Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]It is not only Thai..all over asia there is a class distinction based on caste, skin, wealth, education....

However, everything gets offset...if you know the great queens language English :) ...The power english language has to counter all caste, skin, wealth, education is not appriciated.

Back in India..even if you earn an enginnering degree but are not fluent in english you are looked down, but if you are a cab driver and you speak english even if you are from low caste with dark skin ..you will be welcomed everywhere...

The power english language holds amoung people in Asian society is magical..everything is forgotten about your background..the moment you speak english :)[/QUOTE]

What nonsense. Lots of bargirls speak quite good English and they hold no sway at all in society. I should think that actually the ability to speak Chinese, Japanese and Korean carries far more weight, now given the huge influence of these cultures. There are many other factors far more important than simple English ability that determine status here.

[QUOTE=Zarnon]Why not bacterial vaginosis? It far outstrips yeast in frequency and has a very distinct 'fishy' smell. Intestinal amoeba would be way down on the list as it would present differently (lots of abdominal symptoms and diarrheah).
Conjecture on this stuff drives me batty. "Pharmacists" in Thailand know jack all about disease or diagnosis. Anyone can be an antiobiotic dispenser.[/QUOTE]

Ahh yes, Dr K, the whiff test! (Take some of the vaginal discharge, add an alkali and sniff for the fishes...) Clue cells, anybody? Litmus test? I'm not trying to be a Diagnosis and Treatment manual here, just to give some options. In my experience, vaginal bacteriosis doesn't often cause a super strong odor so I probably didn't think of it when I wrote my previous post.

As for my mentioning intestinal amoebiasis, ever smelled the gas emanating from someone with a bad case of giardiasis? The farts are bad, the burps are awful!

Your comments about local pharmacists are pretty much right on. Not just here bit in most of the developing world. I date a pharmacist here. Six years training and she knows very little about the drugs she dispenses. One antibiotic is about as good as the next. Not her but another pharm offered to sell me Cipro when I went in asking for erythromycin for a skin infection. Would have worked. Sort of like a shotgun would work where a flyswatter is needed.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]...Back in India..even if you earn an enginnering degree but are not fluent in english you are looked down, but if you are a cab driver and you speak english even if you are from low caste with dark skin ..you will be welcomed everywhere...[/QUOTE]

This isnt the India forum, but... I couldnt help but ask, so you mean if you are from a low caste with dark skin you would be welcome at an audience with a Maharaja?

pffft. Queen's English indeed! Lingering colonial fantasies, perhaps?

[QUOTE=Raverboy]This isnt the India forum, but... I couldnt help but ask, so you mean if you are from a low caste with dark skin you would be welcome at an audience with a Maharaja?

pffft. Queen's English indeed! Lingering colonial fantasies, perhaps?[/QUOTE]

Yep..Now a days, however Maharaja's in India are just a showpiece..equal in todays time..the guy who holds power like in government offices or big establishment or in village community will respect a guy who speaks english..if you speak english...the powerful becomes powerless and everything becomes equal.

Everyone listens to a man who speaks english here..it has a power to make everyone equal.

As OTH mentioned there are lot of other factors, but purely in a language sense for day today activity, getting around and be counted in society...english has an edge over all the other language :)

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]What nonsense. Lots of bargirls speak quite good English and they hold no sway at all in society.[/QUOTE]

OTH, you are making the mistake of thinking parochially again. Bangkok is not Thailand. More than a few former bargirls hold a helluva lot of sway in Pattaya. And most bargirls from the regions hold far more sway and have far more respect back in their regions than if they'd spent their careers working in the local shithole factories or on the local farms.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]OTH, you are making the mistake of thinking parochially again. Bangkok is not Thailand. More than a few former bargirls hold a helluva lot of sway in Pattaya. And most bargirls from the regions hold far more sway and have far more respect back in their regions than if they'd spent their careers working in the local shithole factories or on the local farms.[/QUOTE]

Well, in fact you're thinking far more parochially than I. Bangkok is at least Thai and has a rich and varied mix of all the country's culture. But, Pattaya is most certainly not Thai. Pattaya is a perverse anomoly and is hardly representative of Thailand or Thai culture. These girls don't hold sway in the social strata of the culture, which is what I am talking about, regardless of where they are. They may have economic clout in their little villages and have garnered some sort of feigned respect because of it. But, I can guarantee that they are gossiped about and looked down upon by the very same people in their villages, who pretend to respect the money thay have, the gold around their necks and Mom and Pop's new house they erected by spreading their legs. Thais are the biggest hypocrits. So, In the bigger picture, their economic clout and resultant status ultimately means nothing. Within the culture, they are still regarded as the lowest of the low.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]english has an edge over all the other language :)[/QUOTE]

perhaps in India. However when I was there (6 months in total), I was surprised at how few Indians spoke English. I can assure you that in the rest of Asia, it doesn't carry that much weight. For example, most Thais could care less about speaking anything other than Thai. The Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are far worse. Despite the large number of English language schools, English acquisition is not increasing that much. I would say that the emphasis, at least in Thailand is on learning the three Asian languages I mentioned previously: Chinese, Japanese and Korean.

Given the decline of the American Empire and the rise of China, 50 years from now the lingua franca will be Mandarin, not English.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Well, in fact you're thinking far more parochially than I. Bangkok is at least Thai and has a rich and varied mix of all the country's culture. But, Pattaya is most certainly not Thai. Pattaya is a perverse anomoly and is hardly representative of Thailand or Thai culture. These girls don't hold sway in the social strata of the culture, which is what I am talking about, regardless of where they are. They may have economic clout in their little villages and have garnered some sort of feigned respect because of it. But, I can guarantee that they are gossiped about and looked down upon by the very same people in their villages, who pretend to respect the money thay have, the gold around their necks and Mom and Pop's new house they erected by spreading their legs. Thais are the biggest hypocrits. So, In the bigger picture, their economic clout and resultant status ultimately means nothing. Within the culture, they are still regarded as the lowest of the low.[/QUOTE]

100% truth finally spoken......this is the way it is and the girls know what the locals think when they go home.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Well, in fact you're thinking far more parochially than I. Bangkok is at least Thai and has a rich and varied mix of all the country's culture. But, Pattaya is most certainly not Thai. Pattaya is a perverse anomoly and is hardly representative of Thailand or Thai culture. These girls don't hold sway in the social strata of the culture, which is what I am talking about, regardless of where they are. They may have economic clout in their little villages and have garnered some sort of feigned respect because of it. But, I can guarantee that they are gossiped about and looked down upon by the very same people in their villages, who pretend to respect the money thay have, the gold around their necks and Mom and Pop's new house they erected by spreading their legs. Thais are the biggest hypocrits. So, In the bigger picture, their economic clout and resultant status ultimately means nothing. Within the culture, they are still regarded as the lowest of the low.[/QUOTE]

Typical OTH. Everybody Thai from outside Krungthep is from a "little village". Yeh, right.

Please show the forum your guarantees.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]100% truth finally spoken......this is the way it is and the girls know what the locals think when they go home.[/QUOTE]
Care to share your 100% experiences with the forum?

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Care to share your 100% experiences with the forum?[/QUOTE]

I read his entire post and from my own standpoint, everything is 100% spot on. I think if you re-read what he is saying...it will ring true to you too.

When (and if) you can ever have an honest/truthful conversation with a TG who works as a prostitute, she will tell you how she feels upon returning to her village. These people are not stupid for the most part. They know that everyone knows they have been a pin cushion for the time of their absence and they even feel that everyone hates them because of what they have done.

I have personal experiences drenched in tears and it is too painful to recount them right now.


Originally Posted by Old Thai Hand
Well, in fact you're thinking far more parochially than I. Bangkok is at least Thai and has a rich and varied mix of all the country's culture. But, Pattaya is most certainly not Thai. Pattaya is a perverse anomoly and is hardly representative of Thailand or Thai culture. These girls don't hold sway in the social strata of the culture, which is what I am talking about, regardless of where they are. They may have economic clout in their little villages and have garnered some sort of feigned respect because of it. But, I can guarantee that they are gossiped about and looked down upon by the very same people in their villages, who pretend to respect the money thay have, the gold around their necks and Mom and Pop's new house they erected by spreading their legs. Thais are the biggest hypocrits. So, In the bigger picture, their economic clout and resultant status ultimately means nothing. Within the culture, they are still regarded as the lowest of the low.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]I read his entire post and from my own standpoint, everything is 100% spot on. I think if you re-read what he is saying...it will ring true to you too.

When (and if) you can ever have an honest/truthful conversation with a TG who works as a prostitute, she will tell you how she feels upon returning to her village. These people are not stupid for the most part. They know that everyone knows they have been a pin cushion for the time of their absence and they even feel that everyone hates them because of what they have done.

I have personal experiences drenched in tears and it is too painful to recount them right now.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for a very honest reply. It's obviously a tough subject for you to discuss on an open forum. My (and friends') experiences are very mixed: Girls aren't universally condemned, neither are they widely admired for doing what they do.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] These girls don't hold sway in the social strata of the culture, which is what I am talking about, regardless of where they are.[/QUOTE]

So, bearing in mind your opinions on how Thai social strata are formed, let's disregard prostitutes and discuss inclusiveness of mass population from the regions ("little villages") in said strata. Maybe then you will begin to understand why girls who work away as prostitutes are not universally liked or disliked when they return home, and why they usually live quite normal lives (excepting the local gossiper/stuck-up wanker/etc).

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]So, bearing in mind your opinions on how Thai social strata are formed, let's disregard prostitutes and discuss inclusiveness of mass population from the regions ("little villages") in said strata. Maybe then you will begin to understand why girls who work away as prostitutes are not universally liked or disliked when they return home, and why they usually live quite normal lives (excepting the local gossiper/stuck-up wanker/etc).[/QUOTE]

"Normal lives" is somewhat relative.

In the bigger picture, people upcountry, especially Isaan just assume a girl working in Bkk is a hooker, (even if she isn't) and thus look down on her. They are incredibly judgemental and as I said hypocritical. My GF, who's educated and works at a 5-star hotel is the subject of nasty gossip in her village, simply because she lives in BKK with a Farang. Despite that high position of her family in her village, (or perhaps because of it, because of jealousy) people have assumed all kinds of shit about her and have spread gossip about her. It's far from the first time I've encountered this with a GF from Isaan. So, given that girls who aren't even hookers are often looked down upon in their villages because of their associations with Farang, I stand by my opinion that girls who actually work in P4P are social pariahs, despite the wealth they give to their families. I think it's appalling. But, it's just the way Thais are.

Are all bargirls bad?
I met one, who like an idiot, I felt sorry for after she told me her life story.
She was on the game for 4 months (and still is) , but a sweet girl,not yet jaded.
She has recently emailed me, and we have emailed and texted and my questions have come up with the answers that I am funny, I understand her, and treat her good.
Typical, but I think she may be different.
There's more to the story than can be told. I am a good judge of people and this girl is a keeper, but I am 44, she is 20, and I am married, so wrong equation.

Sponsorship is for idiots, but in anyone's opinion, is it possible to take a BG from the bar and get her a job and maybe supplement her income, without her whoring?
I doubt it, but I don't know.
I wish I wasn't so soft.

Pete