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Who is specifically offering 3-somes anyway in Bangkok?

Price for extra can vary 50% - 150% (in German FKKs lesbian is extra over and above time - 150%.)

Here now in BKK. After some years. Sort of bit disappointing start. Too crowded, prices have skyrocketed, service has plummeted, and the Arab invasion.

Is Thermae a good bet.

Tips welcome.

[QUOTE=Lager;2955043]Any Bangkok "experts" who can answer this question.

Are there any shops that actually offer a good deal on threesomes?

In my experience Thailand generally offers relatively bad rates compared to the rest of the world.

Ex: 4 k for two girls 1 shot 1 hour when the same shop offers 1700 1 girl hh.

Thai logic.

Meanwhile, in other places the second girl can cost as little as 20% additional. In Thailand it costs 90-100% extra.[/QUOTE]

I am planning my next Bangkok visit. My focus this time are tomboys, which I find strangely attractive. Especially the petite cute ones. But where to find them? I am on Thai friendly but no luck. The entries on tomboy bars on this forum are very old. Anyone?

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[QUOTE=SBTiger;2955833]Who is specifically offering 3-somes anyway in Bangkok?

Price for extra can vary 50% - 150% (in German FKKs lesbian is extra over and above time - 150%.)

Here now in BKK. After some years. Sort of bit disappointing start. Too crowded, prices have skyrocketed, service has plummeted, and the Arab invasion.

Is Thermae a good bet.

Tips welcome.[/QUOTE]I have had my share of threesomes over the last 4 years in Pattaya. My last threesome in Bangkok was at Tulip massage, but don't go there for looks. You could also try Snow White massage. However, threesomes with young girls that perform well can mostly be found in Pattaya these days. So, that is my tip. Get out of Bangkok and go to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2955839]I have had my share of threesomes over the last 4 years in Pattaya. My last threesome in Bangkok was at Tulip massage, but don't go there for looks. You could also try Snow White massage. However, threesomes with young girls that perform well can mostly be found in Pattaya these days. So, that is my tip. Get out of Bangkok and go to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I have booked / paid hotel in Bangkok- but let me see.

Which place (s) in Pattaya, how much.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Fromholland204;2955834]Looking for tomboys. But where to find them? [/QUOTE]Barfine a gogo girl and ask them to take you to Tomboy bars. They know where they all are.

[QUOTE=Fromholland204;2955834]I am planning my next Bangkok visit. My focus this time are tomboys, which I find strangely attractive. Especially the petite cute ones. But where to find them? I am on Thai friendly but no luck. The entries on tomboy bars on this forum are very old. Anyone?[/QUOTE]If you saw a real Tomboy, your interest would drop to zero.

Most look like Kim Jong Un.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2955782]
Fiwfans: Tried 3 incalls. 1 was terrible, 1 was good, 1 was amazing.

2. An agency (can share in PM, not sure it is ok to reveal in post)[/QUOTE]Please share in DM. Thanks.

Can't pm you. Can you share the agency name?

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2955782]Fiwfans: Tried 3 incalls. 1 was terrible, 1 was good, 1 was amazing.

1. Independent / no agency: had a 40 min option for 800 baht so got that one. Agreed place and time and arrived. Girl was 3 x the weight her pictures indicated, and quite unpleasant to look at. I have very low standards, but this wasn't going to work even for me. Had a quick BJ, bit rimming and left in 20 minutes.

2. An agency (can share in PM, not sure it is ok to reveal in post) - Shortest option was 70 minutes, but I went with 100 min because it made much more sense. Surprisingly, girl was same as picture, young, cute pretty face and eyes, big boobs. Though she had put on a bit of weight below her waist, but not in a bad way. She spoke English too, and was glad to practice. I extended it to 3 hrs total 15 minutes after arriving and I think it cost 3 K or thereabouts. Drank and chatted for the first hour, then she took the lead. Fairly standard process. Clean up, oral, riding. She was skilled and was acting like she was into it pretty well. BBFSCIP was available for +2 K, I declined. Enjoyed myself. WIR. Yes, not a bad option to have.

3. Same agency, other girl: Will keep it short. Smoked pot and drank 2 beers together. 2 hours =2 K + A level = +1 K. Decent looking (same as photo), excellent job skills and work ethic. Amazing. WIR: Yes, great for a no fuss all access quicky.

Fiwfans reflections: Basically a hit or miss so keep low expectations. But great VFM if you find a gem. Spend a lot of time browsing / translating / reading reviews. I'd rather strike out on one fiwfans, book another right after and go than find a girl at a Suk beer bar these days TBH.

Tded-99: Was curious reading the discussion here (Thanks for FR K'Everything Thai). Went alone (long term expat, but speak very little Thai). As luck would have it, my cheap grab car booking was fulfilled by a big black SUV so I received a VIP welcome right at the entrance (A blazer opened doors, and gave me a 10 min "tour" of the place, his 2 lackeys walking meekly behind us). I had no intention of ST / LT, but within 5 minutes of being here, I understood that revealing this information will lead to a very boring night, so didn't say anything. Got myself a private room (I think 150/ HR), ordered a premium whisky bottle (1300, incl mixers iirc) + some snacks for the table (about 500). Manager asked about girls, I said get drinks first. Had a couple of drinks with manager guy to get more info. Basically ST is the only way for the girls to make any substantial money as room + company / hour is dirt cheap and no lady drinks. I am doubtful about 2 things- 1. Not sure if there are 2 separate classes of private karaoke rooms or not 2. Not sure if stage girls and other girls are strictly segregated and each having different boundaries for what they can offer.

Anyway, eventually called 4 girls in. They were meek and shy at first, but opened up soon enough. I insinuated that I can have only 2ST so whoever proves themselves / seduces me gets to go. That got things going. Nothing special enough to write about. Positive or negative. Just a decent drinking experience with few decent looking WGs. Bit of hand / mouth action, lots of touching / showing etc. The stage girls would walk into the room once every 15-20 minutes offering lap dances for 100 baht. I didn't refuse a single one, mainly to get a closer look at the stage talent. I think I had 10-15. The dance itself is nothing special, but for 100 baht, its a no brainer. Full access and they will motorboat you / dry hump you for 3-5 minutes. Definitely at least 2 were stunners. Like local TV / billboard ad level hot. Others worth mentioning- 2 girls had glasses on, and were doing the whole nerdy girl / librarian vibe (as much as their skimpy bikiny would allow). 1 proper tomboy. 1 Asian babydoll, 1 BBW MILF. I don't care much for looks so I am not going to compare this to other gogo's, but definitely decent looking girls, and definitely younger than other places. In the common / stage area, I think the dancers entertain specific requests for 100 baht, like a specific pose / move you want them to do, lap dance, nude twerking close to your table etc.

Although, this place definitely isn't for everyone, and I fully understand reason for mixed reviews in past discussion. I think being well versed in local Thai bar / nightlife etiquette is a minimum requirement to have a good time here. They are trying to extract as much money as possible from you (as any other gogo) and being able to handle it in a Thai way (save both face + non confrontational + make it more of a joke + be firm and clear) is essential to have a good time.

STs do seem interesting here. The manager mentioned not all girls will go, but most would go, and rate is same for any girl for ST - 2500 all incl. I quite like this. Hate the bargaining with the girl in suk etc. Next time I will try this.

Damages: I spent Total 6 or 7 K: Drinks: 1500, Food: 700, Room: 450 (they discounted voluntarily 150 although I was 25 minutes over), Company: 900 (3 X3 X100), lapdances 1300 (100*13), Tips: 1500 (mainly because girls were visibly pissed / disappointed because I didn't ST so gave 400 each). Other 300 to waiter etc.

WIR: Maybe. My local Thai working class bar is much more fun for much cheaper. (taxi driver would be a high spender kind of bar).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2955833]Who is specifically offering 3-somes anyway in Bangkok?

Price for extra can vary 50% - 150% (in German FKKs lesbian is extra over and above time - 150%.)

Here now in BKK. After some years. Sort of bit disappointing start. Too crowded, prices have skyrocketed, service has plummeted, and the Arab invasion.

Is Thermae a good bet.

Tips welcome.[/QUOTE]Targeting Thermae on my next visit on day after tomorrow. Got few friends from TF too. On financial side TF is better but chances of hit and miss. In final round have to go for VC and if things are not favourable move to Thermae. Thinking Mondays are not much active in Thermae, but will try the luck too. Why BF and LDs, go straight to girls for twosome or threesome.

Thanks for a very good report on what goes on in Tded-99. Would take wingmen away from Nana Plaza a night to sample local flavors.

What other local Thai working class bars worth visiting?

FIWFANS independents may be rejects by agencies. Girls, who look worse and weigh significant heavier than their pics, should be reported.

Agencies vet info by their girls so they are more reliable. The half dozen FIWFANS girls I bagged all look better in person than in pics. They also act nice, sweet, sexy, much more so than bar girls. Only 1 FIWFANS girl work out of a hotel in a Muslim neighborhood far out on the East side. Her room was so messy with clothes and food everywhere, like she lived there a long time, turned me off.

Agency girls said they have to pay 1,500 bahts a day for the hotel room off Sukh 55.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2955782]Fiwfans: Tried 3 incalls. 1 was terrible, 1 was good, 1 was amazing.

1. Independent / no agency: had a 40 min option for 800 baht so got that one. Agreed place and time and arrived. Girl was 3 x the weight her pictures indicated, and quite unpleasant to look at. I have very low standards, but this wasn't going to work even for me. Had a quick BJ, bit rimming and left in 20 minutes.

2. An agency (can share in PM, not sure it is ok to reveal in post) - Shortest option was 70 minutes, but I went with 100 min because it made much more sense. Surprisingly, girl was same as picture, young, cute pretty face and eyes, big boobs. Though she had put on a bit of weight below her waist, but not in a bad way. She spoke English too, and was glad to practice. I extended it to 3 hrs total 15 minutes after arriving and I think it cost 3 K or thereabouts. Drank and chatted for the first hour, then she took the lead. Fairly standard process. Clean up, oral, riding. She was skilled and was acting like she was into it pretty well. BBFSCIP was available for +2 K, I declined. Enjoyed myself. WIR. Yes, not a bad option to have.

3. Same agency, other girl: Will keep it short. Smoked pot and drank 2 beers together. 2 hours =2 K + A level = +1 K. Decent looking (same as photo), excellent job skills and work ethic. Amazing. WIR: Yes, great for a no fuss all access quicky.

Fiwfans reflections: Basically a hit or miss so keep low expectations. But great VFM if you find a gem. Spend a lot of time browsing / translating / reading reviews. I'd rather strike out on one fiwfans, book another right after and go than find a girl at a Suk beer bar these days TBH.

Tded-99: Was curious reading the discussion here (Thanks for FR K'Everything Thai). Went alone (long term expat, but speak very little Thai). As luck would have it, my cheap grab car booking was fulfilled by a big black SUV so I received a VIP welcome right at the entrance (A blazer opened doors, and gave me a 10 min "tour" of the place, his 2 lackeys walking meekly behind us). I had no intention of ST / LT, but within 5 minutes of being here, I understood that revealing this information will lead to a very boring night, so didn't say anything. Got myself a private room (I think 150/ HR), ordered a premium whisky bottle (1300, incl mixers iirc) + some snacks for the table (about 500). Manager asked about girls, I said get drinks first. Had a couple of drinks with manager guy to get more info. Basically ST is the only way for the girls to make any substantial money as room + company / hour is dirt cheap and no lady drinks. I am doubtful about 2 things- 1. Not sure if there are 2 separate classes of private karaoke rooms or not 2. Not sure if stage girls and other girls are strictly segregated and each having different boundaries for what they can offer.

Anyway, eventually called 4 girls in. They were meek and shy at first, but opened up soon enough. I insinuated that I can have only 2ST so whoever proves themselves / seduces me gets to go. That got things going. Nothing special enough to write about. Positive or negative. Just a decent drinking experience with few decent looking WGs. Bit of hand / mouth action, lots of touching / showing etc. The stage girls would walk into the room once every 15-20 minutes offering lap dances for 100 baht. I didn't refuse a single one, mainly to get a closer look at the stage talent. I think I had 10-15. The dance itself is nothing special, but for 100 baht, its a no brainer. Full access and they will motorboat you / dry hump you for 3-5 minutes. Definitely at least 2 were stunners. Like local TV / billboard ad level hot. Others worth mentioning- 2 girls had glasses on, and were doing the whole nerdy girl / librarian vibe (as much as their skimpy bikiny would allow). 1 proper tomboy. 1 Asian babydoll, 1 BBW MILF. I don't care much for looks so I am not going to compare this to other gogo's, but definitely decent looking girls, and definitely younger than other places. In the common / stage area, I think the dancers entertain specific requests for 100 baht, like a specific pose / move you want them to do, lap dance, nude twerking close to your table etc.

Although, this place definitely isn't for everyone, and I fully understand reason for mixed reviews in past discussion. I think being well versed in local Thai bar / nightlife etiquette is a minimum requirement to have a good time here. They are trying to extract as much money as possible from you (as any other gogo) and being able to handle it in a Thai way (save both face + non confrontational + make it more of a joke + be firm and clear) is essential to have a good time.

STs do seem interesting here. The manager mentioned not all girls will go, but most would go, and rate is same for any girl for ST - 2500 all incl. I quite like this. Hate the bargaining with the girl in suk etc. Next time I will try this.

Damages: I spent Total 6 or 7 K: Drinks: 1500, Food: 700, Room: 450 (they discounted voluntarily 150 although I was 25 minutes over), Company: 900 (3 X3 X100), lapdances 1300 (100*13), Tips: 1500 (mainly because girls were visibly pissed / disappointed because I didn't ST so gave 400 each). Other 300 to waiter etc.

WIR: Maybe. My local Thai working class bar is much more fun for much cheaper. (taxi driver would be a high spender kind of bar).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2955810]Buddy, don't put all natives in one basket. One state of India may be having four or five fold of population of your whole country. In developed countries people living shit holes are not having pretty fragrance. People will improve but give some time.[/QUOTE]It's genetic, can't be fixed with bathing. I got a Nuru massage at Aya last night and the girls said they don't like Indian guys because they smell bad even after showering right in front of them.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2955882]I have booked / paid hotel in Bangkok- but let me see.

Which place (s) in Pattaya, how much.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I live in Bangkok full time as I now rent out my Pattaya condo as I am finished growing my business there. Its runs by itself now. However, I still go back to Pattaya often for meetings and mongering. I sometimes grab a hotel room for one night and then go back. You are here to have fun, so who cares if you pay for your BKK room and Pattaya for one night. A good reason not to prepay and plan so much right? However, if you are dead set on not doing this, then do what I do. More often than not, I do a day trip to Pattaya. Then come back. Do your threesome in a gents club and come back after. Buses 131 Baht each way and they run 21 hours out of 24 hours per day. Taxis are cheap starting at 1200 Baht +++ each way.

For Bangkok threesomes, like I said, go to Tulip and Snow White. Tell them what you want and they will recommend girls. Same in Nana and Soi Cowboy and Patpong. Buy the Moma Son a drink and give her a small tip. She will then recommend the two girls that do threesomes in the go go bar.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2955782]Fiwfans: Tried 3 incalls. 1 was terrible, 1 was good, 1 was amazing.


Tded-99: Was curious reading the discussion here (Thanks for FR K'Everything Thai). Went alone (long term expat, but speak very little Thai). As luck would have it, my cheap grab car booking was fulfilled by a big black SUV so I received a VIP welcome right at the entrance (A blazer opened doors, and gave me a 10 min "tour" of the place, his 2 lackeys walking meekly behind us). I had no intention of ST / LT, but within 5 minutes of being here, [/QUOTE]Great report, in particular about Tded-99. Sounds like you handled it good, taking into account that you were not going to go with any girl.

I've never "ordered in" from fiwfans (and I don't think there's any problem mentioning the agency here, though I think only the specific girl is of interest, not the agency), but yeah, it's a hit and miss.

If I was still living in Thailand I'd probably take the time to figure out how to set up an uncensored fiwfans rating site, linking to girls on the real site, so we could not waste time on duds. I think Pattaya has something similar for thaifriendly freelancers.

I'd recommend trying to rate the girls you went with on the existing fiwfans site however (you can do it in English). Takes a bit of reading / practice to figure out how to give a bad rating without the review getting deleted, but at least you might help the next brother avoid a dud, and give a good girl some extra customers.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2955833]Who is specifically offering 3-somes anyway in Bangkok?

Price for extra can vary 50% - 150% (in German FKKs lesbian is extra over and above time - 150%.)

Here now in BKK. After some years. Sort of bit disappointing start. Too crowded, prices have skyrocketed, service has plummeted, and the Arab invasion.

Is Thermae a good bet.

Tips welcome.[/QUOTE]Threesomes are on offer in the old Eden Club now called Fern Bar, Soi 7/1.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2955782]

Tded-99: Was curious reading the discussion here (Thanks for FR K'Everything Thai). Went alone (long term expat, but speak very little Thai). As luck would have it, my cheap grab car booking was fulfilled by a big black SUV so I received a VIP welcome right at the entrance (A blazer opened doors, and gave me a 10 min "tour" of the place, his 2 lackeys walking meekly behind us). I had no intention of ST / LT, but within 5 minutes of being here, I understood that revealing this information will lead to a very boring night, so didn't say anything. Got myself a private room (I think 150/ HR), ordered a premium whisky bottle (1300, incl mixers iirc) + some snacks for the table (about 500). Manager asked about girls, I said get drinks first. Had a couple of drinks with manager guy to get more info. Basically ST is the only way for the girls to make any substantial money as room + company / hour is dirt cheap and no lady drinks. I am doubtful about 2 things- 1. Not sure if there are 2 separate classes of private karaoke rooms or not 2. Not sure if stage girls and other girls are strictly segregated and each having different boundaries for what they can offer.

Anyway, eventually called 4 girls in. They were meek and shy at first, but opened up soon enough. I insinuated that I can have only 2ST so whoever proves themselves / seduces me gets to go. That got things going. Nothing special enough to write about. Positive or negative. Just a decent drinking experience with few decent looking WGs. Bit of hand / mouth action, lots of touching / showing etc. The stage girls would walk into the room once every 15-20 minutes offering lap dances for 100 baht. I didn't refuse a single one, mainly to get a closer look at the stage talent. I think I had 10-15. The dance itself is nothing special, but for 100 baht, its a no brainer. Full access and they will motorboat you / dry hump you for 3-5 minutes. Definitely at least 2 were stunners. Like local TV / billboard ad level hot. Others worth mentioning- 2 girls had glasses on, and were doing the whole nerdy girl / librarian vibe (as much as their skimpy bikiny would allow). 1 proper tomboy. 1 Asian babydoll, 1 BBW MILF. I don't care much for looks so I am not going to compare this to other gogo's, but definitely decent looking girls, and definitely younger than other places. In the common / stage area, I think the dancers entertain specific requests for 100 baht, like a specific pose / move you want them to do, lap dance, nude twerking close to your table etc.

Although, this place definitely isn't for everyone, and I fully understand reason for mixed reviews in past discussion. I think being well versed in local Thai bar / nightlife etiquette is a minimum requirement to have a good time here. They are trying to extract as much money as possible from you (as any other gogo) and being able to handle it in a Thai way (save both face + non confrontational + make it more of a joke + be firm and clear) is essential to have a good time.

STs do seem interesting here. The manager mentioned not all girls will go, but most would go, and rate is same for any girl for ST - 2500 all incl. I quite like this. Hate the bargaining with the girl in suk etc. Next time I will try this.

Damages: I spent Total 6 or 7 K: Drinks: 1500, Food: 700, Room: 450 (they discounted voluntarily 150 although I was 25 minutes over), Company: 900 (3 X3 X100), lapdances 1300 (100*13), Tips: 1500 (mainly because girls were visibly pissed / disappointed because I didn't ST so gave 400 each). Other 300 to waiter etc.

WIR: Maybe. My local Thai working class bar is much more fun for much cheaper. (taxi driver would be a high spender kind of bar).[/QUOTE]Great report on T-Ded 99. I never get the lap dances and I always get a ST while I am there. Last week when I was there, a Chinese guy was exiting the ST hotel at the same time as me with two ladies. Therefore, threesomes also available.

You are right for this being a high end place where Thai are considered, but for the same experience you had here, it would cost you double in Soi Cowboy or Nana plaza, its great value. The guys are lucky you took the time to add this report. I will add it to the reports of distinction section too.

You are right that knowing Thai goes a long way. If you take the time to learn, you will notice a huge difference in your experience, it will be 1 million times better.

Just wanted to share with the community as many of my questions were answered previously. Not going to go into too much detail, as it wouldn't offer anything new or too much info due to so many posts on here. Nana Plaza club is where many of the Nana girls go after it closes, so you can always go there for those girls cheaper afterwards. Nana club is literraly right across the street from Nana Plaza, there's even escalators to take you to the club on the 2nd floor. Also, check out Mixx club, it has many freelancers (not just Thai, but a few other ethnicities). Girls took me and my friends to some other after party club with more girls, don't remember the name. One late night (after 1 am) I got super lazy but horny and didn't want to leave my room to get a girl. Was able to find a Cambodian to come over and a Laos girl right after her via TF. Sucks that TG doesn't have the "People Nearby" option anymore, because that would've been another great resource to pull from. Whatever mongering plans you make, don't be discouraged if it doesn't work out and always have a plan be. Know that plans see. Z can be achieved by just going with the flow and see where the night takes you. If you don't get any action or go home alone for the night then it's because YOU yourself chose to, as I've learned its impossible to keep your dick dry for less than 8 hours while there.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2956019]Thanks for a very good report on what goes on in Tded-99. Would take wingmen away from Nana Plaza a night to sample local flavors.

What other local Thai working class bars worth visiting?

FIWFANS independents may be rejects by agencies. Girls, who look worse and weigh significant heavier than their pics, should be reported.

Agencies vet info by their girls so they are more reliable. The half dozen FIWFANS girls I bagged all look better in person than in pics. They also act nice, sweet, sexy, much more so than bar girls. Only 1 FIWFANS girl work out of a hotel in a Muslim neighborhood far out on the East side. Her room was so messy with clothes and food everywhere, like she lived there a long time, turned me off.

Agency girls said they have to pay 1,500 bahts a day for the hotel room off Sukh 55.[/QUOTE]On the same road as T-Ded 99 there are 4 other bars. Then as you go along all the way to Ratchada, you will see many small bars and KTVs that cater to the locals.

As for your assumptions on Fiw Fans girls, that is not the case. Some girls don't want to work in bars. Others switch back and forth depending on how the money is at either options. Some work Fiw Fans if the bar is closed for a no drinking day. It's either Fiw fans, a Bangkok Gents club, A Thai bar like T-Ded 99 or a Thai massage place geared for the locals. not sure what agencies you are talking about, but there are not Escort agencies for Thais as you might think. Any agency for local Thais operate on these Thai only sideline websites that are a mix of independents and agencies. Fiw fans is not the place for the Thai girl rejects that agencies don't want. Most of the agencies operate on these websites. You may think you are chatting with the girl, but in reality, it's their admin for the agency with multiple line accounts, one for each girl they sell.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2956073]Great report, in particular about Tded-99. Sounds like you handled it good, taking into account that you were not going to go with any girl.

I've never "ordered in" from fiwfans (and I don't think there's any problem mentioning the agency here, though I think only the specific girl is of interest, not the agency), but yeah, it's a hit and miss.

If I was still living in Thailand I'd probably take the time to figure out how to set up an uncensored fiwfans rating site, linking to girls on the real site, so we could not waste time on duds. I think Pattaya has something similar for thaifriendly freelancers.

I'd recommend trying to rate the girls you went with on the existing fiwfans site however (you can do it in English). Takes a bit of reading / practice to figure out how to give a bad rating without the review getting deleted, but at least you might help the next brother avoid a dud, and give a good girl some extra customers.[/QUOTE]1. Apologies if I caused any confusion because of my poor vocabulary. I went to all 3, not other way around (AFAIK Incall=Payer go to provider location).

2. I'm not going to build a review site or a rating system, just not worth the time or effort for me (I am really really time poor). I know how to navigate this town, last few FRs were more of a charity project than anything else.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2956083]Great report on T-Ded 99. I never get the lap dances and I always get a ST while I am there. Last week when I was there, a Chinese guy was exiting the ST hotel at the same time as me with two ladies. Therefore, threesomes also available.

You are right for this being a high end place where Thai are considered, but for the same experience you had here, it would cost you double in Soi Cowboy or Nana plaza, its great value. The guys are lucky you took the time to add this report. I will add it to the reports of distinction section too.

You are right that knowing Thai goes a long way. If you take the time to learn, you will notice a huge difference in your experience, it will be 1 million times better.[/QUOTE]1. For drinking / hanging out with scantily clad females. I think Tded is 3-4 x better VFM / cheaper than the typical foreigner oriented gogo's.

2. IMHO, language is far less important than a keen understanding of local etiquette / social customs specific to such settings. I could never dream of learning as many languages as would be needed for my past experiences, but 2-3 hours people watching at a popular local cafe / bar (anytime you visit any new city) and sincerely people watching for inter-gender interactions is a huge value boost.

3. By local working class, I meant the type of bars where taxi drivers are high rollers. They don't exist on google maps or so, but if you live here, take a random walk around the less rich looking streets around your place after 9 pm, you will find them. 1/2 k is max I have spent at such places for an experience similar / exceeding what I had at Tded (Sans the private room). Another class between Tded and my nasty preferences also exists. Like large open air live music hostess bars. Been 3/4 years since I went to one of those.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2956117]1. Apologies if I caused any confusion because of my poor vocabulary. I went to all 3, not other way around (AFAIK Incall=Payer go to provider location).

2. I'm not going to build a review site or a rating system, just not worth the time or effort for me (I am really really time poor). I know how to navigate this town, last few FRs were more of a charity project than anything else.[/QUOTE]No worries, your terminology was right, it was I who was confused.

I agree with you on two and feel the same, but if I was still living in Thailand I'd probably find it worthwhile to spend a few days figuring out how to do that.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2956109]Just wanted to share with the community as many of my questions were answered previously. Not going to go into too much detail, as it wouldn't offer anything new or too much info due to so many posts on here. Nana Plaza club is where many of the Nana girls go after it closes, so you can always go there for those girls cheaper afterwards. Nana club is literraly right across the street from Nana Plaza, there's even escalators to take you to the club on the 2nd floor. Also, check out Mixx club, it has many freelancers (not just Thai, but a few other ethnicities). Girls took me and my friends to some other after party club with more girls, don't remember the name. One late night (after 1 am) I got super lazy but horny and didn't want to leave my room to get a girl. Was able to find a Cambodian to come over and a Laos girl right after her via TF. Sucks that TG doesn't have the "People Nearby" option anymore, because that would've been another great resource to pull from. Whatever mongering plans you make, don't be discouraged if it doesn't work out and always have a plan be. Know that plans see. Z can be achieved by just going with the flow and see where the night takes you. If you don't get any action or go home alone for the night then it's because YOU yourself chose to, as I've learned its impossible to keep your dick dry for less than 8 hours while there.[/QUOTE]Good. Tell us more about your time at Mixx.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2956011]Targeting Thermae on my next visit on day after tomorrow. Got few friends from TF too. On financial side TF is better but chances of hit and miss. In final round have to go for VC and if things are not favourable move to Thermae. Thinking Mondays are not much active in Thermae, but will try the luck too. Why BF and LDs, go straight to girls for twosome or threesome.[/QUOTE]I tried Thermae (opens at 8 only). It is an enormous crazy zoo. Too many girls, most not great quality. Based on huge crowd very difficult to navigate. I negotiated a ST.

Tried a bit TF - no luck - I think one needs sign up etc.

Detailed report later.

Is Khaosan Rd worth exploring or Sukhumvit already has it all (the good and the bad n ugly).

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2956288]Is Khaosan Rd worth exploring or Sukhumvit already has it all (the good and the bad n ugly).[/QUOTE]Waste of time.

Only saving Grace is if you want to see addicts doing Balloons.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2956288]Is Khaosan Rd worth exploring or Sukhumvit already has it all (the good and the bad n ugly).[/QUOTE]Not unless you are under 30.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2956288]Is Khaosan Rd worth exploring or Sukhumvit already has it all (the good and the bad n ugly).[/QUOTE]There area few massage shops there, but the bars are mostly full of backpackers and young university girls. If you want to monger there, you better have your A game on. For pure mongering in Bangkok where you will be assured of good results, stick to the following:

1. Nana Plaza.

2. Nana Soi 4 beer bars.

3. Soi 7 Beer bars.

4. Soi 7/1 Massage.

5. Soi 8 BJ bars.

6. Soi 11 Clubs for freelancers.

7. Soi Cowboy.

8. Soi 23 massage shops.

9. Soi 22 massages and beer bars.

10. Soi 31,31 massage shops.

12. Soi 24 massage shops.

13. Soi 24/1 massage shops.

14. Ratchada and Rama 9 massage shops.

15. Tinder, Thai Friendly, and We chat people nearby.

16. High end gents clubs like the Pimp. Expensive and you also need your A game.

17. Saphan Kwai, such as T-Ded 99, but you really need to speak some Thai otherwise it can be hit and miss.

18. Patpong go go bars

19. RCA massage complex

20. Mixx Club for freelancers

21. Thermae Cafe

If you want to try your A game at Khaosan Rd, you might also want to consider RCA in the Rama 9 area as well.

However, If you stick to the core areas such as the Sukhunvit area, that will ensure your success and a great time.

By the way, did you see my reply to you about threesomes and making a day trip to Pattaya? You won't regret it if you take the day to visit a gents club in Pattaya. You will have an amazing threesome in one of the many gents clubs there for sure. These are not the same as the gents clubs in Bangkok, so don't get confused.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2956366]By the way, did you see my reply to you about threesomes and making a day trip to Pattaya? You won't regret it if you take the day to visit a gents club in Pattaya. You will have an amazing threesome in one of the many gents clubs there for sure.[/QUOTE]Second the motion on this suggestion [B]EverythingThai[/B]. I've have the same threesome success that you have in the [B]Pattaya[/B] Gentleman Clubs.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2956285]I tried Thermae (opens at 8 only). It is an enormous crazy zoo. Too many girls, most not great quality. [/QUOTE]Let us know where you find a group of better looking girls in Bangkok over Thermae. I don't want to be missing out.

FYI Khaosan is not your answer at all unless you're 30 and a backpacker type and are able to pick up 30 and under civilian women in your home country.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2371112]Dumb Japs[/QUOTE]

Maybe this is why you don't like Thermae.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2956438]Let us know where you find a group of better looking girls in Bangkok over Thermae. I don't want to be missing out.

FYI Khaosan is not your answer at all unless you're 30 and a backpacker type and are able to pick up 30 and under civilian women in your home country.



Maybe this is why you don't like Thermae.[/QUOTE]Any place where there are over 100 available ladies at any given time is fine with me.

Online I found a bunch of places that offer testical massage.

Has anyone tried this?

Or are these places just another name for soft massage and HJ?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2956438]Let us know where you find a group of better looking girls in Bangkok over Thermae. I don't want to be missing out.

FYI Khaosan is not your answer at all unless you're 30 and a backpacker type and are able to pick up 30 and under civilian women in your home country.



Maybe this is why you don't like Thermae.[/QUOTE]Easy, online. If one does their research one will find gals on fiwfans that are better looking than what you see in Thermae. But you have to be willing to travel.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956562]Easy, online. If one does their research one will find gals on fiwfans that are better looking than what you see in Thermae. But you have to be willing to travel.[/QUOTE]LOL in seriousness, if by better looking you mean better looking pics. Fiwfans js basically a wild west of photoshop. Any picture where the face is showing is almost definitely shopped. That is the only way most thai girls would consent to having their pics there. Not to mention you can't even request video calls bc most are using bookers.

Rapping up a 60 dayer in Thailand. Started the big trip with a short trip down to Chonburi and Pattaya to check on the farm. Growing season is technically all year long, but those who know, end of August always reigns supreme for crops. Farm, farmers, and po pos doing just fine. Pattaya was still same ole, same ole. Didn't bother with Soi 6, BooCow, or any other place besides WS for one night. Walking Street was still the same to me, just like in previous trips. Same girls still telling the same lies and believe it or not, still claiming to be the same age when I first met them. Stuck with a few boondis in my trusted Black Book, in the week I was there, and then it was go go go and off to BKK.

Where I stayed: Silom / Sathorn hostels and capsules for less than 300 baht a night. Arrived way early and had go to the nearby Edge of glory to shower and store my luggage for 50 baht.

What I ate: 2600-2700 kilocalories a day with 120+ grams of protein to keep my muscles intact. Less than 180 baht a day spent of meals. Started everyday with hearty oatmeal, banana, plums, and apples. Nom Nom.

How I traveled: Buses, MRT, BTS, ARL, and these two feet. No taxis, no Bolt.

What I did for fun: Gym and Girls. Both does the body good.

How many girls in 60 days: Total was 42.

6 boondis from the BB (1500 ea).

12 FF (1500 max, mostly 1100-1300).

16 Chulas with helped from the locals (1000 ea, but 7 were free).

4 gym girls (free except for losing my workout time which has value).

4 hostel roommates (free but did have to pay for some meals for them).

Shit load of girls after-hours at the Don Squared Donkey cafe upstairs. Flipped by backpack to the front. Taped my eyes downward. Hands behind my back. Bowed a bunch and said "High High. " None budge off 2500. Too rich for this Punjabi and his backwards backpack.

Total spent for 60 days on the ground was less than 80 K baht for both months for food, shelter, transport, gym, and banging of 42 girls. All cardio escapades were outcalls or booked short time hotels with the hostel girls. Did not make a single trip to Nana, Cowboy, Thermae or Sukhumvit for the matter. Went to one bar at Patong for 15 minutes and that was it. No massages. No clubs. No cruising the streets or railroad tracks. How good I've become at navigating all the web of lies and deceit Thailand has to offer. Did go to MBK to get some pineapple jelly packs. 50 a box. 2 boxes for 1400. That will last me a year. Mix it into some juice and a packet can be split into half for me. 200 servings.

Sorry if this is short and not the norm, and can be quite confusing to some, but it's called evolution. Either that or I am just a noob. I think I actually have transcended to different playing field. Onward ho to another adventure in a far away place in the not so distant future. Bye Felicias!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956562]Easy, online. If one does their research one will find gals on fiwfans that are better looking than what you see in Thermae. But you have to be willing to travel.[/QUOTE]Yeah if you only want to drool over photos then yeah Fiwfans photoshopped pics are great, but everyone knows you take a serious punt if you book one as to what might meet you on the other side of the door!

But in all seriousness, if say there are a 100 girls on offer in Thermae at any time of the night (haven't counted but I doubt we are too far out), I really can't understand how anyone (by their own standards) would not be able to find multiple girls that would be do'able.

There must be seriously something wrong with you, if you don't think any girl in Thermae is acceptable. When I read such posts, I turn off immediately and go onto the next post. I can't help feeling that such a poster has never actually visited Thermae.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956562]Easy, online. If one does their research one will find gals on fiwfans that are better looking than what you see in Thermae. But you have to be willing to travel.[/QUOTE]I agree with Lager. The photoshop is so heavy at times on FF and TF, I've only seen one lady from there that's close / better looking that the ones I pick in Thermae. I've definitely got some better service from TF and FF but if you just want looks probably better to got to Thermae from those three options. I haven't been to gogo in forever so can't really comment on that. I did find some nice pics on TF but they quoted 5 k and wouldn't budge so maybe they would end up better looking than the ladies I picked from Thermae.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2956677]I agree with Lager. The photoshop is so heavy at times on FF and TF, I've only seen one lady from there that's close / better looking that the ones I pick in Thermae. I've definitely got some better service from TF and FF but if you just want looks probably better to got to Thermae from those three options. I haven't been to gogo in forever so can't really comment on that. I did find some nice pics on TF but they quoted 5 k and wouldn't budge so maybe they would end up better looking than the ladies I picked from Thermae.[/QUOTE]Yeah everyone should realize that when people say "Photoshop" here they don't actually mean Photoshop the product. That was the domain of experts doing digital airbrushing — a real skill. But now there are apps where just one button click makes you beautiful.

Honestly it's amazing. There is an App called FaceApp and I am sure there are others. Where you can pick movie 1-4 with 4 being the most modified. Or Charm 1-4 that does levels of smile enhancement. Want to see urself as a girl? Or at 85 years old? (Warning you can't unsee this! One click. It is totally amazing.

Point is this technology to make a 5 a 9 is literally one click away. So yeah. Everyone is going to do it!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2956694]Yeah everyone should realize that when people say "Photoshop" here they don't actually mean Photoshop the product. That was the domain of experts doing digital airbrushing a real skill. But now there are apps where just one button click makes you beautiful.

Honestly it's amazing. There is an App called FaceApp and I am sure there are others. Where you can pick movie 1-4 with 4 being the most modified. Or Charm 1-4 that does levels of smile enhancement. Want to see urself as a girl? Or at 85 years old? (Warning you can't unsee this! One click. It is totally amazing.

Point is this technology to make a 5 a 9 is literally one click away. So yeah. Everyone is going to do it![/QUOTE]Here is a quick example. Searched "unsexy female face" on Google. First pic. She's really not ugly but def not attractive. 15 seconds later unsmiling but pretty. Added hair. 5 seconds later. Smiling. Seriously. Whole thing took less than 1 minute. Still recognizable but totally different.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2956694]Yeah everyone should realize that when people say "Photoshop" here they don't actually mean Photoshop the product. That was the domain of experts doing digital airbrushing a real skill. But now there are apps where just one button click makes you beautiful.

Honestly it's amazing. There is an App called FaceApp and I am sure there are others. Where you can pick movie 1-4 with 4 being the most modified. Or Charm 1-4 that does levels of smile enhancement. Want to see urself as a girl? Or at 85 years old? (Warning you can't unsee this! One click. It is totally amazing.

Point is this technology to make a 5 a 9 is literally one click away. So yeah. Everyone is going to do it![/QUOTE]Here is a quick example. Searched "unsexy female face" on Google. First pic. She's really not ugly but def not attractive. 15 seconds later unsmiling but pretty. 5 seconds later. Smiling.

We don't have a chance. That's why I prefer soapys and sugaring. I've always been let down by websites. Pics are always modified in some way.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2956715]Here is a quick example. Searched "unsexy female face" on Google. First pic. She's really not ugly but def not attractive. 15 seconds later unsmiling but pretty. Added hair. 5 seconds later. Smiling. Seriously. Whole thing took less than 1 minute. Still recognizable but totally different.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PgReal;2956670]Yeah if you only want to drool over photos then yeah Fiwfans photoshopped pics are great, but everyone knows you take a serious punt if you book one as to what might meet you on the other side of the door![/QUOTE]Do attractive girls fuck better than less attractive girls?

[QUOTE=PgReal;2956670]Yeah if you only want to drool over photos then yeah Fiwfans photoshopped pics are great, but everyone knows you take a serious punt if you book one as to what might meet you on the other side of the door!

But in all seriousness, if say there are a 100 girls on offer in Thermae at any time of the night (haven't counted but I doubt we are too far out), I really can't understand how anyone (by their own standards) would not be able to find multiple girls that would be do'able.

There must be seriously something wrong with you, if you don't think any girl in Thermae is acceptable. When I read such posts, I turn off immediately and go onto the next post. I can't help feeling that such a poster has never actually visited Thermae.[/QUOTE]Dude, I first went to Thermae in 99, the year moved to Bangkok. And I've been posting on this forum for well over two decades. During my first 10 years here I probably took well over 200 girls from Thermae. So yes, I've been there. Believe it or not one's eyes tend to change the longer one has been here. What I found attractive 25 years ago is not what I find attractive now. And one of the most unattractive things about the ladies in Thermae now is the attitudes. It used to be a very interactive place. You'd walk around once and numerous girls would grab your unit, look you straight in the eye, and say go with you. They were aggressive and fun and like to party. Now it's a bunch of wallflowers. And overall I don't think the performance is in any way what it used to be. I never had a problem getting a GFE or a PSE from there back in the day. In addition I have numerous post over the last 10 plus years talking about the changes in Thermae and the reasons for those changes. So no there is nothing wrong with me. , or perhaps there is, I've been here very long time.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2956677]I agree with Lager. The photoshop is so heavy at times on FF and TF, I've only seen one lady from there that's close / better looking that the ones I pick in Thermae. I've definitely got some better service from TF and FF but if you just want looks probably better to got to Thermae from those three options. I haven't been to gogo in forever so can't really comment on that. I did find some nice pics on TF but they quoted 5 k and wouldn't budge so maybe they would end up better looking than the ladies I picked from Thermae.[/QUOTE]Sigh, as I said if you want to do a
fiwfans you need to do your research. And that doesn't mean simply looking at the site. Joining the telegram review groups where local punters post actual pictures and more truthful reviews is part of the game. This requires the ability to read Thai, or use telegram Chrome web app with Google translate. Additionally if you join the agents telegram groups they will post clearer pictures that are way less photoshopped on those groups. Overall it's really not a game for tourists, as research requires a lot of time, travel can be lengthy, travel can be time consuming, and knowledge of the city is quite helpful. I would say that tourists are best served with gogos, Thermae, SWs, TF, and oilies, the latter of which is the only one of that group I still frequent, mainly because I've known the owners of the PSE shops, some as far back is 07 when they worked at Tulip.

[QUOTE=Lager;2956620]LOL in seriousness, if by better looking you mean better looking pics. Fiwfans js basically a wild west of photoshop. Any picture where the face is showing is almost definitely shopped. That is the only way most thai girls would consent to having their pics there. Not to mention you can't even request video calls bc most are using bookers.[/QUOTE]Of course they're using agents. The girls don't want to waste time with video calls with the outside chance someone's going to make a booking. You'd be surprised at the number of time wasters, both local and foreign. Dudes asking for free pics, free video calls, etc. furthermore, you can develop rapport with certain agents, tell them what you like, and they will make recommendations.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956829]Dude, I first went to Thermae in 99, the year moved to Bangkok. And I've been posting on this forum for well over two decades. During my first 10 years here I probably took well over 200 girls from Thermae. So yes, I've been there. Believe it or not one's eyes tend to change the longer one has been here. What I found attractive 25 years ago is not what I find attractive now. And one of the most unattractive things about the ladies in Thermae now is the attitudes. It used to be a very interactive place. You'd walk around once and numerous girls would grab your unit, look you straight in the eye, and say go with you. They were aggressive and fun and like to party. Now it's a bunch of wallflowers. And overall I don't think the performance is in any way what it used to be. I never had a problem getting a GFE or a PSE from there back in the day. In addition I have numerous post over the last 10 plus years talking about the changes in Thermae and the reasons for those changes. So no there is nothing wrong with me. , or perhaps there is, I've been here very long time.[/QUOTE]I would hardly ever disagree with the GOAT and tend to lean on his side here. I've got almost 30 years of Thermae and it used to be a party zone. There used to be a cop that worked there, remember him Goat? Younger guy with the high and tight? But they arent interactive anymore, and don't party, probably because its all Chinese and they don't know how to party with girls like 50 farangs do, and there are times I'm the only farang in the place.

I have no problem getting what I want, and if maybe their performance is not the same as it was during the old days, neither is mine.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956831]Sigh, as I said if you want to do a
fiwfans you need to do your research. And that doesn't mean simply looking at the site. Joining the telegram review groups where local punters post actual pictures and more truthful reviews is part of the game. This requires the ability to read Thai, or use telegram Chrome web app with Google translate. Additionally if you join the agents telegram groups they will post clearer pictures that are way less photoshopped on those groups. Overall it's really not a game for tourists, as research requires a lot of time, travel can be lengthy, travel can be time consuming, and knowledge of the city is quite helpful. I would say that tourists are best served with gogos, Thermae, SWs, TF, and oilies, the latter of which is the only one of that group I still frequent, mainly because I've known the owners of the PSE shops, some as far back is 07 when they worked at Tulip.[/QUOTE]Should be stickied. Keep in mind Google translate translates literally too.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956829]Dude, I first went to Thermae in 99, the year moved to Bangkok. And I've been posting on this forum for well over two decades. During my first 10 years here I probably took well over 200 girls from Thermae. So yes, I've been there. Believe it or not one's eyes tend to change the longer one has been here. What I found attractive 25 years ago is not what I find attractive now. And one of the most unattractive things about the ladies in Thermae now is the attitudes. It used to be a very interactive place. You'd walk around once and numerous girls would grab your unit, look you straight in the eye, and say go with you. They were aggressive and fun and like to party. Now it's a bunch of wallflowers. And overall I don't think the performance is in any way what it used to be. I never had a problem getting a GFE or a PSE from there back in the day. In addition I have numerous post over the last 10 plus years talking about the changes in Thermae and the reasons for those changes. So no there is nothing wrong with me. , or perhaps there is, I've been here very long time.[/QUOTE]You've completely missed the point of my post.

Doing some research for my next visit to bkk I've noticed a few new places with what seems to be Japanese style cosplay.

YouTube search: psyche dream.

Looks like potential fun.

Grateful for reviews / comments.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956833]Of course they're using agents. The girls don't want to waste time with video calls with the outside chance someone's going to make a booking. You'd be surprised at the number of time wasters, both local and foreign. Dudes asking for free pics, free video calls, etc. furthermore, you can develop rapport with certain agents, tell them what you like, and they will make recommendations.[/QUOTE]So, the most tech savvy of prostitutes will be put AI agents at work for them and be able to answer all the video calls they want. Only the most tech savvy [B]International Tricks will be able to tell the difference[/B]. LOL!

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2956551]Online I found a bunch of places that offer testical massage.

Has anyone tried this?

Or are these places just another name for soft massage and HJ?[/QUOTE]What places did you find? It is a real thing, which you can take a course in and get a bona fide diploma in. It's part of Thai massage, but is not taught as part of the normal Thai massage course, but an extra. I was told it's taught, and also offered, amongst other places at the fertility clinic of some Bangkok hospital I no longer remember the name of.

If you find someone who has actually learned how to do it, it will not simply be a HJ. You can ask them if they have taken a course in it to know if it's genuine. If not, it will probably just be a more or less regular HJ.

A couple of years back I posted a photo of the diploma of an reasonably attractive girl who worked in one of the massage shops on soi 33. Apart from her, I can only remember one other woman who knew how to do it, and that was 10+ years ago when I was living in Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2956891]What places did you find? It is a real thing, which you can take a course in and get a bona fide diploma in. It's part of Thai massage, but is not taught as part of the normal Thai massage course, but an extra. I was told it's taught, and also offered, amongst other places at the fertility clinic of some Bangkok hospital I no longer remember the name of.

If you find someone who has actually learned how to do it, it will not simply be a HJ. You can ask them if they have taken a course in it to know if it's genuine. If not, it will probably just be a more or less regular HJ.

A couple of years back I posted a photo of the diploma of an reasonably attractive girl who worked in one of the massage shops on soi 33. Apart from her, I can only remember one other woman who knew how to do it, and that was 10+ years ago when I was living in Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]I googled testical massage Bangkok and there is a list.

What is a real testical massage like?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2956835]...and there are times I'm the only farang in the place.[/QUOTE]Hmm I've seen this one white fella multiple times there. The only one I remember seeing in my last trip earlier this year and I saw him again in my recent Oct trip. Would that happen to be you? LOL.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2956935]Hmm I've seen this one white fella multiple times there. The only one I remember seeing in my last trip earlier this year and I saw him again in my recent Oct trip. Would that happen to be you? LOL.[/QUOTE]Depends. What do I look like?

[QUOTE=PgReal;2956843]You've completely missed the point of my post.[/QUOTE]No, I got your point. Overall, I don't find the women in thermae to be that attractive. I thought I made that clear. I find more attractive girls in certain oilies and online. Are there a few girls that I would find attractive in Tmae? Well, probably yes, but many of them will not go with white men. And when it comes to my performance standards would probably not meet them. That is the point I'm trying to make.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2956835]I would hardly ever disagree with the GOAT and tend to lean on his side here. I've got almost 30 years of Thermae and it used to be a party zone. There used to be a cop that worked there, remember him Goat? Younger guy with the high and tight? But they arent interactive anymore, and don't party, probably because its all Chinese and they don't know how to party with girls like 50 farangs do, and there are times I'm the only farang in the place.

I have no problem getting what I want, and if maybe their performance is not the same as it was during the old days, neither is mine.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I remember that dude, we nicknamed him Siam Johnson, and also the older cop that used to walk around occasionally. On the rare times I stop by it's always good to say Hello, to Somchsi, he was always the one that waited on us. And he always asks about my older friend who moved back to the States several years ago. I probably had more fun in there than any place in Bangkok save midnight before it was bought by the Arab and Cactus during its hey day. I really miss those days. You also had a collection of some of the most interesting expats in Bangkok. Many of the SE Asian writers who many of you have read would hang out there several nights a week. There would always be people you would recognize there.

If you were a regular many of the gals there with know exactly what you liked and what you wanted before you even went with them, because they all shared information about the denizens who frequented the place. It was kind of funny.

One of my favorite memories is this girl, I think her name was Bo. She was in her late twenties and one hell of a performer. She didn't come very often but when she did we just make eye contact and head out the door together. One night I walked in and she came up to me and said we're going tonight because I'm getting married tomorrow. I was like, okay. Had a wonderful sash. Didn't see her for about a year and then walked in and saw her sitting with a late middle-aged dude. She introduced him as her husband. We talked for a while and he said you have to come over for dinner one night, but you can't eat what you used to. We were both rolling on the floor.

It was really wonderful when they had the short time hotel behind Clinton plaza. I remember on several occasions a girl saying go with you and we headed out of Thermae to the ST hotel at Clinton and didn't exchange names until after the deed was done. And remember there used to be tuk-tuks parked outside? I'd roll out, jump into one, and they already knew the way home. A much different Bangkok.

I think it's fantastic that you can still find what you're looking for there, but also the scene tends to run a bit late for me these days. It's usually online or oilies for me late afternoon early evening, then a nice dinner somewhere with friends, followed by a feel really good craft beers and our usual place, then home by 10:00. The old man gets up pretty early to drag his butt to the gym.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2956948]Depends. What do I look like?[/QUOTE]Hmm I'm not good at describing people but I do remember this guy, if it was you, showing nudes of a lady he was with in my last trip around April LOL. Think he kind of saw me peeking as he was showing his friend hah. IIRC he had glasses and around 5 ft 6 ish. Your inbox was full or else I would have just messaged you there.

First time soloing trip in BKK for a few days, mostly staying in Nana plaza area. My prev experience was only in Angeles city (for 3 weeks), so I am still pretty fresh, so all this stuff might already been obvious to many of you, apologies if I am beating a deadhorse here.

My thoughts and reflections about BKK vs Angeles.

Angeles to me was more accessible, we mostly hang out in XS, we got to know the mamasan quite well, it was a group of us, so we did spent and got the VIP? Exp, my other friends are frequent mongers so they knew the lay. Just lurking around the forum, I guess its the fact that the girls talk amongst themselves, esp when a group of guys who are just fun to be around and spend the money. I really enjoyed the exp, we ended up taking the same girls back mostly, and I really enjoyed the GFE + the intimacy, which is interesting because I thought I'd pick a different girl to fuck every night. I ended up picking the hottest girl (imo) and taking her back.

With that context, coming to BKK, solo albeit was so different.

- I mostly stuck to Nana plaza, as this was the most accessible since all of the clubs were close together. The vibes reminded me of walking street on angeles. I did find the rainbow club had the best line up (varies night by night).

- for the first 2 nights, I tried hang out w a few girls whom I thought were cute, but there wasnt that much chemisty (you might call me stupid / naive here, be / see who gives a fuck about chemistry when you are just trying to bang the hottest girl here bust a nut, but just sticking my dick in pussy and cum is just somewhat above masturbating to me).

- the other thing were just talking to the main mamasan + buying some drinks to build rapport (apparently all of the waitress in orange is a mamasan, but there is 2 - 3 boss in diff cloth that patrol around).

- Mamasan in that rainbow club was less helpful than I'd liked (recommand girls and about their background), but I did build rapport with them (they are still just people trying to have fun and dick around).

- I figured that if I was at a club at home, you buy a drink for a girl who might just leave for the same money, but here I get sit and play with her and pay for her time, why the fuck not.

- some girls order 2 drink combo right off the bat (shot + chaser), if you are not careful, your bills rack up, also good to say no early and swap girls if there is no chemisty (some girls don't fucking talk and they just sit there and dance).

- I found out I am bad at picking girls (I picked out attractive girls, some where good dancing), so alot of experimentation there and many drinks later.

- I read here you want to pick a girl that picks you (make fuck me eye contacts, etc) but it was hard to distinguish if they just wanted me to dispense some cash or wanted hang (you can argue its all moot point because we are just all walking ATMs for them).

- I did found a girl (7. 5) that did want to fuck my brains out (she only asked for 1 or 2 drinks for the hour and half there and there was some dirty action on the couch, I ended up giving her the reminder of my cash as a tip bonus, figured that money prob woulda went to drinks anyways).

- I think I was really chasing the GFE feeling from my trip in angeles, cout not find someone that was superhot + had chemisty.

Thai sidelines.

- I figured that if we are just doing quick fucks, ill try my hands at sidelines since all of the pictures online look hot.

- reality check when I met the first girl, fuck me for forgetting photoshop and beautify apps (rookie ass move), the picture online were 8. 5, but in person, she was atleast a few years older and 10 kg heavier. Shoulda just turned around and left, but I marched on, her service was good, but I wanted to quickly finish. 1500 damage.

- I figured that was maybe a bad apple, so I tried 6-7 other girls, here is what I gathered.

- drop atleast 1 or 2 grade from the pictures online, its mostly the same girl, but either little make up or older etc.

- arrangement was easy, but taxi there and back is a pain is the ass (30-40 min) each way, huge waste of time.

- some girls where enthusiastic, but I met this one girl, she looked like she 200% didn't want to be there, deadpan face, no smile. I didn't even finish, just left.

- it was so much more transactional than gogobars christ, and I really didn't like that.

- good if you want a quick fuck, but honestly at this point, the effort is almost not worth it.

- should try to aim for "new arrival" girls on the sites, or girls that are 20-21, older age are hit and miss.

Back to Nana.

- I figured that the premium I pay at gogo bar, is I get to see the goods before I decide and can talk to see if there is chemistry.

- went back to the same bar at usual spot (mamsan did remember). I was not focusing on girls that I thought would have chemistry, still shit at picking, but I picked up a girl who actually looked like a girl I knew whom I had a crush on, she was talktive and and more alive. Took her back, short term, she wanted 5 k, but mamasan gave me 4 k.

- went back the next day, the same girl immediately asked to sit. I declined politely as I wanted to try some one new. I ended up eying this girl who was having a blast up there w 2 of her friends up there, she was hella hot too, called her down and immediately knew I made the right choice (thank fuck, cause I suck at picking).

- we ended up having alot of chemisty and she was a really fun girl, she danced alot and was just goofy, I asked to take her out, she said 4 k, but I can pay at hotel, so I pay the barfine and take her back. Already 2 am).

- we go back to room, make out and have nice fuck, she said that she need wanted to pick up her stuff from the bar (hinting she wanted to stay over). I told her I should pay her before she leaves, she nods and I hand over the money (I ended up giving her 3 k because I made a mistake, but she didn't seem to be bothered, I only realize this the morning after, which then I gave her another 1. 5). I walk and get the shit and we go back to hotel to sleep.

- she hangs around until 3 pm the next day, then tells me she has to go get ready for work, and ask If ill come. I told her I would.

- 8/9/10 PM comes around, I had to finish some work stuff, she asks me if I am coming cause her feet were hurting. I tell her Ill go and to take her out. We go have some food after I take her out and we go back to the hotel. She spend the night, we have a great time. I checkout the next day.

My learnings.

- the last girl didn't make it transactional, I was more than happy to buy her as many drinks as she wanted in the club, or tip her after the hotel (call me a cash ATM or watever, but isn't this what we spend money for? To chase a feeling and live life?

- I learned that the more transactional it is, the more I'd dislike it.

- I found out she is the youngest girl there (20) and just started working 3 months ago, she seems to be making money here to go spend on food / vacation and just live her life.

- chemistry was important to make it more fun and have better time.

- dick in hole is kinda meh for the price, you end up paying atleast 6 k for it (drinks + barfine + girl cost).

- I much prefer GFE exp, but this is hard to achieve?

Curious to hear if yall fellas had similar exp, or I am just new at this and just going through the ringer. Anyways thanks for reading!

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2956910]I googled testical massage Bangkok and there is a list.

What is a real testical massage like?[/QUOTE]I don't want to disgust the other readers here with too much details, but ...

It involves a fair amount of stretching of the scrotum skin, to the extent it feels rather painful sometimes, but in a good way. Similar to Thai massage, alternating a bit between feeling good and feeling painful. The majority of time is spent on your balls and surrounding area, rather than on your dick.
The feeling afterwards is also kind of similar to after Thai massage (for me: both relaxed and energized). The next few erections also felt different. Stronger, harder, with increased blood flow. In short: it felt like a genuinely healthy thing, and I guess it could have some genuine benefits for some of the men who visit a fertility clinic for help, perhaps pre-viagra days more than now.

I imagine that if you get the massage (pronounced something like "nood kasai") at a "proper" place (I. E. , hospital), it will not include any ejaculation or much, if any, touching of your dick, but I have not tried this. Girl who worked on Soi 33 said the price at the hospital was around 2,000 per session if I remember correctly, and gave me the name of a hospital, but I don't remember the name anymore.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2957051]Hmm I'm not good at describing people but I do remember this guy, if it was you, showing nudes of a lady he was with in my last trip around April LOL. Think he kind of saw me peeking as he was showing his friend hah. IIRC he had glasses and around 5 ft 6 ish. Your inbox was full or else I would have just messaged you there.[/QUOTE]Not me, I don't show nudes.

[QUOTE=Bookface4;2957080]First time soloing trip in BKK for a few days, mostly staying in Nana plaza area. My prev experience was only in Angeles city (for 3 weeks), so I am still pretty fresh, so all this stuff might already been obvious to many of you, apologies if I am beating a deadhorse here.

My thoughts and reflections about BKK vs Angeles.

Angeles to me was more accessible, we mostly hang out in XS, we got to know the mamasan quite well, it was a group of us, so we did spent and got the VIP? Exp, my other friends are frequent mongers so they knew the lay. Just lurking around the forum, I guess its the fact that the girls talk amongst themselves, esp when a group of guys who are just fun to be around and spend the money. I really enjoyed the exp, we ended up taking the same girls back mostly, and I really enjoyed the GFE + the intimacy, which is interesting because I thought I'd pick a different girl to fuck every night. I ended up picking the hottest girl (imo) and taking her back.

With that context, coming to BKK, solo albeit was so different.

- I mostly stuck to Nana plaza, as this was the most accessible since all of the clubs were close together. The vibes reminded me of walking street on angeles. I did find the rainbow club had the best line up (varies night by night).

- for the first 2 nights, I tried hang out w a few girls whom I thought were cute, but there wasnt that much chemisty (you might call me stupid / naive here, be / see who gives a fuck about chemistry when you are just trying to bang the hottest girl here bust a nut, but just sticking my dick in pussy and cum is just somewhat above masturbating to me).

- the other thing were just talking to the main mamasan + buying some drinks to build rapport (apparently all of the waitress in orange is a mamasan, but there is 2 - 3 boss in diff cloth that patrol around).

- Mamasan in that rainbow club was less helpful than I'd liked (recommand girls and about their background), but I did build rapport with them (they are still just people trying to have fun and dick around).

- I figured that if I was at a club at home, you buy a drink for a girl who might just leave for the same money, but here I get sit and play with her and pay for her time, why the fuck not.

- some girls order 2 drink combo right off the bat (shot + chaser), if you are not careful, your bills rack up, also good to say no early and swap girls if there is no chemisty (some girls don't fucking talk and they just sit there and dance).

- I found out I am bad at picking girls (I picked out attractive girls, some where good dancing), so alot of experimentation there and many drinks later.

- I read here you want to pick a girl that picks you (make fuck me eye contacts, etc) but it was hard to distinguish if they just wanted me to dispense some cash or wanted hang (you can argue its all moot point because we are just all walking ATMs for them).

- I did found a girl (7. 5) that did want to fuck my brains out (she only asked for 1 or 2 drinks for the hour and half there and there was some dirty action on the couch, I ended up giving her the reminder of my cash as a tip bonus, figured that money prob woulda went to drinks anyways).

- I think I was really chasing the GFE feeling from my trip in angeles, cout not find someone that was superhot + had chemisty.

Thai sidelines.

- I figured that if we are just doing quick fucks, ill try my hands at sidelines since all of the pictures online look hot.

- reality check when I met the first girl, fuck me for forgetting photoshop and beautify apps (rookie ass move), the picture online were 8. 5, but in person, she was atleast a few years older and 10 kg heavier. Shoulda just turned around and left, but I marched on, her service was good, but I wanted to quickly finish. 1500 damage.

- I figured that was maybe a bad apple, so I tried 6-7 other girls, here is what I gathered.

- drop atleast 1 or 2 grade from the pictures online, its mostly the same girl, but either little make up or older etc.

- arrangement was easy, but taxi there and back is a pain is the ass (30-40 min) each way, huge waste of time.

- some girls where enthusiastic, but I met this one girl, she looked like she 200% didn't want to be there, deadpan face, no smile. I didn't even finish, just left.

- it was so much more transactional than gogobars christ, and I really didn't like that.

- good if you want a quick fuck, but honestly at this point, the effort is almost not worth it.

- should try to aim for "new arrival" girls on the sites, or girls that are 20-21, older age are hit and miss.

Back to Nana.

- I figured that the premium I pay at gogo bar, is I get to see the goods before I decide and can talk to see if there is chemistry.

- went back to the same bar at usual spot (mamsan did remember). I was not focusing on girls that I thought would have chemistry, still shit at picking, but I picked up a girl who actually looked like a girl I knew whom I had a crush on, she was talktive and and more alive. Took her back, short term, she wanted 5 k, but mamasan gave me 4 k.

- went back the next day, the same girl immediately asked to sit. I declined politely as I wanted to try some one new. I ended up eying this girl who was having a blast up there w 2 of her friends up there, she was hella hot too, called her down and immediately knew I made the right choice (thank fuck, cause I suck at picking).

- we ended up having alot of chemisty and she was a really fun girl, she danced alot and was just goofy, I asked to take her out, she said 4 k, but I can pay at hotel, so I pay the barfine and take her back. Already 2 am).

- we go back to room, make out and have nice fuck, she said that she need wanted to pick up her stuff from the bar (hinting she wanted to stay over). I told her I should pay her before she leaves, she nods and I hand over the money (I ended up giving her 3 k because I made a mistake, but she didn't seem to be bothered, I only realize this the morning after, which then I gave her another 1. 5). I walk and get the shit and we go back to hotel to sleep.

- she hangs around until 3 pm the next day, then tells me she has to go get ready for work, and ask If ill come. I told her I would.

- 8/9/10 PM comes around, I had to finish some work stuff, she asks me if I am coming cause her feet were hurting. I tell her Ill go and to take her out. We go have some food after I take her out and we go back to the hotel. She spend the night, we have a great time. I checkout the next day.

My learnings.

- the last girl didn't make it transactional, I was more than happy to buy her as many drinks as she wanted in the club, or tip her after the hotel (call me a cash ATM or watever, but isn't this what we spend money for? To chase a feeling and live life?

- I learned that the more transactional it is, the more I'd dislike it.

- I found out she is the youngest girl there (20) and just started working 3 months ago, she seems to be making money here to go spend on food / vacation and just live her life.

- chemistry was important to make it more fun and have better time.

- dick in hole is kinda meh for the price, you end up paying atleast 6 k for it (drinks + barfine + girl cost).

- I much prefer GFE exp, but this is hard to achieve?

Curious to hear if yall fellas had similar exp, or I am just new at this and just going through the ringer. Anyways thanks for reading![/QUOTE]
I am a regular visitor to BKK and AC for the past 15+ years. I used to love AC very much in the past. I have had several girls with whom I kept contact and they stayed with me whenever I visited AC. It was like a vacation with your girl friends and sometimes with their friends cousins etc including several threesomes. Also I met many local non-bar girls in the Angeles Pampanga region. Things have not been same since Covid at AC. Perimeter bars in the old days were all GF's and plenty to choose from. Filelds bars also had lots of fun. AC has changed so much since Covid and the old chemistry is gone. I was there last November after my split trip to BKK. The only fun I had was with my friends with benifits. This year next month I decided to just do the mongering in BKK. I am now in my sixties and love to enjoy travel with exotic food and mongering. I do a lot of photography and right now BKK seems to be the ideal place to balance my interest.

[QUOTE=Kuku696;2957210]I am a regular visitor to BKK and AC for the past 15+ years. I used to love AC very much in the past. I have had several girls with whom I kept contact and they stayed with me whenever I visited AC. It was like a vacation with your girl friends and sometimes with their friends cousins etc including several threesomes. Also I met many local non-bar girls in the Angeles Pampanga region. Things have not been same since Covid at AC. Perimeter bars in the old days were all GF's and plenty to choose from. Filelds bars also had lots of fun. AC has changed so much since Covid and the old chemistry is gone. I was there last November after my split trip to BKK. The only fun I had was with my friends with benifits. This year next month I decided to just do the mongering in BKK. I am now in my sixties and love to enjoy travel with exotic food and mongering. I do a lot of photography and right now BKK seems to be the ideal place to balance my interest.[/QUOTE]Bangkok is a photographers dream.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2957083]I don't want to disgust the other readers here with too much details, but ...

It involves a fair amount of stretching of the scrotum skin, to the extent it feels rather painful sometimes, but in a good way. Similar to Thai massage, alternating a bit between feeling good and feeling painful. The majority of time is spent on your balls and surrounding area, rather than on your dick.
The feeling afterwards is also kind of similar to after Thai massage (for me: both relaxed and energized). The next few erections also felt different. Stronger, harder, with increased blood flow. In short: it felt like a genuinely healthy thing, and I guess it could have some genuine benefits for some of the men who visit a fertility clinic for help, perhaps pre-viagra days more than now.

I imagine that if you get the massage (pronounced something like "nood kasai") at a "proper" place (I. E. , hospital), it will not include any ejaculation or much, if any, touching of your dick, but I have not tried this. Girl who worked on Soi 33 said the price at the hospital was around 2,000 per session if I remember correctly, and gave me the name of a hospital, but I don't remember the name anymore.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. Thanks for the info!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956829]Dude, I first went to Thermae in 99, the year moved to Bangkok. And I've been posting on this forum for well over two decades. During my first 10 years here I probably took well over 200 girls from Thermae. So yes, I've been there. Believe it or not one's eyes tend to change the longer one has been here. What I found attractive 25 years ago is not what I find attractive now. And one of the most unattractive things about the ladies in Thermae now is the attitudes. It used to be a very interactive place. You'd walk around once and numerous girls would grab your unit, look you straight in the eye, and say go with you. They were aggressive and fun and like to party. Now it's a bunch of wallflowers. And overall I don't think the performance is in any way what it used to be. I never had a problem getting a GFE or a PSE from there back in the day. In addition I have numerous post over the last 10 plus years talking about the changes in Thermae and the reasons for those changes. So no there is nothing wrong with me. , or perhaps there is, I've been here very long time.[/QUOTE]I agree with you 100% on what you said about Thermae. Check out my previous posts (I only have 2) for my thoughts on the current status of Thermae. The girls' attitude is 100% the problem.

These girls are not there to hook up with guys, go out, and have fun. They are solely there for the money. In their eyes, us guys are just ATM machines, nothing more. They charge extremely high prices (3000 baht for short time), and you are not even guaranteed the full hour. Many girls do not even do "long time" anymore because short time is so much more lucrative. Also, their service sucks. Lots of no's. Many of the girls that I inquired with said they don't do kissing. I started asking myself: Why TF am I paying them so much money for shitty service?

If you're a first time traveler to BKK, I'd treat Thermae like the red light windows in Amsterdam: fun to look at once, but not worth paying the money for the shitty service.

[QUOTE=BobORama;2957238]I agree with you 100% on what you said about Thermae. Check out my previous posts (I only have 2) for my thoughts on the current status of Thermae. The girls' attitude is 100% the problem.

These girls are not there to hook up with guys, go out, and have fun. They are solely there for the money. In their eyes, us guys are just ATM machines, nothing more. They charge extremely high prices (3000 baht for short time), and you are not even guaranteed the full hour. Many girls do not even do "long time" anymore because short time is so much more lucrative. Also, their service sucks. Lots of no's. Many of the girls that I inquired with said they don't do kissing. I started asking myself: Why TF am I paying them so much money for shitty service?

If you're a first time traveler to BKK, I'd treat Thermae like the red light windows in Amsterdam: fun to look at once, but not worth paying the money for the shitty service.[/QUOTE]You've got to remember Thermae has a lot of girls who are not pros, that's the whole idea. They are just doing it on the side and maybe they do it for a short while. They can quote 3 k because I guess most bros will pay, you can always walk away. I haven't been to Thermae for couple years at least.

But I agree with you that Bangkok in general the women are a bit spoilt and that's partly the attitude problem. If you're a girl standing in Thermae or you're a regular girl you meet on Tinder, there are just too much choice for them as there's so many bros. Whether it's tourists, digital nomads etc.

[QUOTE=BobORama;2957238]I agree with you 100% on what you said about Thermae. Check out my previous posts (I only have 2) for my thoughts on the current status of Thermae. The girls' attitude is 100% the problem.

These girls are not there to hook up with guys, go out, and have fun. They are solely there for the money. In their eyes, us guys are just ATM machines, nothing more. They charge extremely high prices (3000 baht for short time), and you are not even guaranteed the full hour. Many girls do not even do "long time" anymore because short time is so much more lucrative. Also, their service sucks. Lots of no's. Many of the girls that I inquired with said they don't do kissing. I started asking myself: Why TF am I paying them so much money for shitty service?

If you're a first time traveler to BKK, I'd treat Thermae like the red light windows in Amsterdam: fun to look at once, but not worth paying the money for the shitty service.[/QUOTE]Thermae can be difficult for rookies, but once you gain experience its fabulous.

P.S. Dude this is Thailand. Every girl looks at you like at ATM. Don't be one of those guys sending money from your home wherever. You arent going to be meeting the love of your life.

You can get cheaper on Beach Road in Pattaya if you are on a budget.

[QUOTE=BobORama;2957238]I agree with you 100% on what you said about Thermae. Check out my previous posts (I only have 2) for my thoughts on the current status of Thermae. The girls' attitude is 100% the problem.

These girls are not there to hook up with guys, go out, and have fun. They are solely there for the money. In their eyes, us guys are just ATM machines, nothing more. They charge extremely high prices (3000 baht for short time), and you are not even guaranteed the full hour. Many girls do not even do "long time" anymore because short time is so much more lucrative. Also, their service sucks. Lots of no's. Many of the girls that I inquired with said they don't do kissing. I started asking myself: Why TF am I paying them so much money for shitty service?

If you're a first time traveler to BKK, I'd treat Thermae like the red light windows in Amsterdam: fun to look at once, but not worth paying the money for the shitty service.[/QUOTE]Agree with you all on Thermae, it's been hit or miss for me too. My first visit last year in June didn't live up to the hype; didn't find anyone I was drawn to, so I ended up leaving. Returned in January and spotted a few more attractive girls, maybe my perspective had changed a bit, but the energy was still pretty low. I did go with one, but it felt like she was just going through the motions; it was like being with a mannequin.

Went back again recently and finally found someone who stood out (to my tastes). She was pretty, fun, and very down-to-earth. The experience was definitely better than my last visit, but still basic and lacked real passion. In contrast, I met a gogo girl a few days later who was fantastic, funny, talkative, and super engaged in bed. The vibe was night and day, and she was definitely a looker.

Cost-wise, I found Thermae to be around 2500 B each time, while the gogo experience was 4700 B (excluding a few drinks). I did encounter one girl in Thermae asking for 5000 B, not sure if she just wasn't interested, but I've heard that higher prices are common.

Hopefully, things pick up at Thermae.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2957257]Thermae can be difficult for rookies, but once you gain experience its fabulous.[/QUOTE]From what I've read it's very difficult to get BBFS in there. Do you have a different experience?

I have no problems paying what they ask, but it can't be a wrapped up vanilla session.

Hey folks,

Planning to visit BKK next week. Last experience was 3 month ago for 2 days. Was able to squeeze in 1 visit to wonder massage for ST. Had a decent experience for 1 hour 2500 THB. Want to know if there any other MP similar to it which allow selection or any good ways to catch a couple of free Lancers.

Planning to stay at Hotel Asoke Clover, hope they allow gyests.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2957249]You've got to remember Thermae has a lot of girls who are not pros, that's the whole idea. They are just doing it on the side and maybe they do it for a short while. They can quote 3 k because I guess most bros will pay, you can always walk away. I haven't been to Thermae for couple years at least.

But I agree with you that Bangkok in general the women are a bit spoilt and that's partly the attitude problem. If you're a girl standing in Thermae or you're a regular girl you meet on Tinder, there are just too much choice for them as there's so many bros. Whether it's tourists, digital nomads etc.[/QUOTE]Most bros will pay because 3 k is nothing to them. But for the girls, 3 k could be 5 to 6 times their daily salary at a "normal" job. These girls are definitely getting the better end of the deal. And that's the problem I have with them. They're getting paid so much money, but they put in zero effort and give you attitude when you ask for more. I don't mind paying, but I refuse to pay so much money for a low quality product. Nothing will change because like you said, there are so many bros visiting BKK that they can get away with it. So really, the root problem is the tourists (yes, I acknowledge that I am a "tourist" and part of the problem too, haha). There's just too many of them.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2957257]Thermae can be difficult for rookies, but once you gain experience its fabulous.

P.S. Dude this is Thailand. Every girl looks at you like at ATM. Don't be one of those guys sending money from your home wherever. You arent going to be meeting the love of your life.

You can get cheaper on Beach Road in Pattaya if you are on a budget.[/QUOTE]Well aware that I'm not going to be meeting the love of my life. Like most guys who visit Thailand, I'm just there to have a good time. Nothing more, nothing less. To me, a quick 10-minute fuck is not a good time. I guess when it comes to women, I'm also looking for personal connection / chemistry / good vibes. If it's not there, it feels like a big waste of time / money. Another poster before me said it best: the ones that felt less transactional were the most enjoyable.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2957274]Agree with you all on Thermae, it's been hit or miss for me too. My first visit last year in June didn't live up to the hype; didn't find anyone I was drawn to, so I ended up leaving. Returned in January and spotted a few more attractive girls, maybe my perspective had changed a bit, but the energy was still pretty low. I did go with one, but it felt like she was just going through the motions; it was like being with a mannequin.

Went back again recently and finally found someone who stood out (to my tastes). She was pretty, fun, and very down-to-earth. The experience was definitely better than my last visit, but still basic and lacked real passion. In contrast, I met a gogo girl a few days later who was fantastic, funny, talkative, and super engaged in bed. The vibe was night and day, and she was definitely a looker.

Cost-wise, I found Thermae to be around 2500 B each time, while the gogo experience was 4700 B (excluding a few drinks). I did encounter one girl in Thermae asking for 5000 B, not sure if she just wasn't interested, but I've heard that higher prices are common.

Hopefully, things pick up at Thermae.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Being with a mannequin is a great way to put it. That's how most Thermae girls are: they put in zero effort, relying instead on their youth / good looks. It's probably one step above doing it with a blowup doll. I have not tried the gogo girls, but it sounds like they are a better value than Thermae, even if gogo costs more. I would gladly pay more to have a more engaging experience with a girl.

Yes, some girls at Thermae do charge higher prices. One girl with a really cute face quoted me 4000 baht for ST. I had done the walk around the bar and seen all the girls available several times, and she was definitely the cutest out of all of them, but I still felt 4000 was too pricey, especially if she has terrible service. She also had zero enthusiasm in her voice, which did not bode well. She eventually walked away from me and went somewhere else to stand. Looking back now, I'm glad I didn't pay her ridiculous prices, as I felt she would have benefitted way more from the transaction than I would have.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2957302]From what I've read it's very difficult to get BBFS in there. Do you have a different experience?

I have no problems paying what they ask, but it can't be a wrapped up vanilla session.[/QUOTE]Yes. I get BBFS.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2957274]
Hopefully, things pick up at Thermae..[/QUOTE]They won't. It's been pretty poor since Covid. You get the odd peach but they are rare. A waste of your time when you have other much better options (1) Suk 24 massage shops with some superb girls for less than Thermae and (2) Thaniya Road (I prefer Silom to Suk these days).

[QUOTE=BobORama;2957238]I agree with you 100% on what you said about Thermae. Check out my previous posts (I only have 2) for my thoughts on the current status of Thermae. The girls' attitude is 100% the problem.

These girls are not there to hook up with guys, go out, and have fun. They are solely there for the money. In their eyes, us guys are just ATM machines, nothing more. They charge extremely high prices (3000 baht for short time), and you are not even guaranteed the full hour. Many girls do not even do "long time" anymore because short time is so much more lucrative. Also, their service sucks. Lots of no's. Many of the girls that I inquired with said they don't do kissing. I started asking myself: Why TF am I paying them so much money for shitty service?

If you're a first time traveler to BKK, I'd treat Thermae like the red light windows in Amsterdam: fun to look at once, but not worth paying the money for the shitty service.[/QUOTE]It's definitely a completely different place than it was 25 years ago. It's also a very different demographic when it comes to the customer base. Thermae had very few if any Asian customers in 1999. And the girls were there to party and have fun for the most part. Pretty much every girl had a drink in her hand and there would always be girls dancing by the jukebox. And as I said in my previous post they were quite aggressive, which I think for the most part Western guys prefer. You'd do a lap, get propositioned, and at least three or four girls would grab your unit. I thought it was wonderful. But when the coffee shop at the Siam City hotel on Petchaburi Rd closed, it was the Asian Thermae for those of you who don't know, the Asian punter crowd migrated to Thermae and if I became significantly more subdued, and in my opinion nowhere near as fun. And there began to be gals that wouldn't go with Western guys. Funny there were some that would but they didn't want their friends or the Asian punters to see them doing it, so they would meet you outside. The main Asian demographic at that time with Japanese and of course that has changed significantly. But I will throw this out there, I don't think Asian punters prefer girls to be incredibly slutty and aggressive like many of us Western guys do. They prefer a more demure wallflower, which I find incredibly boring. Always like gals that are aggressive and can talk dirty, and I used to find copious amounts of them in Thermae.

One post mentions part timers. Rent was always do on the 5th of the month, and if you went on the weekend before you'd find scads of office girls and other semi pros who were looking to make a little more for rent. And most of these girls were selective and were a lot of fun. Of course I was a young early 30's guy then and was one of the youngest guys in the scene at that time, so I had an incredibly good time with the part-timers. There were several occasions when a girl would drive us to the short time hotel in the car she was trying to get money to make payments on. It was truly a wonderful scene and a wonderful era. I'm so grateful I caught the tail end of it.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2957403]They won't. It's been pretty poor since Covid. You get the odd peach but they are rare. A waste of your time when you have other much better options (1) Suk 24 massage shops with some superb girls for less than Thermae and (2) Thaniya Road (I prefer Silom to Suk these days).[/QUOTE]Any reccomendations for Thania Rd / Silom. I tried searching but couldn't find a place for massage.

How about.

1. Got myself a monthly stay in a university dorm that is coed.

2. 1 km away walk to a 5 star gym where celebrities work out for less than $25 a month. Pool / Sauna / Yoga / Dance / Gym / Boxing and more. All coed. And I go everyday.

3. Gym located in a 8+ floor mall full of university students and food galore.

4. Cheaper street food still everywhere at student prices.

5. Hotels that some these students bang out of is all within walking distance. Price less than 1000.

The coed university dorm is the difference maker. They trust me LOL. Big cities can be fun.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2957403]They won't. It's been pretty poor since Covid. You get the odd peach but they are rare. A waste of your time when you have other much better options (1) Suk 24 massage shops with some superb girls for less than Thermae and (2) Thaniya Road (I prefer Silom to Suk these days).[/QUOTE]Silom is too dead, too gay. When was the last time you wasted your timein Thermae.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2957410]It's definitely a completely different place than it was 25 years ago. It's also a very different demographic when it comes to the customer base. Thermae had very few if any Asian customers in 1999. And the girls were there to party and have fun for the most part. Pretty much every girl had a drink in her hand and there would always be girls dancing by the jukebox. And as I said in my previous post they were quite aggressive, which I think for the most part Western guys prefer. You'd do a lap, get propositioned, and at least three or four girls would grab your unit. I thought it was wonderful. But when the coffee shop at the Siam City hotel on Petchaburi Rd closed, it was the Asian Thermae for those of you who don't know, the Asian punter crowd migrated to Thermae and if I became significantly more subdued, and in my opinion nowhere near as fun. And there began to be gals that wouldn't go with Western guys. Funny there were some that would but they didn't want their friends or the Asian punters to see them doing it, so they would meet you outside. The main Asian demographic at that time with Japanese and of course that has changed significantly. But I will throw this out there, I don't think Asian punters prefer girls to be incredibly slutty and aggressive like many of us Western guys do. They prefer a more demure wallflower, which I find incredibly boring. Always like gals that are aggressive and can talk dirty, and I used to find copious amounts of them in Thermae.

One post mentions part timers. Rent was always do on the 5th of the month, and if you went on the weekend before you'd find scads of office girls and other semi pros who were looking to make a little more for rent. And most of these girls were selective and were a lot of fun. Of course I was a young early 30's guy then and was one of the youngest guys in the scene at that time, so I had an incredibly good time with the part-timers. There were several occasions when a girl would drive us to the short time hotel in the car she was trying to get money to make payments on. It was truly a wonderful scene and a wonderful era. I'm so grateful I caught the tail end of it.[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm still in it. I wish I was younger.

Its Chinese now and they don't like that anime Japanese look or **** look. The girls despise them too, so that accounts for the sometimes sad atmosphere.

But I always have fun and its great being the rare westerner there.

[QUOTE=Kuku696;2957412]Any reccomendations for Thania Rd / Silom. I tried searching but couldn't find a place for massage.[/QUOTE]Was there for a month. If you can't find a massage with naughty in that area, you apparently do not know how to Google and too lazy to walk around. It's Patpong for God's sake. They are everywhere.

Just spent a week and a half in Bangkok and it was awesome. Girlfriend was here for first 4 days and then I had a week by myself. While she was here we had a couples massage at Aya massage. Absolutely heavenly. Unfortunately she only allowed me to get an HJ but she got fingered by one of the girls and I got to play with their pussies while I was fucking her. Felt like a god damn king. Was a bit pricey (8 k for couples massage with Jacuzzi and Oil Massage + 2 k for Nuru) but 100% worth it.

After my girl left I got two nuru massages from BKK Vice, both were really good. I like darker skin girls and it can be hard to find them at soapies / nuru places here but it seems like BKK Vice makes sure to stock at least a couple every day. The place is new and has nice facilities. Prices are standard. Both girls were around a 6-7.

I also fucked a freelancer I met on tinder for 2 k. She was very cute and while I normally prefer to go see the goods before I purchase in Bangkok, I was hungover af and too lazy to go out.

To end the trip with a bang, I got a free lay on the last night with a girl I met on tinder. She was very pretty with a nice petite body. In the 7-8 range.

Never disappointed by Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BobORama;2957376]Most bros will pay because 3 k is nothing to them. But for the girls, 3 k could be 5 to 6 times their daily salary at a "normal" job. These girls are definitely getting the better end of the deal. And that's the problem I have with them. They're getting paid so much money, but they put in zero effort and give you attitude when you ask for more. I don't mind paying, but I refuse to pay so much money for a low quality product. Nothing will change because like you said, there are so many bros visiting BKK that they can get away with it. So really, the root problem is the tourists (yes, I acknowledge that I am a "tourist" and part of the problem too, haha). There's just too many of them.

Well aware that I'm not going to be meeting the love of my life. Like most guys who visit Thailand, I'm just there to have a good time. Nothing more, nothing less. To me, a quick 10-minute fuck is not a good time. I guess when it comes to women, I'm also looking for personal connection / chemistry / good vibes. If it's not there, it feels like a big waste of time / money. Another poster before me said it best: the ones that felt less transactional were the most enjoyable.

Being with a mannequin is a great way to put it. That's how most Thermae girls are: they put in zero effort, relying instead on their youth / good looks. It's probably one step above doing it with a blowup doll. I have not tried the gogo girls, but it sounds like they are a better value than Thermae, even if gogo costs more. I would gladly pay more to have a more engaging experience with a girl..[/QUOTE]You have to understand their target market. Koreans, Japanese etc care mostly about the looks. They don't care about the service, as long as she opens her legs. They need to say they fucked the hottest girls and gain face with their friends and colleagues. Cost is not a consideration, or service, its all the looks. And they all want light skinned Chinese looking girls with big boobs. So that's what Thermae provides. At my age, I don't care how hot you are, if you don't do certain things little me is not rising for you. ID rather spend a few hours in a GC getting warmed up nicely in the couches and then a nice interactive BBFS session with a 5 or 6 with no drama in the back. Or one of the better known MPs. I leave Thermae and Gogos to the Asians. Now there are places where I get the service I want with hot girls (not Thailand) so that's where I go now.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2957513]Now there are places where I get the service I want with hot girls (not Thailand) so that's where I go now.[/QUOTE]What places do you go now?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2957410]I'm so grateful I caught the tail end of it.[/QUOTE]Thermae was sometimes compared to the bar in the Star Wars film. It was a truly incredible, fun place. One of the few benefits of my advancing age is that I had the opportunity to see Thermae and Thailand when I did. But as a visitor, it is still a great place to visit now.

This is also the reasoning behind the farang tax so many places charge. The Asian guys looking for hot starfish don't care if her eyes are even open. Going in and asking for this and that is a turn off, especially for a really hot girl that is used to doing next to nothing. Sorry, it's not because of your big Johnson, it's because you want or expect too much. I've confirmed this so many times over the last 30 years with mamas and girls that I've lost count. The answer has remained the same even as the faces have changed.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2957513]You have to understand their target market. Koreans, Japanese etc care mostly about the looks. They don't care about the service, as long as she opens her legs. They need to say they fucked the hottest girls and gain face with their friends and colleagues. Cost is not a consideration, or service, its all the looks. And they all want light skinned Chinese looking girls with big boobs. So that's what Thermae provides. At my age, I don't care how hot you are, if you don't do certain things little me is not rising for you. ID rather spend a few hours in a GC getting warmed up nicely in the couches and then a nice interactive BBFS session with a 5 or 6 with no drama in the back. Or one of the better known MPs. I leave Thermae and Gogos to the Asians. Now there are places where I get the service I want with hot girls (not Thailand) so that's where I go now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2956995]I probably had more fun in Thermae than any place in Bangkok save midnight before it was bought by the Arab and Cactus during its hey day. I really miss those days. You also had a collection of some of the most interesting expats in Bangkok. Many of the SE Asian writers who many of you have read would hang out there several nights a week. There would always be people you would recognize there. (Remainder of entertaining and informative report on the Good Old Days snipped to save bandwidth.)[/QUOTE]What an awesome report! Thanks much for the trip back in time.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2957513]You have to understand their target market. Koreans, Japanese etc care mostly about the looks. They don't care about the service, as long as she opens her legs. They need to say they fucked the hottest girls and gain face with their friends and colleagues. Cost is not a consideration, or service, its all the looks. And they all want light skinned Chinese looking girls with big boobs. So that's what Thermae provides. At my age, I don't care how hot you are, if you don't do certain things little me is not rising for you. ID rather spend a few hours in a GC getting warmed up nicely in the couches and then a nice interactive BBFS session with a 5 or 6 with no drama in the back. Or one of the better known MPs. I leave Thermae and Gogos to the Asians. Now there are places where I get the service I want with hot girls (not Thailand) so that's where I go now.[/QUOTE]Spot on. When the demographic changed in the mid to late 00's, so did the behavior of the gals working there. Western men were no longer the main target audience. Now I must admit, I prefer lighter skin and fairer East Asian looks, but I want them nasty. And that's a unicorn these days.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2957591]What an awesome report! Thanks much for the trip back in time.[/QUOTE]My pleasure. In those days sure fun. I really miss them. That's so glad I was able to experience them and now have a chance to reflect.

Hi, I am avid traveller, business and pleasure. Used to travel Thailand, Phils, Indo often, now with work very less travel options to go to Phils but I like Filipinas so much. I know it's hard but just curious if there are specific bars, clubs or areas where we can find / pickup Filipinas? It would be best of both worlds (Bangkok+filipinas).

I know it's tough luck, but hope it's worth a try here with you punters! Thanks for your valuable advise.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2957681]My pleasure. In those days sure fun. I really miss them. That's so glad I was able to experience them and now have a chance to reflect.[/QUOTE]Goat you new the Boss was sick for a while, hes doing a lot better and collecting the cash from the girls.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2957853]Goat you new the Boss was sick for a while, hes doing a lot better and collecting the cash from the girls.[/QUOTE]I did not know. But that's good to know that he's better.

Hi,

In a hunt for Russian escorts now, the thais are just the same and in different shapes. I have been looking everywhere to find some genuine SP / agency / website for Russian ladies, kindly help thank you.

(I have been living here for 12 years, mongered an absurd amount for the first 8, last 4, not too much).

I'll be brief about my take on the market dynamics. You can blame the north asians, or 1 week millionaire tourists or whoever you want, but I think the underlying cause is, Nana plaza, Cowboy and Patpong have been sellers markets for a long time now. This inevitably means buyers will get more and more screwed in different ways. Of course, if you're on a short visit, you're just going to have to suck it up and pay up because the other options are time consuming to figure out. Why expats or tourists on a longer trip don't figure out alternatives (or prefer these places to alternatives) is beyond me.

In my glory days (after some 5-6 months of weekly 2ST / LT from nana / cowboy), I eventually ended up with a couple of dozen arrangements of various kinds with neighbourhood civvies (young office employees / students / waitresses / maids. I don't discriminate, just, no fatties and no acne). Now I could invite 3 of them to go to a club with me, get treated like a king there first, and then back in bed, often with more than one coming over- never paid anything except club bill. Some arrangements were more straightforward. Neighbour girl would invariably show up 2 days before rent was due. Weekly maid would oblige when I wanted for 500. There were many others, no point blabbing.

I may have spent a lot on fancy nights out, but they were never demanded of me. Maximum for a regular night long session was 1000 but she was a real hottie and just 21. Most were 300-700 + moto taxi and evening arrangements automatically meant night over, no further negotiations. Of course, I would buy dinner and drinks at the local market for them often, but we're talking pennies and dimes here. Looks wise, I think the best would beat any gogo girl any day, worst might be the ignored girl dancing alone in a corner at a gogo. Most would be 7-8 based on my recent visit to 2 gogos who's names I don't remember. Skills, obedience and enthusiasm civvies are way ahead of hardened wgs (yes, they know some tricks wg's don't or at least didn't show me).

There are risks of course, mostly, nib any emotional attachment. From yourself or any fwb in the bud, firmly. Initially, observe them very keenly for markers of dishonesty / thievery and mental instability and cut off at the slightest doubt (this sea has many fish). Sometimes they may ask you for a relatively large sum (I think max asked off me was 10 k after I had been seeing her weekly for a year, with a promise to pay back). You can decide what to do. I basically requested some kink to be satisfied. The 10 K girl, you can't imagine how she worked it off over a weekend.

My point is, if you have a choice, maybe stop going to markets skewed to your disadvantage, spend a bit of effort and find another market that is skewed to your advantage. Civvies is just one example. Ever tried random small karaoke bars around town? Or maybe even a small market near where you live? There are many well priced options where buyers are respected and in short supply. Only applies to people staying long. In my experience, you strike out about 20% of the times if you go to a place that you haven't heard any review of (I have been to 100's).

Time for a field report from BKK! I dropped by HunnyBunyBKK the other night (Sukhumvit Soi 33). A big chested mamasan guided me through the clear and comprehensive menu, and I chose the Massage with HJ / BJ finish for 1700 B. Saw the lineup of about 8 girls, solidly in the 6 and 7 rating, and picked a girl-next-door girl for my dastardly intentions named Sky. They all thanked me and scattered, and them I remembered to inquire about a deal-breaker for me: the right to take extensive photos / videos! The mamas gave her trademark frown and said "not allowed! Darn. On a whim, I said: let's ask Sky! Upon being asked, Sky said: I love being photographed, like a model! And we're on. And up to the room.

She speaks nearly no English but has a pleasant, positive demeanour. First a shower which concluded in some BB sucking and groping. Onto the bed for ample photos of her crouching, on all fours, pussy shot, etc. Before she starts a lame massage and flips me quickly to start sucking me off. She's a natural BJ queen and soon I shoot a load while she moans (I tried to get her to take my load in her mouth but she demurred). I'm happy but I paid for an hour so I don't decline her offer for a post-orgasm massage. She surprises me by sliding her tits on my butt, then rimming me enthusiastically before flipping me over and sucking my cock again. It's been only 5 minutes and I'm old, so I'm certain that a second shot is not in the cards. She disagrees and using a combination of sucking and hand action, she persevered for at leats 20 minutes until I have a second, body-shaking orgasm albeit with a small load! I recall that the menu item I picked for 1700 specifically said only one shot, so I tip her well (500) for the extra services and leave happy!

Now for my question: while I was negotiating the deal with mamas, I saw a 30-something Asian couple skulk out the door as a WG thanked them for coming. I asked mamasan about it, who said that couples hire the girls for threesome about "once a day"! I was surprised, as I have never done this and never had a GF suggest it! What's the appeal? Has anyone tried this? Details and personal stories are most welcome.

Skewed markets. We can continue to blame different groups at different times, but IMO, bottom line is, Nana, cowboy and patpong have been sellers markets for a very long time now, and what we see now in terms of both prices, quality of girls and attitudes of girls / mamas has infact been changing slowly over time for at least 10 years. I mean it was somewhat better 10 years ago, but even back then, it was not a buyers market. Short trip tourists unfortunately don't have too many alternatives. But if expats / long term tourists frequently get girls from these districts, I cannot understand why. Several other markets available if you put in the effort and explore (Tded was a great recent example), there are many small karaoke bars here and there, clubs along phetchaburi or even civvies. I used nana / cowboy as a crutch my first 5-6 months here, while I was building a rolodex of civvie contacts, but once I had enough civvies, I rarely went to gogos.

Thermea of old sounds very good, wish I could have experienced. First time I walked into thermea was about 10 years ago, and walked out within 5 minutes, never to return. The playful / fun atmosphere you describe is very rare to find these days, everyone is so eager to get down to business and the bottomline or play with their phones. Close approximations are sports bars with good waitresses in asok / nana. They banter a bit. FLs here are quite disappointing though, and available only at few. Before Nana gets crowded, some of the bars are a good place to chat up staff / early bird FLs but the moment a bit of crowd comes in, it all changes.

Anyone have any recommendation for a bar with relaxed / playful atmosphere and fun FLs? Would love to visit.

Try recruiting a civvie if you are staying long. It'll be fun at least, and potentially, very rewarding. Has some risks, but if you're careful, easily managed.

I preferred civvies mainly because, if bar staff / FLs can't give me the experience I want (play / flirt at bar then go home), 3 civvies definitely would, if I invited them to a good night club. And if the bill was an absurd amount at the end of night, lucky me, because the girls would work extra hard to "pay it off".

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2958107]Skewed markets. We can continue to blame different groups at different times, but IMO, bottom line is, Nana, cowboy and patpong have been sellers markets for a very long time now, and what we see now in terms of both prices, quality of girls and attitudes of girls / mamas has infact been changing slowly over time for at least 10 years. I mean it was somewhat better 10 years ago, but even back then, it was not a buyers market. Short trip tourists unfortunately don't have too many alternatives. But if expats / long term tourists frequently get girls from these districts, I cannot understand why. Several other markets available if you put in the effort and explore (Tded was a great recent example), there are many small karaoke bars here and there, clubs along phetchaburi or even civvies. I used nana / cowboy as a crutch my first 5-6 months here, while I was building a rolodex of civvie contacts, but once I had enough civvies, I rarely went to gogos.

Thermea of old sounds very good, wish I could have experienced. First time I walked into thermea was about 10 years ago, and walked out within 5 minutes, never to return. The playful / fun atmosphere you describe is very rare to find these days, everyone is so eager to get down to business and the bottomline or play with their phones. Close approximations are sports bars with good waitresses in asok / nana. They banter a bit. FLs here are quite disappointing though, and available only at few. Before Nana gets crowded, some of the bars are a good place to chat up staff / early bird FLs but the moment a bit of crowd comes in, it all changes.

Anyone have any recommendation for a bar with relaxed / playful atmosphere and fun FLs? Would love to visit.

Try recruiting a civvie if you are staying long. It'll be fun at least, and potentially, very rewarding. Has some risks, but if you're careful, easily managed.

I preferred civvies mainly because, if bar staff / FLs can't give me the experience I want (play / flirt at bar then go home), 3 civvies definitely would, if I invited them to a good night club. And if the bill was an absurd amount at the end of night, lucky me, because the girls would work extra hard to "pay it off".[/QUOTE]Well stated. The Go-Go's have been a seller's market for ages, with the exception of covid times when bars were open but the country was closed to tourists. They were definitely a buyer's market in the early 00, but by the late 00's and early 10's that had changed. In fact if you stood outside Nana or on Soi Cowboy when the bars closed you would have numerous girls coming up to you and offering their services if they didn't get a BF that night. I would say that ended by the time of the 06 coup. 06 seems to be a year where things really started to change. Before then when I would go out I would always have a hard time deciding who to take. After that time sometimes I wouldn't be able to find anything appealing.

As my last minute five day trip to Bangkok approaches, I had some last-minute questions. I'm hoping some fellow mongers can help me out with. If anyone has boots on the ground, I'll be staying near Nana 7th though 11th and if anyone would like to meet up with similar interests, I'm buying the drinks. Bangkok 5 days then three weeks in Pattaya.

As someone who has traveled about the world, I tend to try to avoid the typical tourist traps. I am fine touring Nana and so forth just for the experience. But for partaking in this hobby, I'the prefer the less common route. Less touristy and commercial.

Are there gentlemen type clubs like in Pattaya or something similar?

Where might I pick up freelance street girls?

What is the best BJ bars in the area?

What clubs might be best to visit where a FL or part time civy might be found?

I visited Thermae, back around 1997 yes, when the old cop used to hang out there and it was an absolute riot. I am very sad to hear that it is drastically changed. Is there any element of the old days or the old vibe left in the establishment at all or is it a total waste of time? I was shocked to hear that the girls are all wanting 5 K for short time. And they don't budge. I've been on Thai friendly and I'm getting quoted 2000 to 3000 short time. So I don't understand why the same caliber of girls are wanting double that or even more just because they go to Thermae. Makes no sense.

Hit me up if your local and maybe we can meetup and do some mongering.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2958170]Well stated. The Go-Go's have been a seller's market for ages, with the exception of covid times when bars were open but the country was closed to tourists. They were definitely a buyer's market in the early 00, but by the late 00's and early 10's that had changed. In fact if you stood outside Nana or on Soi Cowboy when the bars closed you would have numerous girls coming up to you and offering their services if they didn't get a BF that night. I would say that ended by the time of the 06 coup. 06 seems to be a year where things really started to change. Before then when I would go out I would always have a hard time deciding who to take. After that time sometimes I wouldn't be able to find anything appealing.[/QUOTE]Not just bar girls, the parking lot of the Nana hotel was full of girls looking for a place to sleep and often you could pick them up for just letting them sleep in your room. I found one of the most epic finds of my life there ca 2004, a half Indian half Thai girl that blew my world. In return trips ID spend 3 days with her and give her a $100 gift at the end and she was happy. More importantly she was kinky as shit, loved sex more than me. One day she turned up at my nice 5 star hotel wearing a full latex white Nurses outfit with red fishnets and fuck me pumps. She walked up to my room and knocked on my door and I was like "you walked through the lobby like that and nobody stopped you?" Talk about guest friendly hotel. LOL. One trip on my last day I had checked out of the room and we were having lunch and she said follow me. She took me into the men's room, into a stall and blew me again, saying she wanted to taste my cum one last time before I left. Those were truly the days. All I can do now is enjoy the videos cause she was quite the little porn star wannabe. LOL.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2958186]I visited Thermae, back around 1997 yes, when the old cop used to hang out there and it was an absolute riot. I am very sad to hear that it is drastically changed. Is there any element of the old days or the old vibe left in the establishment at all or is it a total waste of time? I was shocked to hear that the girls are all wanting 5 K for short time. And they don't budge. I've been on Thai friendly and I'm getting quoted 2000 to 3000 short time. So I don't understand why the same caliber of girls are wanting double that or even more just because they go to Thermae. Makes no sense.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you meant 3 k but yea the going rate in Thermae is 3 k not 5 k. But guess that might mostly be more for the asian crowd. I've only got quoted 5 k once so guess she just didn't want to go with me. Usually get from 2. 5 to 3 at Thermae. Funny one time I picked up a lady at Thermae and remembered I actually messaged her on TF a few days before. Surprisingly that was the only time I noticed some one on TF that was also at Thermae.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2958103](I have been living here for 12 years, mongered an absurd amount for the first 8, last 4, not too much).

I'll be brief about my take on the market dynamics. You can blame the north asians, or 1 week millionaire tourists or whoever you want, but I think the underlying cause is, Nana plaza, Cowboy and Patpong have been sellers markets for a long time now. This inevitably means buyers will get more and more screwed in different ways. Of course, if you're on a short visit, you're just going to have to suck it up and pay up because the other options are time consuming to figure out. Why expats or tourists on a longer trip don't figure out alternatives (or prefer these places to alternatives) is beyond me.][/QUOTE]The world is more and more globalized every year and travel gets cheaper and more accessible every year too. People know Thailand = easy paid sex and are willing to pay more since they are used to higher rates at home, it is still a good deal in their mind.

Basically, as time goes on the rates of services (any other non-sex related things) will all start to converge towards a more global average price.

Expats should definitely find something more longer term than going to a gogo bar or massage shop though. "Long term" tourists, I don't know about other countries but I can only stay 1 month on my e-visa's. It's debatable if its worth the effort to try to find a "vacation girlfriend" for that short of a duration. Typically I only stay 2-3 weeks at a time though.

I've been on TF getting ready for my holiday in BKK for 2 weeks. I don't want to screw it up for everyone on the future for the market, so I've been getting girls replying 2. 5 k-5 k ST and 8 k-10 k LT. I've read it's usually 3 k for gogo bars (fine and girl) is that correct?

Also a few quoted with "condom no anal" does that mean the ones not quoting that, it's assumed BBFS and anal is on the table? Thanks for all the great Intel. I'm really looking forward to this adventure. It's my first time in BKK.

[QUOTE=QCryptic;2958270]The world is more and more globalized every year and travel gets cheaper and more accessible every year too. People know Thailand = easy paid sex and are willing to pay more since they are used to higher rates at home, it is still a good deal in their mind.

Basically, as time goes on the rates of services (any other non-sex related things) will all start to converge towards a more global average price.

Expats should definitely find something more longer term than going to a gogo bar or massage shop though. "Long term" tourists, I don't know about other countries but I can only stay 1 month on my e-visa's. It's debatable if its worth the effort to try to find a "vacation girlfriend" for that short of a duration. Typically I only stay 2-3 weeks at a time though.[/QUOTE]Longer term means "relationship".

Ill pay my 3 K once a month.

P.S. Only two girls of the hundred at Thermae have asked me for 5 K.

Nana was packed each three nights this past week-end.

I could see Geisha had quite a few new good looking girls in their line up, 803 and 820 come to mind. I know a very cute and nice girl in that place, so each time I go there I stick with her. I was told one of the lookers is in a relationship with one of the waitresses. When I saw her I thought it was a boy, not a good looking one at that. Some completely flat thom boy who does not give a slighty fuck about her appearance. And she scored one of the lookers in the place, life is fucked up. BF is still 1 K for ST and 1200 for LT, girls are trying to get 4 K for ST it seems. The music there is an annoying crazy dumb techno, but the set up is the best in all Nana to be playful with the girls while paying them a drink.

Billboard is still the best place by far to go and sip your drink for 20 minutes without anyone hasseling you. Best dj and best overall atmosphere. There didn't seem to be an improvement from my last visits a few months ago for the quality of their girls. It still does not look like a great place to pickup in my opinion, but a Chinese guy pulled the trigger next to me, BF was 700 for ST and 1 K for LT, 4 K for ST (for 1 or 2 hours, Mamasan said it's up to the girl to decide) 8 K for LT and everything must be paid upfront.

Rainbow 5 didn't have a single place to seat on Saturday night at 1 AM. I had to come back a bit later and try again, many small and very skinny girls, mostly hustlers for drinks. Paid a drink to 3 of them on 2 different nights, all of them drank it speedy to try and get another one. I think it's the only place Indians are not allowed to in Nana, the door man was directing them to the Rainbow 4 instead.

Spanky is the most fucked of all. Not even 10 girls on stage, and interrupted every few minutes for a long and very annoying show. Price of their drink is the highest too, 200 for whatever you order. I'm not even mentionning their customers, the worst kind of all, young Farang dudes discovering gogos with their Farang girlfriends.

[QUOTE=Ampmaster;2958293]I've been on TF getting ready for my holiday in BKK for 2 weeks. I don't want to screw it up for everyone on the future for the market, so I've been getting girls replying 2. 5 k-5 k ST and 8 k-10 k LT. I've read it's usually 3 k for gogo bars (fine and girl) is that correct?

Also a few quoted with "condom no anal" does that mean the ones not quoting that, it's assumed BBFS and anal is on the table? Thanks for all the great Intel. I'm really looking forward to this adventure. It's my first time in BKK.[/QUOTE]Whatever you want arrange in advance, don't assume anything and don't think what you pay affects anyone else.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2958187]Not just bar girls, the parking lot of the Nana hotel was full of girls looking for a place to sleep and often you could pick them up for just letting them sleep in your room. I found one of the most epic finds of my life there ca 2004, a half Indian half Thai girl that blew my world. In return trips ID spend 3 days with her and give her a $100 gift at the end and she was happy. More importantly she was kinky as shit, loved sex more than me. One day she turned up at my nice 5 star hotel wearing a full latex white Nurses outfit with red fishnets and fuck me pumps. She walked up to my room and knocked on my door and I was like "you walked through the lobby like that and nobody stopped you?" Talk about guest friendly hotel. LOL. One trip on my last day I had checked out of the room and we were having lunch and she said follow me. She took me into the men's room, into a stall and blew me again, saying she wanted to taste my cum one last time before I left. Those were truly the days. All I can do now is enjoy the videos cause she was quite the little porn star wannabe. LOL.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Parking lots, Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and 19 just full of working gals back in the day. And after 10 pm it was basically just p4 p gals and mongers on the street. Thanks for sharing the great memory of the good ole days.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2958399]Nana was packed each three nights this past week-end.

I could see Geisha had quite a few new good looking girls in their line up, 803 and 820 come to mind. I know a very cute and nice girl in that place, so each time I go there I stick with her. I was told one of the lookers is in a relationship with one of the waitresses. When I saw her I thought it was a boy, not a good looking one at that. Some completely flat thom boy who does not give a slighty fuck about her appearance. And she scored one of the lookers in the place, life is fucked up. BF is still 1 K for ST and 1200 for LT, girls are trying to get 4 K for ST it seems. The music there is an annoying crazy dumb techno, but the set up is the best in all Nana to be playful with the girls while paying them a drink.

Billboard is still the best place by far to go and sip your drink for 20 minutes without anyone hasseling you. Best dj and best overall atmosphere. There didn't seem to be an improvement from my last visits a few months ago for the quality of their girls. It still does not look like a great place to pickup in my opinion, but a Chinese guy pulled the trigger next to me, BF was 700 for ST and 1 K for LT, 4 K for ST (for 1 or 2 hours, Mamasan said it's up to the girl to decide) 8 K for LT and everything must be paid upfront.

Rainbow 5 didn't have a single place to seat on Saturday night at 1 AM. I had to come back a bit later and try again, many small and very skinny girls, mostly hustlers for drinks. Paid a drink to 3 of them on 2 different nights, all of them drank it speedy to try and get another one. I think it's the only place Indians are not allowed to in Nana, the door man was directing them to the Rainbow 4 instead.

Spanky is the most fucked of all. Not even 10 girls on stage, and interrupted every few minutes for a long and very annoying show. Price of their drink is the highest too, 200 for whatever you order. I'm not even mentionning their customers, the worst kind of all, young Farang dudes discovering gogos with their Farang girlfriends.[/QUOTE]Good report thanks. FWIW I was successful paying only barfine up front and paying girl after at Billboard. The mamasan of course implied I should pay all up front by giving me the total number. But I said I will pay barfine now and pay girl after and she said OK without batting an eye.

And agree Billboard is most fun place to hang. I like the music and love the revolving stage of cameltoe and stripper heels!

Hi all, I recently visited Bangkok and wanted to give you an overall report. I stayed for 2 weeks and, having visited the vast majority of tourist locations already, pretty much ran it as revolving door of WGs (I had an itch that needed scratching LOL). I won't focus on every girl but I did decide to try gameplan a few major places to really see what's up and give an honest take. My daily schedule generally looked like this; Morning. Massage and relax, Lunch. Online girl, Afternoon. Massage / soapy girl, Night. Thermae. Just a note for my style, I don't really care about age too much as long as they don't look visibly wrinkled and enjoy good, passionate service; I wasn't hunting for 20 year olds who do bareback anal. Additionally, I was staying at grande centre point terminal 21 so I did a lot of outcall ordering because I wanted to enjoy the amenities and didn't want to travel around. I much preferred to stay at the pool or spa and sip on some drinks while waiting for a delivery on this trip. I am on the young side so I can cum a lot still and I booked this vacation with this explicit goal, which is why I went for the 2-3 girl per day plan. I also prefer 2 hours to 1 hour meetups. Still, even after a few days, I had to take a break from soreness, so keep that in mind if you are planning something similar. Overall, I'm not sure if I'll keep doing that because it all kinda blended together for me LOL.

Online Girls.

Finding quality WGs is always hard in the early afternoon from my experience (Canada and US are good here) and Bangkok was no exception. Since most of the girls were up late the previous night, I found it hard sample new chicks or even repeats unless I set something up earlier the previous day. While I built up a few numbers from the soapies and Thermae, I took to TF and tried out some of the few escort agencies that were available. I tried out Bangkok Golden Escorts and did enjoy their girls. They have a small lineup but I can generally say that they gave some great service. I didn't feel that any of the girls were amazing stunners but they were attractive enough, spoke good english, and put in some good work. The price is higher than what you can get elsewhere, but I felt that the agency could be worth it if you are looking for a "baseline" good experience during non-peak hours. I tried a few smooci girls as well (verified ages only) and the experience was more mixed; some girls were more mechanical while others were much more engaged. The reviews on the site were not very accurate, outside of whether the girls knew english, so I wouldn't put too much stock in them. I would probably stick more with the number of good reviews to get a feel for if a girl is a proper professional or not. I didn't go to any of the random massage shops because I wasn't impressed with the early offerings.

Overall, I don't think the money spent here is worth the return, unless it's in small doses. I like getting a good baseline experience but I wouldn't make the online offerings a major part of your visit. It does have its uses though, especially for last minute booking or non-peak times. The price for BGE was 6500 baht for 2 hours (definite premium here) and smooci has the variable pricing according to girls though they generally seem to upcharge by a 1000-2000 baht for comparable service.

Soapies.

Generally after a lunch session, I would relax for a few hours and then hit a fishbowl around 5-6 for a 90 minute session. I hit up Black Caviar and really like the place so I returned a few times. The price is high but I had some great experiences. I felt that the girls were really attractive and was surprised when they gave some great service. Being that this place caters to Asians, I came in expecting an experience where you book the super hot girls for top price and they starfish you. I didn't have one of those and actually had some great time chatting and getting a passionate experience. Of my three session here, 2 were above average while 1 was just average (hot girl, very mechanical). This is definitely YMMV and a major splurge item, but there is no denying that there are some absolute stunners here in my opinion. It's worth a look though I probably wouldn't go more than once or twice unless you demand looks above everything else.

I also hit up Maria and a few other fishbowls to mixed results. The service was good overall and just felt like a "lower" (not strictly worse) tier to BC. I am limited here because I did end up choosing the conventionally attractive girls and didn't go after service queens; essentially, I was picking the girl most attractive to me which can generally lead to mixed results for the obvious reasons. English was completely hit or miss at both BC and the other fishbowls.

For Black Caviar, the prices of the girls I selected were north of 10 k Baht. I don't feel this was worth it due to my own preferences (I would want a lot longer session), but again, if you demand beautiful women as your only real requirement, this is the place to get that. I don't think I would repeat. Overall, I like fishbowls for the novelty but it's not my vibe for lots of repeat visits.

Thermae.

Disclaimer: I generally hit this place up when I visit Bangkok so I know it well. Around 9:30-10 pm, I would go to Thermae and see what was on menu. I'm not too big into the gogo bar setup so I really like a place like Thermae where I can work at my own pace by doing a lap or two, selecting a girl, and bringing her back to my place.

I have heard a lot about anti-Western bias, a preference for Asians, and meh service so I decided to check it out to see what's changed since I haven't been in Bangkok for a few years. In my opinion, I didn't see anything change. It's the same as it ever was. I'm not white nor asian and I didn't have any girls say that they wouldn't come back with me. Terminal 21 is really close (less than 5 minutes walk) and all the girls I selected were fine to walk back there. I did have a couple of girls quote 3. 5-4 k /7-8 k for ST / LT but most of them either offered 3 k /5-6 k for ST / LT or quickly accepted when I countered. I felt that there was still the same cross section of FLs that I'm used to at this place; hotties, uglies, fatties, etc. Overall, there were always at least 10+ 8/10's whenever I visited that were available. This is NOT the place to shoot the shit and linger when talking with the girls. Generally, you can have a quick conversation to gauge their vibe and get a closer look. Then you get their number, make a date, or move on. It feels like a lot of guys want to just sit and sip a beer while the girl fawns over you like a gogo, and that seems to be why you see mongers crying about this joint. From the service side, I didn't have any bad experiences but I always book LT so that may change things. I find that most of the girls are happy to kick their legs up for a short period of time to drink before getting down to business. I did have a couple of mechanical sessions and I hate fake moaning but of the 10 or so girls I sampled here, I would say 4 were amazing, 3 above average, 2 average, and 1 annoying (at first, due to immediate fake moaning).

Final thoughts.

I definitely spent more than I would by normally would by trying out some of the expensive options that I had avoided in the past but I had to know if it was worth or not. I think those types of places do have their value, but personally, I'm not at that stage yet. To me, I think I have moved past (personally and financially) cheap rub-and-tug joints that cater to dudes just looking to bust a nut and I would like to pay a slight, reasonable premium for more attractive women that provide better service. In closing, the demise of Bangkok is, once again, much ado about nothing. Old heads will always cry about the good old days, youngins will whine about having to actually try different places out, expats will whinge about tourists not spending 20 hours a day trolling the back alleys to look for "diamonds" who charge 500 baht ST, etc.

To me, Bangkok is still Bangkok; it has a variety of easily accessible price points for mongers and even provides a variety of ways to access WGs that fits your personality. For the newbie to the experienced tourist, it still remains a top spot to have a fun mongering vacation.

[QUOTE=Ampmaster;2958293]I've been on TF getting ready for my holiday in BKK for 2 weeks. I don't want to screw it up for everyone on the future for the market, so I've been getting girls replying 2. 5 k-5 k ST and 8 k-10 k LT. I've read it's usually 3 k for gogo bars (fine and girl) is that correct?

Also a few quoted with "condom no anal" does that mean the ones not quoting that, it's assumed BBFS and anal is on the table? Thanks for all the great Intel. I'm really looking forward to this adventure. It's my first time in BKK.[/QUOTE]Use condom, no anal is a common reply from TF girls when asked what services they offer.

You shouldn't assume anything regarding what you are going to get during a meeting. It is also common for TF girls to agree to services to get a booking and then try to worm their way out of it when in the room (which is why it is important to pay after the event).

[QUOTE=Ampmaster;2958293]
Also a few quoted with "condom no anal" does that mean the ones not quoting that, it's assumed BBFS and anal is on the table? [/QUOTE]Absolutely. You might note a very small minority will also quote no ass-to-mouth, no drinking pee, no gangbangs. You can make the same assumption about that as far as the rest of the women are concerned.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2958326]Longer term means "relationship".

Ill pay my 3 K once a month.

P.S. Only two girls of the hundred at Thermae have asked me for 5 K.[/QUOTE]If managed well, P4P arrangements can remain for years if the people involved are rational enough.

My longest running P4P arrangement is with a 40 yo (now) extremely petite civvie. Earlier weekly, now more like once / twice in 6 months.

Except the obvious red flags, most have lasted with varying meeting frequency for 1-2 years.

Interesting.

But how old are you?

It was easy to socialize with students?

Can you tell how do you book the University dorm?

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2957426]How about.

1. Got myself a monthly stay in a university dorm that is coed.

2. 1 km away walk to a 5 star gym where celebrities work out for less than $25 a month. Pool / Sauna / Yoga / Dance / Gym / Boxing and more. All coed. And I go everyday.

3. Gym located in a 8+ floor mall full of university students and food galore.

4. Cheaper street food still everywhere at student prices.

5. Hotels that some these students bang out of is all within walking distance. Price less than 1000.

The coed university dorm is the difference maker. They trust me LOL. Big cities can be fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2958496]
To me, Bangkok is still Bangkok; it has a variety of easily accessible price points for mongers and even provides a variety of ways to access WGs that fits your personality. For the newbie to the experienced tourist, it still remains a top spot to have a fun mongering vacation.[/QUOTE]Don't have anything to add now but concur. YMMV and go with the tide. Cheers and thank you for the FR.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2957426]
The coed university dorm is the difference maker. They trust me LOL. Big cities can be fun.[/QUOTE]Cool. Reminded me of a stint at [URL]https://www.facebook.com/LumpiniLivingPlusOfficial[/URL] a while back.

Some familiarity with the local lingo helped.

For the uninitiated, researching [URL]https://internationalcenter.bu.ac.th/housing-and-accommodation/[/URL] can be worthwhile.

Hello, everyone! I'm thrilled to be visiting Bangkok for the first time. I've gone through some of the previous posts here, and they've been super helpful, but I still feel a bit lost about where the absolute must-visit spots are. I'the love some recommendations for hidden gems and any can't-miss experiences you think a first-timer would enjoy. Thanks in advance for your tips and looking forward to exploring this vibrant city!

[QUOTE=Buffy333;2958875]I'the love some recommendations for hidden gems and any can't-miss experiences you think a first-timer would enjoy. [/QUOTE]Depends on your budget.

1. G Club like The Pimp. I'm sure you read about many other G clubs in your research.
2. Popular lately is T-Ded 99 (you can find EThai's excellent review in the Links of Distinction thread).
3. Gogo bars at Nana Plaza.
4. Thermae.
5. massage joints around Phrom Phong BTS. Many other massage places that you've read about in your research as well.
6. FL on Soi 4.

[QUOTE=Luckyguy7198;2958831]Cool. Reminded me of a stint at [URL]https://www.facebook.com/LumpiniLivingPlusOfficial[/URL] a while back.

Some familiarity with the local lingo helped.

For the uninitiated, researching [URL]https://internationalcenter.bu.ac.th/housing-and-accommodation/[/URL] can be worthwhile.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2958821]Interesting.

But how old are you?

It was easy to socialize with students?

Can you tell how do you book the University dorm?[/QUOTE]1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 days a week the college girls be begging. To get a guy that sexually performs. So whenever I get horny I go to the dorm. Went to the dorm Sunday around midnight. I saw a hunny and she gave me an invite. To her room and said that she had been scoping me in English class and now she was hoping. Just to talk (yeah right) but now instead, since we was alone she'd rather get me into bed. I nibbled on her ear and said I hope your in condition. Then she got down in a yoga like position. Took off her clothes and said her name was Dianna. Her chest was bigger than the state of Indiana. She said let's get busy, I don't want to lose ya and needless to say I knocked it like a Hoosier.

Boots on the ground here in Bangkok, report.

Checked out Thermae, after going to wood bar for a BJ. Wish I had waited for the BJ. I have no idea what you other dudes are smoking but thermae was FULL of insanely hot young women. Packed! Smiling at me with enthusiasm. The biggest issue is at standing room only, so it's kind of challenging to just chill out there for a bit. You feel pressured to pick and leave.

Yes, mostly Asians, but a few westerners mingling as well, none of us ignored, with the exception of may be a few. But who cares with that many to choose from. And Asians are cool for the most part with westerners; you're GTG there. Listen to an older Asian man coaching a younger Asian guy how to approach the girls and what to do. Which I thought was kind of comical.

Wood bar was meh, got the job done, went sh I'the saved the juice. LOL $1300 out the door including beer.

Arrived just after 9 PM on a Monday night. Met one of my usual girls there from Laos. I asked her to choose two more girls to join us but all her friends were off work that night. Time to take matters into my own hands I said. Off to the back area on the way to the toilets and chose two more girls. Then decided it was about time I utilized one of the Karaoke rooms. Best part about it was the sound system connected to you tube. I then became my own DJ for the rest of the night.

Girls and me got settled in and I ordered a bottle of red label. 1000 Baht including the mixers. Ordered some snack foods for the ladies and a bucket of beer. What transpired next could only be described as a mad house. Girls dancing naked on the table, grinding on my dick by all the ladies, and a blow Job by one of the other ladies. My regular then gets jealous and storms out. Ah well. Off to choose her replacement. We finished off the bottle and I ordered 6 more Heineken. By this time, I was completely plastered and so were the girls. It was approaching 2 AM and about time for my hotel run. With my regular off pouting the toilet, I was able to sneak out with two of the girls for a threesome. One Thai girl and one Laos girl. Both 21 years old with white skin and spinner type figures.

At the hotel we showered together and then jumped on the bed. They were both smashed, but surprisingly performed quite well. No girl on girl action, but both girls gave me a joint blow job, two mouths sucking on my dick. I was able to grab a short video of this as well. Classic. Then I lined them up in doggy on the bed and moved to fuck them both from behind, switching girls every minute or so. Best thing about this was no condom switching. No condoms at all LOL. After this, one girl climbs on me for reverse cowgirl while the other straddles my mouth grinding my tongue until climaxing, while the other rides me. Next, I decided to line them both up in mish and take turns fucking each one. Only thing I hate about threesomes is trying to decide which girl to blow my load in. This night I chose the Laos girl. I swear this load kept pouring in forever. One of the longest cums I have ever had.

Then a clean up and we left the hotel. The three of us arm in arm. Funny thing is my regular was on her way over with a Chinese guy as we were leaving and gave me the longest hate stare I have ever seen. The next day, she wouldn't stop messaging me. I told her very straight. I hate drama and I always take care of her very well when I come in. I told her she blew it. She won't stop messaging me now. Begging me to come back to take her.

Total damage was as follows:

6000 Baht for the room, the bottle, the food, and for the 4 different girls to sit and drink.

2500 each girl total 5000 baht including the hotel room.

2000 baht tip spilt between both girls in the hotel.

1500 in tips for the staff.

Total damage Approximently 12,000 Baht.

Love T-Ded 99.

Lol hope this drowns out all the university dorm stuff. It is useless info and should be moved to the chat threat.

[QUOTE=Buffy333;2958875]Hello, everyone! I'm thrilled to be visiting Bangkok for the first time. I've gone through some of the previous posts here, and they've been super helpful, but I still feel a bit lost about where the absolute must-visit spots are. I'the love some recommendations for hidden gems and any can't-miss experiences you think a first-timer would enjoy. Thanks in advance for your tips and looking forward to exploring this vibrant city![/QUOTE]Massages.

Snow White & Mango soi 24 and 24/1.

Go Go bars.

Crazy House Soi Cowboy.

Butterfly Na Na Plaza.

Beer bars.

Soi 7, there are about 10 there to check out.

Freelancers.

Thermae.

Thai Friendly.

Night Clubs for freelancers.

Mixx.

Climax back open again on Soi 11.

The Hillary Bars on Soi 11 and Soi 4

Chill Club.

Flamingo in Emquartier, beautiful club with freelancers and normal girls.

Hope this helps.

Guys there is a small hidden soi before Soi 20 on Sukhumvit, soi 20/1. It strangely comes before soi 20 and not after. There are small bars and massage parlors down this side soi and there are some diamonds in the ruff there. I had a great session at the last massage parlor on the right hand side. Forgot the name and on google maps street view it is not labelled yet. Check this soi out guys after 8 PM.

Hello, can anyone tell me more about Thai friendly. How much do the girls typically charge? Are most girls freelancers there. Was a good messaging strategy?

Hello all, I'm exploring Asia at the moment for people who've mongered extensively in both Bangkok and Manilla, which do you prefer and why? I tend to game with SW more, but will use socials and websites if I have to.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2959006]Massages.

Snow White & Mango soi 24 and 24/1.

Go Go bars.

Crazy House Soi Cowboy.

Butterfly Na Na Plaza.

Beer bars.

Soi 7, there are about 10 there to check out.

Freelancers.

Thermae.

Thai Friendly.

Night Clubs for freelancers.[/QUOTE]Hi, which ones has the most hotties, and how much they charge?

[QUOTE=Buffy333;2958875]Hello, everyone! I'm thrilled to be visiting Bangkok for the first time. I've gone through some of the previous posts here, and they've been super helpful, but I still feel a bit lost about where the absolute must-visit spots are. I'the love some recommendations for hidden gems and any can't-miss experiences you think a first-timer would enjoy. Thanks in advance for your tips and looking forward to exploring this vibrant city![/QUOTE]I've got 2 words for you my friend:

Phrom Phong.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2959000]
Total damage was as follows:

6000 Baht for the room, the bottle, the food, and for the 4 different girls to sit and drink.

2500 each girl total 5000 baht including the hotel room.

2000 baht tip spilt between both girls in the hotel.

1500 in tips for the staff.

Total damage Approximently 12,000 Baht.
[/QUOTE]Excellent and informative report.

Looking for some advice on an upcoming Thailand trip as a newbie to the Thai scene. There's quite an overwhelming load of information on this forum and wiki guides which is a bit hard to navigate.

Ultimately looking for the best ST GFE I can find, with OWO and DFK a high priority for me, not too worried about spending a little extra for quality, but ideally would like to spend less than what I would in the UK (so perhaps less than 6500 bhat all-in for ST). I will have only around 2 nights in Bangkok so really keen to make the most of it. Due to the logistics also only looking for ST, preferably where I can use nearby room facilities or utilise nearby cheap hotels that I needn't stay the night.

This is my rough itinerary based on some quick research of this forum:

Night 1: Nana Plaza & or Soi Cowboy, seems like must visit places for a newbie.

Night 2: A Soapy Parlour seems like it might mix it up nicely from the RLDs, I'm thinking of checking out Poseidon or maybe Aya Massage.

Please let me know your thoughts, given my limited time I mostly don't want to waste time with poor service, appreciate any recommendations on how best I can find out if OWO / DFK is on offer, is there certain terminology that's standard in Thailand? Or particular places where GFE / OWO / DFK is the norm?

Does anyone have experience with this club? Their online ad says that "Christie's Club in Bangkok is the place to go if you want to spend time with attractive Thai women in relaxed surroundings. ".

Are the girls freelance? Can they be bar fined or can one have sex with them in the club? Or are they mostly regular girls going out for a few drinks and some fun?

Not sure how old you are but Any tips for getting a hard on after getting sloshed?

I heard the ED drugs interfere with drinks so I have stopped drinking if I want to have sex.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2959000]Arrived just after 9 PM on a Monday night. Met one of my usual girls there from Laos. I asked her to choose two more girls to join us but all her friends were off work that night. Time to take matters into my own hands I said. Off to the back area on the way to the toilets and chose two more girls. Then decided it was about time I utilized one of the Karaoke rooms. Best part about it was the sound system connected to you tube. I then became my own DJ for the rest of the night.

Girls and me got settled in and I ordered a bottle of red label. 1000 Baht including the mixers. Ordered some snack foods for the ladies and a bucket of beer. What transpired next could only be described as a mad house. Girls dancing naked on the table, grinding on my dick by all the ladies, and a blow Job by one of the other ladies. My regular then gets jealous and storms out. Ah well. Off to choose her replacement. We finished off the bottle and I ordered 6 more Heineken. By this time, I was completely plastered and so were the girls. It was approaching 2 AM and about time for my hotel run. With my regular off pouting the toilet, I was able to sneak out with two of the girls for a threesome. One Thai girl and one Laos girl. Both 21 years old with white skin and spinner type figures..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2959000]Total damage was as follows:

6000 Baht for the room, the bottle, the food, and for the 4 different girls to sit and drink.

2500 each girl total 5000 baht including the hotel room.

2000 baht tip spilt between both girls in the hotel.

1500 in tips for the staff.

Total damage Approximently 12,000 Baht.

Love T-Ded 99.

Lol hope this drowns out all the university dorm stuff. It is useless info and should be moved to the chat threat.[/QUOTE]Great report, and it has further interested me in visiting T-Ded 99.

Tho the cost more adds up to like 14,500 if your numbers as stated are correct.

Still not too shabby for the entertainment level had.

Getting ready for Thailand and particularly Bangkok in two weeks. Last year I met some lovely Thai ladies thanks to TF. But this time it seems like there is much less going on. Fewer women, less activity overall. Also the website is super sluggish now. The app is okay but for a more focused juggling of all those prospects I still prefer a website and a keyboard. Did anybody else notice a difference? I hope this is just an isolated issue.

[QUOTE=MasterRochi;2959025]Hello, can anyone tell me more about Thai friendly. How much do the girls typically charge? Are most girls freelancers there. Was a good messaging strategy?[/QUOTE]

The usual fees. 2000 or more. Switch conversation to Line early on. The hotter the lady the more requests she gets. Some of them are basically drowning in messages.

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2959229]Looking for the best ST GFE I can find, with OWO and DFK. Would like to spend less than 6,500 baht. Looking for ST, preferably where I can use nearby room or nearby cheap hotels that I needn't stay the night. Appreciate any recommendations on how best I can find out if OWO / DFK is on offer.[/QUOTE]With only two nights you don't have the time to be wandering all over town. You've got to focus on places that have a good selection and a convenient place to go.

Accordingly, I recommend giving Soi Cowboy a miss. Granted, there are a few places there that are worthwhile: Baccara and Crazy House to name two. But quite a few of the go-go clubs are clip joints that promise more than they deliver and gouge patrons for overpriced drinks. Finally, Soi Cowboy attracts a lot of civilian gawkers.

I also recommend against the high end soapies. They have their fans, but GFE isn't their forte. Moreover, some of the girls charge more than your 6,500 budget.

I think Thermae is worth a look. It's centrally located and there is a short-time hotel in the same building. There are usually lots of girls available. Just my opinion, but many of the Thermae girls have a "girlfriend" look. Fewer tattoos. Clothing that's pretty or cute vice sleazy or cheap. If you're interested in BBBJ and DFK there's no need for euphemism. Just ask. They've heard it all. The only downside about Thermae for you is that it's a point and shoot place. Guys come in, have a single drink, and pick a girl. You won't be spending much time together before the main event.

Which is why I think Mr. Bangz would probably do best at the Nana Plaza. Multiple bars in one complex. Numerous girls to choose from. As a FNG he'll probably agree to a deal that's at the top end of the pricing scale. So let's say 1,500 for a bar fine and 3,500 for short time. That leaves 1,500 for drinks and the short time hotel. (Before COVID there was one in the complex. Is it still operating?) I think Mr. Bangz will like the chance to get to know the girls in the bar, a process that often includes kissing and wandering hands. If the vibe is good, pay the bar fine to the mamasan. But not the girl's fee ("I pay later in room.") If the girl is a cold fish in the bar while having a drink, move on to the next girl or club.

Obviously, going to Thermae and Nana Plaza only scratches the surface of the naughty boy scene in Bangkok. But for a newbie who has only two nights, those places offer the best chance to find what he's looking for.

Bunky

New to the forum, not new to the scene.

I can speak Thai, my ex wife was Thai, and I worked with rich Thais before.

Would like to contribute. I feel like I can provide some unique insights so feel free to ask questions.

I have a quick 4 day stop lined up in December.

I usually just hit up the soapies, get LINE of the ones I like and LT at my hotel.

Planning to check out Elite Thonglor (anyone been?) this time. I heard a lot of good things about this place. Maybe I can find a couple girls to add to my rotation.

Regards.

BN.

Hello Everibody.

I wrote my rewiew about TDed-99.

This is the address: Address: 112 Sutthisan Winitchai Rd, Samsen Nai, Phaya Thai, Bangkok. I got there comfortably by BTS. It opens at 9 pm, but the pussy abounds from 10 pm.

The place is very big. You go in and choose a hottie from around 50, at least at 10 pm. The women are pretty, although, from my point of view, there are better ones in some gogo's in Nana, and worse ones in others. However, none are ugly. I chose one who then claimed to be 23 years old. That may be true.

The place is full of Thai people, but I was well accepted.

A big difference with gogo bars is that here there are no ladydrinks: I got a bottle of whisky to mix with cola at a very normal price for Thailand (here it would be much more expensive), and then the chick ordered some food which we shared (even though I was full).

Of course the pussy is not free, you pay by the hour, but very little. I didn't write down the price and can't remember now, but pussy 1 hour, plus a bottle of whisky and several cans of cola, plus a plate of good Thai food, I spent 960 bath. Cheaper.

Plus chick and waiter asked for a tip. The evening wasn't great, she was not nice (she didn't speak English but that doesn't count, I had fun even with chicks who only spoke Thai, joking as one could), and she didn't get anything done. The waiter was oppressive to me. I left 100 baht to her and 40 to the waiter. Had I had fun I would have left more.

Mind you, if there had been two of us we would have drunk the same bottle, with less headache afterwards, and paid the same, apart from the extra pussy. I think for 1 hour 300 baht.

And if you want to fuck? Forget the figures of the gogo (divided into chick, barfine, taxy, . But I'm only interested in the total! Here pussy with room is 2500 baht. All included, no additions with various names. Mine took it for granted, but I didn't feel like it with her that night, then that day I had already ravaged myself in a massage with a prettier and nicer one. However, again, it's subjective. She was certainly pretty, like many others there.

In summary, I don't think I'll go there again, unless I also go with a friend for a joke.

I would recommend it, for a change if you feel the need, to those who stay in Bangkok a lot.

But, given the simple structure and honesty, it's fine even if one is a neophyte if one really wants to. Better to go with friends, you have more fun and spend less at the table. Obviously split up for the short (unless you want otherwise.).

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2958962]1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 days a week the college girls be begging. To get a guy that sexually performs. So whenever I get horny I go to the dorm. Went to the dorm Sunday around midnight. I saw a hunny and she gave me an invite. To her room and said that she had been scoping me in English class and now she was hoping. Just to talk (yeah right) but now instead, since we was alone she'd rather get me into bed. I nibbled on her ear and said I hope your in condition. Then she got down in a yoga like position. Took off her clothes and said her name was Dianna. Her chest was bigger than the state of Indiana. She said let's get busy, I don't want to lose ya and needless to say I knocked it like a Hoosier.[/QUOTE]But are you a students?

How old are you?

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2959678]But are you a students?

How old are you?[/QUOTE]When aren't we students? Tell me when you stop learning. Or you like that everything guy? LOL. And this thing about age. My body has a BMI of 21.7, 0.8 waist to hip, 11.5% body fat, 49% skeletal muscle. Feel free to guess my age? I'd wager better than most college males. As for my spirit. I have no beginning, no end. Timeless. Ageless. It's what humans call eternal and everlasting. LOL.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2959478]Not sure how old you are but Any tips for getting a hard on after getting sloshed?
I heard the ED drugs interfere with drinks so I have stopped drinking if I want to have sex.[/QUOTE]You heard correctly, somewhat.

Tho it is more like the alcohol interferes it is stated with the performance of the ED drugs.

My personal view is that if you're sloshed, your whole arousal process is degraded and fucked up, and even ED drugs can no longer help you.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2959616]Hello Everibody.

I wrote my rewiew about TDed-99.

This is the address: Address: 112 Sutthisan Winitchai Rd, Samsen Nai, Phaya Thai, Bangkok. I got there comfortably by BTS. It opens at 9 pm, but the pussy abounds from 10 pm.

The place is very big. You go in and choose a hottie from around 50, at least at 10 pm. The women are pretty, although, from my point of view, there are better ones in some gogo's in Nana, and worse ones in others. However, none are ugly. I chose one who then claimed to be 23 years old. That may be true.

The place is full of Thai people, but I was well accepted.

A big difference with gogo bars is that here there are no ladydrinks: I got a bottle of whisky to mix with cola at a very normal price for Thailand (here it would be much more expensive), and then the chick ordered some food which we shared (even though I was full).

Of course the pussy is not free, you pay by the hour, but very little. I didn't write down the price and can't remember now, but pussy 1 hour, plus a bottle of whisky and several cans of cola, plus a plate of good Thai food, I spent 960 bath. Cheaper.

Plus chick and waiter asked for a tip. The evening wasn't great, she was not nice (she didn't speak English but that doesn't count, I had fun even with chicks who only spoke Thai, joking as one could), and she didn't get anything done. The waiter was oppressive to me. I left 100 baht to her and 40 to the waiter. Had I had fun I would have left more.

Mind you, if there had been two of us we would have drunk the same bottle, with less headache afterwards, and paid the same, apart from the extra pussy. I think for 1 hour 300 baht.

And if you want to fuck? Forget the figures of the gogo (divided into chick, barfine, taxy, . But I'm only interested in the total! Here pussy with room is 2500 baht. All included, no additions with various names. Mine took it for granted, but I didn't feel like it with her that night, then that day I had already ravaged myself in a massage with a prettier and nicer one. However, again, it's subjective. She was certainly pretty, like many others there.

In summary, I don't think I'll go there again, unless I also go with a friend for a joke.

I would recommend it, for a change if you feel the need, to those who stay in Bangkok a lot.

But, given the simple structure and honesty, it's fine even if one is a neophyte if one really wants to. Better to go with friends, you have more fun and spend less at the table. Obviously split up for the short (unless you want otherwise.).[/QUOTE]This is the experience that most tourists will have if they go to T- Ded and sadly, most western guys, even if they live here full time like me. I ran into a couple of western guys while I was there last and they both looked like they were lost or they were deer caught in the headlights of a car. Being able to speak Thai here goes a long way for mileage and so on. In my posts about T-Ded 99, I never claimed it was a good place for guys on vacation to go and I never tried to sell it to you guys here on holiday. . To me, this is a place I can go with tons of hot girls and get away from the usual haunts that are getting more and more boring for me everyday, while at the same time, getting what I want with hot ladies for half the price of what I would spend in a bar or go go that is geared towards foreign customers.

So, I think you have made the right decision not to go back. You fueled your curiosity and that's it. You better stick to the normal tourist haunts as this place is clearly not the place you will enjoy your time. Mainly because you can't speak Thai.


FYI for some reason, Chinese guys always do well here. The girls and the staff seem to make an extra effort for them because they are also Asian and they are not shy to spend money and the money the girls here are happy with is on a much lower scale than in the normal tourist haunts. They are not so dick scared of them, which is another big reason. So, in summary, for western guys, the language barrier is more of an issue than with the Chinese because the girls will go the extra mile to try and adapt to them. With a western guy with no Thai language skills , they wont for obvious reasons. Many western guys have Big dicks, are cheap charlies, they talk too much and have extreme demands in the bedroom.


The best advice I can give anyone who wants to go here is to just go with the flow, don't be too serious and learn some basic Thai. Then you will have a blast with many sexy girls just like me and it wont put you in the poor house either.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2959696]When aren't we students? Tell me when you stop learning. Or you like that everything guy? LOL. And this thing about age. My body has a BMI of 21.7, 0.8 waist to hip, 11.5% body fat, 49% skeletal muscle. Feel free to guess my age? I'd wager better than most college males. As for my spirit. I have no beginning, no end. Timeless. Ageless. It's what humans call eternal and everlasting. LOL.[/QUOTE]God you are in terrible shape, my BMI is like in the 70's. Get with the program.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2959696]When aren't we students? Tell me when you stop learning. Or you like that everything guy? LOL. And this thing about age. My body has a BMI of 21.7, 0.8 waist to hip, 11.5% body fat, 49% skeletal muscle. Feel free to guess my age? I'd wager better than most college males. As for my spirit. I have no beginning, no end. Timeless. Ageless. It's what humans call eternal and everlasting. LOL.[/QUOTE]Translation: "I'm WAY past college age (but not fat) and if you think what I'm doing is creppy go f- yourself. ".

Hello everyone,

I'm a fellow ISG member from India, and I'll be visiting Bangkok in mid- Nov for my third trip. This time, I'm looking to explore more than the usual touristy spots, massages, or go-go bars. I'm keen to dive into the vibrant nightlife and club scene the city has to offer.

Additionally, I have an active interest in meeting my desires and kinks somehwer with westhern girls, hugely into GFE, so I'the appreciate any tips, contacts, or recommendations from fellow members for places or experiences off the beaten track. I'll be staying for about four nights and would be happy to reciprocate with suggestions or contacts for anyone visiting India.

Looking forward to hearing from the community.

Overall, my week here in Bangkok is going quite well. I would describe it as too much pussy and too little time. I don't know how some of you complain. There is literally women everywhere. I'm in the Nana block and it's just flooded with women. Don't matter what time of day or night you can find something around every corner. Went into Thermae last night and quickly picked a girl, she was a bit older, 33, but had some nice curves. Took taxi back to my room. It was probably a five minute walk, but I was trying to be anIt was probably a five minute walk, but I was trying to be a gentleman. Agreed on 2000ST. Immediately upon entering my room, she started complaining and whining about her rent being due, and she was going to be kicked out. She told me, (not asking) that she was going to stay long-term for the night and leave in the morning. And said I would pay her ฿5000. I was polite, but basically, I laughed and said I don't want someone hear all night. I've had a few drinks and after we're done, I want to pass out and go to sleep. Thank you but no thank you. First red flag. Then she tells me I should put my wallet in the safe which I thought was odd. "So you don't have to worry" I'm like I'm a big boy. I think I can handle my money. But it was definitely red flag number two. Well, we did the deed And while it wasn't great, but it was adequate. After she was dressed, I gave her a hug and handed her a $1000 note and two $500. She left. About a minute later, there was a knock at my door. I opened it thinking she must've forgot something. She's standing there holding the money and tells me something about confusing due to the "color of the bills. " "You must've made a mistake" and she had a 100 and 500. I know damn well what I had in my pocket and I know what I gave her, but I made the mistake of not having her count it before she left. To avoid any kind of issue I just went ahead and opened my safe and handed her another $1000. I frowned at her And basically let her know that I knew she was scamming me, but I was going to let her get away with it. I mean the going rate is 3000 at Thermae so I figured it was just as well. The rest of my encounters here have been magnificent. Got a legit porn star style deep throat gagging BJ for a girl yesterday and she literally got herself worked up doing a BBBJ on me. We had agreed to just a blowjob after 10 minutes of this. I asked her if she wanted to fuck and she looked up at me and said please. I love this place my fellow mongers.

If anyone is out and about around Nana and you want to talk shop over a beer this is my last night in Bangkok then I had to Pattaya. Hit me up.

On a side note lots of cuties to be had off TF for 1500-2000 anytime you want it.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2959774]Overall, my week here in Bangkok is going quite well. I would describe it as too much pussy and too little time. I don't know how some of you complain. There is literally women everywhere. I'm in the Nana block and it's just flooded with women. Don't matter what time of day or night you can find something around every corner. Went into Thermae last night and quickly picked a girl, she was a bit older, 33, but had some nice curves. Took taxi back to my room. It was probably a five minute walk, but I was trying to be anIt was probably a five minute walk, but I was trying to be a gentleman. Agreed on 2000ST. [/QUOTE]Me too have noticed problem at Thermae. Some year ago a girl would quote the time and told me we agree for 5000, when we agree for 3000. I paied 3000 plus 200 bath tips, that she never merit. But it was not nice her reaction, and I was worried she called some "friends".

I am completely sure I agree for 3000, so I never pick up girls from Thermae anymore. I think the start asking too much and became untratable.

They look to be more that in the past, but it may be because times is more short, they ask more money and then pretend more too, and finally they word less (getting more money too). But this is a my opinion.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2959696]When aren't we students? Tell me when you stop learning. Or you like that everything guy? LOL. And this thing about age. My body has a BMI of 21.7, 0.8 waist to hip, 11.5% body fat, 49% skeletal muscle. Feel free to guess my age? I'd wager better than most college males. As for my spirit. I have no beginning, no end. Timeless. Ageless. It's what humans call eternal and everlasting. LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I do not undestand weel BMI and muscle indications, but I clearly got you have a very sportive body.

So it is not my case. I do not think to be ugly, but for sure not a gym guy.

I think for me is better to go for paied. Sometimes I got some University students in my town, usually tourist, but with a lot of work and efforth. So not the case for Thailand short term holiday, and with a lot of easy and nice pay.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2959774]Well, we did the deed And while it wasn't great, but it was adequate. After she was dressed, I gave her a hug and handed her a $1000 note and two $500. She left. About a minute later, there was a knock at my door. I opened it thinking she must've forgot something. She's standing there holding the money and tells me something about confusing due to the "color of the bills. " "You must've made a mistake" and she had a 100 and 500. I know damn well what I had in my pocket and I know what I gave her, but I made the mistake of not having her count it before she left. To avoid any kind of issue I just went ahead and opened my safe and handed her another $1000. I frowned at her And basically let her know that I knew she was scamming me, but I was going to let her get away with it. I mean the going rate is 3000 at Thermae so I figured it was just as well.[/QUOTE]The 3 K rate is supposed to be for young and good looking girls only, not for over 30 average looking women.

That woman was just a thieve, you should have told her to fuck off. She probably pulls that scam very often with naive customers.

[QUOTE=Newbee7976;2959773]
Additionally, I have an active interest in meeting my desires and kinks somehwer with westhern girls, hugely into GFE, so I'the appreciate any tips, contacts, or recommendations from fellow members for places or experiences off the beaten track.
Looking forward to hearing from the community.[/QUOTE]Why would you go to Thailand to meet Western girls? Go to Europe, America, Canada, or any place that has a bevy of western girls available. I guess you could also hit up Dubai or something, as well. There are threads on this forum that talk about western girls in Thailand / Asia and it's usually not worth it.

Good morning.

I don't see many people talk about soapies here. I'm guessing because it seems like a rip off compared to the massage parlors and red light districts you can go to. I personally don't have an issue with the price because I come from the hellscape known as LA where I'm used to paying $600+ for a session with chinese girls.

When you enter, a papasan or mamasan is going to help you pick a girl. You can let them know your preference and they'll get you a lineup that fits your criteria.

If you plan on coming back, I suggest getting their contact info.

The girls at BC are ranked with a bunch of random letters + numbers. If you remember their rank and number you can ask your mamasan to reserve them in advance next time.

From what the girls told me, the "cheaper" ones $8 k baht and under work everyday and often switch between other soapies throughout the week. This is because the girls are paid with a ticket system where they would get paid every time they see 12-15 customers.

The more "expensive" ones at $10 k+ are different because their first few payouts are given at a bonus rate. They also often only work at one place (BC) and I'll get to why in a second. I believe the extra payouts that are given to these girls are how these establishments convince these girls to work with them.

The higher priced girls are often younger, less jaded. I've met many who had been working for 2 months+ without getting paid because they hated seeing men so much they only come to work once a week LOL.

I'm sure there are girls that come to work once or twice and never come back. So these establishments essentially got a girl to sell her body for free.

The service is consistently good. The worst you'll get is mechanical service (If they really hate you) and the best is BBBJ that will make your toes do gang signs and hydraulic press Amazonian style cowgirl that will make you see stars for a few seconds.

A sessions starts at 90 minutes. Every girl gives 2 shots but I've met some that give unlimited. The all you can nut special.

I suggest getting the membership to limit your spending. I like the 30 k package. It includes $30 k baht credit to spend. A bottle and I believe 2 room upgrades.

Thai people don't often come because it's expensive but they do come. I've came with my taxi driver before LOL.

They also have a restaurant on site. I could honestly spend a week here without stepping a foot outside.

Maybe this will get some of you guys interested.

Regards.

BN.

[QUOTE=Newbee7976;2959773]Hello everyone,

I'm a fellow ISG member from India, and I'll be visiting Bangkok in mid- Nov for my third trip. This time, I'm looking to explore more than the usual touristy spots, massages, or go-go bars. I'm keen to dive into the vibrant nightlife and club scene the city has to offer.

Additionally, I have an active interest in meeting my desires and kinks somehwer with westhern girls, hugely into GFE, so I'the appreciate any tips, contacts, or recommendations from fellow members for places or experiences off the beaten track. I'll be staying for about four nights and would be happy to reciprocate with suggestions or contacts for anyone visiting India.

Looking forward to hearing from the community.[/QUOTE]I don't think there would be any western girls working in BKK. They make several times more money working in Western Countries and not having to fly there. We come there to monger beause both in BKK and Philippines pussy is much cheaper compared to western countries and are readily available. The best you could find there are Ukranian girls. In the US, prostitution is illegal everywhere except some parts of Nevada and mostly they opearte under escort services, and cops can still bust them. Most of the massage places in the US where you can get sex or handjobs are operated by Koreans or Chinese.

I will also be there in eight days for two weeks. I am not sure how many times I have visited BKK and Philippines. Good luck in BKK.

So, at the risk of being trolled, I an going to repeat myself about Christie's club on Soi 33. Someone on this board must know the answer to this question.

Does anyone have experience with this club? Their online ad says that "Christie's Club in Bangkok is the place to go if you want to spend time with attractive Thai women in relaxed surroundings. ".

Are the girls freelance? Can they be bar fined or can one have sex with them in the club? Or are they mostly regular girls going out for a few drinks and some fun?

Hello Everyone,

I am travelling solo to Thailand for 50 days from 24 November 2024 to 11 January 2025, covering only Bangkok and Pattaya.

If someone is interested and wants to meet up, we can have drinks, food, a party, and mongering!! Cheers.

[QUOTE=Kuku696;2959907]I don't think there would be any western girls working in BKK. They make several times more money working in Western Countries and not having to fly there. We come there to monger beause both in BKK and Philippines pussy is much cheaper compared to western countries and are readily available. The best you could find there are Ukranian girls. In the US, prostitution is illegal everywhere except some parts of Nevada and mostly they opearte under escort services, and cops can still bust them. Most of the massage places in the US where you can get sex or handjobs are operated by Koreans or Chinese.

I will also be there in eight days for two weeks. I am not sure how many times I have visited BKK and Philippines. Good luck in BKK.[/QUOTE]Actually I've noticed something since being in Bangkok. There are some western women here, often with their boyfriends etc that are curious about the scene over her and in fact I've seen a few western couples taking a Thai woman or even multiple women back to their room. Like perhaps a fetish type thing. I see couples picking up Thai women in the clubs etc. And I have 100% seen working women from the west here, not many, but a few. Me? I came here for Thai women. If I want western women I'll go to Germany, etc.

Thank to you for the support and guidance. I am looking forward to the trip. Are the hotels like.

Ramada / Novotel girls friendly, or should I be looking for something else.

[QUOTE=Buffy333;2960115]Thank to you for the support and guidance. I am looking forward to the trip. Are the hotels like.

Ramada / Novotel girls friendly, or should I be looking for something else.[/QUOTE]All hotels are girl friendly.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2959999]Actually I've noticed something since being in Bangkok. There are some western women here, often with their boyfriends etc that are curious about the scene over her and in fact I've seen a few western couples taking a Thai woman or even multiple women back to their room. Like perhaps a fetish type thing. I see couples picking up Thai women in the clubs etc. And I have 100% seen working women from the west here, not many, but a few. Me? I came here for Thai women. If I want western women I'll go to Germany, etc.[/QUOTE]I understand about western women and couples picking up Thai girls. But I have never seen any westerners other than Eastern European and African women working there. In fact, I have picked up two Ukranian girls several years ago from the Grace Hotel coffee house.

I would be curious to know if there are any Indian or Sri Lankan women working there. You would see a lot of them working in Singapore, especially near Little India.

I have had several African women in Kenya and Tanzania, so there is no interest for me to pick them up from BKK.

[QUOTE=BigSniffer;2959889]The higher priced girls are often younger, less jaded. I've met many who had been working for 2 months+ without getting paid because they hated seeing men so much they only come to work once a week LOL.
I'm sure there are girls that come to work once or twice and never come back. So these establishments essentially got a girl to sell her body for free.[/QUOTE]I would NEVER support a business that does not pay its girls, this is not what this community is about.

[QUOTE=Kuku696;2960224]I understand about western women and couples picking up Thai girls. But I have never seen any westerners other than Eastern European and African women working there. In fact, I have picked up two Ukranian girls several years ago from the Grace Hotel coffee house.

I would be curious to know if there are any Indian or Sri Lankan women working there. You would see a lot of them working in Singapore, especially near Little India.

I have had several African women in Kenya and Tanzania, so there is no interest for me to pick them up from BKK.[/QUOTE]The Grace was over 10 years ago. That scene is long gone.

Recently I did something I said I would never do. I went to see a Fiw Fans girl for more than ST. This particular girl just had something about her that I wanted. A certain appeal that looked elusive for a westerner. That made me want her even more. The booking went pretty smooth. You can get 1 hour for 1500 Baht, but I chose the 5 hour option for 4900 Baht for unlimited pops. I got the usual questions from the booking agent about dick size, but again, it went pretty smooth.

The hotel is a new and clean 3 star hotel in the area of Changwattana. Meaning the rooms are brand new and the hotel rooms are also modern and clean. She greeted me at the door in the black sexy negligee I requested and we sat down for a quick chat in Thai. She is half Chinese and says she is from Bangkok, but I am thinking more like Laos or Udon Thani. Then off to separate showers.

Now onto the bed where she began a nice slow BBBJ. I was really enjoying this and she kept going. Normally, I don't want to cum like this , but heck, I have 5 hours so who cares. I then let myself fall under her spell and let her finish me. She took it all in her mouth, but then ran to bathroom to spit as expected.

We then chatted more about life and bullshit while I played with her titis to get hard again. Then I went in for some DATY. She tasted good and I wanted to see if I could make her cum. However, like some of these types of girls, they never had this before so they get uncomfortable and complain it tickles. She was wet though so I moved up for some action in mish. I started to put it in bare and she said condom. I said wait a minute. Right next to the bed on the table was the 4900 Baht I had paid her already. I simply went over to grab another 4000 Baht from my bag and put it on the table with the original payment. Then just climbed back on the bed and said ok ? She didn't say a word and just grabbed my cock and put it inside. She was dam tight and it felt amazing. We fucked in mish for about 10 minutes and then she climbed on top and rode me. This time she was able to cum and let me know she did if you know what I mean. Then I flipped her over into doggy and finished that way. What a gorgeous ass.

At this point, I was spent, but I wanted more of that ass. I suggested we order some food, but she asked if we could go out. I said what about your other customers? She said she will cancel. So off we went to central for some MK. It was nice to chill a bit and it gave me some time to recover.

Now back at the room and we showered together this time and back on the bed. Nice slow blow job again and more fucking in all positions. Alas, I could not finish a third time.

We said our goodbyes after a quick shower and I was off. She messages me every once in a while, but I tell her I am busy. This is one three day rule I wont break and that's why I reduced it to the one day rule if you know what I mean. Dangerous for me and too many other conquests.

For my boy Etooms, this is what I do to get the BBFSCIP I want. I try my best not to give them a reason to say no. Basically making an offer it is hard for them to refuse. I have a kind of intuition on what the right number would be to offer. This is in the cases where I have no rapport with them from a night drinking in the bar. Similar to a Thai Friendly hook up or an FL from Thermae or an oily or soapie girl.

ET out.

Unfortunately I posted this in the Phuket thread but I need to know this about Bangkok also. I used to be a frequent traveler to Thailand a long time ago at one point of time they had plenty of chicks from East Africa working the stroll I guess my question is do they still have African women working the stroll in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2959956]So, at the risk of being trolled, I an going to repeat myself about Christie's club on Soi 33. Someone on this board must know the answer to this question.

Does anyone have experience with this club? Their online ad says that "Christie's Club in Bangkok is the place to go if you want to spend time with attractive Thai women in relaxed surroundings. ".

Are the girls freelance? Can they be bar fined or can one have sex with them in the club? Or are they mostly regular girls going out for a few drinks and some fun?[/QUOTE]I don't know the club, but I don't understand why you don't simply drop in if you're so curious? Some months ago I stopped by all sex-looking shops on that soi one afternoon. Maybe Christie's too, though I can't remember it as the only place I found anyone I liked was at Princess massage. If it's a hostess kind of place it was probably not yet open.

Anyway, on that soi you would be very unlikely to find any "regular girls going out for a few drinks and some fun".

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2960465]Unfortunately I posted this in the Phuket thread but I need to know this about Bangkok also. I used to be a frequent traveler to Thailand a long time ago at one point of time they had plenty of chicks from East Africa working the stroll I guess my question is do they still have African women working the stroll in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yes. Ugly ones.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2960465]Unfortunately I posted this in the Phuket thread but I need to know this about Bangkok also. I used to be a frequent traveler to Thailand a long time ago at one point of time they had plenty of chicks from East Africa working the stroll I guess my question is do they still have African women working the stroll in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]YES! : CHAI! If you ever return, hope you get to enjoy your chocolate.

[QUOTE=Buffy333;2960115]Thank to you for the support and guidance. I am looking forward to the trip. Are the hotels like.

Ramada / Novotel girls friendly, or should I be looking for something else.[/QUOTE]There are basically two types of "girl friendly" hotels. Those which allow you to bring as many girls and as often as you wish for no charge. (If they are not registered, they may require the girls to leave their ID's at the reception desk.) The other type is "friendly for a fee". Even if you have book a room for two people, unregistered visitors will be required to pay a "joiner" fee. I first ran into that at the Ambassador Hotel in 1976.) A few years ago, I made email inquiry with the Westin and it advised that it had a 500 baht joiner fee. I would suggest emailing a specific hotel as to their policy. It's free to ask. .

Sam.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2960287]I would NEVER support a business that does not pay its girls, this is not what this community is about.[/QUOTE]Agree wholeheartedly. Patronizing establishments that rip-off their employees is only one step removed from the actual rip-off.

I always ask myself if the situation was reversed, how would I like it.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2960287]I would NEVER support a business that does not pay its girls, this is not what this community is about.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this is the way that Thais do business. Everything they do is built on exploitation and abuse and that's why this country is the way it is. I'm not sure about the gogo bar scene but I'm sure there's a similar level of exploitation in other massage parlours where the girls are not their own boss.

Must be a good date for you to spend that much time and money with that FIWFANS girl.

I found a few very nice, very beautiful and personable English-speaking FF girls, good company on the town. They act more like real humans unlike bar girls. One wants 5,000 TB for 5-hour dinner date. Her main concern was to pay 1,500 TB for the room.

You think long dates with FF girls are better than with bar girls?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2960362]Recently I did something I said I would never do. I went to see a Fiw Fans girl for more than ST. This particular girl just had something about her that I wanted. A certain appeal that looked elusive for a westerner. That made me want her even more. The booking went pretty smooth. You can get 1 hour for 1500 Baht, but I chose the 5 hour option for 4900 Baht for unlimited pops. I got the usual questions from the booking agent about dick size, but again, it went pretty smooth.

The hotel is a new and clean 3 star hotel in the area of Changwattana. Meaning the rooms are brand new and the hotel rooms are also modern and clean. She greeted me at the door in the black sexy negligee I requested and we sat down for a quick chat in Thai. She is half Chinese and says she is from Bangkok, but I am thinking more like Laos or Udon Thani. Then off to separate showers.

Now onto the bed where she began a nice slow BBBJ. I was really enjoying this and she kept going. Normally, I don't want to cum like this , but heck, I have 5 hours so who cares. I then let myself fall under her spell and let her finish me. She took it all in her mouth, but then ran to bathroom to spit as expected.

We then chatted more about life and bullshit while I played with her titis to get hard again. Then I went in for some DATY. She tasted good and I wanted to see if I could make her cum. However, like some of these types of girls, they never had this before so they get uncomfortable and complain it tickles. She was wet though so I moved up for some action in mish. I started to put it in bare and she said condom. I said wait a minute. Right next to the bed on the table was the 4900 Baht I had paid her already. I simply went over to grab another 4000 Baht from my bag and put it on the table with the original payment. Then just climbed back on the bed and said ok ? She didn't say a word and just grabbed my cock and put it inside. She was dam tight and it felt amazing. We fucked in mish for about 10 minutes and then she climbed on top and rode me. This time she was able to cum and let me know she did if you know what I mean. Then I flipped her over into doggy and finished that way. What a gorgeous ass.

At this point, I was spent, but I wanted more of that ass. I suggested we order some food, but she asked if we could go out. I said what about your other customers? She said she will cancel. So off we went to central for some MK. It was nice to chill a bit and it gave me some time to recover.

Now back at the room and we showered together this time and back on the bed. Nice slow blow job again and more fucking in all positions. Alas, I could not finish a third time.

We said our goodbyes after a quick shower and I was off. She messages me every once in a while, but I tell her I am busy. This is one three day rule I wont break and that's why I reduced it to the one day rule if you know what I mean. Dangerous for me and too many other conquests.

For my boy Etooms, this is what I do to get the BBFSCIP I want. I try my best not to give them a reason to say no. Basically making an offer it is hard for them to refuse. I have a kind of intuition on what the right number would be to offer. This is in the cases where I have no rapport with them from a night drinking in the bar. Similar to a Thai Friendly hook up or an FL from Thermae or an oily or soapie girl.

ET out.[/QUOTE]

Landed at "Swampy". Deplane, hmmmm, all these escalators I DON'T remember. Follow the signs, down to a train. Ah, new for me, the satellite terminal. Good news is, the train opens in front of immigration. Pay attention to the "routers", not as efficient as the PRC, but still they are working to level the lines. I get routed to the FAR right, past the Thai lanes. Line moves quick; follow the instructions on the sign above: Passport, Boarding Pass, ETA if available. Photo, fingerprints, stamped in - 2 months, on to baggage claim. Perks work, by the time I've found a cart and the correct carousel, my bags are there. Out the door, ride is waiting.

Battle Plan: First stop:

1. ATM.
[INDENT]Find my bank of choice, security guard in the vestibule. YES, I KNOW Bangkok is safe, but, you see, he also acts as a doorman. And YES, I can open my own doors but TIT, I enjoy the service. I appreciate the courtesy, he has a salary; win-win in my book.
[S] [/S]
Full disclosure: That security guard DOES come in handy. Insert my card, waiting for prompt, ATM beeps, ejects card. Am I at the correct ATM, international? Guard motions me to try again, and THIS time, I don't wait for the PIN prompt, I just enter. NOW, TIT, the ATM gives me the language choice. I have a full wallet and the guard can go home and tell about the dumb farang who can't use an ATM. Jet-lag. Thank the guard, and I'm off to:[/INDENT]
[S] [/S]

2. Sky Train (I'm too old to change terms).
[INDENT]Line up to top up my Rabbit card (and to ensure it's still valid). It is, top upped, and I'm half-mobile. Next:[/INDENT]
[S] [/S]

3. MRT.
[INDENT]Given the Rabbit card is still valid, and I know the MRT card still has a large balance, I'll roll the dice and just try in the gate. Gate opens, I'm fully mobile, and it's on to:[/INDENT]
[S] [/S]

4. MTW.
[INDENT]And to the Boo Birds, YES, I DO fly half-way around the world to visit the MTW. Traditions to be kept, and respects to be made. Up the middle stairway, turn left, the white facade, and... it's not the MTW. WTF?!?! Padlocked door. Can it be, after DECADES, has the MTW gone the way of the SOL? Fortuitously, I decide to take the last stairway down, CONTINUE on, and a number of bars later, THERE is the white facade I am expecting. One lady sitting out front. The universe snaps back to [i]correctness[/i]. Open the door, walk in, the older heavyset mamasan who I know and like is there. She recognizes me, says hello, long time, and I pull up a stool to the bar. Check the prices of the refreshments and the [i]refreshments[/i], grab a beer. She says she'll turn on the A/C, I say fan sufficient, but she insists. She starts the GOOD tunes going (my generation), and we have a nice chat while a couple of [i]refreshments[/i] are vying for my attention. A salute to the departed. A dark and cool bar, a cold beer, great sounds, and the A/C is not the only thing that is [i]blowing[/i]... Given the jet-lag, an easy compromise: no rugby scrum but didn't bother to choose between the two, parallel processing. Finished, paid the tab, and on to:[/INDENT]
[S] [/S]

5. Dunkin.
[INDENT]And YES, I do fly half-way around the world for some Dunkin Donuts. Nothing like a cream-filled Bavarian (this is not Germany, shame) along with a spicy Thai omelet for breakfast; makes getting up in the morning worthwhile. Short walk over to the shop. It's buy 6, get 6 free - what a deal. From there, it's on to:[/INDENT]
[S] [/S]

6. Sim card.
[INDENT]Try Terminal 21, but, first glitch, the shop is closed. Memory leads me to Emporium, but given I don't have a sim card, no directions. Not a problem. After a binary search with the help of some friendly Thais, find the DTAC office. Card bought, inserted, and now have full comm. Next stop:[/INDENT]
[S] [/S]

7. Cheers.
[INDENT]Time for some liquid refreshments on the RTB. Walk into the restaurant, sit at the counter, and the waitress, even after a year, remembers me, BIG smile and greeting, knows my order. Like I say, it's "Cheers", don't have to say a word. Re-hydrated, it's on to:[/INDENT]
[S] [/S]

8. Ice Cream.
[INDENT]And now, after a string of successes, it's a crash and burn. &Ampersand is gone, the shop being refurbished for another use. DAMN. Shades of "Melt Me", the chocolate shop.[/INDENT]
[S] [/S]

And as to future [I]business[/I], QED. My two lead-off [I]hitters[/I] I keep in contact with throughout the year, so they're a done deal. Next in the [I]batting[/I] order is [I]somewhere[/I] but says she'll be back in a few days. And sadly, with the [I]clean-up[/I] hitter, comm has been lost; I don't keep in contact with her until I'm in country. Will try at her [I]office[/I] but doesn't surprise me she's moved on.

Bangkok, Same Same but Different.

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[QUOTE=Werqweq;2960476]I don't know the club, but I don't understand why you don't simply drop in if you're so curious? Some months ago I stopped by all sex-looking shops on that soi one afternoon. Maybe Christie's too, though I can't remember it as the only place I found anyone I liked was at Princess massage. If it's a hostess kind of place it was probably not yet open.

Anyway, on that soi you would be very unlikely to find any "regular girls going out for a few drinks and some fun".[/QUOTE]I was in Christie's briefly one evening last year. I am not good at discerning the nuances of the Thai sex scene (which is why I read the ISG). There were men and women, well dressed, standing around having drinks. It all looked fairly innocent and not P4 P so I left.

I ask here because I realize now that if I had invested a few hours of my time, I might have left the club feeling differently. But my time in BKK is limited to 10 days a year. I hate the idea of wasting an evening only to discover that the bar I had chosen was exclusively for social gathering and drinking. Your point about Soi33 (a red light district) being an unlikely hang out for "regular girls" is well taken. If anyone has experience at this club, please share it. If not, I may take one for the team

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2960515]There are basically two types of "girl friendly" hotels. Those which allow you to bring as many girls and as often as you wish for no charge. (If they are not registered, they may require the girls to leave their ID's at the reception desk.) The other type is "friendly for a fee". Even if you have book a room for two people, unregistered visitors will be required to pay a "joiner" fee. I first ran into that at the Ambassador Hotel in 1976.) A few years ago, I made email inquiry with the Westin and it advised that it had a 500 baht joiner fee. I would suggest emailing a specific hotel as to their policy. It's free to ask. ..[/QUOTE]I have stayed many times at the Westin and have never been bothered by anyone as I walked up to the room with a girl. It may be their stated policy but certainly never been enforced every time I stayed there.

On my last trip to Thailand literally decades ago, nuru did not exist there. * Now with many massage places offering soapy, oil and nuru, just wondering from you guys who have experienced all of them, do the girls basically use the same body to body techniques but the only differences are the materials used?* Which do you prefer the most?

I made a visit to Pattaya and Bangkok almost exactly a year ago, but the reports I wrote up ended up trapped on a laptop that had issues. Now that I've retrieved them I figured I would finally post these on the forum. They may be dated, but most of the places are still around and hopefully my experiences can be helpful and / or entertaining.

I was lucky enough to score a work trip for meetings in Bangkok, and took a few days at the start in Pattaya (see my trip report there). After a full Monday in Pattaya I was exhausted by the time I got to Bangkok via Cherry's Taxi, and just went to sleep after checking in at the Ramada by Wyndham off Sukhumvit Soi 11, the old Swiss Inn. I had gone back and forth about keeping this reservation or staying at one of the smaller hotels on the quieter end of Soi 8, but ultimately decided that Ramada's positioning near the BTS and within walking distance of Nana Plaza and Thermae made it the choice (even though in the end I made minimal use of those venues). I had an executive room on the 14th floor, which gave me good room size and a nice city view, not bad for under 70 dollars a night.

The location was perfect, so central to Sukhumvit but not noisy or crowded as a main street, as it stands on an elbow-shaped side Soi that had its own intimate character. The setup was ideal for bringing back guests as on entering one need not go through the lobby, but just follow a small corridor to the elevator bank (only two but fast so not much waiting for those). And on the end of the Soi connecting to Soi 11 there are freelancers of various type standing, something I availed myself of on my last night.

Tuesday I had my work meetings and associated social events, so I only had time that night to check out Thermae. I had not been there in over a decade or more, and could barely remember the scene there. Arriving around 10 PM, the place was packed, and I admit I was a bit overwhelmed by the choice. Lots of cuties and a step up from the looks of the girls I was spotting in Pattaya.

I made several circuits and killed some time comparing notes with a friendly guy from Hong Kong. I made a couple of inquiries and the 3,000 Baht for short time seemed high but appeared to be the going rate. Eventually I figured that I needed to make a move since with more meetings the next day I could not make it too late a night. I approached a very attractive, busty girl in jeans and a loose top, and we struck a deal; I didn't resist the 3 K pricing this time.

Anna spoke fluent English and we chatted on the short walk to the Ramada, but our interaction was kind of stilted. When we got to the room and she joined me in the bed after her shower I was more able to appreciate her killer curvy body and fantastic pendant-like natural boobs. With her lush, wavy dark hair against her light skin, she really impressed. But these kind of looks came with a price: Anna was very professional, in the bad sense: there was no spark or spontaneity to the session. For example, in my haste to finally make a choice I had not negotiated services, and kissing was not one of them. Her attitude was not unfriendly but just far more detached than I had gotten used to from Thai girls. Not the best start to a Bangkok visit, but I had a few more days to play with.

Late afternoon I was released from work duties, and embarked on a mini massage tour. First stop was Cherry off Soi 22, the Bangkok MP stalwart whose on-and-off merger with Snow White and relocation had made Elon's Twitter / X seem like a bastion of stability. (At least they kept their name). When I arrived in the reception a hefty old Brit was carefully selecting from among the lineup and I hoped he would not choose one of the few slender ladies there. Ann was probably late 20's but sexy in a black top and miniskirt, and I opted for an hour at 2,000. With warm smiles she made me feel welcome and relaxed, and she knew how to give a proper massage and the sex I had paid for. I didn't even ask for any of the more hardcore services that Cherry had been known for, but I didn't get the vibe of Cherry as being the no-holds-barred place of its reputation. I did not get to Tulip on this trip, so did not have the anything-goes experience this trip. Coming and going I saw the girls outside Ola Ola next door, but did not have any strong feelings about checking that place out.

It felt like time to finally scratch the itch I had long had for a nuru massage, which I noticed was booming in Bangkok. A walk to the other side of Sukhumvit to a side soi of Soi 31 brought me to Aries, discreetly set back from the street such that I walked past it at first. Reports had characterized this as a premium kind of place, and it indeed had that feel. They even gave me a drink as I waited for the lady I chose from the iPad to be ready. Emmy was that lady, slender but with a properly round ass, and probably in her late 20's or so. She greeted me with a big smile and it never left her face throughout our session.

The room layout (here a very contemporary, almost Scandinavian design style) and some of the logistical steps (washing me and her, hosing down the air mattress, etc.) were familiar to me from soapy massage places. But the nuru experience itself was new, and Emmy knew how to make it spectacular. She slid against me with abandon, and in some positions I didn't imagine, including a scissoring action where I could not believe how she avoided my dick penetrating her pussy (that move felt amazing). For a woman without large breasts (hers were natural), she applied them so well to me, likewise with her ass crack. When it was time to fuck I opted for on the mattress, and as mentioned by others online this took a little getting used to and some effort not to go slip-sliding away onto the floor! Spooning on the mattress was fantastic, but I preferred the views where I could see Emmy's ass cheeks glistening with nuru gel. The room receives major kudos from me for having a mirror applied to the low wall that separated the shower area from the bed, so I had perfect views of Emmy's slick body on top of, under, to the side of, against, and every other which way entwined with mine. In the end I steadied myself by fucking Emmy prone, grinding against her ass (returning the favor for her own grinding), holding on for dear life as I came, shooting my cum without shooting myself across the room. For the remaining third of the hour and a half session Emmy cleaned me off and gave me a superb massage on the bed that we had eschewed for sex.

This session with Emmy was a big contrast from my Thermae experience the night before. Emmy was such a pro, in terms of her massage skills but also at how to make a guy feel good even in a highly regimented situation; she also knew how to respond to my indications of what I liked, such as the positions I chose. This stood out as an outstanding intro to nuru and a top experience of the trip.

Soi 22 was an area I had never tried before, so I crossed over Sukhumnit again to try one of the Honey Bee / Kiss / Bangkok Passion group of massage places. The subsoil where they were located (the second after the Marriot Marquis Hotel), and Soi 22 itself, were packed with options, but at Honey Bee I spotted the cutest girl in the world, and had to choose this teenie-tiny thing. She had a name as adorable as she was, Miaow, and we went into the shop to arrange things. I can't remember if it was me or the mamasan who suggested it, but a two-girl package was negotiated (4,000 Baht), and the partner proposed to me was Glace, a mid- to late-20's lady named Glace, apparently chosen to guide Miaow through her first two-lady session.

The pair led me to an upstairs room with a big hot tub, and left to get ready. When they returned and the tub was sufficiently filled, I was guided into the bubbly hot water, where I received a very pleasurable cleaning; it's remarkable how well a Thai woman's ass crack and cleavage work for scrubbing a cock. It was clear (even despite my incomprehension of Thai) that Glace was providing a tutorial for Miaow as they alternated duties, Glace showing and telling and Miaow effectively applying her newly-acquired knowledge. Glace's attitude was no-nonsense verging on stern, and in contrast to the smiley Miaow she hardly cracked a grin. But as she stroked my cock and titfucked me in the tub we locked eyes with great intensity that elevated the session beyond the clinical. After a rinse and dry I was on the bed as the lesson continued, Miaow following Glace's lead in applying her lips for a sweet blowjob. Both rode me nicely, and with the gracious extension of time to permit me the chance to finish I had the pleasure of cumming while Miaow bounced her kitty on my cock in cowgirl, once of the cutest views I've enjoyed. The student had learned well from the master.

On Thursday I had been out all day on an organized tour, pulling into Bangkok near 10 PM, so my time was limited to hit a Nuru massage place to relax. My choice for the night was Kokoro on one of the Soi 23 side-sois, several minutes-walk from Soi Cowboy. My concern about the girls available at that late hour posed no problem as Julia was available, sexy slender caramel-haired, something I like in Thai girls. Her English was quite good and so it was easy to communicate. I paid the friendly lady at the desk 4400 Baht for an hour session, while staring over at the shop's enormous pet cat.

The room was as well-appointed as at Aries (with a little fountain and fake grass on the wall, though no wall mirrors, point deducted there), with one notable addition: the transparent acrylic stool with a slot in the seat that allowed Julia free access to caress, massage, and clean my asshole as I sat for the soapy wash. Sitting offered a new position for her pert breasts and taut ass to rub over my body. There was more of that when we transitioned to the mattress for nuru fun, where she proved well-trained. A twist was the outfit she then put on, as I had paid 600 more for the cosplay option. I had sked her to choose a schoolgirl outfit from the rack as we came upstairs, but in t the room it turned out to be a sexy police uniform (I tried to introduce a little role playing, but I stopped talking when she got confused when I told her that she was a naughty schoolgirl for working in a massage parlor). I was surprised that she put the costume on during the nuru massage and not after, but it was a thrill to fuck her on the mattress as the skimpy costume got soaked with nuru gel; what cloth there was in the outfit did give me a better grip on Julia whenever my pumping veered into slip-sliding away.

From Kokoro I made my way back via a stroll through the Soi Cowboy madness to Sukhumvit, and decided to check in on a LB bar I had heard good things about, off Soi 10 near Lollipop blowjob bar (which had some decent, non-vintage ladies sitting in view, to my surprise). The scene at the place I went was pretty wild, with lots of groping from the waitresses (in schoolgirl outfits), staggering drunk customers (one nearly took a nasty fall) and even a near catfight (Real? Fake? Who knows). More important were the beautiful creatures available for company, more tall and lovely than I had anticipated, and not afraid to flash a pair of tits or a thong. I took two, Rainy and Laura, to one of the rooms upstairs (600 for the room, 600 x 2 for barfine, and 2000 each for company). After some nice shared BJ's, there was some pounding backdoor action on the menu.

Walking back to my hotel after closing time sometime after 2 AM, an African lady caught my attention near the Nana BTS overpass stairs. Reina had an attractive smile and slender body, so this Kenyan lady and I struck a 2 K deal for some short-time fun (I added 500 as tip later). With all the Thai ladies around I had not expected to go the African route, but I figured that I was sampling new and diverse selections this trip, so why not. Up at my room at the Ramada the scene was a sexy one as I stood behind Reina at the floor length window overlooking the lights of Bangkok, slipped her slinky green dress down while caressing her breasts and kissing her neck. Onto the bed we shared a hot 69, and some intimate fucking, as I held Reina tight in missionary and flat doggy. I don't know how I had any energy at all, after an extremely long day, and that and some previous shots took their toll, but it was a lovely encounter anyway, with a sweet and classy lady.

There were plenty of pockets of Sukhumvit I planned to explore on my last day in Bangkok, and with a 6 AM departure to the airport Saturday morning I had a good 20 hours available to me when I woke up mid-morning Friday. My plan was to walk up and down Sukhumvit on a walking tour of massage places new to me.

At Kokoro the night before I learned that Wow massage on Soi 23 was run by the same management, which was a good endorsement. I had my eyes on Wow due to their theme rooms, and when I arrived around noon Friday I was pleased that the Muay Thai boxing ring room was available. So was Mona, a tight-bodied petite girl with silicon tits. Inside the room, which though a bit cramped was one of the most fun and unusual I ever mongered in, Mona executed well the soapy wash / body rub / asshole cleaning (using the same clear plastic stools as Kokoro). Her nuru massage was also performed with skill, and she fucked me on the mat. But that was a disappointment, since I figured she would use the fact that we were in this venue to inject some levity and interactivity.

Instead, she stayed on typical nuru massage script, and of course it was also on me for this missed opportunity as I did not propose fucking on the bed around which the boxing ring was built, or ask her to wear the boxing trunks hung on the ropes. I had visions of having her bent over against the ropes, but I think I was just conditioned to be passive in the nuru massage setting and so did not suggest it. Which kind of defeated the purpose of getting this room, although to be fair it did have a hot tub and Mona did take care of me well there with strategic rubbing and a blowjob. Still, the session lacked the spark I had in these settings before, and was while the shop is correctly-named, the session was no Wow.

The Soi 23 area is so convenient, not just for massage options but also food, and I took advantage with a pub lunch and cider at Scruffy McMurphy's exotic fare from where I am based. Handy in the aforementioned category was Aya Massage, which the night before required a wait, hence my visit to Kokoro. At about 3 in the afternoon, though, they had plenty of availability, with one of the largest lineups of girls available. A good 20 or 25 must have lined up for me, a nice-looking, young selection in slinky black dresses. As eye pleasing as the ladies was the thecor. Apart from some German FKKs, Aya was possibly the most beautifully decorated place of this kind I have visited, with a Moroccan style that would be the envy of a high-end spa.

Impressed as I was, I was happier with my selection, a tall, slender girl with a nubile look whose name unfortunately escapes me. On my flight home I watched the movie "Crazy, Stupid Love" that featured actress and model Analeigh Tipton, and I realized that the girl I chose at Aya was her Thai twin, or close to it. My girl's key quality was her never-ending smile (with dimpled cheeks! And basically what made me choose her out of the large crowd. When a smiler rises above the crowd in the Land of Smiles, you got to take her. And her lighthearted attitude persisted throughout our encounter, making her lack of English a non-issue. More important our sexual compatibility took over soon after we got to the room, with her very responsive to my licking her pussy. Her lithe body maneuvered easily into positions pleasurable for both, like leaning backward Asian cowgirl, and we finished the hour each of us bathed in perspiration as if we had been inside a Moroccan bathhouse.

My itinerary next moved from a newish venue like Aya to a classic, Doki Doki on Soi 31. I had passed it the other night on my way to Aries, but I felt like this nuru massage stalwart should not be missed. I worried that at 5 pm on a Friday night they would be fully booked, but there was a room available and a handful of ladies. The lineup of 5 was a fraction of at Aya, and but a fraction of the attractiveness. If not for the one girl I chose being there, I would have probably walked out. But all it takes is one, and the one I chose (I forgot her name too) also wore her smile (if nothing else) for the course of our hour together.

The room also contrasted with Aya as well as the other nuru places, being clean but fairly spartan. My lady kept me warm with her smile throughout, and when on the nuru mattress constantly pouring warm water over me; it felt so comforting, and with the lights turned down almost completely it felt like being in the womb. Back to that region of a woman's anatomy, I again had the slippery experience of fucking on the nuru-covered air mattress; watching my glistening nuru coated cock slide in and out of her mouth was a thrill, and flat doggy is always a good way to finish on this adult slip-and-slide. She was following a program, but it felt more like the experience at Aries two days earlier, everything done with a bright enthusiasm.

Soi 31 has the flavor of a Little Japan, and I noticed the same thing as I walked over to Soi 33. Another things I noticed was the elephant tusk portal behind the gates of derelict Livingstone's Lodge, and I remembered that I had stayed there a decade ago on my first mongering trip to Bangkok. A number of massage places I had read about were clustered on this soi: Auora (not to be confused with the one near Kokoro), Class 666 (the ladies on the porch out front did not entice me), and Dozo nuru massage. But my target was Hunny Bunny, which I visited after a nice dinner at Gedhawa Thai restaurant nearby.

A lot of the attraction to Hunny Bunny was its fun, cheeky website. I figured if they were that creative they would give attention to all aspects of the business and at being distinctive (the waiting room where the girls lined up felt like an English men's club). The lineup did appear curated, with something for everyone, with variety of body sizes and shapes, MIILFs and a teenie (predictably named Lolita and wearing a schoolgirl costume I would have picked her but she seemed terrified of me). There was even a dominatrix with whip in hand (and a smile on her face, so she was not scary). I chose a slender lady with hair in bangs, as much for a slight resemblance to an old flame than anything else. Having paid for an hour session, Min led me upstairs to a small room with a bed that was a mattress on a built-in platform; you could see that they had added some thecor but the room seemed to be a holdover from some previous, more modest massage parlor. No matter, the best part was that after the shower I was spared any sort of actual massage! Standing beside the bed where Min sat after our shower together, I planted my lips on hers and she responded with wet, warm open mouth and beckoning tongue. I laid her back and she likewise responded with wetness and writing to my tongue on her clit. With her slender frame Min was ideal to position lying on her back to fuck me, and the advantage of the room was a wall mirror, making spooning a sex positon that offered a wonderful view of her body. But she was no starfish, her energy in riding me and in doggy was admirable and ensured that we emerged after cumming a sweaty mess. I don't think we spoke ten words to each other in the entire session, but I think that is proof that actions sometimes speak louder than words.

After Hunny Bunny I continued my walk through the rising Sukhumvit odd soi numbers. The next place I sought out was a venue reported as a new addition to the Bangkok massage parlor scene, Bkk Vice. I sought it out, and sought it out, and sought it out because it was so hard to find. The initial map I used was not accurate, and it did appear on Google Maps, but I couldn't find any place that resembled a massage parlor or had a sign with BKK Vice's splashy branding. It turns out that the problem was that Bkk Vice neither looked like a massage place nor did it have a sign at all!

After two passes I finally connected the address with a place, next to two legit looking massage shops, with fake foliage covering its outside wall. It looked more like a vegan restaurant than a brothel. A tip, it's on the block of Soi 39 closer to Sukhumvit than Philippe French restaurant. I can understand the secrecy, this looks like a street going upscale with premium hotels, condos, and fancy restaurants.

And as with their website marketing, they do appear to be trying something different from a typical massage place, in style at least. When I made it in the reception room had a sleek, modern feel with manggaa style paintings. I was greeted by a kind of hipster young woman who led me to the couch across from where 4 or 5 ladies in slinky dresses were sitting, and explained everything in perfect English (and she had American accent). I ultimately did not choose any of the ladies; they looked fine, and were in their 20's, but nothing stood out about them. In retrospect I wonder if I was just bitter at BKK Vice for being so hard to find. With it being around 9 PM I worried about getting some time over at Sois 26 and 24 where I still wanted to visit, so I headed out. It turned out that BKK Vice was a turning point, where my wanderings began to go off course.

After I crossed Sukhumvit to the even numbered sois, it became a matter of the grass not being any greener on the other side. On a quest like the knight from the Spanish epic, I made for Don Quixote Massage on Soi 26 based on based on good reviews of the lineup. High quality customer service was on hand upon entering, an attractive mamasan sitting with me on a couch to show me who was available on an iPad. I should have known that a picture is not worth a seeing a lady in the flesh. The problem was that my brain got so muddled looking at pic after pic of girls with the mamasan advising "young cute, popular," that I got fixated on trying to piece together another threesome, based on some calculus I didn't then and don't now understand. A few minutes later when the summoned pair was standing by the base of the stairs waiting for me, I realized my mistake, as they were not "young, cute," but instead older and not very cute at all, with one in particular I could tell she had facial cosmetic surgery making her unnatural looking.

That said, the two, Emma and Ivy, were busty and service-oriented. The latter had its drawback in that the two-girl service involved the hot tub bathing service which frankly was getting a little old to me at this point. But it did permit some pretty good rubbing of ample tits on my sudsy dick. The ladies were talkative with good English, good-humored, and rather energetic on the bed. They were good about me positioning them to my liking (one face sitting with one riding me is a favorite). And a wall mirror gave good views. But it was disappointing to miss out on "young, cute" girls and to have taken such a big chunk of time out of the evening as my hours in Bangkok ticked down. And I began to feel like I was tilting at windmills, with my quixotic quest to do a walking tour of all the massage areas of Sukhumvit.

Next on my quest was the nearby Soi 26 side soi ghetto where some famous massage places like Snow White were located. Snow White itself did not have appealing ladies outside, and this being a Friday night a number of the places did not have anyone outside the shop as they were presumably busy inside. Angels 26 had good reviews online so that was my target, but when I entered it was ghost town, with only two girls in the ladies area, and the better looking one was just going with a client. My timing was clearly bad, with guys apparently out in force as the weekend began, and going for one last fuck before closing time at the massage parlors.

I walked out, but almost immediately panicked about missing out on one last massage parlor experience, and so returned to take that last girl at Angels. She again smiled at me, but petite and slightly chubby Olive was on the cute / homely border line and picking her was mostly an act of desperation. Desperation for what? It was irrational. Up in the room I had no interest in another shower and massage, but just went along with the program. And it was a program: although Olive was personable (she spoke decent English) and gave a good effort, this wasn't a passionate session (no kissing, for example).

So my massage parlor walking tour ended with a whimper. To make it worse, after I exited Angels and walked down the soi to Sukhumvit, a super cute, young girl outside the last MP on the block invited me in. But by then I was drained and honestly all massaged out, and on my way to check out Nana Plaza. (passing on this cutie was a mistake, a chance at redemption especially as my last two experiences of the night were not great). It was a good day, but the downturn at the end did color things. And in retrospect, it has annoyed me a bit that with all the massage places I tried, I managed to miss out on other novel experiences (like a milking table massage at a place like Analisa), or a Bangkok big soapy or a classic like Tulip, or a related venue like a BJ bar. But I can't really complain, I lost my nuru virginity and had some excellent sessions with great girls I just don't need any more of that gel for a while.

After nearly five days in Bangkok I had not yet gotten over to Nana Plaza, even though I had planned my lodging partly to be within striking distance of its agogos. The night before Kenyan Reina steered me away from the agogos, but tonight I was determined to get there. Billboard was the first stop, where I liked the high level talent on display (including some nude shower dancers) and the energy, but it was too crowded with customers for me to get to know any of the girls. That led me to float over to its sister club Butterflies, where I was able to get a much better seat to view the stages and tub area. Plus a convenient spot next to me where I could get to know one of the dancers better.

Jenny was who I asked a waitress to call over for me, who had been giving me cheeky looks from the stage. Smiley and touchy-feely, she was worth the lady drink and so I decided to take this 25-year old back to my hotel. After an extortionately priced and bumpy tuk tuk ride back, the experience in the room was not much better. Jenny had the body (great ass, squeezable boobs), but her spirit was not so willing: the sex was bland and quick. Not worth the before,700.

I didn't want to let the trip end on a low note, but I also didn't have the energy to go very far this late in the night. Every night I had noticed the freelancers floating around the end of the subsoi in front of my hotel where it met Sukhumvit 11, so that seemed like a handy option. I pulled on some clothes and made the 2-minute trek from my room to the corner, and soon met Jane, a tall native of the Philippines whose tight but classy floral dress was very figure flattering. We struck a deal (B2,500) and headed up to my room, where we conversed a bit but soon were making out since Jane had soft lips just made for kissing. And sucking too, as I learned. That floral dress was soon pulled up for me to slide inside. My body was taxed by this point in the night, so the festivities did not last very long, but it made for a good way to wrap up a rewarding trip.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2960864]On my last trip to Thailand literally decades ago, nuru did not exist there. * Now with many massage places offering soapy, oil and nuru, just wondering from you guys who have experienced all of them, do the girls basically use the same body to body techniques but the only differences are the materials used?* Which do you prefer the most?[/QUOTE]To answer your first question, there is a big difference between the body to body techniques of the different types of massage, not just with the materials used.

For me, there is no contest, without doubt I prefer a proper Nuru massage. However, that only applies if the masseuse is well trained, and the session takes place is a dedicated Nuru massage shop. In recent times, since Nuru has become popular, many regular massage shops have added Nuru massage to their menu; these sessions can be almost guaranteed to be subpar as the masseuse will probably not be properly trained and the facilities not be up to standard. To experience a proper Nuru massage you need to go to one of the shops that specialize in nothing else; Soap / Mitu or Aries for example.

As for a soapy massage, I assume you are referring to the large complexes in the Ratchada area. In the good old days these did provide a good experience; the session comprised of a thorough full body wash in the bath followed by a slippy, slidy B2 B massage covered in soap suds on an inflatable mat (as are used in Nuru massages today), before moving on to the bed. However, from what I gather, these days the fun on the mat is no longer part of the session, so it's straight from the bath to the bed, which means a large part of the fun is no longer provided. This is sad. The soapys used to be patronized mainly by Thai guys, often in groups after work out for an evening's fun, but these days they have become far too expensive and cater mainly to Chinese tourists.

For oil massage, the masseuse may well use some oil and give a massage, but that is really no more than an afterthought for before or after the main event. Of course there are many good oily massage shops where a good time can be had, but for me it doesn't compare to a proper Nuru massage. As always YMMV.

Many years ago when I used to frequent Thailand, my favourite destination was Tulip. They had a lady called June. Wonder is she is still there. Another legend was Golf.

Just wondering how the current lineup is. I like thick girls with big asses, not into spinners.

Who would you recommend?

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2961061]To answer your first question, there is a big difference between the body to body techniques of the different types of massage, not just with the materials used.

For me, there is no contest, without doubt I prefer a proper Nuru massage. However, that only applies if the masseuse is well trained, and the session takes place is a dedicated Nuru massage shop. In recent times, since Nuru has become popular, many regular massage shops have added Nuru massage to their menu; these sessions can be almost guaranteed to be subpar as the masseuse will probably not be properly trained and the facilities not be up to standard. To experience a proper Nuru massage you need to go to one of the shops that specialize in nothing else; Soap / Mitu or Aries for example.

As for a soapy massage, I assume you are referring to the large complexes in the Ratchada area. In the good old days these did provide a good experience; the session comprised of a thorough full body wash in the bath followed by a slippy, slidy B2 B massage covered in soap suds on an inflatable mat (as are used in Nuru massages today), before moving on to the bed. However, from what I gather, these days the fun on the mat is no longer part of the session, so it's straight from the bath to the bed, which means a large part of the fun is no longer provided. This is sad. The soapys used to be patronized mainly by Thai guys, often in groups after work out for an evening's fun, but these days they have become far too expensive and cater mainly to Chinese tourists.

For oil massage, the masseuse may well use some oil and give a massage, but that is really no more than an afterthought for before or after the main event. Of course there are many good oily massage shops where a good time can be had, but for me it doesn't compare to a proper Nuru massage. As always YMMV.[/QUOTE]Very good report, thanks for writing. I've only done soapy massage a few times and have never experienced the air mattress at any of them. I guess I'm too new for that.

From my perspective, the different equipment involved makes it impossible for the girls to use the same techniques. Oily places basically have a massage table and oil; there really isn't much other than a massage and sex. Soapy massage has bathtub and bed, so body to body slide isn't easy. Nuru has air mattress, slime, and lots of water (plus a bed). The Nuru massage is the only kind of place that offers a true slip-and-slide. Years ago many USA-Korean massage shops would have table showers and the girl sometimes would get naked, soap up, and slide on top of the customer; that is the closest sensation to Nuru that I've experienced.

A couple days ago I noticed that Snow White had an air mattress in the room, but it wasn't used. I cannot imagine doing nuru in that room, it simply didn't have the water supply and drains necessary for nuru and subsequent cleaning of the slimy mattress.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2960781]Landed at "Swampy" * * * Find my bank of choice, security guard in the vestibule * * * Sky Train * * * MRT * * * YES, I DO fly half-way around the world to visit the MTW * * * Dunkin * * * Sim card * * * Time for some liquid refreshments on the RTB * * * Ice Cream * * * Crash and burn * * * Bangkok, Same Same but Different.[/QUOTE]It's always a treat to watch a master at the top of his game. Looking forward to future reports from Mr. Bravo.

Bunky

[QUOTE=SunnyBoyPerth;2961105]Many years ago when I used to frequent Thailand, my favourite destination was Tulip. They had a lady called June. Wonder is she is still there. Another legend was Golf.

Just wondering how the current lineup is. I like thick girls with big asses, not into spinners.

Who would you recommend?[/QUOTE]Both still there.

Had an acquaintance come in for a short trip. His first time to BKK. Never experienced a soapy. Took him to one in DD / HK area. Prices were from 3-8 K. I've been to plenty during my travels. So needed something new rather than the stare at the girls on the sitting stages while trying to figure out which number to select. We ended up calling 5 girls each to come down. Inflated 10 red balloons we brought. Handed one to each girl. Did closer examinations and have them spin to see it all. Pop! Pop! Pop! Then with a safety pin, started popping balloons one by one until each of us had only one left. Gave the other 8, high fives and 10 baht each for participating. Tipped the papasan 100 each for letting do our thing in front of the 70 so girls and other customers. Cha ching! New experience complete.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2961111]Very good report, thanks for writing. I've only done soapy massage a few times and have never experienced the air mattress at any of them. I guess I'm too new for that.

From my perspective, the different equipment involved makes it impossible for the girls to use the same techniques. Oily places basically have a massage table and oil; there really isn't much other than a massage and sex. Soapy massage has bathtub and bed, so body to body slide isn't easy. Nuru has air mattress, slime, and lots of water (plus a bed). The Nuru massage is the only kind of place that offers a true slip-and-slide. Years ago many USA-Korean massage shops would have table showers and the girl sometimes would get naked, soap up, and slide on top of the customer; that is the closest sensation to Nuru that I've experienced.

A couple days ago I noticed that Snow White had an air mattress in the room, but it wasn't used. I cannot imagine doing nuru in that room, it simply didn't have the water supply and drains necessary for nuru and subsequent cleaning of the slimy mattress.[/QUOTE]Annies (ex Dr Nuru, ex Wood or Smoke as I can never remember which) has a wet area mattress and a dry area bed in each of the VIP rooms.

They will do either soapy slides or nuru gel slides and blowjob fun on the mattress based on what you pick.

Personally I prefer the nuru as the girl gets my cock in her mouth, and my fingers and tongue in her pussy then, something you can't do with a soapy, oh that taste of soap.

Then from there it's off to the bed for continued fun until conclusion.

The only issue is that it can become a bit disjointed during transition, so I always try to get agreement to a second shot so I can let go during the nuru.

Then I have a natural recovery period whilst she cleans up and we transition.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2961179]It's always a treat to watch a master at the top of his game. Looking forward to future reports from Mr. Bravo.

Bunky[/QUOTE]Thanks for the shout-out, but don't expect too much.

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[INDENT]1. Age is setting in. While I can still hump (double entendre), seems that the BKK streets are getting stretched more and more each visit. Just today, suffering from the dreaded [I]depletus fundus[/I], needed an [I]infusion[/I]. Walked down to my fav ATM, weekend, unguarded, but I took my chances (only fools and [I]dehydrated[/I] farangs out at midday). Vestibule door already open, good thing, given the heat and the humidity. Like last year, still the rainy season mid-Nov. How hot was it? Well, after inserting card and entering PIN, went through all the menus, and as I was ready to receive the [I]infusion[/I], the card was ejected with an "Incomplete Data" message. WTF? Wiped the chip with my thumb and retried, this time successful. So hot enough that even the ATM was struggling... On the RTB, stopped in at "Cheers", and with the good A/C and my wet shirt, damn near froze to death while re-hydrating.

2. While others might be looking for the next SWT, myself. I certainly intend to walk point while I'm here, but, for right now, more than happy to visit previous [I]trails[/I]. After the traditional MTW visit, the next visit was with my long time regular Miss Beautiful Smile. I keep in contact throughout the year, so arranging an assignation was easy. As usual, I'm greeted with a DFK and an attempted hug, with me, as usual, pushing her away. It is a long walk off the beaten track and, as usual, my shirt is drenched. How drenched? As I'm taking a shower, she's hanging it up outside to dry in the heat. And out of the arrival shower, she has my favorite drink ready and waiting, and no double entrendre here. My final visit of the week was with the well known Ying. She kind enough to come in on her day off for an assignation. Given the holiday, I was only thinking an hour, but she TOLD me, "Not enough, 90 minutes better. " Wise woman. And talented. How [I]talented[/I]? If she can get 2 shots out of this ole 11B in 90 minutes, that IS talent.[/INDENT]
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For Newbies:

Before you get here, load the Line app on your mobile. Everyone uses, and it's very convenient for communications. Long gone are the dark ages, no MRT, no BTS, no mobile phones so finding her again meant having to go to her [I]office[/I] to see if she was there. Now, get her Line contact, and it's easy, whether a day, a week, a month, a year, even longer (personal experience). Likewise, if either of you are running late, or if she is [I]restricted duty[/I], one can let the other know (again, personal experience). Don't leave home without it.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2961111]Very good report, thanks for writing. I've only done soapy massage a few times and have never experienced the air mattress at any of them. I guess I'm too new for that.[/QUOTE]LONG gone, RIP Annies, Raja hotel, had the triple: large metal tub with the human [I]washing machine[/I], air mattress for the [I]slip n slide[/I], and the bed for the [I]sleeping[/I]. Never been to the replacement on Soi 7, but from what I've heard, only the name is the same.

[B]Ibn Buttita[/B], some well-written FR's, even if a year old. Good reading and still some good intel. Thanks for taking the time to resurrect and post.

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2961061] To experience a proper Nuru massage you need to go to one of the shops that specialize in nothing else; Soap / Mitu or Aries for example.[/QUOTE]Having been to BKK now 4 times and not experienced nuru it's on my list for March trip. My question. Does the experience include BBFS whilst sliding and gliding? I know BKK is the bastion of capitalism and money is king. But is it up to the girl or just out of the question in the massage places?

Anyone have any other recommendations for nuru places?

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2961337]Having been to BKK now 4 times and not experienced nuru it's on my list for March trip. My question. Does the experience include BBFS whilst sliding and gliding? I know BKK is the bastion of capitalism and money is king. But is it up to the girl or just out of the question in the massage places?

Anyone have any other recommendations for nuru places?[/QUOTE]BBFS isn't included in a standard Nuru massage. In the Bangkok massage except Tulip and Annie's thread there is some discussion on which shops have BBFS on offer up front. These shops generally aren't the Nuru shops but offer a Nuru course.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2961337]Having been to BKK now 4 times and not experienced nuru it's on my list for March trip. My question. Does the experience include BBFS whilst sliding and gliding? I know BKK is the bastion of capitalism and money is king. But is it up to the girl or just out of the question in the massage places?

Anyone have any other recommendations for nuru places?[/QUOTE]A Nuru massage always includes a BBBJ whilst on the mat, but not BBFS. The sex itself, whether on the mat or on the bed, is covered. Of course you can always try negotiating for BBFS with the girl, but from my experience, unless she knows you well, your chances are slim to non existent.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2961337]Having been to BKK now 4 times and not experienced nuru it's on my list for March trip. My question. Does the experience include BBFS whilst sliding and gliding? I know BKK is the bastion of capitalism and money is king. But is it up to the girl or just out of the question in the massage places?

Anyone have any other recommendations for nuru places?[/QUOTE]4 times in Bangkok and you didn't do nuru? Dude, you got to try it. At least once. It's okay just for the experience, but with you and the chick sliding around, getting a grip on her to fuck is always a challenge. I don't actually prefer it. But that being said, I don't think BBFS is standard under any circumstances in Thailand unless you know the chick, discuss beforehand, or it's a place like tulip where chicks can be known to do that from the jump. Some will do it, just bring it up with her and pay a bit extra. There's more places and chicks that will do that than people realize. It's just more cash is all.

Princess Massage in Phrom Phong will go BBFS, and I think that joint has 3 other sister shops where the chicks go back and forth. Most of them are amenable to bareback for more cash.

At my age, I'm really thinking about bareback. What have I got to lose? I'm so old already. By Beelzebub's balls I wish life would kill me already. There's nothing but anxiety and pain for me these days.

Hi all.

International traveller here. Sampled a few locations. Back in Bangkok last few days and thought I'the share as I've read reviews that have helped me in the past.

Four locations tried.

1). Cube Massage. - shown iPad of selection for a lunch time snack. Picked lady and image was close to the real thing. Went for standard shower and 40 minutes. 2600 Baht.

Experience was low. No Thai smile. Perfunctory. Need a release so stayed otherwise might have left. I told mamasan that not the best. Lady would not even rub back and head at end with 15 minutes left. Would I recommend? Nice deco and reception, but I don't go for the front office. 3/10 overall experience and glad I didn't pay for more.

2). Thermae Cafe. - went around 10 pm. It was heavy with both girls and clients. Got drink. Went around spoke to a few. I don't mess about and I explain exactly what I want so no misunderstanding. Massage. BBBJ, FS, CIM followed by massage. Silly prices quoted or no CIM. Decided not to waste time or money, so left to Nana.

3). Lollipop. - decent selection however one caught my eye. She looked Japanese. Got lady drink and enjoyed time. Her English was superb. Her name is Pim. Told her what I was looking for and she very clear explained back how and what she would do. Was exactly what I was looking for. Quote was 4000. I said no. Maximum 3000. She agreed. So 3000 for her, 1000 bar fine and 300 short time room nearby. Must say well worth money. Full GFE. Eye contact throughout. Playful but did as told. Not only CIM, but played with cum all across mouth and face. WOW!

Looks - 8/10.

Body- 8/10.

Service - 10/10.

WIR. Hell yea. Would keep her info just to me. Only reason I'm sharing is now leaving Bangkok.

4). Candy Massage. - tried a random one for fun. Sel croon of girls is mixed but chose young looking girl called Kim. Cost 2600 for 40 minutes.

Showed together. Playful. Good English. Nice massage and was attentive with GFE. Did as many positions as I wanted and offered CIM.

Looks - 7/10.

Body -7/10. Nice tattoos.

Service - 9/10.

WIR. - for her yes. Very good value for money.

Hope helpful to newbies and veterans.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2956366]There area few massage shops there, but the bars are mostly full of backpackers and young university girls. If you want to monger there, you better have your A game on. For pure mongering in Bangkok where you will be assured of good results, stick to the following:

1. Nana Plaza.

2. Nana Soi 4 beer bars.

3. Soi 7 Beer bars.

4. Soi 7/1 Massage.

5. Soi 8 BJ bars.

6. Soi 11 Clubs for freelancers.

7. Soi Cowboy.

8. Soi 23 massage shops.

9. Soi 22 massages and beer bars.

10. Soi 31,31 massage shops.

12. Soi 24 massage shops.

13. Soi 24/1 massage shops.

14. Ratchada and Rama 9 massage shops.

15. Tinder, Thai Friendly, and We chat people nearby.

16. High end gents clubs like the Pimp. Expensive and you also need your A game.

17. Saphan Kwai, such as T-Ded 99, but you really need to speak some Thai otherwise it can be hit and miss.

18. Patpong go go bars

19. RCA massage complex

20. Mixx Club for freelancers

21. Thermae Cafe

If you want to try your A game at Khaosan Rd, you might also want to consider RCA in the Rama 9 area as well.

However, If you stick to the core areas such as the Sukhunvit area, that will ensure your success and a great time.

By the way, did you see my reply to you about threesomes and making a day trip to Pattaya? You won't regret it if you take the day to visit a gents club in Pattaya. You will have an amazing threesome in one of the many gents clubs there for sure. These are not the same as the gents clubs in Bangkok, so don't get confused.[/QUOTE]I will be heading to BKK and Pattaya mid December for 14 days. . I have not visited SOI 7, but will on this trip. Thanks for the list.

I'm surprised that all of your very well written reports have had such little acknowledgement so far, so I wanted to say thanks for your time and effort, even though they were a year old.

I've been around these forums for a long time, and your writing is at the top end of quality reports I've ever seen.

Hi All.

Regular reader, long time lurker, but hadn't logged in for a while and now I've lost my username! Started with RN.

Anyway created a new one!

Not new to the game and recently came back from a 8 night /9 day stay in BKK.

So summary and thoughts.

Context.

Been to BKK 3 times before over the past 10 years, 2 wice with Business and Once with 2 other friends.

Each time it's changed a lot, both in terms of cost but also quality. Each time you just need to have some commonsense and wits about you and respect the moving nature of how things happen. Like every nation, things move, people's quality of life and cost of life increases and so there's always challenges that this brings.

This time I decided to go alone!

I'm British Indian, do well for myself, worked hard, and so am lucky enough not to worry about money per se. I've worked hard, so I like the play hard and like the finer things here and there.

So I flew in via FinnAir Business Class brilliant flight and even slept so I wouldn't be tired at the other end. First time using Finnair and will definitely be using them again!

So prep and arrival wise.

Got e-Sim unlimited and activated it before I left London.

Had 5 k Bhat for contingency.

Signed up for TF at Heathrow and let that kick off.

Made my way to flight (indirect) and then 15 odd hours later landed in Bangkok (BKK).

Got a Bolt from BKK to Hotel (Sofitel).

As I had part slept on plane. I didn't have the usual tiredness and so just checked in, had a shower and chilled for a few hours and got acquainted with Hotel staff in reception and doorman.

Outside the hotel is a Currency Exchange so changed up 50 k bhat and returned to Hotel to put cash away and usual security protocols I generally follow. If you know, you know.

I won't do a day by day breakdown but rather a summary of what I did and thoughts.

The Game (why we go here!

So I'm a guy that can go anywhere alone or with people. I don't need people with me to have a laugh and enjoy myself and so doing this alone was fun (in my head and in reality).

Black Cavier: Wanted to try this place after a referral from someone I know. It's not hit or miss if you have a standard you don't want to go below AND have the moolah to spend. It IS more cash than I suspect any other place, but on the 3 days I went I saw the largest number of 8's to 10's then anywhere else. Total spend on the 3 visits was 24 k Baht and total time with girls was 90 minutes each. All was open for neg \ allowed with the girls in the room and I didn't have any bad experiences, some were more open then others, but by large all three subs. But there were some true stunners here. Make sure you discuss your needs \ perversions before though if you can! 😊.

TF: Kicked this off before I left London, and so on the first day I logged in and have to say there's a lot of women!! Its like a friggin meat market! So you MUST invest time and energy and know how to engage and interact to get to the point quickly. Expect a 25% no-show rate if you spray and pray meets. Over the course of my stay I saw 4 woman and each I saw twice. Not a dull moment or an issue and on average inc tip I paid 2500 Baht. Keep to the 3 day rule and run / rule with your mind not your cock.

Thermae: Wow this has changed! From 8 to 11 between Wed and Sat is probably the best times. But you got to have the mindset of a Sniper. Go in with a clear requirement, budget and timing. You aren't there to sit, drink and stare! You are there to drink, pick and go! Be confident, be clear but firm and you'll do well! I went for the 8's and above and saw 5 women over the course of my stay. Average cost inc tip was 4 k Baht. All were back to hotel and average stay was 2 hours. All 5 were open to LT but tbh there's too much fun to be had to have LT's in BKK. 3 of the 5 started to get a little too friendly and wanted to meet daily and I suspect used their playbook to try and delude and extract cash using the petty stories of "my mother is sick etc" (a guess rather than facts) but all were good in bed! No limits and no bullshit.

Massage Parlours: Had a massage every morning \ early afternoon between the neighbouring SOI's. Ranged from 60 minutes to 90 minutes and he or not depending on how I was feeling. I probably saw a fair number of 7's and 8's in shops in all honest, and I am 99% sure they are up for outcalls to Hotels or even LT. But in all honest the MPs are usually my last choice. Cost ranged but average was 800 Baht inc tip.

Randoms: T21 and a few other shopping areas are full of independents \ locals that if you are sensible and nice you can get to see. I met up with 1 on Day 3 and tbh she didn't want anything just seemed to want to be treated nice, fed and fucked. But gave her 1500 Baht.

Nana: What a crazy lane! Overpriced, but fun to be had if you don't let yourself be manipulated! Spent a few nights in some bars on and near it and tbh theres lots of fun to be had if you know your game. I didn't take anyone from there tbh as used it more of a chill time for me.

Overall, this was a good circa week and given the intent, I could have made it even more fun but tbh I didn't do too bad!

Other Notes.

WTF is up with Indian Indians? Very embarrassing. I think I'm ok in saying this but deodorant and acting normal seems to be alien. It is so embarrassing to oberserve this and it gives everyone with a brown skin a bad name! Thankfully, locals are now understanding that the sane normal and respectful brown skins NOT from India aren't the same! The number of girls I spoke to who made comments about Indians was concerning! But they were all quick to understand if you were from the West. I got asked 3 times in some venues where I was from at the door and as soon as I spoke they either asked UK or Australia (fucks knows why as I don't sound Australian). I stories I got told by one security guy and a number of girls on them was outright embarrassing.

There are a lot of Asians (Chinese, Japanese et al) who flash the cash and are convoluting the market. The girls love it as there easy pray and allegedly finished there business quick (numerous girls explained this).

Cost things have got more expensive, but its still relatively cheap if you know where to look and go.

Hotel Was girl friendly. 3 times had to check in details but others not an issue.

I am aiming to go back Feb for 16 nights between BKK and Pattaya if anyone has any plans around then drop me a note!

That's me done!

RNE.

[QUOTE=Dudalloo;2961559]Hi all.

International traveller here. Sampled a few locations. Back in Bangkok last few days and thought I'the share as I've read reviews that have helped me in the past.

Four locations tried.

1). Cube Massage. - shown iPad of selection for a lunch time snack. Picked lady and image was close to the real thing. Went for standard shower and 40 minutes. 2600 Baht.

Experience was low. No Thai smile. Perfunctory. Need a release so stayed otherwise might have left. I told mamasan that not the best. Lady would not even rub back and head at end with 15 minutes left. Would I recommend? Nice deco and reception, but I don't go for the front office. 3/10 overall experience and glad I didn't pay for more.

2). Thermae Cafe. - went around 10 pm. It was heavy with both girls and clients. Got drink. Went around spoke to a few. I don't mess about and I explain exactly what I want so no misunderstanding. Massage. BBBJ, FS, CIM followed by massage. Silly prices quoted or no CIM. Decided not to waste time or money, so left to Nana.

3). Lollipop. - decent selection however one caught my eye. She looked Japanese. Got lady drink and enjoyed time. Her English was superb. Her name is Pim. Told her what I was looking for and she very clear explained back how and what she would do. Was exactly what I was looking for. Quote was 4000. I said no. Maximum 3000. She agreed. So 3000 for her, 1000 bar fine and 300 short time room nearby. Must say well worth money. Full GFE. Eye contact throughout. Playful but did as told. Not only CIM, but played with cum all across mouth and face. WOW!

Looks - 8/10.

Body- 8/10.

Service - 10/10.

WIR. Hell yea. Would keep her info just to me. Only reason I'm sharing is now leaving Bangkok.

4). Candy Massage. - tried a random one for fun. Sel croon of girls is mixed but chose young looking girl called Kim. Cost 2600 for 40 minutes.

Showed together. Playful. Good English. Nice massage and was attentive with GFE. Did as many positions as I wanted and offered CIM.

Looks - 7/10.

Body -7/10. Nice tattoos.

Service - 9/10.

WIR. - for her yes. Very good value for money.

Hope helpful to newbies and veterans.[/QUOTE]Thermae girls don't massage, affects turnover, although it depends if you have a part timer or a fulltimer.

Lollipops, you talking ground floor Nana?

[QUOTE=RNE2000;2961733]Hi All.

I am aiming to go back Feb for 16 nights between BKK and Pattaya if anyone has any plans around then drop me a note!
RNE.[/QUOTE]I'll be in BKK and PTY Feb 12 to 22. Let's compare schedules.

Could it be that, with yesterday's rain shower, the rainy season is finished? Today, walkies, a very nice breeze blowing, dissipating the stifling humidity. Still hot and sweating, but the sweat plus the breeze operating as designed, cooling. When I sat down at the "Cheers" re-hydration station, my shirt was dry enough that I wasn't shivering in the A/C.

Blast from the past - needed a convenient meeting place so picked the Nana Hotel as it's easy to find for anyone. Damn, dinosaur boneyard. Hadn't been there in 30 years, but the lobby's a/c was nice while I waited. But as soon as the meet was met, we moved on to the land of the living. Yes, it might still be across the street from the Nana Plaza, but for Christ's sake, have some energy and walk a few blocks to a descent hotel (no offense meant to dinosaurs).

Also stopped by Bumrungrad hospital, obviously VERY popular in the Middle East and South Asia, which says a lot for their local hospitals. I was there for one simple task - after striking out twice looking for Ampersand ice cream, they have a shop on the mezzanine floor. Not cheap, but so good, and really appreciated the dry ice added to the foil bag to keep the creams solid on the RTB.

[QUOTE=Dudalloo;2961559]Hi all.

International traveller here. Sampled a few locations. Back in Bangkok last few days and thought I'the share as I've read reviews that have helped me in the past.

Four locations tried.

1). Cube Massage. - shown iPad of selection for a lunch time snack. Picked lady and image was close to the real thing. Went for standard shower and 40 minutes. 2600 Baht.

Experience was low. No Thai smile. Perfunctory. Need a release so stayed otherwise might have left. I told mamasan that not the best. Lady would not even rub back and head at end with 15 minutes left. Would I recommend? Nice deco and reception, but I don't go for the front office. 3/10 overall experience and glad I didn't pay for more.

2). Thermae Cafe. - went around 10 pm. It was heavy with both girls and clients. Got drink. Went around spoke to a few. I don't mess about and I explain exactly what I want so no misunderstanding. Massage. BBBJ, FS, CIM followed by massage. Silly prices quoted or no CIM. Decided not to waste time or money, so left to Nana.

3). Lollipop. - decent selection however one caught my eye. She looked Japanese. Got lady drink and enjoyed time. Her English was superb. Her name is Pim. Told her what I was looking for and she very clear explained back how and what she would do. Was exactly what I was looking for. Quote was 4000. I said no. Maximum 3000. She agreed. So 3000 for her, 1000 bar fine and 300 short time room nearby. Must say well worth money. Full GFE. Eye contact throughout. Playful but did as told. Not only CIM, but played with cum all across mouth and face. WOW!

Looks - 8/10.

Body- 8/10.

Service - 10/10.

WIR. Hell yea. Would keep her info just to me. Only reason I'm sharing is now leaving Bangkok.

4). Candy Massage. - tried a random one for fun. Sel croon of girls is mixed but chose young looking girl called Kim. Cost 2600 for 40 minutes.

Showed together. Playful. Good English. Nice massage and was attentive with GFE. Did as many positions as I wanted and offered CIM.

Looks - 7/10.

Body -7/10. Nice tattoos.

Service - 9/10.

WIR. - for her yes. Very good value for money.

Hope helpful to newbies and veterans.[/QUOTE]Thanks for FR.

You mentioned that they were quoting silly prices in Thermae, can you tell us how much please?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=RNE2000;2961733]Not new to the game and recently came back from a 8 night / 9 day stay in BKK. So summary and thoughts.[/QUOTE]Solid report. Informative and well written. Thanks for posting.

[QUOTE=RNE2000;2961733]Hi All.
Signed up for TF at Heathrow and let that kick off.RNE.[/QUOTE]What's TF?

Will the shops be closed and girls return to their hometowns in Thailand for celebration?

[QUOTE=HornyCock;2962270]Will the shops be closed and girls return to their hometowns in Thailand for celebration?[/QUOTE]My understanding is there is no holiday in thailand for lunar new year.

I am planning to be there for 2 weeks starting the day after lunar new year myself, so I hope I am right.

Articles etc are crap but they claim to have a directory of freelancers. I just want to know if the directory is real with current contacts and if we can read reviews of the girls. If anyone who has / had subscription can confirm that's true or not, I'll greatly appreciate it and the 10 $ I save will safely be deposited in a ploy's cleavage instead of being wasted on what is most likely a scam.

Unfortunately I've never sullied one. But observed enough low paid workers alongside their Thai colleagues to know Burmese chicks display great potential as bedmates. Any bar or other such establishment where I can find Burmese FLs? Or maybe a normal restaurant or bar where they hang out?

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2961851]Thanks for FR.

You mentioned that they were quoting silly prices in Thermae, can you tell us how much please?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Silly prices were 5000 and above.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2961787]Thermae girls don't massage, affects turnover, although it depends if you have a part timer or a fulltimer.

Lollipops, you talking ground floor Nana?[/QUOTE]Yes. Lollipop ground floor on the left hand side, just as you enter Nana plaza.

Last I heard she was in SoL star of Light. But now that SoL is closed. Any idea where she might be?

Never had one. Seem interesting- more docile and elegant. Any bars with Burmese FLs / staff? Or massage parlours?

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2962316][b]Ex BJ star of Kasalong. Name: Ohh. Where is she niw[/b]
Last I heard she was in SoL star of Light. But now that SoL is closed. Any idea where she might be?[/QUOTE]The only star provider at Kasalong I ever knew about was a very young, sweet-faced, slim and curvy girl named Minh. She was there for about 3 years from the day Kasalong first opened. But she wasn't a star because her BJ skills were so great. They were fine. But she was a star because she was one of the best lookers one would generally encounter at any BJ Bar. She rarely spent more than 5 minutes sitting outside with the other girls before a customer would cut through the gauntlet to tap her on the shoulder and take her. The other girls were quite annoyed about that. So I was obviously not alone in my assessment of her looks.

Oh, she wasn't perfect. She would go through a period of mild adolescent facial acne every now and then. But nothing so severe that expertly applied make-up couldn't cover it well enough.

I doubt she would have ever worked at Star of Light. With her looks she would have been lifted to legendary status there and a plaque with her image hung on the door.

She mostly worked days at Kasalong, rarely the night shift.

She gave me her Line info on our first BJ session about 3 days after Kasalong opened, maybe 9 years ago? She sent me photos of herself with her family. We chatted off and on. I lost track of her about 6 years ago I guess.

I sessioned with her at least 15-20 times in those 3 years. Because she was so cute, young and gave a decent if not great BBBJCIM. We only ever did DATY, which she loved, and then a BBBJCIM, never swallow, for me.

In all those sessions I tried but she never agreed to BBFSCIP under any circumstances or for any amount of additional money. For me, that is. Other guys may have had a very different experience with her, don't know. Actually, I only ever got an agreement for BBFSCIP with one Kasalong or Lolitas girl among the dozens of them I sessioned with. Only DATY and BBBJCIM, not one swallower ever. LOL.

So the fact that Minh refused more than a BBBJCIM with me was nothing particularly special or different from all of my BJ Bar experiences over the years.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2962325][b]Burmese women?[/b]
Never had one. Seem interesting- more docile and elegant. Any bars with Burmese FLs / staff? Or massage parlours?[/QUOTE]There are actually many more Burmese girls working in restaurants as servers and in mall shops in Bangkok than most tourists realize. To my eyes, they are generally not quite as fuckable attractive as Thai girls. But there can be standout exceptions. I would say they are sweeter, less flaky and annoying than Thai girls.

I don't believe you will find many working in the bars, PSE shops, as FLs on the street or online. But those who are more active in those venues than I have been of late may correct me on that observation.

My experience with the few I have met and had sex with is, as you suggest, they are more shy, more reserved, more conservative, perhaps less abrasive than Thai girls or, to be fair, than most Thai bar girls. Not sure about the docile part though. Had some great Real Sex and amazing full and complete BJs with the few I have dated. And I do mean dated. Not P4 P. I met them in regular restaurants and shops, not in Red Light type venues.

Many times I have been with farang friends who point out what they think is a Thai girl with, "check out that cute / lovely Thai girl" working in a restaurant or a mall shop and it turns out she is from Myanmar, not born in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Xnxx1;2962272]My understanding is there is no holiday in thailand for lunar new year.

I am planning to be there for 2 weeks starting the day after lunar new year myself, so I hope I am right.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HornyCock;2962270]Will the shops be closed and girls return to their hometowns in Thailand for celebration?[/QUOTE]One great thing about Thailand, they celebrate ALL New Year's. Western, Lunar, Chinese. Any excuse for a party.

As to Lunar New Year, it's been awhile, but my experience is that a number do go home for the holiday. Previous to the holiday, they are putting in the long working hours to earn cash. Going home empty handed is a big loss of face. Gifts for family. They'll be gone for a week, maybe 2. But it's not like EVERY one leaves, plenty to fill the [I]demand[/I]. My suggestion is, get her Line contact before she goes. That way, you'll know when she's back. Beats having to beat the bush looking for her, though many a plaintive cry can be heard in the shops, "Is ______ back yet? YMMV

[QUOTE=Dudalloo;2962299]Silly prices were 5000 and above.[/QUOTE]That's not a silly price it's called a go away leave me alone.

[QUOTE=HornyCock;2962267]What's TF?[/QUOTE]Thai friendly.

Hot girl at Rainbow 5. Mixed race. In 45 minutes she was approached by 5 guys. 5th one barfined her.

Quite a Hottie. No Silly Cones.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2962475]Hot girl at Rainbow 5. Mixed race. In 45 minutes she was approached by 5 guys. 5th one barfined her.

Quite a Hottie. No Silly Cones.[/QUOTE]What was her number?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962375]There are actually many more Burmese girls working in restaurants as servers and in mall shops in Bangkok than most tourists realize. To my eyes, they are generally not quite as fuckable attractive as Thai girls. But there can be standout exceptions. I would say they are sweeter, less flaky and annoying than Thai girls.

I don't believe you will find many working in the bars, PSE shops, as FLs on the street or online. But those who are more active in those venues than I have been of late may correct me on that observation.

My experience with the few I have met and had sex with is, as you suggest, they are more shy, more reserved, more conservative, perhaps less abrasive than Thai girls or, to be fair, than most Thai bar girls. Not sure about the docile part though. Had some great Real Sex and amazing full and complete BJs with the few I have dated. And I do mean dated. Not P4 P. I met them in regular restaurants and shops, not in Red Light type venues.

Many times I have been with farang friends who point out what they think is a Thai girl with, "check out that cute / lovely Thai girl" working in a restaurant or a mall shop and it turns out she is from Myanmar, not born in Thailand.[/QUOTE]My close interactions had been with condo cleaning staff- mix of Thai and Burmese. I'd hire them to clean my condo after their shift. Contrasts were quite apparent over the 2 years. I've had quickies for pocket change with most of the Thai staff- arranged during 1:1 run ins at gym etc. But all attempts with the Burmese left me wondering if they even understood my offer or not. Unfortunately I can't put in the effort / time to convince civvies anymore so was hoping to pick up a fresh one at a bar or so. If I get one at a legit massage, I'm sure I'll close a deal in a few sessions.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2962629]My close interactions had been with condo cleaning staff- mix of Thai and Burmese. I'd hire them to clean my condo after their shift. Contrasts were quite apparent over the 2 years. I've had quickies for pocket change with most of the Thai staff- arranged during 1:1 run ins at gym etc. But all attempts with the Burmese left me wondering if they even understood my offer or not. Unfortunately I can't put in the effort / time to convince civvies anymore so was hoping to pick up a fresh one at a bar or so. If I get one at a legit massage, I'm sure I'll close a deal in a few sessions.[/QUOTE]There is or was a Burmese street market in Phra Kanong off Suk Soi 71 Road. Easiest way to find it is cross the pedestrian bridge over Suk at the Ibis styles and zip down the first alley you come to, you will see the fruit vendors. Loads of Burmese food and they even still sell the Betel chews.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2962629][b] Thanks for the insight- what I anticipated but held out hope against[/b]
My close interactions had been with condo cleaning staff- mix of Thai and Burmese. I'd hire them to clean my condo after their shift. Contrasts were quite apparent over the 2 years. I've had quickies for pocket change with most of the Thai staff- arranged during 1:1 run ins at gym etc. But all attempts with the Burmese left me wondering if they even understood my offer or not. Unfortunately I can't put in the effort / time to convince civvies anymore so was hoping to pick up a fresh one at a bar or so. If I get one at a legit massage, I'm sure I'll close a deal in a few sessions.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. And on that point I can add a bit more about the kind of Burmese / Myanmar girls we are likely to encounter in Bangkok.

If they are among the lovelier looking ones who are passably fluent in English, seem to be well educated and essentially the most attractive and fuckable among them, even if they are working relatively menial jobs like hotel maids, restaurant servers and such, not talking about the less desirable ones being bussed in as migrant farm workers but the ones we would be more attracted to sexually, it is very likely they come from Myanmar families with money, have enjoyed and grown up with more privileged lives in their home country than most, much better than their Thai so-workers, and do not need to fuck and suck strangers for money. They wouldn't even think of doing such a thing. They don't really need the money that much and never did. And that is in addition to their more shy and conservative nature.

I am guessing that falls in line with what you have encountered. But perhaps there are contrary observations from other punters here.

The thing is, the more privileged and monied families of Myanmar are the ones sending their lovely daughters to Bangkok, working whatever convoluted, complex and more expensive deal necessary to arrange a visa, a place to stay and so on in order to distance them from the civil war problems going on in their country. Young people are being plucked off the street and conscripted into a minimum 2-year stint in the military up there. Conditions are very bad. Any Myanmar girl who has shown up in Bangkok, has a real job and decent place to stay over the past few years has a well-to-do family that made that happen.

They take jobs because they are bored and want to do something and feel some shame in just living off their family, don't like asking them to "send more money. I'm broke. ".

And as somewhat welcoming as Thailand is to Myanmar visitors, students and work visa-holders, they are not likely to hire one over a Thai girl for the kind of administerial, secretary or management job they had in Myanmar. They can only get jobs as hotel maids, restaurant servers and mall shop clerks.

You can't even go by their living conditions in Bangkok as an indication for how "needy" they are and therefore how amenable they are to a P4 P offer. In the ever widening circle of Myanmar girls I have dated and met, most of them pack 3-4 in a room just because they prefer it that way, find it more fun and sociable to live that way, hate to "waste" money on individual rooms they could actually afford.

I know 2 sisters in their mid 20's, one somewhat doable the younger one very doable, who opened acgood sized cannabis shop in Bangkok on family money. It is doing so well they are scouting areas to open a Myanmar restaurant these days. Yet they live with 2 other Myanmar girls packed in a one room apartment just for the fun and frugality of it.

There are so many Myanmar girls working as servers in restaurants in Bangkok, especially western fare style restaurants, that it took me a long time to figure out why these cute "Thai" girls were not understanding my lousy but at least attempted Thai language skills in asking for water, less spicy food and so on. So often my attempts were met with puzzled looks until I had to resort to English, which they did understand. It turns out so many of them are not Thai but are instead educated Burmese and might actually understand English better that Thai themselves.

Just back landed in BKK after a long hiatus. Things seem the same but different now. Popped into Soi Cowboy last night and went in Baccara. The girls are more drink oriented and not as keen as before for LT. ST still ongoing at the hotel on Asok. They have upgraded the rooms it seems. Fewer Japanese guys in the bar which is good for me. Bar fined a cute ST for 3500 Babt plus 3 lard drinks and a 800 baht bar fine. Heard it was now 1000 so not sure if this is correct or not. I was a little drunk. Interesting that the same bloke was sitting at the doors as before, it's like he has never left.

Greetings.

Were a couple visiting BKK wanted your advice on how to go about finding a girl to join us for and for couples massages that offer he.

Appreciate your advice and inputs.

Hi everyone,

I found these 2 on MR as was thinking of booking them but I've heard mixed reviews about their listings. If anyone has any experience or reviews on the either of the 2 please share.

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Thanks.

Navigating interactions with Thai working girls in Bangkok can sometimes be a challenge, especially considering the many stories ranging from disengaged attitudes and mechanical experiences to refusals of BBFS and runners or girls asking for money upfront. As a result, it's essential to approach these situations with strategy and awareness to ensure you have a positive experience. Below, I'll share some proven tips that have worked for me over the years. While no method is foolproof, these approaches can significantly improve your chances of achieving a mutually enjoyable encounter. Bangkok is much more different than Pattaya guys.

1. Presentation Matters.

First impressions count. Ditch the ragged look, such as flip-flops, tank tops, and unkempt attire, as they send the wrong signal. Instead, opt for well-fitted clothes, polished shoes, and good grooming. Cleanliness, deodorant, and a touch of cologne can go a long way. Thai women often respect men who look well put-together, successful, and healthy. A polished appearance makes them more comfortable and relaxed, which can lead to a more enjoyable and intimate connection. The girls in Bangkok spend hours getting ready to go to the clubs and often look amazing in their dresses and high heels. Try going to Flamingo in Emquartier or Thonglor Soi 10 and you will know exactly what I mean.

2. Generosity Goes a Long Way.

Being generous doesn't mean being a "Simp. Small, thoughtful gestures—like buying a few drinks or leaving consistent tips—can make a big impact. In Thai culture, maintaining "face" is crucial, and your generosity can help the ladies feel proud in front of their peers. This often translates into better experiences later. This is one of my best strategies. The money I spend depends on the quality of the lady.

For example, once I bought pizzas for the staff at a bar I frequented, and it completely transformed the evening with my chosen companion. On another occasion, a simple dinner at a rooftop bar made my date express her gratitude with a passionate and memorable night. It cost only a few thousand Baht for cocktails and some appetizers. It's not about overspending; it's about showing respect and making them feel valued.

3. Don't Sweat the Small Stuff.

Flexibility is key. Thai women generally dislike overly talkative or detail-oriented men during these encounters. If you relax and go with the flow, many of the specifics—such as certain preferences or restrictions—become less of an issue. A genuine connection often leads to a more organic and enjoyable time. This is one of the key strategies that I use to get BBFS.

4. Respect and Politeness.

A little respect goes a long way. Learn basic Thai phrases, ask about their lives, and treat them courteously. Simple gestures, like opening doors or showing interest in their stories, can deepen their comfort level with you. Remember, these women are individuals with real emotions and lives outside their work sometimes. Approaching them with empathy and kindness will often lead to better outcomes.

5. Lighten the Mood.

While alcohol isn't necessary, getting your companion tipsy can help ease inhibitions and foster a relaxed atmosphere. The goal is not to push boundaries, but to create a comfortable environment where both you and the lady can enjoy themselves without awkwardness.

6. Foreplay is Key.

Many experiences hinge on how you approach intimacy. Taking time to please her, especially through foreplay or other thoughtful gestures, can make all the difference. If she feels cared for and satisfied, she's more likely to reciprocate in kind.

While these methods aren't guaranteed to work for everyone every time, they've proven successful for me throughout my time in Thailand over the past 16 years. A respectful, considerate approach tends to yield the best results. Whether you're on holiday or you are an expat, following these principles can help ensure memorable and enjoyable experiences with the ladies in Bangkok. Again, the er is a huge contrast between mongering in Bangkok and mongering in Pattaya. Pattaya is a tourist beach town. That should be enough right there to enlighten you.

So many debates and so many questions in my private messages and in the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.

With the digital world taking over and the ladies continually glued to their phones, there is no doubt that it is the best place to find P4 P. I personally prefer We Chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, and Tinder.

WE Chat is quite easy as everything is out in the open, but watch out for ladyboys. The ladies all post very clearly what their intentions are. It is the other sites that are a little more challenging. There is a people nearby feature that can be used to track down the girls near you. Within about 15KM. We chat is completely free and all the rest of them offer free options and paid options to enhance your experience. For the sake of this post, I will use Thai Friendly as the example as it is the most popular and widely discussed on this board and is the only one that is worth paying for in my opinion in Bangkok if you are looking for P4 P. First, I will clear up all the misconceptions for everyone. Regular members can message once every 10 minutes but if the girl is too popular, free accounts cannot message her. The premium account comes with unlimited massaging to all members with no waiting time between sent messages and your messages are put at the top of the lady's inbox. You can also hide things like your online status and joined date. These are valuable tools. Well worth the 800 baht per month. For all you skeptics, any decent looking lady gets thousands of messages each day. If you don't believe me, ask the next girl you chat with. She will tell you she just can't reply to everyone so having your message go to the top of her inbox, is an excellent advantage over being a free member. The BKK section is about 50% normal girls and 50% P4 P, don't talk with me about Pattaya as this is not the Pattaya thread. However, it is not easy to unlock 100% of the P4 P ladies. Some only do it part time and some are selective. For the hottest girls, search 18-24 year old. From there, send a message saying "Do you want to make money? With this proven method, you will score. The university girls looking for a quick tuition fix are your targets. They will offer the best GFE with mostly no mention of a condom. You can get them for 3-4 K baht for the night, LT. This is strictly P4 P guys. I have other methods I use to find the good ladies for short or long time girlfriends. Finally, mongers get so obsessed with Line. Line is not any magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just heir preferred method of contact.

Next, freelancers and the bar scene. I frequent the Hillary bars, Levels, Flamingo and Mixx. Climax used to be the go to place, but it closed for some time. It is now open again just recently. However, I have not been back yet. As for Thermae, It mainly appeals to the Japanese crowd if that's your thing, please know It is hit and miss for most farangs. 3000ST is the average. Never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you will lose all control.

Next, massage shops. I choose Snow White for the hands down best PSE / GFE experience. Every time I get multiple pops with BBFS and sometimes CIP. The prices are approximately 1,900 baht for 1 hour, 2,300 baht for 90 minutes, and 2,500 baht for 2 hours. I never pay upfront. However, I always get BBFS there but CIP only 50% of the time with a tip of around 1000 baht I am not a fan of A+, but it is available with about 70% of the ladies. When I am looking for the kind of Thai girls who normally go with Asians, I go to Ratchada, Rama 9, Sukhumvit Soi 31,33. For other areas, there is Soi 26, Soi 24, and Soi 24/1. The famous Tulip is opposite Soi 55 Thonglor on Sukhumvit. This place has seen better days through. This meaning the lineup can be god awful to average, but never like ti used to be. For anyone looking for Dao, she is now at Snow White. Honorable mention goes to Mango on Soi 24. Decent lineup every day that is consistent and by paying a little bit more, you can get BBFS with most of the girls.

Go go bars and bars with bar fines. In Soi Cowboy, Crazy House. The bar fine for me has always been 800-1000 Baht and I love this place for the nude dancing. However, there is a constant pressure to buy lady drinks, which may not appeal to some of the guys. Beware of this lady drink hustle, as you may buy a few while the lady has another customer lined up for a bar fine. I always choose my girl and then negotiate the bar fine first. Then I pay the bar fine and sit and relax with the girl and drink. I often go ST for 3000 to the ST room at the end of the soi or LT to my condo for 4-5 K baht depending on the girls rates. Keep in mind, I mostly never discuss rates with the girls and give them these prices as they are the going rates and fair plus a tip if they take care of me well. Additionally, I almost always get what I want such as BBFS. I think a lot of that has to do with my easy going attitude. While drinking before we go, she can then have as many lady drinks as she wants. Keep note, with the many complaints of bill padding, the bar now asks you to sign every bill as you order and drink. 80% of the time, I have a good experience. In my humble opinion, the rest of Soi Cowboy is a waste of time. Maybe Baccara is worth a visit still, but that's it. The rest of the bars are full of drink queens and inconsistent line ups.

My go to places in Nana are Butterflies and Billboard. I mostly follow the same rules here. Billboard being the one where I refuse to buy lady drinks for any girl until after I have paid my bar fine. As for the bars, I like to go to many of the small bars on Soi 4, Morning Night and the many Hillary bars. Bar fines are about 700 baht and you can sometimes find a diamond in the ruff at these places. 80% of the time, I drank with the girls, then paid their bar fine, and took them for ST or LT and got a real GFE with BBFS and CIP. I always pay 3000ST and around 5000 LT plus a tip. Again, never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, lets you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. I used to frequent Patpong, but I have not been back since before covid.

Some honorable mentions: The Soi 7 beer bars. They can be dead awful to amazing depending on the day. There is also Soi 22 where you will find a ton of massage shops and small bars at the top of the Soi and tucked into almost all of the side soils. There is also a little small bar and massage area that I have been to on Soi 20/1 that is quite fun. Then there is Soi 8 that houses a few BJ bars and massage shops, a small road off Asok that houses Som's Heaven with a new name I have forgotten, and the Soi 23 massage shops. I would not suggest picking up off the street, but if that's your thing, across from Nana Plaza in the hotel car park by the ATMs there are street hookers and also ones outside of Thermae.

Foreign working girls. If anyone knows me, they know I love Viet women. I find them on WE chat. Start your search using the people nearby function on Lower Sukhumvit. You will find them for 3500ST during the day which is a bargain compared to what they ask in the bars. However, the experience will vary and mostly depends on YMMV. They are aggressive and hungry for money so they will say anything to get you in their bed and most will ask you to pay first. Use your best judgement but keep this in mind: Never ever ever ever pay upfront under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. The Africans are sticking to Tinder these days, or trolling the streets, but I would advise against hiring any of them.

Moving to escort agencies. I never use them, end of story. I do not think it is necessary. Why,? Because you can call delivery over by using Thai Friendly or Tinder. I strongly suggest the upgrade to premium as I said above to eliminate the 10 minute waiting time. I know about the search work around to message the most popular girls, but who wants to mess with this to save the 800 Baht. Be careful who you message. Feel them out first, as there are a lot of normal girls on TF in Bangkok. Unlike Pattaya where 90% on TF are looking for customers. Do not ask "What are you looking for" Introduce yourself. Tell them whether you are on holiday or working here. Ask them what their job is. This will get you the info you want to know. However, you will know straight away with about 15%. It will be clear what they are looking for on their profile. However, don't be fooled. Some working girls will write they are looking for relationships, but they are still ready and willing to give it up for the baht. This is expanded more from the section I wrote above with another tip on finding out if they are willing to play if you are not comfortable with the "Do you want to make money" question.

Now, the local scene. For this, I use Fiw Fans, the Pimp, and T-Ded-99. The Pimp is located in Town and Town and T-Ded 99 is located in the Saphan Kwai bar area on Suthisan Rd. This takes some Thai language skills and some patience.

Let's start with Fiw Fans. This will be hit and miss as most ladies will ignore farngs. Be polite but it is a crap shoot. Most encounters will happen in ST rooms that the girl will rent for the entire day to entertain clients or you will need to meet the girl at a local hotel of her choosing. This will be a completely different experience as the ladies will be dick scared and shy because of not speaking English. Service level will be a crap shoot, as well, but generally be cheaper than what we as expats normally pay. On average 800 Baht to 1500 Baht ST. Often, you will be trying to book through an admin who manages multiple ladies through several mobile phone and Line OA business accounts. What I like is they will send you a bunch of photos and a more accurate description of what's on offer with photos that don't have the face hidden and some are on the website. If you can speak Thai like me, you will do really well and get BBFS. If not, if you are on holiday, you will waste too much time. For expats, time is not really an issue.

The Pimp is a gentlemen's club in the Town in Town area of BKK. It caters to mostly older married Thai men with money who like to step out on their wives. If you are a cheap Charlie, this is not the place for you. However, the ladies are all white skinned, and clinically beautiful and sexy. You can choose a membership which includes sets of bottles or you can pay as you go. The drink sets normally start around 4000 Baht+++ They often have great promotions for non- members. Be sure to go with a group of friends to share the costs. As for the ladies, you pay a fee of 1000-2000 baht for the first hour. This depends on the category of the lady. She will drink with you for that hour, wipe your ass for you when you go to the toilet, feed you snacks, dance with you, let you grope her, kiss you, feel you up, jack you over your pants, but she won't openly go with you outside for sex. Every additional hour is 500 baht. If you want a girl to go with you, you must discreetly discuss it during your time together. If she agrees, it will be a minimum of 6000ST but probably more. I have paid 6 K and as high as now 20 K for ST. They are used to old Thai men with money so the sex will be hit and miss but you can know that you will be fucking a real stunner. Not all will be starfishes either.

Next is T-Ded-99. When you walk in to the entrance in the corner by 7/11, you will see a huge room with a long stage that goes from one end to the other. The first lot of girls sit at the far end in some booths, about 50 or so, while others sit with customers and dance on stage, some topless at times. All around the outside there are Karaoke VIP rooms. Then there is a small hallway leading to another area of Karaoke rooms, which is on the way to the bathrooms. It is in this area where there is a long bench against the walls that wraps around the corridor and goes along the back hallway all the way to the bathrooms. It is on this long bench where all the other girls sit waiting to be either chosen as guys walk by or be brought out in huge groups to show the guys sitting down in the booths or in the karaoke rooms. There are literally 150 girls in this back area alone, plus around 50 or so girls sitting in the booths and maybe another 20 or so already with customers. If you walk and and sit down, you would not know they were even there until you walked to the bathrooms. Most foreigners go there for the first time and walk in and out as they don't think there are any girls. They are sadly mistaken. After choosing your girl, we sat down and drank beer. Large bottles of Heineken, ate fries, mango, and chicken fried rice. One of the last few times I was there I chose a girl and she sat with me for 3 hours. Then after I took her to the ST hotel across the road. Now, the pricing. All the food, about 5-6 large Heinekens, and the cost of the girl to sit with me was in total, 1900 baht. There are no lady drinks in this place. Just a small sitting fee of about 200 Baht per hour, maybe a little less. The lady drinks and eats whatever you order. Then comes the cost of the girl to take out to the hotel. It's very easy to figure here. It's 2500 baht including the hotel. My girl's name was Kao. She is 22 years old with no baby and nice see cups. We showered together and then onto the bed. Lot's of steamy sex in all positions and a nice CIP finish. Total cost was 4400 baht. However, this place is so fun and cheap, I tipped a bunch of the staff plus the girl was given a healthy tip for her bedroom activities being pretty much the same as a GF. BBFSCIP. I often see the odd other western foreigner in there, but they always look completely lost and don't last long. The quite a few Chinese guys and the rest are all Thai. You will need to speak some Thai in this place to make things much easier, so I would suggest going with a Thai friend if you can't speak Thai. So, just to summarize, the cost was 4400 Baht not including the tips I gave to the staff and my girl. Therefore, it was closer to about 10 K all in. You don't need to be the same as me though. A comparable night in go go plus the ST with the lady would most likely be much higher. I compare this to a go go because that's what it really is.

About the Line App. Guys, Line is not a mythical and magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just their preferred method of contact. The people nearby search function is not available if you have your line account downloaded from another country where that feature is not available. Thailand is one of those places where it is not available. However, if you come from a country such as the USA where it is available, you can use it in Thailand but there will be no Thai girls there. If there are some, they probably are visiting from another country or for whatever reason, their Apple ID or google Play store account are not from Thailand. So, to be clear, this search function is not available in Thailand!

This is just my personal experience in Bangkok and it may not be the same as others. However, I have been very successful at achieving my mongering goals. Don't get me wrong though. I have made my share of mistakes too. The best way to prevent those is to RTFF. That's what it is here for.

Guys! Stop sending me private messages asking for contact details. I won't provide them unless you are a senior member I know well and I will ask the lady first before.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963048]So many debates and so many questions in my private messages and in the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.[/QUOTE]This is a perfect example of what makes this site so useful and entertaining!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963048]Never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you will lose all control.[/QUOTE]In the MP's, you pay upfront. Known service, no problem. But for ANY type of [I]optional[/I] FL activity (and that includes a-gogo BG's) where the services are not a given, this should be your mantra: pay after, pay [B]AFTER[/B], [B]PAY AFTER[/B]. If you're an unknown, she might be a bit hesitant, but still, decline if she asks [I]before[/I]. In the bars, you will quickly have a rep. The girls DO talk. It's a [I]philosophy[/I] that has stood me in good stead for decades, in multiple countries. And yes, I have broken the rule. You have so many successes, you grow complacent, let your guard done, ignore the "Danger Will Robinson" voice, and agree to pay before. Bites you in the ass. Recipe for disaster, which, the one good thing about it, you re-learn the lesson of [B]PAY AFTER[/B].

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2963066]In the MP's, you pay upfront. Known service, no problem. But for ANY type of [I]optional[/I] FL activity (and that includes a-gogo BG's) where the services are not a given, this should be your mantra: pay after, pay [B]AFTER[/B], [B]PAY AFTER[/B]. If you're an unknown, she might be a bit hesitant, but still, decline if she asks [I]before[/I]. In the bars, you will quickly have a rep. The girls DO talk. It's a [I]philosophy[/I] that has stood me in good stead for decades, in multiple countries. And yes, I have broken the rule. You have so many successes, you grow complacent, let your guard done, ignore the "Danger Will Robinson" voice, and agree to pay before. Bites you in the ass. Recipe for disaster, which, the one good thing about it, you re-learn the lesson of [B]PAY AFTER[/B].[/QUOTE]Yes. Def way to go. For newbies recognize at gogos the mamasan will present it as a single thing. Like if it's 3000 for the girl and 1000 bar fine she will say "that's 4000" and it seems like you are supposed to pay it all at the bar / gogo. You simply have to say you will pay the bar fine now and the girl after. Never had them say no. And def had a bad experience when I forgot to do this.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2963066]In the MP's, you pay upfront. Known service, no problem. But for ANY type of [I]optional[/I] FL activity (and that includes a-gogo BG's) where the services are not a given, this should be your mantra: pay after, pay [B]AFTER[/B], [B]PAY AFTER[/B]. If you're an unknown, she might be a bit hesitant, but still, decline if she asks [I]before[/I]. In the bars, you will quickly have a rep. The girls DO talk. It's a [I]philosophy[/I] that has stood me in good stead for decades, in multiple countries. And yes, I have broken the rule. You have so many successes, you grow complacent, let your guard done, ignore the "Danger Will Robinson" voice, and agree to pay before. Bites you in the ass. Recipe for disaster, which, the one good thing about it, you re-learn the lesson of [B]PAY AFTER[/B].[/QUOTE]I never pay up front in the MPs unless it's a repeat. I have never been refused service because of this. I speak Thai though and mostly frequent my regular haunts.

We must have similar likings because I have had both!

With Emmy it was a threesome massage with one of her friends. She is a very nice girl, speaks English like a native and she looks like her photos. They drained me and it was me setting the physical limits and not them. If you are into a big butt and boobs just go for it. She is back in Bangkok after some time in Belgium. WIR. Probably not but that is because there are so many options in Bangkok and I for the most part like to try different things.

Tan is a wild one. Met her the first time for a normal session at my hotel. Wanted to do some uniform stuff but most of her gear was in Hong Kong. Ended up being all lingerie. Still a pleasant session. Next time in Bangkok I bump into her at upstairs at Penny Black. She gives me an offer around 5-6 k and came back with me. LT this time. Basically jumped me coming in the door. Had me do her BBFS up against the wall. And then kept wanting more rounds than I could manage until she left the next day. Thinking back, I feel like repeating!

Enjoy!

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[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963030]Navigating interactions with Thai working girls in Bangkok can sometimes be a challenge, especially considering the many stories ranging from disengaged attitudes and mechanical experiences to refusals of BBFS and runners or girls asking for money upfront. As a result, it's essential to approach these situations with strategy and awareness to ensure you have a positive experience. Below, I'll share some proven tips that have worked for me over the years. While no method is foolproof, these approaches can significantly improve your chances of achieving a mutually enjoyable encounter. Bangkok is much more different than Pattaya guys.

1. Presentation Matters.

First impressions count. Ditch the ragged look, such as flip-flops, tank tops, and unkempt attire, as they send the wrong signal. Instead, opt for well-fitted clothes, polished shoes, and good grooming. Cleanliness, deodorant, and a touch of cologne can go a long way. Thai women often respect men who look well put-together, successful, and healthy. A polished appearance makes them more comfortable and relaxed, which can lead to a more enjoyable and intimate connection. The girls in Bangkok spend hours getting ready to go to the clubs and often look amazing in their dresses and high heels. Try going to Flamingo in Emquartier or Thonglor Soi 10 and you will know exactly what I mean.

2. Generosity Goes a Long Way.

Being generous doesn't mean being a "Simp. Small, thoughtful gestureslike buying a few drinks or leaving consistent tipscan make a big impact. In Thai culture, maintaining "face" is crucial, and your generosity can help the ladies feel proud in front of their peers. This often translates into better experiences later. This is one of my best strategies. The money I spend depends on the quality of the lady.

For example, once I bought pizzas for the staff at a bar I frequented, and it completely transformed the evening with my chosen companion. On another occasion, a simple dinner at a rooftop bar made my date express her gratitude with a passionate and memorable night. It cost only a few thousand Baht for cocktails and some appetizers. It's not about overspending; it's about showing respect and making them feel valued.

3. Don't Sweat the Small Stuff.

Flexibility is key. Thai women generally dislike overly talkative or detail-oriented men during these encounters. If you relax and go with the flow, many of the specificssuch as certain preferences or restrictionsbecome less of an issue. A genuine connection often leads to a more organic and enjoyable time. This is one of the key strategies that I use to get BBFS.

4. Respect and Politeness.

A little respect goes a long way. Learn basic Thai phrases, ask about their lives, and treat them courteously. Simple gestures, like opening doors or showing interest in their stories, can deepen their comfort level with you. Remember, these women are individuals with real emotions and lives outside their work sometimes. Approaching them with empathy and kindness will often lead to better outcomes.

5. Lighten the Mood.

While alcohol isn't necessary, getting your companion tipsy can help ease inhibitions and foster a relaxed atmosphere. The goal is not to push boundaries, but to create a comfortable environment where both you and the lady can enjoy themselves without awkwardness.

6. Foreplay is Key.

Many experiences hinge on how you approach intimacy. Taking time to please her, especially through foreplay or other thoughtful gestures, can make all the difference. If she feels cared for and satisfied, she's more likely to reciprocate in kind.

While these methods aren't guaranteed to work for everyone every time, they've proven successful for me throughout my time in Thailand over the past 16 years. A respectful, considerate approach tends to yield the best results. Whether you're on holiday or you are an expat, following these principles can help ensure memorable and enjoyable experiences with the ladies in Bangkok. Again, the er is a huge contrast between mongering in Bangkok and mongering in Pattaya. Pattaya is a tourist beach town. That should be enough right there to enlighten you.[/QUOTE]I'm halfway out the door, on my my way back to puta pueblo, when this post shows up.

Should be nailed to the ISG wall and included with your E-Ticket when you book a flight.

Perfectly summarizes the best practices for the average monger to get the best out of the local ladies, not just in Bangkok, but wherever you monger. A little respect for your partner in crime, can yield surprising dividends.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2962557]What was her number?[/QUOTE]Don't know. Persian looking. Parang seem to like her. Limited amount of data points but she seems to be very popular. She is both attractive and nice- almost impossible to find.

School girl happenings. A parang was in deep negotiations. In the 1 second I passed by I heard PLOY say she needs to consult her mom. Don't know if that was a deal breaker. Hahaha.

Arrived Monday afternoon in Bangkok enroute to my 12th yoga-focused winter in Chiang Mai. Will be in BKK only two nights.

First stop a return to Sakura Akasuri on Thong Lor for the sea-salt body scrub, salt tapping, and massage. Always feel so clean and refreshed after. The only unfortunate thing about Sakura Akasuri is that the ladies want 1000 baht just to take their top off while finishing the session with a handjob. I just decline, seems too expensive. But they are good at the salt scrub, tapping, and massage, so I always go there after arriving. It is a little bit of heaven.

Had dinner, went back to my room, planning to rest a bit and head out to Snow White or Boss. Having just finished a 28-hour trip from southern California, I fell asleep and woke in the middle of the night.

Next day I did some sightseeing and returned for my third time to Madame Claude just off Soi 26 for a 1-hour massage, BJ, sex. It is a little more upscale, a little pricy (2500 baht for 60 min), but a lot of fun. The MMS remembered me from last year which is both surprising and nice. I prefer older ladies, being older myself, so I asked who the oldest ladies were. There were two in their late 30's, but both looked like early 20's. I chose Jenny, had a very fun and erotic time. Left very happy. I would recommend Jenny anytime.

Walked down Soi 4 since it is near my hotel, and was a little surprised at how assertive some of the freelancers were. And their prices were not at all high. I passed, having already enjoyed Jenny at Madame Claude.

A successful and fun short visit to Bangkok. Now on to Chiang Mai to see how things are there.

My trip dates are set and I've booked air and hotels. Now I just need to find a door-to-door car service from my Bangkok Hotel to my Pattaya Hotel. And presumably, my Pattaya Hotel to the BKK airport 12 days later. I can see some car service websites through Google, but they seem expensive (3000 THB+) versus what I think a Grab or Taxi might cost at around 1500-2000 THB. Not really interested in super cheap methods like the bus lines. I don't mind paying for the private ride luxury, assuming the costs are not more than $50 (1800 THB) each way.

Any suggestions or referrals will be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2963177]My trip dates are set and I've booked air and hotels. Now I just need to find a door-to-door car service from my Bangkok Hotel to my Pattaya Hotel. And presumably, my Pattaya Hotel to the BKK airport 12 days later. I can see some car service websites through Google, but they seem expensive (3000 THB+) versus what I think a Grab or Taxi might cost at around 1500-2000 THB. Not really interested in super cheap methods like the bus lines. I don't mind paying for the private ride luxury, assuming the costs are not more than $50 (1800 THB) each way.

Any suggestions or referrals will be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]You arent going to find any cheaper than Grab.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2963079]Yes. Def way to go. For newbies recognize at gogos the mamasan will present it as a single thing. Like if it's 3000 for the girl and 1000 bar fine she will say "that's 4000" and it seems like you are supposed to pay it all at the bar / gogo. You simply have to say you will pay the bar fine now and the girl after. Never had them say no. And def had a bad experience when I forgot to do this.[/QUOTE]The policy for a while at Billboard was pay the Mamasan. I haven't tried to barfine there in a while so I don't know what it is today.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2963177]My trip dates are set and I've booked air and hotels. Now I just need to find a door-to-door car service from my Bangkok Hotel to my Pattaya Hotel. And presumably, my Pattaya Hotel to the BKK airport 12 days later. I can see some car service websites through Google, but they seem expensive (3000 THB+) versus what I think a Grab or Taxi might cost at around 1500-2000 THB. Not really interested in super cheap methods like the bus lines. I don't mind paying for the private ride luxury, assuming the costs are not more than $50 (1800 THB) each way.

Any suggestions or referrals will be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]I travel between BKK and Hua Hin several times a year and always use Thai Happy Taxi. Reliable and decent standard of 'luxury' sedan.

BKK to Pataya is 1,550 thb - [URL]https://www.thaihappytaxi.com/WebPage/Rates.aspx[/URL].

Just pre order on Grab or Bolt. Runs like clockwork.

I prefer Bolt because their commission for the drivers is five percent less than Grab.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2963177]My trip dates are set and I've booked air and hotels. Now I just need to find a door-to-door car service from my Bangkok Hotel to my Pattaya Hotel. And presumably, my Pattaya Hotel to the BKK airport 12 days later. I can see some car service websites through Google, but they seem expensive (3000 THB+) versus what I think a Grab or Taxi might cost at around 1500-2000 THB. Not really interested in super cheap methods like the bus lines. I don't mind paying for the private ride luxury, assuming the costs are not more than $50 (1800 THB) each way..[/QUOTE]

School girl had another Suitor. That's 2 in 2 nights. I'm only observating as I walk by. Who knows how many she gets in a night.

Guy looked like a member of the Grateful Dead Band. 2024 version not 1999.

Visited BKK after many years last week Oct - 4 days. A lot has changed since before Covid. Lot more crowded (even in low season), much higher prices- incl cabs, food, beer; service is markedly down, and of course the Arab / Asian invasion. Even though lot has changed but the essence remains the same.

I stuck to Soi11 (also stayed there) - Hallary3 seems to be the got to place. Plenty of FLs, going price seems 2. 5-3. 5 / 4-5 K LT. You can negotiate and set expectations. You need to work the place to find and hook up. Picked a couple 7+ - one of them was great, another not so much. Couple Vietnamese too here.

Other Soi11 bars - Not much action. Next door Juicy, etc - Nothing. Levels entrance was very steep minimum 4200 for drinks - avoided.

SWs in Soi11 - plenty some good too, of course watch out for Lady Boys. Pick them early. Found a out good one - 2 K / ST.

Thermae - This place is a totally crazy zoo. No place even to stand / walk. Literally hundreds of girls (Fri / Sat) standing in this huge circle. The place is not easy to navigate. Girls - 5 - 7, 7+ rare. Found one 2. 5 K. Poor service.

Thai Friendly - Sent some msgs (you need spend some time) - found one - 7-, cheap (er), better service. OK.

Soi7 / 7/1 - some BJ actions. So so. Action has shifted out of these areas.

Nana - The usual. Had some drinks. Nothing else.

Kazaki - found one late night in one of the outdoor restaurants - was really hot 9+ 4k/8k. She was acting like a Diva - so better judgement prevailed and avoided. Kazaki sightings rare but saw another too in Soi11.

Arab / Asian (and African too) Invasion - Long time ago it was limited to Soi3 - Bamboo bar and Grace Hotel (Bamboo bar was a happening place along time ago - now just an Arab food place). Now you see Halal signs all the way to Soi21. Definitely the complexion of the place has drastically changed. Africans guys (and SW girls) - the guys seem upto no good.

Once you get reconciled to new reality - Things fall in place, Overall satisfactory trip - Not great.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;2963176]Arrived Monday afternoon in Bangkok enroute to my 12th yoga-focused winter in Chiang Mai. Will be in BKK only two nights.

First stop a return to Sakura Akasuri on Thong Lor for the sea-salt body scrub, salt tapping, and massage. Always feel so clean and refreshed after. The only unfortunate thing about Sakura Akasuri is that the ladies want 1000 baht just to take their top off while finishing the session with a handjob. I just decline, seems too expensive. But they are good at the salt scrub, tapping, and massage, so I always go there after arriving. It is a little bit of heaven.

Had dinner, went back to my room, planning to rest a bit and head out to Snow White or Boss. Having just finished a 28-hour trip from southern California, I fell asleep and woke in the middle of the night.

Next day I did some sightseeing and returned for my third time to Madame Claude just off Soi 26 for a 1-hour massage, BJ, sex. It is a little more upscale, a little pricy (2500 baht for 60 min), but a lot of fun. The MMS remembered me from last year which is both surprising and nice. I prefer older ladies, being older myself, so I asked who the oldest ladies were. There were two in their late 30's, but both looked like early 20's. I chose Jenny, had a very fun and erotic time. Left very happy. I would recommend Jenny anytime..[/QUOTE]Please do let us know how you get on in Chang Mai please? I'm looking for Thai mongering destinations OTHER than BKok or Pattaya.

Thank you!

Hi everyone hope you all are doing well. I am travelling to Bangkok next week for 2 days. I have been to Bangkok earlier also but for 1 day only because mostly I visited other cities like phuket and krabi but this time I am going to Bangkok for 2 days and would appreciate if you guys would help me out with some leads regarding good massage parlors for sex, smooci and other places where I can get good escorts because one of my friend got trapped with a lady boy so I want to be careful.

Please help me with.

- good massage parlors where I can find good sex.

- is smooci a legit website there or is there something else to find something online?

-any good clubs there to find escorts.

Any info will be appreciated, my pm is open and I can reciprocate with good contacts and leads in Delhi and Bangalore.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2963312] Africans guys (and SW girls) - the guys seem upto no good.[/QUOTE]Appears to be more and more young black men along Suk in the evenings. I often wonder how they make a living given they don't appear to be selling anything and they don't appear to be pimping any women. Are they just living off the earnings of one of the Soi 4 skanks?

[QUOTE=Babaji69;2963328]Hi everyone hope you all are doing well. I am travelling to Bangkok next week for 2 days. I have been to Bangkok earlier also but for 1 day only because mostly I visited other cities like phuket and krabi but this time I am going to Bangkok for 2 days and would appreciate if you guys would help me out with some leads regarding good massage parlors for sex, smooci and other places where I can get good escorts because one of my friend got trapped with a lady boy so I want to be careful.

Please help me with.

- good massage parlors where I can find good sex.

- is smooci a legit website there or is there something else to find something online?

-any good clubs there to find escorts.

Any info will be appreciated, my pm is open and I can reciprocate with good contacts and leads in Delhi and Bangalore.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you can just be bothered to read back as far as yesterday's posts, all your questions will be answered.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2963356]Appears to be more and more young black men along Suk in the evenings. I often wonder how they make a living given they don't appear to be selling anything and they don't appear to be pimping any women. Are they just living off the earnings of one of the Soi 4 skanks?[/QUOTE]No. They are selling cocaine. Very bad quality cocaine (so I've been told).

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2963357]If you can just be bothered to read back as far as yesterday's posts, all your questions will be answered.[/QUOTE]Ya think? And an offer to trade info on Bangalore? Who goes to monger in Bangalore?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2963356]Appears to be more and more young black men along Suk in the evenings. I often wonder how they make a living given they don't appear to be selling anything and they don't appear to be pimping any women. Are they just living off the earnings of one of the Soi 4 skanks?[/QUOTE]Pimps, drug dealers and general African scamming scum. They whisper to you as you pass by. Last time I was walking past them, it was cocaine. My rule is to be as rude to them as possible.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2963326]Please do let us know how you get on in Chang Mai please? I'm looking for Thai mongering destinations OTHER than BKok or Pattaya.

Thank you![/QUOTE]Wow. Not even looking at the list of forums here?

[QUOTE=WeingutFritz;2963292]Just pre order on Grab or Bolt. Runs like clockwork.

I prefer Bolt because their commission for the drivers is five percent less than Grab.[/QUOTE]I prefer Grab because there are more cars and they treat their drivers better. If Grab is 5% more expensive on a 100 baht fare, I think that most of us here can afford the 20 US cents, and if you can't, why are you here?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2963356]Appears to be more and more young black men along Suk in the evenings. I often wonder how they make a living given they don't appear to be selling anything and they don't appear to be pimping any women. Are they just living off the earnings of one of the Soi 4 skanks?[/QUOTE]As I said these guys are "upto no good" - seemingly selling 'stuff'.

Thanks for the great suggestions!

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2963177]My trip dates are set and I've booked air and hotels. Now I just need to find a door-to-door car service from my Bangkok Hotel to my Pattaya Hotel. And presumably, my Pattaya Hotel to the BKK airport 12 days later. I can see some car service websites through Google, but they seem expensive (3000 THB+) versus what I think a Grab or Taxi might cost at around 1500-2000 THB. Not really interested in super cheap methods like the bus lines. I don't mind paying for the private ride luxury, assuming the costs are not more than $50 (1800 THB) each way.

Any suggestions or referrals will be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Babaji69;2963328]Hi everyone hope you all are doing well. I am travelling to Bangkok next week for 2 days. I have been to Bangkok earlier also but for 1 day only because mostly I visited other cities like phuket and krabi but this time I am going to Bangkok for 2 days and would appreciate if you guys would help me out with some leads regarding good massage parlors for sex, smooci and other places where I can get good escorts because one of my friend got trapped with a lady boy so I want to be careful.

Please help me with.

- good massage parlors where I can find good sex.

- is smooci a legit website there or is there something else to find something online?

-any good clubs there to find escorts.

Any info will be appreciated, my pm is open and I can reciprocate with good contacts and leads in Delhi and Bangalore.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Easy Peasy. RTFF. This is Thailand, not Delhi, Bangalore. We don't need no stinkin' contacts here.

But if you can't be bothered to avail yourself of the info that others have taken the time to post on the various threads pertinent to your questions, then you can use the "quick and easy" connection:

Go to Terminal 21. Stand at the bottom of the escalator between floors 3 and 1 (yes, the LONG escalator). When you see girls that [I]interest[/I] you, do your best Elvis impression, though don't play an air guitar (newbies' mistake); rather, keep your hands in your pockets as you do your pelvic gyrations. Give 'em [I]the eye[/I], if you're a REAL [I]player[/I], you'll understand, with a deep, subtle "Come on, Come on" in your best Elvis voice. Before you know it, some uniformed chauffeurs will take you to a happening [I]club[/I], free room and board, where you can have all the sex (anal, oral) that you want. You're welcome. Otherwise, historical [i]records[/i] are your friend.

Thanks. I think I'll go with tan. She seems like the best option and most professional.

[QUOTE=WeingutFritz;2963120]We must have similar likings because I have had both!

With Emmy it was a threesome massage with one of her friends. She is a very nice girl, speaks English like a native and she looks like her photos. They drained me and it was me setting the physical limits and not them. If you are into a big butt and boobs just go for it. She is back in Bangkok after some time in Belgium. WIR. Probably not but that is because there are so many options in Bangkok and I for the most part like to try different things.

Tan is a wild one. Met her the first time for a normal session at my hotel. Wanted to do some uniform stuff but most of her gear was in Hong Kong. Ended up being all lingerie. Still a pleasant session. Next time in Bangkok I bump into her at upstairs at Penny Black. She gives me an offer around 5-6 k and came back with me. LT this time. Basically jumped me coming in the door. Had me do her BBFS up against the wall. And then kept wanting more rounds than I could manage until she left the next day. Thinking back, I feel like repeating!

Enjoy![/QUOTE]

It's off the hook now. Naked girls everywhere. The preamble for T-Ted 99.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963697]It's off the hook now. Naked girls everywhere. The preamble for T-Ted 99.[/QUOTE]You've been on a content roll lately. Inquiring minds eagerly await your next update!

Thanks K 'everything Thai This should be mandatory reading before entering Thailand for everyone.

I'd just like to stress your point about "face" further. It is not very intuitive to understand, but once you do, it'll by far be the best tool in your kit. Helping a Thai girl save face, or giving her bragging rights has always led to amazing nights for me. It's very small simple things. A common example is from girly bars. If a girl is chatting up another customer for a drink and gives up after 10 minutes / after customer refuses, volunteering to buy her a drink. Or else picking the 3rd /4th best lookers to buy drinks / chat despite the best 2 being available etc.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963030]Navigating interactions with Thai working girls in Bangkok can sometimes be a challenge, especially considering the many stories ranging from disengaged attitudes and mechanical experiences to refusals of BBFS and runners or girls asking for money upfront. As a result, it's essential to approach these situations with strategy and awareness to ensure you have a positive experience. Below, I'll share some proven tips that have worked for me over the years. While no method is foolproof, these approaches can significantly improve your chances of achieving a mutually enjoyable encounter. Bangkok is much more different than Pattaya guys.

1. Presentation Matters.

First impressions count. Ditch the ragged look, such as flip-flops, tank tops, and unkempt attire, as they send the wrong signal. Instead, opt for well-fitted clothes, polished shoes, and good grooming. Cleanliness, deodorant, and a touch of cologne can go a long way. Thai women often respect men who look well put-together, successful, and healthy. A polished appearance makes them more comfortable and relaxed, which can lead to a more enjoyable and intimate connection. The girls in Bangkok spend hours getting ready to go to the clubs and often look amazing in their dresses and high heels. Try going to Flamingo in Emquartier or Thonglor Soi 10 and you will know exactly what I mean..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963697]It's off the hook now. Naked girls everywhere. The preamble for T-Ted 99.[/QUOTE]Come on man be honest most of them are fat.

Yes, I have read the many reports going back and forth. I used to think better than PH because of the potential scams in PH and didn't have that experience in BKK but this time seemed more bad than good.

Thermae. Got turned down by 2 cute girls. Decided to leave. Came back a few times but never found anything I liked and having to buy a drink each time I came in was not ideal. The SW outside were a bad choice. Tried 2 different girls with the same results. Girl gets to hotel and demands money first. I show have it but want to wait until after. She refuses to get shower and leaves. Other girl was preg and tried to cause a scene to get more money for doing nothing. I paid her to leave the other girl just left. Price was 2000 plus hotel.

SWs on Nana used to be my favorite. Found a lot of gems. This time was more Ladyboys and older than before. Price was 1. 500 to 3. 000. The most I paid was 2. 000 plus hotel. Russian girl turned out to be great and had a good body. The cute Vietnamese girl was not interested but then said would do a 3 some with her older friend.

Patpong Night Market bar fined one girl for here. Had to also pay for lady drinks. Total cost was close to 6. 500 but the girl was cute and I wanted to try. Had a great experience but not into paying BF and lady drinks. I do like the idea of maybe getting drinks and having fun without the take out.

Fiwfans tried 2 girls. 1 was great. She was into everything and the price was 1400. The other one the manager sent me to wrong room. Then when I got to "correct" room the girl was a little older and did not want to do 69 and her BJ was bad. Same price 1400. These places are a little outside the center but found 8 listings from same area. I like the price but picking from fake pictures and YMMV reviews are not easy.

I had more fun in Pattaya because of beach life, great resort, and lots of food and girl choices. BKK as been said is becoming overrun with tourist and tourist followers. I had fun and enjoyed my visit, just not sure I will rush to go back until "off season".

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2963790]Yes, I have read the many reports going back and forth. I used to think better than PH because of the potential scams in PH and didn't have that experience in BKK but this time seemed more bad than good.

Thermae. Got turned down by 2 cute girls. Decided to leave. Came back a few times but never found anything I liked and having to buy a drink each time I came in was not ideal. The SW outside were a bad choice. Tried 2 different girls with the same results. Girl gets to hotel and demands money first. I show have it but want to wait until after. She refuses to get shower and leaves. Other girl was preg and tried to cause a scene to get more money for doing nothing. I paid her to leave the other girl just left. Price was 2000 plus hotel.

SWs on Nana used to be my favorite. Found a lot of gems. This time was more Ladyboys and older than before. Price was 1. 500 to 3. 000. The most I paid was 2. 000 plus hotel. Russian girl turned out to be great and had a good body. The cute Vietnamese girl was not interested but then said would do a 3 some with her older friend.

Patpong Night Market bar fined one girl for here. Had to also pay for lady drinks. Total cost was close to 6. 500 but the girl was cute and I wanted to try. Had a great experience but not into paying BF and lady drinks. I do like the idea of maybe getting drinks and having fun without the take out.

Fiwfans tried 2 girls. 1 was great. She was into everything and the price was 1400. The other one the manager sent me to wrong room. Then when I got to "correct" room the girl was a little older and did not want to do 69 and her BJ was bad. Same price 1400. These places are a little outside the center but found 8 listings from same area. I like the price but picking from fake pictures and YMMV reviews are not easy.

I had more fun in Pattaya because of beach life, great resort, and lots of food and girl choices. BKK as been said is becoming overrun with tourist and tourist followers. I had fun and enjoyed my visit, just not sure I will rush to go back until "off season".[/QUOTE]I hope having to buy a 100 baht drink in Thermae didn't break you.

If you would have read the forum you wouldn't have selected girls outside the Thermae. Your first experience, when the "girl" wants the money and refuses to shower? Ladyboy.

Now tell us where you found a Russian streetwalker?

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2963723]Thanks K 'everything Thai This should be mandatory reading before entering Thailand for everyone.

I'd just like to stress your point about "face" further. It is not very intuitive to understand, but once you do, it'll by far be the best tool in your kit. Helping a Thai girl save face, or giving her bragging rights has always led to amazing nights for me. It's very small simple things. A common example is from girly bars. If a girl is chatting up another customer for a drink and gives up after 10 minutes / after customer refuses, volunteering to buy her a drink. Or else picking the 3rd /4th best lookers to buy drinks / chat despite the best 2 being available etc.[/QUOTE]Don't get all hero worshippy, hes just reciting the eternal basics that have been repeated ad nauseum here.

Guys: If you are planning YOUR FIRST trip to Bangkok it beehoves you to STUDY as much of this Board as humanly possible.

For my last "first" trip, I went back about 10 years from the last time I had been there.

I skim out the reports about girls more than 6 months old.

You can also use the search functions, and read all the posts ever written as to a subject. For example, I just saw a post about a Russian streetwalker. I immediately did a search to find what I was looking for, then I was able to ask the appropriate question of the poster with a bit of knowledge in my head.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963030]Navigating interactions with Thai working girls in Bangkok can sometimes be a challenge, especially considering the many stories ranging from disengaged attitudes and mechanical experiences to refusals of BBFS and runners or girls asking for money upfront. As a result, it's essential to approach these situations with strategy and awareness to ensure you have a positive experience. Below, I'll share some proven tips that have worked for me over the years. While no method is foolproof, these approaches can significantly improve your chances of achieving a mutually enjoyable encounter. Bangkok is much more different than Pattaya guys.

1. Presentation Matters.

First impressions count. Ditch the ragged look, such as flip-flops, tank tops, and unkempt attire, as they send the wrong signal. Instead, opt for well-fitted clothes, polished shoes, and good grooming. Cleanliness, deodorant, and a touch of cologne can go a long way. Thai women often respect men who look well put-together, successful, and healthy. A polished appearance makes them more comfortable and relaxed, which can lead to a more enjoyable and intimate connection. The girls in Bangkok spend hours getting ready to go to the clubs and often look amazing in their dresses and high heels. Try going to Flamingo in Emquartier or Thonglor Soi 10 and you will know exactly what I mean.

2. Generosity Goes a Long Way.

Being generous doesn't mean being a "Simp. Small, thoughtful gestureslike buying a few drinks or leaving consistent tipscan make a big impact. In Thai culture, maintaining "face" is crucial, and your generosity can help the ladies feel proud in front of their peers. This often translates into better experiences later. This is one of my best strategies. The money I spend depends on the quality of the lady.

For example, once I bought pizzas for the staff at a bar I frequented, and it completely transformed the evening with my chosen companion. On another occasion, a simple dinner at a rooftop bar made my date express her gratitude with a passionate and memorable night. It cost only a few thousand Baht for cocktails and some appetizers. It's not about overspending; it's about showing respect and making them feel valued.

3. Don't Sweat the Small Stuff.

Flexibility is key. Thai women generally dislike overly talkative or detail-oriented men during these encounters. If you relax and go with the flow, many of the specificssuch as certain preferences or restrictionsbecome less of an issue. A genuine connection often leads to a more organic and enjoyable time. This is one of the key strategies that I use to get BBFS.

4. Respect and Politeness.

A little respect goes a long way. Learn basic Thai phrases, ask about their lives, and treat them courteously. Simple gestures, like opening doors or showing interest in their stories, can deepen their comfort level with you. Remember, these women are individuals with real emotions and lives outside their work sometimes. Approaching them with empathy and kindness will often lead to better outcomes.

5. Lighten the Mood.

While alcohol isn't necessary, getting your companion tipsy can help ease inhibitions and foster a relaxed atmosphere. The goal is not to push boundaries, but to create a comfortable environment where both you and the lady can enjoy themselves without awkwardness.

6. Foreplay is Key.

Many experiences hinge on how you approach intimacy. Taking time to please her, especially through foreplay or other thoughtful gestures, can make all the difference. If she feels cared for and satisfied, she's more likely to reciprocate in kind.

While these methods aren't guaranteed to work for everyone every time, they've proven successful for me throughout my time in Thailand over the past 16 years. A respectful, considerate approach tends to yield the best results. Whether you're on holiday or you are an expat, following these principles can help ensure memorable and enjoyable experiences with the ladies in Bangkok. Again, the er is a huge contrast between mongering in Bangkok and mongering in Pattaya. Pattaya is a tourist beach town. That should be enough right there to enlighten you.[/QUOTE]Well stated. I for one will certainly emphasize the importance of your first point. Bangkok is not a beach town. But I see dudes walking around in shorts, flip-flops, and wife beaters all the time. Many are unshaven and unkempt. Thai people put a premium on appearance and cleanliness as is stated above. The only time I ever wear shorts in Bangkok is at the gym. I usually take two to three showers a day, change clothes at least twice, ensure that I am well groomed and that includes meticulous manscaping and trimming of armpit hair as well. Also be clean shaven guys. Asian women for the most part do not like beards and mustaches and stubble isn't going to get you anywhere. Save the ragged look for Pattaya.

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2963790]Yes, I have read the many reports going back and forth. I used to think better than PH because of the potential scams in PH and didn't have that experience in BKK but this time seemed more bad than good.

Thermae. Got turned down by 2 cute girls. Decided to leave. Came back a few times but never found anything I liked and having to buy a drink each time I came in was not ideal. The SW outside were a bad choice. Tried 2 different girls with the same results. Girl gets to hotel and demands money first. I show have it but want to wait until after. She refuses to get shower and leaves. Other girl was preg and tried to cause a scene to get more money for doing nothing. I paid her to leave the other girl just left. Price was 2000 plus hotel.

SWs on Nana used to be my favorite. Found a lot of gems. This time was more Ladyboys and older than before. Price was 1. 500 to 3. 000. The most I paid was 2. 000 plus hotel. Russian girl turned out to be great and had a good body. The cute Vietnamese girl was not interested but then said would do a 3 some with her older friend.

Patpong Night Market bar fined one girl for here. Had to also pay for lady drinks. Total cost was close to 6. 500 but the girl was cute and I wanted to try. Had a great experience but not into paying BF and lady drinks. I do like the idea of maybe getting drinks and having fun without the take out..[/QUOTE]Do you know why the two girls in Thermae turned you down?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963030]
1. Presentation Matters.

2. Generosity Goes a Long Way.

3. Don't Sweat the Small Stuff.

4. Respect and Politeness.

5. Lighten the Mood.

6. Foreplay is Key.[/QUOTE]All valid points. Being seen as a "good heart", khun jai dee, goes a LONG way in helping to achieve success. That's not saying "overpaying", but just being seen as a nice person, no [I]entitled[/I] attitude, being respectful, physically safe. Yes, Thais pride themselves in their cleanliness. Telling a girl she's "hom", smells nice, is a real complement. "Min", stinks, is a real INSULT. As others have stated, city wear is fine, doesn't have to be designer, but beach wear... save it for the beach. Myself, beard - no bar - but then, it fits in with my character. Never had a problem with it.

Enjoy the language barrier, have fun with it. Remember, this is Thailand, she speaks Thai, and the problem is that you don't, or not that well. A few simple phrases go a long way. Learn from her.

Just the other day, a regular I've known for a long time told me, "Always happy to see you. You make me laugh, AND I can laugh around you. Others, too serious". It's BUSINESS, transactional, without a doubt. But if you've ever worked customer service, there are some you like to see, and others, rather not.

I've said MANY times: you treat her like an orifice, she'll be an orifice. You treat her like a person, she'll be a person.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2963848]Well stated. I for one will certainly emphasize the importance of your first point. Bangkok is not a beach town. But I see dudes walking around in shorts, flip-flops, and wife beaters all the time. Many are unshaven and unkempt. Thai people put a premium on appearance and cleanliness as is stated above. The only time I ever wear shorts in Bangkok is at the gym. I usually take two to three showers a day, change clothes at least twice, ensure that I am well groomed and that includes meticulous manscaping and trimming of armpit hair as well. Also be clean shaven guys. Asian women for the most part do not like beards and mustaches and stubble isn't going to get you anywhere. Save the ragged look for Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I close my eyes and read that advice from you verbatim in my head since you've had the courtesy and decency to post it probably 50 times over the past 20 years.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2963912]Do you know why the two girls in Thermae turned you down?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]They were probably confident they would get pulled. They were 2 of the best girls in there, a lot of younger asian guys walking around, and like EverythingThai said, I did not look the part to pull the hot young girls. I prefer the scatchy parts so try not to dress to nice to attract unwanted attention. Term was not my focus I just wanted to see.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2963821]I hope having to buy a 100 baht drink in Thermae didn't break you.

If you would have read the forum you wouldn't have selected girls outside the Thermae. Your first experience, when the "girl" wants the money and refuses to shower? Ladyboy.

Now tell us where you found a Russian streetwalker?[/QUOTE]It wasnt about the money, it was having to go to the bathroom after all the drinking between all of the different places. Yes, I thought maybe ladyboy or she was on her period and going to try the BJ only shit. I didn't pay her and she left. The girls outside thermae, you mean the girls coming out of Termae, because the girls on the street towards Nana were not good and like someone else said a lot of dudes trying to sell drugs to you.

Nana Plaza on block with the other foreigners and she was not pure russian, but blonde and white.

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2964126]It wasnt about the money, it was having to go to the bathroom after all the drinking between all of the different places. Yes, I thought maybe ladyboy or she was on her period and going to try the BJ only shit. I didn't pay her and she left. The girls outside thermae, you mean the girls coming out of Termae, because the girls on the street towards Nana were not good and like someone else said a lot of dudes trying to sell drugs to you.

Nana Plaza on block with the other foreigners and she was not pure russian, but blonde and white.[/QUOTE]You mean down the street from Nana Plaza towards ladyboy corner and soy 6? Where the Vietnamese and African girls hang out?

Went to Nana Plaza last night. Jesus, what a dumpy area especially compared to where my hotel is in phrom phong. The bts was packed like sardines at 10 pm. I went through basically every decent lookinggogo / bar in like an hour. From what I've read the minimum price here is like 5000 baht, which is waaaayy too much for the kinda girls being offered here. Nothing above an 8, even in billboard. Outside it was decent for the price at 2 k but I wasn't feeling any of the girls. Walked down to wood bar and got the best BJ of my life. This lady was deep throating me for 20 minutes and sucked the soul out of me. Best experience in Bangkok so far and only 1000 baht. Never orgasmed from a BJ before. Buncha degenerates on that street trying to sell you drugs. I hopped on the last bts back to my hotel and went to sleep exhausted. I'm a country guy so the hustle and bustle of this city is getting to me.

If you saw that as "hero" "worship", I feel bad for your heroes and whatever you worship. Given you've opened the door to a mutual exchange of unsolicited advice, let me repay you with my shiny 2 Satang.

Satang 1: if one has no tangible, easy to understand, yet unknown information to add to a conversation, one is better off saying nothing.

Satang 2: why so sour bro?

Satang bonus for free: for people who have access to multiple markets, often unpredictably timed by higher powers beyond our control, a fundamental understanding of the underlying social / cultural best practices is far more valuable than something like "pussy 10 at 69 soi 69 is 20 baht cheaper and attached to a body 100 grams lighter than pussy 20 at 96 soi 96". This is especially true in a rapidly evolving world.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2963825]Don't get all hero worshippy, hes just reciting the eternal basics that have been repeated ad nauseum here.

Guys: If you are planning YOUR FIRST trip to Bangkok it beehoves you to STUDY as much of this Board as humanly possible.

For my last "first" trip, I went back about 10 years from the last time I had been there.

I skim out the reports about girls more than 6 months old.

You can also use the search functions, and read all the posts ever written as to a subject. For example, I just saw a post about a Russian streetwalker. I immediately did a search to find what I was looking for, then I was able to ask the appropriate question of the poster with a bit of knowledge in my head.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hcqygauqas;2963008]Hi everyone,

I found these 2 on MR as was thinking of booking them but I've heard mixed reviews about their listings. If anyone has any experience or reviews on the either of the 2 please share.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-bangkok/tanxxx65[/URL]

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-bangkok/emmy-thai-belgium-mix[/URL]

Thanks.[/QUOTE]They both look juicy. Looking forward to check them out this Jan.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2964135]Nothing above an 8, even in billboard. Outside it was decent for the price at 2 k but I wasn't feeling any of the girls. Walked down to wood bar and got the best BJ of my life. This lady was deep throating me for 20 minutes and sucked the soul out of me. Best experience in Bangkok so far and only 1000 baht. Never orgasmed from a BJ before..[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that about Billboard. When I visited last year it had really good talent, although you did have to sift through some 6-7's. Rainbow 5 had a decent selection too. I return next week so I'm eager to see how things have developed.

A question about Wood Bar. What was their lineup like? Older MILFS? Or are there some girls there in their 20's. Early 30's?

Good luck on the rest of your trip.

After a nice four nights stay in Pattaya, I took a 11:30 am bus to Ekkamai station in Bangkok for 131 be. From there it was a pretty easy walk even with luggage to the BTS station. A few stops later I got off at Asok station and walked the rest of the way to Ruamchitt Hotel which is right above Thermae Cafe. I booked this hotel for two nights for this convenience. *.

Compared to Pattaya, I didn't find as many opportunities for Thai street food in the Nana Sukhumvit area compared to where I was in Pattaya. In fact much of the area near Nana Plaza was middle eastern and Indian rather than Thai cuisine. *.

So I walked back past Ruamchitt and went into the big Terminal 21 shopping mall and on the 5th floor was this awesome food court called Pier 21 with lots of cheap but decent food. This is a food court similar to the one near the buses at the Bangkok airport where you load up a payment card and it gets scanned each time you order a dish. I liked this place so much I decided to eat here both my nights. I got free breakfast at Ruamchitt Hotel.

For my first night I simply went downstairs to Thermae. As expected I was directed right away by what I would consider as a rude staff guy to buy a drink. I ordered a pineapple juice for 80 be which was a bit higher than any venue I went to in Pattaya. At about 10 am the place was packed with girls and there were lots of guys walking the circuit to view the girls on both sides. *.

I already knew that at Thermae, the girls were not allowed to make the first move unlike those at Soi 6 in Pattaya. But a few did touch my arm as I walked by and many said Hello, (I'm Asian Canadian by the way). I would say that 80% of the guys there were Asian while the rest were Caucasian and Indian. *.

I settled on one pretty little MILF who wanted 2,500 be and since this was my first night there I agreed. She wasted no time once I started a conversation with her if I wanted to take her. So pretty well straight to business. *.

She submitted her ID with front desk at Ruamchitt and back to my room we went. Once in my room she turned up the AC and turned most of the lights off. She claimed that she was shy and we showered separately. *.

The session was okay but not great nor GFE at all. She allowed me to take a photo of us afterwards though. I did not accompany her back downstairs. *.

For my next day, I had planned to do some touristy things and visit the Grand Palace and what Arun via the tourist river boat but I felt I was coming down with a sinus throat infection a day before so I decided to just spend the day inside resting rather than go out in the 33 see daytime heat. Otherwise I would have visited these attractions and I won't miss them on my next trip to Bangkok*.

When it was almost sunset hours later, I walked to Picasso Massage near the Westin Hotel and Terminal 21. I was greeted by a friendly mamasan who showed me the rates and called out the girls for a five girl lineup. I chose the one I thought I recognized from their website and did the standard room 60 minutes at 2,500 be. *.

The room my girl brought me to was smaller than the photos on the website. I got shower for two, a nice oil back and legs massage followed by FS. She finished me off with an oil HJ at my request when I couldn't finish inside her which happens with me at times. Then she showered me again. Overall I had a decent session. *.

However, my session at Picasso wasn't what I had expected. After the session both the mamasan and my girl showed me one of the bigger rooms with an air mattress where they do body to body massage. This is what I thought I would be getting and what I had come to Picasso for. Then mamasan and I had a nice pleasant chat and it turned out that there was some misunderstanding and I paid for the wrong category of service. Their body to body services all start at 3,000 be for an hour with nuru or oil which I would have paid for. Oh well, I missed out on getting at least one soapy, oily or nuru body to body session on this trip. I did walk into two soapy places while in Pattaya but the girls at the rates I was willing to pay were all fairly chunky in my opinion. *.

Afterward my session at Picasso I walked three minutes to Terminal 21's food court for my final meal in Thailand. I also walked over to check out the Soi Cowboy scene and must report that it is now a mini version of Pattaya Walking Street loaded with lots of general tourists. So although there are girls available there, it just isn't a pure mongering scene like it was years ago. *.

The next morning I had to check out early and walked over to the MRT station near the Westin to go one stop for the airport train as I had a morning flight out. My short stay in Bangkok is certainly a very small sample size but I did do my best to report what I did experience over two nights. I'll be the first on admitting that this is way too short stay. I would have liked to try and out at least two different Thermae girls and at least one body to body massage with FS. I'll plan for a longer stay next time. *.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2964169]If you saw that as "hero" "worship", I feel bad for your heroes and whatever you worship. Given you've opened the door to a mutual exchange of unsolicited advice, let me repay you with my shiny 2 Satang.

Satang 1: if one has no tangible, easy to understand, yet unknown information to add to a conversation, one is better off saying nothing.

Satang 2: why so sour bro?

Satang bonus for free: for people who have access to multiple markets, often unpredictably timed by higher powers beyond our control, a fundamental understanding of the underlying social / cultural best practices is far more valuable than something like "pussy 10 at 69 soi 69 is 20 baht cheaper and attached to a body 100 grams lighter than pussy 20 at 96 soi 96". This is especially true in a rapidly evolving world.[/QUOTE]Your post is absolutely senseless. Why so hostile bro.

[QUOTE=Rollox;2964170]They both look juicy. Looking forward to check them out this Jan.[/QUOTE]They look overpriced, too old and photoshopped. But to each his own.

[QUOTE=FriendlyGuyHi;2964175]Sorry to hear that about Billboard. When I visited last year it had really good talent, although you did have to sift through some 6-7's. Rainbow 5 had a decent selection too. I return next week so I'm eager to see how things have developed.

A question about Wood Bar. What was their lineup like? Older MILFS? Or are there some girls there in their 20's. Early 30's?

Good luck on the rest of your trip.[/QUOTE]I've been to billboard 14 times this year approximately and almost every time it was full of hotties. On the other hand last time I went to to look at the girls in wood bar, last month it was, I ran screaming back up theSoi in sheer horror at the site of the beasts on offer. Everyone's taste is different I reckon, but I usually insist on having female humans so maybe that's why there is such a differentiation in the reports about quality.

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2964126]It wasnt about the money, it was having to go to the bathroom after all the drinking between all of the different places. [/QUOTE]Pardon me for stating the obvious, but you do not have to drink what you bought every time. On the rare occasions I will tour through most of the nana or soi cowboy go-go bars looking for someone I like, I too will have to buy a drink of something unless it's just a quick peek inside. After a few bars, I'll be leaving most of my drinks untouched as I exit one bar and enter the next. Just think of the drink as a cover charge.

[QUOTE=FriendlyGuyHi;2964175]Sorry to hear that about Billboard. When I visited last year it had really good talent, although you did have to sift through some 6-7's. Rainbow 5 had a decent selection too. I return next week so I'm eager to see how things have developed.

A question about Wood Bar. What was their lineup like? Older MILFS? Or are there some girls there in their 20's. Early 30's?

Good luck on the rest of your trip.[/QUOTE]I liked WoodBar. As poster says top notch BJ. I had two and both were top five stuff. To my aesthetic there are pretty girls there. Or they have a few years but were pretty. There are 800 girls and 1000 girls. I didn't see that much visual difference and took a 1000 girl. I'm going to guess the 1000's have better skills? Dunno but it was fabulous.

I suggest you don't go straight for optics. That's not what you are there for. Pick a girl who is cute but maybe has a few extra pounds or extra years. You won't be sorry. Top world BJ experience and I've had a few.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2964176]After a nice four nights stay in Pattaya, I took a 11:30 am bus to Ekkamai station in Bangkok for 131 be. From there it was a pretty easy walk even with luggage to the BTS station. A few stops later I got off at Asok station and walked the rest of the way to Ruamchitt Hotel which is right above Thermae Cafe. I booked this hotel for two nights for this convenience. *.

Compared to Pattaya, I didn't find as many opportunities for Thai street food in the Nana Sukhumvit area compared to where I was in Pattaya. In fact much of the area near Nana Plaza was middle eastern and Indian rather than Thai cuisine. *.

So I walked back past Ruamchitt and went into the big Terminal 21 shopping mall and on the 5th floor was this awesome food court called Pier 21 with lots of cheap but decent food. This is a food court similar to the one near the buses at the Bangkok airport where you load up a payment card and it gets scanned each time you order a dish. I liked this place so much I decided to eat here both my nights. I got free breakfast at Ruamchitt Hotel.

For my first night I simply went downstairs to Thermae. As expected I was directed right away by what I would consider as a rude staff guy to buy a drink. I ordered a pineapple juice
ok is certainly a very small sample size but I did do my best to report what I did experience over two nights. I'll be the first on admitting that this is way too short stay. I would have liked to try and out at least two different Thermae girls and at least one body to body massage with FS. I'll plan for a longer stay next time. *.[/QUOTE]Decent report, definitely agree on Terminal 21. I remember once I had an 18-hour layover in Bkk, went straight to T21 ordered 5 meals (yes 5) and demolished them all. Street food is a lot better in Silom rather than Sukhumvit area.

Thermae girls have been quoting more than 3 k so it was good that you paid 2. 5 k. Some guys pickup girls for even less outside Thermae especially after closing but be very careful with ladyboys.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2964221]Pardon me for stating the obvious, but you do not have to drink what you bought every time. On the rare occasions I will tour through most of the nana or soi cowboy go-go bars looking for someone I like, I too will have to buy a drink of something unless it's just a quick peek inside. After a few bars, I'll be leaving most of my drinks untouched as I exit one bar and enter the next. Just think of the drink as a cover charge.[/QUOTE]They have fabulous ice coffee at Billboard.

Pro Tip: Ice coffee takes longer to make. Allows more cheap charlie tendencies. Adds time to your drink consumption.

That's what I love about these 5 star gyms in Bangkok. There are celebrities and models that are members. Since I am a regular, I get mistaken for one all the time. Yesterday, I was asked a couple of girls some workout questions and they thought I resembled some famous Tik Toker. There are always groupie girls looking to make a name for themselves. Very easy pickings if you have the know how and the fitness to match. Some come to even watch my daily Muay Thai workout. Had one just stand in front of me for minutes while I was running my 7 minute /1. 6 km. Not too bad for being a geezer. LOL.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2964221]Pardon me for stating the obvious, but you do not have to drink what you bought every time. On the rare occasions I will tour through most of the nana or soi cowboy go-go bars looking for someone I like, I too will have to buy a drink of something unless it's just a quick peek inside. After a few bars, I'll be leaving most of my drinks untouched as I exit one bar and enter the next. Just think of the drink as a cover charge.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and often times I'll just order a Coke, instead of beer or mixed drink. It's cheaper and I don't feel compelled to drink it. Plus, that way I don't get too drunk! LOL!

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2964221]Pardon me for stating the obvious, but you do not have to drink what you bought every time. On the rare occasions I will tour through most of the nana or soi cowboy go-go bars looking for someone I like, I too will have to buy a drink of something unless it's just a quick peek inside. After a few bars, I'll be leaving most of my drinks untouched as I exit one bar and enter the next. Just think of the drink as a cover charge.[/QUOTE]Good advice of thinking of drink as cover charge. Sunk cost as economists say.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2961501]4 times in Bangkok and you didn't do nuru? Dude, you got to try it. At least once. It's okay just for the experience, but with you and the chick sliding around, getting a grip on her to fuck is always a challenge. I don't actually prefer it. But that being said, I don't think BBFS is standard under any circumstances in Thailand unless you know the chick, discuss beforehand, or it's a place like tulip where chicks can be known to do that from the jump. Some will do it, just bring it up with her and pay a bit extra. There's more places and chicks that will do that than people realize. It's just more cash is all.

Princess Massage in Phrom Phong will go BBFS, and I think that joint has 3 other sister shops where the chicks go back and forth. Most of them are amenable to bareback for more cash.

At my age, I'm really thinking about bareback. What have I got to lose? I'm so old already. By Beelzebub's balls I wish life would kill me already. There's nothing but anxiety and pain for me these days.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know it's a bit embarrassing not to have gone so far. Haha. Definitely on the to do list for March trip. Thanks for the tip on shop. If considering BB I'd recommend PREP. But you need to start 14-21 days in advance and 14 days after. Strong drug but I do it only trip by trip and do not stay on it year round. Cheers to everyone that answered this post.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2964004]I close my eyes and read that advice from you verbatim in my head since you've had the courtesy and decency to post it probably 50 times over the past 20 years.[/QUOTE]LOL. It never ceases to amaze me the state some of these punters go looking for gals in. And they wonder why they are quoted extremely high prices and don't get good service.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2964135]Went to Nana Plaza last night. Jesus, what a dumpy area especially compared to where my hotel is in phrom phong. The bts was packed like sardines at 10 pm. I went through basically every decent lookinggogo / bar in like an hour. From what I've read the minimum price here is like 5000 baht, which is waaaayy too much for the kinda girls being offered here. Nothing above an 8, even in billboard. Outside it was decent for the price at 2 k but I wasn't feeling any of the girls. Walked down to wood bar and got the best BJ of my life. This lady was deep throating me for 20 minutes and sucked the soul out of me. Best experience in Bangkok so far and only 1000 baht. Never orgasmed from a BJ before. Buncha degenerates on that street trying to sell you drugs. I hopped on the last bts back to my hotel and went to sleep exhausted. I'm a country guy so the hustle and bustle of this city is getting to me.[/QUOTE]This guy isn't wrong. 1 K barfine and 4 k to girl is asking.

It's why Rainbow girls are not being barfined left and right like they used to be. It's more a Trickle now. One ugly Rainbow 5 girl said they are worth 5 k. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2962475]Hot girl at Rainbow 5. Mixed race. In 45 minutes she was approached by 5 guys. 5th one barfined her.

Quite a Hottie. No Silly Cones.[/QUOTE]There's only number 197 I personnaly think stands out in the line up so far.

Don't know what she looks like when she wakes up, but in the club I didn't see anyone better looking. Some of the others are not bad too, but so many elusive girls in that place. Too many avoid eye contact or disappear quickly once they finish their round of dancing.

So far I've met only drink hustlers with no ST in sight in that tiny shithole.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2964794]There's only number 197 I personnaly think stands out in the line up so far.

Don't know what she looks like when she wakes up, but in the club I didn't see anyone better looking. Some of the others are not bad too, but so many elusive girls in that place. Too many avoid eye contact or disappear quickly once they finish their round of dancing.

So far I've met only drink hustlers with no ST in sight in that tiny shithole.[/QUOTE]There was one that was so hot in there that I let myself be drink hustled. But I will say, that I did get one of the best blowjobs of my life out of there too so it's always worth a visit, especially because I go back with the staff a long time.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2964262]That's what I love about these 5 star gyms in Bangkok. There are celebrities and models that are members. Since I am a regular, I get mistaken for one all the time. Yesterday, I was asked a couple of girls some workout questions and they thought I resembled some famous Tik Toker. There are always groupie girls looking to make a name for themselves. Very easy pickings if you have the know how and the fitness to match. Some come to even watch my daily Muay Thai workout. Had one just stand in front of me for minutes while I was running my 7 minute /1. 6 km. Not too bad for being a geezer. LOL.[/QUOTE]And those weird photos are supposed to prove what? Are you just very humble or is there maybe a reason for why you didn't even pretend that you got laid by your ... "groupies"

Anyway, the Africans are upping their game by offering now half of their continent instead of just Tanzania. And quite a few of them are utmost stunners. They used to be my backup for if I can't find anything interesting in Nana - sadly this seems to be almost the rule now. Seems like Nana is becoming the backup. There's only one good club in that Plaza - I don't know why it gets never mentioned on here. Oh well, I do know - cause you guys just have no taste. I've several times checked out Billboard - there was literally never even a single lady I would have considered even taking money from for offering sex to her.

And Thermae - I franlky speaking don't even know why this place still exists.

Hunny Bunny BKK nothing new for months ... 7 Heaven according to their website menu also nothing new it seems for years.

I fear it's starting to show that Thailand is aging fast.

With a little time and effort I still find my fun but it seems this business is on a downward spiral.

The only sub-sector that appears to flourish is the one with the ladyboys ... to bad I'm only into ladygirls.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2959000]Love T-Ded 99..[/QUOTE]Great report. Thank you for the intel. I'm eager to try it next week when I arrive in Bangkok.

Just out of curiosity. Do you happen to know if Rainbow Club Saphankwai is a similar establishment. It was featured in one of the Japanese language YouTube videos and it appears to similar in many ways. I was wondering if you'd ever tried it.

How long have you lived in Thailand?

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2965070]And those weird photos are supposed to prove what? Are you just very humble or is there maybe a reason for why you didn't even pretend that you got laid by your ... "groupies"

Anyway, the Africans are upping their game by offering now half of their continent instead of just Tanzania. And quite a few of them are utmost stunners. They used to be my backup for if I can't find anything interesting in Nana - sadly this seems to be almost the rule now. Seems like Nana is becoming the backup. There's only one good club in that Plaza - I don't know why it gets never mentioned on here. Oh well, I do know - cause you guys just have no taste. I've several times checked out Billboard - there was literally never even a single lady I would have considered even taking money from for offering sex to her.

And Thermae - I franlky speaking don't even know why this place still exists.

Hunny Bunny BKK nothing new for months ... 7 Heaven according to their website menu also nothing new it seems for years..[/QUOTE]Well we have to take your opinions with a grain of salt considering you find the African girls and ladyboys hot and the Thai girls not.

But to each his own.

If you are lucky to run into the short stocky African dude on Suk wearing a black cap, he can hook you up with an absolute 20 ish African gem. She was a 99% face and body match for Tyla. Just a tad darker. But still red boned. Small, bite size, and perky. Price, fair similar to a run of the mill Thermae girl. Saw her in Pattaya on another random occasion near the swing tree, -500 cheaper. Absolute wild cat in bed that swallows whole to the last drop. Allowed pics for some BonChon. So yeah, Don't be afraid of that "Hey bro, where you from" pitch by the Nigerians on Suk. Bawling like a MacBook Pro!

[QUOTE=FriendlyGuyHi;2965078]Great report. Thank you for the intel. I'm eager to try it next week when I arrive in Bangkok.

Just out of curiosity. Do you happen to know if Rainbow Club Saphankwai is a similar establishment. It was featured in one of the Japanese language YouTube videos and it appears to similar in many ways. I was wondering if you'd ever tried it.

How long have you lived in Thailand?[/QUOTE]My understanding is its similar, but I have never been.

Tded is fun but can be expensive.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2965176]If you are lucky to run into the short stocky African dude on Suk wearing a black cap, he can hook you up with an absolute 20 ish African gem. She was a 99% face and body match for Tyla. Just a tad darker. But still red boned. Small, bite size, and perky. Price, fair similar to a run of the mill Thermae girl. Saw her in Pattaya on another random occasion near the swing tree, -500 cheaper. Absolute wild cat in bed that swallows whole to the last drop. Allowed pics for some BonChon. So yeah, Don't be afraid of that "Hey bro, where you from" pitch by the Nigerians on Suk. Bawling like a MacBook Pro![/QUOTE]I wouldn't touch one of those nasty black Africans with a ten-foot pole.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2965153]Well we have to take your opinions with a grain of salt considering you find the African girls and ladyboys hot and the Thai girls not.

But to each his own.[/QUOTE]Which is probably why he didn't name the only good club in Nana according to him.

Full of LB 100%.

Went to check out Thermae Saturday night at around 8:00 pm.

Lots of girls, most 6-7's. 10% were 8's.

When you first enter you see the younger ones. As you keep walking it seems like they get older and the oldest ones are at the end.

Not much happening. Lot of Asian guys just looking at the girls.

Went to check out Nana Plaza on Sunday around 10 pm.

Went to Billboard and there were maybe 12-15 girls total. Most were 5-6's. Where were the hot ones? Were they already picked?

Checked the Rainbow next door. Even worse. Really small stage. Maybe 5 girls? Where the hot ones already picked?

Checked out Rainbow on the second floor. I forgot which Rainbow it was, but there was a long stage. Maybe 30 girls total. 15 girls would go on stage for about 10 min, and then they changed to another 15 girls.

Lot's of hot girls! 7-9's. Maybe 10% were 8 and 9's.

I'm curious about these girls.

How much money do you think they make from drinks, and short times with their clients?

Do these girls have other jobs? Some of them are hot enough to just date rich guys or do escorting. Why do they have to dance at Rainbow?

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2965213]I wouldn't touch one of those nasty black Africans with a ten-foot pole.[/QUOTE]But you would be interested in a white South African girl I take it?

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2965535]Went to check out Thermae Saturday night at around 8:00 pm.

Lots of girls, most 6-7's. 10% were 8's.[/QUOTE]It only opens at 8 pm, so no suprise there wasn't much of a line up.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2965541]It only opens at 8 pm, so no suprise there wasn't much of a line up.[/QUOTE]Sorry I think I was there around 8:30 pm- 9:15 pm.

The room had a lot of girls lined up. The room was full of guys too and no seats to sit on.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2965535]Went to check out Thermae Saturday night at around 8:00 pm.
Checked out Rainbow on the second floor. I forgot which Rainbow it was, but there was a long stage. Maybe 30 girls total. 15 girls would go on stage for about 10 min, and then they changed to another 15 girls.

Lot's of hot girls! 7-9's. Maybe 10% were 8 and 9's.

I'm curious about these girls.

How much money do you think they make from drinks, and short times with their clients?

Do these girls have other jobs? Some of them are hot enough to just date rich guys or do escorting. Why do they have to dance at Rainbow?[/QUOTE]I spoke with one girl of Raimbow for long.

They have a fixed salary, just to stay dancing. This one is already a lot time more than a waitress gain in 12 hours.

They gain something for every drink.

The ones that accept sex with clients, I think the most part, get 4000 bath for 1 hour sex. They can chose the client.

So this is te reason. They are free girls, looking for money. A lot of money for what they agree to do, and with a specific clients.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2965642]I spoke with one girl of Raimbow for long.

They have a fixed salary, just to stay dancing. This one is already a lot time more than a waitress gain in 12 hours.

They gain something for every drink.

The ones that accept sex with clients, I think the most part, get 4000 bath for 1 hour sex. They can chose the client.

So this is te reason. They are free girls, looking for money. A lot of money for what they agree to do, and with a specific clients.[/QUOTE]Not only that but these dancers can earn a serious amount from these bars. If you take it as an average, 2-3 clients a night, 6 days a week. Let's just call it 10 k x6= 60 k.

Even if they only work 3 weeks (obviously 1 week off for when they have period)=180 k.

Plus tips / ladies drinks perhaps extra 60-80 k= 250 k.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2965537]But you would be interested in a white South African girl I take it?[/QUOTE]There aren't any that are working the streets in Bangkok. I've had a boer Backpacker and she was okay, hell of a lot cleaner and prettier than those black African girls. You can get them cheap though so that's why they're popular, some folks will shove there Willie in anything if it's cheap.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2965537]But you would be interested in a white South African girl I take it?[/QUOTE]Yep. If she fit my criteria in terms of looks and attitude. Wouldn't be my first choice though.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2965541]It only opens at 8 pm, so no suprise there wasn't much of a line up.[/QUOTE]Depending on the night though they go charging in at 8:00 to get the first rush.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2965642]I spoke with one girl of Raimbow for long.

They have a fixed salary, just to stay dancing. This one is already a lot time more than a waitress gain in 12 hours.

They gain something for every drink.

The ones that accept sex with clients, I think the most part, get 4000 bath for 1 hour sex. They can chose the client.

So this is te reason. They are free girls, looking for money. A lot of money for what they agree to do, and with a specific clients.[/QUOTE]Wow, so if they have 4 short times a week, that's about $480 a week or $24 k a year! Or do they get sponsors or looking for husbands?

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2965772]Wow, so if they have 4 short times a week, that's about $480 a week or $24 k a year! Or do they get sponsors or looking for husbands?[/QUOTE]Popular ones are doing more than one ST per night.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2965656]There aren't any that are working the streets in Bangkok. I've had a boer Backpacker and she was okay, hell of a lot cleaner and prettier than those black African girls. You can get them cheap though so that's why they're popular, some folks will shove there Willie in anything if it's cheap.[/QUOTE]A boer Backpacker? And you're telling me to stay away from the Burkha babes. Don't worry, I'm way up north, actually visiting Karen hill tribe long necks today, and that really is a no go.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2965645]Not only that but these dancers can earn a serious amount from these bars. If you take it as an average, 2-3 clients a night, 6 days a week. Let's just call it 10 k x6= 60 k.

Even if they only work 3 weeks (obviously 1 week off for when they have period)=180 k.

Plus tips / ladies drinks perhaps extra 60-80 k= 250 k.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have never actually every been to a gogo in nana as you would know then (from simple observation) that your estimations are complete nonsense.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2965722]Yep. If she fit my criteria in terms of looks and attitude. Wouldn't be my first choice though.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure you wouldn't be her's either LOL.

[QUOTE=Mari1256;2965805]A boer Backpacker? And you're telling me to stay away from the Burkha babes. Don't worry, I'm way up north, actually visiting Karen hill tribe long necks today, and that really is a no go.[/QUOTE]She was actually pretty hot. Blonde girl.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2965772]Wow, so if they have 4 short times a week, that's about $480 a week or $24 k a year! Or do they get sponsors or looking for husbands?[/QUOTE]4 short time a week? :-the.

They take short time not to go sleeping after, but to do more work in the same night. I think they can also do 3-4 short at night.

Yeah, beautifull ones can gain A LOT of money. More that a lot of their client.

Not only 24 K $ a year, so 2000 $ a month. It may be 2000 $ a week, so 100 K $ a year. Plus sponsor.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2965854]Sounds like you have never actually every been to a gogo in nana as you would know then (from simple observation) that your estimations are complete nonsense.[/QUOTE]It could be said a FEW girls make obscene money. This 2- 3 barfines is unusual but I've seen girls who can pull it off. One for over 20 years. The Rainbow Superstar. No more tho as I'm pretty sure she has Face fillers, not so Hot anymore.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2965855]Pretty sure you wouldn't be her's either LOL.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't want to be. I have zero use for Africans.

[QUOTE=Mari1256;2965805]A boer Backpacker? And you're telling me to stay away from the Burkha babes. Don't worry, I'm way up north, actually visiting Karen hill tribe long necks today, and that really is a no go.[/QUOTE]There's a great porn video online of a long necked Karen girl.

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;2965854]Sounds like you have never actually every been to a gogo in nana as you would know then (from simple observation) that your estimations are complete nonsense.[/QUOTE]A lot of posters on this website go off of "can earn" as if every time the chick enters work there is a guy waiting to buy her drinks or take her. Like her getting money is like picking leaves off a tree. Even if it was that way, these chicks do not have the western thought of getting all the money available incessantly as the Westerners on this site are calculating. They actually have the thought that I have gotten enough money for now and I will come back next time to get more money as needed. They are not trying to aim for 12,000 baht in 1 day if 4,000 baht is sufficient.

My girl was working at a coffee shop and this hooker would always come through talking about how guys at the bar were giving her 3000 baht a pop. But when rent was due, for some reason the chick was always needing to borrow money from my girl who was probably making no more than 500 per day. She asked someone why the girl is always broke if these guys are giving her so much money. She was told that she gambles it away on the game on her cell phone.

Then there are other chicks that keep loaning mfs money knowing they are not going to pay it back. I think religion teaches them to have a good heart sometimes to their own detriment.

Long ass trip from Rio but happy to be back. Ready to get the most of this DTV visa.

Slept during the day and resigned up Thai friendly. Got hit up from a 20 year old from Ubon Ratchathani. Claimed she just broke up with her boyfriend (said girlfriend due to language issues) and basically said she wanted me to fuck her hard because she hasn't had sex in 3 months. Agreed to 1500 baht and I could cum as much as I was want. Sold.

She came over after 11 pm. She definitely wasnt lying about wanting to fuck. I had to tap out after second nut because she clearly can out fuck me LOL. And I wanted to see what Nana was looking like. She always was funny telling me about her Arab boyfriend use to fuck her in the ass and when she refused he brought women to their apartment and fucked them in the same bed while she was sleeping. LOL.

Went to Nana and it was packed. Had to basically walk in the streets to get around. The goal was to see the scene and see if I could grab some numbers from girls I like. Went into the go go bar area but just walked through to see if there was anything worth sitting down for. My opinion, there weren't much differences from what I seen on streets than in the bars. Much more real girls in the streets so lots of choices. I got a few numbers. They all started at 3000 but easily accepted 1500. Before I was about to go grab some food and go home, I saw a very nice stomach to hip to ass ratio on a Kenyan that caught me off guard. Grabbed the number and got some shawarma on Arab street. Negotiated 1500 with her and told her to meet me at my apartment. Long story short, enjoyed an amazing ass for two more nuts and the picture speak for themselves. Happy to be back.

This is a trip report! Hat tip to ya brother!

[QUOTE=Global00;2966112]Long ass trip from Rio but happy to be back. Ready to get the most of this DTV visa.

Slept during the day and resigned up Thai friendly. Got hit up from a 20 year old from Ubon Ratchathani. Claimed she just broke up with her boyfriend (said girlfriend due to language issues) and basically said she wanted me to fuck her hard because she hasn't had sex in 3 months. Agreed to 1500 baht and I could cum as much as I was want. Sold.

She came over after 11 pm. She definitely wasnt lying about wanting to fuck. I had to tap out after second nut because she clearly can out fuck me LOL. And I wanted to see what Nana was looking like. She always was funny telling me about her Arab boyfriend use to fuck her in the ass and when she refused he brought women to their apartment and fucked them in the same bed while she was sleeping. LOL.

Went to Nana and it was packed. Had to basically walk in the streets to get around. The goal was to see the scene and see if I could grab some numbers from girls I like. Went into the go go bar area but just walked through to see if there was anything worth sitting down for. My opinion, there weren't much differences from what I seen on streets than in the bars. Much more real girls in the streets so lots of choices. I got a few numbers. They all started at 3000 but easily accepted 1500. Before I was about to go grab some food and go home, I saw a very nice stomach to hip to ass ratio on a Kenyan that caught me off guard. Grabbed the number and got some shawarma on Arab street. Negotiated 1500 with her and told her to meet me at my apartment. Long story short, enjoyed an amazing ass for two more nuts and the picture speak for themselves. Happy to be back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2966131]This is a trip report! Hat tip to ya brother![/QUOTE]Why are you so excited? Because some dude that goes to Brazil banged some fat assed African?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2923533]I'm sorry sir but you don't know what you are talking about. I don't know NapaSlapper so I can't vouch for him. However I live in Bangkok and can give boots on the ground information.

There are currently 3 go-go bars in Nana that have full nudity that I'm aware of and there are probably more. Geshia in the tub, Angelwitch on stage and Spankys during shows.

As you stated there are also several in Soi Cowboy. Crazy House, Suzy Wong and Long Gun that I know of and in Baccara the girls are topless with short skirts and no underwear.[/QUOTE]Geisha (In Nana Plaza) has full nudity in the tub. The girls are lathered in soap. Actually, the girls aren't technically naked because their private parts are covered in soap. They get naked when they rinse off. I've been looking for full nudity in Nana for years. I thought I peeked in or had a beer in all the bars at Nana. I guessed I missed this one.

There is no nudity at Angelwitch. Had a beer there. Always peeked in every year. Never had any full nudity.

Had a beer at Spanky. Didn't stay for the show. I asked the door girl if there was full nudity. She said no. Didn't observed full nudity the last few years when I stopped by.

Are there any other places in Nana that has full nudity?

At Soi Cowboy, didn't observe full nudity at Dollhouse (I was there for 1 beer).

There is full nudity now at that new go-go bar, Bad Beat.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2966174]Geisha (In Nana Plaza) has full nudity in the tub. The girls are lathered in soap. Actually, the girls aren't technically naked because their private parts are covered in soap. They get naked when they rinse off. I've been looking for full nudity in Nana for years. I thought I peeked in or had a beer in all the bars at Nana. I guessed I missed this one.

There is no nudity at Angelwitch. Had a beer there. Always peeked in every year. Never had any full nudity.

Had a beer at Spanky. Didn't stay for the show. I asked the door girl if there was full nudity. She said no. Didn't observed full nudity the last few years when I stopped by.

Are there any other places in Nana that has full nudity?

At Soi Cowboy, didn't observe full nudity at Dollhouse (I was there for 1 beer).

There is full nudity now at that new go-go bar, Bad Beat.[/QUOTE]Random has a tub also. And the girls get fully nude. They don't always cover much with the bubbles. There is a stunner in there. One of the hottest girls I've seen in Thailand. Goddess when the clothes come off.

[QUOTE=Bugged;2966276]Random has a tub also. And the girls get fully nude. They don't always cover much with the bubbles. There is a stunner in there. One of the hottest girls I've seen in Thailand. Goddess when the clothes come off.[/QUOTE]Issue is the hottest girls don't usually go nude. It's usually the not-pretty ones. I mean, there are 'some' pretty ones. But the vast majority of beautiful ones / model ones don't do it. And are up on the bikini poles.

Damn Gina! The Tyla look alike had a small body and slim waist for an African girl, but her booty was no where near like that of those pics. Way too much ass for this Big Brown Dick with a curve. Tyla wannabe had nice perky tits though. Nips light for a red bone. Still trying to figure out why she was cheaper in Pattaya than BKK. Her pussy her call, I guess. Madagascaranian Coconut Bar mafia price control? LOL.

Lucky for you, that's what I like. That's what I like. The rest of the show is floating somewhere in the Hub. Getting hard while painting with your mother!

[QUOTE=Bugged;2966276]Random has a tub also. And the girls get fully nude. They don't always cover much with the bubbles. There is a stunner in there. One of the hottest girls I've seen in Thailand. Goddess when the clothes come off.[/QUOTE]Was that the go-go bar on the second floor next to Spankys? If so, it didn't have full nudity. I went into that bar because they tricked me. The girls in the tub are visible from the outside (full nudity bars are more discreet). The girl's private parts were fully covered by the soap suds. I thought they were naked. I checked, by tipping a few baht. They had a bottom bikini on. But they were topless.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2966174]At Soi Cowboy, didn't observe full nudity at Dollhouse (I was there for 1 beer).[/QUOTE]Dollhouse has full nudity on the second floor.

Thanks for responding and I plan on saving up also.

[QUOTE=LuvChicas;2960497]YES! : CHAI! If you ever return, hope you get to enjoy your chocolate.[/QUOTE]

Hello everyone,

Thanks a lot for the all the info posted on the forums!

I will be in Bangkok for a few days in January and the T-Ded 99 seems like a lot of fun, but I wondered if since I do not speak a word of Thai past Hello, and thanks and since I don't drink alcohol I could still enjoy it to the fullest, or if it would just be weird for the girls and I should stick to massage parlour or TF?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Luka17;2966564]Hello everyone,

Thanks a lot for the all the info posted on the forums!

I will be in Bangkok for a few days in January and the T-Ded 99 seems like a lot of fun, but I wondered if since I do not speak a word of Thai past Hello, and thanks and since I don't drink alcohol I could still enjoy it to the fullest, or if it would just be weird for the girls and I should stick to massage parlour or TF?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I wouldn't make it a priority for a first or second visit. I don't go anymore to those clubs because I don't drink.

- Last night at Spanky's, there was no full nudity during that fake lesbian show. Only topless.

- No full nudity at Random 1 or Random 2.

- In Soi Cowboy, the name of the new bar that has fulll nudity is Bad Beach (Not Bad Beat). Not too many girls are nude. Last night on Sunday, only observed 1. On Saturday, I thought I saw at least 3.

- IMO, no cuties are nude at Geisha (only couple, in my tough scale, are 5 or 6). Mostly ugly at Bad Beach. 1 decent one at Dollhouse (maybe a 7). There are usually a few decent ones at Crazy House. But I was there around 2 am couple of days ago. Mostly ugly; I guess you have to go early to see the best ones. At Dollhouse, the barfines goes lower for the nude dancers (800 baht) and/or they are able to leave after 11 pm. Assuming it's similar at the other bars that was nudity.

[QUOTE=JustLoggedInto;2966288]Issue is the hottest girls don't usually go nude. It's usually the not-pretty ones. I mean, there are 'some' pretty ones. But the vast majority of beautiful ones / model ones don't do it. And are up on the bikini poles.[/QUOTE]In Geisha there's one good looking girl in the tub. I realized it only recently, I would see the girl walking around sometimes but never saw her on the stage (I never take a seat near the tub).

That's when I went to the toilet I saw her nude with the soap on. I think her number is 820, a big tatoo on the back, some big bolt-ONS, and a nice overall figure.

I don't speak Thai and I've been. If you're very chilled out, you'll enjoy. Use translate app for regular stuff like ordering / negotiating.

Here's what I would do if I were you:

1. Before going be mentally prepared for it to be a complete dud.

2. Use the first hour to decide if you will continue here or go elsewhere.

3. Get a private room.

4. When manager asks if you want company, discuss with him using translate app.

5. Check the line up and start with ONLY 1 girl (only thing I wish I did differently- I got 3).

6. Build a rapport with the girl, let her order food she likes.

7. Use girl as translator / guide going forward.

8. Always accept a lap dance offer. It's a no brainer for 100 baht.

You'll need to be careful about the first girl you pick to join you and don't be embarrassed to ask for a replacement if you don't vibe (you'll still pay for both, but it's hardly anything).

[QUOTE=Luka17;2966564]Hello everyone,

Thanks a lot for the all the info posted on the forums!

I will be in Bangkok for a few days in January and the T-Ded 99 seems like a lot of fun, but I wondered if since I do not speak a word of Thai past Hello, and thanks and since I don't drink alcohol I could still enjoy it to the fullest, or if it would just be weird for the girls and I should stick to massage parlour or TF?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2966696]In Geisha there's one good looking girl in the tub. I realized it only recently, I would see the girl walking around sometimes but never saw her on the stage (I never take a seat near the tub).

That's when I went to the toilet I saw her nude with the soap on. I think her number is 820, a big tatoo on the back, some big bolt-ONS, and a nice overall figure.[/QUOTE]Haha, she is ex-Tycoon and apparently new to the tub, claimed she never did that, LOL. She had wonderful assets even before she decided to go silly. Seems I have to revisit Geisha but then I need take her out. Hmmmm. Bam is the name BTW. Any more info on pm strictly on pm.

FA.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2966728]I don't speak Thai and I've been. If you're very chilled out, you'll enjoy. Use translate app for regular stuff like ordering / negotiating.

Here's what I would do if I were you:

1. Before going be mentally prepared for it to be a complete dud.

2. Use the first hour to decide if you will continue here or go elsewhere.

3. Get a private room.

4. When manager asks if you want company, discuss with him using translate app.

5. Check the line up and start with ONLY 1 girl (only thing I wish I did differently- I got 3).

6. Build a rapport with the girl, let her order food she likes.

7. Use girl as translator / guide going forward.

8. Always accept a lap dance offer. It's a no brainer for 100 baht.

You'll need to be careful about the first girl you pick to join you and don't be embarrassed to ask for a replacement if you don't vibe (you'll still pay for both, but it's hardly anything).[/QUOTE]Great guide. I'm in Jakarta now but will be back in Bangkok on Saturday and I want to try out this place at least once, as I never got around to it last summer.

I flew to PVG SGN BKK from LAX over 5 days. I spent 2 days in Bangkok. I've been many times since 2004. Here's a quick report.

Saturday.

I spent most of the night at Nana Plaza just going from bar to bar buying a beer then moving on. Ended up at Wonderland on the 2nd floor in Nana Plaza. Pretty K-pop style girls with pale skin and very few flaws. Beers 180, buyout 1000 and one hour 4000 more. The mamasans / waitress are more aggressive than at other bars and the girls are very pretty. The customers all asian and dead beats get chased out. I closed out Nana Plaza at this club then went to Thermae and it was closed. Proceeded to Mixx club and paid the entrance fee around 4 am. Inside lots of freelancers. The most aggressive but nice african and colombian girls will approach you. I met a cute thai student 22 and chatted her up (she had a cute japanese student nerdy glasses girl look). We left to eat around 6 am and she agreed to come to my hotel for 3000 short time. Stayed a couple hours and we had nice slow sex.

Sunday.

Early evening I went to Thermae to check the lineup. Tons of girls and tons of guys. Mostly asian on both counts. There are just all types so hard to describe. I left to Thaniya RD to check the japanese area. Chose you-smile karaoke. Girls are in front in white. You go upstairs to private karaoke rooms. I paid 1800 bhat for and hour. You can mess around with the girl and see if you like her. I took her to my hotel for 4000. She was cute and happy. Good BJ and ok sex. I ended up back at wonderland in Nana Plaza. I spent the last couple hours messing around and drinking. Took and amazing hot girl home for 5000 total. Great sex and she spoke great english. BBJ and covered sex. She was a natural beauty and got hard looks from everyone when we were on the street.

Anyway not much of a report, but for a few hundred dollars its like shooting fish in a barrel. I'm from southern California so these prices are like a family trip to mcdonalds.

I've been travelling every month since 2004. In comparison I will be in Mexico City on the 21st (2. 5 hour flight). Here you just stay at a hotel (hotel patriotismo) and schedule girls from X, whatsapp and telegram. They come to the hotel and the front desk calls you to verify and let them up to your room. $100 to $600 an hour depending on the girl. Some agencies some freelance. I also visit Hong Kong club in Tijuana. $150 for and hour (30 minutes max) generally. Tons of girls from mexico and south america. Very rushed. Good luck everyone. I'll be back in February to check out the pimp club and tded99.

Hello everyone. I'm scheduled to be in Bangkok next week and planning to get some outcalls to my hotel room. Can you please suggest best practices / precautions / things I need to be careful about before I bring someone back to my hotel room / book outcall services? Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=HasherLax;2967261]I spent most of the night at Nana Plaza just going from bar to bar buying a beer then moving on. Ended up at Wonderland on the 2nd floor in Nana Plaza. Pretty K-pop style girls with pale skin and very few flaws. Beers 180, buyout 1000 and one hour 4000 more. The mamasans / waitress are more aggressive than at other bars and the girls are very pretty.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HasherLax;2967261] I ended up back at wonderland in Nana Plaza. I spent the last couple hours messing around and drinking. Took and amazing hot girl home for 5000 total. Great sex and she spoke great english. BBJ and covered sex. She was a natural beauty and got hard looks from everyone when we were on the street.[/QUOTE]Sorry to tell you mate, but Wonderland is a 100% Ladyboys Agogo in Nana plaza.

Natural beauty she was probably not, and the hard looks from everyone was probably because everyone spotted you were bringing an LB back.

As a general rule, a pretty K-pop style with pale skin is very unnatural in Thailand, and is often the result of multiple clinical surgeries including sex change.

[QUOTE=CuriousSeeker;2967273]Hello everyone. I'm scheduled to be in Bangkok next week and planning to get some outcalls to my hotel room. Can you please suggest best practices / precautions / things I need to be careful about before I bring someone back to my hotel room / book outcall services? Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Don't expect her to look like her photo.

Hi,

From India, planning to visit some place around end December. Thailand on shortlist.

Any leads on what's fun here? And what to avoid?

You can read the forum for places / activities.

IMO peak season isn't the best time for Indians.

But money almost instantly cures the girls' racism.

[QUOTE=Lammmas;2967402]Hi,

From India, planning to visit some place around end December. Thailand on shortlist.

Any leads on what's fun here? And what to avoid?[/QUOTE]

Did somebody ever been to Kapooclub in Bangkok?

I found that is like a sex massage, but more for Thai people. Workers use to be young Univeristy students or worker that do like a second job.

But I just read an general article about Kapooclub in internet. I never found it in Bangkok till now.

Have ever somebody been?

Looking for some advice on an upcoming Thailand trip as a newbie to the Thai scene as there's an overwhelming load of information when it comes to this haven.

Ultimately looking for the best ST GFE I can find, with OWO and DFK a high priority for me, and willing to extra for the hotter talent, but ideally less than what I spend in the UK (so perhaps less than 6500 bhat all in).

I will have only 2 nights in Bangkok so really keen to make sure I maximise my short windows while I'm there, and due to the logistics of the trip can't do anything overnight, but willing to use a cheap nearby hotel if that's simpler.

Appreciate your advice on best places I should go, this is my rough itinerary based on some quick research of this forum:

Night 1: Nana Plaza & or Soi Cowboy, seems like must visit places for a newbie.

Night 2: A Soapy Parlour seems like it offers a different vibe to the RLDs, I'm thinking of checking out Poseidon or maybe Aya Massage.

How does this sound?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2967356]Sorry to tell you mate, but Wonderland is a 100% Ladyboys Agogo in Nana plaza.

Natural beauty she was probably not, and the hard looks from everyone was probably because everyone spotted you were bringing an LB back.

As a general rule, a pretty K-pop style with pale skin is very unnatural in Thailand, and is often the result of multiple clinical surgeries including sex change.[/QUOTE]If Wonderland is next to Rainbow 5. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha.

Is a Hotel girl friendly is a legit inquiry.

Is Whatever Indian friendly. Gnome Saying.

[QUOTE=CuriousSeeker;2967273]Hello everyone. I'm scheduled to be in Bangkok next week and planning to get some outcalls to my hotel room. Can you please suggest best practices / precautions / things I need to be careful about before I bring someone back to my hotel room / book outcall services? Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]
1. Have pre-agreed price, services, duration, and arrival time. Tell her you expect her to look same as pictures or no money.

2. Secure valuables in your room prior to inviting her inside. Lock up all cash except what you are spending on her. Once inside, be very cautious where she is and what she is doing at all times. Declutter your room.

3. Select a hotel where she cannot get to your room unescorted. For example, need an elevator key card.

4. Meet her in lobby. If she doesn't satisfy your desires, have confrontation in lobby, not in room.

5. Collect her ID for holding by hotel staff. While her ID is in your hand, look for "Miss" or "Mrs" in the name field. Seeing a "Mr" supposedly indicates a ladyboy for life. Also check birth date and verify she is 18+.

6. Have hotel staff hold her ID while you are in room. Ask them to call the room before returning the ID. Tip the staff, I typically give about 200 baht, this is an important service that you don't want ignored.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2967479]1. Have pre-agreed price, services, duration, and arrival time. Tell her you expect her to look same as pictures or no money.

2. Secure valuables in your room prior to inviting her inside. Lock up all cash except what you are spending on her. Once inside, be very cautious where she is and what she is doing at all times. Declutter your room.

3. Select a hotel where she cannot get to your room unescorted. For example, need an elevator key card.

4. Meet her in lobby. If she doesn't satisfy your desires, have confrontation in lobby, not in room.

5. Collect her ID for holding by hotel staff. While her ID is in your hand, look for "Miss" or "Mrs" in the name field. Seeing a "Mr" supposedly indicates a ladyboy for life. Also check birth date and verify she is 18+.

6. Have hotel staff hold her ID while you are in room. Ask them to call the room before returning the ID. Tip the staff, I typically give about 200 baht, this is an important service that you don't want ignored.[/QUOTE]Sounds like FUN Times. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2967479]1. Have pre-agreed price, services, duration, and arrival time. Tell her you expect her to look same as pictures or no money....[/QUOTE]Whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you doing? Don't you know you're supposed to sneer at newbies looking for help? And demand that they read the fn forum? You must be a newbie yourself.

(Sees 1806 posts.) Oops. That was very cool of you and great advice. You, sir are a prince among men.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2967514]Whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you doing? Don't you know you're supposed to sneer at newbies looking for help? And demand that they read the fn forum? You must be a newbie yourself.

(Sees 1806 posts.) Oops. That was very cool of you and great advice. You, sir are a prince among men.[/QUOTE]555. Thanks.

African women from Kenya or any African countries can really be found lurking in Thailand huh?

[QUOTE=Global00;2966112]Long ass trip from Rio but happy to be back. Ready to get the most of this DTV visa.

Slept during the day and resigned up Thai friendly. Got hit up from a 20 year old from Ubon Ratchathani. Claimed she just broke up with her boyfriend (said girlfriend due to language issues) and basically said she wanted me to fuck her hard because she hasn't had sex in 3 months. Agreed to 1500 baht and I could cum as much as I was want. Sold.

She came over after 11 pm. She definitely wasnt lying about wanting to fuck. I had to tap out after second nut because she clearly can out fuck me LOL. And I wanted to see what Nana was looking like. She always was funny telling me about her Arab boyfriend use to fuck her in the ass and when she refused he brought women to their apartment and fucked them in the same bed while she was sleeping. LOL.

Went to Nana and it was packed. Had to basically walk in the streets to get around. The goal was to see the scene and see if I could grab some numbers from girls I like. Went into the go go bar area but just walked through to see if there was anything worth sitting down for. My opinion, there weren't much differences from what I seen on streets than in the bars. Much more real girls in the streets so lots of choices. I got a few numbers. They all started at 3000 but easily accepted 1500. Before I was about to go grab some food and go home, I saw a very nice stomach to hip to ass ratio on a Kenyan that caught me off guard. Grabbed the number and got some shawarma on Arab street. Negotiated 1500 with her and told her to meet me at my apartment. Long story short, enjoyed an amazing ass for two more nuts and the picture speak for themselves. Happy to be back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2967469]Looking for some advice on an upcoming Thailand trip as a newbie to the Thai scene as there's an overwhelming load of information when it comes to this haven. Ultimately looking for the best ST GFE I can find, with OWO and DFK a high priority for me, and willing to extra for the hotter talent. I will have only 2 nights in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]This is the third time in the past five weeks that Mr. Bangz has posted the classic lazy newbie query we see far too often: "Where are the hottest chicks? Money no object!"

Apparently his unwillingness to read the previous posts and his demand that others spoon feed him met with a poor response the first couple of times he tried. Now he's back trying again.

That should send a message: There is no substitute for doing your own homework. Go back 50 pages or six months. Read the posts, especially the more detailed trip reports. You'll get a sense for what's available at what cost. With only two nights to experiment, it's going to be hit or miss. But at least you'll be able to narrow the options.

[QUOTE=GoodSense3;2967663]African women from Kenya or any African countries can really be found lurking in Thailand huh?[/QUOTE]Lurking is a appropriate word. If you want to sink that low, indeed, there are all sorts of dusky wenches there. Do not expect good looks, real hair, or decent hygiene. Most of them speak decent English. That's a plus and in addition there to my information is that they have no standards or rules.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2967712]This is the third time in the past five weeks that Mr. Bangz has posted the classic lazy newbie query we see far too often: "Where are the hottest chicks? Money no object!"

Apparently his unwillingness to read the previous posts and his demand that others spoon feed him met with a poor response the first couple of times he tried. Now he's back trying again.

That should send a message: There is no substitute for doing your own homework. Go back 50 pages or six months. Read the posts, especially the more detailed trip reports. You'll get a sense for what's available at what cost. With only two nights to experiment, it's going to be hit or miss. But at least you'll be able to narrow the options.[/QUOTE]If I were wanting where to go to find Hot Delicious Doughnuts how far back would you recommend I read. Hahaha.

Prior to about 2023, the gogo mamasan collected just the barfine, often about 1000 baht. You would pay your girl separately in the room. That trend is changing. Last night my favored mamasan asked me to prepay the girl's fee in the bar. This was a surprise because I am a well known and favored customer with that mamasan. For years I've been paying the girl in the room and there has never been a problem. I declined payment in the bar and mamasan quickly agreed that I could pay the girl in the room.

The session went well and I paid the agreed fee of 3000. The girl looked shocked, as if she had never before received 3000 for ST. Her English was near zero, so we couldn't talk about it. I'm left with the impression that mamasan doesn't give the girl her full fee when you pay up front in the bar. I think this is much more skimming than the typical mamasan fee of 10%.

This is one more reason to refuse to pay the girl's fee to mamasan.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2967831]Prior to about 2023, the gogo mamasan collected just the barfine, often about 1000 baht. You would pay your girl separately in the room. That trend is changing. Last night my favored mamasan asked me to prepay the girl's fee in the bar. This was a surprise because I am a well known and favored customer with that mamasan. For years I've been paying the girl in the room and there has never been a problem. I declined payment in the bar and mamasan quickly agreed that I could pay the girl in the room.

The session went well and I paid the agreed fee of 3000. The girl looked shocked, as if she had never before received 3000 for ST. Her English was near zero, so we couldn't talk about it. I'm left with the impression that mamasan doesn't give the girl her full fee when you pay up front in the bar. I think this is much more skimming than the typical mamasan fee of 10%.

This is one more reason to refuse to pay the girl's fee to mamasan.[/QUOTE]She is definitely taking a big chunk, the "right" thing for us to do it to refuse paying at the bar and walking away if they don't budge. But after you already invested 10+ drinks, the lady is all over you and promised anal, you're pitching a good tent and it's 1:30 am when alternatives are about to close for the night. And the mamasan makes it clear upfront pay or no go, will you still refuse?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2959000]Arrived just after 9 PM on a Monday night. Met one of my usual girls there from Laos. I asked her to choose two more girls to join us but all her friends were off work that night. Time to take matters into my own hands I said. Off to the back area on the way to the toilets and chose two more girls. Then decided it was about time I utilized one of the Karaoke rooms. Best part about it was the sound system connected to you tube. I then became my own DJ for the rest of the night.

Girls and me got settled in and I ordered a bottle of red label. 1000 Baht including the mixers. Ordered some snack foods for the ladies and a bucket of beer. What transpired next could only be described as a mad house. Girls dancing naked on the table, grinding on my dick by all the ladies, and a blow Job by one of the other ladies. My regular then gets jealous and storms out. Ah well. Off to choose her replacement. We finished off the bottle and I ordered 6 more Heineken. By this time, I was completely plastered and so were the girls. It was approaching 2 AM and about time for my hotel run. With my regular off pouting the toilet, I was able to sneak out with two of the girls for a threesome. One Thai girl and one Laos girl. Both 21 years old with white skin and spinner type figures.

At the hotel we showered together and then jumped on the bed. They were both smashed, but surprisingly performed quite well. No girl on girl action, but both girls gave me a joint blow job, two mouths sucking on my dick. I was able to grab a short video of this as well. Classic. Then I lined them up in doggy on the bed and moved to fuck them both from behind, switching girls every minute or so. Best thing about this was no condom switching..[/QUOTE]Is this one?

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/x13d2nESdbrG9Lx39[/URL]

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2967833]She is definitely taking a big chunk, the "right" thing for us to do it to refuse paying at the bar and walking away if they don't budge. But after you already invested 10+ drinks, the lady is all over you and promised anal, you're pitching a good tent and it's 1:30 am when alternatives are about to close for the night. And the mamasan makes it clear upfront pay or no go, will you still refuse?[/QUOTE]10+ drinks? WTF! I wouldn't know about that, I go to those places to get laid, not drunk! Mamasan makes sure the girls are all over me during the first drink. I usually take her or move to the next place after 1 drink, rarely 2 drinks, occasionally 0 drinks. The situation I just referenced was a new girl and a well known mamasan, it was 1 drink and go! Mamasan makes her money when the girls get bar fined.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2967833]She is definitely taking a big chunk, the "right" thing for us to do it to refuse paying at the bar and walking away if they don't budge. But after you already invested 10+ drinks, the lady is all over you and promised anal, you're pitching a good tent and it's 1:30 am when alternatives are about to close for the night. And the mamasan makes it clear upfront pay or no go, will you still refuse?[/QUOTE]I think the moral of the story is don't wait until 1:30 am to finalise the deal.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2967831]Prior to about 2023, the gogo mamasan collected just the barfine, often about 1000 baht. You would pay your girl separately in the room. That trend is changing. Last night my favored mamasan asked me to prepay the girl's fee in the bar. This was a surprise because I am a well known and favored customer with that mamasan. For years I've been paying the girl in the room and there has never been a problem. I declined payment in the bar and mamasan quickly agreed that I could pay the girl in the room.

The session went well and I paid the agreed fee of 3000. The girl looked shocked, as if she had never before received 3000 for ST. Her English was near zero, so we couldn't talk about it. I'm left with the impression that mamasan doesn't give the girl her full fee when you pay up front in the bar. I think this is much more skimming than the typical mamasan fee of 10%.

This is one more reason to refuse to pay the girl's fee to mamasan.[/QUOTE]I was just thinking the other day why gogo bars don't charge a higher amount for bar fine. If you think about it the BF is relatively small compared to the actual fee for FS. And God knows how much it costs them to run one of these bars as well as wages, Dj, electricity, rent and so on. Because I think 1 k BF then 4-5 k to the girl if you think about it is heavily skewed in flavour of the gogo girl and obviously it's the bar that sets it.

You know you have been going into Nana too many years when staff remembers what you drink.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2967781]If I were wanting where to go to find Hot Delicious Doughnuts how far back would you recommend I read. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Well, since [B]Bunky[/B] did the heavy lifting (great naval support as always), I'll be more than happy to answer this one: start with the first week in November, but a lot easier if you just search on a [I]certain[/I] member's posts.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2967712]This is the third time in the past five weeks that Mr. Bangz has posted the classic lazy newbie query we see far too often: "Where are the hottest chicks? Money no object!"
[/QUOTE]Not being BOTG, but I'd think the hottest chicks disappeared around about min-November when the rainy season FINALLY ended. Damn... it was HOT and HUMID. Or maybe for the HOTTEST chicks, it was back when Covid was running rampant, certainly could raise the body temperature of some that'd been infected.

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2967469]Looking for some advice on an upcoming Thailand trip as a newbie to the Thai scene as there's an overwhelming load of information when it comes to this haven.

Ultimately looking for the best ST GFE I can find, with OWO and DFK a high priority for me, and willing to extra for the hotter talent, but ideally less than what I spend in the UK (so perhaps less than 6500 bhat all in).[/QUOTE]Define hot? 37-38C? 38.5-40C? Anything over 40C, you're risking a lot of paperwork, body disposal...

I've found the best instrument for detecting "hot" is your own eyeballs. As [B]Bunky[/B] said, plenty of advice on where, and I'd include spending some time in the ROD's (Reports of Distinction). Members have spent the time to post intel, only seems fair that others spend the time to read.

Given your lack of [I]co-ed[/I] accommodations, you might also want to check out the MP threads as they provide both participant and room. Some [b]GREAT[/b] intel just appeared.

Stickman weekly (google is your friend) also a good general overview of the scene.

Cheers, [B]Bunky[/B]. Seems I might be grading on a curve in my old age...

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2967831]Why avoid prepaying mamasan for your go go girl's fee.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Appreciate the info.

I'm coming in this weekend, any more Mixx reports?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2967904]10+ drinks? WTF! I wouldn't know about that, I go to those places to get laid, not drunk! Mamasan makes sure the girls are all over me during the first drink. I usually take her or move to the next place after 1 drink, rarely 2 drinks, occasionally 0 drinks. The situation I just referenced was a new girl and a well known mamasan, it was 1 drink and go! Mamasan makes her money when the girls get bar fined.[/QUOTE]I didn't express myself well. I mean 10+ lady drinks invested, not mine. I'm generous with drinks when I'm out hunting.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2967927]I think the moral of the story is don't wait until 1:30 am to finalise the deal.[/QUOTE]Well sometimes you're not watching the clock on a night out and when you notice it's almost closing time. Sometimes I'm not really looking for someone but just run into a lady that pushes all my right buttons at the end of the night.

What I'm saying is: although we should always refuse to pay upfront, sometimes sticking to that rule will mean time / money wasted and no pussy for that night. At least not the one you wanted as a first choice.

This place got a nice online review and is said to be loaded with Freelancers.

Any truth to the positive review: [URL]https://mojomatt.me/levels-club-bangkok/[/URL]#whats_the_crowdvibe_like_at_levels. I am especially interested in the availability of freelancers.

I will be in Pattaya and Bangkok for two weeks in early January. Has anyone been to Levels recently? Insanity used to be my favorite night spot, and it is now gone. Is Levels a reasonable substitute? .

I do not drink more than one beer or two in a night, so any need for bottle service is a negative.

I used to love Levels. Pre covid. It really think it has downward spiraled. Yes, plenty of freelancers but they used to be hot and then there would be some normal girls as well. The hot ones are gone. And soi 11 is very different now to what it was. It is so dominated by Indian and Middle Eastern customers now and so many street walkers. The soi used to have a little class.

Even Oscar is trending in the wrong direction. Ladies night is still worth checking out (Wednesday). Havana Social around the corner is a decent alternative but I am trying to work out myself where the new alternative to soi 11 is. Because the clientele and girls have changed the last couple of years.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2968129]This place got a nice online review and is said to be loaded with Freelancers.

Any truth to the positive review: [URL]https://mojomatt.me/levels-club-bangkok/[/URL]#whats_the_crowdvibe_like_at_levels. I am especially interested in the availability of freelancers.

I will be in Pattaya and Bangkok for two weeks in early January. Has anyone been to Levels recently? Insanity used to be my favorite night spot, and it is now gone. Is Levels a reasonable substitute? .

I do not drink more than one beer or two in a night, so any need for bottle service is a negative.[/QUOTE]

I just finished an 8 night stay in the Sala Daeng area of Si Lom, within walking distance of the Patpong night market and erotic bar area. Must admit that my internet research was a bit lacking, as I was totally unprepared for the abundance of ladyboy dance clubs and LGBTQ bars near the market. I'm not homophobic, but I was a bit unnerved by the "attention" I received while transiting the local streets at night.

Anyway, this forum has many articles about the girlie bars on Thanon Phat Phong (name from Google Maps), and several of the gals standing outside the King's Cross clubs were definitely intriguing. But strip clubs really aren't my focus in BKK, as they can be somewhat expensive and I get my fill of watching scantily-clad dancers at the two clubs where I am a regular customer in the Philippine city where I reside.

What I like best is drinking beer at small bars that have hostesses who will sit for a while in return for purchasing them a "ladies drink", from which they earn a commission. I like to talk with, learn new things from, and hold hands and receive hugs from a fun and flirty gal who will covertly rub my cock through my pants.

Unlike in the Sukhumvit area, I found only 4 cozy small bars with such an environment. Happy Bar on Patpong 1, the Zpanky's and Vinai bars on Patpong 2, and one I will name later. All had fun and friendly hostesses with varying levels of English proficiency. Alcoholic LDs range from mixed drinks to bottles of beer, priced from 170-200 baht. Non-alcoholic LDs were 120 baht, which the girls would switch to after drinking too much beer for comfort.

I realize the gals need to earn money, so I'm not shy about buying a couple of rounds and having fun, then calling it a night. Before you guys rush over there, keep in mind that most of the hostesses are aged between 40-50. There were a few younger ones, but they tend to get partnered-up quickly. Some are even in their late 50's! Not a problem for me as my goal is to have a fun companion to drink with, but I imagine they would be unacceptable for most men.

But there must be plenty of guys out there who think like me, as most every night, these bars had plenty of older Caucasian customers who just want to have fun and enjoy some laughs from gals who give plenty of attention in return.

Most of the girls eventually would ask if I wanted to "barfine" them and retire back to my hotel room. 500 baht to the bar and whatever deal you cinch with the gal. Indications were the going rate was 2000 baht for short time and 3000 baht for an all-nighter. Not great value for me, as I can get an erotic massage and an "encounter" for 2000 baht from a young cutie at a parlor near the Phrom Phong skytrain station.

Anyway, at around 11 pm, I was walking down Patpong 2 Alley toward Surawong Road, which contains a mixture of gay and straight bars. As I passed by the provocatively-named "69 Bar", a tall mini-skirted older woman with long legs and sexy shoes was sitting outside on a chair. As slightly-drunk me had more money than common sense, I followed her inside. I was the only customer and she was the only hostess on duty, so the bar was empty except for the cashier.

She was more into talking than drinking, so our beers were consumed slowly. After about 20 minutes, she caught me off-guard when she asked if I wanted a blow job for 700 baht. I asked if we were going to retreat to a back room, but she said no, she would lock the door and blow me right in the open in the bar. Well I sure couldn't say no to that!

She shooed the cashier outside, then secured a piece of plywood to the door to keep intruders away. After I lowered my cargo shorts and boxers, she started giving me a hand job while I licked her nipples, then we switched to spirited French kissing for a couple of minutes, which was erotically awesome. Then she put her deep-throating skills to work, which were superb.

One beer for me, one for her, and a memorable BJ for 990 baht. It wasn't public sex, but it was the most unsecretive BJ I've ever had. Yeah, I want to do it again.

Patpong was okay and Sukhumvit is always fun, but I think Jakarta gives a guy a lot more bang for the money. I've already booked a ticket there for next June.

[QUOTE=MapoMac;2967874]Is this one?

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/x13d2nESdbrG9Lx39[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, that's it. Don't go until 9 PM at least. Also when you walk in, don't be scared if you don't see any ladies. They are all in the back and a sitting at the far side. After you sit down, they will bring them to you in groups of about 10 or so to see. Otherwise take a stroll to the bathrooms and they will all be sitting along the back corridor.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2968148]I just finished an 8 night stay in the Sala Daeng area of Si Lom, within walking distance of the Patpong night market and erotic bar area. Must admit that my internet research was a bit lacking, as I was totally unprepared for the abundance of ladyboy dance clubs and LGBTQ bars near the market. I'm not homophobic, but I was a bit unnerved by the "attention" I received while transiting the local streets at night.

Anyway, this forum has many articles about the girlie bars on Thanon Phat Phong (name from Google Maps), and several of the gals standing outside the King's Cross clubs were definitely intriguing. But strip clubs really aren't my focus in BKK, as they can be somewhat expensive and I get my fill of watching scantily-clad dancers at the two clubs where I am a regular customer in the Philippine city where I reside.

What I like best is drinking beer at small bars that have hostesses who will sit for a while in return for purchasing them a "ladies drink", from which they earn a commission. I like to talk with, learn new things from, and hold hands and receive hugs from a fun and flirty gal who will covertly rub my cock through my pants.

Unlike in the Sukhumvit area, I found only 4 cozy small bars with such an environment. Happy Bar on Patpong 1, the Zpanky's and Vinai bars on Patpong 2, and one I will name later. All had fun and friendly hostesses with varying levels of English proficiency. Alcoholic LDs range from mixed drinks to bottles of beer, priced from 170-200 baht. Non-alcoholic LDs were 120 baht, which the girls would switch to after drinking too much beer for comfort.

I realize the gals need to earn money, so I'm not shy about buying a couple of rounds and having fun, then calling it a night. Before you guys rush over there, keep in mind that most of the hostesses are aged between 40-50. There were a few younger ones, but they tend to get partnered-up quickly. Some are even in their late 50's! Not a problem for me as my goal is to have a fun companion to drink with, but I imagine they would be unacceptable for most men.

But there must be plenty of guys out there who think like me, as most every night, these bars had plenty of older Caucasian customers who just want to have fun and enjoy some laughs from gals who give plenty of attention in return.

Most of the girls eventually would ask if I wanted to "barfine" them and retire back to my hotel room. 500 baht to the bar and whatever deal you cinch with the gal. Indications were the going rate was 2000 baht for short time and 3000 baht for an all-nighter. Not great value for me, as I can get an erotic massage and an "encounter" for 2000 baht from a young cutie at a parlor near the Phrom Phong skytrain station.

Anyway, at around 11 pm, I was walking down Patpong 2 Alley toward Surawong Road, which contains a mixture of gay and straight bars. As I passed by the provocatively-named "69 Bar", a tall mini-skirted older woman with long legs and sexy shoes was sitting outside on a chair. As slightly-drunk me had more money than common sense, I followed her inside. I was the only customer and she was the only hostess on duty, so the bar was empty except for the cashier.

She was more into talking than drinking, so our beers were consumed slowly. After about 20 minutes, she caught me off-guard when she asked if I wanted a blow job for 700 baht. I asked if we were going to retreat to a back room, but she said no, she would lock the door and blow me right in the open in the bar. Well I sure couldn't say no to that!

She shooed the cashier outside, then secured a piece of plywood to the door to keep intruders away. After I lowered my cargo shorts and boxers, she started giving me a hand job while I licked her nipples, then we switched to spirited French kissing for a couple of minutes, which was erotically awesome. Then she put her deep-throating skills to work, which were superb.

One beer for me, one for her, and a memorable BJ for 990 baht. It wasn't public sex, but it was the most unsecretive BJ I've ever had. Yeah, I want to do it again.

Patpong was okay and Sukhumvit is always fun, but I think Jakarta gives a guy a lot more bang for the money. I've already booked a ticket there for next June.[/QUOTE]Love this report mate. Keep it up. This is the kind of stuff that makes out little forum secret worth it.

In your other equally superb T-Ded report you mentioned that every now and then a girl would enter the room offering a lap dance for 100 baht. Doesn't this happen in the karaoke rooms? Are there any more significant differences between the 2 types of rooms? Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2959000]Arrived just after 9 PM on a Monday night. Met one of my usual girls there from Laos. I asked her to choose two more girls to join us but all her friends were off work that night. Time to take matters into my own hands I said. Off to the back area on the way to the toilets and chose two more girls. Then decided it was about time I utilized one of the Karaoke rooms. Best part about it was the sound system connected to you tube. I then became my own DJ for the rest of the night.

Girls and me got settled in and I ordered a bottle of red label. 1000 Baht including the mixers. Ordered some snack foods for the ladies and a bucket of beer. What transpired next could only be described as a mad house. Girls dancing naked on the table, grinding on my dick by all the ladies, and a blow Job by one of the other ladies. My regular then gets jealous and storms out. Ah well. Off to choose her replacement. We finished off the bottle and I ordered 6 more Heineken. By this time, I was completely plastered and so were the girls. It was approaching 2 AM and about time for my hotel run. With my regular off pouting the toilet, I was able to sneak out with two of the girls for a threesome. One Thai girl and one Laos girl. Both 21 years old with white skin and spinner type figures.

At the hotel we showered together and then jumped on the bed. They were both smashed, but surprisingly performed quite well..[/QUOTE]

69 bar- you received a very private session. They usually serve you on the sofa at the back after drawing the curtains, regardless of how many other customers are drinking. The curtain is all that separates you. Girls aren't lookers though so tall thin is definitely something I haven't seen there, maybe I'm overdue a visit. They'll happily oblige full service requests in the same curtain area for a few more baht. Next trip, go around 6-7 pm if you're into that kind of adventure. I like it despite the markedly unattractive older ladies simply for the partially public setting.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2968148]I just finished an 8 night stay in the Sala Daeng area of Si Lom, within walking distance of the Patpong night market and erotic bar area. Must admit that my internet research was a bit lacking, as I was totally unprepared for the abundance of ladyboy dance clubs and LGBTQ bars near the market. I'm not homophobic, but I was a bit unnerved by the "attention" I received while transiting the local streets at night.

Anyway, this forum has many articles about the girlie bars on Thanon Phat Phong (name from Google Maps), and several of the gals standing outside the King's Cross clubs were definitely intriguing. But strip clubs really aren't my focus in BKK, as they can be somewhat expensive and I get my fill of watching scantily-clad dancers at the two clubs where I am a regular customer in the Philippine city where I reside.

What I like best is drinking beer at small bars that have hostesses who will sit for a while in return for purchasing them a "ladies drink", from which they earn a commission. I like to talk with, learn new things from, and hold hands and receive hugs from a fun and flirty gal who will covertly rub my cock through my pants.

Unlike in the Sukhumvit area, I found only 4 cozy small bars with such an environment. Happy Bar on Patpong 1, the Zpanky's and Vinai bars on Patpong 2, and one I will name later. All had fun and friendly hostesses with varying levels of English proficiency. Alcoholic LDs range from mixed drinks to bottles of beer, priced from 170-200 baht. Non-alcoholic LDs were 120 baht, which the girls would switch to after drinking too much beer for comfort.

I realize the gals need to earn money, so I'm not shy about buying a couple of rounds and having fun, then calling it a night. Before you guys rush over there, keep in mind that most of the hostesses are aged between 40-50. There were a few younger ones, but they tend to get partnered-up quickly. Some are even in their late 50's! Not a problem for me as my goal is to have a fun companion to drink with, but I imagine they would be unacceptable for most men.

But there must be plenty of guys out there who think like me, as most every night, these bars had plenty of older Caucasian customers who just want to have fun and enjoy some laughs from gals who give plenty of attention in return.

Most of the girls eventually would ask if I wanted to "barfine" them and retire back to my hotel room. 500 baht to the bar and whatever deal you cinch with the gal. Indications were the going rate was 2000 baht for short time and 3000 baht for an all-nighter. Not great value for me, as I can get an erotic massage and an "encounter" for 2000 baht from a young cutie at a parlor near the Phrom Phong skytrain station.

Anyway, at around 11 pm, I was walking down Patpong 2 Alley toward Surawong Road, which contains a mixture of gay and straight bars. As I passed by the provocatively-named "69 Bar", a tall mini-skirted older woman with long legs and sexy shoes was sitting outside on a chair. As slightly-drunk me had more money than common sense, I followed her inside. I was the only customer and she was the only hostess on duty, so the bar was empty except for the cashier.

She was more into talking than drinking, so our beers were consumed slowly. After about 20 minutes, she caught me off-guard when she asked if I wanted a blow job for 700 baht. I asked if we were going to retreat to a back room, but she said no, she would lock the door and blow me right in the open in the bar. Well I sure couldn't say no to that!

She shooed the cashier outside, then secured a piece of plywood to the door to keep intruders away. After I lowered my cargo shorts and boxers, she started giving me a hand job while I licked her nipples, then we switched to spirited French kissing for a couple of minutes, which was erotically awesome. Then she put her deep-throating skills to work, which were superb.

One beer for me, one for her, and a memorable BJ for 990 baht. It wasn't public sex, but it was the most unsecretive BJ I've ever had. Yeah, I want to do it again.

Patpong was okay and Sukhumvit is always fun, but I think Jakarta gives a guy a lot more bang for the money. I've already booked a ticket there for next June.[/QUOTE]

I did get a room and never sat outside. The lap dances were offered in said room. The stage girls would walk into room after they rotated off stage to make room for other girls on stage. I didn't even know it was a thing, or how to request it, the first girl just walked in and offered. Seeing me accept, I think others followed suite. Maybe staring hungrily / making eye contact with stage girls from your room helps?

[QUOTE=JohnnieX;2968175]In your other equally superb T-Ded report you mentioned that every now and then a girl would enter the room offering a lap dance for 100 baht. Doesn't this happen in the karaoke rooms? Are there any more significant differences between the 2 types of rooms? Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]

Thank you, confrere! I think I have counfounded the users, I believe it was your post that I was referencing, about the private rooms.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2968203]I did get a room and never sat outside. The lap dances were offered in said room. The stage girls would walk into room after they rotated off stage to make room for other girls on stage. I didn't even know it was a thing, or how to request it, the first girl just walked in and offered. Seeing me accept, I think others followed suite. Maybe staring hungrily / making eye contact with stage girls from your room helps?[/QUOTE]

Hi.

I'm booked to be in Phuket come end of January, can't wait!

I'll be staying outside of Patong but can access it to avail myself of its goodies.

If I really pushed things I could spend two nights in BK as well, but it might arouse some suspicion so I'll only do it if BK offers something that I can't enjoy in Phuket. So, does BK have special that I can't experience in Ph?

Opinions please.

By the way, I'm only talking about adult activities, not general tourist related.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2968240]Hi.

I'm booked to be in Phuket come end of January, can't wait!

I'll be staying outside of Patong but can access it to avail myself of its goodies.

If I really pushed things I could spend two nights in BK as well, but it might arouse some suspicion so I'll only do it if BK offers something that I can't enjoy in Phuket. So, does BK have special that I can't experience in Ph?

Opinions please.

By the way, I'm only talking about adult activities, not general tourist related.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Bangkok is bigger, has more options, more businesses, more women, wider variety of services and better prices.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;2968148]I just finished an 8 night stay in the Sala Daeng area of Si Lom, within walking distance of the Patpong night market and erotic bar area. Must admit that my internet research was a bit lacking, as I was totally unprepared for the abundance of ladyboy dance clubs and LGBTQ bars near the market. I'm not homophobic, but I was a bit unnerved by the "attention" I received while transiting the local streets at night.
, and a memorable BJ for 990 baht. It wasn't public sex, but it was the most unsecretive BJ I've ever had. Yeah, I want to do it again.

Patpong was okay and Sukhumvit is always fun, but I think Jakarta gives a guy a lot more bang for the money. I've already booked a ticket there for next June.[/QUOTE]True about Silom area, I never knew it was such LGBTQ-friendly area. I'm absolutely not against that at all (altho I'm 1000% straight) but the only thing I'the say is that for tourists like us the hotels are typically more expensive than what you can get elsewhere. Mainly because this is the business district with many office towers just further up the road and you can see at lunchtime how many suited workers are out and about. At nighttime it is a little in-your-face when you walk around and get a bit of attention but it's fine. Agree about Jakarta, I've been visiting there every 2 months recently & it's even more addictive than mongering in Bkk.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2968240]Hi.

I'm booked to be in Phuket come end of January, can't wait!

I'll be staying outside of Patong but can access it to avail myself of its goodies.

If I really pushed things I could spend two nights in BK as well, but it might arouse some suspicion so I'll only do it if BK offers something that I can't enjoy in Phuket. So, does BK have special that I can't experience in Ph?

Opinions please.

By the way, I'm only talking about adult activities, not general tourist related.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Are you serious? Patong vs Bkk? Bangkok is another planet. Just 2 nights in Bkk are not enough.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2967460]Did somebody ever been to Kapooclub in Bangkok?

I found that is like a sex massage, but more for Thai people. Workers use to be young Univeristy students or worker that do like a second job.

But I just read an general article about Kapooclub in internet. I never found it in Bangkok till now.

Have ever somebody been?[/QUOTE]Read further back and you will find some good posts by a member (sorry, I don't remember his name, but think it was about half a year ago. Maybe he'll chime in if he's reading).

I've never been, but my impression is that it is typically younger (18+) and prettier girls, who will give you a not particularly good oil massage, that will finish with a HJ included in the price. I'm sure if you speak some Thai and are charming enough, you can "date" them later on, like any other girl, but don't think you should expect much more than a HJ. Happy to be corrected of course. ;-)

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2968340]Read further back and you will find some good posts by a member (sorry, I don't remember his name, but think it was about half a year ago. Maybe he'll chime in if he's reading).

I've never been, but my impression is that it is typically younger (18+) and prettier girls, who will give you a not particularly good oil massage, that will finish with a HJ included in the price. I'm sure if you speak some Thai and are charming enough, you can "date" them later on, like any other girl, but don't think you should expect much more than a HJ. Happy to be corrected of course. ;-)[/QUOTE]I did post a few answers responding to questions about Kapoo Clubs, but it was a bit more than "half a year ago", more like over a year ago I think. I'll try to find one of my old posts on the subject and post it as a response to Giovanni's post.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2967460]Did somebody ever been to Kapooclub in Bangkok?

I found that is like a sex massage, but more for Thai people. Workers use to be young Univeristy students or worker that do like a second job.

But I just read an general article about Kapooclub in internet. I never found it in Bangkok till now.

Have ever somebody been?[/QUOTE]I did post some information about Kapoo Clubs. If you look back you should find one of my posts about them. The best one for you would be the one I posted on 8-24-23 in the Bangkok Massage Parlors thread. Good luck.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2968243]Bangkok is bigger, has more options, more businesses, more women, wider variety of services and better prices.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

Have booked 2 days in BKK, I can't spend anymore time there than that as it will arouse suspicion amoungst family / friends.

Thanks all for your very educated reply for T ded 99, I'll give it a go and let you know how it goes.

One quick additional question, I didn't see anything regarding thai girls accepting golden shower (me on them). I guess it's just not really a thing there? Or am I mistaken?

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2968529]Thanks.

Have booked 2 days in BKK, I can't spend anymore time there than that as it will arouse suspicion amoungst family / friends.[/QUOTE]That's strange. Bangkok is an international city. Phuket is more known for sex than Bangkok. Whatever works best. Be safe.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2968540]That's strange. Bangkok is an international city. Phuket is more known for sex than Bangkok. Whatever works best. Be safe.[/QUOTE]There are probably more sex workers in Bangkok than the whole population of Phuket.

I read a lot about CIP but personally I like a No-Quit-No-Spit BJ. Is this commonly available or difficult to find?

Just wondering on a temperature check for how safe it is with freelancers I. General? Can they be found on tinder? Any scams or things you should be aware of? Typical prices for ST / LT? Also what is the policy on videos / photos typically?

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2968565]I read a lot about CIP but personally I like a No-Quit-No-Spit BJ. Is this commonly available or difficult to find?[/QUOTE]Cash is king.

A few weeks ago, I think I almost got pick pocketed by 3 very young boys.

I was pretty drunk, walking on Sukhumvit, from Soi Cowboy to Miami Hotel (Soi 13). It probably was obvious that I was drunk.

All of a sudden, 3 boys surrounded me. I turned halfway around to see one or two behind me. One boy waved a handkerchief behind me around my mid-section (probably to hide the pick). I felt something in my back pocket. That's where I keep my main money (just 1 K bills), but luckily I always keep it buttoned up.

I continued to walk a few steps, and then I realized they probably tried to pick me. I walked back and stared at them. They were on the ground. After they saw me staring at them, they immediately got up and ran away fast.

Luckily they didn't take my wallet and smart phone that were in my front pockets. You can't see it bulge out when I'm walking. Wondering If I would have noticed if they tried. I reacted slowly because I was drunk, and they weren't ladyboys.

Be careful out there, especially if you're drunk.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2968732]A few weeks ago, I think I almost got pick pocketed by 3 very young boys.

Luckily they didn't take my wallet and smart phone that were in my front pockets.

Be careful out there, especially if you're drunk.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads-up. I'm glad it didn't turn out badly for you.

I'm curious, why carry your wallet when out and about? I never carry mine. There's nothing in I'll need, except cash and maybe an ATM card, which I carry in a money clip / card holder. And a few hundred baht in another pocket. One less thing to worry about, especially when I'm drinking.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2968540]That's strange. Bangkok is an international city. Phuket is more known for sex than Bangkok. Whatever works best. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Totally wrong on that. Bangkok is the city known for sex, not Phuket.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2968540]That's strange. Bangkok is an international city. Phuket is more known for sex than Bangkok. Whatever works best. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Family / friends know that I'm not particularly fond of busy cities and I've been to BK many times (with family as tourist) and never stayed more than 48 hours.

Phuket has diving, a long time passion of mine.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2968540]Phuket is more known for sex than Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I disagree. Everyone (as in western women) knows about Phuket, there is no sex work stigma there if you tell your friends and family your are going.

I went to Phuket (Patong) in June and there were countless families. Its not known for sex tourism like BKK or Pattaya, as Phuket is massive.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2968781]Thanks for the heads-up. I'm glad it didn't turn out badly for you.

I'm curious, why carry your wallet when out and about? I never carry mine. There's nothing in I'll need, except cash and maybe an ATM card, which I carry in a money clip / card holder. And a few hundred baht in another pocket. One less thing to worry about, especially when I'm drinking.[/QUOTE]I use my wallet as a "money clip / card holder". I carry my ATM and credit card (I have 2 other sets I leave in the hotel), hotel key if it's the credit card size type, a copy of my passport, and all the small bills from 20 to 500 baht. It's easier to carry all that in one wallet, especially when I'm drunk. I carry the major money (1 K bills) in a zipped up pocket somewhere. I carry cash because I don't want to use my credit card at the go-go bars.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2968732]A few weeks ago, I think I almost got pick pocketed by 3 very young boys.

I was pretty drunk, walking on Sukhumvit, from Soi Cowboy to Miami Hotel (Soi 13). It probably was obvious that I was drunk.

All of a sudden, 3 boys surrounded me. I turned halfway around to see one or two behind me. One boy waved a handkerchief behind me around my mid-section (probably to hide the pick). I felt something in my back pocket. That's where I keep my main money (just 1 K bills), but luckily I always keep it buttoned up.

I continued to walk a few steps, and then I realized they probably tried to pick me. I walked back and stared at them. They were on the ground. After they saw me staring at them, they immediately got up and ran away fast.

Luckily they didn't take my wallet and smart phone that were in my front pockets. You can't see it bulge out when I'm walking. Wondering If I would have noticed if they tried. I reacted slowly because I was drunk, and they weren't ladyboys.

Be careful out there, especially if you're drunk.[/QUOTE]What nationality did they look like? What do you mean by pick- as in something sharp or what? And I don't get the part when you said they were on the ground as you mentioned they were standing and surrounding you.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2968565]I read a lot about CIP but personally I like a No-Quit-No-Spit BJ. Is this commonly available or difficult to find?[/QUOTE]NQ queens can be found at the BJ clubs up and down Sukh, now for NS most will have a little towel to discreetly spit out excessive saliva and / or cum when you shoot. Swallowing it all will be rare. And for a sit and shoot session, it only cost $ 800 1000 Baht + small tip. IMO very good and pretty cheap "relief".

[QUOTE=LuvChicas;2969133]NQ queens can be found at the BJ clubs up and down Sukh, now for NS most will have a little towel to discreetly spit out excessive saliva and / or cum when you shoot. Swallowing it all will be rare. And for a sit and shoot session, it only cost $ 800 1000 Baht + small tip. IMO very good and pretty cheap "relief".[/QUOTE]By using the word "queens", are you suggesting these girls are trans or gay? Of course, there are several well discussed BJ bars on this board, many with "100%" women. In fact two very close to my hotel on Soi33.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2969093]What nationality did they look like?[/QUOTE]I am assuming they were Thai. But I have trouble differentiating between Thais, Cambodians, Vietnamese, and Laotians. One looked like he was around 5 years old. The others seemed to be maybe 10 or 11.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2969093]What do you mean by pick- as in something sharp or what?[/QUOTE]Pick Pocket. I felt a tug on my back left pocket-where many people keep their wallet.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2969093]And I don't get the part when you said they were on the ground as you mentioned they were standing and surrounding you.[/QUOTE]When I was walking to my hotel; they were not on the ground; I did not see them; out of nowhere, they rapidly surrounded me.

When I came back to look at them, they were on the ground playing.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968858]I disagree. Everyone (as in western women) knows about Phuket, there is no sex work stigma there if you tell your friends and family your are going.

I went to Phuket (Patong) in June and there were countless families. Its not known for sex tourism like BKK or Pattaya, as Phuket is massive.[/QUOTE]In general it is not "to know" but what one can see when on the ground. Having said that the whole of Thailand raises some browse in farang land when a single man goes to Thailand, wherever. Even if quoting "to see temples and landscape".

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2969256]... Having said that the whole of Thailand raises some browse in farang land when a single man goes to Thailand, wherever. Even if quoting "to see temples and landscape".[/QUOTE]Exactly right! I live in farang land and just before my 3rd Thailand trip I invited my girlfriend to join me. I knew she would decline, but she also insisted that if I go it would be necessary for me to take an HIV test prior to having sex with her. She was adamant that the only reason a single man would go to any part Thailand was for the sex.

Of course, I had lots of sex during that trip and we broke up via video chat while I was still in Thailand.

Thurs night report.

Soi Nana. Usual ladyboy and African action. A paucity of deaf girls. No schoolgirl. ToTal hottie down the street across from 7-11, blonde with red dress but Vietnamese so pass.

Billboard. I've seen better nights and I've seen worse, but the music is always good, the staff excellent, the place clean and the girls friendly. I'd say 60% of the girls were doable to me.

Twister, rainbow five and bunnies were terrible, although the Mama in bunnies pointed out a very naughty girl to me. She was hot and skinny but I didn't like the shape of her ass so I passed.

There were probably a 100 plus girls at Thermae 90% of whom were doable depending on your tastes. I smashed one that literally could take it down her throat and hold it there for minutes it was wonderful.

Tonight might be a mixed night.

There was a paucity of Africans on Suk, my friend the Myanmar weed guy on the corner of soy Arab told me that the cops have been cracking down on a regular basis. There were no real table weed dealers either, and a lack of dildos. However, the lack of Africans makes the place a lot better, nothing is more annoying than enjoying your Buzz checking out the hookers when some sleazy African dude comes up and starts whispering to you. Doesn't give me a chance to use my favorite line of dude, you're from fucking africa, what the hell are you going to do for me.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2969276]Exactly right! I live in farang land and just before my 3rd Thailand trip I invited my girlfriend to join me. I knew she would decline, but she also insisted that if I go it would be necessary for me to take an HIV test prior to having sex with her. She was adamant that the only reason a single man would go to any part Thailand was for the sex.

Of course, I had lots of sex during that trip and we broke up via video chat while I was still in Thailand.[/QUOTE]In addition to cheap hookers (though not really so cheap anymore), Thailand is also famous for Thai boxing. You just need to enroll in a local thai boxing gym wherever you live, and then you can take as many study trips to Thailand as money permits.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2969223]I am assuming they were Thai. But I have trouble differentiating between Thais, Cambodians, Vietnamese, and Laotians. One looked like he was around 5 years old. The others seemed to be maybe 10 or 11.[/QUOTE]Don't feel alone. Many (most?) of people of those nationalities have the same trouble if judging soley on physical appearance. "Nationality" is merely a political designation established by lines in the sand. A while back, I posted a collage of photos of four Asian women and asked if anybody could correctly identify their nationalities. Nobody was able to do so. (The choices were simple: Thai, Cambodian, and Filippino.).

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968858]I disagree. Everyone (as in western women) knows about Phuket, there is no sex work stigma there if you tell your friends and family your are going.

I went to Phuket (Patong) in June and there were countless families. Its not known for sex tourism like BKK or Pattaya, as Phuket is massive.[/QUOTE]Learn something new everyday, I been Phuket several times and never once have I felt like I was on a massive island 🏝65039; thanks I'll look into that! Maybe I was missing a lot!.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2969164]By using the word "queens", are you suggesting these girls are trans or gay? Of course, there are several well discussed BJ bars on this board, many with "100%" women. In fact two very close to my hotel on Soi33.[/QUOTE]My intended use of Queens: was to describe an older lady, female provider. I don't see too many young legal girls at BJ bars nowadays. Enjoy the squirt!

I didn't practice this when I visited in June. One of the girls was so angry that she didn't close the room door after I denied her overnight stay. Thinking back, would it be better to register the girl at the front desk before bring her into the room for our safety? How common is this practiced here?

My regular 4 star hotel near Nana is girl friendly but registers visitors. The other day my company was denied entry because she was only 19 years old. This gem was beautiful and fresh as a daisy. I would have hated to take her to a run down motel. Thankfully the reception explained that the girl could join me if I registered her as second occupant of the hotel room. The disadvantage would be that after that I would have to pay joiner fees for any other girls that would visit me. I gladly registered her as it was my last night anyway. We had a great night and she is now my regular when I'm in Bangkok.

There is obviously a certain risk involved as the girl could later enter the room without me. But I'm happy to have found this solution and hope it might help others in a similar situation.

[QUOTE=HornyCock;2969414]I didn't practice this when I visited in June. One of the girls was so angry that she didn't close the room door after I denied her overnight stay. Thinking back, would it be better to register the girl at the front desk before bring her into the room for our safety? How common is this practiced here?[/QUOTE]What? You're upset and scared that she didn't close the door to the room when she left or am I misunderstanding?

[QUOTE=HornyCock;2969414]I didn't practice this when I visited in June. One of the girls was so angry that she didn't close the room door after I denied her overnight stay. Thinking back, would it be better to register the girl at the front desk before bring her into the room for our safety? How common is this practiced here?[/QUOTE]This is a very good question. Some hotels will force you to do it as part of their policy. Guys are shy to do it. I don't know why. Hotel staff in Bangkok have seen it all so don't be shy. It's for your own good. If you have a problem, the hotel will be able to identify the girl. Often hotels will call your room to confirm everything is ok before giving the lady back her ID. This is awesome practice. I fully recommend guys to do it. Better safe than sorry.

Many hotels have this in their policy, but the hotel staff are sometimes lazy to enforce it. Therefore just stroll up to the counter and volunteer to do it. This is the best way.

[QUOTE=JohnnieX;2968175]In your other equally superb T-Ded report you mentioned that every now and then a girl would enter the room offering a lap dance for 100 baht. Doesn't this happen in the karaoke rooms? Are there any more significant differences between the 2 types of rooms? Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]It was mentioned in both reports. The lap dances are offered inside the private rooms and also at the tables outside. Mileage is the same. They get naked or go topless in and out of the private rooms. This is my experience and I have been going here for 10 years.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2969335]Thurs night report.

Soi Nana. Usual ladyboy and African action. A paucity of deaf girls. No schoolgirl. ToTal hottie down the street across from 7-11, blonde with red dress but Vietnamese so pass.

Billboard. I've seen better nights and I've seen worse, but the music is always good, the staff excellent, the place clean and the girls friendly. I'd say 60% of the girls were doable to me.

Twister, rainbow five and bunnies were terrible, although the Mama in bunnies pointed out a very naughty girl to me. She was hot and skinny but I didn't like the shape of her ass so I passed.

There were probably a 100 plus girls at Thermae 90% of whom were doable depending on your tastes. I smashed one that literally could take it down her throat and hold it there for minutes it was wonderful.

Tonight might be a mixed night.

There was a paucity of Africans on Suk, my friend the Myanmar weed guy on the corner of soy Arab told me that the cops have been cracking down on a regular basis. There were no real table weed dealers either, and a lack of dildos. However, the lack of Africans makes the place a lot better, nothing is more annoying than enjoying your Buzz checking out the hookers when some sleazy African dude comes up and starts whispering to you. Doesn't give me a chance to use my favorite line of dude, you're from fucking africa, what the hell are you going to do for me.[/QUOTE]You all know I love the Rainbow s. Hahaha.

But I've come to the conclusion Pattaya is way better. I'm changing my last 2 weeks schedule. Holidays in Pattaya even if I have to stay 3 nights in Jomtien over New Years.

Used up 170 days in Thailand in 2024. Come on Mr Somchai get your tax khrap in order. Still nothing if I Wise myself $1,000,000 to buy Soi 6 GF a Mansion will I have to pay $300,000 tax. It matters.

I am in a pricy hostel (silly me) so don't have a room for taking a girl. One girl told me there's a short term hotel she knows for 200 Baht. Seems shady but that's how much I would want to pay for 1 hour tbh. Any recommendations please. I don't want to get robbed or have a dirty STD laden bedsheet.

Apologies in advance for asking but please don't think I have not researched on this subject I spent 2 hours here and on the Bangkok addicts forum but cannot find good recent leads.

[QUOTE=HornyCock;2969414]I didn't practice this when I visited in June. One of the girls was so angry that she didn't close the room door after I denied her overnight stay. Thinking back, would it be better to register the girl at the front desk before bring her into the room for our safety? How common is this practiced here?[/QUOTE]What does that mean "not closing the door"? Weren't you in the room? She went away and didn't shut the door behind so you had to do it? (what a big deal is this?

The 40-50 such rooms I have spent some lovely time in over the years, they seem acceptable when I enter. After I have completed my business, the room looks too disgusting for me to have ever willingly entered.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;2969647]I am in a pricy hostel (silly me) so don't have a room for taking a girl. One girl told me there's a short term hotel she knows for 200 Baht. Seems shady but that's how much I would want to pay for 1 hour tbh. Any recommendations please. I don't want to get robbed or have a dirty STD laden bedsheet.

Apologies in advance for asking but please don't think I have not researched on this subject I spent 2 hours here and on the Bangkok addicts forum but cannot find good recent leads.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;2969647]I am in a pricy hostel (silly me) so don't have a room for taking a girl. One girl told me there's a short term hotel she knows for 200 Baht. Seems shady but that's how much I would want to pay for 1 hour tbh. Any recommendations please. I don't want to get robbed or have a dirty STD laden bedsheet.

Apologies in advance for asking but please don't think I have not researched on this subject I spent 2 hours here and on the Bangkok addicts forum but cannot find good recent leads.[/QUOTE]Ive never experienced a 200 baht ST hotel. I can only imagine how bad it would be.

Turn left coming out of Nana Plaza and walk to The Tavern and turn left. There are about 4 ST hotels on that alley, I think about 300 baht per hour. I don't remember any of them to be good. As of a week ago, the first one on the right was clean enough but terrible bed in tiny room.

Better is to walk to Soi 7/1 and use Atlas Hotel. Atlas has always been satisfactory to me. Sometimes 300 baht for ST and sometimes 350 baht.

Long time reader who has benefitted immensely from this forum, so here is my first Bangkok FR. Sorry if this is too rookie for veterans here But I know there are many new mongers who are eyeing BKK for the first time. So here goes.

As someone coming from the west for the first time, I found the energy and atmosphere of BKK both electric and overwhelming at the same time. I am glad I did a ton of research on this forum and came prepared for what to expect. I make a long ambitious monger list and left mostly satisfied at the end.

My trip was during first and third week of Dec AKA "winter" here. This was the hottest most uncomfortable humid winter I have ever experienced in my life! Time to get acclimated to this weather should be factored into the game plan for westerners, since it greatly affects libido if you want to hit the ground running. I stayed in Sukhumvit area and there is quite a bit of treading around and this weather drains energy meant for the good deeds. Secondly the jet lag is real and should also be factored in to some extend. Even though I was wide awake during peak mongering period of midnight to 4 am, my libido was certainly diminished early on and affects performance. If you have the luxury of multiple weeks in BKK, I would allocate the first week to get over these two hurdles and spend time observing and taking in the sights and sounds.

On to the carnal pleasure deets, my list included the top soapies / nurus, gogo bars, pick up bars and TF.

My first soapy was doki doki but they did not get my business as no one in the line up was young enough for me and mamasan was straight up cold. I thanked the girls and rolled into Aya next, since I have heard good things about this place. Much friendlier mamasan and line up included at least one young cutie who I quickly pointed to. I sensed some kind of political hierarchy dynamic with these line ups. This young one was the only girl who did not make eye contact with me and the older women were beaming into my soul. Ignore these signals and go with the young ones if that is your thing. I received an amazing nuru from this girl and she also let me drive half the way. I did not even make it to the bed and finished on the mat. I really enjoyed the nuru sensations along with the BBBJ and intercouse all mashed up in one long script. This is a must try at least once for newbies. I also visited Analisa several days later, since I was curious about the glory hole experience. The line up was so so but I ended up doing 4 hands with one experienced masseuse and one super young novice. The young one looked stunning naked and was all over me but the routine was nothing like you see online. It was mostly rub away till he comes and that is exactly what happened. This was an ok experience but the glory hole is definitely over rated.

With the nuru box checked, next day I hit the infamous Thermae. This place should be on official tourist brochures along side what is and palaces. What an amazing sight to behold. Gorgeous ladies of all age groups lined up endlessly ready for business with the right clientele. Contrary to what I have read about wide spread discrimination of various sorts, I found the girls quite welcoming to most people. The prices are adjusted higher if the synergies are not quite there, especially with the super young ones who looked barely legal. I started chatting it up with a nice lady and buying her a drink.

We talked about her clients from the west and her day time cosmetics marketing job. Her pricing was on the lower end 2 K so I proposed that she go find me another super young girl for a 3 some. She jumped on the idea and brought back another lady who was actually her same age. After I stressed the "young as you can get part" she went shopping again and this time returned with someone who fit the bill. This new girl spoke zero English but I had chatted enough already and she was also 2 K. Loaded them up in a tuk tuk and the rest is history. Have done threesomes before but first time nailing the stacking routine if you know what I mean. Thermae was a win for me!

With another badge earned, it was TF time. To expedite the process I signed up for fremium and posted my best pics. In a matter of hours I was flooded with offers but most of them looked sketchy. I filtered on my target age range (18-21) and there was some solid talent there. My first hook up was with a 19 yr old uni student for an unbelievable 1. 5 K. When she arrived, she was not DDG but boy was she young. This one was athletic and tall about my same height, which is sometime new to try. She didn't exactly DFK but there is something about kissing girls your height where you don't have to contort your neck. Highly recommend The shower action got really steamy and she got turned on to the max and this is when I realized that we were already doggy bare backing. I almost never ever do this but for some reason I felt really secure. The rest of the session was also raw with on body release and a good shower scrub for both. This was a very rare BB encounter for me only because how young this girl was. Obviously I tipped very well and even educated her on current pricing levels for the service she was provided. I kept thinking about the encounter after she left and I couldn't help it. I asked her to return the next day which she promptly accepted. However the second visit was quite different, she went into GFE mode and chatted up with me about her hobbies, trips and international business courses. I enjoyed her company so much that sex was optional at this point. We did do the deed just to check that box and she was amazing as usual and yes it was BB again yikes She was also OK with video, which she refused on the first visit. Dined her at T21 food court and bid farewell. With so much success on TF, I summoned two more girls that actually did not work out. One was way thicker than the pics and other ultra skinny. I tipped them both for the cab and promptly dispatched them. So TF is definitely hit or miss and I did get lucky this time. However it is not that time consuming like some others have suggested, most of these girls are to the point and rapid communicators.

Now it was go go bar time. Based on my research on this forum, my obvious pick was Billboard at Nana. You really cannot go wrong with this place if you are not pinching pennies. It felt like everyone who went to NP went straight to this place. The other bars were barely running and BB was packed to the brim. First I was placed in the topless section but I graduated to the stadium quickly. Tons and tons of solid 8-10's on a never ending carousal your head will spin for days. The sights were surreal but the highlight was the sound. This DJ will put Vegas clubs to shame, simply spectacular non stop captivating beats. If you go here you have to at least pull a girl and do a LD. The one I pulled however turned out to be a proud mother of 2 so I skipped the bar fine part. But she was fun to be with. One tip is to not call up the very good dancers, they are usually the ones with some sort of mileage on them. I ended up downing several beers and was in no mood to bar fine. But no regrets at all since this was fun and next time I may go all the way. One thing for sure, the best looking top shelf talent is definitely at these reputed go gos. This might set you back a few Ks more but you come all the way to this corner of the world to let loose so just do it.

It was almost time to leave but there was one itch I had to scratch before that. The super soapies. I have heard so many mixed reviews but still wanted to check this box. I picked Poseidon (face palm: I had the flight out that evening so checked in early around noon. They are quite organized. The mamasan received my bags like a regular hotel and they had a bell desk he said I was early and there were only 3 "models" available at the moment. I thought wow "models" I only need one. Each one had a different rate ranging from 5 K to 7 K. When I was shown the line up I realized they were more like the mothers of the models, easily 30+ if not more. This was consistent with some of the reviews but I just picked the cheapest "model" for 5 K. It was a rip off but somehow I had no way to back out with my bags checked in and all. Off to a very nice room with large bed and bath tub. This place may lack talent but the facilities are top notch. The "model" unsealed a meticulously packed bag of towels with Poseidon branding. She did the routine clean up on the bath tub and when we moved to the bed she starfished. I was baffled as to what comes next as I am not a vulture who eats dead meat. She quickly realized that I am not that kind of client and "woke up". She then went through the motions all completely covered and safe. Towards the end there was a whiff of feminine oder so I ended up finishing ASAP. The lady was sweet and I could tell she already had multiple clients before me based on her hygiene level. Thankfully everything was wrapped. She led me out and gave me the Thai salute and off I went to the airport.

This was a first time experience I will obviously cherish for a while. I may return but it will be many many years later, or is that what they all say.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2969790]Ive never experienced a 200 baht ST hotel. I can only imagine how bad it would be.

Turn left coming out of Nana Plaza and walk to The Tavern and turn left. There are about 4 ST hotels on that alley, I think about 300 baht per hour. I don't remember any of them to be good. As of a week ago, the first one on the right was clean enough but terrible bed in tiny room.

Better is to walk to Soi 7/1 and use Atlas Hotel. Atlas has always been satisfactory to me. Sometimes 300 baht for ST and sometimes 350 baht.[/QUOTE]Yup I shall try Atlas, although it's a 12 minutes walk. Don't you think the FLs will count these 12 minutes in my 1 hour time, especially because I am not following their recommendes (albeit shady) hotels.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2969767]The 40-50 such rooms I have spent some lovely time in over the years, they seem acceptable when I enter. After I have completed my business, the room looks too disgusting for me to have ever willingly entered.[/QUOTE]Gotcha. Any recommendations amongst the 50 odd hotels mate? Also I am very keen on doing FLs in Sukhimvit. Would be good to connect if you are in town! Maybe I can DM you if you are ok with it.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;2969918]Yup I shall try Atlas, although it's a 12 minutes walk. [b]Don't you think the FLs will count these 12 minutes in my 1 hour time, especially because I am not following their recommendes (albeit shady) hotels.[/b][/QUOTE]WODR, you need yo gain a bit of experience in the hoing biz before you come to Bangkok.

[QUOTE=ThaiFriend;2969917]Long time reader who has benefitted immensely from this forum, so here is my first Bangkok FR. Sorry if this is too rookie for veterans here But I know there are many new mongers who are eyeing BKK for the first time. So here goes.

As someone coming from the west for the first time, I found the energy and atmosphere of BKK both electric and overwhelming at the same time. I am glad I did a ton of research on this forum and came prepared for what to expect. I make a long ambitious monger list and left mostly satisfied at the end.

My trip was during first and third week of Dec AKA "winter" here. This was the hottest most uncomfortable humid winter I have ever experienced in my life! Time to get acclimated to this weather should be factored into the game plan for westerners, since it greatly affects libido if you want to hit the ground running. I stayed in Sukhumvit area and there is quite a bit of treading around and this weather drains energy meant for the good deeds. Secondly the jet lag is real and should also be factored in to some extend. Even though I was wide awake during peak mongering period of midnight to 4 am, my libido was certainly diminished early on and affects performance. If you have the luxury of multiple weeks in BKK, I would allocate the first week to get over these two hurdles and spend time observing and taking in the sights and sounds...[/QUOTE]Nice report. Thanks especially for the intel on Thai Friendly.

Friday and Saturday last.

Schoolgirl, lookin good beleive it or not, spotted on Sukhumvit sitting on her car near Nana staircase. Her mom was there too. Later she was spotted at her usual spot near the Nana entrance.

Billboard Friday Night was as always packed with both customers and girls. The Lineup was awesome. Far as I am concerned, in terms of atmosphere, music and girls, the number one club there.

Bunnies had a few skinny younguns interspersed with pigs. Rainbow 5 was meh, but one of you pervs has to try the one with the bowl cut platinum hair and the torpedo tits, puffy lips and Japanese racoon white eyes. She was giving me squats showing off her silken covered mossy grotto. What a caricature, like an anime wet dream. Someone needs to do her and report!

Twisters: meh. Geisha. Meh.

Street action: I was only there early on Friday, the deaf girl selection was poor at Nana. There were some sweaty gorillas from Kenya strolling, however, for you dudes that like to walk on the dark side, I would note that there was one with a decent ass (ie one not the size of two pigs under a blanket) and nicer features, she had fake blonde hair. One of my bros from Memphis also grabbed one that literally was a beauty queen, but as a black American he was getting the pick of the litter, they were beating their way to his door.

There was of course a plethora of ladyboys. Interestingly, there are more and more girls hanging outside Thermae. Guess they don't want to pay the fee. The competition is huge, literally, there are 100 girls inside. Quotes to me were 2000-3500. All shapes and sizes, mostly girl next door types.

Most of the girls prefer Asians of course, but that's a function of simple economics, they are all for sale. I had one tell me she only goes with Asians and that her fee was 5,000. I told her 10,000 and she perked right up. If I would have done her, I would have made her sorry she took the offer LOL, but I bought her a drink for being a good sport.

There was another super cutie I have seen there a few time but she would always turn her head when I passed, so I talked to the staff and the next time I saw her, she tried to grab my hand. However, she will have to wait as I was on my way to an interlude with a throat.

I stayed at the Ruamchitt. When I came down at 3 am with a girl to pick up her ID, I noticed that there were about 30 of them in the basket. In the morning at 10 am, there were still 15. Lots of long time.

[QUOTE=ThaiFriend;2969917]Long time reader who has benefitted immensely from this forum, so here is my first Bangkok FR. Sorry if this is too rookie for veterans here But I know there are many new mongers who are eyeing BKK for the first time. So here goes.

As someone coming from the west for the first time, I found the energy and atmosphere of BKK both electric and overwhelming at the same time. I am glad I did a ton of research on this forum and came prepared for what to expect. I make a long ambitious monger list and left mostly satisfied at the end.

My trip was during first and third week of Dec AKA "winter" here. This was the hottest most uncomfortable humid winter I have ever experienced in my life! Time to get acclimated to this weather should be factored into the game plan for westerners, since it greatly affects libido if you want to hit the ground running. I stayed in Sukhumvit area and there is quite a bit of treading around and this weather drains energy meant for the good deeds. Secondly the jet lag is real and should also be factored in to some extend. Even though I was wide awake during peak mongering period of midnight to 4 am, my libido was certainly diminished early on and affects performance. If you have the luxury of multiple weeks in BKK, I would allocate the first week to get over these two hurdles and spend time observing and taking in the sights and sounds.

On to the carnal pleasure deets, my list included the top soapies / nurus, gogo bars, pick up bars and TF.

My first soapy was doki doki but they did not get my business as no one in the line up was young enough for me and mamasan was straight up cold. I thanked the girls and rolled into Aya next, since I have heard good things about this place. Much friendlier mamasan and line up included at least one young cutie who I quickly pointed to. I sensed some kind of political hierarchy dynamic with these line ups. This young one was the only girl who did not make eye contact with me and the older women were beaming into my soul. Ignore these signals and go with the young ones if that is your thing. I received an amazing nuru from this girl and she also let me drive half the way. I did not even make it to the bed and finished on the mat. I really enjoyed the nuru sensations along with the BBBJ and intercouse all mashed up in one long script. This is a must try at least once for newbies. I also visited Analisa several days later, since I was curious about the glory hole experience. The line up was so so but I ended up doing 4 hands with one experienced masseuse and one super young novice. The young one looked stunning naked and was all over me but the routine was nothing like you see online. It was mostly rub away till he comes and that is exactly what happened. This was an ok experience but the glory hole is definitely over rated.

With the nuru box checked, next day I hit the infamous Thermae. This place should be on official tourist brochures along side what is and palaces. What an amazing sight to behold. Gorgeous ladies of all age groups lined up endlessly ready for business with the right clientele. Contrary to what I have read about wide spread discrimination of various sorts, I found the girls quite welcoming to most people. The prices are adjusted higher if the synergies are not quite there, especially with the super young ones who looked barely legal. I started chatting it up with a nice lady and buying her a drink.

We talked about her clients from the west and her day time cosmetics marketing job. Her pricing was on the lower end 2 K so I proposed that she go find me another super young girl for a 3 some. She jumped on the idea and brought back another lady who was actually her same age. After I stressed the "young as you can get part" she went shopping again and this time returned with someone who fit the bill. This new girl spoke zero English but I had chatted enough already and she was also 2 K. Loaded them up in a tuk tuk and the rest is history. Have done threesomes before but first time nailing the stacking routine if you know what I mean. Thermae was a win for me!

With another badge earned, it was TF time. To expedite the process I signed up for fremium and posted my best pics. In a matter of hours I was flooded with offers but most of them looked sketchy. I filtered on my target age range (18-21) and there was some solid talent there. My first hook up was with a 19 yr old uni student for an unbelievable 1. 5 K. When she arrived, she was not DDG but boy was she young. This one was athletic and tall about my same height, which is sometime new to try. She didn't exactly DFK but there is something about kissing girls your height where you don't have to contort your neck. Highly recommend The shower action got really steamy and she got turned on to the max and this is when I realized that we were already doggy bare backing. I almost never ever do this but for some reason I felt really secure. The rest of the session was also raw with on body release and a good shower scrub for both. This was a very rare BB encounter for me only because how young this girl was. Obviously I tipped very well and even educated her on current pricing levels for the service she was provided. I kept thinking about the encounter after she left and I couldn't help it. I asked her to return the next day which she promptly accepted. However the second visit was quite different, she went into GFE mode and chatted up with me about her hobbies, trips and international business courses. I enjoyed her company so much that sex was optional at this point. We did do the deed just to check that box and she was amazing as usual and yes it was BB again yikes She was also OK with video, which she refused on the first visit. Dined her at T21 food court and bid farewell. With so much success on TF, I summoned two more girls that actually did not work out. One was way thicker than the pics and other ultra skinny. I tipped them both for the cab and promptly dispatched them. So TF is definitely hit or miss and I did get lucky this time. However it is not that time consuming like some others have suggested, most of these girls are to the point and rapid communicators.

Now it was go go bar time. Based on my research on this forum, my obvious pick was Billboard at Nana. You really cannot go wrong with this place if you are not pinching pennies. It felt like everyone who went to NP went straight to this place. The other bars were barely running and BB was packed to the brim. First I was placed in the topless section but I graduated to the stadium quickly. Tons and tons of solid 8-10's on a never ending carousal your head will spin for days. The sights were surreal but the highlight was the sound. This DJ will put Vegas clubs to shame, simply spectacular non stop captivating beats. If you go here you have to at least pull a girl and do a LD. The one I pulled however turned out to be a proud mother of 2 so I skipped the bar fine part. But she was fun to be with. One tip is to not call up the very good dancers, they are usually the ones with some sort of mileage on them. I ended up downing several beers and was in no mood to bar fine. But no regrets at all since this was fun and next time I may go all the way. One thing for sure, the best looking top shelf talent is definitely at these reputed go gos. This might set you back a few Ks more but you come all the way to this corner of the world to let loose so just do it.

It was almost time to leave but there was one itch I had to scratch before that. The super soapies. I have heard so many mixed reviews but still wanted to check this box. I picked Poseidon (face palm: I had the flight out that evening so checked in early around noon. They are quite organized. The mamasan received my bags like a regular hotel and they had a bell desk he said I was early and there were only 3 "models" available at the moment. I thought wow "models" I only need one. Each one had a different rate ranging from 5 K to 7 K. When I was shown the line up I realized they were more like the mothers of the models, easily 30+ if not more. This was consistent with some of the reviews but I just picked the cheapest "model" for 5 K. It was a rip off but somehow I had no way to back out with my bags checked in and all. Off to a very nice room with large bed and bath tub. This place may lack talent but the facilities are top notch. The "model" unsealed a meticulously packed bag of towels with Poseidon branding. She did the routine clean up on the bath tub and when we moved to the bed she starfished. I was baffled as to what comes next as I am not a vulture who eats dead meat. She quickly realized that I am not that kind of client and "woke up". She then went through the motions all completely covered and safe. Towards the end there was a whiff of feminine oder so I ended up finishing ASAP. The lady was sweet and I could tell she already had multiple clients before me based on her hygiene level. Thankfully everything was wrapped. She led me out and gave me the Thai salute and off I went to the airport.

This was a first time experience I will obviously cherish for a while. I may return but it will be many many years later, or is that what they all say.[/QUOTE]I don't know about going raw dude, especially these days, even during my time when condoms weren't really a thing, people were weary about going raw in Thailand. And you banged a civilian chick from ThaiFriendly? I don't know man, best you get your pecker tested out soon. Nothing serious, just the usually syphilis or gonorrhea. Check out this most recent news report about how stds are surging among young people in Thailand. They be fucking bareback all day long.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2775464/sexually-transmitted-diseases-surge-among-young[/URL]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2969790]Ive never experienced a 200 baht ST hotel. I can only imagine how bad it would be.

Turn left coming out of Nana Plaza and walk to The Tavern and turn left. There are about 4 ST hotels on that alley, I think about 300 baht per hour. I don't remember any of them to be good. As of a week ago, the first one on the right was clean enough but terrible bed in tiny room.

Better is to walk to Soi 7/1 and use Atlas Hotel. Atlas has always been satisfactory to me. Sometimes 300 baht for ST and sometimes 350 baht.[/QUOTE]I think the old ST rooms at Nana were 200.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2970120]I don't know man, best you get your pecker tested out soon. Nothing serious, just the usually syphilis or gonorrhea.[/QUOTE]About 3 weeks ago I was feeling some discomfort in my privates so I decided to get STD testing. I started by going to google maps and searched on "STD testing near me". It turns out there was a private STD clinic only about 5 minutes walk from my hotel. I took the walk, no waiting at the clinic, and got tested. Bacteria test results wouldn't be available until after I left that town, so the doctor gave me the option to treat for bacterial infections immediately, which I did. Total cost was 5300 baht and I was back at my hotel just an hour after finding the clinic on Google. 60 hours later the test results came back all negative, so the treatment was unnecessary. I assume the discomfort was from overuse.

The testing eliminated my anxiety and gave me peace of mind.

[QUOTE=ThaiFriend;2969917]

With another badge earned, it was TF time. To expedite the process I signed up for fremium and posted my best pics. In a matter of hours I was flooded with offers but most of them looked sketchy. I filtered on my target age range (18-21) and there was some solid talent there. My first hook up was with a 19 yr old uni student for an unbelievable 1. 5 K. When she arrived, she was not DDG but boy was she young. This one was athletic and tall about my same height, which is sometime new to try. She didn't exactly DFK but there is something about kissing girls your height where you don't have to contort your neck. Highly recommend The shower action got really steamy and she got turned on to the max and this is when I realized that we were already doggy bare backing. I almost never ever do this but for some reason I felt really secure. The rest of the session was also raw with on body release and a good shower scrub for both. This was a very rare BB encounter for me only because how young this girl was. Obviously I tipped very well and even educated her on current pricing levels for the service she was provided. [/QUOTE]Your first time in Thailand, and you feel the need to educate local hookers on what they should charge? I doubt most of us pay more than 1500 for TF-girls in Bangkok, and no tip expected.

Good and informative report otherwise.

One afternoon, as I was returning to my room after a quick T21 lunch, a cute 20 year old in full uniform launched herself at me outside the super legit looking J&Kmassage at 99. She shoved the menu at my face and flashed the most adorable Thai smile I have seen so far. I heard "oil massage good for you sir" but I was so captivated by her looks my legs auto stalled and my eyes locked in with hers. I went in for 1 HR foot massage as I was due for one anyway, even though they were slightly more expensive. As usual I expected to settle in the recliner and doze off into eternity but shortly through the session she started unleashing her pretty impressive flirting skills. Things got really cozy quickly and I was blowing kisses and she was getting all luvy dovvy with me. For a foot massage? Towards the end she offered that I take another 30 minutes "upstairs" for an oil massage. I straight up asked her if she meant happy ending and she said yes) There were several legit Asian tourists right next to us but maybe they no speak English. That is when I learnt there are no strictly legit message places in sukh area. I respectfully declined as I had more exiting plans for the evening and I asked her if she wanted to join me for dinner sometime. She said she liked Sushi and informed me about a bar fine like arrangement with the boss to make that happen. She said 10 K for dinner and all night with "I give you twice" promise. Apparently half of this goes to the owner. All young masseuse are encouraged to entice clients this way and try to make this lucrative arrangement happen. Told her 10 K is bit on the higher side and offered 6 K which she declined and said let's connect later. We exchanged line info and she messaged me the next day that she is off work and can go for all day date with night action for 6 K and no need to comp owner as it is her day off. I told her I will get back but ended up with my TF girl that night and never had the time to reconnect after that. If I ever return I hope she is still around. The ubiquity of cute pussy in sukh area can be overwhelming. In a joyous way!

[QUOTE=ThaiFriend;2969917]With another badge earned, it was TF time. To expedite the process I signed up for fremium and posted my best pics. In a matter of hours I was flooded with offers but most of them looked sketchy. I filtered on my target age range (18-21) and there was some solid talent there. My first hook up was with a 19 yr old uni student for an unbelievable 1. 5 K. When she arrived, she was not DDG but boy was she young. This one was athletic and tall about my same height, which is sometime new to try. She didn't exactly DFK but there is something about kissing girls your height where you don't have to contort your neck. Highly recommend The shower action got really steamy and she got turned on to the max and this is when I realized that we were already doggy bare backing. I almost never ever do this but for some reason I felt really secure. The rest of the session was also raw with on body release and a good shower scrub for both. This was a very rare BB encounter for me only because how young this girl was. Obviously I tipped very well and even educated her on current pricing levels for the service she was provided. I kept thinking about the encounter after she left and I couldn't help it. I asked her to return the next day which she promptly accepted. However the second visit was quite different, she went into GFE mode and chatted up with me about her hobbies, trips and international business courses. I enjoyed her company so much that sex was optional at this point. We did do the deed just to check that box and she was amazing as usual and yes it was BB again yikes She was also OK with video, which she refused on the first visit. Dined her at T21 food court and bid farewell. With so much success on TF, I summoned two more girls that actually did not work out. One was way thicker than the pics and other ultra skinny. I tipped them both for the cab and promptly dispatched them. So TF is definitely hit or miss and I did get lucky this time. However it is not that time consuming like some others have suggested, most of these girls are to the point and rapid communicators.[/QUOTE]Good first time report. So did you pay your TF friend the new rate you so nicely "educated her about" or get a repeat discount and let her raise prices on future mongers? Asking for a friend Don't sweat the bareback. BBFS is the new BBBJ. All the cool kids are doing it.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2969790]Ive never experienced a 200 baht ST hotel. I can only imagine how bad it would be. [/QUOTE]A streetwalker in China Town once took me to a ST hotel that was 200 baht. Or even less, I do not recall the exact amount. And yes, it looked bad, but at least it was clean.
But that was about a decade ago, I think.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970169]Your first time in Thailand, and you feel the need to educate local hookers on what they should charge? I doubt most of us pay more than 1500 for TF-girls in Bangkok, and no tip expected.[/QUOTE]1500 is the standard rate in Pattaya, but in Bangkok the majority of the TF-girls quote me at least 2000 or more. But maybe you are younger and / or more handsome than me.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970226]1500 is the standard rate in Pattaya, but in Bangkok the majority of the TF-girls quote me at least 2000 or more. But maybe you are younger and / or more handsome than me.[/QUOTE]I use TF quite a lot when in Thailand.

1500 is standard rate for Hua Hin, 2500 - 3000 is standard for BKK. Some of the higher quality ask for 5000 or more.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970226]1500 is the standard rate in Pattaya, but in Bangkok the majority of the TF-girls quote me at least 2000 or more. But maybe you are younger and / or more handsome than me.[/QUOTE]I don't venture to Pattaya, but I thought the rate there was still 1000? Would have to check some of Mr. E's recent reports to verify what the baseline is.

Many here in Bangkok have quoted me 2,000 or even 3,000 the past week (one even asked for 8,000 some days ago), but most come down to 1500 quickly enough, though not all. One quoted 1000, but she was a bit over the top for me (around 30 I'd guess, and looked like she'd been hooking a long time already), so I did not take her up on her offer.

In fact, one 1500 baht girl just left 10 minutes ago, and she's one of the prettier I've seen. In a go-go lineup, I'd pick her pretty quickly, while I sometimes venture through all of them without seeing anyone I like.
172 cm, 63 kg, (yes, two-three kg too much, but not excessive), 23 years, unusually good style in regards to dressing, and a pretty face too. One of the rare cases of somebody looking better in real-life. I'll be repeating.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970225]A streetwalker in China Town once took me to a ST hotel that was 200 baht. Or even less, I do not recall the exact amount. And yes, it looked bad, but at least it was clean.
But that was about a decade ago, I think.[/QUOTE]I ventured to Chinatown looking for Chinese girls. If I recall the girls FEE was 200 baht. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273]I don't venture to Pattaya, but I thought the rate there was still 1000? Would have to check some of Mr. E's recent reports to verify what the baseline is.[/QUOTE]The prices in Mr. E's reports represent the bottom line, not the baseline LOL. The typical asking price in Pattaya is 1500 for ST. You might be able to negotiate 1000, but not with the good looking girls (except maybe in low season).

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273] Many here in Bangkok have quoted me 2,000 or even 3,000 the past week (one even asked for 8,000 some days ago), but most come down to 1500 quickly enough, though not all.[/QUOTE]That is my experience as well, except that I do not try to get them down to 1500. Instead I ask for BBFS, but unfortunately most of them don't want that.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273] In fact, one 1500 baht girl just left 10 minutes ago, and she's one of the prettier I've seen. In a go-go lineup, I'd pick her pretty quickly, while I sometimes venture through all of them without seeing anyone I like.
172 cm, 63 kg, (yes, two-three kg too much, but not excessive), 23 years, unusually good style in regards to dressing, and a pretty face too. One of the rare cases of somebody looking better in real-life. I'll be repeating.[/QUOTE]Nice catch!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970342]The prices in Mr. E's reports represent the bottom line, not the baseline LOL. The typical asking price in Pattaya is 1500 for ST. You might be able to negotiate 1000, but not with the good looking girls (except maybe in low season).

That is my experience as well, except that I do not try to get them down to 1500. Instead I ask for BBFS, but unfortunately most of them don't want that.

Nice catch![/QUOTE]This is why Mr E is dangerous. People want to believe he getting Hottie s at 1,000 .

I wanted to bring this up but I font want be labelled as a HATer.

Getting a Palace Agogo girl for 1,000 off work is highly possible. Some are BUTT Freaking ugly. Hahaha. Yes they do Clean.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970342]The prices in Mr. E's reports represent the bottom line, not the baseline LOL. The typical asking price in Pattaya is 1500 for ST. You might be able to negotiate 1000, but not with the good looking girls (except maybe in low season).

That is my experience as well, except that I do not try to get them down to 1500. Instead I ask for BBFS, but unfortunately most of them don't want that.

Nice catch![/QUOTE]LOL, my mistake about the terminology. I'm figuring if I go to Pattaya I'll offer the same for ST as Mr. E. offers for LT, and consider my ugly self to not have overpaid too much by that. Sometimes you can just tell a guy knows his stuff without having met him, so I'm pretty sure the girls he bangs are no less pretty than what other pay double for.

I've never asked for BBFS in advance, but even though they've all asked me if I have condom when arriving by my bed, or even in a message when on the way, it's with one exception (the least attractive one, amusingly enough) all been BBFS so far here in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970226]1500 is the standard rate in Pattaya, but in Bangkok the majority of the TF-girls quote me at least 2000 or more. But maybe you are younger and / or more handsome than me.[/QUOTE]Mogwai, they can all quote you that, doesn't mean you have to pay it. Haggle, never give them the first price they quote.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2970233]I use TF quite a lot when in Thailand.

1500 is standard rate for Hua Hin, 2500 - 3000 is standard for BKK. Some of the higher quality ask for 5000 or more.[/QUOTE]That's not the standard for BKK. That's the price you pay if you don't know how to haggle. Never paid more than 1500 baht in BKK and don't plan to. Some online sideline girls can be had for even less than 1000.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970342]... I do not try to get them down to 1500. Instead I ask for BBFS, but unfortunately most of them don't want that.[/QUOTE]I'm same as you in that respect. Sometimes they ask why I want BB and I just tell them "I am old and cannot do sex with a condom," which seems to be the most successful words that I've found so far. Sometimes I tell them their price is very high and it must be no condom. Before agreeing, I always make it clear that it is "sex no condom, finish inside. " Sometimes I carry a picture of my latest STD-free test results. I also explain that "I am sterile" (they don't understand the word vasectomy).

About 3 weeks ago I did enough talking to turn a beautiful, young girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", but she was still reluctant. She did all the agreed services in the room, but she was a lousy partner. I recommend against going to the room if she seems reluctant, find somebody else.

If somebody has the magic words to change a girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", I'd like to hear those words.

[QUOTE=ThaiFriend;2970184]She said 10 K for dinner and all night with "I give you twice" promise. Apparently half of this goes to the owner. All young masseuse are encouraged to entice clients this way and try to make this lucrative arrangement happen. Told her 10 K is bit on the higher side and offered 6 K which she declined and said let's connect later. We exchanged line info and she messaged me the next day that she is off work and can go for all day date with night action for 6 K and no need to comp owner as it is her day off. I told her I will get back but ended up with my TF girl that night and never had the time to reconnect after that. If I ever return I hope she is still around. The ubiquity of cute pussy in sukh area can be overwhelming. In a joyous way![/QUOTE]A girl with SA-aspirations. FYI: there is no such thing as a bar-fine or anything similar at regular (non-sex) massage shops, and no such "lucrative arrangement" they are enticed to make happen. She was just trying to milk what she could see was a fresh of the boat tourist for money with that silly spiel. If the girl actually wants to meet you she will just call in sick or whatever, and go meet you.

If you want her to come and give you "massage in room" and book it in the shop, there's a fixed price for that too: regular shop fee plus some hundreds extra for travel and extra time going back and forth, depending on how far away your room is. Nothing silly like an extra 1000 and up, though there's always someone who will try that on.

What I'd do instead is to just go up with her and bang her in the room upstairs there and then, for something between 1000 and 2000 + whatever regular fee for 30 minutes of oil massage to the shop. I'd agree on the price while still having the foot massage, which would also make her much more inclined on agreeing to something closer to 1000 than 2000.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2970355]
[B]Getting BBFSCIP[/b]
I'm same as you in that respect. Sometimes they ask why I want BB and I just tell them "I am old and cannot do sex with a condom," which seems to be the most successful words that I've found so far. Sometimes I tell them their price is very high and it must be no condom. Before agreeing, I always make it clear that it is "sex no condom, finish inside. " Sometimes I carry a picture of my latest STD-free test results. I also explain that "I am sterile" (they don't understand the word vasectomy).

About 3 weeks ago I did enough talking to turn a beautiful, young girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", but she was still reluctant. She did all the agreed services in the room, but she was a lousy partner. I recommend against going to the room if she seems reluctant, find somebody else.

If somebody has the magic words to change a girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", I'd like to hear those words.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying with "CIP" and "finish inside" in this discussion. That is the part many omit when they report whether or not the experience was "BB", "bareback" or "BBFS".

"BB", "bareback" and "BBFS" without specifying "CIP" or "finish inside" with the girl or in a report in my mind means pulling out and finishing with a hand job or, worse, masturbation.

I evolved into including those key words "CIP" and "finish inside" over the years as well.

I can't say I know any magic words that turn an attractive, adamantly "must use condom" girl into a "no condom ok" girl. And I have explained that I am "sterile" and can show a recent negative HIV and other STD blood test result document as well. Even offering significantly more money rarely if ever changes the rule with a truly hot girl who is not desperate for money and has plenty of Condom Everything customers lined up willing to pay her first quote.

But I do have a method that used to work fairly often back when I was racking up a half dozen new girl sessions per week:

If the girl was adamant about "No boom boom without condom" in the bar I would agree to pay her first quote or very close to it for BBBJCIM but at that price it must include Swallowing all my cum at the finish. Might as well agree to it.

A surprising number of hot bargirls did agree to that, probably on the assumption that they could just fake a Swallow at the BBBJCIM finish and discretely spit it out in a tissue or sink. And, hey, then they're getting 2,500 baht for a simple BBBJCIM.

However, once in the room and they see I am not a filthy slob or an axe murderer, their stance softens, I remind them the CIM finish must include Swallowing all my cum, right?

That is when most of those hot girls would change their mind and tell me "boom boom no condom ok". It is at that point that given the choice between actually putting in more effort to give a BBBJCIM and especially being expected to Swallow all the cum, perhaps the first time some of those hot girls ever got that close to it, vs an ordinary, lazy BBBFCIP with a clean customer they feel comfortable with, the ordinary lazy BBFSCIP won the day.

Which I generally assumed it would back when I switched the negotiation from BBFSCIP to BBBJCIMSwallow in the bar.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970169]Your first time in Thailand, and you feel the need to educate local hookers on what they should charge? I doubt most of us pay more than 1500 for TF-girls in Bangkok, and no tip expected.

Good and informative report otherwise.[/QUOTE]By the tone of happiness he reported, probably the "education course" was: you are so good and should ask more than 1500. That's for the MILF on the streets. Here's another 1000 as you are worth it.

Followed by a trip to the gold shop on the third encounter, LOL.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2970188]Good first time report. So did you pay your TF friend the new rate you so nicely "educated her about" or get a repeat discount and let her raise prices on future mongers? Asking for a friend Don't sweat the bareback. BBFS is the new BBBJ. All the cool kids are doing it.[/QUOTE]I tipped her an extra 1000 for a total of 2500. I do come from a "you got to tip for anything and everything" culture. You can easily guess which country).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2970355]If somebody has the magic words to change a girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", I'd like to hear those words. [/QUOTE]How about "I give you tip; no condom." Or accept the girl's position on barebacking and go with the flow. For example, I never negotiate Bareback anywhere and yet approximately 25% of my Thai hooker pickups (Go Go girls and FL's) leads to BBFS on the 1st night with the percentages going up significantly on repeat visits. This is my experience in LOS for over 20 years. If you don't like these stats try a different country. As I am sure you know, Thailand has neighbors where the bareback percentages are much higher.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273]One of the rare cases of somebody looking better in real-life. I'll be repeating.[/QUOTE]And here a prime example of the opposite, generated some minutes ago. Good luck I've started to request a selfie without filter before confirming the booking.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970499]And here a prime example of the opposite, generated some minutes ago. Good luck I've started to request a selfie without filter before confirming the booking.[/QUOTE]555. We've all had a few of those.

I don't request a selfie, but I often require a 1-minute video chat before booking a ThaiFriendly girl.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2970460]How about "I give you tip; no condom." Or accept the girl's position on barebacking and go with the flow.[/QUOTE]Yea, offering tip is my first approach, and it often works. Earlier this month I was at Pink-X in Chiang Mai and offered what I thought was a big tip, but she refused. She said she sometimes has Korean and Japanese men offer her 15,000 baht for no condom. I can be a big tipper, but I won't go that high.

Going with the flow can end in a great BBFSCIP session or it can end in frustration for me. For about 3 years I have been unable to to finish with a condom.

Prior to 2018 I always used condom. Prior to 2022 I would go with the flow. On 2nd or 3rd session, they all turned into BBFSCIP. After about 2022 I have negotiated BBFSCIP.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2964233]I liked WoodBar. As poster says top notch BJ. I had two and both were top five stuff. To my aesthetic there are pretty girls there. Or they have a few years but were pretty. There are 800 girls and 1000 girls. I didn't see that much visual difference and took a 1000 girl. I'm going to guess the 1000's have better skills? Dunno but it was fabulous.

I suggest you don't go straight for optics. That's not what you are there for. Pick a girl who is cute but maybe has a few extra pounds or extra years. You won't be sorry. Top world BJ experience and I've had a few.[/QUOTE]I've been suggested this place for this very reason. Do they let you take vids?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970499]And here a prime example of the opposite, generated some minutes ago. Good luck I've started to request a selfie without filter before confirming the booking.[/QUOTE]That is not even the same person.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273]I don't venture to Pattaya, but I thought the rate there was still 1000? Would have to check some of Mr. E's recent reports to verify what the baseline is.

Many here in Bangkok have quoted me 2,000 or even 3,000 the past week (one even asked for 8,000 some days ago), but most come down to 1500 quickly enough, though not all. [/QUOTE]There is no baseline. Some guys like XXL will hit a girl up and immediately offer 2000. Some guys will ask how much and consider that some type of going rate. Like you, I will ask them how much and talk them down. In Pattaya I pay 1200 for overnight. I have things to do during the day, but before bed around 10 pm I may get a chick to come stay over until I am ready to leave at 8 or 9 in the morning. I rarely do ST, but I do not mind giving them 1000 for ST the times that I do.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2970460]How about "I give you tip; no condom." Or accept the girl's position on barebacking and go with the flow. For example, I never negotiate Bareback anywhere and yet approximately 25% of my Thai hooker pickups (Go Go girls and FL's) leads to BBFS on the 1st night with the percentages going up significantly on repeat visits. This is my experience in LOS for over 20 years. If you don't like these stats try a different country. As I am sure you know, Thailand has neighbors where the bareback percentages are much higher.[/QUOTE]My holidays are usually only two weeks, occasionally three, so I can only fuck a limited amount of girls, with only a few repeats (if any). If I would go with the flow and get the same results as you do, it would mean I do not get BBFS with every girl, every time. And that is unacceptable, because I simply hate condoms and cannot keep it up and cum when I use them. So that's why I always negotiate BBFS beforehand.
In countries like Cambodia, Laos, and the Philippines, I sometimes take the risk and do not negotiate it beforehand. But I haven't been there for a long time.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970499]And here a prime example of the opposite, generated some minutes ago. Good luck I've started to request a selfie without filter before confirming the booking.[/QUOTE]Its bad enough when that busty hardbody tosses her tits on the chair with her bra, I really do not favour selecting my smash on line.

[QUOTE=Sma202;2970650]I've been suggested this place for this very reason. Do they let you take vids?[/QUOTE]There's no place that advertises "video included". You have to ask the woman and offer her whatever extra she wants for it.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2970882]Its bad enough when that busty hardbody tosses her tits on the chair with her bra, I really do not favour selecting my smash on line.[/QUOTE]I don't know why, but I've become too lazy to go out in the evening, wandering from place to place looking. I will drop by a place or two on the way to / from my other daily activities (gym, dinner), but in the evening I much prefer they come to me.

In fact, one just left. Her photo looked really good. Asked her to send a selfie no filter. Selfie looked not really good, but still good. Showed up wearing a mask, which is a pretty big red flag these days, but thought maybe the gal was shy. Asked her to take off the mask while going up in the elevator, after the other passengers had exited. Didn't look like anyone I'd like to fuck. Showed her the photo and said she did not look like photo. She blah-blah-blah and demanded 1000 to go. Told her to fuck off and took her down in the elevator.

Next time I'll verify and abort the ordeal downstairs before going up in the elevator with her. Initially wanted to do that when I saw the mask, but so many people milling around I felt a bit shy. Next time though.

Only reason I can think of for why these disgusting women are pulling this shit is that there are guys who pay them "enough" to leave, after figuring out they are about to get scammed, making it worth it for them. If nobody were paying them, they'd stop that shit soon enough. Maybe guys think throwing 500 baht at them is worth it to avoid a spectacle, but that's more than enough money to make it worthwhile for them to continue doing this annoying shit.

On a more positive note, my Thai massage earlier today ended better. After sucking my dick till completion, she for some reason continued sucking. Last night I, through no fault of my own, ended up having two girls coming, one after the other. One at 00:30 (a repeat with Miss 172 cm who I posted a photo of earlier), and the other one, my first african girl. A 22 year old who arrived at 01:30, and who looked so hooish, with a neon-green dress and high heels, that I felt slightly embarrassed as she stalked past the security guards and towards me. What would my mother think?

She said it was her third day in Thailand, from Kenya, and was a good fuck with a pleasant enough personality. Anyway, as the massage woman today, a plump woman around 30, chosen for her cute face and pleasant demeanor, was continuing sucking my dick, I pondered. Could it be my balls were so empty from last night's double course that it was possible she had not noticed I was done? Could it be so? No, surely not, but for some reason she was still sucking my dick.

I was laying there thinking, "why is she still sucking my dick, and what happened to my semen?" After she had continued sucking for a few minutes more, and my brain had failed to come up with any good answer as to why, I, and may god forgive me, in the end I had to stop her, as I'm a bit sensitive after finishing. Apparently she also swallowed my little gift, whatever there was, which is not a frequent occurrence for me with p4p girls.
I then paid her the agreed 1000, plus an extra 100 as tip for the massage when exiting downstairs.

Shop was on soi 22 should anyone care. One of the 3-4 shops directly after the Marriot hotel, though I don't remember the name. As far as I am concerned, this, and to a much lesser extent soi 33, are the only sois on Sukhumvit where you can with some probability find decent looking girls / woman in some regular massage shops sitting outside, so you can see and choose. Have to walk the whole stretch up and back sometimes though.

Miss Africa:

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970969]Last night I, through no fault of my own, ended up having two girls coming, one after the other. One at 00:30 (a repeat with Miss 172 cm who I posted a photo of earlier), and the other one, my first african girl. A 22 year old who arrived at 01:30, and who looked so hooish, with a neon-green dress and high heels, that I felt slightly embarrassed as she stalked past the security guards and towards me. What would my mother think?[/QUOTE]They say that men like women who look like their mother, so I think she would be thrilled LOL.

Date & time of session: December 2024.

Location: Mango Massage (Sukhumvit 24).

Name: Yumi.

Age: 21.

Face: 3. 5/5 (if you like young slim girls with Jap / Korea style it may be 4-5).

Body: 4/5 (slim and young).

Skill: 1/5 (she can do a bit of French Kiss but very short and then move her head away. Can actually repeat the process but feels very forced. BBBJ was nice but it lasted less than 30 secs before she reached for a condom).

Service: 1/5 (she tried to waste as much time as possible with chitchat).

GFE: 3/5 (She try to be funny and talk but more in a friend style than GF and mostly to cut off as much time as possible).

PSE: 1/5.

Price & Session Length: 2200 b 1 hour.

Repeat: No.

To give some context to the mostly negative marks, my main preferences are young & very slim girls who also can do deep tongue kissing for most of the time during the session. BBBJ with CIM is a second option if the kissing isn't that good (I usually prefer cum while kissing).

Other than that, I don't care too much about the sex itself and keep it kinda short at the end of the session after 30+ minutes of foreplay.

Yumi allow for tongue kissing but not really that deep or into it. She try to move away after just few seconds. After a couple of times it feels too much forced to be any pleasant for me.

BBBJ was nice for the 30 secs or so it lasted before she reached for a condom. I tried to extend it but after another 30 secs or so she went for a condom again.

I tried to lick her pussy but she didn't allow it (I didn't really force it anyway).

The sex itself was actually decent, she didn't complain or hurried me up (but I lose interest in plain sex after changing 2-3 positions if the girl isn't into kissing, so I don't think it was more than 15 mins). She looks nice with her legs in the air.

In the end, it may be worth it if you don't care about any kind of foreplay and kissing and you just want sex with a young slim cute looking girl.

That said, as she wastes a lot of time at least go for the 40 mins option. (in that case maybe she will not waste too much time).

I got fed up with mediocre girls asking for 3000 Baht in Sukhumvit. It took a few days to work out a strategy that would work for me. Compared to the girls in Laos, none of the girls on offer were worth 1000. Of course, I paid more than I wanted to because I was feeling desperate and having a GF hotel in the heart of the action helped.

Sometimes sex is about doing something different or risky. And whilst walking around near the Grand Palace, I found myself on Burana Sat Road, the opportunity presented itself nicely. Lots of ordinary ladies, ages 20 through to 60, all shapes and sizes. Most were really not worth it. The 35 year old with only one eye however was not bad looking (as long as kept that eye closed! Not overweight and had good boobs. Her staring price was 400 Baht and it didn't see right to barter her down. The room was 100 Baht. So at £12 was my cheapest punt. The sex was good BBBJ, BBFS with CIP, BB anal and DFK- and filming. I want back the next day to find her but she was probably still spending my 400 Baht!

Saw several other girls in the same area, going up to 600 Baht with BB and filming. I turned down one really rough sleeper who wanted 300 Baht. A man has to have standards.

On my last night I paid 2000 Baht for a threesome with 2 ordinary girls outside Nana Plaza. Covered but still great fun with lots of videoing and girl on girl action. Not something that I am likely to get at home.

I've been in BKK for work and decided to try 3 new girls (technically 4). This was my first time with any working girls, let alone in Thailand. I unfortunately didn't do any research as I guess I'm stupid.

Girl 1: I got her off of an ad on Massage Republic and paid 13 k.

Girl 2 (my fav): I was walking by a massage parlor and just saw her and thought she was hot so I went for it. This was by far the cheapest at 3 k.

Girl 3 (and 4 because it was a duo): I was walking and this taxi driver approached me and showed me a bunch of ladies. He drove me to this hotel and I chose 2 girls and they bathed and then some. This costed me like 18 k total.

I feel like I got ripped off the first and 3rd time. Possibly even the 2nd time. I by far enjoyed the 2nd one the most but it's consistent as every time I walk by I swear I see different girls.

[QUOTE=Ksalter123;2971223]I've been in BKK for work and decided to try 3 new girls (technically 4). This was my first time with any working girls, let alone in Thailand. I unfortunately didn't do any research as I guess I'm stupid.

Girl 1: I got her off of an ad on Massage Republic and paid 13 k.

Girl 2 (my fav): I was walking by a massage parlor and just saw her and thought she was hot so I went for it. This was by far the cheapest at 3 k.

Girl 3 (and 4 because it was a duo): I was walking and this taxi driver approached me and showed me a bunch of ladies. He drove me to this hotel and I chose 2 girls and they bathed and then some. This costed me like 18 k total.

I feel like I got ripped off the first and 3rd time. Possibly even the 2nd time. I by far enjoyed the 2nd one the most but it's consistent as every time I walk by I swear I see different girls.[/QUOTE]2) sounds like a normal massage shop price for one of the more expensive options. Massage shops have fixed prices and except some girls may give so poor service it may seem like a rip-off sometimes, going there is mostly safe as far as getting ripped of is concerned.

For both 1) and 3) you probably vastly overpaid, unless the taxi driver took you to one of the really posh places that do exist here, in which case it could cost something like that, yes. You'd notice if it was, because you'd think "wow, this place is really posh. Completely different from 2)". Better read this forum better first next time, to get an estimate over what you should pay.

I have been asking TF girls for their LineIDs in order to contact them when I get to BKK in January. However, when I go to LineID, go to Add friends, click on Search and type in the girls LineID, I get a message that says "User not found. ".

Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a solution?

THANKS.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2971281]I have been asking TF girls for their LineIDs in order to contact them when I get to BKK in January. However, when I go to LineID, go to Add friends, click on Search and type in the girls LineID, I get a message that says "User not found. ".

Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a solution?

THANKS.[/QUOTE]This has happened with multiple LineIDs (I am typing in the correct LineID! But QR codes work fine.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2971281]I have been asking TF girls for their LineIDs in order to contact them when I get to BKK in January. However, when I go to LineID, go to Add friends, click on Search and type in the girls LineID, I get a message that says "User not found. ".

Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a solution?

THANKS.[/QUOTE]If the girl gives you a number, make sure you search phone number and not line ID.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2971269]2) sounds like a normal massage shop price for one of the more expensive options. Massage shops have fixed prices and except some girls may give so poor service it may seem like a rip-off sometimes, going there is mostly safe as far as getting ripped of is concerned.

For both 1) and 3) you probably vastly overpaid, unless the taxi driver took you to one of the really posh places that do exist here, in which case it could cost something like that, yes. You'd notice if it was, because you'd think "wow, this place is really posh. Completely different from 2)". Better read this forum better first next time, to get an estimate over what you should pay.[/QUOTE]Are you taking advice from EverythingThai. Hahaha. Hahaha.

Are you not reading posts on pricing. I don't go to Republic and I'm sure 13 k is over the Top.

Are you not weary of Taxi and Touts?

Are you Indian. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2971281]I have been asking TF girls for their LineIDs in order to contact them when I get to BKK in January. However, when I go to LineID, go to Add friends, click on Search and type in the girls LineID, I get a message that says "User not found. ".
Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a solution?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's a known problem. See some posts of December 17 in the General Reports thread.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2971305]Yes, it's a known problem. See some posts of December 17 in the General Reports thread.[/QUOTE]They are not giving you their valid ID.

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[QUOTE=TConor;2971306]They are not giving you their valid ID.[/QUOTE]Well, that might happen occasionally, but when the same girl sends me her QR code, I can add her.

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971166]I got fed up with mediocre girls asking for 3000 Baht in Sukhumvit. It took a few days to work out a strategy that would work for me. Compared to the girls in Laos, none of the girls on offer were worth 1000. Of course, I paid more than I wanted to because I was feeling desperate and having a GF hotel in the heart of the action helped.

Sometimes sex is about doing something different or risky. And whilst walking around near the Grand Palace, I found myself on Burana Sat Road, the opportunity presented itself nicely. Lots of ordinary ladies, ages 20 through to 60, all shapes and sizes. Most were really not worth it. The 35 year old with only one eye however was not bad looking (as long as kept that eye closed! Not overweight and had good boobs. Her staring price was 400 Baht and it didn't see right to barter her down. The room was 100 Baht. So at 12 was my cheapest punt. The sex was good BBBJ, BBFS with CIP, BB anal and DFK- and filming. I want back the next day to find her but she was probably still spending my 400 Baht!

Saw several other girls in the same area, going up to 600 Baht with BB and filming. I turned down one really rough sleeper who wanted 300 Baht. A man has to have standards.

On my last night I paid 2000 Baht for a threesome with 2 ordinary girls outside Nana Plaza. Covered but still great fun with lots of videoing and girl on girl action. Not something that I am likely to get at home.[/QUOTE]The last time I picked up a girl in that Burana Sat Road area you reported on here, near Khaosan Road too, was about 10 years ago when I lived in the general area for a while. You're right, there are all shapes, sizes and ages available, most really not worth it.

However, I would occasionally walk through that area back then and I did find a cute 19 year old gem there one afternoon.

She also quoted 400 Baht. Without flinching and, like you, I didn't feel right about negotiating her down from that, I agreed to that amount. However, I stipulated then and there it must be BBFSCIP, Finish Inside and include DFK. She lit up and agreed as though that 400 Baht deal was her best score of the month! Sweet girl. Very nice and satisfying session.

And, just like today for you, the Short Time room she took me to 10 years ago was 100 Baht! But it was without doubt the most rundown little shithole room I have ever successfully finished a fuck in.

So there has been zero inflation for the deed and the room in that area for at least 10 years. Good to know. However, it doesn't sound like we are exactly comparing apples to apples in terms of the age and attractiveness of the lady. But who knows, give or take a couple of years she claimed, maybe it was the same lady!

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971166]I got fed up with mediocre girls asking for 3000 Baht in Sukhumvit. It took a few days to work out a strategy that would work for me. Compared to the girls in Laos, none of the girls on offer were worth 1000. Of course, I paid more than I wanted to because I was feeling desperate and having a GF hotel in the heart of the action helped.

Sometimes sex is about doing something different or risky. And whilst walking around near the Grand Palace, I found myself on Burana Sat Road, the opportunity presented itself nicely. Lots of ordinary ladies, ages 20 through to 60, all shapes and sizes. Most were really not worth it. The 35 year old with only one eye however was not bad looking (as long as kept that eye closed! Not overweight and had good boobs. Her staring price was 400 Baht and it didn't see right to barter her down. The room was 100 Baht. So at 12 was my cheapest punt. The sex was good BBBJ, BBFS with CIP, BB anal and DFK- and filming. I want back the next day to find her but she was probably still spending my 400 Baht!

Saw several other girls in the same area, going up to 600 Baht with BB and filming. I turned down one really rough sleeper who wanted 300 Baht. A man has to have standards.

On my last night I paid 2000 Baht for a threesome with 2 ordinary girls outside Nana Plaza. Covered but still great fun with lots of videoing and girl on girl action. Not something that I am likely to get at home.[/QUOTE]Its been a long time since we had a report on Burana Sat. I'm glad to see its still there.

[QUOTE=Ksalter123;2971223]I've been in BKK for work and decided to try 3 new girls (technically 4). This was my first time with any working girls, let alone in Thailand. I unfortunately didn't do any research as I guess I'm stupid.

Girl 1: I got her off of an ad on Massage Republic and paid 13 k.

Girl 2 (my fav): I was walking by a massage parlor and just saw her and thought she was hot so I went for it. This was by far the cheapest at 3 k.

Girl 3 (and 4 because it was a duo): I was walking and this taxi driver approached me and showed me a bunch of ladies. He drove me to this hotel and I chose 2 girls and they bathed and then some. This costed me like 18 k total.

I feel like I got ripped off the first and 3rd time. Possibly even the 2nd time. I by far enjoyed the 2nd one the most but it's consistent as every time I walk by I swear I see different girls.[/QUOTE]You did not RTFF enough.

[QUOTE=Ksalter123;2971223]I've been in BKK for work and decided to try 3 new girls (technically 4). This was my first time with any working girls, let alone in Thailand. I unfortunately didn't do any research as I guess I'm stupid.

Girl 1: I got her off of an ad on Massage Republic and paid 13 k.

Girl 2 (my fav): I was walking by a massage parlor and just saw her and thought she was hot so I went for it. This was by far the cheapest at 3 k.

Girl 3 (and 4 because it was a duo): I was walking and this taxi driver approached me and showed me a bunch of ladies. He drove me to this hotel and I chose 2 girls and they bathed and then some. This costed me like 18 k total.

I feel like I got ripped off the first and 3rd time. Possibly even the 2nd time. I by far enjoyed the 2nd one the most but it's consistent as every time I walk by I swear I see different girls.[/QUOTE]OF COURSE you overpaid! OMG why would you even have to ask? Only a complete idiot pays those kinds of prices.

[QUOTE=Ksalter123;2971223]I've been in BKK for work and decided to try 3 new girls (technically 4). This was my first time with any working girls, let alone in Thailand. I unfortunately didn't do any research as I guess I'm stupid.

Girl 1: I got her off of an ad on Massage Republic and paid 13 k.

Girl 2 (my fav): I was walking by a massage parlor and just saw her and thought she was hot so I went for it. This was by far the cheapest at 3 k.

Girl 3 (and 4 because it was a duo): I was walking and this taxi driver approached me and showed me a bunch of ladies. He drove me to this hotel and I chose 2 girls and they bathed and then some. This costed me like 18 k total.

I feel like I got ripped off the first and 3rd time. Possibly even the 2nd time. I by far enjoyed the 2nd one the most but it's consistent as every time I walk by I swear I see different girls.[/QUOTE]In my experience, you definitely overpaid. I had good luck near the Phrom Phong BTS stop in front of Emporium. On Soi 22 on Sukhumvit Road, there's an alley filled with massage places. When I was there a couple of years ago, it was 2500 baht for MSOG for the hour. DATY, FS, DFK, etc. I did see a Filipina named Cristina from Massage Republic for 4 k. She had natural DDs. There are also some massage places on the other side of Sukhumvit Road near Emporium, though their names escape me. You should be able to have a good time for no more than 4 k baht per hour.

Lurked for a bit here to learn at least some of the BKK ropes. Much appreciated.

Trip was a last minute 3-day add-on to a week in Hanoi. Stayed at the NH Sukhumvit. Nice hotel. Girl friendly, but they keep the ID of the girl while she's in the room.

I hired tour guides for cultural and food tourism. FYI it's not possible to get the smell of curry crab off your fingers with anything less caustic than sulfuric acid. Lemon juice kinda works. All of the Thai street food and market food was fantastic and very inexpensive. I was expecting to pay more due to it being high season, but food cost was reasonable. The Ramen near Snow White massage was mediocre. Also, muy Thai fights are a lot of fun. Put that on your dance card.

First night after a food tour I went to Nana Plaza for the experience. Wasn't expecting to bar fine a girls, but I got there just after midnight and the mamasan was a matchmaker. 1. 0 bar fine and 2. 0ST. I don't recall the girl's name, but she was cute and willing, so off we went. BBBJ and BBFSCIP. Covers weren't discussed and I was sauced enough to let the little head make that call. Fun time.

Night 2 was Snow White. Dream was in the lineup. Cute girl (much prettier in person) with massive heavy bags. Started with the shower and blue toast. Decent makeout to begin but FK was limited. Massage was practically non existent and she started a very nice 10 minute or so BBBJ. Cover went on and she climbed on top. CG, RCG and she was flagging after about 5 minutes. I prefer to drive anyway so we switched and I played with those beautiful milkers in mish for a while. She must have enjoyed it because the kisses got much more involved and she made some interesting noises. Finished with CIM and went back in the shower together. Tried to repeat the next night but she was gone when I asked. 2. 3 for 90 minutes and 0. 4 tip.

Final night didn't pan out, but fun was had. Met the most beautiful woman I'd seen in BKK at a bar I can't remember the name of. Probably on Soi 6. No makeup and drop dead gorgeous. Talked to her for an hour and bought some lady drinks for her. Great conversation. Was about to enquire with the mamasan about bar fine and thought to ask if she was a ladyboy. Turned out she was. I found out right then just how hetero I am LOL. I laughed about it, she tried to close the deal. She wasn't successful, but I had a great time sitting and talking and I got a pretty good story out of it.

That's my report. Again, thanks gents for the tips. Would have been (more) lost without why'all.

You guys do realize KSalt's post was a troll post, right?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970969]
In fact, one just left. Her photo looked really good. Asked her to send a selfie no filter. Selfie looked not really good, but still good. Showed up wearing a mask, which is a pretty big red flag these days, but thought maybe the gal was shy. Asked her to take off the mask while going up in the elevator, after the other passengers had exited. Didn't look like anyone I'd like to fuck. Showed her the photo and said she did not look like photo. She blah-blah-blah and demanded 1000 to go. Told her to fuck off and took her down in the elevator.

Next time I'll verify and abort the ordeal downstairs before going up in the elevator with her. Initially wanted to do that when I saw the mask, but so many people milling around I felt a bit shy. Next time though.
[/QUOTE]Based on another experience that fortunately did not go further than my phone, I'm thinking this is, at least in some cases, a bit more organized than just a random women photoshopping their photos, which is what I thought at first.

I think what's happening, at least in some cases, is that there are some scumbags that advertises photos of some decent looking women (nothing spectacular, just an average 7 or at best a weak 8), and then sends some random hag off to meet you at the agreed on place (your hotel / condo). At that time, depending on how sex-starved you are, you might, I assume, bang her anyway, or if you reject her, she will demand a hefty sum to leave. In my case, I had offered my usual 1500, which was accepted immediately or almost so (I'm not going to spend time more than 2-3 the messages to discuss the price. If they don't like my offer, better just move to the next one), and she demanded 1000 to leave.
I imagine the idea is that many guys will pay her the 1000 to leave rather than risk some spectacle, and then the scumbags organizing this will send her off to the next sucker.

In my one experience where I met her I would not say she was a complete leper, but rather than the expected 7, it was something I'd rate as 3. I was not even 100% sure it was not a ladyboy before she took of her mask, and when I asked for her ID, she mumbled something about being from Vietnam, and therefore did not have ID. She also insisted it was her photo that I showed her on the phone, "but maybe photoshop. I don't know". I'd not say conclusively it was not her, as I guess some of these annoying filters could make me look like a young Cindy Crawford, but as far I'm concerned it might as well have been a completely different person.

Probably the only way to avoid this, if you are vary of the confrontation, is to insist on a video call, though who knows how long it will be till the filters are good enough to fake that too (if not already).

I've had two similar experiences during my two weeks so far actually. One was the night I arrived, where it was indeed the same person, but via some filter her weight had been reduced by at least 30 kg. She said in her message before coming over that she was chubby, but the person who arrived looked like she had swallowed the chubby girl whole. I was not even sure if we would be able to both travel up in the same elevator without setting of some weight alarm. Too add further to my embarrassment, the "maid" who had just let me in to my airbnb was still downstairs, sitting on the sofa, but politely looking the other way as I welcomed this buffalo.
Her face was somewhat cute though, so I decided to just fuck her face till I came. I'm guessing she is used to it, as she took it well, gagging and gasping for air until I came deep down her throat and paid her the agreed 1500. Actually she took it so well that sometimes I wonder if I should repeat, as I kind of have a sick fetish, or something, for that.

That one reminded me of a normal girl who I met up north in Thailand once when I was young and handsome. I pulled up on my motorbike at some place near her place, and saw a rather large creature pull up on her motorbike, gesturing for me to follow her without getting of her bike. Pondered for a few seconds what to do, but ended up following her out of politeness. She was also 30 kg overweight I saw once she got of her bike, but followed her in to her room anyway, thinking I'll get a blowjob or something, then leave. Some guys standing outside her building looking at me a bit confused as I followed this elephant of a girl, no doubt thinking farang are crazy.

Well, after I came in her mouth and she swallowed it all I felt kind of bad about just leaving, so I, ugh, fucked her too. She contacted me a few times after that for a repeat, but I told her politely that I only did one night stands "to avoid any feelings" (lol), so could not. Not my proudest moment, but at least that time all my sex was still free without having to work much for it.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963030]Below, I'll share some proven tips that have worked for me over the years. While no method is foolproof, these approaches can significantly improve your chances of achieving a mutually enjoyable encounter. [/QUOTE]I find it amusing that the guide can be basically summarized as "act like a decent human being". Who would've thought that treating a girl like a person–and not an object–would lead to higher quality interactions.

[QUOTE=TConor;2971306]They are not giving you their valid ID.[/QUOTE]TConor, you apparently did not read my post carefully. Your insulting reply to our comrade who paid top dollar for mediocre service makes me wonder why you bother to comment at all. These problems with Line occurred with multiple girls (about 10) and when the girl gave me a QR code, there was no problem. I have not tried asking for line numbers.

I am not alone with this type of problem, but the fix is to remove Line from my cell phone, come up with a new LineID name and reinstall the app. By doing that, I would lose all of my contacts that are currently in Line. That seems to be my only option to fix the problem. It is a shame the Thai girls haven't learned about WhatsApp, as that app is much more intuitive and reliable.

My response to Ksalter123's experience being price gouged is that he made very typical newbie mistakes. He is not just new to Bangkok, but new to mongering. Yes, he should have read the forum more carefully, but I remember some of the dumb shit I did when I was a newbie, including leaving $1000 USD out on a table when I left my Airbnb in Sto Domingo to go work out at a nearby gym. She was so GFE in bed, that I forgot that she wasn't actually my girlfriend. I could recount several other dumb errors I have made with young pretty girls, but overall I have still had a wonderful time of it. I doubt anything I ever did in the area of overpaying contributed to girl inflation.

Where are they now? I have memories of some Soi Cowboy bar personalities from decades ago. Just wondering if anybody knows their current station in life and what they might be doing these days. In no particular order:

Casey / Kacy / KC. Papasan / manager at Midnight after the upstairs part of the bar replaced the old Top Cat bar.

Sahn. Simultaneously, the owner of Toy Bar, Fanny Bar, Moonshine Joint, and Jungle Jim's. I first met her when she was 15 years old and working at the Toy Bar. No, she wasn't available for take out. The owner was very protective of her. The owner had previously owned a bar at Nana Plaza which later became Lucky Luke's.and, after selling the Toy Bar, opened another one off Soi 22 (Tina Bar).

"Hans", manager (and maybe a part owner) of Tilac when it was a DEA agent hangout. Every night, Hans would be sitting at the end of the bar along with "patrons" enjoying their customary seats that had their names fixed with small brass / bronze plates that noted that those four seats were "reserved".

Cactus John. The papasan / manager of Cactus Bar; an affable and interesting dude who, in my opinion, had the worst taste in music imaginable (LOL). He was a righteously degenerate and fun-loving guy who might've had the biggest drink tab every night if he didn't enjoy his position. 20-baht table dances were probably introduced by John, that featured bottomless dancers moving table-to-table and offering up "tacos" for those who were hungry. LOL (Even if you didn't eat them, you were able to inspect them from inches away from your nose.).

Any updates on the foregoing?

Sam.

[QUOTE=TConor;2971306]They are not giving you their valid ID.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. There is a problem within the system for adding with IDs and phone numbers.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2971513]TConor, you apparently did not read my post carefully. Your insulting reply to our comrade who paid top dollar for mediocre service makes me wonder why you bother to comment at all. These problems with Line occurred with multiple girls (about 10) and when the girl gave me a QR code, there was no problem. I have not tried asking for line numbers.

I am not alone with this type of problem, but the fix is to remove Line from my cell phone, come up with a new LineID name and reinstall the app. By doing that, I would lose all of my contacts that are currently in Line. That seems to be my only option to fix the problem. It is a shame the Thai girls haven't learned about WhatsApp, as that app is much more intuitive and reliable.

My response to Ksalter123's experience being price gouged is that he made very typical newbie mistakes. He is not just new to Bangkok, but new to mongering. Yes, he should have read the forum more carefully, but I remember some of the dumb shit I did when I was a newbie, including leaving $1000 USD out on a table when I left my Airbnb in Sto Domingo to go work out at a nearby gym. She was so GFE in bed, that I forgot that she wasn't actually my girlfriend. I could recount several other dumb errors I have made with young pretty girls, but overall I have still had a wonderful time of it. I doubt anything I ever did in the area of overpaying contributed to girl inflation.[/QUOTE]Problem?

But I stand by my comment to Ksalter123 , guys like him and the whole CIP crew are not helping matters here. Darwinism will eventually take care of the CIP guys as they go the way of the Dodo bird. But it may take longer than I'd like and the collateral damage is a sad by product of their selfish actions.

[QUOTE=NoTimezone;2971419]I find it amusing that the guide can be basically summarized as "act like a decent human being". Who would've thought that treating a girl like a personand not an objectwould lead to higher quality interactions.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha.

If you read Mr 40 drinks comment s about the Big Nlubbering Buffoon he is telling him to be Nicer. LOL. Hahaha.

Can't make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2971513]These problems with Line occurred with multiple girls (about 10) and when the girl gave me a QR code, there was no problem. I have not tried asking for line numbers.

I am not alone with this type of problem, but the fix is to remove Line from my cell phone, come up with a new LineID name and reinstall the app. By doing that, I would lose all of my contacts that are currently in Line. That seems to be my only option to fix the problem. It is a shame the Thai girls haven't learned about WhatsApp, as that app is much more intuitive and reliable.
[/QUOTE]LINE have a possible answer in their faq for this: "To prevent the search feature from being abused, the feature will temporarily be suspended if an ID or phone number is searched for (or the wrong one is entered) too many times. For security reasons, we cannot provide details such as how long suspensions are for. ".

There's also an option in line that needs to be set to allow others to add you by ID. Default setting is yes, but perhaps some girls have mistakenly turned it off. Same for add by phone number, but there I think the default setting is off.

My guess it's one of these two things causing the problem, and the solution is to ask for their qr code instead.

Other than that I disagree about line being inferior to whatsapp. I've been using line for 15+ years I think, much longer than whatsapp, and have always considered it superior to whatsapp, or any other chat app I've tried. It also has all those cute bells and whistles that asian girls typically like easily available, and which seem to only now be coming to other big chat apps, in a much more limited and difficult to use form.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2971513]TConor, you apparently did not read my post carefully. Your insulting reply to our comrade who paid top dollar for mediocre service makes me wonder why you bother to comment at all. These problems with Line occurred with multiple girls (about 10) and when the girl gave me a QR code, there was no problem. I have not tried asking for line numbers.

I am not alone with this type of problem, but the fix is to remove Line from my cell phone, come up with a new LineID name and reinstall the app. By doing that, I would lose all of my contacts that are currently in Line. That seems to be my only option to fix the problem. It is a shame the Thai girls haven't learned about WhatsApp, as that app is much more intuitive and reliable.

My response to Ksalter123's experience being price gouged is that he made very typical newbie mistakes. He is not just new to Bangkok, but new to mongering. Yes, he should have read the forum more carefully, but I remember some of the dumb shit I did when I was a newbie, including leaving $1000 USD out on a table when I left my Airbnb in Sto Domingo to go work out at a nearby gym. She was so GFE in bed, that I forgot that she wasn't actually my girlfriend. I could recount several other dumb errors I have made with young pretty girls, but overall I have still had a wonderful time of it. I doubt anything I ever did in the area of overpaying contributed to girl inflation.[/QUOTE]Leaving $1000 out in the open anywhere is way beyond stupid, ESPECIALLY if there's a hooker in the bed. OMG. And you have the nerve to criticize others?

And by the way, Line is MUCH more user friendly than Whatsapp. Just have to be smarter than the app, I guess.

[QUOTE=NoTimezone;2971419]I find it amusing that the guide can be basically summarized as "act like a decent human being". Who would've thought that treating a girl like a personand not an objectwould lead to higher quality interactions.[/QUOTE]Exactly right. You'll find that a lot of 'senior members' on this forum think of the girls they see as nothing more than a piece of meat. Shameful, really.

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971166]I got fed up with mediocre girls asking for 3000 Baht in Sukhumvit. It took a few days to work out a strategy that would work for me. Compared to the girls in Laos, none of the girls on offer were worth 1000. Of course, I paid more than I wanted to because I was feeling desperate and having a GF hotel in the heart of the action helped.

Sometimes sex is about doing something different or risky. And whilst walking around near the Grand Palace, I found myself on Burana Sat Road, the opportunity presented itself nicely. Lots of ordinary ladies, ages 20 through to 60, all shapes and sizes. Most were really not worth it. The 35 year old with only one eye however was not bad looking (as long as kept that eye closed! Not overweight and had good boobs. Her staring price was 400 Baht and it didn't see right to barter her down. The room was 100 Baht. So at 12 was my cheapest punt. The sex was good BBBJ, BBFS with CIP, BB anal and DFK- and filming. I want back the next day to find her but she was probably still spending my 400 Baht!

Saw several other girls in the same area, going up to 600 Baht with BB and filming. I turned down one really rough sleeper who wanted 300 Baht. A man has to have standards.

On my last night I paid 2000 Baht for a threesome with 2 ordinary girls outside Nana Plaza. Covered but still great fun with lots of videoing and girl on girl action. Not something that I am likely to get at home.[/QUOTE]Excellent intel, cheers for that. Will definitely be stopping to have a look at Burana Sat once my SE Asia trip kicks off in February.

[QUOTE=TConor;2971569]Problem?

But I stand by my comment to Ksalter123 , guys like him and the whole CIP crew are not helping matters here. Darwinism will eventually take care of the CIP guys as they go the way of the Dodo bird. But it may take longer than I'd like and the collateral damage is a sad by product of their selfish actions.[/QUOTE]I'm curious why other people doing BBFS bothers you so much? Do you think even if the girls 100% of the time use condoms with customers they also use condoms with their Thai boyfriends and husbands and boy bar pick ups? Or with the Farang who has been sending her money every month and is now in Thailand? Face it BB sex between adults is exceedingly common, more common than covered sex. If you are concerned, you can only protect yourself. Cover up, wear a full rubber suit, just look at them and jerk off, whatever meets your level of comfort. Nobody should judge you. So why judge others who make a different risk / benefit calculation than you?

Shouldn't all this BBFS talk be in anther section on the forum? Either way, let me add my thoughts. I personally don't do it, at least when I'm level headed enough to focus on the risk vs reward of it all. But knowing that it happens a lot more than people say, and it's far more common now than in years past, I remind myself to use condoms. Though, there have been a few times when by Beelzebub's balls, I was damn close to going bareback. The best we can do is just try to protect ourselves.

Although, I concur. I would recommend to our fellow hobbyists, cover up. It's up to you, but it's best for everyone since we're all sharing pussy after all. Then again, if that one fine young thing comes along and manages to make me more horny than logical, I might slip up too. We're only human after all.

Now, let's get back to the reports!

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2971745]Shouldn't all this BBFS talk be in anther section on the forum? Either way, let me add my thoughts. I personally don't do it, at least when I'm level headed enough to focus on the risk vs reward of it all. But knowing that it happens a lot more than people say, and it's far more common now than in years past, I remind myself to use condoms. Though, there have been a few times when by Beelzebub's balls, I was damn close to going bareback. The best we can do is just try to protect ourselves.

Although, I concur. I would recommend to our fellow hobbyists, cover up. It's up to you, but it's best for everyone since we're all sharing pussy after all. Then again, if that one fine young thing comes along and manages to make me more horny than logical, I might slip up too. We're only human after all.

Now, let's get back to the reports![/QUOTE]According to ISG General Rules and Posting Guidelines, talk about BBFS, BBFSCIP or any other sexual activity between consenting adult men and women is perfectly acceptable and appropriate in this and other forums.

What is NOT acceptable is for Members to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures. They may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread.

[B]Posting Guidelines[/B]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]No Safe Sex Complaints[/b]
Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However...

[B]No Safe Sex Bragging[/b]
Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

If you want to criticize another member for not following what you consider to be safe sex practices, then send him a PM.

It does no good to criticize members for not following what other members may consider to be safe sex practices for the following reasons:

It never serves to change any one's behavior.
It's a disincentive for members to contribute.
It almost always leads to arguments.
It provides a "cover" for Serial Antagonists to provoke other members.

To address the usual arguments:

If a guy wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's his risk and his business.

If a girl wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's her risk and her business.

If YOU want to protect yourself from either or both of the aforementioned parties, then YOU should use a condom for sex all the time and thus YOU will be protected from the allegedly unsafe sex practices of the other parties.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2971745]Shouldn't all this BBFS talk be in anther section on the forum?[/QUOTE]Some of it yes and some of it no. The forum rules prohibit safe sex flaming or safe sex bragging in the general discussion threads, that flaming can be done in the safe sex threads. It's OK to mention your experiences with or without condoms, but it cannot be the main focus of a report.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL]

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2971667]BB sex between adults is exceedingly common[/QUOTE]I just want to add a cautionary tale to this subject. I got a very severe case of herpes after a BJ from a street girl in Angeles City 9 years ago.

I have to take aciclovir twice a day otherwise the pain gets really intense. TBH it feels like there's an alien growing inside my veins.

I try to be sensible and honourable but I've never been able to use condoms so I usually take it off at some point.

Just know that if you play with fire, you're likely to get burned at some point.

I did BB for years in AC and Pattaya and thought I was indestructible but then I started racking up stds. Herpes is the worst of them all.

[QUOTE=TConor;2971569]
But I stand by my comment to Ksalter123 , guys like him and the whole CIP crew are not helping matters here. Darwinism will eventually take care of the CIP guys as they go the way of the Dodo bird. But it may take longer than I'd like and the collateral damage is a sad by product of their selfish actions.[/QUOTE]Darwinism is all about natural selection and survival of the fittest, isn't it? It wouldn't surprise me if people who bareback all the time, built up more resistance against STDs than people who never or only occasionally bareback. Just my two cents, I don't know if there is any scientific evidence for this.

And beside that: it wasn't nature that came up with the condom, was it? LOL.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2971513]It is a shame the Thai girls haven't learned about WhatsApp, as that app is much more intuitive and reliable.
[/QUOTE]Most of the chicks I know have Line and Whatsapp. Actually many have WhatsApp and not Line.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2971800]Darwinism is all about natural selection and survival of the fittest, isn't it? It wouldn't surprise me if people who bareback all the time, built up more resistance against STDs than people who never or only occasionally bareback. Just my two cents, I don't know if there is any scientific evidence for this.[/QUOTE]That is probably my case. I have never had anything. Maybe it worked out the same way for covid. Never got any shots or the virus.

I was in the Amazon jungle last year and went to a shaman for ayahuasca. It had no effect on me. He had to go make extra. Meanwhile the girl I was with was hallucinating so much that me and the shaman were laughing at her. After 5 hours and about 1. 5 liters of that shit he finally said you are strong and well protected. Now go to sleep in this hammock and wake me if you need anything.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2971800]Darwinism is all about natural selection and survival of the fittest, isn't it? It wouldn't surprise me if people who bareback all the time, built up more resistance against STDs than people who never or only occasionally bareback. Just my two cents, I don't know if there is any scientific evidence for this.
...[/QUOTE]I don't think there is any scientific evidence of this. And the lack of it suggests we can forget acquiring any "herd immunity" here on ISG (or within the red light communities). 555.

How times have changed. I remember 40 years ago on Soi Cowboy seeing Dr. Condom sponsor "street fairs" with maybe 5 or 6 informational booths right in the middle of the soi. They were complete with "games" in which every "competitor" would get a free condom. Occasionally the good doctor would enter a go go bar with his assistants and hand out condoms to the girls. Some would blow them up and bat them around like balloons. Covering up was solely a decision made by the customer. Interestingly, in the 70's, getting a blow job could be a challenge; now seems the girls would rather suck than fuck.

Back to regular programming.

Sam.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2971765]Some of it yes and some of it no. The forum rules prohibit safe sex flaming or safe sex bragging in the general discussion threads, that flaming can be done in the safe sex threads. It's OK to mention your experiences with or without condoms, but it cannot be the main focus of a report.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL][/QUOTE]It is interesting that the "it cannot be the main focus of the report" admonition appears only in the [B]No Safe Sex Complaints[/B] section of the General Rules and Posting Guidelines and, imo, quite clearly only in reference such complaints and "safe sex taunting":

[QUOTE]Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. [B]Such[/b] "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.[/QUOTE]The highlighting of the word "Such" was by me.

I would argue that the thing being said may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report is specifically "safe sex complaints and safe sex taunting" and not any reference to, say, where and how to get as much BBFSCIP as possible, even if the question and reference to BBFSCIP is the total focus of a report.

That is no different than when a question and the total focus of a report is about surcharges for Anal, Threesomes or Lesbian action. Reports on those topics, the total focus being on them or not, are acceptable but a report that is focused on complaining about those activities or taunting other members for engaging in them is not acceptable.

That is how I read it anyway unless there is a new ruling and clarification of it by the board authorities.

Hi Punters.

I have benefited from the hard work of my predecessor thus it is only fitting that I add my own little contributions.

Disclaimer: Please note the following is MY OWN HUMBLE OPINIONS ONLY. Everyone's experience and expectations would be different.

I spent 5 days and this is my takeaway.

Day 1 - just got off a 10+ hour flight from Australia. Whilst on the way to the hotel, being stuck in traffic, what does one do? I got on ThaiFriendly (aka Tinder and I opted for the paid version as I wanted to 'maximise' my chances in BKK.) Alas, I connected with a freelance (I'm deliberately spelling this out / repeating what others may have said for the benefit of our newbie punters so they don't have to look everything up like I did. I got her a Grab (a. K. a Uber elsewhere) and got her to the hotel I was staying. Most communication was done via WhatsApp. I didn't feel comfortable discussing prices and details etc on TF as I not sure of their policy. Once I connected with the girl, I would try and pivot the conversation on either WhatsApp or LINE. Damage was $5 k for ST (short time, so. 1-2 hours). Feeling tired from my flight, I called it a night.

Side note, I note that a previous punter said that his TF was inundated with messages / offers. He must be much better looking than I as I didn't have such experience. I had to actively seek and initiate conversation with the girls which I don't mind. Also, I did find that ladyboys tend to be quite upfront and would note their orientation in their profile which (no judgment) I am thankful for. I like to know what I am ordering.

Day 2 - Visiting Nana Plaza was high up on my Wishlist so I made an effort to be there just after 7 pm when they opened. As I was walking towards NP, I saw some very attractive girls converging very quickly towards NP. I guessed that they are rushing not to be late for work.

When I got there (armed with the knowledge of my predecessors) I decided to start at the top floor and work my way down. First stop was Billboard. This place is definitely seen to be believed. They had a bathtub and inside, the ladies were topless. Which I found particularly helpful as I am a fan of natural. Then in the other side of the room was a carrousel where the girls would be on display and slowly spun around offering you a comprehensive view both front and back. After a few songs, the girls would rotate off / on stage etc. So I took my time just trying to take everything in. I think BB has the best setup of all the gogo bars I visited (thought I only visited 3) simply for the fact of the carousel setup offering punters a 360 view. In the other gogo bars, whist very nice, your view of the selection of the ladies are more restricted (more on that later). Despite the abundance of choices, I decided to keep my powder dry a visited Butterfly (just opposite BB). Butterfly and BB must be the same owner / management, they set up are remarkably similar except the latter didn't have the carousel which I now grow to appreciate its value. In both of these places, I found there is a large proportion of ladies with big tattoos (beauty is in the eye of the beholder and tattoos are just not my thing).

Again, decided to move to the next one, Rainbow 4. This place felt more crowded than the previous two as the room was long and skinny. The stage is one long catwalk. In all these places, the girls would take turns being on stage. However once they are on stage, they tend to just stay in one spot, they don'ts spin around so you see their front and back nor do they move around. Meaning you will see the same small group of girls for the entire duration that they are on stage.

Later I found out that you can tell the staff you want to have a walk around to get a different perspective. However, being a newbie myself on the gogo bar scene, I just sat quietly where I was told. In all 3 gogo bars the ladies wore bikinis on stage.

I did finally spot a girl of my type. I told the mamasan her number and she came down next to me for a lady drink. I don't remember exactly how much these drinks were but it wasn't enough to leave an impression on me. The mamasan also wanted a drink too so I said why not. This girl knowledge of English was a good, an important factor for me as communicating through google while doing the good deed is a mood killer for me.

We discussed LT (long time) which is basically 6 hours for $8 k + $1 k bar fine. So off we went. We got on so well that I asked her to stay the night, she wanted another $4 k and I said ok. (Yes, I can feel the wrath of the more seasoned punters) however I'm only here for a short time I want to make it as good as possible. My thinking was rather than negotiating over a $1 k here or there, give it to her, hopefully it makes a good impression and in turn leads to a better service.

Side note. Asking her to sleep over was a mistake though. I value and need my sleep and I didn't sleep well nor did she. She wasn't overly affectionate afterwards the deed was done, more like a roommate than a GF. So lesson learnt, LT is good for me as it allows me the right amount of time to get to know them better and not be in a rush. If you take a girl from NP, the time to find a hotel is counted in your session. Basically time starts when she sits down inside the club agreeing on $ with you.

Day 3 - rest day.

Day 4 - I wanted to try some of the soapy massages places. I have had them in my prior visits to BKK. I narrowed down to Poseidon and Aya. However all I could find was mixed reviews about older ladies etc so I decided to give them a miss and decided to go on TF again.

After some back and forth, I connected with a lady and I invited her to lunch first. (After my first experience, whist I won't go as far as to say I was catfished, let's just say the photos are heavily photoshopped and / or outdated.) Just to make sure she is my type. I offered to compensate her for her time to have lunch but she declined which was a positive in my books. After lunch I propositioned that we go back to my room which she agreed. $5 k for LT.

As my time in Bangkok was quickly draining to an end and I was running out of time to go through my Wishlist, I decided to head to Therme later that night to see for myself.

The place is underground. If it wasn't for the photos of others, I would have had a hard time finding this place. This place is run by papasans. Once through the door, you are directed to go buy a drink which I obliged. I arrived about 8. 30 to 9 pm. The girls are all just 'standing around'. The girls were dressed like in smart casual not particularly revealing or sexy like at NP. So it was a bit hard for me to form a conclusion if she is my type or not. With my drink in hand, I did a lap around and settled in an empty spot with the rest of the horny men (myself included). Again, I'll felt stupid if I did another loop and not talk to anyone (I know, it's just in my head) so I just walked to a different section of the 'middle bench' to get a different perspective. What I found interesting and fascinating was the lack of conversation between the men and the women. Like both parties know why they are there but the reluctance remains to stay in ones perceived comfort zone. I was like that too until I caught myself and decided to walk over and talk to a quiet looking cute girl otherwise I would regret it coming all this way just to 'stand' there also. I asked if she understood English. She said little. I offered to buy her a drink and she ordered a soft drink and some popcorn. She barely took a sip or a bite but I felt a bit rushed as she kept asking if I'm going to choose her. I ignored the first time she said it and tried to have a conversation with her then she brought it up again. Let's be very clear, the room setup (it is what it is) felt more like a high school dance with the awkwardness and everything. This time I said yes I want to choose you, how much for LT? $8 k. Done. Off we went back to my room.

Afterwards on each occasions with the ladies, I always offered a Grab to take the girls to 'home'. Most said yes and appreciated the small gesture.

Day 5 - I thought about going back to NP or Soi Cowboy but in the end, decided to contact the girl I had met on Day 2 from Rainbow 4. I asked if she want to have dinner. Luckily she didn't have to work and said yes. I proposed us have dinne and another $8 k for LT. Had a great time and laugh. She chose a French restaurant and judging by her demeanour I would say she didn't have had French before, in a funny way, not snobbish way. She was impressed by the delicacy of the dishes.

The restaurant had just opened and don't have a credit card machine set up, the only way to pay is to scan the QR code which I'm told only local people can do or pay cash. Dinner was $4 k and she offered to pay for dinner first (at this point in time, I haven't paid her anything yet). I was touched by her gesture that when it came time to say our goodbyes, I gave here $2 k extra tip (total $10 k) in the end because I had a good time and found her to be nice and genuine.

Said goodbye, wish her safe travel home and went to bed as I had an early flight the next day. Left BKK very happy with my adventures.

In all the occasions I decided to bring the girls back to my hotel room. I don't feel comfortable in a ST hotel. I took the advice of other punters and just put everything valuable in the safe that is provided in the room, keep outside only what you are going to pay her. Keep the room declutter. I stayed at the JW Marriot and the staff were great. We offered her ID to the concierge once but they declined.

Hope others find this rant to be of use.

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge5;2971850].[/QUOTE]I understand that you were only here for a few days but the prices you paid are insane.

Last 3 times I went to Pattaya, I had a ST with the most beautiful girl I've ever had the pleasure of.

And I paid her 1000 thb each time. No tips.

If I was going to pay a girl 10 k she'd have to look like Miss World and be covered in white chocolate and cocaine.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2971800]Darwinism is all about natural selection and survival of the fittest, isn't it? It wouldn't surprise me if people who bareback all the time, built up more resistance against STDs than people who never or only occasionally bareback. Just my two cents, I don't know if there is any scientific evidence for this.

And beside that: it wasn't nature that came up with the condom, was it? LOL.[/QUOTE]Obviously, we both have a bias, I was thinking more along the line of their extinction as a specie like the Dodo bird.

At CuriousGeorge5.

I'm wondering about the babe in Thermae that nicked you for 8 K, got a description, where she was standing etc?

Happened to see an interesting YouTube video that featured a gal said to be a dancer at a Nana Plaza go go bar. The interviewer asked her a lot of questions and her answers confirmed much that is written on this board. If you have 20+ minutes to kill (and are interested) you can view it here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBz1TGaur24[/URL]

Sam.

P.S. I posted this to the BKK forum, as the information is BKK-related, though I suspect much / most of the info presented would apply to other RLDs in other cities.

I think there are two words in the Posting Guidelines section of the ISG General Rules regarding posts about Safe Sex or BBFS / BBFSCIP that can sometimes lead to a misunderstanding of the Guidelines on it because they are somewhat awkwardly placed and used.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971749][b]General Rules[/b]

According to ISG General Rules and Posting Guidelines, talk about BBFS, BBFSCIP or any other sexual activity between consenting adult men and women is perfectly acceptable and appropriate in this and other general discussion threads.

What is NOT acceptable is for Members to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures. They may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread.

[B]Posting Guidelines[/B]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL]
[b]No Safe Sex Complaints[/b]
Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However...

[B]No Safe Sex Bragging[/b]
Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

If you want to criticize another member for not following what you consider to be safe sex practices, then send him a PM.

It does no good to criticize members for not following what other members may consider to be safe sex practices for the following reasons:

It never serves to change any one's behavior.
It's a disincentive for members to contribute.
It almost always leads to arguments.
It provides a "cover" for Serial Antagonists to provoke other members.

To address the usual arguments:

If a guy wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's his risk and his business.

If a girl wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's her risk and her business.

If YOU want to protect yourself from either or both of the aforementioned parties, then YOU should use a condom for sex all the time and thus YOU will be protected from the allegedly unsafe sex practices of the other parties.[/QUOTE]Those two potentially misleading words are "However" and "[B]Bragging[/B]" as seen in the quote above between the first and second paragraph of the Posting Guidelines.

The placement of the word "However" suggests that an opposite or "on the other hand" admonition is about to follow the previous admonition. But that is not what follows. What follows is simply more of the same admonissions to post [B]No Safe Sex Complaints[/B] or "safe sex taunts" in the general discussion threads such as the Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports threads.

And the word "[B]Bragging[/B]" in the very next topic headline, [B]No Safe Sex Bragging[/B], that does immediately follow that word "However" is misleading because for many if not most men we expect to hear "bragging" from someone experiencing lots of BBFSCIP from many different women rather than from someone who rarely or never experiences it.

But read the entire section again and you will see the latter is exactly what that Guideline is about; admonishing Members not to "brag" about how wonderful they are to always engage in safe or safer sex, always wearing a condom for FS and perhaps other sex acts and lording it over the rest of us not doing so and for being sinful slackers.

To be clear, that Guideline is saying don't "brag" about engaging in safe or safer sex.

In the past some of us have been attacked by other Members for supposedly violating the ISG General Rules or Posting Guidelines for "bragging" about getting BBFSCIP with this or that lady, always preferring and negotiating for it etc as mentioned in our reports when in fact that admonission is not about that at all. It is about the exact opposite of that. The attackers had misread and / or misunderstood the Guideline about it.

Once we put those two words aside and not be misled or distracted by them, we see that every sentence in the Posting Guidelines on the topic of Safe Sex is telling Members who don't want or don't like others experiencing BBFSCIP or engaging in any sex act they deem to be unsafe or unwise to Shut The Fuck Up about it in the general discussion thread and keep your opinion and philosophy about that to yourselves, especially with regard to devoting the main focus of a post about it. The only possible exception being some comment in passing that is not the main point and focus of your report or post.

Otherwise, the Guideline makes it quite clear to take your "we should all wear condoms and be safe" opinion and philosophy to the Safe Sex Thread and keep it out of the general discussion threads such as the Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports threads.

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge5;2971850]Hi Punters.
I stayed at the JW Marriot and the staff were great. We offered her ID to the concierge once but they declined.
Hope others find this rant to be of use.[/QUOTE]That's the main reason many pay the $ to stay there IMO. They couldn't care if you bought back three guests including a midget, all would be treated by staff like they your wife.

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge5;2971850]
Side note, I note that a previous punter said that his TF was inundated with messages / offers. He must be much better looking than I as I didn't have such experience. I had to actively seek and initiate conversation with the girls which I don't mind. Also, I did find that ladyboys tend to be quite upfront and would note their orientation in their profile which (no judgment) I am thankful for. I like to know what I am ordering.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok I usually have to actively seek and initiate conversation with the girls as well in TF. I don't know how old you are, but I think it has more to do with age than with looks (I am almost 60).
TF works much better for me in Pattaya.

In the Privacy Options of TF you can select who can contact you: females, males, transgenders. If you don't select 'transgenders', they cannot see your profile, and you cannot see their profiles.
However, be aware that ladyboys sometimes sign up as female. But those profiles usually disappear after a while, when people report them.

Thanks for the extensive and detailed report.
I agree with Lechealot that you paid too much, but that doesn't matter. We all paid too much the first time we were in Thailand.

[QUOTE=LecheAlot;2971881]I understand that you were only here for a few days but the prices you paid are insane.

Last 3 times I went to Pattaya, I had a ST with the most beautiful girl I've ever had the pleasure of.

And I paid her 1000 thb each time. No tips.

If I was going to pay a girl 10 k she'd have to look like Miss World and be covered in white chocolate and cocaine.[/QUOTE]Where did you find this most beautiful girl?

Gentlemen, I have a question that is very subjective. Long story short: I'm an east coast (US) guy. I have a trip to Tijuana coming up in a couple weeks. I'm considering canceling that trip and taking that money and buying a ticket to BKK. I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? I know the flight is brutal. Perhaps I should add, I'm really most interested in nuru massage. I'd probably hit up some gogos a couple nights. But the primary purpose would be for the massages. If I can get over 30 hours each way for 6-ish days on the ground, is it crazy to do for a short trip?

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;2971960]Where did you find this most beautiful girl?[/QUOTE]I think it's Nana Plaza Schools Girl. Beautiful and 1,000. Got to be. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2971908]At CuriousGeorge5.

I'm wondering about the babe in Thermae that nicked you for 8 K, got a description, where she was standing etc?[/QUOTE]You making it sound like he got taken for a Ride. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2971911]Happened to see an interesting YouTube video that featured a gal said to be a dancer at a Nana Plaza go go bar. The interviewer asked her a lot of questions and her answers confirmed much that is written on this board. If you have 20+ minutes to kill (and are interested) you can view it here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBz1TGaur24[/URL]

Sam.

P.S. I posted this to the BKK forum, as the information is BKK-related, though I suspect much / most of the info presented would apply to other RLDs in other cities.[/QUOTE]Good find bro. I hope the DUD watches this and apologize s to us all.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2971976]Gentlemen, I have a question that is very subjective. Long story short: I'm an east coast (US) guy. I have a trip to Tijuana coming up in a couple weeks. I'm considering canceling that trip and taking that money and buying a ticket to BKK. I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? I know the flight is brutal. Perhaps I should add, I'm really most interested in nuru massage. I'd probably hit up some gogos a couple nights. But the primary purpose would be for the massages. If I can get over 30 hours each way for 6-ish days on the ground, is it crazy to do for a short trip?[/QUOTE]Personally, I think that's a bit too short for a trip that far, especially given the fact that you'll likely need an entire day to recover from that long-ass flight. I would suggest ten days or two weeks minimum. But that's just me. What you're planning can be done and you'd definitely have fun, but I'd want more than five or six days to look around and play if I were going to travel that far, especially if it were my first time there. And I would skip Tijuana, regardless.

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge5;2971850]Hi Punters.

I have benefited from the hard work of my predecessor thus it is only fitting that I add my own little contributions.

Disclaimer: Please note the following is MY OWN HUMBLE OPINIONS ONLY. Everyone's experience and expectations would be different.

I spent 5 days and this is my takeaway.

Day 1 - just got off a 10+ hour flight from Australia. Whilst on the way to the hotel, being stuck in traffic, what does one do? I got on ThaiFriendly (aka Tinder and I opted for the paid version as I wanted to 'maximise' my chances in BKK.) Alas, I connected with a freelance (I'm deliberately spelling this out / repeating what others may have said for the benefit of our newbie punters so they don't have to look everything up like I did. I got her a Grab (a. K. a Uber elsewhere) and got her to the hotel I was staying. Most communication was done via WhatsApp. I didn't feel comfortable discussing prices and details etc on TF as I not sure of their policy. Once I connected with the girl, I would try and pivot the conversation on either WhatsApp or LINE. Damage was $5 k for ST (short time, so. 1-2 hours). Feeling tired from my flight, I called it a night.

Side note, I note that a previous punter said that his TF was inundated with messages / offers. He must be much better looking than I as I didn't have such experience. I had to actively seek and initiate conversation with the girls which I don't mind. Also, I did find that ladyboys tend to be quite upfront and would note their orientation in their profile which (no judgment) I am thankful for. I like to know what I am ordering.

Day 2 - Visiting Nana Plaza was high up on my Wishlist so I made an effort to be there just after 7 pm when they opened. As I was walking towards NP, I saw some very attractive girls converging very quickly towards NP. I guessed that they are rushing not to be late for work.

When I got there (armed with the knowledge of my predecessors) I decided to start at the top floor and work my way down. First stop was Billboard. This place is definitely seen to be believed. They had a bathtub and inside, the ladies were topless. Which I found particularly helpful as I am a fan of natural. Then in the other side of the room was a carrousel where the girls would be on display and slowly spun around offering you a comprehensive view both front and back. After a few songs, the girls would rotate off / on stage etc. So I took my time just trying to take everything in. I think BB has the best setup of all the gogo bars I visited (thought I only visited 3) simply for the fact of the carousel setup offering punters a 360 view. In the other gogo bars, whist very nice, your view of the selection of the ladies are more restricted (more on that later). Despite the abundance of choices, I decided to keep my powder dry a visited Butterfly (just opposite BB). Butterfly and BB must be the same owner / management, they set up are remarkably similar except the latter didn't have the carousel which I now grow to appreciate its value. In both of these places, I found there is a large proportion of ladies with big tattoos (beauty is in the eye of the beholder and tattoos are just not my thing).

Again, decided to move to the next one, Rainbow 4. This place felt more crowded than the previous two as the room was long and skinny. The stage is one long catwalk. In all these places, the girls would take turns being on stage. However once they are on stage, they tend to just stay in one spot, they don'ts spin around so you see their front and back nor do they move around. Meaning you will see the same small group of girls for the entire duration that they are on stage.

Later I found out that you can tell the staff you want to have a walk around to get a different perspective. However, being a newbie myself on the gogo bar scene, I just sat quietly where I was told. In all 3 gogo bars the ladies wore bikinis on stage.

I did finally spot a girl of my type. I told the mamasan her number and she came down next to me for a lady drink. I don't remember exactly how much these drinks were but it wasn't enough to leave an impression on me. The mamasan also wanted a drink too so I said why not. This girl knowledge of English was a good, an important factor for me as communicating through google while doing the good deed is a mood killer for me.

We discussed LT (long time) which is basically 6 hours for $8 k + $1 k bar fine. So off we went. We got on so well that I asked her to stay the night, she wanted another $4 k and I said ok. (Yes, I can feel the wrath of the more seasoned punters) however I'm only here for a short time I want to make it as good as possible. My thinking was rather than negotiating over a $1 k here or there, give it to her, hopefully it makes a good impression and in turn leads to a better service.

Side note. Asking her to sleep over was a mistake though. I value and need my sleep and I didn't sleep well nor did she. She wasn't overly affectionate afterwards the deed was done, more like a roommate than a GF. So lesson learnt, LT is good for me as it allows me the right amount of time to get to know them better and not be in a rush. If you take a girl from NP, the time to find a hotel is counted in your session. Basically time starts when she sits down inside the club agreeing on $ with you.

Day 3 - rest day.

Day 4 - I wanted to try some of the soapy massages places. I have had them in my prior visits to BKK. I narrowed down to Poseidon and Aya. However all I could find was mixed reviews about older ladies etc so I decided to give them a miss and decided to go on TF again.

After some back and forth, I connected with a lady and I invited her to lunch first. (After my first experience, whist I won't go as far as to say I was catfished, let's just say the photos are heavily photoshopped and / or outdated.) Just to make sure she is my type. I offered to compensate her for her time to have lunch but she declined which was a positive in my books. After lunch I propositioned that we go back to my room which she agreed. $5 k for LT.

As my time in Bangkok was quickly draining to an end and I was running out of time to go through my Wishlist, I decided to head to Therme later that night to see for myself.

The place is underground. If it wasn't for the photos of others, I would have had a hard time finding this place. This place is run by papasans. Once through the door, you are directed to go buy a drink which I obliged. I arrived about 8. 30 to 9 pm. The girls are all just 'standing around'. The girls were dressed like in smart casual not particularly revealing or sexy like at NP. So it was a bit hard for me to form a conclusion if she is my type or not. With my drink in hand, I did a lap around and settled in an empty spot with the rest of the horny men (myself included). Again, I'll felt stupid if I did another loop and not talk to anyone (I know, it's just in my head) so I just walked to a different section of the 'middle bench' to get a different perspective. What I found interesting and fascinating was the lack of conversation between the men and the women. Like both parties know why they are there but the reluctance remains to stay in ones perceived comfort zone. I was like that too until I caught myself and decided to walk over and talk to a quiet looking cute girl otherwise I would regret it coming all this way just to 'stand' there also. I asked if she understood English. She said little. I offered to buy her a drink and she ordered a soft drink and some popcorn. She barely took a sip or a bite but I felt a bit rushed as she kept asking if I'm going to choose her. I ignored the first time she said it and tried to have a conversation with her then she brought it up again. Let's be very clear, the room setup (it is what it is) felt more like a high school dance with the awkwardness and everything. This time I said yes I want to choose you, how much for LT? $8 k. Done. Off we went back to my room.

Afterwards on each occasions with the ladies, I always offered a Grab to take the girls to 'home'. Most said yes and appreciated the small gesture.

Day 5 - I thought about going back to NP or Soi Cowboy but in the end, decided to contact the girl I had met on Day 2 from Rainbow 4. I asked if she want to have dinner. Luckily she didn't have to work and said yes. I proposed us have dinne and another $8 k for LT. Had a great time and laugh. She chose a French restaurant and judging by her demeanour I would say she didn't have had French before, in a funny way, not snobbish way. She was impressed by the delicacy of the dishes.

The restaurant had just opened and don't have a credit card machine set up, the only way to pay is to scan the QR code which I'm told only local people can do or pay cash. Dinner was $4 k and she offered to pay for dinner first (at this point in time, I haven't paid her anything yet). I was touched by her gesture that when it came time to say our goodbyes, I gave here $2 k extra tip (total $10 k) in the end because I had a good time and found her to be nice and genuine.

Said goodbye, wish her safe travel home and went to bed as I had an early flight the next day. Left BKK very happy with my adventures.

In all the occasions I decided to bring the girls back to my hotel room. I don't feel comfortable in a ST hotel. I took the advice of other punters and just put everything valuable in the safe that is provided in the room, keep outside only what you are going to pay her. Keep the room declutter. I stayed at the JW Marriot and the staff were great. We offered her ID to the concierge once but they declined.

Hope others find this rant to be of use.[/QUOTE]Curious why you felt compelled to pay 2 and 3 times the going rate that you should have? 8000 baht for short time? This just builds an expectation among the girls that this is the going rate now, so thanks for helping drive the prices up for the rest of us. Smh.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2971911][b]Lots of Info Here Confirmed by a Nana Plaza Dancer[/b]
Happened to see an interesting YouTube video that featured a gal said to be a dancer at a Nana Plaza go go bar. The interviewer asked her a lot of questions and her answers confirmed much that is written on this board. If you have 20+ minutes to kill (and are interested) you can view it here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBz1TGaur24[/URL]

Sam.

P.S. I posted this to the BKK forum, as the information is BKK-related, though I suspect much / most of the info presented would apply to other RLDs in other cities.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is an interesting video.

But I can't agree that her answers "confirm" anything rather than simply "repeat" much that is written on this board.

For example, she dismisses the idea that STDs or STIs are an issue for her or her fellow Sex Workers / Go Go Girls in Thailand and such little concern for the local industry that they no longer conduct free monthly testing for them in the bar areas.

And that comes as she also admits her co-workers will on occasion have sex without a condom for an extra tip or whatever even though she doesn't. Uh. Ok. I wouldn't expect her to admit she does that on a video destined for YouTube where her friends, family, any repeat customers or sponsors who would be riled up to hear she is barebacking with anyone but them as well as her supposedly former Male Hooker and now current boyfriend would surely recognize her despite the blurred face disguise.

While I might want to take that bit regarding little or no worries about STDs and STIs in the business today as "confirmation" of my observation and experiences in the hobby, it falls in stark contrast to what others have written here and must certainly fail to "confirm" their observation and experiences.

The same with her side comment that "prostitution is illegal in Thailand". Does her saying so "confirm" anything? In my observation, only that she has never read The Thai Penal Code or The Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act that have been probed, examined, parsed and discussed here. And if she did even she could not find a sentence or passage that specifically outlaws the simple exchange of sex for money between consenting adults, as apparently neither has any law enforcement agency nor court of law in Thailand.

However, again, some here would take her side comment as "confirmation" of what they or others have written while I would just take it as a Thai Sex Worker merely repeating what her friends and family have ever said about it and falsely conclude about it when people are arrested only for the usual tangential prostitution-related behaviors that are clearly described and cited in The Code and The Act but never for prostitution between consenting adults itself.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2972044]Personally, I think that's a bit too short for a trip that far, especially given the fact that you'll likely need an entire day to recover from that long-ass flight. I would suggest ten days or two weeks minimum. But that's just me. What you're planning can be done and you'd definitely have fun, but I'd want more than five or six days to look around and play if I were going to travel that far, especially if it were my first time there. And I would skip Tijuana, regardless.[/QUOTE]Tijuana mongering is mostly about finding Latinas in the bars like Hong Kong, and Chicago Club. Latinas there tend to be short and thick and between 25-40 years old, though you can find the occasional spinner and once in a blue moon you can find a very slim 18-20 year-old as well. These sessions are generally fairly mechanical and are priced in 30-minute or maybe 60-minute increments. You will need to be fairly young, good looking, speak Spanish well and have decent game to get a true GFE or PSE experience. Generally, a one-hour CBJ and CFS session will cost between $80-$120 (varies by club, time of day, and her looks / age).

There are massage spas in Tijuana, but again, these will be more mechanical (think "rub and tug") than you might find in SE Asia. And a massage session with FS ending is likely more expensive than taking a bar girl to a room.

In addition, Tijuana is, well, filthy. Cracked sidewalks, poor infrastructure (hot water in your hotel is a coin toss), and rising crime from street thieves, crooked cops, and con men as well as serious threats from drug cartels has made it a no-go zone for me since 2015. The only positive aspect is that I can be across the border after a 3-4 hour drive.

Having said all that, I will agree that with flight time and jet lag recovery, a 7-day trip is really only about 4 days of actual "Time Over Target" opportunity in Thailand.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2972092]Tijuana mongering is mostly about finding Latinas in the bars like Hong Kong, and Chicago Club. Latinas there tend to be short and thick and between 25-40 years old, though you can find the occasional spinner and once in a blue moon you can find a very slim 18-20 year-old as well. These sessions are generally fairly mechanical and are priced in 30-minute or maybe 60-minute increments. You will need to be fairly young, good looking, speak Spanish well and have decent game to get a true GFE or PSE experience. Generally, a one-hour CBJ and CFS session will cost between $80-$120 (varies by club, time of day, and her looks / age).

There are massage spas in Tijuana, but again, these will be more mechanical (think "rub and tug") than you might find in SE Asia. And a massage session with FS ending is likely more expensive than taking a bar girl to a room.

In addition, Tijuana is, well, filthy. Cracked sidewalks, poor infrastructure (hot water in your hotel is a coin toss), and rising crime from street thieves, crooked cops, and con men as well as serious threats from drug cartels has made it a no-go zone for me since 2015. The only positive aspect is that I can be across the border after a 3-4 hour drive.

Having said all that, I will agree that with flight time and jet lag recovery, a 7-day trip is really only about 4 days of actual "Time Over Target" opportunity in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yeup, no reason to go to Tijuana at all for the reasons you described.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2971976]Gentlemen, I have a question that is very subjective. Long story short: I'm an east coast (US) guy. I have a trip to Tijuana coming up in a couple weeks. I'm considering canceling that trip and taking that money and buying a ticket to BKK. I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? I know the flight is brutal. Perhaps I should add, I'm really most interested in nuru massage. I'd probably hit up some gogos a couple nights. But the primary purpose would be for the massages. If I can get over 30 hours each way for 6-ish days on the ground, is it crazy to do for a short trip?[/QUOTE]I've done short trips from the West Coast to say Angeles or BKK for one week back in the days when I felt it was worth it. I wouldn't today. I had the benefit of direct flights about 12-15 hours or maybe 18-20 hours with connections. But the way the scene is now (and maybe because I am older), I probably wouldn't bother. Having said that, since your baseline is Tijuana, you may actually be amazed and have a great time. Try it once and see. 6 days you can get the flavor, go go, massage, BJ bars, FL etc. Don't decide up front what you will enjoy most. Try them all and decide.

Without getting into too much sp I don't out myself I generally stay away from this topic. I have decades of experience in Thailand often multiple times a year. A one week trip is just too short. You lose two days getting there because of the time difference that you mostly get back on the return but you'll be jetlagged if that bothers you.

Tijuana and Bangkok are apples and orange. Ditto my Tijuana experience. I don't want to out myself. I think I van safely say that a trip to Thailand has a potential to change your outlook on life. A trip to Tijuana will make you appreciate going home.

Sex aside, the culture, the food (not just Thai) and overall vibe are so much more interesting in Thailand that you'll feel like you're wasting flour time in Tijuana.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2972134]I've done short trips from the West Coast to say Angeles or BKK for one week back in the days when I felt it was worth it. I wouldn't today. I had the benefit of direct flights about 12-15 hours or maybe 18-20 hours with connections. But the way the scene is now (and maybe because I am older), I probably wouldn't bother. Having said that, since your baseline is Tijuana, you may actually be amazed and have a great time. Try it once and see. 6 days you can get the flavor, go go, massage, BJ bars, FL etc. Don't decide up front what you will enjoy most. Try them all and decide.[/QUOTE]

At the risk of being trolled (despite warnings from our admin), does anyone know if Truvada or similar PrEP can be purchased at a pharmacy in BKK without a doctor's prescription?

I would prefer a location in Sukhumvit. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2972161]At the risk of being trolled (despite warnings from our admin), does anyone know if Truvada or similar PrEP can be purchased at a pharmacy in BKK without a doctor's prescription?

I would prefer a location in Sukhumvit. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

It can, but most pharmacies on Suhkumvit did not have it last I checked. The one that did have it was a large pharmacy near Nana, on the side closest to Asoke, and same side of the road as Terminal 21. The pharmacy is called South-East Asia pharmacy, or something like that, if I remember correctly.

However, I would much more recommend going to the place I mention here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-and-Sex-Related-Discussions-in-Thailand&p=2970167&viewfull=1#post2970167[/URL]

The reduced price of PrEP there, if you buy two extra bottles, means the included std and kidney tests will be more or less free.

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[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2972044]Personally, I think that's a bit too short for a trip that far, especially given the fact that you'll likely need an entire day to recover from that long-ass flight. I would suggest ten days or two weeks minimum. But that's just me. What you're planning can be done and you'd definitely have fun, but I'd want more than five or six days to look around and play if I were going to travel that far, especially if it were my first time there. And I would skip Tijuana, regardless.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that's exactly the type of opinion I'm interested in. I have thought about spending two weeks and I might still do that. If I go the 6 day route, I'm counting an additional day to allow for the extreme jet lag. Personally, 2025 will be a transition year for me. Not sure what my mongering future holds, but getting to Thailand is a priority, even if it's a grind to get it done in a week. It just seems like something I can't miss.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2972092]Tijuana mongering is mostly about finding Latinas in the bars like Hong Kong, and Chicago Club. Latinas there tend to be short and thick and between 25-40 years old, though you can find the occasional spinner and once in a blue moon you can find a very slim 18-20 year-old as well. These sessions are generally fairly mechanical and are priced in 30-minute or maybe 60-minute increments. You will need to be fairly young, good looking, speak Spanish well and have decent game to get a true GFE or PSE experience. Generally, a one-hour CBJ and CFS session will cost between $80-$120 (varies by club, time of day, and her looks / age).

There are massage spas in Tijuana, but again, these will be more mechanical (think "rub and tug") than you might find in SE Asia. And a massage session with FS ending is likely more expensive than taking a bar girl to a room.

In addition, Tijuana is, well, filthy. Cracked sidewalks, poor infrastructure (hot water in your hotel is a coin toss), and rising crime from street thieves, crooked cops, and con men as well as serious threats from drug cartels has made it a no-go zone for me since 2015. The only positive aspect is that I can be across the border after a 3-4 hour drive.

Having said all that, I will agree that with flight time and jet lag recovery, a 7-day trip is really only about 4 days of actual "Time Over Target" opportunity in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comparison. It's valuable to me. I've probably logged over 100 nights in Tijuana, so I'm familiar with the game there. And I'm not sure how long it's been since your last visit, but your representation is accurate. (Though $80 in today's environment would be rare. Typically, I'm happy at $100.) And you are right about those massages, which is exactly why BKK is calling me.

You highight another important distinction. In many ways, Latinas and Thai women are opposites, physically. Personally, I'm drawn to Latinas. That's a mild concern to me. Generally speaking, facial beauty is most important to me. And a girl can be too skinny, IMO. But, ai do find Asian women attractive and I'm certain there are more than a few fish out there that I'll find more than acceptable.

Thanks for the input.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2972134]I've done short trips from the West Coast to say Angeles or BKK for one week back in the days when I felt it was worth it. I wouldn't today. I had the benefit of direct flights about 12-15 hours or maybe 18-20 hours with connections. But the way the scene is now (and maybe because I am older), I probably wouldn't bother. Having said that, since your baseline is Tijuana, you may actually be amazed and have a great time. Try it once and see. 6 days you can get the flavor, go go, massage, BJ bars, FL etc. Don't decide up front what you will enjoy most. Try them all and decide.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I would feel much better about a week trip with a 12-15 direct flight. But from homebase, the shortest route is at 25 hours. Brutal.

That said, I think back (many years ago) to my first visit to HK in Tijuana. Or my first visit to Medellin, or other locales. For whatever reason, I think it's almost impossible to recapture the magic of that first experience. And I'm debating with myself. Does that first BKK visit overcome the beatdown of the trip. The internal debate goes on. LOL. Thank you for your thoughts!

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2972158]Without getting into too much sp I don't out myself I generally stay away from this topic. I have decades of experience in Thailand often multiple times a year. A one week trip is just too short. You lose two days getting there because of the time difference that you mostly get back on the return but you'll be jetlagged if that bothers you.

Tijuana and Bangkok are apples and orange. Ditto my Tijuana experience. I don't want to out myself. I think I van safely say that a trip to Thailand has a potential to change your outlook on life. A trip to Tijuana will make you appreciate going home.

Sex aside, the culture, the food (not just Thai) and overall vibe are so much more interesting in Thailand that you'll feel like you're wasting flour time in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]LOL I do appreciate home after visiting Tijuana. It was my first international experience with this hobby and it will always have some weird nostalgia to me. But your point is well received. I'll be honest, Asia in general is very foreign to me. So that is a bit intimidating, yet simulataneously alluring. The food, the language, the customs. All unknowns to me. But I'm adaptable and always uber respectful and aware I'm a guest.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2971976] My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? [/QUOTE]It is 5 to 7 days better than going anywhere else in the world for 5-7 days. Especially Tijuana, which is a sewer.

There are slums and dirty messes in Bangkok, but the lower Sukhumvit area has been radically cleaned up in the last decade or so. The transit system is outstanding.

And as for jet lag -- everybody deals with that differently, but I sleep on the plane and force myself into the local time zone the next day. Never takes more than 24 hours. Get lots of sunshine.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2972215]It is 5 to 7 days better than going anywhere else in the world for 5-7 days. Especially Tijuana, which is a sewer.[/QUOTE]The only reason to go to Tijuana is if you are already in San Diego. I would never make a special trip just to go there and I have been going there for almost 35 years.

Anyone who's on limited time and not pressed for money would understand. Worth it just in terms of time saved and the drama of negotiations avoided.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2972045]Curious why you felt compelled to pay 2 and 3 times the going rate that you should have? 8000 baht for short time? This just builds an expectation among the girls that this is the going rate now, so thanks for helping drive the prices up for the rest of us. Smh.[/QUOTE]

You have a solid plan for all activities including back ups before you arrive including lining up TF types.

Personally I don't even mind the jet lag phase as I get outcall "massages" between naps till I'm 100%. It's pricier than going out but personally worth the convenience.

Also, once you have a rough plan, see if it justifies the trip in your head again before deciding.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2971976]Gentlemen, I have a question that is very subjective. Long story short: I'm an east coast (US) guy. I have a trip to Tijuana coming up in a couple weeks. I'm considering canceling that trip and taking that money and buying a ticket to BKK. I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? I know the flight is brutal. Perhaps I should add, I'm really most interested in nuru massage. I'd probably hit up some gogos a couple nights. But the primary purpose would be for the massages. If I can get over 30 hours each way for 6-ish days on the ground, is it crazy to do for a short trip?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2972158]Without getting into too much sp I don't out myself I generally stay away from this topic. I have decades of experience in Thailand often multiple times a year. A one week trip is just too short. You lose two days getting there because of the time difference that you mostly get back on the return but you'll be jetlagged if that bothers you.

Tijuana and Bangkok are apples and orange. Ditto my Tijuana experience. I don't want to out myself. I think I van safely say that a trip to Thailand has a potential to change your outlook on life. A trip to Tijuana will make you appreciate going home.

Sex aside, the culture, the food (not just Thai) and overall vibe are so much more interesting in Thailand that you'll feel like you're wasting flour time in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]I used to love Adelitas in Tijuana, and the Lengua tacos on the street corner near there.

But that's really it. A red light district in a filthy cesspool of crime and corruption.

Bangkok will blow the dudes mind if he hasnt ever been there, and it still blows my mind after 35 ish years.

6 days on the ground is just a taste. Especially with jet lag and the squirts from traveling etc. But hey, if he wants to spend the time after dreaming.

I'm not going to tell the dude not to come, but I have never come over for less than 2 weeks. Its a long road.

My advice to the dude is to avoind Fiw Fans and TF the net and get out there on the streets and hunt.

My friend and I are about to pack for our annual trip to Bangkok. Despite his advanced age (early 70's), he enjoys a joint or two before sex. He used to smuggle marijuana into the country, but of course this has been unnecessary in the last few years. He is now talking about smuggling some type of weed because he thinks marijuana has been criminalized again. Personally, I think anyone who smuggles drugs into Thailand at his age is showing signs of dementia!

In all seriousness, we cannot figure out if this is true. Google is no help, as there are numerous links to stories about how the status of marijuana will change in 2025 (ie, today). But, there is nothing to indicate that this change in the law has actually happened.

Can someone who is actually in Thailand help him? Is marijuana still legal in the Land of Smiles?

If all the articles you're referring to are over a month old, then they're just reporting a promise that wasn't fulfilled (end legal last night).

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2972295]My friend and I are about to pack for our annual trip to Bangkok. Despite his advanced age (early 70's), he enjoys a joint or two before sex. He used to smuggle marijuana into the country, but of course this has been unnecessary in the last few years. He is now talking about smuggling some type of weed because he thinks marijuana has been criminalized again. Personally, I think anyone who smuggles drugs into Thailand at his age is showing signs of dementia!

In all seriousness, we cannot figure out if this is true. Google is no help, as there are numerous links to stories about how the status of marijuana will change in 2025 (ie, today). But, there is nothing to indicate that this change in the law has actually happened.

Can someone who is actually in Thailand help him? Is marijuana still legal in the Land of Smiles?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2972216]And as for jet lag -- everybody deals with that differently, but I sleep on the plane and force myself into the local time zone the next day. Never takes more than 24 hours. Get lots of sunshine.[/QUOTE]I am astonished that anyone who comes to Thailand for the good food, the warm weather and the sex would bother to try to time shift if they are only staying 5 or 6 days. Rapid time shifting is painful! Studies of circadian rhythm (which is measured by looking at changes in core body temperature, serum cortisol levels, serum or salivary melatonin levels, etc) show that one cannot time shift more than one hour in each 24 hour period. In other words, to completely change time zones and feel normal, it would take a person from New York City 12 days to get into the Thai time zone. Your brain will rebel if you try and do this any more rapidly (even though some people seem to tolerate this pain better than others).

But for the typical sex tourist in Bangkok for a week holiday, rapid time shifting is unnecessary. All you need is a room in a hotel with curtains that truly block out the sun (so you can sleep during the daylight hours) and you are set.

The strategy is simple. Let's say that you usually go to be bed in New York at 10 pm and awaken at 6:00 am. In Thailand, you can go to bed at 10 am and wake up at 6:00 pm and your body will feel great. No need to fuck with your circadian rhythm whatsoever and you can still take advantage of the great restaurants and the party scene, which honestly doesn't get going until 10 pm or later.

This approach won't work for the business traveler (or someone from Europe, Africa or Asia), but if your "business" is enjoying the company of sexy Thai women, becoming a night owl for a short period will be painless.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2972303]I am astonished that anyone who comes to Thailand for the good food, the warm weather and the sex would bother to try to time shift if they are only staying 5 or 6 days. Rapid time shifting is painful! Studies of circadian rhythm (which is measured by looking at changes in core body temperature, serum cortisol levels, serum or salivary melatonin levels, etc) show that one cannot time shift more than one hour in each 24 hour period. In other words, to completely change time zones and feel normal, it would take a person from New York City 12 days to get into the Thai time zone. Your brain will rebel if you try and do this any more rapidly (even though some people seem to tolerate this pain better than others).

But for the typical sex tourist in Bangkok for a week holiday, rapid time shifting is unnecessary. All you need is a room in a hotel with curtains that truly block out the sun (so you can sleep during the daylight hours) and you are set.

The strategy is simple. Let's say that you usually go to be bed in New York at 10 pm and awaken at 6:00 am. In Thailand, you can go to bed at 10 am and wake up at 6:00 pm and your body will feel great. No need to fuck with your circadian rhythm whatsoever and you can still take advantage of the great restaurants and the party scene, which honestly doesn't get going until 10 pm or later.

This approach won't work for the business traveler (or someone from Europe, Africa or Asia), but if your "business" is enjoying the company of sexy Thai women, becoming a night owl for a short period will be painless.[/QUOTE]I agree. The last time I made a trip to South East Asia, and then back again, the jet lag really did a number on me. I like to think of myself as a pretty seasoned traveler, especially flights to half way round the world and back again. And in my younger days, it didn't bother me too much. I used to wonder what were people talking about 'jetlag' and so on. But at my old age now, for the first time in my life I actually felt the jet lag. I mean, I felt it. Took me damn near 2 weeks to really get back to normal.

But would I put up with it for a chance to be in Thailand again. You betcha! Anything to bang babes again. Anything. I'd sell my soul if anyone can direct me to someone willing to buy.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2971976]Gentlemen, I have a question that is very subjective. Long story short: I'm an east coast (US) guy. I have a trip to Tijuana coming up in a couple weeks. I'm considering canceling that trip and taking that money and buying a ticket to BKK. I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? I know the flight is brutal. Perhaps I should add, I'm really most interested in nuru massage. I'd probably hit up some gogos a couple nights. But the primary purpose would be for the massages. If I can get over 30 hours each way for 6-ish days on the ground, is it crazy to do for a short trip?[/QUOTE]Depending on your age, jet lag is not really a big deal. It'll effect old timers like me more, but I power through. Got to get in as much fucking as I can. But 5 to 7 days is really kinda short for a half way round the world trip like that. I'd say, give yourself minimum 10 days at least. There's so much to enjoy in Bangkok. The sights, the sounds, the foods, the chicks! Dude, all I can say is load up on your red bull cause don't waste your time sleeping. If you can manage 3 hours a night, you should be able to fuck aplenty in just 7 days. Make the most of it. The only downside is that Bangkok can be so addictive, you'll be dying to come back again. It's like the Hangover 2 said - "Bangkok has him now".

Don't waste your time with nana or cowboy. Go for a night each just to say you've experienced it. It's more expensive now than it's ever been. Massage joints, oilies and soapies is where it's at. You pick the chick from a line up, the hourly rate is way more reasonable. No mamasan hassle, don't have to bother with lady drinks or other obnoxious bar patrons. I'd say don't even bother with Thermae. I always give the same advice. Stick to the massage joints. Like the ones in Phrom Phong. You'll thank me later. Have fun at pound town!

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2972295]My friend and I are about to pack for our annual trip to Bangkok. Despite his advanced age (early 70's), he enjoys a joint or two before sex. He used to smuggle marijuana into the country, but of course this has been unnecessary in the last few years.[/QUOTE]Weed shops are everywhere and the place stinks with the stuff.

Gym closed today. [B]WTF[/B]. Went to get a manicure and a foot scrape at some random beauty salon. I was a walk in. Damn heels were dried and cracked from wearing flip flops all the time. Girl who serviced my beautiful feet wasn't bad looking. She did a gentle job. See after pic. Still some dryness but got some foot cream for that. Long story short. The whole time she kept sticking my foot against her tits and between her legs. Pressing against those boobs and her punanni. This was just a normal beauty salon as there were girls getting their lashes done and face exfoliated next to me by other salon workers. I was the only guy. When she was done she just smiled, thumped my dick through my shorts, and giggled. The rest in history in beast mode.

Why does this stuff happen to me all the time? Gym girls, grocery store check out girls, my female personal trainer, female roommates, dorm girls, hostel chicks in same room, and so on. Guess [B]GOD is GREAT![/B].

Me reminded of how much civie game can be had if you got that IT.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;2971960]Where did you find this most beautiful girl?[/QUOTE]She was just on beach road.

I thought there's no way she'd be working because she looked so good.

She's a bit more high class these days I believe.

I think I caught her quite early on.

We had three meet ups over two visits and I always gave her 1000.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2972311]the hourly rate is way more reasonable.[/QUOTE]How much we talking?

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2971976]Gentlemen, I have a question that is very subjective. Long story short: I'm an east coast (US) guy. I have a trip to Tijuana coming up in a couple weeks. I'm considering canceling that trip and taking that money and buying a ticket to BKK. I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? I know the flight is brutal. Perhaps I should add, I'm really most interested in nuru massage. I'd probably hit up some gogos a couple nights. But the primary purpose would be for the massages. If I can get over 30 hours each way for 6-ish days on the ground, is it crazy to do for a short trip?[/QUOTE]Seems you have quite a few answers — some yes and some no. I'the ask / answer a different question. If you were to go to somewhere other than Tijuana where should you go? Seems like you have been to Colombia? Where else? Not knowing where else you have been I'the offer the following:

Yes it is worth the pain to go to Thailand at least once, even if only six days on the ground. Definitely! (More on why below). But is it worth that pain to go again? Maybe not.

I think there are three primary girls destinations that every man should see — and for different reasons. My top three in order are:

São Paulo Brazil. Has venues for every budget and by and large the most sexually activated girls on the planet. If you like GFE and passionate girls you cannot beat Brazil. They must teach making out and BJ in middle school because I've never met a brasileira who won't kiss like you are her boyfriend. And the selection is mind blowing. Of course the best is Scandallo with over 150 sevens and up and a luxe club. But pricey. And you can easily have sex with a pretty girl for $30-50 at less posh venues. Hotels are easy to get for $100/ night and flights from US currently as cheap as $400 RT. 12-14 HR flight.

Bangkok. Yep I think it's number two on my list. Go for the neon sex extravaganza spectacle. Just to see and do Nana plaza is a worthy goal of any man. Billboard is my fave with revolving camel toe stage. Great fun and target rich but a fucking long haul as you already know.

Frankfurt / Zurich. The German FKK. Club with sauna, buffet and tons of naked women. What's not to like. A bit sharky and prices have escalated. You're not fucking anyone for $50 usd these days. But still quite a spectacle. Globe in Zurich is actually better for guaranteed good bedroom experience but Sharks in Frankfurt is more of a spectacle.

So yes. You must do Thailand. But for the spectacle not for the quality of the girls / sex. I would recommend you try the other two as much shorter flights. But def Thailand on the bucket list.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2972302]If all the articles you're referring to are over a month old, then they're just reporting a promise that wasn't fulfilled (end legal last night).[/QUOTE]Yep. Same as it ever was.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2971976]I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip?[/QUOTE]Everybody is different. I have friends that have only come for 2 or 3 days. An old Navy buddy's first time he came 3 days over Memorial Day weekend. On his way back home, during his stop over in Hong Kong he booked to come back again for 3 days during July 4th weekend. I have a buddy that came last month for 2 days. He stopped in Korea first and visited my brother for 1 day. I tell everybody they should at least do 6 days, but that is only because they may want to have stuff made.

But like I said everybody is different. Some people go into a hotel room and take all of their stuff out of their suitcase and arrange it in the drawers and closet like they are moving in. Some people like me can walk into a room and drop their bag and walk right out and start enjoying themselves. 1 day is better than 0 days, and no matter how long you stay, it will not be enough.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2972295]My friend and I are about to pack for our annual trip to Bangkok. Despite his advanced age (early 70's), he enjoys a joint or two before sex. He used to smuggle marijuana into the country, but of course this has been unnecessary in the last few years. He is now talking about smuggling some type of weed because he thinks marijuana has been criminalized again. Personally, I think anyone who smuggles drugs into Thailand at his age is showing signs of dementia!

In all seriousness, we cannot figure out if this is true. Google is no help, as there are numerous links to stories about how the status of marijuana will change in 2025 (ie, today). But, there is nothing to indicate that this change in the law has actually happened.

Can someone who is actually in Thailand help him? Is marijuana still legal in the Land of Smiles?[/QUOTE]Yes its legal and available everywhere. But even if it wasn't your 70 yo friend is insane to think about smuggling it in. Does he want to spend the rest of his short remaining time in a Thai prison? That's assuming he passes US airport security without getting caught. WTF is wrong with people? I thought I had heard of every stupid thing people could do while visiting SEA but this takes it to new levels!

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2971976]Gentlemen, I have a question that is very subjective. Long story short: I'm an east coast (US) guy. I have a trip to Tijuana coming up in a couple weeks. I'm considering canceling that trip and taking that money and buying a ticket to BKK. I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? I know the flight is brutal. Perhaps I should add, I'm really most interested in nuru massage. I'd probably hit up some gogos a couple nights. But the primary purpose would be for the massages. If I can get over 30 hours each way for 6-ish days on the ground, is it crazy to do for a short trip?[/QUOTE]On the one hand and IMHO BKK or Pat are great for the short 6-night visit. The action and venues are varied. The entertainment fun starts around noon every day right outside your hotel and ends when you want it to. For 6 nights choose one: BKK or Pat and enjoy the bounty! Tip: if you choose to visit BKK because you are looking for quality nuru, be sure not to overlook the top SOAPY massage parlors like Black Caviar, La Belle, or Maria Massage. You will not find nuru and these top-notch joints, but you will find quality girls and more times than not great service.

On the other hand, the 24 hour, minimum flight time, from South Florida to BKK vs. The 8 hour non-stop flight time from South Florida to Sao Paulo has greatly influenced my travel itinerary since 2021. SP is not BKK, I miss BKK and all the out in the open sexuality, commercialization, and glitter, and the food, but SP has very, very hot girls available at 2 different price points, relatively inexpensive (clinicas / afternoons) & expensive (boates / night).

Pre covid I used to travel SE Asia for around 12 weeks per visit annually. The reward always seemed worth suffering the 24 hour flight. Tip: get a prescription for Ambien from your physician. Change your watch to local BKK time upon boarding your plane and take an Ambien on the plane to sleep during the flight. Then take take another one when it is time to fall asleep at your destination to avoid the jet lag. Back in the day when Hong Kong was great, I used to stay over there for a couple of nights and then ferry down to Macau for 5 nights, before flying to BKK. It saved some initial flight time and those HKG Vietnamese & Chinese mainland girls in Macau were something.

Post covid I been travelling to SP, Brazil 2 or 3 times a year for 3 to 6 weeks per visit. I love the girls and the food is good although not as good as the food in BKK. I miss BKK, Pat, Phnom, Jakarta and Macau. The next time I can free up 10 to 12 weeks for travel I will go there.

Steve, SP reminds me of Jakarta a little where most of the naughty venues are scattered around town and found behind discreet closed doors. I have never been to the German FKK's, so I would say my favorite punting destinations in alphabetical order are: BKK, Jakarta, Macau, Pattaya, Phnom Penh, and Sao Paulo. I can have a great time in any one of these places with great girls. I would also include, but a little bit further down the best list is: Manila, Phuket, Yangon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2972404]Yep. Same as it ever was.[/QUOTE]I saw an advertisement for a dispensary online just like the one that is in that screen shot. I clicked on the contact link and sent them a message using Facebook Messenger. I immediately got a response back that they were closed for New Years, but would be open the next morning. But they were willing to deliver to my hotel. It felt just like New York City, except in New York City, there are less than 100 licensed dispensaries and more than 2000 existing dispensaries (see [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/nyregion/nyc-cannabis-dispensary-legal.html[/URL]). I assume that all of the dispensaries in Bangkok are actually legal, suggesting that there are even crazier places in the world than Thailand.

By the way, I agree with Steve9696 about Sao Paulo being right up there as one of the best places to monger in the world. I am not quite as keen on Sharks (an FKK in Frankfurt). I have only been there four times, but it was smoke filled and sometimes the Romanian girls were all huddled together and were a bit rude. Don't get me wrong, I like Sharks, but Frankfurt as a sex destination did not always work. I have tried the Eros Towers there but could never find the GFE experience that I was looking for.

After BKK and Sao Paulo, I vote for Medellin. Lots of possibilities there! Finally, there is the Dominican Republic, which I truly love. I almost exclusively do "non-pros" there (ie, girls who never look for money by doing prostitution but are unlikely to say no if offered compensation for sex). And the minimal time changes are far less painful in Brazil and the DR than BKK or Frankfurt. Sao Paulo is only 10 hours from JFK and the DR is only 4. I would be interested in other people's top 5 list. I have been to 54 countries, mongered in about half of these, and would love to add a few.

These countries get honorable mention: Spain, Kenya, Cuba, Denmark.
These countries were a disappointment: China since 2008 was by far the biggest disappointment (Beijing and Shanghai used to be outstanding and now they are terrible). In addition, South Korea, Taiwan, Sweden, Hungary and Czechoslovakia have all fallen short of expectations.

I am visiting BKK for first time next week. I have been reading on what to expect from Thermae and freelancer rates. It sounds like the average freelancer rate at Thermae right now is 2000-3000 BHT for short time and one shot. Can someone tell me what what is typical for a second shot? Is the second shot typically negotiated up front? I have been searching these boards for this info. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lumens;2972489]I am visiting BKK for first time next week. I have been reading on what to expect from Thermae and freelancer rates. It sounds like the average freelancer rate at Thermae right now is 2000-3000 BHT for short time and one shot. Can someone tell me what what is typical for a second shot? Is the second shot typically negotiated up front? I have been searching these boards for this info. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Can't comment on the Thermae but I did try the freelancer route both in BKK and Phuket. It's pretty straight forward in that you negotiate what you need. For me the 2nd shot is sometimes wishful thinking depending on how much drinking was done. My experience is very recent I. E. Dec 4-12. With the 3 or 4 freelancers I asked for it and could only do it in one instance. However all stayed with me about 2 hours which is my time limit before I bail to sleep. I assume if my stamina isn't back in that timeframe then so be it. I sometimes just use the extra time to get a rub or rub the tits, etc. Also, the price in BKK was lower, I think 2000 all-in about 2500 BHT for Phuket. Yet I found amazing girls in Phuket on the thaifriendly site. Also accurate pics with less photoshop at least in my limited experience, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Lumens;2972489]I am visiting BKK for first time next week. I have been reading on what to expect from Thermae and freelancer rates. It sounds like the average freelancer rate at Thermae right now is 2000-3000 BHT for short time and one shot. Can someone tell me what what is typical for a second shot? Is the second shot typically negotiated up front? I have been searching these boards for this info. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I don't do second shots. If I can get one up, I use it on a different girl.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2972522]I don't do second shots. If I can get one up, I use it on a different girl.[/QUOTE]Def the way I roll as well. As long as you have the coin, why rush a second shot and at my age prob not happening in that short time. Instead get back out in the nightlife. Watch the pussy parade at Nana for a couple hours and recharge. Pick another hottie from the girl-buffet and rinse repeat! This is the magic of Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2971388]

I've had two similar experiences during my two weeks so far actually. One was the night I arrived, where it was indeed the same person, but via some filter her weight had been reduced by at least 30 kg. She said in her message before coming over that she was chubby, but the person who arrived looked like she had swallowed the chubby girl whole. I was not even sure if we would be able to both travel up in the same elevator without setting of some weight alarm. Too add further to my embarrassment, the "maid" who had just let me in to my airbnb was still downstairs, sitting on the sofa, but politely looking the other way as I welcomed this buffalo.
Her face was somewhat cute though, so I decided to just fuck her face till I came. I'm guessing she is used to it, as she took it well, gagging and gasping for air until I came deep down her throat and paid her the agreed 1500. Actually she took it so well that sometimes I wonder if I should repeat, as I kind of have a sick fetish, or something, for that.
[/QUOTE]That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ.

I'm guessing she needs the money, so if anyone contributing member here shares that particular fetish I'll ask her if she minds me forwarding her line-ID.

She's about 20, is kinda sweet, and I guess would look somewhat cute if she lost 50 kg.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2972686]That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ.

I'm guessing she needs the money, so if anyone contributing member here shares that particular fetish I'll ask her if she minds me forwarding her line-ID.

She's about 20, is kinda sweet, and I guess would look somewhat cute if she lost 50 kg.[/QUOTE]Ok, that made me laugh out loud.

I'm fascinated to know just how big she is now. If you see her again please try and take a photo, obviously not her face but just to capture her size.

I might be interested as I am a bit of a chubby chaser LOL.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2972522]I don't do second shots. If I can get one up, I use it on a different girl.[/QUOTE]I'm at an age where managing the first shot is a welcome event.

Hi I'm looking for this girl.

[URL]https://smooci.com/escorts/SqRcjx[/URL]

She has stared in few porn scenes few years back but none recently.

Has anyone got any clues on her and where I can find her.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2972705]I'm at an age where managing the first shot is a welcome event.[/QUOTE]That's what throats are for. Show them a pic of how to do it.

I visited Thermae and saw a wide range of girls from 6-8's and at different ages.

I'm curious, what kind of girls work at Thermae?

Are they ordinary girls that come to Thermae to make quick extra cash occasionally?

Are they pros? But if they are pros why don't they just post on escort websites or work at massage places or at Nana?

Are they girls looking for long term sponsors? Why don't they post on Thai friendly?

Or maybe these girls have already worked at these other places, and Thermae is the best place for them to make money?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2973125]I visited Thermae and saw a wide range of girls from 6-8's and at different ages.

I'm curious, what kind of girls work at Thermae?

Are they ordinary girls that come to Thermae to make quick extra cash occasionally?

Are they pros? But if they are pros why don't they just post on escort websites or work at massage places or at Nana?

Are they girls looking for long term sponsors? Why don't they post on Thai friendly?

Or maybe these girls have already worked at these other places, and Thermae is the best place for them to make money?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Guess depends on what you define as pros and ordinary girls. I see a lot of familiar faces everytime I go but all except one said they have a day job (probably taken like 20 of them). When I've asked, they don't want people to know what they do so they don't want to be on websites. Maybe some of their friends know (some of them come w / friends to work there) but most likely don't want family to know. One I've seen did work the bar scene before starting Thermae. Another lady I messaged on thaifriendly before but she didn't respond until after I picked her up from Thermae a few days later and she confirmed that was her LOL (never saw her there again so maybe one time thing for her) Some of them have decent job for thailand, telling me they making 30k a month but yea easy quick cash at Thermae. From my experience they just want some extra cash and not looking for sponsors. Could make that in a week or less lol. Non of them ever msg me while I'm not in Thailand to try to get cash from me. When i first came to TH the bar girls are pretty much all from Isaan (maybe still the case) so guess Thermae is just where the locals go earn some extra cash.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2973131]Guess depends on what you.... [/QUOTE]Interesting information. Thanks.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2972045]Curious why you felt compelled to pay 2 and 3 times the going rate that you should have? 8000 baht for short time? This just builds an expectation among the girls that this is the going rate now, so thanks for helping drive the prices up for the rest of us. Smh.[/QUOTE]At first I was going to say the same thing.

But considering this guy goes to the JW Marriot. This person obviously has more disposable income than most people here. Most people would opt for the Carlton or Landmark or even something cheaper. But this guy is at $250 per night hotels. What probably happened is the "Up to you" trap. The girl probably said, Up to you. And he threw out the 8 k number each time. But yes, actual true going rate is like 3-4 K short time. 1 K bar fine. And this is December 2024 Rainbow 5 rates.

I also find Long time kinda waste of money. Because they always either decline it or they want to bail. Best to do ST. TLDR I feel like this is a newbie with diposable cash.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2973125]I visited Thermae and saw a wide range of girls from 6-8's and at different ages.

I'm curious, what kind of girls work at Thermae?

Are they ordinary girls that come to Thermae to make quick extra cash occasionally?

Are they pros? But if they are pros why don't they just post on escort websites or work at massage places or at Nana?

Are they girls looking for long term sponsors? Why don't they post on Thai friendly?

Or maybe these girls have already worked at these other places, and Thermae is the best place for them to make money?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I was back in BKK last month and did my usual visits to Thermae. One woman in her late 20's caught my eye, was rocking kind of a sexy goth Librarian look: all black clothes and hair, sexy black stiletto boots, etc, but with a full figure that I thought might be fun. Anyway, the session started off a bit slow back at the hotel, but picked up pretty quickly and successfully, and afterwards she invited me to have dinner with her. A couple of nights later we met up again for a very nice dinner at an EmQuartier spot and a FS session back at the hotel. Turns out she used to run her own restaurant in the north (Chiang Mai? Chiang Rai? But it closed down during COVID, and later her family lost their homes in the floods more recently. So she was at Thermae to save some $$ to help her family and re-open a restaurant. Was actually kind of fun having dinner with her at the EmQuartier spot, hearing her talk about the different spices etc.

At the dinner after our first session, her friend joined us, who had also just gotten off work at Thermae. She was a bit older, early 30's, and used to work as a tour guide in Bangkok and Ayutthara for foreigners, before losing that job during COVID too.

Another night I took home a young woman from Isaan, who said she was a student earning money on the side. But don't they all say that? None of them will really admit, well, I used to have dreams, but now I've been whoring here at this damn cafe for the past 10 years, putting out for shitheads, LOL.

During my visit in April I took home another woman who ran her own noodle shop in the daytime, and another who worked at a hair salon.

Hi, I can't even chat with a girl from Bangkok just because I can't find the right app.

But what app do they use besides Tinder that I don't want to use?

I mean a free app like Tagged or Mingle2, etc. Will there be at least 1 app to contact 1 Thai girl?

I would like to try a free app to see if I have a feeling with Thai girls, since I don't know Thailand at all.

Thanks for your info.

[QUOTE=JustLoggedInto;2973164]At first I was going to say the same thing.

But considering this guy goes to the JW Marriot. This person obviously has more disposable income than most people here. Most people would opt for the Carlton or Landmark or even something cheaper. But this guy is at $250 per night hotels. What probably happened is the "Up to you" trap. The girl probably said, Up to you. And he threw out the 8 k number each time. But yes, actual true going rate is like 3-4 K short time. 1 K bar fine. And this is December 2024 Rainbow 5 rates.

I also find Long time kinda waste of money. Because they always either decline it or they want to bail. Best to do ST. TLDR I feel like this is a newbie with diposable cash.[/QUOTE]I've never understood why somebody would think it appropriate to tell a complete stranger what to do with their money. I don't buy into the concept of 'don't pay more than I do or you'll mess it up for me'.

I've been visiting Thailand since 1980. I fly business class from London and I stay in nice hotels (but not quite as expensive as the Marriot). I know what the going rates are, but I'm not going to haggle over a few thousand baht if that's what it takes for a memorable encounter.

Hi.

I hope this is the right forum for this question. A mate of mine is in BK at the moment and he wants to get a shot for gonorrhea. He isn't sure at all that he has it but doesn't want to take the risk of coming back to the UK with it.

It seems to be no problem getting the shot in BK without even testing but they all want to see a copy of his passport. My friend is worried that the next time he visits Thailand again (perhaps with family) something might get mentioned by immigration officers.

Sounds unlikely but can anyone offer any reassurance on this?

Thanks.

(And it really is a friend and not me as I don't get to BK for another couple of weeks LOL).

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2973327]Hi.




Sounds unlikely but can anyone offer any reassurance on this?

.[/QUOTE]Run into any pharmacy for an amicilline cure.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2973309]I've never understood why somebody would think it appropriate to tell a complete stranger what to do with their money. I don't buy into the concept of 'don't pay more than I do or you'll mess it up for me'.[/QUOTE]I think this is a false memory or a case of the Mandela Effect that goes on on this website. Please quote the post where someone has said this. In 20 years on this website in countless threads, I have never read someone say when advising people on prices, that the person paying more was going to mess it up for the person giving the advice.

People that have this type of info are typically not worried about another messing it up for them because they are already entrenched in a system allowing them to pay less than an infrequent or price is not a concern visitor.

[QUOTE=Mari1256;2973333]Run into any pharmacy for an amicilline cure.[/QUOTE]There is no such drug as amicilline afaik.

If you are referring to ampicillin or amoxycillin then neither of those are effective against gonorrhea.

Nana plaza school girl looking hot in her Azteca Tribe Headwear.

Rainbow 4 had their see team on display. I saw 5 barfine s in 45 minutes though.

Rainbow 5 was Better.

No chance that Immigration or anyone would know about getting a shot, taking medicine, etc.

Chlamydia seems more prevalent than gonorrhea in Thailand. You could tell your friend to ask a pharmacist for antibiotics for these STDs and perhaps others too. There is reportedly some drug-resistant strains so multiple meds (or a shot if needed) may be advised.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2973327]Hi.

I hope this is the right forum for this question. A mate of mine is in BK at the moment and he wants to get a shot for gonorrhea. He isn't sure at all that he has it but doesn't want to take the risk of coming back to the UK with it.

It seems to be no problem getting the shot in BK without even testing but they all want to see a copy of his passport. My friend is worried that the next time he visits Thailand again (perhaps with family) something might get mentioned by immigration officers.

Sounds unlikely but can anyone offer any reassurance on this?

Thanks.

(And it really is a friend and not me as I don't get to BK for another couple of weeks LOL).[/QUOTE]

I'm old but I'm free now and pondering what places to visit. I'm not a loud music & dancing fan but certainly not opposed to some partying. Ideally I would like to find some other hobbyist to hang with and learn the ropes. Your recommendations are most welcome.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2973445]I'm old but I'm free now and pondering what places to visit. I'm not a loud music & dancing fan but certainly not opposed to some partying. Ideally I would like to find some other hobbyist to hang with and learn the ropes. Your recommendations are most welcome.[/QUOTE]I'm an old guy too, very old. Until I get fired or forced to quit from work, I won't be anywhere near Thailand soon, but you chose right spot Pete. Thailand is a fantastic place. But to avoid loud music, that means Nana and Cowboy are out for you. I always recommend the same thing to everyone, cause it's always guaranteed a good time. Try out the massage joints in the Phrom Phong area. You can't go wrong there. And just beyond Phrom Phong, as you get closer to Terminal 21, there's more massage joints to be tried. You'll run out of time before you run of out oilies and soapies to try.

Thermae is very hit or miss these days. But it's a good place to just hang out and scope the chicks out while you have a beer. No loud music either. It's kinda surreal in a way. Have fun Pete! Live your life man, don't have regrets like me. I'd give anything to go back to Thailand again, just one last time.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2973327]Hi.

I hope this is the right forum for this question. A mate of mine is in BK at the moment and he wants to get a shot for gonorrhea. He isn't sure at all that he has it but doesn't want to take the risk of coming back to the UK with it.

It seems to be no problem getting the shot in BK without even testing but they all want to see a copy of his passport. My friend is worried that the next time he visits Thailand again (perhaps with family) something might get mentioned by immigration officers.

Sounds unlikely but can anyone offer any reassurance on this?

Thanks.

(And it really is a friend and not me as I don't get to BK for another couple of weeks LOL).[/QUOTE]Ah, "friend". Say no more, say no more.

Check my post in the safe-sex thread. The clinic I recommended there did the test without ID, though whether they'll give the medicine without insisting on a test first I have no idea. They created a physical card for me and told me to just show that card next time I came there, so I'm guessing if I needed any medicine after the test, I'd just go back and show the same anonymous card.

Think it's the first time I've read about anyone worrying immigration will be informed about his std results though, though I know syphilis test is/was required for work permits here.

Spotted this video on YouTube [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPRIR2P5CdU&t=50s[/URL].

Lots of references have been made to a "school girl" who hangs out on Soi 4. I'm curious. Is this the same chick?

Sam.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2973327]Hi.

I hope this is the right forum for this question. A mate of mine is in BK at the moment and he wants to get a shot for gonorrhea. He isn't sure at all that he has it but doesn't want to take the risk of coming back to the UK with it.

[/QUOTE]A friend of mine, upon telling his wife he was going to BKK on biz, asked his wife if there was anything she would like him to bring back for her. She replied, "just make sure it is something I can eat or wear".

Sam.

Hello Fellow Mongers.

I did RTFF and shortlisted Hillarys (4,11) mixx etc. I've been to Hillary's 11 on an evening around 9 pm but didn't find any FLs. So looking for some suggestions on what's the good spot and time for FLs. I don't prefer Thermae though, prefer a bar / club with few beers and pick up the girls.

Also, other than these any joints for day time pick up for FLs? Thanks and appreciated!

Hi Fellow Mongers.

I had done the RTFF about freelancers scene, but I didn't had much luck. Tried Hillary's, mix etc around 9 pm but didn't see any FLs. Are there any other clubs to be tried? What's the best time and good bar to find FLs? Also, any good spots for day time FLs. Of course ThaiFriendly is the way to go, but it's tedious and I hate to be indoor and do the picking!

Thanks for your suggestions!

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973457]Ah, "friend". Say no more, say no more.

Check my post in the safe-sex thread. The clinic I recommended there did the test without ID, though whether they'll give the medicine without insisting on a test first I have no idea. They created a physical card for me and told me to just show that card next time I came there, so I'm guessing if I needed any medicine after the test, I'd just go back and show the same anonymous card.

Think it's the first time I've read about anyone worrying immigration will be informed about his std results though, though I know syphilis test is/was required for work permits here.[/QUOTE]I think the worry is that if the Thai Public Health Dept is truly trying to monitor gonorrhea then any treatment / test may get associated with your passport. He has no intention of ever needing a work permit for Thailand though.

I've gone through a few pages on the safe sex forum and couldn't find your post. Could you share the name of the clinic please?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2973445]I'm old but I'm free now and pondering what places to visit. I'm not a loud music & dancing fan but certainly not opposed to some partying. Ideally I would like to find some other hobbyist to hang with and learn the ropes. Your recommendations are most welcome.[/QUOTE]Partying without dancing and music. Curious how that works?

The problem you have is that all of the bars where you can pick up girls are noisy. Go-Go bars and the beer bars on Soi 4, 7 and 11 all make a racket. If you want to avoid the music then Thermae, massage parlour, street walkers or online is the best way to go.

I reported here that I could not add friends on Line using their Line IDs, but could add them using a QR code. I can say as well that their phone numbers also do not work.

This problem is apparently pretty widespread, as a Reddit discussion documents ([URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/lineapp/comments/1h8q22c/line_account_search_restriction_all_user_searches/[/URL]). One explanation is that non-Thai accounts (mine somehow or other got changed to Line USA) won't add Thai friends.

People who have reloaded Line (and hence lose all of their chats and contacts) state that this does not fix the problem.

Is anyone with a Thai Line account experiencing this problem? I guess I will bring a second cell phone and buy a Thai Sim card. I will get a Thai Line account and see if this work. But it would be good to know if this is a solution.

[QUOTE=JasonBen84;2973511]Hi Fellow Mongers.

I had done the RTFF about freelancers scene, but I didn't had much luck. Tried Hillary's, mix etc around 9 pm but didn't see any FLs. Are there any other clubs to be tried? What's the best time and good bar to find FLs? Also, any good spots for day time FLs. Of course ThaiFriendly is the way to go, but it's tedious and I hate to be indoor and do the picking!

Thanks for your suggestions![/QUOTE]I read that Levels has a good FL scene, but will not know this for a fact until I visit myself in about one week's time.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2973467]Spotted this video on YouTube [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPRIR2P5CdU&t=50s[/URL].

Lots of references have been made to a "school girl" who hangs out on Soi 4. I'm curious. Is this the same chick?

Sam.[/QUOTE]Yup that's her.

I've been to BKK numerous times. I'm back and forth with staying at JW close to soi 4 or Sheraton Grande closer to soi 22 scene. I rarely do gogos; too loud, too expensive, too mechanical. Mostly Fls whichever venue I find them. Currently booked at JW as I at least want to try Nana if nothing for experience and it's a nicer hotel. However, Fls and massage probably will make bulk activity. Stay closer to Soi 4 or go closer to Soi 22 scene?

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2973447]I'm an old guy too, very old. Until I get fired or forced to quit from work, I won't be anywhere near Thailand soon, but you chose right spot Pete. Thailand is a fantastic place. But to avoid loud music, that means Nana and Cowboy are out for you. I always recommend the same thing to everyone, cause it's always guaranteed a good time. Try out the massage joints in the Phrom Phong area. You can't go wrong there. And just beyond Phrom Phong, as you get closer to Terminal 21, there's more massage joints to be tried. You'll run out of time before you run of out oilies and soapies to try.

Thermae is very hit or miss these days. But it's a good place to just hang out and scope the chicks out while you have a beer. No loud music either. It's kinda surreal in a way. Have fun Pete! Live your life man, don't have regrets like me. I'd give anything to go back to Thailand again, just one last time.[/QUOTE]Thermae Hit or miss? How many times you been there? When was the last time LOL.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2973521]I think the worry is that if the Thai Public Health Dept is truly trying to monitor gonorrhea then any treatment / test may get associated with your passport. He has no intention of ever needing a work permit for Thailand though.

I've gone through a few pages on the safe sex forum and couldn't find your post. Could you share the name of the clinic please?

Thank you.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-and-Sex-Related-Discussions-in-Thailand&p=2970167&viewfull=1#post2970167[/URL].

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973630][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-and-Sex-Related-Discussions-in-Thailand&p=2970167&viewfull=1#post2970167[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thank you!

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2973609]I reported here that I could not add friends on Line using their Line IDs, but could add them using a QR code. I can say as well that their phone numbers also do not work.

This problem is apparently pretty widespread, as a Reddit discussion documents ([URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/lineapp/comments/1h8q22c/line_account_search_restriction_all_user_searches/[/URL]). One explanation is that non-Thai accounts (mine somehow or other got changed to Line USA) won't add Thai friends.

People who have reloaded Line (and hence lose all of their chats and contacts) state that this does not fix the problem.

Is anyone with a Thai Line account experiencing this problem? I guess I will bring a second cell phone and buy a Thai Sim card. I will get a Thai Line account and see if this work. But it would be good to know if this is a solution.[/QUOTE]I don't have a definite answer for you, but if you buy a Thai Sim, I think you'll have to but the type that you need to top up every month. On my last trip I bought a Thai tourist sim. As soon as I returned home, I lost all my LINE contacts / messages and I can't log in. I am assuming it's because the sim had an expiry date. So along the same lines of the problem you have experienced. Painful, I don't know why line make it so difficult, I found the fact I could only have it on one device at a time a pain in the butt as well.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2973611]Yup that's her.[/QUOTE]She looks 40.

My first night in Bangkok was regrettable to say the least! I went to Nana Plaza first around 11 pm, maybe it's the time of the year (few days before NYE) but it was wall to wall packed! Every bar I went in to had few if any seating available and men massively outnumbered women, which put me off. I hopped over to Soi Cowboy where it was a little better. I settled at Crazy House after touring the strip where, to be fair the dancers in there are some of the most gorgeous I've seen in my 2 weeks in Thailand so far, but they saw a naive rookie a mile away and I got fleeced good (which I'll admit isn't the first time I've made this mistake!) after a few too many drinks, pent up excitement and the allure of hot topless girls in front of me, ID lost my head and became pretty easy to part with my money.

A few of the girls swarmed me when I arrived, I stuck with the one I found the hottest, easily a 9/10, drop dead gorgeous! One girly drink paid for and she was all over me, on my lap, kissing my face all over and non stop giggling, and I was caught in her web! Soon after another girl came up asking for a drink, also a 9/10 - with a banging body too, I didn't take much convincing to buy her a drink as well and she placed my hands on her awesome breasts as a thank you. Now, here's where the mistake starts, as now a gaggle of go go girls swarmed me! I now had 5 girls in front of me all asking for a drink! These drinks weren't cheap either, but feeling a bit too much bravado in the moment I caved, a shot for all, which soon extended to a drink for two of the bar staff and the massaman as well! Who was very touchy herself through the night and didn't mind copping a few gropes off me either. She offered me to bar fine the first girl I was with, who was on her 3rd drink by now, damage would be 700 bh + 4000 for the ST. Too deep now to back down at this point, and her gorgeous smile beckoning, I was quick to accept. This extended to an offer to also take the 2nd girl for a 3 some, but even in my drunken stupor 8 k was too much to part with. The drink tab however totalled just shy of 4000 bh: !

We made our way to a short time room on cowboy, which was around 300 bh. Now, I could have forgiven myself the next day for having splurged so much cash on my first night, were it not for the fact that what followed was particularly disappointing. Gone was the overly eager and excitable girl kissing my face nonstop and hopping up and down my lap for the past hour, and replaced with a mechanical starfish, oral with condom, very light kissing and little affection. We boned in a few different positions and it didn't take me long to finish in the bag. She was washed and dressed and we were out within half an hour. We exchanged lines but I didn't stay in touch. I woke up the next morning with a slight hangover and feeling like a massive mug to have spent over £200 on my first night with so little to show for it. I was too jet lagged to attempt a 2nd night in Bangkok and began to feel a little disheartened that Thailand wouldn't be the promised lands I hoped it would. However the following week in Pattaya more than made up for it, in fact it was so good I fear it may have changed my life forever trip report of Pattaya to follow shortly in the Pattaya thread.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2973609]I reported here that I could not add friends on Line using their Line IDs, but could add them using a QR code. I can say as well that their phone numbers also do not work.

This problem is apparently pretty widespread, as a Reddit discussion documents ([URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/lineapp/comments/1h8q22c/line_account_search_restriction_all_user_searches/[/URL]). One explanation is that non-Thai accounts (mine somehow or other got changed to Line USA) won't add Thai friends.

People who have reloaded Line (and hence lose all of their chats and contacts) state that this does not fix the problem.

Is anyone with a Thai Line account experiencing this problem? I guess I will bring a second cell phone and buy a Thai Sim card. I will get a Thai Line account and see if this work. But it would be good to know if this is a solution.[/QUOTE]It's called "privacy. " Not sure what you talking about. I downloaded my LINE away from Thailand and everything works fine. Some people just don't want their ID or phone number out there like with WhatsApp. Which shows everything and no way to hide it. So they go into their satangs and click the button. They hiding and you need to go seek. LOL.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2973610]I read that Levels has a good FL scene, but will not know this for a fact until I visit myself in about one week's time.[/QUOTE]Yes it has. Ask one of the waiters / servers and tip him. They got high quality girls.

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971166]I found myself on Burana Sat Road.[/QUOTE]What time of day was that?

Hi,

Doing my 4th trip to Bangkok in February. While I've been in BKK multiple times, this time I am first time alone so I can have fun freely.

Any recommendations of more comfortable hotels (maybe even luxury ones), preferably with more apartment-like rooms? Obviously guest-frienly ones. I usually like to stay in Sukhumvit and would prefer it.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=PgReal;2973641]I don't have a definite answer for you, but if you buy a Thai Sim, I think you'll have to but the type that you need to top up every month. On my last trip I bought a Thai tourist sim. As soon as I returned home, I lost all my LINE contacts / messages and I can't log in. I am assuming it's because the sim had an expiry date. So along the same lines of the problem you have experienced. Painful, I don't know why line make it so difficult, I found the fact I could only have it on one device at a time a pain in the butt as well.[/QUOTE]Strange. I bought a Thai sim card and installed Line on it more than a year ago and it still works more than a year later here in the US. Plan to re-up the sim plan and resume using it when I hit the ground in BKK again in February.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2973769]Yes it has. Ask one of the waiters / servers and tip him. They got high quality girls.[/QUOTE]This seems like a very short walk from Hillary 3. Which I've heard also has some freelancers. Are those the two main places, or are there others in that general vicinity? I know Thermae is really close. But any others that you'd suggest?

[QUOTE=LecheAlot;2973790]What time of day was that?[/QUOTE]Midday to 2 pm.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2973759]It's called "privacy. " Not sure what you talking about. I downloaded my LINE away from Thailand and everything works fine. Some people just don't want their ID or phone number out there like with WhatsApp. Which shows everything and no way to hide it. So they go into their satangs and click the button. They hiding and you need to go seek. LOL.[/QUOTE]No, it's not about their privacy settings. I have failed at adding at least 10 line IDs from TF freelancers. They send me their LineID because they want my business. I am quite certain the TF girls are not blocking me; why would they send me their LineID and then block me 5 minutes later?. I have started to ask for QR codes as they work without a problem, but otherwise the Line app is fairly useless. Fortunately, finding a girl for fun in BKK is like shooting fish in a barrel.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2973641]I don't have a definite answer for you, but if you buy a Thai Sim, I think you'll have to but the type that you need to top up every month. On my last trip I bought a Thai tourist sim. As soon as I returned home, I lost all my LINE contacts / messages and I can't log in. I am assuming it's because the sim had an expiry date. So along the same lines of the problem you have experienced. Painful, I don't know why line make it so difficult, I found the fact I could only have it on one device at a time a pain in the butt as well.[/QUOTE]Most, if not all, Thai telecos let you pay to extend for up to a year online in their own app for a small charge of 40-50 thb per year or something like that.

I have a thai sim and about 10-20% of the time I can't add some tf-girl by ID. I kind of suspect it is what ElMexicant says, that she has, unintentionally I guess, disabled the "add by ID" option in her line app. One can disable add by ID and disable by phone number, but not disable add by qr-code, so no matter how stupid, she can't disable add by qr.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2973881]Strange. I bought a Thai sim card and installed Line on it more than a year ago and it still works more than a year later here in the US. Plan to re-up the sim plan and resume using it when I hit the ground in BKK again in February.[/QUOTE]Yes. My last SIM card was a one-off 30 days 5 giga bought at the airport. I let it expire. Nevertheless I am still able to use LINE on that phone through any WiFi. Chatting, adding (with QR code), etc. Appearing, by my setting, as if I am in Pattaya. Line, nowadays, is worth as an anonymous sort of WhatsApp, nothing less, nothing more. Unless one knows the girl Line ID (or has the QR code) it's not possible to pass on the ID to others as we can do with TF.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973953]Most, if not all, Thai telecos let you pay to extend for up to a year online in their own app for a small charge of 40-50 thb per year or something like that.

I have a thai sim and about 10-20% of the time I can't add some tf-girl by ID. I kind of suspect it is what ElMexicant says, that she has, unintentionally I guess, disabled the "add by ID" option in her line app. One can disable add by ID and disable by phone number, but not disable add by qr-code, so no matter how stupid, she can't disable add by qr.[/QUOTE]AIS let's you extend by 30 baht a month. For as many months you want. Just leave the country with 30 x12 (360 baht charge) and you have the validity extendable by one year. More charge, longer extension. Bearing in mind the phone numbers will still be xtendable for 6 months after the SIM card is ended. After that period, if not extended. The number will be unmatched to the card and will be available back to the provider for other future SIM's to sell.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2973769]Yes it has. Ask one of the waiters / servers and tip him. They got high quality girls.[/QUOTE]Only been there 3-4 times myself, but never saw anyone I'd rate as "high quality". It's a mix of mostly freelancers, most of them older and uglier than you'll find in the go-gos, or about the same as the lower tiers there, and some normal girls out partying in groups. I went there for the normal girls, but not many lookers in either group, and did not have any luck myself with the few normal girls I thought were pretty enough to "hello". The only two freelancers I saw during my visits that looked good enough to approach ended up both being from Vietnam and asking too much, as seems to be typical of girls from that country for some reason.

Only reason I can think of for tipping a waiter there to help you is if you're incapable of walking up to a girl, who will most likely be a freelancer and overjoyed by your approach, and saying "Hello," to her. Not like there's some secret closet that the waiter is going to be pulling the "high quality girls" out of especially for you.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973953]I kind of suspect it is what ElMexicant says, that she has, unintentionally I guess, disabled the "add by ID" option in her line app.[/QUOTE]Nope. Because they can not add me either and I have never touched that setting.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2973955]Yes. My last SIM card was a one-off 30 days 5 giga bought at the airport. I let it expire. Nevertheless I am still able to use LINE on that phone through any WiFi. Chatting, adding (with QR code), etc. Appearing, by my setting, as if I am in Pattaya. Line, nowadays, is worth as an anonymous sort of WhatsApp, nothing less, nothing more. Unless one knows the girl Line ID (or has the QR code) it's not possible to pass on the ID to others as we can do with TF.[/QUOTE]What if I ask the girl to sene me a pic of their QR code?

Then I take a pic of this GQ code with a different phone so I have a record.

In th future I can just add the girl by using the QR code with different phones.

Would this work?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2973955]Yes. My last SIM card was a one-off 30 days 5 giga bought at the airport. I let it expire. Nevertheless I am still able to use LINE on that phone through any WiFi. Chatting, adding (with QR code), etc. Appearing, by my setting, as if I am in Pattaya. Line, nowadays, is worth as an anonymous sort of WhatsApp, nothing less, nothing more. Unless one knows the girl Line ID (or has the QR code) it's not possible to pass on the ID to others as we can do with TF.[/QUOTE]LINE has no idea whether your phone number expired or not. It only becomes a problem if for some reason you need to login to line again, and it wants to send you a sms with a code, or somebody else who now has your recycled number wants to set up line on his new number.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2973986]What if I ask the girl to sene me a pic of their QR code?

Then I take a pic of this GQ code with a different phone so I have a record.

In th future I can just add the girl by using the QR code with different phones.

Would this work?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Yes. (some more characters to reach the 10 character minimum length.).

[QUOTE=HkPunter99;2973908]This seems like a very short walk from Hillary 3. Which I've heard also has some freelancers. Are those the two main places, or are there others in that general vicinity? I know Thermae is really close. But any others that you'd suggest?[/QUOTE]Oskar in soi 11 used to be what you're looking for, on the opposite side of levels. I'm not sure if it is still the case.

A year ago, a girl told me about Terra restaurant in Thonglor soi 10, seems to be the same kind of set up. I know there are some working girls going there, but don't know if there are plenty or not. Plus that area seems to be attracting a lot of Bangkok civilians, so don't go there thinking most girls are freelancers.

[QUOTE=HkPunter99;2973908]This seems like a very short walk from Hillary 3. Which I've heard also has some freelancers. Are those the two main places, or are there others in that general vicinity? I know Thermae is really close. But any others that you'd suggest?[/QUOTE]Plenty of Freelancers at Hilllary 3 IMO.

Went there alone in March planning quite night, just as I noticed how hot the girl was I was about to play pool against her friend suggested we head home for a threesome.

The hotel doorman said have a good night and it wasn't bad for an unplanned late night hook up except they woke me up early because they allegedly had real jobs and wanted to be paid.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2973918]No, it's not about their privacy settings. I have failed at adding at least 10 line IDs from TF freelancers. They send me their LineID because they want my business. I am quite certain the TF girls are not blocking me; why would they send me their LineID and then block me 5 minutes later?. I have started to ask for QR codes as they work without a problem, but otherwise the Line app is fairly useless. Fortunately, finding a girl for fun in BKK is like shooting fish in a barrel.[/QUOTE]Then you must of tried to add too many LINE IDs in a short span of time. So LINE blocked you from that feature. People forget about that nit picky thing because to them it looks suspicious. Many people do that when they get new SIMs instead of transferring old accounts to new account because they want to keep the old account on another device. Then LINE puts the smack down on their new account to disable them from adding LINE IDs.

Can you smell what the Rock is cooking?

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2973739]My first night in Bangkok was regrettable to say the least! I went to Nana Plaza first around 11 pm, maybe it's the time of the year (few days before NYE) but it was wall to wall packed! Every bar I went in to had few if any seating available and men massively outnumbered women, which put me off. I hopped over to Soi Cowboy where it was a little better. I settled at Crazy House after touring the strip where, to be fair the dancers in there are some of the most gorgeous I've seen in my 2 weeks in Thailand so far, but they saw a naive rookie a mile away and I got fleeced good (which I'll admit isn't the first time I've made this mistake!) after a few too many drinks, pent up excitement and the allure of hot topless girls in front of me, ID lost my head and became pretty easy to part with my money.…[/QUOTE]Hi mate, in my experience, it's always a mix of factors that makes an experience more or less memorable. I've had nights where I spent hours buying drinks for girls in gogo bars and then went back to the hotel alone (by choice). But just drinking and chatting with them was so much fun that I'the happily repeat those nights a hundred times.

Other times, I ended up taking a girl out because she convinced me, thinking it might not be a great experience, only to be pleasantly surprised and have an amazing time with her at the hotel. A couple of them I'm still in touch with and meet whenever I'm lucky enough to travel to Thailand.

I think it's a combination of things that makes a good time happen: our own mood—whether we're tired or full of energy—the lady's mood, chemistry, the music, the drinks. And so on. These days, I've reached a point where I try to enjoy even an average experience. I focus on the fact that I'm with a 9 or a 10 and remind myself of the good times I've had before (otherwise, I wouldn't take her out in the first place). That mindset helps me appreciate the positive side of the experience.

Did I lose money? Sure. But considering how much I've given my divorced wife, a few hundred pounds here and there doesn't seem so bad.)).

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2973986]What if I ask the girl to sene me a pic of their QR code? Then I take a pic of this GQ code with a different phone so I have a record. In th future I can just add the girl by using the QR code with different phones. Would this work?[/QUOTE]LOL. You guys are making a mountain of this. You can always set up your Line with your email and like magic, when you get a new phone or number, all your contacts come right back to it.

But if you insist on saving QR codes, then there is no need for a second phone. You simply screenshot it and make a folder in your picture gallery and name it QR codes Line or something. Right now I have 529 people on my friends list. I could not see having to add all those back. I would just do like the girls and wait until I came across the person again. Hell, most of the contacts are not worth a damn anyway. I had more than that, but sometimes I take the time to go through and delete them.

"Can I create a LINE account with email?

Tap Accounts and then tap Email Account Registration. Enter your email address and tap OK. Open the verification email and follow the on-screen instructions to complete the registration. This way, you can easily create LINE account without phone number with your email. ".

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2974050]Hi mate, in my experience, it's always a mix of factors that makes an experience more or less memorable. I've had nights where I spent hours buying drinks for girls in gogo bars and then went back to the hotel alone (by choice). But just drinking and chatting with them was so much fun that I'the happily repeat those nights a hundred times.

Other times, I ended up taking a girl out because she convinced me, thinking it might not be a great experience, only to be pleasantly surprised and have an amazing time with her at the hotel. A couple of them I'm still in touch with and meet whenever I'm lucky enough to travel to Thailand.

I think it's a combination of things that makes a good time happen: our own moodwhether we're tired or full of energythe lady's mood, chemistry, the music, the drinks. And so on. These days, I've reached a point where I try to enjoy even an average experience. I focus on the fact that I'm with a 9 or a 10 and remind myself of the good times I've had before (otherwise, I wouldn't take her out in the first place). That mindset helps me appreciate the positive side of the experience.

Did I lose money? Sure. But considering how much I've given my divorced wife, a few hundred pounds here and there doesn't seem so bad.)).

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]+1 on this. Dining at the girl-buffet is as much about the experience as it is the actual sex. This is especially true in Thailand. The sex with most girls there is solid but nothing to write home about. Thailand is about the experience. There is nowhere else in earth with more neon lights sex on display. And yes 4000 baht is a lot in Thailand for non-sex. But didn't you have a blast? That $115 usd will get you less than 15 minutes (if that) in a US strip club. And not nearly so many girls and the atmosphere. So don't kick urself — it was money well spent for the entertainment!

P.S. There's a reason nana is packed and cowboy is not!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2973963]Nope. Because they can not add me either and I have never touched that setting.[/QUOTE]Can you PM me one or two of the line ID? I'm in US and have US phone on my account. If I can add them, then something must have been flagged on your acct like the other guy said.

[QUOTE=MaccatheFree;2974018]Plenty of Freelancers at Hilllary 3 IMO.
Went there alone in March planning quite night, just as I noticed how hot the girl was I was about to play pool against her friend suggested we head home for a threesome..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2974007]Oskar in soi 11 used to be what you're looking for, on the opposite side of levels. I'm not sure if it is still the case.

A year ago, a girl told me about Terra restaurant in Thonglor soi 10, seems to be the same kind of set up. I know there are some working girls going there, but don't know if there are plenty or not. Plus that area seems to be attracting a lot of Bangkok civilians, so don't go there thinking most girls are freelancers.[/QUOTE]Thank you both! Okay, now dumb question. What is the going ST rate for freelancers at places like this?

I get Nana is 1000 BF and 3500ST (as of a year ago). I've read Thermae is 2500ST. Is that pretty standard?

Thank yoU!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2974063]+1 on this. Dining at the girl-buffet is as much about the experience as it is the actual sex. This is especially true in Thailand. The sex with most girls there is solid but nothing to write home about. Thailand is about the experience. There is nowhere else in earth with more neon lights sex on display. And yes 4000 baht is a lot in Thailand for non-sex. But didn't you have a blast? That $115 usd will get you less than 15 minutes (if that) in a US strip club. And not nearly so many girls and the atmosphere. So don't kick urself it was money well spent for the entertainment!

P.S. There's a reason nana is packed and cowboy is not![/QUOTE]You're not wrong there, I've easily spent more in UK strip clubs for a much lesser experience, and for 4000 bht I was made to feel like a king, so can't complain there.

As for experience, totally agree, the week that followed in Pattaya included, as sad as it sounds, some of the best nights of my life: the.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2974076]Can you PM me one or two of the line ID? I'm in US and have US phone on my account. If I can add them, then something must have been flagged on your acct like the other guy said.[/QUOTE]Yeah, anybody with LINE issues, feel free to send me the IDs of only the hot looking girls so I can test at them out too. I mean to see if the add feature works. By the way, make sure it's not a previously blocked ID, if you have a long list like some have. Once they are blocked and you erase your block list, you can never add or find them again because you erased the list without unblocking the ID first. If you've been in the game awhile, you know what I mean. We forget who is who and sometimes they pop up once again and we be like "oh shit."

Merry Christmas!

[QUOTE=HkPunter99;2973908]This seems like a very short walk from Hillary 3. Which I've heard also has some freelancers. Are those the two main places, or are there others in that general vicinity? I know Thermae is really close. But any others that you'd suggest?[/QUOTE]I am guessing, they are all similar. But, in both places you need to spend seriously or tip seriously.

It's quite possible that tipping along may not work as the management also will want their fair share of the money.

But, the quality of girls are higher and more educated. It's possible to find even girls who are mothers but they also feel a bit more sophisticated.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2973955]Yes. My last SIM card was a one-off 30 days 5 giga bought at the airport. I let it expire. Nevertheless I am still able to use LINE on that phone through any WiFi. Chatting, adding (with QR code), etc. Appearing, by my setting, as if I am in Pattaya. Line, nowadays, is worth as an anonymous sort of WhatsApp, nothing less, nothing more. Unless one knows the girl Line ID (or has the QR code) it's not possible to pass on the ID to others as we can do with TF.[/QUOTE]I prefer e-sim because one slot of the tray is used for external storage and one for home SIM card. So, there is no available slot for any extra sim. Anybody used e-sim in Thailand and how to get it? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2972686]That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ.

I'm guessing she needs the money, so if anyone contributing member here shares that particular fetish I'll ask her if she minds me forwarding her line-ID.

She's about 20, is kinda sweet, and I guess would look somewhat cute if she lost 50 kg.[/QUOTE]I'm actually pretty interested, if she'd be open to share her line. However I will just land tonight so I don't exactly qualify as a contributing member yet.

Hey guys.

My first ever mongering trip to Thailand is almost here! I'll have two nights in BK before I fly to Phuket. As my time in BK is pretty short I'll be doing the obvious / easy stuff like Nana Plaza and any other bars walking distance that take my fancy.

Are there any venues there that insist on long pants for entry? Obviously it's going to be hot out there and I would usually prefer to wear shorts in a climate like that. I have smart shorts and shirts ie I wouldn't be out in cargo shorts, vest and flip flops but would it be better to wear long pants?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HornyCock;2974218]I prefer e-sim because one slot of the tray is used for external storage and one for home SIM card. So, there is no available slot for any extra sim. Anybody used e-sim in Thailand and how to get it? Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you live outside the country then loads of online retailers now sell e-sims covering Thailand. Easy to use and download before a trip and then switch on when you land and you have data straight away so very convenient. I have used Saily, Airalo and BNE eSIM before. All have cheap deals. Just shop around for the data / length you want.

If you are talking about getting a local e-sim and living in Thailand not sure what is available.

[QUOTE=HkPunter99;2974092]Thank you both! Okay, now dumb question. What is the going ST rate for freelancers at places like this?

I get Nana is 1000 BF and 3500ST (as of a year ago). I've read Thermae is 2500ST. Is that pretty standard?

Thank yoU![/QUOTE]Ever.

There are a ton of guys who have been in Bangkok a lot longer than me. I just got here this week. However my hotel is next to thermae on porpose. The girls have I have been pulling there tell me every girl asks for 3000 and they don't budge. I am sure that there are a few that ask for more but 3000 seems to be the floor.

[QUOTE=HornyCock;2974218]Anybody used e-sim in Thailand and how to get it? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Any cell provider kiosk can do it for you in about 3 minutes. AIS, DTAC, True, etc. The first kiosks you will see are after you exit your flight and are walking to immigration. More kiosks in baggage claim.

They will show you a card of a few popular plans, but there are actually many plans to select from so be aware of what you want. Duration? Calls or only data? Data rate? Total data? Personally, I select unlimited 5 G data because I sometimes stream movies.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2974176]Yeah, anybody with LINE issues, feel free to send me the IDs of only the hot looking girls so I can test at them out too. I mean to see if the add feature works
[/QUOTE]Ignore ElMexicant. I will test them better. I mean, I will test the feature better.

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[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2974278]Hey guys.

My first ever mongering trip to Thailand is almost here! I'll have two nights in BK before I fly to Phuket. As my time in BK is pretty short I'll be doing the obvious / easy stuff like Nana Plaza and any other bars walking distance that take my fancy.

Are there any venues there that insist on long pants for entry? Obviously it's going to be hot out there and I would usually prefer to wear shorts in a climate like that. I have smart shorts and shirts ie I wouldn't be out in cargo shorts, vest and flip flops but would it be better to wear long pants?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]None required in the places you mention.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2974278]Hey guys.

My first ever mongering trip to Thailand is almost here! I'll have two nights in BK before I fly to Phuket. As my time in BK is pretty short I'll be doing the obvious / easy stuff like Nana Plaza and any other bars walking distance that take my fancy.

Are there any venues there that insist on long pants for entry? Obviously it's going to be hot out there and I would usually prefer to wear shorts in a climate like that. I have smart shorts and shirts ie I wouldn't be out in cargo shorts, vest and flip flops but would it be better to wear long pants?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You don't need long pants anywhere in Thailand other than the Buddhist temples.

So I went to Thermos to see what's up.

It's what I expected. There are Hottie s among the Ugliest.

No skin at all on the Hotties. It's like they dressed for a night out in Tokyo.

One must assume big Tits is fake tits. A no go for me.

As usual the less than attractive seem to be much Friendly.

Positive is Pricing. Much less than Rainbow.

Conclusions. Soi 6 Better.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2974278]Hey guys.

My first ever mongering trip to Thailand is almost here! I'll have two nights in BK before I fly to Phuket. As my time in BK is pretty short I'll be doing the obvious / easy stuff like Nana Plaza and any other bars walking distance that take my fancy.

Are there any venues there that insist on long pants for entry? Obviously it's going to be hot out there and I would usually prefer to wear shorts in a climate like that. I have smart shorts and shirts ie I wouldn't be out in cargo shorts, vest and flip flops but would it be better to wear long pants?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You get better results with long pants. You don't see hiso Thais wearing shorts.

[QUOTE=Lumens;2974297]Ever.

There are a ton of guys who have been in Bangkok a lot longer than me. I just got here this week. However my hotel is next to thermae on porpose. The girls have I have been pulling there tell me every girl asks for 3000 and they don't budge. I am sure that there are a few that ask for more but 3000 seems to be the floor.[/QUOTE]Thats the rate they quote most folks, yes.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2974337]
Noticed one small girl with shoulder-length hair to my immediate left,
in the group nearest the bar I think, and looked more closely at her.
She seemed to be be around 25-27, or maybe even a well-preserved early 30.
She didn't have too much make-up on, but with the make-up she had,
the distance, and the dim light, hard to tell for sure. .[/QUOTE]The girls right near the check in desk are girls who have been there a long time and are more "professional".

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2974337]
So I rolled over too, took off the condom, throwing it on the pillow
next to hear head with a grin, and inserted my dick again.

I didn't feel like delaying things more, so pumped in and out for a few
minutes, before coming inside her pussy. .. I told her about
my vasectomy, and after her confirming no baby possible, she relaxed
again, though still wanted me off and run to the bathroom and shower.
[/QUOTE]I always tell the girls I had a vasectomy and can have no babies when negotiating, even though I have not. They sometimes want more money to do bareback. I usually cum outside their pussy anyway, on their ass. Pull out is better than cum in pussy for birth control.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2974410]I always tell the girls I had a vasectomy and can have no babies when negotiating, even though I have not. They sometimes want more money to do bareback. I usually cum outside their pussy anyway, on their ass. Pull out is better than cum in pussy for birth control.[/QUOTE]Bet your father did the same, and with intelligence considered highly heritable, here you are. Lying to girls, and helping bring more dimwitted fatherless children into the world.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2974278]Hey guys.

My first ever mongering trip to Thailand is almost here! I'll have two nights in BK before I fly to Phuket. As my time in BK is pretty short I'll be doing the obvious / easy stuff like Nana Plaza and any other bars walking distance that take my fancy.

Are there any venues there that insist on long pants for entry? Obviously it's going to be hot out there and I would usually prefer to wear shorts in a climate like that. I have smart shorts and shirts ie I wouldn't be out in cargo shorts, vest and flip flops but would it be better to wear long pants?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have seen tourists in temples in Bangkok with shorts. Not ridiculously short shorts, obviously hot pants won't do, but khaki shorts are fine. It's hot as hell in South East Asia. Wear whatever you want, in most places in Bangkok if they need you to cover up, they'll have shawls ready for you. Plenty of clueless tourists showing up at what Arun and such places, wearing next to nothing, at the entrance they'll just make you cover up with whatever they have in hand. That's it. This ain't like malasia or Indonesia where you have a bunch of highly fanatical muslim types that'll kick your ass if you show a little skin. Ha!

It's Thailand baby! It's all sex, all the time. It's a playground created by Mephistopheles Himself for us to spill seed in. Have fun! You're going to literally the best adult playground in the world and you thinking about a dress code? Even at Nana and Cowboy, 9 out of 10 dudes there dress incredibly shabby. Like they're about to mow the lawn on a Saturday kind of shabby.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2974410] Pull out is better than cum in pussy for birth control.[/QUOTE]A bit of back door action is even better.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2974389]You don't need long pants anywhere in Thailand other than the Buddhist temples.[/QUOTE]Doesn't Levels on Sukhumvit Soi 11 require men to wear long pants and no sandals / open toe shoes? Maybe other similar clubs too. They used to. But I have not gone in there in a couple of years.

As I consider myself an old Bangkok hand and having had previously good experience with local joints I just had to do T-Ded. While having significant Thai experience for literally decades I do not speak Thai nor do I particularly like the party setup thing. I am no heavy drinker, monger alone so it is kind of not my sweet spot.

T-Ded is easy enough to find, BTS Saphan Kwai, walk 10 minutes past the Big see turn left two times and it is difficult to miss. Action starts around 9 pm, they are open until 5 AM. The place is in urgent need for renovation, nothing high end here. Just a run down gogo bar with dancers in bikinis. I entered around 9:30 after a massage nearby as I had arrived too early. The massage was good but most interesting was the special negotiation going on in the next section. My therapist and I had a good laugh.

So back to T-Ded. You just enter, the manager speaks 3 words of English, get a table or a private room (150 Bath per hour). Order drinks and food or pick a girl first. Manager is very helpful but you will be the only white Falange. There were at least 50 girls, most GND and really almost all doable. I picked one, who turned out to be a dancer so she will be away for a couple of minutes occasionally but no worries she will be back. The private rooms have glass doors so not much privacy, I did not experience or saw a lot of naughty action therefore. Communication via google translate was easy. The food costs 150 to 400 bath a plate, beer also 150 for a big bottle. They will try to get you to order more and everyone wants a 100 baht tip. So watch it. It will add up. I stayed 2 hours with my girl and paid 2200 including tips, it will be difficult to get much less. The 100 baht lap dances are lame. She grinds you for 3 minutes and lets you grab her naked tits. You give her 100. Not sure why that is in any way appealing. Take out to a nearby dump hotel with only cold water is 2500 all inclusive, she wanted 6 k for the night but leave at 6 am. No good deal IMHO. So I took her ST, which was short but a full GFE delight. Tipped her 500. So the whole evening came to a little more than 5 k plus 65 baht motobikertaxi back home. And I doubt you can get this much lower. It is absolutely no problem to go there as long as you know how to behave in Thailand and watch your expenses. It was it worth for me to experience it once but is it really cheaper? I visited Geisha to see my lovely Bam and had a bar tap of 1 k for 3 lady drinks plus my beer. BF 1 k and she would have gotten another 3 k. So no big difference. But thanks for finding this place and keep more local options coming. There is much more to Bangkok than Nana, Soi Cowboy and the usual MPs!

FA.

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971166]Burana Sat Road.[/QUOTE]I walked up and down the length of that road today.

My God.

Is that where they put the old birds out to pasture? LOL.

I don't mind a bit of rough but that place was apocalyptic.

It was interesting to me as an explorer but not as a monger.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2974402]You get better results with long pants. You don't see hiso Thais wearing shorts.[/QUOTE]It probably depends on what your legs are like.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2974402]You get better results with long pants. You don't see hiso Thais wearing shorts.[/QUOTE]Nyezhov is spot on. If you must wear shorts, only during the day, long pants at night.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2974552]If you must wear shorts, only during the day, long pants at night.[/QUOTE][B]Is that because you are in [U]CockBang[/U][/B]?

Because it is not like that in Pattaya. In fact clothing with natural soft materials so that they do not irritate the skin of the girls that want to grind on you is highly recommended if your prefer venue where all hands are on dick (I mean on deck). Or is it that you lovers of [U]CockBang[/U] don't engage in such decedent activities and just politely observe and admire the female form from afar.

[B]ROTFMAO[/B]!

Hi everybody, I am looking for the absolute best of BKK, the hottest girls around, and willing to pay for it too. If you have any recommendations where the absolute VIP girls would go outside of the usual Nana / Soi Cowboy / Patpong, would appreciate it. Price is no object. Feel free to PM me if easier. Thanks. In advance.

[QUOTE=Hcqygauqas;2974613]Hi everybody, I am looking for the absolute best of BKK, the hottest girls around, and willing to pay for it too. If you have any recommendations where the absolute VIP girls would go outside of the usual Nana / Soi Cowboy / Patpong, would appreciate it. Price is no object. Feel free to PM me if easier. Thanks. In advance.[/QUOTE]You are in the wrong city. Take a short flight to Singapore or Macau, stay at Marina Bay Sands or the Venetian Book the Penthouse Suites but most likely they will be booked 1 year in advance, become a LVS (the owners of MBS and the Venetian) VIP member and the casino or operations manager will get you what you want.

[QUOTE=Hcqygauqas;2974613]Hi everybody, I am looking for the absolute best of BKK, the hottest girls around, and willing to pay for it too. If you have any recommendations where the absolute VIP girls would go outside of the usual Nana / Soi Cowboy / Patpong, would appreciate it. Price is no object. Feel free to PM me if easier. Thanks. In advance.[/QUOTE]Maria and the like. Fishbowl selection, sidelines even better. You'll have to do your business in-house but I imagine after a few visits with a girl, take out options become viable. Another option would be the Gentleman clubs like PIMP. I posted about it recently. Not my style and a bit of a cock-tease. But I imagine if one invested in multiple visits and splurges on the same chick, she would make herself available for take out. These two venues had the best looking girls for top dollar. However as you can see in both instances it also requires an investment in time.

I agree with the previous posters. Sure you can spend your days seeking out top dollar high roller women, but Bkk is just not geared up that way. Thailand's charm is the cheep and cheerful. Multiple pops per day, switch girls, venues, formats. I'm pretty sure 500 USD on the streets of BKK can keep you occupied for days with decent quality women and service. That to me is far better than spending 500 bucks for an hour with a seemly high class chick who speaks pigeon English and may or may not put out.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;2974494]As I consider myself an old Bangkok hand and having had previously good experience with local joints I just had to do T-Ded. While having significant Thai experience for literally decades I do not speak Thai nor do I particularly like the party setup thing. I am no heavy drinker, monger alone so it is kind of not my sweet spot.

...

Take out to a nearby dump hotel with only cold water is 2500 all inclusive,
[/QUOTE]I'm similar, but yikes. I'm too spoiled to enjoy unheated showers at night and did not know about that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2974493]Doesn't Levels on Sukhumvit Soi 11 require men to wear long pants and no sandals / open toe shoes? Maybe other similar clubs too. They used to. But I have not gone in there in a couple of years.[/QUOTE]Possibly, but I wouldn't consider that to be nana plaza and the surrounding bars.

[QUOTE=Hcqygauqas;2974613]Hi everybody, I am looking for the absolute best of BKK, the hottest girls around, and willing to pay for it too. If you have any recommendations where the absolute VIP girls would go outside of the usual Nana / Soi Cowboy / Patpong, would appreciate it. Price is no object. Feel free to PM me if easier. Thanks. In advance.[/QUOTE]It is all in the hunt because the truth is: really hot working girls are a somewhat rare find in BKK's nightlife industry and in my experience although one can find them in small numbers almost anywhere, if you look. So, first I recommend a couple of the better Nana Go Go's like Rainbow 4 and Billboard as a good starting point and to anchor your expectations as to what you can expect. My favorite Go Go's will usually have at least 3 or 4 very pretty girls working there. The lesser Go Go's won't have any doable girls IMHO. 555.

Next, widen the search to include a few high end soapies like Black Caviar, Maria Massage, and La Belle. These soapies recruit their girls from a different source than the Go Go's, and cater more to NE Asian tastes in girls. Not all soapy girls are hot, of course, but I am pretty sure you will find a few girls that you will find attractive there although I could be wrong.

Next, check and some of the nightclubs. Nightclub girls are FL's and their talent level can be high, although sometimes it is hit or miss. You never know until you go.

And lastly, if you have the time (and money) and are still searching, check out a Gentlemen's Club like The Pimp Club. You will find some very pretty girls here too, but the downside is that the Pimp is very expensive, and shagging a Pimp girl of your choice is not guaranteed.

Good luck hunting.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2974552]Nyezhov is spot on. If you must wear shorts, only during the day, long pants at night.[/QUOTE]What is the basis for this comment? Many people post similar things. I agree that Thai men wear long pants, I see no reason to mimic them. I wear shorts and running shoes, switch to sandals for raining days. My shirts range from button down to golf shirts to ordinary T-shirts. Always clean clothes and freshly showered. I seem to be welcomed everywhere I go, though I don't go to high end restaurants or 5-star hotels.

[QUOTE=Hcqygauqas;2974613]Hi everybody, I am looking for the absolute best of BKK, the hottest girls around, and willing to pay for it too. If you have any recommendations where the absolute VIP girls would go outside of the usual Nana / Soi Cowboy / Patpong, would appreciate it. Price is no object. Feel free to PM me if easier. Thanks. In advance.[/QUOTE]That's the wrong approach though. You have to think like the girl. Where would the girl go to where she would make the most money and the most business.

And IMO the hottest ones are in Nana and Soi Cowboy or Walking Street Pattaya.

Looks are a subjective thing but I found the girls in Rainbow 5 prettier than the ones in Billiards. I think Billiards they were all tattooed, dark and not my style, more what Farang like. Rainbow 5 girls and the girls in Walking Street Pattaya were definitely where I found prettier girls. There's another place near where Nataree used to be (Ratchadapisek) and there's pretty girls there too but I stopped going there since it's too long of a BTS ride but those had some stunners. PIMP isn't worth it. PIMP is a ripoff, you'll see prettier girls in Nana Plaza / Soi Cowboy / Walking Street. Again, think like the girl. Where would the girl go if you knew you were hot. Not there.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2974801]What is the basis for this comment? Many people post similar things. I agree that Thai men wear long pants, I see no reason to mimic them. I wear shorts and running shoes, switch to sandals for raining days. My shirts range from button down to golf shirts to ordinary T-shirts. Always clean clothes and freshly showered. I seem to be welcomed everywhere I go, though I don't go to high end restaurants or 5-star hotels.[/QUOTE]Honestly, l'm not trying to sound like a turd, but my experience as a 25-year resident is that you are treated better overall if you wear long pants. Your opening statement that Thai men wear long pants is a clue to the cultural norms of dress here. You often do see long pants and sandals at times, but again much of this is class dependent. When you see locals wearing shorts the majority of them are lower class workers, although I will admit there are some exceptions when you see middle and upper class folks in shorts, but if they are in shorts they are normally in very nice shorts and like you in golf shirts or button-downs. Personally I never wear shorts in big cities. Sandals in the wet? You're a lot braver than I am. I just don't feel comfortable getting my feet soaked in that dirty water.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2974810]Personally I never wear shorts in big cities.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok the cockroaches and rats will crawl up your legs if you wear short pants. They leave their garbage at the curb at night and in the morning the rats and roaches have already feasted. Better to wear socks and long pants.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2974801]What is the basis for this comment? Many people post similar things. I agree that Thai men wear long pants, I see no reason to mimic them.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Happens in many threads. People think they will be able to masquerade as a local even though it is obvious they are not. Nevermind they will mimic what the locals do, not knowing the reason they do it.

For instance people would point out in some of the Latin America threads that the locals wear long pants and dress shirts and never tennis shoes or sandlas and they would recommend others dress the same. They never realized they got this observation from when locals are going about their work day. But when those same locals finsihed with the work day, you could see them outside and at the malls with their families wearing shorts and tennis shoes or sandals.

We already know people in Thailand are afraid to get darker. Could this possibly be a reason for the long pants versus it being some type of cultural norm or way to get treated better as some assume?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2974810]Honestly, l'm not trying to sound like a turd, but my experience as a 25-year resident is that you are treated better overall if you wear long pants. ... Sandals in the wet? You're a lot braver than I am. I just don't feel comfortable getting my feet soaked in that dirty water.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that good reply.

I travel with only 2 pairs of shoes: running shoes and sandals. If the running shoes get wet, it's days to dry out. When the sandals get wet, they dry overnight. My favorite areas have so many puddles that it is often impossible to keep my feet dry.

I agree on the dirty water, so my feet get washed frequently and my sandals get washed about twice a week.

On a related note, have you ever noticed a bar girl showering her whole body? With me, they seem to wash only from shoulders to knees, sometimes less than that. Feet often get ignored. Hair seldom gets washed (and sometimes smells bad).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2974859]Thanks for that good reply.

I travel with only 2 pairs of shoes: running shoes and sandals. If the running shoes get wet, it's days to dry out. When the sandals get wet, they dry overnight. My favorite areas have so many puddles that it is often impossible to keep my feet dry.

I agree on the dirty water, so my feet get washed frequently and my sandals get washed about twice a week.

On a related note, have you ever noticed a bar girl showering her whole body? With me, they seem to wash only from shoulders to knees, sometimes less than that. Feet often get ignored. Hair seldom gets washed (and sometimes smells bad).[/QUOTE]Showering. I'm oily and fiwfans only and would most of them shower with you it seems mainly they're nether regions that are getting washed although there are a few that's so down their whole body. I would imagine they have to be a little bit careful with their skin drying out especially if they're seeing multiple customers per day.

When traveling I usually only take one pair of shoes myself, and that's a good pair of trainers, either water repellent or Gore-Tex, or if it's cold Gore-Tex boots. I tend towards Hi-Tech fabrics when I'm traveling like Merino wool tops, socks, and underwear and pants that I can wash in the sink and will dry quickly.

I like to travel only with a 7 kg backpack as a carry-on even when I'm going to cold climates.

I thought you were a resident. My bad.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2974899]I thought you were a resident. My bad.[/QUOTE]No, just 2 trips per year totaling about 13 weeks in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2974810]Honestly, l'm not trying to sound like a turd, but my experience as a 25-year resident is that you are treated better overall if you wear long pants. Your opening statement that Thai men wear long pants is a clue to the cultural norms of dress here. You often do see long pants and sandals at times, but again much of this is class dependent. When you see locals wearing shorts the majority of them are lower class workers, although I will admit there are some exceptions when you see middle and upper class folks in shorts, but if they are in shorts they are normally in very nice shorts and like you in golf shirts or button-downs. Personally I never wear shorts in big cities. Sandals in the wet? You're a lot braver than I am. I just don't feel comfortable getting my feet soaked in that dirty water.[/QUOTE]As another long term resident, I agree with your points on the cultural norms of dress here. And especially how a lot of it is class dependent. However, I value comfort, and I do find shorts to be far more comfortable than long trousers in this climate. So I guess I would include myself with the exceptions you mention of middle and upper class folks in shorts; but like them I wear nice, tailored shorts with a smart shirt. Of course it depends where I'm going, so if I'm going to a smart restaurant or a 5 star hotel then I will wear long trousers, but anywhere else I find my smart shorts and shirt are accepted just fine.

[QUOTE=JustLoggedInto;2974803]That's the wrong approach though. You have to think like the girl. Where would the girl go to where she would make the most money and the most business.

And IMO the hottest ones are in Nana and Soi Cowboy or Walking Street Pattaya.

Looks are a subjective thing but I found the girls in Rainbow 5 prettier than the ones in Billiards. I think Billiards they were all tattooed, dark and not my style, more what Farang like. Rainbow 5 girls and the girls in Walking Street Pattaya were definitely where I found prettier girls. There's another place near where Nataree used to be (Ratchadapisek) and there's pretty girls there too but I stopped going there since it's too long of a BTS ride but those had some stunners. PIMP isn't worth it. PIMP is a ripoff, you'll see prettier girls in Nana Plaza / Soi Cowboy / Walking Street. Again, think like the girl. Where would the girl go if you knew you were hot. Not there.[/QUOTE]See how folks turn a good observation into the start of an ego war. ? What is "More what farang like"? You speak for all "farang"? You "farang" yourself?

If you mean Billboard, I find the girls there to be the overall best in Nana. On MOST days. There are usually about 50 ish girls, all types. Sometimes its heifer friendly. Not all girls are tatted up. I'm a farang that doesn't like heifers. Raibow 5 to me is no 2, all the rest. It depends.

I have about 25 visits to Nana last year.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2974810]Honestly, l'm not trying to sound like a turd, but my experience as a 25-year resident is that you are treated better overall if you wear long pants. Your opening statement that Thai men wear long pants is a clue to the cultural norms of dress here. You often do see long pants and sandals at times, but again much of this is class dependent. When you see locals wearing shorts the majority of them are lower class workers, although I will admit there are some exceptions when you see middle and upper class folks in shorts, but if they are in shorts they are normally in very nice shorts and like you in golf shirts or button-downs. Personally I never wear shorts in big cities. Sandals in the wet? You're a lot braver than I am. I just don't feel comfortable getting my feet soaked in that dirty water.[/QUOTE]Exactly. This has been the rule for 40 plus years. The girls will respect you more if you are dressed in what they consider to be indicative of a higher social standing.

Flip flops or barefoot sandals are another class indicator. Folks that wear shoes in public are simply viewed to be higher class. Thais are very class conscious.

I don't make the rules, I just follow them. What Goatscrot says is absolutely correct.

ProTip: Nothing is more fun on your first mongering trip that getting your foot cut up and then infected. Make sure then you wear flip flops while walking drunk down Soi Nana. I have never worn open toed sandals of flip flops in SE Asia outside my home. Never in 40 years. I like my toes and I don't get free health care. Its a basic health measure.