Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2290507]Have to agree 100% with this perspective.

Trust me there are plenty more guys that have done worse shit. How do you think 7 / 10 prostitutes are single mothers?

There is nothing wrong with face pics IMHO. There are plenty of folks who post face pics. Same goes for "stolen moment" pics. How do you know it is not a screen grab from a video that was filmed with consent? I am certain he is not the first guy sending away a girl because she was not visually appealing. Sure, I may have personal views that are different. But it is the BM's right to post as he feels. There is an Administrator to decide it is appropriate or not.[/QUOTE]Sure. I am not saying that we should censor his posts. And yes there are worse guys on the planet. That doesn't change the fact that I think his behavior is douchey. And I am glad I am granted the freedom to say so. I know that tigers can't change their stripes and hoping they will is futile. But I think sometimes people should step back and examine their behavior (me included!) and we may sometimes conclude "damn. That was a shitty thing to do. " And perhaps make a slight change to our future actions. Maybe a vain hope. But it is my hope nonetheless.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2290419] I also pointed out that she was 'apparently' a virgin! It could all have been a hoax. The only reason that I didn't go through with it was the obvious emotional attachment that may arise. I believe that this is relevant to the board, considering that other punters may find themselves in a similar situation, using the online avenues I did. As much as I am guilty of wording the reports in a non-typical and more descriptive approach, my point was quite simple, if a punter finds himself in a situation with a virgin, maybe think twice especially if there will be no further commitment from his part thereafter.

The way I look at it, I was never disrespectful nor did I hurt her in anyway. If anything, she got to travel to the capital city, go around shopping and seeing attractions, spend a night there, and head back home without spending a cent. She sent me photos of her at Siam Paragon and MBK, 2 places she wanted to visit. We're still friends on Line, and chat occasionally.[/QUOTE]Based on the conversation you described, you are the hunter but I can see you could become hunted at some point if you go thru with it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290577]That doesn't change the fact that I think his behavior is douchey.[/QUOTE]Maybe rewording my entire story would sound less 'douchey' in your books Steve. It would go something like this.

Met a girl that I had chatted to from TF at a coffee shop. She arrived from Uthai Thani to meet me in Bkk at my expense. An okay looking girl and a apparently a virgin. We had discussed having sex on our chats. She was really happy to finally meet me, but her constant mention of love, a relationship and meeting her family, got to me. I decided I couldn't go through with this, so I made up an excuse to leave, gave her enough money to stay the night in BKK, shop and travel home the next day. Is that better Steve?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290577] "damn. That was a shitty thing to do." [/QUOTE]Perhaps if I went through with having sex with her and claiming her virginity, promising to meet her family and ensuring that I would continue a distant relationship with her, all the while whispering sweet words of love in her ear, but as soon as the 2 nights were over and she left, I blocked her and ended all contact with her, and you said that was 'a shitty thing to do' I would agree 100%.

However, meeting a girl for the first time and not being happy with an emotional attachment that may arise (catching feelings) if we had to have sex, knowing that my intention was purely sexual but not her's, then giving her money for her troubles is certainly not a shitty thing to do, I believe it was the right thing to do.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290577] "damn. That was a shitty thing to do."[/QUOTE]IMO these are 'shitty' things to do and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular:

1. Having a wife that you apparently love, took vows with, have kids with, but she doesn't know that you sleep with prostitutes, post about it on a forum, then go home and kiss her like nothing happened. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.

2. Having sex with poor prostitutes and offering them extra money for BBFS because it 'feels' better but endangers the girl, yourself, your wife and future punters. I think that's pretty 'shitty' and pretty selfish.

3. Knowingly having an STD, not doing anything about it, but still punting for BBFS without concern for the lady's medical bills or her well being. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.

But if me paying a girl for no sex is 'douchy' and a 'shitty' thing to do, then I must apologise for not conforming to the norm Steve.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2290619]Maybe rewording my entire story would sound less 'douchey' in your books Steve. It would go something like this.

Met a girl that I had chatted to from TF at a coffee shop. She arrived from Uthai Thani to meet me in Bkk at my expense. An okay looking girl and a apparently a virgin. We had discussed having sex on our chats. She was really happy to finally meet me, but her constant mention of love, a relationship and meeting her family, got to me. I decided I couldn't go through with this, so I made up an excuse to leave, gave her enough money to stay the night in BKK, shop and travel home the next day. Is that better Steve?

Perhaps if I went through with having sex with her and claiming her virginity, promising to meet her family and ensuring that I would continue a distant relationship with her, all the while whispering sweet words of love in her ear, but as soon as the 2 nights were over and she left, I blocked her and ended all contact with her, and you said that was 'a shitty thing to do' I would agree 100%.

However, meeting a girl for the first time and not being happy with an emotional attachment that may arise (catching feelings) if we had to have sex, knowing that my intention was purely sexual but not her's, then giving her money for her troubles is certainly not a shitty thing to do, I believe it was the right thing to do.

IMO these are 'shitty' things to do and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular:

1. Having a wife that you apparently love, took vows with, have kids with, but she doesn't know that you sleep with prostitutes, post about it on a forum, then go home and kiss her like nothing happened. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.

2. Having sex with poor prostitutes and offering them extra money for BBFS because it 'feels' better but endangers the girl, yourself, your wife and future punters. I think that's pretty 'shitty' and pretty selfish.

3. Knowingly having an STD, not doing anything about it, but still punting for BBFS without concern for the lady's medical bills or her well being. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.

But if me paying a girl for no sex is 'douchy' and a 'shitty' thing to do, then I must apologise for not conforming to the norm Steve.[/QUOTE]Easy enough to ignore me, but instead you wrote a considered response. I appreciate that. And thanks to all forum guys who make for interesting dialog. And always thanks to all the WGs, especially those that make us believe it's real for an hour. Hats off to them.

[QUOTE=Hack351;2290528]Best way to ask a "normal girl" (7-11, coffee house, etc) worker if they do ST or LT without offending them? I see her often on Holiday so don't want to make it weird if she don't.[/QUOTE]Why not ask her out like a normal person? Why try to make everyone out to be hookers?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2290698]Why not ask her out like a normal person? Why try to make everyone out to be hookers?[/QUOTE]That would be my recommendation too. But chances are very good that it will turn into some form of P4P anyway if the girl inserts into the conversation how strapped for cash she is, that her family needs money, her baby needs clothes or whatever. Not meaning that she is a hooker exactly or that he is only a customer. It is just a reality of life and imo fair for a man who is boffing an extremely low income girl to give her a gift (money) to "help her family" or to "buy her baby new clothes."

And it is entirely possible she will refuse an offer of money. It happens. But if the "gift" offer is made as close as possible to her mentioning how low on cash she is then it will be a natural response to what she just said and he should not be worried about having insulted her out of the blue.

If the idea is he really doesn't want to have a dating relationship with the girl and only wants to fuck, pay and leave (or her to leave), then he will need to tighten up the spaces between Hello, My Baby Need Clothes, I Can Help You, The Fuck Session, Here Let Me Help You and Bye (until next time). LOL.

Personally, I think the instant the girl mentions anything about needing money it is game on with that sequence of events and she will appreciate the speed and efficiency with which the man grasped the situation and acted on it rather than feel insulted by it.

My experience anyway. YMMV.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2290734]That would be my recommendation too. But chances are very good that it will turn into some form of P4P anyway if the girl inserts into the conversation how strapped for cash she is, that her family needs money, her baby needs clothes or whatever. Not meaning that she is a hooker exactly or that he is only a customer. It is just a reality of life and imo fair for a man who is boffing an extremely low income girl to give her a gift (money) to "help her family" or to "buy her baby new clothes."

And it is entirely possible she will refuse an offer of money. It happens. But if the "gift" offer is made as close as possible to her mentioning how low on cash she is then it will be a natural response to what she just said and he should not be worried about having insulted her out of the blue.

If the idea is he really doesn't want to have a dating relationship with the girl and only wants to fuck, pay and leave (or her to leave), then he will need to tighten up the spaces between Hello, My Baby Need Clothes, I Can Help You, The Fuck Session, Here Let Me Help You and Bye (until next time). LOL.

Personally, I think the instant the girl mentions anything about needing money it is game on with that sequence of events and she will appreciate the speed and efficiency with which the man grasped the situation and acted on it rather than feel insulted by it.

My experience anyway. YMMV.[/QUOTE]OK, that's the avenue I thought to take. I just wasn't sure if there was a shortcut to P4P conversation.

1 more question before I arrive. My last trip I came back with both chlamydia and gonorrhea. I like BB too much I don't care about the shot in the ass or the 2 horse pills they give you but I don't want to be judged by my primary care Dr. Is there something I could buy at a pharmacy or a clinic the day I go back to ward off any possibilities? I'll be in Pattaya.

In November I posted about a girl who went on holiday with a farang who didn't pay the agreed 30,000 baht fee. This is the friend of one of my Thaifriendly girls. Older girl who is a bit chunky, not pretty.

Today I asked how the girlfriend was doing financially. It turns out that getting stiffed by the farang convinced her to start a new way of dealing with farang men. She basically finds farang men on Thaifriendly and Thaiflirting. She spends hours each night video chatting with these men, telling them how much she cares for them and doing video masturbations. After a few days of sucking them in she tells them her financial problems. Can't pay rent. Can't pay kids' tuition. Can't pay power bill. Sometimes she makes plans to meet them in Bangkok, but says she doesn't have money to buy travel things (clothes, suitcase, etc.). She now has several men sending money to her. Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it. She has no intentions of meeting any of these farang men, just wants to collect their pity money. I'm surprised she is successful at this, she speaks almost zero English.

I suspect this is a pretty standard Thai girl scheme for money.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2299080]She now has several men sending money to her. Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it.[/QUOTE]I have said before that women have told me they do not ask for anything, guys just force it upon them. No surprise when reading reports of guys being with chicks that don't even want money but they sneak it into their bags or tell them to buy something for their child or whatever. I remember when I first started going to Philippines and posted about fucking normal women and not having to give them anything. I was ridiculed by guys saying you are supposed to give them something anyway. Talking about they are just shy to ask. I have met plenty of chicks that have not been shy to ask, so if they need it that bad then I am sure they would ask. Besides, if they keep coming back over and over for even years sometimes and you have not given them anything, then that theory has lost its wind.

I am of the school of not giving them shit, that way I know who is with me for me and who is with me because they want money and other tangible goods. I pay hookers. I don't pay or "help" chicks that claim not to be a hooker. We can go out and live it up and take trips together, but no dough! Hell, she made it all these years without my money, why would she need it now?

At the beginning of last month I spent some time with a chick who works at a clinic in Colombia. Two weeks after, she told me that she wanted me to get her a phone just like mine. She saw how I could take pictures in the water at the beach and all. Samsung Note 9. $1000. I told her no. She has not said a word to me since.

As I write this a chick is just leaving my room. She works at the cable company in Pattaya. She has been over here a million times, usually late at night and she gets up for work early the next day. This morning she was asking if I had a girl over here because there is hair in the bathroom that is not hers. She said but she is not mad. This chick had never asked me for anything until one minute ago when she asked me to give her money to get food. I went and got my wallet and gave her 200 baht. She thanked me and I walked her out.

Big difference between the two chicks. And I would say big difference between me and a lot of other mongers. I have friends though that do the same shit and they should definitely know better. A while back a married friend that has mongered all over the world was talking about sending a Pattaya bar girl monthly remittances because it seemed she really wanted better for her life. I don't know if he ever started doing it, but that is the kind of shit going on out there.

Another chick that I mess with told me a gang of stories about guys. She said one guy told her the next time he comes he is going to buy her some land. She said she does not know if he is telling the truth or not, but last time gave her 50,000 baht for staying with him for 10 days. Meanwhile I gave her 1200 baht for staying with me about 18 hours.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2299112]I have friends though that do the same shit and they should definitely know better. A while back a married friend that has mongered all over the world was talking about sending a Pattaya bar girl monthly remittances because it seemed she really wanted better for her life. I don't know if he ever started doing it, but that is the kind of shit going on out there.

Another chick that I mess with told me a gang of stories about guys. She said one guy told her the next time he comes he is going to buy her some land. She said she does not know if he is telling the truth or not, but last time gave her 50,000 baht for staying with him for 10 days. Meanwhile I gave her 1200 baht for staying with me about 18 hours.[/QUOTE]Yup.

In the province I live in Isan the stories I hear and have heard from current providers, retired ones and their family members reflect these comments.

I see the land, houses and new Isuzu the-Max's from "Lor Falang with good heart" money daily.

If you have nothing better to do with your coin good on you. Your Bar girls husbands, boyfriends and family are living it up and need more.

Having skimmed the posts, I would like to ask if folk can help me put int a TV proposal. Basically there are TV shows where the crew look at shoddy workmanship alleged handymen or tradesmen did on buildings and how they over charged for same. The show then gets a professional crew in to fix up the damage, usually gratis.

I would pitch as follows: We get guys who have been done over and shaken down by the hookers of Thailand and the Philippines. After hearing their sob stories, then we send in the happy brigade, seasoned hookers to give them what they need on the house. We could have an are and X rated version of this show. Sponsors would not be an issue. Takers?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2299080]

Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it. She has no intentions of meeting any of these farang men, just wants to collect their pity money. I'm surprised she is successful at this, she speaks almost zero English.

I suspect this is a pretty standard Thai themgirl scheme for money.[/QUOTE]This is chicken shit money for many mongers, so I suspect they don't really care. It's just a bit of light amusement for them and makes them feel good. No harm. Mongers are not going to go poor and girls aren't going to get rich. Each benefits a little, so let it continue!

I can understand Mr E's approach to payment, but me and many mongers feel better if we give the girls some money.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2299295]This is chicken shit money for many mongers, so I suspect they don't really care. It's just a bit of light amusement for them and makes them feel good. No harm. Mongers are not going to go poor and girls aren't going to get rich. Each benefits a little, so let it continue!

I can understand Mr E's approach to payment, but me and many mongers feel better if we give the girls some money.[/QUOTE]Giving them money for nothing ruins a perfectly good working girl and will change the relationship you have with her forever. Honeslty, you're hiring them for a job. They view you as a customer, so view them as you would any service provider.

A very wise monger I know goes so far as to pay them per session at the usual rate even when he takes them on a trip (pays for the trip as well). He'll also "loan" gals he's known for a time up to two sessions worth of money. But that loan is paid with the next two sessions.

Sorry, sending money to a working girl, whether you can afford it or not and no matter how it makes you "feel" , wins you no real favors. In fact, it makes you a mark in the gal's eye. It means she no longer has to earn. Your giving it for free. And she will never give it for free.

The conversation on getting it for free amuses me. Those members who argue for it being perfectly acceptable are the same members who regularly glorify in paying the girls less than scale. Wrapping it up in self-serving justification waffle is a snow job. Let's call it out for what it is, it's simply being cheap and worse in some cases taking advantage of mostly vulnerable impressionable uneducated girls. I accept there is not the occasional genuine boy meets girl romance but come on guys don't be a cheap charlie pay the lady or leave the bed.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2299129]Having skimmed the posts, I would like to ask if folk can help me put int a TV proposal. Basically there are TV shows where the crew look at shoddy workmanship alleged handymen or tradesmen did on buildings and how they over charged for same. The show then gets a professional crew in to fix up the damage, usually gratis.

I would pitch as follows: We get guys who have been done over and shaken down by the hookers of Thailand and the Philippines. After hearing their sob stories, then we send in the happy brigade, seasoned hookers to give them what they need on the house. We could have an are and X rated version of this show. Sponsors would not be an issue. Takers?[/QUOTE]I'll help and I have TV experience.