Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]If one is not living here, and has little or no opportunity to meet a girl, other than a bargirl, or at the very best, a non-P4P from the lower classes, then one shouldn't have a Thai GF here. It will end up being quite costly...(clip)...Besides the sex, what really is the attraction?...(clip)...and the obvious pain and boredom she's suffering by hanging around in the awful glare of the morning sun, like some frightened vampire, when she'd really like to get back to her hole-in-the-wall, that she shares with umteen other BGs, and gossip over a plate of somtam poo pra ra....(clip)In the final analysis, if one is not living here, one has little opportunity, no matter how many visits to LOS, to really get to know these girls and their culture. Therefore, it become almost impossibly to truly know and understand them...(clip)...The 3Fs is still the best operating procedure for visitors.[/QUOTE] As usual, OTH, you are pragmatic, sardonic, and essentially correct with this comment. A "relationship" with a P4P woman is fraught with pitfalls, many unknown to most visiting [i]farang.[/i]

Unless they've made the trip to the LOS many times, and/or had a relationship with a Thai woman, most men have little idea what they are doing when they come her on a monger holiday. These men are easy marks for [i]wiley[/i] P4P bar girls, and they are more than willing to walk down that path hand-in-hand through the night and into the stark glare of the morning breakfast buffet. So be it...car dealers operate in the same fashion all over the world. [i]Bait and switch...[/i]

However, if one has the inclination for a little fun out on the edge of normalcy, and wants to partake and enjoy a unique indigenous life form, then hanging with an Isaan working girl can (at times) be fun and entertaining. I happen to like [i]gai yang and khao niao,[/i] and a night at a lively Isaan entertainment venue is a trip into the inner workings of a culture that you will not likely find outside this region.

When I think about returning to the West for an extended period, and renewing a [i]normal life[/i] of chasing over-the-hill divorcees and jaded seriel daters, I quiver with fear for my wallet and sanity. A night, or even a week, with a Issan bar girl takes on a new perspective in this big picture. If you know what you are doing, speak a little Thai and like BBQ chicken and [i]laab moo[/i], it's light, fun and means nothing.

Settling down with a Mid-So Thai woman does have its attractions in the longer term [i]living in Thailand[/i] picture, yet, then other issues come to bear such as commitment and fidelity.

As with most things in life, to each their own, of course.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]In all cases there seemed to be a very large chasm between them brought on, I'm sure by a combination of language problems, nothing to talk about anyway...([b]"Did you like when I licked your pussy, last night?" doesn't seem a propos chit-chat, when noshing on scrambled eggs and toast[/b])...and the obvious pain and boredom she's suffering by hanging around in the awful glare of the morning sun, like some frightened vampire, when she'd really like to get back to her hole-in-the-wall, that she shares with umteen other BGs, and gossip over a plate of somtam poo pra ra.[/QUOTE]

OTH,

God this had me laughing so hard... Thumbs up!

[QUOTE=Bob Down]If I was to have a serious relationship with her I would have to consider supporting her parents too.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, this TG might fall in love with a man (Thai) that will not work, stay in a scabby place that she will pay for adn wait for her to buy whisky and cigarettes for him... until she realises he is a scumbag. Let's hope she does before she gets pregnant and he disappears.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Unfortunately, this TG might fall in love with a man (Thai) that will not work, stay in a scabby place that she will pay for adn wait for her to buy whisky and cigarettes for him... until she realises he is a scumbag. Let's hope she does before she gets pregnant and he disappears.[/QUOTE]

Well as far as Thai's go, this girl is past her used by date (mid 30's).

[QUOTE=Bob Down]Well as far as Thai's go, this girl is past her used by date (mid 30's).[/QUOTE]

I am not sure there is such a thing as a "Used" date, Thai guys would fuck anything for money.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am not sure there is such a thing as a "Used" date, Thai guys would fuck anything for money.[/QUOTE]


Same could be said for bargirls.

What I mean is that Thai girls are expected to be married in their 20's. Once they hit 30, they start to lose hope of ever getting married. I chat to another girl in her 30's, single, feels the same way.

[QUOTE=Dardo]Really good post OTH. I'll put a link to this at the reports of distinction.[/QUOTE]

Are you being sarcastic?

OTH comes to a monger forum to express his low opinion of mongers, to whom he is incomparably superior, he believes.

He has to brag to us, because if he bragged to his pals back in Canada they'd listen for two minutes then ask him if he knows Gary Glitter.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]bargirls and lower class girls, {snip} these types of girls have such limited knowledge of anything outside their very small worlds, that they are incredibly boring to be with and talk to.

Besides the sex, what really is the attraction? [/QUOTE]OTH, if there were no other attraction, then why do so many foreigners want to spend a LT or even days & weeks with a lady of this group? Surely they are not copulating all day and night. Why not just do the three minute deed and show her the door?

Having taken several 100's of these TGs yourself, perhaps you would know what the attraction is, besides getting physical.

BTW, how often have you been with such in the past 1, 2 & 5 years?

I understand you claim to have outgrown the P4P TGs, and insist that the the vast majority of those living in Thailand and involved with them will eventually do so as well. Yet the picture you have painted of the non P4P TGs you have "dated" does not sound much different. Namely that you have disposed of 100's of them also, including numerous nightmarish situations, and even the one you are with now is easily changeable since, as you put it, there is a lineup of replacements at the door, ready and eager to take her place.

BTW, been having any dialogues re epistemology and metaphyics with her lately? That couldn't be boring.

[QUOTE=Easy2007]However, with regard to the Thai bar girls looking bad in the morning, come on OTH, you were in the Nana Hotel. This does not attract anything but your lower level super cheap charlie sex tourist, who is not going to be buying the best looking mate to sleep with for the night.[/QUOTE]IMO, Nana Hotel, which is in a prime location for mongers, is by no means bottom of the barrel when it cums to BKK hotels, or even in that area of Sukhumvit. Cheapest rooms there are 1490, up 200B since last February, and I think the most expensive go for more than twice that.

Having spent over half my time there in the past two years, I've seen a lot of ladies going in and out, everything from fat & ugly to stunners, whether in the morning at breakfast to prime time in the evening.

In the restaurant for breakfast one may not see as high a percentage of hotties, which may be due to numerous factors. They may be more likely to have a TBF to get back to, so will not do LT or, if they do, not hang around for breakfast. BTW the TGs I've been with usually do not care for the hotel food.

Though I might not have as much experience as many here, I agree with OTH that Middle Class Girls may be the best place to find a Thai GF. I have spent summers here and developed some short term relationships with BG and middle class girls I met on TLL. The BG's have always needed more money for family, sick buffalos and numerous other things. They are also quite jealous in my experience if they see that wallet maybe going to another woman.

Some middle class girl relationships went sour, with s few GREAT girls, because I could not stay. The longest I had was 2 summers with 1 girl. But the girl I met last year, from Chiang Mai, was wonderful. College graduate, pretty, a car and house and a teenage son. She drove me all over Northern Thailand and introduced me to all of her friends and people at the Temple AND church as one of her relatives converted to Christianity. She did everything for me but wipe my butt. I met her family. Very nice. They had jobs and houses. When I got home, I received a post card from her every day for about 2 months. She sent small gifts and emailed every day.

Then about 2 months ago (I just found out) she had money problems where she was going to lose her house. She never asked me for money. NEVER! I was joking over a chat session that I knew she had another BF. I told her. You better tell me. Suddenly she said. OK. I WILL CONFES TO YOU BECAUSE I LOVE YOU! She told me about her house situation and said she was assisted financially by a old man. 75. Who was has cancer. Basically she became his nurse and he helped her financially. This is not a bar girl but she confessed she slept nude with him and washed him and cleaned him. She sent a picture of him and he was quite old and frail looking. Maybe he screwed her. Maybe he didn't. I don't know what to beleive.

She knows I am moving there this summer permanently. She has begged me for her forgivesmess. Says she wants to be with me. She is no longer helping him (according to her). She says she would do anythong for me. Including letting me have a BG for a night if I think she cheated me (which she still insists she did not).

This was a great girl. Who I could have even married. But sadly I think I may have to take a pass on her. I don't know what to believe but probably better for me to believe the worst.

So who are the best girls for GF's. I still think Middle Class but you still have to be a little lucky!

[QUOTE=Washburn]Are you being sarcastic?

OTH comes to a monger forum to express his low opinion of mongers, to whom he is incomparably superior, he believes.[/QUOTE]In no way. At some points the post maybe harsh, but I think is very good.

Specially, the point, that having a relationship with one of these girls requires an appreciable budget.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]OTH, if there were no other attraction, then why do so many foreigners want to spend a LT or even days & weeks with a lady of this group? Surely they are not copulating all day and night. Why not just do the three minute deed and show her the door?

Having taken several 100's of these TGs yourself, perhaps you would know what the attraction is, besides getting physical.

BTW, how often have you been with such in the past 1, 2 & 5 years?

I understand you claim to have outgrown the P4P TGs, and insist that the the vast majority of those living in Thailand and involved with them will eventually do so as well. Yet the picture you have painted of the non P4P TGs you have "dated" does not sound much different. Namely that you have disposed of 100's of them also, including numerous nightmarish situations, and even the one you are with now is easily changeable since, as you put it, there is a lineup of replacements at the door, ready and eager to take her place.

BTW, been having any dialogues re epistemology and metaphyics with her lately? That couldn't be boring.[/QUOTE]

I have been with P4P a few times recently. They just don't do it for me. They don't have the right 'look' and they are B-O-R-I-N-G.

To answer your first question...Guys spend LT with these girls because of the fantasy. It's quite seductive at first to be middle-aged or older and have a young thing to play with. Even during a week or two holiday the bloom may not wear off the rose because of the fact that most guys delude themselves into thinking what's going on is genuine or at least a GFE and consequently, they lower their standards vis a vis, a meaningful relationship, having a decent conversation and the rest. Do a background check on a lot of guys and it's the same story: crappy relationships in the west, devorced from some fat, ugly shrew etc. which stands in stark contrast to the willing and compliant, not to mention comparatively beautiful and sexy Thai girls. So, these guys put up with, or just ignore the fact that these girls have nothing going on in their heads.

The point I was making was have your fun with them, even go on holiday with them if that turns your crank. But, don't under any circumstances get deeply involved with them, or you'll be in for loads of money trouble and creeping boredom. That was the catalyst for my original remarks, because of Dardo's experience. I wasn't knocking mongers, so much as just knocking mongers who mistake love for lust and get fucked up in the process.

As for conversations with my GF about epistemology and metaphysics...Ya, I actually have quite lengthy discussions with her on all kinds of deep and meaningful topics, because she is quite hungry for knowledge. This is one of the main reasons I like her, because it is so refreshing and atypical in this country to find someone like that.

All the girls whether they are poor or not are well informed nowadays. They know foreign people come to their country looking for girls to have sex with. They know in return they will get money and gifts. they know foreigners will profess endless love only to use them and leave them for another pretty skirt which comes along.
Gone are the days when the girls were innocent. Poverty makes them desparate to lie, cheat etc to make their life better. I am sure there are some good girls but it is getting difficult to find them.
Traditionally Thai custom is the older thai men have one wife and many girlfriends on the side. So it is not taboo for them to be with older foreign men. But sooner or later they are naturally attracted to men their own age .

[QUOTE=Sammon]All the girls whether they are poor or not are well informed nowadays. They know foreign people come to their country looking for girls to have sex with. They know in return they will get money and gifts. they know foreigners will profess endless love only to use them and leave them for another pretty skirt which comes along.
Gone are the days when the girls were innocent. Poverty makes them desparate to lie, cheat etc to make their life better. I am sure there are some good girls but it is getting difficult to find them.
Traditionally Thai custom is the older thai men have one wife and many girlfriends on the side. So it is not taboo for them to be with older foreign men. But sooner or later they are naturally attracted to men their own age .[/QUOTE]

In your first sentence you refer to all girls "poor or not", and then go on in the rest of the post to talk just about poor girls.

The girls who are not poor, middle-class and above are generally not interested in Farang, especially those on holiday, who come here for sex.

Learn to differentiate and talk about what you know.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I have been with P4P a few times recently. They just don't do it for me. They don't have the right 'look' and they are B-O-R-I-N-G.[/QUOTE]I'd love to know what the "right" look is. Hopefully nothing resembling the photos on ISG which, in the vast majority of cases, criminally misrepresent the beauty that is widely available in BKK, both in P4P and elsewhere. BTW, what do we know about your TGF except that she looks 8, is 23, and, in your opinion, allegedly, cute? Whitish as well, I presume.

When you were "with" these ladies did you shag them? What would they think if you attempted to discuss epistemology and metaphysics? Like WTF and boring? Based on my experience I'd expect many of them to whisper three little words in your ear, Why so serious?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]To answer your first question. Guys spend LT with these girls because of the fantasy. It's quite seductive at first to be middle-aged or older and have a young thing to play with. Even during a week or two holiday the bloom may not wear off the rose because of the fact that most guys delude themselves into thinking what's going on is genuine or at least a GFE and consequently, they lower their standards vis a vis, a meaningful relationship, having a decent conversation and the rest. Do a background check on a lot of guys and it's the same story: crappy relationships in the west, devorced from some fat, ugly shrew etc. Which stands in stark contrast to the willing and compliant, not to mention comparatively beautiful and sexy Thai girls. So, these guys put up with, or just ignore the fact that these girls have nothing going on in their heads.[/QUOTE]It would be very interesting to hear TG responses to your comment here.

Nothing going on in their heads? So that should make them the equivalent of the beautiful, busty blonde stereotype? Maybe most guys like that type, especially combined with the qualities you speak of {willing, compliant, beautiful and sexy}. Add to that the fun loving nature of many TGs and it's easy to see why they are so sought after for their company LT, as GFs, or even as lifelong mates.

I'd suggest a majority of Farang in LOS have little going on in their heads, whatever that is supposed to mean, and the ones who have been hypnotized and plundered by TG magic have even less. So maybe these Farang and P4P {or LoSo} TG's are birds of a feather? Maybe they are more interested in, or totally interested in, hedonism rather than intellectualism. And that is reflected in their choice of a mate.

BTW, when you say LoSo, are you referring to poor rice farmers, seven eleven employees, hotel workers, and clerks at Siam Paragon? What would the MidSo include, doctors, lawyers, dentists, teachers?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The point I was making was have your fun with them, even go on holiday with them if that turns your crank. But, don't under any circumstances get deeply involved with them, or you'll be in for loads of money trouble and creeping boredom. That was the catalyst for my original remarks, because of Dardo's experience. I wasn't knocking mongers, so much as just knocking mongers who mistake love for lust and get fucked up in the process.[/QUOTE]Are you saying all the Farang "deeply involved" with LoSo or P4P TGs are bored to death? And if they have loads of dough they are obligated to hand it over to the TGF? Or is it possible to enjoy the TGFs way of life without trusting her enuf to hand over the crown jewels?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]As for conversations with my GF about epistemology and metaphysics. Ya, I actually have quite lengthy discussions with her on all kinds of deep and meaningful topics, because she is quite hungry for knowledge. This is one of the main reasons I like her, because it is so refreshing and atypical in this country to find someone like that.[/QUOTE]This is quite general. I am guessing that she does not share the Thai view that LOS is the greatest cuntry in the world. IOW, under your influence, she is a traitor to the mother cuntry;

Personally I have found P4P TGs have an interest in knowledge. For example many of them are studying English. They actually use books for this. Some of which I have provided them myself, out of my bountiful, unsurpassed and endless generosity.

One of my P4P regulars, to whom BTW I donated some 200KB in 4 months recently, is a university student. So I would guess there is something going on in her head. But it is logically possible, metaphysicly speaking, that once this lady entered P4P she was automaticly and immediately lobotimized. Don't ask me how.

At one time I would have been into "deep and meaningful" discussions and be the philosophical type like you, but, having outgrown that, I only live for wine, women and song. Or, rather, my drugs of choice, Baccardi Breezer, testosterone, and the Rolling Stones. As a hedonist, gambling, Thai ladies, free internet porn, and mindless action movies are also some of my favorite addictions. Without them I'd consider taking up bungee jumping without the cord.

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