Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Dan7373,

Awhile back, after reading on another board of a frequent poster's enjoyable trip there, I went, and asked for the same masseuse he had. I should have known when I walked up and one of the girls outside made a thinly disguised sneer. I should say that I'm tall, fit and clean. I went upstairs with the recommended girl, and despite my attempts at conversation and warmth, she remained cold. She massaged my balls, as advertised, and then asked me if I wanted to finish... for an additional 800 baht. This is a blatant rip off when many massage places give a bj for a tip of 500. I declined and she left, well in advance of the time I had paid for. If you haven't been, Teen Dream is a single shop house near the corner of Soi Buakao, and nothing notable....[/QUOTE]
It sounds like your experience at Teen Massage has not been as good as that of some other guys who have been there. I suspect that the ladies treated you less than well there because you are 'tall, fit and clean'.

I've gotten to know some P4P ladies in Pattaya quite well. And one common theme I've heard from them was that young, tall, fit, clean, and good-looking guys usually didn't pay the ladies well. The more sexy the guy was, the more he tended to treat his encounter with the lady as if he was doing a favor for her. Which meant that he didn't pay her as well as the less good-looking guys paid.

Due to such experiences, many ladies in Pattaya are probably biased against good-looking guys. Which puts you at a disadvantage with these ladies.

One good way to overcome such a disadvantage would be to pay the lady generously in advance. Which is what I usually do. And from my own experience I can say that the lady usually devotes herself well to me, when the money is not a worry for her.

So there's hope for us short, not so handsome and slightly overweight types after all :) Mind you, we all tend to be 'hansum man' so long as the wallet is full.
I look forward to being in Thailand and especially in Pattaya in five weeks time. Not that I'm counting mind . . .

Expatcat

[QUOTE=David 2]....Went back a few days later and had Fret, who is on the website. Fantastic time again. She asked for 1500THB plus the 700THB to the house....

Treat yourself to Dream Teen Massage. You won't regret it.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the information. It sounds like at least some of the ladies there are very good for the horny man to pursue, provided that you pay them well.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]...I suspect that the ladies treated you less than well there because you are 'tall, fit and clean'.

I've gotten to know some P4P ladies in Pattaya quite well. And one common theme I've heard from them was that young, tall, fit, clean, and good-looking guys usually didn't pay the ladies well. The more sexy the guy was, the more he tended to treat his encounter with the lady as if he was doing a favor for her. Which meant that he didn't pay her as well as the less good-looking guys paid.

Due to such experiences, many ladies in Pattaya are probably biased against good-looking guys. Which puts you at a disadvantage with these ladies...[/QUOTE]

(Sigh) ......... I love this place. :D

[QUOTE=Dan7373]

I've gotten to know some P4P ladies in Pattaya quite well. And one common theme I've heard from them was that young, tall, fit, clean, and good-looking guys usually didn't pay the ladies well. The more sexy the guy was, the more he tended to treat his encounter with the lady as if he was doing a favor for her. Which meant that he didn't pay her as well as the less good-looking guys paid.

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I'd agree, but it's usually the newer girls who learn the hard way and go with young good looking guys. Many of these guys get away with low prices or not paying at all (I used to). By the time they are a bit more seasoned, however, the lesson has been learned and they tend to go for the higher bidder.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]And one common theme I've heard from them was that young, tall, fit, clean, and good-looking guys usually didn't pay the ladies well. [/QUOTE]
Some of them are also concerned about undue wear and tear on their moneymakers from the younger guys, especially on overnighters. Most of these girls are NOT impressed when some god's gift to women shags them silly all night long.

This is a slightly differen take on this issue and has to do with it as it applies to regular TGs and relationships with older Farang guys.

It's been my experience that a lot of girls, who might at first go for the young Farang hunk soon get tied of them because these guys, naturally are butterflies, liars and undependable.

While lots of older guys are butterflies and liars, too (I certainly have been in the past), they at least provide security; not just financial security, either but also emotional security.

However, one mustn't have any illusions that the hot TG won't occasionally stray and have a hunk on the side as a Gig. But, in the big picture, she'll usually favour the older guy over the younger and stick with the older guy as the main love in her life.

Oldy,
Well said, You are right on on this!
Yet many DO REMAIN faithful also!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]This is a slightly differen take on this issue and has to do with it as it applies to regular TGs and relationships with older Farang guys.

It's been my experience that a lot of girls, who might at first go for the young Farang hunk soon get tied of them because these guys, naturally are butterflies, liars and undependable.

While lots of older guys are butterflies and liars, too (I certainly have been in the past), they at least provide security; not just financial security, either but also emotional security.

However, one mustn't have any illusions that the hot TG won't occasionally stray and have a hunk on the side as a Gig. But, in the big picture, she'll usually favour the older guy over the younger and stick with the older guy as the main love in her life.[/QUOTE]

reply, reply, reply
i view the forums, and get rtff, then i search, and read schuabling w/ multiple replys. i view the posts
i say ban the words rtfff

[quote=opebo]actually it isn't, is precisely the point - it is socially determined. thai guys have a socialized social climbing/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] fantasy, while farang guys have a porno movie fantasy. it is all cultural. individualism is probably the most overblown concept in human history.





you guys, i just don't get it. the older i get, the lazier i get about getting laid (and everything else), and p4p is much easier than the regular girls. heck, i can hardly stand even the more difficult or uncooperative type of p4p anymore, which leaves only real pros in pattaya and maybe sukhumvitt to get the job done - particularly old tried and true regulars i know will perform and give no touble.

for example - and this is only one example - one would have to learn thai to even begin to pursue these 'non-prostitutes'. my goodness, getting laid is nice, but it certainly isn't worth that much trouble.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...in the big picture, she'll usually favour the older guy over the younger and stick with the older guy as the main love in her life.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I hardly think 'love' is an appropriate term to use for these arrangements!

[QUOTE=Dan7373]I've gotten to know some P4P ladies in Pattaya quite well. And one common theme I've heard from them was that young, tall, fit, clean, and good-looking guys usually didn't pay the ladies well.[/QUOTE]

'Pay the ladies well'? The price in Pattaya is the same for everyone is it not? 500 short time, 1,000 long time.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Haha, I hardly think 'love' is an appropriate term to use for these arrangements!



'Pay the ladies well'? The price in Pattaya is the same for everyone is it not? 500 short time, 1,000 long time.[/QUOTE]
I've found that most (good looking) gals won't go for 500 short anymore. Those days are gone. Too many guys comming here now throwing 1500-2000 short time at these girls. There is still cheap pussy here, don't get me wrong, but it's just not like it used to be. Also, the amount of 18-20 year old babes has dwindled over the years.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]...Also, the amount of 18-20 year old babes has dwindled over the years.[/QUOTE]

Correct! And this means that the size of P4P will continue to shrink, as each succeeding generation of prostitutes is smaller. At the same time the number of mongers of course always goes up, thus we see these huge price increases. It is this demographic reality which dooms us, brothers, even more than the intervention of the Forces of Social Control.

Luckily for me I care more about service than looks or youth, so I've so far avoided the worst of the carnage.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Also, the amount of 18-20 year old babes has dwindled over the years.[/QUOTE]
Over what years are those? There's probably ten times the number of working girls in Pattaya now compared to 20 years ago, and plenty are still 18-20 years old.

[QUOTE=Betong]Over what years are those? There's probably ten times the number of working girls in Pattaya now compared to 20 years ago, and plenty are still 18-20 years old.[/QUOTE]
Last 6 years or so.

[QUOTE=Opebo]
'Pay the ladies well'? The price in Pattaya is the same for everyone is it not? 500 short time, 1,000 long time.[/QUOTE]

It depends. In walking street forget it ! No way you're gonna find a decent girl goin' with you for 500 bath. The only girls available at this price are freelancers on beach road. Beautiful bar girls would charge u a thousand as well (bar fine not included).