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Perhaps if you do have info on POA and the rentals costs there you could just give me your thoughts on being able to find a suitable apartment (small) for under $700 per month. I am going for three months from December into March. If you have been to POA maybe you could steer me into a good location to start looking for something to rent.

Thanks,

Randy

I am going to Brazil for the first time and really having a hard time deciding what city to go to. For those of you that have been to brazil would you give me your opinon on this. If you had a choice between going to Fortaleza or the POA which one would you choose. Would you perhaps choose a different location and not go to those areas? I think I want to stay out of Rio on this trip. Thanks. I have not been able to use the personal message board for some reason.

Randy

[QUOTE=Randall Lozier]I am going to POA for three months starting in December. Does anyone have monthly rental rates for this city. I am just looking for decent in a safe area. Also I would concider sharing a apartment or house to save a little money. I would hope that the rates in POA will be cheaper than in Rio. I am looking to spend in the $500 to $700 range. Is that possible?[/QUOTE]

I was at a nice student hostel. Single suite 45 per day, room without bath room 35 a day. Most likely you can get weekly or monthly cheaper, though the monthly seems to be reserved to students.

If you pm me, I can try to look it up. Was very close to downtown, where I found all my favorite cheap brothels with lots of daytime action.

Found some dump hotels for R$ 18 room without TV or bath room. Monthly should be cheaper, too.

Now I really did not research apartments ...........

[QUOTE=Rioguest]Can't send you a personal message for some reason, but I might be able to help you. Send me a note if you can.

Rioguest[/QUOTE]

We can do some advertising and spam for "our boss":

If you are new, and ask questions, maybe you get a paid membership that entitles you to receive private messages. At least near the time when you do your trip.

One for the older mongers.

Mate of mine 64 years old (he´s always been a bit of a monger). I thought he had more sense after living in Brazil for the last 30 years, but just goes to show there´s no fool like an old fool. Got him self hooked up with a young 22 year old GDP, left his beautiful wife for this GDP. Of course the GDP is running true to form and has started the process of asset striping. My wife is close friends with his ex. I foolishly said to my wife "Do you think he loves this girl". My wife says "Não é amor, ele "en-sho-sho-ta-do". I was in 65 last week, one of the centro terma relaying the story to one of GDP´s I have known for a while. As soon as she heard me say the word "en-sho-sho-ta-do" she squealed with laughter. If you can get this word in at the terma it seems to have an hilarious effect. Basically it means c*nt struck.

[QUOTE=Fred100]One for the older mongers.

Mate of mine 64 years old (he´s always been a bit of a monger). I thought he had more sense after living in Brazil for the last 30 years, but just goes to show there´s no fool like an old fool. Got him self hooked up with a young 22 year old GDP, left his beautiful wife for this GDP. Of course the GDP is running true to form and has started the process of asset striping. My wife is close friends with his ex. I foolishly said to my wife "Do you think he loves this girl". My wife says "Não é amor, ele "en-sho-sho-ta-do". I was in 65 last week, one of the centro terma relaying the story to one of GDP´s I have known for a while. As soon as she heard me say the word "en-sho-sho-ta-do" she squealed with laughter. If you can get this word in at the terma it seems to have an hilarious effect. Basically it means c*nt struck.[/QUOTE]

pussy whipped..................

[QUOTE=Golfinho]This one -- 81 -- has them imported fresh from Novo Iguacu. Young, although many single moms. Rooms, which I checked out, are too disgusting to do anything onsite.[/QUOTE]I had sessioned there maybe two years ago, but at that time the room was no worse than Solarium or MC in my opinion. Could have gone down hill but I will check it out next week for myself when I get to Rio. I met a very cute 19yo working there who had a boyfriend but no baby. For truly disgusting rooms, you'd have to go to the Florida Bar. You'd have to decide for yourself whether you want to party here.

[QUOTE=Almotu]I had sessioned there maybe two years ago, but at that time the room was no worse than Solarium or MC in my opinion. Could have gone down hill but I will check it out next week for myself when I get to Rio. I met a very cute 19yo working there who had a boyfriend but no baby. For truly disgusting rooms, you'd have to go to the Florida Bar. You'd have to decide for yourself whether you want to party here.[/QUOTE]

I think the issue is different people have different views of what disgusting is.

When I first went to Rio I was used to the very luxurios places in Europe, for me the rooms at Luomo etc were bad. Now, everything be relative, I think a lot of the R$100 type places in Rio are not so bad. Yeah they are not western type standards of cleanliness, but all in all, they are not "make you want to puke" disgustingly bad.

VillaMimosa is really bad ;-)

[QUOTE=Fred100]One for the older mongers.

I foolishly said to my wife "Do you think he loves this girl". My wife says "Não é amor, ele "en-sho-sho-ta-do". I was in 65 last week, one of the centro terma relaying the story to one of GDP´s I have known for a while. As soon as she heard me say the word "en-sho-sho-ta-do" she squealed with laughter. If you can get this word in at the terma it seems to have an hilarious effect. Basically it means c*nt struck.[/QUOTE]


Yeah but if she said that it shows where she comes from! Sorry.

[QUOTE=Randall Lozier]Perhaps if you do have info on POA and the rentals costs there you could just give me your thoughts on being able to find a suitable apartment (small) for under $700 per month. I am going for three months from December into March. If you have been to POA maybe you could steer me into a good location to start looking for something to rent.

Thanks,

Randy[/QUOTE]

Randall Lozier has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

These messages are a bit cryptic. But to have certain privileges, you must either be a prolific member, or pay up. So if you want to be able to exchange messages, you need to get a paid membership

I might be able to chat with you if I ever get your contact info, phone, etc. But really, the guy who owns this board and has all this work, he deserves a little cash .......

Av. NS Copacabana five zero zero (five hundred) sala 407 Tel. 3181 3121 9 am to 9p (closing time is sharp due to building closure)
Note that this place might close in October or November, so keep watching or have an excuse ready if you ring there and it looks like a normal office


((note I write the numbers in english so the neighbors have a harder time googling the address))

Note: they are slow at openening, be prepared to wait a bit. Note they are very discreet, so please don't come in a loud boisterous drunk group but behave well to avoid giving them trouble

Price R$ 60 30 minutes, after that it becomes R$ per minute, so R$ 90 an hour, R$ 120 an hour and a half
this includes a kit of CLEAN towel and bedsheet in plastic wrap!!
The beds are ig twin size
rooms are decent, shower is decent

NO dogs, all girls are from decent to great. 2 shifts of girls!

My favorites: Camila and Tainá, both under 20, slim, no kids.

This is near the other Copacabana venues: Siqueira Campos/Serzedelo Correia twenty two, Av. Copacabana five eight three sala 204, 203, and Tonelero ?, and Termas Monte Carlo and L'Uomo.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]Av. NS Copacabana five zero zero (five hundred) sala 407 Tel. 3181 3121 9 am to 9p (closing time is sharp due to building closure)
Note that this place might close in October or November, so keep watching or have an excuse ready if you ring there and it looks like a normal office


((note I write the numbers in english so the neighbors have a harder time googling the address))

Note: they are slow at openening, be prepared to wait a bit. Note they are very discreet, so please don't come in a loud boisterous drunk group but behave well to avoid giving them trouble

Price R$ 60 30 minutes, after that it becomes R$ per minute, so R$ 90 an hour, R$ 120 an hour and a half
this includes a kit of CLEAN towel and bedsheet in plastic wrap!!
The beds are ig twin size
rooms are decent, shower is decent

NO dogs, all girls are from decent to great. 2 shifts of girls!

My favorites: Camila and Tainá, both under 20, slim, no kids.

This is near the other Copacabana venues: Siqueira Campos/Serzedelo Correia twenty two, Av. Copacabana five eight three sala 204, 203, and Tonelero ?, and Termas Monte Carlo and L'Uomo.[/QUOTE]
I thought you spoke Portuguese.

In their advertisement in the [I]Hora[/I] newspaper the prices are listed as R$50, R$70 and R$100 for 2 hours.

Maybe you are trying to make a buck off them like you do trying to rent the shithole rooms in your apartment. Or, did they offer you free sessions for posting this information?

[B]Do not pay Gringo prices and always be wary of a gringo in Rio who says he wants to help you. Also be wary of guys who consistently post about young girls.[/B]

I will be in Rio for a week in mid September. I am interested in renting a luxury apartment for the week. I'm not a cheap charlie and am looking for something nice (but girl friendly of course). Does anyone have any recent referrals for a reliable company or individual? I would prefer to be in Barra de Tijuca or second choice Leblon.

Thanks in advance for any help you guys may be able to give me.

I am confused, I did pay the $19.95 for the subscription! Is there another fee
involved to be able to send private messages? If so let me know so I can pay that fee also. At this time I still cannot send or receive private messages.

Thanks for you help.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I Maybe you are trying to make a buck off them like you do trying to rent the shithole rooms in your apartment. Or, did they offer you free sessions for posting this information?

[B]Do not pay Gringo prices and always be wary of a gringo in Rio who says he wants to help you. Also be wary of guys who consistently post about young girls.[/B][/QUOTE]Ignore guys who insist in bold letters on trying to tell you what to do.

[QUOTE=Rastaman]Does anyone currently in Rio have any details about the new disco that will replace HELP????[/QUOTE]

I am in Rio, I would be very suprised if a new Help appears. The locals hated the place. To be perfectly honest, since Help is closed Copacabana is a lot safer at night and it has generally been positive for copacabana in general. There is no way they will ever let a Help open again. Anybody that says there will be a new place is just hearing rumours and bullshit.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]...Anybody that says there will be a new place is just hearing rumours and bullshit.[/QUOTE]

AMEN :D

8 months Help is gone, finally for locals, I no more believe bullshits there will be a new Help, I agree with Bubba.

Lucky the ones who enjoyed it, it was good, sometimes very good, till it lasts.

[QUOTE=Rastaman]Safe!!?? --you must not have heard about the shootout & hostage taking several days ago at the Intercontinental hotel.[/QUOTE]
I think Bubba Boy's hearing is just fine. Maybe he knows a lot more about Rio de Janeiro than you do; like that São Conrado (location of Intercontinental Hotel (A) is about 10 km and a couple mountains away from Copacabana (B) ).

There are a couple of new clubs that will opening up in Copa in the near future. Whether they will be GDP friendly is the $10,000 question. Its not a matter of "They wont let a new Help open in copa" its a situation where will they be willing to hire lawyers to fight the lawsuits that will be filed, if they dont allow the GDPs in.

The new club that is a block away from Copa Palace is the place that all the working girls are planning on invading when it opens. It will be interesting to see if they can take over the place, the way they did to Help 20 years ago. I think they feel very confident because the rumors are that its owned by the same guy who owned Help.

[QUOTE=Rastaman]Safe!!?? --you must not have heard about the shootout & hostage taking several days ago at the Intercontinental hotel.[/QUOTE]

I said "safer".IE the safety has improved, is it as safe as most western cities? HELL NO. Yiu still need to be very aware, however it has improved from what it was.

My point being, When Help was open, there were groups of favelado type guys that used to just hang out in the lane ways around help at night. If you were not very careful they would have a go at you. Likewise along avenida atlantica late, there were groups just waiting for an easy target.

Now, you can walk around that area with very little concern for safety as long as you are aware of your surroundings. Likewise avenida atlantica is a lot better. I don't feel as uneasy as I once did. Just basically a lot less shady guys hanging around.

The safety is a lot better.....

[QUOTE=Bravo]There are a couple of new clubs that will opening up in Copa in the near future. Whether they will be GDP friendly is the $10,000 question. Its not a matter of "They wont let a new Help open in copa" its a situation where will they be willing to hire lawyers to fight the lawsuits that will be filed, if they dont allow the GDPs in.

The new club that is a block away from Copa Palace is the place that all the working girls are planning on invading when it opens. It will be interesting to see if they can take over the place, the way they did to Help 20 years ago. I think they feel very confident because the rumors are that its owned by the same guy who owned Help.[/QUOTE]

Help was started as a normal club, when the economy tanked in the 80's and 90's the GDPs were welcomed in because they were the only ones that could keep the place going.

The federal police do not need lawyers to shut a place down. They can and have shut down many clubs in the past never to be opened again.

I guarantee you there will not be another club the size of Help opening any time in Copacabana soon.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I thought you spoke Portuguese.
[/QUOTE]
I speak Portuguese. Melhor do que a maioria das meninas. Você quer que eu escreva os posts aqui em Português?
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
In their advertisement in the [I]Hora[/I] newspaper the prices are listed as R$50, R$70 and R$100 for 2 hours.
[/QUOTE]
Now that is interesting. When and where did you see this ad? They just raised the pricess this month. I suppose you mean "Meia Hora" Newspaper. Can you scan the ad, write it in it's entirety, or find it online?

or anyone bothers to check the online ads of "O Dia", "O Globo" to verify? Actually, I can ask a few Brazilians to call and inquire.

The price I quote includes a R$ 10 fresh sheet and towel kit. So you probably can get a dirty mattress for R$ 50 a half hour. The R$ 70 + 10 for kit is 10 under the price I was quoted. R$ 100 for 2 hours, I will be the first to claim this price.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
Maybe you are trying to make a buck off them like you do trying to rent the shithole rooms in your apartment.
[/QUOTE]
Unless you can show that my rooms look like Vila Mimosa, you are engaging in slander. If I were to go down to your level I would ask you if you getting free rooms for badmouthing my 2 rooms.

Plenty of people love to stay at my apartment. Some stayed for months and keet coming back. My internet, aircon, mattresses all work and are in top shape, unlike at most expensive luxury apartments.

But to each his own, there are plenty of other apartments out there. with Ocean view, more rooms, or the possibility to bring girls without ID check (I insist on ID check)
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
Or, did they offer you free sessions for posting this information?
[/QUOTE]
How am I going to make a buck off them? Will you tell them you came through my post so they can correctly assign you to my commission group? And you think Brazilians would be honest enough to count my guests correctly?

Free sessions in exchange for posts on a site they cannot even understand nor verify? You business sense is acute, maybe you give me some lessons on how you would manage such feats!

Now if it were necessary to go through a "court trial", I could try to drum up around 20 people who have witnessed me getting into major arguments to get non-gringo prices at 22, 204, 53 for my friends, making clear that I am not charging any commissions.

Ask the very prolific writer Rikkit2, he witnessed such arguments when I haggled his price with management of 53. He also met his 2 favorite everynight companion girls through me, by the way. I should not tell you because now you will allege I got kickbacks from the girls. But he can certify that the first think I did is I asked the girl to exchange phone numbers with him because I did not want to be bothered with their dealings.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
[B]Do not pay Gringo prices and always be wary of a gringo in Rio who says he wants to help you.
[/QUOTE]
The first half is good advice. The second half, maybe you should check the reputation of the gringo, how many people got free advice and were happy with it.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
Also be wary of guys who consistently post about young girls.[/B][/QUOTE]
Even though you are not explicit, you seem to be hinting at illegal acts which I do not find amusing.

What problem do you see in liking 18-20 year old girls, either in certified parlors and agencies where I can assume they are ID checked. Or after detailed ID check if I meet them elsewhere. I even ID the brothel girls if I meet them outside? Have you ever carded girls in termas? I already got my self in trouble for asking ID in Vila Mimosa.

I even posted a long post, years ago, on how to avoid ID fraud. Do you know anyone other then me who ID's all the girls, even if it is the 10th time they come for a visit?
Looks like a character assassination, even though you are just hinting and not saying anything explicit.
If you like 27 year old girls with 2 kids, all power to you. Makes life so much easier.
I haven't seen you being hostile to me before, anything happened? Did you meet a certain group of local business guys who for years have spread false rumors about me, because the are irked that I give free advice?

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]
Now that is interesting. When and where did you see this ad? They just raised the pricess this month. I suppose you mean "Meia Hora" Newspaper. Can you scan the ad, write it in it's entirety, or find it online?

or anyone bothers to check the online ads of "O Dia", "O Globo" to verify? Actually, I can ask a few Brazilians to call and inquire.

The price I quote includes a R$ 10 fresh sheet and towel kit. So you probably can get a dirty mattress for R$ 50 a half hour. The R$ 70 + 10 for kit is 10 under the price I was quoted. R$ 100 for 2 hours, I will be the first to claim this price.
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How to check Rio escort ads in the paper

go to O Dia newspaper. [url]www.odia.com.br[/url]

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GATINHAS COPACABANA
Namoradinhas maravilhosas, ambiente extremamente discreto, R$50,00, R$70,00, R$100,00 2horas. Av.Copacabana, 500/ 407 T:3181-3121 Segunda/ Sábado 09:00 às 21:00h.


So you were right. I am on a trip, but I will try to find out about the 2 hour deal. Maybe it is outcall, but that would be even better. ** it could also be that you get these prices only if you quote the ad with the prices.

Now the R$ 50 deal is probably the half hour with dirty bed sheets, without the clean sheet kit. Or a 20 minute special.

While we are checking these ads, I posted this before:
Be aware of subtleties of Brazilian Language, or else you will end up with a "quase mulher", with a big 23 cm detail.

AVOID THIS ONE>
ABAFA ANDRESSA
Quase mulher. Belíssima morena clara, corpo bonito, seios turbinados, 19anos, atendimento discreto e completo. Privê copacabana. Tel.3685-9006/ 8289-3456. NOT!!

More ads there
CAROLZINHA
19 aninhos, loiraça, avião, U.S.A. fartos pernas torneadas, corpinho divinamente esculpido, rebolado enlouquecedor, sensual, provocante, inesquecível, apaixone-se. 3989-0074. Copacabana.

CACAU GATINHA
Dourada, 19anos, 1,45 sensualidade, rostinho delicado, pequena, porém deliciosas curvas, privê R$70,00 1h. Copacabana 24h. 2275-6554/ 2275-6953

MEL DELICIOSA
Morena 21aninhos, cabelos longos, rostinho lindo, cintura fina, quadril maravilhoso, belas pernas. Privê R$70,00. Copacabana 24h. 2275-6554/ 2275-6953

Avoid the next one
RODRIGO
Moreno cor do pecado, tesão na cama. Esperando você em meu Privê. homens, casal, mulheres. 9344-5157/ 3208-1304 somente Copacabana.


Famous place downtown
STELLA'S HOLLYWOOD
Relax partir R$30,00. Leve 2gatas pague1! Rua Ouvidor, 130/707, Rua Santa Luzia, 405/4º andar, apartamento29. Aceitamos cartões. T.2215-7063/ 3852-2336. [url]www.destack.com.br/hollywood.htm[/url], [url]www.belasecia.com.br/hollywood.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]Even though you are not explicit, you seem to be hinting at illegal acts which I do not find amusing.
[/QUOTE]
Not everyone knows your reputation, but they should. Here is the heading of a post you made on another forum.

[B]Brazil's Child Sex Tourism Industry Is on the Rise!? Please comment[/B]
(No one did). Maybe it is because this was the body of [U]your[/U] post (URL purposefully not included)

Please write some nasty comments on that site.

I was kicked out already, so you guys please comment. this is so absurd!!
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As for the prices I quoted, they were in the 8/25/2010 issue of [I]Meia Hora[/I]. You are correct in that they will charge you R$10 more than the quoted price for the kit which includes a sheet, towel and condom. I know times are tough because you have been posting a lot lately all over the internet about your great free advice which usually includes an ad for the rooms you rent in your apartment. [I]Meia Hora[/I] costs R$.70 but since I am done with mine I will be happy to leave it with the doorman in your building -- no charge.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Help was started as a normal club, when the economy tanked in the 80's and 90's the GDPs were welcomed in because they were the only ones that could keep the place going.

I guarantee you there will not be another club the size of Help opening any time in Copacabana soon.[/QUOTE]


Your close, but your Help history is a little off. Yes, Help started off as a regular night club. But it didnt continue to be open in the 80s and 90s because only prostitutes could affod to go there! LOL!!!

The reason why it became a prostitute club was because initialy they banned working girls and women of color from entering the club. (Made sense for GDPs to want to go into Help because that is where the majority of tourists went when they arrived in Copa). They stopped a GDP from entering and she filed a lawsuit against the club saying they discriminated against her. She claimed that as long as she paid the entrance fee and was dressed according to their rules, they couldnt deny her entry. The courts ruled in her favor and slowly Help turned in a prostitute hang out spot.

Now I know they will never be another mega sized club in copa that will replace Help (Unless they can get that bingo parlor in aprador up and running) but they can have smaller venues that the girls can work in.

[QUOTE=Bravo]The reason why it became a prostitute club was because initialy they banned working girls and women of color from entering the club. (Made sense for GDPs to want to go into Help because that is where the majority of tourists went when they arrived in Copa). They stopped a GDP from entering and she filed a lawsuit against the club saying they discriminated against her.[/QUOTE]My big question is how did they distinguish a GDP from a non-GDP? This escapes me in Thailand as well. In Bangkok the cops at times ride around in a pick-up truck, stop in the Nana Hotel parking lot, and throw all of the alleged hookers they can gather in the back of the truck. They take them around the corner and extort the equivalent of US$30 from them. Those that can not or will not pay they take to jail. I just can't wrap my mind around how they can say that just because a female is standing in a certain place that she is a hooker. Even if she is actually a pro, surely she has not been observed to have broken any laws just by standing around. Our system at home is nowhere near perfect but it is a damn sight better than bullshit like this.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]My big question is how did they distinguish a GDP from a non-GDP? This escapes me in Thailand as well. I just can't wrap my mind around how they can say that just because a female is standing in a certain place that she is a hooker. Even if she is actually a pro, surely she has not been observed to have broken any laws just by standing around. Our system at home is nowhere near perfect but it is a damn sight better than bullshit like this.[/QUOTE]

The average brasilian can tell. Just like we can tell an american hooker when she walks into a room, they can distinguish a brasilian one. To us, they all look the same, but they can definately tell.

I remember one American guy who had a girlfriend who used to work in a terma before he met her. He went out with her a bunch of his American friends to club Melt. His girlfriend was dressed just like the other 200 females going into the place, no different. When they got to the front of the line, the bouncer stopped them and said "You guys can go in, but the prostitute has to stay outside!". He was pissed off and started argueing with the bouncer saying she wasnt a prostitute, she was his girlfriend, but the bouncer still wouldnt let her in.

[QUOTE=Bravo]They stopped a GDP from entering and she filed a lawsuit against the club saying they discriminated against her. She claimed that as long as she paid the entrance fee and was dressed according to their rules, they couldnt deny her entry. The courts ruled in her favor and slowly Help turned in a prostitute hang out spot.[/QUOTE]Sounds like an urban legend. There's racial discriminaton everyday and eveywhere in Brasil, and NO club changes its prejudicial entry rules. More simply, Help followed the very same process as Retro in Jakarta, Q Bar in Bangkok, ect ect.

It was initially a "in" club for party-goers in the know, therefore filled with gorgeous "normal" chicks. When the gringos started to know that, some began to frequent the club. It was soon that, knowing there was gringos, some piranhas and pros began to come also. For about one year, the crowd kept mixed (normal party goers, gringos, pros and piranhas) but it became more and more popular among the gringos, therefore among the pros who followed. The upper-class "normal" chicks, seing that, began to abandon the place for more "elite" spots, leaving the place to the mongers and the prostitutes. Soon after it became the 100% pick-up club that we all knew.

[QUOTE=Bravo]The average brasilian can tell. Just like we can tell an american hooker when she walks into a room, they can distinguish a brasilian one. To us, they all look the same, but they can definately tell.

I remember one American guy who had a girlfriend who used to work in a terma before he met her. He went out with her a bunch of his American friends to club Melt. His girlfriend was dressed just like the other 200 females going into the place, no different. When they got to the front of the line, the bouncer stopped them and said "You guys can go in, but the prostitute has to stay outside!". He was pissed off and started argueing with the bouncer saying she wasnt a prostitute, she was his girlfriend, but the bouncer still wouldnt let her in.[/QUOTE]

Well, well, well.

Things like that happen here frequently when women go out with a bunch of gringos. It has happened to me, my brother and all of my friends.

In Zona Sul mainly. If a woman (women) go out with a gringo(s), they are easily seen as prostitutes. My wife used to be very pissed about that and nowadays we have practically no reason to go to Zona Sul.

This kind of thing is common when gringo(s) do not speak portuguese.

Brasilians do not have superpower to see if a girl is a prostitute or no. What most likely happened is that a girl went to disco with other gringos before or something like that. Anyway, who with a clear mind goes to a place like MELT? Been there once and that was enough. Just arrogant brasilians there.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Your close, but your Help history is a little off. Yes, Help started off as a regular night club. But it didnt continue to be open in the 80s and 90s because only prostitutes could affod to go there! LOL!!!

The reason why it became a prostitute club was because initialy they banned working girls and women of color from entering the club. (Made sense for GDPs to want to go into Help because that is where the majority of tourists went when they arrived in Copa). They stopped a GDP from entering and she filed a lawsuit against the club saying they discriminated against her. She claimed that as long as she paid the entrance fee and was dressed according to their rules, they couldnt deny her entry. The courts ruled in her favor and slowly Help turned in a prostitute hang out spot.

Now I know they will never be another mega sized club in copa that will replace Help (Unless they can get that bingo parlor in aprador up and running) but they can have smaller venues that the girls can work in.[/QUOTE]

I have heard the same rumour but as far as I know it was just that, a rumour, I don't believe there was ever lawsuit filed by a GDP. There are so many rumours about the place, most have been false.

It opened in 1985 as a semi exclusive place, people were required to meet a certain dress standard to enter. When the financial crisis hit in the late 80's and continued through the 90's help almost closed a few times due to lack of business. It wasn't until the GDP's started to frequent the place in increasing numbers did it start to make money again and become viable.

During the economic crisis in the late 80' and 90's all business struggled to stay a float.

Some of the members here knew Help back on the 90's. Bob, what was you take on this?

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]
Some of the members here knew Help back on the 90's. Bob, what was you take on this?[/QUOTE]

Sure I’ll add my 2 cents for what ever it is worth.

Help opened up mid year 1984, from what I understood from all the articles about when they were trying to close it they had a 25 year lease which would have expired in 2009; it finally closed its doors Jan 8 2010.

We went to Help when it first opened in 1984; yes it was 99.99% non pro for sure. The people who frequented Help were for the most part white upper middle class well dressed Brasilians who would not be caught dead frequenting the same establishment as a GDP.

By 1987 Help was becoming a slightly mixed club and gaining a reputation very slowly as a place where tourists could find girls for money. As this reputation increased and more and more GDP’s infiltrated Help then more and more of the white upper middle class Brasilians stopped going until Help was 99.99% GDP by the late 80’s/early 90’s.

If you read the predecessor of this board the old world sex guide, many of the early postings were early 90’s, Help was in full Bloom.

I have to laugh to myself now as I see a new posting about a new club opening up that is Help’s replacement because it’s like an Elvis sighting, nobody wants to believe that it is dead. I’ll believe it when I see it and be the first one on line to the new club if one ever happens.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I have heard the same rumour but as far as I know it was just that, a rumour, I don't believe there was ever lawsuit filed by a GDP. There are so many rumours about the place, most have been false.

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Not a rumour, it definately happened. My x grilfriend is a lawyer in rio and she is one who told me about it. Anyone who has spent any time in rio would know it was/is the norm for people to discriminate based on color and occupation. The only reason why they started allowing GDPs in Help was because of that lawsuit.

Not sure why guys think its a urban legend. If you use common sense it makes perfect sense. Think about it. Do you honestly think that the management of a semi exclusive club that caters to upper middle class brasilians, would allow a prostitute to saunter in there and start working? Of course not, they would stop them at the door and tell them to beat it. It would take something drastic for them to allow the girls into the club.

Perkele, I know exactly what you are talking about. I had to physically restrain my current girlfriend (She is lawyer for Petrobras) one day when a brasilian made a sly comment about her being a GDP because she was with me. She tore the guy a new asshole right in the store. LOL

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]
Some of the members here knew Help back on the 90's. Bob, what was you take on this?[/QUOTE]
I lived in Rio from 1992 - 1994 and I don't remember HELP! being nearly as overtly GDP friendly. Now, between 1994 and 2006 I did not set foot in Brazil so I will concede that after 12 years it's possible that my memory got a little "fuzzy". That notwithstanding, the first time I walked into HELP! in 2006 my jaw nearly dropped. I used to go with work colleagues to Sobre as Ondas next door and it wasn't nearly as "in your face". Hell, we used to drive up to the door and the valet would park the car downstairs.

[QUOTE=Jake993]I lived in Rio from 1992 - 1994[/QUOTE]Ever been to Caligula (name sounds suggestive, but it was in fact a very "in" upper-end disco) on Praça da Paz in Ipanema?

It was definitely the best club in Rio in the early 90s.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Not a rumour, it definately happened. My x grilfriend is a lawyer in rio and she is one who told me about it. Anyone who has spent any time in rio would know it was/is the norm for people to discriminate based on color and occupation. The only reason why they started allowing GDPs in Help was because of that lawsuit.

LOL[/QUOTE]

It is a nice story but it is not true. Maybe somebody sued them at some time, but that was never why the club turned into a big brothel. It was just the evolution of the club.

[QUOTE=Beach Star]It is a nice story but it is not true. Maybe somebody sued them at some time, but that was never why the club turned into a big brothel. It was just the evolution of the club.[/QUOTE]


Which part isnt true? The lawsuit? Or the fact that once they started letting in GDPS, then the whole scene changed.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Which part isnt true? The lawsuit? Or the fact that once they started letting in GDPS, then the whole scene changed.[/QUOTE]

It would be a great story if true but there was no lawsuit which caused a sudden change in the evolution of the club.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Sounds like an urban legend. There's racial discriminaton everyday and eveywhere in Brasil, and NO club changes its prejudicial entry rules. More simply, Help followed the very same process as Retro in Jakarta, Q Bar in Bangkok, ect ect.

It was initially a "in" club for party-goers in the know, therefore filled with gorgeous "normal" chicks. When the gringos started to know that, some began to frequent the club. It was soon that, knowing there was gringos, some piranhas and pros began to come also. For about one year, the crowd kept mixed (normal party goers, gringos, pros and piranhas) but it became more and more popular among the gringos, therefore among the pros who followed. The upper-class "normal" chicks, seing that, began to abandon the place for more "elite" spots, leaving the place to the mongers and the prostitutes. Soon after it became the 100% pick-up club that we all knew.[/QUOTE]

Incorrect! It's not an urban legend.

There was a series of lawsuit all up and down Atlantic concerning this. Help has/had the right to refuse entry to whomever they wanted but not to a specific class. You can actually as a private owner say "I dont want that guy in my club" but you can never say " I dont want that GAY/Mulatto/Welder/.....nor GDP" They needed to be more subtle and were not. Think about it. The hilton does not say "No GDP's" They simply say "No Guests" ASK a Lawyer!


For the uninformed; "SexWorker" is a category in the Brazilian Classification of Occupations, from Ministry of Work and Employment. The lawsuit changed the entire dynamics of the club. However, the club never wanted to be named as a ***** oasis.

[quote=exec talent]not everyone knows your reputation, but they should. here is the heading of a post you made on another forum.

[b]brazil's child sex tourism industry is on the rise!? please comment[/b]
(no one did). maybe it is because this was the body of [u]your[/u] post (url purposefully not included)

please write some nasty comments on that site.

i was kicked out already, so you guys please comment. this is so absurd!!
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as for the prices i quoted, they were in the 8/25/2010 issue of [i]meia hora[/i]. you are correct in that they will charge you r$10 more than the quoted price for the kit which includes a sheet, towel and condom. i know times are tough because you have been posting a lot lately all over the internet about your great free advice which usually includes an ad for the rooms you rent in your apartment. [i]meia hora[/i] costs r$.70 but since i am done with mine i will be happy to leave it with the doorman in your building -- no charge.[/quote]

now i am in a bind. we are not supposed to talk about ****, but you subtly seem to be hinting i am involved in such things. i am involved in setting sensationalist articles straight.

as of child sex tourism on the rise:
anyone here observe child sex tourism on the rise? anyone find lots of **** girls or their foreign customers? of course not! certainly not in rio termas or similar venues. whatever was there in the past, it is decreasing, not on the rise.

if no-one here observes it, where would it be? if the child sex addicts are not on this board, at least people here would run across the perverts. fact is that this is just a pile of bs feminist drivel. i know some customers of **** girls, they are all brazilians. the last holdouts among the foreigners already figured out that it is too dangerous. maybe somewhere in the amazon you can find a few more who still try? not here! nor in fortaleza etc. but actually, this topic is taboo here. but stating that there is no such thing as **** prostitution for gringos probably is not taboo.

and getting kicked out of a web site by some feminazis is almost an honor. if you write the truth, they kick you out. they love to spread false rumors to foster their goal, which is to eliminate all sources of legal adult fun, so you are stuck with aging us feminist fat chicks as your only source of sexual entertainment.


as to the newspaper, thank you very much. i already posted that i found the ads. i asked my contact (girl working there at the massage place) and she told me the ad was a mistake, the 100 r$ 2 hours should be 160. if you want to try, bring the printed ad. maybe the stick to what they published.

we already agree on the 30 minute deal. i think nobody here wants to save r$ 10 to get a filthy bed without the clean bed sheet.

[QUOTE=Jake993]I lived in Rio from 1992 - 1994 and I don't remember HELP! being nearly as overtly GDP friendly. Now, between 1994 and 2006 I did not set foot in Brazil so I will concede that after 12 years it's possible that my memory got a little "fuzzy". [/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]
We went to Help when it first opened in 1984; yes it was 99.99% non pro for sure.
[/QUOTE]

It's inspirational to see that people who did Rio back in the 'glory days' still find today's Rio interesting enough to discuss here. Maybe things haven't gone downhill as much as some people say...and I hope that I, and my hobbying career, last so long! The two outcomes seem mutually exclusive, though. ;)

Now that Help is gone, everyone is missing it.

We forget, that Help, after being taken over by prostitutes, was taken over by favela prostitutes

I can proudly say I did not set foot on Help in over 10 years. Most better girls I know were scared off by violent Ghetto girls. Help was destroyed by the low life girls that scared off the girls I consider most interesting: part time occasional prostitute girls that want no trouble.

Step 2 was invasion of the prostitutes. Step 3 was invasion by low life violent prostitutes that kept out the occasionally working "almost good" girls.

I wish Help could return to be as it was in the first few years. I don't miss Help as it became in the end. Overpriced gringo ripoff by seasoned girls. Girls that like to scam guys out of their money with threats, not following up with what they had promised.

So what was so great about Help? I've never been but just curious as to how it was different from balcony and barbarellas. I hear the former Help girls frequent Balcony now. Was Help just a club version of balcony? Cause there's a club right next to it and its where the balcony crowd goes to dance.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]Now that Help is gone, everyone is missing it.

We forget, that Help, after being taken over by prostitutes, was taken over by favela prostitutes

I can proudly say I did not set foot on Help in over 10 years. Most better girls I know were scared off by violent Ghetto girls. Help was destroyed by the low life girls that scared off the girls I consider most interesting: part time occasional prostitute girls that want no trouble.

Step 2 was invasion of the prostitutes. Step 3 was invasion by low life violent prostitutes that kept out the occasionally working "almost good" girls.

I wish Help could return to be as it was in the first few years. I don't miss Help as it became in the end. Overpriced gringo ripoff by seasoned girls. Girls that like to scam guys out of their money with threats, not following up with what they had promised.[/QUOTE]I was there when help opened in the eighties. My wife and I had many a good night out in the eighties-early nineties. Later during the nineties until 2008, I would visit with clients and colleagues for one reason only(hookers). My wife and I re-visited 2007. (Even in her 50's my wife is a babe) she was getting heavy pressure in the ladies room, about minimal pricing and not to drink too much.

The sad thing was, yes help was (quasi) an area of free enterprise for the pros, until base economics started to play a part. If the girls were considered to be selling under the going Gringo rate prices, there would be repercussions for the girl. Bearing in mind towards the end of help, many of the girls had been selling their services earlier in the day for $R50 or less in VM or the like.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]As to the newspaper, thank you very much. I already posted that I found the ads. I asked my contact (girl working there at the massage place) and she told me the ad was a mistake, the 100 R$ 2 hours should be 160. If you want to try, bring the printed ad. Maybe the stick to what they published.

We already agree on the 30 minute deal. I think nobody here wants to save R$ 10 to get a filthy bed without the clean bed sheet.[/QUOTE]

The free advice that you claim to offer so that you can places ads all over the internet touting the rooms you rent in your apartment is often worth just what people are paying for it. This is from a post in February 2009.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=845169#post845169[/url]

"She quoted the rates as 50 reals for 30 minutes, I think she said 70 for an hour and I am certain she said 100 reals for 2 hours."

Your "contact" says it is a misprint. Did your "contact" promise to give you free sessions for posting their information all over the internet? Because that is just how guys like you operate. Free is never free with guys like you. There always is an angle. Incidentally, Gatinhas Copacabana (Namoraddinhas) ad with that pricing has appeared in [I]Meia Hora[/I] for awhile.

Many of us are here trying to help others have a good experience, not trying to rent crappy rooms in our shithole apartment or posting ads in exchange for discounts or freebees. We also do not have posts over many years which discuss "young" girls.

There are disgusting and revolting people in this world. If I can help others avoid making contact with them, I try. For free.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce]Incorrect! It's not an urban legend.

There was a series of lawsuit all up and down Atlantic concerning this. Help has/had the right to refuse entry to whomever they wanted but not to a specific class. You can actually as a private owner say "I dont want that guy in my club" but you can never say " I dont want that GAY/Mulatto/Welder/.....nor GDP" They needed to be more subtle and were not. Think about it. The hilton does not say "No GDP's" They simply say "No Guests" ASK a Lawyer![/QUOTE]Come on. I couldn't count how many times I have witnessed in Brasil, in upper-end clubs, the bouncers (often themselves people of color) exclude people trying to get in on the basis of race.

Discrimination in clubs is a fact of life in Brasil.

admins, I appreciate if you can leave this post, or, if necessary edit it. The accusations have been on the board, I want people to read the rebuttals.


I have no clue why ExecTalent is embarking on a war against me, with all kinds of unproven allegations. I know there are well known people in the gringo tourist trade in Rio who are spreading similar lies, maybe he listened to them.

These people are actually miffed because I give free advice and thus claim I am getting kickbacks. While, of course, hiding that they get the usual commissions from businesses (no, the one at 500 Copacabana gives no commissions, except to touts that bring gringos in person and charge a surcharge)

I already reported ExecTalent's rants to the board administration, I hope they will take care of this.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]The free advice that you claim to offer so that you can places ads all over the internet touting the rooms you rent in your apartment is often worth just what people are paying for it.
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Thanks for doing advertising for my apartment rooms.

I enjoy helping people. Usually for free. Even the apartment stuff is mainly so I can have some fellow hobbyists around.

Check Rikkit2's posts:
* he stayed in another apartment, but was sorry he did not stay at mine, because mine was better but he did not know about it

* I took him on an 8 hour wh.re house trip. Well, "free is never free with guys like me" as you say. Ask him how much it cost him. Just savings.

* I introduced him to his favorite girl duo he spent 8 nights with.

* and all this free effort to push an apartment. Come on! Makes me wonder why you have this holy war agenda against me.


Of course, now your conspiracy theory machine will be grinding with new accusations of additional kickbacks from the girls and the 25 wh.ore houses we visited. I hope rikkkit2 reads this and reports about the argument I had with management getting his price down, off the gringo prices.


Have you watched me posting valuable info for over 15 years? Recently I am posting less but still answer plenty of questions

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
This is from a post in February 2009.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=845169#post845169[/url]

"She quoted the rates as 50 reals for 30 minutes, I think she said 70 for an hour and I am certain she said 100 reals for 2 hours."

Your "contact" says it is a misprint.
[/QUOTE]
If I was exploited by a slight overcharge, if I overpaid a little, that does not give you the right to invent phantastic conspiracy theories on how I could make a profit.

This story is strange, I agree. I will research further, you probably missed my post where I confirmed your ad prices and used this as an excuse to teach people how to find more escort ads. People like me invent all kinds of excuses just to make money LOL

I am sure you will now suspect that "O Dia" newspaper is giving me kickbacks. You are discovering all my secret sources of income, LOL

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
Did your "contact" promise to give you free sessions for posting their information all over the internet? Because that is just how guys like you operate. Free is never free with guys like you. There always is an angle.
[/QUOTE]

Guys like me:
I have 4 University degrees, 2 bachelor's, 2 master's, and an almost completed PhD. 3 of them are from University in the TOP50 of the world list, or the Top20 in the US.

I have reported on aproximately 35 cities in the world since this board was in its beginnings under a different name. Cities like Caicó RN, Porto Seguro BA, Porto Velho RO, small towns in MG, etc.

Other continents I posted under other names, so I will not quote them.

I have enough income not to need any room rental stuff, though additional cash is never unwelcome.

I have taken hundreds of people to little known places in Rio, and fought for them to get lower prices instead of the gringo surcharges.

That is guys like me.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
Incidentally, Gatinhas Copacabana (Namoraddinhas) ad with that pricing has appeared in [I]Meia Hora[/I] for awhile.

Many of us are here trying to help others have a good experience, not trying to rent crappy rooms in our shithole apartment or posting ads in exchange for discounts or freebees. We also do not have posts over many years which discuss "young" girls.

There are disgusting and revolting people in this world. If I can help others avoid making contact with them, I try. For free.[/QUOTE]

This is why you need to be reported. I think everyone understands what you are trying to allude between the lines. Now accusing someone of criminal activities, really this is way over the limit and against all rules of the board.

Even more so because I am known as the crazy guy who checks everyone's ID and sends 22 year old girls back home, if they forgot their ID. No matter if I have seen their ID before but they forgot to bring them along.

Anything wrong with liking young adult legal age girls?

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]
I have reported on aproximately 35 cities in the world since this board was in its beginnings [b]under a different name.[/b][/QUOTE]
Troll alert? Or troll feeding?

And what different name would that be?
The only credentials that mean squat are posting usable and useful information on finding women for paid sex. If that's what you and anyone else are doing, great. The rest is background noise.
Keep it short & sweet.

Azn:
Thanks for the update (Centro apartments post from 08-17-10). I remember going to a place in those buildings last december in which the session happened on a nice comfy hotel style bed. I think the prices were 60R=30mins and 100R=60mins. I had a great time with a 'ruiva' spinner. Would like to repeat but forgot the exact location? might it be this Mariana Massagem on the 12th floor? (which sounds about right)

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]admins, I appreciate if you can leave this post, or, if necessary edit it. The accusations have been on the board, I want people to read the rebuttals.
[/QUOTE]


What are you worried about? Nobody takes this guy seriously anymore; he's completely washed up here. He’s just an angry old man who has nothing else to do but put people down so he can feel better about himself.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Come on. I couldn't count how many times I have witnessed in Brasil, in upper-end clubs, the bouncers (often themselves people of color) exclude people trying to get in on the basis of race.

Discrimination in clubs is a fact of life in Brasil.[/QUOTE]

Name an instance they overtly said it. I never said it does not happen. But the case was real.....Sat in a meeting where it was discussed by counsel and just laughed.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce]Name an instance they overtly said it.[/QUOTE]You obviously never been in "redneck Brasil". Go in any uper-end club in Goiania and check if there's any people of color.

[QUOTE=Joe Shmoe]So what was so great about Help? I've never been but just curious as to how it was different from balcony and barbarellas. I hear the former Help girls frequent Balcony now. Was Help just a club version of balcony? Cause there's a club right next to it and its where the balcony crowd goes to dance.[/QUOTE]What was great about Help? The fantasy and the prices. You had GDPs who got their hair done, put on make-up, and got dressed up in their best clothing. You could take a GFE home for TLN for an average of R$150. Some would reach for R$200, but the absolute max would be R$300 (which I would never consider paying). And that was back in the almost 4-to-1 R$-US$ days. When you attempt to compare Balcony or Barbarellas you are talking about Walt Disney's Magic Kingdom compared to a two-bit traveling carnival. Like the guys are saying, if the favela rats were the last frequenters of Help, then I don't know what you can call the ones who frequent Balcony now. They are definitely on a lower scale. Most start off asking R$200/hr or R$400 TLN like they are upscale models. B*ch please! I have never seen one girl who I knew from Help up at Balcony. I guess they must have squared up. In each of the two places you would find totally different atmospheres and totally different attitudes.

Does anybody know the current where abouts and current situation of the owner of this tattoo?

As far as Help went I was there in October of 1989. It was full of GDPs and they were way more agressive and overtly open about their business then they were at the end of Help. They were even allowed to dance on the top of the speakers they would come up to you and grind on you, it was great. I returned to Help in 1994 it had tamed down some but still lots of GDPs. I did not return unti 1999 when I started to visit about three times per year until recently. It was not nearly as much fun in the last few years but it still was nice to go and watch the crowd.

[QUOTE=Prosal]You obviously never been in "redneck Brasil". Go in any uper-end club in Goiania and check if there's any people of color.[/QUOTE]

Dude, did I at any point say it does not happen? No I did not. None of them would ever state in open court that was the reason as several businesses did in the late 80's. Please STFU and stick to the fact that the case did happen and away from telling me where I have and have not been. To date, I have not been denied admission to any club in Brazil, argentina nor Dominican Republic. Europe and asia are different stories. I'm pretty sure the circles I travel in working for Citi was a lil more swanky than trolling in Copa

I have been in Help once a year in the last 3 years. I did not like it : ugly and pushy girls. Most men clearly looking for h*ookers. It was a "lowlife aquarium". Every time I walked out empty handed because none of the girls was attractive enough.
For the people that like low level w*hores, I recommend trucker bars in the via Dutra, in Nova Iguaçu, 40km from the center of Rio. One gets the same girls for 10% of the price. Many streetwalkers off the highway there, but mostly transvestites. You can do them in the back of your car if you want. Not my cup of tea.

I learned this lesson the hard way today. I had alot of running around i hd to do this week, so i wasnt able to swing by the vs store. Like an idiot i listened to some of the guys on this board who talked about being able to buy vs lotion in duty free for american prices. Do not buy VS in duty free!! you will pay Double the american prices. each bottle was 10-13 dollars a piece! no specials like in the states where you can get 5 botles for 25 bucks!!!

again, do not buy your vs in duty free unless you like throwing your money away!!

[QUOTE=Riofan6]Does anybody know the current where abouts and current situation of the owner of this tattoo?[/QUOTE]

me likey............

I'm friends with Luana Alvez. Went to club 6 with her some time ago. She said discrimination was pretty common place at the clubs in Rio. She said it was a bit better than in the past but that is does happen fairly regulary.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Troll alert? Or troll feeding?

And what different name would that be?

The only credentials that mean squat are posting usable and useful information on finding women for paid sex. If that's what you and anyone else are doing, great. The rest is background noise.

Keep it short & sweet.[/QUOTE]How about posting useful info on finding women for free sex? Background noise or will you tolerate that? Short enough?

[QUOTE=Rastaman]Obviously, you've been there more than a few times.[/QUOTE]
:) Ah yes ! My former girlfriend lived in Nova Iguaçu, and we drove in front of them many times.

[QUOTE=Brazilite]As far as Help went I was there in October of 1989. It was full of GDPs and they were way more agressive and overtly open about their business then they were at the end of Help. They were even allowed to dance on the top of the speakers they would come up to you and grind on you, it was great. I returned to Help in 1994 it had tamed down some but still lots of GDPs. I did not return unti 1999 when I started to visit about three times per year until recently. It was not nearly as much fun in the last few years but it still was nice to go and watch the crowd.[/QUOTE]

I think overtly SEXY is nice and can even be found among non pro in carnival or favela funk events.

It is in the Brazilian blood

What is new is totally professional exploitative attitude not wanting to deliver the goods and wanting to make ripoff money

[QUOTE=Fred100]I was there when help opened in the eighties. My wife and I had many a good night out in the eighties-early nineties. Later during the nineties until 2008, I would visit with clients and colleagues for one reason only(hookers). My wife and I re-visited 2007. (Even in her 50's my wife is a babe) she was getting heavy pressure in the ladies room, about minimal pricing and not to drink too much.

The sad thing was, yes help was (quasi) an area of free enterprise for the pros, until base economics started to play a part. If the girls were considered to be selling under the going Gringo rate prices, there would be repercussions for the girl. Bearing in mind towards the end of help, many of the girls had been selling their services earlier in the day for $R50 or less in VM or the like.[/QUOTE]

yes, nobody believes me, but I did the youngest and freshest Help girls (others I don't care about) for R$ 15 to R$ 55 in cheap parlors. Average R$ 25

Most of them worked there to get guaranteed income.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Troll alert? Or troll feeding?

And what different name would that be?
The only credentials that mean squat are posting usable and useful information on finding women for paid sex. If that's what you and anyone else are doing, great. The rest is background noise.
Keep it short & sweet.[/QUOTE]

Oh, my mistake, bad wording

This board had a different name, until the name was stolen and it became internationalsexguide.com
This is at least what I have heard .......

I meant to say I posted before the board was at this domain/url

All Brazilian stuff was always under my Brazil Specialist name. Only other places were under a different alias of mine.

[quote=mr enternational]

... i have never seen one girl who i knew from help up at balcony. i guess they must have squared up. in each of the two places you would find totally different atmospheres and totally different attitudes.[/quote]

i don't know, i have seen lots and lots of them right down to the chiclet girl. maybe they look different in that dump. really, they don't have that many places to go.

the spectacle is spilling over to the side walks and surroundings. just like helpee.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]I don't know, I have seen lots and lots of them right down to the chiclet girl.[/QUOTE]

Haha, The Chiclet girl needs a part on the next HBO Series, "Six Feet Under".

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]yes, nobody believes me, but I did the youngest and freshest Help girls (others I don't care about) for R$ 15 to R$ 55 in cheap parlors. Average R$ 25.[/QUOTE]If they're working in cheap parlors, they're not going to be young and fresh for long. Not unless you're finding them first thing in the morning on their 1st day on the job.

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]I have been in Help once a year in the last 3 years. I did not like it : ugly and pushy girls. Most men clearly looking for h*ookers. It was a "lowlife aquarium". Every time I walked out empty handed because none of the girls was attractive enough.
For the people that like low level w*hores, I recommend trucker bars in the via Dutra, in Nova Iguaçu, 40km from the center of Rio. One gets the same girls for 10% of the price. Many streetwalkers off the highway there, but mostly transvestites. You can do them in the back of your car if you want. Not my cup of tea.[/QUOTE]

Dude! Advice like this is not cool. There are plenty of places men can enjoy the company of lower class GDPS without hangin on the Via Dutra at night!! That could be a very dangerous experience. Also most guys do not want find transvestites, I believe this subject is not permitted on this forum.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]yes, nobody believes me, but I did the youngest and freshest Help girls (others I don't care about) for R$ 15 to R$ 55 in cheap parlors. Average R$ 25

Most of them worked there to get guaranteed income.[/QUOTE]






Man!!! I am sure your regular readers believe in your super powers. LOL!!! But I:m just reading so much BS!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-))

They are still tryinbg to play the old `hold part of your change as a tip trick`. This is third time they tried this one me. your bill is 278R, you pay 300R and the girl hands you 20R and walks away to handle another customer. I know its only 2R, but its still stealing!! Pisses me off because i am positive they dont try this shit with brasilians!!!

[QUOTE=Bravo]They are still tryinbg to play the old 'hold part of your change as a tip trick'. This is third time they tried this one me. Your bill is 278R, you pay 300R and the girl hands you 20R and walks away to handle another customer. I know its only 2R, but its still stealing! Pisses me off because I am positive they don't try this shit with brasilians![/QUOTE]hahaa they tried this on me also. They tried to keep 1R but I asked for it. The girl acted all pissed and slammed a 1R coin on the counter. What a hoe! I'll leave a tip if I liked the customer service. I gave 4R tip over at solarium.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]If they're working in cheap parlors, they're not going to be young and fresh for long. Not unless you're finding them first thing in the morning on their 1st day on the job.[/QUOTE]
Lol. I don't usually hear the word 'parlor' and Rio in the same sentence. But just on price, I've posted a good number of reports on VM girls both young and fresh. I've found young and fresh girls in 1R a min places in Centro as well, and still do, though admittedly less frequently. But those that know, know that. These days, if there was a 'reverse ignore' button I'd just send anything worth knowing to people like Sperto and PP who actually post anything worth reading. I suppose that's a smartarse comment - but that's what the Brasil board seems to be about these days.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Lol. I don't usually hear the word 'parlor' and Rio in the same sentence. But just on price, I've posted a good number of reports on VM girls both young and fresh. I've found young and fresh girls in 1R a min places in Centro as well, and still do, though admittedly less frequently. But those that know, know that. These days, if there was a 'reverse ignore' button I'd just send anything worth knowing to people like Sperto and PP who actually post anything worth reading. I suppose that's a smartarse comment - but that's what the Brasil board seems to be about these days.[/QUOTE]You'd have heard the word 'parlor' used before if you'd manage to read a few posts further down.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]You'd have heard the word 'parlor' used before if you'd manage to read a few posts further down.[/QUOTE]
Just by you and Brazil Specialist (who, together with other Americanisms, still spells Brasil the American rather than the Brasilian way). In the words of Led Zepplin, And it makes wonder. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Just by you and Brazil Specialist (who, together with other Americanisms, still spells Brasil the American rather than the Brasilian way). In the words of Led Zepplin, And it makes wonder. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfinho]You'd have heard the word 'parlor' used before if you'd manage to read a few posts further down.[/QUOTE]

Golfino,
Out of curiosity, I just did a search on the term [B]“massage parlor.”[/B] I found 70 hits including posts by such veterans as El Austraiaco, Lorenzo, Sui Generis. However, this probably won’t mean a thing to Christopherd as he seems to just want to beat you down over trivia.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Just by you and Brazil Specialist (who, together with other Americanisms, still spells Brasil the American rather than the Brasilian way). In the words of Led Zepplin, And it makes wonder. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]LOL. I 'reused' it. Brazilspecialist deserves all the honors for having introduced 'parlor' into this discourse, which has clearly tickled your fancy. If you have nothing to do but wonder, well, have it. (roll eyes).

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Out of curiosity, I just did a search on the term [B]“massage parlor.”[/B] I found 70 hits including posts by such veterans as El Austraiaco, Lorenzo, Sui Generis. However, this probably won’t mean a thing to Christopherd as he seems to just want to beat you down over trivia.[/QUOTE]
ROFL. Nice one, Poucolouco - I'll hand that to you. As the board seems to be about nothing but trivia and beating people down over trivia anyway, I was just joining in. ;) No hard feelings.

[QUOTE=Bravo]They are still tryinbg to play the old `hold part of your change as a tip trick`. This is third time they tried this one me. your bill is 278R, you pay 300R and the girl hands you 20R and walks away to handle another customer. I know its only 2R, but its still stealing!! Pisses me off because i am positive they dont try this shit with brasilians!!![/QUOTE]That Oriental woman that us to be there would always beg for money.

Many of us are here trying to help others have a good experience, not trying to rent crappy rooms in our shithole apartment or posting ads in exchange for discounts or freebees. We also do not have posts over many years which discuss "young" girls.

. And getting caught up on the thread.

Brazil Specialist's accommodations are better than anything I have seen yet from the three apartment rental agencies I checked out so far. I don't have the experience to make a general declarative statement, but they are pretty nice. I will consider staying there if I am going to hunt on the beach.

Brazil Specialist did good by me when we went slumming in Copa and other locations. His mongering thesis statement is "natural breasts that don't sag, nice tummy". That generally means 18-23 year olds, no kids, although his regulars range up to 30. So yes, he is biased towards the younger crowd. We found enough diamonds in the rough to keep a monger happy on a limited budget. Unfortunately, the rooms/bathrooms varied from decent to "this sucks! ". Yes, we really packed sheets and towels. Overall I had fun and went places I would have not otherwise gone.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Just by you and Brazil Specialist (who, together with other Americanisms, still spells Brasil the American rather than the Brasilian way). In the words of Led Zepplin, And it makes wonder. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

This board really is getting into Trivia.

I spell Brazil the American English way on an American/English board, and the Brazilian way on a Brazilian board. Should I do it the other way around?

Ever bothered to spell check Brasil on Microsoft Word Brazilian version, language settings US English? It suggests to repair it to Brazil or Basil. "Brasil" is WRONG in English, sorry to tell you that.

Claro que poderiamos mudar as nossas reportagens e falar tudo em português. Não tem problema. Não sei se todos iriam entender. Creio que seriam um problema.

Our beloved board spells Brazil the English Way

InternationalSexGuide > South America > Brazil > Rio de Janeiro Reports

I wonder if the Philippines board spells it Pilipinas? Or the Greek section spells it Ελλάς. Or the Thai board:
thailand - ประเทศไทย (pratheṣ̄thịy). Or Deutschland, the deutsche way, for our FKK friends.

Anyone bother to find out? I think I know the answer already. Maybe ChristopherD should visit these country section boards to help members straight to correct their ways.

Maybe we need to find ways to translate "shithole apartment" too? Interestingly, the Brazilian Board calls the cheap apartment and street scene "area trash".

Should I talk about "casas de massagem" in the future? What would be the officially aproved wording for "massage parlor"?

From what I remember, ChristopherD usually is a productive poster.


Can't we focus on girls, travel and other interesting issues?

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]This board really is getting into Trivia.


Ever bothered to spell check Brasil on Microsoft Word Brazilian version, language settings US English? It suggests to repair it to Brazil or Basil. "Brasil" is WRONG in English, sorry to tell you that.

Claro que poderiamos mudar as nossas reportagens e falar tudo em português. Não tem problema. Não sei se todos iriam entender. Creio que seriam um problema.

Our beloved board spells Brazil the English Way

[/QUOTE]
Well

I do not want to enter this war, but I have to correct you.

Brasil is correct spelling in english. Brazil is correct spelling in american english.

Claro que podemos continuar em portugues. Vamos nessa.

I noticed some items were stolen from my bag on my recent trip to Rio. Nothing expensive since I carry those items onboard. It might be a good idea to start inventorying items in your bag and check to make sure everything is there before leaving the airport. If not, file a claim at the baggage claim office. They speak English (or is it inglês?).

Also after coming back to the US, I noticed that several containers inside my bag which had been sealed were opened. Nothing taken so I assume it was done by security.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I noticed some items were stolen from my bag on my recent trip to Rio. Nothing expensive since I carry those items onboard. It might be a good idea to start inventorying items in your bag and check to make sure everything is there before leaving the airport. If not, file a claim at the baggage claim office. They speak English (or is it inglês?).

Also after coming back to the US, I noticed that several containers inside my bag which had been sealed were opened. Nothing taken so I assume it was done by security.[/QUOTE]How recent was your trip and which ports of entry? What kind of items were stolen? I never pack non-essential things in my check-in lugguage. I had a used netbook in my checked lugguage because I couldn't fit in my carry on which had the more important laptop and cameras. But nothing was stolen. I took photos of my open suitcase just in case. I am currently in Rio but I entered Brazil in Sao Paulo.

As for coming back into the US sounds like TCA bastards. Maybe your containers held liquids and they opened them after noticing them on the x-ray.

[QUOTE=Perkele] I do not want to enter this war, but I have to correct you.

Brasil is correct spelling in english. Brazil is correct spelling in american english.

Claro que podemos continuar em portugues. Vamos nessa.[/QUOTE]
The British Foreign Office, the Times, the Economist and the Oxford English dictionary (World English version) all use "Brazil". Where I live, there is always a mix of British and American spellings and usages, and we have to keep track of which is which - it is always spelled with a "Z" in English.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]This board really is getting into Trivia.

I spell Brazil the American English way on an American/English board, [/QUOTE]"a nice area, well-appointed, and the owner is a decent bloke, well tuned to mongering requirements."

Christoferd is either English, or else he speaks in tongues.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I noticed some items were stolen from my bag on my recent trip to Rio. Nothing expensive since I carry those items onboard. It might be a good idea to start inventorying items in your bag and check to make sure everything is there before leaving the airport. If not, file a claim at the baggage claim office. They speak English (or is it inglês?).

Also after coming back to the US, I noticed that several containers inside my bag which had been sealed were opened. Nothing taken so I assume it was done by security.[/QUOTE]


Good advice by ET so I thought I'd quote it. ;)

No, I'm not English or American, but I can speak the former pretty well, both colloquially and BBC. ;) I spell Brasil the Brasililan way out of respect. Another bastion that was stolen by economic occupiers. I'm tickled pink that someone went and looked it up in all those places thinking that Brasil might be the English spelling. Careful Golfinho - if you quote my Cambodian posts you'll have BR.Specialist speaking Khmer no doubt. But at least you can see I engage helpfully on forums where politeness and relevant information still reigns. Now if BS&ET have had enough squabbling I'll go back to sleep. {Summer sun soon be here . . . sleepy smiley}

I have also had crap stolen from my bags upon arrival in Rio. Lost a crappy $25 mobile phone, a good multi purpose pen knife $50, and a couple of bottles of victorias secrets stuff. I am thinking they were stolen in Brazil rather than the Miami side because you wouldn't think an American would risk his job for beat up second goods to the value of less than $100. The airport in Rio is very corrupt, many holes in the security.

In English, Brazil is spelt with a Z, this is an English speaking board hence that is the appropriate way to spell it. No one is going to get upset if it is spelled the Brazilian Portuguese way ie with an s, however with a Z is definitely correct.

I found it very funny.... that a monger going to Brazil-Brasil :D where he will pay hookers, eating at restaurants, staying in hotel or expensive flats at very expensive total final bill.... is so cheap Charlie he really has to save 10 fucking bucks at airport to have his suitcases closed in the film-nylon ( sorry I do not know how to call it correctly ) ?

I am pretty sure they are not gonna to cut it and even if they do, you have insurance that pays you until something of 3-400 euro if they steal something, so if they rob you cheap stuff, you are gonna probably to earn money too, declaring they steal you more expensive stuff.

I always use it and I never had my suitcase opened in 16 years of travelling in all the world, but I also saw that only 5-10% of suitcases had it.

Be wiser: drink 2 caipirinha less and invest better your 10$ LOL

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I found it very funny.... that a monger going to Brazil-Brasil :D where he will pay hookers, eating at restaurants, staying in hotel or expensive flats at very expensive total final bill.... is so cheap Charlie he really has to save 10 fucking bucks at airport to have his suitcases closed in the film-nylon ( sorry I do not know how to call it correctly ) ?

I am pretty sure they are not gonna to cut it and even if they do, you have insurance that pays you until something of 3-400 euro if they steal something, so if they rob you cheap stuff, you are gonna probably to earn money too, declaring they steal you more expensive stuff.

I always use it and I never had my suitcase opened in 16 years of travelling in all the world, but I also saw that only 5-10% of suitcases had it.

Be wiser: drink 2 caipirinha less and invest better your 10$ LOL[/QUOTE]
Lukasek,

The issue for those traveling in the US is that all luggage is subject to being opened and inspected. If it is locked (or wrapped) security can break the lock or unwrap it in order to examine the contents.

In the Rio international airport they offer the wrapping service. However, unless someone knows differently, it is not offered in US airports.

It used to be that Transportation Security Administration (TSA) personnel in the US would put an official looking document inside your luggage when they inspected it. I used to save them for future trips and put them on top of my luggage contents in hopes that they would see it and think it already had been inspected.

In Atlanta this trip an inspector opened and was going through the contents of someone's luggage (without them being present) right next to the luggage carousel after her cute little dog indicated she should take a look.

[QUOTE]
The issue for those traveling in the US is that all luggage is subject to being opened and inspected. If it is locked (or wrapped) security can break the lock or unwrap it in order to examine the contents.
[/QUOTE]

What they have is locks for your luggage or straps that have locks on them that are TSA approved. You know the combination but the TSA knows the master combination. If you use this then the TSA can open your bags and inspect if they want and then re-lock your suitcase. This way when your bag gets to Rio then most likely the people who work in the Rio airport woulld be less likely to open your bag and steal from it since it would be locked.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]What they have is locks for your luggage or straps that have locks on them that are TSA approved. You know the combination but the TSA knows the master combination. If you use this then the TSA can open your bags and inspect if they want and then re-lock your suitcase. This way when your bag gets to Rio then most likely the people who work in the Rio airport woulld be less likely to open your bag and steal from it since it would be locked.[/QUOTE]
I purposefully was comparing a regular lock to plastic wrapping since there is no TSA combination for the plastic wrapping (see how that is like a regular lock?). I guess sometimes you really have to spell everything out for some members of this forum.

BTW, my bet is that the thieves at the Rio airport probably had the master combination before many TSAs in the US.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
... In the Rio international airport they offer the wrapping service. However, unless someone knows differently, it is not offered in US airports ...

[/QUOTE]


It's very commonly done in the Miami airport. Almost US :)

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I purposefully was comparing a regular lock to plastic wrapping since there is no TSA combination for the plastic wrapping (see how that is like a regular lock?). I guess sometimes you really have to spell everything out for some members of this forum.

BTW, my bet is that the thieves at the Rio airport probably had the master combination before many TSAs in the US.[/QUOTE]

Well, it's too bad they stole from you, they probably realized what kind of a guy you are.

Since this has become a forum on trivia, airport security and spelling, I thought I would add my two centavos.

It is unlikely the stuff gets stolen from bags on entry. The transfer is pretty direct from the plane to the bag belt. Some airports scan bags on entry, but that is a straight orward process, too many people around and no time to screw around with the bags. It is more likely to happen at the check-in airport or a connecting airport where the bags go into holding, sometimes for hours. Another good opportunity is in the belly of the plane while loading. They hang around there a long time waiting for various baggage deliveries. The problem with that is they have to be very selective -- can't carry off a bag of goods.

My bet would be Miami if you connected there. In fact, a few years back they busted a ring of baggage handlers there that were going through bags big time. Major offending airports, according to some reports I have read are Miami, JFK and Logan. What a surprise. New York, Miami and Boston.

As far as making a claim for lost items, you have to read the fine print for your airline. I learned the hard way that if they entirely lose your bag on an international flight, the international air agreement only requires that you are paid by the pound (or kilo). Something like $.43/pound back then. Don't know what it is now and it doesn't matter what kind of pictures you have taken. They have some discretion in the matter, so it might help you to negotiate, but their legal obligation in this case is very limited.

As far as spelling, I suspect that without a spell checker, most of you wankers couldn't spell cat if spotted a c and t. But you can spell pussy in eight different languages. LOL.

Now I think I'll do something more entertaining like go watch some ice cubes melt.

Gentlemen.

I have a video that I took in Galeao airport in Rio de Janeiro where the customs officials were opening systematically the luggage and going through them.

I was waiting for my own bag, coming from Belem, and the door to handling area was ajar. Since it took lot of time for the luggage to arrive I went by the door and saw that they were opening the suitcases and going through the stuff.

Absolutely non official thing to do, since the actual checking point is AFTER you retrieve your bag.

So its not the luggage handling stuff, but officials that are doing it.

I never did anything with the video since I live here and I could get into real trouble by releasing such information.

So, its like everything else here. Don't put anything in your bags you are not willing to lose.

Since that incident I have only clothes and personal toiletries in my suitcase. Rest goes in my hand bag.

My 2 centavos.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Well, it's too bad they stole from you, they probably realized what kind of a guy you are.[/QUOTE]
That's going to leave a mark!

Does anyone know of a reasonably priced genuine massage place? Perhaps in centro or zona norte. Having lived in Asia for many years I really miss a genuine good massage. I have come accross a few in Copa and Ipanema but the quality is bad and price R$ 80+ ie absurd.

The longer I live in Brazil the cheaper I get!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]That's going to leave a mark![/QUOTE]

OK Chubbs.

Not sure if this was posted already.

Exposing Brasil
[url]www.greezefilms.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Does anyone know of a reasonably priced genuine massage place? Perhaps in centro or zona norte. Having lived in Asia for many years I really miss a genuine good massage. I have come accross a few in Copa and Ipanema but the quality is bad and price R$ 80+ ie absurd.

The longer I live in Brazil the cheaper I get![/QUOTE]There are plenty of places in the 50 reale range. Many in the bigger 'salons de beleza' have genuine massage on the menu, also shiatsu and others. There are two in the big shopping center on the corner of Siq Campos and Barata Ribiero.

[QUOTE=Madd Love]Not sure if this was posted already.

Exposing Brasil

[url]www.greezefilms.com[/url][/QUOTE]Ugh. let's hope this doesn't find its way into a discusion on an ISG forum. 'nuff said.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Does anyone know of a reasonably priced genuine massage place? Perhaps in centro or zona norte. Having lived in Asia for many years I really miss a genuine good massage. I have come accross a few in Copa and Ipanema but the quality is bad and price R$ 80+ ie absurd.

The longer I live in Brazil the cheaper I get![/QUOTE]

They set up on the beach in Ipanema near posto nove and give massages there on weekends when the weather is good. They bring in a professional table and at least look like they know what they are doing. Don't know the quality, but the price quoted seemed ok -- can't remember exactly what it was.

I am sure of one thing, it won't be what you were used to in SE Asia. Particularly the traditional Thai massage. You need those little Thai girls to do that right. Hurts so good.

I am sure you know the lady in L'uomo too but that is expensive. I have never been tempted to try that either.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]They set up on the beach in Ipanema near posto nove and give massages there on weekends when the weather is good. They bring in a professional table and at least look like they know what they are doing. Don't know the quality, but the price quoted seemed ok -- can't remember exactly what it was.

I am sure of one thing, it won't be what you were used to in SE Asia. Particularly the traditional Thai massage. You need those little Thai girls to do that right. Hurts so good.

I am sure you know the lady in L'uomo too but that is expensive. I have never been tempted to try that either.[/QUOTE]

Having spent the last 7 years in Rio I am very aware of the beach massage situation. What I am looking for is good quality, reasonably priced massages. Anything purchased on the beach, is generally neither. I was hoping somebody would know of an out of the way place, possibly in centro or Zona Norte. Anything in Zona Sul tends to be expensive on a relative scale.

I'd second Bubba's request - if anyone has first hand experience (as opposed to seeing ads etc) of first rate massage. Whenever I've tried a massage in Brasil it has been poor. And the beach ones are worse than poor. I'm even wondering if there is a foreign quarter, maybe in BH or SP even, where someone actually knows what they're doing. I'm going to ask a couple of people I can think of before I do my next long tour.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Having spent the last 7 years in Rio I am very aware of the beach massage situation. What I am looking for is good quality, reasonably priced massages. Anything purchased on the beach, is generally neither. I was hoping somebody would know of an out of the way place, possibly in centro or Zona Norte. Anything in Zona Sul tends to be expensive on a relative scale.[/QUOTE]corner of Siq. Campos and Bar. Ribeiro, in the Apart-Hotel building, 2nd and 3rd floors. due to disc issue, I find these places. on 3rd floor, just to right at top of escalator. also: there are some good ones to be found that are provided by Japanese, traditional style in Zona Sul. (also in this building, there is a place to get your travel 'shots'. fast and easy, no appointments)

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Does anyone know of a reasonably priced genuine massage place?[/QUOTE]
In March I visited three centro casas offering massage. They were not ordinary puteiros as penetration wasn't really on the menú. Just massage and a HJ (BJ at extra cost) (penetration negotiable with some of the ladies).
Maybe those ladies knows how to give a decent massage?

* Rua Senador Dantas 117, Sala 117: R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/40 min
* Avenida Presidente Vargas 482, Sala 914: R$ 70/60 min
* Avenida Rio Branco 156, Edificio Central, Sala 1228: R$ 60/60 min

Hey Guys,
Can someone tell me where to get the coupons for the Solarium discuentas? They used to be on their website but I don't see it anymore. Or don't you need the coupons anymore. Is it just on Mondays? Many thanks!

Guys coming down for the Labor Day holiday, be prepared for limited talent this Monday and Tuesday. Tuesday is a major holiday and I can already confirm that the Centro massage places will be closed. The receptionist of 181/#801 told me they won't re-open until Wednesday!

If you have phone numbers of GDPs, start the process of locking in a date for Tuesday.

I am not sure of the status of the Termas. 4x4 and places located in Centro most likely will be close on Tuesday. The Zona Sul ones catering to the tourist crowd might be open.

Good Luck to all.

GOOD News.

Just went on their website and they say on Sept 7 - they operate as usual.

[QUOTE=Doc Bill]Hey Guys,
Can someone tell me where to get the coupons for the Solarium discuentas? They used to be on their website but I don't see it anymore. Or don't you need the coupons anymore. Is it just on Mondays? Many thanks![/QUOTE]
You have to send them an email to get the coupon via email:

[url]http://www.solarium.com.br/festadointernauta.php[/url]

I think the coupon is for a 30-40R discount on admission, and your bill won't count towards the 800R frequent fuckers program for a free admission.

Thanks, Benjoe,

And what if you plan to meet with them outside the terma. Is there a going rate?

Trip report aug/sept 2010

Let me start off by saying that things have changed for the worse. Sorry mongers, but brazil is no longer a cheap destination. Everything was more expensive. Went through money like water, and I had a budget of 250 a day! The only good thing was the subway. I saved plenty taking the subway to centro every night.

The termas were still great. I tried to save money by trying some of the other termas in centro, but they were complete TRASH. There is a reason why the same 5 or 6 termas are mentioned here over and over. 4x4 and luomo were the best for this trip. There is a girl with braces at luomo that has a legit 10 for a body. Could be in playboy. 20 years old. The termas are now no smoking which made it so much more enjoyable. 4x4 dumped the restaurant upstairs and put more rooms. I missed taking girls up there before fucking. Anyway, you can expect to pay about 270 reals for one gir/room/entrance. That is going to be your average when you visit all 6. Thats 150 dollars at the current 1. 80 rate. My advice to anyone coming to brazil is to bring 300 a day MINIMUM. 250 was not near enough. My rankings this trip: 44-luomo-monte carlo-solarium-terma65 and Cancun was last.

Nightlife really sucks since help closed. I went to balcony for the first couple nights and never went again the rest of the trip. The place sucks! The club upstairs is tiny. The girls are fugly! I decided to try barbarellas and the club across the street from them. It was better than balcony, but still too expensive. The good looking girls were asking a minimum of 300 reals plus the bar fine and entrance fee. I decided after 3 nights that I would just go to termas every night and try to get numbers. Unfortunately, the good looking girls are no longer meeting after work for 200 reals. I couldn't close any deals at that price.

If money is no object, than brazil is still the best place to monger. If you are on a budget, I say pick a new place. I think its time that I try Colombia. The girls are knockouts and it has to be cheaper than brazil. I asssume 250 a day will get me 3 girls a night there.

[QUOTE=Helprules]
... If money is no object, than brazil is still the best place to monger. If you are on a budget, I say pick a new place. I think its time that I try Colombia. The girls are knockouts and it has to be cheaper than brazil. day will get me ...[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the report.
Good info.

Just curious though, how do you know that Brazil is still the best place to monger if you haven't even been to other places like Colombia??

By the way, I do agree with you.
Though I dig Colombia and have been there countless times, I easily rate Brazil as the best, mainly due to the attitude and energy of the Brasileiras ... and ... if you can make contacts and stay away from touristy, high end places, Brazil doesn't have to break the bank.

Ate mais .... :)

[QUOTE=Helprules]Trip report aug/sept 2010
If money is no object, than brazil is still the best place to monger. If you are on a budget, I say pick a new place. I think its time that I try Colombia. The girls are knockouts and it has to be cheaper than brazil. I asssume 250 a day will get me 3 girls a night there.[/QUOTE]You must learn the art of negotiation. Don't ever agree w/the first price you hear. I've bargained R300's down to R200. I almost always get R200's for R150 (and that's a whole night and morning). And R150's can be had for R100/night. Easy. And bring some little gifts for your favorite girls (lotions, perfume, lingerie) and watch how far they go the extra mile. But always negotiate with a smile and if they don't budge just say, "No obrigado bebe" and walk away. Within one minute she'll either change her mind or you'll find another one willing to take your dinheiro. But NEVER go w/the first quote!

As for Colombia you are way off. I just returned from Medellin and had gorgeous Paisas for 30-50 COP (Colombian Pesos). That's about US$15-25! One night I went crazy and had six lovely ladies ranging from 18 to 26 y/o. No bullet or stab wounds either, all Bonitas. Colombia is absolutely the best bang for buck right now. Mainly because most Gringo's are scared to go, so the pricing is low. But Rio girls are just as beautiful, if not more, and give the best GFE hands down.

Hi Helprules and others,

It depends. That would be my answer. I am not such a fan of the Termas anymore. I have been to a few (in Rio) and 4x4 is the one I visit once, every time I am in Rio. But just once. Termas are not the best deal IMO. I do not understand why they have gotten so expensive. In a country like Germany, where the average wages are 3x to 10x that of the Brazilians, a german FKK offers MUCH better value for money. Really MUCH MUCH better. Believe me, I know. For 50 Euro entrance (Düsseldorf/Köln area) you get free drinks, food and entrance ALL day. 1 hour in a (nice and clean) room, with an lady of your choice (stunner can be found), can often be arranged for Euro 75.

IMHO if you have an apartment in Rio, the best deal are the escorts. Besides the obvious ones (Karla and Scort which will cost you some 150-170 for 2 hours including taxi) there are some really good ones where nice ladies (7-9 score) will stay 2 hours for 250 R$. I know no place in Europe or the USA which offers anything close to this. I think Brazil still offers the best there.

For instance this one is not bad: [url]www.vipgoldrj.com[/url]. There are plenty others like that in Rio.

I personally think that spending 2 hours in my apartment with a very nice and good looking 22 year old (as I have met from such agencies) is a great deal.

Dutch44


[QUOTE=Helprules]Trip report aug/sept 2010

Let me start off by saying that things have changed for the worse. Sorry mongers, but brazil is no longer a cheap destination. Everything was more expensive. Went through money like water, and I had a budget of 250 a day! The only good thing was the subway. I saved plenty taking the subway to centro every night.

The termas were still great. I tried to save money by trying some of the other termas in centro, but they were complete TRASH. There is a reason why the same 5 or 6 termas are mentioned here over and over. 4x4 and luomo were the best for this trip. There is a girl with braces at luomo that has a legit 10 for a body. Could be in playboy. 20 years old. The termas are now no smoking which made it so much more enjoyable. 4x4 dumped the restaurant upstairs and put more rooms. I missed taking girls up there before fucking. Anyway, you can expect to pay about 270 reals for one gir/room/entrance. That is going to be your average when you visit all 6. Thats 150 dollars at the current 1. 80 rate. My advice to anyone coming to brazil is to bring 300 a day MINIMUM. 250 was not near enough. My rankings this trip: 44-luomo-monte carlo-solarium-terma65 and Cancun was last.

If money is no object, than brazil is still the best place to monger. If you are on a budget, I say pick a new place. I think its time that I try Colombia. The girls are knockouts and it has to be cheaper than brazil. I asssume 250 a day will get me 3 girls a night there.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps another topic but....

where I do think Brazil is getting worse, is that the WGs are getting fatter every year I travel to Brazil!

Personally I like thin body types. To me that is a whole lot more sexy than those overweight 1m65 tall ladies who weigh 70+ Kilos as I am seeing more and more.

The first time I was ever in Brazil I still saw many thin, elegant and sexy ladies.

Now (2010) it seems the western consumerism life style (eat, buy things you dont need and then eat more) is really THE thing now. I know this is a personal thing and some of you may like you garotas big (gorda) but I am not one of them.

I think Obesity is really becoming a BIG problem in Brazil. I see the trend in the Termas, Escorts, the beach, everywhere.

Anytone else who agrees or sees this trend...or am I the only one?

Dutch44



[QUOTE=Helprules]Trip report aug/sept 2010

Let me start off by saying that things have changed for the worse...

[/QUOTE]

Lots of complaints on how worse things have become in Brazil.

Brazil is so expensive now? Ten years ago, in the early 2000, everything was much cheaper...
Funny, ten years ago there were a lot of complaints on how Brazil was much cheaper in the early nineties.

Brazil isn't cheap. However it's up to you how expensive it will be. Get a good deal renting an apartment, use bus/metro, buy sex in centro, eat at cheap restaurants etc.
Want to save more money? Leave Rio and enjoy other cities in Brazil. The other cities have also become more expensive but the living will be cheaper than in Rio.

Copacabana have become boring after Help closed? Propably, if you're a Copa-monger. Skip Balcony and try Centro.

I don't see the point of complaining on how Brazil has changed. If Brazil doesn't suit you anymore, stay home or choose another destination.

Judging by the very few good reports on Rio the last year it seems that sex tourism have gone down. The forum have become a battlefield between besserwissers and Rio-experts acting aggressive attacking other posters. This attitude will only lead to less valuable posts in the forum and more info exchange by PMs.

[QUOTE=Helprules]Trip report aug/sept 2010

Let me start off by saying that things have changed for the worse. Sorry mongers, but brazil is no longer a cheap destination. Everything was more expensive. Went through money like water, and I had a budget of 250 a day![/QUOTE]Come on over to Pattaya brother. We will be happy to have you. $250 will get you through 3 days at the very least.

Nice apartment with cold a/c: US$20/day
Rented scooter to get around on: US$6/day
Plate of Thai food to fill your belly: US$1.15
vc gosta de fresh suco?: US$.50

....and at least 10 clubs just like Help filled to capacity with no cover charge and women that will go with you for US$30 (normal rate, doesn't even need to be discussed) until you decide to put them out.

Hmmm. That adds up to almost $58. Better throw in another $30 garota (or 3 $10 ones) to bring it to $88/day!

Oh. And the gratitude shown by the girl the next day after you give her the $30 for TLN when she smiles, puts her hands together, bows, and tells you, "khop khun khaaaa" (thank you): PRICELESS.

[QUOTE=Sperto]
Judging by the very few good reports on Rio the last year it seems that sex tourism have gone down. The forum have become a battlefield between besserwissers and Rio-experts acting aggressive attacking other posters. This attitude will only lead to less valuable posts in the forum and more info exchange by PMs.[/QUOTE]

besserwisser German. Meaning "knowing better". And that's exactly what it refers to, like the more common "smart ass" or "wise ass", or even "smart elick" (smart aleck). A besserwisser - or wise ass - is a person, often intellectual, or at least pseudo-intellectual, who thinks he or she has more general knowledge about things than most others. It can be correcting language mistakes in grammar and spelling, or it can be within a specific topic like everything from politics, geography and baseball to history and science - anything you can imagine!

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I found it very funny.... that a monger going to Brazil-Brasil :D where he will pay hookers, eating at restaurants, staying in hotel or expensive flats at very expensive total final bill.... is so cheap Charlie he really has to save 10 fucking bucks at airport to have his suitcases closed in the film-nylon ( sorry I do not know how to call it correctly ) ?

I am pretty sure they are not gonna to cut it and even if they do, you have insurance that pays you until something of 3-400 euro if they steal something, so if they rob you cheap stuff, you are gonna probably to earn money too, declaring they steal you more expensive stuff.

I always use it and I never had my suitcase opened in 16 years of travelling in all the world, but I also saw that only 5-10% of suitcases had it.

Be wiser: drink 2 caipirinha less and invest better your 10$ LOL[/QUOTE]

I was out at JFK international airport this morning terminal 4 where Tam leaves from. They had 2 spots doing this plastic wrap around the suitcases for 3 prices, $9, 12 and 38. If TSA opens it then they rewrap for free, the more expensive wraps include insurance where if anything is stolen or damaged they pay for it.

After that I took the train to Penn station NY. Brasil day was going on in NY, I followed 6 asses from 34th street to 46th street, since it was NY I wished it was even overpriced Copacabana but it wasn't. It was just some fine ass and me being invisable.

Helprules: maybe it's time to change your name. Good post and real, I will be in Rio soon and have increased my daily budget to minimum $400 a day, some days I do more, some days I do less, so it's average.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Jud. The forum have become a battlefield between besserwissers and Rio-experts acting aggressive attacking other posters. This attitude will only lead to less valuable posts in the forum and more info exchange by PMs.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with Sperto, there needs to be less arguing amongst some of the guys that have been here forever. There is zero point to it!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]

Oh. And the gratitude shown by the girl the next day after you give her the $30 for TLN when she smiles, puts her hands together, bows, and tells you, "khop khun khaaaa" (thank you): PRICELESS.[/QUOTE]You could be a king in Pattaya. A Pattaya King! is that priceless or what?

Is Rio played out? is everything the same, old scene? get away for a while. you can always come back.

I just happen to return from a trip to Rio de Janeiro and the trips are just getting better and better. The women were smoking hot, the sex was without parallel and the value was unquestionably without comparison. The problem in this forum is that if I dare report some of the deeds that were done, some of you will definitely hate what I did and how I did it.

What I can tell everyone here of the situation on the ground as I observed it was:
1. Balcony was a a big rip off. The girls were not of the same caliber that could be found at Help when it was open. Even though I did not like Help, at least it was a viable option for the late night.

2. The best bang for the buck is found in the Centro, Barra de Tijuca, Largo de Machado and many other spots around the city. I takes some searching, but there are plenty of 8's and 9's and from time to time some 10's hanging out at these places. The prices ranged from 1 real a minute to 2 reals a minute (60 reals to 120 real per hour). The service was always outstanding.

3. I spent a lot of time in my favorite Terma: 4 X 4. There hasn't been a price increase since my last trip, which was surprising, but the place was relatively speaking empty. On Thursdays and Fridays it gets more crowded, but from segunda to quarta feria it was really empty. Still, lots of choices available from the extra super thin, to the most voluptuos brickhouses anyone could wish. The service and value there were always beyond reproach.

There were rumors about a new "Help like" disco opening in Copacabana very soon. Until it is up and running, IMHO I believe it is part of the mythology that makes Rio such an awesome place.

There is no one twisting anyone's arm into spending their hard earned cash. The catch is to know the difference between "value" and getting robbed blind. I like getting my money's worth, plain and simple. I still find that there really is nowhere that offers what this city, this country has to offer in comparison to the many other places that I've had the priviledge of visiting. Needless to say, I will be back. Soon :D
[QUOTE=Sperto]Lots of complaints on how worse things have become in Brazil.

Brazil is so expensive now? Ten years ago, in the early 2000, everything was much cheaper...
Funny, ten years ago there were a lot of complaints on how Brazil was much cheaper in the early nineties.

Brazil isn't cheap. However it's up to you how expensive it will be. Get a good deal renting an apartment, use bus/metro, buy sex in centro, eat at cheap restaurants etc.
Want to save more money? Leave Rio and enjoy other cities in Brazil. The other cities have also become more expensive but the living will be cheaper than in Rio.

Copacabana have become boring after Help closed? Propably, if you're a Copa-monger. Skip Balcony and try Centro.

I don't see the point of complaining on how Brazil has changed. If Brazil doesn't suit you anymore, stay home or choose another destination.

Judging by the very few good reports on Rio the last year it seems that sex tourism have gone down. The forum have become a battlefield between besserwissers and Rio-experts acting aggressive attacking other posters. This attitude will only lead to less valuable posts in the forum and more info exchange by PMs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dutch44]Perhaps another topic but....

where I do think Brazil is getting worse, is that the WGs are getting fatter every year I travel to Brazil!

Personally I like thin body types. To me that is a whole lot more sexy than those overweight 1m65 tall ladies who weigh 70+ Kilos as I am seeing more and more.

The first time I was ever in Brazil I still saw many thin, elegant and sexy ladies.

Now (2010) it seems the western consumerism life style (eat, buy things you dont need and then eat more) is really THE thing now. I know this is a personal thing and some of you may like you garotas big (gorda) but I am not one of them.

I think Obesity is really becoming a BIG problem in Brazil. I see the trend in the Termas, Escorts, the beach, everywhere.

Anytone else who agrees or sees this trend...or am I the only one?

Dutch44[/QUOTE]I've been traveling to and from Brazil since the seventies. Yes I would tend to agree, definitely a bit more meat on the bones. Many, especially the local guys do seem to prefer this trend.

Here is a list of some of the cheap termas in centro that I tried: terma 21, terma 31, terma 502, terma 81. Each one was worse than the next. If anyone here thinks any of those termas are decent, we will never be on the same page. These places are also filthy! I didn't fly 13 hours to go to some dump with not one 5 or higher in the place. I found 2 10's at luomo and 2 10's at 4x4 this trip. These girls wouldn't be caught dead in these cheaper termas.

Mr E, I don't think I can handle the flight to Thailand. It is just too far. Also, I love latin women. Asian girls are just too thin for me. I like the brickhouses that seem to grow on trees in Brazil and Colombia.

Ricker, How do I know that Rio is the best? I find it hard to believe that any place in this world can compare to the termas. It is heaven on earth. To be 100% that I am right, I will go to Colombia next year. It's a done deal. I am going to finally take my panties off and go. I will be back with a report to compare.

I heard from two sources that a new club that is meant to replace Help was going to open in Barra. I believe the name of the club is The Pier. Has anyone else heard this rumor?

A poster currently in Rio, stated on another board:
"its more like a Boite setup with over 60 to 70 girls that come from all over the termas in Centro the talent its awesome great, and they are also building a dance hall too. They guy that owns 4x4 is the owner of the new spot. I heard the dance hall should be ready next month. And of course you have to negogiate with the girls if you want an all nighter with her. Overall it was an ok place to begin with." and:

"Piere Lounge its like another Barbarellas, with alot of termas girls going there after work, you can negogiate a 200 reais all night. and this is the address of Pier Lounge Av.Do Pepe #40 Barra da Tijuca."

Per Google Maps, that address was formerly Quebrar-Mar Boate & Restaurant. It is NOT close to Copa:

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_enUS347US347&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Av.Do+Pepe+%2340+Barra+da+Tijuca,+RJ,+BR&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=Chicago,+IL&cid=0,0,7472577379671164418&ei=TmKETOWHBISAnwe66bxf&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQnwIwAA[/url]

[QUOTE=Dutch44]I think Obesity is really becoming a BIG problem in Brazil. I see the trend in the Termas, Escorts, the beach, everywhere.

Anytone else who agrees or sees this trend...or am I the only one?

Dutch44[/QUOTE]Seconded. There's more and more fat women in Brasil (and as Brasileiras tend to be rather short, especially in Nordeste and Norte, it's even more obvious).

Even authorities agree that the country is experiencing an alarming epidemic of obesity (more than 22% of the population).

Obviously something worth keeping our eye on. But Barra is a hellishly long way out. Going to Niteroi and back is less hassle. Either are more like 'nearby towns.'

A friend invited me to the opening of the bar in old Quebra Mar. I did not go, but I can confirm such a bar did actually open. Let us hope it will continue.

At least it is at the very end of Barra da Tijuca, a little separate from all. But still too close to classy upper class housing. And of course, with my apartment being near old Help, I will be away from Point Zero then.


[QUOTE=Java Man]A poster currently in Rio, stated on another board:
"its more like a Boite setup with over 60 to 70 girls that come from all over the termas in Centro the talent its awesome great, and they are also building a dance hall too. They guy that owns 4x4 is the owner of the new spot. I heard the dance hall should be ready next month. And of course you have to negogiate with the girls if you want an all nighter with her. Overall it was an ok place to begin with." and:

"Piere Lounge its like another Barbarellas, with alot of termas girls going there after work, you can negogiate a 200 reais all night. and this is the address of Pier Lounge Av.Do Pepe #40 Barra da Tijuca."

Per Google Maps, that address was formerly Quebrar-Mar Boate & Restaurant. It is NOT close to Copa:

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_enUS347US347&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Av.Do+Pepe+%2340+Barra+da+Tijuca,+RJ,+BR&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=Chicago,+IL&cid=0,0,7472577379671164418&ei=TmKETOWHBISAnwe66bxf&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQnwIwAA[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dutch44]Hi Helprules and others,

It depends. That would be my answer. I am not such a fan of the Termas anymore. I have been to a few (in Rio) and 4x4 is the one I visit once, every time I am in Rio. But just once. Termas are not the best deal IMO. I do not understand why they have gotten so expensive. In a country like Germany, where the average wages are 3x to 10x that of the Brazilians, a german FKK offers MUCH better value for money. Really MUCH MUCH better. Believe me, I know. For 50 Euro entrance (Düsseldorf/Köln area) you get free drinks, food and entrance ALL day. 1 hour in a (nice and clean) room, with an lady of your choice (stunner can be found), can often be arranged for Euro 75.

IMHO if you have an apartment in Rio, the best deal are the escorts. Besides the obvious ones (Karla and Scort which will cost you some 150-170 for 2 hours including taxi) there are some really good ones where nice ladies (7-9 score) will stay 2 hours for 250 R$. I know no place in Europe or the USA which offers anything close to this. I think Brazil still offers the best there.

For instance this one is not bad: [url]www.vipgoldrj.com[/url]. There are plenty others like that in Rio.

I personally think that spending 2 hours in my apartment with a very nice and good looking 22 year old (as I have met from such agencies) is a great deal.

Dutch44[/QUOTE]

Be careful about unknown escort sites. Most are cheats

[url]http://www.gpguia.net/devphp/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=77306[/url]

Most likely all the photos are fake, stolen elsewhere. Now maybe the agency happens to have good girls anyway, as reported by gpguia, but most likely it is not the girls that are on the photos.

Pricing: yes, pricing went through the roof. If I did not know cheap cheap places in Rio, I might feel compelled to go to Germany or Pattaya for cheaper sex.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Obviously something worth keeping our eye on. But Barra is a hellishly long way out. Going to Niteroi and back is less hassle. Either are more like 'nearby towns.'[/QUOTE]


16km from Posto 5 to Av Pepe. Not so far!

[QUOTE=Beach Star]16km from Posto 5 to Av Pepe. Not so far![/QUOTE]
Do you do it a lot?? In traffic, of which there can be plenty at the wrong time, that can be hours. And Barra is not a place you just stroll around. It stretches for feet-achingly distances further than the eye can imagine like one big American Shopping Mall connected by fast moving traffic (fast moving till you try to get in or out that is.) I don't know how well you know it, so am not being cheeky - just want to highlight ground level in case anyone is planning it and hasn't been. The other option (rather from Sul) is to take the freeways from near Vila Mimosa when you want to go upmarket lol. They go past some 'scenic' badlands. ;)

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]Be careful about unknown escort sites. Most are cheats

[url]http://www.gpguia.net/devphp/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=77306[/url]

Most likely all the photos are fake, stolen elsewhere. Now maybe the agency happens to have good girls anyway, as reported by gpguia, but most likely it is not the girls that are on the photos.

Pricing: yes, pricing went through the roof. If I did not know cheap cheap places in Rio, I might feel compelled to go to Germany or Pattaya for cheaper sex.[/QUOTE]Due to work I have been spending some time in Peru. I have had some amazing good luck in Lima. The expense is not and issue for me (my wife can spend more shopping in London or Paris in an afternoon than I can spend in Rio for a week). Lima is at least half the price of Rio for all services.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Do you do it a lot?? In traffic, of which there can be plenty at the wrong time, that can be hours. And Barra is not a place you just stroll around. It stretches for feet-achingly distances further than the eye can imagine like one big American Shopping Mall connected by fast moving traffic (fast moving till you try to get in or out that is.) I don't know how well you know it, so am not being cheeky - just want to highlight ground level in case anyone is planning it and hasn't been. The other option (rather from Sul) is to take the freeways from near Vila Mimosa when you want to go upmarket lol. They go past some 'scenic' badlands. ;)[/QUOTE]


Yes I know Barra very well, in fact I often stay there. Av Pepe is on the beach right at the beginning of Barra and I would say after 9 at night you would comfortably get from Copa in 30/40 mins. In fact any time except for rush hours you can get from Copa in that sort of time. This new place they are talking about (I haven't yet been there ) is just down the road from Cafe400, a conventional termas but there is no need for taking your clothes off (Av Pepe 400)

Should you want to further afield in Barra you need transport, you are right, it's no place for strolling around. If you are based in Barra, say somewhere around the Sheraton, then you are a short cab ride from most places you would want to go, and public transport is good, but of course it is a different experience from what most on here are used to.

In Barra there are several other termas and massage type places, a lot of shopping centers and some very good restaurantes. The beach is, imo, much better than elsewhere in Rio. It is the safest place also, imo.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]corner of Siq. Campos and Bar. Ribeiro, in the Apart-Hotel building, 2nd and 3rd floors. due to disc issue, I find these places. on 3rd floor, just to right at top of escalator. also: there are some good ones to be found that are provided by Japanese, traditional style in Zona Sul. (also in this building, there is a place to get your travel 'shots'. fast and easy, no appointments)[/QUOTE]
Checked out this place today. The vaccination place is still there and that is worth knowing. As for the rest, basically there are many vacancies in the mall now, probably 50% of shops are vacant. I didn't see any massage places open, there was one acupuncture place, but getting a needle stuck in my ear lobe was not really what I was looking for. Thanks for the note though, seemed promising.

I will check out Spertos massage with a happy ending places in Centro soon.

[quote=bubba boy]checked out this place today. the vaccination place is still there and that is worth knowing. as for the rest, basically there are many vacancies in the mall now, probably 50% of shops are vacant. i didn't see any massage places open, there was one acupuncture place, but getting a needle stuck in my ear lobe was not really what i was looking for. thanks for the note though, seemed promising.

i will check out spertos massage with a happy ending places in centro soon.[/quote]closed? was just there in the spring: loja 304. phone is (was) 2255-5318. if they're gone, can give you my therapist's cell. far as i know, she doesn't stick needles (or anything else) in your ear. as for the so-called health travel place: they don't have the yellow international cards. you'll need to supply your own. otherwise, they're ok.

[QUOTE=Java Man]
"Piere Lounge its like another Barbarellas, with alot of termas girls going there after work, you can negogiate a 200 reais all night. and this is the address of Pier Lounge Av.Do Pepe #40 Barra da Tijuca."

Per Google Maps, that address was formerly Quebrar-Mar Boate & Restaurant. It is NOT close to Copa:

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_enUS347US347&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Av.Do+Pepe+%2340+Barra+da+Tijuca,+RJ,+BR&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=Chicago,+IL&cid=0,0,7472577379671164418&ei=TmKETOWHBISAnwe66bxf&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQnwIwAA[/url][/QUOTE]


I cant see terma girls going all the way out to barra da tijuca after they get off of work. That means the pplace wont get hopping until 1-1:30AM!!

[quote=golfinho]closed? was just there in the spring: loja 304. phone is (was) 2255-5318. if they're gone, can give you my therapist's cell. far as i know, she doesn't stick needles (or anything else) in your ear. as for the so-called health travel place: they don't have the yellow international cards. you'll need to supply your own. otherwise, they're ok.[/quote]

spring last year? i think spring is just about to start in rio next week?

i will go and check there wednesday, there is a public holiday tomorrow, hence maybe a lot of shops appeared to be closed today to make the "4 day weekend", which is common when there is a public holiday wednesday.

Went to 4x4 tonight, I remember somebody complaining that the receptionists at 4x4 do not give correct change. Well 2 weeks ago I was shorted R$3, I kind of was annoyed but said nothing. I always check my change in Brazil.

Tonight, I am already pissed before reaching the reception to check out because the locker attendant comes over and asks for a "caixinha" a tip, has a bit of paper already to write it down. This practise is what really shits me about Centaurus. If I want to give a tip I will if the service is good or some other extra service was provided, just giving out R$ to everyone in Brazil with a hand out is just nuts, no Brazilians do that shit. I have zero problem now saying firmly no to these requests and letting them know very firmly that I do not appreciate this request.

Anyway, get to the reception, the bill is R$265, I hand over $300, I get R$25 in change. I was so ready for them, was actually waiting for them to try and fuck me I picked it up straight away. I look around to speak to the manager who is nearly always sitting on the chairs in front of the reception - usually has a cap. As luck would not have it he is not there. Hence, I just blasted the receptionists, all 3 of them. Fuck I was pissed. They are systematically thieving change from people.

To top the night off, as I am leaving the security guy outside asks for a tip. I let him know exactly what I thought of his request, blasted him as well.

I won't be going back to 4x4 for a while, if I do the first thing I will do is find the manager and have a chat to him.

The receptionists at 4x4 can go fuck themselves........nothing but thieving pieces of shit!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Spring last year? I think spring is just about to start in Rio next week?

I will go and check there wednesday, there is a public holiday tomorrow, hence maybe a lot of shops appeared to be closed today to make the "4 day weekend", which is common when there is a public holiday wednesday.[/QUOTE]That would be Spring this year. not so hard to follow a calendar. used a Japanese a while back through an ad posted in the Posto 6 weekly. was good -- for shiatsu and traditional. was offered the acupuncture (small, small little 'needles', more like lancets) but declined.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]That would be Spring this year. not so hard to follow a calendar. [/QUOTE]

Spring starts in Brazil around Sept 20 this year, hence there has been no spring this year in Brazil. You must be referring to spring in your country?

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]...

I won't be going back to 4x4 for a while, if I do the first thing I will do is find the manager and have a chat to him....[/QUOTE]

I wish you to go there back asap and to have a successfull chat with manager.

If 10 reais to girl of lockers, to receptionist and guy doorman outside, in 10 times at 4x4 you give out 300 reais....

Couple of times the guy outside got almost angry when I did not tip him, too bad ! If this guy take tip daily from every gringo going to 4x4, think how much he can earn in one single month just from tips !

Moreover why only guy outside 4x4 asks all the times for tips, when guys outside for example at Montecarlo, L'uomo and Solarium never did it once ?!?

The same, woman of lockers of 4x4 is the one asking tips, where in the other termas girls of lockers do not ask.

That's the common sport at 4x4 is asking tips, is a thing the manager at 4x4 should definetely know ... imho !

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Spring starts in Brazil around Sept 20 this year, hence there has been no spring this year in Brazil. You must be referring to spring in your country?[/QUOTE]I was. Sorry about that. September to 2nd week in December not my favorite time to be in Rio. Likely true for a lot of people as see Continental flights at $740 roundtrip from EWR though.

[QUOTE=Bravo]I cant see terma girls going all the way out to barra da tijuca after they get off of work. That means the pplace wont get hopping until 1-1:30AM!![/QUOTE]

In the last 10 years, I don't remember a terma girl ever saying she was living in or near Baja. I'm sure there are some, but I'm skeptical that the business model includes girls coming from the termas. In fact, I don't think Help attracted that many terma girls, especially on the same days they worked.

The Centro termas close relatively early, so maybe they would come out there. I still doubt it.

I'm hopeful that the new place works because it is near the godforsaken shoot-out corral our company forces us to stay in, but, if Copa is turning up the political heat against Help-type places, I would imagine that Barra will be a furnace.

Off to Buzios this weekend. Anybody been? Worth the drive?

Boate Subsolo / ex-Subway (Centro - Av. Rio Branco, 14 - Subsolo), just over Av. Pres Vargas. Close to a bunch of Termas like T31, MV 30, etc.

For those of you that miss Help there is a poor substitute in centro. A lot of the centro terma girls go there after close. Opens around 11.30 pm or so. I have been there 2 or 3 times, there is not really a cover, just a consumption which isn't much. Need to be very careful with the waiters, they will try and rip you off as much as possible. My rule is when I go to a new place I drink beer or coke and make sure the bill can't be run up too much. Anyway, girls will usually take R$80 or so, thats what the Brazilian guys will get, they will of course start at R$200 os do. Most go to the motel Sao Bento accross the street which is R$30 or so, depending on what you want. It is pretty crappy but ok. There are no rooms on the premise. You can take a girl back to copacabana for the night of course, although I don't.

Maybe 50 girls on a decent night, much closer than Barra. Be careful in this area at night, definitely cab it, it is crack city after 11.00pm. Open Mon- Friday although do not go Monday, it is dead!

Good place to get down and dirty in Rio De Janeiro............

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Boate Subsolo / ex-Subway (Centro - Av. Rio Branco, 14 - Subsolo), just over Av. Pres Vargas. Close to a bunch of Termas like T31, MV 30, etc.



Maybe 50 girls on a decent night, much closer than Barra. Be careful in this area at night, definitely cab it, it is crack city after 11.00pm. Open Mon- Friday although do not go Monday, it is dead!

Good place to get down and dirty in Rio De Janeiro............[/QUOTE]

There is a misconception of distances to Barra. According to Google maps Posto 5 Copa to Subsolo is 14.6km 22mins. Posto 5 to Av Pepe Barra is 16km 23mins....

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Does anyone know of a reasonably priced genuine massage place? Perhaps in centro or zona norte. Having lived in Asia for many years I really miss a genuine good massage. I have come accross a few in Copa and Ipanema but the quality is bad and price R$ 80+ ie absurd.

The longer I live in Brazil the cheaper I get![/QUOTE]http://www.centrometamorfose.com.br/unidade_rio-de-janeiro.php

Well, not within your price reference, but you might find it interesting: I doubt you have tried a penis massage before.

[QUOTE=Beach Star]There is a misconcetion of distances to Barra. According to Google maps Posto 5 Copa to Subsolo is 14.6km 22mins. Posto 5 to Av Pepe Barra is 16km 23mins....[/QUOTE]

I just did the same stat and got slightly different stats. All I know is that a cab from centro to Copa is about R$22 at night, a cab back from barra runs easy R$40+

Siqueira Campos 1 - Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro
Avenida Rio Branco, 14 - Centro, Rio de Janeiro

11.5kms 16mins

Siqueira Campos 1 - Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro
Avenida do Pepê 400, Barra da Tijuca, Rio de Janeiro

18.5kms 27mins

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I just did the same stat and got slightly different stats. All I know is that a cab from centro to Copa is about R$22 at night, a cab back from barra runs easy R$40+

Siqueira Campos 1 - Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro
Avenida Rio Branco, 14 - Centro, Rio de Janeiro

11.5kms 16mins

Siqueira Campos 1 - Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro
Avenida do Pepê 400, Barra da Tijuca, Rio de Janeiro

18.5kms 27mins[/QUOTE]


Good point but I'm not saying barra is close to copa, but it is not "way further." as people try to say. The other thing to realize is that Barra is huge, It could cost you R30 from one side of Barra to the other. Av Pepe, however, is the closest point to Zona Sul.

Paris cafe, which is a great termas, in Recreio, is a further 18km from Av. Pepe.

[QUOTE=Beach Star]Good point but I'm not saying barra is close to copa, but it is not "way further." as people try to say. The other thing to realize is that Barra is huge, It could cost you R30 from one side of Barra to the other. Av Pepe, however, is the closest point to Zona Sul.

Paris cafe, which is a great termas, in Recreio, is a further 18km from Av. Pepe.[/QUOTE]

Yes exactly, the other end of Barra is friggin miles away. I got a cab back from Paris Cafe one night about 3 years ago, cost about R$75, probably more like R$90 now! Anyone that is thinking of living down there would really need to buy a car, very spread out like American type beach suburbs!

[QUOTE=Full Throttle]In the last 10 years, I don't remember a terma girl ever saying she was living in or near Baja. I'm sure there are some, but I'm skeptical that the business model includes girls coming from the termas. In fact, I don't think Help attracted that many terma girls, especially on the same days they worked.

The Centro termas close relatively early, so maybe they would come out there. I still doubt it.

I'm hopeful that the new place works because it is near the godforsaken shoot-out corral our company forces us to stay in, but, if Copa is turning up the political heat against Help-type places, I would imagine that Barra will be a furnace.

Off to Buzios this weekend. Anybody been? Worth the drive?[/QUOTE]Buzio is beautiful!!!! I went with a amiga!

[QUOTE=Beach Star]Good point but I'm not saying barra is close to copa, but it is not "way further." as people try to say. The other thing to realize is that Barra is huge, It could cost you R30 from one side of Barra to the other. Av Pepe, however, is the closest point to Zona Sul.

Paris cafe, which is a great termas, in Recreio, is a further 18km from Av. Pepe.[/QUOTE]
With all due respect, going anywhere in Rio when the traffic is up is unpredictable. I once spent 40 minutes in a taxi and didn't make it from Cantagalo station to Siquiero Campos. So, let's set that aside for a moment.

I frequently go from near Arpoador to near Downtown in Barra in morning rush hour. It takes about 30 minutes and costs about R25. It varies, but this is the expected value. So that is about what you would expect to this new venue i guess in moderate traffic.

Now, a rainy Friday afternoon, all bets are off. One hour would not be unusual. I try to get out of Barra by 2-3 PM if at all possible. Even then, traffic is heavy. Late at night it is probably 15 - 20 minutes, no big deal. So, with my limited knowledge of Rio, I would say pick your times carefully.'

But to put it in perspective, VM is not close to Zona Sul either. It can easily take an hour to get there. I have taken the Barra Express to Barra (now leaves from Prc Gen Osorio) and I will bet it is faster to get to Barra in moderate traffic than it is to get to VM by bus.

Last time I timed it, Zona Sul to VM using metro + walking was about an hour. Quite a hike.

Number one rule in Rio -- as far as I am concerned -- is stay out of traffic. So if you want to do centro, stay down there. Likewise for ZS. Stay in Barra only if you can't avoid it!

[QUOTE=Full Throttle]Off to Buzios this weekend. Anybody been? Worth the drive?[/QUOTE]Tourist Trap. Like too many of these kind of places in Brazil. Have to go once though and why not September when no one's there

[QUOTE=Full Throttle]In the last 10 years, I don't remember a terma girl ever saying she was living in or near Baja. I'm sure there are some, but I'm skeptical that the business model includes girls coming from the termas. In fact, I don't think Help attracted that many terma girls, especially on the same days they worked.

The Centro termas close relatively early, so maybe they would come out there. I still doubt it.

I'm hopeful that the new place works because it is near the godforsaken shoot-out corral our company forces us to stay in, but, if Copa is turning up the political heat against Help-type places, I would imagine that Barra will be a furnace.

Off to Buzios this weekend. Anybody been? Worth the drive?[/QUOTE]
Rent a Dune Buggy. It is a great way to get around since the beaches and downtown are pretty spread out.

This is an interesting site.

[url]http://www.tarifadetaxi.com/rio-de-janeiro[/url]

To centro about R$22, to Barra R$30 or so.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Tourist Trap. Like too many of these kind of places in Brazil. Have to go once though and why not September when no one's there[/QUOTE]Tourist trap? Copacabana is a tourist trap. Buzios is great!

Not many termas though.

If you speak some spanish, this site is great: [url]http://www.buzios-total.com/[/url]

Buzios info in english:

[url]http://en.buzios-total.com/[/url]

Enjoy.

Hi,

Can anyone suggest of other destenation which are similar to Brazil?

[QUOTE=Kamelyoussef]Hi,

Can anyone suggest of other destenation which are similar to Brazil?[/QUOTE]The thing that everyone wants to know ! lol.

After you RTFF's Go find some and report back.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]

The receptionists at 4x4 can go fuck themselves........nothing but thieving pieces of shit![/QUOTE]

They tried again on monday, but i was ready for them and immediately informed them that I wanted all of change. I think I will say something to the mangaer on thursday, they are both cool guys who i think will listen.

Also the locker girl approached me asking for a tip when i was changing back into my street clothes. Sylvia never asked for a tip and all this girl did was bring me my robe and slippers, nothing deserving of a tip!

At least the door man has stopped asking for a tip when i leave. I said `why dont you ever ask brasilians for a tip? ` he just gave me a mean look.

[QUOTE=Bravo]They tried again on monday, but i was ready for them and immediately informed them that I wanted all of change. I think I will say something to the mangaer on thursday, they are both cool guys who i think will listen.

Also the locker girl approached me asking for a tip when i was changing back into my street clothes. Sylvia never asked for a tip and all this girl did was bring me my robe and slippers, nothing deserving of a tip!

At least the door man has stopped asking for a tip when i leave. I said `why dont you ever ask brasilians for a tip? ` he just gave me a mean look.[/QUOTE]

You must have been there the same time I was there. I am definitely going to speak to the managers next time.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Boate Subsolo / ex-Subway (Centro - Av. Rio Branco, 14 - Subsolo), just over Av. Pres Vargas. Close to a bunch of Termas like T31, MV 30, etc.

For those of you that miss Help there is a poor substitute in centro. A lot of the centro terma girls go there after close. Opens around 11.30 pm or so. I have been there 2 or 3 times, there is not really a cover, just a consumption which isn't much. Need to be very careful with the waiters, they will try and rip you off as much as possible. My rule is when I go to a new place I drink beer or coke and make sure the bill can't be run up too much. Anyway, girls will usually take R$80 or so, thats what the Brazilian guys will get, they will of course start at R$200 os do. Most go to the motel Sao Bento accross the street which is R$30 or so, depending on what you want. It is pretty crappy but ok. There are no rooms on the premise. You can take a girl back to copacabana for the night of course, although I don't.

Maybe 50 girls on a decent night, much closer than Barra. Be careful in this area at night, definitely cab it, it is crack city after 11.00pm. Open Mon- Friday although do not go Monday, it is dead!

Good place to get down and dirty in Rio De Janeiro............[/QUOTE]It's definitely a hole - almost literally, in fact - but it's worth seeing just because it's a part of carioca history. Together with Florida in Praça Mauá, it's the longest running clip joint in town, established, IIRC, in the 1930s.

The current decor looks to have been laid over the original decor in the 1970s or do. It was apparently a very happening joint in the early 1970s. A Help of the times.

[QUOTE=Kamelyoussef]Hi,
Can anyone suggest of other destenation which are similar to Brazil?[/QUOTE]
In Spain there are maybe a dozen places like Help. The one I remember was the one in Casteldefells in Barcelona. Unfortunately it's been closed too. Still there are many other ones left, especially around Madrid.
Then the River Palace in Kiev, Ukraine ... closed too!
Another option are the fabulous FKK's in Germany. There are some in Switzerland too.
Also a few discos in Prague, Czech Republic.
Maybe the discos on the "Corniche" in Morocco.
And in Africa, there might be a many too.
Surely, I have missed some ...
:(

[QUOTE=Kamelyoussef]Hi,

Can anyone suggest of other destenation which are similar to Brazil?[/QUOTE]
No there are not! There's nothing like Brasil. Or even (as far as I know) ho discos the size of Help. But for a major monger environment with very little else you can try Angeles City. (Simplified description) : Not a disco, just a large village of go-go bars with carry out, enough hotels to park your ass, and middle-rate food so you have something to do when not shagging and ogling.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]No there are not! There's nothing like Brasil. Or even (as far as I know) ho discos the size of Help. But for a major monger environment with very little else you can try Angeles City. (Simplified description) : Not a disco, just a large village of go-go bars with carry out, enough hotels to park your ass, and middle-rate food so you have something to do when not shagging and ogling.[/QUOTE]


Nothing like it that I know of. Help had a unique blend of characteristics. You could sit outside and enjoy the ambiance of Copacabana with drinks, food, girls etc. at TA. And you could go inside and indulge the illusion (and sometimes the reality) of exquisite non or semi pros at great value.

In terms of size, certainly Cyclone in Dubai was larger and it had the freelancers. Strange place BTW because the Chinese and Russian gdps divided the place down the middle and didn't ever cross the center line.
But it is closed now.

Thailand has many places much larger although not under one roof. I particularly like Phuket for the homey feeling.

There are spots in Jakarta as well.

[QUOTE=Christopherd] Or even (as far as I know) ho discos the size of Help.[/QUOTE]
Love Story is a bit smaller but 100 times better than Help was.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Love Story is a bit smaller but 100 times better than Help was.[/QUOTE]
Where is Love Story?

MCruddy

[QUOTE=MCruddy]Where is Love Story?

MCruddy[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo. Rua Araujo (Republica). It's a total morgue until 3 am and then it rocks till 8 am, later on weekends.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjcYSYQdkPY&NR=1[/url]

[QUOTE=MCruddy]Where is Love Story?
[/QUOTE]
There was a Love Story in SP.
[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=404307&postcount=8[/url]
Seems Prosal mentioned this before
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1049999&postcount=4834[/url]
But as far as anyone can tell he hasn't been to Brasil for a long time anyway, so usual precautions if you have joined recently. ;)

Here's an [url="http://static1.unlike.net/system/photos/0041/0256/LovStory.jpg?1234621742"]old picture[/url]

[QUOTE=Christopherd]But as far as anyone can tell he hasn't been to Brasil for a long time anyway, so usual precautions if you have joined recently. ;)[/QUOTE]Your anxiousness to badmouth about others and to show to the world how you are "Brasil specialist" make you once more talk out your ass (as the poster Dwilso39 who posted this nonsense). Love Story is open and rocking. There have been reports about it this very last week on GP Guia.

Also, FYI, I've been to SP relatively recently.

For fans of loud music and available girls, if you are not that interested in Brasil for its own sake or the Brasilian women, places like Dollhouse in AC are about the size of Help, and the whole of the AC monger area is many times the size as there are countless venues like Dollhouse. It's a bit like an open-air cattle ranch if that's what you fancy. Patpong only a village full instead of one street. There is a big proper disco or two there as well, but it's a bit time wasting when girls can be had without the same preliminaries outside and a lot of them just go there to relax after work. More or less anyone in AC is a working girl unless it's obvious she's not. But that belongs to the Philippines board. I prefer Brasil, with or without Help.

[QUOTE=MCruddy]Where is Love Story?

MCruddy[/QUOTE]Love Story. Rua Araujo 232 (with Avenida Ipiranga)
Centro Sao Paulo

More at: [url]http://totalspguide.com/post/1145/Love-Story/[/url]

Love Story, imho, is like Help but with good music, better looking girls and without tourists. And the important fact that, not all the girls are hookers.

Worth the visit. It's where all the girls from Cafe Photo, Bomboa, Kilt, and other clubs… end the night. Some looking for clients. Some just for fun.

Add to that a lot of trendy types, musicians, drug dealers, transvestites and regular patrons. Weird mix!

Best days: Monday (Segunda Feira) to Thursday (Quinta).

I copy from [url]http://totalspguide.com[/url]

End-of-the-night point for prostitutes, rent boys and associated partygoers (but not strictly confined to this demographic), Love Story has developed quite an international reputation thanks to the celebrities who've staggered in and out of its doors.

Nick Cave regularly frequented it while living in Sao Paulo and British tech-house producers Layo & Bushwacka! named a track after a visit. Deafeningly loud electronic house music keeps the audience buzzed and hot, and more inspired patrons climb onto raised podiums to shake loose body parts around strip poles.

With two floors and numerous bars at which drinks will set you back R$15 each. At some point you'll likely have to broach the precarious subject of asking whether the person you're chatting up is, ahem, working or not.

Weekends can get busy, so you'll have to face every partygoer's usual quandry: How to arrive fashionably late—the party peaks between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m.—without risking an interminable wait in line.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
That's the common sport at 4x4 is asking tips, is a thing the manager at 4x4 should definetely know ... imho ![/QUOTE]

This is weird, no one asks me for tips there. Maybe you're known for giving them and that's why they hit you up for tips. I give them at Luomo and Bar Florida to the towel ladies, but not at 4x4 for whatever reason.

Last time at 4x4 during the 4:50 pm scramble for free entry sessions, they were out of cabines and gave me a suite for the cabine price. No insinuations of an increased price for the better room. 4x4 isn't so bad to everyone. Maybe you look wealthy due to your style of clothes or watch. I remember Johnny Bravo posting about wearing Armani suits and a nice watch all about Rio. Brave man.

Now, last time in Bar Florida I was a little distracted when coming out of the cabine and forgot my tip to the towel lady. I was told by one of the male staff that I was to give the towel lady "um presente", as he put it. I wouldn't skip the tip under those conditions, even if I wanted to. It's a long dark walk back to Ibis Centro, and a lot of the club friends hanging out with the doorman off-and-on. :). Besides, I feel sorry for the towel ladies. They are usually older and/or unattractive but have to watch the pretty younger garotas go back and forth to the cabines raking in cash all night long. It must be depressing for them.

On this topic of money for nothing: In VM, I had just sessioned a girl and she left the room while I was dressing. Then another girl snuck in the room and insisted that I owed her for a session. When it became clear that I wasn't going to pay her for doing nothing, she lowered it to a tip. Then she blocked the door and I ended up having to push my way out of the room. I had a similar incident in Jakarta, where I had to end the session before it started because the girl changed her mind about pix, then insisted on cab fare plus half the session..after much coercion, I got her out of the room with only cab fare..then she stood outside my hotel room banging on the door and screaming about me being a pervert who wanted to post pictures of her body on the net. She was right, she would have been right over in the ISG JKT pix thread with the others I posted. But she agreed to pix when I took her from the bar, so it was a dealbreaker and she had to go. My first time in JKT on a spontaneous trip with no time for planning or knowledge of the local culture, so I was thinking that maybe the Shariah police would show up at my door with some charge and 50 lashes! So I drank Bintang until I passed out to forget..No sex that night, but it was an interesting experience nonetheless. Every girl in P4P seems to have some scam, sooner or later.

On Love Story down in Sampa: Mike Tyson picked up girls there right before he got into the hotel brawl a few years ago. If Tyson hangs there it must be okay unless something has changed! I am sure his options and budget are unlimited, i.e. Kilt, Cafe Foto. Mind your ears.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]This is weird, no one asks me for tips there... Maybe you look wealthy due to your style of clothes or watch....[/QUOTE]

If you ever read the previous posts, you should know very well, I am not the only one whom they asked tip...

That's a common thing at 4x4 to ask for tip, no matter if you do not believe....

Where is the point to dress wealthy in Rio and even more going to 4x4 in center ?!?

A t-shirt, shorts and no watch at all, are more than enough for me, cause all you need when you dress robe in a terma, is money in the locker.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]This is weird, no one asks me for tips there. [/QUOTE]
I've a feeling PP probably manages to give out the similar vibe as I do on this sort of malarkey. I hope we can even meet up in some despicable den of iniquity at some time and observe each other's technique. PP - am off to Kolkata and SG in a few weeks time.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Now, last time in Bar Florida I was a little distracted when coming out of the cabine and forgot my tip to the towel lady. I was told by one of the male staff that I was to give the towel lady "um presente", as he put it. I wouldn't skip the tip under those conditions, even if I wanted to. It's a long dark walk back to Ibis Centro, and a lot of the club friends hanging out with the doorman off-and-on. :). Besides, I feel sorry for the towel ladies. They are usually older and/or unattractive but have to watch the pretty younger garotas go back and forth to the cabines raking in cash all night long. It must be depressing for them.[/QUOTE]Careful with the tipping. A few reals at a time all night long equals hundreds at the end. I am a firm believer in only well-compensating the providers for two reasons: 1. They are the reason I am there; 2. If the non-GDPs start making more than the GDPs the GDPs will want to stop.

[QUOTE=Dwilso39]31-7-10 : Prosal, FYI, Love Story is also closed![/QUOTE]FYI

28-8-10, posted on GPGuia -> Sao Paulo -> Casas Noturnas, Boites -> Love Story : "..Ouvi falar muito do Love Story e fui dar uma conferida na ultima semana ....."

Honestly, you should shut the fuck up instead of spreading BS information (blithely repeated by Christopher, as usual too happy to slander and quibble).

[QUOTE=Gaucho9]Add to that a lot of trendy types, musicians, drug dealers, transvestites and regular patrons. Weird mix! [/QUOTE]Celebrities also frequent Love Story. Once there was Ronaldinho and his boys at the table just next to mine.

[QUOTE=Prosal]FYI

28-8-10, posted on GPGuia -> Sao Paulo -> Casas Noturnas, Boites -> Love Story : "..Ouvi falar muito do Love Story e fui dar uma conferida na ultima semana ....."

Honestly, you should shut the fuck up instead of spreading BS information (blithely repeated by Christopher, as usual too happy to slander and quibble).[/QUOTE]So much for a first-hand report. If anyone goes and actually sees for hisself, that would be helpful, timely, and welcome infomation.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]
On Love Story down in Sampa: Mike Tyson picked up girls there right before he got into the hotel brawl a few years ago. If Tyson hangs there it must be okay unless something has changed! I am sure his options and budget are unlimited, i.e. Kilt, Cafe Foto. Mind your ears.[/QUOTE]

That was a few years ago, I remember his picture in the paper but Mike is broke now and probably was then too. And good for him now that he is broke he turned his life around and is completely straight, too bad he didn't do that 20 years ago with all the money he has made and blew. He has no regrets.

Hi guys,

Just arrived in Rio for 5 days of fun (after finishing some work on a project in Brazil). Because I tend to be lazy, I simply called Karla models and had a Garota arriving in my apartment in Ipanema in less than 30 minutes.

([url]http://www.karlamodels.net/principal_eua.html[/url])

The lineup (as can be seen in the book with photos they bring) has become better than last year. Really not so bad. Not Terma levels perhaps, but close enough for me. Let's not forget 120 r$ for 2 hours of fun is not bad. Add to that the taxi (30+30) and you are done. That's just 80 Euros for me.

Now follow some names of the girls in the book that looked good. No comments about personality ofc. I only met Suzana Diniz so far, and she was nice. This list only mentions name blonde/morena type and score for looks. (1-10, where 10 is superb)

Suzana Diniz, blonde, 7 (new)
Lia fauer, morena 8
Tammy, morena, 7
Marisol bueno, blonde, 7
Sabrina villar, morena, 8
Jamile, 7 (old timer...)
Tabata, morena, 7.5
Monaliza godoy, blonde, 7.5,
Viviane moraes, 6.5 - 7
Amanda todd, 7.5
Karine ferrari, morena, 8
Natasha roger, 6.5

enjoy,
Dutch44

[QUOTE=Prosal]FYI

28-8-10, posted on GPGuia -> Sao Paulo -> Casas Noturnas, Boites -> Love Story : "..Ouvi falar muito do Love Story e fui dar uma conferida na ultima semana ....."

Honestly, you should shut the fuck up instead of spreading BS information (blithely repeated by Christopher, as usual too happy to slander and quibble).[/QUOTE]
Prosal you might not be utterly stupid but I've never noticed you give up to date, first hand experience reports on Brasil, so if you have dragged your sorry ass back do tell us what you have been up to in Brasil this year. I'm not being sarcastic. Where, [b]when,[/b] who and how much is always welcome, even from obnoxious EE mindfucks like yourself. And maybe a little less abuse in your posts - or is that asking too much.

[QUOTE=Christopherd] you have been up to in Brasil this year, where, [b]when,[/b] who and how much is always welcome - or is that asking too much.[/QUOTE]I didn't know you cared that much about what I do, xtopher, my little trutinha.

But instead of trying to stalk my travels (in this case, professional for Sao Paulo), why don't you try yourself to get a life out of ISG ?

[QUOTE=Bravo]At least the door man has stopped asking for a tip when i leave. I said `why dont you ever ask brasilians for a tip? ` he just gave me a mean look.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Will need to use that line with the ******* door men at Solarium.

4X4 - I guess the gals at the desk are back at it, again. Last year, they did not ask me for a dime but years prior, they were tenacious fucks.

BTW, I just got back from Rio. I was very disappointed with the dog shit talent at Balcony. It really was quite pathetic. Went into Dolce Vita for first time. It was small, and the talent only improved slightly. Hit several Ts, and hooked up with a few from before. Beach action was limited due to weather.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]So much for a first-hand report. If anyone goes and actually sees for hisself, that would be helpful, timely, and welcome infomation.[/QUOTE]Don't know why I even care to answer on this point to someone who is the biggest mythomaniac in the history of ISG and whose 90% of the allegedly "information" is a cumulation of things taken here and there on the net.

FYI, I've made dozens of first-hand reports about LS. I even provided the personal mobile number of Raoul, the "gerente", for table reservation.

[QUOTE=Dutch44]Hi guys,

Just arrived in Rio for 5 days of fun (after finishing some work on a project in Brazil). Because I tend to be lazy, I simply called Karla models and had a Garota arriving in my apartment in Ipanema in less than 30 minutes.

([url]http://www.karlamodels.net/principal_eua.html[/url])

The lineup (as can be seen in the book with photos they bring) has become better than last year. Really not so bad. Not Terma levels perhaps, but close enough for me. Let's not forget 120 r$ for 2 hours of fun is not bad. Add to that the taxi (30+30) and you are done. That's just 80 Euros for me.

Now follow some names of the girls in the book that looked good. No comments about personality ofc. I only met Suzana Diniz so far, and she was nice. This list only mentions name blonde/morena type and score for looks. (1-10, where 10 is superb)

Suzana Diniz, blonde, 7 (new)
Lia fauer, morena 8
Tammy, morena, 7
Marisol bueno, blonde, 7
Sabrina villar, morena, 8
Jamile, 7 (old timer...)
Tabata, morena, 7.5
Monaliza godoy, blonde, 7.5,
Viviane moraes, 6.5 - 7
Amanda todd, 7.5
Karine ferrari, morena, 8
Natasha roger, 6.5

enjoy,
Dutch44[/QUOTE]

I never noticed the wording before, but are they now charging to see the book, or is that just a horrible translation on their page?

ryjer

Prosal, what has happened to you? It seems everytime you appear on ISG you start abusing someone. Regardless of what you think someone has said, it is unaceptable behaviour to constantly abuse people on a frequent basis.

Take a step back and look at the results of your last few months posts, virtually all of them have eneded in an argument, this can't all be the fault of someone else, you need to take a good look at yourself and see whether it is worth you continuing to post here. You are becoming a serial antagonist!

[QUOTE=Ryjerrob]I never noticed the wording before, but are they now charging to see the book, or is that just a horrible translation on their page?

ryjer[/QUOTE]

Karla Models book is free to see if either you go to the street near their place or if you fuck the girl who brings the book to your apartment

Only looking costs you taxi and a fee. If you immediately order a girl, I think the fee is waived and you pay only the taxi

A few secret hints:

get a room at Hotel Barao do Flamengo. No taxi for scortshow girls. No book showing fee either

festinhas or orgies. M men and M+1 girls (3 friends and 4 girls, or 2 men and 3 girls, for example). You pay normal price and get to do ALL girls. Amazing deal. Each guy pays about R$ 200 total or less and gets to do 4 girls in 2 hours.

Unfortunately, if you don't have an apartment, you pay for every extra person in the hotel.

I am easily convinced to participate and help in such debauchery, contact me

[QUOTE=Golfinho]So much for a first-hand report. If anyone goes and actually sees for hisself, that would be helpful, timely, and welcome infomation.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Love Story is still open, at least it was a couple weeks back when a friend wanted to go.

It's fun but too late night for me.
Only thing I"m thinkin about at 4 or 5 AM is sleeping :)

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]You are becoming a serial antagonist![/QUOTE]Well, if by "serial antagonist", you mean that if a controversial sucker challenges me when I say "Love Story is open" by saying "FYI Love Story is closed" (and when he is seconded by the usual know-it-all, pontificating and boring fucks like xtopher who have come to the conclusion that the ISG Brasil forum is their board and that they have some moral right to preach, debate, deride, insult, chide and argue with everyone and everything they don't agree with), and if I reply him that he better keeps his big mouth shut because LS is still open, so yes, I am a serial antagonist.

Happily, the FSU threads, where I post at 90%, are not contaminated (or to a much lesser extend) by this kind of plagues, who BTW seem to be especially active in the mass-prostitution destinations forum (Rio, Pattaya, Angeles City, Medellin, TJ, ect, ect). To each its class.

Notb that I care a lot about your thoughts anyway. :)

Hi All,

As you may know by now, I'm quite a fan of escorts in Rio. I decided to try a new (to me at least) escort agency, and wasn't disappointed. I guess I got lucky.

The agency is called Agencia Felinas which seems to pretty far away from Zona Sul. I called them (only porto speaking) and decided for Tatiane. They seem to have been around for a long time

It took a long time for her to get here. Some 90 minutes. When she arrived, she did want the money in advance which she had to give to her driver. Anyway, she left her purse and mobile phone in my apartment when she went to give that money to her driver, so I guessed it was OK. Normally I do not do this! It seems to be the policy of this Agency. It didnt cause any problems though.

[url]http://www.agenciafelinas.com.br/html/tatianafarias.htm[/url]

Well, I can only say: NOT BAD! She was exactly the girl shown on the pictures and stayed 3 hours for R$ 140 (the official price) plus taxi which was another 40 r$. So all in all 180 R$ for 3 hours. Gee, try that in the US! (or EU)

She was pretty nice and easy with my limited Portuguese. After a lot of (oral) foreplay, she wanted to be f***ed wild and fast. I was pretty exhausted at the end :-) but muito contente.

I attached 2 photos of her, so you can see her. She is good looking and has a nice rather slim (petit) and hard body.

Be nice to her if you decide to go with her.

Dutch44

PS: she is actually 27 years old, but looks like 22

By the way: let's stop fighting and calling each other names on this forum. Instead write some good reports and provide useful information. Our hobby after all is about enjoyment, isn't it?

Dutch44

[QUOTE=Ricker]Yes, Love Story is still open, at least it was a couple weeks back when a friend wanted to go.
It's fun but too late night for me.
Only thing I"m thinkin about at 4 or 5 AM is sleeping :)[/QUOTE]
I was wondering as I'm going thru SP in a few months even tho it's not my usual. There's a couple of youtube vids of it on the web but it's hard to say from them if it's still a hooker place or more a regular disco. Doesn't seem to be mentioned on the SP thread which surprised me if it is still what it used to be and still really amazing or whatever.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Doesn't seem to be mentioned on the SP thread which surprised me[/QUOTE]LOL.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=89[/url] (thanks Gaucho9 for quoting me BTW :))

Hi Guys,

Just finished a session with Karine Ferrari of Karla Models. My opinion: not recommended.

She arrived late (16h45) and said the girls stop working at 18h00, so she did not want to complete the 2 hours and started making trouble about it. The first time a girl from Karla made problems for me. I started to get a HELP girl feeling. Ughhh.

[url]http://www.karlamodels.net/principal_eua.html[/url]

It is BS as I have been often with girls from Karla who came around 17h00 and stayed the full time, as they are supposed to. May be it was a bad idea of me to ask a girl from Karla just before their weekend starts. (Karla closes Sat. at 18h00 and stays closed on Sun.)

anyway, can't always be lucky I guess,
Dutch

[QUOTE=Prosal]Don't know why I even care to answer on this point to someone who is the biggest mythomaniac in the history of ISG and whose 90% of the allegedly "information" is a cumulation of things taken here and there on the net.

FYI, I've made dozens of first-hand reports about LS. I even provided the personal mobile number of Raoul, the "gerente", for table reservation.[/QUOTE]Poor, Prosal. No one cares that you have something to prove.

[QUOTE=Dutch44]Hi Guys,

Just finished a session with Karine Ferrari of Karla Models. My opinion: not recommended.

She arrived late (16h45) and said the girls stop working at 18h00, so she did not want to complete the 2 hours and started making trouble about it. The first time a girl from Karla made problems for me. I started to get a HELP girl feeling. Ughhh.

[url]http://www.karlamodels.net/principal_eua.html[/url]

It is BS as I have been often with girls from Karla who came around 17h00 and stayed the full time, as they are supposed to. May be it was a bad idea of me to ask a girl from Karla just before their weekend starts. (Karla closes Sat. at 18h00 and stays closed on Sun.)

anyway, can't always be lucky I guess,

Dutch[/QUOTE]Pics do her justice? Her tail as nice in person? I have a suspicion that her tits are bad as she did not show them in photos. Yes or no?

You are probably right about the weekend as she probably need to get back to her boyfriend and other life.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience. Bummer. Hope you adjusted the payment accordingly.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Poor, Prosal. No one cares that you have something to prove.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Golfinho]...In July/August, I was in Vilnius, Varsaw, Minsk, Tashkent, Riga, Caracas, Medellin and Cartagena....[/QUOTE]Right on.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Well, if by "serial antagonist", you mean that if a controversial sucker challenges me when I say "Love Story is open" by saying "FYI Love Story is closed" (and when he is seconded by the usual know-it-all, pontificating and boring fucks like xtopher who have come to the conclusion that the ISG Brasil forum is their board and that they have some moral right to preach, debate, deride, insult, chide and argue with everyone and everything they don't agree with), and if I reply him that he better keeps his big mouth shut because LS is still open, so yes, I am a serial antagonist.

Happily, the FSU threads, where I post at 90%, are not contaminated (or to a much lesser extend) by this kind of plagues, who BTW seem to be especially active in the mass-prostitution destinations forum (Rio, Pattaya, Angeles City, Medellin, TJ, ect, ect). To each its class.

Notb that I care a lot about your thoughts anyway. :)[/QUOTE]

It is not just this fight that you started, you fight with everybody. Regardless of what you think of anyone there are rules on this site which expressly forbib serial antagonist. Virtually everytime you post you start an argument. Keep it up and you will be banned from the site.

What has happened to you, you used to post some decent stuff 5 years ago, now you just drop by to call someone a "dumb fuck", just does no good to anyone an causes kaos on the board for a few days. Everyone is tired of this crap. This is word for word the definition of a serial antagonist.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Pics do her justice? Her tail as nice in person? I have a suspicion that her tits are bad as she did not show them in photos. Yes or no?

You are probably right about the weekend as she probably need to get back to her boyfriend and other life.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience. Bummer. Hope you adjusted the payment accordingly.[/QUOTE]

Nope, she did not look as nice as in the pictures. Some of the Karla girls however are quite good looking. (at least a 7) See my other mail of 2 days ago.

Dutch

PS: Tits, you were right. Lesson learned - if tits are not on the photo there is probably a good reason.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy] Virtually everytime you post you start an argument.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah? Yet I've never noticed any argument in the Uzbekistan forum, where I'm the most active participant. That said, admittedly, the people who travel to Tashkent (or, more extensively, to FSU) are definitely not the same breed of mongers than those who travel to cheap mass-prostitution destinations like Rio, TJ, Pattaya or AC. Maybe the former explains the latter.

[QUOTE=Perkele]Gentlemen.

I have a video that I took in Galeao airport in Rio de Janeiro where the customs officials were opening systematically the luggage and going through them.

I was waiting for my own bag, coming from Belem, and the door to handling area was ajar. Since it took lot of time for the luggage to arrive I went by the door and saw that they were opening the suitcases and going through the stuff.

Absolutely non official thing to do, since the actual checking point is AFTER you retrieve your bag.

So its not the luggage handling stuff, but officials that are doing it.[/QUOTE]I had a long conversation with the manager of the luggage area at GIG after one of my bags did not arrive with my flight. I walked in the back with him just to make sure my bag did not get misplaced and was surprised at their process prior to luggage being placed on the carousels. He explained to me that there is a lot of drugs being moved through Brasil and the bags go through ‘sniffers’ and scanners prior to hitting the baggage carousel. They will also open random bags as well. I noticed a dog nearby but they did not appear to be using him on the luggage, at least for the 2 minutes I was back there.

What you are referring to taking place after your retrieve your luggage is only with Customs, for which I have never had to open my bag in Brasil. Is there theft? No doubt, and I would be surprised if they open every bag, but I guess they have the right to do so.

I do know GIG better get their collective shit together before the Olympics; GIG is the slowest airport I have ever been through and I have traveled to some really crappy Third World countries. Brasil should have higher standards.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]I was wondering as I'm going thru SP in a few months even tho it's not my usual. There's a couple of youtube vids of it on the web but it's hard to say from them if it's still a hooker place or more a regular disco. Doesn't seem to be mentioned on the SP thread which surprised me if it is still what it used to be and still really amazing or whatever.[/QUOTE]

Love Story is a fun place.
Full of pros and non-pros, semi-pros, could be and wanna be pros :) , easy to tell who's who after a short conversation.

I like hangin out there but because I'm a daytime guy, I like starting my day and doing things early, it's tough for me to hang there, cause it's such a late night / early morning place.

[QUOTE=Dutch44]Nope, she did not look as nice as in the pictures. Some of the Karla girls however are quite good looking. (at least a 7) See my other mail of 2 days ago.

Dutch

PS: Tits, you were right. Lesson learned - if tits are not on the photo there is probably a good reason.[/QUOTE]Yes. I have had success with them and scortshow in the past. I have found several grils that were real into it, good looking and not clock watchers. I have had better experiences with them than some of the termas and for a hell of a lot less.

[QUOTE=Ricker]Love Story is a fun place.
Full of pros and non-pros, semi-pros, could be and wanna be pros :) , easy to tell who's who after a short conversation.

I like hangin out there but because I'm a daytime guy, I like starting my day and doing things early, it's tough for me to hang there, cause it's such a late night / early morning place.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Ricker. I'm very much a late night person so might well enjoy it. I'll mostly be with a non-pro friend in SP so thanks for the heads up about the mix.

[QUOTE=Prosal]LOL.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=89[/url] (thanks Gaucho9 for quoting me BTW :))[/QUOTE]I quoted you? First notice.

We both started with the same concept (Love Story's music, better than Help's). But that's it.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Oh yeah? Yet I've never noticed any argument in the Uzbekistan forum, where I'm the most active participant. That said, admittedly, the people who travel to Tashkent (or, more extensively, to FSU) are definitely not the same breed of mongers than those who travel to cheap mass-prostitution destinations like Rio, TJ, Pattaya or AC. Maybe the former explains the latter.[/QUOTE]A breed apart. ah oui, mon petit ami, that you are.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Thanks Ricker. I'm very much a late night person so might well enjoy it. I'll mostly be with a non-pro friend in SP so thanks for the heads up about the mix.[/QUOTE]

Muito prazer :)
Since you're a night owl, you'll enjoy.

BTW, you may already know this, but KILT and My Love are located nearby.
You could hangout or check out the scene there til the hour arrives for Love Story.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]I've a feeling PP probably manages to give out the similar vibe as I do on this sort of malarkey. I hope we can even meet up in some despicable den of iniquity at some time and observe each other's technique. PP - am off to Kolkata and SG in a few weeks time.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I usually wear a poker face for the support staff so I don't look too approachable for the handouts. I save my smiles for the boite. It works well in Rio, but in other places it doesn't seem to stop them.

Sometime, that would be great. Kolkata and SG sounds fun! My next one is probably Tokyo then maybe AC but probably Jakarta for Hotel Travel until I drop. Hard to resist ghostpainted girls tossing salad and giving raw BBFS; indulging all my perversions for a pittance of ~30USD/hora. I almost missed my flight out of there for a final ride of this one, so good. [post]1006547[/post] Rio people would like it, its more low key and decentralized rather than central RLD's like some other places. Like Rio, you'd never know the sporting life exists there unless you were looking for it. I like to consider it my way of contributing to positive relations between Estados Unidos and the Islamic world. Other people want to make war, I want to make sex.

All this talk of LS and sampa are taking me back to my roots. My career as a hobbyist was started down there in the Dreams and Bacos clubs. Great town.

Before Help closed, programa girls, looking for tourist money, used to hang out and sunbathe in the afternoon on the beach in Copa across from Help. Are they still there? If not, are they at another beach now during the daytime, and if so exactly where?

Man, this forum has been dead and boring for a few months now. I guess everything that could be said has been said. I´m down here causing trouble in Rio but have spent more time perusing the FKK forums lately. No worries.

BTW - the women are as hot & sexy as ever. Sure things are a bit more expensive but that´s life. Not likely to change soon unless the economy here in Brazil takes an unexpected nose-dive. As far as I´m concerned this country still has some of the best damn dames on the planet.

- DSK

[QUOTE=Henry R]Before Help closed, programa girls, looking for tourist money, used to hang out and sunbathe in the afternoon on the beach in Copa across from Help. Are they still there? If not, are they at another beach now during the daytime, and if so exactly where?[/QUOTE]

You can always find a few Terma girls working on their tan right in front of Caesar Park in Posto 9. CP is a very expensive hotel, make it clear you are not staying there!

Enough of the Help closure already!!!! We have a bigger problem brewing on our hands.

Dilma Rousseff, if elected as presidente in two weeks, is going to 'cockblock' all of us out of Brazil.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes]Enough of the Help closure already!!!! We have a bigger problem brewing on our hands.

Dilma Rousseff, if elected as presidente in two weeks, is going to 'cockblock' all of us out of Brazil.[/QUOTE]
What's the latest on this? I'm out of the loop. Religious right earlier were saying she wants to legalise prostitution and other sensible things
[url]http://prmauriciobrito.blo[/url]* gspot.com/2010/08/eis-as-razoes-porque-nao-voto-em-dilma.html
Is this a new move to capture extra votes? What's she want to do - fight tourists instead of crime, or what? Fill us in.

*correct the space in the URL manually - the software is blocking the URL but can't imagine ISG objecting to this link - the webpage is a rant by an anti-Rousseff religionist, but if the next president of Brasil is pro-prostitution, as it claims, what's the deal with sex tourists? (Am on my mobile and not in Brasil so can't check O Globo etc very easily)

[QUOTE=Henry R]Before Help closed, programa girls, looking for tourist money, used to hang out and sunbathe in the afternoon on the beach in Copa across from Help. Are they still there? If not, are they at another beach now during the daytime, and if so exactly where?[/QUOTE]I was in Rio last week. Spent some time at a bar/resto on Copacabana called Meia Pataca (spelling?). I was with a wingman and there were quite a few gdp's working the mostly male patrons. A couple were decent looking and a couple were not. YMMV.

Here'S what I remember:

4x4

200 BRL for 40 minutes, 220 BRL for 60 minutes, 50 BRL entry, still waived before 17:00. Mostly 8s and above. I was there right when they opened and there were only about 15 girls working. More come in at 15:00, and more at 17:00. Very little English spoken here, so it was a bit confusing. (So thanks to everyone who has contributed here. It really gave me a heads up on what to expect.) Other commenters have mentioned that often the girls are up and out of the room as soon as you've done, even if the time isn't up. My girl wasn't like that at all. She stayed for the full hour, no problem. As to the problem of asking for tips, the only time that I experienced this was when I went to pay. The checkout girl asked if I would like to leave a tip. I asked if it was for the girl or for everyone. She replied no, it was for her! All told, my experience cost R$226 and I loved the place. Well worth the money.

L'uomo

Got there at 16:30. About 15 girls working. Nothing wrong with them, but none my type. 60 BRL entry, but only 30 BRL before 19:00. 320 BRL for 40 minutes, 340 BRL for 60 minutes, 360 BRL for 60 minutes in a suite. (I think) Laid back atmosphere, girls waited until you called them over. My girl was less definitely less skillful and more interested in getting it over with than at 4x4. Few English speaking girls. Hot water in the showers! The standard room was smaller and not as nice as 4x4.

Centaurus. Very loud place. Girls were extremely aggressive. Very much like an American strip club. Girls not as hot as have been described, but they did have the best English skills. I wasn't impressed at all by this place, but it depends on what you are looking for. I don't remember the prices, but it was very expensive.

This Saturday at Balcony was a different story. Either everyone worthwhile was occupied or they were elsewhere. Hurt my eyes to even look it was so bad. Went around to a number of the clubs and more of the same. The hottest girl I saw was a well built blond with a major tattoo on her arm. Also, the TVs were out in numbers everywhere including at Balcony.

Now that help is closed, where should i go at night?

[QUOTE=July Gan]Heading to Rio in a couple of weeks and I was wondering if Paola (indian looking morena, long straight hair with a fringe and smoking body) has been currently seen there...[/QUOTE]If you are still interested, she was back at L'uomo last night. Looking great as usual. Didn't get a chance to talk with her about her schedule.

Don´t know if anyone else has mentioned this, but while visiting Monte Carlo Termas last Friday I learned that they will be closed every Sunday until sometime in November. The manager said that they are renovating and adding new/more rooms upstairs. Sundays are usually pretty dead in Terma-land anyway.

This past Sunday the Devil took a day of rest so no worries for me. Have to figure out what trouble to cause tonight, and where.

- DSK

Nice report carot top, excellent in fact. Nice report as well to Exec, although I must comment that the talent must be a bit lacking if one has to mention TV's even in passing. Not having a go at you exec, I actually got a smile out of your post. Say what you will about Rio, it is never dull!

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick]Don´t know if anyone else has mentioned this, but while visiting Monte Carlo Termas last Friday I learned that they will be closed every Sunday until sometime in November. The manager said that they are renovating and adding new/more rooms upstairs. Sundays are usually pretty dead in Terma-land anyway.
...

DSK[/QUOTE]Yeah, I reported that sometime ago. I seem to recall there was some discussion. Glad you confirm.

L'uomo has really started to jump on Sundays. It was packed last night at times.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Nice report carot top, excellent in fact. Nice report as well to Exec, although I must comment that the talent must be a bit lacking if one has to mention TV's even in passing. Not having a go at you exec, I actually got a smile out of your post. Say what you will about Rio, it is never dull![/QUOTE]
The main reason I brought up the TVs is because they look better than many of the regular girls and I wanted to make sure guys do not get caught up in a situation like a buddy of mine did a few years back. He was kissing all over a Help girl and gets her back to his apartment only to find out "she" had a package! He said he was tempted because "she" was gorgeous but ended up kicking her out. It used to be that you would see a few TVs down around Barbarella but now quite a few seem to be hanging around Balcony.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]Yeah, I reported that sometime ago. I seem to recall there was some discussion. Glad you confirm.

L'uomo has really started to jump on Sundays. It was packed last night at times.[/QUOTE]Passed by MC yesterday and it is indeed closed on Sundays. L'uomo has some really good and new talent these days. Also, there is no cover if you arrive before 4:00 and take a girl sometime during the night. Get there before 7:00 and take a girl and entrance is half off. You can pay everything, including the girl, and there is no extra charge for using your credit card. Food is now only served on Saturdays. Keep in mind though that termas talent changes almost weekly so get 'em while they're hot!

I was in rio last week and Exec Talent is correct. Balcony is full of TVs! I would say they are at least 35% of the crowd in balcony! I was really shocked how many of them work in the bar every single night!

[QUOTE=Bravo]I was in rio last week and Exec Talent is correct. Balcony is full of TVs! I would say they are at least 35% of the crowd in balcony! I was really shocked how many of them work in the bar every single night![/QUOTE]That is fuggin disgusting. On past trips I have seen 1 or 2 of them here and there but 35%? Thx for the heads up. I will make a point to avoid Balcony. Given most of the reports here wont be missing much.

Is 4x4 open on Sundays?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Mongmann]That is fuggin disgusting. On past trips I have seen 1 or 2 of them here and there but 35%? Thx for the heads up. I will make a point to avoid Balcony. Given most of the reports here wont be missing much.[/QUOTE]

In Brazil it pays to be tolerant. Rio has a very large gay population and a ton of tranny's. I personally don't care what 2 consenting adults do amongst themselves - you need to be way past judging anybody.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]In Brazil it pays to be tolerant. Rio has a very large gay population and a ton of tranny's. I personally don't care what 2 consenting adults do amongst themselves - you need to be way past judging anybody.[/QUOTE]
Problems of Trannies:
you might mistaken them among all these muscled girls. As another poster mentioned, they are prettier then most ugly Balcony riffraff

Trannies are dangerous, if they act up they are stronger then girls. Dangerous!

Most guys here really get turned off by seeing them. And lots of girls might get scared off. After all, they are men, strong, intimidating.

Of course, balcony is probably not the best of places anyway ..........

[QUOTE=Lex Lector]Is 4x4 open on Sundays?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

NO. not even Sat, as far as I remember. Caters to downtown Brazilian executives.

[QUOTE=Boofer]Now that help is closed, where should i go at night?[/QUOTE]

I sleep at nights, so I would not even know where to go.

I could not get myself to go to the new nightclub were "Quebramar" used to be, in the beginning of Barra. I mean RIGHT at the beginning of the beach, it ends there. If the taxi does not turn the curve, it will crash into it. One block away from termas Praia 400 (?), the "casa Amarela", yellow house.


Ask taxi for old Quebramar bar, he will find it.

Looks like the new Help. Expensive girls .............

Someone try it and report on it.

There is also Paris Cafe. Far away in Recreio. And Praça Mauá nightclubs, plus the Copacabana strip clubs.

Now there are plenty of agencies, massage parlors, brothels that open during the day. Enough to get you tired for a good night's sleep.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]In Brazil it pays to be tolerant. Rio has a very large gay population and a ton of tranny's. I personally don't care what 2 consenting adults do amongst themselves - you need to be way past judging anybody.[/QUOTE]I personally don't care what two adults do either. But when I'm on vacation I have the right to decide where I want to hang out. I'm not into the trannie scene so if I'm told that they're 35% of a particular place I'll pass on that place. Would you go to a terma that was 35% trannie? I sure wouldn't.

[QUOTE=Mongmann]I personally don't care what two adults do either. But when I'm on vacation I have the right to decide where I want to hang out. I'm not into the trannie scene so if I'm told that they're 35% of a particular place I'll pass on that place. Would you go to a terma that was 35% trannie? I sure wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
I think Bubba and BS were just trying to give some kindly advice for your safety and well-being. Obviously avoid places where you might see people you'd find offensive. The board does not tolerate TV/TS and you can express your feelings openly. But be aware that in Brasil it would be imprudent to be so vocal of course. TS people extend from scary streetwalkers to leading celebrities. Remember in the old days some people used to find 'black men' disgusting? Most countries are now intolerant of racism thank goodness. But Brasil is not intolerant of gender preference. If need be, just be sure you explain you 'only like women!' ;)

Wow 35 percent thats 1 out 3, Not good for mongers who like to do the late night. Unfortunate for those that travel so far and thats what they have to choose from.

Just a quick update on this seldom mentioned gem right at ground zero in Copacabana. It would appeal to those who like the mid to low end of the pay scale. Prices from 55 for 20 min to 125 for an hour.

There were 5 or 6 girls at 7:30, at least 3 in the running. I settled on a spectacular, if Bohemian, Minera who is all of 22. Cafe con leche, long curly hair and curvy figure. Great attitude and a simple beauty that can help with ones perspective when confronted by lesser but more produced Sirens.

This place is sort of an upscale BA85 type of place but only the one bar. So it is small. The cabinas are the partition style but clean, or relatively so. I was offered a shower. Better than BA85 not as good as day time casas like Bel Prazer.

Total damage 65 for 30 minutes with a goddess plus 4 for a beer. No entrada. At the corner of Toneleros and Siquiera Campos. 10 to10 Mon. to Sat.

With Help closed, everyone is asking where the action is. But as many already know, there are dozens of little casas all over the place, often in those office buildings all through Copacabana.

Unfortunately, they can be hard to find, but often when walking on Atlantica you'll encounter a tout who will offer to show you the places. While I usually recommend avoiding touts, it may be worth it to throw some Reals his way, as he'll talk you to places you didn't know existed, and where the girls are WAAAAY cheaper than the old Help girls.

[QUOTE=Auriflama]Wow 35 percent thats 1 out 3, Not good for mongers who like to do the late night. Unfortunate for those that travel so far and thats what they have to choose from.[/QUOTE]

That is a lot. I need to check this out because last time I was there, I didn't see any TVs. But that was a month or so back. Not to cast any aspersions, but it doesn't make sense. Who would they sell to? Unless the buying crowd has changed or mongers in large numbers get drunk and/or fooled, it doesn't make business sense.

This will probably start an argument, but I wonder if the story of the monger fooled by the TV is an urban legend. I have beenhearing the story for years and it is always a friend of a friend. The other thing to consider is that the TV probably wants no surprises. That could be dangerous.

I did see some tall women last time I was at Balconey, but definitely not TVs. It seems that some people find balcony girls very different from those at Help. I see a mixture of the former Help and Balcony girls. YMMV.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]That is a lot. I need to check this out because last time I was there, I didn't see any TVs. But that was a month or so back. Not to cast any aspersions, but it doesn't make sense. Who would they sell to? Unless the buying crowd has changed or mongers in large numbers get drunk and/or fooled, it doesn't make business sense.

This will probably start an argument, but I wonder if the story of the monger fooled by the TV is an urban legend. I have beenhearing the story for years and it is always a friend of a friend. The other thing to consider is that the TV probably wants no surprises. That could be dangerous.

I did see some tall women last time I was at Balconey, but definitely not TVs. It seems that some people find balcony girls very different from those at Help. I see a mixture of the former Help and Balcony girls. YMMV.[/QUOTE]
I do not want to beat a dead horse here because the purpose of this board is clearly not to discuss ad nauseam TVs but I do want to offer a closing comment since I brought up the subject. First, I think 35% is a high estimate but there are a lot more in the area of Balcony than I remember. Previously most TVs were along Atlantica, NS Copacabana or near Barbarella. The ones I saw were in a group or alone. I did not see any guys talking with them. I too question if they really have a market.

As for the story I wrote about the guy and the TV it came firsthand from the guy himself. His apartment was next to mine and around 4:00 AM I heard a ruckus in the hallway and asked him about it the next day. He is a big guy, well built and although it was hard not to laugh as he recounted the incident, he told it straight. I do not think that there is any bragging rights in telling your friends how you go suckered in by a TV and then because "she" was so hot you thought about doing "her" anyway.

Let's move on now and talk about real women. I cannot tell if they were non-GDPs, semi-pros or pros but lately all around Rio the women seem to be getting much more assertive. In Centro yesterday a young attractive woman carrying a political banner walked by me smiled and said lindo. On the metro another women smiled at me several times. Also on the metro I met a girl who told me she worked at Erotica and walked with me to NS before I had to go.

My point is that just being out and about offers some opportunities. And for those who do not spend much time in Rio, a smile is significant since most women are used to being hit on by Brazilians non-stop and unless they are interested, do not offer the slightest bit of encouragement.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I do not want to beat a dead horse here because the purpose of this board is clearly not to discuss ad nauseam TVs but I do want to offer a closing comment since I brought up the subject. First, I think 35% is a high estimate but there are a lot more in the area of Balcony than I remember. Previously most TVs were along Atlantica, NS Copacabana or near Barbarella. The ones I saw were in a group or alone. I did not see any guys talking with them. I too question if they really have a market.

As for the story I wrote about the guy and the TV it came firsthand from the guy himself. His apartment was next to mine and around 4:00 AM I heard a ruckus in the hallway and asked him about it the next day. He is a big guy, well built and although it was hard not to laugh as he recounted the incident, he told it straight. I do not think that there is any bragging rights in telling your friends how you go suckered in by a TV and then because "she" was so hot you thought about doing "her" anyway.

Let's move on now and talk about real women. I cannot tell if they were non-GDPs, semi-pros or pros but lately all around Rio the women seem to be getting much more assertive. In Centro yesterday a young attractive woman carrying a political banner walked by me smiled and said lindo. On the metro another women smiled at me several times. Also on the metro I met a girl who told me she worked at Erotica and walked with me to NS before I had to go.

My point is that just being out and about offers some opportunities. And for those who do not spend much time in Rio, a smile is significant since most women are used to being hit on by Brazilians non-stop and unless they are interested, do not offer the slightest bit of encouragement.[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, in my opinion, discussion of the clients at monger bars is pretty important so let's not close that door until the place has been reported on a few more times. Both of us doubt the 35% figure, but that is fair game to discuss. As far as I know, the main area for these types is over in Gloria and I have never seen them in these numbers as reported in Copacabana. But maybe I have just missed it or things have changed. It would be good to know which.

As far as the truth of the story of the mistaken transvestite, I don't know for a fact. I only know what has been written. Again with all due respect, I have been hearing this story in different forms for 25 years. That does not mean the guy didn't tell you that or that it doesn't happen. For me, it remains as before: second hand. I personally have been approached by TVs in at least two countries and they have always let me know clearly what the deal was.

Anyway, no offense meant, just searching for truth and light, err, and the dark as well.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]Who would they sell to? Unless the buying crowd has changed or mongers in large numbers get drunk and/or fooled, it doesn't make business sense.

This will probably start an argument, but I wonder if the story of the monger fooled by the TV is an urban legend. I have beenhearing the story for years and it is always a friend of a friend. The other thing to consider is that the TV probably wants no surprises. That could be dangerous.
[/QUOTE]

Do you not remember the scandal about Ronaldo the famous footballer fooled by two TVs? Not a monger but a local!!
There has always been a small crowd of quasi mulhers in copa. If you ask any of the long term sex workers in Copa they will tell you tales about clients who like to have threesomes with them. There has always been a market for them but not usually in the bar scene with the exception of the few who used to work help.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]Do you not remember the scandal about Ronaldo the famous footballer fooled by two TVs? Not a monger but a local!!
There has always been a small crowd of quasi mulhers in copa. If you ask any of the long term sex workers in Copa they will tell you tales about clients who like to have threesomes with them. There has always been a market for them but not usually in the bar scene with the exception of the few who used to work help.[/QUOTE]

It sounds like we agree that it has not been heavy in Copacabana in the past. Of course there is a market, but mostly in Gloria from my experience. But maybe that is changing. Maybe they have overrun Balcony. I've gotta go check that out. That would be a sight to see.

Ronaldo got fooled? Now that is a good story.

If somebody isn't familiar with Balcony, here is their site:
[url]http://www.balconyrio.com[/url]

Don't get fooled by the photos and videos thinking that Balcony is a bar with lots of hot girls.

Maybe somebody lied and said there all those tranny's to keep everyone away because he wanted all the ugly dogs at balcony for himself.

This might be a stupid question but does anyone know if VM opens on saturdays and sundays? I tried to search the forum but couldn't come up the answer. The reason I ask is b/c I arrive in Rio on Friday night, so I am trying to figure out possible options on the weekends.

Also does anyone have any idea which room (sala) number Clínica Espaço Zen is? I know it is on Rua 13 de Maio. I was looking on gpguia.net and I saw one post that said "1004'. Can anyone confirm this? Again, I searched this forum but couldn't find any info.

Thanks in advance!

VM never closes. But it might be slim pickings on certain times of the day or night.
[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon]This might be a stupid question but does anyone know if VM opens on saturdays and sundays? I tried to search the forum but couldn't come up the answer. The reason I ask is b/c I arrive in Rio on Friday night, so I am trying to figure out possible options on the weekends.

Also does anyone have any idea which room (sala) number Clínica Espaço Zen is? I know it is on Rua 13 de Maio. I was looking on gpguia.net and I saw one post that said "1004'. Can anyone confirm this? Again, I searched this forum but couldn't find any info.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

Will be in Rio. First time. Don't speak Portuguese. Late 30s but in good shape and look young. Have lots of recommendations for places to visit from previous travelers but looking for a wingman, ideally one with some Portuguese:) Trying to arrange accomodation with Americoa but I might stay in a hotel as well.

Anyone else gonna be there and in a similar situation?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Mks123]Will be in Rio. First time. Don't speak Portuguese. Late 30s but in good shape and look young. Have lots of recommendations for places to visit from previous travelers but looking for a wingman, ideally one with some Portuguese:) Trying to arrange accomodation with Americoa but I might stay in a hotel as well.

Anyone else gonna be there and in a similar situation?

Cheers![/QUOTE]I will be making my third trip to brasil in three years. Will arrive in Rio a day before u. Speaking porto is not needed to have a good time in brasil unless you are trying to pick up non-pros. However, I do advise you to learn simple greeting phrases and numbers.

I usually go solo but if you need someone to show you around the centro area of Rio I have no problem helping you out.

I myself is looking for a partner to go to VM with me. Ideally one who has been there and know the ropes. But if you are also interested in VM, maybe we can find someone willing to take us there.

Three days is not enough to experience what Rio has to offer but you will definitely get a taste of the good life. Don't waste your time in copacabana, instead, go straight for the casas and termas in centro (my recommendation: Av. Rio Branco 185/2114 and Termas 4x4 and Cancun).

I finally got by there last night to check out the scene. It seems to keep changing because when I got there around 10:30 at what should be the peak time, the place was jammed with mongers, but had a shortage of garotas. Usually there are crowds of them on the sidewalk, inside, outside, etc. I stayed for an hour or so and it didn't change much. So not just a lack of talent which has been bemoaned on this board, but just a shortage of females, period.

An old friend who is always offering me massages and more than willing to call in reinforcements was thumbing through her book and making calls, but not able to bring in more garotas. It was a strange scene. But, it is low season and I guess many are taking time off. I didn't see any of the storied TVs but she told me they had been coming, but later, after midnight or 1:00.

So, from what I saw, mongers would not be threatened by the 35% figure reported except perhaps later. Don't know about that first hand, past my bedtime. However, I think people would have been disappointed last night with the selection. I expect this will change when the weather gets better. I managed to find something for 200 without any bargaining so probably could have gotten it for 150. Didn't feel like making the effort.

Meanwhile, the selection in Centaurus remains astounding. Some of the most beautiful and nice girls, not just in Rio, but in the world, are there. There is just about every type you could want there. IMHO. This is the big leagues, and no doubt you will pay for it. Still 450 -- thank god they haven't gone up again. And as ET said there is a nice crop of fresh faces at Luomo, not to mention a lot of familiar ones.

Centro
I have to report a major disappointment at one of my centro favorites -- RB 156, 3320. I got there early one day last week and was only introduced to 3 garotas. I picked the first, Tailita (or something like that) because she smiled a lot, talked and had bright eyes. In the sack she turned into one of those control freaks. You know the kind, they would be doing it in body armor if they could get away with it. Always blocking you with arms and legs, constantly grabbing the condom to check that it is still on, etc. I really hate that. Somewhat less than giving herself with total abandon. So watch out for that one.

Best value all around recently was Toneleros 173. However, I went by early yesterday and that was a real disappointment. They say they are open 10-10, but at 3:00 there was only one garota, not to my liking. So, I guess the advice is to go after 5:00 and before 9:00. Even though open until 10, at 9 some were already taking off it they didn't have something going. Small place, but if you catch it at the right time, it is great.

Believe it or not but for the last two nights there appeared to be a tupperware party being held in MP!!!! Well not a party strictly speaking, they weren't selling the stuff but were having some sort of meeting.
There were more couples and families than garotas, even the street vendors appear to have disappeared.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]It sounds like we agree that it has not been heavy in Copacabana in the past. Of course there is a market, but mostly in Gloria from my experience. But maybe that is changing. Maybe they have overrun Balcony. I've gotta go check that out. That would be a sight to see.

Ronaldo got fooled? Now that is a good story.[/QUOTE]How do you know Ronaldo got fooled? Maybe he was stalking trannies and they decided to rob him instead.

[QUOTE=Brazil Lover]With Help closed, everyone is asking where the action is. But as many already know, there are dozens of little casas all over the place, often in those office buildings all through Copacabana.

Unfortunately, they can be hard to find, but often when walking on Atlantica you'll encounter a tout who will offer to show you the places. While I usually recommend avoiding touts, it may be worth it to throw some Reals his way, as he'll talk you to places you didn't know existed, and where the girls are WAAAAY cheaper than the old Help girls.[/QUOTE]I guess no one can complain about the possibilities in Rio in regards to GDP`s, but the main problem is the lack of a new Help. It is not so much about the action, which is almost endlessly there, but the "feeling" that Help gave. I myself was there more for the "circus" than the girls, even though I at times brought home company if she was beautiful and appealing enough

[QUOTE=Fronyl]I guess no one can complain about the possibilities in Rio in regards to GDP`s, but the main problem is the lack of a new Help. It is not so much about the action, which is almost endlessly there, but the "feeling" that Help gave. I myself was there more for the "circus" than the girls, even though I at times brought home company if she was beautiful and appealing enough[/QUOTE]Fronyl:

I agree with you 100 percent! I will totally miss that kind of atmosphere!

Also, to anyone, I would like to know what is the deal on the small upstairs disco next door to Balcony Bar (just west of it). I have never been there, but read somewhere that many Help girls are going there. Any info? Worth going to?

Can someone provide me with a website address or link to Centaurus so I can get a better idea of what it is all about? Do they have the highest percentage of white brazilian beauties here compared to other clubs. Are there any pictures of these girls anywhere on the net? On a seperate note are there are any discrimination on entrance to foreigners at centaurus as I am of middleeastern parents, but grew up in england? Finally regarding escort agencies can anyone give some names of agencies with the most beautiful brazilian girls especially brazilian white?

Thanks for all help,

Mohab

[QUOTE=Henry R]Fronyl:

I agree with you 100 percent!! I will totally miss that kind of atmosphere!

Also, to anyone, I would like to know what is the deal on the small upstairs disco next door to Balcony Bar (just west of it). I have never been there, but read somewhere that many Help girls are going there. Any info? Worth going to?[/QUOTE]

The little bar you refer to is very sad, had promise but is just sad.

[QUOTE=Fronyl]I guess no one can complain about the possibilities in Rio in regards to GDP`s, but the main problem is the lack of a new Help. It is not so much about the action, which is almost endlessly there, but the "feeling" that Help gave. I myself was there more for the "circus" than the girls, even though I at times brought home company if she was beautiful and appealing enough[/QUOTE]Fortaleza has a nice troika of places where most of the action takes place - Forro Mambo, Cafe del Mar, Club Europa (with 11pm-1am pregame at Zipi Bar) - that, to me, was even better for "feel" than Help. So much so that I'm working Fortaleza back into my itinerary for a trip in Nov/Dec.

Bijou summary (he was there with me): [url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1066425&postcount=1093[/url]

My summary: [url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1066898&postcount=1094[/url]

Also look for a few reports before my summary for some pics of a few of the girls I took back.

[QUOTE=Mohab]Can someone provide me with a website address or link to Centaurus so I can get a better idea of what it is all about? Do they have the highest percentage of white brazilian beauties here compared to other clubs. Are there any pictures of these girls anywhere on the net? On a seperate note are there are any discrimination on entrance to foreigners at centaurus as I am of middleeastern parents, but grew up in england? Finally regarding escort agencies can anyone give some names of agencies with the most beautiful brazilian girls especially brazilian white?

Thanks for all help,

Mohab[/QUOTE]

Centaurus is my least favourite place in Rio, hence I am biased. It could be argued that the look that is dominant at Cent is that of white brazilian. They have less darker skinned girls than other places. Hence if you are into that it would be worth checking out. However it is the most expensive terma in Rio. There is no website with pictures of the girls that are up to date. Just go there. The last time I was there there was one hot chick, the rest were very ordinary, never seen it as bad, however that talent comes and goes.

Entrance R$120
Girl + room 40 minuites R$330
Total without drinks is going to be R$450 minimum.

It is located in Ipanema ( rua canning rua = street) on the border with Copacabana. Google maps is great.

They descriminate against all foreigners, just not middle eastern dudes. In fact being of middle eastern appearance you will look more Brazilian than your average foreigner, hence this could be to your advantage. They descriminate by charging foreigners R$20 more than locals. They also try and charge you the full R$450 up front, but you can just pay the R$120, but need to ask. All the staff at the reception speak excellent Englsih, probably better English than mine. The guy that has been there forever also speaks Spanish and passable French & Italian

General cent info: The girls are very very aggressive as instructed by management, they will bug you like flys on shit.

Escort agencies are a lottery in any country.

[QUOTE=Mohab]Can someone provide me with a website address or link to Centaurus so I can get a better idea of what it is all about? Do they have the highest percentage of white brazilian beauties here compared to other clubs. Are there any pictures of these girls anywhere on the net? On a seperate note are there are any discrimination on entrance to foreigners at centaurus as I am of middleeastern parents, but grew up in england? Finally regarding escort agencies can anyone give some names of agencies with the most beautiful brazilian girls especially brazilian white?

Thanks for all help,

Mohab[/QUOTE]Centaurus management are strictly cold business when it comes to the tourist trade. I'm a Brit but speak Portuguese, they think I am Brazilian. I pay less for entrance and only pay when leaving. I have never understood why Gringos use this place when there are similar places that treat you with more respect and charge less.

[QUOTE=Henry R]Fronyl:

I agree with you 100 percent! I will totally miss that kind of atmosphere!

Also, to anyone, I would like to know what is the deal on the small upstairs disco next door to Balcony Bar (just west of it). I have never been there, but read somewhere that many Help girls are going there. Any info? Worth going to?[/QUOTE]

I second all your motions, that place was legendary! There have been talks of a replacement, but they are just talk. Add to that the current goverment does not look like they want that atmosphere on Copa or anywhere else again.

Boa Noche my fellow mongers!
I was reading O Dia today and came across a very interesting article. Google today added the "street view" feature to some major Brasilian cities. Rio and Sao Paulo are there for sure. I read the article at work and had to test it immediately, I wanted to see the time period of the pics. I put the "yellow man" on Atlantica Ave right between MP and where Help was. I panned around and yes they show Help in the pics, so I know the pics are at least 2 years old, but for us mongers its now good to have a visual of what we are looking for. I am going to use this feature a lot in Centro and Sao Paulo, check it out on your Google Maps or Earth and Happy Mongering.

[QUOTE=Henry R]Fronyl:

Also, to anyone, I would like to know what is the deal on the small upstairs disco next door to Balcony Bar (just west of it). I have never been there, but read somewhere that many Help girls are going there. Any info? Worth going to?[/QUOTE]It's called Dolce Vita's. The awesome DJ from Help (I forget his name now), some of the staff, and most of the quality Help girls took over the joint right after Help closed. I was there the whole month of Janeiro and Fevereiro and saw it all transpire before my eyes

The place is small, no doubt, and nothing gets started until midnight so don't even try to go earlier. But it's open 'til 4-5am so adjust your schedule accordingly! Once it kicks in it's like Help concentrated into 40 square meters. I love it, girls will grind and dance with you everywhere, there are naked strippers in cages, and a little roped in VIP section in the back if you want to get a table and chill out with friends. This past February, just before Carnaval, they had some outrageously beautiful Samba girls dancing some nights between 2-3am and the place went nuts. I love the fact the old DJ from help spins there because he really gets the girls going. And the ladies are TOP QUALITY (in my opinion, and I am picky). You'll see a lot of high-end Terma girls show up, as well as 'amateur' talent.

The next "super club" that is supposedly in the works is 'La Meridian' but I haven't heard anything new about it since my last trip. The good news is, I'm leaving in 5 days for Rio and spending the entire Winter (their Summer) this trip so I'll know first hand in a week or two where all the action is at. This will be my 5th trip in 2 years (2. 5 when I'm done). I've been to almost every Terma in Rio (my favorites are 4x4 and L'Uomo, hands down) but I prefer to pick up girls at the clubs and bring them back to my apartment for the night. And I've never, knock wood (pun intended), had a single problem at my apartment w/a girl. Wait, that's not true, Bianca tried to burn the place down my 2nd trip, but that's just Bianca. She's a lot of fun if you give her EXACTLY what she asks for. No negotiating. LOL. She's worth it though, at least once.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]The little bar you refer to is very sad, had promise but is just sad.[/QUOTE]Hey BB,

I just want to say MUITO OBRIGADO for your report! OMG, you are the man! I remember my first trip back in Sep '08, I brought a print-out of the report on the plane with me and read it start to finish like chicks read romance novels! Lofl

So Dolce Vita's is sad now huh? I was there back in Jan/Fev when it took off after Help closed. I thought it was great for what it was worth. What's the story with La Meridian? And have you been to Cafe del Mar on Av Atlantica, if so, is it any good? One of mi amigos who used to work at DV's works there now and told me to stop in.

[QUOTE=Daniel69]It's called Dolce Vita's... And the ladies are TOP QUALITY (in my opinion, and I am picky).[/QUOTE]
If the Dolce Vita girls are top quality they cannot have anything in commun with the Balcony girls. Funny how two next-door places can have such different quality of the girls...

Maybe I should visit Dolce Vita? The last time I sat my foot in that place it was a really bad strip-club, Holiday. It can't be worse than Holiday.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper]Google today added the "street view" feature to some major Brasilian cities.[/QUOTE]
Nice!
Even Vila Mimosa has a street view (search:rua sotero dos reis rio de janeiro). The view is from daytime so the action is very slow. Only a few pro's hanging around.

I guess this street view can be handy for those first-time visitors to VM who feels scared of visiting the Shangri-La of Rio.

RE: Club above Balcony. When it first started it was ok, a lot of run off from Help. I have been there twice in the last 2 months and it sucked --- badly!

Anyone been there like last week?

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]Fortaleza has a nice troika of places where most of the action takes place - Forro Mambo, Cafe del Mar, Club Europa (with 11pm-1am pregame at Zipi Bar) - that, to me, was even better for "feel" than Help. So much so that I'm working Fortaleza back into my itinerary for a trip in Nov/Dec.[/quote]I have been to fortaleza several times and it is no Rio in terms of quality of women. Its like a different world. No asses and little to no english skills. I speak portuguese well, but the average monger will have some trouble anywhere north of Salvador. Yes it's worth a visit, but not the answer to help woes in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]RE: Club above Balcony. When it first started it was ok, a lot of run off from Help. I have been there twice in the last 2 months and it sucked --- badly!

Anyone been there like last week?[/QUOTE]


I am sure it was outstanding right after Help closed. I was in DV 3 weeks ago and it sucks, balcony sucks, in fact, the whole Copa scene sucks!

[QUOTE=Bootytapper]Boa Noche my fellow mongers!

I was reading O Dia today and came across a very interesting article. Google today added the "street view" feature to some major Brasilian cities.[/QUOTE]"Yesterday marked the launch of Google Street View in Brazil, and it doesn’t look like everything went as well as the company probably would have liked. Not only did the Google Street View vehicle capture a couple of dead bodies on the side of one road, but it’s actually the second image to show such a scene in Brazil. While this isn’t the first time a dead body has shown up in a Google Street View sweep, that previous time had a happy ending, where the body turned out to be a girl that was simply playing a prank. That doesn’t seem to be the case this time around..."

Full Story: [url]http://www.slashgear.com/google-street-view-captures-dead-body-on-brazilian-street-01105609/#entrycontent[/url]

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]Fortaleza has a nice troika of places where most of the action takes place - Forro Mambo, Cafe del Mar, Club Europa (with 11pm-1am pregame at Zipi Bar) - that, to me, was even better for "feel" than Help. So much so that I'm working Fortaleza back into my itinerary for a trip in Nov/Dec.


Jd: (and to others who will be there)

I will be in Fortaleza Nov 20 - Nov 26. PM if interested in getting together for a drink.

[QUOTE=Bravo]I am sure it was outstanding right after Help closed. I was in DV 3 weeks ago and it sucks, balcony sucks, in fact, the whole Copa scene sucks![/QUOTE]Its more to Rio than just copa

[QUOTE=Allforrio]Its more to Rio than just copa[/QUOTE]

And your point is?

I was responding to a question about Balcony and Copa, not sure what your response was in reference to.

Ex-Méridien/Iberostar is being renovated for quite a long time. Why on earth would Iberostar be planning to open a club gathered to gringos and putas?
Help is gone (no loss at all) and won't have any real substitute.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Ex-Méridien/Iberostar is being renovated for quite a long time. Why on earth would Iberostar be planning to open a club gathered to gringos and putas?
Help is gone (no loss at all) and won't have any real substitute.[/QUOTE]


Sperto the latest rumor was that Iberostar was no longer involved with this project and the new rumor was as follows but I don't think it holds much water either, seems like a long shot but I hope I'm wrong:

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Here is my pure conjecture on the future venue for former Help customers.

Note: See previous photo progress at post #3610 in this thread.

For you nostalgia buffs, Help will soon be just a hole in the ground. These pics are from 03/24/10. The odds on the possibility of a reemergence at the Meridian are improving. In May 2009, the Meridian was purchased from the former owner, PREVI, the employee pension fund of the Bank of Brasil by the Windsor Hotel group. The Windsor group is controlled by Sr. José Oreiro Campos, an ex-pat Spaniard who is a former owner of two bingo parlors and has a controlling interest in several hotels in Rio. He also is an owner of ten Rio restaurants and, had a controlling interest in the former discotheque Help. The group bought the Meridien for R$ 170 million, paying installments for 60 months. The group made a down payment of R$ 25 millions, for the purchase on 27 May, 2009. A progress payment of R$ 10 millions is due on 27 of March of 2010. From 27 January, 2011 Windsor will pay 25 installments of R$ 2.7 millions, and other 15 of R$ 4.5 millions, corrected by the IGPM (market price index) plus 8% annual interest. The initial cash flow is consistent with the sale of Help.

Under an agreement dating back to the 1970s when the Meridian was constructed to a height which exceeded building limits for Copacabana there was an agreement with the Prefeitura of Rio de Janeiro that it would operate solely as a hotel. There were numerous proposals for mixed use of the building as offices, condominiums and hotel but the use restriction seemed to prohibit alternative businesses from operating in the facility. It is possible that Sr. Oreiro was successful in negotiating relief from this restriction in exchange for the timely demise of Help in 2009. In the huge edifice of the ex-Meridian building there is plenty of room for a new discotheque to open under the mantle of the Windsor Hotel group. Even without relief from the building use restriction, the hotel may operate a ballroom and convention space.

Help may not reemerge under its original name but Sr. Oreiro knows what sells and how to package his products.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]RE: Club above Balcony. When it first started it was ok, a lot of run off from Help. I have been there twice in the last 2 months and it sucked --- badly!

Anyone been there like last week?[/QUOTE]Yeah I was there. Probably 30-50 GDPs, but 50-60% were old and tired. 20 % were doable, and 3-4 real cuties. Personally I am not here for "doable" but go for the cuties, so while I did found company nor was there a great selection if out for the jaw-droppers.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Ex-Méridien/Iberostar is being renovated for quite a long time. Why on earth would Iberostar be planning to open a club gathered to gringos and putas?
[/QUOTE]Ummm. To fill the ginormous void left by Help. Apparently gringos and putas go well together so there's a huge market for it. Robing up at Termas is too contrived IMHO, I like the roll playing that goes on in the clubs (and my apartment). Bring on the next Help I say.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Sperto the latest rumor was that Iberostar was no longer involved with this project and the new rumor was as follows but I don't think it holds much water either, seems like a long shot but I hope I'm wrong:[/QUOTE]I heard the same thing (minus the details Poucolouco provided) from a reliable source about the Spaniard buying Le Méridien and turning it into a super club/hotel with multiple clubs on different floors. I think all of this was planned before Rio won the bid to host the Olympics though, because Le Méridien is directly across from the future Beach Volleyball tournament, and Garotas de programa don't suit well with family crowds.

Check out [url]http://www.RiOlympico.com[/url] for a presentation of the upcoming Olympics and you'll see the impact it's going to have on Copacabana, and especially where Le Méridien is.

It's too bad sex isn't considered a sport.

[QUOTE=Fatkatrio]I have been to fortaleza several times and it is no Rio in terms of quality of women. Its like a different world. No asses and little to no english skills. I speak portuguese well, but the average monger will have some trouble anywhere north of Salvador. Yes it's worth a visit, but not the answer to help woes in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I agree that Rio women are much higher quality, in general, but the price is also 2-3x. I also don't speak Portuguese at all, but got by on Spanish (spoken slowly) and body language. I'll be in Rio for a few days ahead of getting back to Fortaleza, and I'm looking forward to hitting it with some amazing hotties.

Hi I was at Luomo four months ago and found out that my best barmen (Barry) was fired because of food now luomo has a new barman called carlos he is a sh#t barman he can not make any drinks and does not now how to serve people, then we have peter that is f##$cking prick he was rude to me he telled me that I am a jerk.

Dick

[QUOTE=Fatkatrio]I have been to fortaleza several times and it is no Rio in terms of quality of women. Its like a different world. No asses and little to no english skills. I speak portuguese well, but the average monger will have some trouble anywhere north of Salvador. Yes it's worth a visit, but not the answer to help woes in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

It's true less English is spoken up north than in Rio. But let's face it, the programa girls in Rio don't speak much English either. Also, the girls in Fortaleza are not as bad looking as posters are making them out to be. I never hear any of the loads of tourists in Fortaleza complaining about the looks of the girls in Fort. I was in Cafe del Mar, in Iracema, my last nite in Fort in 2008, and the quality of the babes was amazing. There were some lookers in the other Iracema clubs too, but nothing like what I saw that nite at Cafe del Mar.
And Cafe del Mar babes that night had lots of variety: light ones, dark ones, blonds, brunettes, short, tall, etc.

Well it's been 4 days since I landed in Rio to start my business. And I've been working the whole time. My plans to hit 4x4 on Monday night were waylaid by staying at our attorney's offices until 11.30pm. Fun times. The good news about endless bureaucracy in Brazil is that it is a barrier to entry :)

Anyway, hoje had a 2 hour afternoon session with Tammy Moricet of Karla's Models.

[url]http://www.karlamodels.net/principal.html[/url]

A friend recommended her (although he later withdrew his reccy after reading some more of her reivews, to be fair) and in those pics on the Karla's site she has a crackin' body, so I'm like why not. After all I've been in Rio for 4 days entirely pussy-free, since landing last Friday. So it's time.

Called up Karla's at 1.20pm and a woman answers who speaks no English. I talk to her in Porto and set up Tammy for 2.30pm. (Later, when Tammy shows me the book from karla's I laugh at the cards that say "English Spoken" -- she smiles and says they lie lol). Receptionist clearly covers the pricing -- R$120 for 2 hours plus R$25 for taxi each way, so total R$170 (about $100 USD these days, or maybe more).

Tammy shows up right on time. She's pleasant but not super passionate. We chat a bit, she showers up, and we get to business. She's a light kisser, and a bit of a tip-swabber (BBBJ), but hey it's been 4 days pussy-free. The good news is she knows how to work her Carioca hips. Did 2 rounds in about 1hr 30mins, and then let her go. Was too tired and the whole experience not passionate enough to make me try for the culo, though she apparently is completa.

All in all a decent experience but I would not repeat with her. FWIW she recommended her colleagues Tabata Sherman and Jamile Cortat, both visible on the Karla's site.

Gents:

I picked up the October 2010 issue of a German magazine called "Trip" which has "Das Grosse Spezial Rio de Janeiro" - a supplement about Rio.

Now my German is limited to "Is this your tank? Hands up?" and "Do you do pool chemicals as well?", so I am not sure I'm gripping all the data but it talks about a place called:
Nossa Sem Hora on Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, 1144. [url]www.nossasemhora.com.br[/url] which is a "nightclub....with amateur-prostitutes". (Never met an amateur one.)

I thought I knew Rio reasonably well but I am blanking on this one. Any ideas - or is it known by another name?

Polvo

Mongers-
Nossa Sem Hora is a regular "boate" that is located on what do you know, Avenida Nossa Senhora de Copacabana. One of my civilian ex girlfriends used to work there as a bartender. It is not a place that caters to Mongers or garotas looking for customers, although like many other bars and nightclubs in Zona Sul (Shenanigans, Melt, Baronetti, Emporio, etc) there are GDP's and semi-GDP's plying their trade from time to time. It is not a place that is popular with tourists so I would recommend sticking to Shenanigan's, Melt, or Emporio if you are looking for GDP action in a non-GDP venue.
Sorte,
Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers-Nossa Sem Hora is a regular "boate" ....Rock Harders[/QUOTE]

Thanks! Again, ISG knowledge scores over "well researched" reporting!

Polvo

[QUOTE=Bravo]I learned this lesson the hard way today. I had alot of running around i hd to do this week, so i wasnt able to swing by the vs store. Like an idiot i listened to some of the guys on this board who talked about being able to buy vs lotion in duty free for american prices. Do not buy VS in duty free!! you will pay Double the american prices. each bottle was 10-13 dollars a piece! no specials like in the states where you can get 5 botles for 25 bucks!!!

again, do not buy your vs in duty free unless you like throwing your money away!![/QUOTE]

A friend of mine asked me to buy her Victoria Secret perfume. I have a lot going on right now and I'm already packed for my upcoming trip. So I shot out to VS store and bought a 2 oz perfume for her and then when I get home I look at my suitcase and holly molly I forgot I'm going carry on and my 1 quart see thru plastic baggy 3-1-1 is fully packed already. Unless I move something out of the plastic bag I will have no room for it and if I just stick it in the suit case I risk losing it and $50 out the window.

My question is how much more expensive is it in the duty free in Rio or the duty free in JFK, anybody know?

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]A friend of mine asked me to buy her Victoria Secret perfume. I have a lot going on right now and I'm already packed for my upcoming trip. So I shot out to VS store and bought a 2 oz perfume for her and then when I get home I look at my suitcase and holly molly I forgot I'm going carry on and my 1 quart see thru plastic baggy 3-1-1 is fully packed already. Unless I move something out of the plastic bag I will have no room for it and if I just stick it in the suit case I risk losing it and $50 out the window.

My question is how much more expensive is it in the duty free in Rio or the duty free in JFK, anybody know?[/QUOTE]Just get another plastic baggie. You can have more than one

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]A friend of mine asked me to buy her Victoria Secret perfume. I have a lot going on right now and I'm already packed for my upcoming trip. So I shot out to VS store and bought a 2 oz perfume for her and then when I get home I look at my suitcase and holly molly I forgot I'm going carry on and my 1 quart see thru plastic baggy 3-1-1 is fully packed already. Unless I move something out of the plastic bag I will have no room for it and if I just stick it in the suit case I risk losing it and $50 out the window.

My question is how much more expensive is it in the duty free in Rio or the duty free in JFK, anybody know?[/QUOTE]

I can't say for sure about the perfume but the lotions and cremes were exactly the same price as in the US.

Just get another plastic bag / you can have more than one.

[QUOTE=Chillibowl]Just get another plastic baggie. You can have more than one[/QUOTE]

Really? This is the first time I'm going carry on with all the new rules about liquids and I read everything on the TSA website and tried to do everything by the book. So you're telling me that if I throw down 2 1 quart plastic bags of liquids/cremes/tooth paste/ cologne, shaving cream,suntan lotion the TSA agents will just wave it through? Happens all the time?

[QUOTE=Chillibowl]Just get another plastic bag / you can have more than one.[/QUOTE]

Strictly speaking, EACH passenger is allowed ONE 1qt. bag full of 3oz. or less stuff. It might depend on the TSA knucklehead you happen to get looking at your stuff as to whether or not he/she will let you pass with more then one bag.
If the perfume is that important, you might reevaluate some of the other goos and stuff in your bag, leave them at home and source them locally in Rio. After all, toothpaste is pretty much toothpaste and the Sundowner brand sunscreen has always worked well for me.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]I can't say for sure about the perfume but the lotions and cremes were exactly the same price as in the US.[/QUOTE]Duty free in Brazil is more expensive. None of those great sale prices going on (3 for $10, 5 for $20, etc.)

VS is like gold down there. My lady uses it to reward her friends that come over and play. She also sells it through a friend's store. I bring down a bunch everytime I go back and forth. Haven't run into any problems yet.

I check two full 70lb bags of essentials everytime I go, plus carry-ons. What is great is I have a friend that has a 4 y/o son and with the opposite seasons I am able to buy clearance clothes for him in the US for the upcoming season in Brazil. I just spent $200 and got tons of shorts, shirts, etc. for him for $3 and $4. That shit is expensive. My friend, his mom, really appreciates it and has cooked many a great meal for me. Over the past year I bought many used games and consoles at Gamestop and become quite a favorite uncle to many kids in my neighborhood in Brazil. I lend their parents the consoles and games. I get free beers, meals, invites over for parties, etc. Organizing a US-style block party when I get back. Nice group of folks in my neighborhood.

[QUOTE=Riofan6]Strictly speaking, EACH passenger is allowed ONE 1qt. bag full of 3oz. or less stuff. It might depend on the TSA knucklehead you happen to get looking at your stuff as to whether or not he/she will let you pass with more then one bag.
If the perfume is that important, you might reevaluate some of the other goos and stuff in your bag, leave them at home and source them locally in Rio. After all, toothpaste is pretty much toothpaste and the Sundowner brand sunscreen has always worked well for me.[/QUOTE]

I already brought the perfume back and found out that terminal 4 in JFK has after security a victoria secret store, so Ill buy it there if I still fell like buying it when I get there.

Things are much more expensive in Brasil and I feel for them that they want things, this is not the only thing I bought, others were just not liguids. Sometimes this request for goods gets out of hand, last year they wanted me to bring in a computer printer cover which was way to big to fit in my suitcase, this never made it. It's always something, The perfume might make and Im sure I'll get a good pounding of flesh out of that.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I already brought the perfume back and found out that terminal 4 in JFK has after security a victoria secret store, so Ill buy it there if I still fell like buying it when I get there.

Things are much more expensive in Brasil and I feel for them that they want things, this is not the only thing I bought, others were just not liguids. Sometimes this request for goods gets out of hand, last year they wanted me to bring in a computer printer cover which was way to big to fit in my suitcase, this never made it. It's always something, The perfume might make and Im sure I'll get a good pounding of flesh out of that.[/QUOTE]

JFK Terminal 4 (Virgin and Emirates)

Terminal 4 is the only terminal at JFK not run by an airline, but a private consortium that includes the US business arm of Amsterdam Schiphol. As passenger survey after survey shows, the Dutch airport’s commercial team know a thing or two about airport retail and it clearly shows in this $1.4bn redeveloped terminal, which opened back in 2001.

The selection of luxury fashion brands stocked at the six Runway shops dotted around the terminal is particularly impressive. The current line up includes Hugo Boss, Lacoste, Timberland, Ferragamo and Zegna.

Recent store openings include US lingerie chain Victoria’s Secret’s first travel concept outlet. It features a range of travel accessories such as passport holders, luggage tags, sunglasses and key rings, as well as the chain’s usual selection of lingerie. Also relatively new is Ultra Diamonds, the only such store in the airport, selling a wide range of diamond jewellery priced from as low as $70 to more than $10,000.

The selection of restaurants and bars at the terminal has also recently been strengthened with the addition of outlets such as Caviar House & Prunier Seafood Bar, and the Tigin Irish Pub & Restaurant. Those with more carnivorous appetites should head for The Palm Bar & Grille, based on New York’s famous Second Avenue steakhouse, which first opened way back in 1926.

Sangue Bom, do NOT listen to anyone's advice on the price of VS lotion in duty free in Rio! I fucked up by listening to some of the members of this board and it ended up costing me alot of extra dollars!!

The price of lotion in the duty free in Rio is NOT the same price you can purchase it for in a VS store. And they sure as fuck do not have the "buy 5 items for 20 bucks promotion!!" If you intend on bringing VS down, buy it in a VS store back home and carry it on the plane with you!!

[url]www.dufry.com[/url]

Go to the pre-order page to get prices.

For example:

VS Amber Romance Hydrating Body Lotion 250ml $11USD

[url]http://www.dutyfreedufry.com.br/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=DutyFree%5FPT&category%5Fname=Sa%FAde%20e%20Beleza_Corpo&Page=1&Store%5FName=Sa%FAde%20e%20Beleza[/url]

Same lotion will cost you $9USD if you buy it from VS direct:
[url]http://www.victoriassecret.com/ss/Satellite?ProductID=1265311673554&c=Page&cid=1283342268472&pagename=vsdWrapper[/url]

LMAO! Why don't you just wire them some money while you're at it.

I started this in another thread I meant to say Rio to Sao Paulo by bus. Prices on flights to sp for the dates I want are kind of high and landing in Rio works anyway cause I could spend a day or 2 in Rio then on to SP. Whats the average cost round trip. I did try the search for it on this site and could not get the info.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]A friend of mine asked me to buy her Victoria Secret perfume. I have a lot going on right now and I'm already packed for my upcoming trip. So I shot out to VS store and bought a 2 oz perfume for her and then when I get home I look at my suitcase and holly molly I forgot I'm going carry on and my 1 quart see thru plastic baggy 3-1-1 is fully packed already. Unless I move something out of the plastic bag I will have no room for it and if I just stick it in the suit case I risk losing it and $50 out the window. [/QUOTE]Depending on the size of the bottle I would have just put it in my pocket. Glass and plastic won't set off a metal detector. I always bring the nail polish that my mom likes back from Rio and when I go through security there I carry 5 bottles in each of my front pants pockets (sweat pants). My ex-girlfriend did the same when she brought the polish up for my mom. No problems.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Depending on the size of the bottle I would have just put it in my pocket. Glass and plastic won't set off a metal detector. I always bring the nail polish that my mom likes back from Rio and when I go through security there I carry 5 bottles in each of my front pants pockets (sweat pants). My ex-girlfriend did the same when she brought the polish up for my mom. No problems.[/QUOTE]

There is a big difference between trying to pass through Rio customs or security and trying the same shit in the US.

I regularly break all kinds of rules when entering or leaving Rio. However, I would not try to pull the same crap on US customs or immigration. The US has 100x better security than Rio and a whole lot less sense of humour if they catch you.

You could play ignorance and just take 2 bags with maybe 150ml of liquids and you will probably get through, if they pick it up it is no big deal. They will just make you dump something. I regularly have more than the 100ml limit, sometimes 200ml, normally it is not a big deal - however I don't conceal it, I just put it all on the tray and if they have a problem they can say something.

If you try and deliberatly conceal crap in your pants and they pick it up you will be in all kinds of crap, possibly face a substantial delay and possible terror charges. Chances of being caught are high as well. Not worth it to try and save a lousy $50.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]There is a big difference between trying to pass through Rio customs or security and trying the same shit in the US.[/QUOTE]There really is. That is why I always refuse a request to bring something from the USA because I never check a bag.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]There is a big difference between trying to pass through Rio customs or security and trying the same shit in the US.[/QUOTE]
As I was coming through security in the US this time I set off the alarm. I thought it was a pack of gum in my pocket so I took it out and tried again. Alarm still sounded. I then realized I had a couple of condoms in my pocket. Took them out and passed through with no problems.

[QUOTE=Auriflama]I started this in another thread I meant to say Rio to Sao Paulo by bus. Prices on flights to sp for the dates I want are kind of high and landing in Rio works anyway cause I could spend a day or 2 in Rio then on to SP. Whats the average cost round trip. I did try the search for it on this site and could not get the info.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Prices range from R$69. 50. R$109 depending on the style of bus; ie airconditioning, lay flat seats, etc.

That is the cost each way.

Here are the companies that do the trips.

[url]http://www.autoviacao1001.com.br/[/url]
[url]http://www.expressobrasileiro.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.itapemirim.com.br/[/url]
[url]http://www.expressodosul.com.br/pt/[/url]

[QUOTE=Java Man]

Same lotion will cost you $9USD if you buy it from VS direct:
[url]http://www.victoriassecret.com/ss/Satellite?ProductID=1265311673554&c=Page&cid=1283342268472&pagename=vsdWrapper[/url][/QUOTE]Go into a VS store and there are always 5 for $20 or 3 for $15 promos going on.

Hello, all,

So today I decided to go to the drug store and buy some viagra. The guy at the counter was first trying to sell me some gingsing stuff, which he says works better than viagra (atleast that's what I think he said as I speak little portuguese). I kindly declinded and so then he went to the back to grab my medication and when he came out he had two boxes of vigamed in his hands. I was dumbfounded at first as I had never heard of the medication but decided to give it a try and bought only one box.

Has anyone on this forum used this medication before? How safe is it is what I really want to know?

Info I've found on google says it a new type of ED drug that works a different pathway than viagra. Some people said it works better than viagra and faster. Supposely it is only sold in brasil. I really want to try it but is a little hesitant.

[QUOTE=Oralover]Prices range from R$69. 50. R$109 depending on the style of bus; ie airconditioning, lay flat seats, etc.

That is the cost each way.

Here are the companies that do the trips.

[url]http://www.autoviacao1001.com.br/[/url]
[url]http://www.expressobrasileiro.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.itapemirim.com.br/[/url]
[url]http://www.expressodosul.com.br/pt/[/url][/QUOTE]When I went to SP last year, I used autoviacao1001. It was during a weekday so there were very few people on the bus. Their seats are large and comfy and they give you a pack of snack. They also had some very cheesy us movie playing during the trip. I would recommend them.

[QUOTE=Lex Lector]Yeah I was there. Probably 30-50 GDPs, but 50-60% were old and tired. 20 % were doable, and 3-4 real cuties. Personally I am not here for "doable" but go for the cuties, so while I did found company nor was there a great selection if out for the jaw-droppers.[/QUOTE]

Three days ago, I was at DV. The doable selection was very limited, although the f/m ratio was good. Man, the action has deteriorated in Zona Sul.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon]When I went to SP last year, I used autoviacao1001. It was during a weekday so there were very few people on the bus. Their seats are large and comfy and they give you a pack of snack. They also had some very cheesy us movie playing during the trip. I would recommend them.[/QUOTE]

Well, sad to infrom that the cheaper tickets do not include even water anymore. Only the tickets closer to 100R$ include snack (chocolate bar and water). Before all buses had snacks.

Also GOL has some flights very cheap. Latest was fly to SP with normal price and return for 10R$. If you know what to do you'll easily fly from Rio to SP and back for 100 - 150R$.

Anyway I prefer airplane over bus anytime.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Sangue Bom, do NOT listen to anyone's advice on the price of VS lotion in duty free in Rio! I fucked up by listening to some of the members of this board and it ended up costing me alot of extra dollars!!

The price of lotion in the duty free in Rio is NOT the same price you can purchase it for in a VS store. And they sure as fuck do not have the "buy 5 items for 20 bucks promotion!!" If you intend on bringing VS down, buy it in a VS store back home and carry it on the plane with you!![/QUOTE]
It used to be we had a few guys here who liked to embellish and exaggerate but lately this forum is filled with misinformation from guys dying to be recognized as a "Rio Expert." It has gotten to the point where guys who really do have something to offer, don’t post.

I have never been to Rio, but I'm going in a couple of weeks, and I'm well excited. Reading up on the scene I keep coming across a disco named HELP. I read that it's one of the easier places to pick up pros and semipros. But now I've read somewhere also that it has closed. Is that correct? and if, where have all these girls gone?

Thanks in advance!

Planning a visit to Rio in mid of November for one week and searching a bit through the net. I came across

[url]http://www.ayanneriomodels.com/index2.htm#[/url]
[url]www.hotside.com.br[/url]
[url]www.riosexsite.net[/url]

I wonder if the pics are real, especially at ayanneriomodels

Prices looks like flying hi.

Pattaya would e better decision but bought the ticket. Can't give up anymore. Hope I don't feel sorry for my decision.

See you there.

Hey Mks123,

I am in Rio this weekend as well. Similar background to you. I know Rio a bit from previous visits; no Portuguese but I have a little Spanish, and that gets me far enough. I am up for connecting if you get this message - I tried to send you a Private Message, but it did not go through. Drop me a line.

[QUOTE=Mks123]Will be in Rio. First time. Don't speak Portuguese. Late 30s but in good shape and look young. Have lots of recommendations for places to visit from previous travelers but looking for a wingman, ideally one with some Portuguese:) Trying to arrange accomodation with Americoa but I might stay in a hotel as well.

Anyone else gonna be there and in a similar situation?

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Samy69]
I wonder if the pics are real, especially at ayanneriomodels

Prices looks like flying hi.

Pattaya would be better decision but bought the ticket. Can't give up anymore. Hope I don't feel sorry for my decision.
[/QUOTE]

Maybe not, but don't less that stress you out. You can find equally good looking girls at BA85 or VM for only about a Real/minute if you climb/walk enough. I found 2 such girls at BA85 and 1 in VM on my trip a couple months ago. Club Flórida is also a good bet because you can find some freaky girls there for cheap. The thread contains a wealth of info on these places, check it out before going. -pp

[QUOTE=Samy69]

[url]http://www.ayanneriomodels.com/index2.htm#[/url][/QUOTE]

I did a quick search of this agency and came to the conclusion that it is probably not an agency you want to call. Photos most likely fake. Certainly not a popular agency, on guianet only had 3 reviews in 3 years, 2 bad and one good.

You really need to know what you are doing before you call an agency in Rio. Most are fake bait and switch jobs aimed at scalping tourists.

Karlas is a good cheap agency, been around for years, mostly positive reviews and cheap! [url]http://www.karlamodels.net/[/url] Reviews on the brazilian boards are 75% positive, 100's of reviews.

VIP is very hit and miss, but if you want to roll the dice maybe an option.
[url]http://www.barravipsrio.com/home.php[/url] Reviews on the brazialian boards are 50% positive and 50% negative. There are but a few agencies in Rio that have greater than 50% positive reviews.

Rio is a inhouse kind of place. Hit the pavement and I will guarantee you will find something way better and cheaper.

got caught on nossa senhora (1 bloke down from sequeira campos) waiting for a bus with only r$50 notes on me. was next door to miami peep, hadn't been in there for ages. go in with my r$50 and ask for 10 fichas (tokens). the fucker gives me r$30 in change despite very clearly marked prices of r$1 per ficha. tell him he's an asshole and he gives me the rest of my change.

go upstairs and look for the pictures of whos on. they have maybe 8 photos, 7 less than attractive girls and 1 cutey. of course when i enquire if she is there she is not. anyway, go to one of the booths and there is an ugly chic dancing around. most booths are full, through the plastic you can see other guys from the shoulder up. you can see them way to clearly, obviuosly jerking off judging by their shoulders moving up and down. i go and look at the private booth (one on one), there is a big plastic window that seperates you from the girl, she used to do a show for you and you could slip you hand in there to touch. i think with the new booths you can no longer touch her.

so i leave having spent r$1, resold my left overs to the asshold at the entrance jump on my bus and am on my way.

I have been away for a while and checked in here to see what's up before booking my trip.
Frankly, this is depressing! Too much BS from people who know very little about Rio.
Hey guys, (i.e. Christopher, Sperto, ET, Bubba), I know you have some better info to share with tourists like me.
Thanks.
B.
PS. I am running low on pictures!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I did a quick search of this agency and came to the conclusion that it is probably not an agency you want to call. Photos most likely fake. Certainly not a popular agency, on guianet only had 3 reviews in 3 years, 2 bad and one good.

You really need to know what you are doing before you call an agency in Rio. Most are fake bait and switch jobs aimed at scalping tourists.

Karlas is a good cheap agency, been around for years, mostly positive reviews and cheap! [url]http://www.karlamodels.net/[/url] Reviews on the brazilian boards are 75% positive, 100's of reviews.

VIP is very hit and miss, but if you want to roll the dice maybe an option.
[url]http://www.barravipsrio.com/home.php[/url] Reviews on the brazialian boards are 50% positive and 50% negative. There are but a few agencies in Rio that have greater than 50% positive reviews.

Rio is a inhouse kind of place. Hit the pavement and I will guarantee you will find something way better and cheaper.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much BubbaBoy for helpful info on sites.

The problem is that I prefer blondes or whites mostly. When I call Karlas or Barra, I can never be sure if they will send me a blond/white. I would prefer to see real pics :( So need a site wit REAL ONES :)

Huh, first time (trip) looks difficult for from a distance.

[QUOTE=Samytr]Thank you very much BubbaBoy for helpful info on sites.

The problem is that I prefer blondes or whites mostly. When I call Karlas or Barra, I can never be sure if they will send me a blond/white. I would prefer to see real pics :( So need a site wit REAL ONES :)

Huh, first time (trip) looks difficult for from a distance.[/QUOTE]


Sometimes I just dont understand some monger's logic. You prefer blond, white girls? You realise you are headed to the country with the largest population of black people in the world, right? (with exception of Nigeria, I think). Thats like me going to China and saying I prefer women with 45 inch asses! If you love white girls so much, why not go to France or Sweden? I am not flaming you, its an honest question.

i agree: if you look for white blondes, brazil is not where you need to go. france, btw, is not the right destination, either. the p4p scene there really truly sucks (and i don't mean bjs :(). germany is where you want to go for blond white women. more specific, head for an fkk in germany. (german fkks have their own section on this board, and for good reasons!). most girls working at a german fkk, btw, originate from eastern europe.

ok, if to have to go to rio and still want to experience a blonde, here is a suggestion: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] at l'uomo. excellent choice! as white and as blond as they come. (best brazilian in a german fkk award, on the other hand, goes to leonie at schieferhof.)

euro (who misses the incredible selection of mulattas in rio, just as he prepares to head for germany :))

[QUOTE=Bravo]Sangue Bom, do NOT listen to anyone's advice on the price of VS lotion in duty free in Rio! I fucked up by listening to some of the members of this board and it ended up costing me alot of extra dollars!!

The price of lotion in the duty free in Rio is NOT the same price you can purchase it for in a VS store. And they sure as fuck do not have the "buy 5 items for 20 bucks promotion!!" If you intend on bringing VS down, buy it in a VS store back home and carry it on the plane with you!![/QUOTE]

VS lotion is way more in DF Rio, like 40r a bottle.. I always buy the 6 for $30 and 1 free here in the US and throw them in my checked bag before leaving for Rio. That, and Nikes on special for $40, lancombe make up kit for about $40.. I give them away as a tip if the session was great or if I want them to come back for an all night. Many times I don't pay any cash at all, just some stuff they want. Once I had 2 girls who live in the apartment below me fighting over the stuff and both of them sneaking up to my apt to fuck me for some of the shit I brought with me and making me promise to hold some of the stuff for her until tomorrow and don't give it to the other girl. It was great.

The Rio Bureau of Tourism has published some really nice compact guides to the city. Both the Rio Legal and Rio Pocket Guides can be obtained at the tourism kiosk on Copacabana Beach or at the tourism offices.

[url]http://www.rioguiaoficial.com.br/en/informacoes/[/url]

The main site is:
[url]http://www.rioguiaoficial.com.br/en/[/url]

where you also can download a PDF of the latest complete Rio Guide.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Sometimes I just dont understand some monger's logic. You prefer blond, white girls? You realise you are headed to the country with the largest population of black people in the world, right? (with exception of Nigeria, I think). Thats like me going to China and saying I prefer women with 45 inch asses! If you love white girls so much, why not go to France or Sweden? I am not flaming you, its an honest question.[/QUOTE]Would like to correct my words:

" I don't prefer blacks" Brunettes are ok.

But I prefer blondes.

Been to lots of countries and want to visit Brazil and give a try.

Just want to indicate my preferences, that's it.

Thanks for your understanding.

[quote=euro100]i agree: if you look for white blondes, brazil is not where you need to go. france, btw, is not the right destination, either. the p4p scene there really truly sucks (and i don't mean bjs). germany is where you want to go for blond white women. more specific, head for an fkk in germany. (german fkks have their own section on this board, and for good reasons!). most girls working at a german fkk, btw, originate from eastern europe.

ok, if to have to go to rio and still want to experience a blonde, here is a suggestion: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] at l'uomo. excellent choice! as white and as blond as they come. (best brazilian in a german fkk award, on the other hand, goes to leonie at schieferhof.)

euro (who misses the incredible selection of mulattas in rio, just as he prepares to head for germany)[/quote]sweden is not a right place for mongering. ukraine, russia, china better.

i personally met to leonie just 10 days ago.

a romanian girl asked extra 100 euros (like your nick) for something extra, though she was 177 cm tall and extremely beautiful in oase in ger; i responded i am going to fly to a place which all these extras are included-may be i am not right about if they are included.

just want to know where can i find more whites/let's say brunettes than blacks.

i understand l'uomo is an option. when i serach escort sites, i see lots of blondes/whites or i see wrong.

sure will give a try to dark too. in this case i will look for a nice and slender one.

thanks again

For what you are looking for, it is only BR450 to session there and there are plenty white blondes and brunnetes there. The management of the place is real friendly if you are willing to do as they ask and the girls real stunners. I personally won't get caught dead there, but hey, this IS what you are looking for :D
[QUOTE=Samytr]Sweden is not a right place for mongering. Ukraine, Russia, China better.

I personally met to Leonie just 10 days ago.

A Romanian girl asked extra 100 Euros (like your nick) for something extra, though she was 177 cm tall and extremely beautiful in Oase in Ger; I responded I am going to fly to a place which all these extras are included-may be I am not right about if they are included.

Just want to know where can I find more whites/let's say brunettes than blacks.

I understand L'uomo is an option. When I serach escort sites, I see lots of blondes/whites Or I see wrong.

Sure will give a try to dark too. In this case I will look for a nice and slender one.

Thanks again[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1] The management of the place is real friendly if you are willing to do as they ask and the girls real stunners. I personally won't get caught dead there, but hey, this IS what you are looking for :D[/QUOTE]

I would be really friendly as well if I was getting paid upfront, including the full cost of banging a girl ,before you have even chosen a girl?. This is the only place in the world that I know of that gets away with this shit.

The quality of girls has also gone way way down hill of late. I have been there 2x in the last 2 months and the quality is just terrible. I can see someone putting up with being treated like scum by the management for extra hot girls, but when their quality is way down you get to see it for what it is.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]For what you are looking for, it is only BR450 to session there and there are plenty white blondes and brunnetes there. The management of the place is real friendly if you are willing to do as they ask and the girls real stunners. I personally won't get caught dead there, but hey, this IS what you are looking for :D[/QUOTE]"It is ONLY BR450 to session there..."

I will never say again Ukraine and Russia is expensive.

BR 450 one session ! Dark skinned Brazilian Leoni in Germany receives 50 € per session (entry fee is 70).

Ok I want to see Iguazu Falls, that's why I will fly 11 hours.

[quote=euro100]...

ok, if to have to go to rio and still want to experience a blonde, here is a suggestion: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] at l'uomo. excellent choice! as white and as blond as they come. ...[/quote]

actually, she is bleached blond. i talked with her about it one time. her skin is light, but she stays totally out of the sun. i forget now but she told me where her parents we from and it was not the euro ancestry i was expecting. one thing for sure, she looks very white next to everyone else there.

but, yes, centauraus has some real ones. (c'mon, bubba boy, they are not terrible. i was there about 3 weeks ago and there were some stunners for sure. but the 450 and management practices [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off if i think about it.) there are a few gauchas on one of the escort sites, or at least claim to be. i had one from karla models and she was for real. actually, anne from rb 185 is for real too, i think. rio is full of bleach blonds, but not many of the real variety. that is fine with me...

the best place in the world to find real blonds is amsterdam, imho. you get the dutch girls plus polish and others from eastern europe and fsu. still gotta check the pubes to know for sure. that's not all bad either.

personally, i can't think of a shade of skin color i don't like when it covers a beautiful babe.

[QUOTE=Samytr]Thank you very much BubbaBoy for helpful info on sites.

The problem is that I prefer blondes or whites mostly. When I call Karlas or Barra, I can never be sure if they will send me a blond/white. I would prefer to see real pics :( So need a site wit REAL ONES :)

Huh, first time (trip) looks difficult for from a distance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bravo]

Sometimes I just dont understand some monger's logic. You prefer blond, white girls? You realise you are headed to the country with the largest population of black people in the world, right? (with exception of Nigeria, I think). Thats like me going to China and saying I prefer women with 45 inch asses! If you love white girls so much, why not go to France or Sweden? I am not flaming you, its an honest question.[/QUOTE]

Have you considered a trip to the south of Brazil? The percentage of Caucasians is higher there but the P4P scene is admittedly not as good as Rio's.

For example, I was recently in Sao Paulo and as I recall the vast majority of working women who I saw or who were presented to me were white. Their hair was often dyed blonde, though.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce]Fellas, best place fOr mulattas?

Termas Etc..

21
31
65
73
81
116
191
502
4x4
Aeroporto
Âncora do Recreio
Aquárius
Beach Girls
Black House
Cancun
Caribean Queen
Centaurus
Coquettish
Correia Dutra
Excentric
Jacarepaguá
L´Uomo
La Palace
Monte Carlo
no Centro de Niterói
Rio Antigo
Sol de Ipanema
Solarium
Black and White
Boate Flórida
Buena Vista Club
Café 400
Centro de Lazer MV30
Club 117
Club 29
Copacabana Termas Spa
Paris Café
Phoenix
Só Filé e Cia
Whisqueria Orion Café

VM hands Down! Better quality Cheaper price![/QUOTE]Can anyone make a favour and indicate which are open on Saturday and which are open on whole weekend (incl. Sunday).

It will be a helpful info.

[QUOTE=Gfe Finder]Have you considered a trip to the south of Brazil? The percentage of Caucasians is higher there but the P4P scene is admittedly not as good as Rio's.
[/QUOTE]
Or even south of Brasil itself. I was going to suggest Buenos Aires - very civilised, nice punting, and lots of ivory whites.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1]VS lotion is way more in DF Rio, like 40r a bottle.. I always buy the 6 for $30 and 1 free here in the US and throw them in my checked bag before leaving for Rio. That, and Nikes on special for $40, lancombe make up kit for about $40.. I give them away as a tip if the session was great or if I want them to come back for an all night. Many times I don't pay any cash at all, just some stuff they want. Once I had 2 girls who live in the apartment below me fighting over the stuff and both of them sneaking up to my apt to fuck me for some of the shit I brought with me and making me promise to hold some of the stuff for her until tomorrow and don't give it to the other girl. It was great.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Don't know what that guy was getting all worked up about. No misinformation at all. He did PM me once insisting that I don't share any info about VS so not everyone here would think about doing the same thing. Strange, I thought we are here to help each other with info.

But, yeah, the ladies love that stuff and it has a real high value to them. Great, innovative way to stretch the mongering budget. One time in Rio I had a favorite come and spend 4 nights in a week with me for VS lotions and perfumes - and a bottle of Caroline Herrera perfume. She kept some and sold some. And she made me breakfast in bed several times. Pure gold with the right ladies.

[QUOTE=Samytr]"It is ONLY BR450 to session there..."

I will never say again Ukraine and Russia is expensive.

BR 450 one session ! Dark skinned Brazilian Leoni in Germany receives 50 € per session (entry fee is 70).

Ok I want to see Iguazu Falls, that's why I will fly 11 hours.[/QUOTE]Dude,

Be open to new experiences and leave the bigoted leanings of your country behind. There is a rainbow of delights in Brazil. I was not a big ass kind of guy until a few outrageous performances with some apple bottom delights. Now I can go ride any shaped ass put in front of me. I used to prefer blondes but now live with a lovely mulatta beauty who rocks my world sexually, intellectually and spiritually day in and day out. Tell Leoni to come back home to where she is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Monger X]Yep same thing happened to me a couple years ago when flying from GRU to Porto Alegre. I just got off an international flight with the carry on I always travel with and the counter-person made me check it as it was over the 11.5 pound limit.[/QUOTE]

Well, flew down on Tam, have to say for all the airlines I have taken to Brasil recently, they do a good job.

For example last March I flew US air Business class but I just flew Tam coach. The food was better on Tam, the service was better on Tam and the flight attendents on US Air were like old cleaning ladies with no personality. The flight attendents on TAM were all beautful and young, nice touch. Of couse the seating on US Air was better but nothing is perfect, I'll do them again. And they didn't make any noise about my luggage.

I broke the ice with Luana from Star Cris, 180 reais 2 hours, She was a woman, tall big bunda and a full morena, had sex with her like a hot girl I was out on a date with for the first time who liked me, it was great. She does this part time only on weekends as she is married and lives 2 hours outside of zona sul.

Tonight I'm going to 2a2 the swing club in Copacabana, gotta keep the energy level up considering it's the first day and already shot 2 bullets but it's Saturday night in Rio and I don't get too many of those.

Later.

[QUOTE=Hughdad] He did PM me once insisting that I don't share any info about VS so not everyone here would think about doing the same thing. Strange, I thought we are here to help each other with info.
[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with you. I think not wanting to share info is strange; however, I think it is really strange not wanting to share info about the popularity of VS that everyone already knows (at least anyone who has been there or has read this forum).

[QUOTE=Samytr]Can anyone make a favour and indicate which are open on Saturday and which are open on whole weekend (incl. Sunday).

It will be a helpful info.[/QUOTE]How about doing a little heavy lifting yourself pal and read through the archives of past postings here?! All the info you seek is contained here. If you need someone to come and do the fucking for you too - I am sure we can make a suitable arrangement.

[QUOTE=Samytr]Huh, first time (trip) looks difficult for from a distance.[/QUOTE]
ith your close-minded attitude I can almost virtually guarantee you having a difficult and unenjoyable time. Ever hear the terms: "when in Rome", "go with the flow", "love the one you're with", "a port in every storm", "the dark the berry"?

Vila Mimosa, 1989, when it was located in the Mangue.
It looks quite nice.
Some of the women are propably still working at the current VM. :)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cUHeXSuVkU[/url]

Can anybody tell any good stories from the Mangue? Pelicano?

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]For what you are looking for, it is only BR450 to session there and there are plenty white blondes and brunnetes there. The management of the place is real friendly if you are willing to do as they ask and the girls real stunners. I personally won't get caught dead there, but hey, this IS what you are looking for :D[/QUOTE]

FYI to newbies, Voyager is being sarcastic about the friendly centaurus management. As a matter of fact, they are the rudest bunch of brazilians I met in my life, especially the skinny young girl at the entrance . It is like dealing with frenchies. That's the reason I stopped visiting for the last 2 years.

The lady who used to supervise the garotas in the boate has defected to 4x4.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]ith your close-minded attitude I can almost virtually guarantee you having a difficult and unenjoyable time. Ever hear the terms: "when in Rome", "go with the flow", "love the one you're with", "a port in every storm", "the dark the berry"?[/QUOTE]You don't want to loose time with unexperienced newcomers!

I know a simple solution: "don't answer"

Anyhow, thanks a lot, who answered.

[QUOTE=Samy69]You don't want to loose time with unexperienced newcomers!

I know a simple solution: "don't answer"

Anyhow, thanks a lot, who answered.[/QUOTE]

The point being, most of your questions could have been answered by reading up on this forum. You need to show some effort before people are going to help you with the rest. Start off in the reports of distinction section, it is worth reading all

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]The point being, most of your questions could have been answered by reading up on this forum. You need to show some effort before people are going to help you with the rest. Start off in the reports of distinction section, it is worth reading all[/QUOTE]I read most of Rio section and can say I understand 4x4 is not open on weekends.
I couldn't find the rest.

Now know the answer: reports of distinction should be read.

[QUOTE=Samy69]I read most of Rio section and can say I understand 4x4 is not open on weekends.

I couldn't find the rest.

Now know the answer: reports of distinction should be read.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is why they are called "Reports of Distinction".

I keep hearing about this disco called HELP can anybody give me the scoop on that place?

[QUOTE=Wonderguy]I keep hearing about this disco called HELP can anybody give me the scoop on that place?[/QUOTE]Great place. They moved to the new location on the west side over in Barra de Tijuca in January. I haven't been since. It's now too far for most mongers.

[QUOTE=Samytr]Thank you very much BubbaBoy for helpful info on sites.

The problem is that I prefer blondes or whites mostly. When I call Karlas or Barra, I can never be sure if they will send me a blond/white. I would prefer to see real pics :( So need a site wit REAL ONES :)

Huh, first time (trip) looks difficult for from a distance.[/QUOTE]

You want REAL blondes? in Rio? and for decent prices? you will have a real hard time.

Maybe you learn to like REAL mulatas, REAl curly dark hair brown skin. Slim girls without huge asses (but a little bigger bubble butts) you can find, even with white skin but more the dark haired type, or bleach blonde.

I tried to send you a message, but you are not a (paying) member and thus cannot receive PM. Consider paying while you plan your trip, so you can have people contact you. Contact me before you go to Rio. Consider staying at my apartment, I can try to help you finding what you want for lower prices.

What is your problem with karlamodels? That the girls are not real blondes?

When you go to Iguaçu, make sure you go in the rainy season where you have lots of water, not when it is almost dry.

Curitiba is on the way to Iguaçu, has lots of whit white girls and real blondes for decent prices. But a little hard to find your way without portuguese.

Check [url]http://www.acompanhantescuritiba.org/[/url]
[url]http://www.classisex.com.br/amodelos.html[/url]
[url]http://www.modelovip.com.br/[/url]

[url]http://www.starnight.com.br/bruna.html[/url]


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[QUOTE=Bravo]Sangue Bom, do NOT listen to anyone's advice on the price of VS lotion in duty free in Rio! I fucked up by listening to some of the members of this board and it ended up costing me alot of extra dollars!!

The price of lotion in the duty free in Rio is NOT the same price you can purchase it for in a VS store. And they sure as fuck do not have the "buy 5 items for 20 bucks promotion!!" If you intend on bringing VS down, buy it in a VS store back home and carry it on the plane with you!![/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.dutyfreedufry.com.br/[/url]

check duty free prices here.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Great place. They moved to the new location on the west side over in Barra de Tijuca in January.[/QUOTE]
Not really a replacement for Help I guess.

RioBob, you're in Rio now. Check it out.

The disco HELP has been torn down. It is no more.

Badtwin

[QUOTE=Wonderguy]I keep hearing about this disco called HELP can anybody give me the scoop on that place?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto]Not really a replacement for Help I guess.

RioBob, you're in Rio now. Check it out.[/QUOTE]

I met 2 guys the other day who have been there already. They told me it's owned by the owners of 4x4 and they did a nice job in setting the place up. They also told me that there really wasn't much going on there, it was dead, and maybe 10 girls and 15 guys, they didn't stay long.

I did go to Luomo with these guys on Sunday, it was my first time there, and it’s a fun place. I over did it though, drank too much, was dancing with the girls in the front of the room. Took an hour room with a shower, nice room with a Manera, 20 years old, don't remember her name, as soon as we go into the room she told me to daty her, fun session, fun place, now I've been there.

Like I said before, last night was Tuesday, not much else to do now that Help is closed, went to Balcony bar just to hang out but ended up with this cute sweet girl from Manaus. She told me she likes to watch others have sex and she likes beautiful girls, don't we all. I told her she would be perfect then going to a swing club. She said she had never been, she seems a little inexperienced, hasn't been in Rio long but has lived in Manuas and Fortaleza, so she’s not too jaded yet and quoted me a price of 200 reais, can't beat that.

So tonight I have 3 girls lined up to go to 2A2 swing club and to think I thought I was going to have a problem here getting just one to go with me for a decent price or at all.

I was at 2A2 last Saturday night, place was packed, lots of good looking young couples that seemed married and just came to looks at others screw and just touch a little but not actual screw around with others. I did end up screwing 2 other girls and my girl also who was nuts. I'll go tonight and I think my choice is going to be either the girl I posted pictures of who with heels will be over 6 foot tall, so that will be a novelty, many guys would probably like to fuck her and she is nuts, she told me she wants to masturbate while I am with 2 other girls. Or I take the less experienced more normal girl from last night.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]You want REAL blondes? in Rio? and for decent prices? you will have a real hard time.

Maybe you learn to like REAL mulatas, REAl curly dark hair brown skin. Slim girls without huge asses (but a little bigger bubble butts) you can find, even with white skin but more the dark haired type, or bleach blonde.

I tried to send you a message, but you are not a (paying) member and thus cannot receive PM. Consider paying while you plan your trip, so you can have people contact you. Contact me before you go to Rio. Consider staying at my apartment, I can try to help you finding what you want for lower prices.

What is your problem with karlamodels? That the girls are not real blondes?

When you go to Iguaçu, make sure you go in the rainy season where you have lots of water, not when it is almost dry.

Curitiba is on the way to Iguaçu, has lots of whit white girls and real blondes for decent prices. But a little hard to find your way without portuguese.

Check [url]http://www.acompanhantescuritiba.org/[/url]
[url]http://www.classisex.com.br/amodelos.html[/url]
[url]http://www.modelovip.com.br/[/url]

[url]http://www.starnight.com.br/bruna.html[/url]


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60 min R$ 60,00[/QUOTE]Hi Mr. Specialist,

I just said I prefer. I know it is very difficult to find real blondes there and also useless. Better to try whites and brunettes. Even I can try dark skinned ones. I never say never.

About the apartment, I prefer a free apartment which is belongs to me for a perod; not a room inside a flat.

I read how is your room/flat, may be I need more to know. We can discuss about it.

I already sent e-mails for renting an apt and going to decide one in a short time. So need to know more about your offer and specs about the room, also how can you help me there!

Tomorrow going to buy a membership and you can send message to me.

By the way I am not sure if the girls in those sites are real! There are decent ones there though a few, sure you know better than me, service is more important.

Karla Models are ok for me, some good ones there too. Still I am not sure if all pics are REAL!

I bought my ticket. I will land to Guarulhuos on Nov 12 22:30 and thinking about taking a recliner bus for Rio. So will be in Rio on Nov. 13. Planning to leave on Nov 18 for Foz de Iguaçu. Will fly from SP on Nov. 21.

Anyone have a comprehensive list of centro places, termas and massage places. I know I bubbas report he list several centro termas but I am sure there are others. Also had a hard time finding the massage places. In the old posts people list a couple places here and there but not very complete.

Thanks for the help.

In Rio now and will be in Rio for at least a month prob 2.

Hit luomo yesterday. Since that was the first terma I had been to I felt like it had to be my first again. I do think the whole steam room, showers are nicer than most. Last yr I know each place had their fair share of big girls but were always some nice small tight girls as well. Yesterday only saw one girl that was kinda like that.

Maybe it was just an off day. Guess will need some more data pts. Here for a while so not in any rush. Was hoping could save some money and hit the centro places. Took the metro to save money, felt fine no problems. My rule is just to walk fast avoid eye contact.

Thanks for any info that come fwd. Will post any relevant info I get. Oh if you get to luomo before 4 they waive the entrance. I got the #1 key, I thought that was funny. I opened the place up. For some reason my credit card didt work there so had to go downstairs and get cash at the atm with the bouncer guy escorting was kinda annoying, not sure why it didn't work. Hey at least I was able to get the cash.

The women at the entrance said the dollar has really hurt them lot less gringos now. Hard for me to judge since its been a yr since been yr. I did notice a group of like 10 japanese dudes roll in. Yen at 15 yr high vs dollar. They seem to ignore the no smoking rules which was upsetting.

Add more later. Any feedback on the centro terms/ massage places appreciated.

Obrigado

[QUOTE=Bartonsky]

For some reason my credit card didt work there so had to go downstairs and get cash at the atm with the bouncer guy escorting was kinda annoying, not sure why it didn't work. Hey at least I was able to get the cash.

[/QUOTE]

Your card probably didn't work because Brasil is currently the number one country for credit card fraud. Or so my bank told me, they block the damn thing every time I go there.
Unless its in a chip and pin machine a lot of UK banks will block it even if you tell them in advance that you are going there. I was advised to not use the machines located in supermarkets etc. Kind of screws you up if you want to use the one in Faramacia do leme at 3am.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]Your card probably didn't work because Brasil is currently the number one country for credit card fraud. Or so my bank told me, they block the damn thing every time I go there.[/QUOTE]Actually, most of brazilian banks do not accept foreign credit cards. Nada a ver com fraude. It's just a question of foreign money exchange, some are allowed to do it, others don't (Unibanco, Banco Real and so on).

You'll never be deceived with a HSBC, Citibank, Banco do Brasil (not all of them) ATM. Sometimes in major cities you'll find Bradesco too.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]Does she want to go to 2a2 for free or is it included in the price of the original session? Are you really going to take her there and trade down for a cheaper model?
How is the swinging scene now does it still run in the club in Barra as well?[/QUOTE]

No not for free, same price as a session, which is a good deal because the swing club is a 4 hour ordeal a session is 2 hours.. True I'm sure I wouldn't get better than her in the club but I just find it fun being in the club rather than staying alone in my apt with her, it's a night out, it's a big party. She would be my bait and switch. She likes to swing also and I'm as old as her father and she knows that but she said she wouldn't go with just anybody but knows she can have fun with me and that's what it's all about.

But I'm going tonight and I'm sticking to my plan A because I originally promised another girl I would call her and take her tonight and I didn't want to break my promise. The other girl is nice also but not quite like this one, I met her on the top of the Marriott hotel last March and she is very dependable. Dependable is a good thing too because if they don't show up your sort of out of luck because it's hard to get someone at the last minute, so your night is ruined.

Henri club in Barra is still going on but I don't like it as much as 2A2 in Copa, different atmosphere and different people, last time I was there my girl wanted to leave, she didn't like it either.

My best visits lately have been at Termas 65 and Termas 502, which are both within about 1-2 blocks of 4x4 in Centro. 65 has standard T pricing, whereas 502 is a bit rougher and cheaper. You can google map them I imagine. At 502 you don't wear robes.

There are a few other interesting places I've seen in slightly rougher areas, but I don't know your security preferences.

I've seen very few fellow gringos lately in any place, which is actually really refreshing. But yes the Real's appreciation vs. the US Peso makes me quite price conscious.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Bartonsky]Anyone have a comprehensive list of centro places, termas and massage places. I know I bubbas report he list several centro termas but I am sure there are others. Also had a hard time finding the massage places. In the old posts people list a couple places here and there but not very complete.

Thanks for the help.

In Rio now and will be in Rio for at least a month prob 2.

Hit luomo yesterday. Since that was the first terma I had been to I felt like it had to be my first again. I do think the whole steam room, showers are nicer than most. Last yr I know each place had their fair share of big girls but were always some nice small tight girls as well. Yesterday only saw one girl that was kinda like that.

Maybe it was just an off day. Guess will need some more data pts. Here for a while so not in any rush. Was hoping could save some money and hit the centro places. Took the metro to save money, felt fine no problems. My rule is just to walk fast avoid eye contact.

Thanks for any info that come fwd. Will post any relevant info I get. Oh if you get to luomo before 4 they waive the entrance. I got the #1 key, I thought that was funny. I opened the place up. For some reason my credit card didt work there so had to go downstairs and get cash at the atm with the bouncer guy escorting was kinda annoying, not sure why it didn't work. Hey at least I was able to get the cash.

The women at the entrance said the dollar has really hurt them lot less gringos now. Hard for me to judge since its been a yr since been yr. I did notice a group of like 10 japanese dudes roll in. Yen at 15 yr high vs dollar. They seem to ignore the no smoking rules which was upsetting.

Add more later. Any feedback on the centro terms/ massage places appreciated.

Obrigado[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bartonsky] For some reason my credit card didt work there so had to go downstairs and get cash at the atm with the bouncer guy escorting was kinda annoying, not sure why it didn't work. Hey at least I was able to get the cash.

Obrigado[/QUOTE]

Same thing happened to me, luckily I had the cash on me, but next day the card worked again.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]No not for free, same price as a session, which is a good deal because the swing club is a 4 hour ordeal a session is 2 hours..[/QUOTE]

How much was the session?

I live in Brazil and use my foreign credit cards. I need to phone the credit card companies 4 or 5 times a year to get them unblocked. Had my card cloned twice in Brazil. The thieves didn't have my pin, so it was bogus charges from gas stations and retail outlets that let them sign the slip. Being as the pin wasn't used in any of these transactions, both VISA and AMEX re-credited my account on both occasions. Only had one occasion at L'umo where the goon came with me to my apartment to get the cash. Not a good feeling. Now I always carry sufficient cash when visiting the putarias. No such thing as honor amongst Gentlemen in the pimp/john relationship.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Same thing happened to me, luckily I had the cash on me, but next day the card worked again.[/QUOTE]

Hey, Specialist,

I have paid subscription now. Guess will be ok in a few hours time.

Need to decide for accomodation, hurry up please.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]You want REAL blondes? in Rio? and for decent prices? you will have a real hard time.

Maybe you learn to like REAL mulatas, REAl curly dark hair brown skin. Slim girls without huge asses (but a little bigger bubble butts) you can find, even with white skin but more the dark haired type, or bleach blonde.

I tried to send you a message, but you are not a (paying) member and thus cannot receive PM. Consider paying while you plan your trip, so you can have people contact you. Contact me before you go to Rio. Consider staying at my apartment, I can try to help you finding what you want for lower prices.

What is your problem with karlamodels? That the girls are not real blondes?

When you go to Iguaçu, make sure you go in the rainy season where you have lots of water, not when it is almost dry.

Curitiba is on the way to Iguaçu, has lots of whit white girls and real blondes for decent prices. But a little hard to find your way without portuguese.

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[QUOTE=The Watcher]How much was the session?[/QUOTE]

When I called her she told me 1 hr for 250 reais and 2 for 400. I asked her if she could do 300 for 2 hrs? She told me yes and was at my apt in 45 min. She lives on the same street as me.

I went to 2a2 last night not with her but with my original girl, lots of guys wanted her last night. One young guy who was like a bodybuilder had a young beautiful girl. First we were in a room with 2 couples and us and the third girl was beautiful too but then later we were alone, this time I traded up. It was a good night; I arrived at midnight and left at 4 am.

Tonight I might go to Centro and visit the happy hour at Arcos do treles, anybody have anything to say about that?

I'm looking out the window now and not a cloud in the sky so it will be a beach day. Yesterday at the pool a beautiful woman I caught checking me out, she was alone, Obviously not a GDP, I start talking to her, she was easy to talk to, friendly, A Doctor on business in Rio and I can tell she liked me even while talking to me she was touching me. But unfortunately she was with her husband who came to the pool, they ended up buying me lunch beers everything on them, invited me to their vacation pousada, I thought maybe they were swingers for a moment, LOL.

Try this map/list. It was posted a long time ago. Also, try this link:
[url]http://bitchmaps.com/index_pt.html[/url] Keep posting and have a good time.[QUOTE=Bartonsky]Anyone have a comprehensive list of centro places, termas and massage places. I know I bubbas report he list several centro termas but I am sure there are others. Also had a hard time finding the massage places. In the old posts people list a couple places here and there but not very complete.

Thanks for the help.

In Rio now and will be in Rio for at least a month prob 2.

Hit luomo yesterday. Since that was the first terma I had been to I felt like it had to be my first again. I do think the whole steam room, showers are nicer than most. Last yr I know each place had their fair share of big girls but were always some nice small tight girls as well. Yesterday only saw one girl that was kinda like that.

Maybe it was just an off day. Guess will need some more data pts. Here for a while so not in any rush. Was hoping could save some money and hit the centro places. Took the metro to save money, felt fine no problems. My rule is just to walk fast avoid eye contact.

Thanks for any info that come fwd. Will post any relevant info I get. Oh if you get to luomo before 4 they waive the entrance. I got the #1 key, I thought that was funny. I opened the place up. For some reason my credit card didt work there so had to go downstairs and get cash at the atm with the bouncer guy escorting was kinda annoying, not sure why it didn't work. Hey at least I was able to get the cash.

The women at the entrance said the dollar has really hurt them lot less gringos now. Hard for me to judge since its been a yr since been yr. I did notice a group of like 10 japanese dudes roll in. Yen at 15 yr high vs dollar. They seem to ignore the no smoking rules which was upsetting.

Add more later. Any feedback on the centro terms/ massage places appreciated.

Obrigado[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Try this map/list. It was posted a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
The map you posted are from 2009. There is a more updated map from March 2010.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=132040[/url]

[QUOTE=Urcarioca]Actually, most of brazilian banks do not accept foreign credit cards. Nada a ver com fraude. It's just a question of foreign money exchange, some are allowed to do it, others don't (Unibanco, Banco Real and so on).

You'll never be deceived with a HSBC, Citibank, Banco do Brasil (not all of them) ATM. Sometimes in major cities you'll find Bradesco too.[/QUOTE]Actually, I experienced fraud at both HSBC and Bradesco in Rio. At GIG an at HSBC branch located in Ipanema. Have also heard different opinions of Bradesco, while Citibank I have never heard anything bad about. Just my two cents.

Hi Guys,

I'm back in Rio and just realized that Help is gone. I searched the forum and keep reading the good reviews about Dolce Vita. It's just that nobody provided an address.

I just wanted to confirm that this is the address:

Avenida Atlântica, 1424 - Copacabana

Thanks

[QUOTE=The E]Hi Guys,

I'm back in Rio and just realized that Help is gone. I searched the forum and keep reading the good reviews about Dolce Vita. It's just that nobody provided an address.

I just wanted to confirm that this is the address:

Avenida Atlântica, 1424 - Copacabana

Thanks[/QUOTE]
You do know that this place is about as big as the average American broom closet, don't you? If more than 5 of us show up at the same time, there will be nothing to see except the back of our heads.

[QUOTE=The E]Hi Guys,

I'm back in Rio and just realized that Help is gone. I searched the forum and keep reading the good reviews about Dolce Vita. It's just that nobody provided an address.

I just wanted to confirm that this is the address:

Avenida Atlântica, 1424 - Copacabana

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I can't confirm the address but I can confirm that Dolce Vita is next door to Balcony.

[QUOTE=The Watcher]I can't confirm the address but I can confirm that Dolce Vita is next door to Balcony.[/QUOTE]

I might stop by there tonight so I'll let you know how it is if I get to go inside. Now I'm going to dinner, who knows where I'll end up.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I might stop by there tonight so I'll let you know how it is if I get to go inside. Now I'm going to dinner, who knows where I'll end up.[/QUOTE]

Cool. Do you have Balcony's address? Are they both on
Avenida Atlântica? Even if you can just give me an area I can figure it out. They are in Copacabana right?

[QUOTE=The E]Dolce Vita... I just wanted to confirm that this is the address:
Avenida Atlântica, 1424 - Copacabana[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Watcher]I can't confirm the address but I can confirm that Dolce Vita is next door to Balcony.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The E]Cool. Do you have Balcony's address? Are they both on Avenida Atlântica? Even if you can just give me an area I can figure it out. They are in Copacabana right?[/QUOTE]
You already know the address of Dolce Vita. Balcony is just next door. Why do you need the address to Balcony?
Are you going to visit Balcony or sending them a post card?

Balcony: Av. Atlântica 1424, Copacabana.
[url]http://www.balconyrio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=32[/url]

[QUOTE=Sperto]You already know the address of Dolce Vita. Balcony is just next door. Why do you need the address to Balcony?
Are you going to visit Balcony or sending them a post card?

Balcony: Av. Atlântica 1424, Copacabana.
[url]http://www.balconyrio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=32[/url][/QUOTE]

So you took the time to do all that cutting and pasting and didn't actually read what I was asking for? My whole post was about me not being sure if that was the address because I found a lot of address under the name Dolce Vita. Nobody said "yes that is the address". Nobody verified that it was in Copa or on Avenida Atlântica.

However, I just walked the entire stip and ran smack dab into it no problem. As The scene is basically the same as it was in front of Help so I felt right back at home. I even saw many of the same people out there, even the chicklets lady in all black with the curly hair. I asked some people about her and they told me that she has been selling those things for over 20 years. That's so crazy!

I picked up a girl and we hooked up last night for $200 reals. She stayed the night and we basically kicked it all day today together and had sex on and off between outings. Not too bad for $200 reals. I never spent that much on a girl, but she was definately worth it for an entire days time.

I may go back out there tonight, but I'm not sure. I'm pretty sexed out and am going to see my main girl tomorrow and may need a day to recoop.

Glad you had a good experience there. I have been there a few times over the past several weeks and it is a decent scene, though dominated by the same cliques of girls (apparently they sort of drive away newcomers). I also have been upstairs to Dolce Vita and while it is small, it's not quite as small as the "broom closet" comment would lead a novice to believe ;) DV usually gets hopping around 2:30AM -- the balcony crowd moves upstairs around that time.

R$200 is really the "experienced" rate that long-term guys here are getting for TLN from girls there, from the folks I've talked to. Glad you got it, too and had a good exp.

Funny thing is, I look right down on DV and Balcony from my apartment across the square and I can see the crowds out there when I go to bed. Fun times. I need to buy a telescope :)

[QUOTE=The E]So you took the time to do all that cutting and pasting and didn't actually read what I was asking for? My whole post was about me not being sure if that was the address because I found a lot of address under the name Dolce Vita. Nobody said "yes that is the address". Nobody verified that it was in Copa or on Avenida Atlântica.

However, I just walked the entire stip and ran smack dab into it no problem. As The scene is basically the same as it was in front of Help so I felt right back at home. I even saw many of the same people out there, even the chicklets lady in all black with the curly hair. I asked some people about her and they told me that she has been selling those things for over 20 years. That's so crazy!

I picked up a girl and we hooked up last night for $200 reals. She stayed the night and we basically kicked it all day today together and had sex on and off between outings. Not too bad for $200 reals. I never spent that much on a girl, but she was definately worth it for an entire days time.

I may go back out there tonight, but I'm not sure. I'm pretty sexed out and am going to see my main girl tomorrow and may need a day to recoop.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The E]My whole post was about me not being sure if that was the address because I found a lot of address under the name Dolce Vita. Nobody said "yes that is the address". Nobody verified that it was in Copa or on Avenida Atlântica.[/QUOTE]
Propably nobody verified that Dolce Vita and Balcony lies in Copa because it's so obvious to anybody who cares to read the forum.

Thanks to all the help on the board I found the first centro massage. Just went to the first on on that list someone posted from Sperto. Thanks again.

Took me awhile got off on the wrong metro station. Need to get off on carioca
station. The bld is literally next door to it. I think there are many in the bld so shold be easy to check out 3-4 in one trip. the people there were very friendly and the room was clean.

she charged me 95k real for 40 mins. dont know if i got charged wrong or the prices went up. Was my first time so just assumed it was right. There were4-5 girls, nothing amazing one that looked like my type. But i then asked the girl that was the presenter if she worked and she said yes so I got her. Dont know if that was a mistake but she was pretty fun and enthusiastic. basicaly there was no massage it was starts blowing and then sex. sometimes i wish they played it a bit more coy. i kinda like the shy girls sometimes that takes some coaxing to get them going. i guess every place is different.

The challenge so far is finding the thinner smaller type of girls. was in medellin for a while so guess used to that now. most girls are thicker big ass types. i dont mind a nice ass but dont like when it get sloppy.

so far have felt safe on the subway. reminds me of nyc. i figure i will check out a bunch of these centro places and mix it up with the higher end termas.

thanks again for posting the pdf to the centro places.

Went to the Marriott hotel for dinner, all you can eat Sushi and all the beer you can drink, 60 reais.

Headed up to Balcony, met a natural blonde type, she told me 200 reais and she has a car, we started to walk to her car but then she told me to wait about 1 block after Balcony in the middle of nowhere, she told me she has to wake her friends up who are sleeping in the car, girls who are drunk.

I waited for a few minutes and then turned around walked straight into Dolce Vita, met a girl who I saw in 2a2 the other night and I was in the same room as her, OMG putas in a swing club?

Later walked back out to Balcony as Dolce Vita was not that crowded, ran into a nice sweet slim blonde, 200 reais and back to the apto, she knocked my socks off, best sex I had all day.

Overall it's not TA or Help but with looking a little bit you can come up with something decent and they all quote me 200 reais so far.

Some girl told me there is another club they go to 5 blocks from the Copacabana Palace; don't remember the name but I'll try to do some more research. It's on Ave. Atlantica.

Passed by Ho beach today about 2 PM, a few putas there, the touts were all over me like white on rice and some of the old vet touts came over to laugh because they saw how they attacked me. I never sit there prices so inflated but they told me the girls come later about 2:30 to 3 PM, but I didn't return. I saw my old friend Jose there who is the most aggressive of the bunch, he doesnt talk to me anymore because I caught him stealing and when I went back to confront him and demand my money back I did it in front of prospective clients, I embarrased him to give me my money back, since then he doesn't bother me anymore, this is a good thing.

Those touts on ho-beach must have a really hard time nowadays with so few gringos. I would never spend a single centavo on those vultures. I have my favourite barraca 100 metres away. Close enough to see if there are any interesting talents coming down to ho-beach. It's very amusing to see the touts running after gringos on the beach, fighting to get the clients.

Those touts should perform at a circus. The man with the giant balls, the man with the giant belly, Paulo with the extra belly-button (dead by now?), the indio, the limping dwarf, fiscal da natureza and the crazy dog doing tricks.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Propably nobody verified that Dolce Vita and Balcony lies in Copa because it's so obvious to anybody who cares to read the forum.[/QUOTE]

I consider myself an experienced forum dude, i.e. (not a n00b). I challenge you to find a thread on here that provides an address or even states that these two places are in Copacabana. I made the assumption that they were, however, I found no confirmation.

Not everyone stays in Copa, this is just one small area in Rio. So it would be stupid on my part to make that assumption, which is why I asked someone for confirmation before going on a wild goose chase.

This is the Rio forum, not a US city forum where most of the people talking live in that city and already know the area's well. Many of the people utilizing this form don't frequent Rio often or have only been here a few times. So it's expected for people to ask a few extra questions about locations and addresses.

[QUOTE=The E]I consider myself an experienced forum dude, i.e. (not a n00b). I challenge you to find a thread on here that provides an address or even states that these two places are in Copacabana. I made the assumption that they were, however, I found no confirmation.

[/QUOTE]
Is this the confirmation you were looking for? "Balcony #1 Bar & Restaurant in Copacabana." Several posts refer to Dolce Vita next door, obviously in Copacabana as well.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1072971&postcount=5263[/url]

Hey guys, this was my 4th visit to Rio, my fave destination in the world for P4P action?

I ended up going to a terma every night, my appetite is insatiable, like many of you, all I could think about was sex? I prefer termas as they are safer, you know the prices up front, in many places the girls get tested too, and I just like the atmosphere where you see loads of beautiful girls all in one place where you can chat, flirt and kiss them?

I have a preference for white/caucasian girls, whatever you want to call it and speak fairly good Portuguese. I know many of you will say, well why go to RJ as most are black/mulattas? Yes that's probably true, but on previous trips I've always managed to find what I wanted?

I stayed in a one bedroom apartment on Avda Nossa Senhora de Copacabona & Rua Miguel Lemos, very close to the old Help.

I'll split this report into various posts:

Day 1 – Balcony Bar (1424 Av. Atlantica), (Barbarellas (Rua Min Viveiros Castro, 24 – Copacabana), Pussy Cat (Rua Belfort Roxo, 88. Copacabana,)

Arrived in RJ at around 21. 30 after a 12 hour flight, got to my apartment about 22. 30 left all my stuff there and decided to check out the scene. From previous experiences I knew it would be too late to go to a terma as most places seem to close at midnight or 01. 00 but quieten down a few hours before so I decided to check out Balcony Bar which seems to be the new help.

As most people described it's a small bar, I got a drink (quite expensive!) and started to check out the talent. A big disappointment I have to say, well October is low season and prob not the best time to go but the flight was cheap and it was a spontaneous trip anyway (booked 5 days before?). I don't think there was one girl I found attractive and besides, since I have a preference for white/Caucasians there weren't many of those about anyway.

I then went to Barbarellas, for many of you who don't know it's basically a club with nude dancers and working girls for take out. It was 60 reals to get in (you get two drinks with that) and did the usual, got myself a drink and started to check out the talent. Again, there was nothing really outstanding for me, I chatted to a lot of girls but none that really I found attractive enough to take home with me. I did kiss one girl though, she wasn't that bad, but I didn't really want to take her home but I was having fun just kissing her anyway. Of course these girls try to be very persuasive and kissing is one way to get a new client, but hey I was having fun just kissing her and in the end just told her I didn't want to go with her.

There was nothing there for me so decided to leave and went to a place called Pussy Cats. I went to this place on my last trip to Rio and my friend ended up taking a girl home on that occasion. When I went there this time, again a big disappointment, I only went in to have a look so didn't pay entrance, then I left almost immediately afterwards and went back to my apartment.

[QUOTE=Bartonsky]

she charged me 95k real for 40 mins. dont know if i got charged wrong or the prices went up.
[/QUOTE]

Yes, you got ripped off. With 45000 reais you can close VM for a month.

Well shit happens.

:-)

[QUOTE=Perkele]Yes, you got ripped off. With 45000 reais you can close VM for a month.

Well shit happens.

:-)[/QUOTE]He had to mean R$95 for 40 minutes, not R$95k (as in R$95,000). If a chica got R$95,000 for 40 minutes I will fly down there and make her my busy partner.

[QUOTE=The E]I consider myself an experienced forum dude, i.e. (not a n00b). I challenge you to find a thread on here that provides an address or even states that these two places are in Copacabana. I made the assumption that they were, however, I found no confirmation.

Not everyone stays in Copa, this is just one small area in Rio. So it would be stupid on my part to make that assumption, which is why I asked someone for confirmation before going on a wild goose chase.

This is the Rio forum, not a US city forum where most of the people talking live in that city and already know the area's well. Many of the people utilizing this form don't frequent Rio often or have only been here a few times. So it's expected for people to ask a few extra questions about locations and addresses.[/QUOTE]Enjoy your trip in Rio. Roll with it, let everything else roll off your back. Being in Brazil 6 months a year makes me happy.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Is this the confirmation you were looking for? "Balcony #1 Bar & Restaurant in Copacabana." Several posts refer to Dolce Vita next door, obviously in Copacabana as well.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1072971&postcount=5263[/url][/QUOTE]

CHECK....MATE!

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Went to the Marriott hotel for dinner, all you can eat Sushi and all the beer you can drink, 60 reais.


Now that is really interesting, all the beer you can drink for R$60. Thats only 12 choppe. Is there a time limit on this? When does it start and when does it end? I feel a thirst coming on.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado][QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Went to the Marriott hotel for dinner, all you can eat Sushi and all the beer you can drink, 60 reais.


Now that is really interesting, all the beer you can drink for R$60. Thats only 12 choppe. Is there a time limit on this? When does it start and when does it end? I feel a thirst coming on.[/QUOTE]

Well, I know, They have good Devassa chopp on Tap there. I got there late but it ends at 1 AM. If your a drinker the beer alone could pay for itself, it probably starts about 8 pm or so, normal dinner time , I believe its just Mon thru Fri though.

Day 2 – Centaurus (Rua Canning, 44)

- Termas in Rio.

I've been to quite a few termas in Rio, my personal favourite is Centaurus. It is the most expensive terma in Rio but for me probably has the best selection of girls. They always try to get you to pay the entrance + a 40 minute session which is 120 + 330 reals up front, but I always just pay the entrance first then if I decide to go with a girl I'll pay for that separately.

I have been mongering in many places around the world but haven't really experienced anything like the termas in Rio. I get a big buzz of excitement and aniticipation just before I go to a terma, I love these places, it's like heaven!:.)

- Entering the bar-

Anyway, so I get changed into my bathrobe and make my way upstairs to the bar all excited:.) I open the door and walk in and see all these beautiful girls, a few of them greet me and say, "oi, tudo bem? " I quickly scan the room then head off to the bar to get a drink. I like the layout of the bar in Centaurus which is different to all the other termas I've been too. The area by the bar has high stools and is kind of sectioned off from the main area. I like it this way 'because it means you're not in plain view of everyone and feels kinda private. The main area is an L shaped room, if you go into the corner, again you're not in plain view of everyone and it feels a bit more private and intimate, which is great when you're with a girl!

- My terma routine –

As I mentioned before I love termas, I just love going to a place with dozens of beautiful girls you can chat with and kiss and of course end up having sex with. Mixed in with the music and all that, it's just a great experience. I don't like to go with the first girl that approaches me, I love to chat with various girls, get to know them and then decide which girl to go with. What I usually end up doing is going round and kissing maybe 5 or 6 girls then choose one of those girls to go with:.) I love kissing, and I'm telling you, I could spend all night in a terma just kissing and feeling up all the girls. These girls of course are trying to persuade you to go with them upstairs for a session so they will kiss you, feel you up, talk dirty to you and rub your dick to get you horny and go with them. Well that's fine by me! In my experience all the girls will DFK you passionately and rub you up big time, and I just can't get enough of it!.

- Checking out the talent –

Anyway, so I get a "Cuba libre" from the bar (rum and coke) and there are a few girls sat on stools, as I'm ordering my drink I'm standing next to a girl sat on a stool and we start to chat. We do the usual, " oi, tudo bem?, de onde e voce? " chit chat, and after a minute or too our lips start to steer towards each other and we start kissing. It's full on DFK of course and I'm enjoying every minute of it as I feel her up as well. She was a black haired girl with tanned skin, nice slim body, small tits and an ok face, I wasn't going to go with her but I thought I'd just spend a few more minutes just getting off with her anyway. She asks me if I want to go upstairs with her but I say I'm not sure yet and want see the other girls:.)

- Enter Giovanna-

Let me digress a little and tell you about Giovanna. She's a girl I met in Centaurus in March 2009, for me she is absolutely stunning. I got her phone number and e-mail when I first met her and had a private session with her at my hotel as well last year in 2009. She is tall and beautifully tanned, has an amazing "lingerie model" type body and just oozes sex appeal the way she walks and poses. When I first saw her I said wow, she's stunning. She has these amazing legs too, when I saw her sat on a stool with those long legs slighty apart in high heels it just drove me crazy and I said, wow, I've got to have her! If I have a type of girl I like, then I suppose it's the catwalk/lingerie model type, so slim, tall and nice body, every now and then you can find one:.)

. Back to the story..

Anyway, so I had e-mailed and chatted to Giovanna on MSN to say that I would be going to Rio and that would be good to see her. I had been in Centaurus since about 18. 15 and around 19. 00 Giovanna comes in. 1st thing I notice is that she had put on a bit of weight since I last saw her, but she was still stunning. Anyway, so we get a drink and sit down and we start to DFK each other. She has the most amazing luscious full lips and I'm there just enjoying every moment of it as I feel up her long legs too. After a while she tries to persuade me to go upstairs with her but my plan was always to invite her to my apartment as I had done on my last trip where we could be more relaxed and it wouldn't be rushed. We agreed that I would call her tomorrow and maybe meet up and so she goes off and talks to other guys.

. The hunt commences..

So after a DFK session with Giovanna:.) I start looking at the other girls. In my very 1st visit to Centaurus way back in 2006 during Carnival, the talent was unbelievable. Carnival probably attracts the best looking girls from all over Brazil and at that time, it was like a dream, I wanted to shag almost every girl there. Perhaps being low season there were not, for me, many stunning girls who would blow my mind away, but still there were some quite attractive girls. In the end I see this cute blonde, wonderful shapely legs and arse, not much tits but quite a pretty face. Anyway, so I do the usual, we get a drink and we DFK each other for a while. I'm of course well horny by then so she asks me if I want to go upstairs with her but I needed to find out a few things first.

For me to really enjoy sex, I look for one thing which is like a minimum prerequisite, BBBJ. If a girl doesn't do that then I won't go with her. There is also one other thing I look her is whether a girl does CIM:.) so if she does both then I'm def going with her. So I ask her if she does both, she says yeah, so of course I'm well pleased and decide to go up with her:.)

- Doing the deed.

It's funny I can't remember much about the sex:.) it was good, but not that memorable. She had a great pair of legs and really nice arse, it was nice going down on her too. She gave a pretty good BJ and we did it in various positions and when I was about to come, I pulled out, took off the condom and asked her to suck me off to orgasm. For me, doing CIM while at the same time she keeps sucking is just the most pleasurable intense sensation you can get. After a few squirts in her mouth she pulled away for some reason, later she tells me that a bit went straight down her throat which put her off which is why she pulled away. Anyway, an enjoyable experience none the less:.)

. Back to the bar..

I went back to the bar to get a drink and chill out a bit, and to also see if I could kiss another girl:.)

After a while this half Japanese, half Brazilian girl called Flavia turns up who looks quite attractive. It was getting towards the end of the night and we start chatting, she was quite direct and asked if I wanted to go upstairs with her. I didn't want to spend more money and anyway, I'm sure I wouldn't have been able to shag a 2nd time so soon after the 1st one:.). So I said no to her but we carried on chatting anyway and we ended up DFK ing each other for a while:.) It was getting near to closing time so I asked what she was going to do afterwards and if she fancied going to a club somewhere. In the end we agree to go a club called Mariuzinn (av Copacabana) so I get dressed and leave Centaurus and later we meet up in a 24 hour bar called Eclipse (about 5-10mins walk from Centaurus) before heading off to Mariuzinn.

. Clubbing at Mariuzinn with Flavia.

Mariuzinn is a night club on Avenida Nossa Senhora de Copacabana. I had been there on my last trip to Rio in Oct 2009, the place was great and they were playing lots of Funk Carioca which I really like and there were great looking girls there too (non pros).

Anyway, so I'm there with Flavia and we're just having a great time dancing, drinking and DFKing each other:.). About an hour half later we go back to my apartment and we do the deed. She didn't ask for any money or anything, she, just like myself, just wanted to have a good time, wow so I got a bit lucky:.) She spent the night at my apartment too and we end up going to have lunch together along with her cousin and another GDP friend.

. Lunch with Flavia.

It's amazing how many of these girls are so open and unashamed about what they do. Flavia and her other GDP friend were having a conversation about clients they've had. Flavia was constantly receiving phone calls from other customers too. These girls make shit loads of money it's unfair, I asked Flavia's cousin if he knew how much roughly Flavia earns, he said it could be around 10, 000.15, 000 reals a month!:.) jeez, unbelievable. Anyway, turned out to be an interesting night out in Rio:.)

What the offical word on smoking in termas? Is it allowed? Do they enforce non smoking rules when inconsiderate patrons ignore the rules.

Day 3 – Termas Monte Carlo (Rua Hilário Gouveia, 19, Copacabana)

My previous visits to Monte Carlo have been memorable, especially my last visit back in Oct 2009 when I did it with twins! That was one of the best experiences I ever had:.) so I was looking forward to this visit.

- Arriving at Monte Carlo –

Got there about 18. 30, changed into a bathrobe as usual and went upstairs to the bar. One thing I always noticed about this place is that there tend to be more afro/mulatta girls here but I do prefer white/Caucasian girls and sometimes you find a few gems like the twins from my last visit?. Flavia (GDP I met from Centaurus) had told me she had worked in Monte Carlo before and that the twins were no longer there, a shame, I would've liked to have met them again.

- Checking out the talent-

Anyway, got to the main bar and as usual there were a bevy of girls in their customary high heels dotted across the room. I scanned the room a bit and have to say I was disappointed that I didn't see any girls I really liked.

There was this one blonde however, tall, tanned, great tits (fake) and firm arse, she was attractive but not someone who really grabbed my attention. I got my usual Cuba Libre, made eye contact with her and she came over as I was sat on my high stool. As what usually happens in these places, we start with a little chit chat and we end up DFKing as of course she's trying to convince me to go upstairs with her. I wasn't totally sure if I wanted to go with her, but I was having fun just kissing her:.). She was being very persuasive indeed, she did that thing where I was sat on my stool, slightly legs apart and she bent over slightly while rubbing her arse against my dick, mmm:.) Of course by then I was getting horny and she was winning me over I have to say. After a few more minutes of this I decide I want to go upstairs with her but I ask her the important questions: BBBJ and CIM? She says yes so we promptly make our way upstairs.

-Doing the deed-

I suspected this girl was slightly older than the other girls, in the light of the bar downstairs sometimes it's not so apparent, when we got to the room I could see in her face and body that she was slightly older. She told me she was 37 which really surprised me, she looks after herself quite well I have to say. Her tits were nicely shaped, fake, but still, they were nice to grab hold of. I can't' remember much of the sex tbh:.) but there is one thing that stands out is that she seems to be into rimming (giving) I'm not really a fan myself but instead of that she did try to persuade me to let her finger me up my arse. I wasn't really up for it but as I was lying face down on top of her she eased her fingers near my anus so I said, ok, just be gentle:.) It wasn't too bad actually, but I didn't let her do it for long.

Anyway, after a few positions I was ready to come and I said I wanted to come in her mouth but she said I could only come around the mouth and not inside. OK, so she lied a little about doing CIM, anyway, it was still good to come around her mouth:.) Not the most memorable shag, but a shag is a shag. I probably won't go back to Monte Carlo again, but you never know, they might get new talent in.

Day 4 – Termas Solarium (R. J J Seabra, 21. Lagoa, Rio de Janeiro – RJ)

Being a Sunday I think there were only a few termas open, I'd been to Luomo on a Sunday before but it wasn't that good so I decided to try Solarium for the first time.

- Arriving at Solarium –

Got there just after 18. 00 by cab from my apartment, the terma is located by the lake in a nice neighbourhood. As many people haver reported, it's run by the same owners of Monte Carlo.

- Entering the bar –

It's the typical bar layout of most of the termas I've been too, seating around the edges and a small bar at one end. I'd say the talent was slightly better than Monte Carlo, there were a few that caught my eye.

- Girl no. 1 –

Can't remember her name, but she wasn't bad looking at all. Slim girl, not bad body, medium height, bottle blonde and face was ok. So I get my usual Cuba Libre and see her standing by the wall and we make eye contact. She comes over, and the usual "Oi tudo bem? ", " qual e o seu nome? " etc., after the pleasantries it's not long before we start some full on DFKing, wow this girl was good, very passionate and kept talking dirty to me, man she was turning me on. I wanted to check out the other girls though so after short but enjoyable DFK and feeling up session I say I'm not sure if I want to go with her as I want to check out the other girls. She's not offended of course and says "fica a vontade" a very common expression which can mean "make yourself at home" but in this situation means more "relax/chillout and make yourself comfortable". She also says if I change my mind I should just let her know.

- Girl no. 2 –

Can't remember the name of this girl either but she kinda fits the profile of my ideal girl. She's a brunette with long hair, tall, quite slim, small tits, face kinda average but the rest of her body made up for that:). Anyway so I get her attention and we start with the small talk and guess what happens next?: P yes we start kissing, full on DFK. Wow this girl was very passionate too, rubbing me up in all the right places and I was having a good feel of her arse. It's not long before she asks me if I want to go to a room with her, but I still wanted to check out some other girls. Before she goes off I ask her whether she does, BBBJ, CIM and anal. The answer was a yes and my eyes lit up, I got the impression that she was a bit of a dirty girl, or "safadinha" as they like to say in Portuguese, and wow that was turning me on a big time!:)

- The chosen one –

I was still on the lookout for a girl that would really catch my attention, enter Bia. For me she has the typical Brazilian look which I really love, she's a dark haired/brunette girl, medium height, slim, golden tan, small tits, pretty face and the most beautiful smokey/smouldering eyes complimented with full, almost bushey eyebrows which are characteristic of many latin/Mediterranean women. It's a look I absolutely love so I had to go and meet her.

I go up to her and start chatting to her but she doesn't seem that receptive and friendly, then one of the girls whispers something into her ear and a few moments later she goes off somewhere. Girls in these clubs notice when guys go around and just chat/kiss various girls without taking them to a room. I'm sure that's what they thought but it was always my intention to take a girl to a room, I just like to take my time. Anyway, I see if there are any other girls that I like, but there aren't really any so I set my sights on Bia but she doesn't seem interested in going with any guy, she spends most of the time just chatting with the other girls. I couldn't get her attention so I asked one of the girls to tell her I wanted to go with her and finally we chat properly. She still seemed a bit distant and cold, there was no pre kissing or anything and I asked her if she did BBBJ and CIM. She said only BBBJ, no CIM or Anal. Normally I wouldn't have gone with a girl like this if I knew there was another girl who did CIM, but it was near closing time and I was just so captivated by her look that I decided I wanted to go with her.

- Doing the deed –

We get to the room and she takes off her bikini, revealing a very small pair of tits with tan lines, I'm not really bothered about that though. She still seems a bit distant and cold, don't know if she's like that with everyone or just me, maybe having a bad day or something, anyway I can't always expect it to be a passionate/intimate experience all the time I suppose.

I started off by going down on her, she had a very nice clean pussy, I was enjoying eating her out while she moaned. She then started sucking me off while I was lying down, it was nice and slow, the way I like it. I then stand up on the bed with her kneeling down while she works slowly on my dick. I love standing up while a girl sucks my dick, just really turns me on, and I could see her in the mirror too, it was great. It was so good I think I let her suck too long 'because it didn't take me too long to come after only two positions, so it was a bit disappointing for me. Anyway, we just lie down and chat for a while and I tell her I would like to see her outside of the terma. She explains that she doesn't have much time, that it would be better in the terma, but if she were to find time it would have to be 500 reals for two hours. She also told me that she has a boyfriend, that's probably why she seemed distant and cold, guilt I suspect. Anyway, I thought she was gorgeous but the experience with her was disappointing.

What ever happened to him?

Dude's report got me interested in Rio/Brazil in the first place.

[QUOTE=Auriflama]What the offical word on smoking in termas? Is it allowed? Do they enforce non smoking rules when inconsiderate patrons ignore the rules.[/QUOTE]Don't know if it's official or not but I haven't seen anyone smoke at all in any of the termas I've been too.

[QUOTE=Perkele]Yes, you got ripped off. With 45000 reais you can close VM for a month.

Well shit happens.

:-)[/QUOTE]Yes still used to Colombia where you have to add k to everything. Yes was 95 reals.

Checked out another place on that list of Sperto. Again thanks all for posting that. Finally found a thinner girl my type. Really good connection. Also was really warm in the room so got nice and sweaty I really like that. I think that is one of the reasons why my exprerience in Luomo wasnt that great. The A/C was on so high I was shivering. Really killed the mood. In my experience cheaper is better in general.

Will post some more detailed reports soon. Been having limited access to internet so its been difficult.

Been to the apt 3320 in that carioca bld and 2114. First one had rvery nice rooms selection was ok not great. 2114 was only 2 girls but one was the skinny type I like. Second one was my best experience here so far. Was funny they were playing some hardcore porn on the tv in the rm in 2114. A little too hard core for my taste, fisting extreme gagging etc. Just thought was kind of funny.

[QUOTE=Auriflama]What the offical word on smoking in termas? Is it allowed? Do they enforce non smoking rules when inconsiderate patrons ignore the rules.[/QUOTE]Last time I was there L'uomo only allowed smoking in the bathroom/sauna. Monte Carlo only allowed smoking in the Whiskeria. 4x4 has a special room only for smoking. Unfortunately they lost the 2nd boate to make this smoking room which is much smaller than the 2nd boate was.

I did not see any violators. I do not know what the rule is inside the cabines.

Supposedly, the new Help club is open. One of my GDP friends told me today on MSN. It is located near the Copa Palace on the corner of Atlantica Ave and Republic of Peru (two story club). If anyone is in Rio can you pass by and let us know how it is?

[QUOTE=Bravo]Supposedly, the new Help club is open. One of my GDP friends told me today on MSN. It is located near the Copa Palace on the corner of Atlantica Ave and Republic of Peru (two story club). If anyone is in Rio can you pass by and let us know how it is?[/QUOTE]Do you (does she) mean it's actually "HELP" just moved to a new location, or an alternative, like the Balcony bar? Hopefully it's really new Help, but we will see.

[QUOTE=Auriflama]What the offical word on smoking in termas? Is it allowed? Do they enforce non smoking rules when inconsiderate patrons ignore the rules.[/QUOTE]

Besides what Edward M said I didn´t see anyone smoke any cigarettes in Centaurus when I was there in March. I was told that Solarium still allows smoking so I never went there. A couple of Brazilian guys ignored the non-smoking policy in 4x4, and they were just next to me so I asked them to put out their cigarettes. They were pretty drunk and didn´t care, they laughed and continued smoking. I moved on to another part of 4x4 and I don´t know how the staff would have dealt with this. I didn´t bother to tell them.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Supposedly, the new Help club is open. One of my GDP friends told me today on MSN. It is located near the Copa Palace on the corner of Atlantica Ave and Republic of Peru (two story club). If anyone is in Rio can you pass by and let us know how it is?[/QUOTE]

The only two story I see on google view at Av. A and Rep. Peru look like it was a daycare center about 6 months ago! If anyone has intel please let us know. I'm there 11/19.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk]Besides what Edward M said I didn´t see anyone smoke any cigarettes in Centaurus when I was there in March. I was told that Solarium still allows smoking so I never went there. A couple of Brazilian guys ignored the non-smoking policy in 4x4, and they were just next to me so I asked them to put out their cigarettes. They were pretty drunk and didn´t care, they laughed and continued smoking. I moved on to another part of 4x4 and I don´t know how the staff would have dealt with this. I didn´t bother to tell them.[/QUOTE]Last time I was at Solarium people went outside to smoke through the door in the boate at the other end from the bar.

The guys at 4x4 may have been police. I hear they make up a large percentage of the Brazilian clientel and of course do not follow any rules they find inconvenient.

[QUOTE=World Mongerer]Day 3 – Termas Monte Carlo (Rua Hilário Gouveia, 19, Copacabana)
... Not the most memorable shag, but a shag is a shag. I probably won't go back to Monte Carlo again, but you never know, they might get new talent in.[/QUOTE]


Thank you for your excellent reports. You are a good writer and I enjoyed reading them.

[QUOTE=World Mongerer]Day 3 – Termas Monte Carlo (Rua Hilário Gouveia, 19, Copacabana)

My previous visits to Monte Carlo have been memorable, especially my last visit back in Oct 2009 when I did it with twins! That was one of the best experiences I ever had:.) so I was looking forward to this visit.

- Arriving at Monte Carlo –

Got there about 18. 30, changed into a bathrobe as usual and went upstairs to the bar. One thing I always noticed about this place is that there tend to be more afro/mulatta girls here but I do prefer white/Caucasian girls and sometimes you find a few gems like the twins from my last visit?. Flavia (GDP I met from Centaurus) had told me she had worked in Monte Carlo before and that the twins were no longer there, a shame, I would've liked to have met them again.

- Checking out the talent-

Anyway, got to the main bar and as usual there were a bevy of girls in their customary high heels dotted across the room. I scanned the room a bit and have to say I was disappointed that I didn't see any girls I really liked.

There was this one blonde however, tall, tanned, great tits (fake) and firm arse, she was attractive but not someone who really grabbed my attention. I got my usual Cuba Libre, made eye contact with her and she came over as I was sat on my high stool. As what usually happens in these places, we start with a little chit chat and we end up DFKing as of course she's trying to convince me to go upstairs with her. I wasn't totally sure if I wanted to go with her, but I was having fun just kissing her:.). She was being very persuasive indeed, she did that thing where I was sat on my stool, slightly legs apart and she bent over slightly while rubbing her arse against my dick, mmm:.) Of course by then I was getting horny and she was winning me over I have to say. After a few more minutes of this I decide I want to go upstairs with her but I ask her the important questions: BBBJ and CIM? She says yes so we promptly make our way upstairs.

-Doing the deed-

I suspected this girl was slightly older than the other girls, in the light of the bar downstairs sometimes it's not so apparent, when we got to the room I could see in her face and body that she was slightly older. She told me she was 37 which really surprised me, she looks after herself quite well I have to say. Her tits were nicely shaped, fake, but still, they were nice to grab hold of. I can't' remember much of the sex tbh:.) but there is one thing that stands out is that she seems to be into rimming (giving) I'm not really a fan myself but instead of that she did try to persuade me to let her finger me up my arse. I wasn't really up for it but as I was lying face down on top of her she eased her fingers near my anus so I said, ok, just be gentle:.) It wasn't too bad actually, but I didn't let her do it for long.

Anyway, after a few positions I was ready to come and I said I wanted to come in her mouth but she said I could only come around the mouth and not inside. OK, so she lied a little about doing CIM, anyway, it was still good to come around her mouth:.) Not the most memorable shag, but a shag is a shag. I probably won't go back to Monte Carlo again, but you never know, they might get new talent in.[/QUOTE]Did those twins have tattoos of scorpions? I ran into twins at cancun this past July. I did on and she was wild.

[QUOTE=Vitrea]Thank you for your excellent reports. You are a good writer and I enjoyed reading them.[/QUOTE]Vitrea, thanks man, much appreciated. I just try to write what I would like to see in reports!

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]Did those twins have tattoos of scorpions? I ran into twins at cancun this past July. I did on and she was wild.[/QUOTE]Hey Ipanema Carioca, I think they did have tattoos, can't remember if they were scorpions, I'll try to upload a photo, then let me know if you recognise them.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]Did those twins have tattoos of scorpions? I ran into twins at cancun this past July. I did on and she was wild.[/QUOTE]I've attached a pic of the Monte Carlo twins! : ) are these the ones?

[QUOTE=Edward M]Last time I was there L'uomo only allowed smoking in the bathroom/sauna. Monte Carlo only allowed smoking in the Whiskeria. 4x4 has a special room only for smoking. Unfortunately they lost the 2nd boate to make this smoking room which is much smaller than the 2nd boate was.

I did not see any violators. I do not know what the rule is inside the cabines.[/QUOTE]

They let you smoke on the big fire escape area at Solarium -- it's right outside the big doors at the end of the boite that have the little fire-escape sign on them. Saw 5-6 dudes head out there at various points tonight.

First, props to World Mongerer for some long-overdue good Rio reports. Breaks my heart to continue to hear bad reports on Monte Carlo as it is literally one block from my office :(

Headed out to Solarium tonight to meet Travelrb69, who was back in Rio for a bit -- he had read some of my FKK reports from Germany back in July. I hadn't been to Solarium since moving to Rio on Oct. 1, so I figured I would give it a shot. Picked Monday as they run an internet special where if you print out a form from their site, they give you R$40 off a 40-minute room. Which barely makes up for the R$15 each-way cab there from Copa, but hey :)

Tell you the truth, i was a bit skeptical on my way out ... I know Solarium and the Zona Sul Ts are pretty pricey these days, and I've been having pretty good luck in Centro at some significantly cheaper Ts introduced to me by BubbaBoy. Like 502 and MV30. Hard to beat R$120 a throw if you find a cutie, and generally I've been seeing 2-3 in each spot.

It wasn't helped by the cab driver dropping me off on the wrong street, about 4 blocks from Rua J.J. Seabra. But I walked a bit and sorted it out. Jardim Botanico always seems "mais tranquilo do que Copacabana" -- may be an illusion, but feels safer. The suco bars are definitely 10%-20% more expensive, at least :)

Solarium remains pretty much the same. 1 perky somewhat cute receptionist and her fatter colleague (who suggested tipping on the way out, which miffed me off a bit). Prices are now (I think) R$70 entrance, R$80 room (40. min), and R$160 girl. With my coupon I got out for R$294 with 1 caipirinha, 1 suco de pessego (for the chick), and 1 water.

The showers were still nice and hot, but I find the bathroom / facilities cramped vs. other T's. I do like the boite in Solarium, a lot. It was a bit slow on Monday night -- one girl said about 1/2 the girls were out -- but that's OK with me as it gave me ample time to check the place out. Lots of taller, thinner, blonder girls than Centro -- 1 black chick, a couple mulattas, some body-builder types (including that chick who used to work at Monte Carlo with the huge dragon tattoo), and also Priscilla (curly blond hair) who does strip-shows sometimes is still there.

There were definitely some doable girls. Won't say the selection was better on a per-girl basis than Centro, but probably overall more doable girls than in 502. I like the vibe in the boite. I ended up picking a tall, muscular, short-dark-hair carioca with a big serpent tattoo around her belly -- Camilla. 25 and of course has 1 kid and is studying to be an aesthetician. She was fun in the room - nice BBBJ, licked the balls w/o being told (good girl), strong squat-fucking. Didn't try anything particularly safado so can't say how she feels about anal or CIM. Funny thing -- I kept saying "Good girl!" as she was doing her thing, and she kept correcting me and saying "Camilla!" ... had to explain to her what it meant in my broken Porto lol :)

Hung out a bit afterwards in the boite. Travelerb69 mentioned some prives (private home places) in Centro that I'd definitely like to check out some time -- much cheaper. I enjoy Solarium etc. but dropping R$300-400 every week is going to take a toll on my bank account. (By comparison, I was seeing a girl in LA 2x/week, for full nights / sleepovers, and paying her US $250 each week ... yay craigslist!).

Interesting - not a lot of gringos. Some younger Brazilian dudes acting loud. It's been pretty gringo quiet most of the places I've been so far this Oct.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Rastaman]What's the name of the new club???[/QUOTE]

Some girl in Dolce Vita told me about it too but I forgot the name. I was going down Ave. Atlantica Saturday night at 4 am after dropping a girl off on Prado Junior. I was looking for the club, it was all lit up, seemed like there were some people still in there, I wanted to stop but it was already 4 AM and I was shot. So it's there and the posters below description of the location looks accurate.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Some girl in Dolce Vita told me about it too but I forgot the name. I was going down Ave. Atlantica Saturday night at 4 am after dropping a girl off on Prado Junior. I was looking for the club, it was all lit up, seemed like there were some people still in there, I wanted to stop but it was already 4 AM and I was shot. So it's there and the posters below description of the location looks accurate.[/QUOTE]I was told it was an anniversary party for a rich old couple!

Come on, somebody must know the name of the new club.

What happened to the new club in Barra called The Pier. It was supposed to be the new Help.

Why is everyone referring to a new "help". Unless a new club has a capacity for over 1000 people like Help did, then it is just another Boite in Rio. There are tons of boites already with the capacity of maybe 50 girls, this is a significant difference. Any new club with a capacity of less than 100 girls is not even close to being a new Help.

[QUOTE=World Mongerer]I've attached a pic of the Monte Carlo twins! : ) are these the ones?[/QUOTE]Different twins, but the one close to the camera is sexy!

Damn!

I went to the Balcony last night and tried a new tactic. I came around 2:00 PM and went around and staked out the girls that I liked. I waited for one to give up and call it a night and leave the area, then I followed her and gave her the look. When I asked how much, she responded with $R 300,00 I came back with $R 150,00 and she agreed. She stayed the night and fucked and BB sucked me... then I got an hour massage and then she fucked me again in the morning before she left. And she was a newbie. Only 18 years old and said that she's only been working for 3 months and is not a regular. She has a regular job in Rio and just goes to Copa when she needs to make ends meet. I saw her ID, born in March of 1992. Great tight body and a great fuck.

I reccommend that you guys try this tactic.

[QUOTE=Bravo]CHECK....MATE![/QUOTE]

lol, I guess I get the big FAIL hunh. Oh well, you win some you lose some, But hey, we're all in Rio so we're all winners right now.

Happy Hunting guys.

[QUOTE=The E]I went to the Balcony last night and tried a new tactic. I came around 2:00 PM and went around and staked out the girls that I liked. I waited for one to give up and call it a night and leave the area, then I followed her and gave her the look. When I asked how much, she responded with $R 300, 00 I came back with $R 150, 00 and she agreed. She stayed the night and fucked and BB sucked me. Then I got an hour massage and then she fucked me again in the morning before she left. And she was a newbie. Only 18 years old and said that she's only been working for 3 months and is not a regular. She has a regular job in Rio and just goes to Copa when she needs to make ends meet. I saw her ID, born in March of 1992. Great tight body and a great fuck.

I reccommend that you guys try this tactic.[/QUOTE]E, those are the ones I find. Get the humble and hungry ones, not the want to be superstar garotas!

Day 5 – Termas 4x4, (Rua Buenos Aires, 44, Centro)

In my last 3 visits to Rio I have always stayed in Copacabana so have always been to termas in that area because of convenience but had read reviews about termas in the centro so decided to check it out.

I actually went to this place last year, Oct 2009, for some reason my friend and I ended up in the whiskeria, we didn't know about the terma upstairs, just thought it was the bar and that's it:) probably fault of the taxi driver who dropped us off right at the door of the whiskeria. Only when I read other reports is when I realized that there must be a terma too:)

- Arriving at 4x4 –

Decided to save some money this time and took the metro from Cantalago station to Uruguaiana, a journey of around 20-25 mins. From the station it's about 3/4 blocks away, fairly easy to find, I got there just after 18. 00.

I got to the place and went through the correct entrance this time:) and went up the stairs got to reception, got my key and changed into my bathrobe

- Entering the bar –

When you get to reception you actually pass by the entrance to the bar, so you can hear the music and see some of the girls go in and out, from outside it sounded lively. Being a Monday I thought that maybe it would be quiet but when I entered the bar area it was quite lively and buzzing and there were a lot of girls.

- Checking out the talent –

My initial scan of the room didn't reveal anything outstanding for me, maybe I'm expecting too much from these termas, but I seem to compare all my terma experiences to my first one back in 2006 at carnival time when the talent in Centaurus was absolutely amazing. Anyway, I got a Smirnoff Ice for a change, and start to check out the talent. The music is pumping away and there is a good vibe in the club with a few girls dancing. It was quite crowded in there as the room is not that big, there must have been over 30 girls there. Walking around the room there were not many stunners but a few catch my eye

- Girl no. 1 –

I have a thing for tall women. For me, if a woman is tall she has a natural elegance, which you don't really get with shorter women. A tall woman will of course have longer limbs, and when you combine that with a nice slim body, good posture and if she knows how to walk, wow, that just oozes sex appeal for me, it drives me crazy. Imagine a catwalk model like Brazilian Giselle Bundchen doing her sexy walk down the runway. Now imagine another beautiful girl, but shorter, say Hayden Panettiere (cheerleader from series Heroes) who's about 5'1", having shorter legs takes shorter strides, not quite the same effect as Giselle, see what I mean?:) well it's all about personal preferences at the end of the day, and that's what turns me on. (I'm only 5'4" BTW:))

Anyway, back to the girl. Damn, she is so tall, she must be about 5'11" and she was hearing heels which must have made her like 6'2". She had long, straight bottle blonde hair, her face was ok, lips were on the thin side though. She was slim and wearing a very revealing dress, which showed some of the nicest pair of tits, I had ever seen. I'm not referring to size, just the shape, perfectly formed, pretty sure they were natural too. There was one thing that I found a bit odd (I'm quite picky as you may have gathered) the lower part of her legs from her knees down to her ankles seemed shorter and out of proportion with the rest of her leg, it just seemed odd to me. Anyway, I chat to her and we exchange pleasantries and I'm two minds whether to sit down with her but in the end I decide not to and look at the other talent.

- Girl no. 2.

I'm in the middle of the room and another girl catches my eye. Can't remember to much what she looks like, just that she was a brunette with long straight hair and a pretty nice body, but not outstanding. Anyway, it's not long before we start kissing and DFKing, right in the middle of the dance floor:) We then moved towards one of the tables, she sat on one of them while I was stood up as we continued our DFK session, damn she was getting into it and so was I:) We were there for quite a while actually, then inevitably she asked me if I wanted to go with her to a room, I ummed and ahhed and said, I want to have a look around first so I walked off.

- Girl no. 3, the fabulous Juliana, the chosen one –

After girl no. 2 I was in the club for quite a while and had seen nearly all the other girls and was getting a bit disappointed, nothing really grabbed my attention until a bit later on, enter Juliana. Remember my thing for tall women? She was a white girl, fairly tall, but she had a presence about her, it was the way she walked in her heels, her slim sexy body, her posture and also a great pair of tits (fake) but nonetheless, a great pair. All that combined instantly grabbed my attention so I got up close, got eye contact then walked up to her. We started to chat and I was getting excited and couldn't wait to get intimate with her so I suggested we sit down. Well it wasn't long before our lips steer towards each other and we get down to some passionate DFKing, she's a great kisser and I'm getting turned on big time. I get us both a drink and we just carry on DFKing, she seems to be enjoying it as much as me, I could've stayed there all night just kissing her. She didn't rush me at all either to go to a room, it was actually me that suggested it 'because after a while I was getting so turned on I just wanted to do her. I ask her beforehand if she does BBBJ, CIM and anal, she says she does everything but CIM, but I don't mind:). Anyway, when we finish our drinks, we go upstairs to the room.

- Doing the deed.

We get a small room which has just enough room for the bed and space for a shower. After we both shower, she get's on the bed naked and on all fours and I see her lovely arse, pussy and thighs, what a turn on! I love it when a girl gets on all fours and sticks her arse up a bit, so I got behind, grabbed those cheeks and started eating her out. Since she said she does anal, I also started to finger her up her anus a bit while I licked her pussy.

It was my turn for oral attention so I lied down on the bed while she slowly sucked my dick for a while. I then stood up on the bed while she was kneeling in front of me sucking me off. I could see her in the mirror and this was turning me on big time, I made her look too:) After a while I got her to lie down face up while I more or less straddle her face, pushing my dick in her mouth, that's another position that is one of my favourites, just really turns me on.

It's time to fuck so I get the condom on and we start missionary and then change to doggy style. I'm really up for some anal action by then, she's a tad reluctant at first but I say I really want to do it, so she gets the KY jelly and slowly I ease my dick into her arse. It's tight of course, but I'm getting turned on and slowly I start to pump her, then gradually getting faster and faster. I then put her legs on my shoulders so I can pump her deeper, she starts to moan and after a while I'm ready to shoot my load so I pull out and ask her to finish me off with her hand so I come all over her body. Overall it was a good fuck, I would've liked to have lasted longer, but sometimes that happens:)

- Back to the bar –

I go back to the bar just to chill out, relax, and have another drink. Juliana comes back and I kind of usher her over and we start chatting, she's a really cool girl. Don't know whether it's true or not, but she tells me she's a student studying radiology, so she studies in the morning and early afternoon then comes to 4x4 after to work from Monday to Friday. Wouldn't be surprised if there are many students working there, just trying to pay their way through uni. Obviously I couldn't resist DFKing her again in between the chit chat:) and I could've spent the rest of the night doing that, she didn't seem to complain: P What a cool girl, Juliana is highly recommended!

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]Different twins, but the one close to the camera is sexy!

Damn![/QUOTE]I managed to get some explicit photos and also a video with them giving me simultaneous oral attention:)))) they work well as a team man!

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]First, props to World Mongerer for some long-overdue good Rio reports. Breaks my heart to continue to hear bad reports on Monte Carlo as it is literally one block from my office

Headed out to Solarium tonight to meet Travelrb69, who was back in Rio for a bit. He had read some of my FKK reports from Germany back in July. I hadn't been to Solarium since moving to Rio on Oct. 1, so I figured I would give it a shot. Picked Monday as they run an internet special where if you print out a form from their site, they give you R$40 off a 40-minute room. Which barely makes up for the R$15 each-way cab there from Copa, but hey

Tell you the truth, I was a bit skeptical on my way out. I know Solarium and the Zona Sul Ts are pretty pricey these days, and I've been having pretty good luck in Centro at some significantly cheaper Ts introduced to me by BubbaBoy. Like 502 and MV30. Hard to beat R$120 a throw if you find a cutie, and generally I've been seeing 2-3 in each spot.

It wasn't helped by the cab driver dropping me off on the wrong street, about 4 blocks from Rua J. J. Seabra. But I walked a bit and sorted it out. Jardim Botanico always seems "mais tranquilo do que Copacabana". May be an illusion, but feels safer. The suco bars are definitely 10%-20% more expensive, at least

Solarium remains pretty much the same. 1 perky somewhat cute receptionist and her fatter colleague (who suggested tipping on the way out, which miffed me off a bit). Prices are now (I think) R$70 entrance, R$80 room (40. Min), and R$160 girl. With my coupon I got out for R$294 with 1 caipirinha, 1 suco de pessego (for the chick), and 1 water.

The showers were still nice and hot, but I find the bathroom / facilities cramped vs. Other T's. I do like the boite in Solarium, a lot. It was a bit slow on Monday night. One girl said about 1/2 the girls were out. But that's OK with me as it gave me ample time to check the place out. Lots of taller, thinner, blonder girls than Centro. 1 black chick, a couple mulattas, some body-builder types (including that chick who used to work at Monte Carlo with the huge dragon tattoo), and also Priscilla (curly blond hair) who does strip-shows sometimes is still there.

There were definitely some doable girls. Won't say the selection was better on a per-girl basis than Centro, but probably overall more doable girls than in 502. I like the vibe in the boite. I ended up picking a tall, muscular, short-dark-hair carioca with a big serpent tattoo around her belly. Camilla. 25 and of course has 1 kid and is studying to be an aesthetician. She was fun in the room. Nice BBBJ, licked the balls w/o being told (good girl), strong squat-fucking. Didn't try anything particularly safado so can't say how she feels about anal or CIM. Funny thing. I kept saying "Good girl! " as she was doing her thing, and she kept correcting me and saying "Camilla! ". Had to explain to her what it meant in my broken Porto LOL

Hung out a bit afterwards in the boite. Travelerb69 mentioned some prives (private home places) in Centro that I'd definitely like to check out some time. Much cheaper. I enjoy Solarium etc. But dropping R$300-400 every week is going to take a toll on my bank account. (By comparison, I was seeing a girl in LA 2x/week, for full nights / sleepovers, and paying her US $250 each week. Yay craigslist!).

Interesting. Not a lot of gringos. Some younger Brazilian dudes acting loud. It's been pretty gringo quiet most of the places I've been so far this Oct.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Hey Cartman, nice report. Since you're living out there now, I assume you will be checking out some termas in the centro at some point? I've only been to 4x4, would be good to see a report from you on the other ones in centro take it easy man.

[QUOTE=The E]I went to the Balcony last night and tried a new tactic. I came around 2:00 PM and went around and staked out the girls that I liked. I waited for one to give up and call it a night and leave the area, then I followed her and gave her the look. When I asked how much, she responded with $R 300,00 I came back with $R 150,00 and she agreed. She stayed the night and fucked and BB sucked me... then I got an hour massage and then she fucked me again in the morning before she left. And she was a newbie. Only 18 years old and said that she's only been working for 3 months and is not a regular. She has a regular job in Rio and just goes to Copa when she needs to make ends meet. I saw her ID, born in March of 1992. Great tight body and a great fuck.

I reccommend that you guys try this tactic.[/QUOTE]2 pm 'til close? that's a lotta staking out to shoot your fish in a barrel. thanks for the info!

[QUOTE=Sperto]Come on, somebody must know the name of the new club.[/QUOTE]


There is only ONE club on that corner, I am sure even Stevie Wonder could find it. LOL! Its right next to the arabic spot, on Atlantica ave.

[QUOTE=World Mongerer]I've attached a pic of the Monte Carlo twins! : ) are these the ones?[/QUOTE]Yes the lovely Palerma in the front and I think her twin uses the name Perla. There is an older sister that used to work at Centaurus, Beautiful face but the body was not as good as the twins. I think that Perla and the older sister have married gringos. Possibly back in Rio now. Sadly most of these "pretty woman" rescues don't work out.

[QUOTE=Bravo]There is only ONE club on that corner, I am sure even Stevie Wonder could find it. LOL! Its right next to the arabic spot, on Atlantica ave.[/QUOTE]
Finding the club will not be a problem. I was just curious about the name of the club.
If some of you're in Rio now it shouldn't be that hard passing by and check out the place.

[QUOTE=Fred100]Yes the lovely Palerma in the front and I think her twin uses the name Perla. There is an older sister that used to work at Centaurus, Beautiful face but the body was not as good as the twins. I think that Perla and the older sister have married gringos. Possibly back in Rio now. Sadly most of these "pretty woman" rescues don't work out.[/QUOTE]Hey Fred100,

Nice to know someone else who recognises them too : ) so did you have the pleasure of a session with the twins as well? I heard from Flavia who used to work in Monte Carlo (now in Centaurus, was with her on day 2 of my report) that one of them had married an Argentinian guy.

The name of the club is Cafe del mar.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]2 pm 'til close? that's a lotta staking out to shoot your fish in a barrel. thanks for the info![/QUOTE]

I was only there for an hour.

[QUOTE=Orpheus I]The name of the club is Cafe del mar.[/QUOTE]Can somebody here give a review of this place? How big is it? Even if this place is 1/3 size of Help, it could be a winner. Imagine being inside a club again at night to pass the time instead of standing outside of Balcony. Geez!

Great report, World. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Orpheus I]The name of the club is Cafe del mar.[/QUOTE]
Cafe del Mar is a restaurant in the location of the former Top Beer. Opening tomorrow at 18:00 hrs.

Ibiza, Buzios and now Copacabana. Cafe del Mar looks nice.
[url]http://www.cafedelmarbrasil.com[/url]
[url]http://www.noisemaker.com.br/2010/10/cafe-del-mar-inaugura-filial-no-rio-de.html[/url]

I doubt that Café del Mar will be any kind of substitute for Help. I don't miss Help at all, but it would be nice with another GP-hangout in Copa.

Copa needs a Café del Mar just like the one in Fortaleza (and a Forró & Mamboo and Zipi Bar).

[QUOTE=World Mongerer]Hey Fred100,

Nice to know someone else who recognizes them too : ) so did you have the pleasure of a session with the twins as well? I heard from Flavia who used to work in Monte Carlo (now in Centaurus, was with her on day 2 of my report) that one of them had married an Argentinian guy.[/QUOTE]

Had a bit of a thing for Palerma for a while, but it's the same old story, once you see them going up and down the stairs a few times. That's the down side of the terma setup. We all know the numbers, it's just a turn off when you get to see it first hand.
Perla the one at the back married the Argentinian guy. The older sister moved to South Africa. Very sweet ladies always enjoyed there company.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Cafe del Mar is a restaurant in the location of the former Top Beer. Opening tomorrow at 18:00 hrs.[/QUOTE]No, it is an restaurant and a club. It is already open. Was there Tuesday.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk]Besides what Edward M said I didn´t see anyone smoke any cigarettes in Centaurus when I was there in March. I was told that Solarium still allows smoking so I never went there. A couple of Brazilian guys ignored the non-smoking policy in 4x4, and they were just next to me so I asked them to put out their cigarettes. They were pretty drunk and didn´t care, they laughed and continued smoking. I moved on to another part of 4x4 and I don´t know how the staff would have dealt with this. I didn´t bother to tell them.[/QUOTE]Thats futile asking a no good drunken bum to stop smoking lol. I will just have to talk to management if this happens to me. I know what your gonna say.

Good luck.

Absolutely agree. Part of the reason I'm putting Fortaleza back on my itinerary for the next trip is that trio of clubs.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Ibiza, Buzios and now Copacabana. Cafe del Mar looks nice.
[url]http://www.cafedelmarbrasil.com[/url]
[url]http://www.noisemaker.com.br/2010/10/cafe-del-mar-inaugura-filial-no-rio-de.html[/url]

I doubt that Café del Mar will be any kind of substitute for Help. I don't miss Help at all, but it would be nice with another GP-hangout in Copa.

Copa needs a Café del Mar just like the one in Fortaleza (and a Forró & Mamboo and Zipi Bar).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orpheus I]No, it is an restaurant and a club. It is already open. Was there Tuesday.[/QUOTE]Very cool! So, what's the verdict? Do you have a mini-TR to talk about number of girls, looks/quality, price range, ambiance, etc?

So how far away is this new club from the old help club?

[QUOTE=Auriflama]What the offical word on smoking in termas? Is it allowed? Do they enforce non smoking rules when inconsiderate patrons ignore the rules.[/QUOTE]

Someone asked about smoking in the cabines as opposed to the boite. As of July, girls were smoking after sex in the cabines at Luomo, 4x4, Bar 22, Club Florida, and all of the apartments that I went to.

Club Florida was allowing smoking in the boite, but no ashtrays and everyone had to throw them on the floor. Anything goes at Florida, anyway. BA85 as well, in case you expected political correctness at that fine establishment, was still allowing smoking. Just don't do it on the stairs, so no one gets hurt...

Bar 22 allows smoking only at the top of the stairs, and don't move away from that little spot or mama will yell. I found it ironic that a straightout brothel selling me bareback pussy will all money paid to the house, then passing the cut of the money straight to the girl in front of everyone is so concerned about health and/or conformance with local ordinances..haha. There is no pretense about a room charge there.

Earlier this year I ran across a couple hot ceweks in Jakarta who did not smoke or drink like most WG's, I guess because of Islamic principles. They were horrible in bed and clearly not into the profession either. Since then, I prefer to screen for girls who do smoke and drink because I expect them to have fewer hangups. These ordinances make it difficult in Rio. Maybe after the Olympics things will be loosened up, I mean the laws, hopefully not the girls. :) Seems like Rio is selling part of its soul for the Olympics. Help, smoking, etc. Adopting the most easily achievable and most senseless values of other countries.

[QUOTE=Rioguest]So how far away is this new club from the old help club?[/QUOTE]
10 blocks.
1457,33 metres...

I was in Club Florida this week, everyone was smoking like it was their last cig. The only other place that I have seen allow smoking so out in the open is T81. Apart from that, most places have been very good in enforcing the law which is fantastic in my book.

I believe they enforce it because the fine is 7 x UPDF's. Which is about R$ 700 now. The enforcement officers aparently have been very good at enforcing it. They will just keep coming back and fining the establishment every night until they enforce no smoking. Nice to see some efficient policing of the laws in Brazil. In fact I was very suprised that Brazil has got this under control so quickly, didn't think it would happen.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]Very cool! So, what's the verdict? Do you have a mini-TR to talk about number of girls, looks/quality, price range, ambiance, etc?[/QUOTE]The ambiance is good, they have good cocktails, due it was raining and the place is new, there where no GDP there, only normal girls and couples. We have to check it later, it was very cold inside, the aircondition sucks.

They got me for my cell phone. I was lucky that that's all they got me for. And it was a 3 year old Razr worth probably $40 and the TIM SIM card only had about R$25 left on it.

It happened with a few girls that were standing on the street across from Copacabana beach. They called me over, it was dark so I came through the middle of two cars to get closer to see them. One came from behind and the other from the front. They acted like they were feeling me up, which they did on my chest and shoulders for a while. Nothing strange or different from the normal "oooooh I want your body, Fuuuuk me" jesture, however, then they both went down into my pockets both front and back at the same time. I only have two hands and quickly pushed them off of me. They both stepped back and their 3 other friends and them quickly walked off, probably exchanging the phone with one of the girls who didn't touch me in case I searched them. Within 10 seconds, realized my phone was gone, but they had already split up and I knew that the girl who had the phone probably handed it off already.

I was pissed, but decided not to make a scene since it was such a small loss financially. My pride was hurt more than anything and I was pissed, but felt like for what it was worth, I have a lot more to lose than them. So I decided to go on with my night and make up for it with a nice lady. Which I found at balcony within 5 minutes and left without getting a drink.

Just writing this embarrassing post so someone else can learn from mistakes. Please, no flames.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I was in Club Florida this week, everyone was smoking like it was their last cig. The only other place that I have seen allow smoking so out in the open is T81. Apart from that, most places have been very good in enforcing the law which is fantastic in my book.

I believe they enforce it because the fine is 7 x UPDF's. Which is about R$ 700 now. The enforcement officers aparently have been very good at enforcing it. They will just keep coming back and fining the establishment every night until they enforce no smoking. Nice to see some efficient policing of the laws in Brazil. In fact I was very suprised that Brazil has got this under control so quickly, didn't think it would happen.[/QUOTE]Freaking idiots someone should take a lit cigarette and flick right in their face.

[quote=the e]

just writing this embarrassing post so someone else can learn from mistakes. please, no flames.[/quote]


no flames, glad you didnt let them ruin your night. i had a bunch of trannys try to pick pocket me last year. i had left franks, walked up prado junior and was walking along atlantica when i saw them in front of me by the parked cars. a group of 5 of them started hooting and hollering at me, i just lowered my head and continued walking towards balcony. next thing i know, i hear the sound of heels clacking as all five of them started jogging towards me. i knew exactly what they were going to try and do , pickpocket me!

i stuck my hands in my two front pockets where i had my money and my phone. they ran up on me, started touching my chest and shoulders, one tried to stand in front of me and back his ass into my crotch in order to slow down my walking speed. i faked left and went right and moved right around him. i then told them in portugese "i know what you are doing! get the fuck away from me, you are not getting my money!" they were not violent or aggresive, they were just trying to grab my attention while went thru my pockets!

Howdy guys,

I don't post very often, and the times I do it's usually in Shanghai or Beijing's thread, or occasionally Spain, but here's my first feedback from Rio.

Am in town for couple of days, so I set about my research through the week. Crikey there's a lot of info in here, waaay too much for me to have time to go through, but I figured with what I read I'd manage.

Staying in Barra, I headed off this afternoon up to Copacabana. Wanted to try a little Termas action. Found the Copacabana itself easily enough, was in and out in 5 minutes though. Ugh not impressed byt either the surly woman on the door or the two girls inside. Perhaps the reports I read on it were older than I thought.

Never mind thinks I. Surely L'Uomo will be better. Lordy it was. Once I found it

Halloween theme going on today, so the 9 or 10 girls working (the doorwoman said 25 so I guess either 15 were fucking or her english is worse than my Portuguese. Out of the girls in there, I'd have happily banged 6 or 7 of them til I dropped dead. Yum. Couple of slim girls with nice arses really caught my eye. Ended up having a very broken conversation with a dark haired girl whose name sounded like Rebecca but probably wasn't anything like that. She had a gorgeous face and a lovely figure, and a pair of bolt ons which looked cracking in what little she was wearing. Said it was her second day there, which I think it probably was when she couldn't find the Cabine we ended up going to.

Of course, before we got to the Cabine, I followed the advice in the guide someone very helpfully formulated and got some kissing in (though she put her hands up at the sides of our faces as if to shield people in the bar from seeing) and asked a few questions which were answered with gusto.

Damn she had a pretty face. Gorgeous long black hair, nice full lips and a lovely smile. Into the Cabine, and on with a good BBBJ, not the best, but certainly not making me doubt my choice. Couple of attempts at Garganda Profunda too, without my prompting. Nice little gag which always turns me on.

Good fuck from behind and then gave her a pounding in the ass just for shits and giggles (luckily no shit was actually present during the events) and then finished off with a fooking massive load all over her lips and tits. No idea where it all came from, I've never seen one that big before. Fuck I musta been horny.

Had planned to stay a couple of hours and try out another girl who caught my eye, but alas when I went for my smokes in the locker, I had a few emails from work and had to leave. Arse.

Anyways, back in Barra after a 90 minute cab ride in traffic (mental note to self, when I come back in December, don't try that journey in rush hour), had a bite to eat, did some work and then though. Lets try something else.

Rebecca (or whatever she was actually called) had asked me to meet her in The Balcony this evening, and if I hadn't had to go back to Barra I would've hung around the hour or so she said she'd be finished in, and happily had an evening out and seen what happened (and what it cost), but anyways, I couldn't be arsed getting a cab all the way back up to Copacabana.

So, I rang up megaclassrj as per this post (thanks Dutch44)

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1067282&postcount=781[/url]

and Gabi was Duly dispatched. No bait and switch thankfully. Man she's got a nice rack. Lovely girl, arrived in 25 mins or so. Great figure, face is ok. Did I mention the cracking rack? No? Man she's got a nice rack. Had a little chat, a nice BBBJ and did the deed. Rates as advertised. Cab was 50 on top. Sat and chatted for a while afterwards about Rio, Her travels to Europe etc. did everthing with enthusiasm and was pretty good, I'd see her again, and it's a bonus that she's nice to chat to as well. I don't mind if a girl gets up and fucks off after the deed's done, and I don't necessarily want to sit and chat for ages afterward, it's not like I'm marrying them, but it was pleasant to have a conversation where the voice in my head wasn't saying 'fuck off already, I've shot my load and now it's time to do something else'. Be good to her, she's a wee gem.

So that's my tuppence. I'll be back for a few days in December, definitely going to hit The Balcony then and see what it's like, probably ring up Gabi, and I might go back to l'Uomo too. I did enjoy it there, but it isn't exactly cheap.

[QUOTE=The E]

Just writing this embarrassing post so someone else can learn from mistakes. Please, no flames.[/QUOTE]

Believe me, you are not the first and you will not be the last. It happens to the best of us - I know a LA cop (a person who should really know better) that had his pockets picked while several girls were rubbing on him. It is good that you made the post to remind people of what can happen.

[QUOTE=The Watcher]Believe me, you are not the first and you will not be the last. It happens to the best of us - I know a LA cop (a person who should really know better) that had his pockets picked while several girls were rubbing on him. It is good that you made the post to remind people of what can happen.[/QUOTE]

I would be 90% sure they were not girls.................

[QUOTE=Puta Playa] Since then, I prefer to screen for girls who do smoke and drink because I expect them to have fewer hangups. [/QUOTE]
Good grief! What kind of logic is this?

Plan A : hook up with Giovanna (Centaurus Girl), Plan B: L’uomo

Day 6 – Termas L’uomo (Rua Siquiera Campos, 143, second level)

It was a national holiday on Tuesday and I had tried to arrange to meet up with Giovanna (Centaurus girl) for that night. I phoned her that day and she said she would phone me back later that evening. She said she was pissed off and jealous that I had been with other girls, wow, I wasn’t expecting that reaction at all. I just thought I was another customer for her, she’s with loads of different guys all the time so what’s the difference? Although I couldn’t understand her reaction it was slightly touching that she felt this way. I’ve been in contact with her on and off since March 2009 and told her a week before that I would be coming to Rio, maybe she thought I would be coming to see her especially. Probably my mistake that in Centaurus I went with another girl and not her : ) That was because I didn’t want a rushed session in the club but preferred to take her back to my apartment and I explained that to her when I met her. Anyway, she didn’t call back, so it was Plan B

- Arriving at L’uomo –

Since I was waiting for Giovanna’s call and she didn’t call I got to L’uomo late-ish, around 21.30. My first experience in L’uomo was not good at all, that was back in March 2009 on a Sunday, there weren’t many girls and I didn’t go with any girl in the end. Over a year on I thought, well, there must be some different talent (hopefully better) and on a different day maybe more lively. Unfortunately again it was a disappointment, there were probably only 8-10 girls and for me only one was do-able.

- In the bar –

Compared to the other termas the bar area is quite small. I sat down on a stool by the bar and got myself a drink. A girl approached me shortly afterwards, she was a nice girl, funny too but I didn’t find her attractive but enjoyed chatting to her.

- The chosen one -

The only girl I found attractive was sat down on the sofas opposite, after a while she came over to the bar to get a drink and then that’s when we started chatting. She was quite a tall girl, quite curvy, not really the slim type I like, but still quite attractive. She was blonde with an ok face, quite European looking and her tits were quite big but because of her build I suspected they would be quite saggy too.

Anyway, so I’m sat on the bar stool, she’s stood up next to me and were making small talk. It’s not long of course till we start kissing and DFKing each other, I’m feeling up her body at the same time and enjoying it very much : ) We then sit down on the sofa and continue our DFK session, I have to say it was really good, she’s a good kisser and it felt like she was eating my mouth out : ) It was very chilled and relaxed, I didn’t feel rushed, I think we would have both been quite content just to chill on the sofa just kissing for a long while. It was getting near to 23.00 though and she said that if we wanted to get a room we would have to go now. I of course ask her if she does BBBJ and CIM, she says yes so we proceed to the room.

- Doing the deed –

We get to the room and she takes her bikini off and I can see she’s a tad fat (by my standards! ) but still quite attractive. Her tits, as I suspected were quite large but a bit saggy (bit like two balloons filled with water left hanging) and her thighs were large. I can’t remember much about the sex, I went down on her, she went down on me, a few positions and I finished with CIM. We chat for a while and I find out she is from the state of Santa Cantarina and has german and Italian heritage, she looks more german to me. Overall an enjoyable experience, maybe just a tad disappointed by the lack of quality and quantity at L’uomo, maybe depends on the day.

[QUOTE=She said she was pissed off and jealous that I had been with other girls, wow, I wasn’t expecting that reaction at all. I just thought I was another customer for her, she’s with loads of different guys all the time so what’s the difference?[/QUOTE]Mongering 101: Laugh and Ignore. She is trying to sucker you into a one-sided GFE or wifey situation like 100 other gringos. Keep it business, unless she says she will quit hoeing and fuck you for free until she dies. She can't be jealous if she expects you to pay for fucking her. You are not fucking her because she is your loyal wife and it's her duty.

[QUOTE=The E]They got me for my cell phone. I was lucky that that's all they got me for. And it was a 3 year old Razr worth probably $40 and the TIM SIM card only had about R$25 left on it.

It happened with a few girls that were standing on the street across from Copacabana beach. They called me over, it was dark so I came through the middle of two cars to get closer to see them. One came from behind and the other from the front. They acted like they were feeling me up, which they did on my chest and shoulders for a while. Nothing strange or different from the normal "oooooh I want your body, Fuuuuk me" jesture, however, then they both went down into my pockets both front and back at the same time. I only have two hands and quickly pushed them off of me. They both stepped back and their 3 other friends and them quickly walked off, probably exchanging the phone with one of the girls who didn't touch me in case I searched them. Within 10 seconds, realized my phone was gone, but they had already split up and I knew that the girl who had the phone probably handed it off already.

I was pissed, but decided not to make a scene since it was such a small loss financially. My pride was hurt more than anything and I was pissed, but felt like for what it was worth, I have a lot more to lose than them. So I decided to go on with my night and make up for it with a nice lady. Which I found at balcony within 5 minutes and left without getting a drink.

Just writing this embarrassing post so someone else can learn from mistakes. Please, no flames.[/QUOTE]I was once too drunk in Lapa one Saturday night, don't remember my cab ride to Copa, and realized my Blackberry was gone the next morning. Mistake, but I carry 2 Blackberrys to Rio, one for backup. Then I lost a phone in Balcony. Lesson: only carry cheap Brazil phones, and have a wingman when hanging out late and drinking.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo]Good grief! What kind of logic is this?[/QUOTE]


If a girl is scared of cigarettes or drink..what else is she scared of, DFK? Hiring a health-nut for sex is like hiring a pacifist for a soldier, there is a low probability of things turning out well. Hawking and hobbying are risky, not a game for the timid.

I like kamikaze party girls who don't care about tomorrow. Rio is good for that, as opposed to someplace like Mexico where the girls are more conservative and worried, except at VM and BA85 where they usually want play it very safe. But girls in those places work for almost nothing, so I understand.

[red]World Mongerer, Muppets[/red]. Nice reports. Keep them up!!!

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]If a girl is scared of cigarettes or drink..what else is she scared of, DFK? Hiring a health-nut for sex is like hiring a pacifist for a soldier, there is a low probability of things turning out well. Hawking and hobbying are risky, not a game for the timid.

I like kamikaze party girls who don't care about tomorrow. Rio is good for that, [/QUOTE]

I get what you're saying.

If a girl comes into my apartment and I offer her a drink and she refuses then I suspect we are not going to have such a good time.

If she says to me sure I'll have whatever you're having then I think things are going to go good.

If she has a drink and pulls out a pack of cigerettes and asks permission to smoke then I know I hit pay dirt.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]If a girl is scared of cigarettes or drink..what else is she scared of, DFK? Hiring a health-nut for sex is like hiring a pacifist for a soldier, there is a low probability of things turning out well. Hawking and hobbying are risky, not a game for the timid.[/QUOTE]When I was in the Navy a guy told me, "If you want your dick sucked, find a chick that smokes." And I must say that for the past 20 years every chick who I have had that smoked didn't mind sucking a dick. It's just one of those things I guess. Can't explain it but it is what it is.

You guys crack me up, in my experience half of all Rio GDP's are up for absolutely anything whether they smoke or not. My favourite response to the question if they take it in the ass or not is "of course I do, not doing it would be weird!".

Finding crazy of the hook girls in Rio is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Hey Bob, I have told a few girls about your cozinha/cuzinho story. Has got a few laughs, one girl on Friday just loved it, was saying " do you like me in the kitchen" all night when I was banging her in the ass. The words are so close, I am sure many a person has confused the 2.

[QUOTE=The E]They got me for my cell phone.

It happened with a few girls that were standing on the street across from Copacabana beach.

Just writing this embarrassing post so someone else can learn from mistakes. Please, no flames.[/QUOTE]No flame at all. It's a classic, usually happening late at night in Avenida Princesa Isabel (Franky's and Cicciolina.). It happened to me, and I live here. Really embarrassing.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]
Hey Bob, I have told a few girls about your cozinha/cuzinho story. Has got a few laughs, one girl on Friday just loved it, was saying " do you like me in the kitchen" all night when I was banging her in the ass. The words are so close, I am sure many a person has confused the 2.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad you had fun with this, that's what Rio is all about and that is what this site should be all about.

The words are very close, I even told the story to two guys I know who have been going to Rio a long time and they didn't pick up on it.

But I'm glad we discussed it here and I know better now, as I said before I rarely use the word because it's not somthing I usually seek with a girl unless they bring it up. I thought it was a slang word for anal rather than a cute version of it.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I'm glad you had fun with this, that's what Rio is all about and that is what this site should be all about.
[/QUOTE]

Exactly, the day we all stop learning is the day we are put into the ground. For the record, I still butcher the language - BADLY!

[QUOTE=Brasil is getting too expensive. I don't think that there will be a Help replacement unless the Dollar makes a come back.[/QUOTE]Remember, Help at it's height was fueled by a strong dollar, where 3-1 exchange brought you a lot of Rio. Now the dollar is sending guys like me to Sosua, Thailand and other mongering places. Instead of doing Rio 4-5 times a year, I may do it once maybe twice a year. Many mongers feel the same.

With less gringoes, the apartment providers will be hurt. And rightfully so, because they are now asking for deposits and copies of passports.

Restaurants will be hurt, because of less mongers. Therefore, waiters will not have gringos to pad the tab with false prices and gdp drinks.

Termas will to be hurt. Luomo, Solorium and Monte Carlo have mostly gringo business. Instead of going down in their prices to attract clients they go up. Now they are too expensive for locals. I go to these termas and I am the only one there.

Balcony is, too, hurting. Girls who use to be there before Help closed are not there. And the woman her are there are no where as fine comparing to Help woman. And it's cheaper to use a agenc like Karla models than pick up a girl from Balcony.

Lastly, 2010 was an eye opener for mongers who use US holidays to visit Rio. Now that these visitors have come to Rio, they will not return and confirm to other US mongers that Rio is dead. The same with europeans.

And for the apartment providers, most tourists will use hotels and not apartments. Unlike mongers who will go to VM for pussy, and not care about the locals, tourists will feel safer at hotels.

But many hotels are, too, closing. I got word that the Rio Othon Palace, next to Meia Pataca, is closing March 2011. So if hotels in Copa are closing, Meia Pataca will be the only restaurant on that block. And I do not think the owner will let the few gdps now there get in the way of getting regular tourists.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]When I was in the Navy a guy told me, "If you want your dick sucked, find a chick that smokes." And I must say that for the past 20 years every chick who I have had that smoked didn't mind sucking a dick. It's just one of those things I guess. Can't explain it but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]I haven't heard that one, but I would believe it.

-Helpmann :)

Will she close the termas?

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Exactly, the day we all stop learning is the day we are put into the ground. For the record, I still butcher the language - BADLY![/QUOTE]BB -- I'm so glad you are back around; learned so much from you and I have to give up all credit to you for me being a Rio expert now! My boys and I first trip was back in 2007 and it revolved around your guide. My Buddy even made a mini movie with all our pictures and the beginning is dedicated to you; you will have to see it one day, funny ass s**t!!

Regards,

Musze3000

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]Remember, Help at it's height was fueled by a strong dollar, where 3-1 exchange brought you a lot of Rio. Now the dollar is sending guys like me to Sosua, Thailand and other mongering places. Instead of doing Rio 4-5 times a year, I may do it once maybe twice a year. Many mongers feel the same.

With less gringoes, the apartment providers will be hurt. And rightfully so, because they are now asking for deposits and copies of passports.

Restaurants will be hurt, because of less mongers. Therefore, waiters will not have gringos to pad the tab with false prices and gdp drinks.

Termas will to be hurt. Luomo, Solorium and Monte Carlo have mostly gringo business. Instead of going down in their prices to attract clients they go up. Now they are too expensive for locals. I go to these termas and I am the only one there.

Balcony is, too, hurting. Girls who use to be there before Help closed are not there. And the woman her are there are no where as fine comparing to Help woman. And it's cheaper to use a agenc like Karla models than pick up a girl from Balcony.

Lastly, 2010 was an eye opener for mongers who use US holidays to visit Rio. Now that these visitors have come to Rio, they will not return and confirm to other US mongers that Rio is dead. The same with europeans.

And for the apartment providers, most tourists will use hotels and not apartments. Unlike mongers who will go to VM for pussy, and not care about the locals, tourists will feel safer at hotels.

But many hotels are, too, closing. I got word that the Rio Othon Palace, next to Meia Pataca, is closing March 2011. So if hotels in Copa are closing, Meia Pataca will be the only restaurant on that block. And I do not think the owner will let the few gdps now there get in the way of getting regular tourists.[/QUOTE]Do you really think Rio and Brazil give a shit about mongers? What mongers spend in Brazil is a drop in the bucket in terms of the overall economy. Sure some low-life apartment and bar owners might take a financial hit - but the country is going through permanent changes. I have been securing business deals with companies that are finally making the plunge in Brazil after years of watching from the sidelines. They say the conditions are finally right.

The hotel is probably closing to be renovated for the 2014 World Cup and 2016 Olympics. There are actually major investments being made in the hotel and hospitality sector throughout Brazil.

The way things are going, mongers may find the US cheaper than Rio in the near future. I was just in Vegas and even on a Halloween weekend that town is dead. Empty malls, shopping centers and office parks. Foreclosures everywhere. Casinos are slow and they are giving away rooms and food. Of course, the women in the US will never give the level of service as in Brazil.

I'll be back in Brazil starting mid-November for 3 months after being in the states for the past 2 months. Can't wait. Very depressing in the U.S. now.

A woman being elected sends a strong message in a country where men typically held the position. All politicians make promises to get elected, once in office they then become privy to what really goes on behind closed doors. Some politicians are just liars others appear to be only because they can't fulfill their promises due insider details they are now a part of.

One thing for sure, she still has to survive in a male dominated arena. I would guess there are few men in office that like to unwind in a terma now and then:)

Enjoy!

Rio I will reduce to 1 maybe 2 trips a year, because all the locals are in this "fuck the gringo". A fellow travel agent here in Los Angeles is Brazilian, and he came to US at 21 now he's 42. He is from Lagoa Rodrigo de Freitas in Rio. The Balcony and Dolce Vita girls tried R$200-R$300 on him. By the time he was done he paid "R$80" and at "termas centaurus " it's the same. It's the favorite for locals because the owner hates gringos and charge them more twice. The get away with it because you will never get this info. The owner and my friend's family are close and barbeque at each others house. The Ipanema and Copa termas owners do not like gringos and love taking the money!!! Even the little discount for early birds is far over what locals pay. They treat all gringos the same. If you are not brazilian you get "shaken down"! From the shoe shine boy to the crooked cop, and the gdp and terma owner is in the middle.

So gringos should just cool and try other parts of the world like Medellin, Pattaya, Sosua, or anywhere in Brazil. But give Rio a break until they appreciate the gringo client. But some monger will think with his lil' head and figure he can't do without Rio, empowering the Rio asshole locals.

I just did my long awaited trip to Rio and although I had a great time especially in Loumo and Montecarlos my last nite at Balcony went to shit at the end. I had hooked up with some guys I met on the plane and drank a few beers when I noticed a pretty brunette at the next table. I bought her a few drinks and after the flirting and tease I popped the question. She quoted $$$rls and my dumbass quickly agreed. Since my hotel was chica unfriendly we went to the one behind Balcony. Once in the room the attitude changed. She demanded the money first then after the deed she went in the bathroom and was on her cell. She quickly came out and went for the door. This is where I turned into an asshole and she reacted like a frightened child. She still made it out me following her and lord and behold she had someone in a car waiting. After she sped off I regrouped and went back to Balcony. A lesson learn. Just want to share a quote from the argentina section:

If you go along with what she asks, she'll think you're weak and / or a dumbshit, and she'll give you service accordingly. Bargaining (of course always in a friendly manner) establishes respect. And respect is key to getting good treatment from women (pro or non-pro)"

"In my mongering experience, the few times I've paid the chick's asking price, the experience has ended up being bad. I think it's a matter of respect. If you just give in and pay what she wants, she thinks you're a loser, and will treat you as such. If you bargain with her (but in a congenial way) she will respect you more, and will give you a better experience. Women (including pros) don't like pushovers."

From Daddy Rulz: "The way chicas respect strong men and hold weakness in contempt is a subject that can never be overstated. If you have her thinking she needs to impress you to get the dollars, then you're half way to a good fuck for less money. If on the other hand she senses blood in the water like the perfect predator she is, you're chum."

Be safe!

[QUOTE=Sabor]She quoted $$$rls and my dumbass quickly agreed. Since my hotel was chica unfriendly we went to the one behind Balcony. Once in the room the attitude changed. She demanded the money first then after the deed she went in the bathroom and was on her cell. She quickly came out and went for the door. This is where I turned into an asshole and she reacted like a frightened child. She still made it out me following her and lord and behold she had someone in a car waiting. After she sped off I regrouped and went back to Balcony. [/QUOTE]We mongers better do better to share this type of intell. without just laughing at each other. This ***** had a car waiting for her. WTF!!! Go after the girls who are "humble and hungry", and not the hi tech GDP hoes.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]Remember, Help at it's height was fueled by a strong dollar, where 3-1 exchange brought you a lot of Rio. Now the dollar is sending guys like me to Sosua, Thailand and other mongering places. Instead of doing Rio 4-5 times a year, I may do it once maybe twice a year. Many mongers feel the same.

With less gringoes, the apartment providers will be hurt. And rightfully so, because they are now asking for deposits and copies of passports.

Balcony is, too, hurting. Girls who use to be there before Help closed are not there. And the woman her are there are no where as fine comparing to Help woman.[/QUOTE]
I think you are overexaggerating the importance of sex-mongers in Rio. The tourism in Rio has never been dependent on sex toruism. The brazilians have money, and they don't mind spending it. There are hords of brazilians on holiday in Europe. The same goes for all the brazilian tourist destinations.

The apartment providers in Copa don't lack clients as they rent to brazilians. The only agencies that might have problems are the ones who were only directed to gringos.

Balcony isn't hurt. The owner has never been so happy since Help closed. The Balcony girls quality have not become worse, on the contrary. The quality used to be horrible and now it's upgraded to just bad.

I don't rely on rumours on this forum, but if they would close Rio Othon Palace it wouldn't be a loss. Meia Pataca is already history since a while back.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]
But many hotels are, too, closing. I got word that the Rio Othon Palace, .[/QUOTE]

I read an article a few months back that the Rio Government was making an investement in the Othon chain of hotels for renovations. The Othon Palace hotel has been waiting for years for Help to close. Now that Help is closed they are probably going to close to renovate. The Othon Palace hotel has had a negative stgma with regular tourists because it was so close to help. Now that that stigma is removed they can upgrade the property and beome a 5 star hotel again. This is probably what you heard my guess is.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]With less gringoes, the apartment providers will be hurt. And rightfully so, because they are now asking for deposits and copies of passports.[/QUOTE]

One thing I heard recently is that the owners of the apartments that were being rented are now selling the apartments because the real estate market is high in Rio now so they are cashing in. The people who are buying the apartments are not renting them but are living in them so the supply of apartments is less for availability. This will hurt apartment providers.

Regular tourism in Rio is on the rise as is business travel to Rio. They would have been doing better but had a set back recently with that hostage taking in the Intercontinental hotel. But once that is forgotten and the positive press about the world cup and the olympics then regular tourism will boom, they don't need mongers plus this new president isn't going to be good for mongers either.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]You guys crack me up, in my experience half of all Rio GDP's are up for absolutely anything whether they smoke or not.[/QUOTE]

What you're saying is probably true 50% of all GDP's are up for everything but what we're saying is that probably 90% of GDP's who smoke are up for everything. It's just a good barometer.

[QUOTE=Sperto]I think you are overexaggerating the importance of sex-mongers in Rio.[/QUOTE] We talking about p4p and GDP Sperto. Please stay on the subject. We are not talking about the big picture in Rio and tourism. The fact that fewer mongers are going to Copa alone means a major impact on the Rio economy. The girls come from all over to make easy "sex money" for their families.

[QUOTE=The E]I went to the Balcony last night and tried a new tactic. I came around 2:00 PM and went around and staked out the girls that I liked. I waited for one to give up and call it a night and leave the area, then I followed her and gave her the look. When I asked how much, she responded with $R 300, 00 I came back with $R 150, 00 and she agreed. She stayed the night and fucked and BB sucked me. Then I got an hour massage and then she fucked me again in the morning before she left. And she was a newbie. Only 18 years old and said that she's only been working for 3 months and is not a regular. She has a regular job in Rio and just goes to Copa when she needs to make ends meet. I saw her ID, born in March of 1992. Great tight body and a great fuck.

I reccommend that you guys try this tactic.[/QUOTE]I tell all my amigos to do this, I call it the after hours discount rack. Girls would rather go home for 1/2 price than no price. Some you can work down to a 1/3 price like this. They ask for 300, you say 100 but I'll give you 50 more (plus cab) if we like each other and you stay the night.

A couple of days ago when the rain was so bad and 1/2 the bar was gone I tried the ultimate challenge. I sat at a table with two cuties, spoke for one minute, asked how much for both, they replied 300 and I said, "how about zero. You come back to my apt., we listen to music, drink for free, and if we end up in bed I'll give you R100 each plus taxi. " I thought they would LOFL but in 2 seconds they said OK! When we got back to apt. I had the groove for one, told the other to leave and gave her taxi fare, then kept the other for the night and morning. That was the best I've done with a newbie and now it's now become my new terms. If all of do this it could become the new trend.

So I've been here for one month now and here's a quick report.

- The weather sux in October, it changes from nice to crap every other day and there are barely any Cariocas on the beach.

- They are adding a new Kiosk and a huge concession area for the 2014 Worldcup touristas on the west end of Copacabana, to the left and right of where Help was (R. Djama Ulrich & Meguel Lemos), so the charm of the open beach is evaporating into tourist traps.

- Balcony Bar is a circus like never before. The other night I saw a guy get cracked in the head with a beer bottle by some chica he apparently disrespected and blood came flowing out of the gash in his head like a waterfall. I walked over to his table after I saw nobody really doing anything and said, "put ice in a towel and apply to his head", to which the guy replied, "ice, ice, baby (ala vanilla ice). So he was definitely feeling nice and probably feeling no pain.

- The discount rack is still open at Balcony well past midnight, see my other post. So don't give these girls what they're asking, they're dreamers. If you see a girl you like at 10-12pm just watch her leave with the newbie who gives her what she wished for and an hour later you'll see her come right back while the dude is crashed out from the first good lay of his life! All the newbie guys come and go in 15 minutes and the girls come back. It's funny to watch.

- The rumors of 35% Trannies at Balcony are false, false, false. Maybe 5% if that but they are easy to spot and harmless. One I saw was so more beautiful than 99% of the chica's I've ever seen in Brasil. Long legs with a tribal tattoo, perfect ass (not too big, not to small), huge ta ta's, and a beautiful smile. I was so impressed I had to ask her, "no disrepeche, voce tranvestite", and in a deep voice she/he replied, "yes". So there is one confirmed TV.

- The girls are leaches and piranha, trust none of them. What you do with one is told to everyone else the next day (if not minute). They are faster than the Internet. I knew this before, from four prior trips, but competition has gotten so fierce that after you go with a girl she assumes to be yours the rest of your trip. I saw a newbie I showed around being played like a Stradivarius. It was terrible. And no matter what I told him he wouldn't believe me, until his final day.

- I showed two newbies Quatro por Quatro, which I haven't been to in 2 years, and it was terrible (for the benefit of doubt, it could have been a bad night). Barely any good girls, bouncers watching your every move (for what reason I have no idea), but I must say excellent service from the chica I was with. Then I proceeded to leave w/the guys and the bouncers had the nerve to ask us for a tip. We just walked away.

-Crime is down, there are less people sleeping on the streets, no poor kids running around asking for money, and I feel safer here than most of New York.

I'll report back end of next month because I have a feeling the crop of talent is going to improve. At least I'm hoping. Right now I'm just taking in the great food, happy people, and circus like sites around "Copa Loca" (as I like to call it).

[QUOTE=Hughdad]
The hotel is probably closing to be renovated for the 2014 World Cup and 2016 Olympics. There are actually major investments being made in the hotel and hospitality sector throughout Brazil.

[/QUOTE]


Wow, talk about two different stories! I just got the exact opposite story that you got! The people that I know say there are major players who want to invest milions into hotels and shopping malls, but they cant do it because of the corruption that permeates everything in Brasil. They told me that there are arabic companies that have been trying to purchase huge parcels of land in barra but there are so many sheisty real estate agencies that have fake "official" documents, they have to turn down the deals. It would take an army of lawyers and years of time to be able to figure out to really owns land in brasil.

Where are all these new hotels and shopping areas being built and who is putting up the money behind it? The people I know, work specificaly in the real estate business, so I trust what they say. It would be interesting to hear your 2 cents on this.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Wow, talk about two different stories! I just got the exact opposite story that you got! The people that I know say there are major players who want to invest milions into hotels and shopping malls, but they cant do it because of the corruption that permeates everything in Brasil. They told me that there are arabic companies that have been trying to purchase huge parcels of land in barra but there are so many sheisty real estate agencies that have fake "official" documents, they have to turn down the deals. It would take an army of lawyers and years of time to be able to figure out to really owns land in brasil.

Where are all these new hotels and shopping areas being built and who is putting up the money behind it? The people I know, work specificaly in the real estate business, so I trust what they say. It would be interesting to hear your 2 cents on this.[/QUOTE]

This is nonsense. Brazil will build at least 10 new hotels, just in Barra, before the olympics. There will be massive hotel development in other parts of Rio.
Your Arabs, by the way, which country do they come from which is less corrupt than Brazil???

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Do you really think Rio and Brazil give a shit about mongers? What mongers spend in Brazil is a drop in the bucket in terms of the overall economy. Sure some low-life apartment and bar owners might take a financial hit - but the country is going through permanent changes. I have been securing business deals with companies that are finally making the plunge in Brazil after years of watching from the sidelines. They say the conditions are finally right.

The hotel is probably closing to be renovated for the 2014 World Cup and 2016 Olympics. There are actually major investments being made in the hotel and hospitality sector throughout Brazil.

The way things are going, mongers may find the US cheaper than Rio in the near future. I was just in Vegas and even on a Halloween weekend that town is dead. Empty malls, shopping centers and office parks. Foreclosures everywhere. Casinos are slow and they are giving away rooms and food. Of course, the women in the US will never give the level of service as in Brazil.

I'll be back in Brazil starting mid-November for 3 months after being in the states for the past 2 months. Can't wait. Very depressing in the U.S. now.[/QUOTE]
Correct on all counts Hughdad. For anybody who has recently been inside the Othon Palace, it really needs a facelift.

I am in the early planning stages of my post divorce trip. The ink isn't even dry on the judgement, but my plans are in motion for a mid-March jaunt. I was strongly considering Thailand, but I love nothing more than a perfect ass so Rio won the battle.

I copied the post from a few months back because it is the only one that really gave me any hope...to land a "regular" woman or at the very least a part time worker. I guess I hoped to find someone similar to my Sosua experience where I picked up a smoking hot cutie and fucked for days without even the slightest mention of money. In the end, I did give her roughly $200 but it was unsolicited.

Let me state that I don't/won't ever judge anyone, but I'm not attracted to pro's. Also, the thought of dfk with a girl that has done the same with a few guys back to back doesn't sit well with me. I guess I'm weird because I like for women to at least appear to be strongly attracted to me and not just after my money. If I decide to go to Rio afterall, I will nit visit any termas. If my luck is running low and my passion high, I will order room service from an escort agency.

To the point...I am in my mid-thirties and I get a lot of attention from women wherever I go. I'm in great shape, I got a nice face, some charm, and I earn a nice living. Maybe I'm concerned about gambling my ego, but my goal is to meet a regular girl and perhaps establish a connection. No, I'm not looking for love, but I'm seeking that level of passion that rarely happens in the states. The US women are such lame fucks! Tis the reason for my divorce...LOL

Maybe when I'm in my fifties I will happy from the simple thrill of being with a young hottie, but I'm not there yet. Just mere thought of the hunt gets me excited. I want to know where the upscale brasillians eat, sleep, party, and relax! ;-)

Please somebody HELP. The recent posts has really depressed me! Is there any hope?



[QUOTE=Jake993]Thanks guys - it was fun to write. I got a "woodie" just thinking about my little "garota da sannduiche" again.

Admittedly, I have not been to Rio since HELP! closed and I am very curious to feel the difference (if any) from a mongering perspective. What I have noticed is a chance in the tone of the reports on this forum regarding Rio. Is it just me or do any of you also notice a difference? What I don't see as much as these days are some of the wild ass reports that we used to see from the pure "sex tourists".

A few more thoughts regarding my earlier post, like in most cultures, the upper class girls have a lot more to lose if they are "outed" as being GDP or even just as being "slutty". They have a certain social status and want to protect it. If they live in Zona Sul, the LAST thing one of these girls need is for word to get out that she is fucking a gringo for fear that they will be under suspicion for being a WG. But that doesn't mean they don't like to fuck and that doesn't mean they don't like to fuck gringos.

I know a business colleague from NYC who come to Rio about 4 times a year. He has a GF who runs a small art gallery in Copa. Clearly upper class, has money, married w/ 2 kids, smoking hot body and screws my buddy's brains out usually once a trip. In the middle of the day she arrives at the hotel dolled up like Bridget Bardot with an art folio under her arm. She strolls into the Marriott or Fasano like she owns the place, goes up to the front desk and asks which room Sr. Jim is in and to call and announce her arrival. Then she goes up and they "look at art". Shya - right.

According to Jim, she is an animal when it comes to sex who loves to do all sorts or naughty things (use your imagination) that her husband won't do. They have even met up in SP and I think once in Buzios (but they almost got caught by a friend of hers).

So what are we talking about here? She's having an affair with Jim. No big deal. Happens all the time. Frankly, I think that's a goal for all of us. Sure he buys art from her, but he loves art and would do so either way. He certainly doesn't pay her apart from hotel expenses. But I am sure he might bring her a gift once on a while. I have a similar arrangement with a Real Estate broker in Moscow and it's great. I'm also banging a 22 year old art student in Moscow. she certainly is not a pro. However, I stuff some cash in her purse when she's in the head. She's a student and she needs it. No need to embarrass her.

Here's my point - in addition to bagging GDP and hitting the Termas (nothing wrong with either), take your game up a notch and strike up a flirtatious relationship with a bar girl, the receptionist at the hotel, the attendant at the gym, or a shop girl. See where it goes. Call it a "project". You may be surprised at what happens when you just relax and treat them like normal women. Once she is relaxed and comfortable with you, it's only a matter of time until that hot Latin blood starts to boil and nature takes over. After all, they are Brazilian!!!

I dunno, maybe I am just getting old (52) and lazy, but IMHO this is more fun and adds a different dimension to the mongering scene.

Like the guy in the Dos Equis commerical says, "Stay thirsty my friends"[/QUOTE]

A Brazilian politician receives the 3 following quotes for a new bridge.

US Company $2 billion
UK Company $2.5 billion
Brazilian Company $4 billion.

The Brazilian politician wants to give it to the Brazilian company but is puzzled by the price, hence gives the contractor a call.

Brazilian Politician: “why are you so expensive, the US company can do it for $2 billion, the UK company can do it for $2.5 billion, why are you quoting $4 billion.

Brazilian Contractor: “well that’s easy, there is $1 billion for me, $1 billion for you and then we need to pay the US company $2 billion to build the damn bridge.

Brazilian Politician: "ok then its settled, contract goes to the Brazilian company".

[QUOTE=Beach Star]This is nonsense. Brazil will build at least 10 new hotels, just in Barra, before the olympics. There will be massive hotel development in other parts of Rio.
Your Arabs, by the way, which country do they come from which is less corrupt than Brazil???[/QUOTE]


You must have missed my question. I asked WHERE in Bara? WHERE in rio is all this new developement happening? I am looking for actual details like street addresses.

Not saying you are wrong, but my thoughts are "What the hell will happen to those 10 new hotels after the Olympics?!" It will costs hundreds of millions to build 10 new hotels in Barra, They cant possibly make enough money in the short few weeks of the Olympics to cover the cost of building the hotel. Plus, there is no way in hell tourism will suport that many hotels in barra after the games are over.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Wow, talk about two different stories! I just got the exact opposite story that you got! The people that I know say there are major players who want to invest milions into hotels and shopping malls, but they can't do it because of the corruption that permeates everything in Brasil. They told me that there are arabic companies that have been trying to purchase huge parcels of land in barra but there are so many sheisty real estate agencies that have fake "official" documents, they have to turn down the deals. It would take an army of lawyers and years of time to be able to figure out to really owns land in brasil.

Where are all these new hotels and shopping areas being built and who is putting up the money behind it? The people I know, work specificaly in the real estate business, so I trust what they say. It would be interesting to hear your 2 cents on this.[/QUOTE]Tons of investments and development all over Brazil. Not sure about your isolated deal with the Barra land deal example, or what may come of the Orthon hotel specifically. I was at Nordeste Invest conference in Natal earlier this year and tons of business was being transacted. I am in the middle of a number of real estate, development and investment dealings. Yes, there is a real need to have someone knowledgable you trust involved in the dealings. But investors want into this marketplace. All over Brazil.

[QUOTE=Bravo]You must have missed my question. I asked WHERE in Bara? WHERE in Rio is all this new developement happening? I am looking for actual details like street addresses.

Not saying you are wrong, but my thoughts are "What the hell will happen to those 10 new hotels after the Olympics?! " It will costs hundreds of millions to build 10 new hotels in Barra, They can't possibly make enough money in the short few weeks of the Olympics to cover the cost of building the hotel. Plus, there is no way in hell tourism will suport that many hotels in barra after the games are over.[/QUOTE]Many countries spend small fortunes redeveloping a city for the Olympic games. It is a a showcase for Brazil (coupled with the 2014 World Cup). Many of the sports venues will be converted to facilities for citizens. And Brazil is aiming at dramatically growing tourism into the country (not just mongers!) The country will change dramatically. Many old timers here can't accept thta. Hell, my lady does not accepot it because she heard it all before. Different now.

Guys - with everything I am reading on the forum I guess it apparent that it's not worth heading down to Rio. I have heard that it has not been the same since Help has closed. Need to find a new international spot. I am gonna miss my days there, its a shame.

Johnny B

[QUOTE=Always Horny #2]
No, I'm not looking for love, but I'm seeking that level of passion that rarely happens in the states. The US women are such lame fucks! Tis the reason for my divorce...LOL
[/QUOTE]

Try dating a US woman with lower socio-economic status than yourself, like you would probably be doing in Brasil. An urban retail worker or small town girl. Small town girls in the US are just as much fun as favela girls and will look up to you in the same way. If you have stylish clothes and seem successful and worldly, as you probably are, you'd be the alpha male in most small towns. The grass is always greener... I've never heard any Brasilian colleagues bragging about their passionate wives, they keep mistresses and when the mistress is being a 'lame fuck' too, they hit up the termas/casas for strange T&A just like the gringos. Except that whenever I've gone to a puta club with married Brasilian guys, they are like kids in the candy store, moreso than the married gringos..big smiles and talking about it for days!

[red]JohnnyBlazze[/red]

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Rio isn't/wasn't all about Help or even the greater Zona Sul scene. Check my last Rio reports from late June/Early July. Other than Pattaya, Angeles City or Jakarta I am not sure else where I could have possibly had so much affordable fun. 7 days, 21 girls, tons of memories and not much money. And it's so easy in Rio: transit, girls, food, attractions.

[QUOTE=Bravo]"What the hell will happen to those 10 new hotels after the Olympics?!" It will costs hundreds of millions to build 10 new hotels in Barra, They cant possibly make enough money in the short few weeks of the Olympics to cover the cost of building the hotel. Plus, there is no way in hell tourism will suport that many hotels in barra after the games are over.[/QUOTE]Exactly the same situation as Beijing - post the Olympics there is a huge over supply of 5 star hotel rooms - throw in GFC and the hotels are all fighting each other for market share - wonderful scenario for the traveller.

[QUOTE=Musze3000]BB -- I'm so glad you are back around; learned so much from you and I have to give up all credit to you for me being a Rio expert now! My boys and I first trip was back in 2007 and it revolved around your guide. My Buddy even made a mini movie with all our pictures and the beginning is dedicated to you; you will have to see it one day, funny ass s**t!!

Regards,

Musze3000[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that, sorry I replied late, thought I did but the post never went through.

[QUOTE=Always Horny #2]

... Let me state that I don't/won't ever judge anyone, but I'm not attracted to pro's. ...

... To the point...I am in my mid-thirties and I get a lot of attention from women wherever I go. I'm in great shape, I got a nice face, some charm, and I earn a nice living. Maybe I'm concerned about gambling my ego, but my goal is to meet a regular girl and perhaps establish a connection. No, I'm not looking for love, but I'm seeking that level of passion that rarely happens in the states ...

... Maybe when I'm in my fifties I will happy from the simple thrill of being with a young hottie, but I'm not there yet. Just mere thought of the hunt gets me excited. I want to know where the upscale brasillians eat, sleep, party, and relax! ;-)

Please somebody HELP. The recent posts has really depressed me! Is there any hope?[/QUOTE]

I like to mix it up myself.
I enjoy the non-pro girlfriend for hangin out, exploring together, dinners, the love, etc.
The pros are nice to add a little variety to life, try out a different cereal (ie Billy Crystal, City Slickers) :)

I would say the most important quality in being able to jive with the non-pros is your ability to communicate.
I'm assuming you speak good Portuguese, because your looks, charm and nice living aren't gonna get ya far with non-pros if you can't really mix it up with 'em.

Also, IMO, because of the rep of the sex-tourist in Rio, and the possible subsequent connotation of a girl hanging with a gringo (western guy), especially with one who doesn't speak the language, I find it much easier to meet and date non-pros in Sao Paulo where the sex-tourist is not near as prevalent.

I've had good success there (SP) myself, however, the traffic is horrible and there is no beach within walking distance.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Always Horny #2]I am in the early planning stages of my post divorce trip. The ink isn't even dry on the judgement, but my plans are in motion for a mid-March jaunt. I was strongly considering Thailand, but I love nothing more than a perfect ass so Rio won the battle.

I copied the post from a few months back because it is the only one that really gave me any hope. To land a "regular" woman or at the very least a part time worker. I guess I hoped to find someone similar to my Sosua experience where I picked up a smoking hot cutie and fucked for days without even the slightest mention of money. In the end, I did give her roughly $200 but it was unsolicited.

Let me state that I don't/won't ever judge anyone, but I'm not attracted to pro's. Also, the thought of dfk with a girl that has done the same with a few guys back to back doesn't sit well with me. I guess I'm weird because I like for women to at least appear to be strongly attracted to me and not just after my money. If I decide to go to Rio afterall, I will nit visit any termas. If my luck is running low and my passion high, I will order room service from an escort agency.

To the point. I am in my mid-thirties and I get a lot of attention from women wherever I go. I'm in great shape, I got a nice face, some charm, and I earn a nice living. Maybe I'm concerned about gambling my ego, but my goal is to meet a regular girl and perhaps establish a connection. No, I'm not looking for love, but I'm seeking that level of passion that rarely happens in the states. The US women are such lame fucks! Tis the reason for my divorce. LOL

Maybe when I'm in my fifties I will happy from the simple thrill of being with a young hottie, but I'm not there yet. Just mere thought of the hunt gets me excited. I want to know where the upscale brasillians eat, sleep, party, and relax!

Please somebody HELP. The recent posts has really depressed me! Is there any hope?[/QUOTE]2 things:

1) do you speak Portuguese? If not. Good luck

2) All the "HELP" you seek is contained past archival posts here. Go back and read them. There is even a section about non-pros.

I am in a long term relationship in Brazil now. She moved into my home in Brazil (together with a friend which is working out great). Without knowing any Portuguese. I would not have been able to date her and develop a relationship. I would cook for her and we would talk over dinner.

Do guys meet regular ladies and have short term non-paying flings? Yes, rarely, but I would say that speaking Portuguese is a must on top of your great looks.

And you can get great passion in a paid session. Amazing how you can just meet someone and spend a few hours with them and they can give you a great GFE experience, and then you can have another with someone else a half hour later.

And not all US women suck. There are always great opportunities everywhere. Don't generalize.

I am just updating my guide. Just wondering if anyone has been to the following places. I intend to visit them all but would like some input before going. Anyone been and can say it is decent or a train wreck?

Avenida Nossa Senhora de Copacabana nº 583 (street number)

Sala 203 Price - ?
Sale 204 Price - ?
Sala 209 Price - ?

Rua Tonelero, nº 169. Copacabana. (Copa Massagem). 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price R$ ?

Rua Toneleros nº 171 (near Siquiera Campos). Copacabana. 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price – ?

Rua Toneleros nº 173 (near Siquiera Campos). Copacabana. 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price – ?

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Try dating a US woman with lower socio-economic status than yourself, like you would probably be doing in Brasil. An urban retail worker or small town girl.[/QUOTE]
I find this to be good advice. I quit mongering six months ago after a simple, uncomplicated woman befriended me at one of the dating sites. Never had consistently better loving with low expectations, i.e. respect for my complicated status.
It's easy to dream about finding a foreign woman but linguistic and cultural difficulties often sour a relationship before it matures. While I wish the OP luck in Brazil -- or somewhere else -- I would not ignore the possibilities of finding someone in the U.S.
The so-called sex prison is nicknamed that because we are willing prisoners by not considering the thousands and thousands of good women looking for good guys like us. Interestingly, many of the candidates seem to be employed in health care-related jobs. They can suck and fuck as well as Filipino nursing students, take my word for that.

[QUOTE=Always Horny #2]To the point...I am in my mid-thirties and I get a lot of attention from women wherever I go. I'm in great shape, I got a nice face, some charm, and I earn a nice living. Maybe I'm concerned about gambling my ego, but my goal is to meet a regular girl and perhaps establish a connection. No, I'm not looking for love, but I'm seeking that level of passion that rarely happens in the states. The US women are such lame fucks! Tis the reason for my divorce...LOL

Maybe when I'm in my fifties I will happy from the simple thrill of being with a young hottie, but I'm not there yet. Just mere thought of the hunt gets me excited. I want to know where the upscale brasillians eat, sleep, party, and relax! ;-) [/QUOTE]You're targeting the wrong country. Upscale brasileiras have very little respect for foreign mongers, and a very very high opinion of their fellow countrymen. In Brasil, girls have already tons of good-looking, sporty, fun and wealthy (and sometimes filthy rich) horny brasilian guys, with who they share the same cultural interests, waiting in line at their feet begging to please them. They don't need "never to be seen again after their 10 days sex holidays" gringos. For middle to upper-class brasilian girls, a sex-hungry gringo is about at the same level than a cockroach. Of course, you will be able to fuck lower class girls, but they won't fuck you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.

This is the huge difference with FSU, where dyevuskas, and especially the most learned and worldly, jump on any occasion to fuck a decent looking,witty and well-travelled foreigner. Contrarily to brasileiras, fucking their fellow countrymen is a chore FSU dyevs have to do, not something they particularly enjoy. And they are much wilder. I personally score more non-pros during one week in Chisinau or Tashkent than during two monthes in Goiania, Rio or wherever in Brasil.

The reason why there's so many Russian (or Ukrainian, Belarus, ect) top-level women available is simple. So many FSU men are just gopniks - sort of white trash. Gopniks are uncultured, badly dressed, broke, violent, dumb, stupid, they drink and smoke in the corridors of their Soviet housing blocks. The reality in this part of the world (contrarily to Brasil) is that the "eligible male" to female ratio is maybe something like 1:10. And the farther away you get from the big cities cosmopolitan bowels the more gopnik the guys get. In fact it's a wonder that provincial FSU women don't throw themselves at ANY foreigner.

Honestly, if you are decent looking and have a bit of game and of cash, better you go East.

Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it and I LISTEN.

Perhaps, I was just a tad misunderstood. I know that my quest might be quite difficult, but for my sick pleasure nothing provides more fulfillment than the victory in battle. It is me against the hardcore pro's. I really hate those *****s. Given the exorbitant amounts paid and then receive sub par service is unacceptable!

Look, I know the game all to well. Women will basically do what you allow them to do. Act like a chump and you will get treated like one. I guess it doesn't matter to you volume guys, but I ALWAYS prefer quality over quantity. I may not exceed 3 women in my two weeks in Rio, but you better believe that I am not going to settle for some piranha!

The sex is always more passionate when you treat women with respect and show genuine interest. We all have different goals. I like going to nice dinners, dancing etc. with the company of a woman. I'm flying solo and I am going to need to do something other than drink and ogle chicks. Why not learn a little culture and maybe create a memorable experience along the way?

Yes, I've been busting my ass to get as comfortable as I possibly can speaking Portugese. I have almost five more months before my trip so hopefully I will gain a decent vocabulary. I understand that you can only sit and smile at each other for so long...LOL I am trying to be as realistic as possible about my odds.

Basically, I wanted to get an idea of the current atmosphere. I assume that I will be able to shag at least a semi-pro or part-timer. I would be terribly disappointed if I only ran into hardcore putas. There is a difference. Plus, it lessens my chances that I will be lapping up the previous guys jism.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Do you really think Rio and Brazil give a shit about mongers? What mongers spend in Brazil is a drop in the bucket in terms of the overall economy. Sure some low-life apartment and bar owners might take a financial hit - but the country is going through permanent changes. I have been securing business deals with companies that are finally making the plunge in Brazil after years of watching from the sidelines. They say the conditions are finally right.[/QUOTE]Funny how some people can't differentiate between one corner and an entire country.

I asked this question on the Carnival Forum, but nobody replied there (that Forum seems dead, at least at this time). And than again, I admit, it is a silly question...

Well, my question was about Rio, so let me ask it here as well. I have a chance of visiting Rio during the Carnival; yet I do not have to go during that time, can find some other time to visit. I would like someone who is familiar with Rio and its Carnival tell me: is it worth trying to visit during the Carnival? I would like to meet the girls, of course. Will it be more difficult at that time? Is everything much more expensive and more difficult? Is the Carnival REALLY special, or just a lot of niusance?

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I am just updating my guide. Just wondering if anyone has been to the following places. I intend to visit them all but would like some input before going. Anyone been and can say it is decent or a train wreck?

Avenida Nossa Senhora de Copacabana nº 583 (street number)

Sala 203 Price - ?
Sale 204 Price - ?
Sala 209 Price - ?

Rua Tonelero, nº 169. Copacabana. (Copa Massagem). 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price R$ ?

Rua Toneleros nº 171 (near Siquiera Campos). Copacabana. 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price – ?

Rua Toneleros nº 173 (near Siquiera Campos). Copacabana. 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price – ?[/QUOTE]

Bubba, my apartment is actually in 583 av ns copa. I'll check all these out for you in 2 weeks. You can imagine I'm looking forward to coming down to 2nd floor in my robe, directly from my apt.

[QUOTE=Potemkin]I asked this question on the Carnival Forum, but nobody replied there (that Forum seems dead, at least at this time). And than again, I admit, it is a silly question.

Well, my question was about Rio, so let me ask it here as well. I have a chance of visiting Rio during the Carnival; yet I do not have to go during that time, can find some other time to visit. I would like someone who is familiar with Rio and its Carnival tell me: is it worth trying to visit during the Carnival? I would like to meet the girls, of course. Will it be more difficult at that time? Is everything much more expensive and more difficult? Is the Carnival REALLY special, or just a lot of niusance?[/QUOTE]You're right, you are silly to ask a question that has been discussed at length in these forums. Don't be lazy, go through them and read them.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Funny how some people can't differentiate between one corner and an entire country.[/QUOTE]Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here. But some mongers like to romantize about their importance in Brazil.

Mongers contribute every little to the overall economy. A pitence. I spend 6 months a year in Brazil (mostly Rio, SP and my home city). It has become increasingly difficult to book hotel rooms, domestic flights and buses. I need to book further in advance. I see more and more foreigners in hotels and airports. And I am actually involved with a company that is expanding its' charter flight business taking Brazilians to foreign destinations. There are more and more opportunities inside the country everyday. And once the majority of Brazilians themselves come to accept this as fact, then things will take off even more. Some guys are acting as if they are going to run the Olympics on top of Rio as it exists now. Major changes underway.

[QUOTE=Always Horny #2]Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it and I LISTEN.

Perhaps, I was just a tad misunderstood. I know that my quest might be quite difficult, but for my sick pleasure nothing provides more fulfillment than the victory in battle. It is me against the hardcore pro's. I really hate those *****s. Given the exorbitant amounts paid and then receive sub par service is unacceptable!

Look, I know the game all to well. Women will basically do what you allow them to do. Act like a chump and you will get treated like one. I guess it doesn't matter to you volume guys, but I ALWAYS prefer quality over quantity. I may not exceed 3 women in my two weeks in Rio, but you better believe that I am not going to settle for some piranha!

The sex is always more passionate when you treat women with respect and show genuine interest. We all have different goals. I like going to nice dinners, dancing etc. with the company of a woman. I'm flying solo and I am going to need to do something other than drink and ogle chicks. Why not learn a little culture and maybe create a memorable experience along the way?

Yes, I've been busting my ass to get as comfortable as I possibly can speaking Portugese. I have almost five more months before my trip so hopefully I will gain a decent vocabulary. I understand that you can only sit and smile at each other for so long...LOL I am trying to be as realistic as possible about my odds.

Basically, I wanted to get an idea of the current atmosphere. I assume that I will be able to shag at least a semi-pro or part-timer. I would be terribly disappointed if I only ran into hardcore putas. There is a difference. Plus, it lessens my chances that I will be lapping up the previous guys jism.[/QUOTE]If you are looking at wining, dining and dancing your way into a woman's heart - why not stay in the states (Vegas or elsewhere). Lots of women looking for love there. You'll have a lot more in common with them. I understand you are going through a divorce and hate US women (because you are probably projecting they all have the same personality traits as your soon to be ex). But they are a lot of woman in the US looking for an escape from their everyday woes. And contrary to your belief that all US women suck, there are many great ladies there.

Vegas has 13% unemployment, and 1 in 4 homes are in foreclosure. Lots of women looking for some loving diversions with plenty of time on their hands. And restaurants, clubs, rooms and events are really cheap 5 or 6 nights every week. I have a friend that lives there and he is cleaning up.

[QUOTE=Potemkin]I asked this question on the Carnival Forum, but nobody replied there (that Forum seems dead, at least at this time). And than again, I admit, it is a silly question...

Well, my question was about Rio, so let me ask it here as well. I have a chance of visiting Rio during the Carnival; yet I do not have to go during that time, can find some other time to visit. I would like someone who is familiar with Rio and its Carnival tell me: is it worth trying to visit during the Carnival? I would like to meet the girls, of course. Will it be more difficult at that time? Is everything much more expensive and more difficult? Is the Carnival REALLY special, or just a lot of niusance?[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you want to just visit Rio but you are not necessarily interested in Carnaval. If this is the case then I think you answered all of your own questions already. IMHO the best time to go to Rio if you're not interested in Carnaval and the parades then go 1 to several weeks before Carnaval when most of the girls who will be in Rio for Carnaval are already there and most of the tourists are not.

[QUOTE=Hughdad] And contrary to your belief that all US women suck, there are many great ladies there.

Vegas has 13% unemployment, and 1 in 4 homes are in foreclosure. Lots of women looking for some loving diversions with plenty of time on their hands. And restaurants, clubs, rooms and events are really cheap 5 or 6 nights every week. I have a friend that lives there and he is cleaning up.[/QUOTE]I know you are probably trying to be positive, but really, most US woman suck. Most are materialistic,(especially in relative terms to foreign ladies) selfish, much harder to please, far more demanding, and unfeminine thanks to the feminism that has ruined woman in this country. Go to vegas and all you get are STUCK UP bitches who think they are too good for most guys and just are nothing more than cock teases. NO thanks. Its not impossible to hook up in vegas, but its highly unlikely. Woman are mostly there to feed their egos. My buddies and I have met woman in vegas, but have yet to score on a trip to vegas. We are good looking guys too. Some guys score, most guys dont. Go to most foreign countries and MOST guys score. Nuff said.

I'm entertained by this thread about finding a relationship after a divorce. I've come to realize that no matter how intense the sex, easygoing or passionate (or whatever floats my boat at the moment) the woman, I grow tired of the sex in any relationship after a couple of years, max. For me, the mongering is the fulfillment of my innate need for variety and excitement. My wife is quite pretty and her looks and body beat many of the Pros I go after where I live or where I travel. I just can't get excited for her more often than once a week or maybe even less. Someone told me a joke supposedly in a Chris Rock bit: "Show me the hottest wife in the world, and I'll show you a dude who's tired of fuckin' her!"

I do enjoy her company and won't divorce her because I don't need a replacement, I just need to augment my sex life. So, I find ways to spend time in AMPs, go to Rio, Fortaleza, etc. My advice? Keep many loving ST relationships, and you will enjoy life more. Maybe get married when you're 65 or older and need a hot young thing to take care of you =)

[QUOTE=Vittu]I find this to be good advice. I quit mongering six months ago after a simple, uncomplicated woman befriended me at one of the dating sites. Never had consistently better loving with low expectations, i.e. respect for my complicated status.
It's easy to dream about finding a foreign woman but linguistic and cultural difficulties often sour a relationship before it matures. While I wish the OP luck in Brazil -- or somewhere else -- I would not ignore the possibilities of finding someone in the U.S.
The so-called sex prison is nicknamed that because we are willing prisoners by not considering the thousands and thousands of good women looking for good guys like us. Interestingly, many of the candidates seem to be employed in health care-related jobs. They can suck and fuck as well as Filipino nursing students, take my word for that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]I'm entertained by this thread about finding a relationship after a divorce. I've come to realize that no matter how intense the sex, easygoing or passionate (or whatever floats my boat at the moment) the woman, I grow tired of the sex in any relationship after a couple of years, max. For me, the mongering is the fulfillment of my innate need for variety and excitement. My wife is quite pretty and her looks and body beat many of the Pros I go after where I live or where I travel. I just can't get excited for her more often than once a week or maybe even less. Someone told me a joke supposedly in a Chris Rock bit: "Show me the hottest wife in the world, and I'll show you a dude who's tired of fuckin' her!"

I do enjoy her company and won't divorce her because I don't need a replacement, I just need to augment my sex life. So, I find ways to spend time in AMPs, go to Rio, Fortaleza, etc. My advice? Keep many loving ST relationships, and you will enjoy life more. Maybe get married when you're 65 or older and need a hot young thing to take care of you =)[/QUOTE]


Excellent advice.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]I'm entertained by this thread about finding a relationship after a divorce. I've come to realize that no matter how intense the sex, easygoing or passionate (or whatever floats my boat at the moment) the woman, I grow tired of the sex in any relationship after a couple of years, max. For me, the mongering is the fulfillment of my innate need for variety and excitement. My wife is quite pretty and her looks and body beat many of the Pros I go after where I live or where I travel. I just can't get excited for her more often than once a week or maybe even less. Someone told me a joke supposedly in a Chris Rock bit: "Show me the hottest wife in the world, and I'll show you a dude who's tired of fuckin' her!"

I do enjoy her company and won't divorce her because I don't need a replacement, I just need to augment my sex life. So, I find ways to spend time in AMPs, go to Rio, Fortaleza, etc. My advice? Keep many loving ST relationships, and you will enjoy life more. Maybe get married when you're 65 or older and need a hot young thing to take care of you =)[/QUOTE]

Well damn, sure glad I'm not the only one who feels like this!!! :)
GREAT post!!

[QUOTE=Steve55]I know you are probably trying to be positive, but really, most US woman suck. Most are materialistic,(especially in relative terms to foreign ladies) selfish, much harder to please, far more demanding, and unfeminine thanks to the feminism that has ruined woman in this country. Go to vegas and all you get are STUCK UP bitches who think they are too good for most guys and just are nothing more than cock teases. NO thanks. Its not impossible to hook up in vegas, but its highly unlikely. Woman are mostly there to feed their egos. My buddies and I have met woman in vegas, but have yet to score on a trip to vegas. We are good looking guys too. Some guys score, most guys dont. Go to most foreign countries and MOST guys score. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]Get off the Vegas strip and hit the 1,000's of locals bars and smaller properties. You'll meet lots of available women who live in Vegas. I went out with him (he lives in Henderson) and it was a great vibe, lots of available ladies and he was scoring (and he is just an average guy with a great rap and personality). And, no, most US women don't suck. Most US guys (and I am one) are real selfish, egotistical dicks. Acknowledge that, and understand most US women are starting from that perspective and you can be successful with ladies in the US. Humor, kindness and confidence. And, yeah, most guys score in foreign countries, but have to pay for the trip and the sex. Most casual mongers don't get free sex on their sex vacations.

Wow, so many assumptions on this board. Sorry, but I don't get excited by dirty tramps that see more than five guys a day. IMHO, it is nasty and dangerous! I left my wife because we never connected the way I desire. Been with my ex for 16 years...at a very early age. A relationship is the LAST thing on my mind. I am enjoying life and doing everything I always wanted to do.

BTW, I just left Vegas two months ago. I shagged a wealthy woman from the NW and the sex was lame! The first night I met six different women and every single time the cock clocked, so I chose someone a little bit more mature. It was great conversation, but lacked passion. I don't go to Vegas to buy pussy.

My problem these days is that my interest doesn't last after the third encounter with any woman. I have always fantasized about sex with a hot Brazilian woman. Any slum can go there and throw money around. I'd rather challenge myself and have her ass wide open both figuratively and literally. I don't care how fine she is...I'm not thinking about making a love connection.

Damn, let me do things my way! It is not about money either. I am not cheap. I spend freely on women if she properly fuels my ego. I will properly spend more over the course of a day on a non pro than than guys drop at Centarus. I feel I got plenty of years left before it is all about money. Im willing to put forth the effort to find a gem.

In closing, I looked in the photo gallery. I was rarely impressed! I'm not coming all the way to Brazil for some average, out of shape, used up piece of ass. I wonder about some if the guys grading scale. I can't wait to post my trip and pics. I will succeed!

[QUOTE=Always Horny #2]Wow, so many assumptions on this board. Sorry, but I don't get excited by dirty tramps that see more than five guys a day. IMHO, it is nasty and dangerous! I left my wife because we never connected the way I desire. Been with my ex for 16 years...at a very early age. A relationship is the LAST thing on my mind. I am enjoying life and doing everything I always wanted to do.

BTW, I just left Vegas two months ago. I shagged a wealthy woman from the NW and the sex was lame! The first night I met six different women and every single time the cock clocked, so I chose someone a little bit more mature. It was great conversation, but lacked passion. I don't go to Vegas to buy pussy.

My problem these days is that my interest doesn't last after the third encounter with any woman. I have always fantasized about sex with a hot Brazilian woman. Any slum can go there and throw money around. I'd rather challenge myself and have her ass wide open both figuratively and literally. I don't care how fine she is...I'm not thinking about making a love connection.

Damn, let me do things my way! It is not about money either. I am not cheap. I spend freely on women if she properly fuels my ego. I will properly spend more over the course of a day on a non pro than than guys drop at Centarus. I feel I got plenty of years left before it is all about money. Im willing to put forth the effort to find a gem.

In closing, I looked in the photo gallery. I was rarely impressed! I'm not coming all the way to Brazil for some average, out of shape, used up piece of ass. I wonder about some if the guys grading scale. I can't wait to post my trip and pics. I will succeed![/QUOTE]

You seem like a truly amazing guy ... do yourself a favor and learn the language ... you'll be even more amazing.
Hard to charm a girl with Kindergarten portuguese.

Have fun!!

I'll be back in Rio in late February and I'm wondering if Centro casas and clubs are typically crowded with tourists at that time. I've never been to Rio during February before, so don't know what to expect.

June apartment traffic was pretty heavy this year compared with last year at the same time. Last year you could walk into any of the apartments at 2 pm and get your pick from any of the girls. This year, at 2 pm it wasn't uncommon for all girls to still be busy..so I'm a little concerned about coming during February high time and wondering if I should just plan to spend a night at 4x4 and then go try BsAs or something.

On another note. Lots of you guys are knowledgeable about MDE. Can someone PM me and point me to the equivalent of Sperto's list for MDE casas? I see a list and a series of photo maps, but the info looks possibly out of date. My schedule opened up for some hobbying, so I am about to book a trip to San Jose CR for the week after next simply because I can't get a firm grasp on the logistics and pricing of MDE. It's the most confusing thread that I've found on this board..I'm looking for the MDE equivalent of Ibis Centro in Rio or Mercure Hayam Wuruk in JKT. Just a place in the epicenter where there are a lot of nice cheap full service MP's within walking or short riding distance.

Arrived in Rio yesterday and heard from gringo management that whereas prior to the demise of Help, when 85% of their clientele was black usa, now their units are being rented primarily to 'families' and europeans. The present economy appears to be pricing out the bottom of the market. On the Continental flight over, the majority of passengers were Brazilian nationals (and would have been higher % if not for the 'oil patch trash'). Haven't seen this since the eary '90s. Looking forward to this one for the first time in a while.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]I'll be back in Rio in late February and I'm wondering if Centro casas and clubs are typically crowded with tourists at that time. I've never been to Rio during February before, so don't know what to expect.[/QUOTE]
Could be a lot of locals working in centro, but not many tourists.
I prefer visiting the casas around 11 AM, before the lunch rush.

P.S What is MDE?

[QUOTE=Sperto]Could be a lot of locals working in centro, but not many tourists.
I prefer visiting the casas around 11 AM, before the lunch rush.

P.S What is MDE?[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Sperto. It's good to know. I always want to hit the casas early, but those naughty Club Florida girls typically keep me occupied till 3 or 4 in the morning, I write reports and post pics, and then I'm sleeping too late to hit the casas early. It's a vicious cycle.

MDE is Medellin. I was going to go there and see what all the hype is about. I was looking at prices across Lima, Asuncion, BsAs. What I see is highly variable service, covered BJ's (sacrilege) and prices that aren't much lower than Rio Centro. MDE seems to be the only decent alternative in this part of the world. With Latin America mongering going up in price all the time, at some point people in Europe will say screw this and just go camp out at the Partytreffs in Germany instead of going to South America. Unfortunately I live on the other side of the pond and our 'Anti-Sex League' doesn't allow such hedonistic places..

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Arrived in Rio yesterday and heard from gringo management that whereas prior to the demise of Help, when 85% of their clientele was black usa, now their units are being rented primarily to 'families' and europeans. The present economy appears to be pricing out the bottom of the market. On the Continental flight over, the majority of passengers were Brazilian nationals (and would have been higher % if not for the 'oil patch trash'). Haven't seen this since the eary '90s. Looking forward to this one for the first time in a while.[/QUOTE]
As someone who travels to Rio multiple times per year I strongly object to your characterization of the oil rig guys who are there every 28 days as "oil patch trash." My experience has been that they are clean, quiet, respectful and usually sleep most of the flight. Also, I have learned a lot more from them than from your typical ignorant American traveler.

I, m in Rio for 4 weeks. Mainly work but with a few free days and free evenings. Time to do a bit of exploring off the usual monger trail.

With the rising costs in Rio there has been some interest on the forum in visiting the other centro termas apart from the "premier division" ones (eg 4x4, Cancun, T65). Last night I paid a visit to Termas 502 and here are my observations to help others who may be interested in going. I hope that this helps prepare 502-newbies for a visit so at least you know what to expect when you go in.

I had been to 502 before, a couple of times several years ago, when I had the pleasure/privilege of spending a couple of hours with Darlene, who sadly appears to have retired from the termas now. It appears that 502 used to be bunda heaven with Darlene, Soraya, Sumara and Aninha (and maybe Aaliyah?) all having worked there at some point in the early to mid "naughties". This time at 502 I didn't indulge but I stayed for about an hour and half to soak up the atmosphere and scope out the talent – I always try to last at least an hour in a termas even if I don't end up sessioning (although sometimes it is just not possible!), just in case my dream girl had just been snapped up for an hour just before I walked in. It also gives you time to size up the vibe, talk to a few girls and watch how they interact with others to scope out possibilities. Last night and tonight is Halloween with some girls dressed up in skeleton-type bikinis (with bones up the front that glowed in the dark) and wearing pointy witches hats. Some girls just had skimpy bikinis (well what little bits of material covering their "bits") which glowed in the dark.

1) Location

502 is on Rua Alfandega, just off Rio Branco. I found the easiest way to get to it is from the Urugaiana Metro station: take the Presidente Vargas exit from the subway, once on the main road Vargas (which straight ahead of you on exit) turn right and walk down Vargas until you reach Rio Branco, turn right again and R. Alfandega is about 25 yards on the right. 502 is the first building on the left in R. Alfandega. It will take you a couple of minutes to get there. You can also get to 502 by walking straight out of Urugaiana and heading to Av. Rio Branco and then turning left but this means walking down a less well-lit and less-busy street after dark. Also, if you don't like the idea of being around Urugaiana after dark you can get off the metro at Carioca, turn left on exit and walk down the main street until you reach Alfandega, this will probably take you 10 minutes as you have to cross a couple of main roads. I arrived at 8 and left at 9. 30 and there were plenty of people still around the streets on the way home from work. I've not walked around this area later than 10-11 pm but others have provided advice in the forum about being around Centro late at night.

2) Getting in and getting started

You have to walk up quite a step set of stairs to get to the entrance desk, the guy at the bottom of the stairs will stare at you to size you up as you walk in, the guy at the top of the stairs will give you a cost-card which is filled in with your drinks and any sessions you have. You don't need to check in at the front desk, but you pay here on the way out. You don't change into a robe here, you walk in the bar straight off the street. Entrance is R$20 which includes three free beers. I've not had more than 3 drinks here so I don't know how much the drinks actually cost. I didn't check the costs of the sessions but I believe it is R$140 for an hour. You can also session for 20 or 40 minutes. You give the barman your card t be marked for drinks and any sessions will also be marked on the card. You pay on the way out.

3) The termas itself

Basically it is one long room with seats and tables down the sides and a bar at the opposite end to the way in. The music (Brazilian, MPB, some hip-hop) was very loud which makes conversation difficult and if you are tall like me, the flashing lights seem to be almost at eye level which can be quite blinding. Nobody was smoking in the bar. There are a couple of small stages with poles and whilst I was there girls got up and gave dances lasting 5-10 minutes (depending on the interest that they get) moving from clothed (I. E. A skimpy bikini) to naked. The dances appeared to be on the hour. They did seem to allow some touching and interaction as they danced, I didn't do any of this but it seemed like touching some areas was ok (butt, legs, arms, back) but others were not (pussy), the girls would indicate to the guys whether they had crossed some line or rule about touching. One girl did stop dancing and walk off after a guy leaned in and shouted something up her ass (what's that about? I saw that happen a couple of times, a guy leans in and yells something up their ass?). I watched a few girls dance and it seems like you have to initiate any interaction. You can sit down on the seats on the side to scope out the scene but a lot of guys stand up on the floor which means that you can get blocked in from seeing/talking to the girls as they walk by. This time I didn't session but I seem to remember from two years ago that the rooms were adequate but not palatial, the room that I had contained a sex chair as well as a bed which made for some interesting positions! You walk back to the entrance and then through another door to reach the cabines. I may go back there tomorrow night and if I session I can describe the cabine. The room was not packed but pretty busy. I would estimate something like 20 girls and 50-60 guys in the bar. Definitely many more guys than girls. The guys all looked like locals to me and were a range of ages, some dressed like they had just come off the beach (T shirt, shorts) and others lie they had just come from work (suits). The atmosphere was pretty neutral/friendly, I didn't get any "what is the gringo doing here" stares.

4) The girls (the really important bit)

Finally, I hear you say, he's finally got onto the critical bit. As I said, 502 in the past appears to have had a reputation for big bundas (based on forum comments), which as a bunda-boy was appealing to me. There were some present last night but most girls were on the skinny side, nevertheless they still manage to extract every jiggle and wobble out of their arses when they shake them! I spoke to 5 girls whilst I was there – my Porto is not great but I can hold a basic conversation and ask the important questions. It is difficult to talk below a shout in the room due to the noise level, so I couldn't pick up any names.

In my opinion most of the girls are not at the top end of the scale which you are more likely to find in the top termas but there were a couple of very pretty girls. At the other end of the scale there was one that looked like a bloke in drag to me, but she (I'm assuming she was a she, I didn't talk to her) worked the room hard and seemed to be getting some attention, bless her. There are a range of ethnicities and body shapes there but most girls there last night were of African or mixed (Mulatta)heritage but there were also some latina-looking and branca there as well (I hope that sentence doesn't offend, I'm basically trying to say that the mix was mainly black with some other ethnicities as well). Quite a few of the girls are on the slim-side but with lovely asses. Most of the girls looked natural to me, though there was one girl (who looked familiar – maybe done porno) with a couple of silicon hemispherical bolt-ons. There were a few 'curvy' types for those of you like a bit more meat and several big bundas on show. I prefer a girl whose thighs are as wide as her shoulders and whose arse finally arrives a couple of seconds after she does, so I tended to focus my attention on them. There were a couple of those present. I spoke to two extremely pretty and slim girls, another one who was curvy and cute but had a piercing on her face which looked like a big zit and was a little offputting and two with bunda grande. One of these popozuda beauties was a girl who looked a bit like Joyce Oliveira with a big butt (I couldn't catch her name but she was pretty flat chested so I am pretty sure that it wasn't her) and there was another latina loira who had a bunda that approached Darlene-levels although not quite as big – wide in the thigh and a perky gravity-defying popozuda (she is 21 so it hasn't started to get too flabby or head south yet). She was the only girl that I would have sessioned with but she turned out to have a bad attitude. When I sat down to talk to her, she was sitting in a sulk and not really wanting to talk at all. What I managed to get out of her was that her name sounded like Polly/Pony/Tony? (I asked her 3 times but couldn't hear with the noise and she looked pissed off as I kept asking her to repeat). She was a bit drunk and was sulking as she had been there for 2 hours and had not sessioned yet. Talking to her was difficult and she just wanted to sulk rather than talk and in the end she just got up and walked off! A shame as she could have been the girl I sessioned with if she had been a bit happier and interactive. I may drop by tonight, if nothing works out at another termas and try talking to her again.

As I said, to my eyes the quality of the girls covered a range from very pretty to less so and to be honest, I've seen a similar range of beauty in top end Centro termas (4x4, Cancun). Perhaps there are more mid-range and less top-end compared to 4x4 or L'uomo but it was as good a range as I saw on my last visit to Cancun.

5) So what are the differences between 502 and the top-end Termas?

The first and obvious big difference between 502 and somewhere like 4x4 or L'uomo is in how the girls interact with you. They tended to work their way round the room, stopping to talk to guys who reached out to them to give them a hug or a kiss or grab their butt, before moving on. Some girls did spend long periods of time talking to the same guy or group of guys but they may have been their regulars? The girls that I spoke to didn't indulge in much small talk. Perhaps it was because of my limited Porto and none of them spoke any English. But they also tended to move on quickly when talking to locals as well. The conversation moved quickly from greetings (Hi, swap names, do you want some company?) to "do you want to fuck? " in a matter of minutes. If the answer was "not right now", "maybe later" or anything other than "yes" then they didn't stick around and would move on. This is in contrast to my last visits to 502 a couple of years ago, when I had several girls sit and talk to me for 15+ minutes although I had visited in the early evening when it was quieter with fewer guys present. It may be that this time with a room full of guys they were trying to maximise their success rate by moving on quickly to the next guy/possibility. It may be a little unfair to say this, but it seemed that a lot guys were there to drink beer and ogle/grope girls and this seems to rub off on the girls' attitudes (mind you ogling was what I ended up doing! Although I did go in with the intention of sessioning).

Secondly, girls don't tend to come up to you and start a conversation, so you have to take the initiative (I had 3 girls come up to me in 1. 5 hours). If you are sitting on the side, they may come up and loiter in front of you, adjusting their clothing to show off their assets whilst preening in the mirror, but few of them try to make eye contact with you unlike at places like 4x4, L'uomo and Cancun. If they walk past you on the floor they may brush past you but they don't linger. You have to make the first move, even making eye contact with them as they walk past won't attract them over as most of the guys are staring at tits and ass as it walks by, so how do they know that you want them to come over? I noticed that most guys reach out and BRIEFLY grab flesh – arm, back, or mainly butt – to get the girl's attention. If you sit and wait for action, you will sit and wait a very long time!

Thirdly, there doesn't seem to be much small talk or kissing/cuddling going on in the bar – if you think it will be like 4x4 or L'uomo where some gata will sit with you for 20+ minutes, let you grope her and will be sticking her tongue down your throat within a couple of minutes, think again. Like I said, it is more business-like. "Hi", "you want to fuck? ", "lets go". It may be that I caught it on a busy night but there didn't seem to be the atmosphere or opportunity for relaxing foreplay to scope out the girl before deciding.

Fourthly, the obvious big difference is the price, a one hour session in 502 will cost you R$160 (20 entrance/3 drinks plus 140 session) compared to R$270 at 4x4 after 5pm when you don't get the entrance waived (50 entrance + 220 session).

In conclusion, I hope that this info is useful for anybody who is thinking about venturing beyond the normal Centro termas visited by us gringos (4x4, Cancun, T65). Bear in mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so the best thing to do is to go there and check it out yourself: entrance is cheap and includes 3 drinks. You may find a gem, or your ideal type, however, if nothing takes your fancy then have a couple of beers before heading off to 4x4, at least you get to eye pussy and bunda whilst drinking!

I'm here for 4 weeks with work, so I'll try out some of the other Centro termas (maybe MV30, T61, T31, T81, Florida. We'll see), it gives me something to do in the evenings (!) and report back.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]

... On another note. Lots of you guys are knowledgeable about MDE. Can someone PM me and point me to the equivalent of Sperto's list for MDE casas? I see a list and a series of photo maps, but the info looks possibly out of date. My schedule opened up for some hobbying, so I am about to book a trip to San Jose CR for the week after next ...[/QUOTE]

Here's a link for the 'Medellin List":
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=983310&postcount=509[/url]

The list is pretty current.
For the casas on the list, pay attention to the casas listed under Villa Nueva 1 and 2.
One of the Villa Nueva lists is for one side of the main street, Oriental and the other Villa Nueva list is for the other side of the street.

All within walking distance of eachother in el Central.
There are always guys out on that main street and around, handing out cards for new or established casas.

Prices are inexpensive at about $20-30 US for an hour, quality depends on your luck, it varies.

IMHO, Medellin is much better than San Jose, CR, and less expensive.
For a first timer, consider staying at the Medellin Mansion or now called the Casa Blanca 1 or the lower key affililiated Casa Blanca 2.
Invaluable information available there from the staff and fellow guys staying there, especially for a new guy there.

I know Medellin and all of Colombia very well, and I dig it, however, since discovering Brasil about 4-5 years ago, I prefer Brasil, though Colombia is generally cheaper and closer to the US.

Have fun!!

[QUOTE=Ricker]Here's a link for the 'Medellin List":
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=983310&postcount=509[/url]

The list is pretty current.
For the casas on the list, pay attention to the casas listed under Villa Nueva 1 and 2.
One of the Villa Nueva lists is for one side of the main street, Oriental and the other Villa Nueva list is for the other side of the street.

All within walking distance of eachother in el Central.
There are always guys out on that main street and around, handing out cards for new or established casas.

Prices are inexpensive at about $20-30 US for an hour, quality depends on your luck, it varies.

IMHO, Medellin is much better than San Jose, CR, and less expensive.
For a first timer, consider staying at the Medellin Mansion or now called the Casa Blanca 1 or the lower key affililiated Casa Blanca 2.
Invaluable information available there from the staff and fellow guys staying there, especially for a new guy there.

I know Medellin and all of Colombia very well, and I dig it, however, since discovering Brasil about 4-5 years ago, I prefer Brasil, though Colombia is generally cheaper and closer to the US.

Have fun!![/QUOTE]

I have been to Medellin a number of times, pretty much agree with all of the above. One more thing, it is quite safe now. The rep it had, in that it was dangerous, was justified 15 years ago when Pablo Escobar literally owned Medellin. Now totally different. Probably safer than Rio and a hell of a lot cleaner and efficient.

[QUOTE=Steve55]I know you are probably trying to be positive, but really, most US woman suck. Most are materialistic,(especially in relative terms to foreign ladies) selfish, much harder to please, far more demanding, and unfeminine thanks to the feminism that has ruined woman in this country. Go to vegas and all you get are STUCK UP bitches who think they are too good for most guys and just are nothing more than cock teases. NO thanks. Its not impossible to hook up in vegas, but its highly unlikely. Woman are mostly there to feed their egos. My buddies and I have met woman in vegas, but have yet to score on a trip to vegas. We are good looking guys too. Some guys score, most guys dont. Go to most foreign countries and MOST guys score. Nuff said.[/QUOTE]Most guys score in foreign countries by paying for it. My firend lives in Henderson suburb of Vegas. We went out to bars where the locals go and he was scoring just fine. He is average looking but is a funny dude with lots of confidence. Most US women don't suck. Many come off sounding like they hate men, because most US men are dickweeds. But spend a short breaking through that with humor, confidence and manners and you are on your way. With your attitude, I can see why you would never be able to score with readily available US ladies. "Nuff said."

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Arrived in Rio yesterday and heard from gringo management that whereas prior to the demise of Help, when 85% of their clientele was black usa, now their units are being rented primarily to 'families' and europeans. The present economy appears to be pricing out the bottom of the market. On the Continental flight over, the majority of passengers were Brazilian nationals (and would have been higher % if not for the 'oil patch trash'). Haven't seen this since the eary '90s. Looking forward to this one for the first time in a while.[/QUOTE]When flying back and forth from Houston I shared many flights with oil rig workers. Hard working guys, but they really look down on Brazilians. Very red neck attitudes and they don't hide their prejudices.

[QUOTE=Always Horny #2]Wow, so many assumptions on this board. Sorry, but I don't get excited by dirty tramps that see more than five guys a day. IMHO, it is nasty and dangerous! I left my wife because we never connected the way I desire. Been with my ex for 16 years...at a very early age. A relationship is the LAST thing on my mind. I am enjoying life and doing everything I always wanted to do.

BTW, I just left Vegas two months ago. I shagged a wealthy woman from the NW and the sex was lame! The first night I met six different women and every single time the cock clocked, so I chose someone a little bit more mature. It was great conversation, but lacked passion. I don't go to Vegas to buy pussy.

My problem these days is that my interest doesn't last after the third encounter with any woman. I have always fantasized about sex with a hot Brazilian woman. Any slum can go there and throw money around. I'd rather challenge myself and have her ass wide open both figuratively and literally. I don't care how fine she is...I'm not thinking about making a love connection.

Damn, let me do things my way! It is not about money either. I am not cheap. I spend freely on women if she properly fuels my ego. I will properly spend more over the course of a day on a non pro than than guys drop at Centarus. I feel I got plenty of years left before it is all about money. Im willing to put forth the effort to find a gem.

In closing, I looked in the photo gallery. I was rarely impressed! I'm not coming all the way to Brazil for some average, out of shape, used up piece of ass. I wonder about some if the guys grading scale. I can't wait to post my trip and pics. I will succeed![/QUOTE]Go get 'em Sport. But just so you know, you are writing in a forum that is about paying for sex. There is a non-pro forum here too. But, I'm rooting for you. There are guys here that are successful in getting free sex and developing ongoing relationships. Portuguese is required.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]As someone who travels to Rio multiple times per year I strongly object to your characterization of the oil rig guys who are there every 28 days as "oil patch trash." My experience has been that they are clean, quiet, respectful and usually sleep most of the flight. Also, I have learned a lot more from them than from your typical ignorant American traveler.[/QUOTE]As someone who travels to Brazil multiple times per year, who cares. A Brazilian physician (female) in the next seat became engaged in conversation with one of these folk. Polite woman got treated to the full discourse of life upon the rig. While Brazilian children gaped in astonishment at the site of authentic American proletariat. Thanks to the anonymous Texan who shared with me the terminology. Hell, I'd nevah even been to the Lone Star State, much less seen the oil patch. Enjoy the learning.

Can anyone on the board tell me if L'Uomo, Centaurus, and the other termas' are open during Carnival? Thanks.

MCruddy

Staying in Ipanema and wondering where to get local GPD. I know all the spots in Copacabana (Balcony Bar, Pussycat, Franks, etc), but don't know of anything local in Ipanema. I know Centaurus is on the boarder with Ipanema, but looking for something last minute late in the night. Something like a Meia Petaca or any place to mix, mingle, and make a selection. Also, any SW's in Ipanema? Thanks.

MCruddy

[QUOTE=MCruddy]Staying in Ipanema and wondering where to get local GPD. I know all the spots in Copacabana (Balcony Bar, Pussycat, Franks, etc), but don't know of anything local in Ipanema. I know Centaurus is on the boarder with Ipanema, but looking for something last minute late in the night. Something like a Meia Petaca or any place to mix, mingle, and make a selection. Also, any SW's in Ipanema? Thanks.

MCruddy[/QUOTE]

Try Shenanigan's in Ipanema.
[url]http://www.shenanigans.com.br[/url]

[QUOTE=MCruddy]Can anyone on the board tell me if L'Uomo, Centaurus, and the other termas' are open during Carnival? Thanks.

MCruddy[/QUOTE]

All open except Sunday. Luomo is open on Sunday.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]
I'm here for 4 weeks with work, so I'll try out some of the other Centro termas (maybe MV30, T61, T31, T81, Florida. We'll see), it gives me something to do in the evenings (!) and report back.[/QUOTE]

Nice report!! It's all in the details.

Please check out Termas Black and White if you have time. I sessioned a B&W regular who was moonlighting at Florida on her day off a few months ago. Top GFE performer and she was insistent that I take her phone number and call. I thought to call or maybe ride to B&W to see if the entire crew is so good, but never got around to it. Pic is below, so you can see it wasn't looking like an Uruguaiana 210 staffer or anything, bleh. The place is off the beaten path for both tourists and safado Centro office workers, so I bet the girls actually have to work for the money there.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=135938[/url]

B&W was rumored to be right in a favela. Everyone talked about it off and on but no one reported on it. Now we have google streetview and can see that's it's not ghetto. It's on my list for the next trip, perhaps you should try. I can see from streetview that onibus 497 stops right in front of it.

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&rls=en&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Av.+Paris,+634+-+Bonsucesso,+Rio+de+Janeiro,+RJ&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=Pittsburgh,+PA+15209&cid=0,0,847867545747047952&ei=pOnUTMnDNsGblgeu7OT-CA&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQnwIwAA[/url]

When you go to Florida, look for a loira named Bella. This girl is crazy and you'll know her if you see her. She was barking like a dog when I fucked her doggystyle, doing all kind of crazy things, acting super hyper, rimming me, you name it. Same way the next night. Probably inhales all the money she earns before she even leaves the building, but I loved the results.

Thanks guys for the advice on MDE. I had to book for San Jose today instead because the MDE Avianca flights that I needed were already booked solid, but will be using your info as guide to the MDE thread resources and planning MDE for my next short trip. I've heard of the former Medellin mansion, i gather it's the South American answer to BKK Eden or Pattaya Hell Club. Sao Paulo could benefit from having a place like that. I'm surprised Brasil doesn't have guaranteed service clubs. Even the termas performance is all over the place. Ane at Luomo, last year.. no anal, tried CBJ, WTF...then Pietra at L'uomo, this year, took it up the ass for almost 30 minutes and then swallowed the fruits of her labor. Someone needs to enforce a standard at those price levels. I hear Hell Club has a money back guarantee to motivate the girls.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Nice report!! It's all in the details.[/QUOTE]

glad you liked it.. just trying to put something back into the forum having got a lot of help and information off it over the last couple of years

[/QUOTEpPuta Playa]Please check out Termas Black and White if you have time. ...[/QUOTE]

I will try to do so .. I'll probably leave it until my last week here ..

[/QUOTE=Puta Playa]When you go to Florida, look for a loira named Bella. This girl is crazy and you'll know her if you see her. She was barking like a dog when I fucked her doggystyle, doing all kind of crazy things, acting super hyper, rimming me, you name it. Same way the next night. Probably inhales all the money she earns before she even leaves the building, but I loved the results.[/QUOTE]Wow. Sounds like one to enjoy. She gets a mixed rating on gpguia. One report ends with "MUITO, MAS MUITO, MAS MUITO POSITIVO" and the other says "muito negativo", but I'm happy to take a punt on your recommendation. I'll try Florida next week. I won't be doing much this weekend as I have to catch up with my work having spent time on "extracurricular activities". Weekend seems the best time to do it with most places shut.

I'm renting an apartment on Av Prado Jr and, as you mentioned in one of your reports, there is a bar on the other side of the road from me where girls are still hanging out drinking round 0700. Some of them look a bit rough but there was an absolute stunner there this morning. On a whim for some quim (that's slang where come from for vagina), I tried to get over the road to talk to her as she left but with traffic I couldn't get across Prado and NS Copa before she had walked down the road and into Nikos. Damn. Mind you a Nikos girl, good looking and dressed well would probably want muito R$. She also saw me but kept walking so I gess she wasn't interested. They can't be starting that early in Nikos, maybe girls sleep over there between shifts?. Maybe I'll set the alarm a little earlier tomorrow and try to see who is out there after Balcony has closed down and having been unsuccessful is ending the night with a few beers at sun-up?

Although I set out last night to go to MV30/Aquarios (aka Termas 61), I ended up at 4x4. Since 502 were having a Halloween party, I thought maybe 4x4 might as well? Having heard that the parties at 4x4 are very good with lots of girls I thought I'd change my plans. No luck with a party, but I ended up with my Rio favourite. Lavinia, who was celebrating her last day at work before her 29th birthday on Sunday and was in party mood. Tall, big bunda, big boobs, big personality, good GFE, likes to DFK within seconds of meeting you, "loves" her job and makes sure that you enjoy it as much as she does. All I will say is that things got extremely hot and sweaty.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]I'm renting an apartment on Av Prado Jr and, as you mentioned in one of your reports, there is a bar on the other side of the road from me where girls are still hanging out drinking round 0700. Some of them look a bit rough but there was an absolute stunner there this morning.[/QUOTE]
Prado Junior isn't my cup of tea. However I often walk my GFs dog in the early morning, as he likes to watch putas he often brings me down on Prado Junior.
On Prado Junior there is one bar that is always open and has a lot of GPs drinking beer in the morning. A real hardcore bunch of oldies, drug-addicts and "women" with deep voices.

Be careful if you do an early morning-picking in that bar.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Prado Junior isn't my cup of tea. However I often walk my GFs dog in the early morning, as he likes to watch putas he often brings me down on Prado Junior.
On Prado Junior there is one bar that is always open and has a lot of GPs drinking beer in the morning. A real hardcore bunch of oldies, drug-addicts and "women" with deep voices.

Be careful if you do an early morning-picking in that bar.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up! The people who were there at 7 did look very rough, I thought an earlier visit might pick up some Balcony girls who were having a final beer before heading home. Checking the throat is always one of the first things I do!

. As it is, I have a cute Paulista who is sleeping in my bed. So I am planning for a Sunday morning lay-in.

As always Sperto, you are a source of very valuable information.

From the F1 website this morning.

---------direct copy and paste ----------


World champion Jenson Button escaped an attempted armed mugging as he and a party of friends left the Interlagos circuit in Sao Paulo on Saturday night.

Button, his father John, manager Richard Goddard and physio Mile Collier were approached while travelling by car from the track, where Button had earlier qualified 11th for the Brazilian Grand Prix. None of the party was hurt.

McLaren had provided both Button and team mate Lewis Hamilton with reinforced armoured vehicles driven by armed police drivers, who had been trained in avoidance techniques.

The driver of Button’s vehicle reacted swiftly and rapidly forced his way through the traffic, taking them quickly away from danger and back to the Hilton Hotel.

The Sao Paulo authorities also acted quickly and promised to provide additional security to transfer all of the topline drivers and team personnel to the track for Sunday's race.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]I, m in Rio for 4 weeks. Mainly work but with a few free days and free evenings. Time to do a bit of exploring off the usual monger trail.

With the rising costs in Rio there has been some interest on the forum in visiting the other centro termas apart from the "premier division" ones (eg 4x4, Cancun, T65). Last night I paid a visit to Termas 502 and here are my observations to help others who may be interested in going. I hope that this helps prepare 502-newbies for a visit so at least you know what to expect when you go in.[/quote]Excellent report man, I especially like your comment ".. whose arse finally arrives a couple of seconds after she does... ", classic.

Great write-up on 502 from Torgoch.

I was there again last night and thought I would try the larger Suite room for 1 hour. It was R$190 instead of R$120, not including entrance.

Room had a bigger shower, plus a sex-chair, nasty looking whirlpool tub, and a bigger bed. Best part was the framed instruction sheet for the sex-chair, which said something like "Instructions For Your Hour Of Pleasure."

I'd say there were 3-4 do-able girls (pretty) out of the lot of 20 or so, by my tastes. That's not a bad ratio for the price. After thinking on it a bit, I have concluded that generally what you are paying more for at the more expensive termas is slightly better facilities -- both in terms of perhaps a more comfortable boite / bar area, slightly better showers / toilets, and slightly better rooms. I know when I think about the facilities at 65 or Solarium, they're just a bit nicer (IMHO) than what I've seen at 502. So if that's worth it to you, then pay the higher price.

Personally, I enjoy a quieter bar area -- the main room at 502 is a bit too loud for me, and dark. I like the "smoking room" better, except for, well, all the smoking. That's why I like the bar areas at Solarium and 65 -- they just feel a bit more relaxed, well lit, fun. On the other hand, it's hard to be 502 pricing esp. if you get one of the 2-3 lookers.

Been in Rio now for about 3 weeks. I have to say I feel like the talent has gone and left. I have not been going to as many termas becase of the fx rate. but been hitting the massage places in centro and have to say most girls are just as good as the ones I have seen in Luomo. Last yr when I was in Luomo I always saw 2 girls that were amazing. This yr nothing really close to it. Some girls there were worse than low end massage places, I am really not sure who is picking them or why they work there. But if managment is even willing to give them a shot then that has to be a sign that there is less talet coming in.

I know there are guys that like big asses etc but some of this was just plain and simple sloppy fat. Not sure why you would pay 240 reals for that.

The massage places in teh centro are hit and miss. Had a really great session twice with a thin one. everyone has diff tastes so to each his own. in my experience the busier teh casa, the worse the expereince. when these grls know they have a million guys coming in its more like a transaction. these casas that only have 3-4 girls seem to be better in my opinion. like anything its ht or miss. at elast whne its not great u are only down 70-80 reals.

havnt checked out balcony yet think i will go tonight. not a big fan of bringing some girl i barely know to my apt. if after a while i get to know her maybe.

not sure if its the wealth effect but people just seem to be in general big and out of shape. i would say 75% of the girls on the beach could lose 20% easy. but maybe that s what they like here.

Bit of a shorter report than the last one on 502. If you don’t read any more of this report, at least read the next 2 words – DON’T BOTHER.

However, for completeness, here is some info and my impressions on the club. Note: I went on a Monday which is a notoriously quiet day for most Centro termas.

1) Location

Termas Aquarius is located at 61 Rua do Acre in the Centro region on the other side of Av. Presidente Vargas. I travelled from Copa and got off at Uruguaiana Metro station. There are two ways to get to it on foot. The most direct (and quickest) way is to exit the Metro and turn left to Vargas, cross over the road and carry on Uruguaiana until you come to a crossroads at the end (100 yards or so). Directly opposite you is Rua do Acre. Cross over the road, stay on the right hand side of Acre and the termas is a little way up the road on the right. If you want to walk on the larger, well-lit roads, head to Rio Branco, cross over Vargas and carry on down Branco until you come to R. Visco de Inhauma. Turn left here and this will bring you down to the crossroads I mentioned earlier, turning right will put you on R. Do Acre. Route 1 will take 5 minutes from the Metro if you don’t have to hang around for the traffic lights, the second route takes a bit longer. I was in the general area from 8pm until 11 pm. It was very busy with people at 8 and very quiet at 11 but I felt pretty safe walking around.

2) Getting in and getting started

The guy standing in the doorway will give you a numbered plastic card, go through the entrance and there is a reception desk immediately inside on the right in the entrance hall. Give her the card, she enters it on the computer and your drinks get charged to that account number. Entrance is R$20 and includes 2 free drinks (I don’t know how much extra drinks or garota drinks cost – I struggled to stay very long in the place as it was dead). You pay on the way out. You get a stamped receipt which you give to the guy on the door on the way out.

Prices aren’t advertised at reception but inside the girls told me that the cost of sessions are R$140 for 40 mins and R$170 for one hour. I don’t know what the rooms are like, none of the girls interested me and I struggled to stay there for as long as I did - 30 minutes just to get a feel for the layout and to drink my 2 drinks to get my money’s worth.

3) The termas itself

There are 2 bars in the termas – one is downstairs and you can see it straight ahead of you as you stand in the reception. It has a pool table, I didn’t go in there but I guess it doesn’t have a bar as I think the few people in there came upstairs to get drinks.

You will see the stairs leading up to the bar upstairs on the other side of the entrance hall, the door on the right at the top of the stairs leads into the main bar. This is a large room (much bigger than 4x4, slightly larger than 502) with sofa-cushioned seating and tables around the outside of the room. There is a sound desk on the left side of the room, a large stage with a pole in the centre on the other side of the room and the bar on the right hand side.

Show the barman your card when you order drinks and he adds them to your tab. The computer screen is up on the wall so you can see what he adds onto your account. Music was a mixture of some western-style pop plus (mainly) Brazilian accordion pop! Noise levels are ok.

4) The girls

What girls? I walked in and immediately thought “oh dear, I’ve just wasted R$20”. The place was dead (mind you I was there from 8pm to 8.30 pm). When I went in there were 4 girls and about 6 guys and about 8 girls and 10 guys when I left 30 minutes later. Girls were a mixture of 3 anorexic matchsticks, a chubby and 4 normal looking. Some of them were mid-range at best in my opinion and others looked a bit rough (or at least in need of feeding). Most of them looked pretty bored – it was early in the evening though. As I left, a group of 3 local young guys came in and 4 of the girls made a beeline for them.

One girl, a slim blond (who was the best looking one there IMO), came over and we chatted for 10 minutes or so. Friendly, didn’t try to push for a programma, from Petropolis. She said that the place is open mon-fri, 2 – 12, 10 girls on Monday and 18 girls (many garotas as she said!) on Fridays. Another girl, one of the anorexics came over for a brief chat, but as I was ready to go by then, we only exchanged greetings.

5) Conclusions.

DON’T BOTHER GUYS!!

PS: As it was still early, I went round the corner into MV30 on R. Mairink Veiga – this is a much better place, I stayed for 2 hours and will definitely go back there to session again this week. I’ll give a detailed report on MV30 later plus Bar 22 in Copa. I also plan to try out more of the 2nd division Centro termas this week.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]Aquarius - DON’T BOTHER GUYS!!

PS: As it was still early, I went round the corner into MV30 on R. Mairink Veiga – this is a much better place, I stayed for 2 hours and will definitely go back there to session again this week. I’ll give a detailed report on MV30 later plus Bar 22 in Copa. I also plan to try out more of the 2nd division Centro termas this week.[/QUOTE]I agree on what you have been saying. T 502 definitely worth it, MV 30 - sometimes good. Aquarius - horror show.

Give Terma 31 a try. It is just round the corner from MV 30. As you are leaving MV 30, take the first left and you will see it down 75yards on the left. Entrance is R$ 10 to R$ 15 depending on what theme they have on. Includes 3 beers, hence can't really go wrong. Girl fee of R$110 includes room and girl. Tues to Friday there are up to 25 girls on.

T31 - Rua Alcantara Machado 31 R$10-R$15(3beers)+R$110 (40mins)=Total R$125

Terma Americam Rua Visconde de Inhauma 105 R$10(2beers)+R$80(30mins)=Total R$90 also in the area sux right now. Horrow show!

Keep up the good research Torgoch.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Give Terma 31 a try.

T31 - Rua Alcantara Machado 31 R$10-R$15(3beers)+R$110 (40mins)=Total R$125

Terma Americam Rua Visconde de Inhauma 105 R$10(2beers)+R$80(30mins)=Total R$90 also in the area sux right now. Horrow show![/QUOTE]You must be able to read my mind as these were the two on tonight's list! Gpguia provided very favourable reports on two girls in America (bombom and Luana), so I think I'll give it a try .. if nothing else I can loosen up on a few beers and then head over to 31.

There were several girls in MV30 who appealed to me so I'll probably session there on friday when they are supposed to have 40+ girls working.

Im going to be in rio from december 29-jan 4. Im looking for a good hotel that is not too expensive to stay at while im in rio. I prefer for it to be on one of the beaches but am open if there are some good deals. Since its new years the prices are really high. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on where i can stay?? thanks

[QUOTE=Illini333]Im going to be in rio from december 29-jan 4. Im looking for a good hotel that is not too expensive to stay at while im in rio. I prefer for it to be on one of the beaches but am open if there are some good deals. Since its new years the prices are really high. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on where i can stay?? thanks[/QUOTE]I'd recommend an apartment. Much more affordable and likely more availability. I use rioapartmentrental dot com - lots of options, variety, liberal guest policy. Only thing I didn't like about them is that they require a $300USD security deposit on arrival, which seems excessive.

[QUOTE=Prosal]This is the huge difference with FSU, where dyevuskas, and especially the most learned and worldly, jump on any occasion to fuck a decent looking,witty and well-travelled foreigner. Contrarily to brasileiras, fucking their fellow countrymen is a chore FSU dyevs have to do, not something they particularly enjoy. And they are much wilder. I personally score more non-pros during one week in Chisinau or Tashkent than during two monthes in Goiania, Rio or wherever in Brasil.

The reason why there's so many Russian (or Ukrainian, Belarus, ect) top-level women available is simple. So many FSU men are just gopniks - sort of white trash. Gopniks are uncultured, badly dressed, broke, violent, dumb, stupid, they drink and smoke in the corridors of their Soviet housing blocks. The reality in this part of the world (contrarily to Brasil) is that the "eligible male" to female ratio is maybe something like 1:10. And the farther away you get from the big cities cosmopolitan bowels the more gopnik the guys get. In fact it's a wonder that provincial FSU women don't throw themselves at ANY foreigner.

Honestly, if you are decent looking and have a bit of game and of cash, better you go East.[/QUOTE]Substitute "french" for "russian/FSU". and, "frog" for "gopnik". then, you'll personally have things in perspective.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I agree on what you have been saying. T 502 definitely worth it, MV 30 - sometimes good. Aquarius - horror show.

Give Terma 31 a try.
T31 - Rua Alcantara Machado 31 R$10-R$15(3beers)+R$110 (40mins)=Total R$125

Terma Americam Rua Visconde de Inhauma 105 R$10(2beers)+R$80(30mins)=Total R$90 also in the area sux right now. Horrow show![/QUOTE]I tried T31 the other night. Initially I had planned to scope out America on Visconde de Inhauma, but I lost my bearings and couldn't find the place so I ended up going straight to T31.

I am afraid that I didn't stay very long in T31 so I don't have a detailed description of the place for any first timers who may want to try it. It was very loud (like 502) which made conversation difficult, quite a few guys outnumbering girls at least 2:1. There were maybe 15 girls on the night that I went (tuesday), but none that I would have considered. All mid-low range in my opinion but maybe there was just a bad selection on the day and time (around 8pm) that I went?

The entrance was R$10 and included 2 beers. Note the word "beers" may be important as I drank two bottles of water and they tried to charge me and R$8 on the way out. I explained that water was the same price as the beer (R$4) so why was I being charged extra? also other termas allowed you several free drinks with entrance be they beer, water or soda, so why not here? She said ok, but wrote some note on my drinks slip (I guess to explain why the till roll would be R$8 shorter than expected at the end of the night?).

I then went off to MV30 round the corner and met a delightful stunner called Renata (pretty, big natural tits, good sized but not huge bunda, excellent oral, completa). I'll probably go there again tonight and then post a report on MV30. I actually like the range of girsl in MV30 and its a little cheaper than 4x4.

As I'm staying in Copa, I thought I would check out the local night scene (over the last few days) and this has entailed going to Bar 22 and Balcony. I'm leaving L'uomo until my last week here – no need to report on there as it well reported on the forum. Bar 22 is a small bar/termas which I have been to several times now (once in 2009 and twice in 2010), so here are my observations and comments as a way of providing an introduction for anybody thinking of visiting somewhere off the well-trodden path on Copa. I always think it helps to have some background info so you can walk in and know hat to expect and how the system works.

A number of people have posted useful reports on Bar 22 (also known as Club Azulzinho on the Brazil forums) in Copacabana over the last 2 years – notably Slim Hole Drill (e. G. Report # 4047 in this section) and Puta Playa (e. G. Report # 4734) – so I would do a search of this forum to find out more from them. If you've never been to 22, then treat this as a 22 "101", if you've been before then here are the updated prices from those listed earlier in the year. Gpguia is not very helpful with only 3 reports on the place and the "latest" from back in 2009.

1) Location

Bar 22 is located a block from Av. Atlantica at 22 Siqueira Campos on the corner of a square called Praca Serzedelo Correia. Bar 22 is located above a very nice-looking bar called Boteco Cervada on the corner, however, the entrance is just around the corner and is the first door facing the square itself. There is not a lot to advertise its presence: there is an open door with stairs leading up, there is an awning over the door which has "22" written on it and, after dark, there is a light blue light on the stairs – hence the "azulzinho" name (which is also a name used for Viagra due to its light blue colour!). Puta Playa did post a photo of the bar taken in the day (sorry, I would provide the links to these various reports but I haven't got round to learning how to do that yet). If you go after dark then its location is obvious from the light blue light on the stairs. If you look on Bitchmaps for its location, it is in the wrong place as it is marked on the map as being on the opposite side of the road from the shopping mall where L'uomo is located further up on Siqueira Campos.

2) Getting in and getting started

I was told by one of the girls that the bar is open 6 days a week from 2 in the afternoon until 3 at night Monday. Friday and from 2 until midnight on Saturdays. Walk up the stairs. At the top there is a guy sitting a chair, when you reach him, the corridor turns to the right and immediately on your left is a little counter where the receptionist sits. She will ask you your name and write it down on a slip of paper which is a printed drinks order slip which will be marked for your drinks from the bar. There has been some debate on the forum about whether the non-locals who have gone into 22 have been ripped off and charged a "gringo tax". Previous reports from earlier in the year state that the entrance charge is R$12 (May & July 2010). I paid R$25 which I suspect includes a slight rise in all the prices (see prices for sessions below) which has been reflected in prices everywhere (Termas & Casas) and a slight gringo tax. Whatever the price is, it includes three free beers – I've never had more than 3 drinks here so I don't know what the charge is once you go over three beers, or if you drink spirits instead of beer. It has been suggested in a previous report (Slim Hole Drill, # 4047) that buying drinks for the girls was more expensive (R$15), maybe this was for something other than beer/soda?, as the girl I spoke to on Saturday got a coke and it was marked down on my drinks slip and I didn't pay any extra. On Saturday night I paid the entrance fee on the way in and as I didn't session I handed them my slip of the way out and walked down the stairs.

This is a bar not a classic high-end termas so you don't change into a robe here, you walk in the bar straight off the street. The entrance into the bar is opposite the reception (so on the right as you come off the stairs), although it was not immediately obvious and it wasn't signposted. To me, the most obvious route to take was straight ahead and I walked down the corridor into one of the cabines at the end of the corridor (luckily it was unoccupied) – so much for trying not to look like a gringo greenhorn!

When I asked one of the girls (Valery) inside about the prices for sessions, I was told that they were R$100 for 40minutes and R$125 for one hour. This is slight increase over those reported earlier by Slim Hole Drill (40 = R$95; 60 = R$115 in May 2010) and Puta Playa (40 = R$90 in July 2010), but I am guessing that this just reflects the general rise in prices in Rio over the last year. In addition, Slim Hole Drill has reported that they do offer 20 and 30 minute sessions but they don't seem to be mentioned unless you specifically ask, no doubt trying to extract the most bucks for the bang. Based on paying a slightly inflated price for entrance, I would talk to the girls inside about prices as I got the feeling that they were more straight up about pricing.

3) The bar itself

Well, if you haven't got the impression of what it's going to be like from the reception/entrance corridor (I. E. A little run down), then as soon as you work in the bar you will realise that this is not like any of the top- or mid-end termas in terms of decor and comfort. This is a functional, local bar with girls in skimpy outfits and rooms in which to do the deed. As you walk in, you will see that it is a smallish bar with a pool table (free) in the middle of the room and seats and tables (not fixed to the floor) around the outside. There is a small stage with a pole to the right on the opposite wall as you walk in although I've never seen anybody get up and dance there on my 3 visits. The bar is to the left as you walk in, order drinks from the bar and the guy will mark your drinks slip.

Everytime that I have been to Bar 22, the place has been very quiet. No more than 4/5 girls in the bar and 4-5 guys in the bar between 9 and 10 pm when I was there. Definitely catering to blue collar ground rather than businessmen and tourists. There was no smoking in the bar and a juke box in the corner blaring out pop hits that were a couple of years out of date. There is a small TV over the juke box that 2 years ago was playing porno but was switched off when I visited this year.

4) The girls

Unfortunately, it is difficult to provide detailed information here as every time I have been here there have never been more than 4 or 5 girls there. I've always gone on a Saturday night, which I expected to be busy and it has been quiet. I was told by one of the girls that there are more girls (she said "muitos" but didn't give a number) during the week. If you read the earlier reports it does sound as if things are busier, I. E. At least 10+ girls on a weekday. Garota quality is variable, again beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I would say that most of the girls were pretty rather than stunning. Most girls were quite friendly and treated the guys like friends rather than clients to be milked (both figuratively and literally). It seemed like the guys in the bar were regulars, out for a beer, only one guy sessioned whilst I was there. Unlike my impression of 502, where there was a lot of groping going on, there was none here in Bar 22. It may be that I have just been here on quiet nights, but the atmosphere was more chatty and cuddly with the occasional kiss. No making out like you see and do in places like L'uomo and 4x4. No groping like in 502. The girls didn't work the room or stand in front of you and preen to get your attention: to be honest with the size of the room and the number of people they would look like a bit of prat if they did those things. But, it was quiet when I have been there. Plenty of opportunities to interact like you would in a normal bar – the pool table was a focus of interest – it's free, so play games of pool with the girls. None of the girls appealed to me, except perhaps a cute blond called Valery.

I was surprised at the lack of almost any attempt to try to seal a deal by any of the girls, it was almost as they are not expecting to sessions with you (unlike the hard sell you get from some girls in the top termas).

5) So what are the differences between Bar 22 and the top-end Termas?

Firstly, and, well its blindingly obvious really, this looks like a small bar with rooms where locals go to drink beer, talk to girls, and occasionally session. It is not a high-end luxury termas. On the three times that I have been, it never seems to be crowded. Don't expect lots of girls and lots of stunners.

Secondly, how the girls interact with you is different to a high end termas, all were very natural, friendly and with no hard sell tactics.

Thirdly, although I didn't session, my accidental venture into one of the rooms suggested that they were functional rather than comfortable.

In conclusion, Try it out, why not? I found it a friendly place. If nothing else, you can use it as a cheap watering hole to get a few beers and chill before heading up to L'uomo further up on Siqueira Campos or walking round the corner to Monte Carlo on Hilario Gouveia for entertainment in a more upscale and expensive environment.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]In conclusion, Try it out, why not? I found it a friendly place. If nothing else, you can use it as a cheap watering hole to get a few beers and chill before heading up to L'uomo further up on Siqueira Campos or walking round the corner to Monte Carlo on Hilario Gouveia for entertainment in a more upscale and expensive environment.[/QUOTE]As a dark place with loud music, to sit and drink three cans of beer, #22 a little outpost of Centro located in Copa. 22 (what a coincidence) reales for entrada and your 3-pack. The owner (a cop reportedly) doesn't put much money back into his business. Don't want to think about what the rooms are like. Ok, so here's the tip for anyone interested in this type of establishment for their sex life: at 583 N.S Copa, sala 203 (I think thats the number) things close at 10 pm. Some of the girls walk over to #22 to continue the pursuit of a revenue-producing evening. Others will call it a day at 10 pm and do an off-site with you, if you don't mind being the last customer of a long day.

While torgoch was trying to find Terma America I was probably inside. There were maybe 10 girls, 3 were actually not bad. 1 was quite cute, mulatta, but was talking to some guy and I didn't really want to stay too long as fending off the less than attractive girls tends to get old quick. I would have definitely done the said cute mulatta if she as available. Damage was R$ 10 for 2 beers. It is a small place, hence some nights may have nothing while all you need is 1 cutie to appear and the place looks a lot better. Only downside was they allowed smoking in the club. I don't like this because apart from the breathing in smoke, ones clothes just stink for the rest of the night.


T31 - In regards to T31, they have this weird billing rule where you must specify whether you are going to drink soda/water or beer upon entry. Can't mix the 2 which is just weird.

Torgoch, if you are leaving MV 30, you need to turn right for 50 yards, then take first left and it is 100 yards down on the right. I know how you can get a little lost around this part of centro with all the little streets that look the same, I get lost all the time.

Torgoch -

Excellent field work again on Bar 22. I didn't even know it was there -- and it is RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from my office building. Wowza. And open til 3am for comfort on those long work-nights. I will have to check it out.

Thanks bud! Keep up the good reports!!

[QUOTE=Torgoch]
Puta Playa did post a photo of the bar taken in the day (sorry, I would provide the links to these various reports but I haven't got round to learning how to do that yet).
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Nightime, actually.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1045563&postcount=4698[/url]

[QUOTE=Torgoch]
I was told by one of the girls that the bar is open 6 days a week from 2 in the afternoon until 3 at night Monday. Friday and from 2 until midnight on Saturdays.
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The bar is open that long, but if it's not busy the girls leave around 11.
[QUOTE=Torgoch]
There has been some debate on the forum about whether the non-locals who have gone into 22 have been ripped off and charged a "gringo tax". Previous reports from earlier in the year state that the entrance charge is R$12 (May & July 2010). I paid R$25 which I suspect includes a slight rise in all the prices (see prices for sessions below) which has been reflected in prices everywhere (Termas & Casas) and a slight gringo tax.
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The prices are all over the place here. June last year, they charge me R12 entrance and R100/30. June this year I came in speaking Porto and they charged me R12 and only R90/40. A month later, Crazy Jim Wood reported R22 and 100/30. So there is no standard price and I'm willing to bet that you could get an 1 hr for 80 if you tried during a slow time.
[QUOTE=Torgoch]
To me, the most obvious route to take was straight ahead and I walked down the corridor into one of the cabines at the end of the corridor (luckily it was unoccupied) – so much for trying not to look like a gringo greenhorn!
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If you get the one on the left at the end, you can leave the window open for a cool breeze and people on the sidewalk below can hear the action. :)
[QUOTE=Torgoch]
I was told by one of the girls that there are more girls (she said "muitos" but didn't give a number) during the week. If you read the earlier reports it does sound as if things are busier, I. E. At least 10+ girls on a weekday.
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On bingo night, I've seen up to 12 girls and the place is packed. I'm not sure about the schedule for bingo nights. Girls could tell you.
[QUOTE=Torgoch]
Garota quality is variable, again beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I would say that most of the girls were pretty rather than stunning. Most girls were quite friendly and treated the guys like friends rather than clients to be milked (both figuratively and literally). It seemed like the guys in the bar were regulars, out for a beer, only one guy sessioned whilst I was there.
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You've captured the spirit of the place, spot on. Pretty rather than sexy.
[QUOTE=Torgoch]
I was surprised at the lack of almost any attempt to try to seal a deal by any of the girls, it was almost as they are not expecting to sessions with you (unlike the hard sell you get from some girls in the top termas).

although I didn't session, my accidental venture into one of the rooms suggested that they were functional rather than comfortable.
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Its possible to get excellent GFE sex with a pretty one in there. In late June I was going there everyday for rare BBFS to completion. The girl was passionate to say the least. Second best Rio girl I've had. A kisser who was going after DFK non-stop the whole time from door-close to door-open, except for shower and smoke time. If I pulled away, she'd come at me. Unfortunately I incurred the wrath of ISG-Rio for reporting traditional bareback sessions. She was a shortimer and reportedly isn't there anymore, and yes I'm clean. Hopefully she went back up to the favela and told her like-minded amigas to come down to 22 for easy cash as well. :)

Yes, function not comfort. The showers are cooold! My regular 22 puta from last trip would laugh at me because I was shivering. The water didn't bother her at all.

It's not for most people, cause it's really a dive. I noticed that people report on it once in a while, but hardly anyone actually sessions there. Compared with VM or Rua Ouvidor 130 Apt 707 it's really high class, though. :) I take the metro from Centro just to go there, drink 2 of the 3 beers, fuck for 40 min, give my third beer to a random local sitting in the bar, and ride straight back to Uruguaiana station.

I have been to Terma A'quarius in the past and I always had a good time in there and found a couple of stunners. What day did you go was it a Monay?
[QUOTE=Torgoch]Termas Aquarius[/QUOTE]

Went to Balcony first time last night. Got there around 8:30 which was too early but just wanted to hear some of the live music also. Place kinda reminds me of Newport in BA. It got prgressivley more crowded until around 11:30 when i left. I am sure some new girls would have come but I wasnt gonna wait the whole night.

In general I felt like the girl were more aggressive here vs. Newport in BA. also the quality was all over the place. There were some really scary old ones there. I would really like to know who takes these home.

Its harder to have friendly conversation becuase my portuguese is not great but I have decent spanish so was able to communicate ok. also some girl actually speak decent english.

I ended up taking this 22 nursing student. She had a cute utfit on more like what normal girl would wear. I kinda had the feeling she was gonna be real professional but I thought she was the best one I saw. I did see a cute blonde one who actually seemed more timid which in my experience is good but she said she had a kid, which just makes me nervous sometimes w the body.

The girl turned out to be ok, but felt kinda rushed and she prob was only in my apt for 45 mins. honestly I didnt want her to stay longer anyway. paid 100 reals and 10 for taxi. A lot of guys say they pay all night ut I really think u need to wait very late to get that so we are really talking 3-4 in the morning to 7-8. Not a fan of sleeing w one eye open anyway.

My main complaint was most seemed to want to get as many sessions in as possible in teh night. when i was in BA I felt like there was no rush and I was it for the night. Just creates a more rushed unfriendly atmosphere.

Earlier in teh night I was talking to this tall young girl. She has a bull nose ring. I would avoid her. She almost looked european but she was putting the hard sell, and she spoke really good english which kinda made me nervous. So i am like how much and she says 300 i am like too much then says 250. trying to keep the playful banter up I say sry too much i am traveling around teh world I cant pay that etc. so then continue the conversation and she just changed in a flash. she said "if you are not gonna fuck me then I dont want to talk to you, I am here to fuck not talk with you". I just walked away, no response. I think that was the most violent reaction in all my yrs of mongering. In my expereince the girls like when you treat them like human beings and act genuenly interested in them and ask questions. I am so glad I didnt pick her, it would have been horrendous.

In general I felt like the girls were very transacational oriented here. Dissapointing for me.

[QUOTE=Pana Nyc]I have been to Terma A'quarius in the past and I always had a good time in there and found a couple of stunners. What day did you go was it a Monay?[/QUOTE]I went on a Tuesday at around 8 pm.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I am just updating my guide. Just wondering if anyone has been to the following places. I intend to visit them all but would like some input before going. Anyone been and can say it is decent or a train wreck?

Avenida Nossa Senhora de Copacabana nº 583 (street number)

Sala 203 Price - ?
Sale 204 Price - ?
Sala 209 Price - ?

Rua Tonelero, nº 169. Copacabana. (Copa Massagem). 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price R$ ?

Rua Toneleros nº 171 (near Siquiera Campos). Copacabana. 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price – ?

Rua Toneleros nº 173 (near Siquiera Campos). Copacabana. 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price – ?[/QUOTE]

BB,
Here is a recent report I did on 173.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1072454#post1072454[/url]

Thanks for your guide -- very useful to say the least.

Very excellent report and captures the scene vividly. A few comments...
[QUOTE=Torgoch]
... It has been suggested in a previous report (Slim Hole Drill, # 4047) that buying drinks for the girls was more expensive (R$15), maybe this was for something other than beer/soda?, as the girl I spoke to on Saturday got a coke and it was marked down on my drinks slip and I didn't pay any extra.
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Exactly. Beer and softdrinks go against your 3 drinks, but anything else R15. Don't know what the beer/soda charge is if you run through your allotted 3. On the entrance fee, as I have said before, I expect they are trying to raise prices but I'll bet if you had just told them (in Portuguese) "Come on, I know it is R12" they would have looked at each other then and let you pay R12.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]
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When I asked one of the girls (Valery) inside about the prices for sessions, I was told that they were R$100 for 40minutes and R$125 for one hour. This is slight increase over those reported earlier by Slim Hole Drill (40 = R$95; 60 = R$115 in May 2010) and Puta Playa (40 = R$90 in July 2010), but I am guessing that this just reflects the general rise in prices in Rio over the last year. In addition, Slim Hole Drill has reported that they do offer 20 and 30 minute sessions but they don't seem to be mentioned unless you specifically ask, no doubt trying to extract the most bucks for the bang. Based on paying a slightly inflated price for entrance, I would talk to the girls inside about prices as I got the feeling that they were more straight up about pricing.
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You can definitely get 20 and 30 minute sessions. I usually go for 30 minutes just because it puts the girl in a better mood. To be honest, they are not very good with the clock here. Basically if you go for 20 or 30, that just means you get up soon after the session and leave. But I have had the management come and beat on the door when a good friend and I were taking too long, just talking. Anyway, who wants to stay in one of those rooms very long? This is not the Copacabana Palace.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]
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I was surprised at the lack of almost any attempt to try to seal a deal by any of the girls, it was almost as they are not expecting to sessions with you (unlike the hard sell you get from some girls in the top termas).
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I have also reported on this strange, lackadaisical attitude. As I said, I think it is because they don't expect to session. You will find, though, that when you become a repeat and they know you are game, they will turn it up a notch or two. I remember when Baihana was there, she would put the moves on big time. But even so, it is still less than say, L'uomo and Centauraus for sure.

[QUOTE=MCruddy]Staying in Ipanema and wondering where to get local GPD. I know all the spots in Copacabana (Balcony Bar, Pussycat, Franks, etc), but don't know of anything local in Ipanema. I know Centaurus is on the boarder with Ipanema, but looking for something last minute late in the night. Something like a Meia Petaca or any place to mix, mingle, and make a selection. Also, any SW's in Ipanema? Thanks.

MCruddy[/QUOTE]

Good luck. There is nothing reliable as far as I know. Some girls hang out on the beach around Cesar Park Hotel, on a good day. Late, you can go to some bars (I think somebody mentioned Shenanigans, but I never had any luck there). There are night clubs where the Copacabana girls go when it gets late. Melt and others have a mix of pros and non pros. And there is always Emporium, very late.

The best solution is jump on a bus and go to Copacabana. Or fork out the R450 for Centauras

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]Good luck. There is nothing reliable as far as I know. Some girls hang out on the beach around Cesar Park Hotel, on a good day. Late, you can go to some bars (I think somebody mentioned Shenanigans, but I never had any luck there). There are night clubs where the Copacabana girls go when it gets late. Melt and others have a mix of pros and non pros. And there is always Emporium, very late.

The best solution is jump on a bus and go to Copacabana. Or fork out the R450 for Centauras[/QUOTE]
If you want P4P, when you stay in Ipanema, take a bus to Balcony (or even better to VM).

No, there is no real GP-Bar in Ipanema. However there are plenty of bars in Ipanema, but nothing I would recommend to ho-mongers.

Shenanigans is nice for a portion of Kelly's fries with chilly, but not for mongering.
Emporium is good for rock and get pissed drinking beer in plastic cups. Emporium is suitable if you're young and don't speak Portuguese well (when the local piranhas recognize you and know that you're not a first-timer it's bye-bye to free pussy).

[QUOTE=Sperto]If you want P4P, when you stay in Ipanema, take a bus to Balcony (or even better to VM).
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I don't know about anyone else, but every time I exit a Rio bus, I feel that I have cheated death yet again. With the new metro stop in Ipanema you now can take the metro to Balcony (Cardeal Arcoverde).

[QUOTE=Sperto] when the local piranhas recognize you and know that you're not a first-timer it's bye-bye to free pussy.[/QUOTE]And Hello to what?

[quote=exec talent]i don't know about anyone else, but every time i exit a rio bus, i feel that i have cheated death yet again. with the new metro stop in ipanema you now can take the metro to balcony (cardeal arcoverde).[/quote]

just a figure of speech. metro is great if you are near general osorio, but it can be a hassle to get there. but you miss the traffic if you take the metro which can be a huge factor. my favorite, if the traffic is light is to take the r2 minis -- usually they don't get too crazy. however i did get one that was an absolute kamikaze recently. but really, the taxi fare is not that much either.

bottom line, for action in ipanema/leblon forget it unless it is late (after midnight) and that is going to be spotty. if you are up for, try melt -- i know that some of the bets balcony talent go there if they are free. or order take out from karla.

This has been listed as a Tier 2 termas, but it is at the top end of Tier 2 in my opinion. The prices and girl quality are a little below 4x4 but the environment (decor and facilities) are not as good as you would expect in a Tier 1 termas.

Since I am doing a tour of the alternative Centro termas and providing some feedback for others who may wish to venture out, here are my observations on MV30. I hope that this helps prepare MV30-newbies for a visit so at least you know what to expect when you go in. I think it is worth a visit. I’ve been three times in the last week!

1) Location

MV30 is located at 30 Rua Mayrink Veiga (hence the name - MV30) off Rio Branco. The easiest way to get to it is from the Uruguaiana Metro station: take the Presidente Vargas exit from the subway, once on the main road Vargas (which straight ahead of you on exit) turn right and walk down Vargas until you reach Rio Branco. Cross Vargas at the traffic lights and carry on down Rio Branco (towards Praca Maua), stay on the left hand side of Av. Rio Branco. Rua Mayrink Veiga is the third road on the left after crossing Vargas. Turn left here and walk about 200 yards down the road and MV30 is on the right hand side of the road. You can spot it by the neon light over the door that says “MV30” and the guys sitting on chairs outside the door. It will take you 5-10 minutes to get there for Uruguaiana Metro depending on the timing of the traffic lights. I have always arrived at 8ish and there were plenty of people still around the streets on the way home from work. I’ve left between 10 and 11 pm to walk back to the Metro, it has been a lot quieter but everything was ok.

2) Getting in and getting started

Say hi to the old guys in the chairs and go through the glass front door and up the stairs. At the top is the reception desk. The procedure is the same as 4x4, the lady at the desk will give you a locker key and number tag which are on a rubber bracelet. The entry price is not displayed (at least I didn’t see it) but the session prices are clearly displayed. Entrance is R$20 and includes 2 free drinks. Session prices are: R$115 for 30 mins, R$155 for 45 mins, R$195 for 60 mins and R$280 for 90 mins. They also have a 30 minute/2 girl special for R$180. You pay on the way out. It is important to get a little green card from the reception after paying as you have to give that to the guys on the door on the way out. Like most of these places they take credit cards, although I usually pay with cash. Sorry, I forgot to ask about opening hours.

From the reception you will see a set of stairs on the left, upstairs are the showers and session rooms, straight ahead you will see a set of western-style saloon doors which lead into the locker room. On the right are two doorways, the first leads into the bar areas and the second leads into a small bathroom (which can also be accessed from the larger bar area).

In the locker room, the lady will ask you whether you want a robe. You have the option of robing up or going into the bars in your street clothes. When I have been in MV30 the ratio of robed:clothed has been about 50:50. The obvious incentive to robe up is that it is easier for the girls’ hands to wander and play.

Exit the locker room and turn 2nd left (after the toilets), or first right from the reception if you are clothed and don’t have anything to lock away. This brings you into a little connecting room where there is a small sofa and doorways leading into the two bar areas (larger bar straight ahead, smaller bar to the right). Girls usually hang around here to see who is coming in.

3) The termas itself

There are two bar areas. Nobody was smoking in either bar. As with placs like 4x4 and L'uomo, you show the barman your tag number when you order drinks. When I have bought drinks for girls, they have been charged at the same rate as for me - so it lloks like there are no higher drinks prices for girls, at least for beer and sodas.

The larger main bar area has a lot of floor space but not much seating. As you walk in there is a large semicircular bar straight ahead of you with bar stools. There is a small stage with a pole to the right of the entrance (I’ve never seen anybody get up and dance on the stage). Along the right hand wall there are a couple of sofas. Girls usually sit here but it is a good place to make out on a quiet night as well. I have been in here with a girl (Renata) when the room has been empty and things got a bit heated. In the far corner of this wall is a doorway which I guess leads through into the area where the girls change for work etc. To the left of the entrance and along the left hand wall are a couple of tables with bar stools and the other entrance to the bathroom. The music (Brazilian, MPB, some hip-hop) is not too loud so you can make conversation ok.

The smaller bar area is accessed down a short corridor, as you enter the bar is on the right and there is seating all round the room, with small tables spaced at regular intervals. There are a couple of TV screens which have been playing live music DVDs, volume is not too loud so conversation is ok. There is a doorway at the end of the room which leads through into session rooms.

The crowd in MV30 looks like mainly (entirely?) locals. The atmosphere was pretty neutral/friendly, I didn’t get any “what is the gringo doing here” stares. The guys were “better behaved” than 502 in that there is no continual groping of girls as they walk round, MV30 has less of a feeling of a meat-market than 502. Also, unlike the reverse meat-market in 4x4, the girls don’t grab your butt as you walk past!

I’ve been in there on a Monday night, tuesday night and thursday night, the place was progressively busier each night from being fairly empty to being about 1/3 full. It didn’t get as busy as 4x4 does as the evening progresses and as the week progresses.

If you session, the girls will take you to the corridor area leading into the smaller bar, which actually contains a shuttered window to a small room behind the bar. The shutter is drawn almost all the way down so in the darkened light it is difficult to spot it. They book in for the session here, pick up a key to a room and condoms. The first room I had was quite large –bed, whirpool tub and shower/toilet – and accessed from the smaller of the 2 bars. The second room was upstairs and was like your normal 4x4 cabine, smaller with a shower/toilet and not much floor space.

4) The girls

There are a range of types here, from skinny to curvy, big tits, small tits, from no discernible bunda to popozuda. In my opinion most girls were top of the mid-range, a couple of top end stunners, nothing too bad that you wouldn’t consider. Quite a few of the girls I spoke to had worked at 4x4 in the past. I was told that the number of girls working increases from 20 or so at the start of the week to over 40 on Friday. There are a range of ethnicities but most girls there were darker-skinned.

I spoke to a number of girls on my first night, homed in on one particular girl on my second night and repeated with her on my third. Nearly all the girls I spoke too were very friendly and non-pushy for business or drinks. Several of them, even after asking if you wanted to session and being told “not tonight” would still hang around and talk to you (unlike some places – 4x4 and 502 – where they get up and walk off straight away).

The first girl I spoke to was an 18 year old called Milena who had started programma a month earlier, she really was too sweet to drag off to the cabine. I don’t think she had quite learnt how to sell herself as we chatted for about 25 minutes about almost everything except programma. She seemed more interested in finding out about my part of the world. A couple of other girls sat down and joined in the conversation. Two of them kept trying to encourage me to go with Milena – I got the feeling that she hadn’t had a very good client success rate and they were trying to look after her and help her get started in the game (quite motherly!). For a while, a very pretty Bahiana joined in the conversation and was explaining to Milena about the different termas, prices, work conditions etc. The Bahiana (I forget her name) was ex 4x4 and very pretty and I would certainly session with her, she was tall and had one of those biggish bundas that stands up and out when she walks. The two other girls I spoke to, I would have also sessioned with as well, the first, a morena called Gabriella (ex 4x4) spoke a little English, the other girl, whose name I forget, had an amazing popozuda. She always seemed to be busy with other guys so I haven’t had the chance to get hold of her since my first visit.

On my first trip, I deliberately went out with little cash as it was a recce visit – so I could tell the girls I was looking and would come back later in the week (in fact I returned the following night). I had one pushy girl (Claudia) who wanted to session, then said “I’ll come home with you, you can pay me tomorrow”, she seemed a bit pushy which set off a few alarm bells about quality. She said that she sometimes goes down to Balcony after MV30. Anyway, on my second night she did bug me quite a bit and I ended up having to ask her to leave me alone. She went off to sit and sulk wth her arms crossed like a little kid. On my third trip she tended to ignore me, and having seen me go off and make out/session with another girl on my second night started to give me looks that seemed to say “I wouldn’t, even if you gave me a million reals”. Well, the feeling is mutual love, so neither of us is losing out.

On my second night, I was thinking Bahiana or popozuda-girl (both busy talking to others) or Gabriella (couldn’t see her) and then Renata walked into the bar – well, her tits walked in, and then, seconds later, she did. Very pretty, big natural tits, nice but not huge bunda. Everything was more than a handful and I have big hands. This always gets my attention. We sat down and talked, very friendly, non-pushy, wandering hands and tongue. 30 minutes later, vamos, uma hora. Sex was great, very good oral skills, brought me almost to orgasm with chupar and then put on the condom and shoved it straight up her ass without even asking me! I feel like I'm being used to pleasure her, not the other way round! Man those tits hanging down, the bunda pumping up and down! I indicate I'm close, she jumps off, whips off the condom, sticks me in her mouth and then the suction and tongue action returns until orgasm - incredible. I not sure I'm going to be able to think straight after this one. Very affectionate, well I lasted another 2 days before returning to session with her again. 28, from Petropolis, says she has made 2 pornos in the past.

5) So what are the differences between MV30 and the top-end Termas?

In my opinion, not a lot. I think for the higher prices in 4x4 you are paying for a better environment (bar, cabine) and a much larger selection of girls (with more top-end stunners). MV30 is less crowded and the girls are less pushy than 4x4. 4x4 girls are friendly, chatty and will make out, but also focus more on sealing the deal and walking off is they sense it’s a no go and go work on someone else. In MV30, the girls will hang around and talk and several of them didn’t even bring up the topic of sessioning. Also, quite a few girls will tend to sit/stand around in MV30 so you will have to go up to them to start a conversation.

On the downside, you are not paying much less than you would for a 1 hour session at 4x4 (R$195 vs R$220) and I would guess that they don’t waive the entrance fee for an early session. However, as I have said before, the entrance fees for these Tier 2 termas are much lower and include free drinks so if nothing else you get to drink a few beers, stare at pussy and bunda and chat to girls before heading off to 4x4, Cancun or T65.

However, you may just be distracted by what’s on offer in MV30... I was and have enjoyed a couple of very large distractions there this week... (adopting horrible Austrian monotone) .. I'll be back!

[QUOTE=Golfinho]And Hello to what?[/QUOTE]
Empório have some local piranhas. Some have been around since the early nineties. They have a hobby of f**king gringos for free. However they want their gringos young and very innocent. If they recognize you, or if you speak Portuguese to well they get suspicious. All of them are past expiration date. They are easy to spot. "The missing link"-girls.

It's better to have a go at the non-pro's.

There are also some pro's hanging out at Empório, but to me it's odd to go to Empório looking for P4P.

The recent reports on the more obscure termas in Centro and Zona Sul give me some pause about reporting yet again on a few of the popular high-end termas. But perhaps a status update will be of use to those who are presently in Rio. For many reasons, I prefer termas for my mongering. They have, of course, become quite expensive these days; nevertheless, I still prefer the high-end termas experience. During my very recent visit, I visited three different termas. I also plucked a tall girl (Alesandra) from Balcony for a so-so encounter which served to reinforce my antipathy for that scene. Here are summaries of my termas experiences listed from worst to best:

3. Termas 65 - I had enjoyed this place in the past, so I was ready for another visit. I am not one who remembers exact pricing very well, but if my memory is correct, one might get out the door (after a single 40 minute session) for R300. As always I casually bantered with a few of the girls before selecting Jennifer, a rather petite morena. One of the girls told me that the boss had warned the girls not to become overly promiscuous with clients in the boite area, and indeed none of these girls grabbed my dick or cleaned my wisdom teeth with her tongue. I have no idea why management would make restrictions like this, but there was definitely less groping here than in the other termas I visited. The session went very well with Jennifer. She was very accommodating in every way that I wished for her to be. (I never seek penetration of the sewage system -- a little rimming is quite sufficient for me.) Anyhow the visit was quite satisfactory, if not memorable, until I was presented with the bill upon exit. The bar bill was a whopping R42.00. I pressed the receptionist for more details because I had only consumed one Coke and one Skol. And I had purchased only one drink for Jennifer, the girl of my session. It turns out that Jennifer had ordered a vodka and Red Bull cocktail. The price was R14 for the vodka plus R16 for the Red Bull for an eye-popping total of R30. I freely admit that this was bound to happen to me sooner or later. I enjoy purchasing a drink or two for the girls that I choose for a session. And even though similar scams have previously been reported here, I never pay much attention to what a girl orders. But I believe that this is the first time that I have personally been victimized in this manner. I should also report that two of the girls that I had engaged earlier in casual conversation had asked me to buy them a vodka drink as well. I didn't pay much attention at the time, but now I realize that they may have been trying to rip me off as well. Fortunately I seldom buy drinks for girls that I don't engage in a session. In retrospect, I wonder why a business encourages this type of extortion. Surely it cannot be in their long term interest to rip people off in this manner. Do they target individuals that they they feel are already unlikely to return? Or is it perhaps an alternative way for the girls who don't get many sessions to earn their keep? Or maybe their business is going downhill and they are just trying to wring out every last real before new managers are brought in? Whatever their motivation, I shall never return to Termas 65.

2. L'uomo -- Other than a remodelled relax room. this old favorite has changed little since my previous visit in 2008. I visited early (before 16:00) on a Saturday. The entrance fee was waived, and I also ate dinner there a little later on. Ingrid is still there. She is as firm as ever, although she has grown a size or two since my last visit. She is now a little thick for my tastes, but, of course, I am confident that she would still be a great session for those who like their women that way. There was another girl (Renata) there I remember from the past. She is petite and very cute. I have long been interested in her, but we could never connect. At least toward me, she has always been quite remote. I sessioned with Nanda after a rather lengthy and glorious make-out session. She is a mulata with a flatter than average tummy and tighter than average ass. Just what I was looking for. In particular, her skin is so perfect in its uniform café com leite coloration and smoothness. All over. Aside from single small tatoo, there is nothing to detract from her flawless skin - no scars or moles or birth marks or stresses of child-birth. Her pussy and ass crack (sorry to be so crass) must have just been waxed (or whatever they do). Aside from her beautiful mane of (unnaturally) brown hair, this girl was nearly hairless and I could have spent maybe forever down there in her nether regions sucking and eating and licking. She was also very affectionate and, whether real or faked, her performance was most passionate with lots of kisses and moans and the spasms of an approaching, yet elusive, orgasm. I recommend Nanda without reservation. One last note about L'uomo: The entry fee is currently half-price. That would make it R30. So you can get out of there for maybe a little over R300. As I recall, this offer expires around 19 November.

1. Monte Carlo -- This terma has always ranked near the bottom of my list. The facilities are fine, perhaps among the best. But I seldom have found girls there that appealed to me. A few years ago, another reviewer described most of them as having bovine characteristics and I tended to agree. So I visited Monte Carlo last. It was my last stop before having to check out of my hotel and heading to the airport. Anyhow, I walked into the boite and I was stunned. I could not believe it. I immediately saw three ladies that I considered must haves: a tall blond with a killer body; a petite, super cute morena; and an average-sized mulata with a firm butt, flat stomach, and beautiful face. What to do? I had time for only one 40 minute session. I hastily chose the blond, mostly out of fear that she would soon be snapped up by somebody else. Her name is something like "Eloha". She is quite tall with small breasts, beautful ass, legs and stomach. Looking at her, it was very hard to believe that she had borne a child. And she did not disappoint in our session. This girl likes to play dirty. I also highly recommend her. She really stands out in the boite. You can't miss her. Only problem is that she will likely already be already taken by another guy.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]I, m in Rio for 4 weeks. Mainly work but with a few free days and free evenings.

Last night I paid a visit to Termas 502 and here are my observations to help others who may be interested in going. I hope that this helps prepare 502-newbies for a visit so at least you know what to expect when you go in.

Fourthly, the obvious big difference is the price, a one hour session in 502 will cost you R$160 (20 entrance/3 drinks plus 140 session) compared to R$270 at 4x4 after 5pm when you don't get the entrance waived (50 entrance + 220 session).

I'm here for 4 weeks with work, so I'll try out some of the other Centro termas (maybe MV30, T61, T31, T81, Florida. We'll see), it gives me something to do in the evenings (!) and report back.[/QUOTE]

Great long report. Reminds me I should check out some of these places again.
Now for cheap skates like me ;-) the interesting part is not that a one hour program is 30% cheaper then an expensive terma. The interesting part is the minimum price, for a 20 minute program. This probably costs 80% less then a top termas. So it would be interesting to report on this.

Even for your visit, you should simply have sessioned a short cheap session, with a girl that might not seem perfect but worth checking out, instead of walking off doing nothing. Wasted your time and outed you as a "pentelho" (pubic hair), a guy that hangs out, gropes, but does not fuck (usually because he does not have the money).


Also the exact opening hours (how early do they open), and phone numbers to clear up any doubts. Finally: I frequent many really cheap places only partially for the low prices, but because they have younger (legal), fresher, less seasoned girls then the "top termas". One of the reasons for that strange fact (that the cheaper places have better girls in my judgment) is that they open during early day time, which I personally find more appealing anyway.

I am usually up to daytime early explorations, if someone is interested, contact me! (I live in Rio and speak perfect portuguese, and know lots of places)

Oh, I would not be found dead walking in Centro after 8 pm. Don't be cheap, take a taxi. If you are really cheap, take a taxi to the metro. Or, at least, ask advice of the door man (well, portuguese comes in handy)

Great report, there should be more like these, and they should be more easy to be found. Maybe report of distinction!? And maybe, do a short summary report on them. I believe you can find the places at [url]http://bitchmaps.com/rj[/url]

[QUOTE=Potemkin]I asked this question on the Carnival Forum, but nobody replied there (that Forum seems dead, at least at this time). And than again, I admit, it is a silly question...

Well, my question was about Rio, so let me ask it here as well. I have a chance of visiting Rio during the Carnival; yet I do not have to go during that time, can find some other time to visit. I would like someone who is familiar with Rio and its Carnival tell me: is it worth trying to visit during the Carnival? I would like to meet the girls, of course. Will it be more difficult at that time? Is everything much more expensive and more difficult? Is the Carnival REALLY special, or just a lot of niusance?[/QUOTE]

During carnival everything is much more expensive. Hotels, apartments, etc.

Availability of paid girls outside tourist trap termas is very low (escort agencies, and many cheap brothels, massage parlors etc close for almost a week, I believe).

If you have great game, good portuguese, look great, dance good, know people you can group up with and know how to avoid trouble with drunk and jealous guys: you have a better chance then usual at scoring with normal girls.

Otherwise (I am talking against my self interest in renting rooms during peak season for twice the price), for a monger there is no reason to come during carnival or New Year's. It is just if you want to see the parades and events, not good for mongering.

If you want great carnival without the disadvantes, google "off season carnival" "micareta", carnaval fora de epoca, carnatal, carnabelem, fortal, micareta, etc.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I am just updating my guide. Just wondering if anyone has been to the following places. I intend to visit them all but would like some input before going. Anyone been and can say it is decent or a train wreck?

Avenida Nossa Senhora de Copacabana nº 583 (street number)

Sala 203 Price - ?
Sale 204 Price - ?
Sala 209 Price - ?

Rua Tonelero, nº 169. Copacabana. (Copa Massagem). 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price R$ ?

Rua Toneleros nº 171 (near Siquiera Campos). Copacabana. 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price – ?

Rua Toneleros nº 173 (near Siquiera Campos). Copacabana. 10am -10pm Mon. to Sat.
Price – ?[/QUOTE]

Am I so uninformed: half of these places in my own back yard I have never heard of? 583/209? there is another place at 209? tell me more! There is a huge hooter girl at 11 floor (she has a photo ad somewhere and needs prior appointment), but a third place at 2nd floor?

583/204, 22, and the only place I know at Toneleiros belong all to the same family (brothers) and have the same pricing, except for 22 charging R$ 12 for admission for 3 drinks (R$ 20more for gringos). Brazilian prices are 20 min R$ 55 (girls are a little unhappy and they usually totally refuse such prices to gringos), 30 minuts R$ 75, 40 min R$ 95 and 1 hour R$ 125.

It is almost impossible to escape higher gringo pricing (R$ 100 and up for half hour). I keep arguing and fighting for my friends and usually get R$ 75 for half hour for them. If all fails, negotiate a longer time, but for the correct price. Like 40 minutes for R$ 100 which is just R$ 5 above regular pricing.

Never, never ever allow a tout to take you or to even accompany you to these places, or your pricing is doomed!!

583/203 has prices posted on the wall, nowadays they are covered but anyone can ask to get them uncovered. A very quiet, cleaner place with very few girls and a bit higher pricing (minimum should be a little ofer R$ 100)


Personally I never found anything really good at Toneleiros. Now there are 3 bars one next to each other? Really? how do I recgnize them? I never knew about this!

[QUOTE=Illini333]Im going to be in rio from december 29-jan 4. Im looking for a good hotel that is not too expensive to stay at while im in rio. I prefer for it to be on one of the beaches but am open if there are some good deals. Since its new years the prices are really high. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on where i can stay?? thanks[/QUOTE]

Hi, are you grad from U of I Champaign Urbana?

Well, for New years, all is expensive. Contact me for my place, I am one block from the beach. Make sure I can aswer you in case you have no private message privileges. As usually, I act agaist my self interest to warn that mongering possibilities are restricted during carnival and New Years.

For other options and hotels, many people have posted agencies and monger friendly hotels.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]Hi, are you grad from U of I Champaign Urbana?

Well, for New years, all is expensive. Contact me for my place, I am one block from the beach. Make sure I can aswer you in case you have no private message privileges. As usually, I act agaist my self interest to warn that mongering possibilities are restricted during carnival and New Years.

For other options and hotels, many people have posted agencies and monger friendly hotels.[/QUOTE]
We all know you are desperate to rent the rooms in your shithole apartment, but commercial advertising is not permitted here. Spam elsewhere (as if you haven't already).

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]We all know you are desperate to rent the rooms in your shithole apartment, but commercial advertising is not permitted here. Spam elsewhere (as if you haven't already).[/QUOTE]


I have been to Brazil Specialist's apartment, it is a really very nice place! The balcony is really big and perfect for late night activitys. LOL! I would stay there if I didnt already have a place in rio. His personality is kinda different, but he is a nice guy.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Substitute "french" for "russian/FSU". and, "frog" for "gopnik". then, you'll personally have things in perspective.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1090859&postcount=5552[/url]

SO witty and smart. You are SO acrimonious, SO ridiculous, and SO culturally unaware. No wonder why you had only fails with freebies in your FSU trips.

You are admittedly more attracted by low-cost swarthy hardened prostitutes in Brasil than to woo beautiful non-pros in FSU. Honestly, you shouldn't brag about it. It's truly pathetic.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]During carnival everything is much more expensive. Hotels, apartments, etc.

Availability of paid girls outside tourist trap termas is very low (escort agencies, and many cheap brothels, massage parlors etc close for almost a week, I believe).

If you have great game, good portuguese, look great, dance good, know people you can group up with and know how to avoid trouble with drunk and jealous guys: you have a better chance then usual at scoring with normal girls.

Otherwise (I am talking against my self interest in renting rooms during peak season for twice the price), for a monger there is no reason to come during carnival or New Year's. It is just if you want to see the parades and events, not good for mongering.

If you want great carnival without the disadvantes, google "off season carnival" "micareta", carnaval fora de epoca, carnatal, carnabelem, fortal, micareta, etc.[/QUOTE]
I agree with much of this but would say come during Carnaval if you are interested in Carnaval - a bit inappropriate otherwise. But I have never found, say, VM less busy in Carnaval - sometimes the opposite.

[QUOTE=Bravo]I have been to Brazil Specialist's apartment, it is a really very nice place! The balcony is really big and perfect for late night activitys. LOL! I would stay there if I didnt already have a place in rio. His personality is kinda different, but he is a nice guy.[/QUOTE]
Some have said the same about Hannibal Lecter, but I wouldn't accept his invitation to dinner.

I didn't realise that today is a national holiday until I stepped out of the door and NS Copa is almost dead. Does that mean that the Centro termas will all be shut? I guess so. Will L'uomo be open with sunday opening hours?

I fear that anywhere that is open will have a poor girl selection - a monday plus a holiday.

Does anybody have any advice?

Obrigado

[QUOTE=Prosal][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1090859&postcount=5552[/url]

You are admittedly more attracted by low-cost swarthy hardened prostitutes in Brasil than to woo beautiful non-pros in FSU. Honestly, you shouldn't brag about it. It's truly pathetic.[/QUOTE]Wooing beautiful, non-pros in their trailer parks in Siberia, the Russian Appalachia: now, that's something to boast about! Poor frog-nik. After being called 'maricon' (fag) too many times from Brasilian women, and hearing their laughter behind your back, of course you can't find a good thing to say about your experience in Brasil, 'petit ami' (translated: silly, insignificant, little self-involved person).

[QUOTE=Torgoch]I didn't realise that today is a national holiday until I stepped out of the door and NS Copa is almost dead. Does that mean that the Centro termas will all be shut? I guess so. Will L'uomo be open with sunday opening hours?

I fear that anywhere that is open will have a poor girl selection - a monday plus a holiday.

Does anybody have any advice?

Obrigado[/QUOTE]

Centro will not only be shut, it will be void of all people except the homeless and various street people, hence kind of dangerous later on.

Luomo is usually your best bet. Monte Carlo and Solarium may also possibly be open. Centaurus will definitely be shut.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]Does anybody have any advice?[/QUOTE]
Vila Mimosa.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Empório have some local piranhas. Some have been around since the early nineties. They have a hobby of f**king gringos for free. However they want their gringos young and very innocent. If they recognize you, or if you speak Portuguese to well they get suspicious. All of them are past expiration date. They are easy to spot. "The missing link"-girls.

It's better to have a go at the non-pro's.

There are also some pro's hanging out at Empório, but to me it's odd to go to Empório looking for P4P.[/QUOTE]
Last time I was past Emporio it was closed. Does anyone know if it is closed for good.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Centro will not only be shut, it will be void of all people except the homeless and various street people, hence kind of dangerous later on.

Luomo is usually your best bet. Monte Carlo and Solarium may also possibly be open. Centaurus will definitely be shut.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the various responses .. I did go down Centro at around 4pm. There were a few non-homeless/street people walking around but it was so quiet that you could pretty much walk down the middle of Rio Branco. I got the metro to L'uomo.

L'uomo was pretty much like any other time I had been there in the early evening, 15-20 girls, 10 or so guys. No bunda grande for me, but lots and lots of pretty spinners for those who like them slim. I went with a cute morena called Nina with nice big naturals, very carinhosa in the bar, spent about 30 minutes making out. Performance in bed was average but with no chance of any action for the next week with work, I needed to let off steam. I paid R$240 for 40 mins, entrance is halved at the moment before 7 pm (R$30 instead of R$60).

One day I'll get to session with the infamous Ingrid but I hear that she only works at the end of the week...

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]Last time I was past Emporio it was closed. Does anyone know if it is closed for good.[/QUOTE]
What I heard it's open as usual.
Maybe you passed by before the opening hours?

[QUOTE=Bravo]I have been to Brazil Specialist's apartment, it is a really very nice place! The balcony is really big and perfect for late night activitys. LOL! I would stay there if I didnt already have a place in rio. His personality is kinda different, but he is a nice guy.[/QUOTE]His personality is kind of different? Wow lol.

Kid Cisco

Hi I'm new, thank you very much for the best guide (Bubba's guide)

I found this place accidentally and red the guide of 2004 or 5 thinking it was most recent.

Then I saw you going to do the update, and today finally posted it, so today I had to register and read the whole thing.

Very interesting and detailed thank you.

But can I please ask for some advice?

The five of us are travelling to Rio soon, I think either Copa or Ipanema is where we staying.

And the thing is: We are not the Termas type.

We actually preffer to take a girl at night, and spend time with her all night or what ever.

When Help was open, was the ultimate place for us

But now its closed, I read about the Barbarella and the other club, and a bit not so sure.

So basically, can anyone advise me a good place to find nice hot gdp's with the actual intention to bring back to the apartment?

Really appreciate for any advice and Thanks in Advance.

P. S I'm reposting this message because I tryed posting in bubba'sreport section but its not coming up.

Fellow mongers,
I am starting to get very frequently this timeout message from ISG's server :

"Service Temporarily Unavailable"
"The bwshare module will refuse your requests for the next 1452 seconds."
"You have made too many requests per second."

I don't get it. I do not open many posts nor pictures.

I left a message to Jackson in the administration board but got no answer.

Any clue to what it is ?

Regards.
B.B.

[QUOTE=Sem C Yo]Hi I'm new, thank you very much for the best guide (Bubba's guide)

I found this place accidentally and red the guide of 2004 or 5 thinking it was most recent.

Then I saw you going to do the update, and today finally posted it, so today I had to register and read the whole thing.

Very interesting and detailed thank you.

But can I please ask for some advice?

The five of us are travelling to Rio soon, I think either Copa or Ipanema is where we staying.

And the thing is: We are not the Termas type.

We actually preffer to take a girl at night, and spend time with her all night or what ever.

When Help was open, was the ultimate place for us

But now its closed, I read about the Barbarella and the other club, and a bit not so sure.

So basically, can anyone advise me a good place to find nice hot gdp's with the actual intention to bring back to the apartment?

Really appreciate for any advice and Thanks in Advance.

P. S I'm reposting this message because I tryed posting in bubba'sreport section but its not coming up.[/QUOTE]Sem.

There are many places where you can pick them up.

Even on the streets. Try Rua Prado Júnior or Atlântica avenue at night.

Another tip: my preferred, Balcony bar. Close to Porto Bay hotel, in Copa.

Nice place and plenty of chicks. Just choose and get.

I expect that this can "help" you.

I live in Rio, so, feel free to ask.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]TOne day I'll get to session with the infamous Ingrid but I hear that she only works at the end of the week...[/QUOTE]

I saw her there this past Tuesday night around 10.30pm. She was taking some tall Asian guy to the room.

[QUOTE=Sem C Yo]Hi I'm new, thank you very much for the best guide (Bubba's guide)

I found this place accidentally and red the guide of 2004 or 5 thinking it was most recent.

Then I saw you going to do the update, and today finally posted it, so today I had to register and read the whole thing.

Very interesting and detailed thank you.

But can I please ask for some advice?

The five of us are travelling to Rio soon, I think either Copa or Ipanema is where we staying.

And the thing is: We are not the Termas type.

We actually preffer to take a girl at night, and spend time with her all night or what ever.

When Help was open, was the ultimate place for us

But now its closed, I read about the Barbarella and the other club, and a bit not so sure.

So basically, can anyone advise me a good place to find nice hot gdp's with the actual intention to bring back to the apartment?

Really appreciate for any advice and Thanks in Advance.

P. S I'm reposting this message because I tryed posting in bubba'sreport section but its not coming up.[/QUOTE]If someone can please advise something, I can always try helping finding something in London or Moscow in return.

Also I'm hyped and want good links to keepy friends happy and not get stuck with either 2 wives (left and right hand) or one of those last one standing where I have to decide coming back alone or with some minger.

Peace

You posted this entry, but you PM will not accept messages...WTF

[QUOTE=Maawf1960]This is my first post or famous last words. I have been here in Brazil for a few months. I have a friends in Rio who is looking for a little extra money on the side. She is a Samba dancer and is in top form. This girl is the real deal and her deep throat and swallow is unbeatable. Send me a PM for a high def photo and her info. Thank in advance you wont be disappointed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Maawf1960]This is my first post or famous last words. I have been here in Brazil for a few months. I have a friends in Rio who is looking for a little extra money on the side. She is a Samba dancer and is in top form. This girl is the real deal and her deep throat and swallow is unbeatable. Send me a PM for a high def photo and her info. Thank in advance you wont be disappointed.[/QUOTE]
It smells troll.

[QUOTE=Maawf1960]This is my first post or famous last words. I have been here in Brazil for a few months. I have a friends in Rio who is looking for a little extra money on the side. She is a Samba dancer and is in top form. This girl is the real deal and her deep throat and swallow is unbeatable. Send me a PM for a high def photo and her info. Thank in advance you wont be disappointed.[/QUOTE]

You are welcome to PM me. Let me know how old she is (MUST be over 18, MUST prove it, but I don't like them much older then 18), and more details.

But it is true, the very first post about such an issue, this looks suspicious. So tell more about yourself, too.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]You are welcome to PM me. Let me know how old she is (MUST be over 18, MUST prove it, but I don't like them much older then 18), and more details.

But it is true, the very first post about such an issue, this looks suspicious. So tell more about yourself, too.[/QUOTE]
You'll know it's a troll by her higher than average rates . . .

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]You are welcome to PM me. Let me know how old she is (MUST be over 18, MUST prove it, but I don't like them much older then 18), and more details.

But it is true, the very first post about such an issue, this looks suspicious. So tell more about yourself, too.[/QUOTE]I let my membership expire i wil PM you tomorrow after the check clears.

20:th of November is a holiday in many brailian cites, maybe in rio as well?
Dia Nacional da Consciência Negra (quite an interesting background to this feriado).

Maybe some termas are closed?
If not closed, you should shag a bubble-but mulatta just to honour the feriado.

[QUOTE=Sem C Yo]Hi I'm new, thank you very much for the best guide (Bubba's guide)

I found this place accidentally and red the guide of 2004 or 5 thinking it was most recent.

Then I saw you going to do the update, and today finally posted it, so today I had to register and read the whole thing.

Very interesting and detailed thank you.

But can I please ask for some advice?

The five of us are travelling to Rio soon, I think either Copa or Ipanema is where we staying.

And the thing is: We are not the Termas type.

We actually preffer to take a girl at night, and spend time with her all night or what ever.

When Help was open, was the ultimate place for us

But now its closed, I read about the Barbarella and the other club, and a bit not so sure.

So basically, can anyone advise me a good place to find nice hot gdp's with the actual intention to bring back to the apartment?

Really appreciate for any advice and Thanks in Advance.

P. S I'm reposting this message because I tryed posting in bubba'sreport section but its not coming up.[/QUOTE]

I have a different opinion and different habits.

Brazil is short time country. You can get good SEX for good prices for short periods. 2 hours, 1 hour, 40 minutes, 20 minutes.

Longer times is problematic.

All these pickup places are at least problematic, if not dangerous. How many times I woke up in the middle of the night, because an apartment guest of mine brought a Help girl and got into an argument. Several times police came, or the guy was invited to the police stations. Or I had to show my legal prowess to discourage the girl from calling her police goon friend in the middle of the night.

Girls that are at good agencies or termas are sort of a branded product. You can trust the brand name. They rarely cause serious problems because they are scared of getting on trouble with their well connected management.

I would try to get girls from termas to come overnight and go out in the mornings. Go to termas, chat up the girls, actually do a program, chat a bit more afterwards and make appointments for later on. Of course, they don't really have that much time. They work 6 days a week.

I know some amateur girls. But, the better ones actually have a life, a school, a job, a boy friend, or mother who would not let them sleep overnight.

Brazil Specialist is spot on. There are ways of getting what you describe, but until you are very comfortable in this city you will risk spoiling your holiday if you chase it. There are just far too many things to go wrong. I think Bubba may have mentioned non-pros in the city - but your game needs to be excellent. You can chat up girls you meet in a terma and get them to go back to your place - but again you need to know the ropes pretty well. You can find a girl in the bars in Copa, sweet talk her and bar-hop with her, and eventually get her to go back, but it was getting hard enough to do this without being scammed when Help was open and unless you can demonstrate to her you know your way around these days I reckon you will probably struggle. My favourite for many years has been Nogueira, but that involves slumming it with scrubbers in the hope of finding a newbie gem - and the entertainment includes watching tourists getting skinned alive from all sides. Come to Brasil for the Brasil experience - short time mostly, wild enthusiastic and often quite skilful sex, a beautiful if challenging country and people. If you screw a girl you really like and she 'really likes' you (in other words, you can get away without being screwed), save her till near the end of your holiday - this is a good time to 'fall in love', get laid for 24hrs and more (not worrying about how much it cramps your style and makes you miss out on all the other thousands of women dying to screw you), then bid a tearful farewell without giving her your forwarding address. Then go home reminding yourself it is the best fantasy in the world. Yeah, fantasy. Or invite us to the wedding :) :) :)

Christopherd was speaking about love.

I fall in love everyday in Brazil. Those smiles and the swayinging bundas-do-jacaré ("alligator tail ass swing"). Mostly my paixao only last to the next street corner or about 10 seconds after I unloaded my Spertinhos.

Falling in love with a pro in Brazil is a mistake. A BIG mistake! I've seen buddies with more than 20 years of experience of Brazil falling in love with GP's. They live in a fantasy and being used as milk-cows. The paixao only last as long as they keep sending money to... rebuilding the house, kids school, dentist fees, new refrigerator, car etc etc. They get ass- f***ed so deep without realizing it.

Falling in love with a non-pro in Brazil is also a mistake, unless you are prepared. "Eu te amo!" comes very easy in Brazil. If you want to be happy, be honest and keep an distance to the girls. Don't give false promises of a future together. Enjoy your time together. If it continues on your next visit, then it's great. If not, there are plenty more fish in the sea.

IMO the best option is travelling around in Brazil. Various GFs in different cities and maybe one "true love". Hopefully you will still have the option of the daytime visits to the centro casas.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Those smiles and the swayinging bundas-do-jacaré ("alligator tail ass swing"). [/QUOTE]

Now that is too friggin funny! Priceless!

[QUOTE=Maawf1960]This is my first post or famous last words. I have been here in Brazil for a few months. I have a friends in Rio who is looking for a little extra money on the side. She is a Samba dancer and is in top form. This girl is the real deal and her deep throat and swallow is unbeatable. Send me a PM for a high def photo and her info. Thank in advance you wont be disappointed.[/QUOTE]What are you some type of P.I.M.P. or something ?? did you know you can get lock up for this " even in Rio".

Kid Cisco

Sperto, very well said and truth behind every word!

Guys, don't try to be "Captain-Save-A-Ho"!

I've seen guys refinance, put all expenses with Pro's on credit cards, ruin their financial lives in Rio because of falling in love with a pro! This has been said over and over on this site, when you are in a relationship with a Pro you are in a relationship with her entire family! I don't mean just her kids or her Mom, her entire family (Mom, Dad, kids sisters, brothers, cousins, second cousins and so on) This is who you become financially responsible for!

Here is another thing; a pro and even non pro Brazilian girls will call most guys in her life that are around her family her cousins! Don't be fooled! These are not real cousins they are just guys they have known since they were kids or teenagers and they bang each other whenever they want! It's so funny, every time I've met a girl in Brazil and she talks about her real close guy cousins I ask: "are they really your cousin or is that who you fuck for fun? " They laugh every time!

Musze3000

[QUOTE=Sperto]Christopherd was speaking about love.

I fall in love everyday in Brazil. Those smiles and the swayinging bundas-do-jacaré ("alligator tail ass swing"). Mostly my paixao only last to the next street corner or about 10 seconds after I unloaded my Spertinhos.

Falling in love with a pro in Brazil is a mistake. A BIG mistake! I've seen buddies with more than 20 years of experience of Brazil falling in love with GP's. They live in a fantasy and being used as milk-cows. The paixao only last as long as they keep sending money to... rebuilding the house, kids school, dentist fees, new refrigerator, car etc etc. They get ass- f***ed so deep without realizing it.

Falling in love with a non-pro in Brazil is also a mistake, unless you are prepared. "Eu te amo!" comes very easy in Brazil. If you want to be happy, be honest and keep an distance to the girls. Don't give false promises of a future together. Enjoy your time together. If it continues on your next visit, then it's great. If not, there are plenty more fish in the sea.

IMO the best option is travelling around in Brazil. Various GFs in different cities and maybe one "true love". Hopefully you will still have the option of the daytime visits to the centro casas.[/QUOTE]

Earlier this year Juliana claimed she missed her "love" a Brit. About 6 months ago he sends for her and all was good in London, until she get's the bright idea to work her Copa trade because she is bored while the dumb bloke is work for him and her. He decides to send her back to her favela. But she wanted him to send her to Switzerland instead. He found his balls and said F*** YOU! She got there through the Brazilian underground railroad.

Then she found that the UK deported her and posts the following on facebook.

"F***** UK evil place and evil peoples, the UK deport me for NOT reasion and try f***** in Switzerland just because I am brasilian but hahaha. For then they send the paper to Switzerland but they no care about because they hate UK and imigration in Switzerland give me more time to leave EuropeUnion. Thank you UK =D Big mistake for you and good for me!"

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]Earlier this year Juliana claimed she missed her "love" a Brit...[/QUOTE]
Am I missing something? Juliana Monteiro? Another GP in Europe. What has this to do with Rio?

Does anyone know if the former or current pornstars are still working the Termas in Centro? I know Luana, Nanda, Darlene, and Soraya used to be there. I am planning a trip into Rio and would love to visit one in Centro.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper]Does anyone know if the former or current pornstars are still working the Termas in Centro? I know Luana, Nanda, Darlene, and Soraya used to be there. I am planning a trip into Rio and would love to visit one in Centro.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know everybody you named is not working in the termas anymore. Well not at the well known termas that is.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Christopherd was speaking about love.

I fall in love everyday in Brazil. Those smiles and the swayinging bundas-do-jacaré ("alligator tail ass swing"). Mostly my paixao only last to the next street corner or about 10 seconds after I unloaded my Spertinhos.

Falling in love with a pro in Brazil is a mistake. Falling in love with a non-pro in Brazil is also a mistake, unless you are prepared. "Eu te amo!" comes very easy in Brazil.[/QUOTE]

I was speaking about it in inverted commas you will notice. I like all that heady shit whether with a pro who says she can't possibly charge me or a non-pro (only slightly safer) who realises something or other or thinks she does. Eu te amo, especially in Rio seems to refer very much to the moment. I am out the country before she thinks I might be crazy enough to buy her a new computer. I have never been fucked over after getting into an emotional relationship so far in the years I've been coming, and if anything it's maybe cos I treat it as a game the same way they do and just manage to stay one ahead (I'm a tight bastard even when it comes to dating even in the West). The danger is that they fake it emotionally more realistically than most western women can do it for real. If you know it's a game and have fun it's fine. If you start believing it's reality - especially when she's out of your sight - well that's like a funeral. The maximum time I have 'fallen in love' is two weeks, stayed at her apartment, she bought most of the food, shagged me senseless and gleefully the second I walked in. If I'm in one place for two months or more the last thing I do is get involved with [I]anyone[/i] - just fucks everything up. Live Brasil - women are the side dish - do the emotional dramatics while staying ahead in the last few days to round it out. I never even give a present at the airport - I just like that nice sight of a woman with a few soft tears in her eyes as I board a plane. Nice warm feeling for the flight. Just remember it's Brasil.

My wingman was more into it than I ever am. He had a girl in several cities that paid the lot and wouldn't even let him buy a meal. But he would spend more time on women than I do, and was good at it. There is usually some sucker in Scandinavia paying her upkeep and she just feels so guilty she has to share her good fortune with the guy she's with - my buddy. But he'd have to fly somewhere else for a break. My life in Brasil is more about having the garota options sorted out as a formality a bit like stocking the fridge then having a real agenda involving music, dance, discovering new scenes. I like to get laid at night without thinking about it all day. Some people only think of Brasil for the sex. I think why fucking bother flying all that way, just spend the airfare on prostitutes back home if that's the only thing. Spending an airfare to do Carnaval, the Amazon, the culture, that makes sense. Sex is like the air that we breathe - I don't want to have to think where the next breathe is coming from. Fortunately Brasil that is not too difficult.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Am I missing something? Juliana Monteiro? Another GP in Europe. What has this to do with Rio?[/QUOTE]As much as you keep whining about Help closing Sperto. If you don't want to read what I post, then close your fucking eyes!

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]If you don't want to read what I post, then close your fucking eyes![/QUOTE]
Wash your mouth with soap, Ipanema Carioca.
I do like to read all your well written reports about Rio, Ipanema Carioca.
I guess I just failed to understand the Juliana Monteiro story, Ipanema Carioca.

[QUOTE=Mongmann]As far as I know everybody you named is not working in the termas anymore. Well not at the well known termas that is.[/QUOTE]

I know a porn star named soraya, but that has been a while ago. Can try to locate her. Probably she would not work for cheap.

But, I think I should not help out or else someone will call me P.I.M.P.

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco]What are you some type of P.I.M.P. or something ?? did you know you can get lock up for this " even in Rio".

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]


I checked the definition of P.I.M.P here
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimp[/url]
A pimp is an agent for prostitutes who lives off their earnings.

Obviously you don't get girls at termas, massage parlors, brothels, and internet escort agency where they get P.I.M.P.E.D and others live off their earnings.

Bars like Barbarella subject girls to all kind of rules and demand a 2 drink fee for leaving, so these are also P.I.M.P.E.D

I was going to suggest you find non-P.I.M.P.E.D at street corners, but then I remembered that some local police charges protection money for the right to stay at a street corner. So these are also P.I.M.P.E.D

Now if a guy offers to intruduce a girl, most likely without getting a cut from here, then you complain? The only non-P.I.M.P.E.D girl you could find! The only girl where nobody lives off her earnings. And you rant against it.

So, of course, you would not accept a girl that is being P.I.M.P.E.D by another girl, be it for fee or a free introduction.

What does that leave for you? Using your great game to get non-pros? or date chicks from dating services like match.com?

Maybe you are at the wrong board. You should find a dating board, or a feminist anti-prostitution board to exchange your ideas.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]I checked the definition of P.I.M.P

A pimp is an agent for prostitutes who lives off their earnings.

Maybe you are at the wrong board. You should find a dating board, or a feminist anti-prostitution board to exchange your ideas.[/QUOTE]Not this again. is another discourse on PIMP'in with the daddy dog puff brigade really needed here.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper]Does anyone know if the former or current pornstars are still working the Termas in Centro? I know Luana, Nanda, Darlene, and Soraya used to be there. I am planning a trip into Rio and would love to visit one in Centro.[/QUOTE]

Check out this girls video at the bottom of her page:

[url]http://www.hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro/mayarashelson.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]I checked the definition of P.I.M.P here

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimp[/url]

A pimp is an agent for prostitutes who lives off their earnings.

Obviously you don't get girls at termas, massage parlors, brothels, and internet escort agency where they get P.I.M.P.E.D and others live off their earnings.

Bars like Barbarella subject girls to all kind of rules and demand a 2 drink fee for leaving, so these are also P.I.M.P.E.D

I was going to suggest you find non-P.I.M.P.E.D at street corners, but then I remembered that some local police charges protection money for the right to stay at a street corner. So these are also P.I.M.P.E.D

Now if a guy offers to intruduce a girl, most likely without getting a cut from here, then you complain? The only non-P.I.M.P.E.D girl you could find! The only girl where nobody lives off her earnings. And you rant against it.

So, of course, you would not accept a girl that is being P.I.M.P.E.D by another girl, be it for fee or a free introduction.

What does that leave for you? Using your great game to get non-pros? or date chicks from dating services like match.com?

Maybe you are at the wrong board. You should find a dating board, or a feminist anti-prostitution board to exchange your ideas.[/QUOTE]Well I am not a p. I. M. P per say except for my corpaorate bosses who would like me to sell there services more. However like most of the mongers on the board I have beem a J. O. H. And from time to time and you could get arrested for that as well even in Brazil!

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]I know a porn star named soraya, but that has been a while ago. Can try to locate her. Probably she would not work for cheap.
[/QUOTE]

I had heard/read that Soraya is in Sao Paulo now but is sometimes back in Rio and has been known to drop by 502. Of course, you would need to know the timing.

I am Sosua for 2 weeks after 4 days in Rio.

I was in Rio 10 Nov - 14 Nov. At Meia Pataca there was nothing to pick up. All I saw were some tired looking recycled garotas. I did not go to Dolce Vita or Balcony, 4 trips earlier this year and I was disappointed each time. Of the 5 trips I pulled to girls who were new to the game. But for the short-time I was in Rio I focused on centro termas and casas.

Wednesday night I walked into Cancun at about 10pm, and it was dead there. However, I had a great fuck session with a black girl in Cancun named Jenna. She had a nice ass, and I request her for 40 minutes, but I got more time than that. She called and asked how many minutes after we finished and cuddled. She gave a great sloppy blow job but did not keep her promise for completa. She said I was too big. But I did get her phone and telephone, because she got a A+ for BBBJ and pussy fuck. Total damage was $R270 with no drink.

Thursday I hit casas on 156 Rua Branco. First I tried Sala 1228. Only 2 girls, and the we not worth the trouble.

Next Sala 613. I did a young darkskin 19 year old, can remember her name, but she gave a great BBBJ, pussy and anal. The only problem is they insisted I use the same dirty towel after my shower. They finally gave me a new towel for R$2.00. I gave theed girl R$20 for her good a great performance. But the sala had only 2 girls, the one I fucked and a dumpy one. And they only take cash.

Friday casas again. 156 Rua Branco again, and this time Sala 3320. I did not see any regular girls. But there were 2 new girls who said they would do completa. I chosed Nany. What a headache. She changed her mind after she saw my dick. I then asked for the other girl, but I guess she did not food out of Nany's mouth and she said not too. Ok, I am butt naked and the sala changed the game on me.

Well, i decided to continue with Nany. What did she do next? She came out with a condom to do a covered BJ. So I said fuck it! I got her doggy-style and began fucking her. She then said slowly. I said "*****". Once I found my rhythm and her g-spot, we both had orgasm. I can tell she had hers because her back was wet from sweat the room was hot, and she made enough noise will grabbing the sheets with each hand. Would I do her again, "no"!

I then went to Rua do Ouvido Sala 707. But the tall blonde who I've fucked in the ass on pass trips was busy. Of the girls there I saw no others, so I left and went to Sala 911 in the same building. There I did a girl named Alessandra. She was ok, but the place wasn't a great place to fuck. It was R$40 Rio for 20 mins.

Saturday morning, I met a regular girl I met a kilo restaurant Temperante. She spoke english, 23 year old recent college graduate from Petropolis. She was about 5'-7"We met at 8pm. Nice body and a great fuck. BBBJ but no completa. I really do not want to have a steady girl from long distance. She lives in apartment provided by her father, of of Rua Sa Ferreira and NS Copacabana. I walked her to her building and headed back to my hotel.

I used my Brazil phone to contact a girl, Natasha, from Luomo, tall brown skin and log leggs with a fat ass. She said she would see me before I left for the USA Sunday night. She arrived at approx. 11am. We ate at Meia Pataca, and saw the gay parade. We then had branco sangria. At about 1pm we went to my hotel and did our thing. She did BBBJ and compeleta. She left at 5pm. I packed and my driver took me to the airport for my 10:00pm Delta flight to Atlanta.

Lesson for me, I can have fun in post Help Rio.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Check out this girls video at the bottom of her page:

[url]http://www.hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro/mayarashelson.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks Sangue Bob! Mayara and I have actually communicated before, but when I was in Sao Paolo, she was out of Brasil. She sent me her cell number and told me she is based in Sao Paolo. I will definitely have to look her up if she is in Rio.

[QUOTE=Sperto]IMO the best option is travelling around in Brazil. Various GFs in different cities and maybe one "true love". Hopefully you will still have the option of the daytime visits to the centro casas.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Christopherd] The maximum time I have 'fallen in love' is two weeks, stayed at her apartment, she bought most of the food, shagged me senseless and gleefully the second I walked in. [/QUOTE]Awesome. Some guys write poetry, others live it. Sperto & Christopherd live it. Keep the inspirational flame burning, gents.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca]
I then went to Rua do Ouvido Sala 707. But the tall blonde who I've fucked in the ass on pass trips was busy.
[/QUOTE]

Do you mean Marcella, the one who speaks good English and swallows after CIM?

She is a pp recommended value gdp for sure...the cu was in good shape though, not like a working piece so I bet YMMV on anal fuck.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=136020[/url]

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Do you mean Marcella, the one who speaks good English and swallows after CIM?

She is a pp recommended value gdp for sure...the cu was in good shape though, not like a working piece so I bet YMMV on anal fuck.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=136020[/url][/QUOTE]That's her. I was surprised she's in her 40s, she said.