American Politics

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2719678]I expect a lot will happen in the next ten days.

And a indictment of TrumpShit to happen before the end of July.

The House SubCommitte (on the January 6th attack of our Capital) has a block of Prime-Time television scheduled for a Jul 21st (final?) hearng.

The whole evening will just go over the 3 hours & 17 minutes from when TrumpShit attacked his driver to when he sent his gangs of armed deplorables home.

Nearly 200 minutes of duty dereliction for the subcommittee to cover, detail and critique.

After which I expect the January 6th subcommittee will turn its (still in progress) investigation over to the DOJ.

Enough has been already developed in both of the investigations (the 6th's committee & DOJ).

It will still only take a few days after both investigations are merged.[/QUOTE]I really hope you're right.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2719683]Legal professionals need to decide if any cases can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which of course is a very high standard. If so then they need to move forward. Our jury system works a lot. Walking on eggshells for fear of giving rise to more "deep state" hogwash conspiracy theories shouldn't be a consideration for a moment. That's all coming at us at with both barrels from a segment of our society regardless. Their whole MO and way of life is playing the victim and pitching unproven nonsense, as it is for Trump, and this will continue unabated no matter.

P.S. Repubs don't always win. They lose a lot. And though historically the pendellum swings back and forth, they recently lost the Senate, the WH, and the coup attempt orchestrated by some failed.[/QUOTE]Yes, but if we're honest, the senate losing was a result of Trump's insane self-defeating arrogance. And in terms of the coup we came dangerously close to a catastrophe.

Trump told Raffensperger to find 11,000 votes. He threatened him with a criminal prosecution. It happened 1. 5 years ago. It's on tape. He should've already been prosecuted just for that thing alone.

The problem with AGs is that they always try to avoid taking the risk. This is the case when they must take the risk, IMHO.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2719676]
We can't live with these leftists. A quarter to a third of the country has no grasp upon reality. As well as the lunacy above, they think that men can give birth, the world is going to end in 9 years because of cow farts, and you can kill your baby because privacy.

Bring on the separation. It'll be messy, but we'll be in a better and saner place by the end of it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I can see a red-blue divide. It might be the only way.

Like so many things the left proposes, when I heard about ESG scores, I really, really thought they were a joke. There are so many times I have heard things on South Park (PC Principal, check your privilege, microagressions, Chinese censorship, and Trans bathrooms) that were so crazy and far fetched I could not believe they were real.

On the one hand, I have to hand it to the Dems. The ESG score was a great way to push dumb Dem values and see how many countries and companies adhered to them. Worse, American money was being used to give preference to countries and companies that followed dumb Dem values.

Well, as we saw with climate change, it worked great until people had no water, jobs, food, or power. Ghana, Sri Lanka, and the Netherlands have been pummeled, but there are more to come.

Here in Texas we have had a heat wave and the power grid, our own power grid, has been in danger of failing because we went too damned green with the windmills. The reality is they are fine for generating electricity but not when there is high demand and not when the wind dies down.

It is funny to see how California is running out of water but Saudi Arabia is doing fine. That is because SA has actually built desalination plants while California has done nothing.

It was easy to make fun of Biden's energy policy, but we have enough sane people to fight it. These other countries do not. All of Europe is afraid that natural gas will be shut off, but they are worried about excess methane from cow farts. You cannot make this shit up.

Then there is the high gasoline crap. Biden has said he will keep pouring money into Ukraine and is willing to keep gasoline prices up for as long as it takes to defeat Russia. The concept that we suffer financially while enriching Russia makes no sense to me, but I am not a dumb Dem.

The morons at the DEA have policies killing 100,000+ people per year. I want to addict the DEA to pain pills, cut them off, and say "Hey, these are no good for you, do not take them" and force them on the street to die from heroin and fentanyl like they have done to so many people in chronic pain.

But the ESG / Climate change crew is making the DEA look like girls scouts. If this keep going, I want to break away the country in two. Going without food, water, and power is not a cute debate. It is about time to say fuck you Biden. We are going to build refineries, drill for oil, and we will pay California for their fruits and nuts. If you dumb Dems want to go back to the stone age, have at it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2719710]I really hope you're right.

Yes, but if we're honest, the senate losing was a result of Trump's insane self-defeating arrogance. And in terms of the coup we came dangerously close to a catastrophe.

Trump told Raffensperger to find 11,000 votes. He threatened him with a criminal prosecution. It happened 1. 5 years ago. It's on tape. He should've already been prosecuted just for that thing alone.

The problem with AGs is that they always try to avoid taking the risk. This is the case when they must take the risk, IMHO.[/QUOTE]When you're dealing with a crime that hinges on the accused actually knowing something and not being a blithering idiot too stupid to, for example, know that he / Trump is the loser who lost the election to Biden, the Trumps will have a hugely convincing natural defence argument going for them; all evidence supports the conclusion that they are indeed that stupid.

What is needed is inarguable evidence that he knew he was the loser when he was asking fellow Repubs to accept his Big Lie and help him overturn a free and fair election.

The only expertise in anything Don the Con has exhibited is in knowing exactly which words to omit in order to keep himself out of the slammer all these decades.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2719623]Of course "racism", according to the wacko left, only works one way. There are all kind of black organizations, newspapers, TV channels, community groups etc in the US, which are peopled by and exist solely to support and advance black people. Same for Jewish organizations, Indian organizations, Chinese organizations, etc. These are all spoken of approvingly by leftists and their fake news media. Many of them even get welfare gibsmedats (mostly paid for by white taxpayers).

But if a group of white people get together, even by accident, the reaction from the same people is "REEEEEEEEE![/QUOTE]Evidently Chrissy doesn't have a clue as to what racial self-interest is and how it differs from racism. I am almost certain that Chrissy views groups like the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, the 1%ers, the Patriot Front and the rest as social organizations who don't have a mean bone in their collective bodies. After all, anybody who believes that the riot at the Capitol was a peaceful demonstration will believe virtually anything.

Your white robe is showing!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2719627]Average living standards in the US are among the highest in the world.

We already had your commie bullshit argument 50 years ago. The US beat the USSR because your socialist shit doesn't work, no matter how good you and your "peer-reviewed" Marxist 'professors' try and make it sound.

The irony is that America is failing now because it is becoming socialist and wacko left, with endless debt, gibsmedats, useless low IQ welfare immigrants, and useless green bullshit that costs trillions and cripples the economy. Meanwhile China doesn't have immigration, doesn't have gibsmedats and didn't fall for the green bullshit, and they are soaring ahead and taking over the world.[/QUOTE]Isn't that what you tell everybody who thinks the US can be better?

You fail to realize (naturally) that much of the debt that the US has come from RethugliKKKan "trickle down economics" horse hockey. The moron brigade doesn't understand that "rich people" stay "rich" not by spending what they have but by hording what they have.

The moron brigade still claims that these "useless low IQ welfare immigrants" are all coming to take your jobs. You, Chrissy, have said so yourself. So unless your job is of an unskilled nature, these immigrants ain't going to take nuttin'.

The simple facts of the matter is that you believe in a "USA for white people" mantra. All of your post say that in one form or another. The simple facts are that you are scared spitless that the US is becoming "browner" and you can't do anything to stop it. All of your post say that in one form or another.

If you want to live under a dictator, please move to China. Or Russia. Or anywhere else where don't have the freedom to spout your BS. The majority of folks in the US don't want a dictator and never have.

Your white robe is showing.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2719710]I really hope you're right.

Yes, but if we're honest, the senate losing was a result of Trump's insane self-defeating arrogance. And in terms of the coup we came dangerously close to a catastrophe.

Trump told Raffensperger to find 11,000 votes. He threatened him with a criminal prosecution. It happened 1. 5 years ago. It's on tape. He should've already been prosecuted just for that thing alone.

The problem with AGs is that they always try to avoid taking the risk. This is the case when they must take the risk, IMHO.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/the_media_are_lying_about_trumps_phone_call_with_raffensperger.html[/URL]

Here's what really happened on the phone call. First, Trump wasn't the only person on the phone. Also present were Mark Meadows, Mike Pompeo, and multiple attorneys. There isn't the slightest chance that they would have allowed Trump to beg Raffensperger for illegal votes or to threaten him.

Second, contrary to what the media implied, Trump was not operating off the premise that he lost Georgia. If that had been the case, it would indeed have been wrong for Trump to beg for Raffensperger to "find" votes for him.

Instead, Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger's watch. According to Trump's evidence, he didn't lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump's statements in that regard:

"I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. ".

"We have. Anywhere from 250300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. ".

"We think that if you check the signatures a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. . ".

Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/07/georgia-gop-censures-secretary-of-state-brad-raffensperger-for-dereliction-of-his-constitutional-duty/[/URL]

The Georgia Republican Party censured Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Saturday for "dereliction of his constitutional duty. ".

WHEREAS, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger failed to perform his duties in accordance with the laws and Constitution of the state of Georgia, and Republican Party values, including but not limited to:

Entering into the Compromise Settlement Agreement and Release, which changed Georgia's absentee voting procedures outside the Constitutionally prescribed format set forth in Georgia law.

Undermining the security of our elections by allowing mass mailings of absentee applications by his office and third parties which created opportunities for fraud and overwhelmed election offices; rendering accurate signature matching nearly impossible; allowing ballot drop boxes without proper chain of custody; and ignoring sworn affidavits and evidence of voter fraud;.

WHEARAS, the fecklessness and failures of Secretary Raffensperger were enabled by the actions and inactions by others such as LT. Governor Duncan, who denied that there was election fraud and punished Georgia Republican State Senators who asked for election audits; Attorney General Carr, who allowed his office to file an amicus brief opposing the lawsuit asking for inspection of the Fulton County absentee ballots; and legislative leaders who failed to fully address known election issues prior to the runoff; all have, either by their direct action or inaction, significantly eroded confidence in our state's election system.

[URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/report-still-no-chain-of-custody-for-hundreds-of-thousands-of-georgia-ballots/[/URL]

April 9, 2021.

Report: Still no chain of custody for hundreds of thousands of Georgia ballots.

The Georgia Secretary of State's office reported 1. 3 million absentee vote-by-mail ballots were cast in the 2020 election. The Georgia Star News report noted that polling performed by John McLaughlin & Associates suggests that 600,000 of those ballots were placed in drop boxes throughout the state.

The Star News in December filed Open Records requests to Georgia's 159 counties in an effort to procure copies of the ballot transfer documentation. As of Thursday, the outlet has only received chain of custody documentation from 59 counties.

Based on the estimated 600,000 votes placed in drop boxes statewide, the outlet reports that it has yet to receive documentation for 355,918, or 59.3 percent of those 600,000 ballots.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2719676]Imagine a shitlib so brainwashed, stupid and / or arrogant that after Bill's rapes, Hillary's emails, Nancy's insider trading, Sleepy Joe and Hunter's Chinese / Ukrainian kickbacks, they're talking seriously about attempting to charge Trump with a crime over some unarmed people walking into and out of a building.

We can't live with these leftists. A quarter to a third of the country has no grasp upon reality. As well as the lunacy above, they think that men can give birth, the world is going to end in 9 years because of cow farts, and you can kill your baby because privacy.

Bring on the separation. It'll be messy, but we'll be in a better and saner place by the end of it.[/QUOTE]Imagine a rightwingnut so brainwashed and / or arrogant that after all of the Mango Mussolini's grifting, flaunting of all of the norms of decency, ignoring of the emoluments clause, lies, et cetera that they still believe that the election was stolen and that the folks who marched to the Capitol were unarmed and peacefully protesting.

We can't live with these righties. A quarter of the country has no grasp on reality. As well as the lunacy above, they believe that transgender people don't really exist, that the climate isn't changing for the worse and that fetuses are babies after 6 weeks but someone who is 20 weeks pregnant can't drive in a HOV lane because there aren't two people in the car.

But let's not bring on a separation. Just bring on the Army.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2719581]Elvis, your refutal of my comment by mention of billionaires kind of proves my point. There are 614 billionaires in USA, So 614 people have arrived at the end of the rainbow. That's a miniscule number. Whereas, the other 329,499,386 are still being fed that BS propaganda story that if you work hard you can achieve success.

Currently, the top 1% hold 32% of the wealth, whereas the bottom 50% hold just 2. 6%. That statistic alone is truly sickening and demonstrates all you need to know the bottom 50% are being fed a lie! It wasn't always like that. The top 10% of wealth-owners, used to own 4550% in 1913, but that fell to 3035% in 1948. This shows the staggering funneling of money up the ladder in the USA in the last few decades.
[/QUOTE]JustTK, the joke we used to make about communism was "We communists are fair and believe in equality. Why does your neighbor have 2 cars and you have one? Become communists, and you both will have no cars. ".

Yes, I have seen the nonsense about how people are not better off now than they were in the 1990's but that is bunk. The whole pie has grown bigly since then, and the poor are better off than they were.

The bigger issue is who do the pols serve, us or the billionaires? I think you know the answer to that. Thing is the election of Trump was, and this is ironic because he himself is a billionaire, a middle finger to the ruling elite.

As for the billionaires keeping people down, that is just pure BS. Acai is a fruit / pine nut that was brought to the USA by a hippie type guy a few decades ago. I met him. He liked the taste so much he brought it here. He was putting it in drinks, ice cream ETC. I joked that Coke was going to keep him down, and he said it was the opposite. They encouraged him. They told him if he kept driving his sales higher he would be big enough for Coke to acquire. The same goes in tech. The startups are always looking to be bought by Facebook / Meta and Google.

I remember people incredulous when Facebook bought Instagram for $1 billion. The thought was they overpaid but now they are Facebook's crown jewel. The people who say you cannot make it here if you do not work hard are full of it.

The underlying fundamental issue with the USA and this is strange to say but the women are not having as many kids. Everyone thinks inflation is due to excessive money printing and it is but the demand side is more important and inflation is really driven by the number of young people. Once a person hits age 47, they consume less and less of all things save for health care.

With less inflation, that allows the federal reserve to stimulate growth with ultra low interest rates. This is what causes the huge disparities in wealth. In the early 1980's when we had high interest rates, a business making $1 million a year may be worth $4 million. A tech company with decent growth prospects making $1 million per year may be valued as high as $50 million or more.

Because profits are so important and multiplied as high as they are, there is enormous pressure to keep costs low. When you have a PE ratio of 50 plus like Amazon did, every $1 increase in wages is $50+ out of Jeff Bezos pocket. This drives not just companies but all of society to be on enormous edge. The thinking is if we upset the apple cart the enormous wealth generated will fall. So the government has gotten together with the wealthy and have used this as an excuse to wage war on our freedoms. For the most part, the most basic civil rights are gone. Hell, if you mention to the police you know your rights, they will assume you are guilty of something.

What pisses me off is that when people are asked about searches. They say, "If you have nothing to hide, why not let them?" It is as if the notion that the police may plant something is impossible or are up to no good in another way. I would not have believed this if a lawyer had not told this to me but one guy was arrested because his Viagra was not in a prescription bottle. He had 10 pills and back then they were worth like $200. They arrested him, put him in jail, and when he was let go two days later, the pills were gone. I got to hear stories like this all the time. If it was not the lawyer but the guy, I would not have believed it. I would have said, "Come on, what did you really do?" but the police arrested him so they could steal his Viagra.

When you have companies so on edge with profits, they are susceptible to the police saying we are here to keep the order. Snowden let us know we were being searched illegally and he is in Russia now while the guys who are doing and have done it go free. That is the issue I have with the USA.

I have decided that other countries want to do what the USA has but eventually I want to live in a country where the government is not as trusted or efficient as we are. I am also wanting one with a lot more younger people.

FWIW, JustTK, my brother traveled the world looking for the best country in the world to live in and after all his travels, he came back here. It is not the land of the free anymore (not sure if it ever really was) but it is still the land of opportunity.

One of the reasons I traveled so much to South America was that the demographics were so much more favorable, and they still are. Africa and South America have the best demographics for growth in the world.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2719875]Isn't that what you tell everybody who thinks the US can be better?

You fail to realize (naturally) that much of the debt that the US has come from RethugliKKKan "trickle down economics" horse hockey. The moron brigade doesn't understand that "rich people" stay "rich" not by spending what they have but by hording what they have.

The simple facts of the matter is that you believe in a "USA for white people" mantra. All of your post say that in one form or another. The simple facts are that you are scared spitless that the US is becoming "browner" and you can't do anything to stop it. All of your post say that in one form or another.

If you want to live under a dictator, please move to China. Or Russia. Or anywhere else where don't have the freedom to spout your BS. The majority of folks in the US don't want a dictator and never have.

Your white robe is showing.[/QUOTE]I think what Chris is saying is we want to keep the red states, and you keep the blue. That way, you all can enjoy your climate change policies, corrupt as shit FBI and CIA, throwing money at Ukraine, your stupid ESG scores, porous borders, and anxiety over cow farts. If you have not noticed, everyone is moving to the red states anyway.

I am not sure where you get off with your racist crap. We red states love productive, legal immigrants. If you guys want to let the trash in, that is fine with us but now you can pay for it.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2719882] they still believe that the election was stolen and that the folks who marched to the Capitol were unarmed and protesting peacefully [/QUOTE]And there we go again! Another leftist claiming the protesters were armed, when in fact not a single one was found to be. And not a single fatality in the entire protest other than Ashli Babbitt, an unarmed protester shot dead without warning by a police officer. Of course, you probably consider the fiery BLM riots to be "peaceful protests".

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2719882]But let's not bring on a separation. Just bring on the Army.[/QUOTE]I don't think you'll like the results when that happens. The rank and file, unlike the prancing princess generals in the Pentagon who are angling for lucrative Raytheon contracts and other deep state gigs when they retire, might not be so keen to attack heritage Americans in favor of election-stealers, illegal immigrants, trannies and groomers (aka the democrat base).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2719876]Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger's watch. According to Trump's evidence, he didn't lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump's statements in that regard:

"I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. ".

"We have. Anywhere from 250300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. ".

"We think that if you check the signatures a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. . ".

Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can..[/QUOTE]Good post. Over 350,000 illegal ballots in Georgia alone. Democrats love "undocumented" ballots almost as much as they love "undocumented" immigrants.

As Trump said: he won. By a lot.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2719875]still claims that these "useless low IQ welfare immigrants" are all coming to take your jobs.

The simple facts of the matter is that you believe in a "USA for white people" mantra.[/QUOTE]Wrong again. The primary reason the democrats want low IQ turd world illegals is to create a permanent welfare underclass, entirely beholden to them, which will allow them an excuse to grow the government (and their own wealth and power) in order to 'provide services' to the underclass.

As a secondary matter, they (and the treacherous RINO / Cuckservative / Chamber of Commerce types whom we are currently banishing from the GOP, see Liz Cheney primary next month for an update) want them as a serf class. Rather than hire American tradesmen (or American teenagers for simple jobs like lawnmowing as people used to in the old days) they can get some dodgy Guatemalans to do the work on the cheap. Of course it will probably be shoddy and soon break, but few people think long term when they can save up front.

Of course none of the illegals will pay tax, and many of the American tradesmen will be forced onto welfare as a result, so it's a twofer to increase the national debt. Bring on $40 trillion!

Finally, not "USA for white people" but "USA for heritage Americans". That includes white, black and native people who were here before the 1965 Immigration Act was passed <be under false pretenses</ be . The sponsors of the bill such as Ted Kennedy flat out lied (a democrat habit, as we see with your overt lies about "armed protesters" on Jan 6) and told the American people that the country's demographics would not be changed. We must correct that lie and return to the demographics that made the country great in the 20th Century.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2719683] coup attempt orchestrated by some failed.[/QUOTE]Boy, an entirely unarmed coup attempt! Did everyone forget to bring their guns? That really was an oversight for people planning a coup, eh?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2719769]Yeah, I can see a red-blue divide. It might be the only way.

Like so many things the left proposes, when I heard about ESG scores, I really, really thought they were a joke. There are so many times I have heard things on South Park (PC Principal, check your privilege, microagressions, Chinese censorship, and Trans bathrooms) that were so crazy and far fetched I could not believe they were real.

On the one hand, I have to hand it to the Dems. The ESG score was a great way to push dumb Dem values and see how many countries and companies adhered to them. Worse, American money was being used to give preference to countries and companies that followed dumb Dem values.

Well, as we saw with climate change, it worked great until people had no water, jobs, food, or power. Ghana, Sri Lanka, and the Netherlands have been pummeled, but there are more to come.

Here in Texas we have had a heat wave and the power grid, our own power grid, has been in danger of failing because we went too damned green with the windmills. The reality is they are fine for generating electricity but not when there is high demand and not when the wind dies down.

It is funny to see how California is running out of water but Saudi Arabia is doing fine. That is because SA has actually built desalination plants while California has done nothing.

It was easy to make fun of Biden's energy policy, but we have enough sane people to fight it. These other countries do not. All of Europe is afraid that natural gas will be shut off, but they are worried about excess methane from cow farts. You cannot make this shit up..[/QUOTE]Yeah this ESG crap is horrifying. The truly terrifying thing is that it is completely backed by Jewish finance, IE Lawrence Fink, Chairman and CEO of Blackrock, the world's biggest investment management company with $10 trillion under its control. These finance behemoths are now using their leverage to threaten companies and indeed countries with divestment if they don't implement the wacko green ESG Agenda (and in the West, the diversity Agenda). They own and control so much, and are now using that power to enforce deeply damaging policies that nobody wants, even at a cost to themselves.

It is similar to George Soros, of the same tribe as Fink, who made his billions as a predatory, socially-damaging currency speculator, and is now spending it funding far-left Globohomo movements that nobody wants (pushing tranny shit on kids, DAs who don't prosecute criminals, etc).

Fortunately for China (and now Russia) they are not entangled in these nefarious tentacles and so are free to have healthy policies that benefit their own people. That is also why third world countries are increasingly turning away from the West and toward China for investment and development. China doesn't push faggotry, trannies and climate bullshit on people who want none of it. They just want to turn a profit. Expect China to step in and help Sri Lanka, adding to most of Africa that they now essentially control (to the material benefit of most Africans).

When the big upheaval comes here in America, we must develop a system not reliant on Jewish finance or we risk falling prey to the same disasters again.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2718901]Bannon simply ignored his subpoena.

Which was really dumb. TrumpShit dumb.

But Bannon is a leader in Trump's merry band of stupid losers.

He should join them in jail.

Soon he will.[/QUOTE]For the second time, in less than a week.

Bannon' federal judge refused to postpone the contempt trial.

Bannon might be behind bars before the end of July.

With the other deplorables.