Moscow

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1440909]EastGoing, I only did a few steps to 'hide' my activities with multiple girls. I already mentioned hiding the roses previous girls had left. I washed towels as needed and I changed the sheets one time. Otherwise I just let it go. I didn't do anything about scents, and I didn't pull any hair out of my brush after they used it.

A wise person on this forum made an interesting comment a while back. I think it was very telling. I forget who it was but I remember what he said. It was something along the lines of (simple paraphrase) : 'Russian women like that their man is good enough to attract multiple women and they are happy they are among those women that are good enough to be chosen. ' While I am sure that is not true with all of them, I do think it is part of their culture. Just don't throw it in their face.

Also, while this forum may be most oriented to direct P4P, it seems the FSU threads have a long history of discussing alternatives to direct P4P.[/QUOTE]Yummy,

Great report indeed. Clearly you are a master of preparation.

As far as hiding activities, I do believe that the quote you refer to comes from the late, great Dr Skank who was renown for setting up multiple dates in one day. And I whole heartedly agree with the notion. I currently date two "regulars" who, regularly come to my apartment for sex. One often stays the night the other never stays the night. Each of them leave odds and ends behind. A toothbrush here, a t-shirt there (And just for the the record there are NO feminine hygiene products in my flat). I am SURE they both know that they are not the "only one". One even jokes about my "babnyk" tendencies. I think there's almost a competitive spirit at work here for my attention.

As Western men, isn't it great to be on this side of the equation for a change? Let me offer an interesting anecdote. There's a expat bar near my flat that I often frequent. The only problem with expat bars is that in addition to expat guys, sometimes expat women show up. And take if from me, there is nothing more amusing than a drunk (but otherwise attractive) British, American, Aussie, Canadian, Kiwi woman in an expat bar in Moscow crying her eyes out because she can't get the attention of men in Moscow. Western men don't want them because, let's face it guys, in Moscow we don't need them. And the Russian guys who come to expat bars sure as HELL don't want them for reasons I am sure you are all aware of. There's one American girl in particular, who will drone on and one to anyone who will listen about how wrong it is for Western guys to come to Moscow and be with gorgeous Russian girls whom otherwise they would stand no chance with back home. The law of the jungle prevails!

Come on back to Moscow any time Yummy. The P4P action is not what it used to be, but it makes for good sport. Not that you need it with prep skills like yours!

[QUOTE=Jake993]And take if from me, there is nothing more amusing than a drunk (but otherwise attractive) British, American, Aussie, Canadian, Kiwi woman in an expat bar in Moscow crying her eyes out because she can't get the attention of men in Moscow.[/QUOTE]There is one thing more amusing a drunk (and otherwise good looking in Russia) Russian guy in a expat Russian club in the west, with his man bag, crying his eyes out because he can't get a girl in the west. Western girls find Russian men unattractive and once here they have no chance with Russian girls. As one of my exes said when I asked her why she never went to any Russian expat clubs. She said they were just full of desperate Russian guys. I couldn't argue.

[QUOTE=Jonners;1441724]There is one thing more amusing a drunk (and otherwise good looking in Russia) Russian guy in a expat Russian club in the west, with his man bag, crying his eyes out because he can't get a girl in the west. Western girls find Russian men unattractive and once here they have no chance with Russian girls. As one of my exes said when I asked her why she never went to any Russian expat clubs. She said they were just full of desperate Russian guys. I couldn't argue.[/QUOTE]I loled. If only they could understand the treasures they have. Sales representative are generally chosen from good looking guys and girls. But the company I visited in Russia had gorgeous girls whom should be considered gorgeous by any standard but they were considered average there.

I will be visiting Moscow again next week. I'm trying to find some women through rusdosug. I wish I had the time to go to some bars.

I'll be staying at tulskaya azimut hotel. Last time I was in Moscow it was cold and we couldn't get out of the hotel. This time I might be able to walk around late at night. Is it safe to go around in Tulskaya? My only other alternative right now is to call an escort and enjoy time with whoever shows up in front door.

OK, I am headed back to Moscow in a few weeks. Should I branch out or stick with my "freebies"? Any special investigation requests from my friends here?

Anyone in Moscow interested in going out? I should be there around 26 July.

[QUOTE=Jonners;1441724]There is one thing more amusing a drunk (and otherwise good looking in Russia) Russian guy in a expat Russian club in the west, with his man bag, crying his eyes out because he can't get a girl in the west. Western girls find Russian men unattractive and once here they have no chance with Russian girls. As one of my exes said when I asked her why she never went to any Russian expat clubs. She said they were just full of desperate Russian guys. I couldn't argue.[/QUOTE]Well here's a novel concept. A Russian expat club! Didn't know such things existed. Where would I find something like this?

I've been to Brighton Beach several times and never saw anything like a Russian expat club. :P

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1441874]Well here's a novel concept. A Russian expat club! Didn't know such things existed. Where would I find something like this?

I've been to Brighton Beach several times and never saw anything like a Russian expat club. :P[/QUOTE]Strav. I shall take you comment above at face value and ignore potential sarcasm. You will note I said club not nightclub. Just like any expat club in any major city in the world the Russian expat clubs are there for expats and the majority of people have no intention of settling in the country they live in. I think Brighton beach is mainly full of immigrants so maybe they arent needed. The clubs organise cultural evenings ie if the bolshoi is touring, networking events, dinners and social events and of course trips to bars. I personally find them very useful to practise my Russian so I don't forget it when I'm not there. Anyway not really much to do with Moscow or girls so if anyone does want more info PM me.

[QUOTE=Jonners;1442135]You will note I said club not nightclub.[/QUOTE]OK, I understand, you're talking about a social club--a group of friends or acquaintances with a common ethnic or cultural background who get together and organize social or cultural events. Nothing indicative of the general experience of Russian expats or immigrants and certainly nothing akin to the many public watering holes in Moscow where expats hang out.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1441847]OK, I am headed back to Moscow in a few weeks. Should I branch out or stick with my "freebies"?[/QUOTE]Yummy,

Why not do both? If your current Russian girlfriends are comfortable with the understanding that the relationship is not exclusive, then why not take off and branch out. I'm sure Jake will be happy to point you in the direction of some fertile hunting grounds.

The only problem will be if that iPad translator thingamajiggey craps out on you at a crucial moment, you will have to think fast on your feet. Based on your recent experience, I shouldn't think that would be a problem for you.

[quote=jonners;1441724]there is one thing more amusing a drunk (and otherwise good looking in russia) russian guy in a expat russian club in the west, with his man bag, crying his eyes out because he can't get a girl in the west. western girls find russian men unattractive and once here they have no chance with russian girls. as one of my exes said when i asked her why she never went to any russian expat clubs. she said they were just full of desperate russian guys. i couldn't argue.[/quote]wow. i am speechless. i never really though about that but that makes total sense. question: how do russian speaking western guys do with russian girls in expat clubs in the west? that's probably a rhetorical question because once russian girls get to the west they probably become quickly un-datable.

[QUOTE=WanderTheWorld; 1441759]I loled. If only they could understand the treasures they have. Sales representative are generally chosen from good looking guys and girls. But the company I visited in Russia had gorgeous girls whom should be considered gorgeous by any standard but they were considered average there.

I will be visiting Moscow again next week. I'm trying to find some women through rusdosug. I wish I had the time to go to some bars.

I'll be staying at tulskaya azimut hotel. Last time I was in Moscow it was cold and we couldn't get out of the hotel. This time I might be able to walk around late at night. Is it safe to go around in Tulskaya? My only other alternative right now is to call an escort and enjoy time with whoever shows up in front door.[/QUOTE]Tulskaya is not bad. The nightlife is not terrible in that area. Don't laugh, but you may want to check out the 3rd level of the Eravan Plaza Shopping Mall. There are a few restaurants there (TGI Friday's, Itazh, etc) where some fairly hot chicks hang out at night.

[QUOTE=Aaragon1977;1439980]What website did you use?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed post, Can you please let us know the same of the website you used to line up the dates?

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1338691]Swiss Hotel is a very nice hotel. Rooms are expensive and so are the girls. Unfortunately, the location of the Swiss Hotel makes it difficult for you to enjoy the more affordable places. IMHO you have two options.

1. Call in from a web site. This can be good but it CAN be bad if you do not get what you want. The other thing to do is go down to the lobby and have a word with the bell man out from the revolving door. Not INSIDE the hotel but just outside beyond the revolving door. These guys know how to get girls and you will be safe. And they probably speak enough English to get you what you want.

2. Make a reservation at Night flight for 9:30 PM, have dinner and then go downstairs and select a girl that you like. I suggest this for a few good reasons. You are a newby to Moscow and don't speak the language. If you find a girl from NF you can easily get a taxi from out front to take you to Swiss Hotel. MOST of the girls from NF will not rip you off for fear of getting barred entry. The girls are pricey but not NEARLY as expensive as the Swiss Hotel. As a new comer to Moscow, this is NOT the time to explore bargains. Sure it will cost you $70 for dinner, $50 for drinks in the cabaret and probably $500 for the girl including taxi. But you can choose what you want and no surprises.

Have fun.

Jake[/QUOTE]I know this is an older post, but are the rates for Night Flight still accurate? I assume these are US$ that Jake is referring to. From other posts here, other clubs like Aurora 911 has hourly prices starting at 12, 000 rubles, so are the NF prices similar Aurora 911?

[QUOTE=Aaragon1977;1443956]Thanks for the detailed post, Can you please let us know the same of the website you used to line up the dates?[/QUOTE]Sorry Aaragon1977, the person that shared it with me asked me not to share it with the general population. I have shared it with a long-time contributor and truly helpful poster, but you have not achieved that status yet.

Ok I need some more specific advice regarding options in Moscow. In particular salons or massage places or apartment girls. I have a very limited schedule but will be in Moscow 9 days. I will be free starting 11pm until 10am each night (sex kitten has me occupied with cock worship sessions during the day. Got to love these Russian girls). I'll be staying in Avtozovodskaya so I'm looking for a local spot to sample some of Moscow's offerings. A warm up for my layover in Frankfurt. So anyone know of any options easy to get to or close by my area where I don't need to know Russian (I know I'm asking a lot here). I know there is G Club (strip club) easy walking distance not sure if girls here will "date", There is at least 1 Salon in Avtozovodskaya but I can't seem to find any good info on it. In call is probably not a good idea. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

By the way for any guys looking to date Russian women I can't emphasize enough how much you need to be alpha and be in control with these girls while still being a gentleman after you have established a romantic connection. These women love to be dominated gently and passionately. When they respect your authority then you will be rewarded with total devotion. Be up front about what you want, be fearless (unless confronted by drunk Russian guys) , and let them know exactly what you expect from them. Do not be afraid of being demanding. Most American men don't know how to do this very well but it's a great lesson for American women also, they truly aren't that different. Be fearless, don't apologize for who you are, have high expectations and express them clearly. Most women love a challenge.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1444370]Sorry Aaragon1977, the person that shared it with me asked me not to share it with the general population. I have shared it with a long-time contributor and truly helpful poster, but you have not achieved that status yet.[/QUOTE]I was already curious about that and appreciate your reason not to share Yummy.

But you other guys what you think about this issue.

I have been in Russia and Ukraine and I think it's very useful to have some contacts before you arrive.

At least you can catch someone who can speak english. Better than asking every girl in a night club (Do you speak english? Do you understand me?) I have tried mamba last week but not so effective. Do you have any advice on dating websites? I am planning to make a second visit to Moscow. I was using RussianEuro. Not so bad but I am sure there are better ones. And another question. What is the best approach method you think? Telling her that you are local there or tell that looking for a wife that you will bring outside of country? Thanks for your contributions in advance. BR

No worries, just speak international language. I can speak a bit of rubles, euros, gryvnias, crowns, dollars, leis, zlotys, etc. ; P

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1444370]Sorry Aaragon1977, the person that shared it with me asked me not to share it with the general population. I have shared it with a long-time contributor and truly helpful poster, but you have not achieved that status yet.[/QUOTE]I don't have any plans to visit Russia in the near future unless my company decides to acquire a company, I was just curious. Anyway, I don't see an issue with sharing the URL of a website unless ofcourse signing up on the website guarantee's girls waiting to pick you up at the airport.

Thanks again for the reports.

Hi guys,

I`ve read some old posts about Charmel, Fantasys, Elittv and seems like, they`re best in town. Planning to visit Charmel soon and have some questions for the ones who have experience in them. It`s my first time in a brothel, so sorry in advance for my stupid questions.

1) What is price for an hour service nowadays? I`ve read that it was 4500 rubles in 2010.

2) Is it possible to nail her more then once in one hour service. I mean; what if I cummed in 15. Th minute what should I do for the rest 45 minutes.

3) I`ve also read that some of our fellas experienced anal in there. Is it inc the hourly price or should I give extra for it?

4) Anyone in there speaks or at least understand English? Their site is all in Russian. And I wonder what will happen if I call their number for reservation.

5) And someone please help for the address? The below address is in their site. But what is the door number? How should I go there?

&1052; &1086; &1089; &1082; &1074; &1072; ,

&1053; &1080; &1082; &1080; &1090; &1089; &1082; &1080; &1081; &1073; &1091; &1083; &1100; &1074; &1072; &1088;

M&1077; &1090; &1088; &1086; : &1040; &1088; &1073; &1072; &1090; &1089; &1082; &1072; &1103;

Thanks in advance for anyone helps me. Russia is not like Europe so it makes me a bit nervous.

Hey Jake thanks for the advice last week to go to Friday's. We visited Friday's on Wednesday but it is no use being there with 4 guys, no time and no Russian. We just enjoyed the dinner and left for our hotel. Did not see many people in there and the place gets closed at 10 pm. Overall the place was good.

This is a late report but better late then never. Here it s:

On Monday I called a couple of WGs that I have found through rusdosug who can speak English, that I liked and preferred anal sex. Out of 4,3 of them opened their phone and only 1 of them could speak English well enough to communicate. She said she wasn't available and referred to another friend of hers. I called her friend she spoke English well and said she can come in an hour. For my first anal sex it wasn't that good, probably because she always seemed like she was in pain. You can find their profile here and my comment on the website as well.

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi83477.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi133592.htm[/url]

On Wednesday I called the previous girl I was with when I was in Moscow. She gained a bit of a weight but she was still energetic and smiling, great service. Price increased a bit, charging for an extra taxi fee.

There was also another girl that I have found who didn't speak English but emailed in Russian. However after 40 email exchanges things didn't go as planned and I couldn't see her. Either I wasn't available or she wasn't. Google translate helped here a lot. Her email exchanges showed me she is trying to manage this herself. Being unable to see her seems unfortunate.

All of these aside the most important thing for me this time was I was able to use metro and walk through the city. I traveled mostly to Chekovskaya but we had time to walk around during lunch time. So I was able to see what normal people looked like on Metros, cafes, streets. I also had the time to visit Gorky park in the Thursday evening and it was a great atmosphere. People dancing with people they just met, many trying to chat with each other. It wasn't like any other park I have seen. No one in the group was interested in nightclubs but I found out that Nightlife was really close to where we work on Friday.

After a week of confusion, happiness and mystifying girls we had to go back to my country. The first 2 days I didn't feel that different but it has been a week now and I feel a change in my behavior. I like porn and sexy pictures of girls as much as the next guy however I have been reluctant to watch anything related to porn since I came back. I had a habit of trying to look at every girl around me however my habits also changed, now I am finding girls around me really average. It feels like I haven't seen a beautiful girl since I came back from Moscow. A waitress we saw at a restaurant in the middle of a park in Moscow would be considered extremely beautiful here in Turkey. Most of the men we saw in Moscow didn't really look at the girls we considered beautiful. Now I feel like I'm doing the same thing here.

I don't really know if this attitude is temporary however it feels like it won't go away. I'm considering learning Russian because business requires it but it seems hard. Anyway I just wanted to share it and hope this helps others as well.

I will try to make a post for newcomers linking to well written posts so they know what to read before asking questions.

[QUOTE=WanderTheWorld;1447609][url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi133592.htm[/url][/QUOTE]I can't believe it! That's "my" Paulina! Is that the one you fucked in the ass? How much you paid? Tell me more! LOL!

[QUOTE=WanderTheWorld; 1447609]Hey Jake thanks for the advice last week to go to Friday's. We visited Friday's on Wednesday but it is no use being there with 4 guys, no time and no Russian. We just enjoyed the dinner and left for our hotel. Did not see many people in there and the place gets closed at 10 pm. Overall the place was good.

This is a late report but better late then never. Here it s:

On Monday I called a couple of WGs that I have found through rusdosug who can speak English, that I liked and preferred anal sex. Out of 4, 3 of them opened their phone and only 1 of them could speak English well enough to communicate. She said she wasn't available and referred to another friend of hers. I called her friend she spoke English well and said she can come in an hour. For my first anal sex it wasn't that good, probably because she always seemed like she was in pain. You can find their profile here and my comment on the website as well.

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi83477.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi133592.htm[/url]

On Wednesday I called the previous girl I was with when I was in Moscow. She gained a bit of a weight but she was still energetic and smiling, great service. Price increased a bit, charging for an extra taxi fee.

There was also another girl that I have found who didn't speak English but emailed in Russian. However after 40 email exchanges things didn't go as planned and I couldn't see her. Either I wasn't available or she wasn't. Google translate helped here a lot. Her email exchanges showed me she is trying to manage this herself. Being unable to see her seems unfortunate.

All of these aside the most important thing for me this time was I was able to use metro and walk through the city. I traveled mostly to Chekovskaya but we had time to walk around during lunch time. So I was able to see what normal people looked like on Metros, cafes, streets. I also had the time to visit Gorky park in the Thursday evening and it was a great atmosphere. People dancing with people they just met, many trying to chat with each other. It wasn't like any other park I have seen. No one in the group was interested in nightclubs but I found out that Nightlife was really close to where we work on Friday.

After a week of confusion, happiness and mystifying girls we had to go back to my country. The first 2 days I didn't feel that different but it has been a week now and I feel a change in my behavior. I like porn and sexy pictures of girls as much as the next guy however I have been reluctant to watch anything related to porn since I came back. I had a habit of trying to look at every girl around me however my habits also changed, now I am finding girls around me really average. It feels like I haven't seen a beautiful girl since I came back from Moscow. A waitress we saw at a restaurant in the middle of a park in Moscow would be considered extremely beautiful here in Turkey. Most of the men we saw in Moscow didn't really look at the girls we considered beautiful. Now I feel like I'm doing the same thing here.

I don't really know if this attitude is temporary however it feels like it won't go away. I'm considering learning Russian because business requires it but it seems hard. Anyway I just wanted to share it and hope this helps others as well.

I will try to make a post for newcomers linking to well written posts so they know what to read before asking questions.[/QUOTE]So you tell me you go to Moscow from Istanbul and not visited Aurora 911? My friend you had missed a lot of things. By the way it seems like opposite but for example Artemis Berlin can be more impressive than anywhere in Moscow (Night Flight-Golden Girls). I am also Turkish and live in Istanbul. So understand you well.

I had a straight idea about the girls I wanted to visit in Moscow so made some research on rusdosug and mailed to Karina in the morning to make sure we can meet in the evening. She's got some positive feedback on the site so thought its going to be a great start of my trip. Here come her links:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi111345.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi96792.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi130459.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi130466.htm[/url]

She replied by the time when my plane landed and I was asked to call her one hour before our meeting. Did so and was told to meet in front of an Adidas shop, can be found on Prospekt Mira 78. Finding the place was relatively easy even if it is my first time here and I do not speak Russian at all. Not even a word.

Anyway I was there and her girlfriend picked me up to guide me to an apartment in the neighborhood. The place was simple, the bathroom dark and messy but at least there were some variation of shower and gotten a clean towel. Good enough for an action.

Actually the pictures on the site are heavily photoshopped so divide it with 10 and that's Karina. Bit bigger tummy as expected, boobs are small but okay, no surprise and the most important factor for me: really nice ass!

But at this point the issue started. I believe she just bought a new iPad as when I arrived she just played with it and the box and the charger was on the table. Didn't even look at me until the money was shown. The expression on her face was telling me: do as fast as you can so I can continue playing with my new gadget. What the hell? Horrible-horrible attitude. I thought I have felt time-pressure before with a girl but this was the real TP!

So I told myself if you have such a ***** attitude I'm not going be tender with you. No way. Decided to punish her and drill that ass as hard as I can. Normally my size makes me act slowly and tenderly but now I didn't even care if its going to be dry in that ass or painful for her.

I think I succeed. There was a "little" uncomfort on her face when I gaped her plus was continuously grabbing the sheet as I drilled deeper and deeper.

The conclusion of the night was not to judge by this as there can be many pretty one with better attitude. Generally speaking the devushkas are real beauties over here so I can't wait to go out and see them again tomorrow.

Karina was good for a harsh anal action but that's all she can perform. Not recommended.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1447696]I can't believe it! That's "my" Paulina! Is that the one you fucked in the ass? How much you paid? Tell me more! LOL![/QUOTE]200 euro 2 times- 1 hour. 1 in ass 1 normal way. She was extremely small just like her statistics say. You can do anything with that body. Her face is nothing like that though. Doesn't speak English. I normally can control myself and go on for a long period however nothing helped when I was in the ass so I came really quick. She left as soon as we were done. Speaking Russian would help a lot. Anything else you want to ask?

[QUOTE=WanderTheWorld;1447759]200 euro 2 times- 1 hour. 1 in ass 1 normal way. She was extremely small just like her statistics say. You can do anything with that body. Her face is nothing like that though. Doesn't speak English. I normally can control myself and go on for a long period however nothing helped when I was in the ass so I came really quick. She left as soon as we were done. Speaking Russian would help a lot. Anything else you want to ask?[/QUOTE]I assume with condoms? BTW, nice report.

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1423284]I'm proud to inform the world that I did it! I can actively give my contribute to the Moscow thread with a field report! Here's the event, pratically a disaster, but for the score still counting as a goal.

After several calls in early morning, including Dolce Vita Salon with the expected result, I finally found a basic english speaking girl who answered the phone. Prospekt Mira 78. Lost in her struggled English and in my enthusiasm I took for granted the metro stop would have been Prospekt Mira. Got there and started walking (and phoning the girl every kilometer) , actually it was less than a minute walk from Rizhskaya Metro, quite a long way from where I supposed it could be, I even trespassed it because the last number I could see was 74. After taking an underpass and ending up in a sort of square without houses but just commercial businesses, I was ready to surrender. When I called her saying that if she didn't come to pick me up I'the quit, she gave the clue of adidas shop, to wait out there. A taxi driver pointed it to me, he was quite smart, I'm sure he could have been of great help, unfortunately I didn't meet him 2 days ago and I would have left a few hours later.

I was rescued by a pretty icy KGB agent, who came out from the courtyard looking for a man who would fit the given description, walked after me, we both understood we were each other's target, then came back saying with low voice something like 'Ia niet anglisky'. We walked to the place in silence, she checked that no spies noticed us and carefully let me in the building. Inside the nice flat, where one of the closed glass doors seemed to lead to another place, TV with minimum volume and whispered phrases to 'understand' what had happened to the expected Genya (cell. 89252342834) , who, inspite of being "busy", managed to 'drive' me there. We agreed for 1 hour. 3000 rubles + 1000 for BBBJ. 2 pops. She sent me for shower, as usual superfast for me, and then she disappeared 12 minutes o'clock for her own shower, during which I noticed the equipment: Miramistin, condoms, creams, different kinds of tissues, etc.

She came back wrapped in a nice towel, which she didn't seem to want to get rid of. She started an icy BBBJ and complained when I wanted to move because my dick prefers to be blown from a face-to-face perspective, which also enables me to see the action. I thought she was shy and I didn't complain when very soon she improperly put the condom on slightly hurting me. I took her from behind and quickly understood that I wasn't allowed to touch her, nor boobs, nor pussy, nowhere. I finished quickly and was left alone for another good 10 mins plus.

When she came back I was wondering about the second pop, and I wasn't surprised when she gladly accepted my suggestion to use google translator (from one of the 3 computers I could see in the room) to have a sort of conversation with infos. She showed me her ad,

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=154333[/url]

, honestly the girl in those pics could well be her sister or even her, but what a fucking difference, really compliments to the photographer. I believed her when I noticed that there wasn't a pic with a smile, because her front teeth are quite yellowish with a couple of brown stains, detail that had made me accept willingly the shortness of the BBBJ.

Somehow I convinced her to go for it, reassuring her I'the be watching somewhere else. Maybe one minute, then condom, again badly put, and same position. This time I wasn't even allowed to hold her by the hips, which I wanted to do also because she was always trying to sneak away for being penetrated as less as possible. I pulled out to adjust the condom and she hugely complained. I understood by the handling of creams that I had been blamed for touching the condom with my naked fingers. Maybe she had surgery gloves among her stuff and I didn't notice them? I was informed I had less than 10 minutes left, and that the timing, obviously, starts as soon as you enter the flat, good deal for some 25 minutes shower time. My dick decided before me that it was enough. She 'said' I could go for shower, I hope she understood my gesturing that my time might have run out while I wasn't fully dressed and therefore I was risking to be kicked out half naked. Perhaps if I had started making a mess she would have behaved differently, since no noise was supposed to be heard by counterespionage, but I didn't even care.

No need to warn you guys to keep away from Paulina, but since this was my first, only and probably last shot in Moscow, I don't regret it, considering that bad encounters have happened and will happen everywhere. I've seen plenty of girls I would have felt ashamed to lay (and even touch) for any amount, many times I didn't feel at ease because I was the only one overtwisting his neck to watch those stunners while nobody else seemed to mind them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1423324]EG,

Can't help but wonder, of all the possiblities available to you, how did you settle on &1055; &1086; &1083; &1080; &1085; &1072; (Paulina)?[/QUOTE]Guys, I take the freedom to resurrect these 2 months old posts, shortened. WanderTheWorld, as you can see, I shared the same feelings about turning my head to admire beauties among unminding Russian folks. But Stravinsky's says it all, I can't help joining him and ask you and Kaboca: how did you manage to end up in that flat? Did you at least enjoy watching the stars on the ceiling, since for sure you weren't taken to the sky by the girls? If I had a justification for ending up there, you 2 don't, ahahahah!

P. S. Yummy, I bet my ass it was with condom, probably Paulina would like to put 2!

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1447826]Guys, I take the freedom to resurrect these 2 months old posts, shortened. WanderTheWorld, as you can see, I shared the same feelings about turning my head to admire beauties among unminding Russian folks. But Stravinsky's says it all, I can't help joining him and ask you and Kaboca: how did you manage to end up in that flat? Did you at least enjoy watching the stars on the ceiling, since for sure you weren't taken to the sky by the girls? If I had a justification for ending up there, you 2 don't, ahahahah!

P. S. Yummy, I bet my ass it was with condom, probably Paulina would like to put 2![/QUOTE]Hi EastGoing,

I just figured out that it was actually Paulina who picked me up but so sad to hear she has the same attitude as Karina. Was speaking several words in English and seemed to be a nice girl but I didn't even think about to take her! Bit ugly for my standards. Now it is proven for all the fellows here to avoid these girls. But again, I think let into the flat was easy as we walked together there.

PS: I noticed those stars and clouds on the ceiling. Was funny! But actually the only sign of being close to the heaven.

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1447826]Guys, I take the freedom to resurrect these 2 months old posts, shortened. WanderTheWorld, as you can see, I shared the same feelings about turning my head to admire beauties among unminding Russian folks. But Stravinsky's says it all, I can't help joining him and ask you and Kaboca: how did you manage to end up in that flat? Did you at least enjoy watching the stars on the ceiling, since for sure you weren't taken to the sky by the girls? If I had a justification for ending up there, you 2 don't, ahahahah!

P. S. Yummy, I bet my ass it was with condom, probably Paulina would like to put 2![/QUOTE]EG:

It was a business trip and we were staying at Eridan previously so going to Azimut was a step forward for us. I was at the top floor so I'd have enjoyed the stars if I wasn't so tired or if there was a sight of a star to see from bed. In order to profit they made the rooms so small that you'd have hard time walking past the bed to the desk.

How I ended with polina is that I made a call to her friend who is here.

[url]https://www.rusdosug.com/indi83477.htm[/url]

And then she referred me to her bc she wasn't available. When I looked at her comments on rusdosug I didn't see anything and I was the unlucky guy to make the first comment. I don't really know how to find the same girl in intimcity. Nl so I couldn't look her up. If I had a way of linking a girl I find on rusdosug with a girl on intimcity. Nl I wouldn't have called her (is there a way?). I never intended to call her in the first place so I remember reading your report and since I wasn't going to call her, I didn't take any notes.

Of course with condoms, she is really bad at placing them, kinda hurts when she does it. Even if she smiled the photographer would have made her look like an angel. I paid 150+50 euros when she came to the hotel. How did you not like her ass though? I think if it was any smaller we'd both have a hard time. After 5 mins of slow penetration I was moving normally as I should but then it was too much for me to handle.

Kabuca:

Saw your reviews at the site, please write a review for each of the girls you see. Searching for girls with "verified by admins" doesn't do much for getting an idea of her real looks, almost every girl is verified. I don't think rusdosug admins care much about us then they care about the WGs, they probably have some connection to them. I have added a couple of guys on rusdosug site who have made good and bad reviews of the girls, the girls they report are much better than trying to find through the search mechanism.

I planned to warm up the day with Nastya found on rusdosug: [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi133833.htm[/url]

Her English knowledge seemed to be promising plus the price is also nice if the massage and the HJ / BJ is okay. So in the morning I visited the main tourist spots just to make myself thinking about something else than girls, but. Beauties are everywhere. Those short skirts and long legs are killing me. Bloody hell! God bless Russian devuskas!

Anyway had a lunch in GUM (I can highly recommend restaurant Stolovaya No. 57) and called Nastya to meet within an hour. It went smooth, really good English, not a strong accent at all and after we finished the conversation was messaging me the address within a minute. Went back to my accommodation and as it was not that far from my place decided to walk there. However if you would chose public transportation it is close to the metro Krasnopresnenskaya, and the salon is at Volkov pereulok 13. Was really easy to find and even arrived earlier. Messaged her if she is ready I am also but asked me to wait. No problem. But I was waiting like 20 minutes more! WTF? Again-and-again. Customer satisfaction? He? Does it mean anything here?

Okay-okay, was just letting me calm down as it would not be a great start to argue. Finally she picked me up at the door and we went to the salon in a tiny room.

She has a really cute face, really-really cute, so don't be afraid if this is your fetish. Told she is 20 but looks younger. Body is so-so. Not the nicest I have ever seen but okay for one. Her face was compensating everything. As she explained the system works like that: 1800 RUB for a regular massage and HJ (and I can even touch her! Wow!) but there are some extra options. She can be naked, can give a body-to-body massage, can do an almost-like-BJ with her neck (?) and there was another option I can't recall anymore as it was probably nothing special. Each extra 1000 RUB plus. I went for the naked option but was just waste of money.

However not to be so strict there was a huge advantage with her: she was smiling! . The first (and hopefully not the only one) girl in Moscow. I would not say she was enthusiastic but at least smiled back and was communicative. Finally, someone!

Had a quick shower, removed her clothes and she started the massage. Surprisingly good for such a small girl. Pretty strong hand she had and was doing well on my back, shoulder, legs and torso. It was like 10 minutes I think when she asked me to turn and after some nice touch did a HJ. Nothing spectacular (means probably I will forget it within a month if you won't remember me) but a good one to warm up the day.

We were chatting a bit more, had a quick shower, kissed her face and left. I had the feeling she can be a nice and warm person but had no chance and time to discover it. Anyway I recommend here, but don't expect too much.

My main course for the day was Elina:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi130813.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi130658.htm[/url]

I think you understand me why. She looks like a classic beauty and can expect some great time with her!

So called her in the late afternoon for a night meeting. Personally I like to discover Moscow and it is also way more cheaper, so challenged myself again to find the place. As it turned out I was talking to an operator who told me the address but obviously I couldn't understand anything so asked her to send it via a text message so it's going to be easy for both of us. She said okay and was waiting like 10 minutes so I text her: please don't forget to send me the address. Nothing. No reaction.

Now tell me what the hell is wrong here? Hello! I'm the fucking customer want to pay you 10000 RUB! Please let me do so! :/

Called back 30 minutes later and she was just saying sorry and sending that effin' message with the address: Kutuzovskiy prospekt houm 1. Well the street is okay but what the hekk is houm 1?

Called again now it is me saying sorry but asked to send me the address again in Russian as maybe that would be more helpful. It was like &1050; &1091; &1090; &1091; &1079; &1086; &1074; &1089; &1082; &1080; &1081; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1089; &1087; &1077; &1082; &1090; &1076; &1086; &1084; 1, ahhhhaaa now it makes sense. So dom number 1, or building / block number 1. Excellent!

Was there in time and called here to find where I exactly should be. It turned out I have to go through a gate inside a courtyard and find a door with number 10. Went well she was sending me the code to the door, the floor and the door number via another text message. So 3 messages and 5 callings but I was finally in!

As a first look I was unsure if it is really Elina standing in front of me. Don't misunderstand me, there was a cute, blond-blue eyed, nice girl but thought again to kill the photographer for this cheating. Another heavily photoshoped profile but at least what you get in reality is not disappointing at all!

As for enthusiasm in the beginning she was the same herring-type-girl as Nastya but there was something in her eyes made me think like maybe I can change it if I play well this game. So during the hour some obvious joke and kindness and a lot of body language just made her comfortable. I believe.

After a quick shower she also left for a shower and came back with a strange bra. She recently had a surgery and made her breasts 2 size bigger. It's going to be C cup now. It's a pity not to play with those sweet ones but okay, I will survive it. That also warned me to be soft and tender with her, which is definitely my style.

No kiss (only on her body which I practiced a lot) , no cunnilingus, no deepthroat, no anal. That's all folks! :S But for the rest she is awesome! Good reaction keeping her under control, no grizzle at all. Very good GFE. Was even acting like having an orgasm. Wow! Not bad! Obviously fake but that's what I call effort! We had a fun time even if her English is pretty limited. After I was flying away we were chatting on the bed. No TP, just enjoying each other. By the end of the hour she became talkative, quite funny and a great companion. Was leaving with a smile on my face and felt like my mission is completed for today. So highly recommended girl!

Conclusion of the day: if you want a great mongering time here in Moscow think again your budget. It strictly mean: higher price, higher quality. Lower price means horrible and disappointing time.

Bonus conclusion: I can't help myself to compare the girls with my favorite mongering place – Budapest, Hungary. Over there 70 or 80 % of the girls are enthusiastic, kind, cheerful, fun and ready to make you happy! Not all of them but most of them. You will never wait 20 minutes for a girl and even if they can't speak at all but pretty sure they will smile to make you comfortable. Moreover you can get more for less amount of money. The Hungarian ministry of tourism is not paying for this but if you would doubt about where to go, choose Budapest. Generally cheaper than Moscow, the same shitty public transportation, the same language barrier, the same beautiful tourist spots, excellent cousine and the girls are fantastic! That's just my 5 cent.

[QUOTE=Chayvo; 1447115]Hi guys,

I`ve read some old posts about Charmel, Fantasys, Elittv and seems like, they`re best in town. Planning to visit Charmel soon and have some questions for the ones who have experience in them. It`s my first time in a brothel, so sorry in advance for my stupid questions.

1) What is price for an hour service nowadays? I`ve read that it was 4500 rubles in 2010.

2) Is it possible to nail her more then once in one hour service. I mean; what if I cummed in 15. Th minute what should I do for the rest 45 minutes.

3) I`ve also read that some of our fellas experienced anal in there. Is it inc the hourly price or should I give extra for it?

4) Anyone in there speaks or at least understand English? Their site is all in Russian. And I wonder what will happen if I call their number for reservation..[/QUOTE]Come on fellas. Need some help. Again, is it possible to nail her again or choose another girl if I come in 15th minute? I mean; for 1 hour service, are we talking about unlimited come? Or finish your first and get the hell out of here deal?

I know I told you yesterday higher price means higher quality but mea culpa, forget about it! I went for Nataliya today and let me tell you why:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi127087.htm[/url]

I was just browsing my favorites on rusdosug and found her profile a bit strange. I mean the same straight blond hair, the same eyes, same teeth. Thought this must be Elina, the girl from yesterday and was really confused. I just couldn't decide it, I hate photoshop.

So I said, hell I will sacrifice myself (just for you guys) and figure out what's going on here.

The morning and the afternoon were about some cultural refreshment but the rainy season just started so stuck to museums (don't miss Phuskin's house on Arbat, really nice).

In the afternoon called the number and wow, what a surprise the same operator as yesterday. I think she recognized me as well so asked her to send me the address. I was pretty sure we will play the same game again so was just taking a nap. Half an hour later still nothing. Not surprised at all, called her again to say a kind whadefakk. She apologized as believed I want to send her my address and ask Nataliya to come over. (I'm curios what will be the story tomorrow, really creative girl on the line) All right, let's do it again and tadaaam here it is: ulitsa Marinoy Roshchi 2-ya, block 22, close to metro station Maryina Roshcha.

Walking there takes like 10 minutes and all can be find by google maps. Yeah, a smart phone is really useful in this city. Was there in time and called her (the operator) again to let me in. Another message with the door number, the code to the door, the floor number and the apartment number. By the third day it is getting a smooth process!

And there she was, Nataliya, definitely not the girl from yesterday but a 160-165 'tall' goddess. Beautiful face, blue smiling eyes, stunning body. Just the perfection you can expect from a 24 yo girl. Not rock hard boobs but I don't care, it was a pleasure to taste them. And, hey almost forgotten to mention the most important thing: really-really enthusiastic! Really basic English knowledge, but a funny girl, ready to play and the fucking awesome attitude I was just waiting for since I'm here.

I did it with her passionately, softly, hardly whatever you can imagine and she was just partner in everything. I have no special desires but I guess with this girl you would also forget it. To summarize it we had an excellent first round and felt like killed after it. She went for a cigarette in the brake time, I was drinking my tea (was just made when I have taken the shower) and having a basic chit-chat. Turned out she is from Ukraine (maybe that's the reason for the different attitude?) adores fancy things and was just examining her perfume collection.

As I told you she was really active, offered me a massage and I couldn't say no for that. She's got very strong hand for such a tiny girl. I think basically she likes getting wild. As she was done I also offered a massage but within 5 minutes (because of the view and touching her body) I was horny again. Made obvious what can be the next step and again we performed a fantastic second round. Missionary, doggy, behind, cowgirl, we tried many positions and was just continuously enjoying each other. Fantastic-fantastic-fantastic! There is no better word for this one hour! I can tell you guys one fact: this was a perfect quality-price rate! What a girl I found, my legs are still shaking.

Do I recommend her? No! She is mine! Ha-ha-ha!

Conclusion of the day: there is no conclusion today. Sorry! It is all about luck finding a girl like she is. I will keep you informed if I figure out more about Moscow. Happy hunting for all of us! Yuppie!

[QUOTE=Kaboca; 1448439]I know I told you yesterday higher price means higher quality but mea culpa, forget about it! I went for Nataliya today and let me tell you why:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi127087.htm[/url]

I was just browsing my favorites on rusdosug and found her profile a bit strange. I mean the same straight blond hair, the same eyes, same teeth. Thought this must be Elina, the girl from yesterday and was really confused. I just couldn't decide it, I hate photoshop.

So I said, hell I will sacrifice myself (just for you guys) and figure out what's going on here.[/QUOTE]Great report thanks.

There is a sister website of rusdosug which are frequented by Russians and they add more reviews on each girl than rusdosug which seems to be primarily targeted towards tourists. They share the same database but have more reviews.

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/en/d/gallery?smode=gallery&id_scountry=50&id_scity=1961[/url]

Its like sextalk. Ru but has english option. Open the website on Chrome browser and you can read the Russian reviews by left clicking the page and translate to Russian option.

Also, worth checking is intimcity. Nl.

Good luck

[QUOTE=Chayvo;1448313]Come on fellas. Need some help. Again, is it possible to nail her again or choose another girl if I come in 15th minute? I mean; for 1 hour service, are we talking about unlimited come? Or finish your first and get the hell out of here deal?[/QUOTE]At places like Charm'El, you are on the clock. You pay for the hour, you get the hour. How many times you pop is between you and the girl.

[QUOTE=Chayvo; 1447115]Hi guys,

I`ve read some old posts about Charmel, Fantasys, Elittv and seems like, they`re best in town. Planning to visit Charmel soon and have some questions for the ones who have experience in them. It`s my first time in a brothel, so sorry in advance for my stupid questions.

1) What is price for an hour service nowadays? I`ve read that it was 4500 rubles in 2010.

2) Is it possible to nail her more then once in one hour service. I mean; what if I cummed in 15. Th minute what should I do for the rest 45 minutes.

3) I`ve also read that some of our fellas experienced anal in there. Is it inc the hourly price or should I give extra for it?

4) Anyone in there speaks or at least understand English? Their site is all in Russian. And I wonder what will happen if I call their number for reservation...[/QUOTE]Hey, here are some answers:

1. The price is 5000 per hour now.

2. You can have sex whatever times you need in this one particular hour.

3. Anal costs 5000 more. It's very expensive in these salons. I would not suggest to spend so much. However, I took two girls at once several times. It's also 10.000 but the experience is amazing.

4. I don't know if they speak any English but a lot of girls in there do speak a little bit.

5. There is no clear address. Usually, they give you some landmark nearby and then the security guy takes you from there to the salon.

[QUOTE=MatAndr81; 1450843]Hey, here are some answers:

1. The price is 5000 per hour now.

2. You can have sex whatever times you need in this one particular hour.

3. Anal costs 5000 more. It's very expensive in these salons. I would not suggest to spend so much. However, I took two girls at once several times. It's also 10. 000 but the experience is amazing.

4. I don't know if they speak any English but a lot of girls in there do speak a little bit.

5. There is no clear address. Usually, they give you some landmark nearby and then the security guy takes you from there to the salon.[/QUOTE]Welcome MatAndr81. Your first two posts on the Forum (Germany and here) have been of excellent quality. I look forward to your continued contribution.

A short post from me. I am back in Moscow since Tuesday and this is the first I have been on my computer.

First off, I want to give a big public shout out to Iceberg27. He went out of his way to meet me in Istanbul and I failed him. I am sorry brother. I really appreciate your effort and I will send you an email to explain.

So far the trip has not been as fun as the last. It is almost all my fault as I did not have the time for as good planning and I have made some poor choices.

I have been suffering with two age old dilemmas:

1. Staying with pussy you know is good or looking for new pussy that you don't know.

2. Staying with a nice looking girl you know will give you sex or pursuing the hotter girl who might give you sex-or might not.

My only real informative report to give:

I went to Penthouse strip club on Wednesday night about 02:30 in the morning. It was dead with only about 5 other guys there.

1000 entry fee and you can sit at the bar or at chairs outside the immediate perimeter of the stage. For 1500 more you can sit on the couches with tables closer to the stage. That 1500 did not include anything like drinks.

I decided to stay in the "free" areas and hopped back and forth between them.

Drinks expensive as usual but not horrible. 550 for a Mojito and I think I paid 350 for a beer.

As I sat many of the girls approached me for a private dance. Not too aggressively but some were a bit aggressive. Mostly the girls I was not interested in. Several of the girls did their table dance with me, mostly without even asking, and I tipped most of them if it was a nice dance. There were a few that got upset that I did not tip them but I had shown no interest in their dance so I didn't give a rat's behind. Generally I only tipped 100 if they did the dance without my expressing interest and 200 if I did express interest. No one asked for any specific amount and everyone thanked me that I gave a tip to. Some of the table dances were very good and worth the tip if you are into that kind of thing.

For the most part the talent was not too impressive for my taste. The "World Famous Penthouse Strip Club" was filled mostly with girls in the 7 range with a few 8s. Not really impressive. Stage dancing not that great either. I've seen better stage dancers at 2nd rate clubs in the USA. Of course this is my taste.

I did like the looks of two of the bartenders but they seemed mostly unavailable.

I don't usually go for blondes but the only girl that go my repeat business was a very cute little blonde. She spoke very little English but she sat with me for long periods talking to me. Danced with me. Let me touch her a lot. I even did two private dances with her. She was very passive-aggressive because she was never pushy but was always very friendly and available. She did a great job with me because she made a fair amount of money from me over 2. 5 hours (probably 4000) when other girls were not making money in the club at all.

She wanted to take me to a room. She quoted 9000 for her and 4000 for the room. I was very tempted at times because she did a great job in the private dances and was very affectionate. I would have done it just to get my first regular Moscow strip club P4P if she had agreed to BBBJ but fuck if I am going to pay 13, 000 for an hour with CBJ. I had "freebies" that looked damn near as good as her that would do anything for me.

I will say that I am really jaded about strip clubs. I have spent WAAAAY too much time in German FKKs to enjoy strip clubs. My favorite club in Stuttgart "Sakura" has a bunch of 7s and 8s that walk around the club nude, are friendly, not pushy, will sit with you, be affectionate, and ALL of them will fuck you for 100 Euros an hour with at least decent service and some exceptional service including BBBJ and a full range of other options. Why bother with a strip club?

I went to Penthouse hoping to see some 9s and maybe some girls close to being a 10. My taste may not be exactly the same as others, but I don't think there is a girl there that would rate a 9 in anyone's book. They just were not that hot. There are so many extraordinary girls walking the streets in Moscow but they are not in this strip club.

Is it fair to say the talent in Moscow strip clubs has declined in the last few years? It was almost all straight 9's a few years back with some 8's and 10's.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1451288]Is it fair to say the talent in Moscow strip clubs has declined in the last few years? It was almost all straight 9's a few years back with some 8's and 10's.[/QUOTE]I don't have past experience but I will tell you that within 2 minutes of walking out of my apartment today I saw two girls that were in the 9+ range. One was my taste, the other was not, but they were both significantly hotter than anyone that was working at the club.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012; 1448622]Great report thanks.

There is a sister website of rusdosug which are frequented by Russians and they add more reviews on each girl than rusdosug which seems to be primarily targeted towards tourists. They share the same database but have more reviews.

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/en/d/gallery?smode=gallery&id_scountry=50&id_scity=1961[/url]

Its like sextalk. Ru but has english option. Open the website on Chrome browser and you can read the Russian reviews by left clicking the page and translate to Russian option.

Also, worth checking is intimcity. Nl.

Good luck[/QUOTE]Starchild,

Thanks for the additional info! It just made even more difficult to decide who is going to be my next candidate.

But that was the only problem during my visit in Moscow.

Cheers,

Kaboca

The week went well but was so busy that no time for mongering. The only sex-kind of activity was licking customer's asses. Ehh.

Anyway I managed a free night to visit Iren:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi123725.htm[/url]

She seems a classic beauty so I wanted to try her. Called and immediately was dropped saying "no English". Hmm. Okay lets give a try to this number:

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/en/d/girl?sid=21461&gid=52789[/url]

Called and the girl on the phone asked me to text as her English knowledge is close to zero. Suspicious bit no problem. Texted her with basic words to spend an hour together in the evening. 5 minutes later got a reply that it is okay and also the address which is Kutuzovskii prospekt 27, close to Studencheskaya station. Easy to find it so when I arrived texted again for further instructions. She replied with the door number, the code for it, the floor and the appartment door number. Again not a difficult process by the 5th time.

But when I was in the apartment there was a tall, blond, quite nice looking girl standing there and asking where is my friend? Heee?

First she was definitely not the girl from the site, second she had no idea who is going to visit her. Fantastic. The only positive thing was that she was good looking enough not to say bye immediately. Pretty basic English but we agreed that it will work between us and give her 7K RUB plus started to pray and hope not to regret ti. To be honest I didn't!

Came back from shower and she also entered being perfectly naked. Really nice body, rock-hard silicone boobs, nice smiling face. And her attitude was just great, a real professional girl, knowing how to act in different situations. As we warmed up it turned out she can do more as it looks like, a real animal I have found. I cannot even remember when was the last time when a girl was sucking my balls and deepthroating so eagerly than she did. Absolute perfection and was just doing her as I wanted. I'm personally not a dominant type and prefer mutual things but if I can see that a girl desires that, well, why not. To summarize it we had a nice time together, really enjoyable companion and because of the positive and nasty attitude I would see her on my top 3 Moscow girls list right behind Nataliya. However I can not recommend her as she was not the girl from the site and easily can be that you are also screwed.

Conclusion of the day: I've got the feeling that even if you spend here much more time than I could this city will still remain unpredictable. But that is just one of the things which makes it so unique and exciting.

[QUOTE=Kaboca; 1451509]To summarize it we had a nice time together, really enjoyable companion and because of the positive and nasty attitude I would see her on my top 3 Moscow girls list right behind Nataliya. However I can not recommend her as she was not the girl from the site and easily can be that you are also screwed.

Conclusion of the day: I've got the feeling that even if you spend here much more time than I could this city will still remain unpredictable. But that is just one of the things which makes it so unique and exciting.[/QUOTE]Yes, typically, the best memories of Russia are always those of what you [i]didn't[/i] Expect to happen.

Any info this girl; name, rank, serial number, identifying marks? Is she on the internet somewhere? Phone number maybe?

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1451288]Is it fair to say the talent in Moscow strip clubs has declined in the last few years? It was almost all straight 9's a few years back with some 8's and 10's.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's fair to say.

[QUOTE=Kaboca;1451509]Conclusion of the day: I've got the feeling that even if you spend here much more time than I could this city will still remain unpredictable. But that is just one of the things which makes it so unique and exciting.[/QUOTE]Dude, you are so right. After more than two years here, I NEVER know what's going to happen from one day to the next (as it related to girls, dating, sex, etc). The one thing this city is NOT, is predictable!

There has been some talk in the past few weeks about quality. That's an elusive topic. In so far as WG's and strippers are concerned, this is NOT the right time of year. A lot of the students are back home in the provinces, or on vacation. Come late August or September, things will pick in the talent department.

This has been said many times on this forum over the past few years but it bears repeating. The top "professional talent" has gone underground. What I mean is, the 9's and 10's are, once again, largely the exclusive playthings of guys with big bucks. These girls are often (but not always) on sponsorships. You might even say that they have left the "business" for all practical purposes.

You can go to any number of VERY high end clubs and restaurants (that is if you get past face control) and see tables of STUNNINGLY beautiful girls sitting around drinking $50 cocktails and $400 bottles of wine chatting amongst themselves. You ask yourself "who the fuck ARE these babes?" The fact is, that these girls are "on call" waiting for their oligarch or mini-garch "boyfriend" to show up. Seems like waste but these guys pay their rent and give them money for clothes, beauty salons, fitness clubs and restaurants. Their end of the bargain is that they are "on call" several times a week for personal service. Maybe the guys will show, maybe they won't. Regardless, these beauties will sit for hours at their reserved tables sipping cocktails chit chatting while the rest of us mere mortals can only hope for another financial crisis!

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1451147]A short post from me. I am back in Moscow since Tuesday and this is the first I have been on my computer.

First off, I want to give a big public shout out to Iceberg27. He went out of his way to meet me in Istanbul and I failed him. I am sorry brother. I really appreciate your effort and I will send you an email to explain.

Dear Yummy. I was expecting your recent Moscow report. For missed appointment in Istanbul. Please forget. Really no problem. Not your fault. And something that I am really curious why don't you just try Aurora 911 or Golden Girls? Penthouse is the worst among all three and it's also very disappointing even if you compare with international competitors. (not just in moscow basis) Tell us if you can spot a pick-up club or bar like Real Mc-Coy (I know it's closed.) I hope the rest of the journey gets better. Have fun. BR

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1451746]Yes, typically, the best memories of Russia are always those of what you [i]didn't[/i] Expect to happen.

Any info this girl; name, rank, serial number, identifying marks? Is she on the internet somewhere? Phone number maybe?[/QUOTE]I tried to find her without luck so far. I called the number form this page:

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/en/d/girl?sid=21461&gid=52789[/url]

However there were 3 girls in the flat but if you got there would pretty easy to recognize her as she was the only 170-180 high, blond blue-eyed one. There was another dark short haired girl and another one with quite average appearance, short blond-brown hair, not sexy at all. Identifier? For some reason she kept saying "bitte schöand" in German, don't ask me why.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1451828]Dude, you are so right. After more than two years here, I NEVER know what's going to happen from one day to the next (as it related to girls, dating, sex, etc). The one thing this city is NOT, is predictable!

There has been some talk in the past few weeks about quality. That's an elusive topic. In so far as WG's and strippers are concerned, this is NOT the right time of year. A lot of the students are back home in the provinces, or on vacation. Come late August or September, things will pick in the talent department.

This has been said many times on this forum over the past few years but it bears repeating. The top "professional talent" has gone underground. What I mean is, the 9's and 10's are, once again, largely the exclusive playthings of guys with big bucks. These girls are often (but not always) on sponsorships. You might even say that they have left the "business" for all practical purposes...[/QUOTE]Actually Jake I'm mad at you. I was PMing before I left to Moscow asking for some guidance but in the end I had to figure out the things on my own. Hey, but I understand first I have to gain some reputation here then I can be a full member.

Never mind, but next time we should have some fun in a club or something! I strongly believe you could be one of my master! I hope I can return back soon as your explanation is just proving that the scene was in a bit in a sleepy mode. (but I've got the invitation for July, couldn't change it to September or October so wanted to get the maximum out of the situation).

Just to complete my mongering reports I have to mention freebies and clubs as I've got some experience about those ones too. I strongly believe finding freebies are relatively easy if that's the thing you are up for. I haven't put too much effort on it as it means a simple thing for me: complications. And if there is something I truly hate that are complications with girls. However been in some shops and coffees and some of those waitresses and assistants were smiling in a way you just can not misunderstand it. (and again I don't speak a single word in Russian).

So go for it! Try your luck and hunt them down!

The other thing I didn't plan to do is visiting strip clubs, another thing. I believe. Waste of time and money. But Moscow changed my mind! One of my colleague mentioned Deja Vu, on New Arbat street so we decided to head there on one of my final nights. Real luxury environment and the girls are just hot as the flames of hell. Well, if this is the down-season in Moscow I can not even imagine what could be the menu in peak-season. No disappointment at all. But had to keep in mind it's all about business and get my money out of my pocket. Those girls were not too pushy but would not miss the opportunity to ask for a drink, private dance or something. That's how it goes.

Too keep it short there were a blondinka I asked for a private dance and another tall, blue-eyed, brown beauty. Attached.

Basic English conversation about who-what-where-how and after 2 private dance changed phone number to meet after work. I was really eager to drill her as she was really hot on the stage and in the private dance.

So she came over to my hotel and we spent the whole morning just enjoying each other. A real wild-cat I found again. Full of energy and life and just continuously ready for having fun.

Would be great if the story ends here but then we decided to spend some time together out of the bed as well. Went for a late breakfast and OMFG, what a selfish bitchy attitude. I know I should not be surprised. After all what can you expect from a strip dancer, but still.

Couldn't wait to get rid of her as I was really dissappointed after having so much fun together. On the plane back I was still wondering should have gone for the blondinka, but it's a bit late now.

Came back home and to be perfectly honest I can't wait to go back to Russia. It was a great experience, would be difficult to forget and I wish you the same folks! Enjoy it!

[QUOTE=Kaboca;1452645]On the plane back I was still wondering should have gone for the blondinka[/QUOTE]Yeah, you'll be wondering about that for the rest of your life. But that's OK, there are far worse things in life to regret. And sometimes the fantasy can be better than the reality, as you discovered with the girl you brought home.

Thanks for all your posts, they are full of valuable details and good advice for anyone new to Moscow.

[QUOTE=Kaboca; 1452633]Actually Jake I'm mad at you. I was PMing before I left to Moscow asking for some guidance but in the end I had to figure out the things on my own. Hey, but I understand first I have to gain some reputation here then I can be a full member.

Never mind, but next time we should have some fun in a club or something! I strongly believe you could be one of my master! I hope I can return back soon as your explanation is just proving that the scene was in a bit in a sleepy mode. (but I've got the invitation for July, couldn't change it to September or October so wanted to get the maximum out of the situation).[/QUOTE]Sorry Kaboca, I am usually happy to help but I was out of the country for the past two weeks with sporadic access to the Internet. Please do look me up next time.

[QUOTE=Kaboca; 1452645]Just to complete my mongering reports I have to mention freebies and clubs as I've got some experience about those ones too. I strongly believe finding freebies are relatively easy if that's the thing you are up for. I haven't put too much effort on it as it means a simple thing for me: complications. And if there is something I truly hate that are complications with girls. However been in some shops and coffees and some of those waitresses and assistants were smiling in a way you just can not misunderstand it. (and again I don't speak a single word in Russian).

Came back home and to be perfectly honest I can't wait to go back to Russia. It was a great experience, would be difficult to forget and I wish you the same folks! Enjoy it![/QUOTE]Really nice report. Rarely found info about the freebie issue. Some guys hate to talk about it but it think Moscow Scene deserves to be talking about it. I had picked one last year and still in my mind. I am planning to come to Moscow on 7-11 August. Is there anyone will come up and join? But just confused about these end of August come get back provincers issue. I was there in 2010 in the beginning of September and the atmposphere was quite good. For P4P scene I strictly tell that from heart; Moscow is one of the worst in the world. (except strip clubs). Strip clubs here are far best in the world but WG's are so much and crazy expensive. I don't know maybe it was my clumsiness but if you can't find a good saloon to fuck with you really sucked up there. You can waste 2 months salary for a few days in Moscow. And be realistic you have to go and fuck after alll these strip-club sheet. You will have very low blood in your brain after a few hours in a strip club and you will go and give a sheet 300 USD to a 7 in Night-Flight. Anyway for freebie scene I repeat it's the far best option in Europe and if you have game you can get very nice girls in your bed in the end of the night. BR

I am currently sitting in the Turkish Airlines Business Lounge connecting in Istanbul on my way back home. I will once again write a full report on my way home but it won't be as detailed as the last except the cost breakdown. For now, I just want to say that this past Monday and Tuesday had to be among the most absolutely surreal days of my life. Through parts of it I really thought it had to be a dream. This just couldn't be me and these events can't possibly be real. 5 years ago I don't think I could even imagine it possible. Even 6 months ago I wouldn't believe it would be possible to have these experiences. If I only knew 20 years ago what I know now...

I will return to Russia. My next task is to make a concerted effort to improve my Russian. I actually impressed my devooshkas at times when I said some appropriately selected phrases. But my next project is to get out of Moscow and head east. Perhaps on a train. I am again and again drawn to this post:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?772-Other-Areas&p=1213476#post1213476[/url]

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1453077]For now, I just want to say that this past Monday and Tuesday had to be among the most absolutely surreal days of my life. Through parts of it I really thought it had to be a dream. This just couldn't be me and these events can't possibly be real.[/QUOTE]No, Yummy, you are not dreaming. You [i]were[/i] dreaming, and now you are awake.

And you're right, we would all have been much more dangerous 20 years ago, if we had known what we know now.

So, stop wasting time! ;)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1452730]Yeah, you'll be wondering about that for the rest of your life. But that's OK, there are far worse things in life to regret. And sometimes the fantasy can be better than the reality, as you discovered with the girl you brought home.

Thanks for all your posts, they are full of valuable details and good advice for anyone new to Moscow.[/QUOTE]Thanks Strav for the positive thinking! I apprecaite that!

If any of you guys going there and find a shy blondinka with a butterfly on her belly just tell her "it was love at first sight"! (the only problem was that I was falling in love with every second girl there, but that not that necessary to mention).

[QUOTE=Jake993;1452791]Sorry Kaboca, I am usually happy to help but I was out of the country for the past two weeks with sporadic access to the Internet. Please do look me up next time.[/QUOTE]No worries, I was just kidding and trying to be ironic but smiley's can not be used here.

How about beginning of October?

[QUOTE=Kaboca; 1453425]No worries, I was just kidding and trying to be ironic but smiley's can not be used here.

How about beginning of October?[/QUOTE]I should be here!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1453595]I should be here![/QUOTE]Jake, Strav,

I count on you folks, in October!

[QUOTE=Kaboca; 1452624]I tried to find her without luck so far. I called the number form this page:

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/en/d/girl?sid=21461&gid=52789[/url]

However there were 3 girls in the flat but if you got there would pretty easy to recognize her as she was the only 170-180 high, blond blue-eyed one. There was another dark short haired girl and another one with quite average appearance, short blond-brown hair, not sexy at all. Identifier? For some reason she kept saying "bitte schöand" in German, don't ask me why.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1451746]Yes, typically, the best memories of Russia are always those of what you [i]didn't[/i] Expect to happen.

Any info this girl; name, rank, serial number, identifying marks? Is she on the internet somewhere? Phone number maybe?[/QUOTE]Strav,

I found her! I found her! Finally I did.

I'm proud to present you Liliya:

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/en/d/girl?sid=30136&gid=147990[/url]

I'm more than 100% sure she is the girl I met over there.

Go for it! Good luck with her!

Hi. I'll be on Moscow next week and I'd like to get your opinion over a few things. I didn't want my first post to be questions so I actually started writing a report about my trip to Thailand this February. It seems like those posts will take a while to be processed so I wanted to get to the questions I have.

First things first, I'm from Turkey. 20s, passable when I'm smartly dressed. Not on a particularly tight budget. I travel alone.

I'm trying to read all the up-to-date posts in this thread and I still have no clear picture on my schedule. Trouble is I'm not organized. I have Monday night to Sunday morning. I'm already booked in moscow through 5 to 8th. (I'm sure that was free cancellation, turns out it was pay-at-booking date.) During this time I want to see St. Pete as well. (I'm really a big history / architecture buff so sightseeing is really important to me.) This is where you veterans come in.

You can help me get my schedule in order by answering these simple questions:

1) In Moscow, I'm booked for an apartment in Arbat. Problem is, I'm more of a LT guy. Can I call a girl to my place (from a site like dosug. CZ) , and sleep without nightmares? Or are Hotels a must for that kind of thing.

2) Or, bringing a WG to your room is a big no-no?

3) The most knowledgeable person I know about Russia (my dad) warned me against doing anything outside my Hotel. I see most of the reports here are people going to the girls apartments, massage parlor, club rooms, etc. Is it really safe?

3) Or, do you take extra security measure? Like never doing it alone, etc.

4) Which city do you think is superior in terms of night activities on a weekend; Moscow or St. Pete?

5) Is 1 day and night enough for St Pete? Or should I "burn" a day of my reservation in Moscow for an extra day in St. Pete?

6) In general, when going out for mongering, how much should I pack, should carry my credit cards, or use cash in clubs and bars?

7) Do you know any places with high chance to score freebies for a guy like me in Moscow?

Thanks for all the info in advance, I hope these are not too much trouble!

And I'm safely back with lotsa reports on 12th!

[QUOTE=Kaboca;1453876]I found her! I found her! Finally I did.[/QUOTE]180cm and 57Kg! Wow, she's a hefty one, but a real stunner.

She also has a listing on intimcity.nl, but with a different phone number.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=154842[/url]

968-576-68-32

Unfortunately , no reviews on sextalk, but there is a review on intimcity,

[i]I was with Liliya last week, stunning girl, pleasant and friendly with a beautiful voice. Remarkable body and excellent bust. Looks exactly like the picture. I can give her 5 points out of a possible five. With someone like Liliya you want to return again, and not only once.[/i]

A little pricey, she has her price listed as 10,000 руб. /hour. Are you sure she's the same one?

[QUOTE=Eadam; 1454287]Hi. I'll be on Moscow next week and I'd like to get your opinion over a few things. I didn't want my first post to be questions so I actually started writing a report about my trip to Thailand this February. It seems like those posts will take a while to be processed so I wanted to get to the questions I have.

First things first, I'm from Turkey. 20s, passable when I'm smartly dressed. Not on a particularly tight budget. I travel alone.

I'm trying to read all the up-to-date posts in this thread and I still have no clear picture on my schedule. Trouble is I'm not organized. I have Monday night to Sunday morning. I'm already booked in moscow through 5 to 8th. (I'm sure that was free cancellation, turns out it was pay-at-booking date.) During this time I want to see St. Pete as well. (I'm really a big history / architecture buff so sightseeing is really important to me.) This is where you veterans come in.

You can help me get my schedule in order by answering these simple questions:

1) In Moscow, I'm booked for an apartment in Arbat. Problem is, I'm more of a LT guy. Can I call a girl to my place (from a site like dosug. CZ) , and sleep without nightmares? Or are Hotels a must for that kind of thing.

2) Or, bringing a WG to your room is a big no-no?

3) The most knowledgeable person I know about Russia (my dad) warned me against doing anything outside my Hotel. I see most of the reports here are people going to the girls apartments, massage parlor, club rooms, etc. Is it really safe?

3) Or, do you take extra security measure? Like never doing it alone, etc.

4) Which city do you think is superior in terms of night activities on a weekend; Moscow or St. Pete?

5) Is 1 day and night enough for St Pete? Or should I "burn" a day of my reservation in Moscow for an extra day in St. Pete?

6) In general, when going out for mongering, how much should I pack, should carry my credit cards, or use cash in clubs and bars?

7) Do you know any places with high chance to score freebies for a guy like me in Moscow?

Thanks for all the info in advance, I hope these are not too much trouble!

And I'm safely back with lotsa reports on 12th![/QUOTE]Answers:

1. Apartment is fine.

2. Bringing a WG to your room in an apartment is just fine.

3. Security is not an issue if you bring only one girl at time. Most apartments lock from the inside and allow you to remove the key. Once you are inside, lock the door and hide the key. I prefer the freezer. Salons and strip clubs are quite safe. They invest in extensive security to make sure guests are safe. If anything happens to a foreigner, it's bad for business.

4. Both are great. Tough to differentiate. SPB has more salons in a concentrated area.

5. IMHO. 1 day is plenty.

6. Identification and cash. Leave credit cards in your room.

7. Unless you have some very serious "game" forget the freebies. You do not have enough time unless you have done the prep work like YummyPL. (see his posts) Sorry if I am being too blunt but being Turkish is going to make things a little more challenging. Remember that Russians (ESPECIALLY MUSCOVITES) are quite racist and will consider you to be "black" until they get to know you. Dude, you are not going to have enough time for people to get to know you.

Thanks for the answers Jake.

I actually share your view about freebies: my chances are slim at best. Especially considering the (well deserved) shitty reputation of Turkish Man. But you know, with the correct combination of vodka, loud music and luck. And man can have hopes. I think I'll try the bar / disco / club scene for at least one night. Not getting in to the hotspots due to Face Kontrol is what worries me.

About the apartment, do the WGs come to private apartments?

(Because in Istanbul, as far as I know, they only meet in trusted hotels unless they know you well.)

[QUOTE=Eadam; 1454287]Hi. I'll be on Moscow next week and I'd like to get your opinion over a few things. I didn't want my first post to be questions so I actually started writing a report about my trip to Thailand this February. It seems like those posts will take a while to be processed so I wanted to get to the questions I have.

First things first, I'm from Turkey. 20s, passable when I'm smartly dressed. Not on a particularly tight budget. I travel alone.

I'm trying to read all the up-to-date posts in this thread and I still have no clear picture on my schedule. Trouble is I'm not organized. I have Monday night to Sunday morning. I'm already booked in

And I'm safely back with lotsa reports on 12th![/QUOTE]I wish to visit Moscow instead wasting time in Kusadas&305; or Kemer when I was 20 s. I have all answers to your questions but just too tired to write here send me a pm if you want.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1454484]Answers:

1. Apartment is fine.

2. Bringing a WG to your room in an apartment is just fine.

3. Security is not an issue if you bring only one girl at time. Most apartments lock from the inside and allow you to remove the key. Once you are inside, lock the door and hide the key. I prefer the freezer. Salons and strip clubs are quite safe. They invest in extensive security to make sure guests are safe. If anything happens to a foreigner, it's bad for business.

4. Both are great. Tough to differentiate. SPB has more salons in a concentrated area.

5. IMHO. 1 day is plenty.

6. Identification and cash. Leave credit cards in your room.

7. Unless you have some very serious "game" forget the freebies. You do not have enough time unless you have done the prep work like YummyPL. (see his posts) Sorry if I am being too blunt but being Turkish is going to make things a little more challenging. Remember that Russians (ESPECIALLY MUSCOVITES) are quite racist and will consider you to be "black" until they get to know you. Dude, you are not going to have enough time for people to get to know you. [/QUOT.

Jake you are again too pessimist. Why they are giving free visa to us if that much negative to us or why millions of Russian come and visit turkey every year?

She's a very good-looking girl.

Are her boobs real or fakes?

10, 000 rubles per hour at exchange rate 33 Rubles per US$, she charges $300 per hour. That's steep for Russia.

Are there places with equal beauties with lower rates in Mscow or SPB?



Liliya.

Russia, Moscow.

Age. 26.

Height. 180.

Figure. Normal.

Breast size. 3.

Description.

Services.

Prices: 1 hour. 10000 rub 2 hours. 20000 rub.

( Near the Kutuzovskaja metr.

[QUOTE=Kaboca; 1453876]Strav,

I found her! I found her! Finally I did.

I'm proud to present you Liliya:

[url]http://www.dosug.cz/en/d/girl?sid=30136&gid=147990[/url]

I'm more than 100% sure she is the girl I met over there.

Go for it! Good luck with her![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1454373]180cm and 57Kg! Wow, she's a hefty one, but a real stunner.

She also has a listing on intimcity. Nl, but with a different phone number.

[url]http://www.intimcity.nl/persons.php?id=154842[/url]

968-576-68-32.

Unfortunately, no reviews on sextalk, but there is a review on intimcity,

[i]I was with Liliya last week, stunning girl, pleasant and friendly with a beautiful voice. Remarkable body and excellent bust. Looks exactly like the picture. I can give her 5 points out of a possible five. With someone like Liliya you want to return again, and not only once. [/i]

A little pricey, she has her price listed as 10, 000 &1088; &1091; &1073; . /hour. Are you sure she's the same one?[/QUOTE]Yepp, I'm sure she is the one! I recognize her. However I was not paying 10K because if you remember my report my plan was to visit Iren. As she mentioned that the price would be 10K I argued a bit and both agreed on 7K.

But honestly I visited 2 girl in the same 10K range and if I had to choose between them Liliya would definitely worth the money. Pricey indeed but this girl knows the business.

[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker; 1454554]She's a very good-looking girl.

Are her boobs real or fakes?

10, 000 rubles per hour at exchange rate 33 Rubles per US$, she charges $300 per hour. That's steep for Russia.

Are there places with equal beauties with lower rates in Mscow or SPB?

Liliya.

Russia, Moscow.

Age. 26.

Height. 180.

Figure. Normal.

Breast size. 3.

Description.

Services.

Prices: 1 hour. 10000 rub 2 hours. 20000 rub.

(Near the Kutuzovskaja metr.[/QUOTE]Luke,

Surely those ones were fakes. But not disappointing at all.

And indeed it is a bit pricey. But I'm not here to make extra marketing for Liliya but to share my experience. The choice is your.

There are various girls with different prices but my ultimate favourite was Nataliya. Best quality price range (for me) in Moscow. Please see my previous post about her.

May the force be with you!

[QUOTE=Eadam; 1454514]Thanks for the answers Jake.

I actually share your view about freebies: my chances are slim at best. Especially considering the (well deserved) shitty reputation of Turkish Man. But you know, with the correct combination of vodka, loud music and luck. And man can have hopes. I think I'll try the bar / disco / club scene for at least one night. Not getting in to the hotspots due to Face Kontrol is what worries me.

About the apartment, do the WGs come to private apartments?

(Because in Istanbul, as far as I know, they only meet in trusted hotels unless they know you well.) [/QUOTE]You will have NO problem getting a WG to come back to you apartment if you are in the center of Moscow.

As far as freebies go, by all means check out the scene. It's a blast and you may be more efficient than a lot of guys.

Back to Moscow, I am having a wonderful time (but not enough time to bang all my girlfriends + the new ones).

The fact that mamba banned the word 'sponsor' and the sexy photos did not change anything, there is still a bunch of girls who want sex.

I happen to answer to an elderly women, still 12 years less than me, her add was not sexy, neither were her pictures. We met at the metro University after my class. We chatted for some time walking around; she wanted to know if it was not a trap, if I was a serious guy, if nothing bad would happen to her. I said 'Hey, I am a serious man, I will treat you nice, but I am not looking for a serious relation' and I thought will would walk away. No! She kept talking, and eventually she asked for a present. So we went to my apartment. Her body is slim and firm, she likes sex and it was great.

Hoooo I love Russian women!

I've been very busy since my return. I am still writing my post on my 2nd trip to Moscow. While you wait, here are 5 more pics of Olga.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1458319]I've been very busy since my return. I am still writing my post on my 2nd trip to Moscow. While you wait, here are 5 more pics of Olga.[/QUOTE]Damn. That's some fine stuff Yummy. Very considerate of you. You will be happy to know that the hot weather has returned to Moscow. It seems a memo went out to all the girls saying that "winter is coming so you had better wear your sexy summer outfits while you can".

[QUOTE=Jake993;1458396]Damn. That's some fine stuff Yummy. Very considerate of you. You will be happy to know that the hot weather has returned to Moscow. It seems a memo went out to all the girls saying that "winter is coming so you had better wear your sexy summer outfits while you can".[/QUOTE]Argh. It was 18 and overcast almost every day I was there. I chose late July for warm weather but the weather did not cooperate.

Seriously. Is this site for real? All the photos looks professional. Are these women for real, or is this just a bunch of crap? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Chill Bill;1458679]Seriously. Is this site for real? All the photos looks professional. Are these women for real, or is this just a bunch of crap? Thanks![/QUOTE]Sure they are real. But it really IS amazing what you can do with photoshop.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1458872]Sure they are real. But it really IS amazing what you can do with photoshop.[/QUOTE]Ha! True as I am a amateur photographer and have played with Photoshop. I was just concerned about bait and switch. You call them, and someone completely different comes to you. Anyway, are most the of the phone numbers posted the girls actual cell phone? Or, do they go to some call center / agency?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Chill Bill;1459071]Anyway, are most the of the phone numbers posted the girls actual cell phone? Or, do they go to some call center / agency?[/QUOTE]Give them a call and see what happens. And let us know what you find out.

Hey guys,

First, this thread kicks ass! Great info! I have so many tabs open I don't know which girl to pick. I just got to Moscow and I have four more days to rip it up!

Is anyone up for hitting some strip clubs between tonight and next Monday?

I'm still deciding on a girl. I have this bi-polar attraction to women. I like really busty women, or really tight bodied ones. Unless its free then I'll tag anything from a 4-5 up. LOL

[QUOTE=Chill Bill; 1459071]Ha! True as I am a amateur photographer and have played with Photoshop. I was just concerned about bait and switch. You call them, and someone completely different comes to you. Anyway, are most the of the phone numbers posted the girls actual cell phone? Or, do they go to some call center / agency?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I hate to say it, but it really is luck of the draw. Having said that, I have rarely been disappointed and in 10 years of engaging in this "hobby" of ours, I have only sent two back.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1458319]I've been very busy since my return. I am still writing my post on my 2nd trip to Moscow. While you wait, here are 5 more pics of Olga.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting, YPL.

Love that photo #5, so classy in that elegant dress.

I bet you felt good with that on your arm! :)

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Great posts YPL! The women in this city are unreal. I've traveled a lot and have not seen this.

Just a heads up, I know someone has spoken about 911 Aurora, but this thread is massive and I can't find it. So FYI I had a blast.

Not hassled, its fully nude and they throw in a lot of shows.

After you pay to get in, you're escorted by a sexy hostess to the bar. Beer is 250 rbls.

All bartenders are topless.

Waitresses are braless in tight shirts but regularly go topless and do a show on top of the bar.

A hoop is lowered from the ceiling and two girls do a crazy gymnastics show. All the while stripping. They also do this great scissor move on each other!

Then all the girls come out on stage and parade around for you.

I'd say the lowest girl there was a 7. But I decided to get a private dance from her and it was one of the best I've had.

Just a few Cons:

I just don't have the cash to throw around like some guys do, so like any place, the hottest girls get taken by them.

You can tell that some of the girls are bored or not enjoying their night. I mean, we all have shitty days at work right?

One girl there just wanted to fuck. As soon as I went in to a private dance with her. But I quickly chuckled when she said 15,000 Rubles. She asked again later in the night.

I have a line on another there though. Great tits, nice pussy lips and big blow job lips. I'll let you know how it goes.

One more FYI- I went to Dolls it sucked more than the club in the shitty small town I grew up in. 1600 Rbls to get in. 380 for a beer. Out of the 5-6 dancers I watched, nursing my beer. One was good, and oddly because she danced really slow. It was pretty erotic but a few didn't even strip. I cut my losses and went back to Aruras.

[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1459791]Love that photo #5, so classy in that elegant dress.

I bet you felt good with that on your arm! .[/QUOTE]Gergiev, that is actually a very sheer night gown although obviously you cannot tell it is so sheer in the pictures. Nonetheless on our second date she was dresses exceptionally elegantly, And yes, it felt very good to have her on my arm.

It is the end of the weekend and I am still not done with my report so here is a picture of me and Katia together. I try not to havve my tongue hanging out all the time.

[QUOTE=Argyle80;1460417]One more FYI- I went to Dolls it sucked more than the club in the shitty small town I grew up in. 1600 Rbls to get in. 380 for a beer. Out of the 5-6 dancers I watched, nursing my beer. One was good, and oddly because she danced really slow. It was pretty erotic but a few didn't even strip. I cut my losses and went back to Aruras.[/QUOTE]Argyle80,

Glad you like Aurora 911. If you want variety, try one of the sister clubs like Penthouse, Angels, or The Loft. All the same management. All the same format. Many of the same girls. More fun than a barrel of monkeys!

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1460648]Argyle80,

Glad you like Aurora 911. If you want variety, try one of the sister clubs like Penthouse, Angels, or The Loft. All the same management. All the same format. Many of the same girls. More fun than a barrel of monkeys![/QUOTE]Thanks man, I felt silly going in there a third time but it was also nice to get a few smiles and hellos from the girls. The bartender even cracked a beer for me as she saw me walking in.

A few different girls there this time too. One A tall Redhead, slim and naturally stacked, my fav body type. I got two private dances from her and, well, man those tits. Anyway.

I hooked up with the one girl I described below and it was exactly what I wanted. She was great.

There is still one there, a very petite, cutest look blonde with shorter hair and hard nipples that I never got around to.

Where is Angels? A guy at Aurora's told me about it as well but when I search for it. It's not listed anywhere.

[quote=argyle80; 1460875]thanks man, i felt silly going in there a third time but it was also nice to get a few smiles and hellos from the girls. the bartender even cracked a beer for me as she saw me walking in.

a few different girls there this time too. one a tall redhead, slim and naturally stacked, my fav body type. i got two private dances from her and, well, man those tits. anyway.

i hooked up with the one girl i described below and it was exactly what i wanted. she was great.

there is still one there, a very petite, cutest look blonde with shorter hair and hard nipples that i never got around to.

where is angels? a guy at aurora's told me about it as well but when i search for it. it's not listed anywhere.[/quote][url]www.clubangels.ru[/url]

it's located at sadovaya-chernegovskaya. 8. about a 5 minute walk from krasnaya varota metro.

it's on the ring at about 2:00 o'clock.

this is the place that used to be the hungry duck. and before that it was music town. at one point in its history it was a music hall which why is has about a 24 meter ceiling. it has the be the tallest stripper pole i have ever seen. come to think of it, someone should call the guiness book of world records people!

they have all kinds of trapeze equipment there.

it's a slightly more intimate atmosphere when compared to aurora but still great.

check it out.

I second the points below. If you don't know Russian (well) you may struggle with the guidance on where to meet. If I am not mixing salons, I think for Charmel the meeting point is a Sberbank about 50 meters down the street from the unmarked entrance. You will stand there for anything from 2 minutes to (more likely) 20 minutes waiting for you have no idea whom, eyeing up all the passers by, and then suddenly, when you are about to give up, some young guy will walk up to you and ask a control question (I can't remember what it is, but perhaps something like your name (I. E. The one you have given on the phone to the dispatcher). If you can just get to this point the rest will work out. Somebody or other will speak some English (most likely quite well as this is a classy establishment) , and you will have a large selection of very beautiful girls to choose. It can be daunting and it can be difficult to get there, but but believe me it is worth it it. You may feel that it is dangerous, but I have done this type of thing very very many times and never had any problem whatsoever. The worst thing that can happen is that you don't get a BBBJ :). And there is a risk of that. Make sure to interview girls thoroughly. The amount of time and money people are spending in strip clubs is just unbelievable. In a salon you get straight to the real thing. It is also much better than chosing of the internet, because then the girl you get is not the same as the one one the picture. This way you have several real girls to choose from in the flesh, here and now and it is all real and efficient and immediate.

[QUOTE=MatAndr81; 1450843]Hey, here are some answers:

1. The price is 5000 per hour now.

2. You can have sex whatever times you need in this one particular hour.

3. Anal costs 5000 more. It's very expensive in these salons. I would not suggest to spend so much. However, I took two girls at once several times. It's also 10. 000 but the experience is amazing.

4. I don't know if they speak any English but a lot of girls in there do speak a little bit.

5. There is no clear address. Usually, they give you some landmark nearby and then the security guy takes you from there to the salon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1461373]I second the points below. If you don't know Russian (well) you may struggle with the guidance on where to meet. If I am not mixing salons, I think for Charmel the meeting point is a Sberbank about 50 meters down the street from the unmarked entrance. You will stand there for anything from 2 minutes to (more likely) 20 minutes waiting for you have no idea whom, eyeing up all the passers by, and then suddenly, when you are about to give up, some young guy will walk up to you and ask a control question (I can't remember what it is, but perhaps something like your name (I. E. The one you have given on the phone to the dispatcher). If you can just get to this point the rest will work out. Somebody or other will speak some English (most likely quite well as this is a classy establishment) , and you will have a large selection of very beautiful girls to choose. It can be daunting and it can be difficult to get there, but but believe me it is worth it it. You may feel that it is dangerous, but I have done this type of thing very very many times and never had any problem whatsoever. The worst thing that can happen is that you don't get a BBBJ :). And there is a risk of that. Make sure to interview girls thoroughly. The amount of time and money people are spending in strip clubs is just unbelievable. In a salon you get straight to the real thing. It is also much better than chosing of the internet, because then the girl you get is not the same as the one one the picture. This way you have several real girls to choose from in the flesh, here and now and it is all real and efficient and immediate.[/QUOTE]Cucumber,

Absolutely agree. Charm'El, Fantasys and Atel are all of the same quality. It's not dangerous. The first time it's a bit stressful because you are standing there on the sidewalk like an idiot not knowing whom to look for. Then some dude walks up and says your name and motions for you to follow. Hilarious. It's a high quality romp to be sure. But the next tier is a lot less streamlined and a lot more risky. Not risky in terms of personal safety but in terms of flakiness. IE. Not enough girls, or not enough good looking girls, bitchy girls. But again, the prices are a lot less so I suppose you get what you pay for. I know some Russian guys who ALWAYS go to the low end ones looking for the diamond in the rough. To each his own.

The three good ones almost always have a decent selection and the girls KNOW why they are there. And most of the time it's a good experience. What I have noticed these days is that more and more of the dispatchers are speaking English or they have SOMEONE there who speaks English and can give you instructions on how to get there. If there is no one who speaks English, they will just hang up. But don't worry. Call back a few hours later or on a different day and chances are someone can help you in English.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1461618]The three good ones almost always have a decent selection and the girls KNOW why they are there. And most of the time it's a good experience.[/QUOTE]Just to highlight what Jake said... the girls who work at Fantasys and Charmel are PRO's, this is their chosen career. They are not just shop girls looking to pick up a few extra rubles for the Prada handbag or a vacation to the Black Sea. They know why you're there, they know what you want and there really isn't much else to be said.

The hardest part is just getting in.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1461618]Cucumber,

Absolutely agree. Charm'El, Fantasys and Atel are all of the same quality. It's not dangerous. The first time it's a bit stressful because you are standing there on the sidewalk like an idiot not knowing whom to look for. Then some dude walks up and says your name and motions for you to follow. Hilarious. It's a high quality romp to be sure. But the next tier is a lot less streamlined and a lot more risky. Not risky in terms of personal safety but in terms of flakiness. IE. Not enough girls, or not enough good looking girls, bitchy girls. But again, the prices are a lot less so I suppose you get what you pay for. I know some Russian guys who ALWAYS go to the low end ones looking for the diamond in the rough. To each his own.

The three good ones almost always have a decent selection and the girls KNOW why they are there. And most of the time it's a good experience. What I have noticed these days is that more and more of the dispatchers are speaking English or they have SOMEONE there who speaks English and can give you instructions on how to get there. If there is no one who speaks English, they will just hang up. But don't worry. Call back a few hours later or on a different day and chances are someone can help you in English.[/QUOTE]Hi Jake,

Atel? That's the first time I see this salon name. Do they have website?

Thanks,

K

[QUOTE=Kaboca; 1464592]Hi Jake,

Atel? That's the first time I see this salon name. Do they have website?

Thanks,

K[/QUOTE]Hmmm. They used to have a web site at.

[url]www.atell.ru[/url]

But that seems to have disappeared.

They were located on Pokrovka just up the street from where it meets Sadovaya ring.

Maybe they closed down. Bummer.

In the weeks between when I left Moscow on 23 June and returned to Moscow on 23 July I continued to develop my relationship with Diana, Olga, and Lana. I made slight efforts to maintain my relationship with Marina and Svetlana. I also made positive contact with two new girls Olga (2) and Maria.

My original plan was to see Svetlana when I arrived on the evening of the 23rd, Marina on the evening of the 24th, Diana on the evening of the 25th, Lana on the evening of the 26th, and Olga on the evening of the 27th, while leaving the rest of the evenings and daytimes for impromptu meetings. I pretty much told all the girls that I would be arriving either the same day or the evening before I would see them except for Diana. Because she was in Samara, I told her my true dates.

The day before I arrive Diana told me she arrived in Moscow early. She was in my top 2 last time so I decided to tell Svetlana I could not see her but I would see her on the 25th.

Diana and I went out Tuesday evening. Nothing much new to report. We went to Chesterfield again like last time, drank lots of booze, got drunk, went on a walk, got to my apartment about 05:00, had great, passionate sex for about 2 hours when we both passed out. We did not wake up until 14:00. I was in a bit of a crisis mode as I was supposed to see Marina at 19:00 and I didn't know how to get rid of Diana. Obviously if I was waking up at 14:00, I didn't have work. I ended up texting Marina and telling her I could not make it because of work and that I would contact her again to arrange something.

Diana and I did not have sex that afternoon and that evening Diana and I went out for Sushi and at around 01:00 she said she had to go home (to her sister's house) because she had to get up at 07:00 the next morning to go to a doctor appointment. I was disappointed because I think I would have gotten first-time sex from Marina if I had kept that meeting. In any case, after Diana went home I went to Penthouse strip club. I have already given details of that. Iceberg asked why I chose Penthouse and the reason is that it is a block away from where I am staying and it was already 02:30 when I decided to go. I got home at around 06:00.

On Thursday afternoon when I woke up I contacted Svetlana and she said she couldn't meet because she wasn't feeling well. I contacted Marina who also said she couldn't meet. I contacted Olga #2 who gave me my third strike saying she could not meet. I contacted Diana and she came over again. We walked, drank at John Bull Pub, and went home around 01:00 and had great sexual activity for about 3 hours going to sleep at 04:00. Some time during the evening Diana had mentioned her friend who was also in town wanted to meet me. I said I would like to meet her and I was also interested in hosting a gathering at my place if she wanted to invite friends. I told her I had not hosted a party in years and I thought it would be fun. Diana is the least attractive of my girls but she is a reasonably pretty girl. Decent body (5'8', maybe 135 pounds) , fantastic kisser and super affectionate and excellent sex (although surprisingly not very tight for someone so young) , and only 19 years old. I like her a lot. We make out so heavily in Chesterfield that we have been warned by bouncers several times, and she initiates the kissing at least as often as I do. I told her I had to work at 10:00 on Friday and would be going down to Tula for the weekend with colleagues. I told her I would see her again on Monday. Another note, we just spent nearly 3 days together with 95% of our word communication happening on my IPAD translator. She speaks about as good English as I do Russian. We just get along very well.

So we got up at 08:00 after 4 hours of sleep, I walked her to the metro, and then I returned to my apartment, wrote Lana a text that I had arrived in Moscow, and went back to sleep until 12:00. I went shopping for food, and cleaned up my place in case Lana came home with me.

In the weeks between last time I was in Moscow and this time, Lana and I had been chatting a lot. Mostly on VK. Part of what came out of that chat is that she is not interested in sex for various reasons. I had considered dropping her but last time I was in Moscow there was something about her that really interested me. She is definitely the most attractive of my June girls with a sold 8 body and face for my taste. 22 years old, and speaks English very well. I wanted to see where I could get with her.

Well she shows up to the date in a white dress with a jacket. The dress is tight but conservative going down to her knees. Despite the conservative outfit, she looks HOT. The dress shows off her body, especially her ass. She is wearing black lingerie under the dress that you can very slightly see through it, and she is wearing thigh-high stockings that no other girl I have been with has done. She looked sexy as hell. At one point I told her she was beautiful and she responded 'I know. ' Christ, this was going to be a tough nut to crack. It is further complicated by the fact she drinks zero alcohol. In fact, Diana is really the only one of my girls that drinks.

We had a nice dinner and afterward we walked for a while. The real nice thing was that she didn't seem to have any problem with me touching her including walking around with my hand on her ass most of the time. The date we had last time I was in Moscow she only gave me a little kiss. I decided this was going to be my judging factor. If I tried to kiss her at this point, and she did not respond well, I was going to drop her after this date. I did try to kiss her and she kissed back but then started to laugh.

At this point I was confused, a bit irritated, and wanting to dump this girl. I started to walk her back up toward the metro and after walking maybe 100 meters she stopped me. I think she could tell I was irritated. She told me to kiss her again. I did and she responded very warmly. Her response was very nice. We kissed for a bit and she pulled back and suggested we continue our walk. We walked up New Arbat and then turned and walked down Old Arbat which at 01:00 in the morning was still quite busy. I stopped Lana again and kissed her deeply. Perhaps a bit too deeply because she pulled back from me. Argh. I just don't know. In any case, I figure I have been getting sex from Diana and I was sure I would get sex from Olga the next night, so why not continue playing this one. She has been relatively inexpensive and she was the most attractive of my girls so no harm in continuing. I liked walking with her next to me.

Fast forward a bit, after walking until around 02:00 she asked if I could take her home. What she wanted was me to get a cab and ride with her to her apartment. I agreed and hoped maybe she would invite me up. We got to her place and I got out with her. I asked if she was going to ask me up and she said no but that she hoped I would see her the next night. I hesitated, and she pulled me down to kiss her and she gave me a VERY passionate kiss. I told her I would see her the next night. Argh. Despite the challenge this girl was really doing it for me.

I get home around 03:30. I sleep until noon. I send an email to Olga that I would be arriving in the city around 19:00 but that I needed to meet colleagues when I arrived. I asked if she wanted to come over Sunday morning or if she wanted me to text her when I was done with my colleagues and she could come over to stay the night. She said to text her because she wanted to come over. I felt evil but it was her choice. I knew I was playing the odds because tonight was my third 'real' date with Lana and I wondered if three dates would be the magic number for her.

I get ready for my date and I meet Lana at around 18:00. It was raining and I took to a restaurant very close to the metro because I did not have an umbrella. We talked for a few hours and then went for a walk. We walked a few hours and kissed occasionally. Each time we kissed was warm and passionate. She is a really good kisser, not as good as Diana, but still very good. Around midnight I asked her if she wanted to go back to my place and she said 'I'm sorry, but not tonight. I must be home in the morning to meet with my friends. ' As I didn't expect her to go home with me so it was not a problem. Soon after that we were talking in a café and I excused myself to go to the bathroom. I texted Olga and told her I was sorry it was so late and I would be done soon and asked if she still wanted to come over. Her response was 'YES YES YES! ' I guess she still wanted to come over.

So again, I take Lana home in a taxi and returned to my apartment. In the taxi I texted Olga and told her she could come over. I arrive at my apartment and 15 minutes later Olga was there and looked very nice. She really does have a great body. When I met her outside she ran up to me and almost jumped into my arms. It was actually pretty funny and very sweet.

We went upstairs and I asked her if she wanted anything to eat or drink. She said she was tired and just wanted to go to bed. I agreed and we got ready for bed. Once in bed she started to kiss me. She tries real hard but she isn't a great kisser. Nowhere near the quality of Diana or Lana (Svetlana was not a great kisser either but she was otherwise very aggressive). She climbed on top of me and started kissing my chest and my mouth some more. I made a move to turn her on to her back and she stopped me and then worked her way down to give me a BJ. Again, not the greatest skill but not bad. After a while of that, I pulled her up and turned her on her back and started to climb on top of her. She was obviously very concerned about something so I asked her what was going on and in a very awkward way she informed me that her period had started earlier that day. It was pretty funny actually. I think she thought I would be mad. I assured her it was OK. She seemed very happy.

I told her not to worry, and I proceeded down her body and spread her legs. She had a string hanging out so I was good with that and I started to go down on her. I did that for maybe 5 minutes but she was obviously uncomfortable with it so I stopped and went up to kiss her again. She responded well. I asked her if she wanted to try to have sex. She agreed and went to the bathroom and took out her tampon and I grabbed a towel. I successfully got in her but after just a minute or so she said that it was uncomfortable so we stopped. We went and took a shower together, got back to the room, she started a BJ again and after doing that for 10 minutes or so she was obviously getting tired. She got off of me and turned over on her belly. She was inviting me to have anal sex with her.

I turned her over, continued to kiss her, and told her maybe tomorrow. It was 4 AM, I was tired, and I didn't want to start something that could end up being problematic so late in the evening. She gave me some nice kisses with a big smile.

Olga is very nice, VERY compliant, attractive with a very nice body, but she is not that exciting for me. She is pretty passive even though she is very willing. I would be interested in being a Dom with her but she just seems so nice. I am sure she would do it but she would be passive and I don't think she would enjoy it.

In any case, we woke up the next day (Sunday) around 13:00. We spent the day walking around Moscow and just hanging out. We had a couple of cheap meals and went back to my apartment around 22:00. Once back there we went to the bedroom for some fun. Lots of kissing, oral sex, and anal sex. It was a very slow start but once I got in she took it very well. I was very ready but I still took a while and when I came it felt like a fire hose (probably only a dribble but I like to dream). I told her I had to work in the morning so we went to bed around 02:00. We woke up at 07:00. I took her to the Metro at about 08:30. I went back to my apartment and texted Diana and we arranged to meet at 12:00. I slept for another hour or so and then got up to get ready.

I had a Cialis prescription with me but I rarely take them. Last time I was in Moscow I took a pill three times. Had sex 18 times in 8 days so they were helpful. I had not taken one yet but I had only had sex 5 times to completion so I was not sure I needed one. But I thought it was likely that I would be drinking heavily that night and they last 36 hours so I said why not and took one.

Between Friday morning and Monday Diana and I had written each other emails and texts to arrange things. I told her I was in Tula so she would not push to see me. I expressed a desire to have a party but we decided we would just meet up with her friend and go to a water park and then go to a club in the evening. It sounded good to me.

Diana has been clear to me that she isn't looking for a serious relationship where Olga and Lana clearly do want a serious relationship. Diana has encouraged me to have plenty of sex before I arrive because she doesn't want to frustrate me when I am with her. This is crazy because she is a sexual dynamo, but it is fun that she seems to have no issue with me being with other girls. I suspect she has several boyfriends, too. In any case, when we were making arrangements for the day, she told me her friend was very small, very thin, and very cute. I responded that it was cool and I was looking forward to meeting her and even made some suggestive comments but I kept it pretty low key. But secretly I was really looking forward to meeting her.

I met Diana at the metro near the water park and Katia wasn't with her. I was disappointed but I didn't ask where she was. Diana asked if we could get something to eat. I said yes and we went to a KFC (this is what she wanted). After finishing our meal, I asked if we should go to the water park and she said Katia would meet them in another 20 minutes and then we would go. I was happy.

When I saw Katia, I was more happy. Diana was exactly right. Tiny, thin, and VERY cute. Unfortunately it was rainy and sort of cold so she was in a sweatshirt and jeans. She was also carrying a small backpack. We went to the water park and going in Katia pulled out money to pay (Diana assumed I would pay) and I told her I would take care of it. Katia protested a little but Diana assured her it was OK. We go to our separate locker rooms and then a little later emerged on the other side.

Diana looked great in her bikini. Again, she is not super thin but she has a nice body. Katia on the other hand almost made my jaw drop to the floor. She had a skimpy little bikini on and her body was absolutely fucking fantastic. She is about 5'2' and 95 pounds (157 cm and maybe 43 kilos) , Not a flaw on her body, perfect firmness, slightest hint of abdominal muscle definition, firm everywhere but not hard, great puffy nipples (as I will find out later). Her bikini was not a thong bikini but otherwise it did not leave much to the imagination. She looked smoking hot.

I don't want to go into all the details but we were at the water park about 5 hours and both girls were flirting with me mercilessly. We were in the pool, on the water slides, and in the Jacuzzi. If any of you have ever seen the ED commercials, they say consult a physician if you have an erection that lasts more than 4 hours. I swear my erection lasted the entire time we were at the water park. I know that it was partially because of the Cialis, but it just wouldn't go away. There were probably 10 girls in the 18-25 age category at the park and I think I was with the #3 and #1 girl as far as looks and certainly as far as playfulness. I think I even had some Moscovite guys envious. I was in heaven.

After the water park we got dressed in what we had on when we met. We were going to eat at a café but it was busy so I asked if they wanted to go to Chesterfields early and eat there. They agreed. We head toward my neighborhood and arrive at Smolenskaya metro. I assumed we were going right over to the Restaurant but they said they wanted to go over to my apartment to change clothes. Ok by me.

When we got back to the apartment Katia went to the bathroom and Diana and I went to the bedroom. Every other night I had been with Diana she had worn jeans except one time when she wore a long dress. When we got to the room, she pulled out a skimpy little dress from her bag, and stripped. She and I fooled around but she made it pretty clear we were just changing and she insisted I get dressed. I put on my jeans, a button down shirt, and Boss jacket. I do French cuffs, a pocket square, and I put on some fun socks and nice shoes. I was not worried about getting in the club on a Monday night but still wanted to dress well. Once I was done I attacked Diana and she responded very well. She looked hot in a tight little black dress and heals. We are laying on the bed with me on top of her when Katia walks in and turns around and walks out at which point Diana hits me on the head and we get up off the bed.

Diana calls Katia into the room and she enters. OMG, she looked almost as hot in a skimpy little red dress as she did in her bikini. It was very short and skin tight. Neither Diana nor Katia wore hosiery. When I was on top of Diana I was pressed against her thong covered pussy. I knew that Katia had to also be wearing almost nothing under her dress because she definitely had no panty lines and her nipples were clearly visible through the material.

We walk to Chesterfields. It is maybe 2 blocks away and I am walking with two very hot girls. I was very happy. When we arrive at the restaurant we found out that there was a live band playing that night and that they were running a special for 3 people where it was 2400 Rubles for all the alcohol you could drink in the bar area. I paid the cover and we went to the bar. There was a corner booth but it was connected to other tables. Katia got on the inside and then Diana and I sat on the outside. We talked mostly through the Ipad translator. It was too loud to really talk even if we spoke each other's language well.

I won't give full details of the evening at the restaurant but I will give you some highlights.

The bartenders were very good about drinks. They took the 'all you can drink' thing seriously and the start of the night the waitress had had put new drinks on our table before we were done with the ones we already had. We had 3 cocktails each within the first hour or so.

We ordered food and Katia hesitated but I told her to order absolutely anything she wanted and that it was no problem at all. She ordered a salad with shrimp. Probably $20 but I certainly did not care. That was nothing compared to what I was getting from her.

We ordered a Hookah and both of them enjoyed that.

After the first hour Diana said something to Katia and then started to get out of the booth we were in by climbing on my lap and scooting across me with her ass on my crotch between me and the table. And then Katia did the same thing. OMG. They could have easily asked me to get up but didn't. Katia could have scooted the other direction on the table and gone around the other side, but she didn't. This probably happened about 4-5 times through the night. At one point I grabbed a good handful of Katia's basically bare ass and she elbowed me in the ribs. I laughed. After about 2 hours (maybe 22:00 but I don't know, I was drunk) when they got up to get more drinks (waitress no longer serving us) , I scooted over so I would be in the middle when they returned. Katia still sat on the inside so now she was the only one scooting across my lap. She obviously knew the effect this attention was having. I don't have a really big dick by any means but it is far from small and she had pressed her ass against it well over a dozen times that day.

When Diana was up getting more drinks for us (we probably had 5-6 half drank cocktails on our table already) I started giving Katia a back rub with one hand. She acted a little irritated and pointed toward Diana and said 'Diana. ' I grabbed the Ipad and wrote 'Katia, I flirt with you. You are fun and sexy. But I am here with Diana and I only want Diana. ' I was drunk but I remember the message clearly. She gave me a big smile and seemed satisfied and from that point on she was even more affectionate and she was more open to my overt flirting. Of course it could be that this 95 pound girl had about 10 drinks inside her at this point, but who knows.

At one point in the night, probably a little after 11, I was sitting between Diana and Katia. Each were leaning against me on their respective sides. Both had their hands on me and both had their heads on my shoulders. I was writing some stuff on my Ipad about the music that the band was playing (they played 'Knocking on Heaven's Door') and there was a pause in the music. Diana pulled my head to her and gave me a wonderful kiss, the first real sensual one at the club that night, and about that time the band started playing 'Back in the USSR' (the Beatles song).

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I'm back in the USSR.

You don't know how lucky you are boy.

Back in the USSR. (Yeah)

Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case.

Honey disconnect the phone.

I'm back in the USSR.

You don't know how lucky you are boy.

Back in the USSR.

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I leaned back in the chair and looked around the room I was in, there were beautiful Russian girls everywhere and two of the best looking ones were snuggling up against me. I had a huge smile on my face, and I know both girls noticed it.

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Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out.

They leave the West behind.

And Moscow girls make me sing and shout.

That Georgia's always on my mind.

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As I mentioned in a previous post, I was transformed in a way. Clearly I was drunk, but not like the girls. I am a solid 200 pounds, and at that moment my mind felt crystal clear. I could see, feel, taste, smell, and hear the world clearly. It was surreal in a way I have never experienced previously in my life. I could not imagine being happier than I was at that moment.

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Oh, show me around your snow-peaked mountains way down south.

Take me to your daddy's farm.

Let me hear your balalaika's ringing out.

Come and keep your comrade warm.

I'm back in the USSR.

Hey you don't know how lucky you are boys.

Back in theUSSR.

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Katia started moving her body dancing in place to the music. Diana was hugging me tight. My hands roamed freely on their bodies without protest.

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Oh let me tell you, honey.

Hey, I'm back!

I'm back in the USSR.

Yes, I'm free!

Yeah, back in the USSR.

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At the end of the song Katia gave me a big, warm (but short) kiss and then Diana pulled me to her and gave me another passionate kiss that lasted for several minutes. At the end of the kiss I was pulled slightly back to reality when the hookah person came by to recharge the hookah. I didn't recapture that feeling for the rest of the night but am still thinking of it every day.

At around 01:00 things changed dramatically. Katia got a call from her mother (she is visiting her mother in Moscow for the summer) and her mother wanted her to come home. Apparently she was very worried about her and could tell she was drunk. Katia was almost crying when she was on the phone. She was obviously very upset. She didn't want to leave but she also didn't want her mother upset. I told her I would get her a cab. She talked with Diana for a few minutes and then asked me to take her back to the apartment and get a cab and Diana would stay at the club to hold our table. I didn't really want Diana to stay but they insisted.

So Katia and I left Chesterfields and walked back to my apartment. The whole time Katia was pressed tightly against me and I had my arm around her (it was cold, probably 16 degrees). I gave her my jacket to wear. She seemed very happy with that. When we got back to my apartment she grabbed her things and stripped down completely naked in front of me except for her thong—what a divine sight. I kept my distance and I think I made the right choice doing so. She quickly got back dressed in her jeans and sweatshirt and we were out the door again. A few moments later I had her in a cab and she was on her way home and I returned to the club. I was gone from Chesterfields maybe 20-30 minutes.

I met Diana back at our table. We didn't drink much more but we danced and kissed and had fun. We had a pretty good time for the rest of the night and sex was good when we got back to the apartment at around 04:00. I was a little unhappy that Katia had to leave and I was a bit unhappy that this was the last night that I expected to see Diana so my mood declined. I should have just basked in the glory of what I had but sometimes one cannot control how their mood will change especially after a lot of alcohol.

The next day we woke up at 10. Diana was returning home that day and I was leaving the next. During breakfast Diana tells me that Katia likes me. Diana has made it clear that she is only interested in me for fun. This is in clear contrast to all the others who are obviously interested in a 'serious' relationship even though I have not told any of them that is my intention. I laughed it off with Diana and downplayed my interest in Katia. But I was starting to see this as my first 'referral. ' I could only dream. I put Diana in a taxi around 12:00.

I go back to my apartment and contact Lana and asked her about seeing me that night. She says she is available at 18:00. I have no expectation that I will spend the night with Lana so I contact Olga and tell her I am going out with colleagues again that night and asked her if she wanted to come over afterward and we could spend the day together on Wednesday and she could accompany me to the airport. I didn't really expect much quality action from Olga because of her period but it would be nice to sleep next to her whatever we did. I figured I could be a real bastard and blow her off if Lana did go home with me.

I saw Lana again. She asked me to come up to her neighborhood this time. Again she looked hot and was dressed very nicely. She was definitely dressed to impress. We had a nice dinner and good conversation and some very nice kissing. We walked back to her place and I asked if she was going to invite me up. She knew I was leaving the next day. She said she wanted to but her roommate was home and would absolutely freak out if she did. She gave me an incredible good night kiss. She called a taxi for me and we kissed until it arrived.

It was 02:00 and I called Olga and asked if she still wanted to see me. I had woken her up and she said yes. I told her I was in a cab headed home and asked if she wanted me to stop at her place to pick her up. She said yes. I gave the taxi driver the address to go to.

After we started moving, I was thinking to myself that I am in a taxi where the driver just drove up on me deeply kissing one girl and we were about to go pick up another girl. This coupled with the fact that I do not know much Russian concerned me. Would he say anything to Olga?

In any case, we arrive at Olga's apartment. I text her I am there. She comes down moments later with some plastic bags. She had cooked dinner for me thinking I would see her early enough to have dinner. It was nearly 03:00 in the morning. She only seemed happy to see me. No negativity at all.

We arrive at my apartment and either the driver didn't say anything to her or Olga didn't care. I get to the external door and discovered my electronic door lock FOB had fallen off my keys. We were locked out. We called the apartment owner and she said no one could come until morning but we could try to buzz other apartments. I didn't really want to do that so I looked to see if I could get to any windows I left open in my apartment. My apartment was only on the second floor but the windows were not accessible (which is probably good) but I did see a window in a stairwell that was open on around the third floor I thought I could get to. So I took off my shoes and started to climb. I made it up quite easily. Olga was clapping with a huge smile on her face and when I came down to open the door she jumped into my arms and called me her hero. Nice.)

The rest of our time together was uneventful. About 10:00 she woke me up with a blowjob. She did that a little while and turned on her belly (I assume inviting anal again) but I just rubbed my dick between her ass cheeks and then jerked off and blew my load between her cheeks. Nice site. She has a great, firm ass.

She prepared the food she brought as I packed my stuff. We ate the food and it was quite good. We checked out of my apartment and took a taxi to the train station. I put my luggage in storage and then we spent the afternoon at the Tretyakov gallery before going to the airport for my 21:35 flight. Thus ending my second trip to Moscow.

Epilogue:

Since I have returned Lana and I have been in daily contact mostly through Skype. While we have not been overtly sexual, it is clear she wants to have sex with me the next time we are together. She asked if I wanted her to fly down to see me in Stuttgart and I suggested we meet in Prague instead. We are scheduled to be together for 5 nights in Prague 3-8 September.

I was chatting with Diana after the trip and maybe 3 days after I got home Diana sends me a message that says 'Katia says 'HELLO! '. She is interested in you. ' I expressed my doubts to Diana but I sent Katia a note and we have been in daily contact since then. She wants me to visit her in Samara in October for a week or more. I will do everything in my power to make this happen. I have not said anything to Diana and I don't know if Katia has. As I was telling Jake and YellowPaul, if I can get Katia as a "freebie", it would be the crowning sexual achievement of my life-and I am not really even trying. To me she is a solid 9. She has a very attractive face—maybe a 7+, and she pretty much has a perfect 10 body for my taste. I have seen it up close and personal for many hours and I cannot think of a single thing I would change about it. Plus she is fun, flirty, intelligent, speaks OK English and is 19 years old. At my ripe old age of 45, I cannot imagine getting better.

I have been trying to decide what to do next. I will be in Prague for less than a week and it seems like a waste to fly over to Europe for only 6 days. I should move back again. In any case, my five possibilities are to stay in Prague for a few extra days and see what I can dig up there, go to Stuttgart and see my harem at FKK Sakura, join YellowPaul in Kiev for a few days, drive up to Krakow for a few days to find some Polish pussy, or fly to Moscow and see Olga for a few days.

I am tending toward Kiev or Moscow. Olga says her flat-mate will be out of town and I could stay with her. That would mean that the trip would be very inexpensive. I would use points for the flight, and with a free place to stay I think I could have 4 nights with Olga for less than $400 total. She also seems to be warming up to the idea of more erotic photos. That would be a treat. She also works a lot so I would have my daytimes free to explore other fruits in Moscow.

That's it for now...

A local Russian friend suggested I try this club. R 1, 000 to enter. Pretty small overall with lots of couches. 20 girls. About 6. 8 as far as looks. They are really all over you. Wanting you to pick them. They have upstairs rooms for full sex and small rooms downstairs for BJs, etc. Girls start asking for R 10, 000 but will go down to R 7, 000 for full sex. BJ about R 4, 000. One girl dances in the center with a pole. But NOT nude.

I spoke to several and then decided on one I saw dancing who I made a lot of eye contact with. She came right over when she was done and had a SMOKIN' HOT body. Best ass I've ever seen. Must be from all her dancing. Pretty girl from Kazakhstan. Ever so slight Asian look to her. But what a BODY! Nice tight pussy too!

[quote=yummypl; 1466386]in the weeks between when i left moscow on 23 june and returned to moscow on 23 july i continued to develop my relationship with diana, olga, and lana. i made slight efforts to maintain my relationship with marina and svetlana. i also made positive contact with two new girls olga (2) and maria.

my original plan was to see svetlana when i arrived on the evening of the 23rd, marina on the evening of the 24th, diana on the evening of the 25th, lana on the evening of the 26th, and olga on the evening of the 27th, while leaving the rest of the evenings and daytimes for impromptu meetings. i pretty much told all the girls that i would be arriving either the same day or the evening before i would see them except for diana. because she was in samara, i told her my true dates.

the day before i arrive diana told me she arrived in moscow early. she was in my top 2 last time so i decided to tell svetlana i could not see her but i would see her on the 25th.[/quote]yummy. great post. great adventure. i am speechless. congratulations for your success and thanks also for sharing it such detailed. i read the whole report. so your experiences is a clear evidence that someone can only speak english still have seriosu chance to have fun in ee. i will use the ispeak translator.

note: i understand your feeling about the happiest moment of my life thing. i had experienced it sometimes before. impressive.

regards.

YummyPL.

Our reports fail miserably in comparison to yours. Thank you. However I don't get how you manage to find those girls. Is it just mambaru?

Iceberg27.

I tried the translator thing a bit with one of the WG's, it is manageable but I think it is only feasible to when the girl is willing.

[QUOTE=WanderTheWorld; 1466950]YummyPL.

Our reports fail miserably in comparison to yours. Thank you. However I don't get how you manage to find those girls. Is it just mambaru?

Iceberg27.

I tried the translator thing a bit with one of the WG's, it is manageable but I think it is only feasible to when the girl is willing.[/QUOTE]And if you have an internet connection. I also downloaded iphone version.

[QUOTE=WanderTheWorld;1466950]However I don't get how you manage to find those girls. Is it just mambaru?[/QUOTE]WtW, I explain that in my June report. I knew Olga, Lana, and Diana from my previous trip. Not Mamba but a different paid dating site. It took literally a couple hundred hours of pre-arrival work to have my prospects lined up.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1466970]And if you have an internet connection. I also downloaded iphone version.[/QUOTE]I use my Ipad mini with a sim card so I have internet everywhere in Moscow.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1466386]I leaned back in the chair and looked around the room I was in, there were beautiful Russian girls everywhere and two of the best looking ones were snuggling up against me. I had a huge smile on my face, and I know both girls noticed it.I could see, feel, taste, smell, and hear the world clearly. It was surreal in a way I have never experienced previously in my life. I could not imagine being happier than I was at that moment.[/QUOTE]Congratulations, Grasshopper, sounds like, for just a brief moment, you entered a parallel universe.

As always, thanks for the excellent, detailed report.

I can't help but be curious... you are in Moscow for only a few days and are on a very tight schedule, juggling all your dyevushki, it seems Olga is ready and willing at a moments notice, but how do the rest react when you call (or text) at the last minute and tell them that you have to change your plans because of work or colleagues? Do you think they honestly believe you? Do they just go along with the lie because it's expected, or more convenient? Do you get any pushback from them?

Still don't understand your fascination with Diana.

Hope you're having fun in Prague, and good luck with Katya.

BTW - I don't think we ever got a picture of your socks... :)

Can anyone recommend a transportation service in Moscow. I used [url]www.gotoru.com[/url] Many times, but have a difficult time communicating and they only take Visa, American Express is my prefered card.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Johntodd; 1468630]Can anyone recommend a transportation service in Moscow. I used.

[url]www.gotoru.com[/url]

Many times, but have a difficult time communicating and they only take Visa, American Express is my prefered card.

Thanks[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.taxi-in-moscow.com/[/url]

Very reputable and very good. English speaking dispatchers. Unfortunately they do not take Amex.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1469295][url]Http://www.taxi-in-moscow.com/[/url]

Very reputable and very good. English speaking dispatchers. Unfortunately they do not take Amex.[/QUOTE]Jake, thanks. Note your mailbox is full.

Does anyone have any suggestions for places of activity close to the Sheraton Hotel?

I stayed there last year went to Cayotee Ugly, but struck out.

I once forun an escort service for about $100 that was good, but lost the name.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1468455]I can't help but be curious. You are in Moscow for only a few days and are on a very tight schedule, juggling all your dyevushki, it seems Olga is ready and willing at a moments notice, but how do the rest react when you call (or text) at the last minute and tell them that you have to change your plans because of work or colleagues? Do you think they honestly believe you? Do they just go along with the lie because it's expected, or more convenient? Do you get any pushback from them?

Still don't understand your fascination with Diana.

BTW. I don't think we ever got a picture of your socks. .[/QUOTE]Well, I don't really know the answer to your question. I have basically ended it with Marina and Svetlana. Svetlana still wanted to see me but I was just not that interested even though she was very attractive and very sexual. I just basically stopped contacting Marina. As I was telling YellowPaul, youth is the single most important thing for me. I would rather have a 19 year old with 7 level looks than a 30 year old 8+. As long as she is fun, youth turns me on far more than beauty.

Do you mean my fascination with Lana? If you do mean Diana, the answer is what I just said. She is very young and very fun. While not the best looking of my bunch, she is really fantastic in many ways.

I'm sorry about the socks picture. I am failing in my responsibilities. I will get on that ASAP.

[QUOTE=Johntodd;1469823]Jake, thanks. Note your mailbox is full.[/QUOTE]Sorry dude. It has been emptied.

[QUOTE=Johntodd; 1469826]Does anyone have any suggestions for places of activity close to the Sheraton Hotel?

I stayed there last year went to Cayotee Ugly, but struck out.

I once forun an escort service for about $100 that was good, but lost the name.

Thanks[/QUOTE]If you are looking for a salon, Charm'El is about 30 minutes on foot from the Sheraton.

There are also SCADS of massage places about 5 minutes walk towards Belorusskaya station. Sex is optional.

Here's one [url]http://www.edem-club.ru/english[/url]

I am not sure how it is now, but the Sheraton used to have their own "approved" girls working the lobby.

Which made it VERY difficult for non-approved girls (escorts) to come to your room.

Just a heads up.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1469934]If you are looking for a salon, Charm'El is about 30 minutes on foot from the Sheraton.

There are also SCADS of massage places about 5 minutes walk towards Belorusskaya station. Sex is optional.

Here's one.

[url]http://www.edem-club.ru/english[/url]

I am not sure how it is now, but the Sheraton used to have their own "approved" girls working the lobby.

Which made it VERY difficult for non-approved girls (escorts) to come to your room.

Just a heads up.[/QUOTE]Jake thanks for the help. Is there a map that shows the massage places close to the Sheraton?

Last time I stayed at the Sheraton was about 2 years ago, I did not see any talent in the lobby bar. I did call a service, paid about $100, was a decent session, unfortunately I lost the name of the place.

In the past two years I stayed at the Capitol Hotel, it was dead, the Hilton, again dead, and a few months ago at the Renossance, I went to the Loft, but again struck out.

I did walk to a few places when I stayed at the Sheraton, but I lost the active map I had.

Does anyone know if there is a current map of Moscow that shows interesting places?

I used to use : [url]http://bitchmaps.com/kmz/sp.kmz[/url]

The map no longer works, it used to show all the variuos interesting establishments.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Johntodd; 1468630]Can anyone recommend a transportation service in Moscow. I used.

[url]www.gotoru.com[/url]

Many times, but have a difficult time communicating and they only take Visa, American Express is my prefered card.

Thanks[/QUOTE]If you don't mind paying cash, do it local style. Stand out in the street and someone will pull over and let you in. The fun part is trying to explain where you want to go and hope like hell the driver goes there. Makes for a much more entertaining ride at about half the rate of a taxi and the guys usually have some good tunes in their personal cars.

TT

[QUOTE=The Tanuki; 1470852]If you don't mind paying cash, do it local style. Stand out in the street and someone will pull over and let you in. The fun part is trying to explain where you want to go and hope like hell the driver goes there. Makes for a much more entertaining ride at about half the rate of a taxi and the guys usually have some good tunes in their personal cars. .

TT[/QUOTE]Noone knows any street in Moscow. 99% of the drivers including locals are using navigators to find even very central streets. Something make me very surprised and find it strange. Very strange. Noone knows the city.

I will be staying at the Sheraton Airport Location, any suggestions in that area?

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=Johntodd; 1471005]I will be staying at the Sheraton Airport Location, any suggestions in that area?

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Good luck! I think you will have a hard time getting any action I am afraid. When you check in to the hotel, get a copy of Moscow times. Perhaps one of the escort services will send a girl out. Apart from that, you might have a chat with the door man at the hotel. Sorry dude, it's not going to be easy.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1470977]Noone knows any street in Moscow. 99% of the drivers including locals are using navigators to find even very central streets. Something make me very surprised and find it strange. Very strange. Noone knows the city.[/QUOTE]Moscow is an immense metropolis, that is becoming more immense every day. Also, in Moscow, as in New York, the majority of the taxists are not native Muscovites, so it's not surprising that a GPS is necessary to get around.

Plus, there is another advantage to a GPS in Moscow: finding an alternate route, which is what you constantly have to do in Moscow when you encounter the dreaded "probka" (traffic jam).

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[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1466386]In the weeks between when I left Moscow on 23 June and returned to Moscow on 23 July I continued to develop my relationship with Diana, Olga, and Lana. I made slight efforts to maintain my relationship with Marina and Svetlana. I also made positive contact with two new girls Olga (2) and Maria.

My original plan was to see Svetlana when I arrived on the evening of the 23rd, Marina on the evening of the 24th, Diana on the evening of the 25th, Lana on the evening of the 26th, and Olga on the evening of the 27th, while leaving the rest of the evenings and daytimes for impromptu meetings. I pretty much told all the girls that I would be arriving either the same day or the evening before I would see them except for Diana. Because she was in Samara, I told her my true dates.

The day before I arrive Diana told me she arrived in Moscow early. She was in my top 2 last time so I decided to tell Svetlana I could not see her but I would see her on the 25th...[/QUOTE]I'm a lurker I really enjoy your post, you have changed my attitude about eastern Europe. I just graduated from law school and I speak some Mandarin so I was going to look for a position in China or Hong Kong to indulge my "yellow fever" but your post make me think I could have a lot of fun in Russia or the Ukraine. Life seems good for you there. You are the man. I am looking forward to more detailed post about your escapades.

I will be in Moscow on 22nd of September.

Can anyone helpme finding contacts of young Russian girls please?

[QUOTE=Kuvvetli;1473282]I will be in Moscow on 22nd of September. Can anyone helpme finding contacts of young Russian girls please?[/QUOTE]Come on man. Don't be so lazy. There is TONS of good information here. RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum). Hint - sort on my posts alone and you will find enough good information to last you all week. Expand the search and you have enough info to keep you happy for a year. But please don't come in here with 2 posts and expect us to hand it to you on a silver platter.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1471715]Moscow is an immense metropolis, that is becoming more immense every day. Also, in Moscow, as in New York, the majority of the taxists are not native Muscovites, so it's not surprising that a GPS is necessary to get around.

Plus, there is another advantage to a GPS in Moscow: finding an alternate route, which is what you constantly have to do in Moscow when you encounter the dreaded "probka" (traffic jam).[/QUOTE]Traffic jam is ok Stravinski. I was already thinking where to go again.
Rio or Moscow or New York?
What do you think?

I only speak english. I am much more after freebies.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1473301]Come on man. Don't be so lazy. There is TONS of good information here. RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum). Hint - sort on my posts alone and you will find enough good information to last you all week. Expand the search and you have enough info to keep you happy for a year. But please don't come in here with 2 posts and expect us to hand it to you on a silver platter.[/QUOTE]Thanks Jake, my sentiments exactly. But I'm glad to let you be the "bad cop" now and then. ;)

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1473391]Traffic jam is ok Stravinski. I was already thinking where to go again.
Rio or Moscow or New York?
What do you think?

I only speak english. I am much more after freebies.[/QUOTE]Well, if you only speak-a dee eenglish, then your choices are very limited.

Actually, they are... none.

Why on Earth would you want to go to New York? It is a sexual wasteland. It wasn't bad in the 70's and 80's, but Giuliani put and end to that, long time ago.

Rio could be interesting, but there are many places in SA. Some place like Buenos Aires could be a good consolation prize, if you can't make it to Moscow.

Hables Espanol senor? (I know, I know, but I don't have a Spanish keyboard)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1473408]Why on Earth would you want to go to New York? It is a sexual wasteland. It wasn't bad in the 70's and 80's, but Giuliani put and end to that, long time ago.[/QUOTE]I agree with Strav. New York is horrible for finding young, attractive freebies for old fucks unless you are throwing around lots of cash. No point at all.

If you don't mind darker girls then the Dominican Republic is pretty amazing. Not really freebies but it is easy to find girls that will give you excellent GFE service (I mean GREAT service-whatever you like with a great attitude) for well less than $100 USD for a whole night. Just read this forum and stay away from the resorts. Also, I doubt they are racist against Turks and only English is no problem. I think it is by far the best sex-tourism destination in the Western Hemisphere.

Of course if you want stunningly beautiful white girls, stick to Eastern Europe.

Hi friends,

A quick tip about this club. I was in the one located in Korston Hotel almost one year ago but honestly I didn't like it too much, small club and poor assortment. The one and the city center is totally different or not?

Thank you.

Bye

[QUOTE=Tatoosun; 1474068]Hi friends,

A quick tip about this club. I was in the one located in Korston Hotel almost one year ago but honestly I didn't like it too much, small club and poor assortment. The one and the city center is totally different or not?

Thank you.

Bye[/QUOTE]Aurora 911, Penthouse, The Loft and Angels are all MUCH bigger than Korston event though they are owned by the same group and have a similar format.

In case anyone stays at the new Sheraton Airport Hotel, there is absolutely no action there, I think there is more activity at the morgue than the Sheraton.

The hotel rooms are very nice, but the service is awful, the place is dead, there is absolutely nothing happening in the area surrounding the hotel.

I called an old contact, she wanted an extra 400 rub added to her fee for taxi.

I will be in Moscow and stay in Korston Hotel on 22nd of September. I am looking for a girl to stay for the night. Can anyone help me on this please?

You'll finde several girls in the lobby.

[QUOTE=Kuvvetli;1474647]I will be in Moscow and stay in Korston Hotel on 22nd of September. I am looking for a girl to stay for the night. Can anyone help me on this please?[/QUOTE]

Hi gang, I'll be staying at the above mentioned hotel and I'd love to find an incall escort or massage parlour close by. Any intel? Normally this is easy but I'm having little luck with Moscow!

I have been using Massage salons a few times in the past.

Unfortunately I have not been able to receive full service (I. E. Sex) so far. I do not speak Russian well, so I am asking for your advice when to adress this?

Already with Mama (probably not) , or better directly with the girl in the room?

And how much would be a fair price? Massage is typically RUB 1900 / hour.

I asume that I would pay the girl directly.

Thanks.

Raptor

[QUOTE=Sailorman2010;1476657]Hi gang, I'll be staying at the above mentioned hotel and I'd love to find an incall escort or massage parlour close by. Any intel? Normally this is easy but I'm having little luck with Moscow![/QUOTE]There's a salon within 10 minutes walk from the Hilton.

[url]http://www.elit.tv/[/url]

Other than that, get a copy of the Moscow Times and look in the classified section.

Plenty of call in.

[QUOTE=Raptor 09;1476842]I have been using Massage salons a few times in the past. Unfortunately I have not been able to receive full service (I. E. Sex) so far.[/QUOTE]Try Erotic Massage, [url]www.erotic-massage.ru[/url] It's the only massage in Moscow that provides "imtime service". Not sure if they can communicate in English, but it's worth a try.

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1473435]I agree with Strav. New York is horrible for finding young, attractive freebies for old fucks unless you are throwing around lots of cash. No point at all.

If you don't mind darker girls then the Dominican Republic is pretty amazing. Not really freebies but it is easy to find girls that will give you excellent GFE service (I mean GREAT service-whatever you like with a great attitude) for well less than $100 USD for a whole night. Just read this forum and stay away from the resorts. Also, I doubt they are racist against Turks and only English is no problem. I think it is by far the best sex-tourism destination in the Western Hemisphere.

Of course if you want stunningly beautiful white girls, stick to Eastern Europe.[/QUOTE]Strav and Yummy first of all thanks for your valuable contributions.

I am sure many people are benefiting from this information. I just want to share my opinions also with the same purpose. My last decision would possibly be for Rio but Yummy is telling that Dominique Rep. Is better. I must admit that I am much more into European look but I also like for example Romanians. I mean I don't have a problem with brunettes but not so much into black women. Maybe I should stick to Moscow but I don't have time to get prepared and unfortunately I can't make a miracle in my Russian skills in a month. Moreover it's not easy to spend time in Moscow if you don't have a gf. I really get bored there in day time while I am trying to reserve after some crazy fuck nights. You know what I mean. But Rio is also I guess is an enjoyable place to spend time and it's much more possible to meet with girls there just in the stree. I know most of them don't speak english. But at least spanish is closer to English more than Russian. Also I am so much into for Buones Aires. (Why you think moderator of this forum live in there?) Anyway. My compass showing SA. I hope it's the right decision.

Thanks Jake! I'll give it a whirl.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1476883]There's a salon within 10 minutes walk from the Hilton.

[url]http://www.elit.tv/[/url]

Other than that, get a copy of the Moscow Times and look in the classified section.

Plenty of call in.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1477193]but Yummy is telling that Dominique Rep. is better.[/QUOTE]The world is full of places where men can meet women for sex. Each place has advantages and disadvantages over others. I don't think Yummy meant to say that the Republica Dominicana is the best place to be, only that it may have some advantages for you. But of course, it's a long way from 'stambul.

If you want to know more, there is a forum for the Dom. Rep. on ISG. You might want to focus on Puerto Plata (Yummy's recommendation got me to thinking as well).

[QUOTE]Maybe I should stick to Moscow but I don't have time to get prepared and unfortunately I can't make a miracle in my Russian skills in a month. Moreover it's not easy to spend time in Moscow if you don't have a gf. I really get bored there in day time while I am trying to reserve after some crazy fuck nights.[/QUOTE]Everyone is different and we all look for different things. For myself, I find Moscow to be a fascinating city. There is a thousand years of history and culture, so I am never bored there, because there is so much to do, even apart from the sex. But then, it makes a big difference if you speak the lingo and can get around and communicate with people.

[QUOTE]I must admit that I am much more into European look I mean I don't have a problem with brunettes but not so much into black women.

But Rio is also I guess is an enjoyable place to spend time and it's much more possible to meet with girls there just in the street. I know most of them don't speak english. But at least spanish is closer to English more than Russian. Also I am so much into for Buones Aires. (Why you think moderator of this forum live in there?) Anyway. My compass showing SA. I hope it's the right decision.[/QUOTE]I think you might like Buenos Aires more than Rio. The gene pool in BA is very different. The Spanish were kind enough to kill off all the natives when they arrived, so the population in BA is almost exclusively European: mainly Hispanic, but also German, Italian, Hungarian, etc. Buenos Aires is often referred to as the "Paris of South America".

You might even find some Turks there.

Also remember, the language of Brazil is Portuguese, not Spanish. The language of Argentina is Spanish.

Just don't go to the USA, it's the worst. Why do think all the guys from the USA go somewhere else looking for women?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1477283]The world is full of places where men can meet women for sex. Each place has advantages and disadvantages over others. I don't think Yummy meant to say that the Republica Dominicana is the best place to be, only that it may have some advantages for you. But of course, it's a long way from 'stambul.

Also remember, the language of Brazil is Portuguese, not Spanish. The language of Argentina is Spanish.

Just don't go to the USA, it's the worst. Why do think all the guys from the USA go somewhere else looking for women?[/QUOTE]Dear Strav.

Yes you are right SA is about 13 hours flight from here. (if you buy a direct flight) Moscow is just 3 hours and no visa is required for Turks. If it's the opposite I would go to SA a thousand times but anyway. I am just not looking the most sex for the least money. I am looking for some adventure and want to see new places. I give up to USA after your comments. It's still will be possible to get there when you get married with your wife and you wouldn't loose so much things. So my choices are Rio or Buones Aires and my heart says take a 12 days off from work go for both because if I will take a 13 hours flight I must at least stay 10 days and this is too much for just one city. I don't find Sao Paolo worth to visit. So why not take the ticket from Rio to BA and enjoy both. I am searching for the costs and I am trying to estimate how much money should I put my pocket for such an adventure. By the way I don't need visa for both Argentina and Brasil also. From Rio to BA is about 3, 5 hours flight. I am working on my trip plan. Brasil forum is very informative and easy to benefit but I just couldn't my way in Argentina forum. Anyway. Let's see. I have heard lots of things about Copacabana in Rio. BA is also seaside but I don't know does it have nice beaches and enjoyable places. I started to get excited from now. Let's see man let's see.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1477380]Brasil forum is very informative and easy to benefit but I just couldn't my way in Argentina forum.[/QUOTE]Good idea, split your time between Rio and BA and enjoy the best of both worlds.

Everything you always wanted to know about BA: [url]www.argentinaprivate.com[/url]

I believe your ISG ID and password should get you in.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1477193]Yummy is telling that Dominique Rep. Is better.[/QUOTE]I am meaning from a purely sex tourism perspective. DR has nice beaches, but otherwise is a rather boring other than the girls. Rio is a far more interesting city. 10 years ago I would have told you to go to Rio. But the fact is, Rio is getting to be like Moscow. There is plenty of sex available, but the place is too damn expensive. Brazil has a relatively strong economy and currency even compared to many European countries. Unemployment is low. It is simply not easy to pick up freebies anymore. P4P is still easy but of lower quality and higher prices than DR. Many more sex tourists go to Rio so it is a sellers market. I like Braziilian women but I am not going to pay those prices for them. 10 years ago it was a paradise. But I guess that is true of many places. All that said, Rio is a much more interesting place to go for the culture and sightseeing.

DR is almost as easy as Pataya for sex. It is teeming with semi-pros and is a buyers market. You walk down the beach and see a girl you like and you ask her if she wants to go with you. It feels like a freebie pickup but she will ask for money at some point. Show her a good time and it will be really cheap. She would rater stay with you in your nice beach house than go home to her hovel so an overnight is usually the same price as it is for just sex. But stay away from Punta Cana and other resorts. American women don't like prostitutes so the local authorities keep the girls away. They want that tourism dollar.

I've not been to BA. I might look into going.

Have you tried North Cyprus? I assume you have being from Turkey. Brothels have EE girls at good prices. I have not been there yet, but it is on my short list.

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1477513]I am meaning from a purely sex tourism perspective. DR has nice beaches, but otherwise is a rather boring other than the girls. Rio is a far more interesting city.

Have you tried North Cyprus? I assume you have being from Turkey. Brothels have EE girls at good prices. I have not been there yet, but it is on my short list.[/QUOTE]Dear Yummy,

I have made a research on DR section and I have bad idea about it. First mostly black women. Second the country doesn't sound a safe place. Anyway. Maybe I will head to Moscow becuase it's possible to have just 5 days vacation. I had promised people here that I will give a second chance to this city. Regarding Cyprus Liljoey's posts are useful and one of my colleagues stayed there for 10 years. I don't think so it's a good destination to be since the cheap prices. Place is full of Turks and National Holiday is approaching.

Well this club is good.

That is if you want dances from African girls or fat Russian girls.

What a horrible disappointment this place was.

Smokey. Bored out of shape Russian girls sitting around. African girls hustling, at least they ask "may I dance for you."

Really, I'm not coming to Moscow to get dances from girls from Africa.

I guess if you want to see beautiful Russian girls you have to go to Flashdancers in New York City now.

Couldn't be more disappointed in the girls. Club was nice looking otherwise, but what a ripoff.

Ok, so. This was supposed to be at or near the top I guess of the Moscow strip clubs.

I did go on the most off night of off nights.

One girl there looked like a real fashion model. Otherwise fairly average girls I'd say 7s all around with the one fashion model girl an 8. Not pushy which is nice. Drinks reasonably priced. 1,000 rubles to get in.

Dealing with the hotel's "night taxi" BS which means they're pocketing something from the driver, cost 1,000 rubles to get there. Dealing with the "OMG I paid for parking" BS taxi driver on the way out means you're going to get shafted for another 1,000 rubles or walk back. So about 3,000 rubles go into the overhead of being there.

Most beautiful girl in the entire bar was a waitress sitting there doing nothing who didn't speak English. Wish I knew if the waitresses gave private dances.

Private dances all ended with the request to go to the hotel, cost 15, 000 rubles, seems their local "hotel" for legal senses. I turned it all down but the dances were ok.

Overall Moscow is a massive disappointment to me. Any reasonably attractive girl has an oligarch at her beck and call, certainly very few are falling through into the strip club scene. New York City and Las Vegas blow away Moscow both for beautiful girls (who are all Russian and Ukrainian anyway) and for value without any of the taxi BS.

Just really, if you're planning on visiting Moscow to see some beautiful girls, I think forget it unless you want to play rusodug lotto (which I don't want to play, I want to know what I'm getting). Strip clubs are just a massive fail compared to western standards, with the best girls from this culture getting over to the USA to work. It pains me to have to suggest New York to see girls from Russia but that seems to be the conclusion after getting out and about.

If you're happy with 7s then it's completely fine. Girls are friendly and nice and not being hassled every 3 seconds for tips (only every 5 mins) was a relief.

[QUOTE=Protocol; 1480922]Ok, so. This was supposed to be at or near the top I guess of the Moscow strip clubs.

I did go on the most off night of off nights.

One girl there looked like a real fashion model. Otherwise fairly average girls I'd say 7s all around with the one fashion model girl an 8. Not pushy which is nice. Drinks reasonably priced. 1,000 rubles to get in.

Dealing with the hotel's "night taxi" BS which means they're pocketing something from the driver, cost 1, 000 rubles to get there. Dealing with the "OMG I paid for parking" BS taxi driver on the way out means you're going to get shafted for another 1, 000 rubles or walk back. So about 3, 000 rubles go into the overhead of being there.

Most beautiful girl in the entire bar was a waitress sitting there doing nothing who didn't speak English. Wish I knew if the waitresses gave private dances.

Private dances all ended with the request to go to the hotel, cost 15, 000 rubles, seems their local "hotel" for legal senses. I turned it all down but the dances were ok.

Overall Moscow is a massive disappointment to me. Any reasonably attractive girl has an oligarch at her beck and call, certainly very few are falling through into the strip club scene. New York City and Las Vegas blow away Moscow both for beautiful girls (who are all Russian and Ukrainian anyway) and for value without any of the taxi BS.

Just really, if you're planning on visiting Moscow to see some beautiful girls, I think forget it unless you want to play rusodug lotto (which I don't want to play, I want to know what I'm getting). Strip clubs are just a massive fail compared to western standards, with the best girls from this culture getting over to the USA to work. It pains me to have to suggest New York to see girls from Russia but that seems to be the conclusion after getting out and about.

If you're happy with 7s then it's completely fine. Girls are friendly and nice and not being hassled every 3 seconds for tips (only every 5 mins) was a relief.[/QUOTE]Protocol,

I agree with you on all accounts.

What you have experienced is the "New Moscow" which is enjoying some degree of relative prosperity. When times are good, the really good looking girls have something better to do than hook and strip. The best place to see really stunning women in Moscow is not the strip club or the brothel, but in parks, restaurants, bars, clubs, stores, shopping malls, coffee shops and just about anywhere else pretty girls with a few rubles to spend like to hang out.

As has been said time and time again, if you come to Moscow expecting the P4P candy factory of yesteryear, forget it. It's not here.

It's bad news for mongers to be sure. The scene has shifted from P4P to traditional dating which, I assure you, is as promising as it ever has been due to the massive imbalance between men and women in Moscow.

Jake

[QUOTE=Protocol; 1480922]Ok, so. This was supposed to be at or near the top I guess of the Moscow strip clubs.

I did go on the most off night of off nights.

One girl there looked like a real fashion model. Otherwise fairly average girls I'd say 7s all around with the one fashion model girl an 8. Not pushy which is nice. Drinks reasonably priced. 1,000 rubles to get in.

Dealing with the hotel's "night taxi" BS which means they're pocketing something from the driver, cost 1, 000 rubles to get there. Dealing with the "OMG I paid for parking" BS taxi driver on the way out means you're going to get shafted for another 1, 000 rubles or walk back. So about 3, 000 rubles go into the overhead of being there.

Most beautiful girl in the entire bar was a waitress sitting there doing nothing who didn't speak English. Wish I knew if the waitresses gave private dances.

Private dances all ended with the request to go to the hotel, cost 15, 000 rubles, seems their local "hotel" for legal senses. I turned it all down but the dances were ok.

Overall Moscow is a massive disappointment to me. Any reasonably attractive girl has an oligarch at her beck and call, certainly very few are falling through into the strip club scene. New York City and Las Vegas blow away Moscow both for beautiful girls (who are all Russian and Ukrainian anyway) and for value without any of the taxi BS.

Just really, if you're planning on visiting Moscow to see some beautiful girls, I think forget it unless you want to play rusodug lotto (which I don't want to play, I want to know what I'm getting). Strip clubs are just a massive fail compared to western standards, with the best girls from this culture getting over to the USA to work. It pains me to have to suggest New York to see girls from Russia but that seems to be the conclusion after getting out and about.

If you're happy with 7s then it's completely fine. Girls are friendly and nice and not being hassled every 3 seconds for tips (only every 5 mins) was a relief.[/QUOTE]Interesting report. I was in Moscow about 4 years ago and I never saw so many beautiful women under a roof. Keep in mind I use to troll US strip clubs in the late 90's when there truly was a lot of EE's. It is my personal belief that VK has connected the girls so well among a cities Russian community that these venues are no longer as attractive to the top girls. Quality devs can now survive with gifts from referenced/qualified friends.

Fellow mongerers will remember; I had a great adventure in Moscow in 2010 and it was sad sometimes rewarding mostly. So I gave a promise to people on this forum. I would have come back again. Now it's time to keep my words. After exhausting analysis and comparisons I decided to come Moscow for 17. 10-20. 10. 2013 despite protocol's negative reports on city. My only fear is bad weather but I looks temps. Are over 5 °C for the period that I will come there. I have bought my ticket. Check I Fly and Pegasus. Both are giving great prices to Moscow and now second step is to find a good accommodation. When I was in St. Pete in March. I had used Oxana's apartments (nevsky88) and I was so much happy with their service. The owner is an American married with a Russian woman. For moscow they also give contact to another american who stays in there and again married with a Russian. Which apartment service you guys are using? And is there anyone who had used Rick's service before? You were happy or not? Do you know any disco night club for hunting like Real Mccoy or Che?

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1481594]Interesting report. I was in Moscow about 4 years ago and I never saw so many beautiful women under a roof. Keep in mind I use to troll US strip clubs in the late 90's when there truly was a lot of EE's. It is my personal belief that VK has connected the girls so well among a cities Russian community that these venues are no longer as attractive to the top girls. Quality devs can now survive with gifts from referenced/qualified friends.[/QUOTE]You look on something like VK and you'd think that Moscow was filled with stunning women.

I saw only one.

The huge disappointment has been the strip clubs in Moscow. I thought that they'd be better than SPB but Maximus was far and away better than these places.

Flashdancers in NYC is now almost 100% Russian and Ukrainian girls and they're gorgeous. Fitness trainers, models, beautiful girls coming over to hunt for their banker husband I guess. Even in Thailand in some of the clubs in Patong you will see very beautiful girls. Moscow has been the absolute bottom of the barrel. I went there just before coming to Moscow so I was thinking wow, I will be dying and going to heaven.

Instead I was having a drink and getting the hell out as fast as I could.

To me to have 15% of the girls in a Moscow strip club working coming from Africa says that you just don't have enough pretty girls at home to fill your club. Nothing against African girls but if I were looking for them I'd go to Africa or the USA, my thoughts on Moscow were about seeing Russian girls. The African girls were the only ones in good shape too at 911.

So maybe your theory is right.

This is just a bad job for a pretty girl at this point in time, with so many of them going to other countries now, the ones left are in balance with the money being thrown at them from the oligarchy. You can model nude and get $100 / hr if it comes to it and have nobody touch you. You can have a rich boyfriend buy you things and get you into all the right places and take you on trips. Or you can just exit and leave the competition behind and go to Miami or New York and make your friends back home jealous who "want USA."

I did stop into Night Flight and there were some nice girls there (nice as in nice, not beautiful) but it looked like Uzbek, Khazak kind of imports that you will see in Bangkok claiming to be Russian. They have that style of dress and makeup that looks like 1980s Soviet Union.

Once these girls here get some kind of money to get the things they want, they've shifted into status from what I can tell, so it's about going out to the top places to take pictures to show your friends showing your clothes, shoes, purse and where you currently are, so that everyone knows what an awesome life you're leading.

Going out with friends, the girls in the party have come up, everyone has the iPhone5S instantly after release (don't even think it was released yet in Moscow?) , Louboutin shoes. 22 year old girls driving up in BMW5 and 7 series cars, $20,000 watches.

I do have to make one correction in that I met a beautiful girl from Mamba but it's serious dating and she wants to fly business class, and all of that stuff or not travel anywhere because she is flying so much on vacations previously that she finds it tiring. Some of these girls now spend their summers in France, Monaco, St. Tropez, Ibiza. If you talk about travel to a place like Thailand they think you're poor because you didn't go to Maldives. I don't think I met her standards either though mostly Russian girls seem to like me and I get along with them fine.

So in conclusion, if you want just an average kind of girl that you can meet at home in the USA you will probably continue to do fine here. If you want a beautiful girl, you're probably better off looking at home because here you're going to have to import a suitcase filled with gold. Or better yet, look for Russian girls outside of Russia far from the oligarchy.

If you want just a nice average girl, they are out there, and I did meet them socially. But these are girls that you should be nice to and keep and treat well as a girlfriend, they're not for fun flings.

I've been battling with taxi drivers who want 1, 000 rubles for a 10 minute ride, and had some propose 1, 500 and 2,000.

Just not worth it overall, the product pricing has spun way high and the quality is certainly not easily found unless you're already living the lifestyle where it comes and finds you. I think therein lies the rub with Moscow.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1481085]Protocol,

I agree with you on all accounts.

What you have experienced is the "New Moscow" which is enjoying some degree of relative prosperity. When times are good, the really good looking girls have something better to do than hook and strip. The best place to see really stunning women in Moscow is not the strip club or the brothel, but in parks, restaurants, bars, clubs, stores, shopping malls, coffee shops and just about anywhere else pretty girls with a few rubles to spend like to hang out.

As has been said time and time again, if you come to Moscow expecting the P4P candy factory of yesteryear, forget it. It's not here.

It's bad news for mongers to be sure. The scene has shifted from P4P to traditional dating which, I assure you, is as promising as it ever has been due to the massive imbalance between men and women in Moscow.

Jake[/QUOTE]I am more just going to the strip clubs to look and chat without any complications.

I've done some of the bars and walked around and such and still didn't see anything that made my head snap around. Staying at a five star hotel in a lot of locations you see beautiful people around, but not here.

The one beautiful girl I did see was a date, but as mentioned below without promises of St. Tropez, Champagne and Business Class flights to Maldives she was lukewarm to me though we had a nice time. I am not looking for a $10,000 / month expense that is going to whine and moan about not seeing me enough so I didn't make any attempts to push it forward. Also they are looking for lockdown. Someone who travels and enjoys the world is not so interesting as a man saying, here's how much I make per year, I live in Switzerland, I need a beautiful wife who doesn't have to work, and I want three children over the next 5 years. I get that impression too, especially if the ratio is not favoring them they have more reason to discard the unserious types as the faster they discard the more beauty time they have left on the clock to find someone who will buy the product.

I'm finding that to be pick your poison, plus I am not a bad guy, I won't flirt with and try to get the attention of a woman who is 30 and looking for something serious by pretending to be something I'm not. I'll be honest with her and she can make her decision. I'm not in this to make someone feel scammed or hurt or sad or lonely, god knows there is enough of that out there in the world.

I have two more nights here and hopefully will see something interesting before I go, just as a tourist, hoping to see some beautiful sights.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1481674]For moscow they also give contact to another american who stays in there and again married with a Russian. Which apartment service you guys are using? And is there anyone who had used Rick's service before? You were happy or not?[/QUOTE]I have used Rick before and was very happy with the service and the apartments that he has to rent. When you consider what you are getting for the price, it's a much better deal than staying in a hotel.

My favorite is #26 Tverskaya, but #12 Karetny Ryad is a good choice if you want to save a little money. It's small, but well located. There is an Azbuxa Vkusa (super market) next door and Parizhkaya Zhizn used to be just around the corner. Not sure if it still is.

[QUOTE=Protocol;1481802]I have two more nights here and hopefully will see something interesting before I go, just as a tourist, hoping to see some beautiful sights.[/QUOTE]As a "last ditch effort", you might want to try Angels ([url]www.clubangels.ru[/url]). It's the newest of the chain in Moscow and they often borrow some of the best girls from Aurora, Penthouse, and The Loft for the first 6 months.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1481934]I have used Rick before and was very happy with the service and the apartments that he has to rent. When you consider what you are getting for the price, it's a much better deal than staying in a hotel.

My favorite is #26 Tverskaya, but #12 Karetny Ryad is a good choice if you want to save a little money. It's small, but well located. There is an Azbuxa Vkusa (super market) next door and Parizhkaya Zhizn used to be just around the corner. Not sure if it still is.[/QUOTE]I also had good experiences with Rick's places.

As for places, Real McCoy is now closed. Che is still good. Down the street is Old School Pub which on Fridays nights is a pussyfest (lots of girls).

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1482129]I also had good experiences with Rick's places.

As for places, Real McCoy is now closed. Che is still good. Down the street is Old School Pub which on Fridays nights is a pussyfest (lots of girls).[/QUOTE]Dear Strav and Jake,

Strangely Rick still didn't reply me for two days. I try to reach him via Oksana but no answer. I have also made a reservation via Airbnb to someone called Yaroslaw but having troubles. He doesn't speak Russian. My flat would be on Novinsky Boulevard. And my reservation is still waiting. I am nervous about accommodation. My budget is around 100-115 USD per night. I hope Rick can give this price. I don't want a shared room nor a room inside someone's flat. I need a separate whole studio. Your comments about accommodation will be appreciated. BR

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1482267]Dear Strav and Jake,

Strangely Rick still didn't reply me for two days. I try to reach him via Oksana but no answer. I have also made a reservation via Airbnb to someone called Yaroslaw but having troubles. He doesn't speak Russian. My flat would be on Novinsky Boulevard. And my reservation is still waiting. I am nervous about accommodation. My budget is around 100-115 USD per night. I hope Rick can give this price. I don't want a shared room nor a room inside someone's flat. I need a separate whole studio. Your comments about accommodation will be appreciated. BR[/QUOTE]You will have to excuse Rick, he has been in Russia so long he starts to do business like a Russian--several days to reply to an email is not unusual.

Did you look at Rick's website? [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] You can see all the flats he has available and the prices. I think you will be hard-pressed to find your own apartment for 100-115 USD per night. Not unless you take it for at least a week, or longer.

Check your PM.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1482314]You will have to excuse Rick, he has been in Russia so long he starts to do business like a Russian-several days to reply to an email is not unusual.

Did you look at Rick's website?

[url]www.moscow-star.com[/url]

You can see all the flats he has available and the prices. I think you will be hard-pressed to find your own apartment for 100-115 USD per night. Not unless you take it for at least a week, or longer.

Check your PM.[/QUOTE]I agree with Strav. Rick is not the most prompt replier. BTW, I understand that he's moved back to LA and has a local manager running the show. I don't know the apartment on Novinsky Bulvar, but the location is very good.

There are a few other serviced apartment groups in Moscow. Give me a day and I will track them down for you.

Hi. This is my first time posting on the Moscow page having only recently changed jobs and relocated from Dubai. I'm interested to find out whether anyone has any decent contacts for WGs or masseuses in the Molodejnaya or Krylatskoye area who speak English and offer an incall service? I've read back through past posts and there seems to be little specific info on this. I've been to a place on Kut Prospect for an erotic massage a few times (2500rub an hour for a massage, HJ and some access to assets). PM me if you want details. Only one or two girls speak (very poor) English. However, I'm eager to branch out and look for someone who offers full service. Can anyone help?

Jake,

My reservation is confirmed on airbnb by Yaroslav.

[url]https://www.airbnb.com.tr/rooms/767662[/url]

I have read the comments about it. Mostly positive. Now at the moment my flight and accommodation problems have been solved. It s time to make my list for club and salon visits.

As follows;

1. Club aurora 911 (Despite my bad memories and protocol s negative comments I will definitely visit it. Anyone wants to join who is in town? They have a strict divan policy so I can order a beer for a friend make us sit on seat there together.)

2. Golden Dolls.

3. Fantasys salon (this time I will find someone who speaks Russian to help me in communication. Any other recommendation for salons?)

4. An appropiate salsa club. (Yes I can dance!)

5. Che.

6. Old school pub.

7. A decent Russian massage salon. (I need to RTFF to find out)
8.Club angels
Your comments and contributions will highly be appreciated.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1483053]My reservation is confirmed on airbnb by Yaroslav.

[url]https://www.airbnb.com.tr/rooms/767662[/url]

I have read the comments about it. Mostly positive.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to bring toilet paper!! :)

[QUOTE]1. Club aurora 911 (Despite my bad memories and protocol s negative comments I will definitely visit it. Anyone wants to join who is in town? They have a strict divan policy so I can order a beer for a friend make us sit on seat there together.) [/QUOTE]Don't pay too much attention to Protocol. If you read through all 27 of his posts, it seems he travels the world, visiting strip clubs and complaining. People usually find what they are looking for--if you expect to have a bad time, you will.

[QUOTE]7. A decent Russian massage salon. (I need to RTFF to find out) [/QUOTE]My favorite is [url]www.erotic-massage.ru[/url] They have been around for a long time and, as far as I know, they are the only massage in Moscow to offer "intime" service. They now also offer выезд (outcall). Each of the dyeffki have different prices, so check them all out. The location near Smolenskaya Metro (Смоленская) should be within walking distance from your flat. Only problem is, you may have trouble to communicate with them in English, but I think that will be true with all the massage places.

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[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1483053]Jake,

My reservation is confirmed on airbnb by Yaroslav.

[url]https://www.airbnb.com.tr/rooms/767662[/url]

I have read the comments about it. Mostly positive. Now at the moment my flight and accommodation problems have been solved. It s time to make my list for club and salon visits.[/QUOTE]It is really hard to beat that location for the price. It is a really nice area to walk from. That was the neighborhood I stayed in and was very happy there.

Well on my last night I went back to Night Flight hoping my first visit was an anomaly. And second visit was much better.

Part of the first night problem I think was not staying late enough. I made the innocent mistake of asking one of the girls if it would get busier later on. She said no no definitely not, but I think now she was thinking I was wondering about delaying my choice and she was trying to remove all hope. I was just curious.

But anyway I went back midweek and there were more people there which made it nicer to be in. A couple of good looking girls, one of whom I took out of the club. After making that decision a 10/10 blonde girl in a short dress came in. I am normally complaining about everything so if I say 10 then I'm impressed.

I picked my girl based on personality and looks, I think she was about an 8 and I was happy because she was just a fun girl to hang around with with a good spirit and that's all one can hope for. So it ended on a good note.

[QUOTE=Protocol; 1483535]Well on my last night I went back to Night Flight hoping my first visit was an anomaly. And second visit was much better.

Part of the first night problem I think was not staying late enough. I made the innocent mistake of asking one of the girls if it would get busier later on. She said no no definitely not, but I think now she was thinking I was wondering about delaying my choice and she was trying to remove all hope. I was just curious.

But anyway I went back midweek and there were more people there which made it nicer to be in. A couple of good looking girls, one of whom I took out of the club. After making that decision a 10/10 blonde girl in a short dress came in. I am normally complaining about everything so if I say 10 then I'm impressed.

I picked my girl based on personality and looks, I think she was about an 8 and I was happy because she was just a fun girl to hang around with with a good spirit and that's all one can hope for. So it ended on a good note.[/QUOTE]Great to hear! Just to underscore your comments, Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights are dead at Night Flight and even mid-week things don't going until about 11:30.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1483053]Jake,

My reservation is confirmed on airbnb by Yaroslav.

[url]https://www.airbnb.com.tr/rooms/767662[/url]

I have read the comments about it. Mostly positive. Now at the moment my flight and accommodation problems have been solved. It s time to make my list for club and salon visits.

As follows;

1. Club aurora 911 (Despite my bad memories and protocol s negative comments I will definitely visit it. Anyone wants to join who is in town? They have a strict divan policy so I can order a beer for a friend make us sit on seat there together.)

2. Golden Dolls.

3. Fantasys salon (this time I will find someone who speaks Russian to help me in communication. Any other recommendation for salons?)

4. An appropiate salsa club. (Yes I can dance!)

5. Che.

6. Old school pub.

7. A decent Russian massage salon. (I need to RTFF to find out)

8. Club angels.

Your comments and contributions will highly be appreciated.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Iceberg27,

Sorry for slow reply.

Comments:

1. Despite some bad reports. I like Aurora for sentimental reasons.

2. Golden Dolls. 2nd tier club in my opinion. But there can always be surprises.

3. Also try Charm'El. Sister club. [url]http://www.charmel.biz/[/url]

4. Salsa Club. Old Havana is famous and upscale. [url]http://www.old-havana.ru/?page=restarsn&lang=en[/url] But on Friday nights they used to have Salsa at Tiki Bar. [url]http://www.tiki-bar.ru/[/url]

5. Che. Always good.

6. Old School Pub. Last Friday night it was wall to wall pussy. Mostly office girls going out after work. Possibly the BEST pick up place in Moscow at the moment.

7. There are mixed review but I heard this one is decent. [url]http://www.edem-club.ru/english[/url] Easy to find near Belorusskaya.

8. Club Angels. Also good.

When are you going to be in Moscow?

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1484437]Iceberg27,

Sorry for slow reply.

Comments:

1. Despite some bad reports. I like Aurora for sentimental reasons.

2. Golden Dolls. 2nd tier club in my opinion. But there can always be surprises.

3. Also try Charm'El. Sister club.

[url]http://www.charmel.biz/[/url]

4. Salsa Club. Old Havana is famous and upscale.

[url]http://www.old-havana.ru/?page=restarsn&lang=en[/url]

But on Friday nights they used to have Salsa at Tiki Bar.

[url]http://www.tiki-bar.ru/[/url]

5. Che. Always good.

6. Old School Pub. Last Friday night it was wall to wall pussy. Mostly office girls going out after work. Possibly the BEST pick up place in Moscow at the moment.

7. There are mixed review but I heard this one is decent.

[url]http://www.edem-club.ru/english[/url]

Easy to find near Belorusskaya.

8. Club Angels. Also good.

When are you going to be in Moscow?[/QUOTE]Jake I will be there tomorrow about 4 o clock. It will be good to have a beer if you are available.

And one question,

I was already watching news and Moscow is having nationalist protests because of an azheri killed a Russian.

I am very much look like an Azheri because of my Turkish roots. I am a bit nervous.

How is the situation there in the streets?

Should I make a delay for my visit?

Is it safe to be there?

;

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1484539]I was already watching news and Moscow is having nationalist protests because of an azheri killed a Russian.

I am very much look like an Azheri because of my Turkish roots. I am a bit nervous.

How is the situation there in the streets?

Should I make a delay for my visit?

Is it safe to be there?[/QUOTE]Iceberg,

The recent incident, last week, took place in Birulevo (Бирюлево), in an extreme southern part of Moscow. That's a long way from the neighborhood where you will be staying. If you stick to the area around Arbat/Pushinkinskaya/Tverskaya you should be OK.

There is some concern that the nationalists in the south of Moscow could take their protest up to Manezhnaya Square, next to Krasnaya Ploshod (the Kremlin). If that happens, then you should excercise some care when walking around town. Stay away from big crowds, etc. But this will probably not happen, and if it does, Vladimir Vladimirovich will shut it down immediately.

If you walk out your front door in the morning and you don't hear the sound of AK-47's somewhere off in the distance, then it should be a good day. Just kidding. ;)

Bottom line is--the nationalist protests are about foreign, undocumented aliens living and working in Moscow. I've never met you, but I'm pretty sure that no one would mistake you for an undocumented alien. Dress well, behave yourself, be polite and you should be fine.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1484696]Iceberg,

The recent incident, last week, took place in Birulevo (&1041; &1080; &1088; &1102; &1083; &1077; &1074; &1086, in an extreme southern part of Moscow. That's a long way from the neighborhood where you will be staying. If you stick to the area around Arbat / Pushinkinskaya / Tverskaya you should be OK.

Bottom line is-the nationalist protests are about foreign, undocumented aliens living and working in Moscow. I've never met you, but I'm pretty sure that no one would mistake you for an undocumented alien. Dress well, behave yourself, be polite and you should be fine.[/QUOTE]Strav,

I have reviewed a bit more from BBC after I wrote here. You are right it's in an isolated area. Far away of my apartment in Novinski Blv. So there is no change in my plans. I am landing Domodevo Airport at 4 pm tomorrow.

BTW I have made a lot of RTFF because I was in national holiday in my hometown and nothing much to do there for the last 3 days.

My updated list wrt to importance and must visit sequence would be as follows;

Strip Clubs;

1. Club aurora 911.

2. Club Angels.

3. The loft.

4. Deja Vu.

5. Bordo.

Salons;

1. Charmels.

2. Fantasys.

3. Atel.

4. Dolce Vita.

Frebies;

1. Old school pub.

2. Old Havana Club.

3. Che.

4. Tiky Bar.

5. Luch.

MP's

1. Erotic Massage.

2. Edem Club.

I think enough for 3 days but I am open for you comments and contributions because I write also for others to benefit. By the way Yummy has done a very good job prepared a map so I want to give the link for this a second tme for the ones missed it.

[url]https://mapsengine.google.com/map/viewer?mid=z3J6Ghj4nYZU.k-npv-bSjhF4[/url]

Do you think Coyote Ugly worth a visit or still open?

Another issue is;

What is your strategies for entering freebie clubs like Old School Pub without a dam?

One of my strategy is would be to make a reservation in an early time for dinner.(That works for Che) but for bars and night clubs it wouldnt work and also you will loose much time because normally you should enter there about 11:30 but now have to enter before 10:00 p.m.I prefer to spend this time interval in Strip clubs and then move to Freebie locations.

Second is; Walk around the door and aska a girl who is already going there to enter together and order her a beer.That rarely works but i really worked sometimes for me (It looks weird and unsafe to girls.)

BR

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1484711]What is your strategies for entering freebie clubs like Old School Pub without a dam?

One of my strategy is would be to make a reservation in an early time for dinner.(That works for Che) but for bars and night clubs it wouldnt work and also you will loose much time because normally you should enter there about 11:30 but now have to enter before 10:00 p.m.I prefer to spend this time interval in Strip clubs and then move to Freebie locations.
[/QUOTE]Wow! That list should keep you busy for a couple weeks.

Something to think about, and I mention this simply because it should be convenient to where your apartment is:

Club Egoist Gold--it used to be near Sadovaya Kudrinskaya and Spiridonovka, just north of you. Very expensive, but just a short walk from your apt. Haven't been there in a long time, best check the website and call first: [url]egostrip.ru[/url]

Curious... why do you need a strategy to enter a night club? Best way is to just, well... walk in. Unless, of course, it is some elitni Klub with face control. Only strategy is: dress well and act like you belong there. They'll never know the difference. Che can be difficult if you don't know the doorman, but I think that's because it's very small and fills up very fast.

Have a good time and let us know what you find.

Добра и Сил

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1484539]Jake I will be there tomorrow about 4 o clock. It will be good to have a beer if you are available.

And one question,

I was already watching news and Moscow is having nationalist protests because of an azheri killed a Russian.

I am very much look like an Azheri because of my Turkish roots. I am a bit nervous.

How is the situation there in the streets?

Should I make a delay for my visit?

Is it safe to be there?

; [/QUOTE]Stick to the center of Moscow, dress a little better than usual and you will be fine.

The violence was down at the market where a lot of the Caucasus people hang out.

I am actually flying to Vienna for the weekend. Back on Sunday night.

How long are you in town for?

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1484879]Stick to the center of Moscow, dress a little better than usual and you will be fine.

The violence was down at the market where a lot of the Caucasus people hang out.

I am actually flying to Vienna for the weekend. Back on Sunday night.

How long are you in town for?[/QUOTE]I will turn back on Sunday afternoon.

I will send my contact details via pm.

Thanks for your help.

Hello guys,

I am new here and I hope I'm posting in the correct section of forum but I don t find a better place where I can write.

I''m planning to start an escort agency similar to yourdreamedgirls. They take girls from Russia and organize travel in Italy (my country).

I can give support on italian side.

For girls expecially from small cities is a very good business opportunity they can get 150\hour euros while in Russia some get like 80 dollars. Some ask also for 200.

This can work also from girls coming from worst places like Nigeria or Philippines considering in these places you can live good with 200 euros\month.

Anyone interested?

You may find this map useful:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/interactive.php[/url]

Moscow is a big city, and it doesn't make much sense to cross the city in a sardine can metro or two-hour traffic jam to pursue someone with a fake picture on the internet who may not even be there when you arrive. So work out where you are on the map and check out the action in your vicinity. I firmly believe that the best option is to go for a salon with a big selection, that way you are making choices based on reality, not a collection of red herrings.

Here is the key to the various symbols:

- Purple with a house symbol: a salon (brothel) with its own website etc.

- White: many girl's profiles registered on the same address, most likely a salon too.

- Red: independent girl (supposedly, sometimes they are, sometimes they are actually in a salon too)

- Purple: bdsm.

- Yellow: independent girl massage

first of all thanks to the fellow mongerers of the forum because moscow section really is one of the most detailed and active section of isg. i had used airbnb-yaroslav's service (you can search by novinsky boulevard business class apartment). the accommodation and the weather was both mostly feared issues of me because it was end of october and i had only paid 113 usd per day for the apartment. the weather was not a big problem for the first 2 days but beginning from saturday it sometimes influenced me. btw if you bring smt heavier than my coat you can be more free to walk at nights. i think having a car in moscow is a necessity despite terrible traffic. this visit showed me it's not into me to come here in heavy winter. and for the apartment i can say it just what i was expecting. separate bathroom, clean and i even had a hairdryer working. wi fi and satellite tv also worked without any problem. on my previous visit i could only have a hotel room just opposite the reception without bathroom with the same price. i have to say that the flat is very old and need a good renovation but i didn't care about it. strav was one hundred percent right about location. i was able to reach 3 strip clubs within ten minutes walk. i had only visited a few of my list because of limited time and money. 400 usd per day wasnt enough excluding accomodation. this city is really designed for russian folks. i had most of my meals in tepemok, (i highly advice this russian fast food restaurant. it's quick and delicious and also cheap.) i did go to p4p only once and money wasnt enough so you can understand how expensive it is. on my first night i had visited a restaurant called milwyn on novvy arbat. it 's recommendable because it's full of high school uniformed [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and showgirls. just in the beginning of novvy arbat on your left. my charmel visit wasnt so great. i had gone there friday 3 pm and i had only 5 choices. only one of them was an eight and she wasnt smiling. btw it was a enjoyable session despite she doesn't bbbf and no kiss. her name is daria. on saturday and on sunday charmel was busy. i have also visited aurora again. it's better than in the old days. i again enjoyed it. i love the feeling of being the lazy boy in that kind places. if you are not you should be. while i was taking a lap dance from one of the black dancers i suddenly put my hand under the skirt of a waitress just serving a beer to guy next to me. and guess what happened. she turned me and gave me a nice smile. that was one of the best moments of my life. of course i took her to private room and session was ok. refused to give her number but i don't care. on firday night i tried old school pub. jake was right. it's wall to wall pussy but also wall to wall cocks. if i could be a bit more relaxed and speak the lingua i could score. got a long and long french kiss from a girl and her lesbian gf kicked my ass. on friday night i rudely been refused in che. and saturday night i had gone to old havana club and something has been very clear in mind at that moment. it also happened in my last months's evpatoria visit. in such places you have the chance for a slow dance but in old school pub you don't have. moreover since i don't like that kind of music i am being in a bad mood in clubs. anwway the old havana was very small compared to old school pub and it's not recommandable. i have made a mistake by going there. i should try my chance in che or old school pub. it wasnt a problem to enter old school pub if you go in an early time. after leaving old havana with disappointment i decided to make a try for deja vu and it was my best moment on this trip. first time in my life i got a french kiss from a girl standing upside down. also another thing got clear in my mind for strip clubs. on friday night i headed to club angels and the system is same. but i also recommend it. it's only one third of aurora but you will get more attention from girls and vast majority of them are 10's. enjoyable place. i am sure i would live similar experiences in loft and penthouse club because they are all member of the same chain. but it looks like golden dolls and deja vu has the same system. you pay 1500 rub to enter and one private dance is free. every private dance is 1500 rub but you will get promotion every ten minutes. and you can get 3 or 2 songs per 1500 rubles. the best thing with them is girls there is less professional and has lower discipline so they are more natural. my sessions in deja vu was incredible. i started to belive getting bbbj in private dance sessions in strip clubs. anyway briefly i was a bit disappointed because time and money simply wasnt enough. i don't know i will give a third chance to moscow. because it will cost at least for 7 days x 750 usd =5200 usd totally. of course i accept the freebie potential there. i was just not in the right mood and didn't have enough time. i wish i could have found smt like the old shandra. it's my dream. strip club with reasonable sex prices. i have already read posts about it. maybe next time i try.

regards.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1486964]I suddenly put my hand under the skirt of a waitress just serving a beer to guy next to me. And guess what happened. She turned me and gave me a nice smile. That was one of the best moments of my life.[/QUOTE]Great report Iceburg. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Went to ANGELS last night just for a QC check.

I found a whole new batch of perky tits who were not there last time I went.

Topless barmaids were a riot. Playful and fun with gorgeous boobies.

Spent way too much money but what the fuck.

Love that place.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1486964]400 USD per day wasnt enough excluding accomodation. This city is really designed for Russian Folks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]I love the feeling of being the lazy boy in that kind places. If you are not you should be. While I was taking a lap dance from one of the black dancers I suddenly put my hand under the skirt of a waitress just serving a beer to guy next to me. And guess what happened. She turned me and gave me a nice smile. That was one of the best moments of my life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Got a long and long french kiss from a girl and her lesbian gf kicked my ass.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]After leaving Old Havana with disappointment I decided to make a try for Deja Vu and it was my best moment on this trip. First time in my life I got a french kiss from a girl standing upside down.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Also another thing got clear in my mind for strip clubs. On Friday night I headed to Club Angels and the system is same. But I also recommend it. It's only one third of Aurora but you will get more attention from girls and vast majority of them are 10's. Enjoyable place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]My sessions in Deja Vu was incredible. I started to belive getting BBBJ in private dance sessions in Strip Clubs. Anyway briefly I was a bit disappointed because time and money simply wasnt enough.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]It's my dream. Strip club with reasonable sex prices. I have already read posts about it. Maybe next time I try.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]If I could be a bit more relaxed and speak the lingua I could score.[/QUOTE]

молодец! Sounds like your trip was uniquely entertaining, as only Moscow can be.

I'm with you, nothing beats a good strip club with reasonable sex prices. They exist in Moscow, but you won't find them in the center. You will need to travel beyond the center, now, probably, beyond MKAD. And you won't find anyone out there who speaks English.

I know Russian is not an easy language to learn, and there probably isn't much point to study it for a 3 day trip. But if you can speak the lingua even a little bit, then there is a whole new world of possibilities waiting for you in Moscow.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1487862]&1084; &1086; &1083; &1086; &1076; &1077; &1094; ! Sounds like your trip was uniquely entertaining, as only Moscow can be.

I'm with you, nothing beats a good strip club with reasonable sex prices. They exist in Moscow, but you won't find them in the center. You will need to travel beyond the center, now, probably, beyond MKAD. And you won't find anyone out there who speaks English.

I know Russian is not an easy language to learn, and there probably isn't much point to study it for a 3 day trip. But if you can speak the lingua even a little bit, then there is a whole new world of possibilities waiting for you in Moscow.[/QUOTE]Strav,

The most important benefit of my travel to Moscow was my increasing motivation to learn the lingua. Moreover touring in Moscow also get me incredible adaptation for the alphabet. I had handled most of my problems with the Cyrilic. Spending one day in the city and trying to understand the signs is much better than studying at home alone and try to memorise these weird symbols. Practice makes perfect! So it think the door is opened for me for Russian. I will enter the wonderland soon. (Check the last post of Prosal in Ukraine Other areas section about Zaporojie.) By the way I am sorry because I couldn't check the egoist club. It has came in my mind on Saturday night and I was out of my financial resources and the weather was freezing out there.
заботиться!

Yummy thanks.

When something comes up my mind for scratches on your back I will share immediately! Still thinking about it!

Regards.

Hey all, long time lurker here! I'm going to be heading to Moscow for a week, and could do with some late night evening entertainment. Only problem, I'm going to be working very long hours, and just want an easy time. Having the girl come up to my hotel room. Does anyone have recent recommendations to make? I've found references on here to.

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com[/url]

From a couple of years ago. Has anyone used it more recently? Any recommended girls? I'm thinking if that doesn't work, then I'll ask the doorman in the hotel, but I really need to be discrete, since I'll be staying in a hotel with people from work.

[QUOTE=TranquilLife; 1487910]Hey all, long time lurker here! I'm going to be heading to Moscow for a week, and could do with some late night evening entertainment. Only problem, I'm going to be working very long hours, and just want an easy time. Having the girl come up to my hotel room. Does anyone have recent recommendations to make? I've found references on here to.

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com[/url]

From a couple of years ago. Has anyone used it more recently? Any recommended girls? I'm thinking if that doesn't work, then I'll ask the doorman in the hotel, but I really need to be discrete, since I'll be staying in a hotel with people from work.[/QUOTE]TL,

If you go to.

[url]www.rusdosug.com[/url]

And click on the EN button in the upper right corner, you will be take to a page with English speaking girls. Olenka is usually the first one to come up. She is a hoot. Although getting a little long in the tooth, she's more fun than a barrel of monkeys. Her English is good but she does NOT do anal so don't even ask. I once went to her place and brought a small bottle of Beluga (vodka). She cooked chicken and we had a regular party before shagging. She's quite a good sport.

Tanya (who is usually in the upper right) is very mechanical and has silicone boobs. She's nice enough but just does not do it for me.

You might also try.

[url]www.sweet-dreams.ru[/url]

I have not personally used them for more than a year but have sent other guys and they seemed to be happy. Send me a PM if you want more details.

Hi everyone,

Just signed up as I arrived in Moscow last night and realized I need help. This is how I found you guys and hope in some help!

I did some puntering in the past but never in russia and never been in a massage parlor. Also don't speak a word in Russian (to which I wonder : do all of you guys speak Russian? It seems like none of you have problems!)

How does a massage parlor work? I know its a rookie question but hey I've got to start! You just go in, ask a massage and the girl does it all? Or do you have to tell her " ok HJ time" or "BJ time (if there is any)"; touching is allowed?

I'm in the smolenskay area and was wondering if you guys had some advices. Checked out the 2 massage parlors around here (I mean I called, asked if they spoke English, got a Niet and they hanged up.)

Now not really sure how to get there. Do I just walk towards them? Do you have to set up appointments?

Basicly any help to get laid would help. Not even sure how to find these places.

I'm only staying a few days and would rather stay in the area (saw the subway. Don't understand it. I'm from ny and thought it would be easier!) so hopefully just walking distance.

As I said any help would be really nice!

Thank you for your help in my getting laid.

BTW if anyone going to rome I can help out.

[QUOTE=Sour3113;1488224]Hi everyone, Just signed up as I arrived in Moscow last night and realized I need help.[/QUOTE]Sour,

Sorry, I'm afraid you're just screwed (so to speak). There is nothing you can do at this point about P4P.

I assume you are staying in a hotel, so the only possibility would be to speak with someone at the desk or the concierge, if they have one, about how and where you can meet women for sex. Don't be shy, in Russia it's OK for a man to want sex.

Depending on your looks, your game, and how much money you have, you might have some luck in the night clubs. Jake can advise you best about the night club scene.

Or, better yet, take a moment to help yourself, and scroll down the page to Iceberg's report on his recent trip and you should have all the info you need.

LOL wish I was screwed in some other way!

I'm staying at a house but no possibility of inviting.

Strip clubs look interesting I just don't want to spend 500$ for 1h. Just seems like too much for too little.

I did want to try the Moscovitan experience tho so I figure massage place would give me the chance to keep the budget down and still have some fun.

There are a few places around here I just really don't understand how it works (other than the english part) : I read somewhere in the forum that some places you have to wait outside and they come pick you up? Is that standard procedure? What can you actually do in a massage parlour? We talking only HJ finale or other tipes too? (can I hope for a BJ?)

I was also considering Dolce Vita that isn't too far; but as I mentioned I lack the material experience with these kind of places. What happens? How does it work? What to expect.

For example say I go to Dolce Vita, not all of them offer anal; so how do I pick a girl? I ask all of them " you do it?" or not all of them offer bbj; I ask again? Or am I expecting these services to be offered? Ask the girls or the manager (or whoever is the person I talk too)

In Italy I usually went to the providers house and it was easy; I wanted to try something different here just not sure how and what to expect as I only know "the" and "Niet" LOL.

Any sort of help is more than welcome but I don't want to be annoying and pestering you guys as I feel like a noob right now.

Hi all.

Another newbie's first post here, which will somehow echo ther previous one about massage parlours.

First of all, thanks for this website who is both informative and entertaining.

By reading this Moscow section, I'm getting a bit curious.

I was thinking about maybe planning a trip to BKK at some point in 2014, but I'm starting to wonder if MOW could be a valuable alternative.

I've already been to Russia a couple of times: First of all, for me it's lot closer to home, and find it hard to believe that anybody on earth could be sexier than Russian chicks.

Plus I believe MOW has a lot more "other" stuff to offer that BKK. (External temperature being another story.)

Now specifically getting to the point : What I am looking for would be the "classical" BKK services: Body 2 Body massage, Oil / Nuru, air mattress, HJ / BJ; Not necessarily FS if it gets me into trouble.

Is it possible to expect the same level of services in a MOW massage salon than at BKK?

What can I expect if I try one: Do you simply wallk into these places or have to take an appointment.

Are they dives or classy setup such as these Aurora 911 or Penth on Arabaskaya?

Is it mandatory to speak some Russian? (currently limited to "PRIVET"

Like the other guy, mostly rookie questions but thanks in advance for any help.

[QUOTE=Sour3113; 1488358]Strip clubs look interesting I just don't want to spend 500$ for 1h. Just seems like too much for too little.

Any sort of help is more than welcome but I don't want to be annoying and pestering you guys as I feel like a noob right now.[/QUOTE]1 hour in the so-called "Sex Room" at Aurora or Penthouse should be quoted at 13k RUB, or about 400 bucks. No small change but less than what you wrote, or maybe you're includings cover. 1 drink and some tips.

If you don't speak the lingo, go to the strip clubs (and Night Flight) just to have a look, it is worth to have a drink there and look at the girls, but sex is way too expensive. Then go to the top end salons, they speak English and you can have very good sex with a beautifull lady for an almost reasonable price.

Then you will understand that learning Russian opens the door to paradise

[QUOTE=Chercheur; 1488579]If you don't speak the lingo, go to the strip clubs (and Night Flight) just to have a look, it is worth to have a drink there and look at the girls, but sex is way too expensive. Then go to the top end salons, they speak English and you can have very good sex with a beautifull lady for an almost reasonable price.

Then you will understand that learning Russian opens the door to paradise[/QUOTE]Hi Chercheur,

Quick question by top end salon you don't mean massage parlors correct?

Something like Charmel, Fantasy, Eden?

Does anyone know anything about Dolce Vita? I think I'm just going to go there as it seems reasonable in both prices and it looks like they speak English.

Next time I'll definitly have to learn some Russian!

Thanks again for all the help.

Was staying at the hotel B, a 10-minute walk from Sokolniki Park and Krasnoselskaya Metro Station, in Moscow.

Met up with a PYT near the reception itself.

She asked for USD200 for night, Fixed deal at USD70 for a pop and around an hour, gave room number.

She came up, started with a bath, and got into bed.

Oral from her was heaven.

Didn't allow kissing, quite talkative asked questions on where I was from, why in Moscow etc.

She did a good job.

Body 9/10.

Oral 10/10.

Attitude 8/10.

WIR I wish I could.

A question for the group is USD75 a pop reasonable, next visit would want to optimise.

In this case the room was a cost already incurred as I was staying there.

I don't speak Russian, only English.

[QUOTE=Bullion; 1488886]Met up with a PYT near the reception itself.

Body 9/10.

Oral 10/10.

Attitude 8/10.[/QUOTE]If this is accurate, it sounds like you got a good deal especially for an English speaking hotel girl. The 200 for the night is excellent. Did she use a condom for oral? Did she want US Dollars? Did you get her contact number? PM me if you can share some details. I am in Moscow now.

[QUOTE=Bullion;1488886]She asked for USD200 for night, Fixed deal at USD70 for a pop and around an hour, gave room number.[/QUOTE]Excellent price. Wow that almost unheard of.

Could be because of your location. Sokolniki is hardly out in the stick but it's not exactly in the center.

Sounds like you did well.

[QUOTE=Reef LostCause; 1488380]Hi all.

Another newbie's first post here, which will somehow echo ther previous one about massage parlours.

First of all, thanks for this website who is both informative and entertaining.

By reading this Moscow section, I'm getting a bit curious.

I was thinking about maybe planning a trip to BKK at some point in 2014, but I'm starting to wonder if MOW could be a valuable alternative.

I've already been to Russia a couple of times: First of all, for me it's lot closer to home, and find it hard to believe that anybody on earth could be sexier than Russian chicks.

Is it mandatory to speak some Russian? (currently limited to "PRIVET"

Like the other guy, mostly rookie questions but thanks in advance for any help.[/QUOTE]Since I am very much into comparisons I want to make a few comments.

For massage things Moscow and Banghok are not even comparable. Moscow isn't place for massages. Yes there are MP's but they are for another purpose.

You will never find the quality of service in Moscow than you can find in Banghok.

First thing that you must decide is do you prefer Brunette-Short-Childish look girls or Blonde-Tall-Stylish look women?

Check both forum's photo galleries.

It's possible to find some very good strip clubs in Banghok in Soi-Cowboy.

If we give up mentality I would suggest you go to Banghok because you will find much more touristic area.No racism- cheap prices.

It's worht to take long flying hours and the cost will be close because Moscow is incredibly expensive. You can find very good hotels in Pattaya with 100 USD / day.

Banghok will give you everything; Freebie-Stripclub-p4p-Large selection of Nonmongering Activities.

Regards.

Ok so here it goes.

Just came back from Charmel.

The place was ok, nice facilities, bed, bathroom offered before and after.

There were about 7-8 girls, all around 5's; one 7 (8 body for me. 6 face wise = 7) petite blonde

Wow not speaking Russian really blocks tyou. Trying to talk with her was impossible, no touching private areas, just breast, no bbj only covered, couldn't go to deep (I'm very average.)

The actual sex was good IMHO, loved her body and her noises. When I was about to finish I ask her (tried to ask) where I could cum. After a view "stoh" she gets up, says time up, and dresses. WTF? I'm not even done! She says she has to go talk to the manager whatever. Comes back 5 min later, finaylly manage to cob. ; 40 min passed (15 just trying to comunicate) but she says 5min left. At that point even if I could have more time didn't want it.

Fun experience all in all as never been to a brothel and being Monday probably not the best time. Also think I saw about 3 other guys go before me so probably the good ones were gone.

Not sure what to think but really too expensive for what you get (again if you don't know Russian.)

Enjoy

[QUOTE=Sour3113;1489387]Wow not speaking Russian really blocks you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's true. Even though there are so many more girls speaking English in Moscow these days, you can still find yourself in a situation where you just can't be understood. And in these cases, Russians are Russians and if they think they can pull a "fast one" on you, they will. But dud, I have to give you a lot of credit for trying. Clearly you are of an adventurous nature. While it's much more expensive to do so, going for on-site sex in the strip clubs is a much more straightforward process. But you blazed a trail for yourself. Well done.

BTW. As you know, this Thursday is Halloween. The Moscovites are REALLY warming up to this holiday and it is becoming a very popular party day. If you are still in Moscow on Thursday night, I would highly recommend that you visit one of the more popular clubs / bars to take advantage of some non-pro girls. Old School Pub

[url]www.ospub.ru[/url]

will be loaded with horny drunk girls as will the newly opened location of Papas

[url]www.papas.ru[/url]

Thursday is also Ladies Night so there are sure to be lots and lots of girls. NOTE: Papas moved from it's old location on Myasnitskaya to the new location at Nikolskaya #10 (formerly the location of Club Pacha.

[QUOTE=Sour3113;1489387]Fun experience all in all as never been to a brothel[/QUOTE]IMHO it is often like this, simply a waste of money and not enjoyable. The girls can tell if you are a noob and can be taken advantage of. It's best to play powerful once they are ready in the room, like don't ask anything. Simply take them and get going. I lost my virginity in a brothel at 15, I'm still not sure how I managed to pull that off, maybe because I went through pubity quite young but most likely because I had the cash in hand but it was actually a good experience. I only visit very occasionally now a days, in my early 20's I went back to my original brothel and by chance took the same lady who I saw when 15, though I didn't bring this up. But now generally only visit thai massage places because I'm just looking to relax and be massaged. On the occasions that I go, it is usually with high hopes and leave disappointed. For me it is simply a bad habit like drinking too much and feeling hung over the next day with regrets. This is the major reason I was simply dating Russian devs when I was there recently but also because I gain the most pleasure from fucking knowing that the other person is really enjoying it and I simply find it difficult if money has changed hands.

Though given limited time and that every man should fuck a Russian beauty at least once in his life, brothels are a good option.

Hi Guys,

I am coming to Moscow for 2 days. What is the best recommendation to meet a girl for the entire day / night? Websites are good, but would prefer actual experience if possible.

I only speak English.

Thanks!

Jay

Hi,

Is the profiles on rusprostitute. Com / legit or is it mostly scams?

[QUOTE=Werspe; 1490215]Hi Guys,

I am coming to Moscow for 2 days. What is the best recommendation to meet a girl for the entire day / night? Websites are good, but would prefer actual experience if possible.

I only speak English.

Thanks!

Jay[/QUOTE]Jay,

If you only have two days, then you need to make them count. If you don't want to invest the time cultivating a web relationship with a girl (like our hero YummyPL) , then you choices are limited. I would suggest you get your ass to Night Flight at about 23:00 on the day you arrive, skip the restaurant and go straight to the bar and start negotiating. A lot of these girls are still students meaning they speak English and have flexible schedules that will allow them to stay with you. *But BE WARNED! A lot of these girls are crafty and will want to slip out the door after a few pops from you. Be explicit about how long you want them to stay and be prepared to pay for their time. Get it out on the table up front and you will probably avoid being pissed off later.

Good luck!

Jake

[QUOTE=Samsungskruf; 1490381]Hi,

Is the profiles on rusprostitute. Com / legit or is it mostly scams?[/QUOTE]Seems Legit. I say so for two reasons. First, because several of these girls are on other sites that I KNOW are legit and second, because I have actually been with one of them on this site.

So there you go.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1490474]*But BE WARNED! A lot of these girls are crafty and will want to slip out the door after a few pops from you. Be explicit about how long you want them to stay and be prepared to pay for their time. Get it out on the table up front and you will probably avoid being pissed off later.[/QUOTE]Werspe,

Normally, I always recommend to stay away from Night Flight. If you want to go there to window shop then by all means, knock yourself out, but buy your sex somewhere else.

In this case, Jake is right. If you only have 2 nights in Moscow and you only speak English, then Night Flight is pretty much your (gulp) best choice. Negotiating with the NF fairies is a bit of Faustian proposition, so you had best gird your loins and be prepared for battle.

Three things to remember...

1) Be specific. One of the ploys of the Night Flight dyevchyonki is to promise you everything and deliver nothing. Be very specific about the services you expect from the girl you are negotiating with. Every detail should be spelled out clearly and make sure she understands and agrees. If you want your BJ without a condom, make sure that's clear. If you want more than one pop, or multiple positions, or a certain amount of time, make sure all of these demands are fully stated, understood and agreed to by the girl, before you leave the club.

2) Price. Another ploy of the dyevchyonki at NF is to play the currency shell game. Most Russians are natural FX traders. There are 3 curriencies in common use in Russia; the Ruble, Dollar and Euro. Russians know the exchange rate for each, and every day they make dozens of calculations about each currency in the course of their daily lives. You won't beat them at this game. So, before you go, decide how much money you are willing to spend and what the amount is in each currency. Before you leave the club, make sure that not only the price is fixed, but also the currency used for payment. Don't wait until the time comes to pay up, and the girl tells you,"Oh no... I did not say 300 Dollars, I said 300 Euros."

3) With the odd exception, the dyeffki at NF are hardened pros. They are there to extract the maximum amount of money from you for the least amount of effort. You are there to extract the maximum amount of sex for the least amount of money. Come to think of it, it's a little like being married. :o So, the only advantage you have is to keep your money in your pocket. Make it clear to the girl that you will not pay until after you are finished. If the girl agrees to stay overnight, then say,"Fine, I will pay you in the morning, when you leave." That should eliminate about 90% of the gold diggers and help you to find the one jem who just got off the bus, or the student who is just looking to make a little spending money.

BTW-- If it's possible, try to get everything you have agreed to in writing, preferably in blood. This is your best guarantee of success.

You think I'm joking, right? That's OK, keep laughing...

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1490703]Negotiating with the NF fairies is a bit of Faustian proposition, so you had best gird your loins and be prepared for battle.[/QUOTE]Strav, stop it! You're killing me! Ha, ha, ha, ha.

But seriously you are spot on.

However, I do realize that it has been quite some time since you visited NF, correct? You should be aware that the "complexion" of the place has changed a little. Back in the day, EVERY dyev spoke near fluent English. Today, not so much. I was there a few months ago with a Moscow first timer business colleague and I was shocked at how many girls were there who did not speak more than a few words of English. The hardened pros were STILL there up to their old trick speaking near-flawless English, but the significant presence of girls who appeared to be fresh-off-the-bus led me to believe that there may be a few diamonds in the rough these days.

Having said all that, however, even if this new data of mine is true it does not really help our new fellow monger. He's best to follow your sage advice and "gird his loins"!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1490932]I was shocked at how many girls were there who did not speak more than a few words of English. The hardened pros were STILL there up to their old trick speaking near-flawless English, but the significant presence of girls who appeared to be fresh-off-the-bus led me to believe that there may be a few diamonds in the rough these days.[/QUOTE]Jake,

You're right, it's been a long time since I have crossed the threshold of NF, for all of the aforementioned reasons.

Sex should not be an adversarial relationship. Unless, of course, you're getting a divorce. I'm more like Iceberg-sit in a strip club, play the lazy boy and grab ass as it walks by. That's my idea of fun.

I suppose there is a sort of excitement in the challenge of venturing into NF and either, a) finding the one gem who, basically, doesn't know enough yet to know any better and taking her back to your apartment until morning for $300 (or Euros) or, b) beating the "sooki" at their own game. But is it really worth the effort? There's so many other productive endeavors you could be spending your time on in Moscow. At least, if you speak Russian.

So that's interesting about the Russian speaking dyeffki in NF. If that's the case and this is a trend, then NF will no longer be the no-brainer that it has always been. Are they still catering to foreign businessmen? Has the mission statement changed? Any ideas about why more of the women there are speaking Russian?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1491069]Jake,

So that's interesting about the Russian speaking dyeffki in NF. If that's the case and this is a trend, then NF will no longer be the no-brainer that it has always been. Are they still catering to foreign businessmen? Has the mission statement changed? Any ideas about why more of the women there are speaking Russian?[/QUOTE]Strav,

I think it all boils down to supply and demand. There is a much demand for pussy as there ever has been in Moscow. However, I think the supply of super hot English speaking young Russian girls willing too strip and hook is dwindling. NF makes money on booze and cover charge. If they have to "change" their standards to keep people coming in the door then that's what they will do. Having said that, I found the "fluent" English speakers to be a little too crass for my liking. There was an element of charm and the "illusion of innocence" that was missing. When people ask me if I speak Russian, I tell them I know enough to get into jail but not enough to get out! That means I can have a rudimentary conversation with a girl fresh-off-the-bus so I consider myself fortunate in that regard.

Incidentally, since breaking up with one of my regulars, I have been casting an eye towards picking up one nighters or even availing myself of a WG from time to time. Last night I was at a Halloween party in a local club when I was approached by not one but TWO rather fetching girls offering to come home with me for a threesome. So it's not just well established hooker bars like NF and Hot Dogs where you can get propositioned. It happens in well respectable bars and clubs as well. Just an FYI.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1491295]Strav,

"Last night I was at a Halloween party in a local club when I was approached by not one but TWO rather fetching girls offering to come home with me for a threesome."

Freebie threesome? All inclusive price? Or pay per sex act? And what exactly does the qualifier "rather" mean? Sort of fetching? Almost fetching? Not quite fetching? Or idiosyncratic jargon for very fetching? The devil is in the details.

I'd say the money issue is the biggest change happening in Russia, especially in the major cities. StPb, Moscow, Novosibirsk, etc. Or, rather, its already happened. Cities that attract both a lot of Russian and Russian Federation (who don't need visas) and W European and American sex tourists / businessmen. The fact is there are a lot of Russian and Russian Federation men, especially in Moscow and StPb now, with a lot of disposable income and, obviously, command of the language. There are more and more of them in the clubs and bars, more and more of them using the websites, and they are, frankly, the preferred option for most of the girls these days. And, really, they have more money to throw around then most of us, and, as diplomatically as possible, they are also often younger than us. They meet the girls at expensive restaurants, treat them to expensive meals, take them back to 5 Star hotels, and have a plate stacked full of white powder in their hotel room (with the line upon entering the room "Want something from room service? Order anything you want."). The days of Russian girls spying a European or American guy in a club and concluding he's a fine catch are long gone.

Unless, unless, as has been pointed out, you can linger in these cities, find the out of the way clubs and such, places off the beaten path, or make an excursion into the provinces, where life is very very different for Russians. The gap between urban Russian and rural Russian is huge, which is why posters here constantly refer to trying to find a girl 'just off the bus' from the provinces.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1491356]There are more and more of them in the clubs and bars, more and more of them using the websites, and they are, frankly, the preferred option for most of the girls these days. The days of Russian girls spying a European or American guy in a club and concluding he's a fine catch are long gone.[/QUOTE]Hmmm... have to disagree with you on that. Russian men have a certain way of treating their women, and no amount of money will ever change that. The interest of Russian women in Western men has always been about more than just money, or a Green Card. It's also about attitude and the way Western men treat women. And that part of the equation will never change, it will always be in our favor.

[QUOTE]Unless, unless, as has been pointed out, you can linger in these cities, find the out of the way clubs and such, places off the beaten path, or make an excursion into the provinces, where life is very very different for Russians. The gap between urban Russian and rural Russian is huge, which is why posters here constantly refer to trying to find a girl 'just off the bus' from the provinces.[/QUOTE]Amen to that, brother, cannot be said enough. The Golden Age of mongering in Moscow is over, it's no longer a matter of shooting fish in a barrel. We have to dig a little deeper and work a little harder, but the rewards are there for those who are willing to make the effort.

I'm sitting in the Swiss Air lounge at DMO waiting for my flight to Zurich connecting home to the USA.

Strav is absolutely correct when he says that you have to "dig a little deeper and work a little harder" if you want something more than expensive P4P. I just completed 8 days in Samara and another 8 in Moscow after literally hundreds of hours of pre-trip contact with my girls. It isn't easy but it can be very rewarding.

Moscow was a bit of a bust this trip but there were some new openings and some good prospects for the future. Samara was certainly a different experience and opened up some new possibilities.

As has been emphasized again and again by our esteemed friends here, if you want to enter the parallel universe that is hiding in Russia, learn some Russian, learn some Russian, learn some Russian.

Full reports to follow with pictures.)))

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis; 1491356]

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1491295]Freebie threesome? All inclusive price? Or pay per sex act? And what exactly does the qualifier "rather" mean? Sort of fetching? Almost fetching? Not quite fetching? Or idiosyncratic jargon for very fetching? The devil is in the details.[/QUOTE]Let's call it Freebie threesome with "presents". I am SURE I could have gotten away without paying anything but it would not be polite. While these girls were not hardened pros, I could tell that they expected SOMETHING for their trouble. Had they been strictly pros money would have had to have been on the table before a stitch of clothing came off. These girls were more interested in drinking my whisky and eating my food than talking about money. It was only the next morning when they were preparing to leave did they embarrassingly ask about "little presents". They were delighted when I gave them 5, 000 rubles each.

Oh, and "rather fetching" in this case means it's my sarcastic way of saying they were pretty hot. Not 9's or 10's but certainly 7 or 8.

Dear all,

I'm in my late 20's. I generally make the difference in club. And pulled out girl in most cities in the world. So I would like an advice. If I want to score a freebie. A girl who would be out for a one night stand. Which club do I go?

I don't necessarily want upscale stuff. A student is fine just a good looking Russian who speak English.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6;1492574]Guys, out of curiosity, are the girls over there stunning? And They all go by 300 $?[/QUOTE]Like every other place in the world, it's about supply and demand. Today, the more stunning the girl, the more expensive it is. There and many very stunning girls in Russia but these days not very many are working girls.

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6; 1492577]Dear all,

I'm in my late 20's. I generally make the difference in club. And pulled out girl in most cities in the world. So I would like an advice. If I want to score a freebie. A girl who would be out for a one night stand. Which club do I go?

I don't necessarily want upscale stuff. A student is fine just a good looking Russian who speak English.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Che.

Old School Pub.

Tiki Bar.

Papas

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6;1492817]Thank you Jake![/QUOTE]I was at the NEW Papas for a while last night. It is a HUGE improvement over the old place. Much roomier, cleaner and yet with the same "trashy" chic style. Wednesdays, the drinks are dirt cheap attracting all kinds of girls from the Universities. Target Rich Environment.

[url]www.papas.ru[/url]

I'm staying at one of the 5* hotels in Moscow, and there are some very hot pros in the bar. Can someone give me an idea of the going rate? Online rate seems to be around $250 for a couple of hours (e. G.

[url]www.rusdosug.com[/url]

A friend has told me the strip clubs are charging around $500, though he's not done it himself.

On my way back to home, I'll be in Moscow (airport- 1st time) for 17 Hrs. Need some suggestions in how to make more enjoyable this short time. First, some questions:

1. Do I need any visa to get into the city? (This is obvious, but maybe there is another option: transit-visa)

2. What is the cheapest way to get into the city? (train-bus? I could check google)

3. Mongering options? (I'll be from 5 PM thru 10 AM next day)

Thanks for any help.

Razor

[QUOTE=Razor; 1495206]On my way back to home, I'll be in Moscow (airport- 1st time) for 17 Hrs. Need some suggestions in how to make more enjoyable this short time. First, some questions:

1. Do I need any visa to get into the city? (This is obvious, but maybe there is another option: transit-visa)

2. What is the cheapest way to get into the city? (train-bus? I could check google)

3. Mongering options? (I'll be from 5 PM thru 10 AM next day)

Thanks for any help.

Razor[/QUOTE]Yes you need a visa and you must apply for the visa in your home country. You cannot apply for it at the airport or in another country you are visiting. You can apply for a visa extension while in Russia but not the original.

[QUOTE=Razor;1495206]On my way back to home, I'll be in Moscow (airport- 1st time) for 17 Hrs. Need some suggestions in how to make more enjoyable this short time.Razor[/QUOTE]If you do not already have a visa to enter the RF, then you will not be allowed to leave the transit area of the airport. Say Hi to Eddie for me, if you happen to run into him.

Sleep tight...

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1495239]If you do not already have a visa to enter the RF, then you will not be allowed to leave the transit area of the airport. Say Hi to Eddie for me, if you happen to run into him.

Sleep tight.[/QUOTE]Strav is right. Without a visa, you will not be permitted to leave the airport. HOWEVER, there has been a proposed amendment before the State Duma which proposes that "in transit" travelers be permitted to remain in Moscow for up to 3 days WITHOUT a visa! Unfortunately Razor, this will be of no use to you this time. Which airport are you going through? DME, SVO, or VNK? DME allows you to wander the airport and does not restrict you to the transit area anymore. It also has a few decent restaurants and an Irish Pub on the ground level. The problem is going to be paying for anything unless you have Rubles. There SHOULD be a currency exchange you can have access to plus there are several duty free stores you can visit. They all will take credit cards. The other two I am not so familiar with the transit arrangements. As far as monger action goes, your options are "zilch" unless you can get lucky with a fellow traveler in the bathroom. Sorry dude.

BTW. Eddie has been gone from SVO for a while now. He has been spotted around town here and there but has made himself pretty scarce in someone's dacha.

[QUOTE=Razor; 1495206]On my way back to home, I'll be in Moscow (airport- 1st time) for 17 Hrs. Need some suggestions in how to make more enjoyable this short time. First, some questions:

1. Do I need any visa to get into the city? (This is obvious, but maybe there is another option: transit-visa)

2. What is the cheapest way to get into the city? (train-bus? I could check google)

3. Mongering options? (I'll be from 5 PM thru 10 AM next day)

Thanks for any help.

Razor[/QUOTE]1. Yes, you do need a visa to get into Russia! I've read it can take several weeks to get a visa and even after that, you could still run into problems.

2. Depends on what part of the city you'd like to go?

3. Depends on your budget, taste, etc.

It seems like I'll be spending the whole time in the airport area (BTW is the SVO) , it's just too much trouble to get in the city for such short time. I'll try to get back here next summer.

Strav, I'll promise to say hello to Eddie, if I find him.

Best Regards

R.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1495247]Strav is right. Without a visa, you will not be permitted to leave the airport. HOWEVER, there has been a proposed amendment before the State Duma which proposes that "in transit" travelers be permitted to remain in Moscow for up to 3 days WITHOUT a visa! Unfortunately Razor, this will be of no use to you this time. Which airport are you going through? DME, SVO, or VNK? DME allows you to wander the airport and does not restrict you to the transit area anymore. It also has a few decent restaurants and an Irish Pub on the ground level. The problem is going to be paying for anything unless you have Rubles. There SHOULD be a currency exchange you can have access to plus there are several duty free stores you can visit. They all will take credit cards. The other two I am not so familiar with the transit arrangements. As far as monger action goes, your options are "zilch" unless you can get lucky with a fellow traveler in the bathroom. Sorry dude.

BTW. Eddie has been gone from SVO for a while now. He has been spotted around town here and there but has made himself pretty scarce in someone's dacha.[/QUOTE]

Called up many girls on Rusudog. Com. Eventually got through to Sasha. Website says she's in her 20s. More like in her 40s. Reasonable shag, but I couldn't be arsed, so told her to leave.

I hit the salon Dolce Vita again a few times a few weeks ago. The experience was similar to those I have had there in the past. Now there seemed to be a slightly better ratio of girls to customers, but also a bit more upselling. On one occasion I had a lineup of 12-14 girls to choose from. Compared to the more upmarket places it is cheaper, not very well managed, a bit chaotic, the shower is a bit trashy and the girls can be maverick. Or wonderful. It can be a very fun playground to try out the different girls.

[QUOTE=Cucumber; 1409191]I tried the salon Dolce Vita last week.

It turned out the entrance was a door at the bottom of a small staircase right of a street (I. E. No podezd etc.). It is the far left end of the corner building marked red on the map on their website, Bolshaya Dorogomilovskaya Ulitsa 5. The door is ten meters up from a shop that sells Indian spices.

On the other hand, if you can just find the entrance, you don't need to go in multiple doors, ring door bells, go up multiple floors etc.[/QUOTE]

Hi cucumber. Thanks for the report. Sounds interesting and I'm keen to try my luck in this place. Just a few questions.

Can you show up at the place you have mentioned without ringing beforehand? If I find the door you are talking about, I can just walk in or something? And in theory, is it 3000RUB for full services? Or extra money for sex, BBBJ etc?

I usually go to somewhere a bit further up the road at Kutosovsky Prospect 22 which I think is linked to eromassage. Ru. You can only get an erotic massage there. Basically, the masseuse is naked, gives you a massage, rubs her body on you and finishes with a HJ, although 2 have allowed DATY before. The cost is 2500RUB for an hour, which now seems expensive if you can get full srvices for 3000RUB at Dolce Vita. Perhaps other members have been to the place I am describing and have managed to negotiate more services? I've been 7 or 8 times now and never got more than a HJ though. PM me for specific details if you want.

This is a fantasy I was thinking about.

I have a stop in the airport from 05. 00 in the morning until 13. 00 in about a week from now.

I could get a visa for some fun, but will I reach a strip club before closing if I arrive in the airport so early? I could book a transit hotell and sleep, or if possible get an escort. I would like to have some action. Anyone with a suggestion? Did anyone ever had a session with a girl somewhere in the airport?

[QUOTE=Dick1; 1504946]This is a fantasy I was thinking about.

I have a stop in the airport from 05. 00 in the morning until 13. 00 in about a week from now.

I could get a visa for some fun, but will I reach a strip club before closing if I arrive in the airport so early? I could book a transit hotell and sleep, or if possible get an escort. I would like to have some action. Anyone with a suggestion? Did anyone ever had a session with a girl somewhere in the airport?[/QUOTE]Dude. It will be a close one. Most of the mainstream strip clubs with sex on the premises close about 6:00 AM. Of course, there are always exceptions but are you willing to take the chance? I would say that your best bet is to find a hotel at the airport (BTW. Which airport? SVO, DME, VKO?) and see if you can arrange something in advance with a girl from.

[url]www.rusdosug.com.[/url]

But again, if you were a working girl, would you come to a hotel at the airport at 6:00 AM to meet a guy you don't know? Good luck!

[QUOTE=TranquilLife;1497488]Called up many girls on Rusudog. Com. Eventually got through to Sasha. Website says she's in her 20s. More like in her 40s. Reasonable shag, but I couldn't be arsed, so told her to leave.[/QUOTE]They all smoke and drink heavily, many do not age well because of it.

[QUOTE=Dash Riprock;1506182]They all smoke and drink heavily, many do not age well because of it.[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha, you just described 80% of the Russian population!

[QUOTE=Dash Riprock;1506182]They all smoke and drink heavily, many do not age well because of it.[/QUOTE]Not sure it is the smoking and drinking that causes them to age badly. In my opinion mostly for Russian girls it's the getting fat at 30 that causes them to age badly and I put this down to smothering their food with mayonnaise and also all the fast food they now eat

[QUOTE=Jonners;1506271]Not sure it is the smoking and drinking that causes them to age badly. In my opinion mostly for Russian girls it's the getting fat at 30 that causes them to age badly and I put this down to smothering their food with mayonnaise and also all the fast food they now eat[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's a REALLY interesting question. In their 20's they ALL eat cakes and sweets and it does not seem to affect them. But at 30, all of sudden it's someone pulls a ripcord and then "vhoom". Now, this is a terrible generalization because I know plenty of Russian women in their 30's and even 40's who keep slim and trim. But these seem to be from a particular genetic group being really small boned. I think the give away is the legs. If you see skinny ankles and slim thighs, she going to to keep slim. But if she's got chubby ankles and generous thighs, watch out. Ha, ha. Funny how this thread went from health to spotting fat chicks.

Hi,

Hot Dogs used to be one of my favorite bars. Now unfortunately it is closed. What happened to the bar. Where did all the girls go.

The Real Mccoy also closed so another favorite bar gone.

Che is impossible to get in let's say after 10:00-11:00 in the evening so forget this place. Seems that Moscow is getting boring to go out.

[QUOTE=Member #2096; 1506898]Hi,

Hot Dogs used to be one of my favorite bars. Now unfortunately it is closed. What happened to the bar. Where did all the girls go.

The Real Mccoy also closed so another favorite bar gone.

Che is impossible to get in let's say after 10:00-11:00 in the evening so forget this place. Seems that Moscow is getting boring to go out.[/QUOTE]Moscow boring? Please. You're just getting lazy. Plenty of replacement places to go of equal or better quality if you just read the forum! Just depends what you are looking for. For non-pros, a few off the top are Old School Pub, the NEW Papas Place (where Club Pacha used to be). Kukle Pistoleta (Dolls with Guns) near metro Mendeleyevskaya and The Standard. And there is a new place opening up this weekend called Beavers2 which is a Hooter's knock off. The list goes on and on so please don't tell us Moscow is getting boring.

If you are looking for a Hooker Bar like Hot Dogs used to be you will be a little disappointed. This kind of bar has gone underground lately with the exception of Night Flight. Having said that, if you go into almost ANY bar in Moscow after 23:00 and look for the girls hanging around the bar, you will find working girls.

[QUOTE=Member #2096;1506898]Seems that Moscow is getting boring to go out.[/QUOTE][i]... being bored is an insult to oneself. [/i] -- Jules Renard

[i]There are no boring cities, only boring mongers. [/i] -- Stravinsky

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1507165][i]. Being bored is an insult to oneself. [/i]. Jules Renard.

[i]There are no boring cities, only boring mongers. [/i]. Stravinsky[/QUOTE]Another place that become VERY good for picking up non-pro girls is Life Pub.

[url]http://lifepub.ru/[/url]

It's near metro Baumanskaya. Very good place on Friday nights. Good crowd and lots of girls. Good band most weekends. Good dance floor and DJ after the band.

There always seems to be a lot of girls there either celebrating a birthday or some such other occasion. And generally not may foreigners which IMHO is a good thing when trying pick up local girls.

Borning indeed. Was this your plan all along? Get me pissed off so that I would tell you all my secret places? Ha ha ha

[QUOTE=Jake993;1507476]Borning indeed. Was this your plan all along? Get me pissed off so that I would tell you all my secret places? Ha ha ha[/QUOTE]Jake,

Not at all, I was responding to Member #2096. But if the unintended result was to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off and incite you to reveal the location of your secret places, then, so much the better! :)

[QUOTE=Member #2096; 1506898]Hi,

Hot Dogs used to be one of my favorite bars. Now unfortunately it is closed. What happened to the bar. Where did all the girls go.

The Real Mccoy also closed so another favorite bar gone.

Che is impossible to get in let's say after 10:00-11:00 in the evening so forget this place. Seems that Moscow is getting boring to go out.[/QUOTE]Why don't you start warming up yourself with a dinner on Milwyn Restaurant on Novvy Arbat?

Trust me you wouldn't be regretfull.

Wish to be there instead of getting bored here in.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1507575]Why don't you start warming up yourself with a dinner on Milwyn Restaurant on Novvy Arbat?

Trust me you wouldn't be regretfull.

Wish to be there instead of getting bored here in.[/QUOTE]Icberg,

I am ashamed to admit that I DO NOT know this restaurant called Milwyn on Novy Arbat.

Where exactly is it? Do you have the house number. I would like to try it.

It's hard to keep up with all of the new restaurants in Moscow but I am trying!

[quote=jake993; 1508123]icberg,

i am ashamed to admit that i do not know this restaurant called milwyn on novy arbat.

where exactly is it? do you have the house number. i would like to try it.

it's hard to keep up with all of the new restaurants in moscow but i am trying![/quote]jake. if i am not wrong it should be one of these two.

you will understand that you are in right place when you see the high-school uniform [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] waitresses.

they have a striptease and dancing show every 20 mins.

enjoy it.

hamburger was terrible but i am sure rest of the menu is nice.

i miss the smoked salmons in moscow and the beatiful legs servicing it. anyway. wait for winter ends.

regards

It is possible to pick up girls from " Milwyn Restaurant" on "Novvy Arbat"? Or just eye candy? For a foreigner doesn't speak Russian?

[QUOTE=Kiev Freak;1508753]It is possible to pick up girls from " Milwyn Restaurant" on "Novvy Arbat"? Or just eye candy? For a foreigner doesn't speak Russian?[/QUOTE]Normally it's not possible.

But I had some good vibes from the whiskie girl who has amazing legs. So briefly it depends on your flirting skills.

"good vibes". Does this mean she smiled at you? Gave you her phone number? Accepted an invitation to meet you after work or what?

[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1509029]Normally it's not possible.

But I had some good vibes from the whiskie girl who has amazing legs. So briefly it depends on your flirting skills.[/QUOTE]

[quote=iceberg27; 1508626]jake. if i am not wrong it should be one of these two.

you will understand that you are in right place when you see the high-school uniform [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] waitresses.

they have a striptease and dancing show every 20 mins.

enjoy it.

hamburger was terrible but i am sure rest of the menu is nice.

i miss the smoked salmons in moscow and the beatiful legs servicing it. anyway. wait for winter ends.

regards[/quote]ha ha ha ha! that's molly gwinn's pub! on the right hand side. on the left is shesh besh which is a kebab place.

true, on thursday nights they have a "belly dancers" that perform every 20 minutes. which is kinda fun. as for the waitresses, beware! while they are all cute and will flirt a little several of them have boyfriends who are face control at molly gwinn's who don't appreciate you hitting on their chicks.

[QUOTE=Member #2096; 1506898]Hi,

Hot Dogs used to be one of my favorite bars. Now unfortunately it is closed. What happened to the bar. Where did all the girls go.

The Real Mccoy also closed so another favorite bar gone.

Che is impossible to get in let's say after 10:00-11:00 in the evening so forget this place. Seems that Moscow is getting boring to go out.[/QUOTE]I went to Hot Dogs on Sunday 8th December and was surprised to find it closed. Always had a love hate relationship with the place, but usually had fun there. I called an old GF from Hot Dogs and she told me that all the girls are moving to Concert. Which is about 200m furher along the road (same side) as HD. Apparently there was trouble with the mamochka not paying the police their cut from the girls' 2000rub exit fee. Not sure if the police closed it, or if its going to be redeveloped (which was mooted a few years ago).

Its true that lots of Moscow institiutions that were expat friendly have closed (started with the Exile IMHO) but there are still thousands of unexplored and unreported bars and clubs full of what we're all looking for. Just got to be brave and get stuck in.

Hasta la victoria siempre. RC.

[QUOTE=Ricardo Cabro; 1509431]I went to Hot Dogs on Sunday 8th December and was surprised to find it closed. Always had a love hate relationship with the place, but usually had fun there. I called an old GF from Hot Dogs and she told me that all the girls are moving to Concert. Which is about 200m furher along the road (same side) as HD. Apparently there was trouble with the mamochka not paying the police their cut from the girls' 2000rub exit fee. Not sure if the police closed it, or if its going to be redeveloped (which was mooted a few years ago).

Its true that lots of Moscow institiutions that were expat friendly have closed (started with the Exile IMHO) but there are still thousands of unexplored and unreported bars and clubs full of what we're all looking for. Just got to be brave and get stuck in.

Hasta la victoria siempre. RC.[/QUOTE]I REMEMBER Concert! I have fond memories about getting a BJ in the bathroom there in 2006! Thanks for the heads-up!

[QUOTE=Ricardo Cabro;1509431]Its true that lots of Moscow institiutions that were expat friendly have closed (started with the Exile IMHO) but there are still thousands of unexplored and unreported bars and clubs full of what we're all looking for. Just got to be brave and get stuck in.[/QUOTE]Hey buddy,

Let's be truthful about Moscow. Starting about four years ago, the culture turned toxic towards foreigners. If you have true business purposes in the city, by all means go explore. Otherwise, just don't come here. Nothing but an isolated island of people that don't like you and it's going to get worse with this dictator.

[QUOTE=Leggio1; 1509676]Hey buddy,

Let's be truthful about Moscow. Starting about four years ago, the culture turned toxic towards foreigners. If you have true business purposes in the city, by all means go explore. Otherwise, just don't come here. Nothing but an isolated island of people that don't like you and it's going to get worse with this dictator.[/QUOTE]Hey Leggio, your view is a tad jaundiced. I've never experienced any toxic behavior and I've made 50+ visits to Moscow in the last 12 years. Its true that foreigners aren't the great catch they used to be, but that doesn't mean that the girls don't appreciate good fun, good humour, good manners and good sex. Moscovites are generally helpful and inquisitive and they love to have fun. I've had my fair share of GF's and PFP and no real bad experiences. And the girls' attitude to sex is much healthier than in many other countries. I've even shared a bottle of vodka with a police captain after being taken in for a 'problem' with my visa. Its all about attitude. If you go to Moscow with the view that its toxic and nobody likes you. Then that's probably what you'll find. History has a tendency to repeat itself, and Moscow was whole lot more fun under stricter state control than in the last few years of "democracy", so President P maybe doing us all a favour)

[QUOTE=Ricardo Cabro;1509718]If you go to Moscow with the view that its toxic and nobody likes you. Then that's probably what you'll find. History has a tendency to repeat itself, and Moscow was whole lot more fun under stricter state control than in the last few years of "democracy", so President P maybe doing us all a favour[/QUOTE]Absolutely spot-on, cannot be said enough. Something else that cannot be said enough is that if you speak a little Russian, all kinds of doors will be open to you.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1509213]Ha ha ha ha! That's Molly Gwinn's Pub! On the right hand side. On the left is Shesh Besh which is a Kebab place.

True, on Thursday nights they have a "belly dancers" that perform every 20 minutes. Which is kinda fun. As for the waitresses, beware! While they are all cute and will flirt a little several of them have boyfriends who are face control at Molly Gwinn's who don't appreciate you hitting on their chicks.[/QUOTE]Guys you know I am not so good reading cyrillic. BTW stoppped studying Russian. Usually you have a great motivation when you already turn back from EE and after a time you loose it because you don't need it in your own country.

I believe picking up a girl from such places depends on your choice of the true target with true strategies and of course with your looking and age. I have to admit that I was 12-13 years older than the girls there and I was just mindblowed with one of 20 s legs. She was friendly but didn't accept my offer for going to havana club together.

Jake, working girls guys ratio was at least 5 to 1 there so it s impossible that all of them has a bf there. But I also have to say that whiskie girl I try to pick up, left the restaurant with 4 other girls and 2 young guys probably from outside.

I know you guys may excoriate me for posting this here and not in the internet dating thread, but there is not a lot of info there about using Mamba to hook up in Moscow. Most of the discussions are about using it in the provinces.

I've been on for about a week with very little success. I am chatting regularly with some girls but so far no one has agreed to meet up. (I did have one meeting lined up but the girl cancelled because she said she had a temperature. Yeah right!).

I have ben getting a lot of offers form girls who want to meet up for cash. They are asking anywhere form 3k to 10 k. I've avoided this as I am worried about the old bait and switch with the fotos (or worse). Does anyone have any experience with this?

Maybe I'm just wasting my time on Mamba? Any advice would be much appreciated.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya; 1509910]I know you guys may excoriate me for posting this here and not in the internet dating thread, but there is not a lot of info there about using Mamba to hook up in Moscow. Most of the discussions are about using it in the provinces.

I've been on for about a week with very little success. I am chatting regularly with some girls but so far no one has agreed to meet up. (I did have one meeting lined up but the girl cancelled because she said she had a temperature. Yeah right!).

I have ben getting a lot of offers form girls who want to meet up for cash. They are asking anywhere form 3k to 10 k. I've avoided this as I am worried about the old bait and switch with the fotos (or worse). Does anyone have any experience with this?

Maybe I'm just wasting my time on Mamba? Any advice would be much appreciated.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V[/QUOTE]In my personal opinion, Mamba is a waste of time for meeting girls in Moscow. It used to be good some years ago but now it seems that it is frequented more often now by Hookers and scam artists. You are not alone in your experience.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1509913]In my personal opinion, Mamba is a waste of time for meeting girls in Moscow. It used to be good some years ago but now it seems that it is frequented more often now by Hookers and scam artists. You are not alone in your experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. I will keep trying for a while with the 2-3 girls I am in contact with and seem legit.

I may also take up oen of these P4Pers eventually. Though I am scared of ending up in an iced up bath tub missing a kidney. LOL.

I will try and hit Concert and a few other places tonight and will post my experiences.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya; 1509910]I know you guys may excoriate me for posting this here and not in the internet dating thread, but there is not a lot of info there about using Mamba to hook up in Moscow. Most of the discussions are about using it in the provinces.

I've been on for about a week with very little success. I am chatting regularly with some girls but so far no one has agreed to meet up. (I did have one meeting lined up but the girl cancelled because she said she had a temperature. Yeah right!).

I have ben getting a lot of offers form girls who want to meet up for cash. They are asking anywhere form 3k to 10 k. I've avoided this as I am worried about the old bait and switch with the fotos (or worse). Does anyone have any experience with this?

Maybe I'm just wasting my time on Mamba? Any advice would be much appreciated.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V[/QUOTE]I have used mamba a lot in Moscow, and I have been very happy with it.

But I always pay (3 to 10 K)! First because there is no other way, second because then I am free to do what I want.

I have met a lot of girls, many of them are very attractive and sexy (the "individual" do not cheat so much with the photos, only a little about their age) , many times we had passionate sex.

Some of them were really hookers, but most of them, and I try to spot them, were girls having a normal life, a normal job, some even had husband they live with.

Some of them I choose to meet again and we have entered in a "friendship" relation. And if ever I wanted, some of the relations could be tighten. On top of that, one of them took me to group sex parties and next summer I plan to drive one of them (with her car) from Moscow to the Caspian sea.

Is there a better way that mamba to visit the country?

Now If you don't want to pay and you don't learn Russian, there is nothing mamba can do for you.

[QUOTE=Chercheur; 1509962]I have used mamba a lot in Moscow, and I have been very happy with it.

But I always pay (3 to 10 K)! First because there is no other way, second because then I am free to do what I want.

I have met a lot of girls, many of them are very attractive and sexy (the "individual" do not cheat so much with the photos, only a little about their age) , many times we had passionate sex.

Some of them were really hookers, but most of them, and I try to spot them, were girls having a normal life, a normal job, some even had husband they live with.

Some of them I choose to meet again and we have entered in a "friendship" relation. And if ever I wanted, some of the relations could be tighten. On top of that, one of them took me to group sex parties and next summer I plan to drive one of them (with her car) from Moscow to the Caspian sea.

Is there a better way that mamba to visit the country?

Now If you don't want to pay and you don't learn Russian, there is nothing mamba can do for you.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. I really appreciate you sharing your experience.

I don't mind to pay and my Russian is pretty good, just below fluent.

I was just worried that these were all scams and that I would end up having a horrible time.

So do you look for the girls that say they are looking for a sponsor? How do you tell which girls are part timers? (that would be golden!) By the quality of the photos (some are just too much out of a men's magazine).

Thanks in advance!

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle V

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1509778]Guys you know I am not so good reading cyrillic. BTW stoppped studying Russian. Usually you have a great motivation when you already turn back from EE and after a time you loose it because you don't need it in your own country.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of the story about the man who could never fix the leak in his roof. In the summer, when the weather was good, there was no reason to. And in the winter, when it rained, it was too wet to get up there and do it. ;)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1510072]This reminds me of the story about the man who could never fix the leak in his roof. In the summer, when the weather was good, there was no reason to. And in the winter, when it rained, it was too wet to get up there and do it. ;)[/QUOTE]Strav,

This is a good story for explaining the situation. But I must tell you I am too much busy with Turkish girls here. I am in between two circumstances; To solve nose up-extremely selective- Turkish women character or get lost in Russian grammar.

Cheers.

Moscow girls are a lot smarter these days. Your Rolex watch or shoes won't do the trick. A little bit of language is great but what you really need is some kind of job that ties to city. Something that introduces them to new and better people they normally would not meet. Something good, like a banker, now that would really open doors.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1509722]Something else that cannot be said enough is that if you speak a little Russian, all kinds of doors will be open to you.[/QUOTE]Too true Strav. My last visit was for intensive Russian lessons. I'm still fairly hopeless (hard to teach an old dog new tricks) but I'm trying to learn and all my "GF's" think its great that I'm taking lessons. And they really want to help me practice Russian.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1510076]But I must tell you I am too much busy with Turkish girls here. I am in between two circumstances; To solve nose up-extremely selective- Turkish women character or get lost in Russian grammar.[/QUOTE]Grammar? Who needs grammar? This is not rocket science. Not necessary to read Tolstoy or quote from Pushkin.

This is what you do. . .

Learn to recognize and pronounce the Cyrillic alphabet,

Learn some basic conversational phrases like,"How are you?","I am fine","What is you name?","Can I cum in your mouth?", (just joking)

Learn how to conjugate some basic verbs like,"I want", or "I need",

Learn how to count,

Learn to tell time,

And you're set.

[QUOTE=Ricardo Cabro;1510135]Too true Strav. My last visit was for intensive Russian lessons. I'm still fairly hopeless (hard to teach an old dog new tricks) but I'm trying to learn and all my "GF's" think its great that I'm taking lessons. And they really want to help me practice Russian.[/QUOTE]This is a perfect example of what Gergiev said: you don't want to ever get too good at speaking Russian. If you speak the language perfectly, then you become just another Russian man, and there are plenty of those. You want to maintain an endearing kind of ineptness that elicits the sympathy of the dyevchyonki.

Sounds like it's working for you.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya; 1509910]I know you guys may excoriate me for posting this here and not in the internet dating thread, but there is not a lot of info there about using Mamba to hook up in Moscow. Most of the discussions are about using it in the provinces.

I've been on for about a week with very little success. I am chatting regularly with some girls but so far no one has agreed to meet up. (I did have one meeting lined up but the girl cancelled because she said she had a temperature. Yeah right!).

I have ben getting a lot of offers form girls who want to meet up for cash. They are asking anywhere form 3k to 10 k. I've avoided this as I am worried about the old bait and switch with the fotos (or worse). Does anyone have any experience with this?

Maybe I'm just wasting my time on Mamba? Any advice would be much appreciated.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V[/QUOTE]You probably read a few of my posts about mamba. The only advice I can give is that you will be rewarded for time and effort and more time and even more effort. It's probably easier in Moscow to find English speaking girls so mamba is not so essential, but out in the provinces it would have taken more wasted time trying to find these girls on street, bars, clubs. Then once you find one on mamba, you still need to take time and more time until they are willing.

My most successful place was a particular English language school for finding a classroom full of attractive girls who spoke English, and wanted some 'private' lessons. The only thing I can advise is to think outside the box. However, I've always found language classes full of girls and a good place to meet them with the exception of my Russian class now. It's just guys with the same motive as me. .

In the meantime I've been taking some Russian classes back in the west.

[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma;1510283]In the meantime I've been taking some Russian classes back in the west.[/QUOTE]Rosetta Stone with a good verb book is dollar for dollar the best if you want to learn Russian. Don't go into a Russian class green, it's expensive and you will learn little.

Russia was probably an interesting place Sometimes ago for the punters it is not anymore the place, It is close to be funny. Foreigners not welcome and worst in small city. Couple of hours of vb kontact and mamba for nothing since the girls do not want to make effort, more and more scam, girl sick the day of the meeting (3 times. 3 different girls). Then now it is necessary to speak Russian to be punter in Russia. The point is like that now they have development or let say they can make credit to bank and they have in their place enough to be happy. They are not waiting anymore for you and you waste your time here. So forget the beautiful girl easy to get for foreigner. The last point, on, why they are fat after 30 years old, seen on that forum a couple of time, that's simple, they drink like a man! . After in club, yes you can get but nothing is now not different than Paris or London. To summarise, Russia become boring on punter way. I did not come here for 3 days and I am expatriate. One point more, they are still easy girl, but they are black. Do not see judgement but it is a fact if you come with your dream of tall blond for the night, be aware they have been replaced at work.

[QUOTE=Bruno750;1510693]Russia was probably an interesting place Sometimes ago for the punters it is not anymore the place, It is close to be funny. Foreigners not welcome and worst in small city. Couple of hours of vb kontact and mamba for nothing since the girls do not want to make effort, more and more scam, girl sick the day of the meeting (3 times. 3 different girls). Then now it is necessary to speak Russian to be punter in Russia. The point is like that now they have development or let say they can make credit to bank and they have in their place enough to be happy. They are not waiting anymore for you and you waste your time here. So forget the beautiful girl easy to get for foreigner. The last point, on, why they are fat after 30 years old, seen on that forum a couple of time, that's simple, they drink like a man! . After in club, yes you can get but nothing is now not different than Paris or London. To summarise, Russia become boring on punter way. I did not come here for 3 days and I am expatriate. One point more, they are still easy girl, but they are black. Do not see judgement but it is a fact if you come with your dream of tall blond for the night, be aware they have been replaced at work.[/QUOTE]Good to see posts that are in touch with reality rather than delusional claims of paradise.

I was seeing myself heading to Night Flight last night to see why this place is so famous. Dining at the restaurant, food is OK, I'm not a picky eater but for those who expect more it would be a huge disappointment. But I didn't go for the food of course, I got down to the bar, to see the girls, to be impartial with what I saw, a lot of 5's. 6's maybe one 8, but no more that that, staying there because I want to have fun by all means, approach to some girls, but they were so expensive 500 USD for normal sex WTF! I got used to the Brazilian style "Completa " girlfriend style I think. To be honest I found girls better shape in other countries and paying for 1 hour of normal sex with a devushka is just not fair, trying to bargain a bit but didn't work. So decided to have more Black Russians, anchor at the bar. One girl came and ask for a cognac, she was a 6 or 7, but she was wearing normal clothes, I liked her attitude, very casual, not as the other professionals, talk a bit but unfortunately she wasn't good in English, she said sorry and turn to drink her cognac and smoke. An hour ago went by, drank my last vodka and was heading to the exit door, suddenly I saw that girl again, sitting on the sofas, I asked she if her mobile could translate Russian to English and she said yes, beginning of the conversation was as usual, but then I was touching and kissing her, more minutes of silly conversation and decided to take her to my apartment, for 2 hours. Taxi driver got lost for half hour I think damn. But in the meantime I was warming her up, she looked surprise to my initiative. We got my apartment and started a wild session of sex, she was on fire, kissing as a girlfriend and even when she said anal wasn't included she accepted after some fingers slip in her pink tunel. It was great experience, she tried to please me in every moment. She stayed more than two hours, finally around 9 am she decided to dress up again and take a cab. I could see she wasn't a sex professional as the other girls of the club, she wanted to fuck and have fun also. Unfortunately she will leave to Uzbekistan next Wednesday, otherwise I would have met her again.

Having fun in Moscow in winter is not bad idea after all.

Jens

It seems we have many pessimists in our midsts. All, if you are willing to do a little work before you arrive and are not a total loser, Moscow is still a potential gold mine. Jake and others here can tell you, I am not at all pretty (and neither is he) but we do pretty well for ourselves. It takes a lot of work, but the reward of having very attractive girls in their 20s going after old men like us (40s and 50s) is still a very realistic goal. Keep the faith and do the work.

[QUOTE=Jorge Rad10; 1510803]I was seeing myself heading to Night Flight last night to see why this place is so famous. Dining at the restaurant, food is OK, I'm not a picky eater but for those who expect more it would be a huge disappointment. But I didn't go for the food of course, I got down to the bar, to see the girls, to be impartial with what I saw, a lot of 5's. 6's maybe one 8, but no more that that, staying there because I want to have fun by all means, approach to some girls, but they were so expensive 500 USD for normal sex WTF! I got used to the Brazilian style "Completa " girlfriend style I think. To be honest I found girls better shape in other countries and paying for 1 hour of normal sex with a devushka is just not fair, trying to bargain a bit but didn't work. So decided to have more Black Russians, anchor at the bar. One girl came and ask for a cognac, she was a 6 or 7, but she was wearing normal clothes, I liked her attitude, very casual, not as the other professionals, talk a bit but unfortunately she wasn't good in English, she said sorry and turn to drink her cognac and smoke. An hour ago went by, drank my last vodka and was heading to the exit door, suddenly I saw that girl again, sitting on the sofas, I asked she if her mobile could translate Russian to English and she said yes, beginning of the conversation was as usual, but then I was touching and kissing her, more minutes of silly conversation and decided to take her to my apartment, for 2 hours. Taxi driver got lost for half hour I think damn. But in the meantime I was warming her up, she looked surprise to my initiative...[/QUOTE]The problem with night flight is that many of the girls are brought there by the boyfriend. They are robotically programmed to get your money, have sex, and leave. It's an outrageous amount of money that will serve you no better than an FKK girl. This is really an option for the Russian guys that can stay in control and be very clear as to what they expect.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1510849]It seems we have many pessimists in our midsts. All, if you are willing to do a little work before you arrive and are not a total loser, Moscow is still a potential gold mine. Jake and others here can tell you, I am not at all pretty (and neither is he) but we do pretty well for ourselves. It takes a lot of work, but the reward of having very attractive girls in their 20s going after old men like us (40s and 50s) is still a very realistic goal. Keep the faith and do the work.[/QUOTE]Hey! I AM pretty. (Ha, ha, NOT) I am in total agreement. You have to make an investment of time to get anything back. Moscow is a big city with all kinds of people. Is it the punter paradise it once was? Not even close. But for those of us who live here for business reasons, there's plenty of distractions to keep us occupied.

Many of you have been to Club Petrovich. It's a private club that requires you to be "recommended" by two other members. This serves as a barrier to entry and keeps the riff raff (and foreigners) out. I was there Saturday night (Sunday morning) from 1 AM until about 4:30 AM. It was legendary. What was interesting was that there were VERY FEW women there under the age of 30. But OMG were they hot. And horny. I was there with a woman on a date and was still getting my ass grabbed left and right. It was hilarious. And I am in my mid 50's!

[QUOTE=Jorge Rad10; 1510803]I was seeing myself heading to Night Flight last night to see why this place is so famous. Dining at the restaurant, food is OK, I'm not a picky eater but for those who expect more it would be a huge disappointment. But I didn't go for the food of course, I got down to the bar, to see the girls, to be impartial with what I saw, a lot of 5's. 6's maybe one 8, but no more that that, staying there because I want to have fun by all means, approach to some girls, but they were so expensive 500 USD for normal sex WTF! I got used to the Brazilian style "Completa " girlfriend style I think. To be honest I found girls better shape in other countries and paying for 1 hour of normal sex with a devushka is just not fair, trying to bargain a bit but didn't work. So decided to have more Black Russians, anchor at the bar. One girl came and ask for a cognac, she was a 6 or 7, but she was wearing normal clothes, I liked her attitude, very casual, not as the other professionals, talk a bit but unfortunately she wasn't good in English, she said sorry and turn to drink her cognac and smoke. An hour ago went by, drank my last vodka and was heading to the exit door, suddenly I saw that girl again, sitting on the sofas, I asked she if her mobile could translate Russian to English and she said yes, beginning of the conversation was as usual, but then I was touching and kissing her, more minutes of silly conversation and decided to take her to my apartment, for 2 hours. Taxi driver got lost for half hour I think damn. But in the meantime I was warming her up, she looked surprise to my initiative...[/QUOTE]I found myself drinking some beers in one bar call Zavtra with a Greek / Russian girl when suddenly I decided to call the night flight girl I met last Saturday (What the hell, I needed I good Christmas gift). As I said in the last post, she was a solid 6, but her attitude was extremely good, type girlfriend experience that I didn't found in many escorts. After interchange sms she was knocking my door at 1 am, wearing some boots and carrying some shopping bags. I should say she was expensive but I didn't care about. She brought a bottle of champagne

And the will to have fun, started kissing stripped off clothes, good fuck. She told me she likes to talk but she will spend 3 or 4 hours with me, I said OK good for me. Smoking some cigarettes in the meantime, she looked exhausted, of course it was early morning around 5 am, we chatted a bit and call the taxi. Before saying good bye, she suggested me to call one of her girlfriends, showed me some pics (a solid 8) and I accepted (I love her attitude). I hope next days I could bang more Devushkas.

Jens

[QUOTE=Jake993;1510949]Hey! I AM pretty. (Ha, ha, NOT) I am in total agreement. You have to make an investment of time to get anything back. Moscow is a big city with all kinds of people. Is it the punter paradise it once was? Not even close. But for those of us who live here for business reasons, there's plenty of distractions to keep us occupied.[/QUOTE]I think the point is to be realistic, too much time we see people in that forum so happy to get in touch with a girl, when it is happen, showing that like a paradise. But after you try to understand the guy did mamba or vb contact 3 hours a day, and so on. I mean we have the same result in France or London that's my point. It will avoid people to come here with the thinking that the girl are easy to get. Another point there are a lot of expatriate thinking to be well integrated bug what I see is people going outside between expatriate. The reason is simple, Russian are not so friendly (once again it is general, we will see again one farmer in expatriation, saying, no in my small city in Siberia, the people after 2 liter of vodka are so happy to see you.). So to finish, me too, now, after some illusions I found distraction, I bought a playstation.) or sometimes I book an African girl who have normal price in Moscow.

[QUOTE=Bruno750;1511559]But after you try to understand the guy did mamba or vb contact 3 hours a day, and so on. I mean we have the same result in France or London that's my point.[/QUOTE]But it isn't really the same. In London and France I would have zero shot at some of these girls no matter how much work you put into it. In Moscow it is a lot of work but it is realistic. A young, attractive girl in France wouldn't be caught dead dating a man twice her age unless he was good looking or rich. In Moscow it seems that being attentive and treating them well can be enough.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1511684]But it isn't really the same. In London and France I would have zero shot at some of these girls no matter how much work you put into it. In Moscow it is a lot of work but it is realistic. A young, attractive girl in France wouldn't be caught dead dating a man twice her age unless he was good looking or rich. In Moscow it seems that being attentive and treating them well can be enough.[/QUOTE]I think the same about the girls in Russia. Back where I am originally from, putting in that much effort is generally anti-productive, girls think differently, and not unfamiliar with this behavior but in Russia that behavior can make up for looks and money. It could well be the first time they have been treated like that if they have never come across a foreigner before.

I also think for the pessimists out there, you have to be not scared to be turned down (or too emotionally attached) and just give it a crack. It definitely suits the calculated bastard who can have 3 to 4 girls at one time and as they are weeded out, replaced.

[QUOTE=Leggio1;1510348]Rosetta Stone with a good verb book is dollar for dollar the best if you want to learn Russian. Don't go into a Russian class green, it's expensive and you will learn little.[/QUOTE]Fortunately where I am living the Russian classes are government subsidized and cheap. Can learn much more than Rosetta stone and get a very good explanation of Russian grammar and spelling / pronunciation rules. I at one time did some practice with Rosetta Stone for other languages but found it only serves to extend vocabulary. Nothing can make up for being tied down for 3 hours at one time and forced to listen to a language and take part. I finally understood why the 'o' become an 'a' and cases. Sure, one can just be understood in nominative case but impress with using the correct case.

I was at Che bar yesterday, didn't expect much about the place, but what a surprise, the place was packed of people, beautiful devushkas dancing. At some point of the night, I saw few working girls, I got confused with one, well dressed, blond devushka and asked her, if she was working, she smiled to me and said not. I could have taken some working girls who were teasing me, but decided to drink and dance with the civilians, trying to get some numbers but my Russian is very poor. All in all, nice mood for Wednesday, and looking forward for weekend.

After more than a week in Moscow, my journey has come to an end. What I could say about Moscow, it's a nice metropolis, if you understand Cyrillic is even better, unfortunately I'm not fluent at all, but I could find my way. I was more focus in hookers this time, the first hooker introduced me another nice devushka who is very seldom in night flight. But both girls offering me a good service, no complaints at all, it was GF experience. I spent less time trying to develop some friendship with some Moscow girls, it will turn out in something I'm pretty sure about that. For whom live in Scandinavia I found reasonable prices even in nice restaurants.

Partying in Moscow is delightful, I went to parties even on Wednesday. Moscow girls are just beautiful, they are gracious and very feminine despite the cold weather.

Well right now I'm planning my second trip, which will be in February to meet new devushkas and keep up the other ones. So looking forward.

Jens

[QUOTE=Jorge Rad10; 1514651]After more than a week in Moscow, my journey has come to an end. What I could say about Moscow, it's a nice metropolis, if you understand Cyrillic is even better, unfortunately I'm not fluent at all, but I could find my way. I was more focus in hookers this time, the first hooker introduced me another nice devushka who is very seldom in night flight. But both girls offering me a good service, no complaints at all, it was GF experience. I spent less time trying to develop some friendship with some Moscow girls, it will turn out in something I'm pretty sure about that. For whom live in Scandinavia I found reasonable prices even in nice restaurants.

Partying in Moscow is delightful, I went to parties even on Wednesday. Moscow girls are just beautiful, they are gracious and very feminine despite the cold weather.

Well right now I'm planning my second trip, which will be in February to meet new devushkas and keep up the other ones. So looking forward.

Jens[/QUOTE]Jorge,

Very happy to hear that you had a great time in Moscow despite language issues.

I am sure that February will be even better because a lot of girls will have returned from New Years vacations.

Best regards,

Jake.

I am coming to Moscow and looking for a bar that has expats to hang out with and a stock of girls to choose from. I know about Night Flight but looking for something less obvious and a bit less expensive than $500 / night.

Thanks

Nice to be on the forum, privjet all,

I have been living here for a year now and I must say a lot has changed since my first visit in 2000, With my first anniversary of living in Moscow and some knowledge of I thought I'd register to put my thoughts down and contribute a bit.

Unlike some I'm not too pessimistic about the bar scene. I have been trying out bar / clubs, a couple of good ones where tipped here. I Didn't know Old School Pub for instance. Quite an amusing place although like in most places the music is shitty. That pretty much goes for all bars actually.

Some places I have not been seeing a lot I want to share with you.

Craisy Daisy is a good place for student type girls, quite a young crowd but I met a stunning girl there in leather pants. The bar is Coyote Ugly style but this leather pants girls also took the bar with her friends. So a loose athmosphere there. Some 300rub admission on the weekend.

Crisis Zjanra is decent if you would be looking for not the typical high heel moscow girls. Bit on the alternative side and decent live performances (by bands, not pole dancers.)

Another place I visit is klava club. Small place, not actually a club, more a bar but things can get pretty hot in there. Worth a check.

I will be posting more about the bar scene if I found some decent ones again.

Dutch,

Добро пожалувить! (Welcome)

Thanks for the info about the bar scene. More specific info would help other guys here to find these places; addresses, part of town, metro stop, etc. Also, best time of the week, entry fee, drink prices, etc.

Look forward to hearing more from you.

счастливо

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1523893]Dutch,

&1044; &1086; &1073; &1088; &1086; &1087; &1086; &1078; &1072; &1083; &1091; &1074; &1080; &1090; &1100; ! (Welcome)

Thanks for the info about the bar scene. More specific info would help other guys here to find these places; addresses, part of town, metro stop, etc. Also, best time of the week, entry fee, drink prices, etc.

Look forward to hearing more from you.

&1089; &1095; &1072; &1089; &1090; &1083; &1080; &1074; &1086; [/QUOTE]It's OK Strav. We have Yandex here in Moscow now so we can find our way.

By the way Dutch, excellent suggestions. Klava and Crisis Genre I have been to before but Craisy Daisy is a new one for me. Will check it out. Thanks for the contribution!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1524531]We have Yandex here in Moscow now so we can find our way.[/QUOTE]Oh... you mean Яндекс! Fine for you, but what about the guys who can't read Russian?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1524934]Oh. you mean Яндекс! Fine for you, but what about the guys who can't read Russian?[/QUOTE]Uh, Google translator? Remember, Sergei Brin was born in Russia. The translator work surprisingly well for our purposes.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1524934]Oh. you mean Яндекс! Fine for you, but what about the guys who can't read Russian?[/QUOTE]Try OsmAnd for android smart phones. Very helpful in the provinces and free. Though I think I was still searching in cyrillic, which helps.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1525166]The translator work surprisingly well for our purposes.[/QUOTE]True, but that shouldn't prevent someone from posting info here, if they want.

Why isn't their more people that post on this thread? Moscow has so many more foreigners than years past, yet never any good nuanced information here.

Dear Stravinsky,

You are always collecting a lot of info here but you didn't fly to Moscow for a long time. Still planning? What is your aim my friend? To make a moscow mongering handbook or what?

Regards.

[QUOTE=Leggio1;1526972]Why isn't their more people that post on this thread? Moscow has so many more foreigners than years past, yet never any good nuanced information here.[/QUOTE]That's a very good question. I think it's two things; first, the nature of foreigners in Moscow has changed over the years and second, the nature of mongering in Moscow has changed a lot. It's not NEARLY as "in your face" as it once was and so there seems to be less to write about. Having said that, I suppose you could say that new comers to Moscow need information now more than EVER just for that very reason.

[QUOTE=Leggio1;1526972]Moscow has so many more foreigners than years past, yet never any good nuanced information here.[/QUOTE]That's an excellent question. I've wondered about that myself.

Time was, it was a very closed group here on the Moscow board. There were several members of this board who lived/worked in Moscow and were willing to report on their experiences regularly, plus a few members who traveled to Moscow frequently and also kept us up to date with what was happening "on the ground".

But, as Jake says, the situation is much different now. Mongering in Moscow is not what it was. It's not as easy to pick up women for (paid) sex, at least not at a reasonable price. The Russian economy has improved to the point where a young woman in Moscow has many more opportunities available to her than simply selling herself. Which has it's good points and bad points. It seems the clubs nowadays are packed with young women looking to hook up with a guy, but that's not about money, you gotta have the game if you want to make that connection. There are still members of this board living/working in Moscow, but it seems they are so busy juggling their stable of Russian girlfriends that they don't have the time, or inclination, to report.

Which leaves us with the touristas. You're right, there does seem to be more foreigners in Moscow now. Every week we have a post from someone of the, Hi-I-will-be-in-Moscow-next-week-for-3-days-what-should-I-do? variety. And, of course, there's not much any Westerner can do in Moscow, unless you have huge amounts of cash to throw around.

Russia is still a very closed society, to the outside world. But within that society there is another kind of parallel universe that exists. If you can speak Russian, then it's a little like jumping down the rabbit hole into another world of limitless sexual opportunities. Go back and read some of YummyPL's posts if you want to understand more about that.

It's an interesting puzzle, Putin understands that the Russian economy can't rely on selling natural resources forever. He knows he has to open up the economy, and he gives a lot of lip service to things like direct foreign investment. But, on the other hand, the old KGB officer in him just can't seem to let go his grip.

It's a uniquely Russian riddle, wrapped, of course, in an enigma. :)

Dear Iceberg, :)

I "aim" to please. :)

A Moscow mongering handbook, now that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it's practical. It would weigh a ton. You would need information about Russian history, culture, superstition, religion, not to mention the Cyrillic alphabet and Russian language. Plus a separate volume just on Russian women. You would need a staff of people to publish the constant updates and revisions that would be necessary.

It's easier to just read sextalk.ru, that's the best mongering handbook for Moscow.

I think Jake is right, with all the touristas in Moscow today, more than ever, there is a need for info, not just about Moscow, but about Russia in general.

с уважением

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1527433]Dear Iceberg, .

I "aim" to please. .

A Moscow mongering handbook, now that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it's practical. It would weigh a ton. You would need information about Russian history, culture, superstition, religion, not to mention the Cyrillic alphabet and Russian language. Plus a separate volume just on Russian women. You would need a staff of people to publish the constant updates and revisions that would be necessary.

It's easier to just read sextalk. Ru, that's the best mongering handbook for Moscow.

I think Jake is right, with all the touristas in Moscow today, more than ever, there is a need for info, not just about Moscow, but about Russia in general.

&1089; &1091; &1074; &1072; &1078; &1077; &1085; &10
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will check this sextalk with g. Translator's help. &304; wish to go there once again. There is still min to dig. By the way I am in Sumgait Azerbaijan. if I can leave the bed I will go and check the Kral and report back. &304; am not so hopefull but lets see.

Regards,

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1528249]By the way I am in Sumgait Azerbaijan. if I can leave the bed I will go and check the Kral and report back.[/QUOTE]Are you there for business, or pleasure?

Hopefully, you will make it out of bed and try sextalk.ru with the Google translator, you might find something valuable. My favorite thread is Уличные точки "Street Points". Local guys report on what they find on the streets of Moscow. One thing I've never done, but always wanted to try is to explore Moscow by car (not a taxi). There's a whole 'nother world out there.

It's also a great source of Russian slang, if you have any interest in that. Although, with a computer translation, it will be more like the lightning bug than the lightning. Even Господин Брин can't puzzle that one out.

BTW - Just discovered a new massage salon, Город Грехов "Sin City". What caught my eye is that they also offer sex with the massage. I've never seen a massage salon in Moscow, other than [url]erotic-massage.ru[/url] that also offered sex with the massage. And it's only 3,000 руб/hour. Check it out: [url]www.greh24.ru[/url]

Of course, you will need to speak Russian to find the place and get in, but I know you've been studying Russian diligently since last summer, so you should be fluent by now, right? :D

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1528277]Are you there for business, or pleasure?

Hopefully, you will make it out of bed and try sextalk. Ru with the Google translator, you might find something valuable. My favorite thread is &1059; &1083; &1080; &1095; &1085; &1099; &1077; &1090; &1086; &1095; &1082; &1080;"Street Points". Local guys report on what they find on the streets of Moscow. One thing I've never done, but always wanted to try is to explore Moscow by car (not a taxi). There's a whole 'nother world out there.

BTW. Just discovered a new massage salon, &1043; &1086; &1088; &1086; &1076; &1043; &1088; &1077; &1093; &1086; &1074;"Sin City". What caught my eye is that they also offer sex with the massage. I've never seen a massage salon in Moscow, other than.

[url]erotic-massage.ru[/url]

That also offered sex with the massage. And it's only 3, 000 &1088; &1091; &1073; /hour. Check it out:

[url]www.greh24.ru[/url]

Of course, you will need to speak Russian to find the place and get in, but I know you've been studying Russian diligently since last summer, so you should be fluent by now, right? .[/QUOTE]Strav,

I was there for business and if I was not I should leave there for Baku. Just 30 mins with car. More expensive but better choices.

You are forgetting that I love sex than sleeping! Of course I left the bed and get there in the freezing weather. I have to play some sledding on iced roads of Sumqayit with Taxi drivers. I was very lucky that could find a taxi and not involved in an accident.

You can find my report in Azerbaijan section as [post]1528664[/post]

I will check this sextalk but I am afraid that it will pull me a up a third Moscow adventure.

Regards

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1527429]There are still members of this board living/working in Moscow, but it seems they are so busy juggling their stable of Russian girlfriends that they don't have the time, or inclination, to report.[/QUOTE]Strav, you are so right on this point. Juggling a few amateur girlfriends takes a lot of time and planning. I try to be as helpful as possible for visitors to Moscow, but so much of my information has no value to the casual sex tourist.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1527429]If you can speak Russian, then it's a little like jumping down the rabbit hole into another world of limitless sexual opportunities. Go back and read some of YummyPL's posts if you want to understand more about that.[/QUOTE]Again, you are right on here. If you can invest the time and effort, like our friend Yummy, the possibilities with young hot amateur girls is endless. Not to sound like an asshole, but after living here a while, there comes a point where you no longer have any need for pros.

Let me share a funny anecdote: Some weeks ago, I was on a date at one of my usual haunts with a "new recruit" amateur girl. It was really only our second (or 3rd) date and there had been no sex yet. Because she was driving her car that night, she was not drinking (unlike me) and decided to head home and leave me with my friends which included some visiting out of town'ers. Around midnight, I walked her out to her car where we engaged is a little "kissy face" and then she drove off. I returned to the bar, re-joined my friends and we continued to get pretty shit-faced. About 3:00 AM, one of the "seasoned pros" approached me and asked where my date was. She had been sitting there all night in her usual place watching the comings and goings of expats and Russians alike. I knew who she was and was quite cordial with her having bought her the odd drunk over the past few years. By now, she'd had a few drinks but was by no means drunk. I don't recall the exact conversation but she was giving me she shit for no longer having need of her and other girls of her profession. She tried to cajole me into taking her back to my place but I was not taking the bait. It was comical has hell because she was almost pleading with me for some attention. After repeated attempts, I ended up telling her that she could come over if she wanted but that I was not prepared to give her any money. After stewing a while, she said "ok, but you at least have to pay my bar tab". Which ended up being about $55.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1528841]... she was almost pleading with me for some attention. After repeated attempts, I ended up telling her that she could come over if she wanted but that I was not prepared to give her any money. After stewing a while, she said "ok, but you at least have to pay my bar tab". Which ended up being about $55.[/QUOTE]LOL, great story. I imagine Marx could explain that phenomen vis-a-vis the use-value of a commodity vs. the exchange-value. I prefer Pushkin's advice:

Чем меньше женщину мы любим,
Тем легче нравимся мы ей

[i]The less we love a woman,
the easier for us to please her.[/i]


BTW - I don't suppose we could persuade you to divulge the name of your usual haunt?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1529028]LOL, great story. I imagine Marx could explain that phenomen vis-a-vis the use-value of a commodity vs. The exchange-value. I prefer Pushkin's advice:

&1063; &1077; &1084; &1084; &1077; &1085; &1100; &1096; &1077; &1078; &1077; &1085; &1097; &1080; &1085; &1091; &1084; &1099; &1083; &1102; &1073; &1080; &1084; ,

&1058; &1077; &1084; &1083; &1077; &1075; &1095; &1077; &1085; &1088; &1072; &1074; &1080; &1084; &1089; &1103; &1084; &1099; &1077; &1081;

[i]The less we love a woman,

The easier for us to please her. [/i]

BTW. I don't suppose we could persuade you to divulge the name of your usual haunt?[/QUOTE]No Jake, don't do it! We can take Stav there if he ever returns to Moscow.

I'm currently sitting in the airport in Prague waiting for my connection to Moscow. I will be staying 13 nights this trip. I have 2 new girls that I am considering definites for this trip. 4 more new girls that I am considering prospects. 4 girls I have seen before but didn't have sex with (ended up in bed with one of them and had a great time) with at least 3 of them being solid prospects. Two of the last two are staying in my apartment with me at the same time for the first few days I am there. They don't know each other but they know about each other. Ages of the 10 girls are 31, 29, 28, 27, 26, 26, 25, 22, 19, and 19 and except for the two 19 year olds (the ones staying with me) , I'd rate all at a 7+. The 19 yearr olds are 5-6 faces and 7 bodies.

Not one of them is the slightest bit pro, but they do take time, and attention. But to Strav's point, this trip I am saying "fuck it." I invited both 19 year olds to stay with me at the same time and I intend to go out on dates with the other girls while they are staying with me.

Yeah Strav, I know. I still have not posted reports on the visits I have already done. I suck.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1529095]Yeah Strav, I know. I still have not posted reports on the visits I have already done. I suck.[/QUOTE]
I never said a word... :rolleyes:

And, yes, I would be honored to meet with you and Jake at your secret hideaway. :)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1529145]I never said a word. .

And, yes, I would be honored to meet with you and Jake at your secret hideaway. .[/QUOTE]-1 °C and. 3 °C with snow. Sufferable for the beautiful and warm eyes of Devushkas. Home alone on Saturday in Turkey. Why I was born here? Have fun there. Yummy by the way what is your Prague impressions? I am curious.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1529418]-1 °C and. 3 °C with snow. Sufferable for the beautiful and warm eyes of Devushkas. Home alone on Saturday in Turkey. Why I was born here?[/QUOTE]Don't worry, Iceberg, better days are coming. Just study your Russian and dream of warm summer afternoons in Moscow, watching the dyevchyonki passing by as you sit at the cafe, sipping your cappuccino, the fabric of their skirts floating in the breeze, revealing long pencil-thin thighs, up to here, and perhaps a glimpse of crisp, clean, trusiki as they wink and giggle to tease your nascent lust.


Now would be a good time to get up on your roof and fix that leak, repeat after me...

Именительный... кто? что?

Родительный... кого? чего?

Дательный... кому? чему?

Винительный... кого? что?

Творительный... кем? чем?

Предложный... о ком? о чем?

As I said before, I travelled to Moscow last week, for mongering and also plan to meet a non pro girl I'm working with. I contacted some girls I have met before but they were busy, they are pros, but somehow our schedules didn't align at all, in the meantime I used a website I did before too, they were nice with me, they even recorded my last address and sending the girl to the wrong place, I didn't expect that. The first hooker was from Siberia, nice girl but young, service so so, of course I complained and "the manager" promised another girl for compensation, and for less money, I went for it the day after, showed up another girl, but I didn't like her at all, I called the manager, and sent me another nice girl, very professional, blowjob without condom that was great! It was like my old times in Brazil. The girl was a good hooker, not a stunner and clock watcher. Last night, I contacted another agency, I got good experiences with its girls last December, so I went for it again. Girl was so so, but pretty from Samara, It was late night so decided to fuck her, but she was full "don't touch me here" I complained with the manager again. The manager called the girl, they discussed in Russian and problem solved. Again they promised nice girls for next time.

The non-pro girl was sick those days I stayed in Moscow, but Saturday she make an effort to meet me up. Nice talk, clever girl, we went to watch a movie, kissing a bit in the darkness but nothing else. I'm pretty sure she was something serious but I'm not into that yet. Let's see what happens in my next visit to Moscow.

All in all, Moscow wasn't cold as I was expecting. Devushkas are the best in town by far and having fun with them is another experience. Back to reality in Copenhagen again.

Cheers mongers

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1529490]Don't worry, Iceberg, better days are coming. Just study your Russian and dream of warm summer afternoons in Moscow, watching the dyevchyonki passing by as you sit at the cafe, sipping your cappuccino, the fabric of their skirts floating in the breeze, revealing long pencil-thin thighs, up to here, and perhaps a glimpse of crisp, clean, trusiki as they wink and giggle to tease your nascent lust.

Now would be a good time to get up on your roof and fix that leak, repeat after me.

&1055; &1088; &1077; &1076; &1083; &1086; &1078; &1085; &1099; &1081; . &1086; &1082; &1086; &1084; ? &1086; &1095; &1077; &1084; ?[/QUOTE]Ok Strav.

How about;"I want to fck with you?" or "Your long legs drive me crazy so I want to put them on my shoulders and fkc you like a rabbit?" Can I take this in Russian please? Thanks for your kind interest.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1529976]"Your long legs drive me crazy so I want to put them on my shoulders and fkc you like a rabbit?"[/QUOTE]You are such a hopeless romantic! :)

I'm struggling with the age old question of choosing to go out with the 6+ I know I can fuck and the 7+ that I am not sure will let me fuck her.

So many girls, so little time.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1532023]So many girls, so little time.[/QUOTE]Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell us something we don't know.

What inquiring minds really want to know is...

how are those two 19 year olds getting along in the same apartment?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1532140]how are those two 19 year olds getting along in the same apartment?[/QUOTE]I'll tell the story later. Short version is I got to fuck both of them but things were not quite what I had hoped for. It has been an interesting trip. So far 7 nights in Moscow and 3 nights of sex and two other pretty decent nights. I'm headed to Old School Pub now to meet a girl. Wish me luck.

Moscow is like the fucking Twilight Zone. I hesitate to tell you about my experiences because I can hardly believe it myself. In any case, this trip has transitioned from being mediocre to being pronominal. More later.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1532797]Moscow is like the fucking Twilight Zone.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear you're having a good time. When you have re-integrated your consciousness back into the real world, maybe you can tell us about it.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1532852]Glad to hear you're having a good time. When you have re-integrated your consciousness back into the real world, maybe you can tell us about it.[/QUOTE]Yummy,

This is really over the average success for Moscow. All your secret is using internet and preparing before you get there? You must make a guide or a long detailed post for hunting online. I am curious. By the way I am having enough hard time to understand the words you are using. (couldn't find the Pronominal in three different dictonary.)

Strav! Are you there?

Note:I hope i am not so late to say but it's very good to have smt call attention in Old School Pub. (I had wrapped my tie on my head when i am there)

OK, Anastasiya was kind enough to fuck me and then go home for the night and Jake was ready to go home from the bar so I have a little bit of time before I pass out.

I am in Moscow 13 nights arriving at 05:30 on Saturday the 8th.

The New Prospects I had never Met:

Anastasiya: 26 yeas old. 180cm. 63 kilos. Average looking and body (probably a 6+). Jake met her so he could comment. Only girl that was openly sexual during our converrsations. She was my #1 prospect from my new girls.

Oksana: 31 years old. 152cm. 42 kilos, blond. Real cute in pictures (probably a 7) but not really my type mainly because she is blonde. We had great rapport by email writing each other since early December. I thought she was my #2 prospect from my new girls.

Anna: 26 years old. 160cm. 50 kilos, She was a backup girl but I wanted to meet her. I really liked her look. Looks like an easy 7+ for me.

Masha: 28 years. 170cm. 54 kilos, very cute. She is a backup girl but I wanted to meet her. Looks like an easy 7+ for me.

Svetlana: 29 years. 170cm. 57 kilos, Pretty girl. She is a backup girl but I wanted to meet her. Looks like an easy 7+ for me.

Svetlana#2:27 yeas old. 168cm. 49 kilos, backup if I had time or other girls flaked out. Looks like a solid 7+

Girls I had met before:

Nadya: 19 years old, about 160 and 50 kilos. I met her through a friend so no stats through a website. Maybe a 6 face and 7 body. Best friends with my girl Katya (Katya has broken up with me for now.) I got drunk with her many times and we flirted and got naked but never had sex. She just broke up with her fiance so I invited her to Moscow to "drink with me."

Kori: 19 years old, about 165 and 55 kilos. I met her in Samara a night when Katya blew me off. Not pretty (maybe a 5 face) but maybe a 7 body. She was into me so I invited herr to Moscow to stay with me.

Anna: 22 years old. 155cm. 47 kilos. I met herr for dinner in June, October, and December. We barely kissed but therre is something about this girl I really like so I kept her simmering on a burner. She wanted to see me again this trip. Solid 7 but probably a 8 for my taste.

AA (hiding her name because very uncommon) : 25 years old. 152cm. 43 kilos, tiny little girl that looks 19. I love her persnality. Met her for lunch in October and December, then again for dinner in December where she went back to my apartment and we kissed a lot, fooled around, got naked, slept together, but didn't have sex-oral or intercourse. Fantastic personality. She really wanted to see me again. Solid 7 but again probably an 8 for my taste.

OK, that was the lineup. First few days coming up soon.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1532935]Anastasiya: 26 yeas old. 180cm. 63 kilos. Average looking and body (probably a 6+). Jake met her so he could comment. Only girl that was openly sexual during our converrsations. She was my #1 prospect from my new girls.[/QUOTE]Yes, I can corroborate. Not a beauty queen but definitely "fuckable". Nicely done Yummy!

My basic plan for the first few days:

Nadya comes to visit me arriving late on Saturday evening (actually Sunday morning) about 02:00 meeting me at John Bull Pub (Mistake) and stay with me in my apartment until Thursday afternoon 13 FEB. Nadya is a late night girl so I figured she would want to stay up all night and sleep most of the day.

Kori comes to visit me arriving on Monday about 19:00 00 meeting me at John Bull Pub and stay with me in my apartment until Friday afternoon 14 FEB.

Meet Oksana early Saturday evening (8 FEB) around 19:00.

Meet Anastasiya early Sunday evening (9 FEB) around 19:00.

When Kori comes in on Monday meet her at a the pub, have a few drinks and then take her stuff back to my apartment. From previous experience I didn't think she would require much 'wining and dining. ' I picked Monday night to just hang out with Kori and Nadya. I really expected them to get along. Both are super relaxed and sociable.

That was my plan going into Moscow. The rest of the stay was planned to be free-form.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1532919]This is really over the average success for Moscow.[/QUOTE]It's true, Yummy has had much more success than the average tourista in Russia. This is because he is willing to invest many hours to find these women and cultivate a relationship with them. He works diligently and is very organized--my head is still swimming from all the details he throws at us about the dyeffki he meets, not to mention his itinerary. Also, he is not afraid to communicate with them in their native language.

But, while he has more success, his experience is not exceptional or unusual. The takeaway from his experience should be that any guy can be as successful as Yummy is in Russia, if they want to make the same effort. And, I believe, what Yummy is doing is the new model for mongering in the RF. The days are long gone when you could pull a gorgeous babe out of Night Flight for 200 USD.

I think Yummy has already posted a lot of info about how he finds women online. If you go back and read his posts you will understand a lot about why, and how, he is successful.

BTW--I imagine "Pronominal" was a mistake. I think he meant to say phenomenal

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1533358]BTW--I imagine "Pronominal" was a mistake. I think he meant to say phenomenal[/QUOTE]I like to think that there is an intended pun behind this word, because you know, there is "phenomenal" and ther is "proverbial" (from pro-verba) , and if you think, there should be "pronominal", from pro-nomus. Heh heh, I am no Noam Chomsky, but I should start my special course of exegese

Hi mates,

This is an Indian Man living in Germany. I am going to be in Moscow for couple weeks in March.

This would be my first time in Russia. It would be great if you can give some general info.

I have explored a lot in Prague and it is my favourite place as well.

1. What is average rate in Moscow (I understand it depends on several factors but just to gauge myself.)

2. I hear that you can pick up high quality street walkers is it true? In this case is it safe to do street walking?

3. How do hotels handle. Are you cool with bringing girls. In general or anal about bring girls every night.

4. I am surveying mamba but it looks not that easy. Do you have any other site. Like a directory of girls in Moscow.

Thanks & cheers.

Does anyone have any experience using this site in Moscow. [url]www.moscow-escortmodels.com[/url]

Or any other contacts with modeling agency in Moscow?

I have a modeling agency that I use in Kiev for introductions with models which turns out to be alot cheaper than mongering. Once you get the model out, they are essentially free to do whatever they want with you and at that point it just depends on your game.

There used to be a black American guy I think that used to be a guide in Moscow. Is he around?

[QUOTE=Marudam; 1534596]Hi mates,

This is an Indian Man living in Germany. I am going to be in Moscow for couple weeks in March.

This would be my first time in Russia. It would be great if you can give some general info.

I have explored a lot in Prague and it is my favourite place as well.

1. What is average rate in Moscow (I understand it depends on several factors but just to gauge myself.)

2. I hear that you can pick up high quality street walkers is it true? In this case is it safe to do street walking?

3. How do hotels handle. Are you cool with bringing girls. In general or anal about bring girls every night.

4. I am surveying mamba but it looks not that easy. Do you have any other site. Like a directory of girls in Moscow.

Thanks & cheers.[/QUOTE]Marudam,

Welcome to this message board.

Normally, I would respond to your questions with the time honored standard response. RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum)! Every single question you ask is answered 10 times over if you just bothered to look a little. But I am feeling generous today so I'll save you the trouble and answer your questions in order.

1. About $250 for 2 hours. More or less.

2. That was true in about 2002. Does not exist any longer except near the trains stations where you are more likely to get robbed.

3. All Western hotels are girl friendly and very few ask you to register them. The Russian hotels are about 50:50 these days.

4. Mamba is a waste of time. Try.

[url]www.rusdosug.com[/url]

And click on the EN in the right hand corner for English speakers.

Seriously, invest a little time in reading the posts and it will pay back in spades.

Good luck,

Jake

[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1534242]I like to think that there is an intended pun behind this word, because you know, there is "phenomenal" and ther is "proverbial" (from pro-verba) , and if you think, there should be "pronominal", from pro-nomus. Heh heh, I am no Noam Chomsky, but I should start my special course of exegese[/QUOTE]Me too, RB.

Then the obverse could be something like 'subnominal'?

But anyway, we digress...

[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1535055].

Then the obverse could be something like 'subnominal'?

But anyway, we digress.[/QUOTE]Conson to every word. Unisenting.)

This is report of Day 1. This is my 5th trip to Moscow in under a year as a simple sex tourist.

I arrived in Moscow at 0530 on Saturday 8 Feb. I get through all the airport stuff, take aeroexpress into the city, and take the metro to Smolenskaya, and walk to my apartment. If you have luggage I suggest you take a taxi but at 0730 on a Saturday morning the metro was dead. I arrive at my apartment after 8 AM and settle in for a few hours sleep. I woke up around 1 PM, sent Oksana an SMS confirming our date for the first night, and do some errands. I went grocery shopping, got beverages, and slippers. At around 5 I am back in my apartment getting ready for the night.

I get dressed, walk to the metro, and take a quick ride to Mayakovskaya. After 5 trips, I am getting really good at using the metro. I meet Oksana at a German style place called Bavarius. She is into Germany so I thought she might like it. When Oksana and I met at 19:30, I was a little disappointed. She was attractive and had a nice tight body, but just not really my type. We had great communication before I got to Moscow but the 'magic' just wasn't there.

After dinner, we walked up to Belaruskaya as I wanted to take her to a place Jake introduced me to. I couldn't find the place and ended up at a place called La Bottega. I sent an SMS to Jake to see if he was around and to ask about the place I was looking for. Funny as hell, he told me he had been in La Bottega maybe 30 minutes before I got there. It is a nice place, very quiet, and reasonably priced, but it was dead at midnight on a Satuday night so I doubt if it is a place to go to look for women. It was, however, a good place to talk to Oksana.

At around 23:30 I got an SMS from Nadya saying she had arrived at the airport and was headed for the train. At around 01:00 I was still talking to Oksana but our conversation was drying up. About that time she suggested she should go home because she had lots to do the next day, I was all for it. I had thought I would be with herr late and have to leave Nadya waiting for me, but this was good timing as I was quite sure I would have a nice time with Nadya.

I put Oksana in a taxi and got my own and headed to Smolenskaya to meet Nadya at John Bull Pub. It is a nice 'irish pub' style place. I got there and looked around and she was not there. It was around 01:30 so she should have made it from the airport. I sent her an SMS but didn't get a response right away. While I was looking around, I did notice some attractive women of around 40 giving me the eye. I would have practiced my cold approach had I not been a bit concerned about Nadya. I called her and there was no answer. I sat near the bar where I could see everyone entering the place and just before 02:00 Nadya walked in.

It turns out that her phone was out of Money and, because I had told her I would likely be late meeting herr, she had decided too walk from Belaruskaya to Smolenskaya. It is about 4 kilometers so not bad, but she did have me worried.

When I arranged to meet Nadya at John Bull Pub, I had assumed it was open basically all night. When I got there the place was basically pretty full. But it turns out that it closes at 02:00 so it was real lucky that Nadya made it on time or things could have turned out to be much more complicated. I would have drank with her for a while there, but because it was closing, I asked her if she just wanted to go back to the apartment and drink there. As she and I had done almost all of our drinking together previously in my apartments and she was staying with me this time, I thought this was reasonable. She readily agreed.

We get back to my place. We put herr stuff away, poured some drinks and started to talk about some relationship issues that we have been having with our respective lovers. We drank maybe 10 or so drinks and I started rubbing her shoulders which she responded to very nicely. I asked her if she wanted a real massage and she said yes. I picked her up and carried her to the bedroom which she responded to very well. I laid some towels on the bed, undressed her except for her thong, had her lay on her front, used some baby oil and gave her a nice massage. She later said it was the best she ever had. About 30 minutes into the massage I was at her thong and went to remove it. She gave no protest and it was great rubbing her from neck to feet including her very yummy looking ass.

I eventually turn her over. Her body looks very nice (her face is very 'average' at best by my standard) laying there and I start giving her a front massage. Her breasts then stomach and thighs and then to her pussy. From there we transition pretty quickly to sex. It was funny, up until the point I started stroking her pussy, in the 6 nights I had hung out and drank with her (almost all of that when I was with Katya) and all the way up to this point we had not had a single kiss—not even a light, friendly one. But when I started stroking her she turned into a kissing fiend. In any case, we fucked for more than an hour in multiple positions and the question of condoms never came up at all. I had told her back in October I could not have kids but she was drunk out of her mind then so I am not sure if she remembered it or not but she didn't even hint at concern with me cumming inside her. When I was exhausted around 6 AM I would guess, we went to sleep.

I have attached 2 pictures. They are not very good and do very little to show off Nadya's actually very nice, tight 19 year old body. You will notice that I make an effort to take pictures with either the girl or me in one of 2 tshirts so that skeptics can see that I am actually with these different girls in my apartment and elsewhere. I don't share (and rarely take) sexual pictures, so I guess you will just have to trust that if a girl is in my apartment and wearing my tshirt, she probably actually had sex with me. I only make this comment as it seems there are many skeptics out there that don't think any of this is possible.

That was end of Day 1 in Moscow. More reports to follow. I am open to any questions.

Glad to read these posts.

At the risk of being too pragmatic, my questions are all financial: who paid for the plane ticket and how much was it, and has Nadya been promised any (other?) financial incentives to get her to Moscow? I always like to try and have a ballpark figure on the total cost of the meetings chronicled here, either to compare with my own efforts or to get an idea what the cost might be if I went somewhere I've never been before.

The interpersonal issues are great, but, what's the total price (drinks included)?

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1535588]This is report of Day 1. This is my 5th trip to Moscow in under a year as a simple sex tourist.

I arrived in Moscow at 0530 on Saturday 8 Feb. I get through all the airport stuff, take aeroexpress into the city, and take the metro to Smolenskaya, and walk to my apartment. If you have luggage I suggest you take a taxi but at 0730 on a Saturday morning the metro was dead. I arrive at my apartment after 8 AM and settle in for a few hours sleep. I woke up around 1 PM, sent Oksana an SMS confirming our date for the first night, and do some errands. I went grocery shopping, got beverages, and slippers. At around 5 I am back in my apartment getting ready for the night."

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1535818]The interpersonal issues are great, but, what's the total price (drinks included)?[/QUOTE]Hi Skwiskwis, I will do a full breakdown of my costs at the end of my report. Yes I did pay for plane tickets (about $160 USD) and gave her about $100 USD spending money. More on costs later.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1535588]I only make this comment as it seems there are many skeptics out there that don't think any of this is possible.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry Yummy, [i][b]I[/b][/i] believe in you. :)

Pay no nevermind to the skeptics. Your skeptics are guys who a) have never been to Russia or Moscow and therefore don't know what they're talking about, or b) have visited Russia or Moscow, but were too lazy or too stupid to take advantage of an opportunity when it slapped them in the face. Those of us who know Moscow know that your experience is pretty much just SOP.

It might help to talk a little bit about all the time and effort you put into planning one of your trips. No need to divulge specific websites, just total number of girls contacted, how many responded, how many got onto the short list and how many finally showed up. Once they understand the amount of effort you put into planning one of your trips, that should shutup most of your skeptics pretty quick.


BTW - What airport did you arrive at? Also, which apartment rental agency do you like to use?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1535848]Don't worry Yummy, [i][b]I[/b][/i] Believe in you. .

Pay no nevermind to the skeptics. Your skeptics are guys who a) have never been to Russia or Moscow and therefore don't know what they're talking about, or be) have visited Russia or Moscow, but were too lazy or too stupid to take advantage of an opportunity when it slapped them in the face. Those of us who know Moscow know that your experience is pretty much just SOP.

It might help to talk a little bit about all the time and effort you put into planning one of your trips. No need to divulge specific websites, just total number of girls contacted, how many responded, how many got onto the short list and how many finally showed up. Once they understand the amount of effort you put into planning one of your trips, that should shutup most of your skeptics pretty quick.

BTW. What airport did you arrive at? Also, which apartment rental agency do you like to use?[/QUOTE]Strav,

He is using Airbnb and also I am with advice of him. I had used it and agent called Yaroslav bullsheeted to me at the end but it's still a good service to use. Cheap and reliable.

You also read his previous posts.)

Regards.

Nadya and I wake up around 13:00. We had spent most of the night sleeping close in each other's arms. I get up to make coffee, and I send a SMS to Anastasiya telling her I arrived in Moscow that morning and confirming our date for the evening. She replies and we arrange to meet at 19:30 near Smolenskaya.

Nadya and I eat some breakfast in the apartment, get cleaned up, and dressed. We don't really talk about the night before and she is making no attempt to be affectionate toward me. I am quite surprised by this but who the fuck knows the psychology of a Russian girl. She tells me she wants to go to a Museum and she does a little research. I told her I had a dinner planned with a friend but that I would walk with her somewhere if she wanted me to. She decides she wants to go to the Tretyakov gallery and I tell her I know the way and I will walk her there and show her some stuff on the way, then I would return to the apartment while she looked at the gallery and I would see her later that night.

So we walk and I show her some sculptures and historic buildings along the way. I drop her off at Tretyakov and head to the metro. I make my way back to the apartment and start to get ready. I call the 'white Rabbit' and make reservations for 20:00. I get dressed in slacks, sport coat, and my signature socks with nice shoes.

Anastasiya and I meet right on time at Smolenskaya Passage and we walk to the restaurant. She looks good and is dressed to kill but she is bigger than I had hoped for. Not fat at all, but 5'11' and thin but not very thin. But she looks good and from the very start she is close to me and flirtatious. We go to the restaurant and she is impressed and happy. When we are there she asks if we can order a bottle of wine. I am a bit irritated as wine is stupid expensive in Moscow, but it was a nice restaurant and I was confident she was going to fuck me, so I say 'of course. ' I choose a relatively inexpensive wine from the list that happened to cost around 4000 rubles. I keep telling myself I am going to get good sex from this girl.

We had a good night. There was lots of touching and kissing. But around midnight she said it is getting late and she needed to get up for work in the morning. Always keeping in mind in the back of my head that Nadya would be back at the apartment if we went back there, I asked her if she wanted to go back to my place to stay the night. She said she would go but she could only stay a few minutes. This was enough for me to confirm she was willing to have sex with me, so I backed off a little and talked about being jet-lagged myself and maybe we should wait until she was prepared to stay the night. She readily and seemingly genuinely agreed. I expected to return to the apartment and drink a little more with Nadya and fuck her again.

So I put Anastasiya in a taxi and walk toward my apartment. I get there probably a little after 01:00 and Nadya is there drinking. I pour us both a drink, hers stronger than mine, and we start to talk. We talk for several hours about relationships, sex and music. We talk about my ex-lover and her ex-fiancé. We are close and friendly but it does not get sexual. I give her a back rub but we do not transition to a full-body rub. Finally we sleep together but it was only sleep. There was no move toward sex from her and I respected her by keeping my sexual advances to a minimum. I had no idea what was going on in her head but she is more of a friend than a lover so it was no problem.

So that is the end of Day 2. A little disappointing but not a bad night. Its not like I often am so close to a 26 year old and a 19 year old both on the same night back at home.

This picture is of Anastasiya. I didn't take it and it isn't great but it gives you a decent idea. This is the one Jake met.

Iceberg is correct I use airbnb for my apartments. This time I flew into Sheremetyevo but I have also flown into Domodedovo.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1536832]We don't really talk about the night before and she is making no attempt to be affectionate toward me. I am quite surprised by this but who the fuck knows the psychology of a Russian girl.[/QUOTE]

She likes you, more then she expected, she probably thought to spend the day with you, but you obviously have plans to spend it with another woman, therefore she resents you and hates herself for liking you. It's all very simple, really.

[QUOTE]We go to the restaurant and she is impressed and happy. When we are there she asks if we can order a bottle of wine. I am a bit irritated as wine is stupid expensive in Moscow[/QUOTE]

This is just a little test. She wants to know; a) do you have money to spend? and, b) will you spend it on her?

[QUOTE]I choose a relatively inexpensive wine from the list that happened to cost around 4000 rubles.[/QUOTE]

I hope it was at least a California wine! :)


[QUOTE]I keep telling myself I am going to get good sex from this girl.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but did you tell her that?

Hi guys,

Luckily I have the opportunity to travel for business and next week I will be in Moscow again, it will be my 5th time!

In the first 2 visits I had the lick to have a "girlfriend" there, she was the secretary of my customer and she was great, but now she is married and just had a baby, so, I must forget her.

Actually I'm getting lazy, older, less time, so I just go for pay.

I have been to the Night Fly 3 times, good experiences, the last one was with a great brunette with long hairs, clean face, small tits but so beautiful! Good time at my hotel, almost 3 hours of everything except anal, such a nice girl! She is around 24 and she was also funny, she kept on confusing Valencia with Venice, her dream was to go to Spain and she mentioned Valencia, but she was actually talking about Venice, as she mentioned gondola and channel. Tried to explain her the mistake. She didn't understand.

I tried to use rusdosug with bad results, many of the girls do not speak English amd many didn't answer the phone, maybe because of my foreign telephone number?

This time I will spend one night at the Cosmos hotel, read a lot about it, it should be funny, an experience!

Than I will stay at the Golden Ring hotel, it should be girl friendly (can someone confirm?)

My question is: is there any place similar to the Night Fly but a little cheaper? There they start asking 500$ for the night, you can go down to 350$ if you insist, but never had anything for less.

About Saloon, do you know any of them where you can go without speaking Russian? I only know the and niet in their language.

After my visit I will report my experience!

Thanks for your help my friends!

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1537167]She likes you, more then she expected, she probably thought to spend the day with you.[/QUOTE]I guess this is possible but based on our previous relationship this seems strange to me. I only told her I was having dinner with a friend and she know I have male friends in Moscow. Also she should know I would be going home to her that night. But what the fuck do I know?

Nadya and I wake up together around 10:00. She had her tshirt and thong on and I had my boxers on. Again we had slept basically in each other's arms throughout the night but nothing at all sexual occurred. Nadya stayed in bed a while as I took a shower and sent and SMS to Oksana confirming our lunch plans. I push Nadya out of bed about 11:30 and tell her I am headed to work but I expected to meet her with Kori around 18:00.

To maintain the façade of 'working' I go to a coffee shop for about 2 hours and have a cappuccino and use the WiFi. I talk to the waitress some trying to practice my Russian but not doing very well. Either I was doing a very bad job with pronunciation or she wasn't interested in hearing me try. At around 14:00 I head to Tsvetnoy Bulvar to meet Oksana for lunch. We ate at a sad little Vietnamese restaurant. Again the 'magic' was not there and I think we both decided that it would be the last time we saw each other. No harm.

I spent the rest of the afternoon walking around the city, I try to talk to a few girls, and scout out a few nightclubs so I can find them in the dark. I also contact Anna and my other A girl and talk to both on the phone for a little while and discuss plans for the week.

At about 16:30 Kori sends me an SMS telling me her flight arrived and she is on her way. At around 18:00 I arrive at John Bull Pub and Kori sees me outside and runs over and hugs me. We go inside and order some beer. I ask her if she is hungry and she says no. I send Nadya an SMS to meet us there. We drink beer and Nadya arrives at around 19:00. I was happy to have Nadya arrive as Kori's English was not nearly as good as I remembered. We drink a couple of more and Kori suggests she make us dinner at the apartment. We then head to the supermarket, get some food and head to the apartment.

At the apartment we eat, drink, smoke, and talk and listen to music. To my disappointment there seems to be ZERO competition between the two girls. Both are friendly, a little affectionate, but not really sexual at all. We got pretty drunk and at some point I tried to kiss Kori. She pulls back from the kiss. I was a bit irritated as I was drunk, I believed that there was an unspoken agreement that we would be sexual partners, and quite honestly, this was the first time in my entire life that I tried to kiss a girl and she drew back from me. I didn't know how to react. I am sure I looked unhappy but I played it real cool.

In any case, we continued to drink and talk. At the end of the night around 05:00 we went to bed. Neither Kori nor Nadya chose to sleep with me. This is not the direction I wanted the trip to take.

End of Day 3

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1537474]I spent the rest of the afternoon walking around the city, I try to talk to a few girls[/QUOTE]Curious to know how that worked out. Are you talking to them in Russian? Looking for girls who speak English? Combination of the two? Any success? Waste of time? Fuck off?

[QUOTE]I also contact Anna and my other A girl and talk to both on the phone for a little while and discuss plans for the week.[/QUOTE]Again, are you talking to them in Russian? English? Combination of the two? Neither of the above? Are you using your iPad / iPhone translator?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1537963]Curious to know how that worked out. Are you talking to them in Russian? Looking for girls who speak English? Combination of the two? Any success? Waste of time? Fuck off?

Again, are you talking to them in Russian? English? Combination of the two? Neither of the above? Are you using your iPad / iPhone translator?[/QUOTE]I try a little of both English and Russian. I usual greet them in Russian and ask them if they speak English in Russian. And then depending on their skill, I continue the best I can.

From my perspective it is never a waste of time to talk to girls. You can never get enough practice with a cold approach. I have not had a lot of success on the street but almost every girl I have talked to has been friendly. I have never gotten a "fuck off" yet.)

With Anna and my other girl (I will call her "Magic" from now on) I speak English. They both know English pretty well.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1537996]From my perspective it is never a waste of time to talk to girls. You can never get enough practice with a cold approach. I have not had a lot of success on the street but almost every girl I have talked to has been friendly.[/QUOTE]True, the "cold approach" in Russia is much warmer than it is here in the States. Brrrr!

Yummy,

This is my style usually. Going and talking to them in the street.

You need some steady nerves to compensate the continous refusal!

By the way what do you think about Night Clubs or Bar's pick up scene?

Did you like old pub? Did you discover any good one?

I also advice the big underground shopping centre. The one including Mcdonalds always crazy busy. (It's the cheapest rest. In Moscow.)

Regards.

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1537996]I try a little of both English and Russian. I usual greet them in Russian and ask them if they speak English in Russian. And then depending on their skill, I continue the best I can.

From my perspective it is never a waste of time to talk to girls. You can never get enough practice with a cold approach. I have not had a lot of success on the street but almost every girl I have talked to has been friendly. I have never gotten a "fuck off" yet.)

With Anna and my other girl (I will call her "Magic" from now on) I speak English. They both know English pretty well.[/QUOTE]Yummy, are these girls all freebies? I mean other than wining and dining and paying transport for some?

Are you fucking 19 year olds for free?

And, sorry if you covered this earlier and I missed it, but what is your profile? How old are you?

GT

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel; 1538018]Yummy, are these girls all freebies? I mean other than wining and dining and paying transport for some?

Are you fucking 19 year olds for free?

And, sorry if you covered this earlier and I missed it, but what is your profile? How old are you?

GT[/QUOTE]Yes all of them are "freebies." I have so far fucked four19 year olds and am working on a fifth. I "helped" one with a total of less than $500 USD but she was an incredibly hot sweetheart and we had a total 6 days and nights of fun together. Unfortunately we are currently "broken up" but I hope she will come to her senses and find me again. Other than that it has been the cost of travel and a little party money.

In fact, except for the one, the younger my girls were, the cheaper they have been.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel;1538018]And, sorry if you covered this earlier and I missed it, but what is your profile? How old are you?[/QUOTE]I am 46. I claim to be 42 but I look 46. I am in good shape and almost have my "six-pack" abs back. I will have them by summer. Of curse most girls don't see that unless we are fucking.

I wake up alone in my bed on Tuesday morning about 10:00. I had hoped that one of the girls would join me overnight but it did not happen. I get out of bed and find that I am the first one awake. I go shower and brush my teeth. At that point I hear the hot water kettle whistling so I go into the kitchen. There I find Kori looking very good in a tank top and panties making breakfast. One of my main priorities in selecting an apartment is that it is warm so that there is no reason for anyone to have extra clothes on, and this apartment is probably about 25-26 degrees so it is pretty perfect. I am assuming that Nadya is still sleeping in her room.

Kori makes no move toward me so I walk up behind her and give her a backrub as she cooks. She responds very favorably but not particularly affectionately. My hands roam her body a bit but I don't go too far. We try to have a conversation but it is very limited because of both of our language limitations. I told her I had a meeting at noon so would head out soon and would be gone the rest of the day but that I expected to be back around maybe 2100 in the evening if she wanted to do something. She basically told me she understood but did not indicate her plans at all except she would be going out.

I have some tea, bread, and cheese-my normal breakfast-and then go into Nadya's room to find her sleeping with just her thong on. I crawl into bed with her and cuddle up behind her. She is warm toward me and holds my arms to her. I tell her my plans for the day as I did with Kori, and she told me she was going to a few museums. I said great and I would see her that evening, give her a kiss, and leave her to sleep.

I had made plans to see Anastasiya for lunch at 14:00 and a new girl Anna for an early dinner. I walk out of the apartment at about 11:15 and head to my usual coffee shop to sit with a cappuccino and use some WiFi away from the girls. At about 12:30 I send an SMS to Anastasiya confirming our lunch. She responds that she can't make it but she hopes I can see her in the evening. I tell her I have a business dinner but that I expected it would end fairly early if she wanted to get together afterward. She agrees "if it is not too late."

I had about 5 hours free before dinner so I decided to go to the Orlov Museum of Paleontology. It was a very good museum but everything is in Russian. I don't think I saw a single sign translated into English.

I confirmed dinner for 18:00 and head out to get to Puskinskaya. I go to the shop on the corner and get my standard first date single rose. I head to the restaurant and get there a few minutes before her. The entrance to the restaurant is down a flight of open stairs with a good view up from the foyer. I get an SMS that said 3 minutes and maybe a minute later I am looking at the stairs and I see her enter. Wow, she looks nice. Probably a few pounds more than my preference (I like really thin girls) but I think that most guys that like brunettes word rate her as an objective "8". Really, very nice.

We sit down for dinner and the restaurant is loud so not so easy to talk. She works as an English teacher so her English is great but she does have a pretty strong (sexy as hell) accent. She tells me she has to leave at 20:30 because she is meeting a private student at 21:00.

We are in the restaurant for maybe 90 minutes. During this time she keeps her distance and is a bit cold. At the end of eating she asks if I wanted to leave to go someplace more quiet. I agree and we walk outside. We walk in the park at Puskinskaya. I don't know how long the lights are up in the trees, but it is really a romantic place to walk with a girl on a winter night. The "Christmas" decorations are really pretty.

We walk a bit as we walk down some slipper steps she holds onto my arm tightly and gets close to me. At the bottom of the steps she loosens up a little and I take her hand and kiss it. She is staying real close to me so I go in to get a real kiss and she responds favorably. It is so funny t me the contrast between different girls. Until this girl pulled close up to me, it didn't seem she was interested at all. So we make out in the cold for maybe 30 minutes with some moderate body contact. This stunningly pretty girl was the best kisser I have had since Diana the previous summer. She really knew how to push mu buttons.

After making out for that time, she said she really had to go so we got her a taxi and I gave her a little taxi fare and she was on her way.

At that point I send an SMS Nadya asking her what she was doing and didn't get a response. I also sent one to Kori and she said she was with a friend and would be home late. I thought, OK, it looks like Anastasiya will work. I really didn't want Anastasiya after being with Anna but I was free so I thought why not. I send her an SMS and she complains about it being too late. I say I will come to her neighborhood to meet her so she didn't have to go far, and she suggested I just come to her place.

When I get to her place, which is just a big bedroom that she rents in an apartment, Anastasiya is looking pretty good. I am not sure if what she is wearing is a slinky little cocktail dress or if it is intended to be just loungewear, but it was silky and very short. At 181cm and 63 kilos, she is not a small girl, but she is wearing it well. As I greeted her I was wondering if she would notice any evidence of my time with Anna, but she seemed a little drunk and oblivious to looking for anything.

The evening progressed perfectly. To make it short, we started kissing almost immediately, I give her a massage, culminating in me eating her and then fucking her. At about 01:00 she said we should go to bed as she needed to get up early. I told her I also needed to get up early and had my stuff back at my apartment. So, we decided that it would be best for me to head home.

When I get back to the apartment at 01:30, both Kori and Nadya are there drinking. I join them and we talk and listen to music for a couple of hours. Still, there is zero apparent competition between the girls and I am trying to not show favoritism. (Kori is the one I want because I haven't had her yet and Nadya was only average in bed.) There is some touching and playing but clothes basically stay on and about 04:00 I head to bed alone and they stay up talking in Russian.

This is Anna. Not my picture but a good look at her.

That concludes Day 4.

Yummy,

Can't help but be curious... When you leave the apartment in the morning to go to your "business meeting", how are you dressed?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1540701]Yummy,

Can't help but be curious. When you leave the apartment in the morning to go to your "business meeting", how are you dressed?[/QUOTE]Depending on my audience but pretty much like a business man.

Well following the advise from this site I went to old school pub around 23:00 this night and I did not get in. In Che I also did not get in. Like I said before the nightlife in Moscow sucks and you better off in Munich or another German City. I found my girlfriend through Russiancupid and this is much better than going to bars. Finally I just went to La Kantina which is always nice. However the drink here also getting more expensive (Rum-cola now 280 Rub which was 180 Rub one year ago.

I have to be here for business but even then it it not that great. I recommend not going to Moscow unless absolutely nessecary for business. For mongering any German city is much better than Moscow. I work 50% of my time in Moscow and the other 50% in Germany so I know what I talk about.

Tiffany

[QUOTE=Member #2096; 1541095]Well following the advise from this site I went to old school pub around 23:00 this night and I did not get in. In Che I also did not get in. Like I said before the nightlife in Moscow sucks and you better off in Munich or another German City. I found my girlfriend through Russiancupid and this is much better than going to bars. Finally I just went to La Kantina which is always nice. However the drink here also getting more expensive (Rum-cola now 280 Rub which was 180 Rub one year ago.

I have to be here for business but even then it it not that great. I recommend not going to Moscow unless absolutely nessecary for business. For mongering any German city is much better than Moscow. I work 50% of my time in Moscow and the other 50% in Germany so I know what I talk about.

Tiffany[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. Germany cannot beat for mongering. Moscow has a different appeal. If you live there 50% of the time there is absolutely no reason for you to ever pay a hooker unless you want to. As Jake said to me when we were having a drink together,"Moscow is filled with under-appreciated 7s." You just need to find them (or have them find you!) and appreciate them.

Well I did not need to pay but never found a girl in a bar. They all give their telephone number but next day they never answer or are busy or other excuses not to see you. So if you can not score on the first evening forget about it.

But I did very easy find girls on the RussianCupid site. Just take them for a meal one or two times and they go with you to the hotel. Then of course it becomes a long term relationship until the girls want to get married (usually after 3-6 months) and the story starts again.

[QUOTE=Member #2096; 1541195]Well I did not need to pay but never found a girl in a bar. They all give their telephone number but next day they never answer or are busy or other excuses not to see you. So if you can not score on the first evening forget about it.

But I did very easy find girls on the RussianCupid site. Just take them for a meal one or two times and they go with you to the hotel. Then of course it becomes a long term relationship until the girls want to get married (usually after 3-6 months) and the story starts again.[/QUOTE]I agree using the Web for first meeting is good. I can't pretend to give advice to someone that is there much more than I am, but it seems socializing outside of nightclubs can be effective. Also, at nightclubs, how far are you going? Are you drinking, dancing, touching, kissing? It seems to me that you have to go beyond the simple talking phase to get their return commitment. I assure you it is not impossible.

May I ask your ethnicity? What clothes you wear? I am an American white guy and have never been denied by face control anywhere, but Iceburg is Turkish and he also got into Old School Pub and had a great time.

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1541303]I agree using the Web for first meeting is good. I can't pretend to give advice to someone that is there much more than I am, but it seems socializing outside of nightclubs can be effective. Also, at nightclubs, how far are you going? Are you drinking, dancing, touching, kissing? It seems to me that you have to go beyond the simple talking phase to get their return commitment. I assure you it is not impossible.

May I ask your ethnicity? What clothes you wear? I am an American white guy and have never been denied by face control anywhere, but Iceburg is Turkish and he also got into Old School Pub and had a great time.[/QUOTE]Well I am European from Holland and have blond hair and blue eyes and I am as white as the Russians. I wear normal casual clothes, like Gant, Tommy, Mc Gregor but not a suit. But I am 47 and maybe they only let young people in. I do drink in bars, kiss, touch, in general you can be bolder in Russia than in Europe since they will kick you out easily. I have picked up some gals from La Kantina before for one night stand so it is not impossible. Just my experience is that if a girl is with 2 friend or something they want to go back together. No matter how much she enjoyed that night with you, the moment she is sober the next morning all is forgotten and that includes you then. I think it also depends on the time of the night, at 9:00 they will probably let you in but at prime time in a popular club in the centre you can forget to get in alone. So the nightlife in Moscow pretty much sucks for me, that's why I mostly focus on internet dating and not on meeting gals in bars since it is almost impossible in Russia. I have travelled to many countries and if you ever come in Asia (Shanghai, Taipei, Seoul, Singapore, Bangkok) the nightlife is so much better, cheaper and the girls nicer and easyer.

I think that speaking Russian makes life a lot easyer and my Rusian level is close to zero which makes it also very difficult to get taxis. But to learn Russian I probably had to quit my job for one or two years to full time study Russian which is not possible.

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1541303]I agree using the Web for first meeting is good. I can't pretend to give advice to someone that is there much more than I am, but it seems socializing outside of nightclubs can be effective.

May I ask your ethnicity? What clothes you wear? I am an American white guy and have never been denied by face control anywhere, but Iceburg is Turkish and he also got into Old School Pub and had a great time.[/QUOTE]He is right about the time. I was let in because it was 10:30 pm when I try to enter O. S. P. There was only one young bodyguard in front of the door and he didn't even notice that I enter but the same night around 1 am I am rudely denied at che by a bodyguard. If you have time it s of course better to use web to meet girls but personally I don't have time and patience for this. So people like me must find another way to meet with them.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1541481]but the same night around 1 am I am rudely denied at che by a bodyguard.[/QUOTE]But Che is very popular and very tiny. I've not tried to enter there at 01:00 on a weekend night. I suspect some handsome oligarchs might be denied without passing some cash to the manager or doorman...

I am curious if anybody has experience reserving a table at Che?

I lost my notes on Day 5. I know not much happened but I am not sure why I did not have a lunch date planned. I know I wanted to have the evening at home with the girls because this was Nadya's last night with me.

Around 14:00 I contacted my new girl Maria (Masha) and asked if she could meet me for an early dinner. I had told her I had arrived in Moscow on Monday, two days earlier. She agreed and we met near her metro station at around 18:00 and went to a place called El Basco Tapas Bar. It was quiet, and had good food for the price. It was a good place to sit and talk. She seemed thrilled to be there with me and liked the single rose I got her. This girl was easy to please. I've not had such a positive initial reaction since I first met my girl Olga.

We had a nice conversation and after dinner we went for a short walk around the neighborhood. We held hands and she held my arm. At about 20:30 I told her I had to go (I had told her when we set up the date). We had a brief but nice kiss goodnight and I departed on the metro. A few minutes after I left she texted me and thanked me for the evening and the rose. Good start although it was obvious this girl was a husband hunter.

I get back to the apartment at about 21:30 to join Nadya and Kori. We drank together and I was showing Nadya some attention. She was friendlier than she had been. At around midnight we all decided to go on a walk. We walk all the way from Arbat to Pushkinskaya and then to Red Square before returning home around 4. It was fun. The three of us drank a little more and then we went to bed. This night Nadya spent the night with me but with no sex. We just slept holding each other like close friends. I guess we will keep our relationship there. Probably for the best anyway.

Picture of Masha I did not take but gives you a good idea. Really very nice for a 28 year old.

End of Day 5

Yummy,

Of the women you met on your trip, how many of them, do you think, actually believed your cover as a "businessman"?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1542180]Yummy,

Of the women you met on your trip, how many of them, do you think, actually believed your cover as a "businessman"?[/QUOTE]Of the 20 or so women I have been with long enough to share a meal with in all my trips to Russia, only two asked me too many questions on our first date. I did not make any attempt to contact those two again.

I believe all the other ones believe me completely. My story is basically seamless and consistent across every woman I meet. The only slight difference really is where I am on any given day and arrival dates and departure dates. I keep it simple and take notes for myself. This is almost as much science as it is art for me. I would like to make the trips to Moscow simply tourism trips but who goes to Moscow 5-6 times a year just for tourism? So my frequency also adds to the illusion.

I'd feel bad except I know all girls are blood sucking vampires.))) I am giving them enough by treating them well. Maybe someday I will actually fall in love. I have the perfect out for that, as well.

I really think my biggest risk of exposure is remembering the girl's name. Too many girls and many of them have similar or the same name. It can be challenging. I try to adopt pet names as early as they are feasible. I also worry about VK a bit. I have most of the girls hidden but I can't hide them "liking" my posts.

I had set my alarm for 11:00 and I tapped on the snooze button when it went off. It was nice being snuggled up to Nadya. Before my alarm went off a second time Kori entered the room and jumped on the bed with us. She was jumping on the bed rather actively and disrupting any rest so I grabbed her and pulled her under the blankets. She snuggled up with me on the opposite side as Nadya. They both had their leg across me and their arms wrapped around me. It was really the first sign of competition since Kori arrived. I took advantage of it and my hands were roaming freely (but not overtly sexually) and I had a raging hard on but things didn't develop in that direction. I guess I should be more sexually assertive.

After lounging a bit we crawl out of bed. Nadya's flight is at 16:30 so we really don't have much time. We eat and shower and Nadya and I head for the metro. I escort Nadya to the Aeroexpress and she gives me a nice hug and kiss goodbye and is on her way. I send a SMS to a new girl Svetlana confirming our dinner at 19:00. I return to the apartment to rest, get some computer time, and get ready for the evening. Kori wrote me that she is out with friends and would be home late.

I meet Svetlana at the same restaurant that I met Anna at on Tuesday evening. I will take this opportunity to note that I had both sent SMS messages and an email to that Anna who was very fun, but so far she has not responded to me at all when she had always responded quickly before. In any case, Svetlana is quite attractive but very cool toward me. We had great email conversations and we share many interests but I guess I am losing my touch with the older girls. In any case, we have dinner and talk for about 2 hours and then she says she should be going soon. We talk a bit more then I walk her out to her car. It was pleasant to spend this time with her but it ended in a simple hug and kiss on the cheek.

Perhaps I knew going in that things would not be great because I had sent an SMS to Jake that I would be eating in his neighborhood and didn't expect to be late if he would be around. I sent him a text saying dinner was done and we met at his local hangout. We talked and swapped stories. A big shout out to Jake—he is a great guy. During my time with Jake, my girl Olga who I broke it off with sent me 4 SMS messages asking how I was and wanting to see me. I really didn't want to see her this trip as I didn't want to get caught up in her clinginess so I ignored her messages.

Jake had to work in the morning so we finished up maybe around midnight. I sent a SMS to Kori asking what she was doing. Her immediate response was 'I got a present for you) ' and told me she would give it to me when I got to the apartment. She then said 'I am sorry I didn't ask but I am in the apartment drinking with a friend. ' I told her that it wasn't a problem and her friend was welcome. Inside I was a bit concerned that it was going to be a guy and even a little concerned that this being our last night and I was alone that she might even rob me. This was not a big concern, but the thought crossed my mind for sure.

When I got to the apartment I entered cautiously and then I heard the sounds of quick movement. Then I see Kori come around the corner quickly and she ran to me and gave me a big hug and light kiss. She was wearing one of my tshirts with panties underneath. She was obviously a bit drunk. This was a good sign but I remained cautious. I walk into the living room and there sat her friend—a very attractive young lady wearing a little tshit and leggings. Very nice. Kori grabbed something off the counter and brought it to me. It was a tshirt of a Russian rock band—pretty cool actually. She started to apologize profusely for bringing a friend over without asking. I thought to myself ' I like the shirt a lot but if things turn out well, I think your friend is a much better present. ' In any case I assured her it was not problem and I was happy to have her friend there. She introduces me to her friend Sveta that was her best friend in high school but that was now attending university in Moscow. She was attractive and had a great little athletic body. It turns out she is a runner on her school running team. Very yummy.)

For the next 4-5 hours we sit and listen to music and drink. Sveta's English is worse than Kori's is but we manage to be OK. Throughout the night Kori is very close to me but Sveta is pretty friendly too. The girls often sit on both sides of me on the couch very close when there are many places to sit and plenty of room on the couch so that closeness wasn't necessary. It was very good and so far my best night in Moscow. The most overtly sexual I got with Sveta was when she put her bare feet on my lap and I gave her a foot rub and then started sucking on her toes. I can't confirm this, but I had done something very similar with both Nadya and Kori on previous nights so I almost think it was a setup by Kori. In any case, Sveta reacted first by pulling away but then reversed her actions and seemed to enjoy the attention I was giving her feet. About a week ago in VK I mentioned the situation and Sveta told me that she thought it was a little weird but Kori had said I liked feet and it felt good.)

In any case, again I probably should have been more sexually aggressive and I might have gotten a threesome but I played it cool and we ended the night with me making the bed for Sveta in the living room and Kori going to bed with me. It was a good night. Sex was very good and I am sure it was somewhat fueled by the sexual tension of the night. Kori was a good kisser and quite loud. There is no doubt that Sveta would have heard her (and the neighbors, and maybe the people on the street for their morning commute.) I think we probably passed out around 06:00.

The picture is me with Kori and Sveta in the apartment and both girls on the balcony. The other picture is of Sveta that I did not take.

End of Day 6

Yummy,

Love the foto of Kori and Sveta smoking on the balkon, это очень типичный (it's very typical).

When you send your SMS messages, are you writing in Cyrillic? English? How do the girls respond?

It must be quite a treat for a young Russian woman to have the run-of-the-house in a nice apartment in the center of Moscow, I imagine Kori couldn't wait to get rid of Nadya so that she could invite her friend over. Too bad Nadya stayed so long???

[QUOTE]I took advantage of it and my hands were roaming freely (but not overtly sexually) and I had a raging hard on but things didn't develop in that direction. I guess I should be more sexually assertive.[/QUOTE]

So, you're lying in bed with 2 naked women and a raging hard-on. Can't help but be curious, just exactly what part of "Yes" did you not understand? :)

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[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1543121]When you send your SMS messages, are you writing in Cyrillic? English? How do the girls respond?

So, you're lying in bed with 2 naked women and a raging hard-on. Can't help but be curious, just exactly what part of "Yes" did you not understand? .[/QUOTE]My SMS are almost always in English. The only exceptions were Katya and Diana. With both of them I would do both.

Diana, Katya, and Kori almost always write me in Cyrillic Russian.

Well, the girls were not naked but I guess close enough with just tshirts and panties on. And just so everyone knows, I have made it clear to every girl I have shared my bed with and even some that I haven't that the preferred outfit I want them to wear is one of my tshirts and their panties. Almost all of them have been very happy to do so even if they were not going to be having sex with me during that visit. It is something that I use to assert control and dominance and generally they seem to like it. But in any case, I don't think they were saying yes, at least not Nadya. I almost wonder if Nadya was on her period at that point.

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1543920]My SMS are almost always in English. The only exceptions were Katya and Diana. With both of them I would do both.

Diana, Katya, and Kori almost always write me in Cyrillic Russian.

Well, the girls were not naked but I guess close enough with just tshirts and panties on. And just so everyone knows, I have made it clear to every girl I have shared my bed with and even some that I haven't that the preferred outfit I want them to wear is one of my tshirts and their panties. Almost all of them have been very happy to do so even if they were not going to be having sex with me during that visit. It is something that I use to assert control and dominance and generally they seem to like it. But in any case, I don't think they were saying yes, at least not Nadya. I almost wonder if Nadya was on her period at that point.[/QUOTE]Yummy.

Thanks a lot for your post. I have nothing to see with Russia mongering. Pure serendipity took me here. But I loved reading about your trip an how you planned it. Guess it would work in Asia as well if you ever want to try.

One question in the end and out of interest how many girls did you have sex with during this trip? And how many time did you fuck each of them?

[QUOTE=Jopj1; 1544088]Yummy.

Thanks a lot for your post. I have nothing to see with Russia mongering. Pure serendipity took me here. But I loved reading about your trip an how you planned it. Guess it would work in Asia as well if you ever want to try.

One question in the end and out of interest how many girls did you have sex with during this trip? And how many time did you fuck each of them?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. I will do a less narrative breakdown at the end with costs and planning details. I had sex with a total of 5 different girls.

I can't possibly go into all the details but I will try to cover most stuff that is relevant to how I act toward the girls.

I wake up around 13:00 and decide to wake up Kori by licking her pussy clean from the night before. She responds well but after just a couple of minutes she jumps up and runs to the bathroom and returns a few minutes later. We lay in bed together and fool around a bit and I then work my way down her body again and continue to eat her. I did this for a long time and she seemed to enjoy it but I don't think she came. Eventually I work my way up and we fuck in missionary and I come pretty quickly. Shortly thereafter we get out of bed and it was funny as hell because a big glob of cum dripped out of her onto the floor. I laughed my ass off and she got mad at me but then started laughing, too.

We go out to the living room where Sveta had ended up sleeping. She was still in bed but awake and got up when we entered the room. She looked fabulous in a tank top and panties. I only wish she were wearing my tshirt. We ate sandwiches for breakfast and I continued to flirt with both girls and was getting a good response from Sveta. I don't know what they were saying to each other in Russian (Nadya told me Kori used a lot of slang and I could hardly understand anything she said) but Kori told me in English in front of Sveta that she thinks I should go out with Sveta. There was some protest from Sveta but she was smiling and being friendly so I guess they had discussed this. I continued to be cool but friendly and flirting.

So now I have this active referral from Kori to start going out with her fairly hot, tight 19ish year old friend only an hour or so after I was fucking Kori. Sveta has a much better face than Kori, and she is fun. It was the start of an unbelievable weekend. So Sveta and I added each other as friends on VK and we said we would continue to communicate.

At around 16:00 Kori had to go to the airport. We left the apartment and the three of us walked together to the Metro. When we got there I asked Kori if she was Ok with money. She asked if I could give her 300 or 400 for the aeroexpress. I said no problem and went into my wallet and gave her 1500 rubles. She seemed very happy and Sveta definitely noticed this. It is incredible the different level of expectation between different girls. I think for both of these girls 1500 was very generous under the circumstances while for others 1500 is not much at all. This is the only money I gave Kori during her stay except for buying the plane ticket. I bought some food and drinks but she also bought some when I wasn't around. I never went to a restaurant with Kori and only had the couple of beers the first night in the bar. Everything else was at home.

At 16:30 we were saying our goodbyes outside the metro. I first turned to Sveta and she gave me warm, friendly, quick, but very real kiss goodbye. I then turned to Kori and she gave me a much longer and lingering kiss goodbye. Both were a treat. It is too bad Kori is not better looking because she could be a very nice continuing lover. But I guess if she were better looking we might not be where we are together today.

As soon as they walked into the metro, I sent an SMS to Masha confirming our date for the night. I walked back to my apartment and started trying to figure out where to take her. All my normal places were full with reservations (it was valentine's day and Friday) but I found a place close to Masha's home where we could go. After I made the reservation I sent an SMS to Masha confirming details. I got ready for the night dressed very well, and then headed to the Rizhskaya metro to visit the flower market there.

For the last few days Olga had been sending me SMS a couple of times a day. In the short time Jake and I spent in the bar the night before, Olga texted me about 4 times. I had responded to her respectfully but still maintaining that I didn't think we should see each other. Today was no different and I got an SMS from Olga almost pleading to see me and that she would not stay but life was short and she wanted to spend time with me. With both girls gone from my apartment, I decided I would call Olga. I talked to her and she was very excited. As I thought there was a small possibility Masha would go home with me tonight, I didn't want to commit to anything but I agreed to see Olga early in the afternoon the next day for just a few hours. I figured I could get Masha out by then.

I go to the flower market and get 11 roses for Masha, and head to dinner. She is fucking thrilled. I was very careful not to say anything about a relationship or anything more than simply enjoying her company and liking her. She was dressed HOT in a short silky dress and high, spiked healed boots. She acted very shy but she certainly was not dressed that way.

We ate dinner and she was really affectionate. We left the restaurant and were kissing and touching a lot. But then I ask her back to my apartment and her disposition changed dramatically. She said no she couldn't and she said it was probably time for her to go home. I was a bit confused but acted like it was totally cool. I sent her on her way in a taxi.

At that point (it was around midnight) I said fuck it and I sent an SMS to Olga. I told her if she wanted she could come over that night but I could only see her until Saturday afternoon. Olga quickly agreed and we arranged for her to come to my apartment at around 02:00. About the time I completed arrangements with Olga, I get a SMS from Masha apologizing to me and saying she was sooooo sorry and wanted to see me soooo much. I was like fuck me. I told her that all was OK and I would definitely see her again but that I think it better that we not see each other again that night as it was late and I was going to Tula in the morning. I said I would arrange to meet her when I got back. We go back and forth for a while but she reluctantly agrees.

So around 02:00 Olga shows up. She calls me and I go down to meet her outside. She literally runs to me, wraps her arms around me, and starts to kiss me. I was almost shocked. Olga was not normally very aggressive. We go upstairs and continue to make out. Within 15-20 minutes we were already naked in the bedroom making out and well on our way. After kissing some, she pushed me back on the bed and worked her way down my body and gave me the best blowjob she ever had ever given me (still not great).

[i]*I want to make a quick aside here. I have had sex with a total of 9 different girls in Russia, all 'freebies' and I think Olga is the only one of them that has given me a blowjob. It is possible that I am forgetting one, but I can't remember it. I do wonder about other guy's experience and if this is normal. Do you have to actually request or demand it? It has always just been a part of sexual activity with me with non Russian girls. Maybe it is just a fluke*[/i]

After a nice, aggressive blowjob I turn Olga on her back and go down on her. I don't know why I find Olga so boring. She is so compliant and she has such a nice body and nice pussy. But the fact that she seems willing to do pretty much anything but at the same time seems to not particularly be interested in anything she does makes it not interesting for me. I have considered fucking her in the ass and trying to blow my load down her throat just to see if she would do it. I almost think she would based on previous experience—but I have not gone there. In any case, I make her come (I think) and then start to work my way back up her and was preparing to enter her and for the first time since the first time we had sex, she said something about using a condom. I was a bit surprised but didn't enter her. She knew very well I couldn't have kids so I wasn't sure if this was for her protection or for my protection as we had ostensibly been exclusive to each other (never spoken but assumed) up until December. She got a condom out of her bag but I basically stopped the sexual activity at that point. I said I was tired and wanted to go to sleep. She seemed a bit shocked but we continued to kiss a bit and we curled up together and went to sleep at around 04:00.

I guess I was tired because I slept soundly until about 12:30 when Olga woke me with another nice blowjob and I actually came very quickly which is rare for me with a blowjob and she swallowed every drop. She had already been awake making breakfast with the limited food in the kitchen. She managed to make some Russian pancakes and we had some cheese and fruit. It was pleasant but awkward. I reiterated she had to leave before 17:00. She said she understood. I also reiterated that I didn't think we should see each other again, that I couldn't marry her, and I didn't think she should waste her time on me, and that we needed to move on with life. She told me she understood and wouldn't bother me anymore.

So the rest of the afternoon we talk a little and we shower and at around 16:30 she leaves without protest and with some nice kisses and hugs and we say our 'final goodbyes. ' She had tears in her eyes and I might have had a little myself. She is definitely a good person, I have no doubt but I think it was better to let her go rather than stringing her on for a long time. She is 26 now so not many years before finding a husband might be a real challenge. She walks out the door and from the window I watch her walk away toward Arbat. I was a little concerned that she might stay and stalk me but it seemed she wasn't.

So I send a VK message to my Anna that I have known since summer confirming we were meeting at 21:00 at Old School Pub. She says she wants to stop into her friend's birthday party for a little while and if 22:00 was OK. I agree. It gave me some time to clean up a bit more, get some food, and do some stuff on my computer.

I will give you some background on Anna. I met her back in June. She is about 21 years old and is a medical student studying to be a doctor. She had intrigued me when we had been writing each other online from the very start. She is definitely not beautiful but she had a very cute little body at 168cm and about 47 kilos. When I met her in June she was rather cold and distant (I think I reported that) and we only went out one night. No holding hands, no real kiss. However, there was something I liked about her so I kept her on a back burner instead of dumping her. We became friends on VK and wrote each other occasionally. When I went to Moscow in July she was out of town in her home village. I saw her for dinner during my trips in October and December but they were mostly repeats of the first night with only very slight warming up. Still, I like her look, her youth, and she is interesting (and challenging) so I kept communicating. Back in December she wrote to me and said next time I am in Moscow she wanted to go with me to a 'Rock and Roll Dance Party to dance. ' It seems that in Russia (and other eastern European countries) that just being at a nightclub dancing and having fun is referred to as a 'party. ' I agreed and it was this night, Saturday the 15th we had agreed on.

So I get ready for the night. Nice shoes, jeans, button down shirt. I have plenty of time and the weather is nice so I decide to walk to the Old School Pub and scout out the area in case we want to transition somewhere else. I get to the club at about 21:45 and look around. There is already a decent sized crowd and all the stools at the bar were taken and the tables full except for a few that had 'reserved' signs on them. I get myself a beer and I get a text from Anna that she is waiting on her bill but is real close so would arrive soon.

I use the opportunity to try to talk to a few girls including someone that turns out to be the wife of a very drunk and very friendly Russian guy. He and I strike up a conversation and it is a little annoying because he was so drunk. About this time I notice a very attractive girl looking at me very intently. She was definitely my type. She was young, thin, dark hair, and very pretty. The only 'off' thing was that she was wearing a neck brace. She was staring at me so much I was starting to think she was a pro that had picked me out because I was speaking in English and was obviously a westerner. I didn't approach the girl and after nearly an hour, Anna texts me and says she is on her way and will be two minutes.

I start to head for the front door to greet her and was waiting there. I get another SMS from Anna asking me where I was and I said near the entrance. She had somehow already gotten there and was inside. So I turn to go back in when I see her. She immediately got a big smile on her face and she literally ran to me and gave me a big hug and a nice kiss on the cheek. I was a bit stunned because this greeting was warmer than everything I had gotten from her before in total. She looked great wearing a sexy, lacy, knee length dress with an open back and dropped off the shoulder. It was a good start.

We started talking and I get her a Mojito and me another beer. She tells me she has to go home around 02:00 with her friends which disappoints me but I acknowledge this. I only have 3 hours. Not more than 10 minutes after getting there we move to the dance floor. It was good timing as we were able to get a good spot by the rail where she could hang her purse and we could put our drinks and be in a good spot to dance. We started dancing and she was being much, much more fun, warm and friendly than she had been in previous meetings.

We danced fast, slow, close, touching—all good stuff. I was keeping it conservative because of my previous experience with her but she was definitely inviting attention from me. During the time we were dancing and talking I kept noticing the girl that had been looking at me. She wasn't exactly staring, but definitely looking at me when I caught her eye several times. It was easy to make her out in the crowd because of the neck brace. I had no idea what was going on with her. I would have loved to have her if I wasn't with Anna and she didn't have the neck brace.

In any case, I got Anna and me another drink and she made a comment that I liked drunk girls. I told her I was not pushing the drinks and she shouldn't feel any pressure if she didn't want to. She told me she didn't have to drink to have fun and that she has been known to dance on top of the bar without being drunk. I told her that sounds like fun.

So Anna and I are dancing to almost every song. At one point we stop briefly to talk and then I hear a familiar song start playing and it is like the entire bar almost cheered. The song was Ace of Base's 'All That She Wants. ' I don't know what the deal is with that song but Anna started dancing and it seemed like almost everyone in the club started dancing and singing along with the song. It was bizarre. As the song ended I took advantage of the excitement and I lean in and give Anna the first kiss. She responds well at first and then she pulls back.

She says to me "I don't know how to kiss." I started to get a little concerned because of my experience with Lana (which I might eventually get around to writing about). I responded "yes, of course you do." She responds that she has not kissed anyone in two years (which I know is when she broke up with the guy she thought she was going to marry). I thought to myself, fuck me, am I really dealing with such an inexperienced girl? It certainly explained a lot of her coldness and distance but she was acting different tonight. I am not sure what created the change. I told her "Don't worry about it. Relax and have fun. I am not in a hurry."

So we continue to dance, and talk, and get close. We kiss more. While dancing at one point I run my hand up the outside of her thigh and because of our movements in dancing end up going high enough to discover she is wearing thigh highs under that dress when I get a nice feel of her bare hip. He eyes get real big but I remove my hand quickly and we move on as we were. It is funny, this is the 3rd girl that acted shy and conservative that I have discovered wearing thigh highs instead of pantyhose. Thigh highs are almost completely unheard of anymore in the USA outside the bedroom or strip club. It is a nice treat in Russia whether it is intended to be sexy or if it is purely utilitarian.

After dancing some more we pause for a few moments and she said she needed a cigarette. This is a surprise as she previously indicated she didn't smoke at all. I said OK wait a minute. I go to the coat check room and get a pack of cigarettes out of my coat. I had been a smoking fiend with Kori, Sveta, and Nadya and had a half a pack in my coat. I brought the cigarettes back quickly and Anna was surprised at me. We smoke together and we dance more and we started to kiss more. I took every opportunity I thought appropriate to kiss her and soon we were basically doing some light making out at the edge of the dance floor between dancing. She was a fast learner.

So 02:00 in the morning was fast approaching and Anna started getting regular SMS from her friends. She seems frustrated by the frequency but is still being friendly to me.

[b]15-milion people. 15-million fucking people in the Moscow metropolitan area. [/b] I was standing in this crowded bar in the middle of Moscow, Anna was busy on her phone, and without warning Olga, the girl that left my apartment earlier that day quickly walks past me and taps me on the shoulder and keeps walking. I am stunned. Anna apparently did not notice this happened (or didn't mention it) and she said she had to go. So I escort her to the coat room. They get her coat first and while I was waiting for mine she again said she had to go, gave me a quick kiss, and moved out the door quickly.

I wondered did she actually see the exchange? There wasn't much to it—at least nothing to get upset about, but she was really rather brusque in her departure. I got my coat and went out after her but she was already well down the road. I caught my breath and smoked a cigarette. I then looked at my phone for the first time that night and see several SMS messages from Olga. The last one was from an hour earlier and she didn't mention the bar at all. So I called her and asked her where she was. She said inside and I told her I was outside.

A few moments later she walked out without a coat and with a drink in her hand. I had never seen her drink before (out of maybe 15 nights I was with her) and she was clearly a little drunk. I ask her how did she get there. She said her best friend (who I had never met) saw me in the bar, heard me speaking English, and recognized me from the pictures that she had shown her and texted her. I don't know what the exchange was, but Olga said she suggested she come to the bar and get drunk. I took my coat off and wrapped it around Olga as we talked and after a little bit, we went inside again. I drank the rest of her drink (which was strong as fuck) and we danced to a few songs. Then Olga asked if we could go back to my place. I said OK.

We then walked over to where her friend was—guess who? Yeah, it was the girl with the neck brace that had been watching me all night. Olga talked to her for a moment and then we left. It was probably 03:00 and I told Olga she could go home with me but she had to leave by 10:00 in the morning. She agreed. We took a taxi home and 15 minutes later we were having sex with no mention of condoms at all. I came inside her a couple of times and then we went to sleep. I didn't go down on her and when I woke her up in the morning I was not particularly affectionate but we had sex again. After fucking her, I told her it was 09:30 and I needed to meet a friend so she had to go. She got dressed, we said goodbyes, and she left.

After a week of negotiations (I think that is the best word) I had made plans to see my other A girl at noon. I wasn't sure what was going on with her as she had always been eager to see me before. Before this trip we had lunch 3 times, gone to 2 museum exhibits, had dinner, and spent the night in my apartment with a lot of play but not sex. In any case, we had plans to see a museum exhibit then go to lunch. She said she could see me until 16:00 but she would see me later in the week if I had time.

So we meet and she drives us to the exhibit. She seems very happy to see me and is being warm and affectionate but not her normal happy and lively self. I asked her if everything was OK and she assured me all was OK. So we got done with the exhibit and were discussing lunch and she said something to me that suggested she was intending to stay with me later than 16:00. I told her that she said she was only free to 16:00 and she acknowledged this but said she could stay with me. I told her I had already made plans but I could change them. She told me not to change them but then she said 'if we only have 2 hours, maybe we should go back to your place now? ' This was from a girl I had never had sex with before.

I agreed and we go back to my place. Within 15 minutes we are on my bed getting undressed, kissing, I go down on her and we spend the next two hours fucking. She is a hot little thing and is my #2 favorite of the 8 girls I have been with in Russia. She is tiny at probably 42 kilos, tight, and very active in bed. She responds wonderfully to me going down on her and was open to as much as I could give her. There was not even the slightest hint about using a condom and no seeming concern when I came in her twice (I think she would have easily gotten more out of me if it was not for my activity with Olga).

So 16:00 comes and she initiated leaving. I would have happily stayed with her all night but I liked that we could just fuck and her leave with no question and no sentimentality. She gave me the greatest fucking goodbye kiss. I really like this girl.

I sent an SMS to Anastasiya confirming our 19:00 dinner. I clean up the apartment a little, get ready, and head out to the restaurant. We had a good dinner, Anastasiya ordered two glasses of wine and I had beer, and we both had steaks. After being there for a while, Jake came in to the room to say hello (we had arranged this) and then Anastasiya and I headed back to my place where we spent the next couple of hours in bed. I was getting worn out. After we had some fun, she said she had to work in the morning so should go home. What a perfect end to the day!

The picture is Olga before our first goodbye.

End of the Twilight Zone weekend.

I stayed at the Cosmos hotel last week, not much by choice than because of location, choice of girls similar as before, I stay at the Cosmos at least once a year because for business. As the girls charge in US Dollars, not withstanding the drop in the rouble, they are still charging US$220 for 1 hour but it is more like 1 fuck because the girls rarely stay for the full hour.

I did not bother visiting the strip club, partly because normally there are very few guys and the girls can be very pushy, and they do not take no for an answer.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1544571]I don't know what they were saying to each other in Russian (Nadya told me Kori used a lot of slang and I could hardly understand anything she said) but Kori told me in English in front of Sveta that she thinks I should go out with Sveta. There was some protest from Sveta but she was smiling and being friendly so I guess they had discussed this.[/QUOTE]

The best thing about Russian women, is their Russian girlfriends. :)


[QUOTE]*I want to make a quick aside here. I have had sex with a total of 9 different girls in Russia, all 'freebies' and I think Olga is the only one of them that has given me a blowjob. It is possible that I am forgetting one, but I can't remember it. I do wonder about other guy's experience and if this is normal. Do you have to actually request or demand it? It has always just been a part of sexual activity with me with non Russian girls. Maybe it is just a fluke*[/QUOTE]

It seems to me BJ's are pretty much de rigueur nowadays, particularly for working girls. Could be simply the kind of girls you are meeting; from out side Moscow, some of whom, from what you are saying, seem to be fairly inexperienced with men.

[QUOTE]So Anna and I are dancing to almost every song. At one point we stop briefly to talk and then I hear a familiar song start playing and it is like the entire bar almost cheered. The song was Ace of Base's 'All That She Wants. ' I don't know what the deal is with that song but Anna started dancing and it seemed like almost everyone in the club started dancing and singing along with the song. It was bizarre.[/QUOTE]

Classical Reference: Ace of Base, Swedish pop/rock group from the 90's. Very popular with Russians, for some reason, not sure why. Just one of those quirky cultural anomalies, like why does everyone in world know the lyrics to, "Hotel California"? You might want to get a copy of their "greatest hits" and start listening to it, it could come in handy.


[QUOTE]15-million people. 15-million fucking people in the Moscow metropolitan area. I was standing in this crowded bar in the middle of Moscow, Anna was busy on her phone, and without warning Olga, the girl that left my apartment earlier that day quickly walks past me and taps me on the shoulder and keeps walking. I am stunned.[/QUOTE]

I used to think the same thing about New York City, how many millions of people live there? And yet I was constantly running into people I knew, but it was usually in mid-town Manhattan, the center of town. So in a popular night club, in the center of Moscow, on a Saturday night, it's not really that strange. Particularly since it seems you have acquired a certain amout of celebrity in Moscow; people are recognizing you on sight! You could chalk it up to the power of social media. Not sure if that's a good thing, or bad.


Thanks for your excellent detailed reports. I hope you are still planning on giving us your breakdown of costs and expenses.

You ol' heartbreaker, you... ;)

I slept well on Sunday night and woke up on Monday morning refreshed.)

I had lunch scheduled with Masha at 13:00 and dinner scheduled with my old Anna at 19:00. A nice relaxed schedule. I clean up the apartment and change the sheets and wash the towels because I was hoping Anna would go home with me this night. I do some grocery shopping and get some wine for the apartment.

At 12:00 I SMS Masha to confirm our 13:00 meeting and she asks if we could meet at 15:00 because she could leave work then and have more time with me. I agreed but told her I had a business dinner planned for the evening.

So Masha and I end up meeting at Smolenskaya (my neighborhood) at 15:30. We go to a café and have cheesecake and coffee then we go for a walk together. It is a little cold and I ask her if she wants to go to my place to talk. We head there and she is impressed with the apartment. We talk a little and started kissing and touching and getting pretty into it. I had plans with Anna at 20:00 so around 18:30 I tell her I would love to stay with her but I have my business dinner. I think she was profoundly shocked but she left with not much protest.

I was betting on a long shot that I was going to get Anna that night and giving up what I saw as a sure thing on that bet. In any case, I took a quick shower and got dressed again and started my walk to Red Square to meet Anna. After the incredible weekend I felt like a fucking bull and I had all the confidence in the world. We meet and then walk to Chesterfield's arriving around 21:00. I know it was a Monday night but it was completely dead. Back in July I went here with Diana and Katya on a Monday night and it had a live band and was hopping.

Anna said she wasn't hungry and didn't want to drink so we both had cappuccino. We talked for two hours and kissed and were close but when I mentioned going back to my place she froze up very quickly. Wow, it was harsh. It was especially harsh because I had just a few hours earlier turned down a first time sure thing to be there. I was bummed. So not only were we not going back to my place, we weren't even kissing any more. After a little while of coldness she said she was tired and should go home. I walk her to the metro, she gives me a nice kiss goodbye, and was on her way.

I send Jake an SMS asking if he wanted to meet for a drink or six and then headed his direction. Enrout I got a few SMS messages from Masha and thought it was possible we could meet again that night, but it didn't work out. I met Jake, we had a few drinks until he had to go home. Before he left he had exchanged some words with this woman sitting at the bar. She was probably in her 40s and a bit heavy, but after Jake left she started talking to me in very broken English. She asked very bluntly if I wanted to take her back to my place. I assumed she was 'working' and I said no as I was meeting friends. I asked Jake by SMS and he told me she was a semi-pro. Although she was not someone I would go with, it was fun to have my first semi-pro encounter.

Jake had suggested I go to Papa's Place as they were having countdown night so I started to walk that direction. I was walking on Tverskaya street toward the center and while walking I passed Night Flight. I had not known where it was, so it was fun passing the famous place while walking. If I were dressed better I would have gone inside.

In any case, I found Papa's Place (not an easy task if you don't know where it is and you are a little drunk) , and went inside. It was not crowded at all but there were maybe 50-60 people there and over half were girls. Most of the people were very young college types, but there were a couple that were a little older. I think I was the oldest in the club, but I think I looked better than a lot of the guys anyway.

Through the next few hours I talked to some girls and guys and danced a little. I bought a couple of drinks and got some closeness but nothing real promising. I did find something that I remember from the bar shooters in Kiev. I had a pack of cigarettes and lighter laying on the bar in front of me. I wasn't really smoking but through the night that pack of cigarettes drew about 10 girls to come up and ask if they could have one. It was an exceptional icebreaker. I don't know what the situation in the bar was that caused such a cigarette crisis, but even if you don't smoke, it is not a bad idea to have cigarettes as a prop if you don't mind smokers.

I was pretty drunk and about 04:00 I walked home alone.

Thus ends Day 10.

Hello!

I am put up in the Azimut Olympic Hotel for the next 40hrs and I don't speak a thread of Russian (English yes!)

Anyone know of an English friendly saloon around here? Or can someone recommend english friendly services.

Been through rusdosug. Com and no joy.

Help will be much appreciated!

[QUOTE=I1629; 1545151]Hello!

I am put up in the Azimut Olympic Hotel for the next 40hrs and I don't speak a thread of Russian (English yes!)

Anyone know of an English friendly saloon around here? Or can someone recommend english friendly services.

Been through rusdosug. Com and no joy.

Help will be much appreciated![/QUOTE]You are very close to a Strip Club called "Showgirls". The concierge can help you find it.

I am not sure if they have onsite sex there anymore or not, but it's a good place to start.

The other thing you might want to do is casually ask the doorman where you can "find girls".

The doorman in any hotel in Moscow is still your most reliable source of girls.

Plus if you get them from him there will be no problems with security.

[QUOTE=I1629; 1545151]Hello!

I am put up in the Azimut Olympic Hotel for the next 40hrs and I don't speak a thread of Russian (English yes!)

Anyone know of an English friendly saloon around here? Or can someone recommend english friendly services.

Been through rusdosug. Com and no joy.

Help will be much appreciated![/QUOTE]You can't go wrong with Olenka. She's a gem-better than advertised. (

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Last week I was in Moscow and not having been to Night Flight for more than a year I thought I would have a look at the place, my first visit to Nightflight was in 1998 and the place has not changed much over the years, however the quality of the girls is nowhere as good, in the good old days there were a mix of pros, semi pros and students, now it seems to be mostly pros.

Prices have also gone up substantially, most girls will ask for $500 although they will all give discount, even if you don't ask for one! I guess they know most guys will not spend that sort of money. One of the girls I met went down as low as $200 but the chemistry was not there, so went back to the hotel on my own as most of the girls just looked like hookers than the sort of girl that you could have a GFE. This was on a Saturday night which is always much quieter than during the week, and maybe the choice of girls is better during weekend.

[QUOTE=Ross123;1546892]Prices have also gone up substantially, most girls will ask for $500[/QUOTE]Which kind of currency are they asking for: rubles, dollars or euros?

Also, what language are they speaking? Used to be they all spoke fairly good English, but some recent reports say that more of the girls there are now speaking only Russian.

[QUOTE=Ross123;1546892]Prices have also gone up substantially, most girls will ask for $500 although they will all give discount, even if you don't ask for one! I guess they know most guys will not spend that sort of money. One of the girls I met went down as low as $200 but the chemistry was not there, so went back to the hotel on my own as most of the girls just looked like hookers than the sort of girl that you could have a GFE. This was on a Saturday night which is always much quieter than during the week, and maybe the choice of girls is better during weekend.[/QUOTE]Was this for 2 hours?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1547066]Which kind of currency are they asking for: rubles, dollars or euros?

Also, what language are they speaking? Used to be they all spoke fairly good English, but some recent reports say that more of the girls there are now speaking only Russian.[/QUOTE]Back in the day, all of the girls (who seemed to be students) all spoke good English. Now, it's basic English at best. It's just not the same. In many ways it's just not as good. True, the girls are mostly hookers. Especially on a weekend. Mid-week you will find the odd semi-pro or amateur who's looking for make some fast money. My personal favorite was the girls from the Provinces (mostly during summer months) who's in Moscow on vacation. Going to NF is just a way of financing the vacation. What I liked about these girls is that they will stay with you all night if you treat them well and promise them breakfast because the alternative is to go back and spend the night on her girlfriend's sofa.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1547066]Which kind of currency are they asking for: rubles, dollars or euros?

Also, what language are they speaking? Used to be they all spoke fairly good English, but some recent reports say that more of the girls there are now speaking only Russian.[/QUOTE]I think they switch between Euros and Dollars depends where you are from the girl I was talking to was looking for US Dollars and most spoke good English, in any case most of the guys there were Europeans, with a few locals.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1547150]Was this for 2 hours?[/QUOTE]I did not ask how long she would stay over as I was not the one pushing the price down, she kept offering a better price, she had her own car so I guess that it would have been a fast one as at that rate. But she did point out that I would also save the rip of rates charged by the taxis outside nightflight, The girl was good looking with an stunning body, but just did not connect, otherwise I would have certainly gone off with her for that rate.

You are the King of Moscow! I really want to visit Moscow and experience 1/10 of what you have. I have been hitting the social sites hard and have had very good luck online. I just need to make it over there and see what happens. If I ever do schedule a trip, I do hope to pick your brain a little. Until then, I will keep living vicariously through your posts.

[QUOTE=Nerd29;1548242]You are the King of Moscow! I really want to visit Moscow and experience 1/10 of what you have. I have been hitting the social sites hard and have had very good luck online. I just need to make it over there and see what happens. If I ever do schedule a trip, I do hope to pick your brain a little. Until then, I will keep living vicariously through your posts.[/QUOTE]Thanks Nerd, I really appreciate it but I am nothing special. Just a little hard work. I am happy to answer questions.

Last Few Days

This is the last few days. I am still going to post my cost details and preparation details. I am returning to Moscow for my 6th trip next week.

My second A girl (the one that suggested we go to my place on Sunday, for the purposes of making things easier for me I will call her Ariel) and I had plans to spend the day and evening together on Tuesday. We were going to meet for a late lunch and then go from there. I woke up at about 1300 and found that I had an SMS from her cancelling the evening. I sent her a response asking what was wrong. Well, to make a long story short, it turns out she suffers from some clinical depression issues. She was having a bad day and called off from work. Apparently she had done this a lot in the last few weeks and had not told me about it. I knew she seemed not her normal self on Sunday, but I didn't consider this.

Well, I convinced her to see me and that she wouldn't even have to talk if she didn't want to. I would keep her company and take care of her. She finally agreed and we met at 1600. I took her to the same museum exhibit I did on Sunday which she loved and we spent about 5 hours there just listening to music and watching the video presentation. She leaned against me and held me much of the time. We went to dinner where she was almost completely silent. From there I took her back to my place. After 7 hours of almost complete silence I didn't have much hope for the evening except maybe just some affection and general cuddling.

Once we got to my place she immediately started to be very affectionate, and within 15-20 minutes we were in bed fucking like Iceberg's rabbits with her legs over my shoulders and everything else (except a blowjob!). We were at it a couple of hours. Again, there was not even a hint about using a condom. She is interesting, attractive, has a sweet little body, looks like she is 19 (she is 25), doesn’t ask for anything except basic entertainment and attention, and speaks English pretty well. Her only drawback is that she smokes a lot. This girl simply turns me on. It was definitely some of the best sex I have had. Afterward we drifted off to sleep.

We woke up in the morning and she said she should go to work. I asked her if she could stay with me that night, and she said yes—that she really wanted to. During the day I had lunch with another girl. Her name was Svetlana (yeah, another fucking Svetlana). She was tall and thin with a great body and a decent face. She was of Mongolian decent so she looked somewhat Asian but her body looked more Slavic. We had a pleasant lunch. She was very conservative but nice enough so I added her on VK and we said maybe we would see each other again.

During the day Ariel and I texted some and we discussed going to the movies (there is a theatre that play first run movies in English with Russian subtitles). Because of her schedule the movies did not work out so we just had dinner at a inexpensive (for Moscow) café and went back to my place. Again we had really good sex and she was very vocal and very fun and we must have been at it for at least two hours. Afterward we got out of bed and showered and went to smoke. At that point she mentally crashed and started being in a depressed state. It was a strange transformation. In any case, we went to bed and her depressed state lasted over night.

In the morning she said she didn't want to go to work and asked if she could stay with me. I said no problem but needed to meet my colleague for a wrap up meeting for a couple of hours in the afternoon. She was very pleased to be able to stay with me.

I sent and SMS to Masha telling her I couldn't see her that day (she was very unhappy) and I sent an SMS to Anna confirming our lunch plans. Anna and I met at around 1300 for maybe 2 hours and had a nice lunch together. We kissed some and sat very close. I then walked her to the metro and I walked back to the apartment.

I found Ariel there waiting for me in bed. She was feeling better. We didn't have sex but we fooled around some and then we went to a late lunch and to the movie we missed the night before. Afterward we worked on a work project she had (she had some questions about some stuff in English and I volunteered to help). We went to dinner and when we got back she said she wanted to shower. I started to go in with her and she refused. I wasn't sure what was going on but to make a long story short, it turned out she had started her period that day. We talked about it and I convinced her I was cool about it. So she relaxed and again we had some great sex and got blood everywhere. She freaked out when we turned the bigger light on but it was funny as hell to me. I convinced her it was totally cool and she relaxed again. I do really like this girl.

After we cleaned up and changed the sheets we went to bed and she was very actively making out with me again. I thought she wanted more but she said she didn't want to get bloody again. So we just made out for a while and went to sleep.

In the morning we woke up and she needed to go to work and I needed to catch my flight. We started kissing when we woke up and she asked me if I wanted to get a little bloody. She is a cool girl!)) So we had a rather quick session and we went to shower together. She let me wash her body and I was soaping up her ass she seemed to like it so I started fingering her asshole and she seemed into it. I was as hard as I could get and pulled her to me thinking maybe I could get some shower anal but she stopped me and said maybe we could try that next time. This was cool because it meant she wanted a next time.

In any case we finished up, got dressed, and straightened up the apartment a little. It was time to go so we grabbed our stuff and she drove me to the station to catch the aeroexpress to the airport. I gave her a quick kiss at the curb and she drove off. I caught my train and my flight and that ends trip #5 to Moscow.

Pic of me and Anna and one of her I did not take. Three of "Ariel." You can see how small she is (although a little of that is perspective she is only 42 kilos compared to my 94 kilos). One of Svetlana I did not take.

Amazing stuff Yummy, but for all your success, you seem to have rotten luck with blow jobs!

In my experience you simply have to ask for it, or better still demand it.

Just stick your dick in her mouth, she knows what to do and expects to have to do it.

Plus Ariel having her period was the perfect opportunity to propose oral treatment.

[QUOTE]I woke up at about 1300 ... [/QUOTE]
Not a bad schedule, for a biznessman... :)


[QUOTE]Her name was Svetlana (yeah, another fucking Svetlana).[/QUOTE]
You need to do as the Russians do; use the patronymic. So there is Svetlana Ivanova, Svetlana Vladimirovna, Svetlana Pavlovna, etc. Helps you to keep them separate and prevents them all from becoming a big blur.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1548674]Not a bad schedule, for a biznessman. :)[/QUOTE]Well it is easy when you are sleeping alone. Unless they are spending the night with me they don't know when I wake up or go to sleep.

Yummy,
I am afraid one day one of the girls encounters the other just in front of your apartment's entrance and you will have to explain everything like it happens in Romanthic comedies!

Joking apart, I really appreciate your success in Moscow.

Underappreciated 7's are great source in Moscow so that shows the importance of figuring out the right strategy in the right city.

Have fun!

Note:I will hit NRW Germany next Friday and hope not to be affected of line up because of approaching Easter and recovered till Friday because I have flu.

Regards.

"Underappreciated 7's"

Ah, well, how to put it, the one's I've seen photos of are 5's at best, and that's presuming the camera isn't overly sympathetic to them.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1549839]"Underappreciated 7's"

Ah, well, how to put it, the one's I've seen photos of are 5's at best, and that's presuming the camera isn't overly sympathetic to them.[/QUOTE]Everybody's a critic...

I don't recall seeing any of your pics here, or any reports either, Mr. Skweegiman. :p

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis; 1549839]"Underappreciated 7's"

Ah, well, how to put it, the one's I've seen photos of are 5's at best, and that's presuming the camera isn't overly sympathetic to them.[/QUOTE]Looks are certainly subjective, but distribution is on a bell curve. If 5. 5 is the middle "average," then I think 7 is about right. Unless you are living in some mythic land of unsurpassed beauty (it isn't any country I have visited and I have been to more than 60) , most of the girls I was with easily qualify as a 7.

9's and 10's are "model" quality. Mariya Sharphova is an 8 strictly in the looks department (she's pretty, but not beautiful).

That standard setting the height of the bar, all of the girls in the photos are in the 5 range, again depending on how kind the camera has been to them.

And then many, many Russian girls you spy at the malls and on the streets which terrific looks but not model quality looks are 7s and 8s.

Or, to put it another way, if we all agree Natasha Poly is a 10, then there isn't any way the girls in those photos are 7s, since they in no

Way compare to all the girls we have to lump behind Natasha Poly in the looks department (the 7s. 8s, and 9s).

Besides, everyone on this list exaggerates how attractive their conquests are. You get to know them and if you like them you boost their.

Ranking. Human nature. My scale is based purely on looks. Not on personality.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1549999]Looks are certainly subjective, but distribution is on a bell curve. If 5. 5 is the middle "average," then I think 7 is about right. Unless you are living in some mythic land of unsurpassed beauty (it isn't any country I have visited and I have been to more than 60) , most of the girls I was with easily qualify as a 7.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with yummy on this. I think even on your scale skwisk his girls would be 7's. What you have done skwisk is to take one of the most attractive Russian women (a 1 in 100k girl) and ranked her 10 and then ranked everyone else in comparison to this. On any scale of 1-10 10 should contain 3-5 percent of girls that would include most models (although some aren't very attractive anyway) and a lot of the most attractive girls you see in the street. The scale then works down appropriately. In this context yummy's girls are certainly 7's.

Yummy thankyou for your reports I for one enjoy reading them and am impressed how well you do especially as you don't speak much Russian). Yet)

Skwisk. When you do post some reports and photos of the girls you meet in Russia I am sure I will enjoy these as well as it seems you will have some stunning girls on there. Please don't think this is sarcastic. It isn't. I would love to read some of your reports.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1550027]Or, to put it another way, if we all agree Natasha Poly is a 10, then there isn't any way the girls in those photos are 7s, since they in no[/QUOTE]

Once upon a time I visited Moscow and made arrangements to meet with a girl there (she was from a Russian village, not in the Moscow area). Let's call her "Natasha." I won't give her real name or the real names of her home or region, as it would be possible to find photos of her and she's married now to a powerful regional oligarch. Well at least that's how he's considered in his own bailiwick. We all know how people exaggerate, don't we? Anyway, the day I arrived and met Natasha the apartment wasn't ready and we spent a few hours killing time in a cafe. She told me this story. When she was growing up, everyone in her family complimented her on her looks. Her family is an old family in this region, and renowned for the beautify of its women, and everyone agreed she was the best looking ever. Throughout her schooling, at all levels, she entered and won beauty contests. She won the beauty contest at the university. She won the beauty contest in her district and then another in her region. Finally, she went to Moscow and entered in the Miss Russia beauty contest. On the very first day she walked out onto the stage and all of the judges turned and looked at each other with the same thought. Finally, one of them said what they were all thinking: "Why is she here, she's not very pretty."

To find my "reports," you need to visit the St Petersburg thread.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1550181]Finally, she went to Moscow and entered in the Miss Russia beauty contest. On the very first day she walked out onto the stage and all of the judges turned and looked at each other with the same thought. Finally, one of them said what they were all thinking: "Why is she here, she's not very pretty."[/QUOTE]Ha ha, good anecdote.

I've lived in Moscow for 3 years now. Before that, I travelled in and out of Moscow on business since 2005. I remember my first visit back in 2005 and how my jaw dropped at the beauty of the girls here. But without a word of a lie, over the past 12 months (maybe more) I cannot remember seeing a girl in Moscow either on the streets or in the bars and restaurants that can compare with the ones I saw on my early trips. And I often struggle to explain this phenomenon. Have beautiful girls just become so commonplace to me that I am immune to their looks? Or have the really strikingly beautiful ones just disappeared from public view? I can't remember the last time I saw a woman in Moscow who made me sit back in amazement at her beauty. Of course, now that I am living here it's possible that I don't spend as much time in THOSE kinds of bar and restaurants that attract this type of girl, but I don't think so. I suppose I might just be getting used to it and now, rather than standing back in amazement, I am looking for the flaws right away. Who knows?

By the way.

I cannot confirm this news first hand, but I have heard from a very reliable source that "Club Che" has CLOSED!

A moment of silence please.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1550295]By the way.

I cannot confirm this news first hand, but I have heard from a very reliable source that "Club Che" has CLOSED!

A moment of silence please.[/QUOTE]I concur with Jake, I was planning to go there this weekend, since I'm in Moscow and is always fun there.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1550295]A moment of silence please.[/QUOTE]So, Jake, who do you think will assume the mantle of the go-to place for picking up dyeffki? Will it be Old School Pub?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1550502]So, Jake, who do you think will assume the mantle of the go-to place for picking up dyeffki? Will it be Old School Pub?[/QUOTE]OSP is definitely a worthy potential successor. However, upon further investigation, I have heard that Club Che will reopen later this year. What is not clear at this point is whether it will be in the same location or a new location. Apparently, there were some problems with the building, landlord, etc. Usual situation for a club in Moscow.

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1550294]Ha ha, good anecdote.

I cannot remember seeing a girl in Moscow either on the streets or in the bars and restaurants that can compare with the ones I saw on my early trips. And I often struggle to explain this phenomenon. Have beautiful girls just become so commonplace to me that I am immune to their looks? Or have the really strikingly beautiful ones just disappeared from public view.[/QUOTE]I reckon that some of these factors may be involved (in addition to others) :

1. There was a massive baby boom during perestroika. (This was partly a consequence of the social atmosphere, but to a significant extent a demographic echo of the baby boom after World War II, which keeps repeating itself every 20 or so years.) After the USSR collapsed in 1991 there was a dramatic fall in births. So there are fewer 18-25 year olds coming on stream now.

2. There has been an incredible beauty drain. The number of Russian women married off, involved in labour migration, working as prostitutes etc. All over the world is astounding. In the US, in most Latin American capitals, in many Asian capitals there are Russian working girls, wives, professionals.

3. Russian men are gradually getting their act together, drinking (a bit) less, smoking (a bit) less and so on. They have also become (a lot) wealthier. And they are scooping up attractive girls as girlfriends, wives, employees and thus those women end up off the streets and out of the bars (taking care of babies, jobs, on holiday etc.).

4. People in Russia got wealthier and their eating habits changed, so they are less slim, and thus there are fewer slim beautiful women around (as is the case in most of the world).

5. There is a lack of labour in Russia, and it is getting worse. Thus there are more non-prostitution jobs available.

Now the really interesting question is whether all these trends are going to come together and cause some kind of flip over in gender interaction in Russia when some or other threshold is crossed. Openness towards opportunities for sexual and romantic interaction with men has been ingrained in Russian women, because there were so few attractive men available, and because this had lasted for such a long time (at least since the deficit after World War II) that it had become amplified by cultural attitudes. But at some point Russian women and men are going to realize that the tables have turned. The men are going to start getting their act together and making a greater effort. Being sought after tends to make people arrogant, so the women may become more aloof. Once those processes start, they could reinforce each other and the situation could spiral rapidly.

Personally I think this is already happening, and Russia's is deteriorating as a destination for meeting women faster than people realize. Yes there is still fun to be had, especially if you are good looking and / or speak Russian and / or go to the provinces. But I am not sure how long that is going to last.

On the other hand, if you are into MILFs, it may stay good. There is a whole generation of women that never really had much sexual or romantic choice and may remain desperate for ever. But they are now 30 or so and up, and they are not going to get younger.

[QUOTE=Cucumber; 1550867]I reckon that some of these factors may be involved (in addition to others) :

1. There was a massive baby boom during perestroika. (This was partly a consequence of the social atmosphere, but to a significant extent a demographic echo of the baby boom after World War II, which keeps repeating itself every 20 or so years.) After the USSR collapsed in 1991 there was a dramatic fall in births. So there are fewer 18-25 year olds coming on stream now.

2. There has been an incredible beauty drain. The number of Russian women married off, involved in labour migration, working as prostitutes etc. All over the world is astounding. In the US, in most Latin American capitals, in many Asian capitals there are Russian working girls, wives, professionals.

3. Russian men are gradually getting their act together, drinking (a bit) less, smoking (a bit) less and so on. They have also become (a lot) wealthier. And they are scooping up attractive girls as girlfriends, wives, employees and thus those women end up off the streets and out of the bars (taking care of babies, jobs, on holiday etc.)...[/QUOTE]This is a very insightful post. I am big fan of Russian females.

Beginning of spring and I decided to pay a visit to Moscow to keep my network with devushkas alive. I have kept some contacts from my last visit in Moscow, even the guy who rented me out a nice apartment near Belorusskaya, which is really convenient when you take the aeroexpress early in the morning, I got good discount for a nice apartment near that station again. I texted some girls even semi pros, but they were busy for the weekend, not good for me, but also I have another girl who is fun to meet, so talked with her to meet up in town, which she agreed. First of all I got a lunch at Torro grill, nice resto, nice food and nice girls. After lunch I decided to stay at the bar, drinking white Russians, suddenly the bar was full of persons, mostly girls that want to chat with their friends and drink as well. I talked with some of them, but lack of Russians was a barrier. I waited there until my engagement with Masha, after so many white Russians I was a bit drunk, she called me to tell me she will be at Tverskaya at 9.00, so I left and took the metro, meet her chat a bit and head towards to a place where supposed to meet another group of expats, I'm not very keen to meet expats but this time I made an exception. The place was empty and look boring, so Masha suggested me to go somewhere, but not luck as well. She was a bit sick and told me to hang out another day, I hadn't a contingency plan. I thought a bit and head towards Papas places, it was early and I was a bit disappointed. I got Papas and get inside, full of youngsters, not my favorite place but for a couple of drinks I said I will be ok. I drank a bit suddenly a Russian approached to me speaking in Russian and wanted to dance with me, I said I don't dance but she wanted to stay with me talking, she was 19 yo from Russia nice girl, after some drinks we were dancing together, it was fun, she was together with some friends, which were not able to speak any word of English, so I step aside. More shots of whisky and a blond petite girl approached to me for dancing (What the hell happened that night) , she was beautiful, we danced together but she didn't speak any English, I used my smartphone but it didn't get internet, still she was talking to me in Russian while I tried to grab her and kiss without luck, she was a bit crazy, suddenly she disappeared. I said to myself I'm tired and the petite girl doesn't understand me, so I go home. I looked to my watch and I got 3 sms from a semi pro I met in December Sasha, she told she wanted to meet me and ask me if I would like also, I started a thread os sms back and forth, I told her we could meet at Lubianka metro station and then go to my place. I was still at Papas and the petite girl appeared again, she gave me her phone number I said I will call her and I left. I went to meet Sasha at the metro station, she was in a taxi and lost. When she got out the taxi I saw another girl, she told me she have texted me on behalf of Sasha, her name Katrina. I said it's ok, the girl was beautiful as well and we went to home. I was wrong the girl was hot, nice tits and nice body, she was a mix of Georgian and Russian, good English and she did a good blowjob, we both were tired so I said is ok for tonight and I said to her if she had time for Saturday afternoon, she said she will be free. Saturday I woke up late, so I missed a meeting with one girl 23 yo. I called her invented an excuse, she was pissed but hopefully we will meet another time. I called Katrina to make sure she will come to my place she texted me back confirming our appointment and suggested me to buy some drinks. We met at night and spend three hours with her, good sex included anal, which it was a surprise to me, because Saturday morning she didn't want to any finger in her ass, but she changed her mind, good for me. That was Moscow for short getaway, I promised myself to go in May when Moscow will be more sunny. Still devushkas are my favourites, they are so feminine and that drive me crazy every time I visit Russia.

I called and was looking forward to this:

[url]http://ilona-moscow.escort-site.com/photos.phtml[/url]

Instead, they sent the house pig. Said I would get a 50% discount.

Wasn't even close to the photos.

[QUOTE=Cucumber; 1550867]I reckon that some of these factors may be involved (in addition to others) :

On the other hand, if you are into MILFs, it may stay good. There is a whole generation of women that never really had much sexual or romantic choice and may remain desperate for ever. But they are now 30 or so and up, and they are not going to get younger.[/QUOTE]Cucumber,

Good analysis. I have to agree with you about the 30 year olds. Like it or not, they are the prime pickings. I find that the 20 somethings are a pain-in-the-ass. Their attitudes have disintegrated and I don't have the energy to put up with their BS anymore. But, maybe that's just me getting old. I find that the 30 somethings have the blend of looks, experience and attitude that I find so charming about Russian women. And there is no shortage of available, willing and able 30 somethings in Moscow!

YummyPL,

Just read all of your reports in "one hit".

Well done, sir! Inspirational stuff. Makes me want to get on a plane tomorrow!

Thanks for taking the time to share with the forum. Look forward to your breakdown of costs!

Cheers,

AX

Jorge Rad10,

Sounds Great.

Congratulations

Strav asked me to write a little bit about my planning and methodology for meeting my 'freebies. '

First, I will say that I use a dating website with paid subscriptions. It is not inexpensive but as my friend described it, it is a 'goldmine' of women. ' Two other notes is that the website does not charge the women so there are a lot of flakes. Second, the website shares its database across several websites (I know of at least 4) and the website the girls go to is likely to be called something different than the one you go to.

I have built a profile for myself that has 4 pictures. One formal, one casual, one of me at the pool to show my body, and one with my horses. I have chosen pictures that I think show off my best features but that are easily recognizable as me. I am not a handsome or pretty guy, I don't look young, but I have a good body for my age. I actually write very little about myself in my profile. I don't mention my drinking or smoking habits as I adjust those to the girls I am seeing. I say that I am 42 but I am 46. I have been considering changing it to 39 as I think it would make a difference, but I look older than that.

On the website there are thousands of active girls that would meet my general requirements. I used to contact girls from all over, but I have decided to generally stick to Moscow as the ones I get from there are more than enough to keep me busy. In actuality, I wish I had stuck to Ukraine instead of coming to Moscow, and I might go back there if I stop seeing 'Ariel. ' In reality, I think Ukraine is MUCH easier than Russia if all you want is sex.

Over the last year being at that site, I have 'spammed' about 2000 girls with a general cut and paste message. There have only been a very few that I have customized the message for. The one customization I do is that I address all of them by name. I have tried variations on the message and made changes based on response rates and reactions. I contact girls from 18-35 but 95% are below 30 and I would guess 70% are below 26. I contact very few blondes. Over the last 6 months I have generally choosing girls that say they drink although only one of the girls I have met directly from the site did much drinking. I also don't contact girls unless the age range they are looking for is at least 35.

Looking at my messages I would say I get about a 20% initial response rate from my spam. After the initial response, I get about half writing a little longer and then I look for specific types of interests and responses. If the girl only responds to questions and does not ask her own questions, then I drop them pretty quickly. It is clear they are not that interested. Of the 2000 I have spammed, I have engaged in regular written conversation with about 50. Of those 50 I have met about 20 in person. Of those 20 in person meetings, I have fucked 7 and gotten referrals for 2 more that I have fucked.

I like to contact girls new to the site, and recently I have been contacting girls closer to when I arrive in Moscow. When I first met 'Ariel, ' I had had contacted her the day before on her first day on the site, and told her I was in Moscow right then. Girls are flakey. I think it is good not to write a very long time before meeting. I also tend to make first contact in Russian.

I also have stock responses to MANY questions now and will cut and paste to save time. I have a few 'interesting stories' that I can customize to the girl that really get them going. One story I consistently tell is that I just helped a friend deliver puppies and go into some of the details. It is a killer story and even with girls that don't seem particularly interested, I get renewed interest.

In the 4 months before I first went to Moscow, I would guess that I spent 400-500 hours on the site and writing to different girls. It was a lot of work. Since then I have spent much less time and now I am rarely on the site. I would guess that since August I have spent maybe 150 hours writing to girls. The initial investment was important to learn. Now I have not been on the site since the end of January. I communicate with my girls off the site and probably spend about 10 hours a week doing that. Right now I am actively working 5 girls and keeping 3 on the back burner with occasional contact.

That's all for now. I am happy to answer almost any question you have here except the name of the specific site I use. Just do an internet search. There are plenty of sites out there.

Sunday 9 FEB

$20 Groceries for the apartment.

$240 Dinner with Anistasiya.

Monday 10 FEB

$30 Lunch with Oksana

$160 Kori round trip plane ticket from Samara.

$50 Beers at John Bull Pub.

$40 Groceries for the apartment.

Tuesday 11 FEB

$50 Dinner with Anna

$15 Taxi fare for Anna

$20 round trip taxi for me.

Wednesday 12 FEB

$40 Dinner with Masha

$20 Beer for apartment

Thursday 13 FEB

$50 Dinner with Svetlana.

Friday 14 FEB

$50 spending for Kori

$20 roses for Masha

$60 Dinner with Masha

$10 Taxi for Masha

$30 Food for Apartment

Saturday 15 FEB

$50 Old School pub with Anna.

$20 Taxi Home

Sunday 16 FEB

$30 Exhibition with Ariel.

$60 Lunch with Ariel

$130 Dinner with Anastasiya.

Monday 17 FEB

$50 Groceries and Wine

$30 Café with Masha

$20 Cappuccinos with Anna.

$80 Dinner and drinks for myself (no girl except socializing)

Tuesday 18 FEB

$30 Exhibition with Ariel.

$80 Dinner and refreshments with Ariel.

Wednesday 19 FEB

$60 Lunch with Svetlana

$40 Dinner with Ariel

Thursday 20 FEB

$60 Lunch with Anna

$30 Lunch (again) with Ariel.

$40 Movie and snacks with Ariel.

$40 Light dinner with Ariel.

$3, 947

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1553566]Girls are flakey. [/QUOTE]Yeah, isn't it great! :)


Thanks for the excellent breakdown of your effort to find and meet Russian women.

So you contacted 2,000 women online, and of those, 2.5% responded on a regular basis. You met 1% in person and you ended up having sex with .45% (including referrals).

This required a minimum initial investment of 600 hours of your time (450+150) online, probably more, plus the on-going investment of time to maintain these relationships. This doesn't count the time, and expense, of traveling to Russia several times.

There is an age-old debate about "freebies" vs. paid sex. I think those of us who have been mongering for a while understand that, aside from a brief period in the summer of 1967, there is no such thing as free sex. All sex is paid for, it's just a question of which currency you want to use. In your case you chose to spend your time and save on your cash money.

It's easy to think that our time is "free", but if you were to assign even a nominal value to your hundreds of hours of time, say the minimum wage, divided by the total number of girls and taking into account the fucks-per-girl, the cost of your approach is about the same as going to one of the clubs in Moscow that have on-site sex and taking a girl to one of the rooms. And it is significantly more expensive than meeting dyeffki through one of the online escort/massage sites in Moscow.

But then, those alternatives would not be anywhere nearly as much fun as the path you have chosen. :)


Curious about the Ukraine... have you been there? Why do you think it is easier to find sex there, than in Russia?

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1553566]I am happy to answer almost any question you have here except the name of the specific site I use. Just do an internet search. There are plenty of sites out there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I was curious about this last point cause I have asked this question (which dating sites) before from one or two mongers and received no response. Is it simply because of the ISG forum rules you don't want to share the names or is it because there are differences in quality of different websites and girls and you don't want to reveal the good sources? . Would I be equally lucky if I used any of the main dating sites?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1553587]Curious about the Ukraine. have you been there? Why do you think it is easier to find sex there, than in Russia?[/QUOTE]Strav,

If I may be so bold as to attempt a response for YummyPL, I think it as simple as economics. Financially, Ukrainians are just not as prosperous as Russians at this time. Whether it's for prostitution, sponsorship, companionship, drinks, sex or just a free meal, people who are economically "stressed" are putting themselves "out there" with great vigor and regularity. Just a simple example comparing Moscow today to 10 years ago shows us that there are not NEARLY as many girls who are overtly "available" today in bars and clubs as there was back then. I'm not saying that there are not plenty of girls in Moscow clubs and bars today, but their whole attitude is different. They are not "hungry" the way they used to be and the way they appear to be these days in Ukraine. My last trip to Ukraine was over a year ago but I noticed the difference right away. In fact, one of my Moscow girlfriends gave me the "3rd degree" before I left for a long weekend in Ukraine telling me to make sure I protect myself from the "piranhas" in Kiev. Even SHE knows the score and felt a little threatened knowing that I was going to a city where the girls are more "available".

To me, this is the acid test. We guys are clueless, but the chicks all seem to know what's what.

[QUOTE=Smdrr;1554075]Thanks for the report. I was curious about this last point cause I have asked this question (which dating sites) before from one or two mongers and received no response. Is it simply because of the ISG forum rules you don't want to share the names or is it because there are differences in quality of different websites and girls and you don't want to reveal the good sources? . Would I be equally lucky if I used any of the main dating sites?[/QUOTE]To a certain extent it depends what you are looking for. Some sites serve some interests better than others.

The basic default site is Mamba. Ru (date. Ru). Tens of thousands of active members, thousands on-line at any time. Yes there are a lot of fake profiles and "pros" or escort services behind many profiles, but you can figure most of this out over time. And maybe you are looking for pros or similar girls. But equally there are huge numbers of normal girls, although many are not necessarily looking for Western men, whereas many other sites are all about East-West relations.

In the past (years ago) I likes LuckyLovers, as it seemed to have all "real" girls and had a good chat / forum discussion feature which allowed you to really get to know some of the girls. However, now it seems to be a very small pond of mostly older women. There might only be a couple of dozen on-line at any given time (and usually those are the same old war horses). However, I have still found some gems there, but will probably not rejoin, now that I understand how small the pool is.

Again in the past I used Elenas Models with some success. It also seemed to have all (mostly) real girls, of decent quality, with good English skills and open to older guys. However when I read the girl's blurbs now it sounds like they are all written by the same person, so I am suspicious of it. Also a lot of the girls have been there a long time, maybe they are mostly "professional daters" (I don't mean P4P, but just seeking free dinners and presents). An upside to Elena's is it's heavily biased towards Ukrainian women, which works for me.

In my opinion, things to look for in a dating site:

- statistics about active users.

- information on each profile about most recent log-in (lots of sites have thousands of inactive profiles)

- girl's language ability.

- on-line translation (if you care about that. But really, if you cannot talk to them on-line you are not going to be able to talk to them in person!)

- girl's partnership interests. Age range, marriage or dating, etc.

- good search criteria.

- clear fee structure that lets you talk directly to the girls.

The things to avoid:

- fees for every letter sent, or translations by intermediaries.

- sites that try to sell you flowers or gifts to send, lots of extra fees (Anastasia) , romance tours (A Foreign Affair)

- sites where you create a profile for free (most do) but then it costs a lot to send or read letters. And guess what? After you create a pro-forma profile, you discover a handful of letters from amazing women in your inbox, but you cannot read them until you pony up $$$. How real do you think those profiles are?

Within any site, I further avoid profiles with only one photo and minimal profile information. A real girl seeking real dates is going to put a lot more effort into her profile.

Happy hunting,

GT

[QUOTE=Jake993; 1554508]Strav,

If I may be so bold as to attempt a response for YummyPL, I think it as simple as economics. Financially, Ukrainians are just not as prosperous as Russians at this time. Whether it's for prostitution, sponsorship, companionship, drinks, sex or just a free meal, people who are economically "stressed" are putting themselves "out there" with great vigor and regularity. Just a simple example comparing Moscow today to 10 years ago shows us that there are not NEARLY as many girls who are overtly "available" today in bars and clubs as there was back then. I'm not saying that there are not plenty of girls in Moscow clubs and bars today, but their whole attitude is different. They are not "hungry" the way they used to be and the way they appear to be these days in Ukraine. My last trip to Ukraine was over a year ago but I noticed the difference right away. In fact, one of my Moscow girlfriends gave me the "3rd degree" before I left for a long weekend in Ukraine telling me to make sure I protect myself from the "piranhas" in Kiev. Even SHE knows the score and felt a little threatened knowing that I was going to a city where the girls are more "available".

To me, this is the acid test. We guys are clueless, but the chicks all seem to know what's what.[/QUOTE]I have just couldn't stop myself to involve in this discussion. I have already turned back from a Cologne-Amsterdam 10 days trip. Yes I know I am an idiot to go for Amsterdam. Maybe I write a report in it's own thread.

And Strav for your information it's always more and more fun being in German FKK than being in Moscow if you are interested in P4P.

IMHO Ukraine yes usually easier than Russia. And they are for me more beatiful. I like brunette blondes and they are less in Russia. Check latest post of Prosal in Ukraine Other areas section for Zaparotja.

It's obviously more preferable to have some freebie sex than paid sex and if it would be possible I would choose to have some freebie sex with more cost but as you know it's always less cost.

Spending thousands of hours on internet for finding girls to fuck with can be logical because when you try to find the little percentage of girls who can speak average level english on the street or in a bar can be quite frustrating. You just copy a message and if she responds yeah it's more likely she speaks english. But I believe it's not for all of us. Personally if I have time I would go to the city and join some public activities and meet with someone. Much easier. I don't say it's easier to pick them up in a bar or night club. I say if you can spend a 10 days in Moscow and make them believe that you are resident your life will be easier. Why not get there and just joing a Yoga or Salsa class? I bet you will meet hundreds of Dyevhucshas. Just my opinion.

Last words. I think here another important question is which city is best for picking up freebies?

I will respond this Moscow. I am curious about your opinions also. I have been in Ukraine in two times.

Yummy,

What you think for Prague? I have been there but only tried p4p places unfortunately.

Note:The Old School Pub is i think not a good place for us who is over 30 because as the name implies it's a place for students.
After hundreds of days spend to find freebies in European cities i figured out that the name of the place it's location and type of music they play has a major effect the age of people there present.Believe me most of you dont want to be in a bar or night club filled with twenties and compete with the others.Check my post in Other section in Ukraine in Evpatoria.

BR

[QUOTE=Jake993;1551725]Good analysis. I have to agree with you about the 30 year olds. Like it or not, they are the prime pickings. I find that the 20 somethings are a pain-in-the-ass. Their attitudes have disintegrated and I don't have the energy to put up with their BS anymore. But, maybe that's just me getting old. I find that the 30 somethings have the blend of looks, experience and attitude that I find so charming about Russian women. And there is no shortage of available, willing and able 30 somethings in Moscow![/QUOTE]It's encouraging to hear you say that Jake, given your constant exposure to all that is on offer.

In planning for my upcoming trip, I have connected with a lot of interesting 28-35 year-olds, but was feeling I should be trying harder to score younger girls, just on principle!

But maybe I should be content with eager 30ish freebies, rather than getting into the hassles of figuring out what I need to do to entice and entertain a 22 year old.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1554666]Spending thousands of hours on internet for finding girls to fuck with can be logical because when you try to find the little percentage of girls who can speak average level english on the street or in a bar can be quite frustrating. You just copy a message and if she responds yeah it's more likely she speaks english. [/QUOTE]I understand the guy traveling to Moscow for a one-off trip, or a few days of business, doesn't want to waste a lot of time learning a new language. But I would think that someone who loves the women and can be in Moscow in a couple of hours, without any visa requirement, would want to invest some time in learning the lingo.

It will allow you to spend your time and money as you wish, not as you must.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1554508]In fact, one of my Moscow girlfriends gave me the "3rd degree" before I left for a long weekend in Ukraine telling me to make sure I protect myself from the "piranhas" in Kiev. Even SHE knows the score and felt a little threatened knowing that I was going to a city where the girls are more "available".

To me, this is the acid test. We guys are clueless, but the chicks all seem to know what's what.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm glad [i]some[/i]one knows what's going on. It was very considerate of your GF to point you in the direction of the hottest колхозницы (Ukrainian girls). Is this what you found? :)


OK, so it looks like, добро пожаловать Украину (welcome to the Ukraine)

Do you think they speak Russian there? :eek:

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel; 1554664]To a certain extent it depends what you are looking for. Some sites serve some interests better than others.

GT[/QUOTE]Thank you for the response GT! This is very helpful. I have also been on the LuckyLovers site just for the heck of it and found that in a little amount of time after I posted a travel companion ad, I got fair bit of interest in my profile views and emails sent all seem from genuine and real girls some pretty attractive. I guess in the end in does depend on what somebody is looking for. I for one would like to look for freebies on these sites as I get my fair share of P4P banging stunning EE women in German FKKs every now and then. Now that my work requirements allow me to travel more leisurely I am considering these other destinations for freebie girls and Russia / Ukraine versus Thailand / Philippines seem two very viable though very different options.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1554776]Do you think they speak Russian there? :eek:[/QUOTE]You know, THAT is a helleva question.

Previous to all of this Maidan business, you could speak Russian to ANYONE on the street in Kiev and get and answer back in Russian. Conversely, you could ask a question in Ukrainian to anyone on the street in Kiev and it was 50:50 that they would answer you in Russian. I don't know if that was because they did not want to speak Ukrainian or if they COULD NOT speak it properly despite the fact they knew what I was asking. I wonder if that's still the case or have people reverted back to Ukrainian.

As an interesting side-bar, I know a GOEGEOUS blondinka in the UK who was born in Ukraine to a Russian speaking family in the Eastern part of the country. While she spoke Russian with her family at home, it just so happened that the nearest school to her home was a Ukrainian language school so guess what? Yup, she learned Ukrainian as well. I originally met her in Moscow where she work as a translator speaking Russian, Ukrainian, English, Chinese AND Italian fluently. She eventually fell in love with some "pastey white" British fellow and moved to some God awful town in Northern England.

We still keep in touch and she told me recently that with all of this Maidan business, she has rediscovered her Ukrainian-ness. When she lived in Moscow she was quite embarrassed about her Ukrainian passport and, in fact, cursed her bad luck for being born in such a goofy country. BUT NOW she's done a complete turn around and refuses to speak Russian because of what Mr. P has done to her homeland.

OK, OK, I admit it, she is a bit of a flake. Ahhh. But a gorgeous flake (I'm SURE I posted a naked photo of her somewhere) and it's interesting to see how recent events have made her reconsider her attitudes towards the country where she was born.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1554508]If I may be so bold as to attempt a response for YummyPL, I think it as simple as economics.[/QUOTE]Strav, yes I have been in Ukraine. I think Jake's analysis is spot on. The one thing I would add is a point that cucumber makes:

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1550867]3. Russian men are gradually getting their act together, drinking (a bit) less, smoking (a bit) less and so on. They have also become (a lot) wealthier. And they are scooping up attractive girls as girlfriends, wives, employees and thus those women end up off the streets and out of the bars (taking care of babies, jobs, on holiday etc.).[/QUOTE]I think this is absolutely true in Russia, but hardly true at all in Ukraine. I don't want to be offensive to our Ukrainian brothers, but notwithstanding the very small wealthy class, they really have not "gotten their act together." So not only are there fewer economic opportunities for the girls in Ukraine, there are also fewer prospects of finding a good quality Ukrainian man.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1554666]What you think for Prague? I have been there but only tried p4p places unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I like Prague but really I have mostly brought girls with me to Prague. The economy is really pretty good in the CR so I doubt many young girls are looking for old guys like me.

A place I have had some good success with freebies is Budapest. It has been a few years but the girls were willing and the prices for hotels and restaurants were cheap. Budapest is a great city. Bucharest, in my opinion, is not a place to go. The Romanian girls are sharks, and besides, the best ones are in German FKKs. I spent a little time in Sofia this past December and it seems like it has potential.

[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1557334]I like Prague but really I have mostly brought girls with me to Prague. The economy is really pretty good in the CR so I doubt many young girls are looking for old guys like me.

A place I have had some good success with freebies is Budapest. It has been a few years but the girls were willing and the prices for hotels and restaurants were cheap. Budapest is a great city. Bucharest, in my opinion, is not a place to go. The Romanian girls are sharks, and besides, the best ones are in German FKKs. I spent a little time in Sofia this past December and it seems like it has potential.[/QUOTE]Yummy thanks for the info.

I have been in Budapest. The island is nice with night clubs. Nice meat with cheap price is also a plus there.

I will try Sophia because it's close to here.

Regards.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1557334]Bucharest, in my opinion, is not a place to go. The Romanian girls are sharks, and besides, the best ones are in German FKKs.[/QUOTE]What makes the Romanian girls sharks?

Does this even apply to Romanian girls who are looking for a serious relationship?

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1557334]Bucharest, in my opinion, is not a place to go. The Romanian girls are sharks, and besides, the best ones are in German FKKs.[/QUOTE]What makes the Romanian girls sharks?

Does it also apply for the Romanian girls who are looking for a serious relationship?

[QUOTE=Koedam; 1557776]What makes the Romanian girls sharks?

Does it also apply for the Romanian girls who are looking for a serious relationship?[/QUOTE]You buy drinks, food, and spend time and get NOTHING. They want the package (marriage) but don't want to give up anything getting there. They have attitudes and are full of themselves. They are like American girls except wanting a way out of their shit economic existence. Not a place for older men to find easy sex with younger girls IMHO.

This is my experience and I normally do OK.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1557823]You buy drinks, food, and spend time and get NOTHING. They want the package (marriage) but don't want to give up anything getting there. They have attitudes and are full of themselves. They are like American girls except wanting a way out of their shit economic existence.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Somehow they are able to convince themselves that they are above it all and are entitled to something better. Which is humorous because we Western men initially respond to that attitude by thinking they are just playing "hard to get". And they seem to hate everyone. Russians, Americans, Brits, etc. Don't be fooled. Romanian girls are are a waste of time unless you are looking for a purely sex for money transaction. In which case they can be pretty hot!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1557915]Romanian girls are are a waste of time unless you are looking for a purely sex for money transaction. In which case they can be pretty hot![/QUOTE]I still have not figured out why 90% of German FKK girls are Romanian when there are so many poor, Eastern European girls out there. And yes, in an FKK, they can be a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1558209]I still have not figured out why 90% of German FKK girls are Romanian when there are so many poor, Eastern European girls out there. And yes, in an FKK, they can be a lot of fun.[/QUOTE]I think it's a simple matter of access. Romania is a member of the EU, so it should be very easy for them to travel (and work) within the EU. Ukraine is not a member of the EU, so it's more difficult for Ukrainians to travel, and work, in Europe, although they can and do.

Just another reason to hope that Ukraine will join the EU.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1558238]I think it's a simple matter of access. Romania is a member of the EU, so it should be very easy for them to travel (and work) within the EU. Ukraine is not a member of the EU, so it's more difficult for Ukrainians to travel, and work, in Europe, although they can and do.

Just another reason to hope that Ukraine will join the EU.[/QUOTE]I don't want Ukraine to join the EU mostly for that reason. All the good talent will be lost in Ukraine if they can move and work freely in Europe. My point was that it is strange to me that FKKs literally have about 80-90% Romanian girls with much less representation from places like Hungary and Poland.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1558390]I don't want Ukraine to join the EU mostly for that reason. All the good talent will be lost in Ukraine if they can move and work freely in Europe. My point was that it is strange to me that FKKs literally have about 80-90% Romanian girls with much less representation from places like Hungary and Poland.[/QUOTE]Yummy, I wonder if it's just the FKK's you frequent? I am by no means an expert having only visited Palace FKK in Frankfurt a handful of times. But each time I went there were plenty of Russians (naturally) , some Ukrainians, a Hungarian, a Colombian (if you can believe it) some Poles and a girl from Egypt. But I sure do not remember any Romanians. Maybe they just don't like Palace FKK?

[QUOTE=Jake993;1558412]Yummy, I wonder if it's just the FKK's you frequent? I am by no means an expert having only visited Palace FKK in Frankfurt a handful of times. But each time I went there were plenty of Russians (naturally) , some Ukrainians, a Hungarian, a Colombian (if you can believe it) some Poles and a girl from Egypt. But I sure do not remember any Romanians. Maybe they just don't like Palace FKK?[/QUOTE]I have already turn back from Cologne and have regrets that I didn't visit Palace. I had drived to FRA on my first day.

BTW I think it's another reason that the Romanian girls are incredibly hot, nose up and flirtitous to be the majority in FKK's.

And why most of them from costanza? I couldn't figure out.

I always prefer Russians over them but in my ten years mongering career I couldn't find a place to fuck them for 50€.

I know you will advice me St. Pete but the girls in houses never even close to the ones in FKK.

So is this just a dream to find an Aurora 911 that you can fuck the girls for 50€ or does it exist somewhere in deep Russia?

Responding to various points made by others recently:

- I was in Ukraine earlier this year (Kiev and Crimea). I had some constraints, but managed to slip away for mongering about 5 nights and 2-3 days. Historically I have found Ukrainian women very beautiful, perhaps more beautiful than Russian women. The relatively large difference in income should make the Ukrainian women more available. But I struggled and I found that prices were not all that low. Perhaps it was for lack of time to work things out.

- I was in FKK Palace in Frankfurt earlier this year. It was crawling with Romanians, as were the other places I visited in the area. I found them very beautiful, but the sex variable. That may also be because the efficiency and mass nature of the FKK experience in itself is not conducive to GFE.

- I am certainly no expert on Romanian women. But one way I think about it as you move from Russia, to Ukraine, to Moldova / Romania is that you are gradually going south. You are getting more south European flavor (which some might think of as "Latin") , both in looks and in terms of behavior. In terms of looks that is not bad and Ukrainian and Romanian women are probably some of the most beautiful in the world, corresponding to international cultural ideals which are based on average European looks, where Ukraine and Romania has similarities with the same latitude in Western Europe (although it also means that the looks start declining if you move even further south (to Greece / Turkey and onwards). In terms of behavior, you are gradually getting more coquette, slightly more hard to get, slightly more passionate girls. Of course both Russia and Ukraine are all mixed up, so there are lots of exceptions to these generalizations, but if you meet 1000 Russian women. 1000 Ukrainian women and 1000 Romanian women I think you are going to start seeing the tendency. I am not quite there yet, but working on it :)

- In my list of points about the decline of Russia as a mongering destination a while back, I forgot to mention one important indicator: the rise of African and Central Asian girls in many salons. If there were millions of long-legged, blond (isn) , firm-bodied Slavic beauties knocking down the doors there would not be space for the other nationalities. The other nationalities are often presented as exotic alternatives included for variety, but in fact (I think) they are filling a vacuum.

- I agree with YummyPL. From a cynical (Russian-speaking) mongering perspective it is better if Ukraine is kept out of the EU. And one could add, a high level of animosity between the West and Russia is a good thing. Keeps away the sheep tourists. What Putin et al have been doing recently is a godsend. Perhaps there will even be a severe economic crisis in Russia over the next couple of years. I dream of rerun of August 1998, and now there is a glimmer of hope.

- Another point on Russia: the mongerers seem to be more classy than e. G. In the Philippines, which in my impression really gets the dregs of Western men (I don't mean age or pretty faces, but some degree of education, civility, ability to reflect etc.). I think that is mirrored in the quality of postings on the ISG threads for the two destination. But personally I really enjoy sex with South East Asian women as I feel they are more submissive and (even) more feminine than the devushkas.

Cuke

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1559133]What Putin et al have been doing recently is a godsend. Perhaps there will even be a severe economic crisis in Russia over the next couple of years. I dream of rerun of August 1998, and now there is a glimmer of hope.[/QUOTE]Stop it Cuke. Don't go giving us false hope!

Visiting St Pb again, although visiting Moscow for a few days in May. Taking the fast train - meeting with a girl in Moscow I already have a "relationship" with (she's from Yaroslavl). She actually likes Moscow. While I am not technically paying her for sex I am paying, slowly, meeting by meeting, to renovate her apartment. This meeting it's the tile in her bathroom. A few years ago I would have rated her a 7.5, but in the last year or so she's put on a few kilos and her stock is falling (she left university and started a regular job). Rank her a 6.5 now in looks but we know each other well and that is a big bonus. Who likes starting from scratch?

Otherwise, I'm meeting with a girl in StPb I've been meeting with for the past few years - straight sex/money/gifts situation - and looking for a lucky hit on Mamba.

A few observations. Ruble is a downward spiral. Over 36 / dollar.

Lots of anti-American sentiment going around, though it's mostly lip-service, so far. Russian nationalism is running high, though not in the "I'm a patriot, I'm not going to meet an American / foreigner stage."

For me, the big difference between Russia and Ukraine has been the Ukrainian girls learned long ago about this thing called "internet." Russian girls seem to me a bit slower on the uptake (this is all relative. Girls in the big cities are very different from girls in the provinces).

However, if your in to "exclusive" relationships in Russia / Ukraine, forget it. If your the jealous type, your in trouble. Russian and Ukrainian girls have this idea that having multiple guys in a "relationship" with them is a great thing. And if one of them is a foreigner, all the better (all the easier to manage).

Want to know the real talent of Ukrainian / Russian girls?. All the while you think you are playing them, they are playing you. Medical tests regularly are a must if you are in a GFE relationship.

Forget the "good old days." Girls in Russia either know or soon learn about this phenomena called "internet." Once they discover it and learn how much European men are willing to pay for Russian girls in Paris, etc, and the prices change accordingly (with the top end girls. 8s). Having written that, there is still the Russian price and the foreign price, but be aware in Russia the 8s charge the Russian men the same price as foreigners. I call this the GASPROM price. The really great looking girls go after Russian men with money.

For example, there is this drop dead gorgeous girl in Piter I have met and chatted with a few times whose price is 15000 rubles for 3 hours. She is definitely, in my opinion an "8." I have never taken her up on her offer, just met her a few times for a drink, but oh boy! I am tempted. This is, of course, the same price you would get in Europe. Most of the girls I meet I would rank as "6"s and "7"s - although personally this has a lot to do with weight. I'm into the thin, almost emaciated look, so if a girl puts on a few pounds she can easily move down from a 7 to a 6.

And bye the way, the shelf life for a Russian girl is about 28. After that, their looks go down, down, down, downhill.

Now, if you can connect with the girl from the provinces, that is different, until she gets some street sense and realizes she's been naive. This means being lucky and connecting with her in one of the big cities. Anyone who would travel to a Russian rural area is crazy.

Mamba is still, albeit with some work, useful. Check out other dating sites too. Do the leg work. Prep work is critical to success in Russia, unless your living / working in Russia. With some time dedicated to prep on Mamba or pay dating sites, you can have a good time, although I can't say it will be "cheap."

For "cheap" you need to go to Asia. As far as I know that is the only place left where a casual monger can go with a budget.

If your living / working in Russia, the rules change. You will have Russian colleagues setting you up. Completely different situation.

Learning Russian? Forget it, unless your living / working in Russia. Russians HATE foreign accents. You want to be the butt of jokes? Learn a little Russian and try and pass yourself off as learning the language. Your girl and her friend are laughing hysterically? They are laughing at you and the way you try and speak Russian.

Just use a translator on your phone and don't try and show how cool you are by learning a few phrases in Russian.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis; 1559436]Learning Russian? Forget it, unless your living / working in Russia. Russians HATE foreign accents. You want to be the butt of jokes? Learn a little Russian and try and pass yourself off as learning the language. Your girl and her friend are laughing hysterically? They are laughing at you and the way you try and speak Russian.

Just use a translator on your phone and don't try and show how cool you are by learning a few phrases in Russian.[/QUOTE]I disagree with almost everything you wrote but especially this.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1558412]Yummy, I wonder if it's just the FKK's you frequent? I am by no means an expert having only visited Palace FKK in Frankfurt a handful of times. But each time I went there were plenty of Russians (naturally) , some Ukrainians, a Hungarian, a Colombian (if you can believe it) some Poles and a girl from Egypt. But I sure do not remember any Romanians. Maybe they just don't like Palace FKK?[/QUOTE]Actually I should adjust my numbers some. All of the big clubs do have a handful of Asian, African, and Latina girls. I generally stay away from them in FKKs because if I want one of them I go to their home countries. A Filipino is much better in the Philippines than she is in an FKK.

Hmmm, I have not been to Palace since 2005 but it had plenty of Romanians then (but perhaps a better mix). In the last 4 years I have been to big clubs like Oase, Artamis, Sakura, and many other smaller clubs and I stand by my estimated 80%+. In fact, I have been to clubs like Heaven and Tantra which are 100% Romanian. It is almost a joke when I ask them where they are from and then I clarify I mean which city.

In Sakura, to suggest diversity, girls that are Romanian will often say they are something else. A girl called Diana said she was Spanish because she lived there 3 years, Same with a girl 'from' Italy, and this girl that had a Hungarian father said she was Hungarian, although when you get to know them a little you discover they are actually all from Romania. This beautiful girl from Turkey left Sakura after a couple of weeks because she had no girls to talk to.

Jake, what you say is surprising to me, but I have no doubt that you spoke to Russian and Ukrainian girls in Palace. They are probably drawn to you like a magnet. A hushed murmur spreads through the club 'This American guy can speak Russian! ' I would think it would almost be a thrill for them. Or maybe our eye gets drawn to what we like so we talk to the girls we are interested in and you like the look of the northern-Slavic girls so you get lucky.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1559459]I disagree with almost everything you wrote but especially this.[/QUOTE]Well, maybe not almost everything, but a lot.)

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1559436]Learning Russian? Forget it, unless your living / working in Russia. Russians HATE foreign accents. You want to be the butt of jokes? Learn a little Russian and try and pass yourself off as learning the language. Your girl and her friend are laughing hysterically? They are laughing at you and the way you try and speak Russian.

Just use a translator on your phone and don't try and show how cool you are by learning a few phrases in Russian.[/QUOTE]

Interesting... I have had many conversations with Russians, here in the U.S. and also in Russia, but have never encountered this particular type of reaction. And my Russian is most certainly laughable. But then, I have always valued pronunciation over grammar and strive to make what little Russian I speak sound "just like a Russian".

Is it possible that this is some new trend in Russian society? A kind of phonological jingoism born of rising nationalism in Russia? My experience has been that most people in the world, not only Russia, are so amazed to meet an American who speaks any language [b]other[/b] than English that it becomes an almost endearing quality. No matter how simple or poor is the expression. The only exception to that rule would be the French--one bobbled vowel, one missed apostrophe and they look at you as if you had just insulted the memory of their dead grandmother.

My advice would be, don't try to show how cool you are by using the translator on your phone, learn some Russian and speak directly to the girl. Whether she laughs with you, or at you, what's the diff? They will always appreciate the effort and you at least have her attention and remember, a pie in the face comes with the job.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1559835]Interesting. I have had many conversations with Russians, here in the USA and also in Russia, but have never encountered this particular type of reaction. And my Russian is most certainly laughable. But then, I have always valued pronunciation over grammar and strive to make what little Russian I speak sound "just like a Russian".

Is it possible that this is some new trend in Russian society? A kind of phonological jingoism born of rising nationalism in Russia? My experience has been that most people in the world, not only Russia, are so amazed to meet an American who speaks any language [b]other[/b] Than English that it becomes an almost endearing quality. No matter how simple or poor is the expression. The only exception to that rule would be the French-one bobbled vowel, one missed apostrophe and they look at you as if you had just insulted the memory of their dead grandmother.

My advice would be, don't try to show how cool you are by using the translator on your phone, learn some Russian and speak directly to the girl. Whether she laughs with you, or at you, what's the diff? They will always appreciate the effort and you at least have her attention and remember, a pie in the face comes with the job.[/QUOTE]Ok my friend just cut the chase and being the Russian teacher of the high school and tell us when are you coming to Russia? The weather is quite good enough and you can't make excuses. Bring some action man!

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1559846]Ok my friend just cut the chase and being the Russian teacher of the high school and tell us when are you coming to Russia? The weather is quite good enough and you can't make excuses. Bring some action man![/QUOTE]I'll be there again 9-18 May if you want to come up.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1559846]Ok my friend just cut the chase and being the Russian teacher of the high school and tell us when are you coming to Russia? The weather is quite good enough and you can't make excuses. Bring some action man![/QUOTE]Why Iceberg, I didn't know you cared! :o

Translate this and you will have your answer.

Когда вы можете прекрасно говорит по-русский, снова я возвращу в Россию,

если Владимир Владимирович не против. :)

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1559880]I'll be there again 9-18 May if you want to come up.[/QUOTE]Bother I'm working on my Russia visa.

I hope combine Russia, Ukraine and maybe Poland one trip this Summer.

Ok it's 03. 00 and I'm sitting in an apartment in Piter jet lagged out the gazoo and counting down the days until I have to go to the purgatory that is Moscow, so I'll weight in on this "speakin a little Russian" issue. Again.

You want to empirically test this? In any social situation with Russians, introduce the Ukrainians speaking Russian or Belorussians speaking Russian topic. Watch the evening take a hilarious, if arrogant, turn. Russians LOVE making fun of the way Ukrainians and Belorussians speak Russian: their accents, all. And it ain't just fun. It's Russian superiority vis a vis "others" inferiority. Now, given that Ukrainians and Belorussians speak Russian fluently, and Russians can certainly understand them, just imagine what Russians think of Europeans and Americans who butcher Russian?

Or, if you want the conversation to take a serious and racist turn, introduce the topic of Caucuses peoples and the way they "barely" speak Russian at all. How do Russians know the inferiority of them? Look at how poorly they speak Russian.

Russians are Ethnocentric in an extreme way. More so than the French, though about the same as Parisians, in my opinion (don't get me started on the way the French make fun of Canadian and Louisiana French speakers). And if we generally agree on this, that Russians are ethnocentric, then we must also understand that Ethnocentrism begins and ends with language and the superiority and PURITY of one's own language over others. To put it another way, the mispronunciation of Russian words by Belorussians and Ukrainians and foreigners OFFENDS Russians. It angers them.

Russian for them is SACRED. It is the language of great art and literature, and, similar to the French, if you can't speak it well, don't speak it at all. They have many different words and expressions, every educated Russian knows and can quote from Pushkin, they have and use about a million profane words, and their conversations are rich and complex and full of linguistic subtleties. They can tell your class and educational level in a nanosecond based on the way you speak. And yeah, learn to say "hi" and "goodbye" in Russian and they will smile and be amused, and inwardly snicker at the fact that you can't even pronounce "privet" correctly.

Moreover, any Russian who speaks any English at all would rather butcher English and try and communicate and learn English from you, than have you butcher Russian.

Now, of course, I mean really, if your alone and visiting Russia and working / living in Russia you do what you do. And if trying to find someplace means speaking bad Russian then by all means do so. And if the girl you are with is complementing you on your Russian and your Russian friends and colleagues are complementing you, then that's the game yes? We play them and they play us and as long as we all end the day satisfied what 's the harm?

And now for something completely different. (and yes I can "speak" some Russian and it's most useful to overhear what people say when they think I can't understand what they are saying). Was in one of the big mega malls here in Piter today. At the entrance was a drop dead gorgeous girl handing out fliers. I sat and ate some pizza and just watched her. I counted 5 Russian guys attempting to hit on her. Three of them were obviously upper middle class / upper class, designer clothes, full Armani / whatever regalia, and led with presents (single red rose, ice cream, stuffed animal). One of them I overheard saying "I'll wait for you and give you a ride home in my new black BMW X6" or something or other." And that, for me, is the biggest difference now in Russia. Domestic competition has the gestures AND money AND can court them in Russian and speak all those niceties Russia girls just love to hear. Although, near as I can tell, she shot all of them down. Oddly enough, the guy she seemed most friendly with was a grungy one with no presents and lots of tattoos. Go figure. The 'bad boy' works in Russia.

Take it easy, Skwiskwis. English accent is never ridiculed. To tell the truth this is often the case with German (sounds harsh) or Finnish (sounds slow). As for competition don't compete with yourself. If you are not genuine or a cheapskate within your means you don't stand the chance.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1559460]Jake, what you say is surprising to me, but I have no doubt that you spoke to Russian and Ukrainian girls in Palace. They are probably drawn to you like a magnet. A hushed murmur spreads through the club 'This American guy can speak Russian! ' I would think it would almost be a thrill for them. Or maybe our eye gets drawn to what we like so we talk to the girls we are interested in and you like the look of the northern-Slavic girls so you get lucky.[/QUOTE]Fuck! I am such an easy mark! Ha ha ha! Next time I will keep my big mouth shut! No need to do the Coal / Newcastle thing.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1559891]Why Iceberg, I didn't know you cared! .

Translate this and you will have your answer.

&1050; &1086; &1075; &1076; &1072; &1074; &1099; &1084; &1086; &1078; &1077; &1090; &1077; &1087; &1088; &1077; &1082; &1088; &1072; &1089; &1085; &1086; &1075; &1086; &1074; &1086; &1088; &1080; &1090; &1087; &1086; . &1088; &1091; &1089; &1089; &1082; &1080; &1081; , &1089; &1085; &1086; &1074; &1072; &1103; &1074; &1086; &1079; &1074; &1088; &1072; &1097; &1091; &1074; &1056; &1086; &1089; &1089; &1080; &1102; ,

&1077; &1089; &1083; &1080; &1042; &1083; &1072; &1076; &1080; &1084; &1080; &1088; &1042; &1083; &1072; &1076; &1080; &1084; &1080; &1088; &1086; &1074; &1080; &1095; &1085; &1077; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1090; &1080; &1074; . .[/QUOTE]Dude, don't hold your breath. I am back in the USA for a few weeks and am wondering if the situation will deteriorate to the point where I might not be able to get back in! I can't believe I just said that!

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1559928]You want to empirically test this? In any social situation with Russians, introduce the Ukrainians speaking Russian or Belorussians speaking Russian topic. Watch the evening take a hilarious, if arrogant, turn. Russians LOVE making fun of the way Ukrainians and Belorussians speak Russian: their accents, all. And it ain't just fun. It's Russian superiority vis a vis "others" inferiority. Now, given that Ukrainians and Belorussians speak Russian fluently, and Russians can certainly understand them, just imagine what Russians think of Europeans and Americans who butcher Russian?[/QUOTE]I agree with you but only to a point. IMHO your Belarus, Ukraine example is closer to the British English, American English, Australian English "thing" than anything else. Each of these forms of English is peppered with local words and accents. And the ones who are closest to the origin of the language like to "bust" on everyone else for the funny way they talk.

In my experience, Russians usually appreciate your effort for trying to learn their language. However, when you DO get ridiculed for trying to learn and use learn and use the Russian language, you are probably dealing with someone who feels threatened by your attempt to penetrate their impervious Russian barrier. For some, the very idea of you communicating with them in their native tongue is threatening and offensive. It's ok for them to learn English,"but don't you DARE sully the melodious language of Pushkin". It's not so different from the snotty upper crust English aristocrat who speaks the "Queens English" and pretends to not understand what "a good old boy" from Texas is saying with his drawl."How DARE he attempt to sully the words of Shakespeare and Chaucer with his brutish use of our sacred English language".

IMHO, when Russians ridicule (rather then help) an English speaker for their attempt for using English, it's usually because they are impatient and rude. And when a girl finds your attempt to speak Russian with her offensive rather than charming, it usual means that she just not "into you". But that's just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1559891]Why Iceberg, I didn't know you cared! .

Translate this and you will have your answer.

&1050; &1086; &1075; &1076; &1072; &1074; &1099; &1084; &1086; &1078; &1077; &1090; &1077; &1087; &1088; &1077; &1082; &1088; &1072; &1089; &1085; &1086; &1075; &1086; &1074; &1086; &1088; &1080; &1090; &1087; &1086; . &1088; &1091; &1089; &1089; &1082; &1080; &1081; , &1089; &1085; &1086; &1074; &1072; &1103; &1074; &1086; &1079; &1074; &1088; &1072; &1097; &1091; &1074; &1056; &1086; &1089; &1089; &1080; &1102; ,

&1077; &1089; &1083; &1080; &1042; &1083; &1072; &1076; &1080; &1084; &1080; &1088; &1042; &1083; &1072; &1076; &1080; &1084; &1080; &1088; &1086; &1074; &1080; &1095; &1085; &1077; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1090; &1080; &1074; . .[/QUOTE]Of course I care you come to Russia or not because I am curious you will repeat Yummy's great success or not. (I like to motivate mongerers:))

I am not sure Putin cares or not but he can't stop you my friend! Go on. Good luck.

Note:Bad guy definitely works in Russia. I agree with you.

Yummy,

19 May is a national holiday here so if I can catch an economical ticket why not? I can be there for 17-18.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1560130]Dude, don't hold your breath. I am back in the USA for a few weeks and am wondering if the situation will deteriorate to the point where I might not be able to get back in! I can't believe I just said that![/QUOTE]Please don't say that Jake. I already have my tickets and have paid for my apartment.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1560130]I am back in the USA for a few weeks and am wondering if the situation will deteriorate to the point where I might not be able to get back in![/QUOTE]I hope you make it back, Jake. If the IRS finds out you overstayed your 2 week limit, VVP will be the least of your worries.

BTW--you did remember to include a "force majeure" clause in your apartment lease, right? :)

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1560193]Of course I care you come to Russia or not because I am curious you will repeat Yummy's great success or not. (I like to motivate mongerers:))[/QUOTE]Iceberg, I doubt if anyone has the discipline, diligence and determination to duplicate Yummy's success. All we can do is stand in awe.

I am more like you; I like to sit in the strip club, play the lazy boy and grab ass as it walks by.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1560316]Iceberg, I doubt if anyone has the discipline, diligence and determination to duplicate Yummy's success. All we can do is stand in awe.

I am more like you; I like to sit in the strip club, play the lazy boy and grab ass as it walks by.[/QUOTE]What is your plan? Just to sit in strip clubs and play the lazy boy? I can't believe you Strav. Just go to a house and I hope they give you the room on roof and enjoy fucking a Russian villager girl under snow sight looking from window. By the way the strip clubs are enjoyable. I have unforgettable times in the one (I guess it's Golden Dolls) on Nevsky Prospekt just next to one of Rick's apartment.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1560319]What is your plan? [/QUOTE]

Iceberg, you still don't understand. This is the wonderful thing about Russia--you don't need a plan! :D

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1560313]I hope you make it back, Jake. If the IRS finds out you overstayed your 2 week limit, VVP will be the least of your worries.

BTW-you did remember to include a "force majeure" clause in your apartment lease, right? .[/QUOTE]Please, the Russian Tax Authorities make the IRS look like pussies. Sadly, I don't qualify for the exemption as it is.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1560322]Iceberg, you still don't understand. This is the wonderful thing about Russia--you don't need a plan! :D[/QUOTE]I am waiting your trip report excitedly:)

Hi all,

I am new to this forum. My name is San and I am living in Moscow for a while. If somebody is planning going out in the next few days, please let me know where and when.

So far I have been in some Irish / British pubs in the center, the crowd was very mixed, many expats activities going on there.

So please PM me or let me know here if there is any gathering soon.

Thanks,

San Gaetano

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Hi Friends,

I am planning to visit Moscow, hopefully next month. I need your advice as I am going very first time to Russia. I am an Indian so looks different from European people. So would it be safe for me to move on the roads and go to the night clubs. Please advice me which are the best places for mongering, night clubs and what the prices for girls in Moscow.

Thanks

Walking in Arbat. So much candy around. Beautiful day.

My thankfully brief recent visit to Moscow.

Rented an apartment in StPb. Hotel in Moscow. Found the apartment on Airbnb. Highly recommend it. More and more Russians are advertising their apartments on Airbnb and you can negotiate directly with the owner. In most cases you can also arrange for them to meet you at the airport, either for free or for the normal taxi charge. You can also check out the locations of the apartments on Airbnb and contact multiple owners. I'm paying around 63$ a night for a very nice studio 10 minutes walk from the metro. Great price for StPb. Hotel found on booking.com

Took me all of 30 minutes to walk to the metro and get to the train station to travel to that other, very unimportant, so-called southern capital, Moscow.

One of the fast trains. Four hours. Total cost roundtrip about 6500 rubles. Highly recommend the train if your visiting both cities. Professionally run. Comfortable. And you end up in the city, not out at one of the airports. You can buy the tickets on the internet. Carry food and drink with you. They do sell food and drink on the train. Much more expensive. Unfortunately, the seats only recline in the business section. You can also get wifi, but it's only free in the business section.

Although simply taking a 50 minute plane to Moscow ain't bad either. Cost is around the same. I did travel on the train with a colleague, so having company on the train may have been why it left a good impression on me. That and you can use the toilet and walk around any time you want. However all flights, domestic and international, have moved into the new terminal at Pulkovo in St Pb, so the airport experience is much better there now. Bus and small mini bus to the nearest metro is #39.

Had some business the first day, but stayed two extra nights to meet with Natasha Long Blond Hair (175cm/mid 20s) who drove to Moscow to meet with me. We stayed in a hotel which I won't recommend. The price was reasonable for Moscow. 6600 rubles for two nights, but we ended up getting charged extra charges for a variety of petty things.

I met her on Streamate 4 or 5 years ago, when she was a student. Now she has a full time job. She bought an apartment in her city. As I mentioned previously, I'm slowly redecorating her apartment because our agreement is more or less I make a present to her of one part of the renovation each time we meet. This time it is tiles for the floor. Two nights together, three days. 20000 rubles. No idea what will happen when the apartment is finished.

Oddly enough we never met when she was a student working on Streamate. I could never convince her to travel to St Petersburg to meet me. After 3 years or so I just finally accepted her invitation to meet her in her city. Since then (last year) we've met a few times, either in her city (where I stay with her in her apartment) or in Moscow (which she can drive to in a few hours).

So I'd put her in the 'Long game' category. A girl I just couldn't arrange to meet for years, kept in touch with, and finally had success with. Russia can offer all sorts of rewards if your patient.

She has one big downside. She likes Moscow. She even looks forward to going there. She even wants to go there. Takes all kinds.

Anyway, she did bring her car and I was driven around to her favorite haunts and a couple of mine, but none of these were bars or clubs. Just favorite places to eat and walk and such. Neither one of us plays the High-Octane-Moscow game. Though I will say giving her an opportunity to dress up and wear heels is a very good idea. Given the time of year and the holidays, traffic wasn't bad, and the weather was great. It was freezing in St Pb and sunny and relatively warm in Moscow. Go figure. How is it even possible such an awful city can ever have good weather? I can even say not having to navigate the Moscow metro slightly improved my opinion of the city. Its gone from an armpit without deodorant to an armpit with deodorant.

Posting this mostly because of the YummiePL-Ranking-Girls-Looks-What-Is-Your-6-Like-Controversy. In my system, Natasha Long Blond Hair is a solid 6. That's a waking up in the morning and seeing her with no makeup as she makes her way to the toilet 6. You be the judge.

I rode the skoro poezd from Piter to Moscow once, long time ago. We traveled all night. Didn't have wi-fi, just a very quarrelsome dyezhurnaya, but I was able to get a glass of chai in the morning. I actually enjoyed riding the train, and, as you point out, it is very convenient to arrive in the center of the city, as opposed to one of the airports outside of town. If I was in Moscow now, I think it would be interesting to take the train from Moscow to Simferopl. Putin has suggested to the transportation authorities that they should provide inexpensive fares to his new territorial capital, you can get round trip to Simferopl for about half the cost of your ticket to Piter.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1565114]As I mentioned previously, I'm slowly redecorating her apartment because our agreement is more or less I make a present to her of one part of the renovation each time we meet. This time it is tiles for the floor. Two nights together, three days. 20000 rubles. No idea what will happen when the apartment is finished.[/QUOTE]

20,000 руб. for tile? Does that include installation? (of the tile, of course) Is this some kind of work/study project?

[QUOTE]Posting this mostly because of the YummiePL-Ranking-Girls-Looks-What-Is-Your-6-Like-Controversy. In my system, Natasha Long Blond Hair is a solid 6. That's a waking up in the morning and seeing her with no makeup as she makes her way to the toilet 6. You be the judge.[/QUOTE]

Natasha is very nice, certainly a good solid 6, borderline 7. But I don't understand the reference to the long blonde hair, in the photos she looks more like a brunyetka. Maybe it's just the exposure? Still and all, to be honest, as fetching as she is, she doesn't look to have any marked advantage vs. some of Yummy's VK girlfriends. IMHO

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1565087]Walking in Arbat. So much candy around. Beautiful day.[/QUOTE]So, how was your "Victory Day" in Moscow? Did you watch the parade? Hand out flowers to the veterans? See the fireworks? Get your picture taken with Putin?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1565575]So, how was your "Victory Day" in Moscow? Did you watch the parade? Hand out flowers to the veterans? See the fireworks? Get your picture taken with Putin?[/QUOTE]Strav, not like you to forget the St George's Ribbon!

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1565114]Took me all of 30 minutes to walk to the metro and get to the train station to travel to that other, very unimportant, so-called southern capital, Moscow.[/QUOTE]Skwiskwis,

I find your impression of Moscow SO interesting. What makes me laugh, almost out loud, is how your opinion of Moscow is almost exactly like my impression of Saint Petersburg. I go to Pieter one or two times a year and almost always find it to be one big pain in the ass. Which appears to be your impression of Moscow! You are absolutely right, it takes all kinds. Funny how different cities appeal to different people.

BTW. I just returned to Moscow yesterday after two weeks in the USA. Holy cow, what a transformation with respect to weather. I left on April 26th and it still felt like winter. On the Aeroexpress ride into the city from DME I would not help but notice how GREEN everything had gotten in 2 weeks. Whew. Spring has FINALLY arrived. Now all we need is more short skirts and terraces!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1566134]BTW. I just returned to Moscow yesterday after two weeks in the USA. Holy cow, what a transformation with respect to weather. I left on April 26th and it still felt like winter. On the Aeroexpress ride into the city from DME I would not help but notice how GREEN everything had gotten in 2 weeks. Whew. Spring has FINALLY arrived. Now all we need is more short skirts and terraces![/QUOTE]You missed Saturday Jake. It must have been 25-26 degrees and the streets were crawling with girls walking around that were clearly tired of wearing winter clothes. Aparently it had snowed a little this past Wednesday morning.

I missed most of the celebration on Friday because I didn't get into the city until 17:30 and "Ariel" wanted to go back to the apartment soon after I met up with her at 19:30 and we didn't go for dinner until around 02:00.

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Rusland Massage Parlour.

Not so sure about the name. Located in.

Dropped Pin.

Near Krasnoarmeyskaya ulitsa, 10 к1086;1088;1087;1091;1089; 2, Moskva, Russia, 125167.

[URL]http://goo.gl/maps/H86s4[/URL] I found it in [URL]Rusdosug.com[/URL].

Profile I'd 165936.

It's a blue door entrance (glass door) without a sign on it. It took me a while to find it. No need to book, you can just show up.

The lady doing the admin is very nice and friendly but speaks no English whatsoever. Luckily one of the girls did and was happy to help. I got a line up of three girls, all young and Russian and wearing a masseuse outfit. I normally go for experienced ones (actually, I asked the madam if she did massages too, but she didn't). Best next thing was this cute petite blonde, named Yania, aged 20. Big plumpy breasts and small hands. Price was 1,900 rubles (40 EUR, 55 USD) for one hour massage with HJ. For extra 1,000 one can touch at will.

The room was a bit warm (hot summer day) but not uncomfortable. One bed with the usual one-time cover (she threw it away when we were done, in case you, like me, wonder about these things). There was a good shower in the room and a mirror on the ceiling. She gave me a decent massage for the first half an hour. She was playful and relaxed. She was humming to some Russian pop, too. She oiled her boobs and gave me some pecks, licked my ears, that sort of thing. The HJ itself was very good, including tit fuck and, for the first time for me, she straddled me and wanked me with her buttocks. Very nice technique and attitude.

Place: 7/10

Attitude: 8/10

Skill: 7/10

Face: 7/10

Body: 8/10

Overall experience: 7/10 - I will certainly repeat!

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Can anyone recommend an agency in Moscow that speaks English? I've tried calling a few, even the ones that say they speak English on Rusdosug, but they eother speak no english or so little its impossible to set up an appointment.

Thanks

[QUOTE=ElGrecoPhilo;1571419]Can anyone recommend an agency in Moscow that speaks English? I've tried calling a few, even the ones that say they speak English on Rusdosug, but they eother speak no english or so little its impossible to set up an appointment.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Try this one.

[URL]http://sweet-dreams.ru/[/URL]

Tell them Jake sent you.

But be warned, if you are staying in a hotel, they will ask for your name and room number. This is a precaution for them so that they know you are real and not wasting their time on prank call.

I stayed last week at hotel Academicheskaya, Donskaya St. Bld 1.

From 10 PM there until morning there are 3 or 4 up to 7 or 8 pro girls working at the coffee bar-restaurant in the hotel. Not supermodels but cute and friendly.

They are never the same, they stay for one hour looking for client then move. I think they move between different hotels.

Price: 5000 rubles short-time with suck and fuck.

If you do not speak Russian, the night bartender speaks English (he is a Russian with Chinese face, he look as Bruce Lee) and can help you to negociate.

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45 year old male; International Banker based out of NYC & LA last 20+yrs.

I have read many of your posts / pics and am very impressed by the process, strategy and execution of your efforts in enjoying the most beautiful Slavic women in Eastern Europe.

As way of background, I am a typical, US professional living in 2 major cities and for 25 years was blindly following the usual course of dating average / above average women, with the usual baggage, drama, disappointment of dating modern western women (have to be GF, dinners, vacations, presents, etc).

Recent sexual conquest history.

My #s were probably pretty typical, sleeping with 1 woman per year from my age 20-40; 75% were average 6-7.5 and 25% were above average with a few models and some yoga type babes ranging in age from 24-34. Total: 20 women over 20 years.

In 2010 I made a radical change, and embraced online dating with a "numbers game" strategy and over the next 4 years slept with 60 women ('10:4; '11:4; '12:24; '13:17; '14:9). The vast majority were under 30,7-8.5; and about 10 gals in the 9-10 range, including 1 Hollywood actress and 6-8 models with major agencies. Long story, short if you are willing to show up for about 96 dates per year, and cut / paste 50 emails per day (18,000/ yr) and fail 99.9% of the time then you can bag 20+ women (civilians) a year. Total 60 women in 4 years.

Caveat: even limiting my spending to 1 drink per 45 min. Date at $25, I still was spending $2,500 per year and have dropped $10 K over 4 years to really only get about 8-10 Women that are truly 9-10 Slavic quality. Total $ spent is probably 25% higher as some were keepers and led to 1-3 months of dinners, in-home liquor, food, entertainment etc. That adds up!

Recent Epiphany: Out of 80 Women Slavic Women are the 10's.

When I look back on the 80 women I have banged; the hottest hands down were the Russian, Polish, Bulgarian, Romanian, Ukrainian, Slavic Women who most looked like models, had amazing cheek-bones, almond / doe eyes, thick hair; real huge boobs, swivel-hips with large pussy gaps; long legs, amazing labia, ultra feminine and where perpetually wet.

Keep in mind, I was living the successful bachelor life with elite finance job, Soho loft, Hollywood Hills, sports cars, etc. And still the number of 10's you actually end up banging remains low. This is true both in NYC (home of runway models) and LA (home of Hollywood starlets). Further, recently even after hiring about a 5 Escorts for $500 here in USA, the quality was not high, save the 1 Russian 35 yo.

I have recently concluded at age 45, my ability to actually get 9-10's going forward is random at best. The reals 10's are either UCLA co-eds or porn stars, strippers, or hookers that require $10 K+all-in herein LA or NYC.

Having, gone thru some recent chronic health issues, I have realized if I don't enjoy the 9-10's of Russia today; I may not be able to at 50-65!

So this brings me to planning on visiting Russia and exploring the 9-10's!

Advice Sought.

-Given my background, will I find what I am looking for in Moscow? Or should I just keep doing what I am doing?

-Are 9-10's still availabe in Top Hotel Lobbies for $500-750-1000 and is that for whole night?

-What's Mamba? An escort site or sponsor / sponsorette site?

-Whats Rus-dog? an escort site?

-What should I budget for total 7 day trip to Moscow?

Air: $1500.

Hotel: $500/ night.

Food / drink?

Cars / Taxi / Transfer.

Escorts (10's): $750-$1500.

-What's Best Hotel for Lobby Girls?

-What's best Club for 10's (NF?

-What's best Sauna Girls?

-What's status of STDs?

-What's VISA process?

-What's best way to handle money: cash withdrawal at ATMs? Credit Cards? Western Banks?

-What's current safety situation? I have traveled all over Europe, South / Latin America and have hired prostitutes in Rio and been to Prague.

Thanks for advice in advance and sorry for rambling nature of post.

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[QUOTE=KaveMan;1572595]Hello,

Intro.

I am a new Member.

45 year old male; International Banker based out of NYC & LA last 20+yrs.

I have read many of your posts / pics and am very impressed by the process, strategy and execution of your efforts in enjoying the most beautiful Slavic women in Eastern Europe.

As way of background, I am a typical, US professional living in 2 major cities and for 25 years was blindly following the usual course of dating average / above average women, with the usual baggage, drama, disappointment of dating modern western women (have to be GF, dinners, vacations, presents, etc).

Recent sexual conquest history.
[/QUOTE]Kave Man,

Thanks for the detailed intro.

First, let me say that the 9-10's of yesteryear in hotel lobbies are long gone. Let's just get that out there.

These girls are now in elite nightclubs which are guarded by large men called "Face Control". These dudes are paid to keep people like us out of the places frequented by 9-10's and the uber-rich Russian financiers and Oligarchs who pay to keep them well heeled and on stand-by for their entertainment. OK. Maybe that's a gross over generalization but for the most part it's true. The 9-10 Slavic beauties are not longer motivated to hang out waiting for the attention (and money) of foreigners. And those who are pre-disposed to foreigners are long gone. The real 9-10's of runway model quality don't need to try. That kind of talent gets scooped up quickly and placed beyond our reach by the Russian monied class.

Having said all of that, there are massive volumes of 7-8's everywhere. And this group is craving attention from good quality men in a very big way regardless of where we are from. It appears that you have the same work ethic as our friend YummyPL. I suggest you search the forum and follow his exploits to get the best ideas.

I cannot stress enough, the fact that the Russian 9-10's have learned quickly from their Western sisters and are out of reach in the P4 P circles and even the normal dating circles. But if you set your sights correctly, there are more than enough targets to satisfy your needs.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1572595]Hello,

Intro.

I am a new Member.

45 year old male; International Banker based out of NYC & LA last 20+yrs.

I have read many of your posts / pics and am very impressed by the process, strategy and execution of your efforts in enjoying the most beautiful Slavic women in Eastern Europe.

As way of background, I am a typical, US professional living in 2 major cities and for 25 years was blindly following the usual course of dating average / above average women, with the usual baggage, drama, disappointment of dating modern western women (have to be GF, dinners, vacations, presents, etc).

Recent sexual conquest history.

My #s were probably pretty typical, sleeping with 1 woman per year from my age 20-40; 75% were average 6-7.5 and 25% were above average with a few models and some yoga type babes ranging in age from 24-34. Total: 20 women over 20 years...[/QUOTE]Kaveman,

Sounds like you have a deem life. I have a question. You mentioned recent health issues. Did you catch any STD's from these woman? Meaning is that the cause of your current health issues? I agree with you Russian woman the the hottest. But I will also add for as beautiful as they are their service usually sucks and they are expensive.

Hello KaveMan,

Try those girls linked below.

[URL]https://www.dosug.cz/ru/e/[/URL]

They are high-end prostitutes in Moscow but photos are real.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1572654]Kaveman,

Sounds like you have a deem life. I have a question. You mentioned recent health issues. Did you catch any STD's from these woman? Meaning is that the cause of your current health issues? I agree with you Russian woman the the hottest. But I will also add for as beautiful as they are their service usually sucks and they are expensive.[/QUOTE]Health issue is herniated disk; have had it 15 years but in last 4 years it got.

Really bad, to the point where you can't even stand or get out of bed.

It's stress related; however with exercise / stretching and removing stress it goes away.

Makes you think long and hard that if I can't jack-hammer and pound.

Like I used to then what's life for. You make changes in life. I moved to LA!

Re: STDs.

Just had a full panel done, all negative. From 20 to 40 always used a condom. Once had a BJ in Paris.

From a 1 night stand and got gonorrhea. Last 60 chicks were no condom; many on periods, squirters, anal, etc. All were white collar professional girls 20-29 from [URL]match.com[/URL]; no minorities, older women 35+, fat chicks or bar skanks. The STD thing is a bit overblown; have to just look for signs and avoid the sluts.

Re: Dream life.

Banging 60 women /4 years is life altering; 5 once in a month. Keep in mind I book 8 dates per month.

And 6 are busts. The worse are the 9+ that you lose on 1 yard line from wrong word.

Not having condom, flakes, to performance issues! Sometimes I would look fwd to cancellations.

And having take-out at home with a movie! Truthfully, it gets to be an obsessive / compulsive thing and you have to manage the quality so you are really in 8-10 zone. The high end Moscow pros in 9-10 range seem unworldly.

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[QUOTE=JonyB;1572801]Hello KaveMan,

Try those girls linked below.

[URL]https://www.dosug.cz/ru/e/[/URL]

They are high-end prostitutes in Moscow but photos are real.[/QUOTE]Thanks!

What's pricing??

Does this website have English option.

Jake,

Are the 7-8's, skinny, tall, and young 25. I'm fine with a skinny 8; the muffin top, pear shaped, short gals.

In USA are really not fun.

Also, re: the 9-10's in face-control clubs; can they be hired or are they behind velvet ropes like any 9-10's in NYC, London, Paris?

Visiting the so-called southern capital again this weekend. Making some transfer arrangements and thought to mention:

Aeroexpress for anyone looking for a fast and inexpensive way to get from the airports to Moscow (and back). I know for sure you can take it from Sherm and Dom airports. Cost is 340 rubles if you book it online (and you can book a ticket from home using a credit card). You will receive an e-ticket in the mail. Just save it to your phone and pass the QR code over the Turnstile reader. The Dom airport transfer goes to Paveletsky rail terminal and the Sherm airport transfer goes to Bellorussky. Then just take the metro. The Sherm trains run every 30 minutes and take about 35 minutes. There are plenty of signs at the airport directing you to the the aeroexpress station. The airport transfer at the hotel I'm staying at is 2500 rubles for comparison and the trip could take anywhere from 1-2 hours or longer, depending on traffic. On a related note, Moscow is using metro cards now, not tokens, which you can buy at the metro station in a machine (overpriced) or at the kiosk. I think you can also buy them at the aeroexpress ticket office.

Don't recommend it for first-timers as the Moscow metro can be intimidating. I was going to call it a chaotic mess and an earthly manifestation of purgatory, but changed my mind. Be forewarned, the Moscow metro does NOT have English signs (and yes, the civilized, true cultural capital of Russia DOES).

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1553566]Strav asked me to write a little bit about my planning and methodology for meeting my 'freebies. '

First, I will say that I use a dating website with paid subscriptions. It is not inexpensive but as my friend described it, it is a 'goldmine' of women. ' Two other notes is that the website does not charge the women so there are a lot of flakes. Second, the website shares its database across several websites (I know of at least 4) and the website the girls go to is likely to be called something different than the one you go to.

I have built a profile for myself that has 4 pictures. One formal, one casual, one of me at the pool to show my body, and one with my horses. I have chosen pictures that I think show off my best features but that are easily recognizable as me. I am not a handsome or pretty guy, I don't look young, but I have a good body for my age. I actually write very little about myself in my profile. I don't mention my drinking or smoking habits as I adjust those to the girls I am seeing. I say that I am 42 but I am 46. I have been considering changing it to 39 as I think it would make a difference, but I look older than that..[/QUOTE]Yummy,

We are probably related via Genghis Khan back 2500 years ago.

I am running exact same method on a large US dating site with cut / paste (filter white, 18-29, slender, 75 mile radius).

-50 emails per day (site limit);.

-1,500 per mo.

-18,000 per yr.

Basically its 15-20 outbound emails (double tap, paste, send) at coffee, lunch, & dinner times.

I am generally able to secure 4-8 dates per month and bang 1-2.

I have 12 pics (casual, suit, pics of me racing cars, travel shots, pics of Loft / Apt in background, pics with 2 hot women / me in center).

So my hit rate is like 0.13% gross (2/1500); but 25% (2/8) net of dates that actually show up.

My spend is $25 for first date; and usually transition back to home for $5 frozen pizza, $19 Litre Cuervo (lasts 1 mo); $1 Limes and condom (optional). I always bang on first date or pass.

Most guys can't believe this results in banging 12-24 women under 30 in 1 year. But, the level of female debauchery is quite high; in my experience 66% of women are happy to fuck on first date or even in first 2 hours!

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1572967]On a related note, Moscow is using metro cards now, not tokens, which you can buy at the metro station in a machine (overpriced) or at the kiosk. I think you can also buy them at the aeroexpress ticket office.

Don't recommend it for first-timers as the Moscow metro can be intimidating. I was going to call it a chaotic mess and an earthly manifestation of purgatory, but changed my mind. Be forewarned, the Moscow metro does NOT have English signs (and yes, the civilized, true cultural capital of Russia DOES).[/QUOTE]Having been a denizen of NYC for some years, I found myself right at home in the Moscow Metro. Not sure if that's a positive endorsement of the Metro, or not. It's by far the best way to get around town. It's been years since they used tokens, but you still need to be able to read the Cyrillic alphabet to navigate it properly. Actually there is some English in the Metro, I noticed the individual line maps posted in the cars have English translations of the station names (as I recall), so that's a big help--assuming you can find your way onto the right train.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1573054] Actually there is some English in the Metro, I noticed the individual line maps posted in the cars have English translations of the station names (as I recall), so that's a big help--assuming you can find your way onto the right train.[/QUOTE]Strav,

Come on man, he's baiting you...

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1572886]Jake,

Are the 7-8's, skinny, tall, and young 25. I'm fine with a skinny 8; the muffin top, pear shaped, short gals.

In USA are really not fun.

Also, re: the 9-10's in face-control clubs; can they be hired or are they behind velvet ropes like any 9-10's in NYC, London, Paris?[/QUOTE]KaveMan,

Russian girls in Moscow come in all shapes and sizes. But yes, there are more than enough tall skinny 7-8's.

Regarding 9-10's, they are not for hire in the way you might be thinking. Make no mistake, they are being compensated for their time but not on a per transaction basis. In other words, they are not working girls that can be hired. These are "kept women" who typically have a sponsor (or a boyfriend, God forbid) who pays for an apartment, gives them money for clothes, etc in exchange for being "available". So to answer your question directly, yes they ARE behind velvet ropes. Ten years ago this was not the case.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1573179]Strav,

Come on man, he's baiting you...[/QUOTE]
Or perhaps Strav is baiting him... :-)

I was successful on the metro on my first trip. By my third trip I found it easy to navigate. It is really the best way to get around the city but it closes around 01:00 so not the best for going out late at night. It is about $1 USD to go as far as you want to go and you can go to the kiosk and hand them money and show on you hand the number of credits you want if you cannot tell them in Russian. It is pretty important (but not essential) that you at least have a decent understanding of Cyrillic and helpful to know where you are going before you get there. I have an English metro map on my phone. Jake has a great app on his phone that will tell you the best route for a particular destination.

Jake, can you tell us the name of the app that you use?

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1573295]Or perhaps Strav is baiting him... :-)

I was successful on the metro on my first trip. By my third trip I found it easy to navigate. It is really the best way to get around the city but it closes around 01:00 so not the best for going out late at night. It is about $1 USD to go as far as you want to go and you can go to the kiosk and hand them money and show on you hand the number of credits you want if you cannot tell them in Russian. It is pretty important (but not essential) that you at least have a decent understanding of Cyrillic and helpful to know where you are going before you get there. I have an English metro map on my phone. Jake has a great app on his phone that will tell you the best route for a particular destination.

Jake, can you tell us the name of the app that you use?[/QUOTE]I agree with Yummy.

You just need the basic map in your pocket (You will usually have some pockets because you have to wear a coat most of the time there). I think if you have a good working navigation, car is best for night but for daytime don't even aprroach it.

Look at this well prepared schema and thank God that you are there at the moment.

By the way for the dating site issue.

I need an example letter to send by copy and past. I am usually just putting the girl's name to beginning and I believe it increases your chance to be replied. And of course it takes time and patience. I am not sure maybe just copy and paste is a better way.

So, I have read thru this thread back to 2006.

Am I correct to assume that Moscow today is basically a sexual tourism destination where one will find average prostitutes in the 6-7 range and have to pay up ($750-1000) for anything above the 8 range?

This seems like Moscow is no different than Rio, Bangkok or even Vegas. On an apples to apples to basis once you factor in air / land / incidentals your spend is same as an Western cityfor an escort, without increase in quality?

I must be missing something.

Only draw I see is volume (ie, banging 7 gals in 7 days) or banging 18-19 yo when your 50+?

Running cold street-game, in terms of meeting the massive quantity of 7-8's, clearly takes time, experience and money; but, may be no different than offering Gals in an any EU country opportunity to meet a successful Western Man and visit him in USA (which many in their 20's are happy to do v. $350+/ night hotels).

Again, if these massive quantity of 7-8's are just much "easier" than Western gals then I get it.

For me, the whole point of visiting Moscow / Kiev in past was for elite Women. If they are under lock / key then its no different than London / Paris / NYC.

P.S., So are the top hotel Lobbies deserted, ie, no escorts OR are there African, Asian, 6's now there?

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1573491]

I must be missing something.
[/QUOTE]Whadda ya think, Yummy? Is the man missing something?

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1573491]

Again, if these massive quantity of 7-8's are just much "easier" than Western gals then I get it.

[/QUOTE]It is still a lot of work but they are "easier.".

I think you are likely to do better in Ukraine--especially now. I will switch to Ukraine when (and if) I ween myself off my current stable of girls.

For me the hunt is as much fun as the prize. If I just wanted the prize, there are plenty of eastern European 8's in German FKKs and the price is good. I got bored fucking prostitutes in 2012 when my count went into the absurd numbers.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1572967]Visiting the so-called southern capital again this weekend. Making some transfer arrangements and thought to mention:

Aeroexpress for anyone looking for a fast and inexpensive way to get from the airports to Moscow (and back). I know for sure you can take it from Sherm and Dom airports. Cost is 340 rubles if you book it online (and you can book a ticket from home using a credit card). You will receive an e-ticket in the mail. Just save it to your phone and pass the QR code over the Turnstile reader. The Dom airport transfer goes to Paveletsky rail terminal and the Sherm airport transfer goes to Bellorussky. Then just take the metro. The Sherm trains run every 30 minutes and take about 35 minutes. There are plenty of signs at the airport directing you to the the aeroexpress station. The airport transfer at the hotel I'm staying at is 2500 rubles for comparison and the trip could take anywhere from 1-2 hours or longer, depending on traffic. On a related note, Moscow is using metro cards now, not tokens, which you can buy at the metro station in a machine (overpriced) or at the kiosk. I think you can also buy them at the aeroexpress ticket office.

Don't recommend it for first-timers as the Moscow metro can be intimidating. I was going to call it a chaotic mess and an earthly manifestation of purgatory, but changed my mind. Be forewarned, the Moscow metro does NOT have English signs (and yes, the civilized, true cultural capital of Russia DOES).[/QUOTE]The AeroExpress and the metro are by far the most efficent, fast and cheap way to go anywhere... That is the reason why in all business ads, visit carts, and so on usually there is the name of closer metro station. Only residential area outside / outskirts Moscow has no easy access to metro. Moscow governement is almost opening a new station each month.

Mind that indication are in Russian only. Most station have two exit, some more... On ground of lots of railways going via Moscow, you might get out on one side and be in one city part, on the other seems another continent. If you start learning the cyrillic letters it's quite easy and rational, of course intimidatig the firt time. Buy a 10 run card it's around 6/7 euro, and you slip to queue all the times...

Bus tickets are separate as tram ones. In the periferic areas where the metro stations are 3-4 km each othere there is always a minibus that carries you between the stations...

If there are real traffic jams (not present only on Sunday morning)... Travelling by metro and bus you can save hours... From airports (all three are served SVO, DME, VKO) to a point in the City usually it takes no more than 1.15 or 1.30 by car (I did it and nearly lost the plane) it can take even 3 hours... The only problem is the baggage... In the internal corridors and for smaller level differences between lines often there is no escalator...

IT.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1573295]Or perhaps Strav is baiting him... :-)

I was successful on the metro on my first trip. By my third trip I found it easy to navigate. It is really the best way to get around the city but it closes around 01:00 so not the best for going out late at night. It is about $1 USD to go as far as you want to go and you can go to the kiosk and hand them money and show on you hand the number of credits you want if you cannot tell them in Russian. It is pretty important (but not essential) that you at least have a decent understanding of Cyrillic and helpful to know where you are going before you get there. I have an English metro map on my phone. Jake has a great app on his phone that will tell you the best route for a particular destination.

Jake, can you tell us the name of the app that you use?[/QUOTE]If you have an iPhone, got to App Store and search on Yandex Metro. It's free and fabulous.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1573491]
I must be missing something.
[/QUOTE]I don't think you are missing anything, but you should understand that Moscow is not what it once was.

Ten years ago you could walk down the street and wink at a cute girl and it was 50:50 that she would stop and chat with. And once she found out you were looking for sex, there was an even chance that if she did not offer to fuck you for $100, she would have a friend who would be happy to fuck you. Sex for money was just not that big a deal back then. As Moscow's economy has strengthened, so too have standards. Not necessarily moral standards, but the whole mystique of fucking a foreigner is not what it used to be with Moscow girls. Out in the provinces things are still a lot more liberal than in Moscow however.

As far as a 9-10's go, let me describe the situation. In 2005, on my first trip to Moscow, you could visit Night Flight (AKA Swedish Embassy) on a Tuesday night and see NO FEWER than five or six 9-10's (in a sea of 7-8's) hanging out wanting to chat with you. And not only were these girls drop dead gorgeous but they could speak English quite well. And $300 was MORE than enough to have them come home with you and spend the night. The WHOLE night. And if you were in a decent hotel and let her order room service she might NEVER leave. These girls were mostly university students in their early 20's with the odd hardened pro lurking about in the back.

Today, you can go to Night Flight and you are lucky to find 6-7's. And these girls can hardly speak English. Some of them are still the same hardened pros from 10 years ago!! Plus they all want $500 (minimum) for only a few hours. Today, the 9-10's just don't NEED to engage in that kind of transaction. There is is MUCH more money in being a "sponsor girl" which means that she is the mistress of some guy with a lot of money who will pay her rent plus give her $3,000 to $10,000 a month for clothes, make up, gym membership and whatever. Some of these girls are students and some are just professional mistresses. You can see hordes of these women in certain cafes on weekends. They sit around all dressed drinking cocktails and cappuccinos waiting for a phone call from Mr. X. And those who are not mistresses are dating rich guys or are married to them. Being a hot girl in Moscow means that you can get WHATEVER you want. I'm sad to report it but I believe this to be the case.

I agree with Yummy, it's more fun to hunt down a normal girl who might not be a 9-10!!

BTW - this is my 1,000th POST!!!!!! Whooo hooooo - Jackson, do I get some sort of prize?

[QUOTE=Jake993;1574190]There is is MUCH more money in being a "sponsor girl" which means that she is the mistress of some guy with a lot of money who will pay her rent plus give her $3,000 to $10,000 a month for clothes, make up, gym membership and whatever. Some of these girls are students and some are just professional mistresses. You can see hordes of these women in certain cafes on weekends. They sit around all dressed drinking cocktails and cappuccinos waiting for a phone call from Mr. X. And those who are not mistresses are dating rich guys or are married to them. Being a hot girl in Moscow means that you can get WHATEVER you want. I'm sad to report it but I believe this to be the case.[/QUOTE]So, I'm curious...

I'm sure what you say is very true, that the good old days when just about any woman in Russia would be happy to go with a foreigner for a fistful of cash, or even a Sneekerz bar, are over. The economy in Russia, or at least inside the MKAD, has improved to the extent that a young Russian woman, 9 or 10, has many other options for herself. And that those women who have the necessary assets can parlay them into a very comfortable life.

But I'm also sure that, of the total population of 9's and 10's, there is some percentage who do not want to be "kept", for whatever reason. They want to make their own way and do their own thing, particularly after they have their diplome.

Where would you expect to find these women? Where would they be likely to hang out?


BTW - Congrats on your 1,000th post. I hereby award you the Grand No-Prize. :)

Well, what I am hearing is that:

-Moscow is good for dating locals / street game in 7-8 range.

-Moscow is good for 6-7's Escorts in the $500 range.

-Moscow is good for online-dating 18-22, where not possible elsewhere.

V. USA.

For $500 ($700 all in) you can get an Escort off Eros for same.

Online dating produces seas of 6-7's, many happy with 1 drink / fuck /1 mi. From house.

You can run USA game 24/7/365 v. 1-3/ yr.

Again, not judging, just like to do due diligence v. Mirages.

Still, will go see for myself..happy to spend $1500 for elite Slavic v. 3, 6-7's. That Sauna story is worth the trip alone and I like old world Russian food from Borscht. Stuffed Cabbage, Beef Stroganoff.

Under Regrets, yes I shoud have gone to Moscow in 2004 & 2005 & 2006 instead of going to St. Tropez, Santa Monica, Monaco! Damn & double Damn.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1574302]

-Moscow is good for dating locals / street game in 7-8 range.

-Moscow is good for 6-7's Escorts in the $500 range.

-Moscow is good for online-dating 18-22, where not possible elsewhere.

V. USA.

For $500 ($700 all in) you can get an Escort off Eros for same.

Online dating produces seas of 6-7's, many happy with 1 drink / fuck /1 mi. From house.

You can run USA game 24/7/365 v. 1-3/ yr.

Again, not judging, just like to do due diligence v. Mirages.

Still, will go see for myself..happy to spend $1500 for elite Slavic v. 3, 6-7's. That Sauna story is worth the trip alone and I like old world Russian food from Borscht. Stuffed Cabbage, Beef Stroganoff.

Under Regrets, yes I shoud have gone to Moscow in 2004 & 2005 & 2006 instead of going to St. Tropez, Santa Monica, Monaco! Damn & double Damn.[/QUOTE]This is not a dispute of your observations, just wondering why you or anyone would fail to consider so many other attractive options than ONLY one city in a country of many destinations. If you would go to all the trouble to fly there, unless you are stuck in the capital because of work, why limit yourself to the easiest choice, where you are clearly going to find yourself in the midst of many other international travelers, businessmen, and men of means, all looking for the same thing? Yes, its true that Moscow also attracts the greatest number of ladies from the provinces and other countries too, in search of financial opportunities, but according to your own calculations, they will be expecting more there too.

The point of arriving at Sheremetyevo, but then NOT looking at the domestic departures board, to peruse all the connections where Aeroflot can deliver you to, or arriving at Domodedovo, but NOT stirring your imagination considering all those places where S7 can connect you to, doesn't make much sense. I don't mean to infer that Moscow is not a great destination, it clearly is the center of the universe. But it's only the beginning.

It's just that when I read your Clarifications, I'm baffled that such comparisons are intended to illustrate that the US is a valid comparison and worth mentioning as a mongering option stacked against Russia? You make it sound like mongering in Russia, can be matched at the quality levels and price points of ladies in the US. Yes, I get it, that you meant JUST Moscow, but I have to stick my foot in here to say, wait a minute.

Consider that you could simply get back on another flight to connect to one of many provincial capitals, and in that one step, all YOUR clarifications go right out the window. Within the standard quality deviations of University and Institute ladies, 7's, 8's, and 9's, I found myself with more GFE relationships than I could handle in the range of sponsorships between 6000 and 10000 rubles (172 to $292). Almost every day, I was blessed with such abundance, enough to have tell ladies that I could not see them again, because I was already busy. Considering a quality apartment in the center can run $80 per day, there's no need to pay twice or three times that for a hotel.

Damn yourself, double and triple, there's no need for regrets. No, you can't go back in time to 2005, but why waste time looking back? It won't get you anywhere.

Instead, you can go forward, buy a ticket, board a connecting flight, keep going, move out of your comfort zone.

It's not called the glorious Motherland for nothing, or by accident.

Not to take anything away from the capital, Moscow will always be THE place that attracts the best and the brightest.

But also the most expensive, the worst traffic, and the least real, pragmatic, and unpretentious.

[QUOTE=SukaShalava;1574646]This is not a dispute of your observations, just wondering why you or anyone would fail to consider so many other attractive options than ONLY one city in a country of many destinations. If you would go to all the trouble to fly there, unless you are stuck in the capital because of work, why limit yourself to the easiest choice, where you are clearly going to find yourself in the midst of many other international travelers, businessmen, and men of means, all looking for the same thing? Yes, its true that Moscow also attracts the greatest number of ladies from the provinces and other countries too, in search of financial opportunities, but according to your own calculations, they will be expecting more there too.

The point of arriving at Sheremetyevo, but then NOT looking at the domestic departures board, to peruse all the connections where Aeroflot can deliver you to, or arriving at Domodedovo, but NOT stirring your imagination considering all those places where S7 can connect you to, doesn't make much sense. I don't mean to infer that Moscow is not a great destination, it clearly is the center of the universe. But it's only the beginning.

It's just that when I read your Clarifications, I'm baffled that such comparisons are intended to illustrate that the US is a valid comparison and worth mentioning as a mongering option stacked against Russia? You make it sound like mongering in Russia, can be matched at the quality levels and price points of ladies in the US. Yes, I get it, that you meant JUST Moscow, but I have to stick my foot in here to say, wait a minute.

Consider that you could simply get back on another flight to connect to one of many provincial capitals, and in that one step, all YOUR clarifications go right out the window. Within the standard quality deviations of University and Institute ladies, 7's, 8's, and 9's, I found myself with more GFE relationships than I could handle in the range of sponsorships between 6000 and 10000 rubles (172 to $292). Almost every day, I was blessed with such abundance, enough to have tell ladies that I could not see them again, because I was already busy. Considering a quality apartment in the center can run $80 per day, there's no need to pay twice or three times that for a hotel.

Damn yourself, double and triple, there's no need for regrets. No, you can't go back in time to 2005, but why waste time looking back? It won't get you anywhere.

Instead, you can go forward, buy a ticket, board a connecting flight, keep going, move out of your comfort zone.

It's not called the glorious Motherland for nothing, or by accident.

Not to take anything away from the capital, Moscow will always be THE place that attracts the best and the brightest.

But also the most expensive, the worst traffic, and the least real, pragmatic, and unpretentious. [/QUOTE]Amazing reply.

Yes, just go elsewhere, but even in Moscow outskirts (I always live in a suite, two rooms, 45 square meters, for 100 , 25 min metro and it's OK) you can find clerks, jobless, maids, barmaid etc etc, but my favourite are students. Usually cultured in 18-22 area giving real GFE (you see real wet swollen pussy labia! Let's say in the 200 euro range.

If you do your proper homework you do not need to go to Night Flight and pay 30-50 kRUR for some hours with a girl that is like a log in bed. If you want you can find next door naive home gown teenies in hunt of some $ or , may be not stunners, but usually very effective in bed. And fucking like rabbits.

Moscow is like New York (even more sophisticated in my opinion). Go after the Urals. Get in a small city (less than half million) and you get easy in bed with students.

Another great place to drill is Ukraine. Specially now where no foreigners at all, Kiev is safe. Even Russia got a fall of foreigner, but there is a pussy market for locals.

You can even have fun with two. Almost all Russian girls have no problem in doing threesomes (light lesbian. No pussy licking).

KaveMan is writing about 2004 and so.

The golden age was between 1991 and 1997. Still remember a week spent with two sisters (18 and 20) for something like 800 USD. Great time.


IT.

Just concluded a weekend (business) visit to the alleged southern "capital, or, as Moscow is affectionately known in St. Petersburg, 'karova bez mozgov. '.

And brains, and what Moscow does to brains and the psyche, is the topic of this post.

Flew in on Friday from the US via Amsterdam. Arrived at Sheremetyevo on a KLM flight. Took the Aeroexpress to Belorussky Train Station and then took the metro to the hotel (Best Western Vega). 35 minutes on Aeroexpress and then around 40 or so to get to the hotel. I had purchased the Aeroexpress ticket on the internet site prior to arrival (340 rubles; it's 400 if you buy it at the airport). Hotel was fine. Price was reasonable for Moscow. About 5 minutes from the nearest metro. If you need to buy a metro card all you have to do is walk up to the window in the metro station and use your fingers to indicate how many trips you want on the card. Kitchen Russian is optional. Unfortunately, to return, I had to arrange a car at the hotel: 2500 rubles for the return trip to Sherm Airport.

Shower and short rest and then back on the metro to meet Natasha Very Short Blue Hair. She came via train (1400 rubles for the ticket) from a city not too far from Moscow. Natasha Very Short Blue Hair has also met me in St Petersburg. Attached are two photos of her for comparison of the effect the two cities have on the human psyche. In the one from Moscow you can see the city has started damaging her psyche and turning her morose and religious and in the one from Petersburg you can see she is joyful and smiling and agnostic.

Saturday we went to Pushkin Cafe. Recommend a reservation on the second floor if you want some privacy.

Prior to arriving, Natasha Very Short Blue Hair had indicated she wanted to visit a "church, Matrona Moskovskaya, she's always wanted to go to in Moscow. And so on Sunday we went, and the negative effects of the city were in full effect. She was determined to see the relics and icons, place candles by each, kiss each, and otherwise queue up (the queues were outrageous - 1. 5 hours to get to one of the icons; almost 3 to see the relics; 30 minutes just to buy candles). It turned out her church was a huge monastery. Now I know what your thinking: How could I possibly stand in queues for so long with a glum girl who had dressed very conservatively on a hot day and was even wearing a head scarf so as not to offend the spirits of the monastery (or whatever the reason is all the women wear head scarves), well, as it turned out Natasha Very Short Blue Hair struck up conversations with people in the queues, asked them to save our places, and then we went off to visit other parts of the monastery, place even more candles, kiss even more icons, and even went to lunch. Fortunately, Natasha Very Short Blue hair retained enough brain matter to game the system.

So the lesson here is beware if a girl asks you to visit a church with her in Moscow. The negative effects of the city are such that they will turn her into a devout icon kissing, candle placing, relics obsessed tourist and you might find yourself foot sore.

Met Natasha Very Short Blue Hair at a birthday party for a (Russian) friend she was visiting in Petersburg, so I suppose you could put her in the category of girls you can meet if you visit Russia and participate in local social events. She was studying English at the time and was thrilled to practice her English with me at the party and then we exchanged numbers and VK info. We kept in touch and I invited her to visit Petersburg again and we went thru the song and dance of, 'but I don't have any place to say, 'you can stay with me, 'I don't have money for a ticket, yada yada yada. Our relationship currently is I pay for her tickets (of course) and give her presents, usually rubles (15000 this time) and something else (this time it was perfume and vitamins and shoes). She stayed with me from Friday evening until Monday morning.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1575264] I had to arrange a car at the hotel: 2500 rubles for the return trip to Sherm Airport. [/QUOTE]Why was it necessary to return to the airport by car? Why not take the train? Is it not practical for a return trip? Conflict with your flight schedule?

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1575264]Just concluded a weekend (business) visit to the alleged southern "capital, or, as Moscow is affectionately known in St. Petersburg, 'karova bez mozgov. '.

And brains, and what Moscow does to brains and the psyche, is the topic of this post.

Flew in on Friday from the US via Amsterdam. Arrived at Sheremetyevo on a KLM flight. Took the Aeroexpress to Belorussky Train Station and then took the metro to the hotel (Best Western Vega). 35 minutes on Aeroexpress and then around 40 or so to get to the hotel. I had purchased the Aeroexpress ticket on the internet site prior to arrival (340 rubles; it's 400 if you buy it at the airport). Hotel was fine. Price was reasonable for Moscow. About 5 minutes from the nearest metro. If you need to buy a metro card all you have to do is walk up to the window in the metro station and use your fingers to indicate how many trips you want on the card. Kitchen Russian is optional. Unfortunately, to return, I had to arrange a car at the hotel: 2500 rubles for the return trip to Sherm Airport.

Shower and short rest and then back on the metro to meet Natasha Very Short Blue Hair. She came via train (1400 rubles for the ticket) from a city not too far from Moscow. Natasha Very Short Blue Hair has also met me in St Petersburg. Attached are two photos of her for comparison of the effect the two cities have on the human psyche. In the one from Moscow you can see the city has started damaging her psyche and turning her morose and religious and in the one from Petersburg you can see she is joyful and smiling and agnostic.

Saturday we went to Pushkin Cafe. Recommend a reservation on the second floor if you want some privacy.

Prior to arriving, Natasha Very Short Blue Hair had indicated she wanted to visit a "church, Matrona Moskovskaya, she's always wanted to go to in Moscow. And so on Sunday we went, and the negative effects of the city were in full effect. She was determined to see the relics and icons, place candles by each, kiss each, and otherwise queue up (the queues were outrageous - 1. 5 hours to get to one of the icons; almost 3 to see the relics; 30 minutes just to buy candles). It turned out her church was a huge monastery. Now I know what your thinking: How could I possibly stand in queues for so long with a glum girl who had dressed very conservatively on a hot day and was even wearing a head scarf so as not to offend the spirits of the monastery (or whatever the reason is all the women wear head scarves), well, as it turned out Natasha Very Short Blue Hair struck up conversations with people in the queues, asked them to save our places, and then we went off to visit other parts of the monastery, place even more candles, kiss even more icons, and even went to lunch. Fortunately, Natasha Very Short Blue hair retained enough brain matter to game the system.

So the lesson here is beware if a girl asks you to visit a church with her in Moscow. The negative effects of the city are such that they will turn her into a devout icon kissing, candle placing, relics obsessed tourist and you might find yourself foot sore.

Met Natasha Very Short Blue Hair at a birthday party for a (Russian) friend she was visiting in Petersburg, so I suppose you could put her in the category of girls you can meet if you visit Russia and participate in local social events. She was studying English at the time and was thrilled to practice her English with me at the party and then we exchanged numbers and VK info. We kept in touch and I invited her to visit Petersburg again and we went thru the song and dance of, 'but I don't have any place to say, 'you can stay with me, 'I don't have money for a ticket, yada yada yada. Our relationship currently is I pay for her tickets (of course) and give her presents, usually rubles (15000 this time) and something else (this time it was perfume and vitamins and shoes). She stayed with me from Friday evening until Monday morning. [/QUOTE]Nice story and as usual, the "FREE" pussy is never really free is it? LOL.

PC out.

Thanks for replies.

Please list other Capitals outside of Moscow worthy of visits for undiscovered 18-19 yo and 9-10's.

One side note. I think in all this hopping on jets and international mongering, many of you have overlooked the pussy right underneath your noses.

Online USA dating sites are an untapped gold mine of home-mongering. I realize many of you monger away from home for anonymity, escape, or maybe even fantasy.

Nevertheless, not banging Women for $25 in any Metro area near you is akin to using a telegraph for txting. I realize many of you will say I don't have time for the 1500 txts (yeah thats15 double-taps with coffee) OR showing up for 8 dates because I have important things to do like watch TV or go to bars!

Trust me banging 20's gals is fun at home too. Match even has a Russian language option you can filter on. With your Moscow pics in profile you will get responses.

True Mongering has no borders.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1575455]Why was it necessary to return to the airport by car? Why not take the train? Is it not practical for a return trip? Conflict with your flight schedule?[/QUOTE]The plane to Amsterdam was at 05.30 (departure). The first Aeroexpress train leaves Belorussky Rail Terminal at 05.30, so with the very early morning flight a car was my only option. I left the hotel for the airport at 03.00.

Let me also add I was only carrying a backpack with a laptop and a small travel suitcase, neither of which was heavy and so navigating the metro when I arrived wasn't made more difficult by luggage.

[QUOTE=Skwiskwis;1575536]The plane to Amsterdam was at 05. 30 (departure). The first Aeroexpress train leaves Belorussky Rail Terminal at 05. 30, so with the very early morning flight a car was my only option. I left the hotel for the airport at 03. 00.

Let me also add I was only carrying a backpack with a laptop and a small travel suitcase, neither of which was heavy and so navigating the metro when I arrived wasn't made more difficult by luggage. [/QUOTE]There is an excellent taxi company in Moscow. http://city-mobil.ru/?l=2

Both prices and reliability are excellent. About 900 rubles from Arbat area to Sherm at 03:00 and they will pick up immediately or schedule a pickup. Price structure is on the site. If you are in the center it never takes more than 10 minutes for a pickup. They send SMS with driver and car details. They mostly speak Russian but if you ask real nice they will put on an English speaking person. "Pojalusta, pa-angliski, pojalusta. ".

There is also a great iphone app for getting taxis.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1575550]There is also a great iphone app for getting taxis. [/QUOTE]"Get Taxi" is a FABULOUS App. I tie it to my credit card and automatically add a 12% tip. Taxi drivers respond very quickly. Since discovering Get Taxi back last fall, I have not used one gypsy cab. This probably sounds like an ad, but seriously, this is so convenient. Especially if you are in a loud place and it's difficult to talk (or hear) the dispatcher. The app seems to understand addresses in both cyrillic and latin. Plus the GPS driven map is surprisingly accurate and leads the taxi driver right to you. And if you know in advance where you are headed you don't even need to TALK to the driver. Check it out! Www. Gettaxi. Ru.

[QUOTE=KaveMan; 1575507]Thanks for replies.

Please list other Capitals outside of Moscow worthy of visits for undiscovered 18-19 yo and 9-10's.

One side note. I think in all this hopping on jets and international mongering, many of you have overlooked the pussy right underneath your noses.

Online USA dating sites are an untapped gold mine of home-mongering. I realize many of you monger away from home for anonymity, escape, or maybe even fantasy.

Nevertheless, not banging Women for $25 in any Metro area near you is akin to using a telegraph for txting. I realize many of you will say I don't have time for the 1500 txts (yeah thats15 double-taps with coffee) OR showing up for 8 dates because I have important things to do like watch TV or go to bars!

Trust me banging 20's gals is fun at home too. Match even has a Russian language option you can filter on. With your Moscow pics in profile you will get responses.

True Mongering has no borders.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Assuming you already are familiar with the outer pussy ring around Moscow, Kaluga, Tula, Rybinsk, Kostroma, Ryazan, Vladimir, Yaroslavl, and Tver' You don't need a jet for any of these cities, just a train.

Jets will get ya to Perm, Chelyabinsk, Ufa, Yekaterinberg, Nizhny Novgorod, Kirov, Ul'yanovsk, Samara, Kazan, Volgograd, Rostov, Saratov, Krasnodar, Voronezh, and on and on and on.

That's still just the beginning, dozens of other oblast cities accessible by train like Orel, Bryansk, Smolensk, Kursk, Yelets, Michurinsk, Cheboksary, Yoshkar Ola, Penza, Saransk, Cherepovets, Vologda, and on and on.

That's many many many lifetimes of University and Institute ladies to make new acquaintances.

Is July a good time to visit Moscow?

Is it high season or low season (ie, babes left for beach or family vacation)?

I know in EU late July / August its dead as most have left for summer holidays.

Would July be better than September?

Thanks

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1583140]Is July a good time to visit Moscow? Is it high season or low season [/QUOTE]Kaveman,

You're looking at this the wrong way. Moscow is not the Cap d'Antibes, it's not a tourist resort. There is no "season". In the summer, the girls wear their summer dresses, which has a definite advantage. In the winter they bundle up against the cold, snuggle up to stay warm and hang their trusiki on the steam pipe.

Moscow is whatever you want to make of it, at any time of the year.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1583564]Kaveman,

You're looking at this the wrong way. Moscow is not the Cap d'Antibes, it's not a tourist resort. There is no "season". In the summer, the girls wear their summer dresses, which has a definite advantage. In the winter they bundle up against the cold, snuggle up to stay warm and hang their trusiki on the steam pipe.

Moscow is whatever you want to make of it, at any time of the year.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarification.

I did read in past threads that there are times when gals go back home (from school / college? Isn't Moscow like any city with slowdown in August?

P.S. Is Aeroflot best for fares from USA? (LAX or JFK).

July and August are considered "high" tourist seasons in Russia, meaning prices are comparatively higher for rooms, flights, etc. This is also a "high" tourist season for tourists crossing the Atlantic, what with Americans taking their summer vacations and such. By way of only one element comparison, I flew to Moscow a couple of weeks ago from Detroit. Round trip ticket price from the US: slightly less than 800 $. I'm flying again to Russia at the end of July. Returning in August. Round trip ticket price to Moscow: $1400.00. To Petersburg: $1600.00. If you happen to live in NYC you can get direct flights to Moscow for around $1000.00 in August, if you book ahead of time.

And don't forget your visa.

It's also worth keeping in mind that airline ticket prices have been going up. I believe May saw one of the highest increases in some years.

June (White Nights) is a high tourist season in St Petersburg. And the New Year is now a high tourist season in Petersburg and Moscow, for about a week or so.

The prices are lowest during winter. DOH!

Another way to check is to go onto the calendars of the rentals being offered on a site like Airbnb for example. You will be able to check out the periods when prices are lowest and when they are highest. Moreover, if you are traveling during a low season, definitely make an offer below the listed price. The owners are usually pretty agreeable at such times. Almost no one visits during the coldest months, for example, and they are willing to take lower prices just to generate some revenue.

Aeroflot is okay. I personally prefer to fly it only domestically in Russia as other Russian domestic airlines can be downright spooky (I once flew on S7 from Petersburg to Novosibirsk on an old double decker Soviet Ilyushin Il-86. Two of the bolts holding the seat were missing and the other two were loose so the seat rocked back and forth and the toilets had signs, Туалет не работает. Держитесь до тех пор, пока приземлимся, "out of order, hold it until we land" signs on them.) Aeroflot offers direct flights from NYC to Moscow. It's also in the Delta Skyteam alliance (you can use your Skyteam miles on Aeroflot) and I think its flights are all code share with Delta. The few times I've flown out of NYC they were definitely Aeroflot planes with Aeroflot crews, but maybe some are also Delta (Delta definitely flies in to Sheremetyevo from variety of US cities). On a side note, Aeroflot continues to use the hammer and sickle as its marketing logo: Soviet iconography becomes kitsch. And, if the flight attendants are female and attractive they definitely look sexier in Aeroflot uniforms, than in KLM, Delta, or Air France uniforms, in my humble opinion.

Russian universities are currently on summer break and resume again at the beginning of September. And Russia has a ton of holidays. This past week, June 12, was, for example, Russian Independence Day and Russians had the 12th and 13th off. However, I agree completely with Stravinsky. Moscow is a city of 12 million plus. Whether some of them are on holiday or at their dacha's for extended stays is irrelevant.

So. If one had to construct a Moscow dream trip (7 days). And $$$ spent was not an issue what would you do?:

Air (Best Airline, Airport & transfers).

Hotel (best for location, service and amenities: Bar, pool, sauna, local gals, concierge, etc).

Salon (best rated in Moscow).

Escort Service (Top Rated).

Best Club (Pickups or P4 P).

Best Escort Club.

Best Sauna.

Best Restaurants / Delis (To refuel and get local flavor, not 5*.

Best Day-Trip (College / Institute Gals).

Best Recent Escort (last 1-3 mos).

MY experience is sometimes its worth it to pony and get the best, and then fine-tune to find best deals after you know market.

A great spot for hunting classy non pros.

The terrace of the Kabuki restaurant, on top of the Atrium shopping center (4th floor) close to Kourskaia metro station.

I was there today together with 20 Moscovite pretty girls around me enjoying a rest after an afternoon of shopping. I was the only man (except for the servers). As I was in a business suit, I attracted a lot of welcome attention. The couple of girls on the table next to mine offered to help me translate the menu, as the servers spoke no English.

Regards to all.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;1590178]A great spot for hunting classy non pros.

The terrace of the Kabuki restaurant, on top of the Atrium shopping center (4th floor) close to Kourskaia metro station.

I was there today together with 20 Moscovite pretty girls around me enjoying a rest after an afternoon of shopping. I was the only man (except for the servers). As I was in a business suit, I attracted a lot of welcome attention. The couple of girls on the table next to mine offered to help me translate the menu, as the servers spoke no English.

Regards to all.[/QUOTE]Excellent tip!

Just a field report from LA / Hollywood.

If any of you ever have morality concerns about mongering, don't!

Women monger in their 18-22 range with civilians with no shame.

I have recently had a string of gals in LA from EU (Spain, France, Kiev in the 20-23 range) who are mongering with no shame.

These gals were in 7-9 range:

-banging on first meeting, under 2 hrs; with no drink, dinner, or sponsoring of any kind.

-Anal, no condom, swallowing.

-One attended a swinger party / orgy, happy to be swapped to black dude.

-French has done libertine.

-Another did porn while visiting LA for her summer break.

-Many had friends in mid 20's who were banging 100 guys a year. One hundred!

-All were clean cut, educated, good families, pedigree, and just wanted as much as they could get.

I just read this stunning review of FKK Artemis in Berlin in last week.

Seems unbelievable EU 30-50 for 3O min and some are 9-10's. WTF?

Am I missing something or is this just lower standards in FKK realm.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin[/URL]

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1591991]Just a field report from LA / Hollywood. [/QUOTE]Well I'll be hornswaggled and corn-holed. Who woulda thunk? LA is the mongering capital of the world!

What're we all doing here in Moscow?

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1592025]I just read this stunning review of FKK Artemis in Berlin in last week.

Seems unbelievable EU 30-50 for 3O min and some are 9-10's. WTF?

Am I missing something or is this just lower standards in FKK realm.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin[/URL][/QUOTE]It's not really fair to compare an FKK with the Moscow Salon. FKK's operate legally and have HUNDREDS of customers every day. Well, maybe not hundreds every day but I am sure that in weekends, places like Palace and Oasis have hundreds of customers each day. Moscow salons are technically ILLEGAL and operate with considerable risk requiring payments to police. Hence the higher prices.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1592623]It's not really fair to compare an FKK with the Moscow Salon. FKK's operate legally and have HUNDREDS of customers every day. Well, maybe not hundreds every day but I am sure that in weekends, places like Palace and Oasis have hundreds of customers each day. Moscow salons are technically ILLEGAL and operate with considerable risk requiring payments to police. Hence the higher prices.[/QUOTE]Jake thanks for price clarification.

Is quality comparable to a Moscow Salon or Brothel?

This FKK concept of having 50-75 Women in 21-25 parading around nude displaying their pussy in facilities of lounge, porn cinema, sauna, pool, garden sounds hard to beat!

These FKK guys keep saying the slim, tight model types form Romania / Bulgaria / Moldova are the norm.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1592835]Jake thanks for price clarification.

Is quality comparable to a Moscow Salon or Brothel?

This FKK concept of having 50-75 Women in 21-25 parading around nude displaying their pussy in facilities of lounge, porn cinema, sauna, pool, garden sounds hard to beat!

These FKK guys keep saying the slim, tight model types form Romania / Bulgaria / Moldova are the norm.[/QUOTE]1. I have never see a 10 in Artemis or any other FKK except for maybe Globe in Zurich (much more expensive than Germany). Out of the many HUNDREDS (maybe thousands) of girls I have seen walking around German FKKs, I have only seen a few dozen 9's. There are plenty of 8's and most are 7's unless you go to crappy clubs. But yes, young, slim, tight is pretty normal, but not really model types.

2. The price at Artemis is 60 euro for 30 minutes standard. You're not getting better than that unless she is ugly and sloppy, which is rare. Most FKKs in Germany are 50 euros. I have never seen 30 except at non-FKK eroshouses.

3. Very few girls at Artemis give good GFE if you care about that. There are many better clubs in Germany for GFE.

4. If you are just looking for P4 P, the German FKKs are the best place on the planet; unless you like Asian girls then you should head to Thailand or Philippines; or you like Bare Back sex with prostitutes in which case you should head to North Cyprus.

I LOVE FKKs for the atmosphere. I have fucked over 150 girls at FKKs (most in 2012). As has been said MANY times here, the hooker scene in Moscow has moved WAY beyond the prime time we all have read so much about. You go to Russia to hunt freebies or semi-pros, not for Pros (nothing wrong with the occasional pro on the side if you want to pay for it). Of course you are already getting that at home so maybe no point in going to Moscow.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1592997]I LOVE FKKs for the atmosphere. I have fucked over 150 girls at FKKs (most in 2012). As has been said MANY times here, the hooker scene in Moscow has moved WAY beyond the prime time we all have read so much about. You go to Russia to hunt freebies or semi-pros, not for Pros (nothing wrong with the occasional pro on the side if you want to pay for it). Of course you are already getting that at home so maybe no point in going to Moscow.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right Yummy. This cannot be underscored enough. The Hooker scene in Moscow has become downright pedestrian (no pun intended). If you are intent on fucking a Russian beauty for money, then your money is probably better spent in a German FKK (where there seems to be no shortage of Russian beauties) than in Moscow. I have been to an FKK several times and I must say that it has been impressive. The Moscow salon experience is ok, but the moment the meter stops, they hustle you out the door and you are on the street again. Compare that with the FKK and the salon really does fall short. Now, if there were an FKK format place in Moscow, THAT would be worth visiting. Even the sauna experience falls short of the casual atmosphere of the FKK in my opinion.

Hi guys,

I'm going to Moscow in September, its not my first time but this time I don't want to go for pro girls.

Where can I meet girls in advance so I have chances there to date these ones?

Thanks a lot for your support.

B2B

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1591991]Just a field report from LA / Hollywood.

If any of you ever have morality concerns about mongering, don't!

Women monger in their 18-22 range with civilians with no shame.

I have recently had a string of gals in LA from EU (Spain, France, Kiev in the 20-23 range) who are mongering with no shame.

These gals were in 7-9 range:

-banging on first meeting, under 2 hrs; with no drink, dinner, or sponsoring of any kind.

-Anal, no condom, swallowing.

-One attended a swinger party / orgy, happy to be swapped to black dude.

-French has done libertine.

-Another did porn while visiting LA for her summer break.

-Many had friends in mid 20's who were banging 100 guys a year. One hundred!

-All were clean cut, educated, good families, pedigree, and just wanted as much as they could get.[/QUOTE]Would love to trade contacts with you if you are still in LA.

I have always been a fan of SYTs, but now seem to be developing a penchant for mature women. Anyone know how to hook up with attractive women between 30 and 55 years old in Moscow? Next door MILF types are ok but it is important that they are neat (not overweight with hemorrhoids and bad breath). It could be a salon, a bar or even a dating site. I prefer p4 p to freebies as it seems more honest and efficient, but if there is a really good freebie location I would try that too. Once I manage to do some work on the ground I will provide an overview for others.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1596524]I have always been a fan of SYTs, but now seem to be developing a penchant for mature women. Anyone know how to hook up with attractive women between 30 and 55 years old in Moscow? Next door MILF types are ok but it is important that they are neat (not overweight with hemorrhoids and bad breath). It could be a salon, a bar or even a dating site. I prefer p4 p to freebies as it seems more honest and efficient, but if there is a really good freebie location I would try that too. Once I manage to do some work on the ground I will provide an overview for others.[/QUOTE]I have been very successful with mamba. Ru.

If you are looking for MILFs, you have to "read between the lines", because most of the elderly women are still looking for the charming prince, but if you dig a little you will find many that are ready for sex for money.

I am planning a tour this August for a week and intend to rent a luxury apartment for the stay. I have been a lot lately into German FKK scene but now got bored of it. I would like to see freebie action. I know that most of the times freebie hunt can be expensive than escorts but I want to have sex with girls whom I seduced. Any nice areas where I should rent apartment. Also money is not problem I can spend about 3000€ for that week.

[QUOTE=Chercheur;1597482]I have been very successful with mamba. Ru.

If you are looking for MILFs, you have to "read between the lines", because most of the elderly women are still looking for the charming prince, but if you dig a little you will find many that are ready for sex for money.[/QUOTE]I tríed mamba. Ru but need Russian IP.

Or paypal account and in our country is not working.

I've tried Vik but it's really tough. Sent many many pm and not too many replies.

If you know another site, please let me know!

Hugs,

B2B

[QUOTE=BackToBass;1598330]I tred mamba. Ru but need Russian IP.

Or paypal account and in our country is not working... B2B[/QUOTE]Thanks Back to Bass. Do you or anyone know whether the Russian IP requirement still applies if one gets a paid subscription to mamba? I was kind of hoping that the problem would go away then.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1599408]Thanks Back to Bass. Do you or anyone know whether the Russian IP requirement still applies if one gets a paid subscription to mamba? I was kind of hoping that the problem would go away then.[/QUOTE]IP req goes away when using the website version at least.

[QUOTE=Mukeshkakarlap;1598218]I am planning a tour this August for a week and intend to rent a luxury apartment for the stay. I have been a lot lately into German FKK scene but now got bored of it. I would like to see freebie action. I know that most of the times freebie hunt can be expensive than escorts but I want to have sex with girls whom I seduced. Any nice areas where I should rent apartment. Also money is not problem I can spend about 3000 for that week.[/QUOTE]People cannot contact you unless you become a paying member of this site, as far I understood. I am also planning to come back to Moacow in the middle of August and I will also be looking for freebie action or 9's to hang out. Maybe we can meet us and as my name says: wing for wing. I already know some good banyas to go.

[QUOTE=Chercheur;1597482] but if you dig a little you will find many that are ready for sex for money.[/QUOTE]Well, in that webs ite you are refering to t is possible to list freebies / semipros: Just choose the option "show women loooking for sponsor" Then you got them. No need to be a rocket scientist).

Yes I did it too. In my experience, they were in average older than 25 but still in good shape, most amateur. I would say in average between 6 and 8, depeneding on your taste. I like blond with bit breasts. The only difficulty I found: Most of them only speaks Russian, The solution was the voice rec app from g oogl translator, I used it to comunicated myself with the dewushki, the acuracy of the translations was most of the time lets say, ok, (I speak just a little bit Ruski), sometimes the translations were wrong however, which was not embarassing, it just generated some good laughs from her (which is a good thing for the mood) and some delays as well, but this was not a big problem.

I will be in Ausgust in Moscow. I am planning to go to clubs and I am looking for a wing guy (in exchange I can be one wing guy myself).

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Not bad this Alianna, the question is. Are the pics really of her?

[QUOTE=WingForwing;1599880]Not bad this Alianna, the question is. Are the pics really of her?[/QUOTE]Hello,

Pictures are real!

[QUOTE=AliannaSweet;1600254]Hello,

Pictures are real![/QUOTE]This girl works in London, and can be found on various sites online. She is Brazilian.

Hi all,

Living in Moscow for several years now and I will give some info here and start to create a better list over time.

Thought I would start pulling my end on the forums, sorry about transliterations I did not really check the spelling. Top of my head for now.

Escort website:

[URL]http://www.rusdosug.com/[/URL]

(if your getting an escort during the summer in Moscow your insane, go to a park or a mall, or café.).

Bars: (everyday).

-Papas place (formerly pacha) at nikolevskaya. Has many nice deals on food and drink on sundays especially / mondays.

-Rocknroll near chistye prudi metro.

-Crazydaisy near chistye prudi metro on stretenka (works everyday and always has action, they will ask for document and if you know the rules, knowing no Russian you will have trouble but it is the best).

-Propaganda (wed / thurs is great after 1 am) - do not go Sunday unless you are into a gay bar. Place also has good lunch during the day.

Parks:

-Chisti prudi is the best all year round.

-Gorki park is amazing in the summer, best park in the world in my opinion.

-Patriarch prudi is nice and many good places to eat near.

Streets:

-Myasnyskaya ulitsa.

-Tverskaya ulitsa.

-Kamergysky pereulok.

-Old Arbat / New Arbat.

Weekend nightlife:

-Barbados. Med / high end.

-Rocknroll. Bar.

-Rollingstone. Great place and one of my fav. Standard.

-Gypsy. Great place but as of 2 years ago hard to get in late (almost impossible) - med / high end.

-Posh friends. Might ask 2000 per person which you can spend on drinks. Its pretty good and foreigners will love the girls and shows there.

-Krisha Myra. Very high end.

-Sohorooms. Very high end.

-Lookingrooms. Very high end.

-Cherdak. Great place and one of my fav. Standard.

Mall:

-Atrium.

-Kievskaya.

-Gyum.

-Tsum.

-Okhotny Ryad near red square (its an underground mall below the mcdonalds).

Cell carriers; (use 3 g and gps when your on a trip guys.).

-MTS.

-Beeline.

-Megafon.

Diners;

-Starlight - 24 hour burger joint.

-Beverlyhills - 100 rubles breakfast until 11 am during weekdays. Get the new England and black coffee.

Taxi service;

-Yandex taxi app for phones and on the web, this is the only real taxi you should use.

-"Gypsy taxi" - okay if you speak some of the language.

Aoratos,

Thanks for the info. How long have you been living in Moscow? Looking forward to more reports from you.

вам спасибо

Been here about four years, greatest city in the World in my opinion. Especially for girls and going out. Also if you compare with other cities abroad (and in Russia) the fact that you pay no entrance fees makes it the most worthy place for your money and the cheapest, along with the good ratio. You also will find authentic beautiful girls in the clubs / bars and no pros. Which is a plus in my opinion.

I am leaving again in a few days for vacation, I will be at Papas place tonight if anyone wants to join.

Papa's Place.

Nikolskaya ulitsa, 10 (this is the new address, 1 minute from Lubyanka metro station).

[URL]http://papas.ru/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1600776]Aoratos,

Thanks for the info. How long have you been living in Moscow? Looking forward to more reports from you.

вам спасибо[/QUOTE]

I once posted a question here about large labia. As far as I remember, I got no responses. Well now it seems I may be onto a sollution. Rusdosug has its own forum for women with large labia and people looking for them. If you never hear from me again it may be because I have suffocated between some very large labia. I wish.

[URL]http://www.rusdosug.com/forum_themes.php?forumid=7&index=0[/URL]

I also found a new version of the map of service providers in Moscow. I find it very helpful. Just locate your hotel / apartment on the map and see what's on offer in your neighbourhood. Better than identifying fantastic ads for perfect girls who are three hours away, and then turn out to be false ads. The color coding is as follows:

- blue = salon.

- red = individualka (but some of them are probably actually salons, just registered as individualkas).

- purple = bdsm.

- yellow = massage (I guess in some cases may be regular salon or individualka).

- green = strip club.

[URL]http://www.rusdosug.com/interactive.php[/URL]

Both websites are in Russian.

[QUOTE=Aoratos;1600353]Hi all,

(if your getting an escort during the summer in Moscow your insane, go to a park or a mall, or caf.).
[/QUOTE]The main reason for getting escorts would be what you wrote - "knowing no Russian you will have trouble".

What would you suggest that us -non Russian speakers- if we go to gorki park or any bar with no Russian friends? Should I also add that we have limited time (5 days) after 8 pm? I'm trying to say we are not insane, we just don't have time or knowledge for anything else.

[QUOTE=WanderTheWorld;1603554]I'm trying to say we are not insane, we just don't have time or knowledge for anything else.[/QUOTE]I agree with you PLUS sometimes you simply don't know if the lady is pro or semi pro in such places like park, mall or caf. I don't know how Russian women would react with us making a "unmoral" offer, but in the Western world you got be very careful with what you say or do, otherwise it can be very dangerous if the woman is none of the above. I am not a fan of guessing games, so also I prefer to get things straight.

Hi folks,

Finally I am able to tell you about a very nice meeting in Moscow. It took me seven attempts to find a nice woman. I found her on mamba. Ru, unfortunately she deleted her profile there, due to an idiot who was constantly insulting her there. She did not allow me to take some photos, so I am not able to show her.

We met in the Interconti Hotel and immediately went to my room. She was very cute and quite shy, but it was nice to talk to her and her english was quite good. Before starting with some action, both of us took a shower (unfortunately separated). After the shower we went the bed and had a short chat. During the chat we started to touch each other and we began to kiss. From kissing we slide into some nice oral action and ended in 69. Her taste was great and so was her BJ. We did not count the minutes, but I think it was like 30 min only oral action, before we ended up in fucking. She pushed me backwards and started to ride me, the feeling was great. Her pussy felt very good and was quite narrow. She was moving her hips in a way that I could not resist any longer and filled the rubber.

After the first round we just lie on the bed relaxed a bit and had a nice conversation. After a couple of minutes the talked about some personal things in life, which lead again to some kissing action. Of course the 69 was happening again, which was again great. The second round of fucking started with some missionary, but soon we switched to doggy style. It was great to see her sweet ass (unfortunately no anal allowed) and feel her pussy. After some minutes she demand to ride me again, which I could not refuse. Short after she started to ride me I was already coming as the combination of her fucking, seeing her bald little pussy and sweet boobs was to good.

Hopefully I will meet her again, when I come to Moscow again.

Please do not ask for her number as she asked me not to provide her number in public.

KR,

Johnnyb

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1602688]I once posted a question here about large labia. As far as I remember, I got no responses. Well now it seems I may be onto a sollution. Rusdosug has its own forum for women with large labia and people looking for them. If you never hear from me again it may be because I have suffocated between some very large labia. I wish.

[URL]http://www.rusdosug.com/forum_themes.php?forumid=7&index=0[/URL]

I also found a new version of the map of service providers in Moscow. I find it very helpful. Just locate your hotel / apartment on the map and see what's on offer in your neighbourhood. Better than identifying fantastic ads for perfect girls who are three hours away, and then turn out to be false ads. The color coding is as follows:

- blue = salon.

- red = individualka (but some of them are probably actually salons, just registered as individualkas).

- purple = bdsm.

- yellow = massage (I guess in some cases may be regular salon or individualka).

- green = strip club.

[URL]http://www.rusdosug.com/interactive.php[/URL]

Both websites are in Russian.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot.

Its good to see what is around us in a trip.

Fantasys has been closed. Dolce Vita has also been closed, at least all three phone numbers listed on its websites are non-functional. (Anyone who knows otherwise, please let me know. I guess it could also just be something to do with August.).

Charmel is still in operation. Still 5000 RUR. Just the same experience it has been in the past: attractive, slightly educated girls; stately rooms rooms; meeting point at the Sberbank (see older posts).

Anyone who can recommend another good salon in Moscow or who knows anything about Dolce Vita?

I posted on the Sweden forums about my experiences with Sugar daddy dating websites across Europe and semi pro freebies or almost freebies. Anyway I notice after RTFF the last 20 pages here or so that some of the women from rosdosug are on the sugar baby / daddy website selling puxxy in London.

This young lady even uses her same "working" name and pitcures. Does anyone have experience with her.

[URL]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi178734.htm[/URL]

Thanks and sorry to hijack the thread. I plan on coming to Moscow soon and will use recommendations from here.

All the best.

I must say that I have never been offered sex for money in Moscow, it is a special city full of girls that just want fun. Unlike Kiev and Petersburg it is a real place that is not rampant with sex adverts, the city is oddly known as a prostitution capital but in my opinion this is a lie. Yes, you can find escorts and paid girls, but unless you are looking for it or go to Soho or someplace like this than you will find normal girls for free. Also use mamba and badoo, get VIP and talk to all girls for at least a month before visiting the city. Ask them to walk with you and show you around.

[QUOTE=WingForwing;1603562]I agree with you PLUS sometimes you simply don't know if the lady is pro or semi pro in such places like park, mall or caf. I don't know how Russian women would react with us making a "unmoral" offer, but in the Western world you got be very careful with what you say or do, otherwise it can be very dangerous if the woman is none of the above. I am not a fan of guessing games, so also I prefer to get things straight.[/QUOTE]Wandertheworld I suggest that you go at it alone, many girls are happy to practice English and offering a girl at gorky a tea or coffee together at the many places located at the park is a great step. My first trip 4 years ago as a tourist was solo, and I spoke no Russian. I had the best trip of my life.

If you will go talk to a girl, leave your friends to the side and go alone. Groups scare these girls.

I've taken a look through your notes and I believe you guys are mostly meeting ladies at salons and places like that located in the center or thereabout, which is fine when you are not short of cash. However, if your budget is a bit tighter, you could search for good deals outside of the third transport ring, that could save you a lot. A Russian speaker could be quite useful, however.

[QUOTE=WebWerewolf;1605102]However, if your budget is a bit tighter, you could search for good deals outside of the third transport ring, that could save you a lot.[/QUOTE]If your budget is tight, you're on the wrong continent.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1605146]If your budget is tight, you're on the wrong continent.[/QUOTE]Well actually I am having spent 2 years in Vietnam with far more hotties available for a cheaper price or without any money at all, I miss Asia.

[QUOTE=WebWerewolf;1605148]Well actually I am having spent 2 years in Vietnam with far more hotties available for a cheaper price or without any money at all, I miss Asia.[/QUOTE]Beauty is subjective. You cannot compare Asia to Europe. Besides, you are comparing a very impoverish country to a country that is flushed with oil money.

For me, in summertime, Moscow is the best place in the word:

A. Walking in the streets, you can see many very attractive girls with sexy and classy outfits.

Be. There are semi-pros, girls in their 30's or 40's, they have a job, some have one or two kids, some even have a husband, and they will come to your place and have sex with you for $300 (sometimes even for 5000 rubles which is $150).

Most of the girls I have met were attractive (6 to 9), some were highly educated, and I had sex with most of them like with a regular girlfriend as they are looking for their own pleasure as well as for your pleasure.

I had very few bad experiences; of course some happen to be real pros, and some where thinking they were very pretty, and that screws everything up.

Where else in the world can you find such a paradise?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1605146]If your budget is tight, you're on the wrong continent.[/QUOTE]Strav is right. Some of you youngsters in your 20's, 30's, and 40's can play the freebie game, using charm and alcohol consumption to chase the skirts to score on the cheap.

Some of us have left those decades behind, now realizing that patience and generosity is a better formula to meet the needs of sponsorettes.

The idea proposed that Russia is flush with oil money, does not translate to any real improvement in standard of living for the average citizen there. Higher salaries for normal jobs are equal to higher prices for food, clothing, rent, etc.

Its also a matter of taste and what a monger is comfortable with. There's no way to blend in, in Asia, if you aren't Asian. And Chercheur's revelation of available ladies in the 30-50 year age bracket, left out the entire population of ladies in their 20's, that are just as likely to need a sponsor, because the economy is not improving for them either.

The bottom line is, if you CAN afford it, AND the slavic culture is your preference, make the maximum investment that you can, and contribute to the economic advancement of a deserving population. Politics aside, your efforts have a good chance of creating good will in both directions.

[QUOTE=Aoratos;1604890]I must say that I have never been offered sex for money in Moscow, it is a special city full of girls that just want fun. [/QUOTE]This is maybe because you didn't visit the places they are used to hook. Or maybe they asked but you did not get it, because she did it indirectly.

Anyway I would say, I also used to visit the "wrong" areas myself in the past, the places where I visited there were more middle class / upper class intellectuals who spoke some English. Long conversations, litle sex.

I was able to sleep with Musicians and a lot of Economists (the Russian woman is known to be good in Math, Physics, etc. Compared to western women). This is nice, but I am not looking for a woman to marry (some of them misunderstand that), I am looking just for good time with a normal hot girl, not stupid but easier to deal with than those listed above. I my bed I'm not looking for a philosopher, not any more.

To marry I would choose one of those intellectuals, that kind who never asks for money.

[QUOTE=WingForwing;1606286]This is maybe because you didn't visit the places they are used to hook. Or maybe they asked but you did not get it, because she did it indirectly.

Anyway I would say, I also used to visit the "wrong" areas myself in the past, the places where I visited there were more middle class / upper class intellectuals who spoke some English. Long conversations, litle sex.

I was able to sleep with Musicians and a lot of Economists (the Russian woman is known to be good in Math, Physics, etc. Compared to western women). This is nice, but I am not looking for a woman to marry (some of them misunderstand that), I am looking just for good time with a normal hot girl, not stupid but easier to deal with than those listed above. I my bed I'm not looking for a philosopher, not any more.

To marry I would choose one of those intellectuals, that kind who never asks for money.[/QUOTE]Hello W4 W,

Any advise to visiting places in Moscow? I like your point of view about where to go to find nice girls for sex. I know many high end places where you waste lot of money just for long long conversations. And I want to visit other kind of places.

[QUOTE=BackToBass;1606798] I like your point of view about where to go to find nice girls for sex. I know many high end places where you waste lot of money just for long long conversations. And I want to visit other kind of places.[/QUOTE]It depends on what exactly you are looking for. PM me for more details.

When I am in a hurry I do prefer salons (many entries here on this forum from other mongers as well). There is also a "sex" catalogue they use to put on cars, it is like a magazine but it contains hundreds of ads from pros, semi pros but also some fakes too.

Once I was close to Old Arbat I saw one of these dewushki Catalogue even on a parked police car (maybe somebody did as a joke).

[QUOTE=Aoratos;1604890]
Wandertheworld I suggest that you go at it alone, many girls are happy to practice English and offering a girl at gorky a tea or coffee together at the many places located at the park is a great step. My first trip 4 years ago as a tourist was solo, and I spoke no Russian. I had the best trip of my life.

If you will go talk to a girl, leave your friends to the side and go alone. Groups scare these girls.[/QUOTE]I used to do that in my country when I was young and in several beaches, most of the time (around 90%) girls didn't talk. Still, I'd have loved to try that again in my age (30's) but somehow you are again missing the point. 3 times I have been to Russia, Ukraine etc. From Monday to Friday. We come at Monday morning and leave at Friday evening. I'm married which means I can't get lost for several hours. Also I leave work together with my colleagues late in the evening and go to some restaurant. Noone wants to act in any other way because most of us are married. I'm just guessing most of the guys who use escorts services are married as well.

If I ever get divorced-god forbid- or get a chance to work alone I'll be sure to take your advice but until then escorts are the way to go. I'm right now searching for Kyrgz women and even though I have learned some places girls hang out, it would be hard for me to locate them.

Best of luck in your mongerings.

'it was a hot day in august, and the clocks in the alleged southern capital were striking thirteen'. there's just such a wrongness to that place. now i know what your thinking, why do i keep going there if it freaks me out so much? it's the curse of this forum. once i started criticizing the place on this forum, i started having to go there semi-regularly. thankfully short trip there in august in the middle of a longer trip to petersburg, tver and ukraine. couple of nights only. fast train from petersburg to that place again. stayed again at the best western vega, which i recommend only if you have already made arrangements to meet a girl. to get to the elevators, you need to show your hotel pass and everyone with you has to show theirs as well, so if your with a girl she has to register at the front desk. tons of tourists use the hotel. big groups of them. but it is reasonably priced, has a good buffet breakfast, and is super close to a metro stop. mystifying trips again on the metro that must have been built by beavers on lsd.

i'd made arrangements to meet natasha blue hat (photo attached- photo is about a year old). girl i had met on ruscams or peekshows a few years back, back when the video sites were very good places to hook up with russian and ukrainian girls. she used to live in petersburg, where we met semi-regularly for a while, but then she moved to the alleged southern capital, presumably after suffering some kind of traumatic brain damage.

she's also somewhat psychologically unpredictable (do i detect a theme in these reports?) and has something going on with the color red. and you might find her on mamba. not sure. we had a brief discussion about how we met and she made a reference to working sometimes on a dating site, but i didn't press her and it may or may not be mamba. she's tall, small breasted, leggy (another theme), about 175, and vocal during game time. the donative was 22000 rubles for two days and nights (something having to do with buying a refrigerator) and a bottle of j'adore. however, she speaks little, really no, english.

Hi,

Just got my semester break and came to Moscow.

I have heard different stories about how one can get cheated by girls in Clubs and other places. I'm curious to know is there any cheaper place like some brothel or individual prostitutes' website where I could find nice girls and not very expensive? (Less than 2500 Rubles).

Because I have seen some websites where girls are with 2 much cost and with same prices I can find girls easily in Europe.

So anybody to guide me please for my search??

[QUOTE=Markus29;1619883]Hi,

I'm curious to know is there any cheaper place like some brothel or individual prostitutes' website where I could find nice girls and not very expensive? (Less than 2500 Rubles).[/QUOTE]There is sometimes room for negotiation, but it depends very much on how good do you speak Russian (at least for small talk etc.).

[QUOTE=Markus29;1619883]Because I have seen some websites where girls are with 2 much cost and with same prices I can find girls easily in Europe.[/QUOTE]Russia is also Europe. I think you mean "West Europe", if yes I agree with you, the prices in Germany, NL etc. Are lower than in Moscow. And many times you will get (ironically) Russian women in the West European FKKs, Salons, Brothels etc.

Hi guys!

I've been living here in MOCKBA of around a year. Recently emancipated form a long term G-friend (see, why Pattaya posts) and ready to get back in to the game and test the Moscow waters.

So have any of you tried rusdosug dot com? I've RTFF and its not one of the ones covered by earlier reports here.

There are some real stunners on there (see pics) and the price seems right. Especially for some of these African girls (3-4 K RU for an hour sounds like too good a bargain!

Pics are definitely enhanced, but I do think they are of actual escorts and not porn models. Though bait and switch is always a danger with this type of thing.

I know they have links to where guys review them (I can read Russian fine and speak it too. Though not a native speaker). But most of the reviews are old or don't cover the girls I am interested in.

Anyone have any experience with this site? Or any tips to offer?

It could be a gold mine. Or a Brooklyn bridge sale.

Many thanks in advance!

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1620082]

Hi guys!

I've been here a year, ready to go.

So have any of you tried these African girls (3-4 K RU for an hour sounds like too good a bargain!

Uncle-V.

[/QUOTE]Uncle!

Can't speak to you about Moscow, but around eight years ago out in some of the provincial capitals, there were always a few ads that ran in one or two of the local gazettas for agencies that could introduce you to some talent. These ads were always buried in the Introductions sections, never intended for non-Russian speakers, they were strictly for locals or visiting Russian speaking businessmen. Most of their ladies were nothing special, but occasionally it was possible find a diamond in the rough, especially considering the prices, which were always very reasonable.

Unfortunately, over the last three years or so, the ONLY ladies available through ads in those gazettas are africans. The ads always read "Chocolate! Chocolate!", like that must be something extra specially interesting, because for your typical Russian guy, my guess is that sex with an african lady is considered quite exotic.

I'm usually busy enough that I haven't needed to try to meet any of the Shokolad ladies, but on one trip when I did find myself without other available options, I called and met one.

On a personal level, she was ice cold, with the same kind of attitude you see with pros that have been in the business long enough that they treat you strictly like a boring business transaction, preferring that you just stick it in and get it over with in as big of a hurry as possible, so they can go on their way to the next customer, with no interest in bonuses of any amount for anything extra. She did have a very hard ass though, so things went smoother for both of us with her in dog fashion on the sofa, with some reach around of me rubbing her clit and her reaching under to squeeze my sack, to get her to squirming which made things much better for me.

So, in a pinch, the experience was overall not unpleasant, but I'm sure I was fortunate. I called her one other evening and we did repeat, but the only way to make that work was to do everything exactly the same, which isn't really interesting.

[QUOTE=Markus29;1619883]Just got my semester break and came to Moscow.[/QUOTE] Interesting, a semester break... the 2nd week of September?

If you are in university and on break in Moscow, why would you even be interested in P4P? You should be hitting the clubs and chatting up the dyevchyonki. I won't call them freebies, because, as we all know... no sex is free, but it definitely will be a lot more fun.