Cartagena Reports

[QUOTE=PeeBee;2350536]I January I was staying in the Morros City apartment I rented with AirBnB. We were 2 registered guests and the building rules are that no visitors are allowed if they are not registered guests. I have friends in Cartagena and they were not allowed access to my condo during the day or night. I could not invite them for supper so forget trying to sneak someone for an overnight.[/QUOTE]I have been in similar situations.

One thing you can do is contact who you rented from and give them the names and details of the people you want to let visit.

They can call the building and add those people to the rental. I have done this several times.

I'm doing my research for a trip to Colombia in 6 weeks. I have asked this question on other sites with no response. Does anyone know of a place anywhere in Colombia that has lesbian sex on the stage? This was offered all over Europe years ago. It may still, I haven't been to western Europe in 12-14 years. Too expensive. Amsterdam may still has this kind on show but anyway I'm looking for it in this part of the world.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2351622]I'm doing my research for a trip to Colombia in 6 weeks. I have asked this question on other sites with no response. Does anyone know of a place anywhere in Colombia that has lesbian sex on the stage? This was offered all over Europe years ago. It may still, I haven't been to western Europe in 12-14 years. Too expensive. Amsterdam may still has this kind on show but anyway I'm looking for it in this part of the world.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Chicas will do a "lesbian show" but I have never seen it done at a strip club. Its usually done in private. You could try places like Pley Club but its outside of the tourist areas.

Keep in mind that Colombia has a fairly conservative society despite the prostitution and drugs.

Today I finished my research for my first trip to CTG. Reviewing the last 20 pages of this site all of my questions have been answered. Normally for a city on my first visit I study the last 50 pages. This time I only looked at the last 20 and it worked out. I will tell my bank I'm on my way to Colombia so they don't freeze up my account. This has happened to me several times. Mostly my fault. That's why I carry more cash than I should. Once I had a prob in Ukraine. I was in Odessa my credit card was frozen and I was 1100 miles from the airport for my return flight. Its a good story check the Ukraine site.

As I said this is my first trip to CTG so I'm only staying for four days. In those days I hope to get a understanding of where to stay and where to look for chicas.

Hotrod 10.

Clock tower was SUPER dead when I was in town 2 weeks ago. And I mean that in a good way. There aren't much guys in town and you could pick choose and refuse. Average price was down to 50 dollars, and yes, you could negotiate that down because work was so slow. I also found an apartment, with no front desk after 7, so all you can eat buffet from 7 pm onwards. I took 2 friends down with me and after showing them the ropes, they were able to fend for themselves, including 2 3 some at 80 in total. I encourage anyone going down now to be careful though. The Venezuelans have really took over the place and the men and street kids are very aggressive in begging and touching you as they beg. So watch your wallets. I also encourage you, since it is slow, to not be too hard on the negotiations. The girls do this for work and need to eat!

I am working on a membership, and senior members, I will share the apartment info. It is literally by the Clocktower!

I also have numbers to share if you want to hit the ground running hard.

[QUOTE=Johnson1;2353073]Clock tower was SUPER dead when I was in town 2 weeks ago. And I mean that in a good way. There aren't much guys in town and you could pick choose and refuse. Average price was down to 50 dollars, and yes, you could negotiate that down because work was so slow. I also found an apartment, with no front desk after 7, so all you can eat buffet from 7 pm onwards. I took 2 friends down with me and after showing them the ropes, they were able to fend for themselves, including 2 3 some at 80 in total. I encourage anyone going down now to be careful though. The Venezuelans have really took over the place and the men and street kids are very aggressive in begging and touching you as they beg. So watch your wallets. I also encourage you, since it is slow, to not be too hard on the negotiations. The girls do this for work and need to eat!

I am working on a membership, and senior members, I will share the apartment info. It is literally by the Clocktower!

I also have numbers to share if you want to hit the ground running hard.[/QUOTE]Can you OK me some info? Tonight is my last night here.

Yes that is a stupid heading for a post but I could not think of any better term for the question that I am about to ask. I have been to Cartagena a few times. I always stayed in an apartment in El Laguito because it simplified things, in those days LDV (La Dolce Vita) was at the little shopping center place in El Laguito and walking distance to my apartment. I most frequently got chicas out of there and sometimes Elektra. I never had any luck at Playa Hollywood, but also avoided Tony like the plague. Now it seems to me that the dynamic there has changed. I did use a short time hotel once but did not like it, I always want to take the chica to my place. So I have been watching some of the videos on YouTube shot in Plaza de LOS Coches (Clock Tower) around the clock tower and they show all these women there. This was not the case I my visits "back in the day". I don't know when all the Venezuelans showed up there, but is this why the Plaza de LOS Coches is now? I can count how many streetwalkers I saw in that area on one hand most of the time (I did pull a Chica off the benches across from where Tu Candelas was at the time but she was a 6 in the face a 9 in the body).

In the YouTube videos of women in Plaza de LOS Coches (Clock Tower) where you can see the girls clearly, my guess is that 1 out of 10 are beautiful. When I used to go in LDV I would say the ratio was much better than this for beauties. So is this still true if you go into Dolce Vita? Is the quality better there and in Space than what you see in Plaza de LOS Coches?

I have read that most of the women are Venezuelans, and it makes sense that these are migrants driven out of Venezuela by the crappy economy and as I'm sure most people know it is basically a failed state. I would have also thought that this would have driven prices down but since I read that prices are the same as the first time I ever visited maybe it is what is keeping prices from rising. Cartagena has had a lot of good press as a must-see tourism spot. Forbes Magazine called the Getsemani neighborhood one of the Ten Coolest Neighborhoods in the world. I can see on Google Street View that there are much more buildings that have been renovated and painted up to look nice than when I visited, and there seems to be many many more people from the SA visiting than when I was there (I hardly ever saw an American). So with an increase in visitors, the law of economics would say that prices should have risen, but they remain the same (Yes you could argue that not every tourist is a monger, but I would argue that many tourist will turn monger when they see those gorgeous chicas, and there are many more conventions there now so that's when boys will be boys).

I am heading back down there in either late September or October, and I am not sure I will go anywhere to search for chicas other than the clock tower area. I am curious about the new Dolce Vita and I amy check it out, but I don't drink and I don't see the need to meet there drink minimums if I don't have to. If I have to I usually just buy drinks for chicas I am interested in or just in general to try to get the chicas loosened up a little.

Ny thoughts, comments, or suggestions related to about this ranting are appreciated.

So I read a little while ago that some of these Venezuelan chicas do not have Cedula, How many people have ran into this issue?

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2355019]Yes that is a stupid heading for a post but I could not think of any better term for the question that I am about to ask. I have been to Cartagena a few times. I always stayed in an apartment in El Laguito because it simplified things, in those days LDV (La Dolce Vita) was at the little shopping center place in El Laguito and walking distance to my apartment. I most frequently got chicas out of there and sometimes Elektra. I never had any luck at Playa Hollywood, but also avoided Tony like the plague. Now it seems to me that the dynamic there has changed. I did use a short time hotel once but did not like it, I always want to take the chica to my place. So I have been watching some of the videos on YouTube shot in Plaza de LOS Coches (Clock Tower) around the clock tower and they show all these women there. This was not the case I my visits "back in the day". I don't know when all the Venezuelans showed up there, but is this why the Plaza de LOS Coches is now? I can count how many streetwalkers I saw in that area on one hand most of the time (I did pull a Chica off the benches across from where Tu Candelas was at the time but she was a 6 in the face a 9 in the body)..[/QUOTE]LDV did not have a drink minimum when I went in June and they sell Gatorade and non alcoholic drinks as well.

[QUOTE=SflMan;2355176]LDV did not have a drink minimum when I went in June and they sell Gatorade and non alcoholic drinks as well.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind the scene changes frequently in Cartagena. Last year with Elektra open you can go to either LDV or Elektra and it was laid back. On my last trip LDV was a shit show. You had to stand unless you ordered bottle service and the place would be packed with so many dudes you could barely breath. I mostly fucked out of my own stable but did pick up a couple of new chicas.

I don't feel Cartagena is a discount destination. Even with the great exchange rate and low prices on most apartments (in Bocagrande and Laguito) you still are competing with other tourists. Many of those tourists tend to stay in the old city, or in a hotel and just throw their money around. Almost every time on the plane the person sitting next to me asks if they "accept dollars" in Cartagena. You can't fix stupid so prices will go up, and the locals will try to squeeze you with shit like minimums.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2355261]Keep in mind the scene changes frequently in Cartagena. Last year with Elektra open you can go to either LDV or Elektra and it was laid back. On my last trip LDV was a shit show. You had to stand unless you ordered bottle service and the place would be packed with so many dudes you could barely breath. I mostly fucked out of my own stable but did pick up a couple of new chicas.

I don't feel Cartagena is a discount destination. Even with the great exchange rate and low prices on most apartments (in Bocagrande and Laguito) you still are competing with other tourists. Many of those tourists tend to stay in the old city, or in a hotel and just throw their money around. Almost every time on the plane the person sitting next to me asks if they "accept dollars" in Cartagena. You can't fix stupid so prices will go up, and the locals will try to squeeze you with shit like minimums.[/QUOTE]I keep telling friends never ever pay in dollars and use debit cards. I learned a lot from your posts over the past few years. I scored one nice girl from LDV last trip otherwise wasn't impressed at all with the ratio of girls to guys and at most the girls were 6-7. I miss Electra!

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2355033]So I read a little while ago that some of these Venezuelan chicas do not have Cedula, How many people have ran into this issue?[/QUOTE]What I have been told is that the issue is not if they have a cedula, it's that if they are not Colombian they must have a passport.

The problem is that their passports do not have stamps due to them crossing the border illegally or they over staying the visa.

I think the government is putting pressure on lodging not to accept Venezuelan passports without the proper stamps.

Depending on where you are staying, you could or could not have a problem. Most places in El Liquito don't even bother to register in the girl if build a little rapport with the night security, just walk in and smile and nod and walk like a boss to the elevator. As long as she doesn't look [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url], you should be good to go.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2355033]So I read a little while ago that some of these Venezuelan chicas do not have Cedula, How many people have ran into this issue?[/QUOTE]In the past, I was used to find several ones, but Colombian (and no, in most cases they were not looking too young). A couple of times a tip to my portero made him to not insist to require it. Other times, we went to La Haiba.

Now, I guess that Venezuelan without cedula have a simple explanation: they over-extended their stay in Colombia, or entered the country not regularly, or whatever issue related to "illegal" immigration. It is a problem for them, if police stops your taxi while moving to Bocagrande (I think it's a pretty common. It happened to me once over 4 nights, and they were more interested to explore my pockets foro drugs than the girl).

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2355261] Almost every time on the plane the person sitting next to me asks if they "accept dollars" in Cartagena. You can't fix stupid [/QUOTE][i]"You can't fix stupid"[/i] is the best piece of wisdom! Never forget it.

You cannot convince a stupid, and the more you talk to him the more he will stick to his idea. He will also consider you annoying.

(Someone here knows the Laws of Stupidity of C. M. Cipolla? I hope at least some!)

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2355019] I have been to Cartagena a few times. I always stayed in an apartment in El Laguito because it simplified things, in those days LDV (La Dolce Vita) was at the little shopping center place in El Laguito and walking distance to my apartment. I most frequently got chicas out of there and sometimes Elektra. I never had any luck at Playa Hollywood, but also avoided Tony like the plague.
[/QUOTE]My first times in CTG were 10 years ago. A different world!

LDV (BTW, as you wrote, it's [b]LA DOLCE VITA[/b], NOT "LA DULCE VIDA"!) was the place where all gringos were going. Priced above other places, a true "Silicon & Gringos" haven. But also the place where all higher end girls were going. My place has always been Elektra! What fond memories in that patio!

By the way, last time in CTG (early July) a mulato man stopped me at Reloy, to offer me girls and whatever, and calling me by name ("Hey you remember me, many years in Cartagena, remember Elektra, Giro Matto,... ")
WTF!

Wow. I did even forget Giro Matto!! That's OLD!!!

About the "Fixing the Stupid" challenge, someone here must know already the famous "Five Fundamental Laws of Stupidity" theorized by the economist C. M. Cipolla with his essay "Basic Laws of Human Stupidity".

He did a lot of work in his field (economy). This essay is just a half-humorous short text. It is readily available on the web (a PDF of about 25 pages, translated to several languages). However, there is a nice short summary on Wikipedia:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_M._Cipolla[/URL]

We all may have a different concept of "stupidity", not to mention the fact that some others might consider also us as "stupid". Also Wikipedia refers to stupidity as a "controversial subject".

NEVERTHELESS, please note that this essay is a scientific socioeconomic treatise of the subject. [I]Stupidity[/I] is defined objectively, not based on personal opinions:
[center][I]"A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses."[/I][/center]

Therefore, classifying someone as "stupid" (according to Cipolla's Laws) is not a plain offense. It's a scientific, objective assessment of a fact.

There is a lot to learn reading that essay! In short, two factors are considered when exploring human behaviour:
- benefits and losses that an individual causes to him or herself;.
- benefits and losses that an individual causes to others.
These factors can be placed on a plane diagram divided in four sectors by the two Cartesian axes.
This allows to define objectively 4 categories of humans:

1) [I]Intelligent people[/I], who contribute to society and who leverage their contributions into reciprocal benefits;

2) [I]Helpless people[/I], who contribute to society but are taken advantage of by it (and especially by the "bandit" sector of it); note, however, that extreme altruists and pacifists may willingly and consciously (rather than helplessly) accept a place in this category for moral or ethical reasons;

3) [I]Bandits[/I], who pursue their own self-interest even when doing so poses a net detriment to societal welfare;

4) [I]Stupid people[/I], whose efforts are counterproductive to both their and others' interests.

Finally, there are also:

5) [I]Ineffectual people[/I] (center of the diagram).

Each of us will find lots of practical sound examples of all categories, just looking into his / her personal experience among all people we know.

This is the most interesting Law among the five:
2) [I]The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.[/I].

Of course, people from different parts of the world and different culture will do things differently, but that is not the point.
If [I]stupidity[/I] is defined as above, then it is amazing to note that the percentage of "stupid" individuals in a group of people is largely independent on any other characteristic, including for example education, social class, richness, kind of job, and of course gender and race!

That means that it does not matter if we look at a group of university professors, technical engineers, accountants, office employees, seamen, factory workers, farmers, black or white, Chinese or white Americans, etc. Etc. We will always find the same percentage of stupid people, anywhere we look at. I think we all can recognize this fact, if we just look around us.

In our present case, "stupid" people are those who overpay a service, without reason and getting no additional service or quality.
They are "stupid" because:
1) they spend more money than actually needed indeed (thus, they incur in a personal loss);.
2) they cause the market price for a service to raise, without a corresponding increase of the quality (thus, they cause a loss to others).

So, here there are the [b]Cipolla's Five Fundamental Laws of Stupidity[/b]:
[i]1) Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
2) The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
3) A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
4) Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.
5) A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.[/i]

I think we all agree in particular with the 5th Law.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2355519] It is a problem for them, if police stops your taxi while moving to Bocagrande (I think it's a pretty common. It happened to me once over 4 nights, and they were more interested to explore my pockets foro drugs than the girl).

My first times in CTG were 10 years ago. A different world!

LDV (BTW, as you wrote, it's [b]LA DOLCE VITA[/b], NOT "LA DULCE VIDA"!) was the place where all gringos were going. Priced above other places, a true "Silicon & Gringos" haven. But also the place where all higher end girls were going. My place has always been Elektra! What fond memories in that patio!

![/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. Yes my first trip was 2010 so that was 9 years ago. Then I returned in 2011 and again in 2013 but have not been back since. I can relate to getting my taxi stopped by police and having my pockets rifled. It gave some anxiety when it happened and as you say they did not search the girl (word to the wise: if you are stupid enough to mess with drugs in Colombia, let the chica carry them).

So I have seen these Youtube videos where there are like 50 chicas plus standing around the clock tower area (Plaza de LOS Coches) and I am blown away because it never saw that when I was there. That is why I asked if these were Venezuelans? Are there several chicas there every night or is it just a weekend thing?