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SO many factors bear on this: how much they like you, how good your Spanish is, how desperate you look, how many other punters they see that night, time of night, how much the chica NEEDS pesos right then etc etc etc.
I hear from reliable sources that 120K for all nighters from LDV is still very doable.
I have been paying 100K for an hour for 2 1/2 years. I never want more than an hour. You realize that this is the premire free-lance place in Colombia. The veteran chicas counsel the newbies on pricing. I can't blame them for asking for more. I just won't pay it. Some guys do. It's their money.
You can hunt the beaches, Centro, and barrios away from the tourist zone if you want cheaper stuff. It is there. I have paid as little as 50K, but I'm not a hard negotiator. Obvious street walkers are arrested in CTG.
The street walker scene is hotter in MDE. I have paid 40K there.
There is no such thing as free pussy. Paying by the piece, for me, has been much less expensive.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I have been paying 100K for an hour for 2 1/2 years. I never want more than an hour. You realize that this is the premire free-lance place in Colombia. The veteran chicas counsel the newbies on pricing. I can't blame them for asking for more. I just won't pay it. Some guys do. It's their money.
You can hunt the beaches, Centro, and barrios away from the tourist zone if you want cheaper stuff. It is there. I have paid as little as 50K, but I'm not a hard negotiator. Obvious street walkers are arrested in CTG.
The street walker scene is hotter in MDE. I have paid 40K there.
There is no such thing as free pussy. Paying by the piece, for me, has been much less expensive.[/QUOTE]
Ngp477: No disrespect intened but if your paying $150,000 for a piece of tail you must be in some pretty poor shape!
My point is this, it is all about ECONOMICS! Not U.S. econonmics, but yes you got it Colombian economics! What does the average Colombian make per day? Tom33 you are one of the people on this forum that would know best, so what is it $15 or $20 U.S. per day?
Besides the obvious, one of my favorite things to do in Colombia is to eat Baby Beef! At the steak house across from LDV I pay $18,500 = $7.80 U.S., now if I go to a residential part of town for that same cut of baby beef I pay $8000 = $3.50 at an exchange rate of 2350 to 1!
Last year I was in Cartagena 4 times, and with one exception I never paid more then 100K Para Todo La Noche! 4 times in Cartagena last year and at LDV not a single girl lauged in my face when I offered from 60K to 100K!
Guys I'm not 20 or 30, last I checked I'm forty fucking two! I guess I speak just enough spanish to get me by, I keep myself in good shape, and I can still dance and know how to have a good time, with a sense of humor!
I guess it is all in the way you present yourself!
I live in 35 miles east of Los Angeles one of the most over priced places in the fucking world, and for a rub down and quick 30 minute sex I only pay from $80 to $100!
If you guys are paying $60 for short or long time, God love you because you are true Saints!
I love this forum, because when I travel, this forum is my bible, from Asia to South America and points in between!
Again guys I love this forum, but talking to some of you guys is like talking to my ex-wife, and that is like talking to a brick wall!
GOOD BYE CARTAGENA HOLA COSTA RICA!
The good thing is, all the Chicas that left Colombia for Costa Rica, will hear what they are getting in Cartagena and move back home!
So now the price of tail will be driven up in a little known spot called Cartagena and be driven down in a very well known spot called Costa Rica and Panama for that matter! Gents, pure economics, the law of supply and demand! Or as I like to call it, Hoe Economics 101!
Well, where do I start? Too long of a subject and people's feelings will get hurt.
Here's how the prices get so high. Quick examples, nothing specific.
Monger A comes to CTG and pays COP100.000 for TLN, knowing damn well that the market rate is COP50.000. Monger A is experienced in negotiating, speaks Spanish, but HAS to have this one chica. He pays the COP100.000. Guess what? Next day, that same chica's laughing at him after the session, while willing to bone some local for much cheaper, if not free (How do you think all these chicas' kids have Colombian fathers?). Next evening, chica increases her market rate.
Monger B comes down and speaks no Spanish and has no way to really negotiate. Chica tells him COP200.000. He pays after she stands firm on her price. Next evening, chica's market rate increases to COP200.000. She's willing to wait all night for that rate, as some idiot will pay it. Of course, she's right.
Monger C comes down, stand firm at the market rate, tells the hardcore chicas to fuck themselves for COP200.000. He has money to spend, BUT has the common sense to know that HE decides what the market is, not the chica. Monger C is seen as cheap, but heads to other areas to get his rate. 30-60 mins later, he is successful and fully satisfied. Or he has minimal problems with the chica, which at COP40.000-50.000, is manageable.
Who wins? As always, it's the chica. They all talk with each other. Many discuss rates. They will mark you as a sucker. If you pay COP150.000 on your 1st night down, that's your bottom rate for the rest of the trip. Chicas will tell their friends not to accept anything less than COP150.000 to COP200.000 from you. Or really, by your own decision, you mark yourself.
Their intent is to fuck someone that night. The clicker is who's gonna pay for it, or who do I like the best, or who can I milk the longest. When it's all said and done, that same chica is a hooker. That's the truth of the matter. Not saying to treat her any less than any other lady, but to recognize that it is what it is. She made that choice before she got to you.
I'm not a bitter dude at all. I've also overpaid in every market, but I accept and try to limit those missteps. No sugarcoating, no lies.
The market rate increases so drastically when Monger A & Monger B, from above, don't walk away and stand firm on their acceptable price, not the chica's price. It's the monger's option to contribute to screwing up the market by playing along with the chica, who will take as much as possible.
For instance, when a hot chica starts the TLN bidding at COP500.000, and you start at COP100.000, is COP300.000 reasonable or just plain stupid? Before you answer, COP500.000 HAS BEEN paid before (not by me). Now put the same in context with COP100.000 and COP300.000.
When these dudes start agreeing to COP300.000, is when the entire LDV starts standing firm at that price for TLN. Can you blame the chicas for being so savvy?
Solution: when you start hearing the crazy price quotes, ask one of the other dudes there what they are getting in prices, if both of you are not content, pay you tab, tell the chicas your plans to go elsewhere and that they can fuck themselves for that ridiculous price, and just leave. If this happens enough, and chicas are going home alone, the market rate will go back down. Something beats nothing. Eventually, they will get the picture.
There ARE other places to go (ask any cab driver), plenty of other chica options as well.
In the end, fellas, it's just pussy. Nothing more, nothing less. My twenty-two cents.
Here's my dilemma. I like the whole experience of being with a girl; conversation, dancing, etc. plus I like waking up next to a soft warm body in the morning. Don't want to travel thousands of miles for a quickie so short time is typically not for me. Now, I certainly do not want to contribute to the raising of rates in Cartagena but I also don't want to be preceived as cheap because it results in a marginal experience. I do stand my ground and walk away if I know the going rate.
How do I go about finding the current pricing for TLN in LDV because they seem to be all over the place on this board?
Also, there must be a differential between the average ones and the popular ones and what is that differential?
My novia in Medellin made 20K pesos per day about US$8.70 as a social worker with a college degree.
Well ... I think Hoof hunter sums up "chica pricing 101" nicely.
It's like my Dad taught me when I was a kid on how to negotiate when buying a car.
Number one rule is ... don't fall in love with that one particular car ... if the dealership is asking too much and won't budge on the price ... move on to the next car or dealership ... there will always be another great car just around the corner.
Same applies for mongering ... there's plenty of chcias to be had in Cartagena.
I know everybody 'mongers' differently ... my style, especially in a place like LDV, is to try and bond with a chica ... this bonding of course all depends on your spanish speaking ability, your 'coolness' factor ... yes there are dorks among us mongerers ... heck, I'm probably one of them ...
... and of course physical appearance obviously comes into play ... if you were the chica, would you rather be with the old, muy fat guy or the younger, nicer looking guy? ... obvious answer.
Once bonding takes place with a chica ... pricing is irrelevant ... isn't mentioned ... if a chica starts talking to me about pricing ... for the hour, 2 hour, TLN, etc ... like a f...g menu ... I politely move on.
If the chica is the hottest chica and I'd really love to do her ... but she gets in to the pricing, I personally move on ... there WILL be another one ...
AND ... as we all know or should know ... the hottest, and most business savy chicas are more times than not ... NTG ... "not that good" anyway.
Just my 2 cents ... like I said ... everyone likes to monger just a little differently.
Now ... for me ... back to Venezuela ... places where a gringo is still a rare sight!
Suerte!
[QUOTE=Latina Passion]Ngp477: No disrespect intened but if your paying $150,000 for a piece of tail you must be in some pretty poor shape!
[/QUOTE]No disrespect intended, Latina Passion but I am in fine shape and just ran 2 miles this morning.
DAMN SOME GUYS ARE PRETTY SENSITIVE!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but i hardly think that suggesting that a member might not be in shape, is an excuse to go on a ram page and suggest that he can kick my asshole!
Hell, that is a new one to me kicking another man's asshole! Must be some new type of fetish that I'm not aware of!
This reminds me of when I was in High School, no I'm sorry I mean Junior High School. I'd be on the basketball court playing ball, and one guy would make an off hand comment to another guy. The guy that the comment was made to would have a HISSY fit and take his ball and go home!
As the guy was walking of the court with his ball in tow, he would say if you ever say that crap to me again I'll tell your DADDY! Then as he got really FAR away, he yell if you ever say that crap to me again I bet I can kick your ASSHOLE, and I will tell the Principal to band you from the court!
Of course my response would be tell my daddy you little *****!
My friends would ask me, Steve what did you say to him? I told him he needed to tighten up on his game is all! That's it Steve that is all you said to him, yep that's it! Wow what a little *****!
Ok ... Ok ... this site really gets boring when guys start fighting with eachother ... boooooring.
Back to cool info ... fotos ... experiences ...
Ngp477 ... I've read a bunch of your reports here ... I respect your opinions and experiences ....
When someone wrote a sarcastic remark about you ... it was nothing ... no one pays attention to that ... that guys doesn't know ya ... who cares.
I appreciate your reports ... you seem to be an experienced traveler ...
I hope to read more of your reports ... you have respect here ... you don't need to defend yourself ... just brings more attention to the 'sillyness'.
Cool ................... Suerte!
A few of us are coming down to Carta this Monday from MDE for 3 days, just for a breaksie. ( got to remember my russian before my trip there in OCT )
Interesting reading to talk about the inflated prices of chickers, dont worry guy´s, we will bring our own.
Hope none of you guy´s try and pick them up at DSV this time, last time I was there my 6ft tall paisa, mona, muma sitta, she corsed a few head akes and a rise of tempreture in the place.
I was a bit disappointed in the quality last time at DSV, it was on a Friday night to, but then again I live in MDE and maybe I´m a bit spoilt !!!!
What do you think Ricker !!!!!!
The Aussie.
Well Aussie Greg ... in my opinion ...
Cartagena is definitely more than just LDV ... which for some strange reason, in your Aussie thinking you call DSV ... hahaha ... but it is the main attraction.
I've been there many times (LDV) as well as the rest of the city of Cartagena.
Of course I've been to Medellin many times over the past years ... all over that city too.
To sum it up ...
... Cartegena is a great place to go to and experience the tropical setting with the PFP readily available at the LDV ... with chicas from all over Colombia.
Also the local Costenas are very friendly and fun to interact with ... much easier to approach than the typical Paisa from Medellin.
... Medellin of course is a beautiful city ... with beautiful chicas all over the place and too has casas and massage places to visit the PFP.
The chicas (Paisias) are beautiful, but are not as easy-going as the costal chicas from Cartagena ... generally speaking. I must say though ... they are very sweet people from Medellin.
For a quick vacation to enjoy a variety of PFP ... easily accessible ... Cartagena is a great place.
For a place to visit and get to know over a longer period of time ... nicer climate ... without the "drive you crazy" touts of Cartagena ... Medellin is a great place.
The winner is ... in my humble opinion ... from my experience ...............
Venezuela! .... see sample below ...
Suerte! ............... Ricker
Ricker,
You broke all the hearts in MDE and now your moving on !!!! you barstedo, all the street girls are asking, where´s Pappy !! you, with a tear in their eye !!! and a empty belly !!!! any way, enoght of the bullshit, we miss you here mate, when are you coming back, or does M----a have a loaded gun waiting for you !!!!!
Ricker, I decided to call the ***** bar LSD, what do you think, catchy.
I believe all the Paisa´s have gone to Panama, the reason is that they reckon the guy´s are to cheep !
Taking the crew back to BOG on the third night in stead of staying here, will give La Pisina and El Castella a go, anything will be better than Carta, maybe I have been spoilt.
The Aussie.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Well Aussie Greg ... in my opinion ...
Cartagena is definitely more than just LDV ... which for some strange reason, in your Aussie thinking you call DSV ... hahaha ... but it is the main attraction.
I've been there many times (LDV) as well as the rest of the city of Cartagena.
Of course I've been to Medellin many times over the past years ... all over that city too.
To sum it up ...
... Cartegena is a great place to go to and experience the tropical setting with the PFP readily available at the LDV ... with chicas from all over Colombia.
Also the local Costenas are very friendly and fun to interact with ... much easier to approach than the typical Paisa from Medellin.
... Medellin of course is a beautiful city ... with beautiful chicas all over the place and too has casas and massage places to visit the PFP.
The chicas (Paisias) are beautiful, but are not as easy-going as the costal chicas from Cartagena ... generally speaking. I must say though ... they are very sweet people from Medellin.
For a quick vacation to enjoy a variety of PFP ... easily accessible ... Cartagena is a great place.
For a place to visit and get to know over a longer period of time ... nicer climate ... without the "drive you crazy" touts of Cartagena ... Medellin is a great place.
The winner is ... in my humble opinion ... from my experience ...............
Venezuela! .... see sample below ...
Suerte! ............... Ricker[/QUOTE]
So you better lower your expectations BEFORE going. CTG is way more user friendly for mongers. The rollos have New York style attitudes by and large. You'll see.