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[QUOTE=Panya]I have always wondered about the results that you can get from these sites. I had signed up for Adult Friend Finder, but never went all the way to pay the fees to become a full-time member.[/QUOTE]What's the score with AFF? I mean they're professionals, right? This might sound incredibly naive but somehow the idea that there really are so many Indonesian nymphomaniacs who just want to have big white c*cks shoved up their a$$es for free seems a little doubtful. Has anyone had any experience with that site?

I would recommend Love Happens however, they are for the most part regular girls and with a little bit of time and patience you can meet up with some great girls, I've had three or four by that route and it's been very rewarding.

Ambassador mall rules. Went up to the 2nd floor passageway and there it was. They have serious variety of sex toys. And a sweet girl there too (I told her I would let her use my new toy if she would give me a discount. She didn't bite). Notably also tried to sell me Vitamin V and cialis. And also some weird thing in abottle (with Chinese writing). My Indonesian is not lancar enough. But she said that you mix it in water and give it to the girl. And 10 minutes later something happens. I was fearful and didn't think about it. But am wondering now. Anyone has a clue?

Thanks everyone. This is truly a convenient discovery.

[QUOTE=Jakboy]Ambassador mall rules. Went up to the 2nd floor passageway and there it was. They have serious variety of sex toys. And a sweet girl there too (I told her I would let her use my new toy if she would give me a discount. She didn't bite). Notably also tried to sell me Vitamin V and cialis. [/QUOTE]

How could I forget that! You´re right! The owner is a Menadonese guy and he has this small shops at both ends of the passageway to and from ITC Kuningan. However I have my doubts about the quality of the Cialis they sell. I bought 4 pills once and none of them served me :(


DORMAN

Nice to see you back! I mentioned the quality of those vitamin C pills in that different Forum. How are you progressing with the stray-pussies-to-be?

[QUOTE=Dorman]What's the score with AFF? I mean they're professionals, right? This might sound incredibly naive but somehow the idea that there really are so many Indonesian nymphomaniacs who just want to have big white c*cks shoved up their a$$es for free seems a little doubtful. Has anyone had any experience with that site?

I would recommend Love Happens however, they are for the most part regular girls and with a little bit of time and patience you can meet up with some great girls, I've had three or four by that route and it's been very rewarding.[/QUOTE]I've never tried Love Happens, but from what you say it sounds very much like AFF. There are very very few professionals on AFF and those that do trade there are pretty obvious. The codeword is "generous": those looking for "generous" guys are usually looking to be fucked for cash.

Much has been written on this site about "freebies". Well most girls on AFF are freebies in the sense that they are not going to ask you for a fee. But they're mostly hoping for a little material gain out of the relationship. It could be just taxi money, or it's that they're hoping to go to the kind of places (discos, restaurants, bars etc etc) that they couldn't possibly afford themselves. You know the story. Ranges from out and out gold diggers to simple office girls looking for some fun. They want some "jalan jalan" fun and they want to fucked by someone exotic who doesn't treat them like shit.

I've fucked so many sweet fucklets through AFF and most are looking for something like this. And some are hoping for the man of their dreams to appear. There's a sub-culture of girls in Jakarta who only ever fuck bules because they've got the cash, the status and because "they know how to treat a lady". Many have told me how they got sick of fucking Indon guys because the Indons act like spoilt sultans and know nothing about how to pleasure a woman (stick it in and cum.).

They also like bules because they have no family connections that start gossip about their fucking around. With Indon guys, the story usually gets out, their parents hear about it, and they're in the shit. With bules you can be anonymous. And well fed and well fucked.

[QUOTE=Mangga]With bules you can be anonymous...[/QUOTE]

Actually, any indonesian girl seen with a bule is normally immediately branded as a girl of ill repute. I doubt being anonymous has much to do with it unless you are having these girls go directly to your hotel room without going out in public with them.

[QUOTE=Smoothy] unless you are having these girls go directly to your hotel room without going out in public with them.[/QUOTE]
Usually thats exactly my way, also last weekend in JKT.
Several messages in the taxi from the airport, some final txt after check-in with room number and the weekend is going. Some money change hands in the room, the girl comes and leaves alone.
For dinner and some drinks I prefer to go alone, same as for breakfast.
It's fine with the ladies, at least for the girls I am with.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Mangga]I've never tried Love Happens, but from what you say it sounds very much like AFF. There are very very be fucked for cash.

Much has been written on this site about "freebies". Well most girls on AFF are freebies in the sense that they are not going to ask you for a fee. But they're mostly hoping for a little material gain out of the relationship. It could be just taxi money, or it's that they're hoping to go to the kind of places (discos, restaurants, bars etc etc) that they couldn't possibly afford themselves. You know the story....ranges from out and out gold diggers to simple office girls looking for some fun. They want some "jalan jalan" fun and they want to fucked by someone exotic who doesn't treat them like shit.

I've fucked so many sweet fucklets through AFF and most are looking for something like this. And some are hoping for the man of their dreams to appear. There's a sub-culture of girls in Jakarta who only ever fuck bules because they've got the cash, the status and because "they know how to treat a lady". Many have told me how they got sick of fucking Indon guys because the Indons act like spoilt sultans and know nothing about how to pleasure a woman (stick it in and cum...).

They also like bules because they have no family connections that start gossip about their fucking around. With Indon guys, the story usually gets out, their parents hear about it, and they're in the shit. With bules you can be anonymous...and well fed and well fucked.[/QUOTE]Mangga,

Question for you regarding AFF:

Apart from the chicks with the "generous" passcode, are the other ones almost guaranteed fucks or what? Certainly the pictures are pretty graphic so the impression I have is that they are really looking for a shag hence it's almost guaranteed fuck.

Am I correct or wrong?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=Menteng]How are you progressing with the stray-pussies-to-be?[/QUOTE]Not much to report on that front, I'm involved with one or two ladies I met on the 'net (see below) and given that my time is limited I have to stick to the certainties and as you know those other ladies are far from that (at least the ones I am interested in). Maybe see you again when you're back in town.

[QUOTE=Mandiri]Mangga,

Question for you regarding AFF:

Apart from the chicks with the "generous" passcode, are the other ones almost guaranteed fucks or what? Certainly the pictures are pretty graphic so the impression I have is that they are really looking for a shag hence it's almost guaranteed fuck.

Am I correct or wrong?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]

Mandiri,

It all depends.... You need to read each girl's profile and read between the lines.

Some girls are are just total fuck bunnies who will say as much in their profiles - 100% certainty of a fuck. I've had plenty of fucklets who will come to your door after one or two email/text exchanges. You fuck them stupid, they leave and you never see them again.

At the other extreme are those looking for steady boyfriends or even husbands and will only fuck one guy after a lot of picking and choosing. You can usually tell from their profile. I've made contact with one or two like that, but never got beyond a few text exchanges because it was clear we weren't looking for the same thing.

Then there are the hundreds in between that are looking for some combination of sexual frolics, a good time/good night out and a connection or relationship of some kind. The chances of a fuck with the girlies in this category is pretty close to 100%, but they may take a bit of time and effort to woo. But not a lot.... I can't think of many that I haven't fucked in the first meeting. The wooing usually only has to happen by email and/or text.

With girlies like this it pretty much up to you what happens next. I've had plenty of sweeties who I've fucked a few times, then decided to end it at that. Others have been continuing friendships/fuckships that have lasted a long time. I even seriously considered tying the knot with one, and met her family etc...until sanity prevailed. I've really struck gold recently, because I hooked up with a girl who not only fucked me but has continued to pass on horny sex bunnies to me who want to bedded by a bule. But that only happened after three years of playing on the site.

Which brings me to the final, and critical, point.....time. AFF takes time. It's not like going to Blok M or Kota, drooling over some 18 year old, waving to her and taking her away to fuck. The ratio of guys to girls on AFF must 10 to 1 at best. That means that a young attractive fucklet with photos of herself with legs spread sucking some bule's cock is going to get about a million messages a day.

You have to send a lot of messages and put some effort in. Lots of girls tell me they get so bored with fat bules who send messages like "Hi, wanna meet for a good time?". They delete a hundred a day like that.

So AFF is good for resident bules or visitors who do their homework before they come. If your time is limited, or you just can't be bothered with wooing, go to Blok M or Kota and you'll get what you want. And it could even be cheaper than a "freebie" in the long run. Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya choice....

And you have to be a paying member of AFF, because the girls sure won't be. The girls won't come to you, you have to seek them out.

[QUOTE=Mandiri]Mangga,

Question for you regarding AFF:

Apart from the chicks with the "generous" passcode, are the other ones almost guaranteed fucks or what? Certainly the pictures are pretty graphic so the impression I have is that they are really looking for a shag hence it's almost guaranteed fuck.

Am I correct or wrong?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]

Sorry if the preceding essay was too long. To cut a long story short - if you manage to get a AFF girlie to meet you somewhere, you've almost got her in bed. If you get her across the threshold of your apartment or hotel make sure you've got condoms in the bedside drawer....

[QUOTE=Rainman 2108]It's not a KTV but just dance club.

The rich sit and drink with the girls in Bikini.... Music very loud though....

Place is somewhere in Permata Hijia...

Cheers[/QUOTE]Raiman,

Pls elborate further if you don't mind. Sounds like my kinda place, or if you could provide tel no of the club would be helpful.

[QUOTE=Mangga]Sorry if the preceding essay was too long. To cut a long story short - if you manage to get a AFF girlie to meet you somewhere, you've almost got her in bed. If you get her across the threshold of your apartment or hotel make sure you've got condoms in the bedside drawer....[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Mangga ! Very useful info. There's so many good free dating sites out there, I am not sure I want to pay for the AFF services (about 60USD for 3 months it seems). Anyway, good to know this option.

Cheers !

Seems to be "the rich executive club" in permata hijau. Just open.

High shag probabilities

It all depends.... You need to read each girl's profile and read between the lines.

Then there are the hundreds in between that are looking for some combination of sexual frolics, a good time/good night out and a connection or relationship of some kind. The chances of a fuck with the girlies in this category is pretty close to 100%, but they may take a bit of time and effort to woo. But not a lot.... I can't think of many that I haven't fucked in the first meeting. The wooing usually only has to happen by email and/or text.

You have to send a lot of messages and put some effort in. Lots of girls tell me they get so bored with fat bules who send messages like "Hi, wanna meet for a good time?". They delete a hundred a day like that.

Mangga
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I have done the BATS, Tiga-puloh, CJ's circuit as well as D's and MyBar, plus Maribaya and Kartika/Berlian - all many times. But for me, AFF is a better experience. Nothing wrong with pulling in the pay-for-play places, but there are literally dozens of women available on AFF for virtually any age-group.

Mangga obviously has an advanced degree in AFF-shagging. The one thing that I can add to his already excellent report is to think of AFF like a pick-up bar in North America. Everyone knows what is going on there - the women and the men are hoping to meet that special someone who will rock their world.

But you still have to play the game - be polite, show interest, make conversation. On AFF, you do that on email for the most part. But just like in the pick-up bar, if your opening line is "Hey hot-stuff, wanna fuck?", then you won't do very well.

Many AFF ladies have told me that 80-90% of the guys who write to them are obviously assholes. Just be decent and nice, and you will stand out - and the benefits are absolutely wonderful.

Thanks for a great tutorial, Mangga.

[QUOTE=Jakboy]Ambassador mall rules. Went up to the 2nd floor passageway and there it was. They have serious variety of sex toys. And a sweet girl there too (I told her I would let her use my new toy if she would give me a discount. She didn't bite). Notably also tried to sell me Vitamin V and cialis. And also some weird thing in abottle (with Chinese writing). My Indonesian is not lancar enough. But she said that you mix it in water and give it to the girl. And 10 minutes later something happens. I was fearful and didn't think about it. But am wondering now. Anyone has a clue?

Thanks everyone. This is truly a convenient discovery.[/QUOTE]I think the thing you mix in a drink is some sort of aphrodisiac for ladies. 10 minutes later, they become wet and horny with no stimuli. Not really worth buying as indo ladies quickly get horny with just a bit of stimuli almost anywhere on the body and it seems most prefer their breasts fondled. The sweet girl may be the same one that offered me lots of sex toys and even agreed to go out if I bought more stuff.