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The Traveller & OTH,

of course all we write are nothing but prejudices, I wouldn't presume on knowing how All women in Thailand think... especially the ones I have never met ;)

Yes, I indulge for the most part in P4P, I am trying my best to steer clear of a relationship with a Thai girl (non P4P). I like my freedom too much to be tied up with a "Girlfriend". This is my personal choice. I am 30 and maybe am not looking for the same thing as other members here.

Having said that, I work here, and have contact with Many "regular" Thai ladies, I eat 2 meals with them daily and noticed one thing: most of them are gold diggers, out of 8 ladies, 4 have Farang Boyfriends (older) but they still have their Thai Gik boyfriends on the side... they are not the least affraid to openly say that they are with their Farang boyfriend for the money.

Does this mean all Thai ladies are like that? no, but I can only speak from what I know.

on the other topic, I agree with OTH. I fail to see how offering gifts to your girlfriend makes her a prostitute. If it was true, then 99% of the women on this planet would be prostitutes.

When you have a relationship with someone, you are happy to see the other person happy, makes you feel good, and gifts are a nice way to show the other person you care about them.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I see you underestimate our little Thai ladies LOL BIG Mistake.
She will NEVER allow the relationship to Break as long as there are financial ties.

Reminds me of a fellow I met a copule of years ago. Someone asked me to look up this psychiatrist friend of theirs when I got to Bangkok. Met him in the lobby of Nana where he was intensley involved in a conversation with a moderately nice looking Thai girl about 25.

She was explaining to him why she could only see him for the next three days and then was "busy" for two weeks. She had to go to the airport to pickup this guy from Houston who was arriving for a couple of weeks and had been paying her 3M Bht a month for some time. Originally she had told him whe was going to Issan to visit her parents but when he wanted to go along she broke down and told him about the Texan

My friend the shrink was almost crying and kept telling her he loved her and reminding her that he had been sending 2M bht a month for a year. She said repeatedly that she loved him too but did have to spend time with the Texan but only for two weeks. The last I spoke with him he was going to Pattaya for two weeks to drown his sorrow in pussy I guess.

Makes you wonder how many of these nutty farangs are shrinks.

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Hi,

It appears that you inadverently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.

The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". It's that simple.

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Thanks,

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I don't know where you guys find these "worthy" girls. Chances are they are acting all sweet, but after you make commitment #1 it is all over.

Actually I met one, a sister of a maid at the Sunshine that really cared about this guy from Seattle that was drinking himself to death. We intervened, as he gave her his credit cards to go shopping and she was crying on Soi 8, saying he was like Nick Cage in Lvg Las Vegas. She actually cared about this guy and asked for my help rather than go sopping at the Big C or Lotus.

The trouble is when they tell the family and the Thai guy in the woodwork they are with a gringo they get pressed to "get paid". They watch US TV where everybody is in big houses and driving big cars with no visible means of support. Going to bars and restaurants where money doesn't change hands. I have seen an occasional Briton and many Germans and Swedes fare better, but even USAF guys that married Thai women in Khorat during the Viet thing could tell horror stories about black market stuff from the px and guys losing stripes. Even the Pinoy women are better but still trouble. My uncle was in Khorat and he has married 3 pinoy women but he said he Thai ones are cursed when I asked why no pooyings. If you bring a woman back to the US you have to sign affadavits of support. They usually dump their east coast gringo after a nice settlement and head to California (the 70thsomething province) to be with their Thai lover. In NYC if a waitress at a Thai restaurant dates a farhang she is shunned by all her friends, unless it is a get rich quick scheme. Emotionally they are the most immature women I ever met. Always tossing ultimatums. I left one crying on the highway in pouring down rain that gave me a stupid ultimatum. Dumb ***** could have gotten airfare home and a gold chain the next day in Chinatown but started up on me and I paid the cabbie to take me back to Nana where I gave him her bags and money to take the wench out of the rain to the bus station. I would much rather boink pooyings in the beginning and hang with an Israeli, or European Backpacker woman toward the end of my trip. After only a few days in Thailand (I love BKK) I am ready to go to other elsewhere where the people are much more polite, the women prettier, and the culture is far more western. No place on earth does the sayings "familiarity breed contempt" or "kindness is taken as a weakness" fare than in the LOS. What kind of conversation can you have with a Thai women? There is no world outside of theirs. The resident Indians, Nepalese, and Chinese all fare much better in business There because of the "Thai law of diminishing service". I'd hook a Nana driver up with a nice all day job and he'd bad mouth me and my family, then insult the bargirls with my friends.

None of my friends listened to me and all got dogged. Two are about to get dogged having bought houses and just opened the floodgates for more dinero. All these other "investments and bus. investments"for relatives on the horizon. I can't believe the changes that came over their pooyings. Instead of being happy and appreciative they act pissy and just go for more. These girls are nothing to look at and they run us and their expat friends off so these guys are drinking themselves to death out of boredom. I got chumped by bargirls, seamstresses, bank tellers, hotel staff, waitresses, and straight massage girls. Their dipsh*^ friends intimidate them into taking back their books and cd's on learning english for money. The Germans I met in Naklua have their women under much better control and ignore them when they get all pissy and despondent in an effort to get more jack. The gringos always do the "what's the matter honey?". I see Englishment get bossed around by roly poly old dragons as well.

Erik,

just read this, funny story. Well, unless you're the guy.

[url]http://www.mangosauce.com/farang_life/duped_farang_goes_postal.php[/url]

What kind of Thai women are these you hang out with?

I live in HK and have about 5 farang friends of mine married to Thai ladies for many years.

These guys, lets just say, would be in the top 1% of US net worth if they lived back in the States. None of them are even remotely on the brink of divorce. In fact, its the women that often having to turn on blind eye on their husbands meanderings. They could all easily file for divorce and lead a comfortable life but they truly stick to their men.

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on the other topic, I agree with OTH. I fail to see how offering gifts to your girlfriend makes her a prostitute. If it was true, then 99% of the women on this planet would be prostitutes.
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Girls who want to fuck a lot of guys for free are often called "sluts",
girls who do same but want something in return are labelled "prostitutes",
girls who don't really want to fuck at all are "frigid or lesbians",
girls who do only one guy for money or other gain are "normal girls",
girls who only want to fuck one guy for free are "badly in love",
girls who who fuck one guy for free and another for money are either "pimped or sneaky"

The distinction between normal girls and prostitutes is mainly how many guys they fuck.
Aren't all these labels totally stupid?
Why isn't being a prostitute a perfectly respectable profession since it pays O.K.?

Why do guys worry so much about the motives of a girl who wants to fuck? Is it for love, lust, money, or a combination of these?
Isn't the the quality, quantity and reliability of the sex more important than the motive?

When choosing a girlfriend, her character is important as is her sexual performance.
Whether she has ever accepted money, presents, or other benefits in return for sex is not really relevant.

We all fuck around and I'm sure many of us would happily accept monetry benefits for fucking girls if the supply and demand situation was reversed.
I would even fuck an ugly girl if she paid me enough and I could get it up despite the lack of sexiness.

I'm not a hypocrite so I don't look on Thai P4P girls with contempt, in general. Of course there are P4P girls which I have contempt for but that is based on their individual behaviour.
Others are very nice girls that cannot find any alternative way to get enough money to support themselves and family, given a very mediocre education, or are simply out of work for a period. Some are even Uni girls whose parents cannot afford the girl's education costs.

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]I don't know where you guys find these "worthy" girls. Chances are they are acting all sweet, but after you make commitment #1 it is all over.[/QUOTE]Sorry. But, I think you have a fucked up attitude, probably from lack of anything but P4P experience. Certainly what you say applies to P4P girls and even some girls in a low-income bracket who, out of necessity are looking to augment their income in some way. But, it's been my experience that the right girls don't change attitude the minute they have you. I would hazzard a guess that I've probably had more experience than just about anyone on here when it comes to regular, non-P4P girls. So, I am well aware of the warning signs and what to avoid with the relatively small number who are after something.

There are loads of Thai girls who are honest, not after money, and who just want a relationship. But, within Thai culture, it is simply expected that a man will contribute something to the girl and/or her family. It's not gold-digging. It's just the way it is because it's a different culture. If one marries a TG, a dowry is expected, whether you're Thai or Farang. This is also part of the culture. I've had HiSo GFs who's family were loaded, but who still wanted me to take care of them in some way. It's a patriarchal society in which the man is seen as the provider. It's just that simple and not that different from Western culture 50 years ago.

Where it gets out of hand is usually with the poor, hapless Farang who falls for a scheming BG and literally buys her and her family the farm.
But, to tar all Thai women with the same brush because of this type of woman shows a complete lack of experience and understanding of Thai women and Thai culture.

It's been said time and again on here that there is a distinct difference between P4P and non-P4P and that difference needs to be understood. Above all, judging Thai women according to Western sensibilities is simply a faulty way of thinking.

Left Livingstone's this afternoon, to catch a 6.00 pm flight out. As I got into the taxi, I noticed his fuel gauge was as low as it could get. Using a combination of grunts and sign language, he indicates to me all was fine, and off Fangio went, tearing through the small sois of Bangkok at a mild 100 km / hour, or so it felt.

Getting close to the airport, this time, at 140, we go into the sweeping left turn, before the long straight away, which leads to the terminal. I can see the tower in the distance. (Did you know it is the tallest tower in the world? The resat of the airport is falling apart, but hey, there is a nice tower. YAWN)

And then, yes, horror of all horrors, the engine dies, he coasts to the side of the road, laughs stupidly, and sheepishly, says....." gas finish".

I can swear and curse pretty well in 3 different languages, unfortunately, Thai is not one of them. I get out, and just my luck, within a minute, another cab, his red light on, pulls up. I grab my bags, give the stranded driver 100 bt, (the meter was at 140), and hop into the new cab.

The remainder of the trip was uneventful.

Fun!

I was unaware of new visa restrictions put in place on 1 October 2006. The following is from asiatrav**tips.com. This may be old news for some, but I hope it helps others like me that were unaware of the new rules.

nocbj4me

Thailand Revises Visa Restrictions

In an attempt to gain greater knowledge of who is visiting Thailand and curb the amount of people working or living in the country without the correct visa or necessary permits, the Thai government has decided to enforce stricter new immigration policies beginning 1 October 2006.

Currently it is possible for nationals from 42 countries to enter Thailand without a visa for a 15 or 30 day period. These 'Permission to Enter (Visa Exemption)' stamps or 'Visa on Arrival', as they are also often known, are free of charge and can very simply be renewed by doing what is known as a visa run, or a border hop. This entails simply leaving the country, in some cases for as little as a few minutes, and then returning to get a new stamp.

The changes that will come into effect 1 October 2006, will allow nationals from 39 countries to remain in Thailand for no more than 90 days in a six month period. This means that someone who enters Thailand without a tourist visa provided by a consulate or embassy outside of Thailand, will be able to travel to Thailand as frequently as needed, as long as the amount of time spent in the country does not exceed 90 days from the date of the first arrival stamp. The arrival stamps remain, as now, at 15 or 30 days depending on nationality. Therefore, if a traveller were to try to spend more than 90 days in Thailand within a six month period, with for example, 3 back to back 30 days visa exemption stamps, then it is believed they would be refused entry and would have to remain outside the country for 90 days before being permitted to re-enter.

The changes have caused much confusion, and concern among frequent travellers to Thailand and those that are currently using the loophole to stay in Thailand indefinitely.

At press time, there had been no official statement as to how these revisions would be enforced, whether they are retroactive (although it is believed not), and how the Thai government will enlist the help of airlines bringing travellers to Thailand who have already spent more than 90 days in the country within the allotted time.

NoCBJ4me,

blue is reserved for Jackson !

It is really easy to encourage somebody to buy a pooying a house because it is not the money of all those that encourage the transaction. When it doen't work out and Erik is out of the cost of the house plus all the other additional stuff for the family , it makes for great conversation while out on a hash run, but when the lad is out the money and WORSE the pain of getting dogged and heart broken at the same time all those that sat back or encouraged it have lost nothing but have gained a story to tell over brunch at the Dusit. If you read between the lines you will note that the house is not bought yet but it looks like SOMEBODY, is already looking for an additional financial commitment. The big "WHAT IF" the house value goes down.

It might work if both were the same age and both are educated. But even then one must remember that while they have this down to a fine science we are just "babes in the woods". I know a woman that lived there for 5 years w/the IMF and nobody except contractors would end up bringing one back home as they were not well informed. She was the one that told me that they are like the Amish, only always looking for investors..I don't think there could be a better comparison. It is really easy to encourage somebody to go support somebody, buy a house or whatever because it isn't your money. This Erik seems like a decent lad to even consider it. I say pay for her college or something. You don't know how many time I have heard that same old noise about buying the pooying a house for a "save face for family" situation. Don't you get it? Then the pooying has a hold of some of your short hairs, just enough to discourage you from walking when things don't go right. She has a captive audience of a future investor. I don't have a f'd up attitude. I'm 63 and have been around long enough to see some dudes get hozed really bad. I have witnessed a nearly 100% failure rate with others. I'd keep a dumb country girl around if it was raining or really hot outside just to see what kind of nonsence she had going. Once a very pretty SOI 8 girl that seemed too classy to work there came home w/me. She was not dressed like a bargirl. She'd repeatedly climb on me and drill me unbagged. Would not sah-moke pole but was so pretty and had such a nice body I must have hit it 5 times. The next moring over brunch she's trying to get me to buy her kids school uniforms. Also she didn't eat and seemed methed out. I'd say "UNIFORMS? We just met and I paid you your money" ,"But we mek lub no kundum, she said" I'd say "OK, I buy uniforms if we go test you for HIV and you clean. Suddenly she is looking down at the ground in shame and getting up and scurrying away. CLOSE CALL? I was sweating bullets the next 3 months. More fun than watching TV, but that was not fun. One good friend just got dogged real bad by an ex that never worked the bars. He is not out financially as he sold the house right when she was hooking up with this high-roller, but she demands 1/2 the money for the house sale. He could tell by the way she behaved that something was not right. This guy paid for the college education for his ex's siblings and build the parents a house. 10's of thousands in hand outs. But the worst part is the emotional damage it did to him. Right now I am watching two guys naively caving in to the same old stuff. The mood swings didn't start until after the house was bought. Sure the girl at 7-11 will grab me and hand me the 1,000 bht note I just dropped on the floor, but they also ain't working the farhangs. There are some very honest ones. When that love bug bites and dudes get all warm and fuzzy from the soft little voice and being wai'd at all the time they don't think clearly. I am using strong lingo because I want to discourage people from getting chumped. I't really easy to write a one liner with the name of a lawyer that handles these transactions. I hear expats telling horror stories about other people with big smiles on their faces while they are getting gassed on their hash runs or whatever. Like they find it amusing that some guy just blew a ton of money. I only get 2 weeks twice a year and don't have time to play games. I would have left this alone and dropped out of this particular thread, until I saw Erik talk about the "what if" the house goes down in value? It reminded me of the time I bought this water heater at the Big C and 2 days later this bar girl is showing me a reciept for the top of the line one that she had exchanged the one I bought for her. She was asking me for the extra cost of the better one. I told he if she let me boom-boom her dtood. It was at this point I found out that some Thai girls like doing the butt thaing. That girl was diabolical, but that was chump change.

BuleDaddy,

you miss a very important point : Erik's initial approach was to HELP his GF, at least he said so.

Helping somebody means to gain no personal advantage !
But during the below discussion he admitted, that he doesn't simply want to help her as stated in his initial post, but rather intends to make her reliant on him so that she will stay with him. In case of a failure of the relationship he doesn't give shit about the problems he may have caused for her by "helping her" and simply walk away.

This is of course a completely different approach on the issue.


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...She'd repeatedly climb on me and drill me unbagged.
..."But we mek lub no kundum, she said"
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P.S. You demand that people should care much more and consider the risks involved, "but mek lub no kundum" ?

[QUOTE=The Traveler]BuleDaddy,

you miss a very important point : Erik's initial approach was to HELP his GF, at least he said so.

Helping somebody means to gain no personal advantage !
But during the below discussion he admitted, that he doesn't simply want to help her as stated in his initial post, but rather intends to make her reliant on him so that she will stay with him. In case of a failure of the relationship he doesn't give shit about the problems he may have caused for her by "helping her" and simply walk away.

This is of course a completely different approach on the issue.



P.S. You demand that people should care much more and consider the risks involved, "but mek lub no kundum" ?[/QUOTE]I sound militant in my approach but I'm watching two very straight up friends lay down and get railroaded. If I can prevent it happening to another person even if he is a stanger, I have done my good deed for the day. The no condom thing is just another pooying scam. Like I owed these women (who probably were both infected) something extra for jumping on my johnson while it is unbagged. That was several year was back when I had melanoma, drank more and thought I was going to die anyway. They probably wanted to add more members to their club. Don't get me wrong, I love SE Asia and always have a blast, but I'm often stepping in trying to prevent people from getting scammed, like 5 drunk marines getting a $400 bar bill on Soi 8 across from that ATM machine. When I started breaking it down and did the math the bar halved the bill. Somebody is going to kill me some day for stuff like that.

Thanks ain to everyone for your opinions. I cannot sum up the different options exposed here, there are too many, but I do take on board some of them. As for the two or three last posts, can I state :
- If the girl cheats on me or something and we break in a bad dispute, no I won't give a shit of what will hapen to her, her house can be repossessed it won't be my problem.
- If we just separate because time passing it appears that we are too different or mutual feeling have gone by, yes I would care about her fate. In that case, I did mention that she could resale the house to pay back the mortgage, but also, if the value of the propoerty has gone down, she could consider renting it so the rent covers the mortgage, couldn't she ?

I might desapoint some of you, but after reading all the posts and seriously weighing them, at this stage of my reflexion, I still plan to go ahead with this idea of helping her to purchase her own house, under her name. ( Blue Daddy, I have also been paying for her English courses and I encourage her to read books so she gets more general knowledge. Then, I ask her questions about the content of the book, to make it a subject of discussion and an opprtunity for sharing ideas.)
I am now clear about the fact that with her small salary and my doubtful payments, she would have difficulty to find a bank for the mortgage. So phase B of the plan is now to put together, she and me, some money every month onto her saving account, to build up an amount and show the bank her seriousness. That is also an excuse for me to slow down the process of purchase. I antipate that in ten months time, "we" will have reached maybe a third of the amount required for the minimum deposit (is it usually 20 per % ?) and if I decide to go ahead with her, I will put the other two third. Then she buys the house and we will go on the same way with the monthly repayments. I insist that she has to put her share of her own money in the house, becuse that makes her house a more personnal effort, commiitment, not just a gift from a farang. I believe that concretly paves the way for her to eventually reach what she calls "a good life", her favorite expression. How about that ?

Gentlemen, there is no need to counsel Erik on this topic he has clearly been Whooped! The LOS (or the WWF for you red necks) has laid the smack down.

He is now in the process of pulling the wool over his own eyes, and there is absolutely nothing any one can say or do to clear his vision. Unfortunately we all have seen at least one personal acquaintance go down like this, LACK OF HEAD SPACE & TIMING! Some of us have even been through this very thing?

We are going to pull for you! Because we all still have a little kid inside of us wishing upon a star. LOL

Really, I hope it works out because i hate sad stories.