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[QUOTE=Smoothy;2039525]I'm not sure of the originator. A Thai girl told me that one 10 years ago when I asked her why they preferred Japanese. My bet is that it is now 335 rather than 333.[/QUOTE]A Thai girl made it up to save face for the deflating western guy as she turned him down. Other girls have seen how well it has worked and have been using the story since. The 333 story has passed on to other Asian countries now.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2039568]A Thai girl made it up to save face for the deflating western guy as she turned him down. Other girls have seen how well it has worked and have been using the story since. The 333 story has passed on to other Asian countries now.[/QUOTE]I don't know about that. This particular Thai girl went to my hotel many times for 1500 baht at the time. She was a true GFE. I personally think she was telling it like it is.
In Indonesia, the girls say the same. They don't say 333, but they say the Japanese guys are less demanding in bed and are relatively quick, less well endowed in general, and pay more. There is a massage place I like to visit in Jakarta and if there are white guys who walk in the door, the girls just sit around on their couches and the guys have to approach them to ask for a massage. The girls are glad to give the white guys massages, but they aren't aggressively approaching the white guys. However, if a Japanese guy walks in, the girls all jump up and gather around the guy as if he's a rock star. And it's not just one particular Japanese guy, it's all of them. The Japanese guys normally pick a girl within a few seconds, take her to the back room and are done and walking out within 15 minutes. The white guys come in, have a beer or two while waiting to select a girl (this is why the girls don't approach the white guys, they don't want to sit there with him while he drinks his beer when they could possibly be going to the back room during that time with a different customer), then when they go back to the room with the girl they take the full hour.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2039575]I don't know about that. This particular Thai girl went to my hotel many times for 1500 baht at the time. She was a true GFE. I personally think she was telling it like it is.
In Indonesia, the girls say the same. They don't say 333, but they say the Japanese guys are less demanding in bed and are relatively quick, less well endowed in general, and pay more. There is a massage place I like to visit in Jakarta and if there are white guys who walk in the door, the girls just sit around on their couches and the guys have to approach them to ask for a massage. The girls are glad to give the white guys massages, but they aren't aggressively approaching the white guys. However, if a Japanese guy walks in, the girls all jump up and gather around the guy as if he's a rock star. And it's not just one particular Japanese guy, it's all of them. The Japanese guys normally pick a girl within a few seconds, take her to the back room and are done and walking out within 15 minutes. The white guys come in, have a beer or two while waiting to select a girl (this is why the girls don't approach the white guys, they don't want to sit there with him while he drinks his beer when they could possibly be going to the back room during that time with a different customer), then when they go back to the room with the girl they take the full hour.[/QUOTE]It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2039579]It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.[/QUOTE]I think at least 1 hour (or more) is a more accurate comparison for the white guys rather than 6 minutes. White guys like to hang out with the girls. It seems Japanese are more likely to get in a quick shag and be on their way.
Here's a funny story from when I stayed at the Dynasty Grande a while ago. A very tall Dutch guy had bar fined a girl (I am not sure from where). He was staying in the room next to me and I could clearly hear their argument through the wall. When he dropped his pants, the girl complained saying that his dick was too big and she would not have sex with him. The guy was furious. However, he was not able to convince her to have sex with him. He told her that he had paid her bar fine and paid for her to go to the movies with him. She said she would give him back his money for the movies. After more arguing, the guy finally relented, the girl gave him back his money for the movies and she left.
There are disadvantages to being well hung when it comes to paying for sex.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2039579]It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.[/QUOTE]Yeh, the version I heard was called 3, 4, 5, I think. 3 inches, 4 minutes, and 5 K. LOL That was exaggerating a little too much. Maybe it should have been 5, 4, 3, to be more realistic.
60 minutes is my absolute minimum. I normally take 90 mins with my regular girls, occasionally more. Alas in that time, I typically manage only one shot. I am a little jealous of extra sensitive guys who can do several shots, and get more value for their money, however I do get plenty of actual fucking time, and plenty of BBBJ time, and plenty of DATY time. So perhaps I am getting value compared to a 6 minutes shooter.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2039575]I don't know about that. This particular Thai girl went to my hotel many times for 1500 baht at the time. She was a true GFE. I personally think she was telling it like it is.
In Indonesia, the girls say the same. They don't say 333, but they say the Japanese guys are less demanding in bed and are relatively quick, less well endowed in general, and pay more. There is a massage place I like to visit in Jakarta and if there are white guys who walk in the door, the girls just sit around on their couches and the guys have to approach them to ask for a massage. The girls are glad to give the white guys massages, but they aren't aggressively approaching the white guys. However, if a Japanese guy walks in, the girls all jump up and gather around the guy as if he's a rock star. And it's not just one particular Japanese guy, it's all of them. The Japanese guys normally pick a girl within a few seconds, take her to the back room and are done and walking out within 15 minutes. The white guys come in, have a beer or two while waiting to select a girl (this is why the girls don't approach the white guys, they don't want to sit there with him while he drinks his beer when they could possibly be going to the back room during that time with a different customer), then when they go back to the room with the girl they take the full hour.[/QUOTE]While this may be the situation in this particular instance, I think the majority of Asian customers including Thai will sit and drink for a very long time, often more than farangs. They prefer the socialization aspect of the service. They also like to take the girl out of the bar and to a Karaoke establishment or out to a restaurant / bar. The whole quick-shooting Asian stereotype comes down to a couple of factors. 1) Asians tend to not be into masturbation as much as farangs so they often pre-maturely ejaculate at the beginning of their trips but then again so do a lot of farangs. I often find it fascinating when farangs tell me that they jerk off before going to a bar to meet a girl just so the sex can be longer.
2) Asians are also not as demanding in the sense that they do not see the need to prolong the act just to satisfy some notion that the best service only happens when you get more than you pay for. Asians are totally fine and even prefer the lady to just do her thing and if she is skilled there are very few guys, farang or Asian, who won't cum fairly quickly. I often hear bargirls complain about this when they talk about farang customers. They say that the guys want to pay 20 year old prices and the try and force a lot of acts like DATY and making out for 20-30 minutes and then they want to just pound away for 30 minutes often stopping so they don't cum. Or, they end up cumming early just so they can try and sneak in a 2nd pop before the session is over.
Having a discussion with a bar (not a gogo) waitress I have known long time last night. She is not available for P4 P. Strangely she was moving to very sexual topics, especially at first Japanese sex expressions like the girl has to scream "ee-tai ee-tai" means "oh (that dick) hurts so much". LOL I forget the Japanese one now for "I am coming". After a glass of wine, she became very open and started discussing her sex problems. Her French sex partner apparently comes after 10 minutes or starts to go limp when she rides him Cowgirl, so she regularly fails to get her cum. Yet she does not want to change to a new guy that performs better.
So I had to advise her, that men are often ignorant and need training. She needs to teach him how to pleasure her, especially DATY I think before he gets his dick in. Also I thought she needs to dose him up on Viagra so his dick will stay hard for long enough to reach her orgasm in cowgirl or whatever. Not easy for me, a very slow to cum guy, to give advice for handling guys who last only 10 minutes. I think she needs him to perform for at least 30 minutes. I think the Viagra should work. He might need alcohol to dampen his sensation level so he does not cum too quick, maybe. Not sure if alcohol would help or worsen the situation.
She knows I am mongering with bargirls, and strangely that made her think that my Mrs, must be an old fat over the hill woman, which is far from the case. She was very surprised to see pics of my Mrs were not at all like what she was expecting. She had to be puzzled. Why am I mongering when have a hot wife? Lack of quantity is actually the main problem. Variety is less of an issue.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2039640]Having a discussion with a bar (not a gogo) waitress I have known long time last night. She is not available for P4 P. Strangely she was moving to very sexual topics, especially at first Japanese sex expressions like the girl has to scream "ee-tai ee-tai" means "oh (that dick) hurts so much".
[/QUOTE]It actually is more close in meaning to when a Western woman says 'oh my god' during sex. Its more of a signified of excess pleasure as apposed to excruciating pain.
I went through a Japanese phase so I would hang out in cafes around Thong lor and Ekamai during the day. A lot of Japanese women frequent these places and are quite friendly / bored / lonely. Most are either expats or wives / GFs of expats so they have some English communication skills. When I've had the opportunity to hook up with them they would often make these sounds and it had nothing to do with my size because they also make the noise when they are being pleasured orally.
Actually a lot of the Asian customers actually do want to take the girl out for a date as they are lonely. I think less about race, it's more like this: Guys in groups will fuck a girl ST and then regroup with their bros. Why hangout with a prostitute, especially one who can't even speak your language, when have company that is far more fun to be with. Japanese guys often do P4 P in groups of about 4. 4 means 4 x the amount of income to go around between the girls some money out of approaching this group, so much more of a chance that they will get money instead of fighting over a single lone guy who walks in. Also Japanese guys have to preserve / gain face so spending money and not-appearing below a working girl (haggling with her) is important in presence of their peers.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2039640]She knows I am mongering with bargirls, and strangely that made her think that my Mrs, must be an old fat over the hill woman, which is far from the case. She was very surprised to see pics of my Mrs were not at all like what she was expecting. She had to be puzzled. Why am I mongering when have a hot wife? Lack of quantity is actually the main problem. Variety is less of an issue.[/QUOTE]Its more than likely something else. Its pretty much common knowledge that men in general are horn dogs and will want something different / new and there are not too many women out there that understand this more than Thai women. I think her assumption has more to do with you being an older farang (assumption based off of your posting) who has a Thai wife. Its a fairly rare occurrence to see an older farang with an attractive Thai partner especially from a Thai spec point of view.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2038974]Yep. And this has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years.
Girls prefer Japanese because of the 333 rule with Japanese men. 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht.
Who can blame them?[/QUOTE]I heard that they spend 3 times as much, have 3 inches, and finish in 3 minutes. Either way. They seem to be the prize customers for these girls.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2039664]Actually a lot of the Asian customers actually do want to take the girl out for a date as they are lonely. I think less about race.
Guys in groups will fuck a girl ST and then regroup with their bros. Why hangout with a prostitute, especially one who can't even speak your language, when have company that is far more fun to be with. Japanese guys often do P4 P in groups of about 4. 4 means 4 x the amount of income to go around between the girls some money out of approaching this group, so much more of a chance that they will get money instead of fighting over a single lone guy who walks in. Also Japanese guys have to preserve / gain face so spending money and not-appearing below a working girl (haggling with her) is important in presence of their peers. [/QUOTE]It's not race because it's not all "Asian" customers. It's Japanese only. You won't get the same response from the girls regarding Chinese customers. I do agree with the rest and that it's a cultural thing. Japanese guys seem to have no qualms about paying more than market price.
I remember the first time I went to Bangkok and found out that many establishments allow "Japanese Only". I was disappointed in that because I saw some very nice honeys going into those places. You don't find a place that is "white guys only" or any other race or nationality for that matter. Just Japanese only places. If I were Thai, I'd want a Japanese only place as well. They spend the most money.
[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2039724]Its more than likely something else. Its pretty much common knowledge that men in general are horn dogs and will want something different / new and there are not too many women out there that understand this more than Thai women. I think her assumption has more to do with you being an older farang (assumption based off of your posting) who has a Thai wife. Its a fairly rare occurrence to see an older farang with an attractive Thai partner especially from a Thai spec point of view.[/QUOTE]Yes I am about 23 years older than the missus. Not too decrepit for my age and far less gut than most Farangs I see at the pub. Divide (age) by 2 and add 7 rule works out about right for me. Maybe in 10 years, she will be too old. LOL I assumed her skin was too dark (mid tone) for Thais to really think she is hot, but nice curves.
I am not needing something new all time. So perhaps not the average horndog. I can get bored with girls, but it is usually only when their service or attitude declines, or they just stop giving a fuck often enough. Not just because I want a different one. I really prefer very reliable girls with stamina who like extended sex. Unfortunately my Mrs is very nice but very sensitive and only moderate stamina. A sign of weakness. She probably needs to work out in a Gym.
[QUOTE=EatALotOpus;2039781]Franciscass,
We're in the same boat. There's something un-natural for me to see an Asian with a nose job. Instant turn off. However there's also other choices I. E keep searching, do a fugly or the old standby of the twin sisters. Palmela and Fistina. Keep it up![/QUOTE]I like your handle. Sort of Rhymes with Octopus I guess. I really try to give up wanking, as it is not good for normal sex performance at all. Just adds to difficulties to cum.
I can't do fuglies, so fortunately there are still some natural noses around, even the odd fake but good one. I only have one regular girl with a nose job, so I think that is an indicator of how rare the really good jobs actually are in the P4 P community. Even some stars of TV Soapy dramas have bad sill looking nose jobs for me.
The big mystery is why Thais are conditioned to think a higher nose ridge is more beautiful. I just have not been able to fathom that at all. Some girls are really overdoing the surgeries, and have had face adjusted several times. I really can't get turned on by girls starting to look like ladyboys or like aliens, especially prevalent in Bacarra but also starting to show up in Crazy House and many bars. Soapies are full of them unfortunately.
My recent trip to Cambodia found a bar with 20 girls, and not one had a nose job. I guess they just can't afford it over there. Only 1 or 2 the 20 actually looked very attractive to me, so natural nose is definitely not the complete answer. It maybe a case of what type of girl looks you get used to.
Because I arrived in Thailand 25 years ago, and at that time knew only Thai girls without nose jobs, I think I got used to a certain type of look for Thai girls, and has been hard for me to adapt.
I am not going to complain if a girl has a really good nose job, however I will still certainly suspect it, rather than be blissfully unaware. I find myself not going back to Can Cam massage in a hurry though, so although my last girl there was attractive and good service, she had a very good nose job (made me unsure if was real or not), and not quite so realistic tit job. A little too convex on the top. If all natural, I am sure I would have been back for her by now.
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My recent trip to Cambodia found a bar with 20 girls, and not one had a nose job. [/QUOTE]As much as you complain about nose jobs, why stay in Thailand? Thailand is the only country in Southeast Asia with an abundance of nose jobs.