Bangkok Reports

Hello all,

So I get to Bangkok every 14-18 months extending work trip.

Typically has been gogo bars and at times street walkers. Do indulge in soapies atleast 1 session per trip.

This time (in a week or so) am intending to try out Thaifriendly. Took premium membership and have a list of 6-7 women per my criteria.

The only thing I am seeing is the rates quoted. From 1500 to 3500 - all of these are for ST. 1 session in most cases and 2 in very few.

Advise I am seeking is, do these rates for claimed freelancers seem ok? I have stuck to 19-24 for most. 2 are 40 - just a fetish 😊.

Suggestions would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Kukooo;2924841]I have done that in the past, they would agree for 500 B less maybe (if not in demand that night), but they give a lot of attitude once back in the room. Action becomes mechanical and I would lose 2500 B than saving 500 by bargain.

Now I hear the offer, if not willing, say sorry and move over to the next girl.[/QUOTE]Why anyone would negotiate over $12 is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2924791]I think it's one of the shops on the left hand side when you're facing Mango massage.[/QUOTE]Correct, It's about 3 shops left of Mango right up in the corner. You can see it in this Google link.

https://www.google.com/maps/@13.7295614,100.5696632,3a,34.9y,141.41h,90.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sf3-rQFMzOZgr9gUtpXMNmQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Df3-rQFMzOZgr9gUtpXMNmQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.28779%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu

Ahh.

I thought there nothing beyond LOL.

And the Orient gals were inviting me in.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2924910]Correct, It's about 3 shops left of Mango right up in the corner. You can see it in this Google link.

https://www.google.com/maps/@13.7295614,100.5696632,3a,34.9y,141.41h,90.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sf3-rQFMzOZgr9gUtpXMNmQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Df3-rQFMzOZgr9gUtpXMNmQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.28779%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kiran1411;2924860]

Advise I am seeking is, do these rates for claimed freelancers seem ok? I have stuck to 19-24 for most. 2 are 40 - just a fetish 😊.

Suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Most Thermae girls charge on Average 2500-3000 THB, for TF girls I recommend somewhere between 1500-2500 at max.

Good friends of mine continue to do at 1000 and 1500 but in Pattaya.

If you want to try someone above 40+, Tulip Massage in Bangkok is gold spot.

[QUOTE=Kiran1411;2924860]Hello all,

So I get to Bangkok every 14-18 months extending work trip.

Typically has been gogo bars and at times street walkers. Do indulge in soapies atleast 1 session per trip.

This time (in a week or so) am intending to try out Thaifriendly. Took premium membership and have a list of 6-7 women per my criteria.

The only thing I am seeing is the rates quoted. From 1500 to 3500 - all of these are for ST. 1 session in most cases and 2 in very few.

Advise I am seeking is, do these rates for claimed freelancers seem ok? I have stuck to 19-24 for most. 2 are 40 - just a fetish 😊.

Suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Since you mentioned TF. I have used TF off and on since 2019 and met a few girls. But lately, I am getting almost zero response. I've set my location to LOS Angeles (probably a mistake and should set it to a Thai location). Maybe my profile pic sucks? My settings look good. I am unsure of what the F is going on.

Keep us updated on your TF success rate.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2924782]Found this girl on Few Fans. Booking was difficult at first, as she can't speak a word of English However, after a little persistence and some Thai language, she agreed. The price was 1500ST. I went over to her hotel that she books and usies to host customers. She was just as stunning as the photo and no need for the photo shopping. She greeted me at the door with a cold cloth and led me in to the room. She even kneeled down and removed my shoes. Then we sat down on the bed and we chatted a bit. I found out she was actually from Laos and she was not even Thai. She calmed to be 24, I think she is more like 26-28 though.

After our chat, she started removing my clothes and we started kissing. She was dressed only in her bra and panties and I started to finger her pussy lightly. She started getting wet. Before the action started getting any hotter, she suggested we go to take a shower. In the shower, she cleaned every crevice of my body. Then gave me one of the best BBBJ I have ever had from a Fiw fan's girl. I couldn't resist much longer and blew my load and she swallowed it all. This surprised me. After that, I retreated to the bed while she cleaned herself up.

On the bed we chatted a bit about her life and mine while I admired her body. Then I started caressing her leg and thigh, then moving down to her pussy. I laid her back and started licking her pussy. This made her giggle and she could not take it as she said it ticked too much. This was disappointing, but I understood. She reached for a condom and some loob, which I don't like. This meaning both. I said in Thai no need. However, she insisted on a condom. I relented and allowed her to slip it on. After that I climbed on top and we began fucking. After 15 minutes of decent sex in multiple positions, she asked me why I didn't finish. I told her it's because I never fuck with condoms so it's difficult to finish. Then she said, if I pay her an extra 2000 Baht, she would fuck me BB. I instantly agreed and removed the condom. I started in doggy and it was bliss. She was moaning very loudly at this point. Then I flipped her over and fucked her in mish for another 15 or so minutes before exploding deep inside her pussy.

We lay there on the bed for 10 minutes just resting and caressing each other before I had to leave to go back to work. Great session.

This thing with condoms has happened to me a few times in Thailand and every time I have just rolled with it and it always turned into a BBFSCIP session. Either because I paid more or the girl just allowed me to remove the condom for one reason or another, such as me taking too long to finish or the lady just changing her mind.[/QUOTE]Can you share her FiwiFans link please.

Send by PM if you wish.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2925055]Since you mentioned TF. I have used TF off and on since 2019 and met a few girls. But lately, I am getting almost zero response. I've set my location to LOS Angeles (probably a mistake and should set it to a Thai location). Maybe my profile pic sucks? My settings look good. I am unsure of what the F is going on.

Keep us updated on your TF success rate.[/QUOTE]Something that personally worked well for me is by using this - [URL]https://tfmi.wtf/[/URL].

And sorting list according to latest reviewed or entry. So it makes sure that I am only contacting those girls who are in the business, and almost everyone responded back too. The average rate I booked was 2k for short time.

Had some encounters with 2 k for overnight too, where I promised to buy them breakfast at the morning.

Very helpful. Thanks a lot. Very helpful.

Will absolutely plan to go to Tulips. Have this thing for anal with 40+ woman 😊.

Annies has been my goto in the past.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Kukooo;2925052]Most Thermae girls charge on Average 2500-3000 THB, for TF girls I recommend somewhere between 1500-2500 at max.

Good friends of mine continue to do at 1000 and 1500 but in Pattaya.

If you want to try someone above 40+, Tulip Massage in Bangkok is gold spot.[/QUOTE]

I took premium and manually set location as Bangkok.

No dearth of responses frankly.

Just 1 pic of mine there and I am an extremely average looking guy.

I took membership 2 weeks before (travel this week). J think responses have been good.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2925055]Since you mentioned TF. I have used TF off and on since 2019 and met a few girls. But lately, I am getting almost zero response. I've set my location to LOS Angeles (probably a mistake and should set it to a Thai location). Maybe my profile pic sucks? My settings look good. I am unsure of what the F is going on.

Keep us updated on your TF success rate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kiran1411;2925186]I took premium and manually set location as Bangkok.

No dearth of responses frankly.

Just 1 pic of mine there and I am an extremely average looking guy.

I took membership 2 weeks before (travel this week). J think responses have been good.[/QUOTE]I use TF a lot when in Thailand. I'm the wrong side of 60 and never had a problem hooking up with nice girls.

The thing that anoys me is people that don't read your message. If they responded with 'you're a dirty old pervert and we wouldn't be seen dead with you' I'd probably say fair enough. However, about 50% of the good looking girls don't read the message and never reply (I guess they gets lots of messages).

The biggest drawback of TF is that you can't force people to respect your preferences. As a result if you say you're looking for girls in Bangkok who are under 30 you get bombarded by grannies who are 60+ and live miles away. Correct city? Lots are not even in the right country (and some not even the right continent).

Still, better than some of the sugar daddy sites. I was in Indonesia and was contacted by a woman in Sweden. She offered to spend some time with me if I paid for her business class air fare back to Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2925233]I use TF a lot when in Thailand. I'm the wrong side of 60 and never had a problem hooking up with nice girls.

The thing that anoys me is people that don't read your message. If they responded with 'you're a dirty old pervert and we wouldn't be seen dead with you' I'd probably say fair enough. However, about 50% of the good looking girls don't read the message and never reply (I guess they gets lots of messages).

The biggest drawback of TF is that you can't force people to respect your preferences. As a result if you say you're looking for girls in Bangkok who are under 30 you get bombarded by grannies who are 60+ and live miles away. Correct city? Lots are not even in the right country (and some not even the right continent).

[/QUOTE]Hey L man, the same thing happens in Filipino Cupid. I took the time to write a very specific profile for what I'm looking for and most do not read it. Obviously trying to dissuade the old grannies but they still bombard me. Sometimes I write back and tell them to send me pics of their granddaughter if she's over 18, slim and has a big pair of tatas. Cheers.

BTW if you know any girls like that (slim, STACKED) in BKK I appreciate the referral. I go BKK sometimes (live in PI). Buy you some beer if our schedules coincide.

[QUOTE=Kukooo;2925052]Most Thermae girls charge on Average 2500-3000 THB, for TF girls I recommend somewhere between 1500-2500 at max.

Good friends of mine continue to do at 1000 and 1500 but in Pattaya.

If you want to try someone above 40+, Tulip Massage in Bangkok is gold spot.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Was just watching a YouTuber from Thailand talk about prices at Thermae and he said that they couldn't get girls to move below 5000 baht for ST. They wouldn't take 4000 unless they were some of the older women there. And none of the women would agree to go anywhere but the hotel upstairs.

[QUOTE=GorditaLover;2925369]Interesting. Was just watching a YouTuber from Thailand talk about prices at Thermae and he said that they couldn't get girls to move below 5000 baht for ST. They wouldn't take 4000 unless they were some of the older women there. And none of the women would agree to go anywhere but the hotel upstairs.[/QUOTE]Nah. Either that guy asking must be too old or godshit ugly.

I was there last month, and I had girls at 3000 baht. Some very young hotties ask for 4000, but get down to 3 k-3. 5 k too.

PS- I am Indian. Although many people here say that Indians face racism there, girls reject them, never even happened to me once though. Even if it is true, and Indians are not their prime choice, and if i can get them at 3k, then I believe all others can get it easily too. Honestly, personally I never even heard anyone quoting 5k to me either.. highest I was quoted was 4k, which I straightly refused.

[QUOTE=Davey1965;2924602]She has 609 K subscribers and millions of views. Her income is most likely easy pushing 6 figures a year. I'm into the car scene in America and it's always amazing when at some of the car and coffee events that cater towards exotics finding out what people do for a living. I've met more than a few young YouTubers that had a few million subscribers making money that you just shake you head at. Makes you think it took many decades and hard work for many of us to be able to afford the hobby and there are these young 20 & 30 somethings making some serious coin on their YouTube channels. I give them credit being able to take advantage of new technology to create wealth.[/QUOTE]Who is this girl with 609 K subscribers and millions of views?

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2925444]Who is this girl with 609 K subscribers and millions of views?[/QUOTE]Puy Roti lady.

[QUOTE=GorditaLover;2925369]Interesting. Was just watching a YouTuber from Thailand talk about prices at Thermae and he said that they couldn't get girls to move below 5000 baht for ST. They wouldn't take 4000 unless they were some of the older women there. And none of the women would agree to go anywhere but the hotel upstairs.[/QUOTE]Don't believe YouTubers. LOL. They only want to say shit to get views.

A business partner had to cancel a dinner meeting at the last minute, so I was free in the evening and I made a quick trip to Thermae. Yes, the prettier girls are now charging 3500 for ST and most were insisting on going upstairs rather than using my hotel (which was just a block away!) so that's another 700. And yes, the pretty girl I took (Cherry), gave a pretty mediocre service. Only CBJ (yes, I stupidly didn't check beforehand) and she got 'tired' quickly, so I had to do all the work to get myself off while she just lay there!

Hi.

I only just cop'd on that the 'fast track' immigration services for when you arrive at the airports (to allegedly skip the queues at immigration) is open for all to buy, (I thought it was just business class arrivals initially).

My question is, has anyone used it, or is it worthwhile in your opinion? Seems to be about 60 USD / Euro.

[QUOTE=GorditaLover;2925369]Interesting. Was just watching a YouTuber from Thailand talk about prices at Thermae and he said that they couldn't get girls to move below 5000 baht for ST. They wouldn't take 4000 unless they were some of the older women there. And none of the women would agree to go anywhere but the hotel upstairs.[/QUOTE]When does Thermae close for the night? I read somewhere that some girls might be more flexible during the last hour if they have not secured any business yet in terms of rates. Can anyone confirm this?

[QUOTE=DCups;2925290]Hey L man, the same thing happens in Filipino Cupid. I took the time to write a very specific profile for what I'm looking for and most do not read it. Obviously trying to dissuade the old grannies but they still bombard me. Sometimes I write back and tell them to send me pics of their granddaughter if she's over 18, slim and has a big pair of tatas. Cheers.

BTW if you know any girls like that (slim, STACKED) in BKK I appreciate the referral. I go BKK sometimes (live in PI). Buy you some beer if our schedules coincide.[/QUOTE]I'm not into girls that are 'top heavy', prefer medium size and firm.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2925493]A business partner had to cancel a dinner meeting at the last minute, so I was free in the evening and I made a quick trip to Thermae. Yes, the prettier girls are now charging 3500 for ST and most were insisting on going upstairs rather than using my hotel (which was just a block away!) so that's another 700. And yes, the pretty girl I took (Cherry), gave a pretty mediocre service. Only CBJ (yes, I stupidly didn't check beforehand) and she got 'tired' quickly, so I had to do all the work to get myself off while she just lay there![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2925584]When does Thermae close for the night? I read somewhere that some girls might be more flexible during the last hour if they have not secured any business yet in terms of rates. Can anyone confirm this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Davey1965;2925476]Don't believe YouTubers. LOL. They only want to say shit to get views.[/QUOTE]You can search out my posts on Thermae of you care to. I'm there every month. I hate to dispute with YouTubers but:

As of last week, it was 2500 B and the girls will go to a local hotel. Once the place closes at 2 am, the girls tend tend to scatter, but some will remain outside. I personally can't tell you what the girls do with pricing at that time since, sorry to be insulting to Cheap Charlies, I don't concern myself with 500 baht. I find it a bit distasteful to nickle and dime some hardbody when she is about to play pornstar for me. Maybe that's why I always get good service.

I have been quoted higher than 2500-3000, but that's usually a girls way of messaging that she really doesn't want to do me.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2925584]When does Thermae close for the night? I read somewhere that some girls might be more flexible during the last hour if they have not secured any business yet in terms of rates. Can anyone confirm this?[/QUOTE]When I stayed til the end, 2 am was when it closed. A few ladies I've taken said they like to take the train back so gone before midnight.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2925584]When does Thermae close for the night? I read somewhere that some girls might be more flexible during the last hour if they have not secured any business yet in terms of rates. Can anyone confirm this?[/QUOTE]Last I looked the posted closing was 01:00 but the actual closing was 02:00. I've evolved into more of a go go bar fine type, but my Thermae experience is that the girls are more willing shortly before closing and after closing while hanging around outside. One example from February was at about 23:00 a girl turned me down, but at 02:15 I walked by her on the street and she offered to go with me for the terms that she rejected 3 hours prior.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2925647]Last I looked the posted closing was 01:00 but the actual closing was 02:00. I've evolved into more of a go go bar fine type, but my Thermae experience is that the girls are more willing shortly before closing and after closing while hanging around outside. One example from February was at about 23:00 a girl turned me down, but at 02:15 I walked by her on the street and she offered to go with me for the terms that she rejected 3 hours prior.[/QUOTE]That's when you are justified in telling her that your rates have also dropped from the earlier offer.

[QUOTE=GorditaLover;2925369]Interesting. Was just watching a YouTuber from Thailand talk about prices at Thermae and he said that they couldn't get girls to move below 5000 baht for ST. They wouldn't take 4000 unless they were some of the older women there. And none of the women would agree to go anywhere but the hotel upstairs.[/QUOTE]Maybe she knew he had a camera in her face, hopefully she did anyway and told him where to go!

I've no issue whatsoever with the staff at Thermae they have always been so good and friendly to me (and keep the ladyboys out) but hopefully they can manage the increasing scum with the cameras that are getting in. Hopefully when they are found out they are barred etc.

It's getting ridiculous at this stage, you can barely walk down Nana now a night or around Thermae without some jerk with a camera lurking. I spotted myself in one last year in a bar. It's not nice feeling thinking of friends, family, work colleagues etc that could stumble apon it.

I know it's a risk you take, but when you are just sitting have a few drinks, minding your own business, people's privacy should be respected. And that includes the girls.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2925611]You can search out my posts on Thermae of you care to. I'm there every month. I hate to dispute with YouTubers but:

As of last week, it was 2500 B and the girls will go to a local hotel. Once the place closes at 2 am, the girls tend tend to scatter, but some will remain outside. I personally can't tell you what the girls do with pricing at that time since, sorry to be insulting to Cheap Charlies, I don't concern myself with 500 baht. I find it a bit distasteful to nickle and dime some hardbody when she is about to play pornstar for me. Maybe that's why I always get good service.

I have been quoted higher than 2500-3000, but that's usually a girls way of messaging that she really doesn't want to do me.[/QUOTE]Fwiw I was there last week. I was having a drink sitting in that center enclosure when a cutie, probably late 20's, walked in and went and stood at the rear of the room. By the time I got around to where she was standing a young dude was already glued chatting with her. So I walked by and came back some 10 minutes later. She was by herself and I asked where she was from. Chiang Mai. I asked if she wanted to go with me and she said yes and we started walking out, at which point I asked how much she said 3 k? I said okay. Took her to a rooftop then hotel. Okay in bed but then we went out clubbing and she was a fun party girl till early dawn. Ended up 7 k long time haha.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2925708]Fwiw I was there last week. I was having a drink sitting in that center enclosure when a cutie, probably late 20's, walked in and went and stood at the rear of the room. By the time I got around to where she was standing a young dude was already glued chatting with her. So I walked by and came back some 10 minutes later. She was by herself and I asked where she was from. Chiang Mai. I asked if she wanted to go with me and she said yes and we started walking out, at which point I asked how much she said 3 k? I said okay. Took her to a rooftop then hotel. Okay in bed but then we went out clubbing and she was a fun party girl till early dawn. Ended up 7 k long time haha.[/QUOTE]That's how its done there, kudos to you.

Bet she wouldn't have hung with you all night if you had nickel and dimed her at the get go.

By the way, are you old white and repulsive too?

I am planning a week long trip to Thailand. Will stay in Bangkok for couple of days. Would the experienced mongers help me plan my days. There are so many options, its kinda overwhelming. I went to strip clubs in US and really enjoyed it and Girlie bars in Cambodia (loved Phnom Penh). Would like to experience something of similar sorts. Soapy massage is something that's on my list. I sorted out couple of places for it but want to know what's the best for PSA (with 2 girls).

[QUOTE=LocalBandha;2925931]I am planning a week long trip to Thailand. Will stay in Bangkok for couple of days. Would the experienced mongers help me plan my days. There are so many options, its kinda overwhelming. I went to strip clubs in US and really enjoyed it and Girlie bars in Cambodia (loved Phnom Penh). Would like to experience something of similar sorts. Soapy massage is something that's on my list. I sorted out couple of places for it but want to know what's the best for PSA (with 2 girls).[/QUOTE]If you can't take the time to read the forum and ask some specific questions why should we plan your time for you?

And beyond that bro, if you need to have strangers on the net plan your pussy for you, I suggest you get your feet wet in a local chicken shack for a while so you can learn the ropes, which evidently you haven't learned.

[QUOTE=LocalBandha;2925931]I am planning a week long trip to Thailand. Will stay in Bangkok for couple of days. Would the experienced mongers help me plan my days. There are so many options, its kinda overwhelming. I went to strip clubs in US and really enjoyed it and Girlie bars in Cambodia (loved Phnom Penh). Would like to experience something of similar sorts. Soapy massage is something that's on my list. I sorted out couple of places for it but want to know what's the best for PSA (with 2 girls).[/QUOTE]Head to Nuru massage parlors, they are tons in Bangkok. My favorite places have been Doki Doki, MITU (SOAP Massage) and Aya, you won't be disappointed.

Since Bangkok is the buzzing capital city, explore massagerepublic and order some chicks home, obviously paying more prices than normal street freelancers but definitely an experience.

Additional options include street freelancers along Sukhumvit stretch, Go Go bar girls -- nana plaza, soi cowboy and Blowjob bars -- heaven and wood bars.

Hope you enjoy your time.

[QUOTE=GorditaLover;2925369]Interesting. Was just watching a YouTuber from Thailand talk about prices at Thermae and he said that they couldn't get girls to move below 5000 baht for ST. They wouldn't take 4000 unless they were some of the older women there. And none of the women would agree to go anywhere but the hotel upstairs.[/QUOTE]I was at thermae last October / November, picked women many a times, Highest I paid at that time was 3000 THB for a hot chick 8/10, others were mostly quoting 2500 THB and I tipped them additional 200 if their behavior and service was good through out.

[QUOTE=LocalBandha;2925931]I am planning a week long trip to Thailand. Will stay in Bangkok for couple of days. Would the experienced mongers help me plan my days. There are so many options, its kinda overwhelming. I went to strip clubs in US and really enjoyed it and Girlie bars in Cambodia (loved Phnom Penh). Would like to experience something of similar sorts. Soapy massage is something that's on my list. I sorted out couple of places for it but want to know what's the best for PSA (with 2 girls).[/QUOTE]With my limited experience, IMO, PSE is available in only three to four massage parlours in Bangkok, they are.

A. Tulip b. Snowwhite c . Cherry d. Bamboo.

I request more experinced brothers to further add up on this list.

[QUOTE=Kukooo;2925992]Head to Nuru massage parlors, they are tons in Bangkok. My favorite places have been Doki Doki, MITU (SOAP Massage) and Aya, you won't be disappointed.

Since Bangkok is the buzzing capital city, explore massagerepublic and order some chicks home, obviously paying more prices than normal street freelancers but definitely an experience.

Additional options include street freelancers along Sukhumvit stretch, Go Go bar girls -- nana plaza, soi cowboy and Blowjob bars -- heaven and wood bars.

Hope you enjoy your time.[/QUOTE]Massage Republic?

Bwaaaaaaahaha. OK LOL. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2926243]Massage Republic?

Bwaaaaaaahaha. OK LOL. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I usually pick 1-2 girls from Massagerepublic during my 30 day trip every year.

Are they expensive? Definitely yes, also I have paid 5000 THB plus at MITU and Soapy parlors.

Am I exploring pricier circuit? Not everyday but occasionally yes. I have met girls between 2500 THB and 6000 THB, never beyond that.

I have got better experiences, A+ women and good number of repeats with some lovely women. Thermae is a hit or miss place, mostly a miss.

I do not recommend online choices though for every ding, once in a week or while is sensible and a different experience.

I used to frequent Eden Club way back when. Marc was a decent fellow, I remember this one time I chatted with him before a session and hit it off.
When it came time to select girls, the rule was that you picked the first girl, and she'd pick her partner.
This is how they got sessions for older women, because the unwritten rule was that the younger girls had to pick older sisters.
So I picked, and when I started heading to the room, Marc stopped us, and replaced the older lady with a young hottie.

That was a GREAT session.

Anyway, let's say a prayer and wish a pleasant afterlife for him. Rest in Pussy.

Maybe now that the pandemic is over, Devils Den will be revived. I liked that place as well!

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2709199]Holy crap. This is really sad. Marc was a good guy, nice, and operated a really interesting spot.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2304654/two-dead-one-wounded-in-shooting-at-bangkok-cold-cuts-company
Guessing we'll never seen a spot like his again in Bangkok, maybe nowhere if Devil's Den in Pattaya is gone. Sad for Marc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kukooo;2926363]I usually pick 1-2 girls from Massagerepublic during my 30 day trip every year.

Are they expensive? Definitely yes, also I have paid 5000 THB plus at MITU and Soapy parlors.

Am I exploring pricier circuit? Not everyday but occasionally yes. I have met girls between 2500 THB and 6000 THB, never beyond that.

I have got better experiences, A+ women and good number of repeats with some lovely women. Thermae is a hit or miss place, mostly a miss.

I do not recommend online choices though for every ding, once in a week or while is sensible and a different experience.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kukooo;2925993]I was at thermae last October / November, picked women many a times, Highest I paid at that time was 3000 THB for a hot chick 8/10, others were mostly quoting 2500 THB and I tipped them additional 200 if their behavior and service was good through out.[/QUOTE]What was it mostly a miss or was service good throughout? If you're going to contradict yourself, try to let some pages get in between the post.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2926378]I used to frequent Eden Club way back when. Marc was a decent fellow, I remember this one time I chatted with him before a session and hit it off.
When it came time to select girls, the rule was that you picked the first girl, and she'd pick her partner.
This is how they got sessions for older women, because the unwritten rule was that the younger girls had to pick older sisters.
So I picked, and when I started heading to the room, Marc stopped us, and replaced the older lady with a young hottie.

That was a GREAT session.

Anyway, let's say a prayer and wish a pleasant afterlife for him. Rest in Pussy.

Maybe now that the pandemic is over, Devils Den will be revived. I liked that place as well![/QUOTE]That man Marc was sick in the head, deranged and mentally unstable. He wanted to kill his girlfriend, another Frenchman and then himself in a murder-suicide plot. His suicide note detailed everything. His girlfriend was killed and then he got killed by the other Frenchman in a struggle over the gun. You have to be a serious phycho lunatic to try to carry out something like that and then want to killed yourself in the end. He was not a good person at all. Pure evil.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2926458]What was it mostly a miss or was service good throughout? If you're going to contradict yourself, try to let some pages get in between the post.[/QUOTE]The major miss with Thermae girls was the attitude, they know they look good, hence always in a rush to get the work done and rush to cafe for another customer. In one word, "Everything feels rushed".

Bath-Foreplay-Act-pack up.

This is exactly my miss and nothing else, not that somebody was rude or did not agree to things.

However with the massagerepublic pickups, purely my personal experience -- booked them in the evenings and they really didn't do that as far I have seen. Ladies went to the extent that they gave me a nice massage before and after, those little things are what I would call "Nice".

BTW -- Whatever Thermae reports I have posted are only good apples, I didn't report on bad experiences.

[QUOTE=Kukooo;2926556]The major miss with Thermae girls was the attitude, they know they look good, hence always in a rush to get the work done and rush to cafe for another customer. In one word, "Everything feels rushed".

Bath-Foreplay-Act-pack up.

This is exactly my miss and nothing else, not that somebody was rude or did not agree to things.

However with the massagerepublic pickups, purely my personal experience -- booked them in the evenings and they really didn't do that as far I have seen. Ladies went to the extent that they gave me a nice massage before and after, those little things are what I would call "Nice".

BTW -- Whatever Thermae reports I have posted are only good apples, I didn't report on bad experiences.[/QUOTE]I agree with you.

Girls from MR or Smooci are much better from GFE POV.

Ofc you have to pay almost double to them, but some of them are worth it for some days; if money is not an issue for you.

Also in my exp they have been more non-mechanical and non-rushy. Thermae girls sometimes don't properly know how to ride or are mechanical, maybe due to their nature of being in this business for part-time only.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2926656]I agree with you.

Girls from MR or Smooci are much better from GFE POV.

Ofc you have to pay almost double to them, but some of them are worth it for some days; if money is not an issue for you.

Also in my exp they have been more non-mechanical and non-rushy. Thermae girls sometimes don't properly know how to ride or are mechanical, maybe due to their nature of being in this business for part-time only.[/QUOTE]ST for Thermae girls is 3 k for one hour, 5 k for 2 hours.

Most of them will complain about pain after 15 minutes after taking all the money upfront and make life hell for you in the room.

I had 3 experiences in Thermae, and each time it got worse.

Until 2022, you could pay 3 k for 2 hours and some of my friends got girls for just 4 k for the whole night.

These days, they kinda have an understanding. Even they agree to everything in the club, they won't do much apart from opening legs for penetrations in the room.

I found picking up girls from Soicowboy to be worth it. Last time, I got a young one for 3 k for LT plus 1 k bar fine and additional 500 baht for drinks.

Destination: Bangkok- Sukhumvit, Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza.

Women: You can get some very attractive women here in the gogos. I am impressed, as always you must weed through the girls to find the ones who you consider high level. I am used to Latin America so it is a bit disappointing there isn't as much curvy girls, but the talent is great none the less. The beer bar girls are cool but honestly, I have found them to be sub-par, I put them in the 5-6 range with maybe some 7's running around. The young beautiful fit and sexy girls are in the gogos. I haven't had time to hit any night clubs yet so I cannot comment there. For the most part, the attitudes have been very good, but I did encounter 2 girls who gave me the look and attitude like "you aren't shit get the fuck away from me". I roll low key and I am respectful so it was strange to get that from some of the girls, but 95% of them are grabbing at you and calling you over when you walk through cowboy or by the bars in Nana so its all good. I would say the full on baby love making GFE rate is over 50%, first girl I grabbed was a stunner but she gave me bad service with covered blow job and little kissing, so I very politely told her I was going to sleep so I could go back out and get what I wanted. The standard rate seems to be $3000 baht for ST and a $1000 baht bar fine, so 4000 total and I have been in splurge mode so I haven't negotiated that price. I am buckling down now and I am going to start seeing how low I can get them. I did have some girls in the bar tell me 5000 for ST, and I think that means they are probably tired from being fucked already or they just really don't want to go with you. The massages have been amazing, don't go to a massage place for sex, just pay the 500 baht fee and throw them a 1000 baht for a hand job at the end, but I have been loving the massages. Colombia and Mexico cannot fuck with the massage game of Thailand. Its a huge plus.

*So here is my advice guys should really read that I didn't consider before coming*.

These girls in the gogos are so good at flirting and pushing your buttons. I am hardened as fuck in the monger game and this one girl gave me little kid butterflies like I was a school boy again. I am glad I have done my research and I know the game because it would be so easy for a newbie to fall for these girls tricks. They really know what the fuck they are doing. In all my travels these girls can really flirt and pull your strings and get you going. Be careful guys and know this before going in if its your first time.

Travel: Travel from USA is fucking brutal. I didn't realize how bad it actually is. You will be jet lagged for days. I would say it takes close to a week to really get settled in fully from the time difference. Next time I travel, I am going to book flights over two days so I can sleep in a hotel one night and not blast straight through. It was extremely unpleasant traveling 30 hours straight on planes and in airports. BTW one way flight was $800 USD.

Food and Hotels: They are good and I am happy. I thought food would be a little cheaper but its not bad at all. Short TIME hotels in Bangkok are $500 baht to $300 baht for 1 hour ST. I really wish the gogos had rooms in the actual place though instead of having to take the girls out and patrol past all the bars and girls you want to fuck later haha. The gym I have been going to is very good and they seem to be top notch.

Overall I really like Bangkok and I can confirm it is still the premier monger Destination in the world. The only country I have not mongered in is Brazil, but I think Thailand would be hard to beat. That being said, if you are coming from the USA, unless you have 3 FULL WEEKENDS to party in Thailand, I would still plan a shorter trip to any major destination in Latin America. The Travel is just too fucking brutal.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2926698]ST for Thermae girls is 3 k for one hour, 5 k for 2 hours.

Most of them will complain about pain after 15 minutes after taking all the money upfront and make life hell for you in the room.

I had 3 experiences in Thermae, and each time it got worse.

Until 2022, you could pay 3 k for 2 hours and some of my friends got girls for just 4 k for the whole night.

These days, they kinda have an understanding. Even they agree to everything in the club, they won't do much apart from opening legs for penetrations in the room.

I found picking up girls from Soicowboy to be worth it. Last time, I got a young one for 3 k for LT plus 1 k bar fine and additional 500 baht for drinks.[/QUOTE]Yes exactly, although I didn't have all bad experiences.

If you compare now just with money proposition, then their rate is same as of Smooci premium 1 HR basic girls, but usually those who are charging 7 k for 2 hrs, I had better time with them. But again, at the cost of extra money, which I don't mind for some days.

Fiwfans and TF are best in this area. But only from money's POV. I had bad experience with Fiwfans service-wise though + I don't really like to visit incall, so double negative for me.

Keeping only service in mind, atleast for me, High end Smooci girls and MR on general, were the best. In massage parlours also, some girls which are very good and even better than the former with lesser price, so I just ask their number after service.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2926737]Travel: Travel from USA is fucking brutal. I didn't realize how bad it actually is. You will be jet lagged for days. I would say it takes close to a week to really get settled in fully from the time difference. Next time I travel, I am going to book flights over two days so I can sleep in a hotel one night and not blast straight through. It was extremely unpleasant traveling 30 hours straight on planes and in airports. BTW one way flight was $800 USD.[/QUOTE]I have at least 30 trips in an out to Thailand from the USA and Europe and here is the best advice I can give travelers to the USA based on present conditions. Plus my rule is I try never to do the whole trip in one leg.

Going in to Thailand from the east coast, your best bet is to fly to LA, lay over and then go to BKK the next day. Avoid Singapore Air, its 17 hours in the air and then fast changes in a huge airport. I prefer Japan (11 hours plus 5) or Tapei (12 plus 6) or Seoul (13 plus 4), air times are approximate. The airports in Japan and Korea are better than Taipei. If you want to be a cheap charlie and have no bags and are young and healthy by all means do the 17 hour Singapore flight, its around $400. There is a cheap flight on Philippines Air, but only masochists and Filipinas deal with the Manila airport. My upcoming trip in August (I'm on the East coast of USA) will be direct in to Phnom Penh so unless I chose to layover in Bangkok, I'm going out of LA.

If you live West of the Mississippi, head to LA.

My complication is that when I go into Thailand, I generally have 55 pounds of cologne, mash, peanuts, glass, clothes that fit, etc. Plus I have to come in from a satellite airport. Plus I have to go on to Siem Reap. So I tend to avoid the alternate way in, which would be NYC-Frankfurt-Bkk. 8 hours from NYC to FRA, layover in Frankfurt, 11 hours daily to BKK on Thai air. Layovers in Frankfurt tend to be expensive, especially if you know about FKKs.

A trip entails careful planning: Thus, on a recent trip, no bag, I landed in Frankfurt at 7 am, cleared Imm by 8, got on the Darmstadt Airbus (stop number 14), got into Darmstadt at 9:30 ish, chilled with some coffee, went over to FKK sharks where I stayed rolling in Romanian pussy till 4 am, then cabbed to the bus stop and smoked weed by myself for an hour till the bus came to pick me up to the airport. That's a $1000 dollar layover though depending on your virility. On another trip out of Bangkok, I used the train and stayed in Darmstadt (Inter City and Dormero Hotels are nice) instead of being an animal all night in an FKK.

Its all a question of how you like to travel. I am too old to sleep in airports or enter an airport and come out of a different one 30 hours later. I view travel in terms of days, one day to get here and one day to get there.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2926737]Destination: Bangkok- Sukhumvit, Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza.

Women: You can get some very attractive women here in the gogos. I am impressed, as always you must weed through the girls to find the ones who you consider high level. I am used to Latin America so it is a bit disappointing there isn't as much curvy girls, but the talent is great none the less. The beer bar girls are cool but honestly, I have found them to be sub-par, I put them in the 5-6 range with maybe some 7's running around. The young beautiful fit and sexy girls are in the gogos. I haven't had time to hit any night clubs yet so I cannot comment there. For the most part, the attitudes have been very good, but I did encounter 2 girls who gave me the look and attitude like "you aren't shit get the fuck away from me". I roll low key and I am respectful so it was strange to get that from some of the girls, but 95% of them are grabbing at you and calling you over when you walk through cowboy or by the bars in Nana so its all good. I would say the full on baby love making GFE rate is over 50%, first girl I grabbed was a stunner but she gave me bad service with covered blow job and little kissing, so I very politely told her I was going to sleep so I could go back out and get what I wanted. The standard rate seems to be $3000 baht for ST and a $1000 baht bar fine, so 4000 total and I have been in splurge mode so I haven't negotiated that price. I am buckling down now and I am going to start seeing how low I can get them. I did have some girls in the bar tell me 5000 for ST, and I think that means they are probably tired from being fucked already or they just really don't want to go with you. The massages have been amazing, don't go to a massage place for sex, just pay the 500 baht fee and throw them a 1000 baht for a hand job at the end, but I have been loving the massages. Colombia and Mexico cannot fuck with the massage game of Thailand. Its a huge plus.

*So here is my advice guys should really read that I didn't consider before coming*.

These girls in the gogos are so good at flirting and pushing your buttons. I am hardened as fuck in the monger game and this one girl gave me little kid butterflies like I was a school boy again. I am glad I have done my research and I know the game because it would be so easy for a newbie to fall for these girls tricks. They really know what the fuck they are doing. In all my travels these girls can really flirt and pull your strings and get you going. Be careful guys and know this before going in if its your first time.

Travel: Travel from USA is fucking brutal. I didn't realize how bad it actually is. You will be jet lagged for days. I would say it takes close to a week to really get settled in fully from the time difference. Next time I travel, I am going to book flights over two days so I can sleep in a hotel one night and not blast straight through. It was extremely unpleasant traveling 30 hours straight on planes and in airports. BTW one way flight was $800 USD.

Food and Hotels: They are good and I am happy. I thought food would be a little cheaper but its not bad at all. Short TIME hotels in Bangkok are $500 baht to $300 baht for 1 hour ST. I really wish the gogos had rooms in the actual place though instead of having to take the girls out and patrol past all the bars and girls you want to fuck later haha. The gym I have been going to is very good and they seem to be top notch.

Overall I really like Bangkok and I can confirm it is still the premier monger Destination in the world. The only country I have not mongered in is Brazil, but I think Thailand would be hard to beat. That being said, if you are coming from the USA, unless you have 3 FULL WEEKENDS to party in Thailand, I would still plan a shorter trip to any major destination in Latin America. The Travel is just too fucking brutal.[/QUOTE]Great report and I think spot on on most everything. A couple tips from a guy who has done Europe, AP, and South America. First you are totally right on the flight times. Best thing to do it break it up with Europe in the middle. Book one round trip. To London, Zurich, Madrid, or Frankfurt. And book a second round trip from that city to Bangkok. Often this will come out cheaper beleive it or not but it also helps fix the mega travel problem. Choose your city based off fares and what type of fucking you like as follows:

London Diva Escorts. Amazing incall with primarily Romanian girls and recently a bunch of Brazilians. Top notch girls and experience. But pretty much $400/ hour. Def have to try it some time. Unlike the US the I call is her actual apartment. Fucking in her bed is just something special. LOL.

Frankfurt Sharks and Oase FKK. Every man must do FKK. Tons of naked women. Buffet. Sauna. Fuck any girl you like right there on site. Good format to fuck a few. I did two one night and three the next recently. $200/ HR.

Zurich Globe FKK. Same as Frankfurt butter better quality, particularly for service. No fat chicks. Top service. You can also get BBBJ in public there (illegal in Germany). Nothing like throwing open your towel and having s girl go down on you while you survey the club and drink your Heineken. $300/ HR.

Madrid Vive. This is the closest thing in Europe to Brasil's Boates. Fully clothed but sexy women in a bar format. 90% Latinas. Fuck on site. $220/ HR.

I would highly recommend breaking a trip into two pieces like this.

Second, I'm going to have to say until you have done Brazil you have not lived. Esp if you like Latinas. The best club in the world no debate is Scandallo in So Paulo. 100-200 girls all fit and pretty. Luxe nightclub (like nicest you have ever been to). And Brazilian girls are simply the best. Love to kiss and BJ. Like there is no "kissing is extra". Brazilian girls like literally can't have sex without kissing. Plus no rush. You can hang and make out and chat and drink with a girl for an hour before you go to the room. Totally not at all like FKK.

Word of caution do Brasil last because you will be spoiled and it's all downhill from there. I still love Thailand and FKK but they are number 2 and 3 on my list respectively after Brasil.

PS side benefit is even though its like a ten hour flight its only two hours ahead of eastern so no major jet lag.

All of the previous reports tend to show how YMMV the whole scene is. For example, I would never waste my time on an Escort or Fiw Fans or TF simply because I want to pick out what I am spending my money on in the flesh. I don't do massage parlours as I prefer my girls a bit more untouched. I don't do Soi Cowboy, too many tourists and too much drama.

I get all I need out of Thermae and Nana. At prices cheaper than that referenced here, but that's the beauty of being an old timer.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2926805]All of the previous reports tend to show how YMMV the whole scene is. For example, I would never waste my time on an Escort or Fiw Fans or TF simply because I want to pick out what I am spending my money on in the flesh. I don't do massage parlours as I prefer my girls a bit more untouched. I don't do Soi Cowboy, too many tourists and too much drama.

I get all I need out of Thermae and Nana. At prices cheaper than that referenced here, but that's the beauty of being an old timer.[/QUOTE]Your dick, your money, your choice!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2926801]I have at least 30 trips in an out to Thailand from the USA and Europe and here is the best advice I can give travelers to the USA based on present conditions. Plus my rule is I try never to do the whole trip in one leg.

Going in to Thailand from the east coast, your best bet is to fly to LA, lay over and then go to BKK the next day. Avoid Singapore Air, its 17 hours in the air and then fast changes in a huge airport. I prefer Japan (11 hours plus 5) or Tapei (12 plus 6) or Seoul (13 plus 4), air times are approximate. The airports in Japan and Korea are better than Taipei. If you want to be a cheap charlie and have no bags and are young and healthy by all means do the 17 hour Singapore flight, its around $400. There is a cheap flight on Philippines Air, but only masochists and Filipinas deal with the Manila airport. My upcoming trip in August (I'm on the East coast of USA) will be direct in to Phnom Penh so unless I chose to layover in Bangkok, I'm going out of LA.

If you live West of the Mississippi, head to LA.

My complication is that when I go into Thailand, I generally have 55 pounds of cologne, mash, peanuts, glass, clothes that fit, etc. Plus I have to come in from a satellite airport. Plus I have to go on to Siem Reap. So I tend to avoid the alternate way in, which would be NYC-Frankfurt-Bkk. 8 hours from NYC to FRA, layover in Frankfurt, 11 hours daily to BKK on Thai air. Layovers in Frankfurt tend to be expensive, especially if you know about FKKs.

A trip entails careful planning: Thus, on a recent trip, no bag, I landed in Frankfurt at 7 am, cleared Imm by 8, got on the Darmstadt Airbus (stop number 14), got into Darmstadt at 9:30 ish, chilled with some coffee, went over to FKK sharks where I stayed rolling in Romanian pussy till 4 am, then cabbed to the bus stop and smoked weed by myself for an hour till the bus came to pick me up to the airport. That's a $1000 dollar layover though depending on your virility. On another trip out of Bangkok, I used the train and stayed in Darmstadt (Inter City and Dormero Hotels are nice) instead of being an animal all night in an FKK.

Its all a question of how you like to travel. I am too old to sleep in airports or enter an airport and come out of a different one 30 hours later. I view travel in terms of days, one day to get here and one day to get there.[/QUOTE]I go to Thailand from the west coast of the US and it takes me three flights. I usually fly from LAX or SFO to Tokyo with an American airline and then connect through Tokyo on Thai Air.

I have split up by staying in Tokyo and also done direct. Either way works for me. Doesn't hurt to stay a few days in a beautiful place like Japan.

USD: THB at 37, best rate in years. Bad news is that the rates seem to be $USD 80 for a session and Bangkok is relatively expensive, noisy and polluted. GFE and anal not readily on the table, and its a minimum of 20 hours from the west coast, add another 6 for the east and pretty horrible time zone dislocation. Weed is legal, but that's best left the stoners. The beaches are polluted and insipid. It's not what is was in the 1990's and early noughties.

Brazil is USD: BRL 5. 65 which is also relatively high, and a low-mid quality session is $USD 17.70 (100 BRL) and a mind blowing, 1 hour threesome about $USD 60-70. GFE, DFK and anal tend to be automatically on offer. Weed can be found fairly easily if you want to be a stoner. Great beaches in several places, especially if you get out of Rio (and Rio is pretty good if you head south west).

It is said that good quality massage cannot be found in Brazil. I disagree. That's inexperienced tourist talk. You just have to shop around, and if you are serious, hit the physiotherapy angle and / or get a male for a sports massage but make it clear "no extras".

With flights direct from NYC, DC area, Atlanta and Miami or Dallas, Brazil is a no brainer.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2926737]Travel: Travel from USA is fucking brutal. I didn't realize how bad it actually is. You will be jet lagged for days. I would say it takes close to a week to really get settled in fully from the time difference. Next time I travel, I am going to book flights over two days so I can sleep in a hotel one night and not blast straight through. It was extremely unpleasant traveling 30 hours straight on planes and in airports. BTW one way flight was $800 USD.
[/QUOTE]Good report, thanks for contributing.

The trip is brutal, but I suggest a different imperfect solution to jetlag. I try to schedule short layover flights that arrive BKK in the afternoon and then I use the following routine: check in hotel, get laid, eat dinner, go to bed between about 7-10 PM, and sleep as long as possible. That usually gets me well rested and up in time for the hotel breakfast. Jetlag is about 80% resolved only 20 hours after arrival and is 95% resolved about 44 hours after arrival.

The zinger is flight prices. I'll take less than ideal flight schedule to save a good chunk of money.

I tried to search for a report but I guess there is none here. Any one tried this shit? This seems way up there, given average Bangkok prices.

[URL]https://www.eliteamourclub.com/models[/URL]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2926803]First you are totally right on the flight times. Best thing to do it break it up with Europe in the middle. Book one round trip. To London, Zurich, Madrid, or Frankfurt. And book a second round trip from that city to Bangkok. Often this will come out cheaper beleive it or not but it also helps fix the mega travel problem. Choose your city based off fares [/QUOTE]I pretty much do what Steve suggests. Flying from the East Coast before I created my own stopovers for a couple/several days whether it be Japan, Seoul, Hong Kong, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, etc then head down to SEA. Left me with very little, if any, jet lag. As long as the price is fairly close to what I would pay to fly continuously on a 1 stop flight for 24+ hours I'm in. The other option is take a long layover and go crash in sleeper "pods" at the airports. Even a 2 or 3 hour nap and to be able to shower is worth its weight in gold. The one in Incheon is particularly nice.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2926907]The zinger is flight prices. I'll take less than ideal flight schedule to save a good chunk of money.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty frugal but the one thing I will splurge for is paying more for air tickets if if means getting to my final destination hours before a cheaper flight. I know guys who will fly 2+ layovers to save a few hundred bucks. To me it's not worth it. Just get me there in the least amount of stops available. I personally hate sitting around in airports and unnecessarily going through airport security. Now I'm not like another friend of mine who says if the flight is more than 6 hours he won't go unless he's in a lay flat seat.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2926780]Yes exactly, although I didn't have all bad experiences.

If you compare now just with money proposition, then their rate is same as of Smooci premium 1 HR basic girls, but usually those who are charging 7 k for 2 hrs, I had better time with them. But again, at the cost of extra money, which I don't mind for some days.

Fiwfans and TF are best in this area. But only from money's POV. I had bad experience with Fiwfans service-wise though + I don't really like to visit incall, so double negative for me.

Keeping only service in mind, atleast for me, High end Smooci girls and MR on general, were the best. In massage parlours also, some girls which are very good and even better than the former with lesser price, so I just ask their number after service.[/QUOTE]I have two questions.

1. I want to ask you about TF.

Can you still get some good, young and pretty girls from there?

FIWFANS for me is a mind bending crap. All that trouble and still there is a big risk of bad service.

2. MR.

Do the girls really charge that much? Or is it like in some other countries where the actual charges are less than quoted there.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2926899]USD: THB at 37, best rate in years. Bad news is that the rates seem to be $USD 80 for a session and Bangkok is relatively expensive, noisy and polluted. GFE and anal not readily on the table, and its a minimum of 20 hours from the west coast, add another 6 for the east and pretty horrible time zone dislocation. Weed is legal, but that's best left the stoners. The beaches are polluted and insipid. It's not what is was in the 1990's and early noughties.

Brazil is USD: BRL 5. 65 which is also relatively high, and a low-mid quality session is $USD 17.70 (100 BRL) and a mind blowing, 1 hour threesome about $USD 60-70. GFE, DFK and anal tend to be automatically on offer. Weed can be found fairly easily if you want to be a stoner. Great beaches in several places, especially if you get out of Rio (and Rio is pretty good if you head south west).

It is said that good quality massage cannot be found in Brazil. I disagree. That's inexperienced tourist talk. You just have to shop around, and if you are serious, hit the physiotherapy angle and / or get a male for a sports massage but make it clear "no extras".

With flights direct from NYC, DC area, Atlanta and Miami or Dallas, Brazil is a no brainer.[/QUOTE]Except you can walk anywhere you want in Bangkok drunk and or stoned at 4:00 am And survive. Probably can't say that about Brazil.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2926872]Your dick, your money, your choice![/QUOTE]Yes I choose to maximize my good experiences at the lowest possible cost, unlike folks who way overspend on bad service or to cheap venues that are mostly designed for the less particular monger.

Folks should pay attention. Although It's your dick, your money and your choice too, Choose Wisely.

Another trip ended and got home.

TF premium was not bad at all. Plenty of responses.

Ended up taking services from 4 girls.

3 were 1500 and 1 was 2000.

The 2000 I just got carried away with her cute ass.

Good sessions. All did BBBJ, one offered anal (couldn't go through too tight to enjoy).

Picked up a couple SWs and as per suggestion here, went to Tulips for 40+ encounter. I would say Tulips was the most underwhelming of all encounters.

Thanks for suggestions nonetheless.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2925233]I use TF a lot when in Thailand. I'm the wrong side of 60 and never had a problem hooking up with nice girls.

The thing that anoys me is people that don't read your message. If they responded with 'you're a dirty old pervert and we wouldn't be seen dead with you' I'd probably say fair enough. However, about 50% of the good looking girls don't read the message and never reply (I guess they gets lots of messages).

The biggest drawback of TF is that you can't force people to respect your preferences. As a result if you say you're looking for girls in Bangkok who are under 30 you get bombarded by grannies who are 60+ and live miles away. Correct city? Lots are not even in the right country (and some not even the right continent).

Still, better than some of the sugar daddy sites. I was in Indonesia and was contacted by a woman in Sweden. She offered to spend some time with me if I paid for her business class air fare back to Jakarta.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2926872][b]Your dick, your money, your choice![/b][/QUOTE]Exactly! Choice is what it all about. The choices that work for you.

When I started traveling a 8 hour flight usually involved an aerial refueling if you were not on a 747-8 (9200 miles) or whatever series. I happen to find it amazing that MSP to ICN is 12 hours on an AirBus with just two engines. Those planes are mother fucking beasts. Modern miracles of human engineering. I prefer to do the trip straight through. These modern planes are so comfortable it is like sitting in your living room even in cattle class. I'm amazed. I make the flight straight through and I cannot believe how good I feel after the trip. It is a piece of cake compared to sleeping on a web seat in a plane designed for transport only. Although it was always nice to be able to lay down completely, but sometime riding in those cargo compartments was cold as fuck.

The choices available to us are amazing. No better time in human history to be alive!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2926801]Plus my rule is I try never to do the whole trip in one leg.

Going in to Thailand from the east coast, your best bet is to fly to LA, lay over and then go to BKK the next day.[/QUOTE]The problem is the LAX to BKK flight is around 20+ hours (2 legs). I also try to avoid multiple leg flights.

I've been doing the LAX to MNL flight (direct flight on Philippine Airline), staying for some time, and then going to BKK direct. There are also direct flights to Manila from SFO and JFK.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2926801]There is a cheap flight on Philippines Air, but only masochists and Filipinas deal with the Manila airport.[/QUOTE]Ya, Manila Airport is probably the worst airport I've been to. But if you just land, and get your hotel taxi to meet and pick you up, it isn't that bad.

Plus, you can avoid Manila airport leaving if you leave from Angeles (Clark Airport). There is a CRK to BKK flight with Cebu Pacific. Leaving from Clark if you're in Angeles is very convenient. Plus, you can stop by Clark from numerous cities if you return to LAX. Only problem is that going from Angeles to LAX can be a pain. The 2 hour taxi ride and dealing with Manila airport.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2927166]The problem is the LAX to BKK flight is around 20+ hours (2 legs). I also try to avoid multiple leg flights.

I've been doing the LAX to MNL flight (direct flight on Philippine Airline), staying for some time, and then going to BKK direct. There are also direct flights to Manila from SFO and JFK.

Ya, Manila Airport is probably the worst airport I've been to. But if you just land, and get your hotel taxi to meet and pick you up, it isn't that bad.

Plus, you can avoid Manila airport leaving if you leave from Angeles (Clark Airport). There is a CRK to BKK flight with Cebu Pacific. Leaving from Clark if you're in Angeles is very convenient. Plus, you can stop by Clark from numerous cities if you return to LAX. Only problem is that going from Angeles to LAX can be a pain. The 2 hour taxi ride and dealing with Manila airport.[/QUOTE]I'm going to have to bite the bullet on this flight and because I'm bringing a lot of swag and I don't want to have to clear customs twice. So it's direct LA to Phnom Penh, I think I'll go through Korea those are the easiest legs.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2927115]Exactly! Choice is what it all about. The choices that work for you.

When I started traveling a 8 hour flight usually involved an aerial refueling if you were not on a 747-8 (9200 miles) or whatever series. I happen to find it amazing that MSP to ICN is 12 hours on an AirBus with just two engines. Those planes are mother fucking beasts. Modern miracles of human engineering. I prefer to do the trip straight through. These modern planes are so comfortable it is like sitting in your living room even in cattle class. I'm amazed. I make the flight straight through and I cannot believe how good I feel after the trip. It is a piece of cake compared to sleeping on a web seat in a plane designed for transport only. Although it was always nice to be able to lay down completely, but sometime riding in those cargo compartments was cold as fuck.

The choices available to us are amazing. No better time in human history to be alive![/QUOTE]You got that right, amigo!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2927115]Exactly! Choice is what it all about. The choices that work for you.

When I started traveling a 8 hour flight usually involved an aerial refueling if you were not on a 747-8 (9200 miles) or whatever series. I happen to find it amazing that MSP to ICN is 12 hours on an AirBus with just two engines. Those planes are mother fucking beasts. Modern miracles of human engineering. I prefer to do the trip straight through. These modern planes are so comfortable it is like sitting in your living room even in cattle class. I'm amazed. I make the flight straight through and I cannot believe how good I feel after the trip. It is a piece of cake compared to sleeping on a web seat in a plane designed for transport only. Although it was always nice to be able to lay down completely, but sometime riding in those cargo compartments was cold as fuck.

The choices available to us are amazing. No better time in human history to be alive![/QUOTE]Yeah it's not as bad as it seems flying straight through. My next trip in August I fly from Lax to Tokyo Haneda with a long nine hour layover and then flight to BKK with an early morning 5:00 am arrival. While on the layover in Tokyo I have free lounge access so I'll be able to shower, eat and rest.

Arriving to BKK so early I see as a good thing as I will force myself to stay awake the whole day and not sleep until late evening or night so I can quickly get acclimated to the new time zone. Plus I have a very specific routine on my first day in BKK which I intend to implement.

Had a two night layover in BKK recently and had a pretty great time but man have prices gone up over the years!

First night was after a nap, shit, shower, and shave. Stayed at the Bangkok Marriott Hotel Sukhumvit. Very pleasant and visitor friendly, excellent breakfast.

Went down to Soi Cowboy and stopped in Crazy House. Upstairs was closed due to slow season but downstairs was quite crowded. Watched the show for a bit on the meat rack and got the attention of a 23 yr old all natural beauty. Terrible with names but pretty sure it was cici. She was very energetic and quite persuasive for a ST takeout. When I asked how much I was told 4 K plus 500 BF for one shot! WTF!? I started laughing and the price dropped 500. Nope. I offered 2 k +500 BF and settled on 2. 5 k +500. However, when mamasan came over she wanted me to pay her the full amount including the 2. 5 k! I've read about this BS and will not support it. I said I only pay drinks and BF to mamasan. 2. 5 k goes to lady after deed done. She tried to argue so I asked to pay drinks and leave. I got my way, slow season. Back at the hotel this was one of the better experiences I've had in a long time. Shower together, BBBJ, DATY, 69, standing mish, doggy, prone, finish and light massage with cuddles. Bye bye sweetheart, would repeat but did not like the none sense at Crazy House.

After a shower I walked down to Nana Plaza but really wasn't feeling it. On the way back to the hotel I dipped into Thermae Cafe and came out with a super cute low 20's with big fake DS. I don't usually go for the fakes but these were soft, perfect, and glorious! Agreed on 2. 5 h ST and it was well worth it but she took the piss out of me for no shower cap and a used wet towel hahaha. Didn't have 2 shots in me but she tried her best! Great time and would repeat. Night one complete.

Day two started with some local sightseeing and some great food as usual. After a nap and a light dinner I went back to the room and followed up with a recommendation from a friend for an outcall massage. I contacted thaihotelmassage (com) and asked for "Bam Bam", LOL. 45 min later the front desk called and confirmed I had a visitor. Send her up! Knock at the door and boy was I pleasantly surprised. And absolute 9-10 body with nice BS and late 20's early 30's. I thought they were real but she said fakes. I wasn't complaining at all. Super sweet and bubbly fun, shower, very nice medium pressure massage but she could go harder if I wanted, descent English. On the flip and after more massage she teased the goods and went into a nice BBBJ followed by the usual positions. Great eye contact and GFE all the way with two shots in our 90 minutes. Price! Almost forgot. I reserved the 90 minute full body oil massage for 1 k which included taxi. When Bam bam arrived she asked if I wanted extra service and I negotiated 2. 5 k for full service, two shots. Sooo 3. 5 k but the massage in my own room and good chemistry was well worth it, will and did repeat.

After a shower and getting a fresh shower cap and towel, LOL, I went out for a few drinks at Nana. Stopped in Angel Witch and enjoyed the rock and roll and fun stage shows. A hilarious cutie in her mid 30's, Lina or Linda, sat with me and kept the boys happy while I fed her drinks. Showed me her natural BS and gave me a free feel of the shaved kitty below. Agreed to 2. 5 k ST two shots, only had one in me after the drinks but had fun trying. 1. 2 k in drinks, 500 BF.

Day 3 was a short one with a flight that night. After some more sightseeing and food I called up thaihotelmassage (com) and tried to get bam bam again but no bueno. Instead I got "Yuna". Same great massage, attitude, performance, and price. Website said 29 but maybe early 30's, very fit and sexy with bolt on soft but perky DS. She was very playful and got quite aggressive when on top grinding away on Jr. She got my two shots easily and had a nice shower to finish.

Back to work and the real world for a while. Next report I'm hoping to make will be South Korea. Monger on brothers!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2927023]Yes I choose to maximize my good experiences at the lowest possible cost, unlike folks who way overspend on bad service or to cheap venues that are mostly designed for the less particular monger.

Folks should pay attention. Although It's your dick, your money and your choice too, Choose Wisely.[/QUOTE]Probably the big generational gap is the factor. I am practically not even 30, and girls which you so much enjoy from Thermae are completely mechanical for my taste. You'd be very surprised what GFE is nowdays for us younger generations. Although I am sure you have taken probably tons of girls, I have relatively smaller base of 10-12 girls from 2 visits, and I based my opinion from that.

Anyways like you said.

Your dick, your money, your choice.

I can only speak for myself, for me extra 500-1 k baht with GFE is much better than mechanical culture.

Although I agree with Fiwfans, I only pointed in terms of money value. I had a bad exp there too when I tried, twice, so it was just an exploration scene and probably no-repeat for future.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2926972]I have two questions.

1. I want to ask you about TF.

Can you still get some good, young and pretty girls from there?

FIWFANS for me is a mind bending crap. All that trouble and still there is a big risk of bad service.

2. MR.

Do the girls really charge that much? Or is it like in some other countries where the actual charges are less than quoted there.[/QUOTE]TF always works, especially if you are in Pattaya. In fact all girls I took till now from TF were less than 25 age. Mostly 20-22's.

About MR, obviously not. Little bit of negotiations are always there and prices are always hiked up from their real costs. I generally follow price range of smooci if I am booking an escort, which I like more than going out on hunt, because I always stay in 4-5 star hotels only and some lodge for hourly basis is not my style. So if MR girls quotes more, I just move to next if they don't budge.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2927270]TF always works, especially if you are in Pattaya. Infact all girls I took till now from TF were less than 25 age. Mostly 20-22's.

About MR, obviously not. Little bit of negotiations are always there and prices are always hiked up from their real costs. I generally follow price range of smooci if I am booking an escort, which I like more than going out on hunt, because I always stay in 4-5 star hotels only and some lodge for hourly basis is not my style. So if MR girls quotes more, I just move to next if they don't budge.[/QUOTE]Understood. Will try TF next time.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2927268]Probably the big generational gap is the factor. I am practically not even 30, and girls which you so much enjoy from Thermae are completely mechanical for my taste. You'd be very surprised what GFE is nowdays for us younger generations. Although I am sure you have taken probably tons of girls, I have relatively smaller base of 10-12 girls from 2 visits, and I based my opinion from that.

Anyways like you said.

Your dick, your money, your choice.

I can only speak for myself, for me extra 500-1 k baht with GFE is much better than mechanical culture.

Although I agree with Fiwfans, I only pointed in terms of money value. I had a bad exp there too when I tried, twice, so it was just an exploration scene and probably no-repeat for future.[/QUOTE]Dude if they are too mechanical that's your fault. I don't know what you kids today consider GFE but when I was 30,40 years ago, I had more than one real girlfriend without handing cash over and thus got plenty of GFE, whatever that is or was. Hell I even got married a few times.

As to "GFE" at Thermae, I can only say that as to me, if I want them to piss, wallow, pee and fart while screaming I love you, they do it. Hell l get GFE at Nana.

[QUOTE=JasonLf;2927218]
First night was after a nap, shit, shower, and shave. Stayed at the Bangkok Marriott Hotel Sukhumvit. Very pleasant and visitor friendly, excellent breakfast.
[/QUOTE]I stayed in that Hotel for a week the last time I was there, on the apartment side, it has full kitchen etc. The reason I choose to stay over there in Soi 57 vs around Soi 11 was the Octave rooftop bar. I had heard the bar is filled with freelancers. But in my experience, all nights I went up there, including weekend nights, I did not find any; all girls there were with someone already. It was a good try-out for me but next time I am going to stick with the Hotels around Soi 11.

Where do the deaf girls hang out?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2897093]The girls inThermae talk about me so I always have to be on my best behavior as I have a reputation to uphold. On the other hand, because they talk about me and I always uphold my reputation, I get the pic of the litter there so to speak. I guess 30 years of attendance in the same brothel counts for something. Just as an aside, the boss told me that they're going on 27 years in this location.

On Sunday night, the stroll was 99% ladyboys. Most of the genetic girls I see on the stroll we're missing. Rainbow five or four, the one not in the corner, was dead. The lineup at billboard was weak. There was some hotties at bunnies on the main floor but my usual Mama son wasn't there so I passed. I did not stroll soy Nana. I did notice there is still a paucity of deaf girls.

For you true pervs out there there's a midget ladyboy with the deaf girls. I apologize to the admin in advance for even mentioning that, but it is way too unique to not be commented upon. Although I've had a midget or two in Bangkok, I would of course draw the at that point although some of you won't.

The Nepalese dude on the corner of soy Arab was packing some fabulous buds coated in crushed diamonds. Quite potent, and he'll negotiate. Don't even think about buying it from a store, the stand in MBK Center was selling the same product for it 3,000 Baht a gram. Yeah, right, head down to Soi Arab.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Joseph88;2927489]Where do the deaf girls hang out?[/QUOTE]Deaf girls hang in front of the Nana Hotel Park.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2926907]I suggest a different imperfect solution to jet lag. I try to schedule short layover flights that arrive BKK in the afternoon and then I use the following routine: check in hotel, get laid, eat dinner, go to bed between about 7-10 PM, and sleep as long as possible. That usually gets me well rested and up in time for the hotel breakfast. Jetlag is about 80% resolved only 20 hours after arrival and is 95% resolved about 44 hours after arrival.[/QUOTE]Interesting strategy from Mr. Trader. Food for thought.

Here's what works for me when I cross a dozen time zones. My philosophy is to make the trip as quickly and comfortably as possible, and to arrive at BKK around sunrise. Toward that end, I book trips leaving in the evening with just a single stopover of less than five hours. I've connected in Tokyo, Frankfurt, Istanbul and Doha. Flying Turkish Airlines from the east coast of the United States and connecting in IST results in two flights that are roughly equal in length, and that airport is pretty nice. I've reached the stage in life where I fly business class. Preferably using points / miles. But even if I have to pay out of pocket it's worth it to me to have a comfortable seat on the plane and a luxury lounge during the layover.

I don't drink alcohol when I'm flying. Plenty of time for that when I reach Thailand. I eat modestly. I won't claim to sleep well, but I get a few winks here and there. Arriving around sunrise gives me a second wind. I feel sharp getting out of the airport and into my car. Usually I head straight to Pattaya, arriving mid-morning. Plenty of time to check in, buy supplies and have a eat a light lunch before fatigue overtakes me and I take a nap. I set the alarm for a few minutes after sunset, and I resist the temptation to party all night. After a few drinks and some what not, I'm usually ready for bed in the wee hours.

I know I'll bolt awake near dawn, but that's OK. I force myself to get outside in the sunshine and walk to breakfast. For the next couple of days I'll still need that afternoon nap, and I'll still wake up earlier than I'd like. But by the third day I'm usually adjusted.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2926805]All of the previous reports tend to show how YMMV the whole scene is. For example, I would never waste my time on an Escort or Fiw Fans or TF simply because I want to pick out what I am spending my money on in the flesh. I don't do massage parlours as I prefer my girls a bit more untouched. I don't do Soi Cowboy, too many tourists and too much drama.

I get all I need out of Thermae and Nana. At prices cheaper than that referenced here, but that's the beauty of being an old timer.[/QUOTE]Funny how we old timers are all different. I'm exactly the opposite, only utilizing fiwfans and oilies. Haven't pulled from GoGos or Thermae in well over a decade. About once a year when a friend is in town and wants to hit a Go-Go I'll accompany him, but I'm quickly reminded why I don't go. Thermae was my number one hunting ground up till about 2007 or so. Can't even begin to count the number of gals I pulled from there. It was also the hangout of a lot of dudes who had been in Bangkok since the '80's and a whole lot of the Southeast Asian writers would hang out there, so there was always great conversation to be had. Was a fun party every night. But now when I go in, just kind of depresses me.

Oilies and Fiw allow me to go and get the job done anytime in the afternoon or early evening as well. I don't think any of my friends here, who are also long term residents ever pull from Go-Go's or Tmae. In the evenings will usually get together for a decent dinner and then hit a nice craft beer or wine bar. Hanging out with friends has and always will be one of the great things about living in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2927708]Flying Turkish Airlines from the east coast of the United States and connecting in IST results in two flights that are roughly equal in length, and that airport is pretty nice. I've reached the stage in life where I fly business class. Preferably using points / miles. But even if I have to pay out of pocket it's worth it to me to have a comfortable seat on the plane and a luxury lounge during the layover.
[/QUOTE]I've read many online posts that disrespect Turkish Airlines. But, their business class is often much cheaper than the competition so I tried them and they are now my go-to airline. The problem I have is that their in-flight food is so outstanding that it is difficult to not overeat. Then, you get to the IST business lounge where they have an insane number of good food options.

I have been on the ground for over 10 days now and I have been to many of the gogos and beer bars and all three red light districts: Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, and Patpong. Here is what I have noticed about the gogos to have success. You can't just walk into a gogo and point to a hot girl on stage and expect all out GFE and an amazing night. Its not quite that easy. I have had better success when its a little later in the evening, as time winds down the girls will be more willing to go. Also, here is my best tip, get the girls who come up to you. They are the ones who obviously need your business and want to make the money. I am no longer going to even call a girl over. I am just hitting 3-4 gogos after 10 pm And waiting for one that I think is cute to give me a look and then come over to me. Once they sit down, if they start putting your hands all their tits and ass, then you know its on like Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Quest. Sadly, I may think 3 k Baht and 1 k Baht bar fine is now the standard. Some girls I have quoted me 5 k and I always decline and they drop to 3 k. Patpong has given me the lowest success rate. Soi Cowboy has been fun, but lacks the number of gogos of Nana. Nana is fucking wild and that whole street is a shit show. I saw some older tall ripped up Indian dude in tank top last night pulling girls. He straight up looked like Dhalism from Street Fighter LOL. The street even smells like a fucking cross between a chinese massage parlor, a chinese food restaurant and a sewer. If you look around the beer bars of Nana, there are actually some decent girls mixed in and they super fun to have a drink with. Only problem in the beer bar is all the waitresses will ask you for a drink. Just decline and they will smile and walk away.

I may be wrong on this statement, but I think some bars want to focus on Asian men. Try to find out which bars these are, and if you aren't Asian, then avoid them. Like I said, if a cute girl grabs your arm and pulls you into the gogo and sits with you, then that's the gogo and girl for you. I really like the music of Angel witch in Nana, but girls not that hot when I was there. Also the bar on first floor in Nana to the left as soon as you walk in has been good. Hope this helps some of you guys.

For anyone who has a drinking problem. Don't come to Thailand LOL. I have never drank this much in my life and its really starting to show LOL. Besides the girls, massages, bars, gym, and pool, what do you guys do to pass the time? I am really trying to not drink for a few days to focus on my health a little bit.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2927740]I've read many online posts that disrespect Turkish Airlines. But, their business class is often much cheaper than the competition so I tried them and they are now my go-to airline. The problem I have is that their in-flight food is so outstanding that it is difficult to not overeat. Then, you get to the IST business lounge where they have an insane number of good food options.[/QUOTE]The biggest problem with TK is that the majority of their long haul aircraft (B777 & A330) heave either 2-2-2 or even 2-3-2 seat layouts in J. Not my idea of a premium product.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2927740]I've read many online posts that disrespect Turkish Airlines. But, their business class is often much cheaper than the competition so I tried them and they are now my go-to airline. The problem I have is that their in-flight food is so outstanding that it is difficult to not overeat. Then, you get to the IST business lounge where they have an insane number of good food options.[/QUOTE]TK Business Class catering is really good, some of the best I have had, but their seats and LOPA on the 777 on the IST-BKK route is terrible and more Premium Economy than Business Class. The price reflects that.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2927766] Besides the girls, massages, bars, gym, and pool, what do you guys do to pass the time? I am really trying to not drink for a few days to focus on my health a little bit.[/QUOTE]Oh I don't know there is anything else to do after you have emptied your balls. Thailand doesn't have scenic sights or ancient temples or Big Buddhas or techno shopping mails or canals and boats or anything like that, right?

[QUOTE=SonicBam;2927823]TK Business Class catering is really good, some of the best I have had, but their seats and LOPA on the 777 on the IST-BKK route is terrible and more Premium Economy than Business Class. The price reflects that.[/QUOTE]With TK sometimes the final mile to the runway is not included in the flight.

[QUOTE=SonicBam;2927823]TK Business Class catering is really good, some of the best I have had, but their seats and LOPA on the 777 on the IST-BKK route is terrible and more Premium Economy than Business Class. The price reflects that.[/QUOTE]I'd agree Turkish airlines are (probably surprisingly) good and a solid provider and tend to be the cheapest option. I think however the seat issue with the 777 isn't exclusive to them, it's more an issue with the aircraft itself. Having flown a couple of times business class with Emirates for example, the 1st leg on a 777 and the 2nd leg on a A380, there simply is no comparison (except for the price! With the A380 experience being far superior and more enjoyable.

Those coming from Europe, I wouldn't knock the one long leg approach, there are direct flights for example from London and Heathrow to BKK on Thai Royal airways, it's 12-13 hours but I found if you are the type that can sleep a bit on planes, it's not bad at all, the planes might be a bit tired but the staff are A1 class. They tend to get you into BKK early morning (into the quiet terminal which is a breeze to get through) , so if you can arrange an early hotel check in, you could be tucked up in bed for a few hours nap and then still get up for a late breakfast or brunch by noon.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2927862]Oh I don't know there is anything else to do after you have emptied your balls. Thailand doesn't have scenic sights or ancient temples or Big Buddhas or techno shopping mails or canals and boats or anything like that, right?[/QUOTE]No offense mate, but those things would bore me to death. Much rather gym tan and pool. I was thinking of renting a bike and driving to Chang Mai or Phuket, or perhaps joining a muay tai or boxing gym. Anyone have any experience with any of them?

I had to get a taxi home from immigration after getting my visa-free extension for another 30 days. Couldn't get a cab so I gambled on a motorcycle taxi driven by a 60 year old thai. I am probably pushing over 240 lbs these days LOL so I was bit skeptical this little Thai guy was going to be able to weave us through traffic properly for the 45 minute ride home. This motherfucker this handled his shit like a pro and got me back to my hotel in one piece. For anyone wanting a cheap ride and is comfortable on the back of a bike, these guys know their shit. Anyway, I am big into bikes back home and it got me itching of doing a trip over here. Anyone have any experience with that?

Any good boxing gyms to recommend in Bangkok or Pattaya. I have been hitting the heavy bag at the gym I have been using and I got a dirty look from an older thai woman for making too much noise as its a normal gym and not a specific boxing gym.

ALWAYS make sure the girl hasn't eaten spicy food before giving you a BBBJ!!

Trust me on this one.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2927268]Probably the big generational gap is the factor. I am practically not even 30, and girls which you so much enjoy from Thermae are completely mechanical for my taste. You'd be very surprised what GFE is nowdays for us younger generations. Although I am sure you have taken probably tons of girls, I have relatively smaller base of 10-12 girls from 2 visits, and I based my opinion from that.

Anyways like you said.

Your dick, your money, your choice.

I can only speak for myself, for me extra 500-1 k baht with GFE is much better than mechanical culture.

Although I agree with Fiwfans, I only pointed in terms of money value. I had a bad exp there too when I tried, twice, so it was just an exploration scene and probably no-repeat for future.[/QUOTE]At Thermae, I think the service and attention from the girls depends on who you are.

I'm in a similar age bracket, in good shape, and have several "freebies" (I use the term freebies loosely, as you pay one way or another).

My experience at Thermae. Fun to drop in from time to time (was there last night for a beer), but I never attract much attention from the girls there. The one girl I took from there was very mechanically nd wanted to rush it.

However, from my experience, the Asians and older farangs attract the most attention there, and do quite well (similar experience on Soi 4).

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2927766]Sadly, I may think 3 k Baht and 1 k Baht bar fine is now the standard. Some girls I have quoted me 5 k and I always decline and they drop to 3 k.[/QUOTE]You're spot on. That was my experience at the go-go's and Nana in March exactly.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2927766] The street even smells like a fucking cross between a chinese massage parlor, a chinese food restaurant and a sewer.[/QUOTE]So accurate! LOL.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2927268]Probably the big generational gap is the factor. I am practically not even 30,
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[QUOTE=Detwing1;2928015]At Thermae, I think the service and attention from the girls depends on who you are.

I'm in a similar age bracket, in good shape, and have several "freebies" (I use the term freebies loosely, as you pay one way or another).

...[/QUOTE]Gents, you are both young. As an older gent, I am curious why you've entered the P4 P world. Are you tired of dating back home? Enjoy being single? If you both are young, good looking and possess game, why not pull civies? Many young Thai civies like white guys with blue eyes.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2928015] older farangs attract the most attention there, and do quite well (similar experience on Soi 4).[/QUOTE]Is that because they are easier to please / more greatful / less demanding / more generous, or do Thai girls just have a grandad fixation?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2928064]Is that because they are easier to please / more greatful / less demanding / more generous, or do Thai girls just have a grandad fixation?[/QUOTE]Could be a combination, along with the fact that they probably see them as more stable in life.

One of my friends over here, who is in his 70's and old enough to be my dad, pulls more pussy than I do.

If I live to be that age and am able to pull the amount of pussy he does, I'll be a happy man.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2928015]At Thermae, I think the service and attention from the girls depends on who you are.
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my experience, the Asians and older farangs attract the most attention there, and do quite well (similar experience on Soi 4).[/QUOTE]From what I have seen and experienced, NE Asians are the main focus for the majority of attractive, young, Thermae FL's. I am a farang on the wrong side of 60. Whenever I stop by Thermae it is the older girls that act interested and hit on me. Most of the young pretty ones tend to ignore me like I am not even there, so I usually only hang out for a few minutes, walk around the island bar a few times to check out who is there, and then I continue on my way onward and upward.

Thermae is a very strange place. IMHO. I almost never pull from there even though I know a couple of friendly, former Go Go girls that work there now. My main problem with Thermae is I don't like the vibe. By comparison, there is a boate in Sao Paulo called Casarao that blows Thermae out of the water having more than a hundred girls on site per night, all of whom want to fuck your brains out. Casarao kind of reminds me of the original Thermae which used to a great place to recreate back in the day.

So I got off the taxi as I was fed up with the traffic Jam as soon it approached the main road from the flyover, not sure how to explain, was walking back to my Hotel at Sukhumvit in the afternoon when it started to drizzle. So I just looked into a side street there seem to be some bar.

Some ladies outside approached me with the menu and she looked good, and it was raining and I was tired, so I said fine and went in. She asked to pay 300 at the Bar went up.

And then I realized that she was a lady boi. I was like fuck. I asked she was a lady boi and she avoided the question and asked what I want.

I don't know what came over me as I was a bit curious but I didn't want to fuck her so I said ok sucking.

Negotiated and she agreed since she knew I was caught off guard.

And I did opted for covered CBJ and man, wtf I didn't even feel the rubber. She was soo good and I actually came in a CBJ. First time in my life hahaha.

Now I am confused LOL.

I don't know what happened LOL. I even player with her silicon boobs. I was scared so I didn't let her remove panties LOL.

Any straight guy fucked a lady boy didn't feel any different than with a woman.

Fuck. I said it. But I admit it was one the better BJs of my life.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2928085]From what I have seen and experienced, NE Asians are the main focus for the majority of attractive, young, Thermae FL's. I am a farang on the wrong side of 60. Whenever I stop by Thermae it is the older girls that act interested and hit on me. Most of the young pretty ones tend to ignore me like I am not even there, so I usually only hang out for a few minutes, walk around the island bar a few times to check out who is there, and then I continue on my way onward and upward.

Thermae is a very strange place. IMHO. I almost never pull from there even though I know a couple of friendly, former Go Go girls that work there now. My main problem with Thermae is I don't like the vibe. By comparison, there is a boate in Sao Paulo called Casarao that blows Thermae out of the water having more than a hundred girls on site per night, all of whom want to fuck your brains out. Casarao kind of reminds me of the original Thermae which used to a great place to recreate back in the day.[/QUOTE]Thermae is my main source of young hardbodies. I'm 70.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2928034]Gents, you are both young. As an older gent, I am curious why you've entered the P4 P world. Are you tired of dating back home? Enjoy being single? If you both are young, good looking and possess game, why not pull civies? Many young Thai civies like white guys with blue eyes.[/QUOTE]Excluding the BJ bars, almost all of my pulls here are civies. A lot of Tinder hookups, etc, etc.

Something about the BJ bars that draw me in once in a while.

However, I do like to drop into Thermae once in a while just to see the show, with no intention of taking a girl.

Regarding dating in the USA, I don't live there anymore, and definitely have no interest in dating anyone there.

1 night in Bangkok. What should I do? Thermae again to see the same girls I saw 3 weeks ago or hit Nana Plaza where I haven't been for an eternity. Being a Pattaya gogo bar guy I made sure I was at Nana by 8 pm. Walking Street is already rocking at 8 pm but I guess Nana works on Jamaica time because even after the 8 pm bell sounds the clubs don't get going until at least 8:30 pm.

1. Rainbow 4. My go to Nana Plaza gogo bar. 130 non alcoholic drink. Tbh pretty disappointing likely cause I just spent weeks in Walking Street gogo bars. Japanese guy beside me called a girl off stage. Positive was the girl came right off stage unlike Pattaya. Negative is she gulped down her drink within a song then asked for another drink. When he said no she went right back up on stage. Maybe 2 girls lady drink worthy but after seeing the guy beside me get no action or time for his 240+ baht I figured I'd come back for them after if I didn't see anyone else at the other bars.

2. Rainbow 5. Dead.

3. Rainbow 3. Dead.

4. Billboard. Anyone who knows my posts knows I'm not a fan of this place. Since guys on here say it's a top gogo bar in Bangkok I figured I'd give it a shot. 150 non alcoholic drink. Still more Asians (more Chinese than Japanese though) than Farang. First group. Hey maybe it's not so bad any more. Some younger girls but most still late 20's. 2 in carousel group that in a pinch I'd buy lady drinks for. One approach me after she got off stage so I guess she saw me staring at her. I said no but she still sat down beside me. I kept thinking this place isn't too bad. Then it all went to hell. The reason why I despise this place so much. The next carousel group came on. It was full of girls too old, too bulky, etc. Maybe 1 girl was under 40 but she was the biggest girl there. Some Billboard fan will call me out on this but imo there were 2 who looked manly, 33 and 43. I think these are the same 2 girls who have been there for years.

I was going to leave but stuck it out thinking there may be a 3rd group but there wasn't. But before I could check bin and leave I feel a model grabbing my hand and dragging me over to the tub area. She grabbed my drink and bill with her other hand. Clearly this girl knew me and she did look familiar but I couldn't really pin point where I knew her from. So as I sat in pervert's row at the hot tub It hit me this was a girl I took from Thermae in 2015! Now with big bolt ONS but she still looked pretty good and at least under 30. I spent the next 90 nminutes or so goofing around with her. She only ordered 1 drink in that time as I told her I'd tip her rather than buy her drinks. Really fun time with someone I knew and got along with 9 years ago. Tipped her 1000 baht and left. I think she was surprised I didn't barfine her.

Apologies for not hitting Twister and other popular Nana bars but as usual "go with the flow" in Thailand and you will have fun. Don't get caught up planning on this and that. Never works out how it's planned.

I may be a bit miffed at Thermae these days with the new pricing but I'll still take it as an option over BKK gogo bars. The girls are MUCH younger and overall prettier at Thermae. I will revisit my newly found old friend at Rainbow next trip though.

Hello all you Thai experts!

I see a lot of videos with soapy massage services and beautiful girls inside. But since I hate massage, and since these ladies have no problem being nude and in contact with a man anyways, if I ask the girl to have just sex with me, normal sex, and skip all this nude massage nonsense, and pay her something more, would I have a change or not? What do you think?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2928230]1 night in Bangkok. What should I do? Thermae again to see the same girls I saw 3 weeks ago or hit Nana Plaza where I haven't been for an eternity. Being a Pattaya gogo bar guy I made sure I was at Nana by 8 pm. Walking Street is already rocking at 8 pm but I guess Nana works on Jamaica time because even after the 8 pm bell sounds the clubs don't get going until at least 8:30 pm.

1. Rainbow 4. My go to Nana Plaza gogo bar. 130 non alcoholic drink. Tbh pretty disappointing likely cause I just spent weeks in Walking Street gogo bars. Japanese guy beside me called a girl off stage. Positive was the girl came right off stage unlike Pattaya. Negative is she gulped down her drink within a song then asked for another drink. When he said no she went right back up on stage. Maybe 2 girls lady drink worthy but after seeing the guy beside me get no action or time for his 240+ baht I figured I'd come back for them after if I didn't see anyone else at the other bars.

2. Rainbow 5. Dead.

3. Rainbow 3. Dead.

4. Billboard. Anyone who knows my posts knows I'm not a fan of this place. Since guys on here say it's a top gogo bar in Bangkok I figured I'd give it a shot. 150 non alcoholic drink. Still more Asians (more Chinese than Japanese though) than Farang. First group. Hey maybe it's not so bad any more. Some younger girls but most still late 20's. 2 in carousel group that in a pinch I'd buy lady drinks for. One approach me after she got off stage so I guess she saw me staring at her. I said no but she still sat down beside me. I kept thinking this place isn't too bad. Then it all went to hell. The reason why I despise this place so much. The next carousel group came on. It was full of girls too old, too bulky, etc. Maybe 1 girl was under 40 but she was the biggest girl there. Some Billboard fan will call me out on this but imo there were 2 who looked manly, 33 and 43. I think these are the same 2 girls who have been there for years.

I was going to leave but stuck it out thinking there may be a 3rd group but there wasn't. But before I could check bin and leave I feel a model grabbing my hand and dragging me over to the tub area. She grabbed my drink and bill with her other hand. Clearly this girl knew me and she did look familiar but I couldn't really pin point where I knew her from. So as I sat in pervert's row at the hot tub It hit me this was a girl I took from Thermae in 2015! Now with big bolt ONS but she still looked pretty good and at least under 30. I spent the next 90 nminutes or so goofing around with her. She only ordered 1 drink in that time as I told her I'd tip her rather than buy her drinks. Really fun time with someone I knew and got along with 9 years ago. Tipped her 1000 baht and left. I think she was surprised I didn't barfine her.

Apologies for not hitting Twister and other popular Nana bars but as usual "go with the flow" in Thailand and you will have fun. Don't get caught up planning on this and that. Never works out how it's planned.

I may be a bit miffed at Thermae these days with the new pricing but I'll still take it as an option over BKK gogo bars. The girls are MUCH younger and overall prettier at Thermae. I will revisit my newly found old friend at Rainbow next trip though.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 5 has Fallen and can't get up.

What is the Problem. Nasty MamaSan?

Is on the Verge of being a 3rd tier agogo.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2928230]
I may be a bit miffed at Thermae these days with the new pricing but I'll still take it as an option over BKK gogo bars. The girls are MUCH younger and overall prettier at Thermae. I will revisit my newly found old friend at Rainbow next trip though.[/QUOTE]New pricing? Since when. I was there in June and still same same for me.

I even got an "up to you" from a youngster.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2928286]Rainbow 5 has Fallen and can't get up.

What is the Problem. Nasty MamaSan?

Is on the Verge of being a 3rd tier agogo.[/QUOTE]Which one is 5? Which is the first one you come to after the escalator? There is a girl there that gives the best BJ I have ever had.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2928107]So I got off the taxi as I was fed up with the traffic Jam as soon it approached the main road from the flyover, not sure how to explain, was walking back to my Hotel at Sukhumvit in the afternoon when it started to drizzle. So I just looked into a side street there seem to be some bar.

Some ladies outside approached me with the menu and she looked good, and it was raining and I was tired, so I said fine and went in. She asked to pay 300 at the Bar went up.

And then I realized that she was a lady boi. I was like fuck. I asked she was a lady boi and she avoided the question and asked what I want.

I don't know what came over me as I was a bit curious but I didn't want to fuck her so I said ok sucking.

Negotiated and she agreed since she knew I was caught off guard.

And I did opted for covered CBJ and man, wtf I didn't even feel the rubber. She was soo good and I actually came in a CBJ. First time in my life hahaha.

Now I am confused LOL.

I don't know what happened LOL. I even player with her silicon boobs. I was scared so I didn't let her remove panties LOL.

Any straight guy fucked a lady boy didn't feel any different than with a woman.

Fuck. I said it. But I admit it was one the better BJs of my life.[/QUOTE]How much did the LB charge you for the BJ?

Is this the soi that has Wood Bar? When you turn on to that soi, the initial bars all have LBs that approach you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2928230]1 night in Bangkok. What should I do? Thermae again to see the same girls I saw 3 weeks ago or hit Nana Plaza where I haven't been for an eternity. Being a Pattaya gogo bar guy I made sure I was at Nana by 8 pm. Walking Street is already rocking at 8 pm but I guess Nana works on Jamaica time because even after the 8 pm bell sounds the clubs don't get going until at least 8:30 pm.

1. Rainbow 4. My go to Nana Plaza gogo bar. 130 non alcoholic drink. Tbh pretty disappointing likely cause I just spent weeks in Walking Street gogo bars. Japanese guy beside me called a girl off stage. Positive was the girl came right off stage unlike Pattaya. Negative is she gulped down her drink within a song then asked for another drink. When he said no she went right back up on stage. Maybe 2 girls lady drink worthy but after seeing the guy beside me get no action or time for his 240+ baht I figured I'd come back for them after if I didn't see anyone else at the other bars.

2. Rainbow 5. Dead.

3. Rainbow 3. Dead.

4. Billboard. Anyone who knows my posts knows I'm not a fan of this place. Since guys on here say it's a top gogo bar in Bangkok I figured I'd give it a shot. 150 non alcoholic drink. Still more Asians (more Chinese than Japanese though) than Farang. First group. Hey maybe it's not so bad any more. Some younger girls but most still late 20's. 2 in carousel group that in a pinch I'd buy lady drinks for. One approach me after she got off stage so I guess she saw me staring at her. I said no but she still sat down beside me. I kept thinking this place isn't too bad. Then it all went to hell. The reason why I despise this place so much. The next carousel group came on. It was full of girls too old, too bulky, etc. Maybe 1 girl was under 40 but she was the biggest girl there. Some Billboard fan will call me out on this but imo there were 2 who looked manly, 33 and 43. I think these are the same 2 girls who have been there for years.

I was going to leave but stuck it out thinking there may be a 3rd group but there wasn't. But before I could check bin and leave I feel a model grabbing my hand and dragging me over to the tub area. She grabbed my drink and bill with her other hand. Clearly this girl knew me and she did look familiar but I couldn't really pin point where I knew her from. So as I sat in pervert's row at the hot tub It hit me this was a girl I took from Thermae in 2015! Now with big bolt ONS but she still looked pretty good and at least under 30. I spent the next 90 nminutes or so goofing around with her. She only ordered 1 drink in that time as I told her I'd tip her rather than buy her drinks. Really fun time with someone I knew and got along with 9 years ago. Tipped her 1000 baht and left. I think she was surprised I didn't barfine her.

Apologies for not hitting Twister and other popular Nana bars but as usual "go with the flow" in Thailand and you will have fun. Don't get caught up planning on this and that. Never works out how it's planned.

I may be a bit miffed at Thermae these days with the new pricing but I'll still take it as an option over BKK gogo bars. The girls are MUCH younger and overall prettier at Thermae. I will revisit my newly found old friend at Rainbow next trip though.[/QUOTE]I was in Nana after a long hiatus this review is quite accurate.

I also ended up in Billboard. They ladies looked masculine for the most part. But a few decent younger looking ladies. Perhaps 3 of them. I was disappointed so I left without bar fining or drinking with any of them. But it is a fun atmosphere.

[QUOTE=Savsiem;2928253]Hello all you Thai experts!

I see a lot of videos with soapy massage services and beautiful girls inside. But since I hate massage, and since these ladies have no problem being nude and in contact with a man anyways, if I ask the girl to have just sex with me, normal sex, and skip all this nude massage nonsense, and pay her something more, would I have a change or not? What do you think?[/QUOTE]Just say no like massage. They will be estatic. No need to pay more.

Less time with Sexpest is a Plus for them.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2928145]Excluding the BJ bars, almost all of my pulls here are civies. A lot of Tinder hookups, etc, etc.

Something about the BJ bars that draw me in once in a while.

However, I do like to drop into Thermae once in a while just to see the show, with no intention of taking a girl.

Regarding dating in the USA, I don't live there anymore, and definitely have no interest in dating anyone there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply.

Agree with not interested in dating American women.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2928419]Just say no like massage. They will be estatic. No need to pay more.

Less time with Sexpest is a Plus for them.[/QUOTE]I agree but it depends on the venue. It is still Thailand and going with the flow is somehow important. As long as you do it in a nice respectful way you should have no problem. In a semi-legit MP I would not just drop my clothes and express loudly to skip the crap massage and just have sex. In the soapies, oiilies and so on of course no problem. Just saying, no offence intended.

FA.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2928145]Excluding the BJ bars, almost all of my pulls here are civies. A lot of Tinder hookups, etc, etc.

Something about the BJ bars that draw me in once in a while.

However, I do like to drop into Thermae once in a while just to see the show, with no intention of taking a girl.

Regarding dating in the USA, I don't live there anymore, and definitely have no interest in dating anyone there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply.

Agree with not interested in dating American women.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2928319]New pricing? Since when. I was there in June and still same same for me.[/QUOTE]Yes I read you didn't get the 3500 quotes like I did. Guess they prefer old over my 3 remaining pieces of hair that I style in a groovy 70's combover.

I think next time I go to Thermae I'm going to wear elephant pants so the girls will think I'm a tourist. I want those 5000 quotes!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2928363]Which one is 5? Which is the first one you come to after the escalator? There is a girl there that gives the best BJ I have ever had.[/QUOTE]The one with the big orange sign beside Rainbow 4. Don't hold me on this. I always get the Rainbow numbers mixed up. I just know which bar to go to first ie. follow all the Japanese.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2928286]Rainbow 5 has Fallen and can't get up.

What is the Problem. Nasty MamaSan?[/QUOTE]So, it's not just me, then. She has a really unpleasant aura about her. Even compared to other bars. I guess, mamasans are never particularly savoury characters. To be fair, given a large part of their customers and bosses I guess they have to be of the monitor lizard kind. Anyway. Since I once complained (to be fair. A bit too openly for Thai standards) about having to pay 4 k + 1 k instead of the usual 3 k + 1 k she gives me the side eye every time I enter. Luckily RB5 is in my opinion one of those bars where most of the chicks only look great at first glance and I like Nana plaza specifically because I can take even a fifth glance before barfining if I feel like it. Hence I never really felt too bad about my situation there. But she has something about her that makes staying there rather unappealing. Even before "the incident".

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2928011]ALWAYS make sure the girl hasn't eaten spicy food before giving you a BBBJ!!

Trust me on this one.[/QUOTE]Applies to BB Anal as well.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2927766]I have been on the ground for over 10 days now and I have been to many of the gogos and beer bars and all three red light districts: Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, and Patpong. Here is what I have noticed about the gogos to have success. You can't just walk into a gogo and point to a hot girl on stage and expect all out GFE and an amazing night. Its not quite that easy. I have had better success when its a little later in the evening, as time winds down the girls will be more willing to go. Also, here is my best tip, get the girls who come up to you. They are the ones who obviously need your business and want to make the money. I am no longer going to even call a girl over. I am just hitting 3-4 gogos after 10 pm And waiting for one that I think is cute to give me a look and then come over to me. Once they sit down, if they start putting your hands all their tits and ass, then you know its on like Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Quest. Sadly, I may think 3 k Baht and 1 k Baht bar fine is now the standard. Some girls I have quoted me 5 k and I always decline and they drop to 3 k. Patpong has given me the lowest success rate. Soi Cowboy has been fun, but lacks the number of gogos of Nana. Nana is fucking wild and that whole street is a shit show. I saw some older tall ripped up Indian dude in tank top last night pulling girls. He straight up looked like Dhalism from Street Fighter LOL. The street even smells like a fucking cross between a chinese massage parlor, a chinese food restaurant and a sewer. If you look around the beer bars of Nana, there are actually some decent girls mixed in and they super fun to have a drink with. Only problem in the beer bar is all the waitresses will ask you for a drink. Just decline and they will smile and walk away.

I may be wrong on this statement, but I think some bars want to focus on Asian men. Try to find out which bars these are, and if you aren't Asian, then avoid them. Like I said, if a cute girl grabs your arm and pulls you into the gogo and sits with you, then that's the gogo and girl for you. I really like the music of Angel witch in Nana, but girls not that hot when I was there. Also the bar on first floor in Nana to the left as soon as you walk in has been good. Hope this helps some of you guys.

For anyone who has a drinking problem. Don't come to Thailand LOL. I have never drank this much in my life and its really starting to show LOL. Besides the girls, massages, bars, gym, and pool, what do you guys do to pass the time? I am really trying to not drink for a few days to focus on my health a little bit.[/QUOTE]"Get the girls who come upto you" - you hit the nail on the head there. My best experinces have been with girls who are into me (atleast they pretend to).

Even in Soi6 pattaya if I choose a girl looking at her phone or is disinterested but I choose her because she is hot, 99% of the time she will squeeze the most out of me and will be a starfish upstairs. The best ones are who pull you in and get you a drink, cuddle, wipe your forehead etc.

Obviously you don't want to go with fuglies so in gogos just smile at girls who you like and they will come over and then you can work out how she is. I would rather go with a enthusiastic 6. 5/10 verus a starfish 9/10.

[QUOTE=MomoFarang;2928700]Applies to BB Anal as well.[/QUOTE]Damn bro. Just spoiled my lunch reading that.

[QUOTE=MomoFarang;2928700]Applies to BB Anal as well.[/QUOTE]Just use some vicks vaporub as lube, it has a menthol like cooling effect.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2928603]So, it's not just me, then. She has a really unpleasant aura about her. Even compared to other bars. I guess, mamasans are never particularly savoury characters. To be fair, given a large part of their customers and bosses I guess they have to be of the monitor lizard kind. Anyway. Since I once complained (to be fair. A bit too openly for Thai standards) about having to pay 4 k + 1 k instead of the usual 3 k + 1 k she gives me the side eye every time I enter. Luckily RB5 is in my opinion one of those bars where most of the chicks only look great at first glance and I like Nana plaza specifically because I can take even a fifth glance before barfining if I feel like it. Hence I never really felt too bad about my situation there. But she has something about her that makes staying there rather unappealing. Even before "the incident".[/QUOTE]Which one? OK picture this, you come up the escalator and the first Rainbow is on the right, third door in. I do that one. The Mamasan there is nice, she is just intimidating.

The Rainbow in the corner I never go to. It is all Asian.

I don't like the Mamasans in Geisha. The mamasans in Billboard are nice.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2928419]Just say no like massage. They will be estatic. No need to pay more.

Less time with Sexpest is a Plus for them.[/QUOTE]Thank ypu for the answer sir!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2928820]Which one? OK picture this, you come up the escalator and the first Rainbow is on the right, third door in. I do that one. The Mamasan there is nice, she is just intimidating.[/QUOTE]Last club on the 2nd floor (ground level being 1st floor) on the left side. The place has two platforms (one to the left and one to the right after entering). If I'm not mistaken this place is RB5. I'm actually willing to give her the benefit of a doubt. As being more intimidating than a bad person. After all I don't know her. But she certainly got some weird off putting vibe about her.

Passed by Cowboy last night, just as they were loading some old boy in an ambulance.

Hopefully he's ok, because he didn't look well when I walked by.

If not, I hope he had a smile on his face.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2928930]Passed by Cowboy last night, just as they were loading some old boy in an ambulance.

Hopefully he's ok, because he didn't look well when I walked by.

If not, I hope he had a smile on his face.[/QUOTE]I hadn't been to Bangkok in at least 5 years until my recent visit a few months ago. And the most striking change I noticed was the vast disparity that had grown between NANA and Soi Cowboy. I don't know when it happened but NANA has had a serious makeover sometime in the last 5 years with security check-points at all entrances and exits, and an overall clean feel with outside seating and clean air. On the other hand, Cowboy is now jammed packed with street hustlers selling you fake watches and other junk, rogue canabis stalls and (sorry to say) stinky street food grills every two feet. On my last visit to Cowboy, and without a word of a lie, a guy on a scooter drove screaming down the soi at high speed taking out at least 3-4 people before he went down. Thai police were comically chasing him on foot. I'm sure several people got hurt and witnessing it with all the screaming was certainly sobering. But perhaps what was most disturbing was how after all the commotion, the soi just went back to normal in about 2 minutes. A serious incident had just taken place, and I saw no blue lights or emergency vehicles. No investigation or halting of any businesses. A few people were dragged away and it was like nothing happened. A sense on unease decended on me at that moment. It's like Soi Cowboy has become this unregulated lawless part of town where anything goes. Whereas NANA has gone the other exactly in the other direction with no rifraf even allowed into the square. It's no surprise the better looking women are now to be found in NANA, its simply a cleaner and safer place for them to work. Cowboy is officially a dump.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2928948]I hadn't been to Bangkok in at least 5 years until my recent visit a few months ago. And the most striking change I noticed was the vast disparity that had grown between NANA and Soi Cowboy. I don't know when it happened but NANA has had a serious makeover sometime in the last 5 years with security check-points at all entrances and exits, and an overall clean feel with outside seating and clean air. On the other hand, Cowboy is now jammed packed with street hustlers selling you fake watches and other junk, rogue canabis stalls and (sorry to say) stinky street food grills every two feet. On my last visit to Cowboy, and without a word of a lie, a guy on a scooter drove screaming down the soi at high speed taking out at least 3-4 people before he went down. Thai police were comically chasing him on foot. I'm sure several people got hurt and witnessing it with all the screaming was certainly sobering. But perhaps what was most disturbing was how after all the commotion, the soi just went back to normal in about 2 minutes. A serious incident had just taken place, and I saw no blue lights or emergency vehicles. No investigation or halting of any businesses. A few people were dragged away and it was like nothing happened. A sense on unease decended on me at that moment. It's like Soi Cowboy has become this unregulated lawless part of town where anything goes. Whereas NANA has gone the other exactly in the other direction with no rifraf even allowed into the square. It's no surprise the better looking women are now to be found in NANA, its simply a cleaner and safer place for them to work. Cowboy is officially a dump.[/QUOTE]Yea I liked Nana better too, but to be fair I didn't spend a lot of time at Soi Cowboy. Cowboy seemed pretty safe and cool to me though when I was there. The street hustlers are all over Bangkok and they really aren't that bad. If you have ever been to Cartagena, those mother fuckers straight ruined that whole city for mongers. I ll never return to Cartagena after dealing with those guys.

Also, be careful in Nana, some of the gogos are normal gogos with normal girls, but they have super pushy ladyboy mamasans who will try to sneak a grab at your junk. I didn't make a mental note of the name of the clubs in Nana, but Billboards was packed every time I was there so I hit the smaller empty clubs up and it was like shooting fish in a barrel with a 12 gauge. The girls out number the guys so much and some of these girls really do want to just play with a dick for the night. I would have multiple girls trying to grab at my shit just because I was the only guy in these joints doing it up. You can literally walk into a club of 20 horny young girls and your the only hard dick in the place. You do the math.

Gentleman. Hundreds of years from now when scholars record the history of mongering, the year 2024 will still be part of the "Golden Age" of Thailand. End of Discussion.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2928930]Passed by Cowboy last night, just as they were loading some old boy in an ambulance.
Hopefully he's ok, because he didn't look well when I walked by.
If not, I hope he had a smile on his face.[/QUOTE]Guess how Grand Dad died? LOL.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2928895]Last club on the 2nd floor (ground level being 1st floor) on the left side. The place has two platforms (one to the left and one to the right after entering). If I'm not mistaken this place is RB5. I'm actually willing to give her the benefit of a doubt. As being more intimidating than a bad person. After all I don't know her. But she certainly got some weird off putting vibe about her.[/QUOTE]No you're incorrect. The one on the left side far corner is a Rainbow named bar but it's not 4 or 5. Nyezhov described exactly where Rainbow 5 is located. It's the one he goes to. The one in the far right corner is Rainbow 4. It used to be almost Asian only but not as much anymore. I don't like Rainbow 4 but I have a Falang friend who loves the place.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2929018]No you're incorrect. The one on the left side far corner is a Rainbow named bar but it's not 4 or 5. Nyezhov described exactly where Rainbow 5 is located. It's the one he goes to. The one in the far right corner is Rainbow 4. It used to be almost Asian only but not as much anymore. I don't like Rainbow 4 but I have a Falang friend who loves the place.[/QUOTE]I have no idea why I confused right and left here. Anyway. I meant right side. The hell with those stupid names. The only girl I ever fancied there anywhere goes by the name. Anyway. All mamasans in the other places are looking something between ordinary and dodgy. The lady from the supposed RB5 is the only one that could play a witch in the next Lord of the Rings without needing to switch costume or go to the mask.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2928956]You can literally walk into a club of 20 horny young girls and your the only hard dick in the place.[/QUOTE]I would hope you were the only dick in the place (hard or otherwise).

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2929036]I have no idea why I confused right and left here. Anyway. I meant right side. The hell with those stupid names. The only girl I ever fancied there anywhere goes by the name. Anyway. All mamasans in the other places are looking something between ordinary and dodgy. The lady from the supposed RB5 is the only one that could play a witch in the next Lord of the Rings without needing to switch costume or go to the mask.[/QUOTE]If we are in the same place and talking about the same lady, one of the Mamasans in R5 is very scary looking, but she treats me with exaggerated respect so I don't get to affected by her looks. Sort of like the child of are Lee Ermy and Margaret Hamilton.

I know my contribution sounds really old-fashioned (and I am old, in fact). Have been to BKK several tmes, had young beauties from Thermae or Soapy Salons but, in all honesty, while these are beautiful they are mostly uninteresting in bed. Clearly my best experiences have been with "older", still good-looking ladies such as found in the famous Biergarten close to Sumkhumvit. They were nice, patient, enternaining and most of them still in good shape. As I understand, Biergarten has disappeared, there fore my question: where have these ladies moved? Is there a equivalent place? Or no more at all? I plan to go to BKK in a couple of weeks, would be grateful for infos! Thank you so much.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2929094]If we are in the same place and talking about the same lady, one of the Mamasans in R5 is very scary looking, but she treats me with exaggerated respect so I don't get to affected by her looks. Sort of like the child of are Lee Ermy and Margaret Hamilton.[/QUOTE]I think we established by now that we're talking about the same place. All the mamasans treat you with exaggerated respect if you pay the price and tip a little. Anyway, I remember what it was that got me angry. My go to there (Chompoo) I always barfined for 3 k + 1 k ST. And ST meant 2 hours and as often as I like. (Same conditions that I was used to from my favorite bar there which for some reason is rarely if ever mentioned here despite the consistently fair price and the above average attractive ladies there). That evening I decided to take another girl and not just did they ask for 4 k + 1 k ST. ST would have also meant just andüng nam and andüng chowmong. And the waitress also immediately got feisty upon my dismissal. The the vvitch came and jinxed me. Frankly speaking I'm actually looking forward more to some of the black chicks on the street by now because (a) few of them a easily 8 or 9's. Usually usually just two at a time but I only need one girl for an evening anyway. And. They have reaaaaal tiddies.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2929240]I think we established by now that we're talking about the same place. All the mamasans treat you with exaggerated respect if you pay the price and tip a little. Anyway, I remember what it was that got me angry. My go to there (Chompoo) I always barfined for 3 k + 1 k ST. And ST meant 2 hours and as often as I like. (Same conditions that I was used to from my favorite bar there which for some reason is rarely if ever mentioned here despite the consistently fair price and the above average attractive ladies there). That evening I decided to take another girl and not just did they ask for 4 k + 1 k ST. ST would have also meant just andng nam and andng chowmong. And the waitress also immediately got feisty upon my dismissal. The the vvitch came and jinxed me. Frankly speaking I'm actually looking forward more to some of the black chicks on the street by now because (a) few of them a easily 8 or 9's. Usually usually just two at a time but I only need one girl for an evening anyway. And. They have reaaaaal tiddies.[/QUOTE]Chocolate Girls 8 or 9 on 100 point scale?

To be fair I've been out 43 days. Maybe Africa sent in the Heavy Hitters to man Sukhumvit. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929263]Chocolate Girls 8 or 9 on 100 point scale?

To be fair I've been out 43 days. Maybe Africa sent in the Heavy Hitters to man Sukhumvit. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Been to Thailand many times and never once saw an attractive African streetwalker or on TF for that matter. I wouldn't mind trying one if I found a decent looking one, but most are fat with muffin tops.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2929240]I think we established by now that we're talking about the same place. All the mamasans treat you with exaggerated respect if you pay the price and tip a little. Anyway, I remember what it was that got me angry. My go to there (Chompoo) I always barfined for 3 k + 1 k ST. And ST meant 2 hours and as often as I like. (Same conditions that I was used to from my favorite bar there which for some reason is rarely if ever mentioned here despite the consistently fair price and the above average attractive ladies there). That evening I decided to take another girl and not just did they ask for 4 k + 1 k ST. ST would have also meant just andng nam and andng chowmong. And the waitress also immediately got feisty upon my dismissal. The the vvitch came and jinxed me. Frankly speaking I'm actually looking forward more to some of the black chicks on the street by now because (a) few of them a easily 8 or 9's. Usually usually just two at a time but I only need one girl for an evening anyway. And. They have reaaaaal tiddies.[/QUOTE]I don't tip mamasans. I will always buy a helpful mama or waitress a drink. Treat me like a King and get it back.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929263]Chocolate Girls 8 or 9 on 100 point scale?

To be fair I've been out 43 days. Maybe Africa sent in the Heavy Hitters to man Sukhumvit. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Yeah, me too, the night before I left I saw one in stained pink spandex. But, different strokes.

Visiting Bangkok coming Monday, looking for a three some. Any interested chubby oldie who happens to be polite and respectful please do send me a message.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2929351]Visiting Bangkok coming Monday, looking for a three some. Any interested chubby oldie who happens to be polite and respectful please do send me a message.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Cool Bro.

I'm sure a few here are old and chubby and will get in touch with you.

How much you Pay?

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929263][b]Chocolate Girls 8 or 9 on 100 point scale[/b]?

To be fair I've been out 43 days. Maybe Africa sent in the Heavy Hitters to man Sukhumvit. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2929335]Yeah, me too, the night before I left I saw one in stained pink spandex. But, different strokes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2929316]Been to Thailand many times and never once saw an attractive African streetwalker or on TF for that matter. I wouldn't mind trying one if I found a decent looking one, but most are fat with muffin tops.[/QUOTE]Spent a few nights in Thailand. I have seen many attractive girls from the continent of Africa on [B]Beach Road[/B] and even more beautiful ones on Thai Friendly. The problem for me is that they usually want premium prices. Everyone knows that I don't usually pay those. Although I have seen a few on Thai Friendly that almost made me give up the extra THB.

The entire time I've been in Thailand I have never met a farang from a western nation that I considered intelligent.

[B]How you like me now[/B]?

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2929240]I think we established by now that we're talking about the same place. All the mamasans treat you with exaggerated respect if you pay the price and tip a little. Anyway, I remember what it was that got me angry. My go to there (Chompoo) I always barfined for 3 k + 1 k ST. And ST meant 2 hours and as often as I like. (Same conditions that I was used to from my favorite bar there which for some reason is rarely if ever mentioned here despite the consistently fair price and the above average attractive ladies there). That evening I decided to take another girl and not just did they ask for 4 k + 1 k ST. ST would have also meant just andng nam and andng chowmong. And the waitress also immediately got feisty upon my dismissal. The the vvitch came and jinxed me. Frankly speaking I'm actually looking forward more to some of the black chicks on the street by now because (a) few of them a easily 8 or 9's. Usually usually just two at a time but I only need one girl for an evening anyway. And. They have reaaaaal tiddies.[/QUOTE]Have to agree a little bit on the black ladies that are streetwalkers around at the moment. In both Nana, corner of 4 and 6, and outside Soi Cowboy at the railway exit, amongst the ones I saw it was probably 50% very acceptable looks, tight bodied, small assed, medium tittied chocolate to black honeys. The remaining 50% weren't as cute, or as tight bodied, but the startling point is that I don't recall seeing at the time a single big tittied big assed black mama behemoth type like I normally saw everywhere.

[QUOTE=Allover;2719191]Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Spice Girls are owned by the "Arab". These are located on Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Last time I remembered this, but yesterday I did not. Entered Midnite, and was ripped off. Lesson learned.

Brothers: remember the list above and stay away from the arab bars. It's not even as advanced as a rip-off. They'll simply lie about what what was said / happened and you will be stuck with the bill.

Apart from that, I'd say the only place I saw someone I'd be interested in bar-fining was at Rainbow (I dropped by most bars yesterday). Were making out with two girls there at the same time to test they were ok with each others, and was going for short-time at 2500 each, since they claimed barfine was 1500 (is that true? I don't visit go-go bars often, but last year, at another bar on soi cowboy it was 1000). One girl, the 26 yo insisted on me paying first though, which is never a good idea. I refused, and she refused to go if I paid afterwards. Other girl, the 24 yo was willing to go, but by that time she was so drunk I was concerned she'd just end up puking all over the bed, so I bailed on the whole thing.

Crazy House still dancing nude, and is still the most packed bar.

Boinked a 20 yo fiwfans girl on my lunchbreak for 1400 + an extra 400 for CIM on my lunch break this morning instead.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2929471]Last time I remembered this, but yesterday I did not. Entered Midnite, and was ripped off. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]Can you clarify the information on how you were ripped off in the "Arab" bars? You were charged excessively for your 1 drink? They added drinks to your bill? They overcounted lady drinks? Girl promised you DFK and lap dances before you bought a drink and didn't deliver? Girl said she would go home with you and changed her mind after a few lady drinks? There was a hidden "seat fee" like in HCM?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929409]Spent a few nights in Thailand. I have seen many attractive girls from the continent of Africa on [B]Beach Road[/B] and even more beautiful ones on Thai Friendly. The problem for me is that they usually want premium prices. Everyone knows that I don't usually pay those. Although I have seen a few on Thai Friendly that almost made me give up the extra THB.

The entire time I've been in Thailand I have never met a farang from a western nation that I considered intelligent.

[B]How you like me now[/B]?[/QUOTE]The Chocolate Chip Chicks on Beach Road are Uglier than the ones Prowling Nana.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929409]Spent a few nights in Thailand. I have seen many attractive girls from the continent of Africa on [B]Beach Road[/B] and even more beautiful ones on Thai Friendly. The problem for me is that they usually want premium prices. Everyone knows that I don't usually pay those. Although I have seen a few on Thai Friendly that almost made me give up the extra THB.

The entire time I've been in Thailand I have never met a farang from a western nation that I considered intelligent.

[B]How you like me now[/B]?[/QUOTE]Guess it depends if you like them clean or not. Personally I didn't go to SE Asia for unwashed black girls with fright wigs catering to the lower end crowd.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929409]The entire time I've been in Thailand I have never met a farang from a western nation that I considered intelligent.

[B]How you like me now[/B]?[/QUOTE]I wrote this to make a point. It is a general statement and it is not true. I've met plenty of farangs from western nations that I have considered intelligent. Just not that many. [B]LOL[/B].

Everyone has their biases (at worst) preferences as best. If you like it then I love it. But universal general statements judging the appearance of an individuals sight unseen are going to be wrong 100% of the time.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2929539]Guess it depends if you like them clean or not. Personally I didn't go to SE Asia for unwashed black girls with fright wigs catering to the lower end crowd.[/QUOTE]Fair enough! Thank you for sharing with us your biases and prejudices.

You don't visit to Pattaya or use Thai Friendly so you don't know what the girls look like that I am talking about. Most girls that I have been with have taken a shower before sex. Most of the time we shower together.

[B]Have your experiences been different[/B]?

If you have a bias just be a man and say so. But do not disparage the prostitutes that I choose to hire sight unseen or think you are any better than me because you choose to pay inordinate sums of money to hire prostitutes that look like "tooth brush" models in the commercials on TV.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929526]The Chocolate Chip Chicks on Beach Road are Uglier than the ones Prowling Nana.[/QUOTE]You cannot even get into the country. So, are you speaking from memory? The same thing I said to [B]Nyezhov[/B] applies to you. Except I don't know if you are a farang from a western country.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2929428]Have to agree a little bit on the black ladies that are streetwalkers around at the moment. [b]In both Nana, corner of 4 and 6, and outside Soi Cowboy at the railway exit, amongst the ones I saw it was probably 50% very acceptable looks, tight bodied, small assed, medium tittied chocolate to black honeys[/b]. The remaining 50% weren't as cute, or as tight bodied, but the startling point is that I don't recall seeing at the time a single big tittied big assed black mama behemoth type like I normally saw everywhere.[/QUOTE]Thank you for keeping it 100 [B]ThaiGoodTimes![/B].

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929409]Spent a few nights in Thailand. I have seen many attractive girls from the continent of Africa on [B]Beach Road[/B] and even more beautiful ones on Thai Friendly. The problem for me is that they usually want premium prices. Everyone knows that I don't usually pay those. Although I have seen a few on Thai Friendly that almost made me give up the extra THB.

The entire time I've been in Thailand I have never met a farang from a western nation that I considered intelligent.

[B]How you like me now[/B]?[/QUOTE]Well, of course you didn't. Look where you're spending your time. You'd meet a lot of very bright westerners in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2929539]Guess it depends if you like them clean or not. Personally I didn't go to SE Asia for unwashed black girls with fright wigs catering to the lower end crowd.[/QUOTE]Me too!

Same with Russian girls. Why the hell would I go to Thailand to session with a Russian girl when I can meet many beautiful Thai girls with beautiful skin!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2929487]Can you clarify the information on how you were ripped off in the "Arab" bars? You were charged excessively for your 1 drink? They added drinks to your bill? They overcounted lady drinks? Girl promised you DFK and lap dances before you bought a drink and didn't deliver? Girl said she would go home with you and changed her mind after a few lady drinks? There was a hidden "seat fee" like in HCM?[/QUOTE]Somewhat of an embarrassment to tell, but since it's you.

Girl grabbed me outside trying to drag me in. I wasn't interested and kept walking so she said the magic words: buy me a drink and I will give you a blowjob. I thought that was a decent enough deal, so we went inside, she ordered her drink with that mini-scam where their one drink is actually not actually alcohol and and a mixer in one glass as normal, but two separate glasses, while getting my dick out and putting it in her hand.

Her two friends tried to join too, but I wasn't interested in paying the undoubtedly 2 x 639 baht additional drinks for them also, especially as they were even less attractive, so shushed them away.

Once I signed the chit the BJ-offer was reduced to a HJ-offer, or pay an extra 1000 for the BJ.

I'm not sure if the male manager working there and who insisted there could have been no such offer "as that is illegal in thailand" was Mr. Arab himself? Around 50, dark, did not look Thai, spoke English, Could be Persian, though at first I thought he was just an african-american customer. Appeared on the scene after I didn't want to pay, though in the end I had to.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2929595]Well, of course you didn't. Look where you're spending your time. You'd meet a lot of very bright westerners in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I'll take you word for it. But I understand your bias against [B]Pattaya[/B] so you don't have much street cred with me. I been to Bangkok. I find it to be a land locked, polluted city with no charm and no beach. Not worth my time. No thank you.

But during my next trip to Bangkok let's meet up. I'll buy you a used sense of humor from the market on Soi Buakhao. I'll deliver it to you and buy the first round. [B]The statement that triggered you was written in jest[/B] to illustrate how stupid statements like:

[I]"I have never seen an attractive (insert noun of your choice) here[/I],

[I]all girls of this type are dirty[/I]

[I]Chocolate Chip Chicks are ugly[/I]

Sweeping, generalized statements are always wrong. I understand personal preferences. Some people need to make themselves feel superior because they make different choices than you do. Therefore the make disparaging, ignorant comments trying to make their choices and preferences seem better than your choices and preferences. [B]If you support such statements that is ok[/B]. I don't. I will be the first person to tell you that I do not like a certain type of farang. They are the worst individuals that visit Thailand. But I am not going to say at all of of them are bad. Just most of them. [B]LOL![/B].

[B]what are your thoughts on that?[/B]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2929618]buy me a drink and I will give you a blowjob. I thought that was a decent enough deal, so we went inside, she ordered her drink with that mini-scam where their one drink is actually not actually alcohol and and a mixer in one glass as normal, but two separate glasses, while getting my dick out and putting it in her hand.<snip> 639 baht [/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing.

So 1 drink at an Arab bar was 3 drinks at 213 baht per drink? I guess it could have been worse at least you got a HJ out of it. Better than those Japanese and Koreans who pay 240 for a drink and sit on their hands the entire time while the girl is looking for her next customer who speaks English.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2929618]...Girl grabbed me outside trying to drag me in. I wasn't interested and kept walking so she said the magic words: buy me a drink and I will give you a blowjob. I thought that was a decent enough deal, so we went inside ....[/QUOTE]Sorry this happened to you, but I suspect that many of us were thinking that at one time or another we were scammed in a relatable situation. Decades ago I was in a USA strip bar zone and a man approached me and claimed he had several girls in a hotel room and I could have any one of them for $200. Supposedly my choice: redhead, blonde, brunette, black, Asian. He took me to the lobby of a fancy downtown hotel and then he said I needed to pay the $200 in advance of seeing the girls. I came to my senses just in time to not fall to his scam. That might have been 25 years ago, now I don't believe anybody.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2929595]Well, of course you didn't. Look where you're spending your time. You'd meet a lot of very bright westerners in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Just the fact that they're in Thailand makes them smarter than those of us still stuck back in the states. LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2929640]Thanks for sharing.

So 1 drink at an Arab bar was 3 drinks at 213 baht per drink? I guess it could have been worse at least you got a HJ out of it. Better than those Japanese and Koreans who pay 240 for a drink and sit on their hands the entire time while the girl is looking for her next customer who speaks English.[/QUOTE]LOL. Actually I did not, at least not for long, even though the skank tried to convince me I should be happy enough with a HJ. In honesty, I suppose 639 for a HJ isn't the worst one can get here. I'm not much into that though, and I especially wasn't interested in getting a handjob in the corner of the bar and subsequently messing up my shirt for the rest of the evening.

Once I made my reluctance to pay the bill one of the other managing skanks (a mamasan I guess, though there were at least two) did point at the ceiling above my head more than once and said they had video of me signing my name on the bill as proof. If so they'd have video of that go-go skank doing a poor job at wanking me while her friends try to join too. Might just become my 15 minutes of fame, though I wish it was with a less ugly woman.

Soi Cowboy is rather closer to me, but might venture into nana next time based on some recent reports here.

After a week of work in Pattaya, I am back in the land of the living. I like to use Fiw fans over smooci. I am not sure if you guys know that you can search by location. Just translate the website in your browser and you will see the location search and you can click the area you want. There are a bunch of ladies in hotels near my house and it's just 3-5 km away for most.

This day I was looking for all natural tits and that is just what I found. I spent a good 20 minutes playing and sucking on them. After that, pounding her in doggy and cumming inside her pussy. Damage was 2300 Baht for 90 minutes and 2 shots. I just had one shot so she would oblige my request of BB.

The thing about Fiw Fans is 60% of the time you are dealing with what they call admin and not the lady. Secondly, if you can't speak Thai, it's difficult. My advice for guys who can't speak Thai is to use google translate in line to make your appointment, don't ask for more photos, don't talk too much about requesting special things. If you do this, they won't take you. Go with the flow. Sometimes you might have a bad experience, but so what. It's cheap for Bangkok. One shot with most is 800 Baht -1200 baht. 30 minutes to 1 hour. So, if you get a dud who cares. Further, unless you are a regular with the girl, you will have to pay upfront. That's just the way it is if you want to play in the Thai sideline game. After all, you are in their place so they won't rip you off. However, you might get a bad session sometimes, but who cares. For Bangkok it's a cheap and quick option. Normally Bangkok prices for ladies that work with farangs is double than the ST rates of 1000-1500 Baht in Pattaya. I normally pay a bit more to get what I want, but I always negotiate in the room with the lady and I can speak enough Thai to get what I want.

For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929708]Man you are gullible. You can't get BJs in the bars on Soi Cowboy so easily like that.[/QUOTE]There is at least one bar on Soi Cowboy where you can. I also like to joke around (that night I think I bought 3, possibly four drinks, for the "door girl" at one of the other go-go bars. I wonder if it might have been Baccara, but I can't remember), just cause she was fun to hang around a bit with.

I've never bought more than one drink for anyone I ever barfined on Soi Cowboy, so unless that's what you want to do for some other reason, thanks for the nonsense comments and no thank you, I'll not waste my money on useless drinks that only makes the girls more drunk than I like. In fact, had I not bought that one drink for the younger 24 year old that night, chances are she'd not be too drunk for me to take home.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929719]For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.[/QUOTE]You are young and can therefore deal with a woman for more than a spurt. I have women friends, that's enough, I don't want to spend any more time than necessary on a receptacle, I'm too busy to chat anyone up except to say "how much".

I booked a couple FIWFANS girls with this booker. She worked for a group, TSGLINE or something, communicated in good English via LINE.

Her girls spread out in many areas, Sukhumvit 55, Huay Khwang, East side near airport ect. She was very sweet and looked good in the pic. I even wanted to book her for a session.

One girl went out to dinner with me. She said she had to pay 1,500 Bahts for the room regardless how many guys she booked.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2929614]Me too!

Same with Russian girls. Why the hell would I go to Thailand to session with a Russian girl when I can meet many beautiful Thai girls with beautiful skin![/QUOTE]FKK in Frankfurt every few months takes care of that need. Plus I'll get some backpackers when season starts in Angkor.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929719]For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.[/QUOTE]How old are you?

All the Thai WGs tell me I am handsome but I have a feeling they say it to everyone.

And something weird about a 45 something chatting up with normal girls and I am not interested in 40 years olds.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929719]For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.[/QUOTE]Everyone knows this. But most mongers are in SEA for a limited amount of time and don't want to waste time on dates and maybe getting laid when they can just pay a small amount for it. Time is more valuable than money, especially when it's limited on a trip. I also don't find conversation with women interesting, really they're a bore to be around except for the time you are utilizing their holes.

To each their own.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2929787]There is at least one bar on Soi Cowboy where you can. I also like to joke around (that night I think I bought 3, possibly four drinks, for the "door girl" at one of the other go-go bars. I wonder if it might have been Baccara, but I can't remember), just cause she was fun to hang around a bit with.

I've never bought more than one drink for anyone I ever barfined on Soi Cowboy, so unless that's what you want to do for some other reason, thanks for the nonsense comments and no thank you, I'll not waste my money on useless drinks that only makes the girls more drunk than I like. In fact, had I not bought that one drink for the younger 24 year old that night, chances are she'd not be too drunk for me to take home.[/QUOTE]I doubt Baccarat Hello girls are giving on preMises blowjobs.

Transparency. Haven't been there since 1999. Hahaha.

Zondo41 and Murda are claiming they get Free girls all the time. Kick Streamers.

They seem to be Broke as a SUB.

True story.

Fat outgoing young Streamer Korean boy chatted up a young Thai girl on streets near Huay Kwang.

Chat was impressed as he was engaging quite well.

Till a young Thai boy showed up. Chubby boy look like he just saw a Ghost, turned pale.

Good sense he High Tailed it out of there.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929719]For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.[/QUOTE]With more than 5 million women living in Bangkok, how could anyone think they are all hookers? And why would anyone post the photo of a civilian girl he presumably fucked on a monger site for all to see?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2929906]With more than 5 million women living in Bangkok, how could anyone think they are all hookers? And why would anyone post the photo of a civilian girl he presumably fucked on a monger site for all to see?[/QUOTE]Outstanding point my ISG Brother. Hopefully we can get an answer to your question. I would be interested in hearing what it is.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2929906]With more than 5 million women living in Bangkok, how could anyone think they are all hookers? And why would anyone post the photo of a civilian girl he presumably fucked on a monger site for all to see?[/QUOTE]She has since then turned into a part time freelancer so that's why. I think I corrupted her. LOL.

Also you would be surprised what guys think. For example, if you go on tinder or Thai friendly in Bangkok, you will still have guys sending How much to every girl. How do I know this? Many ladies have told me. So to answer your question, there are still some guys who think that all Thai girls are hookers. Stupid right ? I know.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929719]For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.[/QUOTE]"Freebies", and I use the term loosely are my main game. It's not that big of a secret. I enjoy the hunt and true GF action (although I do like the BJ bars from time to time).

However, in order to have a high success rate, you need to spend a lot of time here (and money).

By BKK monger standards, I'm fairly young, in good shape, and dress well, and do fairly well, but as long as you're spending a lot of time here, I don't think that even matters much. Case in point, a guy I hang out with over here once in a while, who is 70's and old enough to be my dad, also has a full harem of 20 and 30 something hotties.

However, if you're a typical tourist on your annual 2 week holiday, freebies are probably going to be a tough game.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929719]For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.[/QUOTE]Completely Agree. Not just locals though.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2929947]"Freebies", and I use the term loosely are my main game. It's not that big of a secret. I enjoy the hunt and true GF action (although I do like the BJ bars from time to time).

However, in order to have a high success rate, you need to spend a lot of time here (and money).

By BKK monger standards, I'm fairly young, in good shape, and dress well, and do fairly well, but as long as you're spending a lot of time here, I don't think that even matters much. Case in point, a guy I hang out with over here once in a while, who is 70's and old enough to be my dad, also has a full harem of 20 and 30 something hotties.

However, if you're a typical tourist on your annual 2 week holiday, freebies are probably going to be a tough game.[/QUOTE]Right on. If you are not interested in chatting back and forth in a civil manner, arranging to meet at a coffee shop or whatever (though I have met plenty of normal girls who ended up meeting at my place the first time we met without too much chatting, and who I continued to see for a long time), and then just maybe going back to your place, asking everyone "how much?" is a very efficient way of immediately finding out whether the girl wants the same as you without wasting any more of your time. Does not mean you think everyone is hooker. Just means you're a rude ass.

The minus is that it gives the rest of us a bad name and is obviously very rude. On the other hand, there are plenty of online girls who waste our time too by chatting back and forth like normal girls, before in the end admitting they're just a hooker.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929880]I doubt Baccarat Hello girls are giving on preMises blowjobs.

Transparency. Haven't been there since 1999. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Nah, Baccarat (and I'm not sure if it was Baccarat) was just a place where there was a friendly door girl who I bought too many drinks of the goodness of my heart. I actually joked around with her last year also, before barfining one of the go-go dancers at the place. She wanted to exchange line-info at the end for some reason, but nothing seems to come out of that. :

Starting July 15th, when you land in Bkk, you are now getting a 60 day visa stamp, from many many different countries, make sure where ever your from it applies to you! Hope this helps, I'm from USA AND qualify, big help for me because I always go for like 45 days and always have to go get extensions on my usual 30 day stamp, so my trips just got even more stress free! Have fun "! Travel safe! Anyone can chime in and tell us how long this is going to last? I received text from Thai visa center last week!

Has anyone been into Thermae recently? How the talent and are the girls still as picky as they were before?

[QUOTE=RacShack;2930181]Starting July 15th, when you land in Bkk, you are now getting a 60 day visa stamp, from many many different countries, make sure where ever your from it applies to you! Hope this helps, I'm from USA AND qualify, big help for me because I always go for like 45 days and always have to go get extensions on my usual 30 day stamp, so my trips just got even more stress free! Have fun "! Travel safe! Anyone can chime in and tell us how long this is going to last? I received text from Thai visa center last week![/QUOTE]An important question is whether this 60-day visa exemption can be extended another 30 days by going to immigration. Any details available yet?

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;2930275]An important question is whether this 60-day visa exemption can be extended another 30 days by going to immigration. Any details available yet?[/QUOTE]Yes it can.

Hey folks,*.

I am planning my first trip to Bangkok in August and am primarily interested in non-paid dates / encounters with local girls via dating apps like Tinder & Bumble. I am also interested in day / street game*with*local*girls and plan to visit massage places with HJ finish (not FS). *.

With that in mind, can anyone recommend which area I should stay in? Would it be best to stay near the main malls like Siam Paragon, MBK and CentralWorld or is there another area that would be better with plenty of massage places and a higher concentration of local girls to approach? Not on a big budget and was looking to spend around US $50-60 per night max on a hotel.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Doggus;2930372]Hey folks,*.

I am planning my first trip to Bangkok in August and am primarily interested in non-paid dates / encounters with local girls via dating apps like Tinder & Bumble. I am also interested in day / street game*with*local*girls and plan to visit massage places with HJ finish (not FS). *.

With that in mind, can anyone recommend which area I should stay in? Would it be best to stay near the main malls like Siam Paragon, MBK and CentralWorld or is there another area that would be better with plenty of massage places and a higher concentration of local girls to approach? Not on a big budget and was looking to spend around US $50-60 per night max on a hotel.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Have sex with your non paid girls if you short on Money.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2930372]Hey folks,*.

I am planning my first trip to Bangkok in August and am primarily interested in non-paid dates / encounters with local girls via dating apps like Tinder & Bumble. I am also interested in day / street game*with*local*girls and plan to visit massage places with HJ finish (not FS).

With that in mind, can anyone recommend which area I should stay in? Would it be best to stay near the main malls like Siam Paragon, MBK and CentralWorld or is there another area that would be better with plenty of massage places and a higher concentration of local girls to approach? Not on a big budget and was looking to spend around US $50-60 per night max on a hotel.

Thanks![/QUOTE]If you don't know your way around, are on a budget and you probably don't speak Thai your chances of getting some without paying are slim and none.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2930372]Hey folks,*.

I am planning my first trip to Bangkok in August and am primarily interested in non-paid dates / encounters with local girls via dating apps like Tinder & Bumble. I am also interested in day / street game*with*local*girls and plan to visit massage places with HJ finish (not FS). *.

With that in mind, can anyone recommend which area I should stay in? Would it be best to stay near the main malls like Siam Paragon, MBK and CentralWorld or is there another area that would be better with plenty of massage places and a higher concentration of local girls to approach? Not on a big budget and was looking to spend around US $50-60 per night max on a hotel.

Thanks![/QUOTE]In my experience, any massage place that offers a HJ finish is also offering a BJ and / or a FS finish. I am not certain why anyone would choose the HJ, given the options. Of course, there are lots of massage places that have expert masseuses, but these don't offer sexual services of any kind.

I always stay in Sukhumvit (Soi 33) because I can invite no-pros for coffee at the Starbucks (or, as the relationship proceeds, to any of number of the numerous excellent restaurants nearby). But, whenever I feel the need, I can get a release within a few blocks of my hotel almost immediately. This is the perfect situation to chase non-pros who may not want sex on the first date.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2930422]In my experience, any massage place that offers a HJ finish is also offering a BJ and / or a FS finish. I am not certain why anyone would choose the HJ, given the options. Of course, there are lots of massage places that have expert masseuses, but these don't offer sexual services of any kind.

I always stay in Sukhumvit (Soi 33) because I can invite no-pros for coffee at the Starbucks (or, as the relationship proceeds, to any of number of the numerous excellent restaurants nearby). But, whenever I feel the need, I can get a release within a few blocks of my hotel almost immediately. This is the perfect situation to chase non-pros who may not want sex on the first date.[/QUOTE]Major reason why a HJ would be sufficient.

97.87654 %girls in massage parlors are UGLY.

Johnny what's happening did showcase a girl near soi 24 recently. She is kind of Hot. 5 to 6 customers a day means she is Popular.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2930422]In my experience, any massage place that offers a HJ finish is also offering a BJ and / or a FS finish. I am not certain why anyone would choose the HJ, given the options.[/QUOTE][B]Because some girls do not give good head[/B] Just yesterday I was in a massage place where the girls HJ was better than when she had her mouth on my dick. It is a rare occurrence but it does happen with me. Of course, I was in Pattaya. So maybe all the girls in Bangkok give good head. I don't know. I do my best to spend as little time there as possible.

But with me: [B]Pussy is Pussy[/B] at least when it comes to how it feels. It is how the pussy life support system (PLSS) performs that makes the different when it comes time to fuck the pussy. Now fucking a girls ass, that is always a unique and different experience.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2930372]HWould it be best to stay near the main malls like Siam Paragon, MBK and CentralWorld <snip>Not on a big budget and was looking to spend around US $50-60 per night max on a hotel.[/QUOTE]I think most of us would love to stay in arguably the nicest part of Sukhumvit between Chit Lom and Siam for under $60 US per night. I've stayed at the Intercontinental there. More like $250 US per night. The cheapest near your price point may be some place like Arnoma Grand.

As for free girls on a short visit. Maybe if you are a "hansum man" and funny as fark. Of course a "freebie" is never free that's why guys pay for girls to leave.

For massage joints, Soi 24 or Soi 33.

Want local civvy girls. Go to Ari or Ekkamai.

Thanks both for the helpful info. Much appreciated.

I'm familiar with Nana and Cowboy and love the gogo scene. Just got good intel on massage scene. But what of KTV. Not talked about much here. I love me a good KTV like China or Taiwan. But have no intel on KTV in Bangkok. Other than there are some in Patpong. Anyone done it? Pricing? Recommended places?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2930495]I think most of us would love to stay in arguably the nicest part of Sukhumvit between Chit Lom and Siam for under $60 US per night. I've stayed at the Intercontinental there. More like $250 US per night. The cheapest near your price point may be some place like Arnoma Grand.

As for free girls on a short visit. Maybe if you are a "hansum man" and funny as fark. Of course a "freebie" is never free that's why guys pay for girls to leave.

For massage joints, Soi 24 or Soi 33.

Want local civvy girls. Go to Ari or Ekkamai.[/QUOTE]What's the usual rate for a one hour massage with HJ or with a BJ? I'm familiar with pricing in Pattaya buy have actually surprisingly never gone to a massage with HJ / BJ massage shop in BKK.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2930372]Hey folks,*.

I am planning my first trip to Bangkok in August and am primarily interested in non-paid dates / encounters with local girls via dating apps like Tinder & Bumble. I am also interested in day / street game*with*local*girls and plan to visit massage places with HJ finish (not FS). *.

With that in mind, can anyone recommend which area I should stay in? Would it be best to stay near the main malls like Siam Paragon, MBK and CentralWorld or is there another area that would be better with plenty of massage places and a higher concentration of local girls to approach? Not on a big budget and was looking to spend around US $50-60 per night max on a hotel.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Couple of points, as "freebies" are my main game over here.

How long will you stay? If you're only here for a short holiday, then forget it. It takes time, money, and effort to be successful with the "freebies".

For sure I've gotten several back to my place after the first date, including one just last week, but as a general rule, it doesn't happen. They expect to be wined and dined, etc, etc (somewhat similar to western girls). The more educated and hot she is, the longer it takes to get in her pants. Very few normal girls over here are dying to be a cum receptacle for a horny two week holiday goer. It's just a fact. When I first started staying for long term periods of time here, it took quite a while to build up a good harem of "freebies", and by Thai pussy monger standards, I'm still fairly young, in good shape and considered "hansum". I'm not saying it won't happen for you, as every even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, but it will be frustrating, time consuming, and you may not find a high success rate.

Dating websites = 90% of the girls use photoshop on their pictures. ALWAYS get their line ID and have a video chat with them first. Then meet them at a Starbucks. Starbucks at T21 is my favorite place to meet with them. You will also need to sift out the LB's. I normally use Tinder and FB dating. Be a gentleman.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2930664]What's the usual rate for a one hour massage with HJ or with a BJ? I'm familiar with pricing in Pattaya buy have actually surprisingly never gone to a massage with HJ / BJ massage shop in BKK.[/QUOTE]Prices for massage varies, but is usually 300-400 for Thai, except for the shops pretending to be spas.

Between 1500 and 2000 extra for BJ, if you don't want to have a discussion.

I never pay more than 1000 extra for the BJ but usually they ask for 1500-2000 at first, even though we speak Thai about this. After some playful banter back and forth, few have declined at 1000, but not many. Usually they offer to change to FS after they start to get tired, though unless they're hot, I normally prefer BJ.

A HJ I am usually initially offered for 1000 (lol) extra I think, and guessing I could banter it down to 500 if was interested in a HJ here.

This is all around Sukhimvit. Outside the tourist ghetto, 500 extra for HJ, 1000 for BJ, without requiring much in the way of talk. Maybe a bit less if you want to negotiate.

Hey guys, I'm in Rio right now and thinking about coming to Bankgok. What is considered premium prices for the top notch girls these days? And best ways to find them? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2930737]Prices for massage varies, but is usually 300-400 for Thai, except for the shops pretending to be spas.

Between 1500 and 2000 extra for BJ, if you don't want to have a discussion.

I never pay more than 1000 extra for the BJ but usually they ask for 1500-2000 at first, even though we speak Thai about this. After some playful banter back and forth, few have declined at 1000, but not many. Usually they offer to change to FS after they start to get tired, though unless they're hot, I normally prefer BJ.

A HJ I am usually initially offered for 1000 (lol) extra I think, and guessing I could banter it down to 500 if was interested in a HJ here.

This is all around Sukhimvit. Outside the tourist ghetto, 500 extra for HJ, 1000 for BJ, without requiring much in the way of talk. Maybe a bit less if you want to negotiate.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback.

Gentlemen, does anyone know a good bar with multiple TVs that shows all the American NFL football games? Its an unusual time for games, I believe NFL games on Sundays in America will kick off in BKK at midnight on a Monday so the bar would have to be open all night past midnight until 10 am.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BallsDeep1980;2931050]Hey guys, I'm in Rio right now and thinking about coming to Bankgok. What is considered premium prices for the top notch girls these days? And best ways to find them? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Guess it depends how you define a top notch girl.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2930687]Couple of points, as "freebies" are my main game over here.

How long will you stay? If you're only here for a short holiday, then forget it. It takes time, money, and effort to be successful with the "freebies".

For sure I've gotten several back to my place after the first date, including one just last week, but as a general rule, it doesn't happen. They expect to be wined and dined, etc, etc (somewhat similar to western girls). The more educated and hot she is, the longer it takes to get in her pants. Very few normal girls over here are dying to be a cum receptacle for a horny two week holiday goer. It's just a fact. When I first started staying for long term periods of time here, it took quite a while to build up a good harem of "freebies", and by Thai pussy monger standards, I'm still fairly young, in good shape and considered "hansum". I'm not saying it won't happen for you, as every even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, but it will be frustrating, time consuming, and you may not find a high success rate.

Dating websites = 90% of the girls use photoshop on their pictures. ALWAYS get their line ID and have a video chat with them first. Then meet them at a Starbucks. Starbucks at T21 is my favorite place to meet with them. You will also need to sift out the LB's. I normally use Tinder and FB dating. Be a gentleman.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the write-up. I am curious about the "hotter and educated freeby girls. " I see them on TF. What type of relationship are they looking for?

Cherry Massage which used to give 2 shots for 1800 in Sukh 24/1 has shifted to.

Sukh 22 in a narrow lane opp to Holiday Inn. Lineup is bad compared and prices are 2000 for 1 hour.

In Suk24/1 Alley, opp to Boss massage, there is black door setup named some erotic massage which offers 2 girls for 2500 60 minutes.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2931203]Guess it depends how you define a top notch girl.[/QUOTE]I guess a good place to start would be how much do the higher end omes charge?

[QUOTE=Joseph88;2931187]Gentlemen, does anyone know a good bar with multiple TVs that shows all the American NFL football games? Its an unusual time for games, I believe NFL games on Sundays in America will kick off in BKK at midnight on a Monday so the bar would have to be open all night past midnight until 10 am.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Margarita Storm Sukhumvit 13.

The Birria Burritos are excellent. Excellent Ladyboy observation point too.

Its 12 hours difference.

[QUOTE=Joseph88;2931187]Gentlemen, does anyone know a good bar with multiple TVs that shows all the American NFL football games? Its an unusual time for games, I believe NFL games on Sundays in America will kick off in BKK at midnight on a Monday so the bar would have to be open all night past midnight until 10 am.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sukhumvit 13 has several, they open late for the NFL or are 24/7.

FA.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2930737]Prices for massage varies, but is usually 300-400 for Thai, except for the shops pretending to be spas.

Between 1500 and 2000 extra for BJ, if you don't want to have a discussion.

I never pay more than 1000 extra for the BJ but usually they ask for 1500-2000 at first, even though we speak Thai about this. After some playful banter back and forth, few have declined at 1000, but not many. Usually they offer to change to FS after they start to get tired, though unless they're hot, I normally prefer BJ.

A HJ I am usually initially offered for 1000 (lol) extra I think, and guessing I could banter it down to 500 if was interested in a HJ here.

This is all around Sukhimvit. Outside the tourist ghetto, 500 extra for HJ, 1000 for BJ, without requiring much in the way of talk. Maybe a bit less if you want to negotiate.[/QUOTE]It used to be a standard 500/1000/1500 for HJ / BJ / FS but these days are gone with COVID. HJ starts typically at 1000 now and I got quotes up to 4 K from ordinary massage girls in fairly legit shops. The Sukhumvit 23 special shops are normally 2500 k with a little negotiation space. They get customers primarily after midnight when other options get thinner and are rarely value for money unless you spot a new arrival and are into that.

FA.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;2931396]It used to be a standard 500/1000/1500 for HJ / BJ / FS but these days are gone with COVID. HJ starts typically at 1000 now and I got quotes up to 4 K from ordinary massage girls in fairly legit shops. The Sukhumvit 23 special shops are normally 2500 k with a little negotiation space. They get customers primarily after midnight when other options get thinner and are rarely value for money unless you spot a new arrival and are into that.

FA.[/QUOTE]Have regularly been quoted on Soi 23/24 1000/ HJ. 2000/ BJ 3000/ FS.

I am back in BKK went to Suk 23 yesterday same place where I saw the girl last year but she wasn't there tried another she was ok enthusiastic and friendly but not like the 9. 5 last year can't recall the name at the moment but it's directly opposite the little Korean food shop as you enter soi 23.

OK I know there are many places on 23 next time I go I will definitely get the name.

Service was OK the cost is as explained in the previous post no discount I went about 11 pm so very little choices next time I will try 2 therapists.

But most of the shops on 23 are priced the same.

I am just searching for that diamond I found last year.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2931415]I am back in BKK went to Suk 23 yesterday same place where I saw the girl last year but she wasn't there tried another she was ok enthusiastic and friendly but not like the 9. 5 last year can't recall the name at the moment but it's directly opposite the little Korean food shop as you enter soi 23.

OK I know there are many places on 23 next time I go I will definitely get the name.

Service was OK the cost is as explained in the previous post no discount I went about 11 pm so very little choices next time I will try 2 therapists.

But most of the shops on 23 are priced the same.

I am just searching for that diamond I found last year.[/QUOTE]A fools errand! Emoji.

Can anyone suggest a good pace which has pre op LB where I can get a good massage and extras.

Am staying in Sukumvith soi 22.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;2931396]It used to be a standard 500/1000/1500 for HJ / BJ / FS but these days are gone with COVID. HJ starts typically at 1000 now and I got quotes up to 4 K from ordinary massage girls in fairly legit shops. The Sukhumvit 23 special shops are normally 2500 k with a little negotiation space. They get customers primarily after midnight when other options get thinner and are rarely value for money unless you spot a new arrival and are into that.

FA.[/QUOTE]No, these are prices as of today. Yes, sometimes I do hear some crazy price like 2,000 for a HJ, but I can't stop myself from laughing when that happens.

Yesterday my will was weak and I was forced to accept a HJ for 500 though at the end of a two hour thai massage (she refused to blow, offered FS, but I wasn't interested in that).

Easiest on Soi 24. More or less all shops on that road provide special service, most of them probably including FS if you want. They all blurt out some crazy price at first, but usually come down to earth if you don't jump on it.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929880]I doubt Baccarat Hello girls are giving on preMises blowjobs.[/QUOTE]How is the new Baccarat on Sukhumvit Soi 24? Did you really go? Seems to be mainly Farang in the photos. Maybe some of you guys who enjoy picking up freebies can check it out and report back.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2841160]
A few weeks ago I walked by the Hyatt before midnight, Spasso restaurant was already closed.
[/QUOTE]I heard they reopened the Spasso's bar with a new name called Gaston. Did anyone take a peek there lately? It seems like a French restaurant to me from what I read online. The timing seems a bit odd to me. It is open until 2 am while the restaurant serves food till 11 pm most days. Could anyone of our locals here in this forum confirm if they been there after 11 pm lately?

Hiho!

Since I don't want to step on any toes and I am a newbie when it comes to paysex (in thailand), how does one ask for what services are provided?

For example if I meet a freelancer in front the sofitel, do I just ask her if she does anal? Bare back blowjob? CIM? And so on?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2931297]Thanks for the write-up. I am curious about the "hotter and educated freeby girls. " I see them on TF. What type of relationship are they looking for?[/QUOTE]I've never used TF before.

As far as the hotter and more educated freebies, it all depends. I've had them on both ends of the spectrum. Had many where I was never able to get their pants on one end of the spectrum, while on the other end, I've had a few who wanted nothing more than a dick for the night. All depends on the girl, as they're all different.

[QUOTE=Layseven;2931580]Hiho!

Since I don't want to step on any toes and I am a newbie when it comes to paysex (in thailand), how does one ask for what services are provided?

For example if I meet a freelancer in front the sofitel, do I just ask her if she does anal? Bare back blowjob? CIM? And so on?[/QUOTE]Are you seven years old.

[QUOTE=Layseven;2931580]Hiho!

Since I don't want to step on any toes and I am a newbie when it comes to paysex (in thailand), how does one ask for what services are provided?

For example if I meet a freelancer in front the sofitel, do I just ask her if she does anal? Bare back blowjob? CIM? And so on?[/QUOTE]Hey brother, welcome to the [B]Bangkok Reports[/B] thread. First of all you question would be better received in the [B]Thailand lounge and Chat[/B] thread. This thread is full of know it alls that have been professional tricks for so long they don't remember that they were once new also.

Ignore the assholes with the negative commentary and desire to make themselves superior by writing shit to you.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2931701]Are you seven years old.[/QUOTE]This is a question he needs to answer for himself.

In Thailand you get what you negotiate. You just ask for it and you ask directly. If you do not speak Thai and they do not speak your language use google translate.

[I]boom boom; no condom; you ok?[/I]

[I]I want to finish in your mouth; you ok?[/I]

[I]I want to fuck your ass. you ok?[/I]

Now I will wait for a particular lame ass mother fucker to tell me I am giving you bad advice. LOL!

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=Layseven;2931580]Hiho!

Since I don't want to step on any toes and I am a newbie when it comes to paysex (in thailand), how does one ask for what services are provided?

For example if I meet a freelancer in front the sofitel, do I just ask her if she does anal? Bare back blowjob? CIM? And so on?[/QUOTE]All of then are very upfront.

Once I saw a guy on the street showing the WG porn video clips and askinng if she was willing to do the act in the video.

They are there to sell their ware and are not shy. You can ask anything upfront. There are hundreds of WGs. Just walk up and keep practicing.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2931701]Are you seven years old.[/QUOTE]I wish!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2931709]Hey brother, welcome to the [B]Bangkok Reports[/B] thread. First of all you question would be better received in the [B]Thailand lounge and Chat[/B] thread. This thread is full of know it alls that have been professional tricks for so long they don't remember that they were once new also.

Ignore the assholes with the negative commentary and desire to make themselves superior by writing shit to you.

This is a question he needs to answer for himself.

In Thailand you get what you negotiate. You just ask for it and you ask directly. If you do not speak Thai and they do not speak your language use google translate.

[I]boom boom; no condom; you ok?[/I]

[I]I want to finish in your mouth; you ok?[/I]

[I]I want to fuck your ass. you ok?[/I]

Now I will wait for a particular lame ass mother fucker to tell me I am giving you bad advice. LOL!

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]Thanks! Yeah that's what I thought. Probably not the best to openly ask if I can fuck a ladyboy bareback in an emperor costume though.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2931717]All of then are very upfront.

Once I saw a guy on the street showing the WG porn video clips and askinng if she was willing to do the act in the video.

They are there to sell their ware and are not shy. You can ask anything upfront. There are hundreds of WGs. Just walk up and keep practicing.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Yeah, I guess if its something everyone asks its going to be an easy time to communicate. Unlucky probably if you have some special kinks.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2931717]All of then are very upfront.

Once I saw a guy on the street showing the WG porn video clips and askinng if she was willing to do the act in the video.

They are there to sell their ware and are not shy. You can ask anything upfront. There are hundreds of WGs. Just walk up and keep practicing.[/QUOTE]Most are shy. So much unTruths floating around.

If you talking Anal to a random. Oh BOY. LOL. Hahaha.

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2931709]...
Now I will wait for a particular lame ass mother fucker to tell me I am giving you bad advice. LOL!

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]I'm sure in your head arent I, MessBoy / Oracle.

[QUOTE=Layseven;2931580]Hiho!

Since I don't want to step on any toes and I am a newbie when it comes to paysex (in thailand), how does one ask for what services are provided?

For example if I meet a freelancer in front the sofitel, do I just ask her if she does anal? Bare back blowjob? CIM? And so on?[/QUOTE]RTFF and you'll even learn local slang for the filthy acts you want.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2931709]In Thailand you get what you negotiate. You just ask for it and you ask directly. If you do not speak Thai and they do not speak your language use google translate.

[I]boom boom; no condom; you ok?[/I]

[I]I want to finish in your mouth; you ok?[/I]

[I]I want to fuck your ass. you ok?[/I]

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]Isn't Thailand wonderful. A place where you can ask a complete stranger if she takes it up the ass, and be certain you're not going to get your face slapped.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2932097]Isn't Thailand wonderful. A place where you can ask a complete stranger if she takes it up the ass, and be certain you're not going to get your face slapped.[/QUOTE]Well, if she's a working girl and you're negotiating that's true, but civilian Thai girl? No way.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2932170]Well, if she's a working girl and you're negotiating that's true, but civilian Thai girl? No way.[/QUOTE]Please, this isn't a new flash. It is a basic principle worldwide. Got to love the PUAs (Pick up artists) among us talking shit about all the free pussy they get as if no one else knows how to deal with a regular girl. [B]LOL![/B].

I wrote a post about a civilian and it was deleted.

Just visited Bangkok last week. Had a wonderful 1 week stay. Apologies on the last couple of posts which were just for fun.

Anyway when I arrived at BKK airport what was strange though was the lady immigration officer examining my passport very minutely, rubbing her fingers along the cover, feeling the pages, looking through the pages for a good 3-4 minutes before handing over my passport back to me. She gave it one last look even after stamping it! I come from the sub continent however I'm clean cut and dressed very neatly. Not sure if it was the base ball cap I was wearing caused this. It was a relatively new passport though with only one entry and exit stamp to Thailand from my previous visit but nonetheless it is a genuine passport.

Apart from this incident my forays took me to Tulip and doki doki mostly. Had a couple of legit massages at P’s Thai Massage shop. Amazing professional massages. Stayed at sukhumvit soi 4. Had an amazing time! In the mornings I did manage to squeeze in sometime for visits to Siam Paragon, MBK mall and visited a couple of nice restaurants around town. BKK has a definitely vibrant feel to it than any boring Indian city.

Definitely looking forward to coming back soon.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2932223]Just visited Bangkok last week. Had a wonderful 1 week stay. Apologies on the last couple of posts which were just for fun.

Anyway when I arrived at BKK airport what was strange though was the lady immigration officer examining my passport very minutely, rubbing her fingers along the cover, feeling the pages, looking through the pages for a good 3-4 minutes before handing over my passport back to me. She gave it one last look even after stamping it! I come from the sub continent however I'm clean cut and dressed very neatly. Not sure if it was the base ball cap I was wearing caused this. It was a relatively new passport though with only one entry and exit stamp to Thailand from my previous visit but nonetheless it is a genuine passport.

Apart from this incident my forays took me to Tulip and doki doki mostly. Had a couple of legit massages at Ps Thai Massage shop. Amazing professional massages. Stayed at sukhumvit soi 4 . Had an amazing time! In the mornings I did manage to squeeze in sometime for visits to Siam Paragon, MBK mall and visited a couple of nice restaurants around town. BKK has a definitely vibrant feel to it than any boring Indian city.

Definitely looking forward to coming back soon.[/QUOTE]Fresh passports are always scrutinized by immigration for obvious reasons. Fakes are usually new and used once. Old passports with multiple stamps, visas, and worn pages have obviously already been scrutinized by many an immigration officer and embassy. She's just doing her job as she was trained to do. Nothing to do with your nationality, whether you are shaved or how you are dressed. BTW you should always remove hats when walking through customs or immigration, not because you look shady, but because there are overhead cameras that need to capture your face clearly at these gateways. Anyways. Tell us more about Doki Doki.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2932244]Fresh passports are always scrutinized by immigration for obvious reasons. Fakes are usually new and used once. Old passports with multiple stamps, visas, and worn pages have obviously already been scrutinized by many an immigration officer and embassy. She's just doing her job as she was trained to do. Nothing to do with your nationality, whether you are shaved or how you are dressed. BTW you should always remove hats when walking through customs or immigration, not because you look shady, but because there are overhead cameras that need to capture your face clearly at these gateways. Anyways. Tell us more about Doki Doki.[/QUOTE]The only passport hassles in 50 years for me was entering Thailand wth a temporary passport. Added three minutes to my journey. They got a touch confused over it.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2931851]Most are shy. So much unTruths floating around.

If you talking Anal to a random. Oh BOY. LOL. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Not talking about random girls. I am referring to the negotiation once you established someone as a WG.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2932223]Just visited Bangkok last week. Had a wonderful 1 week stay. Apologies on the last couple of posts which were just for fun.

Anyway when I arrived at BKK airport what was strange though was the lady immigration officer examining my passport very minutely, rubbing her fingers along the cover, feeling the pages, looking through the pages for a good 3-4 minutes before handing over my passport back to me. She gave it one last look even after stamping it! I come from the sub continent however I'm clean cut and dressed very neatly. Not sure if it was the base ball cap I was wearing caused this. It was a relatively new passport though with only one entry and exit stamp to Thailand from my previous visit but nonetheless it is a genuine passport.

Apart from this incident my forays took me to Tulip and doki doki mostly. Had a couple of legit massages at Ps Thai Massage shop. Amazing professional massages. Stayed at sukhumvit soi 4 . Had an amazing time! In the mornings I did manage to squeeze in sometime for visits to Siam Paragon, MBK mall and visited a couple of nice restaurants around town. BKK has a definitely vibrant feel to it than any boring Indian city.

Definitely looking forward to coming back soon.[/QUOTE]There was a recent case in the Thai news of an Indian tourist that was glueing pages of his passport together to hide his trips to Thailand from his wife. Thai immigration discovered it on the Indian tourist's recent trip and it went viral in the news.

So this immigration agent was obviously trying to see if you had any pages glued. LOL.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2932244] Anyways. Tell us more about Doki Doki.[/QUOTE]So I alternated my 5 day stay in BKK with visits to Tulip & Doki Doki.

At Doki Doki I took a short girl on one day with big racks. Excellent nuru massage followed by intercourse on the air mattress with both a wash up before and after service. My next visit to Doki, I chose a tall girl (never bothered to ask for the names) had a slight feeling that she was a post op LB but the guy at the receptionist told me not to worry they are all women. So went with her. Service was just meh compared to the previous girl.

The best service I had was Tulip. I fingered one of the girls in her bum, penetrated her bare back standing while she was showering me and even had BBFSCIP with her. And on my next visit to Tulip I chose 2 girls and had some good fun. The service is unmatched. The girls washed me up before and after the act. Very nice. Tipped 500 THB and took their LINE ID's. One keeps texting me how much she misses me...Hope she doesn't make requests for any money! lol!

I heard that of the 1900 THB paid to the shop (Tulip) for 1 hour of service - 1200 goes to the girl and 700 goes to the shop. (not sure how far this is true.). Tulip is very dark and gloomy from the inside... Has a retro vibe to it... and from the outside, it looks like a Chinese take away restaurant what one would find in the west. Very dimly lit sign board and taxi driver who dropped me off remarked that it might be closed due to the dim lights.... Anyone here know how old this establishment is?

Wish I had the energy to visit more massage shops. But was just too tired to do more in the short 5 day stay. Not to forget hour long Grab taxi rides in traffic. Motor bike taxis are fast but I was not comfortable taking one as I had slider sandals on.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2932340]There was a recent case in the Thai news of an Indian tourist that was glueing pages of his passport together to hide his trips to Thailand from his wife. Thai immigration discovered it on the Indian tourist's recent trip and it went viral in the news.

So this immigration agent was obviously trying to see if you had any pages glued. LOL.[/QUOTE]He was lucky he got arrested at Mumbai airport in India. At least he is in his own home country. Had it been Bangkok, It would have not worked out so well for him.

How hard is it to find a girl you can fist? (pussy not ass).

I like your post. There are free boom boom. If you are there long and have a routine of meeting girls, being nice, taking them out, and have your apt, then the chances of getting sex without paying directly increases. But I think most dudes cannot stay for a long time so they resort to fast and quick paid programs.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929719]For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrHopalicious;2932670]How hard is it to find a girl you can fist? (pussy not ass).[/QUOTE]Better off going to Germany.

Damn. Bareback.

Are you on PrEP or going Yolo.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2932592]So I alternated my 5 day stay in BKK with visits to Tulip & Doki Doki.

At Doki Doki I took a short girl on one day with big racks. Excellent nuru massage followed by intercourse on the air mattress with both a wash up before and after service. My next visit to Doki, I chose a tall girl (never bothered to ask for the names) had a slight feeling that she was a post op LB but the guy at the receptionist told me not to worry they are all women. So went with her. Service was just meh compared to the previous girl.

The best service I had was Tulip. I fingered one of the girls in her bum, penetrated her bare back standing while she was showering me and even had BBFSCIP with her. And on my next visit to Tulip I chose 2 girls and had some good fun. The service is unmatched. The girls washed me up before and after the act. Very nice. Tipped 500 THB and took their LINE ID's. One keeps texting me how much she misses me...Hope she doesn't make requests for any money! lol!

I heard that of the 1900 THB paid to the shop (Tulip) for 1 hour of service - 1200 goes to the girl and 700 goes to the shop. (not sure how far this is true.). Tulip is very dark and gloomy from the inside... Has a retro vibe to it... and from the outside, it looks like a Chinese take away restaurant what one would find in the west. Very dimly lit sign board and taxi driver who dropped me off remarked that it might be closed due to the dim lights.... Anyone here know how old this establishment is?

Wish I had the energy to visit more massage shops. But was just too tired to do more in the short 5 day stay. Not to forget hour long Grab taxi rides in traffic. Motor bike taxis are fast but I was not comfortable taking one as I had slider sandals on.[/QUOTE]

Hello fellow mongers, I have arrived in Bangkok but my very first time here as a 22 year old 7 years ago truly opened my eyes LOL.

It seems the scene has changed since I've last been here and now everyone is clamoring over the tall, pale skinned East Asian look for their choice of WG. I would've went to China, Korea, Japan, heck even Taiwan to get that itch scratched not Bangkok.

Do any vets know of any areas or spots where I can find the true natural resource of Thailand? Ie. Isaan farm / rural girls, (Laos Myanmar or Cambodian works too), petite, super short, preferably no tatts. Not concerned on price or location, if those girls are supplied at where locals frequent, I'll take my chances.

And please don't tell me to travel outside of Bangkok, I'm currently residing here with the Missus and I can't really explain an impromptu trip to somewhere far.

Thank you in advance and if anyone points me to the right direction, let's meet up so I can buy you whatever, and whoever you'the want all night haha.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2932955]Damn. Bareback.

Are you on PrEP or going Yolo.[/QUOTE]Yolo'ing bareback in Tulip = Fine.

Motorbike with flip flops on = No way Hozay!

I don't know what's funnier. Sticky-fingers passport guy or raw-dawg pedicure dude.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2932244]Fresh passports are always scrutinized by immigration for obvious reasons. Fakes are usually new and used once. Old passports with multiple stamps, visas, and worn pages have obviously already been scrutinized by many an immigration officer and embassy. She's just doing her job as she was trained to do. Nothing to do with your nationality, whether you are shaved or how you are dressed. BTW you should always remove hats when walking through customs or immigration, not because you look shady, but because there are overhead cameras that need to capture your face clearly at these gateways. Anyways. Tell us more about Doki Doki.[/QUOTE]It has been a while I wrote in this forum. The last time I was in Bangkok, I experienced a couple of setbacks and I almost felt that I should probably take Bangkok out of my list of mongering destinations.

I never experienced it first-hand before but the last time it kinda affirmed that being an Indian in Thailand is a customary second-class treatment. I am a proud Indian-American, but in Thailand I felt like I get judged for affordability for few $10 drinks. I was stopped while entering in Levels night club around 1 am with a justification that the club is full, but then a white security desk guy came running from the desk and told the Thai security guys who stopped me at the entrance that I am good to go because he knew me from the previous night. I never experienced this before so I obviously took it personally, I was speechless. I walked out of there even though they told me they were sorry. I walked to Havana Social at 1:30 am when they were about to close 2 am, I saw few Europeans at the entrance haggling at the entrance as it was 30 minutes remnant and they were not pleased to pay 400 bhat each. I spent the next 30 minutes there and picked up a cute 24 year old for the night.

While flying out, at the Bangkok airport customs, a white guy told me "you are not supposed to cut the line". I may have engulfed in my phone texting that I may have swayed from my intended line. But the prejudiced notion in the mind of that person to think it was intentional and that he need to remind me was interesting to say the least. Back in America, I would have never received prejudices like that.

I like Bangkok, I even got in touch with a real-estate agent and saw few properties, a Condo so I can spend a month or two a year there but I am contemplating now. I almost finalized a Condo in Ashton behind Terminal 21 but after this Levels incident I don't know if I can live in Bangkok proudly.

[QUOTE=JohnnyBoy3212;2933061]Hello fellow mongers, I have arrived in Bangkok but my very first time here as a 22 year old 7 years ago truly opened my eyes LOL.

It seems the scene has changed since I've last been here and now everyone is clamoring over the tall, pale skinned East Asian look for their choice of WG. I would've went to China, Korea, Japan, heck even Taiwan to get that itch scratched not Bangkok.

Do any vets know of any areas or spots where I can find the true natural resource of Thailand? Ie. Isaan farm / rural girls, (Laos Myanmar or Cambodian works too), petite, super short, preferably no tatts. Not concerned on price or location, if those girls are supplied at where locals frequent, I'll take my chances.

And please don't tell me to travel outside of Bangkok, I'm currently residing here with the Missus and I can't really explain an impromptu trip to somewhere far.

Thank you in advance and if anyone points me to the right direction, let's meet up so I can buy you whatever, and whoever you'the want all night haha.[/QUOTE]There are natural looking girls all over the adult venues in Bangkok. Got to get out there and look the lineup changes daily.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2915373]If you snagged Fa by the back door and she was like 25 and looked 14, you got a gem.[/QUOTE]It seems you experienced the EXACT type of Thai girl I'm looking for! Do you mind if I pm?

[QUOTE=JohnnyBoy3212;2933189]It seems you experienced the EXACT type of Thai girl I'm looking for! Do you mind if I pm?[/QUOTE]Yes I do. Go there and look.

I don't give out girls contact info.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;2933142]It has been a while I wrote in this forum. The last time I was in Bangkok, I experienced a couple of setbacks and I almost felt that I should probably take Bangkok out of my list of mongering destinations.

I never experienced it first-hand before but the last time it kinda affirmed that being an Indian in Thailand is a customary second-class treatment. I am a proud Indian-American, but in Thailand I felt like I get judged for affordability for few $10 drinks. I was stopped while entering in Levels night club around 1 am with a justification that the club is full, but then a white security desk guy came running from the desk and told the Thai security guys who stopped me at the entrance that I am good to go because he knew me from the previous night. I never experienced this before so I obviously took it personally, I was speechless. I walked out of there even though they told me they were sorry. [/QUOTE]It's never nice to get that kind of treatment, but it seems you took the wrong thing personally.

The security guy who knew / recognized you, and the way he treated you, that was personal. The way the security guy who did not know / recognise treated you, that was not personal. I'd say blame the 99 other indians who walked the road before you for the way the latter security guy treated you.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929719]For all you Bangkok mongers that think you have to pay every time, you are sadly mistaken. Bangkok is not like Pattaya. There are plenty of normal girls here. Talk to them out in the shops and restaurants as they work. Meet them in the clubs. Here is a pic from one of my dates that ended up over at my place. Feebies can be had, Just go out and chat them up. You will be surprised.[/QUOTE]Do civvies (normal girls) care about age difference?

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2933178]Biggest spender in nana plaza go go bars are Indians not Koreans or European or Americans.[/QUOTE]Which Nana gogo bar (s) do all these Indians go to?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2933297]Which Nana gogo bar (s) do all these Indians go to?[/QUOTE]Not billboard or rainbow three or twisters.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2933291]Do civvies (normal girls) care about age difference?[/QUOTE]No, they're just as happy to go out with somebody their own age, +/- a couple of years, as someone who could be their grandfather, with a body that makes him look like he ate their grandfather.

Visited 7-Heaven BJ Bar for the first time today. I've always wanted to try this place and now I'm glad I did. The shop is located in the first alley to the right off Sukhumvit 33. There is another place almost directly across the street where the girls sit outside. I think it's worth checking out as several girls looked very nice. Full service is not allowed at 7-Heaven. Pricing is B1,300 for BJ and B1,000 for HJ. You pick the girl from her pics on a tablet. I chose a slim dark haired girl. When I met her in person she looked nothing like her tablet pic. The good news is she looked younger in person. She had gained a few pounds but only a few I swear. Overall I would say she was very good looking. She did a thorough clean up of me at the sink, removed her top, placed me on the bed, and gave an excellent BJ with a lot of eye contact. I had her stop for a few seconds in the middle because I wasn't going to last too long. After the deed was done she gave me a nice, skillful massage.

While there I saw 2 other girls who were also good looking. I could have selected either of them. I would definitely recommend 7 Heaven if you're in the mood for a BJ bar. It's definitely a step above Wood Bar, Lolita, etc. It's pricey for a BJ bar but worth it due to the service and looks of the girls.

I recently had an unforgettable night at Bunny Bar on Sukhumvit Soi 4. The atmosphere was lively and the drinks were reasonablly priced. I spent the evening drinking with two delightful ladies who were not only beautiful but also a lot of fun to be around.

We messed around in the bar for a while, enjoying the music and the playful ambiance. Later in the night, I decided to take one of the girls out to Oskar's restaurant on Soi 11 Sukhumvit for a late-night meal. The food was fantastic, and the company made it even better. We chatted, laughed, and enjoyed each other's presence.

After dinner, we headed back to my hotel where the real fun began. She was incredibly skilled in bed, especially when riding me and in doggy. The experience was exhilarating and truly memorable. The words "Cum inside me". Get me every time. Like I said before, if a lady says this to me in the sack, I will sign over my house, my car, and my 401K Lol

In terms of the cost, it was definitely worth it for the fantastic night I had. Bunny Bar and the ladies there provided an exceptional experience that I won't soon forget. If you're looking for a great time in Bangkok, I highly recommend stopping by Bunny Bar and maybe even treating one of the ladies to a night out. Here are some shots of the two of them. Damage was a 6000 Baht bar bill, 2000 baht at Oskars, 7000 Baht at one of the Hillary bars on soi 11 and 6000 baht to the lady for LT. Great night!!!

However, not all the ladies are like these two. There are two shifts and these two are from the day shift, which starts at 11AM and finishes at 7PM. The nightshift will have completely different ladies.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933601]I recently had an unforgettable night at Bunny Bar on Sukhumvit Soi 4. The atmosphere was lively and the drinks were reasonablly priced. I spent the evening drinking with two delightful ladies who were not only beautiful but also a lot of fun to be around.

We messed around in the bar for a while, enjoying the music and the playful ambiance. Later in the night, I decided to take one of the girls out to Oskar's restaurant on Soi 11 Sukhumvit for a late-night meal. The food was fantastic, and the company made it even better. We chatted, laughed, and enjoyed each other's presence.

After dinner, we headed back to my hotel where the real fun began. She was incredibly skilled in bed, especially when riding me and in doggy. The experience was exhilarating and truly memorable. The words "Cum inside me". Get me every time. Like I said before, if a lady says this to me in the sack, I will sign over my house, my car, and my 401K Lol

In terms of the cost, it was definitely worth it for the fantastic night I had. Bunny Bar and the ladies there provided an exceptional experience that I won't soon forget.[/QUOTE]Great report, brings back memories. Both are too old for me tho.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933601]I recently had an unforgettable night at Bunny Bar on Sukhumvit Soi 4. The atmosphere was lively and the drinks were reasonablly priced. I spent the evening drinking with two delightful ladies who were not only beautiful but also a lot of fun to be around.

We messed around in the bar for a while, enjoying the music and the playful ambiance. Later in the night, I decided to take one of the girls out to Oskar's restaurant on Soi 11 Sukhumvit for a late-night meal. The food was fantastic, and the company made it even better. We chatted, laughed, and enjoyed each other's presence.

After dinner, we headed back to my hotel where the real fun began. She was incredibly skilled in bed, especially when riding me and in doggy. The experience was exhilarating and truly memorable. The words "Cum inside me". Get me every time. Like I said before, if a lady says this to me in the sack, I will sign over my house, my car, and my 401K Lol

In terms of the cost, it was definitely worth it for the fantastic night I had. Bunny Bar and the ladies there provided an exceptional experience that I won't soon forget. If you're looking for a great time in Bangkok, I highly recommend stopping by Bunny Bar and maybe even treating one of the ladies to a night out. Here are some shots of the two of them. Damage was a 6000 Baht bar bill, 2000 baht at Oskars, 7000 Baht at one of the Hillary bars on soi 11 and 6000 baht to the lady for LT. Great night!!!

However, not all the ladies are like these two. There are two shifts and these two are from the day shift, which starts at 11AM and finishes at 7PM. The nightshift will have completely different ladies.[/QUOTE]I'm a little confused about Bunny. I took a girl from Bunny INSIDE Nana Plaza. But this Bunny looks to be on the street outside nana plaza. Are they connected? Different places?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2933627]I'm a little confused about Bunny. I took a girl from Bunny INSIDE Nana Plaza. But this Bunny looks to be on the street outside nana plaza. Are they connected? Different places?[/QUOTE]Last time I looked, inside Nana Plaza was Bun Bun bar. Perhaps similar bar names are causing confusion.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2933291]Do civvies (normal girls) care about age difference?[/QUOTE]Yes.

But money will overcome many objections.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933601] Damage was a 6000 Baht bar bill, 2000 baht at Oskars, 7000 Baht at one of the Hillary bars on soi 11 and 6000 baht to the lady for LT. [/QUOTE]For 21 k baht I would expect a threesome with Miss Thailand and her best friend.

[QUOTE=Allover;2933567]Visited 7-Heaven BJ Bar for the first time today. I've always wanted to try this place and now I'm glad I did. The shop is located in the first alley to the right off Sukhumvit 33. There is another place almost directly across the street where the girls sit outside. I think it's worth checking out as several girls looked very nice. Full service is not allowed at 7-Heaven.[/QUOTE]I was there yesterday, and when I entered my little cubicle, the pair in the next cubicle were going at it hard. Sex is not on the official menu (I have a vague recollection that possibly it was before, but I'm not sure), but these two were going at it loud and clear. If I were to guess, and that's just a guess, the extra tip would be around 1,000 for this.

Another somewhat similarly "up-scale" BJ-bar is bit-style on soi 22, inside one of the small sois near the big marriot hotel, same side. I stopped by there day before yesterday I think, but at that time, "all girls busy". They had a lot less girls than 7-heaven the times I've been there though. Just 3-5 girls usually.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2933636]For 21 k baht I would expect a threesome with Miss Thailand and her best friend.[/QUOTE]This was the whole nigh. It's not related directly to the girl. When I go out, I want to have fun. Drink, eat, and fuck. One girl is 32 and the other is 28. I took the 28 year old one. However, the 32 year old looks younger, has a killer ass and killer tits.

Have you not spent 20,000 baht out partying in one night before. Why do you directly relate the full cost of a night out partying to one girl you fuck. You my friend are too narrow minded. How can you have fun in Thailand?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2933291]Do civvies (normal girls) care about age difference?[/QUOTE]Every girl is different. Some won't care and some will care. I can tell you that it is more accepted in Thai culture for a man to be much older than it is in western culture. I see many normal office girls with married kiks and even older boyfriends.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2933535]No, they're just as happy to go out with somebody their own age, +/- a couple of years, as someone who could be their grandfather, with a body that makes him look like he ate their grandfather.[/QUOTE]This posters sarcastic reply holds no weight. He obviously has never lived in Thailand full time before and thinks that young and handsome guys get more pussy than older guys. Think again buddy. I know some really hot 19 and 20 year old Thai girls in university in Bangkok that won’t go out with any men under 40. Why? Because they think that younger guys have no money and don’t know how to treat them properly.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2933647]I was there yesterday, and when I entered my little cubicle, the pair in the next cubicle were going at it hard. Sex is not on the official menu (I have a vague recollection that possibly it was before, but I'm not sure), but these two were going at it loud and clear. If I were to guess, and that's just a guess, the extra tip would be around 1,000 for this.

Another somewhat similarly "up-scale" BJ-bar is bit-style on soi 22, inside one of the small sois near the big marriot hotel, same side. I stopped by there day before yesterday I think, but at that time, "all girls busy". They had a lot less girls than 7-heaven the times I've been there though. Just 3-5 girls usually.[/QUOTE]Yes it's def on the unofficial menu in the room with the right girl. My buddy had a great FS experience there. She offered and he was down.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933650]This was the whole nigh. It's not related directly to the girl. When I go out, I want to have fun. Drink, eat, and fuck. One girl is 32 and the other is 28. I took the 28 year old one. However, the 32 year old looks younger, has a killer ass and killer tits.

Have you not spent 20,000 baht out partying in one night before. Why do you directly relate the full cost of a night out partying to one girl you fuck. You my friend are too narrow minded. How can you have fun in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Thats the spirit. You are young and can afford it, go nuts! I would have gone to a hotel buffet just to be Neronic.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933653]Every girl is different. Some won't care and some will care. I can tell you that it is more accepted in Thai culture for a man to be much older than it is in western culture. I see many normal office girls with married kiks and even older boyfriends.

This posters sarcastic reply holds no weight. He obviously has never lived in Thailand full time before and thinks that young and handsome guys get more pussy than older guys. Think again buddy. I know some really hot 19 and 20 year old Thai girls in university in Bangkok that wont go out with any men under 40. Why? Because they think that younger guys have no money and dont know how to treat them properly.[/QUOTE]Thanks, but I lived in Thailand, off and on, for about 10 years once upon a time. I also know that now, at 50 years of age, both the quantity and quality of civilian girls I get is very different from 20 years ago, and I'm not going to fool myself by pretending otherwise.

Yes, I do still bang girls less than half my age (I'm hoping to bang tomorrow the, I guess around 23-24 years old, waitress that was serving my dinner this evening at one of the marriot hotels), but while 20 years ago I'd take it for granted that we will meet tomorrow (she said it was her day off), or she might even have asked me to meet after her shift was over, today I think my odds of even meeting her again are just 50/50.

On the other hand, in the west that would be just 1/10, if she would even bother to pretend being interested.

20 years ago my hobby was banging 20 year old (and younger, at least one was 19) bar-girls, including go-go bar girls, for free when they had no customers. Today that's not happening.

Anything else that's obvious to you, which you would like to share?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933650]Have you not spent 20,000 baht out partying in one night before.[/QUOTE]No, not even close, and many on here would be apopletic with rage at the suggestion that anyone could consider it good vaule for money.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2933647]I was there yesterday, and when I entered my little cubicle, the pair in the next cubicle were going at it hard. Sex is not on the official menu (I have a vague recollection that possibly it was before, but I'm not sure), but these two were going at it loud and clear. If I were to guess, and that's just a guess, the extra tip would be around 1,000 for this.

Another somewhat similarly "up-scale" BJ-bar is bit-style on soi 22, inside one of the small sois near the big marriot hotel, same side. I stopped by there day before yesterday I think, but at that time, "all girls busy". They had a lot less girls than 7-heaven the times I've been there though. Just 3-5 girls usually.[/QUOTE]Don't they have this little sign at reception saying no FS? I always found it funny but yes, if the chemistry and payment is right everything goes.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;2933710]Don't they have this little sign at reception saying no FS? I always found it funny but yes, if the chemistry and payment is right everything goes.[/QUOTE]The sign is still there. Business is good there. They were quite busy at about 3 pm.

Does anybody know this place? It has invaded my Facebook. The videos feature these cute girls dancing gamely on stage, and I see some of them wearing sashes for having sold 50 drinks. Can you have fun there, or is it just a hostess bar?

[QUOTE=OneEyedMan;2933726]Does anybody know this place? It has invaded my Facebook. The videos feature these cute girls dancing gamely on stage, and I see some of them wearing sashes for having sold 50 drinks. Can you have fun there, or is it just a hostess bar?[/QUOTE]I don't know anything about this place but it looks okay on facebook. The problem is it's very far from where most of us stay and party. 40+ kilometers from my condo in Bangkok traffic? No thanks unless going for a special occasion.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2933678]No, not even close, and many on here would be apopletic with rage at the suggestion that anyone could consider it good vaule for money.[/QUOTE]Who ever said that spending 20,000 Baht partying would be good value for money?

[QUOTE=OneEyedMan;2933726]Does anybody know this place? It has invaded my Facebook. The videos feature these cute girls dancing gamely on stage, and I see some of them wearing sashes for having sold 50 drinks. Can you have fun there, or is it just a hostess bar?[/QUOTE]Thai venue north of the airport. Awhile back I started to hang out mainly at the Thai venues with some of my local connects. Yep, I gave up Walking Street, Nana, and Soi Cowboy in last few trips to Pattaya and Bangkok. Found myself staying in areas like Thonburi, Silom, and Huai Kwang instead of near Terminal 21 Asoke. Now I avoid Sukhumvit entirely. Feels so scammish to me after all this years. I balk at girls demanding 2500-5000 now, even for top shelf GoGo types. Why because there are better deals to be had at the local venues. All I can say, is it is a whole new ball game when you are with the locals in their party places. Can't say the girls that work these places are receptive to all foreigners, but they are good with me. I am never looking back. Those who know what I am talking about just know. Mummm is the word. My pocket book and schlong has thanked me. Old age question if you find gems in a cave, do you let your buddies know?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2933627]I'm a little confused about Bunny. I took a girl from Bunny INSIDE Nana Plaza. But this Bunny looks to be on the street outside nana plaza. Are they connected? Different places?[/QUOTE]This is a beer bar on Soi 4. Don't know anything about the go go bar inside Nana Plaza. Sorry.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933741]This is a beer bar on Soi 4. Don't know anything about the go go bar inside Nana Plaza. Sorry.[/QUOTE]There is def a Bunny in Nana plaza. It was new maybe a year ago? Guess it's an outpost of the other one because the logo is the same. Double checked and you can see it in the pics of Nana on Google. Fifth pic in. It would back right up to the exterior Bunny but clearly can't be connected or all the Nana security would be defeated. I enjoyed my time w two chicks in that Bunny and then took one out. She was a wildcat and went to bareback when I struggled to pop one off. Then didn't want me to pay full price because she didn't get me off. A real sweetheart actually.

Since it was mentioned in discussion, for whatever reason, Facebook I keep getting this place " Drink Bar " it seem to be local in the Bangkok area from the video it is a large place for Thais, not sure if advertisement is fake or what but from looking they must have capture all the 10 plus girls working in the country. Sure looks as we have talked but these are real lookers next time Bangkok get away I'm going to try my best to track the place down just to verify.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2933744]There is def a Bunny in Nana plaza. It was new maybe a year ago? Guess it's an outpost of the other one because the logo is the same. Double checked and you can see it in the pics of Nana on Google. Fifth pic in. It would back right up to the exterior Bunny but clearly can't be connected or all the Nana security would be defeated. I enjoyed my time w two chicks in that Bunny and then took one out. She was a wildcat and went to bareback when I struggled to pop one off. Then didn't want me to pay full price because she didn't get me off. A real sweetheart actually.[/QUOTE]The bunny Go-Go in Nana is owned by the same folks that own rainbow.

Hello all,

I will be visiting a friend in Taiwan the first week of September from LA and plan on visiting Bangkok for the first time as well. I plan on staying maybe 1-2 weeks in Thailand before I head back to Taiwan and then subsequently go home. Can you please share with me any and all insight / recommendations for a beginner like me? For example, Captain mentioned in another thread that he recommends Boss Suites on Soi 4, a 4 star hotel. Seems like sticking close to NANA is the way to go? Any other hotel suggestions that are clean and comfortable that is also affordable?

If I needed to get around to let's say a massage parlor or a wanted to check out Soi Cowboy, what is the best cheap / safe means of local transportation?

Have people had good experiences with FIWFANS? Any bad experiences?

Tulip Vs Mango?

Better to exchange currency in USA Or in Thailand and where exactly?

Is 1 week too short or is 2 weeks too long just to monger and explore a little?

Are there even decent activities besides mongering in Bangkok?

These are just a few questions off the top of my head as I write this post.

For slight perspective, I am in my mid thirties and resigned from work this year. I am taking some time off and am traveling solo on a budget. Looking to have fun and expecting to spend / indulge a little but always down to save money where I can. I am into natural looking girls / women with sweet demeanor whether they are bubbly or reserved. And I only speak English.

I will be reading more previous posts from the Thailand threads in the coming weeks. Thank you in advance for any direct insight / knowledge and advise / recommendations.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2933660]Thanks, but I lived in Thailand, off and on, for about 10 years once upon a time. I also know that now, at 50 years of age, both the quantity and quality of civilian girls I get is very different from 20 years ago, and I'm not going to fool myself by pretending otherwise.

Yes, I do still bang girls less than half my age (I'm hoping to bang tomorrow the, I guess around 23-24 years old, waitress that was serving my dinner this evening at one of the marriot hotels), but while 20 years ago I'd take it for granted that we will meet tomorrow (she said it was her day off), or she might even have asked me to meet after her shift was over, today I think my odds of even meeting her again are just 50/50.

On the other hand, in the west that would be just 1/10, if she would even bother to pretend being interested.

20 years ago my hobby was banging 20 year old (and younger, at least one was 19) bar-girls, including go-go bar girls, for free when they had no customers. Today that's not happening.

Anything else that's obvious to you, which you would like to share?[/QUOTE]I am missing your point. Your previous reply was a sarcastic reply implying that girls don't want to be seen with older guys for many reasons. Now you are back peddling and saying that even though you say younger girls don't want older guys, you still date them. May I suggest you to post your rant in the proper section? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Koogler;2933814]Hello all,

I will be visiting a friend in Taiwan the first week of September from LA and plan on visiting Bangkok for the first time as well. I plan on staying maybe 1-2 weeks in Thailand before I head back to Taiwan and then subsequently go home. Can you please share with me any and all insight / recommendations for a beginner like me? For example, Captain mentioned in another thread that he recommends Boss Suites on Soi 4, a 4 star hotel. Seems like sticking close to NANA is the way to go? Any other hotel suggestions that are clean and comfortable that is also affordable?

If I needed to get around to let's say a massage parlor or a wanted to check out Soi Cowboy, what is the best cheap / safe means of local transportation?

Have people had good experiences with FIWFANS? Any bad experiences?

Tulip Vs Mango?

Better to exchange currency in USA Or in Thailand and where exactly?.[/QUOTE][B]If I needed to get around to let's say a massage parlor or a wanted to check out Soi Cowboy, what is the best cheap / safe means of local transportation?[/B]

BTS, then Bolt or Grab.

[B]Have people had good experiences with FIWFANS? Any bad experiences?[/B]

It is hit and miss. If you don't speak Thai, it will be more miss than hit. Thai Friendly freelancers are better for you or find them in Thermal cafe. However, the prices won't be the same. If you want a huge selection of freelancers that speak enough English and aren't scared of foreigners for a decent price, Pattaya is better than Bangkok. I speak Thai and even I have had my share of bad experiences, but the good ones were really good.

[B]Tulip vs Mango[/B]

Tulip. Why not ask this in the proper sections? Check out my Tulip Report from yesterday.

[B]Better to exchange currency in USA Or in Thailand and where exactly? [/B]

Thailand. T. T currency exchange. If you plan to come 3 or more times per year, you can open a Thai bank account as a tourist. Then no need to worry about this. However, you will need the help of an agent. About 5000 baht give or take 500 baht either way.

[B]Is 1 week too short or is 2 weeks too long just to monger and explore a little? [/B]

10 days is perfect. Not too long and not too short.

[B]Are there even decent activities besides mongering in Bangkok?[/B]

1. Shopping.

2. Visiting temples.

3. Enjoying all the great cuisine.

4. Chatting up real local girls in the malls, BTS stations, in RCA, and on Kowsan Rd.

5 Day trips or an overnight to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2933660]Thanks, but I lived in Thailand, off and on, for about 10 years once upon a time. I also know that now, at 50 years of age, both the quantity and quality of civilian girls I get is very different from 20 years ago, and I'm not going to fool myself by pretending otherwise.[/QUOTE]I've been to Thailand 12+ times since 2019. Had two GFs.

I am curious. I think I know the answer. But how have current girls changed and why have they changed from the girls 20 years ago? Economic opportunity?

[QUOTE=Koogler;2933814]Better to exchange currency in USA Or in Thailand and where exactly?[/QUOTE]Open up a bank account with no international fees (or ones that refund it). Many, including myself, recommend a Charles Schwab account for international travel. Just go to any ATM to withdraw money (the random fees get refunded at the end of the month) and you use the card they give you. I've found that the rates are among the best when compared to most money changers, plus it's a lot easier. You don't need to carry around a huge wad of cash and there are usually ATMs close to wherever you stay. Airline ATMs have jacked up rates, just like the money changers so I would recommend only pulling out a small there and then finding an ATM wherever you are staying.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933839][B]If I needed to get around to let's say a massage parlor or a wanted to check out Soi Cowboy, what is the best cheap / safe means of local transportation?[/B]

BTS, then Bolt or Grab.

[B]Have people had good experiences with FIWFANS? Any bad experiences?[/B]

It is hit and miss. If you don't speak Thai, it will be more miss than hit. Thai Friendly freelancers are better for you or find them in Thermal cafe. However, the prices won't be the same. If you want a huge selection of freelancers that speak enough English and aren't scared of foreigners for a decent price, Pattaya is better than Bangkok. I speak Thai and even I have had my share of bad experiences, but the good ones were really good.

[B]Tulip vs Mango[/B]

Tulip. Why not ask this in the proper sections? Check out my Tulip Report from yesterday.

[B]Better to exchange currency in USA Or in Thailand and where exactly? [/B]

Thailand. T. T currency exchange. If you plan to come 3 or more times per year, you can open a Thai bank account as a tourist. Then no need to worry about this. However, you will need the help of an agent. About 5000 baht give or take 500 baht either way.

[B]Is 1 week too short or is 2 weeks too long just to monger and explore a little? [/B]

10 days is perfect. Not too long and not too short.

[B]Are there even decent activities besides mongering in Bangkok?[/B]

1. Shopping.

2. Visiting temples.

3. Enjoying all the great cuisine.

4. Chatting up real local girls in the malls, BTS stations, in RCA, and on Kowsan Rd.

5 Day trips or an overnight to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Visiting temples. It's Propaganda.

When a yoo tuber does Temples their View go down.

Overnight to Pattaya is recommended. But also give serious consideration to a trip to Ayutthiya. It is not far, just 80 km to the north of Bangkok. Suggest you find a guide that has a car, and offer her the opportunity to stay overnight with you at a hotel. Even if she needs a seperate room and does not want any intimate relations, it would be worthwhile. Ideally, find hotel that has free bicycles. It is a great area to just ride around, if bicycles are your thing.

Bangkok. Go visit Lumpini park, go do the floating market, eat spicy papaya salad, mango with sticky rice, explore the amazing shopping malls (Central World), get foot massage, and you get the idea!

If you do go to Pattaya, you might want to just get a private taxi. Taking the bus is also recommended (from Ekamai), but for your first trip a private car is best. There are a few good companies that have good reputation. Cost 1200 to 1500 baht plus tip. Book at least a few days in advance.

There is a seperate section for Bangkok hotels. You should ask your qquestion there, but I could suggest a few places. 1. Park Plaza Soi 18 - short walk to Sukhumvit, yet it's fairly quiet on this soi (don't bother buying their breakfast) 2. Jasmine City hotel, located on Soi 23 just off of Sukhumvit (almost next to Soi Cowboy).

You will enjoy every minute of your trip. Your itinerary is ideal.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2933906]Many, including myself, recommend a Charles Schwab account for international travel. Just go to any ATM to withdraw money (the random fees get refunded at the end of the month) and you use the card they give you.[/QUOTE]My understanding is that every Thai ATM charges 220 b for any size of cash withdrawl on a non Thai card. Are you saying Charles Schwab refund this fee every time?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2933947]My understanding is that every Thai ATM charges 220 b for any size of cash withdrawl on a non Thai card. Are you saying Charles Schwab refund this fee every time?[/QUOTE]Yes, those type of fees, usually relating to using a different bank than the ATM, are reimbursed. But just make sure it's not a "currency conversion fee" which Schwab doesn't rebate. Usually the ATM will prompt you to accept or decline a currency conversion which you should always decline. It's just a random fee that does nothing to change the money you get back except add a fee for the bank to siphon some money. Those more versed in currency exchange can probably explain what it actually is, but the important part is to just decline and continue the conversion (it won't stop you from getting your money in baht). You get the refund at the end of the month so don't expect it right away.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2933960]Yes, those type of fees, usually relating to using a different bank than the ATM, are reimbursed. But just make sure it's not a "currency conversion fee" which Schwab doesn't rebate. Usually the ATM will prompt you to accept or decline a currency conversion which you should always decline. It's just a random fee that does nothing to change the money you get back except add a fee for the bank to siphon some money. Those more versed in currency exchange can probably explain what it actually is, but the important part is to just decline and continue the conversion (it won't stop you from getting your money in baht). You get the refund at the end of the month so don't expect it right away.[/QUOTE]Only 220 fee and Schwab debit card will pay you back at the end of the month. Slight diff as the month goes on if you do multiple withdrawals and as exchange rate changes.

Regarding the recent talk about Bunny at Nana. There is also Bunny 2 and Bunny 3 at Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2933862]I've been to Thailand 12+ times since 2019. Had two GFs.

I am curious. I think I know the answer. But how have current girls changed and why have they changed from the girls 20 years ago? Economic opportunity?[/QUOTE]Certainly economic opportunity has affected the p4p scene, but the changes I speak of are not changes to girls, but to me. Economy does not affect me as far as regular girls are concerned simply because I never pay them anything, neither then nor now.

The change for me is that girls that would be easy to chat up and get to bed 20 years ago, when I was still young, fit, and handsome (ok, not all that handsome to be honest), I'm now fighting an uphill battle to get.

Before I would just smile and say Hi, and they'd already be interested, if not necessarily bending over there and then while standing in line at the 7-11. We'd continue talking in pidgin english / thai, and except if she really had a BF, 9/10 times we'd exchange line info, and probably half of those times we'd end up meeting again for noodles, and most of those times, we'd end up in bed afterwards. It was so easy that unless a girl had a genuine reason for not going back to my place then, I'd not even bother to invite them out again to "seal the deal", even if they wanted me to.

If I do the same now to the same hot looking 20-25 year regular girl, I will usually not get anything more than a polite Hi back, and it will be an uphill battle to get her interested.

Some examples:

- On the MRT going back from a fiwfan girl the other day (a mrt station five hops off from Sukhumvit, so not the most farang populated area) there was a really beautiful student girl spending several minutes looking at her reflection in the barriers they have on the subway stations here, while fixing her really long beautiful hair.

It was rather beautiful to watch her getting it all nice and tidy and in place. I walked up to her, said Hi, made a joke. She said a polite Hi back, but in her attitude I could see there wasn't much interest, and I would be fighting uphill to even get her line-info.

- Similar thing day before yesterday. I was on BTS Asoke and was taking the train just one station (it was raining). Noticed a pretty girl next to me also waiting on the train, chatted for half a minute before the train arrived, and another half minute in the train, before I asked her if she wanted to exchange line info, as I was getting of at the next station and that was all the time I had. She was not interested. I'm thinking with a couple of more minutes, maybe she'd get interested enough (I could see the signs), but 20 years ago, I wouldn't need those extra minutes.

Now, things are not hopeless. E. g. , I recently met a 22 yo TF girl at terminal 21 near closing time. She was there because she was bored, and I was walking past terminal 21 on my way back after gym and dinner. We had been chatting a bit back and forth that evening. She wasn't all that interested in meeting me it sounded like on chat, but since I was walking past anyway, I said I'd come meet her there after exchanging line-info (whatsapp-like app, but better).

When I arrived I messaged her and she said she was in the bathroom on third floor, so I waited nearby, and we met. I turned on the little charm I have, then just started walking out terminal 21 (it was close to 10, so closing). We ended up walking for 25 minutes all the way to my place, interrupted by the occasional "where are we going", "hahaha, I don't understand why I am walking with you now", "it's so far".

She spent the night, and the next day I took her to lunch (I work more or less full-time while here), just because I'm a polite guy.

But this girl was I guess a 6/10 (just for reference I'd rate the average bar-girl I see here in Bangkok as 2/10 or something like that), and bored. I just happened to be there at the right time. 20 years ago, she'd be an 8/10, with plenty of both young thai guys and old farangs (like me now) pestering her for dates. 20 years ago, it'd be that really pretty student girl doing her hair on the MRT station, or the somewhat less pretty (7. 5/10?) girl on the BTS.

So: yes, it's a lot easier to date "young pretty things" here in Thailand than in the west, but anyone thinking it does not matter if you're the age of her dad / grandad, or someone from the same generation as herself is fooling himself. It matters. Just it matters less than in the west.
I still have opportunities and I still bang girls half my age, but the opportunities are fewer, and I have to work much harder at them.

Well, this turned into a rather long-winded and probably boring story. My apologies.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934038]Certainly economic opportunity has affected the p4p scene, but the changes I speak of are not changes to girls, but to me. Economy does not affect me as far as regular girls are concerned simply because I never pay them anything, neither then nor now.

The change for me is that girls that would be easy to chat up and get to bed 20 years ago, when I was still young, fit, and handsome (ok, not all that handsome to be honest), I'm now fighting an uphill battle to get.

Before I would just smile and say Hi, and they'd already be interested, if not necessarily bending over there and then while standing in line at the 7-11. We'd continue talking in pidgin english / thai, and except if she really had a BF, 9/10 times we'd exchange line info, and probably half of those times we'd end up meeting again for noodles, and most of those times, we'd end up in bed afterwards. It was so easy that unless a girl had a genuine reason for not going back to my place then, I'd not even bother to invite them out again to "seal the deal", even if they wanted me to.

If I do the same now to the same hot looking 20-25 year regular girl, I will usually not get anything more than a polite Hi back, and it will be an uphill battle to get her interested.

Some examples:

- On the MRT going back from a fiwfan girl the other day (a mrt station five hops off from Sukhumvit, so not the most farang populated area) there was a really beautiful student girl spending several minutes looking at her reflection in the barriers they have on the subway stations here, while fixing her really long beautiful hair.

It was rather beautiful to watch her getting it all nice and tidy and in place. I walked up to her, said Hi, made a joke. She said a polite Hi back, but in her attitude I could see there wasn't much interest, and I would be fighting uphill to even get her line-info.

- Similar thing day before yesterday. I was on BTS Asoke and was taking the train just one station (it was raining). Noticed a pretty girl next to me also waiting on the train, chatted for half a minute before the train arrived, and another half minute in the train, before I asked her if she wanted to exchange line info, as I was getting of at the next station and that was all the time I had. She was not interested. I'm thinking with a couple of more minutes, maybe she'd get interested enough (I could see the signs), but 20 years ago, I wouldn't need those extra minutes.

Now, things are not hopeless. E. g. , I recently met a 22 yo TF girl at terminal 21 near closing time. She was there because she was bored, and I was walking past terminal 21 on my way back after gym and dinner. We had been chatting a bit back and forth that evening. She wasn't all that interested in meeting me it sounded like on chat, but since I was walking past anyway, I said I'd come meet her there after exchanging line-info (whatsapp-like app, but better).

When I arrived I messaged her and she said she was in the bathroom on third floor, so I waited nearby, and we met. I turned on the little charm I have, then just started walking out terminal 21 (it was close to 10, so closing). We ended up walking for 25 minutes all the way to my place, interrupted by the occasional "where are we going", "hahaha, I don't understand why I am walking with you now", "it's so far".

She spent the night, and the next day I took her to lunch (I work more or less full-time while here), just because I'm a polite guy.

But this girl was I guess a 6/10 (just for reference I'd rate the average bar-girl I see here in Bangkok as 2/10 or something like that), and bored. I just happened to be there at the right time. 20 years ago, she'd be an 8/10, with plenty of both young thai guys and old farangs (like me now) pestering her for dates. 20 years ago, it'd be that really pretty student girl doing her hair on the MRT station, or the somewhat less pretty (7. 5/10?) girl on the BTS.

So: yes, it's a lot easier to date "young pretty things" here in Thailand than in the west, but anyone thinking it does not matter if you're the age of her dad / grandad, or someone from the same generation as herself is fooling himself. It matters. Just it matters less than in the west.
I still have opportunities and I still bang girls half my age, but the opportunities are fewer, and I have to work much harder at them.

Well, this turned into a rather long-winded and probably boring story. My apologies.[/QUOTE]No need to apologize and thanks a ton for taking the time to write about your experience.

I've been to 42 countries. The first time I visited BKK I was shocked at the quantity of beautiful girls. Tokyo, Florence, Sao Paulo, Mexico City, Phnom Peng* and HK don't come close.

*The upper echelon of PP girls is staggering. Educated and stylish.

I've only engaged working girls in Thailand but have always been intrigued by civvies. I'll be in Phuket next month so will definitely try to approach the civvie in a mall, 7 Eleven, restaurant.

[QUOTE=TConor;2933988]Only 220 fee and Schwab debit card will pay you back at the end of the month. Slight diff as the month goes on if you do multiple withdrawals and as exchange rate changes.[/QUOTE]Fidelity refunds the 220 baht fee same as Schwab. A friend has his IRA with Chase and he tells me that his Chase card does the same thing, but I've never seen a financial statement to verify. There might be minimum deposits required to get this benefit.

Using the Fidelity card at Thai ATMs gives a very good exchange rate, better than the best cash exchange place that I've ever seen.

[QUOTE=Koogler;2933814]
Have people had good experiences with FIWFANS? Any bad experiences?
[/QUOTE]Well, yesterday was pretty bad. That is to say, it was not good.

After showering together and the girl being nice and friendly, she started to write some messages on her phone. Shortly after that she informed me I had to change girls, as I was too big, and then did the comparison between her forearm and my dick that thai girls so much like to to do to stroke our egos. Now, I'd be flattered if that was true, and this girl was no tiny girl either (around 160 cm), but I have never ever been rejected for being too big. Too smelly, too ugly, too devoid of charm, maybe? But too big? No. Ok, I tried to convince her to give it a go (she was pretty, and we were both there naked), but no, she did not want to.

Silliest thing of all was that her agent sent me a message indicating I had to pay the girl 500 because she had already taken off her clothes. The girl pointed at her phone and presumably the same message from her handler. I was not sure if I should laugh or get pissed, but ended up just getting slightly annoyed.

Now, with fiwfans girls the rule is that you pay first, and that's just the way it is and I don't think there's anything you can do about that, so for some seconds I was wondering if we were going to have a problem here. I however just told her I don't care about that message, and to give me my 1500 baht back while I started getting dressed. She messaged some more with her handler, but I just repeated, 1500. So she gave me my money back as I was tying my shoelaces.

Spent 10 minutes downstairs in the hotel lobby to find another girl at a hotel a 10 minute walk away with the fiwfans app, booked an appointment for 20 minutes later, and off I went.

Wrote a review (those interested can contact me for my fiwfans name if interested), but that was of course deleted.

Now in honesty, I don't think this was a scam attempt. Girl was friendly and joking the whole time, and seemed to honestly think my dick was for some reason too big. Nonsense of course, and I am sure there would not have been any problem if she had just been willing to try (I'm not exactly John Holmes), but there it was.

Another funny story our american brother can add to his list of why not to use fiwfans I guess. ;-)

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[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2934072]Listen. This website is for Thai customers. If you want ladies that are ok with foreigners, you can't get them easily at these prices that are on fiw fans. You decided to play in the pool with the Thai so deal with it. You can't speak Thai and you expect them to be ok with foreigners. You should have paid the 500. Are you that poor you can't afford it? Come on man. Go to Sukhumvit or TF. Better for you. Sorry to say but no Thai man cares about a stupid review from a foreigner. Why even write one. You got all your money back. Stay away from Fiw Fans dude. Ruin it for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]I have been preaching against FiwFans for foreigners except in certain circumstances for ages here.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2934112]I have been preaching against FiwFans for foreigners except in certain circumstances for ages here.[/QUOTE]Indeed you have, but as said, imo it provides an interesting alternative experience, as long as one's expectations are not too high. Get to see parts of Bangkok I'd normally not venture to either, so there's a bit of sightseeing involved there too.

In I think now probably close to 50 experiences, I can't really say I've had more than three, the one yesterday included, that I'd rate as downright bad. The girls, personality wise, are much more to my liking, than bargirls. More next-door type and not as jaded, mercurial, and downright annoying as the bargirls us farangs normally meet. Perhaps I was even the first farang to (try to) fuck the girl yesterday, and that's why she thought my rather average dick was so huge? The girl I met half an hour later that same day said most of her customers were Koreans and Chinese, and she almost never saw farang. She didn't have any problems with me though, and indeed, I've never had that kind of problem with any other girl.

Mostly the issue with fiwfans is the incessant photoshopping to make a very plain girl look like a hot babe, and I can understand why many would not want to waste time on fiwfans because of that. But sometimes the one opening the door is indeed a babe.

Anyway, to each his own, and I'm not really recommending fiwfans to anyone, especially not to people who are just here for a short time, They would probably be better of at places like Maria, Black Caviar, Lalisa, etc. , rather than trawl through fiwfans for the somewhat rare gem. I've started to become better at reading reviews though, so I have fewer fuglies now than before. If fiwfans had dropped the photoshopping, it'd be the greatest thing.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934046]No need to apologize and thanks a ton for taking the time to write about your experience.
I've only engaged working girls in Thailand but have always been intrigued by civvies. I'll be in Phuket next month so will definitely try to approach the civvie in a mall, 7 Eleven, restaurant.[/QUOTE]Absolutely you should go for it. And if there's one tip I'd give for approaching Thai girls it's to smile. Smile like your mad uncle Elmer. They call it (still?) Land of Smiles, and I'd say that's the one most important thing to do when approaching a Thai: s-m-i-l-e.

Went to Mixx for the first time yesterday and stayed from 1-4 am. Entry (250 with 1 free drink).

Hardly any Russian / Caucasian lady. Slightly above average girls with just 1-2 good ones who think they deserve 5 k for ST. You can find better talent in Thermae.

Got off work early yesterday and planned to check out Snow White on Soi 24/1. Arrived at 1:30 PM and the line up was terrible. Only 6 ladies and all were 40++++ or fat. One might compare it with Tulip. However, Tulip massage had their full 20+++ lady lineup when I was last in and the ladies that were decent were all better than the ones at Snow White this day. Therefore, I passed.

Contemplating where to go next, I decided to make a return to Soi 24 and checked out the shops there. Namely Mango. Now, this lineup on this day had about 6 ladies. Out of the 6, 3 were really nice. Seemed to be in mid to late 20's. However, my BBFSCIP spider sense was not going off so I again passed.

Now off to Bunny Bar on Soi 4 I went. My plan was to drink there until 5 PM and then go to the Soi 7 beer bars to hunt for Farm Fresh girls.

When I arrived in Soi 7 at 5:30 PM yesterday, the place was full of young girls. Stopped immediately at one bar on the outside corner of the complex and soi 7 to drink with a busty lady, 27 year old. We chatted a bit over beers. Her tits were spectacular. However, my BBFSCIP spider sense was not going off again. So, I went on a bathroom break to regroup. On my bathroom / scout mission, I was coaxed by two young girls, I just took notice and headed to the bathroom. Then back to the original bar, paid my bill and went off to the two girls. One was 21 and the other was 22. Bought them both a drink and then chose the one I liked. Small body, big natural tits, and a nice ass. My BBFSCIP spider sense was going off like crazy. We chatted for a bit and I bought her 6 shots of tequila and then asked about bar fine. At first she said "no cannot". Then I said hmmm, sounds like she does not understand my Thai or English so well. I just said again in Thai "let's go" ST 4000 Baht. She immediately said "yes" My thinking was she thought I wanted LT. Must be a Thai boyfriend in the mixx.

Anyways, so off we went to the ST room on Soi 7/1. For 300 Baht the room was quite nice. Modern shower, clean, nice decor, and a big large bed. I will remember this as a good ST room choice for girls I pick up in Nana. The Nana ST rooms are awful.

Then a nice shower and onto the bed. I started by eating her pussy while playing with her big natural tits. She was moaning quite loudly and then I stuck a finger inside and started to finger bang her while eating her pussy. She loved it and said to me in Thai " Fuck me now!" Who am I to disappoint?

I moved my body up to start in mish and she felt so good. My BFSCIP spidy sense is never wrong and so far so good with this one. The next 30 minutes was pure sexual bliss. From Mish to cowgirl to doggy. Now, I felt an explosion was coming so I flipped her back over into mish and powered on. It is here where I hoped I would hear those immortal words "cum inside me" Alas it did not happen. However, in my mind in did LOL. I think I blew the biggest load deep inside her pussy. Her pussy was so nice. It seemed to welcome my load with pleasure. It was like it was sucking all the jizz out of me. I tried to pull out and she grabbed my ass and pushed me into her. Making sure all my cum was inside her. Love it!

Quick shower, exchanged contacts and off we went.

FF Hunting is great. She says she worked for 8 months and never went with a customer before. Ha ha If you believe that one, then well, you know the rest. So in essence, she was a good FF find. In reality, I am sure she has been fucked 100 times over by foreigners. However, her mind about sex was the same as FF. No mention of condoms, not even any hesitation about me putting it in raw. Full on GFE action, which is what you get from FF.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934144]Absolutely you should go for it. And if there's one tip I'd give for approaching Thai girls it's to smile. Smile like your mad uncle Elmer. They call it (still?) Land of Smiles, and I'd say that's the one most important thing to do when approaching a Thai: s-m-i-l-e.[/QUOTE]Duly noted!

I will smile like there's no tomorrow!

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934055]Well, yesterday was pretty bad. That is to say, it was not good.

After showering together and the girl being nice and friendly, she started to write some messages on her phone. Shortly after that she informed me I had to change girls, as I was too big, and then did the comparison between her forearm and my dick that thai girls so much like to to do to stroke our egos. Now, I'd be flattered if that was true, and this girl was no tiny girl either (around 160 cm), but I have never ever been rejected for being too big. Too smelly, too ugly, too devoid of charm, maybe? But too big? No. Ok, I tried to convince her to give it a go (she was pretty, and we were both there naked), but no, she did not want to.

Silliest thing of all was that her agent sent me a message indicating I had to pay the girl 500 because she had already taken off her clothes. The girl pointed at her phone and presumably the same message from her handler. I was not sure if I should laugh or get pissed, but ended up just getting slightly annoyed.

Now, with fiwfans girls the rule is that you pay first, and that's just the way it is and I don't think there's anything you can do about that, so for some seconds I was wondering if we were going to have a problem here. I however just told her I don't care about that message, and to give me my 1500 baht back while I started getting dressed. She messaged some more with her handler, but I just repeated, 1500. So she gave me my money back as I was tying my shoelaces.

Spent 10 minutes downstairs in the hotel lobby to find another girl at a hotel a 10 minute walk away with the fiwfans app, booked an appointment for 20 minutes later, and off I went.

Wrote a review (those interested can contact me for my fiwfans name if interested), but that was of course deleted.

Now in honesty, I don't think this was a scam attempt. Girl was friendly and joking the whole time, and seemed to honestly think my dick was for some reason too big. Nonsense of course, and I am sure there would not have been any problem if she had just been willing to try (I'm not exactly John Holmes), but there it was.

Another funny story our american brother can add to his list of why not to use fiwfans I guess. ;-)[/QUOTE]Ok I will reword my comment. I apologize as I was drunk at the time at Bunny bar on Soi 4 while waiting to go to Soi 7 and I was talking too straight I guess for you.

This website is for Thai customers. If you want ladies that are ok with foreigners, you can't get them easily at these prices on fiw fans. Please consider that Fiw Fans is mainly for Thai people. If you can't speak Thai and you have a big dick, expect some issues 100%. About the 500 Baht request, In my opinion, you should have paid it, as its a very small amount of money. It shows that you are a good guy and maybe the admin booker would have hooked you up next time with another girl or maybe even helped you more with this one to salvage a session out of it.

However, please remember, I gave you my answer on Fiw Fans before, but you still tried knowing what your issues might be. The key to your encounter going sour was 1 million percent your lack of Thai language. If you spoke Thai you would have been able to reason with the girl in Thai and had your session with her. For your second session, that obviously was not good as well most likely due to your language issues and the girl having little to no experience with foreigners. About your review, no Thai man will read it or care about it, so it was a complete waste of your time. That review was actually about your encounter after the first one. You said it was deleted so I guess that session had issues as well. Better use TF and Thermae in Bangkok if you want freelancers. However, the pricing won't be the same as Fiw Fans. That pricing however is available in Pattaya and those FLs can speak enough English and most won't care about your dick size, but if they do, it might mean paying a little extra.

Was walking down Soi Cowboy last night about 10 PM. As I was going past Midnite go-go bar, a girl from the line of girls standing in front of it came me and grabbed my arm, saying "Come take a look inside". I said to her "Arab bar". She immediately let go of my arm and returned to where the other girls were. Seems if they see you know the reputation of "Arab bars" they will just give up and let you go. Never tried that before but will use it again if necessary.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2934256]Anyways, so off we went to the ST room on Soi 7/1. For 300 Baht the room was quite nice. Modern shower, clean, nice decor, and a big large bed. I will remember this as a good ST room choice for girls I pick up in Nana. The Nana ST rooms are awful.[/QUOTE]Can you give a better description of the hotel or location or maybe its name? Because I'm also interested in some alternative to those in that Soi 4 dead end alley.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2934326]Was walking down Soi Cowboy last night about 10 PM. As I was going past Midnite go-go bar, a girl from the line of girls standing in front of it came me and grabbed my arm, saying "Come take a look inside". I said to her "Arab bar". She immediately let go of my arm and returned to where the other girls were. Seems if they see you know the reputation of "Arab bars" they will just give up and let you go. Never tried that before but will use it again if necessary.[/QUOTE]What's the reputation of Arab Bars?

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2934335]Can you give a better description of the hotel or location or maybe its name? Because I'm also interested in some alternative to those in that Soi 4 dead end alley.[/QUOTE]I've used the Atlas on occasion for short time exercise routines with new friends I met in the area. Some friends from Soi 4, some from the famous and much lamented Beer Garden.

Your new friend should be able to give you guidance on locations.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934340]What's the reputation of Arab Bars?[/QUOTE]Plenty of information available in the search function of this site for those who seek it.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2934335]Can you give a better description of the hotel or location or maybe its name? Because I'm also interested in some alternative to those in that Soi 4 dead end alley.[/QUOTE]Take a walk over there, loads of short time rooms down there.

[QUOTE=Pubgg;2934182]Went to Mixx for the first time yesterday and stayed from 1-4 am. Entry (250 with 1 free drink).

Hardly any Russian / Caucasian lady. Slightly above average girls with just 1-2 good ones who think they deserve 5 k for ST. You can find better talent in Thermae.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your report and taking one for the team. I owe you a beer.

This is the type of report I love, just the facts, no philosophy.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2934335]Can you give a better description of the hotel or location or maybe its name? Because I'm also interested in some alternative to those in that Soi 4 dead end alley.[/QUOTE]I was drunk so I can't remember the name. Its the first hotel on the left when you walk down Soi 7/1. The entrance is not right on the Soi, you need to turn left and walk up to the entrance. There is a large space for motorcycles to park in-front of the door.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934340]What's the reputation of Arab Bars?[/QUOTE]Rip off Bars. See recent post by Allover naming them.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2934289]Ok I will reword my comment. I apologize as I was drunk at the time at Bunny bar on Soi 4 while waiting to go to Soi 7 and I was talking too straight I guess for you.

This website is for Thai customers. If you want ladies that are ok with foreigners, you can't get them easily at these prices on fiw fans. Please consider that Fiw Fans is mainly for Thai people. If you can't speak Thai and you have a big dick, expect some issues 100%. About the 500 Baht request, In my opinion, you should have paid it, as its a very small amount of money. It shows that you are a good guy and maybe the admin booker would have hooked you up next time with another girl or maybe even helped you more with this one to salvage a session out of it.

However, please remember, I gave you my answer on Fiw Fans before, but you still tried knowing what your issues might be. The key to your encounter going sour was 1 million percent your lack of Thai language. If you spoke Thai you would have been able to reason with the girl in Thai and had your session with her. For your second session, that obviously was not good as well most likely due to your language issues and the girl having little to no experience with foreigners. About your review, no Thai man will read it or care about it, so it was a complete waste of your time. That review was actually about your encounter after the first one. You said it was deleted so I guess that session had issues as well. Better use TF and Thermae in Bangkok if you want freelancers. However, the pricing won't be the same as Fiw Fans. That pricing however is available in Pattaya and those FLs can speak enough English and most won't care about your dick size, but if they do, it might mean paying a little extra.[/QUOTE]Too straight for me? It was not I who complained or deleted whatever you said, but perhaps you should have taken the hint when the admin deleted it as nonse, rather than presumably trying to repost the same now in a different format.
Also, I can't remember you giving me any answer, and have no idea what the question would be. I can't see any reason to ask you really, as you don't seem to be all that clued in about fiwfans, in all honesty.

In 50 fiwfans encounters that is the only time "big dick" was an issue. The "big dick" girl did not speak a word of English so the whole conversation, what little there was, was in Thai. There was no reasoning with her. I made a few attempts to say it would not be a problem, we'd go slow and easy, blah-blah, but I'm hardly going to spend half an hour begging her to let me fuck her.

Also, in those 50 encounters, I've not met one girl who were not ok with me as a foreigner. Surprised? Yes, sometimes. Not ok? Never. This girl was also fine in the beginning (I liked her, and we joked around), but I'm guessing I was the first average sized western dick she'd seen, and she kind of freaked out a bit or something. Being foreigner was not an issue. Language barrier was not an issue.

I'm not sure what you would know about what a Thai man will read or care about either.

Unfortunately in addition to heavily photoshopping all girls, fiwfans does not want honest reviews either. That's why all reviews we see are beating around the Bush in order to avoid being deleted. Basically anything less than 10/10 in the various categories is a warning sign. I however do try to give a somewhat honest review (some of my reviews get posted, some deleted), and maybe it can help someone, thai or farang.

Your whole post makes me wonder if you have even used fiwfans, as in 50 visits, until this one, I've never had any of the issues you say I should 100% expect.

And paying her 500 baht for the privilege of seeing her naked before getting kicked out? I suggest you look up the difference between "yai dee" and "kwai". Foreigners competing with other foreigners here about who can become the "most thai" often mistake the first for the second during their efforts.

I don't care but I will speak up for those that are afraid to.

Soi 7. 4,000. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha.

There's good reason why it's always empty.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2934289]. However, the pricing won't be the same as Fiw Fans. That pricing however is available in Pattaya and those FLs can speak enough English and most won't care about your dick size, but if they do, it might mean paying a little extra.[/QUOTE]To add to the above: those of use who use fiwfans will have seen that many fiwfans profiles have a line saying "big dick" will have to pay extra. I won't flatter myself by saying that "yeah, I've had to pay that charge every time", as the sad fact is that nobody has ever asked me for it. :

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2934326]Was walking down Soi Cowboy last night about 10 PM. As I was going past Midnite go-go bar, a girl from the line of girls standing in front of it came me and grabbed my arm, saying "Come take a look inside". I said to her "Arab bar". She immediately let go of my arm and returned to where the other girls were. Seems if they see you know the reputation of "Arab bars" they will just give up and let you go. Never tried that before but will use it again if necessary.[/QUOTE]LOL, that's funny. But yeah, stay away from those bars. They had a bad reputation in 2007 or 2008 already, which was the first time I went to Soi Cowboy, armed with a list of the bars to avoid.

The list from Allover was this: '"Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Spice Girls are owned by the "Arab". These are located on Soi Cowboy. ".

Headed to Thailand for a vacation in the fall with the wifey--no way I could get a pass without her like in the old days.

We have a few days in Bangkok and are staying at the Waldorf Astoria (not my choice) and was wondering if anyone could provide advice for sneaking away for an hour? Ideally, I'd like to hit a nearby massage parlor while she is at the spa or shopping. I know Nana is close by taxi but I fear I'll get stuck in traffic and be late and then I'm screwed! Do you guys know of any massage parlors (during the day) that are walking distance and that provide extras? Or even a hotel spa that looks legit but provides extras?

Same question for Phuket (except a short taxi ride). Staying at Banyan Tree which is almost an hour by taxi to walking street.

TIA!

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2934357]I've used the Atlas on occasion for short time exercise routines with new friends I met in the area.[/QUOTE]That's probably the one mr Everything was talking about. It's a regular hotel with acceptable rooms offering some rooms for short time also, I've used it many times in the paste.

[QUOTE=DarrenCohen34;2934572]Headed to Thailand for a vacation in the fall with the wifey--no way I could get a pass without her like in the old days.

We have a few days in Bangkok and are staying at the Waldorf Astoria (not my choice) and was wondering if anyone could provide advice for sneaking away for an hour? Ideally, I'd like to hit a nearby massage parlor while she is at the spa or shopping. I know Nana is close by taxi but I fear I'll get stuck in traffic and be late and then I'm screwed! Do you guys know of any massage parlors (during the day) that are walking distance and that provide extras? Or even a hotel spa that looks legit but provides extras?

Same question for Phuket (except a short taxi ride). Staying at Banyan Tree which is almost an hour by taxi to walking street.

TIA![/QUOTE]Mix a bit of canal water in her soup. That will keep her down for a few days.

Why not hit up mango massage or one of the other massage shops right next to it? If you're at the Waldorf you're right next to the Chit Lom BTS stop so take it 3 stops to Phrom Phong. The massage shops are a 1 minute walk from the exit. Bang a girl and be out within the hour and then walk over to the Emquartier mall to freshen up in the restrooms and make sure there's no evidence (lipstick, etc) and then head back. Let the wife know you're going up to look in the mall and she won't know any different.

[QUOTE=DarrenCohen34;2934572]Headed to Thailand for a vacation in the fall with the wifey--no way I could get a pass without her like in the old days.

We have a few days in Bangkok and are staying at the Waldorf Astoria (not my choice) and was wondering if anyone could provide advice for sneaking away for an hour? Ideally, I'd like to hit a nearby massage parlor while she is at the spa or shopping. I know Nana is close by taxi but I fear I'll get stuck in traffic and be late and then I'm screwed! Do you guys know of any massage parlors (during the day) that are walking distance and that provide extras? Or even a hotel spa that looks legit but provides extras?

Same question for Phuket (except a short taxi ride). Staying at Banyan Tree which is almost an hour by taxi to walking street.

TIA![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DarrenCohen34;2934572]Headed to Thailand for a vacation in the fall with the wifey--

We have a few days in Bangkok and are staying at the Waldorf Astoria (not my choice) and was wondering if anyone could provide advice for sneaking away for an hour? Ideally, I'd like to hit a nearby massage parlor while she is at the spa or shopping.[/QUOTE]Waldorf Astoria is a great location for her shopping, not great for you to slip away briefly. I've stayed in that area a few nights and I don't remember seeing anything that looked like a sex shop. But I've had sex in some massage places that look like nothing would be available. If you go that route, suggest you look for a small shop on a side Soi. A few months ago I went for a “no extras” massage at a seeming appropriate shop and the massage girl gave lots of teasing and then she said “In Thailand, we massage everything.” I ended up with BBFS.

Your hotel is close to a BTS station that will quickly take you to either Nana or Soi 24 massage areas. If you have 2 or 2.5 hours of daytime freedom, you could make a round trip to a cluster of sex massage shops just off Sukhumvit Soi 24. Find Mango massage spa on the map and just walk around that immediate area and you will see about a dozen massage shops that will take care of you.

The BTS trains move quickly and smoothly, but during rush hour, sometimes the trains are full and you need to wait for the next one.

[QUOTE=DarrenCohen34;2934572]Headed to Thailand for a vacation in the fall with the wifey--no way I could get a pass without her like in the old days.

We have a few days in Bangkok and are staying at the Waldorf Astoria (not my choice) and was wondering if anyone could provide advice for sneaking away for an hour? Ideally, I'd like to hit a nearby massage parlor while she is at the spa or shopping. I know Nana is close by taxi but I fear I'll get stuck in traffic and be late and then I'm screwed! Do you guys know of any massage parlors (during the day) that are walking distance and that provide extras? Or even a hotel spa that looks legit but provides extras?

Same question for Phuket (except a short taxi ride). Staying at Banyan Tree which is almost an hour by taxi to walking street.

TIA![/QUOTE]I really don't know the exact name of this place (near or in Exchange Tower -Asok BTS) but 2 to 2 . 5 hour specials, body scrub, facials, massage, etc for far less than $100 which would run several hundreds in the States. Do your research, offer the treatment as a gift and a 1 time experience she should not pass up. Offer to go with her to find the place. Then you are one BTS stop from plenty of places on Soi 24 or waling distance from Soi 22. Tell her you'll meet her back at her spa when she's finished. You tell her you will be looking around Terminal 21 and doing a foot massage or a regular massage to kill time while she is in heaven. Be sure to compliment her on her new younger looking complexion from the facial. That way you can run the scam again in Phuket. 555.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2934358]Plenty of information available in the search function of this site for those who seek it.[/QUOTE]And plenty of cool people on this forum who will answer questions. Keep trying.

[QUOTE=DarrenCohen34;2934572]Headed to Thailand for a vacation in the fall with the wifey--no way I could get a pass without her like in the old days.

We have a few days in Bangkok and are staying at the Waldorf Astoria (not my choice) and was wondering if anyone could provide advice for sneaking away for an hour? Ideally, I'd like to hit a nearby massage parlor while she is at the spa or shopping. I know Nana is close by taxi but I fear I'll get stuck in traffic and be late and then I'm screwed! Do you guys know of any massage parlors (during the day) that are walking distance and that provide extras? Or even a hotel spa that looks legit but provides extras?

Same question for Phuket (except a short taxi ride). Staying at Banyan Tree which is almost an hour by taxi to walking street.[/QUOTE]Plenty of options given by others. I was in the same situation and I paid a visit to Mango. They have the 30 min (or 45) options. You can take 2 x 30 minutes with 2 diff chicks.

For Phuket, if you are in the Banyan Tree Laguna, take a bolt / taxi to this area: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/svi4rJJAZpwSaDre7?g_st=ic[/URL]

All other spa in the Boat Avenue are legit no extra ones. Great for regular massage though. Got a very cute young thing at the PJ but when I offered money she refused LOL.

[QUOTE=TConor;2934728]I really don't know the exact name of this place (near or in Exchange Tower -Asok BTS) but 2 to 2 . 5 hour specials, body scrub, facials, massage, etc for far less than $100 which would run several hundreds in the States. Do your research, offer the treatment as a gift and a 1 time experience she should not pass up. Offer to go with her to find the place. Then you are one BTS stop from plenty of places on Soi 24 or waling distance from Soi 22. Tell her you'll meet her back at her spa when she's finished. You tell her you will be looking around Terminal 21 and doing a foot massage or a regular massage to kill time while she is in heaven. Be sure to compliment her on her new younger looking complexion from the facial. That way you can run the scam again in Phuket. 555.[/QUOTE]LOL. What a great idea.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934784]LOL. What a great idea.[/QUOTE]+1 Tconor brilliant idea. Just make sure to not lay it on too thick. Wives have radar for when you break the pattern and are too nice to them! Seriously. Make sure not to play too far out of character to pull this off.

[QUOTE=TConor;2934728]I really don't know the exact name of this place (near or in Exchange Tower -Asok BTS) but 2 to 2 . 5 hour specials, body scrub, facials, massage, etc for far less than $100 which would run several hundreds in the States. Do your research, offer the treatment as a gift and a 1 time experience she should not pass up. Offer to go with her to find the place. Then you are one BTS stop from plenty of places on Soi 24 or waling distance from Soi 22. Tell her you'll meet her back at her spa when she's finished. You tell her you will be looking around Terminal 21 and doing a foot massage or a regular massage to kill time while she is in heaven. Be sure to compliment her on her new younger looking complexion from the facial. That way you can run the scam again in Phuket. 555.[/QUOTE]That is a great idea if you are in your 20's, 30's, and maybe 40's and routinely pull off a couple of pops in an hour or two.

I say that because I have gifted wives and girlfriends to that kind of treatment. And as soon as they are finished they are filled with so much gratitude, appreciation and horniness, they want to take their new young look and all that hands-on manipulation for a spin and a romp in the sack like never before to see the amazing effect it has on me.

And in this case, there will be the added deep romance and high adventure of foreign travel and a lovely hotel room. So she might expect a new level of sexual intensity this particular time around.

Consequently, at my age 71, I might be a tad reluctant to tee her up for that mood and inspiration within minutes of getting my balls drained by a 25 year old at a nearby Happy Ending Shop.

Just sayin'. As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2934755]Plenty of options given by others. I was in the same situation and I paid a visit to Mango. They have the 30 min (or 45) options. You can take 2 x 30 minutes with 2 diff chicks.

For Phuket, if you are in the Banyan Tree Laguna, take a bolt / taxi to this area: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/svi4rJJAZpwSaDre7?g_st=ic[/URL]

All other spa in the Boat Avenue are legit no extra ones. Great for regular massage though. Got a very cute young thing at the PJ but when I offered money she refused LOL.[/QUOTE]THANK YOU! This is exactly the type of info I needed for Phuket. Only a few minutes away--maybe I can rent a scooter in the afternoon and hit one of the 3 places. Heavenly, Orchid, Coconut massage parlors.

In BKK, I think I'll try to get to Mango. If I don't have enough time, I found Chao9 Massage at The Grand that may have provide handys.

And thanks to everyone else who responded to my post--really appreciated!

P.S.--I don't know why its so exciting to me to get a handy or quickie while on this trip as I can get that at home. But I feel I cannot go all the way to Thailand and not try! What I really want to do is hit Nana or Soi Cowboy for the night but unless the wifey is in a coma, I don't know how to make that happen. I'm trying to arrange a 2-4 hour spa experience for her but it'll likely be during the day. Other than that, I'm sure she'll want to shop so a place near or in a shopping mall might work too but they all appear legit!

Seeing a Bargirl while a wife is shopping is just a Waste of Time.

It's take effort to find the Right Hooker. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934836]That is a great idea if you are in your 20's, 30's, and maybe 40's and routinely pull off a couple of pops in an hour or two.[/QUOTE]Ah, the rules of unintended consequences. Who can ever account for the female mind.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934836]That is a great idea if you are in your 20's, 30's, and maybe 40's and routinely pull off a couple of pops in an hour or two.

I say that because I have gifted wives and girlfriends to that kind of treatment. And as soon as they are finished they are filled with so much gratitude, appreciation and horniness, they want to take their new young look and all that hands-on manipulation for a spin and a romp in the sack like never before to see the amazing effect it has on me.

And in this case, there will be the added deep romance and high adventure of foreign travel and a lovely hotel room. So she might expect a new level of sexual intensity this particular time around.

Consequently, at my age 71, I might be a tad reluctant to tee her up for that mood and inspiration within minutes of getting my balls drained by a 25 year old at a nearby Happy Ending Shop.

Just sayin'. As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]Old saying.

I may not be as good as I once was, but I am just as good once as I ever was.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934836]That is a great idea if you are in your 20's, 30's, and maybe 40's and routinely pull off a couple of pops in an hour or two.

I say that because I have gifted wives and girlfriends to that kind of treatment. And as soon as they are finished they are filled with so much gratitude, appreciation and horniness, they want to take their new young look and all that hands-on manipulation for a spin and a romp in the sack like never before to see the amazing effect it has on me.

And in this case, there will be the added deep romance and high adventure of foreign travel and a lovely hotel room. So she might expect a new level of sexual intensity this particular time around.

Consequently, at my age 71, I might be a tad reluctant to tee her up for that mood and inspiration within minutes of getting my balls drained by a 25 year old at a nearby Happy Ending Shop.

Just sayin'. As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]Take her for a drink, out to eat, to show her off. The old headache thing worlds both ways. Stall for an hour or so and use the little blue pill if necessary.

Anyone noticed recently police check Passport and visas of import girls?

Seems like Africans, Vietnamese, and Laos girls are different appearing from of Novatel hotel and surrounding.

I see police on motorbike start questioning these girls.

[QUOTE=TConor;2934728]I really don't know the exact name of this place (near or in Exchange Tower -Asok BTS) but 2 to 2 . 5 hour specials, body scrub, facials, massage, etc for far less than $100 which would run several hundreds in the States. Do your research, offer the treatment as a gift and a 1 time experience she should not pass up. Offer to go with her to find the place. [/QUOTE]Depending on how important this marriage or relationship is to you, this is a super high risk endeavor. Personally, even with all the distractions you can set her up for, I wouldn't dare to any of this when she is around in the same town. You never know. If she suspects something, she could follow you to Mango. Then your relationship and vacation would be ruined. Do you share your locations between the two of you? She will be know something is not kosher when you turn your location off. I don't think you want to hear this, but, enjoy the sight seeing now. Come back to Thailand alone some other time.

I was in Bangkok and had some spare time.

So as I made a good experience with Bell some years back I was trying to see if we can meet again.

She has a new website now [URL]bdsmbangkok.com[/URL] and it was easy to get in contact.

And as I was booking „way in advance" it was not a problem to book in 48 h with her.

I was a little insecure if this is the right decision, 48 h with Bell is maybe to much for my old body:-‚) But this was a wrong fear. She exactly knows what to do to be motivated. .

So I arrived and in the evening we meet. I stayed at the Hansar Hotel and had a nice Suite. (To be honest, never will go there again. It WAS a nice place, but now as there is no investment into the Hotel the last Years its run down and not worth the money. I left it after 3 Days and moved to the Rosewood. No comparison.

But, who cares about a room, if you have Bell around you. She let you forget anything. And spending 48 h with her is amazing, as after the first night, she knows what you like and what makes you horny. So she knows the right buttons to push do get you going.

So I do not want to go into to much details, but she has a very large rmparouar she is amazing in a BBJ, she loves rimming and she is in all the Kinki things. And as she is nor focussing on her mistress position, there is so much more fun to have.

Her Body is perfectly in shape, she puts daily work into it. And imagine her in a black fishnet or the Nurse costume.

This not advertising, just real appreciation. We went to some nice places for dinner, we loved the food at Nobu and she knows amazing places to dace and have fun.

So I get back to Bkk in Oktoberfest and I hope I can manage to see her.

I made some very erotic pictures of her. But I can't share.

[QUOTE=DarrenCohen34;2934572]Headed to Thailand for a vacation in the fall with the wifey--no way I could get a pass without her like in the old days.

We have a few days in Bangkok and are staying at the Waldorf Astoria (not my choice) and was wondering if anyone could provide advice for sneaking away for an hour? Ideally, I'd like to hit a nearby massage parlor while she is at the spa or shopping. I know Nana is close by taxi but I fear I'll get stuck in traffic and be late and then I'm screwed! Do you guys know of any massage parlors (during the day) that are walking distance and that provide extras? Or even a hotel spa that looks legit but provides extras?

Same question for Phuket (except a short taxi ride). Staying at Banyan Tree which is almost an hour by taxi to walking street.

TIA![/QUOTE]Bad idea. Everyone knows what a guy wants when he goes off for a few hours in Thailand. Your wife is probably not stupid. Why not take her to Nana or Cowboy together and spice up your love life a bit? Watch some naked girls, get a couple of lap dances and go home and fuck like bunnies. Win Win.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2935040]Bad idea. Everyone knows what a guy wants when he goes off for a few hours in Thailand. Your wife is probably not stupid. Why not take her to Nana or Cowboy together and spice up your love life a bit? Watch some naked girls, get a couple of lap dances and go home and fuck like bunnies. Win Win.[/QUOTE]Threesome. Nice.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2935016]Anyone noticed recently police check Passport and visas of import girls?

Seems like Africans, Vietnamese, and Laos girls are different appearing from of Novatel hotel and surrounding.

I see police on motorbike start questioning these girls.[/QUOTE]With all the Crimes being committed by Russian s etc I wouldn't doubt Police have been told to show who is Boss.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2935040]Bad idea. Everyone knows what a guy wants when he goes off for a few hours in Thailand. Your wife is probably not stupid. Why not take her to Nana or Cowboy together and spice up your love life a bit? Watch some naked girls, get a couple of lap dances and go home and fuck like bunnies. Win Win.[/QUOTE]Well--I plan to be conservative. If she goes to a 2-4 hour spa day with her girlfriends, I will stay in the room (to work / sleep / relax), change my location svcs to my iPad, then sneak out to Chao9 or Mango for an hour.

In Phuket, I'll probably rent a scooter near Orchid, Heavenly or Coconut MP in Choeng Thale (and leave my phone in the scooter down the street).

Both these ideas are relatively safe.

If it doesn't work out, at least I tried! I doubt I'll try anything more aggressive. I do have a buddy who lives in BKK now, but he's more of a travel friend I met in Costa Rica so not sure she'd let me take off for an entire evening with him given we only have 3 nights in BKK. Maybe I'll meet him for a drink but then I'd have to have him take my phone or leave it in his apartment if we went to Nana, etc.

I was at the Pimp in February and picked up a girl who told me that next time I should check out another, similar club, but I forgot the name of the place. It was something like K99, N49, something with a letter and a number. Very short name. I've tried searching on google but haven't been able to find anything. Anyone?

[QUOTE=Blues007;2935033]Depending on how important this marriage or relationship is to you, this is a super high risk endeavor. Personally, even with all the distractions you can set her up for, I wouldn't dare to any of this when she is around in the same town. You never know. If she suspects something, she could follow you to Mango. Then your relationship and vacation would be ruined. Do you share your locations between the two of you? She will be know something is not kosher when you turn your location off. I don't think you want to hear this, but, enjoy the sight seeing now. Come back to Thailand alone some other time.[/QUOTE]This is not calculus this is arithmetic. No one wants their cell phone on while relaxing getting a massage. Do you even have a Thai sim card? Shit or get off the pot. Too many cooks in this kitchen.

[QUOTE=Athens2;2935166]I was at the Pimp in February and picked up a girl who told me that next time I should check out another, similar club, but I forgot the name of the place. It was something like K99, N49, something with a letter and a number. Very short name. I've tried searching on google but haven't been able to find anything. Anyone?[/QUOTE]T-Ded 99.

It's a hybrid go go bar that uses the same gents club model as the Pimp, but they also have short time available with all the ladies. Hourly rates for girls drinking with you are very cheap. ST is 2500 baht including the room. It's quite a bit cheaper but there are a lot of hotties working there. Thai and Chinese customers are the main clients that go there with a few westerners like me.

Here is the google maps Link: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/vxiazyTLjfHhEP4f9?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy[/URL].

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2935236]T-Ded 99.

It's a hybrid go go bar that uses the same gents club model as the Pimp, but they also have short time available with all the ladies. Hourly rates for girls drinking with you are very cheap. ST is 2500 baht including the room. It's quite a bit cheaper but there are a lot of hotties working there. Thai and Chinese customers are the main clients that go there with a few westerners like me.

Here is the google maps Link: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/vxiazyTLjfHhEP4f9?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy[/URL].

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Yo bro, was that place open before Covid? There are several clubs there, right? I haven't hung out in that area for about 6 years and the memory section of my brain is the consistency of warm farina. I had a fabulous hardbody up there. I thought Covid closed the strip up because it doesn't get a lot of mention. The Thai dudes there were very cool too.

Good to know. Will check this place out next visit.

Any other bars or clubs in Bangkok and Pattaya where locals go to meet and bag girls? Just curious about exotic local flavors.

Thanks.

So plans have changed a little and I will only be staying in Thailand for 1 week in September.

It will be my first time visiting.

I was thinking maybe Parkroyal Suites?

Paolo in the Bangkok Hotel thread recommended maybe Novotel or Ibis Styles?

Are the $50-$100 hotels worth it to save money instead of splurging on something $100 or more per night?

Because I was also considering The Landmark.

Any and all thoughts / recommendations are much appreciated, thank you!

Also, does it go without question that these are all girl / guest friendly?

If I pay a bar fine is it implied that we would be going to my hotel?

I don't know the difference between that and like short time rooms / hotels? I'm confused about how things go with bargirls and logistics.

Please advise.

Obviously I am assuming staying around Nana is best.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2935301]Good to know. Will check this place out next visit.

Any other bars or clubs in Bangkok and Pattaya where locals go to meet and bag girls? Just curious about exotic local flavors.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Just FYI but several scathing recent reviews on Google. Of course happy for you to toftt and report back!

P.S. I will never understand why a tech company like Google equally weights reviews for five years ago and today. And lists the reviews randomly. I don't give three flying fucks what it was like 5 years ago!

Speaking of which I always thought Magic Table seemed interesting but I guess it’s lame now. Anyone have first hand experience?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2935414]Just FYI but several scathing recent reviews on Google. Of course happy for you to toftt and report back!

P.S. I will never understand why a tech company like Google equally weights reviews for five years ago and today. And lists the reviews randomly. I don't give three flying fucks what it was like 5 years ago![/QUOTE]I'm sure there's a reason to it (perhaps how many "likes" the review got, how many "likes" other reviews from the same reviewer has, etc.), but I agree with you. You do know that you can click the button to have the reviews be sorted by newest first, though? For some reason this button seems to only be available if you are looking at the place via maps. [URL]google.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2935236]T-Ded 99.

It's a hybrid go go bar that uses the same gents club model as the Pimp, but they also have short time available with all the ladies. Hourly rates for girls drinking with you are very cheap. ST is 2500 baht including the room. It's quite a bit cheaper but there are a lot of hotties working there. Thai and Chinese customers are the main clients that go there with a few westerners like me.

Here is the google maps Link: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/vxiazyTLjfHhEP4f9?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy[/URL].

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Is there also ST available at The pimp?

What is the best modus operandi for solo mongers at these clubs. Get the smallest private room and do it right there? How about LT? Do they have BF?

Just curious.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2935301]Good to know. Will check this place out next visit.

Any other bars or clubs in Bangkok and Pattaya where locals go to meet and bag girls? Just curious about exotic local flavors.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Be Careful. All the Broke Thais Guys will be watching you make it RaIn.

I'd rethink your plan of going to thai Centric places to get Girls.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2935236]T-Ded 99.

It's a hybrid go go bar that uses the same gents club model as the Pimp, but they also have short time available with all the ladies. Hourly rates for girls drinking with you are very cheap. ST is 2500 baht including the room. It's quite a bit cheaper but there are a lot of hotties working there. Thai and Chinese customers are the main clients that go there with a few westerners like me.

Here is the google maps Link: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/vxiazyTLjfHhEP4f9?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy[/URL].

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]This looks and sound like a place I've been getting lots of ads from called " Drink Bar " not knowing Bangkok can't make out where on their map.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2935468]This looks and sound like a place I've been getting lots of ads from called " Drink Bar " not knowing Bangkok can't make out where on their map.[/QUOTE]This place has been here for years. The name is what I said. It's not Drink Bar. They only advertise to Thais and Chinese.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2935427]Is there also ST available at The pimp?

What is the best modus operandi for solo mongers at these clubs. Get the smallest private room and do it right there? How about LT? Do they have BF?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]Officially no. No official bar fine and the most action you will get on site is topless girls dry humping you.

[QUOTE=Koogler;2935409]So plans have changed a little and I will only be staying in Thailand for 1 week in September.

It will be my first time visiting.

I was thinking maybe Parkroyal Suites?

Paolo in the Bangkok Hotel thread recommended maybe Novotel or Ibis Styles?

Are the $50-$100 hotels worth it to save money instead of splurging on something $100 or more per night?

Because I was also considering The Landmark.

Any and all thoughts / recommendations are much appreciated, thank you!

Also, does it go without question that these are all girl / guest friendly?

If I pay a bar fine is it implied that we would be going to my hotel?

I don't know the difference between that and like short time rooms / hotels? I'm confused about how things go with bargirls and logistics.

Please advise.

Obviously I am assuming staying around Nana is best.[/QUOTE]Park Royal is pretty decent as it's quiet but very close to Nana. Rooms are very big with separate living room, kitchen, balcony.

Ibis Styles there's a few & it's pretty stylish but be aware rooms are 3. 5* whereas the hotel itself almost looks like a 4 star. In terms of exterior, lobby, they always have a skybar, restaurant, gym. I've stayed in Silom & Ratchada branches but not aware of one really close to Nana.

Recently saw this on some website and was curious how accurate it is. I live in Pattaya and DIDN'T see one for there.

Who goes to Shark? Are Billboard and Butterflies really only 800 baht barfine?

Name BF LD Beer ST. LG.

Angelwitch Gogo Bar 700 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Spanky's Gogo Bar 700 170 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Geisha Gogo Bar *# 1000 170 165 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Butterflies * 800 170 140 2-3 K 4-5 K 60.

TwisterBKK 1000 185 165 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Billboard *# 800 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Twister *# 1000 185 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 30.

Dollhouse (Downstairs) 800 180 150 2-3 K 4-5 K 15.

Dollhouse (Upstairs) 800 180 150 2-3 K 4-5 K 10.

Tilac 1000 180 180 2-3 K 4-5 K 20.

Lighthouse Gogo Bar 800 165 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 12.

Shark 800 180 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 25.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2935414]Just FYI but several scathing recent reviews on Google. Of course happy for you to toftt and report back!

P.S. I will never understand why a tech company like Google equally weights reviews for five years ago and today. And lists the reviews randomly. I don't give three flying fucks what it was like 5 years ago!

Speaking of which I always thought Magic Table seemed interesting but I guess its lame now. Anyone have first hand experience?[/QUOTE]Maybe back last November, I saw a girl there that didn't make me run screaming in fear. It was almost closing time and my driver was waiting so I had her suck me off without any prelims. Never saw any other action there except for an occasional fat disgusting farang too low even for Wood Bar.

With Google reviews, I reject any reviews from Chinese.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2935491]Recently saw this on some website and was curious how accurate it is. I live in Pattaya and DIDN'T see one for there.

Who goes to Shark? Are Billboard and Butterflies really only 800 baht barfine?

Name BF LD Beer ST. LG.

Angelwitch Gogo Bar 700 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Spanky's Gogo Bar 700 170 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Geisha Gogo Bar *# 1000 170 165 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Butterflies * 800 170 140 2-3 K 4-5 K 60.

TwisterBKK 1000 185 165 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Billboard *# 800 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Twister *# 1000 185 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 30.

Dollhouse (Downstairs) 800 180 150 2-3 K 4-5 K 15.

Dollhouse (Upstairs) 800 180 150 2-3 K 4-5 K 10.

Tilac 1000 180 180 2-3 K 4-5 K 20.

Lighthouse Gogo Bar 800 165 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 12.

Shark 800 180 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 25.[/QUOTE]The only source on the internet about action in Thailand that's worth a shit is this forum. Search "barfine" and the name of bar. Billboard is 800.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2935484]This place has been here for years. The name is what I said. It's not Drink Bar. They only advertise to Thais and Chinese.[/QUOTE]I know what you said!

The conversation regarding your place seem to fit the place I mentioned " Drink Bar " advertising seem yes to local to Thsis or Chinese which I can pass for either.

Just asking if someone knows of one might know of others.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2935519]I know what you said!

The conversation regarding your place seem to fit the place I mentioned " Drink Bar " advertising seem yes to local to Thsis or Chinese which I can pass for either.

Just asking if someone knows of one might know of others.[/QUOTE]T-Ded 99 is in Saphan Kwai. The street runs from Phahonyothin to Ratchada. It's called the Suthisan area. T-Ded 99 is a go go bar that runs a hostess system instead of a lady drink system. However it's so cheap it does not matter.

Here is the bar you are talking about: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/sDRpqqup1WeCxNbr5?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy[/URL].

It is located in the Raminthra area. It's a hostess bar and not a go go bar. There is no bar fine system like T-Ded 99. In this area there are plenty of hostess bars and gents clubs for Thai people. I've been to most of them. You can take girls out after their shift.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2935283]Yo bro, was that place open before Covid? There are several clubs there, right? I haven't hung out in that area for about 6 years and the memory section of my brain is the consistency of warm farina. I had a fabulous hardbody up there. I thought Covid closed the strip up because it doesn't get a lot of mention. The Thai dudes there were very cool too.[/QUOTE]Yes it's the same place. A few places didn't last through Covid but, this place is one of the few that survived. Consistent talent every night.

So I matched up with this obese Thai BBW of a whale on tinder. She speaks and writes good English, educated and works for a large American company in BKk. Seems to be upper middle class, driving a car etc.

Anyway we have been chatting back and forth for about 3-4 days now and she seems very interested, also had an hour long video call with her and she is legit so chances of being cat fished are ruled out. She told me she loves sex etc and longing for a relationship and that she can't get a Thai man because of her being a whale!

I told her I'll be coming to BKK for a short weeks stay in about 2 months. Only problem is she says that if I want to meet her I must refrain from an mongering during my short stay in BKK.

She seems really clingy even in texting, good morning, good night etc.

Do you folks think I should cut my losses and give her a fib telling her I have cancelled my trip to Thailand all whilst secretly enjoying mongering in BKK without her knowing I'm there or cut my freedom and go visit her. My gut instinct tells me not to be a stupid and choose the former.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2935488]Park Royal is pretty decent as it's quiet but very close to Nana. Rooms are very big with separate living room, kitchen, balcony.

Ibis Styles there's a few & it's pretty stylish .......... I've stayed in Silom & Ratchada branches but not aware of one really close to Nana.[/QUOTE]Thought there was an Ibis Styles on Soi 4, about 100 m from Nana?

After exiting Marriot M. On Sukhumvit Soi 22 (In the 6-7 years I've been visiting Bangkok, the quality of this buffet has gone down a little, but it it's still the best buffet afaik between Nana and Phrom Phrong) some hours ago, I was caught by the beginning rain, so I escaped into I the second or third massage shop further down the road, as one of the women in front was the first I saw that looked reasonably pretty. Around 35 now I guess, but still looked fine enough. Slim too. 15 years ago she was a cutie I'm sure.

Booked an hour Thai massage at 300 baht and up we went after a foot wash. She'd been chatting slightly with me, but unlike the farang on the other side of the room, who it sounded like had selected to get massaged by two women at the same time and was jabbering away loudly in some god awful horrible Thai that was annoying even to my ears, I didn't say much as I prefer to just close my eyes and relax.

Anyhow, near the end of the hour she naturally asked if I wanted "hand". I have my own hand, so no, thank you, but instead pushed her head down towards my dick. There's a dozen ways you can do that of course, and if you have no idea how to do that in a playful and polite manner, my suggestion is to not even try, as odds are you will do it in a rude and obnoxious way and ruin any friendly feelings the woman might have towards you. Instead indicate in some other way that you want a BJ. E. g. , try to politely point at her mouth with a finger while smiling. Anyway, she did not open her mouth while her lips were pressed against the bulge in my massage pants, but just laughed, and then had me change position so she could do the standard head massage that's near the end of the massage, me laying in her lap.

She made some other joke about my hand while doing this, and I said if she gave me a BJ instead, it would be better. She asked how much, and I held up one finger (1000 baht). She told me there were only 5 minutes left now now, and asked if it was enough? I said I'm not sure. If she sucked good, maybe, but if not so good, no, not enough time. She had a small think about this, and then said ok, 10 minutes. She was friendly enough and I did not make her work too hard, but instead nutted in her mouth after 6-7 minutes. I encouraged her to swallow, but she politely declined.

The little talking we did was in Thai, so as long as the woman is not an idiot that will be enough for her to understand you are not going to pay her some fantasy tourist fee of 2000 for a BJ, but even if you don't speak a word of Thai, there's not really any reason to pay more than 1,000 for a BJ here. There was a dude getting a massage on the mattress next to us (fortunately not that loud mouthed farang), so FS was obviously not an option at the moment. Otherwise I suspect she might have suggested that instead of a BJ.

I then paid the 300 for massage, and also gave her an additional 100 baht tip for the regular massage, which was decent enough and ran a bit into overtime due to the BJ.

BTW, the two massage shops at the being of the Soi, close to each others, Kinaree I think one of them is named, seem to consistently have the best looking women, bar the one or two hidden gems you can find further down in some random shop, but the one or two times I've gone there, the massage was sub-par, and I did not get any BJ. I no longer remember if they insisted on 2,000, or what the problem was, but the experience turned me off to them and I've not been back. Perhaps time to make another visit I think to see if things have improved during the last one or two years I guess. My experience is however that the nearer the start of the soi, the more tourists they get, and this affects both their attitude and price, both for regular massage and extras.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2935567]So I matched up with this obese Thai BBW of a whale on tinder. She speaks and writes good English, educated and works for a large American company in BKk. Seems to be upper middle class, driving a car etc.

Anyway we have been chatting back and forth for about 3-4 days now and she seems very interested, also had an hour long video call with her and she is legit so chances of being cat fished are ruled out. She told me she loves sex etc and longing for a relationship and that she can't get a Thai man because of her being a whale!

I told her I'll be coming to BKK for a short weeks stay in about 2 months. Only problem is she says that if I want to meet her I must refrain from an mongering during my short stay in BKK.

She seems really clingy even in texting, good morning, good night etc.

Do you folks think I should cut my losses and give her a fib telling her I have cancelled my trip to Thailand all whilst secretly enjoying mongering in BKK without her knowing I'm there or cut my freedom and go visit her. My gut instinct tells me not to be a stupid and choose the former.[/QUOTE]

Dude, how can you even consider the second option? In a land filled with nubile, slim, young girls? She'd have to be Black Widow or Wonder Woman for any sane man to even consider that idea.

Just tell her, in a slightly more polite way if you want, that you are not her BF and that you don't like women telling you what to do. Then just wait for her to respond.

Should she, unlike what I expect, not respond, just message her when you're here, or shortly before if you really want to see her, and ask if she wants to meet up. She's hardly drowning in offers for guys to bang her, so she'd be a bit of a silly cow to reject your offer.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2935491]Who goes to Shark?

Name BF LD Beer ST. LG.

Spanky's Gogo Bar 700 170 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Billboard *# 800 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.[/QUOTE]There are some inaccuracy in that list.

Price of a drink and ladydrink is more expensive than 170 in Spanky, I saw their menu when I past in front of the place a few weeks ago, it's 200 or 220.

You can have a beer for 155 in Billboard.

Shark is shit now. You'll be ordered to pay a drink by a shit faced rude waitress the moment you pop your head in the place.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2935567]...Anyway we have been chatting back and forth for about 3-4 days now and she seems very interested, also had an hour long video call with her and she is legit so chances of being cat fished are ruled out. She told me she loves sex etc and longing for a relationship and that she can't get a Thai man because of her being a whale!
...

Do you folks think I should cut my losses and give her a fib telling her I have cancelled my trip to Thailand all whilst secretly enjoying mongering in BKK without her knowing I'm there or cut my freedom and go visit her. My gut instinct tells me not to be a stupid and choose the former.[/QUOTE]Good gosh VickyCooper, why lie to her? Just tell her that you aren't the right man for her to build a relationship and she should look elsewhere. You can even tell her that you aren't ready to stop mongering. Or, you can tell her whatever is truly on your mind. She knows this is Thailand.

3-4 days of chatting plus an hour video call is not much of an investment for either you or for her. At this stage you can get slow with your chat replies or you can simply ghost her.

Thai-friendly or Tinder Which one is better for finding freelancers?

I was in Bangkok for a few days and I decided to try ThaiFriendly for the first time. I saw Mink active on ThaiFriendly around 2 am Friday back in June 2024. As per attached screenshot, Mink included in her ThaiFriendly profile that she is a freelancer, 19 years old, 170 cm tall, 45 kg. For TLDR purposes ("Too Long; Didn't Read" I will now do a quick summary of this trip report. Mink was 100% lady (not ladyboy). Her English skills were limited but good enough. She was girly and friendly and not bitchy. She didn't rush at any point and didn't ask me to hurry up. She was clean and smelled good. She wasn't thrilled about me taking photos, but agreed to proceed if she covered her face and back tattoos. We started with BJ, and her BJ skills were good enough that I asked her to keep going with BJ for a bit longer. We then moved to 69. She probably had a 1 day growth of pubic hair, and her pussy didn't have a bad smell or taste. I didn't want to blow my load from her BJ, so we flipped from 69 to cowgirl. Her pussy was just the right amount of tight and wet. From cowgirl to missionary, then to spoon, then to doggy. All up, the whole session from 69 to doggy took around a little over an hour. She rested for a couple of minutes, then took a nice long shower. I gave her the 2200 baht plus a nice tip, a quick kiss and she was on her way.

I knew that I was only going to be in Bangkok for a few days this trip, so I read a few of the reports here and decided that using ThaiFriendly and walking along Patpong and Thaniya road (since my hotel was near Patpong) might be a good way for me to get a freelancer. Time, opportunity, and patience were limited in this trip so I decided to skip Thermae and Nana Plaza on Sukhumvit for this trip. As recommended here by a few posters, I upgraded to the Premium version of ThaiFriendly (for 1 month) so that I can have access to the extra features like unlimited messages and advanced search. I made a rookie mistake of sending too many chats and messages to the many girls that showed up in the advanced search result matching the criteria that I was looking for. From the many chats and messages I sent, I only received a couple of replies. In hindsight, sending too many chats and messages days before arriving in Bangkok proved to be a rookie mistake and a complete waste of time. The two girls that I ended up getting from ThaiFriendly were freelance girls that were online at the time and were actively looking for a customer who was ready to meet immediately (within the hour). The other lesson was that having the Line app and a Bangkok sim card came particularly handy in the ThaiFriendly process.

Mink hadn't shown up on any of my previous ThaiFriendly search results, so I can only guess that her ThaiFriendly account is only active / not hidden only when she's looking for a customer. I sent her a message in ThaiFriendly asking her "how much for short time", she replied back with her Line app account / number. We continued our chat via the Line app and we agreed on 2200 baht for short time. I gave her my hotel details and she replied back that she just needs to change her clothes and will be on her way. After 30 minutes she sent me a screenshot of a map showing that she is approximately 20 minutes away from my hotel, and sure enough after 20 minutes she sent me a chat on the Line app saying that she had arrived and asked me to come down and collect her outside the doors of my hotel. I looked at the time stamp of our chat on the Line app and it was exactly 1 hour from the time that I sent my first message to her to the time that she said she had arrived at the hotel. I replied back to her saying that I was on my way down to collect her. She was waiting just outside the hotel doors in her girly dress and gave me a big and somewhat shy smile. We walked through the hotel doors and walked past the hotel reception and straight to the elevator, there was no prompt from the hotel reception staff about the need for Mink to sign-in as my guest. In the elevator Mink asked me if she looked different in person compared to her photo in ThaiFriendly and her photos in the Line app, I said that she looked taller and more mature in person. She pointed to the tall heel shoes she was wearing and to the pigtails she was wearing in her ThaiFriendly profile photo. Up close she looked about 22 years old, which is to say that she did not look like a 30 or 40 year old woman. And up close, she looked exactly like the slim and long legged girly girl that I'm attracted to. So I couldn't wait to get her out of that dress. . to be continued.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2935526]T-Ded 99 is in Saphan Kwai. The street runs from Phahonyothin to Ratchada. It's called the Suthisan area. T-Ded 99 is a go go bar that runs a hostess system instead of a lady drink system. However it's so cheap it does not matter.

Here is the bar you are talking about: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/sDRpqqup1WeCxNbr5?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy[/URL].

It is located in the Raminthra area. It's a hostess bar and not a go go bar. There is no bar fine system like T-Ded 99. In this area there are plenty of hostess bars and gents clubs for Thai people. I've been to most of them. You can take girls out after their shift.[/QUOTE]Greatly appreciate, got family coming in October from HK, they love places like this will also try to hit T99

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2935567]So I matched up with this obese Thai BBW of a whale on tinder. She speaks and writes good English, educated and works for a large American company in BKk. Seems to be upper middle class, driving a car etc.

Anyway we have been chatting back and forth for about 3-4 days now and she seems very interested, also had an hour long video call with her and she is legit so chances of being cat fished are ruled out. She told me she loves sex etc and longing for a relationship and that she can't get a Thai man because of her being a whale!

I told her I'll be coming to BKK for a short weeks stay in about 2 months. Only problem is she says that if I want to meet her I must refrain from an mongering during my short stay in BKK.

She seems really clingy even in texting, good morning, good night etc.

Do you folks think I should cut my losses and give her a fib telling her I have cancelled my trip to Thailand all whilst secretly enjoying mongering in BKK without her knowing I'm there or cut my freedom and go visit her. My gut instinct tells me not to be a stupid and choose the former.[/QUOTE]Why are you having your life dictated by a 'Thai whale' you have never met?

[QUOTE=SladeWilson;2935675]Thai-friendly or Tinder Which one is better for finding freelancers?[/QUOTE]Thaifriendly.

After dinner I strolled up to Nana plaza for the first time in, I don't know, 10 years? I think I peeked into almost every bar there (including two ladyboy bars before quickly turning around), and sat down to sip on a drink in 5-6 of them. Bought a ladydrink for a friendly, but not my type of girl in one of them just to be polite. She was nice and friendly, if a bit desperate (rarely sees a guy as handsome as me no doubt). Sitting with me until I told her thanks and bye so as to not waste any more of her time.

I was planning on taking a girl with me for short-time tonight, but I just couldn't see anyone I'd pay to fuck. Bar a handful, I couldn't even see anyone I'd find it worth to go out and meet for coffee in the daytime in the hope of bringing them back to bed afterwards as an ordinary fuck. I'm not sure where the prettier daughters of Isaan are hiding at the moment, but it does not seem to be at Nana.

IMO soi cowboy, sans the arab's rip-off bars, while not exactly overflowing with pretties, is at least somewhat better at the moment.

[QUOTE=Koogler;2935409]So plans have changed a little and I will only be staying in Thailand for 1 week in September.

It will be my first time visiting.

I was thinking maybe Parkroyal Suites?

Paolo in the Bangkok Hotel thread recommended maybe Novotel or Ibis Styles?

Are the $50-$100 hotels worth it to save money instead of splurging on something $100 or more per night?

Because I was also considering The Landmark.

Any and all thoughts / recommendations are much appreciated, thank you!

Also, does it go without question that these are all girl / guest friendly?

If I pay a bar fine is it implied that we would be going to my hotel?

I don't know the difference between that and like short time rooms / hotels? I'm confused about how things go with bargirls and logistics.

Please advise.

Obviously I am assuming staying around Nana is best.[/QUOTE]There is Grand Majestic on Soi, I think and a JW Marriott nearby. I am not sure Landmark is girl-friendly. May want to double check.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935811]After dinner I strolled up to Nana plaza for the first time in, I don't know, 10 years? I think I peeked into almost every bar there (including two ladyboy bars before quickly turning around), and sat down to sip on a drink in 5-6 of them. Bought a ladydrink for a friendly, but not my type of girl in one of them just to be polite. She was nice and friendly, if a bit desperate (rarely sees a guy as handsome as me no doubt). Sitting with me until I told her thanks and bye so as to not waste any more of her time.

I was planning on taking a girl with me for short-time tonight, but I just couldn't see anyone I'd pay to fuck. Bar a handful, I couldn't even see anyone I'd find it worth to go out and meet for coffee in the daytime in the hope of bringing them back to bed afterwards as an ordinary fuck. I'm not sure where the prettier daughters of Isaan are hiding at the moment, but it does not seem to be at Nana.

IMO soi cowboy, sans the arab's rip-off bars, while not exactly overflowing with pretties, is at least somewhat better at the moment.[/QUOTE]Heading to Thailand next week. First trip in 8 years. Would you mind mentioning the Soi Cowboy "Arab" ripoff bars to avoid?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=MikeMark;2935862]Heading to Thailand next week. First trip in 8 years. Would you mind mentioning the Soi Cowboy "Arab" ripoff bars to avoid?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2934537&viewfull=1#post2934537

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935811]After dinner I strolled up to Nana plaza for the first time in, I don't know, 10 years? I think I peeked into almost every bar there (including two ladyboy bars before quickly turning around), and sat down to sip on a drink in 5-6 of them. Bought a ladydrink for a friendly, but not my type of girl in one of them just to be polite. She was nice and friendly, if a bit desperate (rarely sees a guy as handsome as me no doubt). Sitting with me until I told her thanks and bye so as to not waste any more of her time.

I was planning on taking a girl with me for short-time tonight, but I just couldn't see anyone I'd pay to fuck. Bar a handful, I couldn't even see anyone I'd find it worth to go out and meet for coffee in the daytime in the hope of bringing them back to bed afterwards as an ordinary fuck. I'm not sure where the prettier daughters of Isaan are hiding at the moment, but it does not seem to be at Nana.

IMO soi cowboy, sans the arab's rip-off bars, while not exactly overflowing with pretties, is at least somewhat better at the moment.[/QUOTE]It must have been an off night where many of the girls took the night off, because Nana is currently 10 times better than Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2935890]It must have been an off night where many of the girls took the night off, because Nana is currently 10 times better than Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Not sure I'm going to go there again, but if I do: any bars in particular you recommend?

[QUOTE=CowboyBebop;2935719]I was in Bangkok for a few days and I decided to try ThaiFriendly for the first time.
to be continued.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, great pictures.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2935890]It must have been an off night where many of the girls took the night off, because Nana is currently 10 times better than Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]It's always 10 x better than Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935894]Not sure I'm going to go there again, but if I do: any bars in particular you recommend?[/QUOTE]Obviously the lineups change often so you have to checkout a few, but if younger spinners is what you're searching for I suggest Red Dragon, Geshia, BKK Twister and Billboard. Any bar could have a couple but these 4 would probably have the most on any given night. Rainbow 4 also but I don't like that bar so I don't often recommend it. Rainbow 5 and Butterflies have had good girls in the past but their current lineups are weak.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2935928]Obviously the lineups change often so you have to checkout a few, but if younger spinners is what you're searching for I suggest Red Dragon, Geshia, BKK Twister and Billboard. Any bar could have a couple but these 4 would probably have the most on any given night. Rainbow 4 also but I don't like that bar so I don't often recommend it. Rainbow 5 and Butterflies have had good girls in the past but their current lineups are weak.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I think I sat down for a drink in Twister and Billboard (possibly Billboard was where I bought a ladydrink), but don't remember Geisha or Red Dragon, so will keep them in mind if there's a next time this month.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935999]Thanks. I think I sat down for a drink in Twister and Billboard (possibly Billboard was where I bought a ladydrink), but don't remember Geisha or Red Dragon, so will keep them in mind if there's a next time this month.[/QUOTE]Geisha is the one with the foam bath in the front. Large bar in the end of Floor 3 I think.

Will be in bkk around Aug. 17.

Hit me up if anybody wants to combine forces.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;2936026]Geisha is the one with the foam bath in the front. Large bar in the end of Floor 3 I think.[/QUOTE]Yeah not only does Geisha have the soapy bath at end of stage but the girls in the bath are all fully nude! That's a sweet touch. Definitely very sexy. I couldn't help but pause and take it in on the way from the bathroom. Lots of hot girls in Geisha. Pulled a tiny little spinner and had a good time. The girls at Red Dragin were hot and young also. Do love the rotating stage at billboard though. I guess each has its draw.

I finally got the name of the massage place on soi 25 - it's Ruanthai massage standard prices 2000 - 1 HR 1700 40 mins, did have the same person both times not much of a looker but great attitude and very good with the massage. I was hoping to see the same 9. 5 from 2023 but no such luck.

I also finally found Annie's was in the mood for a soapy but declined when I saw the lineup not very exciting.

But opposite Annie's is a bar for short time activities with the largest collection of 3/4 service personnel in Bangkok. I forgot the name but if you are in the area take a look.

Couldn't quite figure out the pricing, the girl had a sign 800 or 1000. I asked what was the difference but she was very vague and said if you can't pay 1000 then you can pay 800.

Not sure what that means. Anyway my last night wasn't that great met a person I had met before and all was ok until she demanded payment first. That's is a big red flag.

Now keep in mind I lived in BKK for a while when Thai people are paid they consider their work completed. There are numerous stories that after payment up front they are suddenly tired or someone calls them that their baby is sick, and they have to go. So just be careful to the new comers.

I am off to Jakarta in December will definitely have a much better time.

Stay safe all.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2936059]Yeah not only does Geisha have the soapy bath at end of stage but the girls in the bath are all fully nude! That's a sweet touch. Definitely very sexy. I couldn't help but pause and take it in on the way from the bathroom. Lots of hot girls in Geisha. Pulled a tiny little spinner and had a good time. The girls at Red Dragin were hot and young also. Do love the rotating stage at billboard though. I guess each has its draw.[/QUOTE]One thing about Nana is that they do search your bags and are pretty strict with drinks.

Billboard has the best girls but chance of them dancing on you is less than at other bars. Girls are tall, athletic & not many tattoos imo.

Imo Twister are quite notable for hiring girls with tattoos which I'm not a fan of. But they're really open to having a good time if you buy a lady drink. Lap dance etc.

[QUOTE=CowboyBebop;2935719]I was in Bangkok for a few days and I decided to try ThaiFriendly for the first time. . . to be continued.[/QUOTE]This is the continuation of this trip report.

It was a short walk from the elevator to the room and I enjoyed the view of Mink walking in her high heels and girly dress. She wasn't wearing a casual dress that a girl would wear to go grocery shopping, she looked liked like someone who was going to an upscale nightclub disco bar to dance and have cocktails. I really appreciated her effort in getting dressed up, and I told her that I liked her dress. Her dress ended about 5 inches above her knee, and this added to her legs looking taller and longer. It might be hard to see in the attached photos, but I reckon her legs account for around 65% of her overall height.

We didn't have a long conversation because her English was limited, but she did mention that she was relatively new to freelancing. She said that she had a sugar daddy supporting her for a long time, and that relationship has recently ended. My overall approach with these girls, and with most girls, is to take all of their stories with a grain of salt. A healthy level of skepticism and not blindly believing and accepting everything they say as gospel is my general rule of thumb, and this approach has serve me well so far. Of course I'm not going to be verbally combative and highly argumentative with the girl and I'm not openly questioning her and challenging her on the facts and validity of the stories she's telling me. Quietly in the back of my mind I'm always asking myself the question of what percentage of her story is true and accurate, and what percentage is there to try and encourage or manipulate me to give her more money. Some of the girls can be quite blatant and obvious about their manipulation tactics, and I find this really off-putting and leaves a bad taste and a bad impression of the initial interaction and of any ongoing interactions with a girl. Thankfully Mink seemingly did not fall into this category of overly highly manipulative bitches. From our initial online interaction, to the initial face to face interaction, and all the way to doing the deed and Mink leaving my room, I didn't feel that Mink was being too pushy and actively trying to manipulate me or trick me or cheat me. In our whole interaction, online and face to face, Mink never asked me for more money than the 2200 baht that she asked for, she never asked me to pay for her transportation, she didn't ask me to buy her food and drinks, she didn't push me to cut our time shorter or asked me to hurry up, she didn't tell me any sob story about a sick relative or a dire financial situation that she currently find herself in, and she didn't ask or hint about giving her a big tip.

After the brief chat, Mink asked me where the shower was so that she can have a quick wash. She didn't ask me to join her in the shower, and she didn't insist or ask for me to have a shower separately. Mink comes out of the shower with the white bath towel wrapped around her, covering her from chest to just below her buttcheeks. At this point I asked Mink if she was okay with me taking some photos of her naked. I can tell from her reaction to the question that she wasn't too thrilled about the idea, but she agreed to proceed and insisted that she cover her face with the bath towel and also cover her lower back tattoos. Mink removes the bath towel revealing her fully naked slim slender form. As Mink laid on the bed posing for the photo, I was again struck by her proportions of how long her legs are compared to the rest of her. The first photo was her lying on her back spread eagle with the towel covering her face and her hands. But I noticed that the towel was also covering her boobs, so asked her to move the towel slightly up to uncover her boobs. With her boobs now visible, I take the second photo. The second photo again shows her spread eagle, and now with her small boobs and small brown areolas and nipples and her flat stomach and small pussy also in full view. And moving the towel also revealed that she was holding her smartphone with her right hand. The first and second photos shows her hip bone clearly protruding, emphasizing how slim and skinny she is. But not too skinny, to start looking borderline anorexic. Just the right amount of slim and skinny that I'm attracted to. I asked Mink to turn over and lay on her front and she complies with no fuss or argument, and moves the towel to cover her lower back tattoos. I take the third photo as Mink continues to stay occupied with her smartphone. The third photo again shows her long slender body, including the bottom of her feet and her toes, her long legs leading to her small ass and a quick peek of her pussy, and her slender arched back leading to her protruding back shoulder blades. I move in closer to take the fourth and last photo which shows a closer view of her ass and pussy and her arched back.

I tell Mink that I'm finished with taking photos, Mink removes the towel and puts down her phone on the bedside table. I asked Mink if she wants the room lights on or off, she said that she would prefer the lights off. I turned off the lights but I told Mink that I will keep the big screen tv on so that we have some light in the room. I take my shirt and boxers off and asked Mink to sit upright at the end of the bed. I stand in front of Mink with my flaccid cock in front of her face. I put my hand on the back of her head and gently pushed her mouth towards my cock. She opens her mouth and started sucking my cock. To be continued.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2935928]Obviously the lineups change often so you have to checkout a few, but if younger spinners is what you're searching for I suggest Red Dragon, Geshia, BKK Twister and Billboard. Any bar could have a couple but these 4 would probably have the most on any given night. Rainbow 4 also but I don't like that bar so I don't often recommend it. Rainbow 5 and Butterflies have had good girls in the past but their current lineups are weak.[/QUOTE]No doubt in my mind number 1 is Rainbow 4, even then it can be Spotty at times.

Will be back in Bangkok in September and looking forward to another bonkathon. As a matter of interest which girls do people thing get shagged the most often:

1) Go-go girls from Nana or Soi Cowboy.

2) Girls from beer bars, including Thermae.

3) On line girls including TF and Tinder.

4) Street walkers.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2936177]Will be back in Bangkok in September and looking forward to another bonkathon. As a matter of interest which girls do people thing get shagged the most often:

1) Go-go girls from Nana or Soi Cowboy.

2) Girls from beer bars, including Thermae.

3) On line girls including TF and Tinder.

4) Street walkers.[/QUOTE]60% Thermae, 20% Nana, 20% other.

One of the things I like about retaining the services of a WG (as opposed to a GF) is that I can direct exactly what what perversions she performs! For example, I have some great video of a WG blowing me until I exclaim that I'm cumming in her mouth. In another episode, I got one to kneel before me and jerk me off until I splashed a sizeable load onto a deep blue dinner plate, which she then licked up like a good girl!

I usually arrange these encounters in advance to avoid disappointment of hearing: "Noooo, can NOT! So. In preparation for my next visit to BKK, it's time to start planning! I'm looking for recommendations for my next few perverse acts to arrange! All ideas welcome!

[QUOTE=Crypton;2935834]There is Grand Majestic on Soi, I think and a JW Marriott nearby. I am not sure Landmark is girl-friendly. May want to double check.[/QUOTE]Landmark is girl friendly. 5 minutes walk to soi 4.

Majesty grande in soi 2 has always been a great place, with remarkable breakfast buffet, and girl friendly, of course. Now it should be part of the Holtin chain, maybe higher price?

A few steps far is the JW Marriott.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2936177]Will be back in Bangkok in September and looking forward to another bonkathon. As a matter of interest which girls do people thing get shagged the most often:
1) Go-go girls from Nana or Soi Cowboy.2) Girls from beer bars, including Thermae.3) On line girls including TF and Tinder.4) Street walkers.[/QUOTE]One of the things I have gleamed is that girls often go a whole night with no BF, no pick up, no nothing.

Top quality girls be they bars or Flers WILL get BF most nights but I would suggest that's 10% of the pool.

Girls we rank 6/7/8 might only get 2 "customers" per week. I've asked the girls but they lie so that's pointless. Some say they are so popular that they get BF every night, some say you are the only one in the last 2 wks LOL.

It would be interesting to see esp in NEP how many guys go into the bars and how many of those BF. I'd be surprised if the percentage was above 25, I'd say prob more like 15% but that's just on my observation. Thermae girls less so, TF less so, FL less so.

The thing is to use these "conditions" to your advantage. I think lots of guys think these girls go home with customers every night. My observation is that is not the case.

But I could be completely wrong. Might see if some mamasans next trip can give me some honest answers.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2936232]One of the things I have gleamed is that girls often go a whole night with no BF, no pick up, no nothing.

Top quality girls be they bars or Flers WILL get BF most nights but I would suggest that's 10% of the pool.

Girls we rank 6/7/8 might only get 2 "customers" per week. I've asked the girls but they lie so that's pointless. Some say they are so popular that they get BF every night, some say you are the only one in the last 2 wks LOL.

It would be interesting to see esp in NEP how many guys go into the bars and how many of those BF. I'd be surprised if the percentage was above 25, I'd say prob more like 15% but that's just on my observation. Thermae girls less so, TF less so, FL less so.

The thing is to use these "conditions" to your advantage. I think lots of guys think these girls go home with customers every night. My observation is that is not the case.

But I could be completely wrong. Might see if some mamasans next trip can give me some honest answers.

NI.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 as example. Biggest barfine agogo in Nana. 100 guys walk in 5 barfine.

Income distribution is so skewed. It's the same ones getting barfined over and over again.

What's the delineate factor in which girls get barfines. Her Looks-duh.

Landed Bangkok in the AM but had a bit of work first. So headed out around 4. Of course not much going on then. Thought about going to a soapy but figured I'the kick around a bit first.

Recently someone on ISG mentioned the Soi 7 beer bars so I figured I'the walk down there and just see what's up. It was really dead but you could see it could be fun for a few beers as every bar has a pool table.

Way back in a dead end at the end of the street was a beer bar with three old ladies. And I mean prob 55-75 in age. But they were calling me over and have a big ten foot table with tight pockets not like most bars.

Played 3 or four amiable rounds of pool while I drank a beer and bought one for the youngest gal. (55! LOL) It was good fun and she's quite good obviously so we traded a few games. I left them 500 baht ($14) for my and the ladies drink so of course they were thrilled.

Wandered a bit more and considered a foot massage or playing somewhere else. Ended up getting pulled into Cat Bar and played several rounds of pool there. Nice place. They charge a laughable 20 baht per game. But it seems if you win it's no charge because I only paid twice.

Ok so two beers in I walk past the legendary Wood Bar and think why not shoot out my first load with a pro. Plenty of time for fancier options later.

I haven't been before and it's a bit intimidating. They sit you on one side of a narrow room and sit 20 ladies in front of you on the opposite side and say pick one. The black dress are 800 baht and the gold dress 1000 baht. They are all reasonably pretty if not lookers and a variety of older and thick mixed in. Black dress are equally pretty so it may be a skills thing.

I learned some time ago that BJ is not about optics. That pretty young thing prob doesn't ball suck for beans. So I chose a thicker girl with a few years on her (40 maybe?) thinking she'the be a pro and I was right. Pretty face and OMG she could suck dick.

Upstairs is not nearly as nice as the lobby. It's quite rundown and dingy but it gets the job done. She asks me to undress and then washes my dick thoroughly in the low sink and then gets on her knees and pats me dry in a very service oriented way.

A towel on the chair and the magic begins. I hadn't seen this before but she first squirts oil on my dick and this definitely heightened things. Because as she launches into some of the most epic BLS ever she's stroking my shaft with the oil and it's fucking heavenly.

She's a pros pro and knows how to deliver the buffet of blowjob. Getting me all worked up with BLS but going for mouth on shaft work to try to finish. Not so fast my darling. She does harmonica. And we alternate BLS and shaft work for maybe ten minutes before I blow a hot load in her mouth which she swallows with a smile. I love Wood Bar!

One spectacular BJ in the rearview I am feeling alright with the world and don't need anything else for a while. But no more than five minutes after dropping a load I get pulled into a place with a 1000 be BJ offer and I agree I'll just see the room for maybe later. Hahaha. Well that totally fails.

In the room she says "extra 500 for room" and I say no way I got to go. Magically the ridiculous upsell disappears and she drops to her knees. This place doesn't have the professional wash sink so she just starts going to town.

I warned her earlier that I just came five minutes ago but she takes on the challenge. She's prob only 70% as good as the other girl but better than most BJs you have had. So it's quite nice. I can't cum of course and just let her go at it for 15 minutes before calling it a day.

I kill the next hour with a foot massage which is the best $8. 50 you will spend in your life. It's a full hour and it's really more than just feet. She does oily calves and thighs (quite high!) but tons of foot work. Also a bit of shoulders and neck and thai stretching. Truly great.

As it's now dinner time I catch some Korean beef that is awesome and kill a bit of time as I'm meeting an ISG buddy at 8:30. Thermae opens at 8 so I figure I will just look as I've never been.

Thermae has been adequately described here but I will verify it's 100% Asian other than me. Of course thai girls, but all the guys are Asian also. I didn't however experience the white guy cold shoulder at all. While I didn't try to pull anyone I got eye contact and doe eyes from nearly every lady in the place. So I wouldn't write it off. I'm going to credit my boyish good looks. Yeah. Sticking with that!

I made it in time to meetup w my guy who was the consummate host despite being complete strangers other than ISG. We start at Red Dragon because it has more girls early. Nice having the local knowledge to guide me.

I take back what I said about Red Dragon trying to double up on drinks. They have a fair system and the girls are uniformly slim and pretty. This is just the warmup tho and we are off to Billboard.

I love Billboard. The rotating stage is just the best. 15-20 girls all packed in there doing the Bangkok shuffle. Bikinis and high heels. Always so hot. And of course topless in the soapy tub.

My friend rolls different from me but his style is growing on me. He knows almost all the girls and will call one or two or three (down for drinks. I grab a girl myself because it's just fun to party and nuzzle. Of course if you grab a girl you have to buy her a drink. The drinks appear to be about same price as mine (200 baht) but the girls are getting half for being selected. So we have a few drinks.

I guess this is kinda a duh moment but reminds me it's all business. After her second or third drink she's asks if she can have another and I say no. She says "OK I go dance then!" And off she goes. Oh well fair enough.

We then bounce to Geisha which is quite nice also. The stage doesn't revolve and the girls don't rotate down the line which is odd because the view rarely changes. The full nude soapy tub at the end of the stage is def smoking hot.

We eventually both call down hotties to drink with us and have a nice time. After quite a lot of thigh stroke and massage my girl eventually works up to dick stroking. Which is of course your ticket to the room. And so after some time off we go. It's 3000 + 1000 BF at Geisha. I foolishly pay all up front because they make it seem like you are supposed to. It works out fine but was close to not. So when asked for the full amount just say you will pay barfine now and pay the girl after. They will be fine with this and you retain control.

Note that you can run up quite a tab if you are buying drinks for urself and one or two girls and maybe the mamasan or waitress if you are just rolling with it. My bill was a shocking 1750 baht which is a lot if you compare it to 1000 for the best BJ in the world. But since that's only $50 it's really not worth losing sleep over. And it's so much more fun to roll big. I love Thailand!

We walk the considerable distance to my hotel (try to stay less than ten minutes away) and get down in the room. I won't go into detail but it's surprisingly odd. I don't know if she's just new or what but she fucks around just kissing my torso and jacking me for like ten minutes. Totally lame. I eventually get out Google translate and get her to BJ but it's quite good once she's going.

This fortunately gets me hard enough to fuck and she's wet on entry no lube required. Actually some really nice fucking and she is one petite hottie. But we don't get it done after the double BJ just hours before and I send her on her way. She was really rather sweet but I can see how paying before was unwise and could have led to an epic fail. But it was OK if not great.

Of course I know what to do now since I didn't finish. Back to Wood Bar at 12:30 AM (they close at 1). I pick another chubby experienced girl with a pretty face and she does NOT disappoint. Perilously hard to finish on the fourth go of the day. But I get her to alternate her amazing sloppy ball work and some great shaft gobbling. And just rinse repeat till I hit the back of her throat with a hot one! Nice!

Sleep the sleep of the dead and ready for day two. Stay tuned!

[QUOTE=TKOman;2936196]One of the things I like about retaining the services of a WG (as opposed to a GF) is that I can direct exactly what what perversions she performs! For example, I have some great video of a WG blowing me until I exclaim that I'm cumming in her mouth. In another episode, I got one to kneel before me and jerk me off until I splashed a sizeable load onto a deep blue dinner plate, which she then licked up like a good girl!

I usually arrange these encounters in advance to avoid disappointment of hearing: "Noooo, can NOT! So. In preparation for my next visit to BKK, it's time to start planning! I'm looking for recommendations for my next few perverse acts to arrange! All ideas welcome![/QUOTE]Always suprised by the number of people who want CIP. I much prefer to watch it all dribbling down her face.

One thing I have never heard mentioned here is girls that receive water soorts. I guess there must be some somewhere.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2936232]Girls we rank 6/7/8 might only get 2 "customers" per week.NI.[/QUOTE]You're too pessimistic, a 7 or 8 as you say is most likely getting 2ST (or more) per night, at least in places like Billboard, Geisha or Red dragon.

Detailed day 2 report coming, along with Day 3 once it unfolds. But I wanted to give a shoutout to Mango Massage. I went around 3 and the lineup was 15-20 all thin and pretty girls. I had their Line so I remembered Pey Pey and Nut were def candidates. I asked about them and she pointed them out. I chose Nut who turns out to be my dream girl. I favor a round face with full lips and dark skin and man Nut is 100% my dream girl. Great English and attentive as fuck. Just amazing girl. 100% in love and high recommend for Mango.

Has anyone seen this girl on ThaiFriendly?

[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Rubysydneymmk[/URL]

This is part of her profile: "19 young girl now I'm student in university college.

Small, petite, fit, tight, young, long hair, great body, cute face Can do anything you want Looking guy inside my tummy. Can do anything you want other girls can't do itFill me up destroy young little baby nympho girl 🫦. Use me like doll toy can use my body like toy choke me ".

This is the same girl:

[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Emily382[/URL]

This is from the second profile:

"I can do anything you want other girls can't do itFill me up destroy young little baby nympho girl.

Use me like doll toy can use my body like toy choke me please.

Let you raw come deep inside nonstop I'm nympho don't tried to have fun.

LETS MEET AND SEE I'm REAL NAUGHTY".

This has the feel of a scam, but maybe someone has seen her and knows.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2936352]Has anyone seen this girl on ThaiFriendly?

[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Rubysydneymmk[/URL]

This is part of her profile: "19 young girl now I'm student in university college. 🤓.

Small, petite, fit, tight, young, long hair, great body, cute face Can do anything you want Looking guy inside my tummy. Can do anything you want other girls can't do itFill me up destroy young little baby nympho girl 🫦. Use me like doll toy can use my body like toy choke me ".

This is the same girl:

[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Emily382[/URL]


This is from the second profile:

"I can do anything you want other girls can't do itFill me up destroy young little baby nympho girl 🫦.

Use me like doll toy can use my body like toy choke me please 💋.

Let you raw come deep inside nonstop I'm nympho don't tried to have fun.

LETS MEET AND SEE I'm REAL NAUGHTY".

This has the feel of a scam, but maybe someone has seen her and knows.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it's a scam but I don't think that it's real either. She is always setting up new profiles and iusing different photos but the text is almost always the same or very close. Also has the same Line ID. I think admin is deleting her profiles and that's why she adds so many new ones. I think that if you contact her on Line you most likely won't get a response.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2936241]Rainbow 4 as example. Biggest barfine agogo in Nana. 100 guys walk in 5 barfine.

Income distribution is so skewed. It's the same ones getting barfined over and over again.

What's the delineate factor in which girls get barfines. Her Looks-duh.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with that. Was in BKK for a few days last month in July passing through. Had picked up this one young 22 year old from Billboard NEP around Christmas last year for ST but I found her so much fun that this time wanted to take her LT. Went looking for her early at 8 pm. She was there but only ST available since she was already previously booked later that night for LT. Same thing happened a couple of days later but then finally the day before I left was able to snag her for LT. Took her dinner and clubbing etc till wee morning hours. She left later that morning after some glorious fornication. ST 700 BF+3. 5 K but I would tip her. LT 1 K BF+6 K. I tried to tip her another 1 K but she was refusing so I just put it near her purse. Gem of a girl.

Can booking sites like Agoda or Priceline be trusted when reserving a hotel?

The price difference is almost $200-$300 when comparing the price directly with the hotel.

Seeing a lot of horror stories online or posts to avoid these booking websites makes me hesitant but I could really use the savings if legit.

Please advise.

[QUOTE=Koogler;2936443]Can booking sites like Agoda or Priceline be trusted when reserving a hotel?

The price difference is almost $200-$300 when comparing the price directly with the hotel.

Seeing a lot of horror stories online or posts to avoid these booking websites makes me hesitant but I could really use the savings if legit.

Please advise.[/QUOTE]Me and my buddies use Agoda like the last few years. Each of us had a few different trips sometimes overlapping dates and haven't had any issues booking in pattaya and Bangkok at a few different hotels now.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2936339]Detailed day 2 report coming, along with Day 3 once it unfolds. But I wanted to give a shoutout to Mango Massage. I went around 3 and the lineup was 15-20 all thin and pretty girls. I had their Line so I remembered Pey Pey and Nut were def candidates. I asked about them and she pointed them out. I chose Nut who turns out to be my dream girl. I favor a round face with full lips and dark skin and man Nut is 100% my dream girl. Great English and attentive as fuck. Just amazing girl. 100% in love and high recommend for Mango.[/QUOTE]Is this the Nut you are referring to?

Ah Bangkok. It always delivers. Some times it's good and sometimes it's great. But rarely poor. So much variety I can hardly choose but I do love me a gogo so a complete diet of that for yesterday.

Once again got off work around 4 but just slept a few hours before attacking the scene. Had a nice dinner with my ISG mate and his expat buddies. High recommend on Billy's Smokehouse. The half rack of ribs is three times as big as any plate of ribs in the US. Amazing.

So after dinner where but Nana Plaza? Again we hit Red Dragon first but bounce to Billboard and it's hopping. They are wearing the black bikinis which should be outlawed. My first billboard visit was white bikinis and the camel toe was on point. Soooo good. Black is now my least favorite color. LOL. But I still love all the stripper heels.

They first sit us at the revolving stage. I guess this isn't prime real estate because they are working to relocate us. But other than craning your neck I love being that close. And love the parade of stripper heels at eye level. But eventually they relocate us to a table.

Of course my ISG buddy has several girls draped all over him from the get go. I take my time and just enjoy the scene. Got to say I love the music in Billboard also. The whole vibe is just great. After a bit I pull my girl. 602 as I recall. Moon.

Damn she is fine! Such a beautiful face and a banging body. Honestly a 9. 5 face but going to have to go with 8 for the body due to the man mades. They look good in clothes but a bit oversized and out of proportion for a tiny little Thai girl. Nonetheless some nice girly stuff on top, as we will see.

Moon is a very affectionate girl at the table, alternating between back grinding against me and turning around to melt me with her liquid browns. She's very good with eye contact. And I just love being with her at the club. Of course some ladies drinks to keep her engaged.

Guessing around 10 ish I bar fine her. Billboard is 4000+700. So a bit higher than Geisha but worth every penny. I am smarter tonight and tell the mamasan I will pay the girl after. She says ok just pay the 700 now. No problem. And off we go after a wardrobe change.

Quite a little hike to my hotel but she's a good sport. Some of the details of the sex are a bit fuzzy. But I remember her BLS was a bit light with tip of tongue but I got her sucking balls. Very nice BJ in general. I swing her around to 69 and we did that for quite some time.

Nice fucking in all the positions and threaten to blow a stack but do not. Putting her back on BJ I eventually move to the patented Steve finish of ball suck while I jack off. Dunno why that's so good but it almost never fails me and I shoot out a nice load.

After some nice wind down cuddle she is ready to head back and surprised when I dress to head back also. I tell her I'm just going to have another drink but she's prob smarter than that. Was going to get a Grab back but fuck 30 minutes at that time of night. So we walk back. She convinces me to have that drink at Billboard while she changes but I never see her again and eventually move on.

I head over to Butterflies to see if Irin is around. A little backstory there. Had an amazing time with Irin a year ago. True college girl and inexperienced but wet as a fountain and took direction well. We went two times last year, including a great in room party with my buddy Chris and his girl. We stayed in light touch. And I ignored her "send me a gift" requests. She said she was working yesterday, but I blew her off in favor of new things my first night in Bangkok. This unfortunately backfired in the end.

So I drop into Butterflies and I really do like how they have the red leather chairs at a slight distance to the stage. Def feel like a king watching the action. I am looking for Irin, but don't see her during the first hour. There are two girls on stage -- one on the main stage and one in the soapy bath who seem a whole lotta fun. Lots of laughter and dancing. Def thicker than most of the pixies but with banging natural racks to go with. So I keep my eye on them.

Eventually Irin comes in (assume returning from a customer) but gets with this other guy. She sees me in a bit though and lights up like fireworks and waves and gives me five fingers, as in I will get rid of this guy and see you in five. Unfortunately this turns out to be totally untrue. She eventually emerges from the back fully dressed and ready to leave with the guy. Boo! She comes over and gives me a big hug and tells me to take her friend -- who I had called off stage once I saw Irin was not going with me. Anyhow, pretty seriously disappointing, but via text we establish she was bummed the night before when I didn't show. So I guess we both just disappointed each other.

I actually have a pretty great time on the couch with her friend and one of the hostesses who is her friend. They make a Steve sandwich and are lightly cock stroking as I sip and watch the show. I alternately make out with each of them, which is really nice too. Eventually I take the girl with the more womanly build that was bringing it so hard on the stage -- she's just a bundle of fun.

Back in the room, she is a very experienced girl but in a good way. Very good BJ, very good sex. Can't even recall if I came or not here 3 girls later as I write this. But was a great time. So all in all a very nice night two with a pull from Billboard that was smoking hot and very good in the room and a pull from Butterflies that was a shade off of hot but a very fun and sweet girl. Great night. But more to come tomorrow. Stay tuned.

So we have six girls in the rearview -- two just BJs but they were spectacular enough I'm going to count them -- and its day three. Hoping to make the most of my last day here, and spoiler alert, I did!

Before getting to girl stuff, let me recommend the MBK mall to you. Its a bit of a train ride and hike from Nana, but definitely worth it. Its an epic seven floors of shops and restaurants and knock offs. There is a whole floor pretty much of knock off bags and watches and clothes. It's a lot of fun.

After hitting MBK, I decided to check out Mango which has been recommended by forum members of late. Guess I went around 2:30. There is a Starbucks right across and a high end mall with a mens bathroom right near starbucks so recommend a quick cooldown and recharge before hitting Mango.

Mango did not disappoint. On arrival they call the girls for lineup and wow, there are like 20 and they are all fuckable! Not a fatty in the group and some very very pretty. She asks me to choose and I say that I know a couple girls from the Line (like WhatsApp) group and I like Pey Pey and Nut. She points them both out and says which one? Wow, they are both great, but Nut lights me up like fireworks so I take her and its off to the room for Nuru.

Let me say that if you have had Nuru at a high end soapy this is not that. The bath area is quite small and so I stick out of the bath area into the room lying on the air mattress. And the Nuru itself is not top notch, but damn I couldn't give two flying fucks because I am in love. Nut is 100% my dream girl and she is sliding her pussy all over my dick while I gaze at her perfect face (I like a traditional darker Thai girl with full lips and wow, Nut is all that!

She is SUPER service oriented and speaks actually great english -- best of the trip by far. So we do very nice slip and slide and then wash off a bit for the bed. Goddamn I am in love with this girl. Her BJ is a little toothy but I don't care and its otherwise quite good with excellent BLS. And the fucking to die for with her perfect Thai girl body. Mish, doggie, cowgirl, the Steve. We do it all. For the finish we lose the condom and I nut in her mouth (pun intended). Wow. What a girl. I try to get her out for dinner but she ghosts me. Boo! I would have so flown that girl anywhere.

After a bit of cooldown, its too early to hit Nana so I decide to stroll the beer bars, which are pretty dead around 5 PM or so. But I stop into one for a game of pool and this turns into a whale of a time. I am playing with an impossibly slim girl with maybe a 6 face for me, but as we drink it gets progressively more handsy and cuddly and I know I will take her. But first some EPIC pool.

We break up into two teams. Me and my girl against two mamasans. And we basically slaughter them. One of the mamas is pretty good but inconsistent and the other not so good. We play like seven games and take a break when this other bar girl shows up. Fuck she can play. So I play against her and hold my own, but she beats me two times in a row. I mean a real pro.

Well I end up running up a HUGE (by Thai standards) bar bill of 3500 baht because I've been buying all four of them drinks plus myself for maybe four hours I guess. It was just a ton of fun. But I finally barfine my girl (2000+700) and she is THRILLED.

Quick aside. All the bargirls were quite cute. Not any less pretty than the girls at Nana plaza from my viewpoint. If you want to save a few bucks on takeout, this is a great option (though I spent it back in drinks!

In the room, we have a really great time. She is a pleaser and we do all the usual stuff. She has great BJ skills and very accommodating, but I can't bust a nut again, no matter how I try. She's very disappointed but I assure her its not her fault. They always ask me why I don't cum and I say I am old and too much drink. Both of which are true. But I fail to mention that I just fucked another girl and shot a hot load in her mouth. LOL.

By now, its like 10:30 and I haven't eaten dinner yet. So I drop by Hemingways which I will definitely recommend. The Wagyu ribeye, while not cheap ($50 USD) with truffle sauce is the best thing I have had in a while -- and I eat good when traveling -- so yeah, it was damn good.

My plan is to try to check out Levels, which is in my hotel anyhow and see what the vibe is, but leave enough time to pull a Nana chick if its a fail. I end up checking out both Levels and Sugar Club and they are virtually identical. 400 Baht entry includes one drink. Two professional dance girls up on stage -- really good actually -- and a hopping atmosphere. It would be a great club to go to with your girl. But in both cases there is a dearth of freelancers there and I exit after maybe 20 minutes of taking in the vibe.

So its off to Nana, I go! I decide to hit up Bunny 2 first, which is on the first floor as I had a good pull there last year. And this visit was great and awful all at once. Great was there was this 5 ft nothing hottie with banging natural the cups -- I shit you not -- and she was just bringing the dance and sex appeal like she would fuck your cock straight off you. So I bring her down for drink.

She is a fucking spitfire on my lap. First she is back grinding, and puts my hands on her tits and I am digging this. But then she turns around and straddles me and starts cowgirl grinding me. Wow. And kissing me. And gets out her tit and puts it in my mouth and so I am kneading her naked tits and they are FINE. And then she puts my hand inside her bikini and on her naked pussy. I mean a full on assault.

Well this sounds amazing and it was, but when I go to bar fine her she says she's on her period and can't. I suspect this is just an act as she is the master of sucking drinks out of you. She is drinking like a fish and I am buying for the mamasans and before I know it my bill is 1750 and I have to bail before I bleed any more on a non-bar-fine girl. But fuck she was fun and I wish I coulda nailed her.

So now its almost 1 oclock and I start to think I need to pull someone before its too late. I go to Billboard and honestly a lot of the girls musta been pulled because the stage is light. The white bikinis mean the camel toe is on point and Moon is there, so we exchange a glance or two, but I really want to pull someone new.

Over to Butterflies I hang for a bit, but Irin is not there and none of the rest of the talent inspires me. I noticed that Bunny had some really built girls, not so many pixies so I decide to try Bunny Balcony which is a super long shot since they pull me in and I am the only guy there with 12 or so girls dancing.

Well it doesn't take long to pick my girl. She stands out as super sexy and giving me the doe eyes and a rockin womans body, which I was hoping for after my pixies but not sure I'd find.

I call here down and she is thrilled. Gives me some good back grind while I get her a lady's drink. Sweet girl and affectionate and so, pulling a Bunny out of a hat (intended again!) I pull her are 1:55 AM with closing at 2! She is over the moon and its 3000+1000 I think.

Back in the room its a great time. I am pretty much fucked out at this point, but the Cialis is on point and I remain hard. She gives a very nice blowjob but the fucking is the highlight. I am totally surprised how tight she is -- I don't know if she is new or what, but holy fuck -- I have to ease my way in over a minute or so of gasping, grimacing and oohing. I have to go in a bit and out and a bit farther. Its fucking maddening and hornifying at the same time. But eventually I'm in and its ON!

Lots of fucking in Mish, and the Steve, with great making out. Doggie at end of the bed. Really great and lots of it. I know at this point its unlikely I can cum, but she is getting more and more vocal but in a very real way where I know she is building.

I put her on cowgirl and let her use me as a boytoy and does she ever. She is just grinding like her life depended on it -- does nothing for me, but man she is building and building and building and getting faster and faster. I let her grind me for surely 15 minutes and she is up to hummingbird pace. I have never seen anything like it -- she wants that O so bad and if she can just grind faster and a bit more. And BAMMM she has the biggest O from fucking I've ever seen. This was no act.

She collapses like a limp fish on me and kisses me and thanks me. And honest to god even though I didn't cum it was thrilling. Just being able to watch that unfold with my hard cock inside her was the most amazing thing.

And so, I close out the Bangkok trifecta on day 3 -- a massage girl, a bar girl, and a gogo girl. All great in their own way. And the trifecta is complete!

[QUOTE=Koogler;2936443]Can booking sites like Agoda or Priceline be trusted when reserving a hotel?

The price difference is almost $200-$300 when comparing the price directly with the hotel.

Seeing a lot of horror stories online or posts to avoid these booking websites makes me hesitant but I could really use the savings if legit.

Please advise.[/QUOTE]I use Agoda and have been using it for many years.

Heading into Phnom Penh via BKK. First day we got in late and decided to head straight to Nana and Billboard. Our last trip there the girls were plenty and some very hot ones to watch. This time still plenty but the quality not as high. Did eventually see one that I thought might be worth a drink or two, my wingman also picked one out that suited his taste. Eventually head back to the hotel after paying the usual barfine and girl fee. In bed she was a little bit of an actress but at times seemed like she was also into her work. Was not a GFE or even offered it but the sex was enjoyable and I did get to give her a good load. WIR, no because too many others in that bar to try!

The next day we headed late afternoon into the billard bars along Nana. Have to say that last time we were there we had fun with some of the girls but this time there was very little worth talking or buying drinks for. Eventually we headed back into Nana Plaza and went into Angel Witch first. Not a lot of talent and many of the girls had bolt-ONS in full display. We then moved onto Billboard again. The numbers again were high and this time a few more better lookers. I spotted one that was my type and spent a few hours having a few drinks and the regular small talk and lap grinding. My wingman got stung by one of the girls who he did not confirm would go with him but was happy to drink with him. Rookie error as he should have asked if she would go and he wasted time and money on her. The mamasan tried to offer him another few girls but he was already pissed off. We headed out with only my girl in hand back to the hotel. In the room she did not disappoint with some GFE action and some very nice sex. She was into her work and was good at it. WIR, yes because she was a pleasure to be with. We are off the PP next and I will post up a report on that thread. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2936329]
One thing I have never heard mentioned here is girls that receive water soorts. I guess there must be some somewhere.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure than can be arranged in demonia.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2935928]Obviously the lineups change often so you have to checkout a few, but if younger spinners is what you're searching for I suggest Red Dragon, Geshia, BKK Twister and Billboard. Any bar could have a couple but these 4 would probably have the most on any given night. Rainbow 4 also but I don't like that bar so I don't often recommend it. Rainbow 5 and Butterflies have had good girls in the past but their current lineups are weak.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I dropped by both late last night. Red Dragon around 00:30, and sat there for half an hour or so as they have a new mamasan (working two months she said) who did a really good job at pretending she likes me, or something like that. She was fun to sit and talk with anyhow.

I'll agree the girls were a bit better than what I noticed on my sightseeing a week earlier, but still all tatted up bargirls mostly (not that one can expect anything else here). Anyway, mamasan asked me what I wanted, and brought over a no baby, no silicon, not fat girl. I could see she was not really my type immediately, but she looked half-decent apart from that. No silicone indeed, but had tits, and didn't notice any obvious tattoos either. I wasn't going to barfine her, but bought her a ladydrink anyway, which the scheming mamasan I could hear in thai increased to two upon ordering.

Mamasan was a bit of a character, so I let it pass. Not a ripping me off vibe, but more the feeling the was kind of looking after her girls and trying to get them as much as possible. The two drinks were 540 I think, so 270 each. Also bought mamasan 3-4 drinks during the stay, but she said hers were only 60 b each (true).

Anyway, after 10-15 minutes of sitting with this girl (still in the company of mamasan on my other side), she grinding on a bit and mamasan encouraging / pushing her (turned out the girl was a bit new), I thanked the girl for the company and sent her away.

I thought I had seen one or two girls I would like more on stage, but when studying them a bit more I saw I was wrong. Told mamasan I'll go look in another bar, but might be back later. She cried her crocodile tears, and I went to check out Geisha. At that time it was around 01:15. Still plenty of girls, and the naked show in the baththub they have going was amusing (only noticed it upon exiting, so hung around for another half minute to just look), but didn't see anyone I fancied much, so went back to Red dragon.

Sat down there again, and after mamasan noticed me she came up to me again, and I asked her to bring over that girl from before again. Asked the girl if she wanted to go short-time with me, she said yes, I asked how much, she exchanged some words in Thai with mamasan I could neither hear nor understand, and answered 4,000. I repeated I was asking for st, not LT, but yeah, 4,000 was what they wanted, so I just said no thanks, bye, and girl took off again. Mamasan hung around for a bit longer, and asked how much I would pay. I suggested 2,500 (afaik, the going rate is 3,000), but she said cannot. After some more seconds she asked if I would pay 3000, to which I said ok. She went to talk with the girl again, and girl came back. Chatted a bit with the girl to gauge if she was pissed / insulted, in which case I'd balk as the session would probably be bad, but she seemed fine. Mamasan pestered me to buy some more ladydrinks for the girl, but I just told her non-verbally to fuck off. In a polite way of course, as she had treated me nice and was cool to hang around with.

Exchanged a few word since mamasan wanted me to pay both the barfine (1000) and the ST fee at the bar, but I said I would pay the girl the 3000 directly after we had finished. Mamasan had me "promise" I would do that, which I of course did. Girl herself did not mention it.

Strangely enough, the girl I wanted to barfine at Soi Cowboy some weeks ago also insisted on that, and in the end refused to go with me because I refused to pay up front. I known not much, but I know that has never been the modus operandi and I know it's not a good idea to do. Soi Cowboy girl asked me "what, you don't trust me and think I will run away? You can come back to the bar then and complain, you know". I told her the same "what, you don't trust me and think I won't pay you?" But as said, neither of us budged, so I left with money unspent.

Girl went and got her stuff, and we got a taxi to my place 5 minutes away. Showered together, and I started to fuck her in the shower. She mentioned something about condom, but I ignored it and she did not stop me. Continued on the bed, with her asking me why I not use condom, but I again just ignored her. Did some different positions, and I guess she could feel I did not have all that much left. Unlike our other hero's girls here, she did not beg me to come inside, but instead asked me to not finish inside. I told her I've had a vasectomy already, so she does not need to worry about baby, and then that was fine (why these girls are not on the pill I could not understand 20 years ago, and still don't). Girl went to shower, and then left. Good experience per se, though girl is a bit older than I would like when I'm paying for it (around 26 perhaps?). And facially a bit different from my preference, though still a decent looking 7.

After finishing at gym today a bit after two, I looked at fiwfans for a bit and saw there was a new girl working at my favourite hotel (the Kokotel on Suk. 55), though not from the usual TSG agency from which usually all girls on this hotel are booked via. So booked her for 20 minutes later. A few BTS-stops and mototaxi ride later I was at her door. Listed as 25 year old (perhaps true. She confirmed it too), and one of the better fiwfans experiences. Breasts somewhat droopy, but bigger than the average Thai girl. I'm not into licking the pussy of working girls (never done it), but this girl was wanting me to do that, asking me several times, trying to persuade me to 69, etc. I declined however, as I'm not paying money to please her, but to be pleased. One of the few fiwfans girl I've met who however seems to genuinely enjoy her job. Singing and chatting away happily after I had finished and she was on her way to take a shower.

While she was in the heat of the moment, or doing a pretty good job at pretending to, I said I wanted to take of the condom. She said 1000 extra for that, which I agreed too, but she then said I could not come inside. My vasectomy spiel was not enough to convince her (seems she was not sure I was telling the truth), so I declined the offer, and on with the condom (new) again.

Her english was decent enough too, as far as non-farangified thai girls go. I'm thinking she might be a decent recommendation for the brothers here who enjoy licking working girl pussy, and a girl who provides pretty decent service, if for no other reason than that see seems to get some enjoyment out of the sex too. 1500 for 60 minutes, and the hotel is a proper 3 star hotel, unlike a lot of 1-2 star rooms other fiwfan girls stay in. I'd rate this girl as around 7, but more my type than the go-go girl from the night before.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2936507]I'm pretty sure than can be arranged in demonia.[/QUOTE]A fetish and fantasy club on Soi 33. Never heard of it before and the web site is a bit vague regarding what's on offer.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2936518]
Sat down there again, and after mamasan noticed me she came up to me again, and I asked her to bring over that girl from before again. Asked the girl if she wanted to go short-time with me, she said yes, I asked how much, she exchanged some words in Thai with mamasan I could neither hear nor understand, and answered 4,000. I repeated I was asking for st, not LT, but yeah, 4,000 was what they wanted, so I just said no thanks, bye, and girl took off again. Mamasan hung around for a bit longer, and asked how much I would pay. I suggested 2,500 (afaik, the going rate is 3,000), but she said cannot. After some more seconds she asked if I would pay 3000, to which I said ok. She went to talk with the girl again, and girl came back.

Exchanged a few word since mamasan wanted me to pay both the barfine (1000) and the ST fee at the bar, but I said I would pay the girl the 3000 directly after we had finished. Mamasan had me "promise" I would do that, which I of course did. Girl herself did not mention it.

Her english was decent enough too, as far as non-farangified thai girls go. I'm thinking she might be a decent recommendation for the brothers here who enjoy licking working girl pussy, and a girl who provides pretty decent service, if for no other reason than that see seems to get some enjoyment out of the sex too. 1500 for 60 minutes, and the hotel is a proper 3 star hotel, unlike a lot of 1-2 star rooms other fiwfan girls stay in. I'd rate this girl as around 7, but more my type than the go-go girl from the night before.[/QUOTE]Nice report, but hooker prices in Thailand are way to high and getting out of control plus paying for the LD's and Barfines. People always assume that pussy is very cheap in Thailand, but paying around $100 short time is not cheap imo! And don't let me get started with Thermae Cafe and the upscale places. There are other countries in SEA and Latin America with cheaper pussy.

I think fiwfans is the place to get a bang for your buck, only thing to keep in mind is the photoshopping of the girls by the agency. My rule is always take the cheapest option for the first time and try to extent the session if the girl is what you expected and if there is chemistry.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2936473]Is this the Nut you are referring to?[/QUOTE]Yes that's her. Pretty good likeness. Damn she slays me.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935889]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2934537&viewfull=1#post2934537[/QUOTE]Thank you. Very very good to know.

My recent evening at the Marock PR Club in Bangkok was one for the books. As soon as we walked in, the vibe was electricbright lights, pulsating music, gorgeous Thai PR girls, and a crowd that was there to have a good time. We were greeted with warm smiles from the hostesses, who immediately made us feel welcome. We had pre-selected our models for the night, and they joined us at our table, making sure we were never without a drink in hand.

The night quickly turned into a blur of laughter and clinking glasses. We ordered fancy shot trays that came out on sparkling platters, each drink more elaborate than the last. The drinking games began, with our hostesses encouraging us to participate and even teaching us a few local ones. The games were simple yet hilariously effective at getting everyone involved and each round had us taking shot after shot, the energy only building as the night went on. My favorite part was doing body shots off my model.

As we drank, the conversation flowed easily in Thai. I was there with a group of my Thai colleagues from work. Our hostesses were charming and engaging, making sure we were entertained at all times. The fee for drinking with the girls was steep, but worth every baht, as their company elevated the experience from a regular night out to something truly memorable. We knew we were paying not just for the drinks, but for their time, attention, and the lively atmosphere they helped create.

By the end of the night, I had hit it off with my hostess. There was a natural chemistry between us that couldn't be ignored. When the bar finally closed, I was lucky enough to be able to take her out, that's right luck. It felt like the perfect ending to an already incredible evening. Her photo attached.

We arrived back at my hotel and we were both pretty drunk. She took care of me very well. Washed me from head to toe in the shower, a wonderful massage, and one of the best sessions I have had in a while. She never said those immortal words "cum inside me", but I still never had to use a condom, so I was happy enough to pull out and blow on her ass after a great view in doggy. The way she woke me up the next day was also priceless. Stroking my cock up and down and then a sloppy BJ. I just lay there enjoying every second of it until I exploded in her mouth. Her running to the bathroom to spit was hilarious. Luckily I can speak Thai, so I think that is how I pulled this off. Don't ask me what I paid for her because I doin't want to think about the negatives Lol.

The fees for spending time with the girls were part of the deal, as nothing comes for free in a place like this and these types of PR girls are never free as well, but in the end, the experience was priceless. It wasn't just about the drinking or the games; it was about the connection, the thrill of the night, the hot white skinned ladies and the memory of that evening at Marock that will stay with me for a long time.

This place was 100 times better than the Pimp.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2936584]Nice report, but hooker prices in Thailand are way to high and getting out of control plus paying for the LD's and Barfines. People always assume that pussy is very cheap in Thailand, but paying around $100 short time is not cheap imo! And don't let me get started with Thermae Cafe and the upscale places. There are other countries in SEA and Latin America with cheaper pussy.

I think fiwfans is the place to get a bang for your buck, only thing to keep in mind is the photoshopping of the girls by the agency. My rule is always take the cheapest option for the first time and try to extent the session if the girl is what you expected and if there is chemistry.[/QUOTE]S9 me of us don't have "cheap" in our requirements.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2936717]My recent evening at the Marock PR Club in Bangkok was one for the books. As soon as we walked in, the vibe was electricbright lights, pulsating music, gorgeous Thai PR girls, and a crowd that was there to have a good time. We were greeted with warm smiles from the hostesses, who immediately made us feel welcome. We had pre-selected our models for the night, and they joined us at our table, making sure we were never without a drink in hand.

The night quickly turned into a blur of laughter and clinking glasses. We ordered fancy shot trays that came out on sparkling platters, each drink more elaborate than the last. The drinking games began, with our hostesses encouraging us to participate and even teaching us a few local ones. The games were simple yet hilariously effective at getting everyone involved and each round had us taking shot after shot, the energy only building as the night went on. My favorite part was doing body shots off my model.

As we drank, the conversation flowed easily in Thai. I was there with a group of my Thai colleagues from work. Our hostesses were charming and engaging, making sure we were entertained at all times. The fee for drinking with the girls was steep, but worth every baht, as their company elevated the experience from a regular night out to something truly memorable. We knew we were paying not just for the drinks, but for their time, attention, and the lively atmosphere they helped create..[/QUOTE]Nice report. Makes me wish the quacks would let me drink again (medication conflict) so I could go party like a rockstar instead of walking into a venue and leaving 10 minutes later with my 10 minute girlfriend, then a snack and sleep by midnight.

This is why Thailand rules. So many different ways to get laid.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2936584]Nice report, but hooker prices in Thailand are way to high and getting out of control plus paying for the LD's and Barfines. People always assume that pussy is very cheap in Thailand, but paying around $100 short time is not cheap imo! And don't let me get started with Thermae Cafe and the upscale places. There are other countries in SEA and Latin America with cheaper pussy.

I think fiwfans is the place to get a bang for your buck, only thing to keep in mind is the photoshopping of the girls by the agency. My rule is always take the cheapest option for the first time and try to extent the session if the girl is what you expected and if there is chemistry.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. With the exception of FF and a few oilies P4 P in LOS is expensive. Hard to swallow paying in excess of 100 USD for what one used to pay 12-25 USD for. Post covid prices went sky high.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2936766]Could not agree more. With the exception of FF and a few oilies P4 P in LOS is expensive. Hard to swallow paying in excess of 100 USD for what one used to pay 12-25 USD for. Post covid prices went sky high.[/QUOTE]Sir, I don't disagree with the first part of your post but your last sentence is total bullshit. Prices have been high for a while now. Post Covid go-go bar prices and TF girls prices are exactly the same as precovid with few exceptions.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2936771]Sir, I don't disagree with the first part of your post but your last sentence is total bullshit. Prices have been high for a while now. Post Covid go-go bar prices and TF girls prices are exactly the same as precovid with few exceptions.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Goatscrot;2936766]Could not agree more. With the exception of FF and a few oilies P4 P in LOS is expensive. Hard to swallow paying in excess of 100 USD for what one used to pay 12-25 USD for. Post covid prices went sky high.[/QUOTE]I was paying 2500 before Covid and that's what I pay now, with exceptions of course.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2936771]Sir, I don't disagree with the first part of your post but your last sentence is total bullshit. Prices have been high for a while now. Post Covid go-go bar prices and TF girls prices are exactly the same as precovid with few exceptions.[/QUOTE]Oh, I agree they have been high for years, and that includes years before covid, but I've seen a sharp increase since things opened up after covid. Of course during covid there were bargains everywhere. Now I can only speak to Bangkok not to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2936803]Oh, I agree they have been high for years, and that includes years before covid, but I've seen a sharp increase since things opened up after covid. Of course during covid there were bargains everywhere. Now I can only speak to Bangkok not to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Prices in Bangkok in general are high.

Take the example of a cocktail, even at a normal bar it's like 350-450 baht plus 10%= USD14-16 and the more trendy ones would be 550-700 baht.

What's ironic is that at these bars an entire meal is only 250-350.

Dining out is also really expensive. I do sometimes like to try the omakase, I had one at the Nikko hotel which was kushikatsu and 5,000 baht. About 6 months I was at Shibuya sky in Tokyo and I realized the exact meal in a nice mall, also omakase was only USD50. So you're talking the Bangkok meal was triple the cost of the one in Tokyo itself and also at a v nice restaurant. Ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935582]
BTW, the two massage shops at the being of the Soi, close to each others, Kinaree I think one of them is named, seem to consistently have the best looking women, bar the one or two hidden gems you can find further down in some random shop, but the one or two times I've gone there, the massage was sub-par, and I did not get any BJ. I no longer remember if they insisted on 2,000, or what the problem was, but the experience turned me off to them and I've not been back. Perhaps time to make another visit I think to see if things have improved during the last one or two years I guess. My experience is however that the nearer the start of the soi, the more tourists they get, and this affects both their attitude and price, both for regular massage and extras.[/QUOTE]Well, today I did visit Kinaree, or what it's called, since I had made myself a bit curious. It was in the evening after gym and I was a bit tired, especially since a non p4 p girl from came over in the afternoon (day off for a lot of Thai people today) and I had banged her twice. So I wanted to lay down and get a decent Thai massage, and if the girl is half-decent looking, that's of course more pleasurable, even if it's only a massage.

As usual, Kinaree does seem to select the somewhat above average looking massage girls (regular massage that is). The girl / woman who's turn it was next apparently was somewhat of a "whale", to use another posters term. Normally I'd just point out another girl instead, but I was there mainly for a legit Thai massage, and thought she would be able to use her extra 30 kg of mass to give me a nice and hard massage. Apart from her weight problems, she was pleasant enough looking. Near the end of the massage I got the expected offer, of a HJ, which I just shrugged off. She was a bit disappointed in this, and babbled on with something. My Thai is pretty awful so I didn't really understand what she was saying, but think it was that due to the rain there weren't many customers and she would probably not get another customer tonight (it was around 8 pm, and raining), so could I please let her give me a HJ, or something like that. After banging 24 yo tinder girl 5-6 hours ago, I was even less than usual interested in a HJ, but suggested she could blow me.

She asked how much I would give, in response which I told her my standard price of 1000. She wasn't overly enthusiastic about this, but seemed to agree, but also whispered sweetly in my ear that the standard price was 1000 for HJ and 2000 for BJ. I told her never mind that, I will give you a 1000. She then began making the necessary preparations with some wet tissues, and asked me if I was going to cum in her mouth, which I confirmed. She said that would be 1500, which I again just laughed off. She said something more, but by then I was getting slightly bored, so just told her in thai that we have finished talking. Apparently my Thai is bad enough that the way I said that made her roll over laughing. I then informed her I don't like girls that talk a lot, which apparently also was funny to her.

She asked me if I wanted her to take off her top, to which I said I could care less, but this seemed to saden her a bit, so I said, sure, and she bared her rather beautiful pair of tits, encouraging me to squeeze them rather harder than I normally would. She then proceeded to give a rather competent BJ.
I tried to force her to deepthroat, and she managed to almost do it, which was quite impressive to me. Just about 2 cm left, but apparently she was less ambitious about accomplishing this than I was on her behalf, and she did not see the good in repeatedly trying until succeeding at this task. After nutting half in her mouth, half god knows where as she pulled away with the force of a small elephant, she did the remainder of the massage, and I paid up before leaving the cubicle.

Also gave her an extra 100 baht for the massage itself, as it was competent. It was actually competent enough that I asked her to extend from one hour to two hours early on, but she said that would make her too tired. As I was leaving she offered me to come back tomorrow for two hours, but that's not likely to happen, as already the thai massage at this shop is 50% (150 baht) more expensive per hour than the shops you will find further down the same soi. The cubicles here are better though, in that they have actual doors that you can lock/close. I'm guessing some discreet FS may also be possible here if there are not many other customers and you do not repulse the woman too much.

Finally made it back to Thailand after almost one year. It took three flights and some 40 hours to get here, yikes. It was an arduous journey to say the least. From now on, I plan to stay a night in TOK before continuing the journey to Thailand from the US of A.

A few thoughts on BKK:

-TF sucked, never used it, never saw any women worth seeing off of it.

-Walked around many of the monger areas and mostly the women are older and average looking at best.

-Mostly used the services of MPs in the Phrom Phong area. Experiences were standard and good overall, but again, the women were average.

-On my first day I went to Wood Bar and the lineup was atrocious. But wanted to just bust a nut as I hadn't in over a month. Asked mamasan which lady takes facial. Picked the one that said I do and gave her a facial. Anyways, would not return. Nothing but old and unattractive options at Wood.

-Given how bad the lineup is at Wood, I tried 7 Heaven for the first time, surprised to see a BJ is 1,300 THB, compared to 800 THB at Wood, seems gravely overpriced. Which is BKK mongering in a nutshell, overpriced for average women.

-Is Thailand falling off when it comes to mongering? Overpriced pay for play for average older women. I spent my week mostly doing sight seeing and eating good food around BKk. Only sessioned a few times. Currently in Pattaya, hopefully it's better value than BKK.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2936863]Finally made it back to Thailand after almost one year. It took three flights and some 40 hours to get here, yikes. It was an arduous journey to say the least. From now on, I plan to stay a night in TOK before continuing the journey to Thailand from the US of A.

A few thoughts on BKK:

-TF sucked, never used it, never saw any women worth seeing off of it.

-Walked around many of the monger areas and mostly the women are older and average looking at best.

-Mostly used the services of MPs in the Phrom Phong area. Experiences were standard and good overall, but again, the women were average.

-On my first day I went to Wood Bar and the lineup was atrocious. But wanted to just bust a nut as I hadn't in over a month. Asked mamasan which lady takes facial. Picked the one that said I do and gave her a facial. Anyways, would not return. Nothing but old and unattractive options at Wood.

-Given how bad the lineup is at Wood, I tried 7 Heaven for the first time, surprised to see a BJ is 1,300 THB, compared to 800 THB at Wood, seems gravely overpriced. Which is BKK mongering in a nutshell, overpriced for average women.

-Is Thailand falling off when it comes to mongering? Overpriced pay for play for average older women. I spent my week mostly doing sight seeing and eating good food around BKk. Only sessioned a few times. Currently in Pattaya, hopefully it's better value than BKK.[/QUOTE]Good summation of your experiences. Yeah, I've done that 3-flight journey from California a few times. I usually take EVA. ONCE, I spent a night in Taiwan (travelling on Northwest in economy). More trouble than it's worth. Considering the cost of a hotel, food, etc. , might be better to splurge on biz class (unless you've already been doing that).

Yep. Price for ANY pussy in BKK has gone up. They must think we are all mercy fucks (when the truth is, that is what most of them are).

I haven't been to a BJ bar in 40 years. LOL Not my thing. Same with "massage" joints. I used to enjoy the go go bars until a few years ago when prices for drinks, bar fines, and long times went from "stupid" to "insane". Just my opinion.

I've been to Pattaya a few times, always returning to BKK a day or more earlier than I planned. Looking at videos on YouTube of what is currently available, I have seen VERY few worthy of my precious bodily fluids (much less, my baht).

The so-called "gentleman's" clubs seem to have a better selection.

For me, I've been enjoying the scene in Phnom Penh more in the last few years.

Hoping part 2 of your trip brings a more positive experience.

Sam.

I've had my fair share of dark skinned Thai ladies and I'm looking for variety. I've grown some interest for the pale skin East-Asian looking women with elegant / classy clothing and makeup who roam around malls, office buildings or in the company of Korean dudes.

In which massage places, brothels or other venues can I find such women for some fun?

[QUOTE=Baygon01;2936939]I've had my fair share of dark skinned Thai ladies and I'm looking for variety. I've grown some interest for the pale skin East-Asian looking women with elegant / classy clothing and makeup who roam around malls, office buildings or in the company of Korean dudes.

In which massage places, brothels or other venues can I find such women for some fun?[/QUOTE]Quite a lot of choice to be fair.

You've got Thermae which mainly caters to East Asian preferences and also gogos like Baccara also the same.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2936863]Finally made it back to Thailand after almost one year. It took three flights and some 40 hours to get here, yikes. It was an arduous journey to say the least. From now on, I plan to stay a night in TOK before continuing the journey to Thailand from the US of A.

A few thoughts on BKK:

-TF sucked, never used it, never saw any women worth seeing off of it.

-Walked around many of the monger areas and mostly the women are older and average looking at best.

-Mostly used the services of MPs in the Phrom Phong area. Experiences were standard and good overall, but again, the women were average.

-On my first day I went to Wood Bar and the lineup was atrocious. But wanted to just bust a nut as I hadn't in over a month. Asked mamasan which lady takes facial. Picked the one that said I do and gave her a facial. Anyways, would not return. Nothing but old and unattractive options at Wood.

-Given how bad the lineup is at Wood, I tried 7 Heaven for the first time, surprised to see a BJ is 1,300 THB, compared to 800 THB at Wood, seems gravely overpriced. Which is BKK mongering in a nutshell, overpriced for average women.

-Is Thailand falling off when it comes to mongering? Overpriced pay for play for average older women. I spent my week mostly doing sight seeing and eating good food around BKk. Only sessioned a few times. Currently in Pattaya, hopefully it's better value than BKK.[/QUOTE]Pretty spot on assessment of things nowadays. Well there are some gyms in the oilies, performance and looks normally take different directions when compared to each other. FiwFans is still quite good but you have to have the patience to do the research. Other than that, nah, not much interesting, and not good value for money.

I just returned from BKK, TF is total waste of time and money. Most good looking girls are looking for big fish / bucks. The average and below average asking 2500.

I will never ever monger in BKK and will straight go to Pattaya, I had much better luck on TF in Pattaya area, since Pattaya is small and girl can be at your door step just in 15- to 30 mints.

The only blow job bar I love is 7 Heaven, I know its expensive but the quality is far better then wood bar, I only see Fugglies.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2936863]Finally made it back to Thailand after almost one year. It took three flights and some 40 hours to get here, yikes. It was an arduous journey to say the least. From now on, I plan to stay a night in TOK before continuing the journey to Thailand from the US of A.

A few thoughts on BKK:

-TF sucked, never used it, never saw any women worth seeing off of it.

-Walked around many of the monger areas and mostly the women are older and average looking at best.

-Mostly used the services of MPs in the Phrom Phong area. Experiences were standard and good overall, but again, the women were average..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2936805]Prices in Bangkok in general are high.

Take the example of a cocktail, even at a normal bar it's like 350-450 baht plus 10%= USD14-16 and the more trendy ones would be 550-700 baht.

What's ironic is that at these bars an entire meal is only 250-350.

Dining out is also really expensive. I do sometimes like to try the omakase, I had one at the Nikko hotel which was kushikatsu and 5,000 baht. About 6 months I was at Shibuya sky in Tokyo and I realized the exact meal in a nice mall, also omakase was only USD50. So you're talking the Bangkok meal was triple the cost of the one in Tokyo itself and also at a v nice restaurant. Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]One tourist Hotel Japanese restaurant does not a generalization make. Bangkok is a cheap eats place. Cocktails are cocktails in NY, London, Bangkok and elsewhere.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2936921]Good summation of your experiences. Yeah, I've done that 3-flight journey from California a few times. I usually take EVA. ONCE, I spent a night in Taiwan (travelling on Northwest in economy). More trouble than it's worth. Considering the cost of a hotel, food, etc. , might be better to splurge on biz class (unless you've already been doing that).

Yep. Price for ANY pussy in BKK has gone up. They must think we are all mercy fucks (when the truth is, that is what most of them are).

I haven't been to a BJ bar in 40 years. LOL Not my thing. Same with "massage" joints. I used to enjoy the go go bars until a few years ago when prices for drinks, bar fines, and long times went from "stupid" to "insane". Just my opinion.

I've been to Pattaya a few times, always returning to BKK a day or more earlier than I planned. Looking at videos on YouTube of what is currently available, I have seen VERY few worthy of my precious bodily fluids (much less, my baht)..[/QUOTE]WODR, PP is a boring shithole and a far worse place to monger than BKK.

As of my last visit in June, I found the talent in BKK to be excellent in all the venues I use.

With the disclaimer that I agree surely prices have gone up. And that I like tiny darker thai girls. I will politely disagree with the last few posters who shit all over Thailand.

There are plenty of cute girls for my aesthetic. A top of the line BJ for $28 is a value in any country in the world. And fucking s gogo or massage girl with a pretty face (for me and all the guys I sent pics to) for $85-115 is also a darn good worldwide value.

So those new to the scene please dont be discouraged by the recent posts. There are plenty of us that still love Thailand even if it's not as good as the good old days.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2937001]With the disclaimer that I agree surely prices have gone up. And that I like tiny darker thai girls. I will politely disagree with the last few posters who shit all over Thailand.

There are plenty of cute girls for my aesthetic. A top of the line BJ for $28 is a value in any country in the world. And fucking s gogo or massage girl with a pretty face (for me and all the guys I sent pics to) for $85-115 is also a darn good worldwide value.

So those new to the scene please dont be discouraged by the recent posts. There are plenty of us that still love Thailand even if it's not as good as the good old days.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I'm there once a month or so and still loving it, even though it was better in the 90's when guys were still saying it was better in the 70's.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2936992]One tourist Hotel Japanese restaurant does not a generalization make. Bangkok is a cheap eats place. Cocktails are cocktails in NY, London, Bangkok and elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Not just one but I've been some in other areas not just Sukhumvit & it's standard 4-6,000 baht for an omakase set. Steakhouses, decent European meals are pretty much the same price as HK which is ridiculous given the enormous difference in rent which is one of the main costs of a restaurant.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2936921]Good summation of your experiences. Yeah, I've done that 3-flight journey from California a few times. I usually take EVA. ONCE, I spent a night in Taiwan (travelling on Northwest in economy). More trouble than it's worth. Considering the cost of a hotel, food, etc. , might be better to splurge on biz class (unless you've already been doing that).

Yep. Price for ANY pussy in BKK has gone up. They must think we are all mercy fucks (when the truth is, that is what most of them are).

I haven't been to a BJ bar in 40 years. LOL Not my thing. Same with "massage" joints. I used to enjoy the go go bars until a few years ago when prices for drinks, bar fines, and long times went from "stupid" to "insane". Just my opinion.

I've been to Pattaya a few times, always returning to BKK a day or more earlier than I planned. Looking at videos on YouTube of what is currently available, I have seen VERY few worthy of my precious bodily fluids (much less, my baht).

The so-called "gentleman's" clubs seem to have a better selection.

For me, I've been enjoying the scene in Phnom Penh more in the last few years.

Hoping part 2 of your trip brings a more positive experience.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Sounds like we are in a similar boat. I too am more stingy with my bullets as I get older, there's only so many bullets in the chamber. One thing I do is take a day off from punter activities every few days, gets the juices flowing again.

Been in Pattaya a few days now, more my cup of tea in terms of weather and non-punter activities. Ladies wise it's similar, just not a lot of lookers, but I am still having a good time. After being blue balled in America for almost year, I just can't complain too much.

[QUOTE=Baygon01;2936939]I've had my fair share of dark skinned Thai ladies and I'm looking for variety. I've grown some interest for the pale skin East-Asian looking women with elegant / classy clothing and makeup who roam around malls, office buildings or in the company of Korean dudes.

In which massage places, brothels or other venues can I find such women for some fun?[/QUOTE]This is something we would all like to know. The Korean / Japanese tourists gals come off as stuck up to me and they seem to stay in a bubble. Just an observation, not speaking from experience.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2936953]Pretty spot on assessment of things nowadays. Well there are some gyms in the oilies, performance and looks normally take different directions when compared to each other. FiwFans is still quite good but you have to have the patience to do the research. Other than that, nah, not much interesting, and not good value for money.[/QUOTE]Another thing I realize being out here is just in terms of attractiveness, how much I miss a hot latina or eastern European gal.

I'll have to think bigger and different for my next trip.

Even on this trip, I'm thinking to pivot to day game to obtain better quality. I see good looking chicks at the malls (not sure which are Thai, Jap, Korean, Chinese etc) as they all look the same to me. Going on dates is time consuming though and uninteresting.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2936965]I just returned from BKK, TF is total waste of time and money. Most good looking girls are looking for big fish / bucks. The average and below average asking 2500.

I will never ever monger in BKK and will straight go to Pattaya, I had much better luck on TF in Pattaya area, since Pattaya is small and girl can be at your door step just in 15- to 30 mints.

The only blow job bar I love is 7 Heaven, I know its expensive but the quality is far better then wood bar, I only see Fugglies.[/QUOTE]Wood Bar is scary asf at this point LOL. They even have a 800 thb and 1,000 thb tiers now LOL. I saw no difference between the ladies in either tier.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2937001]With the disclaimer that I agree surely prices have gone up. And that I like tiny darker thai girls. I will politely disagree with the last few posters who shit all over Thailand.

There are plenty of cute girls for my aesthetic. A top of the line BJ for $28 is a value in any country in the world. And fucking s gogo or massage girl with a pretty face (for me and all the guys I sent pics to) for $85-115 is also a darn good worldwide value.

So those new to the scene please dont be discouraged by the recent posts. There are plenty of us that still love Thailand even if it's not as good as the good old days.[/QUOTE]Well, many of us don't share your love of that particular aesthetic. In fact I like girls lighter a skin with more fair features. And when it comes to thin, the ratio of thin to fat is quite poor these days, and that is especially true in Go-Go's. Now if you fish in the same pond as the local punters, gals are lighter and thinner, and it is much easier to find one that hasn't had a kid.

And no, I beg to disagree, it's not a good deal worldwide. See Jakarta and many places in South America. And the biggest problem is when you go to a go-go or take a girl off the street that money is for the quickest wham-bam they can get away with. Now if the gal is going to spend a couple of hours with you, provide a GFE or a PSE, and give you multiple shots, then it isn't a bad deal.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2937137]Well, many of us don't share your love of that particular aesthetic. In fact I like girls lighter a skin with more fair features. And when it comes to thin, the ratio of thin to fat is quite poor these days, and that is especially true in Go-Go's. Now if you fish in the same pond as the local punters, gals are lighter and thinner, and it is much easier to find one that hasn't had a kid.

And no, I beg to disagree, it's not a good deal worldwide. See Jakarta and many places in South America. And the biggest problem is when you go to a go-go or take a girl off the street that money is for the quickest wham-bam they can get away with. Now if the gal is going to spend a couple of hours with you, provide a GFE or a PSE, and give you multiple shots, then it isn't a bad deal.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, 3000 Baht in Bangkok for ST and 1500ST in Pattaya considering inflation, is still better than any western country. Yes, there are places that are still cheaper, but Thailand as a complete package is still the best mongering destination in my opinion.

Goats don't be a stranger. Post more. You are one of the originals mate. We miss you.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937194]With all due respect, 3000 Baht in Bangkok for ST and 1500ST in Pattaya considering inflation, is still better than any western country. Yes, there are places that are still cheaper, but Thailand as a complete package is still the best mongering destination in my opinion.

Goats don't be a stranger. Post more. You are one of the originals mate. We miss you.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the sentiment. Haven't found many to post about really. I actually haven't had a regular in over 5 years. Just can't seem to find the right duck. Guess the closest would be Donut from Tulip but she works only occasionally. What I seem to find lacking are great BJ skills.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2936996]WODR, PP is a boring shithole and a far worse place to monger than BKK.

As of my last visit in June, I found the talent in BKK to be excellent in all the venues I use.[/QUOTE]I agree that PP is a far worse place to monger than BKK, both in terms of quantity and venues known to visitors. I'll be exploring a few places on my next trip with a Khmer wingman that is off the radar for us outsiders. I'll report info here and maybe some photos. Yes, PP is (overall) boring compared to BKK. As for "I found the talent in BKK to be excellent in all the venues I use". Kind of makes sense. If you didn't find them excellent, you wouldn't use them. LOL.

SS.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2937204]Appreciate the sentiment. Haven't found many to post about really. I actually haven't had a regular in over 5 years. Just can't seem to find the right duck. Guess the closest would be Donut from Tulip but she works only occasionally. What I seem to find lacking are great BJ skills.[/QUOTE]She was there the day I visited. You can see my report. Just yesterday I was missing the old Annies. I loved that place. Nothing close to that place anymore. The talent in Snow White was awful last time I checked and the ladies in Mango, well let's just say, they don't work at Tulip LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2937137]Well, many of us don't share your love of that particular aesthetic. In fact I like girls lighter a skin with more fair features. And when it comes to thin, the ratio of thin to fat is quite poor these days, and that is especially true in Go-Go's. Now if you fish in the same pond as the local punters, gals are lighter and thinner, and it is much easier to find one that hasn't had a kid..[/QUOTE]T-Ded 99 is the best local fishing place for me. I like it better than Fiw Fans. I am sending you a PM but your inbox is full. I’ll be heading here in a couple of weeks. PM me if interested.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2937128]Not just one but I've been some in other areas not just Sukhumvit & it's standard 4-6,000 baht for an omakase set. Steakhouses, decent European meals are pretty much the same price as HK which is ridiculous given the enormous difference in rent which is one of the main costs of a restaurant.[/QUOTE]Oh I didn't know you were a restaurant expert. So why don't you tell us what the decent European meals cost in Bangkok and where, compared to what they cost in Hong Kong or New York or London. Make sure you give us some detail to support your assertion.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937215]T-Ded 99 is the best local fishing place for me. I like it better than Fiw Fans. I am sending you a PM but your inbox is full. Ill be heading here in a couple of weeks. PM me if interested.[/QUOTE]I'the be keen to learn more about this place. Will also be in BKK in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937215]T-Ded 99 is the best local fishing place for me. I like it better than Fiw Fans. I am sending you a PM but your inbox is full. Ill be heading here in a couple of weeks. PM me if interested.[/QUOTE]I'd be interested in rolling out there again, but I probably won't be in Bangkok until the end of September.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937215]T-Ded 99 is the best local fishing place for me. I like it better than Fiw Fans. I am sending you a PM but your inbox is full. Ill be heading here in a couple of weeks. PM me if interested.[/QUOTE]It look like a gogo for Thai people.

I read in Google reviews that is cheaper tanta Nana gogo, but also that rules are different.

Can you explain us the difference?

I could go in the next days.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2937258]I'd be interested in rolling out there again, but I probably won't be in Bangkok until the end of September.[/QUOTE]Be there next month, will definitely go but am afraid will only meet you guys there. LOL.

Sounds like the start of a BKK meetup group.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937350]Sounds like the start of a BKK meetup group.[/QUOTE]Ya, maybe. I have received a few PMs. Let's see if we can make it happen. Around the 27th of this month.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937215]T-Ded 99 is the best local fishing place for me. I like it better than Fiw Fans. I am sending you a PM but your inbox is full. Ill be heading here in a couple of weeks. PM me if interested.[/QUOTE]From initial appearance it just looks like another go-go bar, so curious why you compare it to fiwfans?

Will be back in town September too, interested in checking in to!

[QUOTE=PgReal;2937400]From initial appearance it just looks like another go-go bar, so curious why you compare it to fiwfans?

Will be back in town September too, interested in checking in to![/QUOTE]I compare it to Fiew Fans because it's in an area of Bangkok that only locals know about and the customers are mostly all Thai. Fiiw Fans is also made for Thai customers. Understand now?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937430]I compare it to Fiew Fans because it's in an area of Bangkok that only locals know about and the customers are mostly all Thai. Fiiw Fans is also made for Thai customers. Understand now?[/QUOTE]Yeah a bunch of foreigners in a group might not be as welcome as a lone Thai speaking Farang. I might be wrong but I bet the local guys are not going to be too happy if we start overrunning the place.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2937501]Yeah a bunch of foreigners in a group might not be as welcome as a lone Thai speaking Farang. I might be wrong but I bet the local guys are not going to be too happy if we start overrunning the place.[/QUOTE]I've been to enough Thai bars and Thai discos to know that even if I go alone I get very dirty looks if I start buying a drink for one of "their girls". Never been to T-Ded but if it's like the places I go to you need to tread gently.

I've been to many of these group meet ups around the world and it's usually a group of "oddballs" of a wide age range and race that girls wonder how we all "know" each other. A meet up at Thermae may be more suitable cause that's just a cluster fuck of "oddballs" anyways.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937508]I've been to enough Thai bars and Thai discos to know that even if I go alone I get very dirty looks if I start buying a drink for one of "their girls". Never been to T-Ded but if it's like the places I go to you need to tread gently.[/QUOTE]If it's still like it was pre-covid you won't get a dirty look from Thai customers. These guys are there for their own entertainment. Most probably if you're entertaining one of the girls one of these guys is eying, what he could do is call her over and spend more money on her than you're doing.

But expect to tip everyone in that kind of place, girl, waiters, waitress, managers, even the door man.

Look of the girls was below the quality that one could find in a touristic located gogo bar too, so not sure why everyone looks interrested in that place suddenly.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2937303]It look like a gogo for Thai people.

I read in Google reviews that is cheaper tanta Nana gogo, but also that rules are different.

Can you explain us the difference?

I could go in the next days.[/QUOTE]There's an older blog about these places called "Sephan Kwai", you can read it, there is everything you need to know about it. Some of the information might be outdated, but you'll get a good feeling of the place.

Here is the last post of the blog:

[QUOTE=Member#4591;2252645]T-det is the name of the best bar there. The girls often dance on stripper poles and then come around to drink with customers. There is a very small fee to have a lady sit and drink with and the beer is cheap. There are no lady drinks and the bar really pushes you to order food for you and your chosen companion. Here, there is no bar fine. The shirt time rate is 1,500 baht for Thais and 2500 for farang. I normally pay 2000 as I am a regular. You will need to take the lady across the street to the hotel and the hotel is often included in the price you pay the bar. I often will also pay 2,500 and take the girl to my condo close by. You can get topless lap dances for 100 baht. For the local scene, paying upfront is the norm. If you don't want to pay first, don't take the chance and don't go swim with the local fish. All experiences are YMMV and Thai language skills will get you far. A good change of scenery.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937508]I've been to enough Thai bars and Thai discos to know that even if I go alone I get very dirty looks if I start buying a drink for one of "their girls". Never been to T-Ded but if it's like the places I go to you need to tread gently.

I've been to many of these group meet ups around the world and it's usually a group of "oddballs" of a wide age range and race that girls wonder how we all "know" each other. A meet up at Thermae may be more suitable cause that's just a cluster fuck of "oddballs" anyways.[/QUOTE]In the old days, posters in the old Nanapong forum met up at Woodstock, 3rd floor Nana where Geisha (is.

Thermae would be a fab meetup place for ISG freaks. Take over the back tables.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937508]I've been to enough Thai bars and Thai discos to know that even if I go alone I get very dirty looks if I start buying a drink for one of "their girls". Never been to T-Ded but if it's like the places I go to you need to tread gently.

I've been to many of these group meet ups around the world and it's usually a group of "oddballs" of a wide age range and race that girls wonder how we all "know" each other. A meet up at Thermae may be more suitable cause that's just a cluster fuck of "oddballs" anyways.[/QUOTE]This is absolutely not correct. They welcome foreigners in groups as well as loners who speak Thai. Ask for Khun Nut. He speaks perfect English and will hook you up. I have hosted 3 meet ups there already and never had any issues. I will try to do one on the 27th and you are welcome to come if I can get one organized.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2937552]There's an older blog about these places called "Sephan Kwai", you can read it, there is everything you need to know about it. Some of the information might be outdated, but you'll get a good feeling of the place.

Here is the last post of the blog:[/QUOTE]Yes, that was when I went to that club 2-3 times. I lived near that area for a year or two before I moved to the Nana area so that was my nearest "go-go" bar.

I felt quite welcome there every time I went. Bought trays of fruit and snacks for the girls. And drinks. Jokes and cute stories all around. A pleasant enough time. Good place to practice my earliest Thai language skills.

It has been years since I went there so I have no idea what it is like now.

I never took a girl from there. Among the few girls I was attracted to enough to want to fuck, I never got past a shocked and disgusted reaction to the very idea of fucking me bareback for any amount of money. And the option to get a simple BBBJCIM was a total no-go.

Therefore, I only saw it as a place to eat fruit, snacks and have a few drinks with Thai girls who might help me hone my Thai language skills and that was the end of it.

When I wanted Real Sex with cute girls, I took the skytrain ftom the Saphan Kwai area to Patpong and Nana.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937362]Ya, maybe. I have received a few PMs. Let's see if we can make it happen. Around the 27th of this month.[/QUOTE]Please include me if meetup happens as I will be in town that day.

Friends, anyone checked out Octopus Fetish Club recently. I believe this is the new name for BarBar that closed a year or 2 back. I had a good time in BarBar once a few years ago. The Octopus site doesn't have much info but I was curious if they have the same policies as before.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2937303]It look like a gogo for Thai people.

I read in Google reviews that is cheaper tanta Nana gogo, but also that rules are different.

Can you explain us the difference?

I could go in the next days.[/QUOTE]Read my post here:

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2935236]T-Ded 99.

It's a hybrid go go bar that uses the same gents club model as the Pimp, but they also have short time available with all the ladies. Hourly rates for girls drinking with you are very cheap. ST is 2500 baht including the room. It's quite a bit cheaper but there are a lot of hotties working there. Thai and Chinese customers are the main clients that go there with a few westerners like me.

Here is the google maps Link: [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/vxiazyTLjfHhEP4f9?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy[/URL].

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2937585]In the old days, posters in the old Nanapong forum met up at Woodstock, 3rd floor Nana where Geisha (is.

Thermae would be a fab meetup place for ISG freaks. Take over the back tables.[/QUOTE]I was at Woodstock every Friday back in the day, then at Gulliver's when we moved after Woodstock shut.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937651]This is absolutely not correct. They welcome foreigners in groups as well as loners who speak Thai. <snip> I will try to do one on the 27th and you are welcome to come [/QUOTE]Please re-read my post. I stated I have never been to T-Ded so my post was not about T-Ded. My post is my observations and experiences of Thai bars in Pattaya.

Thanks for the invite but I have no plans to be in Thailand for at least a couple of months at the earliest.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2937585]Thermae would be a fab meetup place for ISG freaks. Take over the back tables.[/QUOTE]

I think that would be lots of fun. Thermae is the only place I go to in Thailand and talk to guys too. I would never talk to strange guys in gogo bars unless I'm telling them to hold their cigarettes far away from me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937756]Please re-read my post. I stated I have never been to T-Ded so my post was not about T-Ded. My post is my observations and experiences of Thai bars in Pattaya.

Thanks for the invite but I have no plans to be in Thailand for at least a couple of months at the earliest..[/QUOTE]The food is not bad there either.

Well our tour to BKK and Phnom Penh has come to a very quick end. For the last night in BKK we spent a few hours playing billards around the nana area before heading up to try Spankys. While the show was interesting and somewhat entertaining, the overall quality of girls was low level. There were a couple that my wingman and I drank with and while the girls were well put together and pleasing to the eye, mine was the sort you see at most of the nana bars. Heavy tattoos and been around the circuit. The mummys kept pushing drinks and to barfine the girls. Annoying and while my wingman was keen on his, mine was the sort of girl I knew would be a clock watcher and would not provide anything near a GFE or P.S. Experience. So when I declined to barfine her she quickly moved on. Gone with the wind!

As this was my last night in BKK I decided to go back to Billboards and grab one of the girls I bar fined before. The mummy knew my face and which girl I had and within a few minutes she was by my side. After being with her before she was a lot more affectionate and very GF like. So back in the room she did not disappoint. DFK, BBBJ, multiple positions. Great finish doggy style staring a her fabulous behind and tattoos on the back. Billboard has a lot of girls and the quality is high. They are as pushy as other bars for drinks but if you want to sit with the girls and be hands-on then expect to pay.

So all in all, a very good tour and well worth our time and money spent. Happy Hunting.

In the early afternoon I ventured out to Sutthisan to try a (for me) new fiwfan girl. Required walking to the BTS train, then hopping onto the MRT, and then a grab motorbike for the last two km. Done that route so many times that it doesn't take me more than 40 minutes. Not as comfortable as in a taxi, but cheaper, and more importantly, faster without any unexpected traffic delays.

One of course never knows what to expect at fiwfans unfortunately, and thus I have learned to not expect too much, but this was one of the better surprises. A 20 yo old who did a pretty good impression of pretending she liked me (though, if she really did, would she charge me 700 extra for CIM and "big dick"? Werqweq thinks not). Paid her the listed 1600 for 60 minutes beforehand, as one always does as far as fiwfans girls are concerned.

Service was really good, starting with a shower together where she washed me like a GF, admiring my dick and commenting how big it was multiple times. Always flattering of course, no matter how big the lie, but the reason for this became apparent at the end of the session. As always, she was photoshopped up a notch or two in her fiwfans photos, but she was still a pretty girl and I'd rate her as an 8. Maybe even a 9 if her youth is included.
With fiwfans, she can look like a 10 in her photos, but behind the door an acne-ridden 5 can be hiding, only redeemed up to a 6 by her youth. So I've learned to not expect too much. This girl looked like a 9 in her photos, and was in reality an 8. So pretty good as far as fiwfans is concerned.

After the shower I laid down on the bed, where she commenced to DFK me. During this past year I've overcome my inhibitions to DFK-ing p4 p girls (as well as condoms, though I take some precautions in the form of medicine), and while hardly a requirement for me, it's something I on occasion enjoy a bit of. This girl was however really into it, more so than me, so I had to avert myself a bit. I then tried my old Jakarta-trick of pulling her on top of me to grind my dick against her pussy, seeing if I could enter, but she was careful, in a discreet way, for that to not happen. Then onto her back, with me on top, grinding a bit and continuing fondling her breasts, which were not too bad for a Thai girl. She then politely suggested I climb up higher and put my dick in her mouth while she was laying on her back, which I did for a while. Then back to her pussy with my dick, but no go at entering. So, on with the rubber, and fucked her in various positions, with her doing a pretty good job at seeming to be into it.

In the end, I pulled out, pulled off the condom, and pulled her head on top of my dick. After half a minute of this I released into her mouth. Many p4 p girls pull away immediately at the first spurt, but she kept going until I was done. Some more GFE from her, then into the shower to get rid of the apparently unwanted substance now swimming around in her mouth. After that, massaged me for a bit, then suggested I hop into the shower myself, which I promptly did.

Getting dressed afterwards she asked if I could give her a tip. I think it's only the second time I've wanted to tip a fiwfans girl (normally there is a listed surcharge for CIM, so no additional tip required for that), and I don't like when people ask me for a tip of course, but I had planned on giving her a tip as service was really good, so I said yes, and pulled out a 500 note. She looked confused, and for a moment I naively wondered if she thought it was too much and was going to say she does not have so much change, but alas, she pulled out a different "service list" than the one her agent had sent me, and on this one pointed out the extra charges for CIM and "big dick" (I guess I jinxed myself when I some weeks ago said nobody has ever complained or charged me for "big dick" before), respectively 300 and 400 extra (or reverse, my Thai was not good enough to understand her). So in fact I had to pay an additional 200. Well, ok I thought. Don't know why her list is different than what her agent sent me, but oh well. Service was good, and she did not (like most other fiwfans girls) interrupt the romance by informing me of the extra surcharge for CIM beforehand. Some more joking / GFE from her side, and I left a happy camper.

Worked out a bit and then had a massage next to Marriot on Sukhumvit 22, where I was going to have dinner. A Thai massage from a 35 year old reasonably looking woman in the nearest shop. At the end the customary Q if I wanted her to massage junior also. Said I did not know, so she proceeded with the regular Thai massage. Then she asked again some 5 minutes later, and I said ok, if she sucked. She told me that would be 2,000. I said 1000. She asked for 1500, I said 1000. She asked for 1500, including massage, but I just kept it at 1,000. She then clarified that I would indeed pay the additional 300 for the massage downstairs (I guess there are some cluebies that have somehow not understood one pays for the massage, and then one pays for whatever extras separately), which I of course confirmed. She told me we have 7, no, ok, 10 minutes, till we have to finish, so I suggested she sucked good, which she laughingly indicated she was not sure she could or not. Before 10 minutes I released the first spurt into her mouth, at which point she immediately tried to pull away of course.

Paid her the extra 1000 in private upstairs, the 300 for the massage downstairs, and since the massage was also good, an additional 100 baht tip for that. Then overate as usual at Marriot's Goji restaurant buffet (booked via eatigo for a discount), before booking a grab motorbike back to my airbnb.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938036]In the early afternoon I ventured out to Sutthisan to try a (for me) new fiwfan girl. Required walking to the BTS train, then hopping onto the MRT, and then a grab motorbike for the last two km. Done that route so many times that it doesn't take me more than 40 minutes. Not as comfortable as in a taxi, but cheaper, and more importantly, faster without any unexpected traffic delays.

One of course never knows what to expect at fiwfans unfortunately, and thus I have learned to not expect too much, but this was one of the better surprises. A 20 yo old who did a pretty good impression of pretending she liked me (though, if she really did, would she charge me 700 extra for CIM and "big dick"? Werqweq thinks not). Paid her the listed 1600 for 60 minutes beforehand, as one always does as far as fiwfans girls are concerned.

Service was really good, starting with a shower together where she washed me like a GF, admiring my dick and commenting how big it was multiple times. Always flattering of course, no matter how big the lie, but the reason for this became apparent at the end of the session. As always, she was photoshopped up a notch or two in her fiwfans photos, but she was still a pretty girl and I'd rate her as an 8. Maybe even a 9 if her youth is included.
With fiwfans, she can look like a 10 in her photos, but behind the door an acne-ridden 5 can be hiding, only redeemed up to a 6 by her youth. So I've learned to not expect too much. This girl looked like a 9 in her photos, and was in reality an 8. So pretty good as far as fiwfans is concerned.

After the shower I laid down on the bed, where she commenced to DFK me. During this past year I've overcome my inhibitions to DFK-ing p4 p girls (as well as condoms, though I take some precautions in the form of medicine), and while hardly a requirement for me, it's something I on occasion enjoy a bit of. This girl was however really into it, more so than me, so I had to avert myself a bit. I then tried my old Jakarta-trick of pulling her on top of me to grind my dick against her pussy, seeing if I could enter, but she was careful, in a discreet way, for that to not happen. Then onto her back, with me on top, grinding a bit and continuing fondling her breasts, which were not too bad for a Thai girl. She then politely suggested I climb up higher and put my dick in her mouth while she was laying on her back, which I did for a while. Then back to her pussy with my dick, but no go at entering. So, on with the rubber, and fucked her in various positions, with her doing a pretty good job at seeming to be into it.

In the end, I pulled out, pulled off the condom, and pulled her head on top of my dick. After half a minute of this I released into her mouth. Many p4 p girls pull away immediately at the first spurt, but she kept going until I was done. Some more GFE from her, then into the shower to get rid of the apparently unwanted substance now swimming around in her mouth. After that, massaged me for a bit, then suggested I hop into the shower myself, which I promptly did.

Getting dressed afterwards she asked if I could give her a tip. I think it's only the second time I've wanted to tip a fiwfans girl (normally there is a listed surcharge for CIM, so no additional tip required for that), and I don't like when people ask me for a tip of course, but I had planned on giving her a tip as service was really good, so I said yes, and pulled out a 500 note. She looked confused, and for a moment I naively wondered if she thought it was too much and was going to say she does not have so much change, but alas, she pulled out a different "service list" than the one her agent had sent me, and on this one pointed out the extra charges for CIM and "big dick" (I guess I jinxed myself when I some weeks ago said nobody has ever complained or charged me for "big dick" before), respectively 300 and 400 extra (or reverse, my Thai was not good enough to understand her). So in fact I had to pay an additional 200. Well, ok I thought. Don't know why her list is different than what her agent sent me, but oh well. Service was good, and she did not (like most other fiwfans girls) interrupt the romance by informing me of the extra surcharge for CIM beforehand. Some more joking / GFE from her side, and I left a happy camper.

Worked out a bit and then had a massage next to Marriot on Sukhumvit 22, where I was going to have dinner. A Thai massage from a 35 year old reasonably looking woman in the nearest shop. At the end the customary Q if I wanted her to massage junior also..[/QUOTE]I have a question if you don't mind. You say that with Fiw fans you are never sure what you are going to get. So, I am just curious why you prefer it say maybe over the TF FLs or a go go lady or a massage lady or beer bar ladies in BKK. Don't say it's the price because in both instances in your post, you paid over 1000 Baht for a BJ and a massage and an inflated rate for a Fiw fans girl that you may or may not get BBFS with. Makes no sense. Do you like playing in the Thai pond for a thrill? Do you think these girls are better looking? Do you think the prices are lower really even after you paid these prices?

If I was you, I would check out T-Ded 99 as you will find it easy to get BBFS, the girls are hot and the prices are good. You can also see what you are getting in real life without photo shopped images.

Maybe I can see why you do it now? I bet it's because you just like the adventure and the thrill of Fiw Fans. Never knowing what you will actually get.

For me, I always get BBFS on Fiw Fans. Why? Because I negotiate for it in Thai language. This goes a long way. Even google translate is not the same as you speaking Thai in the eyes of the The girl. They just feel more comfortable with you when you speak Thai.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2938056]If I was you, I would check out T-Ded 99.[/QUOTE]Does T-Ded 99 have ST rooms on-site?

Please for Gods Sake. Stay away from Thai Centric places.

My source Somchai said so.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2938056]I have a question if you don't mind. You say that with Fiw fans you are never sure what you are going to get. So, I am just curious why you prefer it say maybe over the TF FLs or a go go lady or a massage lady or beer bar ladies in BKK. Don't say it's the price because in both instances in your post, you paid over 1000 Baht for a BJ and a massage and an inflated rate for a Fiw fans girl that you may or may not get BBFS with. Makes no sense. Do you like playing in the Thai pond for a thrill? Do you think these girls are better looking? Do you think the prices are lower really even after you paid these prices?

If I was you, I would check out T-Ded 99 as you will find it easy to get BBFS, the girls are hot and the prices are good. You can also see what you are getting in real life without photo shopped images.

Maybe I can see why you do it now? I bet it's because you just like the adventure and the thrill of Fiw Fans. Never knowing what you will actually get.

For me, I always get BBFS on Fiw Fans. Why? Because I negotiate for it in Thai language. This goes a long way. Even google translate is not the same as you speaking Thai in the eyes of the The girl. They just feel more comfortable with you when you speak Thai.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have no doubt things would be immensely easier if I could really speak Thai, rather than just being able to fake it for 10 seconds. One fiwfans girl mentioned I could pay an extra 1000 while we were doing it, which I was ok with, but she said I could not CIP and I declined (I've had a vasectomy, so I don't need to worry about getting anyone pregnant anymore, though I of course understand anyone could say that and a girl does not have a reason to believe every random schmuck who says it). I've offered a tip to one or two others as we were doing it, but they both refused it. Maybe you can tell me how you do it? Always, or even most of the time, is impressive to me.

As to why fiwfans: the evening before I arrived at Nana plaza at what I thought would be a quite early time,11 pm, and went through the 4-5 bars recommended by someone here, without seeing anyone I thought was pretty. A bit later I did the same at Cowboy, with the same result.
Admittedly you are right in that I do feel some thrill in not knowing exactly who will open the door, but honestly I would much prefer it to be the girl in the photos than whatever thrill there is. Though, with more experience in reading the reviews I have gotten fewer bad surprises. This year they have all been decent looking (7 or up).

As for paying an inflated price for the fiwfans girl, I don't feel I did that, except the big dick charge which was a bit annoying, but fortunately I don't get that ofen (only once before, where the girl outright refused as I mentioned).

Neither for the massage/BJ. I don't think you will get a BJ for less than 1000 on the thong lo - nana stretch in a massage shop, at least not without having luck and trying hard, so not sure what you mean about that. That I could instead get up and go somewhere else and pay a similar price, or a bit more for FS? Yeah, I could, but it's nice to just lay down and have a massage for an hour or two, and finish with a BJ (or FS if she is good looking) there and then, rather than get up and go somewhere else.

1600 for 60 minutes with the fiwfans girl, + 300-400 for CIM, as is often listed. And if I add in the "big dick" surcharge from yesterdays girl (linly is her listed name, BTW), a total of 2300 for a 20 yo girl I'd rate as an 8, though normally it would be less than 2000, as I'm not exactly hung like John Holmes.

On the other hand, I simply do not see anyone looking anything close to that in nana or soi cowboy. Maybe they are there, somewhere, but there is a limit to the glasses of orange juice I can drink in each bar while looking for her. And even after spending an hour or two doing that, if I can find her, I'd have to pay 1000 + 3000 to take her out. I much prefer to arrange things so that I bts / mrt out somewhere and bang a fiwfans girl while on the way to / from something else in the daytime.

T-Ded 99 sounds interesting and possibly I'll check it out on a weekend.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938149]
T-Ded 99 sounds interesting and possibly I'll check it out on a weekend.[/QUOTE]Please report back after you do.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938070]Does T-Ded 99 have ST rooms on-site?[/QUOTE]No, but the owner of the bar owns a hotel opposite and when you pay the 2500 it includes the room in that hotel.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938070]Does T-Ded 99 have ST rooms on-site?[/QUOTE]No, opposite is a hotel, price included. Just scroll 1 page back. It is all written here.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2938185]No, but the owner of the bar owns a hotel opposite and when you pay the 2500 it includes the room in that hotel.[/QUOTE]Is there a reason I would want to go to this place and pay 2500? Just because it's cheaper than Nana. But still more expensive than Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938149] Maybe you can tell me how you do it? Always, or even most of the time, is impressive to me.[/QUOTE]I build a rapport with the ladies by speaking Thai. I call them in line or direct on the phone. I tell the booker I will give them a tip if they let me speak to the lady. Some ladies don't have an admin so then it makes things even easier. Many admins know me in Fiw Fans. Then I do the following:

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937987]Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story. Other girls know this about me and often will even go with me without even discussing price or services. Why ? Because they know I will take care of them, but only if they give me what I want with no drama. It has worked for me for the last 25 years in Asia. This ensures me of a great night. This no nonsense style of mongering in Pattaya and Bangkok has served me well.[/QUOTE]I practice this is all the mongering I do in Asia.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938149]Yes, I have no doubt things would be immensely easier if I could really speak Thai, rather than just being able to fake it for 10 seconds. One fiwfans girl mentioned I could pay an extra 1000 while we were doing it, which I was ok with, but she said I could not CIP and I declined (I've had a vasectomy, so I don't need to worry about getting anyone pregnant anymore, though I of course understand anyone could say that and a girl does not have a reason to believe every random schmuck who says it). I've offered a tip to one or two others as we were doing it, but they both refused it. Maybe you can tell me how you do it? Always, or even most of the time, is impressive to me.

As to why fiwfans: the evening before I arrived at Nana plaza at what I thought would be a quite early time,11 pm, and went through the 4-5 bars recommended by someone here, without seeing anyone I thought was pretty. A bit later I did the same at Cowboy, with the same result.
Admittedly you are right in that I do feel some thrill in not knowing exactly who will open the door, but honestly I would much prefer it to be the girl in the photos than whatever thrill there is. Though, with more experience in reading the reviews I have gotten fewer bad surprises. This year they have all been decent looking (7 or up).

As for paying an inflated price for the fiwfans girl, I don't feel I did that, except the big dick charge which was a bit annoying, but fortunately I don't get that ofen (only once before, where the girl outright refused as I mentioned).

Neither for the massage/BJ. I don't think you will get a BJ for less than 1000 on the thong lo - nana stretch in a massage shop, at least not without having luck and trying hard, so not sure what you mean about that. That I could instead get up and go somewhere else and pay a similar price, or a bit more for FS? Yeah, I could, but it's nice to just lay down and have a massage for an hour or two, and finish with a BJ (or FS if she is good looking) there and then, rather than get up and go somewhere else.

1600 for 60 minutes with the fiwfans girl, + 300-400 for CIM, as is often listed. And if I add in the "big dick" surcharge from yesterdays girl (linly is her listed name, BTW), a total of 2300 for a 20 yo girl I'd rate as an 8, though normally it would be less than 2000, as I'm not exactly hung like John Holmes.

On the other hand, I simply do not see anyone looking anything close to that in nana or soi cowboy. Maybe they are there, somewhere, but there is a limit to the glasses of orange juice I can drink in each bar while looking for her. And even after spending an hour or two doing that, if I can find her, I'd have to pay 1000 + 3000 to take her out. I much prefer to arrange things so that I bts / mrt out somewhere and bang a fiwfans girl while on the way to / from something else in the daytime.

T-Ded 99 sounds interesting and possibly I'll check it out on a weekend.[/QUOTE]11 pm Nana Plaza only Dregs of Nana are left. Get your aZZ in at 930 pm.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2938196]I build a rapport with the ladies by speaking Thai. I call them in line or direct on the phone. I tell the booker I will give them a tip if they let me speak to the lady. Some ladies don't have an admin so then it makes things even easier. Many admins know me in Fiw Fans. Then I do the following:

I practice this is all the mongering I do in Asia.[/QUOTE]Thank for the honest answer, but sorry: you say I paid an inflated price for the fiwfans girl (1600 + 300 + 400), but then say your own modus operandi is to overpay, and you make it sound like you overpay greatly? Seems slightly contradictory.

I guess you have some charm and other things you are able to convey over the phone (did you work in sales or something similar?), so you make talking beforehand work to your benefit. It's an interesting approach that I had not even thought of, but in any case the opposite is sadly the case for me: have I met a non-p4p girl online or outside, hard earned experience has taught me that the last thing *I* should do is call her before I've banged her. If anything, my babble on the phone will kill any desire they had to meet me / meet me again. Of course, I don't speak Thai well enough to converse on the phone anyway, so the point is moot here.

I BTW saw another fiwfan girl in the afternoon today. Inspired by your success I broached the topic of fucking her without condom. She first told me I could fuck her without condom for a tip of 5 thousand, though it was obvious she didn't believe I was going to pay that and she was laughing herself when she said it. I responded with 1000. She said for 2000 ok. Had she been considerably prettier (a "solid" 21-22 year old 6, I'd say she was) I might have considered it, even though it would have more than doubled the total price, but at that time it did not seem worth it, even though my dick was partly inside her already. Asked her again after she seemingly orgasmed while I was banging her with a condom, but still only for 2,000 extra. Do I understand you correctly in that you would have gladly paid that? No disrespect intended if so. We all have our money and spend it how we best see fit.

Something I've not tried much of is seeing if visiting the same fiwfans girl again a few times will improve service to the point of bareback. I think there are only two fiwfans girl I've met more than once. With the first one (one year ago), service was worse the second time. With the second one (some weeks ago) service was about the same, though she had developed a tiny bit of an "ok, this guy likes me, that's why he's back, so I don't need to make as big of an effort this time" attitude. Not much, but I could sense it.

There are however three-four other girls I've recently had good experience with, two of which are somewhat hot. One yesterday, another one a week ago, and one or two older than that. I prefer to see new girls, but might try and go back to some of these for a second or even third serving. At that time this Thailand trip will be ending for me though, so that will also be somewhat of a moot point. Will be mainly out of curiosity I guess.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938285]Thank for the honest answer, but sorry: you say I paid an inflated price for the fiwfans girl (1600 + 300 + 400), but then say your own modus operandi is to overpay, and you make it sound like you overpay greatly? Seems slightly contradictory. [/QUOTE]I said that because I thought you were using Fiw Fans because it was cheaper. So, I didn't understand that concept if you ended up paying more anyways plus paying too much for a BJ when FS is not too much more depending on where you go.

Speaking Thai goes a long way and that's all I think that needs to be said.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938036]In the early afternoon I ventured out to Sutthisan to try a (for me) new fiwfan girl. * * * Service was good, and she did not (like most other fiwfans girls) interrupt the romance by informing me of the extra surcharge for CIM beforehand. Some more joking / GFE from her side, and I left a happy camper. * * * Worked out a bit and then had a massage next to Marriott on Sukhumvit 22, where I was going to have dinner. * * * Then overate as usual at Marriot's Goji restaurant buffet (booked via eatigo for a discount), before booking a grab motorbike back to my airbnb.[/QUOTE]Excellent report. Informative and well written. Kudos for taking the time to post.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2938223]11 pm Nana Plaza only Dregs of Nana are left. Get your aZZ in at 930 pm.[/QUOTE]That is the best time.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2936473]Is this the Nut you are referring to?[/QUOTE]If that is indeed her, someone has applied some very heavy whitening filter to her, plus possibly other things, in this photo. I saw her some hours ago and can't really recognize her from this photo.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938469]If that is indeed her, someone has applied some very heavy whitening filter to her, plus possibly other things, in this photo. I saw her some hours ago and can't really recognize her from this photo.[/QUOTE]It's def her but I agree heavily filtered. Massive skin whitening because she's a dark girl. I guess that's the Asian aesthetic but not mine at all. While she looks good in the photo I think she's much prettier in person.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2938508]It's def her but I agree heavily filtered. Massive skin whitening because she's a dark girl. I guess that's the Asian aesthetic but not mine at all. While she looks good in the photo I think she's much prettier in person.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, and will add that while I went with Nut as she really looks, I'd probably not go with her if she looked like in the photo. Not sure what's wrong with that photo, but more than just whitening has been applied. Whoever created it should take some lessons from the fiwfans guys on how to make girl look more beautiful, rather than more ugly.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2938352]Excellent report. Informative and well written. Kudos for taking the time to post.[/QUOTE]Thank you Bunky. I have enjoyed many posts from you during the years, so I'm happy to hear that from you.

After a two hour Thai massage (HJ offered, but no BJ unfortunately), I coincidentally passed by 7-heaven some hours ago on my way back, and I don't know wtf management does not fire whoever was sitting in the reception this evening. I didn't recognize her face, but once she started talking, I remembered this is the same cun.t who has caused me to simply walk out more than once during the last five years due to her rude and "I don't give a fuck" attitude to whatever question you might ask.

I'm not expecting to have a conversation with the matire d' of a fine restaurant, but some minimal politeness and respect for the customer? Upon here second "I don't give a fuck" answer to my question I simply turned around and silently walked out. Stopped at a regular massage place further along the way back to my airbnb and requested the same 30 year old woman who some weeks back gave me a good massage and a competent BJ, and paid her the money I planned to pay 7-heaven.

Why they don't fire this cow I don't understand. The others who man the reception are hardly shining beacons of service minded personel, but it's at least possible to ask a question or two without feeling you are talking to a person who does not care one iota about whether you buy whatever the shop is selling or not, and seems to think you are something slightly below the common garden slug on the totem pole.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938575]I coincidentally passed by 7-heaven some hours ago on my way back, and I don't know wtf management does not fire whoever was sitting in the reception this evening. I didn't recognize her face, but once she started talking, I remembered this is the same cun.t who has caused me to simply walk out more than once during the last five years due to her rude and "I don't give a fuck" attitude to whatever question you might ask.

I'm not expecting to have a conversation with the matire d' of a fine restaurant, but some minimal politeness and respect for the customer? Upon here second "I don't give a fuck" answer to my question I simply turned around and silently walked out. Stopped at a regular massage place further along the way back to my airbnb and requested the same 30 year old woman who some weeks back gave me a good massage and a competent BJ, and paid her the money I planned to pay 7-heaven.

Why they don't fire this cow I don't understand. The others who man the reception are hardly shining beacons of service minded personel, but it's at least possible to ask a question or two without feeling you are talking to a person who does not care one iota about whether you buy whatever the shop is selling or not, and seems to think you are something slightly below the common garden slug on the totem pole.[/QUOTE]What is even more difficult to understand is why an individual would want to go over and over again in such a place and give these assh*les his money, after being treated like a dog or a subhuman more than once by these same people. Even promoting the place on multiple occasions on a dedicated site.

Unless that's precisely what this individual is looking for, giving his money to some of the biggest Thai scums and being treated like shit in return.

For reference, here is your first post about that place, from a few years ago:

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2354037]Visited this place on Monday the previous week and I'll say it was the
worst experience ever. Never have I meet such a rude and insulting
reception staff.

The reception woman, a plump woman with dyed red hair who I will
for brevity refer to as TFRB (the fat red-haired beast) from now on,
insulted both my girlfriend, who just came in to pay for my session,
and myself in one of the worst ways you can insult someone in Thailand,
by referring to me when she thought I could not hear/understand as an "it"
("man" in Thai).

Upon entering the place with my girlfriend, the first words coming from
TFRB, shouting across the room, were "no massage here!". Since my gf
and I have been to a few similar places already, we expected some mild
surprise and possible confusion from the reception staff upon seeing my
gf and me entering together, but we have never had a rude welcome before.

My girlfriend and I were taken by surprise by the anger in the TFRB's
voice, but my gf answered in English that I was there for a blowjob.
TFRB then shouted at my girlfriend "ok, but you get out!". My girlfriend
explained politely that she was there to pay for her boyfriend (me).
TFRB then said "ok, you pay, then get out".

I said we wanted to see the girls first.

TFRB answered "no, cannot see. Now she (pointing at my gf) must get
out!". I said again I wanted to see the staff first. TFRB said we have
to pay first. Then if I don't like, she will give me the money back.
For reference, at both Wood bar and BIT style, you see the girls first,
then if you want to choose one, you pay. If not, you leave.

My gf then paid and TFRB took out an ipad where I she said I could choose
amongst the girls. "Only three girls now". I said I wanted to see
the girls for real, not just photos. This TFRB refused.
Said "cannot. Choose from photo". I said if I cannot see, I would like
to get the money back now, as I was expecting the photos to be
photo-shopped into something not recognizable. TFRB gave the money back,
and we turned around to walk out. I hoped she would change her mind when
she saw me walking and let me see the staff in real life rather than
lose a customer, but she did not. Instead I changed my mind and said,
ok, let me see photos then.

My gf had as this point already walked outside, more than a little annoyed
by the obnoxious behaviour of TFRB. As a reference, my gf has treated
me to similar sessions multiple times at both Wood bar and BIT style,
and has always been welcomed with polite, albeit surprised, behaviour
from the women manning the reception there.

I asked TFRB to show me the photos then, but she responded I must pay
first. I asked her how my gf could pay when you told her to get out
already? She said my gf can come inside and pay, then get out again.
I went outside to ask my gf to come in again. As we walked back in,
we could hear TFRB talking bad about me in Thai to staff hiding behind
the counter.

After my gf had paid again, TFRB finally handed over the ipad so I could
chose amongst three women, while telling my gf again "you get out now".
All three girls, at least as far as photos were concerned, looked decent
enough, and so I choose a girl called Nui.

TFRB then went behind the counter and said one of the rudest things you
can say about anyone in Thai: "man luak Nui", which means "it chose you.
You have to work." Not "he" chose you, but "it". In Thai language,
as in English, it is extremely rude to refer to a human being as "it"
of course, and ill-tempered Thai men have shot others dead for saying
something like that to them.

For reference, my gf later asked me later what girl I choose and I showed
her Nui (https://www.7-heavenbkk.com/nui) from the website of 7-heaven
which anyone can access from anywhere. The same, and more, photos are
available on the website for anyone to see. Btw, when Nui appeared,
she did not look much like the photo at all and I would have preferred to
chose another girl, so as feared, the reason they do not let you see the
lineup in real life is because the lineup in real life looks much less
pretty than their photo-shopped pictures. They also look a lot less slim.

Not sure what the purpose of not letting my gf see the photos on the ipad
with me when she can see the same, and more photos, on her own phone by
going to the public website, but I guess there's some logic there that
escapes me at the moment.

Anyway, the rudeness of the fat red beast aside, I was still hoping for a
decent session with Nui, as I hoped the plump woman manning the reception
was just an angry ***** whose poor demeanor would not necessarily reflect
on the staff (I was wrong).

Nui started of friendly enough, so I tried to quiz her a bit about the
woman in the reception. Obviously TFRB could not be the fabled Som from
"Som's haven" who's service-minded staff there have been many posts about,
and I can't imagine that anyone with an iota of customer care in mind would let
such a beast as the red-haired woman mind the reception, so I wondered
if indeed the reason the red-haired beast was manning the reception was
because she was the owner.

I expressed my question in a more polite way to "Nui" and wondered why
TFRB was so angry, but Nui brushed it aside. I then tried to ask if
TFRB was the owner, to which Nui responded "no", but I'm not sure if
she was being truthful or not.

Anyway, not expecting to get any useful answer from Nui, we proceeded to
the BJ.

Nui first washed junior in the sink they have in the room, and then
started servicing me decently well with a BBBJ for about 15 minutes,
sucking and slurping away as you have it.

After about 15 minutes, I stood up from the table-like thing they have you
sit/lay down on and let Nui continue servicing me while I was standing up.

After a few minutes standing, Nui asked me if I was finished? I was,
for the second time at this establishment, taken a bit by surprise from
the question. I looked at Nui a bit dumbfounded and asked her why
she would think that? But she just asked again "you finished now?".

My GF also had a chuckle when I told her this later, but I unfortunately
had to disappoint Nui by telling her I had not finished yet, so she
somewhat reluctantly continued with her job. After a few minutes of
standing, I felt the need to relax my tired legs and lay down again,
and let Nui continue her services while I was laying down.

A few minutes later, Nui started saying something about if I had
"finished now? Limit 40 minutes. Finish now?"

I was feeling a bit of an annoyance from being interrupted by this stupid
question again. Does she think she will not know when I have finished?
Does she expect me to ejaculate a soft, barely noticeable, puff of oxygen
into her mouth when I come? I answered Nui politely that it's not 40
minutes yet.

There was some back and forth with Ms. Nui and me about this, and in
the end she excused herself to go "ask boss". I spent a few minutes
contemplating, life, the universe, and everything, while waiting for
Nui to come back.

When Nui came back she told me "ok, 10 minutes more." Well, I let
her service me for five minutes more and then finished in her mouth.
She cleaned me up and I exited the shop, never to return unless someone
can tell me the red-haired beast manning the reception is gone.

Will I repeat: No No No. Nobody should have to be insulted in this way
by some fat woman who seems to hate her customers, and from what I can
tell with my very limited experience of this place, the mood of this
beast affects the girls providing the service too.

Anyone know if she's the owner of this place? If not, and someone knows
the owner, feel free to let the owner know she has lost at least one
customer who is a regular at other BJ bars due to the foul best manning
the reception. Nobody in Thailand refers to other people as an "it"
("man" in Thai) unless the speaker is really at the bottom of the totem pole
as far as manners and social grace is concerned.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2938582]What is even more difficult to understand is why an individual would want to go over and over again in such a place and give these assh*les his money, after being treated like a dog or a subhuman more than once by these same people. Even promoting the place on multiple occasions on a dedicated site.

Unless that's precisely what this individual is looking for, giving his money to some of the biggest Thai scums and being treated like shit in return.

For reference, here is your first post about that place, from a few years ago:[/QUOTE]Easy: because that, and bitstyle on soi 22 (though not sure how things are there now), is unfortunately the only BJ-bar in this area where one can expect there to be some half-decent looking girls working.

Other places may or may not have that.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2937518]If it's still like it was pre-covid you won't get a dirty look from Thai customers. These guys are there for their own entertainment. Most probably if you're entertaining one of the girls one of these guys is eying, what he could do is call her over and spend more money on her than you're doing.

But expect to tip everyone in that kind of place, girl, waiters, waitress, managers, even the door man.

Look of the girls was below the quality that one could find in a touristic located gogo bar too, so not sure why everyone looks interrested in that place suddenly.[/QUOTE]I was and I agree with you.

Soon I will write a full report of Tded 99.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938655] and bitstyle on soi 22[/QUOTE]I went to that place last week and it was nothing less than a sewer. Unfortunately I was the victim of a bait and switch and I was too slow to work out what was happening, and the lady I had was so off her face on something she was incoherent. At one stage she couldn't even hold her own weight when kneeling and fell over. During the "massage" she actually put her mobile phone on my back to use it whilst I was being massaged, thinking I wouldn't notice. Avoid Bitstyle like the plague is my best advice, and I probably have the same advice for all of Soi 22.

Here are two links to YouTube videos related to the Ted 99 / Saphan Kwai. I've been there a couple of times. For the most part, I found the girls to be 4's-6's by my rating standards. No problems for farangs; drink prices that appeal to working class Thai customers / office workers. An expat buddy who has lived in BKK for maybe 25 years used to frequent Saphan Kwai (though he pulled from Cowboy and Nana 3-4 times per week). Worth taking a looksee if you have the time in your schedule.

SAPHAN KWAI Bangkok THAILAND ENTERTAINMENT AREA. YouTube.

Agogo ladies in the secret bar near Saphan Kwai intersection at Bangkok city #agogo #agogobar. YouTube.

I don't know the name of the "secret bar" noted above. Suggest you take a screen shot, take it with you, and ask around.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2938886]I went to that place last week and it was nothing less than a sewer. Unfortunately I was the victim of a bait and switch and I was too slow to work out what was happening, and the lady I had was so off her face on something she was incoherent. At one stage she couldn't even hold her own weight when kneeling and fell over. During the "massage" she actually put her mobile phone on my back to use it whilst I was being massaged, thinking I wouldn't notice. Avoid Bitstyle like the plague is my best advice, and I probably have the same advice for all of Soi 22.[/QUOTE]Noted.

In my experience, there are many worthwhile regular massage shops on Soi 22 though. One of the two-three massage shops immediately before and after the big Marriot hotel in the middle of the Soi is where I usually go for a competent Thai massage (around 300 per hour) plus a BJ (1,000, though if they don't remember me from before, or have not given me a BJ before, they always start at 2,000). If what you want is a normal massage, plus quite possibly, but not at all guaranteed, a BJ (or even FS, if logistics allow at the moment), the shops on this Soi are a decent choice.

I still remember my last day here last year, where I went for a massage at one of the shops a bit past Marriot, and there was a bona fide 8. 5 working there. After finishing the massage and blowing in her mouth, as I was paying for the massage at the counter, her colleague walked into the shop and sat down. Her colleague was a 9. I almost turned on my heel and booked another hour with her. Worst of all was that from my short look of them, they kind of looked like they could be sisters.

The name of that shop was Alice massage BTW, though sadly I've not seen either of those two beauties the 3-4 times I've passed by there in the last two months.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2938949]Here are two links to YouTube videos related to the Ted 99 / Saphan Kwai. I've been there a couple of times. For the most part, I found the girls to be 4's-6's by my rating standards. No problems for farangs; drink prices that appeal to working class Thai customers / office workers. An expat buddy who has lived in BKK for maybe 25 years used to frequent Saphan Kwai (though he pulled from Cowboy and Nana 3-4 times per week). Worth taking a looksee if you have the time in your schedule.

SAPHAN KWAI Bangkok THAILAND ENTERTAINMENT AREA. YouTube.

Agogo ladies in the secret bar near Saphan Kwai intersection at Bangkok city #agogo #agogobar. YouTube.

I don't know the name of the "secret bar" noted above. Suggest you take a screen shot, take it with you, and ask around.

Sam.[/QUOTE]I have seen a bunch of 6 and 7's and a few 9's and a 10 working there. However, I like white skin and big boobs, fake or real, I don't care. This is the same taste as Thai men have. Maybe that's the difference. The club does cater to Thais mostly. Further, you may have just gone in later when a lot of the girls were out already. They also hide in the Karaoke rooms around the outside and in the back, so you may have missed seeing the good ones.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2939178]I have seen a bunch of 6 and 7's and a few 9's and a 10 working there. However, I like white skin and big boobs, fake or real, I don't care. This is the same taste as Thai men have. Maybe that's the difference. The club does cater to Thais mostly. Further, you may have just gone in later when a lot of the girls were out already. They also hide in the Karaoke rooms around the outside and in the back, so you may have missed seeing the good ones.[/QUOTE]I just left T-ded, from the BTS you kinda walk through a hospital car park to get to it.

Went in, dead quiet. Only 3-4 girls and fair enough it's early but the place smells of piss I have to say.

As others mentioned you have to order food & a drink. Some kind of whisky on promo ATM but I was told 300/ h for the girl to sit with you, room is 150/ h? Had to use Google translate but managed to get the gist. I know I went early but some quick maths and it's probably like 550-600 for just an hour alone. I don't know, maybe expecting a bit more but I just left.

Today I had my first non-condom sex with a fiwfans girl, though I've only very recently started to make any effort at that (and only this year started to even do condomless sex with p4p girls).

Encounter was pretty much as normal for an average fiwfans girl. Messaged her admin (in this case she's listed as working for herself, so I guess it was herself I was messaging) that I had arrived, got the room number of one of the hotels fiwfans girls seem to like to use in Ratchada, and up I went.
Girl kinda looked like a 7. 5 AI-generated model on her profile photos, but in real life looked like a decent 21 year old 7/7. 5. Slim, small, nice fair skin, medium sized (relative to Thai) boobs. Only had a few reviews, but they were positive, so worth a gamble I thought.

Confirmed with her it was 1300 to pay for the 60 minutes before handing over the money, but she answered it was 2,000. A moment of confusion on my part, then I looked up at her and saw she was making a joke. Well, that's always welcome. Gave her the money and stripped down, telling her we should shower together, but she said she had already showered (good service girl will shower with you), so I showered alone. Got out of the shower and laid down on the bed. She then went into the bathroom and washed herself, seemingly on the toilet. Well, whatever.

Came out and lay down next to me, starting with a HJ, which did not really result in much. Gently pushed her head towards my dick and she gave me a 60 second blowjob, before she stretched out for the condom. Said I'd like her to continue sucking, but she said she did not like that. Asked her if Thai guys don't like blowjobs? She answered they like, but she doesn't like. Oh well, another minus.
Most fiwfans girl are a bit like this unfortunately, though I've met a handful of exceptions as I greatly enjoy BJs, and even prefer a BBBJ to condomed sex most of the time.

Pulled her on top of me instead then to suck on her boobs for a bit, while grinding my dick against her pussy. After some minutes of that, lay her down on the back and did the same. After a while of that, sat up between her legs and pushed my dick with my hand against her pussy, up and down, and eventually gently pushing my dick against her entrance. At that point she indicated I should put on the condom, but I instead asked her if she wanted a tip.

For what it matters, I asked in Thai. I speak only a very little Thai, but enough for very basic things like this. It did not seem like she understood much English, and I'm not sure she would have understood if I had asked in English, so as someone else here who seemingly does speak Thai well said, speaking at least some very basic Thai does help.

She answered my question by asking how much, and I said 1,000. She said ok, and I started to enter. She reached for the K-Y, but I said never mind that (I don't like it), and instead very slowly and carefully entered. After fucking her for some minutes, she asked me in Thai to not cum inside her, though I did not understand what she said, so she had to indicate with her hand that she wanted me to cum on her stomach. I managed to tell to her that I have had a vasectomy, and then we were ok about that (again: why these girls are seemingly not on the pill or something similar, I cannot fathom). We continued banging in a few positions, and I made an effort at getting her to enjoy it too, but she only started warming up a bit towards the end, a minute or two before I blew into her pussy.

Rolled off her and she jumped into the shower, while I relaxed on the bed for some minutes, then went and took a shower myself when she was done. Put on my clothes, give her the 1000 baht tip with a thanks, and a sa wat de krap as out the door I went.

So service vice this was pretty much a typical fiwfans encounter as far as I am concerned, but made noteworthy for me by being able to CIP the sweet young thing. Like I said, I'd rate her as a 7 only (though a solid one), but a 21 year old, slim, non-tattooed 7. In comparison, 99% of what I see at Nana and Cowboy is 5 or less to me, and the same for the sex-shops around Sukhumvit.
Service is however rather subpar on average with the fiwfans girls I'd say, though I've had a handful of exceptions. E. g. , I recently banged "Nut" at Mango massage. "Nut" is ok looking (and her considerable charm drives her up an additional notch or two), but she's not a sweet 21 year old thing (though she's not old either. Around 25 perhaps?). Nut's service on the other hand blows what little service the typical fiwfans girl offers out of the water, Unfortunately difficult to find both in one p4 p girl (much easier to find that with regular non-p4 p girls who actually want to bang you, rather than just your wallet).

Outside this particular hotel/long-term stay (Buddy place) there is a 180 baht / hour Thai massage place that gives an above average competent Thai massage with some 25-40 year old women. The shop itself is so tiny that one can't really get anything more than a massage (well, a HJ would perhaps be possible, but even that I'm not sure about due to how small and cramped the shop is), but since I like Thai massage, and the massage here is both better and cheaper, if I have time, I usually relax with a two hour Thai massage here after banging the girl.

I've banged a handful or two different girls in this particular 2-star hotel, so I guess if I was thus inclined and had the time, I could easily book another girl at the same hotel, timed to when my massage will finish. Or you could have a bit to eat at the small on-site restaurant. I'm thinking there'd be 5-10 or other girls to choose from, or from another similar hotel a 10 minute walk away, for another 5-10 girls.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2939278]Today I had my first non-condom sex with a fiwfans girl, though I've only very recently started to make any effort at that (and only this year started to even do condomless sex with p4p girls).

Encounter was pretty much as normal for an average fiwfans girl. Messaged her admin (in this case she's listed as working for herself, so I guess it was herself I was messaging) that I had arrived, got the room number of one of the hotels fiwfans girls seem to like to use in Ratchada, and up I went.
Girl kinda looked like a 7. 5 AI-generated model on her profile photos, but in real life looked like a decent 21 year old 7/7. 5. Slim, small, nice fair skin, medium sized (relative to Thai) boobs. Only had a few reviews, but they were positive, so worth a gamble I thought.

Confirmed with her it was 1300 to pay for the 60 minutes before handing over the money, but she answered it was 2,000. A moment of confusion on my part, then I looked up at her and saw she was making a joke. Well, that's always welcome. Gave her the money and stripped down, telling her we should shower together, but she said she had already showered (good service girl will shower with you), so I showered alone. Got out of the shower and laid down on the bed. She then went into the bathroom and washed herself, seemingly on the toilet. Well, whatever.

Came out and lay down next to me, starting with a HJ, which did not really result in much. Gently pushed her head towards my dick and she gave me a 60 second blowjob, before she stretched out for the condom. Said I'd like her to continue sucking, but she said she did not like that. Asked her if Thai guys don't like blowjobs? She answered they like, but she doesn't like. Oh well, another minus.
Most fiwfans girl are a bit like this unfortunately, though I've met a handful of exceptions as I greatly enjoy BJs, and even prefer a BBBJ to condomed sex most of the time.

Pulled her on top of me instead then to suck on her boobs for a bit, while grinding my dick against her pussy. After some minutes of that, lay her down on the back and did the same. After a while of that, sat up between her legs and pushed my dick with my hand against her pussy, up and down, and eventually gently pushing my dick against her entrance. At that point she indicated I should put on the condom, but I instead asked her if she wanted a tip.

For what it matters, I asked in Thai. I speak only a very little Thai, but enough for very basic things like this. It did not seem like she understood much English, and I'm not sure she would have understood if I had asked in English, so as someone else here who seemingly does speak Thai well said, speaking at least some very basic Thai does help.

She answered my question by asking how much, and I said 1,000. She said ok, and I started to enter. She reached for the K-Y, but I said never mind that (I don't like it), and instead very slowly and carefully entered. After fucking her for some minutes, she asked me in Thai to not cum inside her, though I did not understand what she said, so she had to indicate with her hand that she wanted me to cum on her stomach. I managed to tell to her that I have had a vasectomy, and then we were ok about that (again: why these girls are seemingly not on the pill or something similar, I cannot fathom). We continued banging in a few positions, and I made an effort at getting her to enjoy it too, but she only started warming up a bit towards the end, a minute or two before I blew into her pussy.

Rolled off her and she jumped into the shower, while I relaxed on the bed for some minutes, then went and took a shower myself when she was done. Put on my clothes, give her the 1000 baht tip with a thanks, and a sa wat de krap as out the door I went.

So service vice this was pretty much a typical fiwfans encounter as far as I am concerned, but made noteworthy for me by being able to CIP the sweet young thing. Like I said, I'd rate her as a 7 only (though a solid one), but a 21 year old, slim, non-tattooed 7. In comparison, 99% of what I see at Nana and Cowboy is 5 or less to me, and the same for the sex-shops around Sukhumvit.
Service is however rather subpar on average with the fiwfans girls I'd say, though I've had a handful of exceptions. E. g. , I recently banged "Nut" at Mango massage. "Nut" is ok looking (and her considerable charm drives her up an additional notch or two), but she's not a sweet 21 year old thing (though she's not old either. Around 25 perhaps?). Nut's service on the other hand blows what little service the typical fiwfans girl offers out of the water, Unfortunately difficult to find both in one p4 p girl (much easier to find that with regular non-p4 p girls who actually want to bang you, rather than just your wallet).

Outside this particular hotel/long-term stay (Buddy place) there is a 180 baht / hour Thai massage place that gives an above average competent Thai massage with some 25-40 year old women. The shop itself is so tiny that one can't really get anything more than a massage (well, a HJ would perhaps be possible, but even that I'm not sure about due to how small and cramped the shop is), but since I like Thai massage, and the massage here is both better and cheaper, if I have time, I usually relax with a two hour Thai massage here after banging the girl.

I've banged a handful or two different girls in this particular 2-star hotel, so I guess if I was thus inclined and had the time, I could easily book another girl at the same hotel, timed to when my massage will finish. Or you could have a bit to eat at the small on-site restaurant. I'm thinking there'd be 5-10 or other girls to choose from, or from another similar hotel a 10 minute walk away, for another 5-10 girls.[/QUOTE]1000 baht tip is too much, don't simp and be a baby back *****.

Also, get an STD test if your going to engage in risky behavior in a city with a known high HIV and STD rate.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2939278]Today I had my first non-condom sex with a fiwfans girl, though I've only very recently started to make any effort at that (and only this year started to even do condomless sex with p4p girls).

Encounter was pretty much as normal for an average fiwfans girl. Messaged her admin (in this case she's listed as working for herself, so I guess it was herself I was messaging) that I had arrived, got the room number of one of the hotels fiwfans girls seem to like to use in Ratchada, and up I went.
Girl kinda looked like a 7. 5 AI-generated model on her profile photos, but in real life looked like a decent 21 year old 7/7. 5. Slim, small, nice fair skin, medium sized (relative to Thai) boobs. Only had a few reviews, but they were positive, so worth a gamble I thought.

Confirmed with her it was 1300 to pay for the 60 minutes before handing over the money, but she answered it was 2,000. A moment of confusion on my part, then I looked up at her and saw she was making a joke. Well, that's always welcome. Gave her the money and stripped down, telling her we should shower together, but she said she had already showered (good service girl will shower with you), so I showered alone. Got out of the shower and laid down on the bed. She then went into the bathroom and washed herself, seemingly on the toilet. Well, whatever.

Came out and lay down next to me, starting with a HJ, which did not really result in much. Gently pushed her head towards my dick and she gave me a 60 second blowjob, before she stretched out for the condom. Said I'd like her to continue sucking, but she said she did not like that. Asked her if Thai guys don't like blowjobs? She answered they like, but she doesn't like. Oh well, another minus.
Most fiwfans girl are a bit like this unfortunately, though I've met a handful of exceptions as I greatly enjoy BJs, and even prefer a BBBJ to condomed sex most of the time.

Pulled her on top of me instead then to suck on her boobs for a bit, while grinding my dick against her pussy. After some minutes of that, lay her down on the back and did the same. After a while of that, sat up between her legs and pushed my dick with my hand against her pussy, up and down, and eventually gently pushing my dick against her entrance. At that point she indicated I should put on the condom, but I instead asked her if she wanted a tip.

For what it matters, I asked in Thai. I speak only a very little Thai, but enough for very basic things like this. It did not seem like she understood much English, and I'm not sure she would have understood if I had asked in English, so as someone else here who seemingly does speak Thai well said, speaking at least some very basic Thai does help.

She answered my question by asking how much, and I said 1,000. She said ok, and I started to enter. She reached for the K-Y, but I said never mind that (I don't like it), and instead very slowly and carefully entered. After fucking her for some minutes, she asked me in Thai to not cum inside her, though I did not understand what she said, so she had to indicate with her hand that she wanted me to cum on her stomach. I managed to tell to her that I have had a vasectomy, and then we were ok about that (again: why these girls are seemingly not on the pill or something similar, I cannot fathom). We continued banging in a few positions, and I made an effort at getting her to enjoy it too, but she only started warming up a bit towards the end, a minute or two before I blew into her pussy.

Rolled off her and she jumped into the shower, while I relaxed on the bed for some minutes, then went and took a shower myself when she was done. Put on my clothes, give her the 1000 baht tip with a thanks, and a sa wat de krap as out the door I went.

So service vice this was pretty much a typical fiwfans encounter as far as I am concerned, but made noteworthy for me by being able to CIP the sweet young thing. Like I said, I'd rate her as a 7 only (though a solid one), but a 21 year old, slim, non-tattooed 7. In comparison, 99% of what I see at Nana and Cowboy is 5 or less to me, and the same for the sex-shops around Sukhumvit.
Service is however rather subpar on average with the fiwfans girls I'd say, though I've had a handful of exceptions. E. g. , I recently banged "Nut" at Mango massage. "Nut" is ok looking (and her considerable charm drives her up an additional notch or two), but she's not a sweet 21 year old thing (though she's not old either. Around 25 perhaps?). Nut's service on the other hand blows what little service the typical fiwfans girl offers out of the water, Unfortunately difficult to find both in one p4 p girl (much easier to find that with regular non-p4 p girls who actually want to bang you, rather than just your wallet).

Outside this particular hotel/long-term stay (Buddy place) there is a 180 baht / hour Thai massage place that gives an above average competent Thai massage with some 25-40 year old women. The shop itself is so tiny that one can't really get anything more than a massage (well, a HJ would perhaps be possible, but even that I'm not sure about due to how small and cramped the shop is), but since I like Thai massage, and the massage here is both better and cheaper, if I have time, I usually relax with a two hour Thai massage here after banging the girl.

I've banged a handful or two different girls in this particular 2-star hotel, so I guess if I was thus inclined and had the time, I could easily book another girl at the same hotel, timed to when my massage will finish. Or you could have a bit to eat at the small on-site restaurant. I'm thinking there'd be 5-10 or other girls to choose from, or from another similar hotel a 10 minute walk away, for another 5-10 girls.[/QUOTE]And follow up on which doctor you use in case she infected you.

I did a 24-hour layover in Bangkok earlier this week.

I got a hotel just 1-minute walk from Nana Plaza.

First night, I had a 2000st TF girl and I would say it was worth it.

I woke up early the following day and was struggling with what to do during the day time. I just look the BTS and Metro around town and there's definitely some good looking civvies, but I didn't meet anyone. I got friendly looks and maybe that's an option in the future if I feel like putting effort into it.

I went in to Hooters around noon and it seems within the realm of possibility to exchange Line and make an offer to a girl there if you talk and chat a bit, and I will keep that in mind for the future because that would be fun.

After that I spent my time in my hotel on TF. One girl came over but she didn't look as good as her photos and we just weren't compatible in bed. After she gave me head for a while and got on bed, I told her I'd just give her 1000 to leave now instead of the 2000 we agreed on.

I found that most good looking TF girls are wanting at least 3000st, some asking as high as 5000st. I don't mind paying 3000st if she's very attractive, but I've been asking them to do a short video call. Just stand up with clothes on to verify appearance and many of them refuse.

Around 4 pm, I walked past the beer bars that are by Nana Plaza and OMG the girls are hideous. Last time I looked at those bars was in 2019 and I don't remember them being that ugly. Maybe I had lower standards of looks back then, I'm not sure. I forced myself to walk into one of them and I wad ushered by the staff to sit in a seat at a table where 2 girls were at playing pool. I pretended to look at the drink menu, and then left.

I went back to my hotel and waited for 7 pm for Nana to open. I didn't have high hopes for having a good time at Nana because last time I went there in 2022, it was a subpar experience. (The girl was good looking, but she didn't have a condom and I didn't think of bringing my own so I paid for an expensive BJ). This time, however, I was pleasantly surprised. It seems 7 pm is a bit early, so I had some food at the bar in the center to kill time first, then I went into one of the gogos on the 2nd floor and there was about 10 girls on stage. Half of them were hot. I picked one, the price was 1000 to the bar, 3000 to the girl, and 400 for our drinks. Without getting into unnecessary detail, her service was good and she was friendly and pleasant to be around. Worth the price.

I forgot to try Fiwfans, but I'll try when I return later this year.

A few questions.

In Nana, is Twisters (first floor) still open? Last time I was here that place had the most girls. Maybe I just sent too early, even though the sign says open at 19:00.

What's with the girls sitting outside on the balconies in front of the gogos? Are they working? Some of them seem dressed up like they are. Most of them are just sitting there. Not eating or anything.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2939228]I just left T-ded, from the BTS you kinda walk through a hospital car park to get to it.

Went in, dead quiet. Only 3-4 girls and fair enough it's early but the place smells of piss I have to say.

As others mentioned you have to order food & a drink. Some kind of whisky on promo ATM but I was told 300/ h for the girl to sit with you, room is 150/ h? Had to use Google translate but managed to get the gist. I know I went early but some quick maths and it's probably like 550-600 for just an hour alone. I don't know, maybe expecting a bit more but I just left.[/QUOTE]I think you did not go to the right bar. There is no hospital parking lot anywhere near there LOL. It's opposite a 7/11 and the place has about 150 girls inside and has never smelled like piss.

As for the rooms and girls, it's 2500 baht for ST and it includes the room.

The polka eons around 9. At that time all the girls will be in the back getting make up or they sit in a large room of seating along the back hall way by the toilets. I think you better stay away from the Thai places mate. The club is huge and wraps around another side where the other karaoke rooms and toilets are. I really think you either went to the wrong place or you just are not that good a navigating your way around. also if you can't speak Thai, everything in here will be difficult for you.

What time did you go? 6PM lol

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2939354]A few questions.

In Nana, is Twisters (first floor) still open? Last time I was here that place had the most girls. Maybe I just sent too early, even though the sign says open at 19:00.

What's with the girls sitting outside on the balconies in front of the gogos? Are they working? Some of them seem dressed up like they are. Most of them are just sitting there. Not eating or anything.[/QUOTE]Yes Twisters is open.

The girls sitting outside are on their pause. It's not their turn to be on stage, they'll go back in when it's going to be their turn again.

If you fancy one of them, you can give her a sign to follow you inside, she will gladly do it.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2939368]I think you did not go to the right bar. There is no hospital parking lot anywhere near there LOL. It's opposite a 7/11 and the place has about 150 girls inside and has never smelled like piss.

As for the rooms and girls, it's 2500 baht for ST and it includes the room.

The polka eons around 9. At that time all the girls will be in the back getting make up or they sit in a large room of seating along the back hall way by the toilets. I think you better stay away from the Thai places mate. The club is huge and wraps around another side where the other karaoke rooms and toilets are. I really think you either went to the wrong place or you just are not that good a navigating your way around. also if you can't speak Thai, everything in here will be difficult for you.

What time did you go? 6PM lol[/QUOTE]I went at 730 p as I read that another bro went there about the same time and it was ok. But obviously I understand it may get a lot busier later.

I went from the closest BTS and walked there with the shortest route from Google maps.

So how much would you normally spend if you went by yourself? Maybe it's worth giving it another go but I wouldn't be rushing back personally.

It's been about 8 years since I was here. Same busy place I thought I would not return to. While I love the food, the kind people, and the sexual tolerance, I am more interested in curvier latina types. But since work brought me back I thought I check out the scene. Trip into Nana Plaza around 9 pm and tried three clubs. First was topo of the escalator immediately to the right. 15 girls in and out. Had a drink and the only one that interested me was taken. Next one a few doors down was new to me. It was tiny, just two rows of benches with the ladies standing on one side waving at the guys. Bought one drink (120) and a lady drink (200). Everyone looked like a doll. That's the theme I guess. She was attractive but not flirty in anyway. After a 10 min chat and I did not buy another drink for her, she left and I got the bill to leave. As a side note, the Chinese guy next to me apparently didn't get a second lady drink with anyone but wanted to stay and the mamasan asked him to tip her 500. She just stood in front of him waving "bye-bye". It's what he told me. Third club was quite but with 10 ladies. I picked "Pai" who was dark, curvy 24 yo with nice bouncy tits (only 2 were topless), She had two shots (150 ea) and did some grinding on me to get junior warmed UP. I agreed to ST (4000) after a shot with mamasan. Pai didn't want to walk the 10 minutes to my hotel so we tuk-tuked (200). Showered, then started DATY but she was on her phone. I just ate away until she warmed up and took me BBBJ. Wrapped up and pounded her multiple positions. Tiny pussy. She had a nice athletic body but basically whined with every thrust. Not really engaging. Wanted for me to buy her dinner but I gave her 150 for trip back and went to bed.

Took a trip to Mango Massage after my conference the following day. Arrive 4 pm with 12 women on lineup. Mamasan asked me what I wanted and I told her young, curvy with no baby damage. She said something to them in Thai and half left the room. Picked "Eddie" for 60 min nuru (3000) as she looked nice but was only one who didn't smile at me. Up stairs preview peek at underneath but she had on boy-shorts. I was a bit concerned about my selection. A-cup tits. In the room however, she had a warm smile and was generous with DFK, DATY, BBBJ and CFS. Had a great time.

Both ladies were from Isan.

Thanks to all the ongoing contributors here.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2939428]I went at 730 p as I read that another bro went there about the same time and it was ok. But obviously I understand it may get a lot busier later.

I went from the closest BTS and walked there with the shortest route from Google maps.

So how much would you normally spend if you went by yourself? Maybe it's worth giving it another go but I wouldn't be rushing back personally.[/QUOTE]If you go at that time, no one will be there. LOL. You got to all wrong LOL. At that time the girls are not all there.

All of those with staying power might need to note new guidance from sexual health experts, who advise switching your 'rubber' after 30 minutes of activity.

A recent study, where 500 couples from a number of countries timed how long sex lasted using a stopwatch, found on average intercourse lasts around 5. 4 minutes. However times from 0. 55 seconds to 44.1 minutes were recorded.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13772449/CHANGE-condom-time-prevent-pregnancies-STIs.html[/URL]

Thanks, but I'll never last 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2939475]All of those with staying power might need to note new guidance from sexual health experts, who advise switching your 'rubber' after 30 minutes of activity.

A recent study, where 500 couples from a number of countries timed how long sex lasted using a stopwatch, found on average intercourse lasts around 5. 4 minutes. However times from 0. 55 seconds to 44.1 minutes were recorded.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13772449/CHANGE-condom-time-prevent-pregnancies-STIs.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2939462]If you go at that time, no one will be there. LOL. You got to all wrong LOL. At that time the girls are not all there.[/QUOTE]I guess it's worth trying again at a later time.

But if I have it correct, it's roughly about 600-800 per hour at this place plus 2500ST? Just to give us bros an idea, then it doesn't seem that great tbh. So spend couple hours probably almost 4 k. Slightly better than gogos but I personally prefer seeing a girl in a bikini to check for that toned figure.

Jakarta is still absolute number one for me. At Classic hotel you just get one drink (from memory it's 100 baht equivalent) and the girl will sit with you for pretty long time, decent groping, they dance on you and they don't ask you for lady's drinks in my experience but of course you can get one. Pick a number 2nd girl for 3-some and it's about 1. 1 k baht. 3-some in Bangkok you're talking minimum 6-10 k baht depending if you go for 2 at Thermae or 2 gogos. Just some food for thought.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2939538]I guess it's worth trying again at a later time.

But if I have it correct, it's roughly about 600-800 per hour at this place plus 2500ST? Just to give us bros an idea, then it doesn't seem that great tbh. So spend couple hours probably almost 4 k. Slightly better than gogos but I personally prefer seeing a girl in a bikini to check for that toned figure.

Jakarta is still absolute number one for me. At Classic hotel you just get one drink (from memory it's 100 baht equivalent) and the girl will sit with you for pretty long time, decent groping, they dance on you and they don't ask you for lady's drinks in my experience but of course you can get one. Pick a number 2nd girl for 3-some and it's about 1. 1 k baht. 3-some in Bangkok you're talking minimum 6-10 k baht depending if you go for 2 at Thermae or 2 gogos. Just some food for thought.[/QUOTE]Here is the score. It's 2500ST including the room. The girls can sit with you and drink your alcohol you buy and the fee for their time to sit with you will be approximently 300-500 baht for the evening. I have never paid more than that. I never worry about that small fee as well. You save a ton on lady drinks with this model. However, honestly after your report, I would stay away unless you go with friends that speak Thai. I already see you having countless challenges. I really don't think going to a Thai club is your thing. For example, why would you go at 7:30 PM? Clubs don't open that early. Only bars in the tourist areas start that early. But clubs in regular parts of town never open officially at that hour. Makes sense right? Back home would you try to go to a club at 7:30? I am not talking about a pub, but a club. I don't even know how one could complain there were no girls in a club at that time LOL.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2939278]Today I had my first non-condom sex with a fiwfans girl, though I've only very recently started to make any effort at that (and only this year started to even do condomless sex with p4p girls).

Encounter was pretty much as normal for an average fiwfans girl. Messaged her admin (in this case she's listed as working for herself, so I guess it was herself I was messaging) that I had arrived, got the room number of one of the hotels fiwfans girls seem to like to use in Ratchada, and up I went.
Girl kinda looked like a 7. 5 AI-generated model on her profile photos, but in real life looked like a decent 21 year old 7/7. 5. Slim, small, nice fair skin, medium sized (relative to Thai) boobs. Only had a few reviews, but they were positive, so worth a gamble I thought.

Confirmed with her it was 1300 to pay for the 60 minutes before handing over the money, but she answered it was 2,000. A moment of confusion on my part, then I looked up at her and saw she was making a joke. Well, that's always welcome. Gave her the money and stripped down, telling her we should shower together, but she said she had already showered (good service girl will shower with you), so I showered alone. Got out of the shower and laid down on the bed. She then went into the bathroom and washed herself, seemingly on the toilet. Well, whatever.

Came out and lay down next to me, starting with a HJ, which did not really result in much. Gently pushed her head towards my dick and she gave me a 60 second blowjob, before she stretched out for the condom. Said I'd like her to continue sucking, but she said she did not like that. Asked her if Thai guys don't like blowjobs? She answered they like, but she doesn't like. Oh well, another minus.
Most fiwfans girl are a bit like this unfortunately, though I've met a handful of exceptions as I greatly enjoy BJs, and even prefer a BBBJ to condomed sex most of the time.

Pulled her on top of me instead then to suck on her boobs for a bit, while grinding my dick against her pussy. After some minutes of that, lay her down on the back and did the same. After a while of that, sat up between her legs and pushed my dick with my hand against her pussy, up and down, and eventually gently pushing my dick against her entrance. At that point she indicated I should put on the condom, but I instead asked her if she wanted a tip.

For what it matters, I asked in Thai. I speak only a very little Thai, but enough for very basic things like this. It did not seem like she understood much English, and I'm not sure she would have understood if I had asked in English, so as someone else here who seemingly does speak Thai well said, speaking at least some very basic Thai does help.

She answered my question by asking how much, and I said 1,000. She said ok, and I started to enter. She reached for the K-Y, but I said never mind that (I don't like it), and instead very slowly and carefully entered. After fucking her for some minutes, she asked me in Thai to not cum inside her, though I did not understand what she said, so she had to indicate with her hand that she wanted me to cum on her stomach. I managed to tell to her that I have had a vasectomy, and then we were ok about that (again: why these girls are seemingly not on the pill or something similar, I cannot fathom). We continued banging in a few positions, and I made an effort at getting her to enjoy it too, but she only started warming up a bit towards the end, a minute or two before I blew into her pussy.

Rolled off her and she jumped into the shower, while I relaxed on the bed for some minutes, then went and took a shower myself when she was done. Put on my clothes, give her the 1000 baht tip with a thanks, and a sa wat de krap as out the door I went.

So service vice this was pretty much a typical fiwfans encounter as far as I am concerned, but made noteworthy for me by being able to CIP the sweet young thing. Like I said, I'd rate her as a 7 only (though a solid one), but a 21 year old, slim, non-tattooed 7. In comparison, 99% of what I see at Nana and Cowboy is 5 or less to me, and the same for the sex-shops around Sukhumvit.
Service is however rather subpar on average with the fiwfans girls I'd say, though I've had a handful of exceptions. E. g. , I recently banged "Nut" at Mango massage. "Nut" is ok looking (and her considerable charm drives her up an additional notch or two), but she's not a sweet 21 year old thing (though she's not old either. Around 25 perhaps?). Nut's service on the other hand blows what little service the typical fiwfans girl offers out of the water, Unfortunately difficult to find both in one p4 p girl (much easier to find that with regular non-p4 p girls who actually want to bang you, rather than just your wallet).

Outside this particular hotel/long-term stay (Buddy place) there is a 180 baht / hour Thai massage place that gives an above average competent Thai massage with some 25-40 year old women. The shop itself is so tiny that one can't really get anything more than a massage (well, a HJ would perhaps be possible, but even that I'm not sure about due to how small and cramped the shop is), but since I like Thai massage, and the massage here is both better and cheaper, if I have time, I usually relax with a two hour Thai massage here after banging the girl.

I've banged a handful or two different girls in this particular 2-star hotel, so I guess if I was thus inclined and had the time, I could easily book another girl at the same hotel, timed to when my massage will finish. Or you could have a bit to eat at the small on-site restaurant. I'm thinking there'd be 5-10 or other girls to choose from, or from another similar hotel a 10 minute walk away, for another 5-10 girls.[/QUOTE]Great report. Glad it worked out for you.



[QUOTE=TConor;2939341] I hope you didn't spread any STD's And follow up on which doctor you use in case she infected you.[/QUOTE]


I think you might be posting this in the wrong place, as nobody here cares about this comment in here. Nobody!. So, stop wasting your keyboard strokes lol.

However, they might be interested in your thoughts in this thread:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-and-Sex-Related-Discussions-in-Thailand

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2939278]She then went into the bathroom and washed herself, seemingly on the toilet. Well, whatever.[/QUOTE]I think she used the hose to clean her pussy. That's what many girls do.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2939574]I think she used the hose to clean her pussy. That's what many girls do.[/QUOTE]Yes, for sure.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938575]After a two hour Thai massage (HJ offered, but no BJ unfortunately), I coincidentally passed by 7-heaven some hours ago on my way back, and I don't know wtf management does not fire whoever was sitting in the reception this evening. I didn't recognize her face, but once she started talking, I remembered this is the same cun.t who has caused me to simply walk out more than once during the last five years due to her rude and "I don't give a fuck" attitude to whatever question you might ask.[/QUOTE]I went to 7-heaven as well, a couple of weeks ago, and the lady at the reception was very friendly, so apparently it was another one.
It was my first time at this place. She handed me a notebook with pictures of all the girls, and I choose Dao. She looked like a 7.5 or 8 in her pictures, slim and in her early twenties, but in reality she was a 7 in her late twenties, or maybe even early thirties, and a few pounds heavier. And she had some tattoos that were not in the pictures, LOL. So next time I think I will ask for a line up of the girls.
Nevertheless she looked good, had nice tits and a delicious firm ass, and she gave me an amazingly subtle blowjob. It was one of those rare times that a girl in a BJ bar did not just go up and down all the time, in a monotonous manner, to get the job done.
So within 5 minutes or so, I already blew my load in her mouth. Although I admit that I was horny as hell, because I had just arrived that afternoon. Once my dick realizes we're back in Thailand, he can't hold back.
The damage was 1300 baht, plus 100 baht tip. [URL]https://www.7-heavenbkk.com/girls[/URL].

The next day I invited one of my regular girls in Bangkok to come to my hotel (which may sound like I have many regulars there, but in fact I have only two at the moment). To my surprise she showed up in a black and white outfit that could only be some kind of uniform. I always thought she was a full time freelancer, but now she told me she works as a medical assistant in a clinic. It was nice to get to know this girl a little bit better, because she is always a bit reserved and not very talkative. Now she opened up a little, when we chatted about her job and some other things.
I like this girl. She's a 25 yo little spinner with just an average face, but with a killer body and a pussy that feels so damn good (she has no kids). Furthermore she gives a mean blowjob, loves DATY very much, and never complains about anything. So I don't mind that she's not giving a GFE. Damage: 2000 baht for BBBJ, DATY, and BBFSCIP.

The next day I went to Pattaya. Maybe I'll write a report about my adventures there later.

About two weeks later I came back to Bangkok. I wanted to see 'my' medical assistant again, but she didn't respond to my message in Line, and didn't even read it. This has happened before, so I had a plan B, and that was Dao at 7-heaven. This time I wanted to ask her for boom-boom as well.
But when I walked down the alley towards 7-heaven, I passed two girls sitting outside in front of a 'massage' parlor, clearly aimed at Japanese and Koreans, called Princess. One of them was only average, but the other one was a solid 8. Af first I walked a bit further, but then decided to go back. The solid 8 got up from her seat and welcomed me. After some chit chat I asked if she could give me a 'massage'. She looked surprised but immediately said yes, with a big smile.
We went inside and there were two Japanese or Korean men sitting on a couch with a mamasan, studying the 'menu', with two girls sitting on another couch in front of them. I had to wait on another couch on the side until they had made a decision, but it took them quite long. The two girls in front of them were only slightly above average and apparently not to their liking, because after a few minutes they pointed at 'my' solid 8. The mamasan said she was already taken, and I said 'sorry guys' with a big grin (loved this part).
They left empty handed, and I sat down with the mamasan. I choose one hour massage with 'special', or something like that, from the menu, after mamasan admitted that 'special' meant 'sex'. The damage was 2200 baht, IRCC, to be paid upfront.
I went upstairs with the solid 8, who said her name was Lina. Doesn't sound very Thai, but who cares. I had a nice session with her. Her massage skills were only average, and her BJ skills only slightly above average. But she was young (24) and adorable in every aspect, both physically and mentally, and a genuine sweetheart. She didn't want to give BBFS, but I expected that and didn't bother to change her mind. So I let her finish it with a BBBJ, although unfortunately she wouldn't let me come in her mouth.
Oh well, maybe next time. She was a real pleasure to be with, so I gave her 200 baht tip.

The next day I got a reply from the medical assistant. She said she had 'issues' the day before, but could meet me now. Unfortunately I was already on my way to the airport to go back home.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2939574]I think she used the hose to clean her pussy. That's what many girls do.[/QUOTE]Yes I have noticed that the toilets here all have a sprayer hose connected to them.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2939595]Yes I have noticed that the toilets here all have a sprayer hose connected to them.[/QUOTE]Is that what it is for? I thought it was a drinking fountain.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2939594]I choose Dao. She looked like a 7.5 or 8 in her pictures, slim and in her early twenties, but in reality she was a 7 in her late twenties, or maybe even early thirties, and a few pounds heavier. And she had some tattoos that were not in the pictures, LOL. So next time I think I will ask for a line up of the girls.[/QUOTE]You will not get a lineup. Can only choose from screen.

FWIW, one time or another I asked the receptionist (not that ogre I've mentioned before) what if the girl does not look like the photo and I don't want her?

Answer I got was "can change, one time only. " Not tried this in practice however.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2939671]Is that what it is for? I thought it was a drinking fountain.[/QUOTE]Haha sometimes you really crack me up 😀.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2939595]Yes I have noticed that the toilets here all have a sprayer hose connected to them.[/QUOTE]They have the bum gun all over Brazil and I have them in my house in the States as well.

I want to mention Smile BKK as I haven't heard anybody comment about it lately. It's in an alley just off Soi 16, about 10 meters from the more popular Duangporn Haven Massage. I visited Smile BKK a few days ago and had a great time. My girl was Sandy and her service was excellent. It's pricey but I found the selection to be very good and worth the price premium. I paid B1600 for a bbj which included a bath and decent massage. It's mainly a full service shop but I don't recall those rates. I would guess about B2200. They hand you a rate card with all the prices. And most important is you get a live lineup. They had about 10 girls on a Wednesday afternoon at 5 pm. When looking for a BJ place it is very convenient to check out Duangporn and Smile BKK as they are almost right next to each other.

[URL]www.smilebangkak.com[/URL] (And I realize they missed Bangkok).

Bun Bun 1. BunBun 2. Hahaha.

Apparently old Nana Plaza short time rooms have been converted to above.

Anyone been?

Dated info per Stickman Jan 2024.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2939848]Bun Bun 1. BunBun 2. Hahaha.

Apparently old Nana Plaza short time rooms have been converted to above.

Anyone been?

Dated info per Stickman Jan 2024.[/QUOTE]I thought the short time rooms have been gone for a long while.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2939724]They have the bum gun all over Brazil and I have them in my house in the States as well.[/QUOTE]Best thing ever. Installed it at my home in Europe also.

Sadly a lot of "up-scale / want to-be up-scale" hotels and places in Thailand have converted to the western style toilets without water for cleaning, but tissue instead.

A few are fortunately combining it with the more Hi-tech Japanese toilets though, which are even better (though very pricey).

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2939878]Best thing ever. Installed it at my home in Europe also.

Sadly a lot of "up-scale / want to-be up-scale" hotels and places in Thailand have converted to the western style toilets without water for cleaning, but tissue instead.

A few are fortunately combining it with the more Hi-tech Japanese toilets though, which are even better (though very pricey).[/QUOTE]The first time I ever had one of those Japanese toilets in a room, I grabbed a good book and a hot dog and relaxed for a while.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2939724]They have the bum gun all over Brazil and I have them in my house in the States as well.[/QUOTE]Here's my set up here in my airbnb in Pattaya. It's my first time ever seeing one of these. The girls all use it to clean themselves after our sessions.

Also it's come in handy when I run out of toilet paper too.

Maybe I'll get one installed in my apartment in Medellin when I get back down there.

Gabacho.

Is 6 hours Layover at the airport realistically enough to catch any action?

If yes, where?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2939992]Here's my set up here in my airbnb in Pattaya. It's my first time ever seeing one of these. The girls all use it to clean themselves after our sessions. Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I don't use them because it seems water would spray all over the floor because of the high water pressure. Maybe I need to search youtube for a how to video. The Japanese toilets are great.

[QUOTE=Opama;2940134]Is 6 hours Layover at the airport realistically enough to catch any action?

If yes, where?[/QUOTE]No, forget about it.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2940222]No, forget about it.[/QUOTE]It could be done, but way to expensive and too many things could go wrong. And would not be relaxing.

Pre covid ID arrive at 8 pm and be at tulip by 10 pm and back to novotel survarnabhumi by midnight. Was flying business class so had priority immigration and luggage.

Advantage of tulip is it avoids the worst of asok and sukhumvit.

Long time ago though. Lots of caveats. And missing a flight can cause hell.

[QUOTE=Opama;2940134]Is 6 hours Layover at the airport realistically enough to catch any action?

If yes, where?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allover;2940213]I don't use them because it seems water would spray all over the floor because of the high water pressure. Maybe I need to search youtube for a how to video. The Japanese toilets are great.[/QUOTE]The one I've been using you can hold the trigger down just half way for less pressure. You don't have to go gung ho on the the bum gun trigger.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2939992]Here's my set up here in my airbnb in Pattaya. It's my first time ever seeing one of these. The girls all use it to clean themselves after our sessions.

Also it's come in handy when I run out of toilet paper too.

Maybe I'll get one installed in my apartment in Medellin when I get back down there.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Forget toilet paper. Living in Thailand, the bum gun is absolutely essential. It is the first thing I miss on my trips back to my home country. It does a far more thorough and cleaner job than paper; although I do use paper to dry off afterwards.

[QUOTE=TConor;2940234]It could be done, but way to expensive and too many things could go wrong. And would not be relaxing.[/QUOTE]12 hrs can be ok, not 6. I did it with a flight out around midnight.

But then you need to see when those hrs will take place once in town. Then one needs to factor the logistic, the lack of a room etc.

As you say: stressful.

Went Saturday late afternoon, still light out. Not much of a bar. Is that The old Annie's across the street? Anyhow, line up was not great but I chose a thicker one with bigger boobs, Nuut. Paid 1000 for BJ. Upstairs in a room with a worn out recliner chair and a sink. Clean up sat and she went to town. She did great job and offered other services. Couldn't nut due to previous nutting. Overall, nice convenient spot (for me) that's nicely priced.

Monday night visit. Billboard was moderately busy. Not sure what the deal is but one side in the big jacuzzi tub (not filled) danced 10 ladies topless, and the other side carousel they had black bikini's. Sat next to this Chinese guy who was a verbally abusing his girl forcing her to drink the shots (lots). She ended up being carried away. There were at least 3-5 very attractive ladies I wanted to spend some time with but didn't find an empty booth. Moved on to one of the other bars (Bunny? Totally empty except for one other patron. First time I noticed this place as it had two stages with bikini-clad ladies and off to the side a jacuzzi tub with two nude ladies and the other patron handling them (soaping them up). I joined him and apparently you have to buy them drinks to touch them. After some confusion on who and what drinks, I chose a real dark stunning girl with nice natural see-cups who just came in and seemed ready to jump in the tub. She basically stood at my stool and grinded on me allowing me to fondle her and DFK. The other one in the tub came out and danced in front of me and the other patron. Turns out I paid for her as well. After a few songs I called it quits as I wasn't in the mood for a bar fine or more lady drinks. I can't remember the name of the last bar on the 2nd floor (2 patrons) but I spent some time with a thick 30 year old who gave me a continuous HJ while we were in the booth as I fondled her big tits and massaged her pussy (outside her bottoms). Really would have done a ST with her but went home in the rain instead. Billboard seemed to be the busiest out of all of them.

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2940294]Is that The old Annie's across the street? [/QUOTE]It's called Annie's, but I'm not certain how much of a connection it has with the original.

[QUOTE=Allover;2939764]I want to mention Smile BKK as I haven't heard anybody comment about it lately. It's in an alley just off Soi 16, about 10 meters from the more popular Duangporn Haven Massage. I visited Smile BKK a few days ago and had a great time. My girl was Sandy and her service was excellent. It's pricey but I found the selection to be very good and worth the price premium. I paid B1600 for a bbj which included a bath and decent massage. It's mainly a full service shop but I don't recall those rates. I would guess about B2200. They hand you a rate card with all the prices. And most important is you get a live lineup. They had about 10 girls on a Wednesday afternoon at 5 pm. When looking for a BJ place it is very convenient to check out Duangporn and Smile BKK as they are almost right next to each other.

[URL]www.smilebangkak.com[/URL] (And I realize they missed Bangkok).[/QUOTE]Wonder Massage is also in that small alley, right across from Smile. I didn't realize Duangporn Haven was actually a place of interest. I have never seen many pretty girls there and so just walked by on the way to Smile and Wonder. Wonder is also pretty good. By my type, it had an outstanding lineup the last time I was there.

I would agree about Smile. There are a few girls with very open service, though it's been a while since I've gone there. I haven't been punting much -- too busy and / or poor at the moment.

When going with friends do you have separate bins or same bin? This is the first time a friend of mine is joining me going to gogos and such. I usually go by myself but I feel it's much difficult to track drinks, mamasan, Barfines when another person is on the bin. And I want to be able to book and leave any time I want. Is it better to separate the bins?

I TOFTT-ed as I did not read much about this Peak place. Went 5 pm Tuesday. Seems to be located in a district with lots of Chinese shops. It's located on the 2nd floor of big corporate offices. Supermarket across the street. When I arrived at the top of the steps, I could see one gal napping on the bunk bed of the worker bedroom. Two Chinese papa-sans explained pricing but my Mandarin is rusty so had to use Google to translate the menu. Don't bother as it doesn't say anything descriptive. 4 k, 7 k, 10 k for 90 minutes, I think. Pricier than I was planning but decided to get the middle option. I chose a blonde out of the only 4 line up. She confirmed all were Chinese but there are also Thai and Vietnamese working there supposedly later. Very nice contemporary, spacious facilities. Nice young figure with a big Bush. The 25 year old tells me she had only been there a few days and will stay a month. Tried a light touch in shower and she flinched telling me she had liposuction around her waist 26 days ago and still sensitive. No nuru even though the inflatable bed in a large shower was there (says she didn't "know how" to do it). So far lots of red flags including the level of conversation (she did not know where France was for instance). Had not paid so considered cutting my losses. But continued with her to see the so called "wan-style" service. It's basically the lady with alternating warm and cold water in her mouth slurping as she sucks your back to your legs and back down. Not sexy just tickles. Then she takes this device (a butt plug but soft silicone) and rubs it along the same route until it reaches your a-hole. She asked me to assume the position and I basically stopped her there. Flip happened and more warm water slurping until a quick BBBJ. She wraps me up with the smallest condom and comments on my size. Basic positions in a tiny, tight pussy with her moaning (but like in pain) and I called it quits as it wasn't going to happen with her. Can't grab her waist, no kissing, no DATY and inexperienced. Showered, dressed and back down to reception to pay. Not going there again.

First time I ordered a Grab motorbike to go across town because I thought I save some cash. No helmet, tons of traffic, breaking laws- I thought I was going to die. I rather pay 10 x more.

Had to release, so decided to go to Snow White. Paid an outrageous 2700 (compared to the 7 k I just threw away). Chose "Audi" from line up of 8, a dark latina shaped Thai (29 yo). Almost a BBW but the big DS were great to play with. She was so much fun in a small unfussy room. Tipped and out to find some food.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2940341]Wonder Massage is also in that small alley, right across from Smile. I didn't realize Duangporn Haven was actually a place of interest. I have never seen many pretty girls there and so just walked by on the way to Smile and Wonder. Wonder is also pretty good. By my type, it had an outstanding lineup the last time I was there.[/QUOTE]I didn't see the girls at Wonder as they were inside the shop lining up for a customer to choose. Live lineups are far better than choosing a girl from a tablet pic. Duangporn used to be called Som's Haven and it has been reported on here in the past. Selection of girls at Duangporn isn't as good as Smile (and probably Wonder) but Duangporn charges B800 for a BJ which is reasonable. I found a good one there once a few weeks ago. I would say Duangporn is definitely a step up from Lolita's and Kasalong but that's not saying much.

In case anyone wanted to try a real spa (not having to do with sex), I can recommend this Yunomori Onsen & Spa on Sukhumvit Soi 26 (also another sister). Reminds me of the Finnish ones but naked and not co-ed. Lots of instructions on slippers, keys, lockers, towels, and how to tie your yukata. But really a fabulous experience for 550. Some of the pools are really hot 44 degrees and sauna is really hot too. Patron make up on the men's side in the two hours I spent there was 3 thai, 8 chinese, two white guys. Didn't try any of the massage treatments.

[QUOTE=Allover;2940213]I don't use them because it seems water would spray all over the floor because of the high water pressure. Maybe I need to search youtube for a how to video. [/QUOTE]Do you think Thai people would have been using them for, I don't know how long (40 year? 50? If it was like that? Yeah, you need to search for a how-to, if the how-to is not obvious to you for some reason. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

The more ancient version, consisting of a big tub of water and a bucket, which you still find out in the countrysides unfortunately, now that's a different beast. But the current version: much superior to what we have in the west as far as both hygiene and comfort is concerned, so better learn to use it while you have the chance. Then you'll want to install it at your place in the west.

[QUOTE=JustLoggedInto;2940362]When going with friends do you have separate bins or same bin?[/QUOTE]They usually give everyone a separate one. Then if you choose to pay your friend's, you just take the ticket out of his cup and put it in your cup.

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2940275]Forget toilet paper. Living in Thailand, the bum gun is absolutely essential. It is the first thing I miss on my trips back to my home country. It does a far more thorough and cleaner job than paper; although I do use paper to dry off afterwards.[/QUOTE]Always thought they were for cleaning the toilet bowel itself rather than your arse! Help the maids etc! Great, something to look forward to now on the next trip.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2940603]They usually give everyone a separate one. Then if you choose to pay your friend's, you just take the ticket out of his cup and put it in your cup.[/QUOTE]My experience has been that you will get ONE check-bin for the table unless you ask for two when ordering. 1 per table is easier for the bar, but much better for each customer to have a separate bin / cup. Customers can "audit" their bills much easier. As a the nights wear on, guys can easily lose track of what they're buying. 555.

SS.

[QUOTE=Allover;2940213]I don't use them because it seems water would spray all over the floor because of the high water pressure. Maybe I need to search youtube for a how to video. The Japanese toilets are great.[/QUOTE]Many Thai girls leave water spray all over the toilet and nearby floor. But, in Thai bathrooms it really doesn't matter since they typically have floor drains and the Thai toilet paper wall hangers often have covers. I worry about putting a bum gun in my house because I have no floor drains and I can imagine a water disaster if the bum gun valve gets stuck in the open position. Even so, they are so fantastic that I might install them in my home.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2940754]Many Thai girls leave water spray all over the toilet and nearby floor. But, in Thai bathrooms it really doesn't matter since they typically have floor drains and the Thai toilet paper wall hangers often have covers. I worry about putting a bum gun in my house because I have no floor drains and I can imagine a water disaster if the bum gun valve gets stuck in the open position. Even so, they are so fantastic that I might install them in my home.[/QUOTE]At least in many homes, condos, apartments, etc. They have a cover, Why? The hose is just one more part of the cultural aspects of cleaning the bathroom. The whole design of the bathrooms is so the cleaner can use the hose to spray the place down. Just another use for it.

Gents and veterans.

Was wondering if there was a place where many non-thai (I. E. Viet, Cambodian, Laos, Chinese, etc.) girls and freelancers normally hang out at to be picked up. Did some research and a found a few names such as Rajah hotel, Grace hotel, Mixx, in front of Nana, and possibly Khao San Road clubs. I'm aware some may be on ThaiFriendly, Tinder, Bumble, dating apps, and there's the escort sites too. Not sure what locations are open or where these girls have moved to. I know I'm in Thailand to get with Thai women, but I enjoy variety when I know its available.

On another note, when is the best time to go see the freelancers in front of Nana? Basically, when are the most girls there?

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2940379]I TOFTT-ed as I did not read much about this Peak place. Went 5 pm Tuesday. Seems to be located in a district with lots of Chinese shops. It's located on the 2nd floor of big corporate offices. Supermarket across the street. When I arrived at the top of the steps, I could see one gal napping on the bunk bed of the worker bedroom. Two Chinese papa-sans explained pricing but my Mandarin is rusty so had to use Google to translate the menu. Don't bother as it doesn't say anything descriptive. 4 k, 7 k, 10 k for 90 minutes, I think. Pricier than I was planning but decided to get the middle option. I chose a blonde out of the only 4 line up. She confirmed all were Chinese but there are also Thai and Vietnamese working there supposedly later. Very nice contemporary, spacious facilities. Nice young figure with a big Bush. The 25 year old tells me she had only been there a few days and will stay a month. Tried a light touch in shower and she flinched telling me she had liposuction around her waist 26 days ago and still sensitive. No nuru even though the inflatable bed in a large shower was there (says she didn't "know how" to do it). So far lots of red flags including the level of conversation (she did not know where France was for instance). Had not paid so considered cutting my losses. But continued with her to see the so called "wan-style" service. It's basically the lady with alternating warm and cold water in her mouth slurping as she sucks your back to your legs and back down. Not sexy just tickles. Then she takes this device (a butt plug but soft silicone) and rubs it along the same route until it reaches your a-hole. She asked me to assume the position and I basically stopped her there. Flip happened and more warm water slurping until a quick BBBJ. She wraps me up with the smallest condom and comments on my size. Basic positions in a tiny, tight pussy with her moaning (but like in pain) and I called it quits as it wasn't going to happen with her. Can't grab her waist, no kissing, no DATY and inexperienced. Showered, dressed and back down to reception to pay. Not going there again.

First time I ordered a Grab motorbike to go across town because I thought I save some cash. No helmet, tons of traffic, breaking laws- I thought I was going to die. I rather pay 10 x more.

Had to release, so decided to go to Snow White. Paid an outrageous 2700 (compared to the 7 k I just threw away). Chose "Audi" from line up of 8, a dark latina shaped Thai (29 yo). Almost a BBW but the big DS were great to play with. She was so much fun in a small unfussy room. Tipped and out to find some food.[/QUOTE]Audi almost a BBW? She at least 15 k if not 20 k overweight. That's big, very big.

I've noticed that so many punters, probably do to the enormous size of women outside of Asia have a very different idea of what is fat than the majority of us that live here. Unless she's quite tall anything over 50 K is just about too big.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2940799]Gents and veterans.

Was wondering if there was a place where many non-thai (I. E. Viet, Cambodian, Laos, Chinese, etc.) girls and freelancers normally hang out at to be picked up. Did some research and a found a few names such as Rajah hotel, Grace hotel, Mixx, in front of Nana, and possibly Khao San Road clubs. I'm aware some may be on ThaiFriendly, Tinder, Bumble, dating apps, and there's the escort sites too. Not sure what locations are open or where these girls have moved to. I know I'm in Thailand to get with Thai women, but I enjoy variety when I know its available.

On another note, when is the best time to go see the freelancers in front of Nana? Basically, when are the most girls there?[/QUOTE]Down Soi 4 on the right side you'll find Viets on the sidewalk.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2940802]Audi almost a BBW? She at least 15 k if not 20 k overweight. That's big, very big.

I've noticed that so many punters, probably do to the enormous size of women outside of Asia have a very different idea of what is fat than the majority of us that live here. Unless she's quite tall anything over 50 K is just about too big.[/QUOTE]Planning three sessions at snow white, finalised smile and fuji, can you suggest the third, your recommenndations, you are so experienced.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;2940818]Planning three sessions at snow white, finalised smile and fuji, can you suggest the third, your recommenndations, you are so experienced.[/QUOTE]Smile is ok. Grace and Meya. Grace a true spinner and Meya probably the best looking. Candy can be okay depending on her mood. And Candy doesn't have a kid so no map on the stomach.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2940799]Gents and veterans.

Was wondering if there was a place where many non-thai (I. E. Viet, Cambodian, Laos, Chinese, etc.) girls and freelancers normally hang out at to be picked up. Did some research and a found a few names such as Rajah hotel, Grace hotel, Mixx, in front of Nana, and possibly Khao San Road clubs. I'm aware some may be on ThaiFriendly, Tinder, Bumble, dating apps, and there's the escort sites too. Not sure what locations are open or where these girls have moved to. I know I'm in Thailand to get with Thai women, but I enjoy variety when I know its available.

On another note, when is the best time to go see the freelancers in front of Nana? Basically, when are the most girls there?[/QUOTE]BangKock is "like a box of chocolates", meandering around Soi Nana and Sukhumvit you will encounter quite a few non Thai SW's. Just smile, say Hello, and ask them where there from? Yesterday I came across a Mongolian MILF, that I was interested in doing (first Mongol) and got her down to 1500 Baht. But she didn't want to walk to my hotel 4 blocks away, so I walk. Se la vie. Enjoy the chase and the different flavors one can cum across while in BKK. Luvchicas.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2940803]Down Soi 4 on the right side you'll find Viets on the sidewalk.[/QUOTE]My only attempted ripoff was with one of those girls. Be warned, be careful.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2940831]Smile is ok. Grace and Meya. Grace a true spinner and Meya probably the best looking. Candy can be okay depending on her mood. And Candy doesn't have a kid so no map on the stomach.[/QUOTE]Lot of thanks for your quick response, smile is good. Fuji was known as Bella IN cherry, she is also good, will book meya or grace for third session. Some what could not click with candy, when I had a session with her. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2940803]Down Soi 4 on the right side you'll find Viets on the sidewalk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2940895]My only attempted ripoff was with one of those girls. Be warned, be careful.[/QUOTE]I've also had problems with Viet girls, but my sample size is very small (maybe 4). Lao is the only nationality that I favor over Thai.

Just finished out 10 days in Thailand. Spent 5 days in Bangkok and 5 in Pattaya. Hoping this detailed report will be useful to others traveling out this way. I'm posting in both the Bangkok and Pattaya threads.

Just by way of quick background, I'm from NYC and frequent a lot of the agencies there that have young Japanese girls working, so that was sorta my reference point for this trip. Now that I've mongered abroad, I'm starting to realize how good we have it in NYC as far as quality and service goes, although it is expensive. My report on the 10 days spent in Thailand is as follows:

Bangkok:

La belle: Tried this place on my last day as I wanted to experience one of Bangkok's famous "entertainment complexes". The place is basically a hotel but for hookers and massage LOL. Big lobby when you walk in where customers can sit and drink. Girls are up on a stage and seated near the bar as well. Every girl had a different ranking / price with the lower end being about $3 k baht for 90 minutes while upper end was 6-8 k. Most of the pricier girls had a more East Asian look with pale skin, and a few that I talked to said they were in fact mixed Thai / Chinese. I ended up doing a double here for under 10 k baht. Fun times but I do think you will find younger, cuter and less seasoned girls working at the gogo bars. You will also be able to get extras at the gogos like BBFS and video if that's your thing. I doubt these upgrades are on the table at soapy massage joints. I will also note that they don't have air mats at La Belle, which sorta sucks. You will get a nice soapy massage in the tub but they can't really do nuru. Still, this place was an experience, had around 30 girls available when I went during the afternoon, and there was way less BS to deal with compared to gogo. Good prices too.

Dozo Massage: Went here on my first day and I was so exhausted from the 20 hour flight I almost fell asleep during the mat play LOL. Similar experience to La belle but fewer girls and smaller venue. Not very GFE but the Mat play and nuru were pretty good, think I spent about it 6-8 k for 60 minutes. Tried to come back here on my last night but they only had 3 girls available so I bailed. I would recommend the place. Girls were hot and the soapy massage plus mat play was pretty damn good. But I think you're better off going early in the day. Seemed kinda dead when I went at night. During my first visit I went in the afternoon and they gave me a lineup of maybe 6-7 girls.

Aya Massage: This place was good bang for buck. Did 60 minutes nuru with a fairly hot girl, probably late 20's early 30's. Price was quite low at just 5 k baht for nuru and VIP room. Not my most memorable experience and again, no air mat for nuru. But if you're looking for some low cost fun, it's a good option. They gave me a lineup of at least 20 girls. A few of their girls were hot and young, some less so. It's a mid tier spot.

Kings Castle 1: Best gogo bar I went to in PatPong. I never would have found this spot on my own. But I was fortunate enough to meet another American at one of the gogo bars who had spent 6 months living in Bangkok. He took me to patpong one night and we ended up at this place. They have hot young girls and I took home a gem. One of my favorite girls of the trip. Young, slim and cute with braces, no tattoos, perfect tits and a tight ass. Wanted her to stay for overnight but she had class in the AM haha. Paid 5 k for ST plus 2 k tip to creampie her.

Baccara: The only place on Soi Cowboy that I found was worth my time. My newfound expat buddy mentioned above introduced me to the place during my first or second night in Bangkok. They had some hot young girls working, but overall I found quality was much better in Nana Plaza. The main thing I liked about Baccara was it had a good vibe. All girls wore short skirts without panties and the bar right in front of the stage was a mirror hehe. Also, if you're on the first floor and look up, you can see through the stage on the second floor where more girls are dancing. Just tons of good upskirt action (seemed to be the theme at this place) and pretty fun putting these no panty girls on your lap after buying them a drink. Some girls will let you get a nice handful of bare ass and pussy LOL. The management was pretty chill too and wouldn't squeeze too hard on drinks.

Private 69: Smaller place on Nana plazas second floor but it had some hot young girls. I found a real gem here who I did long time with. Cost for long time was 8 k total including drinks. We vibed well and she was a hot young mixed Chinese / Thai girl, so I brought her along with me for part of the vacation. Banged her at least 5 times.

Rainbow 5: this was the bar where I met that other American and he told me that Rainbow 5 is the best spot in Nana. It just might be. ST barfine 5 k total and girls were young and hot. Long time was maybe around 8 k. Most of the clientele here was Asian and that's how you know the pussy is good. It's the same at the NYC agencies haha. I was one of the few white guys in that bar.

Billboard: I brought a pretty fun young girl home from here on the first night. Honestly forget what the barfine was, I want to say it was around 5 k for ST. Quality seemed pretty good overall. But when I went back later in the trip I didn't see many girls that caught my eye. Not enough college cuties here for my taste haha.

Shark / Afterskool: Located in soi cowboy, both places were duds for me. One of them (I forget which) really fucking annoyed me because they had cute young girls out front and on the stage but you couldn't barfine any of them. I bought drinks for 2 or 3 different girls before I was told you can't barfine any girls whose number started with a 5. Well, all the hot young girls had a number that started with 5 LOL. I told the two girls I was drinking with that the place was a waste of time, then paid my tab and walked the F out. Before I left they tried to show me one of the girls you could barfine and well. Not good LOL. Hard pass.

Pattaya:

Pinup: Probably the best bar on walking street in terms of quality of girls. Many cute young college girls. However they will milk the ever living shit out of you on drinks and the barfine is high. ST here was around 7 k all in and long time was slightly over 10 k. Compare that to Bangkok where the going rate is 4-5 k for short and 7. 5 for long. They also have some bullshit rule where if you want to barfine a girl, you need to buy an additional 5 drinks, so add another 1,000 baht. I recall I barfined a girl here and bought the 5 drinks for her so we could leave. She didn't even drink them. If you want to feel out a few different ladies, you will drop an easy 1. 5 k on drinks here. They also have different prices for different girls with some being assigned "model" designation and given a higher rate.

XS: Comparable quality to Pin up. I barfined some young hotties from here. Price slightly lower than Pin up and the vibe was a bit better too. Think I took home 2 or 3 girls from this bar. They had the same BS rule about buying 5 drinks before you barfined the girl. I told MMS to her face that "you guys really milk the tourist money here in Pattaya. " She got all pissy with me over that and told me to go back to Bangkok LOL. I did still buy the 5 drinks for the girl I wanted to barfine. She downed 5 tequilas then puked when I brought her back to my hotel. Thanks MMS. Stupid fucking rule. Just greedy BS. Anyways, moving on.

Opium: Pretty good but a rung below XS and pinup in terms of quality. I brought home one girl from this place and she was hot but attitude / service wasn't great. Mid to late 20's Chinese looking chick.

LK Metro area: I went here one night and it wasn't good. Girls weren't very hot and clearly older. Many bars had girls who were topeless or fully nude, which was nice. However, the hottest and youngest girls never go topless let alone fully nude. I bailed on LK after I walked the street and popped into a few different bars. Found the quality on walking street to be much better. Even the soi 6 cheapie girls looked better than most of the LK metro ladies. I'the heard that it was a hot spot, so maybe I just had bad timing.

Soi 6: I walked this street 2-3 times and checked out a few bars I can't rember the name of, but didn't fuck any girls here. Prices were very low compared to walking street. Girls would do ST for just 1,500 baht, others were asking for closer to 4 K. Quality was lower here IMO and girls were more high volume. It's also more of an incall experience since you just take them upstairs to fuck, rather than going back to your hotel. Not really my thing and I'the rather pay a bit more for the high end stuff. Still a fun experience just to walk the street and have the girls grab at you though.

General thoughts:

I liked Bangkok more than Pattaya. There's more to do there besides just mongering and the food is better. But also girls are just as hot IMO. Prices are much fairer, as Pattaya is upcharging hard for tourists on walking street. Not only are Bangkok prices better and girls just as good, but the bars are chiller and don't milk as hard in drinks. Pattaya also has some bullshit rule where if you want to pull a girl off the stage, you need to buy her 5 drinks. Otherwise you wait for her to finish dancing, which can take 15 minutes. This wasted a lot of time IMO and I didn't like having to sit around waiting. What I started doing in Pattaya just to move shit along was I would pick two girls at a time and buy both drinks. Then if neither were good, get another two when there was a new rotation. Feel out both girls and maybe one was good enough for barfine. Bangkok bars on the other hand let you pull the girl (or girls) you wanted right off stage with no wait time. This felt more organic IMO and meant less time was wasted. If I returned to Thailand one day, idk that I'd go to Pattaya again. Probably Bangkok and Phuket.

Prices were a bit higher than I expected. Don't get me wrong, it's still cheaper than the USA But it's not quite the cheap pussy paradise people make it out to be. Maybe it was 10 years ago, but no longer. I probably paid about 7 k baht all in on average to barfine chicks for ST. That's not much cheaper than NYC girls. Plus you've got hotel and airfare to pay. You can fuck Japanese college girls in Manhattan for about $240 for 30 minutes, so at a certain point coming to Thailand for mongering doesn't make a ton of sense when you factor in time, convenience and other expenses on top of 5-7 k baht ST barfine. The Japanese girls in NY are also just higher quality overall IMO. Obviously it's an experience to come here, but just food for thought. I'm glad I came when I did because in another 10 years it really may not make much sense anymore in terms of cost.

I liked the gogo bar system, but it's not perfect. I am on the younger side and in decent shape, so was able to barfine most of the girls I wanted. I did run into a few of the so called "coyotes" who are basically the very hot and very young girls (the type I was after) who just don't do barfine and instead will milk customers for drinks. My first few days in Bangkok I loved the gogo bars and thought they were fun as shit. But towards the end of the trip I started to grow tired of the mating ritual and my luck started to run out. I found most of the best bar girls early on in my trip. I also ran into some trouble towards the end because I had barfined many girls from the same bars, and the girls there clearly starting to know me and talk about me amongst each other. While I don't really give a shit if the girls talk, I felt this made it harder to barfine new girls at a certain point. The girls and the management have remarkably good memories at these places, and they are watching you closely. One girl I bought a drink for at Private 69 remembered seeing me in there a week prior, remembered which girl I had barfined and even remembered where I had sat. I had never met this girl until I bought her drink, but apparently she knew me. No issues like this at the soapy massage places, it was a more straightforward service there. I didn't play with any freelancers during my trip but I imagine it's more straightforward with those ladies as well.

I will also say I noticed that a lot of guys seemed to go to these gogo bars to just drink and hang out. My approach was very different. I was not going to gogo bars to hang out, I was going to barfine hot young girls. I would get bored after hanging out there for more than 40 minutes. Most of the girls don't really even dance on stage so it's not that entertaining. If I didn't see girls I wanted to fuck, I would leave immediately and go to another bar. I was like a man on a mission and was trying to move fast so I could potentially fuck two girls a night. This was harder in Pattaya since they forced you to sit around and wait for the girls to get off stage. I would also change girls real fast if I bought them drinks and didn't like their vibe or their look. I do think that my overall approach rubbed the girls and the staff the wrong way on a few occasions, and maybe gogos weren't a great fit for my style. Maybe they are just used to customers who like to waste time and spend money on overpriced drinks. I don't even drink alcohol BTW, which they occasionally teased me over. Again I really was just there for the pussy LOL.

Hotels:

Bangkok I stayed at S15 and The Landmark. I would recommend both. S15 a bit cheaper with good central location in between Nana and cowboy. Landmark was much fancier and right next to nana plaza.

Pattaya I stayed at Aya boutique hotel. It was good for bringing girls back since it's so close to walking street, but the hotel wasn't very nice. It looked better online IMO. Also did a night at the Arbour hotel which was much nicer, but sorta far from the action. Can't really recommend either.

All hotels were girl friendly.

Overall a fun trip and I would potentially go back one day. Enjoyed the pussy and the food was pretty good too. Cheers guys. Sorry for the long post!

[QUOTE=JPLove;2941066]Just finished out 10 days in Thailand. Spent 5 days in Bangkok and 5 in Pattaya. Hoping this detailed report will be useful to others traveling out this way. I'm posting in both the Bangkok and Pattaya threads.

Just by way of quick background, I'm from NYC and frequent a lot of the agencies there that have young Japanese girls working, so that was sorta my reference point for this trip. Now that I've mongered abroad, I'm starting to realize how good we have it in NYC as far as quality and service goes, although it is expensive. My report on the 10 days spent in Thailand is as follows:

Bangkok:

La belle: Tried this place on my last day as I wanted to experience one of Bangkok's famous "entertainment complexes". The place is basically a hotel but for hookers and massage LOL. Big lobby when you walk in where customers can sit and drink. Girls are up on a stage and seated near the bar as well. Every girl had a different ranking / price with the lower end being about $3 k baht for 90 minutes while upper end was 6-8 k. Most of the pricier girls had a more East Asian look with pale skin, and a few that I talked to said they were in fact mixed Thai / Chinese. I ended up doing a double here for under 10 k baht. Fun times but I do think you will find younger, cuter and less seasoned girls working at the gogo bars. You will also be able to get extras at the gogos like BBFS and video if that's your thing. I doubt these upgrades are on the table at soapy massage joints. I will also note that they don't have air mats at La Belle, which sorta sucks. You will get a nice soapy massage in the tub but they can't really do nuru. Still, this place was an experience, had around 30 girls available when I went during the afternoon, and there was way less BS to deal with compared to gogo. Good prices too.

Dozo Massage: Went here on my first day and I was so exhausted from the 20 hour flight I almost fell asleep during the mat play LOL. Similar experience to La belle but fewer girls and smaller venue. Not very GFE but the Mat play and nuru were pretty good, think I spent about it 6-8 k for 60 minutes. Tried to come back here on my last night but they only had 3 girls available so I bailed. I would recommend the place. Girls were hot and the soapy massage plus mat play was pretty damn good. But I think you're better off going early in the day. Seemed kinda dead when I went at night. During my first visit I went in the afternoon and they gave me a lineup of maybe 6-7 girls.

Aya Massage: This place was good bang for buck. Did 60 minutes nuru with a fairly hot girl, probably late 20's early 30's. Price was quite low at just 5 k baht for nuru and VIP room. Not my most memorable experience and again, no air mat for nuru. But if you're looking for some low cost fun, it's a good option. They gave me a lineup of at least 20 girls. A few of their girls were hot and young, some less so. It's a mid tier spot.

Kings Castle 1: Best gogo bar I went to in PatPong. I never would have found this spot on my own. But I was fortunate enough to meet another American at one of the gogo bars who had spent 6 months living in Bangkok. He took me to patpong one night and we ended up at this place. They have hot young girls and I took home a gem. One of my favorite girls of the trip. Young, slim and cute with braces, no tattoos, perfect tits and a tight ass. Wanted her to stay for overnight but she had class in the AM haha. Paid 5 k for ST plus 2 k tip to creampie her.

Baccara: The only place on Soi Cowboy that I found was worth my time. My newfound expat buddy mentioned above introduced me to the place during my first or second night in Bangkok. They had some hot young girls working, but overall I found quality was much better in Nana Plaza. The main thing I liked about Baccara was it had a good vibe. All girls wore short skirts without panties and the bar right in front of the stage was a mirror hehe. Also, if you're on the first floor and look up, you can see through the stage on the second floor where more girls are dancing. Just tons of good upskirt action (seemed to be the theme at this place) and pretty fun putting these no panty girls on your lap after buying them a drink. Some girls will let you get a nice handful of bare ass and pussy LOL. The management was pretty chill too and wouldn't squeeze too hard on drinks.

Private 69: Smaller place on Nana plazas second floor but it had some hot young girls. I found a real gem here who I did long time with. Cost for long time was 8 k total including drinks. We vibed well and she was a hot young mixed Chinese / Thai girl, so I brought her along with me for part of the vacation. Banged her at least 5 times.

Rainbow 5: this was the bar where I met that other American and he told me that Rainbow 5 is the best spot in Nana. It just might be. ST barfine 5 k total and girls were young and hot. Long time was maybe around 8 k. Most of the clientele here was Asian and that's how you know the pussy is good. It's the same at the NYC agencies haha. I was one of the few white guys in that bar.

Billboard: I brought a pretty fun young girl home from here on the first night. Honestly forget what the barfine was, I want to say it was around 5 k for ST. Quality seemed pretty good overall. But when I went back later in the trip I didn't see many girls that caught my eye. Not enough college cuties here for my taste haha.

Shark / Afterskool: Located in soi cowboy, both places were duds for me. One of them (I forget which) really fucking annoyed me because they had cute young girls out front and on the stage but you couldn't barfine any of them. I bought drinks for 2 or 3 different girls before I was told you can't barfine any girls whose number started with a 5. Well, all the hot young girls had a number that started with 5 LOL. I told the two girls I was drinking with that the place was a waste of time, then paid my tab and walked the F out. Before I left they tried to show me one of the girls you could barfine and well. Not good LOL. Hard pass.

Pattaya:

Pinup: Probably the best bar on walking street in terms of quality of girls. Many cute young college girls. However they will milk the ever living shit out of you on drinks and the barfine is high. ST here was around 7 k all in and long time was slightly over 10 k. Compare that to Bangkok where the going rate is 4-5 k for short and 7. 5 for long. They also have some bullshit rule where if you want to barfine a girl, you need to buy an additional 5 drinks, so add another 1,000 baht. I recall I barfined a girl here and bought the 5 drinks for her so we could leave. She didn't even drink them. If you want to feel out a few different ladies, you will drop an easy 1. 5 k on drinks here. They also have different prices for different girls with some being assigned "model" designation and given a higher rate.

XS: Comparable quality to Pin up. I barfined some young hotties from here. Price slightly lower than Pin up and the vibe was a bit better too. Think I took home 2 or 3 girls from this bar. They had the same BS rule about buying 5 drinks before you barfined the girl. I told MMS to her face that "you guys really milk the tourist money here in Pattaya. " She got all pissy with me over that and told me to go back to Bangkok LOL. I did still buy the 5 drinks for the girl I wanted to barfine. She downed 5 tequilas then puked when I brought her back to my hotel. Thanks MMS. Stupid fucking rule. Just greedy BS. Anyways, moving on.

Opium: Pretty good but a rung below XS and pinup in terms of quality. I brought home one girl from this place and she was hot but attitude / service wasn't great. Mid to late 20's Chinese looking chick.

LK Metro area: I went here one night and it wasn't good. Girls weren't very hot and clearly older. Many bars had girls who were topeless or fully nude, which was nice. However, the hottest and youngest girls never go topless let alone fully nude. I bailed on LK after I walked the street and popped into a few different bars. Found the quality on walking street to be much better. Even the soi 6 cheapie girls looked better than most of the LK metro ladies. I'the heard that it was a hot spot, so maybe I just had bad timing.

Soi 6: I walked this street 2-3 times and checked out a few bars I can't rember the name of, but didn't fuck any girls here. Prices were very low compared to walking street. Girls would do ST for just 1,500 baht, others were asking for closer to 4 K. Quality was lower here IMO and girls were more high volume. It's also more of an incall experience since you just take them upstairs to fuck, rather than going back to your hotel. Not really my thing and I'the rather pay a bit more for the high end stuff. Still a fun experience just to walk the street and have the girls grab at you though.

General thoughts:

I liked Bangkok more than Pattaya. There's more to do there besides just mongering and the food is better. But also girls are just as hot IMO. Prices are much fairer, as Pattaya is upcharging hard for tourists on walking street. Not only are Bangkok prices better and girls just as good, but the bars are chiller and don't milk as hard in drinks. Pattaya also has some bullshit rule where if you want to pull a girl off the stage, you need to buy her 5 drinks. Otherwise you wait for her to finish dancing, which can take 15 minutes. This wasted a lot of time IMO and I didn't like having to sit around waiting. What I started doing in Pattaya just to move shit along was I would pick two girls at a time and buy both drinks. Then if neither were good, get another two when there was a new rotation. Feel out both girls and maybe one was good enough for barfine. Bangkok bars on the other hand let you pull the girl (or girls) you wanted right off stage with no wait time. This felt more organic IMO and meant less time was wasted. If I returned to Thailand one day, idk that I'd go to Pattaya again. Probably Bangkok and Phuket.

Prices were a bit higher than I expected. Don't get me wrong, it's still cheaper than the USA But it's not quite the cheap pussy paradise people make it out to be. Maybe it was 10 years ago, but no longer. I probably paid about 7 k baht all in on average to barfine chicks for ST. That's not much cheaper than NYC girls. Plus you've got hotel and airfare to pay. You can fuck Japanese college girls in Manhattan for about $240 for 30 minutes, so at a certain point coming to Thailand for mongering doesn't make a ton of sense when you factor in time, convenience and other expenses on top of 5-7 k baht ST barfine. The Japanese girls in NY are also just higher quality overall IMO. Obviously it's an experience to come here, but just food for thought. I'm glad I came when I did because in another 10 years it really may not make much sense anymore in terms of cost.

I liked the gogo bar system, but it's not perfect. I am on the younger side and in decent shape, so was able to barfine most of the girls I wanted. I did run into a few of the so called "coyotes" who are basically the very hot and very young girls (the type I was after) who just don't do barfine and instead will milk customers for drinks. My first few days in Bangkok I loved the gogo bars and thought they were fun as shit. But towards the end of the trip I started to grow tired of the mating ritual and my luck started to run out. I found most of the best bar girls early on in my trip. I also ran into some trouble towards the end because I had barfined many girls from the same bars, and the girls there clearly starting to know me and talk about me amongst each other. While I don't really give a shit if the girls talk, I felt this made it harder to barfine new girls at a certain point. The girls and the management have remarkably good memories at these places, and they are watching you closely. One girl I bought a drink for at Private 69 remembered seeing me in there a week prior, remembered which girl I had barfined and even remembered where I had sat. I had never met this girl until I bought her drink, but apparently she knew me. No issues like this at the soapy massage places, it was a more straightforward service there. I didn't play with any freelancers during my trip but I imagine it's more straightforward with those ladies as well.

I will also say I noticed that a lot of guys seemed to go to these gogo bars to just drink and hang out. My approach was very different. I was not going to gogo bars to hang out, I was going to barfine hot young girls. I would get bored after hanging out there for more than 40 minutes. Most of the girls don't really even dance on stage so it's not that entertaining. If I didn't see girls I wanted to fuck, I would leave immediately and go to another bar. I was like a man on a mission and was trying to move fast so I could potentially fuck two girls a night. This was harder in Pattaya since they forced you to sit around and wait for the girls to get off stage. I would also change girls real fast if I bought them drinks and didn't like their vibe or their look. I do think that my overall approach rubbed the girls and the staff the wrong way on a few occasions, and maybe gogos weren't a great fit for my style. Maybe they are just used to customers who like to waste time and spend money on overpriced drinks. I don't even drink alcohol BTW, which they occasionally teased me over. Again I really was just there for the pussy LOL.

Hotels:

Bangkok I stayed at S15 and The Landmark. I would recommend both. S15 a bit cheaper with good central location in between Nana and cowboy. Landmark was much fancier and right next to nana plaza.

Pattaya I stayed at Aya boutique hotel. It was good for bringing girls back since it's so close to walking street, but the hotel wasn't very nice. It looked better online IMO. Also did a night at the Arbour hotel which was much nicer, but sorta far from the action. Can't really recommend either.

All hotels were girl friendly.

Overall a fun trip and I would potentially go back one day. Enjoyed the pussy and the food was pretty good too. Cheers guys. Sorry for the long post![/QUOTE]Nice report. I would just note that in your price comparison, 30 minutes in Bangkok for s decent freelancer is as low as $50. You did the expensive route and that's OK too.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2940799]Gents and veterans.

Was wondering if there was a place where many non-thai (I. E. Viet, Cambodian, Laos, Chinese, etc.) girls and freelancers normally hang out at to be picked up.[/QUOTE]As others have mentioned, many of the freelancers off of Soi 4 will be non-Thai. (And, sometimes, non-female, but that's another topic). Especially Vietnamese, but not the pale 20-something Viet beauties of your dreams, but their rough-and-ready aunties who are about 15+ years into the game. As Nyezov mentioned, a lot of the Viet girls have a reputation for ripping you off either in time management, or worse. Make sure you've locked all valuables into your hotel safe.

There's a short-term hotel off the end of Soi 6, Orchid, that is home to a lot of Filipina freelancers, mainly working off massage republic. Also a big home for ladyboys, though, so careful if you're not into that. Massage Republic is a site that will list a lot of different nationalities, though their prices seemed a bit steep to me?

Some of the seedier, less-talked about massage spots on Soi 24/1 employ non-Thais. I met women from Burma and Laos especially from spots in that street like Boss Boss, Candy, Can Can, etc.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=JPLove;2941066]Just finished out 10 days in Thailand. Spent 5 days in Bangkok and 5 in Pattaya. Hoping this detailed report will be useful to others traveling out this way. I'm posting in both the Bangkok and Pattaya threads.

Dozo Massage: Not very GFE but the Mat play and nuru were pretty good, think I spent about it 6-8 k for 60 minutes.

Aya Massage: Did 60 minutes nuru with a fairly hot girl, probably late 20's early 30's. Price was quite low at just 5 k baht for nuru and VIP room.

Cheers guys. Sorry for the long post![/QUOTE]

JPlove, thanks for taking the time to share. Great post. Just curious about the Dozo and Aya prices, that seems steep to me? Even their websites list 60 min VIP Nuru at Dozo for 4100 baht, and 60 min VIP nuru at Aya for 3500 baht? Or did you go for add-ONS like BB, anal, etc?

I hear you about the go-gos, I don't drink either and I'm not in BKK to sit around with dozens of drunk sweaty dudes, or listen to f**king 80's rock at ear-bleeding volumes, so I'd just prefer to walk in, buy a girl a drink, and walk out with her in 20 minutes. But that's not the business model these days, and after several drinks and all the barfine / ST fees it doesn't even seem worth it.

Thanks for tip on hotels. I've walked by S15 but never gone in, were the rooms nice? Can't quite tell how small or dark they are from the online pics, but the location close to Thermae is appealing. And no problem with bringing girls back?

[QUOTE=JPLove;2941066]Just finished out 10 days in Thailand. Spent 5 days in Bangkok and 5 in Pattaya. Hoping this detailed report will be useful to others traveling out this way. I'm posting in both the Bangkok and Pattaya threads.

Just by way of quick background, I'm from NYC and frequent a lot of the agencies there that have young Japanese girls working, so that was sorta my reference point for this trip. Now that I've mongered abroad, I'm starting to realize how good we have it in NYC as far as quality and service goes, although it is expensive. My report on the 10 days spent in Thailand is as follows:

Bangkok:

[/QUOTE]Great report, definitely a man on a mission I'the say!

Definitely hear you on the costs in Bangkok, but you should really tack on a trip to Jakarta next time you're in Asia. You're talking USD25 for ST and USD35 for 3-some ST at Classic hotel where there's 250 girls in miniskirts to choose from. Indonesian girls can look like Malay / Indian right through to Japanese / Korean.

Bangkok in general the costs are rising a lot actually, eating out can be very expensive at the mid to higher-end places.

And how did you get the Baccara girls to dance on you after a drink? They are known to be the type to sit there like a doll in my experience.

[QUOTE=JPLove;2941066]Just finished out 10 days in Thailand. Spent 5 days in Bangkok and 5 in Pattaya. Hoping this detailed report will be useful to others traveling out this way.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience, it's a lot of useful information, even though I am the guy that likes to spend time in the gogo bars perving at the girls, etc.

I'm planning a short trip and will likely be spending time in Baccara and wild house before picking one from Thermae for ST.

[QUOTE=JPLove;2941066]
Overall a fun trip and I would potentially go back one day. Enjoyed the pussy and the food was pretty good too. Cheers guys. Sorry for the long post![/QUOTE]Glad you had fun. It was a nice report. Thank You.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2940802]Audi almost a BBW? She at least 15 k if not 20 k overweight. That's big, very big.

I've noticed that so many punters, probably do to the enormous size of women outside of Asia have a very different idea of what is fat than the majority of us that live here. Unless she's quite tall anything over 50 K is just about too big.[/QUOTE]Yes agreed, especially since my main mongering happens in Germany and Belgium, I just don't find thin girls attractive. Don't get me wrong, I find many thin women attractive, but the older ones in these spas don't have the proportions for me. In L. A. The Koreans are gorgeous and thin but well proportioned for me. For my last spot, I went to Duangporn and the thinner older (35-40) woman just couldn't get me to finish. Try as she did.

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2941294]Yes agreed, especially since my main mongering happens in Germany and Belgium, I just don't find thin girls attractive. Don't get me wrong, I find many thin women attractive, but the older ones in these spas don't have the proportions for me. In L. A. The Koreans are gorgeous and thin but well proportioned for me. For my last spot, I went to Duangporn and the thinner older (35-40) woman just couldn't get me to finish. Try as she did.[/QUOTE]Like the old saying goes "fat girls need loving too".

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2941294]Yes agreed, especially since my main mongering happens in Germany and Belgium, I just don't find thin girls attractive. Don't get me wrong, I find many thin women attractive, but the older ones in these spas don't have the proportions for me. In L. A. The Koreans are gorgeous and thin but well proportioned for me. For my last spot, I went to Duangporn and the thinner older (35-40) woman just couldn't get me to finish. Try as she did.[/QUOTE]Old is not a turn on, fat or thin. I think overall many who still live in the west are attracted to larger women because most women in the West are overweight. In America 43% of adults are obese. Not just overweight but obese. Now don't get me wrong, I don't like a bone rack, nor do I like a thin girl with no muscle tone, which I would label skinny fat. But a girl that is in shape, exercises, and takes care of herself is a wonderful thing to find. Luckily in Asia there is still a certain aesthetic for females and we have escaped the entire body positive nonsense in the West.

[QUOTE=Davey1965;2941318]Like the old saying goes "fat girls need loving too".[/QUOTE]And you are all hiding out on TF. Can't escape them!!

[QUOTE=PgReal;2941344]And you are all hiding out on TF. Can't escape them!![/QUOTE]Sorry, typo. "they" the fat girls are all on TF! Wasn't referring to you 'Davey'.

For any newbies, do pay particular attention to the 'weight' field on TF.

What is the obsession on TF of girls showing food in their photos!! Usually stuffing their gobs some form of fast food!

Hello all,

I am in Bangkok and staying in Sukhumvit area. I'll be here for a week and Any help is much appreciated for any contacts or how to make the best of stay here. My DM is active. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Avi0018;2941383]Hello all,

I am in Bangkok and staying in Sukhumvit area. I'll be here for a week and Any help is much appreciated for any contacts or how to make the best of stay here. My DM is active. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Go over to the Thermae and get laid.

I was walking down sukhumvit Soi 33 in the afternoon, looking for a
legit Thai massage from a reasonable easy on the eyes woman. After one
hour of straight Thai massage, where my offer of an extra 1000 for BJ
was rejected and I was not in the mood to pay the 1500 she requested,
I tipped her my customary 100 baht and started walking back up the Soi.

My time in Thailand is nearing it's end, so I thought I'd venture out
to Nana and Cowboy in the evening, even though I've mostly left alone
the handful of times I've gone there these last two months. However,
as I was walking back up the soi, I could not help to notice it was,
in addition to regular massage places, full of sex-shops too, so after
some walking I decided to stop in on each and every one of the shops
remaining on my walk back.

Sorry to say, but I did not see anyone I liked until the last shop.
In each shop I entered I asked for girls with no baby, and no silicone,
which reduced the number of possible contenders to half or less at
all shops. The remaining were either overweight (I'd say this accounted
for more 40% of the ones remaining), too old (another 40%) or
not particularly attractive (20%).

The shops seemed to be doing good business however, as most of them
had one or two customers already inside and looking at the menus when I
entered.

The standard procedure is that you enter, and they show you the menu with
prices, asking you what course you want. I usually just cast a glimpse at
the menu, to verify the prices are the same as in other shops, and instead tell them to
show me the girls first.
This was fine in every shop except one, where the, admittedly rather attractive manager,
asked me to chose the duration first, so she could know the schedule
or something. This annoyed me a tiny bit, but I could see her point,
if this was it, that if I wanted 90 minutes, she would not show me the
girls who had a booking coming up in 60 minutes, so I told her one hour.

She then asked me to select what course I wanted, which annoyed me
slightly more, so I told her I will decide later, let me see the girls
first. She responded by politely asking me to please select what course
I wanted, for some reason or other, but at that point I just rolled my
eyes at her, put my earbuds back in, and walked out, while hearing her
say something in the background, possibly "ok, ok, come back please",
but I'm not sure.

Went inside two-three more shops after that one, including some nuru
place which *only* had BigBigWomen. I can imagine a body-to-body
massage feels better if there is some BBW on top of you, but it's
not for me, so I hastily retreated.

Last shop was one I've not seen mentioned often, but someone did mention
it very recently. It's Princess massage, down the same Soi as the
BJ-place with that horrible beast of a receptionist (7-heaven), and you
will see it on the left just before 7-heaven. From their webpage
I see they have just very recently opened, in June this year, which
is perhap the reason they have not been mentioned much.

With Princess massage there now, there is no need to enter 7-heaven
anymore and subject yourself to the horrible receptionist there.
Not all are horrible, but there is one who, if you knew Thai, you could
hear referring to a customer as "it". Even if you don't know Thai,
her attitude to customers is horrible and it's obvious she despises all of us.
She has been working there for 5+ years at least, so obviously management does not care,
or even worse, she may even be one of the owners.

Better go into Princess and pay a bit more, but be treated with at
least a minuscule of respect. At Princess you will also see the girls
in a live lineup, rather than just on a silly tablet showing heavily
photoshopped photos, as they do at 7-heaven. That is what I will
be doing from now on.

Anyway, back to Princess massage, which seems to have the website
https://princess33sukhumvit.x.2nt.com/englishh-page/index-e.html

I entered, and already from outside I got the first impression there
might be some decent looking girls here. The manager of the hour invited
me to sit down on the sofa, next to an asian dude who was putting on his
shoes and getting ready to leave. A line-up was starting to slowly form,
but I interrupted it by telling the manager that I wanted no baby and
no silicone, at which point I was left with only two girls. If you do
not care about that, I could see there were at least one or two girls
amongst the ones who left who were also pretty. Compare this with the
other 4-6 shops I stopped by and where I did not see anyone.

Fortunately one of the two babyless and siliconeless girls left standing
was rather good looking (better than anyone I've seen at Nana or Cowboy
the times I've visited the last two months I'd say), so I indicated my
victim to the manager, and told her I'd have the one hour Thai special,
which includes one shot I was informed upon asking.

Miss X is listed as 20 year old on the webpage, and I have no reason
to think she's older than that (rather, she told me she was one year
younger than that when I asked). She looks pretty much the same as the
photos on the webpage, which might indicate this shop does not photoshop
their photos much, if at all. She provided good service, but refused
BB due to her stated fear of baby. I explained I'd had a vasectomy,
but she seemed uncertain still (well, who can blame her, as anyone can
say anything). My offer of an extra 1,000 was also rejected.


So, due to my own short-comings (it seems that after I, as of 2 months
ago, started to bang p4p girls without condom also, I'm having a hard
time getting hard with a condom, pun intended. Not impossible, but not
automatic as before), I had to settle for a rather good BBBJCIM,
even though I paid for FS.

The girl did make a decent effort at getting me hard again with her
mouth, but unfortunately while she then fiddled with the condom,
my little Somchai feel asleep. This was repeated once more as I was
grinding my dick against her pussy, at which point she asked some more
about my vasectomy, and agreed to BB for an extra 2,000, but I did not
want to pay that, so instead told her to just blow me till completion
without ever entering her pussy, with or without condom.

I say the BJ was good as she could go, while not deepthroat, at least
quite deep, and she did not pull away when her mouth started filling
with the product of her labour, but rather let me finish in peace.

The rather loud and and unromantic sounds she shortly thereafter made
in the shower left little doubt what the answer to "spit or swallow"
was in this case however.

It's not listed on the webpage, but while I was paying for my girl,
another asian dude had entered and another manager woman was explaining
the menu to him. I'm pretty sure I overheard the manager explaining
that one of the courses included BJ only. If that is true, even
less reason to walk the extra 15 meters to 7-heaven.

I'd rate the BJ as good as any I received at 7-heaven, and the girl as
considerably prettier. She also informed me that there was one girl
working there who provided sex without condom. I did not ask who,
but I guess you can ask the manager yourself if you want, as it was
obviously not a secret.

After that I walked to gym, then walked to Soi 22 and again overate at
the Goji buffet at Marriot. As I exited Marriot and on my way home,
I noticed a young decent looking girl in one of the massage shops
immediately before Marriot. I had noticed her when walking down the
soi to Marriot two hours before also, and kind a hoped she would still
be sitting outside the shop. As she was, I told her I would like a 90
minute Thai massage from her, paid the 450 baht for that, and up we went.

I stripped down naked and then put on the pants and shirt, and lay down.
After a few minutes she came in and started to massage me competently, and
after a while I could hear a couple two cubicles down banging away quietly,
but I did not say anything and just kept relaxing with my eyes closed.

She was not gun shy while massaging me, but neither did she deliberately
fondle my balls as some girls do in the hopes you will pay them for
extra service, so now and then little Somchai made his presence known,
but I did not say anything and neither did she. And thus the nice Thai
massage continued. She was a rather small girl, so I was slightly
surprised at how decent her massage was.

I don't enjoy talking much during a massage, so we had only exchanged
4-5 sentences each during the 70 minutes that had now passed, and it
did not seem like she would be making any offer for extra service.
Except if the girl is unusually pretty, I almost always wait for her
to ask if I want something extra, as obviously it's a better starting
point for negotiating the price, and in 95+% of the cases, the girl/woman
will ask if it's a massage place around this area.

This girl however was apparently not going to ask me, so it seemed
I had to take matter into my own hands before time ran out. At that
point she was walking on my back and legs, so I obviously had to be
a bit careful so as to not make her fall down.

Even though we had only exchanged a few sentences in total during the 70
minutes of massage so far, with a thousand or more thai massages under my
belt I fortunately don't have much trouble gauging where the line between
"farang tries to rape innocent massage girl" headline in the next days
newspaper, and playful flirting goes, even with little communication
having passed.

So as she was walking on the back of my legs and with 20 minutes of the
session left, I gently turned around and pulled her down to me on the
mattress. After a handful of "what?", "what?"s from her, I rolled her
over on her back and started to grind my hard dick against her pussy while
we were still clothed, also fondling her breasts and eventually trying
to get me hands on her breasts under her bra, and with her pushing my
hands away.

I would not recommend doing this unless you are pretty sure about
your own ability to gauge things, as it could backfire in an ugly way,
even if perhaps not newspaper worthy. Rather I'd strongly advice against
doing what I did above. Much better and safer is to just very slowly and
gently, lead her hand to your dick while she's massaging in that area.
If she does not want to provide any extra services, she will politely
indicate so there and then, and you should not do anything more than
enjoy the massage the rest of the time.

Anyway, we talked a little bit more at this point, with her asking me
my age, and me asking her her age. I'm pretty good at guessing Thai
girls age, but she had turned down the light and I could not see clearly,
so when she asked me to guess, my guess of 23-24 slightly offended her,
as she was only 20.

At this point I was thinking I'm just going to bang her without asking
about the price, even though it means I will have to later give her 2,000
(going rate more or less) rather than the 1,000 I usually negotiate in
advance, so I started to pull of her small shorts, but she stopped me.

I offered her an extra 1,000 tip. She declined and said 2,000, I offered
1,500, but she declined that too, so I said ok, 2,000. She then asked me
to give her the money, but I said I would give her the money afterwards.

After that I pulled off her shorts with underwear, and she asked about condom, but I
said I did not want. She worried about baby, but I told her I'd had
a vasectomy, and after confirming that a few times, she let me enter.
Banged her quietly for the 15 minutes remaining, as somebody was again
entering a cubicle two spots further down, and out of my normal politeness
making an effort at having her enjoy it too. Enough for her having
to cover her mouth with her hand for the last 5 minutes or so, though
I'm pretty sure she did not cum.

After finishing in her pussy, she asked me if I wanted to take a shower,
but I told her I'd take one when I get home instead. When getting
dressed, at first she could not find her shorts and underwear, and I
joked that I had thrown them outside the cubicle in the heat of the
moment. As she still could not find them, I repeated the joke a few
times, until she in the end turned on the light and could find them.

Asked her before leaving if she had line (messaging app used here), which
she had, so she added me to her line app and messaged me a "hi" so I would
have her contact too, and a "good night" later on. I'll probably invite
her over one of the few nights I have remaining here in Bangkok for a
Thai massage at my airbnb as she's young, decent looking (a 7 I guess?
Better than anyone but a handful I've seen at Nana/Soi Cowboy), gives
good massage, playful, and has a nice tight pussy.

I was there a couple of years ago, I went in, sat down and watched all the people coming and going. Not one WG approached me. NOT ONE!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2941402]Go over to the Thermae and get laid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2941502]I was there a couple of years ago, I went in, sat down and watched all the people coming and going. Not one WG approached me. NOT ONE![/QUOTE]Thermae girls don't approach you. Didn't you notice they weren't approaching other guys as well other than trying to grab you as you walk by them.

Now if a Thermae girl really wants you she will come stand near or beside you. Talk to them if they interest you. Otherwise they don't want to lose their regular spot so it's all about eye contact and smiles. If you like one just walk up to her and start talking.

Tip for everyone. Be happy and smiley in Thermae. No girl wants to go with a guy who doesn't look happy or walks around with his arms crossed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941505]Thermae girls don't approach you. Didn't you notice they weren't approaching other guys as well other than trying to grab you as you walk by them.[/QUOTE]Mongers are some funny mfs. One does not want the chicks to be all over them and another thinks something is wrong if the chicks are not all over them. All expect a chick to know what they like individually.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2941402]Go over to the Thermae and get laid.[/QUOTE]Thanks bro for replying.

I'll be heading there today. Anymore suggestions?

I am staying in a hotel, would love to bring a girl in. I'll also be trying Nana plaza and Soi cowboy.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2941378]
For any newbies, do pay particular attention to the 'weight' field on TF.[/QUOTE]Yes, definitely! And add the 'height' field to that as well.
I always use my favorite girl in Pattaya as benchmark. She is 158 cm and 47 kg, and has the perfect body for me. Not skinny, not chubby, but just normal. A lot of the girls on TF have photoshopped pictures, or pictures from a time when they were still slim, but most of them do not lie about their height and weight. So when a girl is for example 160 cm and 55 kg, but looks slim in her pictures, I know something is not right.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2941420]
Anyway, back to Princess massage, which seems to have the website
https://princess33sukhumvit.x.2nt.com/englishh-page/index-e.html[/QUOTE]Nice that you have found their website. I could not find it. But unfortunately I'm getting a 403 error when I want to visit it.

I did find this: [URL]https://swanpass.com/listing/princess[/URL].
It shows the price list, and if you click on 'See all 25 photos' you will get an impression of the place. But not of all the girls working there, not by far. The girl I had, for example, is not in the pictures.

[QUOTE=JPLove;2941066]Just finished out 10 days in Thailand. Spent 5 days in Bangkok and 5 in Pattaya. Hoping this detailed report will be useful to others traveling out this way. I'm posting in both the Bangkok and Pattaya threads.[/QUOTE]What a superb report! Instead of conclusory statements that this bar was "good," or that girl was "hot," Mr. Love explained his views in detail. His report was clear about pricing for all aspects of an evening out, not just the bar fine and short time price, but also extras like mandatory drinks. I also liked that he tried to summarize what I'll call "the hustle factor" in the various bars in Bangkok and Pattaya. Finally, and I can't praise him enough for this, Mr. Love's report was drafted using standard written English, it was broken up into readable paragraphs, and it was devoid of personal attacks on others.

This, gentlemen, is how it should be done. Bravo!

Bunky

You are in Bangkok, the mongering capital of the world. You are not in India or in Belgium where everything is hidden or work off contacts.

There is tons tons of options to get laid, are you trying to save money that's why you asking for contacts? Or you are introvert and terrified to go out?

If you don't mine spending money, read previous threats anf go to places like Therme cafe, Nana plaza, Soi cowboy, massage centers, or at night girls standing on the streets.

[QUOTE=Avi0018;2941517]Thanks bro for replying.

I'll be heading there today. Anymore suggestions?

I am staying in a hotel, would love to bring a girl in. I'll also be trying Nana plaza and Soi cowboy.

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2941420]Anyway, back to Princess massage, which seems to have the website
https://princess33sukhumvit.x.2nt.com/englishh-page/index-e.html[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2941588]Nice that you have found their website. I could not find it. But unfortunately I'm getting a 403 error when I want to visit it.

I did find this: [URL]https://swanpass.com/listing/princess[/URL].
It shows the price list, and if you click on 'See all 25 photos' you will get an impression of the place. But not of all the girls working there, not by far. The girl I had, for example, is not in the pictures.[/QUOTE]Princess and Butterfly Massage have very similar websites, perhaps designed and hosted by the same people. From my home, to avoid 403 error, you can use VPN with virtual location set to Lao. Setting virtual location to Thailand does not avoid the error. Swanpass also works, though it's not the same.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2941638]You are in Bangkok, the mongering capital of the world. You are not in India or in Belgium where everything is hidden or work off contacts.

There is tons tons of options to get laid, are you trying to save money that's why you asking for contacts? Or you are introvert and terrified to go out?

If you don't mine spending money, read previous threats anf go to places like Therme cafe, Nana plaza, Soi cowboy, massage centers, or at night girls standing on the streets.[/QUOTE]You are right bro, But I was just exploring for all the good options here. I went to Thermae yesterday, But the girls didn't want to come to hotel as it was around 6 km away. Never knew, this would also be an issue.

Will def try nanaolaza and soi cowboy.

[QUOTE=Avi0018;2941743]I went to Thermae yesterday, But the girls didn't want to come to hotel as it was around 6 km away. Never knew, this would also be an issue.[/QUOTE]No Thermae girl is going to your hotel 6 km at night in BKK unless she's really hard up or you're really good looking. You could have rented a room upstairs. A tiny bit of reading posts on a "Thermae" search would have told you this.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941752]No Thermae girl is going to your hotel 6 km at night in BKK unless she's really hard up or you're really good looking. You could have rented a room upstairs. A tiny bit of reading posts on a "Thermae" search would have told you this.[/QUOTE]Such a shadow of its former self. Just the most amazing place 20 years ago when the girls were interactive and would grab your unit and proposition you while you were walking around. They were aggressive and fun. Always a party every night. And they were willing to go wherever. And never more than 1 K all night. Now it's full of mediocre looking gals with their noses in the air for the most part. It's fun to go in there once a year to watch all the dudes circle round and round and to say Hi to Somchsi and the other waiters. But as far as pulling girls? I've been giving it a Miss for well over a decade.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2941771]Such a shadow of its former self. Just the most amazing place 20 years ago when the girls were interactive and would grab your unit and proposition you while you were walking around. They were aggressive and fun. Always a party every night. And they were willing to go wherever. And never more than 1 K all night. Now it's full of mediocre looking gals with their noses in the air for the most part. It's fun to go in there once a year to watch all the dudes circle round and round and to say Hi to Somchsi and the other waiters. But as far as pulling girls? I've been giving it a Miss for well over a decade.[/QUOTE]It was even better 30 years ago. However, I'm still pulling girls out of there so it's no big deal.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2941796]It was even better 30 years ago. However, I'm still pulling girls out of there so it's no big deal.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I never made it to the original place at the Miami. First visit was in 99. Haven't pulled their forever a decade.

Hello friends,

There used to be place called shock39 where I remember picked Thai and Uzbek girls some years back. The chicks were of good quality.

It seems this place is closed now.

Please suggest place where I can pick up Uzbek girls.

Thanks.

Viv.

[QUOTE=Avi0018;2941743]I went to Thermae yesterday, But the girls didn't want to come to hotel as it was around 6 km away. Never knew, this would also be an issue.[/QUOTE]LOL. I first got on this website before my first trip to Thailand. I asked something and the two things I was told was to stay at the Nana Hotel and RTFF. Did you ask or research anything before your trip?

[QUOTE=WintersLight;2941178]JPlove, thanks for taking the time to share. Great post. Just curious about the Dozo and Aya prices, that seems steep to me? Even their websites list 60 min VIP Nuru at Dozo for 4100 baht, and 60 min VIP nuru at Aya for 3500 baht? Or did you go for add-ONS like BB, anal, etc?

I hear you about the go-gos, I don't drink either and I'm not in BKK to sit around with dozens of drunk sweaty dudes, or listen to f**king 80's rock at ear-bleeding volumes, so I'd just prefer to walk in, buy a girl a drink, and walk out with her in 20 minutes. But that's not the business model these days, and after several drinks and all the barfine / ST fees it doesn't even seem worth it.

Thanks for tip on hotels. I've walked by S15 but never gone in, were the rooms nice? Can't quite tell how small or dark they are from the online pics, but the location close to Thermae is appealing. And no problem with bringing girls back?[/QUOTE]So I might have the pricing wrong on Dozo. That was the first spot I hit and I put my lengthy report together at the end of my trip while waiting for my flight at the airport haha. I am going off memory here and the trip feels like a blur at this point. Dozo may have been closer to 5 k-6 k. Either way, I recommend the place. It was the best soapy massage experience I had in Thailand and the only soapie massage place I found that provided service comparable to Japanese Soaplands. In fact it may have been even better service than Japanese Soaplands. As for Aya, I wouldn't really recommend it unless you're looking to save money. Girls just weren't great overall, many I saw in the lineup were older and less attractive than the typical gogo bar girls. Pretty sure I spent around 5 k for VIP room and 1 hour of nuru there. Didn't do extras at any soapie massage joints but would be interested to know if BB is on the table at those places LOL.

As for the hotel, S15 rooms were nice. I actually never checked out thermae, which feels like a missed opportunity since it was right next to my hotel. Some friends who traveled to Thailand before told me that thermae girls were a bit older and more seasoned compared to the gogo bar girls, so it wasn't high on my list of spots to hit during my 5 days in Bangkok. But no issues at all bringing girls back. All the hotels I stayed at were totally fine with bringing girls. In fact I was sorta surprised by the extent to which the hotel industry in Thailand is built around hookers LOL. Every room I stayed in had a safe and complimentary condoms. The hotels also had a procedure where if you brought a girl back, they take her passport. Then they would call your room to make sure everything was all good before returning the girls passport and allowing her to leave. In my experience, the hotels knew what was up and just wanted to make sure you had a good time LOL.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2941216]Great report, definitely a man on a mission I'the say!

Definitely hear you on the costs in Bangkok, but you should really tack on a trip to Jakarta next time you're in Asia. You're talking USD25 for ST and USD35 for 3-some ST at Classic hotel where there's 250 girls in miniskirts to choose from. Indonesian girls can look like Malay / Indian right through to Japanese / Korean.

Bangkok in general the costs are rising a lot actually, eating out can be very expensive at the mid to higher-end places.

And how did you get the Baccara girls to dance on you after a drink? They are known to be the type to sit there like a doll in my experience.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised the baccara girls have that reputation because they were pretty good for me. Better vibe than some of the other bar chicks. My routine at all the bars was more or less the same. Buy them 1 drink, maybe 2 and almost never more than that. Would make some brief small talk then get a little flirty / handsy and try to put them on my lap. If they wouldn't play ball, had crap attitude and / or tried to milk me for drinks, I would change girls. Once on my lap I'd try to feel up their tits, sometimes under bra, and a good amount of girls were cool with this. Would even stick a hand in their panties to touch their pussy (I love Bush so was looking for girls with some hair) and maybe 35% of the girls were okay with this, some more than others haha.

[QUOTE=Vivphab;2941855]Hello friends,

There used to be place called shock39 where I remember picked Thai and Uzbek girls some years back. The chicks were of good quality.

It seems this place is closed now.

Please suggest place where I can pick up Uzbek girls.[/QUOTE]Uzbekistan or Massage Republic. Shock 39 was dead before Covid, there were CIS girls in Mixx before Covid, but nothing now, at least as I know since my last visit in June.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2941880]Uzbekistan or Massage Republic. Shock 39 was dead before Covid, there were CIS girls in Mixx before Covid, but nothing now, at least as I know since my last visit in June.[/QUOTE]Thank you for information.

There must be some place from where they may be operating.

Viv.

I got laid for free, a number of times.

In one occasion a woman came to my hotel room. She was chubby, but very nice. She sucked me so well, then I fucked her pussy, and she asked me to fuck her ass. She didn't have to ask twice, indeed I fucked her ass, pussy again, and I came on her back. It was late, and I didn't have dinner yet, so I sent her home. I didn't pay a penny, not even for the taxi.

She left happy. Met her on ThaiFriendly. She is 32.

Another girl, 29, came to my hotel room yesterday. We spoke for a while with the translator, because she could not speak a single word of English. She was too ugly, and I did not make a move. I sent her home saying I needed to sleep.

Got another 40 years old aligned, who likes my dick.

Sometimes I send a picture of my naked body and my dick to the girls I would never pay, or I would never date. Only to the ones I could fuck once, or a couple of times. A few so far engaged.

And I had a number of LB as well, paid only for transport or I went in person. So far I did not spend anything for sex.

I am looking for a super hot girlfriend, but I find it very difficult. The prettiest are all freelancers, and they do want a lot of money. I was surprised to see many foreigners dating very average women in their 40. Even decent fellas with these old Thai women.

This is my first time in Thailand, and it looks a great place if you like LB, but not as great for girls.

Funny that today I met a girl in a mall, a black one. There are a lot of girls from East Africa here. She told me she was here on holidays, and then I found her on ThaiFriendly a few hours later. What a small world!

[QUOTE=Vivphab;2941886]Thank you for information.

There must be some place from where they may be operating.

Viv.[/QUOTE]No dude, there isn't. Want CIS girls? Go to Dubai.

O wait, too expensive right?

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2941940]I got laid for free, a number of times.
In one occasion a woman came to my hotel room. She was chubby, but very nice. She sucked me so well, then I fucked her pussy, and she asked me to fuck her ass. She didn't have to ask twice, indeed I fucked her ass, pussy again, and I came on her back. It was late, and I didn't have dinner yet, so I sent her home. I didn't pay a penny, not even for the taxi.
She left happy. Met her on ThaiFriendly. She is 32.
Another girl, 29, came to my hotel room yesterday. We spoke for a while with the translator, because she could not speak a single word of English. She was too ugly, and I did not make a move. I sent her home saying I needed to sleep.
Got another 40 years old aligned, who likes my dick.
Sometimes I send a picture of my naked body and my dick to the girls I would never pay, or I would never date. Only to the ones I could fuck once, or a couple of times. A few so far engaged.
And I had a number of LB as well, paid only for transport or I went in person. So far I did not spend anything for sex.
I am looking for a super hot girlfriend, but I find it very difficult. The prettiest are all freelancers, and they do want a lot of money. I was surprised to see many foreigners dating very average women in their 40. Even decent fellas with these old Thai women.
This is my first time in Thailand, and it looks a great place if you like LB, but not as great for girls.
Funny that today I met a girl in a mall, a black one. There are a lot of girls from East Africa here. She told me she was here on holidays, and then I found her on ThaiFriendly a few hours later. What a small world![/QUOTE]I found on TF you put a quick profile. Then move to Whats App. How blunt are you for what you want?

The reason some guys date average women in their 40's is, I've found, what a 30 to 40 year old Thai lady will do and how, is very different to what a Thai lady of 20 to 30 will do.

Its the old story if you want a premium product you have to pay a premium price.

NI.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2941948]No dude, there isn't. Want CIS girls? Go to Dubai.

O wait, too expensive right?[/QUOTE]Go to dubai and you will get all verity of chicks. Nice place for mongering but not good for pocket.

Viv.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2941998]I found on TF you put a quick profile. Then move to Whats App. How blunt are you for what you want?

The reason some guys date average women in their 40's is, I've found, what a 30 to 40 year old Thai lady will do and how, is very different to what a Thai lady of 20 to 30 will do.

Its the old story if you want a premium product you have to pay a premium price..[/QUOTE]I just wrote where I am based, and where I come from, basically.

Many women and LB like me on the app, some are freelances, some are not. The vast majority of women who likes me are chubby and older than me, but some are passable, and others even pretty. I hide all the ones I do not like at all, and the ones who aren't in Bangkok. I send dick pictures to the others. A few are happy to fuck, some do not answer.

I send the pictures directly in the app. Sometimes I don't even exchange numbers. Many use Line, which I hate. I use a Thai number, and I have installed WhatsApp business, so I do not have to give away my personal number.

Some women want big dicks, home LB do not need money, because, I have been told by one, people send them money, they have sponsors.

With the young pretty girls, instead, I move on WhatsApp or Line, and I asked to make a video call. Had a couple of calls with two young girls: one is 22, the other I can't remember. Pretty, but not gorgeous.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2942144]I just wrote where I am based, and where I come from, basically.

Many women and LB like me on the app, some are freelances, some are not. The vast majority of women who likes me are chubby and older than me, but some are passable, and others even pretty. I hide all the ones I do not like at all, and the ones who aren't in Bangkok. I send dick pictures to the others. A few are happy to fuck, some do not answer.
I send the pictures directly in the app. Sometimes I don't even exchange numbers. Many use Line, which I hate. I use a Thai number, and I have installed WhatsApp business, so I do not have to give away my personal number.
Some women want big dicks, home LB do not need money, because, I have been told by one, people send them money, they have sponsors.
With the young pretty girls, instead, I move on WhatsApp or Line, and I asked to make a video call. Had a couple of calls with two young girls: one is 22, the other I can't remember. Pretty, but not gorgeous.[/QUOTE]Well if they want big dicks they have come to the wrong place LOL.

Got a trip planned soon. Will explore TF & other social media platforms and report. Appreciate.

[QUOTE=Vivphab;2942055]Go to dubai and you will get all verity of chicks. Nice place for mongering but not good for pocket.

Viv.[/QUOTE]One of my favs just went there. No idea how she got a visa until next year but certainly a good addition to the line up there. 6.

What is the price range of the girls in front of Thermae Cafe? There are many pretty workers outside!

[QUOTE=JohnnieX;2942448]What is the price range of the girls in front of Thermae Cafe? There are many pretty workers outside![/QUOTE]Almost all of them are ladyboys.

[QUOTE=JohnnieX;2942448]What is the price range of the girls in front of Thermae Cafe? There are many pretty workers outside![/QUOTE]Which girl? Are you sure she's a girl out in front of there? I'm sure someone's going to be dumb enough to give you some answer without telling you to read the fucking Forum which is what I am telling you. You'll get your information if you to the slightest bit of research on this giant fount of information here.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2941714]Princess and Butterfly Massage have very similar websites, perhaps designed and hosted by the same people. From my home, to avoid 403 error, you can use VPN with virtual location set to Lao. Setting virtual location to Thailand does not avoid the error. Swanpass also works, though it's not the same.[/QUOTE]Yes you're right.

I tried a few locations including Thailand but couldn't get rid of the 403 error. I was about to give up when I saw your post. Setting the location to Laos works fine.

By the way, Cookie looks cute on the site, good choice from Werqwerq.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2942551]Got an amazing LB yesterday, 22 years old. She really insisted to meet me. We had a video call, and she insisted more. Great connection, amazing look. Eye surgery, nose surgery, boobs, and filler in the lips. Wild in bed. Beautiful face, much better than most of the girls I have seen. All I paid is 60 baht for a taxi to my place. We spent the night together, I fucked her twice. I will see her again the day after tomorrow, cause I have other plans.

I have so many options aligned, and all free, both girls and LB. Not paid a penny. I decided to stay here for the next two months. Found a very nice apartment near EmSphere for 15 k a month. I am enjoying Bangkok so much!

No matter what, you'll have fun.[/QUOTE]LBs are unfortunately abundant online. Last Saturday I was talking with one on tinder, and after giving up on what I thought was a pretty 19 year old girl coming over to where I was staying after she finished work at 22:00, I agreed to trek up to the shopping mall where she was working, and then we'd go back to area I was staying in together, as she said she was scared to come to me directly without meeting first. Ok, I can understand that. I'm not too happy to trek out to nowhere, but it's no more difficult for me to do that, than for her, and as I was right next to a BTS at that moment that would take me directly to that mall anyway (Central Lad Prao), I agreed.

So after gym and dinner I arrived there at 21:30, and sat down at a coffee shop with some cake and coffee, and messaged the girl. She said she'd be coming as soon as she finished work. At 21:5 x she messaged me she was on the way. At 22:0 x she sent me a photo from outside the mall, to which I replied '?' and then again another photo, with a sad sticker attached. I thought at this point maybe she had seen me, decided I was too ugly for her (I'm a handsome devil I think myself, but who knows), and left, so I replied "why?

No response, and I started walking back out the mall and to the BTS. Stopped outside the BTS to check my phone to see if there were any other prospects at this late time, and she sent me another photo, this one also from outside the mall, and having my back in the photo. Looked around, and saw her standing 15 meters away. Walked up to her, and bang, it's a ladyboy. I said "you ladyboy. " The creature pretended to not understand what I said. I repeated a few times, with same result, and he said he will use google translate. WTF. I typed in ladyboy on my phone and shoved it in his face. "Yes", he nodded. Switched to Thai, and asked wtf he did not tell me that before. Is he crazy? He just kept looking down on his phone. Told him he was crazy and walked the fuck away.
Fucking waste of time and money.

Some weeks earlier a thaifriendly freelancer came by my place. Sent me a few videos too. Looked like a pretty 21 year old girl. Not too eager to come. Rejected my offer for 1500 with CIM, which I could understand as looked pretty and slim. Only 1500 if no CIM. Otherwise 2000. I agreed to 2,000 a week later, and "she" arrived at my airbnb an hour or so later.
Went down to the reception area and noticed face looked a bit weird I thought. Then as "she" got up from the sofa and walked towards me, noticed the walk was a bit strange too. Before opening the door to the elevator hallway, I took a rather closer look and asked "ladyboy?" he denied it, and I asked to see some ID.
He started to fiddle on his phone for an ID, but I told him I wanted to see the real ID. Said he did not have the real one with him, and showed me the Thai ID on the phone. I said all thai people need to have ID with them all the time. You must also have ID. (At least, this was true 10 years ago. I assume it still is true).
At this point he gave up and said "ok, he will go now". At least this time it was not me who was out of time and money for transport.

I can usually spot a LB a mile away by now, easily enough from the back even just by the way they walk, but these two fooled me with their pictures and videos and I did not suspect it. Be careful out there, the rest of you.

Bangkok is great for freebies. I am not really into the same stuff as you, but for the ladies, there are plenty of freebies too. For me, I focus on the university girls and girls working in salons. Chat them up and then off we go for a Starbucks and then back to my condo. Netflix and chill LOL.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2942584]I can usually spot a LB a mile away by now, easily enough from the back even just by the way they walk, but these two fooled me with their pictures and videos and I did not suspect it. Be careful out there, the rest of you.[/QUOTE]I can't stand these mfs scammers trying to sneak themselves in every venues and pretending they are real women.

I've the same question. Interested in yellow skinner Korean & Chinese chicks. Seen them in hordes across the city.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2940799]Gents and veterans.

Was wondering if there was a place where many non-thai (I. E. Viet, Cambodian, Laos, Chinese, etc.) girls and freelancers normally hang out at to be picked up. Did some research and a found a few names such as Rajah hotel, Grace hotel, Mixx, in front of Nana, and possibly Khao San Road clubs. I'm aware some may be on ThaiFriendly, Tinder, Bumble, dating apps, and there's the escort sites too. Not sure what locations are open or where these girls have moved to. I know I'm in Thailand to get with Thai women, but I enjoy variety when I know its available.

On another note, when is the best time to go see the freelancers in front of Nana? Basically, when are the most girls there?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2942590]Bangkok is great for freebies. I am not really into the same stuff as you, but for the ladies, there are plenty of freebies too. For me, I focus on the university girls and girls working in salons. Chat them up and then off we go for a Starbucks and then back to my condo. Netflix and chill LOL.


FYI, the forum rules used to mention not discussions on the other sex you are referencing. You may want to edit your post.[/QUOTE]Yeah what's with that, are we supposed to report them or do the mods just cruise around?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2942584]
Some weeks earlier a thaifriendly freelancer came by my place. Sent me a few videos too. Looked like a pretty 21 year old girl. Not too eager to come. Rejected my offer for 1500 with CIM, which I could understand as looked pretty and slim. Only 1500 if no CIM. Otherwise 2000. I agreed to 2,000 a week later, and "she" arrived at my airbnb an hour or so later.
Went down to the reception area and noticed face looked a bit weird I thought. Then as "she" got up from the sofa and walked towards me, noticed the walk was a bit strange too. Before opening the door to the elevator hallway, I took a rather closer look and asked "ladyboy?" he denied it, and I asked to see some ID.
He started to fiddle on his phone for an ID, but I told him I wanted to see the real ID. Said he did not have the real one with him, and showed me the Thai ID on the phone. I said all thai people need to have ID with them all the time. You must also have ID. (At least, this was true 10 years ago. I assume it still is true).
At this point he gave up and said "ok, he will go now". At least this time it was not me who was out of time and money for transport.

I can usually spot a LB a mile away by now, easily enough from the back even just by the way they walk, but these two fooled me with their pictures and videos and I did not suspect it. Be careful out there, the rest of you.[/QUOTE]Yes, buyer beware on TF. If you use the TFMI. Site, I've seen quite a few marked as LB's but on their main profile in TF they don't mention it at all and pose as girls. The main index site isn't great for BKK however only a handful on it, better for pattaya.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2942590]Bangkok is great for freebies. I am not really into the same stuff as you, but for the ladies, there are plenty of freebies too. For me, I focus on the university girls and girls working in salons. Chat them up and then off we go for a Starbucks and then back to my condo. Netflix and chill LOL.
FYI, the forum rules used to mention not discussions on the other sex you are referencing. You may want to edit your post.[/QUOTE]Not to prolong the conversation but I'm pretty sure you can tell most Lb a mile away. Anyway most will admit if asked. Just say if you Lb you get no $$.

I consider myself heterosexual but I've been with a couple of gorgeous LB in my life and it was some of the best sex I've had. Of course I'm not going to say something like: Don't knock it until you have tried it yourself. Cause I know it doesn't work that way. I could never do it with a person that looks absolutely male (like with a beard and all that) but for me I'm happy I dared to take a leap of faith and have sex with a LB. I'm actually contemplating to do it again in the future.

For reference though I've been with 3 LB compared to over 150 women, so it's not like I did it a lot.

Please educate me. Read about Gentleman's Clubs in Pattaya forum. Are there any in Bangkok?

Briefly what happens for what price please?

Excuse my ignorance.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2943143]Please educate me. Read about Gentleman's Clubs in Pattaya forum. Are there any in Bangkok?

Briefly what happens for what price please?

Excuse my ignorance.

NI.[/QUOTE]There's no excuse when you fail to read the fucking forum.

I think people that play with ladyboys are gay. You should be on a gay forum.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2942724]Not to prolong the conversation but I'm pretty sure you can tell most Lb a mile away. Anyway most will admit if asked. Just say if you Lb you get no $$.[/QUOTE]I was hanging out with a Japanese Colleague in Nana and he is someone I expect to have a good understanding when it comes to spotting ladyboys as he is 20 years elder to me and he has been coming to Bangkok for the past 35 years. This time we had a Thai friend with us who is about 30 years old.

Long story short. The Thai friend challenged us to spot the lady boys standing on the opposite side of Nana Plaza, and all the way to Novotel. I thought I was good at it, and I got 50% of them wrong, while My Japanese friend scored much better than me, but he still managed to get 2 guess wrong. What we did was to simply guess if the girl we think is a ladyboy (this included the ones with the missing penis) or girl and my Thai friend will walk up to them and confirm.

The thing is that, the cosmetic medical surgeries have improved to the point that even experts find it hard to say the difference.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2943207]There's no excuse when you fail to read the fucking forum.[/QUOTE]I did use the search box but mostly found intel on Pattaya.

All I requested was a brief run down on where and what.

I've noticed many of your responses have a jovial tone.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2943289]I did use the search box but mostly found intel on Pattaya.

All I requested was a brief run down on where and what.

I've noticed many of your responses have a jovial tone.

NI.[/QUOTE]Its hard to be jovial when the same questions are asked over and over. Why bother doing reports if no one reads them?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2942529]Almost all of them are ladyboys.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I see a lot of attractive workers in front of Thermae (in videos), got to be extremely cautious then.

As it transpires I'll be staying close to IconSiam for work, is there any fun to be had in this neck of the woods? Here for a few days before I move to Ploen Chit / Nana area. Thanks all.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2943208]I think people that play with ladyboys are gay. You should be on a gay forum.[/QUOTE]Well luckily it doesn't matter what you think cause you don't make the rules. Feel free to think what you want though.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;2943434]Well luckily it doesn't matter what you think cause you don't make the rules. Feel free to think what you want though.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Just stoned or so drunk. An honest mistake. 555.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;2943434]Well luckily it doesn't matter what you think cause you don't make the rules. Feel free to think what you want though.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2943208]I think people that play with ladyboys are gay. You should be on a gay forum.[/QUOTE]Actually, there is a rule and here it is:

No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately.

Administrators have not strictly enforced this rule, in fact there is a thread on how to identify these people. But the overall intent is so they can be avoided. Suggest we all read the first post in that thread from 2006. It was written by Jackson and he makes the intentions for the website and the thread very clear.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2943443]Actually, there is a rule and here it is:

No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately.

Administrators have not strictly enforced this rule, in fact there is a thread on how to identify these people. But the overall intent is so they can be avoided. Suggest we all read the first post in that thread from 2006. It was written by Jackson and he makes the intentions for the website and the thread very clear.[/QUOTE]Not been enforced at all because it's a stupid rule. If you were to follow it literally it means you can't even mention LB's in a forum on sex in Thailand. Come on get real folks.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2943143]Please educate me. Read about Gentleman's Clubs in Pattaya forum. Are there any in Bangkok?

Briefly what happens for what price please?

Excuse my ignorance.

NI.[/QUOTE]The G clubs in Bangkok are no where near the same as Pattaya. The girls are way hotter and they are more like hostesses that get paid by the hour for sitting with you. They drink from your bottle and only some will go out with you and fuck. There is no bar fine. You need to wait until they close to leave with them or they need to leave early from work. Therefore, you need to pay a lot. At least 6000 Babt ST. Look in Facebook for a club named "the Pimp". It's one of many examples. Clientele are mainly Thai, Chinese, and Korean.

In BKK, the closest I have found to a Pattaya gents club in BKK were the blow job bars and a Thai bar.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2943415]As it transpires I'll be staying close to IconSiam for work, is there any fun to be had in this neck of the woods? Here for a few days before I move to Ploen Chit / Nana area. Thanks all.[/QUOTE]There were some Thai only places out there years ago, but your best bet is to take the water taxi across the river to Saphan Taksin BTS and go from there. Or the monorail to Thonburi BTS.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2943564]The G clubs in Bangkok are no where near the same as Pattaya. The girls are way hotter and they are more like hostesses that get paid by the hour for sitting with you. They drink from your bottle and only some will go out with you and fuck. There is no bar fine. You need to wait until they close to leave with them or they need to leave early from work. Therefore, you need to pay a lot. At least 6000 Babt ST. Look in Facebook for a club named "the Pimp". It's one of many examples. Clientele are mainly Thai, Chinese, and Korean.

In BKK, the closest I have found to a Pattaya gents club in BKK were the blow job bars and a Thai bar.[/QUOTE]Wood Bar and Magic Table are fabulous G clubs.

I'll be in Thailand all of October. Flying in the 2nd into Bangkok and will eventually make my way to Pattaya. This is my first trip. I was thinking about an air BNB for a week to start and then hopefully one for week in Pattaya as well. Any recommendations on areas for a tourist and visitor that hopes to bring girls back.

I am going to be controversial methinks, but this is my current boots on the ground findings.

And yes a somewhat limited sample level.

Have been up from Phuket to Bangkok 3-4 times over the last few months and also added in Pattaya earlier this week.

Have inspected and sampled the girls at Nana, Cowboy and Patpong in Bangkok, as well as LK / Metro and Soi 6 (close enough to a go go) in Pattaya.

After 4 visits to Patpong in this time, my first ever, I would say that Patpong gogo girls are way better lookers (as I like them).

Last night I hit KingCastle (original one) and out of the 60 plus there, at least 10 were 8+ to me, and another 10 fuckable 7+ on desirability.

Most were young, attractive, playful, attentive and eager. Ended up taking a 20 yo cute as, 8 in looks, slim, all natural, Bcups, newbie (6 days) for short time nearby.

Awesome bareback with CIP agreed upfront in gogo for 2500 plus 900 barfine. She didn't want to go far so wouldn't go hotel with me in Sukhumvit, instead went around corner into short time hotel near King Corner. That place was awesome, 700 for a good room, mirrors everywhere including above, stripper podium pole, great bathroom with glass to watch her shower from bed, coloured LED mood lighting, and importantly a good big bed. Can't find it's name on google maps so guessing it's quite new. Does anyone know its name?

She delivered on all promised, giving a good blowjob, very engaged fucking, cumming herself a few times (DATY and fucking), even tried anal, but was abandoned as she was too tight and hurting.

So Patpong has now made it 3 from 3 successful visits, each time easily getting attractive slim natural 19-21 yo's, who allowed bareback and CIP.

One from BadaBing, one from Radio City, and one from KingCastle. So for sure I will be back.

On the other hand, Soi / LK Metro gogos of Queen and Kink were the pits.

Nana was good with a great late 20's one from Billboard, alas condom required.

Soi Cowboy was OK too, with another late 20's from Afterskool, again condom required.

Didn't try Pattaya Walking Street, so no comment on quality and numbers there.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2943663]Wood Bar and Magic Table are fabulous G clubs.[/QUOTE]Those are not gents clubs, they are BJ bars or massage. However, as I said, places likes these are as close as you will get to a Pattaya gents club in Bangkok. The g clubs here are on a completely different level with the service and ladies being more expensive.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2943796]I am going to be controversial methinks, but this is my current boots on the ground findings.

And yes a somewhat limited sample level.

Have been up from Phuket to Bangkok 3-4 times over the last few months and also added in Pattaya earlier this week.

Have inspected and sampled the girls at Nana, Cowboy and Patpong in Bangkok, as well as LK / Metro and Soi 6 (close enough to a go go) in Pattaya.

After 4 visits to Patpong in this time, my first ever, I would say that Patpong gogo girls are way better lookers (as I like them).

Last night I hit KingCastle (original one) and out of the 60 plus there, at least 10 were 8+ to me, and another 10 fuckable 7+ on desirability.

Most were young, attractive, playful, attentive and eager. Ended up taking a 20 yo cute as, 8 in looks, slim, all natural, Bcups, newbie (6 days) for short time nearby..[/QUOTE]Is that a typo? 2500 seems awfully cheap especially if it was CIP but even for ST.

For sake of completeness, did you order any LD and how many.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2943838]Those are not gents clubs, they are BJ bars or massage. However, as I said, places likes these are as close as you will get to a Pattaya gents club in Bangkok. The g clubs here are on a completely different level with the service and ladies being more expensive.[/QUOTE]Yes I know thanks for ruining my little joke.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2943796]Patpong GoGo girl quality

After 4 visits to Patpong in this time, my first ever, I would say that Patpong gogo girls are way better lookers (as I like them).

Last night I hit KingCastle (original one) and out of the 60 plus there, at least 10 were 8+ to me, and another 10 fuckable 7+ on desirability.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this post. Nice to see KC making a comeback. Was far and away my favorite BKK gogo bar a year or two pre-COVID. 60 girls is still far from what it used to be but at least it's showing signs of life. I gave up on it since I had a few bomb outs the couple of years following COVID. Felt my limited days in BKK were being wasted whenever I went. Will give it another try next time.

As for Pattaya, good gogo bars are on Walking Street, not LK Metro. Gone are the days when LK Metro had Ninja, Champagne, Kaos, etc. LK Metro is more for locals to have a cheap beer. Why didn't you go to Walking Street?

[QUOTE=BroncosRob;2943721]I'll be in Thailand all of October. Flying in the 2nd into Bangkok and will eventually make my way to Pattaya. This is my first trip. I was thinking about an air BNB for a week to start and then hopefully one for week in Pattaya as well. Any recommendations on areas for a tourist and visitor that hopes to bring girls back.[/QUOTE]First, read the forum, with an eye towards your personal circumstances. What's your price range? What do you like? What kind of shape you in? How much do you drink?

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2943853]Is that a typo? 2500 seems awfully cheap especially if it was CIP but even for ST.

For sake of completeness, did you order any LD and how many.[/QUOTE]I will repeat, she was a newbie, and when I asked how much, she mistakenly asked how much I would give her, I of course lowballed her at 2000, expecting a 3000 ask and ending point. She came back with 2500, I suggested 2200 as a negotiation joke, smiled, then said yes to 2500. Later mamasan would try to get me to pay 3500 at same time as barfine was paid, I just said I would pay the girl later, dismissing the mamasan. And yes, bareback tho not creampie, as it was left unmentioned, was agreed whilst still in the gogo bar.

As to drinks, she had had 3 tequila shots by the time we negotiated short time, then 2 more tequila shots after.

Visited Wood Bar in the evening after 2 beers down. Directly entered the bar and took a seat on the left hand side. All the girls flocked inside and sat on the other side in a single line in 2 different colored costumes. Papasan there asked what would I like and showed the menu card. I said BJ only to which he asked to choose from the collection of the girls. 800 BHT girls were in black dresses whereas 1000 BHT girls were in golden dresses. To be honest couldn't differentiate between the 2 pricing tiers. Asked the papasan to recommend a few with good service and he chose 2 girls out of which I chose one and went upstairs 2nd floor I guess. Don't know what is the 1st floor used for but saw a person watching TV there. Entered the cubicle type room towards the end which had old used kind of sofa and a wash basin / sink for the cleanup. Sat down on the sofa / chair and she removed her top and took my tool in her mouth trying to make it hard. Did fake moans in between for the arousal. She tried to take it deep and I pushed her head towards me. I asked her if she does facial and she said only around the mouth / cheeks. I wanted to CIM hence kept going. I was taking time to nut but she didn't complain. Shot in her mouth and she drained me till the last drop. She went to the basin to spit the spunk and cleansed her mouth with Listerine and then cleaned me up. She did a pretty well job so tipped her 100 BHT. Didn't ask her name but she's kind of mid-aged, slim frame and has a tattoo on her left arm. Left the place and went to have some food. Overall a decent and value for money experience for me.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2943796]I am going to be controversial methinks, but this is my current boots on the ground findings.

And yes a somewhat limited sample level.

Have been up from Phuket to Bangkok 3-4 times over the last few months and also added in Pattaya earlier this week.

Have inspected and sampled the girls at Nana, Cowboy and Patpong in Bangkok, as well as LK / Metro and Soi 6 (close enough to a go go) in Pattaya.

After 4 visits to Patpong in this time, my first ever, I would say that Patpong gogo girls are way better lookers (as I like them).

Last night I hit KingCastle (original one) and out of the 60 plus there, at least 10 were 8+ to me, and another 10 fuckable 7+ on desirability.

Most were young, attractive, playful, attentive and eager. Ended up taking a 20 yo cute as, 8 in looks, slim, all natural, Bcups, newbie (6 days) for short time nearby.

Awesome bareback with CIP agreed upfront in gogo for 2500 plus 900 barfine. She didn't want to go far so wouldn't go hotel with me in Sukhumvit, instead went around corner into short time hotel near King Corner. That place was awesome, 700 for a good room, mirrors everywhere including above, stripper podium pole, great bathroom with glass to watch her shower from bed, coloured LED mood lighting, and importantly a good big bed. Can't find it's name on google maps so guessing it's quite new. Does anyone know its name?

She delivered on all promised, giving a good blowjob, very engaged fucking, cumming herself a few times (DATY and fucking), even tried anal, but was abandoned as she was too tight and hurting..[/QUOTE]Similar experience on my end with patpong. I think it was my favorite spot for gogo bars in Bangkok. Wish that I had spent more time there and hit more bars in the area, but it was a bit far from my hotel. Lots of college girls. Nana plaza has them too, but it seemed like there were more in patpong, plus quite a few lookers. Patpong struck me as a hidden gem, and after I first discovered it, I kept wanting to go back haha. Sadly I think I only got 2 or 3 nights there. So maybe small sample size for me as well in patpong, but nonetheless out of the maybe 15 girls I banged in Thailand, my favorite one was a hot slim young college girl I barfined from kings castle 1. One of the few girls I tried to repeat with but the timing didn't work out unfortunately.

Your price seems low BTW. Was it 2500 just for the BBFS? In my experience, I think I paid about 4000 to the girl for ST at kings castle plus 700 to the bar. Then 2 k tip on top of that for creampie.

As for BBFS, idk if the patpong chicks are necessarily more open to it or not. I think that's really just a matter of luck. In my experience it was maybe 50/50 at best on whether gogo girls were down for creampie. Obviously if you're prepared to tip them an additional 2 k baht that will help. But at the end of the day, there's a lot of luck and timing involved in barfining and BBFSing the hot young ones from the gogo bars.

LK metro sucked in my experience as well. Total waste of time. Only reason to go is to see the girls who dance fully nude in certain bars. But they were hardly lookers.

If I were to return to Bangkok tomorrow, PatPong's night market would be my first stop and my main hunting ground.

Been passing Kasalong and Lolitas multiple times a day for three days when I was recently thereabouts.

Kept seeing younger and attractive girls out front, so eventually thought I'd stop and go in to try one out.

It was early evening 6 pm'ish on one of those recent hot days.

Now let's say upfront that I've been to Lolitas before, but never Kasalong, so heading in and upstairs was a first.

The downstairs at Kasalong is a veritable pigsty, and what's worse it was rank, stank and hot as they had no air con on.

I was feeling very uncomfortable there, and told them so, asking if it was cooler upstairs, but getting no answer.

I followed them upstairs, finding it was even warmer, riper, and more overpowering, so much so that I turned and walked out.

Of course I told them why, and just received replies from them that they were turning on the aircon now.

But I can tell you now, there was no way I could survive 5 minutes or more in there waiting until it cooled down.

And to those being incredulous about it, how about my WTF.

As in what workplace wouldn't have kept an air con on, at least at a low level, to await customers to come in, so as to ensure that they would be comfortable.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2944099]Visited Wood I said BJ only to which he asked to choose from the collection of the girls. 800 BHT girls were in black dresses whereas 1000 BHT girls were in golden dresses. [/QUOTE]I didn't realise there was a 2 tier system. Has it always been like this?

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2944160]I followed them upstairs, finding it was even warmer, riper, and more overpowering, so much so that I turned and walked out.
...
As in what workplace wouldn't have kept an air con on, at least at a low level, to await customers to come in, so as to ensure that they would be comfortable.[/QUOTE]That's a common problem with many small Thailand massage shops, the air conditioning is off unless customers are present. I too have walked out because the room is too hot. Can it be a good business decision to turn the AC off when customers are not present? It seems that just a couple extra customers per week would pay for the extra energy usage.

I agree with your overall point: Kasalong is horrible. About the same as Lolita's next door. The places on Soi 7/1 seem a little better. 7-Heaven is a nicer facility with prettier girls.

Had a good time at King's Castle about two months ago with a hottie. Selection was good, on a par with a good Nana gogo. I negotiated B3000, down from B3500 plus barfine of B700 (I think). BBFS no problem and the girl was young and slim. She followed my orders and performed just beautifully. Not quite GFE but she was a damn good actress. I went back to see her upon my return to BKK a few weeks later and she was gone. Would have been one of my few repeats for that trip. Followed the barfine up with my wingman at Roadhouse BBQ for the buy 10 wings, get 10 wings Monday night special. Good women, good food. Patpong is underrated. I need to find a good, mid level hotel close by and spend more time there next trip.

I tried to see Puy the Roti lady but she wasn't working the three times I went to her location.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2944245]That's a common problem with many small Thailand massage shops, the air conditioning is off unless customers are present. I too have walked out because the room is too hot. Can it be a good business decision to turn the AC off when customers are not present? It seems that just a couple extra customers per week would pay for the extra energy usage.[/QUOTE]I find almost every massage place keeps the darn air con off, too. Exceptions are busy places like 7 Heaven and Wood.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2944188]I didn't realise there was a 2 tier system. Has it always been like this?[/QUOTE]Used to be red and black dresses.

Returning to BKK post 4 years and am all excited. I was the few initial lucky lads to have tried DOKI DOKI when it started and am looking forward to go there as soon as I land. Would request the best therapist suggestions in present lineup. Will be trying Elsa from Aries as well.

Cheers and TIA!

I fly into Bangkok for a 3 1/2 week holiday in November and my flight gets in around 6:30 PM. A buddy of mine doesn't arrive until around midnight so I've got some time to kill. Anyone have any suggestions on something very nearby the airport like a massage, etc. ? Not have to be a massage it can be a cool bar that has some ladies in it, whatever. As soon as my feet hit the ground, I want to be doing something. LOL has to be something close by the airport because I want to return around 11 PM to meet my friend.

(Very) concise report on my latest impressions of the few gogos of Nana plaza that I visited last Monday and Tuesday. To make it short, I find that it is much more expensive than Pattaya and the quality is much lower. When you come from XS, Baccara (the one of Walking Street Pattaya) or Kink it is a cold shower. I arrived both evenings at 8:00 pm But the gogos start slowly from 8:15 pm Not much before 9:00 pm In fact. I left around 10:00 pm So I don't know how lively it is from 10:00 pm I got yelled at because I was caught red-handed taking a photo in the square courtyard. I didn't know that it was forbidden to take photos even outside otherwise I would have been more discreet.

Spanky's: pretty bad, it starts with a fake show, a girl dressed as a boy and a big sausage in a nightie dance on stage, girls come to dance for 10 minutes then it's empty again. Soda = 185 B.

Tycoon, 4 girls not super great (except one) who dance but the beer during happy hour is 99 B. Rather welcoming staff.

Billboard: by far the best gogo I visited in Nana plaza. The only one that is really worth the detour. Starts to really come alive from 9:00 pm The girls are pretty and most of them are smiling. I love the carousel that turns with many girls on it especially during team changes when they are all together. Funny, original and it saves you from having to move to see them all. Plus it's the cheapest beer 165 B.

Butterflies (180 B for a beer): the management seems to be the same as Billboard's. Several girls on 2 sets. From memory maybe about ten in all but really not hotties. A large volume of space that seems empty. But a few comfortable armchairs if you accept to be a little far from the stage.

AngelWitch: 5 ugly, old and pushy girls, big vulgar mamasan who yells, you want to run away. Soda 185 B.

Rainbow: only 8 girls but very pretty and smiling, Soda: 130.

Mandarin: nice decor, 6 girls on the first floor, average, you get bored after 10 minutes. Beer 180 B

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2944399](Very) concise report on my latest impressions of the few gogos of Nana plaza that I visited last Monday and Tuesday. To make it short, I find that it is much more expensive than Pattaya and the quality is much lower. When you come from XS, Baccara (the one of Walking Street Pattaya) or Kink it is a cold shower. I arrived both evenings at 8:00 pm But the gogos start slowly from 8:15 pm Not much before 9:00 pm In fact. I left around 10:00 pm So I don't know how lively it is from 10:00 pm I got yelled at because I was caught red-handed taking a photo in the square courtyard. I didn't know that it was forbidden to take photos even outside otherwise I would have been more discreet.

Spanky's: pretty bad, it starts with a fake show, a girl dressed as a boy and a big sausage in a nightie dance on stage, girls come to dance for 10 minutes then it's empty again. Soda = 185 B.

Tycoon, 4 girls not super great (except one) who dance but the beer during happy hour is 99 B. Rather welcoming staff.

Billboard: by far the best gogo I visited in Nana plaza. The only one that is really worth the detour. Starts to really come alive from 9:00 pm The girls are pretty and most of them are smiling. I love the carousel that turns with many girls on it especially during team changes when they are all together. Funny, original and it saves you from having to move to see them all. Plus it's the cheapest beer 165 B.

Butterflies (180 B for a beer): the management seems to be the same as Billboard's. Several girls on 2 sets. From memory maybe about ten in all but really not hotties. A large volume of space that seems empty. But a few comfortable armchairs if you accept to be a little far from the stage.

AngelWitch: 5 ugly, old and pushy girls, big vulgar mamasan who yells, you want to run away. Soda 185 B.

Rainbow: only 8 girls but very pretty and smiling, Soda: 130.

Mandarin: nice decor, 6 girls on the first floor, average, you get bored after 10 minutes. Beer 180 B[/QUOTE]Nice summary and I think quite accurate. Billboard is def most fun and the revolving stage is the highlight. To each his own but I think the music / DJ is best there also. Just a hoppin place. And still fun at 1 AM. Boots on the ground say Rainbow 5 is worth a look.

Visited the place again after the gap of 4 days. Entered the bar and same ritual started. This time there was a mamasan short hair beige color and asked me what would I like. Told her the usual and she asked me to select. 800 BHT girls were in silver dresses whereas 1000 BHT girls were in red dresses. Selected a mid-sized frame girl with glasses named Moey / Moi or Number # 20. Went upstairs to the same cubicle type room I was before with old sofa / chair. She cleaned up my tool in the wash basin, dried with napkin and the deed started. Fake moans with a bit of HJ. She continued for a while but I wasn't nearing climax as I was tipsy. She paused for 10-15 seconds and started with HJ then, her mouth must have been tired. LOL. Anyway, asked her to increase the speed and spurted on her hand. She left immediately after the cleanup. Decent experience as expected.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2944469]Visited the place again after the gap of 4 days. Entered the bar and same ritual started. This time there was a mamasan short hair beige color and asked me what would I like. Told her the usual and she asked me to select. 800 BHT girls were in silver dresses whereas 1000 BHT girls were in red dresses. Selected a mid-sized frame girl with glasses named Moey / Moi or Number # 20. Went upstairs to the same cubicle type room I was before with old sofa / chair. She cleaned up my tool in the wash basin, dried with napkin and the deed started. Fake moans with a bit of HJ. She continued for a while but I wasn't nearing climax as I was tipsy. She paused for 10-15 seconds and started with HJ then, her mouth must have been tired. LOL. Anyway, asked her to increase the speed and spurted on her hand. She left immediately after the cleanup. Decent experience as expected.[/QUOTE]For those who never been to Thailand ID consider Provider. FULL SIZE. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2944372] .. Anyone have any suggestions on something very nearby the airport like a massage, etc. ? [/QUOTE]Tara Massage (Charoen Krung road) is 30 min from the airport. It's a full "entertainment complex," like Black Caviar.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2944399](Very) concise report on my latest impressions of the few gogos of Nana plaza that I visited last Monday and Tuesday. To make it short, I find that it is much more expensive than Pattaya and the quality is much lower. When you come from XS, Baccara (the one of Walking Street Pattaya) or Kink it is a cold shower. I arrived both evenings at 8:00 pm But the gogos start slowly from 8:15 pm Not much before 9:00 pm In fact. I left around 10:00 pm So I don't know how lively it is from 10:00 pm I got yelled at because I was caught red-handed taking a photo in the square courtyard. I didn't know that it was forbidden to take photos even outside otherwise I would have been more discrete [/QUOTE]Perfect and informative report. Well done!s

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2944372]I fly into Bangkok for a 3 1/2 week holiday in November and my flight gets in around 6:30 PM. A buddy of mine doesn't arrive until around midnight so I've got some time to kill. Anyone have any suggestions on something very nearby the airport like a massage, etc. ? [/QUOTE]If it's a massage and maybe a happy ending you want, Porntip Massage, on Lat Krabang Road, is about 15 minutes from the airport. Several months ago I had a pretty good massage from an employee there and was offered extras. I declined so I don't know what she was offering. The owner is a sweetheart. Her name is Rita or Lita. I went in the evening, and when I was done, the owner and I walked a short distance to a bar and had a few and a bite to eat. I never met her before, she's just easy to talk to.

[QUOTE=MaddyJ88;2944334]Returning to BKK post 4 years and am all excited. I was the few initial lucky lads to have tried DOKI DOKI when it started and am looking forward to go there as soon as I land. Would request the best therapist suggestions in present lineup. Will be trying Elsa from Aries as well.

Cheers and TIA![/QUOTE]Can strongly recommend Mimi at Doki Doki for a great and thoroughly engaged service.

If big tits is your scene look elsewhere tho.

[QUOTE=Allover;2944267]Had a good time at King's Castle about two months ago with a hottie. Selection was good, on a par with a good Nana gogo. I negotiated B3000, down from B3500 plus barfine of B700 (I think). BBFS no problem and the girl was young and slim. She followed my orders and performed just beautifully. Not quite GFE but she was a damn good actress. I went back to see her upon my return to BKK a few weeks later and she was gone. Would have been one of my few repeats for that trip. Followed the barfine up with my wingman at Roadhouse BBQ for the buy 10 wings, get 10 wings Monday night special. Good women, good food. Patpong is underrated. I need to find a good, mid level hotel close by and spend more time there next trip.

I tried to see Puy the Roti lady but she wasn't working the three times I went to her location.[/QUOTE]Patpong is Properly rated. So bad you really don't need to go there.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2943796]Have been up from Phuket to Bangkok three or four times over the last few months and also added in Pattaya earlier this week. Have inspected and sampled the girls at Nana, Cowboy and Patpong in Bangkok, as well as LK / Metro and Soi 6 in Pattaya. After four visits to Patpong, I would say that Patpong gogo girls are way better lookers (as I like them).[/QUOTE]Excellent report from Mr. Good Times. Kudos to him for taking the time to post. Glad to hear that Patpong is showing signs of life.

Bunky

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2943796]I am going to be controversial methinks, but this is my current boots on the ground findings.

And yes a somewhat limited sample level.

Have been up from Phuket to Bangkok 3-4 times over the last few months and also added in Pattaya earlier this week.

Have inspected and sampled the girls at Nana, Cowboy and Patpong in Bangkok, as well as LK / Metro and Soi 6 (close enough to a go go) in Pattaya.

After 4 visits to Patpong in this time, my first ever, I would say that Patpong gogo girls are way better lookers (as I like them).

Last night I hit KingCastle (original one) and out of the 60 plus there, at least 10 were 8+ to me, and another 10 fuckable 7+ on desirability.

Most were young, attractive, playful, attentive and eager. Ended up taking a 20 yo cute as, 8 in looks, slim, all natural, Bcups, newbie (6 days) for short time nearby.

Awesome bareback with CIP agreed upfront in gogo for 2500 plus 900 barfine. She didn't want to go far so wouldn't go hotel with me in Sukhumvit, instead went around corner into short time hotel near King Corner. That place was awesome, 700 for a good room, mirrors everywhere including above, stripper podium pole, great bathroom with glass to watch her shower from bed, coloured LED mood lighting, and importantly a good big bed. Can't find it's name on google maps so guessing it's quite new. Does anyone know its name?

She delivered on all promised, giving a good blowjob, very engaged fucking, cumming herself a few times (DATY and fucking), even tried anal, but was abandoned as she was too tight and hurting.

So Patpong has now made it 3 from 3 successful visits, each time easily getting attractive slim natural 19-21 yo's, who allowed bareback and CIP.

One from BadaBing, one from Radio City, and one from KingCastle. So for sure I will be back.

On the other hand, Soi / LK Metro gogos of Queen and Kink were the pits.

Nana was good with a great late 20's one from Billboard, alas condom required.

Soi Cowboy was OK too, with another late 20's from Afterskool, again condom required.

Didn't try Pattaya Walking Street, so no comment on quality and numbers there.[/QUOTE]I have not been here since just after covid. My office is even very near there, but I just keep forgetting about this area. Maybe because of the notion of it being the gay area. However, the straight Barts are nestled right in the middle of it all. I will have to make a point of going back here soon.

Credible reports on Rainbow 5 please. Will be returning soon. I have 90 days left of my 180 days allowed.

I'm assuming Rainbow4 is Chugging along as usual.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2944605]Patpong is Properly rated. So bad you really don't need to go there.[/QUOTE]I don't know about you but I've always pissed on the thought of Pat pong however, the recent reviews make me want to go check it out again after probably 10 years. There's a lot of good food in the area so might be worth an earlier visit my next time in town it's no hassle at all to get to from Suk.

On the other hand, knowing my fat lazy elderly stoned ass the way I do, I'll probably just end up at Thermae.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2944682]Excellent report from Mr. Good Times. Kudos to him for taking the time to post. Glad to hear that Patpong is showing signs of life.

Bunky[/QUOTE]Thanks Bunky.

It's more than just signs of life, as far as talent goes it was thriving, and yes, that can change quickly. The added benefits are that it was low on customers, and at least for me, the girls were willing to negotiate on price. Tho they did make some extra money on drinks. As I mentioned three very happy visits across three different gogos there, KingCastle, BadaBing, and Radio City.

Lastly, the short time hotel in the area as new, and very attractive to use.

I have been visiting BKK for over a decade but I have never found a gym that meets my needs. First off, I am basically a long distance runner who does some weight training so I need a decent treadmill in a room that is decently air conditioned. I had a pretty good gym that I frequent near the S31 Sukhumvit hotel, but the treadmill is by a window and the heat can be oppressive (the the S31 Sukhumvit hotel has a nice gym on the 9th floor, but they won't let non-residents use it). Furthermore, I think the gym is basically closed down. In addition to a treadmill, I like to work out on the bench but I also like machines, which are virtually non existent in my gym.

When I look at ThaiFriendly, lots of the freelancers are working out in beautiful gyms, so perhaps I should ask them. At the risk of sounding sexist (LOL), not all women know what constitutes a decent gym. That is why I am asking here for recommendations.

Please PM me or post some suggestions! Thanks, MG.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2944863]I have been visiting BKK for over a decade but I have never found a gym that meets my needs. First off, I am basically a long distance runner who does some weight training so I need a decent treadmill in a room that is decently air conditioned. I had a pretty good gym that I frequent near the S31 Sukhumvit hotel, but the treadmill is by a window and the heat can be oppressive (the the S31 Sukhumvit hotel has a nice gym on the 9th floor, but they won't let non-residents use it). Furthermore, I think the gym is basically closed down. In addition to a treadmill, I like to work out on the bench but I also like machines, which are virtually non existent in my gym.

When I look at ThaiFriendly, lots of the freelancers are working out in beautiful gyms, so perhaps I should ask them. At the risk of sounding sexist (LOL), not all women know what constitutes a decent gym. That is why I am asking here for recommendations.

Please PM me or post some suggestions! Thanks, MG.[/QUOTE]Jetts fitness Asoke should do.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2944863]I have been visiting BKK for over a decade but I have never found a gym that meets my needs. .[/QUOTE]I like Swisshotel Ratchada but it's not near Sukhumvit.

Also,

[URL]https://www.hotelgyms.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2944863]I have been visiting BKK for over a decade but I have never found a gym that meets my needs. First off, I am basically a long distance runner who does some weight training so I need a decent treadmill in a room that is decently air conditioned. I had a pretty good gym that I frequent near the S31 Sukhumvit hotel, but the treadmill is by a window and the heat can be oppressive (the the S31 Sukhumvit hotel has a nice gym on the 9th floor, but they won't let non-residents use it). Furthermore, I think the gym is basically closed down. In addition to a treadmill, I like to work out on the bench but I also like machines, which are virtually non existent in my gym.

When I look at ThaiFriendly, lots of the freelancers are working out in beautiful gyms, so perhaps I should ask them. At the risk of sounding sexist (LOL), not all women know what constitutes a decent gym. That is why I am asking here for recommendations.

Please PM me or post some suggestions! Thanks, MG.[/QUOTE]At the risk of sounding elitist, nobody who prefers machines over free weight would know what constitutes a decent gym either, so I suspect you cannot have looked very hard.

I'll second the recommendation for Jetts at Asoke due to location and price mostly, though I've never tried the treadmills there so not sure of their quality (I prefer to run outside in the nearby park). Much better is the Jetts on the other side of Benjakitti park, in the small shopping mall there next to the big hospital. There's an MRT stop nearby and you can connect via the BTS on e. G. Asoke (just one stop down from Asoke).

If money is no consideration, the gym at the top floor of Emquartier at Phrom Phong, Virgin Active, is probably one of the best you can find in Bangkok (or anywhere else for that matter). It's too expensive as a short-term membership for me though. Virgin Active also has other locations in Bangkok which I suspect are good too.

Most hotel gyms are pretty poor, but one of the better hotel gyms I've seen is the gym in the Marriot on Sukhumvit 22, right next to the new Emsphere shopping mall. It also has squash courts you can use as an excuse to meet more sporty girls at your hotel for the first date.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2944802]Thanks Bunky.

It's more than just signs of life, as far as talent goes it was thriving, and yes, that can change quickly. The added benefits are that it was low on customers, and at least for me, the girls were willing to negotiate on price. Tho they did make some extra money on drinks. As I mentioned three very happy visits across three different gogos there, KingCastle, BadaBing, and Radio City.

Lastly, the short time hotel in the area as new, and very attractive to use.[/QUOTE]I'm not hating on Patpong.

Poster just posted there are lack of customers. I wonder why.

No harm in going. I might go just to see the Credibility of poster.

There's a mid level place that serves decent bbq.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2944955]At the risk of sounding elitist, nobody who prefers machines over free weight would know what constitutes a decent gym either, so I suspect you cannot have looked very hard.

I'll second the recommendation for Jetts at Asoke due to location and price mostly, though I've never tried the treadmills there so not sure of their quality (I prefer to run outside in the nearby park). Much better is the Jetts on the other side of Benjakitti park, in the small shopping mall there next to the big hospital. There's an MRT stop nearby and you can connect via the BTS on e. G. Asoke (just one stop down from Asoke).

If money is no consideration, the gym at the top floor of Emquartier at Phrom Phong, Virgin Active, is probably one of the best you can find in Bangkok (or anywhere else for that matter). It's too expensive as a short-term membership for me though. Virgin Active also has other locations in Bangkok which I suspect are good too.

Most hotel gyms are pretty poor, but one of the better hotel gyms I've seen is the gym in the Marriot on Sukhumvit 22, right next to the new Emsphere shopping mall. It also has squash courts you can use as an excuse to meet more sporty girls at your hotel for the first date.[/QUOTE]Virgin Active is by far the best chain in Bangkok. I switched from Jetts about a year ago, but I think it is overkill for a visitor, especially if one isn't interested in classes like hiit, yoga, and pilates reformer. Their shortest term is 4 months and that is well over a hundred US month. Jetts Black at Rama IV will also be more expensive then the regular Jetts at Asoke, although it is definitely a better gym.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2944995]Virgin Active is by far the best chain in Bangkok. I switched from Jetts about a year ago, but I think it is overkill for a visitor, especially if one isn't interested in classes like hiit, yoga, and pilates reformer. Their shortest term is 4 months and that is well over a hundred US month. Jetts Black at Rama IV will also be more expensive then the regular Jetts at Asoke, although it is definitely a better gym.[/QUOTE]I disagree, I've been weight training for 25 years and I prefer machines now. After so long it gets tiring / boring doing the same barbell exercises.

Ambassador hotel has an old school but decent gym, so has Prince Palace hotel. Muu Bangkok and So / Bangkok if your budget is slightly higher.

Was in Bangkok for 48 hours. It was my first time there, so figured my report may help other newbies.

My first night I went to Wonder Massage. I had looked at pics of the girls beforehand (they are on Telegram and Line), and the pic of the girl I took (Micky) was accurate. I loved being able to pick from a lineup of girls, though there were really only 2-3 I found attractive. I chose a 1-HR Nuru session (1 pop) which included a soapy bath beforehand, for 3000 THB. I thought the soapy beforehand was an amazing and unique experience! DFK, HJ, BBBJ, and CFS was available, and I finished with CIM.

I went to Soi Cowboy afterward, and while it was fun the scene wasn't for me. Tried walking to other recommended massage parlors but got caught in a downpour and gave up. (See more below.).

The next afternoon I checked out the lineups at several massage parlors (including Wonder Massage again) looking for someone attractive. I'm guessing the selection gets better the later it gets, but I was extremely disappointed and by 6 pm gave up. After a quick dinner, I went to La Belle where they have a "fishbowl" that allows you to check out the girls while you enjoy a beer. There were girls in different price ranges (though only a few at the lower ranges), and eventually I settled on a cute girl for 4500 THB for a 90-min session with 2 pops. The session again included an amazing soapy bath after which we moved to a bed for DFK, BBBJ, and CIM. Had another great time, though was disappointed that the girl didn't manage the time properly and I only got 1 pop in. (Maybe it was partly my fault since I spent some time getting her to O.).

Afterward I checked out Nana Plaza. Definitely worth seeing, and lots of good looking girls (much better than I was seeing at the massage parlors) but I didn't think it was great value. I was quoted 5000 THB (4000 + 1000 barfine) for 1 HR, and that didn't include the cost of the hotel (she was not willing to walk 10 minutes to my hotel) or the drinks. One thing I would add is that I thought several of the clubs had beautiful girls; I didn't find the girls in Billboard or Butterflies significantly more attractive than anywhere else (though there were more to choose from), and the hottest girl I had a drink with was at Lollipop. Didn't leave with anyone.

I ended up picking up two girls on the street for a 1-hour duo back at my hotel for 3000 THB each. A much better deal! Though I should say that I found the service lacking compared to my soapy experiences where the girls really wanted to please.

Overall, I would say things took much more planning than I expected. It takes time to go from place to place, especially if you want to go outside the core area to places like La Belle (where it took forever to get a taxi back) or Tulip (which I did not make it to), and especially if it is raining (which it probably will). I loved the soapies, but for me looks are a big part of it and I was disappointed with what was on offer. My advice is to do some advanced research (using Line) to see lineups in advance, and consider scheduling a particular girl if you find her attractive. Nana can be great if you're willing to invest the time, though I question how good the service would be. (I got the impression the girls want the turnaround time to be as fast as possible.).

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2944983]I'm not hating on Patpong.

Poster just posted there are lack of customers. I wonder why.

No harm in going. I might go just to see the Credibility of poster.

There's a mid level place that serves decent bbq.[/QUOTE]You speak of credibility UglyAzzMan.

I'll let the photos do the talking for me.

I had tried to load them before but they aren't there, hopefully this time.

First two are BadaBing, third is Radio City, fourth is last week at KingCastle.

I like the machines down in Thermae.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2944983]I'm not hating on Patpong.

Poster just posted there are lack of customers. I wonder why.

No harm in going. I might go just to see the Credibility of poster.
[/QUOTE]For sure the atmosphere of Patpong isn't vibrant like Nana Plaza. In fact it is quiet and almost depressing compared to it's heyday. But there are girls there worth checking out. And a walk down Soi Thaniya is interesting. Tons of girls outside that are unavailable to Westerners.

It's nice you have time to check out other posters credibility.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2945309]You speak of credibility UglyAzzMan.

I'll let the photos do the talking for me.

I had tried to load them before but they aren't there, hopefully this time.

First two are BadaBing, third is Radio City, fourth is last week at KingCastle.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that Patpong is as good as you say. It's just so easy to forget about. We always think of Nana, Soi Cowboy, and Soi 7. I have been there in the past and always found great ladies there. Your posts have reminded me.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2945309]You speak of credibility UglyAzzMan.

I'll let the photos do the talking for me.

I had tried to load them before but they aren't there, hopefully this time.

First two are BadaBing, third is Radio City, fourth is last week at KingCastle.[/QUOTE]I think my return here has just been cemented in stone thanks to you. Love it!

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2945309]You speak of credibility UglyAzzMan.

I'll let the photos do the talking for me.

I had tried to load them before but they aren't there, hopefully this time.

First two are BadaBing, third is Radio City, fourth is last week at KingCastle.[/QUOTE]Nothing special.

[QUOTE=Allover;2945361]For sure the atmosphere of Patpong isn't vibrant like Nana Plaza. In fact it is quiet and almost depressing compared to it's heyday. But there are girls there worth checking out. And a walk down Soi Thaniya is interesting. Tons of girls outside that are unavailable to Westerners.

It's nice you have time to check out other posters credibility.[/QUOTE]To his Credit he posted photos.

You can be the first to give a Thumb up of Thumbs down. Do it Bro.

Would you Swipe left or right.

I can't help it. Hahaha. That 3rd one is what I think the DUD goes for.

I do like the nipple on the 4th one.

[QUOTE=Jkass470;2945304]Was in Bangkok for 48 hours. It was my first time there, so figured my report may help other newbies.

My first night I went to Wonder Massage. I had looked at pics of the girls beforehand (they are on Telegram and Line), and the pic of the girl I took (Micky) was accurate. I loved being able to pick from a lineup of girls, though there were really only 2-3 I found attractive. I chose a 1-HR Nuru session (1 pop) which included a soapy bath beforehand, for 3000 THB. I thought the soapy beforehand was an amazing and unique experience! DFK, HJ, BBBJ, and CFS was available, and I finished with CIM.

I went to Soi Cowboy afterward, and while it was fun the scene wasn't for me. Tried walking to other recommended massage parlors but got caught in a downpour and gave up. (See more below.).

The next afternoon I checked out the lineups at several massage parlors (including Wonder Massage again) looking for someone attractive. I'm guessing the selection gets better the later it gets, but I was extremely disappointed and by 6 pm gave up. After a quick dinner, I went to La Belle where they have a "fishbowl" that allows you to check out the girls while you enjoy a beer. There were girls in different price ranges (though only a few at the lower ranges), and eventually I settled on a cute girl for 4500 THB for a 90-min session with 2 pops. The session again included an amazing soapy bath after which we moved to a bed for DFK, BBBJ, and CIM. Had another great time, though was disappointed that the girl didn't manage the time properly and I only got 1 pop in. (Maybe it was partly my fault since I spent some time getting her to O.).

Afterward I checked out Nana Plaza. Definitely worth seeing, and lots of good looking girls (much better than I was seeing at the massage parlors) but I didn't think it was great value. I was quoted 5000 THB (4000 + 1000 barfine) for 1 HR, and that didn't include the cost of the hotel (she was not willing to walk 10 minutes to my hotel) or the drinks. One thing I would add is that I thought several of the clubs had beautiful girls; I didn't find the girls in Billboard or Butterflies significantly more attractive than anywhere else (though there were more to choose from), and the hottest girl I had a drink with was at Lollipop. Didn't leave with anyone.

I ended up picking up two girls on the street for a 1-hour duo back at my hotel for 3000 THB each. A much better deal! Though I should say that I found the service lacking compared to my soapy experiences where the girls really wanted to please.

Overall, I would say things took much more planning than I expected. It takes time to go from place to place, especially if you want to go outside the core area to places like La Belle (where it took forever to get a taxi back) or Tulip (which I did not make it to), and especially if it is raining (which it probably will). I loved the soapies, but for me looks are a big part of it and I was disappointed with what was on offer. My advice is to do some advanced research (using Line) to see lineups in advance, and consider scheduling a particular girl if you find her attractive. Nana can be great if you're willing to invest the time, though I question how good the service would be. (I got the impression the girls want the turnaround time to be as fast as possible.).[/QUOTE]JK,

Thanks for taking the time and your valuable info. A few things from my experience: Bangkok is a big city and yes, getting around takes time. Best options are the BTs and MRT provided they cover the area. La Belle is besides Petchaburi Station (MRT and AirPort Express) for example. 1 MRT stop south and you are on the Skytrain that covers much of Sukhumvit. Best is during the rain most of the walkways are covered. Motorbike taxis are another option, use Bolt or grab and make sure you have a good life insurance policy. 3000 each for a Sukhumvit SW is overpaying, it used to be 1000 now you need bargain harder but I would never pay more than 2 k unless she is Julia Roberts. Happy you enjoyed your time and hope you make it back for more fun.

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