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[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]I don't agree... might have improved for the eye, but not in substance. Some of the girls are the worst mercenaries I have ever been with. This girls have it easy with the quota they need for the salary: 12 privados as opposed to the Infinito where the quota is 30 privados.
So they go to the quick peso, no quality involved....[/QUOTE]

I realize that because I am comparatively limited with respect to my activities in El Infinito these days, that perhaps my optomism with respect to Givenchy is conveniently embellished for my own reassurance. That realization has occurred to me.

But, I am still interested in hearing the specific details of why you judge it this way, Carlos. Give me some specific examples of why you've formed that conclusion. I don't mean that to sound like a challenge, but I am more interested to know based on your specific attempts with specific girls there rather than generalizations.

That is an interesting observation with respect to the numbers of privados required. But, it would seem to me they would have significantly less incentive to be mercenary, requiring only 12 privados to make salary. If they have it so easy, why would they choose to be mercenary?

It would seem that they would be less mercenary, and provide even better service so as to make as much as they possibly can in the future by providing good service to an established customer base without all the pressure associated with their salida quota, especially after having already earned their salary.

It seems to me that they would not have the pressure that the Infinito girls have to play you along in the privados, thereby skillfully extending the time they take to bring you off, etc...subsequently resulting in more privados for them, and higher prices for you as a consumer of their service.

You know, it occurs to me that most of your activities, Carlos, are generally limited to the services rendered in the clubs, whereas my activities are primarily on salida. So, with respect to the difference in the two kinds of activities, I can see where my own experiences in the privados may not be an accurate assessment within the same context as yours.

I don't do anything in the privados other than to interview the girls. So, in that respect, I suppose I have no direct experience with respect to how the girls might "put-out," and to what extent they may have mercenary attitudes in the privados.

What I have noticed with them is a lesser desire, seemingly, to keep me in the privados as long as the Infinito girls. Maybe it's because I know a lot of the Infinito girls. The girls in El Infinito will do anything to keep you there, talk your ear off, bring you right to the brink and then back off, prolonging their time, playing little games, etc...I speak with respect to my former experience with the Infinito girls because at this juncture, I am relatively inactive there other than to fraternize with my friends from yesteryear, they talking my ear off. :D

I've found that distinction noticeable between the two clubs. But, I consider that kind of activity, delaying you in the privados for as long as possible, to be more mercenary not less. I guess it's all in how you interpret it, and the extent of your satisfaction with them with regard to strictly partaking in privado action.

You may be interpreting some of what you're experiencing from the girls in Givenchy as mercenary, when in reality, it is simply "personality inneptitude" in comparison to the skill level of the girls in El Infinito to charm you. From my perspective, I wouldn't term it mercenary with respect to attitude in Givenchy, just comparative inneptitude.

However, of course, you have more experiences with them than I do, visiting the clubs on a weekly basis. I will admit that you have a wider sampling range from which to draw conclusions, so I don't mean this to sound like I'm contradicting your assessment. Perhaps it's a matter of symantics. I have noticed a difference in the "charm" level, or skill level, of the girls with respect to their enticement abilities. But, the overall, eventual results, for me, have been quite satisfying so far at Givenchy.

I don't say that it's better than El Infinito at this juncture, but I do say that it is improving, and has the potential to eventually become as good. I am strictly making that prediction based on the improvements at the facility itself, and the vastly improved selection in comparison to the Old Givenchy.

I have three instances out of three specific attempts, 3 for 3, that make me optomistic, but admittedly my experience is based on a limited sampling in comparison to yours, and considering the differences in our mongering styles (Salidas versus Privados and in-house services), we might have a different perspective.

I remind you that the sister of Gina from Pasarelas, my "T" girl, the girl I bar fined from Givenchy last time, she was not in any way mercenary with me when she went on salida. She was quite the opposite, very friendly, very affectionate, totally compliant, a little slow in warming up sexually, but not bad, just not to my high standard, but eventually coming to a nice simmer, and a firecracker ending. Remember, as you yourself once said, I have very high, sometimes unrealistic, expectations from the girls I select. So, for me to endorse the girls I've selected from Givenchy, it is no small accomplishment for them.

And, I also took one of the girls into the private room on the trip prior to my last visit. I had literally "unbelievable" service with that one, uncharacteristic service, animalistic, affectionate beyond belief, totally uninhibited, absolutely no holding back, almost a "G" girl level of attention. No mercenary attitude there.

However, as I previously mentioned, in the private room, there is a push to sell drinks, but they're no worse at pushing them than in any of the other clubs, and the drinks are cheap, 50 pesos. They will drink about one every 15-20 minutes. That isn't out of the ordinary, certainly not mercenary.

I have a third one in Givenchy that will not go on salida, but she will go into the private room, a real sweetheart too. She is kind of a cross between my "G" girl in looks, but possibly just a little bigger...not much...perfectly acceptable. I showed her to you last time I was there. I am going to take her for a spin in the private room on my next trip...maybe the big private room this time :D

I did run into the "she-husband" to WastedG's "X" girl, and yes, she IS a mercenary. But, I recognized it in her immediately, and held her to only one privado. But, there are many of the same just like her in El Infinito, verdad?

You must admit, regardless of your own experiences with mercenary attitude, in comparison to the old Givenchy, the new Givenchy is worlds apart.

Remember, I was surprised when I found you gawking at the possibilities in Givenchy the last time I was in town, the night I was feeling under the weather, and we ended up over at Tangalay together.

You are at least looking at the prospects in the New Givenchy. I don't ever remember you making the effort in the Old Givenchy in the past. I don't think I ever ran into you in the old Givenchy, NOT IN OVER FIVE YEARS...It was so uncharacteristic to find you in Givenchy, that it was akin to finding you in La Cava with Porker. So, there must be something to it!

Givenchy is a different kind of fraternity than that of the Infinito due to the kind of customers that go to the club.

You might notice the girls, I notice the whole package deal and the level of customers there is different in the sense that the Givenchy clients are apt to drink more than their counterparts at the Infinito and spend less on girls.

Being this, the girls at Givenchy can expect less income and this is true, cause the customers expect oral or even FS from just a couple of privados, no payment for extras.

So the girls might get only the salary (400 pesos) and a the commision for the 12 privados (300 pesos), totaling 700 pesos average for the girls per day. This kind of girls do not expect more but do expect less some days.

If they expected more, willing to get more and capable to get more, they would be working at the Infinito, not the Givenchy.
As simple as that.
You yourself have pointed out this in your post: "What I have noticed with them is a lesser desire, seemingly, to keep me in the privados as long as the Infinito girls. Maybe it's because I know a lot of the Infinito girls. The girls in El Infinito will do anything to keep you there, talk your ear off, bring you right to the brink and then back off, prolonging their time, playing little games, etc"

Again, I didn't like the setup of the old Givenchy, I like the new Givenchy.
But that allows me to see the girls from different advantage points.

Of the 4 girls I've tried, 2 are married, one is living with one of the Givenchy's security guards and the 4th had a boyfriend that didn't want to see her working.

Why do I know this? Cause they spilled it out on the spot.
When have we heard the Infinito girls talking about this when you set foot for the first time in a privado? never, cause they are more pro-ish.

And yes, I get my references from inclub experiences, I am not willing to spend on drama queens, Oscar winning actresses or plain old "she just laid there" girls.

And of course I see the girls outside the clubs. Thing is when any of you guys are in town I just tell them "sorry girl, got friends to go around with and friends come in first".






[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I realize that because I am comparatively limited with respect to my activities in El Infinito these days, that perhaps my optomism with respect to Givenchy is conveniently embellished for my own reassurance. That realization has occurred to me.

But, I am still interested in hearing the specific details of why you judge it this way, Carlos. Give me some specific examples of why you've formed that conclusion. I don't mean that to sound like a challenge, but I am more interested to know based on your specific attempts with specific girls there rather than generalizations.

That is an interesting observation with respect to the numbers of privados required. But, it would seem to me they would have significantly less incentive to be mercenary, requiring only 12 privados to make salary. If they have it so easy, why would they choose to be mercenary?

It would seem that they would be less mercenary, and provide even better service so as to make as much as they possibly can in the future by providing good service to an established customer base without all the pressure associated with their salida quota, especially after having already earned their salary.

It seems to me that they would not have the pressure that the Infinito girls have to play you along in the privados, thereby skillfully extending the time they take to bring you off, etc...subsequently resulting in more privados for them, and higher prices for you as a consumer of their service.

You know, it occurs to me that most of your activities, Carlos, are generally limited to the services rendered in the clubs, whereas my activities are primarily on salida. So, with respect to the difference in the two kinds of activities, I can see where my own experiences in the privados may not be an accurate assessment within the same context as yours.

I don't do anything in the privados other than to interview the girls. So, in that respect, I suppose I have no direct experience with respect to how the girls might "put-out," and to what extent they may have mercenary attitudes in the privados.

What I have noticed with them is a lesser desire, seemingly, to keep me in the privados as long as the Infinito girls. Maybe it's because I know a lot of the Infinito girls. The girls in El Infinito will do anything to keep you there, talk your ear off, bring you right to the brink and then back off, prolonging their time, playing little games, etc...I speak with respect to my former experience with the Infinito girls because at this juncture, I am relatively inactive there other than to fraternize with my friends from yesteryear, they talking my ear off. :D

I've found that distinction noticeable between the two clubs. But, I consider that kind of activity, delaying you in the privados for as long as possible, to be more mercenary not less. I guess it's all in how you interpret it, and the extent of your satisfaction with them with regard to strictly partaking in privado action.

You may be interpreting some of what you're experiencing from the girls in Givenchy as mercenary, when in reality, it is simply "personality inneptitude" in comparison to the skill level of the girls in El Infinito to charm you. From my perspective, I wouldn't term it mercenary with respect to attitude in Givenchy, just comparative inneptitude.

However, of course, you have more experiences with them than I do, visiting the clubs on a weekly basis. I will admit that you have a wider sampling range from which to draw conclusions, so I don't mean this to sound like I'm contradicting your assessment. Perhaps it's a matter of symantics. I have noticed a difference in the "charm" level, or skill level, of the girls with respect to their enticement abilities. But, the overall, eventual results, for me, have been quite satisfying so far at Givenchy.

I don't say that it's better than El Infinito at this juncture, but I do say that it is improving, and has the potential to eventually become as good. I am strictly making that prediction based on the improvements at the facility itself, and the vastly improved selection in comparison to the Old Givenchy.

I have three instances out of three specific attempts, 3 for 3, that make me optomistic, but admittedly my experience is based on a limited sampling in comparison to yours, and considering the differences in our mongering styles (Salidas versus Privados and in-house services), we might have a different perspective.

I remind you that the sister of Gina from Pasarelas, my "T" girl, the girl I bar fined from Givenchy last time, she was not in any way mercenary with me when she went on salida. She was quite the opposite, very friendly, very affectionate, totally compliant, a little slow in warming up sexually, but not bad, just not to my high standard, but eventually coming to a nice simmer, and a firecracker ending. Remember, as you yourself once said, I have very high, sometimes unrealistic, expectations from the girls I select. So, for me to endorse the girls I've selected from Givenchy, it is no small accomplishment for them.

And, I also took one of the girls into the private room on the trip prior to my last visit. I had literally "unbelievable" service with that one, uncharacteristic service, animalistic, affectionate beyond belief, totally uninhibited, absolutely no holding back, almost a "G" girl level of attention. No mercenary attitude there.

However, as I previously mentioned, in the private room, there is a push to sell drinks, but they're no worse at pushing them than in any of the other clubs, and the drinks are cheap, 50 pesos. They will drink about one every 15-20 minutes. That isn't out of the ordinary, certainly not mercenary.

I have a third one in Givenchy that will not go on salida, but she will go into the private room, a real sweetheart too. She is kind of a cross between my "G" girl in looks, but possibly just a little bigger...not much...perfectly acceptable. I showed her to you last time I was there. I am going to take her for a spin in the private room on my next trip...maybe the big private room this time :D

I did run into the "she-husband" to WastedG's "X" girl, and yes, she IS a mercenary. But, I recognized it in her immediately, and held her to only one privado. But, there are many of the same just like her in El Infinito, verdad?

You must admit, regardless of your own experiences with mercenary attitude, in comparison to the old Givenchy, the new Givenchy is worlds apart.

Remember, I was surprised when I found you gawking at the possibilities in Givenchy the last time I was in town, the night I was feeling under the weather, and we ended up over at Tangalay together.

You are at least looking at the prospects in the New Givenchy. I don't ever remember you making the effort in the Old Givenchy in the past. I don't think I ever ran into you in the old Givenchy, NOT IN OVER FIVE YEARS...It was so uncharacteristic to find you in Givenchy, that it was akin to finding you in La Cava with Porker. So, there must be something to it![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Givenchy is a different kind of fraternity than that of the Infinito due to the kind of customers that go to the club.[/QUOTE]

It would seem then, based on your assessment, that I should be able to get the the girls to go on salida cheaper than what the girls will agree to at El Infinito, simply because the girls earn less at Givenchy than the girls earn while on duty at El Infinito. But, so far, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Armed with your assessment in the back of my mind, I plan to employ a slightly different approach to see if your theories might also have a direct effect on the pricing charged for salidas. Theoretically, knowing what they typically make in an entire shift is invaluable in also formulating strategy with respect to their motivation to go on salida for less.

Based on your assessment, I should be able to routinely get the girls away from Givenchy for as little as 500-700 pesos, plus the bar fine, and possibly even arrange meeting them at times when they are off work, when I will not even have to pay a bar fine, all for between 500-700 pesos inclusive.

To further substantiate your point of view, I have, in the past, from the Old Givenchy, been able to get them for comparatively less than from El Infinito, and including even the girls at El Cielo as well, with it usually costing between 600-800 pesos, plus the bar fine, and in one instance, even getting one to meet me for as little as 350 pesos after work, no bar fine.

However, the pricing quoted to me by the girls at the new Givenchy seems to be on par with El Infinito these days, more expensive than before, and possibly, depending on the girl, sometimes even slightly more expensive than what I can normally negotiate at El Infinito for a two hour salida.

That's why I find your assessment interesting. I plan to test it with much more thoroughness next time I'm in town.

That might be cause you are $U$B$
They see you as a gulible gringo.... they don't see you as a guy that knows his way around both Givenchy and Infinito.
Am sure once they start quoting prices and you bringing them down, they'll know you know...



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]It would seem then, based on your assessment, that I should be able to get the the girls to go on salida cheaper than what the girls will agree to at El Infinito, simply because the girls earn less at Givenchy than the girls earn while on duty at El Infinito. But, so far, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Armed with your assessment in the back of my mind, I plan to employ a slightly different approach to see if your theories might also have a direct effect on the pricing charged for salidas. Theoretically, knowing what they typically make in an entire shift is invaluable in also formulating strategy with respect to their motivation to go on salida for less.

Based on your assessment, I should be able to routinely get the girls away from Givenchy for as little as 500-700 pesos, plus the bar fine, and possibly even arrange meeting them at times when they are off work, when I will not even have to pay a bar fine, all for between 500-700 pesos inclusive.

To further substantiate your point of view, I have, in the past, from the Old Givenchy, been able to get them for comparatively less than from El Infinito, and including even the girls at El Cielo as well, with it usually costing between 600-800 pesos, plus the bar fine, and in one instance, even getting one to meet me for as little as 350 pesos after work, no bar fine.

However, the pricing quoted to me by the girls at the new Givenchy seems to be on par with El Infinito these days, more expensive than before, and possibly, depending on the girl, sometimes even slightly more expensive than what I can normally negotiate at El Infinito for a two hour salida.

That's why I find your assessment interesting. I plan to test it with much more thoroughness next time I'm in town.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]That might be cause you are $U$B$
They see you as a gulible gringo.... they don't see you as a guy that knows his way around both Givenchy and Infinito.
Am sure once they start quoting prices and you bringing them down, they'll know you know...[/QUOTE]


Agreed...a few of the Givenchy girls know me, in the sense that they have seen me around, and they know I am harmless. But, few of them know me like the Infinito girls know me, the later realizing that I was there before they were born :D

USB: I've been to Givenchy a couple of times and I haven't seen anyone that resambles Laisha (Pasarelas name), Gina's sister.

Are you sure she is around?
I have to point out that Laisha is older than Gina and we are talking 3 and a half years, almost 4... as I recall Gina was 19-20 and Laisha was 22-23.

Are you dealing with a 26 year old????



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I realize that because I am comparatively limited with respect to my activities in El Infinito these days, that perhaps my optomism with respect to Givenchy is conveniently embellished for my own reassurance. That realization has occurred to me.

But, I am still interested in hearing the specific details of why you judge it this way, Carlos. Give me some specific examples of why you've formed that conclusion. I don't mean that to sound like a challenge, but I am more interested to know based on your specific attempts with specific girls there rather than generalizations.

That is an interesting observation with respect to the numbers of privados required. But, it would seem to me they would have significantly less incentive to be mercenary, requiring only 12 privados to make salary. If they have it so easy, why would they choose to be mercenary?

It would seem that they would be less mercenary, and provide even better service so as to make as much as they possibly can in the future by providing good service to an established customer base without all the pressure associated with their salida quota, especially after having already earned their salary.

It seems to me that they would not have the pressure that the Infinito girls have to play you along in the privados, thereby skillfully extending the time they take to bring you off, etc...subsequently resulting in more privados for them, and higher prices for you as a consumer of their service.

You know, it occurs to me that most of your activities, Carlos, are generally limited to the services rendered in the clubs, whereas my activities are primarily on salida. So, with respect to the difference in the two kinds of activities, I can see where my own experiences in the privados may not be an accurate assessment within the same context as yours.

I don't do anything in the privados other than to interview the girls. So, in that respect, I suppose I have no direct experience with respect to how the girls might "put-out," and to what extent they may have mercenary attitudes in the privados.

What I have noticed with them is a lesser desire, seemingly, to keep me in the privados as long as the Infinito girls. Maybe it's because I know a lot of the Infinito girls. The girls in El Infinito will do anything to keep you there, talk your ear off, bring you right to the brink and then back off, prolonging their time, playing little games, etc...I speak with respect to my former experience with the Infinito girls because at this juncture, I am relatively inactive there other than to fraternize with my friends from yesteryear, they talking my ear off. :D

I've found that distinction noticeable between the two clubs. But, I consider that kind of activity, delaying you in the privados for as long as possible, to be more mercenary not less. I guess it's all in how you interpret it, and the extent of your satisfaction with them with regard to strictly partaking in privado action.

You may be interpreting some of what you're experiencing from the girls in Givenchy as mercenary, when in reality, it is simply "personality inneptitude" in comparison to the skill level of the girls in El Infinito to charm you. From my perspective, I wouldn't term it mercenary with respect to attitude in Givenchy, just comparative inneptitude.

However, of course, you have more experiences with them than I do, visiting the clubs on a weekly basis. I will admit that you have a wider sampling range from which to draw conclusions, so I don't mean this to sound like I'm contradicting your assessment. Perhaps it's a matter of symantics. I have noticed a difference in the "charm" level, or skill level, of the girls with respect to their enticement abilities. But, the overall, eventual results, for me, have been quite satisfying so far at Givenchy.

I don't say that it's better than El Infinito at this juncture, but I do say that it is improving, and has the potential to eventually become as good. I am strictly making that prediction based on the improvements at the facility itself, and the vastly improved selection in comparison to the Old Givenchy.

I have three instances out of three specific attempts, 3 for 3, that make me optomistic, but admittedly my experience is based on a limited sampling in comparison to yours, and considering the differences in our mongering styles (Salidas versus Privados and in-house services), we might have a different perspective.

I remind you that the sister of Gina from Pasarelas, my "T" girl, the girl I bar fined from Givenchy last time, she was not in any way mercenary with me when she went on salida. She was quite the opposite, very friendly, very affectionate, totally compliant, a little slow in warming up sexually, but not bad, just not to my high standard, but eventually coming to a nice simmer, and a firecracker ending. Remember, as you yourself once said, I have very high, sometimes unrealistic, expectations from the girls I select. So, for me to endorse the girls I've selected from Givenchy, it is no small accomplishment for them.

And, I also took one of the girls into the private room on the trip prior to my last visit. I had literally "unbelievable" service with that one, uncharacteristic service, animalistic, affectionate beyond belief, totally uninhibited, absolutely no holding back, almost a "G" girl level of attention. No mercenary attitude there.

However, as I previously mentioned, in the private room, there is a push to sell drinks, but they're no worse at pushing them than in any of the other clubs, and the drinks are cheap, 50 pesos. They will drink about one every 15-20 minutes. That isn't out of the ordinary, certainly not mercenary.

I have a third one in Givenchy that will not go on salida, but she will go into the private room, a real sweetheart too. She is kind of a cross between my "G" girl in looks, but possibly just a little bigger...not much...perfectly acceptable. I showed her to you last time I was there. I am going to take her for a spin in the private room on my next trip...maybe the big private room this time :D

I did run into the "she-husband" to WastedG's "X" girl, and yes, she IS a mercenary. But, I recognized it in her immediately, and held her to only one privado. But, there are many of the same just like her in El Infinito, verdad?

You must admit, regardless of your own experiences with mercenary attitude, in comparison to the old Givenchy, the new Givenchy is worlds apart.

Remember, I was surprised when I found you gawking at the possibilities in Givenchy the last time I was in town, the night I was feeling under the weather, and we ended up over at Tangalay together.

You are at least looking at the prospects in the New Givenchy. I don't ever remember you making the effort in the Old Givenchy in the past. I don't think I ever ran into you in the old Givenchy, NOT IN OVER FIVE YEARS...It was so uncharacteristic to find you in Givenchy, that it was akin to finding you in La Cava with Porker. So, there must be something to it![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]USB: I've been to Givenchy a couple of times and I haven't seen anyone that resambles Laisha (Pasarelas name), Gina's sister.

Are you sure she is around?
I have to point out that Laisha is older than Gina and we are talking 3 and a half years, almost 4... as I recall Gina was 19-20 and Laisha was 22-23.

Are you dealing with a 26 year old????[/QUOTE]

It is quite possible that I am dealing with a 26 year old girl. You know how we have always talked about the older girls having a changed attitude. This one has "our" proper attitude, which really gives her away as being a little older than she was originally telling me. She has just a little wrinkled laugh line here or there, around the eyes, at the corners of the mouth, etc...still attractive, but it gives her away, meaning she is probably a little older than she told me, which if I remember correctly, she said she was 24. Of course, most of them like to shave a few years off of reality, so that would make her possibly 26. She was still also dealing with some acne, maybe it was caused by the makeup to a certain extent, or, even at 26 it is still something of an issue for them. It should be starting to clear up naturally. I have all but forgotten what it's like to be 26...perhaps my memory fades in my old age :D

She claims she is the sister to Gina. I have not seen her working at Givenchy before last month. And, when I looked for her on subsequent nights last month, she was not there. She was working the night shft, so you'll need to look for her later in the evening. I think it could very well be Laisha. I don't really know how she would have been so aware of where I was staying a few years ago otherwise, or that she would have specifically named Gina to me as my girlfriend from Pasarelas a couple of years ago. I did bring Gina back to the Best Western at Galeana about three years ago, but for the life of me, I don't remember doing it with Laisha. I'll send you her stage name at Givenchy via PM in case you want to look for her, along with her phone number. Maybe you can find out when she is working next and arrange to say hello to her for me, or you, or whomever. Maybe you can ask around to the waiters and find out if she's just a weekend warrior or if she's in there more frequently. When I looked for her again later in the week last month, she was not there. But, honestly, with my "G" girl with me each night, I am not really sure I spent the amount of time I would normally have spent trying to find her again, plus I had that terrible cold too. But, remember, she wasn't there on Thursday night when the two of us were there together later in the evening, the same night we left to go to Tangalay too. And, I had talked to her by phone earlier in the week, intending to meet her again, but my "G" girl finally came into the picture and there was no need. So, point being, I know Laisha's cell phone number is good and that it works.

I think she was pretty decent as a bar fine. I don't really feel like she is particularly "special" to me, at least not yet, not in the same sense as I have always protected my favorites. So, you are hereby free to molest her at will, not that you require my permission, but I know you are a good dude..."G" has told me of your concern for me, and your respect for my feelings. Although, I will probably regret giving Laisha to you because she did show very definite promise, and I believe she could be molded into a pretty good bar fine, a candidate for my own personal stash if I could solicit just a little more from her in proper response.

Actually too, in contrast to Gina, her attitude was not mercenary in the least with me. So, maybe the years are catching up to her. Afterall, one of the most mercenary of all time, Cindy #1, has turned over a new leaf with me lately, choosing instead to play along with all my little idiosyncrasies. Just another testimonial that they all have to come down off their pedestal sometime, and meet reality as their age progresses, becoming fatter, ugly, or both.

Don't misunderstand, Laisha was a good bar fine, but there were just a few adjustments that I would have to make to propel her to stardom according to the USB "Asia Girl" standard of performance. Unrealistic??? A sometimes Frustating Endeavor on my part? YES! Unsually Disappointing??? Perhaps!
But it keeps life in MTY interesting. :D

Hi everyone,

I have read pages and pages of this Monterrey forum but did not find a list of GF hotels. I am looking for something close to the barrio antigua, price doesn't matter. I was thinking Crown Plaza, but the only hotel comment I found was about this hotel, and said it was NOT GF. Can you help?

Thanks!

GF hotels near the Barrio Antiguo will only be the Sheraton Ambassador.
No more.
The CP, the Radisson Ancira have very tight security. No visitors to the rooms.
Someone told me that the HoJo may permit girls inside but not always...




[QUOTE=Affligem]Hi everyone,

I have read pages and pages of this Monterrey forum but did not find a list of GF hotels. I am looking for something close to the barrio antigua, price doesn't matter. I was thinking Crown Plaza, but the only hotel comment I found was about this hotel, and said it was NOT GF. Can you help?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]GF hotels near the Barrio Antiguo will only be the Sheraton Ambassador.
No more.
The CP, the Radisson Ancira have very tight security. No visitors to the rooms.
Someone told me that the HoJo may permit girls inside but not always...[/QUOTE]


There are only a few girl friendly hotels in all of MTY, and as Carlos indicated, most, 99.9%, of the luxury hotels DO NOT permit girls. The Barrio is a little out of your way with respect to being logistically close to ground zero and the clubs. If you have the option, and you want a good girlfriendly hotel, cheaper, and of course, more austere, but relatively comfortable for mongering sake, you can stay at Plaza Del Arco, located at Madero and Pino Suarez. It is within walking distance of the hotels, or about a 2 minute cab ride. They are totally girl friendly. If you stay near Barrio Antiguo, you will be about 15 minutes by taxi, depending on traffic, from ground zero and the clubs. Check my report in the Reports of Distinction section for additional logistical information, the one posted by Prokofiev. There may even be some information on GF hotels, but there aren't many to be had.

Thanks for the hotel info, so only the Sheraton is an option it seems. I prefer to be close to the barrio antigua. Is renting an apartment for 4-5 days an option?

Thanks again!

The only one I know that offers suites by the day or week is this one:

[url]http://www.dioh.com/suites/index.htm[/url]

Check it out.
By the way, did you get my maps Affligem???


[QUOTE=Affligem]Thanks for the hotel info, so only the Sheraton is an option it seems. I prefer to be close to the barrio antigua. Is renting an apartment for 4-5 days an option?

Thanks again![/QUOTE]

Every year, on November 1st (All Saints Day) and 2nd (All Souls Day), something unique takes place in many areas of Mexico: Day of the Dead festivities. While it's strange for most of us to accept the fact that "death" and "festivities" can go hand-in-hand, for most Mexicans, the two are intricately entwined. This all stems from the ancient indigenous peoples of Mexico (Purepecha, Nahua, Totonac and Otomí) who believed that the souls of the dead return each year to visit with their living relatives - to eat, drink and be merry. Just like they did when they were living.

Día de los Muertos - It sounds so mysterious, Mexico's celebration for when dead relatives, both young and old, are allowed to return to the mortal world for two days to visit loved ones. Spirits coming down and walking among the living, sampling earthly treats and joining in the festival ... it sounds like a merry version of our Halloween holiday.

But instead of scarry goblins and blood curdling shrieks, the people in Mexico welcome the spirits of their families with the delicious smell of food in the air, tasty candies decorated like skulls, and lighted candles to guide them home again. Gravestones are decorated, and the whole family will gather in the graveyard to await and pay respects to the deceased.

[url]http://www.mexonline.com/dayofthedead.htm[/url]

Wasted

Haven't read much here for awhile, behind on my homework, but some stuff:

Drink prices: YOUR beer will usually cost between $1.75 and 3 bucks, with the average at the mid-range clubs 2 bucks or less. Ladies' drinks range from 5-15 bucks usually. Be careful in the "higher class" places because girls often are brought a double drink whether you or the girl asked for it or not. Most customers are extreme pussies and won't say a word about this because they don't want their high-class prostitute to think they are cheap. These same guys almost NEVER get laid by those girls.

Sex prices: You can get laid in the massage places for 150-300 pesos. The sex ranges from average to bad. But for some here that are RAH RAH MTY, it surely IS a much better value than what you can get in the States. Sex in the truly private dances (not those conducted in a semi-private area like the medium-priced ripoff places specialize in) can be had from 20-30 bucks plus the cost of the privados. The girls you will find in even the lower end strip clubs can be quite attractive. USB has done a great job of talking about the costs of his "salidas" from the strip clubs. If you are willing to spend it, 150 bucks will get you some good GFE in MTY with a pretty hot girl.

Thanks to all of the guys here for keeping up their posts.

Re: Wasted's comment about MTY girls becoming "hardened pros", it all depends on your perspective. I'd bet most wouldn't seem that way to someone used to dropping 300-500 USD a day, but to ME, they make Asian girls look like altruistic SAINTS.

Re: girl friendly hotels, andybody ever stay at the Holiday Inn Express? With their parking lot setup, seems like it's be easy to get a girl to one's room without the front desk knowing anything. Of course, maybe they have parking lot security extorting bribes -- I've never stayed there, so I don't know.

After spending four days in Cancun with my GF, it was readily apparant after one strip club encounter the value Monterrey represents. 250 pesos for one partially-clothed privada and 3000 pesos for a one-shot F/S from about a seven. And it didn't get much better in Cozumel Isla. 2000 pesos for a gorda chica F/S accompanied by 40 pesos cervezas. I have no idea what the copa dama prices were and did not care to inquire. Absolutely unbelievable.

On the other hand, the local economy is poor. Rents there are 3000-3500 pesos for a 200 meter townhouse in a good neighborhood a little more than five miles from the action. It appeared to me that only some of the clubs/hotels are profitable and the rest barely making it if that due to overbuilding. The one I stayed at was in BK. Waiters in the non-corporate restaurants standing outside almost begging for business. My experiance is that Cancun could provide a good opportunity for non-pro GFE but absolutely atrocious for P4P.