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Just got back from Germany. Went to GT, Oceans, Palace and Living Room.

LR and GT offer top service as usual with normal rate whether it is 50 or 100 euro, but I must point out these two clubs had same line up through out this year that I went. I went in Feb, June and November, spread out time and most line up are same and this time round, same line up.

Oceans had changed line up and it was actually not bad optically on the night that I went. But bus front of duss rath station was broken and I had to walk through some forest to get to oceans LOL It was scary. I mean I walked through some forest at about 7 pm at night LOL I went there after GT line up was not satisfying being the same Line up to my past visits.

Palace also changed line up and on three nights I went, German table were all gone beside Jenny. I read a report on forum that Stella was there on Friday, but Stella was not there for sure. Line up was mediocre and I must say the peak is gone for line up at palace.

I must say over all, line up was really mediocre and in most clubs line up stayed same or got bit worst by new girls who are not stunner exactly.

Hmmm. The days I miss the most is Artemis back in the days till 2014 ish when they used to refresh certain part of line up with few new stunner on each visits I made then line up began stay same with ugly ones from 2015 on, which made me stop going there and I hear BBBJ are problem at Artemis now as it is no longer standard.

Does this all mean all German FKK are facing limitation of castings for line up? What can I do now for my next trip? I think I may try out hamburg as I hear good stories and all I need is two stunner or three stunner in clubs.

As for BBBJ I had no problem in any of the clubs I went to this time round, I got it for standard rate as set service, no mentioning of condom beside one time, but I refused then she BBBJ me right away, no upsell for it. Though I do still think it will be problem in future soon or later, so we should enjoy this while we can.

Some girls are concern about registration from Jan. 1st, so some movement of line up can be expected.

Hmmm. I may goto hamburg next trip and make a trip to Berlin by train for one night as Artemis is close by? Or? I am bit concerned for line up casting in German FKK now, it is 85% same girls in most clubs or even more 90% same girls with no new stunner added. I went to all same girls beside two new girl I tried out, service were good though.

By the way, I forgot to mention, she also showed me the hotel reservation of their over-water bungalow villas which, I just check, is going for 1200 Euro per night.

All the WGs know the best-paying clients aren't necessarily the richest. A client who has a net worth of 1 million may pay better than one who has a net worth of 50 million. Even a man who has only 1 million net worth could conceivably drop 50 K on a single WG over a one month span. Why? Loneliness, depression, life circumstances. Maybe this allegedly "super rich" Asian client is only worth 1 million. But he is going through a divorce. He realizes he will soon lose half of his wealth, so rather than let his wife take it, he is going to blow through as much money as he can before the settlement. This Asian client could just be pretending to be "super-rich" to make himself feel better or to impress the WG.

Or the WG fully realizes that he is not as wealthy as his spending habits indicate, and she has ulterior motives for telling you that he is super-rich. There are at least three ways she can use this angle to further lock you in as her client: (1) she could be trying to encourage you to compete for her affection (I. E. Go from being a 3-hour customer to a 5-hour customer), or (2) she is trying to make you feel like you are getting a bargain (when people feel like they are getting a bargain, people tend to be more happier with their purchasing decision), or (3) she wants you to feel like you are her special client ("that other guy pays much more, but I give you the same service because I like you so much more".

But to get back more on-topic, a guy that has 50 million is probably looking for something more exclusive than a 100 EUR per hour hooker that thousands of men have already had. If he is going to pay for sex, it is likely to be with a celebrity, model, or beauty contest winner. He likely is in a position of power so probably would not want to be seen in a FKK club.

[QUOTE=BadinSweet;2110830]By the way, I forgot to mention, she also showed me the hotel reservation of their over-water bungalow villas which, I just check, is going for 1200 Euro per night.[/QUOTE]So this receipt has the customer's name on it? Did she at least censor that out?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2110814]Hmmm. I may go to hamburg next trip and make a trip to Berlin by train for one night as Artemis is close by? Or? I am bit concerned for line up casting in German FKK now, it is 85% same girls in most clubs or even more 90% same girls with no new stunner added. I went to all same girls beside two new girl I tried out, service were good though.[/QUOTE]Well if you go to Hamburg, then you won't have to worry about it being the "same" line-up since you've never been there before LOL! And you can take an easy side trip to Berlin via bus or train. Maybe you can find Lilia. I think you would like her.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2110838]All the WGs know the best-paying clients aren't necessarily the richest. A client who has a net worth of 1 million may pay better than one who has a net worth of 50 million. Even a man who has only 1 million net worth could conceivably drop 50 K on a single WG over a one month span. Why? Loneliness, depression, life circumstances. Maybe this allegedly "super rich" Asian client is only worth 1 million. But he is going through a divorce. He realizes he will soon lose half of his wealth, so rather than let his wife take it, he is going to blow through as much money as he can before the settlement. This Asian client could just be pretending to be "super-rich" to make himself feel better or to impress the WG.

Or the WG fully realizes that he is not as wealthy as his spending habits indicate, and she has ulterior motives for telling you that he is super-rich. There are at least three ways she can use this angle to further lock you in as her client: (1) she could be trying to encourage you to compete for her affection (I. E. Go from being a 3-hour customer to a 5-hour customer), or (2) she is trying to make you feel like you are getting a bargain (when people feel like they are getting a bargain, people tend to be more happier with their purchasing decision), or (3) she wants you to feel like you are her special client ("that other guy pays much more, but I give you the same service because I like you so much more"..[/QUOTE]Well 100 euro per hour hooker we fuck at FKK often work also at escort charging few hundred euro per hour. Many stunners are like this, they do escort, on free days, they work at FKK via up selling FKK pricing structure LOL.

[QUOTE=BadinSweet;2110668]Just returned from a Thanksgiving weekend in Germany and make me realized how out of the league I am, we are. Here on ISG, people discussed how and what they should get for 50 E /100 E session. I talked to couple girls, who became good friends with me. One girl told me about how this one client just took her on a shopping spree of 10,000 Euro with things like LV bag, shoes, etc. Buying her a new car, and transferred her 20 K to her acct for Christmas holidays. This other girl also told me how this one client paid for 3 K business class seat for her to fly to meet him at this one tropical island (don't want to name it, for privacy reason), gave her 10 K for this weekend getaway, etc. (I know this for a fact because I helped her choose the seat on the plane).

Just make me realize that I am so out of the league and cannot compete with such clients. Though the girls enjoy spending time with me but man, a weekend getaway, with that much money, I will suck the guy dick too, LOL.[/QUOTE]It happens, but men in this case are damn ones LOL.

I met a girl outside club and had session, but I paid normal rate and also taxi fee, and I saved my entrance.

I do not get why some girls meet outside than in club, but few times I did it, it was good fun to remember.

Those who do want to spend crazy amount can go ahead, but what is the point in that and I do not believe most part of what girls says in FKK clubs anyways LOL so these story can be all BS.

Mr. Ho,

Well it seems we have somewhat same taste in girls, and if you've read some of my latest reviews this year, the two clubs palace and GT are perhaps the 2 that I've also felt has declined the most. (Or GT I have never felt were that good out of my limited visits).

Like you said Oceans has some stunners, so its still good. Acapulco is definitely still alive and well. Sharks is bouncing back strong these days. So you probably should have changed GT and Palace with Aca and Sharks.

Oase is trying hard with lots of new girls this year as some of the old lineup is moving on. Still not impressed, and haven't seen Ina recently either as she was the one new interesting girl there. Chayenne, Carla and a few others too are there, but its slim pickings normally. Haven't seen szanett on my visits for over a year even though I read about her, so I'm not too impressed.

Samya is alive and well, but the lineup is not stellar. Katea and Madeleina for me, and maybe Kiara. But the place is perhaps not the place that makes one want to fuck.

YY is a club I definitely want to visit again. But lineup is up and down it seems.

I thought LR was good. My girl from SS is also there now. She was great.

I'm far from sold on going hamburg. Could do Artemis again mainly for Aksena and perhaps that Thai girl.

Wellcum is well worth a 3 day trip. I'd rather mix that up with Berlin than Hamburg.

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I met a girl outside club and had session, but I paid normal rate and also taxi fee, and I saved my entrance.

I do not get why some girls meet outside than in club, but few times I did it, it was good fun to remember.

Those who do want to spend crazy amount can go ahead, but what is the point in that and I do not believe most part of what girls says in FKK clubs anyways LOL so these story can be all BS.[/QUOTE]Lets assume one pay 1000 Euro a day to see a girl outside. For the 50 E guy in the club, he will say "why spend so much money with someone when you can have her for 50 E room for 20 rooms! Some guy pay for train ticket, you pay for taxi, some pay for economy ticket, this guy pays for business class seat. So, it is all relative. These guys are super rich so, spending 20 K Euro for a weekend getaway with their honey probably means nothing to them. It's like Tiger Wood fly his chicks in first class to meet him or he sent a private jet to pick up Lindsey Vonn when they were not dating yet.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2110842]So this receipt has the customer's name on it? Did she at least censor that out?[/QUOTE]Not the name but it has the ticket cost, the guy cell phone, and email address.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2110838]All the WGs know the best-paying clients aren't necessarily the richest. A client who has a net worth of 1 million may pay better than one who has a net worth of 50 million. Even a man who has only 1 million net worth could conceivably drop 50 K on a single WG over a one month span. Why? Loneliness, depression, life circumstances. Maybe this allegedly "super rich" Asian client is only worth 1 million. But he is going through a divorce. He realizes he will soon lose half of his wealth, so rather than let his wife take it, he is going to blow through as much money as he can before the settlement. This Asian client could just be pretending to be "super-rich" to make himself feel better or to impress the WG.

Or the WG fully realizes that he is not as wealthy as his spending habits indicate, and she has ulterior motives for telling you that he is super-rich. There are at least three ways she can use this angle to further lock you in as her client: (1) she could be trying to encourage you to compete for her affection (I. E. Go from being a 3-hour customer to a 5-hour customer), or (2) she is trying to make you feel like you are getting a bargain (when people feel like they are getting a bargain, people tend to be more happier with their purchasing decision), or (3) she wants you to feel like you are her special client ("that other guy pays much more, but I give you the same service because I like you so much more".

But to get back more on-topic, a guy that has 50 million is probably looking for something more exclusive than a 100 EUR per hour hooker that thousands of men have already had. If he is going to pay for sex, it is likely to be with a celebrity, model, or beauty contest winner. He likely is in a position of power so probably would not want to be seen in a FKK club.[/QUOTE]From what they told me, these are just nice guy who try to help them. After the one visit in the club, they never went back. Again, these girls know me well and they have no reason to make things up. Girl A, the one with 10 K shopping and guy buying her a car, I am not her regular. I am actually good friend with her friend. She knows I won't be her regular but for some reason girls seem to trust me and tell me their stories.

Girl be, the one with weekend getaway, this one I knew her for a long time. Anyhow, in case someone think this is all BS, here is my conversation with her on FB when I helped her with the seats selection, on an Airbus A380, top deck business seat.

[QUOTE=BadinSweet;2111136]Girl be, the one with weekend getaway, this one I knew her for a long time. Anyhow, in case someone think this is all BS, here is my conversation with her on FB when I helped her with the seats selection, on an Airbus A380, top deck business seat.[/QUOTE]Yep this is true. One girl told me when she was flying to Dubai with her "daddy" from Frankfurt, the business / first was filled with prostitutes. It's just how things are. Those rich Muslims only want a blond European prostitute as a sex toy, they will only marry one of their own, at least for the first wife. Blond prostitutes can maybe be 4th wife. LOL.

Also club girls that work / worked in Dubai will also most likely do AO if you pay enough. No one is spending 20 k for a weekend to cum in a condom, not even the rich Arabs. Gangbang creampies in the middle east! The only way for peace in the middle east is to import more European prostitutes!

As for the shopping weekend stuff I'm also guilty, but hey it's just money! Paper grows on trees!

[QUOTE=BadinSweet;2111136]Again, these girls know me well and they have no reason to make things up. Girl A, the one with 10 K shopping and guy buying her a car, I am not her regular. I am actually good friend with her friend. She knows I won't be her regular but for some reason girls seem to trust me and tell me their stories.
[/QUOTE]I don't doubt that guy could be worth 5-10 million EUR. But super-rich? Seems doubtful. Both the Asian-guy and the WG could be exaggerating. Why? Perhaps she is not proud of being a 100 EUR per hour WG, but wants to think of herself as a high-class escort. Super-rich guys could be with models, so if they choose her, it validates her.

I have a friend who took this model / hostess he met to Seychelles and Dubai for a week long getaway. He told me spent 25 K EUR and he makes about 200-250 K EUR a year (knowing him, probably 20% exaggeration on both those figures). But his mindset: it was his birthday, and you-only-live-once. I met one FKKer who was spending I believe $7-8 K on his three trips per year when he was probably only making $30-40 K. Point is it's hard to deduce wealth based on a snapshot of spending. If the guy was paying for a 20 K weekend getaway with her every month, then that would be more conclusive.

Romanians living in the west tend to brag. Probably 1 in 7 people work abroad. Nobody wants to go back home a failure. So what ends up happening is everyone they know embellishes their earnings a little, so out of embarrassment, they are forced do the same. It almost becomes habit. You seem to be on FB frieds with all them. How many post pictures of their cars, expensive holidays, and luxury items?

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Of course, it could be completely true that the guy is super-rich, but I would think it would be rare occurrence. Maybe the only one in her career.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2110933]Mr. Ho,

Well it seems we have somewhat same taste in girls, and if you've read some of my latest reviews this year, the two clubs palace and GT are perhaps the 2 that I've also felt has declined the most. (Or GT I have never felt were that good out of my limited visits).

Like you said Oceans has some stunners, so its still good. Acapulco is definitely still alive and well. Sharks is bouncing back strong these days. So you probably should have changed GT and Palace with Aca and Sharks.

Oase is trying hard with lots of new girls this year as some of the old lineup is moving on. Still not impressed, and haven't seen Ina recently either as she was the one new interesting girl there. Chayenne, Carla and a few others too are there, but its slim pickings normally. Haven't seen szanett on my visits for over a year even though I read about her, so I'm not too impressed..[/QUOTE]Yes, I must re-think my visiting area strategy due to limitation of line up in German FKK. Before 2015, we had great line up days where few stunner are added to clubs, but now, same line up, same stunner some not even being there during our visit etc. So since limitation of line up is notable these days, I have to re-think where to go next. Good news is BBBJ is no problem for me, but I do think it will be problematic thing in future as new girls will use it against us.

I liked land in Frankfurt, do palace, goto Düsseldorf and sleep one night, so have two full days at gt since it is day time club, and head back to Frankfurt with last train, but hmmm line up was really same and I liked all the girls I fucked during this visit of mine, but I fucked most of them few times before this year, so I have to seek for new stunner. The thing is where to go as clubs you mentioned are all far apart LOL.

Oase, I have such bad upselling memory and sharks, LU were not my taste and I do not like that lighting as it is deceiving, unless it is summer when we can see them under sun light before set off to room. For those two clubs, I prefer GT and LR.

Yeah LR is nice and always find not exactly stunner, but next door teeny hot girl kind of girls who are young and service by far is good in LR and GT than other clubs. But LU were 90% same this year, I did spread out visits in I think Feb., June and Nov. This year, so it is balanced checks on LU.

I am kind of interested of going back to Artemis but BBBJ reports are alarming there on forum and also I understand with the police raid there, I understand if kenan the owner is concerned about such rules, so hmmm. Also line up at Artemis declined that is why I left so shall I take chance there again or?

Hamuburg interest me simply because all German stunner I had mostly claim they are from there, so being close to Denmark border and being blonde Germans etc. Explain my taste for women, Denmark and German mix is good blonde or brunette taste of mine.

I do have to think and seek for strategy for better new LU for my next visit to Germany, I may end up doing same as I cannot think of solution for now, but at least I got a lot to consider during this Christmas season for my 2018 lust strategy LOL.

2010 to 2014 Artemis line up was my best times, when line up was so big and diverse, with many like about 5 different kind of stunners in line up and these stunners change here and there each time I visit enabled me to taste few stunners each time I went. I got to think how to supply me the same for my next visit.

It also made me realize that some girls mention about Jan. 1st registration, so LU may move around after then too. We monger who seek for stunners and know what we want in FKK must consider our travelling strategy as bit, at least for me I am mostly fucking same stunners for almost 2 years now LOL.

If I go with any cute girls in FKK, it is easy, but me chasing mostly just stunners made my life hard these days, well still these stunners fuck me very good as I am repeated client, though I could use some change in casting of stunners.

Question is what to do.

I tend to go with a nice and sweet girl. So, the one that I am really friend with and keep in contact, they don't fit the profile of what you are talking about. Their FB are not full of nice things, bragging, showing off, etc. When I meet them outside, they order cheap stuff and never took advantage of me, eventhough they know I will be paying for everything. Hence I really like them, also as a person. So, If I were to hit a lottery and have a lot of money, I can also see myself taking them on an expensive trip, giving them money to help them out so they won't have to be in the club.

200 to 250 K euro, or roughly $240-300 K annual income is not big shakes, especially if the person is located in NYC or London or San Fran. It might barely qualify a family of 3/4 for a middle class living in such places. Sounds like a nice number, but after taxes (assuming these guys are making a honest living, and are not the "lover boys" we discuss endlessly) and rent / mortgage and commute, not much is left. I don't think such a person has any business splurging 25 K Euro for a week of pleasure. May be for one very special week, but keep doing it regularly and he won't have much left for his golden years.

Ofc people can make high amounts in low cost of living areas too, but in general in the US it is in high cost areas that regular folks obtain higher salaries. Not universally true but generally yes.

5 to 10 mil Euro, or $6 to $12 mil net worth is a different matter, especially if it is $12 mil and not $6 mil. First of all, if a person has that much, he doesn't need to live in a high cost of living area because he doesn't need to make a living in the first place. Just investing the majority of that amount in safe income yielding instruments can reap a few hundred grand dividend / interest annually w / o touching the principal.

$10 mil is what qualifies for top 1% by net worth. It's also where estate taxes kick in, I. E. Bona fide wealthy. This is in the US, and on a global basis the thresholds will be lower.

And it is not easy for most people making the $300K/year to accumulate $10 mil net worth. Unless the person starts making that much from the age of 25, or otherwise gets very lucky with some investments. Just do the math, and you can see it.

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Well if I have x million euro or whatever is discussed here lately.

I will live in FKK, get delivered 5 star food there, but I will just live in FKK everyday from after lunch till like 11 PM-ish till I go home, and upon arriving home I will order escort for final sex before sleep and she stay to sex me up in following morning.

I will repeat above till I die if I have x million euro cash to burn.

However. I took FKK girls in my hotel room, but usually they ask for 500 euro and it is not for whole night. It is for few hours with good service, so it actually can be cheaper to goto club.

Plus, I always suspect, girls come to you in hotel room early so she can get cash payment that is unknown to tax authorities and after me they goto FKK club LOL Maybe or maybe not.

However, these girls are not that hard working, so it maybe that she get 500 or so euro and take that as easy few hour working day that is almost day off as she only has to work few hours with client she knows for long time.

Anyways, I want to live in FKK so all I see everyday is young girls pussies LOL.