[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]$100 just to meet with nothing else?! Or $100 for something slurpy?[/QUOTE]So I always respond 'you are a prostitute' - NOT a 'sponsor girl'!
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]$100 just to meet with nothing else?! Or $100 for something slurpy?[/QUOTE]So I always respond 'you are a prostitute' - NOT a 'sponsor girl'!
[QUOTE=LifeSavour]So I always respond 'you are a prostitute' - NOT a 'sponsor girl'![/QUOTE]$100 for sex is a great deal for Moscow and as indicated before, the difference between a prostitute and a sponsor girl is muddled.
So did you meet any of them? How was it?
[QUOTE=Guido88]Country John
Mongers may get the wrong impression by your post.
Spent a fair amount of time in Tijuana, off and on for 30 years or so and have been fortunate to spend time in Russia as well.
IMHO it’s a night and day experience, Mexico has the predominantly Catholic Chica’s? attitudes with dark skin and overweight.
Russia has a whole nother breed of female, slim, absolute sex machines and they it take pride in service provided. Simply put they are bred for sex.
Service in Tj is not on the same level. Fair amount of rip off artists, and whole lot of fat after the clothes come off. Skill wise, the percentage that takes pride in service is low.
Mostly I think they deal in volume.
Add in the police problems along with the new waves of TJ kidnappings “foreigner’s.
Why bother?
The percentages of top notch experiences I can count on my 2 hands for 30 years in TJ mongering might be 10%????????
Russia on the other hand scores much much higher.
Night vs day IMHO , RU slim petite and horny and the RU women that trained from birth to provide the best they can.
Been reading your posts for several years. No doubt you do well in TJ with a whole lot of experience.
It’s a big world.
A suggestion, take advantage of low airfares, the rising dollar and the RU hunger for real currency. Might open a whole new addiction.
I wager that like me after the first RU trip, Mexico would be unacceptable.
Or not, also a new set of challenges.
Only one way to tell
Take the pussy challenge. Well worth the trip.
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Regarding Mexico
Girls from the common classes of people will in general not only not be greedy, but exceptionally non materialistic. On the other hand.. girls from the upper classes.. the beautiful ones (and usually white blondes in contrast with the dark skinned of the lower classes) who are mroe likely to have a level of education most of us in this forum would be attracted to, will in general be VERY materialistic as they are accustomed to a very pampered life with servants (slaves) and vacations in new York, Paris, Miami, Houston.. In Mexico the rich will know nothing about the provinces but will know what the latest and greatest in New York is...
The are some cities where you can find very beutiful women (such as Guadalajara, Cualiacan or Monterrey) but only as non pros, the sex market in those cities is not that good in my opinion (you can find a couple of gems in Monterrey but they are still too rarer and you need the right connections)
Guadalajara is one the cities in Mexico well know to have a bunch of very beautiful women in the streets but sadly you will not find some of those in the local sex market (and almost unexistant sex market) despite the high number of 8,9 and 10 in the local population why? I will put what other forist wrote about it:
I don't have nearly the experience that Coahuila and Anonimo do in bedding nonpros, other than women I've dated for a while. I'd rather pay for it. If I were in my 20's like them it might be different. They also seem to have identified some target rich environments for finding slutty women. Anyway, available women I've met seem to fall into three categories,
1. Ugly women. Her economic status doesn't make much difference. I can pull an ugly woman from, say, U-fit in Puerta de Hierro (health club with California-like member fees), no problem.
2. Reasonably attractive, traditional women. There are a lot of these out there that would be interested in dating a gringo. But they typically don't fuck on the first date. Or the second or the third.
3. Attractive non-traditional women. This is the target we're all interested in. If your typical ISG gringo (American) and his buddy walk into an upscale bar and start hitting on women like these, they'll strike out. If you're dressed well, good haircut, clean finger nails, expensive watch -- all those superficial things --you're likely to do a little better. These women are interested in money, more so on average than U.S. women. Now, if you start dating one of these women, and she figures out you've got money, all her friends are going to want you to fix them up with your rich gringo friends. It doesn't really matter if your buddies are 20 years older or if they don't speak Spanish, as long as they've got money. In fact, some of her friends are probably going to want to date you. This is why you see Strike and Anonimo and some others pointing out the importance of cliques in Guadalajara.
If you're traveling through town and looking for a piece of ass, I think you're better off going to the esteticas instead of trying to pick up a nonpro.
I will put this that I wrote in the Monterrey forum (Mexico section) of this forum regarding the social and racial stratification present in Mexico:
I've studied and seen how social classes are divided in Mexico.
Despite the popular belief there's a considerable amount of white Mexican people here (more or less 10 % are pure white according to the CIA worldfactbook) so if there are 110 000 000 millions of Mexicans that means approximately 10 millions are pure white, also 60 millions are Mestizos (mixture of Europeans and Indigenous people) and the rest 40 millions are direct descentants of the Indigenous populations. From Mestizos we can take another 15 - 20 millions from the original 60 millions who are fair skinned or have a majority of European facial gestures if we add this number of fair skinned mestizos to the original 10 million who are pure white we have a total of 20 - 25 millions of Mexicans who are indeed white or fair skinned against 40 millions Indigenous Mexicans and 50 millions Mestizos who dark-skinned or have Indigenous facial gestures.
20 - 25 millions of whites - fair skinned in Mexico is a number higher than the avarage population of Quebec of 7 millions, Sweden of 9 millions, Norway of 4 millions, Denmark of 5 millions and Finland's population of 5 millions, amazing isn't it? but still less than 35 millions of whites in Argentina whose white population is more or less 90 % white. However Mexico is not considered a white country, why? because we have 50 million Mestizos and 40 million who are direct descendants of the Indigenous population, that makes 90 millon of non whites agains 20 - 25 millions of whites/fair-skinned.
The elites usually descendants from the conquerors were usually white or fair-skinned at the same time the working class or the “proletarian” were brown or dark-skinned. After several hundreds of years or intermarriage the elites get even whiter in contrast with the most dark looking- Amerindian people from lower classes. Over the generations (and still in the actuality) the descendants of the conquerors who were the most rich or the most interactive were allowed to marry white women (usually blondes) while the other men who weren’t successful enough had to marry an indigenous girl.
The elites clawed their way up out of the indigenous dark masses not only in a racial way, but in a social and economic way also. We can found one example of this in the Mexican soup operas, by the look of the actors. The maids, bus drivers, plumbers and other lesser jobs are all performed by dark-skinned people, while the white collar workers are all performed by white actors and for the look of their women (the majority blondes) people could think that Mexico is located in Scandinavia. One more recent example is the last Mexican presidential election; the right-wing candidate Felipe Calderon is white, while the leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is dark-skinned. The ethnic conflicts of Latin America, have found in Marxist- Populism (class struggle) a form of identification
So as Amigomio said natural caucasian blondes (and white women in general with some exceptions) can be found usually in the elites, they have a higher economic (and social) level and they don't need to work in strip clubs or massage parlors (or they prefer to marry a rich man who will give them all the money they want at the horrible cost of having him around). There are some exceptions of course like "Ivonne Soto" one tall blonde with huge tits and big ass who worked as stripper in the Joker (or something like that) in Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua and Isabel Madow another pure white blonde who worked in some "UNKNOWN" business before making a linving thanks to the TV Shows (she fucked a Spaniard guy several times in Big Brother VIP Spain in front of the cameras, and here she said she was a decent girl who only accepted Playboy's offer of taking her photos because they were good taste non trashy photos)
In Mexico City you can find pretty much what you want (any type of women) but it will be very expensive for what many other mongers are used to get in other similar countries such as Brazil which is too bad.
Guys from the upper or middle classes who wants to have beautiful girlfriends (at the level of the women found in the Mexican elites) prefer to import their women from other countries such Eastern Europe (Russia included) or South America as it will be so much cheaper (and sometimes better) rather than trying to get along with one of the already jaded and extremely materialistic women found in the elites. But it is necessary to remember the number of people found in the upper and middle classes in Mexico is not that high in comparision with the rest of the population.
In my limited experience the best bang for your buck it is present in the German FKK Clubs.
[QUOTE=Strike 69]These women are interested in money, more so on average than U.S. women. Now, if you start dating one of these women, and she figures out you've got money, all her friends are going to want you to fix them up with your rich gringo friends. It doesn't really matter if your buddies are 20 years older or if they don't speak Spanish, as long as they've got money. In fact, some of her friends are probably going to want to date you.[/QUOTE]
Replace "gringo" with "Western" and "Spanish" with "Russian", and you've pretty much summed up the gold-digging class here in Moscow. These are essentially the same as sponsor girls - they expect you to buy lots of "gifts" (high-end purses, shoes, jewelry, consumer electronics and so on) in exchange for sex (which, incidentally, only comes [I]after[/I] you've proven your viability as a bonified sugar-daddy). Through wealthy colleagues/partners, I've had many of these girls introduced to me (or just as common, had them introduce themselves). But I have not ventured there... nor will I ever. And the reason isn't just about cash. No matter how tantalizing their outside appearance may be, their souls are all the same - dead.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]$50K is way too high though ... But yeah, anyway you cut it girls are an expensive hobby, both in money and time spent[/QUOTE]
I ask only because mine seems to be something in that region on a pro rata basis. I make very short, relatively infrequent trips to the FSU and despite presenting myself as 'biznezmen' have no real business at all :) Hence the relative cost of flights and poor apartment deals - as well as not negotiating too hard at RP due to limited time and unwillingness to walk away - seems to add up.
Agreed Excess, it's always about money and game. A lack of the latter will leave you very vulnerable.
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I make very short, relatively infrequent trips to the FSU and despite presenting myself as 'biznezmen' have no real business at all
Hence the cost of flights and poor apartment deals as well as RP seems to add up, it's always about money and game.
A lack of the latter will leave you very vulnerable.
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My 17 journeys have all basically cost the same, and run about 16 days.
They average about $1500 to $2300 per week, not including airfare, which ran around $1000 back in 2000 to 2002, but has been around $1150 ever since, to Ukraine, and around $1250 to Russia since 2006.
In Ukraine provinces, its not easy to find cute cat-house girls, but they run $80 for 2 hours, except in Odessa, which is about $120, and in Russian provinces, about $140 for 2 hours, then plus what ever extra they need for anything 'extra' beyond the basic 'plan'. For student sponsoring, depending on how cute they are, they can run anywhere from free to $250, again, depending on what ever 'extras' are ok, ususally depending on their greed factor. Many are ok with modest sposnsoring, many are not. One thing I've found, they're all different, but I can certainly recognize greed when I see it.
I've certainly found that I can get turned down flat by many that are the hottest, and in about half of those cases, at least in the last few years, that I have to offer at least $200 or more, to even get them interested, though sometimes, I just take a pass, and move on. It adds up quickly because the goal is 2 introductions and hopefully hook-ups, per day. One in the morning or afternoon, and one in the evening or night. Anything less than 2 per day is a failure. This is always a challenge, because the Bez is no youngster, and no Tom Cruise either, so its not easy, at all, except once or twice a week, I do get lucky. The rest of the time, its a lot of work, which I don't mind, but when you are not in your 30's, or fit and handsome, you really have to work at it. The easy days are long gone. And remember, the Bez insists on 18 to 20 years, with very very few exceptions, so this makes it 4 times tougher. You go try that, and see how easy it is, when your Russian is only good enough, that they understand you, but you can't understand them!
And greed is definitely out there.
The rest gets spent on apartments, which run from $60 in Ukraine to $80 in Russia, and a personal driver, which runs from $30 to $60 per day, depending on how many hours each day, then food, which hasn't been cheap in the nice supermarkets since 2005, and booze, and restaurants.
Overnights in Kiev on the way in, and out, of Ukraine, add on an extra $500, for apartment, transfer to and from airport, to and from train station, plus Sim cards, and then dyevochkas, at least one, sometimes two.
I expect to spend even more, now that I'm forced to overnight in Moskva now.
I do my part to add to the economic development of these two countries!! I could be saving this cash towads my retirement, but then, what is the point of life without some fun? Why slave myself to the grind of working my ass off for an unappreciative company, now putting in 50 to 60 hours a week, with little hope of any future in this horrible economy, and not take every chance I get, to blow off some steam in Candyland? Things are not looking good anymore, working and living in the USA. Its a crap shoot, now. I'll probably get fired again in 2009, and then, who fuckin' knows, my mongering days will be over. Life ain't pretty, in the big shitty city, no more.
Loads of good info there. I agree, $1000 per week excluding flights would actually be a bare minimum, and that too if you're focussing on freebies and very amateur amateurs.
Regarding the outright rejections - wouldn't a better approach be to reel them in on the net? Say you're offering around $500 a week. That amount should go pretty far in the provinces, expecially nowadays.
I'm really curious about the provinces as Moscow just seems way out of my league for sponsoring. What's a good approach - turning up at a nightclub in dowtown Novosibirsk, see who'll have a drink with you and then pop the (financial) question? :) My tastes are as yours, I like them young, cute and young, oh yeah and cute.
[QUOTE=Ash1001]
Loads.
I agree, $1000 per week excluding flights would actually be a bare minimum, if you focus on freebies and very amateur amateurs.
Regarding the outright rejections - wouldn't a better approach be to reel them in offering around $500 a week.
That amount should go pretty far in the provinces, expecially nowadays.
I'm really curious about the provinces.
What's a good approach - turning up at a nightclub in dowtown Novosibirsk, see who'll have a drink with you and then pop the financial question?
I like them young cute young, and cute.
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As far as $1000 a week, that's completely preposterous, at least in my case. I like to, and need to, get started with a BIG bang. One thing that ALWAYS amuses me, and amazes me, is that in the first couple of days, I like to see how fast I blow through my first $1000-$1500, and in many cases, its GONE by the second or third day! Then I sit there, and try to figure out where it all went, but like I said, one or two or three 2 or 3 hour sessions, plus stocking my fridge with Beluga Vodka and some ikra and all the other necessities, which if you have never tried Beluga Vodka, it tastes so much better than ANYTHING in the universe, but expensive as hell,..... well. The point is, go for it.
OK??? You startin' to get it now?
Then of course, things invariably slow down a bit, and I'm NOT spending cash so fast, and it all evens out a bit, so its all relative.
As far as offering $500, I've NEVER done that, because I would have no idea before hand, that a dyev's performance would or could warrant such an expenditure. Though thinking back on the ones that got away, perhaps I should have tried something like that, maybe that WOULD have worked. I think that in a few cases, I did send a few desperate text messages that read, "please, I must see you, I need your help, (8000 rubles!)" So how much is that? About $320? That worked twice in 2008! I figured, how could they turn that down?? And they didn't! What did it get me? About the best nights of my life, and then repeat performances for almost free, once they realized what a wonderful all around swell guy I was. So I guess you could say, that reeled them back in??
In Ukraine, I don't think I ever offered anything close to that much. Maybe $200?
As far as approaches, well that's a whole 'nother story.
Approaches approaches approaches!! Yeah, that's something altogether.
Nightclubs?? Nah! Don't work for Bez. I have zero success in nightclubs. Only in Minsk, did I hook up, at Westworld, but she was a pro. 21, redhead, cute enough, charged me $120 for only the basics, which I thought was very high considering the escort service from the newspaper was only charging about $40, this was back in 2004. But even with the redhead, I felt that I struck out, because what I first asked her to do, was to help me hook up with 4 or 5 of the hottest 18 year old spinners that were there dancing, and THEY ALL turned me down flat. And it wasn't because she was trying to keep me for herself, since I offered her double to hook me up.
So, no. Nightclubs don't work for me. I even went back to that Westworld disco two more times, and left alone both times, as there were only a few older pros there, that were definitely not hot. I've tried them to no avail in the provinces in Russia and Ukraine, and always gone home alone. I've bought them drinks and bottles of champagne, but no luck.
And as you know, Bez has never even seen the infamous RP.
So what works for me? Ahh, yes now, that is the mystery of the Bez, and that, I regret, will simply have to remain a mystery, my friends. For to reveal all that, would leave all the fun out of this, and that's no fun at all.
Its certainly not my own secret, I've seen a monger or two bring it up on some other forums on other continents, so Its not a Bez exclusive, but it also has something to do with my own particular talents, which I would say, that you fellas certainly do not posess. God gave me a gift, Ukraine girls gave me the inspirations, and the results have been a blessing, so I don't take that lightly. But its something, when you can actually brings tears to their eyes.
nuff said
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]So what works for me? Ahh, yes now, that is the mystery of the Bez, and that, I regret, will simply have to remain a mystery, my friends. For to reveal all that, would leave all the fun out of this, and that's no fun at all.
Its certainly not my own secret, I've seen a monger or two bring it up on some other forums on other continents, so Its not a Bez exclusive, but it also has something to do with my own particular talents, which I would say, that you fellas certainly do not posess. God gave me a gift, Ukraine girls gave me the inspirations, and the results have been a blessing, so I don't take that lightly. But its something, when you can actually brings tears to their eyes.
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[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/ap_on_en_mu/movie_director_assault[/url]
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NEW YORK – At least four women have accused the Academy Award-winning songwriter of "You Light Up My Life" of luring them to his home and sexually assaulting them while they auditioned for movie roles, police said.
Police are investigating whether director Joseph Brooks, who won an Oscar for Best Original Song for the 1977 Debby Boone ballad, advertised upcoming film roles on Internet postings as a ploy to assault women.
When a woman responded to an audition call, the 70-year-old Brooks would tell her she'd be playing a prostitute and would have her drink shots and perform sex acts on him, police said. Some women believe they might have been drugged, police said.
At least four incidents are alleged to have happened in March and May 2008, police spokesman John Sweeney said. One woman told authorities she had sex with Brooks after drinking wine with him, Sweeney said.
A woman from Seattle said she responded to an ad and after she arrived in New York, Brooks demanded she have sex with him, Sweeney said. Another woman told police Brooks sodomized her, Sweeney said.
Brooks hasn't been charged, Sweeney said.
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Don't get your panties in a wad, Bezzie... I'm just yanking your chain. ;P
I like to think I have a few 'gifts' and am quite good at approaches, especially on the street, which is quite fun. I normally strike out with a few girls in clubs and bars before hitting paydirt.
If she's hot, will be friendly with you but mentions boyfriend, then that's the time to talk sponsorship.
But NO killer formula, I just do the legwork!
This guy is a boner fide HERO!
Hey toots, come here!
Yes, I'm a big shot Hollywood director and you can play a shot-slamming butt-fucking dick-sucking puta in my next block-nut-buster movie, ......
Wanna try-out??? ;)
Oh, oh!!! Mr. Police-Man, help me, that bad man fucked me in my ass!!
I'm sure the cops asked her if she passed the audition. :D
Hey Pizzie!! How do you know I'm not just an onion slicing yoga instructor?
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Hey Pizzie!! How do you know I'm not just an onion slicing yoga instructor?[/QUOTE]
Somehow, Bezzie, that just didn't fit my psychological profile of you. You seem a little too... how should I say it... 'high-strung' to be a yoga instructor.
Though it does make for an interesting mental picture.
"Now relax and listen to Bez carefully. Let your cares and inhibitions go. Just throw them out the fucking... um... sorry... what Bez meant is... Yogi Bezarra needs you to put aside your fears and tribulations. Take a deep breath. As you breathe out, open your legs slowly. Bez needs your legs to be open wide. Wider. WIDER!!! That's right... show Bez your chakra. Now open your mouth. As the staff of peace, love and harmony is inserted into your mouth, Bez needs you to repeat your mantra slowly... slowly... now quicker... quicker..."
What have they got planned for Obama's Inauguration?
Any sensless beatings for sub-continent exchange students.
Did see one story on BBC WN that a human rights journalist was murdered, was it another woman, or did they actually whack someone with balls this time?
Was that a little welcoming message for President Yes We're Broke?
Hey, in case anyone is interested, Lukasek is tearing it up in Brazil right now. I'm tracking his exploits on the Brazil threads. Too funny. But, I think the pretty blond Provincalkas from Ufa have spoiled him forever. Apparently big bundas and dark skin are not his thing.....
Jake993, sorry but I read only now your post, so busy to try to make my holiday in south america...worth it !
Yes...no matter where I will go or whom I will marry, LOL, I will, really, always thank you for your post about Ufa, (that made me decide to go there !!! ) Jet Club will always be between my SWEETIEST memory, so well as Svety from Ufa....
Funny enough I went to Brazil and I did not like it, after russia ruined me, but it was enough just 7 days in Argentina to make me decide to go back asap to Brazil...
Brazil in comparison to Argentina is heaven of pussy, but in comparison to Russia is nothing, besides termas, the only thing, together the ocean, Brazil worth it....imho.
But ok lets hit the south of Brazil, where maybe I will find something closer to devuski.
I miss FSU, but Slovakia and CZ as well....funny enough, I had to go so far to discover I have the heaven of pussy next my door !!!
Udachu dorogoy drug