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we want lifesavour for president! we want lifesavour for president of this forum! we want lifesavour for president of the world!

yes, you have discovered the light) the russian sucking skill is god!

[quote=lifesavour]. russian blonde kseniya sukhinova was crowned the 58th miss world saturday after a two-hour spectacle in south africa that combined elements of travelogue and reality show, and the kind of flag-waving usually seen at sports events.

. the contest was to have taken place in ukraine, but was moved to south africa because of tensions between russia and georgia and fears conflict could spread to ukraine. south africa has hosted more miss world finals than any other country.

friggin russians, kseniya was to spend an afternoon showing me her suk in over skills during her stay in kyiv!

speaking of sukin. many have always wondered in awe at the skills of russian/ukrainian girls at 'sucking'. i also was amazed during my 1st trip to kyiv / odessa in 2000.

there is a simple answer why they are so much better than the west.

don't exactly know the name of this ribka (fish), but you will see locals sitting with some pivo and a slew of these little fresh fish, pull the heads off, rip open and remove the guts and peel the meat away from the skin with there teeth and eat this slavic sushi!

i don't know a single women in usa that would ever do such a thing!

its no wonder taking a 'dripping' cock into their mouths and even swallowing the load is no big deal!

gotts ta luv the russian cuisine![/quote]

Well good God Almighty, and bless my ever lovin' motherfuckin' soul!!

At least you've managed to shift the bloody conversation from economics to dicksuckology. Small miracles, yeah baby!

But when it comes down to balls across the nose and the minyet minuet knob-gobbling hereditary gene that gives the ruski females the genetic superiority over FWC's, is something worth debating (mastur, that is) here, much more so than how many kopeks you can balance on your girlfriend's forehead while she's getting busy taking dictation.

Basically it comes down to attitudes and intelligence. That is, the dyevuchkas may not all be fucking rocket scientists, and from what they learn in school or even less, care about getting a solid education to better themselves to be independent citizens, they've really shown how much the gap has widened between east and west, such that they've moved ahead at a quantum leap, thanks to not much more than some porno dvd's.

Psychologically speaking, they've mastered their domain in the hierarchy of human sexuality, and have left their western counterparts far far behind in the dust.

From simply getting it, after watching a few porno's, they've quickly discovered that having a talented tongue will get them a lot more influence and participation, so they practice to become proficient fellatists, knowing all the while that western women are doing the same thing, but in complete reverse. That is, for the most part, not to omit the exceptions to the rule, as yankee babes choose to withhold rather than offer and provide their skills and talents of giving oral pleasure.

From when ever females in the west begin hornblowing, regardless of their age, factoring in the laws of averages, from that point, its all downhill because they think that by giving less, they will have either more control or more appreciation, for what little stingy quantities and lackluster performances, or even shamefully worse, deliberately making us feel like we want them doing something they find unpleasant! The nerve of them!!

But that's the basis of the topsy turvy polar opposite thinking when it comes to understanding the mindset of FWC's. As I've said myself more than once, I usually am fortunate to meet a generous share of girl-next-door types that really suck a dick with pure joy and breathtaking mastery, while simultaneously never getting tired or impatient.

Yes, yes, there are certianly exceptions to my generalizations, I can remember the first trailer trash girl I hooked up with that was able to breathe AND deep throat my hog without the least bit of effort or difficulty, she just jammed her jawbone down into her chest and expanded her throat, almost like the way some snakes disjoint their heads backwards in order to swallow huge rats that are 10 times bigger than their mouth, she had that kind of skill and ease and I instantly made her my new girlfriend. But like all the yankees tarts, she got too greedy, after a while.

And that's what I mean about FWC's, they all think that we owe them more than they have, or get, or make, or find, or whatever. Because the fact is, we don't owe them squat, its them, its they that owe us! And they really don't deserve much anyway for all the complaining that we have to endure.

Somebody else brought up their complaining, oh jesus creeping in the bin!

But the last point I'll make here, is that I must stand up against the voting for President LoofaStabber LaughSoaker LogSucker LeafSlayer.

You can say what ya want about the ugliness of girls of the west, and extoll with glee the fiery hotness of dyevochkas, ....BUT!

Yes, but...... just think now, all those babushkas you see, they were hot too ya know, when they were 19, but,.......somehow, they ended up the babushkas and unless your ALWAYS gonna dump them, the one you decide is the one that is just SO hot that you're gonna keep her and knock her up and progenize your seed, just know that she's headed for babushka time, boy!! Just know that, yeah? Ok, Jose'??

Just know that!

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Well good God Almighty, and bless my ever lovin' motherfuckin' soul!!

At least you've managed to shift the bloody conversation from economics to dicksuckology. Small miracles, yeah baby!

But when it comes down to balls across the nose and the minyet minuet knob-gobbling hereditary gene that gives the ruski females the genetic superiority over FWC's, is something worth debating (mastur, that is) here, much more so than how many kopeks you can balance on your girlfriend's forehead while she's getting busy taking dictation.

Basically it comes down to attitudes and intelligence. That is, the dyevuchkas may not all be fucking rocket scientists, and from what they learn in school or even less, care about getting a solid education to better themselves to be independent citizens, they've really shown how much the gap has widened between east and west, such that they've moved ahead at a quantum leap, thanks to not much more than some porno dvd's.

Psychologically speaking, they've mastered their domain in the hierarchy of human sexuality, and have left their western counterparts far far behind in the dust.

From simply getting it, after watching a few porno's, they've quickly discovered that having a talented tongue will get them a lot more influence and participation, so they practice to become proficient fellatists, knowing all the while that western women are doing the same thing, but in complete reverse. That is, for the most part, not to omit the exceptions to the rule, as yankee babes choose to withhold rather than offer and provide their skills and talents of giving oral pleasure.

From when ever females in the west begin hornblowing, regardless of their age, factoring in the laws of averages, from that point, its all downhill because they think that by giving less, they will have either more control or more appreciation, for what little stingy quantities and lackluster performances, or even shamefully worse, deliberately making us feel like we want them doing something they find unpleasant! The nerve of them!!

But that's the basis of the topsy turvy polar opposite thinking when it comes to understanding the mindset of FWC's. As I've said myself more than once, I usually am fortunate to meet a generous share of girl-next-door types that really suck a dick with pure joy and breathtaking mastery, while simultaneously never getting tired or impatient.

Yes, yes, there are certianly exceptions to my generalizations, I can remember the first trailer trash girl I hooked up with that was able to breathe AND deep throat my hog without the least bit of effort or difficulty, she just jammed her jawbone down into her chest and expanded her throat, almost like the way some snakes disjoint their heads backwards in order to swallow huge rats that are 10 times bigger than their mouth, she had that kind of skill and ease and I instantly made her my new girlfriend. But like all the yankees tarts, she got too greedy, after a while.

And that's what I mean about FWC's, they all think that we owe them more than they have, or get, or make, or find, or whatever. Because the fact is, we don't owe them squat, its them, its they that owe us! And they really don't deserve much anyway for all the complaining that we have to endure.

Somebody else brought up their complaining, oh jesus creeping in the bin!

But the last point I'll make here, is that I must stand up against the voting for President LoofaStabber LaughSoaker LogSucker LeafSlayer.

You can say what ya want about the ugliness of girls of the west, and extoll with glee the fiery hotness of dyevochkas, ....BUT!

Yes, but...... just think now, all those babushkas you see, they were hot too ya know, when they were 19, but,.......somehow, they ended up the babushkas and unless your ALWAYS gonna dump them, the one you decide is the one that is just SO hot that you're gonna keep her and knock her up and progenize your seed, just know that she's headed for babushka time, boy!! Just know that, yeah? Ok, Jose'??

Just know that![/QUOTE]

Great post. Mexican women are similarly uninhibited sexually and when you get the star treatment from a woman who, not only knows how, but actually desires to give great service, then you feel fulfilled. Your post summed up several issues very nicely.

Country John

[QUOTE=Country John]Great post. Mexican women are similarly uninhibited sexually and when you get the star treatment from a woman who, not only knows how, but actually desires to give great service, then you feel fulfilled. Your post summed up several issues very nicely.

Country John[/QUOTE]

Country John

Mongers may get the wrong impression by your post.

Spent a fair amount of time in Tijuana, off and on for 30 years or so and have been fortunate to spend time in Russia as well.

IMHO it’s a night and day experience, Mexico has the predominantly Catholic Chica’s? attitudes with dark skin and overweight.

Russia has a whole nother breed of female, slim, absolute sex machines and they it take pride in service provided. Simply put they are bred for sex.

Service in Tj is not on the same level. Fair amount of rip off artists, and whole lot of fat after the clothes come off. Skill wise, the percentage that takes pride in service is low.

Mostly I think they deal in volume.

Add in the police problems along with the new waves of TJ kidnappings “foreigner’s.

Why bother?

The percentages of top notch experiences I can count on my 2 hands for 30 years in TJ mongering might be 10%????????

Russia on the other hand scores much much higher.

Night vs day IMHO , RU slim petite and horny and the RU women that trained from birth to provide the best they can.

Been reading your posts for several years. No doubt you do well in TJ with a whole lot of experience.

It’s a big world.

A suggestion, take advantage of low airfares, the rising dollar and the RU hunger for real currency. Might open a whole new addiction.

I wager that like me after the first RU trip, Mexico would be unacceptable.

Or not, also a new set of challenges.

Only one way to tell

Take the pussy challenge. Well worth the trip.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Guido88]

**** Mongers get the wrong impression of Tijuana, dark skin and overweight, rip off artists, and kidnappings.

[/QUOTE]

But,.............there is a BIG difference between the skanky Chicano pros you found in TJ brothels, and just everyday young college girls. In a way, its really about the general population between age 18 and let's say 21.

Its well known a solid majority of normal young females there, the kind that we disgusting pervertos Mongerinos will NEVER get our filthy hands on, may be a little dark, but no less slender and cute. You ever been in the universities in Mexico City? They got pleanty of that sweet gushy stuff!

And of course, your point, that there are extremely few fat chicks in russia is very true, whereas in TJ, you may find as many as 40 to 55% big round rice and bean butts---, really does make the whole point of Country Jonny's
post pointless and even less worth reading.

Well, except for the part, that Bez is some sort of dashing lord of mighty cocksmanship. That, as we all know, is undeniably ironic, considering that I have three nipples and one testicle.

Further evidence to suport:

I've been on Mamba recently as I prepare for my next trip. I see many references to girls looking for a sponsor (and indeed have read the term here many times).

Of course I understand the the basic principle.

But how exactly does this work? Does it mean you have to be a fulltime sugar daddy, paying rent for the girl, etc? Can you be a short-term sponsor, or would that be offensive to the girl?

Anyone know what are the going rates?

I've tried searching and googling and can't seem to find any factual information on the custom in Russia, and how it works.

Thx in advance

[QUOTE=Fijiman]I've been on Mamba recently as I prepare for my next trip. I see many references to girls looking for a sponsor (and indeed have read the term here many times).

Of course I understand the the basic principle.

But how exactly does this work? Does it mean you have to be a fulltime sugar daddy, paying rent for the girl, etc? Can you be a short-term sponsor, or would that be offensive to the girl?

Anyone know what are the going rates?

I've tried searching and googling and can't seem to find any factual information on the custom in Russia, and how it works.

Thx in advance[/QUOTE]You can find more detailed info on this if you RTFF, but to answer your question:

* sponsorship means paying either a monthly sum or short-term sum for companionship usually including sex. Everything is subject to negotiation.... price, services, frequency. Most girls are looking for something long-term or medium-term and many will reject the idea of short-term sponsorship or single meetings. Payment is usually monthly, but again is a matter of negotiation and circumstance. There is no contract. Additionally, some sponsored girls do not have sex with their sponsors and/or aren't required. Make sure your intents are clear and clarify exactly what you expect. A lot of girls are looking for men who can introduce them to "good circles" and help them with their careers, even if that career is just being a pampered concubine.

* sponsorship girls don't consider themselves prostitutes, although essentially they are. Nonetheless, there is the important difference that they are often "normal" girls looking to earn money on the side or to fund their lifestyles or looking for a real partner and moreover, many pride themselves on turning down potential sponsors if they aren't good enough, good-looking or most importantly, don't fork out enough cash. They are choosier than normal prostitutes, this is fact.

* there is a wide variety of types of girls looking for sponsorship, from "professionals" who go from one sponsor to the next as career mistresses to students looking for extra money to out of work girls desperate to make the ends meet to single moms needing to buy baby milk to girls just experimenting with the idea or trying to get enough cash together for holidays. Additionally as stated above, many girls are just looking to meet the right people to start their ladder-climbing careers or looking for legitimate connections in real careers.

* many, probably even most, of the girls only speak Russian or only will date Russian men.

* one or two "interviews", usually a meeting in a cafe, are often required before an arrangement is agreed upon. The girls have both security and image concerns, meaning they want to know with whom they are being set up with. This varies from girl to girl however.

* short-term sponsorship is possible with some and a matter of negotiation, however it is more the exception than the rule and is usually fairly expensive. Normal prostitutes are often cheaper. There are no set prices, but from what I can deduce it seems that the price for a monthly arrangement varies greatly and runs from $2000-$20,000, with average price for a good girl in "7" category about $4000. A single meeting if she agrees is usually about $500, but varies. Pricing may be in rubles, dollars or euro. Girls in the 9 or 10 category, if they are on the market or mamba at all, demand (and receive) very high prices. Additionally, in some arrangements, sponsorship includes fringe benefits such as paid holidays, shopping allowances, cars, apartments etc. Top girls are expensive.

* as the girls don't consider themselves prostitutes per se and as they can afford to be selective, it is not a good idea to start communication with "how much?". A little bit of faux romance at the beginning is important to get communication started. Again, do not be surprised if it is difficult to find willing candidates and do not be insulted if the girls don't answer you at all. They have a pretty good nose for selecting those men they will benefit most from and they have gotten used to Russian (or Georgian/Armenian) men being MUCH more generous than cheap Westerners.

That said, the economic crisis in 2009 may change the rules of the game a bit and personally I feel that prices will come down as supply of girls exceeds demand from locals willing to spend their decreasing fortunes on girls. Additionally more girls will be willing to accept single meetings as opposed to insisting on monthly arrangements, as they will have no choice.

You should also read this report for inspiration. It suggests that opportunities are opening for us.


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I have collected a lot of phone numbers, for incall meetings, by mamba sites and by moscow prostitutes' sites. I wonder why it is not good to go in a prostitute's flat if most customers' meetings are there?

How come?

In my profile I list I am ready to become a sponsor.

I see a girl lists she wants ONE!

I say "Lets meet in cafe"

She says - $100 !!

Many Times this happens. So? Are Kyiv girls different?

[QUOTE=LifeSavour]In my profile I list I am ready to become a sponsor[/QUOTE]

LS I thought you were looking for some nice mama to sponsor YOU? :)

what your annual girl chasing budget actually is? I would include all flights, accommodation, restaurant/drinks bills, presents for WGs/sponsorees etc. less any costs that are genuine business expenses.

I'd estimate Skank's is somewhere in the $50K range - am I in the ballpark?

[QUOTE=Ash1001]what your annual girl chasing budget actually is? I would include all flights, accommodation, restaurant/drinks bills, presents for WGs/sponsorees etc. less any costs that are genuine business expenses.

I'd estimate Skank's is somewhere in the $50K range - am I in the ballpark?[/QUOTE]


Not too concerned about anyone's budgets/spending, however after reading Dr. S's encounter with the SexySecretary, there is no doubt that the Boy has game, make that very, very serious game. Exceptional.

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[QUOTE=LifeSavour]How come?

In my profile I list I am ready to become a sponsor.

I see a girl lists she wants ONE!

I say "Lets meet in cafe"

She says - $100 !!

Many Times this happens. So? Are Kyiv girls different?[/QUOTE]$100 just to meet with nothing else?! Or $100 for something slurpy?

[QUOTE=Ash1001]what your annual girl chasing budget actually is? I would include all flights, accommodation, restaurant/drinks bills, presents for WGs/sponsorees etc. less any costs that are genuine business expenses.

I'd estimate Skank's is somewhere in the $50K range - am I in the ballpark?[/QUOTE]I honestly don't want to know. It'd be hard to calculate, as believe it or not when I am in Russia I am usually working and not girl-chasing. $50K is way too high though.

But yeah, anyway you cut it girls are an expensive hobby, both in money and time spent... not to mention nerves!

Hi guys!

Happy people who travel for work and, by this way, they can get more opportunities to monger. But it is not the same for most of us and to hunt relationships (not only sex! ) is a huge bleeding (money is the blood of our work).

Therefore I often repeat and I am severe about money and respect: a woman deserves money only if she has respect of us, otherewise she is the worst evil in the world.

Most of us are gentlemen, and we would like to make women happy (cock, money, easy life) but women think happiness in just one way: money, money, money (in spite of global recession, too)!

What can we do to keep down women's greed? We must act by two ways:

- as an individual, we must follow the first rule: pussy doesn't rule, money rules, what is the market price for an hour of real sex (swallow blowjob AND pussy AND ass)? 2500-3500 rubles/first hour. More hours and more girls mean discounted prices. There are no exceptions and higher prices don't mean better service. A lot of people here can witness about this.

- as a community, we are a community, I hope few people are here just for narcissism, this forum is information, and information is power, our power. When we, all together, act at the same way, with the same behaviours and with the same prices, we get more market power with less effort. Who knows the meaning of "companies' trust"? I wonder why there are "prostitutes' trust" (agencies, salons, etc.) and not "mongers' trust"?