Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Talking about Star of Light, a complete Moron started a rumor that SOL had closed its doors for good. The guy posted in a Pattaya Forum (what a surprise).

Don't get nervous guys, fortunately SOL is open and the bunch of Hungry wet mouths await your cocks![/QUOTE]



Good to read this notice. Will be back there in 3-4 weeks.
Will I meet some of you "experts"???!!
F.V.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]I make "blanket statements" like this to get responses from people like you,[/QUOTE]

Ok so you are a no raison d'être "shit" starter. Now thats what Warbucks calls a loser.

I fucked my brains out in BKK in December/January and am likely to return again in March. I get a Saturday night blow job (CIM) on a regular basis to let off built up ejaculate. I am an admitted monger who religiously reads the ISG and pays for sex, and enjoys both. Call me a loser if you like.

My older brothers living in the US have been married to the same overweight wives for 20 years. I doubt they have had sex for months or even years. We don't talk about it, but they do know of my habits and do not disapprove. One of them regularly sends me titty photos, which I view with minor interest.

Who, I ask, is leading a losing sex life? I wouldn't call either of my brothers a loser because they aren't. We just lead different lifestyles and I certainly enjoy mine.

[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]Who, I ask, is leading a losing sex life? I wouldn't call either of my brothers a loser because they aren't. We just lead different lifestyles and I certainly enjoy mine.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely! I also am happy to join the Losers Club... but do I really care? Nope.

I am young, have money and rarely go 48 hours without a fuck (well, lately i've been injured so the stats changed) :D

I guess I am a loser with a BIB smile on his face

... Those who seem to view these threads, less as an exchange point for mongering information and adventures, and more as a cathartic reaffirmation of their own self image and worth. For who would use a bunch of mongers as a sounding board for a valuation statement regarding their own merits and achievements? Don’t think that is necessarily the kind of hard information that the target audience of forums like this really want to hear.

We all (I hope) have one thing in common and that is we enjoy indulging in an activity which many would consider to be socially unacceptable back home. How many would openly visit a massage parlor or prostitute in their home countries if the entrance to their premises was on open display on a busy street? Or even visit at all? Yet in Thailand and other similar countries, the sex industries are legitimized to a degree that we all feel comfortable and relaxed about openly consorting with prostitutes and feel no stigma or discomfort regarding it. So the fat, balding old man is quite happy (and maybe proud) to be seen walking down the street with the young Thai w**** on his arm.

If this makes us losers, then so be it. Who are the winners? But at the end of the day it is a business and we are the customers and maybe it is a good thing to be self aware and painfully honest regarding personal motivation and raison d’etre. Or perhaps it’s best to just enjoy and fuck the self analysis :).

On my second day in Bangkok staying at Livingstones I hve been ahvign a great time and was going to write some reports, but a recent trip to Tulips have left me somewhat concerned, as usual for Tulip had been really enjoying myself, went to change position to find the condom had come off and had to be retrieved from inside her pussy! , the girl seemed unconcerned, but I am now very concerned and would welcome some advice, obviously I need to and and get checked ut where and how long afterwards can I stop worrying.

[QUOTE=The Seer]On my second day in Bangkok staying at Livingstones I hve been ahvign a great time and was going to write some reports, but a recent trip to Tulips have left me somewhat concerned, as usual for Tulip had been really enjoying myself, went to change position to find the condom had come off and had to be retrieved from inside her pussy! , the girl seemed unconcerned, but I am now very concerned and would welcome some advice, obviously I need to and and get checked ut where and how long afterwards can I stop worrying.[/QUOTE]The Seer,

I am still sitting at my desk downstairs. Otherwise - tomorrow morning, let's talk.


Giotto

My advice is don't sweat it. If you caught anything (doubtful) it'll most likely be G or C or H, all of which would probably (*though not definitely) have symptoms...the first two of which would almost certainly be treatable.

If you are worried about HIV, don't be. Your odds are better of winning the lotto. But if it'll make you sleep better, get tested 6 weeks from now.

These things said, good to hear about your safe and healthy attitude. No harm in going to the doctor (I suggest after 6 weeks, if no symptoms) and running it all by him/her, and even taking the test.

Good luck (not that you'll need it).

-B-

[QUOTE=The Seer]On my second day in Bangkok staying at Livingstones I hve been ahvign a great time and was going to write some reports, but a recent trip to Tulips have left me somewhat concerned, as usual for Tulip had been really enjoying myself, went to change position to find the condom had come off and had to be retrieved from inside her pussy! , the girl seemed unconcerned, but I am now very concerned and would welcome some advice, obviously I need to and and get checked ut where and how long afterwards can I stop worrying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]... Those who seem to view these threads, less as an exchange point for mongering information and adventures, and more as a cathartic reaffirmation of their own self image and worth. For who would use a bunch of mongers as a sounding board for a valuation statement regarding their own merits and achievements? Don’t think that is necessarily the kind of hard information that the target audience of forums like this really want to hear.

Or perhaps it’s best to just enjoy and fuck the self analysis :).[/QUOTE]

Gamahucher you seem to not be very observant for a former soldier. The Thailand threads always go off topic. They were talking about toilets and housing material in the racism in Thailand thread if I recall correctly.
Just the other day you were telling us all about the cool weather in Manila. Is that mongering information?

Nobody is using this board as reaffirmation of their own self worth. I take it we are all successful in our own right that we travel the world at our leisure and especially in these hard economic times have money to waste on pussy.

I am really enjoying that “king’s” English that you use. It is simply amazing that the two most perverse guys on ISG seem to be highly intellectual. I find that somewhat oxymoronic.

[QUOTE=Bounce Around]Things must be slow in BKK; just went through the past five pages: A YMMV report on Annies, squables about who's a loser and what age group P4P girls like, and something about a teeth cleaning. Hmmm. What we need is a stimulus package.[/QUOTE]

Agree with you.

Here is a stimulus package that will open all doors. Sorry I mean legs.

Thanks, I am not so worried about myself, as I know full well most things can be treated and if not it is a risk we all run withour hobby. I am more concerned passing it on, now I enjoy uncovered oral (and yea I know that has risk as well, but AFAIK much lower than uncovered penetrative sex) and place like Tulip, Akane there is a fair bit of unprotected rubbing of cock against pussy. So I want to keep enjoying myself but don't want to increase risk to others. But enough of that, I am suffering jet lag badly so may as well write up my report to date.

Arrived Sunday from UK, the plan was half empty, never seen I empty like this and this is the high season, anyway staying at Livingstones, and sure it has its faults, like poor sound insulation between rooms, but they are more than made up by the benefits, including of course the sports bar, but mostly it is different than all the other corporate hotels I have stayed at and the attitude of the staff is always positive. Arrived at 4pm So dumped my bags and stright up to Akane, conveniently just round the corner. Don't think I've ever had a bad session there and this was no exception, it just wasnt one of the greats. Still went the the 90 min with oral actions, had a girl Fuyu, who was sweet, the usual session on the shower getting soapy and personnal then onto the bed for a short cat bath followed by good oral (and this girl knows her technique) though covered unfortunately, then a good solid massage. I have had some session here where we spent the whole time sucking and fucking, just didn't hit it off right this time. So feeling still a bit stiff from the flight but too tired for a take out, I then popped up to Lavender massage, which is one of my favourate oily's where you can have a good two hour massage with good hand relief, not everyone choice but I find a good option when feeling tired.

So onto today, hookd up with a grl met on TLL, and after a tour of the temples ended up back at Livingstones for an afternoon of fun, thinking on it seems a bit a sacrilegious.

Then spent a couple of hours in the sports bar with a full choice of the young ladies, will have to sample a couple of these this week but too much choice can be a bad thing if I can't make my mind up, but decided tonite that would go to Tulip, so a brisk walk to there and went for the two hour session, I am not going to name her as she was a delightfull girl and it wasnt her fault for the accident. So anyway into the shower for a soap and grope, nearly came there but knew more was to come, onto the bed for a cat bath and oral, this time uncovered, and if I though Fuyu was good this girl surpassed it she has the most amazing tongue. Then on with the cover and the main course, now when I am tired I often find it hard to cum and this was no exception, we fucked each other for nearly an hour before she noticed the cover had come off, afterwards we tried to resume but I was worried about it appening again so she finished me off with oral, still a nice end to the session. She really seemed to enjoy the session and I think she came multiple times, never had anything but grade A service at Tulips.

So back to choices, hopefully I will get some sleep soon, jet lag this time is a bumer, wonder what is open at 3am! Was thinking about popping down to Annies then Nana but not sure now.

Finally and I know its too late, Happy Chinese New Year

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[QUOTE=The Middleman]If I may ask you in which country.[/QUOTE]

The only one that wanted me.

[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Ok so you are a no raison d'être "shit" starter. Now thats what Warbucks calls a loser.[/QUOTE]


Takes one to know one?

[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Gamahucher you seem to not be very observant for a former soldier. ..[/QUOTE]

Actually the point is that I am too observant! Too little passes under the radar. I appreciate that a bunch of savvy and streetwise guys with divergent and highly individualistic viewpoints are hardly likely to stay on topic for very long. I guess my point, obliquely made, is that as interesting as it is to be appraised of the personal details of a members successes and material assets, a few here do have an attention span slightly longer than that of a goldfish, and really only need to be told once!

You flatter me but I am no intellectual. There are members on this and other forums here who have much higher wattage brains than my meager possession. This diversity of intellects found here is of endless fascination, ranging from guys who can hardly seem to string a coherent sentence together to those who seem to write doctorate thesis's instead of reports. All brought together through a common goal to score pussy :D. Amazing.

The other side of the story.

We all read with great interest the exploits of Thailand’s numerous mongers, whether they be "vacation mongers" or "expat mongers". Well I thought I would just try to represent the other side of the industry with an account (straight from the horse’s mouth) from a lady working in a well known massage parlor. I will not mention any names of places or people.

The woman in question is in her thirties, but would easily pass as 28, like a lot of Thai women she has kept her age well. I would describe her as beautiful, she has lovely black bobbed hair and very pale skin, and she has no kids so she has a rather perfect body with very firm, verging on solid breasts. She is not hard core and maintains an air of serenity. In fact she is too polite considering her work.

I asked her did she like any part of her job. No she replied, only collecting the money at the end of the day, who would like this job! She told me sometimes when they get a nice looking customer they can be so arrogant and difficult to please, also it can be embarrassing for them as they do not really understand the motive of some really handsome men. Her words not mine. She also told me that when they get in the room many men change from the original meeting. Example: she had one customer who originally wanted a girl to do anal, but he did not like the girls on offer, so he chose her knowing she did not offer this service. When he got her in the room he insisted on anal and knowing he could cause many problems for her as he was a regular, she reluctantly agreed. Without going into too much detail she told me that I would not believe some of the weird shit they have to put up with (Japs). She told me she regularly does two ladies one man, this is not a favorite for her as she does not like eating pussy, which customers always insist on. I can understand that. I would not suck a cock! The girls can refuse customers and certain things. But she told me that when you start refusing life starts to get difficult and you are not recommended to customers. When I asked her about condoms she replied "I never do anything without a condom, not even oral".

She told me her best day was 6 customers in a 12 hour shift and this was when she first started at the parlor. So she was the new kid on the block and very popular. Three months on she is lucky to get one or two a day. She told me their life span is short. New girls come in and take the top positions and the favors of the mammasan /pappasan. Her best tip ever was 5000bt, but many times she gets nothing. Where she works she is favored by Thai customers, which suits her because she does not really like Farangs. I never really pushed for a reason, from between the lines I think it is just easier for her with Thai men, they are not so demanding.

If you looked at this woman you would never think she is in the sex industry. She is beautiful and has retained a very feminine character, her manners are flawless, she looks like the perfect wife material. So guys next time you are out there enjoying yourself, remember these girls have a story too, and they are human beings doing the worst job possible as far as Thai culture is concerned. When you are in a massage parlor and the girl seems shy about showing her body and covers quickly. That’s the real her!

Next time I go I am going to give a good tip, they deserve it. I wouldn't want to suck my cock!

[QUOTE=*****man]The reality is that most girls will go wild for a young handsome man.[/QUOTE]

Watch their eyes and their body language when young guys go by. Like everyone else over 40, girls have told me numerous times they don't like going with young guys - and then minutes later when one goes by their eyes light up and they nearly get giddy. It's hard to blame them - I sure would not go with a woman 20 years older than me unless she had a gun to my head.

As to the debate on being a loser for coming here for sex, I plead guilty! It's certainly the way most of Western society looks at us and in truth so did I for quite a while. Now though that I am getting older and still getting laid with more different girls in a month than most non-losers do in their lifetime I am ok with that. Some people just aren't good at relationships and I am one of them. But I like sex and warm weather. When I was younger I felt guilty that I wasn't doing what was expected of me - get married, have kids, be a good neighbor - but now I am incredibly happy that I am not tied down for the remainder of my life to some middle class life of morality and monogamy waiting for the children to visit and my pension to kick in. Most of us are over here having fun, seeing the world, making friends and having new experiences all the time.

Day 3 and another interesting experience, whilst not being p4p I thought I woul share it, anyway headed out with the intention of hitting annies then the nana complex or soi cowboy. On the way out I came across this young lass trying to lift some heavy looking crates onto the back of pickup, with no one obviously helping her the gentleman in me offered to help her, which was duly accepted, now she was quite attactive so I offered to buy her a drink, which was accepted and one thing led to another (I will leave that up to your sordid imagination) and we ended up back at my hotel, unfortunately she had to work tomorrow so left just before midnight. Moral of the story, no good deed goes unrewarded. Sometime I just can't figure Thai girls, here was a young girl, must have been 21 as she claimed, good looking choosing to go with me and not for money, middle aged and not in the best of shape, go figure. I guess I have to watch out that I don't gain a girlfriend, but then I am only in Bangkok for a week then can easily disapear as I only give my nuber for a thai sim I buy new every time I come to Bangkok.

Feeling a bit exhausted decided not to go to Cowboy, instead went for a quick rub and tug at Lavender soi 22, but the session was quite mediocre, same girl as last time but totally different, I guess she had had a long day as well. Still a competent massage which was the main thing I was after.

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I haven't been to many FL Bars, just had a quick beer at Beergarden last November.

What ages of women can one expect to see at those places? Youngest and oldest, it would be interesting to hear your point of views about this.

What I mean is, how old are the oldest freelancers? How long do they last in this profession?

Andy

Well spoken as a true human being, which most of us are at the end of the day.

I know how this "Loser" thing started, and thought it was funny at first. But now I am thinking about it more and more (probably due to a self complexion). How is it that society determines what is right or wrong? What makes my society correct and the other society wrong? How am I the loser for doing what I enjoy? Who is the loser below?
1. The guy married to a woman, 7 yrs older then him, and has sex with her 4-6 times a year.And who only married her because he knocked her up.
2. The guy that has never married and has 14 kids with 9 different women, and doesn't even have a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in.
3. The guy that bought a hugh house, that cost him 60% of his pay check because the interest rate has adjusted?
4. The guy that got forclosed on?
5. The guy that was a CEO for a large company, that now how laid off 5,000 people. Or worst yet closed doors all together.
6. The CEO who makes 14 million a year, pays $800,000 to redo his office, who spends $40 million for a new jet, and then closes a factory due to a drop in sales.
7. The guy that is elected Govenor of a State and then tries selling a Senator's seat (after the Senator is elected president).
8. The guy who steals consently to buy drugs. Who never graduated from school. Who never held a jump for more then 1 year.
9. The guy who has never made more then $10 an hour.
10. The guy who will never buy, let a lone drive a BMW.
11. The girl who got knocked up at 14 yrs old.
12. The girl who dropped out of school, who only followed her families foot steps.
13. The girl who has $25k in credit card debit.
14. The girl who gets knocked up on a one night stand, and only knows the guy as John Doe. Who has 5 kids by 3 different guys.
15. The girl who marries the guy that beats her every day, and still loves stays with him.
16. The girl that eats Bon Bon's everyday, while watching Queen Oprah.
17. The girl who thinks buffalo have wings.
18. The girl who only has sex with her husband 4 times a year, and gives it to her husband on his birthday as a birthday present.
19. The girl that has 1 pair of shoes for each day of the month.
20. The girl whose favorite restuarant is McDonald's.

WTF.... just because I chase pussy, why does it make me a LOSER? I confess I am addicted to it like a crackhead is addicted to crack. I am guilty as charged. I am doing what makes me happy, and I am not doing anything that is hurting anyone else. Atleast I am in control of my finances enough that I can do it with out having to charge it on my credit card (which he/she would default in) or take a 2nd mortgage out to do it.
Enough said about Loser's. Refer to me as a guy pursuing the American Dream. I will now climb down off my soap box and take the back lash. M&M out!

[QUOTE=Mimonger]

1. The guy married to a woman, 7 yrs older then him, and has sex with her 4-6 times a year.And who only married her because he knocked her up.
2. The guy that has never married and has 14 kids with 9 different women, and doesn't even have a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in.
3. The guy that bought a hugh house, that cost him 60% of his pay check because the interest rate has adjusted?
4. The guy that got forclosed on?
5. The guy that was a CEO for a large company, that now how laid off 5,000 people. Or worst yet closed doors all together.
6. The CEO who makes 14 million a year, pays $800,000 to redo his office, who spends $40 million for a new jet, and then closes a factory due to a drop in sales.
7. The guy that is elected Govenor of a State and then tries selling a Senator's seat (after the Senator is elected president).
8. The guy who steals consently to buy drugs. Who never graduated from school. Who never held a jump for more then 1 year.
9. The guy who has never made more then $10 an hour.
10. The guy who will never buy, let a lone drive a BMW.
11. The girl who got knocked up at 14 yrs old.
12. The girl who dropped out of school, who only followed her families foot steps.
13. The girl who has $25k in credit card debit.
14. The girl who gets knocked up on a one night stand, and only knows the guy as John Doe. Who has 5 kids by 3 different guys.
15. The girl who marries the guy that beats her every day, and still loves stays with him.
16. The girl that eats Bon Bon's everyday, while watching Queen Oprah.
17. The girl who thinks buffalo have wings.
18. The girl who only has sex with her husband 4 times a year, and gives it to her husband on his birthday as a birthday present.
19. The girl that has 1 pair of shoes for each day of the month.
20. The girl whose favorite restuarant is McDonald's.

[/QUOTE]


All of the above

[QUOTE=Mimonger]I know how this "Loser" thing started, and thought it was funny at first. But now I am thinking about it more and more (probably due to a self complexion). How is it that society determines what is right or wrong? What makes my society correct and the other society wrong? How am I the loser for doing what I enjoy? Who is the loser below?

1. The guy married to a woman, 7 yrs older then him, and has sex with her 4-6 times a year.And who only married her because he knocked her up.

2. The guy that has never married and has 14 kids with 9 different women, and doesn't even have a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in.

3. The guy that bought a hugh house, that cost him 60% of his pay check because the interest rate has adjusted?

4. The guy that got forclosed on?

5. The guy that was a CEO for a large company, that now how laid off 5,000 people. Or worst yet closed doors all together.
6. The CEO who makes 14 million a year, pays $800,000 to redo his office, who spends $40 million for a new jet, and then closes a factory due to a drop in sales.
7. The guy that is elected Govenor of a State and then tries selling a Senator's seat (after the Senator is elected president).
8. The guy who steals consently to buy drugs. Who never graduated from school. Who never held a jump for more then 1 year.
9. The guy who has never made more then $10 an hour.
10. The guy who will never buy, let a lone drive a BMW.
11. The girl who got knocked up at 14 yrs old.
12. The girl who dropped out of school, who only followed her families foot steps.
13. The girl who has $25k in credit card debit.
14. The girl who gets knocked up on a one night stand, and only knows the guy as John Doe. Who has 5 kids by 3 different guys.
15. The girl who marries the guy that beats her every day, and still loves stays with him.
16. The girl that eats Bon Bon's everyday, while watching Queen Oprah.
17. The girl who thinks buffalo have wings.
18. The girl who only has sex with her husband 4 times a year, and gives it to her husband on his birthday as a birthday present.
19. The girl that has 1 pair of shoes for each day of the month.
20. The girl whose favorite restuarant is McDonald's.

WTF.... just because I chase pussy, why does it make me a LOSER? I confess I am addicted to it like a crackhead is addicted to crack. I am guilty as charged. I am doing what makes me happy, and I am not doing anything that is hurting anyone else. Atleast I am in control of my finances enough that I can do it with out having to charge it on my credit card (which he/she would default in) or take a 2nd mortgage out to do it.

Enough said about Loser's. Refer to me as a guy pursuing the American Dream. I will now climb down off my soap box and take the back lash. M&M out![/QUOTE]21. The guy and/or girl that can not SPELL.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]I asked her did she like any part of her job. [/QUOTE]

I always wondered who could ask these questions... I guess I have my answer.

Why on earth would someone in their right mind ask a prostitute if she likes her job? hahaha what do you expect? her to tell you that she loves it, she's not in it for the money but because she likes to screw guys? get real

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I always wondered who could ask these questions... I guess I have my answer.

Why on earth would someone in their right mind ask a prostitute if she likes her job? hahaha what do you expect? her to tell you that she loves it, she's not in it for the money but because she likes to screw guys? get real[/QUOTE]
So are you telling us that when Mick Licker gives one of his MP prostitutes a nice long licking to orgasm, she doesn't really like that part of her job? :D

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I always wondered who could ask these questions... I guess I have my answer.

Why on earth would someone in their right mind ask a prostitute if she likes her job? hahaha what do you expect? her to tell you that she loves it, she's not in it for the money but because she likes to screw guys? get real[/QUOTE]

Ah come on Nic... lighten up a little. Are you still on injured reserve and have pent up frustration?

I'm sure we all know they don't enjoy their jobs (like tulip girls like banging two guys a day and taking up their arses by fat slobs...) and pick their jobs but I'm sure many ask the girls what they enjoy (cowgirl, BJ, Anal, etc...) doing or are good at. I know that even you try to make the session at least tolerable for the service provider even if others don't.

And I'm sure many of us have talked to girls why they are service providers over other jobs or functions or how they got into it or ended up at the place they work. And it is usually these relationships that get us freebie shots on these service providers outside of work time. And they and us actually can enjoy this part of the working relationship.

While we all know being a service provider is not their dream job there are many who have sponsors or are so fully booked that they can pick and choose their customers and get some enjoyment out of it. Heck I know many girls who have one to four customers / sponsors only... And they enjoy that much more then working at Big C for 7,000 baht a month.

Well, finally got back to BKK, arrived slightly late due to boarding out of SFO, late into TPE, but went right to the gate BKK, and off we went. Docked at 02:05, did my usual swift walk to Immigration, no waiting, 10 minutes for my bag and off to taxi stand. Once we got to his taxi, a bright orange new Toyota Atlas, inside he wanted 450 for everything "said he has been waiting a long time at the airport" I told him nicely please turn on the meter. But 03:00 I was checked into the Nana and out I walk along Sukhumvit to check things out. Around and around nothing finally it was around 04:00 and decided to just call it a night but decide to get some supplies at the 7/11 down Soi 4, came out and as I was walking back down to the hotel a drunk or on Yaba lady in her 30's came up and starting telling me feel her pussy it so wet! told to stroke her breast and that I could have her ST, for 500 baht or she would give me a bbbj right outside Hanahan's for 200baht. I decline not even with your dick i was thinking.

As I got rid of her I noticed a women sitting on a chair in the dark right outside of Hanahans she had a smile on her face cause I think she heard and said the whole thing. We both smile, laugh and started small talk... very white skin looked like a Korean but I was really attracted that she had a great pair of legs and the high heels really brought out the muscles in her calves. I was thinking the whole time have them around my back while I was f--king her. She said she was real tired having no customers and was about to call it a night herself. Small talk ended up 1000 baht ST. Back to the hotel we bathe, and DFK, to the bed great BBBJ around the balls and shaft just what I needed after LBM was cramp up for hours on the flight. We ended up 69, and LBM shot CIM. We both fell asleep thereafter naked. At 07:00 the alarm went off, I started to stroke her breast and ended up finishing her inside this time. Got off to a good start this time... gave her 2,000 it was worth it. Might call her tonight if nothing pops up.

LBM

[quote=dextro sol]i haven't been to many fl bars, just had a quick beer at beergarden last november.

what ages of women can one expect to see at those places? youngest and oldest, it would be interesting to hear your point of views about this.

what i mean is, how old are the oldest freelancers? how long do they last in this profession?[/quote]i would suggest it is the same situation as with street walking freelance ladies of the night.

the vast majority, almost every one, in the foreign tourist areas are from about 20 years old to late thirties.

btw, tgs often look 5 to 10 years younger than their western caucasian counterparts of the same age.

so having a small slim young looking 20 year old woman in bkk would be like fuking a mid teenage high school girl in europe or north america.

some would like to exclaim amazing thailand at that thought. still it is not uncommon to see these types of tgs available for the taking, possibly because most pooners are concerned about problems with police re girls that are too young.

in the bars there have been some reports of **** females, but you wouldn't want to go there. they'd also look like ****s.

no doubt the streets also have some like this from time to time, and they may have fake id to go with it.

that could be used as a setup for blackmail, with boyfriends, pimps and or policemen in the mix. so beware.

"live each year like it is your last". "embrace your inner wolf".

pinkpearl the loser, and luvin it.

Another day with only a few hours sleep. Up and early after a quick breakfast took a motorbike taxi to US Embassy for 50 baht got there is 5 minutes. What a deal and out with my documents by 8:45 and 1020 baht less. A hour or so at the Internet and then another hour for a foot massage down Soi 4. After reading the comments on Rin of Hana Massage decide to give it a try thinking what the heck you only live once. I walk all around twice but just couldn't find the place on Soi22 so decide on my backup plan Tulip.

Once inside Tulip I was hoping I didn't bump into JoJo my regular. Wanted to try something new. Threw out some new names Dao, Nadea, Beer,Tuk, but even at 12:30am, everyone was either off or busy.. so she brought out the book and I spotted Nice who was mentioned before. Once she saw me she looked somewhat disappointed! I have seen this look many times and it didn't bother me. After she warmed up I mentioned to her and just as I thought she was thinking who the hell is this Asian guy? Is he Korean, Japanese? In the end she was a real talker and what a session I had with her and can she take a loser and make them a winner! a real cutie pie in my book and she could DFK! even gave me a decent massage as we talk shop. LBM tank is empty, not enough sleep... back to the hotel for a nap... Hope I wait up in time!

Back to Pattaya tomorrow and back to family life... LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I always wondered who could ask these questions... I guess I have my answer.[/QUOTE]I ask similar questions if I know the girl well, but perhaps with a slightly more positive slant, like how often does she get to really enjoy it. What things turn her on, etc. Does she like anal? etc.

I don't ask the girl to do things that she will truelly dislike.

Sometimes they say they don't like DATY, but then orgasm from it, so perhaps they were saying effectively at first "I don't want to get turned on".
Some say they don't like kissing and then kiss wildly.

I like girls who are able to enjoy their work at least sometimes.

After 4 weak mekong soda's and an utter lack of any interesting girls on the stages of patpong's sad go-go bars we came upon electric blue.

Best talent in the area and sangsom too. Not only were there numerous hot girls some of them could and did dance like a go-go girl should.

Okay, it was thur. Night last, guess that was 22 dec? , so the lack of customers might have had something to do with why the sexy girls were still on stage.

Go early, most of the best girls do. But never worry, you'll only lose your turn.

Jan 25th 2009

After I’ve spent 2 great (mostly non-mongering) weeks in Cambodia, Air Asia took me safely and on time back to Bangkok! After a short discussion with my taxi-driver who insisted on 700 THB, then 500 THB and then finally agreed to put on the meter, I arrived back at the Livingstone Lodge at around 7PM. Time for a shower, some clean clothes and a chat up with the wonderfull staff.

Still having exiting memories of my visit to Suzy Wong with Kuun Mick some weeks earlier, a revisit, was an easy decision and I arrived there just before 9pm. Although I was looking for the girl Mick took (she seemed not to be there though) making eye contact with an another absolute stunner was not to difficult. Just as I decided to barfine my new darling, the other girl showed up and as both guaranteed me that they were not only into men but also into each other. All three of us where soon in a taxi back to the Livingstone Lodge! A private lesbian show was on the programme and it didn’t take long before I was so aroused that I just had to participate (yes Mick the girl you barfined on the 8th Jan at Suzy Wong has indeed a wonderful p***y)! It was a wonderful experience and after the girls left, a delicious Pad Thai at the poolside restaurant, I was off to bed. After my rough trip in Cambodia, I needed really needed to catch up some sleep.

After breakfast the next morning, some shopping at Emporium and some work, it was time for a massage at Tulip. April literally fucked the brains out of me (guys, if you are like me and you liked to be fucked rather then you fuck a girl, Tulip is the place to be! ). The rest of the afternoon I spent on shopping, pedicure, face massage, .

After I packed my stuff and a shower, it was time for some beer at the sports bar and although I had no more power for another round, I quickly found a nice date for my last dinner in Thailand! Now, I am back in Belgium and although I don’t regret not following Guido’s advice for a last quickie before my flight home, I am missing Bangkok and I’ll be back soon!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I always wondered who could ask these questions... I guess I have my answer.

Why on earth would someone in their right mind ask a prostitute if she likes her job? hahaha what do you expect? her to tell you that she loves it, she's not in it for the money but because she likes to screw guys? get real[/QUOTE]Why on earth would someone fuck a woman who has fucked the world? You seem to. When I asked the question it was done in a joking way with a big grin. But I am sorry I failed to mention that. I seem to remember many quotes about tulip girls working there "because they like sex".

Asking a girl does she like any part of the job is not the same as asking does she like her job? Example for you as you seem to have difficulty grasping the English language. When I was in the Paras I loved jumping. The buzz was better than sex. But breaking my leg was a fucking ball-ache.

I f I think about it there were parts of the job she liked. So next time you visit a prostitute. Ask them if they enjoyed fucking you. They will probably say no. Then ask about the fun they have at the parlor when they don't have customers. And about how the take care of each other and give each other money when times are hard. And when they have a laugh about customers who think they are god's gifts. And in actuality are the worse fucks on the planet.

Don't question the state of my mind. And you get real. Take a long look in the mirror. Oh and by the way when you read something. Read it properly.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I always wondered who could ask these questions... I guess I have my answer.

Why on earth would someone in their right mind ask a prostitute if she likes her job? hahaha what do you expect? her to tell you that she loves it, she's not in it for the money but because she likes to screw guys? get real[/QUOTE]English for beginners.. Part 1.

Do you like your job? Infers: The person asking the question does not know how a person feels about their job in general.

Is there any part of your job you don’t like? Infers: The person asking the question thinks/knows that the person being asked the question, likes their job in general, but is being asked if there are any aspects of the job he/she does not like.

Is there any part of the job you like? Infers: The person asking the question thinks/knows that the person being asked the question, does not like their job in general, but is being asked if there are any parts of the job they like.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs].
Don't question the state of my mind. And you get real. Take a long look in the mirror. Oh and by the way when you read something. Read it properly.[/QUOTE]

Good advice and well said!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I would suggest it is the same situation as with street walking freelance ladies of the night.

The vast majority, almost every one, in the foreign tourist areas are from about 20 years old to late thirties.[/QUOTE]So late thirties is the among the oldest. Wonder what they do after forty?

Which are the best places for freelancers then? I have heard about Beergarnden and Thermae. And of course Nana parking lot.

Are there any other famous FL bars??

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Example for you as you seem to have difficulty grasping the English language.[/quote]

Well, yeah, it's my 3rd language I admit LOL :D

[quote]Don't question the state of my mind. And you get real. Take a long look in the mirror. Oh and by the way when you read something. Read it properly.[/QUOTE]

I re-read your post and then my reply. Boy I must have come out like a complete Asshole... (which was not the intention). For that I deeply Apologize. There was no bad intent on my part adn having re-read my answer I see it is a little abrupt (lack of Vocabulary maybe?)

Are you still in BKK? if yes, let's meet At Livingstones, I'll buy you a beer

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
I re-read your post and then my reply. Boy I must have come out like a complete Asshole... (which was not the intention). For that I deeply Apologize.
[/QUOTE]
You have appeared a bit moody lately.:confused: Luckily some of us know you better. ;)
Is work frustrating you too much? or some girl got your emotions carried away?

I still miss my last GF but am coping O.K. The remedy is lots of sex. ;)

[QUOTE=Andy Abs] When I was in the Paras I loved jumping.

Don't question the state of my mind. [/QUOTE]

Well I for one, Andy, would question the sanity of someone who would jump from a perfectly serviceable plane :rolleyes:

Only kidding :D

Nic. We are cool. I can see how anyone could make a mistake on that type of question.

I actually live in Thailand, and will be around Bangkok in April, my brother is coming for his yearly unload. I would love to meet up and have a drink, I am sure you could give me a run down on how I could enjoy my 2 weeks of freedom (the wife lets me alone when my brother is here) and we can have a drink.

As for the quote about jumping out of perfectly good aircraft. Couldn't agree more. When I look back, I think what a crazy asshole I was, as I am sure we all do at some stage in later life.

BTW. The girl in my report is not a fuck buddy. I don't think she would have talked so candidly if she was. I am actually training her. A bit like a personal trainer at the gym. Nice body. Solid tits. Ah that's another story to be written maybe.

Take care Nic. I for one love reading anything you write. Don't stop. And may your dick stay hard forever.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]So late thirties is the among the oldest. Wonder what they do after forty?

Which are the best places for freelancers then? I have heard about Beergarnden and Thermae. And of course Nana parking lot.

Are there any other famous FL bars? [/QUOTE]By 40 they've hopefully retired or at least have a business going.

Along Sukhumvit from soi 3 to Cowboy are many freelancer SWs at night, at least on the soi 3 side of the street, especially closer to NEP.

The side streets, soi 3, 5, 7, etc, near Sukh on that route also have some, for example Grace Hotel, not that I'd recommend that particular dump.

And soi 4 near to NEP has many freeagent SWs.

Just my 2 cents US, or 3 Canadian.

[quote=andy abs]why on earth would someone fuck a woman who has fucked the world? [/quote]why take your car for repairs to a guy who has repaired a thousand cars?

especially when the **** girl next door would give it a try for 5 bucks.

Day 4

Not one of the better days I have had in Bangkok but you win some you lose some. Generally it seems that each year I have been the ladies seem to be getting plumper, but this is creating somewhat of a dilemma as I generally prefer the small and slim girls but I find there service to be variable, when I have gone for the, shall we say, more generously built girls, usually because of their smile or face, then I have mostly very good service. Anyway I digress. Started wth going down to star of light in patpong, armed with recommendation to take out, however when I got there no girls appealed to me, after hanging around and drinking a beer or two opted for the on site service as I was already there I thought why not, this is my first time there and I felt somewhat odd doing it in public, whether this contributed to the feeling that this was purely mechanical or not I can't say, but having read the reveiws about the girls techniques there I was somewhat disappointed, girls name sounded like Nit. Anyway after my customerary rub and tug prowled around Soi Cowboy, tried several of the bars but again very few appealed to me and those that did wanted well above market rates such that it did not seem worth trying to negotiate to normal rates. Maybe I was just tired but it felt like a lot of the atmosphere and excitement had gone out of the place. Still there is always tomorrow.

Day 5

After yesterdays limited success reverted to what I know, so off to Akane and had the best session yet, I based my choice on the girls face and smile, she looked like fun, rather than her body as I usually do and it was certainly the best choice, I would rather not disclose her name for reasons that will become aparrant. Anyway went for the S3 service as I normally do and for the very start we hit it off and the session was such that I could barely manage to walk back to Livingstones just down the road. One thing that disturbed me a bit was the impression that the owner of Akane controls his girls lives too much, we arranged to meet on her day off next week but she want to be sure it is not close to Akane as she says that if her boss sees her with a 'boyfriend' he will fire her, I dont know if it is standard policy at all parlours in Bangkok but it disturbs me that the owners can dictate what the girls does on her time off.

[quote=pinkpearl]why take your car for repairs to a guy who has repaired a thousand cars?

especially when the **** girl next door would give it a try for 5 bucks.[/quote]a woman who has fucked the world is experienced yes. but also set in her ways and probably bored. a woman who has fucked half the world is still learning and maybe up for new things. old dogs and new tricks springs to mind.

a mechanic just gets better. and cheaper. he deals with problems and experience does not bitter him.

not being a ****. i would not even look at my "**** neighbour".

[QUOTE=DRRonin]Watch their eyes and their body language when young guys go by. Like everyone else over 40, girls have told me numerous times they don't like going with young guys - and then minutes later when one goes by their eyes light up and they nearly get giddy. It's hard to blame them - I sure would not go with a woman 20 years older than me unless she had a gun to my head.[/QUOTE]Their eyes love the young and handsome. Their wallet and or future loves the provider, usually an middle aged or old fart.

They may also prefer the older men for other reasons, such as, for example, more mature, easier to get along with, etc

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Some say they don't like kissing and then kiss wildly.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and some like to nibble on your lips while smooching.

At least as many enjoy sticking a finger in my ear, i don't know why.

Just another weird TGism, i guess.

Even had one sticking her tongue in there the other day.

Chuckadee!

No spitting into the mouth yet, though, as i saw on a Japanese porn.

[quote=andy abs]a woman who has fucked the world is experienced yes. but also set in her ways and probably bored. a woman who has fucked half the world is still learning and maybe up for new things. old dogs and new tricks springs to mind.

a mechanic just gets better. and cheaper. he deals with problems and experience does not bitter him.

not being a ****. i would not even look at my "**** neighbour".[/quote]i would expect you would not even think about her. that way your balls could rest in peace.

[quote=pinkpearl]i would expect you would not even think about her. that way your balls could rest in peace.[/quote]
no, pink pearl, us non-****s think about children without getting sexually excited. i want to ask you why you even introduced the concept of **** children erm, ahem, 'repairing cars'?

Final parts

Day 6

Now a dilemma, I had two possible options today, the girl I helped in the street or the Akane girl but as neither were P4P I will leave off the details. As she had to work tomorrow and didn't want a late night after an afternon and early evening of fun I was left deciding what to do with the rest of the evening, decided to go to Soi Cowboy to relax with the shows and sit with a few of the girls, ended up in Suzi Wong with 18 and 28 on either side of me and finding that I apparantly had more life left in the old fellow ended up barfining 18 for long time, straight back to the hotel, I can recommend her, a lot of fun and straight on the bed for BBBJ.

Day 7 And feeling seriously jaded now but another experience with Thai girls, had been meeting this girl on and off for sometime as a friend, very reserved etc, I think she is more typical of the mass of Thai girls we never meet, anyway in the afternnon we ended up back at the hotel and she was like a demon uncaged, must be years of pent up frustration, she had to go home to mummy for the evening so that left me in the Livingstones bar, after a few games of pool, barfined one of the new ladies, went down to Spicy club which still has some of the best live music of any of the clubs then bck to the rooms, nice girl and one of the best pair of breasts of any girl I have had in Bangkok.

So thats it, off to airport now feeling completely drained, not much left in the old sacks, will take a few months to recharge then I will be back.

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So after I thought I had finished, I now have one last report. At the airport had a couple of hours to kill so popped into the spa for a massage,not cheap compared to Bangkok but cheaper than UK so a good way to kill an hour or so. Have had the thai massage there before but this time went for the aroma massage, thinking noting else was on offer, but was pleasently surprised, had a very nice sensuous massage ending in relief, hand only on offer but a pleasent surprise nevertheless. Not sure if this is now common but had never had an inkling before, maybe I have just struck lucky, anyone else had similar.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]
At least as many enjoy sticking a finger in my ear, i don't know why.
Just another weird TGism, i guess.
Even had one sticking her tongue in there the other day.
[/QUOTE]
Well you haven't got a pussy!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]
No spitting into the mouth yet, though, as i saw on a Japanese porn.[/QUOTE]
Thais find spitting a highly discusting thing so don't try any of this shit.

[quote=terry terrier]no, pink pearl, us non-****s think about children without getting sexually excited. i want to ask you why you even introduced the concept of **** children erm, ahem, 'repairing cars'? [/quote]good for you. kids do nothing for me, but at least one poster, who is probably bsing, will not even look at them. in that case he should probably not even think about them, either, as i already stated. you disagreed, evidently without understanding the meaning, and mistaking it for something else.

as for the concept introduced, a reading of the original discussion might help you with grasping the point of the analogy i made.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well you haven't got a pussy! [/QUOTE]Even in the movie Borat he refers to his "back pussy".

Men actually have something akin to a woman's sexual organ that can be titillated in the area of the shit hole.

This type of stimulation makes a balls massage and or HJ seem boring.

So when someone calls you a pussy, he is actually stating a medical fact.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Thais find spitting a highly discusting thing so don't try any of this shit.[/QUOTE]Ok, I'll book that for my next trip to Tokyo.

Seriously though I wasn't going to, as I don't even like French kissing, as mentioned in my article on P4P TGs kissing habits.

But after all the other shit they pulled with the ears, and biting my lips {must have been hungry or related to Mike Tyson}, I had concerns as to what they were going to try to pull next. Whew, what a relief. Now maybe the nightmares will cease, and I can rest in peace. Popuncop.

[quote=pinkpearl]i would expect you would not even think about her. that way your balls could rest in peace.[/quote]what the fucking hell are you on about. have you just been beamed down or too much viagra?

analogies on "mechanics", "****s", now "balls rest in peace".

i would suggest to you; that you either say what you mean, in english that is comprehensible, say nothing! you are digging a very big hole. don't fall in!

I’ve just about had it with the spoiled girls here in BKK quoting insane prices. Over the past 2 weeks, I’ve gone to various bars and clubs, and have been quoted the following:

Queens Park – was in here a week ago at one of the bars in the back. Started chatting up this sweetie who was wearing a sun dress. Bought her 2 drinks at 150 baht a pop – she was very nice. She’s 29, so I thought the age factor might give me a reasonable price. I was wrong. She quoted 2000 baht for ST and 4000 baht for LT. She refused to come down on the price, and was adamant that the prices were the same everywhere. “Good luck” was my reply.

Dollhouse – 2000 for ST, 3,000 for LT from a sweetie in there who was 27. Refused to negotiate the price, even after I offered 2k for LT.

Bamboo Bar – This is a club on Soi 1 that’s open late, and many of the bargirls and go-go dancers come here if they haven’t been barfined. Started chatting up this spinner; she was 30 and quite short. Found out she worked at Spice gogo on Cowboy. Chatted her up for awhile and then she told me that she wanted to go with me. Price was 2000 for ST and 4000 for LT. Again, she refused to come down on the price, and when I refused, she took it as an insult: “You don’t like me?” She then started dancing in front of me to try and get me to change my mind. No deal. She's fucking 30 years old? What's she thinking??? I walked out and slept alone.

Suzie Wong’s – Friday night I called a girl from here to come over. She was eating noodles and said she’s be by momentarily. She wanted 2500 for LT. I said 1500, same as last time. She agreed. An hour later she was on my bed but a complete starfish. Her name is Nan, she’s 23 and wears too much mascara. She told me that some dude paid her 2000 baht for ST last night. “Well, he’s an idiot” was my reply. After the deed was done, she said that she had a stomach ache and had to go. Fine, I said. I handed her 1000 baht, which she balked at. She asked for 500 more. “That wasn’t the deal,” I replied. She threw a fit and the word “keeniow” was uttered multiple times, which I took as a compliment. What is this girl thinking? The deal was 1500 for Longtime, not short time. I hate it when these hoes try and up the price afterwards. Anyway, stay away from this girl at Suzie Wong’s.

Patpong – Was walking around – this is a terrible place. Tons of touts – even worse than Walking Street in Pattaya. There’s a bar next to Foodland (forget the name) that had a hot little spinner out front. Started chatting to her and she told me to pay the bar for her. Again, 2000 for ST, 3000 for LT. No thanks.


Who the hell is paying these prices? Idiot tourists, I guess. I live here, and I refuse to pay more than 1,000 for ST, maybe 1500 if she’s really hot. But I’ve negotiated 1500 for LT in the go-go bars of Soi Cowboy before. However, this time of year it just doesn’t seem possible; the majority of these girls just refuse to negotiate. So I guess I’ll be wanking for awhile until April. Next week I’ll be in Pattaya – I know it’s cheaper there at least.

[QUOTE=Mangofan]


Who the hell is paying these prices? Idiot tourists, I guess. I live here, and I refuse to pay more than 1,000 for ST, maybe 1500 if she’s really hot. But I’ve negotiated 1500 for LT in the go-go bars of Soi Cowboy before. However, this time of year it just doesn’t seem possible; the majority of these girls just refuse to negotiate. [/QUOTE]
Yes, stupid tourists are overpaying! I live in LOS too and I never pay more than 1000 ST anywhere in the whole country. There are still plenty of girls who go for 1000ST in bkk, but it's just more work to find them. Recently a lot of nana plaza girls are willing to do 1000 ST.

This sometimes works: Girls asks for 2000ST or 1500ST. You ask her how many hours. She may say 2-3 hours. You suggest 1- 1.5 hours at 1000ST and smile. Or tell her you have a small cock and finish in like 3 min, then laugh. It helps if you can say this in thai and make it a bit fun.

Everything is a joke in thailand. if you can roll with it and negotiate in a fun way, they are more likely to give in.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]What the fucking hell are you on about. [/QUOTE]Post 5054 might help you. Or not. Maybe you just need to get laid and sucked dry.

January 30th Bangkok
On my return from Naklua I decided to stop in at Tukcom and pick up a webcam so I could send some e-mail videos to my kids while on travel. I also saw a pair of 9 watt laptop speakers I’ve been looking for but didn’t have the money to pay for, so I returned to my hotel to get the money. One of the hotel guests mentioned that I should buy those things in Bangkok as electronics were less expensive there, and that he and another hotel guest were leaving in just a couple of hours to Bangkok for a night or two. Of course, doing a quick count I realized that the cost of going to Bangkok for a night or two was certainly going to exceed the 600 baht savings I would realize on the purchase of the speakers at Tukcom, but I had been contemplating a side trip there just so I could see what it was about.
We departed about 1:30 pm that afternoon and arrived at the Dynasty Inn Grande about 3:30 pm. The room was 2,400 baht for the night, with a refundable 500 baht deposit. After a quick cleanup we headed out to a restaurant called Bourbon St restaurant on Soi 22. The food was excellent and reminded me of the taste and quality of food you find in New Orleans. We returned to the hotel and grabbed a nap before heading out for the evening. Our intentions were to hit Nana Plaza and finish the night at Soi Cowboy.
Awakening at 8:30 pm I texted the two other guys and found that one of them had decided to stay in but had a regular coming to his room. The other guy texted back that he would meet me downstairs at 9:30 pm. Catching up in the lobby we headed over to Nana.
Of course, this being my first trip to Bangkok, this was my first time to Nana. I have read descriptions of the place on various websites over the past couple of years or so but, for some odd reason, I was under the impression it was inside of a mall type of structure. You access a courtyard type of area wherein there are several beer bars, and around those are situated 3 or 4 floors (don’t remember how many exactly) of various gogo bars. I have to admit I was a bit disappointed as I thought the place was much larger with many more establishments than it actually had. We stopped in to one whose name I don’t remember and had a quick beer before exiting.
Next we stopped in at Angelwitch. There was a show in progress when we entered. I can pretty much take it or leave it, but it was actually kind of nice watching a show rather than watch a bunch of bored girls shuffle back and forth. We stayed for a bit, having a few beers, when a group of girls approached and mounted the stage. I casually glanced around to check out the talent until my eyes froze upon one in particular. She was beautiful, had small tits (could have used slightly more), and the most perfect ass I’ve seen on a Thai lady thus far. I’ve made the point on a few occasions that I prefer more full bodied women. Not fat, but with enough meat on their bones to at least make a sandwich with. She wasn’t too large nor too small, and perfectly well rounded.
I pointed her out to my accomplice and he confirmed her beauty as well. I sat for the next few minutes admiring her and trying to catch her attention. These women are beautiful, but hard. It almost seemed to me that she could sense when I was trying to capture her attention and deftly avoided my glance (or was it my “I find you so beautiful that I’ve fallen in love with you in just a matter of two minutes and will pay whatever you ask, desperate look?”) Who knows?.
It was about this point my accomplice leaned over to me and said “She’s missing………” Huh? What? Louder, I heard him say “SHE’S MISSING A TOE!” I looked down and, sure as shit, she was missing her pinky toe. WTF, I thought. I was taken aback a bit and wondered how a woman could be so perfect and yet not be perfect. However, being the true monger that I am I leaned over to my buddy and said “I’d still fuck her”. And I would have, had it not been for her Miss Prissy attitude that she displayed the whole while we were there, and the fact that she probably wasn’t interested in me one iota. We finished off our drink and paid the tab.
Earlier I was under the impression that we would be going to Soi Cowboy at some point in the night, but my accomplice informed me that it was midnight by now and things were going to be shutting down at 1:00 am, sharp. Rather than trek on over to Cowboy we decided to hit one more bar in the Nana complex. He took me into some small, corner bar that he had been into previously. There wasn’t much going on there, but w sat and had a drink anyway. After a few minutes I stopped a young lady who was fairly attractive but no beauty queen, and asked her if she’d like a drink, deciding that she’d just have to do for tonight. I called over a few of the other girls and bought a round just to get things moving along.
In talking with my girl I learned that she likes to dance and was, in fact, planning to hit a disco later and asked me if I wanted to come along. I’m not much into the discos, especially when I’m being invited along as a way to make sure that somebody pays the bill. I was starting to wonder whether or not this girl was going to be worth any effort. During this time there was another of the girls who I was flirting with (hey, I’m single) and we seemed to be getting along better than I did with the first girl. Though no beauty (seems to be a recurring theme in my reports) she was fun, flirty, and nasty. She walked over to me and told me what she would do to me if I took her back to my room. I’m always leery about these kinds of claims but, for some reason, I knew she meant it.
I’m not quite sure what happened but lady #1 got up and walked away without a word. I don’t know if lady #2 said something, or maybe it was just a stare, but I didn’t see lady #1 again after that. So, I said to hell with it and told lady #2 to get ready as we were going to the room.
I’ve had some pretty decent experiences so far while here. No real complaints can be made on my part, outside of losing almost a week to being sick. But, the sexual experiences themselves have been satisfying. Tonight lady #2 took things to a higher level. The sex was good, no doubt, but she went beyond that. On the way to the hotel she asked if we could stop at a store and if I could buy her a beer. I said sure but that there was beer in the room. She said no, it was too expensive. What? A beer bar girl who gives a damn about how you spend your money? Back in the room she undressed me, washed my ass for me, tucked a pillow behind my head when the deed was done, making sure it was just right. She treated me like I was her lover. Damn. I lied and told her I was going to be in Bangkok for a couple of weeks and that I would be in to her bar that night. I know, I know, it’s not right, but it always makes departing that much easier, at least for me.
In the final analysis, although I enjoyed myself while out, Bangkok is really not my kind of place. I like the smaller towns and cities with the big venues. I doubt that I’ll ever go back to Bangkok. Unlike Pattaya, where most everything is concentrated, it’s my understanding that many of the venues in Bangkok are spread out over various parts of the city. When I go out I want to barhop. I don’t want to have to city hop.

[QUOTE=Twice Divorced]January 30th Bangkok[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I stopped my reading after the first line... Very difficult to even begin reading. No paragraphs at all.

Well, paragraphs there are. But it would be more reader friendly if he hit enter twice. Usually when reading longer post I copy into Word. And since I have already done the extra line spacing….Enjoy reading Nic

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Sorry, I stopped my reading after the first line... Very difficult to even begin reading. No paragraphs at all.[/QUOTE]



January 30th Bangkok

On my return from Naklua I decided to stop in at Tukcom and pick up a webcam so I could send some e-mail videos to my kids while on travel. I also saw a pair of 9 watt laptop speakers I’ve been looking for but didn’t have the money to pay for, so I returned to my hotel to get the money. One of the hotel guests mentioned that I should buy those things in Bangkok as electronics were less expensive there, and that he and another hotel guest were leaving in just a couple of hours to Bangkok for a night or two. Of course, doing a quick count I realized that the cost of going to Bangkok for a night or two was certainly going to exceed the 600 baht savings I would realize on the purchase of the speakers at Tukcom, but I had been contemplating a side trip there just so I could see what it was about.

We departed about 1:30 pm that afternoon and arrived at the Dynasty Inn Grande about 3:30 pm. The room was 2,400 baht for the night, with a refundable 500 baht deposit. After a quick cleanup we headed out to a restaurant called Bourbon St restaurant on Soi 22. The food was excellent and reminded me of the taste and quality of food you find in New Orleans. We returned to the hotel and grabbed a nap before heading out for the evening. Our intentions were to hit Nana Plaza and finish the night at Soi Cowboy.
Awakening at 8:30 pm I texted the two other guys and found that one of them had decided to stay in but had a regular coming to his room. The other guy texted back that he would meet me downstairs at 9:30 pm. Catching up in the lobby we headed over to Nana.

Of course, this being my first trip to Bangkok, this was my first time to Nana. I have read descriptions of the place on various websites over the past couple of years or so but, for some odd reason, I was under the impression it was inside of a mall type of structure. You access a courtyard type of area wherein there are several beer bars, and around those are situated 3 or 4 floors (don’t remember how many exactly) of various gogo bars. I have to admit I was a bit disappointed as I thought the place was much larger with many more establishments than it actually had. We stopped in to one whose name I don’t remember and had a quick beer before exiting.

Next we stopped in at Angelwitch. There was a show in progress when we entered. I can pretty much take it or leave it, but it was actually kind of nice watching a show rather than watch a bunch of bored girls shuffle back and forth. We stayed for a bit, having a few beers, when a group of girls approached and mounted the stage. I casually glanced around to check out the talent until my eyes froze upon one in particular. She was beautiful, had small tits (could have used slightly more), and the most perfect ass I’ve seen on a Thai lady thus far. I’ve made the point on a few occasions that I prefer more full bodied women. Not fat, but with enough meat on their bones to at least make a sandwich with. She wasn’t too large nor too small, and perfectly well rounded.
I pointed her out to my accomplice and he confirmed her beauty as well. I sat for the next few minutes admiring her and trying to catch her attention. These women are beautiful, but hard. It almost seemed to me that she could sense when I was trying to capture her attention and deftly avoided my glance (or was it my “I find you so beautiful that I’ve fallen in love with you in just a matter of two minutes and will pay whatever you ask, desperate look?”) Who knows?.

It was about this point my accomplice leaned over to me and said “She’s missing………” Huh? What? Louder, I heard him say “SHE’S MISSING A TOE!” I looked down and, sure as shit, she was missing her pinky toe. WTF, I thought. I was taken aback a bit and wondered how a woman could be so perfect and yet not be perfect. However, being the true monger that I am I leaned over to my buddy and said “I’d still fuck her”. And I would have, had it not been for her Miss Prissy attitude that she displayed the whole while we were there, and the fact that she probably wasn’t interested in me one iota. We finished off our drink and paid the tab.

Earlier I was under the impression that we would be going to Soi Cowboy at some point in the night, but my accomplice informed me that it was midnight by now and things were going to be shutting down at 1:00 am, sharp. Rather than trek on over to Cowboy we decided to hit one more bar in the Nana complex. He took me into some small, corner bar that he had been into previously. There wasn’t much going on there, but w sat and had a drink anyway. After a few minutes I stopped a young lady who was fairly attractive but no beauty queen, and asked her if she’d like a drink, deciding that she’d just have to do for tonight. I called over a few of the other girls and bought a round just to get things moving along.

In talking with my girl I learned that she likes to dance and was, in fact, planning to hit a disco later and asked me if I wanted to come along. I’m not much into the discos, especially when I’m being invited along as a way to make sure that somebody pays the bill. I was starting to wonder whether or not this girl was going to be worth any effort. During this time there was another of the girls who I was flirting with (hey, I’m single) and we seemed to be getting along better than I did with the first girl. Though no beauty (seems to be a recurring theme in my reports) she was fun, flirty, and nasty. She walked over to me and told me what she would do to me if I took her back to my room. I’m always leery about these kinds of claims but, for some reason, I knew she meant it.
I’m not quite sure what happened but lady #1 got up and walked away without a word. I don’t know if lady #2 said something, or maybe it was just a stare, but I didn’t see lady #1 again after that. So, I said to hell with it and told lady #2 to get ready as we were going to the room.

I’ve had some pretty decent experiences so far while here. No real complaints can be made on my part, outside of losing almost a week to being sick. But, the sexual experiences themselves have been satisfying. Tonight lady #2 took things to a higher level. The sex was good, no doubt, but she went beyond that. On the way to the hotel she asked if we could stop at a store and if I could buy her a beer. I said sure but that there was beer in the room. She said no, it was too expensive. What? A beer bar girl who gives a damn about how you spend your money? Back in the room she undressed me, washed my ass for me, tucked a pillow behind my head when the deed was done, making sure it was just right. She treated me like I was her lover. Damn. I lied and told her I was going to be in Bangkok for a couple of weeks and that I would be in to her bar that night. I know, I know, it’s not right, but it always makes departing that much easier, at least for me.

In the final analysis, although I enjoyed myself while out, Bangkok is really not my kind of place. I like the smaller towns and cities with the big venues. I doubt that I’ll ever go back to Bangkok. Unlike Pattaya, where most everything is concentrated, it’s my understanding that many of the venues in Bangkok are spread out over various parts of the city. When I go out I want to barhop. I don’t want to have to city hop.

[quote=pinkpearl]good for you. kids do nothing for me, but at least one poster, who is probably bsing, will not even look at them. in that case he should probably not even think about them, either, as i already stated. you disagreed, evidently without understanding the meaning, and mistaking it for something else.

as for the concept introduced, a reading of the original discussion might help you with grasping the point of the analogy i made.[/quote]

ok, i re-read everything: and you are still the only poster trying to introduce ****s to the discussions.

never mind all the other posters flagging up your strange tastes, i'm astonished that jackson hasn't dealt with you summarily.

[quote=pinkpearl]post 5054 might help you. or not. maybe you just need to get laid and sucked dry.[/quote]5054 is just inane rambling! go back and be honest with yourself. it does not make sense at all. is english your first language?

the original disagreement was with me and nic when he did not read the post correctly. quote "who would ask a parlor girl if they enjoyed there job" which is not what i asked, but anyway. to show sarcasm and irony i asked "who would fuck a girl who has fucked the world". ironic statement! understand!

then you have introduced ****s. fuck knows how. or were you stupidly trying to suggest that having prostitutes in the world stops ****s. because if you were then you need to think again! ****s like sex with children. and would not bother with a 30 year old hooker. explain your thinking or shut the fuck up!

"maybe i should get laid or sucked dry"! i have a beautiful wife. and i mean beautiful. i have regular women (non p4p workers) that i see and when my brother visits i enjoy all that thailand has to offer. i don't need to do fuck all. i think actually maybe i should stay of sex for a while.

ps. i am bored with this. so either put up or shut up and move on to more important things, like what was you last experience or the weather.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]You are digging a very big hole. Don't fall in![/QUOTE]
He already fell in. Can he get out?

[quote=tim bone]well, paragraphs there are. but it would be more reader friendly if he hit enter twice. usually when reading longer post i copy into word. and since i have already done the extra line spacing….enjoy reading
[/quote]

shame you didn't cut the extraneous detail and verbiage as well. but that would have about left a 2 line report :rolleyes:

but that is just my opinion and i know many out there like the intimately detailed reports so keep them coming td :d.

[quote=andy abs]what the fucking hell are you on about. have you just been beamed down or too much viagra?

analogies on "mechanics", "****s", now "balls rest in peace".

i would suggest to you; that you either say what you mean, in english that is comprehensible, say nothing! you are digging a very big hole. don't fall in![/quote]

refreshing to have some no nonsense, acerbic, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] taking 'squaddie' wit on the forum.

and i thought that i was the only one ;).

i have been lurking around this forum for a couple of years and have made two prior visits to bkk. this is my first contribution here. all in all i have had an excellent experience but i have made many mistakes along the way. i'd like to thank everyone on this forum for all the great advice and reports you have provided. right now i'm planning my third visit in about two weeks. true to my handle, i tend to say what the hell and go for it. so far i've been one of those guys who overpays and tends to get stuck with just one girl for each trip. on the first trip i made the mistake of paying 4000 lt plus the bar fine for the same girl over a three day trip who was great in bed but ended up costing a lot more than i probably should have paid. the second trip i went to eden first and then again paid 4000 lt plus bar fine at suzie wong's. the second day i went to the beergarden and ended up with the same massage girl who said she was on holiday for the rest of the trip who didn't ask for any money and only wanted to give great thai massages and f****. she was a real gfe and we ended up going sightseeing taking a river speedboat to the temples and end the evening taking a romantic night time dinner cruise. but then i couldn't get rid of her because she had made up her mind she was going to stay with me until i left to catch my plane. after the third day i tried to get rid of her but she just wouldn't hear of leaving no matter what i said and i didn't want to throw her out. but i really wanted to try someone new by this time. so this time i'm planning on sticking with the mp’s, especially tulips and eden once again. this time i would like to try a take-out from eden if possible for at lease one night. i'm planning on only doing st if i find anyone at the go-go bars this time and wondering how well i will be able to negotiate this time. so far i have stayed at the president solarium and the president hotels which are both on soi 11. this time i plan to stay at the livingstone because of all the great recommendations from this forum. i'm looking forward to checking out their sports bar and staff. it's been almost a year since my last trip and during that time i have been trying to learn a little thai from tapes books and cds but it has been very difficult since no one speaks thai where i live. i can't even find some decent thai restaurants in my area. so i am really looking forward to getting a chance to try a little out, even though i know i'm not very good at all. i'm not sure there's any value in posting reports about my last two visits but i will be reporting on this upcoming experience.

i'll let you know how it turns out. any recommendations would be welcome.

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[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]OK, I re-read everything: And you are still the only poster trying to introduce {snip} to the discussions.

{snip} I'm astonished that Jackson hasn't dealt with you summarily.[/QUOTE]In truth it was you who introduced sex with said group. OTOH I made an analogy about mechanics fixing cars, to make a point that had nothing to do with that subject. So maybe Jackson should deal with you, instead, eh? BTW, did you understand that point yet?

Now getting back on the topic of this site and thread, there has been some discussion here recently about whether or not TGs prefer young handsome men. Here are a few quotes from After Dark magazine, Volume 2.

"I like a man who looks good, is very funny and can teach me how to be a leader. " {Nueng, age 23}

"What do I look for in a man? A handsome good man, with a good heart. " {Ann, aged 21}

"I like a man with a big heart and a nice ass" {Fawn, aged 19}

After Dark magazine contains pics of bar and club girls in Bangkok and Pattaya and is available for sale for about 5 dollars in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Refreshing to have some no nonsense, acerbic, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] taking 'squaddie' wit on the forum. [/QUOTE]
Whoops.
"Para v squaddie comparison" alert!
I will withdraw to a safe distance in case a blue touch-paper has just been lit ..... :)
British Armed Forces acerbic, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] taking wit always welcome though.

[quote=pink pearl]in truth it was you who introduced sex with said group. otoh i made an analogy about mechanics fixing cars, to make a point that had nothing to do with that subject[/quote]


[quote=pink pearl]why take your car for repairs to a guy who has repaired a thousand cars?

especially when the **** girl next door would give it a try for 5 bucks.[/quote]
[quote=andy abs]not being a ****. i would not even look at my "**** neighbour".[/quote]
[quote=pink pearl]i would expect you would not even think about her. that way your balls could rest in peace.[/quote]

no, pink pearl, there's the truth in your own words. can you hear me down there?

Try posting under Travel Plans and Announcements and maybe you can hook up with a fellow member who will be there same time as you and you can hang together. It sure is a lot more fun, especially if you are new to the game.

[quote=terry terrier]no, pink pearl, there's the truth in your own words. can you hear me down there?[/quote]actually a more complete and enlightened summary is as follows.

post 5043 i made an analogy with nothing to do with sex with preeteens, nor any mention of it. btw, have you grasped the point of that yet?

post 5046 aa, for some reason, introduces the words **** and states that he would not even look at a preeteen. totally irrelevant and off the point.

post 5049 i respond to aa re not even thinking about said group.

post 5050 you talk about ****s and sex with children.

post 5054 i clear up your apparent misunderstanding.

post 5063 you state i am "the only poster trying to introduce preeteens
to the discussions".

post 5068 i say the following.

"in truth it was you who introduced sex with said group. otoh i made an analogy about mechanics fixing cars, to make a point that had nothing to do with that subject."

lol! thanks for the laugh.

"liquor up front, poker in back" the love guru

"i eat the pussy, i eat the butt, i eat everything" samuel l. jackson

[QUOTE=Go Forit]
IThis time I plan to stay at the Livingstone because of all the great recommendations from this forum. I'm looking forward to checking out their sports bar and staff. I'll let you know how it turns out. Any recommendations would be welcome.QUOTE]

Recommendations? Go to LL and go to the sports bar. But do as I say and not as I do...make very sure the girls know you will "butterfly". Otherwise you could repeat the experience of having a lady claim you as "hers"....it happens all the time and I get caught more often than I will admit in this Forum.

Send me a PM ... I am trying my best to be in BKK in a few weeks.

~TTG

[quote=pinkpearl]actually a more complete and enlightened summary is as follows.

post 5043 i made an analogy with nothing to do with sex with preeteens, nor any mention of it. btw, have you grasped the point of that yet?

post 5046 aa, for some reason, introduces the words **** and states that he would not even look at a preeteen. totally irrelevant and off the point.

post 5049 i respond to aa re not even thinking about said group.

post 5050 you talk about ****s and sex with children.

post 5054 i clear up your apparent misunderstanding.

post 5063 you state i am "the only poster trying to introduce preeteens
to the discussions".

post 5068 i say the following.

"in truth it was you who introduced sex with said group. otoh i made an analogy about mechanics fixing cars, to make a point that had nothing to do with that subject."

lol! thanks for the laugh.

"liquor up front, poker in back" the love guru

"i eat the pussy, i eat the butt, i eat everything" samuel l. jackson[/quote]jesus h christ man. i have never heard a man as full of shit as you. you talked about paying your **** neighbour for a rumble. or that is how i and the rest of the world interpreted it. only your warped mind denies it. by the way i introduced the "****" word, as the word "****" indicates someone under the age of 13. a minor! therefore sex with a minor would be given the label "****". you need to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] or get of the pot. your denial just makes you look more like some "charlie chester". now for the sake of everyone's sanity, change the fucking subject! lets hear about what you get up to in your life. as long as it is not with the neighbour or their cat's and dogs.

Covert Operation.

Tonight I am on a covert operation. I have to free a young Filipina from the SFIT terrorist group. (Sexually frustrated in Thailand. Due to the fact she is working here and hubby is in the Philippines).

Insertion will be in the Sukhumvit area at 19:00 hrs. Exact entry point is none of your business. I will proceed to remove sexual frustrations from the mountainous areas to the north of the Y valley. Approximately 15 minutes later I will move down to the cave system amongst the wild brush area in the Y valley. I shall force entry into the front cave system and plant an IED in the form of an orgasm. After clearing all signs of frustrations within said area I shall proceed to the rear cave system. I will check for previous signs of forced entry. And if the locals complain too much I will extract without any form of entry.

For the non military personnel on this site: I am of to fuck a lovely Filipina who has not been touched for a year. I use the word covert, because if my wife finds out, I will be the first casualty in this operation. The best thing about this is. Hours of free sex with a GFE that would stiffen the limpest of dicks. I will update on the mission in the morning. (I hope).

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[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Covert Operation.

Tonight I am on a covert operation... [/QUOTE]

Brill - don't forget the parachute for the insertion phase.

Just hope you don't come across Osana in the rear cave system :D.

Just found this in The Nation:

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30095068/Police-bust-swinging-party,-arrest-13-foreign-men[/URL]

Our hobby seams to become more dangerous :) ...


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Just found this in The Nation:

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30095068/Police-bust-swinging-party,-arrest-13-foreign-men[/URL]

Our hobby seams to become more dangerous :) ...

Giotto[/QUOTE]Damn! That's frightening! I was looking into attending a similar party. I guess someone should have given the police a special invitation in advance. But you never know if that would work for you or against you.

I'm a bit surprised. After all, this was a "private" party. Any idea why the police wanted to get involved?

Great Guy

if you've recently cum to thailand and in particular bangkok, then you've gone from nowhere to now here.

while i was on her in mish she had her fingers massaging on and around the glory hole, which was a nice touch and made the overall experience twice as pleasurable. this was only after her thick lips had waxed the pole for a good half hour. great service and another nice pickup from nana parking lot.

i had no problem tipping her an extra 500 beyond the usual rate for a st as she was slim all over and quite attractive in the face. though likely in her mid 20's she could have passed for 18 by western standards, but not preeteen! not one of those who one would be concerned about and want to check her id card.

definitely a keeper and a pleasure to help out a lady who has a young child. friendly but very business like as i prefer. good tongue and hand massage, decent kisser.

"darren, if you're uncle jack helped you off an elephant, would you help your uncle jack off an elephant" love guru

"cash, gas, or ass. no one rides for free" sign on elephant

"he has plenty of clarity, organization, charm and knowledge" cock

[quote=andy abs]jesus h christ man. i have never heard a man as full of shit as you. you talked about paying your **** neighbour for a rumble.[/quote]really? that is hilarious.

[quote=andy abs]or that is how i and the rest of the world interpreted it. only your warped mind denies it.[/quote]so i am outnumbered, what, 7 billion to one, eh? lol!

[QUOTE=Giotto]Just found this in The Nation:

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30095068/Police-bust-swinging-party,-arrest-13-foreign-men[/URL]

Our hobby seams to become more dangerous :) ...

Giotto[/QUOTE]Depends upon which hobby. This was not a mongering party but a swingers party. The majority of attendees to the parties this Brit-Thai couple organized were local expats with their Thai and falang wives. Some single men were allowed and the couple live with several single Thai woman who often joined as well. The Thai wife was the main organizer and the Brit husband played host for the most part. I attended their Pattaya party with my wife last year and it was a great time. They also organized a private party for us in Bangkok since we weren't going to be around on a Wed. They don't deserve this.

Here 2 days on my second trip. General impressions especially in comparison to my last trip 5 years ago:

- the quality in Nana Plaza is pretty low. I saw one "maybe" in 2 nights. The ladyboys are taking over more of the second level. The third level is turning into a ghost town with more places closed than open.

- no nudity at all that I could see in Nana; many places in Soi Cowboy had topless or nude dancers

- the "streaming of the bar girls" after the 2am closing is fun to watch as they all flow past the narrow opening to the plaza. Unfortunately the only nice bodies were all ladyboys (most of whom are at least 6 inches taller than the ladies).

- Soi Cowboy was definitely better than Nana last night with a few "possibles". The guy next to me in the Long Bar got nailed in the forehead by a banana "flung" by the pussy gymnast on stage (we were sitting in the last row). He took it well.

[quote=go forit]i have been lurking around this forum for a couple of years and have made two prior visits to bkk. this is my first contribution here. all in all i have had an excellent experience but i have made many mistakes along the way. i'd like to thank everyone on this forum for all the great advice and reports you have provided. right now i'm planning my third visit in about two weeks. true to my handle, i tend to say what the hell and go for it. so far i've been one of those guys who overpays and tends to get stuck with just one girl for each trip. on the first trip i made the mistake of paying 4000 lt plus the bar fine for the same girl over a three day trip who was great in bed but ended up costing a lot more than i probably should have paid. the second trip i went to eden first and then again paid 4000 lt plus bar fine at suzie wong's. the second day i went to the beergarden and ended up with the same massage girl who said she was on holiday for the rest of the trip who didn't ask for any money and only wanted to give great thai massages and f****. she was a real gfe and we ended up going sightseeing taking a river speedboat to the temples and end the evening taking a romantic night time dinner cruise. but then i couldn't get rid of her because she had made up her mind she was going to stay with me until i left to catch my plane. after the third day i tried to get rid of her but she just wouldn't hear of leaving no matter what i said and i didn't want to throw her out. but i really wanted to try someone new by this time. so this time i'm planning on sticking with the mp’s, especially tulips and eden once again. this time i would like to try a take-out from eden if possible for at lease one night. i'm planning on only doing st if i find anyone at the go-go bars this time and wondering how well i will be able to negotiate this time. so far i have stayed at the president solarium and the president hotels which are both on soi 11. this time i plan to stay at the livingstone because of all the great recommendations from this forum. i'm looking forward to checking out their sports bar and staff. it's been almost a year since my last trip and during that time i have been trying to learn a little thai from tapes books and cds but it has been very difficult since no one speaks thai where i live. i can't even find some decent thai restaurants in my area. so i am really looking forward to getting a chance to try a little out, even though i know i'm not very good at all. i'm not sure there's any value in posting reports about my last two visits but i will be reporting on this upcoming experience.

i'll let you know how it turns out. any recommendations would be welcome.

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i stay at livingstones or lotus novotel when in bk. great spot. lots of bars. some of the bars the girls & mama will hustle you all night for drinks & others are very relaxed. apart from going to eden which is a must, you wont need to leave soi 33. just tell the girl you are on business & leaving the next day & try find another girl or 3 in another bar. there are about 15 on soi 33.

sports bar at livingstones has some nice girls, renoir is excellent, some good lookers, the office also has some great quality. christies has some very good lookers but watch out for mama trying to hustle you for drinks. she is also a serious pool shark.

you will be in monger central staying at livingstones. only downside is if you take a livingstone girl you may get stuck trying to sneak a different one in the next night. that is if you are a softy. maybe take a livingstones girl on the last night.

if you want to get a little variety in the nightclub scene try spazo at novotel siam square - russians, africans & thai wgs , spicy at the ambassador nana.

imho the best mp is utopia. some outstanding girls there. very expensive tho. girlsstart at 3000 baht up to 8000 baht.

hope this helps.

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[QUOTE=JPF]
- no nudity at all that I could see in Nana; many places in Soi Cowboy had topless or nude dancers.[/QUOTE]


This is exactly why I haven't been to Nana in months. No nudity. What's the fucking point? If I'm going to be paying 140 baht for a beer, I better be seeing some titties. Nana Plaza is the most disgusting place in Thailand, with the worst kind of tourists. It's like they rounded up the worst of the worst in Pattaya and Bangkok and put them all in one square block. Believe it or not, I find Cowboy much cleaner and more fun, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Mangofan]Nana Plaza is the most disgusting place in Thailand, with the worst kind of tourists. [/QUOTE]
Are you there for the tourists?
I do agree that the beer is way overpriced.

[quote=giotto]just found this in the nation:

[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30095068/police-bust-swinging-party,-arrest-13-foreign-men[/url]

our hobby seams to become more dangerous :) ...


giotto[/quote]

it's still in the news this morning with pics as well. it's been plastered across thai tv. of course they are over-playing this because it's part and parcel of the extreme shift to the right, rising anti-farang, thailand for thais mind-set. the evil farang are to blame for all of thailand's ills. i actually overheard a discussion about this among thais in the faculty lounge this week. they, of course didn't know that i could understand them.

this is all laughable given that the current scandal in thailand concerns the gay orgies in temples, not to mention the long-standing scandal of monks having sex with both **** boys and girls.

Really? That is hilarious.

So I am outnumbered, what, 7 billion to one, eh? LOL![/QUOTE]You really are the weirdest wanker here. But I forgive you. Being senile is not your fault. It happens to some of us. Keep taking the tablets. I am sure you won't get more boring than you already are.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Covert Operation.

Tonight I am on a covert operation. I have to free a young Filipina from the SFIT terrorist group. (Sexually frustrated in Thailand. Due to the fact she is working here and hubby is in the Philippines).

Insertion will be in the Sukhumvit area at 19:00 hrs. Exact entry point is none of your business. I will proceed to remove sexual frustrations from the mountainous areas to the north of the Y valley. Approximately 15 minutes later I will move down to the cave system amongst the wild brush area in the Y valley. I shall force entry into the front cave system and plant an IED in the form of an orgasm. After clearing all signs of frustrations within said area I shall proceed to the rear cave system. I will check for previous signs of forced entry. And if the locals complain too much I will extract without any form of entry.[/QUOTE]

I haven't a clue what he's talking about.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Covert Operation.
For the non military personnel on this site: I am of to fuck a lovely Filipina who has not been touched for a year. I use the word covert, because if my wife finds out, I will be the first casualty in this operation. The best thing about this is. Hours of free sex with a GFE that would stiffen the limpest of dicks. I will update on the mission in the morning. (I hope).
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Retired Army]I haven't a clue what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]Don't worry! Just thought I would add some military homour to a "I'm going to get laid tonight story"!

Pussy alert.

16 stone ex Para foiled and subdued by 5 stone midget Thai wife. The quote "it’s not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog", seems to spring to mind.

On arrival at Asoke BTS station the phone rings. Conversation as follows. "Hi honey! Where are youuu! (You know how the Thais hang onto the last syllable) " "Uh. Um. Well. Asoke"!

"What you doing there"? (Tone has changed to a growl)

"Just going to see a friend" (Arse starts to twitch)

" Well I am sick and am In Central Bang Na It won’t take you long to get here". Phone goes dead. Fuck it! Dilemma. If I don’t go home I am going to get the hole. A nice tight one, but I will also have to face the dwarf from hell. And fucking days of misery.

I also know if I go home the only pussy I am going to see is a reflection in the mirror, due to the fact the wife has the painters in. So being the hard bastard that I am. I quickly called my little Filipino to arrange another day and proceeded to get a taxi. It is so annoying when you give the Misses a load of money to have the day out. Then she goes sick and fucks up the plans. And to add insult you don’t even get the money back.

I am not certain either but one thing is for sure, don't you think it was a mistake for Andy Abs to take this horny Filipino lady to the swingers party ....

[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30095068/Police-bust-swinging-party,-arrest-13-foreign-men[/url]

[QUOTE=Retired Army]I haven't a clue what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bearsk]I am not certain either but one thing is for sure, don't you think it was a mistake for Andy Abs to take this horny Filipino lady to the swingers party.

[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30095068/Police-bust-swinging-party,.arrest-13-foreign-men[/url][/QUOTE]Not guilty. I do know a woman who was there. But alas. That evening I was at home watching TV. Actually I'm not really into sharing my toys. Swingers party. Not my style. Yet!

[QUOTE=Mangofan]This is exactly why I haven't been to Nana in months. No nudity. What's the fucking point? If I'm going to be paying 140 baht for a beer, I better be seeing some titties. Nana Plaza is the most disgusting place in Thailand, with the worst kind of tourists. It's like they rounded up the worst of the worst in Pattaya and Bangkok and put them all in one square block. Believe it or not, I find Cowboy much cleaner and more fun, but to each his own.[/QUOTE]

I remember a first trip to Nana in 1992. Pretty boring then, with no nudity but B35 beers (at B25=$1). ST was B300 and I forget the BF. But back then neither Nana nor Cowboy had any nudity, just some places in Patpong.

Nana hit its peak around 1998-99, when some shows even featured toy DPs. Bars could ride the wave to put drink prices up again and again, but then the show quality crashed with social order but the drink prices stayed (to this day!) You've got niche players like Rainbow as the take-out meat market and Angelwitch doing what they can on shows, but the rest is pretty lame. Cowboy was barely hanging on back when Nana was at its peak and now tables are turned.

FWIW, one way to get some hotel deals is to book over Travelocity or Expedia using some of the promo codes floating around. There's one on a coors box with code NFL50 good through the end of the month for bookings through March that's $50-off-3-days. It's REUSABLE as well and you don't need a physical coupon.

So I broke up 15 hotel nights in BKK and Pattaya into 5 3-day blocks and used the thing 5 times, twice on the Beverly Plaza in Pattaya at $13.80 a day nett for 2 people including breakfast, and the Royal Asia Lodge in BKK at $17.30 a day nett for 2. Plenty of other choices are out there as well if you're not as cheap as me (I know the reviews on both those hotels have been mixed). At the high end the Grand Sukhumvit on soi 6 (former Sofitel, I think) was listing at $65 before discounts.

[QUOTE=Go Forit] So far I've been one of those guys who overpays and tends to get stuck with just one girl for each trip. On the first trip I made the mistake of paying 4000 LT plus the bar fine for the same girl over a three day trip who was great in bed but ended up costing a lot more than I probably should have paid. [/QUOTE]

Dude! The one's related to the other (pay to clinginess), as you're probably seeing. U gotta find the going rate and be willing to be called a Cheap Charlie, even if you really aren't (the real Cheap Charlies are the ones using door-knockers or bargaining rates well below the going rate at 3 a.m.). Don't ruin it for the rest of us.

BTW, I think Thai girls can be great fun and all that, but I give the Philippines clear advantage in the GFE area. Many more multi-day keepers, and for less money.

Guys,

Have RTTF but haven't found specifics on whether BKK has strip clubs like in Canada or the US. Good clubs where you hot babes are dancing and you can either go for a lap dance or get a champagne room with them for an hour where a lot goes on (of course, depending on the club).

Let me qualify. I'm not always in the mood for going all the way and would love to run through half a dozen of the beauties there in a couple of hours feeling them up in a strip club type of situation. Obviously I've got a thing for lap dances!

This is also, in my experience, a geat way to start an evening and then get on to a LT with one of them or one of the many others available.

Any ideas/ recommendations?

Cheers/ Pulse

[QUOTE=Pulse0101]Guys,

Have RTTF but haven't found specifics on whether BKK has strip clubs like in Canada or the US. Good clubs where you hot babes are dancing and you can either go for a lap dance or get a champagne room with them for an hour where a lot goes on (of course, depending on the club).

Let me qualify. I'm not always in the mood for going all the way and would love to run through half a dozen of the beauties there in a couple of hours feeling them up in a strip club type of situation. Obviously I've got a thing for lap dances!

This is also, in my experience, a geat way to start an evening and then get on to a LT with one of them or one of the many others available.

Any ideas/ recommendations?

Cheers/ Pulse[/QUOTE]
You need to get more open minded to different styles and get yourself reprogrammed.

We don't have put up with tabletop style ripoffs in Thailand.

There is call for strip tease in Thailand because girls can be just dancing naked or if you want titillation they can be wearing see through or wearing short skirts with no knickers on underneath. It would be very tiresome for them to start dressed and gradually take this gear off.

I would suggest you check out the following bars in Soi Cowboy:
Suzi Wong for nude dancing and erotic shows
Baccarat for looking up girls skirts with no knickers
Shark for pretty girls wearing see through stuff
Long Gun for nude dancing and dirty disgusting shows
There are petting and blow job bars too.

You can pay girls at the bar to do special strips for you if you like ro take them home and ask for strips before you do the deed.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101]Guys,

Have RTTF but haven't found specifics on whether BKK has strip clubs like in Canada or the US. Good clubs where you hot babes are dancing and you can either go for a lap dance or get a champagne room with them for an hour where a lot goes on (of course, depending on the club).

Let me qualify. I'm not always in the mood for going all the way and would love to run through half a dozen of the beauties there in a couple of hours feeling them up in a strip club type of situation. Obviously I've got a thing for lap dances!

This is also, in my experience, a geat way to start an evening and then get on to a LT with one of them or one of the many others available.

Any ideas/ recommendations?

Cheers/ Pulse[/QUOTE]In Patpong 2 there is a bar called The Strip. I think it comes close to what u are looking for. There are girls dancing on the floor AND there are (small) cubicles. You pay 500 or something then you can go with the gal of your choice into a cubicle and what you do there is up 2 u and her.

In the Japanese clubs u can get a private champagne-room and much more. But only Japanese men are allowed (in general).

[QUOTE=Retired Army]I haven't a clue what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]
There's a surprise :D.

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Don't worry! Just thought I would add some military homour to a "I'm going to get laid tonight story"![/QUOTE]


Wow, one can get laid in Bangkok. I never knew that!!!

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]There is call for strip tease in Thailand because girls can be just dancing naked or if you want titillation they can be wearing see through or wearing short skirts with no knickers on underneath. It would be very tiresome for them to start dressed and gradually take this gear off.[/QUOTE]That makes sense - thanks for clarifying.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I would suggest you check out the following bars in Soi Cowboy:
Suzi Wong for nude dancing and erotic shows
Baccarat for looking up girls skirts with no knickers
Shark for pretty girls wearing see through stuff
Long Gun for nude dancing and dirty disgusting shows
There are petting and blow job bars too.
You can pay girls at the bar to do special strips for you if you like ro take them home and ask for strips before you do the deed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the info.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]You need to get more open minded to different styles and get yourself reprogrammed.[/QUOTE]Soap Fan - that's uncalled for.

I am very open minded - as for reprogramming myself - no thank you. I'm good.
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]We don't have put up with tabletop style ripoffs in Thailand.[/QUOTE]We don't have to put up with tabletop style or otherwise ripoffs anywhere in the world. It needn't be a ripoff (that's the purpose of an awesome board like this) and neither does it have to be that you only get a bang for your buck if you screw the girl senseless. As you know and have evidenced in the rest of your post (thank you), there are multiple joys available in the LOS and each of us has a different take on what constitutes joy. I enjoy the strip clubs for the hot lapdances with a bunch of hotties that "may" lead to more. I can always choose to go for the "more" directly - that's far easier to get especially in BKK.

[QUOTE=Satrai2000]In Patpong 2 there is a bar called The Strip. I think it comes close to what u are looking for. There are girls dancing on the floor AND there are (small) cubicles. You pay 500 or something then you can go with the gal of your choice into a cubicle and what you do there is up 2 u and her.

In the Japanese clubs u can get a private champagne-room and much more. But only Japanese men are allowed (in general).[/QUOTE]Thanks Satrai - The Strip sounds like exactly what I would like. From what I've read on the board, Soi Cowboy seems to be a better place than Patpong - do you or other BKK experts know of such bars in Cowboy or NEP?

Thanks in advance/ Pulse.

Sounds like you were having your own disaster anyway...

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Not guilty. I do know a woman who was there. But alas. That evening I was at home watching TV. Actually I'm not really into sharing my toys. Swingers party. Not my style. Yet![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mangofan]

Who the hell is paying these prices? Idiot tourists, I guess. I live here, and I refuse to pay more than 1,000 for ST, maybe 1500 if she’s really hot. But I’ve negotiated 1500 for LT in the go-go bars of Soi Cowboy before. However, this time of year it just doesn’t seem possible; the majority of these girls just refuse to negotiate. So I guess I’ll be wanking for awhile until April. Next week I’ll be in Pattaya – I know it’s cheaper there at least.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I am afraid that some of the problems you have might be with yourself.
Ok I am a tourist and therefore some idiot in your mind and may not know the history of P4P price levels.

But reading most of the posts and successful and enjoyable reports probably you may need to adjust your price level from some glory days in the past.

A good looking 'cowboy' girl may never go with less then 2000, but settlement from a 3000 quote to a 2500 and then sometimes 2000 is always possible.

Your negotiation style may be a bit impolite as I assume, reading that the girls even refuse to negotiate the price. This never happens to me, however I am also polite in negotiating and fighting too much just throwing numbers around will not increase later performance. There is an intelligent way of negotiating w/o hurting each other.

If you counter her 3000 offer with: '1500 and no baht more or fuck yourself' she will know that you may be one of the troublesome cheep charlies anyhow and isn't interested even if it hurts her income.
The wording of your post says a lot about your attitude towards the Thai Females. And it obviously doesn't pay off. For your 1500 you may occasionally get, a girl, but all she does is trying to escape asap after the deed.

My Soi Cowboy girls I settled with mostly around 2500 and sometimes 2000 have more been begging to stay longer then escape early and some wouldn't have left at all if the next shift wouldn't have come up.

But I am a nice guy and also nice to the girls.

In your opinion I may have paid 1000 too much, but I may have got more in return then the additional 1000 bucks I spent.

Think about it.

Regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666]Hmm, I am afraid that some of the problems you have might be with yourself.

Ok I am a tourist and therefore some idiot in your mind and may not know the history of P4P price levels.

But reading most of the posts and successful and enjoyable reports probably you may need to adjust your price level from some glory days in the past.

A good looking 'cowboy' girl may never go with less then 2000, but settlement from a 3000 quote to a 2500 and then sometimes 2000 is always possible.

Your negotiation style may be a bit impolite as I assume, reading that the girls even refuse to negotiate the price. This never happens to me, however I am also polite in negotiating and fighting too much just throwing numbers around will not increase later performance. There is an intelligent way of negotiating w/o hurting each other.

If you counter her 3000 offer with: '1500 and no baht more or fuck yourself' she will know that you may be one of the troublesome cheep charlies anyhow and isn't interested even if it hurts her income.

The wording of your post says a lot about your attitude towards the Thai Females. And it obviously doesn't pay off. For your 1500 you may occasionally get, a girl, but all she does is trying to escape asap after the deed.

My Soi Cowboy girls I settled with mostly around 2500 and sometimes 2000 have more been begging to stay longer then escape early and some wouldn't have left at all if the next shift wouldn't have come up.

But I am a nice guy and also nice to the girls.

In your opinion I may have paid 1000 too much, but I may have got more in return then the additional 1000 bucks I spent.

Think about it.

Regards

Brain666[/QUOTE]I completely agree.

I am getting tired of all these punters who fuck stunners for 1000 baht.

It may be just in their dreams.

Reality is another thing: go-go babies would never go fro less than 2000 baht, not in Bangkok nor in Pattaya.

Tha's the reality!

And bargaining always leads to disappointments.

Italy 1974

This is exactly what I was looking for. Should have RTFF better! I like the fact that action can begin right away rather than waiting to get to the hotel, the pleasantries and then action. Thanks SoapFan and Satrai2000 for your inputs. Any other clubs like this around?

Cheers/Pulse

[QUOTE=One Tree Hill]Recently went to PPII to check out a few places that I have never been to before. One of them a friend of mine had mentioned. The place was called "The Strip". It is located on the right hand side of Patpong II as you enter from Silom Rd. Its between the Barbar Club (BDSM) and Club Electric Blue.

This is a go-go type place but with a different approach/twist. As you walk in the first thing you notice are these very tall floor to ceiling silver cylinders to the left and right. Looks a bit space age. In the middle is a small dance platform with 4-5 ladies dancing and trying their hardest to attract you.

The cylinders are essentially private (circular) rooms for lap-dancing or whatever goes. At the end of the bar is where the actual bar to sit is located. The deal here is that you select a lady or two and go private. The fee system is as follows:

Private room 30 mins: 500 baht - includes nude dancing / touching
Additional Lady fee: 500 baht more for hj/bj (if you want it - not required)
Full sex: up to you and her. I was quoted 2000 bht by one girl.
Beer: 120 baht

Once you enter the room the lady will go and get a "sex kit" that is a basket of paper towels, oil etc. She will quickly strip and the show is on. I have taken two girls and both were very energetic and quite a pleasure to play with. Both provided hj and one provided hj/bj for the 500 baht extra. Both allowed me DATY which was very pleasurable for both they and I - judging by their reaction and extreme wetness!

All in all it is a tad expensive but a different way to have fun in BKK. I will go back (one girl in particular who offered take out with anal on the menu).

The girls are barfinable, but I am unsure of the barfine price. In general I avoid Patpong area but PP II is ok with this bar, SOL and Club Electric Blue being quite fun and relaxed...as opposed to most places on PP I.

Enjoy the life![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pulse0101]Thanks Satrai - The Strip sounds like exactly what I would like. From what I've read on the board, Soi Cowboy seems to be a better place than Patpong - do you or other BKK experts know of such bars in Cowboy or NEP?

Thanks in advance/ Pulse.[/QUOTE]As far as I know there is no such bar in SC or NEP.

There used to be a bar in SC called Coyote that offered pretty much the same I heard. However I was not allowed entry as I was and still am "not a member".

[QUOTE=Italy 1974]I completely agree.

I am getting tired of all these punters who fuck stunners for 1000 baht.

It may be just in their dreams.

Reality is another thing: go-go babies would never go fro less than 2000 baht, not in Bangkok nor in Pattaya.

Tha's the reality!

And bargaining always leads to disappointments.

Italy 1974[/QUOTE]

that's rather strange then, because a good mate of mine has been shagging a cowboy dancer for free for ages now. If she doesn't have customers she stays with him, and believe me, no money changes hands. If you live here and establish a relationship with the gals, other than just a few hours of sex (and even sometimes only that) it can be completely different. Personally, the only time i pay more than 1000 baht is with a stunner in the Thai massage places up on Petchaburi (1400 baht for 2 shots), otherwise, the Sukhumvit scene just gets rather old after too long. There are plenty of great looking gals who perform well and will repeat again and again. It's just a matter of what you are willing to pay. And no, many of those gals do not start yelling cheap charlie once they are behind your back. Most gals here are smart enough to know which guys they can knock up for big money, which guys they see as marriage material, which guys they want as geeks, etc etc..

[QUOTE=Italy 1974]I completely agree.

I am getting tired of all these punters who fuck stunners for 1000 baht.

It may be just in their dreams.

Reality is another thing: go-go babies would never go fro less than 2000 baht, not in Bangkok nor in Pattaya.

Tha's the reality!

And bargaining always leads to disappointments.

Italy 1974[/QUOTE]


Look, it's all relative. One man's stunner is another man's skanky ole ho. I think that if you live in Thailand long enough you get extremely selective. Why settle for a girl from Nana parking lot when you can have an absolute non P4P "knock out" that took time and effort to cultivate. It's easy to score with a purple note, but what's the satisfaction other than empty ball sacks?

[QUOTE=Oldian]that's rather strange then, because a good mate of mine has been shagging a cowboy dancer for free for ages now. If she doesn't have customers she stays with him, and believe me, no money changes hands. If you live here and establish a relationship with the gals, other than just a few hours of sex (and even sometimes only that) it can be completely different. Personally, the only time i pay more than 1000 baht is with a stunner in the Thai massage places up on Petchaburi (1400 baht for 2 shots), otherwise, the Sukhumvit scene just gets rather old after too long. There are plenty of great looking gals who perform well and will repeat again and again. It's just a matter of what you are willing to pay. And no, many of those gals do not start yelling cheap charlie once they are behind your back. Most gals here are smart enough to know which guys they can knock up for big money, which guys they see as marriage material, which guys they want as geeks, etc etc..[/QUOTE]I am sorry but I think that what you wrote only happens in your dreams.

Reality is different.

I agree that nobody should overpay but 1000 baht in soi Cowboy...

Come on! I am not a newbie and I can tell you that 99% of the gogo girls in soi Cowboy wouldn't go with customer for less than 1500 baht.

You wrote that the girls know "which guys they can knock up for big money, which guys they see as marriage material, which guys they want as geeks".

I guess that you put yourself in the best category but still I do not believe that what you wrote is the truth.

I will tell once again: I am getting bored to read of all these smart guys so good and charming that stunners go with them almost for free.

I do not care so much as I am experienced but I fell soory for the newbies that may think that pay-for-pussy scene is something so different from the reality.

Regards,

Italy 1974

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Look, it's all relative. One man's stunner is another man's skanky ole ho. I think that if you live in Thailand long enough you get extremely selective. Why settle for a girl from Nana parking lot when you can have an absolute non P4P "knock out" that took time and effort to cultivate. It's easy to score with a purple note, but what's the satisfaction other than empty ball sacks?[/QUOTE]I agree that it is very easy to score with money but I am not interested in building any relationship with any woman.

I just want fun and I can tell you that F***ing young cuties for money gives me a lot of fun!

Regarding the look of the girls I am very selective. That's the reason why I don't believe to what some guys write about the prices.

Regards,

Italy 1974

[fichas are the tickets that bar girls in Tijuana get when a customer buys them a drink. They have quotas and hence motivation to "fuck" their customers into buying them as many drinks as possible.]

A couple of nights ago I saw a girl I liked in Our Place but she was bar fined before I could talk to her. Last night I saw her again and brought her over for a drink. Her name is Joy. We were getting along and she asked if she could get a tequila shot (200 baht) and I said yes. After the shot we talked and it was a good long while (around 15 minutes) before she asked for another. So I bought her another. Shortly after, her cousin came over and I talked to her, too. She had been in Bangkok longer than Joy (1 years versus 3 months) so her English was better and I figured she could help translate at times.

She asked for a drink and they said they were going over to Midnight after 11pm (even though it was already after 11). I said I would buy them both a drink at Midnight. I thought maybe I could get away without a bar fine if they were inbetween bars but that was not to be.

In Midnight I bought them their shots (again 200 baht each) and Joy almost immediately asked if she could "say hello to a friend". That friend was a guy and shortly after talking to him I saw that he bought her a drink. She then sat with him. After about 5 minutes I told the cousin who was still with me that I wasn't happy and if Joy wanted me to bar fine her and take her to my hotel that she had better come back and spend time with me. The cousin then says, oh, to take her out you have to pay a bar fine and it's very expensive, 3000 baht. I told her she
was crazy about 3000 baht and she starts explaining why they have bar fines. I told I would be a bar fine but a reasonably priced one. We went back and forth for awhile and I just gave up and left.

Total damage: 4 lady drinks (800) and 2 drinks for me (240) = 1040 baht or about $34US.

checked out that soi for the first time a couple of nights ago.

we were generally disappointed with the quality in all the dead poet bars as well as the office and lookie lookie. also, the area was quite dead with 0-2 customers in most of those bars.

the most lively place by far was the bar at livingstone's lodge. it was a very nice environment with a good number of girls and customers. my friend found someone to his taste (but didn't take out) while i did not. even so, the conversations and environment made this a worthwhile stop.

we talked with the "famous" giotto at livingstone's and here's an important plus for internet users such as the ones on this site: he pays extra for a good quality, high speed internet connection. considering the inconsistent performance i have experienced with the connections at 2 hotels that is definitely a big selling point for me when considering where to stay on my next visit.

[QUOTE=JPF]...
The cousin then says, oh, to take her out you have to pay a bar fine and it's very expensive, 3000 baht. I told her she
was crazy about 3000 baht and she starts explaining why they have bar fines. I told I would be a bar fine but a reasonably priced one. We went back and forth for awhile and I just gave up and left.
...
[/QUOTE]JPF,

Bar fine THB 3000 - that was either a misunderstanding with the cousin, and she already included the "service fee", or they really tried to rip you off.

Bar fine in Soi Cowboy should be THB 600, and the rest is a deal between you and the girl.

THB 200 for a lady drink also seams to be a lot ... I heard now that most of the gogo's in nana charge THB 140 for a Heineken. Soi 33 now seams to be cheaper than those areas (except the bar fines).


Giotto

[QUOTE=JPF]... the dead poet bars ...
[/QUOTE]... dead artists (painters) ...


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]THB 200 for a lady drink also seams to be a lot ... I heard now that most of the gogo's in nana charge THB 140 for a Heineken. Soi 33 now seams to be cheaper than those areas (except the bar fines).[/QUOTE]

Drinks on 33 have been around the same and sometimes lower then many other bars. BF's will never be lower but the girls have been asking for more or equal to what girls ask for on 33 for a while now. I AM NOT SAYING that what the girls take is the same, but the girls in other places have been upping their asking prices the last year or so. That makes the initial request to be almost the same as the girls on 33.

I don't think 33 will ever be called or considered "Cheap" by many but that's OK with the folks that go there. There seems to be less hassle / drama / BS on 33 then you get at other places with only a slightly higher bill. It surely is less crowded and you have a good selection of girls and bars to choose from.

I paid more on soi 22 of all friggin places then I did at some bars on 33, and the girls were damn adamant about pricing too. So it's not just cowboy or NEP or such...

If people wanted cheap they'd go straight to Pattaya as BKK isn't "cheap"

[QUOTE=Mangofan]This is exactly why I haven't been to Nana in months. No nudity. What's the fucking point? If I'm going to be paying 140 baht for a beer, I better be seeing some titties.[/quote]

Yes, I fully agree

[quote]Nana Plaza is the most disgusting place in Thailand[/QUOTE]

Nah, there are some really fucked up places up in Farmlands... but maybe some Farangs who live there can shed more light on it?

[QUOTE=Pulse0101]Thanks Satrai - The Strip sounds like exactly what I would like. From what I've read on the board, Soi Cowboy seems to be a better place than Patpong - do you or other BKK experts know of such bars in Cowboy or NEP?

Thanks in advance/ Pulse.[/QUOTE]

There isn't one. The Strip @ Patpong II is not doing well at all for a reason: No one here wants this style of bars.

While it can be very exciting and fun in the US/Canada, Strip clubs are boring here because of the huge variety of bars that are Raunchier. The Quasi-totality (I am talking 99%) of the sex tourists come to BKK on a full blown sex vacation, they don't want what they alreadyhave back home.

Blowjob bars, Gogo bars, Freelancer bars, MAssage PArlors, Oily joints, 2-girls special clubs, ladyboys, gays, Akasuri ... we got it all.

I think you would have a much better (and cheaper) experience with a girl from a GOGO, barfine her, take her to your room for an All nighter and tell her you want her to give you Lapdances. If you feel like it you can fuck her.

The cost of this will be about $100 (the price of 5 dances in the US) ;)

Nic, English might be your third language, but you sure summed up the answer to this question perfectly!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]There isn't one. The Strip @ Patpong II is not doing well at all for a reason: No one here wants this style of bars.

While it can be very exciting and fun in the US/Canada, Strip clubs are boring here because of the huge variety of bars that are Raunchier. The Quasi-totality (I am talking 99%) of the sex tourists come to BKK on a full blown sex vacation, they don't want what they alreadyhave back home.

Blowjob bars, Gogo bars, Freelancer bars, MAssage PArlors, Oily joints, 2-girls special clubs, ladyboys, gays, Akasuri ... we got it all.

I think you would have a much better (and cheaper) experience with a girl from a GOGO, barfine her, take her to your room for an All nighter and tell her you want her to give you Lapdances. If you feel like it you can fuck her.

The cost of this will be about $100 (the price of 5 dances in the US) ;)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JPF][fichas are the tickets that bar girls in Tijuana get when a customer buys them a drink. They have quotas and hence motivation to "fuck" their customers into buying them as many drinks as possible.]

A couple of nights ago I saw a girl I liked in Our Place but she was bar fined before I could talk to her. Last night I saw her again and brought her over for a drink. Her name is Joy. We were getting along and she asked if she could get a tequila shot (200 baht) and I said yes. After the shot we talked and it was a good long while (around 15 minutes) before she asked for another. So I bought her another. Shortly after, her cousin came over and I talked to her, too. She had been in Bangkok longer than Joy (1 years versus 3 months) so her English was better and I figured she could help translate at times.

She asked for a drink and they said they were going over to Midnight after 11pm (even though it was already after 11). I said I would buy them both a drink at Midnight. I thought maybe I could get away without a bar fine if they were inbetween bars but that was not to be.

In Midnight I bought them their shots (again 200 baht each) and Joy almost immediately asked if she could "say hello to a friend". That friend was a guy and shortly after talking to him I saw that he bought her a drink. She then sat with him. After about 5 minutes I told the cousin who was still with me that I wasn't happy and if Joy wanted me to bar fine her and take her to my hotel that she had better come back and spend time with me. The cousin then says, oh, to take her out you have to pay a bar fine and it's very expensive, 3000 baht. I told her she
was crazy about 3000 baht and she starts explaining why they have bar fines. I told I would be a bar fine but a reasonably priced one. We went back and forth for awhile and I just gave up and left.

Total damage: 4 lady drinks (800) and 2 drinks for me (240) = 1040 baht or about $34US.[/QUOTE]

Well, I am not sure why it went so bad with joy, but it could be the following scenario.
A former coustomer of Joy asked a mamasan who Joy is and that he wants to bf her. So, she sends a girl over (the cousin, or maybe not cousine) to tell her to come over to midnight. So, the "cousin" brought her over and later they tell you ridiculous prices, so they don't need to tell you no Joy is already book.
Nevertheless a lie with the barfine, but helps to keep face.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Look, it's all relative. One man's stunner is another man's skanky ole ho. I think that if you live in Thailand long enough you get extremely selective. Why settle for a girl from Nana parking lot when you can have an absolute non P4P "knock out" that took time and effort to cultivate. It's easy to score with a purple note, but what's the satisfaction other than empty ball sacks?[/QUOTE]I'd have to agree on the theories of relativity and selectivity.

Though some Parking Lot girls i've seen, with and without their covering, are par with anything at Siam Paragon or MBK on a Friday night.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Why settle for a girl from Nana parking lot when you can have an absolute non P4P "knock out" that took time and effort to cultivate. [/QUOTE]
Guys that have wife/GF cannot realistically go spending time and effort cultivating non-P4P girls. She can turn a blind eye when you go missing for a short while.

The problem with cultivating a girl, is that often for me they have accidentally turned into a full-time GF. I must be very weak on the art of dumping them. Then are the scenes and recriminations if she finds out there has been another girl concurrently.

Its a lot easier and less complicated to just pay.
Even Nic had to dump most of his Giks due to complications. Often we don't want a proper relationship, but just to relieve the sexual urges.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Look, it's all relative. One man's stunner is another man's skanky ole ho. I think that if you live in Thailand long enough you get extremely selective. Why settle for a girl from Nana parking lot when you can have an absolute non P4P "knock out" that took time and effort to cultivate. It's easy to score with a purple note, but what's the satisfaction other than empty ball sacks?[/QUOTE]

I've become much less selective during my time living in Thailand, for the obvious reason that those of us who live here have far less money to spend, typically, than those who just visit. Pay here is very low (30-40K/month).

Also regarding 'non P4P' I have no interest in that as I am too lazy, with the one exception - older or less attractive ladies who are grateful for the attention and offer either good service or other benefits. If one chases attractive 'non P4P' girls one is opening the door to a lot of effort and in the long run far greater expense than good honest prostitutes.

[quote=jpf]checked out that soi for the first time a couple of nights ago.

we were generally disappointed with the quality in all the dead poet bars as well as the office and lookie lookie. also, the area was quite dead with 0-2 customers in most of those bars.

the most lively place by far was the bar at livingstone's lodge. it was a very nice environment with a good number of girls and customers. my friend found someone to his taste (but didn't take out) while i did not. even so, the conversations and environment made this a worthwhile stop.

we talked with the "famous" giotto at livingstone's and here's an important plus for internet users such as the ones on this site: he pays extra for a good quality, high speed internet connection. considering the inconsistent performance i have experienced with the connections at 2 hotels that is definitely a big selling point for me when considering where to stay on my next visit.[/quote]the only difference beetween a soi 33 bargirl and a soi 7 bargirl is (sometimes) a cocktail dress.
nothing more than this, believe me!

oh, i forgot another big difference: the barfine.

italy 1974

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Nic, English might be your third language, but you sure summed up the answer to this question perfectly![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]There isn't one. The Strip @ Patpong II is not doing well at all for a reason: No one here wants this style of bars.[/QUOTE]

"No one here wants this style of bars"
What a statement!

By "here", do you mean members in ISG or men in general who visit BKK?
If nobody wants this type of bars as you put it, surely places like this one would be closing down soon. But somehow I dont think so.

Was in Spasso (Grand Hyatt Erawan) last night and saw some really nice stunners, which I know even Mick Licker will approve. They were sexy, good cleavage and even better dancers.

I was with my "gik" so could not go beyond using my eyes to scan for future potentials. If the prices are still at THB4k I think I will be going there to prowl and seek suitable company soon as I could feel my temperature going up slightly with some of the faces there.

To be fair there were also a large number of average girls dressing it up but not looking the part. Saw a number of ruskies which as usual has the height and breast but their attitude seems a like a real turn off with "I am stunner" look and if you are not wearing a rolex, go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away look.

Went to Sherbert last week and the quality of the girls remain high and even the coyote dancers were hot. I found out they have 300 girls and 40 mamasans. Had a great evening of dancing, drinking and dice games. Whilst it is not cheap by Thai standards, but compared to other places like HK, Singapore and of course the western world, it is still good quality and price for value.

FD

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]"No one here wants this style of bars"
What a statement!...[/QUOTE]
OK, you want that style.

Enjoy! As Nic said, it's all here in LOS.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]OK, you want that style.

Enjoy! As Nic said, it's all here in LOS.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Daddy7, and you too. You seem tohave been enjoying yourself in Pattaya so far.
I have not seen all as yet to judge anything.

Oh BTW, have you got any problems with Prostate which may be affecting your nightly/daily activities? :)

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]"No one here wants this style of bars"
What a statement!

By "here", do you mean members in ISG or men in general who visit BKK?
If nobody wants this type of bars as you put it, surely places like this one would be closing down soon. But somehow I dont think so.[/QUOTE]
Well obviously you are an exception, but once I tried German FKKs where girls are virtually nude all the time, I was completely cured of tabletop/lapdance style clubs. They are just ways of wasting a large amount of money without getting much, IMHO.

Thailand has bars where girls dance nude. Thailand has bars when can get girls to take their gear off, and then grope them and get a blow job and sex if you want. Multiple girls allowed. This is not like laptop dancing as there are no rules stopping you from touching this or that.
Star of Light for example. Look you can get a pussy in each hand, one on your face, and one on your dick, if you want There are few limits.

Its true that there is very little call for traditional "stripping" as such in Thailand.
In some bars the show does start with girls wearing something and taking it off before soaping or oiling each other or licking each other's pussies. (Suzi Wong)

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]...Oh BTW, have you got any problems with Prostate which may be affecting your nightly/daily activities? :)[/QUOTE]
Oh, nothing that I know of beyond diminished capacity, reduced stamina, and old age. :)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]There isn't one. The Strip @ Patpong II is not doing well at all for a reason: No one here wants this style of bars.

While it can be very exciting and fun in the US/Canada, Strip clubs are boring here because of the huge variety of bars that are Raunchier. The Quasi-totality (I am talking 99%) of the sex tourists come to BKK on a full blown sex vacation, they don't want what they alreadyhave back home.

Blowjob bars, Gogo bars, Freelancer bars, MAssage PArlors, Oily joints, 2-girls special clubs, ladyboys, gays, Akasuri ... we got it all.

I think you would have a much better (and cheaper) experience with a girl from a GOGO, barfine her, take her to your room for an All nighter and tell her you want her to give you Lapdances. If you feel like it you can fuck her.

The cost of this will be about $100 (the price of 5 dances in the US) ;)[/QUOTE]Nic. Great explanation. Thanks. I guess I haven't really made myself clear. I AM part of the 99% that you state above. No question. But I'm not in the market of only getting into the girl's pants. I would like to have a great time at LOS and that involved getting a bunch of raunchy lap dances without the no touching rules that are prevalent in 90% of clubs in the US and 50% of the clubs in Canada. I'd like to start my evening (s) out by enjoying the eye-candy, exploring the strip clubs and their women over a bunch of beers and then ending up taking one home if all goes well! The whole environment of the club is what appeals to me (loud music, hot girls, multiple options, etc) which I may not necessarily get back in my hotel room, however plush.

Nevertheless, you've made great points. Thanks.

Maybe my question should have been to ask you guys for the most exciting itinerary for a night out that doesn't involve only sex. I love music and would love a recommendation from the experts on which bars are the best for rock/hard rock music.

Thanks again and cheers/Pulse

Hy,

Planning to stay in BKK fro 7 to 14 March. Does someone know, if elections will take place during this wek? Because elections are not the best time, no alcohol, no actins!

Best regards

What is yabba? and what does it look like? I am not interested in trying it. Just the opposite. I'm looking to avoid it. I remember on my last trip, my buddy became ill. Upset stomach, fever, pain all over, etc... A local gave him a couple of pills. Instructions were something like "take the pink now and the blue one when you wake up". He followed the instructions. He said the pink one mad him feel high and the blue one brought him back to earth, but he stated that he felt 100% better.
I have heard/read stories of the girls being strung out on yabba, but to be honest, I have no clue what it is. I just want to avoid it and anyone with it. The last thing I need is to be around someone when the police arrest them. From what I have heard, Thai jails are NOT the place to look for a piece of ass. I want to scout for my ass on the beech. :) Oh if anyone has any new pic's to post... It would be a good motivator for me (something with a cowboy hat on) ;) M&M

[quote=mimonger]what is yaba? and what does it look like? i am not interested in trying it. just the opposite. i'm looking to avoid it. i remember on my last trip, my buddy became ill. upset stomach, fever, pain all over, etc... a local gave him a couple of pills. instructions were something like "take the pink now and the blue one when you wake up". he followed the instructions. he said the pink one mad him feel high and the blue one brought him back to earth, but he stated that he felt 100% better.
i have heard/read stories of the girls being strung out on yaba, but to be honest, i have no clue what it is. i just want to avoid it and anyone with it. the last thing i need is to be around someone when the police arrest them. from what i have heard, thai jails are not the place to look for a piece of ass. i want to scout for my ass on the beech. :) oh if anyone has any new pic's to post... it would be a good motivator for me (something with a cowboy hat on) ;) m&m[/quote][quote]yaba

(crazy medicine, pronounced yar bah)

originally manufactured by the nazis to help keep their troops awake for days, yaba has become increasingly popular in the far east amongst claims that the drug is now bigger than heroin in thailand.

yaba is a derivative of synthetic amphetamines such as speed and can be manufactured far more quickly and easily than traditional forms of amphetamine. the recipe has spread from the far east by word of mouth and on the internet (no, don't ask us).

we've experienced some difficulty getting a consistent description of ingredients and effects, with some reports stating that the drug is mostly methamphetamine, running 80% pure with much of the cut being castoff from heroin production

the drug usually comes in pill form (often red/orange, sometimes green) and with its potent mix of visuals and intense highs, drug experts predict that it may soon become popular on the uk club scene.

although yaba is still very rare in the uk, drug experts report that the uk is being targeted by yaba producers from the 'golden triangle' - the drug producing areas which straddle the borders of thailand, burma and laos.

the main ingredients, which include salt, household cleaning products, distilled cold medicines and lithium from camera batteries, can be bought legally and the drug easily knocked out at home with a couple of casserole dishes and a hob.

the rewards for criminals can be huge. around £300 of raw materials can make yaba worth more than £2,000 at british street prices. since the equipment needed is portable, labs can be moved on a regular basis, making it more difficult for police to track them down.

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side effects:
the drug is claimed to create an intense hallucinogenic effect and can keep users awake for days on end, although some users have reported that the only visuals come as a result of sleep deprivation after binge sessions.

health risks:
addictive and/or habit-forming. regular use of the drug has been linked to lung and kidney disorders, hallucinations and paranoia. a frequent hallucination is 'speed bugs' or crank bugs' where users believe that bugs are crawling under their skin and go loopy trying to get them out. in thailand, the number of students entering rehab to deal with yaba addiction has risen by nearly 1,000% in the past two years (source: observer 17.10.99) those coming off the drug are also susceptible to severe depression and suicidal urges.[/quote]if i can recommend: stay away for your healths sake and also to not get into trouble with law about that in thailand. there is no fun made about drugs!

and just look at some of the girls if you want toi see how it works, then maybe you dont want to try anymore anyway.

no offense, just my opinion.

take care.
mike

[QUOTE=Mimonger]What is yaba? and what does it look like? I am not interested in trying it. Just the opposite. I'm looking to avoid it. I remember on my last trip, my buddy became ill. Upset stomach, fever, pain all over, etc... A local gave him a couple of pills. Instructions were something like "take the pink now and the blue one when you wake up". He followed the instructions. He said the pink one mad him feel high and the blue one brought him back to earth, but he stated that he felt 100% better.

I have heard/read stories of the girls being strung out on yaba, but to be honest, I have no clue what it is. I just want to avoid it and anyone with it. [/QUOTE]
Well, at least you do know that it is an illegal drug if girls are being strung out on it. Also read the story below and note that the penalty these three people are facing for being caught with so much Yabba in Thailand.

[url]http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking07/Yaba.html[/url]
________________________________________________________________


Thursday 15th January 2009
19,000 Yabba Tablets seized by Laem Chabang Police.

On Thursday Morning at Laem Chabang Police Station located 20kms from Pattaya, Police Colonel Jumnong, the Deputy Commander of Chonburi Provincial Police led a press conference to announce a significant seizure of class 1 drugs and the arrest of 2 men and a woman. The Colonel announced that a total of 19,000 Yabba Tablets were seized and the case began with the arrest of Khun Tawat aged 40. He was caught with 400 Yabba Tablets following an undercover operation. His house was checked and a further 18,000 Yabba Tablets were found. A second man and a woman, Khun Winai aged 38 and Khun Wilaiwan aged 40 were then arrested following information gained from the investigation. They were caught with a total of 600 Yabba Tablets and Khun Winai is thought to have financed the entire operation. All three are now facing serious class 1 drug charges which carry a maximum penalty of death by lethal injection if convicted in court

[QUOTE=Mimonger]What is yaba? and what does it look like? I am not interested in trying it. Just the opposite. I'm looking to avoid it.....[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaba_(drug)[/url]

"Yaba" is a very poor spelling as will cause mispronunciation.
Yah Bah! is more like it.

Pharmacies do not sell Yah Bah so there is little difficulty in avoiding it. Don't recall if I ever saw it apart from TV.

Hi,

I will stay in BKK in a couple of weekx (7 to 14 arch) during my previous stay I had bad memories wuth elections days! Very quiet period, no alcohol, few girls etc etc does everyone know if some elections will provide during his period?

Thanks

Hi.

I will stay in BKK next onth between 7 & 14 March.

Dos everybody know, if their is elections during this period, in fact I have bad memories with elections during previous trip, no alcohol! So low activity.

Thanks

[QUOTE=JPF] Total damage: 4 lady drinks (800) and 2 drinks for me (240) = 1040 baht or about $34US.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you got fucked twice without getting laid. You got fucked on the exchange rate, too. The Thai baht is now over 35 to the USD. 1040 baht is only $29.68.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]"No one here wants this style of bars"
What a statement!

By "here", do you mean members in ISG or men in general who visit BKK?
If nobody wants this type of bars as you put it, surely places like this one would be closing down soon. But somehow I dont think so.[/QUOTE]

Before I knew of ISG, the internet, the FKKs and Bangkok, I used to be excited to go to the US and to US strip clubs..
This seems a long while ago, and I would not spend a dime on those places anymore.

But to each his won,. You are definitively in a minority in BKK, and I was not even aware that there was a signgle club like that in BKK. OK, there is one, so please go there while we enjoy the thousands of others...

[QUOTE=Michi]If I can recommend: stay away for your healths sake and also to not get into trouble with law about that in Thailand. There is no fun made about drugs!

And just look at some of the girls if you want toi see how it works, then maybe you dont want to try anymore anyway.

No offense, just my opinion.

Take care.
Mike[/QUOTE]

Apparently you didn't read my post. I am NOT looking to try it. Just the opposite. I want to stay away from it. I don't know what it looks like, thats why I was asking. I already have one addiction (T&A), which is enough. :) M&M

[QUOTE=Fun Dog]Was in Spasso (Grand Hyatt Erawan) last night and saw some really nice stunners, which I know even Mick Licker will approve. They were sexy, good cleavage and even better dancers.

I was with my "gik" so could not go beyond using my eyes to scan for future potentials. If the prices are still at THB4k I think I will be going there to prowl and seek suitable company soon as I could feel my temperature going up slightly with some of the faces there.

To be fair there were also a large number of average girls dressing it up but not looking the part. Saw a number of ruskies which as usual has the height and breast but their attitude seems a like a real turn off with "I am stunner" look and if you are not wearing a rolex, go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away look.

Went to Sherbert last week and the quality of the girls remain high and even the coyote dancers were hot. I found out they have 300 girls and 40 mamasans. Had a great evening of dancing, drinking and dice games. Whilst it is not cheap by Thai standards, but compared to other places like HK, Singapore and of course the western world, it is still good quality and price for value.

FD[/QUOTE]It was my fourth night in BKK and I was dead tired (a 3 hour appointment on my 2nd night turned into a two day stay/two night stay, gratis) - so I planned to stay in and sleep but read this around 11PM and decided to check the Hyatt Erawan out.

Plenty of good looking girls (I thought the handful of russians were average at best, except one). My standards are on the high side and I spoke to a couple of what I considered to rise above the rest. One quotes me 6k (tall lean, nice curves, pretty, great English, Thai girl) for 3 hours and the other 8k for 3 hours (average thai height, very pretty, really nice natural tits and ass, young, ok English, thai girl). I was dead tired, did not try negotiating and did not take anyone home. Expensive by Thai standards but these two girls were way beyond what you find in Nana or Soi, except for maybe a couple of stage performers (based on my limited experience). To get something like these two in the U.S. would probably cost at least $300 per hour versus about 170 USD for three hours in BKK. I imagine some of the girls that didn't look as good as the two I chose start with lower asking prices.

Where is Sherbert?

Ivan

"By The Nation
Published on February 7, 2009

Police are searching for a woman, identified only as Nok, who is alleged to have operated an Internet prostitution ring.
Nok is accused of recruiting beautiful young girls to her ring by prowling the socialnetworking website Hi5 and advertising for customers with online ads.

In an undercover operation, police contacted Nok and asked her to send three teenagers to a resort restaurant on Thursday night.

Three girls dressed in spaghettistrap blouses and hot pants arrived, whereupon the policemen identified themselves. The girls broke into tears and admitted to selling sex.

The girls, aged 18 and 19, were charged with prostitution.

One of them is a parttime model who studies in an international programme at a private university.

"My parents send me Bt20,000 each month, but I always overspend," she said. "I've taken five jobs from Nok in the past."

Pol Colonel Chatchai Worakul, who heads the Metropolitan Police Bureau's Centre for Children, Juveniles and Women, said Nok asked her girls to place Bt500 in her bank account each time they received payment from a customer.

"These girls have never seen Nok. They've never even talked to her on the phone," Chatchai said.

Police said the bank account used by Nok identified her as a 27yearold woman.

"We're going after her," a police investigator said.

Meanwhile, Office of Youth Promotion and Protection director Usanee Kangwanjit said many youths now voluntarily entered the flesh trade.

"Those under 20 tend to think premarital sex is common, and many express an interest in changing sleeping partners to try something different," she said.

In a related development, Chulalongkorn University childdevelopment lecturer Sompong Jitradab said parents should monitor their children.

"Their children owning expensive items may be an indicator," Sompong said.

He also called on children to think about the consequences of their actions.

"Even though you may have a lot of money to spend today, prostitution may take away so many good things from your life," Sompong said.

He also encouraged universities to include a lifeskills course for freshmen students.

"We should teach them selfsufficiency and human dignity," he said.

End of article....." (No Byline)

So poor Isan girls who do not go to Uni can do with out this "Proper young person" class?
Another great example of Thailand! But anyways be careful when booking girls from online, maybe the next sting will target Johns!

Cheers,
Slylock

[QUOTE=Italy 1974]I am sorry but I think that what you wrote only happens in your dreams.

Reality is different.

I agree that nobody should overpay but 1000 baht in soi Cowboy...

Come on! I am not a newbie and I can tell you that 99% of the gogo girls in soi Cowboy wouldn't go with customer for less than 1500 baht.

You wrote that the girls know "which guys they can knock up for big money, which guys they see as marriage material, which guys they want as geeks".

I guess that you put yourself in the best category but still I do not believe that what you wrote is the truth.

I will tell once again: I am getting bored to read of all these smart guys so good and charming that stunners go with them almost for free.

I do not care so much as I am experienced but I fell soory for the newbies that may think that pay-for-pussy scene is something so different from the reality.

Regards,

Italy 1974[/QUOTE]

hey Italy, i certainly dont think of myself as prince charming, good, handsome, or any of the likes. I do think i am fairly fit and well groomed, and i have been told i speak decent enough thai, which i think helps to cut through a lot of the BS...i was in one of the bars on Soi 7/1 the other night, same bar i've gone to many nights in the last few weeks, usually with a farang/thai couple, and never taking any of the ladies out. There is one young lady there who gets taken out every night, and i'd say most would put her in the relative "stunner" category. She's been working 3 weeks, lost a factory job up in Khorat along with a friend, and the two of them came down to Bkk. She speaks almost no english, but on my 2nd or 3rd visit, she found out i could converse with her and she became sweet on me after that. Last night, i went down by myself, and she asked me if i'd pay her bf and take her out. I told her that i didn't really do bf's, and that i also never gave gals more than 1000 baht, be it ST/LT, it was up to her if she wanted to stay or not. She said not a problem at all, I did pay her bf, and we had a memorable night, with repeats sure to follow. I'm not saying i scored or got lucky or that i was nice, but bottom line is we have no idea just what each gal's respective situation/feeling is on any given night. Some gals have guys sending them money each month and dont even need to be working. In that case, they choose whom they want to go with and that might involve money or not...on the other side, i've met gals so hardened by the business that they told me they would never even let their husband have sex with them without paying! I think you're right that your average Cowboy gal is not going ST for 1000 these days, at least on first glance, nor would i go down there expecting to find one...however, i have gone down there and gotten a phone number, met a gal the following day before she went to work, given her 1000B, had multiple repeats, and then it became the norm, providing the gal enjoyed our transaction. I would say that overall these days, the attitudes of the gals has changed to the tune of it always being about money, on the spot, and as much as they can get...but there are lots and lots of grey areas, it just depends what effort you are willing to make and what you are there for.

Everything always gets blamed on Isaan, its easy to do it, lots of girls say "I am from Isaan". And its funny when I speak Isaan to them and they struggle with anything more than the basic words.

Fact is, many girls from the central, north and south all claim to be Isaan girls, cause they think farangs like Isaan girls.

And so people get a skewed view of actual events.

But as you will find out if you stay in Thailand a long time, the real bad people in Thailand are actually mostly the Bangkokians. They do not claim to be from Isaan, they are just plain bad people.

[QUOTE=Slylock]"By The Nation

Published on February 7, 2009

Police are searching for a woman, identified only as Nok, who is alleged to have operated an Internet prostitution ring.

Nok is accused of recruiting beautiful young girls to her ring by prowling the socialnetworking website Hi5 and advertising for customers with online ads.

In an undercover operation, police contacted Nok and asked her to send three teenagers to a resort restaurant on Thursday night.

Three girls dressed in spaghettistrap blouses and hot pants arrived, whereupon the policemen identified themselves. The girls broke into tears and admitted to selling sex.

The girls, aged 18 and 19, were charged with prostitution.

One of them is a parttime model who studies in an international programme at a private university.

"My parents send me Bt20,000 each month, but I always overspend," she said. "I've taken five jobs from Nok in the past."

Pol Colonel Chatchai Worakul, who heads the Metropolitan Police Bureau's Centre for Children, Juveniles and Women, said Nok asked her girls to place Bt500 in her bank account each time they received payment from a customer.

"These girls have never seen Nok. They've never even talked to her on the phone," Chatchai said.

Police said the bank account used by Nok identified her as a 27yearold woman.

"We're going after her," a police investigator said.

Meanwhile, Office of Youth Promotion and Protection director Usanee Kangwanjit said many youths now voluntarily entered the flesh trade.

"Those under 20 tend to think premarital sex is common, and many express an interest in changing sleeping partners to try something different," she said.

In a related development, Chulalongkorn University childdevelopment lecturer Sompong Jitradab said parents should monitor their children.

"Their children owning expensive items may be an indicator," Sompong said.

He also called on children to think about the consequences of their actions.

"Even though you may have a lot of money to spend today, prostitution may take away so many good things from your life," Sompong said.

He also encouraged universities to include a lifeskills course for freshmen students.

"We should teach them selfsufficiency and human dignity," he said.

End of article....." (No Byline)

So poor Isan girls who do not go to Uni can do with out this "Proper young person" class?
Another great example of Thailand! But anyways be careful when booking girls from online, maybe the next sting will target Johns!

Cheers,
Slylock[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brain666]
A good looking 'cowboy' girl may never go with less then 2000, but settlement from a 3000 quote to a 2500 and then sometimes 2000 is always possible.

Your negotiation style may be a bit impolite as I assume, reading that the girls even refuse to negotiate the price. This never happens to me, however I am also polite in negotiating and fighting too much just throwing numbers around will not increase later performance. There is an intelligent way of negotiating w/o hurting each other.

If you counter her 3000 offer with: '1500 and no baht more or fuck yourself' she will know that you may be one of the troublesome cheep charlies anyhow and isn't interested even if it hurts her income.
The wording of your post says a lot about your attitude towards the Thai Females. And it obviously doesn't pay off. For your 1500 you may occasionally get, a girl, but all she does is trying to escape asap after the deed.
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Completely and utterly wrong. I have lived here for a few years now, and I will not pay more than 1000 baht for ST. And I've found that it IS possible to even get stunners at this price on Cowboy. Last week I took a stunner out from Suzie Wong (probably 8-9 on the stunner score meter) and she went LT with me for 1500 baht on a Tuesday night. Here are some tips:

1. Be patient. Just because she won't go with you tonight at that price doesn't mean she won't go with you in a few days (or weeks) time. Try and establish some kind of relationship with the girl so she knows you when you enter the bar. Buy her a few drinks. Don't go on a weekend when tons of tourists and businessmen will be there who will pay the price she's asking. It also helps to go at the end of the month when the rent is due and she's overspent her salary.

2. It helps to speak a little bit of Thai. I do speak a little bit of conversational Thai (although minimal), and it goes a long way. It also proves that you're not a tourist.

3. Know her town. This seems silly, but when you ask her where she's from, and she says "Udonthani", know where that is, and that it's close to the Laos border and Nong Khai (this usually impresses them for some reason).

4. Be polite. Goes without saying. Smile a lot, even if it's clear things aren't going your way. It's the whole "Mai Bpen Rai" attitude. If she refuses your price, just smile and say "okay...up to you". If she doesn't want to go with me for the price I'm willing to pay, that's fine. I can wait until low season or when there are a lack of customers in the bar.

5. Don't look like a tourist. What I mean is, don't go in there wearing sandals and shorts sporting a 5 o'clock shadow. I've even seen some dudes who bring their huge backpacks into a go-go.

In my experience, this works for me. I've learned to be patient. If you're a tourist and have limited time, then go ahead and pay the inflated prices. Also, I found that a girl absolutely refuses to negotiate, then she's "ATMed up the ass" (as people say) or has been hardened by the bar too much. I find these girls are usually crap in bed anyway, so I won't bother pursuing it.

There 're some bros here who seem to be wannabe-Thais.

[QUOTE=Mangofan]Completely and utterly wrong. I have lived here for a few years now, and I will not pay more than 1000 baht for ST. And I've found that it IS possible to even get stunners at this price on Cowboy. Last week I took a stunner out from Suzie Wong (probably 8-9 on the stunner score meter) and she went LT with me for 1500 baht on a Tuesday night. [/QUOTE]
O.K. Tuesday is a quiet night and she might have been desperate. But pics to prove the "stunner" assertion would help. I certainly know stunning girls that would NOT go for these prices. They can get better very easily. Some even have problems with more than one guy wanting her at the same time. The last girl I went with from Shark had two other guys wanting her. The previous night I missed out on her from being too late (9PM I think).

So my view is that while it may be possible to gget these prices, its not realistic to expect the best girls will go for that amount. I am never that stingy in any case.

My weekend fun and some thoughts about Thailand.

After my disastrous Thursday things have looked up.

My little Filipino friend sent me a message to say she would like to meet Sunday, which of course I eagerly accepted. On Friday though I had a call from another lady I had met at the gym, she is in her forties and a real MILF. Fit and a very dirty mind. "would you like to have lunch on Saturday" she asks; flashes of dirty sex and naked bodies instantly became firmly fixed in my mind’s eye. "Yes. I would love to". I met her at Asoke on Saturday and no mention of lunch, straight to the short time hotel at the end of Cowboy. I only just managed to close the door before she had my cock in her hand and tongue down my throat. I persuaded her showering would be a good idea, because I was very sweaty, not to mention the fact I am not eating a skanky pussy. Now A as I shall call her has a beautiful body, she is a real spoilt ***** lazy as fuck, except for going to the gym. Her husband has not fucked her for a year and she was desperate to try a Farang. Within 5 minute she has sucked me dry and I mean suck, I have never had a woman suck so hard. Returning the favour I ate that sweet shaved pussy for at least 30 minutes from every angle and she went ballistic when I put a finger up her starfish (arsehole for non English speakers). Needles to say the ride was incredible, what a tight pussy, especially liked doggy with finger inserted up the back door. I did manage 3 pops in the two and half hours we spent together.

Sunday.

I met my little Filipino friend on Sunday. Guess where? You got it. Asoke. I had a very wry smile from the same receptionist I had seen on Saturday.

Now M as I shall call her was a different kettle of fish. She was more like a GFE or a wife experience. She was nothing like the image I had built up. She was pretty and very white, with long jet black hair. In the room she was very shy to start with; I knew this was going to be a "making love session". I have to say she had a lovely body, not fit and trained, just natural, a real woman’s body; she had small tits, but nipples like Camel starter buttons, the sort you can roll around in your mouth. She was not keen on blow jobs, but like most women enjoyed rug munching. The one thing she could do is kiss, Like a lot of guys on this forum, I love kissing, it makes you feel like they really do like you. I managed two pops, this was the best GFE I have had for a long time. I have to say I enjoyed being with M more than the raunchy A. By the way this girl has not been back to see her hubby for 19 months, and she insisted I was the only sexual experience she had had apart from her husband, in her life. Lucky me I think. Two really good days for 700 baht.

[QUOTE=Fun Dog]Was in Spasso (Grand Hyatt Erawan) last night and saw some really nice stunners, which I know even Mick Licker will approve. They were sexy, good cleavage and even better dancers.

I was with my "gik" so could not go beyond using my eyes to scan for future potentials. If the prices are still at THB4k I think I will be going there to prowl and seek suitable company soon as I could feel my temperature going up slightly with some of the faces there.

To be fair there were also a large number of average girls dressing it up but not looking the part. Saw a number of ruskies which as usual has the height and breast but their attitude seems a like a real turn off with "I am stunner" look and if you are not wearing a rolex, go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away look.

Went to Sherbert last week and the quality of the girls remain high and even the coyote dancers were hot. I found out they have 300 girls and 40 mamasans. Had a great evening of dancing, drinking and dice games. Whilst it is not cheap by Thai standards, but compared to other places like HK, Singapore and of course the western world, it is still good quality and price for value.

FD[/QUOTE]The Hyatt is always fun, but sometimes noisy and a little crazy. Any other bars (5 star type) that one can go to find some fun. I know there are many more traditional beer bars that are quieter than the Hyatt, but the atmosphere is not 5 star. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=Tom Tomus]...
Planning to stay in BKK fro 7 to 14 March. Does someone know, if elections will take place during this wek? Because elections are not the best time, no alcohol, no actins!
...
[/QUOTE]Tom Tomus,

No elections in that time period - up to now. But - things can change fast here in Thailand :) .


Giotto

Just back from a few days in Bangkok, tacked onto another trip. Stayed at the Golden Palace hotel, [url]www.goldenpalacehotel.com/[/url] (Soi 1 just of Sukumvit Road). Don't bother with the more expensive rooms, the 1100 Baht ones are the same. Its basic, but it is cheap, clean, has a pool for lounging around and is very accessible to airport and the Sukumvit Road strip. Lunches are better at the hotel next door. Toast and coffee for breakfast is 80 baht. i never had supper there.

Tried Eden Club, the the 2 girl place, which is a 5 or so minute walk away (leave Goldnen Palace, turn right, walk to Sukumvit Road, turn left, 5 minute walk and its on your left down soi 7 or 11 I think - you'll see it. Frankly, it wasn't that great but then I'd just had a heavy travel day so maybe me. 2 girls is mandatory (you can't pick just one), yellow line.... a net search will reveal all! If you go to Eden, try and take 5 minutes or preferably more to acclimatize. The girls I got were OK looking, but I think I could have got better if I'd taken longer to acclimatize.

But then I just tried a little side street (leave the Golden Palace hotel, walk towards Sukumvit Road for 1-2 minutes and its the first turn on your right, look down the turn and you'll see a bunch of girls sitting outside playing cards or whatever) and completely different experience, more relaxed, no pressure, more keen girl, and got a good massage and my brains f*ed out for 1500. Have a shower or swim in the pool in the Golden Palace, then walk wet into the massage place, upstairs, just take all your clothes off and lie down for a good massage; the rest just follows without much discussion. Repeated again the next day, and of course then had to fly back.

So I'd say try the small side streets a little bit off Sukumvit where they get less customers and there is less pressure to turn you around and where they want repeat customers. There were lots of girls at this place on the side street, yeah a bit older than the ones on Sukumvit but the place had a way better vibe about it.

Cabs from airport: only take a metered one and tell them you will pay toll highway. Basic fare this way to the Golden Palace is 300 Baht plus a 100 Baht or so for the toll roads and you'll be at the hotel in less than 30 minutes without any drama (the hotel is close to a toll highway exit).

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Hi,

Could you, more experienced forum members please help me out to understand events which took place yesterday.

Before I continue my story, here’s a little background: I have been in Thailand once before but I’m very inexperienced with barfining a lady. I have tried to do my "homework" and study this excelled forum, but somehow "the real field" situation is quite much different thing. At least for me.

OK, that's enough for the background. Yesterday I visited much praised mongers paradise in Sukhumvit road soi 33 (The L*’s). I had eaten there an excelled dinner just a day before and now I decided to collect my courage and visit in the bar too. To cut long story short, I went in, the staff was very friendly, I choose a young lady to have a drink with me, tried my best to have some kind of rapport (which I – erroneously – thought I managed to create), barfined the lady and back to my hotel we went. In the hotel everything went wrong: the lady didn’t want to have anything physical with me. OK, I understand: the barfine was not a guarantee for sexual services. So – after having tried to ask her numerous times what’s wrong – I sent her away with some money (not the total LT amount agreed earlier).

Well, s**t happens so everything should be OK now. However when I’m now thinking about those event in last night, there are still 2 things which bother me a bit.

First the lady left the bar with her bar clothes on. Since the ladies in that bar wear nice evening dresses, I thought that was a bit unusual. However after the shower she came to bed wearing normal clothes (typical t-shirt and shorts). I can’t help myself of thinking that the reason why she wore her work dress during the way to my hotel, is because she wanted to make sure that she had something clean enough when going to bed. Which also send me clear signal that sex is out of the question. So, she knew already when we left that there was not going to be any action. Does my theory makes any sense or I’m I just imaging things? Also, if she really didn’t want to be with me, should I just accept it because. Well, because I didn’t do something right or some other reason. Do you veterans ever find yourselves in this this kind of situation?

Another thing (and this is probably even more noob style! ) is that I would like to know what was wrong with me (except being stupid, inexperienced farang of course): did I smell bad or was it just because I’m so downright ugly! I would very much like to go back to bar today and ask mamasan to ask the lady what was wrong (the lady’s English was very weak). I understand that officially bar does not have anything to do with the things which take place after the customer and that lady have left the bar, but I still like to know what was going on. I’m certainly not a Brad Pitt, but I consider myself as a clean and nice man who treats other people with respect. Should I go back and try to find out the story behind her behaviour or am I just wasting my time in trying to understand what is going on in barlady’s mind?

L*’s was as excelled place as I was told and I like to stress out that I’m NOT trying to blame the bar in any way.

That was it: I thank you for your time used for reading this story. As you must have already noticed, English is not my first language – so I thank for your patience regarding of that as well.

If you have any thoughts or point of views regarding the actions I should have taken, they are greatly appreciated. Also hints how to do it better in next time are very welcome.

JRepsuJ

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[QUOTE=Andy Abs] ... By the way this girl has not been back to see her hubby for 19 months, and she insisted I was the only sexual experience she had had apart from her husband, in her life. Lucky me I think.[/QUOTE]

Trust me on this one, but I know Pinays real well, and they tell you what they think you want to hear. And IMHO, there is no way a lusty young Filipina is going to go without nooky for 19 months. About as much chance as a snowstorm in Bangkok!

There is a sure fire way of telling if a Filipina is telling porkies - her lips are moving ;).

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Trust me on this one, but I know Pinays real well, and they tell you what they think you want to hear. And IMHO, there is no way a lusty young Filipina is going to go without nooky for 19 months. About as much chance as a snowstorm in Bangkok!

There is a sure fire way of telling if a Filipina is telling porkies - her lips are moving ;).[/QUOTE]Yes you are probably right! Not really dabbled with them too much before. But it was good fun and free. I did take precautions. I will say she was very reserved. Not a real sexpert. Fun anyway!

[QUOTE=Giotto]JPF,

Bar fine THB 3000 - that was either a misunderstanding with the cousin, and she already included the "service fee", or they really tried to rip you off.

Bar fine in Soi Cowboy should be THB 600, and the rest is a deal between you and the girl.

THB 200 for a lady drink also seams to be a lot ... I heard now that most of the gogo's in nana charge THB 140 for a Heineken. Soi 33 now seams to be cheaper than those areas (except the bar fines).


Giotto[/QUOTE]

In my discussion with the cousin I told her that I had just had a quote of 600 baht for a bar fine at another Cowboy bar, so she knew that I knew current prices.

The price for lady drinks was higher because it was a tequila shot. They asked me before each one if it was okay to get that instead of a beer or regular drink and after looking at the slip the first time I knew I was paying a premium. But at the time I thought I was setting up for a good session; I didn't know they were just taking advantage.

[QUOTE=Giotto]... dead artists (painters) ...


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Sorry, of course you are right. I must have had "The Dead Poet's Society" movie in my brain.

Repsu
Interesting ... you do have a right to go back to the mamasan and ask her what transpired and some might argue to get the BF back.
I doubt its you but you may have a lot of body hair, a humungous phallus or bad body odor/bad breath - these are not generally game breakers for TGs.

My question to you is what did you negotiate before the bar fine?
You may have been too polite. If the girl specifically agreed to do boom boom (full sex), yum yum /smoken (BJ), bum bum (anal), all night till 10am with at least 2 pops (LT) ... then she welshed on the contract - the mamasan needs to know this.

You don't have to be too graphic when the girl speaks English, "you are very nice and I would like to take you out back to my hotel room. I am sure that you can make me happy but I have to ask will you use you beautiful lips on my c__k". This is a bit complex for the marginal English speakers who may need some hand signals. Some of the more refined girls respond by telling you that, in the spirit of Buddha, they just want to make sure you are happy (and Thank you Buddha for all that).

The major issue is always pre-negotiate.

The Millieu on soi 33 may be too complex for a new chap. Try the Biergarten on Soi 7, where most of the girls leave you with no questions about what you are about to get!

[QUOTE=Repsu]Hi....
To cut long story short, I went in, the staff was very friendly, I choose a young lady to have a drink with me, tried my best to have some kind of rapport (which I – erroneously – thought I managed to create), barfined the lady and back to my hotel we went. In the hotel everything went wrong: the lady didn’t want to have anything physical with me. OK, I understand: the barfine was not a guarantee for sexual services. So – after having tried to ask her numerous times what’s wrong – I sent her away with some money (not the total LT amount agreed earlier).
JRepsuJ

[quote=repsu]hi,

................ the lady didn’t want to have anything physical with me. ok, i understand: the barfine was not a guarantee for sexual services. so – after having tried to ask her numerous times what’s wrong – i sent her away with some money (not the total lt amount agreed earlier)...............

jrepsuj

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repsu

you did nothing wrong. had a similar experience at ll last year. just kicked her out with no money. did not ask for the bf back, though. my guess is that they agree to it for peer/bar pressure, even though they are not in the mood to fuck. saving face, maybe? i don't know. never understood women anyway.

but don't despair. there are some in there who will give you a great workout. ask the mamasan for a recommendation.

[QUOTE=Repsu]Yesterday I visited much praised mongers paradise in Sukhumvit road soi 33 (The L*’s). I had eaten there an excelled dinner just a day before and now I decided to collect my courage and visit in the bar too. To cut long story short, I went in, the staff was very friendly, I choose a young lady to have a drink with me, tried my best to have some kind of rapport (which I – erroneously – thought I managed to create), barfined the lady and back to my hotel we went. In the hotel everything went wrong: the lady didn’t want to have anything physical with me. OK, I understand: the barfine was not a guarantee for sexual services. So – after having tried to ask her numerous times what’s wrong – I sent her away with some money (not the total LT amount agreed earlier).
JRepsuJ[/QUOTE]
I think the best thing for you to do is to go back there, walk up to Giotto, who will be sitting at a table in the shade with his laptop, and just scream at him. tell him you don't like to be treated this way, and you want a free week, all included, in room 115. He is the overweight one legged gay looking blond Swedish guy with dreadlocks, who sits there with a cigar in his mouth, and a bloody mary at 9.00 am. Impossible to miss.

then, walk into the sports lounge, and nicely, politely, and calmly explain to the mamasan what happened with the girl you took out previously. She will understand the situation, as the girl probably will already have told her side of the story, and she will make sure you find a nice girl with whom you click, and with whom you can have fun.

tell us how it all goes. :D

[QUOTE=Repsu]First the lady left the bar with her bar clothes on. Since the ladies in that bar wear nice evening dresses, I thought that was a bit unusual. However after the shower she came to bed wearing normal clothes (typical t-shirt and shorts). [/QUOTE]

OK... the girl left the bar with an evening dress on and she showered and changed and came to bed WEARING clothes????? Um... OK (confused)...

Um... maybe I've been doing things wrong all my time but the most a girl ever came out of a shower in was a towel. That should have been your first sign that things were not clear between you two.

Are you sure you didn't get Auntie Guido?

Seriously... something doesn't sound right and yes you should talk to the mamasan, not the girl, the mamasan.

[QUOTE=Repsu]...
OK, that's enough for the background. Yesterday I visited much praised mongers paradise in Sukhumvit road soi 33 (The L*’s). I had eaten there an excelled dinner just a day before and now I decided to collect my courage and visit in the bar too. To cut long story short, I went in, the staff was very friendly, I choose a young lady to have a drink with me, tried my best to have some kind of rapport (which I – erroneously – thought I managed to create), barfined the lady and back to my hotel we went. In the hotel everything went wrong: the lady didn’t want to have anything physical with me. OK, I understand: the barfine was not a guarantee for sexual services. So – after having tried to ask her numerous times what’s wrong – I sent her away with some money (not the total LT amount agreed earlier).
...
[/QUOTE]Repsu,

Sorry to hear about this bad experience.

Do you know the name of the girl? You can publish it here, or send it to me in a PM. And then i will try to find out what has happened. Would be interesting to hear the girls POV of this case.



Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Tom Tomus,

No elections in that time period - up to now. But - things can change fast here in Thailand.

Giotto[/QUOTE]Thanks giotto for your answer! Hope it won't change. Specially in soi 33 because I stay in your lodge during my trip!

Best regards

Hi all,

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]OK... the girl left the bar with an evening dress on and she showered and changed and came to bed WEARING clothes????? Um... OK (confused)... [/QUOTE]Yes, that was what happened. Did I now win the saddest newbie of the year price? :-D

[QUOTE=Bearsk]My question to you is what did you negotiate before the bar fine?
[/QUOTE]I have to admit that I didn’t negotiate any specific services before barfining the lady. The mamasan told me ST/LT prices and that was it. That was obviously one of mistakes I made during that evening.

[QUOTE=Giotto]Repsu,

Do you know the name of the girl? You can publish it here, or send it to me in a PM. And then i will try to find out what has happened. Would be interesting to hear the girls POV of this case.

Giotto[/QUOTE]The name of the girl:

I’m sorry but I’m not sure any more. It is possible that it was Niu or something. I was not drunk in that evening, but names – even farang ones – are very difficult for me. However I’m sure that mamasan will remember me: I was that stupid looking guy with name "Johnny" (which is English version of my real name). I bought two drinks to mamasan during the evening and entertained people with my iPhone and satellite pictures of Google Map in it (we tried to locate LL in the picture! ). The lady was wearing white dress and the mamasan told me that she has been working in that bar in less than 1 month.

As I tried to make sure in my original report, my confusion does not have anything to do with LL itself. The time, effort and love used for that place were very easy to see and sense. The only reason I added the location information (I tried to hide it, at least a little bit) was because I thought that maybe I accidently broke some LL or soi 33 specific rules or something. In that case the location would have been relevant.

Giotto, I would greatly appreciate if one of you could ask the lady what went wrong. It is not (at least not too much) about my ego, but more I’m seeking here a learning experience: maybe my personal hygiene was not in best possible state (I walked from soi 2 to LL in that evening) or maybe I accidently said something wrong. Whatever the reason is I very much like to hear it. Though I’m sorry to waste your time for silly things like this.

Thank you once again to all of you for your comments!

Best regards,

JRepsuJ

[QUOTE=Piper1]I'm curious why you have been a member for almost a year, but your first ever report is a targeted criticism (albeit politely couched, which almost gives it some credibility). It's also interesting that you say English is not your first language, but linguistically your report is a mix of perfect grammar in most places and flawed grammar elsewhere. Interesting report.[/QUOTE]That is a very good point that you are making there. I – like too many fellow lurkers – have used this forum as a valuable source of information, but ungratefully forgot to give anything back. I can only defend my actions by claiming that my puny adventures have been so far so ordinary that they are boring. But still, in future I try to keep the basic giving and receiving ideology in my mind when I’m utilizing information received from the forum.

[Sorry about the next OT. ] Regarding my English skills, I thank you for your positive comments. My English has not always been this bad. Unfortunately lacking of practice and bad habit of using oversimplified language in instant message/email/other internet based communications have rotten that basic grammar knowledge I used to have. I wrote my original message quite many times before I accepted it to be good enough to be posted. Not so much to excel my vanished language skill, but more to show respect to you forum members. I assume there are many others than me who are not native English speakers and I hope it is enough from us if we just try our best with our own limitations.

JRepsuJ

Repsu: Sometimes this happens to the best of us (well to a certain extent). I for one would not of given her anything, if she did nothing other then shower at your place. I would just move on. Why don't you try and meet up with someone on here who can show you the ropes. If your there next week, I'll be happy to show you the rounds. Or try a massage parlor. I am not an expert, but I've had my fun there.

M&M

[QUOTE=Mangofan]
Also, I found that a girl absolutely refuses to negotiate, then she's "ATMed up the ass" (as people say) or has been hardened by the bar too much. I find these girls are usually crap in bed anyway, so I won't bother pursuing it.[/QUOTE]

First of all, as Mangofan says, prices are coming down, and this should be encouraged. And in my experience, although I rarely find myself in Cowboy or Nana gogos these days unless I'm dragged there (OK, not exactly kicking and screaming), if you get the sense that a girl is "ATMed up the ass," which I take to mean has a foreign "sponsor" and is just trolling for extra cash, she is likely not to be a lot of fun in bed- at best a "by the numbers" bonk, at worst a "get it over with buddy" lay. Then again, you may be treated to the amusing experience of her sponsor calling during or just post-bonk, which I would describe as a 10-minute intensive course in the Thai female psyche. Everyone planning to spend an extended stay here should experience that at least once.

The best girls to find are the ones who have not been in town long. To a girl just off the bus from Nakhon Nowhere, 1000 baht for an hour doing what she has been doing with the neighborhood boys for free probably seems like dream come true, and if the farang is even close to being a gentleman he'll seem like Sir Galahad compared to the chaps in the village. This is why it is a good idea, as Mangofan points out, to learn a little conversational Thai. And again, avoid the hardcore negotiators who want to make half their monthly rent (or more) for an hour's worth of sanook-free fornicating.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Its a lot easier and less complicated to just pay.
Even Nic had to dump most of his Giks due to complications. Often we don't want a proper relationship, but just to relieve the sexual urges.[/QUOTE]

I fully agree. While you might save money (but not even sure) in the long run by having a straigh non P4P relationship, it does come with its share of frustrations adn headaches. Thai ladies are world champions of Drama.

I have been here 4 years and I still believe that having a Thai GF, all things considered, just isn't worth it. Stick with Giks for a short while, fuck them, dump them and forget them (same as P4P) but don't let them turn into Girlfriends.

Thais are all about Classes, if you tell the girl she is your GIK, she will know exactly where she stands on your scale of importance. The thing you must accept though, is that if a girl is your gik, she also might get other guys on the side.

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]"No one here wants this style of bars"
What a statement!

By "here", do you mean members in ISG or men in general who visit BKK?
If nobody wants this type of bars as you put it, surely places like this one would be closing down soon. But somehow I dont think so.[/QUOTE]

By "here" I mean Bangkok (yes, I live here).
Look at things this way: if there was a NEED for this style of places, then we would have a handful of them wouldn't we?
Supply and Demand.

The Strip in PAtong 2 isn't even a real Strip club, you take the girl in a closed area (cubicle like) and she will do everything she can to push HJ or BJ so she can make money. Thai girls will not be enthusiastic about dancing around you for 30 mn adn only getting paid 100 thb by the management.

Anyway, all these discussions are pointless, get here and good luck trying to find a strip joint.

Since you're so confident, why not open a stip joint here yourself? looks like you are convinced people would love it? Maybe you can even buy the Strip off of Auron's (owner) hands.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101]Maybe my question should have been to ask you guys for the most exciting itinerary for a night out that doesn't involve only sex. I love music and would love a recommendation from the experts on which bars are the best for rock/hard rock music.

Thanks again and cheers/Pulse[/QUOTE]

Here's what I would do:

19h Go for a 2 hours Massage session at Tulip
21h Grab something to eat
22h start off at Angelwitch (Nana Plaza), I think their shows start at 10pm, Rock/Hard rock Music, entertaining shows.
23h move to Rainbow 4 to see the Talent
23h Second option is to go to Soi Comboy (Suzi Wong's Lesbian Show)

By then you should have recovered from the Tulip sex and ready for another night of fucking.

Round the bars and find the cutie you want to spend the night with: I recommend Shark.

If you want Fun in the bar, then there are places that offer this in Soi Cowboy: Jungle Jims, Toy Bar, Moonshine Join, Fannys. At these bars, just buy the ladies drinks adn they will stip in front of you, let you suck their tits, finger their pussies, give you a handjob (all in the bar).

Good luck and have fun.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Here's what I would do:

19h Go for a 2 hours Massage session at Tulip

21h Grab something to eat

22h start off at Angelwitch (Nana Plaza), I think their shows start at 10pm, Rock/Hard rock Music, entertaining shows. 23h move to Rainbow 4 to see the Talent

23h Second option is to go to Soi Comboy (Suzi Wong's Lesbian Show)

By then you should have recovered from the Tulip sex and ready for another night of fucking.

Round the bars and find the cutie you want to spend the night with: I recommend Shark.

If you want Fun in the bar, then there are places that offer this in Soi Cowboy: Jungle Jims, Toy Bar, Moonshine Join, Fannys. At these bars, just buy the ladies drinks adn they will stip in front of you, let you suck their tits, finger their pussies, give you a handjob (all in the bar).

Good luck and have fun.[/QUOTE]Awesome! That really sounds like a plan. I'll probably only make one change. The last time I was in BKK, I had a few beers in this bar a few yards down the NEP complex. Pretty decent band playing classic/hard rock. Will check that bar between 21-2200hrs.

Cheers and thanks a bunch for the recos.

Pulse

[QUOTE=1Ball]I think the best thing for you to do is to go back there, walk up to Giotto, who will be sitting at a table in the shade with his laptop, and just scream at him. tell him you don't like to be treated this way, and you want a free week, all included, in room 115. He is the overweight one legged gay looking blond Swedish guy with dreadlocks, who sits there with a cigar in his mouth, and a bloody mary at 9.00 am. Impossible to miss.
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[/QUOTE]Repsu,

Now that you know how to find me get over here, that we can drink a coffee together and make plans how to KICK ARSE OF THIS BESTARD 1Ball :) !


Giotto

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Wow, one can get laid in Bangkok. I never knew that!!![/QUOTE]I did reply yesterday to you sarcastic comments! Alas it has not been printed. Probably because it was a little too strong. So I shall be nicer in my comments to you. (same venom in my mind)

Yes you can get laid in Bangkok. Maybe not for free for people like you. But then that's what you are here for isn't it. Unable to get the freebies from home? BTW where are you from? Retired Army. Which army did you retire from? Can I ask. Do you have anything interesting to report on. I mean your own experiences, or do you just comment on others?

Went to Nataree in Petchaburi.

Took metro (subway) from Sukhumvit toward Jatuchak direction.

Exit toward the back of the train. (on the right as you walk toward the back).

There it is just one minute of walk away on the right side of the road.
Besides Emmanuelle.

Go in and look at the fish bowl. Only one girl is smiling and giving me eye contact but she look ok. A bit round and short but nice breast.

The manager tells me to take her as she is smiling at me. Seems that the trick of looking at girls that siles at you is starting to be known. I feel that it is her turn but her smile is genuine enough that I am OK with this.

Cost was 1600-2000 (can not remember).

She had a very good attitude (would say 8).

We go in the room on a higher floor. Room has that green washed off look that you see in hospital. Room seems a bit old but everything is clean.

Got the usual drink (water for me) and we talk a little bit. Usual story: 28, has one child with her parents outside Bangkok.

She undress and starts the bath. Did a good job at washing me but most thai ladies will do.

As we turn to the "Bed", I take care of her a little bit. I think she came (from her reaction and what she told me). Then I put the condom and start to make it with her. I was OK but I could not come (at 50... sometimes I don't Also I had a girl previous night.).

But the experience was interesting and enjoyable. She felt a bit sorry that I did not come but that was OK.

Did feel the place and the service was good.

Look - 7
Service -8
Attitude -8

Will go back but I need to see other places.

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[QUOTE=Repsu]...
Giotto, I would greatly appreciate if one of you could ask the lady what went wrong. It is not (at least not too much) about my ego, but more I’m seeking here a learning experience: maybe my personal hygiene was not in best possible state (I walked from soi 2 to LL in that evening) or maybe I accidently said something wrong. Whatever the reason is I very much like to hear it. Though I’m sorry to waste your time for silly things like this.
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[/QUOTE]Repsu,

We checked already yesterday after I read your report (which girls have been barfined), and we will talk today. We also came to the result that the girls name might be New/Niu.

In response to all the reports regarding this issue:

My POV is that the girls working in Livingstone's Sports Lounge of course DO NOT HAVE to go out with customers. There is no such pressure from the bar / management. But IF THEY DO they know what they do, and if the don't want any "closer contact" they HAVE TO tell the customers before he barfines them.

It happens from time to time that a customer takes a girl out only for dinner / dancing - it happens more than you think. But - this is a special arrangement between the girl and the customer, and it must be a clear and honest arrangement from the beginning, otherwise I would understand it as a rip-off.

I will let you know the outcome of our discussion with that girl.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Repsu]Hi,

Could you, more experienced forum members please help me out to understand events which took place yesterday.

Before I continue my story, here’s a little background: I have been in Thailand once before but I’m very inexperienced with barfining a lady. I have tried to do my "homework" and study this excelled forum, but somehow "the real field" situation is quite much different thing. At least for me.

OK, that's enough for the background. Yesterday I visited much praised mongers paradise in Sukhumvit road soi 33 (The L*’s). I had eaten there an excelled dinner just a day before and now I decided to collect my courage and visit in the bar too. To cut long story short, I went in, the staff was very friendly, I choose a young lady to have a drink with me, tried my best to have some kind of rapport (which I – erroneously – thought I managed to create), barfined the lady and back to my hotel we went. In the hotel everything went wrong: the lady didn’t want to have anything physical with me. OK, I understand: the barfine was not a guarantee for sexual services. So – after having tried to ask her numerous times what’s wrong – I sent her away with some money (not the total LT amount agreed earlier).

Well, s**t happens so everything should be OK now. However when I’m now thinking about those event in last night, there are still 2 things which bother me a bit.

First the lady left the bar with her bar clothes on. Since the ladies in that bar wear nice evening dresses, I thought that was a bit unusual. However after the shower she came to bed wearing normal clothes (typical t-shirt and shorts). I can’t help myself of thinking that the reason why she wore her work dress during the way to my hotel, is because she wanted to make sure that she had something clean enough when going to bed. Which also send me clear signal that sex is out of the question. So, she knew already when we left that there was not going to be any action. Does my theory makes any sense or I’m I just imaging things? Also, if she really didn’t want to be with me, should I just accept it because. Well, because I didn’t do something right or some other reason. Do you veterans ever find yourselves in this this kind of situation?

Another thing (and this is probably even more noob style! ) is that I would like to know what was wrong with me (except being stupid, inexperienced farang of course): did I smell bad or was it just because I’m so downright ugly! I would very much like to go back to bar today and ask mamasan to ask the lady what was wrong (the lady’s English was very weak). I understand that officially bar does not have anything to do with the things which take place after the customer and that lady have left the bar, but I still like to know what was going on. I’m certainly not a Brad Pitt, but I consider myself as a clean and nice man who treats other people with respect. Should I go back and try to find out the story behind her behaviour or am I just wasting my time in trying to understand what is going on in barlady’s mind?

L*’s was as excelled place as I was told and I like to stress out that I’m NOT trying to blame the bar in any way.

That was it: I thank you for your time used for reading this story. As you must have already noticed, English is not my first language – so I thank for your patience regarding of that as well.

If you have any thoughts or point of views regarding the actions I should have taken, they are greatly appreciated. Also hints how to do it better in next time are very welcome.

JRepsu[/quote]I was in December in Bangkok. One girl I selected in Soi 33 wanted to go home immediately after dinner. But she wanted the entire money I promised. I paid some money and asked her to leave. I selected another girl in the same bar previously and she was very nice.

[QUOTE=Giotto]My POV is that the girls working in Livingstone's Sports Lounge of course DO NOT HAVE to go out with customers. There is no such pressure from the bar / management.[/QUOTE]

Yeah wish you'd change this rule!!!! I've asked three to marry me and only one accepted :(

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Yeah wish you'd change this rule!!!! I've asked three to marry me and only one accepted :([/QUOTE]Tansak KTV,

Auntie Guido accepted :) ??


Giotto

[QUOTE=Repsu]Yes, that was what happened. Did I now win the saddest newbie of the year price? :-D[/QUOTE]

Mate... a few of us were talking about your report and we were thinking back to our first times going into a bar / ***** house or such... We all have stories especially at the beginning. Unfortunately no you don't win any prize as you'd be amazed at the stupid things some of us have done.

What you do win is a couple of drinks on me if we meet up for manning up and posting.

It is unfortunate if there were problems and am surprised it happened there. You might have gotten a bad egg, there's a rotten apple in every bunch so don't let it slow you down.

[QUOTE=Giotto]Tansak KTV,

Auntie Guido accepted :) ??


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Bestard.. you are getting senile in your old age... How can you even think it was Auntie when you know my Emmy is right there...

[QUOTE=Repsu]Giotto, I would greatly appreciate if one of you could ask the lady what went wrong. ...
[/QUOTE]Repsu,

Mrs. Giotto is just back from a meeting with that girl. I write it down here the way it was told to me:

The girl is new, quite young, working in this business for the first time in her life. She started working here approx. a month ago, and she had 2 - 3 customers already. But then the last one came, a younger man, and she stayed longer time with him --> it then was more than only a business relationship.

After this guy left you were her first customer - and she really wanted to [try]. But she somehow couldn't make it, did not feel good, was not ready, she still missed somebody ...

That means: All that had basically NOTHING to do with you, it was her own emotional problem.

As she told Mrs. Giotto she then offered to only sleep there, that at least you don't have to stay alone in your room. And - after you offered money there must have been a small discussion - she did not want to take it, you insisted to a certain extend ... and finally some amount was put to her hand bag [I would like to know whether you can confirm that].

As I see you did not do anything wrong, and you definitely acted like a gentleman. [b]Thank you very much for that![/b] As for her - I understand her feelings, I understand that on the other side she needs to make money, and I hope that she can next time make the right decision NOT to go out in such a situation, that problems like this can be avoided.

Don't worry about her, we simply talked to her, explained the customers POV ... nothing more. She was not happy about her own behaviour at all, no serious word was necessary.

If you are still in Bangkok - come over here, and we talk about it in details (use 1Balls description how to identify me :) ). I will for sure develop some ideas how we can make it up.


Giotto

Can we please keep this "Livingstones lodge" stuff over on the ll thread!

Thats what its there for!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Thai ladies are world champions of Drama.[/QUOTE]LOL. Certainly some are into that bigtime.

You gotta tell them, "Save the drama for your mama".

Others, many of the P4P TG's at least, are very business like and polite, even can be friendly, but should not be mistaken for a GF.

I fuck them, and play with them, and that's it.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Stick with Giks for a short while, fuck them, dump them and forget them (same as P4P) but don't let them turn into Girlfriends.[/QUOTE]GF's equal clingyness and possessiveness & diaster, esp w TGs.

Once you have a GF, she owns you. OTH, for example!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Thais are all about Classes, if you tell the girl she is your GIK, she will know exactly where she stands on your scale of importance. The thing you must accept though, is that if a girl is your gik, she also might get other guys on the side.[/QUOTE]And she must accept that you are getting other girls on the side.

As we know you are!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I have been here 4 years and I still believe that having a Thai GF, all things considered, just isn't worth it.[/QUOTE]Trust me, this is a universal truth. Don't believe the Hollywood chick flick bull shit many have been brainwashed by.

[QUOTE=Giotto]

If you are still in Bangkok - come over here, and we talk about it in details (use 1Balls description how to identify me :) ). I will for sure develop some ideas how we can make it up.

Giotto[/QUOTE]

I have been following this thread from the beginning and hoped you would find a way to resolve his problem. I am a confirmed fan of LL (and you) and I have never ever been to Thailand. I still hope to visit this summer or fall and feel I will be welcomed at your fine hotel.

Slim

[QUOTE=Giotto]Repsu,

Mrs. Giotto is just back from a meeting with that girl. I write it down here the way it was told to me:

The girl is new, quite young, working in this business for the first time in her life. She started working here approx. a month ago, and she had 2 - 3 customers already. But then the last one came, a younger man, and she stayed longer time with him --> it then was more than only a business relationship.

After this guy left you were her first customer - and she really wanted to [try]. But she somehow couldn't make it, did not feel good, was not ready, she still missed somebody ...

That means: All that had basically NOTHING to do with you, it was her own emotional problem.

Giotto[/QUOTE]Omg,

I don't know if it was me the young guy, but I did BF New.

I remember well this night. I had an headache so decided to have no action that night.

I had dinner at LL and then headed to the bar. Then Mamasan introduce me some girls and I chose New to be with me. She told me that it was her second week of work there or something like that. She is very cute but very shy.

After one hour, I was quite tired and I ask her to come with me in my room if she wanted. She declined and one of the girl told me that she have her period, I said ok, no pb.

I went back to my room. I was watching TV, then the phone rang and it was her. She told me to come downstairs because she wanted to tell me something. But her english is very poor, so another woman came to translate (by the way if it is your wife Giotto, she is a very beautiful woman and looks like to be a very nice person and she have a wonderful smile). That woman explain to me that New would like to come to my room but not for sex. I told her that I just want someone to be with me tonight, so we will talk, watch tv, yes just don't want to be alone that night. No sex involved.

So New came to my room, we just had a few kisses and we slept together arms embraced without doing nothing sexual. It was a nice night. The day after I was busy with tourism and very early the next morning I took my plane, before leaving the hotel, she left her phone number for me.

I think she is a virgin girl looking for a romance or something like that, she is very very shy. But one thing is sure, you should have noticed in the bar that she is not the type of girl want to sleep with customer, she is so shy.

Maybe I sounds stupid to BF a girl and doing nothing with her, but I repeat, I had a great night with her. Will try to call her later.

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[QUOTE=Andy Abs]I did reply yesterday to you sarcastic comments! Alas it has not been printed. Probably because it was a little too strong. So I shall be nicer in my comments to you. (same venom in my mind)

Yes you can get laid in Bangkok. Maybe not for free for people like you. But then that's what you are here for isn't it. Unable to get the freebies from home? BTW where are you from? Retired Army. Which army did you retire from? Can I ask. Do you have anything interesting to report on. I mean your own experiences, or do you just comment on others?[/QUOTE]


No venom in my mind.

I just like to read the comments of "Thailand experts" like you, and when they start sounding stupid, I weigh in on the subject. Sometimes with real insight and sometimes just to "needle" little &*^$%# like you just to see if the will bite and I can get a rise out of them.

And, by the way, I retired from the "real" Army.

[QUOTE=Fellouss]Maybe I sounds stupid to BF a girl and doing nothing with her, but I repeat, I had a great night with her. Will try to call her later.[/QUOTE]

No, you aren't stupid. The most important is that you had a great time and that does not necessarily have to include sex.

[QUOTE=Engjoe]Tried Eden Club, the the 2 girl place, which is a 5 or so minute walk away (leave Goldnen Palace, turn right, walk to Sukumvit Road, turn left, 5 minute walk and its on your left down soi 7 or 11 I think - you'll see it. Frankly, it wasn't that great but then I'd just had a heavy travel day so maybe me. 2 girls is mandatory (you can't pick just one), yellow line.... a net search will reveal all! If you go to Eden, try and take 5 minutes or preferably more to acclimatize. The girls I got were OK looking, but I think I could have got better if I'd taken longer to acclimatize.

Cabs from airport: only take a metered one and tell them you will pay toll highway. Basic fare this way to the Golden Palace is 300 Baht plus a 100 Baht or so for the toll roads and you'll be at the hotel in less than 30 minutes without any drama (the hotel is close to a toll highway exit).

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I tried Hell Club in Pattaya, so Eden is on my list as well, unless anyone can suggest another place to get a pair of eager beavers.

A note on an Airport Tax Scami: I got in one yestarday and once we were rolling I noticed the meter was obscured by a map. I reached forward and pulled the map off and saw it already had 70 baht on it (we'd gone 100m, so obviously this guy is padding the fares). I quickly negotiated a normal price and we were off, with the guy looking a bit guilty, but I wonder how many newbies off a long flight would check the meter when they get into the cab.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]No venom in my mind.

I just like to read the comments of "Thailand experts" like you, and when they start sounding stupid, I weigh in on the subject. Sometimes with real insight and sometimes just to "needle" little &*^$%# like you just to see if the will bite and I can get a rise out of them.

And, by the way, I retired from the "real" Army.[/QUOTE]I am no expert. Just different. I aint fucking little either. And you would'nt know how to get a bite out of fuck all. You aren't that clever. And what does "real army mean". Answer the question. Expose yourself a little, then we can all get to know this expert of all that is Thai! I expect you are all [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and vinegar.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]No venom in my mind.

I just like to read the comments of "Thailand experts" like you, and when they start sounding stupid, I weigh in on the subject. Sometimes with real insight and sometimes just to "needle" little &*^$%# like you just to see if the will bite and I can get a rise out of them.

And, by the way, I retired from the "real" Army.[/QUOTE]
Andy, swap the words 'insight' and 'stupid' round and you start to get the picture. Lived in Thailand for fuck-knows how many years but barely knows the way to the end of his own soi :D. But he [I]has[/I] learned plenty of cliche buzz-phrases.

Btw his army is the gung ho one with all the hi-tech that has a long history of blowing up it's allies' troops ('friendly fire' is, I believe, the correct buzz-phrase).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]No, you aren't stupid. The most important is that you had a great time and that does not necessarily have to include sex.[/QUOTE]True, but false for me.

W/O sex i wud be ready for an OD.

I mean, what wud there be to live4, besides OTH's posts?

LOL!

Working on drink number 8, inclusive of baccardi breezer orange 5%,
+ smirnoff raspberry 7%, plus okanagan peach cider 7 % = ~ 8 drinks,
= lemonaid.

OMG, the posts in this thread are too much! See 5184 & 5185.

No offences intended, just LOLs.

"Now i want to show my love for you by making Quebec pizza.

Poptart with ketchup" {Jacques Le Coq Grande, in The Love Guru}.

PP, Mao muk mak.

[QUOTE=Easy2007]Can we please keep this "Livingstones lodge" stuff over on the ll thread!

Thats what its there for![/QUOTE]
This is a thread for Bangkok bargirl experiences. Some people might learn something useful.
Not all newbie bargirls, know much about P4P, and their character may not have changed dramatically yet from a very shy girl not used to jumping into bed with guys.

For me, its easier to take an experienced MP girl of course.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]
Btw his army is the gung ho one with all the hi-tech that has a long history of blowing up it's allies' troops ('friendly fire' is, I believe, the correct buzz-phrase).[/QUOTE]

True. One of my father's favorite WW2 stories was when his airfield in France was strafed by Americans, who mistook the RCAF airforce-blue uniforms for Luftwaffe uniforms (despite the huge red, white, blue and yellow roundels on their Huricane and Spitfire fighter planes). They shot up the outhouse and killed his best friend who was "indisposed", at the time.

Of course, in recent times, the Americans shot up a column of Canadian troops in Afghanistan last year.

Perhaps, they just don't like us. ;)

[QUOTE=Fellouss]...Maybe I sounds stupid to BF a girl and doing nothing with her, but I repeat, I had a great night with her...[/QUOTE]I met a nice woman (34yo) at a Patong, Phuket beer bar a few days ago (at 5pm). I was having fun with a group of about six bar girls, taking pictures and buying a few drinks, when I noticed the prettiest one hanging back. She looked to be very sad, actually a combination of forlornness and fear. I asked her why and she said that it was only her 3rd day working in a bar and she didn't like it. She had never worked in a bar before and had turned down all offers to "go hotel." I wasn't planning on a big evening, so we talked for awhile. The rest of the girls pegged me as [i]jai dee[/i] and suggested to both of us that we "go." I paid her bar fine and told her I'd be back after a shower to take her to dinner. I had no intentions or expectations except to make her smile a bit. She was very shy, but told me at dinner that she felt better to be with me and out of the bar.

After dinner I asked what she wanted to do. "Up to you," was the reply. I was tired so we went back to my hotel room to watch TV. I told her she was welcome to stay, (i.e., sleep there), if she liked. Again, no intentions, as I was tired and falling asleep.

After her shower, when the lights went out, off came the white towel and she snuggled up next to me with her pert shapely body. I was very surprised and decided to take one step at a time with her and see what might happen...[i]cha, cha[/i]. She barely knew how to kiss in the beginning. Learning was the first step and she was a willing student. By the morning, after many hours of foreplay in between sleep, I had one of the sweetest love-making sessions of my young half century life. I rewarded her generously and suggested if she did not like the bar that she get the first bus back to Khon Kaen. I told her I'd come see her ("keep in touch").

I think the mamasans must plant these newbies in the bars to snare hopeless romantics like myself. Right now, the shy girl with the sad eyes is probably looking for another like me.

[QUOTE=Asian Travels]I tried Hell Club in Pattaya, so Eden is on my list as well, unless anyone can suggest another place to get a pair of eager beavers.

A note on an Airport Tax Scami: I got in one yestarday and once we were rolling I noticed the meter was obscured by a map. I reached forward and pulled the map off and saw it already had 70 baht on it (we'd gone 100m, so obviously this guy is padding the fares). I quickly negotiated a normal price and we were off, with the guy looking a bit guilty, but I wonder how many newbies off a long flight would check the meter when they get into the cab.[/QUOTE]You discover a big scam. It worths the incredible amount of 70 baht (1. 80 euro)!

I would call immediately the Police.

Come on! It's normal in countries like Thailand that low-salary workers try to make a living on small rip-off.

From what you wrote you didn't get angry and that's very good.

It's like a game: they try to put some baht over the meter: sometimes they succed, sometimes they don't.

Nothing to worry about.

Italy 1974

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I met a nice woman (34yo) at a Patong, Phuket beer bar a few days ago (at 5pm). I was having fun with a group of about six bar girls, taking pictures and buying a few drinks, when I noticed the prettiest one hanging back. [/QUOTE]
Ah, out of curiosity, which one is the prettiest one?

[QUOTE=Italy 1974]You discover a big scam. It worths the incredible amount of 70 baht (1. 80 euro)!

I would call immediately the Police.

Come on! It's normal in countries like Thailand that low-salary workers try to make a living on small rip-off.

From what you wrote you didn't get angry and that's very good.

It's like a game: they try to put some baht over the meter: sometimes they succed, sometimes they don't.

Nothing to worry about.

Italy 1974[/QUOTE]very good. Make this normal and the next step is not far. If you feel like it, tip him 10000 Baht, but a scam is a scam.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]
I met a nice woman (34yo) at a Patong, Phuket beer bar a few days ago (at 5pm). I was having fun with a group of about six bar girls, taking pictures and buying a few drinks, when I noticed the prettiest one hanging back. She looked to be very sad, actually a combination of forlornness and fear. [/QUOTE]

Which girl was it then? My guess is the one in the black shiny dress. But none of them appear shy, forlorn or fearful, rather well hardened bar girls! But whatever you got your money's worth.

PS There is a separate Phuket thread

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]very good. Make this normal and the next step is not far. If you feel like it, tip him 10000 Baht, but a scam is a scam.[/QUOTE]Did I deny the taxi driver tried to rip him off?

I don't think so.

I just wrote that you are talking about 1. 80 euro.

All this discussion reminds me the unforgettable threads about the baht-bus drivers in Pattaya trying to rip off our poor farangs of the incredible amount of 5 baht per trip.

Dirty bastards!

Italy 1974

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Andy, swap the words 'insight' and 'stupid' round and you start to get the picture. Lived in Thailand for fuck-knows how many years but barely knows the way to the end of his own soi :D. But he [I]has[/I] learned plenty of cliche buzz-phrases.

Btw his army is the gung ho one with all the hi-tech that has a long history of blowing up it's allies' troops ('friendly fire' is, I believe, the correct buzz-phrase).[/QUOTE]Thanks Terry for putting me in the picture about our rather sarcastic hero. I owe you a drink.

So Retired Army you are a Retired American "Real Army"! Now is the quote "real army" meant to belittle the British Army. Especially The Parachute Regiment. If so be careful. The Parachute Regiment is the youngest of British regiments, but it's a regiment that has earned admiration in all fields of conflict. I will not make comments about the American army in general, but I do remember jumping with the American Airborne once, a tactical jump. We jumped at 550 feet no reserve. The Americans chose 1000 feet and 2 parachutes. This was in the early eighties.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]OMG, the posts in this thread are too much! See 5184 & 5185.

No offences intended, just LOLs.

"Now i want to show my love for you by making Quebec pizza.

Poptart with ketchup" {Jacques Le Coq Grande, in The Love Guru}.

PP, Mao muk mak.[/QUOTE]It is quite clear you don't like me. Maybe we should meet? Then you can tell me to my face! You quote my posts. What about your dribble. We are all talking about sex. And you are talking about fucking kids and making pizza. Hurry up and die!

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Ah, out of curiosity, which one is the prettiest one?[/QUOTE]

No Offence meant to the Original Poster (Fon Tok) but I wouldn't call any of the bunch "pretty".

Hi,

Big thanks for you, Giotto and other forum members for sorting things out, good advices and hints!

[QUOTE=Giotto]Repsu,

As she told Mrs. Giotto she then offered to only sleep there, that at least you don't have to stay alone in your room. And - after you offered money there must have been a small discussion - she did not want to take it, you insisted to a certain extend ... and finally some amount was put to her hand bag [I would like to know whether you can confirm that].

Giotto[/QUOTE]Yes, I can confirm that she refused to take the money. I’m really sorry that I didn’t make this clear enough in my original report. Especially because it made girl’s behaviour look worst that it really was. The money (no bf nor the amount I gave to the girl) was not problem for me. When she was leaving (and yes, I asked her to leave) I didn’t understand what was wrong and the girl had spent some time in my room already, so it was too late for her to have another customer. So I felt I should give her something for her time. Regarding just sleeping/waking up together in order to have someone with me at the morning, I have to admit that I’m not so good sport as some of my monger colleagues: waking up with her would be just a reminder of the failure, no matter how pretty face that reminder has!

Please send my greetings to the lady: no hard feelings in this side either.

[QUOTE=Giotto]Repsu,

Now that you know how to find me get over here, that we can drink a coffee together and make plans how to KICK ARSE OF THIS BESTARD 1Ball !

Giotto[/QUOTE] I dunno. In many ways 1Ball’s suggestion makes sense to me! : D: D

[QUOTE=Mimonger]Repsu: Sometimes this happens to the best of us (well to a certain extent). I for one would not of given her anything, if she did nothing other then shower at your place. I would just move on. Why don't you try and meet up with someone on here who can show you the ropes. If your there next week, I'll be happy to show you the rounds. Or try a massage parlor. I am not an expert, but I've had my fun there.

M&M[/QUOTE] Thank you M&M, however I already will be away next week. Which is a great shame, because I really would appreciate a few words of wisdom from more experienced monger colleague in real world situation!

[QUOTE=Nvslim]I have been following this thread from the beginning and hoped you would find a way to resolve his problem. I am a confirmed fan of LL (and you) and I have never ever been to Thailand. I still hope to visit this summer or fall and feel I will be welcomed at your fine hotel.

Slim[/QUOTE] I agree: LL is a great place and I hope to visit there again in my next Thailand/BKK trip.

The reason why I posted my report to general BKK section instead of LL’s own was because I was somewhat quite sure this whole issue was not LL specific. Posting it here offered a possibility for me (and other beginners – I hope) to receive analyzes/opinions/hints also from those members who are not active LL section.

Once more time thank you for everyone involved this discussion! For us mongers it is fascinating word out there – let’s enjoy it before it is too late.

-- JRepsuJ

[QUOTE=Italy 1974]You discover a big scam. It worths the incredible amount of 70 baht (1. 80 euro)!

I would call immediately the Police.

Come on! It's normal in countries like Thailand that low-salary workers try to make a living on small rip-off.

From what you wrote you didn't get angry and that's very good.

It's like a game: they try to put some baht over the meter: sometimes they succed, sometimes they don't.

Nothing to worry about.

Italy 1974[/QUOTE]

The amount wasn't the issue. The fact he was pulling a scam was. In the end he suggested a set price which I agreed to, but he took me to the wrong part of town (he misread the directions in Thai I gave him), and kept complaining he was going to lose money since it was further than he expected. I did give him a little more than we agreed to since he was pretty funny about losing money.

I agree not to get upset, but letting these guys know what we are aware of things is the best thing to do. If they want more money, then they can negtiate it. Scamming is just wrong.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]No Offence meant to the Original Poster (Fon Tok) but I wouldn't call any of the bunch "pretty".[/QUOTE][i]Ahh...[/i]Monsieur Nic:
Thank you for pointing out the obvious once again. The sentence reads, "I was having fun with a group of about six bar girls...when I noticed the prettiest one hanging back." A simple sentence of comparison that might have possibly been more "monger-correct" without pictures. Sure, they are just ordinary looking bar girls trying to make a buck in a slow high season, but these women were a lot of fun for a few hours of idle play at a dive Patong bar.

For some people, beauty can be more than skin deep. No offense to your eye for "beauty," but when you are older, wiser, and not so [i]law mak,[/i] you will have a different perspective on these things (maybe).

[QUOTE=Fon Tok][i]Ahh...[/i]For some people, beauty can be more than skin deep. No offense to your eye for "beauty," but when you are older, wiser, and not so [i]law mak,[/i] you will have a different perspective on these things (maybe).[/QUOTE]

I fully agree with your assessment: I am LAW MAK :D

ok, all joking aside! I agree that beauty is in the eye of the dear Punter but some have a taste for very superior looking faces. I like a nice face but prefer to look at tits and Ass also :)

And please, continue your random Ladies in the street Pictures... I miss them greatly

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I fully agree with your assessment: I am LAW MAK :D

ok, all joking aside! I agree that beauty is in the eye of the dear Punter but some have a taste for very superior looking faces. I like a nice face but prefer to look at tits and Ass also :)

And please, continue your random Ladies in the street Pictures... I miss them greatly[/QUOTE]
Nic finds his incredible beauties at Annies! LOL :D
He has been very rather grumpy for a while now. ;)
Not like the happy go lucky Nic from 2 years ago.

But even I moderate my requirements for stunners on occasions. Stunning body and stunning performance can sway me if face is at least "lovely" or "cute".

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Nic finds his incredible beauties at Annies! LOL :D

Dammit! you had to spill the beans! now every ISGer is going to show up at Annies and take away all my stunners :(

[quote]He has been very rather grumpy for a while now. ;)
Not like the happy go lucky Nic from 2 years ago.
[/QUOTE]

Very simple explanation: I work more and play less :(

so i flew in on the 12th and i was lucky enough to sit behind two guys who drank their duty free and acted like total idiots. there was spitting of water, harrassing people, it was pure class. i was hoping that security would be waiting when we landed to drag them away but alas, no such luck.

i am staying at the federal hotel which is off soi 11. its 1500 a night and i got one of the newly renovated rooms, but i kinda wish i had stayed at the royal asia lodge again for 1k a night. federal is ok, but its a bit of a hike as well as its kinda like a motel. pool is nice but there is some major construction going on next door and we had some debris float down into the pool. however the big minus points are the ac sounding like a shower every 30 mins, i woke up a couple of times thinking someone was in the shower. also the bed was as hard as a rock!! not a pleasant thing to sleep in and the tv channels totally sucked as well. only had like star movies and bbc news which were of any interest.

but went for a wander when i got in and got an oil massage at a place next to eden. i am trying to be more assertive now when it comes to picking the girls because the last times i was here i would just go along with any girl they threw me with. the girl i got was ok tho and was complaining that i was only her 2nd customer of the day. she tried to upsell a happy ending at the end because of the low customers that day, but i refused. i paid up 300 for the hour and tipped her 20baht. she didnt look happy with that, but i wasnt concerned.

i hopped next door to eden just to have a look because the prices have jumped to 3600 a session now which is something out of my price range because i am back at uni studying. i did have a beer for 100b and checked out the ladies and left. it was amusing watching chris demonstrate what was on offer to the girls and even pointing out on his own body where someone can fuck the girls.

the next day i went to tai pit or the computers area to buy some cables i forgot. got an iphone cable for 150 baht which wasnt bad.

later in the day i proceeded to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], as i was a constant visitor last time in pattaya i thought i would give the bkk one a go. once again being more assertive with my selections, i stood outside and looked over the lovelys that would soon be on their knees for me and picked one who was slim with a cute face. but as i went in, i saw one that i really wished i could have taken.

anyway i picked dao, and she was good. took awhile to get her top off and she had nice b cup tits. the head was pretty good but not much eye contact. also she didnt like having her right breast touched but the other was fair go. after awhile i came at my own hand but she didnt catch it in her mouth in time and i got hit on the shirt. her style was mostly a hand job with licking of the tip. but its been awhile so i didnt mind that much. should mention that it cost 700b with a 100b tip. do many people tip at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]?

heading down to pattaya tommorow and catching the bus down so i dont have to fork out for a cab!

more to come

[quote=hades]. should mention that it cost 700b with a 100b tip. do many people tip at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]?[/quote]

i once tipped a girl 2500 at the bkk [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] because it took her a lot of time and effort (about 30 minutes non-stop sucking) for me to cum. even went as far undressing completely and let me finger her ass (and there were people in the cubicles next to us). i think she deserved it. but then again i am just the son of a wealthy business man.

[quote=rguy89]i once tipped a girl 2500 at the bkk [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] because it took her a lot of time and effort (about 30 minutes non-stop sucking) for me to cum. even went as far undressing completely and let me finger her ass (and there were people in the cubicles next to us). i think she deserved it. but then again i am just the son of a wealthy business man.[/quote]

rguy, on this forum you have already mentioned a hundred times you are the "son of a wealthy business man". you make me puke! probably you have not done anything useful yourself that you can brag about?!

[QUOTE=Fslag338]Rguy, You make me puke! Probably you have not done anything useful yourself that you can brag about?![/QUOTE]

I know the forum price police will also puke over this, but would you classify him tipping a girl 2500B as being something useful he can brag about?:)

[QUOTE=Rguy89] But then again I am just the son of a wealthy business man.[/QUOTE]
Rguy, you are an inspiration to us all. When I grow up, I want to be just like youuuuuuuu.
Your wealthy business man father must be so proud of you.

[quote=hades]do many people tip at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]?[/quote]

yes, but usually they get more than just a glorified hj with a little dick-tip licking. ;)

i usually tip 300

i once popped into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s on the way to the airport as i had an hour to spare and had never been there. after leading an elephant to the side of the alley so i could get inside [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (seriously), i chose a girl and went upstairs to one of the curtained cubicles. because i had already shagged twice earlier in the day, even her expert bj just could not make me come after 30 minutes. it was hard work for her, but the sweetie didn't complain, she just stopped occasionally to catch her breath, then soldiered on. i looked at my watch and realized i had only thirty minutes before i had to rush to the airport.

a 400baht tip had her clothes off (except her skirt) and me taking her hard and fast doggy-style for the next 20 minutes until i came. we were both panting throughout (muffled panting, as there were people inches away from us behind curtains) and when i finally came, exhausted, she collapsed with her head on my lap for a few minutes while we caught our breath. seeing the feet of a girl on her knees in the next cubicle under the curtain was a bit of a distraction during sex.

[quote=hades]...cost 700b with a 100b tip. do many people tip at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]?

more to come[/quote]

hades -

i'm in the same boat being in graduate school - hell, all my times to los i've either been in grad school or a volunteer.

i suggest the star of light in patpong as i can usually get them to go for the 'slimmers lunch' for 500b and the s. botan mp which used to be 800b but now might be up to 1k. sometimes at these places you can either get a cute face or a nice body - but usually not both in the same package.

i'm arriving on the 19th if you're back in bkk then - we could trade notes on the budget scene. cheers.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy][QUOTE=Soap Fan]Nic finds his incredible beauties at Annies! LOL :D [/Quote]

Dammit! you had to spill the beans! now every ISGer is going to show up at Annies and take away all my stunners :(

[/QUOTE]
LOL That's more like the old Nic. :D

[QUOTE=Hades]So I flew in on the 12th and I was lucky enough to sit behind two guys who drank their duty free and acted like total idiots. There was spitting of water, harrassing people, it was pure class. I was hoping that security would be waiting when we landed to drag them away but alas, no such luck.[/QUOTE]That reminds me. I did cum to this earlier today.

"After their first holiday here, many visitors assume that the expat scene in Thailand is populated by a friendly bunch of oversexed playboys without a care in the world but the unpalatable truth is that the place is overrun by some of the angriest and most vindictive malcontents you could ever hope to meet and bust-ups happen all the time. A chum of mine calls it "Jungle Jim" Syndrome after a 1930s comic book that depicted bizarre internecine conflicts in colonial Asia between white men in pith helmets.

"So long as you don't get involved, it can be quite amusing." {Unnamed}

"Some posters here are 18 and 19. I have underwear older than that."
{Unknown}.

Last night I was coming home at about 1am and came along that back road to Petchaburi that is behind the Siam Coffeshop (that back alley type of road next to the railway line..very well known)...there were some really beautiful girls there and mostly all the white or at least fair skinned Thai spec variety..the girls were asking 1,300THB for short time but had to be at nearby hotel and wouldnt come back to my apartment in Sukhumvit....i was very impressed with the quality of the girls..very impressed.

It was late and I had had a long day so wanted to take something back to my apartment and so I went to the parking lot at Nana (a long time since I have been there)..the girls by comparison were absolute skanks and they just repulsed me..basically the same skanks that have been stood there everyday for the last 4 years!! The difference in quality was quite staggering and could not bear to take any girl from there.

After 4 years living in Bangkok now i think it is true that for the best experiences you should go Thai style..they have been at this game a lot longer than us and know the game much better than us..of course it does all come down to personal taste though.

A couple of weeks ago I went to Copacabana Massage on Ratchada with some Thai work colleaugues...the girl I had was picked by the Papasan and she was absolutely awesome and the srvice just blew me away..the papasan told me that this girl was only medium service and that I should come back again if i want the real top service and he will arange it for me...Then earler this week I went to Tulip to see the famed Dao..although the service was good and the blow job exceptional the overall intensity and spontonaity were nothing compared to the Copcabana girl.

Just my two cents worth, but I reckon the best girls and best times are to be had in the Thai style places..each to his own though.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy]Last night I was coming home at about 1am and came along that back road to Petchaburi that is behind the Siam Coffeshop (that back alley type of road next to the railway line..very well known)...there were some really beautiful girls there and mostly all the white or at least fair skinned Thai spec variety..the girls were asking 1,300THB for short time but had to be at nearby hotel and wouldnt come back to my apartment in Sukhumvit....i was very impressed with the quality of the girls..very impressed.

It was late and I had had a long day so wanted to take something back to my apartment and so I went to the parking lot at Nana (a long time since I have been there)..the girls by comparison were absolute skanks and they just repulsed me..basically the same skanks that have been stood there everyday for the last 4 years!! The difference in quality was quite staggering and could not bear to take any girl from there.

After 4 years living in Bangkok now i think it is true that for the best experiences you should go Thai style..they have been at this game a lot longer than us and know the game much better than us..of course it does all come down to personal taste though.

A couple of weeks ago I went to Copacabana Massage on Ratchada with some Thai work colleaugues...the girl I had was picked by the Papasan and she was absolutely awesome and the srvice just blew me away..the papasan told me that this girl was only medium service and that I should come back again if i want the real top service and he will arange it for me...Then earler this week I went to Tulip to see the famed Dao..although the service was good and the blow job exceptional the overall intensity and spontonaity were nothing compared to the Copcabana girl.

Just my two cents worth, but I reckon the best girls and best times are to be had in the Thai style places..each to his own though.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Thai Style/Places. I went to the new La Belle last night. Had a very good time, excellent service, much better than anything else I have had in Bangkok of late, even the legendary Yok from Tulip.

La Belle, if you haven't been yet, is worth the visit. The interior reminds me a of a new moderm hotel (think W). It's clean and modern. Huge tub, with all the bells and whistles. Big Karoke system in the room, run by the computer. Took the girl, manager, housekeeper and myself to get it all sorted out at the beginning.

Looking forward to going again!

[QUOTE=Bowerboy]... back road to Petchaburi that is behind the Siam Coffeshop (that back alley type of road next to the railway line..very well known)...there were some really beautiful girls there and mostly all the white or at least fair skinned Thai spec variety..the girls were asking 1,300THB for short time but had to be at nearby hotel and wouldnt come back to my apartment in Sukhumvit....i was very impressed with the quality of the girls..very impressed.
[/QUOTE]
Bowerboy-
I'm heading to BKK next week and after your report started checking my maps and googling. But, I can't place the Siam Coffeeshop and reports suggest that the old Siam Hotel has been torn down.
If you get a chance, if you could give landmarks or specific directions it'd be much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Thepfu]Speaking of Thai Style/Places. I went to the new La Belle last night. Had a very good time, excellent service, much better than anything else I have had in Bangkok of late, even the legendary Yok from Tulip.

[/QUOTE]

What were the prices and services offered?

The interesting thing I find is that most people talk about tips and attempt to get best value, as in best stunner, most pops per 1000 baht etc.

And yet, when it comes to hotels, and it really is easy to find a decent hotel for under 2500 baht per night, plenty under 2000 baht per night, with free interenet, girl friendly and good location, people waste money on paying high rates for poor value places.

Very amusing.

[QUOTE=Striker34]What were the prices and services offered?[/QUOTE]Paid 3,100 Baht. Got upgraded to a "party room" -- no extra charge with the Karoke equipment. Everything I wanted was on the menu. Bath, BBBJ, the works.

It is more expensive than many of the Oil Places and Soapies, but the combination of the cleanliness and the service were well worth it, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Seeing the feet of a girl on her knees in the next cubicle under the curtain was a bit of a distraction during sex.[/QUOTE]

You fucked her with your cubicle curtain open? SOL Style? :O

[QUOTE=Soap Fan][QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
LOL That's more like the [b]old[/b] Nic. :D[/QUOTE]

You really had to be mean eh? why now say the [b]young[/b] Nic? :D

[QUOTE=Bowerboy]they have been at this game a lot longer than us and know the game much better than us..[/QUOTE]

In Thailand only, yes, but not in General.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
[Quote=Soap Fan]
LOL That's more like the old Nic :D
[/Quote]
You really had to be mean eh? why not say the [b]young[/b] Nic? :D[/QUOTE]
O.K. but most people English speakers would understand that I meant the Nic from years ago (who was actually even younger of course). Its just an unfortunate expression.

But think how really old I feel when a 22 or 23 year old girl is telling me how badly she is missing me. Can it really be true or is she just pulling my leg?

The road is behind the Siam Hotel coffee shop that has indeed been knocked down now..

There were about 50 girls in total spread over the length of the road, mostly in the 20 to 25 age range and mostly fair skinned.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy]After 4 years living in Bangkok now i think it is true that for the best experiences you should go Thai style..they have been at this game a lot longer than us and know the game much better than us..of course it does all come down to personal taste though.[/QUOTE]

Service is abominable in Thai oriented venues.

Andy Abs does well not to make a deroratory comment about the American Army, then adds an irrelevant parachute comment. Were it not for the American Army, he'd most likely be writing and speaking German.

Concur entirely with comments about Thai places. The best girls I have found in over 45 years at it were when I went with Thai (Hi-so for you OTH) friends to the VIP rooms at Copacabana, Caesars, and Malibu to name a few.

[QUOTE=Khunyai]Andy Abs does well not to make a deroratory comment about the American Army, then adds an irrelevant parachute comment. Were it not for the American Army, he'd most likely be writing and speaking German.

Concur entirely with comments about Thai places. The best girls I have found in over 45 years at it were when I went with Thai (Hi-so for you OTH) friends to the VIP rooms at Copacabana, Caesars, and Malibu to name a few.[/QUOTE]
Nope, Andy Abs could've made about half-a million derogatory comments about the American Army, but he was being tactful. Btw, the Russians played a very major role in Second world War events and they didn't behave like a bunch of drama queens ;).

Well, if we want to go on a history lesson, if it was not for the French Navy, there would be no USA, it would still be a British colony, and in view of that, the Germans rise to power would likely have never happened.

In fact, had the British Empire accepted the early invitations of the Germans to join forces and conquer the whole world together, then today only English and German would have been spoken worldwide.

In fact had the Romans done a better job in maintaining and building their Empire, then the British would. Well, enough for today.

Just remember all those who love to say about WW2 and the American input, that had the French Navy (along with the Spanish) not assisted in stopping the British ships, the old US of A would not be in existance and July 4th would be just another day, like it is in the majority of the world

Don't you love history.

[QUOTE=Khunyai]Andy Abs does well not to make a deroratory comment about the American Army, then adds an irrelevant parachute comment. Were it not for the American Army, he'd most likely be writing and speaking German.

Concur entirely with comments about Thai places. The best girls I have found in over 45 years at it were when I went with Thai (Hi-so for you OTH) friends to the VIP rooms at Copacabana, Caesars, and Malibu to name a few.[/QUOTE]

Yes I agree to some extent..however I do beleive if you let the Papasan pick the girl for you then you will get what you want..especially in Ratchada.

Upcountry of course is another story altogether.

[QUOTE=Khunyai] ..Were it not for the American Army, he'd most likely be writing and speaking German.
[/QUOTE]

Interesting but irrelevant comment. Same as if it wasn't for the British, Americans would speak Spanish, or French or Mohican. Or if your auntie had a dick, she would be your uncle.

TT assumed you meant the second big one, but maybe you meant the First. The Americans do make a habit of arriving late at the party, after the British (and French) have borne the brunt, and then stealing the glory by saying if it was not for us .. blah, blah, blah. But it is not denied that their contribution did turn the tide.

The general British Army consensus on the American Army is whereas their technology and kit is second to none (apart from their disgusting field rations, called MRE's which the British maintained stands for Meals Rejected by Ethiopeans. Have they improved?) the problem lies with the overall training standards and the quality of their NCO cadre. Or lack of, ditto.

Sigh, oh Terry, it wasn't the Russians who saved your ass in WWII, they were in a defensive mode, repelling the Nazi invasion. But go ahead and post your silliness. I have no desire to argue with you, nor do I need to defend the American Army, which has liberated more people and defeated more tyrrany than any other. I have many UK good friends, and they all know this. Maybe it makes you feel better, so go ahead. BTW, I am a Retired US Army Lt. Colonel so take a few shots at me personnaly if it makes your day.

Back to topic, last year I was invited by two Thai friends to go with them to the VIP Room at Caesars'. I believe it is on the 4th floor. Once there, you are in a large entertainment-dining area, and we first sat at a table with two Thai Customs officals and all kinds of food was ordered. Then about 8 girls were called from downstairs to join us. If we wanted more, we could have had more, but each and every one of these ladies was absolutely stunning, wearing evening gowns and fine jewelry. Any one of them could have been a model or movie star. After getting to know each other (I am a fluent, level 4 Thai speaker) we had the option to go to the room or take a dip in the very large adjoining jacuzzi pool. All the Thai men insisted that I take 2 girls and use the pool, which I did, thinking the other men would join us, but they didn't so the 2 girls and I got naked into the pool and played for about 15 minutes before going to the very plush bedroom. Both girls were intelligent and great conversationalists as well as beautiful, One was tall, with light skin and big tits with large nipples and was an oral expert. The other a bit shorter, with a great butt, and legs and a super kisser. After 2 hours, and 2 orgasms for each of us, I was sure that the Thai service was unbeatable. It could not have been more perfect, and not a word of English was spoken throughout. Have no idea if the girls even speak English, but both said I was their first farang. So don't think that the service in the Thai-type establishments is poor. It isn't. BTW, the bill (paid by the custom officials) was over 40, 000 Baht.

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Gamahucher,

You are mis-informed. I spent 4 years with NATO, and I can tell you first-hand that there is a great mutual respect and friendship between the British and American military. Don't know what you've been reading, but I have been there and done that so shovel your drivel elsewhere please.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]The general British Army consensus on the American Army is whereas their technology and kit is second to none (apart from their disgusting field rations, called MRE's which the British maintained stands for Meals Rejected by Ethiopeans. Have they improved? ) the problem lies with the overall training standards and the quality of their NCO cadre. Or lack of, ditto.[/QUOTE]OK, I usually do not get involved in the forum bantering back and forth but feel I need to now. Having served in the American Army for 25 years I take exception to the above comment. I was stationed with and trained with various armies of the world including, British, French, Belgium, Korean, Pakistani, Jordanian, Israeli, and many more. In my estimation all have good NCOs and bad NCOs and the US Army is no different. But I would stack their training and proficiency up against any army in the world. You have to have some degree of intelligence to maintain and use the high technolgy weapons and command and control systems now in the US Army.

[QUOTE=Khunyai]Andy Abs does well not to make a deroratory comment about the American Army, then adds an irrelevant parachute comment. Were it not for the American Army, he'd most likely be writing and speaking German.[/QUOTE]Ignorant comment. The RAF prevented the invasion of the UK by defeating the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. The US wasn't even in the war at that point and couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag when the war started.

Oh, and as a US Army veteran, I'll take the Paras over a freaking US Army MP any day.

[blue]Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

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[QUOTE=Admin][blue]Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]

ok, then. merging topics...the US military are responsible for the very visible prostitution industry in LOS. (Just ask any Thai)...Run with that one, gentlemen. :)

[QUOTE=Khunyai]Lt BTW, the bill (paid by the custom officials) was over 40, 000 Baht.
[/QUOTE]
Very interesting post Khunyai, made even more interesting by the fact that thai customs officials obviously "earn" enough money in their job, to be able to drop 40,000 Bt for a night of fun. ;)

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]O.K. but most people English speakers would understand that I meant the Nic from years ago (who was actually even younger of course). Its just an unfortunate expression.[/QUOTE]

I understood what you meant, I was just making a joke (obviously, I failed). LOL

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]the US military are responsible for the very visible prostitution industry in LOS. (Just ask any Thai)...[/QUOTE]

Well, OTH, that was an obvious one. And if I may add, ask any thai about All the illnesses of LOS and he will most likely point fingers in the direction of a Farang.

WE are why Thailand is such a mess.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Very interesting post Khunyai, made even more interesting by the fact that thai customs officials obviously "earn" enough money in their job, to be able to drop 40,000 Bt for a night of fun. ;)[/QUOTE]

Not that strange, the Thai Govt. is very generous to entertaining foreigners, they use any excuse to take folks out and often there the the formal parties then the informal parties afterwards.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]ok, then. merging topics...the US military are responsible for the very visible prostitution industry in LOS. (Just ask any Thai)...Run with that one, gentlemen. :)[/QUOTE]

Hi OTH,
I may be mistaken. But was it not the French colonial army fighting in Vietnam before the Americans that helped set the foundation to Thailand's beautiful nightlife? I would agree the Americans set it in stone. My father who was over in '65 said that it was not in your face as much as it was for his 2nd tour in '69. So maybe the 'very visible' part came as a marketing racket, as allot of US service men went to the Philippines for R&R in the beginning of the war, I think thats how my Uncle meet his wife.

Slylock

(So either way we have the French and Americans to thank for our wonderful Thai nightlife, and for that they will have my humble thanks! lol [WW2, lets not forget the pacific campaign, the US did it alone except for Burma and Malaysia!])

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]

Btw, the Russians played a very major role in Second world War events and they didn't behave like a bunch of drama queens ;).

[/QUOTE]

No, Stalin just had them all shot and any one else that dared not meet HIS objectives regardless of cost.

Slim

Absolutely no doubt that the US Military (and farang civilians too) was a major contributing factor in the Thai prostitution business. Other important contributing factors include Thai mens' failure to adequately provide for their wives, or ex-wives as is so often the case, and the Thai Government's failure to enforce in any way child-support from these irresponsible assholes who create kids then move on the the next ignorant girl to create another one, etc, etc. Also, a society which generally treats women as second-class citizens trickling right down to marriage where Thai men often beat their women and drive them into seeking perhaps more comfortable (though not in all cases) and lucrative relationships with other nationalities.

How many girls are working to raise kids as a single-parent, and are sending money home to mom, who has been deserted by dad? Hmmm?

Let's not heap the whole mess onto the backs of the US Military please.

To Easy 2007,

For that reason, you won't see me running down the French Navy. OK?

I always thought that is were the Thais themselves that are "the cause" of all this great things offered in Thailand.

Reference #5242 1Ball

Obviously, these were not your average Customs Officals, they were the top Echelon officals in Thailand. When they visited us in the USA, we treated them likewise. Works that way here.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Not that strange, the Thai Govt. is very generous to entertaining foreigners, they use any excuse to take folks out and often there the the formal parties then the informal parties afterwards.[/QUOTE]
You are 100% right, my much older brother. Of course, we don't know what our friend Khunyai does for a living, and was it business or pleasure.

Now, if these guys were Gov't officials who are involved in marketing, or investments with foreigners, and they were closing a deal on a new 50 million dollar shoe factory, of course, it all makes sense. But these guys work for customs. Why would they entertain a foreigner to the tune of 40,000 bt. Maybe I am just naive. But I work in Indonesia, and I know how bribes work. (I am not at all suggesting Khunyai gave them bribes, just that these guys might have had a good week, and had some cash to blow).

[QUOTE=Khunyai]Gamahucher,

You are mis-informed. I spent 4 years with NATO, and I can tell you first-hand that there is a great mutual respect and friendship between the British and American military. Don't know what you've been reading, but I have been there and done that so shovel your drivel elsewhere please.[/QUOTE]

Not misinformed at all. I spent 22 years in the British Army and was just telling you the prevalent attitude towards the American Army that existed during my service which ended in the late 90's. So things have possibly changed in recent years but with the number of recent 'blue on blue' incidents, involving American Forces killing British Soldiers, I somehow doubt it.

The feeling of the guys at grunt level (not the buddy/buddy HQ officer wallers) was that your kit and 'shiny stuff' is excellent but the quality of training of the guys operating it, left much to be desired and was not a patch on the more disciplined and thorough military training extant in the British Army.

So respectfully suggest that you might be well advised to shovel your officer type drivel elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Slylock]Hi OTH,
I may be mistaken. But was it not the French colonial army fighting in Vietnam before the Americans that helped set the foundation to Thailand's beautiful nightlife? I would agree the Americans set it in stone. My father who was over in '65 said that it was not in your face as much as it was for his 2nd tour in '69. So maybe the 'very visible' part came as a marketing racket, as allot of US service men went to the Philippines for R&R in the beginning of the war, I think thats how my Uncle meet his wife.

Slylock

(So either way we have the French and Americans to thank for our wonderful Thai nightlife, and for that they will have my humble thanks! lol [WW2, lets not forget the pacific campaign, the US did it alone except for Burma and Malaysia!])[/QUOTE]

I was just making a little joke actually.

But, here it is in a nutshell.

Dvaravati up to Sukhothai period - 7th-14th century
-brothels attached to the temples, much like in Ancient Rome

Sukhothai and Ayutthaya period - 14th-18th century
-Chinese came in and turned brothels into an organized business (Thai-Chinese still control most of the prostitution in LOS)

Chakri to present - 19th-21st century
-development of the industry as a key element of the economy, moving it out of the back-alley red-light brothels to the shopping-mall scale soapies etc.

The Farang-oriented sex industry is merely the tip of the iceberg, allegedly representing less than 10% of the whole thing.

The image of Thai women as morally loose is a long-established one going back almost 1,000 years. In stark contrast, the current cultural prudishness that the Thais always trot out as the long-standing cornerstone of their culture is a relatively recent phenomenon, imported from Victorian England and 1890s Europe by King Rama V. Before that, Thai women, at least in the countryside often walked around topless and had little compunction about fucking anyone who took their fancy.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] In stark contrast, the current cultural prudishness that the Thais always trot out as the long-standing cornerstone of their culture is a relatively recent phenomenon, imported from Victorian England and 1890s Europe by King Rama V. Before that, Thai women, at least in the countryside often walked around topless and had little compunction about fucking anyone who took their fancy.[/QUOTE]
Yes a nice point.
Thailand has been fucked up by prudishness, although not to the levels of USA and England. Religions are a major culprit I guess.

The concept of monogamy is totally stupid and trying to defy nature (IMHO of course). Telling young teenagers that the right thing to do is not to have sex, is just plain dumb too.

When will girls you provide sex magnificently for many guys be seen as champions instead being of looked down on by the prudish establishment?

I get so sick of hearing about girls should get a proper decent poorly paid job instead of being a sex worker, by hypocritical mongers who use the services.

[QUOTE=1Ball]You are 100% right, my much older brother. Of course, we don't know what our friend Khunyai does for a living, and was it business or pleasure.

Now, if these guys were Gov't officials who are involved in marketing, or investments with foreigners, and they were closing a deal on a new 50 million dollar shoe factory, of course, it all makes sense. But these guys work for customs. Why would they entertain a foreigner to the tune of 40,000 bt. Maybe I am just naive. But I work in Indonesia, and I know how bribes work. (I am not at all suggesting Khunyai gave them bribes, just that these guys might have had a good week, and had some cash to blow).[/QUOTE]

Hum.. and I thought I was the baby of the family...

I pay more to customs officials then suppliers some times LOL...

But as far as officials entertaining, you know what I do for work and I've been hosted by some strange agencies... I think they all try to keep up their budgets and discretionary funds by using any reason to entertain. I know the thai outnumber the foreigners in all these events 5 to 1 minimum...

[QUOTE=Khunyai]Absolutely no doubt that the US Military (and farang civilians too) was a major contributing factor in the Thai prostitution business. Other important contributing factors include Thai mens' failure to adequately provide for their wives, or ex-wives as is so often the case, and the Thai Government's failure to enforce in any way child-support from these irresponsible assholes who create kids then move on the the next ignorant girl to create another one, etc, etc. Also, a society which generally treats women as second-class citizens trickling right down to marriage where Thai men often beat their women and drive them into seeking perhaps more comfortable (though not in all cases) and lucrative relationships with other nationalities.

How many girls are working to raise kids as a single-parent, and are sending money home to mom, who has been deserted by dad? Hmmm?

Let's not heap the whole mess onto the backs of the US Military please.[/QUOTE]
Good post. The US military just happened to be the farang jai dee big wallets who were there at the time. Prostitution in Thailand is a Thai issue, not a farang one.

I seem to have shook the nest a little...It was not my intention...any man in any army; willing to take up arms to defend his country and beliefs is a "hero" in my eyes. Wars are indiscriminate and people from all over the world die, our uniforms are different but we die just the same.

I made my point to Retired Army because he was being arrogant and stupid, which is a fact I am sure he is well aware of.

Enough said!

[QUOTE=Retired Army]
And, by the way, I retired from the "real" Army.[/QUOTE]

Maybe RA actually meant the Salvation Army? :confused:

[QUOTE=Bowerboy]Last night I was coming home at about 1am and came along that back road to Petchaburi that is behind the Siam Coffeshop (that back alley type of road next to the railway line..very well known)...there were some really beautiful girls there and mostly all the white or at least fair skinned Thai spec variety..the girls were asking 1,300THB for short time but had to be at nearby hotel and wouldnt come back to my apartment in Sukhumvit....i was very impressed with the quality of the girls..very impressed.[/QUOTE]
Kamphaeng Phet 7 is the name of the road.
Kamphaeng means a city or fortress wall or barrier and Phet means diamonds.
So maybe there are a few diamonds in the rough hanging out there.

After a year or so of not being able to get back there, ventured into Star of Light on Saturday afternoon for old time's sake. And was surprised that, despite some of the comments on here, it's got better.

It was empty when I arrived and a couple of cuties loitering outside, along with some others more run of the mill Thai working girls, but still easy on the eye.

Choosing one of the sofas, mere seconds passed before one of the better lookers, Gai, appeared alongside me and made sure I knew the score. She was tall and slim, with long hair (yeah, I know. I'm describing half the Thai puying population) and I estimated her to be about 30 from the lines around her eyes. But definitely attractive. A 7 which is good going in a BJ bar.

After letting the air con cool me off a little it was time to let Gai warm me up. She promised a 'slow' BJ for 700 baht, no condom, or 1000 for FS. But I'd have to wear a condom. Fearful of my significant other's ability to sniff latex an hour or so after the deed I opted to stick to pleasures of the oral kind and Gai did not disappoint!

She worked at me slowly and took me all the way in, holding as long as she could and sliding up and down.

Meanwhile, another young sweetie who turned out to be 23 appeared asking if I wanted a second girl. Gai paused long enough to help the sales spiel and I guess I convinced when the second girl squeezed onto the sofa beside me, hitched up her shirt and popped out a larger than Thai-average 'nom' for me to suck on.

These girls worked hard without any pressure. No 2 (sorry, didn't get her name) removed her panties, hitched up her skirt and kneeled on the sofa so I could let my fingers explore her pussy while she worked.

Towards the end though, Gai's experience was telling. No 2 got a little too hyper and I gently had to lift her off and nod to Gai to finish the job. Knowing I was nearing the end she deep-throated me and didn't spill a drop.

A thoroughly enjoyable and reasonably priced time to be enjoyed again tomorrow, if I can convince the SO to check out another mall on her own <wink . Next time I'll be looking out for a sweet young thing with short hair I saw roaming around after I was settled and had made my choice: looks young and very student-like, although I am fast learning that the better oral skills can be found amongst the slighter older girls. So perhaps she can be co-pilot. Then the thought of open air FS for 300 baht more is also very apealing. But I assume they'll only do that on the little stool in the restroom. Anyone know?

Total damage: 1480 baht (+ a tip as I felt Gai really deserved it), including a Coke. Well worth it.

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[QUOTE=Andy Abs]I seem to have shook the nest a little...It was not my intention...any man in any army; willing to take up arms to defend his country and beliefs is a "hero" in my eyes. Wars are indiscriminate and people from all over the world die, our uniforms are different but we die just the same.

I made my point to Retired Army because he was being arrogant and stupid, which is a fact I am sure he is well aware of.

Enough said![/QUOTE]Right on. If you want to disagree with something someone says, or even trash them, I won't care. But to run down the American Military is not right and causes you to lose credibility.

I know it is off-topic, but can't let some things go by without responding. Re: friendly-fire incidents; unfortunately they happen and when they do, it is horrible. In fact, the British are right at the top in such incidents dating from the war of the Roses in the 15th century right up to the present. Probably the worst friendly-fire incident in WW2 happened in May 1945 when the RAF mistakenly bombed 3 ships full of Jewish refugees in Lubek Bay. If you have ever been in combat (and I have), you would know that things occur at an unbelievably fast and frantic pace and you have not nearly enough time to always react properly.

Re: the Battle of Britain: this victory allowed the RAF to maintain air supremacy and to cause the Germans to put off an invasion of England (which at the time, the British Navy probably would have repulsed anyway), but who is gullible enough to believe that after Hitler conquered all of Europe that he would have been a "partner" with Britain. Maybe Chamberlain was, but no one else should be.

This will be my last off-topic post. (I hope)

As far as Bangkok mongering goes, I have been at it since an initial visit in February 1966 (on R and R), and heavily since 1973 after studying Thai Language. I remember staying at the Chao-Pyraya Hotel on Thanon Sri Ayutthaya and walking down to Chavala for their 60 baht per hour massages, and after the normal hand-jobs, figured out that by sweetly talking there was more that I could get. Some of the Thai-oriented places charged 30-35 baht per hour depending on the type of room you wanted. The girls and the procedures haven't changed much; nice words and a caring attitude will always get you more than loudness and poor dress/manners.

Met a few girls on Sukhumvit and we went to a place (dance club) I had never been before: Bossy (in Pratunam area)
Just a normal place but nothing special. Quite many working girls.
However be careful with your change: at the entrance they tried to cheat me by "forgetting" to give change (THB 500 in my case). My friends had the same experience.
And they charged THB 200 for a water! (as a side drink to my cocktail) Sent it back.
So no special reason to go there but nothing wrong when you happen to live close to it.

[QUOTE=Fslag338]Met a few girls on Sukhumvit and we went to a place (dance club) I had never been before: Bossy (in Pratunam area)
Just a normal place but nothing special. Quite many working girls.
However be careful with your change: at the entrance they tried to cheat me by "forgetting" to give change (THB 500 in my case). My friends had the same experience.
And they charged THB 200 for a water! (as a side drink to my cocktail) Sent it back.
So no special reason to go there but nothing wrong when you happen to live close to it.[/QUOTE]
With a name like "Bossy" and your description of rip-off style, who would even consider going there?

[QUOTE=Khunyai]Right on. If you want to disagree with something someone says, or even trash them, I won't care. But to run down the American Military is not right and causes you to lose credibility.
etc.
[/QUOTE]
It would be nice if you guys would consider moving to the General Thread as it is not generally about direct mongering subjects.

[QUOTE=Fslag338]Met a few girls on Sukhumvit and we went to a place (dance club) I had never been before: Bossy (in Pratunam area)

Just a normal place but nothing special. Quite many working girls.

However be careful with your change: at the entrance they tried to cheat me by "forgetting" to give change (THB 500 in my case). My friends had the same experience.

And they charged THB 200 for a water! (as a side drink to my cocktail) Sent it back.
So no special reason to go there but nothing wrong when you happen to live close to it.[/QUOTE]6 or 7 years ago I used to go to a dance club called Bossy, it was a fair way down off Sukumvit, soi 63 for memory.

Really loved the place, my mate (who lived in bkok) and I would pick up some "takeaways" from either the Beer Garden or a bar nearby and grab a taxi down to Bossy.

We were generally the only Farangs among the crowd, and boy was it crowded, mainly with Thai wannabes, there was also a sprinkling of p4p there as well.

There would be 3 or 4 different bands/entertainers on show during the evening, we would buy a bottle of johnny black and get into it.

The "Takeaways" we took all seemed to love it, at the end of the nite back in our rooms the girls showed their thanks, typical nite at Bossy would set each of us back around 1000bht.

The place closed around 2003, I wonder if there is any tie up between the place you mention and the "old" bossy.

i'll be heading to los next week to do more research to update my 5 nights in bangkok itinerary. i was thinking of the places i would like to visit. let me know if you think this list is complete, if i should add anyplace, or change a place. and let me know why.

the list: nataree, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], sazanka, rainbow 4, angels, eden, long gun, akane, tulips. where else should i go? was thinking of long beach, or some place in that area. i want to mix it up. different places in different areas so that you wind up seeing different parts of the city. fire away with your suggestions.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]It would be nice if you guys would consider moving to the General Thread as it is not generally about direct mongering subjects.[/QUOTE]

...plus its much more appropriate to discuss military matters on a General Fred ;).

[quote=phuquer]the list:nataree, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], sazanka, rainbow 4, angels, eden, long gun, akane, tulips. [/quote]

ok, i will try not to be too long:

nataree: yes, go for a sideliner ~2,600 thb
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]: i would prefer sol (better ladies and superior skills)
sazanka: worth a try
rainbow4: yes, it's ok for a nep bar but they like japanese guys better
angels: yes, worth a try, but see the girls "live" the book is photoshopped
eden: not my thing but a worthwile experience
long gun: i would prefer shark
akane: great choice, try hiro @ 33
tulip: they will have you come back for more... :)

[QUOTE=Asia Rob]Then the thought of open air FS for 300 baht more is also very apealing. But I assume they'll only do that on the little stool in the restroom. Anyone know? [/QUOTE]

FS is available in the Open Air, it's up to you.

I just wrapped up nine days in Bangkok. This was my first BKK experience. I sampled a range of services – low priced bar girls to more expensive escort types. Here are some trip notes:

Bar girls – I had a few of these. I pulled one out of a place named Pretty Girl in Nana Plaza. I forget her name but she was a young girl from the north with a great body. Unfortunately she was absolutely uninspiring – the worst experience of my trip. Pulled another from Beer Garden. Forget her name too but she was pretty good short time friend. Another I met by accident. Walking to lunch near my hotel (the Pullman near Victory Monument BTS) I bump into a really cute girl named Eve. She’s on her way to the Vietnam consulate to get a visa and we agree to go out that night. We meet at 8PM and I ask her where are we going? Soi 4 she replies. Turns out that sweet Eve is a working girl. I forget the name of the bar we went to but we drank a couple of beers before heading back to the Pullman for a night of full menu service. Sweet Eve went after my butt like it had Hagen Daz up it. She was a great find. On another day I recognize the girl from this post: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=830740&postcount=1857[/url]

Sitting at Gilliver’s patio area. Her name is Pla and she’s a lot of fun. Very bubbly personality and loves to "boom boom". I laughed out loud when she proclaimed "water, water, so much water" – she was so wet. Claimed that she had no "boom boom" for one month since she was visiting her mother. Who knows. Thanks Rjsss212 for the scouting report. All of these girls were 1500 baht and I was with them from one to six hours.

Escort Services – Although more expensive, I used escorts twice with great results. I contacted one lady before arriving and after reaching BKK I arranged a 6000 baht four hour date. Unfortunately, it is not appropriate for me to identify her although I do know that she frequents these forums. This young lady spoke great English (had spent over a year in New Zealand), was good looking, 28 years old, and everything was on the menu. She took me to a great local Thai restaurant, and showed me around Soi Cowboy and Nana before returning to the hotel for a full service evening. We had so much fun that at 3:00AM, well past the agreed to four hours, she asks if she can spend the night. One night turned into two more days at no extra charge. An excellent guide and a great person – she showed me the usual temple and tourist stuff on the first day, took me to her apartment (nice but small – in Sathon I think), and another great dinner. The second day we took a small skiff (not a long boat) about 30 minutes up the river to her grand father’s place where we took some bikes to a floating market that is off of the tourist map – I was the only gringo there and the place was packed. It was great. Spent another night out in BKK. And of course, great sex was enjoyed throughout. And she even picked up most local transportation costs and various street foods/drinks to try! 6000 baht for three days with a hot woman I would have no trouble taking to any social event. This was my first experience in BKK and I would have been happy of she stayed with me the whole time. I actually liked his woman.

I tried this escort: [url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-95029/[/url] at 4000 baht for 3 hours. Appropriately named "naughty kitty". She’s put on a little weight since the photos were shot but still looks good. She was very disappointed that she forgot to bring her leggings – she came to the hotel after going to the gym. And she had plenty of energy. Everything was available except anal. Super hot girl, was into it as much as or more than me. Many positions, oral all over. A great 3 hours. Money well spent.

Visited the disco at the Hyatt Erawan a couple of nights. Lots of good-looking ladies, some seemed pretty bright others not so. I was dead tired and running on fumes both nights and would not have been able to take advantage of the beauties I spoke with so I did not take any home with me. I spoke with three and was quoted 4K, 6K, and 7K baht for all night. The 4K girl seemed to be interested in me. The 7K baht girl was hot and would have been my choice. I spoke with her a while (great English) before asking about price. When she told me $200 USD I looked at her like she was crazy. She said $200 or you can go down to Nana Plaza. If I were in better shape I may have gone for it. I’ll probably sample a lady from here at the end of when I return at the end of the month. There were a few Russian girls here as well as a number of large unhappy looking Russian dudes spending inconspicuous money. I guess the Russian Mafia has made its way to BKK?

And I'm not sure if this counts as mongering. On the way to MBK mall I purchased some sesame covered dough balls on the street and this Thai girl asks how I like them and says they are her favorite. Of course I offer her her some to get the conversation going. Turns out that she is a student in Toronto and back in Thailand visiting family and friends. We agree to meet for dinner. She takes me to a great little hole in the wall on the river. And you know the rest of the story. After a while we head back to the Pullman for a great night and morning. Cost. Nothing!

All of the ladies I was with were very wary of having their pictures taken. One (Pla) was very upset that her photos ended up on the web. End result – no nudes but I’ll post what I have to the photo forum.

So what was my best experience? The escorts – both were absolutely fantastic.

All in all a great trip so far.

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Long Gun: I would prefer Shark[/QUOTE]

I see barfine now 700 (800 happy hour) .. Baccara used to be considered expensive at 600 a few months ago ..

[QUOTE=Asia Rob]After a year or so of not being able to get back there, ventured into Star of Light on Saturday afternoon for old time's sake. And was surprised that, despite some of the comments on here, it's got better.

It was empty when I arrived and a couple of cuties loitering outside, along with some others more run of the mill Thai working girls, but still easy on the eye.

Choosing one of the sofas, mere seconds passed before one of the better lookers, Gai, appeared alongside me and made sure I knew the score. She was tall and slim, with long hair (yeah, I know. I'm describing half the Thai puying population) and I estimated her to be about 30 from the lines around her eyes. But definitely attractive. A 7 which is good going in a BJ bar.

After letting the air con cool me off a little it was time to let Gai warm me up. She promised a 'slow' BJ for 700 baht, no condom, or 1000 for FS. But I'd have to wear a condom. Fearful of my significant other's ability to sniff latex an hour or so after the deed I opted to stick to pleasures of the oral kind and Gai did not disappoint!

She worked at me slowly and took me all the way in, holding as long as she could and sliding up and down.

Meanwhile, another young sweetie who turned out to be 23 appeared asking if I wanted a second girl. Gai paused long enough to help the sales spiel and I guess I convinced when the second girl squeezed onto the sofa beside me, hitched up her shirt and popped out a larger than Thai-average 'nom' for me to suck on.

These girls worked hard without any pressure. No 2 (sorry, didn't get her name) removed her panties, hitched up her skirt and kneeled on the sofa so I could let my fingers explore her pussy while she worked.

Towards the end though, Gai's experience was telling. No 2 got a little too hyper and I gently had to lift her off and nod to Gai to finish the job. Knowing I was nearing the end she deep-throated me and didn't spill a drop.

A thoroughly enjoyable and reasonably priced time to be enjoyed again tomorrow, if I can convince the SO to check out another mall on her own <wink . Next time I'll be looking out for a sweet young thing with short hair I saw roaming around after I was settled and had made my choice: looks young and very student-like, although I am fast learning that the better oral skills can be found amongst the slighter older girls. So perhaps she can be co-pilot. Then the thought of open air FS for 300 baht more is also very apealing. But I assume they'll only do that on the little stool in the restroom. Anyone know?

Total damage: 1480 baht (+ a tip as I felt Gai really deserved it), including a Coke. Well worth it.

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As for the second girl with larger than average breasts, I'll take a guess and say her name was Lek. She's got a great rack on her.

Please don't flame me if anyone has already covered this in detail, but last night took a long walk down the Japanese-oriented soi parellel to Patphong in Silom. (it followed a great Japanese meal with the freshest fish eaten in BKK)

Being Caucasian (despite my silly nickname here) I'm aware I wouldn't be able to get past the bouncers on the door. But out of curiosity I'd appreciate commentary (or links to same) from anyone who HAS managed to get past (a bi-lingual Japanese member, perhaps? )

Seeing some of the absolute stunners standing outside last night (including one who I swore was two metres tall in heels with hair down to her.) the lust-ometer was going into overdrive. But then often we all are attracted to what we think we cannot have.

Can anyone shed some light on Japan-soi Undercover?

[quote=nicfrenchy]ok, i will try not to be too long:

nataree: yes, go for a sideliner ~2,600 thb
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]: i would prefer sol (better ladies and superior skills)
sazanka: worth a try
rainbow4: yes, it's ok for a nep bar but they like japanese guys better
angels: yes, worth a try, but see the girls "live" the book is photoshopped
eden: not my thing but a worthwile experience
long gun: i would prefer shark
akane: great choice, try hiro @ 33
tulip: they will have you come back for more... :)[/quote]but with angeles, you can always call for a lineup. and check out the real thing.

for a higher end soapie. i a recent convert/fan of labelle. the old mona lisa. i paid 3, 100 (although they go higher). the facilities are top notch and the service was great. check it out.

Asia Rob,

You can go into those Japanese places. I'm Caucasian and am usually well-dressed, so no one stopped me from entering. Girls were very attractive, but prices were high. I stayed around for a drink, but didn't take anyone home. Go ahead and take a look. If you're polite and well-dressed, they'll let you in, but the girls are much more interested in the Japanese.

[quote=nicfrenchy]ok, i will try not to be too long:

nataree: yes, go for a sideliner ~2,600 thb
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]: i would prefer sol (better ladies and superior skills)
sazanka: worth a try
rainbow4: yes, it's ok for a nep bar but they like japanese guys better
angels: yes, worth a try, but see the girls "live" the book is photoshopped
eden: not my thing but a worthwile experience
long gun: i would prefer shark
akane: great choice, try hiro @ 33
tulip: they will have you come back for more... :)[/quote]
i agree with everything nic said except nataree sideliner. the sideline girls may be younger, but the fishbowl girls are more likely to give good service in my experience.

i prefer infinity jc anyway.

My December experiences with Nataree sideliners was quite lacking compared to previous years visits. One more try might be on my March itinerary, but I will be more interested in other venues such as JC Infinity, especially since I will be staying in that area.

They do it wherever you want. On the barstool, on the sofa or also in the restroom for the shy guys.

Have fun.

Mike

[QUOTE=Asia Rob]After a year or so of not being able to get back there, ventured into Star of Light on Saturday afternoon for old time's sake. And was surprised that, despite some of the comments on here, it's got better.

It was empty when I arrived and a couple of cuties loitering outside, along with some others more run of the mill Thai working girls, but still easy on the eye.

Choosing one of the sofas, mere seconds passed before one of the better lookers, Gai, appeared alongside me and made sure I knew the score. She was tall and slim, with long hair (yeah, I know. I'm describing half the Thai puying population) and I estimated her to be about 30 from the lines around her eyes. But definitely attractive. A 7 which is good going in a BJ bar.

After letting the air con cool me off a little it was time to let Gai warm me up. She promised a 'slow' BJ for 700 baht, no condom, or 1000 for FS. But I'd have to wear a condom. Fearful of my significant other's ability to sniff latex an hour or so after the deed I opted to stick to pleasures of the oral kind and Gai did not disappoint!

She worked at me slowly and took me all the way in, holding as long as she could and sliding up and down.

Meanwhile, another young sweetie who turned out to be 23 appeared asking if I wanted a second girl. Gai paused long enough to help the sales spiel and I guess I convinced when the second girl squeezed onto the sofa beside me, hitched up her shirt and popped out a larger than Thai-average 'nom' for me to suck on.

These girls worked hard without any pressure. No 2 (sorry, didn't get her name) removed her panties, hitched up her skirt and kneeled on the sofa so I could let my fingers explore her pussy while she worked.

Towards the end though, Gai's experience was telling. No 2 got a little too hyper and I gently had to lift her off and nod to Gai to finish the job. Knowing I was nearing the end she deep-throated me and didn't spill a drop.

A thoroughly enjoyable and reasonably priced time to be enjoyed again tomorrow, if I can convince the SO to check out another mall on her own <wink . Next time I'll be looking out for a sweet young thing with short hair I saw roaming around after I was settled and had made my choice: looks young and very student-like, although I am fast learning that the better oral skills can be found amongst the slighter older girls. So perhaps she can be co-pilot. Then the thought of open air FS for 300 baht more is also very apealing. But I assume they'll only do that on the little stool in the restroom. Anyone know?

Total damage: 1480 baht (+ a tip as I felt Gai really deserved it), including a Coke. Well worth it.

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[QUOTE=Bowerboy]Last night I was coming home at about 1am and came along that back road to Petchaburi that is behind the Siam Coffeshop (that back alley type of road next to the railway line..very well known)...there were some really beautiful girls there and mostly all the white or at least fair skinned Thai spec variety..the girls were asking 1,300THB for short time but had to be at nearby hotel and wouldnt come back to my apartment in Sukhumvit....i was very impressed with the quality of the girls..very impressed.

It was late and I had had a long day so wanted to take something back to my apartment and so I went to the parking lot at Nana (a long time since I have been there)..the girls by comparison were absolute skanks and they just repulsed me..basically the same skanks that have been stood there everyday for the last 4 years!! The difference in quality was quite staggering and could not bear to take any girl from there.[/QUOTE]Bottom line is you found "some really beautiful girls" at the other place, but none at Nana Parking Lot {NPL} on a single random visit.

The fact is on another roll of the dice to NPL you may have seen "some really beautiful girls" there as well.

Or maybe not just beautiful in the face, but totally hot stunners, as I have reported about before.

But the best of NPL were probably already "reserved" or "taken" by the time you had arrived. Leaving some old faces you had seen before.

BTW, I find every time I visit BKK there is a new crew of fresh faces at the NPL. After all, this place is famous, is in the heart of the action, and that means good money potential for the lady.

Unlike some obscure location no one has ever heard of, and which has serious drawbacks that cum along with it.

Some posters have mentioned re NEP that it is advisable to arrive early, around eight at night, to increase the chances of getting what one wants. The same can, I think, be said about the NPL.

In fact I have found some of the best around 5 and 6 in the evening. And in my experience it tends to go downhill after 9 or 10.

IMO the real problem or challenge with the NPL crew, and other SWs in the nearby vicinity, has more to do with finding a good match for one's needs and good service in general. Not with finding a looker.

Surf around the area for an evening and you'll see plenty of SW candy. Drop by for five minutes and you may be SOL.

In regards to good service it will likely go a long ways if one is generous, friendly, and known to be a potential trustworthy regular customer. {They know I am in BKK for months at a time. }

A regular meaning, in this context, one who is committed to a good serving and hot TG on a regular basis, though not necessarily to her alone.

For some reason I had less trouble finding top notch TGs like this on my most recent, and best yet, wintering in BKK recently. And by that I speak of attractive to very hot SW ladies in and near the NPL.

I guess personal experience or know how, political economic turmoil, luck, and the qualities mentioned above may all have been factors leading to that result. Did I mention karma and good looks?

Good luck to you all, gentlemen!

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[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I agree with everything Nic said except Nataree sideliner. The sideline girls may be younger, but the fishbowl girls are more likely to give good service in my experience.

I prefer Infinity JC anyway.[/QUOTE]Jc isn't what it once was, have been there three times in as many months, not nearly as many lookers now. Fon is still hot, great looks, great bod and very much fun. (I forget her number, plz excuse)

Nataree you can make pals with the young papa by the back counter, spend some time, shake hands and joke a bit, he'll cut you a deal: 2100B sideline (or so), tell him that you want 2 hours and that you are jai dee mahk, little tip for him, maybe 200B, and big tip for your girl. You will be remembered and get same price next time. I've found that the SL chicks along the back wall are best. The tiny spinners sitting on the curved sofa by the counter are insanely cute (Chiang Mai-Chiang Rai-Fang), but not very experienced. This is one place where making direct eye contact with a shy smile go a long long way towards what will happen upstairs.

Going to go back to Colonze 2 (R'da) this weekend to see what's shakin there lately. Papa Leon comes up with incredible stunners sometimes and you may want to give him a try. (He managed to score some of those top shelf 5 star students from the Mirage, incredible.) Also, when you get there, just tell him you want the Nuru-Nuru package, a little more, but you'll be nicely surprised.

SOL really should do up their bathroom. I found it pretty grim fucking rabbit in there although there is a certain charm to it.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick]SOL really should do up their bathroom. I found it pretty grim fucking rabbit in there although there is a certain charm to it.[/QUOTE]

They used to have a lovely little closet sized room with a bed in it there, Pointy, where the bathroom is now. There can only be one reason they eliminated this - the Police have required it. So instead of fucking on nice little mattress, we now have to do it, straining our backs, on a toilet bowl, and count ourselves lucky we get to fuck at all. Thanks, Forces of Social Control.

By the way, in case anyone has fantasies about this, there are two sisters from Kon Kaen working at SoL at the moment. The younger of the two took care of me last night. She said it's her sister who introduced her to this den of iniquity.

[QUOTE=Canyon]Asia Rob,

You can go into those Japanese places. I'm Caucasian and am usually well-dressed, so no one stopped me from entering. Girls were very attractive, but prices were high. I stayed around for a drink, but didn't take anyone home. Go ahead and take a look. If you're polite and well-dressed, they'll let you in, but the girls are much more interested in the Japanese.[/QUOTE]Canyon,

Most of this Japanese member club are closing down because of the bad world economy.

They should be happy to have any customer now.

As long that you spend money and dress well they should let you in, but I don't understand why is everything in Bangkok still cost so much higher than other asian countries.

Fast eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Canyon,

Most of this Japanese member club are closing down because of the bad world economy.

They should be happy to have any customer now.

As long that you spend money and dress well they should let you in, but I don't understand why is everything in Bangkok still cost so much higher than other asian countries.

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Okay! Next time I - not western but ethnic North-Indian - will try to get into one of those Jap-clubs. Whether I'll make it or not, I'll write a report on how they chased me away (or welcomed me with open arms...).

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]...but I don't understand why is everything in Bangkok still cost so much higher than other asian countries.

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Never been to Singapore I suppose.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Canyon,

Most of this Japanese member club are closing down because of the bad world economy.

They should be happy to have any customer now.

As long that you spend money and dress well they should let you in, but I don't understand why is everything in Bangkok still cost so much higher than other asian countries.

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]I'd be very surprised if everything costs more in Bangkok than say Hong Kong or Tokyo.

Hotels and pooning rates i'd expect to be much higher in the latter two, and closer to what i'd find in my own cuntry, Canada.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Canyon,

Most of this Japanese member club are closing down because of the bad world economy.

They should be happy to have any customer now.

As long that you spend money and dress well they should let you in, but I don't understand why is everything in Bangkok still cost so much higher than other asian countries.

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]

I will never set a foot in any of these places. They are hurting now? well Fuck them!

Why would anyone want to go there and support people that refused you in the first place? They wanted to segregate so now let them rely on the Japanese to save them.

I was walking on Sukhumvit last night with My Ipod on, minding my own business when I noticed that the 2 thai girls walking towards me were staring adn smiling. I smiled back, said "hi" as we passed each other and they stopped.

"Wait, where you go?" they inquired. I told them I was going to the fitness and they giggled. one of them asked me if she could touch my abs but I told her I am shy and cannot do this in public. She smiled.

We chit chatted about where I am from and what it is I am doing in Bangkok, my work... then the 1,000,000 dollar question: you have a girlfriend? (both of them could not stop giggling), I said I did not want a GF but I would not mind having a Gik (they were laughing hard at this point).

They are both single and working in a company building around sukhumvit, they were going to eat something before heading home.

I could sense a little shyness but as they were together, they probably found the strenght to talk loosely.

both girls asked if they could get a picture (to put on their phone), which I accepted and they gave me their phone numbers.

As they never had Farang Food before, I decided to invite them to my place and cook them dinner whenever they wanted. They were really excited about it and asked if they could bring a friend along (they also heavily insisted that she was beautiful and single).

The Date is set to Friday.

I already got a few sms from the girls this morning :)

Now, being the dog that I am... I am just trying to get off of my mind the possible foursome that can be created tomorrow.

Both girls were very cute (of course one was way better). I am pretty sure both will want to take things further than just a dinner, the question is, will they do it together? or separately?

I will try to give an update Saturday

(Damn, I love this country)

>both girls asked if they could get a picture (to put on their phone), which I >accepted and they gave me their phone numbers.

You must be a very good looking guy. That is why they took the picture so they can show to the third girl.

>Both girls were very cute (of course one was way better). I am pretty sure >both will want to take things further than just a dinner, the question is, will >they do it together? or separately?

Together or separately would not be a bad option. Save the ugly one for me.

[QUOTE=Ivanba]Escort Services – Although more expensive, I used escorts twice with great results. All in all a great trip so far.

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Great report. Few here talk about the escorts it seems.
I will be passing though BKK twice next month and only have a limited time. I plan to stay at LL, but would like to avoid the hassle and wasted time of searching for a good girl.

I think it would be better to set something up in advance. Your gal sounds great, but if she's not available, can you point me to a place where I can find similar? The website you mentioned looks good, but I am sure there are more out there.

My obliged.

[QUOTE=Asia Rob]Please don't flame me if anyone has already covered this in detail, but last night took a long walk down the Japanese-oriented soi parellel to Patphong in Silom. (it followed a great Japanese meal with the freshest fish eaten in BKK)

Can anyone shed some light on Japan-soi Undercover?[/QUOTE]

I read and speak Japanese, so I tried a massage targeted at Japanese thinking I might find something special, and the truth was it was dissapointing.

The girl was attractive but didn't speak Japanese or English very well. Her massage technique was weak, and all that was included was a HJ for the price (1,000/90min), with the offer of popping her top for an extra 500.

[QUOTE=Barko]Also, when you get there, just tell him you want the Nuru-Nuru package, a little more, but you'll be nicely surprised.[/QUOTE]

Well, there are some "surprises" I could do without, like the time an Eden Club girl wanted to stuff a dildo up my ass, and couldn't understand why I refused. Apparently many customers love to be fucked in the ass by the ladies (she admitted it was a very small dildo... but still).

I am not sure I am very keen on surprises in this country ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, there are some "surprises" I could do without, like the time an Eden Club girl wanted to stuff a dildo up my ass, and couldn't understand why I refused. Apparently many customers love to be fucked in the ass by the ladies (she admitted it was a very small dildo... but still).

I am not sure I am very keen on surprises in this country ;)[/QUOTE]You're funny NicFrenchy.

In this case, Nuru-Nuru is a gel-massage technique where you sit on a waterproof split chair and your girl makes a magic mix of a Japanese coldwater seaweed gel and warm water, then spreads the potion lotion all over you, then every nook and cranny is massaged with her breasts. She then does a slippery body dance with your manhammer as the main target. Yep, time to forget the old rubber mattress routine, this one takes the cake. The Nuru stuff is about as slippery and warm as anything I have ever felt anywhere anytime ($$$ for a little tiny bit, even in Japan: the normal use is in cosmetics) Very very pleasant sensation, and you will be back. Surprise surprise.

Good surprises here NicFrenchy, all good. Give it a try. Heh.

Background:

I arrived at LL about noon after a long 35 hours of travel. Showered up and tried to take a nap but couldn’t sleep. So decided to give Tulip a try. I thought then maybe I could get a little sleep before going out to the bars later. After a 15b one stop sky train ride I arrived at Tulip’s around 3:30 and talked to the mamma-san about my list I brought including all the superstars from this forum. Number 1 on my list was Yok but she was out, Nice, Nestle & Dao were all busy. So that left Nadea, Fa and JoJo. So took a look at the pictures, the mamma-san highly recommended Nadea and I thought she looked good so said let’s go-for-it.

Nadea Review:

The mamma-san called Nadea and she was right there and heads up the stairs saying let’s go off in front of me. She is tall slim and attractive. In the room she adjusts the AC gets my drink order and off she goes to get her stuff. When she gets back we get undressed shower then back to the bed. It’s a little awkward at first as we kiss, lick and touch each other but thing heat of pretty fast as we explore and then I find she is totally soaking wet. She says she’s horney and I think I’ve got to taste that so I move her into 69 with her on top. She tastes good and from that point it’s a bluer for about 20 minutes and she cums twice. She likes fingers and she’s tight to start with and loosens up as we go. Then on with the cover and with her on top, (As others have said, she drives hard and deep) and it’s a PSE as we move through all the positions until she cums and I cum about 20 minutes later. At this point I think I’m done but we still have about and hour to go. She gives me a very good leg, foot and groin massage with good pressure and style. She says she can give all types of massages. After that I still think I’m done, and decide to give her some more DATY and G-spot action and she ends up cumming two more times. After that she says "one more for you" and I tell her it will be difficult but go-for-it. This time she uses oil and gives an HJ. I don’t think it’s possible but she keeps going and going until true to Tulip legion she succeeds. "WOW that’s hard work", she says, "but that’s for letting me cum 5 times". We shower again, I give her 1500 + tip and the momma-san the 800 + a small tip for the recommendation and then Nadea pops a berry mouth drop in my mouth and gives me a kiss and I walk back to LL a happy man.

Back at LL:

I’m starved and ask about where to eat at LL. They tell me if I like AC then try the sports bar. When I get there about 7:00 pm I’m the only customer but all the staff is there. I order my meal which was a very good Thai curry pork dish and spend my time meeting each of the staff one at a time. I tell them all I’m too tired and end up back in my room at about 9:00 pm and sleep like a baby until morning. I feel great. Hmmm maybe I’ve found the cure for jetlag. Had breakfast by the pool and now working on the plan for day 2.

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[QUOTE=Asian Travels]I read and speak Japanese, so I tried a massage targeted at Japanese thinking I might find something special, and the truth was it was dissapointing.

The girl was attractive but didn't speak Japanese or English very well. Her massage technique was weak, and all that was included was a HJ for the price (1,000/90min), with the offer of popping her top for an extra 500.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to BKK! As your tiltle reads "more money less service".

That is the Bangkok of today - Far less bang for your buck than before!

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Canyon,

Most of this Japanese member club are closing down because of the bad world economy.

They should be happy to have any customer now.



[/QUOTE]
Is this the reason why Nana and Cowboy are flooded with Japanese now?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
As they never had Farang Food before, I decided to invite them to my place and cook them dinner whenever they wanted. They were really excited about it and asked if they could bring a friend along (they also heavily insisted that she was beautiful and single).

The Date is set to Friday.

I already got a few sms from the girls this morning :)

Now, being the dog that I am... I am just trying to get off of my mind the possible foursome that can be created tomorrow.

Both girls were very cute (of course one was way better). I am pretty sure both will want to take things further than just a dinner, the question is, will they do it together? or separately?

I will try to give an update Saturday

(Damn, I love this country)[/QUOTE]
allez mon vieux, how many PMs have you received from guys who are in town who want to join your little dinner partry?

[QUOTE=1Ball]allez mon vieux, how many PMs have you received from guys who are in town who want to join your little dinner partry?[/QUOTE]

So far, none (and I hope it stays that way). The girls are not prostitutes maybe they were FL's but I doubt it, not the way they were dressed.

I never thought they were prostitutes, mon cher. Just sounds like a fun party, with a bunch of nice girls. Who wouldn't want to be part of such a soirée?

For a while now my favorite girl from Soi Cowboy is what many would consider an average girl from Long Gun. After spending some time in the afternoon with Yok, and finessing my TGF to head home on the last MRT due to my very early wakeup the next morning, I headed to Soi Cowboy to find my girl. As most know Rawhide is boarded due to the fire and while it is being restored many of the girls are now in Long Gun. Long Gun has gone through some renovations which explain why there was no legroom a few weeks ago when I was there. They have completed the renovations, have a nice new sign which says Lucky Star in huge letters with Long Gun written small below.

Anyway, my girl wasn't around and though I lured over a girl whose body I really liked, she wasn't warming up at all. After a few shows and a drink I headed walked around a bit and saw a lot of pretty empty places. I sat in Shark over an orange juice. About 7 ugly, really short girls and fewer customers. Blech. I headed to Midnite. This was a bit dangerous since my TGF worked there for a short time over a year ago. But I figured I'd take a look to see if they had any new talent. While watching the girls on stage this other girl slide onto the couch next to me with a familiar look in her eyes. I knew she was familiar but couldn't place her. It turns out that a year ago she was a service girl in Midnite. She took some time off and when she returned the mamasan said she could work there but only as a dancer. Up on stage she went. She had a nice body. I like smallish perky tits and a nice ass and she had both. Another girl in the place who I've not taken for over a year and a half saw me and gave me the thumbs up for this ex-service girl. Due to my early wakeup, we agreed on ST, no fee discussed, and off we went. From the get go it was clear that she wants to rush this job. She wasn't kissing with any meaning behind it. Of course since I like to start off with a bit of DATY there wasn't much she could do to steer things in her direction. Eventually she got into it and she claimed to have come twice. Then she tried to remember and though maybe thrice. Either way she seemed to have really overcome her desire to rush things. She went to town with a BBBJ. While the Tulip girls are giving a BBBJ without trying to get you off ASAP, she wasn't doing it to prolong things. That said, she did a great job. Eventually I was the one that called out for a raincoat. She rode me for whatever it was worth and made me happy. Once the raincoat came off she headed to the bathroom, came out and got dressed. I handed her 1500 and she asked why only 1500 and not 2000? "Because 1500 is fine for Short Time." She didn't complain. Didn't ask for a tip. She bid me good night and said she was off back to Soi Cowboy.

At the bottom line I'd take her again. I'd try her long time just once to see if she can ditch the rush attitude. If she can I think she could be a pleasant frequent barfine.

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I looked thru the site and not really to my surprise I came across three girls that I know fairly well. Not thru the escort service but have met them as freelancers. There are a couple other girls I know who also do freelancing and escort service on the side. The escort biz can be slow and often they only get a referral one or two times a week and so freelance the rest of the time. Needless to say they get much more money going the escort route than as freelancers. But I can recommend all three of these girls - and one in particular is quite marvelous but it also serves as an example of what is slowly happening to the freelance scene.

Her name is Apple and she used to do the Nana Parking Lot late at night for 1,000 baht. She was totally under pricing herself and I went with her many times - great looker, great service and incredible English. Then about 2 years ago she disappeared until I saw her one night having a drink in Gullivers. Her hair was now blonde and it took me a minute to understand why this girl was waving me over. It finally hit me - Apple - she now only does the high end discos for about 4,000 baht - for old times sake she went with me for 2,000 but I haven't seen her since. She gets all these rave reviews on that site and I believe them.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-103156/[/url]

This other girl is also co-incidentally Apple (or Bun as she signs off) and have been with her 3 x - as she says she has two main assets but also speaks excellent English and is very good at what she does. She can also be found many nights at Gullivers.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-105916/[/url]

I am about 95% sure this is a girl I know as well but she is using a different name. She is another freelancer - totally wild - I mean she will f*** you to your death if that's the way you want to go. I recommended her to a friend on my last trip to BK and he later told me he she took everything out of him and he would not go with her again for fear of his well-being - 2 nights later he took her again and I just got an email from him 2 days ago that he was with her again. She has had a kid so her body is not perfect but certainly not bad - she is a ST experience - definitely not someone you would do a few days with - load up on Viagra first or she will be pissed if you don't screw her long enough.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-108101/[/url]

I think escorts are way overpriced but if you are new to BK and in town for only a short period of time perhaps its not a bad way to go.



[QUOTE=Asian Travels]Great report. Few here talk about the escorts it seems.
I will be passing though BKK twice next month and only have a limited time. I plan to stay at LL, but would like to avoid the hassle and wasted time of searching for a good girl.

I think it would be better to set something up in advance. Your gal sounds great, but if she's not available, can you point me to a place where I can find similar? The website you mentioned looks good, but I am sure there are more out there.

My obliged.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I looked thru the site and not really to my surprise I came across three girls that I know fairly well. Not thru the escort service but have met them as freelancers. There are a couple other girls I know who also do freelancing and escort service on the side. The escort biz can be slow and often they only get a referral one or two times a week and so freelance the rest of the time. Needless to say they get much more money going the escort route than as freelancers. But I can recommend all three of these girls - and one in particular is quite marvelous but it also serves as an example of what is slowly happening to the freelance scene.

Her name is Apple and she used to do the Nana Parking Lot late at night for 1,000 baht. She was totally under pricing herself and I went with her many times - great looker, great service and incredible English. Then about 2 years ago she disappeared until I saw her one night having a drink in Gullivers. Her hair was now blonde and it took me a minute to understand why this girl was waving me over. It finally hit me - Apple - she now only does the high end discos for about 4,000 baht - for old times sake she went with me for 2,000 but I haven't seen her since. She gets all these rave reviews on that site and I believe them.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-103156/[/url]

This other girl is also co-incidentally Apple (or Bun as she signs off) and have been with her 3 x - as she says she has two main assets but also speaks excellent English and is very good at what she does. She can also be found many nights at Gullivers.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-105916/[/url]

I am about 95% sure this is a girl I know as well but she is using a different name. She is another freelancer - totally wild - I mean she will f*** you to your death if that's the way you want to go. I recommended her to a friend on my last trip to BK and he later told me he she took everything out of him and he would not go with her again for fear of his well-being - 2 nights later he took her again and I just got an email from him 2 days ago that he was with her again. She has had a kid so her body is not perfect but certainly not bad - she is a ST experience - definitely not someone you would do a few days with - load up on Viagra first or she will be pissed if you don't screw her long enough.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-108101/[/url]

I think escorts are way overpriced but if you are new to BK and in town for only a short period of time perhaps its not a bad way to go.[/QUOTE]


15000 baht for 24 hour!!!!! [url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-108101/[/url]

Thats right on par with Las Vegas. I wonder how many fools have paid this amount?

[QUOTE=DRRonin]She is another freelancer - totally wild - I mean she will f*** you to your death if that's the way you want to go.[/QUOTE]Wonder where i can meet her aside the escort service. Would like to do this experiment.

[QUOTE=Pure Power]15000 baht for 24 hour!!!!! [url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-108101/[/url]

Thats right on par with Las Vegas. I wonder how many fools have paid this amount?[/QUOTE]Vegas rates would be more like five times that, 75G B, for an overnight.

Comparable to say, for example, SexiJasmine dotcum in Victoria, Canada.

As noted elsewhere on this site by other posters, some of these escort TG's also work as SWs for a fraction, maybe 20 percent, of their escort fees. So 1200 versus 6000 Baht ST.

But I can understand a guy in town for only a few days booking through the agency for the sake of convenience.

You have to remember some of the farang sex tourists who forgot to go home have turned into "pimps".

They realise the power of the internet, that some men are just too damn lazy to look, and so they do crawl around and find freelancers who will take 1000 baht, and then say to them "come work for me, I will advertise you on the internet, you will get lots of customers for 3000 baht or more, you give me 1000baht and you keep 2000baht for yourself".

If they can get a real nice one, they will try to market them on the internet for higher rates.

Its a very simple set up, Thai girls lack English skills, and so as a go between the "farang pimp" simply uses their English and markets what was cheap freelancer as "exotic thai office worker in need of money".

How many Thai girls know how to write "C cup" or "D cup" or half the stuff you see on line. If the English is anything other than crap, in general its a farang pretend pimp who is marketing them, and also often commenting on the services on internet forums, in order to try to get more business.

Crafty, but they get money from it for "nothing", so you cannot blame them.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I looked thru the site and not really to my surprise I came across three girls that I know fairly well. Not thru the escort service but have met them as freelancers. There are a couple other girls I know who also do freelancing and escort service on the side. The escort biz can be slow and often they only get a referral one or two times a week and so freelance the rest of the time. Needless to say they get much more money going the escort route than as freelancers. But I can recommend all three of these girls - and one in particular is quite marvelous but it also serves as an example of what is slowly happening to the freelance scene.

Her name is Apple and she used to do the Nana Parking Lot late at night for 1,000 baht. She was totally under pricing herself and I went with her many times - great looker, great service and incredible English. Then about 2 years ago she disappeared until I saw her one night having a drink in Gullivers. Her hair was now blonde and it took me a minute to understand why this girl was waving me over. It finally hit me - Apple - she now only does the high end discos for about 4,000 baht - for old times sake she went with me for 2,000 but I haven't seen her since. She gets all these rave reviews on that site and I believe them.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-103156/[/url]

This other girl is also co-incidentally Apple (or Bun as she signs off) and have been with her 3 x - as she says she has two main assets but also speaks excellent English and is very good at what she does. She can also be found many nights at Gullivers.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-105916/[/url]

I am about 95% sure this is a girl I know as well but she is using a different name. She is another freelancer - totally wild - I mean she will f*** you to your death if that's the way you want to go. I recommended her to a friend on my last trip to BK and he later told me he she took everything out of him and he would not go with her again for fear of his well-being - 2 nights later he took her again and I just got an email from him 2 days ago that he was with her again. She has had a kid so her body is not perfect but certainly not bad - she is a ST experience - definitely not someone you would do a few days with - load up on Viagra first or she will be pissed if you don't screw her long enough.

[url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-108101/[/url]

I think escorts are way overpriced but if you are new to BK and in town for only a short period of time perhaps its not a bad way to go.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tfutfu]Wonder where i can meet her aside the escort service. Would like to do this experiment.[/QUOTE]

Last time I was there in Dec. she did the Nana Parking Lot many nights - goes by the name of Tan in the real world - 1500 baht st - for all night I have no idea. Have her bring a friend. Anything goes. Also Gullivers or the Beer Garden - all the usual fl hangouts.

I don't remember who was asking about Strip clubs... well below is the Link:

THE STRIP (Patpong)
Drinks 120thb
Private booth (with a lady of your choice) 550 thb for 30 mn
(Extras are provided for a tip: HJ, BJ, FS but not all)

[url]http://www.strip-bangkok.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Is this the reason why Nana and Cowboy are flooded with Japanese now? [/QUOTE]Amjeck,

There have been more and more japanese flooded this place and Themae for the last 5 yr not just this yr, I think they are just getting smart for cheaper options, but you don't see them at the beer bar, I think they will only go so low.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=DRRonin]I looked thru the site and not really to my surprise I came across three girls that I know fairly well. Not thru the escort service but have met them as freelancers. There are a couple other girls I know who also do freelancing and escort service on the side. The escort biz can be slow and often they only get a referral one or two times a week and so freelance the rest of the time. Needless to say they get much more money going the escort route than as freelancers. But I can recommend all three of these girls - and one in particular is quite marvelous but it also serves as an example of what is slowly happening to the freelance scene.

Her name is Apple and she used to do the Nana Parking Lot late at night for 1,000 baht. She was totally under pricing herself and I went with her many times - great looker, great service and incredible English. Then about 2 years ago she disappeared until I saw her one night having a drink in Gullivers. Her hair was now blonde and it took me a minute to understand why this girl was waving me over. It finally hit me - Apple - she now only does the high end discos for about 4,000 baht - for old times sake she went with me for 2,000 but I haven't seen her since. She gets all these rave reviews on that site and I believe them.
[/QUOTE]
Its interesting that these girls can get high prices as escorts, as they are not to my taste at all.
Looks are rather fake. Bolt ons are somewhat ridiculous. If I met them in Nana parking lot, would not appeal to me.
The first girl has an O.K. face.

But then i appreciate other guys go for something different.
I am always too scared to try escorts as most sites do not show the girls face and I am scared that would be a broad faced very ordinary looking.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Its interesting that these girls can get high prices as escorts, as they are not to my taste at all.[/QUOTE]

I guess the prices are mostly for the Business Travellers who can't afford to be seen hunting anywhere. Privacy has a high price.

I spend another 3 weeks of fun in LOS, did the rounds of BKK & Pattaya & Tulip massage in BKK.

I'm a bit of a cheap charlie because I'm a poor SOB so my time in BKK isn't alot, the freelance options during the BKK portion of my trip was freelancer in the Nana parking lot 1 late night & a Ukrainian chick by the name of Elena who usually hangs out at the Subway on soi 7/1(Russian chick hangout).

I was quite surprised how decent her service was & how friendly she was, she accepted my 1000 for ST & back to her place for 75 minutes of nice GFE sex. I went to soi cowboy 1 night to check off another thing off my to do list--get serviced in public at Afterskool gogo bar.

For the cost of 5 drinks in total (480B) for me, mamasan & dancer plus the 200B each tip, I had both of them kissing & jerking me off at the bar until I shot my load. It was quite the experience having 4 hands on my cock & balls for 30 minutes while I fingered both of them at the same time, DFK the dancer & sucking on her tits. THE JOYS OF Thailand!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I guess the prices are mostly for the Business Travellers who can't afford to be seen hunting anywhere. Privacy has a high price.[/QUOTE]That is true, but not that high. Very extreme high prices are nearly always about ignorance on the part of the duped.

Does anybody know of a club or place in Bangkok where people engage in full sex in public like in Bernd's? Would love to see and participate. Will be in Bangkok a few days end of March: can't wait! Kind of Partnertreff but then everybody coming with his WG?

[QUOTE=DRRonin]Last time I was there in Dec. she did the Nana Parking Lot many nights - goes by the name of Tan in the real world - 1500 baht st - for all night I have no idea. Have her bring a friend. Anything goes. Also Gullivers or the Beer Garden - all the usual fl hangouts.[/QUOTE]I will tell you if i meet her somewhere.

But if she then really f*** me to death you will not here anything of it anymore, sorry.

Livingstone Lodge: Day 2

On my second night at LL, after getting to meet all the staff the night before, I couldn’t get one of the young ladies out of my mind. So I decided to go back and get to know here a little better and ended up bar fining for the night. It turned out that she was new to the place and (I think) to the whole scene and said she had just finished collage and looking to make some money. Her English skills were very good. Back at the room she was a GFE and open to everything I wanted to do (which is pretty basic). I gave her one of my full body massages and took my time because we had until morning. I then moved to DATY and on from there. But you could really tell she was new. In fact at one point I wondered if she had ever been with anyone other than for a quickie with a boy friend. She hasn’t learned the finer details of this sport yet, including grip and BJ skills. What she didn’t know was I had already been to Tulip’s earlier in the day and had some staying power. After about 2 hours she was wiped out and couldn’t go any further. So I thought I’d give her a rest and she was out like a light. She woke up around 5 for a quickie and then at 8 am she was on her way. All in all, a nice experience. Some of the guys here talk about the best girls are the ones just coming into the business, but I’m not sure that’s for me. I think I like a little more more experience, YMMV. She is a real nice girl and hopefully she will learn fast. They don’t teach this stuff in collage and maybe better for her if she gets a job using her real education.

Back to Tulip’s, JoJo Report: Day 3

Speaking of experience I decided to go back to Tulip’s and see if I could book Yok. It turned out she was already booked up for the day. So I ask about the next day and was able to book her. So since I was already there I got out my list and went through who was available now and settled on JoJo. JoJo is a cute girl with a bubbly personality. We seemed to click very quickly and ended up having a wonderful 2 hours + of fun. After about 1 hour she got my first pop and then gave me a massage and I gave her my famous G-spot massages which at one point got her to go after her vibrator from her toolbox, which we used to take her over the top. By then I looked at my watch and we were over the 2 hours. She insested that I stay and give her a chance to get my second pot and we spent the next half hour working on it until I called it quits. We then showered up and headed downstairs. They didn’t even ask about the extra time. My conclusion, I’ll take experience anytime. These women a Tulip’s just know what they are doing and from the ones I’ve met so far seem to like their work and have fun while they can.

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[QUOTE=Safariman]Does anybody know of a club or place in Bangkok where people engage in full sex in public like in Bernd's? Would love to see and participate. Will be in Bangkok a few days end of March: can't wait! Kind of Partnertreff but then everybody coming with his WG?[/QUOTE]Not like a partnertreff, but publick f****** depending on the customers in SOL Patpong.

Try, but not everybodies cup of tea.

I spoke to the third one in the list: [url]http://www.escortpictures.com/escort-158-108101/[/url]

Almost immediately she quoted me 2500 ST. Told me she likes to play pool at Absolute bar. Her English was rudimentary and it was obvious she did not write her advertisement - especially after receiving an email from her. I didn't follow up with her.

Those that I did meet spoke great English and I'm sure put their own listing together. Again, prices were negotiable. And they were definitely a cut above bar girls that I met.

[QUOTE=Easy2007]You have to remember some of the farang sex tourists who forgot to go home have turned into "pimps".

They realise the power of the internet, that some men are just too damn lazy to look, and so they do crawl around and find freelancers who will take 1000 baht, and then say to them "come work for me, I will advertise you on the internet, you will get lots of customers for 3000 baht or more, you give me 1000baht and you keep 2000baht for yourself".

If they can get a real nice one, they will try to market them on the internet for higher rates.

Its a very simple set up, Thai girls lack English skills, and so as a go between the "farang pimp" simply uses their English and markets what was cheap freelancer as "exotic thai office worker in need of money".

How many Thai girls know how to write "C cup" or "D cup" or half the stuff you see on line. If the English is anything other than crap, in general its a farang pretend pimp who is marketing them, and also often commenting on the services on internet forums, in order to try to get more business.

Crafty, but they get money from it for "nothing", so you cannot blame them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]

The Date is set to Friday.

I will try to give an update Saturday

(Damn, I love this country)[/QUOTE]Have you recovered yet?

So exited to read your report from Friday night.

I will arrive on 23. 2. 09 in BKK if there are any senior mongerer here who want to meet please let me know, can change some experiences.

I will not stay this time in suk area, more in the sathorn area, anyway taxis go around, hahaha I will have a day in IDA for sure. Any advise for stunners there, I am a tit man.

Looking forward

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]Have you recovered yet?

So exited to read your report from Friday night.[/QUOTE]

I recovered, Thanks :D

Report will come soon but don't expect anything too exciting or Graphic

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I was walking on Sukhumvit last night with My Ipod on, minding my own business when I noticed that the 2 thai girls walking towards me were staring adn smiling. I smiled back, said "hi" as we passed each other and they stopped.

"Wait, where you go?" they inquired. I told them I was going to the fitness and they giggled. one of them asked me if she could touch my abs but I told her I am shy and cannot do this in public. She smiled.

We chit chatted about where I am from and what it is I am doing in Bangkok, my work... then the 1,000,000 dollar question: you have a girlfriend? (both of them could not stop giggling), I said I did not want a GF but I would not mind having a Gik (they were laughing hard at this point).

They are both single and working in a company building around sukhumvit, they were going to eat something before heading home.

I could sense a little shyness but as they were together, they probably found the strenght to talk loosely.

both girls asked if they could get a picture (to put on their phone), which I accepted and they gave me their phone numbers.

As they never had Farang Food before, I decided to invite them to my place and cook them dinner whenever they wanted. They were really excited about it and asked if they could bring a friend along (they also heavily insisted that she was beautiful and single).

The Date is set to Friday.

I already got a few sms from the girls this morning :)

Now, being the dog that I am... I am just trying to get off of my mind the possible foursome that can be created tomorrow.

Both girls were very cute (of course one was way better). I am pretty sure both will want to take things further than just a dinner, the question is, will they do it together? or separately?

I will try to give an update Saturday

(Damn, I love this country)[/QUOTE]Hi Nic,

Any up date on this story?

Contrasting Experiences.

I had to go to On Nut to pick up some stuff from a friend, who failed to show, this really pissed me off as it is a long way out for me! I stood at Carrefour thinking what to do when I noticed some massage joints near the entrance to the car park from On Nut road. I like a nice oil massage sometimes, just to relax from a 6 day week in the gym.

I walked over to the less obvious one. There were two, one with pictures of women with rocks on their back and nice neat towels covering them, not for me. I chose the little seedier one, the one with a sign outside and price list. Alarm bells should have rang on the greetings at the door. Two rather feminine guys asking me to go in. Shit! At the reception desk (small table) a young girl smiled and asked me, "massage sir"? "Yes" I replied. Arse twitching a little on discovering more rather feminine guys in the joint. "oil massage sir"? She knew "yes" voice must have shown a little concern now, I was ready to exit. "Would you like a male or female"? "Female" I barked in both relief and confirmation of my sexual orientation. (I dare say a man could have given a great massage. And a good hand job, if on the menu, but not for me).

The receptionist called out for a girl to come in. As soon as I saw the girl (no not a lady-boy, just in case anyone was thinking I don’t know the difference) I knew it was going to be a good day. She was in her early twenties, very pretty, slim, and a fucking excellent set of top bollocks. She took me up to a room with about 10 segregated curtained cubicles. She went off to get her oil and I got undressed, and I waited for her return. Her massage was average, but very suggestive, she never tried to cover me like some girls that are not interested in making a few bob do. There was plenty of ring stroking and ball massage, and when I turned over she went straight at the erection builder. I laid there and enjoyed this young girls soft touch, I was just drifting off, when she grabbed my cock and whispered (other people were in other cubicles) "you want me to make him happy? 500 baht. OK". "Yes" I replied. This girl knew her stuff, she would take me to the edge then bring me down again, until finally I could not hold it any longer, she squeezed every last drop of cum out. BTW she also allowed me a nice grope of her young fit body, I think If I play my cards right I could get a bit more action here.

The massage was 250 baht. The excellent hand job 500 baht. A really nice 1. 5 hours. Recommended.

Anyone interested in a real oil massage no sex! I had the best massage ever, seriously the best I have ever had in my life!

On Sunday I had to wait for the other half and had a few hours to kill. So I decided to have a massage in a spa. I had seen a new one out the back of Seri Centre; I think it’s called "Home Massage and Spa". I was greeted by some really friendly ladies and soon decided on aromatherapy massage. The woman who was going to do my massage was in her thirties and very beautiful in a natural way. She offered me plastic pants, which I refused on the grounds of not being shy. I had a nice shower and entered a separate room which was nicely decorated and soft music. The massage was completely above board but so sensual, my little man was up and down like a yoyo. It was the best massage I have ever had and would recommend to anyone. BTW. I lied to the woman and said I was divorced, and she wants me to meet her outside of work. Fuck me I am in love again! A beautiful woman, fucking brilliant masseuse, and I bet the sex would be out of this world. More to come.

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I don't know if this has been posted before, but I walked up soi 7/1 last night past Eden, and noticed a sign on the door, saying they are closed for renovations. Nobody around to let me know for how long, etc.

[QUOTE=1Ball]I don't know if this has been posted before, but I walked up soi 7/1 last night past Eden, and noticed a sign on the door, saying they are closed for renovations. Nobody around to let me know for how long, etc.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right, I was walking up there yesterday late afternoon to get a double Eden treatment but a bunch of guys are working at the front, lots of tools and wood on the terrace, the place was temporary closed they said, did not know how long.

JE

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[b]Friday[/b]

Friday morning and without thinking too much about my possible dinner plans, I go to the office. That morning I receive an sms confirming the dinner but that only 2 girls will be there.

It was difficult for me to get too excited because I had the feeling that they were going to cancel at the last minute.

Fast forward to Friday 8pm, Dinner was set to start at 8pm and they texted me that they were on their way. At 8h15 I get a call from Security asking if I am expecting visitors, I tell them I am and they let the girls through. IT’s funny but if these girls were Foreigners, Security would have let them through without even asking a question.

The girls arrived and I am not surprised that they brought some snacks (after all, maybe their plan “B” in case they don’t like the food).
I must admit I did not cook, I bought the food from A well known Italian restaurant :)

Before starting to eat we went in the living room to have an Aperitif but sadly neither wanted alcohol (so much for my plan of boozing them). 2 “cokes” and 1 glass of wine for me, we got to talk about work and holidays then moved to the dinner table.
I did things properly, candles and nice chinaware, food was great (I admitted not cooking it) and we had a great time with plenty of laughs. The girls started to gossip about their work colleagues and I got to gossip about mine.

We moved back to the living room for another drink but the girls still did not want to try any alcohol. We (at last) started to talk about relationships…
They were very intimidated but open about it. Both laughed at my question about the “no sex should be had before marriage in thai culture” and assured me that Thai people start to be curious at a very early age now, and that some young girls get pregnant as early as 15. I am not sure if this is a fact but it would explain the abundance of young girls in the P4P, they wait until 18 (let’s hope they do) and then try to earn a living to support their kid.

We talked about Farangs and their behavior in LOS, but the girls seemed not to be bothered by us, they said it is good to have farangs and that some are very friendly.

Out of the 2 ladies, one was clearly the “pretty one” (and a nice rack too) while the other was ok looking (nice rack too). It was getting late and the girls said they had to go (shit, shit, shit). The pretty one went to the bathroom leaving me with the other girl who said thank you for the meal and that she would like to go to the movies tomorrow. Deal, “I will sms you”, I told her before the friend came back.

They left and that was that for the Dinner… so much for the Threesome eh? LOL

[b]Saturday[/b]

I was at the fitness in the afternoon when I got an Sms from “pretty girl” asking me what I am doing, when I told her I was at the gym she said she was hungry and want to go eat. I was not sure where she was or if she was expecting to go eat with me (and pay) so I played it cool. I told her that I can go eat with her but I have to go to meet someone after, “I know” she replied, I coming too. Mmmhh. I was wondering if these two were taking me for a ride or not.

What to do? I could call the whole thing off but then again, in Thailand you can never know so I decided to play along.

We met at Siam Paragon, had dinner (I paid) and then went to the movies to see some chick Flick (funny movie about shopping, but a little boring). Oh, did I mention that they did pay for the movie ticket? (mine included?).
After the movie we went for Ice cream and “pretty girl” said she had to go to her friend house so she left. I was left with the other lady who was eyeing me and smiling.

I hoped she had on her mind the same thing I had, and yes, she did. I invited her for another drink at my place and she shyly accepted except this time, she had alcohol (these Baccardi coolers). She loosened up after a while and one thing leading to another, she had her tongue in my mouth.

We had sex and I was pleased to see that she was not a virgin but the thing that worried me was that she was ready to have sex without a condom.
The girl needs to be trained.
Office girls are nice but the only criticism I would have is that once you have tried some very good P4P ones, the regular ones just seem… regular. BJ was average and she was very enthusiastic but clumsy.

I am not certain I should see her again as she wants to go out for dinner again (don’t want her to get too comfy).
I also received a message from “pretty girl” and she also wants to go out for dinner but I am still not certain whether she plays me or not.

I don’t want to be in trouble as these 2 work together so if they find out I am dating them separately, they might not be very happy and since they know where I live, I don’t want to be paying the consequences.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I don’t want to be in trouble as these 2 work together so if they find out I am dating them separately, they might not be very happy and since they know where I live, I don’t want to be paying the consequences.[/QUOTE]
"Pretty Girl" has got to know by now that you have fucked her friend, but she still wants to date you, so I would simply get them together again and come right out with your desire for a threesome and see how they respond. If they agree, you're in business. If not, you've lost nothing as you didn't want to get too close to either of them anyway.

In any event, good report, and I hope you have fun and score!

[QUOTE=Daddy07]"Pretty Girl" has got to know by now that you have fucked her friend, but she still wants to date you,[/QUOTE]

I also think she knows but something inside me thinks that she just takes advantage and just wants to take me for a ride. I know many Thais have Giks that don't have sexual relationships but that isn't what I want.

And trust me, I am sure that if a Thai lady is beautiful enough, then there are plenty of Thai guys that have 1000 times more money than I do.

Example: our Office clerk, Very pretty, tall, 19 years old... her GIK came to pick her up at the office in a Ferrari! yes, a Ferrari. Now I think these cars go for about 40 million?
it will take me 13 years at my actual (very comfortable) salary to get enough to buy one of these.

To get back to the pretty girl, I have not decided yet but most likely will let her go and stick to P4P, unless the bad feeling I have passes and I change my mind

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...And trust me, I am sure that if a Thai lady is beautiful enough, then there are plenty of Thai guys that have 1000 times more money than I do...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but don't forget that you are a farang, and that is what they want. :)

Nic, the GIK with the Ferrari, Farang, or Thai guy?

[QUOTE=1Ball]Nic, the GIK with the Ferrari, Farang, or Thai guy?[/QUOTE]

100% Thai guy

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]PArt I : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=849438&postcount=5289[/url]

Before starting to eat we went in the living room to have an Aperitif but sadly neither wanted alcohol (so much for my plan of boozing them). 2 “cokes” and 1 glass of wine for me,

I don’t want to be in trouble as these 2 work together so if they find out I am dating them separately.[/QUOTE]Nick,

In previous postings you stated that you don’t drink alcohol, a French guy that does not drink, BS, I never have meet one, so you are not a real French or forgot the difference in taste between water and wine LOL. Now finally you confess that you drink wine. Welcome in the club.

Be sure that girl A will tell the whole sex experience she had with you to girl B, girls chat more about this subject than even men do, I grew up between a bunch of sisters, I thought I know now all about it but still surprised about new things girls come up with. Don’t hesitate and go for girl B, she knows already how your junior looks, be sure.

John

Hi Guys,

I will be in BKK from Saturday. Does anyone know of any girls with pierced tongues?

I left my brain behind in my hotel room early this afternoon and headed off to Patpong for a visit to SoL.

Dodging the persistent touts along Silom Rd and the adjacent sois (why can't these clowns take no for an answer after the 10th time? Has anyone actually been tempted to hit one yet? I can sympathise.)

Anyway, was disappointed to find a 'viewing gallery' of (mainly) farang at an outside bar to the right of SoL at about 12. 30pm. Staring hard at anyone wandering in the vicinity of my favourite Bangkok bar. It was very off-putting. Far more than the 'walk of shame' in a five star hotel in Singapore or elsewhere. These clowns were clearly there to watch the goings-on at SoL, not just enjoy a drink at a bar (there were plenty more to choose from which were unoccupied, and had larger fans or air con. I hope this isn't a trend there. Perhaps someone needs to have a word with the outside bar. I'd never do that to fellow mongers. At least not that close! )

As I stated, I left my brain at the hotel room and a short time later found myself climbing the stairs to the soapie on soi Patpong (opposite the cross-street to SoL).

I enjoy a good soapie every now and again for variety. And I was in the mood for both a little light massage and FS.

As I neared the door a female tout all but 'jumped' me and dragged me in. She then sat and discussed the price and asked which girl I'd like. There were about 10 to choose from, all ranging from 5 to 7 in the light. I asked where they were from. Laos or Thailand. And was immediately recommended a Laotian on the assumption I preferred them to Thai. I decided not to argue. In a flash she was sitting between the tout and I, smiling longingly and running her hand over my thigh. Her name was Pai.

It was actually quite difficult making a choice as all the girls were of acceptable standard to me. I asked how much for a girl and was told 1500, which sounded reasonable. "Everything" included. Then the tout. Who had since been joined by a mammasan who sat on the other side of me asked if I would like two girls for 2500.

With brain out of service back at the hotel, I figured this sounded like a good idea, so then asked the girl if she had a 'friend'. Some conversation or translation took place and Pai told me no. But she had a sister. Her name was Lek.

Sold.

I handed over the 2500 baht. Plus 60 baht for a chilled water. Then the tout asked for 100 baht tip. I laughed, but she became more insistent. Oh, what the hell, it's only Aussie $4, so I handed it over. So Mammasan now asks for a 100 baht tip as well. "No, no, " I replied, you've got your fee from the 2500. Some indecipherable response was given and she again asked and started to get pushy. So I gave her 50 baht to shut up.

And off Pai, Lek and I went to the elevator.

Turned out I had hit the jackpot with Lek (Thai: small) who was anything but! Long lustrous hair. Which one couldn't see from the sofa when eyeing the girls up. Fell down below her very shapely bum. She had a gorgeous face, nicely shaped, firm breasts and. Well, she was as close to a 9 as I've ever seen in a soapie.

Pai was very friendly and cute, somewhat flat chested but a cute little bum and long (ish) hair. She was the younger sister, 29 allegedly (looked 19) and Pai was 30 (looked 19. But then maybe my eyesight is fading, or needed the brain for accurate judgement).

Two minutes in the room, stripped off, and there was a knock at the door. No, I thought, surely they're not offering a third girl.

Mammasan was outside: "Would you like to buy the ladies a drink? " No, I thought, I'll give them a tip afterwards so they keep the full dosh. "You don't have to, " she continued. Well, that's an effective up-sell, isn't it? ! I sent her off politely.

I'll spare a long dissertation about the soapie. We all know what happens in these places, and both girls got down to their business professionally and without an ounce of laziness I've seen before (once on Sukhumvit soi 1 took two girls who spent the entire hour or so talking non-stop. Even when sucking, incredibly! It was just like a night in front of the telly back home! )

Pai got me in the mood with a pretty good (covered) BJ before I suggested she climbed on board (I was pretty frustrated and didn't seem likely to hold off for long alas. No big brain around to make the little one behave). A brief exchange between the two girls ensued and it was Lek. To my delight. Who climbed on and rode like a trooper after taking a minute or two to stretch enough to accommodate me.

The disturbing thing was: before the BJ commenced, Pai told me that if I wanted to be looked after I'd have to tip the girls because "we only get small commission from mammasan". How much could I give them, she asked. Without a brain in residence, I said 500 baht each, immediately regretting it, but anxious to get into one (or both) of these cuties. "1000 each" she replied. Christ, what is this an auction? , I thought recalling being told downstairs that "everything" was inclusive, even spelt out to include "blow job, sex". "No, 500 EACH" I said firmly, but politely. And without another word they got to work.

Hey, I finished very happy (indeed) relaxed, spring cleaned all over, and with load well-spent. But money well spent? The 'squeezing' of tips throughout tainted the experience.

As I left, I felt physically satisfied, but couldn't help but think I'd just spent 2500 + 100 + 60 + 50 + 1000 on a soapie! My god! No brain.

I could have been in seventh heaven with two girls at SoL a block away for 2000 + tips and the price of a beer.

On the other hand, if Lek was available for out-call for a night, that would definitely be worth every baht of the above! But I've never heard of 'bar fining' soapie girls.

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[QUOTE=Daddy07]Yeah, but don't forget that you are a farang, and that is what they want. :)[/QUOTE]

Thai girls prefer Farang over Thais? This statement proves that you have a lot to learn about this country. With few exceptions, if given a choice, the vast majority of Thai women will take a Thai man, even a low-life scumbag over a Farang any day of the week.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Thai girls prefer Farang over Thais? This statement proves that you have a lot to learn about this country. With few exceptions, if given a choice, the vast majority of Thai women will take a Thai man, even a low-life scumbag over a Farang any day of the week.[/QUOTE]
OK, then explain to me why these girls did a double take when they saw Nic on the street; why they went to his condo right off; why he was able to fuck one of them the 2nd time they met; and why the other one still wants him knowing that he's fucked her friend? Are you telling us these girls can't get regular Thai guys? Sure, maybe they don't want him for a husband and father, but it sure looks to me like they want the benefit of his dick for a while.

Oh, and I might ask, why does your perfect little Thai angel want you -- a self described ordinary looking bloke? Why does a beautiful 22 year old want an old geezer like me? Are these girls the exception? Are they mentally ill?

I tend to think that some of them find us exotic and want a taste for themselves.

Not sure why i am writing this and I am feeling more and more like a grumpy old man although I am only 38!!! Please accept my apologies in advance and I realise I shouldnt write this but feel compelled to.

Nic Frenchy, i have lived in Bangkok for 4 plus years now and it is very easy to sleep with "nice office girls" in Bangkok that you can meet everywhere (but most succesfully online for me)....but two supposedly good office girls approaching you in the street and asking to feel your abs??? C'mon dude, there is absolutely no way that is going to happen regardless of how good looking anyone is...that is just 100% out of character for the kind of girls you are describing...sorry dude, not saying i disbelieve the whole story but i defintely do not beleive that part...

Sorry if I have inadvertantly ruined anyones fantasy world here...i do feel a bit of duty though to try and keep things based on reality so that newbies do not turn up here with some incorrect ideas...

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Oh, and I might ask, why does your perfect little Thai angel want you -- a self described ordinary looking bloke? Why does a beautiful 22 year old want an old geezer like me? Are these girls the exception? Are they mentally ill?[/QUOTE]LOL! Actually i seem to recall some comments from our esteemed profesor
about mental illness and Thais. What was that, OTH, that it infects all Thai?

I should add three points as follows.

1} All women are mental disneylands.

2} Sexual repression in LOS causes a desire for it.

3} Thai women are horny bitches.

4} Most TGs would choose a loaded farang over a low life Thai,
all other things being equal.

5} TGs know Westerners have a big dong, so they want to try it out.

Just like they enjoy sampling every food, be it ant, mosquito, BFs ear.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy]...sorry dude, not saying i disbelieve the whole story but i defintely do not beleive that part...
[/QUOTE]
My experience of Thailand is that no matter how unlikely something seems, it is still possible in LOS.

Girls vary from the extremely shy prudish to the very wayward. There must be girls in between.

I know of a SOL girl thats now works a regular job in Central, but she must still be wayward.

Some office girls are doing a little P4P on the side. Some may be just very naughty.

Its good to be skeptical though. The ISG is just full of stories. No one knows to what extent they are true.
Many of us are totally convinced by own warped perspectives too.

My view is that truth is very hard to get hold of. Everyone has their own view.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Thai girls prefer Farang over Thais? This statement proves that you have a lot to learn about this country. With few exceptions, if given a choice, the vast majority of Thai women will take a Thai man, even a low-life scumbag over a Farang any day of the week.[/QUOTE]


You may be an old Thai hand, but you still have a lot to learn about the women of Thailand. Just because you've been around for a while does not mean that you're very observant or have drawn valid conclusions.There are hardly any women in Thailand who would choose a Thai scumbag over a respectable Farang. In general, I have found that Thai women prefer Farangs, because in general, Thai men treat Thai women so poorly. My view is that it is foolish to state categorically whether Thai women would prefer a Thai man or a Farang. It all depends on the man---and the woman. Looks, wealth, age, social status, intelligence and rapport are all factors. Those are the real things that would determine a woman's choice---not ethnic group.

[QUOTE=Canyon]You may be an old Thai hand, but you still have a lot to learn about the women of Thailand. Just because you've been around for a while does not mean that you're very observant or have drawn valid conclusions.There are hardly any women in Thailand who would choose a Thai scumbag over a respectable Farang. In general, I have found that Thai women prefer Farangs, because in general, Thai men treat Thai women so poorly. My view is that it is foolish to state categorically whether Thai women would prefer a Thai man or a Farang. It all depends on the man---and the woman. Looks, wealth, age, social status, intelligence and rapport are all factors. Those are the real things that would determine a woman's choice---not ethnic group.[/QUOTE]Canyon;

I will try to say this in the kindest way possible. I hope that you get it, but I doubt it very much.

You also have a lot to learn, you need to get rid of your "Colonial" way of thinking and attitude. You really have no idea what you are talking about in regard to Thai women. I hope you do not carry this attitude toward most asian female.

[QUOTE=Asia Rob]
On the other hand, if Lek was available for out-call for a night, that would definitely be worth every baht of the above! But I've never heard of 'bar fining' soapie girls.
[/QUOTE]

The best way would be to go back, take her again and ask for her phone number when you have her in private.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Thai girls prefer Farang over Thais? This statement proves that you have a lot to learn about this country. With few exceptions, if given a choice, the vast majority of Thai women will take a Thai man, even a low-life scumbag over a Farang any day of the week.[/QUOTE]
Who cares about the vast majority of the hi-so types that you profess to hate.
There are plenty of Thai women who hate Thai men (generalising). Not all of them enjoy getting beaten up, or ordered around, or being sponged off, or just being dumped to be stuck with supporting the kids, and parents, and brothers, etc.

Your GF seems to prefer a Farang.

Some girls seem to be looking for some guy with a good heart with will care about them. It may be easier to find this in a Farang.

On the other way round.
O.K. Its true that most Australian guys want an Australian women, but there are plenty like myself who do not. I have not been with an Australian women for over 15 years and its very hard to meet one I would even desire. I like foreign.

In Australia many Thai girls have Thai BFs and many do not. Thai girls are not completely favouring Thai men. The more wealthy the Thai girl, the more likely she is to have an Asian BF, who can put up with her. Some of these Thai girl students from rich families are really selfish spoiled brats who do not know how to do any work at all.

Geez. Lots of consternation on this one.

For one thing, I'm not just around HiSo women. I know women from all walks of life. Although, I'd say the further down the ladder you go, the better the chances are that the women might consider a Farang as a partner. But, the vast majority of those are only attracted to Farang because of money and security. Some might find us exotic. But, quite honestly, Thais are generally not interested in exotic. They are interested in what they know and what they are comfortable with. I'd still say that most Thai women who are middle class or above would likely not date, let alone marry a Farang, which is what I was really thinking of when I made the statement. Isaan farmgirls don't count. They're desperate. But, even they would prefer a Thai given a choice. How many stories have there been of some hapless Farang in love with an Isaan girl, who has a "brother" upcountry who in reality is her Thai BF or husband?

Few Thai women, for example would ever really want to leave Thailand, except perhaps for a short holiday. When they do move overseas, it's usually out of necessity rather than desire. They are so wired to their culture, that they find it hard to deal with anything else for any length of time. They are also brainwashed into believing the superiority of Thai culture and are in general real homebodies.

Also, given that Thai women would be answerable to their families and parents, it's highly unlikely except for the poorest and neediest, that their parents would exactly be thrilled if they were with a Farang.

Sure there are exceptions. I didn't say all, and I do believe it has changed somewhat over the last 12 years, since I first arrived. But, I'd still say the vast majority of Thai women prefer someone from their own culture. Maybe they might fuck a Farang guy, if he's good-looking enough and/or decent to them. But, most would never marry one, unless they had to.

As for my GF...Actually, I don't know. She says she hates Thai men because of bad experiences. But, I'm not sure I believe her. I provide security and stability for her, which is something she seems to want the most - (not necessarily financial, I don't give her much, if any money, now as she has her own salary). But, I'm not sure I believe her, any more than any other Thai women when she says she loves me. Her family approve of me, mainly because of my education, and my job and are happy about what I have done for her. But, she didn't tell them about me for well over 6 months because she was afraid. It was only after her father found out, and was quite angry and demanded she leave me and come home, that I was eventually accepted (to a point) - but only after he found out where I worked and my background.

Quite honestly, if I found out she had a Thai guy on the side, I wouldn't be that shocked - upset, probably - shocked, no. The relationship works for me, for the moment. Why not? She's 24, very cute, and fun to be with. We get along very well. But, I have no illusions about it, anymore than with any other relationship.

I think that people are mistaking a desire for a quick fuck, a fantasy date, a need for security and a guy with a "good heart to take care of me", for love. Thai women, of a certain type and inclination will be with a Farang for all these reasons. But, rarely would she be with one for love. I still maintain that for that, most Thai women would pick a Thai guy, however bad he is.

While I know that some on here have had experience with Thai women from various walks of life, including the upper echelons, most of you only know the poorest of the poor, off the farm in Isaan. Therefore, you're not really in a position to judge this question, accurately.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Geez. Lots of consternation on this one...[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100% that I still have a lot to learn about Thailand and Thai women in particular.

For the record though, when I said that a farang is what "they" want, I was referring to Nic's two new play pals, not Thai women in general.

I'm sure that the 22 year old who wants me is wanting security and she can't seem to see beyond that.

As to why your sweetheart wants you ... unimaginable! :D

So OTH this is deep and very correct.
I support a TG at present to a limited extent while she is at school but harbor no delusions. Still there is always a warm welcome in BKK.
Otherwise to paraphrase PinkPearl misquoting OTH:

1} All women are mental disneylands. (Not actually true but close - there are some outstanding examples of TGs living in their own disneylands)

2} Sexual repression in LOS causes a desire for it. (i was not sure this is true; but the only 2 HiSo girls i picked up almost killed me with love and kinky love at that)

3} Thai women are horny bitches. (This is so true)

4} Most TGs would choose a loaded farang over a low life Thai,
all other things being equal. (LOS Motherhood statement - how to disagree?)

5} TGs know Westerners have a big dong, so they want to try it out. (Mostly true, of all the Asian countries its a pleasure to hear TGs say: "Now (wow), THAT is a cock ! ..." )

Just like they enjoy sampling every food, be it ant, mosquito, BFs ear (... desert but mostly Farang cock?)

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Geez. Lots of consternation on this one.

For one thing, I'm not just around HiSo women. I know women from all walks of life. Although, I'd say the further down the ladder you go, the better the chances are that the women might consider a Farang as a partner. But, the vast majority of those are only attracted to Farang because of money and security. Some might find us exotic. But, quite honestly, Thais are generally not interested in exotic. They are interested in what they know and what they are comfortable with. I'd still say that most Thai women who are middle class or above would likely not date, let alone marry a Farang, which is what I was really thinking of when I made the statement. Isaan farmgirls don't count. They're desperate. But, even they would prefer a Thai given a choice. How many stories have there been of some hapless Farang in love with an Isaan girl, who has a "brother" upcountry who in reality is her Thai BF or husband?

Few Thai women, for example would ever really want to leave Thailand, except perhaps for a short holiday. When they do move overseas, it's usually out of necessity rather than desire. They are so wired to their culture, that they find it hard to deal with anything else for any length of time. They are also brainwashed into believing the superiority of Thai culture and are in general real homebodies.

Sure there are exceptions. I didn't say all, and I do believe it has changed somewhat over the last 12 years, since I first arrived. But, I'd still say the vast majority of Thai women prefer someone from their own culture. Maybe they might fuck a Farang guy, if he's good-looking enough and/or decent to them. But, most would never marry one, unless they had to.

As for my GF...Actually, I don't know. She says she hates Thai men because of bad experiences. But, I'm not sure I believe her. I provide security and stability for her, which is something she seems to want the most - (not necessarily financial, I don't give her much, if any money, now as she has her own salary). But, I'm not sure I believe her, any more than any other Thai women when she says she loves me. Her family approve of me, mainly because of my education, and my job and are happy about what I have done for her. But, she didn't tell them about me for well over 6 months because she was afraid. It was only after her father found out, and was quite angry and demanded she leave me and come home, that I was eventually accepted (to a point) - but only after he found out where I worked and my background.

Quite honestly, if I found out she had a Thai guy on the side, I wouldn't be that shocked - upset, probably - shocked, no. The relationship works for me, for the moment. Why not? She's 24, very cute, and fun to be with. We get along very well. But, I have no illusions about it, anymore than with any other relationship.

I think that people are mistaking a desire for a quick fuck, a fantasy date, a need for security and a guy with a "good heart to take care of me", for love. Thai women, of a certain type and inclination will be with a Farang for all these reasons. But, rarely would she be with one for love. I still maintain that for that, most Thai women would pick a Thai guy, however bad he is.

While I know that some on here have had experience with Thai women from various walks of life, including the upper echelons, most of you only know the poorest of the poor, off the farm in Isaan. Therefore, you're not really in a position to judge this question, accurately.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bowerboy]sorry dude, not saying i disbelieve the whole story but i defintely do not beleive that part...[/QUOTE]

Hi... (dude)?

It is up to you to believe or not, I am not trying to boast, just writing it like it happened. After that it is up to each persons' interpretation.

But just because it hasn't worked for you doesn't mean it isn't happening. And by the way, 80% of the approaches I get are from Gays (unfortunately).

[QUOTE=Daddy07]As to why your sweetheart wants you ... unimaginable! :D[/QUOTE]

Yes. It is unimaginable :D. I learned a long time ago here to take things somewhat with a huge grain of salt. That way, things with Thai women tend to remain pleasant and uncomplicated, regardles of their true feelings.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Geez. Lots of consternation on this one.

For one thing, I'm not just around HiSo women. I know women from all walks of life. Although, I'd say the further down the ladder you go, the better the chances are that the women might consider a Farang as a partner. But, the vast majority of those are only attracted to Farang because of money and security. Some might find us exotic. But, quite honestly, Thais are generally not interested in exotic. They are interested in what they know and what they are comfortable with. I'd still say that most Thai women who are middle class or above would likely not date, let alone marry a Farang, which is what I was really thinking of when I made the statement. Isaan farmgirls don't count. They're desperate. But, even they would prefer a Thai given a choice. How many stories have there been of some hapless Farang in love with an Isaan girl, who has a "brother" upcountry who in reality is her Thai BF or husband?

Few Thai women, for example would ever really want to leave Thailand, except perhaps for a short holiday. When they do move overseas, it's usually out of necessity rather than desire. They are so wired to their culture, that they find it hard to deal with anything else for any length of time. They are also brainwashed into believing the superiority of Thai culture and are in general real homebodies.

Also, given that Thai women would be answerable to their families and parents, it's highly unlikely except for the poorest and neediest, that their parents would exactly be thrilled if they were with a Farang.

Sure there are exceptions. I didn't say all, and I do believe it has changed somewhat over the last 12 years, since I first arrived. But, I'd still say the vast majority of Thai women prefer someone from their own culture. Maybe they might fuck a Farang guy, if he's good-looking enough and/or decent to them. But, most would never marry one, unless they had to.

As for my GF...Actually, I don't know. She says she hates Thai men because of bad experiences. But, I'm not sure I believe her. I provide security and stability for her, which is something she seems to want the most - (not necessarily financial, I don't give her much, if any money, now as she has her own salary). But, I'm not sure I believe her, any more than any other Thai women when she says she loves me. Her family approve of me, mainly because of my education, and my job and are happy about what I have done for her. But, she didn't tell them about me for well over 6 months because she was afraid. It was only after her father found out, and was quite angry and demanded she leave me and come home, that I was eventually accepted (to a point) - but only after he found out where I worked and my background.

Quite honestly, if I found out she had a Thai guy on the side, I wouldn't be that shocked - upset, probably - shocked, no. The relationship works for me, for the moment. Why not? She's 24, very cute, and fun to be with. We get along very well. But, I have no illusions about it, anymore than with any other relationship.

I think that people are mistaking a desire for a quick fuck, a fantasy date, a need for security and a guy with a "good heart to take care of me", for love. Thai women, of a certain type and inclination will be with a Farang for all these reasons. But, rarely would she be with one for love. I still maintain that for that, most Thai women would pick a Thai guy, however bad he is.

While I know that some on here have had experience with Thai women from various walks of life, including the upper echelons, most of you only know the poorest of the poor, off the farm in Isaan. Therefore, you're not really in a position to judge this question, accurately.[/QUOTE]'Inside moat' Chiang Mai resident with large antique style home for 18 years, 1986-2004. Now in Phuket, (bought raw land 12 years ago with Thai lawyer 'writ lease' for thirty years... re-upped every year, built singular hillside house 5 yrs ago, now here permanently.) Spend 8-12 days per month in Bangkok for consulting maintenance and corporation privileges.

From my experiences of late, [b]LOS en toto, the exception now appears to be the rule. A socially laddered farang is now accepted into Thai families of equal standing.[/b]

Rundown of marriage worthy status for Thai well to do, gleaned from Thai matriarch at extremely hi-so Bangkok condo dressy pool party last fall...

[b]This is the group, read em and weep:[/b]

1. Chinese Thai with known wealthy family, (Not as mia noi. Chinese Thai collect mia noi recognized as bragging rite habit)
2. Thai National with known wealthy family.
3. Chinese National with money (Hong Kong/Macau 100% preferred.)
4. Korean National with money.
5. Singaporean National with money.
6. Farang, preferably California American with LOTS of money. (Up from entirely off top ten listing)
7. Japanese National with money (Japanese are now considered tightwads, down 4 listings)
8. Thai National with middle class family, Dr or upwardly mobile banking/political status please. (Down 3 listings)
9. Farang, Italian, i.e. Milano, with LOTS of old money, NO Northern nor Eastern Europeans need apply (UK inclusive.)
10. Malaysian Chinese, with LOTS of money. (Known tightwads, down 5 listings)
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Thai office girls are now 100% open to dating farang men, as long they are socially and monetarily acceptable and within guidelines. (Meeting a cute chick working at the bank, with you being a normal line stander, does NOT fall under guideline rules for parental acceptance.)

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Others:

-Thai female teachers (ajahn): Now perfectly acceptable for Euro/US/Canadian dating with benefits, prove monetary jai dee (donating family money for even the most retarded reasons,) then rise to full marriage status.
-Thai government workers: No farang acceptable.
-[b]Thai normal (90% of all Thai girls, any type of employment): Thai speaking farang with money and 80% Thai dietary reference requirements = the proverbial pot of gold at end of rainbow.[/b] Perfectly acceptable.

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Of noteworthy status here; Many 'normal' Thai girls have Thai boyfriends that they do not admit to. These girls will take farang BF's money and donate $80% to Thai boyfriends as required. The Thai BFs, in turn, have other GFs (yais or gig) whereby they donate $10% (of farang>GF received $) to each GFas required. Farangs must know and understand that this is part of the Thai culture (Have many very hilarious examples to wit, and will expound as needed here)

...

This subject requires much more research and many many discussions over multiple pints of decent lager/ale.

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TIT

Old Thai Hand and Soap Fan - you are correct. One theory (which I have seen no empirical evidence of) is that the average Thai IQ is lower than others. No racisim here - in fact Asians are usually smarter than caucasions, with Indians in the lead. I digress.

I think Thai women are more highly sexed than the West, and certainly more than Debbie Cha Cha from Broken Hill. They are also family orientated. However, that only goes so far. When you are poor, cooperation is one tool to enhance the odds of getting ahead. Once rich (and the need for cooperation is lessened), bitter family feuds are common. There is no mystique in Asia. Looked at with objectivity, human nature is very similar - and selfish.

And yes, they do like big dicks (though not all - some find it painful). But like all women, they crave security and money. That goes right back to to the time of the cave and dinosaurs. Men hunted. Women nutured children. This changed a few hundred years ago. But our brains are still in 60,000 BC.

Like most people in every country, women would like the stay in the same culture except for the poverty bit. Japanese are an exception in Asia, and are more adventurous. Anyone who has had a Japanese girlfriend know that they have strong carnel appetites and like Western men who have emotions.

Meanwhile, Thai chicks are merely opportunistic, like most women. But in the end, when they take off their clothes, women look the same. I prefer a girl who knows how to suck and swallow and does so willingly to wake me up, and is willing to do anal when that takes my fancy. Thai women know that mind blowing sex is the best relationship glue with a male and is actually little effort compared to working hard, study and discipline.

Put aside language and culture. Stripped to its bare elements, they are like most women, but with less cringe at being a female than feminist western women who think denial of the muff = power rather than the truth which is the opposite.

Heart stopping blowjobs, tight screws, a smile, and a girly giggle are very strong things that most men are powerless against.

That's what it is all about.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus] in fact Asians are usually smarter than caucasions, with Indians in the lead. I digress.[/QUOTE]

Well, yeah they probably are smarter, I mean, seeing as caucasi[b]o[/b]ns don't exist.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations[/url]

Thailand is # 40 with an IQ of 91 while india is #61 with an IQ of 81 ... so I am not sure where you get your Statistics from?

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]Heart stopping blowjobs, tight screws, a smile, and a girly giggle are very strong things that most men are powerless against. That's what it is all about.[/QUOTE]There must be a "Dummies Guide to Being a Bar Girl" as many Thai working women seem to have mastered these attributes quite well. Or, maybe there is a training brochure on the overnight buses from Isaan?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, yeah they probably are smarter, I mean, seeing as caucasi[b]o[/b]ns don't exist.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations[/url]

Thailand is # 40 with an IQ of 91 while india is #61 with an IQ of 81 ... so I am not sure where you get your Statistics from?[/QUOTE]

Opening statement from your referenced site:
[i]IQ and the Wealth of Nations is a [b]controversial[/b] 2002 book by Dr. Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Ulster, Northern Ireland, and Dr. Tatu Vanhanen, Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Tampere, Tampere, Finland.[1] The book argues that differences in national income (in the form of per capita gross domestic product) correlate with differences in the average national intelligence quotient (IQ). The authors interpret this correlation as showing that IQ is one important factor contributing to differences in national wealth and rates of economic growth, but that it is not the only determinant of these differences. The data, methodology, and conclusions have been [b]criticized[/b].[2] The 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality is a follow-up to IQ and the Wealth of Nations.[/i]

Of the top ten, Asian countries hold 5 places. Guess who comes in at #21.

My own opinion - we're all high IQ at ISG :D

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, yeah they probably are smarter, I mean, seeing as caucasi[b]o[/b]ns don't exist.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations[/url]

Thailand is # 40 with an IQ of 91 while india is #61 with an IQ of 81 ... so I am not sure where you get your Statistics from?[/QUOTE]And I always thought I was so smart and intelligent.

Now I have to accept that the MP-girl in Poseidon has more brains than I have. Poor me!

[QUOTE=Bowerboy]Not sure why i am writing this and I am feeling more and more like a grumpy old man although I am only 38!!! Please accept my apologies in advance and I realise I shouldnt write this but feel compelled to.

Nic Frenchy, i have lived in Bangkok for 4 plus years now and it is very easy to sleep with "nice office girls" in Bangkok that you can meet everywhere (but most succesfully online for me)....but two supposedly good office girls approaching you in the street and asking to feel your abs??? C'mon dude, there is absolutely no way that is going to happen regardless of how good looking anyone is...that is just 100% out of character for the kind of girls you are describing...sorry dude, not saying i disbelieve the whole story but i defintely do not beleive that part...

Sorry if I have inadvertantly ruined anyones fantasy world here...i do feel a bit of duty though to try and keep things based on reality so that newbies do not turn up here with some incorrect ideas...[/QUOTE]

I second that. At my last visit in Bangkok, I had a office girl, whose did p4p in the Spice Club. She was much more into sex, as the most gogo girls I had until now. Well, that girl might not have earn alot, so she did some p4p to add up here salary, but I got the impression that she did that not because she need the money, but she liked also the thrill of p4p. Though, I got the feeling that not the sex was the thrill for her, but the adventure to make a man horny.
On another journey in Pataya, some years ago, I met two freelancer in Lucifer. The one had a obviously good payed job in Chonburi. She showed me pictures of her house, where she lived alone and she had a car with which she brought us (her, her friend and me) back to Soi Naklua. Her friend owned a book shop. She gave me her business card. Well both went to farang clubs to have fun and earn some extra money for p4p.
I asked for the reason, since it can't be poverty. She told me, that they want to sleep with farangs only, because of all those hollywood movies, mtv music videos and so on, showing farangs are en vogue. Of course that plays a role for girls, since they are easily to impress. They follow every trend and so, it's no wonder that Thai girls are curious to have experience with a farang.
Same like in the western world with black guys, since black music are en vogue at MTW. ;-)

I meant to reply to T1234 but too lazy to pick up the quote now.

Its quite possible to have a high IQ and still be dumb.
I mean I am a wiz with mathematical puzzles, number series, shape patterns, logic, etc, but a dummy when it comes to understanding women and how to manipulate people.

Skills of life are not taught in schools or by our parents or any way. We had to learn the hard way by making lots of mistakes.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, yeah they probably are smarter, I mean, seeing as caucasi[b]o[/b]ns don't exist.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations[/url]

Thailand is # 40 with an IQ of 91 while india is #61 with an IQ of 81 ... so I am not sure where you get your Statistics from?[/QUOTE]

I think this is a dangerous topic to get on as it does tend to end up being racist in the end.

The whole notion of IQs is suspect, IMO. The tests to measure IQ are formulated largely in the West and therefore biased. They fail to take into account cultural issues or modes of thinking, which differ quite dramatically between East and West.

Although I don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, from personal experience I'd say that despite India scoring lower than Thailand, Indian students are head and shoulders above Thai students in just about any subject. Thais remain the worst students in terms of general knowledge, critical thinking and overall intelligence of any I've ever taught.

[quote=barko].....rundown of marriage worthy status for thai well to do, gleaned from thai matriarch at extremely hi-so bangkok condo dressy pool party last fall...

[b]this is the group, read em and weep:[/b]

1. chinese thai with known wealthy family, (not as mia noi. chinese thai collect mia noi recognized as bragging rite habit)
2. thai national with known wealthy family.
3. chinese national with money (hong kong/macau 100% preferred.)
4. korean national with money.
5. singaporean national with money.
6. farang, preferably california american with lots of money. (up from entirely off top ten listing)
7. japanese national with money (japanese are now considered tightwads, down 4 listings)
8. thai national with middle class family, dr or upwardly mobile banking/political status please. (down 3 listings)
9. farang, italian, i.e. milano, with lots of old money, no northern nor eastern europeans need apply (uk inclusive.)
10. malaysian chinese, with lots of money. (known tightwads, down 5 listings).....[/quote]

good luck to 'em finding spouses. it's hard to imagine any well-balanced person wanting to marry into this nonsense. anyone with half a brain can make money without these twits. most of them will end up more-or-less inbreeding, same as their peers the world over, making their next generations even less appealing. leave them to implode. they will, eventually.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I think this is a dangerous topic to get on as it does tend to end up being racist in the end.

The whole notion of IQs is suspect, IMO. The tests to measure IQ are formulated largely in the West and therefore biased. They fail to take into account cultural issues or modes of thinking, which differ quite dramatically between East and West.

Although I don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, from personal experience I'd say that despite India scoring lower than Thailand, Indian students are head and shoulders above Thai students in just about any subject. Thais remain the worst students in terms of general knowledge, critical thinking and overall intelligence of any I've ever taught.[/QUOTE]

My reply was just meant to be tongue in Cheek, not serious at all LOL
I don't care about IQ and as Mick said it is quite possible to have a high IQ and still be dumb

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Guess who comes in at #21.[/QUOTE]

huh? sorry I can't count that far ...

[quote]My own opinion - we're all high IQ at ISG :D[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree here, I think this forum has its share of complete idiots (and that's regardless of race)

When the prick stands up, the brain sits down.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003]When the prick stands up, the brain sits down.[/QUOTE]

Hahahahaha very funny, I love it.

[quote=terry terrier]good luck to 'em finding spouses. it's hard to imagine any well-balanced person wanting to marry into this nonsense. anyone with half a brain can make money without these twits. most of them will end up more-or-less inbreeding, same as their peers the world over, making their next generations even less appealing. leave them to implode. they will, eventually.[/quote]do i sense a bit of jealousy. maybe you did not make it on the list or too far down the list? as for your comment on "inbreeding" you may be correct in europe but you are way off base in asia.

maybe your luck will be better in your next life.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I think this is a dangerous topic to get on as it does tend to end up being racist in the end.
.[/QUOTE]

I agree and sorry if I offended anyone.

My reply to Nic was meant to be tongue and cheek. You will note I indicated that referenced site was controversial and criticized - code words for "full of shit". Not even sure how the IQ discussion even started...

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]My reply to Nic was meant to be tongue and cheek.[/QUOTE]

That's how I took it. However, the idea of your tongue and my (butt) cheeks is scary! :D

wasn't there an old joke that said that a guy can either have a working brain or a hard dick but not both at the same time because there wasn't enough blood to supply both at once?

[QUOTE=Bnlee2]Do I sense a bit of jealousy. Maybe you did not make it on the list or too far down the list? As for your comment on "inbreeding" you may be correct in Europe but you are way off base in Asia.

Maybe your luck will be better in your next life.[/QUOTE]

I tend to side with Terry on this one. I'm around these people all day, and a lot of them are already inbred twits.

What these HiSo girls may fantasize about and what their families ultimately impose on them are often two completely opposite things.

I had a conversation, today with a group of my female students about this very topic. One of them is desperate for a BF. She is quite stunning: tall, mix of Indian (grandmother's side) and Thai, therefore a little bit dark for Thai tastes (I wouldn't mind havin' a go...nudge nudge, wink, wink).

She fantasizes about dating a well-known Thai music star (who I happen to know). But, her major criteria for the long-term, according to her family's wishes is quite different:

1/ rich
2/ old (30-40)
3/ Thai, or "acceptable" Asian (no Japanese, maybe Korean, definitely HK Chinese)
4/ A Farang might do, in a pinch. But, they would have to be very well connected (i.e. good family) and extremely well-off.

I'm not sure what Thais consider a "good family" in Farang terms. David Beckham, perhaps? :D

In these types of conversations I've had before with HiSo matriarchs and such, I tested the waters of perception by mentioning my own roots: German nobility (my Great Grandfather was a Graf von Whats-it), certainly much higher up the ladder than all these f-ing Thai Mom Ratchawongs and the Mom Luangs. But, interestingly, it doesn't really compute with them. I suppose if one was loaded to the tits with money, it might be a different story.

On the flip side of this, I know a Swedish guy from a HiSo Swedish family who married an upwardly mobile TG, without his family's blessing and who had to subsequently divorce her because she was lower class, than him - all quite silly really. Although, I did enjoy the reverse come-uppance dealt to the girl's decidely pretentious and thus very annoying family.

Just as an aside... she subsequently became my GF for a short-time and was a great shag and had absolutely massive tits (by any standard).

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]1/ rich
2/ old (30-40)
3/ Thai, or "acceptable" Asian (no Japanese, maybe Korean, definitely HK Chinese)
4/ A Farang might do, in a pinch. But, they would have to be very well connected (i.e. good family) and extremely well-off.[/QUOTE]Curious about a few things:

1. what does she consider to be rich? Obvisouly she is looking for someone who makes much more than 40K Baht a month, but how much is rich, realistically.... David Beckham rich, or just well to do -- which means what?

2. Additionally, does she only want to stay in Thailand or would she want to move elsewhere?

3. How old is she? Uni age? Looking for someone as old as 40?

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]There must be a "Dummies Guide to Being a Bar Girl" as many Thai working women seem to have mastered these attributes quite well. Or, maybe there is a training brochure on the overnight buses from Isaan?[/QUOTE]

There is indeed!! I saw it by my eyes. It is sold hand to hand from the resellers of junk stuff you can see around Nana all time long. They try to sell dumb articles to men, and the "Bar girl guide" to the girls. You've never seen it because you are not a girl then they will not offer you. They keep it hidden, instead.

A girl I get in touch with, had in her bag. She used once to find an english expression, then I saw it and ask her what was about. She gave it to me and I read it here and there.

Now I know why it is kept very well hidden. It is very offensive and...
if you had one copy you could understand all the scam tecniques the girls use to squeeze money out of customers.

And some of those bad behavior you comment, are trained bye that guide, I saw them. "How to tease bj to get more money" and so....

[QUOTE=Brenno]

Now I know why it is kept very well hidden. It is very offensive and...
if you had one copy you could understand all the scam tecniques the girls use to squeeze money out of customers.

And some of those bad behavior you comment, are trained bye that guide, I saw them. "How to tease bj to get more money" and so....[/QUOTE]

I assume its in Thai not English ?

[QUOTE=Brenno]There is indeed!! I saw it by my eyes. It is sold hand to hand from the resellers of junk stuff you can see around Nana all time long. [/QUOTE]

Obtaining a copy and translating it into English (the ISG language) would be a fine service to humanity (at least to the mongers in Thailand)!

[QUOTE=Dinghy]wasn't there an old joke that said that a guy can either have a working brain or a hard dick but not both at the same time because there wasn't enough blood to supply both at once?[/QUOTE]I remember a similar one.

When I was born I had to choose between an good working brain or a big dick and now I am old I can’t remember which one I choose at that time.

John

[QUOTE=Thepfu]Curious about a few things:

1. what does she consider to be rich? Obvisouly she is looking for someone who makes much more than 40K Baht a month, but how much is rich, realistically.... David Beckham rich, or just well to do -- which means what?

2. Additionally, does she only want to stay in Thailand or would she want to move elsewhere?

3. How old is she? Uni age? Looking for someone as old as 40?[/QUOTE]


Her parents are multi-millionaires. Therefore, at least, David Beckham rich. As old as 40 would be fine. She's 21. I'm sure she'd live elsewhere, if it was posh enough.

BTW, she's an extremely intelligent, nice and sweet girl. She just wants what she wants, and she'll likely be able to get it.

Was in Midnite last night and there seems to be a whole lot of new talent. This wasn't the case a week ago on a Tuesday night. Maybe lots of talent only shows Wed-Sat?

Anyway pulled this girl. Amazing oral skills.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]BTW, she's an extremely intelligent, nice and sweet girl. She just wants what she wants, and she'll likely be able to get it.[/QUOTE]

Take away the "extremely Intelligent" part and you might have described half the women in LOS ;)

[QUOTE=Pita123]Was in Midnite last night and there seems to be a whole lot of new talent. [/QUOTE]

I have also noticed a trend, due to the lack of customers a lot of girls are thinking about changing bars hoping for Good luck. Not really New talent per se, just girls from different bars.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Was in Midnite last night and there seems to be a whole lot of new talent. This wasn't the case a week ago on a Tuesday night. Maybe lots of talent only shows Wed-Sat?

Anyway pulled this girl. Amazing oral skills.[/QUOTE]
Everyone will be at Midnight now .

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Everyone will be at Midnight now .[/QUOTE]

Everyone but me... I like them with a bigger chest :D

[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming]I assume its in Thai not English ?[/QUOTE]

It was actually Thai but..

It has many comics insides as to be clearer, always remember many girls don't even know to write Thai.

Besides there were english sentences for the specific circumstances. Also transaltion from Thai but not always.

It was very well done, as with my poor thai I could understand, the few things I read.

Obviously I didn't read alll pages, thought it was a very light book. I didn't read 'cause I do not like to hurt by myself.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I'd say the further down the ladder you go, the better the chances are that the women might consider a Farang as a partner. But, the vast majority of those are only attracted to Farang because of money and security. Some might find us exotic. But, quite honestly, Thais are generally not interested in exotic. They are interested in what they know and what they are comfortable with. I'd still say that most Thai women who are middle class or above would likely not date, let alone marry a Farang, [/QUOTE]
Very true!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
"But, the vast majority of those are only attracted to Farang because of money and security"
[/QUOTE]
basically, they can't get a quality thai guy, so they go for the last resort: a farang!

Over the last 5 weeks I have been several times scrolling trough Soi coboy, having a beer here and there and at least 5 times in Suzy Wong, on the stage only 5 or 7 girls from a below 4 on our scale, few customers, same as everywhere even on a Friday night, never seen a lesbian show as before, when I asked for it to mamas and she said, wait later on will com but it was only WOFT.

I like the signs that girls are showing on the street to get clients inside.

We have more girls inside than you can handle, another one says.

20 ugly girls inside and even some fat ones (yes have seen a few there).

Looked in to a few other clubs but faced the same problem, sometimes even did finish my drink and getting frustrated from seeing guys with the little elephant again in the street.

Only Tilac as the most stunning girls on stage was always packed till late, girls showing clients there little pussy from below the miniskirt, how can you resist to look closer, at least I had a good time there few nights, took also my Mrs with me to show that I can behave when necessary.

My first and last drink is mainly at County Road with the life band, always full with people, fun and dancing, not a bad place at all (avoid the time with the Elvis imitator, he is bad news I know him for a long time and treat farangs like shit). Wondered when Rawhide will be open again, looks like renovation does not move on.

John Euro

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I have also noticed a trend, due to the lack of customers a lot of girls are thinking about changing bars hoping for Good luck. Not really New talent per se, just girls from different bars.[/QUOTE]When i was with Rin few day ago , she complained that she had only 2 girls in the MP now instead of 5 before , no more outcall's from hotels and have had not seen a customer for last 3 day’s.

So a give here a good day with some income.

John

Most people on our planet are primarily attracted to "their own kind", and this holds for Thai as well.

I spent quite a few years in the Netherlands and Germany. The local men in general. Collegues and friends. Were primarily interested in blond and blue-eyed women. Not that brunettes were considered ugly, but "being beautiful" always equated to "being blond".

I suppose the caucasian members on this forum consider Thai women as attractive or "Ok" at least. Despite this I do wonder which of these members deep in their heart think that blonde and blue-eyed women are still nr. 1.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Everyone but me... I like them with a bigger chest :D[/QUOTE]
Old ladies with big tits get you going, right?

I never really understood what big tits are for.
But had a wonderful Czech girl once, tall and real "F" cups (yes 2 sizes beyond D).
Size of american footballs (though much less than soccerballs fortunately).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Everyone but me... I like them with a bigger chest :D[/QUOTE]


Well, she appears to have had some "work" done on her face already. So, perhaps she plans to do her boobs as well.

I personally don't get all the excitement over this girl and the one that everyone is waffling on about in the photo gallery. I wouldn't give either of them a first look, let alone a second. There are so many far superior women to be had, if one has the time.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Old ladies with big tits get you going, right?[/quote]

Well, I wouldn't say OLD, but fear not, when I'll reach you guys age, I'm sure I'll develop a craving for nice and fresh teenagers :D

[quote]I never really understood what big tits are for.[/quote]

right, well that's a tough one to answer LOL
do you understand what small tits are for? if yes, then big tits are the same (but bigger) ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
do you understand what small tits are for? if yes, then big tits are the same (but bigger) ;)[/QUOTE]

Big or small, I drool over them all, unless they are floppy!

[QUOTE=Brenno]There is indeed!! I saw it by my eyes.[/QUOTE]

I've seen one like that too, in Pattaya .. the girl seemed to regard it as a normal phrasebook, and asked me about pronounciation from it.

It seemed pretty sensible from the girls' point of view .. bit of a survival guide ..

while back i asked if pattaya was worth going to, got a wide variety of opinions. for anyone out there who like me was wondering about whether to stay in bkk or pattaya. .

i'm in pattaya right now and i will say what someone else said. as soon as you get off the plane, take taxi to pattaya. the sheer number of girls is staggering. there are beer gardens everywhere--and that's not counting the walking street area. you can never go to walking street and still see thousands of working girls. soi 6 mostly has the lower end girls, but still i have seen at least a dozen very pretty girls there, a number in the 8 to 9 range. one for me was a perfect 10. i've gone to the gogos every nite but every nite i wonder why--there's quality just as good on soi 6 and in the beer gardens all over town, and cheaper. soi 6 also generally friendlier than gogo's. but soi 6 also has some real dregs, so you get both top end and low end (you don't see many dregs at the better gogo's).

from soi 6 i've gone with one girl twice who i would have guessed was 15 if she didn't have an id card. got two very good bjs from her. another girl, at least an 8, for most men i think a 10, 19 years old, thin, beautiful. went twice. short time good. long time was a bit of a disaster and i think i was scammed me out of some money, i sent her on her way after one boom boom. another girl, another absolute beauty, tall, thin, healthy 19 year old, short time. very nice, easy to talk to, great smile, but in the bed too clinical for me. but hard to complain given that she was stunning.

some complaints tho. there seems to be a lot of scams around, some of the girls promise more than they are willing to deliver. some you think are going to be dirty, but turn out that they won't let you touch their pussy, won't touch your dick without a condom, and overall can get very clinical. but on soi 6 the total damage can often be as little as 1000 baht (bar fine plus 700 for girl) and i find it hard to get real upset over $35.

also i find lt confusing. it appears that no matter what time you get a girl for lt, what you get is 2 boom boom (1 pm, 1 am). at least this is true for the high end girls, which are the only ones who interest me. and even if a girl seems to say that she will do more than 1/1 boom boom, you will probably only get the 1/1. if you want more, she will start to say she has headache, no feel good, etc etc. suspect that some of the girls who aren't in the 8+ range and have more trouble finding customer might be more open to more boom boom.

at 250 lbs and 47 years old i am getting some rejections, especially for lt (which actually usually i don't want, even tho i ask), especially from the top tier girls, especially from 1-2 of the better gogo clubs. some girls seem to have asian preference i think or at least non-farang preference. so, do not fall in love with any girl until you know she will go with you.

bkk i found it hard to find very pretty girls (rainbow 4 was exception), although a few rep001tered about. soi cowboy had 1-2 clubs with a number of quite pretty girls. pattaya has far more girls in the 8+ range--but you do have to look, and/or go from gogo to gogo until you find what you want.

thanks to all posters for their advice and education on bkk and pattaya.

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, I wouldn't say OLD, but fear not, when I'll reach you guys age, I'm sure I'll develop a craving for nice and fresh teenagers :D

right, well that's a tough one to answer LOL
do you understand what small tits are for? if yes, then big tits are the same (but bigger) ;)[/QUOTE]
Not teenagers !! I prefer girls only 20 years younger than me!

As for tits, I go for the nice curve of a non-sagging natural shape (size doesn't matter as long as not non-existant) and I like the shimmer and bounce of high firm but natural ones.
If they are wider than the girls body (with arms raised), that is a bonus for me. I don't really like the look where bras push the tits together making a closed crack between. Braless is a better look for me. I like dark medium sized nipples.

For bottoms, I also like high full cheeks, but again with good separation. Its all about the gap that is real sexy for me.

So upper thighs should not bang together, bottom cheeks should have a little gap (you know where), and even tits should have some gap.

Waist to thigh width ratio should be in range .65 to .75

You see, I know exactly what I want. And occasionally meet some perfect specimens. But not often.

[QUOTE=Satrai2000]Most people on our planet are primarily attracted to "their own kind", and this holds for Thai as well.

I spent quite a few years in the Netherlands and Germany. The local men in general. Collegues and friends. Were primarily interested in blond and blue-eyed women. Not that brunettes were considered ugly, but "being beautiful" always equated to "being blond".

I suppose the caucasian members on this forum consider Thai women as attractive or "Ok" at least. Despite this I do wonder which of these members deep in their heart think that blonde and blue-eyed women are still nr. 1.[/QUOTE]Are most German & Netherlands men and women blonde haired?

I prefer blonde or red hair, but in Canada most women do not have that.

In Thailand that is even more the case, yet I still find it easy to find ladies to my liking in that regard.

Eye colour is relatively a non issue for me. As a caucasian with blue eyes, I cum from a cuntry where blue is probably not the most common colour.

IMO Asian women have as beautiful eyes as any others in the world. But, then, the Canuck city I live in is nicknamed Hongcouver.

Skin colour was not mentioned, so I will not comment on that.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Everyone will be at Midnight now .[/QUOTE]

Well feeling that 'Duty Calls' I dropped the GF off at the Airport and went for a look.

Its true, things have changed, lots of new good looking 50:50s there. Plenty of barely 18s too !! Talking to the girls it would seem average age is around 20 yrs old and most say they have been in BKK about 2 weeks to a month :)

The 'show' is good, you get to see what you are buying, in the flesh - all bare bar a tiny see thru mesh skirt, not many 'spunk bellies' on show either.

In order to not disappoint - I came away with a pair of em, two of the tiniest sub 40 Kg babes ever. The BF was 700 and each girl wanted 2K ST and 4K LT, which was soon negotiated downwards to a very reasonable (IMHO) 4K LT for both together. The fun lasted until I left for the Airport next day at 1030. Didnt pay any Joiner Fee, but also I couldnt swing 3 inclusive breakfasts on my Hotel so had to pay 250 Baht extra for the 3rd one !!! It was worth it to see the faces of the 'older guys' who thought they had bagged a good one the night before, and even better when I told one guy that my girls had skipped school that morning.

Possibly the best girls on Cowboy, well at least for the next month or so.

Cheers, FF

[QUOTE=Satrai2000]Most people on our planet are primarily attracted to "their own kind", and this holds for Thai as well.

I spent quite a few years in the Netherlands and Germany. The local men in general. Collegues and friends. Were primarily interested in blond and blue-eyed women. Not that brunettes were considered ugly, but "being beautiful" always equated to "being blond".

I suppose the caucasian members on this forum consider Thai women as attractive or "Ok" at least. Despite this I do wonder which of these members deep in their heart think that blonde and blue-eyed women are still nr. 1.[/QUOTE]
In Ireland all the girls are blonde and only the gay guys are blonde. I exaggerate only slightly.

So many blondes are not really that blonde.

Who cares, blonde or brunette? Beauty is definitely not about hair colour or big tits.

I am not attracted to my own kind Australian women.
Foreigners only.
On the other hand I have a long face (rather than round) and tend to be attrcated to girls with long face too.
I have big nose but am attracted to girls with cute little nose.

I can't really find any pattern here.

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]negotiated downwards to a very reasonable (IMHO) 4K LT for both together.[/QUOTE]

Now THAT my friend, is a good deal! bravo! and since they also performed to your liking, kudos to you. (thumbs up).

It looks like the quality of the bars in Cowboy is getting better. Could it be that NANA girls migrate because SC seems to be much more popular these days?

By the way, P4P is still hurting, not enough customers to feed the hungry single mother's babies.

Well done, 2K per girl Long Time is the correct amount to pay, and you said, you had a great time.

I do not see why people think you get any less for negotiating, the standard rates are the standard rates and they are selling sex.

Some people think you only get a good time by paying way over the top. They need to get with it, just like the shirts and pants on the side of the road, you negotiate down if they want too much, and no....they do not swap the goods for poor quality ones.

2K LT and good performance is the standard going rate, and I had 3 very good ones last week.

Needs to be kept being said though :

500 baht is a HJ at upmarket oily.
1000 baht covers a HJ/BJ combination at an oily
1500 baht covers a HJ/BJ/FS combination at an oily.
1000 baht to 1500 baht will cover any short time.
2000 baht is long time covered.

If performance is bad, you mark the price down. If performance is good, you pay the standard rates and if performance was out of this world good, then you may wish to pay a little more for the extra effort they put in.

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]In order to not disappoint - I came away with a pair of em, two of the tiniest sub 40 Kg babes ever. The BF was 700 and each girl wanted 2K ST and 4K LT, which was soon negotiated downwards to a very reasonable (IMHO) 4K LT for both together. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Not teenagers !! I prefer girls only 20 years younger than me!

As for tits, I go for the nice curve of a non-sagging natural shape (size doesn't matter as long as not non-existant) and I like the shimmer and bounce of high firm but natural ones.
If they are wider than the girls body (with arms raised), that is a bonus for me. I don't really like the look where bras push the tits together making a closed crack between. Braless is a better look for me. I like dark medium sized nipples.

For bottoms, I also like high full cheeks, but again with good separation. Its all about the gap that is real sexy for me.

So upper thighs should not bang together, bottom cheeks should have a little gap (you know where), and even tits should have some gap.

Waist to thigh width ratio should be in range .65 to .75

You see, I know exactly what I want. And occasionally meet some perfect specimens. But not often.[/QUOTE]

Must say I share your taste. Especially the little bottom cheek gap, a small detail but so nice. Then for me, I can add I like a little darker skin too. And about age, I'd say from 25 yrs and up, its a little more then 20 yrs younger than me, but OK. Nearly 30 yrs.. hard to admit even to your self...

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I have a long face (rather than round) and tend to be attrcated to girls with long face too.
I have big nose but am attracted to girls with cute little nose.

I can't really find any pattern here.[/QUOTE]

Thank god for that!
If we were all attracted to the things we have, you think we'd be attracted by a Big dick? LOL

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Now THAT my friend, is a good deal! bravo! and since they also performed to your liking, kudos to you. (thumbs up)..[/QUOTE]
Well it wasnt bad, however taking into account the Food/Drinks and Taxi Fare, plus the 'extra' breakfast - total spend was 7K +
Still a bargain even in these 'poor' times, but it would have been even better if the girls had 'played together' too!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It looks like the quality of the bars in Cowboy is getting better. Could it be that NANA girls migrate because SC seems to be much more popular these days?.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and having heard that Nana was seemingly even further down the hill than it was before, I opted for a recce of Cowboy. I actually flew home with a guy who claimed to be in Bar Syndicate with quite a few well known places in Cowboy on his books. He reckoned although takings were down, business was still quite good and lucrative enough for him to afford Business Class Flights from London every 2 or 3 months. He seemed happy enough with the new restaurant they just opened too - Called The Old Vic, near to 'Old Dutch' end of Cowboy, but not so sure exactly where.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]By the way, P4P is still hurting, not enough customers to feed the hungry single mother's babies.[/QUOTE]
I dont go for the single mums, hence my liking for the 'less dressed' go-gos where one can hopefully spot a 'spunk belly' and look the other way.

Cheers, FF

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]
I dont go for the single mums, hence my liking for the 'less dressed' go-gos where one can hopefully spot a 'spunk belly' and look the other way.

Cheers, FF[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you explained. Had no idea what a spunk belly was. I actually like single mothers, but not exclusively. They are much less likely to have a Thai BF sponging off them as they simply can't afford it. May still have a Thai brother (real one) attempting to sponge though.
Single mothers are also less likely to have a Thai sugar daddy, as Thai men also don't really go for mothers that much.

Some girls pussies are a bit too tight for me, but less likely with "mothers" ;) LOL

[QUOTE=Brenno]There is indeed!! I saw it by my eyes. It is sold hand to hand from the resellers of junk stuff you can see around Nana all time long. They try to sell dumb articles to men, and the "Bar girl guide" to the girls. You've never seen it because you are not a girl then they will not offer you. They keep it hidden, instead.

A girl I get in touch with, had in her bag. She used once to find an english expression, then I saw it and ask her what was about. She gave it to me and I read it here and there.

Now I know why it is kept very well hidden. It is very offensive and...
if you had one copy you could understand all the scam tecniques the girls use to squeeze money out of customers.

And some of those bad behavior you comment, are trained bye that guide, I saw them. "How to tease bj to get more money" and so....[/QUOTE]Here it is.

It sells very good. 2nd edition

[QUOTE=Satrai2000]Most people on our planet are primarily attracted to "their own kind", and this holds for Thai as well.

I spent quite a few years in the Netherlands and Germany. The local men in general. Collegues and friends. Were primarily interested in blond and blue-eyed women. Not that brunettes were considered ugly, but "being beautiful" always equated to "being blond".

I suppose the caucasian members on this forum consider Thai women as attractive or "Ok" at least. Despite this I do wonder which of these members deep in their heart think that blonde and blue-eyed women are still nr. 1.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that most people are primarily attracted to their own kind. I rather would guess that most people are attracted to what is seldom, eg. what has a high status.
The mayority of Indians and Arabs pay by far higher prices for white chicks, than for Asian or black ones. That might be because they have a higher status.
I like for example Arab girls, with black hair, wide hips and small waists. Other men go more for Asian girls, mostly those who like the petit type more than the feminine type.
For each his own.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]In Ireland all the girls are blonde and only the gay guys are blonde. I exaggerate only slightly.

So many blondes are not really that blonde.

Who cares, blonde or brunette? Beauty is definitely not about hair colour or big tits.

.[/QUOTE]

In my experience a large number of Irish girls are redheads - and that wasn't just their heads!

And as for beauty, hair (or lack of it), it's colour and their tits (size dependent on ones preferences) are all important ingredients.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]In my experience a large number of Irish girls are redheads - and that wasn't just their heads!
[/QUOTE]
I was in Dublin so i should not have said Ireland.
But I didn't see many redheads (without checking any pubes)

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]I've seen one like that too, in Pattaya .. [/QUOTE]

Saw a different one today :-) This one was all about "You have a handsome voice", "Am I your spec?", "Can we go to your room now?". It listed other publications such as SMS messages to send your lover.

I have to agree lots of talent at Cowboy now. But end of last week I spotted a cutie, and when she came down I offered to buy a drink for her. She smiled and accepted, but sat down 1 foot away. When I touched her upper arm, she was tense, staring straight ahead of her, and actually flinched. I tried chatting with her, but she was monosyllabic. After about a minute she ran away to the toilet. I do have sympathy with her, but after I slowly finished my drink alone, I asked that her drink be taken off my bill, and management did not object.

A few doors down, Afterskool was busy. Naughty boys corner had two fat guys with about 4 tiny ladies, only two of whom were visible above the bar counter at any one time.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Are most German & Netherlands men and women blonde haired?

I prefer blonde or red hair, but in Canada most women do not have that.

In Thailand that is even more the case, yet I still find it easy to find ladies to my liking in that regard.

Eye colour is relatively a non issue for me. As a caucasian with blue eyes, I cum from a cuntry where blue is probably not the most common colour.

IMO Asian women have as beautiful eyes as any others in the world. But, then, the Canuck city I live in is nicknamed Hongcouver.

Skin colour was not mentioned, so I will not comment on that.[/QUOTE]My God. What are you on about. I think after writing this report. Um. POS. Never ever comment on other people's report and say they are bad. BTW. Blue eyes are all about genetics. To have blue eyes both parents have to have blue eyes. It is a recessive gene that gives you blue eyes not your country.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Are most German & Netherlands men and women blonde haired?

I prefer blonde or red hair, but in Canada most women do not have that.

In Thailand that is even more the case, yet I still find it easy to find ladies to my liking in that regard.

Eye colour is relatively a non issue for me. As a caucasian with blue eyes, I cum from a cuntry where blue is probably not the most common colour.

IMO Asian women have as beautiful eyes as any others in the world. But, then, the Canuck city I live in is nicknamed Hongcouver.

Skin colour was not mentioned, so I will not comment on that.[/QUOTE]

Hockey, beer, and girls, eh?

[QUOTE=Andy Abs] To have blue eyes both parents have to have blue eyes. It is a recessive gene that gives you blue eyes not your country.[/QUOTE]
Total bunk! I have blue eyes, my mother has brown.

In Soi Cowboy saw some girls that looked very young to me. They said they didn't have ID cards and couldn't go to hotel--I wasn't about to take them, I was testing them. They claimed they were 17 but I'd have guessed 15. What's the deal? I think there were 2 of them both working at the same joint, one fairly close to the 'Nana Plaza end' of SC, on the right hand side as you walk away from NP end towards the Baccara end of SC. One of them had pretty big tits for a thai girl, or anyway her bra was pushing them up pretty good.

They were both a bit young for my tastes, but I was wondering what the danger is if you boom boom them at their bar. Anyone know what's up with these sorts of girls?

Is a place called J 1 (a kind of a slip and slide joint) still there in Bangkok? I was there 5 years ago and plan on going to BKK soon. The place was huge with a resturant on the left as you walked in and a fishbowl full of girls on the right. At least 4 stories high.there used to be a j2 for japanese but never saw it.

Thanks for any info!

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Total bunk! I have blue eyes, my mother has brown.[/QUOTE]I am sorry. Should have said it is uncommon. Or it used to be thought so. But I will admit I have just read the latest research and it appears I am wrong! But hey ho. Who gives a fuck. I am a big man and admit I talk bollocks. Haha

[quote=beagleface]they were both a bit young for my tastes, but i was wondering what the danger is if you boom boom them at their bar. anyone know what's up with these sorts of girls?[/quote]

i am not sure about **** girls working as sc bars because there is a minimum age of 19 to work there (and 21 for girls to enter these bars).

i can say this though: it's not worth it. if you have a doubt, then walk away.

eye genetics - A=brown B=blue four color possibilities (1 gene from each)

mother has AB father has AB - kids can have AA AB BA BB
if AA mom and BB pop - kids are BROWN AB AB AB AB

anything with an A is BROWN.

blue eyed parents have blue eyed kids (BB + BB = BB BB BB BB. :)

[quote=nicfrenchy]i am not sure about **** girls working as sc bars because there is a minimum age of 19 to work there (and 21 for girls to enter these bars).

i can say this though: it's not worth it. if you have a doubt, then walk away.[/quote]

i known there are those policies and laws, but like usual in los not all respect that. were last year in a bar in bkk and had a girl for a lady drink. she was very pretty, sweet and sexy, just during our conversation she admit that she is 17 years old. of course i told her that i can't bf her then. the mamasan came over and tried to convince me that it's not a big deal. the girl will be 18 years in a few weeks and that other bars have 15 years old girls. so, it's always better to check the id in advance.

[QUOTE=DG69]I known there are those policies and laws, but like usual in LOS not all respect that. Were last year in a bar in BKK and had a girl for a lady drink. She was very pretty, sweet and sexy, just during our conversation she admit that she is 17 years old. Of course I told her that I can't bf her then. The Mamasan came over and tried to convince me that it's not a big deal. The girl will be 18 years in a few weeks and that other bars have 15 years old girls. So, it's always better to check the ID in advance.[/QUOTE]

I fully agree. Laws are not enforced... until one day they are. If you are caught that day, you are fucked.

In the case above, the mamasan will push you because she knows that when the shit will hit the fan (if it does) you will be the one with your face in the newspapers or in trouble, not her.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]

Some girls pussies are a bit too tight for me, but less likely with "mothers" ;) LOL[/QUOTE]

Is there such a thing as 'too tight'? lol

[QUOTE=Dinghy]eye genetics - A=brown B=blue four color possibilities (1 gene from each)

mother has AB father has AB - kids can have AA AB BA BB
if AA mom and BB pop - kids are BROWN AB AB AB AB

anything with an A is BROWN.

blue eyed parents have blue eyed kids (BB + BB = BB BB BB BB. :)[/QUOTE]

[url]http://museum.thetech.org/ugenetics/eyeCalc/eyecalculator.html[/url]

this is a good tool to calculate the probability of eye color

[quote=dg69]i known there are those policies and laws, but like usual in los not all respect that. were last year in a bar in bkk and had a girl for a lady drink. she was very pretty, sweet and sexy, just during our conversation she admit that she is 17 years old. of course i told her that i can't bf her then. the mamasan came over and tried to convince me that it's not a big deal. the girl will be 18 years in a few weeks and that other bars have 15 years old girls. so, it's always better to check the id in advance.[/quote]a simple rule of thumb, "if you think she is ****, she probably is".

anyone having sex with a girl of under 18 years of age can be blackmailed by even the girl themselves as she can, and is entitled to, under thai law "regret the act later and seek retribution from the older person". this was clarified in a 1997 ammendment to the penal code (not the penile code).

anything under 18 is a massive no no no.

I'm quite interested in the G-club idea (member clubs). I realize they are not for everyone, especially many tourists, but I travel to Bangkok enough and it sounds like my kind of thing.

So, for any experts out there, two questions:

1. Does a membership allow you to bring friends with you (i.e. on your membership)?

2. What's the best one for farang?

Any other tips on this subject would also be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

-B-

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]...
So, for any experts out there, two questions:

1. Does a membership allow you to bring friends with you (i.e. on your membership)?

2. What's the best one for farang?
...
[/QUOTE]Bonzo1,

1) My membership (:)) would allow me to bring friends with me.

2) Pegasus Club


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Bonzo1,

1) My membership (:)) would allow me to bring friends with me.

2) Pegasus Club


Giotto[/QUOTE]


Thanks Giotto so much for your quick reply (and your many contributions here). For clarity:

- so if I buy the 20,000 baht (?) membership, my friends can drink my "free" drinks, get girls on my tab, etc?

- I meant to also ask about the Pent, Sopranos, and the Ritz. Read (and in once case heard) a lot of good things about them. Are they on the same par as Pegasus?

Thanks again!!

-B-

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Saw a different one today :-) This one was all about "You have a handsome voice", "Am I your spec?", "Can we go to your room now?". It listed other publications such as SMS messages to send your lover.

I have to agree lots of talent at Cowboy now. But end of last week I spotted a cutie, and when she came down I offered to buy a drink for her. She smiled and accepted, but sat down 1 foot away. When I touched her upper arm, she was tense, staring straight ahead of her, and actually flinched. I tried chatting with her, but she was monosyllabic. After about a minute she ran away to the toilet. I do have sympathy with her, but after I slowly finished my drink alone, I asked that her drink be taken off my bill, and management did not object.

A few doors down, Afterskool was busy. Naughty boys corner had two fat guys with about 4 tiny ladies, only two of whom were visible above the bar counter at any one time.[/QUOTE]That's tough! Not just is the girl nervous but her source of income taken away as well - what did it cost 150THB?

[QUOTE=German42]Hello Guys,

Does any of you have tried to touch and rub the G-Spot of any Thai woman and have you had experiences like wet Orgasm, squirting out, flowing out cum? I have been to Thailand and Bangkok before but never made such an experience with the girls.[/QUOTE]Oh Yea. They squirt, and beyond any words. Yesterday the girl squirted probably about 30 times, from small gushes to big fountains. The bed was so soaked I had to sleep on the couch. She was the biggest squirter I've been with so far. She works at Soi Cowboy, I stayed with her 4 nights in total, she squirted 2 times on the first night already and told me it was a new experience for her. She sent me a big bouquet of flowers to my hotel room this morning.

It's just my 2nd girl in Thailand, the first one was a bore. So this is not a general observation.

[quote=easy2007]anyone having sex with a girl of under 18 years of age can be blackmailed by even the girl themselves as she can, and is entitled to, under thai law "regret the act later and seek retribution from the older person". this was clarified in a 1997 ammendment to the penal code (not the penile code).

anything under 18 is a massive no no no.[/quote]i am reminded of a blackmailing scam in the phillipines i read about, where, after the girl or girls entered your room they would claim they are **** and demand money, or else.

[quote=easy2007]a simple rule of thumb, "if you think she is ****, she probably is".[/quote]with women in my home cuntry of canada, at least the caucasian non asians, i can gauge their age quite well. though with tgs i find this difficult as they often look much younger than they are. on several occasians when i was in doubt if a tg was 18, the id card showed them to be 22, 23, 25, or 27.

checking their id card, if they have one, is important if one has any doubts. but even then there is the risk that it is fake. if the picture on the id is not absolutely the same girl, or they don't have an id card, then i would suggest you just say no. or at least demand an alternate id to corroborate the name and or photo, birth date, etc.

btw, on my last trip a couple ladies showed me a type of id card i had not seen before, that had both english western and thai info. such as the year was given in both forms. previously i had seen strictly the thai only cards. if anyone cums across these they can calculate the year of the tgs birth by knowing that 2009 ad equals thai year 2552.

[quote=nicfrenchy]i fully agree. laws are not enforced... until one day they are. if you are caught that day, you are fucked.

in the case above, the mamasan will push you because she knows that when the shit will hit the fan (if it does) you will be the one with your face in the newspapers or in trouble, not her.[/quote]


have you ever seen a guy in the papers charged with having sex with an **** teenage girl?

seventeen isn't even illegal except for p4p. you might have to grease a paw or two, but it's not something they could really make an example of you for.

[quote=easy2007]a simple rule of thumb, "if you think she is ****, she probably is".

anyone having sex with a girl of under 18 years of age can be blackmailed by even the girl themselves as she can, and is entitled to, under thai law "regret the act later and seek retribution from the older person". this was clarified in a 1997 ammendment to the penal code (not the penile code).

anything under 18 is a massive no no no.[/quote]

well she's not going to work as a go-go dancer long if she pulls that kind of stunt.

i suppose anything is possible, and i don't believe you should enjoy any wine before its time, but it seems to me there's a bit too much paranoia about this particular issue.

[QUOTE=Washburn]..... but it seems to me there's a bit too much paranoia about this particular issue.[/QUOTE]
You would be like to be a criminal rather than be a bit paranoid?

[quote=washburn]have you ever seen a guy in the papers charged with having sex with an **** teenage girl?

seventeen isn't even illegal except for p4p. you might have to grease a paw or two, but it's not something they could really make an example of you for.[/quote]
maybe the guy will not hit the papers on front page, so you might not seem, but maaybe his relatives will nto see his face for a while too, as he could be under detention. or kindly taken back to his home country with some written reminders for his immigration authorities on his latest stunts abroad....
so better stay out! staying out will not make someone starving as there is still plenty of more legitimate and dangerous offers.

[QUOTE=Striker34]Is there such a thing as 'too tight'? LOL[/QUOTE]Good question. I think some of our friends here think they have dicks like babies heads. And with a certain amount of stretching that's exactly what is able to comes out of them. Any well lubed pussy will manage the best of us, or our egos!

guys, there are so many women available. younger ones, older ones, pretty ones, ugly ones. you can find any type of woman you can imagine in thailand. why do you have to even think of doing something with a girl who is ****. please, have a heart. they are still too young to understand the harm they are doing to themselves by being in this business. don't encourage them. give them a chance to grow up and learn about life before they decide to work in this business. it's not even about the legal punishment. don't help destroy a young girl's life, even if she is a "willing" partner.

Very well said Phuquer. I can't imagine going after a teenager, ANY teenager, and when I read that some are interested in 17 yo, it makes me shudder. She is just out of puberty. And how experienced can a girl be when she is that age? if a man is preverse enough to want a 17 yo in his bed, his tastes in sex are probably not "lights out, mish, finished". Finding someone with a tad more experience will make things much more enjoyable, me thinks. (not to mention the damage being done to this poor girl, as Phuquer so correctly puts it.)
JMHO.

[quote=phuquer]guys, there are so many women available. younger ones, older ones, pretty ones, ugly ones. you can find any type of woman you can imagine in thailand. why do you have to even think of doing something with a girl who is ****. please, have a heart. they are still too young to understand the harm they are doing to themselves by being in this business. don't encourage them. give them a chance to grow up and learn about life before they decide to work in this business. it's not even about the legal punishment. don't help destroy a young girl's life, even if she is a "willing" partner.[/quote]try telling that to the mama at rainbow 1.

i used to take 2 girls from rainbow 1, both outstandingly, incredibly, amazingly hot. "10s". they were best friends for most of their lives and it was a real fun time, every time. one had legs to her ears, and wore these super high heels all the time, even in bed, and the other had c cup gravity defying stand up breasts that you rarely see in thailand, much less anywhere else. both had id cards saying they were 20.

we stayed in contact almost daily by email and text messages. they didn't want me to call. said they were in school all day. ok by me.

i used to take them out to dinner, go shopping (for shoes and stuff), play pool, go bowling, nightcrawl pubs, etc. never a problem one. they both loved the big monster bubble bathtub in the premier suite at the president solitaire. (lots of videos and pics too, they were showoffs)

after a little (ok, not so little) drunken spat between the two of them one night outside the bowling alley at ekamai i found out that they were both 17. not like getting ready to turn 18 either, just turned 17.

after the scene, one went home in a taxi, the other went back to my room. she blurted. turns out, one of them was living at her 18 year old 'husband's' mother's house saying she was working at a 7-11, and the other was living at her own mother's house, going to school during the daytime, and telling her mom she was working as a baby sitter at night. the fake ids were easy.

a day later, early evening, i went to the mama at rainbow 1, she said "thanks, i did not know that" like it was nothing. i didn't want to break this great thing up, but i was blown away that they were both just out of the box from 16. emailed both of them that i could not do it any more. they wrote and texted back for a couple of weeks, i regretted just put it on ignore, but my sensibilities had been sufficiently shaken to end it.

they are both still at rainbow 1. i haven't seen them since that night.

life in thailand, sometimes you just never know.

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[QUOTE=Washburn]Seventeen isn't even illegal except for P4P. You might have to grease a paw or two, but it's not something they could really make an example of you for.[/QUOTE]

Really? on which planet is 17 not illegal?
I am not talking about age of consent between 2 minors.
If you are an Adult (over 18) you can't fuck girls under 18, P4P or not.

But hey, don't take my word for it, you seem to be an expert so why don't you prove me wrong? try it and get caught, we'll see if your mug makes it in the papers or not.

Have not been here for about 5 months.

Arrived from Shanghai (will try to post an update in the SH forum) at 9:00, and was out of the airport in no time. Went up to the departures to catch a taxi, but they have put up a fence along the drop off, so it is not easy to hop in a taxi that is dropping people off to save the 50 baht. Messaged Oil at Tulip but she was already out for the night, said to call her tomorrow. Called another girl I met before. Her sister and mother came to visit her for a week. Bad timing. Bad way to start.

Staying at the Landmark, so dropped into the Huntsman about 10: 45. 6-7 WG's but not to my liking. Stopped over at Tequila bar to have a beer. The owner says his business is off 60% from last year. (but he said he is still making money. Last year was a banner year). Bars now stay open late with no police hassles. Walked through Nana Plaza, and poked my head into t few clubs. Not too busy, and the ones I looked at, did not have many girls on the stage. Not too many girls hanging out in the parking lot, but it was early. Bumped into three nicely dressed girls walking across the street. And we chatted. But parted ways. Then I ran into them on Soi 7 in a bar again. But did not pursue anything. At this point, I was tired, and decided I would sleep alone.

Back over to Soi 3 and into Hillary's and had a beer, and decided to call it a night. Walking along infront of me on my way home I detected a girl with a great body. Nice blackdress. As I passed her, she had a cute face to match, and a gorgeous rack (for a small girl). Said Hi, and she asked where you going? I said home, and of course came the "I come with you? " which I replied, how much, and she said 1500 LT if you want, and I agreed. She seemed sweet, and my type, so I did not haggle.

Turns out she is from Laos, and just arrive on Sunday. Just waling the streets. Speaks very good English. Was a hair dresser back home, and too little money, so she thought she would give this a try. Had no luck yesterday, and when I saw her, she was about to go home. She is not to outgoing.

Had a great time, going 2 rounds, then one more in the morning. I got her number, and plan to call her again while I am here. Did not get pictures, hope to do so next time. (Did I say she had a great rack? Nice and firm, with petite nipples. She does not need to nor wear a bra. And she loves them sucked.).

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[QUOTE=Bonzo1]...
- so if I buy the 20,000 baht (?) membership, my friends can drink my "free" drinks, get girls on my tab, etc?

- I meant to also ask about the Pent, Sopranos, and the Ritz. Read (and in once case heard) a lot of good things about them. Are they on the same par as Pegasus?
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[/QUOTE]Bonzo1,

When I last time purchased a membership it was THB 30,000.00 .

Your friends can drink free from your bottles. I don't know whether mixers are charged or not.

The girls drinks/times will be charged to your bill automatically.

No idea about the other places ...


Giotto

[quote=nicfrenchy]really? on which planet is 17 not illegal?

i am not talking about age of consent between 2 minors.

if you are an adult (over 18) you can't fuck girls under 18, p4p or not.

but hey, don't take my word for it, you seem to be an expert so why don't you prove me wrong? try it and get caught, we'll see if your mug makes it in the papers or not.[/quote]wrong,

the age of consent in thailand is officially 15 years old.

however, a later law was put into place that makes it illegal for anyone under the age of 18 years (male or female or in between) to be involved in p4p.

if you meet any girl in bar, disco, entertainment place you have no chance and its deemed p4p whether it is or not in the eyes of the law for an under 18.

whilst technically if you met a girl in a shop for example, got to know her and had sex with her, and she was over 15, you have not broken the law, however "society" will look down on you and trump up some other charges of abuse or gbh or whatever. this happened recently in the case of a famous thai singer who was accused of having sex with a 15 year old. he could not be charged with being a paedaphile, as 15 years old is the age of consent in thailand, he got done on other things.

quite simply, if you even think you can use the law of age of consent being 15 you are a troubled person and you will be done over.

the 1997 law change effectively allows any person under 18, who has sex with another to "regret their action" and therefore allows the older person to be taken to court for having sex with an **** person who regretted it, or the family of the person could, without the agreement of the person, take the older person to court for having sex with their under 18.

so the official age of consent is 15, but the actual defacto age is 18.

stick firmly to the 18 or over p4p law, and you will have a happy life.

the trouble is, nowadays there are a lot of 16 and 17 year old grls in bars and disco's who want to have sex and also want to try farang "pork sword".

places like rca etc. which are not p4p but are entertainment places, but leave them alone. its is highly dangerous, if not technically illegal and you are allowing yourself to be put into a very dangerous situation where you can be blackmailed, jailed, even "snuffed out" by the family of the girl.

anything under 18, regardless of situation. is a big no no no.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Really? on which planet is 17 not illegal?
I am not talking about age of consent between 2 minors.
If you are an Adult (over 18) you can't fuck girls under 18, P4P or not.

But hey, don't take my word for it, you seem to be an expert so why don't you prove me wrong? try it and get caught, we'll see if your mug makes it in the papers or not.[/QUOTE]
well said
not to mention that from a legal point of view is not only the legal age in the mongering country that counts, but also the one set by the lawmakers in the "your" own country.
So in the event that a couuntry sets 16 as a legal age (and then one has to go in the details of what that consents, another story) but "your" country set 18 or 20 or 21 for what this is worth as an example, then you will be subject to take care the girls you banging are not below 18 or 20 or 21....
This happens in many western countries to hit back some other countries too much tolerating or which habits are different (and often based on their orwn culture for their own nationals)

[quote=washburn]have you ever seen a guy in the papers charged with having sex with an **** teenage girl?

[/quote]
yes, but it's very rare. most of the time you read about guys getting caught with boys not girls.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I fully agree. Laws are not enforced... until one day they are. If you are caught that day, you are fucked.

In the case above, the mamasan will push you because she knows that when the shit will hit the fan (if it does) you will be the one with your face in the newspapers or in trouble, not her.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I were aware of that and so, I didn't bf her. In general I prefer voluptious woman, so even skinny below 40kg Thai girls are not that what I like. The 17 years old girl in that bar was quite curvy, but still it's not worth to take a risk and if I would have had her, she would be just another Thai girl on the long list of Thai girls I had. So, she will remain longer in my memory, as an unfulfilled dream.
Btw, in the most European countries it's similar like in Thailand. Age of consent for p4p is 18, but for not p4p relationships is lower. In Germany for example it's 14 year for people under 18 and 16 if one of the partner is older than 18.

[quote=phuquer]guys, there are so many women available. younger ones, older ones, pretty ones, ugly ones. you can find any type of woman you can imagine in thailand. why do you have to even think of doing something with a girl who is ****. please, have a heart. they are still too young to understand the harm they are doing to themselves by being in this business. don't encourage them. give them a chance to grow up and learn about life before they decide to work in this business. it's not even about the legal punishment. don't help destroy a young girl's life, even if she is a "willing" partner.[/quote]

well put, i've had mamasans try to push girls as young as 15 on me and my reply is always the same 'let children have a childhood'.

[quote=phuquer]guys, there are so many women available. younger ones, older ones, pretty ones, ugly ones. you can find any type of woman you can imagine in thailand. why do you have to even think of doing something with a girl who is ****. please, have a heart. they are still too young to understand the harm they are doing to themselves by being in this business. don't encourage them. give them a chance to grow up and learn about life before they decide to work in this business. it's not even about the legal punishment. don't help destroy a young girl's life, even if she is a "willing" partner.[/quote]
is it only over 18s that are allowed to destroy their life?
i am not brainwashed enough to agree with this moralistic crap. girls reach puberty well before the age of 18 and no amount of telling them not to do what adults do is going to work. most girls have had sex well before 18. its not destroying their lifes. young girls are allowed to have sex. they should not however be allowed to marry. that it what they are far too young for.

actually saying that they are not permitted to work to sell their bodies is a form of discrimination against them and potentially forcing them to be involved in "crime". so i don't see the issue of **** girls working as a cut and dried issue. they could easily need money for medical treatment for them selves or perhaps a mother and sex might be the only way they can get it.

many will end up pregnant because being on the pill is frowned upon. young girls be taught everything about sex and then leave it up to them if they want to do it or not, but hopefully safely if taught properly.

its actually mostly old people who don't understand.

the reason you stay away from girls **** is simply because its not legal! forget all the "moralistic" stuff.

i do not have any preference for young girls and even stay away from nataree prefering older and more experienced girls.

I had a blog going during my travels 2 years ago in Thailand for my mates, and one suggested I post them here, so I decided to do just that. Hope you enjoy.

Day 1. Bangkok

Arrived in Bangkok, out with Hunter to visit some bars. Off to a good start, barmaid purrs 'I laaaaiiyk yoouououou' Something I’m soon to learn happens a lot. Still she's afaw sexy. Body like a champion whippet! Anyway, we moseyed on to the next place, but to be honest, after a long long flight and a lot of beer, my head was swimming. Still, didn’t stop me and Hunter picking up something with the full intention of being spit roasted. 'Aye shy. I no do before. ' Unfortunately by the time I got home, I was more pickled than the Norwegian Herring and had to pass. Still there's always tomorrow.

Day 2. Phuket

An ominous day Friday the 13th, considering we were now in Pattaya and only 100m from the beach where thousands perished. In fact our hotel was built on the site of one washed away. Good news as it is Thai New Year, which means water festival, which means tons on hunnies on the streets soaked to the skin, brown tight bodies wrapped in soaked cotton. Beads of moisture glistening on their cocoa brown skin. Breasts heaving with the excitement of the night, nipples hard with the chill of iced water poured over their writhing bodies. Town was pumping, checked out a few go-go bars, then ended up in a disco, checking out the stage dancers. Bumped into the cutest little hunny you have ever seen. Short, curly hair, deep tan, perfectly formed breasts poking holes in her skin tight cotton dress. Smile to die for. Her name was Fern. We were writhing on the dance floor, body to body, and you know when they dance like that, you know what they’re gonna do to you later. Up the road and she’s suffering from Thai Shy. Suddenly very coy, enough to be sexy! So she takes me to the bathroom and soaps me up in the shower, I return the favour, then shes on her knees give ma bobby the going of a life time, tongue exploring the balls, all the time fixing me the a gaze that says all the wants it to be f*cked good a proper. So she’s gagging for it by now, but she’s not getting it yet, not till she begs. So she’s on the bed now, finger f*cking herself, but I won't, not yet ‘Im haaaarny, prease f*ck me. Prease. ’ But not yet, no no no, not yet. Before she gets the bobby she’s got to beg for it. So I spread here legs and proceed to flick her little bean till it pops out like a boiled prawn. Now she’s begging for it. ‘PREASE SAI, FAAAACK ME PREASE’ So that’s it, its rubbers on a I'm three thrusts in and her legs are shaking like a shitting dog. They say its not over till the fat lady sings, well when this LBFM (little brown f*cking machine) screams, I'm still not done. No problem, just lie back and let her ride herself into her next cum, then sit back and let her finish you off in her pretty little mouth. I have to say, the first one is always the best.

That is until the next one!

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Day 3 – Phuket

Day three starts like any other, cute little honey curled up against you more than willing to give you a nice sloppy blow job for breakfast. Nice! Off to beach, but Hunter’s not enjoying the heat, so I left him to shop for razor blades! , and went out for an adventure which ended up with me in the massage parlour. To say it was seedy would be an understatement. Imaging a mattress on a floor, separated by curtains, and listening to a bunch of other pervs getting their rocks off. That included a British couple, who were getting turns about with some little Thai hunny. I shot my load twice and got her to lick my ring piece while listening to a British woman getting her patssy licked. Back to the hotel and its another night out. This time we’re back in a go-go bar. Hunter has fallen in love with a barmaid round the corner but I still manage to drag him away. One go-go bar has this Indian / arab looking, half black and half asian kinda thing going on. Deep round eyes, large breasts, nipples like saucers. So I leave Hunter cooing with the barmaid and get down to some serious anal loving with the little honey. After a thorough noshing and a bit of patssy licking, I gob a big greener in her dock and rub it in just to yet it ready. She’s a bit reluctant at first, but she gets into it while I get the loosened up with my finger. ‘SROWRY. PREASE! You can f*ck ass but must do srowry! ’ So I gob it again and then make her stand in front of the mirror so I can watch her face, which quickly moves from concern, to surprise, to sucking her pain through gritted teeth. Then she starts loosening up and I start pumping it a bit faster. The face changes and she reached down to rub herself, then her eyes are open enough to catch mine in the mirror, so she gets it all the way to the hilt on one swift move. Head down and she’s pushing back like a sheep on a cliff top and I can't hold it a second longer, pull it out and get her to kneel down so I can shoot it in her mouth, which she accepts, to the last drop. Then she gets up and shes looking at me with those deep doe eyes, lips slowly parting as her hands curl round my neck. ‘If you think you're getting a kiss after that you can forget it! She takes it well though, they all do. Anyway, we head back to meet with Hunter, who is still cooing. And has been telling all the girls at the bar of my exploits that day, and so the demon who is to become known as Short Time Sai is born. So I'm waiting for Hunts at the same bar again, bored to tears, so I tell him I'm off out for another midnight adventure. Round the corner I find a sleezy go go bar and the next victim sits next to me and massages my c0ck through her shorts. I'm bursting for it again, so I take her upstairs, and this place is mega sleazy. The back room doesn’t even have a mattress, only bamboo matt floor. I realize it must be where they sleep as there’s mats rolled up in the corners. Anyway, I get her to suck me off before f*cking her on all fours. I have to say its impossible to concentrate, so I fantasize about shooting my load on Ferns luvvlie jubblies and boom! Next thing I’m back to the bar, and I get a short round of applause when I walk in with a smirk that you can only get from having one kind of good time. Hunts it finally getting bored with his cooing, so off we went to another club, and who’s there, but Fern! That little hunney from last night. No wasting any time, its back to the hotel and a repeat of last night. So count that. Four girls on 24 hours, one little Thai honey, one arab looking babe, once gogo **** and one massage girl. I had my dock licked, my knob sucked, I pumped a babe’s ass and shot my joose 6 times

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@Soap Fan and Phuquer,
I am not an expert about the topic if teenager should have sex or not. I had sex with 15 years and my girlfriend was 14 years old. That is legal and in Germany and other European countries quite normal. My girlfriend got the pill and there were no problem, or psychical damage.
It's something different if a teenage girl works as prostitute. In the most cases, except in Japan, they get forced or at least constrained to do that. That is the reason why there are those laws to protect minors.
I fully understand and respect that attempt. Just it's also not right to forbid teenager to have sex, it's nothing bad as long as it is their own wish.
Prostitution can be a mental problem for somebody above or below 18.

[QUOTE=Mark17] Walking along infront of me on my way home I detected a girl with a great body. Nice blackdress. As I passed her, she had a cute face to match, and a gorgeous rack (for a small girl). Said Hi, and she asked where you going? I said home, and of course came the "I come with you? " which I replied, how much, and she said 1500 LT if you want, and I agreed. She seemed sweet, and my type, so I did not haggle.[/QUOTE]I would really, really appreciate it if you would give me her number. She sounds like quite a catch.

[QUOTE=Mark17]Back over to Soi 3 and into Hillary's and had a beer, and decided to call it a night. Walking along infront of me on my way home I detected a girl with a great body. Nice blackdress. As I passed her, she had a cute face to match, and a gorgeous rack (for a small girl). Said Hi, and she asked where you going? I said home, and of course came the "I come with you? " which I replied, how much, and she said 1500 LT if you want, and I agreed. She seemed sweet, and my type, so I did not haggle.[/QUOTE]I would really appreciate it if you would forward me her number. [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue].

She sounds like a catch, and i am still very much a newbie. So having a good girl to call when I arrive om tuesday, would be really nice.

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[QUOTE=Mark17]Back over to Soi 3 and into Hillary's and had a beer, and decided to call it a night. Walking along infront of me on my way home I detected a girl with a great body. Nice blackdress. As I passed her, she had a cute face to match, and a gorgeous rack (for a small girl). Said Hi, and she asked where you going? I said home, and of course came the "I come with you? " which I replied, how much, and she said 1500 LT if you want, and I agreed. She seemed sweet, and my type, so I did not haggle.[/QUOTE]Girl sounds nice. Do you have a name, a bar, or could you share the number possibly?

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]...They could easily need money for medical treatment for them selves or perhaps a mother and sex might be the only way they can get it...[/QUOTE]
Not the ONLY way to get the money. The EASY way to get the money. When young girls learn that it is easier to spread their legs than to get a job whenever they want that new LV bag, or Prada shoes, or whatever, they become ruined. They don't know the value of money. They don't get a chance to fall in love. Fucking her boyfriend, gik, or whatever, is not the same as fucking with one of us. Let's face it, some of us are wierdos. As the paying customer, some of us feel we have a right to do things to these girls that no sane person would do. The first time one of us tries to stick a fist up one of these young girl's ass, her life is really destroyed. She will NEVER look at men the same. The older girls have at least had a chance to date, to fall in love, and then to work in the business and they can differentiate between a real relationship and business. Maybe it is moralistic crap on my part, but that is the way I see it. Where I am from prostitution is illegal, young or old. The only difference between young or old in my eyes are these morals. I hope someone who is considering these younger girls either sees it my way, or your way, and decides not to do it. And, FYI, they have younger AND older girls in Nataree. The place might not be your cup of tea, but I was lucky and had a good experience.

[QUOTE=DG69]@Soap Fan and Phuquer,
I am not an expert about the topic if teenager should have sex or not. I had sex with 15 years and my girlfriend was 14 years old. That is legal and in Germany and other European countries quite normal. My girlfriend got the pill and there were no problem, or psychical damage.
It's something different if a teenage girl works as prostitute. In the most cases, except in Japan, they get forced or at least constrained to do that. That is the reason why there are those laws to protect minors.
I fully understand and respect that attempt. Just it's also not right to forbid teenager to have sex, it's nothing bad as long as it is their own wish.
Prostitution can be a mental problem for somebody above or below 18.[/QUOTE]
I have no problems at all with teens having sex. As a matter of fact, I support sex education in the schools. But I do have a problem with older men taking advantage of children. That is what I have an issue with. And 18 years old is not what I am talking about . I am talking about 14 and 15 year old girls that some of these guys are looking for. It's not so much of a problem when you are 15 and having sex with a 14 year old (as long as you use protection). But these are grown, sometimes very old men. And they don't want to just have sex with these girls, they want to extreme things with these girls. There is no consent because some of these young girls don't even have a clue what the customers want to do to them. That's what I have issues with. I agree 100% with you that PROSTITUTION can be a mental problem for somebody above or below 18. But I think it is even more of a problem with the under 18 set.

Guys,

Can we please try and write Reviews and posts in a proper way?

with Paragraphs, punctuation? it seems lately that posters just write their posts without paying attention. It is very difficult to read and looks like a BIG turd in the middle of the page.

Thank you in advance for making it easy for us to read your posts/reports.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Guys,

Can we please try and write Reviews and posts in a proper way?

With Paragraphs, punctuation? It seems lately that posters just write their posts without paying attention. It is very difficult to read and looks like a BIG turd in the middle of the page.

Thank you in advance for making it easy for us to read your posts/reports.[/QUOTE]Dear Nic, I f. E. Posted my first times the last days (in other threads). Really taking care of "punctuation", but somehow.when my texts appeared in the forum- commas were changed to points etc. I assume that there is a formatting problem. Jackson: might you check this, please?

Thanks

[quote=phuquer] let's face it, some of us are wierdos. as the paying customer, some of us feel we have a right to do things to these girls that no sane person would do. the first time one of us tries to stick a fist up one of these young girl's ass, her life is really destroyed. [/quote]
that's stretching it a bit. its hard for me to think of things that weird as i am very plain. if a girl, is used to normal sex, then a weirdo request is not going to destroy her outlook too easily. however we are all aware of mental scarring for girls forced into sex via [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], etc. however if youngsters were taught about sex properly, i wonder if the mental scarring could not be reduced. not that i agree with anything by force, but we must realise [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] do happen (a very significant percenatge of girls), and would wish that girls would not be too traumatised.

[quote=phuquer] she will never look at men the same. the older girls have at least had a chance to date, to fall in love, and then to work in the business and they can differentiate between a real relationship and business. [/quote]
sex should be considered as something different from love and relationships. its long been used as prime technique for manipulating men. ;)

[quote=phuquer]
maybe it is moralistic crap on my part, but that is the way i see it. where i am from prostitution is illegal, young or old. the only difference between young or old in my eyes are these morals.
[/quote]
making prostitution illegal is one of the silliest things that tries to defy human nature.

[quote=phuquer]
i hope someone who is considering these younger girls either sees it my way, or your way, and decides not to do it. and, fyi, they have younger and older girls in nataree. the place might not be your cup of tea, but i was lucky and had a good experience.[/quote]
people that are mentally warped that want to have sex with children, very young ones, are not influenced by "morals" at all. its the law that is needed to stop them.
while nataree is not my favourite, i do recommend it to many people due to many pretty girls to choose from.
its just the best lookers are usually too young and inexperienced for me.

nataree and catherine were shops reported to have **** girls. an added reason to be careful their.

suppose i found out that a superstar at tulip that i had been doing was actually only 17 (hypothetical). am i immoral? no, but its illegal! simple as that!

[QUOTE=DG69]@Soap Fan and Phuquer,
I am not an expert about the topic if teenager should have sex or not. I had sex with 15 years and my girlfriend was 14 years old. That is legal and in Germany and other European countries quite normal. My girlfriend got the pill and there were no problem, or psychical damage.
It's something different if a teenage girl works as prostitute. In the most cases, except in Japan, they get forced or at least constrained to do that. That is the reason why there are those laws to protect minors.
I fully understand and respect that attempt. Just it's also not right to forbid teenager to have sex, it's nothing bad as long as it is their own wish.
Prostitution can be a mental problem for somebody above or below 18.[/QUOTE]
Well said!
Forced sex workers should obviously be illegal.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Making prostitution illegal is one of the silliest things that tries to defy human nature.[/QUOTE]

You have religion to thank for that

[QUOTE=Phuquer]Not the ONLY way to get the money. The EASY way to get the money. When young girls learn that it is easier to spread their legs than to get a job whenever they want that new LV bag, or Prada shoes, or whatever, they become ruined. [/QUOTE]
Another very moralistic view, wasted on a forum about where to get sex.
We all work the most well paid jobs that we can get and that are not too illegal. The Tulip girl used to work a good regular job, but simply not enough money!

I seriously questioned such "morals" when I was young, and dumped a lot of them as religiously influenced bull!

[quote=soap fan]
the reason you stay away from girls **** is simply because its not legal! forget all the "moralistic" stuff.

[/quote]
well said! next topic?

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Another very moralistic view, wasted on a forum about where to get sex.

We all work the most well paid jobs that we can get and that are not too illegal. The Tulip girl used to work a good regular job, but simply not enough money!

I seriously questioned such "morals" when I was young, and dumped a lot of them as religiously influenced bull![/QUOTE]When my parents died young I was determined to just "live" and not wait for retirement indeed not wait for anything as if genetics is any sort of science I wont have long myself!

[QUOTE=Washburn]Seventeen isn't even illegal except for P4P. You might have to grease a paw or two, but it's not something they could really make an example of you for.[/QUOTE]

Here we go, again. It is unlawful for a U.S. citizen or a U.S. resident to have sexual contact with anyone under 18 while outside the U.S., unless lawfully married to the individual in a marriage recognized by U.S. law. Period. It does not matter what local law provides. The Thai government and police are well aware of this, and consider it a U.S. matter.

[QUOTE=Professor 1]Here we go, again. It is unlawful for a U.S. citizen or a U.S. resident to have sexual contact with anyone under 18 while outside the U.S., unless lawfully married to the individual in a marriage recognized by U.S. law. Period. It does not matter what local law provides. The Thai government and police are well aware of this, and consider it a U.S. matter.[/QUOTE]

Not to put too fine a point on this.....however it may have escaped the attention of those enjoying the debate, there are many members who are not US Citizens and therefore do not give a damn about US Law attempting to extend itself beyond its borders.

For many of us, wherever we are, the 'Law of the Land' applies and with regard to the age of the participents, provided we abide by same, we should have no problems.

The fact that we are breaking the law by engaging in acts related to prostitution doesnt seem to bother most mongers either.

Furthermore I am intrigued by those who seem to think that there is a seperate 'age related' law for P4P in Thailand - Basically, as in many countries, Prostitution is illegal, regardless of age etc.
The 'legal age of sexual consent' applies, regardless of whether you are paying for it or not.

Here is one of the most comprehensive sites regarding 'age of consent' around the world. Note it also covers M/M and F/F for the Ladyboy Lovers and fans of Lino Licking amongst us.

[url]http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm[/url]

By the way, I do not live in Spain, however I know a man that does :)

Cheers, FF

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According to the avert list, the AoC is 16 for traveling US citizens, anyway. It seems to be a knee jerk reaction that the moment a girl reaches 18, she is no longer a child and therefore fuckable. But I have met 20 year old with the emotional devlopment of a 10 year old and known 15 year old (not biblically;)) who acted like 25 year olds. How do you quantify emotional development and the point where a child becomes a woman. Its impossible.

When in a Chinese BBS last year I was offered a big fronted, cute little honey who looked 20 but the mamasan said was only 16. I refused of course, but looking at your list seems to indicate it would have been OK. Still would not have risked it though and I would have felt morally uncomfortable with a girl so young.

Anyone care to provide a short list of a few top coyote bars in BKK and Pattaya, like in this video (or similar, bars with cool and sexy stage shows)?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKMNUNoaBqM&playnext_from=PL&feature=PlayList&p=8C29186C99E6A5BA&playnext=1&index=7[/url]

Also, is it possible to pick up the dancers, or do they avoid farang or P4P? Any tips on how to do that?

Sorry for the rather lame posts/questions of late - I can't use the search function via my proxy service in China, so I have to rely on help from friendly member for this trip.

Thanks!

-B-

That was a crappy video reference (don't wanna bum anyone out here).

Here are a couple much better ones:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHNJlvHoSds&feature=related[/url]

(is this a club called Super Coyote? Any rec's about it?)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lup4WAcCMgs&feature=related[/url]

(This looks like it is called Hollywood. Is that in BKK or Pattaya? Any rec's?)

Thanks again!

-B-

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[QUOTE=Gamahucher]According to the avert list, the AoC is 16 for traveling US citizens, anyway. It seems to be a knee jerk reaction that the moment a girl reaches 18, she is no longer a child and therefore fuckable. But I have met 20 year old with the emotional devlopment of a 10 year old and known 15 year old (not biblically;)) who acted like 25 year olds. How do you quantify emotional development and the point where a child becomes a woman. Its impossible.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with this part!

If a girl seems too young, find someone more mature, and also don't break the law.

I keep telling myself that I should stick to over 30s, but sometimes get caught up with hot bodied 23 YOs who seem far more emotionally mature than usual.
Maybe hardship makes some Thai P4P girls mature quicker. Above all, I try to stay away from the crazy ones.

Too many regrets from unstable crazies of the past.

Now I want easy going sensible and stable girls, but still sex maniacs.

Perhaps that is asking for a lot. LOL

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I only have been once in an upstairs bar in Patpong. I took a seat and looked around a bit. Never knew that Thai women can be so ugly. A man with his shirt open was surrounded by 5 butt-ugly girls but seemingly had a great time.

B.t.w.: no offense meant to anyone.

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[QUOTE=Jedi 1977]Girl sounds nice. Do you have a name, a bar, or could you share the number possibly? [/QUOTE]She was quite nice, and spent several days together. (went to Korat for a few days, and came back to her). She was rather hard to figure out, as she did not appear to be here to make as much money as she could in the one month she has here. Claimed she stayed in her apartment the two nights I was gone? And I even showed her a few good bars to hand out in as we were out in the evening, but she did not appear to be interested.

Told her I have several friends that come here, and if would be ok if I gave them her number. Absolutely not was the response.

So I guess it is hit and miss if you run into here like I did. During our times together in the evening, she wore three different little black dresses. (and her toe nails were painted bright green! ). I guess that is the only clues I can give. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I completely agree with this part!

If a girl seems too young, find someone more mature, and also don't break the law.

I keep telling myself that I should stick to over 30s, but sometimes get caught up with hot bodied 23 YOs who seem far more emotionally mature than usual.
Maybe hardship makes some Thai P4P girls mature quicker. Above all, I try to stay away from the crazy ones.

Too many regrets from unstable crazies of the past.

Now I want easy going sensible and stable girls, but still sex maniacs.
Perhaps that is asking for a lot. LOL[/QUOTE]I am sure all of mongerdom have been presented at one time or another with a premature package. The way you handle the situation is irrelevant. There are some guys out there right now who are probably reading these pages who would wallow in the premature wound like a pig in slop :confused:

[QUOTE=Illogic]I am sure all of mongerdom have been presented at one time or another with a premature package. [/QUOTE]I don't recall ever having a girl under 19 (to my knowledge), but its hard to remember for guys not focussed on this thing. Anyway if you don't go looking for something, you may not find it either.

Experience beats extreme youth every time, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I don't recall ever having a girl under 19 (to my knowledge), but its hard to remember for guys not focussed on this thing. Anyway if you don't go looking for something, you may not find it either.
Experience beats extreme youth every time, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Presented: Bestowed, Conferred, Given

What I meant is that all mongers especially those of the Thailand/PI venue have had a “premature" lady approach them or presented to them by “management.”

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]That was a crappy video reference (don't wanna bum anyone out here).

Here are a couple much better ones:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHNJlvHoSds&feature=related[/url]

(is this a club called Super Coyote? Any rec's about it?)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lup4WAcCMgs&feature=related[/url]

(This looks like it is called Hollywood. Is that in BKK or Pattaya? Any rec's?)

Thanks again!

-B-[/QUOTE]Hollywood Pattaya. Best of the best.

Depends on the night as far as scoring the dancers. Sometimes all it takes is a word to the waiter and B200 to get a meet. Other times it takes a bottle of Johnnie W. Black and some discrete white cash to the DJ. Then again other nights, you may need to know the guy from Chiang Mai with the beach house in Jomtien where the chicks crash every other weekend.

In any case, still, as in days of old in Thailand, you need an intro. It's just a matter of getting it.

Also, be careful what you wish for, many those dancers are loaded with silicone, not very nice looking in the daylight, and spend a lot of time (when they aren't sleeping) wrapped in towels doing emails (sponsors.)

Have fun

At some point today one of (possibly "the") greatest authorities on mongering in BKK (specialist subject MPs) went over 3000 posts.

If this forum had sound there should be a 21 something salute - pinging condoms / twanging bra straps?

Just wondering if rates for ST/LT have decreased since tourist numbers surely have had to this high season due to the global economic meltdown. I will be there in May and wonder what I will be in for when I head to Cowboy and Nana. Asking price when I was there in November '08 was 1000-2000 ST and 2000-3000 LT. Freelancers in discos usually in the 2000 LT ballpark. I know that to a degree, the pricing depends on how "hansum" they think a guy is, but most of the girls seem to be a lot more biz-like than even 5 years ago. Even a relatively fit, younger guy like me can't get a sweeter deal anymore. Although I did end up hanging for a few days with a girl from Angelwitch who was fantastic and treated me well. About 10,000 BHT for 7 days of hangin with her. Only paid one initial barfine on the first night I saw her so I guess she took care of the other day's barfines? Don't know, didn't ask. Stayed at her place a couple nights. I'd buy food and drinks in addition to her "salary" and she'd always pay the cab fare anywhere we went, which was a nice consolation prize from her to make me feel special. What the hell, I went with it. Had a blast. She was so damn cool. Still in touch with her but don't send her any money and she's never asked. A good gik to have for when I'm in town.

[QUOTE=IrishLager]Just wondering if rates for ST/LT have decreased since tourist numbers surely have had to this high season due to the global economic meltdown. I will be there in May and wonder what I will be in for when I head to Cowboy and Nana. Asking price when I was there in November '08 was 1000-2000 ST and 2000-3000 LT. Freelancers in discos usually in the 2000 LT ballpark. [/QUOTE]
Not yet! Most Thai girls will hold out as long as they can because they know they can find a sucker who can fit the bill, and there are still plenty of guys here paying for it now.

The sex industry (not tourist industry) is a bit recessionary proof. Guys may not be staying in expensive hotels now, but they are still forking out for a piece of ass.

[QUOTE=Stiffoak 571]At some point today one of (possibly "the") greatest authorities on mongering in BKK (specialist subject MPs) went over 3000 posts.

If this forum had sound there should be a 21 something salute - pinging condoms / twanging bra straps?[/QUOTE]
Thanks, but measuring raw posts doesn't mean much. Measuring informative site reports would be a better count.
Otherwise we can rack up posts with smart arse one-liners.

While I have been going to various parts of BKK for 17 years, I can't compete with those that actually live there.

[QUOTE=IrishLager]Just wondering if rates for ST/LT have decreased since tourist numbers surely have had to this high season due to the global economic meltdown. [/QUOTE]I keep meaning to mention that on my last visit in January (it seems such a long time ago...) I called in on Nana Plaza and was very surprised to see a complete absence of 'Happy Hour', or 'Cheap Beer' or 'Buy One Get One Free' offers, which I remember distinctly from my previous visits (because I'm a cheapskate where beer is concerned).

I was fairly early (looking for the Happy Hour deals), but was also surprised by the absence of customers, especially in the upper bars.

Hi,

1st I want to thanks to all the senior members for posting there experience and ofcource a big thanks to ISG for giving this forum.

I have a small query, I am getting a week off and I am bit confused where to go Bangkok or Singapore. I usually prefer high end girls not less then 8. Can any of u tell me which will be better place for out of these two and is going price for LT for girls not less then 8.

Regards

[QUOTE=IrishLager]Just wondering if rates for ST/LT have decreased since tourist numbers surely have had to this high season due to the global economic meltdown. I will be there in May and wonder what I will be in for when I head to Cowboy and Nana. Asking price when I was there in November '08 was 1000-2000 ST and 2000-3000 LT. Freelancers in discos usually in the 2000 LT ballpark. I know that to a degree, the pricing depends on how "hansum" they think a guy is, but most of the girls seem to be a lot more biz-like than even 5 years ago. Even a relatively fit, younger guy like me can't get a sweeter deal anymore. Although I did end up hanging for a few days with a girl from Angelwitch who was fantastic and treated me well. About 10,000 BHT for 7 days of hangin with her. Only paid one initial barfine on the first night I saw her so I guess she took care of the other day's barfines? Don't know, didn't ask. Stayed at her place a couple nights. I'd buy food and drinks in addition to her "salary" and she'd always pay the cab fare anywhere we went, which was a nice consolation prize from her to make me feel special. What the hell, I went with it. Had a blast. She was so damn cool. Still in touch with her but don't send her any money and she's never asked. A good gik to have for when I'm in town.[/QUOTE]BGs: Cowboy-Nana you will be quoted B2K, but will easily be bargained down to B1.5 ST. Rainbow group girls are sticking to B2k+ thanks to the Nippon see-see-see (4-4-4) dudes. (4 inches/4 minutes/4K Baht)

Freelance sandwiches from discos are B3K-5K ST-LT, and have heard very good reports lately. (2nd hand info. Personally, I have just been doing double-doubles from the teen oilies of late.)

Wow, why not just hook up with your Angelwitch honey again? That definitely sounds like the best thing going.

Was in Long Gun this weekend. I ended up taking out a girl I've been with a few times. While there I noted that there seemed to be a lot of new girls in the bar. An example was a lesbian show where both girls were really concerned about keeping a hand over their slits and where needed one would cover the other when the position required it. They also seemed to be talking quite a lot to figure out what to do next. She confirmed the influx of new talent. As opposed to Midnite, the new talent here didn't seem all that attractive. She also noted that Rawhide had reopened although it didn't appear all that open when I walked past. She said it is much nicer inside now. Maybe I'll try to check it out this weekend.

[QUOTE=Barko] (2nd hand info. Personally, I have just been doing double-doubles from the teen oilies of late.)[/QUOTE]


double doubles?

[QUOTE=Barko]BGs: Cowboy-Nana you will be quoted B2K, but will easily be bargained down to B1.5 ST. Rainbow group girls are sticking to B2k+ thanks to the Nippon see-see-see (4-4-4) dudes. (4 inches/4 minutes/4K Baht)

Freelance sandwiches from discos are B3K-5K ST-LT, and have heard very good reports lately. (2nd hand info. Personally, I have just been doing double-doubles from the teen oilies of late.)

Wow, why not just hook up with your Angelwitch honey again? That definitely sounds like the best thing going.[/QUOTE]


I plan on spending a lot of time with her again. There are one or two others I'd like to see again too (Angel Soi 26 girl, a Tilac girl), but this AW girl was so cool I could fall in love, and we all know how dangerous that can be. Haven't talked to her for about two weeks though, so she's probably in Koh Somewhere with a farang. It's cool, whatever. Girl's gotta make money.

I have a little dilemma. This girl was so great that I may take her to Phuket with me, but I used to live there and don't want the town gossip to get going. It's a small island. I have a Thai stepmother who is great- looks after my Dad and takes care of the home very well, but she's acquainted with a few of my former Thai GF's in Phuket, and Thai ladies know how to talk shit. This makes me think twice about bringing my AW girl with me. I don't want her to be uncomfortable and be subject to all that gossip bullshit. She really wants to go and I'd love to bring her along since I'm a bit tired of Bangla road and the scene in Patong anyway. Way too much time and effort spent there over the years. I'm sure a lot of you have experience in matters like this, so any advice and/or opinions would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled]Hi,

1st I want to thanks to all the senior members for posting there experience and ofcource a big thanks to ISG for giving this forum.

I have a small query, I am getting a week off and I am bit confused where to go Bangkok or Singapore. I usually prefer high end girls not less then 8. Can any of u tell me which will be better place for out of these two and is going price for LT for girls not less then 8.

Regards[/QUOTE]I think Bangkok becuz of the abundance of pussy and therefore relative ease of finding a top notch girl. Going price will depend on where you like to go to pick up a lady, such as MP, SW, bar, disco, etc.

SW's will probably be the cheapest, around 2000 Baht and up, depending on what she thinks she's worth in the present market, if she considers herself an 8, 9, or 10, etc. Maybe she thinks of herself as a 7 but you think 9 or 10, so you get her cheap?

If you are not attracted to any SWs around NEP, there are reports that the Rainbow IV bar inside the complex has many SYT.

[QUOTE=Pita123]double doubles? [/QUOTE]Los Angeles California, USA; 1948. IN-N-OUT Burger. The world's first real drive thru hamburger stand. Famous for the double-double cheeseburger, it's more popular today than ever. Google it.

Double double Bangkok.

Recipe: Two beautiful girls, two of those mini vibes they sell at Pantip, two packs of durex lightnings, a tube of Durex "Play" and ONE GUY, namely me.

Two slippery hot bodies soaping me down in the shower, no hands. Two pairs of lips in a dizzy BBBJ tag team, my tongue doing double time on each, then get the mini-vibes running, it then moves into my "in and out" of one, new condom, then in and out of the other, in and out of one, in and out of another, one or the other helping each of us as it goes. Lots of trading places, lots of imagination, lots of crazy noises, lots of giggles, and LOTS of heady cleverness goin on. With everything you can think of thrown in between. A lot of trust between the three of us too, it's magic time. (They try to get 4 pops out of me and haven't failed yet)

Sound twisted? Nah, it's about as much fun as a guy can have. I am sure that the girls have a blast too. And guess what? It's very easily available pretty much everywhere right here in BKK.

So, yeah, OK. Up a notch: I found a teen style massage place with 2 very very cute, sweet & sexy Chiang Mai sisters working there, one 28 the other 25, they almost look like twins, neither looking their age. (Typical of Chiang Mai chicks) It took a little doing, booking them one by one at the shop, then over to my place, teasing each of them into it. They live together, came to the conclusion that it would be OK to try it "just once", and now, they come by the condo regularly at about 11am on arranged days off, stay til 4pm or so. The fucking fantastic dynamic duo.

As you may imagine, I do take care of them well.

They asked me not to tell who, what, when, where, or how, so I ain't.

Double-double. Good things definitely come in pairs. (Sorry if this thing was too long winded)

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[QUOTE=Fun Filled]Hi,

I am bit confused where to go Bangkok or Singapore.

I usually prefer high end girls not less then 8.

Regards[/QUOTE]Choice for me would be easy, Bangkok of course, I know the Singapore scene till 3 year ago and not sure what as been or could be changed but for sure more expensive than BK.

Thai girls are much nicer than the Filipinos or EEU girls you can get there,

Two weeks ago I was hanging all night drinking with a guy that was working in SIN for a long time, I have to be in SIN within a few month and asked him the same question, easy answer, he comes over to BK every two weeks for a long weekend and this will cost him less than staying in SIN with a lot more fun and nightlife possibility’s.

The high end in SIN will be mainly Russians but Thai high end girls are much more fun to play with but you can’t compare apples with oranges as EEU is a completely different mentality than Asia or Thai.

John Euro

Folks,
I am in BKK right now-unfortunately this time wifey is with me, so I am looking for some ST action in the morning. Any fellow mongerer knows a decent place except Beer Garden in Sukhumvit Soi 7, the freelancers on Sukhumvit near Nana or the pathetic Patpong joints open early?
I do have my places at night, but regrettably they're off limits right now (sigh).
I've heard that there are some brothels in Chinatown - someone knows anything about that ?
Any advice off the beaten "Stickman/**************" paths truly appreciated :-)

[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]Folks,

I am in BKK right now-unfortunately this time wifey is with me, so I am looking for some ST action in the morning. Any fellow mongerer knows a decent place except Beer Garden in Sukhumvit Soi 7, the freelancers on Sukhumvit near Nana or the pathetic Patpong joints open early?

I do have my places at night, but regrettably they're off limits right now (sigh).
I've heard that there are some brothels in Chinatown - someone knows anything about that ?

Any advice off the beaten "Stickman/**************" paths truly appreciated :-)[/QUOTE]For daytime action the massage parlours are the place to go.

Please check out the Bangkok Massage Parlours thread, as there is tons of good info there, from NicFrenchy & others.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1421[/url]

[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]Folks,
I am in BKK right now-unfortunately this time wifey is with me, so I am looking for some ST action in the morning. Any fellow mongerer knows a decent place except Beer Garden in Sukhumvit Soi 7, the freelancers on Sukhumvit near Nana or the pathetic Patpong joints open early?
I do have my places at night, but regrettably they're off limits right now (sigh).
I've heard that there are some brothels in Chinatown - someone knows anything about that ?
Any advice off the beaten "Stickman/**************" paths truly appreciated :-)[/QUOTE]

Tulip has some of the girls starting at 10AM. The rest not till 1PM.
Map with opening times:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.734633,100.567732&spn=0.02839,0.0418&z=15[/url]

[QUOTE=Fun Filled]Hi,

1st I want to thanks to all the senior members for posting there experience and ofcource a big thanks to ISG for giving this forum.

I have a small query, I am getting a week off and I am bit confused where to go Bangkok or Singapore. I usually prefer high end girls not less then 8. Can any of u tell me which will be better place for out of these two and is going price for LT for girls not less then 8.

Regards[/QUOTE]I spent, spend and will spend much time in Singapore and know pretty well what to expect there. On the downside: Singapore is more expensive than Bangkok and you have to know your way there. However there is more choice with respect to the ethnicity of the gals: Chinese, Malay, Indonesian, Pinays, Thais and Indian to a lesser extent. I've seen more pretty gals in SGP than in BKK but that may be my personal taste. One of the most beautiful Thai gal I ever met lives in SGP.

To answer your question: I think that BKK will be easier for you, as a foreigner. Just visit one of the high-end MP's or G-Clubs.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Tulip has some of the girls starting at 10AM. The rest not till 1PM.
Map with opening times:

[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.734633,100.567732&spn=0.02839,0.0418&z=15[/url][/QUOTE]Awesome map! That will help me ALOT during my next stay in Bangkok in june-july.

Thanks!

I have a quick questions gents, what time do the bars close in Nana Plaza, Cowboy, Patpong, etc.? Getting in at about 1:30 am and wanted to know if there would be time to head out. Can't seem to find a straight answer, some sites say 1:00 am, others 2:00am and others that they stay open "late" (which to me would mean 4 or 5) but maybe late means something else in Thailand.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Fun Filled]
I have a small query, I am getting a week off and I am bit confused where to go Bangkok or Singapore. I usually prefer high end girls not less then 8. Can any of u tell me which will be better place for out of these two and is going price for LT for girls not less then 8.
[/QUOTE]

Standards can be very high is Singapore, many of the Chinese girls that I saw in Geylang on my last trip, were definite 9 or 10's. Unfortunately such quality comes at a price and LT rates are 3 to 5 times what it would cost you in Bangkok. The quality of service does not always measure up either and if you are looking for a GFE, you might be better served going to Bangkok.

But if you just want professional and quick sack-emptier's with a succession of beautiful girls, all to be found in the same small area, and moneys no object, then Singapore is the place.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled]Hi,

1st I want to thanks to all the senior members for posting there experience and ofcource a big thanks to ISG for giving this forum.

I have a small query, I am getting a week off and I am bit confused where to go Bangkok or Singapore. I usually prefer high end girls not less then 8. Can any of u tell me which will be better place for out of these two and is going price for LT for girls not less then 8.

Regards[/QUOTE]Having just returned from both, here is my opinion, prefaced with the statement that most of my time was spent in the Nana area of BKK and the Geylang area of Singapore. Singapore is like a buffet, BKK is like a sit down dinner, you have variety in Singapore, but with the street girls of Geylang at least, the decision has to be made as you are walking along the "counter" with a crowd in front and behind. The price is higher, and the time is usually shorter. In Bangkok, you have time to sit down, peruse the menu, and really get to know someone before you take her home. Without a doubt the GFE quality was much higher in Bangkok than in Thailand.

Different venues (OT in Singapore for example) would probably lead to different experiences. Having said all that, and if this is your first time, why not try both, like I did. Airfare between Singapore and Bangkok can be fairly cheap.

[QUOTE=John Euro]Choice for me would be easy, Bangkok of course, I know the Singapore scene till 3 year ago and not sure what as been or could be changed but for sure more expensive than BK.

Thai girls are much nicer than the Filipinos or EEU girls you can get there,

Two weeks ago I was hanging all night drinking with a guy that was working in SIN for a long time, I have to be in SIN within a few month and asked him the same question, easy answer, he comes over to BK every two weeks for a long weekend and this will cost him less than staying in SIN with a lot more fun and nightlife possibility’s.

The high end in SIN will be mainly Russians but Thai high end girls are much more fun to play with but you can’t compare apples with oranges as EEU is a completely different mentality than Asia or Thai.

John Euro[/QUOTE]Where do you find the Russian/EEU girls in Singapore.

Orchard Towers?

[QUOTE=SweetLemon]I have a quick questions gents, what time do the bars close in Nana Plaza, Cowboy, Patpong, etc.? Getting in at about 1:30 am and wanted to know if there would be time to head out. Can't seem to find a straight answer, some sites say 1:00 am, others 2:00am and others that they stay open "late" (which to me would mean 4 or 5) but maybe late means something else in Thailand.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Sweetlemon, You can always find some actions after 2am in some of the after hour bars along Prasamit rd right next to Soi Cowboy. Most of these bars normally do not show themself until you walk right up to them. They are among the street food vendor places after you exit Cow Boy and head back toward Suk. Most of these are quite friendly as they count on repeat customers for most of their business. They also have short time rooms upstair should you want a quick release after the long flight.

I arrived in Bangkok last Saturday aroond midnight. It was too late for Tulip, so I crossed Sukhumvit to the odd-numbered side and checked into Thermae near Soi 15. There were about 40 girls there, but only three of them attracted me. There was one real good-looker there, cute and young, and she spoke excellent English. I told her that I was looking for a massage and she said, "Are you inviting me to your hotel?" I said "maybe." I offered 1,000 baht plus a 500 bonus if I liked the service. She turned up her nose at my offer. She indicated that she would get a minimum of 3,000 and she would only stay ST. She didn't even try to negotiate. I was quite surprised, because I thought there was a recession on in Thailand and times were tough. Maybe she found plenty of Japanese willing to pay 3,000 ST. If the service were really good, I would probabl;y be willing to pay the 3,000, but 3,000 is a lot for ST with no guarantees. I decided it was best to look elsewhere.

I walked down Sukhumvit to Soi 11, and the place was booming---even at 2 am. I talked to several girls in a couple of the massage places. I found one cute one who was ready to work on the incentive plan: 1,000 base for two hours with an extra 500 if I liked the service. She was also young and cute and had a nice personality. As it turned out, it was the right decision. She gave me a wonderful massage, an awesome bbbj and FS before I went to dreamland. I ended up giving her 1,800. Her name was pronounced "Wee-yew," and she worked at the second massage parlor you come to on the right-hand as you turn onto Soi 11 from Sukhumvit. (It's in a kind of mini-mall just steps off the Soi and the girls stand outside on Soi 11.)I think it was called "Sawadee-Krup" or something like that.

The next day I had Nice from Tulip come by the hotel at 1 pm. This was my first time with her. I got her name from ISG as someone highly recommended. Nice has a ful figure, but is not fat. I usually prefer slim ones, but Nice was fine. She has a spikey hair-do and a face that is cute, but not really pretty. She has a warm personality and the service was great. It was two full hours of intense pleasure.

At 9pm that night, I had Fa from Tulip come to the hotel. I prefer outcall, since it's only 200 baht more and I like the privacy and comfort of my hotel room. Tulip girls give great service, but the rooms are small and a little dumpy.
In my opinion, Fa is the prettiest of the Tulip girls next to Yok It was fun being with her and service was excellent as usual.

The next day I kept up my plan of going through the Tulip rotation. Cee came to the hotel that afternoon. It was also my first time with her. She has the energy and looks of a young colt---very frisky. She speaks a limited amount of English, but her communication skills are excellent. She asked me what I was doing in Thailand, so I told her I was on holiday. She thought about it a moment, looked at me and said, "You come Thailand to sleep and boom-boom ladies." Although the phrasing was not very elegant, the communication was direct, to-the-point and accurate. Cee gave very good service.

Got into Bangkok a day earlier than planned. Landed and passed through immigration smoothly. Took the taxi down to Sukhumvit and checked into the hotel. Took a quick shower and headed over to the Beergarden Soi 7 for some late lunch.

Entered and saw the place was pretty busy with boys and girls enjoying each other's company. Sat down and ordered some food. From the corner of my right eye caught the attention of a girls (Doaw) sitting at the bar counter near the entrance. Smiled and she smiled back.

Asked her over and bought her a drink (Cola as was her own choice). Chit-chat and had my lunch. During lunch she told me it was her 1st day (I take it at face value...). Had some light conversation and asked her for LT. She declined and said that she need to get home by 6pm. She suggested ST and when I asked the price, she said "up-to-you".

Was a little cautious (thinking it might be a scam) but my little head was eager to come out and play. Offered her 1K with a promise that tips will be included it she perform well. She agreed and we made our way back to my hotel.

Had a shower together and she gave me a nice BBBJ. Toweled dry and proceed to the bed. I like to start with some foreplay and went on to DATY her until she had her first climax. She gave me another long and slow BBBJ and after a while I passed her a condom to put on. To my surprise she told me she does not know how!!!! (good acting or for real?????)

Taught her how to put it on and proceeded to do Missionary, Cowgirl, Doggie, Lotus and finished off with a nice spray on her boobs....hehehe

After such a nice release, we cuddled. She gave me a light massage which was very nice. Later took another shower together and proceed to pay her the agreed 1K and tipped her another 0.5K. She wanted me to take her again tomorrow but I am in Bangkok to have a good time. Further as tomorrow is my birthday....I might want something special........will have to think about what is that "special"....hahaha.

Now in my room typing this FR and maybe catch a little nap. Will venture to Soi Cowboy tonight and see what kind of fun there are.......

Unitl tomorrow,,,,cheers
normad2020

[quote=canyon]cee came to the hotel that afternoon. it was also my first time with her. she has the energy and looks of a young colt---very frisky[/quote]well said canyon.

frisky in the fact that she makes you cum in about 3 minutes. talk about leaping into a wild gallop straight out of the gate, whoa that girl can fuck. seriously built for speed, pornstar type stuff. after a session with her i have to check for riding sores and friction blisters. girl is awesome. also, try doing a daytime threesome with cee & yok, turn up the stereo (and hold on to your hat.)

great post.

[QUOTE=SweetLemon]I have a quick questions gents, what time do the bars close in Nana Plaza, Cowboy, Patpong, etc.? Getting in at about 1:30 am and wanted to know if there would be time to head out. Can't seem to find a straight answer, some sites say 1:00 am, others 2:00am and others that they stay open "late" (which to me would mean 4 or 5) but maybe late means something else in Thailand.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

If you walk along Shukumvit, odd number side, from Asoke towards Soi 3 (or the opposite way) you will find at least one hundred of willing girls to get hold of your money and your young one.

Watch out for the ones with the suprise tho.

[QUOTE=Bob1000]Sweetlemon, You can always find some actions after 2am in some of the after hour bars along Prasamit rd right next to Soi Cowboy. Most of these bars normally do not show themself until you walk right up to them. They are among the street food vendor places after you exit Cow Boy and head back toward Suk. Most of these are quite friendly as they count on repeat customers for most of their business. They also have short time rooms upstair should you want a quick release after the long flight.[/QUOTE]
2 Months back bars in some places seemed to get go ahead to open 1 extra hour. Suzi Wong was open well beyond 2AM at that time. But not sure if economic down turn has had an adverse effect.

Woke up around 8pm (11 Mar). Took a shower and decided to grab dinner at Gallery 11 opposite Ambassador hotel. (after taking a look at Eden Club..... keeping my option open for by birthday surprise...hehehe). After finishing a nice Thai dinner, took a walk across the road to see what Annie's have to offer. Later had a look at Nana Hotel carpark and saw a relatively well-proportioned woman but before I could reached her, another man had struck-up a deal with her....well there is always another day....

Walked the quite side of Sukhumvit all the way to Asok BTS station and crossed over and headed for Soi Cowboy. The place was quite pack and decided to have a beer at Suzie Wong. The dancers were average dancing with dis-interest on their face. Finished my beer and left.

Headed across the lane to Afterskool and it was packed!!! Could not get a seat on the counter and decided to check out other venue. Was persuaded by the sweet hostesses in front of Shebas and decided to venture in. Was stopped at the door as the bouncer wanted to know which country I was from. I am a Malaysian Chinese whom the hotel reception staff told me I look very "Thai"....hahaha

Entered Shebas and ordered my beer. Sat down and immediately regret my decision. There was a group of girls dancing on stage but the funny thing was that they were mainly talking and joking amongst themselves without the least bit of attention shown to the customers.......Now talk about the service industry........ Finished my beer and left.

Decided to walk back to the hotel alone and spent a quite night to rest.



Holiday - Day 2 (afternoon)

After finishing this report I plan to go and get a good oil massage follow by some happy ending.....I want to try some less frequented places and thought of giving the following a try:
(1) Cara Massage (Suk Soi 22)
(2) Maleen Massage (Suk Soi 23)
(3) Katanga Massage (Suk Soi 23)
(4) Nee Na Massage (Suk Soi 26)

Will visit them and decide. I will post my report later.

I am still deciding what I want for my birthday surprise this evening...

Cheers
normad2020

[QUOTE=Canyon]I arrived in Bangkok last Saturday aroond midnight. It was too late for Tulip, so I crossed Sukhumvit to the odd-numbered side and checked into Thermae near Soi 15. There were about 40 girls there, but only three of them attracted me. There was one real good-looker there, cute and young, and she spoke excellent English. I told her that I was looking for a massage and she said, "Are you inviting me to your hotel?" I said "maybe." I offered 1,000 baht plus a 500 bonus if I liked the service. She turned up her nose at my offer. She indicated that she would get a minimum of 3,000 and she would only stay ST. She didn't even try to negotiate. I was quite surprised, because I thought there was a recession on in Thailand and times were tough. Maybe she found plenty of Japanese willing to pay 3,000 ST. If the service were really good, I would probabl;y be willing to pay the 3,000, but 3,000 is a loirect, to-the-point and accurate. Cee gave very good service.[/QUOTE]

glad you stuck to your hunches Canyon...last time i was in the Thermae, i had the same...met a gal who wanted 3000...i laughed and told her that wouldn't be possible..she asked me why farangs were so smart and never paid like the Japanese, told me she preferred Japanese of course...i kept my cool and found it amusing that she decided to go with me 20 minutes later for 1000!

During a scorcher afternoon of my latest trip to Thailand (second half of February) I decided to venture back on a well-known path: the infamous Star of Light bar in Patpong.

As many of you already know SOL is a blow job bar but this time I choose the takeway option.

The lucky lady was Plaa a 28-years-old from Karasin.

She had new tits as result of a surgery performed in january and the new boops add more options in having sex with her...

After choosing her from the bunch of girsl sit outside I came insde the bar and ordered a couple of gin tonic.

I paid the barfine (400 baht) and in 5 minutes we were checking in at the nearby (50 meters) Pavillion Hotel.

The rooms are nice and clean: staying up to hours is 400 baht.

Plaa really knows her job.

She is one of the best suckers in Bangkok with a gift for deepthroating.

Sex was very good as well and I made some tits-fucking n order to test her new boops-job.

During the session I managed to come two times and in the time beetween Plaa also gave me a good massage.

Anal was on the menu and she seemed to enjoy it though her screams made the people in the neighbouring room complain a little bit.

We spent two hours in the room and before leaving I gave Plaa 1500 baht.
Every satang has been absolutely deserved.

More reports from Bangkok and Pattaya to come.

Italy 1974

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[QUOTE=Oldian]glad you stuck to your hunches Canyon...last time i was in the Thermae, i had the same...met a gal who wanted 3000...i laughed and told her that wouldn't be possible..she asked me why farangs were so smart and never paid like the Japanese, told me she preferred Japanese of course...i kept my cool and found it amusing that she decided to go with me 20 minutes later for 1000![/QUOTE]

With the way things go with the world economy. There will not be many Japanese or Farang to go around for these girls to cherry pick from.

[QUOTE=Oldian]glad you stuck to your hunches Canyon...last time i was in the Thermae, i had the same...met a gal who wanted 3000...i laughed and told her that wouldn't be possible..she asked me why farangs were so smart and never paid like the Japanese, told me she preferred Japanese of course...i kept my cool and found it amusing that she decided to go with me 20 minutes later for 1000![/QUOTE]
Yep, stick to 1000 ST guys. Times are getting tough and most of the girls will go for this amount. These girls area really not worth more than 1000 ST anyways.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]

But if you just want professional and quick sack-emptier's with a succession of beautiful girls, all to be found in the same small area, and moneys no object, then Singapore is the place.[/QUOTE]
Hong Kong or some parts of China also.

[QUOTE=Italy 1974]During a scorcher afternoon of my latest trip to Thailand (second half of February) I decided to venture back on a well-known path: the infamous Star of Light bar in Patpong.

As many of you already know SOL is a blow job bar but this time I choose the takeway option.

The lucky lady was Plaa a 28-years-old from Karasin.

She had new tits as result of a surgery performed in january and the new boops add more options in having sex with her...

After choosing her from the bunch of girsl sit outside I came insde the bar and ordered a couple of gin tonic.

I paid the barfine (400 baht) and in 5 minutes we were checking in at the nearby (50 meters) Pavillion Hotel.

The rooms are nice and clean: staying up to hours is 400 baht.

Plaa really knows her job.

She is one of the best suckers in Bangkok with a gift for deepthroating.

Sex was very good as well and I made some tits-fucking n order to test her new boops-job.

During the session I managed to come two times and in the time beetween Plaa also gave me a good massage.

Anal was on the menu and she seemed to enjoy it though her screams made the people in the neighbouring room complain a little bit.

We spent two hours in the room and before leaving I gave Plaa 1500 baht.
Every satang has been absolutely deserved.

More reports from Bangkok and Pattaya to come.

Italy 1974

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]She is a gem - as many of the girls there. But BJ wise she is probably one of the best there since Tuk left.

I envy yio as I will only go back in 3 months.

12 March and its my birthday!!!

Set out for Emporium for a look-see before proceeding to Soi 22 & 23 for some massage hunting. Walked around the lanes and was not very impressed with the set-up. Ended up at Cara Massage (Soi 22) for a 2-hour Oil Massage as I needed a good rub. Massage was uneventful and decided not to have a happy ending as the lady was not appealing. Paid my 550 baht and a tip of 50 baht and left feeling refreshed.

Took the BTS back to Asok to go to my hotel and change for the evening. Decided to call Doaw (from previous day) to join me for dinner and requested her to bring along a friend for some fun. Agreed to meet up in front of MacDonald (beside Robinson) at 8pm.

Doaw and Nikki (both 25 yo) was waiting there when I arrived and we headed to a Korean BBQ place (next to Luxury massage at Soi 19) for some food. Had a good dinner. The price was agreed at 1K baht each for ST of 2-hours with anything goes and a bonus (at my discretion) if service was good. After dinner went over to Soi Cowboy (an Irish pub at the corner of the lane) for some drinks.

Got back to the hotel at around mid-night for the action. Showered together and had a few laughs. After shower proceeded to bed and the girls gave me a nice "4 hands" massage coupled with "sensational" double BBBJ. Doaw was inexperience and Nikki (who had been around the beergarden for about 4 months) became the instructor and it was fun to watch. We went on to do missionary, cowgirl, doggie and finished off with CIM in Nikki's.

I was drained and asked the girls to give me a show and again shy Doaw was guided by Nikki to some lesbian actions until both girls had their respective climax. We all cuddled together and when the time was up both girls wanted to spend the night without additional charge. I was pleased. Before we retired for the night, we had another round and finally drifted of to sleep around 4am (13 Mar).



Holiday - Day 3


Woke up at 8am by some gently BBBJ from Doaw and Nikki was sitting on my chest "demanding" some DATY. Had a go at Nikki for some time until she climax. While concentrating on Nikki, I did not realized that Doaw had stopped giving me a BJ and was watching us in action. After finishing off Nikki, I went down on Doaw and gave her a good lick until she too had her satisfaction. The girls then serviced me with renewed energy until I was once again spent.

We showered together and they left my room at around 10am. I paid each of them 1.5K baht and they seem happy.

After posting this report, I am going to get dress and get some lunch. Lets see what today will bring. I might want to try Chinatown or Patpong.....we will see.........

Cheers
normad2020

i woke up on monday with one of the most beautiful women on the planet. long legs that go up and up and up to a perfect butt. she has the figure that the designers of “designer jeans” were thinking about. i have thoughts about being a considerate guest and just easing out the door. one of her eyes open, then another. some subtle movement of her eyes translates into come-hither. my thoughts of an early departure evaporate. we make love slowly but intensely. i won’t see her for a while and she wants to make sure i remember every part of her body and every way her body can be used. i will remember indeed. she thinks it’s ridiculous that an older man makes her horny. i no longer question good fortune when it happens.

departure comes soon enough. i have a late night flight and neither one of us are good at all-day, lingering goodbyes. just rip off the bandage and move on.

i do my bit for company and country, but realize i will have an early day. what to do? i decide to visit someone at luxury that i met a few months back. i haven’t seen her in a few weeks. (see my post in the mp thread in january.) i see from recent posts in the mp thread that luxury is disappointing guys lately. not me, but i’m zeroed in on this one girl. in addition to being great with her sexual skills, this lady can actually give an excellent massage. she’s thin, with the great legs/butt combination that ttg likes. japanese guys think she’s too tall, too dark, and too old. i feel sorry for people with such prejudices. she gives me a good massage that leads to a wild cowgirl ride. a quick shower is followed by a half-way attempt for more massage. i‘m more interested in the great bbbj she can, and does, give me. i snooze for 10 minutes.

when we were getting dressed, i heard from her that business is very slow and some days, not all the girls at luxury get to work. she also told me about repeated bad experiences with south asian and egyptian guys lately. she had to actually leave the room when one guy got nasty about pricing, saying that 500 thb for full service was all he had to pay, and the 500-1,000-1,500 rate structure was a trick to cheat him. how sad that this behavior comes from the same guys who demand (and receive) culture sensitivity from me in their countries. i add 500 thb to my tip. she probably thinks her story has worked. in fact, i made up my mind about the tip before i arrived, because i need her to remember me for my next trip to bkk, when my schedule is going to be tough. i may be asking her to do some re-scheduling for me.

i’m out into the evening to catch dinner. after dinner i wonder how to fill up the last few hours. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s is the obvious answer, but can i handle 3 women in the same day? it’s been decades….sigh! i’m a risk taker. at 10-ish i place myself in the capable care of ms porm at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s. porm is actually pretty (maybe a 7) but a bit overweight. i considered going for fs, but stayed with the bj option for energy conservation. she has noticeably better oral skills than the average [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] girl, in my experience. i may be her last customer of the day and she’s trading enthusiastic performance for going home early. all of it works for me.

bangkok. i love this town.

[QUOTE=Normad2020]After posting this report, I am going to get dress and get some lunch. Lets see what today will bring. I might want to try Chinatown or Patpong.....we will see.........
[/QUOTE]

Happy Birthday, Nomad.
I guess you had a nice day....;-)
I'am interessted to know more about the red light district in Chinatown. Where are they?

Thanks DG69.

I do not really know where Chinatown is as I did not get there today. Instead I went to Sazanka.

I will post my report next.

Cheers
normad2020



[QUOTE=DG69]Happy Birthday, Nomad.
I guess you had a nice day....;-)
I'am interessted to know more about the red light district in Chinatown. Where are they?[/QUOTE]

Went to lunch at the international food court at MBK as I needed to buy something at that place. After lunch shopped around and found what I wanted. Left MBK and took the BTS to Asok to put the things I bought back to the hotel. Wanted to go to Chinatown but was a bit confused on the direction. Instead went to Sazanka (Soi 22)

Arrived at Sazanka at around 3pm. Chose Nana for my massage. Nana brought me up to the designated cubical and left me to take off my clothes whilst she prepared the things. She came back and brought me down to the "wash room" for the "salt scrub".....

The "salt scrub" was one of the most amazing process I had experienced in a massage parlor. Nana started by scrubbing my body with a rough glove until the skin was smooth. After which she put rough salt on my body and started the "patting" process which made my skin very sensitive. Thereafter she poured warm water over my body and it felt great.

After the scrub we proceeded back to the cubical upstairs and she gave me hot towels wrap and proceeded to climb on top of me for a back massage (using her feet). After the massage my body was so relax and the sensitive skin and relax muscle was enhanced by a nice and gentle oil massage with a very nice HJ for a happy ending.

Left the place after 2 hours refreshed. Total spent 1380 baht + 120 baht tips.

Now I am in my room typing this report and after posting I will dress and go get some dinner, after which I will go to Soi Cowboy for some fun.

Until next time.....Cheers
normad2020

[QUOTE=Normad2020]Thanks DG69.

I do not really know where Chinatown is as I did not get there today. Instead I went to Sazanka.

I will post my report next.

Cheers
normad2020[/QUOTE]

There are several way to go to China Town.
By Taxi is the most easiest way, maybe 100 Bhat from Asoke.
By MRT from Asoke to Railway Station. From there you can walk into China Town.
By BTS:
- Go to National Stadion and than take a Bus. Ask Info at National stadion for the Bus number.
-Go to Saphan Taksin, take the river ship in direction to Grand Palace and leave at China Town.

China Town is good for shopping, but I don't know where the red light district is.
I think there are maybe only street walker and brothels.

In Chinatown it can be very difficult to find your way. Even most taxi drivers dont have a clue.
I had some business there some times and I spent hours finding the way. (or the taxi actually) Even I had a map with full address on it.
Amazing Thailand.


Ken.


[QUOTE=DG69]There are several way to go to China Town.
By Taxi is the most easiest way, maybe 100 Bhat from Asoke.
By MRT from Asoke to Railway Station. From there you can walk into China Town.
By BTS:
- Go to National Stadion and than take a Bus. Ask Info at National stadion for the Bus number.
-Go to Saphan Taksin, take the river ship in direction to Grand Palace and leave at China Town.

China Town is good for shopping, but I don't know where the red light district is.
I think there are maybe only street walker and brothels.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DG69]China Town is good for shopping, but I don't know where the red light district is.

I think there are maybe only street walker and brothels.[/QUOTE]I've never heard of a "red light" district there either. Or anywhere else in Thailand. Reports of the area gave me the impression that prices were very low in accord with the absence of sweet eye candy.

[QUOTE=Ken Orvik]In Chinatown it can be very difficult to find your way. Even most taxi drivers dont have a clue.
I had some business there some times and I spent hours finding the way. (or the taxi actually) Even I had a map with full address on it.
Amazing Thailand.

Ken.[/QUOTE]
Some taxi drivers can't read maps. That can only go to places where they have been before.

This sounds like a paradox :confused:

They may go by a strange route as they only know how to get there from a certain starting position.

If you are heading to a well known Hotel, shopping centre etc., you are O.K. but if ask to go intersection of 2 major roads, you will find that they don't know the road names (even if pronounced correctly).

Hey Guys,

Wanted to say thanks to those who still stay in touch, I've really enjoyed the insight. We have booked our flights and are on our way to BKK/Pattaya in April, really looking foward to the trip.

Wanted to invite anyone who has been recently to message us with any juicy details on bars etc so we know the 'hot/sleezy' places to go to and to what places need avoiding.

I might even post some pics after the event so you all know I have been an honest 'female intruder' into a very male dominated site.

I've really appreciated the site, feedback and really hope some of you respond with recent goss!

Cheers guys,

D.

[QUOTE=Normad2020]
(1) Cara Massage (Suk Soi 22)
(2) Maleen Massage (Suk Soi 23)
(3) Katanga Massage (Suk Soi 23)
(4) Nee Na Massage (Suk Soi 26)[/QUOTE]

Number 3 is Ka[b]d[/b]anga, and they offer FS

[QUOTE=Black Shirt]Where do you find the Russian/EEU girls in Singapore.

Orchard Towers?[/QUOTE]

I am sure you can get the answer to that Question in the Singapore forum

Had a delay in MNL getting into town so I missed my 4 pm appointment at the flower shop which turned out to be a good thing as an old friend called me and we'll hook up for free, and going to the flower shop would have ruined that.

So by the time I got in and changed and showered I headed over to LL to meet some new ISG members and and we ended up having about four of us sitting around bull shitting for a while and an enjoyable time. Before I new it, it was late and I hadn't grabbed any desert for the room, so I grabbed a girl and headed out.

Turns out she was new and very young but she did not look it. She was very accommodating and I did not find out until in the room that she was so young and brand new. She gave her best performance which rated high but after going all night long she asked to leave. After four shots with a new lady who am I but the gentleman and of course said I was sad to see her go but OK of course. Truly, the girl was sweet and has potential to be a great talent but needs some stamina training, a very nice girl who rates high in book. And that surprised me.

So had breakfast, did some fitness, did some paperwork, called over a non P4P that I know and surprised her that I got into town in the middle of the night and that I was free until lunch if she wanted to come over. Sure enough a few minutes later she was in the lobby. After round two am now going to head over to LL to lunch with two other long time ISG members for lunch and hopefully out to an MP or Oily after that then the bars later at night. Atleast I plan on hauling some ashes after lunch.

So nice to be back in town after being away for a whole two months... But the best part is the EX hasn't found me yet only threatening phone calls :)

Thanks NicFrenchy for the correction. Unfortunately as I had reported I went to Cara Massage for a good rub-down with oil. My Sazanka's experience was great and the next trip to Bangkok, I will certain make it one of my "must do" place :-)

At the moment I am at the Bangkok airport waiting for my flight back to Malaysia. My holiday in Bangkok was great after a couple of months project engagement in Melbourne, where the adult fun world is very expensive and it not worth the money you paid for....!!! (no punt intended to our Australian friends).

Until next time...

Cheers
normad2020
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Number 3 is Ka[b]d[/b]anga, and they offer FS[/QUOTE]

Had dinner at the "Fish & Chips" place on Soi 23 before proceeding to Soi Cowboy. Was at Soi Cowboy around 10pm and headed over to Afterskool for my relaxation. Had my beer and sat around to chit-chat with the girls whose hands were exploring aggressively under the counter. Saw some gentlemen at the far corner of the bar counter getting some "attention". The queue to the "hot spot" was quite long and decided not to wait for my turn. Left the place at around 10.45pm and wandered over to Baccara.

Sat at the counter and watch the floor dancers (both upstairs and on the ground). Spotted several pretty girls and smiled at them. After their routine, called one of the girl over (no 173) and bought her a drink and we chi-chat. She was very girl-friendly but not pushy (which I appreciate). We talk about nothing and everything. Wanted to take her LT but she said that she can only go after 3.30am and said she will go to my hotel. Was not comfortable with the arrangement and so told her I will take her another day. Left Baccara at around 12.30am and walked back to my hotel.

Since it was my last night in Bangkok, decided to call Doaw and Nikki over to accompany me. We had some great times and since it was the second time around their attitude were better still. They left my hotel at 8am this morning and this time they only requested for 1K baht each. I gave them 1.5K each and they were pleased.

Now I am typing my report at Bangkok International Airport waiting for my flight back to Malaysia to report to the Home Minister. Until next time...I will certainly missed Bangkok....

Cheers
normad2020

[QUOTE=Normad2020]My holiday in Bangkok was great after a couple of months project engagement in Melbourne, where the adult fun world is very expensive and it not worth the money you paid for....!!! (no punt intended to our Australian friends).

normad2020[/QUOTE]I'm Australian and absolutely agree. I don't visit P4P in Aus any more. Its not value for money.

Does anyone know where this place is?

I was there last night. Pretty good scene, some ok eye candy and WG's, but closed shortly after I arrived. I went with two Thai girls so I have no idea where it is.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Does anyone know where this place is?

I was there last night. Pretty good scene, some ok eye candy and WG's, but closed shortly after I arrived. I went with two Thai girls so I have no idea where it is.[/QUOTE]

Pratunam, somewhere behind Amari Watergate.

Was this Saturday night? Friday night I had a taxi driver take me from the closed Spice Club to the closed Spicey to the closed Boss after hours. It was amazing to see how many taxis were making this same route but cops were apparently out checking thing out.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Does anyone know where this place is?

I was there last night. Pretty good scene, some ok eye candy and WG's, but closed shortly after I arrived. I went with two Thai girls so I have no idea where it is.[/QUOTE]
As I didn't produce this Map, cannot guarantee absolute correct placement of markers.
[url]http://www.wickedtraveler.com/city-map-guide/?cityid=Bangkok[/url]
On the right directory click on:
Bars
After Hours
Pratuu Naam
The Boss Club

A link to this site has been in BKK Fun MPs Map for a long while:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.732048,100.570049&spn=0.050693,0.075617&z=14[/url]
See the Useful Links bit.

When I were first time in Bangkok, about 15 years ago, I bought a city sex guide for Bangkok. It was more a Map and on the back side of the map a description of the various places. There were mainly Massage Parlours like chao praya 3 and others, than also the bars at pat pong, soi cowboy and nana. Also, freelance places like the coffee shop, beer garden (at that time in soi 3 if I am not wrong), Thermae and kings lodge (patpong)...
A big part of the attraction were brothels, they had usually names like Hotel 23, Hotel 57, or similar. They were all over the city.
I was once in such a place. I came to a room with a sofa, sat down and than a couple of girls came in, to be choosen. Short time rooms very upstairs. Do those brothels still excists? On my latest Bangkok visits I have not seen them again.

[QUOTE=Normad2020]Had dinner at the "Fish & Chips" place on Soi 23 before proceeding to Soi Cowboy. Was at Soi Cowboy around 10pm and headed over to Afterskool for my relaxation. Had my beer and sat around to chit-chat with the girls whose hands were exploring aggressively under the counter. Saw some gentlemen at the far corner of the bar counter getting some "attention". The queue to the "hot spot" was quite long and decided not to wait for my turn. Left the place at around 10.45pm and wandered over to Baccara.

Sat at the counter and watch the floor dancers (both upstairs and on the ground). Spotted several pretty girls and smiled at them. After their routine, called one of the girl over (no 173) and bought her a drink and we chi-chat. She was very girl-friendly but not pushy (which I appreciate). We talk about nothing and everything. Wanted to take her LT but she said that she can only go after 3.30am and said she will go to my hotel. Was not comfortable with the arrangement and so told her I will take her another day. Left Baccara at around 12.30am and walked back to my hotel.

Since it was my last night in Bangkok, decided to call Doaw and Nikki over to accompany me. We had some great times and since it was the second time around their attitude were better still. They left my hotel at 8am this morning and this time they only requested for 1K baht each. I gave them 1.5K each and they were pleased.

Now I am typing my report at Bangkok International Airport waiting for my flight back to Malaysia to report to the Home Minister. Until next time...I will certainly missed Bangkok....

Cheers
normad2020[/QUOTE]Dear Bro,

I'm Malaysian too ,plan to visit Bangkok sometime early Arp 09.

Can PM me the contact for Doaw & Nikki.

Thanks

Et888, I must apologized for not being able to give you their contact numbers as I threw away my Thai prepaid mobile card and did not write their numbers anywhere (precaution in case Home Minister check...).

Anyway, you can easily find them at Beergarden Soi 7 in the late afternoon. I can described them to you as follows:

(1) Daow :- 5'3" with shoulder length hair, slightly plump for a Thai girl, statistics 34B-28/29-32, 25yo)

(2) Nikki :- 5'2" with long straight hair, small build, statistics 32B-24/25-27, 25yo)

Both girls like to stand at the counter on the right as you enter the main door.

Hope that would help.

Cheers
normad2020


[QUOTE=Et888]Dear Bro,

I'm Malaysian too ,plan to visit Bangkok sometime early Arp 09.

Can PM me the contact for Doaw & Nikki.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Cheers Mate. Hope you have a great time in Thailand. It is big adult fun-world....

normad2020


[QUOTE=Mp Lover]I'm Australian and absolutely agree. I don't visit P4P in Aus any more. Its not value for money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]As I didn't produce this Map, cannot guarantee absolute correct placement of markers.
[url]http://www.wickedtraveler.com/city-map-guide/?cityid=Bangkok[/url]
On the right directory click on:
Bars
After Hours
Pratuu Naam
The Boss Club

A link to this site has been in BKK Fun MPs Map for a long while:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.732048,100.570049&spn=0.050693,0.075617&z=14[/url]
See the Useful Links bit.[/QUOTE]


Thanks a lot! Spicey and Spice have been working pretty well for me, though be very ware of the total assholes in the bathroom at Spice (Suk soi 11) who get very aggressive about their 20 baht extortion fee. I wasn't aware of that and the guy actually pushed and punched me as I was leaving. It was shocking and scary.

Easy to find - huge place right on Soi 55. Sauna is on 9th floor. Set up fairly like a Chinese sauna (shower, communal pool/hot tub, sauna room, and massage rooms). I'd give the place about a 5 or 6 in the ambiance category - fairly seedy feeling but not too bad. Decent service from the regular staff too. But nothing exceptional.

However, I do have a recommendation here. The girl they gave me was named Cherry. Very small girl - not more than 5' tall, and probably a bit shorted. But great little body! Amazing boobs and ass, and A+ in the sex category. Actually gave a decent massage too (light oil massage, but not at all bad).

The setup is 1.5 hour oil massage for 800 baht, and I paid 1500 baht for FS (though I got the feeling that might have been a bit more than usual - I just never negotiate or care when I'm traveling, and she was so nice and provided such good service that I was happy to pay).

Face = 7
Body = 9 (if you like short girls who aren't rail thin)
Service = 9+
Sauna = 5 or 6

Overall very satisfied customer, and would highly recommend Cherry.

Cheers,

-B-

I am planning to make next mongering trip to to Thailand in April, and was wondering whether there might have been any positive developement in the quality front as a result of recent economic develpments? Anybody seen any shifts in standards, and supply of high quality product, especially freelancers?

Also, wonder how does Pattaya compare to Bangkok these days? Have not been there for ~3years and was thinking maybe should pay a visit there, espeically if reason to believe more/higher quality supply?

knob
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[QUOTE=Betong]It goes up, it goes down, it averages out. Given the current economic prospects, it may soon start to rise. I still remember some of the very nice girls who got onto the game after the crash of '97. Once I even found myself with the the former guest relations manager of a fairly well known Bangkok hotel . . . 26 years old, a Thammasat biz grad, and utterly lovely . . . working in bar in Suk 22. Could be more of these coming soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Easy to find - huge place right on Soi 55. Sauna is on 9th floor. Set up fairly like a Chinese sauna (shower, communal pool/hot tub, sauna room, and massage rooms). I'd give the place about a 5 or 6 in the ambiance category - fairly seedy feeling but not too bad. Decent service from the regular staff too. But nothing exceptional.

However, I do have a recommendation here. The girl they gave me was named Cherry. Very small girl - not more than 5' tall, and probably a bit shorted. But great little body! Amazing boobs and ass, and A+ in the sex category. Actually gave a decent massage too (light oil massage, but not at all bad).

The setup is 1.5 hour oil massage for 800 baht, and I paid 1500 baht for FS (though I got the feeling that might have been a bit more than usual - I just never negotiate or care when I'm traveling, and she was so nice and provided such good service that I was happy to pay).

Face = 7
Body = 9 (if you like short girls who aren't rail thin)
Service = 9+
Sauna = 5 or 6

Overall very satisfied customer, and would highly recommend Cherry.

Cheers,

-B-[/QUOTE]Bro,

I heard of this place called Ryu Sauna but never made it to get there. Is it located in that big building near soi 19 Thonglor?

Thnx.

[QUOTE=Knobrm]I am planning to make next mongering trip to to Thailand in April, and was wondering whether there might have been any positive developement in the quality front as a result of recent economic develpments? Anybody seen any shifts in standards, and supply of high quality product, especially freelancers?

Also, wonder how does Pattaya compare to Bangkok these days? Have not been there for ~3years and was thinking maybe should pay a visit there, espeically if reason to believe more/higher quality supply?

knob
-----------[/QUOTE]

The cute ones are still pulling in their quotas so they don't need the cash as desperately as the older ugly ones. The good ones have not really changed their prices much. I did put a cute young one on retainer for the week for 6,000 baht. She got the bad side of that deal as she's on call 24 / 7 and she's actually lived up to the deal.

YMMV but according to what I saw and what this girl is telling me there, for her (she's cute and 25, ex doll house), she has NO shortage of cash or customers or requests and turns down many guys at Beer Garden and Hillary's and other places she goes.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]YMMV but according to what I saw and what this girl is telling me there, for her (she's cute and 25, ex doll house), she has NO shortage of cash or customers or requests and turns down many guys at Beer Garden and Hillary's and other places she goes.[/QUOTE]

If she's cute and 25, and turning customers down, then what the hell is she doing in the Beergarden? It would be as useful as building a 5 star hotel on Kao San Road.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]If she's cute and 25, and turning customers down, then what the hell is she doing in the Beergarden? It would be as useful as building a 5 star hotel on Kao San Road.[/QUOTE]

LOL... I'll Post picture when I can edit after I get home or show you if we meet up again. Better yet I'll bring her over the Lodge for meal, let's get together for a drink sometime. You can see for yourself. Definitely not my idea of Beer Garden quality that is why I was surprised to see her.

The better question is what the hell is she doing with me :)

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Better yet I'll bring her over the Lodge for meal, let's get together for a drink sometime. You can see for yourself. [/quote]

And If I like what I see? (I know the toilet stall at the lodge are clean and roomy... you thik I could...) :D

[quote]The better question is what the hell is she doing with me :)[/QUOTE]

You are a handsome man! what can I say? the ladies love you (even if you don't realise it) ;)
You have the Charm ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]And If I like what I see? (I know the toilet stall at the lodge are clean and roomy... you thik I could...) :D

You are a handsome man! what can I say? the ladies love you (even if you don't realise it) ;)
You have the Charm ;)[/QUOTE]

You won't like her, not your type, you know I like dark skin, and she's from the south. But she has a cute look to her that does not say beer garden, definitely not what I was expecting to find when I was playing tour guide and am glad I took the short time as it turned into a week's back up plan.

I should play tour guide more often, MBK got a sales lady asking for my number and calling me, beer garden found a gem for me, went to temple with a non P4P and she decided I was OK to sleep with... Had a cute young nail paint girl over for some visits...

And still had time to get into trouble at the LL. Work is gonna be pissed if I don't actually do something this visit.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]You won't like her, not your type, you know I like dark skin, and she's from the south. [/QUOTE]

I indeed prefer fair skinned girls but it only is a preference, if I see a darker girl I like, it's a no brainer: I take her.
I will be At LL Friday Afternoon.

[QUOTE=Satrai2000]Is it located in that big building near soi 19 Thonglor?[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's on Soi 19 since the post which you quote states it's on Soi 55.

[QUOTE=Satrai2000]Bro,

I heard of this place called Ryu Sauna but never made it to get there. Is it located in that big building near soi 19 Thonglor?

Thnx.[/QUOTE]

I tried to Google "Ryu Sauna" "sauna soi 55" "sauna Bangkok soi 55" and all I got was a crapload of GAY places... :(

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Easy to find - huge place right on Soi 55. Sauna is on 9th floor. [/QUOTE]

I am guessing Sukhumvit 55? I went to look for this on Google Earth but nothing. Can you give more info? I would like to try this place.
Thanks

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am guessing Sukhumvit 55? I went to look for this on Google Earth but nothing. Can you give more info? I would like to try this place.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
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this is my first review on this site, and i'm glad i finally get to contribute. isg is truly a great resource; a big thank you to all.

i had a short stopover a couple of months ago in bangkok, just two days and two nights. i'd researched places through this site and had made a list of greatest hits to explore.

my first stop for the evening was the infamous soi cowboy. i walked into suzie wong, eager for the lesbian show. sadly, no lesbian show, but a number of the ladies on display were hot and i motioned to one who caught my eye for a drink. she spent a good twenty minutes chatting with me and rubbing my dick through my shorts while i massaged her lovely tits, at one point even managing to slide a digit into her tight little box. wanted to see what else was out there: i'd read that jungle jim's gave good handjobs, but one step into the place to see the talent. or lack thereof. and i walked right back out. long gun was better where i managed to get a couple of nice touchy-feely babes. i generally found the attitude on sc to be really friendly.

not even remembering anymore what time it was, i walked out nicely sauced up, with my fingers smelling that lovely smell, and decided to take a stroll on sukhumvit. well lo and behold, the street was lined with lovely beauties. i talked to a few, but nothing sparked my interest so much. until i got to angie (at least that's what i think her name was) who seemed perfect: marvelous tits, not-so-skinny, good english, nice friendly attitude. off we went to my hotel, which was just a block away. get to the room, and she almost immediately starts to strip, to which i protested and said i would do it. she giggled while i took my time removing her items; admiring her nice lacy lingerie which made the process even more wonderful. nice trimmed bush, very light stretch marks but nothing awful. i'd say a 7 body. once everything was off, we hop into the shower where she proceeds to first nicely soap up and rinse my dick, then gets me nice and rockhard with her mouth. not wanting to wait any longer, i took her to the bed and let her carry on the bbbj there. on comes the glove, and she slides right on. what followed was an intense fucking session with about five different positions. i thought her moans and groans were a bit over the top, but i couldn't care. she was tight and wet and i was nailing her till sweat started dripping from my forehead. i asked her to finish me off with her mouth, she obliged, letting the jizz run out of the sides of her mouth while looking up at me. awesome! she wouldn't go for a second in the same session though, so i said adios.

next late morning, headed to patpong after brunch and finally located sol after a bit of looking, it's hidden behind a row of bars on patpong 2. few ladies sitting outside to whom i tipped my hat, and a couple of them smiled. there were two guys sitting inside on the couches, one middle-aged and one really older one, both with a girl each. i ordered a drink and sat at the bar, chatting with the lady behind the bar. very soon, one of the ladies from outside walked in and sat next to me. i noticed at this point that the older guy had his girl between his legs and her head was bobbing. my girl asked me if i wanted some of that, and i asked where? she pointed to the spot on the couch next to the middle-aged guy. i shrugged and said sure, why not, and went to sit next to who turned out to be a really cool aussie dude. my girl said something to his girl in thai and they both laughed while he and i chatted a little. i continued with my beer while my girl had her hand on my cock through my shorts' leg, gently massaging it. she pulled her boobs out of her top for me to suck: they were those tiny ones with the huge nipples. the aussie guy and his girl were tongueing madly. mine pulled my shorts down, got my cock out and started slobbering over it. it was heavenly: sipping a cold beer while this woman sucked my cock. i looked over to the aussie who was having his knob worked on too. every once in a while, his girl would look at mine and give her some tips, which was funny, since i didn't think she needed any. at one point another woman came in and asked us if i wanted one more chick to join the ones already working on our cocks; i said no. i asked my woman to get up, i lifted her short skirt and slipped her panties off; she was more than happy to spread her lips and push her crotch into my face. i lapped her slit hungrily while i fingered her; she seemed to enjoy it as she grabbed my hair and pushed my face further into her puss. she went back to work on my cock and i noticed that the girl next to me was now sitting on the aussie, fucking him right there on the couch! i love this place! i couldn't hold it any longer and shot all the way down my woman's throat. she continued to suck me until she had sucked every last drop out.

drained but with a big smile on my face, i headed to nana plaza to check out annies. didn't see anyone i liked in there, so left.

thinking i've probably had enough, i headed to banglamphu for a drink. met a cool group of swedish students and hung out with them for the rest of the afternoon, drinking even more. got a wonderful foot massage later, had something to eat and then hit the bars again. as luck might have it, managed to chat up a cute, curvy american babe who i go clubbing with. head to her guesthouse on rambutri road later where we tongue-wrestle for a bit before i start peeling her clothes off: she had big but slightly droopy tits; i get her off while licking her hairy and delicious middle. we fuck in a frenzy on the floor of the room before passing out. had to rush back next morning to my hotel, get my bag, and off to the airport!

two days, and four nuts with three girls. i love this town, and can't wait to visit again.

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