Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Jojosun;.

A well balanced Article which doesn't read like an Early End to the war.

[URL]https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/ukraine-russia-war-donbas-uk-european-allies-b1004824.html[/URL]

Main points of concern. "Correspondents being briefed by Whitehall officials last week were surprised to be warned that the UK and United States now expect the fighting in Ukraine to go on to the end of the year".

"Ukrainian forces realise that they are in for a long fight and British strategic analysts now think the war itself and security crisis is set to run for at least three years more".

Conclusion. 'The war has become like firelighter fuel on the flaring cost-of-living emergency affecting the food and energy security of this country. Supporting Ukraine against Russian aggression is now part of the UK's own survival and prosperity. As many in Washington and Whitehall now recognise, this is no longer a discretionary matter". / QUOTE.

As if they are singing from the same hymn sheet about When, How, the war in Ukraine will ene.

Again I will Highlight the main points in this Article by Richard Hass. [URL]https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/2022-06-10/ukraine-strategy-long-haul[/URL].

1. "But wars end in only one of two ways: when one side imposes its will on the other, first on the battlefield, then at the negotiating table, or when both sides embrace a compromise they deem preferable to fighting. In Ukraine, neither scenario is likely to materialize anytime soon. The conflict has become a war of attrition, with Russian and Ukrainian forces now concentrated against each other in a relatively confined area. Diplomatically, the Ukrainians have little interest in accepting Russian occupation of large swaths of their territory. Russian President Vladimir Putin, for his part, has little interest in agreeing to anything that could be judged at home to constitute defeat. The inescapable conclusion, then, is that this war will go on—and on".

2 . "With victory and compromise both off the table for the foreseeable future, the United States and Europe need a strategy for managing an open-ended conflict. "Managing," not "solving," is the operative word here, because a solution almost certainly would require a fundamental change in Moscow's behavior.

3 Conclusion. The solution is in Moscow " Ultimately, what is probably required to end the war is a change not in Washington but in Moscow. In all likelihood, given Putin's deep investment in the war, it will require someone other than him to take steps that would end Russia's pariah status, economic crisis, and military quagmire. The West should make clear that it is ready to reward a new Russian leader prepared to take such steps even as it keeps up the pressure on the current one".

[QUOTE=TravvPlenty of Chairborne warriors, Keyboard Commandoes and Call of Duty Rambos posting on this blog that demand the USA fight Russia. What is needed is a law identifying them and automatically drafting them into an Ukrainian legion unit that needs fresh cannon fodder![/QUOTE]The simple solution would be to supply Ukraine with what it needs most, namely Longer Range Missiles to enable it also to hit targets deep in Russia [URL]https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/02/ukraine-donbas-us-military-aid-long-range-missiles/[/URL].

Well we all know why that want happen! [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/05/ukraine-putin-missiles/[/URL].

'Putin threatens to hit new targets if long-range missiles are sent to Ukraine."

[QUOTE=Jmsuttr;2707650]Germany is going to do what it wants, and Israel is going to do what it wants. But your double-standard, with respect to these two important US allies, speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]What color's the sky where you are?

Hasbara trolls crying about 'double standards'. You can't make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2707804]As the heroes of the Russian Army finish liberating Sievierodonetsk, the Nazis have retreated with their human hostages to the chemical plant, where they will probably stage a false flag attack. Democracy's enemies. The Zelensky junta and their Western backers. Know they are beaten and their tooth to tail ratio says it all. Zelenksy and the other gangsters have made a fortune selling hardware on the Dark Web (one more reason to be careful of air travel).

The hasbara racists here calling Russians orcs should stfu. Ukraine destroyed, Poland is next.[/QUOTE]Interesting news, although you were obviously already aware, that Putin's goons collect his shit and piss whenever he goes abroad.

[URL]https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/vladimir-putins-bodyguards-box-up-his-poo-on-trips-abroad-report/news-story/d547e847accdb70c3b00bf7d9e2544f0[/URL]

Do they freeze-dry it so you can restock your pantry, or do you eat it fresh? Does it concern you that LilliPutin's excrement is probably loaded with cancer cells?

Only thing worse than a psychopath is a paranoid psychopath. Or is that an oxymoron?

P.S. Please tell us, what does orc-shit taste like? Is it a little bit like chicken? And do you take your orc-piss straight up, or with ice?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2707867]What color's the sky where you are?

Hasbara trolls crying about 'double standards'. You can't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]Wow, it must be pretty bare in that anti-Semitic nano-cranium of yours if the best retort you can muster is a parroting of the lame Hasbro Toys insult trademarked by your Putin-loving troll-twin!

Thanks for conclusively demonstrating your intellectual and rhetorical impotence for all to see. I think there's a pill for that. You should check it out. Alas, I'm not aware of any cure for terminal unoriginality.

BTW, the color of the sky today is Jewish. Oops, I mean blue-ish. Is the color of the sky where you are a shade of orc-ish, or maybe a little bigot-ish?

Jojosun,

Amazing post. They need to find a solution. I also feel they need to force Ukraine to negotiate, if they are unwilling, then there needs to be ramification.

Yes, the United States and Europe need a strategy to deal with this ASAP. Start drilling our asses off. I can care less if the oil companies make money, this a much better option then Putin laughing all the way to the bank.

[QUOTE=Jmsuttr;2707698]I've been posting in various forums for a very long time and I keep seeing the mantra about "not feeding the trolls," which I believe is based on a bogus premise.

One way it's flawed is that it presumes that trolls are comprised of a single, homogenous group. There are some who will go away if ignored, but there are plenty who will not.

There are some, IMO, who have a hate-filled agenda and will never go away. Rather they're happy to fill any vacuum with their bile. When I see people being killed on a mass scale, and whole cities turned into piles of rubble, it doesn't put me in a mood to ignore those who gloat about and glorify such evil. So my response is two-fold, expose their lies and humiliate them as much as I possibly can. While they may be attention-seekers, no one likes being made into a laughingstock.

That's my two-cents worth, and I won't be changing my approach. If that doesn't fit your model, feel free to take your own advice and ignore my posts.[/QUOTE]Your defensiveness is unwarranted as I wasn't thinking in terms of any "mantras. " But it does stand to reason that attention seekers will go where they are get it. It takes no keen analysis to figure that one out.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2707867]What color's the sky where you are?

Hasbara trolls crying about 'double standards'. You can't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]Another British has died for Slava Ukraini. Very said [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10908745/British-former-soldier-killed-fighting-frontline-Ukraine.html[/URL].

On the positive side, the weather is good in Kiev and everyone is out enjoying it [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10908575/Ukrainians-flock-beaches-Kyiv-defiance-against-Russian-invasion.html[/URL].

Poland, a staunch ally of the Kiev Nazis, is telling its folk to forage for wood, if they don; t want to freeze next winter. One of my Polak servants tells me the price of coal has more than doubled back home. In a country that is half coal [URL]https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/06/03/poland-encourages-people-to-collect-firewood-in-forests-amid-soaring-energy-costs/[/URL].

Slava Ukraine: Glory hole to Zelenskys bank account. I see this utter lunatic who plays the piano with his weiner is now threatening China over Taiwan. We are being troll led by this degenerate [URL]https://www.laprensalatina.com/zelenskyy-calls-for-diplomatic-preventive-action-for-taiwan/[/URL].

Flash your dick, become a corrupt Ukrainian President.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2707578]US Oil companies are also making record profits--they don't need to charge the American consumer as much as they are. Drilling more now in the USA might also not be a bad idea.[/QUOTE]There is an old adage "the cure for high oil prices is high oil prices".

It's obvious when you break down the logic. High oil prices will encourage more global exploration and production. It does every time. We have lived through these cycles many times. Additionally, I bet sales of big ass trucks and SUVs are slowing down.

A few climate zealots will always proclaim we are running out of oil. It also doesn't help when the USA And Europe are deliberately muting the price signals to produce more gas and oil domestically.

[QUOTE=Travv;2707638]Plenty of Chairborne warriors, Keyboard Commandoes and Call of Duty Rambos posting on this blog that demand the USA fight Russia. What is needed is a law identifying them and automatically drafting them into an Ukrainian legion unit that needs fresh cannon fodder![/QUOTE]This outburst is fallacious on it's face as it attempts to take the focus off the arguments you object to and place it on the personal characters of the persons making them. Yes, if someone comes to my city unprovoked waging war, bombing maternity wards and bread lines I'll take up weapons and defend. I likewise support our allies, the Ukrainians who wish to do the same in their cities. Having an opinion on that doesn't commit one to becoming a professional overseas mercenary, and that especially applies to the AARP members among us. There's thus no hypocrisy involved. Your fallacy is called the tu quoque, which is a take on the ad hominem.

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque[/URL]

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem[/URL]

Go back and try again, and present some arguments as to why you feel Russia is in the right, and why Ukrainians are unworthy of help and / or why the West shouldn't help them. Your buddies could use some help as they are stuck in a loop of refuted arguments and can't seem to find any new material.

[QUOTE=Jmsuttr;2707694]But, hey! You're getting very close to being promoted to a rank equivalent to Pedro M![/QUOTE]How do you know they aren't the same person?

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/11/the-return-of-banditry-russian-car-industry-buckles-under-sanctions[/URL]

Since Putin's propaganda peddlers will always paint a positive picture, it's informative to examine some real-world examples.

The first part of the article deals with automotive issues. The second part talks about aviation and contains a couple of ominous quotes from Russian pilots:

1. "One pilot who regularly covered midhaul flights to the UK and other European destinations for his airline wrote that the situation was "fucked", adding that he felt his company was ignoring safety concerns brought up by pilots on a regular basis."

2. "According to my information, some (Russian) airlines in their warehouses have enough wheels and pads for another month maximum."

The second quote is extremely interesting as, although not terribly sexy, aircraft wheels, brake pads, and similar parts, are constantly experiencing wear and tear, requiring replacement on a routine (maintenance) schedule or on an emergency basis. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a significant incident with a Russian airline (non-missile related) in the near future. Also, as safety concerns rise, will Russian planes be denied certification for landing at airports that are currently open to them (Turkey, China, UAE, etc.)? Just another set of items to add to the Russia Collapse-O-Meter watchlist.

[QUOTE=Jmsuttr;2707698] So my response is two-fold, expose their lies and humiliate them as much as I possibly can. While they may be attention-seekers, no one likes being made into a laughingstock.[/QUOTE]Like I said, keep it up. It makes for some fun reading, but few of these will ever feel humiliated. That's because they have a long list of logical fallacies to fall back on. Probably the most used in monger forums is the ad nauseum or proof by repetition. In this they ignore all rebuttals and repeat the same fallacious arguments over and over. Then they save face in their minds and avoid feeling humiliated.

[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition[/URL]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2707926]I also feel they need to force Ukraine to negotiate, if they are unwilling, then there needs to be ramification.[/QUOTE]Sure, ignore the murderous, rapacious, Z-elephant in the room. What a pathetic piece of work you are. And once again you try to pretend you're being "even-handed" when you're truly anti-Ukraine, right down to your cowardly core.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2707935]Another British has died for Slava Ukraini. Very said [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10908745/British-former-soldier-killed-fighting-frontline-Ukraine.html[/URL].

On the positive side, the weather is good in Kiev and everyone is out enjoying it [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10908575/Ukrainians-flock-beaches-Kyiv-defiance-against-Russian-invasion.html[/URL].

Poland, a staunch ally of the Kiev Nazis, is telling its folk to forage for wood, if they don; t want to freeze next winter. One of my Polak servants tells me the price of coal has more than doubled back home. In a country that is half coal [URL]https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/06/03/poland-encourages-people-to-collect-firewood-in-forests-amid-soaring-energy-costs/[/URL].

Slava Ukraine: Glory hole to Zelenskys bank account. I see this utter lunatic who plays the piano with his weiner is now threatening China over Taiwan. We are being troll led by this degenerate [URL]https://www.laprensalatina.com/zelenskyy-calls-for-diplomatic-preventive-action-for-taiwan/[/URL].

Flash your dick, become a corrupt Ukrainian President.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/two-russian-generals-dead-in-one-day-of-donbas-fighting-report/[/URL]

I wonder what the casualty list would look like if it included officers shot, blown up, or run over, by their own "loyal" Russian troops?

That reminds me, where's Gerasimov? I haven't seen any Putin-propaganda reports about his "victorious" visit to the front lines. You know, the one in which he was wounded and barely escaped with his life. Yes, that one.

And where are the accounts of front line visits by Head Orc Putin? Not even a trip to "friendly" areas? What's up with that?

Maybe there's a critical shortage of Poop-Brigade members? Hey, Pedro M, your services are urgently required!