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A wolf in sheep's clothing a RINO that supported Barry Hussein.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/opinion/covid-vaccines-unvaccinated.html[/URL]

Another low IQ dead dem from the Chinese virus.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2615778]A wolf in sheep's clothing a RINO that supported Barry Hussein.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/opinion/covid-vaccines-unvaccinated.html[/URL]

Another low IQ dead dem from the Chinese virus.[/QUOTE]He tried to make up for stupidly going along with GW Bush's scam to become a "wartime president" as a means to improve his chances of winning a 2nd term so he could produce even worse results than he produced during his first term by endorsing Barack Obama for POTUS.

That was the right thing to do, of course, and it certainly turned out great for America. But this bit where Repubs suddenly see the light and try to make amends too little too late AFTER they are out of office for producing their typical Repub crap results DURING their time in office is bullshit.

Now karma strikes as Trump's classic Repub incompetence, corruption, cowardice and lies, all of GW Bush's usual Repub attributes but on steroids and this time in perfect sync with Xi, killed him. Yes, RIP.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2615547]Thanks for confirming that California has been run by socialists. I guess that is why the democrats in California are upset with the current government. My property taxes are $12,000. Much more expensive than most of the other states adjoining California. There is nothing cheap about living in California.[/QUOTE]Of course. California has to keep extorting ever more from productive Americans to pay for the illegal welfare freeloading democrat voters it lets in by the hundred thousand, and also the unfunded liabilities of the mostly useless makework government employee democrat voters.

Join the exodus to Texas and Florida before it's too late.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2615647]Fuck.

Read the memo.[/QUOTE]Your major was undoubtedly something like gender studies via interpretative critical race dance theory, if you even went to college (or got your GED) so let me explain.

There is no way to store the huge amounts of electricity required to power a first world country. It's not like food. You can't have 12 hours of great supply and store the excess. Therefore the energy supply needs to be stable and steady 24/7, or have what is called inertia.

The problem with this green hippy enviro-wacko shit is that it is not stable. Sometimes the wind blows, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the sun shines, sometimes it doesn't. These huge fluctuations can fuck up the entire system and cause it to entirely shut down, which is exactly what happened in Great Britain in August 2019 when half the country went into blackout.

To avoid that, there needs to be a stable power supply (fossil fuel or nuclear) running at all times, in case the hippy shit collapses. So all those solar panels and windmills (all of which cost huge amounts of wealth, energy and pollution to produce, and do not last very long) are basically just for show, as there always needs to be serious power generation behind them.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2615649]There seems to be fairly good, objective statistical evidence that the slowdown has been engineered by the ILWU as a political / economic play. There is a closely watched statistic (called something like "berth productivity') which is a measure of the cost of moving one container TEU from a ship out of the port. Port of Long Beach does not rate highly compared to other ports (e.g. , Qingdao, Yokohama, Singapore). Most evidence points to the crane workers who want to limit the number of new cranes that can be installed, as well as the number of cranes that can work at any time. There is also consideralble anecdotal evidence that they are deliberately gumming up the process (loading trucks out of order, slow loading, etc), which I guess is mostly to make more money or maintain power. The ILWU crane operators are already the most highly paid in the world and the port management lives in fear of them. In short, I think it's not the trucks, rather the cranes.[/QUOTE]Correct! Crane operators make up to $250,000 a year and work 5-6 hours a day (they really like their lunches). This is a simple matter of a powerful, greedy, corrupt union flexing its muscles during the national emergency. It's time something was done about it.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2615778]A wolf in sheep's clothing a RINO that supported Barry Hussein.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/opinion/covid-vaccines-unvaccinated.html[/URL]

Another low IQ dead dem from the Chinese virus.[/QUOTE]The real story in all of this is yet another fake news scam lie by omission.

The headlines scream "Dead of Covid!" yet the guy was 84 and suffering from advanced myeloma (cancer) so was sadly on the way out anyway.

But more importantly, given the fake news's emphasis on covid, none of them mentioned that he was double-vaxed. Classic omission of relevant facts to support The Narrative.

When you die of an illness you have been vaccinated against, what does that say about the "vaccine"? I don't hear of many measles or smallpox deaths these days.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2615889]Correct! Crane operators make up to $250,000 a year and work 5-6 hours a day (they really like their lunches). This is a simple matter of a powerful, greedy, corrupt union flexing its muscles during the national emergency. It's time something was done about it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's not like crane operators do anything worthwhile. California needs to give that money to Mexican / Guatemalan / Haitian /(insert shithole) illegals and government makework diversity hire employees.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2615345]"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do. " - Donald J. Trump (Shit) on Wednesday, October 13th. . . . [/QUOTE]

But you left out the best part, where after he finishes pitching himself as the [i]"saviour"[/i] of the GOP/QOP and the NRCC fundraising arm, for the Republicans, sent out threatening text messages to "prospective donors" (aka. the gullible base) and were told the following:

[QUOTE][i]You're a traitor...

You abandoned Trump. We were told you were a tried & true, lifelong patriot. But when Trump said he'd run for President if took back the House from Nancy Pelosi ... you did nothing. Was Trump wrong about you.

This is your final chance to prove your loyalty or be branded a deserter. Were giving you one final chance to stand with Trump. You only have 17 min >>>. [/i]

[URL]https://nationalfile.com/gop-fundraising-text-youre-a-traitor-and-deserter-who-must-prove-your-loyalty-to-trump-by-sending-cash-to-nrcc/[/URL][/QUOTE]

Agent Orange, brandishes and scolds his base as "traitors", for not donating money...kkkk (You just can't make shit this up!) This has got to be one of the the best grifts of all time, in American History?

So GOP/QOP members don't forget to bow down to your orange [i]"saviour"[/i] and [b]more importantly DONATE NOW[/b]...or be labeled a traitor.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2615802]He tried to make up for stupidly going along with GW Bush's scam to become a "wartime president" as a means to improve his chances of winning a 2nd term so he could produce even worse results than he produced during his first term by endorsing Barack Obama for POTUS.

That was the right thing to do, of course, and it certainly turned out great for America. But this bit where Repubs suddenly see the light and try to make amends too little too late AFTER they are out of office for producing their typical Repub crap results DURING their time in office is bullshit.

Now karma strikes as Trump's classic Repub incompetence, corruption, cowardice and lies, all of GW Bush's usual Repub attributes but on steroids and this time in perfect sync with Xi, killed him. Yes, RIP.[/QUOTE]He endorsed LOL (not that it ever had any value to anyone) a cocaine using race hustler from "the hood" in Chicago, over a decorated Vietnam vet and POW.

I hope he has fun rotting in hell, good riddance Rumsfeld Powell, now 43, Cheney and see Rice are way way overdo for their final exits.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2615900]He endorsed LOL (not that it ever had any value to anyone) a cocaine using race hustler from "the hood" in Chicago, over a decorated Vietnam vet and POW.

I hope he has fun rotting in hell, good riddance Rumsfeld Powell, now 43, Cheney and see Rice are way way overdo for their final exits.[/QUOTE]How the hell is Cheney still alive? Must be some combination of virgin blood, adrenochrome, and a pact with Lucifer.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2615891]Yeah, it's not like crane operators do anything worthwhile. California needs to give that money to Mexican / Guatemalan / Haitian /(insert shithole) illegals and government makework diversity hire employees.[/QUOTE]Once again, like a good little fascist, you miss the issue entirely.

The California fascist posted a typically BS lie about the cause of the port backlog in CA. The truth, which can be found in [B]industry publications[/B], explains the problem. Nowhere in those publications is the QOP BS mentioned.

The crane operator problem was mentioned in those pubs, by the way.

But, fascists prefer simple-minded answers. Thus, your answer.

Fascists would prefer to not get vaccinated so they can get fired and collect the unemployment they (and you) complain about. Or take one of those minimum-wage jobs they (and you) think everybody ought to be glad to have. Typical QOP short bus logic.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2615900]He endorsed LOL (not that it ever had any value to anyone) a cocaine using race hustler from "the hood" in Chicago, over a decorated Vietnam vet and POW.

I hope he has fun rotting in hell, good riddance Rumsfeld Powell, now 43, Cheney and see Rice are way way overdo for their final exits.[/QUOTE]Actually, McCain tried desperately to get Powell's endorsement and lifelong Repub Powell was supposedly on the fence about it until McCain proved how cravenly power hungry he was to "win" at the grave expense of America when he chose numbskull Trump precursor numbskull Sarah Palin as his "one heartbeat away" from taking over from the elderly cancer patient at the top of the ticket.

As a lifelong Repub he knew very well and immediately recognized in her the America-hating "Frankenstein Monster" his Party had spent decades creating and nurturing.

Clearly, YOU felt badly burned by the endorsement and are still in pain over it, so it must have had tremendous value to YOU too. LOL.

But it was too late for Powell to stop the "Monster." Yeah, he endorsed Dems ever since, perhaps hoping to keep himself from rotting in the hell you mentioned for the horrific damage he did to America previously as a Genuine Republican appointed to an office of significant power.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2615890]The real story in all of this is yet another fake news scam lie by omission.

The headlines scream "Dead of Covid!" yet the guy was 84 and suffering from advanced myeloma (cancer) so was sadly on the way out anyway.

But more importantly, given the fake news's emphasis on covid, none of them mentioned that he was double-vaxed. Classic omission of relevant facts to support The Narrative.

When you die of an illness you have been vaccinated against, what does that say about the "vaccine"? I don't hear of many measles or smallpox deaths these days.[/QUOTE]I did a Google Search on simply "Powell dies" and the links below were the first half dozen news reports that came up. If I had checked out the next half dozen I am pretty sure they would all have reported it the same way;.

Of "complications" of Covid, not of "Covid." And they are all quick to mention his age, his cancer and that he had been vaccinated, generally pointing out that he had been 'fully" vaccinated.

Do you have any links for the reports of Powell's death where none of those factors are mentioned? I'd love to finally see a shred of evidence for "The Narrative" of which you speak. Maybe I didn't dig deeply enough to unearth whatever weird blogs you've been reading.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/18/politics/colin-powell-dies/index.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-secretary-state-colin-powell-dies-covid-complications-n1281746[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4[/URL]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/18/general-colin-powell-obit-036445[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex-joint-chiefs-staff-powell-dies-covid-complications-facebook-post-2021-10-18/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/politics/colin-powell-dead.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2616011]I did a Google Search on simply "Powell dies" and the links below were the first half dozen news reports that came up. If I had checked out the next half dozen I am pretty sure they would all have reported it the same way;.

Of "complications" of Covid, not of "Covid." And they are all quick to mention his age, his cancer and that he had been vaccinated, generally pointing out that he had been 'fully" vaccinated.

Do you have any links for the reports of Powell's death where none of those factors are mentioned? I'd love to finally see a shred of evidence for "The Narrative" of which you speak. Maybe I didn't dig deeply enough to unearth whatever weird blogs you've been reading.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/18/politics/colin-powell-dies/index.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-secretary-state-colin-powell-dies-covid-complications-n1281746[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Don't forget that Chrissie believes the QOP "of COVID" versus "with COVID" fairytale. He, of course, forgets that COVID has mutated so much (primarily because of anti-mask, anti-vax and anti-everybody-but-myself idiots) that it is now far more infectious to a wider range of people than the original strain.

But that's short bus fascist logic for you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2616011]I did a Google Search on simply "Powell dies" and the links below were the first half dozen news reports that came up. If I had checked out the next half dozen I am pretty sure they would all have reported it the same way;.

Of "complications" of Covid, not of "Covid." And they are all quick to mention his age, his cancer and that he had been vaccinated, generally pointing out that he had been 'fully" vaccinated.

Do you have any links for the reports of Powell's death where none of those factors are mentioned? I'd love to finally see a shred of evidence for "The Narrative" of which you speak. Maybe I didn't dig deeply enough to unearth whatever weird blogs you've been reading.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/18/politics/colin-powell-dies/index.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-secretary-state-colin-powell-dies-covid-complications-n1281746[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4[/URL]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/18/general-colin-powell-obit-036445[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex-joint-chiefs-staff-powell-dies-covid-complications-facebook-post-2021-10-18/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/politics/colin-powell-dead.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Later reports were updated to mention it because so many people in the real news called them out in the hours after the death.

Besides, most people will only read the headlines, which all say "died of covid", not "died of covid despite being double vaxed".

Now an answer to the question: When you die of an illness you have been "vaccinated" against, what does that say about the "vaccine"?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2616171]He, of course, forgets that COVID has mutated so much (primarily because of anti-mask, anti-vax and anti-everybody-but-myself idiots) that it is now far more infectious to a wider range of people than the original strain.[/QUOTE]More utterly baseless tripe from the DD (unfortunately not the kind of DD that we appreciate on this board, but Dem). Insofar as covid has "mutated" at all, it has nothing to do with masks or vax.

Cloth masks have been shown not to work in providing protection. The only reason leftist authorities insist on them is that wearing them is an act of subservient, unthinking obedience by the little people.

That is why at events such as Pelosi's recent fundraiser, all her wealthy donor pals (many of whom are in the age bracket that should be afraid of covid) didn't social distance and went maskless, while the servants were forced to scuttle around in face diapers to demonstrate their lowly status.

And the vax doesn't work either. It wears off after a couple of months. Completely useless.

So now the democrat / fake news plan is to enforce regular shots of their gene therapy for life, all monitored by a Big Brother-style "vaccine passport" that their fellow communists in the East German Stasi could only have dreamed of.

Their dream is of a society in which they control a mass of vaxed, chipped, masked serfs, having stripped away all of our constitutional freedoms (particularly the most important two: the First and Second Amendment), with endless third world illegal voters and fake rigged mail-in ballots to ensure their power forever.

What was it Jefferson said about the tree of liberty?

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/[/URL]

Title: Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States.

"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated."

This exhaustive study shows that the higher the level of vaccination, the more covid cases per million.

LOL.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616278]Their dream is of a society in which they control a mass of vaxed, chipped, masked serfs, having stripped away all of our constitutional freedoms (particularly the most important two: the First and Second Amendment), with endless third world illegal voters and fake rigged mail-in ballots to ensure their power forever.

What was it Jefferson said about the tree of liberty?[/QUOTE]I was arguing with this democrat on Quora who had the nerve to say that Republicans don't uphold the constitution but the Democrats do. I could not believe they could even think of something like that. I told the person that the democrats don't care about the 1st because they want to censor and ban everything, they also don't care about the 2nd obviously.

Some of these Democrats I argue with on Quora also think the Democrats are not trying to Ban guns, I mean how could they even think that.

I always call them out on so many things and never get any responses.

The best is the ones where they claim Trump lies all the time, I ask many of them to tell me some of these lies that Trump has made because I'm just not hearing them. The best answer from someone was he lied to people about that covid was not highly contagious to not cause a panic. OK, but geez, Trump did that purposely for a reason and that is the best they can tell me when they claim Trump lies all the time.

The other thing I have argued with so many people is that Trump told raffensperger to make up votes for him. They claim Trump saying "go find me XXX amount of votes means Trump committed a crime. To me it was obvious Trump was talking about finding illegal ballots. Even if Trump said to go find him ballots that is not even illegal. Even pressuring him is not illegal as Trump can pressure someone to go find fraud.

You have to understand that Democrats are Democrats because they lack any rational thinking. They clearly can't think rationally or they would be a democrat. Unless of course they specifically want democrat policies to turn USA into a communist country and like to see all of USA culture destroyed and replaced with 3rd worlders. They don't say this though, they think the Democrats are actually helping the country somehow. To me its clear as day that the democrats are changing the demographics of the USA into a country filled with mostly 3rd world people and this country will turn more third world.

The IQ level will dumb down, crime will rise, violence will increase and especially towards women, scientific achievements will decline, shortages will result, everyone will be poorer. This is what happens when you replace the demographics with dependent 3rd worlders, you turn the country into the country they left.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616252]Later reports were updated to mention it because so many people in the real news called them out in the hours after the death.

Besides, most people will only read the headlines, which all say "died of covid", not "died of covid despite being double vaxed".

Now an answer to the question: When you die of an illness you have been "vaccinated" against, what does that say about the "vaccine"?[/QUOTE]Actually, all but 1 of the 6 links I provided clearly use the word "complications" right there in their headline and one uses it in the sub-headline immediately under the top headline before the date of the posting and the body of the report.

It's not really possible to miss it even if you are the laziest reader imaginable and, weirdly, expect all the peritinent and relevant details of a news report to somehow be jam packed into the headline.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616279][URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/[/URL]

Title: Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States.

"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated."

This exhaustive study shows that the higher the level of vaccination, the more covid cases per million.

LOL.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated and therefore drop or relax their previous mitigation efforts, open businesses and schools, begin to meet in crowded conditions again and so on? I would.

But that isn't what these vaccines were expected to prevent since the more virulent variants emerged. They are expected to prevent death or serious illness requiring hospitalization after being exposed to and acquiring the virus.

And they are accomplishing that latter goal quite effectively. Oh, except among the unvaccinated who are also dropping or relaxing the mitigation efforts as much or more than the vaccinated with, well, the predictable results.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2616011]I did a Google Search on simply "Powell dies" and the links below were the first half dozen news reports that came up. If I had checked out the next half dozen I am pretty sure they would all have reported it the same way;.

Of "complications" of Covid, not of "Covid." And they are all quick to mention his age, his cancer and that he had been vaccinated, generally pointing out that he had been 'fully" vaccinated.

Do you have any links for the reports of Powell's death where none of those factors are mentioned? I'd love to finally see a shred of evidence for "The Narrative" of which you speak. Maybe I didn't dig deeply enough to unearth whatever weird blogs you've been reading.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/18/politics/colin-powell-dies/index.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-secretary-state-colin-powell-dies-covid-complications-n1281746[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4[/URL].[/QUOTE]Tucker Carlson left Powell's cancer out of his monologue, while accusing "the liberal media" of lying while he himself is the liar, propagandist, and fake news. Chris just recycles this sort of content.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616278]...
Cloth masks have been shown not to work in providing protection. The only reason leftist authorities insist on them is that wearing them is an act of subservient, unthinking obedience by the little people.

That is why at events such as Pelosi's recent fundraiser, all her wealthy donor pals (many of whom are in the age bracket that should be afraid of covid) didn't social distance and went maskless, while the servants were forced to scuttle around in face diapers to demonstrate their lowly status.
...[/QUOTE]Wouldn't that be because at any such event the guests are the ones who will mostly remain among their related or table group, eating and drinking while the servers are the ones who will be moving around from person to person doing the, you know, serving and none of the eating and drinking?

Just sayin'.

Btw, are you worried that after Americans are transformed into subservient, unthinking, obedient slaves by wearing masks to help prevent the spread of an air borne deadly virus that they will then subserviently, unthinkingly and obediently vote for Dems in order to enjoy more Great Dem Economic Expansions and Historic USA Jobs Creation rather than subserviently, unthinkingly and obediently vote for Repubs in order to plunge us into more Great Repub Crashes, Recessions and Massive USA Job Destruction?

Damn, I hope you're right about that.

Next, we command them to stop wearing black knee socks with shorts and sandals. But that's a distant second.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616278]More utterly baseless tripe from the DD (unfortunately not the kind of DD that we appreciate on this board, but Dem). Insofar as covid has "mutated" at all, it has nothing to do with masks or vax.

Cloth masks have been shown not to work in providing protection. The only reason leftist authorities insist on them is that wearing them is an act of subservient, unthinking obedience by the little people.

That is why at events such as Pelosi's recent fundraiser, all her wealthy donor pals (many of whom are in the age bracket that should be afraid of covid) didn't social distance and went maskless, while the servants were forced to scuttle around in face diapers to demonstrate their lowly status.

And the vax doesn't work either. It wears off after a couple of months. Completely useless.

So now the democrat / fake news plan is to enforce regular shots of their gene therapy for life, all monitored by a Big Brother-style "vaccine passport" that their fellow communists in the East German Stasi could only have dreamed of.

Their dream is of a society in which they control a mass of vaxed, chipped, masked serfs, having stripped away all of our constitutional freedoms (particularly the most important two: the First and Second Amendment), with endless third world illegal voters and fake rigged mail-in ballots to ensure their power forever.

What was it Jefferson said about the tree of liberty?[/QUOTE]Here are 49 studies that prove [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]: [URL]https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/[/URL].

But we all know that he will cry "fake news" 'cause the QOP fascists always yell lügenpresse. When confronted with the truth.

And he is still using his favorite short bus term "douche" to refer to anybody with a brain.

Chrissie, the king of the QOP short bus, says that the vaccine is worthless and that mutations of COVID don't matter. "Insofar as covid has "mutated" at all, it has nothing to do with masks or vax."

But even the article that he used to "prove" his lies said (bolding mine): "The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, [B]especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants[/B]." says that his assertion is horsehockey.

The personification of QOP short bus logic.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616252]...
Now an answer to the question: When you die of an illness you have been "vaccinated" against, what does that say about the "vaccine"?[/QUOTE]In this case, it says that recent scientific studies indicating people with Multiple Meyaloma have only a 45% chance of attaining an "adequate" protective response from the COVID-19 vaccines and even less than that among older patients, pretty much nailed it.

[B]Response to mRNA vaccination for COVID-19 among patients with multiple myeloma[/B]
July 29,2021.
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01354-7[/URL]
[QUOTE]Only 45% of active MM patients developed an adequate response, while 22% had a partial response. Lower spike antibody levels were associated with older age, impaired renal function, low lymphocyte counts, reduced uninvolved immunoglobulin levels, > second line of treatment, and among those not in complete remission.[/QUOTE]

"Wonderful to see Colin Powell, who made big mistakes on Iraq and famously, so-called weapons of mass destruction, be treated in death so beautifully by the Fake News Media," Trump said in a statement released Tuesday morning. "Hope that happens to me someday. He was a classic RINO, if even that, always being the first to attack other Republicans. He made plenty of mistakes, but anyway, may he rest in peace!" - TrumpShit 10/19/2021.

Always being the first to attack other republicans.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2616316]Tucker Carlson left Powell's cancer out of his monologue.[/QUOTE]I learned about Powell's cancer by watching Tucker Carlson. You must have seen an edited version of his monologue on MSNBC or CNN.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2615989]Actually, McCain tried desperately to get Powell's endorsement and lifelong Repub Powell was supposedly on the fence about it until McCain proved how cravenly power hungry he was to "win" at the grave expense of America when he chose numbskull Trump precursor numbskull Sarah Palin as his "one heartbeat away" from taking over from the elderly cancer patient at the top of the ticket.

As a lifelong Repub he knew very well and immediately recognized in her the America-hating "Frankenstein Monster" his Party had spent decades creating and nurturing.

Clearly, YOU felt badly burned by the endorsement and are still in pain over it, so it must have had tremendous value to YOU too. LOL.

But it was too late for Powell to stop the "Monster." Yeah, he endorsed Dems ever since, perhaps hoping to keep himself from rotting in the hell you mentioned for the horrific damage he did to America previously as a Genuine Republican appointed to an office of significant power.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/20/morning-greatness-biden-approval-drops-to-37-percent/[/URL]

How low can he go? LMAO it hasn't even been 9 fucking months ROTFLMFAO!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2616560]I learned about Powell's cancer by watching Tucker Carlson. You must have seen an edited version of his monologue on MSNBC or CNN.[/QUOTE]I have no idea why people post falsehoods when a 5-second internet search proves them wrong. [URL]https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2407401184142/tucker-carlson-admits-he-left-out-colin-powell-s-health-problems-after-using-his-death-to-claim-vaccine-effectiveness-is-a-lie[/URL].

Fox News host Tucker Carlson admitted to omitting Colin Powell's health complications after using his death to rail against the effectiveness of coronavirus vaccines. On Monday, Carlson led his show with the news from Powell's family that he died of Covid complications at the age of 84. Carlson honed in on the fact that the former secretary of state died despite being fully vaccinated against Covid, saying "that fact does not make his death any less sad nor is it unusual. Many thousands of vaccinated Americans have died of Covid. "

I wonder if this Fux "News" clown realizes that the former guy's Operation Dork Speed developed useless vaccines. The former guy to his cabinet: "Let's develop vaccines so rapidly that they're useless. My supporters are so dumb that they won't notice."

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2616540]"Wonderful to see Colin Powell, who made big mistakes on Iraq and famously, so-called weapons of mass destruction, be treated in death so beautifully by the Fake News Media," Trump said in a statement released Tuesday morning. "Hope that happens to me someday. He was a classic RINO, if even that, always being the first to attack other Republicans. He made plenty of mistakes, but anyway, may he rest in peace!" - TrumpShit 10/19/2021.

Always being the first to attack other republicans.[/QUOTE]Of course, Powell was a Genuine Republican and not a RINO when he stupidly went along with the Bush/Repub lies about WMD and plunged us into another Repub quagmire no win war.

He only became a RINO when he started looking for ways to avoid the eternal agony of Hell as punishment for the damage he did to America as a Genuine Repub political appointee by other Genuine Repubs.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2616560]I learned about Powell's cancer by watching Tucker Carlson. You must have seen an edited version of his monologue on MSNBC or CNN.[/QUOTE]Did he mention it in the very first sentence of his monologue or, more to the point, in the introduction of his monologue?

The idea is unless he did that as in a headline then he was only reporting "Fake News" because nobody reads or listens to anything other than the headlines and the introductions to monologues. Maybe the very first sentence qualifies.

If he didn't mention it until after the introduction and first sentence of his monologue, that doesn't count as being truthful and honest according to the winger premise here.

[QUOTE=Edward5;2616299]I was arguing with this democrat on Quora who had the nerve to say that Republicans don't uphold the constitution but the Democrats do. I could not believe they could even think of something like that. I told the person that the democrats don't care about the 1st because they want to censor and ban everything, they also don't care about the 2nd obviously.

Some of these Democrats I argue with on Quora also think the Democrats are not trying to Ban guns, I mean how could they even think that.

I always call them out on so many things and never get any responses.

The best is the ones where they claim Trump lies all the time, I ask many of them to tell me some of these lies that Trump has made because I'm just not hearing them. The best answer from someone was he lied to people about that covid was not highly contagious to not cause a panic. OK, but geez, Trump did that purposely for a reason and that is the best they can tell me when they claim Trump lies all the time.

The other thing I have argued with so many people is that Trump told raffensperger to make up votes for him. They claim Trump saying "go find me XXX amount of votes means Trump committed a crime. To me it was obvious Trump was talking about finding illegal ballots. Even if Trump said to go find him ballots that is not even illegal. Even pressuring him is not illegal as Trump can pressure someone to go find fraud.[/QUOTE]Excellent post, the last two paragraphs in particular.

We are mostly well-travelled gentlemen on these boards, and we have experienced first hand how the third world works, or rather doesn't. The economic dislocation, the lack of basic services, the corruption, the poverty, the general lack of initiative.

As you correctly say, a society is a function of the human capital within it. It is no coincidence that cities in Haiti are very similar to cities in sub-Saharan Africa because they are populated by people of a similar background and low average IQ.

If we allow ourselves to be demographically overrun. As is deliberately happening right now, with Biden's handlers throwing open the border and preventing ICE from doing its job. We will end up with a similar society.

Of course, the elites, people like Nancy Pelosi, Jeff Bezos, Zuckerberg etc, are happy about this. In every third world country there is a tiny, powerful, super-wealthy group at the top. But there is no middle class, who can challenge and hold that group accountable. All that exists below them is a mass of serfs, too stupid, broke and downtrodden to do anything about the situation.

That is the situation the democrat / corporate / Big Tech / fake media lobby want. Rigged "mail-in" elections and totally fake news along with chickenfeed welfare handouts for the third world serfs, to keep them in power forever. And if the low IQ masses ever get a little unruly, they can tell them white people are to blame, let the mob murder a few (as in southern Africa) and the anger will subside.

Americans need to fight like hell against this outcome while we still can.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2616768]Did he mention it in the very first sentence of his monologue or, more to the point, in the introduction of his monologue?

The idea is unless he did that as in a headline then he was only reporting "Fake News" because nobody reads or listens to anything other than the headlines and the introductions to monologues. Maybe the very first sentence qualifies.

If he didn't mention it until after the introduction and first sentence of his monologue, that doesn't count as being truthful and honest according to the winger premise here.[/QUOTE]No, that is obviously disingenuous rubbish. If people have tuned into Tucker Carlson. As many millions do making his show the #1 rated in cable. They will not suddenly stop listening halfway through his monologue.

By contrast, when browsing through the internet, most people simply glance at news headlines without clicking the link and reading the whole thing. If they do click it, many will only read the first paragraph or two. That is why the fake news bury most important information that goes against The Narrative down at the very bottom, if they mention it at all.

As for saying "covid complications", most casual readers will just see "covid". A more truthful headline would have read "Powell, 84, dies after cancer battle". Or if they were going to mention covid: "Powell, 84, dies of cancer with covid complications despite being vaccinated".

But of course they didn't want casual browsers to see that Powell had cancer, or had been vaccinated, or even how old he was. They just wanted people to think he dropped dead of nothing other than covid, thus inflating its danger in the minds of normal people far more than is actually the case. That is how The Fake Narrative is perpetuated by the fake media.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2616308]Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated [/QUOTE]No. No, I wouldn't. And nor would anyone with an IQ above 70.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2616319]Wouldn't that be because at any such event the guests are the ones who will mostly remain among their related or table group, eating and drinking while the servers are the ones who will be moving around from person to person doing the, you know, serving and none of the eating and drinking?
[/QUOTE]That's almost as weak as your earlier claim that it is totally expected for case numbers of any virus to rise after more people get vaccinated. Proper clownworld material.

The answer is no. The wealthy donors didn't social distance at the table, and of course after the meal they were mingling with each other. The reason they didn't wear masks is to show that they are the elites to whom the rules do not apply, while their servants must be vaxed, masked and chipped like pets. Or perhaps more accurately, cattle.

Seriously, Pelosi is 80 years old. We've all seen the scare stories about people her age. Yet she doesn't wear a mask when the cameras are off; she goes maskless to the salon (in secret) and has huge maskless donor events at her vast estate (how did a government official get so rich? Hmm, ask Maxine Waters I guess? Why isn't she as terrified of dying from covid as she insists all the little people should be?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2616349]In this case, it says that recent scientific studies indicating people with Multiple Meyaloma have only a 45% chance of attaining an "adequate" protective response from the COVID-19 vaccines and even less than that among older patients, pretty much nailed it.

[B]Response to mRNA vaccination for COVID-19 among patients with multiple myeloma[/B]
July 29,2021.
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01354-7[/URL][/QUOTE]Everyone has a less than 45% chance of attaining a protective response from the worthless "vaccine", because it stops working after a couple of months (and even during those months it is only marginal).

We have been sold a bill of goods. The promise was that this "vaccine" would wipe out the virus, like the measles, smallpox, rubella and other real vaccines, and we would get back to normal. It was a complete and utter fraud and a lie. Fauci lied again, just like his claim that you could get AIDS from a cereal box. He needs to be removed from office and criminally investigated for his mendacity and his funding of the virus in the first place.

You realize that while all of you argue yourselves into a civil war like tizzy and have not been paying attention.

The Chinese have hacked all your credit profiles, text messages, millions of medical records, phone records, financial records, and now have millions of you under facial recognition. They also have surpassed you by far in AI that makes military spending head towards irrelevance.

Our intelligence community has an understanding that at this time there is probably a Chinese Dossier on every American citizen.

In another words. While the infighting never ends and you look at your fellow citizen as your enemy your lunch has been eaten.

Maybe that was by design.

Democrats or Republicans it won't really matter. Your still the advisory of the Chinese communist party and they have beaten you by exploiting your beating on each other from within.

Now let's get back to mongering and enjoy puss while we can.

But we all know that he will cry "fake news" 'cause the QOP fascists always yell lgenpresse. When confronted with the truth.

And he is still using his favorite short bus term "douche" to refer to anybody with a brain.

Lugenpresse? Seriously? Every time I post something with a link that isn't NYT or MSNBC the fools on the left that wouldn't dare attack the substance of the article rather.

They try to attack and discredit the source ala Newsmax Fox or anything that doesn't agree with their retarded agenda aka lugenpresse.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616793]No, that is obviously disingenuous rubbish. If people have tuned into Tucker Carlson. As many millions do making his show the #1 rated in cable. They will not suddenly stop listening halfway through his monologue.

By contrast, when browsing through the internet, most people simply glance at news headlines without clicking the link and reading the whole thing. If they do click it, many will only read the first paragraph or two. That is why the fake news bury most important information that goes against The Narrative down at the very bottom, if they mention it at all.

As for saying "covid complications", most casual readers will just see "covid". A more truthful headline would have read "Powell, 84, dies after cancer battle". Or if they were going to mention covid: "Powell, 84, dies of cancer with covid complications despite being vaccinated".

But of course they didn't want casual browsers to see that Powell had cancer, or had been vaccinated, or even how old he was. They just wanted people to think he dropped dead of nothing other than covid, thus inflating its danger in the minds of normal people far more than is actually the case. That is how The Fake Narrative is perpetuated by the fake media.[/QUOTE]Who cares how many brain-dead cultists watch Fux "News"?

I have no idea why people post falsehoods when a 5-second internet search proves them wrong. [URL]https://www.newsbreak.com/news/24074...eness-is-a-lie.[/URL].

Fox News host Tucker Carlson admitted to omitting Colin Powell's health complications after using his death to rail against the effectiveness of coronavirus vaccines. On Monday, Carlson led his show with the news from Powell's family that he died of Covid complications at the age of 84. Carlson honed in on the fact that the former secretary of state died despite being fully vaccinated against Covid, saying "that fact does not make his death any less sad nor is it unusual. Many thousands of vaccinated Americans have died of Covid."

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616855]Everyone has a less than 45% chance of attaining a protective response from the worthless "vaccine", because it stops working after a couple of months (and even during those months it is only marginal).

We have been sold a bill of goods. The promise was that this "vaccine" would wipe out the virus, like the measles, smallpox, rubella and other real vaccines, and we would get back to normal. It was a complete and utter fraud and a lie. Fauci lied again, just like his claim that you could get AIDS from a cereal box. He needs to be removed from office and criminally investigated for his mendacity and his funding of the virus in the first place.[/QUOTE]Thank you for admitting that Operation Dork Speed produced worthless vaccines. Who was President when Operation Dork Speed was conceived? Do you blame him for this mess?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616854]That's almost as weak as your earlier claim that it is totally expected for case numbers of any virus to rise after more people get vaccinated. Proper clownworld material.

The answer is no. The wealthy donors didn't social distance at the table, and of course after the meal they were mingling with each other. The reason they didn't wear masks is to show that they are the elites to whom the rules do not apply, while their servants must be vaxed, masked and chipped like pets. Or perhaps more accurately, cattle.

Seriously, Pelosi is 80 years old. We've all seen the scare stories about people her age. Yet she doesn't wear a mask when the cameras are off; she goes maskless to the salon (in secret) and has huge maskless donor events at her vast estate (how did a government official get so rich? Hmm, ask Maxine Waters I guess? Why isn't she as terrified of dying from covid as she insists all the little people should be?[/QUOTE]Here we define "Meaningless, petty concern."

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2616855]Everyone has a less than 45% chance of attaining a protective response from the worthless "vaccine", because it stops working after a couple of months (and even during those months it is only marginal).

We have been sold a bill of goods. The promise was that this "vaccine" would wipe out the virus, like the measles, smallpox, rubella and other real vaccines, and we would get back to normal. It was a complete and utter fraud and a lie. Fauci lied again, just like his claim that you could get AIDS from a cereal box. He needs to be removed from office and criminally investigated for his mendacity and his funding of the virus in the first place.[/QUOTE]You obviously haven't got the slightest clue how a vaccine for Trump's Pandemic virus or any other virus works. It does not produce a magical, invisible, protective bubble around you to prevent a virus from entering your body via the nose, mouth, eyes, ears, urethra, ass or open wound. It also does not "wipe out" all the virus particles circulating in the air and moving from person to person.

No, it works on the premise that the virus WILL someday enter your body via whatever orifice that particular virus prefers (at which point you WILL possibly test positive for it, btw) but that WHEN it does your body will have by then built up an effective immune response to it strong enough to prevent it from overwhelming your bodily functions, making you very, very sick, requiring hospitalization, taking up beds and staff attention that ordinary non virus-related injuries and sicknesses for which there are NO effective vaccines may require or dying from it.

Ya' see, that is why more positive COVID-19 test cases would naturally be expected in the population after more people are vaccinated and are no longer being as careful about wearing masks, social distancing and so on since, lo' and behold, their getting vaccinated has made it so their chances of getting very sick, requiring hospitalization and/or dying WHEN the virus enters their body is very small, even if they are in their 60's, 70's, 80's etc. Unless they have an immunity response weakening condition like Multiple Myeloma as Colin Powell had.

Hey, guess what, the measles virus, chicken pox virus and other viruses still exist! And we are all still exposed to them! Whoever told you they don't exist anymore because they were "wiped out" by vaccines is the one who sold you a bill of goods. However, since I have been vaccinated against measles, chicken pox and so on, I won't get sick, break out in bumps or shingles or experience any other signs of illness WHEN I am exposed to those viruses.

Sorry, there is no magical, invisible, protective bubble around my body keeping those viruses away from me and preventing me from getting sick from them. The vaccines I took as a kid caused my body to accomplish that fantastic response.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2616958]But we all know that he will cry "fake news" 'cause the QOP fascists always yell lgenpresse. When confronted with the truth.

And he is still using his favorite short bus term "douche" to refer to anybody with a brain.

Lugenpresse? Seriously? Every time I post something with a link that isn't NYT or MSNBC the fools on the left that wouldn't dare attack the substance of the article rather.

They try to attack and discredit the source ala Newsmax Fox or anything that doesn't agree with their retarded agenda aka lugenpresse.[/QUOTE]Evidently you have no clue as to the meaning of "lügenpresse". Look it up. (Hint: lügenpresse was the former guy's favorite term).

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2616962]Thank you for admitting that Operation Dork Speed produced worthless vaccines. Who was President when Operation Dork Speed was conceived? Do you blame him for this mess?[/QUOTE]I guess that's why dumbass Biden is making them mandatory because they don't work. I don't mind you picking a side but you can't have it both ways. Condemn Trump but praise Biden for the same vaccines.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2617106]I guess that's why dumbass Biden is making them mandatory because they don't work. I don't mind you picking a side but you can't have it both ways. Condemn Trump but praise Biden for the same vaccines.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure PVM was lampooning CP's praise of Trump vs his denigrating of Biden. I believe it was CP who falsely equated the fading of preventing infection over time with the concept of fading prevention of serious illness or death, which the current vaccines show little or no signs of doing, in order to falsely claim the vaccines don't work.

There is a huge difference between preventing "infection" (as I explained in my previous post), which many vaccines don't do very well, and preventing "serious illness or death", which so far the vaccines Biden made easily available for free to every American continue to do very well over time:

[B]Vaccines show declining effectiveness against infection overall but strong protection against hospitalization amid delta variant.
Results from a trio of studies, published in the CDCs weekly report, motivated the Biden administration to consider booster shots[/B]
Aug. 18,2021.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/18/covid-vaccine-effectiveness/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Three studies published Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that protection against the coronavirus given by vaccines declined in the midsummer months when the more contagious delta variant rose to dominance in the United States.

[b]At the same time, protection against hospitalization was strong for weeks after vaccination, indicating the shots will generate immune fighters that stave off the worst effects of the virus and its current variations.[/b]
...
Examining numerous cohorts through the end of July and early August, three points are now very clear, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said at a White House covid-19 news briefing Wednesday. First, vaccine-induced protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection begins to decrease over time. [b]Second, vaccine effectiveness against severe disease, hospitalization and death remains relatively high.[/b] And third, vaccine effectiveness is generally decreased against the delta variant.
...
The third report, an analysis of patients at 21 hospitals in 18 states, [b]found sustained protection against hospitalization. Effectiveness was steady at 86 percent, even in the midsummer months when delta outcompeted other variants of concern. For adults who do not have compromised immune systems, that effectiveness stood at 90 percent.[/b][/QUOTE]

[b]Covid vaccines remain stunningly effective, even as delta concerns grow[/b]
Sept. 1, 2021
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/01/are-covid-vaccines-becoming-less-effective-.html
[quote]Covid-19 vaccines are still stunningly effective despite fears that immunity may dwindle over time, experts have said.

There have been some concerns about the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines after a number of recent studies indicated a growing number of breakthrough Covid cases among the fully vaccinated.

[b]Studies have shown that the fully vaccinated are still highly protected against severe infection, hospitalization and death caused by the virus.[/b][/quote]

[b]Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines so far significantly reduce severe illness and hospitalization[/b]
By Reuters Fact Check, Aug. 6, 2021
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-reduce-idUSL1N2PC2O9
[quote]In the U.S., unvaccinated people represent nearly 97% of severe cases, according to the White House COVID-19 Response Team (here).[/quote]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2617123]I'm pretty sure PVM was lampooning CP's praise of Trump vs his denigrating of Biden. I believe it was CP who falsely equated the fading of preventing infection over time with the concept of fading prevention of serious illness or death, which the current vaccines show little or no signs of doing, in order to falsely claim the vaccines don't work.[/QUOTE]Houston Player is just a rookie.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2617106]I guess that's why dumbass Biden is making them mandatory because they don't work. I don't mind you picking a side but you can't have it both ways. Condemn Trump but praise Biden for the same vaccines.[/QUOTE]You and every other fascist who posts here were singing the praises of the former guy and Operation Dork Speed when the vaccines first came out. "Nobody else could have done that", you said. "Vaccines take 10+ years to develop and our orange hero did it in less than a year" you said. "The vaccines prove he's a miracle worker", you said.

Fast forward 18 months and you fascists are saying "The vaccines are worthless".

Exactly who is changing their position? The former guy and Operation Dork Speed either did a good job or they didn't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2617087]You obviously haven't got the slightest clue how a vaccine for China's Pandemic virus or any other virus works.[/QUOTE]Yes, I do. You see, once you've had the measles virus, or the rubella virus, you don't get measles or rubella. See how that works?

None of the acreage of turgid wordsludge you just typed can alter the fact that as I have already shown, the so-called "covid vaccine" doesn't do that.

It may offer some limited protection from the worst effects for a couple of months, but even that wears off quickly. As opposed to the measles, or yellow fever, or any other actual vaccine, where you take it once and you're fully protected for life.

Seriously, take a step back and look objectively at what you just said: [B]"Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated"[/B].

If there were a greater spread of measles after the measles vaccine was introduced, or a greater spread of yellow fever after the yellow fever virus was introduced, or a great spread of smallpox after the smallpox vaccine was introduced, doncha think someone might just have, um, said something?

But of course those vaccines were developed in the days in which we lived in reality.

Nowadays a man can put on a wig and he's "a woman"; Hunter Biden can take kickbacks from China and Ukraine with "10% for the big guy" and nothing happens; pallots of hundreds of thousands of ballots 98% for Biden can show up in democrat cities at 4 am on election night when he's way behind; Ilhan Omar can marry her brother in an immigration scam and she's a stunning, brave hero.

So it's no surprise that in modern day Emperor's New Clothes clownworld, the fake media and its brainwashed acolytes pretend that a "vaccine" (actually untested gene therapy) "works" when it actually causes a greater spread of the virus it's supposed to be stopping.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2617106]I guess that's why dumbass Biden is making them mandatory because they don't work. I don't mind you picking a side but you can't have it both ways. Condemn Trump but praise Biden for the same vaccines.[/QUOTE]His hypocrisy is so egregious he simply has cognitive dissonance.

But this is a deeper issue than Trump, Biden or any other individual.

This entire covid scam is part of a movement by a tiny but very powerful group of people to reduce the living standards and freedom of the average American to those of the average peasant in some third world shithole.

Millions of small business owners and middle class workers have already had their business, jobs and lives destroyed by the state. While they are pushed into poverty, the business goes to Amazon or big chain restaurants. Now we are seeing millions more under threat of firing because they refuse to be forcibly injected with untested gene therapy that they neither want nor need.

Even if the "vaccine" worked (which it doesn't) it is still a question of free choice. Are homosexual sodomites refused HIV treatment or employment because they voluntarily engaged in unsafe behaviour? Are smokers refused treatment for lung and heart disease because they chose to smoke? Of course not, and it would be illegal for anyone to attempt to do so.

So while the wealth and income of regular middle class Americans is being stripped away and given to the elites, and attempts are being made to disarm us in violation of 2 A, the unnecessary vaccine that doesn't work is being used as an excuse to get everyone onto a control grid.

They want us all on "vaccine passports", whereby they can monitor and control our every movement. Not that we will be able to move much, as most middle class Americans will have lost their jobs, and working class Americans will be undercut by Mexican illegals, so we won't have the funds to go anywhere.

All of this fits in perfectly with the so-called "climate change" scam, whereby it will become harder and harder to fly internationally. For "climate change" and "covid" reasons officially. In reality because they don't want the serfs leaving their land, as was the case 1000 years ago.

For mongers on an international sex tourism board, that should be of primary concern. Forget Trump, Biden, ballots, whatever else. These people want to sentence us to life in sexprison USA, where women hold all the cards and can have you imprisoned for "are-a-p-e" if, ten years after having sex, she decides she didn't like you. They did that to Harvey Weinstein who was defended by the best lawyers in the country; you better believe they can do it you.

I'm reaching out to those across the political divide here. If this democrat-covid-fakenews-climate hoax stuff keeps going much longer, our hobby will be over. That at least should make you all pause.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2616960]Carlson honed in on the fact that the former secretary of state died despite being fully vaccinated against Covid, saying "that fact does not make his death any less sad nor is it unusual. Many thousands of vaccinated Americans have died of Covid."[/QUOTE]That is a factual statement. Thousands of Americans "vaccinated" against covid have died of covid.

Could you tell us how many Americans vaccinated against measles have died of measles?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617096] Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1

Lugenpresse? Seriously? Every time I post something with a link that isn't NYT or MSNBC the fools on the left that wouldn't dare attack the substance of the article rather.

They try to attack and discredit the source ala Newsmax Fox or anything that doesn't agree with their retarded agenda aka lugenpresse.


Evidently you have no clue as to the meaning of "lgenpresse". Look it up. (Hint: lgenpresse was the former guy's favorite term).[/QUOTE]He knows exactly what lugenpresse means, and was correctly making the point that you regularly attack media you don't like (Fox, Newsmax, NY Post etc) as lugenpresse while hypocritically screeching about others pointing out errors and lies in your preferred leftist fake news sources.

Not too quick on the uptake, are ya.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2617022]Here we define "Meaningless, petty concern."[/QUOTE]Pelosi is 80 years old. Why doesn't she wear a mask when secretly going to the salon, or hosting a wealthy donor event at her vast mansion (secondary question: how does a government employee get so rich)?

She tells all of us that we should wear masks at all times. And yet she, a woman in the most vulnerable age bracket, doesn't bother to wear one when she thinks nobody is looking.

What does she know that she isn't telling us?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617253]Yes, I do. You see, once you've had the measles virus, or the rubella virus, you don't get measles or rubella. See how that works?

None of the acreage of turgid wordsludge you just typed can alter the fact that as I have already shown, the so-called "covid vaccine" doesn't do that.

It may offer some limited protection from the worst effects for a couple of months, but even that wears off quickly. As opposed to the measles, or yellow fever, or any other actual vaccine, where you take it once and you're fully protected for life.

Seriously, take a step back and look objectively at what you just said: [B]"Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated"[/B].

If there were a greater spread of measles after the measles vaccine was introduced, or a greater spread of yellow fever after the yellow fever virus was introduced, or a great spread of smallpox after the smallpox vaccine was introduced, doncha think someone might just have, um, said something?

But of course those vaccines were developed in the days in which we lived in reality..[/QUOTE]Did you or didn't you praise the former guy for getting vaccines developed so quickly? Don't say that you didn't because I have all of your statements right here as proof.

So, by your own admission, Operation Dork Speed was both a massive failure and a colossal waste of money since the result was a bunch of worthless vaccines. Can you not see that?

In fact, your whole argument on vaccines is rooted in BS. The efficiency of many vaccines fade over time. Maybe you had your head buried in the sand during recent mumps outbreak. I choose to believe actual scientists like the ones quoted here: [URL]https://www.science.org/content/article/how-long-do-vaccines-last-surprising-answers-may-help-protect-people-longer[/URL].

Then, of course, there's your stale, recycled-for-the-thousand-and-first-time cries of "fake news", etc. You really need to get some new material. Maybe other fascists can help with that.

"I'm reaching out to those across the political divide here. " This has got to be the winner for funniest (or most deluded) post of the year.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617262]That is a factual statement. Thousands of Americans "vaccinated" against covid have died of covid.

Could you tell us how many Americans vaccinated against measles have died of measles?[/QUOTE]Thanks for playing a completely different game.

By the way, how many measles deaths per year occurred in the USA before the vaccine? I'll bet you don't know, do you?

Less than 600 every year out of 3-4 million cases every year. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html[/URL].

But I digress. Were those measles deaths "of measles" or "with measles"?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617260]His hypocrisy is so egregious he simply has cognitive dissonance.

But this is a deeper issue than Trump, Biden or any other individual.

This entire covid scam is part of a movement by a tiny but very powerful group of people to reduce the living standards and freedom of the average American to those of the average peasant in some third world shithole.

Millions of small business owners and middle class workers have already had their business, jobs and lives destroyed by the state. While they are pushed into poverty, the business goes to Amazon or big chain restaurants. Now we are seeing millions more under threat of firing because they refuse to be forcibly injected with untested gene therapy that they neither want nor need.

Even if the "vaccine" worked (which it doesn't) it is still a question of free choice. Are homosexual sodomites refused HIV treatment or employment because they voluntarily engaged in unsafe behaviour? Are smokers refused treatment for lung and heart disease because they chose to smoke? Of course not, and it would be illegal for anyone to attempt to do so.

So while the wealth and income of regular middle class Americans is being stripped away and given to the elites, and attempts are being made to disarm us in violation of 2 A, the unnecessary vaccine that doesn't work is being used as an excuse to get everyone onto a control grid.

They want us all on "vaccine passports", whereby they can monitor and control our every movement. Not that we will be able to move much, as most middle class Americans will have lost their jobs, and working class Americans will be undercut by Mexican illegals, so we won't have the funds to go anywhere..[/QUOTE]Here it is, folks! Every whacko COVID conspiracy theory all in one place. No need to spend hours sifting through lots of rightwingnut websites to find the conspiracy-theory-of-the-day.

This guy needs to have his tinfoil hat adjusted.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617253]Yes, I do. You see, once you've had the measles virus, or the rubella virus, you don't get measles or rubella. See how that works?

None of the acreage of turgid wordsludge you just typed can alter the fact that as I have already shown, the so-called "covid vaccine" doesn't do that.

It may offer some limited protection from the worst effects for a couple of months, but even that wears off quickly. As opposed to the measles, or yellow fever, or any other actual vaccine, where you take it once and you're fully protected for life.
...[/QUOTE]Shocker! Some people who have been vaccinated against measles and chicken pox STILL get measles and chicken pox!

[B]Measles Cases and Outbreaks:
CDC updates this page weekly[/B]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Measles cases in 2019
From January 1 to December 31, 2019, 1,282* individual cases of measles were confirmed in 31 states.
This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. [b]The majority of cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles.[/b] Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]You see the word "[B]majority[/B]", right there? That means "the greater number" (but not "all").

[B]Chickenpox (Varicella) Vaccination[/B]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/vaccination.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Chickenpox is a highly contagious disease caused by the varicella-zoster virus (VZV). It can cause an itchy, blister-like rash.

Two doses of the chickenpox vaccine is more than 90% effective at preventing chickenpox. When you get vaccinated, you protect yourself and others in your family and community. This protection is especially important for people who cannot get vaccinated, such as those with a weakened immune system (bodys lowered ability to fight germs and sickness), or pregnant women.

[b]Some people who are vaccinated against chickenpox may still get the disease. However, the symptoms are usually milder with fewer or no blisters (they may have just red spots) and mild or no fever. The risk of getting chickenpox after two doses of chickenpox vaccine is lower than after only one dose of chickenpox vaccine.[/b] Talk with your healthcare provider if you have questions about chickenpox vaccine.[/QUOTE]

By golly, we can truthfully say the exact same things about the Trump's Pandemic COVID-19 vaccines that Biden has made easily available for free to every American over the past 9 months, can't we?


[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617253]Seriously, take a step back and look objectively at what you just said: [B]"Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated"[/B].

If there were a greater spread of measles after the measles vaccine was introduced, or a greater spread of yellow fever after the yellow fever virus was introduced, or a great spread of smallpox after the smallpox vaccine was introduced, doncha think someone might just have, um, said something?

But of course those vaccines were developed in the days in which we lived in reality.

Nowadays a man can put on a wig and he's "a woman"; Hunter Biden can take kickbacks from China and Ukraine with "10% for the big guy" and nothing happens; pallots of hundreds of thousands of ballots 98% for Biden can show up in democrat cities at 4 am on election night when he's way behind; Ilhan Omar can marry her brother in an immigration scam and she's a stunning, brave hero.

So it's no surprise that in modern day Emperor's New Clothes clownworld, the fake media and its brainwashed acolytes pretend that a "vaccine" (actually untested gene therapy) "works" when it actually causes a greater spread of the virus it's supposed to be stopping.[/QUOTE]Regarding the earlier measles, chicken pox, etc. vaccines and cases, you're talking about a time pre-Rush Limbaugh, pre-FUX News, pre-Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, pre-Newsmax, pre-Sarah Palin, pre-Donald Trump and so on. Back when people who found out there was such a thing as a measles and chicken pox vaccine quickly stood in line to take it without a huge "mainstream media" push to con them into thinking they were doing the wrong thing for themselves and their kids to both practice the known mitigation measures against infection and take the vaccine.

The same forces that convinced you of the other hogwash in your post.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617241]You and every other fascist who posts here were singing the praises of the former guy and Operation Dork Speed when the vaccines first came out. "Nobody else could have done that", you said. "Vaccines take 10+ years to develop and our orange hero did it in less than a year" you said. "The vaccines prove he's a miracle worker", you said.

Fast forward 18 months and you fascists are saying "The vaccines are worthless".

Exactly who is changing their position? The former guy and Operation Dork Speed either did a good job or they didn't.[/QUOTE]Well to set the record straight I'm no fascist and I don't support fascism. I also never said or posted any of the bullshit you are saying that I posted. I may have benefited in my life from white privilege but that doesn't make me a fascist.

I almost never post in this thread because most who post here are way past considering any intelligent conversation about what the real issues are and the best ways to solve them. They just want to bash and complain about the other side.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617353]Here it is, folks! Every whacko COVID conspiracy theory all in one place. No need to spend hours sifting through lots of rightwingnut websites to find the conspiracy-theory-of-the-day.

This guy needs to have his tinfoil hat adjusted.[/QUOTE]But he left out the Jews this time. Why start sugarcoating it Chris?

P.S. The same Jewish conspiracy theories were going on during the bubonic plagues of the Middle Ages.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2617388]Regarding the earlier measles, chicken pox, etc. vaccines and cases, you're talking about a time pre-Rush Limbaugh, pre-FUX News, pre-Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, pre-Newsmax, pre-Sarah Palin, pre-Donald Trump and so on. Back when people who found out there was such a thing as a measles and chicken pox vaccine quickly stood in line to take it without a huge "mainstream media" push to con them into thinking they were doing the wrong thing for themselves and their kids to both practice the known mitigation measures against infection and take the vaccine.

The same forces that convinced you of the other hogwash in your post.[/QUOTE]This is the bottom line, and useful facts for those that can grab a hold of them. This has been a movement over time, as there's a lot of money to be made lying, omitting, and stirring the pot, and there's plenty around so low as to do so in life and death matters.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617283]Pelosi is 80 years old. Why doesn't she wear a mask when secretly going to the salon, or hosting a wealthy donor event at her vast mansion (secondary question: how does a government employee get so rich)?

She tells all of us that we should wear masks at all times. And yet she, a woman in the most vulnerable age bracket, doesn't bother to wear one when she thinks nobody is looking.

What does she know that she isn't telling us?[/QUOTE]I am sure that if someone pointed out my prior post was meaningless and petty.

I would not double down on it.

No less, with a sprinkling of paranoia added. Hehehe.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617319]Thanks for playing a completely different game.

By the way, how many measles deaths per year occurred in the USA before the vaccine? I'll bet you don't know, do you?

Less than 600 every year out of 3-4 million cases every year. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html[/URL].

But I digress. Were those measles deaths "of measles" or "with measles"?[/QUOTE]A similar number to the number of covid deaths with no comorbidities below the age of 70.

To return to the point, measles has been all but eradicated by the measles vaccine. How many people die or get seriously sick of measles these days? Virtually zero. That is a successful vaccine.

If the number of measles cases and deaths rose after the measles vaccine had become widespread, as has happened after the covid "vaccine", the measles vaccine would not have been considered successful.

Unfortunately, because we live in leftist globohomo clownworld, the fake media and its acolytes such as the dem douches on this board claim that the greater spread of the virus after the vaccine rollout is proof that the vaccine works.

LOL.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2617497]I almost never post in this thread because most who post here are way past considering any intelligent conversation about what the real issues are and the best ways to solve them. They just want to bash and complain about the other side.[/QUOTE]Very true. I attempted to find common ground and point out that the current wrongheaded democrat / globalist policies will severely impact our mongering hobby. The dem threw it back in my face and continued to unthinkingly attack.

But I am not writing for them. I am writing for the sensible majority of people like you, who don't bother to post because of the rabid, hateful reaction of the leftists, but nevertheless takes note of the debate.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2617388]Shocker! Some people who have been vaccinated against measles and chicken pox STILL get measles and chicken pox!

[B]Measles Cases and Outbreaks:
CDC updates this page weekly[/B]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html[/URL]
You see the word "[B]majority[/B]", right there? That means "the greater number" (but not "all").[/QUOTE]1200 measles cases in an entire year. The majority unvaccinated. Let's say maybe 200 of those cases were vaccinated.

What proportion of Americans are vaccinated against measles? This link - [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/measles.htm[/URL] - would suggest it is around 90%.

So out of more than 300 million vaccinated Americans, 200 got measles. There is literally less than a one in a million chance of getting measles if you are vaccinated. I like those odds.

With covid, as we have seen from the studies in Israel and UK, the spread of the virus increased as vaccination went up. There is more chance of getting it now than there was before the "vaccine" went out. And it's a hell of a lot more than one in a million.

Oops.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617353]Here it is, folks! Every whacko COVID conspiracy theory all in one place. [/QUOTE]Imagine someone who can't define a "woman" calling someone else a wacko.

Look at what is happening to our hobby. Nearly 2 years into the covid hysteria, it's clear that healthy people under retirement age will be fine.

And yet are we able to travel and enjoy ourselves? Nope. And now they are pushing for exciting new lockdowns, travel shutdowns and destruction of liberties this winter. I was planning to go to Madagascar in summer 2020. Will that ever happen? SE Asia is destroyed for mongers: read the Angeles City and Pattaya forums.

Frankly I'm surprised leftist democrats would even be on this board. Surely you are exercising western patriarchal oppression over vulnerable brown bodies, as your hero AOC would say.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617958]Frankly I'm surprised leftist democrats would even be on this board. Surely you are exercising western patriarchal oppression over vulnerable brown bodies,[/QUOTE]Everybody needs a hobby.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617956]1200 measles cases in an entire year. The majority unvaccinated. Let's say maybe 200 of those cases were vaccinated.

What proportion of Americans are vaccinated against measles? This link - [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/measles.htm[/URL] - would suggest it is around 90%.

So out of more than 300 million vaccinated Americans, 200 got measles. There is literally less than a one in a million chance of getting measles if you are vaccinated. I like those odds.

With covid, as we have seen from the studies in Israel and UK, the spread of the virus increased as vaccination went up. There is more chance of getting it now than there was before the "vaccine" went out. And it's a hell of a lot more than one in a million.

Oops.[/QUOTE]So you admit you were 100% wrong about everyone who takes a vaccine for measles and other viruses is fully protected for life.

Oops.

No surprise, you're also 100% wrong about how the COVID-19 vaccines work.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617958]Imagine someone who can't define a "woman" calling someone else a wacko.

Look at what is happening to our hobby. Nearly 2 years into the covid hysteria, it's clear that healthy people under retirement age will be fine.

And yet are we able to travel and enjoy ourselves? Nope. And now they are pushing for exciting new lockdowns, travel shutdowns and destruction of liberties this winter. I was planning to go to Madagascar in summer 2020. Will that ever happen? SE Asia is destroyed for mongers: read the Angeles City and Pattaya forums.

Frankly I'm surprised leftist democrats would even be on this board. Surely you are exercising western patriarchal oppression over vulnerable brown bodies, as your hero AOC would say.[/QUOTE]Trump's Pandemic virus won't be the last deadly virus that spreads to endemic levels in a region of the world and then COULD spread to a pandemic level that cripples international travel for mongering and tourism for years afterwards.

All it takes is for world leaders to defund and dismantle the systems that monitor, respond to and prevent such things from happening against all strong expert advice not to do something so stupid and dangerous, for the early signs and warnings to be ignored and lied about, for the known mitigation measures to be mocked, ridiculed and discouraged, all of which Trump did to create the pandemic we are enduring today.

It isn't a matter of "if" a POTUS will be faced with those choices and challenges again, only "when."

It could be 5 years from now, 5 months from now or 5 minutes from now.

When that moment arrives, would you prefer that a Trumpian Republican (the only kind with a chance for the nomination) or a Democrat be sitting in the Oval Office having already decided whether or not it is worth it to keep those systems funded and staffed and then deciding how to respond to the intel about a spreading threat?

For anyone on this site who wants to engage in international travel for the purpose of sex (or anything else) as much, often, freely and easily as possible in his lifetime, sorry, there is only one possible choice. And it sure as hell isn't the Trumpian Republican.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618105]Trump's Pandemic virus won't be the last deadly virus that spreads to endemic levels in a region of the world and then COULD spread to a pandemic level that cripples international travel for mongering and tourism for years afterwards.

All it takes is for world leaders to defund and dismantle the systems that monitor, respond to and prevent such things from happening against all strong expert advice not to do something so stupid and dangerous, for the early signs and warnings to be ignored and lied about, for the known mitigation measures to be mocked, ridiculed and discouraged, all of which Trump did to create the pandemic we are enduring today.[/QUOTE]I am looking forward to the republican party destroying itself this decade defending this Shit record.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617954]A similar number to the number of covid deaths with no comorbidities below the age of 70.

To return to the point, measles has been all but eradicated by the measles vaccine. How many people die or get seriously sick of measles these days? Virtually zero. That is a successful vaccine.

If the number of measles cases and deaths rose after the measles vaccine had become widespread, as has happened after the covid "vaccine", the measles vaccine would not have been considered successful.

Unfortunately, because we live in leftist globohomo clownworld, the fake media and its acolytes such as the dem douches on this board claim that the greater spread of the virus after the vaccine rollout is proof that the vaccine works.

LOL.[/QUOTE]Really? No COVID deaths without co-morbidities? WTF have you been smoking? What a bunch of hooey. [URL]https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/chandigarh/covid-19-40-deceased-had-no-comorbidities-247817[/URL].

But what else to expect from somebody who supports the "I love the uneducated" former guy.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617956]1200 measles cases in an entire year. The majority unvaccinated. Let's say maybe 200 of those cases were vaccinated.

What proportion of Americans are vaccinated against measles? This link - [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/measles.htm[/URL] - would suggest it is around 90%.

So out of more than 300 million vaccinated Americans, 200 got measles. There is literally less than a one in a million chance of getting measles if you are vaccinated. I like those odds.

With covid, as we have seen from the studies in Israel and UK, the spread of the virus increased as vaccination went up. There is more chance of getting it now than there was before the "vaccine" went out. And it's a hell of a lot more than one in a million.

Oops.[/QUOTE]You yourself said that the measles vaccine provided 100% effectiveness for life. Now, when you are proven wrong, you say "less than 1 in a million."

Well, darn. Is zero more or less than "one in a million"?

You absolutely, positively do NOT want to go to Mada. Ever. It is hard and expensive to get to. Nobody speaks English. The infrastructure sucks big time. Health care is nonexistent The roads are absolute shit. The airlines are notorious for cancellations and delays and everybody sees you as a walking ATM. Stay away, stay far away.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617956]With covid, as we have seen from the studies in Israel and UK, the spread of the virus increased as vaccination went up. There is more chance of getting it now than there was before the "vaccine" went out. And it's a hell of a lot more than one in a million.Oops.[/QUOTE]Spread increased due to the rise of variants not accounted for in the vaccines, yet effectiveness remained high against serious illness and death. The variants are being accounted for in booster shots, that soon will be widely available to all over 40 in the states, not sure of the timeline in Europe. But you are spreading false information by omission, as is typical from the fake right wingnut media.

As to all those under retirement age turning out fine, that's another lie as per CDC records posted here on many occasions. Though lower in numbers there have been large numbers of deaths of those under 65, especially among those who play machismo at home and wait way too long to seek help. Regeneron is a powerful weapon but it must be started early. Plus there is "long Covid" that effects all ages, so more falsehoods.

As to your mongering, no one really cares about that in this context. There is pussy for sale everywhere, probably within your own city. May cost you little more, so buy a little less or work a little harder, or go to Colombia.

As to Thailand and the Philippines, the former, unlike Colombia which is doing great, has had a very slow vaccine rollout. The Philippines is at around 50%, like us in the states. That isn't good enough.

As to leftists and mongering, such criticisms are ironic coming from family values, "heritage" pro-life God and country conservatives. Lolol It's uncanny how many of these cheat on their wives and dump and run barebacking hookers. This as you openly mock people of color while going to their countries to buy sex from them. Nonethess many left leaning Americans like me believe these choices are up to the women. In the countries I go to, Costa Rica and Colombia, at least 95% of the young women are surviving well enough outside prostitution, thus those who go into the industry typically do so by choice, a choice they should have if they are of age.

So we got a whole lotta "oops" going on here with Chris, as we have come to expect as he lacks research and critical thinking skills.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618084]So you admit you were 100% wrong about everyone who takes a vaccine for measles and other viruses is fully protected for life.

Oops.

No surprise, you're also 100% wrong about how the COVID-19 vaccines work.[/QUOTE]He reads what he wants to read and goes where he wants to read it. Such is the maintenance of ignorance.

The world is full of 40 and 50 somethings that think they are in good health but are not. Ask any doctor that does thorough check ups. This especially applies to the obese and roid heads, but some just have bad genes and are about shot, ticking time bombs by that age. So many never see 70, Covid or no Covid.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2618138]I am looking forward to the republican party destroying itself this decade defending this Shit record.[/QUOTE]We can hope. Unfortunately, the Mainstream Media, always pro Repub when it comes to promoting False Equivalencies, Bothsiderism and Lies about the easily researched record of results for each side in order help their darling Repubs win elections, has already long "forgotten" at least 2 of those 3 major Trump contributions to converting a likely manageable endemic in a region of China into the historic Pandemic that it became.

You know, the spin is that the Pandemic simply "happened" to that poor Donnie feller and spoiled an otherwise sterling so-called presidency and "best economy ever." He was just "unlucky" to be there when it happened. It's just another Once In 100 Years Disaster that, miraculously, only happen under Repub stewardship. Not his fault!

Which is total pro-Repub bullshit all around.

By association, Mainstream Media is letting every Repub off the hook for supporting and defending their Dear Leader's "success" in that effort every step of the way and every day since. And the next Repub in the Oval Office would do it again and again with full support from his entire Party in a heartbeat.

And why wouldn't they? After all, as Mainstream Media have insisted during every Repub Recession Great and Small, every historic Repub Bear Market Crash, every Repub Massive USA Job Destruction as well as every Great Dem Economic Recovery, Expansion, historic Bull Market Run and record high USA Jobs Creation of my lifetime and long before, "The Republican Party is better at handling the economy (truly the most critical issue in any election) than The Democratic Party." lol

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618237]We can hope. Unfortunately, the Mainstream Media, always pro Repub when it comes to promoting False Equivalencies, Bothsiderism and Lies about the easily researched record of results for each side in order help their darling Repubs win elections, has already long "forgotten" at least 2 of those 3 major Trump contributions to converting a likely manageable endemic in a region of China into the historic Pandemic that it became.

You know, the spin is that the Pandemic simply "happened" to that poor Donnie feller and spoiled an otherwise sterling so-called presidency and "best economy ever." He was just "unlucky" to be there when it happened. It's just another Once In 100 Years Disaster that, miraculously, only happen under Repub stewardship. Not his fault!

Which is total pro-Repub bullshit all around.

By association, Mainstream Media is letting every Repub off the hook for supporting and defending their Dear Leader's "success" in that effort every step of the way and every day since.[/QUOTE]Truman had a recession and off the coattails of FDR. Carter had one also, all "easily researched." The 50's were strong in many respects, but wars ending often creates recessions. The last pandemic (Spanish Flu), "miraculously," happened under a Democrat who also had a recession. So even while you are still plenty wrong about the last "100 years," you cook the data by cropping off Wilson, all "easily researched." Plus Dems are less prone to recessions because they often spend more, but that can't go on forever. Clinton would be an exception, but he heavily benefitted from the dot com boom while he was forced to cooperate with a Repub congress. It's not all in the hands of the WH.

And this "both siderism" you whine about 20 times a week, please tell me you aren't talking about CNN. They don't have any "darling Republicans," but passive buttboy Scott Jennings and the occasional semi-assertive token, whose promptly fired the moment they offend a minority. They bash moderate Dems from time to time, but there's at least suspicion that this is done on behalf of the far left, which dominates the viewership, at least for the night shows, so it's clearly a leftie network and everyone knows it but you. But that's fine as it's one of a number of spots to visit when attempting to decipher the truth.

We do though need an strong and legit conservative party, which we don't have now, to keep the nation balanced and reflective of our values as whole. That's why I'm a proud left leaning centrist, who is not with the squad, Crazie Bernies or Elizabeth Warrens.

You bring plenty of bluster when it comes to these topics, but while you shake your finger at "bullshit" there are three pointing back at you. Now keep it up.

[URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618084]So you admit you were 100% wrong about everyone who takes a vaccine for measles and other viruses is fully protected for life.

Oops.

No surprise, you're also 100% wrong about how the COVID-19 vaccines work.[/QUOTE]No only is Chrissie 100% wrong about vaccines, he has been 100% wrong on every single post in this section. But, when one supports the "I love the poorly educated" former guy, what do you expect?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2618138]I am looking forward to the republican party destroying itself this decade defending this Shit record.[/QUOTE]I don't think the Republican Party will get destroyed like the Democratic Party is destroying itself. The Republican Party is on pace to take control of both the House and the Senate next year as democrats have turned to socialist party. I don't consider myself a democrat anymore and like several other former democrats consider myself an independent. The American people don't want open borders, increased crime and a bigger government to control every aspect of their lives so the socialists will fail. I believe the American people are smart enough to defeat this and it is showing in the polls. The true democrats are leaving the party. I know that the Republican Party is getting stronger with the Biden catastrophes so they will benefit from the Biden and Bernie mess.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2618580]I don't think the Republican Party will get destroyed like the Democratic Party is destroying itself. The Republican Party is on pace to take control of both the House and the Senate next year as democrats have turned to socialist party. I don't consider myself a democrat anymore and like several other former democrats consider myself an independent. The American people don't want open borders, increased crime and a bigger government to control every aspect of their lives so the socialists will fail. I believe the American people are smart enough to defeat this and it is showing in the polls. The true democrats are leaving the party. I know that the Republican Party is getting stronger with the Biden catastrophes so they will benefit from the Biden and Bernie mess.[/QUOTE]Please, please, please go back to grade school and try to learn something!

Democrats are [B]not[/B] socialists. That's a Fux "News" talking point for trump's favorite demographic, the poorly educated.

No Democrat ever has said that they want open borders. That's a Fux "News" talking point for trump's favorite demographic, the poorly educated.

No Democrat wants increased crime. That's a Fux "News" talking point for trump's favorite demographic, the poorly educated.

That 74 million Americans were hoodwinked into voting for the former guy is an indictment of America's education system. But it does validate one thing: that the former guy loves the poorly educated.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2618580]I don't think the Republican Party will get destroyed [/QUOTE]I don't think so either. The Republican Party has successfully reinvented itself into an ultra-right, conspiracy-driven, semi-religious cult. Great job!

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2618249]Truman had a recession and off the coattails of FDR. Carter had one also, all "easily researched." The 50's were strong in many respects, but wars ending often creates recessions. The last pandemic (Spanish Flu), "miraculously," happened under a Democrat who also had a recession. So even while you are still plenty wrong about the last "100 years," you cook the data by cropping off Wilson, all "easily researched." Plus Dems are less prone to recessions because they often spend more, but that can't go on forever. Clinton would be an exception, but he heavily benefitted from the dot com boom while he was forced to cooperate with a Repub congress. It's not all in the hands of the WH.

And this "both siderism" you whine about 20 times a week, please tell me you aren't talking about CNN. They don't have any "darling Republicans," but passive buttboy Scott Jennings and the occasional semi-assertive token, whose promptly fired the moment they offend a minority. They bash moderate Dems from time to time, but there's at least suspicion that this is done on behalf of the far left, which dominates the viewership, at least for the night shows, so it's clearly a leftie network and everyone knows it but you. But that's fine as it's one of a number of spots to visit when attempting to decipher the truth.

We do though need an strong and legit conservative party, which we don't have now, to keep the nation balanced and reflective of our values as whole. That's why I'm a proud left leaning centrist, who is not with the squad, Crazie Bernies or Elizabeth Warrens.

You bring plenty of bluster when it comes to these topics, but while you shake your finger at "bullshit" there are three pointing back at you. Now keep it up.

[URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam[/URL][/QUOTE]The 2 "recessions" under Truman and Carter were tiny and insignificant compared to any of the Great Recessions and Serial Recessions under Repubs. Truman's didn't even raise the Unemployment Rate and Carter's was purposely induced by the Fed in order to tackle and tame hyper inflation, which it did. Neither lasted more than 2-3 quarters. In fact, Carter's was over by the middle of the 2nd quarter of negative GDP growth.

I go back 100 years for 2 important reasons; one is going back more than 100 years is not necessary in order to prove a DEFINITE pattern in modern economics between the 2 Parties.

And, two, it was only about 100 years ago that the Federal Reserve was established, up, running and DOING what it has been doing ever since. To compare economic results for any time before that was happening vs after it was happening is apples to oranges.

Considering WWI and the flu pandemic was preventing the newly established Federal Reserve from figuring out what it was doing and how to do it, going back even that far would be dumb.

Maybe that is why focusing on that era and returning to it over and over again appeals to you.

Btw, Republicans add more to the deficit than Dems do. And they get a lot less for it. And you might not recall that Clinton and his Repub Congress went to war over policy to the point of Nude Grinbitch shutting down the government twice.

Clinton prevailed both times.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2618662]I don't think so either. The Republican Party has successfully reinvented itself into an ultra-right, conspiracy-driven, semi-religious cult. Great job![/QUOTE]The Repub Party members simply use another name (Whigs, Know-Nothings, Repubican, GOP, Tea-Party, QAnon, whatever) whenever they have produced results so horrific guys like Moscow Mitch demand that, "Please, let's not talk about the past. Let's focus on the future!" Even when "the past" is earlier THAT SAME YEAR. Lol.

Then it's voters, the people who repeatedly put Repubs in office to produce those horrific results, start claiming they are now "Independents" and will not be aligned with either of the 2 major parties, because of the same old reasons; Bothsiderism, False Equivalencies, Lies about the immutable 100 years' long pattern, etc.

But they still vote in ways that help Repubs win elections.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618761]The Repub Party members simply use another name (Whigs, Know-Nothings, Repubican, GOP, Tea-Party, QAnon, whatever) whenever they have produced results so horrific guys like Moscow Mitch demand that, "Please, let's not talk about the past. Let's focus on the future!" Even when "the past" is earlier THAT SAME YEAR. Lol.[/QUOTE]Because some repubs are dishonest chicken shits, like Mitch.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618761]Then it's voters, the people who repeatedly put Repubs in office to produce those horrific results, start claiming they are now "Independents..[/QUOTE]While others are simple retards.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618755]The 2 "recessions" under Truman and Carter were tiny and insignificant compared to any of the Great Recessions and Serial Recessions under Repubs. Truman's didn't even raise the Unemployment Rate and Carter's was purposely induced by the Fed in order to tackle and tame hyper inflation, which it did. Neither lasted more than 2-3 quarters. In fact, Carter's was over by the middle of the 2nd quarter of negative GDP growth.
...[/QUOTE]Correction; I meant to write the Truman 1948 Recession didn't raise the unemployment rate [i]above 7.9% for a single month[/i], same as Carter's. In both cases it spiked up to that rate for a single month and began to decline immediately afterwards.

That was the interesting similarity between those 2 brief economic downsturns. Which, of course, is nothing compared to the Hoover, Nixon/Ford, Reagan, Bush2 and Trump Recessions that drove the Unemployment Rate to near 9% or 10% and way above that (Hoover, Reagan and Trump) for several months each.

It is very likely that the only reason Bush2's Great Repub Recession didn't log in several months of 10%+ Unemployment Rates like Hoover's, Reagan's and Trump's did instead of just one month at 10% was because Obama-Biden took office soon after it started rather than McCain-Palin.

This is the sort of scum we are dealing with within the "Stop the Steal" movement. It's not a wonder why the vast majority of the domestic terrorism in the US comes from the far right, as has been confirmed by DHS and confirmed here with links time and again. These are gullible, unintelligent people that lack the ability to fact check and think critically.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/politics/secretaries-of-state-personal-threats-trump-election-lies/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2618650]Please, please, please go back to grade school and try to learn something!

Democrats are [B]not[/B] socialists. That's a Fux "News" talking point for trump's favorite demographic, the poorly educated.

No Democrat ever has said that they want open borders. That's a Fux "News" talking point for trump's favorite demographic, the poorly educated.

No Democrat wants increased crime. That's a Fux "News" talking point for trump's favorite demographic, the poorly educated.

That 74 million Americans were hoodwinked into voting for the former guy is an indictment of America's education system. But it does validate one thing: that the former guy loves the poorly educated.[/QUOTE]I guess Biden and Harris are not democrats then. Both of them have allowed the border open for 1,700,000 illegals since they have been in office. Thousands more illegals in their way saying tell Biden we are coming to the democrats open border. If democrats don't want open borders why don't they close it. Why build a fence to keep people out of Biden vacation home but not a fence to have a secure border. 80% of Americans know that the southern border is not secure. There are still some fools that think otherwise.

Every democrat state is defunding police. California and Minnesota don't prosecute shoplifters. Chicago doesn't prosecute gun violence. Democrats have no problem with letting criminals run free. I agree. Democrats aren't socialists but the majority of the senators that claim to be democrat are socialists just the the socialists on this forum who claim to be democrats. I am a democrat.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618755]The 2 "recessions" under Truman and Carter were tiny and insignificant compared to any of the Great Recessions and Serial Recessions under Repubs. Truman's didn't even raise the Unemployment Rate and Carter's was purposely induced by the Fed in order to tackle and tame hyper inflation, which it did. Neither lasted more than 2-3 quarters. In fact, Carter's was over by the middle of the 2nd quarter of negative GDP growth.

I go back 100 years for 2 important reasons; one is going back more than 100 years is not necessary in order to prove a DEFINITE pattern in modern economics between the 2 Parties.

And, two, it was only about 100 years ago that the Federal Reserve was established, up, running and DOING what it has been doing ever since. To compare economic results for any time before that was happening vs after it was happening is apples to oranges.

Considering WWI and the flu pandemic was preventing the newly established Federal Reserve from figuring out what it was doing and how to do it, going back even that far would be dumb.

Maybe that is why focusing on that era and returning to it over and over again appeals to you..[/QUOTE]Keep blaming the past presidents and keep ignoring the Biden failures. See how that works out for you because it is not working for America. Biden policies are creating more poor and more welfare. You better wise up soon because there won't be enough Americans to fund your welfare check.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2618915]This is the sort of scum we are dealing with within the "Stop the Steal" movement. It's not a wonder why the vast majority of the domestic terrorism in the US comes from the far right, as has been confirmed by DHS and confirmed here with links time and again. These are gullible, unintelligent people that lack the ability to fact check and think critically.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/politics/secretaries-of-state-personal-threats-trump-election-lies/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Liz Cheney has even suggested many of her Republican colleagues in both houses of Congress say the pro-Trump shit they say and take the blatantly Anti-America position they take out of fear for their and their family's lives at the hands of Trump's MAGA crowd if they don't.

Here are some of the ways to determine if a regime is fascist.

1. Opposition to Marxism (Notice how many Republicans call Democrats either "socialists" or "communists".

2. Opposition to parliamentary democracy (Notice how Trump Republicans try to silence anybody who speaks out against them).

3. Opposition to political and cultural liberalism (Duh).

4. Totalitarian ambitions (Duh).

5. Conservative economic programs (Republican tax cuts benefit the wealthy and business).

6. Corporatism ("Trickle-down" economics, anybody?

7. Alleged equality of social status (Republicans pay lip service to equality but try to pass laws curtailing voting rights, etc.)

8. Imperialism (OK, this one doesn't belong).

9. Military values (Trump loves military parades).

10. Volksgemeinschaft (a racially unified and hierarchically organized body in which the interests of individuals would be strictly subordinate to those of the nation. I. e. Don't think for yourself, let Trump or Fux "News", think for you.).

11. Mass mobilization (like rallies).

12. Single leader with absolute power (Gee, ya think?

13. The "new man" (The new man would be physically strong and morally "hard," admiring what was forceful and vigorous and despising everything "weak" and "soft."

14. Glorification of youth (OK, maybe this doesn't belong either).

15. Education as character building (Let's not teach history because we'd rather whitewash it and teach history as we want it to be).

16. Decadence and spirituality (Notice how many Republicans are against everything except God and guns. And abortions. And LGBTQ. And POC.)

17. Violence (Does January 6th ring a bell? Charlottesville? "Get them out of here" at Trump rallies?

18. Extreme nationalism (MAGA and America First).

19. Scapegoating (Blame immigrants and POC and BLM and, frankly, anything other than racism, homophobia, xenophobia and misogyny).

20. Populism (Unlike left-wing populism, this populism doesn't attribute workers' hardships to big business and big landowners and doesn't advocate measures such as progressive taxation, higher pay for industrial and farm workers, protection of unions, and the right to strike. In general it spares the wealth of the upper classes).

21. Revolutionary image (This doesn't belong either).

22. Antiurbanism (Shithole cities, etc.).

23. Sexism and misogyny (Duh, Texas' abortion law?

24. Acceptance of racism (Duh).

25. Identification with Christianity (Duh).

That's 25 characteristics of FASCISM, 22 of which describe the current Republican party. 22 out of 25 is 88% . A solid b+.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619014]Liz Cheney has even suggested many of her Republican colleagues in both houses of Congress say the pro-Trump shit they say and take the blatantly Anti-America position they take out of fear for their and their family's lives at the hands of Trump's MAGA crowd if they don't.[/QUOTE]It's always a kick to come in and read all your comments.

You got leftists speaking the same way righties do about each other.

It all depends on where you get your news that shapes the way you parrot talking points.

Thanks for all the laughs guys. You're like my crazy uncles who argue over politics but are a hoot because they simply repeat what the pundits say.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2618915]It's not a wonder why the vast majority of the domestic terrorism in the US comes from the far right, as has been confirmed by DHS and confirmed here with links time and again. These are gullible, unintelligent people that lack the ability to fact check and think critically.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/politics/secretaries-of-state-personal-threats-trump-election-lies/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The USA causes most of the world's terrorism, helped in part because almost all Americans "are gullible, unintelligent people that lack the ability to fact check and think critically" and are much too fond of fast food and soft couches. You lot are a long playing record. Thankfully, China and her allies are going to end your circus.

[QUOTE=Beans5;2619065]It's always a kick to come in and read all your comments.

You got leftists speaking the same way righties do about each other.

It all depends on where you get your news that shapes the way you parrot talking points.

Thanks for all the laughs guys. You're like my crazy uncles who argue over politics but are a hoot because they simply repeat what the pundits say.[/QUOTE]Eih's comment was "Liz Cheney has even suggested many of her Republican colleagues in both houses of Congress say the pro-Trump shit they say and take the blatantly Anti-America position they take out of fear for their and their family's lives at the hands of Trump's MAGA crowd if they don't."

Google 'Liz Cheney comment on Republicans'. You'll find pages and pages of soirces like [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/house/574024-cheney-says-a-lot-of-gop-lawmakers-have-privately-encouraged-her-fight-against[/URL] and [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/us/politics/liz-cheney-trump-republicans.html[/URL] and [URL]https://businessinsider.mx/rep-cheney-says-gop-lawmakers-who-opposed-trump-feared-for-lives-2021-5/?r=US&IR=T[/URL].

FYI, I found exactly zero (as in zip, nada etc) reporting by Fux "News" or any other rightwingnut source. So wingers have no reports on the subject while the left has a boatload. Therefore, to wingers and the sources they use, Cheney's comments didn't exist.

The other yuge difference is that us lefties usually document our assertions backed up by real journalists whereas the wingers post opinion disguised as fact and, if sourced at all, the sources are virtually always bogus.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2619156]The USA causes most of the world's terrorism, helped in part because almost all Americans "are gullible, unintelligent people that lack the ability to fact check and think critically" and are much too fond of fast food and soft couches. You lot are a long playing record. Thankfully, China and her allies are going to end your circus.[/QUOTE]Got it Pedro. A quick review of your post history shows you bragging about not being vaccinated, claiming to travel in Southern Europe where you rough up Americans, but probably have never been out of your mothers' basement in Juarez. , where you couldn't beat your way out of a wet taco wrapper. Your anger and envy is flattering, as is your rooting for the Chinese, though of course your significance, even in a hooker forum, is zero. Wink.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2619173]Eih's comment was "Liz Cheney has even suggested many of her Republican colleagues in both houses of Congress say the pro-Trump shit they say and take the blatantly Anti-America position they take out of fear for their and their family's lives at the hands of Trump's MAGA crowd if they don't."

Google 'Liz Cheney comment on Republicans'. You'll find pages and pages of soirces like [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/house/574024-cheney-says-a-lot-of-gop-lawmakers-have-privately-encouraged-her-fight-against[/URL] and [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/us/politics/liz-cheney-trump-republicans.html[/URL] and [URL]https://businessinsider.mx/rep-cheney-says-gop-lawmakers-who-opposed-trump-feared-for-lives-2021-5/?r=US&IR=T[/URL].

FYI, I found exactly zero (as in zip, nada etc) reporting by Fux "News" or any other rightwingnut source. So wingers have no reports on the subject while the left has a boatload. Therefore, to wingers and the sources they use, Cheney's comments didn't exist.

The other yuge difference is that us lefties usually document our assertions backed up by real journalists whereas the wingers post opinion disguised as fact and, if sourced at all, the sources are virtually always bogus.[/QUOTE]LOL. Exactly.

Since "it all depends on where you get your news," nobody hold your breath waiting for Beans5 to produce news report links asserting that in the past century Great Recessions didn't begin on the watch of (R)Hoover, (R)Reagan, (R)Bush2 and (R)Trump, that three more Recessions didn't happen on (R)Eisenhower's watch, another one didn't begin on (R)Ford's watch, another one didn't begin on (R)Bush1's watch, still another one on (R)Bush2's watch and so on while the Recession that began under (D)Truman and the one under (D)Carter weren't among the briefest and least damaging Recessions of all.

And THAT is why totally unsupported False Equivalency and Bothsiderism must be called out for the "stealth" pro-Repub bullshit it is whenever possible.

It seems conservative Republicans are determined to accommodate their cult leader's apparent Final Solution in order to MAGA! "Get into the boxcars" and "Step into the showers," indeed.

You can't say Biden and the Dems didn't try to convince them otherwise. But there is only so much we can say and do about it.

[B]COVID-19 is crushing red states. Why isnt Trump turning his rallies into mass vaccination sites?[/B]
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/29/covid-19-is-crushing-red-states-why-isnt-trump-turning-his-rallies-into-mass-vaccination-sites/amp/[/URL]

[B] Red Covid.
Covids partisan pattern is growing more extreme. [/B]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/briefing/covid-red-states-vaccinations.html[/URL]

[B]COVID Cases, Deaths Notably Worse In Red States Than Blue States: Report [/B]
[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/covid-cases-deaths-notably-worse-035707646.html[/URL]

[B]A trio of conservative radio hosts died of Covid. Will their deaths change vaccine resistance?[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1278258[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2619032]Here are some of the ways to determine if a regime is fascist.

1. Opposition to Marxism (Notice how many Republicans call Democrats either "socialists" or "communists".

2. Opposition to parliamentary democracy (Notice how Trump Republicans try to silence anybody who speaks out against them).

3. Opposition to political and cultural liberalism (Duh).

4. Totalitarian ambitions (Duh).

5. Conservative economic programs (Republican tax cuts benefit the wealthy and business).

6. Corporatism ("Trickle-down" economics, anybody?

7. Alleged equality of social status (Republicans pay lip service to equality but try to pass laws curtailing voting rights, etc.)

8. Imperialism (OK, this one doesn't belong)..[/QUOTE]Not sure what you are talking about because none of it makes sense.

Wanting Secure borders.

Wanting Safe cities.

Wanting Parents involved in their child's education.

Wanting a competent president.

Wanting all lives to matter.

If this is fascism to you then you are a socialist or communist. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619241]It seems conservative Republicans are determined to accommodate their cult leader's apparent Final Solution in order to MAGA! "Get into the boxcars" and "Step into the showers," indeed.

You can't say Biden and the Dems didn't try to convince them otherwise. But there is only so much we can say and do about it.

[B]COVID-19 is crushing red states. Why isnt Trump turning his rallies into mass vaccination sites?[/B]
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/29/covid-19-is-crushing-red-states-why-isnt-trump-turning-his-rallies-into-mass-vaccination-sites/amp/[/URL]

[B] Red Covid.
Covids partisan pattern is growing more extreme. [/B].[/QUOTE]Turning red states into blue states through attrition.

Works for me!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2619242]Not sure what you are talking about because none of it makes sense.

Wanting Secure borders.

Wanting Safe cities.

Wanting Parents involved in their child's education.

Wanting a competent president.

Wanting all lives to matter.

If this is fascism to you then you are a socialist or communist. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]Of course none of this makes sense [B]To you[/B].

The only thing that makes sense to RepubliKKKans is:

Wanting to kill all immigrants.

Wanting to kill all POC.

Wanting education to teach things the way Republicans want them to be.

Wanting a dictator.

Wanting only white lives to matter.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2618999]Both of them have allowed the border open for 1,700,000 illegals since they have been in office.[/QUOTE]Would I be out of line if I asked about your source for this number please?

See, Biden hasn't changed any Trump's immigration policies to the dismay, by the way, of pro-immigration advocates. Title 42 is still intact. Every month the authorities detain hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants.

So what are you preaching exactly? "Allowed the border open" -- what does it even mean? How do they allow that? What's the mode for allowing that? I know, you guys hate specifics, but maybe try this time?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618105]Trump's Pandemic.....blabla Trump bad....something something Orange Man Bad.[/QUOTE]Complete non-sequitur, which didn't answer any of my points.

This idea of blaming Trump for a worldwide (supposed) pandemic, which was started in China, and when the USA is 6% of the world's landmass and 4% of its population, is objectively idiotic. I'm just saying this to help you out. Watching you keep saying that is like having a boxing match with a guy who keep punching himself in the face. It's no fun for anyone.

It is not Trump who is pushing this Great Reset. Far from it: it's people like Klaus Schwab, Soros and other globalists.

We are already seeing them try to pivot the covid lockdowns that the leftists have enforced into permanent "climate change" lockdowns.

The globalist left don't want regular middle class western people to be wealthy and able to take regular foreign holidays. They want us an impoverished serf class, as is the model in most countries in the world.

The reason we can go to the third world and bang hot young babes is because everyone in those countries is dirt-poor outside a tiny wealthy elite. There is no middle class.

Newsflash: that is what our elites want for us. They want to be in the same position as the royal families of places like Thailand, and the "Men of Always" in Colombia: owning everything, permanently in control, and never held to account because the entire population are serfs scrabbling round 24/7 trying to have enough to eat.

Hence the endless restrictions, shutting down of businesses, making it harder and harder to travel under the fake justification of "global warming" (that always cracks me up: look on youtube and there is a documentary from 1977 narrated by Leonard Nimoy about how an ice age is on the way. These clowns can't keep their story straight).

Wake up and fight back before it is too late.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619241]It seems conservative Republicans are determined to accommodate their cult leader's apparent Final Solution in order to MAGA! "Get into the boxcars" and "Step into the showers," indeed.

You can't say Biden and the Dems didn't try to convince them otherwise. But there is only so much we can say and do about it.

[B]COVID-19 is crushing red states. Why isnt Trump turning his rallies into mass vaccination sites?[/B]
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/29/covid-19-is-crushing-red-states-why-isnt-trump-turning-his-rallies-into-mass-vaccination-sites/amp/[/URL]..[/QUOTE]No, it really isn't "crushing red states". 4 of the top 10 states by rate of covid deaths per capita are New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL].

And as you can see from the link, no states are vastly higher than all the others. Given the well-known inconsistencies with how "covid deaths" are reported, they are frankly within each other's margin of error.

Anyway, why do you care? Shouldn't you be as happy to see all these republican voters dying as you are to see all those babies dying in planned parenthood abortion mills?

Yet again, we simply see that we have nothing in common. The United States cannot and should not continue like this.

You can have your blue-haired trannies, critical race theory, endless gene therapy injections, infinity illegals on welfare, abortions at 9 months, permanent lockdown and no flights due to covid and "climate change". We'll have traditional America. Let us go our separate ways.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2619199]Got it Pedro. A quick review of your post history shows you bragging about not being vaccinated, claiming to travel in Southern Europe where you rough up Americans, but probably have never been out of your mothers' basement in Juarez. , where you couldn't beat your way out of a wet taco wrapper. Your anger and envy is flattering, as is your rooting for the Chinese, though of course your significance, even in a hooker forum, is zero. Wink.[/QUOTE]Bad grammar as you would not know any better. I do not brag about being vaccinated or not vaccinated; I simply am not vaccinated. Americans brag: about vaccination status, about murdering Arabs, about their death squads, about their fat bellies and fatter women. I note your passive aggression about my fighting ability and your sick remarks about your mother. They are part of the reason Americans are loathed. Your Hispanophobia is also noted.

As regards anger and envy: count up the number of children you lot have murdered in Afghanistan, in Korea, in Vietnam, in Latin America, in Libya, In Iraq and then realize what a pile of excretment you are. Fortunately, you will not be able to play your usual stunts with the Chinese. Your days, thankfully, are numbered.

The good thing here is your BS is mostly confined to the American Politics (sic) thread. But it is does seep over.

Democrats, Republicans, scum and war criminals all.

Here is your take away. Americans, like all uncooth bullies, are loathed.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619014]Liz Cheney has even suggested many of her Republican colleagues in both houses of Congress say the pro-Trump shit they say and take the blatantly Anti-America position they take out of fear for their and their family's lives at the hands of Trump's MAGA crowd if they don't.[/QUOTE]No, they support President Trump and Making American Great Again because the vast majority of Republicans (at least 75 million) are heritage Americans who want to maintain the country rather than see it flushed down the toilet of communism, and they want to ensure re-election.

Nothing to do with violence. Only leftist fake news would claim that (while simultaneously ignoring or excusing actual brutal violence committed by their footsoldiers in antifa and BLM).

Liz Cheney will discover in the 2022 election what happens to RINOs who attempt to work against the interests of traditional patriotic Americans.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2618183]Really? No COVID deaths without co-morbidities? WTF have you been smoking? What a bunch of hooey. [URL]https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/chandigarh/covid-19-40-deceased-had-no-comorbidities-247817[/URL].

But what else to expect from somebody who supports the "I love the uneducated" former guy.[/QUOTE]LOL. That link is from India, a literal shithole (half the population shit in the street). They probably died of dysentery or poisoned curry. And they have a population of like a billion and a half: I'm sure they can find a handful of people under 60 who they can pretend died of covid, particularly if there are some fake news "journalists" with expense accounts sniffing round.

P.S. I'd take anyone with a GED over a gender studies or critical race theory "graduate". Frankly any university course other than STEM is worthless at this point, as they are all little more than communist brainwashing.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2618580]I don't think the Republican Party will get destroyed like the Democratic Party is destroying itself. The Republican Party is on pace to take control of both the House and the Senate next year as democrats have turned to socialist party. I don't consider myself a democrat anymore and like several other former democrats consider myself an independent. The American people don't want open borders, increased crime and a bigger government to control every aspect of their lives so the socialists will fail. I believe the American people are smart enough to defeat this and it is showing in the polls. The true democrats are leaving the party. I know that the Republican Party is getting stronger with the Biden catastrophes so they will benefit from the Biden and Bernie mess.[/QUOTE]Very good post. If elections were restricted to Americans, the Republicans would win Reaganesque landslides every time.

Unfortunately, the devious democrats have realized this and are flooding the country with low IQ third worlders, 80% of whom will vote for them because they are too useless and stupid to get along without huge welfare handouts.

These third world illegals will form the basis of the serf class into which America's elites also want to force regular middle class heritage Americans. Penniless and powerless. We must push back to stop them (or ultimately, I think, to break away).

The same is happening throughout the West. The French, to their credit, have cottoned onto it: they are calling it "The Great Replacement". Look up Eric Zemmour, a potential presidential candidate in next year's election.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618237]We can hope. Unfortunately, the Mainstream Media, always pro Repub [/QUOTE]HAAAAAAA! Oh stop it! I'm crying with laughter here! The satire is too much! I can't breathe, as some guy said recently.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2618192]You absolutely, positively do NOT want to go to Mada. Ever. It is hard and expensive to get to. Nobody speaks English. The infrastructure sucks big time. Health care is nonexistent The roads are absolute shit. The airlines are notorious for cancellations and delays and everybody sees you as a walking ATM. Stay away, stay far away.[/QUOTE]I like a challenge. And honestly I'd probably just stay on Nosy Be for a few weeks. The girls and the lemurs both look cute from photos.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2619276]Would I be out of line if I asked about your source for this number please?

See, Biden hasn't changed any Trump's immigration policies to the dismay, by the way, of pro-immigration advocates. Title 42 is still intact. Every month the authorities detain hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants.

So what are you preaching exactly? "Allowed the border open" -- what does it even mean? How do they allow that? What's the mode for allowing that? I know, you guys hate specifics, but maybe try this time?[/QUOTE]These are the numbers border patrol have to the DOJ, Whitehouse and congress. Biden reversed Trump Stay in Mexico policy and the Supreme Court has ruled Biden must reinstate the policy but Biden is ignoring it like he ignored all the crises in USA. Just like you ignore the facts. Do you really think that the thousands of illegals that are travelling through Mexico with Biden shirts and signs will be returned? Do you not see Biden flying thousands of illegals to other cities in the middle of the night. The border is not secure. Either by Biden policies or Biden being incompetent. He won't even go to the border because he knows what he is going to see.

Just a tiny glimpse of reality amongst all the leftist vaxer fake news spewed like verbal diarrhea.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619287]No, it really isn't "crushing red states". 4 of the top 10 states by rate of covid deaths per capita are New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL].

And as you can see from the link, no states are vastly higher than all the others. Given the well-known inconsistencies with how "covid deaths" are reported, they are frankly within each other's margin of error.

Anyway, why do you care? Shouldn't you be as happy to see all these republican voters dying as you are to see all those babies dying in planned parenthood abortion mills?

Yet again, we simply see that we have nothing in common. The United States cannot and should not continue like this.

You can have your blue-haired trannies, critical race theory, endless gene therapy injections, infinity illegals on welfare, abortions at 9 months, permanent lockdown and no flights due to covid and "climate change". We'll have traditional America. Let us go our separate ways.[/QUOTE]From a California democrat I like the traditional America better. Great post.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2619274]Of course none of this makes sense [B]To you[/B].

The only thing that makes sense to RepubliKKKans is:

Wanting to kill all immigrants.

Wanting to kill all POC.

Wanting education to teach things the way Republicans want them to be.

Wanting a dictator.

Wanting only white lives to matter.[/QUOTE]I guess I don't understand. Why do you hate America? Why do you hate a secure border? Why do you hate the idea of parents having a say in their children education? Why do you hate the police? Why do you hate prosecuting criminals? As a democrat I support all of these. These things are not about being Republican or democrat. They are just common sense. If you don't have common sense then you are a socialist. Plain and simple.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2619347]I guess I don't understand. Why do you hate America? Why do you hate a secure border? Why do you hate the idea of parents having a say in their children education? Why do you hate the police? Why do you hate prosecuting criminals? As a democrat I support all of these. These things are not about being Republican or democrat. They are just common sense. If you don't have common sense then you are a socialist. Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]Sounds just like "Canada". None of the things you are saying are actually true. Show any real actual examples of these being Democratic policies. Now Look at Republicans. They don't believe in free and fair elections. Gerrymandering, the big lie about election fraud, restrictive voting legislation, widespread corruption and whitecollar crime, the list goes on but you don't care because you obviously have never been a democrat.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619277]Complete non-sequitur, which didn't answer any of my points.

This idea of blaming Trump for a worldwide (supposed) pandemic, which was started in China, and when the USA is 6% of the world's landmass and 4% of its population, is objectively idiotic. I'm just saying this to help you out. Watching you keep saying that is like having a boxing match with a guy who keep punching himself in the face. It's no fun for anyone.

It is not Trump who is pushing this Great Reset. Far from it: it's people like Klaus Schwab, Soros and other globalists.

We are already seeing them try to pivot the covid lockdowns that the leftists have enforced into permanent "climate change" lockdowns.

The globalist left don't want regular middle class western people to be wealthy and able to take regular foreign holidays. They want us an impoverished serf class, as is the model in most countries in the world..[/QUOTE]You forgot deaths.

Look, everybody knows that you think the former guy is the second coming.

But you mentioned that the US has 6% of the world's landmass and 4% of its population. Given that, shouldn't the US have about 4% of the world's deaths, too? But they have 15% of the world's deaths. How do you explain that? You can't but you'll give plenty of BS reasons.

(Wait for the BS! Falsified death certificates! Or of covid vs. With covid! Or too many fat people! Or too many people with co-morbidities! Or? The list of all the BS excuses will be longer than the original post.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2619307]These are the numbers border patrol have to the DOJ, Whitehouse and congress. Biden reversed Trump Stay in Mexico policy and the Supreme Court has ruled Biden must reinstate the policy but Biden is ignoring it like he ignored all the crises in USA. Just like you ignore the facts. Do you really think that the thousands of illegals that are travelling through Mexico with Biden shirts and signs will be returned? Do you not see Biden flying thousands of illegals to other cities in the middle of the night. The border is not secure. Either by Biden policies or Biden being incompetent. He won't even go to the border because he knows what he is going to see.[/QUOTE]You've claimed that 1. 5 million undocumented aliens got into the USA Due to Biden's "open borders" policy. I still haven't seen your sources for this number or for the "open borders" bit. To the best of my knowledge, Trump's TItle 42 expulsions policy is not only fully intact, but Biden's lawyers are actively defending it in courts. Do you have other information from reputable sources? Please share. You don't have to write a lot of words, just a link or two would suffice.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2619391]You've claimed that 1. 5 million undocumented aliens got into the USA Due to Biden's "open borders" policy. I still haven't seen your sources for this number or for the "open borders" bit. To the best of my knowledge, Trump's TItle 42 expulsions policy is not only fully intact, but Biden's lawyers are actively defending it in courts. Do you have other information from reputable sources? Please share. You don't have to write a lot of words, just a link or two would suffice.[/QUOTE]Here's your links. Now stop acting like you don't know WTF is going on.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-border-arrests-top-1-million-fiscal-year-2021-2021-06-25/[/URL]

[URL]https://cmsny.org/biden-immigration-executive-actions/[/URL]

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2619423]Now stop acting like you don't know WTF is going on.[/QUOTE]Exactly. There's no need to reply to a liar like that dude. You were being too kind.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619287]No, it really isn't "crushing red states". 4 of the top 10 states by rate of covid deaths per capita are New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL].

And as you can see from the link, no states are vastly higher than all the others. Given the well-known inconsistencies with how "covid deaths" are reported, they are frankly within each other's margin of error.

Anyway, why do you care? Shouldn't you be as happy to see all these republican voters dying [/QUOTE]Cerrtainly.

The United States will be better off without all these stupids.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2619265]Turning red states into blue states through attrition.

Works for me![/QUOTE]I am still doubled over in laughter concerning the Herman Cain twist.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619287]No, it really isn't "crushing red states". 4 of the top 10 states by rate of covid deaths per capita are New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL].

And as you can see from the link, no states are vastly higher than all the others. Given the well-known inconsistencies with how "covid deaths" are reported, they are frankly within each other's margin of error.
..[/QUOTE]Your link is about deaths per 100,000 since the beginning of Trump's Pandemic. Thanks to Biden's successful distribution of the vaccines, almost every Democrat has gotten vaccinated in the past few months. But a smaller percentage of Repubs have because, you know, Trump told you the dangers of his Pandemic virus is "a Democrat Party HOAX! and that "it will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!"

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2619423]Here's your links. Now stop acting like you don't know WTF is going on.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-border-arrests-top-1-million-fiscal-year-2021-2021-06-25/[/URL]

[URL]https://cmsny.org/biden-immigration-executive-actions/[/URL][/QUOTE]1. So 1 million people have been arrested at the border. Not been given a free hand to walk into America like our self-proclaimed "Former Democrat" said.

What's Biden's fault then? That they keep trying?

2. Dumping a long list of executive orders some of which have nothing to do with an issue at hand doesn't constitute a valid argument. I repeat, the most egregious Trump's Title 42 is still in place and used actively. This is the only executive order that matters.

[QUOTE]The United States has long guaranteed the right to seek asylum to individuals who arrive at our southern border and ask for protection. But since March 20, 2020, that fundamental right has been largely suspended. Since that date, both migrants seeking a better life in the United States and those seeking to apply for asylum have been turned away and expelled back to Mexico or their home countries. These border expulsions are carried out under a little-known provision of U.S. health law, section 265 of Title 42, which the former Trump administration invoked to achieve its long-desired goal of shutting the border. The Biden administration has continued using this provision, and over 1.2 million expulsions have been carried out since the pandemic began, even though ports of entry remain open with nearly 11 million people crossing the southern border every month and thousands flying into the United States every day.[/QUOTE]Now Now stop acting like you REALLY don't know WTF is going on.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619302]HAAAAAAA! Oh stop it! I'm crying with laughter here! The satire is too much! I can't breathe, as some guy said recently.[/QUOTE]Anyone who only watched CNN and MSNBC and not one minute of FUX News, OAN News or NEWSMAX over the past few months would probably have heard a variation of this theme regarding the 2 Infrastructure bills being legislated in Congress dozens of times per day;.

"CHAOS in the Democratic Party! Democrat IN -FIGHTING! BROKEN PROMISES! It is ALL on the Democrats! Can't find their own ass with both hands and a flashlight! If America doesn't get the Medicare For All, Free College, Paid Family Leave, Massive Jobs Creation and Wonderful Future it NEEDS and WANTS it will be the fault of The DEMOCRATS!"

Last I checked, there were 50 Repubs in the Senate drawing a tax-funded paycheck who have not lifted one likely gay wide-stance pinkie to support any of those things.

I'll bet most Americans have heard and might even know the names of the two (2) Democrats in the Senate who are triggering most of the negotiations in the legislating (not "chaos") that threaten the passage of 100% of the things America wants done. But I'll bet almost none of them have heard the names of the FIFTY (50) Republicans who are preventing America from getting done what they want done.

And when the bills are passed solely by Dems, cue Mainstream Media spinning them as "Too little, too late! GUTTED! A humiliating defeat for Dems, HUGE victory for Repubs!" despite the fact that any infrastructure bill they pass will be many times better than the NOTHING Trump and his fellow deadbeat Repubs passed in 4 years and even when they had more seats in the Senate.

Just like the Mainstream Media does for every Dem win and deadbeat do-nothing Repub disaster. The Mainsteam Media must always spin every outcome as a victory for their darling Repubs and loss for the Dems. It's the only way they can help their darling Repubs win elections considering their legislative results are either crap or non existent.

Everybody loves and sides with the "winners." So it is Mainsteam Media's mission to spin every outcome as pretty damn good for those "winner" Repubs and, gee, isn't it too bad for the "loser" Dems and their far superior legislative results time and time again.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619602]Anyone who only watched CNN and MSNBC and not one minute of FUX News, OAN News or NEWSMAX over the past few months would probably have heard a variation of this theme regarding the 2 Infrastructure bills being legislated in Congress dozens of times per day;.

"CHAOS in the Democratic Party! Democrat IN -FIGHTING! BROKEN PROMISES! It is ALL on the Democrats! Can't find their own ass with both hands and a flashlight! If America doesn't get the Medicare For All, Free College, Paid Family Leave, Massive Jobs Creation and Wonderful Future it NEEDS and WANTS it will be the fault of The DEMOCRATS!"

Last I checked, there were 50 Repubs in the Senate drawing a tax-funded paycheck who have not lifted one likely gay wide-stance pinkie to support any of those things.

I'll bet most Americans have heard and might even know the names of the two (2) Democrats in the Senate who are triggering most of the negotiations in the legislating (not "chaos") that threaten the passage of 100% of the things America wants done. But I'll bet almost none of them have heard the names of the FIFTY (50) Republicans who are preventing America from getting done what they want done.

And when the bills are passed solely by Dems, cue Mainstream Media spinning them as "Too little, too late! GUTTED! A humiliating defeat for Dems, HUGE victory for Repubs!" despite the fact that any infrastructure bill they pass will be many times better than the NOTHING Trump and his fellow deadbeat Repubs passed in 4 years and even when they had more seats in the Senate..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/us/media-research-center-hunter-biden-laptop-big-tech/2021/10/28/id/1042388/[/URL]

The typical republican home viewer is too stupid to fact check.

That's why their news programs are always so juvenile and unprofessional.

And stupidly wrong.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619602]The Mainsteam Media must always spin every outcome as a victory for their darling Repubs and loss for the Dems. It's the only way they can help their darling Repubs win elections considering their legislative results are either crap or non existent.

Everybody loves and sides with the "winners." So it is Mainsteam Media's mission to spin every outcome as pretty damn good for those "winner" Repubs and, gee, isn't it too bad for the "loser" Dems and their far superior legislative results time and time again.[/QUOTE]I don't think your interpretation of mainstream media motivations is fair. They are struggling to present themselves as neutral and fair, hence the attacks. This neutrality is something that Fox has never cared about since the day of its creation. They clearly and openly celebrate themselves as a mouthpiece for republicans.

As to others like OAN, Newsmax and dozens of radio shows around the country, those would've made Dr. Goebbels proud. Nothing to add there.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2618196]Spread increased due to the rise of variants blabla

As to leftists and mongering, such criticisms are ironic coming from family values, "heritage" pro-life God and country conservatives. Lolol It's uncanny how many of these cheat on their wives and dump and run barebacking hookers. This as you openly mock people of color while going to their countries to buy sex from them. Nonethess many left leaning Americans like me believe these choices are up to the women. In the countries I go to, Costa Rica and Colombia, at least 95% of the young women are surviving well enough outside prostitution, thus those who go into the industry typically do so by choice, a choice they should have if they are of age.[/QUOTE]A lot of gobbledygook in the first section. Belarus is one of many countries which never locked down and didn't have mass vaccination and guess what, their society hasn't collapsed! (That's even despite a failed CIA campaign to overthrow their leader and install a globohomo puppet).

China has been completely normal for over a year. If it wasn't for hysterical media, nobody would even know this so-called "pandemic" was happening. In normal times a ton of people die every day, particularly the elderly, obese and with other comorbidities.

Tens of thousands die every year from flu (except for last year, when flu deaths were mysteriously almost zero. Hmm, riddle me that batman).

The whole thing is a massive hoax. Nobody was paying attention to the global warming hoax, so they created another one which they are now trying to transition from "covid" to "climate change" into a permanent lockdown / enserfment / destruction of constitutional liberties.

As to the second part, rugged, rightwing adventurers have been travelling the globe and banging its choicest babes for hundreds of years. It is the thumb-sucking leftist soyboys who prefer to stay home and simp for some fat 40 year old feminist in the hope she will throw them a mercyfuck.

Does it not concern you in the slightest that the true leaders of your party, the far-left Marxist "Squad" of AOC, Brother-Marrier Omar, the crazy Palestinian terrorist, and the two angry black women (one with hair and one without, that's the only way I can tell them apart) literally want to imprison you for the crime of patriarchally oppressing the brown bodies of women of color? They no doubt consider what we do "are a p e" because of the "power imbalance".

Those are the people you vote for. Good job.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2619593]1. So 1 million people have been arrested at the border. Not been given a free hand to walk into America like our self-proclaimed "Former Democrat" said.

What's Biden's fault then? That they keep trying?

2. Dumping a long list of executive orders some of which have nothing to do with an issue at hand doesn't constitute a valid argument. I repeat, the most egregious Trump's Title 42 is still in place and used actively. This is the only executive order that matters.[/QUOTE]Arrested. And then released and told show up at an immigration office or given a court date, which well over 90% never attend.

And guess what. Biden's handlers have now banned ICE from chasing them when they fail to show up, meaning that nobody is enforcing immigration law and they get to stay forever, get welfare, undercut Americans, and vote illegally. Which is exactly what the democrats want.

As for the "asylum" issue, it has been so completely, laughably and egregiously abused that it had to change. You have Soros-funded lawyers coaching illegals on the exact wording to lie to border agents.

None of them are genuine refugees because there are no civil wars in their countries. They are just poor shitholes with no welfare. Sorry not sorry, that's not our problem.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2619374]But you mentioned that the US has 6% of the world's landmass and 4% of its population. Given that, shouldn't the US have about 4% of the world's deaths, too? But they have 15% of the world's deaths. How do you explain that? You can't but you'll give plenty of BS reasons.
[/QUOTE]Again, a non-sequitur. You go from claiming Trump was responsible "for the entire worldwide pandemic" to focusing on numbers in the US. Well which is it? Is Donald Trump responsible for the death of some guy in the Philippines or South Africa who contracted a disease which originated and came direct from China?

LOL, no doubt you will come up with some deranged fake news anti-logic for why he is, which will keep us all entertained.

As to US numbers, in reality they are much less than 15% of the worldwide total.

This is because in the third world, there are very few organized testing or reporting systems. When some serf or peasant in the sticks drops dead, people just shrug, bury / cremate them, and move on.

In the US, there is huge political pressure from Washington globohomo deep state to ramp up the covid numbers as high as possible in order to maintain the hysteria and implement their new world order of serfdom for formerly-free Americans. So they classify every single death with covid as of covid, including notoriously a guy who died in an auto accident.

By contrast, in the third world, in some rural village or shithole slum, a bunch of penniless people die of covid and nobody reports or even notices. So their reported numbers are lower than in reality.

Finally, the two major indicators of covid health problems are obesity and old age. This is universally accepted fact, so no doubt you will deny it in your customary deranged manner. America as a nation is significantly older and fatter than most of the world. Therefore it is to be expected that US numbers would be higher.

When all of the above is factored in, America's rates are little different from anywhere else.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619287]No, it really isn't "crushing red states". 4 of the top 10 states by rate of covid deaths per capita are New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL].

And as you can see from the link, no states are vastly higher than all the others. Given the well-known inconsistencies with how "covid deaths" are reported, they are frankly within each other's margin of error.

Anyway, why do you care? Shouldn't you be as happy to see all these republican voters dying as you are to see all those babies dying in planned parenthood abortion mills?

Yet again, we simply see that we have nothing in common. The United States cannot and should not continue like this.

You can have your blue-haired trannies, critical race theory, endless gene therapy injections, infinity illegals on welfare, abortions at 9 months, permanent lockdown and no flights due to covid and "climate change". We'll have traditional America. Let us go our separate ways.[/QUOTE]A smart person would say: "But what about what has happened recently?" The only source of that info is Beckers Hospital Review and it is [B]only[/B] for the past week. Unfortunately for the fascist party, it shows "red states" with the highest per capita death rates. [URL]https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/us-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-july-1.html[/URL].

Montana.

Deaths per 100,000: 1.31.

Daily average deaths: 14.

Idaho.

Deaths per 100,000: 1.2.

Daily average deaths: 21.4.

West Virginia.

Deaths per 100,000: 1.01.

Daily average deaths: 18.1.

North Dakota.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.94.

Daily average deaths: 7.1.

Wyoming.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.94.

Daily average deaths: 5.4.

Georgia.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.77.

Daily average deaths: 82.1.

Kansas.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.77.

Daily average deaths: 22.4.

Arizona.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 74.

Daily average deaths: 53.7.

Ohio.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.67.

Daily average deaths: 78.3.

South Carolina.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.65.

Daily average deaths: 33.7.

Kentucky.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.64.

Daily average deaths: 28.6.

Oklahoma.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.61.

Daily average deaths: 24.3.

Texas.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.57.

Daily average deaths: 164.

Nevada.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.54.

Daily average deaths: 16.6.

Florida.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.53.

Daily average deaths: 112.9.

Iowa.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.53.

Daily average deaths: 16.7.

Pennsylvania.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.53.

Daily average deaths: 68.

Michigan.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.5.

Daily average deaths: 50.1.

Tennessee.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.5.

Daily average deaths: 34.4.

Alaska.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.49.

Daily average deaths: 3.6.

Maine.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.48.

Daily average deaths: 6.4.

Arkansas.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.45.

Daily average deaths: 13.6.

Indiana.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 44.

Daily average deaths: 29.9.

Mississippi.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.44.

Daily average deaths: 13.

New Mexico.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.42.

Daily average deaths: 8.7.

South Dakota.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.42.

Daily average deaths: 3.7.

Delaware.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.41.

Daily average deaths: 4.

Virginia.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.41.

Daily average deaths: 34.6.

Colorado.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.4.

Daily average deaths: 23.3.

North Carolina.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.4.

Daily average deaths: 42.3.

Wisconsin.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.4.

Daily average deaths: 23.3.

Alabama.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.35.

Daily average deaths: 17.3.

Washington.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.35.

Daily average deaths: 26.6.

Oregon.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.34.

Daily average deaths: 14.1.

Utah.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.33.

Daily average deaths: 10.7.

Minnesota.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.31.

Daily average deaths: 17.6.

California.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.27.

Daily average deaths: 106.1.

Louisiana.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.25.

Daily average deaths: 11.7.

Illinois.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.23.

Daily average deaths: 29.4.

New Jersey.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.23.

Daily average deaths: 20.9.

Missouri.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.22.

Daily average deaths: 13.7.

Vermont.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.21.

Daily average deaths: 1.3.

Maryland.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.2.

Daily average deaths: 11.9.

Massachusetts.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.2.

Daily average deaths: 13.6.

New York State.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.19.

Daily average deaths: 36.3.

Hawaii.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.13.

Daily average deaths: 1.9.

Connecticut.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 12.

Daily average deaths: 4. 4.

Rhode Island.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.11.

Daily average deaths: 1.1.

Nebraska.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.08.

Daily average deaths: 1.6.

New Hampshire.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.07.

Daily average deaths: 1.

District of Columbia.

Deaths per 100,000: 0.04.

Daily average deaths: .3.

[URL]https://freebeacon.com/parody/liberals-against-women-minorities/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2619345]From a California democrat I like the traditional America better. Great post.[/QUOTE]Amen. Most Americans agree with us. Which is why the AOC / Ilhan Omar / Kamala Harris party is attempting to replace us with third world illegals.

The third world illegals pouring by the million over the border come from shitholes in which the average IQ is around 85.75 in Haiti. But that's not the worst bit.

As the last fairly-elected POTUS correctly said: "They're not sending their best. ".

The smart, above-average people in these places have no need to risk everything to trek illegally through cartel country. They have the intelligence, industry and wherewithal to maintain an adequate life at home.

The people in the so-called caravans are the dregs of these societies; the ones too stupid and useless to make it at home. If the average IQ of the country is 85, the average IQ in the caravans is probably 75.

Functionally retarded and useless for anything other than menial labour, breeding, and collecting welfare. Or as the democrats would say, "our base".

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2619593]1. So 1 million people have been arrested at the border. Not been given a free hand to walk into America like our self-proclaimed "Former Democrat" said.

What's Biden's fault then? That they keep trying?

2. Dumping a long list of executive orders some of which have nothing to do with an issue at hand doesn't constitute a valid argument. I repeat, the most egregious Trump's Title 42 is still in place and used actively. This is the only executive order that matters.

Now Now stop acting like you REALLY don't know WTF is going on.[/QUOTE]Deny and ignore and hope the Biden crises doesn't affect your welfare check. But you better start worrying as the illegals are going to want your welfare check.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2619693]Deny and ignore and hope the Biden crises doesn't affect your welfare check. But you better start worrying as the illegals are going to want your welfare check.[/QUOTE]No matter what your political party or beliefs I think we all can agree that Biden is a huge fuck up as President. Iy is a sad state of affairs.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2619593]1. So 1 million people have been arrested at the border. Not been given a free hand to walk into America like our self-proclaimed "Former Democrat" said.

What's Biden's fault then? That they keep trying?

2. Dumping a long list of executive orders some of which have nothing to do with an issue at hand doesn't constitute a valid argument. I repeat, the most egregious Trump's Title 42 is still in place and used actively. This is the only executive order that matters.

Now Now stop acting like you REALLY don't know WTF is going on.[/QUOTE]Here's another one for you. I think you're in denial.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anatomy-of-biden-s-catch-and-release-catastrophe/ar-AAQ3Soe?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2619619]I don't think your interpretation of mainstream media motivations is fair. They are struggling to present themselves as neutral and fair, hence the attacks. This neutrality is something that Fox has never cared about since the day of its creation. They clearly and openly celebrate themselves as a mouthpiece for republicans.

As to others like OAN, Newsmax and dozens of radio shows around the country, those would've made Dr. Goebbels proud. Nothing to add there.[/QUOTE]But there is nothing "fair" about spinning positive accomplishments by the only Party (Dems) whose legislation results ARE positive and typically historically so as negative and another example of what losers they are while also spinning the horrific legislative results of the only Party (Repub) that has gifted America with every major Recession, Depression and Massive USA Job Destruction in 100 years as more evidence that "those winner Republicans just handle the economy better than Democrats." Lol

It is as much if not more aggressive anti-Dem, pro-Repub electioneering as you'll see on FUX News, OAN News, NEWSMAX or any other loony fake news source. Worse, since Mainstream Media sources have been doing it longer and combined have a much, much bigger audience.

I just heard Brian Williams, MSNBCs nightly news host, remind his viewers for the umpteenth time that any failure to pass whatever America wants done for their infrastructure "is entirely on the Democrats." lol. All while every deadbeat Repub in Congress goes unmentioned sitting with their thumbs up their ass doing nothing for their pay as usual.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619747]I just heard Brian Williams, MSNBCs nightly news host, remind his viewers for the umpteenth time that any failure to pass whatever America wants done for their infrastructure "is entirely on the Democrats." lol. All while every deadbeat Repub in Congress goes unmentioned sitting with their thumbs up their ass doing nothing for their pay as usual.[/QUOTE]This is where we disagree. The way I see it enough Republicans voted with the Democrats to pass the infrastructure bill which would provide the jobs and much needed repairs besides providing a boost to the economy. It's the progressive Democrats who won't allow this bill to pass because they don't believe that their fellow democrats will pass the build back better bill with all of the free stuff, and they know the Republicans won't vote for that bill.

So I agree with Brian Williams on this. (I haven't been able to say that very often, LOL).

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619668]Arrested. And then released and told show up at an immigration office or given a court date, which well over 90% never attend.

And guess what. Biden's handlers have now banned ICE from chasing them when they fail to show up, meaning that nobody is enforcing immigration law and they get to stay forever, get welfare, undercut Americans, and vote illegally. Which is exactly what the democrats want.
...[/QUOTE]Your whole premise that people who benefit greatly from one Party's policies vs suffering greatly from another Party's policies will then vote for the former and not for the latter is deeply flawed reasoning and most definitely not supported by empirical evidence from the past or present.

If that were true nearly 100% of the American electorate would have voted for the Dems and only a tiny number of loony fringe masochists would have voted for Repubs since the early 1930's.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619780]You're whole premise that people who benefit greatly from one Party's policies vs suffering greatly from another Party's policies will then vote for the former and not for the latter is deeply flawed reasoning and most definitely not supported by empirical evidence from the past or present.

If that were true nearly 100% of the American electorate would have voted for the Dems and only a tiny number of loony fringe masochists would have voted for Repubs since the early 1930's.[/QUOTE]Precisely why they shouldn't be allowed to vote at all unless they become American citizens. Can you vote in Thailand? And I assume that you're here legally 555.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2619686][URL]https://freebeacon.com/parody/liberals-against-women-minorities/[/URL][/QUOTE]Ha! The seething fury of white shitlibs at blacks who escape the democrat plantation is truly something to behold.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2619786]Precisely why they shouldn't be allowed to vote at all unless they become American citizens. Can you vote in Thailand? And I assume that you're here legally 555.[/QUOTE]The difference is that in elections in Thailand (and pretty much everywhere else) they don't spam tens of millions of ballots out to every address in the country regardless of who actually lives there, or accept them back en masse from leftist political party operatives.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2619722]Here's another one for you. I think you're in denial.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anatomy-of-biden-s-catch-and-release-catastrophe/ar-AAQ3Soe?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531[/URL][/QUOTE]When even the legacy fake news is admitting something which is bad for the dems, you know in reality it is at least ten times worse.

Of course, they are allowed a little more leeway in non-election years in order to pretend to be impartial. If this was October 2022, and certainly October 2024, the news would be covered up just like Hunter's laptop and Tara Reade.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2619786]Precisely why they shouldn't be allowed to vote at all unless they become American citizens. Can you vote in Thailand? And I assume that you're here legally 555.[/QUOTE]Please kindly provide sources where non-citizens have successfully voted in American national elections.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2619777]This is where we disagree. The way I see it enough Republicans voted with the Democrats to pass the infrastructure bill which would provide the jobs and much needed repairs besides providing a boost to the economy. It's the progressive Democrats who won't allow this bill to pass because they don't believe that their fellow democrats will pass the build back better bill with all of the free stuff, and they know the Republicans won't vote for that bill.

So I agree with Brian Williams on this. (I haven't been able to say that very often, LOL).[/QUOTE]And what would happen if a few deadbeat Repubs in the House robbed those few supposedly stubborn obstructionist Dems of all their power by, you know, voting FOR that Social Infrastructure bill in order to get both bills passed quickly and easily? Perhaps even after, oh I don't know, CONTRIBUTING to the creation of it to include items they want to add and modifying items they don't like?

I know it is outrageous to even suggest deadbeat Repubs in Congress actually DO SOMETHING and WORK for a living. Brian Williams and most Mainsteam Media pundits wouldn't dare suggest such a thing.

Apparently, as long as all the deadbeat do-nothing Repubs in Congress start every congressional session by announcing "We're not going to work for our pay this year," they are politely absolved of any responsibility or blame for the failure of bills that are proposed, put on the table for debate and require a majority vote in the House and a 50+1 vote in the Senate to pass.

And Mainstream Media will be right there to make sure "There is nobody to blame but the Democrats" when bills are not passed thanks to zero participation by deadbeat Repubs in either or both Houses of Congress.

So they get a full pass and total absolution from you as well as Brian Williams for that, huh? Interesting. How nice for them.

Btw, both of those Infrastructure bills will create a ton of jobs well into the future, will dramatically improve the quality of life for all Americans and will return more on the investment than they cost. It isn't like either one of them is all huge cost with no meaningful upside. They are bills proposed and submitted by Dems, not Repubs.

In fact, for all the Repubs claiming to be hand-wringing worried about inflation, that 2nd one in particular is anti inflationary.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619882]The difference is that in elections in Thailand (and pretty much everywhere else) they don't spam tens of millions of ballots out to every address in the country regardless of who actually lives there, or accept them back en masse from leftist political party operatives.[/QUOTE]BFD. The only ballots that count are the ones that are returned [B]and signed with a signature that matches the signature on file when the voter registered[/B].

You are just another RethugliKKKan who doesn't understand signature matching.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619878]Ha! The seething fury of white shitlibs at blacks who escape the democrat plantation is truly something to behold.[/QUOTE]I guess you must've thought the word "parody" in the link had something to do with parrots. Or maybe a pair of dice.

ROFLMAO.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2619932]And what would happen if a few deadbeat Repubs in the House robbed those few supposedly stubborn obstructionist Dems of all their power by, you know, voting FOR that Social Infrastructure bill in order to get both bills passed quickly and easily? Perhaps even after, oh I don't know, CONTRIBUTING to the creation of it to include items they want to add and modifying items they don't like?[/QUOTE]If just a handful of votes are needed from either the far left democrats or some moderate republicans.

Well either one could get done. There are a few republicans from reddish states that can get reelected without help from TrumpShit.

The pub running for governor of Virginia recently told the Donald 'thanks, but no thanks', when TrumpShit offered to campaign with him.

Dem were saying last night that a dealio will happen.

Manchin said a day or two ago that he wanted the social infrastructure bill at no more than $1. 5 trillion, but he will probably get $1.75 shoved down his throat.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2619982]If just a handful of votes are needed from either the far left democrats or some moderate republicans.

Well either one could get done. There are a few republicans from reddish states that can get reelected without help from TrumpShit.

The pub running for governor of Virginia recently told the Donald 'thanks, but no thanks', when TrumpShit offered to campaign with him.

Dem were saying last night that a dealio will happen.

Manchin said a day or two ago that he wanted the social infrastructure bill at no more than $1. 5 trillion, but he will probably get $1.75 shoved down his throat.[/QUOTE]Yes, even at half the size of the original bill the Dems will pass legislation destined to be greater and more effective at improving the lives of all Americans than ever. But it will be missing some important provisions that would have made it even greater and more effective if just 2 of all 50 deadbeat Repubs in the Senate and a few deadbeat Repubs in the House had uncharacteristically worked for their tax-funded paycheck an hour or two.

I remember when Mainstream Media spent 8 years slamming Obama's successful negotiation of a historic Great Dem Recovery from the "Once in 100 Years!" collection of disasters he inherited from Bush2 for only asking for enough to get the job done tremendously fast and then settling for less but still enough to get the job done a bit slower. "He should ask for twice as much and negotiate down from there! Feckless loser!"

Now Mainsteam Media is slamming Biden for playing it exactly that way after inheriting another collection of "Once in 100 Years!" disasters from Trump. "He will only get HALF of the record amount he asked for and is settling for a lower record amount! Feckless loser!" Gotta' admire their consistency.

And it won't stop Repubs from claiming some responsibility for providing all the things their constituents back home will love about it, as they usually do after the Dems shoulder all the heavy lifting and assume all the political risk to get great things done for the country.

Combined with flipping control of the House, the Senate and the Presidency from Repubs to Dems during just one presidential term under Trump, the first time any Party has done that as far as I know, this will be another historic Dem victory on behalf of and to the great benefit of the American people.

Or, as Brian Williams and virtually every other supposedly "pro lib/Dem" Mainstream Media pundit will put it from now on, "A crushing, humiliating defeat and tragically lost opportunity for feckless Joe Biden and his fellow congressional Democratic Party losers and a huge, brilliantly conceived and executed win for those lovably irrepressible congressional Republican Party winners! Now, onward to the midterm election year!"

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2619975]I guess you must've thought the word "parody" in the link had something to do with parrots. Or maybe a pair of dice.

ROFLMAO.[/QUOTE]The reason it's so funny is because it could easily be real. That's how the comedy works, ya see. Actually it's significantly less deranged than most of your posts.

ROFLMAO.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2619974]BFD. The only ballots that count are the ones that are returned [B]and signed with a signature that matches the signature on file when the voter registered[/B].

You are just another RethugliKKKan who doesn't understand signature matching.[/QUOTE]Yeah, sure all those pallets of hundreds of thousands of ballots, 98% for Biden, which showed up at 4 am in Detroit, Philly and Atlanta after the Republican observers had all been forced out, all had their signatures checked meticulously.

ROFLMAO.

(You can just reply to every PVMonger post with "ROFLMAO" if you want to save time and get straight to the point).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2620074]Yes, even at half the size of the original bill the Dems will pass legislation destined to be greater and more effective at improving the lives of all Americans than ever. But it will be missing some important provisions that would have made it even greater and more effective if just 2 of all 50 deadbeat Repubs in the Senate and a few deadbeat Repubs in the House had uncharacteristically worked for their tax-funded paycheck an hour or two.

I remember when Mainstream Media spent 8 years slamming Obama's successful negotiation of a historic Great Dem Recovery from the "Once in 100 Years!" collection of disasters he inherited from Bush2 for only asking for enough to get the job done tremendously fast and then settling for less but still enough to get the job done a bit slower. "He should ask for twice as much and negotiate down from there! Feckless loser!"

Now Mainsteam Media is slamming Biden for playing it exactly that way after inheriting another collection of "Once in 100 Years!" disasters from Trump. "He will only get HALF of the record amount he asked for and is settling for a lower record amount! Feckless loser!" Gotta' admire their consistency.

And it won't stop Repubs from claiming some responsibility for providing all the things their constituents back home will love about it, as they usually do after the Dems shoulder all the heavy lifting and assume all the political risk to get great things done for the country.[/QUOTE]Democrats have control of the House, 50 of the 100 seats in the senate and the tie breaker with Harris for the senate and the presidency. They do not need one Republican to vote for anything as they have enough democrats to vote to pass everything. But unfortunately the socialists are controlling the democrat party and some democrats are smart enough to not vote for these failures and giveaways that will destroy the USA as we know it today. Thank God!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2619974]BFD. The only ballots that count are the ones that are returned [B]and signed with a signature that matches the signature on file when the voter registered[/B].

You are just another RethugliKKKan who doesn't understand signature matching.[/QUOTE]Your voting analysis is very similar to believing in the tooth fairy. Fortunately enough people are not in fantasyland but the real world.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2619913]Please kindly provide sources where non-citizens have successfully voted in American national elections.[/QUOTE]California! It happens every election as know one has to show ID as I found out when I tried to show my ID at the voting booth.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2619311]Just a tiny glimpse of reality amongst all the leftist vaxer fake news spewed like verbal diarrhea.[/QUOTE]Again one of this crazy Q Anon guys who use every BS to be against the great 'Trump Vaccine'.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620126]California! It happens every election as know one has to show ID as I found out when I tried to show my ID at the voting booth.[/QUOTE]I asked for [B]sources[/B] and you provide [B]opinions[/B].

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/11/fact-check-non-citizens-cannot-vote-california-elections/5285081002/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2620090]Yeah, sure all those pallets of hundreds of thousands of ballots, 98% for Biden, which showed up at 4 am in Detroit, Philly and Atlanta after the Republican observers had all been forced out, all had their signatures checked meticulously.

ROFLMAO.

(You can just reply to every PVMonger post with "ROFLMAO" if you want to save time and get straight to the point).[/QUOTE]This BS claim has been debunked about a thousand times. ROFLMAO indeed.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620123]Democrats have control of the House, 50 of the 100 seats in the senate and the tie breaker with Harris for the senate and the presidency. They do not need one Republican to vote for anything as they have enough democrats to vote to pass everything. But unfortunately the socialists are controlling the democrat party and some democrats are smart enough to not vote for these failures and giveaways that will destroy the USA as we know it today. Thank God![/QUOTE]Another RethugliKKKan who doesn't understand the filibuster. But 74 million of them don't, so it is understandable. After all, believing the "big lie", believing that January 6th was just another day, believing that the former guy was always right, et cetera is all part of being a trumper.

Sad.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620123]Democrats have control of the House, 50 of the 100 seats in the senate and the tie breaker with Harris for the senate and the presidency. They do not need one Republican to vote for anything as they have enough democrats to vote to pass everything. [/QUOTE]No.

Sorry Charlie.

Or maybe sorry Cali.

Next time you try your amateur analysis.

Look up the word "Filibuster".

For critical knowledge about what you're writing.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2620360]Another RethugliKKKan who doesn't understand the filibuster. But 74 million of them don't, so it is understandable. After all, believing the "big lie", believing that January 6th was just another day, believing that the former guy was always right, et cetera is all part of being a trumper.

Sad.[/QUOTE]The filibuster has nothing to do with the Biden build back better sham. All he needs is 50 democrat votes and Harris. And he doesn't have that.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-2-senators-wouldnt-172049309.html[/URL]

Maybe it is you who don't understand the filibuster. The house does not need one republican vote either but the socialists are fighting with the democrats on how much money the government will waste.

The Democratic Party is a joke right now. They are fighting amongst their selves more than against the Republicans. Just like you socialists bashing both democrats and Republicans.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2620310]I asked for [B]sources[/B] and you provide [B]opinions[/B].

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/11/fact-check-non-citizens-cannot-vote-california-elections/5285081002/[/URL][/QUOTE]I like many California people tried to present our ID to vote and we were told they were not checking IDs. I am sure the Liberal press will not publish this but as a California resident I have witnessed it and I did vote for Biden. Now you are calling democrats liars much the same as the socialists calling democrats liars in the House.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2620090]Yeah, sure all those pallets of hundreds of thousands of ballots, 98% for Biden, which showed up at 4 am in Detroit, Philly and Atlanta after the Republican observers had all been forced out, all had their signatures checked meticulously.

ROFLMAO.

(You can just reply to every PVMonger post with "ROFLMAO" if you want to save time and get straight to the point).[/QUOTE]Exactly! Typical democrat election fraud. A couple days ago the democrat Secretary of State stated the governor race may not be decided on Election Day as they are going to allow mail in votes for 3 days after the election. Does this sound familiar?

[QUOTE=Beno69;2620159]Again one of this crazy Q Anon guys who use every BS to be against the great 'Trump Vaccine'..[/QUOTE]The source is Johns Hopkins University. So yeah, just "crazy Q Anon guys".

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2620316]This BS claim has been debunked about a thousand times. ROFLMAO indeed.[/QUOTE]Narrator: "It was never debunked. ROFLMAO."

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620123]Democrats have control of the House, 50 of the 100 seats in the senate and the tie breaker with Harris for the senate and the presidency. They do not need one Republican to vote for anything as they have enough democrats to vote to pass everything. But unfortunately the socialists are controlling the democrat party and some democrats are smart enough to not vote for these failures and giveaways that will destroy the USA as we know it today. Thank God![/QUOTE]If I hire a team of 10 contractors to repair the damage done to my house with a 30 day deadline to get it done and on day one 5 of them announce they'll gladly accept the money but have no intention of doing any work for it, offer any ideas or contribute to the process at all, I'm going to blame those 5 deadbeats for whatever I DON'T get for my money at the end of those 30 days.

Yeah, if 1-2 of the 5 who DID contribute something to getting the job done turn out to be a drag on the process I'll blame them too.

But I sure as hell won't just shrug off the original 5 total deadbeats and ONLY blame the 5 who did all the work simply because the 5 total deadbeats made their grand admission they intend to be deadbeats on day one the way Mainstream Media insists I ought to react and respond to deadbeat Repubs vs working Dems;

"Well, they told me on day one they'll take my money but aren't going to do any work for it, so I guess that's that, can't blame them for whatever goes wrong, I'll just blame and punish the other 5 for it."

uh..no.

Anyone even remotely suggesting I ought to react and respond that way would almost certainly be very much aligned with and in support of those 5 deadbeats and not the 5 workers.

I'm not talking about the one bill where the Dems included a sliver of projects Repub deadbeats were ok to approve because they always approve them when they are put on the table for a vote (deadbeat Repub Moscow Mitch never put them up for a vote when he was Senate majority leader under Trump, but worker Dem Schumer did under Biden). If they don't vote for those things when given the chance their constituents fire them from their cushy job so there is little praise to be handed out for that.

That's like praising the 5 deadbeat contractors in my analogy for using my toilet to take a shit while they're collecting pay for doing nothing rather than unloading in their own lunch bucket.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620397]I like many California people tried to present our ID to vote and we were told they were not checking IDs. I am sure the Liberal press will not publish this but as a California resident I have witnessed it and I did vote for Biden. Now you are calling democrats liars much the same as the socialists calling democrats liars in the House.[/QUOTE]So what. Were you registered to vote? Do you remember what you signed? You probably don't, but I'll bet that you signed a form stating that it was illegal to vote (and against both state and federal law) if you weren't a citizen. Here are the requirements to register in California. [URL]https://howto.vote/register/en/ca.html[/URL].

Did you have to sign the poll book?

I'll bet you did.

What you fail to realize, primarily because you don't want to, is that somebody checked your signature against the signature in the poll book.

You and the rest of the QOP make a big deal out of IDs but forget completely about fake IDs.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2620415]Narrator: "It was never debunked. ROFLMAO."[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2021/02/05/gateway-pundit-video-doesnt-show-election-fraud-detroit/4411975001/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/12/four-viral-videos-falsely-suggest-voter-fraud-led-bidens-victory/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-nighttime-video-philadelphi-idUSKBN27S2BE[/URL]

[URL]https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/3/21548013/pennsylvania-voter-fraud-misinformation-viral-twitter[/URL]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/01/12/report-georgia-prosecutor-installed-by-trump-closes-voter-fraud-investigations/?sh=664a6cda496b[/URL]

Yep. Debunked.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620395]The filibuster has nothing to do with the Biden build back better sham. All he needs is 50 democrat votes and Harris. And he doesn't have that.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-2-senators-wouldnt-172049309.html[/URL]

Maybe it is you who don't understand the filibuster. The house does not need one republican vote either but the socialists are fighting with the democrats on how much money the government will waste.

The Democratic Party is a joke right now. They are fighting amongst their selves more than against the Republicans. Just like you socialists bashing both democrats and Republicans.[/QUOTE]Here's your original quote (but the emphasis is mine): "Democrats have control of the House, 50 of the 100 seats in the senate and the tie breaker with Harris for the senate and the presidency. [B]They do not need one Republican to vote for anything as they have enough democrats to vote to pass everything[/B]. But unfortunately the socialists are controlling the democrat party and some democrats are smart enough to not vote for these failures and giveaways that will destroy the USA as we know it today. Thank God!

Your original, bolded comment is, therefore completely incorrect. Democrats need 60 votes to pass any non-budgetary bills. This might be news to you, but the "Build Back Better" plan is budgetary and therefore not subject to the filibuster. But you'd need a third grade understanding of civics to make that distinction.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620398]Exactly! Typical democrat election fraud. A couple days ago the democrat Secretary of State stated the governor race may not be decided on Election Day as they are going to allow mail in votes for 3 days after the election. Does this sound familiar?[/QUOTE]I'll bet what you [B]didn't mention[/B] was that the ballots needed to be postmarked by election day. See, that's what the QOP thrives on. Misinformation.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2620615]I'll bet what you [B]didn't mention[/B] was that the ballots needed to be postmarked by election day. See, that's what the QOP thrives on. Misinformation.[/QUOTE]Not misinformation. If democrat is losing on Election Day they will find a way to get more ballots postmarked. Just like they did in several states during the general election.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2620601]So what. Were you registered to vote? Do you remember what you signed? You probably don't, but I'll bet that you signed a form stating that it was illegal to vote (and against both state and federal law) if you weren't a citizen. Here are the requirements to register in California. [URL]https://howto.vote/register/en/ca.html[/URL].

Did you have to sign the poll book?

I'll bet you did.

What you fail to realize, primarily because you don't want to, is that somebody checked your signature against the signature in the poll book.

You and the rest of the QOP make a big deal out of IDs but forget completely about fake IDs.[/QUOTE]While I was voting a bus pulled up carrying about 40 Hispanics that spoke no English. Can't speak English. Can't read English. Do you think they read it was illegal to vote if they weren't legal. In California democrats were busing thousands of people to vote who spoke no English. In many cases they only voted for the president. And you really think illegals didn't vote? Why do you think the southern border is open to illegals? More votes in next election.

Biden making big statement for climate and reducing using fossil fuels. Biden takes one third of his cabinet to meeting burning thousands of gallons of jet fuel on Air Force One, another big jet and several private jets. His 85 vehicle motorcade for the summit of Big SUV and limos. Reducing fossil fuels is for the dummies. Not the leaders of our country. USA sends almost as many people as the other countries combined. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620665]Biden making big statement for climate and reducing using fossil fuels. Biden takes one third of his cabinet to meeting burning thousands of gallons of jet fuel on Air Force One, another big jet and several private jets. His 85 vehicle motorcade for the summit of Big SUV and limos. Reducing fossil fuels is for the dummies. Not the leaders of our country. USA sends almost as many people as the other countries combined. Hypocrisy at its finest.[/QUOTE]Election day Nov 2022 can't get here fast enough.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/approval-rating-nbc-democrat/2021/10/31/id/1042683/[/URL]

Then election day Nov 2024, to save this sinking ship.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620655]Not misinformation. If democrat is losing on Election Day they will find a way to get more ballots postmarked. Just like they did in several states during the general election.[/QUOTE]Medication maybe. Or psychiatric help. You believe in fairy tales. Or the former guy.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2620604]*inserts corporate legacy fake news media sites*

Yep. Debunked.[/QUOTE]Yep. ROFLMAO.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2620680]Election day Nov 2022 can't get here fast enough.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/approval-rating-nbc-democrat/2021/10/31/id/1042683/[/URL]

Then election day Nov 2024, to save this sinking ship.[/QUOTE]With democrat mail-in scams and the millions of illegals they've let in, elections have little credibility. Frankly, we are most likely past the possibility of a political solution.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620655]Not misinformation. If democrat is losing on Election Day they will find a way to get more ballots postmarked. Just like they did in several states during the general election.[/QUOTE]Indeed. And even if they don't, they've already kicked out or denied entry to all the Republican observers, so who's going to scrutinize the hundreds of thousands of ballots that show up at 3 am in democrat-run shithole cities, 98% for Biden / Harris / whoever?

Elections no longer have credibility. Time to look for alternative solutions to our worsening problems.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2620613]Here's your original quote (but the emphasis is mine): "Democrats have control of the House, 50 of the 100 seats in the senate and the tie breaker with Harris for the senate and the presidency. [B]They do not need one Republican to vote for anything as they have enough democrats to vote to pass everything[/B]. But unfortunately the socialists are controlling the democrat party and some democrats are smart enough to not vote for these failures and giveaways that will destroy the USA as we know it today. Thank God!

Your original, bolded comment is, therefore completely incorrect. Democrats need 60 votes to pass any non-budgetary bills. This might be news to you, but the "Build Back Better" plan is budgetary and therefore not subject to the filibuster. But you'd need a third grade understanding of civics to make that distinction.[/QUOTE]Er, he said the democrats don't need republican votes for the 6 uild 6 ack 6 etter scam. You just agreed that it is budgetary and therefore not subject to the filibuster. So you supported his point without realizing it.

ROFLMAO.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620665]Biden making big statement for climate and reducing using fossil fuels. Biden takes one third of his cabinet to meeting burning thousands of gallons of jet fuel on Air Force One, another big jet and several private jets. His 85 vehicle motorcade for the summit of Big SUV and limos. Reducing fossil fuels is for the dummies. Not the leaders of our country. USA sends almost as many people as the other countries combined. Hypocrisy at its finest.[/QUOTE]Great post. Very good 7 minute monologue by a British commentator here - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U2UoR-oB1M[/URL] - pointing this out, and asking why, if they are they so worried about so-called "climate change" (which 30 years ago was supposed to have had us all underwater by 2020, and yet here we all are, dryer than a woman's vagina around a male democrat-voter) they emitted so much carbon in travelling to Britain for this grand panjandrum of nothingness?

Why not do the entire conference by Zoom, and save the planet?

The answer, of course, is that yet again these globalist "elites" do not intend the restrictive rules they enforce on the little people to apply to them.

Just contrast Nancy Pelosi and her wealthy donors or Barack and Big Mike Obama's party-goers, all maskless and in close proximity, with the masked (and no doubt vaxed and chipped) servants scuttling round following their orders.

Those servants / serfs are their model for the American middle and working class. The elites can fly anywhere, guzzle as much meat or carbon as they want, but by god you will live in a pod, eat bugs and never travel. And be thankful / guilty for your "white privilege."

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2620732]Er, he said the democrats don't need republican votes for the 6 uild 6 ack 6 etter scam. You just agreed that it is budgetary and therefore not subject to the filibuster. So you supported his point without realizing it.

ROFLMAO.[/QUOTE]First, the post I quoted was "Democrats have control of the House, 50 of the 100 seats in the senate and the tie breaker with Harris for the senate and the presidency. [B]They do not need one Republican to vote for anything as they have enough democrats to vote to pass everything.[/B] But unfortunately the socialists are controlling the democrat party and some democrats are smart enough to not vote for these failures and giveaways that will destroy the USA as we know it today. Thank God!

If you could actually read, he never mentioned "Build Back Better" within the quotes.

Second, you obviously don't know the meaning of the words [B]anything[/B] or [B]everything[/B]. Sad.

No wonder you voted for the former guy. He loves the uneducated.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2620727]With democrat mail-in scams and the millions of illegals they've let in, elections have little credibility. Frankly, we are most likely past the possibility of a political solution.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c79vPD6geWw[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2620680]Election day Nov 2022 can't get here fast enough.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/approval-rating-nbc-democrat/2021/10/31/id/1042683/[/URL]

Then election day Nov 2024, to save this sinking ship.[/QUOTE]Yes, your precious American democracy-hating Repubs are expected to "win" several more congressional seats without actually winning any more votes and likely with even fewer votes than they got last time thanks to Trump's blatant manipulation of the census and his fellow American democracy-hating Repubs rigging it for their benefit.

For example, I hear 95% of the people who moved to Texas since the previous census were Mexican-Americans who fled California because they were priced out of its housing market. Yet, somehow, miraculously, the 2 new Texas districts gerrymandered into existance this year are 99.99% white Repub districts without one new predominantly Mexican-American or likely Dem district in sight. LOL.

There is really no way for Repubs to "win" elections in America so they can continue to Crash the economy, wipe out millions of jobs, defund the police, defund the military and so on anymore unless they go to extraordinary measures to rig those elections.

Which is the ONLY thing Repubs have been working on while Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the Dems have been busy successfully recovering us from the recent historic Trump/Repub disasters on all fronts.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620655]Not misinformation. [b]If democrat is losing on Election Day they will find a way to get more ballots postmarked.[/b] Just like they did in several states during the general election.[/QUOTE]Wow, you really ARE insane.

I must say I had my doubts, so thank you for clarifying this.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2620727]With democrat mail-in scams and the millions of illegals they've let in, elections have little credibility. Frankly, we are most likely past the possibility of a political solution.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, the GQP is long on anger but short on historical knowledge.

One-hundred-and-sixty-some-odd-years-ago, a bunch of racist Southern states abandoned a political solution. It didn't work out well for them.

Eighty-some-odd-years-ago, fascists in Germany, Italy and Japan tried tried the same thing. Didn't work out well for them either.

Racist, fascist MAGAts don't have history on their side. But they will try anyway because they are not educated about history. And the former guy likes it that way. He even said he loves the poorly educated.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2620871]Wow, you really ARE insane.

I must say I had my doubts, so thank you for clarifying this.[/QUOTE]It happened in the past and I know it will happen again. The Democratic Party is in shambles. From Harris hiring child actors to make her look important to hiring actors to portray racists pretending to be Republicans. The democrats will do anything to win an election lie, cheat legal or not illegal. I am embarrassed to be a registered democrat. I will be independent in the future. The new poll shows democrats have lost faith in Biden nationwide in the new polls. Almost half of the democrats disapprove of his performance on the border and other issues. Only the far left and the socialists supports him so we know where you fit in.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2620831]First, the post Iblablabla[/QUOTE]He was talking about the 6 build 6 ack 6 etter scam, as you acknowledged when you wrote "Democrats need 60 votes to pass any non-budgetary bills. This might be news to you, but the "Build Back Better" plan is budgetary and therefore not subject to the filibuster. ".

So your attempt at smug soyboy snark blew up in your face like an illegal Mexican's pinata, and either you're too stupid to realize it, or you're trying ferociously to pretend it didn't. Either way, not a good look.

Almost as bad a look as Biden standing fists outstretched in the Beavis cornholio position during a live CNN Town Hall in a desperate attempt not to shit himself. At least it was with Anderson Cooper, so he'd be unfazed by the smell.

Sadly it couldn't save him at the Vatican, where he apparently had to be cleaned up after a little accident during his meeting with the Pope. A message from God over his claim to be a Catholic while enthusiastically supporting and funding abortion, perhaps?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620998]It happened in the past and I know it will happen again. The Democratic Party is in shambles. From Harris hiring child actors to make her look important to hiring actors to portray racists pretending to be Republicans. The democrats will do anything to win an election lie, cheat legal or not illegal. I am embarrassed to be a registered democrat. I will be independent in the future. The new poll shows democrats have lost faith in Biden nationwide in the new polls. Almost half of the democrats disapprove of his performance on the border and other issues. Only the far left and the socialists supports him so we know where you fit in.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. Things have gotten so bad for Biden's handlers, with their disastrous economic mismanagement, open border policy, humiliation in Afghanistan, attempts to brand parents as domestic terrorists for objecting to their children being assaulted by trannies in school bathrooms, anti-white hate, Biden's obvious, embarrassing and worsening dementia, and the general decline and malaise of his administration, that not even the fake news and Big Tech censorship can save them.

For most Americans, the fake media spell has been broken. If elections were conducted with integrity as in all other democracies, and only Americans voted, the result would be a Reaganesque GOP landslide.

Unfortunately, our enemies are aware of this, which is why we now have neither of those things.

Elections are a rigged scam, with hundreds of millions of ballots spammed out wherever, Republican observers kicked out and windows boarded up in democrat shithole city counting centers, counts halted when democrats are losing and then hundreds of thousands of ballots miraculously materializing at 4 am in those same democrat shithole cities, 98% for the democrat candidate.

And the deliberate swarming of our border by third world illegals, facilitated by Biden's handlers, means that many more of them will vote illegally for more welfare. It's not like we have in-person voting or ID verification to stop them, is it?

Remember, the third world illegals swarming the border are the dregs of their own countries. Most people even in the third world are able to live a satisfactory life. The only ones who will trek dangerously and illegally across cartel-run deserts are those too stupid and useless to make a life for themselves back home, where there is no welfare, and so they need to get to America to suckle on the taxpayer teat.

We are literally getting the 75-IQ dregs from third world shithole countries: the worst human capital on the planet. A permanent democrat-voting welfare underclass.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2620864] I hear 95% of the people who moved to Texas since the previous census were Mexican-Americans who fled California because they were priced out of its housing market.[/QUOTE]Really? 95%? Where did you "hear" that?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2620864]Yes, your precious American democracy-hating Repubs are expected to "win" several more congressional seats without actually winning any more votes and likely with even fewer votes than they got last time thanks to Trump's blatant manipulation of the census and his fellow American democracy-hating Repubs rigging it for their benefit.

For example, I hear 95% of the people who moved to Texas since the previous census were Mexican-Americans who fled California because they were priced out of its housing market. Yet, somehow, miraculously, the 2 new Texas districts gerrymandered into existance this year are 99.99% white Repub districts without one new predominantly Mexican-American or likely Dem district in sight. LOL.

There is really no way for Repubs to "win" elections in America so they can continue to Crash the economy, wipe out millions of jobs, defund the police, defund the military and so on anymore unless they go to extraordinary measures to rig those elections.

Which is the ONLY thing Repubs have been working on while Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the Dems have been busy successfully recovering us from the recent historic Trump/Repub disasters on all fronts.[/QUOTE]Both parties do that bullshit and the SC says its ok.

But you don't like when the republicans do it? Really?

Are you suggesting by not complaining that the demodouches also do it, you like when they do it?

[URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2019/05/08/texas-keeps-growing-where-are-newest-transplants-coming/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diverse-generation/[/URL]

Two reports to show Indians, Chinese and other Asians make up the bulk of Texan inward migration; immigration often exceeds migration from other US states; the intra generational Texan demographics.

These posts are just to show Americans don't even know about America, just prejudice and bias all the way. If you want to look at one party states, try Ohio, solidly democrat since Al Capone got through his health reform measures. We still benefit from Al Capone's reforms: he is the reason milk cartons carry expiration dates.

Here in Europe, we laugh at your mad Caesar, Biden, who shtt his pants when visiting the Pope. Only Capones could get that incontinent clown elected. But then the USA has Capones in spades.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2620864]Yes, your precious American democracy-hating Repubs are expected to "win" several more congressional seats without actually winning any more votes and likely with even fewer votes than they got last time thanks to Trump's blatant manipulation of the census and his fellow American democracy-hating Repubs rigging it for their benefit.

For example, I hear 95% of the people who moved to Texas since the previous census were Mexican-Americans who fled California because they were priced out of its housing market. Yet, somehow, miraculously, the 2 new Texas districts gerrymandered into existance this year are 99.99% white Repub districts without one new predominantly Mexican-American or likely Dem district in sight. LOL.

There is really no way for Repubs to "win" elections in America so they can continue to Crash the economy, wipe out millions of jobs, defund the police, defund the military and so on anymore unless they go to extraordinary measures to rig those elections..[/QUOTE]Please provide documentation for proof of 95%.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2621116]Both parties do that bullshit and the SC says its ok.

But you don't like when the republicans do it? Really?

Are you suggesting by not complaining that the demodouches also do it, you like when they do it?[/QUOTE]Democrats do it, not as much as Republicans, and not nearly as well. They also do it to achieve different results. The Maryland example that got cited as an example along with the Wisconsin one that went to the Supreme court say it all. Democrats gerrymander to entrench machine politicians and power brokers within the party. Republicans do it to seize power.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2621116]Yet, somehow, miraculously, the 2 new Texas districts gerrymandered into existence this year are 99.99% white Repub districts without one new predominantly Mexican-American or likely Dem district in sight. LOL.[/QUOTE]There's probably a lot more to this than you think. When redistricting happens, a bunch of politicians of the Minority party go to the state legislature and ask them to keep their districts safe. The Majority party is usually more than happy to makes them an 80/20 district, making it possible to draw 2 flippable districts. I remember looking a while back and Dan Crenshaw has one of the most fucked up looking districts in the country. I think the worst are still in Chicago and Wisconsin.

Independent redistricting commissions and some of the geometric models and such are the best way of keeping the house competitive and returning a sane Government, but that's never going to happen. California has independent redistricting, and something like 10 of their 50 seats are considered battleground districts. Like 8 of them have flipped back and forth between the last 2 congressional elections. You'd never, ever get a scenario where Republicans would implement a system like that in Florida, Texas or Georgia.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2621096]He was talking about the 6 build 6 ack 6 etter scam, as you acknowledged when you wrote "Democrats need 60 votes to pass any non-budgetary bills. This might be news to you, but the "Build Back Better" plan is budgetary and therefore not subject to the filibuster. ".

So your attempt at smug soyboy snark blew up in your face like an illegal Mexican's pinata, and either you're too stupid to realize it, or you're trying ferociously to pretend it didn't. Either way, not a good look.

Almost as bad a look as Biden standing fists outstretched in the Beavis cornholio position during a live CNN Town Hall in a desperate attempt not to shit himself. At least it was with Anderson Cooper, so he'd be unfazed by the smell.

Sadly it couldn't save him at the Vatican, where he apparently had to be cleaned up after a little accident during his meeting with the Pope. A message from God over his claim to be a Catholic while enthusiastically supporting and funding abortion, perhaps?[/QUOTE]Only a MAGAt could misread the original Californicator post as badly as you did (even with the [B]entire original post[/B] reproduced in black-and-white for you), then double-down on their own stupidity. But that's the MAGAt philosophy.

The original post said that the Democrats could pass [B]everything[/B] they wanted and didn't need Republican votes to pass [B]anything[/B]. No Build Back Better mentioned, no matter what the former guy told you.

But MAGAts are experts in hearing what they want. Reading, however, isn't in their wheelhouse, as evidenced by your epic self-own.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2621099]Really? 95%? Where did you "hear" that?[/QUOTE]The headline to this article says that 95% of Texas' inbound migration between 2010 and 2020 were people of color. Of course, fascists will either call the report "fake news" or will say that the numbers include illegals (even though they weren't mentioned). [URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-2020-census/[/URL].

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2621116]Both parties do that bullshit and the SC says its ok.

But you don't like when the republicans do it? Really?

Are you suggesting by not complaining that the demodouches also do it, you like when they do it?[/QUOTE]As I have stated before, I am in favor of either major Party doing whatever is legal as long as the repeated, consistent historic and contemporary results of them doing it are Great Economic Recoveries, Expansions, Record High USA Jobs Creation and Bull Market Gains rather than Great Economic Downturns, Recessions, Depressions, Massive USA Jobs Destruction and record Bear Market Crashes.

Naturally, that means the unavoidable, inarguable conclusion must be that I "like it" when Democrats do it and "don't like it" when Republicans do it. As would any patriotic American wanting the best rather than the worst outcomes for America.

Silly question.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2621133]Please provide documentation for proof of 95%.[/QUOTE][B]People of color make up 95% of Texas population growth, and cities and suburbs are booming, 2020 census shows[/B]
[URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-2020-census/[/URL]
[quote]The state’s Hispanic population is now nearly as large as the non-Hispanic white population, with Texas gaining nearly 11 Hispanic residents for every additional white resident since 2010. Those trends set up a pitched battle for political control when state lawmakers redraw legislative districts.[/quote]

The first response from a simple Google Search on the topic.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2621215]The first response from a simple Google Search on the topic.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2619610]The typical republican home viewer is too stupid to fact check.

That's why their news programs are always so juvenile and unprofessional.

And stupidly wrong.[/QUOTE]I knew it would be simple to confirm.

People who never confirm what they are told.

Don't understand the reliability of their sources.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620655]Not misinformation. If democrat is losing on Election Day they will find a way to get more ballots postmarked. Just like they did in several states during the general election.[/QUOTE]How then did the former guy win any states at all?

If Democrats kept piles of Democratic-marked ballots lying around, why did they use them only in a few states? Why not use them in all states? Were the Democrats smarter in some states than others?

Enquiring minds want to know how you came up with this preposterous idea.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2621225]I knew it would be simple to confirm.

People who never confirm what they are told.

Don't understand the reliability of their sources.[/QUOTE]There's simple and there's MAGAt-simple.

Simple is doing an internet search and posting a source. It usually means reading several sources to find agreement.

MAGAt-simple is (first) yelling fake news at the top of your lungs, (second) bad-mouthing any and all mainstream media while usually calling them LAMESTREAM media, (third) believing every rightwingnut cockamamie idea made up by the rightwingnut media, (fourth) believing that opinions are actually facts and (fifth) believing that opinion shows on Fux "News", OANN, et cetera report real news and not cockamamie BS.

MAGAt-simple is much easier, as long as nobody uses bigly words.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2621215][B]People of color make up 95% of Texas population growth, and cities and suburbs are booming, 2020 census shows[/B]
[URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-2020-census/[/URL]


The first response from a simple Google Search on the topic.[/QUOTE]Very different from the original claim, which was that "Mexican-Americans fleeing California made up 95% of the state's growth."

In fact it is "people of color" (but never "colored people", of course) many of whom are illegals who will need to go back one way or another.

Don't forget the ever popular "everyone knows"!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2621427]There's simple and there's MAGAt-simple.

Simple is doing an internet search and posting a source. It usually means reading several sources to find agreement.

MAGAt-simple is (first) yelling fake news at the top of your lungs, (second) bad-mouthing any and all mainstream media while usually calling them LAMESTREAM media, (third) believing every rightwingnut cockamamie idea made up by the rightwingnut media, (fourth) believing that opinions are actually facts and (fifth) believing that opinion shows on Fux "News", OANN, et cetera report real news and not cockamamie BS.

MAGAt-simple is much easier, as long as nobody uses bigly words.[/QUOTE]There's simple and there's woke simple.

Simple is following basic human biology and science.

Woke-simple is (first) yelling "trans women are women and the world is going to end in 10 years unless you all eat bugs and live in a pod" at the top of your lungs.

(second) bad-mouthing any and all reality-based media by calling them "Fascists" and "Fux News", and attempting to have anyone who advocates such reality-based ideas fired and imprisoned.

(third) believing every leftwingcommie cokamamie idea made up by the democommie media such as "RussiaRussiaRussia" which was investigated for 2 years and no evidence found.

(fourth) believing that opinions are actually facts (like "Admiral" Levine is the "first female four-star admiral".

(fifth) believing that Chris "Fredo" Cuomo, that Maddow guy, and the crazy race lady ironically named "Joy" report real news and not cockamamie BS.

Woke-simple is much easier, as long as nobody misgenders anyone.

Sorry not sorry about Virginia, but you know it is all about the long term. One loss should not matter. Your goal should be doing what is right no matter what the political cost.

So on that end, let me give you all some advice. Declare some workers as unessential, vaccinate as many 5 years old as you can, defund the police, ban parents from schools, embrace critical race teachings, redefine vaccines again, ban the unvaccinated from all aspects of society, and by all means, let's get back to the economy stimulating lockdowns that were so beneficial to our country.

Don't listen to the doubters. Be assured in your convictions.

And when the doubters say, "Joe Biden has lower approval ratings at this stage of his presidency than nearly any president in the era of modern polling. " by all means tune them out.

Who said that? Fux News? OAN? Epoch Times?

Maybe I should have listed the whole quote. The New York Times's Nate Cohn wrote. "Joe Biden has lower approval ratings at this stage of his presidency than nearly any president in the era of modern polling."

He he. It looks like the house of douches is turning on its own.

Huge result for Glenn Youngkin yesterday, winning the blue state of Virginia. Normal people are sick of Biden's handlers and their open borders, defunding of police and bailing out of violent criminals, military humiliations abroad, woke lunacy and anti-white hate, and failing economy.

Oh, and they're not too keen on trannies being allowed to rape young girls in school bathrooms while authorities and the media cover it up, and arrest, attack and brand as "domestic terrorists" parents who ask questions about it (or any other parts of the globohomo brainwashing operation that is public schools).

Note that the dems tried to rig the election like last year: there were, ahem, "delays" in the count from heavily democrat Fairfax County, and some ballots had to be, ahem, "rescanned". Fortunately the republican wave was so overwhelming that they were unable to steal it this time.

New Jersey also looks good for the GOP but closer, so I expect the democrat machine in shitholes like Newark will be able to rustle up enough pallets of mail-in ballots, 98% for the democrat, to get Murphy over the line (a guy who said that the Constitution was "above his pay grade".

When Biden saw the result, I bet he shit himself. Again.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2621427]There's simple and there's MAGAt-simple.

Simple is doing an internet search and posting a source. It usually means reading several sources to find agreement.

MAGAt-simple is (first) yelling fake news at the top of your lungs, (second) bad-mouthing any and all mainstream media while usually calling them LAMESTREAM media, (third) believing every rightwingnut cockamamie idea made up by the rightwingnut media, (fourth) believing that opinions are actually facts and (fifth) believing that opinion shows on Fux "News", OANN, et cetera report real news and not cockamamie BS.

MAGAt-simple is much easier, as long as nobody uses bigly words.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ChrisP;2621669]There's simple and there's woke simple.

Simple is following basic human biology and science.

Woke-simple is (first) yelling "trans women are women and the world is going to end in 10 years unless you all eat bugs and live in a pod" at the top of your lungs.

(second) bad-mouthing any and all reality-based media by calling them "Fascists" and "Fux News", and attempting to have anyone who advocates such reality-based ideas fired and imprisoned.

(third) believing every leftwingcommie cokamamie idea made up by the democommie media such as "RussiaRussiaRussia" which was investigated for 2 years and no evidence found..[/QUOTE]It is the genius Beatles against the lame copycat Rolling Stones.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2621447]Very different from the original claim, which was that "Mexican-Americans fleeing California made up 95% of the state's growth."

In fact it is "people of color" (but never "colored people", of course) many of whom are illegals who will need to go back one way or another.[/QUOTE]The claim was "I heard" that is where all those Mexican-Americans who moved to Texas came from.

You know who "I heard" that from? From people like you. LOL.

I thought the favorite winger meme on this was "Haha. People are fleeing California for Red States like Texas!"

Not so interested in pushing that meme if it means there are 11 Hispanics for every 1 white moving to Texas, huh?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2621679]Sorry not sorry about Virginia, but you know it is all about the long term. One loss should not matter. Your goal should be doing what is right no matter what the political cost.

So on that end, let me give you all some advice. Declare some workers as unessential, vaccinate as many 5 years old as you can, defund the police, ban parents from schools, embrace critical race teachings, redefine vaccines again, ban the unvaccinated from all aspects of society, and by all means, let's get back to the economy stimulating lockdowns that were so beneficial to our country.

Don't listen to the doubters. Be assured in your convictions.

And when the doubters say, "Joe Biden has lower approval ratings at this stage of his presidency than nearly any president in the era of modern polling. " by all means tune them out.

Who said that? Fux News? OAN? Epoch Times?

Maybe I should have listed the whole quote. The New York Times's Nate Cohn wrote. "Joe Biden has lower approval ratings at this stage of his presidency than nearly any president in the era of modern polling."

He he. It looks like the house of douches is turning on its own.[/QUOTE]I can't wait for the encore Nov 2022 and Nov 2024 the return of our Lord and Savior President Donald J Trump.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2621717]Huge result for Glenn Youngkin yesterday, winning the blue state of Virginia. Normal people are sick of Biden's handlers and their open borders, defunding of police and bailing out of violent criminals, military humiliations abroad, woke lunacy and anti-white hate, and failing economy.

Oh, and they're not too keen on trannies being allowed to rape young girls in school bathrooms while authorities and the media cover it up, and arrest, attack and brand as "domestic terrorists" parents who ask questions about it (or any other parts of the globohomo brainwashing operation that is public schools).

Note that the dems tried to rig the election like last year: there were, ahem, "delays" in the count from heavily democrat Fairfax County, and some ballots had to be, ahem, "rescanned". Fortunately the republican wave was so overwhelming that they were unable to steal it this time.

New Jersey also looks good for the GOP but closer, so I expect the democrat machine in shitholes like Newark will be able to rustle up enough pallets of mail-in ballots, 98% for the democrat, to get Murphy over the line (a guy who said that the Constitution was "above his pay grade".

When Biden saw the result, I bet he shit himself. Again.[/QUOTE]Proving once again how easily typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media manipulates you.

"Huge result for Glenn Youngkin"?

McCauliffe tried valiantly and came damn close to accomplishing something no one has ever done; win a second term for Governor of Virginia as a candidate of the same Party he ran under in his first term. Only 1 person has ever won a second term for Governor of Virginia. And that was a guy who won as a Democrat in 1965 before the Dems passed all those Civil Rights laws then won again in the 1970's as a Republican (not hard to figure out why doing that helped him in 1970s Virginia).

Furthermore, Virginia makes a habit of electing a Governor from the Party that is NOT currently in the White House. I'm not sure if or when there was an exception to that pattern.

So there are two big reasons it was practically a given that a Repub, any Repub, was going to win that election against a Dem this time around and especially a Dem who already served 1 term as Governor of Virginia.

Of course, that didn't stop the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media, that must always portray their beloved Repubs as "winners" and Dems as "losers", from characterizing an election race that was practically chiseled in stone to go to the Repub as a "defining election for Biden and the Dems."

It cracked me up when perennial pro-Repub False Equivalence and Bothsider host of Meet The Press, Chuck Todd, opened his show on the Virginia gubernatorial election day with some horseshit like, "This will be the most important, telling election for Biden and the Dems since Biden won the presidency!", obviously hoping no one in his audience remembers the truly HUGE recall election in California that happened just a few months ago that carried vastly more important national implications than this Virginia governors race and which "Biden and the Dems" won in a landslide.

So typical.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2621717]Huge result for Glenn Youngkin yesterday, winning the blue state of Virginia. Normal people are sick of Biden's handlers and their open borders, defunding of police and bailing out of violent criminals, military humiliations abroad, woke lunacy and anti-white hate, and failing economy.

Oh, and they're not too keen on trannies being allowed to rape young girls in school bathrooms while authorities and the media cover it up, and arrest, attack and brand as "domestic terrorists" parents who ask questions about it (or any other parts of the globohomo brainwashing operation that is public schools).

Note that the dems tried to rig the election like last year: there were, ahem, "delays" in the count from heavily democrat Fairfax County, and some ballots had to be, ahem, "rescanned". Fortunately the republican wave was so overwhelming that they were unable to steal it this time.

New Jersey also looks good for the GOP but closer, so I expect the democrat machine in shitholes like Newark will be able to rustle up enough pallets of mail-in ballots, 98% for the democrat, to get Murphy over the line (a guy who said that the Constitution was "above his pay grade".

When Biden saw the result, I bet he shit himself. Again.[/QUOTE]Great win for several republicans in Virginia. Also big wins for Republicans in Long Island. Democrats voted for republicans in both these states which tells you the socialists are failing. The socialists still voted from the democrat but the democrats are getting smarter. Try understand Biden failures. Nice to see other democrats besides me changing voting parties. But the media is having a meltdown. Claiming racism and Trumpism is going to destroy Virginia. They even claim new republican LT governor Sears is racist. Now black republican women are racists.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2621669]There's simple and there's woke simple.

Simple is following basic human biology and science.

Woke-simple is (first) yelling "trans women are women and the world is going to end in 10 years unless you all eat bugs and live in a pod" at the top of your lungs.

(second) bad-mouthing any and all reality-based media by calling them "Fascists" and "Fux News", and attempting to have anyone who advocates such reality-based ideas fired and imprisoned.

(third) believing every leftwingcommie cokamamie idea made up by the democommie media such as "RussiaRussiaRussia" which was investigated for 2 years and no evidence found.

(fourth) believing that opinions are actually facts (like "Admiral" Levine is the "first female four-star admiral".

(fifth) believing that Chris "Fredo" Cuomo, that Maddow guy, and the crazy race lady ironically named "Joy" report real news and not cockamamie BS.

Woke-simple is much easier, as long as nobody misgenders anyone.[/QUOTE]Great accurate post. The socialists will hate it though as they hate the truth I wonder which socialists will be the first.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2621778]Proving once again how easily typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media manipulates you.[/QUOTE]Another wacky, off the wall post from the loopy leftist who believes that Jimmy Carter was a successful president, and that the "mainstream media" (better known as the "fake news") who pushed the fake Russia collusion narrative for years, and hid the Biden laptop corruption scandal in the run up to the election, are pro-Republican.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2621778]"Huge result for Glenn Youngkin"?[/QUOTE]He was able to win back a lot of suburban voters by distancing himself from Trump. He didn't denounce him either thus keeping the base intact.

Pandemic is dragging on so anyone in the WH was bound to have a tough time, supply chain issues, not enough in the workforce, etc. And it will drag on the more, as the vaccines, though useful to a degree aren't magic bullets. There's effective treatments, but only if started early. Too many sit home playing John Wayne until it's too late.

Murphy wins in Jersey.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2621823]Great accurate post. The socialists will hate it though as they hate the truth I wonder which socialists will be the first.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/26/the-left-is-everything-they-hate/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2621901]He was able to win back a lot of suburban voters by distancing himself from Trump. He didn't denounce him either thus keeping the base intact.

Pandemic is dragging on so anyone in the WH was bound to have a tough time, supply chain issues, not enough in the workforce, etc. And it will drag on the more, as the vaccines, though useful to a degree aren't magic bullets. There's effective treatments, but only if started early. Too many sit home playing John Wayne until it's too late.

Murphy wins in Jersey.[/QUOTE]Exactly. There never was any CRT or organized Dem push to defund the police in Virginia or anywhere else.

The outcome in Virginia perfectly fits the way a Virginia gubernatorial election outcome has been since the beginning of the country and the way all but 1-2 post-presidential elections (including midterms) have gone since the end of WWII. Now, the Dem Murphy win did break a usual trend.

Youngkin's particular advantage was the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media was able to promote lies about the Dems and convince suckers to get riled up to vote against boogie-men that don't exist in a more traditional manner without much interference from Trump, who Youngkin avoided like the plague (but with a wink, as you pointed out)

That is why I disapproved of Trump being banned from Twitter and Facebook. Dems have a much better chance and track record of overcoming the typical pro-Repub campaining and electioneering by Mainstream Media when Trump has a huge platform on which to to tweet tweet tweet his idiotic assertions, addle-brained proposals and America-hating lies far and wide forcing Repubs and Repub candidates everywhere to respond, comment, agree or disagree on a daily if not hourly basis.

I liken the muzzling and banning of Trump on those platforms to still another example of widespread media sources helping Repubs win elections.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2621823]Great accurate post. The socialists will hate it though as they hate the truth I wonder which socialists will be the first.[/QUOTE]That Bidens poll numbers (ROTFLMMFAO) are definitive proof, that fool didn't win in Nov 2020 the oligarchs rigged it for him and handed it to him on a silver platter.

He didn't even campaign, just hid in his basement until election day.

All I have to say is, much more CRT please! LMAO.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2621918]That is why I disapproved of Trump being banned from Twitter and Facebook. Dems have a much better chance and track record of overcoming the typical pro-Repub campaining and electioneering by Mainstream Media when Trump has a huge platform on which to to tweet tweet tweet his idiotic assertions, addle-brained proposals and America-hating lies far and wide forcing Repubs and Repub candidates everywhere to respond, comment, agree or disagree on a daily if not hourly basis.

I liken the muzzling and banning of Trump on those platforms to still another example of widespread media sources helping Repubs win elections.[/QUOTE]I could say you are clueless but that would surprise no one here. There is nothing that special about Facebook and Twitter and you have to be a pro-socialist douche to take off someone who is providing you with free, popular, and traffic driving posts but hey no one ever thought these tech companies really understood business first and politics second.

So Twitter banned Trump and he started up his own media company. I am sure the numbers have changed some, but 50% of an $8. 2 billon valuation is worth more than $4.1 billion. See the link: [URL]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2021/10/23/trump-billions-meme-stock-spac/119075800/[/URL].

So you Democratic douches embraced censorship and the end result was that you put $4+ billion in Trump's pocket, and you think he is less likely to win now in 2024? He he. You cannot make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2620655]Not misinformation. If democrat is losing on Election Day they will find a way to get more ballots postmarked. Just like they did in several states during the general election.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2621802]Great win for several republicans in Virginia. Also big wins for Republicans in Long Island. [/QUOTE]I'm speechless. Speechless, I tell you!

I had it on good authority that democrats never lose the election.

What happened? How come the democrats didn't get more ballots postmarked?

I mean have they lost their marbles? What could be easier, just have extra ballots postmarked and win the count! Easy-peasy, right?

That fucking postmark guy! Where is he when you need him?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2621838]Another wacky, off the wall post from the loopy leftist who believes that Jimmy Carter was a successful president, and that the "mainstream media" (better known as the "fake news") who pushed the fake Russia collusion narrative for years, and hid the Biden laptop corruption scandal in the run up to the election, are pro-Republican.[/QUOTE]People are tired of all safety theater covid nonsense that the democrats have been forcing upon them. Few people have benefitted from the mandates, forced closures of businesses and their livelihood being outlawed in the name of woke culture.

So many small businesses have been forced to shut down permanently, many have lost their jobs, many landlords have had to go over a year without collecting rent payments from their tenants who either took advantage of the moratorium, or lost their job due to the grave misfortune of living in a blue state.

Weren't we supposed to be passed all the covid nonsense by now anyway? Doesn't the vaxx work? LOL.

Thank God we live in a democracy!

Let's go Brandon!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2621948]I'm speechless. Speechless, I tell you!

I had it on good authority that democrats never lose the election.

What happened? How come the democrats didn't get more ballots postmarked?

I mean have they lost their marbles? What could be easier, just have extra ballots postmarked and win the count! Easy-peasy, right?

That fucking postmark guy! Where is he when you need him?[/QUOTE]You can't rig every single election, or it becomes so laughable you ruin the con.

And we don't even know what they did and didn't do this time, maybe they tried? Is Terry pissed they wouldn't save him like Joe?

Perhaps the margin was so large they closed the gap as much as they could but didn't have enough ballots to close it enough for the win?

LMAO.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2621948]I'm speechless. Speechless, I tell you!

I had it on good authority that democrats never lose the election.

What happened? How come the democrats didn't get more ballots postmarked?

I mean have they lost their marbles? What could be easier, just have extra ballots postmarked and win the count! Easy-peasy, right?

That fucking postmark guy! Where is he when you need him?[/QUOTE]In Virginia, Democrats and Republicans move in and out in waves every four (or eight) years, directly as the party controlling the White House changes hands.

There's apparently more old & dead republicans still voting there, outnumbering the stiff democrats still casting their votes with the machine.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2621679]Sorry not sorry about Virginia, but you know it is all about the long term. One loss should not matter. Your goal should be doing what is right no matter what the political cost.

So on that end, let me give you all some advice. Declare some workers as unessential, vaccinate as many 5 years old as you can, defund the police, ban parents from schools, embrace critical race teachings, redefine vaccines again, ban the unvaccinated from all aspects of society, and by all means, let's get back to the economy stimulating lockdowns that were so beneficial to our country.

Don't listen to the doubters. Be assured in your convictions.

And when the doubters say, "Joe Biden has lower approval ratings at this stage of his presidency than nearly any president in the era of modern polling. " by all means tune them out..[/QUOTE]Most everyone I knew stopped calling people "douches" (and "douche bags") by the sixth grade because by then we knew where douches went and we were longing for the same. I guess some people are still longing.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2621948]I'm speechless. Speechless, I tell you!

I had it on good authority that democrats never lose the election.

What happened? How come the democrats didn't get more ballots postmarked?

I mean have they lost their marbles? What could be easier, just have extra ballots postmarked and win the count! Easy-peasy, right?

That fucking postmark guy! Where is he when you need him?[/QUOTE]It is very difficult to cheat after you have been caught cheating previously. When cheaters are watched more closely they tend to be more honest.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2621918]Exactly. There never was any CRT or organized Dem push to defund the police in Virginia or anywhere else.

The outcome in Virginia perfectly fits the way a Virginia gubernatorial election outcome has been since the beginning of the country and the way all but 1-2 post-presidential elections (including midterms) have gone since the end of WWII. Now, the Dem Murphy win did break a usual trend.

Youngkin's particular advantage was the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media was able to promote lies about the Dems and convince suckers to get riled up to vote against boogie-men that don't exist in a more traditional manner without much interference from Trump, who Youngkin avoided like the plague (but with a wink, as you pointed out)

That is why I disapproved of Trump being banned from Twitter and Facebook. Dems have a much better chance and track record of overcoming the typical pro-Repub campaining and electioneering by Mainstream Media when Trump has a huge platform on which to to tweet tweet tweet his idiotic assertions, addle-brained proposals and America-hating lies far and wide forcing Repubs and Repub candidates everywhere to respond, comment, agree or disagree on a daily if not hourly basis.[/QUOTE]There never was a defund the police anywhere else? Minnesota never had it on the ballot to totally eliminate their police force? Seattle democrats never ran on defunding the police? Is every news source lying on this matter?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2622122]Most everyone I knew stopped calling people "douches" (and "douche bags") by the sixth grade because by then we knew where douches went and we were longing for the same. I guess some people are still longing.[/QUOTE]Elvis famously used a glass nasal douche to clear his sinuses before live performances.

Want to buy a douche from Elvis' collection on EBAY?

[URL]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131157511881[/URL]

Note there's a discount on the price if you buy 4 or more.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2622122]Most everyone I knew stopped calling people "douches" (and "douche bags") by the sixth grade because by then we knew where douches went and we were longing for the same. I guess some people are still longing.[/QUOTE]Actually, I think sixth graders is being generous with you guys. What do you call it when you censor an opponent and in so doing hand him a few billion dollars? I would put that as the action of a 4 year old running around with his hands over his ears.

Yeah, I would take on the name calling too instead of dealing with that action too.

And look at it this way douche. The douche method is to redefine words and actions. "Maybe handing Trump $4 billion looks stupid now but just you wait" or "That depends on what your definition of is is."

Seeing how you have no opinion on handing Trump a few billion or what the definition of is is, douche, look at it this way. Think of douche as a friendly necessary term and item. You are protecting women doing what so few are willing to do. Take it as a compliment.

As I have said countless times before, a Democratic douche is not someone who votes Democrat. It is someone who sucks so much government and party dick, they never criticize their own. "Jimmy Carter was a great president" is a douche line and handing Trump $4 billion by cheering on censorship is a douche action. Once you guys actually admit your side is not perfect, I will stop. In other words, I will stop calling you douches when you quit acting like them.

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2621952]People are tired of all safety theater covid nonsense that the democrats have been forcing upon them. Few people have benefitted from the mandates, forced closures of businesses and their livelihood being outlawed in the name of woke culture.

So many small businesses have been forced to shut down permanently, many have lost their jobs, many landlords have had to go over a year without collecting rent payments from their tenants who either took advantage of the moratorium, or lost their job due to the grave misfortune of living in a blue state.

Weren't we supposed to be passed all the covid nonsense by now anyway? Doesn't the vaxx work? LOL.

Thank God we live in a democracy!

Let's go Brandon![/QUOTE]MAGAts must be the slowest people on earth.

The Mango Mussolini was in charge and took credit for Operation Dork Speed. He took credit for all of it and his MAGAt cult supported that. Now that Biden is President, the MAGAts complain that the vaccines don't work.

Who was in charge when the vaccines were developed?

Why was Operation Dork Speed such an abject failure and a colossal waste of money by developing vaccines that don't work?

Would you object to mandates if the Mango Mussolini was still the head thief?

Bet you don't want to answer any of these questions.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2622130]There never was a defund the police anywhere else? Minnesota never had it on the ballot to totally eliminate their police force? Seattle democrats never ran on defunding the police? Is every news source lying on this matter?[/QUOTE]Denial will not make it go away. Defund the police is rapid along every democrat state. You denying it doesn't change anything. Most democratic states have already defunded their police and cut staffing by over 30%. Not a shocker that crime and murders have gone up in these states 30% to 100%. Tell your lies to the victims families and see how they react.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2621958]And we don't even know what they did and didn't do this time, maybe they tried? Is Terry pissed they wouldn't save him like Joe?

Perhaps the margin was so large they closed the gap as much as they could but didn't have enough ballots to close it enough for the win?

LMAO.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what happened. Fairfax, the biggest and heavily democrat county, did not release its results at the scheduled time due to, ahem, "delays" and the need to, ahem, "rescan" some "faulty" ballots. Sounds familiar.

Fortunately the overwhelming majority for Youngkin made it too difficult for them to steal. Unfortunately, the democrat machine in Jersey, one of the most corrupt places in the country, were able to rig the result there and get the hapless apparatchik Murphy. Who said that the Constitution was "above his pay grade" - back into office.

People need to realize that as great as the Youngkin win was, the democrats / media / Washington deep state remain in control of the country and (via fake and corrupt mail-in voting, no ID verification, and refusal of DoJ to properly investigate and enforce laws) can still rig any election they want.

They are walking the tightrope of attempting to make sure the dems stay in charge while making the cheating subtle enough that normal patriotic Americans believe that they still have a fair shot at getting our country back via the voting booth (protip: we don't). If they had engineered a fraud at the scale it would have taken to defeat Youngkin (as they did last year to install Biden), millions more patriotic Americans would have seen through the system. So they threw us a bone.

It's likely that, given the mood of the nation and the utterly inept, corrupt, worthless, humiliating shambles of Biden-Harris and their handlers, they will be forced to allow the GOP to retake the House and possibly the Senate next year. But believe you me, there is no way the deep state Washington globalists / media / Wall St / democrat machine will allow Trump to win in 2024.

They are making preparations already: all of the millions of illegals that Biden's handlers have been inviting across the open border and then flying to swing states will be voting, probably multiple times each, all of which will be harvested by democrat operatives. The democrat city counting centers will be primed once again to board up the windows, throw out the GOP observers, then at 4 am discover exactly the number of votes, 98% for Harris, that she needs to win.

The fraud will be too obvious. Harris is absolutely detestable, hated even within her own party: she makes Hillary Clinton look like Mary Tyler Moore. The country will be in an even worse state in 2024 than it is now, with 3 more years of wacko climate communism, vaccine mandates, crushing of small business, trillions in welfare debt, and overseas military decline. The idea of Harris defeating Trump will be so ludicrous than when she "wins", 80 million Republicans. Including the core of the military. Will think "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

That's when things will get interesting.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2622280]Denial will not make it go away. Defund the police is rapid along every democrat state. You denying it doesn't change anything. Most democratic states have already defunded their police and cut staffing by over 30%. Not a shocker that crime and murders have gone up in these states 30% to 100%. Tell your lies to the victims families and see how they react.[/QUOTE]They think they can deny reality and get away with it because the mainstream fake news never calls them on it. Like when the Loudon County school superintendent claimed that he knew nothing about the tranny who are a p e the two girls in school bathrooms (the second at a different school after he was moved to try and cover up the first). This goes against the leftist globohomo pro-tranny agenda, so the democrat authorities and fake media tried to cover it up.

Or when they claimed that Virginia schools were not teaching critical race theory (aka anti-white hate) when they admitted they were doing so on their own website. LOL.

Or of course that the non-violent trespass of some unarmed patriots into the Capitol when the police held the doors open for them and stood aside was the same as 3000 dead on 9/11.

Fortunately we still have decent real investigative news sources such as Tucker Carlson, Newsmax, Revolver. News, Breitbart and others, so it was brought to light. That is why the left are attempting to censor and deplatform them all: trying to get Tucker fired, trying to force cable providers to pull Newsmax, trying to get Fakebook and ISP providers to pull opposition news sites.

They rarely attempt to debate because they know their agenda is unpopular and they are full of shit. Instead they try to censor real news and create an echo chamber of one-sided fake news which is so ubiquitous it gaslights people into believing it. Push back wherever you can.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2622130]There never was a defund the police anywhere else? Minnesota never had it on the ballot to totally eliminate their police force? Seattle democrats never ran on defunding the police? Is every news source lying on this matter?[/QUOTE]Have you got a link for exactly what was on that Minnesota ballot? How about the campaign statements for those Seattle candidates?

And the fact that some candidates somewhere propose something does not mean there is an organized push for it by anyone in party leadership.

There has been only one organized whole Party effort to defund the police and that was the unanimous vote by House Republicans to do it.

[b]Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.[/b]
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2622130]There never was a defund the police anywhere else? Minnesota never had it on the ballot to totally eliminate their police force? Seattle democrats never ran on defunding the police? Is every news source lying on this matter?[/QUOTE]Yes just the fake news are lying about this. Real news is reporting how much every democratic city is defunding their police force. 30-40 average defunding for democratic cities. Some have even shut down their police academies. But since you don't watch or read real news you will never know.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2622368]Have you got a link for exactly what was on that Minnesota ballot? How about the campaign statements for those Seattle candidates?

And the fact that some candidates somewhere propose something does not mean there is an organized push for it by anyone in party leadership.

There has been only one organized whole Party effort to defund the police and that was the unanimous vote by House Republicans to do it.

[b]Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.[/b]
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks[/QUOTE]Here it is even in a liberal news site.

It is on every news nation wide But keep denying it just like CRT sndBiden painful millions to illegals.

[URL]https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Defund-the-police-candidates-stumble-in-liberal-16590451.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2621926]That Bidens poll numbers (ROTFLMMFAO) are definitive proof, that fool didn't win in Nov 2020 the oligarchs rigged it for him and handed it to him on a silver platter.

He didn't even campaign, just hid in his basement until election day.

All I have to say is, much more CRT please! LMAO.[/QUOTE]The consensus of Job Approval poll ratings for Biden has, at worst, hovered at or very near 50% Disapprove, which is lower than Trump's full term average of 53.4% Disapprove. That is a key indicator that, although the Approval rating can plunge due to general dissatisfaction and frustration over how bad Trump's Pandemic did and continues to damage the USA Economy, the majority of Americans are not necessarily blaming Biden for it.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html[/URL]

By contrast, the Job Disapproval poll ratings for Trump were hitting on all cylinders at anywhere from 54% to 57% or 59% at or around the November 2020 election. It was higher than that in several polls, into the 60s, before and after election day. Which were much higher than any Disapproval rating Biden has gotten in the dozens of polls calculated on RealClearPolitics. It's difficult to know what the "consensus" was on election day for Trump's Job Disapproval but the consensus for it when he left office was 56.1% Disapprove. Again, that is a higher poll consensus of Job Disapproval than we have ever seen for Biden.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html[/URL]

Btw, Biden appears to be the only President of either party since 1980 that did NOT preside over his party losing both gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey. And McAuliffe might have gotten closer than anyone in history to accomplishing what he tried to accomplish in Virginia this time.

That was just 2-3 days ago, wasn't it?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2622256]The Mango Mussolini was in charge and took credit for Operation Dork Speed. He took credit for all of it and his MAGAt cult supported that. Now that Biden is President, the MAGAts complain that the vaccines don't work.

Who was in charge when the vaccines were developed?

Why was Operation Dork Speed such an abject failure and a colossal waste of money by developing vaccines that don't work?

Would you object to mandates if the Mango Mussolini was still the head thief?

Bet you don't want to answer any of these questions.[/QUOTE]This is like the 10th time you have tried to blamed the lack of the vaccine's effectiveness on Trump and you have had crickets every time.

Your fellow douches still think the vaccines are gold, should be given to 5 year olds, and prevent transmission of the disease. So they are not evolved as you as thinking the vaccine is as shitty as it is. Kudos to you on that.

As for those of us who are even more rational, I am not sure why blaming Trump for something that few were predicting was his fault. He was smart enough to see the vaccine was the best option and pursued the crap out of it and made it happen. That is what I want a pol to do, and he is out of office now. What is the point of blaming anything on him when no one really knew what to expect? That is just a douche move. Bad or worse than expected outcome = Republican. Good one = Democrat. You douches keep repeating that same stupid shit day in and day out. And you want one of us to agree with you? LOL.

I am a little more concerned with having a worker shortage and Biden advocating firing people who did not get vaccinated, 5 year old getting vaccinated (for what? And restaurants going out of business because the unvaccinated cannot dine there. Those are real things happening right now.

Whether Trump deserves blame or credit for a shitty vaccine does not seem to be worth my time and that you spend so much time on it means you need to get a life.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2622241]Actually, I think sixth graders is being generous with you guys. What do you call it when you censor an opponent and in so doing hand him a few billion dollars? I would put that as the action of a 4 year old running around with his hands over his ears.

Yeah, I would take on the name calling too instead of dealing with that action too.

And look at it this way douche. The douche method is to redefine words and actions. "Maybe handing Trump $4 billion looks stupid now but just you wait" or "That depends on what your definition of is is."

Seeing how you have no opinion on handing Trump a few billion or what the definition of is is, douche, look at it this way. Think of douche as a friendly necessary term and item. You are protecting women doing what so few are willing to do. Take it as a compliment.

As I have said countless times before, a Democratic douche is not someone who votes Democrat. It is someone who sucks so much government and party dick, they never criticize their own. "Jimmy Carter was a great president" is a douche line and handing Trump $4 billion by cheering on censorship is a douche action. Once you guys actually admit your side is not perfect, I will stop. In other words, I will stop calling you douches when you quit acting like them.[/QUOTE]This constant use of the term "douche" is getting boring. Is that the only pejorative you know or the only pejorative that you can use on this board. I wonder why the moderator hasn't canned your posts for derogatory language. He certainly would if somebody called you a m0#0.

[B]Job creation roars back in October as payrolls rise by 531,000[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/jobs-report-november-2021.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[quote]Nonfarm payrolls increased by 531,000 in October, beating the estimate of 450,000.

The unemployment rate fell to 4.6%, a new pandemic low and better than expectations.

Wages rose 0.4% for the month and were up 4.9% from a year ago.

Leisure and hospitality led job creation, followed by professional and business services and manufacturing.
...
Private payrolls were even stronger, rising 604,000 as a loss of 73,000 government jobs pulled down the headline number. October’s gains represented a sharp pickup from September, which gained 312,000 jobs after the initial Bureau of Labor Statistics estimate of 194,000 saw a substantial upward revision in Friday’s report.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2622428]This is like the 10th time you have tried to blamed the lack of the vaccine's effectiveness on Trump and you have had crickets every time.

Your fellow douches still think the vaccines are gold, should be given to 5 year olds, and prevent transmission of the disease. So they are not evolved as you as thinking the vaccine is as shitty as it is. Kudos to you on that.

As for those of us who are even more rational, I am not sure why blaming Trump for something that few were predicting was his fault. He was smart enough to see the vaccine was the best option and pursued the crap out of it and made it happen. That is what I want a pol to do, and he is out of office now. What is the point of blaming anything on him when no one really knew what to expect? That is just a douche move. Bad or worse than expected outcome = Republican. Good one = Democrat. You douches keep repeating that same stupid shit day in and day out. And you want one of us to agree with you? LOL..[/QUOTE]1. You and every other MAGAt that posts praised the former guy for vaccine development. "The Democrat douches could never have accomplished this. " the fascists said. "Vaccines take 5 to 10 years to come to market and Trump did it in a few months" the fascists said.

2. MAGAts praised Operation Dork Speed.

3. Now MAGAts are saying that the vaccines are worthless.

4. How many billions of [B]taxpayer[/B] dollars did Operation Dork Speed cost? 50? 100?

5. What did taxpayers get waste of Operation Dork Speed money? A bunch of worthless vaccines, according to you.

6. And our self-proclaimed genius negotiator didn't even include a "performance clause" in Operation Dork Speed.

See, you can't take both sides on an issue. Either Operation Dork Speed was successful or it wasn't. If it was successful, it would have produced successful vaccines. If it was unsuccessful, it would have produced worthless vaccines. You can't call it successful but that the vaccines are worthless. That's like saying that the operation was a success but the patient died.

As to firing people who don't get vaccinated, what do MAGAts always say? Oh yeah. "Actions have consequences."

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2622428]This is like the 10th time you have tried to blamed the lack of the vaccine's effectiveness on Trump and you have had crickets every time.

Your fellow douches still think the vaccines are gold, should be given to 5 year olds, and prevent transmission of the disease. So they are not evolved as you as thinking the vaccine is as shitty as it is. Kudos to you on that.

As for those of us who are even more rational, I am not sure why blaming Trump for something that few were predicting was his fault. He was smart enough to see the vaccine was the best option and pursued the crap out of it and made it happen. That is what I want a pol to do, and he is out of office now. What is the point of blaming anything on him when no one really knew what to expect? That is just a douche move. Bad or worse than expected outcome = Republican. Good one = Democrat. You douches keep repeating that same stupid shit day in and day out. And you want one of us to agree with you? LOL.

I am a little more concerned with having a worker shortage and Biden advocating firing people who did not get vaccinated, 5 year old getting vaccinated (for what? And restaurants going out of business because the unvaccinated cannot dine there. Those are real things happening right now.

Whether Trump deserves blame or credit for a shitty vaccine does not seem to be worth my time and that you spend so much time on it means you need to get a life.[/QUOTE]Regarding Trump and the vaccines:

[b]Trump Baselessly Claims Coronavirus Will ‘Go Away’ Without Vaccine[/b]
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trump-baselessly-claims-coronavirus-will-go-away-without-vaccine/[/URL]

[b]Donald Trump says coronavirus will 'go away without a vaccine' - video[/b]
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/may/09/donald-trump-coronavirus-will-go-away-without-a-vaccine-video[/URL]

[b]40 times Trump said the coronavirus would go away[/b]
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/40-times-trump-said-the-coronavirus-would-go-away/2020/04/30/d2593312-9593-4ec2-aff7-72c1438fca0e_video.html[/URL]

[b]It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish[/b]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/[/URL]

750,000+ Americans have been mass murdered by Donald J. Trump's corruption, incompetence, cowardice and lies about the Pandemic he played a major role in creating and the vaccines for it that he tried for almost a year right up to just weeks before the November 2020 election to convince the world nobody should bother inventing or risk taking.

Dozens of times.

But since then:

[b]U.S. COVID-19 vaccine rates up thanks to mandates; cases and deaths down -officials[/b]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/vaccine-requirements-raised-covid-19-vaccination-rates-by-20-percentage-points-2021-10-13/[/URL]

Thanks, Brandon and the Dems!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2622368]There has been only one organized whole Party effort to defund the police and that was the unanimous vote by House Republicans to do it.

[b]Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.[/b]
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks[/QUOTE]HAHA! The Republicans are blocking a ludicrous, wasteful, multi-trillion dollar bill which would plunge the knife into the dying remnants of the US economy and cause massive inflation, and which is mostly handouts for the democrat base (trannies, welfare ghettos, teachers unions, worthless communist university programs, etc).

But because a tiny fraction of it is for "law enforcement" (ie federal thoughtpolice under the direct control of Heels-Up Harris, tasked with dragging patriotic heritage Americans to the gulag for exercising our First and Second Amendment rights), the leftist / fake news line becomes: republicans are Defunding the police.

Genuinely amusing. Thanks for the chuckle.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2622672]HAHA! The Republicans are blocking a ludicrous, wasteful, multi-trillion dollar bill which would plunge the knife into the dying remnants of the US economy and cause massive inflation, and which is mostly handouts for the democrat base (trannies, welfare ghettos, teachers unions, worthless communist university programs, etc).

But because a tiny fraction of it is for "law enforcement" (ie federal thoughtpolice under the direct control of Heels-Up Harris, tasked with dragging patriotic heritage Americans to the gulag for exercising our First and Second Amendment rights), the leftist / fake news line becomes: republicans are Defunding the police.

Genuinely amusing. Thanks for the chuckle.[/QUOTE]Even FUX News Channel could not characterize that unanimous vote by House Republicans any other way than Defunding The Police.

Were you chuckling through that too?

As I recall, a member of the "law and order" Repub GQP was so-called potus in 2020, right? You know, the one whose disastrous economic decisions and blithering idiotic stewardship plunged us into still another Great Repub Crash, Recession and Massive USA Jobs Destruction because, as Mainstream Media never tires of reminding us, "Republicans are better at handling the economy than Democrats."

[B]FBI Data Shows An Unprecedented Spike In Murders Nationwide In 2020.[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/09/27/1040904770/fbi-data-murder-increase-2020[/URL]

But this year:

[B]Murder Rose by Almost 30% in 2020. Its Rising at a Slower Rate in 2021.
The increase in U.S. murders this summer does not appear to be as large as the record spike last summer.[/B]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/upshot/murder-rise-2020.html[/URL]

Thanks, Brandon!

And he did it despite the House Republicans voting unanimously to Defund The Police (and no Dems) and while producing a historic roaring USA Jobs creation economic expansion and recovery from the Great Trump/Repub Crash and Recession at the same time!

Here's a link to Biden's crypto token.

[URL]https://www.bidentoken.org/[/URL]

If you click on the link under the video of Biden counterfeiting money and throwing it into the crowd that says "Just play the thing", there is a good song to that video.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2622683]Even FUX News Channel could not characterize that unanimous vote by House Republicans any other way than Defunding The Police.

Were you chuckling through that too?[/QUOTE]You mean Chris Wallace? Yup, still chuckling away.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2622672]HAHA! The Republicans are blocking a ludicrous, wasteful, multi-trillion dollar bill which would plunge the knife into the dying remnants of the US economy and cause massive inflation, and which is mostly handouts for the democrat base (trannies, welfare ghettos, teachers unions, worthless communist university programs, etc).

But because a tiny fraction of it is for "law enforcement" (ie federal thoughtpolice under the direct control of Heels-Up Harris, tasked with dragging patriotic heritage Americans to the gulag for exercising our First and Second Amendment rights), the leftist / fake news line becomes: republicans are Defunding the police.

Genuinely amusing. Thanks for the chuckle.[/QUOTE]I agree totally and several democrats are starting to agree. It is amazing the socialists lies how they defund the police and then when crime goes up they blame the republicans. Virginia is proof that the democrats are starting to get it and democrats voted Republican candidates in Virginia. Amazing that socialists are still buying into the lies.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2622913]I agree totally and several democrats are starting to agree. It is amazing the socialists lies how they defund the police and then when crime goes up they blame the republicans. Virginia is proof that the democrats are starting to get it and democrats voted Republican candidates in Virginia. Amazing that socialists are still buying into the lies.[/QUOTE]Since the 2018 midterms the Dems flipped the House, won the House again, flipped the Senate, flipped the White House and won every important special and off general election year race except the only one no Party member has won in the history of America; a second term as governor of Virginia. But they came damn close to winning that one too, within, oh 40,000 votes or so and a shift of about 1.6 percentage points of the vote.

Yet, during all that time none of the Trumpster Repubs remotely "began to get it" about their own party results and candidates.

And now, just 9 months into the new Dem presidency, after already passing other historic positive pro-American economic legislation and more than a month before Trump and the Repubs had at this point passed a Repub partyline waste of +$2.5 Trillion economic "stimulus" bill, their only significant legislation over 4 horrible years, that produced FEWER jobs than before it and did not add 1 more percentage point to Real GDP growth in the following years, the Dem congressional leadership has passed a truly historic bi-partisan Infrastructure Bill that Trump and his larger Repub congressional seat leadership could not negotiate among themselves and accomplish for 4 solid years, despite conman Trump's repeated assurance that one was on the way any minute now, in two weeks, blah, blah, blah.

It will be a great day for America and all Americans when Dem President Brandon signs that bill for final passage.

I know the Dems are a complete failure, incompetent, in total disarray, can't get out of their own way, total losers, are the only ones to blame when America doesn't get everything it wants and needs and so on while the Repubs are smart, clever, perfectly disciplined, well accomplished winners, can't possibly be blamed for any of America's disappointments and, oh have I mentioned "better at handling the economy than Dems," because Brian Williams and most other Mainstream Media pundits repeatedly tell me so during every Great Repub Economic Crash and Recession and every remarkable Great Dem Economic Expansion and Recovery from those consistent Great Repub Crashes and Recessions.

But all those Dem election wins, some historic firsts, and almost zero losers over the past 3-4 years have been fun all the same.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2622913]I agree totally and several democrats are starting to agree. It is amazing the socialists lies how they defund the police and then when crime goes up they blame the republicans. Virginia is proof that the democrats are starting to get it and democrats voted Republican candidates in Virginia. Amazing that socialists are still buying into the lies.[/QUOTE]Isn't it endearing how you fellas always exchange attaboys with your alter egos? So cute, darn it!

President of the National Border Patrol Council*Brandon Judd asserted Sunday that the United States is now in the "biggest crisis we have ever seen" as it pertains to border security, arguing it's because the Biden administration reversed all of former President Trump's Immigration policies.

But Biden is to busy to go to the border and to busy to keep America safe.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2623364]President of the National Border Patrol Council*Brandon Judd asserted Sunday that the United States is now in the "biggest crisis we have ever seen" as it pertains to border security, arguing it's because the Biden administration reversed all of former President Trump's Immigration policies.

But Biden is to busy to go to the border and to busy to keep America safe.[/QUOTE]Let's hope we can get truck driving licenses into the pockets of those people crossing the border ASAP to replace the previous U.S. drivers whose jobs Trump wiped out and to make sure President Biden/Brendon's historic and unprecedented economic recovery from the Great Trump Repub Crash and Recession continues now that those previously unemployed (thanks to Trump's disastrous economic decisions and stewardship) U.S. truck drivers have found better and higher paying jobs in President Biden/Brandon's roaring Dem economy.

[URL]https://www.aol.com/news/gloomy-landscape-democrats-midterms-bidens-181253430.html[/URL]

How low can he go?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2622913]I agree totally and several democrats are starting to agree. It is amazing the socialists lies how they defund the police and then when crime goes up they blame the republicans. Virginia is proof that the democrats are starting to get it and democrats voted Republican candidates in Virginia. Amazing that socialists are still buying into the lies.[/QUOTE]Just another MAGAt that needs to learn how to use an encyclopedia and a dictionary to figure out the meaning of "socialist". Either that or get their tinfoil hat adjusted.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623418]Let's hope we can get truck driving licenses into the pockets of those people crossing the border ASAP to replace the previous U.S. drivers whose jobs Trump wiped out and to make sure President Biden/Brendon's historic and unprecedented economic recovery from the Great Trump Repub Crash and Recession continues now that those previously unemployed (thanks to Trump's disastrous economic decisions and stewardship) U.S. truck drivers have found better and higher paying jobs in President Biden/Brandon's roaring Dem economy.[/QUOTE]Only fools terrorists and an incompetent president make jokes about a crises at the border and the safety of USA citizens. Thank god that Biden has done nothing and the Trump economy is coming back. If Biden actually does anything like his catastrophe Build Back America the economy and Americans will suffer. Americans are already suffering enough with inflation and high energy prices. The worst will be this winter when the heating bills start coming. And to solve the energy shortage Biden is trying to close another pipeline. The dumb get dumber.

The former guy said he liked his voters dumb.

Evidently he likes his elected officials that way too. The GQP fascist in this article complained that his daughter's mail-in ballot arrived after election day. But he didn't know that his brain-dead daughter tried to register to vote in the wrong county. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/gop-gubernatorial-candidate-complained-mail-010001502.html[/URL].

The entire GQP are dumber than a box of rocks.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2623442]Only fools terrorists and an incompetent president make jokes about a crises at the border and the safety of USA citizens. Thank god that Biden has done nothing and the Trump economy is coming back. If Biden actually does anything like his catastrophe Build Back America the economy and Americans will suffer. Americans are already suffering enough with inflation and high energy prices. The worst will be this winter when the heating bills start coming. And to solve the energy shortage Biden is trying to close another pipeline. The dumb get dumber.[/QUOTE]The murder rate skyrocketed 30% under Trump while he tried to illegally Defund The Military in order to continue building his idiotic Wall.

Now the murder rate is declining under Biden.

If you really care about the safety of Americans you must vote "Democrat" up and down your ballot for every election from now on, never a Repub, no exceptions, and strongly advise your family, friends and acquaintances to do the same.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2623420][URL]https://www.aol.com/news/gloomy-landscape-democrats-midterms-bidens-181253430.html[/URL]

How low can he go?[/QUOTE]38% Job Approval in one poll so far?

LOL.

By this point in Trump's so-called presidency he had racked up dozens of major poll Job Approval ratings lower than that at 37%, 35% and even 34%. His major poll consensus average was 40.5% for all of 2017, well within a +/-MoE of Biden's lowest rating yet!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

And that was Trump's BEST policy results year of his four in office because he and his fellow do-nothing deadbeat Repubs didn't do or pass any significant legislation until the last business day of December and they had only coasted on the terrific economic handoff they inherited from Obama-Biden.

Oh, and all through those historically low poll numbers, Trumpsters like you were cheering him on as "The Greatest President Ever! Our Lord and Savior!"

So I guess Biden's much better Job Approval ratings makes him "The Greater Greatest President Ever!," right?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623614]The murder rate skyrocketed 30% under Trump while he tried to illegally Defund The Military in order to continue building his idiotic Wall.

Now the murder rate is declining under Biden.

If you really care about the safety of Americans you must vote "Democrat" up and down your ballot for every election from now on, never a Repub, no exceptions, and strongly advise your family, friends and acquaintances to do the same.[/QUOTE]Vote democrat all the way down? I made that mistake year after year and I won't make that mistake again. I am embarrassed to say I voted for Biden. I along with democrats in Virginia and New Jersey will not be making that mistake again. The murders and crime in San Diego has only increased 35% in San Diego after Biden and democrat policies destroyed California. Thankfully not as bad here as in San Francisco and other democrat cities that have seen their crime up 100%. There is not a democrat dumb enough to believe that defunding police and releasing murderers and criminals from our jails has anything to do with Trump or Republicans. Republicans have no say in our state or other democrat states.

I guess I don't understand why you condone the destruction of the USA. I guess I don't understand how you can ignore and deny the crises that Biden has created. Why do you hate the USA? Are you not a citizen? Communist? Are you one of the illegals or criminals released early? There has to be a reason. You definitely are not a democrat.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2623420][URL]https://www.aol.com/news/gloomy-landscape-democrats-midterms-bidens-181253430.html[/URL]

How low can he go?[/QUOTE]Lower. For sure. He is even lower than that poll suggest as there are democrats who just can't admit that he is the worst president in the USA ever. He makes Trump look better every day even to democrats. The socialists and communists keep applauding him and defending him. There is proof of this right on this forum. China, Russia and socialists want a weaker America.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623627]38% Job Approval in one poll so far?

LOL.

By this point in Trump's so-called presidency he had racked up dozens of major poll Job Approval ratings lower than that at 37%, 35% and even 34%. His major poll consensus average was 40.5% for all of 2017, well within a +/-MoE of Biden's lowest rating yet!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

And that was Trump's BEST policy results year of his four in office because he and his fellow do-nothing deadbeat Repubs didn't do or pass any significant legislation until the last business day of December and they had only coasted on the terrific economic handoff they inherited from Obama-Biden.

Oh, and all through those historically low poll numbers, Trumpsters like you were cheering him on as "The Greatest President Ever! Our Lord and Savior!"

So I guess Biden's much better Job Approval ratings makes him "The Greater Greatest President Ever!," right?[/QUOTE]I feel sorry for you! You just don't have a clue. Biden and the democrats love people like you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623627]38% Job Approval in one poll so far?

LOL.

By this point in Trump's so-called presidency he had racked up dozens of major poll Job Approval ratings lower than that at 37%, 35% and even 34%. His major poll consensus average was 40.5% for all of 2017, well within a +/-MoE of Biden's lowest rating yet!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

And that was Trump's BEST policy results year of his four in office because he and his fellow do-nothing deadbeat Repubs didn't do or pass any significant legislation until the last business day of December and they had only coasted on the terrific economic handoff they inherited from Obama-Biden.

Oh, and all through those historically low poll numbers, Trumpsters like you were cheering him on as "The Greatest President Ever! Our Lord and Savior!..[/QUOTE]This whole piece is hilarious.

[URL]https://www.sfgate.com/national-politics/article/Kamala-Harris-approval-rating-poll-history-Biden-16602512.php[/URL]

Allahu Akbar!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2623669]Vote democrat all the way down? I made that mistake year after year and I won't make that mistake again. I am embarrassed to say I voted for Biden. I along with democrats in Virginia and New Jersey will not be making that mistake again. The murders and crime in San Diego has only increased 35% in San Diego after Biden and democrat policies destroyed California. Thankfully not as bad here as in San Francisco and other democrat cities that have seen their crime up 100%. There is not a democrat dumb enough to believe that defunding police and releasing murderers and criminals from our jails has anything to do with Trump or Republicans. Republicans have no say in our state or other democrat states.

I guess I don't understand why you condone the destruction of the USA. I guess I don't understand how you can ignore and deny the crises that Biden has created. Why do you hate the USA? Are you not a citizen? Communist? Are you one of the illegals or criminals released early? There has to be a reason. You definitely are not a democrat.[/QUOTE]I condone what I condone and condemn what I condemn because the easily observable and verifiable facts, data, history and record of results are on my side and not on your side.

Why do you love Great Repub Crashes, Recessions and Massive USA Jobs Destruction so much?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2623742]This whole piece is hilarious.

[URL]https://www.sfgate.com/national-politics/article/Kamala-Harris-approval-rating-poll-history-Biden-16602512.php[/URL]

Allahu Akbar![/QUOTE]Oh look! Kamala Harris is pretty much on par with where Mike Pence was in the polls and more than once.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/kamala-harris-approval-rating-polls-vs-biden-other-vps/

Of course, the big difference being the people who DID approve of Pence enough to vote for him in 2016 eventually wanted to publically lynch him in front of his workplace.
Not figuratively.
Literally.

I don't know how comical and hilarious that was. But those of us who never would have voted for those two Repub clowns tried not to laugh about it.

I herewith predict there will be no storming of the Capitol Building by an angry mob of Biden-Harris voters to publicly lynch Kamala Harris.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623814]Oh look! Kamala Harris is pretty much on par with where Mike Pence was in the polls and more than once.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/kamala-harris-approval-rating-polls-vs-biden-other-vps/

Of course, the big difference being the people who DID approve of Pence enough to vote for him in 2016 eventually wanted to publically lynch him in front of his workplace.
Not figuratively.
Literally.

I don't know how comical and hilarious that was. But those of us who never would have voted for those two Repub clowns tried not to laugh about it.

I herewith predict there will be no storming of the Capitol Building by an angry mob of Biden-Harris voters to publicly lynch Kamala Harris.[/QUOTE]There should be but, they're too brain dead to care enough about anything to be bothered.

One must also point out the global media bashed Trump and Pence 24/7 to hurt his polling.

And they do the opposite with Biden and still look at the results, imagine if you will if they bashed Biden like they did Trump 24/7.

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/25/big-mothers-smothering-protection-of-little-joseph/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623814]Of course, the big difference being the people who DID approve of Pence enough to vote for him in 2016 eventually wanted to publically lynch him in front of his workplace.
Not figuratively.
Literally.

I don't know how comical and hilarious that was. But those of us who never would have voted for those two Repub clowns tried not to laugh about it.[/QUOTE]Speak for yourself.

I was laughing and laughing at the sore losers.

Their turning on Pence was just icing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623814]I herewith predict there will be no storming of the Capitol Building by an angry mob of Biden-Harris voters to publicly lynch Kamala Harris.[/QUOTE]No it will be the TrumpShitters.

Those will be pissed again at the reelection of the old man and the hottie.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/food-shortages-supply-chain-pandemic/2021/11/06/id/1043589/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623810]I condone what I condone and condemn what I condemn because the easily observable and verifiable facts, data, history and record of results are on my side and not on your side.

Why do you love Great Repub Crashes, Recessions and Massive USA Jobs Destruction so much?[/QUOTE]The facts are I was better off under the Trump administration. My friends were better off during the Trump administration. I did not go through any of the Republican crashes and can't even remember any. Trump created more jobs in California than Obama did in 8 years. That is what I experienced. I was better off when California democrats were democrats not socialists and woke. Can anyone sane explain how wholeness helps anyone? California democrats defunded the police statewide and we are paying for it. California democrats made shoplifting under $1000 not a crime and police are not even called for theft under $1000. Stores are getting looted daily and closing. Walgreens stores are closing in some cities. This hurts me, hurts my friends but hurt the poor and the black community the hardest. I guess I don't understand how you can condone this failure from democrats and don't condemn it.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2623853]The facts are I was better off under the Trump administration. My friends were better off during the Trump administration. I did not go through any of the Republican crashes and can't even remember any. Trump created more jobs in California than Obama did in 8 years. That is what I experienced. I was better off when California democrats were democrats not socialists and woke. Can anyone sane explain how wholeness helps anyone? California democrats defunded the police statewide and we are paying for it. California democrats made shoplifting under $1000 not a crime and police are not even called for theft under $1000. Stores are getting looted daily and closing. Walgreens stores are closing in some cities. This hurts me, hurts my friends but hurt the poor and the black community the hardest. I guess I don't understand how you can condone this failure from democrats and don't condemn it.[/QUOTE]And, as usual, you did not (could not) provide one link to verify or substantiate that pile of bullshit.

Here ya' go:

[b]COVID Gets Even Redder[/b]
[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/covid-gets-even-redder-191319465.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]In October, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from COVID, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties (7.8 per 100,000). October was the fifth consecutive month that the percentage gap between the death rates in Trump counties and Biden counties widened.[/QUOTE]It turns out the greatest threat to the lives of most Americans and probably most people you know has not been people with the last name of Gomez, Rodriguez, Newsom or Biden. It was people with the last name of Trump, DeSantis, Abbott and McCarthy.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2623827]There should be but, they're too brain dead to care enough about anything to be bothered.

One must also point out the global media bashed Trump and Pence 24/7 to hurt his polling.

And they do the opposite with Biden and still look at the results, imagine if you will if they bashed Biden like they did Trump 24/7.

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/25/big-mothers-smothering-protection-of-little-joseph/[/URL][/QUOTE]USA Mainstream Media repeatedly pleaded with Trump to get off his loony conspiracies kick all through the 2020 presidential campaign and instead "tout his great economy!"

How convenient for him. Trump could win your and other loony conspiracy theorists' votes and let USA Mainstream Media provide Billion$ in free campaign ads on THE MOST IMPORTANT issue of virtually every general election; The Economy.

The punchline for that particular comical and hilarious interlude? Of all the disastrous Repub economic decisions and results of at least the past century, Trump's were THE WORST of them! LOL. Even "the best" economic times under Trump before his decisions and stewardship Crashed damn near everything on the Planet, his economic results were crap when the actual costs to achieve such middling results were factored in.

No entity works harder to suppress Dem votes and help Repubs win elections, including Trump, than the USA Mainstream Media. And it has been that way for decades.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623993]And, as usual, you did not provide one link to verify or substantiate that pile of bullshit.

Here ya' go:

[b]COVID Gets Even Redder[/b]
[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/covid-gets-even-redder-191319465.html[/URL]

It turns out the greatest threat to the lives of most Americans and probably most people you know is not people with the last name of Gomez, Rodriguez, Newsom or Biden. It's people with the last name of Trump, DeSantis, Abbott and McCarthy.[/QUOTE]There are millions of links to look at even on the liberal news that tell you my life and millions of people in California were better off with Trump. Just google gas prices in California up $1.50 per gallon. Meat prices up 38%. House tax increases. Electric bill increase. Crime up in communities 33% or higher. Homeless getting uncontrollably. You don't need to look at fake news links see it just common sense. The democrats and Biden have turned California into a shithole in many cities. I am not going to ignore it and I want to be part of the solution not voting for the people who got us there.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2623853]The facts are I was better off under the Trump administration. My friends were better off during the Trump administration. I did not go through any of the Republican crashes and can't even remember any. Trump created more jobs in California than Obama did in 8 years. That is what I experienced. I was better off when California democrats were democrats not socialists and woke. Can anyone sane explain how wholeness helps anyone? California democrats defunded the police statewide and we are paying for it. California democrats made shoplifting under $1000 not a crime and police are not even called for theft under $1000. Stores are getting looted daily and closing. Walgreens stores are closing in some cities. This hurts me, hurts my friends but hurt the poor and the black community the hardest. I guess I don't understand how you can condone this failure from democrats and don't condemn it.[/QUOTE]"The facts are I was better off under the Trump administration. My friends were better off during the Trump administration." Let's base everything on a universe of one.

"I did not go through any of the Republican crashes and can't even remember any." How old are you anyway? W's recession began in late 2007. So if you don't remember that one, it means that you were born in 2009 or later, which makes you 12 at most. But W's daddy had a recession in the early 90's so not remembering that one makes you in your late 20's or thereabouts. Maybe you get where this is going. But maybe not. In any case, willful ignorance is not a good look.

The simple facts are that there have been many Republican-run recessions since Reagan. The fact that you claim not to remember any of them speaks more to a refusal to remove your head from the sand than anything else. [URL]https://medium.com/@davidkellyuph/every-republican-president-over-the-last-100-years-has-had-a-recession-baa20aa7b107[/URL].

As to your shoplifting claim, did you [B]intentionally forget[/B] that that the "under $1000" (actually $950) law (Prop. 49) was passed in 2014. Or that Prop 49 simply reclassified low-level crimes from felonies to misdemeanors. Or did you think that nobody would fact check you? Or did you just believe whatever BS your rightwingnut source made up? [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL] And you wonder why nobody believes you! Maybe if you backed up your BS with sources you'd have more credibility. But I understand where you're coming from 'cause when there aren't any facts, you just make stuff up. Then you get upset when somebody calls BS.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2624010]There are millions of links to look at even on the liberal news that tell you my life and millions of people in California were better off with Trump. Just google gas prices in California up $1.50 per gallon. Meat prices up 38%. House tax increases. Electric bill increase. Crime up in communities 33% or higher. Homeless getting uncontrollably. You don't need to look at fake news links see it just common sense. The democrats and Biden have turned California into a shithole in many cities. I am not going to ignore it and I want to be part of the solution not voting for the people who got us there.[/QUOTE]"There are millions of links" yet you provided [B]none[/B].

On a tangential note, please provide a link that shows that a President controls gasoline prices or meat prices or local property tax increases or anything else you mentioned. The simple facts are that many factors cause prices to rise. Here are some for meat. [URL]https://fortune.com/2021/10/14/meat-prices-inflation-meatpacking-supply-chain-issues-shortages-covid/[/URL].

But let's blame Democrats because it is easier. Life is hard. It is harder if you're a Republican.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2624010]There are millions of links to look at even on the liberal news that tell you my life and millions of people in California were better off with Trump. Just google gas prices in California up $1.50 per gallon. Meat prices up 38%. House tax increases. Electric bill increase. Crime up in communities 33% or higher. Homeless getting uncontrollably. You don't need to look at fake news links see it just common sense. The democrats and Biden have turned California into a shithole in many cities. I am not going to ignore it and I want to be part of the solution not voting for the people who got us there.[/QUOTE]But Joe and Kamala's rain dancing last month ended the recent California drought in October.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2623993][b]COVID Gets Even Redder[/b]
[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/covid-gets-even-redder-191319465.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]"In October, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from COVID, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties (7. 8 per 100,000). October was the fifth consecutive month that the percentage gap between the death rates in Trump counties and Biden counties widened."

Who says the news is always negative? This is great news as our political future seems brighter and brighter.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2624010]There are millions of links to look at even on the liberal news that tell you my life and millions of people in California were better off with Trump. Just google gas prices in California up $1.50 per gallon. Meat prices up 38%. House tax increases. Electric bill increase. Crime up in communities 33% or higher. Homeless getting uncontrollably. You don't need to look at fake news links see it just common sense. The democrats and Biden have turned California into a shithole in many cities. I am not going to ignore it and I want to be part of the solution not voting for the people who got us there.[/QUOTE]There are no links showing Trump producing, negotiating, maneuvering, buying (with Trillion$ of our tax dollars), inspiring or wishing into existence a single net plus USA job more by January 20, 2021 than existed on January 19, 2017. Instead, there were at least 3 Million fewer USA jobs by then.

[b]Trump Leaving Office With 3M Less Jobs Than When He Entered, Worst Record Since Depression[/b]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/trump-leaving-office-3m-less-jobs-when-he-entered-worst-record-since-depression-1562737[/URL]

And, no, California was not some miraculous exception in being spared Trump's horrific economic stewardship results to come out of the Trump/GQP nightmare having gained more jobs during his 4 years than during Obama-Biden's 8 years.

[b]All Employees: Total Nonfarm in California (CANA)[/b]
[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CANA[/URL]

Not even if you unfairly factor in and irrationally blame Obama-Biden for the millions of USA jobs Bush2's horrific economic stewardship was continuing to destroy in the first few months of the Obama-Biden administration before the positive effects of their first great economic recovery legislation passed entirely by Dems hit the street.

Which, by the way, USA Mainstream Media loves to do because it aids them in making the Dems' typically historically positive results look worse and the Repubs' typically historically disastrous results look better.

The same as when they unfairly credit the incoming Repub administrations taking over from Dems with the typically positive economic and USA jobs creating trajectory taking place and continuing for the next several months until the Repub administration passes its first disastrous economic legislation.

How much "easier" do you suppose it was for the Millions of Americans (including Californians) whose jobs were wiped out under Bush2 and Trump to buy meat and gas at any price than it was under Obama-Biden and is now under Biden-Harris? Lol. The answer is not at all.

There is zero evidence Repubs even know much less remotely understand how and why Trump's Great Repub Crash and Recession due to his incomparable contribution to producing Trump's Pandemic caused the current Supply-Chain paralysis and consequent inflation issues.

So just imagine the decades long clusterfuck Trump and his fellow lamebrain deadbeat QAnon Repubs would make of supposedly trying to "fix" the historic problem they created. Lol. They wouldn't have the slightest clue how to even put together legislation that addresses it.

Oh, they'd deficit spend Billion$ and Trillion$ for sure. But every precedent virtually guarantees that money would do something between absolutely nothing and produce far worse results.

By stark contrast, Biden and the Dems know what the fuck they're doing, how to do it and, most importantly, they will do it as well as it is humanly possible to do it:

[b]Biden rolls out multibillion-dollar plan to fix ports and supply chain issues.[/b]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/09/supply-chain-fix-biden-administration-to-spend-more-than-4-billion-on-aging-us-ports.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[quote]The Biden administration outlined several initiatives on Tuesday aimed at addressing immediate supply-chain challenges and other disruptions affecting global commerce, a move that follows the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill.

The $1 trillion infrastructure bill, the single largest federal investment in American history, includes $17 billion for infrastructure improvements at coastal and inland ports, waterways and ports of entry along the U.S. border.[/quote]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2624040]"There are millions of links" yet you provided [B]none[/B].

On a tangential note, please provide a link that shows that a President controls gasoline prices or meat prices or local property tax increases or anything else you mentioned. The simple facts are that many factors cause prices to rise. Here are some for meat. [URL]https://fortune.com/2021/10/14/meat-prices-inflation-meatpacking-supply-chain-issues-shortages-covid/[/URL].

But let's blame Democrats because it is easier. Life is hard. It is harder if you're a Republican.[/QUOTE]Do you know how to search on a computer. Type in shoplifting and crime in San Francisco and look at the thousands of links. Type in gas prices in California for 2020 and 2021 and look at the thousands of posts. You seem to be able to provide fake news links so I know you are capable of this. Even fake news has links on this. You are part of the reason the USA is in this mess. Thankfully 23% of the democrats have figured this out in some of the states.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2624161]Do you know how to search on a computer. Type in shoplifting and crime in San Francisco and look at the thousands of links. Type in gas prices in California for 2020 and 2021 and look at the thousands of posts. You seem to be able to provide fake news links so I know you are capable of this. Even fake news has links on this. You are part of the reason the USA is in this mess. Thankfully 23% of the democrats have figured this out in some of the states.[/QUOTE][B]You[/B] were the one who chose not to provide sources [B]in the first place[/B]. Do you not understand that? Asking somebody else to do your work for you is the epitome of MAGAt behavior.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2624040]"There are millions of links" yet you provided [B]none[/B].[/QUOTE]You're asking too much. Why would our "ex-Democrat" here bother with the specifics? He's a free spirit. He's operating in the astral plane sane people can't ever see and reach (fortunately). Thus people who live in the real world and who'd rather deal with facts, just need to recognize their own limitations rather than ask them, the Faithful, for any kind of proof, for such proof can only exist in their self-imposed state of collective delusion.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2624186]You're asking too much. Why would our "ex-Democrat" here bother with the specifics? He's a free spirit. He's operating in the astral plane sane people can't ever see and reach (fortunately). Thus people who live in the real world and who'd rather deal with facts, just need to recognize their own limitations rather than ask them, the Faithful, for any kind of proof, for such proof can only exist in their self-imposed state of collective delusion.[/QUOTE]Here is one of the great democrat accomplishments in California. These 11 cities can be proud.

[URL]https://californiaglobe.com/articles/11-california-cities-make-most-dangerous-in-u-s-list-2021/amp/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2624173][B]You[/B] were the one who chose not to provide sources [B]in the first place[/B]. Do you not understand that? Asking somebody else to do your work for you is the epitome of MAGAt behavior.[/QUOTE]Denial. Denial. Denial. I am smart enough to research what our state government does and how it affects me. I work for a living so it is important to me. If I was a socialist on welfare or government subsistence like you I would also research it. Just common sense. Democrat government officials look after themselves. Not the working class. Some are smart enough to see that.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2624173][B]You[/B] were the one who chose not to provide sources [B]in the first place[/B]. Do you not understand that? Asking somebody else to do your work for you is the epitome of MAGAt behavior.[/QUOTE]Not to mention that the burden of proof always rests with the person making the claim. From the MAGAs though it's typically all mouth, no sources, and all in the spirit of their hero.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2624190]Here is one of the great democrat accomplishments in California. These 11 cities can be proud.

[URL]https://californiaglobe.com/articles/11-california-cities-make-most-dangerous-in-u-s-list-2021/amp/[/URL][/QUOTE]A very special heartfelt thanks goes to all the Dem voters in those cities who did not vote for the Great Trump Repub Crash and Recession or Trump's Pandemic that has so far mass murdered 750,000+ Americans but did vote for the Great Biden Dem Economic Recovery and Expansion and his saving millions of American lives.

As opposed to all Repubs everwhere who voted for Trump's Great Repub Crash and Recession, the mass murder of 750,000+ Americans, against the saving of millions more American lives and against any hope of an economic recovery but only for another Great Repub Recession/Depression and millions more USA jobs destroyed.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2624149]There is zero evidence Repubs even know much less remotely understand how and why Trump's Great Repub Crash and Recession due to his incomparable contribution to producing Trump's Pandemic caused the current Supply-Chain paralysis and consequent inflation issues.[/QUOTE]I think if they were smarter than a bag of rocks.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2624106]"In October, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from COVID, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties (7. 8 per 100,000). October was the fifth consecutive month that the percentage gap between the death rates in Trump counties and Biden counties widened."

Who says the news is always negative? This is great news as our political future seems brighter and brighter.[/QUOTE]Soon, there will be almost no RethugliKKKans left in Texas. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/unvaccinated-texans-40-times-more-203151245.html[/URL].

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/election-2021-new-jersey-legislative/2021/11/10/id/1044124/[/URL]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/nj-dem-leader-refuses-concede-121940571.html[/URL]

I'm guessing he got a call from the "big guy" saying are you out of your fucking mind, "wrap it up" we can't let you say you found more votes.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2624605][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/election-2021-new-jersey-legislative/2021/11/10/id/1044124/[/URL]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/nj-dem-leader-refuses-concede-121940571.html[/URL]

I'm guessing he got a call from the "big guy" saying are you out of your fucking mind, "wrap it up" we can't let you say you found more votes.[/QUOTE]The NEWSLAX link says, "The page you are looking for is unavailable." It must have been a real whopper to get pulled off the 'net so quickly.

And your other link says the Dem is still refusing to concede in light of the fact that the ballots are still coming in and there is evidence a ton of them that were not counted, a Repub tactic we'll be seeing more and more going forward. So who is this person supposedly telling the Dem to "wrap it up"?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2624748]The NEWSLAX link says, "The page you are looking for is unavailable." It must have been a real whopper to get pulled off the 'net so quickly.

And your other link says the Dem is still refusing to concede in light of the fact that the ballots are still coming in and there is evidence a ton of them that were not counted, a Repub tactic we'll be seeing more and more going forward. So who is this person supposedly telling the Dem to "wrap it up"?[/QUOTE]Thursday November 11,2021.

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Wednesday, 10 November 2021 03:27 PM.

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One of New Jersey's most powerful elected Democrats conceded Wednesday that he lost reelection to a Republican political newcomer, a commercial truck driver who spent only a couple thousand dollars on his campaign.

State Sen. President Steve Sweeney's loss to Edward Durr in southern New Jersey shocked state officials and left state Democrats, who control the Legislature, searching for a new leader.

"I of course accept the results. I want to congratulate Mr. Durr and wish him the best of luck," Sweeney said during a speech at the statehouse complex Wednesday.

Sweeney said his loss to Durr, who spent at least $2,300 in the contest, was the result of overwhelming GOP turnout in his suburban Philadelphia, politically split district. He lost by about 2,000 votes.

"It was a red wave," he said.

Sweeney, who spent about $305,000 on his campaign, added that he won't be withdrawing from public life, though he stopped short of saying whether he would seek election to the Senate again or run for governor in 2025. He said that he is going to continue to focus on "the things that are important to the people of this state."

"What the voters said in this election is New Jersey is a state filled with hardworking people who want to provide for their families and as leaders we need to speak directly to the concerns of all voters," he said. "I plan to keep speaking to those concerns."

Durr planned to speak later Wednesday.

His loss unfolded in a politically competitive suburban district that includes parts of Gloucester, Cumberland and Salem counties, which split their votes between Democrats and Republicans in the presidential elections in 2016 and again in 2020.

It also coincided with boosted GOP turnout in an off-year election that saw Republicans win across the state. Durr's victory, which The Associated Press declared Thursday, netted about 3% more votes than Sweeney did in 2017 in unofficial returns.

Sweeney's attention was also focused on tight Senate races elsewhere in the state.

Wednesday's speech was unusually formal for Sweeney, who stood before a lectern with the state seal, speaking in a quiet voice.

He sad he entered politics after his daughter Lauren was born prematurely and had developmental disabilities. He said he stayed with her in the hospital because he had a good benefits at his job, as a union ironworker.

"Twenty years later, I was able to make sure that all New Jersey parents had the same opportunity to be with their loved ones in their time of greatest need when the paid family leave bill I sponsored was signed into law," he said.

Sweeney has served as Senate president since 2010 and was responsible for shepherding Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy's progressive agenda through the Legislature, including a phased-in $15 an hour minimum wage, paid sick leave and recreational marijuana legalization.

He is also known for his high-profile reversal on opposition to same-sex marriage. Sweeney said in 2011 that he made the "biggest mistake of my legislative career" when he voted against marriage equality.

Though Sweeney was a fellow Democrat, he fought Murphy at the start of his administration over raising income taxes on the wealthy and worked closely with Republican Chris Christie during his eight-year term in office ending in 2018.

A deal he worked out with Christie to overhaul public worker pensions put Sweeney at odds with public sector unions, who would go on to become key supporters of Murphy.

Thought he has clashed with Sweeney, Murphy said last week he bemoaned the loss and said he didn't welcome the news.

Sweeney said he wouldn't be seeking a recount, which is not automatic in New Jersey and would have to be financed by the party seeking the tally.

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2624748]The NEWSLAX link says, "The page you are looking for is unavailable." It must have been a real whopper to get pulled off the 'net so quickly.

And your other link says the Dem is still refusing to concede in light of the fact that the ballots are still coming in and there is evidence a ton of them that were not counted, a Repub tactic we'll be seeing more and more going forward. So who is this person supposedly telling the Dem to "wrap it up"?[/QUOTE]Brace yourself you got much more red wave coming in 2022 jajajaja and 2024.

More CRT please!

Mucho mas! ROTFLMMFAO.

Our lord and savior is coming back to town.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2624605][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/election-2021-new-jersey-legislative/2021/11/10/id/1044124/[/URL]

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/nj-dem-leader-refuses-concede-121940571.html[/URL]

I'm guessing he got a call from the "big guy" saying are you out of your fucking mind, "wrap it up" we can't let you say you found more votes.[/QUOTE]If you had been following real news broadcasts then you would know that the democrat claimed to have found 12,000 more votes for himself 5 days after the election was over and 100% of the votes had been counted. Similar to the general election when the democrats found votes in the middle of the night. Now every honest person would think that the election was over after 100% of the vote was counted but some democrats seem to want to get 110% of the votes counted. Only in the democrat world can you get more votes than voters.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2624808]Thursday November 11,2021.

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One of New Jersey's most powerful elected Democrats conceded Wednesday that he lost reelection to a Republican political newcomer, a commercial truck driver who spent only a couple thousand dollars on his campaign.

State Sen. President Steve Sweeney's loss to Edward Durr in southern New Jersey shocked state officials and left state Democrats, who control the Legislature, searching for a new leader.

"I of course accept the results. I want to congratulate Mr. Durr and wish him the best of luck," Sweeney said during a speech at the statehouse complex Wednesday.

Sweeney said his loss to Durr, who spent at least $2,300 in the contest, was the result of overwhelming GOP turnout in his suburban Philadelphia, politically split district. He lost by about 2,000 votes.

"It was a red wave," he said.
...[/QUOTE]Yeah, the Party opposite the newly elected one in the WH usually wins many congressional seats in that first midterm. Getting all excited about the prospect of something that normally happens happening is like doing backflips and cartwheels over that Repub gubernatorial squeaker in Virginia.

Btw, that Dem was so "powerful" I'm guessing nobody outside of New Jersey ever heard of him.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2624895]Yeah, the Party opposite the newly elected one in the WH usually wins many congressional seats in that first midterm. Getting all excited about the prospect of something that normally happens happening is like doing backflips over that Repub gubernatorial squeaker in Virginia.[/QUOTE]In four short years TrumpShit lost the House, the Senate and the White House.

That does not happen often.

In fact, that only happened to TrumpShit.

I am still doubled over in laughter about it.

Long live TrumpShit.

And it's election magic.

And a major slap in the face for Trumpty-Dumpty and Moscow Mitch:

[b]Republicans Effort to Reclaim Senate Stumbles in New Hampshire.
Gov. Chris Sununu dashes hopes of Trump, McConnell to run against incumbent Sen. Maggie Hassan[/b]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-hampshire-gov-chris-sununu-declines-to-enter-senate-race-11636470371[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2624895]Yeah, the Party opposite the newly elected one in the WH usually wins many congressional seats in that first midterm. Getting all excited about the prospect of something that normally happens happening is like doing backflips over that Repub gubernatorial squeaker in Virginia.

Btw, that Dem was so "powerful" I'm guessing nobody outside of New Jersey ever heard of him.[/QUOTE]True but hopefully it is a landslide and we can get the country back on track from this catastrophe. But we still have another year of Biden screwups so the American people are going to suffer more. Especially the poor and the minorities who Biden is hurting the most. A few more regulations on drilling and another pipeline closure could get gas prices up to $6. More green energy will drastically increase electric prices. Natural gas prices and heating bills are going to sky rocket this winter. Socialists are going to get their wishes with less gas cars on the road because the poor aren't going to be able to afford filling their tank.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2624913]True but hopefully it is a landslide and we can get the country back on track from this catastrophe. But we still have another year of Biden screwups so the American people are going to suffer more. Especially the poor and the minorities who Biden is hurting the most. A few more regulations on drilling and another pipeline closure could get gas prices up to $6. More green energy will drastically increase electric prices. Natural gas prices and heating bills are going to sky rocket this winter. Socialists are going to get their wishes with less gas cars on the road because the poor aren't going to be able to afford filling their tank.[/QUOTE]
[B]China has a big inflation problem and it's pushing up prices worldwide[/B]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/10/economy/china-cpi-ppi-inflation-intl-hnk/index.html[/URL]

[B]Germany: Inflation reaches 28-year high amid surge in energy prices.
The annual inflation rate accelerated for the fourth month in a row, hitting 4.5% in October. The record level of price hikes comes as energy prices soar across Europe.[/B]
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/germany-inflation-reaches-28-year-high-amid-surge-in-energy-prices/a-59653840[/URL]

Gee, I had no idea Biden's near utterly irrelevant USA drilling and pipeline policies had such an immediate effect on worldwide inflation. Damn, that Dem Party is obviously the MOST POWERFUL entity on the Planet the way they can overturn American election results leaving zero evidence of it, produce worldwide inflation problems with the wave of a wand and all that. I guess I underestimated the true POWER of that otherwise unknown Dem New Jersey State Senator.

Yes, there is no better Party to "get the country back on track" concerning important, complex economic problems than the Repub Party that apparently hasn't got the slightest clue what causes them, what to do about them, has NEVER solved them but is always there to PRODUCE them at historic high levels by whatever opportunistic, new and unprecedented means necessary, including doing NOTHING when taking action and actually LEGISLATING is required. lol

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2624908]And a major slap in the face for Trumpty-Dumpty and Moscow Mitch:

[b]Republicans Effort to Reclaim Senate Stumbles in New Hampshire.
Gov. Chris Sununu dashes hopes of Trump, McConnell to run against incumbent Sen. Maggie Hassan[/b]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-hampshire-gov-chris-sununu-declines-to-enter-senate-race-11636470371[/URL][/QUOTE]One guy's refusal to run is not the cause for celebration. Unfortunately, the red wave IS coming. A Senate President in NJ lost to a damn truck driver who spent $2,000 on his campaign. And the problem is not that he's a truck driver. The problem is that he ran because he couldn't get a gun permit. Splendid!

People voted for a guy with no plan, no money, no experience, no charisma, just a grudge. What is it if not the red wave?

All Biden's tremendous achievements (and they are tremendous) will mean nothing if he's going to snooze in front of the cameras. That's what media love to play and they will play it ad infinitum and that's what people see and talk about, not his infrastructure bill.

We're back in Trump's America again.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2625135]One guy's refusal to run is not the cause for celebration. Unfortunately, the red wave IS coming. A Senate President in NJ lost to a damn truck driver who spent $2,000 on his campaign. And the problem is not that he's a truck driver. The problem is that he ran because he couldn't get a gun permit. Splendid!

People voted for a guy with no plan, no money, no experience, no charisma, just a grudge. What is it if not the red wave?

All Biden's tremendous achievements (and they are tremendous) will mean nothing if he's going to snooze in front of the cameras. That's what media love to play and they will play it ad infinitum and that's what people see and talk about, not his infrastructure bill.

We're back in Trump's America again.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter if Biden takes a cat nap at an overseas conference just like every other POTUS has done during a speech he already read the transcripts for or if he leaps tall buildings with a single bound every morning before breakfast, Mainstream Media will denigrate tremendous accomplishments and results by him and any other Dem and gaze in admiration and awe at whatever nothingness or disastrous results deadbeat Repubs produce over and over again.

They will find some reason to do it. Or no reason at all works fine for them as well.

That has always been the nature of things. There is nothing Biden and the Dems can do to change it.

But for at least a solid year before the midterms all Americans will witness Repubs taking credit for job creating, quality of life improving infrastructure projects only a tiny handful of them even voted for and none of them negotiated into a historic bi-partisan legislation, while the rest will be cornered into demonizing safer bridges, roads, tunnels, schools, creating new, better and higher paying USA jobs.

Have fun watching it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2625246]It doesn't matter if Biden takes a cat nap at an overseas conference just like every other POTUS has done during a speech he already read the transcripts for or if he leaps tall buildings with a single bound every morning before breakfast, Mainstream Media will denigrate tremendous accomplishments and results by him and any other Dem and gaze in admiration and awe at whatever nothingness or disastrous results deadbeat Repubs produce over and over again.

They will find some reason to do it. Or no reason at all works fine for them as well.

That has always been the nature of things. There is nothing Biden and the Dems can do to change it.

But for at least a solid year before the midterms all Americans will witness Repubs taking credit for job creating, quality of life improving infrastructure projects only a tiny handful of them even voted for and none of them negotiated into a historic bi-partisan legislation, while the rest will be cornered into demonizing safer bridges, roads, tunnels, schools, creating new, better and higher paying USA jobs.

Have fun watching it.[/QUOTE]Please provide proof and video proof that every president has fallen asleep at an overseas conference. This appears to be another of many fabricated lies in your posts. Socialists just make up excuses and lies for every Biden failure.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2625296]Please provide proof and video proof that every president has fallen asleep at an overseas conference. This appears to be another of many fabricated lies in your posts. Socialists just make up excuses and lies for every Biden failure.[/QUOTE][URL]https://theconversation.com/a-brief-history-of-presidential-lethargy-111331[/URL]

Funny article starts with this:

"No one doubts the job of president of the United States is stressful and demanding. The chief executive deserves downtime.

But how much is enough, and when is it too much?

These questions came into focus in 2019 after Axios released President Donald Trump's schedule. The hours blocked off for nebulous "executive time" seem, to many critics, disproportionate to the number of scheduled working hours.

While Trump's workdays may ultimately prove to be shorter than those of past presidents, he's not the first to face criticism. For every president praised for his work ethic, there's one disparaged for sleeping on the job. ?

Seems like Caligoof needs a lesson on how to search the internet.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2625296]Please provide proof and video proof that every president has fallen asleep at an overseas conference. This appears to be another of many fabricated lies in your posts. Socialists just make up excuses and lies for every Biden failure.[/QUOTE]You got to love the leftist mindset. Seems that falling asleep amongst world leaders and crapping your pants in front of the pope is normal behavior. This guy is a buffoon and epic failure.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2625296]Please provide proof and video proof that every president has fallen asleep at an overseas conference. This appears to be another of many fabricated lies in your posts. Socialists just make up excuses and lies for every Biden failure.[/QUOTE]Old Joe is just doing the job a Figurehead is supposed to do. Better actually: can't put his foot in his mouth when he's asleep. His enablers are hoping he conks out more often. It makes their job easier.

[QUOTE=DickBump;2625351]You got to love the leftist mindset. Seems that falling asleep amongst world leaders and crapping your pants in front of the pope is normal behavior. This guy is a buffoon and epic failure.[/QUOTE]The sad thing is he's the best the Democrat party has to offer. Look at the other Democrats. Kamala, Bootyjudge, etc. None of them should be in leadership positions.

Let's remember what happened on January 6th.

An angry mob, revved up by TrumpShit and his supporters, attacked our nation's capitol.

Five people died and hundreds were injured, many of the injured were police.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2625117][B]China has a big inflation problem and it's pushing up prices worldwide[/B]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/10/economy/china-cpi-ppi-inflation-intl-hnk/index.html[/URL]

[B]Germany: Inflation reaches 28-year high amid surge in energy prices.
The annual inflation rate accelerated for the fourth month in a row, hitting 4.5% in October. The record level of price hikes comes as energy prices soar across Europe.[/B]
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/germany-inflation-reaches-28-year-high-amid-surge-in-energy-prices/a-59653840[/URL]

Gee, I had no idea Biden's near utterly irrelevant USA drilling and pipeline policies had such an immediate effect on worldwide inflation. Damn, that Dem Party is obviously the MOST POWERFUL entity on the Planet the way they can overturn American election results leaving zero evidence of it, produce worldwide inflation problems with the wave of a wand and all that. I guess I underestimated the true POWER of that otherwise unknown Dem New Jersey State Senator.

Yes, there is no better Party to "get the country back on track" concerning important, complex economic problems than the Repub Party that apparently hasn't got the slightest clue what causes them, what to do about them, has NEVER solved them but is always there to PRODUCE them at historic high levels by whatever opportunistic, new and unprecedented means necessary, including doing NOTHING when taking action and actually LEGISLATING is required. lol[/QUOTE]Biden failing Americans has nothing to do with other countries. Yes Biden cutting drilling by 50% in the USA has created a shortage of USA crude. Making USA more reliant on Russia oil and OPEC oil. As on the 70's when OPEC saw oil demand in USA increase and USA dependent on their oil they raised crude prices dramatically. We are held hostage to OPEC once again. Biden begging OPEC to produce more oil and lower prices is not going to work. Biden threat to shut another pipeline from Canada to Michigan will reduce our supply by another 540,000 barrels per day which we will have to buy from OPEC at higher prices. Biden is not smart enough to increase domestic supply. He would rather be held hostage by OPEC and oil will go up another 25%. The USA will get back on track once Republicans reclaim the House and Senate. But Americans will have to suffer another year some possibly without heat this winter.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2625296]Please provide proof and video proof that every president has fallen asleep at an overseas conference. This appears to be another of many fabricated lies in your posts. Socialists just make up excuses and lies for every Biden failure.[/QUOTE]My bad, I should have said all the most popular Repub presidents nodded off at meetings both domestic and abroad:

[URL]https://dcist.com/story/17/01/21/trump-prayer-breakfast/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-looks-bored-falls-asleep-during-coronavirus-meeting-2943537[/URL]

[URL]https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1136045/Donald-Trump-visit-video-Queen-Elizabeth-state-visit-UK-banquet-sleeping[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/20/us/briefing-reagan-and-sleep.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/06/10/President-Reagan-appeared-to-nod-off-during-a-45-minute/6147550296000/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.salon.com/2015/12/27/behind_the_ronald_reagan_myth_no_one_had_ever_entered_the_white_house_so_grossly_ill_informed_2/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625409]The sad thing is he's the best the Democrat party has to offer. Look at the other Democrats. Kamala, Bootyjudge, etc. None of them should be in leadership positions.[/QUOTE]In the midst of the container port, trucking, supply chain problems, Transportation Secretary Buttgagged has taken two months' off to be with his husband and their two newly adopted children. Isn't that Special?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625409]The sad thing is he's the best the Democrat party has to offer. Look at the other Democrats. Kamala, Bootyjudge, etc. None of them should be in leadership positions.[/QUOTE]It may be Bootybandit Vs Our Lord and Savior DJT Nov 2024.

[URL]https://www.sfgate.com/national-politics/article/Kamala-Harris-approval-rating-poll-history-Biden-16602512.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2625445]Biden failing Americans has nothing to do with other countries. Yes Biden cutting drilling by 50% in the USA has created a shortage of USA crude. Making USA more reliant on Russia oil and OPEC oil. As on the 70's when OPEC saw oil demand in USA increase and USA dependent on their oil they raised crude prices dramatically. We are held hostage to OPEC once again. Biden begging OPEC to produce more oil and lower prices is not going to work. Biden threat to shut another pipeline from Canada to Michigan will reduce our supply by another 540,000 barrels per day which we will have to buy from OPEC at higher prices. Biden is not smart enough to increase domestic supply. He would rather be held hostage by OPEC and oil will go up another 25%. The USA will get back on track once Republicans reclaim the House and Senate. But Americans will have to suffer another year some possibly without heat this winter.[/QUOTE]Biden has done nothing to drilling. The drillers have more than enough acreage to drill, they are not exposing themselves to the risks like before, They are not getting finance because banks got badly burned in the last crash so they have to self fund which reduces their ability to drill. Pretty simple economics, not politics. Shale drilling is not an economic bonanza for drillers and so even at current prices they are being cautious. Shale production fell off a cliff under Trump. Are you saying he was the cause or lack of demand was the cause?

Touche' newsmax.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2625422]Let's remember what happened on January 6th.

An angry mob, revved up by TrumpShit and his supporters, attacked our nation's capitol.

Five people died and hundreds were injured, many of the injured were police.[/QUOTE]The only person actually killed that day was an unarmed 5 foot 6, around 135 pound woman who was shot by an angry armed black security guard who fired first without a warning shot or even giving a verbal warning. I do agree that man should do more jail time than anyone else involved in that event that day.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625526]The only person actually killed that day was an unarmed 5 foot 6, around 135 pound woman who was shot by an angry armed black security guard who fired first without a warning shot or even giving a verbal warning. I do agree that man should do more jail time than anyone else involved in that event that day.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625526]The only person actually killed that day was an unarmed 5 foot 6, around 135 pound woman who was shot by an angry armed black security guard who fired first without a warning shot or even giving a verbal warning. I do agree that man should do more jail time than anyone else involved in that event that day.[/QUOTE]I do agree that man should do more jail time than anyone else involved in that event that day.

What if he was white, and the deceased was an unarmed or even armed black democrat?

Sadly I'm guessing Nutty Nancy probably gave him a fat promotion instead and a new assignment sitting outside her office.

Without the need to explain to him fire away buddy, we got ya covered.

When I 1st saw the video I thought wowww.

I just saw an execution, nobody stood up for her, certainly not the Democrats she was a white Trump voter (and him a black male I'm guessing most certainly a democrat).

Not even the Republicans, not the corporate media.

What a disgrace.

And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and the Red Wave descended on ISG. Oh my!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625526]The only person actually killed that day was an unarmed 5 foot 6, around 135 pound woman who was shot by an angry armed black security guard who fired first without a warning shot or even giving a verbal warning. I do agree that man should do more jail time than anyone else involved in that event that day.[/QUOTE]Hey, congratulations! You were only off by 4 on that day. What does that make you, something like 500% Incorrect about it? Good for you. That's closer to being correct than most Repub/Trumpsters are about anything important:

[B]These Are the 5 People Who Died in the Capitol Riot.
A police officer was beaten, a rioter was shot, and three others died during the rampage.[/B]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html[/URL]

And, of course, several others died within days due to injuries and medical problems sustained at Trump's Insurrection MAGA Riot or killed themselves as a direct result of it, mostly cops:

[B]How Many Died as a Result of Capitol Riot?[/B]
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2625582]Hey, congratulations! You were only off by 4 on that day. What does that make you, something like 500% Incorrect about it? Good for you. That's closer to being correct than most Repub/Trumpsters are about anything important:

[B]These Are the 5 People Who Died in the Capitol Riot.
A police officer was beaten, a rioter was shot, and three others died during the rampage.[/B]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html[/URL]

And, of course, several others died within days due to injuries and medical problems sustained at Trump's Insurrection MAGA Riot or killed themselves as a direct result of it, mostly cops:

[B]How Many Died as a Result of Capitol Riot?[/B]
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/[/URL][/QUOTE]Smoothy's news sources are making him look stupid.

Fox fake news yesterday chopped up and edited a portion of Joe Biden's speech in an effort to completely change the meaning in comments he recently made about baseball pitcher Satchel Paige.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzCl_sMrJaI[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625526]The only person actually killed that day was an unarmed 5 foot 6, around 135 pound woman who was shot by an angry armed black security guard who fired first without a warning shot or even giving a verbal warning. I do agree that man should do more jail time than anyone else involved in that event that day.[/QUOTE]Smoothy, these Democratic are so pathetic they want to blame heart attacks and drug overdoses on strokes and suicides on Trump to boot. All the Covid deaths are Trump's fault too. Everything bad is Trump's fault.

The problem with these is they act like they did nothing wrong. Even now this fucking prick Adam Schiff has changed his tune on Russiagate. Look at the video of Schiff here: [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/glenn-greenwald-adam-schiff-the-view-steele-dossier[/URL].

It is bad enough that the Clinton campaign and DOJ tried to rig an election with something we now know is a conspiracy. That Congress took this set of bullshit lies and used them in an attempt to toss out the votes of the American citizens? Shit, given the current set of facts, Nancy Pelosi et al should be thankful that is was just their offices that were ransacked. 1-6 was mild compared to what should have happened.

As for the Democratic douches here, there is no point in discussing with them. These fools still think the Russiagate impeachment was justified and everything in the Steele dossier was real, and they think all the bullshit arrests associated with this bogus investigation were great. Flynn and Stone were pardoned? They lied to the FBI who lied their asses off to the whole country? The horror.

Thing is Trump is going to win in 2024 if he chooses to run because anyone who looks at how the DOJ handled Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, and those associated with Russiagate, it is obvious that now the DOJ is a wing of the Democratic party, and the only one who may be able to fix it is Trump. It is critical to have an objective DOJ to have a functioning democracy.

It is amazing to me that after the 2016 Clinton-DOJ Russiagate conspiracy all the douches are like the 2020 election was fair. Why would anyone rational believe that?

But the thing you can count on with douches is not to have one second of regret. They will always counter. Well, yeah, but the Republicans did X. It is pathetic.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2625651]Smoothy's news sources are making him look stupid.

Fox fake news yesterday chopped up and edited a portion of Joe Biden's speech in an effort to completely change the meaning in comments he recently made about baseball pitcher Satchel Paige.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzCl_sMrJaI[/URL][/QUOTE]The MO of the conservative media world is this.

1. An ultra-right outlet manufactures a lie or spreads an unsubstantiated rumor.

2. Their audience consumes the lie.

2 a) Most can't tell it's a lie. They go ahead and share it on Social Media.

2 b) Some can see it for what it is, but since the lie can advance their cause, they go ahead and share it anyway.

3. The rest of the tribe see the lie coming from a social friend and accept it fully. Even if the outlet issues a correction a few days later, the lie continues to be spread unabated until it reaches everyone downstream.

In the liberal world information flows in a completely different manner.

1. A liberal outlet makes a mistake or spreads an unsubstantiated rumor.

2 a) Some in the audience can't tell it's just a rumor. They go ahead and share it on Social Media.

2 b) Yet others do the fact-checking and find a mistake. They go ahead and share their findings on Social Media.

3. The outlet issues an apologies.

4. But the rumor is already dead.

That whole conservative "strategy" is based on lies and falsehoods so brazen, plain, primitive and so in-your-face that the Republicans of the 70-s and 80-s would've cringed.

Of course they didn't have Gingrich, Facebook and Trump, so things were easier back then.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2625771]Smoothy, these Democratic are so pathetic they want to blame heart attacks and drug overdoses on strokes and suicides on Trump to boot. All the Covid deaths are Trump's fault too. Everything bad is Trump's fault.

The problem with these is they act like they did nothing wrong. Even now this fucking prick Adam Schiff has changed his tune on Russiagate. Look at the video of Schiff here: [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/glenn-greenwald-adam-schiff-the-view-steele-dossier[/URL].

It is bad enough that the Clinton campaign and DOJ tried to rig an election with something we now know is a conspiracy. That Congress took this set of bullshit lies and used them in an attempt to toss out the votes of the American citizens? Shit, given the current set of facts, Nancy Pelosi et al should be thankful that is was just their offices that were ransacked. 1-6 was mild compared to what should have happened.

As for the Democratic douches here, there is no point in discussing with them. These fools still think the Russiagate impeachment was justified and everything in the Steele dossier was real, and they think all the bullshit arrests associated with this bogus investigation were great. Flynn and Stone were pardoned? They lied to the FBI who lied their asses off to the whole country? The horror..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/mark-meadows-subpoena-contempt-congress/2021/11/13/id/1044512/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.9news.com.au/world/joe-biden-donald-trump-election-polls-approval-rating-inflation-usa-politics-news/b8c90187-7d72-4c83-9123-d64e60a75e12[/URL]

"Everything bad is Trump's fault." No counter from me. You hit the nail on the head. Douche!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2625651]Smoothy's news sources are making him look stupid.

Fox fake news yesterday chopped up and edited a portion of Joe Biden's speech in an effort to completely change the meaning in comments he recently made about baseball pitcher Satchel Paige.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzCl_sMrJaI[/URL][/QUOTE]I didn't share any news source at all. I simply stated a fact. The only person killed that day was an unarmed woman murdered by a black security guard without warning. Does their race or gender really matter? Not really. Race and gender are only important to the left if it fits their narrative, which it does not in this case. But that was the only murder committed that day regardless.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2625539]I do agree that man should do more jail time than anyone else involved in that event that day.

What if he was white, and the deceased was an unarmed or even armed black democrat?

Sadly I'm guessing Nutty Nancy probably gave him a fat promotion instead and a new assignment sitting outside her office.

Without the need to explain to him fire away buddy, we got ya covered.

When I 1st saw the video I thought wowww.

I just saw an execution, nobody stood up for her, certainly not the Democrats she was a white Trump voter (and him a black male I'm guessing most certainly a democrat).

Not even the Republicans, not the corporate media.

What a disgrace.[/QUOTE]When I saw the video I thought wow, I'm watching an angry mob of America-hating loser males bash in a window at the Capitol and then stand aside while a loony, crazed woman climbs through it to lead the charge to hang Mike Pence, kill Nancy Pelosi and others and overthrow American democracy. I sure hope there is a patriotic American in there to give her fair warning and stop....OH GREAT! Thank you, Sir.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2625837]The MO of the conservative media world is this.

1. An ultra-right outlet manufactures a lie or spreads an unsubstantiated rumor.

2. Their audience consumes the lie.

2 a) Most can't tell it's a lie. They go ahead and share it on Social Media.

2 b) Some can see it for what it is, but since the lie can advance their cause, they go ahead and share it anyway.

3. The rest of the tribe see the lie coming from a social friend and accept it fully. Even if the outlet issues a correction a few days later, the lie continues to be spread unabated until it reaches everyone downstream.

In the liberal world information flows in a completely different manner.

1. A liberal outlet makes a mistake or spreads an unsubstantiated rumor.

2 a) Some in the audience can't tell it's just a rumor. They go ahead and share it on Social Media.[/QUOTE]Flip that to the exact opposite and you would be very close to being correct. The main difference being that almost every story that is so false that it requires an apology comes from the liberal media like CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, etc. (aka fake news).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2625885]When I saw the video I thought wow, I'm watching an angry mob of America-hating loser males bash in a window at the Capitol and then stand aside while a loony, crazed woman climbs through it to lead the charge to hang Mike Pence, kill Nancy Pelosi and others and overthrow American democracy. I sure hope there is a patriotic American in there to give her fair warning and stop....OH GREAT! Thank you, Sir.[/QUOTE]It was bad but not as bad as the BLM and Antifa riots, looting and billions of dollars of destruction. Now BLM is threatening New York new mayor that they will destroy the city if he brings in more police and gets tougher on crime. Jan 6 was a few hours long. BLM destruction is a constant threat to lives and property.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625877]I didn't share any news source at all. I simply stated a fact. The only person killed that day was an unarmed woman murdered by a black security guard without warning. Does their race or gender really matter? Not really. Race and gender are only important to the left if it fits their narrative, which it does not in this case. But that was the only murder committed that day regardless.[/QUOTE]Facts and the truth mean nothing to the socialists on this site. You are 100% correct and they hate the truth when it doesn't suit their narrative.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2625771]Smoothy, these Democratic are so pathetic they want to blame heart attacks and drug overdoses on strokes and suicides on Trump to boot. All the Covid deaths are Trump's fault too. Everything bad is Trump's fault.

The problem with these is they act like they did nothing wrong. Even now this fucking prick Adam Schiff has changed his tune on Russiagate. Look at the video of Schiff here: [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/glenn-greenwald-adam-schiff-the-view-steele-dossier[/URL].

It is bad enough that the Clinton campaign and DOJ tried to rig an election with something we now know is a conspiracy. That Congress took this set of bullshit lies and used them in an attempt to toss out the votes of the American citizens? Shit, given the current set of facts, Nancy Pelosi et al should be thankful that is was just their offices that were ransacked. 1-6 was mild compared to what should have happened.

As for the Democratic douches here, there is no point in discussing with them. These fools still think the Russiagate impeachment was justified and everything in the Steele dossier was real, and they think all the bullshit arrests associated with this bogus investigation were great. Flynn and Stone were pardoned? They lied to the FBI who lied their asses off to the whole country? The horror..[/QUOTE]Your post is exactly true. It is pathetic that these socialists try to deflect the incompetent president with talking Trump. If Trump had done a tenth of the illegal shit that the Clintons ad done he would have been locked up for 10 years. There probably isn't one socialist here that will finally admit they were wrong on the Russian collusion. Now Biden has Chinese collusion. His son is selling paintings to the Chinese for millions. China is benefiting from payments to the Biden's and no talk of even investigating. I guess these guys on this forum are worried about getting future welfare payments if Republicans get control.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2625771]Smoothy, these Democratic are so pathetic they want to blame heart attacks and drug overdoses on strokes and suicides on Trump to boot. All the Covid deaths are Trump's fault too. Everything bad is Trump's fault.

The problem with these is they act like they did nothing wrong. Even now this fucking prick Adam Schiff has changed his tune on Russiagate. Look at the video of Schiff here: [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/glenn-greenwald-adam-schiff-the-view-steele-dossier[/URL].

It is bad enough that the Clinton campaign and DOJ tried to rig an election with something we now know is a conspiracy. That Congress took this set of bullshit lies and used them in an attempt to toss out the votes of the American citizens? Shit, given the current set of facts, Nancy Pelosi et al should be thankful that is was just their offices that were ransacked. 1-6 was mild compared to what should have happened.[/QUOTE]I don't encourage anti-American behavior.

You and TrumpShit need to stop encouraging it Elvis.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2625885]When I saw the video I thought wow, I'm watching an angry mob of America-hating loser males bash in a window at the Capitol[/QUOTE]What you were seeing was a preview of what could happen on a large scale if the officials holding elective office continue to serve the oligarchs and corporate interests that bankroll them while refusing to represent the will of the people.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625526]The only person actually killed that day was an unarmed 5 foot 6, around 135 pound woman who was shot by an angry armed black security guard who fired first without a warning shot or even giving a verbal warning. I do agree that man should do more jail time than anyone else involved in that event that day.[/QUOTE]Where was this "unarmed 5 foot 6, around 135 pound woman"? Was she sleeping in her bed when the police executed a no-knock warrant? Was she walking home from a convenience store after buying some skittles?

Once again, the "actions have consequences" crowd seems to forget that the idiot in question took part in a riot at the US Capitol.

Why is it that any black person who gets shot while taking part in a protest gets the "Well, if they hadn't been there, this wouldn't have happened" treatment? But a white woman taking part in a riot at the US Capitol doesn't get the same "Well, if she hadn't been there, this wouldn't have happened" treatment. I know the fascists will try to spin this but, sorry, they are the same thing. Normal people can see this. Fascists? Not so much.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2625987]I don't encourage anti-American behavior.

You and TrumpShit need to stop encouraging it Elvis.[/QUOTE]He is not encouraging anti American behavior. He is against Anti American behavior that the democrats support. I am also confident that he is against BLM also who is the main anti American group in USA. I suppose you think BLM leader threatening the New Democratic Mayor of NYC is not anti American? BLM leader threatens rioting and bloodshed in NYC if the new mayor starts arresting criminals and increases police forces to stop the deadly crime in NYC. Obviously you hate America along with BLM.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2625912]Facts and the truth mean nothing to the socialists on this site. You are 100% correct and they hate the truth when it doesn't suit their narrative.[/QUOTE]Since "the socialists" hate the truth, who originally commissioned and paid for the "Steele dossier"?

"During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump's rival for the party's nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination." [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2626054]Once again, the "actions have consequences" crowd seems to forget that the idiot in question took part in a riot at the US Capitol.[/QUOTE]You mean the same US capitol where a conspiracy of the Clinton campaign, DOJ, and sitting Congressmen tried to kick out a duly elected president with the fraudulent Russiagate?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2625987]I don't encourage anti-American behavior.[/QUOTE]Is that what Russiagate was, American behavior? Like I said, you probably still believe Russiagate was real. Your post earns you douche points. Congratulations!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625879]I didn't share any news source at all. I simply stated a fact. The only person killed that day was an unarmed woman murdered by a black security guard without warning. Does their race or gender really matter? Not really. Race and gender are only important to the left if it fits their narrative, which it does not in this case. But that was the only murder committed that day regardless.

As far as Biden's negro league speech, I don't give a shit one way or the other.[/QUOTE]There must have been some source for that "fact" you were something like 500% Wrong about.

If not some loony fake news source, what was it? A psychic inkling? Rumors spreading through your neighborhood? A fortune cookie message? Smoke signals?

And, yeah, I'm guessing wherever it was you heard it that source will never apologize for lying to anyone foolish enough to pay attention to them.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2626133]Since "the socialists" hate the truth, who originally commissioned and paid for the "Steele dossier"?

"During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump's rival for the party's nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination." [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]So Russiagate was the Republican's fault? The illegal warrants? The impeachment? The bogus criminal investigations and convictions? The attempt at thwarting the will of the voters was the fault of Republicans?

You score big douche points for that one, PV.

I will try to score some douche points now too. We all really know Russiagate was all Trump's fault. How did I do?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2626054]Once again, the actions have consequences crowd seems to forget.[/QUOTE]I really like that phrase if only there were an example of this.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/06/the-double-irony-of-asking-opec-to-increase-oil-production/?sh=63ba515e45e0[/URL]

If we prematurely discourage investment in fossil fuels and then our dependence doesn't decline as rapidly as the Biden Administration envisions that is a recipe for shortages, higher prices, and greater dependence on foreign nations for our energy.

Like the Obama Administration, the Biden Administration initially adopted a relatively hostile position toward the fossil fuel industry. The revocation of the Keystone XL Pipeline permit and the temporary suspension of new oil and gas leases on federal lands were policies that signaled that the Biden Administration wants to move the country away from oil.

But what happens when Americans aren't ready to move on from oil, and new domestic supplies aren't meeting demand?

That's the position we currently find ourselves in. The Biden Administration could respond in one of two ways.

They could say High oil prices will speed up the transition to renewable energy which is certainly how they feel privately. After all, USA Officials attended the COP26 you. And. Climate Summit in Glasgow this week, where they discussed plans to reduce carbon emissions. They could tell Americans to take their medicine, live with higher gas prices, and then privately hope that hastens the transition to green energy.

But people don't like paying higher gasoline prices. So, the first irony is that the Biden Administration asked OPEC to pump more oil, undermining its COP26 messaging of reducing fossil fuel consumption. At the G-20 meeting in Rome, President Biden complained:

"The idea that Russia and Saudi Arabia and other major producers are not going to pump more oil so people can have gasoline to get to and from work, for example, is not right. "

President Biden pleaded with OPEC this week to pump more oil. Those pleas were rebuffed, and late in the week Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm called on oil-producing nations to immediately increase crude supplies so people won't be hurt by high prices this winter.

The second irony in this situation is that one country that is producing a lot less oil than it was 18 months ago is the USA And policies that are hostile to the oil industry indeed that will ultimately curtail USA Oil production potentially lead us to a place like this.

Secretary Granholm seemed unclear on why USA Producers haven't ramped production back up:

"I don't know why at $80 a barrel those incentives are not there. During Covid, it was down they backed off because demand was not there because people were staying home, we know that. Now that things are back up, the production should be meeting that demand, there has been rigs that have been added but not fully."

Because of the lag between price signals and production changes, the Biden Administration needs to make decisions now to ensure domestic supplies are strong during the rest of his term. One of the most important acts the administration could do is fast-track thousands of drilling permit applications that are waiting to be approved.

The administration slowed down these approvals early in the year. The pace has picked up substantially, but that initial slowdown is being felt right now. And that, in part, is why we have to ask OPEC to pump more oil. It's a bad look for the USA, but a consequence that I warned about in my February article.

The Biden Administration should learn a valuable lesson from this. An agenda to move the USA Away from fossil fuels is a noble one. But, if in the process your policies contribute to a supply shortfall and prices skyrocket, you won't be able to see that agenda through because you will be voted out of office. That is where theory collides with practical reality.

End of link.

But there is good news for power starved Americans.

[URL]https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/electricity.php[/URL]

The share of electricity generation produced by natural gas in the United States averages 36% in 2021 and 35% in 2022 in our forecast, down from 39% in 2020. In 2021, our forecast share for natural gas as a generation fuel declines in response to our expectation of a higher delivered natural gas price. As a result of the higher expected natural gas prices, the forecast share of electricity generation from coal rises from 20% in 2020 to about 23% in 2021 and 22% in 2022.

End of quote.

You cannot make this stuff up. Maybe a nickname change is due. Maybe we should call him Joe "King Coal" Biden. He he.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626218]I really like that phrase if only there were an example of this.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/06/the-double-irony-of-asking-opec-to-increase-oil-production/?sh=63ba515e45e0[/URL]

If we prematurely discourage investment in fossil fuels and then our dependence doesn't decline as rapidly as the Biden Administration envisions that is a recipe for shortages, higher prices, and greater dependence on foreign nations for our energy.

Like the Obama Administration, the Biden Administration initially adopted a relatively hostile position toward the fossil fuel industry. The revocation of the Keystone XL Pipeline permit and the temporary suspension of new oil and gas leases on federal lands were policies that signaled that the Biden Administration wants to move the country away from oil.

But what happens when Americans aren't ready to move on from oil, and new domestic supplies aren't meeting demand?

That's the position we currently find ourselves in.[/QUOTE]Great post! North Dakota has been able to ramp up their production because they have little federal land and plenty of private land to drill on. Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, Montana ave been hit hard by Biden cancelling all drilling permits on federal land. Unfortunately most of the oil from North Dakota has to be shipped by truck and rail as there is not enough pipeline capacity to increase production. Biden as created this mess and it is going to get worse. He will not increase drilling in USA and we will e held hostage by OPEC. Expect higher gas prices. OPEC goal is to get crude oil over $100 a barrel and Biden is playing right into their hands. Heating bills will skyrocket also.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626142]Is that what Russiagate was, American behavior? Like I said, you probably still believe Russiagate was real. Your post earns you douche points. Congratulations![/QUOTE]Of course, Russian collusion with Team Trump in the 2016 presidential election was real. It was discovered, uncovered and admitted to countless times by any number of Team Trump members from the Chairman of the Trump Presidential Campaign to spokesmen for the Campaign to go-betweens for the collusion to Trump's own family members.

However, as was repeated countless times from the very beginning in the Mainstream Media, from Mueler's team, Trump's DOJ that busted, charged and convicted several Team Trump members for their crimes and even on this site, "collusion" with Russia was not a crime and was not something the investigators were even looking for.

True, it should have been a source of embarrassment and shame for Repubs and Trumpsters to know America's adversaries and enemies so dearly wanted their guy to win and work his magic to turn America into a shithole country.

But it wasn't and there was no "crime" that could be charged regarding it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2625904]Flip that to the exact opposite and you would be very close to being correct. The main difference being that almost every story that is so false that it requires an apology comes from the liberal media like CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, etc. (aka fake news).[/QUOTE]I don't flip. Flipping the script is your ilk's doing.

You pal Elvis has already flipped "Russiagate" to Biden (yeah, Russiagate, no less).

Like Russian Internet Research Agency trolls never toasted "we made America great again. ".

Like Russia never orchestrated those wikimedia leaks.

Like Putin never admitted they'd wanted Trump to win.

Like Donnie never asked Russia to dig more dirt on Hillary.

Like Donnie never laughed his ass off with Lavrov and Kisliak after firing Comey (with only Putin's TASS agency granted access to snap pictures).

Like Donnie never shared secret Israeli data with the Russians.

Like Donnie never met with the Russians alone, against all diplomatic protocols, without his aides and even an interpreter present.

Like Donnie never admired and excused Putin as a murderer. ​.

Like Donnie never sent his brain-damaged son to meet with Putin's agent in Trump Tower (and then taught the junior how to lie about it).

Like Donnie never told he trusted Putin more than his own 18 national security agencies.

Like hordes of Republicans don't adore Putin and his regime.

Yeah, aha.

And why does, pray-tell, every right winger is having this huge pornographic orgy right now?

I'll tell you why. Because FEDs arrested one guy who lied to Steel while he was compiling his dossier. One fucking guy.

In 2016.

For the dossier that was ordered BY REPUBLICANS.

And that's supposed to absolve him?

As if Donnie's never done anything for Russia after that dossier?

Give me a fucking break. No one can be that stupid.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2626369]I don't flip. Flipping the script is your ilk's doing.

You pal Elvis has already flipped "Russiagate" to Biden (yeah, Russiagate, no less).

Like Russian Internet Research Agency trolls never toasted "we made America great again. ".

Like Russia never orchestrated those wikimedia leaks.

Like Putin never admitted they'd wanted Trump to win.

Like Donnie never asked Russia to dig more dirt on Hillary.

Like Donnie never laughed his ass off with Lavrov and Kisliak after firing Comey (with only Putin's TASS agency granted access to snap pictures).

Like Donnie never shared secret Israeli data with the Russians.

Like Donnie never met with the Russians alone, against all diplomatic protocols, without his aides and even an interpreter present.

Like Donnie never admired and excused Putin as a murderer. ​.

Like Donnie never sent his brain-damaged son to meet with Putin's agent in Trump Tower (and then taught the junior how to lie about it)..[/QUOTE]Yes they can. This post proves that you are.

It is amazing that the USA is in a serious decline since Biden took office and all the socialists keep bringing up past presidents and Trump. Biden has been in office for almost a year and he he is a wreck and not a word of it from the so called democrats here. I guess they are following the socialists thinking like communism in China and Russia where you can not say anything bad about the communism policies.

Afghanistan catastrophe.

Border crises worst ever.

Highest inflation in 31 years.

Wokeness.

Mishandling covid.

Falling asleep at the most important international conference.

Harris laughing about the border and inflation.

The country has serious problems and incompetent president and VP and you are still talking Russia?

People across the country are suffering because of Biden and all of you are ignoring it. You are obviously good cult followers.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626218]I really like that phrase if only there were an example of this.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/06/the-double-irony-of-asking-opec-to-increase-oil-production/?sh=63ba515e45e0[/URL]

If we prematurely discourage investment in fossil fuels and then our dependence doesn't decline as rapidly as the Biden Administration envisions that is a recipe for shortages, higher prices, and greater dependence on foreign nations for our energy.

Like the Obama Administration, the Biden Administration initially adopted a relatively hostile position toward the fossil fuel industry. The revocation of the Keystone XL Pipeline permit and the temporary suspension of new oil and gas leases on federal lands were policies that signaled that the Biden Administration wants to move the country away from oil.

But what happens when Americans aren't ready to move on from oil, and new domestic supplies aren't meeting demand?

That's the position we currently find ourselves in. The Biden Administration could respond in one of two ways.

They could say High oil prices will speed up the transition to renewable energy which is certainly how they feel privately. After all, USA Officials attended the COP26 you. And. Climate Summit in Glasgow this week, where they discussed plans to reduce carbon emissions. They could tell Americans to take their medicine, live with higher gas prices, and then privately hope that hastens the transition to green energy..[/QUOTE]Once more you have proven that reading for comprehension isn't your strong suit. Your rant here has [B]absolutely nothing to do[/B] with my post about the "actions have consequences" crowd. Especially since my initial response was to a post about the rioter who was killed in the Capitol.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2626369]I don't flip. Flipping the script is your ilk's doing.

You pal Elvis has already flipped "Russiagate" to Biden (yeah, Russiagate, no less).

Like Russian Internet Research Agency trolls never toasted "we made America great again. ".

Like Russia never orchestrated those wikimedia leaks.

Like Putin never admitted they'd wanted Trump to win.

Like Donnie never asked Russia to dig more dirt on Hillary.

Like Donnie never laughed his ass off with Lavrov and Kisliak after firing Comey (with only Putin's TASS agency granted access to snap pictures).

Like Donnie never shared secret Israeli data with the Russians.

Like Donnie never met with the Russians alone, against all diplomatic protocols, without his aides and even an interpreter present.

Like Donnie never admired and excused Putin as a murderer. ​.

Like Donnie never sent his brain-damaged son to meet with Putin's agent in Trump Tower (and then taught the junior how to lie about it).

Like Donnie never told he trusted Putin more than his own 18 national security agencies..[/QUOTE]I beg to differ with your last sentence. 74+ million voters certainly were that stupid a year ago. But since they seem hell-bent on killing themselves, that number probably won't increase.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2626489]I beg to differ with your last sentence. 74+ million voters certainly were that stupid a year ago. But since they seem hell-bent on killing themselves, that number probably won't increase.[/QUOTE]March of the lemmings.

Hahahahaja.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2626489]I beg to differ with your last sentence. 74+ million voters certainly were that stupid a year ago. But since they seem hell-bent on killing themselves, that number probably won't increase.[/QUOTE]81,283,098 people were more stupid than the 74,000,000 that voted for Trump. They voted for Biden. Now they are paying the price. A lot of them are like me. They were duped to vote for an incompetent president because they didn't like Trump. Now Trump is looking pretty good now for a lot of democrats. There will still be the stupid ones that won't admit they screwed up though. Biden needs several more million illegals to enter the USA to vote in the 2024 election for him to have a chance to run again. He will continue to allow future voters to illegally enter to USA to vote for democrats but he won't look after the best interests of USA citizens. Keep supporting an incompetent president that is screwing the American people.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2626489]I beg to differ with your last sentence. 74+ million voters certainly were that stupid a year ago. But since they seem hell-bent on killing themselves, that number probably won't increase.[/QUOTE]If you invested in the Keystone pipeline, voting for Trump was stupid.

If you do not want to be vaxxed, voting for Trump was stupid.

If your business has been hurt by any of Biden's other executive orders (airlines, health care), voting for Trump was stupid.

If you have relatives in Afghanistan, voting for Trump was stupid.

Here is what you are trying to say: Voting for Trump hurts my paycheck, and anyone who messes with my paycheck is stupid.

You do not even care to understand the other's side POV.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2626352]Of course, Russian collusion with Team Trump in the 2016 presidential election was real. It was discovered, uncovered and admitted to countless times by any number of Team Trump members from the Chairman of the Trump Presidential Campaign to spokesmen for the Campaign to go-betweens for the collusion to Trump's own family members.

However, as was repeated countless times from the very beginning in the Mainstream Media, from Mueler's team, Trump's DOJ that busted, charged and convicted several Team Trump members for their crimes and even on this site, "collusion" with Russia was not a crime and was not something the investigators were even looking for.[/QUOTE][URL]https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million[/URL]

Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller's final report might leave audiences "disappointed," as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news.

Openly using such language has, all along, been an indictment. Imagine how tone-deaf you'd have to be to not realize it makes you look bad, when news does not match audience expectations you raised. To be unaware of this is mind-boggling, the journalistic equivalent of walking outside without pants.

There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn't prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr? The financial matters! There's an ongoing grand jury investigation, and possible sealed indictments, and the House will still investigate, and.

Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something "so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan" against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecute.

The biggest thing this affair has uncovered so far is Donald Trump paying off a porn star. That's a hell of a long way from what this business was supposedly about at the beginning, and shame on any reporter who tries to pretend this isn't so.

The story hyped from the start was espionage: a secret relationship between the Trump campaign and Russian spooks who'd helped him win the election.

The betrayal narrative was not reported as metaphor. It was not "Trump likes the Russians so much, he might as well be a spy for them. " It was literal spying, treason, and election-fixing crimes so severe, former NSA employee John Schindler told reporters, Trump "will die in jail."

In the early months of this scandal, the New York Times said Trump's campaign had "repeated contacts" with Russian intelligence; the Wall Street Journal told us our spy agencies were withholding intelligence from the new President out of fear he was compromised; news leaked out our spy chiefs had even told other countries like Israel not to share their intel with us, because the Russians might have "leverages of pressure" on Trump.

CNN told us Trump officials had been in "constant contact" with "Russians known to USA Intelligence," and the former director of the CIA, who'd helped kick-start the investigation that led to Mueller's probe, said the President was guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors," committing acts "nothing short of treasonous."

Hillary Clinton insisted Russians "could not have known how to weaponize" political ads unless they'the been "guided" by Americans. Asked if she meant Trump, she said.

"It's pretty hard not to. " Harry Reid similarly said he had "no doubt" that the Trump campaign was "in on the deal" to help Russians with the leak.

None of this has been walked back. To be clear, if Trump were being blackmailed by Russian agencies like the FSB or the GRU, if he had any kind of relationship with Russian intelligence, that would soar over the "overwhelming and bipartisan" standard, and Nancy Pelosi would be damning torpedoes for impeachment right now.

There was never real gray area here. Either Trump is a compromised foreign agent, or he isn't. If he isn't, news outlets once again swallowed a massive disinformation campaign, only this error is many orders of magnitude more stupid than any in the recent past, WMD included. Honest reporters like ABC's Terry Moran understand: Mueller coming back empty-handed on collusion means a "reckoning for the media."

Of course, there won't be such a reckoning. (There never is). But there should be. We broke every written and unwritten rule in pursuit of this story, starting with the prohibition on reporting things we can't confirm.

End of quote. The irony is Taibbi was wrong. There was a disastrous impeachment.

Eih, seeing as how Trump has killed 750,000 Americans, should he not be allowed to run for office again?

And shouldn't anyone who votes for Trump (or voted for him in the past) be tried as an accessory to murder?

In fact, shouldn't anyone who votes Republican ever again have their votes disallowed because they are agents of Russia like Trump?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2626369]I don't flip. Flipping the script is your ilk's doing.

You pal Elvis has already flipped "Russiagate" to Biden (yeah, Russiagate, no less).

Like Russian Internet Research Agency trolls never toasted "we made America great again. ".

Like Russia never orchestrated those wikimedia leaks.

Like Putin never admitted they'd wanted Trump to win.

Like Donnie never asked Russia to dig more dirt on Hillary.

Like Donnie never laughed his ass off with Lavrov and Kisliak after firing Comey (with only Putin's TASS agency granted access to snap pictures).

Like Donnie never shared secret Israeli data with the Russians.

Like Donnie never met with the Russians alone, against all diplomatic protocols, without his aides and even an interpreter present..[/QUOTE]So Trump was a Russian spy? He deserved to be impeached? He put Russian interests before America's? And all those who voted for him were duped?

And is everyone who votes for Trump a Russian spy too whose vote should be thrown out?

Isn't that what you would like Xpartan?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2626472]It is amazing that the USA is in a serious decline since Biden took office and all the socialists keep bringing up past presidents and Trump. Biden has been in office for almost a year and he he is a wreck and not a word of it from the so called democrats here. I guess they are following the socialists thinking like communism in China and Russia where you can not say anything bad about the communism policies.

Afghanistan catastrophe.

Border crises worst ever.

Highest inflation in 31 years.

Wokeness.

Mishandling covid.

Falling asleep at the most important international conference.

Harris laughing about the border and inflation.

The country has serious problems and incompetent president and VP and you are still talking Russia?

People across the country are suffering because of Biden and all of you are ignoring it. You are obviously good cult followers.[/QUOTE]To recap the real results in pictures as well as words...

If you thought the DOJ was not an extension of the Democratic party, today was not a good day for you. Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon was taken into federal custody on Monday to face contempt charges over his refusal to cooperate with Democrats' January 6 congressional investigation. He will appear before a judge later in the day.

The 67-year-old was indicted on Friday on two counts of criminal contempt. One for refusing to provide documents in response to the House committee's investigation, and the other for refusing to appear for a congressional deposition.

End of quote.

So here we go again. The Dems using the DOJ trying to arrest their way to victory. 1-6 is seen as treason and not what it was: a mild reaction to the shams that were Russiagate and Ukrainegate.

Henry Kissinger.

Janet Reno.

Harriet Miers.

Joshua Bolton.

Eric Holder.

Lois Lerner.

Bryan Pagliano.

Bill Barr.

Chad Wolf.

All held in contempt of Congress and not arrested.

And you saw it here. Every person who voted for Trump is stupid and should have their vote not count.

Hell, maybe we should just arrest everyone who ever voted Republican. Isn't that what you douches really want? After all we voted for someone who killed nearly a million people. Aren't we accessories to murder?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626727]Hell, maybe we should just arrest everyone who ever voted Republican. Isn't that what you douches really want? After all we voted for someone who killed nearly a million people. Aren't we accessories to murder?[/QUOTE]Go ahead if you're committed.

I'm glad to see a real leader like Desantis standing up to the Biden admin's absurd policy of flying illegal aliens all over the USA without even notifying the states they are sending them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNuQG3oRm_I[/URL]

I agree with Desantis, ship all illegals to Delaware.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626727]If you thought the DOJ was not an extension of the Democratic party, today was not a good day for you. Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon was taken into federal custody on Monday to face contempt charges over his refusal to cooperate with Democrats' January 6 congressional investigation. He will appear before a judge later in the day.

The 67-year-old was indicted on Friday on two counts of criminal contempt. One for refusing to provide documents in response to the House committee's investigation, and the other for refusing to appear for a congressional deposition.

End of quote.

So here we go again. The Dems using the DOJ trying to arrest their way to victory. 1-6 is seen as treason and not what it was: a mild reaction to the shams that were Russiagate and Ukrainegate.[/QUOTE]Being infatuated with Trump must make you feel better since you keep ignoring Biden's incompetence and the destruction of USA. Ignoring the issues does not make Biden incompetence go away.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2625422]Let's remember what happened on January 6th.

An angry mob, revved up by TrumpShit and his supporters, attacked our nation's capitol.

Five people died and hundreds were injured, many of the injured were police.[/QUOTE]Even more than five died.

When you include the police officers that quickly committed suicide.

When some of the politicians they protected proved to be unworthy of the police's care.

Democrats are getting smarter. Defunding police and open borders are not in line with any sane American.

"A Texas Democrat switched his affiliation to the Republican Party over the party's left-leaning embrace of defunding the police policies and "chaos" on the southern border.

State Rep. Ryan Guillen announced in a Monday press conference that he would seek reelection to his south Texas seat as a Republican, saying the Democratic Party's far-left values are no longer in line with his party.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626699][URL]https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million[/URL]

Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller's final report might leave audiences "disappointed," as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news.

Openly using such language has, all along, been an indictment. Imagine how tone-deaf you'd have to be to not realize it makes you look bad, when news does not match audience expectations you raised. To be unaware of this is mind-boggling, the journalistic equivalent of walking outside without pants.

There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn't prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr? The financial matters! There's an ongoing grand jury investigation, and possible sealed indictments, and the House will still investigate, and.

Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something "so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan" against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecute.

The biggest thing this affair has uncovered so far is Donald Trump paying off a porn star. That's a hell of a long way from what this business was supposedly about at the beginning, and shame on any reporter who tries to pretend this isn't so.

The story hyped from the start was espionage: a secret relationship between the Trump campaign and Russian spooks who'd helped him win the election.

The betrayal narrative was not reported as metaphor. It was not "Trump likes the Russians so much, he might as well be a spy for them. " It was literal spying, treason, and election-fixing crimes so severe, former NSA employee John Schindler told reporters, Trump "will die in jail."

In the early months of this scandal, the New York Times said Trump's campaign had "repeated contacts" with Russian intelligence; the Wall Street Journal told us our spy agencies were withholding intelligence from the new President out of fear he was compromised; news leaked out our spy chiefs had even told other countries like Israel not to share their intel with us, because the Russians might have "leverages of pressure" on Trump.

CNN told us Trump officials had been in "constant contact" with "Russians known to USA Intelligence," and the former director of the CIA, who'd helped kick-start the investigation that led to Mueller's probe, said the President was guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors," committing acts "nothing short of treasonous."

Hillary Clinton insisted Russians "could not have known how to weaponize" political ads unless they'the been "guided" by Americans. Asked if she meant Trump, she said.

"It's pretty hard not to. " Harry Reid similarly said he had "no doubt" that the Trump campaign was "in on the deal" to help Russians with the leak.

None of this has been walked back. To be clear, if Trump were being blackmailed by Russian agencies like the FSB or the GRU, if he had any kind of relationship with Russian intelligence, that would soar over the "overwhelming and bipartisan" standard, and Nancy Pelosi would be damning torpedoes for impeachment right now.

There was never real gray area here. Either Trump is a compromised foreign agent, or he isn't. If he isn't, news outlets once again swallowed a massive disinformation campaign, only this error is many orders of magnitude more stupid than any in the recent past, WMD included. Honest reporters like ABC's Terry Moran understand: Mueller coming back empty-handed on collusion means a "reckoning for the media."

Of course, there won't be such a reckoning. (There never is). But there should be. We broke every written and unwritten rule in pursuit of this story, starting with the prohibition on reporting things we can't confirm.

End of quote. The irony is Taibbi was wrong. There was a disastrous impeachment.

Eih, seeing as how Trump has killed 750,000 Americans, should he not be allowed to run for office again?

And shouldn't anyone who votes for Trump (or voted for him in the past) be tried as an accessory to murder?

In fact, shouldn't anyone who votes Republican ever again have their votes disallowed because they are agents of Russia like Trump?[/QUOTE]Your last couple of posts have certainly made compelling arguments for indicting Trump and anyone who voted for a Repub in the past 2-3 elections for a whole host of serious crimes against America.

But Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the Dems are way too busy repairing the horrific, near fatal damage done to the country on all fronts by Trump and his fellow Repubs to devote the time required to deal with all that.

Maybe they can get to it after they pass Biden's 3rd or 4th historic economic recovery, expansion and infrastructure legislation well before Trump stopped hosting golf excursions at his failing resorts and holding self-glorifying MAGA rallies long enough to sign and pass his one and only significant (godawful, counterproductive waste of $2.5+ Trillion) economic "stimulus" legislation at this same stage of his spectacularly failed so-called presidency.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626700]So Trump was a Russian spy? He deserved to be impeached? He put Russian interests before America's? And all those who voted for him were duped?

And is everyone who votes for Trump a Russian spy too whose vote should be thrown out?

Isn't that what you would like Xpartan?[/QUOTE]Oh, what a tangled web he weaves.

You might not know that, but what you do has a definition in psychology. It's called a "red herring," look it up.

1. No, Elvis, I don't think Trump was a Russian spy. He's too unhinged and undisciplined and narcissistic and, to be frank, dumb to be a spy. I do believe he was being groomed to be simply an agent of influence, but then, all of a sudden, there was a real shot at the White House.

2. Impeached? No. He deserves to be criminally prosecuted.

3. Why yes! He absolutely did put Russia's interests before America's.

4. Why yes! Of course, you fellas were duped. You still are.

5. No, you aren't Russian spies from what I know. You were duped (see #4).

6 and 7. No, I don't want any votes to be thrown out. For better or worse, every vote should count in a democracy.

Anything else I can help you with?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2626816]Oh, what a tangled web he weaves.

You might not know that, but what you do has a definition in psychology. It's called a "red herring," look it up.

1. No, Elvis, I don't think Trump was a Russian spy. He's too unhinged and undisciplined and narcissistic and, to be frank, dumb to be a spy. I do believe he was being groomed to be simply an agent of influence, but then, all of a sudden, there was a real shot at the White House.

2. Impeached? No. He deserves to be criminally prosecuted.

3. Why yes! He absolutely did put Russia's interests before America's.

4. Why yes! Of course, you fellas were duped. You still are.

5. No, you aren't Russian spies from what I know. You were duped (see #4).

6 and 7. No, I don't want any votes to be thrown out. For better or worse, every vote should count in a democracy.[/QUOTE]You could have saved a lot of keystrokes by simply typing "Don't waste your time asking me anything, I am a lemming". You may want to save that for future copy / paste if you plan to post again.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626690]If you invested in the Keystone pipeline, voting for Trump was stupid.

If you do not want to be vaxxed, voting for Trump was stupid.

If your business has been hurt by any of Biden's other executive orders (airlines, health care), voting for Trump was stupid.

If you have relatives in Afghanistan, voting for Trump was stupid.

Here is what you are trying to say: Voting for Trump hurts my paycheck, and anyone who messes with my paycheck is stupid.

You do not even care to understand the other's side POV.[/QUOTE]Trust me, all Democrats understand the RethugliKKKan POV.

You are a bunch of whiney clowns who long for the days when: women couldn't vote; blacks had to pay a poll tax to vote; schools were segregated (at least in the South); there were separate washrooms, dining rooms, drinking fountains, etc. For blacks (at least in the South); LBGTQ folks were in the closet and scared for their lives; most immigrants were white and European; the overwhelming majority of the USA was white and Protestant; and you could lynch blacks without consequence. That's the USA that RethugliKKKans want. That's the USA that you're fighting for.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626727]1-6 is seen as treason and not what it was: a mild reaction to the shams that were Russiagate and Ukrainegate.[/QUOTE]January 6th reminds me of the many police stings done years ago targeting crooks on the lam.

Sucker criminals were falling for targeting mailings offering "mystery prizes" to their last know address.

The suckers came running and got snatched up.

Good to get shit off the streets.

Dumb Shit.

See the attached photo. It is definitely 100% on the money.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2626816]Oh, what a tangled web he weaves.

You might not know that, but what you do has a definition in psychology. It's called a "red herring," look it up.

1. No, Elvis, I don't think Trump was a Russian spy. He's too unhinged and undisciplined and narcissistic and, to be frank, dumb to be a spy. I do believe he was being groomed to be simply an agent of influence, but then, all of a sudden, there was a real shot at the White House.

2. Impeached? No. He deserves to be criminally prosecuted.

3. Why yes! He absolutely did put Russia's interests before America's.

4. Why yes! Of course, you fellas were duped. You still are.

5. No, you aren't Russian spies from what I know. You were duped (see #4).

6 and 7. No, I don't want any votes to be thrown out. For better or worse, every vote should count in a democracy.

Anything else I can help you with?[/QUOTE]Loaded questions loaded with straw men, a favorite fallacious angle of Elvis. He'd quickly be laughed off a debate stage in a formal setting, but it's enough to draw some attention in a hooker forum.

[URL]https://fallacyinlogic.com/loaded-question-fallacy/[/URL]

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2626690]If you invested in the Keystone pipeline, voting for Trump was stupid.

If you do not want to be vaxxed, voting for Trump was stupid.

If your business has been hurt by any of Biden's other executive orders (airlines, health care), voting for Trump was stupid.

If you have relatives in Afghanistan, voting for Trump was stupid.

Here is what you are trying to say: Voting for Trump hurts my paycheck, and anyone who messes with my paycheck is stupid.

You do not even care to understand the other's side POV.[/QUOTE]Mainstream Media hope they can help enough Dems along with all those stable economic genius Repubs and Trumpsters forget all about those quite recent real world Trump-Repub economic decision results to get that Red Wave they so dearly desire.

Damn that Brandon for recovering us from the Great Trump-Repub Recession/Depression so well and creating better and higher paying USA jobs so historically fast that we have to pay more for chicken dinners for a while!

And, by god and our lord and savior Trump, it was cheaper to drive to the Trump-Repub breadlines back then!

[B]The Return of the Breadline.
In the 1930s, Americans lined up on sidewalks for food. Today, theyre lining up on the roads.[/B]
April 6, 2020
[URL]https://prospect.org/coronavirus/the-return-of-the-breadline/[/URL]
[quote]A police officer directs a double line of cars, stretching over a mile at times, in a queue waiting to pick up food outside the Greater Pittsburgh Community Food Bank in Duquesne, Pennsylvania, April 6, 2020.[/quote]

[B]Stocks rise on signs of consumer strength despite rising prices, Home Depot leads Dow higher[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[quote]U.S. stocks gained on Tuesday after a strong October retail sales report and better-than-expected third-quarter results from Home Depot and Walmart signaled the U.S. consumer is still ramping up spending even in the face of rising prices.[/quote]
Looks like newly employed and re-employed Americans with better and higher paying jobs are buying a shitload of things despite the temporary higher prices.

Because now they can.

Thanks, Brandon!

Regarding the big lie, that the election was stolen.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/11/16/chris-christie-trump-regret-dana-bash-vpx.cnn[/URL]

As far as the topic of the Jan 6 mostly peaceful protest at the capitol, here's a fine black gentleman who puts things into perspective. This guy is obviously a fine American. He should run for public office.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UuGkvk3jYnk?t=254[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2627086][B]Stocks rise on signs of consumer strength despite rising prices, Home Depot leads Dow higher[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Looks like newly employed and re-employed Americans with better and higher paying jobs are buying a shitload of things despite the temporary higher prices.

Because now they can.

Thanks, Brandon![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/congress-confirmation-house-senate/2021/11/16/id/1044972/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2627067]Loaded questions loaded with straw men, a favorite fallacious angle of Elvis. He'd quickly be laughed off a debate stage in a formal setting, but it's enough to draw some attention in a hooker forum.[/QUOTE]What is a straw man question? Asking if Republican votes should count? LOL. No, I really wanted to know, and the people who indicated they should not count are the 100% [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. The thing about Xpartan and you are much like it is rare to find a 4 leaf clover, you two break out of the 100% [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]world and actually do not support a one party dictatorship, and I really did not know what to say. Republican votes should count? Carter was not a great president? So in honor of Ivory Soap, I am going to call you two the 99.4% [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].

The problem with you is you assume there are two sides, and you are on the right one when you could not be more wrong. Matt Taibbi puts it better than I ever could:

Compared with how often you heard pundits rage about the "insurrection," how regularly did you hear that billionaire wealth has risen 70% or $2.1 trillion since the pandemic began? The economic news at the top hasn't just been good, it's been record-setting good, during a time of severe cultural crisis.

Twenty or thirty years ago, the Big Lie was usually a patriotic fairy tale designed to cast America in a glow of beneficence. Nurtured in think-tanks, stumped by politicians, and amplified by Hollywood producers and media talking heads, these whoppers were everywhere: America would have won in Vietnam if not for the media, poverty didn't exist (or at least, wasn't shown on television), only the Soviets cuddled with dictators or toppled legitimate governments, etc. The concept wasn't hard to understand: leaders were promoting unifying myths to keep the population satiated, dumb, and focused on their primary roles as workers and shoppers.

All sense of noblesse oblige is gone. The logic of our kleptocratic economy has gone beyond even the "Greed is Good" mantra of the fictional Gordon Gekko, who preached that pure self-interest would make America more efficient, better-run, less corrupt. Even on Wall Street, nobody believes that anymore. America is a sinking ship, and its CEO class is trying to salvage the wreck in advance, extracting every last dime before Battlefield Earth breaks out.

It's only in this context that these endless cycles of hyper-divisive propaganda make sense. It's time to start wondering if maybe it's not a coincidence that politicians and pundits alike are pushing us closer and closer to actual civil war at exactly the moment when corporate wealth extraction is reaching its highest-ever levels of efficiency. Keeping the volk at each other's throats instead of pitchforking the aristocrats is an old game, one that's now gone digital and works better than ever. That might be worth remembering after the coming verdict, and ahead of whatever other hyper-publicized panic comes down the pipeline next.

End of quote.

The difference between the Republican retard and Democratic douche is the retard does not show his stupidity publicly while you guys are open about it, fighting to be queen of the douches with your hyperpartisan nonsense. I am not trying to win an argument. I really just wish you all would shut up with all your hyperpartisan bullshit on a hooker board, but it is so inbred in you all that it is normal.

As an example, if you are a douche, this is the greatest speech ever: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNr8Pf1QkY[/URL].

To the rest of us, it is crude, unimaginative, and worst of all completely inappropriate given the setting but then what I can say? I am no douche.

And of course, Youtube has not taken it down.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2627076]Mainstream Media hope they can help enough Dems along with all those stable economic genius Repubs and Trumpsters forget all about those quite recent real world Trump-Repub economic decision results to get that Red Wave they so dearly desire.

Damn that Brandon for recovering us from the Great Trump-Repub Recession/Depression so well and creating better and higher paying USA jobs so historically fast that we have to pay more for chicken dinners for a while!

And, by god and our lord and savior Trump, it was cheaper to drive to the Trump-Repub breadlines back then!

[B]The Return of the Breadline.
In the 1930s, Americans lined up on sidewalks for food. Today, theyre lining up on the roads.[/B]
April 6, 2020
[URL]https://prospect.org/coronavirus/the-return-of-the-breadline/[/URL][/QUOTE]When the FBI wasn't an arm of silicon valley and the CCP.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/opinion/steele-dossier-fbi-trump.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2626721]To recap the real results in pictures as well as words...[/QUOTE]Nice to see even your reference to let's go Brandon. You just helped verify the slogan.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2627209]the Big Lie[/QUOTE]I see they are finally admitting the big lie was indeed a lie. The Washington Post issued a retraction.

[URL]https://youtu.be/dFVxN-GmaO8?t=173[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2627086][B]Stocks rise on signs of consumer strength despite rising prices, Home Depot leads Dow higher[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Looks like newly employed and re-employed Americans with better and higher paying jobs are buying a shitload of things despite the temporary higher prices.

Because now they can.

Thanks, Brandon![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/opinion/democrats-midterms-biden.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2627209]What is a straw man question? Asking if Republican votes should count? LOL. No, I really wanted to know, and the people who indicated they should not count are the 100%. The thing about Xpartan and you are much like it is rare to find a 4 leaf clover, you two break out of the 100% world and actually do not support a one party dictatorship, and I really did not know what to say. Republican votes should count? Carter was not a great president? So in honor of Ivory Soap, I am going to call you two the 99.4% .[/QUOTE]I really have no idea what you just said and this is a common trait with you. Anything that's as rare as finding a 4-leaf clover can't be 99.4%. If we "break out" so much we would be like 0. 06% or are you a little rusty with your calculus?

And what of your "ivory soap" metaphor? Did you mean ivory tower (which is also dumb, but at least decipherable)?

You should lay off the sauce until you learn how to make a coherent argument. Of course, since making a coherent argument is not your goal to begin with, you're exactly where you want to be.

[QUOTE]Of the many types of logical fallacies, the straw man fallacy is particularly common in political debates and in discussions over controversial topics. The basic structure of the argument consists of Person A making a claim, Person B creating a distorted version of the claim (the straw man), and then Person B attacking this distorted version in order to refute Person As original assertion.[/QUOTE]Hope it helps. Although I suspect, it doesn't.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2627209] SNIP

The difference between the Republican retard and Democratic douche is the retard does not show his stupidity publicly while you guys are open about it, fighting to be queen of the douches with your hyperpartisan nonsense. I am not trying to win an argument. I really just wish you all would shut up with all your hyperpartisan bullshit on a hooker board, but it is so inbred in you all that it is normal.

As an example, if you are a douche, this is the greatest speech ever: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNr8Pf1QkY[/URL].

To the rest of us, it is crude, unimaginative, and worst of all completely inappropriate given the setting but then what I can say? I am no douche.

And of course, Youtube has not taken it down.[/QUOTE]Of course Youtube hasn't taken down the DeNiro video. If you knew anything about the Constitution, what he said is protected by the 1st Amendment. Given, of course, that RethugliKKKan retards (your words) and the former guy would rather that the pesky Constitution didn't exist (except for the 2nd Amendment), that's not surprising.

BTW, the fact that you call Democrats douches is crude, unimaginative, and worst of all completely inappropriate. But since you're a douche, it is completely understandable.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2627209]What is a straw man question? Asking if Republican votes should count? LOL.
...
Carter was not a great president?
...[/QUOTE]Carter was merely a better than average Dem president but produced MILES better results on average annual USA Jobs Creation than any Repub president in history and, unlike most Repubs, did not skyrocket the debt and deficit while Crashing the economy into a typical Great Repub Recession/Depression. So, absolutely, compared with Repubs, Carter was a great president.

If he had been a Repub instead of a Dem he would be considered indisputably a "GREAT Repub President", maybe "The Greatest Repub President Ever!" But as a Dem he was mostly better than average.

Lol. I love pointing out Carter's far superior results vs every Repub in defiance of what typically pro Repub Mainstream Media has repeated in total contradiction of the actual data and record of results.

I mean, it's no fun pointing out how much better the FDR, JFK/LBJ, Clinton, Obama and now Biden results were than any Repub's results. By far. That's just too obvious and inarguable.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2627468][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/opinion/democrats-midterms-biden.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Mucho mas? Shouldn't there be at least "some" in the public school system before you demand "more"?

Rebubs don't need there to be "any" actual issue to really exist in order to rile up their sucker base to vote against it in terror. LOL. So there is no need to waste your wishes by wishing for something unnecessary.

Better for you to wish the next Repub president doesn't Crash the USA economy into another Great Repub Recession/Depression and isn't puzzled over whether or not to defund the CDC and pull out all of its Pandemic Prevention and Response monitors from those Chinese labs against all expert advice not to do something so dangerous and stupid, lie about the next potential virus Pandemic for personal image reasons and thereby mass murder 750,000+ Americans, wipe out tens of millions more USA jobs and destroy international travel for years afterwards.

I mean, as long as you're wishing for something impossible.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2627413]I see they are finally admitting the big lie was indeed a lie. The Washington Post issued a retraction.

[URL]https://youtu.be/dFVxN-GmaO8?t=173[/URL][/QUOTE]So that's the imbecile who suckers you into making grand pronouncements online about important issues that turn out to be something like 500% Incorrect?

Lol. Thanks for revealing the solution to that mystery.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2627405]Nice to see even your reference to let's go Brandon. You just helped verify the slogan.[/QUOTE]Sure, why not? What's in a name? It's the results that matter. If you think Biden should be called Brandon and encouraged to "Let's go!" and continue achieving more and better positive results than any Repub before him, no problem, I can humor you in that small way if it makes you happy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2627663]Sure, why not? What's in a name? It's the results that matter. If you think Biden should be called Brandon and encouraged to "Let's go!" and continue achieving more and better positive results than any Repub before him, no problem, I can humor you in that small way if it makes you happy.[/QUOTE]I agree with you in the Let's go Brandon. It is real positive that you and millions are saying F* Joe Biden. I think you are the only democrat joining the world critiquing Biden. People are chanting Let's go Brandon because of his performance and it is not positive.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2627656]Carter was merely a better than average Dem president but produced MILES better results on average annual USA Jobs Creation than any Repub president in history and, unlike most Repubs, did not skyrocket the debt and deficit while Crashing the economy into a typical Great Repub Recession/Depression. So, absolutely, compared with Repubs, Carter was a great president.

If he had been a Repub instead of a Dem he would be considered indisputably a "GREAT Repub President", maybe "The Greatest Repub President Ever!" But as a Dem he was mostly better than average.

Lol. I love pointing out Carter's far superior results vs every Repub in defiance of what typically pro Repub Mainstream Media has repeated in total contradiction of the actual data and record of results.

I mean, it's no fun pointing out how much better the FDR, JFK/LBJ, Clinton, Obama and now Biden results were than any Repub's results. By far. That's just too obvious and inarguable.[/QUOTE]Obviously you did not live in the USA in the Carter years. You probably aren't even an American citizen. Obama was bad but could never be considered the worst because Carter clearly has that title. Carter is the happiest past president alive today as he knows his reign of being the worst is over. Biden possibly was the worst Vice President ever but he was smart enough to choose Harris as his VP so there never again in history. Biden only savior will be if Harris could possibly be president in 2024 to take the title. Fortunately with Harris approval at about 25% that isn't going to happen. Let's go Brandon!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2627413]I see they are finally admitting the big lie was indeed a lie. The Washington Post issued a retraction.

[URL]https://youtu.be/dFVxN-GmaO8?t=173[/URL][/QUOTE]Washington Post today changed hundreds of false posts on the big lie today. Possibly they want to be known for being news rather than democrat propaganda lies. Wouldn't it be great if the rest of the liberal news outlets wanted to be honest?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2627784]I agree with you in the Let's go Brandon. It is real positive that you and millions are saying F* Joe Biden. I think you are the only democrat joining the world critiquing Biden. People are chanting Let's go Brandon because of his performance and it is not positive.[/QUOTE]I used to live in Brandon Florida. But the current use of Let's Go Brandon is way better than it ever has been. I like in this video around the 7:30 mark where the guy explains how to say Let's Go Brandon in Spanish. I think at the next football game, I will see if we can get our group to rotate the cheer between English and Spanish just to bring in a little more diversity. LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDflvSFtScc[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2627811]Obviously you did not live in the USA in the Carter years. You probably aren't even an American citizen. Obama was bad but could never be considered the worst because Carter clearly has that title. Carter is the happiest past president alive today as he knows his reign of being the worst is over. Biden possibly was the worst Vice President ever but he was smart enough to choose Harris as his VP so there never again in history. Biden only savior will be if Harris could possibly be president in 2024 to take the title. Fortunately with Harris approval at about 25% that isn't going to happen. Let's go Brandon![/QUOTE]Of course, I was a USA citizen and lived in the USA before, during and after the Carter years.

However, believe it or not one can research, review and know the actual history, data and record of results for places and times even if one was not physically there for the events.

Really. You should try it sometime.

In fact, it is easier to do that today than ever before.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/two-iranians-charged-by-feds-in-election-interference-to-aid-trump-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]A federal grand jury in New York has indicted two Iranian nationals on charges related to a cyber-based disinformation effort that to intimidate and influence American voters to benefit the presidential re-election campaign of Donald Trump last year.
You will vote for Trump on Election Day or we will come after you, said one threatening email sent to Democratic voters, according to prosecutors.
Seyyed Mohammad Hosein Musa Kazemi and another 27-year-old, Sajjad Kashian, are charged in a five-count indictment with conspiracy to commit fraud against US, computer fraud, voter intimidation, and transmission of interstate threats. [/QUOTE]LOL. My god. "Russia, if you're listening. " along with the unprecedented level of collusion between Team Trump and Russia. Then there was Trump's plea to Xi to, "Make sure I win!" along with Trump's utterly failed trade negotiations with China to sweeten the deal.

And now it turns out Iranians were intimidating and threatening Americans to vote for Trump!

Amazing that any real Americans would ever have supported that traitor Taliban Trump.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/two-iranians-charged-by-feds-in-election-interference-to-aid-trump-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]A federal grand jury in New York has indicted two Iranian nationals on charges related to a cyber-based disinformation effort that to intimidate and influence American voters to benefit the presidential re-election campaign of Donald Trump last year.
You will vote for Trump on Election Day or we will come after you, said one threatening email sent to Democratic voters, according to prosecutors.
Seyyed Mohammad Hosein Musa Kazemi and another 27-year-old, Sajjad Kashian, are charged in a five-count indictment with conspiracy to commit fraud against US, computer fraud, voter intimidation, and transmission of interstate threats.[/QUOTE]My god. First there was "Russia, if you're listening. " along with the unprecedented collusion between Team Trump and Russia.

Then there was Trump pleading Xi in vain to "Make sure I win!" along with Trump's utterly failed trade negotiations with China to sweeten the deal.

And now it turns out IRANIANS were intimidating and threatening Americans to vote for Trump!

Amazing that any real Americans would ever have supported that traitor Taliban Trump.

How screwed this wonderful world is when the most supercharged thread on this brilliant forum is the one on American politics. Can the pundits PLEASE join me in: USA is unique and indispensible. Core strength is her people, who outperform all others in the convolution of her size, her technology and her ability to cooperate. Nr 1 in hard and soft power in the world. Nr 1 alliance forger. Nr. 1 base builder. No natural, contiguous enemies other than sponge Bob's nemesis Plankton. Sex hell. Me too hell. Land of the female landwhale. I have a soft spot for Bill Clinton and John Kennedy, for they had charisma and plied their natural urges. George W is a good man, partying throroughbred in younger years. Barack lights up any arena, a triumph for America, and actually a good singer. Trump is yesteryear and creepy because he did it with horseface Stormy when he could have spent time with real beauties. Why? George 41 had some lurid affair when dinosaurs still roamed the planet, they say. Reagan is a saint, an American great. James Earl Carter led in a tough era, did better than what they made of him. Life in America in the late 70's was simply GREAT and for me sex was for free. Why Americans haggle so much over politics beats me. They tend to overproject in that one institution, the presidency. And Americans like theater. I kinda like all presidents for something that they have done.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2627908][URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/two-iranians-charged-by-feds-in-election-interference-to-aid-trump-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

My god. First there was "Russia, if you're listening. " along with the unprecedented collusion between Team Trump and Russia.

Then there was Trump pleading Xi in vain to "Make sure I win!" along with Trump's utterly failed trade negotiations with China to sweeten the deal.

And now it turns out IRANIANS were intimidating and threatening Americans to vote for Trump!

Amazing that any real Americans would ever have supported that traitor Taliban Trump.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/quinnipiac-approval-rating-democrat-low/2021/11/18/id/1045247/[/URL]

Lets go Brandon.

Allahu Akbar.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2627935][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/quinnipiac-approval-rating-democrat-low/2021/11/18/id/1045247/[/URL]

Lets go Brandon.

Allahu Akbar.[/QUOTE]Great post. Biden is in the tank and Russian collusion is proved to be a hoax. Most news outlets are quickly trying to retract their previous posts but there are some idiots still clinging on to the hoax.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2627935]Allahu Akbar.[/QUOTE]How timely and appropriate, coming from you.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2627917]How screwed this wonderful world is when the most supercharged thread on this brilliant forum is the one on American politics. Can the pundits PLEASE join me in: USA is unique and indispensible. Core strength is her people, who outperform all others in the convolution of her size, her technology and her ability to cooperate. Nr 1 in hard and soft power in the world. Nr 1 alliance forger. Nr. 1 base builder. No natural, contiguous enemies other than sponge Bob's nemesis Plankton. Sex hell. Me too hell. Land of the female landwhale. I have a soft spot for Bill Clinton and John Kennedy, for they had charisma and plied their natural urges. George W is a good man, partying throroughbred in younger years. Barack lights up any arena, a triumph for America, and actually a good singer. Trump is yesteryear and creepy because he did it with horseface Stormy when he could have spent time with real beauties. Why? George 41 had some lurid affair when dinosaurs still roamed the planet, they say. Reagan is a saint, an American great. James Earl Carter led in a tough era, did better than what they made of him. Life in America in the late 70's was simply GREAT and for me sex was for free. Why Americans haggle so much over politics beats me. They tend to overproject in that one institution, the presidency. And Americans like theater. I kinda like all presidents for something that they have done.[/QUOTE]That is a lovely sentiment. But recognize that there are 74,000,000 raving and virulently passionate voters (or maybe it was 37,000,000 Repubs who obediently followed Trump's voter fraud instructions to "Vote twice! Who desperately want a repeat Great Repub Crash and Depression / Recession ASAP, tens of millions more USA jobs wiped out and, more to the point for this site, an endless series of international travel restrictions and shutdowns stretching out until even the 20-something year olds researching on this site are well into their 90's as the result of the Repubs they elect ignoring and lying about the reality of any new potential Pandemic virus brought to their attention, how to prevent it from happening, how to intelligently respond to it, how to mitigate its most serious and deadly threats, etc.

Count on it.

That being the case, there is no more important mission for anyone interested in the purpose of this site than to light at least one candle of awareness here, there and everywhere about what those forces are up to in hopes that there will be fewer of their electoral choices in office over time rather than more of them. There is a very good reason this forum on this site is as supercharged as you say. Combating those forces wherever they rear their heads is a matter of survival for the whole purpose of this website.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2627935][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/quinnipiac-approval-rating-democrat-low/2021/11/18/id/1045247/[/URL]

Lets go Brandon.

Allahu Akbar.[/QUOTE]After every trumper, everywhere, posts that they don't believe in polls, you post a poll? Roflmao.

Here are the conclusions of the Repub-led bipartisan Senate Investigation into the matter just last year.

LOL. The Repubs who led this investigation might have been terrified to characterize the unprecedented number of furtive interactions and connections between Trump 2016 campaign associates and Russian operatives as "collusion."

But there it is.

They could call it "covfefe" as far as anyone is concerned. But it is crystal clear it was collusion. Not a crime. Never was. But it was most definitely collusion.

[B]Trump campaign’s Russia contacts ‘grave’ threat, Senate says[/B]

August 19, 2020.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-elections-politics-campaigns-5e833a62e9492f6a66624b7920cc846a[/URL]

[QUOTE] WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help.

The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and that other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.

The report is the culmination of a bipartisan probe that produced what the committee called “the most comprehensive description to date of Russia’s activities and the threat they posed.” The investigation spanned more than three years as the panel’s leaders said they wanted to thoroughly document the unprecedented attack on U.S. elections...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2628197]After every trumper, everywhere, posts that they don't believe in polls, you post a poll? Roflmao.[/QUOTE]At least the Sade told us where he is reading, something very few of the hooker forum right wingnuts ever do. Kudos to the Sade for that. Wink.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2628245]Here are the conclusions of the Repub-led bipartisan Senate Investigation into the matter just last year.

LOL. The Repubs who led this investigation might have been terrified to characterize the unprecedented number of furtive interactions and connections between Trump 2016 campaign associates and Russian operatives as "collusion."

But there it is.

They could call it "covfefe" as far as anyone is concerned. But it is crystal clear it was collusion. Not a crime. Never was. But it was most definitely collusion.

[B]Trump campaigns Russia contacts grave threat, Senate says[/B]

August 19, 2020.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-elections-politics-campaigns-5e833a62e9492f6a66624b7920cc846a[/URL][/QUOTE]Russian collusion: a Clinton hoax that the liberal media and slow minded democrats loved. After it is proved a hoax and a total fabricated lie most news outlets are retracting their biased columns trying to save face. But some people aren't smart enough to admit they were buffaloed by the biggest hoax ever. Now 74,000,000 voters weren't dumb enough to believe these lies but there sure were enough stupid voters that bought into it hook line and sinker. But the fact is they aren't even smart enough now to acknowledge it. Unfortunately there was Russian collusion from Clinton and the DNC and the Russians but the liberal media won't admit to it. They are just totally quite on Russian collusion now.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2628335]Russian collusion: a Clinton hoax that the liberal media and slow minded democrats loved. After it is proved a hoax and a total fabricated lie most news outlets are retracting their biased columns trying to save face. But some people aren't smart enough to admit they were buffaloed by the biggest hoax ever. Now 74,000,000 voters weren't dumb enough to believe these lies but there sure were enough stupid voters that bought into it hook line and sinker. But the fact is they aren't even smart enough now to acknowledge it. Unfortunately there was Russian collusion from Clinton and the DNC and the Russians but the liberal media won't admit to it. They are just totally quite on Russian collusion now.[/QUOTE]I don't think the overwhelming majority of American voters kicked Trump's lame ass out of office in a landslide because the Republican-led bipartisan Senate Investigation Committee had just published its irrefutable conclusions of unprecedented numbers of furtive, lied about meetings, contacts, interactions and connections between Team Trump 2016 and Russian Intelligence agents and operatives with full knowledge by Team Trump that it was all in service to putting Trump and not Clinton in the White House (in other words, "collusion."

It was because Trump had proven over 4 horrible years that he was too incompetent, too stupid, too corrupt, too lazy, too much of a liar, too much of a con man and too deep in the pocket of our adversaries and enemies to produce any result for America other than the skyrocketing deficits with zero to show for it, alienation of our allies when we needed them most, the dramatic increase in crime, the disastrous economic decisions, cowardice and lies that led directly to Crashing the USA economy, wiping out tens of millions of USA jobs, the mass murder of 750,000+ Americans and the near total destruction of international travel that he so efficiently delivered.

How he got put in the position to "accomplish" those results for America to the delight of America's enemies was, by November 2020, hardly worth anyone's attention.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2628335]Russian collusion: a Clinton hoax that the liberal media and slow minded democrats loved. After it is proved a hoax and a total fabricated lie most news outlets are retracting their biased columns trying to save face. But some people aren't smart enough to admit they were buffaloed by the biggest hoax ever. Now 74,000,000 voters weren't dumb enough to believe these lies but there sure were enough stupid voters that bought into it hook line and sinker. But the fact is they aren't even smart enough now to acknowledge it. Unfortunately there was Russian collusion from Clinton and the DNC and the Russians but the liberal media won't admit to it. They are just totally quite on Russian collusion now.[/QUOTE]The Mueller Report says differently. I'd quote from an article but the article contains numerous footnote references which I'd have to remove for posting. Therefore, I'll just post the link to the article: [URL]https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/[/URL].

Therefore, one can state with certainty that 74+ million trumpers were absolutely dumb enough to buy into the BS skin-baloney-and-all. And of course we don't hear about collusion any more. First because collusion isn't a legal term and Mueller didn't investigate it; second because the Mueller report said that the Mango Mussolini and his crew were guilty of obstruction of justice; and third because RethugliKKKan members of Congress have covered it all up.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2627917]How screwed this wonderful world is when the most supercharged thread on this brilliant forum is the one on American politics. [/QUOTE]One of the most prolific right-wingers on this thread is an obvious troll who has never posted a single word about mongering (hint: it's the one falsely portraying himself as an ex-democrat who suddenly saw the light). The other three or four do post elsewhere sometimes, but rarely so, obviously funneling their sexual energy into what really matters to them, "political debates," LOL. Surely, there is plenty of noise here, but all of it comes from a few usual suspects.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2628435]I don't think the overwhelming majority of American voters kicked Trump's lame ass out of office in a landslide because the Republican-led bipartisan Senate Investigation Committee had just published its irrefutable conclusions of unprecedented numbers of furtive, lied about meetings, contacts, interactions and connections between Team Trump 2016 and Russian Intelligence agents and operatives with full knowledge by Team Trump that it was all in service to putting Trump and not Clinton in the White House (in other words, "collusion."

It was because Trump had proven over 4 horrible years that he was too incompetent, too stupid, too corrupt, too lazy, too much of a liar, too much of a con man and too deep in the pocket of our adversaries and enemies to produce any result for America other than the skyrocketing deficits with zero to show for it, alienation of our allies when we needed them most, the dramatic increase in crime, the disastrous economic decisions, cowardice and lies that led directly to Crashing the USA economy, wiping out tens of millions of USA jobs, the mass murder of 750,000+ Americans and the near total destruction of international travel that he so efficiently delivered.

How he got put in the position to "accomplish" those results for America to the delight of America's enemies was, by November 2020, hardly worth anyone's attention.[/QUOTE]Look at this crackhead GO.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/20/world/hunter-biden-china-cobalt.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2628593]The Mueller Report says differently. I'd quote from an article but the article contains numerous footnote references which I'd have to remove for posting. Therefore, I'll just post the link to the article: [URL]https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/[/URL].

Therefore, one can state with certainty that 74+ million trumpers were absolutely dumb enough to buy into the BS skin-baloney-and-all. And of course we don't hear about collusion any more. First because collusion isn't a legal term and Mueller didn't investigate it; second because the Mueller report said that the Mango Mussolini and his crew were guilty of obstruction of justice; and third because RethugliKKKan members of Congress have covered it all up.[/QUOTE]The Mueller Report, The Republican-led Bipartisan Senate Investigation, Team Trump participants, spokesmen, witnesses, convicted felons, all agree there was an unprecedented and alarming number of furtive, repeatedly deflected from and lied about meetings, interactions, contacts and connections between Team Trump and Russian Intelligence Agents and Operatives with the universally known purpose to help Donald Trump win the 2016 presidential election and prevent Hillary Clinton from winning.

I suppose if it really makes the MAGA crowd happier and more comfortable about what they voted for and supported, the world can call it "an unprecedented and alarming number of furtive, repeatedly deflected from and lied about meetings, interactions, contacts and connections between Team Trump and Russian Intelligence Agents and Operatives with the universally known purpose to help Donald Trump win the 2016 presidential election and prevent Hillary Clinton from winning".

But it seems a lot easier, less clumsy and, frankly, less damning for them to simply refer to it as "collusion".

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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2628744]Look at this crackhead GO.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/20/world/hunter-biden-china-cobalt.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Read the article. Didn't find any hints of any possible criminality. Did you? Actually read the article, I mean?

Drumpf's thieving kiddies, on the other hand. Wow!

Here are all the deportable offenses Trump's crappy children have committed.

[URL]https://mashable.com/article/trump-kids-deportable-offenses[/URL]

How Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump, Jr. , Avoided a Criminal Indictment.

[URL]https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-ivanka-trump-and-donald-trump-jr-avoided-a-criminal-indictment[/URL]

Trump 'Crime Family. Belong in Prison,' Says 'The Art of the Deal' Ghostwriter.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/art-deal-ghost-writer-trump-crime-family-belongs-prison-1474074[/URL]

This Is Still Happening: Trump Children Ivanka, Don Jr. , and Eric.

[URL]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/this-is-still-happening-childrens-hour-edition.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2629178]Read the article. Didn't find any hints of any possible criminality. Did you? Actually read the article, I mean?

Drumpf's thieving kiddies, on the other hand. Wow!

Here are all the deportable offenses Trump's crappy children have committed.

[URL]https://mashable.com/article/trump-kids-deportable-offenses[/URL]

How Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump, Jr. , Avoided a Criminal Indictment.

[URL]https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-ivanka-trump-and-donald-trump-jr-avoided-a-criminal-indictment[/URL]

Trump 'Crime Family. Belong in Prison,' Says 'The Art of the Deal' Ghostwriter.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/art-deal-ghost-writer-trump-crime-family-belongs-prison-1474074[/URL]

This Is Still Happening: Trump Children Ivanka, Don Jr. , and Eric.

[URL]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/this-is-still-happening-childrens-hour-edition.html[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.dw.com/en/with-a-pen-stroke-president-joe-biden-cancels-keystone-xl-pipeline-project/a-56285371[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-received-35-million-payment-ex-moscow-mayors-wife-republican-report-says-1533834[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2629178]Read the article. Didn't find any hints of any possible criminality. Did you? Actually read the article, I mean?

Drumpf's thieving kiddies, on the other hand. Wow!

Here are all the deportable offenses Trump's crappy children have committed.

[URL]https://mashable.com/article/trump-kids-deportable-offenses[/URL]

How Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump, Jr. , Avoided a Criminal Indictment.

[URL]https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-ivanka-trump-and-donald-trump-jr-avoided-a-criminal-indictment[/URL]

Trump 'Crime Family. Belong in Prison,' Says 'The Art of the Deal' Ghostwriter.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/art-deal-ghost-writer-trump-crime-family-belongs-prison-1474074[/URL]

This Is Still Happening: Trump Children Ivanka, Don Jr. , and Eric.

[URL]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/this-is-still-happening-childrens-hour-edition.html[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/22/business/news-business-stock-market[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2629454][URL]https://www.dw.com/en/with-a-pen-stroke-president-joe-biden-cancels-keystone-xl-pipeline-project/a-56285371[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-received-35-million-payment-ex-moscow-mayors-wife-republican-report-says-1533834[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674[/URL][/QUOTE]The Biden offspring is supposed to have a law degree which makes him especially inexcusable. Whereas the Trumpets are just trying to keep up with their chabad weenie brother-in-law.

Actually, "a collection of incoherent conspiracy-mongering, riddled with factual inaccuracies, half-truths, deceptive imagery, and damning omissions" pretty much sums up the Repub Party that happily welcomed Trump as its leader and crowned him their lord and savior.

[B]2 Fox News Pundits Quit Over 'Truly Dangerous' Tucker Carlson Special[/B]

Nov. 22, 2021.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/2-fox-news-pundits-quit-082720423.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Two conservative commentators who have appeared on Fox News for more than a decade have resigned from the right-wing network over what they say is a dangerous Tucker Carlson special filled with lies about the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Jonah Goldberg and Stephen Hayes, two co-founders of the conservative website The Dispatch, wrote that Carlsons Patriot Purge special was a collection of incoherent conspiracy-mongering, riddled with factual inaccuracies, half-truths, deceptive imagery, and damning omissions.

They praised some of the reporters at Fox News, but said the voices of the responsible are being drowned out by the irresponsible.

The tension between doing that work well and remaining loyal to Fox has tested us many times over the past few years, Goldberg and Hayes wrote. But with the release of Patriot Purge, we felt we could no longer do right as we see it and remain at Fox News. So we resigned.

Hayes told the New York Times that Carlsons special is truly dangerous in a way that the usual hyperbole that you get on a lot of cable news isnt.

The two had been paid contributors to Fox News since 2009, according to the Times.

Carlsons special for Fox Nation claimed, among other things, that the insurrection may have been a false flag operation secretly orchestrated by the left, and that the left is somehow hunting conservatives and locking them up in Guantanamo-like conditions, complete with waterboarding..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2629454][URL]https://www.dw.com/en/with-a-pen-stroke-president-joe-biden-cancels-keystone-xl-pipeline-project/a-56285371[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-received-35-million-payment-ex-moscow-mayors-wife-republican-report-says-1533834[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674[/URL][/QUOTE]Even Trump's slavishly obedient supplicant Attorney General, Bill Barr, looked deeply into it and could not find one earthly reason to indict The Bidens, Obama, Hillary Clinton or any other Trump / Repub obsession for anything.

Man, that must be really, really frustrating for you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2629507]Actually, "a collection of incoherent conspiracy-mongering, riddled with factual inaccuracies, half-truths, deceptive imagery, and damning omissions" pretty much sums up the Repub Party that happily welcomed Trump as its leader and crowned him their lord and savior.

[B]2 Fox News Pundits Quit Over 'Truly Dangerous' Tucker Carlson Special[/B]

Nov. 22, 2021.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/2-fox-news-pundits-quit-082720423.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Info Wars goes mainstream.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2629463]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/22/business/news-business-stock-market[/QUOTE]I assume you had a point to make by posting this. Since part of the link said "stock market" maybe it was about that?

But tell me if the market is [B]up[/B] or [B]down[/B] since the Mango Mussolini left office? And didn't the head MAGAt say that the market would [B]crash[/B] if Biden was elected?

More BS from the wingnut crowd.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2629507]Actually, "a collection of incoherent conspiracy-mongering, riddled with factual inaccuracies, half-truths, deceptive imagery, and damning omissions" pretty much sums up the Repub Party that happily welcomed Trump as its leader and crowned him their lord and savior.

[B]2 Fox News Pundits Quit Over 'Truly Dangerous' Tucker Carlson Special[/B]

Nov. 22, 2021.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/2-fox-news-pundits-quit-082720423.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Seriously? Do you want to bemoan Goldberg quitting?

Do you remember that POS mother during the Bubba impeachment.

She made him famous, do you remember that, I do.

[URL]https://www.salon.com/2012/05/10/jonah_goldbergs_desperation/[/URL]

"Stone said after his subpoena is served, he'll make a determination on how to proceed after consulting with his attorney.

The committee said Stone was in d. c. On Jan. 5 & 6, spoke at a Jan. 5 rally and was scheduled to speak on Jan. 6. he also sought financial support to pay for his security through a Stop the Steal website, lawmakers said. Stone also made remarks he was planning to "lead a March to the Capitol" from the Ellipse rally, according to the panel.

Before the siege, Stone was a guest at the Willard Hotel, where several prominent Trump allies met in part to plot how to overturn President Biden's election, according to the panel. That hotel meeting and guests are major areas of interest for the committee; Stone joins other subpoenaed guests who were also at the hotel, including former Trump strategist Steve Bannon, attorney John Eastman, ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn and Bernard Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner who was later sent to prison and then pardoned by Donald Trump.

Jan. 6 panel issues new wave of subpoenas for ex-Trump officials.

Politics.

Jan. 6 panel issues new wave of subpoenas for ex-Trump officials.

The panel says its focus on Jones, the controversial Austin, Texas figure, is tied to his help organizing the rally at the Ellipse before the riot on Jan. 6. Jones claimed to facilitate a donation that covered significant funding for the event, and spoke at a Jan. 6 event at Freedom Plaza.

Jones claimed he was told by the Trump White House that he was to lead a March from the Jan. 6th Ellipse rally to the Capitol. Jones was also a key figure in the spread of false election fraud claims.

Monday evening, Jones issued a statement through his website claiming he was "trying to stop" the Capitol riot."

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1057038176/roger-stone-alex-jones-subpoenas-jan-6-panel-capitol[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2629602]I assume you had a point to make by posting this. Since part of the link said "stock market" maybe it was about that?

But tell me if the market is [B]up[/B] or [B]down[/B] since the Mango Mussolini left office? And didn't the head MAGAt say that the market would [B]crash[/B] if Biden was elected?

More BS from the wingnut crowd.[/QUOTE]Ain't it funny how ever-trumpers LOVE quoting reputable media when they believe it suits their propaganda quotas.

All of a sudden, they aren't fake news anymore.

Till the next time.

Donnie Dumbco got the RNC pick up his legal bills to the tune of $100,000+.

That's despite having grifted hundreds of millions of dollars from his half-witted supporters.

[B]The RNC paid more than $121,000 towards former President Donald Trump's personal legal bills as he faces a criminal investigation in New York.[/B]

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/rnc-paid-trumps-legal-bills-amid-new-york-criminal-investigation-2021-11[/URL]

That's a man who knows his priorities.

Which are no, not his country.

Not even his thieving family.

And not even Vladimir Putin, although Donnie's perplexing affection for the latest Tsar of Russia has been documented well beyond any reasonable doubt.

But no. It's this.

Money money money money.

Money money money money.

Get a little, get a little.

Money money money money.

Mark, a yen, a buck or a pound.

That clinking, clanking, clunking sound.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2629844]Seriously? Do you want to bemoan Goldberg quitting?

Do you remember that POS mother during the Bubba impeachment.

She made him famous, do you remember that, I do.

[URL]https://www.salon.com/2012/05/10/jonah_goldbergs_desperation/[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't bemoan anyone leaving FUX News Channel.

It only shows how much hatred for America those guys were witnessing on air and in the halls at FUX when it became too much even for those historically proven America-haters to stomach.

And FUX is the closest thing to a "legitimate" news source for conservatives. Oan, Newsmax and all those other conservative blogs and sources we see quotes and clips from here all the time are truly shitstorm clown shows.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2629849]"Stone said after his subpoena is served, he'll make a determination on how to proceed after consulting with his attorney.

The committee said Stone was in d. c. On Jan. 5 & 6, spoke at a Jan. 5 rally and was scheduled to speak on Jan. 6. he also sought financial support to pay for his security through a Stop the Steal website, lawmakers said. Stone also made remarks he was planning to "lead a March to the Capitol" from the Ellipse rally, according to the panel.

Before the siege, Stone was a guest at the Willard Hotel, where several prominent Trump allies met in part to plot how to overturn President Biden's election, according to the panel. That hotel meeting and guests are major areas of interest for the committee; Stone joins other subpoenaed guests who were also at the hotel, including former Trump strategist Steve Bannon, attorney John Eastman, ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn and Bernard Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner who was later sent to prison and then pardoned by Donald Trump.

Jan. 6 panel issues new wave of subpoenas for ex-Trump officials.

Politics.[/QUOTE]As there are no issues of any national significance to speak of, the nation's leadership is free to focus on the more pressing matters of partisan politics.

Meanwhile. Where's Hunter Biden's subpoena? Oh, wait, that doesn't come till 'The Big Guy' has been sent packing by his GOP successor.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2628786]The Mueller Report, The Republican-led Bipartisan Senate Investigation, Team Trump participants, spokesmen, witnesses, convicted felons, all agree there was an unprecedented and alarming number of furtive, repeatedly deflected from and lied about meetings, interactions, contacts and connections between Team Trump and Russian Intelligence Agents and Operatives with the universally known purpose to help Donald Trump win the 2016 presidential election and prevent Hillary Clinton from winning.

I suppose if it really makes the MAGA crowd happier and more comfortable about what they voted for and supported, the world can call it "an unprecedented and alarming number of furtive, repeatedly deflected from and lied about meetings, interactions, contacts and connections between Team Trump and Russian Intelligence Agents and Operatives with the universally known purpose to help Donald Trump win the 2016 presidential election and prevent Hillary Clinton from winning".

But it seems a lot easier, less clumsy and, frankly, less damning for them to simply refer to it as "collusion".[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/16/gay-pariahs-unvaccinated-pariahs-the-left-and-the-truth/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2628786]The Mueller Report, The Republican-led Bipartisan Senate Investigation, Team Trump participants, spokesmen, witnesses, convicted felons, all agree there was an unprecedented and alarming number of furtive, repeatedly deflected from and lied about meetings, interactions, contacts and connections between Team Trump and Russian Intelligence Agents and Operatives with the universally known purpose to help Donald Trump win the 2016 presidential election and prevent Hillary Clinton from winning.

I suppose if it really makes the MAGA crowd happier and more comfortable about what they voted for and supported, the world can call it "an unprecedented and alarming number of furtive, repeatedly deflected from and lied about meetings, interactions, contacts and connections between Team Trump and Russian Intelligence Agents and Operatives with the universally known purpose to help Donald Trump win the 2016 presidential election and prevent Hillary Clinton from winning".

But it seems a lot easier, less clumsy and, frankly, less damning for them to simply refer to it as "collusion".[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/23/heres-a-list-of-leftist-liars-whose-hands-are-stained-with-waukeshas-blood/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2630271][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/16/gay-pariahs-unvaccinated-pariahs-the-left-and-the-truth/[/URL][/QUOTE]How ill informed is this Dennis Prager loon?

HIV is not an airborne virus that can infect someone else as far as 6 feet away from an infected person who merely coughs as is the case with Trump's Pandemic virus.

That was where your "on point" link took me anyway.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2630322][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/23/heres-a-list-of-leftist-liars-whose-hands-are-stained-with-waukeshas-blood/[/URL][/QUOTE]You provided two links that had [B]absolutely nothing[/B] to do with the original post on which you commented.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2629973]I don't bemoan anyone leaving FUX News Channel.

It only shows how much hatred for America those guys were witnessing on air and in the halls at FUX when it became too much even for those historically proven America-haters to stomach.

And FUX is the closest thing to a "legitimate" news source for conservatives. Oan, Newsmax and all those other conservative blogs and sources we see quotes and clips from here all the time are truly shitstorm clown shows.[/QUOTE]Fox News is the only media showing the hate of the democrats. The fake media will not report on the democrat hatred and criminal activity. The anti Trump democrat who killed innocent people last week by running them over. The BLM and other democrat groups looting California stores daily. The increase in murders and crime in their states. Why is the media protecting these democrat criminals? And what are the democrat leaders in our country saying about this? They say don't call them looters because it is racist. They say let criminals loose after their crime with little or no bail so they can loot or kill again the same week. They say let's close all our prisons because they are racist. Democrats have to take full responsibility for the crime in our country today. Democrats have innocent peoples blood on their hands daily and the liberal media is ignoring it just like most of the posters on this site will. Democrats don't care if innocent people get murdered but are more interested on promoting racism when a black criminal is killed. To a democrat a black criminal life is more important than an 8 year old schoolboy watching a parade. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and MSNBC proved it this week and for the past 20 years.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2630541]Fox News is the only media showing the hate of the democrats. The fake media will not report on the democrat hatred and criminal activity. The anti Trump democrat who killed innocent people last week by running them over. The BLM and other democrat groups looting California stores daily. The increase in murders and crime in their states. Why is the media protecting these democrat criminals? And what are the democrat leaders in our country saying about this? They say don't call them looters because it is racist. They say let criminals loose after their crime with little or no bail so they can loot or kill again the same week. They say let's close all our prisons because they are racist. Democrats have to take full responsibility for the crime in our country today. Democrats have innocent peoples blood on their hands daily and the liberal media is ignoring it just like most of the posters on this site will. Democrats don't care if innocent people get murdered but are more interested on promoting racism when a black criminal is killed. To a democrat a black criminal life is more important than an 8 year old schoolboy watching a parade. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and MSNBC proved it this week and for the past 20 years.[/QUOTE]If only that guy had killed those people with an automatic rifle instead of a MAGA red SUV, the Repubs' NRA would pay any amount of money to hire the O. J. Simpson defense team Rittenhouse got to make sure he walks.

They would probably win an acquittal for him on the grounds that he felt upset and threatened by those people in Wisconsin and drove all the way to the parade route to take them out as a matter of self defense. Even if it was with a gun he could not legally buy, just like Kyle.

To a Repub, killing people with automatic rifles is patriotic.

Killing 750,000+ Americans through disastrous economic and national security decisions, incompetence, cowardice and lies is also an admirable patriotic move worthy of 4 More Years! According to 74,000,000 Repub voters. Or, rather, 37,000,000 Repubs who obeyed their mass murdering cult leader's instructions to Vote Twice last year. Whichever.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2630403]You provided two links that had [B]absolutely nothing[/B] to do with the original post on which you commented.[/QUOTE]Yes, his loony winger fake news sources keep sabotaging his effort to make everyone else look like they're off point by changing his links to fake news stories about HIV or the stock market. Fitting, I think.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2630719]If only that guy had killed those people with an automatic rifle instead of a MAGA red SUV, the Repubs' NRA would pay any amount of money to hire the O. J. Simpson defense team Rittenhouse got to make sure he walks.

They would probably win an acquittal for him on the grounds that he felt upset and threatened by those people in Wisconsin and drove all the way to the parade route to take them out as a matter of self defense. Even if it was with a gun he could not legally buy, just like Kyle.

To a Repub, killing people with automatic rifles is patriotic.

Killing 750,000+ Americans through disastrous economic and national security decisions, incompetence, cowardice and lies is also an admirable patriotic move worthy of 4 More Years! According to 74,000,000 Repub voters. Or, rather, 37,000,000 Repubs who obeyed their mass murdering cult leader's instructions to Vote Twice last year. Whichever.[/QUOTE]Your reply condoning a killer is sick! And by the way Biden has not yet killed 750,000 Americans with his disastrous economic and national security decisions. It may be getting close but stick to the facts.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2630727]Yes, his loony winger fake news sources keep sabotaging his effort to make everyone else look like they're off point by changing his links to fake news stories about HIV or the stock market. Fitting, I think.[/QUOTE]Call my news links loony.

Coming from the guy that won't take his meds, you're in no position to call anything loony!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2630975]Your reply condoning a killer is sick! And by the way Biden has not yet killed 750,000 Americans with his disastrous economic and national security decisions. It may be getting close but stick to the facts.[/QUOTE]Mass murderer Trump and his fellow Repubs are the ones condoning a killer, boasting about having Proud Boy Rittenhouse as his guest and all those offers from deadbeat Congressional Repubs to join them in Doing Nothing for their tax funded paychecks.

If the MAGA red SUV guy had only used an automatic rifle instead of an SUV and killed many more Americans with it, he would be partying in Mar-a-Lago with Donnie and Melania today.

BTW, nobody other than the Repub him / herself "kills"" a Suicide By Trump's Pandemic virus volunteer. Biden and the Dems have certainly done everything humanly possible to prevent all those Repubs in red states from refusing to get vaccinated and therefore dying at 5 times or more the rate of vaccinated Dems from Trump's Pandemic virus and permanently removing themselves from the voter rolls.

But nobody can stop anyone from killing themselves if they are really determined to do it.

Look at it this way, if Repubs are determined to vote FOR Great Repub Economic Crashes and Destroying Millions upon Millions of USA Jobs over and over and over again for a century or more no matter how many times they're shown that is the only thing Repubs do for a living, it's not likely they're going to be talked out of Mass Red Covid Suicide if that's what their Repub cult leaders want them to do.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2631073]Mass murderer Trump and his fellow Repubs are the ones condoning a killer, boasting about having Proud Boy Rittenhouse as his guest and all those offers from deadbeat Congressional Repubs to join them in Doing Nothing for their tax funded paychecks.

If the MAGA red SUV guy had only used an automatic rifle instead of an SUV and killed many more Americans with it, he would be partying in Mar-a-Lago with Donnie and Melania today.

BTW, nobody other than the Repub him / herself "kills"" a Suicide By Trump's Pandemic virus volunteer. Biden and the Dems have certainly done everything humanly possible to prevent all those Repubs in red states from refusing to get vaccinated and therefore dying at 5 times or more the rate of vaccinated Dems from Trump's Pandemic virus and permanently removing themselves from the voter rolls.[/QUOTE]When is George Soros going to increase funding-financing red state Meet & Greets for the unvaccinated?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2631073]Mass murderer Trump and his fellow Repubs are the ones condoning a killer, boasting about having Proud Boy Rittenhouse as his guest and all those offers from deadbeat Congressional Repubs to join them in Doing Nothing for their tax funded paychecks.

If the MAGA red SUV guy had only used an automatic rifle instead of an SUV and killed many more Americans with it, he would be partying in Mar-a-Lago with Donnie and Melania today.

BTW, nobody other than the Repub him / herself "kills"" a Suicide By Trump's Pandemic virus volunteer. Biden and the Dems have certainly done everything humanly possible to prevent all those Repubs in red states from refusing to get vaccinated and therefore dying at 5 times or more the rate of vaccinated Dems from Trump's Pandemic virus and permanently removing themselves from the voter rolls.

But nobody can stop anyone from killing themselves if they are really determined to do it.

Look at it this way, if Repubs are determined to vote FOR Great Repub Economic Crashes and Destroying Millions upon Millions of USA Jobs over and over and over again for a century or more no matter how many times they're shown that is the only thing Repubs do for a living, it's not likely they're going to be talked out of Mass Red Covid Suicide if that's what their Repub cult leaders want them to do.[/QUOTE]There is a big difference between a democrat who drives into a parade crowd and kills innocent children and a Republican who is guarding a property from BLM violent protesters who are armed and pointed a gun at his face. The fact that you even try to compare the two shows that you are a very sick individual. You definitely need medication and treatment for your hostility.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2631330]There is a big difference between a democrat who drives into a parade crowd and kills innocent children and a Republican who is guarding a property from BLM violent protesters who are armed and pointed a gun at his face. The fact that you even try to compare the two shows that you are a very sick individual. You definitely need medication and treatment for your hostility.[/QUOTE]I heard the MAGA red SUV guy was convinced by somebody on FUX News Channel that the parade was a False Flag operation, in reality Nazis on their way to storm the state capitol and overthrow American democracy. So it might not have been how it looked to you in all those videos.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2631305]When is George Soros going to increase funding-financing red state Meet & Greets for the unvaccinated?[/QUOTE]Perpetuating a mass genocide on blue cities.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-patrick-sharkey.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/26/nyregion/nypd-murder-clearance-rate.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=New%20York[/URL]

[URL]https://anncoulter.com/2021/10/13/kill-back-betterx/[/URL]

His coup de grace before he leaves the planet.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2631330]There is a big difference between a democrat who drives into a parade crowd and kills innocent children and a Republican who is guarding a property from BLM violent protesters who are armed and pointed a gun at his face. The fact that you even try to compare the two shows that you are a very sick individual. You definitely need medication and treatment for your hostility.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you've dropped that "disillusioned ex-Democrat" shtick. It was bound to become quite tiring after a while.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2631425]I'm glad you've dropped that "disillusioned ex-Democrat" shtick. It was bound to become quite tiring after a while.[/QUOTE]I am officially a former democrat and now independent. California democrats have devastated the state. Crime and looting is at an all time high with no end in site. Taxes are one of the highest on the nation. Gas prices are higher than any other state. The democrats are an embarrassment to the working people who voted for them. Now with Biden in the presidency which I admit that I was dumb enough to vote for him the country is in devastation. Our governor, Biden and the democrat state government are to blame. I can no longer vote for a democrat. Democrats are officially the racist party and party of hate.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2631713]I am officially a former democrat and now independent. California democrats have devastated the state. Crime and looting is at an all time high with no end in site.[/QUOTE]Really?

I'm seeing California on the 17th place in violent crimes.

After Texas, after Alabama, after Oklahoma, waaaaaaaaaaaaay after Louisiana and Alaska and most other red states in the Union.

You wouldn't be knowingly misleading people here, would you?

I mean, being a "former Democrat" and such?

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2631780]Really?

I'm seeing California on the 17th place in violent crimes.

After Texas, after Alabama, after Oklahoma, waaaaaaaaaaaaay after Louisiana and Alaska and most other red states in the Union.

You wouldn't be knowingly misleading people here, would you?

I mean, being a "former Democrat" and such?

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/[/URL][/QUOTE]I live in California. Every day on our news we have looters robbing stores. 10 to 90 black looters hitting California stores every day. San Francisco and LA the worst. Walgreens has closed several stores in San Fran because they are getting robbed daily. Stores have limited hours because they are getting robbed every night. It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store and no police will come so 20 people steal $900 each. Maybe CNN does not report this but it is on our local news daily. Murders are up 30% to 100% in our major cities in 2021. Our government both local and federal with defunding the police has made California and the USA less safe. Especially in democrat run states. The newly elected black mayor of New York City has promised to increase the police force and to start decreasing crime and locking criminals up. BLM leader has promised bloodshed and destruction if he gets tough on crime. Democrats will keep pulling up distorted statistics and say there is no crime problem. I live here. I see it every day. Obviously you do not live in a democrat state or even in the USA or you would be a lot smarter.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2631780]Really?

I'm seeing California on the 17th place in violent crimes.

After Texas, after Alabama, after Oklahoma, waaaaaaaaaaaaay after Louisiana and Alaska and most other red states in the Union.

You wouldn't be knowingly misleading people here, would you?

I mean, being a "former Democrat" and such?

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, longtime hardline Repubs have been licking their chops anxious to get at and lock in California's 55 Electoral College awards since forever. They've tried everything; splitting the state in half, false claims about truck loads of Mexicans brought in to vote, lies about the crime rates, lies about nobody wanting to live there anymore, lies, lies, lies.

California is the biggest EC Prize.

The "I was a Democrat but Democrats destroyed California!" is on old chestnut favorite. Meanwhile, my property values and rental property rates there continue to skyrocket. Remember Yogi Berra's lament about a previously frequented restaurant?

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!

LOL. That's the crap they're trying to convince everyone about California.

See, if longtime hardline Repubs can lock in those 55 California Electoral College awards, they won't have to work so hard to cheat everywhere else in order to "win"" elections despite their Party's consistently atrocious governance results vs that of Dems like Biden, Newsom et al.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2631398]Perpetuating a mass genocide on blue cities.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-patrick-sharkey.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/26/nyregion/nypd-murder-clearance-rate.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=New%20York[/URL]

[URL]https://anncoulter.com/2021/10/13/kill-back-betterx/[/URL]

His coup de grace before he leaves the planet.[/QUOTE]Maybe that's why he's so pro abortion and pro defund the policia?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2631996]Yeah, longtime hardline Repubs have been licking their chops anxious to get at and lock in California's 55 Electoral College awards since forever. They've tried everything; splitting the state in half, false claims about truck loads of Mexicans brought in to vote, lies about the crime rates, lies about nobody wanting to live there anymore, lies, lies, lies.

California is the biggest EC Prize.

The "I was a Democrat but Democrats destroyed California!" is on old chestnut favorite. Meanwhile, my property values and rental property rates there continue to skyrocket. Remember Yogi Berra's lament about a previously frequented restaurant?

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!

LOL. That's the crap they're trying to convince everyone about California.

See, if longtime hardline Repubs can lock in those 55 California Electoral College awards, they won't have to work so hard to cheat everywhere else in order to "win"" elections despite their Party's consistently atrocious governance results vs that of Dems like Biden, Newsom et al.[/QUOTE]Obviously you don't live in California. California crime is totally out of control. The smart people that can afford to leave the do so.

The democrat party caters to the people that vote for them. Criminals and illegals make up a big amount of them. For people that own a house property has increased but taxes in the state have gone up. If you are a renter then you are paying higher rent than most other states. Over 50% of people do not own property and pay high rent and high taxes along with the highest gas prices in the USA. The democrats have lied for decades to get control in CA. They will promise the world to their voters who are welfare cases, homeless, criminals and illegals. If that isn't enough they control the voting booths so they easily can cheat. That is why California is screwed. You don't live here. You don't pay taxes here. You don't buy gas and groceries here. You know nothing!!

[URL]https://odysee.com/@Plazma:9/BroughtToYoubyPfizer:1[/URL]

Be be thankful you live in a land where you are informed by an impartial media that has your best interests in mind.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632116]Obviously you don't live in California. California crime is totally out of control. The smart people that can afford to leave the do so.

The democrat party caters to the people that vote for them. Criminals and illegals make up a big amount of them. For people that own a house property has increased but taxes in the state have gone up. If you are a renter then you are paying higher rent than most other states. Over 50% of people do not own property and pay high rent and high taxes along with the highest gas prices in the USA. The democrats have lied for decades to get control in CA. They will promise the world to their voters who are welfare cases, homeless, criminals and illegals. If that isn't enough they control the voting booths so they easily can cheat. That is why California is screwed. You don't live here. You don't pay taxes here. You don't buy gas and groceries here. You know nothing!![/QUOTE]Yep, that's the favorite old Repub anti-California chestnut!

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!

LOL.

I lived in California for decades until about 8 years ago. I still have dozens of happy and satisfied friends living in the LOS Angeles area, watching their property values increase significantly annually, their salaries increase, their retirement investments improve substantially, their kids grow and thrive in good schools, active year round in great weather.

Neither I nor any of them ever considered moving out of California because of the junk and problems you apparently found to wallow in and harp on for a single moment. The shittiest times I ever had anywhere in the USA were when Repubs were in the White House having it their way, which meant a Great Repub Crash, Recession and Millions of Jobs wiped out all across the country.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632185]Yep, that's the favorite old Repub anti-California chestnut!

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!

LOL.

I lived in California for decades until about 8 years ago. I still have dozens of happy and satisfied friends living in the LOS Angeles area, watching their property values increase significantly annually, their salaries increase, their retirement investments improve substantially, their kids grow and thrive in good schools, active year round in great weather.

when the Neither I nor any of them ever considered moving out of California because of the junk and problems you apparently found to wallow in and harp on for a single moment. The shittiest times I ever had anywhere in the USA were when Repubs were in the White House having it their way, which meant a Great Repub Crash, Recession and Millions of Jobs wiped out all across the country.[/QUOTE]I have lived in California all my life (more than 60 years).

As a homeowner for over 35 years I have greatly enjoyed the boom times when the democrats ran things in Washington.

As well as suffering through the downturns that gloomy republican administrations in the bad times delivered.

Since Joe Biden took office my home value has soared this year.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632185]Yep, that's the favorite old Repub anti-California chestnut!

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!

LOL.

I lived in California for decades until about 8 years ago. I still have dozens of happy and satisfied friends living in the LOS Angeles area, watching their property values increase significantly annually, their salaries increase, their retirement investments improve substantially, their kids grow and thrive in good schools, active year round in great weather.

Neither I nor any of them ever considered moving out of California because of the junk and problems you apparently found to wallow in and harp on for a single moment. The shittiest times I ever had anywhere in the USA were when Repubs were in the White House having it their way, which meant a Great Repub Crash, Recession and Millions of Jobs wiped out all across the country.[/QUOTE]It was different 8 years ago. 8 years ago democrats were not defunding the police. 8 years ago VP Harris was prosecuting criminals not bailing them out of jail. 8 years ago the democrat party on California were democrats not socialists. 8 years ago schools weren't teaching critical race theory. By the way what were the Republican policies that caused the Great Republican crash that you keep talking about that wiped out millions of jobs. I can't seem to find that in past history. What year was that?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2631839]I live in California. Every day on our news we have looters robbing stores. 10 to 90 black looters hitting California stores every day. San Francisco and LA the worst. Walgreens has closed several stores in San Fran because they are getting robbed daily. Stores have limited hours because they are getting robbed every night. It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store and no police will come so 20 people steal $900 each. Maybe CNN does not report this but it is on our local news daily. Murders are up 30% to 100% in our major cities in 2021. Our government both local and federal with defunding the police has made California and the USA less safe. Especially in democrat run states. The newly elected black mayor of New York City has promised to increase the police force and to start decreasing crime and locking criminals up. BLM leader has promised bloodshed and destruction if he gets tough on crime. Democrats will keep pulling up distorted statistics and say there is no crime problem. I live here. I see it every day. Obviously you do not live in a democrat state or even in the USA or you would be a lot smarter.[/QUOTE]You keep lying.

You have brought up the following falsehood several times "It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store". This is pure, unadulterated BS. Try reading the following because there aren't many bigly words in it so you should be able to understand. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2632376]You keep lying.

You have brought up the following falsehood several times "It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store". This is pure, unadulterated BS. Try reading the following because there aren't many bigly words in it so you should be able to understand. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL].[/QUOTE]It is a crime but the police don't handle any crime in CA under $1000 and they are not arrested or charged with a crime. If it is over $1000 and they are charged they are released immediately under CA bail laws. So in fact it is a crime that goes unpunished therefore continuing daily. Try telling the stores that are getting robbed daily that people are being arrested and are in jail. Camera footage shows same groups robbing same stores daily. I am sure you support this.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632368]It was different 8 years ago. 8 years ago democrats were not defunding the police. 8 years ago VP Harris was prosecuting criminals not bailing them out of jail. 8 years ago the democrat party on California were democrats not socialists. 8 years ago schools weren't teaching critical race theory. By the way what were the Republican policies that caused the Great Republican crash that you keep talking about that wiped out millions of jobs. I can't seem to find that in past history. What year was that?[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] There was no difference between now and 8 years ago other than the massive destruction of most things Trump touched.

You think it is just a wild coincidence that every major economic downturn of the past 100 years began on a Repub so-called potus' watch? It is different policies all the time. In Trump's case it was defunding the CDC and pulling out every one of their Pandemic Prevention and Response Teams from those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice not to do something so dangerous, foolish and unnecessary. Then when the experts' warnings did indeed come to fruition in late 2019/ early 2020, he lied to the world about his colossal blunder result being a "Democrat Party HOAX! We've got this under control! There will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020). " Then he spent a year telling the world "It will go away without a vaccine!

Result? The huge economic Crash, massive USA job losses by the millions and, yep, the inevitable inflation due to his cowardice and lies destroying supply chains all around the world for years afterwards.

For Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon / Ford, Reagan, Bush1 and Bush2, their huge or multiple Recessions were due to other new and unprecedented methods. But more often than not, as it was with Trump's Economic Disaster, it came down to them either doing nothing when the time and the Dems were begging them to do this or that or finally doing the exact wrong thing in response to a normal otherwise manageable economic cycle: as in being consistently mistaken that cutting taxes disproportionately for top income margins at the expense of all the other margins will create some magical Supply-Side / Trickle-Down economic expansion and jobs creation that NEVER has happened in the history of America and instead does exactly what any intelligent person would predict; it makes the super wealthy even wealthier and everyone else poorer.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2632376]You keep lying.

You have brought up the following falsehood several times "It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store". This is pure, unadulterated BS. Try reading the following because there aren't many bigly words in it so you should be able to understand. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL].[/QUOTE]He also continues to refer to organized retail theft, as in the smash-and-grab robberies taking place in big cities around the country, as "looting" in California. They are not "looting" in the legal sense in California:

[URL]https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/463/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Penal Code 463 PC - California's "looting" laws. In Penal Code 463 PC, California law defines the crime of looting as taking advantage of a state of emergency to commit burglary, grand theft or petty theft. Looting can be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony and is punishable by up to 3 years in jail.[/QUOTE]Those smash-and-grab robberies have nothing to do with a state of emergency. They are organized retail theft crimes taking place in broad daylight in many cases and having nothing to do with otherwise ordinary law-abiding citizens seizing upon the opportunity to steal goods during a state of emergency.

And, BTW, Tough On Crime Democratic California Governor Gavin Newsom passed a law allowing prosecutors to charge it as a felony regardless of the dollar amount, as is also stated in your link:

[QUOTE]Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a law Wednesday aimed at curbing organized retail theft, according to Associated Press reporting. The law allows prosecutors to seek to charge the offense as either a misdemeanor or a felony.[/QUOTE]

Here he at length speaks out against popular Republican lies and conspiracy theories.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/axe-files?episodeguid=8892587d-462e-4341-936b-ade70152540b[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632429]It is a crime but the police don't handle any crime in CA under $1000 and they are not arrested or charged with a crime. If it is over $1000 and they are charged they are released immediately under CA bail laws.[/QUOTE]Well, time to stand corrected again. Because your revised claim is still a chicanery.

Proposition 47 did not end prosecution of thefts under $950 in California.

[QUOTE]CLAIM: Under Proposition 47 in California thefts under $950 will not be prosecuted.

AP ASSESSMENT: False. Proposition 47 was passed in California in 2014 and reclassified felony theft offenses as misdemeanors. It did not allow shoplifting and petty theft to go unprosecuted.

THE FACTS: The false claim about the proposition circulated on social media with a video showing two individuals walking out of a T.J. Maxx in Granada Hills, California, with duffle bags filled with merchandise and their arms filled with clothing on hangers. No one attempted to stop the pair as they walked out of the store and through the parking lot.

The scene was captured on video by another person in the store and circulated widely on news media.

Adam Carolla, a comedian who hosts a podcast, posted the video to Facebook along with a false comment about Proposition 47.

Thanks to Prop 47 thefts under $950 will not be prosecuted, Carolla commented on the post. So cops will not bother showing up. Just a reminder that you get what you voted for, California!

But the post is incorrect. The 2014 proposition modified, but did not eliminate, sentencing for many nonviolent property and drug crimes.

According to Alex Bastian, special advisor to Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascn who co-authored Prop 47, most shoplifting was already prosecuted as a misdemeanor anyway.

What Prop 47 did is increase the dollar amount by which theft can be prosecuted as a felony from $400 to $950 to adjust for inflation and cost of living, Bastian said. But most shoplifting cases are under $400 dollars to begin with, so before Prop 47 and after Prop 47, there isnt any difference.

Proposition 47 was enacted to comply with a 2011 California Supreme Court order, which upheld that Californias overcrowded prisons violated incarcerated individuals Eighth Amendment rights against cruel and unusual punishment.

In 2011, our prisons were bursting at the seams, and California was ranked either first or second behind Texas as having the highest per capita incarceration rate of any state in the country, Kubrin said. It was so bad that the Supreme Court stepped in and told us we needed to reduce our prison population by 33,000 individuals.

So the goal of Prop 47 was to limit our prison population, to reduce the number of people that we send to state prisons, said Kubrin. Prop 47 has achieved that goal while not causing crime rates to go up.[/QUOTE]So are you lying are ill-informed? Because it's either one or another, no third choice here.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632429]It is a crime but the police don't handle any crime in CA under $1000 and they are not arrested or charged with a crime. If it is over $1000 and they are charged they are released immediately under CA bail laws. So in fact it is a crime that goes unpunished therefore continuing daily. Try telling the stores that are getting robbed daily that people are being arrested and are in jail. Camera footage shows same groups robbing same stores daily. I am sure you support this.[/QUOTE]So what you're saying is that you would prefer that California Law Enforcement agencies aggressively pursue sub-$950 shoplifting crimes while letting murder, rape, sexual abuse, bank robbery and other major crimes go unpunished. Because that's what you'll get. All Law Enforcement agencies have always had a limited amount of manpower to pursue crime. You would rather that they pursue minor crimes while letting dangerous crimes go unpunished.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632469]He also continues to refer to organized retail theft, as in the smash-and-grab robberies taking place in big cities around the country, as "looting" in California. They are not "looting" in the legal sense in California:

[URL]https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/463/[/URL]

Those smash-and-grab robberies have nothing to do with a state of emergency. They are organized retail theft crimes taking place in broad daylight in many cases and having nothing to do with otherwise ordinary law-abiding citizens seizing upon the opportunity to steal goods during a state of emergency.

And, BTW, Tough On Crime Democratic California Governor Gavin Newsom passed a law allowing prosecutors to charge it as a felony regardless of the dollar amount, as is also stated in your link:[/QUOTE]Ha, Ha, Ha. That is funny! Tough on crime Gov Newsome. That is the best joke I have heard in a long time. If he wants a so tough on crime how come this is happening every day? Walgreens is losing stores because Newsome is tough on crime. This is a joke but the looting is a serious problem. You can't spin it different.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632368]It was different 8 years ago. 8 years ago democrats were not defunding the police. 8 years ago VP Harris was prosecuting criminals not bailing them out of jail. 8 years ago the democrat party on California were democrats not socialists. 8 years ago schools weren't teaching critical race theory. By the way what were the Republican policies that caused the Great Republican crash that you keep talking about that wiped out millions of jobs. I can't seem to find that in past history. What year was that?[/QUOTE]During the campaign!

When the GOP takes back the house and Senate next year they should impeach her for that.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2632599]So what you're saying is that you would prefer that California Law Enforcement agencies aggressively pursue sub-$950 shoplifting crimes while letting murder, rape, sexual abuse, bank robbery and other major crimes go unpunished. Because that's what you'll get. All Law Enforcement agencies have always had a limited amount of manpower to pursue crime. You would rather that they pursue minor crimes while letting dangerous crimes go unpunished.[/QUOTE]No I am saying California laws and policies make law enforcement almost impossible. Democrat policies are also letting murders and rapists get out of jail sooner. With the defunding of police forces and liberal prosecutors letting criminals walk every day the police have no chance of handling the crime. Some criminals are arrested 2 or 3 times a week and released. Every day in California it is getting worse. It is worse this year than last and 2022 will be even worse. It is becoming dangerous to shop in places like Home Depot and shopping malls. I realize you don't care if it is less safe for our kids but I do.

When Biden was campaigning he said Trump did not have a clue on how to handle Covid and he had a plan to end Covid. After millions more have been vaccinated in 2021 and Biden doing nothing no one can figure out what is plan is. The death numbers came out this week and already more people in USA have died in 11 months from Covid than the total for all of 2020. Why are Biden death numbers higher than Trump death numbers?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632777]When Biden was campaigning he said Trump did not have a clue on how to handle Covid and he had a plan to end Covid. After millions more have been vaccinated in 2021 and Biden doing nothing no one can figure out what is plan is. The death numbers came out this week and already more people in USA have died in 11 months from Covid than the total for all of 2020. Why are Biden death numbers higher than Trump death numbers?[/QUOTE]Yeah, but the vast majority of USA Covid deaths now are Repubs who bought the con Trump was selling all through 2020 that it was a "Democrat Party HOAX!" and "This will go away without a vaccine!" For everyone else Biden's efforts to save millions of American lives have been a resounding success.

If Repubs are so intent upon committing Suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus and permanently remove themselves from the voter rolls by refusing to get vaxxed, there is nothing Biden can do to stop them. Unless you are suggesting Biden sign an Executive Order requiring every American to get fully vaccinated or be incarcerated.

Is that what you want Biden to do?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632620]Ha, Ha, Ha. That is funny! Tough on crime Gov Newsome. That is the best joke I have heard in a long time. If he wants a so tough on crime how come this is happening every day? Walgreens is losing stores because Newsome is tough on crime. This is a joke but the looting is a serious problem. You can't spin it different.[/QUOTE]Yes, Tough On Crime Newsom passed a law that prosecutors can charge every member of an organized smash-and-grab robbery, which is not the crime of "looting" BTW, with a felony even if all they got away with was a candy bar. That is known as deterring a crime from being committed in the first place.

As far as stopping smash-and-grab robberies in process, which are not only happening in California, is your brilliant idea to accomplish that to line the streets with SWAT Teams blocking windows and doors of every retail store 24/7 on the chance that any one of those stores could be targeted by the sudden arrival of such a team in a car or truck at any moment?

Do you have any idea how much funding and manpower that would require in California and around the country, not to mention the decline in the high quality of life so many Californians enjoy?

California catches, prosecutes and incarcerates plenty. How do you think their prisons got so full?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632953]Yeah, but the vast majority of USA Covid deaths now are Repubs who bought the con Trump was selling all through 2020 that it was a "Democrat Party HOAX!" and "This will go away without a vaccine!" For everyone else Biden's efforts to save millions of American lives have been a resounding success.

If Repubs are so intent upon committing Suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus and permanently remove themselves from the voter rolls by refusing to get vaxxed, there is nothing Biden can do to stop them. Unless you are suggesting Biden sign an Executive Order requiring every American to get fully vaccinated or be incarcerated.

Is that what you want Biden to do?[/QUOTE]Biden said that any president that had that many deaths from a virus should resign. Trump had no vaccine until December 2020. No one was vaccinate under Trump presidency and less people died than under Biden. Kind of defeats your theory doesn't it? Biden has had three vaccines for 11 months and has more people die than died under Trump. By his own admission shouldn't he resign?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633324]Biden said that any president that had that many deaths from a virus should resign. Trump had no vaccine until December 2020. No one was vaccinate under Trump presidency and less people died than under Biden. Kind of defeats your theory doesn't it? Biden has had three vaccines for 11 months and has more people die than died under Trump. By his own admission shouldn't he resign?[/QUOTE]Interesting. So degenerate crackpots who're dying in mass (8-10 times more than the vaccinated), who are kicking, screaming, fighting against free, easy and life-saving vaccines are somehow Biden's fault?

Is Delta variant, which is more than 2 X contagious than the original Trump virus, Biden's fault too?

Swell!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633324]Biden said that any president that had that many deaths from a virus should resign. Trump had no vaccine until December 2020. No one was vaccinate under Trump presidency and less people died than under Biden. Kind of defeats your theory doesn't it? Biden has had three vaccines for 11 months and has more people die than died under Trump. By his own admission shouldn't he resign?[/QUOTE]Both presidents presided over about 10 months of the pandemic. The World Health Organization declared that label on March 11, meaning Trump was president for a little more than 10 months of the formally declared pandemic. Biden has now passed a little more than 10 months in office as well.

Thus far, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Biden has presided over about 353,000 deaths in a little over 10 months, compared to about 425,000 for Trump in his final 10-plus months. So there have still been fewer deaths under Biden than under Trump, in a similar time period.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/30/biden-trump-compare-covid-deaths/[/URL]

With republican deaths likely far surpassing the rate death of democrats these days, it might be too soon to give this pandemic a complete wrap.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632969]Yes, Tough On Crime Newsom passed a law that prosecutors can charge every member of an organized smash-and-grab robbery, which is not the crime of "looting" BTW, with a felony even if all they got away with was a candy bar. That is known as deterring a crime from being committed in the first place.

As far as stopping smash-and-grab robberies in process, which are not only happening in California, is your brilliant idea to accomplish that to line the streets with SWAT Teams blocking windows and doors of every retail store 24/7 on the chance that any one of those stores could be targeted by the sudden arrival of such a team in a car or truck at any moment?

Do you have any idea how much funding and manpower that would require in California and around the country, not to mention the decline in the high quality of life so many Californians enjoy?

California catches, prosecutes and incarcerates plenty. How do you think their prisons got so full?[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/02/californias-golden-opportunities-for-criminals/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633324]Biden said that any president that had that many deaths from a virus should resign. Trump had no vaccine until December 2020. No one was vaccinate under Trump presidency and less people died than under Biden. Kind of defeats your theory doesn't it? Biden has had three vaccines for 11 months and has more people die than died under Trump. By his own admission shouldn't he resign?[/QUOTE]If Biden had promised to solve homelessness in America and, sure enough, 6 months into his first term in office delivered a door key and deed to a lovely 3 bedroom 2 bathroom home to every man, woman and child in America at no charge to them, it would be obvious that Biden had indeed solved homelessness in America in spectacular fashion even if all 37,000,000 Repubs who followed Trump's recommendation to "Vote Twice!" for him last year chose instead the FreeDumb of crawling into a cardboard furniture box and wallowing in their own piss, shit and filth every night.

You're not going to generate much pity for those Repub FreeDumbshits or resentment for Biden in the rest of us relaxing in our new homes in such an analogous outcome regardless whatever word game you come up with about it. Same as the reality that Trump's incompetence and cowardice lead directly to every death from Trump's Pandemic after perhaps the first 100 or so deaths in China while Biden's competence and determination continues to save millions upon millions of lives.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2633388]Interesting. So degenerate crackpots who're dying in mass (8-10 times more than the vaccinated), who are kicking, screaming, fighting against free, easy and life-saving vaccines are somehow Biden's fault?

Is Delta variant, which is more than 2 X contagious than the original Trump virus, Biden's fault too?

Swell![/QUOTE]Facts are facts even if you don't like them. More people have died under Biden with vaccinations than died under Trump with no vaccinations. Obviously Biden is doing a far worst job than Trump. That is a fact that is proved by the amount of deaths.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632969]Yes, Tough On Crime Newsom passed a law that prosecutors can charge every member of an organized smash-and-grab robbery, which is not the crime of "looting" BTW, with a felony even if all they got away with was a candy bar. That is known as deterring a crime from being committed in the first place.

As far as stopping smash-and-grab robberies in process, which are not only happening in California, is your brilliant idea to accomplish that to line the streets with SWAT Teams blocking windows and doors of every retail store 24/7 on the chance that any one of those stores could be targeted by the sudden arrival of such a team in a car or truck at any moment?

Do you have any idea how much funding and manpower that would require in California and around the country, not to mention the decline in the high quality of life so many Californians enjoy?

California catches, prosecutes and incarcerates plenty. How do you think their prisons got so full?[/QUOTE]Smash and grab will continue in California as long as democrats are in power which means for a long time. They don't need swat teams to fight this. All they need is to prosecute them and put them in jail. If by chance a smash and grab is arrested he is released on $0 bail. Several commit the same crime the next day. Some are arrested twice in 24 hours and are still released on $0 bail. They are assigned a court day by if they don't show up then there is a warrant on them. If they are arrested by police serving the warrant they are again released on $0 bail. Democrats tough on crime really works.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632777]When Biden was campaigning he said Trump did not have a clue on how to handle Covid and he had a plan to end Covid. After millions more have been vaccinated in 2021 and Biden doing nothing no one can figure out what is plan is. The death numbers came out this week and already more people in USA have died in 11 months from Covid than the total for all of 2020. Why are Biden death numbers higher than Trump death numbers?[/QUOTE]As of Monday November 22nd, more than 770,000 people had died from the coronavirus, according to Johns Hopkins University data. That means over 15,000 more people have died in 2021 than last year from COVID-19 and there's still more than a month left.

So for the first time, year 2021 Covid deaths exceeded the 2020 total with numbers of around 377,000 deaths in 2020 and 393,000 deaths in 2012.

But Covid-19 was killing, on average in January 2021, over 3,100 souls a day.

TrumpShit served as president for 21 days in January 2021. So when you determine that TrumpShit was in the White House for most of January 2021, let's count around 70,000 to 80,000 of January 2021 deaths as occurring when Shit served.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633578]Facts are facts even if you don't like them. More people have died under Biden with vaccinations than died under Trump with no vaccinations. Obviously Biden is doing a far worst job than Trump. That is a fact that is proved by the amount of deaths.[/QUOTE]That is not a fact.

According to the CDC, more than 400,000 people died in the United States before TrumpShit was shown the door on January 20st, 2021.

There have been only around 770,000 total Covid deaths in the United States to date.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633582]Smash and grab will continue in California as long as democrats are in power which means for a long time. They don't need swat teams to fight this. All they need is to prosecute them and put them in jail. If by chance a smash and grab is arrested he is released on $0 bail. Several commit the same crime the next day. Some are arrested twice in 24 hours and are still released on $0 bail. They are assigned a court day by if they don't show up then there is a warrant on them. If they are arrested by police serving the warrant they are again released on $0 bail. Democrats tough on crime really works.[/QUOTE]Well, there goes Cali's bogus BS claim. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/14-arrested-connection-smash-grab-051552284.html[/URL].

"14 arrested in connection to smash-and-grab thefts in Southern California, authorities say".

But, hey, let's not let facts stand in the way of a good lie.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633578]Facts are facts even if you don't like them. More people have died under Biden with vaccinations than died under Trump with no vaccinations. Obviously Biden is doing a far worst job than Trump. That is a fact that is proved by the amount of deaths.[/QUOTE][URL]https://scheerpost.com/2021/05/03/hedges-dont-be-fooled-by-joe-biden/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633578]Facts are facts even if you don't like them. More people have died under Biden with vaccinations than died under Trump with no vaccinations. Obviously Biden is doing a far worst job than Trump. That is a fact that is proved by the amount of deaths.[/QUOTE]Repubs are not "dying" with vaccinations. They are committing Suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus because they refuse to take the free and easily available vaccinations.

And, boy, are Dems embarrassed and ashamed by that tragic outcome after having voted for Biden. No, really. Swear to god. We really are. Really. No kidding. We are. Really.

Oh well. Maybe we will manage to get over that embarrassment and shame someday.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2633670]Well, there goes Cali's bogus BS claim. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/14-arrested-connection-smash-grab-051552284.html[/URL].

"14 arrested in connection to smash-and-grab thefts in Southern California, authorities say".

But, hey, let's not let facts stand in the way of a good lie.[/QUOTE]Yes I saw it on the local news. 14 arrested and 14 released with $0 bail. They probably will all get arrested this week and released again for $0 bail. The yahoo link failed to mention that detail but the local news didn't forget to.

Or, as the Republican Party would say, Destroying America!

And the typically pro Republican Mainstream Media would say, Democrats in Disarray! You can only blame Biden and the Democrats for your unhappiness! Everyone knows Republicans are better than Democrats at handling the economy!

[B]3 Times as many Biden jobs as Bushes, Trump combined[/B]

[URL]https://www.ndn.org/biden-more-jobs-than-GOP[/URL]

And that's only after the first 10 months. Many more to come now that they have passed real Infrastructure legislation.

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the rest of the Dems and everyone who voted for them.

The detractors need to come up with a lot more loony conspiracy theories, nonsense about Critical Race Theory that is not being taught in public schools, temporary inflation, phony outrage about Dem City Crime and hysteria over transgender restrooms to overcome these amazingly positive results before next year's midterm elections.

But they needn't worry; Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media will be right there to help them do exactly that every step of the way.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2633638]That is not a fact.

According to the CDC, more than 400,000 people died in the United States before TrumpShit was shown the door on January 20st, 2021.

There have been only around 770,000 total Covid deaths in the United States to date.[/QUOTE]This is a fact. You are wrong again. Just Google Covid deaths in 2021 and every news site will say as of October 6 there are more deaths from Covid under Biden than deaths under Trump. Biden has achieved this feat in only 10 months with 3 vaccines and over 50% of Americans vaccinated. In 2020 there were less than 1% vaccinated. These are facts and easily checked but you already checked it and you know you are wrong but you think the socialists on this site will believe you and not google it themselves. Well I am going to inform you that all democrats are not dumb.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2633683][URL]https://scheerpost.com/2021/05/03/hedges-dont-be-fooled-by-joe-biden/[/URL][/QUOTE]Anybody who believes this hogwash needs their tinfoil hat adjusted.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633578]Facts are facts even if you don't like them. More people have died under Biden with vaccinations than died under Trump with no vaccinations. Obviously Biden is doing a far worst job than Trump. That is a fact that is proved by the amount of deaths.[/QUOTE]First: Viruses mutate. Some mutate slowly. Others mutate quickly. I guess you forgot that. Here's some reading material that ought to keep you busy. [URL]https://www.breakthroughs.com/advancing-medical-research/how-do-viruses-mutate-and-what-it-means-vaccine[/URL] and [URL]https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/viruses-and-evolution[/URL] and [URL]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19[/URL]#What-this-means-for-a-vaccine.

Second: There are far more unvaccinated trumpers than Democrats. Far more trumpers refuse to wear masks and follow social distancing guidelines. From the article that follows: "Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22 (2021), 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: [B]90% of Democrats had been vaccinated[/B], compared with 68% of Independents and [B]just 58% of Republicans[/B]. " [URL]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/10/01/for-covid-19-vaccinations-party-affiliation-matters-more-than-race-and-ethnicity/[/URL].

Third: People are tired of COVID and they let their guard down.

Fourth: trump, trumpers and trumper politicians keep spreading misinformation.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2633815][B]3 Times as many Biden jobs as Bushes, Trump combined[/B]

[URL]https://www.ndn.org/biden-more-jobs-than-GOP[/URL]

And that's only after the first 10 months. Many more to come now that they have passed real Infrastructure legislation.

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the rest of the Dems and everyone who voted for them.[/QUOTE]This correct fact from a legitimate source should be repeated again.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633818]This is a fact. You are wrong again. Just Google Covid deaths in 2021 and every news site will say as of October 6 there are more deaths from Covid under Biden than deaths under Trump. Biden has achieved this feat in only 10 months with 3 vaccines and over 50% of Americans vaccinated. In 2020 there were less than 1% vaccinated. These are facts and easily checked but you already checked it and you know you are wrong but you think the socialists on this site will believe you and not google it themselves. Well I am going to inform you that all democrats are not dumb.[/QUOTE]In many areas of the country (almost always red) twice as many trumpers have died of COVID in 2020 than Democrats. If this keeps up, RethugliKKKans won't win another election. [URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0749379721001355[/URL] and [URL]https://khn.org/morning-breakout/covid-deaths-skew-higher-than-ever-in-red-states/[/URL] and [URL]https://theweek.com/politics/1005560/conservative-media-is-killing-republican-voters-the-party-can-ill-afford-to-lose[/URL].

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633818]This is a fact. You are wrong again. Just Google Covid deaths in 2021 and every news site will say as of October 6 there are more deaths from Covid under Biden than deaths under Trump.[/QUOTE]You will need to show your link.

Every legitimate link I go to states that there still are more Covid deaths under TrumpShit.

Like this one:

"Thus far, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Biden has presided over about 353,000 deaths in a little over 10 months, compared to about 425,000 for Trump in his final 10-plus months. So there have still been fewer deaths under Biden than under Trump, in a similar time period.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-biden-and-trump-actually-compare-on-coronavirus-deaths/ar-AARjeJI[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2633823]Anybody who believes this hogwash needs their tinfoil hat adjusted.[/QUOTE]Why can't you believe the truth?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2633780]Repubs are not "dying" with vaccinations. They are committing Suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus because they refuse to take the free and easily available vaccinations.

And, boy, are Dems embarrassed and ashamed by that tragic outcome after having voted for Biden. No, really. Swear to god. We really are. Really. No kidding. We are. Really.

Oh well. Maybe we will manage to get over that embarrassment and shame someday.[/QUOTE]Can you explain why Biden death toll is so bad? He campaigned saying he had a plan. Obviously his plan isn't working as he has killed more people in 10 months than Trump. Are you saying Biden is doing this on purpose to kill republicans?

Everyone who voted for Biden should apologize to America. I already have and more democrats are doing it daily.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633578]Facts are facts even if you don't like them.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And it's anti-vaxxing crackpots who do most of the dying.

Biden is a president, not Lord Almighty. He can't make crackpots stop being crackpots.

I mean, you and your comrades, of all people, should know, LOL.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634090]Why can't you believe the truth?[/QUOTE]From somebody who believes the 2020 election was stolen? From somebody who believes that Chinese thermostats changed votes in voting machines? From somebody who believes that Jewish space lasers start forest fires? From somebody who credits trump for creating the vaccine but doesn't blame him for creating a worthless vaccine?

No trumper ever has spoken the truth. Well, Michael Flynn did say that Q-anon was BS, so I'll give you that one.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634092]Can you explain why Biden death toll is so bad? He campaigned saying he had a plan. Obviously his plan isn't working as he has killed more people in 10 months than Trump. Are you saying Biden is doing this on purpose to kill republicans?

Everyone who voted for Biden should apologize to America. I already have and more democrats are doing it daily.[/QUOTE]I can't explain why so many Repubs continue to eagerly commit suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus in the face of Biden making the life-saving vaccines that Trump spent a year telling the world were unnecessary free and easily available to every American. You'd have to ask them. But you better hurry to ask before their mouths are stuffed with a ventilator nozzle and they can no longer reply.

Maybe they are so depressed by the unprecedented historically positive USA jobs creation and economic recovery we have had under Biden and the Dems that they've simply lost their will to live. Just my guess though.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634092]Can you explain why Biden death toll is so bad? He campaigned saying he had a plan. Obviously his plan isn't working as he has killed more people in 10 months than Trump. [/QUOTE]Incorrect, more died of Covid under TrumpShit.

But the key thing to remember is.

Month after month, the number of Covid deaths under TrumpShit was generally increasing.

Now, under the Biden plan, the monthly death toll for Covid is generally decreasing.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634092]Are you saying Biden is doing this on purpose to kill republicans? [/QUOTE]I put in more in the category of silver linings.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2634086]You will need to show your link.

Every legitimate link I go to states that there still are more Covid deaths under TrumpShit.

Like this one:

"Thus far, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Biden has presided over about 353,000 deaths in a little over 10 months, compared to about 425,000 for Trump in his final 10-plus months. So there have still been fewer deaths under Biden than under Trump, in a similar time period.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-biden-and-trump-actually-compare-on-coronavirus-deaths/ar-AARjeJI[/URL][/QUOTE]Fake news posts don't count. Go back to google and look up one of the 10 or 15 legit news source.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634197]Fake news posts don't count. Go back to google and look up one of the 10 or 15 legit news source.[/QUOTE]Why are you even talking about this? You said multiple times in the past that death tolls were meaningless because they were counting people dying "with COVID" not "of COVID".

So why are death tolls suddenly meaningful now?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634197]Fake news posts don't count. Go back to google and look up one of the 10 or 15 legit news source.[/QUOTE]I have linked the correct counts to USA today anf Washington Posts links. I have backed up the TrumpShit Covid death toll AR approx. 425,000 dead, including Herman Cain.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2634167]From somebody who believes the 2020 election was stolen? From somebody who believes that Chinese thermostats changed votes in voting machines? From somebody who believes that Jewish space lasers start forest fires? From somebody who credits trump for creating the vaccine but doesn't blame him for creating a worthless vaccine?

No trumper ever has spoken the truth. Well, Michael Flynn did say that Q-anon was BS, so I'll give you that one.[/QUOTE]Amazing how the democrat hatred is so strong. I am not a Trumper but maybe I should have been considering the disaster we are having with Biden. Democrats across the country are leaving the democrat party because it is not the democrat party of the past. It is now the party of hatred and racism as this forum shows every day. Democrats are leaving the party to be Trumpsters. They are embarrassed to be a democrat in 2021.

As for the 3 vaccines Trump got developed. They are still being used in every country in the world.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2634430]Why are you even talking about this? You said multiple times in the past that death tolls were meaningless because they were counting people dying "with COVID" not "of COVID".

So why are death tolls suddenly meaningful now?[/QUOTE]Covid deaths were manipulated upwards by 20-40% in 2020 and 2021 but the fact still remains Biden killed more people than Trump and we have 2 more months of deaths to add to Biden total. Admit it. Biden did a worse job than Trump.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634458]Amazing how the democrat hatred is so strong. I am not a Trumper but maybe I should have been considering the disaster we are having with Biden. Democrats across the country are leaving the democrat party because it is not the democrat party of the past. It is now the party of hatred and racism as this forum shows every day. Democrats are leaving the party to be Trumpsters. They are embarrassed to be a democrat in 2021.

As for the 3 vaccines Trump got developed. They are still being used in every country in the world.[/QUOTE]You and other RethugliKKKans have said on this board that the vaccines are worthless. So you can't give trump credit for developing the vaccines and, in the same breath, give him a pass for developing worthless vaccines.

Either trump developed worthless vaccines and paid billions for them or he developed great vaccines. Which one is it?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634463]Covid deaths were manipulated upwards by 20-40% in 2020 and 2021 but the fact still remains Biden killed more people than Trump and we have 2 more months of deaths to add to Biden total. Admit it. Biden did a worse job than Trump.[/QUOTE]I assume even you realize nobody with a brain is buying this spin about the Repubs' choice to commit Suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus in any way being Biden's fault. My god, whatever fake news source you're getting that one from must think their audience is even more astonishingly stupid than the rest of us thought!

And no Democrat, former or current, refers to that party as the Democrat Party. I suspect you have heard it and read it that way so often on your favorite winger fake news sources over the past decades that by now you don't even know that isn't the name of the party.

Seriously, wherever you're getting this Repub talking point from is obviously desperate to find any lunatic spin imaginable to distract attention from the fact that Biden and the Dems are producing the best legislative results across the board of any 1st year presidency ever while the Repubs are doing their usual nothing except scratching their butts and looking for any possible future opportunity to Crash the USA economy again and wipe out millions more USA jobs, the only thing Repubs have done for a living for at least the past century.

Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

[URL]https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/2021-12-05/pro-trump-counties-now-have-far-higher-covid-death-rates-misinformation-is-to-blame[/URL]

Go Herman go.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2634510]I assume even you realize nobody with a brain is buying this spin about the Repubs' choice to commit Suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus in any way being Biden's fault. My god, whatever fake news source you're getting that one from must think their audience is even more astonishingly stupid than the rest of us thought!

And no Democrat, former or current, refers to that party as the Democrat Party. I suspect you have heard it and read it that way so often on your favorite winger fake news sources over the past decades that by now you don't even know that isn't the name of the party.

Seriously, wherever you're getting this Repub talking point from is obviously desperate to find any lunatic spin imaginable to distract attention from the fact that Biden and the Dems are producing the best legislative results across the board of any 1st year presidency ever while the Repubs are doing their usual nothing except scratching their butts and looking for any possible future opportunity to Crash the USA economy again and wipe out millions more USA jobs, the only thing Repubs have done for a living for at least the past century.[/QUOTE][B]"October COVID Death Rate In Reddest Tenth Of Nation Six Times Higher Than Bluest"[/B]

An examination of COVID-related American death data has again revealed dramatic differences between Republican and Democratic counties, with the reddest tenth of the nation in October chalking up a death rate six times higher than that of the bluest tenth, NPR reported.

That radical divergence for Republican counties has since dropped to a still startling 5.5 times higher, according to Charles Gaba, an independent health care analyst who has been tracking partisanship pandemic trends.

NPR's analysis found that since May, when COVID-19 vaccines became widely available, counties that voted in 2020 for Donald Trump by 60% or more have suffered nearly triple the rate of COVID-related deaths compared to counties that voted for Joe Biden by the same margin.

NPR gleaned the data by examining deaths per 100,000 people in 3,000 counties across the nation.

Though demographics varied widely among the counties, NPR determined that the single biggest factor in the dramatic difference was "misinformation" about COVID-19, which was linked to lower vaccination rates.

That held up even when controlling for age, which is the "primary demographic risk" for COVID-19 mortality, NPR noted.

The study found that the higher the vote share for Trump, the lower the vaccination rate.

Republicans are now the largest single demographic group of the unvaccinated in America, NPR reported. Being unvaccinated dramatically increases the risk of death from COVID-19, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"An unvaccinated person is three times as likely to lean Republican as they are to lean Democrat," said Liz Hamel, vice president of survey research at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan health policy think tank.

Polling by the foundation revealed that Republicans are far more likely to believe false statements about COVID-19 and vaccines. 94% of Republicans believe that one or more false statements about COVID-19 and vaccines might be true, and 46% believed four or more statements might be true.

Only 14% of Democrats tend to believe four or more false statements about the disease.

According to Hamel, underestimating the severity of the disease appears to be a major reason Republicans aren't getting vaccinated.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/october-covid-death-rate-reddest-023236069.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2634510]I assume even you realize nobody with a brain is buying this spin about the Repubs' choice to commit Suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus in any way being Biden's fault. My god, whatever fake news source you're getting that one from must think their audience is even more astonishingly stupid than the rest of us thought!

And no Democrat, former or current, refers to that party as the Democrat Party. I suspect you have heard it and read it that way so often on your favorite winger fake news sources over the past decades that by now you don't even know that isn't the name of the party.

Seriously, wherever you're getting this Repub talking point from is obviously desperate to find any lunatic spin imaginable to distract attention from the fact that Biden and the Dems are producing the best legislative results across the board of any 1st year presidency ever while the Repubs are doing their usual nothing except scratching their butts and looking for any possible future opportunity to Crash the USA economy again and wipe out millions more USA jobs, the only thing Repubs have done for a living for at least the past century.[/QUOTE]Always a great read.

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/05/misremembering-pearl-harbor/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2634506]You and other RethugliKKKans have said on this board that the vaccines are worthless. So you can't give trump credit for developing the vaccines and, in the same breath, give him a pass for developing worthless vaccines.

Either trump developed worthless vaccines and paid billions for them or he developed great vaccines. Which one is it?[/QUOTE]I never ever said Trump vaccines don't work. I have both my shots and the booster and Trump fast tracking the vaccines saved several lives. Although most of my friends are democrats and vaccinated I have a few friends that are democrats that are not vaccinated and won't get vaccinated because they do not believe in it. It is not just republicans refusing to get vaccinated. In our area they are having trouble getting the blacks vaccinated. I am pretty sure all the blacks in California are not republicans.

Part of the problem is some democrats won't take the vaccine because Trump developed them. I have not seen one Republican on this board say the vaccines are worthless. Can you please show me one post here that says that? Or are you lying again?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2634611]Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

[URL]https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/2021-12-05/pro-trump-counties-now-have-far-higher-covid-death-rates-misinformation-is-to-blame[/URL]

Go Herman go.[/QUOTE]Do any of you guys really believe fake news from a liberal media site. Surely you are smarter than that.

Hopefully President Joe Biden will soon impose travel restrictions from red states, where Covid-19 is quickly becoming out-of-control this winter from those stupid, dirty residents.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634463]Covid deaths were manipulated upwards by 20-40% in 2020 and 2021 but the fact still remains Biden killed more people than Trump and we have 2 more months of deaths to add to Biden total. Admit it. Biden did a worse job than Trump.[/QUOTE]So you're saying that the same "powers that be" who artificially inflated COVID numbers in 2020 to make the Mango Mussolini look bad are artificially inflating COVID numbers in 2021 to make Biden look bad?

Even a RethugliKKKan ought to be able to see the sheer idiocy of that logic. Well, maybe not, considering that most RethugliKKKans believe that the election was stolen, that Chinese thermostats changed votes and that Jewish space lasers cause forest fires.

RethugliKKKans make up the largest population of the unvaccinated and are slowly killing themselves, proving once and for all that "Stupid is as stupid does."

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2634624][B]"October COVID Death Rate In Reddest Tenth Of Nation Six Times Higher Than Bluest"[/B]

An examination of COVID-related American death data has again revealed dramatic differences between Republican and Democratic counties, with the reddest tenth of the nation in October chalking up a death rate six times higher than that of the bluest tenth, NPR reported.

That radical divergence for Republican counties has since dropped to a still startling 5.5 times higher, according to Charles Gaba, an independent health care analyst who has been tracking partisanship pandemic trends.

NPR's analysis found that since May, when COVID-19 vaccines became widely available, counties that voted in 2020 for Donald Trump by 60% or more have suffered nearly triple the rate of COVID-related deaths compared to counties that voted for Joe Biden by the same margin.

NPR gleaned the data by examining deaths per 100,000 people in 3,000 counties across the nation.

Though demographics varied widely among the counties, NPR determined that the single biggest factor in the dramatic difference was "misinformation" about COVID-19, which was linked to lower vaccination rates.

That held up even when controlling for age, which is the "primary demographic risk" for COVID-19 mortality, NPR noted.[/QUOTE]In other words:

It's called Making America Great Again!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2634875]Even a RethugliKKKan ought to be able to see the sheer idiocy of that logic.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't count on it.

Lots of people have made good money betting it fools enough.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2634873]Hopefully President Joe Biden will soon impose travel restrictions from red states, where Covid-19 is quickly becoming out-of-control this winter from those stupid, dirty residents.[/QUOTE]He probably will. Everything he has done so far as president has been stupid and incompetent. This would fit right into his agenda.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2634884]In other words:

It's called Making America Great Again![/QUOTE]Keep wearing your MAGA hat and promoting Make America Great Again because all of USA knows who did it. The democrats have the hatred for Make America a great Again. Nice to see you promoting Trump accomplishments. You finally came to your senses.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2634875]So you're saying that the same "powers that be" who artificially inflated COVID numbers in 2020 to make the Mango Mussolini look bad are artificially inflating COVID numbers in 2021 to make Biden look bad?

Even a RethugliKKKan ought to be able to see the sheer idiocy of that logic. Well, maybe not, considering that most RethugliKKKans believe that the election was stolen, that Chinese thermostats changed votes and that Jewish space lasers cause forest fires.

RethugliKKKans make up the largest population of the unvaccinated and are slowly killing themselves, proving once and for all that "Stupid is as stupid does.[/QUOTE]This is a very astute reply to probably the most asinine post of this year.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2633324]Biden said that any president that had that many deaths from a virus should resign.[/QUOTE]My guess is that he said that in 2020 when campaigning.

With democrats getting all vaxxed up, the worthwhile people are going to pull through.

Let Darwin shine!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2634873]Hopefully President Joe Biden will soon impose travel restrictions from red states, where Covid-19 is quickly becoming out-of-control this winter from those stupid, dirty residents.[/QUOTE]I am sure you believe that, and I can see why if you rely on that stupid story that assigns political party status to people based on a guess and uses polling data to arrive at a supposedly scientific solution.

Thing you douches do not get is that I wished that Biden had a plan that worked, but this story is just more CYA bullshit. Biden's plan has not had any better results than Trump so all you douches are trying to say is we have the plan and it would work have worked if not for Republicans. The only difference IMO is that Biden has been much more dickish about the fake treatments, I. E. he is appearing to "do something". He doubled day on ineffective treatments and got the same results.

As for your poll driven statement about red states, just one look at yesterday's data shows the red states are doing much better than the blue ones. Maybe if you do some more polling and some imaginative chopping up of counties or cities, you can find a way to blame Republicans for Covid.

The whole Democratic douche attitude towards Covid is that you have treatments that work. Hell, you and your "scientists" know all there is to know about Covid right?

So how come Africa has so few cases and deaths? [URL]https://www.science.org/content/article/pandemic-appears-have-spared-africa-so-far-scientists-are-struggling-explain-why[/URL].

"We do not have an answer," says immunologist Sophie Uyoga at the Kenya Medical Research Institute–Welcome Trust Research Programme.

But hell, you douches always have an answer and it is the same one: In this case, Africa has so few cases because there are no Republicans there.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635103]I am sure you believe that, and I can see why if you rely on that stupid story that assigns political party status to people based on a guess and uses polling data to arrive at a supposedly scientific solution.

Thing you douches do not get is that I wished that Biden had a plan that worked, but this story is just more CYA bullshit. Biden's plan has not had any better results than Trump so all you douches are trying to say is we have the plan and it would work have worked if not for Republicans. The only difference IMO is that Biden has been much more dickish about the fake treatments, I. E. he is appearing to "do something". He doubled day on ineffective treatments and got the same results.

As for your poll driven statement about red states, [b]just one look at yesterday's data shows the red states are doing much better than the blue ones[/b]. Maybe if you do some more polling and some imaginative chopping up of counties or cities, you can find a way to blame Republicans for Covid.[/QUOTE]Actually, you're wrong. You don't show your sources, as usual, so you probably just pulled the numbers out of thin air, but here's a [B]real source[/B] which shows that you are, per normal, full of it. Since you won't read the article and will say that it is "fake news" because it didn't come from some rightwingnut propaganda rag, it says "Here is a breakdown of average daily COVID-19 deaths and COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people over the last seven days in all 50 USA States and Washington, the. See. The data was last updated Dec. 6. " [URL]https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/us-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-july-1.html[/URL].

Here are the top 10 states:

Wyoming.

Deaths per 100,000: 2.

Daily average deaths: 11.6.

Montana.

Deaths per 100,000: 1. 47.

Daily average deaths: 15.8.

Kentucky.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 99.

Daily average deaths: 44.3.

Michigan.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 96.

Daily average deaths: 96.

West Virginia.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 9.

Daily average deaths: 16.1.

Arizona.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 71.

Daily average deaths: 51.4.

North Dakota.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 71.

Daily average deaths: 5. 4.

Minnesota.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 7.

Daily average deaths: 39.7.

Tennessee.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 7.

Daily average deaths: 47.6.

Pennsylvania.

Deaths per 100,000: 0. 69.

Daily average deaths: 88.4.

The top 6 in terms of deaths per capita are, drum roll please, trumper states.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2634996]Keep wearing your MAGA hat and promoting Make America Great Again because all of USA knows who did it. The democrats have the hatred for Make America a great Again. Nice to see you promoting Trump accomplishments. You finally came to your senses.[/QUOTE]The word "maga" means "easily fooled idiot" in Nigerian Pidgin. [URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/maga-mean-easily-fooled-idiot/[/URL].

As Paul Harvey said "And now you know — the rest of the story."

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635103]I am sure you believe that, and I can see why if you rely on that stupid story that assigns political party status to people based on a guess and uses polling data to arrive at a supposedly scientific solution.

Thing you douches do not get is that I wished that Biden had a plan that worked, but this story is just more CYA bullshit. Biden's plan has not had any better results than Trump so all you douches are trying to say is we have the plan and it would work have worked if not for Republicans. The only difference IMO is that Biden has been much more dickish about the fake treatments, I. E. he is appearing to "do something". He doubled day on ineffective treatments and got the same results.

As for your poll driven statement about red states, just one look at yesterday's data shows the red states are doing much better than the blue ones. Maybe if you do some more polling and some imaginative chopping up of counties or cities, you can find a way to blame Republicans for Covid.

The whole Democratic douche attitude towards Covid is that you have treatments that work. Hell, you and your "scientists" know all there is to know about Covid right?

So how come Africa has so few cases and deaths? [URL]https://www.science.org/content/article/pandemic-appears-have-spared-africa-so-far-scientists-are-struggling-explain-why[/URL].[/QUOTE]Ahem. From your link:

[QUOTE]So what explains the huge gap between antibody data on the one hand and the official case and death counts on the other? Part of the reason may be that Africa misses many more cases than other parts of the world because it has far less testing capacity. Kenya tests about one in every 10,000 inhabitants daily for active SARS-CoV-2 infections, one-tenth of the rate in Spain or Canada. Nigeria, the continent's most populous nation, tests one out of every 50,000 people per day. Even many people who die from COVID-19 may not get a proper diagnosis.[/QUOTE]Remember when Trump wanted to produce the same kind of misleading African data in America by discouraging testing? Of course, he would have managed to mass murder even more Americans with that "plan" than the nearly 800,000 he mass murdered so far.

Hey, look, everybody! It's another Dem-bashing Repub who doesn't believe the vaccine works and either won't take it himself or condones and encourages other Repub suckers not to bother, exactly the same thing Trump did for most of 2020.

No need to rely on a poll on that one. It has been duly noted and verified in writing right here.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635103]I am sure you believe that, and I can see why if you rely on that stupid story that assigns political party status to people based on a guess and uses polling data to arrive at a supposedly scientific solution.

Thing you douches do not get is that I wished that Biden had a plan that worked, but this story is just more CYA bullshit. Biden's plan has not had any better results than Trump so all you douches are trying to say is we have the plan and it would work have worked if not for Republicans. The only difference IMO is that Biden has been much more dickish about the fake treatments, I. E. he is appearing to "do something". He doubled day on ineffective treatments and got the same results.

As for your poll driven statement about red states, just one look at yesterday's data shows the red states are doing much better than the blue ones. Maybe if you do some more polling and some imaginative chopping up of counties or cities, you can find a way to blame Republicans for Covid.

The whole Democratic douche attitude towards Covid is that you have treatments that work. Hell, you and your "scientists" know all there is to know about Covid right?

So how come Africa has so few cases and deaths? [URL]https://www.science.org/content/article/pandemic-appears-have-spared-africa-so-far-scientists-are-struggling-explain-why[/URL].

"We do not have an answer," says immunologist Sophie Uyoga at the Kenya Medical Research InstituteWelcome Trust Research Programme.

But hell, you douches always have an answer and it is the same one: In this case, Africa has so few cases because there are no Republicans there.[/QUOTE]What a glorious cacophony of delusional crackpot talking points. Elvis strikes gold again!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635103] SNIP So how come Africa has so few cases and deaths? SNIP..[/QUOTE]Nobody knows for sure but, if you had bothered to do a modicum (bigly word, I know) of research, you'd have some theories.

[URL]https://theconversation.com/the-impact-of-covid-19-has-been-lower-in-africa-we-explore-the-reasons-164955[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54418613[/URL]

[URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/astmh/95796[/URL]

See, this is called research.

"Arguing with Trump supporters is like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it has won anyway."

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2635252]Nobody knows for sure but, if you had bothered to do a modicum (bigly word, I know) of research, you'd have some theories.

[URL]https://theconversation.com/the-impact-of-covid-19-has-been-lower-in-africa-we-explore-the-reasons-164955[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54418613[/URL]

[URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/astmh/95796[/URL]

See, this is called research.[/QUOTE]Good articles. In the end the most probable variables in the matter of Sub-Saharan Africa are associated with much younger populations (median ages around 16, 17), the lack of long term care facilities, and limited testing abilities. South Africa on the other hand has a median age at least 10 years higher with plenty of long term care facilities and testing. The stats there are very different.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2635252]Nobody knows for sure.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you should stop right there. We actually agree on something. I could ask if the article showing how much better Dems are took into account all those theories. So no one knows why Africa was spared but we know that the only reason Republican counties are having so many more deaths is Republicans are stupidly resistant to getting vaccinated.

It must be that they are stupid right? Well, that could be or it could be they remember stuff like this:

A New England Journal of Medicine editorial headlined "Dying in a Leadership Vacuum" called the Administration "dangerously incompetent" and declared "we should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs."

Or maybe they remember this:

Because of the Trump Administration's preparation, the USA Led most of the world in vaccinations this spring. Yet Mr. Biden had no plan to deal with the large numbers of vaccine holdouts, other than to deride them. He missed his goal of getting 70% of adults vaccinated by July 4 but proclaimed victory nonetheless.

Yeah, Biden forced Republicans into giving him a victory or not taking the vaccine it all, and enough Republicans refused the vaccine so Biden could not truly declare victory. How stupid was that?

You echoed the Washington Post when it wrote, "Biden has presided over about 353,000 deaths in a little over 10 months, compared to about 425,000 for Trump in his final 10-plus months."

But you seem to have forgotten this part:

President Biden may not recall what he said during a 2020 campaign debate last fall, but Americans should: "Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America. " At the time the USA Had recorded 220,000 Covid deaths.

And now comes the last bit of red state, Republican lies: The truth last year and this year is that the virus is impossible for any politician to control, much less eliminate. Mr. Biden used the illusion he could vanquish the virus to win election, and he is now paying a political price because he hasn't.

I asked you douches to give me a number for 2022 about the number of deaths and cases, and you wouldn't, but Biden gave us all a number.

So the big question is which slogan are you going to run on "only 353,000 deaths" or "It would have been less than 220,000 if not for those stupid Republicans." I can see you all are going with the latter. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2635252]Nobody knows for sure but, if you had bothered to do a modicum (bigly word, I know) of research, you'd have some theories.

[URL]https://theconversation.com/the-impact-of-covid-19-has-been-lower-in-africa-we-explore-the-reasons-164955[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54418613[/URL]

[URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/astmh/95796[/URL]

See, this is called research.[/QUOTE]Is that what it is called? I call your articles propaganda. From your article, "85% of respondents said they wore masks in the previous week."

This is from yahoo [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-mystified-wary-africa-avoids-074905034.html[/URL].

"Nyasha Ndou kept his mask in his pocket, as hundreds of other people, mostly unmasked, jostled to buy and sell fruit."

As for South Africa testing more, that is just made up. Other countries have tested similar amounts and more. That data is readily available on worldometer.

As for age, that does not fit either. The median age in Namibia is five years younger, and it has the same rate of Covid as South Africa. Botswana is three years younger and has double the case load.

If you click on the worldometers Africa tab, you can see the geographic trend as plain as day if you know Africa's geography, and none of your articles mentioned it. Why? Well, because they keep saying the same unimaginative douche points all over again: masks, government, health systems. That is the new douche reporting system. You ignore the data, decide what the talking points will be, and then get "scientists" to agree with you.

Even someone as blind as you PVMonger should be able to see the trend in Africa and what parts have been hit and which ones haven't, can you find the obvious as can be trend with Covid cases in Africa?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635411]Yeah, you should stop right there. We actually agree on something. I could ask if the article showing how much better Dems are took into account all those theories. So no one knows why Africa was spared but we know that the only reason Republican counties are having so many more deaths is Republicans are stupidly resistant to getting vaccinated.

It must be that they are stupid right? Well, that could be or it could be they remember stuff like this:

A New England Journal of Medicine editorial headlined "Dying in a Leadership Vacuum" called the Administration "dangerously incompetent" and declared "we should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs."

Or maybe they remember this:

Because of the Trump Administration's preparation, the USA Led most of the world in vaccinations this spring. Yet Mr. Biden had no plan to deal with the large numbers of vaccine holdouts, other than to deride them. He missed his goal of getting 70% of adults vaccinated by July 4 but proclaimed victory nonetheless.

Yeah, Biden forced Republicans into giving him a victory or not taking the vaccine it all, and enough Republicans refused the vaccine so Biden could not truly declare victory. How stupid was that?

You echoed the Washington Post when it wrote, "Biden has presided over about 353,000 deaths in a little over 10 months, compared to about 425,000 for Trump in his final 10-plus months.".[/QUOTE]The real fact is that Biden never ever would have fast tracked the vaccines if he was president in 2020. Biden would have taken the safe route by doing additional testing and verifications and the vaccines would just now be released to the public. Biden said Trump was reckless releasing the vaccines after such a short testing period. Biden would have had twice as many deaths in 2021 if Trump had not fast tracked the vaccines. Thank God Biden wasn't president in 2020.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635411]So no one knows why Africa was spared but we know that the only reason Republican counties are having so many more deaths is Republicans are stupidly resistant to getting vaccinated.

It must be that they are stupid right?[/QUOTE]You said it Elvis, not me.

I have however, always known it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635411]Yeah, you should stop right there. We actually agree on something. I could ask if the article showing how much better Dems are took into account all those theories. So no one knows why Africa was spared but we know that the only reason Republican counties are having so many more deaths is Republicans are stupidly resistant to getting vaccinated.

It must be that they are stupid right? Well, that could be or it could be they remember stuff like this:

A New England Journal of Medicine editorial headlined "Dying in a Leadership Vacuum" called the Administration "dangerously incompetent" and declared "we should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs."[/QUOTE]This guy is unbelievable! Does he really think that everyone except him is a moron who doesn't know how to do even the most rudimentary fact-checking?

A "new editorial"? This NEJM article dates to October 8 2020. It's the Republican ever-trumper administration led by the Orange Clown himself the article calls "dangerously incompetent. " When this article says ""we should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs" that's an indictment for them. The Republicans.

I thought once, maybe this guy's just so dumb that he can't even put up a coherent argument, but no. All his mongering comments are reasonable and to the point. It's only when it comes to politics and his beloved pet peeve conspiracy theories, his cynical inclination to use any trick or sleight of hand in order to win an argument really shines.

People who live in states that voted for Donald Trump are at a 50% higher risk of dying from COVID-19.

That's according to a new CNN analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University, which shows a direct parallel between low vaccination rates and higher death rates in individual states.

Pro-Trump red states had a 52% higher average of COVID-19 deaths per capita than blue states, researchers found.

That mirrors the vaccination rate data, which showed that 4 in 10 republicans remain unvaccinated, compared to just 1 in 10 democrats.

The five states with the highest per capita death rates -- Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, and West Virginia -- all went for Trump in the 2020 election.

Meanwhile, the death rates in blue states, where vaccination rates are higher, have significantly declined since vaccines were made available.

[URL]https://local12.com/news/nation-world/study-risk-of-dying-from-covid-50-higher-in-red-states-coronavirus-pandemic-mask-social-distancing-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-johnson-and-johnson-delta-omicron-variant-democrat-republican-cincinnati-ohio[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2635772]This guy is unbelievable! Does he really think that everyone except him is a moron who doesn't know how to do even the most rudimentary fact-checking?

A "new editorial"? This NEJM article dates to October 8 2020. It's the Republican ever-trumper administration led by the Orange Clown himself the article calls "dangerously incompetent. " When this article says ""we should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs" that's an indictment for them. The Republicans.

It's only when it comes to politics and his beloved pet peeve conspiracy theories, his cynical inclination to use any trick or sleight of hand in order to win an argument really shines.[/QUOTE]That quote about the NEJM was actually from a WSJ editorial like from a week ago, an editorial that was so powerful and persuasive Trump bragged about it and the Washington Post tried to refute it.

So here we go again. First, there was the tetanus thing and now this. You think you are being smart when you are really being a fool. If you do not get what the WSJ is saying with the NEJM quote, that is on you. I think it is a good idea to understand an argument before refuting it or attacking someone.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2635765]You said it Elvis, not me.

I have however, always known it.[/QUOTE]Oh you have "known" it. That is the thing I cannot stand with you arrogant Democratic douches, that kind of "knowledge."

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2635772]I thought once, maybe this guy's just so dumb that he can't even put up a coherent argument, but no. All his mongering comments are reasonable and to the point. It's only when it comes to politics and his beloved pet peeve conspiracy theories, his cynical inclination to use any trick or sleight of hand in order to win an argument really shines.[/QUOTE]It doesn't take much in the way of an IQ or research and analytical skills to write up useful mongering posts.

1. "The United States passed yet another grim coronavirus milestone in November: We have now seen more deaths from the virus in 11 months of 2021 than we did in all of 2020 — despite the advent of vaccines." In other words: "More Americans have died from covid in 2021 (11 months) with Uncle Joe in office than died in all of 2020 (12 months) under Trump before there was a shot.

2. "A month ago the coronavirus seemed headed for a long winter's nap in masked and well-vaccinated California. Gov. Gavin Newsom boasted that the Golden State "continues to lead the nation" as the only state to reach the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's yellow "moderate" tier of community virus transmission. But COVID-19 cases aren't falling in California anymore. They have climbed back up to the CDC's blood-red "high" level of virus transmission as the highly contagious Delta variant continues to wreak havoc.

Meanwhile, the virus has gone quiet in Deep South states that abandoned mask orders, opposed vaccine mandates, posted lower vaccination rates and saw larger outbreaks over the summer. California's case rate is now well above Texas' and double Florida's, which along with the rest of the Gulf Coast are down to the CDC's orange "substantial" transmission level."

Meanwhile, the virus has gone quiet in Deep South states that abandoned mask orders, opposed vaccine mandates, posted lower vaccination rates and saw larger outbreaks over the summer. California's case rate is now well above Texas' and double Florida's, which along with the rest of the Gulf Coast are down to the CDC's orange "substantial" transmission level.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635803]Oh you have "known" it. That is the thing I cannot stand with you arrogant Democratic douches, that kind of "knowledge.[/QUOTE]After you repeat the grade.

You'll feel better.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2635803]Oh you have "known" it. That is the thing I cannot stand with you arrogant Democratic douches, that kind of "knowledge."[/QUOTE]I get to laugh at you.

That makes one of us happy.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2635659]The real fact is that Biden never ever would have fast tracked the vaccines if he was president in 2020. Biden would have taken the safe route by doing additional testing and verifications and the vaccines would just now be released to the public. Biden said Trump was reckless releasing the vaccines after such a short testing period. Biden would have had twice as many deaths in 2021 if Trump had not fast tracked the vaccines. Thank God Biden wasn't president in 2020.[/QUOTE]The real fact is that the world would not have suffered the Trump Pandemic or still be in the grip of it today if Clinton, Biden or any other Dem had been in office instead of Trump when Trump decided to defund the CDC, pulled out all of the Pandemic Prevention and Response Teams from those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice not to do something so dangerous and stupid and then compounded his colossally stupid economic decision when the reasonably predictable potential Pandemic outcome indeed showed up in late 2019 by lying in perfect sync with Xi about the seriousness of it, followed by virtually every "It's a hoax! We've got this under control. There will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020). It will go away without a vaccine!" horseshit designed with perfection to turn any likely controllable virus endemic into a full blown Pandemic for practically the subsequent solid year.

God damn anyone who voted or donated so much as a dime to put Trump or any other Repub in the White House.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2635779]People who live in states that voted for Donald Trump are at a 50% higher risk of dying from COVID-19.

That's according to a new CNN analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University, which shows a direct parallel between low vaccination rates and higher death rates in individual states.

Pro-Trump red states had a 52% higher average of COVID-19 deaths per capita than blue states, researchers found.

That mirrors the vaccination rate data, which showed that 4 in 10 republicans remain unvaccinated, compared to just 1 in 10 democrats.

The five states with the highest per capita death rates -- Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, and West Virginia -- all went for Trump in the 2020 election.

Meanwhile, the death rates in blue states, where vaccination rates are higher, have significantly declined since vaccines were made available.[/QUOTE]I assume this is another joke when fake news is quoted.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2635949]The real fact is that the world would not have suffered the Trump Pandemic or still be in the grip of it today if Clinton, Biden or any other Dem had been in office instead of Trump when Trump decided to defund the CDC, pulled out all of the Pandemic Prevention and Response Teams from those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice not to do something so dangerous and stupid and then compounded his colossally stupid economic decision when the reasonably predictable potential Pandemic outcome indeed showed up in late 2019 by lying in perfect sync with Xi about the seriousness of it, followed by virtually every "It's a hoax! We've got this under control. There will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020). It will go away without a vaccine!" horseshit designed with perfection to turn any likely controllable virus endemic into a full blown Pandemic for practically the subsequent solid year.

God damn anyone who voted or donated so much as a dime to put Trump or any other Repub in the White House.[/QUOTE]We all know Obama would have beat back this latest pandemic.

Just as he successfully beat back earlier ones.

Obama saved lives and it kills the right wing to admit it.

At the core of anti-vaxxers in SoCal is a large gang of empty heads.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLGTB0coec[/URL]

My favorite exchange is with the cute blonde that attempts to equate the vaccine mandates to Hitler's attack on Jews.

The commentator asks "Were WWII Jewish people fleeing Poland because they couldn't get into gyms?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2635837]1. "The United States passed yet another grim coronavirus milestone in November: We have now seen more deaths from the virus in 11 months of 2021 than we did in all of 2020 despite the advent of vaccines." In other words: "More Americans have died from covid in 2021 (11 months) with Uncle Joe in office than died in all of 2020 (12 months) under Trump before there was a shot.

2. "A month ago the coronavirus seemed headed for a long winter's nap in masked and well-vaccinated California. Gov. Gavin Newsom boasted that the Golden State "continues to lead the nation" as the only state to reach the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's yellow "moderate" tier of community virus transmission. But COVID-19 cases aren't falling in California anymore. They have climbed back up to the CDC's blood-red "high" level of virus transmission as the highly contagious Delta variant continues to wreak havoc..[/QUOTE]Case rates? Who cares about case rates? In a country where Biden has made sure every American can easily get fully vaccinated for free, the death rate is the rate that really matters. That's why the vaccines were invented despite Trump spending virtually all of 2020 trying to convince the world not to bother inventing one or taking one.

No vaccine ever invented is capable of preventing a positive test result, otherwise known as a "case". They aren't even invented for that purpose as case numbers will naturally increase as more people are vaccinated and mitigation measures are relaxed. A vaccine is designed on the premise that you will be exposed to the virus and will then test positive.

Vaccines are invented to prevent serious sickness leading to death from the virus.

Therefore, behold the stubborn facts about Covid-19 Death Rates By State as of December 8, 2021:

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL]

It turns out residents of California have a much better chance of surviving Covid-19 than residents of Texas, Florida, a whole slew of maskless, low vaccine Deep South States and most other States as well.

Thanks, Joe and Gavin.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2635837]1. "The United States passed yet another grim coronavirus milestone in November: We have now seen more deaths from the virus in 11 months of 2021 than we did in all of 2020 despite the advent of vaccines." In other words: "More Americans have died from covid in 2021 (11 months) with Uncle Joe in office than died in all of 2020 (12 months) under Trump before there was a shot.

2. "A month ago the coronavirus seemed headed for a long winter's nap in masked and well-vaccinated California. Gov. Gavin Newsom boasted that the Golden State "continues to lead the nation" as the only state to reach the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's yellow "moderate" tier of community virus transmission. But COVID-19 cases aren't falling in California anymore. They have climbed back up to the CDC's blood-red "high" level of virus transmission as the highly contagious Delta variant continues to wreak havoc.

Meanwhile, the virus has gone quiet in Deep South states that abandoned mask orders, opposed vaccine mandates, posted lower vaccination rates and saw larger outbreaks over the summer. California's case rate is now well above Texas' and double Florida's, which along with the rest of the Gulf Coast are down to the CDC's orange "substantial" transmission level."

Meanwhile, the virus has gone quiet in Deep South states that abandoned mask orders, opposed vaccine mandates, posted lower vaccination rates and saw larger outbreaks over the summer. California's case rate is now well above Texas' and double Florida's, which along with the rest of the Gulf Coast are down to the CDC's orange "substantial" transmission level.[/QUOTE]The problem with you is that you are dancing around the "facts" while cherry picking your data and drawing errant conclusions. The southern states tend to get a reprieve this time of year because the extreme heat is off and crowded indoor activities around AC decrease. They spike in the summer. It's seasonal. That was Desantis' excuse for the spike in FL over this summer and he was correct. On the other hand the north sees a spike as cold weather arrives due to increased indoor activities. But what is the big picture? Since the start of the pandemic red states with few exceptions have much higher Covid case rates per 100 K population, which gives us the big picture. See attachments. In fact if you look at the top ten then the bottom ten the former is about a Whos' Who of strong red states, the bottom the same of strong leftist states. The attachments are through 11/26/21. Follow the link and you'll see the maps updated through yesterday.

As to the increase in Covid deaths in 2021 as compared to 2020, first there were also more cases in 2021 to correlate with the deaths. The reasons are two fold, one the pandemic didn't get going strong until late March of 2020 so there is a shorter time frame. Two, there's been far more mobility this year as restrictions have lifted. There has however been considerably fewer deaths this year in relation to cases due to improved treatments and the vaccines that conservatives proportionately reject at a far greater rate than their liberal counterparts. See attachment.

So these "facts" you brought, or perhaps only copied and pasted off a right wingnut blog are actually half-truths that when presented alone represent an untruth.

P.S. Much of the nation including many red states, as well as some of the more northern counties in the South have high transmission rates over the last week, so it's disingenuous to single out Cali. Given what we know about Covid, a disease spread through aerosols, it no doubt would be worse if not for the many that cooperate with safety protocols like masking and social distancing. Comparing Sweden's results, a country that has had loose protocols against their Nordic neighbors who have taken the virus more seriously proves this. Check World O Meter under the individual countries.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/[/URL]

[URL]https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/[/URL]#county-view.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2636137]Therefore, behold the stubborn facts about Covid-19 Death Rates By State as of December 8, 2021:

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL]

It turns out residents of California have a much better chance of surviving Covid-19 than residents of Texas, Florida, a whole slew of maskless, low vaccine Deep South States and most other States as well.

Thanks, Joe and Gavin.[/QUOTE]Very telling indeed.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2636060]We all know Obama would have beat back this latest pandemic.

Just as he successfully beat back earlier ones.

Obama saved lives and it kills the right wing to admit it.[/QUOTE]And in record time thanks to swift and intelligent response.

Biden has now recovered and produced more jobs, recovered and rescued the economy from the latest Great Repub Economic Crash And Disaster, passed more effective positive legislation including historic bipartisan Infrastructure legislation in his first 10 months in office than vocational golfer Trump never came close to passing in 4 miserable years of empty promises to skip at least one failing Trump golf resort weekend excursion to even consider and saved millions of American lives faster than anyone other than Biden himself thought humanly possible.

To suggest that he would have reacted slower than Trump or anyone else and stalled in the proper response to the intel Trump got about the spread of Covid as early as January 2020 is preposterous on its face and contrary to everything that is easily observable, well known and fully documented about both Biden and Trump.

And that is in addition to the obvious truth that the CDC monitors and Pandemic Prevention and Response teams would not have been defunded and pulled out of those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice not to do something so stupid and dangerous under Biden or any other Dem as happened under Trump. Which means the world very likely would never have been plunged into Trump's Pandemic and all of the subsequent worldwide deaths, massive jobs destruction, supply chain destruction and hyper-inflation that Trump's catastrophic stewardship produced in the first place.

Or, as Republicans would scream, Biden and the Democrat Party continue to destroy America!

[B]U.S. weekly jobless claims at lowest level since 1969 as labor market tightens[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-weekly-jobless-claims-drop-lowest-level-since-1969-2021-12-09/[/URL]

BTW, as great as that result is already, shouldn't someone in the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media at least grudgingly mention in passing that there are quite a few more people in America today than 52 years ago as well, making this terrific Biden / Dem economic result even more impressive? LOL. Wishful thinking, I know.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2636255]Or, as Republicans would scream, Biden and the Democrat Party continue to destroy America!

[B]U.S. weekly jobless claims at lowest level since 1969 as labor market tightens[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-weekly-jobless-claims-drop-lowest-level-since-1969-2021-12-09/[/URL]

BTW, as great as that result is already, shouldn't someone in the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media at least grudgingly mention in passing that there are quite a few more people in America today than 52 years ago as well, making this terrific Biden / Dem economic result even more impressive? LOL. Wishful thinking, I know.[/QUOTE]Inflation hits 38 year high at 7.2 per cent. No presents at Christmas for low income families. Thanks Joe, Nancy and Chuck.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2636060]We all know Obama would have beat back this latest pandemic.

Just as he successfully beat back earlier ones.

Obama saved lives and it kills the right wing to admit it.[/QUOTE]Obama did nothing when the swine flu hit. Other countries wore masks and took temperatures of incoming tourists. He just ignored it and it went away. Fortunately it was not deadly like Covid or he would have killed millions. Doing nothing and ignoring a disease is not a success. It is just irresponsible. Very similar to the economy this year. Biden has done nothing and the economy is doing ok even with him trying to regulate more industries. The economy is good in spite of Biden. Yes Biden can take some credit for the economy because fortunately His economic plans are being stopped by the senate. If the senate keeps blocking his plans the Trump economy will continue. Make America Great Again policies are still in effect.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2636422]Obama did nothing when the swine flu hit. Other countries wore masks and took temperatures of incoming tourists. He just ignored it and it went away. Fortunately it was not deadly like Covid or he would have killed millions. Doing nothing and ignoring a disease is not a success. It is just irresponsible. Very similar to the economy this year. Biden has done nothing and the economy is doing ok even with him trying to regulate more industries. The economy is good in spite of Biden. Yes Biden can take some credit for the economy because fortunately His economic plans are being stopped by the senate. If the senate keeps blocking his plans the Trump economy will continue. Make America Great Again policies are still in effect.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha.

If your TrumpShip hero was good for only destroying the worldwide economy and his lying and mismanagement the root cause of millions of deaths worldwide.

The best defense is, I guess.

To complain about the millions of people that died in Cali Guys hallucinations during Obama successful first term and his reelection out of gratitude.

And begrudgedly admit the economy is "good" under Biden.

I case you had not noticed, unemployment is the lowest it has been over 50 years!

Let's hope TrumpShit destroys his party by running again.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2636422]Obama did nothing when the swine flu hit. Other countries wore masks and took temperatures of incoming tourists. He just ignored it and it went away. Fortunately it was not deadly like Covid or he would have killed millions. Doing nothing and ignoring a disease is not a success. It is just irresponsible. Very similar to the economy this year. Biden has done nothing and the economy is doing ok even with him trying to regulate more industries. The economy is good in spite of Biden. Yes Biden can take some credit for the economy because fortunately His economic plans are being stopped by the senate. If the senate keeps blocking his plans the Trump economy will continue. Make America Great Again policies are still in effect.[/QUOTE]For the love of God, please stop believing the lies on rightwingnut media.

"Obama's acting director of health and human services declared H1 N1 a public health emergency on April 26,2009. That was when the United States had only 20 confirmed cases of H1 N1 and no deaths."

"Two days later, the administration made an initial funding request for H1 N1 to Congress. Eventually $7. 65 billion was allocated for a vaccine and other measures. " [URL]https://www.poynter.org/tfcn/2020/did-the-obama-administration-mishandle-h1n1/[/URL].

And this: [URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/flawed-comparison-on-coronavirus-h1n1-emergency-timelines/[/URL].

And this: [URL]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/h1n1-swine-flu-covid-pence-trump-debate.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2636296]You just picked a one-year old article condemning the Trump Administration and presented it as if it was a new article indicting Biden. And this is not the first time you're using a trick like that.
[/QUOTE]I swear fourth graders have better comprehension skills than you do.

The article is a week or so old and references the NEJM from a year or so again. It is explaining why people are not getting vaccinated and why Covid is not getting better with Biden.

I do not have to not list a link to trick you. Did you know the word gullible is not in the dictionary? When you first used a computer, how long was it until you found the delete key and quit putting liquid paper on the monitor?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2636543]Did you know the word gullible is not in the dictionary?[/QUOTE]I know it is, even without looking.

Your normal audience must be the uneducated.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2636417]Inflation hits 38 year high at 7.2 per cent. No presents at Christmas for low income families. Thanks Joe, Nancy and Chuck.[/QUOTE]Ranchers are losing money on their steers but steak prices are up 25% or so. If the ranchers aren't getting paid, who is?

That's right, the corporations that your boy Donnie gave huge tax breaks to.

Don't blame inflation on the politicians, blame the wholesalers and retailers who are making record profits.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2636648]Ranchers are losing money on their steers but steak prices are up 25% or so. If the ranchers aren't getting paid, who is?

That's right, the corporations that your boy Donnie gave huge tax breaks to.

Don't blame inflation on the politicians, blame the wholesalers and retailers who are making record profits.[/QUOTE]Steer prices have increased from 10-18 percent depending on region from 2020. Feed has gone up 50 percent. Diesel prices are up 50 percent since 2020. Freight costs to ship the steers has gone up 50 percent depending on region. It is not just the steer price but with 8 percent inflation everything added to the cost of beef is higher. Big corporations are not the reason. Biden policies are to blame. Probably a third of the inflation was Biden energy policy. Wake up. Trump is gone. These are current administration issues. Biden polls show who is to blame. Even democrats are blaming Biden for inflation. Socialism is proven to cause inflation in every country in history. This is no different.

I see Trump's disastrous economic decisions going back to at least 2018 when he paved the way for a worldwide economy-destroying Pandemic to develop and spread unabated has now killed his plans to self-publish another bullshit book he claims to have authored.

[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2021/12/trumps-supply-chain-failures-killed-his[/URL]

As you see in the link, Trump's supply chain destruction was already hitting the book publishing industry and jacking up the cost of paper in 2020 as was then reported in the New York Times. Biden hadn't even won the presidential election in a landslide yet.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2636422]Obama did nothing when the swine flu hit. Other countries wore masks and took temperatures of incoming tourists. He just ignored it and it went away. Fortunately it was not deadly like Covid or he would have killed millions. Doing nothing and ignoring a disease is not a success. It is just irresponsible. Very similar to the economy this year. Biden has done nothing and the economy is doing ok even with him trying to regulate more industries. The economy is good in spite of Biden. Yes Biden can take some credit for the economy because fortunately His economic plans are being stopped by the senate. If the senate keeps blocking his plans the Trump economy will continue. Make America Great Again policies are still in effect.[/QUOTE]I haven't been on this site for awhile and it is refreshing to see a post from an educated and intelligent man. A few months ago the only posts were from losers on welfare or government assistance. I see the losers are still attacking your posts but that is typical of loser socialists that have no life. Keep up the good work. America is on our side and the democrats are starting to come around.

As to swine flu, read it and weep. "Obama's acting director of health and human services declared H1 N1 a public health emergency on April 26,2009. That was when the United States had only 20 confirmed cases of H1 N1 and no deaths."

"Two days later, the administration made an initial funding request for H1 N1 to Congress. Eventually $7. 65 billion was allocated for a vaccine and other measures. " [URL]https://www.poynter.org/tfcn/2020/di...ishandle-h1n1/.[/URL].

And this: [URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/fl...ncy-timelines/.[/URL].

And this: [URL]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...mp-debate.html.[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2637650]As to swine flu, read it and weep. "Obama's acting director of health and human services declared H1 N1 a public health emergency on April 26,2009. That was when the United States had only 20 confirmed cases of H1 N1 and no deaths."

"Two days later, the administration made an initial funding request for H1 N1 to Congress. Eventually $7. 65 billion was allocated for a vaccine and other measures. " [URL]https://www.poynter.org/tfcn/2020/di...ishandle-h1n1/.[/URL].

And this: [URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/fl...ncy-timelines/.[/URL].

And this: [URL]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...mp-debate.html.[/URL].[/QUOTE]The proof is in the pudding.

President Obama successfully fought off numerous viral threats during his presidency.

President Obama took a failing economy and turned it robust.

President Obama was re-elected having beat two two strong republicans.

TrumpShit defunded our endemic warning system.

TrumpShit then let a bad pandemic run worldwide when it could have been controlled.

TrumpShip turned a thriving United States economy into dogshit. Worst performance since the Depression.

And it was all due to TrumpShit being Shit.

TrumpShit was thrown out on his ass when he asked for four more years.

Kentucky factory worker survives tornados, but loses car, job and home.

CaliGuy / Canada point out it happened on Biden's watch.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2636543]I swear fourth graders have better comprehension skills than you do.

The article is a week or so old and references the NEJM from a year or so again. It is explaining why people are not getting vaccinated and why Covid is not getting better with Biden.

I do not have to not list a link to trick you. Did you know the word gullible is not in the dictionary? When you first used a computer, how long was it until you found the delete key and quit putting liquid paper on the monitor?.[/QUOTE]If the WSJ article exists, then post a link. If you don't post a link, we'll all know that your comments aren't worth the time it takes to read them.

FYI, the "Dying in a Leadership Vacuum" article was published in early October, 2020. I'm quite sure Biden wasn't President then and the "leadership vacuum" referred to in the article was the bumbling attributed to the former guy.

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With the Biden train wreck in full force many democrats are in denial. They keep looking to fake news and fake links on the internet that claim everything is better under Biden. Fake news does not see a crisis at the border. Fake news does not see crime out of control in democrat run states. Fake news does not see the looting of stores in California. Fake news does not see fake hate crimes. Fake news does not acknowledge the catastrophe in Afghanistan. Fake news does not see high gas prices and inflation. Fake news does not see Biden as a puppet to China and Russia. Instead fake news is still talking about Trump presidency. Well America sees the real news. They don't have to look at the fake news or the fake posts on the internet to tell them that their business wasn't really looted. They don't need fake news to tell them their kid was stabbed in a NYC subway. They live it every day. 20 per cent of the democrats are seeing it. 80 per cent are still ignoring it or denying it. 10 per cent are still stupid enough to blame Trump for Biden incompetency. Obviously people posting on this site don't live in the same USA as I do.

At least he had one good face that lasted for a few months.

That face was busy chastising TrumpShit constantly during January 6th, passing along hundreds of urgent pleas from congressmen, fox nearly news hosts, and Donnie Junior.

And telling the orange face for over three hours to quit acting like nero and call off his dogs.

The god face stayed around long enough to deliver six or seven thousand pages of damning evidence to the bi-partisan committee.

Building a second face will not stop your head from rolling.

We need a pool to predict how many rolling heads see jail.

I predict four heads roll into jail in year 2022, with 11 overall by the time the TrumpShit treason trials end.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2637806]If the WSJ article exists, then post a link. If you don't post a link, we'll all know that your comments aren't worth the time it takes to read them.[/QUOTE]What makes you all douches is that they were not my comments to begin with. This was written November 25, 2021.

Here is the link: [URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-covid-death-milestone-biden-administration-trump-11637708781[/URL].

President Biden may not recall what he said during a 2020 campaign debate last fall, but Americans should: "Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America. " At the time the USA Had recorded 220,000 Covid deaths.

Covid deaths this year have now surpassed the toll in 2020 with 350,000 since Inauguration Day. It would seem that Mr. Biden has done no better than Donald Trump in defeating Covid despite the benefit of vaccines, better therapies, and more clinical experience. The left politicized Covid by holding Mr. Trump responsible for a disease that was always going to be hard to defeat.

"If the president had done his job, had done his job from the beginning, all the people would still be alive," Mr. Biden said last fall. That was as false as anything Mr. Trump ever said, but most journalists and experts agreed with the basic premise: Mr. Trump had blood on his hands. The world's top medical journals called for Mr. Trump's defeat.

A New England Journal of Medicine editorial headlined "Dying in a Leadership Vacuum" called the Administration "dangerously incompetent" and declared "we should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs. " No wonder so many conservatives don't trust these health experts.

Mr. Biden famously promised "to shut down the virus, not the country," and he accused Mr. Trump of having "no plan. " Mr. Trump did downplay the virus in the early part of 2020, and he needlessly put himself in the middle of almost every debate over the disease and possible treatments. Politically, he played into Mr. Biden's hands. But his Administration accelerated the vaccines and therapies that Mr. Biden later took credit for.

Because of the Trump Administration's preparation, the USA Led most of the world in vaccinations this spring. Yet Mr. Biden had no plan to deal with the large numbers of vaccine holdouts, other than to deride them. He missed his goal of getting 70% of adults vaccinated by July 4 but proclaimed victory nonetheless.

Then came the more transmissible Delta variant, which Mr. Biden also had no plan to deal with though it had been spreading around the world for months. He needlessly injected himself into fights in GOP states over mask mandates. By late September, daily deaths exceeded 2,000 more than twice as many as a year earlier.

Mr. Biden blamed GOP governors and unvaccinated conservatives. Yet blacks and young people have also shown reluctance to get vaccinated, and they don't tend to be Republican. See Nicki Minaj and Kyrie Irving. Meantime, Mr. Biden's vaccine mandates have further polarized the country.

Virus cases this fall have plunged in the South but are now rising in the Northeast and Midwest states with relatively high vaccination rates. Vaccines are helpful in preventing severe illness but aren't as effective at preventing infections and transmission as health experts hoped. Booster shots will be needed to keep the virus at bay this winter, especially for seniors and people at high risk. Yet the Administration's messaging on boosters has been inconsistent and often confusing.

We recount all this not to blame Mr. Biden for this year's Covid deaths. The truth last year and this year is that the virus is impossible for any politician to control, much less eliminate. Mr. Biden used the illusion he could vanquish the virus to win election, and he is now paying a political price because he hasn't.