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[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]Not for several years. So did you have a point?

Do you ever use Google?

[B]Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs.
Blood clots are a leading cause of preventable hospital death in the United States.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/hospitalization-infographic.html[/URL]

Oh my God! Were you sober when you wrote this? You're still trying to rationalize that your prediction of 80,000 US deaths from CoVid wasn't a foolish uninformed guess.

"You see it wasn't my fault, I didn't take into consideration all the comorbidities. They were destined to die anyway. "

Another falsehood spread by (so called) conservatives.

Do hospitals get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death?

No, hospitals do not get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death.

[URL]https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/covid-19-coronavirus-hospital-deaths-funding-medicare-fact-check/536-74efc62c-e1c6-43fa-8a22-0ff482593afd[/URL]

If you were to verify the information in detail you would see that in 2020 Congress passed a bill to pay hospitals more for Medicare's care and treatment of CoVid patients. Which kind of made good sense. Isolation and treatment in ICUs sometimes with Ventilators are costly.

And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.

The vaccines stopped most people from catching CoVid in for first place, and those that did have had a far higher survival rate. That seems like "doing something". Oh and your constant battle-cry. [B]the vaccines do not prevent transmission[/B] is nonsensical. If people don't get the virus because they were vaccinated how are they going to transmit something they don't have??

THAT is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain. The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.

We all remember how wrong you were. China had, perhaps, the most severe lockdown anywhere. The whole Wuhan province was isolated and everyone was tested and every positive test had contact testing and contacts of contacts testing. China had far less deaths as a result. So now they are having a resurgence of CoVid but it is the Omnicron strain. I suppose Asians are more compliant in these situations.

As usual you blather on and on and on. I eventually get tired to doing the research and correcting all your misstatements. So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I didn't rebut the rest of the garbage that you wrote.[/QUOTE]M.

This is crazy, hosptial definitely got money for Covid. Also, I have friends in Mxico that got money if they signed off if someone had Covid. You really think the Covid test is 100% accurate, Hell no. I also have friends that got all 4 vaccines and still got Covid.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2715742]If the Dem. Leadership keeps this up they will lose control of everything and hopefully they will set there party back 10-20 years. [/QUOTE]Anyone who does not know the difference between "there" and "their" well enough to use the correct word.

Is too ignorant to waste my time debating.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]

Do you ever use Google?

Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs..[/QUOTE]Yeah, and I use it right. One in 10 hospital deaths is listed as due to blood clots. Eight of ten are not listed as causes of death, but they could be.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]You're still trying to rationalize that your prediction of 80,000 US deaths from CoVid wasn't a foolish uninformed guess.[/QUOTE]No, I am saying you do not have the data to show that it was wrong. You have Covid related deaths not deaths due to Covid.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]No, hospitals do not get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death.[/QUOTE]Your own link shows that not to be true. If someone dies from a heart attack or blood clot or anything, the hospital is incentivized to do a post mortem Covid test and put that on the death certificate.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]
Isolation and treatment in ICUs sometimes with Ventilators are costly..[/QUOTE]LOL. Ventilators. Oh boy.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.[/QUOTE]Why stop there? They would have had no deaths and increased life expectancy if only they had listened to you.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]The vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical.[/QUOTE]Only thing nonsensical about that statement is you are telling a lie. Period.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]That is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain.[/QUOTE]That is totally made up.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.[/QUOTE]What does not very effective mean? And lower death rate compared to whom? That statement is not based on a double blind study. It is purely observational and would be rejected as unscientific in every other instance. Approval of the vaccines was based on lower transmission rates. Period. Once that statement is proven to be false, you do not get to make up some new benefit if you are being scientific.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]China had, perhaps, the most severe lockdown anywhere. The whole Wuhan province was isolated and everyone was tested and every positive test had contact testing and contacts of contacts testing. China had far less deaths as a result. So now they are having a resurgence of CoVid but it is the Omnicron strain. I suppose Asians are more compliant in these situations.[/QUOTE]OMG. China lied to Trump. China allowed international travelers to come into Wuhan while banning domestic ones coming in. They took a ton of information about Corona virus offline from their lab, and you are going on about how great China is and how we should believe their data? Yeah, why not? You are a Dem after all.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I didn't rebut the rest of the garbage that you wrote.[/QUOTE]You mean the part where lockdowns led to sick and even dead kids? Yeah, I did not expect you to even try on that. All you dumb Dems have done for two years is blather on about how great lockdowns are and completely ignore all the devastating effects from them.

If the lockdowns worked so great and there are so many cases, why are you not isolating now?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2715650]ROFL. I must admit I kinda admire Hunter. He is a ZFG dude. He wants to smoke crack and bang supermodel-looking hookers in Ukraine, he gets his dad to send him money and probably gets the secret service to ferry over the girls and gear. He wants to bang his dead brother's wife and diddle his nieces, he just does it. He wants to get megabucks kickbacks from China and Ukraine, he just tells them he will fuck their shit up unless they give it to him (with 10% for the big guy) and they do. He wants to shoot some shit up, he illegally obtains a firearm then orders the secret service to get rid of it for him.

He knows that there are no rules if you are related to a top-level democrat, and so he does whatever the fuck he wants with zero consequences. What a life.[/QUOTE]They will find either a prison cell or a morgue for him sooner rather than later!!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2715807]Yes, Joseph Goebbels, the German Minister of Propaganda 1933 - 1945, would be proud of his step child, the Woke Media. He invented the mass propaganda technique and enjoyed great success with it until it all came tumbling down in rubble with Allied bombs and Russian tanks.

Happy 4th of July everybody. It is time for Americans to Stand Up for Your Country.[/QUOTE][URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/dick-cheney-thrilled-to-no-longer-be-least-likable-cheney[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]

The vaccines stopped most people from catching CoVid in for first place, and those that did have had a far higher survival rate. That seems like "doing something". Oh and your constant battle-cry. [B]the vaccines do not prevent transmission[/B] is nonsensical. If people don't get the virus because they were vaccinated how are they going to transmit something they don't have??

That is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain. The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.[/QUOTE] They didn't stop most people catching or transmitting covid. And virus strains mutate all the time. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the useless, fake, untested RNA death jab which helped nobody except the shareholders of Big Pharma and the proponents of the Great Reset and Great Replacement.

Now go get your 3rd booster then get your heart rate up.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715789]I think he learned it from the Trump kids.[/QUOTE]No, because if the Trump kids had done 10% of what he has done (multiple counts of hard drug abuse, felonies, corruption, the list is endless) it would be all over the fake news media every single day.

Just like they had a pisspants meltdown when Trump walked slowly down a wet, slippery ramp to avoid slipping, but completely memoryholed Biden collapsing three times while trying to walk up the steps of his plane. Or more recently, falling off his bike when it wasn't even moving: perhaps the Secret Service should attach stabilizer wheels in future?

All just more of the myriad examples of fake media bias and lies by omission. Time to end it, one way or another.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2715776]And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.

[/QUOTE]ROFL. You accept that Sweden was in the bottom 25% of European covid deaths, far lower than the majority of countries that implemented brutal, damaging lockdowns that ruined millions of lives.

But rather than do the honest thing and say "Yup, looks like they were right. There was no need for these terrible, destructive lockdowns after all, with the livelihoods wrecked, increase in suicide, domestic abuse, drug abuse, mental illness, lack of child development and many more horrific outcomes", you keep up the clownshow by saying "the bottom 25% wasn't good enough!

If the lack of lockdown made a difference, Sweden would have been at the very top of the list, with hundreds of thousands dropping dead left right and centre. They are the placebo case that proves your entire thesis is bullshit.

And yet you cling grimly to it. Again, I am astounded by the degree to which leftists can totally ignore factual reality in order to push their completely fake and false narrative. It is in itself a kind of mental illness, one that we will need to address after we retake our country.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2715786]Clarence Thomas, a very Republican man married to an even more Republican woman, has already put contraception in the bullseye for the Very Big Government Everywhere Especially In Your Bedroom Repub majority SCOTUS. Probably under orders from his wife.

See, once they ruled there is no Right To Privacy under the law[/QUOTE]Do you actually seriously think they're going to ban condoms and birth control? Haha! They really did brainwash you good, didn't they? Certainly, they might ban fag "marriage" because that was always a bunch of bullshit which should be decided democratically by the states.

As for the "right to privacy", and the idea abortion is a "Constitutional right", that is just hilarious. Like Washington, Adams and Jefferson were thinking 'we need to make sure sluts can kill their kids' while they were writing it. Just grasping ridiculously at non-existent straws. Only a leftist could lie so shamelessly. "Right to privacy" my ass. If I kill someone in private does that mean I can't be prosecuted? Well, maybe if I'm related to Biden, Pelosi or Clinton, but for anyone else that's a no.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715841]Yeah, and I use it right. One in 10 hospital deaths is listed as due to blood clots. Eight of ten are not listed as causes of death, but they could be.[/QUOTE][B]Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/hospitalization-infographic.html[/URL]

I'm still waiting to see your source.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715841]No, I am saying you do not have the data to show that it was wrong. You have Covid related deaths not deaths due to Covid.[/QUOTE]So CoVid depleted the immune system and you're arguing about whether it was the CoVid that killed him / her or whether it was something else which was accelerated by the depleted immune system.

US Deaths 1,043,316 (7/2/22).

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]

How many deaths were unreported as CoVid?? If anything that number should be higher.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715841][B]Your own link shows that not to be true.[/B] If someone dies from a heart attack or blood clot or anything, the hospital is incentivized to do a post mortem Covid test and put that on the death certificate.[/QUOTE]Apparently your reading skills are failing you. Look at the headline of the page in BIG BOLD letters.

[B]No, hospitals don't get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patients cause of death[/B]

[URL]https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/covid-19-coronavirus-hospital-deaths-funding-medicare-fact-check/536-74efc62c-e1c6-43fa-8a22-0ff482593afd[/URL]

I tried to help you out but you never learn. Hospitals get paid extra for [B]treating Medicare patients[/B] with CoVid but NOT for marking a death certificate as a CoVid death. Pay attention to the key words there [B]Treating Medicare Patients[/B].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715841]Why stop there? They would have had no deaths and increased life expectancy if only they had listened to you.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715501]Sweden is in the bottom 25% of Covid cases in Europe.[/QUOTE]I made a horrendous mistake! When Elvis said that Sweden is in the bottom 25% of CoVid cases in Europe [B] I didn't check it. [/B] Mistake, I did this time. Sweden is in the bottom 35% of per capita CoVid cases. Not as good as Elvis would have you believe. Why? Because many of the smaller countries have much greater population density. Countries like Monaco, San Marino, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Montenegro. You get the idea. More densly populated means more people living in less space hence higher likelihood of transmission.

BTW Sweden falls in almost exactly the same place in 'deaths per capita'. The neighbors: Denmark, Finland and Norway all fall in the bottem 10% of deaths per capita. Hmmmm.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715841]Only thing nonsensical about that statement is you are telling a lie. Period.[/QUOTE]Then why did the rate of CoVid infection go down after the vaccines were approved and widely used? The rate spiked again when the Omicron variant made its debut in December-January 2022.

Why did the death rate go down after the vaccines were approved and widely used? With a far smaller spike in December-January 2022?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715841]What does not very effective mean? And lower death rate compared to whom? That statement is not based on a double blind study. It is purely observational and would be rejected as unscientific in every other instance. Approval of the vaccines was based on lower transmission rates. Period. Once that statement is proven to be false, you do not get to make up some new benefit if you are being scientific.[/QUOTE]The vaccines resulted in a drop in cases and a drop in deaths. I humiliated you in another post where you said you saw NO drop in the death rate. I linked you to 10 European countries that had graphs that showed that the original CoVid cases and deaths dropped off starting April-June of 2021 but the cases spked again in December-January 2022. However the death rate remained much lower than before.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715841]OMG. China lied to Trump. China allowed international travelers to come into Wuhan while banning domestic ones coming in. They took a ton of information about Corona virus offline from their lab, and you are going on about how great China is and how we should believe their data? Yeah, why not? You are a Dem after all.[/QUOTE]Remind me, who pulled our viral scientists out of China because they weren't needed? Oooopsie They were needed. One of Trump's many fiascos that was someone elses fault.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21C3N5[/URL]

Whether you like China or not, they seemed to have taken extreme measures to isolate CoVid carriers and control the spread.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2715892]ROFL. You accept that Sweden was in the bottom 25% of European covid deaths, far lower than the majority of countries that implemented brutal, damaging lockdowns that ruined millions of lives.

But rather than do the honest thing and say "Yup, looks like they were right. There was no need for these terrible, destructive lockdowns after all, with the livelihoods wrecked, increase in suicide, domestic abuse, drug abuse, mental illness, lack of child development and many more horrific outcomes", you keep up the clownshow by saying "the bottom 25% wasn't good enough![/QUOTE]I made a horrendous mistake! When Elvis said that Sweden is in the bottom 25% of CoVid cases in Europe [B] I didn't check it.[/B] Mistake, I did this time. Sweden is in the bottom 35% of per capita CoVid cases. Not as good as Elvis would have you believe. Why? Because many of the smaller countries have much greater population density. Countries like Monaco, San Marino, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Montenegro. You get the idea. More densely populated means more people living in less space hence higher likelihood of transmission.

BTW Sweden falls in almost exactly the same place in 'deaths per capita'. The neighbors: Denmark, Finland and Norway all fall in the bottom 10% of deaths per capita. Hmmmm.

I guess if you are at the 35th percentile of deaths per capita you might think that was pretty good. But your neighbors are at the 10th percentile. I don't know if care much about your family but if it was my family I sure as hell would like to be taking the course that brought our death rate down from the 35th percentile to the 10th percentile.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2715892]If the lack of lockdown made a difference, Sweden would have been at the very top of the list, with hundreds of thousands dropping dead left right and centre. They are the placebo case that proves your entire thesis is bullshit.

And yet you cling grimly to it. Again, I am astounded by the degree to which leftists can totally ignore factual reality in order to push their completely fake and false narrative. It is in itself a kind of mental illness, one that we will need to address after we retake our country.[/QUOTE]I don't think you understand what happened with lockdowns. Without going into the details in every country in Europe. Let's just look at the Scandinavian countries so that you can understand it.

Sweden didn't go into lockdowns. The neighbors did but obviously they couldn't stay locked down for a long time. The critical point is this was the early days (say the virus started March 2020). The lockdowns (which were never promoted as a "permanent solution") had the expected effect. Hospitals were able to increase their ICU capability including purchasing ventilators. Vaccines were several months closer to general availability. Net result? Less deaths. Elvis proudly boasted that later when the neighboring countries had big increases in CoVid cases (mostly due to Omnicron) that the tide was turning. But the reality is that Omnicron was far more virulent but also far less lethal and although the neighboring countries lost most of their big advantage in having less cases the lower death count has never changed.

Lockdowns were never a permanent solution. The countries that used them were only able to keep that up for a few months. But the earlier those few months were the better. Results show it.

Sweden would never have been at the top of the death list. Other countries didn't use lockdowns either. Sweden isn't a densely populated country. Population density IS a major factor in how quickly the virus spreads.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2715892]ROFL. You accept that Sweden was in the bottom 25% of European covid deaths, far lower than the majority of countries that implemented brutal, damaging lockdowns that ruined millions of lives.
[/QUOTE]Superb discussion on Sweden and COVID here:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp7_o9QGzzA[/URL]

Defund the Democrats: Stop giving money to the party of surrender and inaction. Salon ([URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/defund-the-democrats-stop-giving-money-to-the-party-of-surrender-and-inaction/ar-AAZ93Sm[/URL]).

Hilarious when brainwashed libtards realizes they are feeding the cronies. LOL.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2715892]If the lack of lockdown made a difference, Sweden would have been at the very top of the list, with hundreds of thousands dropping dead left right and centre. They are the placebo case that proves your entire thesis is bullshit.

And yet you cling grimly to it. Again, I am astounded by the degree to which leftists can totally ignore factual reality in order to push their completely fake and false narrative. It is in itself a kind of mental illness, one that we will need to address after we retake our country.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DramaFree11;2715828]M.

This is crazy, hosptial definitely got money for Covid. Also, I have friends in Mxico that got money if they signed off if someone had Covid. You really think the Covid test is 100% accurate, Hell no. I also have friends that got all 4 vaccines and still got Covid.[/QUOTE]The journalist I trust the most is Matt Taibbi, and he went on Ben Shapiro's show, and it was a refreshing discussion between two honest people. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAxbhC9UyOM[/URL].

If you go to the 43 minute mark, you will see both these guys tear into the stupid narrative health officials were pushing.

If you go back to like the 40 minute mark, Shapiro lists the lies that destroyed the faith so many people have in government institutions. What gets me is now that we know so much of this stuff is bullshit, there are so many dumb Dems who swear they are true. It's like when Viliany says the vaccine prevented transmission. It is like no, dumbass the head of the CDC said it is not true. Why in the hell would you defy her?

It is like what are you gaining for lying?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2715841]LOL. Ventilators. Oh boy.[/QUOTE]Yeah that was my reaction when the leftard mentioned ventilators. Remember a couple of years back when they were the big thing in the fake news media, and Nipples Cuomo was ranting about them every day in between sexually assaulting women, on his show that hollyweird gave him an emmy for?

Then it turned out they were worse than useless, killed everyone who was put on them, and had been a total waste of life and money. So of course the fake news just memoryholed them like Biden collapsing on his plane steps or shitting his pants in the Vatican. Kind of encapsulates the entire scamdemic really, and indeed the entire Washington govt / media swamp.