Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2928000]I am here for two days. I went out last night, great time. Lots of people out last night watching the games too. Will head out tonight again. Anyone around?[/QUOTE]Tired of the fabulous scene in Hanoi LOL?

Hello guys,

I am going to Phnom Penh on upcoming week, it will be good if you seniors suggest good location / hotel to stay there which is good to find birds. .

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=JustMehul;2929413]Hello guys,

I am going to Phnom Penh on upcoming week, it will be good if you seniors suggest good location / hotel to stay there which is good to find birds. .

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Any of the hotels down in the area are OK, use Agoda or something.

[QUOTE=JustMehul;2929413]Hello guys,

I am going to Phnom Penh on upcoming week, it will be good if you seniors suggest good location / hotel to stay there which is good to find birds. .

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Best tip I ever got from an PP expat was the Lux Hotel on Street 136. In the heart of the action. Sun and Moon hotel is often also mentioned by mongers (also on Street 136). As I've said before, the Lux is at ground zero. Couldn't be more convenient unless there was a hostess bar in the lobby. As it is, it's about 80 feet from the closest bars. I think you might like it.

SS.

When to travel? In the river bar district centered around 136 street, summer is considered low season and Northern hemisphere winter high (er) season. Summer temperatures are above 90F or 30 C, yet I find the summer just as enjoyable as the winter. Hotel rooms are air conditioned. The sun sets around 6 pm. When the rain falls, and fall it does, torrential rains, the temperatures drop, the air clears and the streets become clean. Driving in a tuktuk during these rainfalls is a spectacular experience. And afterwards all is cool and clean.

Hotel choice? I stayed at Lux Riverside every time I travelled. Why? One: I repeat patterns I have explored. My fault. Two: I like to be near 136 street and the river for easy access, Khmer food stalls, Western style open breakfast and dinner bars, sports bars and big screens, Karaoke and girly bars. Three: Lux Riverside is run by likeable Cambodians, English speaking clerks, ladies and gents, family oriented side conversations. Every room has a safe. Service technician is not allowed to enter unless you are in the room. Room service comes at any time of your choosing. Lux Riverside is professionally safe. This matters to me who works perennially on a number of laptops when I am not out exploring the scene. That said, Lux Riverside is jaded. I book a suite on the 8th floor to have window and terrace access. Other floors have rooms without windows or windows with a 3 ft view of a concrete wall. The hotel may have lost its shine to the many competitors who have been built around swimming pools with spectacular window views.

Why repeat to go to Cambodia? I enjoy the laid back variety PP offers. Some punters on this forum call it a trash can. It is, but it looks awesome at night after the rain, LED light etc. I have just a little understanding of Bangkok. PP does not have the crowds. It is one more flight away. It is not cheaper than Bangkok. The scene is a little younger and more pristine than in Bangkok. There are less choices not for the mongers but for the young girls, which makes it the more promising vacation location to me. Some punters say Bangkok is more easily accessible for the average monger. Maybe, cannot judge, but romance takes effort anywhere. Some mongers say there is not much to do in PP. That is nonsense. I go to Khmer box, to world class Karaoke, to world class food landscapes (Bassat lane e. G.). The day goes fast in PP.

Korean complex? One punter on this forum complains that Korean mongers claim their stake by limiting access to certain KTV (Karaoke clubs). I can confirm that Korean KTV Sony (232 street near Monivong Blvd.) security rejects Caucasian looking guests. Tuktuk driver says they are afraid of Western journalists, maybe NGO, and maybe also of Western punters' competition. NGO play a minor role today, as underage depravity has been routed out by Khmer police. Preemption of Western competition is real, not only in PP, but there are so many other choices in PP. Also, each girl that does p4 p has an adventurous streak. I had a sterling experience in Shanghai with a 24 yo Viet stunner, a straight 10 for 250 US $ for 3 h, who never had been with a Westerner but liked the premiere. I wager, the girls serving Sony KTV also venture to other places to find clients.

Originals? Cambodians, I understand, call girls who sit in the bars and are not available for outcall originals. They tend to be younger (18 -19) and much prettier than the average bar girl. They are there to lure customers in. The phenomenon is real. Originals can be stunning and outshine the others. Mamasans in many bars repeat the call that they are available for 5 000 US $, and that they market off their self-declared virginity. I believe there is a market for this, but I do not know how liquid it is on the demand side. After all, there are many stunners available for outcall. But the mamasans I befriended tell the story with panache and conviction. There is empathy in the system. Mamasans often explain that the girls are dirt poor when they come to the big city. The girls decide for themselves which services they want to render and let mamasan know. And they can be wooed in some cases by money, patience, perseverance and discretion.

Prices? I am not a good negotiator. I refuse because negotiating has the tendency to deionize the sex in the air and the respectfulness of the situation. Then there is the margin consideration: 2 thousand plus US $ fixed cost to get and stay there. How much hurt can a 5 US $ bill lost in foregone negotiation exert? Safe statements on PP: LD 5 US $. Girl I find acceptable ST 50 US $ per hour. Market North of this figure exists at Nagaworld, but not sure how liquid the demand side is North of 50 US $ an hour.

Day 1: Spent a full 25 US $ on two extended tuktuk trips. Tuktuk driver recorded my preferences (natural, petite, slim, mild mannered, 18 - 21) and is hunting for talent. Nice. That evening I was surprised how many good looking 19 – 23 yo were available in various parts of the city. Did not pick one, for I reconnected with a 24 yo super beauty later that night. 160 cm. 44 kg. Shoe size 35. Shapely legs and anything else on her. Breast 1. 5. Natural nails. Fully depilated. Dressed immaculately in a short black dress and sandals. Works as a hairdresser. Cannot connect with mortal men, too into herself and creating her own barriers, but a straight 10 in the looks department. She was finally able to relax in the room, no condom asked, yamyam and bumbum delivered. Really relaxed only when sitting with me and her (real) sister in the bar and had too much wine and beer. Creeping alcohol addiction of all too many bar girls. I refrain. My advice goes unheeded. As usual in life.

Day2: A very short, girly and slim waitress with an average face, earrings and a pristine shapely body otherwise approached me. Concise straight info and questions with sex in the air: Studies English at university, used to have an American boyfriend, maybe she was not good enough for him, she said, currently no boyfriend, whether I want to meet with her. Perfect. Dinner date set with a girl 30+ years my junior. She is 22. Unlikely to become a mongering experience is my hunch, and that is also good. Variety counts.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2930589]When to travel? In the river bar district centered around 136 street, summer is considered low season and Northern hemisphere winter high (er) season. Summer temperatures are above 90F or 30 C, yet I find the summer just as enjoyable as the winter. Hotel rooms are air conditioned. The sun sets around 6 pm. When the rain falls, and fall it does, torrential rains, the temperatures drop, the air clears and the streets become clean. Driving in a tuktuk during these rainfalls is a spectacular experience. And afterwards all is cool and clean.

Hotel choice? I stayed at Lux Riverside every time I travelled. Why? One: I repeat patterns I have explored. My fault. Two: I like to be near 136 street and the river for easy access, Khmer food stalls, Western style open breakfast and dinner bars, sports bars and big screens, Karaoke and girly bars. Three: Lux Riverside is run by likeable Cambodians, English speaking clerks, ladies and gents, family oriented side conversations. Every room has a safe. Service technician is not allowed to enter unless you are in the room. Room service comes at any time of your choosing. Lux Riverside is professionally safe. This matters to me who works perennially on a number of laptops when I am not out exploring the scene. That said, Lux Riverside is jaded. I book a suite on the 8th floor to have window and terrace access. Other floors have rooms without windows or windows with a 3 ft view of a concrete wall. The hotel may have lost its shine to the many competitors who have been built around swimming pools with spectacular window views.

Why repeat to go to Cambodia? I enjoy the laid back variety PP offers. Some punters on this forum call it a trash can. It is, but it looks awesome at night after the rain, LED light etc. I have just a little understanding of Bangkok. PP does not have the crowds. It is one more flight away. It is not cheaper than Bangkok. The scene is a little younger and more pristine than in Bangkok. There are less choices not for the mongers but for the young girls, which makes it the more promising vacation location to me. Some punters say Bangkok is more easily accessible for the average monger. Maybe, cannot judge, but romance takes effort anywhere. Some mongers say there is not much to do in PP. That is nonsense. I go to Khmer box, to world class Karaoke, to world class food landscapes (Bassat lane e. G.). The day goes fast in PP.[/QUOTE]If as you say you only have a little understanding of Bangkok, how can you compare the two. As to your assertions, I can tell you that there are far more younger young ladies in Bangkok alone then probably in all of Cambodia. And if there is plenty to do and I'm paying, tell us, do you live there full time, which I can Define for you as 10 months plus a year?

Day 3: Went out with super beauty and her sister for dinner. Expensive rooftop dinner meal 65 US $ for the three of us. It was fun and worth it. Met a bunch of Russians. Nice young folks, hard working, anti-war patriots. They work in software in Cambodia. Super beauty called me at midnight to come drink with her. Real purpose was I pick up the tab of her drinking with her sister. I declined, which was not received kindly. There is no such thing as mild addiction. Addicts lose sight of their priorities, lose their friends and then their livelihoods. So sad.

Day 4: All day work. New insight: When you book a hotel in PP, don't overvalue the "breakfast included" option. Hotel breakfast stops around 10:30 am. Working late on the laptop and nightly adventure walks mean I go to bed rather late. Breakfast at 13:00 in an open bar is reliably less than 10 US $ incl. Coffee and real orange juice. Keeps your day diet lighter. Old insight: You got to make it happen yourself. So after a very productive about of writing (working), I took a walk around the district at 2:30 am. Some bars closed, most still open. Two bar girls walk passed me to buy something in the convenience store. One just exactly my type. Slim. 5 ft petite. 20 yo but looking younger, short skirt, small everything like small feet and small hands, unvarnished nails, flip flops, big head framed by long black hair, very good English, smily personality, lovely face. I ask her if she wants to go with me or have a drink. I spend like 20 US $ in the bar for 5 drinks for me, her and her friends, who are also lovely and fresh, but I am hooked on her, the smallest frame. 15 US $ bar fine and 70 US $ for her for 3 h. 10 US $ for dry chicken soup, some nuts, some milk, some gift (cosmetics) from the convenience store and up to my apartment. Very nice 3 h hours until it is bright outside, shower and dinner and talk and she has given me all a girl can give a man. Very nice, deep and gooey sloppy blowjob and cif. The quintessential Cambo story of a mother whose husband left, mother taking two of three children and grandmother to PP. Daughter offers herself as 19 yo original to client. Some wealthy Chinese monger pays 2000 US $ and she takes the plunge. Experience not pleasant but also not terrible for her. Since then in a year's time she went with maybe 20 clients, she says, every other week, if she likes the man. In the bar, given her youth and physique, no question she is popular and a sure lady drink earner. She insists on condom and plays it safe. Says sometimes client is rough with her, sometimes does not pay. She calls the police and gets money with the help of police, but not the agreed sum. Police cases are the rare exception, she says, and adds, it was a Korean client. Shame on him. The Koreans I know are cool cool cool. The money she makes sustains the family of five, and her mom is fully aware of the source of her income. Her brother is in high school. She insists he graduate and go to college. She had to drop out of high school one year prior to graduation for lack of money. Her structured and nuanced English tells me she will make it allright.

Day 5: Dinner date with a 24 yo acquaintance, an English teacher. Cute slim and petite as a button, but non-sexual relationship, which I find more durable. I helped her in the past by gifting her a laptop computer and showing her how to write concisely. She represents the 95% of Cambo society who would never accept p4 p. Any Cambo monger should be keep this is mind. If you want a great, inexpensive dinner experience, go to Bassat Lane, 308 Norodom Blvd. You can also google Orkide headquarters, a real estate developer / builder, beautiful modern office building. Bassat Lane was recently developed and features 20 or more open air restaurants. You can have a light dinner for 2 for 15 US $, and will have trouble spending more than 40, I reckon.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2928174]Tired of the fabulous scene in Hanoi LOL?[/QUOTE]Are you in Siem Reap? I am coming there and not that familiar with the scene, you around to buy you lunch?

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2930589]When to travel? In the river bar district centered around 136 street, summer is considered low season and Northern hemisphere winter high (er) season. Summer temperatures are above 90F or 30 C, yet I find the summer just as enjoyable as the winter. Hotel rooms are air conditioned. The sun sets around 6 pm. When the rain falls, and fall it does, torrential rains, the temperatures drop, the air clears and the streets become clean. Driving in a tuktuk during these rainfalls is a spectacular experience. And afterwards all is cool and clean.

Hotel choice? I stayed at Lux Riverside every time I travelled. Why? One: I repeat patterns I have explored. My fault. Two: I like to be near 136 street and the river for easy access, Khmer food stalls, Western style open breakfast and dinner bars, sports bars and big screens, Karaoke and girly bars. Three: Lux Riverside is run by likeable Cambodians, English speaking clerks, ladies and gents, family oriented side conversations. Every room has a safe. Service technician is not allowed to enter unless you are in the room. Room service comes at any time of your choosing. Lux Riverside is professionally safe. This matters to me who works perennially on a number of laptops when I am not out exploring the scene. That said, Lux Riverside is jaded. I book a suite on the 8th floor to have window and terrace access. Other floors have rooms without windows or windows with a 3 ft view of a concrete wall. The hotel may have lost its shine to the many competitors who have been built around swimming pools with spectacular window views.

Why repeat to go to Cambodia? I enjoy the laid back variety PP offers. Some punters on this forum call it a trash can. It is, but it looks awesome at night after the rain, LED light etc. I have just a little understanding of Bangkok. PP does not have the crowds. It is one more flight away. It is not cheaper than Bangkok. The scene is a little younger and more pristine than in Bangkok. There are less choices not for the mongers but for the young girls, which makes it the more promising vacation location to me. Some punters say Bangkok is more easily accessible for the average monger. Maybe, cannot judge, but romance takes effort anywhere. Some mongers say there is not much to do in PP. That is nonsense. I go to Khmer box, to world class Karaoke, to world class food landscapes (Bassat lane e. G.). The day goes fast in PP.[/QUOTE]I've been to Phnom Peng. I agree with your report! Except I wouldn't say Bassat Lane is world class food.

Many young and beautiful girls. There's an elite level of.

Girls that are well dressed, stylish and probably educated. I would love to penetrate (haha!) that group of girls. But I think I need to speak Khymer.

And you're right about original girls holding out for a $5 K payout. I met one. About 18.

I really cannot compare using the merits of my personal experience. Nyezhov is not wrong. But I have an image in mind: Thai 70 million people, Cambo 15 million people. US GDP/capita 65 000 US$/a. Thai GDP per capita 6 900 US $/a at PPP (purchasing power parity), Cambo 1800 US $/ a at PPP. Cambo junior elementary school English teacher's monthly salary 3 648 US$/a. Average age in US: 39 yo. Average age in Thai: 39 yo. Average age in Cambo: 27 yo. I can imagine Cambo getting boring for an expat. Poverty can be boring. But quotes by some punters on this thread like "nothing to do", "Khmer not interested in sex", "no BJ available" are misleading. Generalizations don't help and don't apply. Make it happen before Cambo catches up with Thai or Western vices.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2930591]Perfect. Dinner date set with a girl 30+ years my junior. She is 22. Unlikely to become a mongering experience is my hunch, and that is also good. Variety counts.[/QUOTE]A dinner date in my apartment I'll brag about. Then again, having a gal meet for coffee was kind of nice. The frap probably cost as much as a dinner.

Day 9: Went to Khmer boxing, called Kun Khmer, at Town TV, Street 1711 B in Phnom Penh. I understand it is on every Sat and Sun starting at 3 pm. Tuktuk from river district takes 20 min, 2. 5 US $ per trip on pass app. Seating opens around 2 pm. TV ring can accommodate about 500 spectators – it was a full house. Very professional ring, refs, LED screens, air condition, music, lighting – just amazing how much private fight sports television has come along. The promotion company is called MAS fight. They produce live video content for big screen clients in Macao, Manila, Bangkok, Pattaya, Hongkong and many other places. There certainly is a Chinese investor on the board, but they announce bilingually in Khmer and English. Dell computers dominate the score board. A modern American-infused Asian entertainment venue. MAS fight sponsors farms of fighters in Cambodia, Thailand, China, Iran, . One of the main sponsors, maybe a co-owner, sat on the VIP terrace with his family and entourage. Handsome well dressed tough guy type, household name over here. I was the only Westerner in the arena, spotted and quickly ushered up to the VIP section with my two Cambo friends and placed on a couch, free of charge. We looked pretty sharp, my translator girl, my security and my modest me. The refs and fighters showed their allegiance to the tycoon, and the winning Cambodian fighters got up to 1500 US $ tips from the VIP terrace. The tycoon was sincerely impressed by my interest and enthusiasm for the sport and kept signaling his respect and appreciation, had us supplied with water, directed the fighters to us and shook our hands in the end. Nice interplay.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2931785]Day 9: Went to Khmer boxing, called Kun Khmer, at Town TV, Street 1711 B in Phnom Penh. I understand it is on every Sat and Sun starting at 3 pm. Tuktuk from river district takes 20 min, 2. 5 US $ per trip on pass app. Seating opens around 2 pm. TV ring can accommodate about 500 spectators it was a full house. Very professional ring, refs, LED screens, air condition, music, lighting just amazing how much private fight sports television has come along. The promotion company is called MAS fight. They produce live video content for big screen clients in Macao, Manila, Bangkok, Pattaya, Hongkong and many other places. There certainly is a Chinese investor on the board, but they announce bilingually in Khmer and English. Dell computers dominate the score board. A modern American-infused Asian entertainment venue. MAS fight sponsors farms of fighters in Cambodia, Thailand, China, Iran, . One of the main sponsors, maybe a co-owner, sat on the VIP terrace with his family and entourage. Handsome well dressed tough guy type, household name over here. I was the only Westerner in the arena, spotted and quickly ushered up to the VIP section with my two Cambo friends and placed on a couch, free of charge. We looked pretty sharp, my translator girl, my security and my modest me. The refs and fighters showed their allegiance to the tycoon, and the winning Cambodian fighters got up to 1500 US $ tips from the VIP terrace. The tycoon was sincerely impressed by my interest and enthusiasm for the sport and kept signaling his respect and appreciation, had us supplied with water, directed the fighters to us and shook our hands in the end. Nice interplay.[/QUOTE]Once did a judging for a tv talent show and BJ, some of my other buds were more active on the foreigner giving face circuit there.

Those days are almost gone there.

Good to hear they still live somewhat in PP.