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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2028351]Yes some girls will sit for a long time and not push you for drinks. I usually reward those girls at the end of the night with a 200 baht tip or whatever change I have coming back to me[/QUOTE]Don't forget to mention all the girls asking for a tip when you pay your tab and the change comes.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2028354]They have a monthly quota of lady drinks to fulfill.
Feels like you have put a lot of thought into circumventing the system in order to "scam" the bar out of $1 USD.
SL.[/QUOTE]Good point. Sounds like the first phrase I should learn how to say in Thai is, "No, I am a Cheap Charlie!" Haha.
I have no problem paying the girls well. I just don't like the idea of paying a bar for a bunch of unwanted drinks. I am just used to other countries where we pay one admission fee that covers all facility use, unlimited food, and other amenities. I suppose I just need to get used to the idea of paying for a bunch of stupid drinks whether I want them or not.
I mean the bar is going to get a bar fine out of me if I take one of their girls -- this I am happy to pay. But I am reluctant / resistant to the idea of paying for a bunch of drinks. Maybe I am just use too used to the way they do things in other countries.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2028354]They have a monthly quota of lady drinks to fulfill.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Although the girl will appreciate the guy slipping her 100 baht on the side instead of buying her a first or second Lady Drink, when a deal has been struck for barfine take-out the girl might very well and often will still ask the guys trying this method to please buy her 1-2 Lady Drinks before they leave to help her satisfy that quota. That is the moment he will need to decide if his saying no will spoil the lovey-dovey chemistry established for that take-out, go along with her last second request or cancel the whole thing and move on. That's a lot of risk in order to save a buck or two.
We've all probably thought of it and tried some variation of it to varying success. I've even had great success here and there by cutting out the Lady Drink bit all together and just negotiated a take-out without buying a Lady Drink at all. Or even a drink for myself! LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2028375]Exactly. Although the girl will appreciate the guy slipping her 100 baht on the side instead of buying her a first or second Lady Drink, when a deal has been struck for barfine take-out the girl might very well and often will still ask the guys trying this method to please buy her 1-2 Lady Drinks before they leave to help her satisfy that quota. That is the moment he will need to decide if his saying no will spoil the lovey-dovey chemistry established for that take-out by saying no, go along with her last second request or cancel the whole thing and move on. That's a lot of risk in order to save a buck or two.
We've all probably thought of it and tried some variation of it to varying success. I've even had great success here and there by cutting out the Lady Drink bit all together and just negotiated a take-out without buying a Lady Drink at all. Or even a drink for myself! LOL.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't the promise of a tip for good service make up for the lack of enthusiasm for buying a lady drink? Personally, I refuse to buy more than one drink. I like to spend some time getting to know the girl I intend to bring back to the hotel for sex, and a few hundred baht seems like a small price to pay. If I decide to bar fine the lady, no more drinks seem necessary (to me). Certainly the girl is making more money with ST or LT than she will earn on a few lady drinks.
It is essentially because of the bar fine system and the lady drink quotas that I prefer bars with FL girls and the soapies to the go-go bars.
[QUOTE=Forest;2028379]Wouldn't the promise of a tip for good service make up for the lack of enthusiasm for buying a lady drink? Personally, I refuse to buy more than one drink. I like to spend some time getting to know the girl I intend to bring back to the hotel for sex, and a few hundred baht seems like a small price to pay. If I decide to bar fine the lady, no more drinks seem necessary (to me). Certainly the girl is making more money with ST or LT than she will earn on a few lady drinks.
It is essentially because of the bar fine system and the lady drink quotas that I prefer bars with FL girls and the soapies to the go-go bars.[/QUOTE]In a Soapy, the Management is getting a high portion of the fee. In a bar you know how much the management is taking roughly in the barfine and the drinks. The girl gets all of what you pay her. An MP has a component for the management as well. So really the BF is not the reason you avoid bars, logically.
The true reason you avoid the bar, is because the girl price is higher than you want to pay, and because you are bored in there, or you don't know if the girl is a dud. Soapy girl can be a dud just as easily, in fact even more easily for customers like me.
In Ocean, you can pay as little as 1700, from which the girl might get only 800. So 900 to the management, plus any drinks. The reason you take this, is because the girl gets so little. Annies is another example where management gets a high portion of the fee. It's probably similar at all Soapies. Plenty of Oily girls are making about 1200 or 1300 per customer (the girls lose something out of the 1500 you pay them). Freelancers available on the street for 1000 to 1500. This is the true way to get a girl without management overhead. Hence the popularity of Thermae also with some customers.
The problem with the bar is mainly the girls are asking for too much money, because they think they can get it. Okay Some girls still can be found for 2000. Not much below that.
A top girl in an Oily makes good money but only because she has to fuck many times. The bargirl has a lot less customers, and fucks less. Less wear and tear on the body. Can be fresher. Many have only one fuck per day. Many average much less than one fuck per day, failing to get BFed often.
Very expensive Soapy girls don't need more than 1 customer per day, perhaps, as well. If a Soapy girl at The Lord cost 6000 Baht including the Farang surcharge, I don't know how much the girl makes. Probably not much more than half of it at a wild guess.
If I went back to 20 years ago, there were Soapies where sex was not included in the initial price. At CP2 I used to pay the "Ancient Thai Massage" girl a cash tip of 1 K to include sex in the session. She probably got a very small amount from the massage fee as well, but the total management fee was somewhat under control.
[QUOTE=Firecat;2028317]
So now, just before I arrive at Siam Station I just need to think about which direction I am approaching from and which way I want to go. So if arriving from Sukhumvit, if I want to go to National Stadium I need to stay on the same level, if I want to go to Silom I need to go down to the lower level platform.
I am sure there are other ways of doing this, but this way works for me at least for now.
Apologies for the diversion away from Massage Shops.[/QUOTE]The chances I am coming from Morchit and wish to go to Silom, is very low indeed. Never happens. Nor Visa Versa. The chances I want to go to National Stadium are low. Only for going to MBK. So overall, I almost always have to change levels and I am always changing from West direction to East direction, so I always have to go downstairs to change.
I have come to prefer to use MRT to Sukhumvit and then change to Sukhumvit BTS line (or visa versa). Seems to take a bit less time in not too far away from MRT line at the start.
Just heard a story (reliable) about a Tomboy taking on a post-opp ladyboy as a couple. Go figure! I can't fathom it. At least I can't imagine what the sex would be like. Maybe sex is not the important thing in the relationship?
Today is "May Day" but very little will be closed, perhaps some government offices.
Next bar closures should 10th May, religious holiday, Wan Khao Phansaa (also called Wisakhaa Buchaa with various spellings.)
http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2028338]Oh, I did not realize that the girl sits with you for more than half an hour for the price of just one drink. That seems like an awfully long time. I was imagining it would be a far shorter time.
Ok, sounds like my "scam" wouldn't work then.
If I am really enjoying hanging out with a girl, maybe I just buy her first lady drink, then after 30 minutes, I discreetly slip her 100-150 baht and tell her no more lady drinks before I leave or take her home? Better plan?[/QUOTE]Normally a girl with sit with you approx. 20 minutes for buying her one drink. Then it become her turn to do a dance set of 20 minutes. She will go on stage for 20 minutes and then can come back to you if she likes you. You then will probably be expected to buy her another drink during the next 20 minutes with you. Otherwise she may decide to go away, again depending on how badly she wants you.
They love charming funny party animals, not too arrogant. I don't have the charm levels, no bullshit from me, but I do okay With the nicer girls. Not too stingy. This causes some girls to go with me without negotiating a price.
20 minutes is not exact. In some bars it maybe only 15 minutes or may be 5 songs which turns out to be roughly 20 minutes but not exactly. If she first sits with you only 5 minutes before der dance turn, and you have already bought her drink, then you would expect her to return to you, after her dance stint. However it is not guaranteed. There could be some other regular customer of hers showing up, and stealing her away, or she is a scammer, or just does not take to you for some reason.
To ensure that a girl is not stolen away from you, you have to barfine her. However check first with her that she is willing and wants to go fuck at least short time, not her period, etc.
The price of girls is not exceptional low here, however you get much more time than with a European girl, for your money. Should be no rush. Girls that want to rush are the bad ones. If you normally pop very fast, you would have to negotiate for multiple Pops session. I don't have that problem. Always very slow to pop, so I need the extra time. I always take girls for at least one hour, but with good performing girls I usually want at least 90 minutes for my Short Time.
Why would you consider coming here to Thailand? I thought Asian girls had no appeal for you? Incidentally I like black girls, but hardly ever do one here, because 98% of them seem low quality and ugly, or too fat. However occasionally see the odd stunner. It is possible to do white girls here, but why bother? They are better in Europe. You really need to like Thai girls before coming here I think. Try some Asian girls in Europe first, and see if you like them. You know the lovely one I recommend.
I am still trying this site from time to time.
It seems it can sometimes do a better job of translating Thai to English, than Google Translate. Example: I fed in.
[size=+2] เครื่องขัดฟัน [/size] khreuang khat fan.
Google came up with "Toothbrush" not good (I think). Should be incorrect. Normal Thai way to say toothbrush is quite different: (bpraeng sii fan).
Thai2 english came up with: "Grinder (for) Teeth" (closer).
My translate would be: tooth polishing machine (used by Dentists).
http://translation.babylon-software.com/thai/to-english/ came up with "dental floss". Not normal way to say dental floss. Should be "maai khat fan" (meaning silk to scrub the teeth)
Microsoft's: https://www.bing.com/translator came up with "Tooth polishing machine". Wow, Bingo! Suggests it has a very large database, or has extra smarts when selecting the best English word for the context, or I just got lucky. Does not mean it will be good with every Thai phrase. Perhaps the way to go, is plug the Thai text into several translate sites, and then try to amalgamate using the more sensible parts from each. LOL
However thai2english.com is not designed to translate English to Thai (can only lookup specific English words). For English sentence to Thai translation, it is completely useless.
There is no [URL]http://www.english2thai.com/[/URL].
I typed in the English word "dick" LOL. thai2English came up with:
อวัยวะเพศ ชาย
a-wai-wa payt chaai
which literally means: "male sexual organs" (not a very good translate - a bit vague since dick does not include balls).
a-wai-wa is actually wrong pronunciation. Should be a-wai-ya-wa
If put the word "dick" into Thai-language.com, you gets lots of alternative words, including all the vulgar ones, much better.
The Thai word "ham" หำ was not included. It seems to be a vague word which some Thais say means dick and others say means testicles. Seems to, by itself, vaguely mean male genitals. A little bit non specific. Khuay is very specific meaning dick but much more vulgar. Other possible a little less vulgar words are krajiao, krador. "Juu" means little boy's dick. Can use this one to be joking. I sometimes called my dick "my young brother" in Thai as a euphemism. Thais may call it their "dove" but I can't get used to that one. Sounds too silly.
So try thai2english.com, but only for translating Thai sentences to English, instead of Google. Thai-language.com is better as a dictionary both ways. Try also Bing Translate and Babylon/Babelfish which may do better sometimes. Some of these other sites do attempt translate in both directions.
We all now why Nataree had so many girls and was so popular. Unfortunately it was not even close to legal. Was not a favorite place for me, since new girls were dick scared, very inexperienced, were not receiving much money due to contracts, etc. Highly supervised. I prefer girls freer to do as they please. They got done for trafficking offences.
[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30312739[/URL]
There is now a big scandal going on in Mae Hong Son where so many police and high ranking officials have been involved with illegal and trafficked girls.
Makes me feel a lot better about being with much older freelance girls who love to come have some fun and make a bit of money too. So keen for a hookup at a convenient venue.
5 May used to be Coronation day but this holiday has been cancelled. Next holiday is Wed 10 May religious holiday Wisakhaa Bucha when bars will close.
I photographed the price board at a few places. It does say distances up to 10 km the price is not to exceed 100 Baht. LOL.
I took a cycle today just under 2 km to MRT Lumphini. The official price was 25 Baht and I got charged 30 Baht. So Farang surcharge was just 5 baht. Pretty good.
Official price from Soi 23 to Soi 33 is 25 Baht, to Soi 39 is 40 Baht (covers deep in Soi) and to Soi 11 or 13 or 15 is 40 Baht. That includes a U turn and crossing Asoke. Price to Nana Plaza is not specified. However it is no further than delivering to deep in Soi 11, actually less.
My conclusion is 60 Baht from Cowboy to Nana Plaza is probably a 50% Farang surcharge, so should never be more than that.
I rent a room by the month for 8000 Baht plus electricity charge. I use this to work and sleep when here in Bangkok. I have fridge, microwave provided, plus I bought Induction Cooker to use on balcony. It cooks very fast and produces hardly any smoke.
It used to be the case that eating on the street was just as cheap as cooking your own food. This is no longer the case. Mark ups for cooked food start to grow a lot. 15 years ago eating cooked chicken was very cheap (not any more). Today bought 4 raw chicken thighs at supermarket for 47 Baht. A cooked half-chicken was 75 Baht, but that contains the wing and breast that I like less than thigh and leg. A deep fried chicken stand in small market place was selling fried chicken thighs (admittedly a bit larger than those I bought), for 50 Baht eat. Vegetables can still be bought very cheap especially at the market. A whole bag of onions cost 45 Baht.
The reason I like to cook my own food often is that I control the ingredients and can avoid lots of chemical additives, e. G. Sugar and MSG, and unknown suspect cooking oils, and keep salt content low. Looking after my health and weight is important. Can buy an MSG free seasoning in Thailand.
I am still buying some cooked foods, like vegetable soup bags, which are quite cheap at 30 Baht, or when too lazy to cook.
I managed to buy a Guatemala 100% Arabica ground coffee other day on special at 90 Baht for 227 gm. Pack at Tesco-Lotus. Normal price is double that. Stocked up a bit. Obviously imported Italian costs a lot more so I import my own from Italy in a suitcase often. I don't have high quality apparatus, so just make do with making filter coffee at home. Drinking at the local coffee shop is expensive and service is very slow. I prefer to avoid that. Save money for mongering. LOL.
I do eat at the Sports pub sometimes to be able to get a nice lamb roast once in a while. However Lamb costs an arm and a leg here, so it not at all cheap to do that. Can order a small portion. LOL (but I usually don't). Good quality Beef is also very expensive here. So pork is a lot cheaper.
To watch the weight, I avoid a lot of useless carbs type foods, being rice, potatoes, noodles, bread, sweet drinks, orange juice and other overly sweet fruits, etc. , and avoid large meals. It really works well to keep the weight in check. Obviously rice is very cheap but nutrition value is low, capacity to fatten is high. At first I moved to high fibre unpolished rice, then I realised I did not need rice at all. Used to eat Phat Thai noodles, but ready to give that up. It is too sweet. I hate sugar in my savoury dishes.
If I did not spend on woman and sex, I would / could live here very cheaply indeed, at least when not travelling on a holiday. So apparently the only reason not to retire here, is that women/sex is getting too expensive.
When I first arrived in Bangkok unaccompanied, the year was something like 1991 and I was immediately introduced to Soi Cowboy which had topless dancing but no full nudity. For full nudity you had to go to Pat Pong, and I certainly did in those days, especially at lunchtime when bars like Kangaroo or Annies Rose were very low on customers but plenty of girls available to play with (molest or fuck).
A small number of years later Nana Plaza had been developing, and a change in the policing occur. Suddenly full nudity came to Hollywood, Lollipop and Pretty Lady bar and probably a few others, maybe Voodoo? My memory is pretty vague about this so I don't know what year.
Some time later I acquired a GF and all my bar activities came to an end for many years, still sneaking in the odd soapy visit during the day. At some point the rules changed and full nudity died out in the Nana Plaza with or before moral cleansing around 2001 and 2002 (same time as clean out of foreign girls and those too young), so despite odd visits in 2003 and 2004 my interest dropped right off. At some point Lollipop had acquired a mermaid tank for naked girls but this was taken out in 2002. This was the start of the Nana Plaza decline most likely, or was it before that? I first joined the ISG in approx. 2005.
I have read that Suzi Wong had a new opening in 2002 and introduced some exotic shows including the lesbian show. Normal nude dancing may have come somewhat later, not clear which year but certainly by 2006. However I did not discover this till about 2006. By 2006 Long Gun, Raw Hide, and Midnite also had nudity and Long Gun had both dance routine shows like Angel Witch and also Pat Pong like shows. I liked Long Gun except not the Pat Pong type shows. Suzi Wong had nudity and continued its more erotic style shows rather than Pat Pong like shows for the tourists. Doll House had to bring nudity as well and Sheba (Suzi clone) was a big favourite of mine till it closed. Took two girls at a time many times. By 2006 somehow prices had rocketed to up to 1500 for ST where back in 1991 it was 500 for whole night. Not sure what period saw the steepest price rises.
Some of the other cowboy bars like Bacarra had girls with skirts but no knickers. Look up the skirt was never my thing really.
Approx mid 2013 Crazy House opened with full nudity or skirts with no knickers. This was after the Sheba closure end of 2012. For many years I had hardly attended Nana Plaza due to lack of nudity and due to Lots of silicone and perceived lack of GFE girls that really wanted have fun.
Still no full nudity in Nana Plaza, and only a small percentage of girls topless. I cannot tolerate so many girls with thick multi layers of bras on, or where most topless girls have silicones, e. G. Bacarra, or Bangkok Bunnies.