Moscow

Hi Folks

I am in Mosco currently on a busines trip, and having been at NF and other places, this time I need something where I can meet girls at their place since I can not bring them back to the hotel. Does anyone know a good location or place, especially as well for daytime?

Thx

Doc, you are absolutly right...but I'm not unhappy with the options which are left in our days!

The only thing which has changed for me is spending the money for restaurant or clubs instead directly for the chicken!

And really I still state Moscow as a paradise....do you remember the 2,10m tall girl which picked me after 3 hours fun in PZ???

Or the one who picked you by asking you "are you handsome" so lets go??


I learned that it's easier to get picked by a drunken teen then searching for the ultimative pro!

Just coming back from a amazing week....and will continue soon

Shos

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]"All I learned is Moscow is overrated for mongering.
its not the place that was 5 years ago.

If you want to know how it was go to Minsk or Kiev. "

Bez is right, neither Minsk nor Kiev are time machines back to Moscow 5 years ago... The Golden Age of FSU Mongering is long since over ... or for the die-hards who don't give up easily, it has become a question of creativity...[/QUOTE]

You are the first guy who is asking if you can take out a girl from Hotel???

[QUOTE=Titurel]In the last three years I tried several escort services. All experiences were so and so. Girls from 6-max. 8 - routined, professional, sometimes tired.

Once I found the time to visit a girl in a apartment (1905 - found on dosug. Nu - clubs/salons). Young girl - not a beauty (5) - ready to please in every way BUT also ready for everything without condom.

I wonder if I could take the girls in Ukraina out of the hotel? Any (good) experiences on board?

Where can I find really young aged (non silicone) beautiful girls even for high prices? Only in nightclubs?[/QUOTE]

Shos:

I agree with you... for me personally, Moscow is still the easiest place for freebies.

Yeah, I remember your 2,10m girl... one of the most impressive physical specimens I have ever seen... :) I also remember that she was being hit on by a Russian guy and left with you... so you scored one for the home team.. :)

As for my "ty krasivy?" girl, I also remember the 2 Ukrainians I was trying to get to go home with me when little blondie came in and asked me "are you handsome?" I said, "da, ochen" and left with her within about a minute... leaving the dumbfounded indecisive Ukrainians at the bar alone... my second fastest club pull ever.

Hope to hear from you soon!

I definately agree that Moscow must be the best place fot freebees. It's so much money here now that some of the dyevs even insist on paying for drinks and fun.
After I learned some basic russian I hardly never use pros. And also more and more young girls speak some english.

Generally, if You have time, I would recommend the freebee-scene. Girls are very self confident, horny and definately know what they want. And they still like foreigners, to practice both sex and english.

But fortunately the pro scene is still very well developed. Very convenient if you don't have time to go out and pull, or you just want some quick and easy no-strings-attached sex. And honestly you can still strike gold with pros. I even met pros that don't wanna go home because they want more sex. And no extra charge.

Agreed Fineart, very well put. Hope we can hookup in Moscow to go trawling and bar crawling together. Would be great if some Moscow iconic bar-hopping pros like Shos and Richard Cabro could join us.

One the craziest things that happened to me was banging a gorgeous 20ish dyev who is so rich that she has a bodyguard and a chaffeur... always picks me up in new cars, last time a huge BMW 745i, fucks me for a while and gets driven away by her bodyguards. I always walk her to her car afterwards and enjoy the looks the bodyguard opening the door for her gives me... every time afterwards I ask myself "why me?" and then a few minutes later shower, get redressed and head out into the night looking for something new...

I love banging pros too, sometimes paying is the simplest and most appropriate solution (especially for businessmen), but sometimes the "call of the wild" gets me and I have to find something new, to hunt and devour a new freebie girl from a club. maybe I'm making up for lost time and the girls I DIDN'T have back in high school.

Kiev, St.Pete... great places with their own special flavor that I love in their own way... the sheer overwhelming beauty of Ukrainian girls and the intellectual character, natural class and sexual desire of passionately cool and eternally gloomy St.Pete women...

...but Moscow still is the place with the most energy and the wildest women I've ever known. I've met so many young girls that love to party and feel the NEED to party, because they are so afraid of missing out on something in their youth. If you can "kidnap" one of these vixens from a boring day or night and show them a good, fun and exciting time, it almost always pays off with affection and sex. And another great thing about the students... when you are twice their age and you still look good and classy or cool, they love to go out with you where you can show them off, they can show you off, yet most still don't expect anything more than a casual affair. There is the risk of stomping on a heart or two, but that's life and the nature of love and affection, win some lose some.

I personally never make promises, always make them know that it's not more than an affair... almost all accept it for what it us and go for it anyway, others are saving themselves for a serious man and we end it... which is fine by me. I've dealt with crying girls, crazy moms and angry dads enough already. :)

Thats an idea doc. Whereabout are you in Moscow? I'm southwest, close to the university.

Hey Skank,

Glad to see you're winning the war on both fronts - UKR and Rossiya. You consistently demonstrate that confidence, cultural knowledge and a can-do attitude bring big rewards.

I'm planning a big trip to Moscow - I've never been before - next April to coincide with the UK Easter break. I'm thinking of doing it 'oligarch style': staying at the Hotel Ararat, splurging on the champagne in clubs and generally playing it large - something I could probably manage for 3 days :D. Would this approach work with Moscow girls? Or are they generally well-paid enough not to care that much?

I've heard it's pretty tough to get into the best clubs - lots of the dreaded 'Feis Kontrol', with being a Westener not really counting for much. Are the 'elite' clubs (I've heard names like Propaganda, Gazgolder and Fabrique bandied about) necessarily the best for scoring with freebies? Is sitting in the VIP section particularly important? And, where do you get the cute student types - I guess, the equivalent of 112 and PaTiPa in Kiev? It's the just-arrived-in-moscow-broke-but-want-to-have-a-good-time type that I'm really after ;)

Well, if the freebies don't materialise there's always NightFlight and Boarhouse - but I'm not just looking to repeat the River Palace experience in a more expensive place :) How do these places in reality compare to the boat?

I've heard that the one respect in which Moscow greatly outclasses Kiev is strip clubs - they're plentiful, good value/quality and allow take home. I think I remember Mister XXX being particularly highly recommended. Any thoughts on this?

If you're around then, we've got to meet up and do a spot of sharking. BTW I heard you and Alphamale had a good time in Kiev and came across Oxana (an RP girl I tried) in PaTiPa - did you get a chance to spend some time with her? She's a real cracker, very sweet and obliging, and speaks no English.

2.10m = 6'9'' !!!

Did she have big hands? And feet? :)

I've heard of scoring big, but this really takes the biscuit.

Fineart:

I don't live in Moscow, just visit regularly. I almost always live on Tverskaya. Will definitely contact you before my next trip in a couple of weeks.

Ash1001:

You've researched Moscow pretty well! Oligarch style is a good approach, although I still recommend apartments. But if you are going to stay in hotels, Ararat is a good choice, location-wise as well. A few nice clubs right in that area. If you are going to splurge, it's going to cost you a fortune though. Champagne and VIP will set you back $$$ in the good clubs. You'll surely get attention, but I have no experience personally if this is your meal ticket to Pussy Buffett. I usually don't "oligarch"... :) If you are planning on oligarching, you might be better off just finding a girl to sponsor for $400/12 hours and fuck the shit out of her as opposed to making the club owners richer.

Of the clubs you mentioned, actually only Gazgolder is elite. Prop and Fabrique are clubs frequented by local expats as well and therefore they only have mild face control. The top clubs in Moscow now are Opera, Dagilev and First.

There is no 112 in Moscow, the closest being Karma Bar... i.e. a club where almost only foreigners go. There are some excellent cocktail bars in Moscow however, lots of expats there too... and cute girls like these palces, usually girls 23-30... some of these type establishments purposely face control girls 18-22 and don't let them in. All in all Kiev does have a different flair as compared to Moscow. There are many mid-level clubs in Moscow that are excellent sources for talent. Many many well-reputed clubs I have never been to simply because there isn't time to go to them all. Fresh, Lionheart, Slava to name a few.

There aren't many tourists in Moscow, in fact you'll never notice any except around Red Square. They don't factor into club life at all, except at Prop and Karma. The expats living in Moscow are almost all businessmen and behave a bit differently than tourists in Kiev who have "desperate for sex" written all over them.

Internet is a good source of women for Moscow.

NightFlight is superior to the Boat in almost every way in my opinion. RP MIGHT have a SLIGHTLY higher level of girl in terms of beauty, but NF girls are more human than the robotic cash-sucking machines at RP. It's not as brutal in its nature as RP where you are constantly reminded that you are only a wallet. Boarhouse has to be experienced to be understood. Some love it, others hate it. Been there too many times already myself. Girls less stunning than NF or RP and plenty of trolls, but a good shopper can pull some gems out of there.

Strip clubs are a great option if you have lots of cash, but I hear MisterXXX wasnt so great recently. I'm not a strip club expert though, so I can't really say.

I met Alphamale in Kiev and had a great time going out, actually I was at language school that whole week. Didn't meet Oxana... actually only took one pro that week, from the internet. $100/2 hours... a 7. Pulled one freebie from Silvers and one from Kaif (yes, it reopened) and one from the internet. Struck out at PaTiPa and 112. Was a bad time to be in Kiev actually in terms of women. Tons of foreigners and few girls, they were all on holiday somewhere.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Agreed Fineart, very well put. Hope we can hookup in Moscow to go trawling and bar crawling together. Would be great if some Moscow iconic bar-hopping pros like Shos and Richard Cabro could join us.

Would love to hook up with you guys but I’ve just left Moscow after a brief but educational (hehe) sojourn.

Spent last weekend in SPB – not a lot to report. Saturday night at Rossi and Sunday evening at one of the Photomodeli establishments that are well covered in the SPb forum.

Monday I moved to Moscow and to ensure that I did not return to the Black Hole (aka CF) I had planned something fairly radical for me – I imported a GF to Moscow. Now this seems pretty dumb, like taking wood to the forest or selling sand to the Arabs but it just kind of happened.

A few months ago I was in a disco bar in a provincial town in Belarus and met quite a cute girl. A few weeks later she sent me an email and after a couple of email exchanges she asked when we could meet again. The only option on the horizon was Moscow so she bought a ticket and joined me.

In fact she arrived before me and when I checked into the hotel the room was lit by candles and covered in rose petals. I think I kissed this girl once 4 months earlier and 30 seconds into our second date the clothes were off. Now, I’m no Brad Pitt (or Harrison Ford for that matter), yet here is a regular girl from Belarus on her first visit to Moscow planning and executing the seduction of a guy she hardly knows. Does this happen anywhere else in the world?

The sex was only interrupted for a couple of hours whilst we went out to Shanty for some Thai food. Tuesday we did a bit of tourist stuff and went to Pushkin Café for dinner.

Wednesday things went pear shaped. I had some business to take care of and the GF joined my clients and me for dinner. We drank a lot of vodka, she didn’t. At some point in the evening she returned to the hotel to go to sleep, not a happy bunny. I let her go as, after just 2 days together, I was staring to feel a little claustrophobic and smothered. It’s not only the sex that’s intense with these girls. When the lecture started on how to conduct my business meeting (ie; don’t drink vodka) I knew the game was up.

I didn’t return to my hotel until Thursday afternoon by which time my GF had departed for Belarus. Where had I been? The Black Hole of course, and then to my clients apartment for a party with Alla and Victoria, both $300 each for the night.

Way to be a wild man RC!

Do hope we can all hook up in the near future and have an ISG night out...

Haven't been to CF/the Black Hole in a while... I can hear it calling me... :)

This girl is a freebie I've posted before...

Many thanks for all that info. I agree that staying in your own apartment is definitely a better bet for the frequent visitor in terms of the freedom it gives you. It's just that as a total Moscow newbie, I'd feel safer in a hotel with reception staff to - in theory - help you.

What sort apartment do you get for your money in Tverskaya Street? I usually stay somewhere really nice (that's if you ignore the common areas :)) and central in Kiev for not more than $100 a night, but I would imagine Moscow to be *much* pricier than that. Is that the case?

I'm actually quite keen on the cocktail bar scene as opposed to loud nightclubs, as there is far more opportunity to talk. Which bars have the best talent and atmosphere?

The idea of sponsoring a girl for the week end does sound interesting - although you would be stuck with her for the whole time! Is this something you'd set up via the internet? Have you tried it?

I wonder how much a long term sponsorship arrangement would cost, and how you'd go about arranging it. With the sort of $ sloshing around Moscow at the moment, you're probably looking at thousands per month for a model quality girl. Unless, of course, she actually *likes* you :)

Ash:

The quality of apartment in Moscow is lower than Kiev and there are far fewer available. Kiev really does have good value apartments available. Moscow apartments usually seem to be imperfect. I know, I've stayed in most of the advertised ones at one point or another... :)

A good (but usually not great) centrally located (Tverskaya) apartment in Moscow usually costs about $150/night or more.

If comfort and flash are of primary concern, a 5* hotel might be the better bet. Plan on $400/night for a hotel though, Ararat maybe even more.

I'll PM you with cocktail bar info, but can't guarantee they'll be quiet places you can talk comfortably in... :)

An upper tier sponsor girl costs about $3000-5000/month or more. I've even been quoted more than $10,000+ before for absolute top drawer girls. One girl even quoted $10,000/HOUR and she wouldn't admit she's kidding. Only an oligarch or Arabian prince could pay that.

A weekend (2 nights and an afternoon) with an upper tier girl would probably be about $1000+, or $500+/24 hours. I usually got quoted $500 "...and I'm yours".... this meaning about 16 hours. Sponsorship girls are generally looking for long-term arrangements and if its only short-term they charge accordingly. Top girls are also selective with whom they are seen. They can't go to the same top clubs every weekend with different guys otherwise soon they will lose their rep and market value.

If you only need the night (8 hours or so) $300 will usually get the job done. True amateurs might go for less. I am meeting a girl in St.Pete in 2 weeks for $50... we'll see how that goes... :)

All the above prices are approximate. It's all about negotiation. Lesser cute girls can cost a bit less. Girls who think more of themselves cost more. Sponsorship can be arranged via internet and then in a personal meeting. A lot of the top girls are looking for sponsors, including some girls in the top elite clubs. I've never done any long-term sponsorship since it doesn't suit my purposes, but it is an intruiging option. Short-term sponsorship is simply prostitution and a viable alternative to NF, CF, internet girls or salons. You can make seperate arrangements to meet outside the club with NF or CF girls as well, strippers same story. Strippers are a good option too, if money is no object.

IT Travel has written a lot on sponsorship and is more experienced than I in that market, check out the reports of distinction section...

A guide recommands this company for short-term apartment rental in Moscow :

[url]http://www.flatlink.ru/menu_left/short_term_apart_m_eng.htm[/url]

I don't know about the exact locations of all the apartments displayed on this site, but the rates for a studio or a one-bedroom apartment are in the 90 €-120 €/day price range.

Some are discounted to 65 €/day for longer stays of three weeks and more, and seem confortable enough. Those attractive rates make me consider seriously a few weeks stay in Moscow.

Hope this help.