Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2987360]Looking over Google reviews of massage parlors in Phnom Penh, it appears that just about every one of them is a ripoff operation where someone gets into your pockets during the massage and replaces your cash with counterfeit money. Is there any truth to that, or am I just seeing a bunch of review-bombing?

I plan on staying in the general area of Street 136. My preference is for massages rather than taking a girl from a bar, but it doesn't look promising from afar.[/QUOTE]It is real, they go thru the back of the locker, in to your pockets, also most massage places have a guy on standby in case there is any animosity.

Due to lack of info and activity on this forum I will write about my findings during my 2 week stay in Phnom Penh, If I got it wrong or something is inaccurate, please feel free to correct, and add the real info.

I'm going to talk about the three types of action that can be found in PP.

Streetwalkers: they stroll along river side, pedestrian area close to the riverbank, mostly after dark, they can also be found during daytime, but in small numbers. They charge anywhere from $15-$25. You need to be aware that most of them are ladyboys, some of them may be minors, and generally speaking, they are low quality, and mixed in there are a few crazies also.

Massage parlors: most of them, employ fatties or oldies the prices vary from $15-$25 and they all start high and offer less, most of them will do only hand jobs, very few are doing blowjobs, and even fewer are willing to fuck you. They don't go your hotel and are only doing it in their shop for the reasons that I'm going to explain later.

From 100 places that I asked about outcall, I found only two that are doing it, one is Amara Massage, but some of the girls look under age, and Happy Massage, where are two fuckable ladies in their 30's. I got their names, but, I'm spelling them like I heard them saying it: " tryple" and "trynet" that's the best I can come up with. They want $20 to come to your room for the massage, the rest is to be discussed.

Also scattered all over the place there are some massage parlors with 8, 9's and even 10's, but they only do HJs on location, and you're going to be robbed guaranteed.

Two of the places with stunningly looking girls are on the SW corner of riverside and 178th one on each side, I'm talking 9-10's.

When I'm saying Riverside, I'm actually referring to Preah Sisowath Quay, but everybody calls it Riverside. My sixth sense tells me that this beautiful looking ladies are there only as bait to lure you in and rob you by the method I'm going to describe next.

It is a soft robbery, which you may overcome if you prepare in advance by discussing the price and what's going to happen, then go to your hotel and come back only with the amount of money needed for the deed. While you're getting massaged, somebody else will go to your pockets and either just simply take some of your cash or they have a more elaborate scam where they replace your money with exactly the same amount of fake currency. This is valid for all the massage parlors. Except the high-end ones that are more expensive and you're not going to get no extras there.

Even if you put your clothes and valueless in a locker that's in the room and you can observe it at all times, they have hidden access from behind, or if the clothes are in a basket in the corner of the room, hands will magically appear from behind a curtain, and do the pocketing.

Most of the massage parlors have one or two guys on standby ready to deal with any animosity that may arise.

Lots of the places have young girls that look like kids to me, and probably they are indeed underage, even if they're telling you that they're 18 or older.

Most of the places are comprised of the store front and a divider made out of plywood or a curtain, they are scattered all over the place, with the highest concentration around the girly bars and tourist areas.

If you see a row of recliners for the foot massage, the place may be legit, if not stay away or come back prepared only with the cash you're going to spend, to avoid unpleasant surprises.

Girly Bars: beautiful girls in the majority of them, I would say better than TH, all lined up outside in plain sight sitting on chairs I found three areas with the bars the most expensive one being in between the 110th St. And 136th St. About two blocks west of the riverside. In between the 110th and the 136th are just four streets I don't know why they have this numbering system.

The next area with the girls, a little bit cheaper and of course not so pretty is on the street that it's located one block north of the night market, 104th st.

Another area that is a little cheaper is on the 172nd street behind the what Oumnalom temple, where you will find some great restaurants also.

Be aware that some of the bars also have lady boys.

You are expected to buy at least two lady drinks for the girl that you want to barfine, 3-5 $ for you, and 5 $ and up for the girl, then pay the bar which varies depending on how valuable the girl is to the bar, usually 10 $ and up, and finally you will have to pay whatever the girl asks, usually they start at $100 and you can negotiate down to $50, depending on your bargaining skills and on the girl, of course.

Some girls do drinks only and don't go out with customers so make sure you ask before you spend money on her.

You will end up spending up to $100 for a decent looking girl, with the drinks, the bar fine, and the money paid to the girl, and the experience that you're going to have it's not guaranteed to be a good one. Most of them will do short time only, and covered.

Of course you may find cheaper deals, or GFE, but what I'm describing is the norm.

Getting regular girls like cashiers or waitresses is not so easy due to the language barrier and also depends on the age difference and looks, it seems to be a problem if you're older.

For the online scene, I could not find any reliable information, DIA has only few postings, and they never reply, Badoo seems to have lots of postings, but you will have to pay in order to communicate, I do have a problem with the paid sites because it seems that as soon as you stop paying lots of them, contact you and you'll have to pay to see what messages they sent you, a scam.

So it appears that there is a lot of cheap good quality pussy available, but in the end, you pay more and get less than expected. It leaves you with the feeling that you have been tricked.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2988687]
From 100 places that I asked about outcall, I found only two that are doing it...

....tricked.[/QUOTE]So for the outcall I still need to go to the massage place (it is on 110, yes?) in person to make the arrangements and select the girl?

If there was any trust in this town, I could choose via email / website.

[QUOTE=BrownMickey;2981056]I stayed in Sun & Moon Urban Hotel, just a few days ago. It's right there on street 136 where the action lies. Decent price, good facilities, no issued with bringing guests plus the rooftop pool is nice. There is another Sun & Moon so be careful when booking. Heard that Lux riverside is also great, also right there in the middle of action, maybe will try next time.[/QUOTE]The Agoda page of the S&M Urban Hotel sais "10 USD for unregistered guests" and I also heard from a colleague that the rooftop pool is a dove paradise and they use the pool as their bathroom. Can you confirm / decline this? Planning to go there later this year. Would be a good choice but only if no joiner fee and the pool is usable.

Thank You.

[QUOTE=Hotzo;2988798]The Agoda page of the S&M Urban Hotel sais "10 USD for unregistered guests" and I also heard from a colleague that the rooftop pool is a dove paradise and they use the pool as their bathroom. Can you confirm / decline this? Planning to go there later this year. Would be a good choice but only if no joiner fee and the pool is usable.

Thank You.[/QUOTE]For a second I thought "dove paradise" meant freelancers.

If money is no object, based on experience there's Raffles (better of these two), and Mansions, with a modestly nice courtyard pool.

If the girls appear to be civilians then getting up to the room would be no problem in these two, but easier at Raffles.

[QUOTE=Hotzo;2988798]The Agoda page of the S&M Urban Hotel sais "10 USD for unregistered guests" and I also heard from a colleague that the rooftop pool is a dove paradise and they use the pool as their bathroom. Can you confirm / decline this? Planning to go there later this year. Would be a good choice but only if no joiner fee and the pool is usable.

Thank You.[/QUOTE]Sun and Moon Urban Hotel does charge the $10 joiner fee but only if you booked the room for one person, if you book for 2 people there is no additional charge.

There are in fact Doves around the rooftop pool and I guess they shit wherever they want to but I've never seen them actually shitting in the pool.

[QUOTE=WatchTower;2988784]So for the outcall I still need to go to the massage place (it is on 110, yes?) in person to make the arrangements and select the girl?

If there was any trust in this town, I could choose via email / website.[/QUOTE]Here are the business cards from the 2 massage salons, but good luck understanding what they are talking about over the phone, I ended up going there in person after unsuccessfully trying to order over the phone. In person also you'll see first hand what you're ordering.

[QUOTE=WatchTower;2988911]For a second I thought "dove paradise" meant freelancers.....[/QUOTE]Haha.

If they would start messing up the pool I would leave immediately.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2989044]Here are the business cards from the 2 massage salons, but good luck understanding what they are talking about over the phone, I ended up going there in person after unsuccessfully trying to order over the phone. In person also you'll see first hand what you're ordering.[/QUOTE]Aye.

If this is Amara, [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g293940-d1134521-r59730473-Amara_Spa-Phnom_Penh.html[/URL].

Maybe I'll go there in person. Reluctantly though, as it should not be this difficult.

[QUOTE=WatchTower;2989906]Aye.

If this is Amara, [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g293940-d1134521-r59730473-Amara_Spa-Phnom_Penh.html[/URL].

Maybe I'll go there in person. Reluctantly though, as it should not be this difficult.[/QUOTE]Yes by looking at the address, that's the place, but I don't know about the incall service quality, because I had outcall, and no massage was involved, just sex.

Incall is available everywhere, the outcall option is rare.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2990116]
just sex.
[/QUOTE]

What was the rate for this?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2990116]Yes by looking at the address, that's the place, but I don't know about the incall service quality, because I had outcall, and no massage was involved, just sex.

Incall is available everywhere, the outcall option is rare.[/QUOTE]Planning a 5 day birthday trip to PP.

What was the damage for out-call service, and lady rating on looks??

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2991656]Planning a 5 day birthday trip to PP.

What was the damage for out-call service, and lady rating on looks??[/QUOTE]First I have to mention, that my situation is special, and may not reflect the real price: I travel with my GF, and we only do 3 somes, sometimes is a blessing, and my GF brings in pussy for free, other times is a problem finding willing participants, and of course the prices may not reflect the going rate. Cambodia is one of the countries were is really difficult to have 3 somes, and I blame it on the language barrier, because from my experience women are prewired for this activity regardless of geographical location, or cultural differences, all is needed is a little incentive, comfort, intimacy, and a gentle push toward it.

Back to " tryple" and "trynet", I rate them both 7's. One is a bit too skinny, and the other one is ok, but has a bit extra on the tights, otherwise they would be 8's. I had them in 2 separate days, and I agreed to pay $40 for a 2 hour hotel massage, because even if we don't need 2 hours, I don't like it to have time constrains and constant clock watching.

In the bedroom, at the right moment when I and my GF were both naked laying on the bed, and the masseuse was still in a state of shock not knowing what she's there for (she knew she will fuck me, because that's what we discussed at the shop, then probably she taught she didn't get it right and is just a couple massage, and no extras) I presented her with the 3 some situation, I just rounded the sum to 100 $ total ($60 tip) told her that if she didn't like it we will stop, all this while both of us were gentle touching her (she was kneeled in the bed between us) the answer was an immediate, no hesitation OK, she went in the bathroom and came back naked with a towel wrapped around, my GF did her thing and gave her a douche bag, explaining her what to do with it, because she was confused. She performed like a pro, she never did it with another women before, she said. Most women have this fantasy and want to try it if given the right circumstances, and she was no different. As soon as my GF sat on her face while I was fucking her She was sucking my GFs pussy like a maniac (a bit too harsh my GF said). Two days latter about the same scenario happened with the other masseuse, and I think they talked about, because she kind of knew what was going to happen, same price, same routine, this one even stayed longer and had some mango and watched TV with my GF, some bullshit Korean series, that seem to be popular in the whole SEA.

So there you have it $20/ HR massage and $60 tip, I had to give you the whole story to understand why this wasn't the typical price for a normal 1 on 1 session. Personally I had to rise the bar for the extra incentive to give them the little push they can't refuse. Since most places that will do FS (not many) charge you around $20 all inclusive probably I overpaid, but again this was different than most situations. Maybe $20 would have been the total, FS included, or is the outcall price for the massage only, I don't know.

I had some other plans with them, but the next days, always something stupid happened, like overeating, or drinking to much, or GF not in the mood, then we left for Sihanoukville.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2991899]First I have to mention, that my situation is special, and may not reflect the real price: I travel with my GF, and we only do 3 somes, sometimes is a blessing, and my GF brings in pussy for free, other times is a problem finding willing participants, and of course the prices may not reflect the going rate. Cambodia is one of the countries were is really difficult to have 3 somes, and I blame it on the language barrier, because from my experience women are prewired for this activity regardless of geographical location, or cultural differences, all is needed is a little incentive, comfort, intimacy, and a gentle push toward it.

Back to " tryple" and "trynet", I rate them both 7's. One is a bit too skinny, and the other one is ok, but has a bit extra on the tights, otherwise they would be 8's. I had them in 2 separate days, and I agreed to pay $40 for a 2 hour hotel massage, because even if we don't need 2 hours, I don't like it to have time constrains and constant clock watching.

In the bedroom, at the right moment when I and my GF were both naked laying on the bed, and the masseuse was still in a state of shock not knowing what she's there for (she knew she will fuck me, because that's what we discussed at the shop, then probably she taught she didn't get it right and is just a couple massage, and no extras) I presented her with the 3 some situation, I just rounded the sum to 100 $ total ($60 tip) told her that if she didn't like it we will stop, all this while both of us were gentle touching her (she was kneeled in the bed between us) the answer was an immediate, no hesitation OK, she went in the bathroom and came back naked with a towel wrapped around, my GF did her thing and gave her a douche bag, explaining her what to do with it, because she was confused. She performed like a pro, she never did it with another women before, she said. Most women have this fantasy and want to try it if given the right circumstances, and she was no different. As soon as my GF sat on her face while I was fucking her She was sucking my GFs pussy like a maniac (a bit too harsh my GF said). Two days latter about the same scenario happened with the other masseuse, and I think they talked about, because she kind of knew what was going to happen, same price, same routine, this one even stayed longer and had some mango and watched TV with my GF, some bullshit Korean series, that seem to be popular in the whole SEA.

So there you have it $20/ HR massage and $60 tip, I had to give you the whole story to understand why this wasn't the typical price for a normal 1 on 1 session. Personally I had to rise the bar for the extra incentive to give them the little push they can't refuse. Since most places that will do FS (not many) charge you around $20 all inclusive probably I overpaid, but again this was different than most situations. Maybe $20 would have been the total, FS included, or is the outcall price for the massage only, I don't know.

I had some other plans with them, but the next days, always something stupid happened, like overeating, or drinking to much, or GF not in the mood, then we left for Sihanoukville.[/QUOTE]I forgot to specify that these girls were both from "Happy Massage".

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2991899]First I have to mention, that my situation is special, and may not reflect the real price: I travel with my GF, and we only do 3 somes, sometimes is a blessing, and my GF brings in pussy for free, other times is a problem finding willing participants, and of course the prices may not reflect the going rate. Cambodia is one of the countries were is really difficult to have 3 somes, and I blame it on the language barrier, because from my experience women are prewired for this activity regardless of geographical location, or cultural differences, all is needed is a little incentive, comfort, intimacy, and a gentle push toward it.

Back to " tryple" and "trynet", I rate them both 7's. One is a bit too skinny, and the other one is ok, but has a bit extra on the tights, otherwise they would be 8's. I had them in 2 separate days, and I agreed to pay $40 for a 2 hour hotel massage, because even if we don't need 2 hours, I don't like it to have time constrains and constant clock watching.

In the bedroom, at the right moment when I and my GF were both naked laying on the bed, and the masseuse was still in a state of shock not knowing what she's there for (she knew she will fuck me, because that's what we discussed at the shop, then probably she taught she didn't get it right and is just a couple massage, and no extras) I presented her with the 3 some situation, I just rounded the sum to 100 $ total ($60 tip) told her that if she didn't like it we will stop, all this while both of us were gentle touching her (she was kneeled in the bed between us) the answer was an immediate, no hesitation OK, she went in the bathroom and came back naked with a towel wrapped around, my GF did her thing and gave her a douche bag, explaining her what to do with it, because she was confused. She performed like a pro, she never did it with another women before, she said. Most women have this fantasy and want to try it if given the right circumstances, and she was no different. As soon as my GF sat on her face while I was fucking her She was sucking my GFs pussy like a maniac (a bit too harsh my GF said). Two days latter about the same scenario happened with the other masseuse, and I think they talked about, because she kind of knew what was going to happen, same price, same routine, this one even stayed longer and had some mango and watched TV with my GF, some bullshit Korean series, that seem to be popular in the whole SEA.

So there you have it $20/ HR massage and $60 tip, I had to give you the whole story to understand why this wasn't the typical price for a normal 1 on 1 session. Personally I had to rise the bar for the extra incentive to give them the little push they can't refuse. Since most places that will do FS (not many) charge you around $20 all inclusive probably I overpaid, but again this was different than most situations. Maybe $20 would have been the total, FS included, or is the outcall price for the massage only, I don't know.

I had some other plans with them, but the next days, always something stupid happened, like overeating, or drinking to much, or GF not in the mood, then we left for Sihanoukville.[/QUOTE]Thanks, get the jest and pricing bracket.

My last visit to Phnom Penh was in 2008, stayed at the Walkabout (sadly, place is long gone). Remember my room being under 10.00 a day, with the 2nd floor bar having freelancers there 24/7.

Getting old, so this might be my last visit to Phnom Penh. Narrowed my hotel selection to NagaWorld, Sun and Moon Urban, Harmony or Lux Riverside. Leaning towards Harmony, as room price with a bathtub seemed like a deal.