East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=IngHayalet;1681584]I want to know how I can find QQ girl QQ address?

It is very difficult to find for me.

Thank for your help.[/QUOTE]Start with [URL]www.shlf1314.net[/URL].

Hope that this helps.

Standard rate is 400.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

[QUOTE=IngHayalet;1681584]I want to know how I can find QQ girl QQ address?

It is very difficult to find for me.

Thank for your help.[/QUOTE]You can search QQ girls through some websites such as "escort find", where you can find some escort girls who can provide incall services in their own places, but there is a holiday soon, so I think many girl will be home for the holiday.

[QUOTE=IngHayalet;1681584]I want to know how I can find QQ girl QQ address?

It is very difficult to find for me.

Thank for your help.[/QUOTE]But you should know, that QQ girls will expect you to speak Chinese, can you? The normal way is, they will just tell you the "street crossing", where they are located, not their detailed "room number", just to avoid getting caught by police. So when you arrive at the corner, you will have to call them, they will check you up from "somewhere around" and tell you where to go. This step is pretty hard, if you don't speak Chinese. And by the way, most of this "QQ-Accounts" will be handled by pimps, not by the girls directly, so it doesn't matter what your QQ contact will promise you about service or rate, later the girl can change everything.

And many QQ girls don't like to "serve" foreigners (big dick rumor and if they do, they often overcharge. And with your "foreigner punishment fee" you often will be in the range of a sauna or escort girl, but unfortunately combined with a much more "lousy" service. Also this girls often work with faked pictures or they are so strongly "photoshopped", that the 40 years old fat lady will be a 20 years young and slim baby finally, so even they use real pictures, that is not a guarantee to get what you are looking for.

All that "QQ-Stuff" is a kind of "gambling", so you can win, but often you will loose, especially if you are a foreigner How lucky you will be, will also depend on how good is your Chinese and how many time you are willing to spend for find the right girl for the "entertainment" you are looking for. As more time you spend, as more chance to find one of the very less "reliable" girls in that business.

But you should also know, that the risk to get involved in a police raid in that private "QQ-Apartments" is much higher than in any sauna or massage place (they "hide" their business, so also no "tip" for the police guys around). And the police really don't like this kind of business (different to the sauna and massage places, which are known, but mostly tolerated), and the girls work from private apartments, so often the neighbors will realize what is going on there and call the police, just to keep their "environment" clean. So I would not risk to stay overnight in one of this apartments. Caught there will cost you 10 days prison and you will be banned from enter China for the next 4 years, as far as I know.

I think the cautions raised by Shanghai Guide are very valid. I had run into enough scams when I arrived and tried to find a decent apartment to rent. I tried using a very well known Chinese Apartment Rental web site and had local Chinese friends making the calls. And those scammers were licensed real estate agents. The chance of being scammed and ended up paying more, not getting what you expected is much higher in this more "shady" realm, compared to other available alternatives. I had set up a QQ account, but did not use it for mongering.

And I appreciate Shanghai Guide for his many useful posts.

Minhang weather says its raining LE today nearly all MPs closed in some foreigner popular street.

Ads in shlf were divided by 3 this week. Seems SH could be hit hard for this CNY.

Gubei seemed ok today (its been hit pretty hard the past weeks.).

Stay safe.

Do the more established operations like the more reputable saunas require regular health checks on their girls? I know this may be a stupid and unfair question: the johns do not get tested and a girl is only as clean as the last guy. Is the risk of catching a STD high with BBBJ?

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1682618]Do the more established operations like the more reputable saunas require regular health checks on their girls? I know this may be a stupid and unfair question: the johns do not get tested and a girl is only as clean as the last guy. Is the risk of catching a STD high with BBBJ?[/QUOTE]The most upscaled saunas care a lot about that. They will send the girls to a monthly health check, and if there will be any indication like scratching or itching, she will be suspended immediately and only allow back to work, if she got a health check certificate from the hospital. So from all choices in Shanghai, the sauna clubs should be the most secure ones from that point of view.

Many of us caught something from a BBBJ already, so there is a risk, but the sauna girls have a good solution for that. They will blow you with hot or cold water in their mouth, and this water will be mixed with antiseptic mouthwash liquid. That's not a bad feeling, because it will make your little brother even a little bit more sensible, same time the risk for transfer an infection go down a lot!

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1682618]Do the more established operations like the more reputable saunas require regular health checks on their girls? I know this may be a stupid and unfair question: the johns do not get tested and a girl is only as clean as the last guy. Is the risk of catching a STD high with BBBJ?[/QUOTE]From what I was told back in 2012, the girls at the more established operations aka saunas get monthly health checks for STDs.

Of course as you said yourself the girl is only as clean as the last guy and some of the more annoying STDs might not show any signs until weeks later.

Long after the customer has already left China.

In my six years of fucking in Shanghai I have never had an issue with STD's. I return to the US once a year and get tested for STD's.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1682618]{S N I P}Is the risk of catching a STD high with BBBJ?[/QUOTE]I am not a medical specialist in STDs and therefore do not give medical advice. However it is generally recognised that it is possible to transmit a whole range of STDs via BJs.

The levels of risk vary depending on the type of STD, the circumstances and the environment. IMHO, it is an oversimplification to simply state the risk is low (or very low, or whatever).

I suggest that you do your own research (direct consultation, internet or whatever) and then you can set your own limits of exposure risk. Thus, different individuals may set dramatically different limits depending on their personal assessments and beliefs.

I do not believe that ISG members should make recommendations in this area to other members unless they are STD medical specialists and know the precise circumstances, habits and preferences of the person.

Ikksman

P.S. Sometimes we make foolish decisions in the (sexual) heat of the moment, so my POV is that it is wise to understand the risks. Personally, I have been lucky (touch wood)!

Your point is very well taken, and I agree. However, when I asked my doctor, he thinks anything less than double condoms with anyone is verboten.

No one will confuse the ISG with the Mayo Clinics, and no one will be getting letters from lawyers intimating medical malpractice lawsuits. I guess everyone considers answers to questions like mine, plus $5, will get him a cup of coffee (medium) at Starbucks. (This is not to be taken as an insult to posters who took the time to comment).

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1683219]Your point is very well taken, and I agree. However, when I asked my doctor, he thinks anything less than double condoms with anyone is verboten.

No one will confuse the ISG with the Mayo Clinics, and no one will be getting letters from lawyers intimating medical malpractice lawsuits. I guess everyone considers answers to questions like mine, plus $5, will get him a cup of coffee (medium) at Starbucks. (This is not to be taken as an insult to posters who took the time to comment).[/QUOTE]Clearly your doctor is not very good, as doubling up on condoms increases their risk of breakage, as well as with using non-water based lube (vaseline, etc).

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1677418]All clubs we are in touch with reopened, so it should not be a problem any more now. But we expect another close down around the new year, but approximately after your visit.

Have fun,

Steven[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. I had a fine time. Went for sauna at an old favourite: Heting Elite. Then oil massage at 1808 Beijing Road. Then that new place near around the side of the Shanghai hotel, which was a first for me. Read about it here on the forum. The new place was a good combination: sauna-style treatment, complete with rimming, but no FS just BBBJCIM. All excellent service from very nice girls. My lucky day.

(Sorry for those of your experiencing the new year freeze...)

Dear all,

Thank for all your replay especially Shanghai Guide. I try to visit massage parlor.

Dear all,

Thank for all your replay especially Shanghai Guide. I try to visit massage parlor.

Ing.

Try 1808 Beijing Road. #6 there is cute and has nice breasts.