Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2983494]On Soi 4, Viets are usually out past 8 pm. They typically ask 2000. I tend to offer 1000-1500, which almost all will accept, although they prefer that you don't ask in front of their friends, since I guess 2000 is what they agreed to ask. The most common price I had them at was 1200, so 3500 is a huge lucky bonus for them.

Most ask you to pay first, and at 1000 I don't care to put up a fight about it, sets a bad tone for the session. About 1/3 give very basic service and are rushed, but about 2/3 do make some effort, and I do tip them 200-500 extra if deserved. At 3500 upfront, I imagine they would think they've already squeezed all they could, and are just eager to finish and move on.[/QUOTE]I go to soi 7 to drink. If I find a diamond in the ruff such as last time, it's perfect. However, it is full of a lot of drink only girls and as an expat, I am happy for the challenge. If I was a tourist though, I would stay clear of soi 7.

[QUOTE=Aimless;2982973]Thanks for the props ET. It's my pleasure to be the fall guy on a voluntary basis. I find it all fascinating. And yea, like I just posted, Soi 7 really caught my attention so I'll be investing more time there as those 21/22 year olds are probably just what I'm looking for, and I'm prepared to play the game. I'm nowhere near fluent in Thai but study every day and make a game out of learning more Thai with these girls which actually makes for great conversation, lots of laughs, lots of fun and top tier education. I'll keep up the reports as long as I can. Regarding tasting you guys, I think that comes with the country since all these girls have been ridden quite a bit at the very least. I got spoiled in the Philippines where it's easy to find an untouched country girl, but they get boring pretty quick Cheers! A.[/QUOTE]Just remember one thing. What they tell you about you being their first customer and bra bra bra. It's all fake. The girl I posted about on Soi 7 told me the same thing. # weeks in the business and I was her first customer. Bla blah blah. She performed like a pro. It was obvious she has worked before.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2981988]I'm not going to repeat the whole report, but wonderland is a ladyboy bar.[/QUOTE]If this is the first bar at the top of the stairs on your left 1 up from the ground level, then it is full of post op lady boys. It has been for years. The problem is they mix a few real girls in and it confuses some tourists. I always stay clear of that place. A client of mine got into a huge issue in there because he felt he was mislead by his girl. He actually refused to pay her in the hotel and we had to intervene.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2983594]There might be more fluent Thai speakers here who can give you a recommendation. That is, if being so fluent in Thai improves one's chances of getting BBFSCIP with a P4 P girl in a first session. Some here will suggest that it does. I have my doubts about that. I have found some P4 P girls think a relative newbie who isn't quite so familiar with the language, culture, everything AND is asking for BBFSCIP in perfect Thai language has not lived here long enough and banged so many Thai hookers BB to be as riddled with disease as they "think" he might be by now. So, it depends. Maybe a good idea to know and speak the exact right Thai words for it. Or maybe it is better to appear a bit less experienced about it.

Of course, as usual, YMMV.

So I just stick with "boom boom no condom" or perhaps, if asking rather than telling, "boom boom OK mai?

And I am likely to now add "and finish inside", since I am really not interested in renegotiating a whole new feature at the point of penetrative or sometime after the 3rd stroke.

But I have also Google Translated it if necessary. I would say a good 90% plus P4P girls in Bangkok and Pattaya who go with Farangs will understand the English words I have stated so far.

You know, funny thing about that "Real Sex" term I employ for BBFSCIP, usually adding DFK and BBBJ as well. I used to get flamed here for using that term, some punters feeling insulted or bothered by the suggestion that the covered sex they accept or enjoy is somehow not "Real Sex".

However, almost any time I ever used the term "Real Sex" with a Thai girl I was first time texting with on ThaiFriendly, Tinder or whatever, they seemed to know exactly what I meant by it as opposed to "sex with condom" even if I hadn't yet broken down my definition of it as stated here. They would almost always reply, "You mean without condom"? Maybe they ran it through Google Translate. LOL. Yes, that is what I mean.

So maybe some punters don't agree with referring to BBFSCIP as "Real Sex" but an awful lot of Thai P4P girls of any age seem to know the difference between that and "sex with condom" easily enough.[/QUOTE]I mostly never ever talk about this with the girls I meet in bars. It just naturally happens. I only bring it up on Thai Friendly and it always comes with an offer that most times is not refused.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2983831]I mostly never ever talk about this with the girls I meet in bars. It just naturally happens. I only bring it up on Thai Friendly and it always comes with an offer that most times is not refused.[/QUOTE]As recently as 2020, I did the same as you. I was 100% happy using condom. But now I'm old as dirt and I cannot finish in a condom. If in the room she insists on condom, it is frustrating for me and for her. It is a waste of my time and my money. Now I won't take anyone unless BBFSCIP is arranged in advance.

Just me, others should do as they like, but I prefer not to negotiate upfront for specific services. I consider a BBBJ the default no matter where I choose to punt and I will call off the session if a girl will not perform it. Most of the time there is no need to even mention it, but occasionally a girl will reach for a condom and I will just say later baby, blow me first. I do prefer BBFS with most girls I am with, but on this, I will accept a girl's preferences at least on our 1st session. My stats are around 25% of my BKK Go Go girls bareback on our 1st time together. This stat is much higher in other countries in SE Asia, so I am at a loss as to why some BM's stick around BKK or Pattaya when they can have a 90% BB probability with no negotiation elsewhere. As many of you might know, I have been visiting Brazil since covid. My stats in SP boates (nightclub bordellos) is around 10% of my Brazilian girls BBFS on our 1st time. A rather low country stat.

So, 2 questions arise from this: 1) why do I keep returning to Sao Paulo and 2) why don't I negotiate BBFS before taking a girl? 1) is because SP girls are smoking' hot and are in my experience they are the best performers in bed. 2) is because I prefer spontaneity with my girls. Have you ever been with a girl who wanted protected vaginal sex in the beginning, which I always consent to if that is what she wants (I always have a couple of MY condom brand in the nightstand by the bed), but who then later changed her mind about it after we played around a little and her juices began to flow. I have experienced this on many occasions and the experience is worth its weight in gold. I want passion with my intercourse and you can't negotiate that. So, all I try to do is turn her on. It always leads to a better shag even when the sex remains CFS.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2983834]As recently as 2020, I did the same as you. I was 100% happy using condom. But now I'm old as dirt and I cannot finish in a condom. If in the room she insists on condom, it is frustrating for me and for her. It is a waste of my time and my money. Now I won't take anyone unless BBFSCIP is arranged in advance.[/QUOTE]I get the loss of sensation with age and that causing an issue with condoms. What I don't get is the need to cream pie.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2983783]Firstly, thanks EihTooms for your answer. Also wanted to give a shout out to HorseTrader, CCRider, and Aimless for their thoughts and input as well. I need to get my membership upgraded so I can ask questions directly if needed, and I also hope to contribute to this forum when possible. Maybe after I've been to BKK ten times or so over the years I can offer more actionable advice, until then it's just opinions and experiences.

Onto my short field report. Someone mentioned Stockings Massage here recently, and it sounded like it was worth a shot. The website, the one youtube video I could find, and the reviews on the web all seem to be favorable. My experience was lackluster, but here we go. I waltzed in up the stairs around 1 PM local time to reception where I was greeted with a price sheet. I was in the mood to just kinda get in and get out, so I chose the cheapest option which was 2100 baht for 40 minutes. This might have been my first mistake. Probably should have just payed a bit extra for the 60 minutes option, and not come off as a cheap charlie right out of the gate. I'm led up some more stairs and sit on a couch for the "lineup. " I can hear the mamasan waking up / summoning some women, and I hear two distinctive utterances, and low and behold only two women saunter up the stairs. Maybe coming early was my second mistake. Here's the good news, one was a strong 6, and the other was a strong 7, both very cute with good bodies. I chose the hotter one who had zero smile on her face, as opposed to her cute friend that was desperately smiling, and asking with her eyer "please pick me. " I suppose that was my third mistake..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the confirmation of Stockings Massage. Having not frequented a lot of massage places in my trips to Thailand I've been researching but didn't get a good feeling about the place looking at their website. It's human nature to tend toward the hotter of two choices, but for me I will take the smiling 6 any day over the pussy faced 7 or above. Nothing worse than mechanical go through the motions service. But like you said cheaper than door dash in USA. Got to love Thailand. If you run across really good massage shops please post. My trip in 4 weeks. Cheers.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2983830]If this is the first bar at the top of the stairs on your left 1 up from the ground level, then it is full of post op lady boys. It has been for years. The problem is they mix a few real girls in and it confuses some tourists. I always stay clear of that place. A client of mine got into a huge issue in there because he felt he was mislead by his girl. He actually refused to pay her in the hotel and we had to intervene.[/QUOTE]Wonderland gogo bar is the second bar on the left at the top of the escalator, right after Random 2, not on the other side of Nana Plaza at the top of the stairs.

I looked in at Wonderland gogo bar again a couple of nights ago. I honestly did not see one person in there who was not to my eyes rather obviously a ladyboy. That includes the door "girls", servers, mamasan, janitor, bartender, whoever. Maybe there was a natural born female or two way in the back of the bar that I could not see from the entrance. And when I asked at the door if these were all ladyboys I was bruskly shooed away by what might have been a mamasan, also a ladyboy, as though I had uttered some damaging bit of top secret intel. Whatever that was about.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2983831]I mostly never ever talk about this with the girls I meet in bars. It just naturally happens. I only bring it up on Thai Friendly and it always comes with an offer that most times is not refused.[/QUOTE]My recommendation was based on the assumption the OP was simply approaching a Freelancer on the street, in Thermae or after buying a bargirl a drink or two at the most. Essentially, getting to the critical question with as little confusion, muss, fuss, investment of time and money as possible.

I would say the method you have described employing to achieve a willing BBFSCIP lady for the night involves quite a few more elements that surely ought to "speak for themselves" in terms of settling the question of BBFSCIP Or Not in a way that I would also think wouldn't or shouldn't require asking the direct question upfront very often; settling into a particular bar and partying for extended periods of time, tips all around, scoping out which girl tells your "spidy sense" that she will very likely be amenable to having BBFSCIP with you anyway, many ladydrink purchases, therefore a logical conclusion that she is going to be quite drunk in the room and so on.

Isn't that pretty much how it goes and progresses? Forgive me if I have misstated it.

And, sure, the exact wording of the question or request wouldn't matter very much on a ThaiFriendly contact if the baht amount on offer was significant enough for her to enthusiastically jump in to smooth out any grammar or translation clumsiness that might exist, if any.

Haven't found many posts on Eastern European / Russian / Ukranian girls in this thread or the main Bangkok.

Sounds like Covid did away with most of them, but anyone with knowledge mind sharing an update? I see a few escorts on eurogirls but interested if there are SWs by Nana and Soi, or legit agencies? Yes I know they cost more, but still interested.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2983850]Thanks for the confirmation of Stockings Massage. Having not frequented a lot of massage places in my trips to Thailand I've been researching but didn't get a good feeling about the place looking at their website. It's human nature to tend toward the hotter of two choices, but for me I will take the smiling 6 any day over the pussy faced 7 or above. Nothing worse than mechanical go through the motions service. But like you said cheaper than door dash in USA. Got to love Thailand. If you run across really good massage shops please post. My trip in 4 weeks. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Many of the massage places list stockings as an option for an additional fee.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2983864]Wonderland gogo bar is the second bar on the left at the top of the escalator, right after Random 2, not on the other side of Nana Plaza at the top of the stairs.

I looked in at Wonderland gogo bar again a couple of nights ago. I honestly did not see one person in there who was not to my eyes rather obviously a ladyboy. That includes the door "girls", servers, mamasan, janitor, bartender, whoever. Maybe there was a natural born female or two way in the back of the bar that I could not see from the entrance. And when I asked at the door if these were all ladyboys I was bruskly shooed away by what might have been a mamasan, also a ladyboy, as though I had uttered some damaging bit of top secret intel. Whatever that was about.[/QUOTE]There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " Further, my randy 30 year old very experienced monger buddy that lives here in Bangkok with me has pulled three girls out of Wonderland recently and has clearly confirmed they were all real girls. If anyone has any high quality evidence to the contrary then I'd sure like to hear about it. Cheers! A.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2983828]Just remember one thing. What they tell you about you being their first customer and bra bra bra. It's all fake. The girl I posted about on Soi 7 told me the same thing. # weeks in the business and I was her first customer. Bla blah blah. She performed like a pro. It was obvious she has worked before.[/QUOTE]If you're talking about girls in Thailand, I have zero expectations of finding an untouched girl here. I just would like one that isn't taken for a ride several times per night, every night, by other mongers. Its a mental thing with me since I can't compartmentalize as well as the rest of you guys. If you're refering to my experiences in the Phils, after dating over 100 girls there over the past 25 years (and living there) and having many (not all) in my bed, I've only paid two and they didn't claim to be untouched. All the others just wanted a BF and are smitten by westerners (very common there). And as a doc, I can clinically confirm that the ones (only a few) that told me they were untouched, were, including blood on the sheets. I no longer like that responsibility so I avoid them and they're usually quite boring. While I'm at it, I keep going to Soi 7 looking for a girl that meets my expecations looks-wise. I've seen maybe one in my nightly walks (every night) but everyone says I'm too picky. However, I must say, for really picky mongers like me, Nana Plaza really takes the cake. I've only spent serious time in Billboards and Red Dragon, but have come to realize if you want a body that can easily make it in a mens mag like PB or Pent, then Nana is your place. In the bars I've been to, I would say probably 75% of the girls have a body that is a 8/9/10 and 20% of the girls have faces that (to picky me) are 7/8/9 (out of 10). I haven't seen any other venue that comes close, but I have not been to any of the high end GClubs (I'm too cheap for now) where you guys say the hottest ones are, and certainly not Soi Cowboy (a dog show in my opinion, except for the occasional cutie), although Crazy House has a few lookers as I stated in a past report. Just my opinions. Cheers, A.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2983848]I get the loss of sensation with age and that causing an issue with condoms. What I don't get is the need to cream pie.[/QUOTE]Some of us like that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow as finishing the deed with that grand finale is the reward for a job well done, esp without a partyhat. So I feel the need as well and haven't used a condom in decades (but I'm a poser and not a real monger). If you don't mind repeating with a temporary "GF" that you're spending time with (as opposed to pulling 3 different girls every day), you can always go to a doc and get both tested for the usual suspects. If she's a pro and been getting busy with other guys doing BBFS then chances are she will test positive for something if she's not doing the weekly test routine. This is my recipe in the Phils with part-timers and non-pros, and then we both rest easy knowing that we're probably ok with BBFSCIP. And CIP or not doesn't change the risk of anything including pregnancy. My favorite "joke" is "Know what they call people that practice 'poke and pull'"? "No, what?" "Parents! LOL". Just keep in mind that the risk remains for HSV and HPV (even with a condom) but those won't unalive you unless you DATY, but that's a whole 'nother story. Cheers, A.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2983812]Really, if you can elevate your game to these university dorm girls. But first you got to get past the gatekeeper to be able live with girls in their dorm. What I do is sign up for English classes. Pretend I don't understand the language. Me speaky no gud Engrish. Then I draw the attention to me by being the best student in the class and ready to tutor some of these girls. Even do their homework for them which is a breeze for me. They happy. Me happy. We fuck. Most are ready and available for that SD / SB life if you are a decent looking distinguished gentleman like myself. But the annoying thing is these girls aren't as clean as the pros. They don't want to shower before and after the deed.

Immature brats! LOL.

[/QUOTE]Like Joey, the italian prince: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQCbds8hsc[/URL].

[QUOTE=Aimless;2983918]There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " [/QUOTE]Hey mate, the reason they tell you "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " is because Wonderland is a post op ladyboy go go.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2983783]Firstly, thanks EihTooms for your answer. Also wanted to give a shout out to HorseTrader, CCRider, and Aimless for their thoughts and input as well. I need to get my membership upgraded so I can ask questions directly if needed, and I also hope to contribute to this forum when possible. Maybe after I've been to BKK ten times or so over the years I can offer more actionable advice, until then it's just opinions and experiences.

Onto my short field report. Someone mentioned Stockings Massage here recently, and it sounded like it was worth a shot. The website, the one youtube video I could find, and the reviews on the web all seem to be favorable. My experience was lackluster, but here we go. I waltzed in up the stairs around 1 PM local time to reception where I was greeted with a price sheet. I was in the mood to just kinda get in and get out, so I chose the cheapest option which was 2100 baht for 40 minutes. This might have been my first mistake. Probably should have just payed a bit extra for the 60 minutes option, and not come off as a cheap charlie right out of the gate. I'm led up some more stairs and sit on a couch for the "lineup. " I can hear the mamasan waking up / summoning some women, and I hear two distinctive utterances, and low and behold only two women saunter up the stairs. Maybe coming early was my second mistake. Here's the good news, one was a strong 6, and the other was a strong 7, both very cute with good bodies. I chose the hotter one who had zero smile on her face, as opposed to her cute friend that was desperately smiling, and asking with her eyer "please pick me. " I suppose that was my third mistake. Anyway we go into the room and shower, and I realize she's not going to even put stockings on! I'm a go with the flow kinda guy, I just ran out of giving a shit about this sort of thing years ago. She's a 7, we're naked, just go with it. She had medium dark skin, perfect be's, maybe 100 pounds, a touch over five feet, and just a looker overall. The service was pretty basic and mechanical, no kissing, and she was so gracious (yawn) to let me touch her pussy, but of course, no fingering. She does the whole basic nuru with oil bit to get me hard, with not even a hint of offering to give a BJ, at this point this sessions has a crappy vibe, so I don't even ask. I pump away, rip off the hat, and she finishes me off with a great handy. So, uh, yeah that sucked, but hell it cost less than a dash order in the states so whatever. Seems to be a theme on my trips where it either starts off great, then a lull, then great again. Or starts off a bit shitty and builds up to a hell of a time, of which I am experiencing the latter. I think this one is on me and will give it another shot.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this detailed report Interstella. I always wondered what goes on in those places and appreciate the tips. I've got zero experience with this so this advice will need correction by the resident experts here, but along Soi 24 (or the next soi?) not far from the BTS line, there is a little side alley with lots of reasonably cute young girls sitting outside under bright lights for your viewing pleasure at several different shops. The mamasans will greet you with a price list that seemed about the price range you stated. You just pick one (or more) and then go inside and do the deed. When I walk that area, I like the wide variety of choices, the bright lights and the ability to see that "pick me" attitude which sure seems like it would make or break the experience. Cheers! A.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2983812]Really, if you can elevate your game to these university dorm girls. But first you got to get past the gatekeeper to be able live with girls in their dorm. What I do is sign up for English classes. Pretend I don't understand the language. Me speaky no gud Engrish. Then I draw the attention to me by being the best student in the class and ready to tutor some of these girls. Even do their homework for them which is a breeze for me. They happy. Me happy. We fuck. Most are ready and available for that SD / SB life if you are a decent looking distinguished gentleman like myself. But the annoying thing is these girls aren't as clean as the pros. They don't want to shower before and after the deed.

Immature brats! LOL.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6OZaPYsrKSc&pp=ygUiY29sbGVnZSBnaXJscyBhcmUgZWFzeSBqZXNzZSBqYW1lcw%3D%3D[/URL]

[B]How you like that boom boom pow?[/B][/QUOTE]In the words of Wile E Coyote: "Genius! Super Genius!" I might have to give this a try.

[QUOTE=Aimless;2983918]There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " Further, my randy 30 year old very experienced monger buddy that lives here in Bangkok with me has pulled three girls out of Wonderland recently and has clearly confirmed they were all real girls. If anyone has any high quality evidence to the contrary then I'd sure like to hear about it. Cheers! A.[/QUOTE]Interesting that when I asked politely and with a smile I was bruskly shooed away, waved off, my question ignored.

Of course, I can only go by the way it looked to my eyes without any up close and personal contact. So I could be proven wrong.

I would say for Thai girls the staff was notably taller, more big boned with whiter skin, more surgically-perfected facial features and much more "glamorous" in terms of hair and make-up than any group of Thai girls I have seen in any other bar. So they definitely had a more upscale "special" look going for them. Odd then that I have rarely seen more than a couple of customers sitting in Wonderland gogo bar any time I have passed by.

Now, I have seen ladyboy bars where there were several quite realistic looking ladyboys and even hot looking ones where I could definitely believe a newby to the scene who had more than a few brews in him could accept one as a natural born female without suspecting otherwise. Straps a few years back, the only time I went in there with a curious GF, being one of them. And I am not saying that describes the situation with you or your friend at all. In fact, I am sure it does not.

I am just saying as far as some ladyboys in openly admitted ladyboy bars really coming close to fooling me into accepting them as beautiful "females" goes, I have seen some too. But Wonderland did not come across to me as one of them.

It should be mentioned along the way, pertinent to Wonderland or not, that many post-op ladyboys do consider themselves fully female, will describe themselves as female and insist on it to whoever asks all the way down the line. Short of a spot DNA or Chromosome check or perhaps a verifiably accurate government issued Identification Card, there is little anyone just meeting them can do to prove otherwise except go by their appearance, voice, demeanor and so on. Assuming their surgically-constructed vagina is fairly close to what her / his partner has encountered with previous real female partners, that is.

[QUOTE=SamFromUS;2983889]Haven't found many posts on Eastern European / Russian / Ukranian girls in this thread or the main Bangkok.

Sounds like Covid did away with most of them, but anyone with knowledge mind sharing an update? I see a few escorts on eurogirls but interested if there are SWs by Nana and Soi, or legit agencies? Yes I know they cost more, but still interested.[/QUOTE]For russian girls you have to goto Pattaya or to be Lucky.

I made a review last April after a meeting with a russian FL at MIXX. But she was here temporarely. I will try again some club next time. But unless another one tells I am wrong, there are no eastern girls in Soi xx or Nana or else.

Maybe if you are Lucky with a tourist in Khao SR.

[QUOTE=Aimless;2983918]There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " Further, my randy 30 year old very experienced monger buddy that lives here in Bangkok with me has pulled three girls out of Wonderland recently and has clearly confirmed they were all real girls. If anyone has any high quality evidence to the contrary then I'd sure like to hear about it. Cheers! A.[/QUOTE]I've been in Nana Plaza 3 of the last 4 nights, each time briefly walking into Wonderland and each time pulling a genetic girl from a different bar. While in Wonderland, I saw about 80% who were clearly post-op ladyboys and 20% who were possibly genetic females. I'll be in Nana Plaza again tonight and we can meet for a brief visit to Wonderland. I'll show you who and why I think are ladyboys and you can tell me why you think they are genetic females. Thai hookers lie for a living, I won't believe them unless they decide to show their Thai ID. Send me a private message if you are interested.

This discussion reminds me of an encounter I had on Sukhumvit near Lek's Last Stand about 3 nights ago. I got chatting with a lady and wasn't sure if she was ladyboy or true lady. I asked and she said she is lady. I asked if she had pussy and she said "Yes, I bought and paid for pussy. It is mine," Never has it been clearer that post-op ladyboys consider themselves true females.

Some clues: Tall. Voice. Shoulder/hip ratio. Adams Apple. Exaggerated female motions (hip movement, hair toss). Aggressive. Arrogant. Huge fake tits.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2984067]I've been in Nana Plaza 3 of the last 4 nights, each time briefly walking into Wonderland and each time pulling a genetic girl from a different bar. While in Wonderland, I saw about 80% who were clearly post-op ladyboys and 20% who were possibly genetic females. I'll be in Nana Plaza again tonight and we can meet for a brief visit to Wonderland. I'll show you who and why I think are ladyboys and you can tell me why you think they are genetic females. Thai hookers lie for a living, I won't believe them unless they decide to show their Thai ID. Send me a private message if you are interested.

This discussion reminds me of an encounter I had on Sukhumvit near Lek's Last Stand about 3 nights ago. I got chatting with a lady and wasn't sure if she was ladyboy or true lady. I asked and she said she is lady. I asked if she had pussy and she said "Yes, I bought and paid for pussy. It is mine," Never has it been clearer that post-op ladyboys consider themselves true females.

Some clues: Tall. Voice. Shoulder/hip ratio. Adams Apple. Exaggerated female motions (hip movement, hair toss). Aggressive. Arrogant. Huge fake tits.[/QUOTE]I ran into this once myself in the Philippines. Couldn't tell through the filters on the app that this person was ladyboy, and he shows up and I'm like "nah, not interested. " This caused a huge uproar and a crying declaration that he was indeed a woman. How hard would it be to just mark transgender on the dating app and not create that huge fucking fiasco. Anyway, my solution on the dating apps was to send a very brash message of "Must look like your pictures, must be a real woman, no ladybody, must have a valid ID, or else no money. " Confrontational and direct language are not necessarily the strong suit of college aged women. So usually the response to it was just an "okay, no problem. " Instand drop off on positive vibes, and probably a little nervousness inducing on their part. I hated sending that message over and over again, but it felt necessary due to being forced to endure the delusion of another individual that one night. I can also imagine that such a situation could potentially lead to an explosive negative outcome for them with an individual who is not so understanding and level headed.

Only clue I can add: speaking in a mock voice / whisper level to hide their actual deep voice.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2983494]On Soi 4, Viets are usually out past 8 pm. They typically ask 2000. I tend to offer 1000-1500, which almost all will accept, although they prefer that you don't ask in front of their friends, since I guess 2000 is what they agreed to ask. The most common price I had them at was 1200, so 3500 is a huge lucky bonus for them.

Most ask you to pay first, and at 1000 I don't care to put up a fight about it, sets a bad tone for the session. About 1/3 give very basic service and are rushed, but about 2/3 do make some effort, and I do tip them 200-500 extra if deserved. At 3500 upfront, I imagine they would think they've already squeezed all they could, and are just eager to finish and move on.[/QUOTE]"Viets are usually out past 8 pm" what are Viets? Vietnamese?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2984067]I've been in Nana Plaza 3 of the last 4 nights, each time briefly walking into Wonderland and each time pulling a genetic girl from a different bar. While in Wonderland, I saw about 80% who were clearly post-op ladyboys and 20% who were possibly genetic females. I'll be in Nana Plaza again tonight and we can meet for a brief visit to Wonderland. I'll show you who and why I think are ladyboys and you can tell me why you think they are genetic females. Thai hookers lie for a living, I won't believe them unless they decide to show their Thai ID. Send me a private message if you are interested.

This discussion reminds me of an encounter I had on Sukhumvit near Lek's Last Stand about 3 nights ago. I got chatting with a lady and wasn't sure if she was ladyboy or true lady. I asked and she said she is lady. I asked if she had pussy and she said "Yes, I bought and paid for pussy. It is mine," Never has it been clearer that post-op ladyboys consider themselves true females.

Some clues: Tall. Voice. Shoulder/hip ratio. Adams Apple. Exaggerated female motions (hip movement, hair toss). Aggressive. Arrogant. Huge fake tits.[/QUOTE]I had, by my own count, 38 separate visits to Nana Plaza in the year 2024. After relaxing and smoking some weed and watching TV and sports in the beer bar, I would proceed to my destinations, every time, by using the escalator to the second floor where I would make my first rainbow stop. I thus walked past Wonderland 38 separate times, since it's on the way to the rainbows. On each occasion, the place was replete with ladyboys. Whether there are genetic girls in there or post Ops in their matters not, if there are ladyboys in the bar under my definition, it is a ladyboy bar and accordingly is off limits.

It seems to me, with my first visit to Thailand coming in 30 days, that all the controversy about the nature of the "staffs" (pun intended) at Wonderland just means I shouldn't bother going in there. There are dozens (perhaps hundreds?) of other places in Bangkok where adult entertainment can be found. Missing out on Wonderland won't amount to so much as a raindrop in the ocean to me.

But that's just me. I'll only have 4 days there to find my temporary true love (and as many others as I can) before I head to Pattaya to look for other disputed Ladyboy-status bars to avoid.

Thanks for all the great intel and insights on Bangkok, Gents! I'll do my best to use your advice wisely.

I walked over to Soi 24 and went to Snow White Massage. I selected an oil massage with Meya. I had a lineup of about 5 girls, so was kinda expecting more choices. We showered and the fun began. We started some very passionate DFK and then she began a very good BBBJ. She covered my up and rode me well and we switched it up to missionary where I came. And then she gave me the oil massage with her body. Overall a good GFE.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2984254]It seems to me, with my first visit to Thailand coming in 30 days, that all the controversy about the nature of the "staffs" (pun intended) at Wonderland just means I shouldn't bother going in there.[/QUOTE]I would agree that that is a valid approach for most men. My method of operation is to just walk around the top 2 levels of Nana Plaza and take a look inside many of the bars for 20 seconds each. Nothing wrong with ground level, I just havent had much personal success there. Don't even buy a drink until you find a bar that fits your fancy. Not to be missed are Billboards, Butterflies, and Geisha. There are a variety of smaller bars in corners and up stairways, you might find your favorite place is a bit hidden.

A couple nights ago I got pissed off at Bunny 5. While drinking my beer, a cute dancer was constantly eyeballing and smiling at me. I pointed to her and then to the empty seat next to me. The dancer signaled the waitress who brought me a laminated printed card that said to sit with a lady, the customers must purchase a minimum of 2 lady drinks at 220 baht each. That 2-drink minimum pissed me off so I paid the 165 baht for my beer and stood up to leave. The waitress protested my lack of tip, at which time I handed her the 2 drink minimum card and walked out. About 2 minutes later I was sitting in another Nana Plaza bar where I bought one beer and one lady drink. I also paid a bar fine and gave out a bunch of tips to staff and mamasan. I ended up leaving about 2000 baht in the other bar and spending another wad of cash with the girl who exited with me. That 2000 baht could have just as easily gone to Bunny 5, but they insisted that I commit to 2 lady drinks before I knew if my selected lady was my type.

I had heard rumors of such minimums, but this is the first time it was forced upon me.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2984279]The dancer signaled the waitress who brought me a laminated printed card that said to sit with a lady customers must purchase a minimum of 2 lady drinks at 220 baht each. That 2-drink minimum pissed me off so I paid the 165 baht for my beer and stood up to leave.
I had heard rumors of such minimums, but this is the first time it was forced upon me.[/QUOTE]That happened to me too, and I did the exact same thing. Left the bar right away and didn't look back.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2984279]

I pointed to her and then to the empty seat next to me. The dancer signaled the waitress who brought me a laminated printed card that said to sit with a lady, the customers must purchase a minimum of 2 lady drinks at 220 baht each.[/QUOTE]A fucking laminated card, that is dedication. In the past few months I've been in Baccara, Rainbow 4, Virgin, Pink Panther, Radio City, and King's Castle (yes I like Patpong). I wasn't asked for double lady drinks at all in Baccara, Rainbow 4, or Virgin. At Pink Panther, Radio City, and King's Castle the waitress or girl at each place asked "two drinks ok?" when ordering the first lady drink, to which I firmly said no, just one. They never asked again. That's how it should be (how it really should be is they don't ask for double lady drinks at all, but I think that ship has sailed). Ordering double lady drinks without the customer's permission or making 2 lady drinks required for the girl to even sit is unacceptable, in my opinion. They'll do it if enough people fall for it though.

Would like to know people who solely (or mostly) use Thai Friendly to monger. How is your experience overall? Do most of the times the pic you see on TF is quite different from what they actually look like? Do you notice they are not as clean as professional prostitutes as they are freelancers? In terms of purely sexual experience does it feel pleasurable? Anything in general that you'd like to share about your experiences with Thai friendly girls. Would appreciate response from people who use or have used thai friendly a lot.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2984288]Would like to know people who solely (or mostly) use Thai Friendly to monger. How is your experience overall? Do most of the times the pic you see on TF is quite different from what they actually look like? Do you notice they are not as clean as professional prostitutes as they are freelancers? In terms of purely sexual experience does it feel pleasurable? Anything in general that you'd like to share about your experiences with Thai friendly girls. Would appreciate response from people who use or have used thai friendly a lot.[/QUOTE]Read my reply from when you asked it four days ago. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2983333&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2983333.

[QUOTE=Safado70;2984280]That happened to me too, and I did the exact same thing. Left the bar right away and didn't look back.[/QUOTE]Went to Red Dragon at Nana the other night and mamasan quoted me "220 x 2" on her calculator for 15 minutes with a girl. I finished my drink and left, so I too downvote those prices with my feet and locked wallet. Since they are still using the 220 as base ladydrink price, maybe this high season pricing? Some mongers were partaking though. Cheers, A.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2984288]Would like to know people who solely (or mostly) use Thai Friendly to monger. How is your experience overall? Do most of the times the pic you see on TF is quite different from what they actually look like? Do you notice they are not as clean as professional prostitutes as they are freelancers? In terms of purely sexual experience does it feel pleasurable? Anything in general that you'd like to share about your experiences with Thai friendly girls. Would appreciate response from people who use or have used thai friendly a lot.[/QUOTE]Seems you have asked this question numerous times and are not satisfied with the answers in the Pattaya section and now ask here in the Bangkok section. Why not try the Thai Friendly thread? Scroll down to the lower part of the forum and you will see it. It’s full of people who use TF and comment about it.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2984206]I thus walked past Wonderland 38 separate times, since it's on the way to the rainbows. On each occasion, the place was replete with ladyboys. Whether there are genetic girls in there or post Ops in their matters not, if there are ladyboys in the bar under my definition, it is a ladyboy bar and accordingly is off limits.[/QUOTE]Given how the LBs working in that place are the very obvious one, I would bet the place does not employ a single real woman in their lineup.

A guy supposedly living in Bkk for 30 years who pulled three "women" there without noticing they were post-op LBs, I don't know what to say, except he probably found what he was really looking for.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2984279]The dancer signaled the waitress who brought me a laminated printed card that said to sit with a lady, the customers must purchase a minimum of 2 lady drinks at 220 baht each. [/QUOTE]If this happened to me at any bar I'd pull out my laminated card that says in Thai "2 drinks means you sit with me for 30 minutes with whatever variation of DFK, lap dance, HJ, and groping I want".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2984422]I need to pull out my laminated card that says in Thai "For 2 drinks means you sit with me for 30 minutes with whatever variation of DFK, lap dance, HJ, and groping I want".[/QUOTE]Love this idea. You could just do it in google translate. If you can negotiate in room services with a girl. BBBJ. CIM. Whatever. Why can't I explicitly state what you want for your two drinks. Mamasan will probably agree!

Btw. My favorite laminated card was at the RMar hotel in Phuket. When we registered they gave us this little card that said “If u bring back a lady to your room at night, she is not entitled to the free breakfast.” Hahaha we laughed so hard. They know their clientele!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2984422]If this happened to me at any bar I'd pull out my laminated card that says in Thai "2 drinks means you sit with me for 30 minutes with whatever variation of DFK, lap dance, HJ, and groping I want".[/QUOTE]I'm at the print shop now having my card made.

Last night at Bunny 5 I was aggressively approached outside and I said "I like to have 1 drink and then bar fine, your bar doesn't allow that." The girl immediately went to an older lady and complained.

[QUOTE=SamFromUS;2983889]Haven't found many posts on Eastern European / Russian / Ukranian girls in this thread or the main Bangkok.

Sounds like Covid did away with most of them, but anyone with knowledge mind sharing an update? I see a few escorts on eurogirls but interested if there are SWs by Nana and Soi, or legit agencies? Yes I know they cost more, but still interested.[/QUOTE]If anyone has anymore updates on this that would be great!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2984206]I thus walked past Wonderland 38 separate times, since it's on the way to the rainbows. On each occasion, the place was replete with ladyboys. Whether there are genetic girls in there or post Ops in their matters not, if there are ladyboys in the bar under my definition, it is a ladyboy bar and accordingly is off limits.[/QUOTE]Uh yeah. Who is searching through a pile of dicks to find a pussy? If my eyes see ladyboys then I immediately turn away. No need to say to myself there may be a real woman in the crowd amongst them, so keep looking.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2984498]If anyone has anymore updates on this that would be great![/QUOTE]Go to Mixx, and be prepared to pay 10 k. But if it's any consolation, the taxi / tuk-tuk ride to there should be free.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2984423] If u bring back a lady to your room at night, she is not entitled to the free breakfast. Hahaha we laughed so hard. They know their clientele![/QUOTE]That is pretty funny, but I wonder why she can't have it. The default at that hotel is 2 guests in a room. Since breakfast comes with the room, they owe you two each morning.

Because she's a working girl?

It's my first time back in Bangkok after 14 years, so I was interested to have a traditional Nuru massage again. Yesterday afternoon I went to Snow White, picked a quite tiny girl (don't remember the name at all) and into the room we went. She asked me to lie down on the bed and started to do a half ass sloppy massage. After a few minutes she grabbed the bottle with the gel and I stopped her and asked if we won't go to the air mattress to do the Nuru. She replied "sure, can", so we went on it.

I spare you the weak details, but basically she just did a boob job and that's it. After a few minutes she asked again if I wanted a blowjob, which was ok.

After too short time the girl picked up the condom, which at that time I did not even care anymore out of disappointment what should have been a classic body sliding Nuru massage. Fucked her for a few minutes and that's it. Cleaning, showering and off I went.

Today I went to Addict massage and they did not even offer Nuru. So it's just get in the room and have sex with the girl.

All in all, I'm quite disappointed by the offered services. Is there still any massage place that offers the real stuff? You know, a good body massage, followed by the sliding action?

Other than that, I went full TF, which seems quite promising nowadays. Hooked up with a non-pro / non-freelancer which turned out to be a real stunner that just turned 30.

We had a good night out drinking on a roof top bar close by, followed by hotel room action and she did not ask for any money. Sure, drinks and taxi back home were on me, but that's it.

Tomorrow (Saturday) I'm off to Manila for a week, before going back to Europe.

Keep up the good work!

Dw.

[QUOTE=Dewulf;2984560]It's my first time back in Bangkok after 14 years, so I was interested to have a traditional Nuru massage again. Yesterday afternoon I went to Snow White, picked a quite tiny girl (don't remember the name at all) and into the room we went. She asked me to lie down on the bed and started to do a half ass sloppy massage. After a few minutes she grabbed the bottle with the gel and I stopped her and asked if we won't go to the air mattress to do the Nuru. She replied "sure, can", so we went on it.

I spare you the weak details, but basically she just did a boob job and that's it. After a few minutes she asked again if I wanted a blowjob, which was ok.

After too short time the girl picked up the condom, which at that time I did not even care anymore out of disappointment what should have been a classic body sliding Nuru massage. Fucked her for a few minutes and that's it. Cleaning, showering and off I went.

Today I went to Addict massage and they did not even offer Nuru. So it's just get in the room and have sex with the girl.

All in all, I'm quite disappointed by the offered services. Is there still any massage place that offers the real stuff? You know, a good body massage, followed by the sliding action?

Dw.[/QUOTE]Sure you will be disappointed if you went to a massage shop that has just added Nuru to its menu, but doesn't actually train their girls how to provide a proper Nuru massage. If you want a real Nuru massage you have to go to one of the shops that specialize in Nuru. There are several in town, the established ones being Mitu / Soap, Doki Doki and Aries. Places like Snow White are good for many things, but not for Nuru.

[QUOTE=Dewulf;2984560]It's my first time back in Bangkok after 14 years, so I was interested to have a traditional Nuru massage again. Yesterday afternoon I went to Snow White, picked a quite tiny girl (don't remember the name at all) and into the room we went. She asked me to lie down on the bed and started to do a half ass sloppy massage. After a few minutes she grabbed the bottle with the gel and I stopped her and asked if we won't go to the air mattress to do the Nuru. She replied "sure, can", so we went on it.

I spare you the weak details, but basically she just did a boob job and that's it. After a few minutes she asked again if I wanted a blowjob, which was ok.

After too short time the girl picked up the condom, which at that time I did not even care anymore out of disappointment what should have been a classic body sliding Nuru massage. Fucked her for a few minutes and that's it. Cleaning, showering and off I went.

Today I went to Addict massage and they did not even offer Nuru. So it's just get in the room and have sex with the girl.

All in all, I'm quite disappointed by the offered services. Is there still any massage place that offers the real stuff? You know, a good body massage, followed by the sliding action?

Other than that, I went full TF, which seems quite promising nowadays. Hooked up with a non-pro / non-freelancer which turned out to be a real stunner that just turned 30.

We had a good night out drinking on a roof top bar close by, followed by hotel room action and she did not ask for any money. Sure, drinks and taxi back home were on me, but that's it.

Tomorrow (Saturday) I'm off to Manila for a week, before going back to Europe.

Keep up the good work!

Dw.[/QUOTE]My first experiences in BKK were soapies, meaning that the girl (s) lather up and slide in a cloud of soapy foam. I haven't seen it in a while, but I prefer nuru as it's optically better (no foam covering the lady) and much easier to play along as the nuru fluid doesn't have taste. So when the gel covered pussy comes sliding up your chest you can insert your stiff tounghe right there.

There are many good nurus in Bangkok. I've had success at kokoro, but I've noticed a few with nicer premises.

[QUOTE=Dewulf;2984560] All in all, I'm quite disappointed by the offered services. Is there still any massage place that offers the real stuff? You know, a good body massage, followed by the sliding action?

Other than that, I went full TF, which seems quite promising nowadays. Hooked up with a non-pro / non-freelancer which turned out to be a real stunner that just turned 30.

We had a good night out drinking on a roof top bar close by, followed by hotel room action and she did not ask for any money. Sure, drinks and taxi back home were on me, but that's it.

Tomorrow (Saturday) I'm off to Manila for a week, before going back to Europe.

Keep up the good work!.[/QUOTE]That's some disappointing nonsense at the massage places. I'm taking the advice to go to the 1-3 that specialize in it noted in thread answering your question. But my hat is off to you. Hooking up with non-pro and fucking her on first date in Thailand is to me a rarity. But I'm glad TF worked well. Last year for me it was a bust trying to meet non FLs who would actually fuck. All wanted assurances of boyfriend, relationship etc. While I tried to offer those assurances (lying of course) but a 4 day trip for a farang is a dead giveaway. I had to ditch the strategy otherwise I would have wasted the entire 4 days fucking around and not having sex.

[QUOTE=Aimless;2984315]Went to Red Dragon at Nana the other night and mamasan quoted me "220 x 2" on her calculator for 15 minutes with a girl. I finished my drink and left, so I too downvote those prices with my feet and locked wallet. Since they are still using the 220 as base ladydrink price, maybe this high season pricing? Some mongers were partaking though. Cheers, A.[/QUOTE]Barfined from red dragon once, and went there 3-4 other times without seeing anyone I like (so can't really agree it's full of 8+ girls). Can't remember the details, but for sure I did not pay 220 x 2. Possibly they tried the "two drink" hustle, and I told them "one drink only", which was fine. Some other places also tried the same, but I've never had anyone object to me saying "one drink only". Some bars try stuff, either on everyone, or on anyone they think will fall for it, but if you know what the score is thanks to isg, you can just tell them.

Same for st / LT-prices. Girls try it on, and if you don't know any better, you might pay it. Read the forum and see what the price should be, then just tell them. If they try to hustle you chances are much higher you'll just pay the proper price if you know it, rather than having to go home alone.

Is it worth it to get 2 girls at a massage parlor or at a BJ-bar? How is the experience? Where can I get the best PSE with 2 girls in Bangkok? Thanks.

[QUOTE=UncleSam2040;2984638]Is it worth it to get 2 girls at a massage parlor or at a BJ-bar? How is the experience? Where can I get the best PSE with 2 girls in Bangkok? Thanks.[/QUOTE]No it's not worth it.

Pse with two girls? I say 10000 B minimum.

[QUOTE=UncleSam2040;2984638]Is it worth it to get 2 girls at a massage parlor or at a BJ-bar? How is the experience? Where can I get the best PSE with 2 girls in Bangkok? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Worth it? Well try 60 or 90 min. With one starting at time = X. And say you booked a 90 min session, have your second girl come to the soirée at time X+45 min. And of course girl #1 exits after 90 min. Then you have girl #2 alone for another 45 min.

All depends on your stamina and # of shots you are looking for, and you can get a 3-some experience to boot. Just make sure you have 135 min to spare. 555.

I have noticed during my last two sessions that these ladies are looking at their phones and social media during massages when we are face down and they think we are not looking. I get it that they are bored and they do have a shit job, but this leads to lame duck one hand massages obviously and ruins the session that we have paid for after all.

What approaches should one adopt when we see this in order for the whole session not to become a waste of time and money.

Thanks.

As the title says. Thinking of spending 3 dats in Bang Saen. Anybody have any recommendations for a one way trip.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2984602]That's some disappointing nonsense at the massage places. I'm taking the advice to go to the 1-3 that specialize in it noted in thread answering your question.[/QUOTE]It's a nonsense only for newbies. The word "massage" in these shops names is just a cover to not openly advertise as a brothel. I would estimate not even 10% of the girls working in these places know how to give a good massage, followed by a good transition to the sex part. The massage is either there to waste time or be used as a cover only. Never ever take the Nuru option in these places, Nuru seems to be properly done only in very few places (Mitu, Dokidoki and Aries it seems). In every other places, it is available at a higher price but it is pure bullshit. None of these girls have been trained to give these kind of massage. As a general rule, always take the cheapest option available in these places (depending on the duration you chose), because you're just paying more and getting nothing in return once in the room. These places are basically a place you go to smash a girl and then move on. These two places cited in the post you quoted are good places, but the OP was expecting something they usually don't do.

[QUOTE=UncleSam2040;2984638]Is it worth it to get 2 girls at a massage parlor or at a BJ-bar? How is the experience? Where can I get the best PSE with 2 girls in Bangkok? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I tried it at 7th Heaven. Very disappointing with the 2 girls taking it in turns to give you blow job. The whistle goes at half time and they change ends. Nothing like the porn films you see on TV.

[QUOTE=UncleSam2040;2984638]Is it worth it to get 2 girls at a massage parlor or at a BJ-bar? How is the experience? Where can I get the best PSE with 2 girls in Bangkok? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2984795]I tried it at 7th Heaven. Very disappointing with the 2 girls taking it in turns to give you blow job. The whistle goes at half time and they change ends. Nothing like the porn films you see on TV.[/QUOTE]First of all, go to read and post in the Bangkok Massage Parlors-Except Tulip and Annie's section. That might be the best place to ask questions about Bangkok massage parlors. When you are reading it, you will notice posts from the present dating back at least 10 years talking about a place called Tulip massage. After reading, then just get your asses over there lol.

So, update on my trip. Bangkok is the shit, and I still have a couple weeks to go, glorious. Here are some experiences and overall thoughts that I will try and break it up into a somewhat logical flow.

There are definitely freelancer cuties hanging out on Soi 4, no doubt about it. It is definitely worth strolling though here as part of a "loop" if you're into picking up women this way. I don't drink anymore which kind of ruins the whole chilling out / "lady drink" experience, so I haven't even tried it. I kind of lament this, back in my 20's I would have posted up with a pack of reds and killed 8-10 bruskees a night, but oh well. But after multiple, multiple trips through Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, a lot of what I am seeing is dark skinned 5's and 6's that are tattooed and look a bit rough by my standards at least, you know, being sober and all. I love to walk to keep thin, and as someone else put it, if you walk a specific loop in Sukhumvit, you are "guaranteed to find a yummy!" Two birds, one stone, also one bird full of batter by the end of the night, haha.

The first one I pulled, stands out a bit, so wouldn't be surprised if any one of you could still track her down for a go. Chinese, maybe 5'6", 120 pounds, victoryias secret body, big eyes, short black hair, 7 face, 8 body, light white skin. The only negative thing I could say about her, is the reveal of implants when the clothes came off, I hate implants, they look like salad bowls bolted onto a body. She should have just stuck with what I assume were previously tiny b's, instead of "upgrading" to large see's. Anyway, I stole a page out of one of your books and decided to do the negotiating on the way back to the hotel, to kind of create a "pot committed" situation. I offered 3 K, which she just nodded okay to. The session was fine, nothing special on her part as far as service is concerned, but she was hot enough that I didn't care much. The price however doubled when it came time for the no "hat" discussion. There was a long pause on her part, and you could tell she was internally debating on whether on not she was even going to consider it, and she said 6 K, which kind of took me by surprise. But it made me feel like, whether there's a shred of truth to this inclination or not, that she doesn't do this with every single guy she goes with, or at least she filters to some degree. I'm not super concerned about that, I'm willing to roll the dice here and there and accept the consequences, because a life without "real sex" doesn't really seem like living to me at all. Anyway, after a couple of hours she left and that was that. Between Soi 15 & Soi 23 is where I found her. I have seen her standing out there other nights as well.

Now, before someone rushes in to tell me what a bozo I am for paying that much. Realize that I don't give a fuck, and that collusion and price fixing are essentially the motto of dipshit communist countries. I think what I got was well worth it, but hell, of course I would always like to pay less, and maybe I will next time, and maybe I won't. I find that negotiating a girl down doesn't always lead to the best service. So when a woman overquotes me, I usually just walk away instead of haggling. It's actually funny to me when people talk about "stupid tourists" or whatever coming in and messing up the price for everybody else. I just assume that purchasing power parity is an overly advanced concept for them. Anyway, having a blast here and will report back with more!

[QUOTE=Interstella;2984813]So, update on my trip. Bangkok is the shit, and I still have a couple weeks to go, glorious. Here are some experiences and overall thoughts that I will try and break it up into a somewhat logical flow.

There are definitely freelancer cuties hanging out on Soi 4, no doubt about it. It is definitely worth strolling though here as part of a "loop" if you're into picking up women this way. I don't drink anymore which kind of ruins the whole chilling out / "lady drink" experience, so I haven't even tried it. I kind of lament this, back in my 20's I would have posted up with a pack of reds and killed 8-10 bruskees a night, but oh well. But after multiple, multiple trips through Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, a lot of what I am seeing is dark skinned 5's and 6's that are tattooed and look a bit rough by my standards at least, you know, being sober and all. I love to walk to keep thin, and as someone else put it, if you walk a specific loop in Sukhumvit, you are "guaranteed to find a yummy!" Two birds, one stone, also one bird full of batter by the end of the night, haha.

The first one I pulled, stands out a bit, so wouldn't be surprised if any one of you could still track her down for a go. Chinese, maybe 5'6", 120 pounds, victoryias secret body, big eyes, short black hair, 7 face, 8 body, light white skin. The only negative thing I could say about her, is the reveal of implants when the clothes came off, I hate implants, they look like salad bowls bolted onto a body. She should have just stuck with what I assume were previously tiny b's, instead of "upgrading" to large see's. Anyway, I stole a page out of one of your books and decided to do the negotiating on the way back to the hotel, to kind of create a "pot committed" situation. I offered 3 K, which she just nodded okay to. The session was fine, nothing special on her part as far as service is concerned, but she was hot enough that I didn't care much. The price however doubled when it came time for the no "hat" discussion. There was a long pause on her part, and you could tell she was internally debating on whether on not she was even going to consider it, and she said 6 K, which kind of took me by surprise. But it made me feel like, whether there's a shred of truth to this inclination or not, that she doesn't do this with every single guy she goes with, or at least she filters to some degree. I'm not super concerned about that, I'm willing to roll the dice here and there and accept the consequences, because a life without "real sex" doesn't really seem like living to me at all. Anyway, after a couple of hours she left and that was that. Between Soi 15 & Soi 23 is where I found her. I have seen her standing out there other nights as well.

Now, before someone rushes in to tell me what a bozo I am for paying that much. Realize that I don't give a fuck, and that collusion and price fixing are essentially the motto of dipshit communist countries. I think what I got was well worth it, but hell, of course I would always like to pay less, and maybe I will next time, and maybe I won't. I find that negotiating a girl down doesn't always lead to the best service. So when a woman overquotes me, I usually just walk away instead of haggling. It's actually funny to me when people talk about "stupid tourists" or whatever coming in and messing up the price for everybody else. I just assume that purchasing power parity is an overly advanced concept for them. Anyway, having a blast here and will report back with more![/QUOTE]It's refreshing to read this. You came and you paid what you wanted even though you knew it was over the market price, but you did it because you can. If you know what you want, just go and get it without worrying about what the price police say. Bangkok can be just as much fun as Pattaya even though it's more expensive. I'm not a tourist and I could give a rats ass about what another punter pays. Keep enjoying your time and keep posting. Check out Crazy House mate. If you don't have to worry about a budget so much, you will love it! Then for a more upscale atmosphere check out Flamingo. There are some normal girls there and freelancers so just keep your head about you and your will have a blast. Then also go into levels.

Before I get started: The Pimp in Bangkok is very different from the gentlemens clubs in Pattaya, both in atmosphere and how the girls interact. In Pattaya, clubs tend to be more relaxed, with a focus on immediate intimacy girls are often more forward, and bar fines are openly discussed. The Pimp, on the other hand, operates more like an upscale VIP party lounge, where the focus is on drinking, socializing, and having fun with beautiful hostesses rather than outright negotiations. While flirting, lap-sitting, and light touching are common inside, its not a gogo bar where girls can be taken out easily. Any after-hours arrangements are more discreet and depend on the girls interest, rather than a set bar fine system. The experience at The Pimp is more about creating a high-end, playful party vibe rather than instant gratification.


The Pimp Club is one of Bangkok's most high-end and well-known gentlemen's clubs. It's a mix of a party lounge and a VIP club, where men can enjoy private rooms, premium drinks, and the company of attractive Thai hostesses. The club is known for its lively atmosphere, good music, and a reputation for being one of the top spots for entertainment of this kind in Bangkok.

Getting There.

The Pimp is located in Town in Town, which is slightly outside central Bangkok. Since it's not near a BTS or MRT station, here are the best ways to reach it:

Bolt or Grab Taxi: The most convenient option. Just enter "The Pimp Bangkok" as your destination. Expect to pay 150-300 THB depending on traffic and starting location.

BTS Yellow Line: Get off at Lat Phrao Station, then take a short taxi or Bolt (10-15 minutes).

MRT Blue Line: Get off at Lat Phrao MRT Station and grab a taxi from there.

Airport Rail Link: The closest station is Ramkhamhaeng, but you'll need a taxi from there (15-20 minutes).

Motorbike Taxi: If you're coming from a nearby area, this can be a faster option in traffic.

Tip: Since Town in Town isn't a tourist area, some taxi drivers may try to overcharge. Use Grab or Bolt for a fair price.

Pricing System & Budgeting.

Unlike standard bars or gogo clubs, The Pimp operates on a bottle-service system, meaning you need to buy a bottle of alcohol to get a table and enjoy the company of girls.

Basic Costs:

Entry: Free, but a bottle purchase is required for a table.

Bottles: Start from 4,000-5,000 THB (whiskey, vodka, gin, etc.). Higher-end bottles go up to 30,000+ THB. You can prepay for a membership that can be used over a period of time, which include bottles and bottles can be stored.! You can also buy sets with alcohol and snack foods and some other Thai food and western style snacks.

Mixers: Usually included.

Hostesses:

Per drink: 300-500 THB per lady per drink.

Sitting Fee: 1,500- 2,500 THB per girl to stay with you for the night.

Lady drinks rack up fast, so keep track if you're on a budget.

VIP & Private Rooms:

For more privacy and a better experience:

Small VIP Room: 10,000- 15,000 THB minimum spend.

Large VIP Room: 30,000+ THB minimum spend.

Budget Suggestion:

Minimum for a good experience: 6,000- 10,000 THB.

VIP night with 2-3 girls: 15,000+ THB.

High-roller experience: 30,000+ THB for a private room and top-tier girls.

The Girls & Hostess Quality.

Pimp is known for high-end girls, many of whom are above average in looks compared to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy bars.

Girl Quality & Categories:

1. Regular Hostesses (Standard Tier): Cute, friendly, and flirty. Usually mid-tier looks.

2. Top-tier Girls: Models, influencers, and Instagram-type girls. Expect a higher sitting fee and more expensive drinks.

3. University Girls: Many work part-time to fund their education. Often shy at first but warm up quickly.

Most girls are in their early to mid-20's, with a few younger or older ones mixed in. They dress elegantly, and unlike gogo bars, they aren't dancing on poles it's more about companionship and the vibe. However, there is live music and many of the top tier girls are dancing on stage doing sexy shows.

The Naughty Factor: How Wild Can It Get?

Inside the Club:

The Pimp isn't a gogo bar, but it's not just a drinking club either it's a hybrid.

Some light touching and flirting are common, but the club has an elegant atmosphere.

If you book a VIP room, you'll get more privacy, and things can get wilder inside.

After the Club:

Taking a girl out ("Freelance Option") depends on the girl. Some will, some won't.

Negotiations are not openly done in the club, but girls will hint at their availability.

Usual Costs: Expect 5,000- 10,000+ THB if a girl agrees to go with you after the club.

Final Tips for a Great Experience.

✔ Go with a group if possible it makes the party vibe better and costs can be split.

✔ Pick your bottle wisely some are much better value than others.

✔ Be clear with the mamasan (hostess manager) about what kind of girls you prefer.

✔ Don't overspend too fast lady drinks add up, and so do hostess sitting fees.

✔ Use VIP rooms for more fun better privacy and control over the atmosphere.

✔ Be respectful to the girls many are working to support themselves through school.

✔ If a girl likes you, you'll know the best connections happen naturally.

Final Verdict.

The Pimp is one of Bangkok's best high-end gentlemen's clubs, offering a premium experience, great-looking girls, and a stylish environment. It's not the cheapest place, but if you have the budget and know how to navigate the pricing, it can be a fantastic night out.

Would I recommend it? Yes, if you're looking for a classy but fun night in Bangkok with top-tier hostesses.

How to Dress.

While The Pimp is a fun and lively venue, it also has a high-end and stylish atmosphere, so dressing well will enhance your experience and help you make a better impression.

Dress Code Basics.

The Pimp is not a nightclub with a strict dress code, but it is an upscale gentlemen's club. Aim for a smart-casual to semi-formal look to blend in with the VIP vibe.

What to Wear (Recommended Outfits for Men).

✔ Smart Casual (Minimum Standard).

Polo shirt or button-down shirt.

Dark jeans or well-fitted chinos.

Loafers, clean sneakers, or dress shoes.

✔ Semi-Formal / VIP Look (Best for a Great Impression).

Fitted button-down shirt (long or short sleeve).

Slim-fit trousers or dark-colored jeans.

Blazer or stylish jacket (optional but looks great).

Leather dress shoes, loafers, or stylish sneakers.

✔ High-Roller Look (If You Want to Stand Out).

Designer or well-fitted dress shirt.

Tailored blazer or suit jacket.

High-end jeans or dress pants.

Luxury loafers or dress shoes.

What to Avoid (Don't Wear This).

✔ Flip-flops or sandals Not allowed for men.

✔ Tank tops, gym wear, or sleeveless shirts.

✔ Ripped or baggy jeans, sweatpants, or cargo pants.

✔ Dirty, old sneakers or cheap plastic sandals.

✔ Overly flashy or loud outfits (you want to look classy, not tacky).

Tip: If you're coming from a casual outing and wearing shorts or sandals, bring a change of clothes, or you might be denied entry.

Why Dressing Well Matters.

The girls take you more seriously Well-dressed men attract better attention.

Helps you blend into the VIP environment Looking the part improves your overall experience.

More respect from the staff The club caters to high-end clientele, and looking sharp gets you better service.

Confidence boost Dressing well puts you in the right mindset to enjoy the night.

Final Advice.

If in doubt, dress slightly better than you think you need to. A nice shirt, dark jeans, and good shoes will always work. You don't need a full suit, but looking clean, stylish, and put-together will ensure you have the best experience at The Pimp.

Pictures of some of the girls are attached. I had a great night with one but wont tell which one it was.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2984602]But my hat is off to you. Hooking up with non-pro and fucking her on first date in Thailand is to me a rarity. But I'm glad TF worked well. Last year for me it was a bust trying to meet non FLs who would actually fuck. All wanted assurances of boyfriend, relationship etc. While I tried to offer those assurances (lying of course) but a 4 day trip for a farang is a dead giveaway. I had to ditch the strategy otherwise I would have wasted the entire 4 days fucking around and not having sex.[/QUOTE]Maybe try to stop lying and see if that improves things for you. There are many guys here banging normal Thai girls after a cup of coffee and nothing more. Not even a little lie. Maybe the girls can feel you're lying. With dishonesty being a pretty big turn-off to a lot of people, it may even be some of the reason they're not keen on jumping out of their skirt for you.

Remember the 9th commandment: thou shall not lie.

To go along with my below newbie guide, here is an older post that will give you a good idea about what to expect here. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2924807]Back in March, the club had a great promotion so I decided to go for it. You can store the bottles in this promotion and drink them until you finish on future visits. Last week I made a plan to go in on a Saturday night to finish off the last two bottles from my promotion, stopping off at my favorite cigar shop on the way for 2 Romeo and Juliettes. Arrived just after 9 PM to my pre booked table. As always, the Momason brings me a huge line up of ladies. I typically choose 4 to drink with me for the first hour, Then I delete 2 after the first hour. After that I delete one more and the remaining one I will take home.

The fist hour costs me 1500=2500 baht per lady depending on their category. This night, I chose two 1500 Baht ladies, one 2000 baht lady and one 2500 Baht lady. So, the first hour cost me 7500 Baht. Each additional hour is 500-1000 depending on the category. The girls just drink from your bottles. Plus I ordered a set of fruits and snacks plus a tray of tequila.

Basically, on this night we would play drinking games, the girls would give me lap dances and I would finger them. They would get topless but not fully naked. You can close a curtain around some VIP booths. This time, I was given a VIP Karaoke room. They don't allow sex in this club but I was able to get away with a quick BJ for just a few minutes.

The girls here are really hot and their style is geared towards Asian clientele. Rich Thais, Koreans, and Japanese. Most of the ladies have white skin. I always get really drunk in this place and this night was no exception. After letting 3 out of the four ladies go, I was left with my chosen one for take out. One hour before the club closed, she was allowed to leave and off to my condo we went. We were both smashed.

After a brief shower, I was eager to lick pussy. When I am drunk, I love to do this. I must have been down there for an hour. She was going nuts. After that, I could not take it anymore and proceeded to fuck her in mish. Her silky white upper thighs and ass made me want to cream and that I did. Deep inside that pussy. She just had me so excited and I just continued fucking her. After she got on top and rode me for about 20 minutes until I flipped her over into doggy and finished again deep inside her pussy. Great session. I managed to find a photo of her on their Facebook for your viewing pleasure.

Damage for this night. Rounded up.

2 cigars=2400 baht.

1st hour= 7500 Baht.

2nd hour= 2500 baht.

3rd hour=800 Baht.

Snacks and fruit=1000 Baht.

Try of tequilas = 1500 baht.

The girl=10,000 baht LT.

Total=25,700 Baht approx from my foggy memory.

Then I had the 5 bottle package with two bottles left.

22,000 baht 5 bottle package paid in advance before. So, if you want to average that out to add the cost of two bottles into the night, be my guest. I'm lazy now to do that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Axel Heyst;2932264]Thanks for the post ET. IMHO the Pimp Club is worth checking out for well healed punters interested in top quality girls and a fun night of entertainment. A night at the Pimp is expensive all right and that is a huge negative for some. To save a little $$$ it is best to come with a pal to share the club's fixed costs.

Question: You write, "After that I delete one more (girls) and the remaining one I will take home" which implies that all Pimp girls are available for takeout. " I was under the impression that many Pimp girls do not go home with customers the 1st night and that the best you can get from these girls first time you meet them in the club is their Line number to arrange a rendezvous later. Has the game changed since I was last there pre-Covid? Or did you ask the mamasan to only bring girls to your table that are available for take out?[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the late reply. I forgot I started a user blog and I didn’t see your question. I will answer in the Bangkok thread for you to compliment this post and the newbie guide I posted below.


I have a girl there who always takes care of me so she knows what girls I like. Before I come in I call her and she arranges the line up for me to choose in line. I choose and then when I arrive, they are there waiting for me. I usually choose two or three. Then narrow it down to my choice at the end of the night. All the girls know this in advance and are cool with it. I choose the one I most vibe with and the other one or two are happy to of had the fun and drinking.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2984878]Maybe try to stop lying and see if that improves things for you. There are many guys here banging normal Thai girls after a cup of coffee and nothing more. Not even a little lie. Maybe the girls can feel you're lying. With dishonesty being a pretty big turn-off to a lot of people, it may even be some of the reason they're not keen on jumping out of their skirt for you.[/QUOTE]My girlfriend picks my dirty clothes up to wash and iron them and always has them back within 2 hours. No idea how. She said she wants me to look good when I am out butterflying. She seems surprised when I am not with another chick. The other day she asked who keeps leaving those short hairs in my room.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2984878]Maybe try to stop lying and see if that improves things for you. There are many guys here banging normal Thai girls after a cup of coffee and nothing more. Not even a little lie. Maybe the girls can feel you're lying. With dishonesty being a pretty big turn-off to a lot of people, it may even be some of the reason they're not keen on jumping out of their skirt for you.

Remember the 9th commandment: thou shall not lie.[/QUOTE]What do these girls who have Sex for the price of a coffee look like?

Asking for a Friend.

Will be reporting from Rainbows for a week. You all excited.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2984813]So, update on my trip. Bangkok is the shit, and I still have a couple weeks to go, glorious. Here are some experiences and overall thoughts that I will try and break it up into a somewhat logical flow.

There are definitely freelancer cuties hanging out on Soi 4, no doubt about it. It is definitely worth strolling though here as part of a "loop" if you're into picking up women this way. I don't drink anymore which kind of ruins the whole chilling out / "lady drink" experience, so I haven't even tried it. I kind of lament this, back in my 20's I would have posted up with a pack of reds and killed 8-10 bruskees a night, but oh well. But after multiple, multiple trips through Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, a lot of what I am seeing is dark skinned 5's and 6's that are tattooed and look a bit rough by my standards at least, you know, being sober and all. I love to walk to keep thin, and as someone else put it, if you walk a specific loop in Sukhumvit, you are "guaranteed to find a yummy!" Two birds, one stone, also one bird full of batter by the end of the night, haha.

The first one I pulled, stands out a bit, so wouldn't be surprised if any one of you could still track her down for a go. Chinese, maybe 5'6", 120 pounds, victoryias secret body, big eyes, short black hair, 7 face, 8 body, light white skin. The only negative thing I could say about her, is the reveal of implants when the clothes came off, I hate implants, they look like salad bowls bolted onto a body. She should have just stuck with what I assume were previously tiny b's, instead of "upgrading" to large see's. Anyway, I stole a page out of one of your books and decided to do the negotiating on the way back to the hotel, to kind of create a "pot committed" situation. I offered 3 K, which she just nodded okay to. The session was fine, nothing special on her part as far as service is concerned, but she was hot enough that I didn't care much..[/QUOTE]Negotiate 3,000 for a Street Walker doesn't make any sense. Is she going to say my usual is 1,000?

Then you say ok I give you 4,000.

Help me out here. LOL.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2984887]To go along with my below newbie guide, here is an older post that will give you a good idea about what to expect here. Enjoy.





Sorry for the late reply. I forgot I started a user blog and I didnt see your question. I will answer in the Bangkok thread for you to compliment this post and the newbie guide I posted below.


I have a girl there who always takes care of me so she knows what girls I like. Before I come in I call her and she arranges the line up for me to choose in line. I choose and then when I arrive, they are there waiting for me. I usually choose two or three. Then narrow it down to my choice at the end of the night. All the girls know this in advance and are cool with it. I choose the one I most vibe with and the other one or two are happy to of had the fun and drinking.[/QUOTE]Funny stuff. Imagine dressing up and paying that much money to play grabass with some mediocre chubby women, who might not even fuck you at the end of the night. Who is this for? Serious question. What type of man is this for? I have never met them.

Are there any other places like The Pimp or La Belle? It's great and all but so far away from Soi 11.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2984848]It's refreshing to read this...[/QUOTE]Thanks, EverythingThai! I am definitely going to hit up those spots before I make my exit. I'm also committed to making this a yearly trip.

So, I'd figure I would kind of test the waters here about negotiating tactics with women. For example, I remember my bud telling me about this business meeting / client meeting where he was given a list of 6 things he needed to walk away with in the final agreement. His employed tactic was to create 12 bullshit requests, and add that to the 6 requests that he actually needed. After hours of "deliberation" he walked way getting the 6 things he needed to accomplish, and the other side felt like they had driven a hard bargain by defeating 12 of his "other" requests. I would have never came up with this on my own.

Now with women, I'm considering a different approach in Thermae. I'm going to offer right off the bat the high average that I hear they are asking for, from one of the one's that smiles and makes eye contact with me. Korean Ice-Queens need not apply. Anyway, my tactic is just going to be to offer that, and then start heading to the hotel. No discussion of time, or specific requests. I am then going to maintain a hard stance of only payment after, and if I don't get what I want, (not asking for anything crazy here, just boiler plate sex) "here's 500 baht for your troubles and there's the door. " Spoiler alert, I'm not the nicest guy you've ever met, haha. Anyway, I feel like this could work, and who knows, maybe it will all go off without a hitch!

I just wanted to further compare notes on tactics for getting what you want as painlessly and carefree as possible with the available talent.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2984907]My girlfriend picks my dirty clothes up to wash and iron them and always has them back within 2 hours. No idea how. She said she wants me to look good when I am out butterflying. She seems surprised when I am not with another chick. The other day she asked who keeps leaving those short hairs in my room.[/QUOTE]The way they talk drives me insane. I've been here for a week and I'm already losing my mind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2984907]My girlfriend picks my dirty clothes up to wash and iron them and always has them back within 2 hours. No idea how. She said she wants me to look good when I am out butterflying. She seems surprised when I am not with another chick. The other day she asked who keeps leaving those short hairs in my room.[/QUOTE]Well, that's a bit unusual I think. I've always been honest with girlfriends (both in Thailand and farangland) from the start about my "butterflying" (and after saying that once I don't want to talk about it again, as nothing good ever comes from it), but from their side it has always been a "don't show me / don't let me know / please lie perfectly to me"-thing. Does Mint have a sister?

Thermae Café, located in the heart of Sukhumvit, is a legendary late-night hangout that has been around since the Vietnam War era. It's not a typical café, it's more of a meeting place for freelancers (working girls) and customers. If you're new to Bangkok nightlife, this guide will help you navigate the scene smoothly.

Location & How to Get There.

• Address: Thermae Café, Sukhumvit Road, between Soi 13 and Soi 15 (underneath the Ruamchitt Hotel).

• Nearest BTS Station: Nana (BTS) – a short walk from Exit 3.

• Opening Hours: Usually from 8:00 PM – 4:00 AM, but peak time is after midnight.

What to Expect.

• The place is not a brothel but a social venue where freelancers gather to meet potential clients.

• The setup is casual with a bar, tables, and seating areas where ladies wait for customers.

• The crowd is a mix of tourists, and expats.

Basic Etiquette & Dos and Don'ts.

Dos.

✔ Order a drink – You need to buy at least one drink to get inside. Prices are reasonable.

✔ Be polite and respectful – Treat everyone with basic respect. No need to be aggressive.

✔ Take your time – No pressure to make a decision immediately. You can chat with multiple people before choosing.

✔ Negotiate discreetly – If you're looking for company, discuss expectations clearly but quietly.

Don'ts.

✖ Don't take pictures or record videos – Privacy is a big deal here.

✖ Don't be rude or disrespectful – No touching or harassing people without consent.

✖ Don't act like a first-time tourist – If you're new, observe first before making a move.

✖ Don't get too drunk – Stay in control; this isn't a nightclub.

Pricing & Negotiation.

• Standard rates for short-time companionship usually range from 2,500 to 5,000+ THB, depending on the girl. I have been able to get BBFS CIP here often by just offering an extra payment.

• Japanese and Korean customers often pay higher (closer to 4,000-5,000 THB) without haggling.

• Westerners may get quoted a higher price as a way to discourage them.

• Don't ever pay upfront.

• If she insists on crazy prices (like 7,000+ THB), just walk away – plenty of other options.

Short-Time Hotel Option.

If you don't have a place to go, there's a short-time hotel conveniently located upstairs in Ruamchitt Hotel.

• Rates are around 500-800 THB for a few hours.

• It's discreet, clean, and easy to access without hassle.

• Some girls might suggest a different hotel, but Ruamchitt is the most straightforward choice.

Be Careful Outside: The Ladyboy Factor.

As you leave Thermae, especially later at night, you'll notice many ladyboys waiting outside the entrance or nearby alleys.

• Some are upfront about it, but some might try to pass as women.

• If you're unsure, check the voice, hands, check for an Adam's Apple, mannerisms and height.

• If ladyboys aren't your thing, be polite and walk away.

The Challenge: Why Thermae Girls Prefer Asian Men, Especially Japanese.

Thermae has a long-standing Japanese connection, and many of the girls here specifically prefer Japanese, Korean, or Chinese clients.

• Japanese men have been regulars for decades, and the girls often speak basic Japanese.

• Western men may find it harder to get attention compared to Asian tourists.

• Some girls might reject non-Asian customers outright, or only go for them as a last resort. They often quote higher prices to westerners to discourage them from choosing them.

Why Do They Prefer Asian Men?

1. Less Talking, More Action – Asian guys don't spend time discussing details or making the girl follow a specific "script" in the bedroom. They get to the point.

2. Politeness & Discretion – They keep things simple and don't ask too many unnecessary questions.

3. The "4-4-4 Rule" – This is the inside joke among the girls:

"4 CM, 4 Minutes, 4000 Baht – Perfect!

• 4 CM – Japanese guys are known for having smaller packages.

• 4 Minutes – They finish faster than Western men.

• 4000 Baht – They pay more without negotiating too hard.

• Bottom line? More money, less effort.

This place can feel like a candy shop for newbies, especially first-timers who have never seen anything like it. The dimly lit space is packed with beautiful women, all dressed to impress, casually waiting for the right offer. Unlike bars or clubs where you have to work for attention, here, it's the opposite—the moment you step inside, eyes are on you, and choices are everywhere. But just like in a candy shop, not every treat is for you. Some girls have preferences, some will be out of your price range, and some might be a little too eager to seal the deal. The key is to pace yourself, observe the dynamics, and not rush into the first offer that comes your way. With the right mindset, Thermae can be an exciting and unforgettable dive into Bangkok's legendary nightlife.

Last time I was in BKK, I strolled through Thaniya Road—just to have a look, not expecting much, since everything I had read and heard suggested that westerners aren't really considered there.

Contrary to what I had learned, I was actually stopped by some mamasans, who invited me to choose one or more girls and have some fun singing and partying with them. I politely declined, knowing that these places are typically not for western guys. I was also wary of just spending money on drinks, the room, and the girls' time without it leading to what I actually visit BKK for.

However, someone told me that some of those bars do cater to westerners, and that if the girls like you—and most of the time they do —they may also be open to spending the night with you, either ST or LT.

Anyone have experiences to share?

Thanks.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2985038]Thermae Caf, located in the heart of Sukhumvit, is a legendary late-night hangout that has been around since the Vietnam War era. It's not a typical caf, it's more of a meeting place for freelancers (working girls) and customers. If you're new to Bangkok nightlife, this guide will help you navigate the scene smoothly.

Location & How to Get There.

Address: Thermae Caf, Sukhumvit Road, between Soi 13 and Soi 15 (underneath the Ruamchitt Hotel)..[/QUOTE]Absurdly overpriced!

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2984878]Maybe try to stop lying and see if that improves things for you. There are many guys here banging normal Thai girls after a cup of coffee and nothing more. Not even a little lie. Maybe the girls can feel you're lying. With dishonesty being a pretty big turn-off to a lot of people, it may even be some of the reason they're not keen on jumping out of their skirt for you.

Remember the 9th commandment: thou shall not lie.[/QUOTE]Well can't argue the 10 Commandants that's for sure. Never have truer words been spoken. But I think plenty of guys after a cup of coffee is them telling fairy tales. However, I'm using Tinder anyway this trip and will take your advice. The smelling of BS is a valid point. I'll let you know how it goes.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2985081]Last time I was in BKK, I strolled through Thaniya Roadjust to have a look, not expecting much, since everything I had read and heard suggested that westerners aren't really considered there.

Contrary to what I had learned, I was actually stopped by some mamasans, who invited me to choose one or more girls and have some fun singing and partying with them. I politely declined, knowing that these places are typically not for western guys. I was also wary of just spending money on drinks, the room, and the girls' time without it leading to what I actually visit BKK for.

However, someone told me that some of those bars do cater to westerners, and that if the girls like youand most of the time they do they may also be open to spending the night with you, either ST or LT.

Anyone have experiences to share?

Thanks.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I have been going to Thaniya around once a month for awhile now, as a white guy. Many (most?) of the shops accept westerners now because the Japanese have largely stopped coming (it's cheaper to fuck in Japan now than on Thaniya due to the weakening yen). The system is pretty much the same throughout the whole street: short time 3500-4000 baht, barfine (called paybar there) 800-1200 depending on negotiating skills & how much you drink. Each shop has all you can drink for 700/ hour or so. There are lady drinks but every girl I've been with there drinks like 3-4 LDs in 2 hours, so it's not a big focus / hustle there, as at most shops you're also paying a few hundred baht / hour fee for the girl to sit with you. But as usual if they sense you are a pushover they may try to get you to order shots for the shop or something. It is perfectly acceptable to ask the mama-san which girls can go short time before you choose a girl or even enter the shop. However it's not really acceptable to ask mama-san if a girl can do things like CIM, BBFS, threesome, etc. At some shops you can take the girl out immediately, but some will insist you drink for an hour or two first. There is a short-time hotel nearby.

It used to be that most westerners would balk at the 5000 thb pricetag for ST there, but that's essentially what many Gogos are trying to charge now (e. G. , 4 k ST + 1 k barfine). If you drink for 2-3 hours then take a girl ST, you are likely paying around 7-10 k all in. So it's not a cheap location. I never do LT so can't comment on that. All in all it can be worth it, as a few shops have selections of 30+ girls on Friday / Saturday nights, which is more than many Gogos and the girls tend to be younger & prettier, though suited to Japanese tastes (which is also what I prefer), and better trained like you may see at gentlemen clubs in Japan (e. G. , light your cigarette, pour your drink, feed you by hand, wait for you outside the bathroom with a hot towel, etc.). If you find a good girl you want to see again in the future, every single one I've asked has accepted 3000 to come visit me again at my place. I speak enough Thai but each place usually has a few girls who can speak a little English.

Don't be afraid to give it a go, just be clear with the mama-san you want a girl who can go short-time. The most beautiful girls will almost never immediately offer short-time, you'll need to take the gamble that they like you enough after 1-2 hours of drinking, and realistically those ones will only go with Asian guys, so I generally don't bother (I only choose girls who can go ST). Also worth keeping in mind that the shops on Thaniya close early for nightlife establishments, at midnight.

Hello everyone,

Just returned last month from a long time trip to Bangkok. Want to say thank you for all the useful information. I've been in the hobby for many years but can't as much anymore due to SO reasons. Figure I detail out my "free" nights and some (hopefully) helpful details for some newbies. This is not my first time in Thailand, but the first time I had the ability to enjoy the hobby over there.

Let me preface this by a few things. What I look for is connection, not just "Wang, Bang, Thank you Ma'am". I get "hall passes" from the SO to go out, just as long as I don't bring back anything. I'm creeping up on 40 and in decent shape. Money is (thankfully) not something I negotiate a lot for. So understand this ahead of time as I write this out. Was in Bangkok for a month and got 2-3 hall passes, here are a few reports.

First Pass: Thursday Night. Went out to Soi Cowboy and just walked around a bit. I don't drink alcohol so I mostly stay with juices (pineapple if available) and sparkling / regular water. Dodged the "Arab" bars due to obvious reasons and decided to check out Crazy House. I've visited a few times but nothing really caught my eye in the past. This time there was a girl named "Nana", HUGE MM DD's and a VERY fit ass. She noticed me when I walked in and winked at me, pulled her right off stage and paid for a lady drink. Her English was good and we just started flirting. Took me upstairs to the second floor as it was a little quieter. Got touchy with each other and then she stopped as she said "she makes a mess". That was that! I asked how much for two shots and 1-2 hours of her time (again can't do long times), we negotiated 4,000 for two hours and 2-3 shots, if time permits.

Got to a short time hotel and took a shower (one of a 100 you end up taking daily in Bangkok) and we just went to town on each other. Went through a few acronyms before the cover came on. I'm decently sized but have the girth! She even offered to BB for an extra 1000, but I declined (if only I was single LOL). She took it all like a champ for round 1 and 2 and she wasn't lying about making a mess! We had 30 minutes left and the sheets were soaked. Went for round 3 and she did her best to keep up and finished in K9. Rested for a bit and went over our time. Took a shower and said our goodbyes. Told her I would be back in a few days or a week. I fucked up and didn't get her line info, read on to see why!

Second Pass: Friday Night. A little over a week later, went back to Soi Cowboy's Crazy House. Asked for Nana, was told she wasn't working there anymore (NOOOOOO). My disappointment was immeasurable and I thought my day was ruined. I just sat back and watched the talent. Girls one after another kept coming up and I rejected them, nothing came close to what I wanted. Then after an hour, an 8/10 walked onto the stage. Nice fit butt with some MM see's with no baby damage (can you all tell the trend of my type). Pulled her down, her name was "Arya / Aria. Some variation of it). Bought her two lady drinks this time to keep Mama-san from getting angry at them. Went upstairs yet again and told her I was actually here to see "Nana" but she doesn't work there anymore. She laughed and said that she is starting her own business or something but assured me she was a good time. Negotiated a bit for the same 2 hour block with 2-3 shots, time permitting, for 3500.

Arrived at the same short time hotel and showered up. I went straight into her ass and ate her from behind. Had her sit on my face a bit and she orgasmed (or faked it, they are Pro's LOL), wet as a baby seal! She did this P2 P slide which was nice, and had a small stint of BBFS. She asked if I wanted to continue or wanted a cover. I asked for the cover (I KNOW! Can't bring anything back with me! Entered her in mish with her legs on my shoulders. The only downside was that she was in a little pain because of the girth, but she championed through. After round 2, we had about 45 minutes left and she kept saying "I die". Thanks for the ego boost! Told her I wanted one more and she obliged but was exhausted. Went in doggy and putt a finger inside her ass. She looked back at me with the most devilish look I've ever seen and asked me if I wanted to put it inside for a little Greek. She wanted another 1000, I agreed and she lubed up. Went REALLY slow at first and then got it all in. She looked to enjoy it and she took it all in good stride. Sped up and ended round 3 inside her ass (covered). It would be another two weeks before I get another pass!

Third Pass: Wednesday afternoon. I was in RCA plaza / center enjoying the afternoon and saw an add on my phone for slightly upscale massage named Bonnie RCA. I checked the forums and couldn't find anything about them. Decided to TOFTT and visited. They don't have a website but they do have a LINE ID that you can ask for the daily Lineup. I asked to see Cherry and Ruby as they both fit my type. Neither were available that day so they brough a line up of beautiful ladies. One stood out, named Olive. Short, cute, and spoke decent English. MM small see's and a cute fit butt. Paid for a three hour window (they sell either 60 or 90 minutes) I decided for a 3 hour B2 B massage. I told her right when we entered what I wanted. Negotiated another 3 k (was a bit pricey as the massage was 2. 5 k).

She undressed me and was surprised I was already standing at attention. She was a bit shocked at the girth (she said her boyfriends / clients are usually Chinese and are significantly smaller). I undressed her and what a body! FLAT stomach with a cute little butt. Not shaved, but a VERY attractive pussy! Needless to say I DATY's for a bit, even got a bit of DATO. She lubed up a bit more and covered me up, it definitely took her a bit to adjust to me. I will say, Olive rode me like a stallion! Flat footed and bottomed out on me, kept hinting at some anal but she was not budging. I KNOW she definitely had an orgasm as I could feel the convulsions. Two rounds down and not a lot of time left, she went in for a BBBJ. I flat out asked for anal and that I would tip another 1000 if I could get it all the way in. She again said no but offered BBFS. Told her I couldn't but did a little P2 P to get me riled up. K9 again to completion and made out like teenagers after.

All in all, I had a great time! I know some fellow hobbyists are probably saying I paid too much. All good! I enjoyed everything and to be honest paying a bit more than the average doesn't bother me. If you compare prices to where I live, I had three AMAZING experiences for pretty much the same price as one / two where I live. I even snagged a few pictures / videos (with consent of course)!

Hope this helps and can't wait to come back again.

Hello everyone,

Just returned last month from a long time trip to Bangkok. Want to say thank you for all the useful information. I've been in the hobby for many years but can't as much anymore due to SO reasons. Figure I detail out my "free" nights and some (hopefully) helpful details for some newbies. This is not my first time in Thailand, but the first time I had the ability to enjoy the hobby over there.

Let me preface this by a few things. What I look for is connection, not just "Wang, Bang, Thank you Ma'am". I get "hall passes" from the SO to go out, just as long as I don't bring back anything. I'm creeping up on 40 and in decent shape. Money is (thankfully) not something I negotiate a lot for. So understand this ahead of time as I write this out. Was in Bangkok for a month and got 2-3 hall passes, here are a few reports.

First Pass: Thursday Night. Went out to Soi Cowboy and just walked around a bit. I don't drink alcohol so I mostly stay with juices (pineapple if available) and sparkling / regular water. Dodged the "Arab" bars due to obvious reasons and decided to check out Crazy House. I've visited a few times but nothing really caught my eye in the past. This time there was a girl named "Nana", HUGE MM DD's and a VERY fit ass. She noticed me when I walked in and winked at me, pulled her right off stage and paid for a lady drink. Her English was good and we just started flirting. Took me upstairs to the second floor as it was a little quieter. Got touchy with each other and then she stopped as she said "she makes a mess". That was that! I asked how much for two shots and 1-2 hours of her time (again can't do long times), we negotiated 4,000 for two hours and 2-3 shots, if time permits.

Got to a short time hotel and took a shower (one of a 100 you end up taking daily in Bangkok) and we just went to town on each other. Went through a few acronyms before the cover came on. I'm decently sized but have the girth! She even offered to BB for an extra 1000, but I declined (if only I was single LOL). She took it all like a champ for round 1 and 2 and she wasn't lying about making a mess! We had 30 minutes left and the sheets were soaked. Went for round 3 and she did her best to keep up and finished in K9. Rested for a bit and went over our time. Took a shower and said our goodbyes. Told her I would be back in a few days or a week. I fucked up and didn't get her line info, read on to see why!

Second Pass: Friday Night. A little over a week later, went back to Soi Cowboy's Crazy House. Asked for Nana, was told she wasn't working there anymore (NOOOOOO). My disappointment was immeasurable and I thought my day was ruined. I just sat back and watched the talent. Girls one after another kept coming up and I rejected them, nothing came close to what I wanted. Then after an hour, an 8/10 walked onto the stage. Nice fit butt with some MM see's with no baby damage (can you all tell the trend of my type). Pulled her down, her name was "Arya / Aria. Some variation of it). Bought her two lady drinks this time to keep Mama-san from getting angry at them. Went upstairs yet again and told her I was actually here to see "Nana" but she doesn't work there anymore. She laughed and said that she is starting her own business or something but assured me she was a good time. Negotiated a bit for the same 2 hour block with 2-3 shots, time permitting, for 3500.

Arrived at the same short time hotel and showered up. I went straight into her ass and ate her from behind. Had her sit on my face a bit and she orgasmed (or faked it, they are Pro's LOL), wet as a baby seal! She did this P2 P slide which was nice, and had a small stint of BBFS. She asked if I wanted to continue or wanted a cover. I asked for the cover (I KNOW! Can't bring anything back with me! Entered her in mish with her legs on my shoulders. The only downside was that she was in a little pain because of the girth, but she championed through. After round 2, we had about 45 minutes left and she kept saying "I die". Thanks for the ego boost! Told her I wanted one more and she obliged but was exhausted. Went in doggy and putt a finger inside her ass. She looked back at me with the most devilish look I've ever seen and asked me if I wanted to put it inside for a little Greek. She wanted another 1000, I agreed and she lubed up. Went REALLY slow at first and then got it all in. She looked to enjoy it and she took it all in good stride. Sped up and ended round 3 inside her ass (covered). It would be another two weeks before I get another pass!

Third Pass: Wednesday afternoon. I was in RCA plaza / center enjoying the afternoon and saw an add on my phone for slightly upscale massage named Bonnie RCA. I checked the forums and couldn't find anything about them. Decided to TOFTT and visited. They don't have a website but they do have a LINE ID that you can ask for the daily Lineup. I asked to see Cherry and Ruby as they both fit my type. Neither were available that day so they brough a line up of beautiful ladies. One stood out, named Olive. Short, cute, and spoke decent English. MM small see's and a cute fit butt. Paid for a three hour window (they sell either 60 or 90 minutes) I decided for a 3 hour B2 B massage. I told her right when we entered what I wanted. Negotiated another 3 k (was a bit pricey as the massage was 2. 5 k).

She undressed me and was surprised I was already standing at attention. She was a bit shocked at the girth (she said her boyfriends / clients are usually Chinese and are significantly smaller). I undressed her and what a body! FLAT stomach with a cute little butt. Not shaved, but a VERY attractive pussy! Needless to say I DATY's for a bit, even got a bit of DATO. She lubed up a bit more and covered me up, it definitely took her a bit to adjust to me. I will say, Olive rode me like a stallion! Flat footed and bottomed out on me, kept hinting at some anal but she was not budging. I KNOW she definitely had an orgasm as I could feel the convulsions. Two rounds down and not a lot of time left, she went in for a BBBJ. I flat out asked for anal and that I would tip another 1000 if I could get it all the way in. She again said no but offered BBFS. Told her I couldn't but did a little P2 P to get me riled up. K9 again to completion and made out like teenagers after.

All in all, I had a great time! I know some fellow hobbyists are probably saying I paid too much. All good! I enjoyed everything and to be honest paying a bit more than the average doesn't bother me. If you compare prices to where I live, I had three AMAZING experiences for pretty much the same price as one / two where I live. I even snagged a few pictures / videos (with consent of course)!

Hope this helps and can't wait to come back again.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2985004]"here's 500 baht for your troubles and there's the door. " Spoiler alert, I'm not the nicest guy you've ever met, haha. Anyway, I feel like this could work, and who knows, maybe it will all go off without a hitch![/QUOTE]So, uh, yeah, going to dial it back a few notches. Thing I came into this city with an attitude that needs to be nocked down a few pegs, and for good reason. I'll leave a short field report to explain.

So, I waltz into Thermae last night earlyish, around 9:30, and there are not suprisingly less people there than the previous weekend nights I had checked it out closer to midnight. I head to the counter to grab a coke, tip the waiter 20 baht with my change, and he's super appreciative yet once again. I'm sure the local Thai people can forgive us westerners for our tipping culture, it's too late for us at this point in that regard. Anyway I start doing the ol' clockwise loops to see what women are willing to make eye contact with me and which aren't. Of course there's a gaggle of older ones trying depserately to meet my stare as I'm searching for a bit of a younger bird than my own age. After doing multiple loops I just can't shake the feeling I get when I look at this one tiny exotic looking thing. She looks like what I imagine Melville saw when shored on the Marquesas and lived with the Tai Pi people for a few months hundreds of years ago. She smiled at me on every loop. Strangely enough, I would only rate her a 6 by universal standards, but she had a 7 face for sure, and her hair was perfect, like movie star, perfect. She also had a certain ineffable quality, let's say. The face of innnocence itself. I walk up to her like a towering dope, and sign a "4" with my hands to signal 4 K, and she just kinda looks at me and says "what?" She speaks english. Not perfect english, but she speaks english. So I said "4,000 Baht" not even Hello, just that, and she was like "okay, you want me to go with you?" I said yes, and then, again, like a dope, I introduce myself and then we both start to make our way to the door after I inform her of which hotel we are heading towards. We grab a taxi, because she's in heels, and a long dress. Dressed like a lady. In the cab we chit-chat, and it comes out that she is 28, (I thought she was 21 max), which is fine. So, she's a little closer to my maturity level, especially considering that I'm a bit stunted in that regard.

We get to the hotel, and this is where my dogshit negotiation tactic that I had set out to try that night failed HARD. She asks about a condom, and of course, being a lying little rat (I feel as if the only truth I owe a woman I will only know for a night, is if I have any diseases, which I don't) I tell her I don't have a condom, because, you know, I want to be all up in those sugar walls. Her face instantly changed, and she started talking about leaving, herself, without me, to go get condoms and that she will be right back. I pause, not really knowing what to do. She looks at me, and speaks to me, like a man would, not emotionally charged, just truth, and says "I would never have sex without a condom. " Fuck. Truth be told, I am a decent guy, and I'm not going to try and talk a woman out of a completely cogent, and well posititioned regard, that affects her health and longevity. So, because I had this dimwit idea of just strong arming the situation with money, I told her that I was deeply sorry for having waster her time, gave her 1000 baht, and said we can just part ways. Here is where things take a curious turn, because I speak "woman. ".

She seems not completely upset but obviusly annoyed. Again, she looks dead into my eyes, and speaks to me like a man, not emotionally charged, just truth. She tells me "you know you should have discussed this with me before we left the club. " I think, why is she hanging around? She could head back to the club now and have made 1000 baht in 30 minutes and not have even smudged her makeup. So, my conscience gets to me, and I decide to do "the right thing," whatever the fuck that is any given moment to a piece of meat with electricity running through it (me.) I go over and lay down another 3,000 Baht next to her purse, I again apologize for wasting her time. At this point I already know she's in my net, and I know that I'm way better looking than 90 percent of those guys in Thermae, even though suprisingly, many of those dudes are quite young by punter standards. Imagine if you were a guy that woman had paid for sex, and fuck it, let's say she's a 2, you're all hard and ready to go, and right before you stick it in, she's like "nah, actually, here's the money, you can go, no thank you. " She looks at the 4,000 Baht, and says something to the effect of "well how about I hang out for a while, I don't want you to pay without getting anything. " A woman with a sense of duty, gentlemen, a woman with a sense of duty. So I say sure, and withing 30 seconds I'm like "how's about a blowjob. " She agrees, again, looking a bit annoyed but not angry, and she disrobes and gets to it.

The blowjob, oh man. I think this woman had chemistry with me, hell I KNOW I had chemistry with her. Eye contact, intermittent and suprising deep throating, sensual. I should also note that this is AFTER she carefully inspected my dick, also noticing my vasectomy scar which I had mentioned the operation earlier, and asking me if I was clean. Anyway, she's blowing me, but I just can't fucking stand it. I have to fuck this woman. So here's where she figures out I'm a lying little rat, but she's in my web now so oh well. When she previously asked why I didn't want to use a condom I basically said "boohoo, it's because I'm old and can't keep it up. " which is a lie. Anyway I stop the blowjob, and say let's see if I can keep it up to keep the lie alive, go over and grab the thinnest condom on the market out of the side table, lube up, and honestly I'm kind of excited because I've never tried this brand before and I'm ready to go. This was like sex on date with a woman you actually like, passionate, kissing, looking into each others eyes. Even with the hat it was a great experience, and I think I learned a lot overall on how I want to conduct myself going forward.

Anyway, by the time we are all showered up and she's leaving, it's like watch a scene in a fucking sitcom where two people are actually fond of eachothers company. I'm putting lotion on her back, she's laughing, we cuddle, etc. She looks at me one last time to speak to me like a man would, and says something to the effect of "you are my type, and if we hadn't met in the cafe and under the cirucumstances maybe we could have dated. " This was unsolicited, I never say shit like that to women I pay, because my days of simpling died in my 20's. Like, she was super honest, and basically said there's obviously going to be no future now because you paid me for access to my vagina, but that she found me handsome and to be a gentleman. Actions have consequences gentlemen, and while I accept mine, I kind of left that encounter feeling alive, like I was part of the world again.

I'm not sure if this sort of report is warranted or welcomed here, but there it is. For 4,000 Baht you might just meet special woman, only to never see her again. She taught herself english. She was uttelrly unique looking. She was 41 kg. She was a 6 by your standards, and a 10 by mine. Over and out.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2985004]Thanks, EverythingThai! I am definitely going to hit up those spots before I make my exit. I'm also committed to making this a yearly trip.

So, I'd figure I would kind of test the waters here about negotiating tactics with women. For example, I remember my bud telling me about this business meeting / client meeting where he was given a list of 6 things he needed to walk away with in the final agreement. His employed tactic was to create 12 bullshit requests, and add that to the 6 requests that he actually needed. After hours of "deliberation" he walked way getting the 6 things he needed to accomplish, and the other side felt like they had driven a hard bargain by defeating 12 of his "other" requests. I would have never came up with this on my own.

Now with women, I'm considering a different approach in Thermae. I'm going to offer right off the bat the high average that I hear they are asking for, from one of the one's that smiles and makes eye contact with me. Korean Ice-Queens need not apply. Anyway, my tactic is just going to be to offer that, and then start heading to the hotel. No discussion of time, or specific requests. I am then going to maintain a hard stance of only payment after, and if I don't get what I want, (not asking for anything crazy here, just boiler plate sex) "here's 500 baht for your troubles and there's the door. " Spoiler alert, I'm not the nicest guy you've ever met, haha. Anyway, I feel like this could work, and who knows, maybe it will all go off without a hitch!

I just wanted to further compare notes on tactics for getting what you want as painlessly and carefree as possible with the available talent.[/QUOTE]You're thinking too hard on this. 'negotiating' is really only changing like by 500 baht or something. Thermae girls are more expensive than a girl on the street, but its still reasonable price, easily negotiable for a westerner. As was brought up in another post, yes, they like asian men because they can scam them for more and its easier in the bedroom, but generally at thermae, their clients are older english / aussie / etc men who are in the mongering scene in Bangkok. Its not a big deal to negotiate there, and they arent going to say no, they want money and they want to get a client so that they can come back down and try to get another or go home for the night after their 1 and done.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2985173]You're thinking too hard on this. 'negotiating' is really only changing like by 500 baht or something. Thermae girls are more expensive than a girl on the street, but its still reasonable price, easily negotiable for a westerner. As was brought up in another post, yes, they like asian men because they can scam them for more and its easier in the bedroom, but generally at thermae, their clients are older english / aussie / etc men who are in the mongering scene in Bangkok. Its not a big deal to negotiate there, and they arent going to say no, they want money and they want to get a client so that they can come back down and try to get another or go home for the night after their 1 and done.[/QUOTE]Having dealt with Asians in the business world my observation was they detested the idea that they were not getting a better deal than their Caucasion counterparts. They were not the least bit shy about negotiating and extending it into the wee hours of the morning until they got there. As long as they know they are getting it cheaper all is well, no need to negotiate further.

This concept of charging a Caucasion or non Asian more and having it be fairly well known that is what often happens in Thermae can only serve a hooker in there well in terms of scoring an Asian customer who won't bother to negotiate whatever amount she quotes.

An additional 500 baht or even 1000 baht to get what I want with a girl I want it with isn't going to chase me away in a place where there is already no need to buy a LD or pay a barfine. But it can mean a lot to some Asian punter to know or at least hear that is what the same girl is charging me vs them. If they ever take a girl knowing she was with me before, that is. Which is doubtful in its own regard, but a different topic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2984907]My girlfriend picks my dirty clothes up to wash and iron them and always has them back within 2 hours. No idea how. She said she wants me to look good when I am out butterflying. She seems surprised when I am not with another chick. The other day she asked who keeps leaving those short hairs in my room.[/QUOTE]That sounds all fun untill the day you wake up screaming with your dick in her hands cut off your body.

My last post on here was about fiwfans.

Apparently the cops shut that down soon after but I still had the contacts in Line.

My first experience was great; clean, professional, good service, spoke English.

But since then, it went downhill fast.

There's a hotel full of them quite near my place, so, I thought.

Probably better not to shit on my doorstep but it's too easy to refuse.

The second girl I went to see looked nothing like her pictures.

But I'd worked myself up for the meeting.

So I went ahead and did it anyway.

My third experience was today.

Turned up on time.

She came down one flight of stairs to let me in about 10 minutes later.

Immediately in the room she started complaining about me having a big dick.

(Should have just left then really).

So we undressed, the phone rang, the postman was downstairs.

She wanders off, I start getting up to leave, thinking I've been scammed.

She comes back, complains about the big dick some more.

Does a 3 second BJ, then points to her mouth and says there's something wrong.

She doesn't want to be touched or kissed, which is the total opposite to what was in the ad.

So I spent a few minutes trying to get turned on by this uninteresting creature.

And finally gave up and got dressed.

I said 'You should probably get a different job. I don't think this one suits you'.

She didn't understand. And I didn't care.

1000 baht down the drain.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2985114]I have been going to Thaniya around once a month for awhile now, as a white guy. Many (most?) of the shops accept westerners now because the Japanese have largely stopped coming (it's cheaper to fuck in Japan now than on Thaniya due to the weakening yen). The system is pretty much the same throughout the whole street: short time 3500-4000 baht, barfine (called paybar there) 800-1200 depending on negotiating skills & how much you drink. Each shop has all you can drink for 700/ hour or so. There are lady drinks but every girl I've been with there drinks like 3-4 LDs in 2 hours, so it's not a big focus / hustle there, as at most shops you're also paying a few hundred baht / hour fee for the girl to sit with you. But as usual if they sense you are a pushover they may try to get you to order shots for the shop or something. It is perfectly acceptable to ask the mama-san which girls can go short time before you choose a girl or even enter the shop. However it's not really acceptable to ask mama-san if a girl can do things like CIM, BBFS, threesome, etc. At some shops you can take the girl out immediately, but some will insist you drink for an hour or two first. There is a short-time hotel nearby.

It used to be that most westerners would balk at the 5000 thb pricetag for ST there, but that's essentially what many Gogos are trying to charge now (e. G. , 4 k ST + 1 k barfine). If you drink for 2-3 hours then take a girl ST, you are likely paying around 7-10 k all in. So it's not a cheap location. I never do LT so can't comment on that. All in all it can be worth it, as a few shops have selections of 30+ girls on Friday / Saturday nights, which is more than many Gogos and the girls tend to be younger & prettier, though suited to Japanese tastes (which is also what I prefer), and better trained like you may see at gentlemen clubs in Japan (e. G. , light your cigarette, pour your drink, feed you by hand, wait for you outside the bathroom with a hot towel, etc.). If you find a good girl you want to see again in the future, every single one I've asked has accepted 3000 to come visit me again at my place. I speak enough Thai but each place usually has a few girls who can speak a little English.

Don't be afraid to give it a go, just be clear with the mama-san you want a girl who can go short-time. The most beautiful girls will almost never immediately offer short-time, you'll need to take the gamble that they like you enough after 1-2 hours of drinking, and realistically those ones will only go with Asian guys, so I generally don't bother (I only choose girls who can go ST). Also worth keeping in mind that the shops on Thaniya close early for nightlife establishments, at midnight.[/QUOTE]My experience has been mamasans from various venues on Thaniya Road have approached me alone or whatever non Asian buddy I happen to be walking by with at the time and implored us to come inside, choose a girl, yes the girls will go to a hotel with me, essentially every detail you cited in terms of costs and options since years before Covid, immediately after Covid and ever since.

I just think they have been more open to engaging with non Asian customers for much longer than many of us have been led to believe. Oh, not every venue. But several. I assume the ones whose mamasans never bother to approach or say anything as I passed by know their girls prefer to keep it Asian-centric. But I can't say there are better looking or younger lineups in front of those shops. They all seem similar to me.

I believe this misconception about all those venues being "Japanese only" or "Asian only" is perpetuated by the Thai tuk tuk drivers stationed in the area armed with brochures wanting to sell us on the idea of them taking us to another location where "farang ok" and where they will get a kick-back from the shop for taking us there.

You brought up the, to me, all-important issues of BBBJCIM and BBFS (CIP?) in that it is a no-no to ask the mamasan which girls are up for either or both. Am I reading between the lines that one or both has been an objective of yours on occasion as well and that the topics were broached by you with the girls privately? If so, how did it go? Have you experienced a high, medium or low success rate in getting the girls you chose to go along with either or both? Or has the answer been an adamant no every time and for any amount of extra money?

Thanks in advance for any further intel you can provide about this.

For me, if there isn't going to be BBFSCIP on offer at any cost or BBBJCIM at a reasonable additional cost, I would just as soon skip the whole thing and save my money for girls who will.

Honestly, your report might be the first I can recall of any punter here stating that he got sex of any kind, fully covered or not, at any of those Thaniya Road venues. LOL. That is one of the reasons I never accepted the offer from those aggressive mamasans to come inside and choose a girl if the only thing that would happen is I would be laying out some 5,000 - 7,000 baht inexcange for booze, which I don't care about, and a No Real Sex or No CIM Finish Blowjob buzzkill.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2985108]But I think plenty of guys after a cup of coffee is them telling fairy tales.[/QUOTE]Better believe it. I always assume we're going to my place later. Sometimes we do, and sometimes we don't, so it's always interesting for me to see what happens.

I remember one funny story from a year or two ago when I, on the way back from gym and dinner, impromptu met a 19 year old thaifriendly girl at terminal 21 at closing time. Line-ed here to ask where she was when I arrived, she said she'd gone to the bathroom at location x, so I waited outside there. She came out, we talked for a minute or two, but since it was already 10 pm and terminal 21 was closing, we walked out, and then just continued walking. After some minutes she asked where we're going, and I told her my place. After 10 more minutes she laughed and said she didn't know why she was walking with me.

BTS-ed with her back to terminal 21 for lunch next day, which also had the benefit of her, on a later date, introducing me to my new favourite thai restaurant there, after the previous one (staffed by burmese, some of you may know it), where we ate that day, apparently won some tripadvisor award some years ago. Post-covid19 it now always has a queue of riff-raff waiting for a table, but fortunately the other one serves the same type of food, or better according to the girl, but has considerably less tourists, and rarely any queue.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2985257]Not sure that I agree with this comment about all of them being obvious. I agree that nearly all within 10 meters are ladyboys, but there are some genetic females in that same area and some that I just don't know. Even though I gave plenty of advanced warning, one of my friends learned in the hotel that he had a ladyboy on his first visit to Bangkok. I'm extremely cautious of any freelancer that I take anywhere in Thailand. I always ask prior to committing with a freelancer and then I glance at ID before giving to my hotel reception.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there are female hookers standing outside on the road there too. With enough experience, easy enough to see who's who, and if not, once they start moving or talking, it's even more obvious. This is what I guess N. means by them being obvious, but when new in Thailand, it's scary, and what's obvious to him may not be obvious to others.

I erred on the cautious side myself when young and liking to go clubbing, but months later I was pretty sure I rejected some prime pussy in the disco because I was still new and couldn't always tell for sure who's who. Girls insisting they were real girls, but me still being unsure. Later I found out I could just have asked to see their ID, which all thai people carry with them, and which will say mister or misses.

What did your friend do?

[QUOTE=Interstella;2985171]So, uh, yeah, going to dial it back a few notches. Thing I came into this city with an attitude that needs to be nocked down a few pegs, and for good reason. I'll leave a short field report to explain.

So, I waltz into Thermae last night earlyish, around 9:30, and there are not suprisingly less people there than the previous weekend nights I had checked it out closer to midnight. I head to the counter to grab a coke, tip the waiter 20 baht with my change, and he's super appreciative yet once again. I'm sure the local Thai people can forgive us westerners for our tipping culture, it's too late for us at this point in that regard. Anyway I start doing the ol' clockwise loops to see what women are willing to make eye contact with me and which aren't. Of course there's a gaggle of older ones trying depserately to meet my stare as I'm searching for a bit of a younger bird than my own age. After doing multiple loops I just can't shake the feeling I get when I look at this one tiny exotic looking thing. She looks like what I imagine Melville saw when shored on the Marquesas and lived with the Tai Pi people for a few months hundreds of years ago. She smiled at me on every loop. Strangely enough, I would only rate her a 6 by universal standards, but she had a 7 face for sure, and her hair was perfect, like movie star, perfect. She also had a certain ineffable quality, let's say. The face of innnocence itself. I walk up to her like a towering dope, and sign a "4" with my hands to signal 4 K, and she just kinda looks at me and says "what?" She speaks english. Not perfect english, but she speaks english. So I said "4,000 Baht" not even Hello, just that, and she was like "okay, you want me to go with you?" I said yes, and then, again, like a dope, I introduce myself and then we both start to make our way to the door after I inform her of which hotel we are heading towards..[/QUOTE]LOL. I was curious to see how you would fare after reading your intentions.

Cool and honest report. I enjoyed reading it. Some suggestions, if I may:

1) Say hello, first. I mean, just normal politeness, no?

2) You're not buying bbq-ed chicken liver at a street food cart, where four fingers would indicate four sticks of bbq-ed liver on a stick if all the guy is selling from his cart is bbq-ed liver on a stick. I've only been to Thermae once (last January), but 4 k could just as well be your offer for long-time, as a newbies offer for st. The time I went there I offered 2500 to the first girl I liked, as I didn't remember if reading here that the going rate for st was 2500 or 3000, and 2500 was what I paid her.

3) Don't drag some girl out of there if you're later on going to kick her out for insisting on condom for sex. I'd reject her if she insisted on condom for BJ, as that's not normal, but condom for sex is the normal thing, and if she lets you fuck her without condom, for more money or because she thinks you're ok, that's up to her.
Giving her 1,000 just for the trip before kicking her out sounds decent, and one can imagine if she does that twice every hour, after three hours she'll have 6,000 for nothing more than sitting on her ass in a taxi, so she should be more than happy, but she's not going to see it that way, as you found out. More than decent of you to then give her the remaining 3,000 though, and happy you ended up with a good experience anyway.

Will be looking forward to your next report. Live and learn.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2984783]It's a nonsense only for newbies. The word "massage" in these shops names is just a cover to not openly advertise as a brothel. I would estimate not even 10% of the girls working in these places know how to give a good massage, followed by a good transition to the sex part. The massage is either there to waste time or be used as a cover only. Never ever take the Nuru option in these places, Nuru seems to be properly done only in very few places (Mitu, Dokidoki and Aries it seems). In every other places, it is available at a higher price but it is pure bullshit. None of these girls have been trained to give these kind of massage. As a general rule, always take the cheapest option available in these places (depending on the duration you chose), because you're just paying more and getting nothing in return once in the room. These places are basically a place you go to smash a girl and then move on. These two places cited in the post you quoted are good places, but the OP was expecting something they usually don't do.[/QUOTE]Well, a newbie I can assure you I am not. However, in the 5 trips to BKK I can affirm not focusing much on the massage places. I do however want to experience a real nuru done properly. So will research the 3 places you mentioned. Even though one knows the masseuse is going to fuck, it's still sort of cool to imagine I'm with a straight masseuse and wind up convincing her to have sex. Last year on way back to hotel from muay thai training I pass these small alley way massage places. And a few always tried to solicit me with "hey muay thai man" and the like. Well after one day I took one of them up on it. It was more of a BJ / HJ place, but she wound up fucking and the build up was enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2985273]Yeah, there are female hookers standing outside on the road there too. With enough experience, easy enough to see who's who, and if not, once they start moving or talking, it's even more obvious.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Just shake their hand or get them to talk. A guy's hand is nothing like a lady's and a guy's voice is nothing like a lady's either. They will try to change their voice which could not be more obvious.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2985328]Did you even read your own post? It seems your dogshit negotiation tactic failed way before the hotel. If you see a for sale sign on something, do you just walk up and blurt out a price to the person selling it? She may have only wanted 2000, had you bothered to ask.[/QUOTE]I think his intention was to be overly generous and hope the girl would reciprocate likewise. I guess it could work with some girls, but my bet was that was not going to work out as hoped, and he'd just end up paying twice of everyone else here for the same service. Still, it's cool to see people trying different things and post how it worked out.

Another guy posted here not long ago about doing something similar with normal, non p4p-girls, and having success with that. Choose some cute enough girl at 7-11 or whatever. Cute enough to want to bang, but not so pretty that she has guys fawning over her every day, or even every month. Then treat her to an extravagant date, like a rich guy with little game would treat a model I imagine, and at the end of the night, see her being so flattered with all the attention and money spent on her that she wants to please him in every possible way. Not my cup of tea (I don't like spending money on people I don't already know and like), but I can imagine how that could work with many decent girls.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2985314]Correction on my part. I did say ST, but guess what? Many are quoted 4-5 K for ST for the high side. The low side is accurate too. WHO CARES !!!![/QUOTE]Accurate information is important. Why don't you tell the board what the owner of the Thermae looks like? You must know who he is since you go there so much.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2985244]My experience has been mamasans from various venues on Thaniya Road have approached me alone or whatever non Asian buddy I happen to be walking by with at the time and implored us to come inside, choose a girl, yes the girls will go to a hotel with me, essentially every detail you cited in terms of costs and options since years before Covid, immediately after Covid and ever since.

I just think they have been more open to engaging with non Asian customers for much longer than many of us have been led to believe. Oh, not every venue. But several. I assume the ones whose mamasans never bother to approach or say anything as I passed by know their girls prefer to keep it Asian-centric. But I can't say there are better looking or younger lineups in front of those shops. They all seem similar to me.

I believe this misconception about all those venues being "Japanese only" or "Asian only" is perpetuated by the Thai tuk tuk drivers stationed in the area armed with brochures wanting to sell us on the idea of them taking us to another location where "farang ok" and where they will get a kick-back from the shop for taking us there.

You brought up the, to me, all-important issues of BBBJCIM and BBFS (CIP?) in that it is a no-no to ask the mamasan which girls are up for either or both. Am I reading between the lines that one or both has been an objective of yours on occasion as well and that the topics were broached by you with the girls privately? If so, how did it go? Have you experienced a high, medium or low success rate in getting the girls you chose to go along with either or both? Or has the answer been an adamant no every time and for any amount of extra money?

Thanks in advance for any further intel you can provide about this.

For me, if there isn't going to be BBFSCIP on offer at any cost or BBBJCIM at a reasonable additional cost, I would just as soon skip the whole thing and save my money for girls who will.

Honestly, your report might be the first I can recall of any punter here stating that he got sex of any kind, fully covered or not, at any of those Thaniya Road venues. LOL. That is one of the reasons I never accepted the offer from those aggressive mamasans to come inside and choose a girl if the only thing that would happen is I would be laying out some 5,000 - 7,000 baht inexcange for booze, which I don't care about, and a No Real Sex or No CIM Finish Blowjob buzzkill.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think the "asians / Japanese only" thing is a misconception. If you look even halfway presentable (well-groomed + not wearing a Chang singlet or cargo shorts & flip flops), my experience is that almost any shop there is excited to have you. Treat it as if going to a gentleman's club and you won't go wrong.

Most girls I've had from Thaniya did BBBJ at no extra charge. CIM I am less sure about as I usually prefer to finish with a hard pounding in doggystyle, but I have had a few do CIM when I've had trouble finishing. Definitely not guaranteed though nor is BBBJ. I generally ask the girl about BBBJ within the first hour of drinking, figure I have a higher chance at success if they know me first (I. E. , that I'm not batshit crazy & I live nearby so chances of repeat business are high for the right girl). I choose a girl that's pretty enough that even if only CBJ is on offer, I still consider it a good night. CIP I don't do as I've not been snipped yet, hopefully this year. After meeting a girl for 2-3 times I will ask for BBFS. Not just on Thaniya but in general. It's maybe a 25% success rate, sometimes at no charge, sometimes +1000. If a girl allows BBFS she becomes a regular. If not, I get bored of girls after 2-3 times anyways, so not much motivation to meet again without that benefit.

I think the best introduction to Thaniya is probably Trendy One. Very welcoming mama-san & owner that speak English, and on Friday / Saturday nights there are 30+ girls in sexy uniform. The best part is that they wear colored badges letting you know whether they will go ST or LT (no badge = girl decides on a case by case basis), makes everything very easy. Look up the building on google maps and go out front asking for Trendy, someone will guide you. Hidden gem of a place, in my opinion. Best to rent a private room there as it's not expensive (700 baht / hour?? Can't remember), but not necessary.

Friday was actually my monthly Thaniya session, went to Show Me, a line-up of around 15 girls, picked a 22-year old spinner from Laos, very pretty face & white skin (was surprised when she told me she's from Laos). First non-Thai I've met on Thaniya. And first girl from Laos I met that can deepthroat LOL. 2 hours drinking + ST was 6500 baht so again, not a super budget friendly place, but occasionally I like to mix things up rather than just sticking to my usual rotation which is thermae, t-ded, and patpong.

I've been in Bangkok for about a year and my itch is beginning to drive me nuts! I'm from the West Coast where girls are plenty and speak my language but its a bit different here.

I want to find girls that are very much my type (small tits, short as hell, petite, and preferably no tats.) Being a taken man, I can't really invest time to go around all these spots to find exactly what I want without raising suspicion.

Does anyone know of any agencies or local Thai men who offer this as a service? Where they can assist me in finding some hidden gems and delicious local cuisines if you know what I mean.

Appreciate any advice given, have a safe day gents.

I've just came back from a week in Bangkok. Stayed on Soi 11 at an Airbnb. The Hyde. I didn't have to go far as right outside the front door I met 2 different Vietnamese Girls who looked quite ok. Both charged 2000 baht for the sessions. BBBJ was given without enquiring but only did CFS. Given that I got charged 3000 baht at a massage plus establishment around the corner. I should have saved myself the walk. NB Both were BYO condom. I heard they were cracking down on foreign girls in Pattaya around the time I was there.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2985377]Another guy posted here not long ago about doing something similar with normal, non p4p-girls, and having success with that. Choose some cute enough girl at 7-11 or whatever. Cute enough to want to bang, but not so pretty that she has guys fawning over her every day, or even every month. Then treat her to an extravagant date, like a rich guy with little game would treat a model I imagine, and at the end of the night, see her being so flattered with all the attention and money spent on her that she wants to please him in every possible way. Not my cup of tea (I don't like spending money on people I don't already know and like), but I can imagine how that could work with many decent girls.[/QUOTE]I guess I have not always had enough money to throw it around like that. I am used to getting chicks with my personality without having to try to impress them by what I spend. When it comes to chicks that are not hookers, I prefer finding one that wants to fuck me instead of fuck my money.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2985401]Yeah I think the "asians / Japanese only" thing is a misconception. If you look even halfway presentable (well-groomed + not wearing a Chang singlet or cargo shorts & flip flops), my experience is that almost any shop there is excited to have you. Treat it as if going to a gentleman's club and you won't go wrong.[/QUOTE]Would they prefer me coming in dressed up with no money, or wearing what I want with a pocket full of money to spend?

[QUOTE=Neville62;2985443]I've just came back from a week in Bangkok. Stayed on Soi 11 at an Airbnb. The Hyde. I didn't have to go far as right outside the front door I met 2 different Vietnamese Girls who looked quite ok. Both charged 2000 baht for the sessions. BBBJ was given without enquiring but only did CFS. Given that I got charged 3000 baht at a massage plus establishment around the corner. I should have saved myself the walk. NB Both were BYO condom. I heard they were cracking down on foreign girls in Pattaya around the time I was there.[/QUOTE]You mean they were street walkers? Were the attractive?

Hey guys,

I've been connecting with a lot of freelancers on ThaiFriendly. But it's usually a hit or miss. I found girl who offered st for 1500, and if I wanted CIM anal it's 500 extra. BUT if I wanted BBFS another 500.

Now the price doesn't concern me, but just the willingness to so quickly go BB kinda scared me.

I'm not experienced much going BB, and never with a working girl. But. I really do wan't to try it. I'm just not sure how risky these girls are. This one kinda felt like a red flag because she offered without me asking.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Do many / any of you go BB with working girls? Had any. Issues?

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2985367]Even though one knows the masseuse is going to fuck, it's still sort of cool to imagine I'm with a straight masseuse and wind up convincing her to have sex. [/QUOTE]I recommend a walk down soi 22 if that is what you like. For regular massage where the shops are organized such that you can select the girl / woman yourself (rather than book at a reception counter and have no idea who will do the massage), and with enough shops and women that one is likely to find someone cute / pretty enough, this is my favourite soi. HJ is a given as long as you pay the extra (500, though they will ask for more), BJ is common enough, but the younger / prettier will either demand 2,000 or take some convincing to get down to 1,000. Sex with the younger / prettier ones also doable most of the time, but takes some convincing if you don't want to pay too much (2000 will be accepted, 1000, maybe not).

As long as you don't disgust her too much and do not seem to desperate, 1000 is my standard price for sex if negotiating, though I've been forced to pay up to 2,000. If they do not bring up money, but just go with the flow and let me fuck them, I tip them 2,000. I know 2000 is the rate they're usually accepting sex for at these shops, even if they may ask for more if they think you look stupid enough (apparently there are days where I look more stupid than usual), and thus I'd feel bad to give anything less if they "trusted" me enough to let me fuck them without bringing up money beforehand. I don't at all mind negotiating it down to a 1,000 though, as long as we both know the score. I'm guessing about 20% did not bring up the money and just let me fuck them, sometimes not even mentioning it as I was exiting, where I slipped it to them as a normal massage tip.

There are girls from 19 year old and up here who I've banged, though most women working here are in the 30-35 year range I guess. Since most of them are sitting outside the shop, or immediately next to the entrance inside, you choose the one you want.

Most of these shops are immediately before and after the big Marriot hotel, 4-5 on each side, though there are also two shops on the right handside at the start of the soi, but the prices at these two are more expensive, both for the massage and the BJ (one girl there seemed to think she was doing me a big favour by blowing me for only 1,000). Beware that one of these two, the one furthest from the start of the soi, is manned by mostly ladyboys though.

Soi 23, one of the exits / entrances to Soi cowboy has somewhat similar shops, and there sex is almost a given at most shops I'd think, but quality of women is considerably lower, so I rarely looked there. Have seen some pretty ones there too, but it's very rare. Usually I would not want more than a BJ at these shops, and the few times I've gone there they seemed surprised I was offering 1,000 for the BJ (or sex if I wanted), so I'm thinking I'll just offer 500 next time. Problem is I rarely saw anyone I'd like to get a massage from there (plus a subsequent BJ). Always gives me a kind of slum vibe, both the shops and the staff, as well as the street.

Anyway, I'd only go to these places (soi 22/ soi 23) if my intention was to get a decent thai massage from a decent looking girl / woman, which may or may not be followed by a BJ or sex, depending on the girl and my wallet. If you're going to feel you wasted two hours on a thai massage if it did not end in sex, rather than had some of the most relaxing time in the world at the cost of 1/10 of what I'd have to pay at home for thai massage or sports massage, it's not the place as the girls here are selling massage (often with a HJ), not pussy.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2985520]Hey guys,

I've been connecting with a lot of freelancers on ThaiFriendly. But it's usually a hit or miss. I found girl who offered st for 1500, and if I wanted CIM anal it's 500 extra. BUT if I wanted BBFS another 500.

Now the price doesn't concern me, but just the willingness to so quickly go BB kinda scared me.

I'm not experienced much going BB, and never with a working girl. But. I really do wan't to try it. I'm just not sure how risky these girls are. This one kinda felt like a red flag because she offered without me asking.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Do many / any of you go BB with working girls? Had any. Issues?[/QUOTE]In TH if IIRC only been with one lady a few times BB and a couple other ladies the condom broke or came off. Guess I could be lucky but test last month came back clean.

In the States I've been with quite a few working ladies BB but havn't see anything yet. Maybe like 5 different ladies or so and like 15 encounters.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2985535]I recommend a walk down soi 22 if that is what you like. . . Anyway, I'd only go to these places (soi 22/ soi 23) if my intention was to get a decent thai massage from a decent looking girl / woman, which may or may not be followed by a BJ or sex, depending on the girl and my wallet. . .[/QUOTE]Heading over in April. This really sounds up my alley. What are the logistics though? Do you ask the provider at the beginning? Do they ask you towards the end? Is it like getting a massage then tagging a qv (quick visit) onto the end? I mean how long is the FS typically? I am guessing it's pretty quick? I am not sure.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2985520]I've been connecting with a lot of freelancers on ThaiFriendly. But it's usually a hit or miss. I found girl who offered st for 1500, and if I wanted CIM anal it's 500 extra. BUT if I wanted BBFS another 500.

Now the price doesn't concern me, but just the willingness to so quickly go BB kinda scared me.

I'm not experienced much going BB, and never with a working girl. But. I really do wan't to try it. I'm just not sure how risky these girls are. This one kinda felt like a red flag because she offered without me asking.[/QUOTE]So if she would have waited 5 more minutes before offering it, then it would have been fine? Dude, it is no red flag. She is a hooker. What do you think hookers are for? She is used to guys asking about this, so she can already tell you what she offers and how much it costs before you ask.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2985520]Hey guys,

I've been connecting with a lot of freelancers on ThaiFriendly. But it's usually a hit or miss. I found girl who offered st for 1500, and if I wanted CIM anal it's 500 extra. BUT if I wanted BBFS another 500.

Now the price doesn't concern me, but just the willingness to so quickly go BB kinda scared me.

I'm not experienced much going BB, and never with a working girl. But. I really do wan't to try it. I'm just not sure how risky these girls are. This one kinda felt like a red flag because she offered without me asking.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Do many / any of you go BB with working girls? Had any. Issues?[/QUOTE]A friend used to do it, but he's dead now.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2985401]Yeah I think the "asians / Japanese only" thing is a misconception. If you look even halfway presentable (well-groomed + not wearing a Chang singlet or cargo shorts & flip flops), my experience is that almost any shop there is excited to have you. Treat it as if going to a gentleman's club and you won't go wrong.

Most girls I've had from Thaniya did BBBJ at no extra charge. CIM I am less sure about as I usually prefer to finish with a hard pounding in doggystyle, but I have had a few do CIM when I've had trouble finishing. Definitely not guaranteed though nor is BBBJ. I generally ask the girl about BBBJ within the first hour of drinking, figure I have a higher chance at success if they know me first (I. E. , that I'm not batshit crazy & I live nearby so chances of repeat business are high for the right girl). I choose a girl that's pretty enough that even if only CBJ is on offer, I still consider it a good night. CIP I don't do as I've not been snipped yet, hopefully this year. After meeting a girl for 2-3 times I will ask for BBFS. Not just on Thaniya but in general. It's maybe a 25% success rate, sometimes at no charge, sometimes +1000. If a girl allows BBFS she becomes a regular. If not, I get bored of girls after 2-3 times anyways, so not much motivation to meet again without that benefit..[/QUOTE]Thanks much for the follow up.

As always, YMMV. But I suspect my results would not be wildly different from yours; go with the flow, work on a relaxed chemistry with the girl, broach the subject of BBBJCIM, probably get one often enough to not to feel totally ripped off. In my case, I have been snipped. But there is no way the girl can know that beyond my telling her. I can show her a recent Negative HIV test result it that part of it matters to her or would make a difference. Which it usually doesn't but you never know.

So for me it would probably be a 5,000 - 7,000 baht gamble with an above average attractive girl that has a, say, 75% chance of ending with me having no sexual finish at all. If there isn't going to be a CIM or BBBFCIP, I'll skip a finish, easily, and save the bullet for another time with another girl, likely my lovely live-in girlfriend later that same evening or the next day. And t sounds like it's the CIM that has the best chance of happening but even that at about a 25% success rate.

Could be something to do to pass the time, meet a new girl or two, throw several thousand baht out there to see what happens and be shockingly, pleasantly surprised if anything close to a Real Blowjob or a Real Sex finish occurs. I'd have no standing to feel ripped off about it unless the girl promised on her life upfront that she would deliver the Real Thing in private. Which we know isn't going to happen in any of those places.

I'll look for Trendy One on that 1st fateful day comes when the stars, extra cash in my pocket, time, opportunity and interest all line up for me to jump in!

[QUOTE=Koryu;2985520]Hey guys,

I've been connecting with a lot of freelancers on ThaiFriendly. But it's usually a hit or miss. I found girl who offered st for 1500, and if I wanted CIM anal it's 500 extra. BUT if I wanted BBFS another 500.

Now the price doesn't concern me, but just the willingness to so quickly go BB kinda scared me.

I'm not experienced much going BB, and never with a working girl. But. I really do wan't to try it. I'm just not sure how risky these girls are. This one kinda felt like a red flag because she offered without me asking.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Do many / any of you go BB with working girls? Had any. Issues?[/QUOTE]Don't take any one or two responses here as anything more than interesting anecdotal information or anything to do with a trend or what will probably happen with the next girl you meet and have BB sex with.

But as long as you asked; I have been having BB sex since I was 20 years old, almost 52 years ago; throughout California, Nevada, other areas of the USA, Mexico, Vietnam, Hong Kong, The Philippines, Thailand, a few other places I have probably forgotten at the moment. For sure, by now the count is with well over 2,000 different women. Probably 70% with P4 P / working girls. Virtually all have been BB. The only rare exceptions were when I'd heard there was some new miracle condom out there that "felt like no barrier at all" and so I'd give it a spin. None of those reports and testimonials proved to be true. If I am wearing a condom, very little sex and guaranteed no finish is possible for me.

So I got a vasectomy relatively early in my early 30's and will get a blood check for whatever the latest scare or concern is just to keep track.

In all those years and through the thousands of different girls, from "real" girlfriends to one-night-stands, street girls, beer bar girls, gogo bar girls, online girls, you name it, I have gotten a dose of exactly one (1) STI. It was a case of trichomoniasis that I picked up at age 20 from my then 19 year old university girlfriend. Not a bargirl or hooker. I exhibited no symptoms but she did. She apparently got it from her previous boyfriend.

Anyway, we both took a tablet of antibiotics for about 5 days and all was fine.

That's it. So far. Again, just as it is for you, there is no 100% guarantee that I won't pick up something else with the very next girl I have sex with. Well, not from my GF, of course. Because she's different. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2985389]Accurate information is important. Why don't you tell the board what the owner of the Thermae looks like? You must know who he is since you go there so much.[/QUOTE]Only OG vets would know this. All I can say is the boss is a better spy than me. Definitely smiles more than I do. I'll "wait patiently" for the answer to come cleanly to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2985520]Hey guys,

I've been connecting with a lot of freelancers on ThaiFriendly. But it's usually a hit or miss. I found girl who offered st for 1500, and if I wanted CIM anal it's 500 extra. BUT if I wanted BBFS another 500.

Now the price doesn't concern me, but just the willingness to so quickly go BB kinda scared me.

I'm not experienced much going BB, and never with a working girl. But. I really do wan't to try it. I'm just not sure how risky these girls are. This one kinda felt like a red flag because she offered without me asking.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Do many / any of you go BB with working girls? Had any. Issues?[/QUOTE]I would always trust your gut feeling. A freelancer immediately offering sex with BBFS for 2000 all-in without even having met you yet is probably not someone you want to do BBFS with, if for no other reason than said freelancer is probably old & fugly. Young pretty girls in Bangkok do not need to resort to such desperate tactics. But in the end it's all about your individual risk tolerance. A lot of people here including myself do BB working girls & accept the risk, but even then it doesn't mean you shouldn't make some effort to minimize the risks.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2985520]Hey guys,

I've been connecting with a lot of freelancers on ThaiFriendly. But it's usually a hit or miss. I found girl who offered st for 1500, and if I wanted CIM anal it's 500 extra. BUT if I wanted BBFS another 500.

Now the price doesn't concern me, but just the willingness to so quickly go BB kinda scared me.

I'm not experienced much going BB, and never with a working girl. But. I really do wan't to try it. I'm just not sure how risky these girls are. This one kinda felt like a red flag because she offered without me asking.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Do many / any of you go BB with working girls? Had any. Issues?[/QUOTE]Newbie, BB doesn't mean that you're not protecting yourself; PREP HIV is as safe a condom, the risk of bacterial infection can be reduced with Doxy PREp, and even more so with Cefixime + Zythromax PEP. There is no protection against HSV nor HPV, not even the condom works there.

Make an appointment with one of the PULSE clinics, they have all these ready for you.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2985535]I recommend a walk down soi 22 if that is what you like.[/QUOTE]It sounds as if you skipped out on the not so legit massage places in the alley's off Soi 22. Cherry, Kiss, and Honey Bee to name a few.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;2985562]Heading over in April. This really sounds up my alley. What are the logistics though? Do you ask the provider at the beginning? Do they ask you towards the end? Is it like getting a massage then tagging a qv (quick visit) onto the end? I mean how long is the FS typically? I am guessing it's pretty quick? I am not sure.[/QUOTE]I tried to find some posts of mine from summer a year and a half ago, where I posted some detailed reports, but for some reason search only went back to middle of August 2024 for me. Don't know why.

Anyway: I have the normal massage, as that's what I'm there for, and near the end of it either the girl will try to offer a handjob (no interest from me), or I will, ever so gently and slowly, pull her hand down to my dick if I see we are starting to run out of time. Gauging her reaction and depending on whether I want a BJ or to fuck her, I'll then proceed to pull her on top of me if I sense she will not run out screaming rape when I do that. When she's on top of me, I'll basically proceed as if we were on a normal date first date with a girl I don't yet know if I'm going to be fucking or not. I. e. , grinding my dick against their pussy, putting my hands on their ass, brushing my lips gently against them. At this point they know what I want, but will usually ask me anyway what I want.

You need to have some "people skills" to do this obviously, or you will just come of as a creep, or worse. Since I greatly enjoy thai massage and probably have had close to a thousand of them over the years, I have a lot of of experience by now, and also feel when I should very much keep my hands to myself (though, I think that's in less than 1% of the cases). Until you're sure of things, I recommend doing everything very slow and step by step, so the girl can politely reject your advances. Slowly take her hand and see her reaction. Does she pull away in disgust? Obviously you don't do anything more and just lay back and enjoy the end of the message. If she does not pull away, slowly lead her hand to your dick and see what happens. Then slowly pull her closer to you, slowly pull her on top of you.

Like with a dog you don't know. You want to do everything very slow so it does not suddenly bite you until you have enough experience to know what you can safely do and with who.

There's no fixed limit on the FS, but if you pay for one hour of thai massage, obviously you have to finish in that time. I usually start when there's about 15 minutes left of the time, unless the girl is really superhot and I want to bang her for a long time, or unless the girl has herself started before by asking me if I want "special". There will also normally be other customers there, perhaps even farang women, so obviously you can not be banging the girl like you're in one of the many sex shops in the same area. Quiet and discreet, and sometimes some other customer will enter behind the curtain directly next to your mattress, and the girl will refuse sex, often even refuse a BJ, due to that.

8:15 PM. The place is half full already. On the way in 4 ladyboys standing to the left of the entrance and 2 to the right. Inside the majority of the punters are Japanese. There are 3 western guys including me, 2 Indians and about 50 or so Japanese guys. The number of them keeps growing every few minutes. Will report on what happens next in my next post. Quality of talent seems excellent tonight.

Plant Smoke is in Chiang Mai where massage parlours (at least the one last night) hit you up with a two page menu at the reception. In this case daisuki by lolitas.

That is not any fun is it?

I need a quick Bangkok massage tutorial 101 by someone. I arrive in Bangkok tomorrow:

1. I don't like these "packages" massage parlours try to sell (all inclusive) which gives the girl nothing to work for.

2. I do like paying the establishment a massage fee; where after the session turns into a freelance session with the girl with negotiation.

Please reply with brief summaries about protocol in massage parlours in the Huai Khwang, Sukhumvit, and other areas I need to know about.

Anyone bother heading up to sukhumvit soi 78 to that small area down there?

Thanks a bunch.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2985733]8:15 PM. The place is half full already. On the way in 4 ladyboys standing to the left of the entrance and 2 to the right. Inside the majority of the punters are Japanese. There are 3 western guys including me, 2 Indians and about 50 or so Japanese guys. The number of them keeps growing every few minutes. Will report on what happens next in my next post. Quality of talent seems excellent tonight.[/QUOTE]Left and right of the entrance? Are you in the right place? Oh I guess you mean standing outside of the steps sitting on the railing and congregating around the spirit house where the dude sells his tourist t-shirts. There is no right side of the entrance, there was a wall with the sign and the security guard and the stairs leading downstairs, on the left are the steps leaving up to the hotel, so I guess you are referring to the lady boys that sit by the bar sign on the left side of the hotel near the steps? Your description is a little unclear since in 30 years, I've never seen ladyboys congregating around the stairs to Thermae.

Was there around 8 ish and can confirm that somebody resembling Sharon Marsh was really there. Our buddy did spend way too much time physically checking the ElBees to make sure they were in their right spots. But I understand the need to be 100% sure. If you got to squeeze them by all means grab life by the horns and pull hard. He also forgot wash his hands and tip the bathroom lady. No bueno.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2985934]Was there around 8 ish and can confirm that somebody resembling Sharon Marsh was really there. Our buddy did spend way too much time physically checking the ElBees to make sure they were in their right spots. But I understand the need to be 100% sure. If you got to squeeze them by all means grab life by the horns and pull hard. He also forgot wash his hands and tip the bathroom lady. No bueno.[/QUOTE]I thought it was a little odd that the OP gave a "breaking news" real time, on the spot update on the brothel in question, mentioned the ethnic diversity of the all the male clients and paid particular attention to the exact post up location of the 6 Lb's. No mention of any chics there, which I would have thought was the info most mongers would be interested to know!

Odd that!

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2985401]Yeah I think the "asians / Japanese only" thing is a misconception. If you look even halfway presentable (well-groomed + not wearing a Chang singlet or cargo shorts & flip flops), my experience is that almost any shop there is excited to have you. Treat it as if going to a gentleman's club and you won't go wrong.[/QUOTE]

Thanks to everyone for the intel and information, really helpful. I'll definitely try one of those two places. Maybe I'll start with The Trendy One, as suggested.

I'm already laughing because I don't like singing, and I can't stand listening to someone who isn't the original artist singing a song. So, I hope I'll still have the fun I'm expecting. Hopefully, you can just sit in the room, listen to music, chat, and maybe dance. That sounds much better.
Renting a room seems like the best option too. Hopefully, you can already get a little taste of the companion in there (or better yet, she can get a taste of me:-))). I also liked the idea I read in another poststarting with two girls for the first hour, then choosing one and letting the other go to finish the night with your favorite. Just an idea, but it sounds interesting.

As for BBFS, I'm a bit too worried to go for it, so I never ask and always use protection. Only once, I took a girl from a gogo, and I don't know why (too many tequilas?) But I found myself inside her BB. Well, since I was already there, I just went with it. She told me not to CIP because she wasn't on the pill, so I just finished outside. Whatever.
Anyway, plan is to go there next week, and I'll let you know how it goes unless some other stories come up in the meantime. You know, BKK always has surprises in store.

Thanks again for the tips to all!

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2985600]Don't take any one or two responses here as anything more than interesting anecdotal information or anything to do with a trend or what will probably happen with the next girl you meet and have BB sex with.

In all those years and through the thousands of different girls, from "real" girlfriends to one-night-stands, street girls, beer bar girls, gogo bar girls, online girls, you name it, I have gotten a dose of exactly one (1) STI. It was a case of trichomoniasis that I picked up at age 20 from my then 19 year old university girlfriend. Not a bargirl or hooker. I exhibited no symptoms but she did. She apparently got it from her previous boyfriend.

Anyway, we both took a tablet of antibiotics for about 5 days and all was fine.

That's it. So far. Again, just as it is for you, there is no 100% guarantee that I won't pick up something else with the very next girl I have sex with. Well, not from my GF, of course. Because she's different. LOL.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I'm in same situation. I wish I could finish with condom but those days are long over. It's complete time waster for me so I'd rather not even attempt it. I'd recommend prep before monger trips. I do it and my thought is if one limits hiv most of the other stuff is generally resolvable with antibiotic.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2985401]Yeah I think the "asians / Japanese only" thing is a misconception. If you look even halfway presentable (well-groomed + not wearing a Chang singlet or cargo shorts & flip flops), my experience is that almost any shop there is excited to have you. Treat it as if going to a gentleman's club and you won't go wrong.

Most girls I've had from Thaniya did BBBJ at no extra charge. CIM I am less sure about as I usually prefer to finish with a hard pounding in doggystyle, but I have had a few do CIM when I've had trouble finishing. Definitely not guaranteed though nor is BBBJ. I generally ask the girl about BBBJ within the first hour of drinking, figure I have a higher chance at success if they know me first (I. E. , that I'm not batshit crazy & I live nearby so chances of repeat business are high for the right girl). I choose a girl that's pretty enough that even if only CBJ is on offer, I still consider it a good night. CIP I don't do as I've not been snipped yet, hopefully this year. After meeting a girl for 2-3 times I will ask for BBFS. [/QUOTE]Agree totally with Japanese thing. I've seen so many American / European tourists in BKK dress like they're going to a backyard bbque while generally the asians who are likely split business people too dress decently. It doesn't take much. Think from girls perspective who you would want to fuck.

As far as the BBFS I do envy you who live in BKK and can let multiple "dates" play out into this arrangement. A 4-6 day tourist strategy needs to be different obviously. I always agree to a reasonable pathway to BBFS upfront with girl and obvious never pay upfront. Reasonable pathway is either I flat out ask in very plain terms or say stuff like "boyfriend-girlfriend sex, natural" which is pretty obvious. If she questions later I can point to text and it usually resolves quickly, maybe with a little more cash but who cares as long as everyone feels good about it. Last thing I want is argument at hotel. If that happens I just open door, give them a couple baht for taxi or train and send them on their way. Shitty attitudes = no hard on for me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2985565]So if she would have waited 5 more minutes before offering it, then it would have been fine? Dude, it is no red flag. She is a hooker. What do you think hookers are for? She is used to guys asking about this, so she can already tell you what she offers and how much it costs before you ask.[/QUOTE]This is true Mr E. Haha. Even girls who are using TF part time to supplement income have had more guys that week who paid them for sex then tourist mongers in BKK have socks in their suitcase.

I guess it's don't ask if you don't want a good answer.

[QUOTE=PlantSmoke;2985829]
I need a quick Bangkok massage tutorial 101 by someone[/QUOTE]It sounds like you prefer the negotiation to be with the girl, rather than the shop. It gives you a chance to see how you click with your girl before you decide what service you want.

Here's my advice: head to the shops on Soi 22 (near the head of the Soi, not the side sois) or Soi 23 (partway down past Cowboy and on left side). There you will find girls sitting outside the massage shops catcalling you. They will usually have a 1-page menu with prices that appear too good to be true. This is because the menu price (e. G. 300-400 Baht for an hour massage) is ONLY a massage. You will negotiate the rest with the girl in the room. Her price can vary wildly depending of how she perceived herself, you and her financial station that day. Be forewarned: the negotiation can be a royal pain and, yes, it may even interrupt your session as she tries to haggle with you some more. It's also possible (rare, but it happens) that the girl will not be open to anything beyond the massage: avoid older ladies or ones who simply look unenthused about you at the door (duh).

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2985535] I recommend a walk down soi 22 if that is what you like. As long as you don't disgust her too much and do not seem to desperate, 1000 is my standard price for sex if negotiating, though I've been forced to pay up to 2,000. If they do not bring up money, but just go with the flow and let me fuck them, I tip them 2,000. Most of these shops are immediately before and after the big Marriot hotel, 4-5 on each side, though there are also two shops on the right handside at the start of the soi,

Soi 23, one of the exits / entrances to Soi cowboy has somewhat similar shops, and there sex is almost a given at most shops I'd think, but quality of women is considerably lower, so I rarely looked there.

if my intention was to get a decent thai massage from a decent looking girl / woman, which may or may not be followed by a BJ or sex, depending on the girl and my wallet. If you're going to feel you wasted two hours on a thai massage if it did not end in sex, rather than had some of the most relaxing time in the world at the cost of 1/10 of what I'd have to pay at home for thai massage or sports massage, it's not the place as the girls here are selling massage (often with a HJ), not pussy.[/QUOTE]Haha. Agree. Luckily, I dress well, fit, polite, so don't think I've disgusted too many thai ladies. I've walked around those Soi alleys last year so know what you're saying. I took a bike tour of BKK and the bike shop was right next to them. But believe it or not haven't gone into any yet. I've tried to read massage thread but alot of it seems YMMV or hit or miss. Any specific shops you recommend from recent visits?

I'll have to pay a little more attention to Soi 23 and area around Cowboy this trip. Honestly I stayed at Sheraton Grande last year to experience Soi Cowboy and found the gogo bars and street was not my scene. So I migrated to Thermae, street, online. But I need to branch out a little as it's getting boring. Hence the mix of massage this trip.

1,500 Thb.

Midway down on the west side of Soi 4, in front of a small park with a low wall where lots of them sit on. A bro decoded it as #45.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2984745]How much was the damage to get her?

As soi 4 is pretty much crowded, where was she stationed?[/QUOTE]

So, I don't want to dox myself, but fuck it, I've been going to Thermae the past 4 or 5 nights and wrecking shop after my initial failure at that venue.

I just love the setup of walking in circles as many times as I fucking please, while at most a woman might say "Hello, or maybe just gently tap me with the tip of her fingernail. I know this is grotesque, but there is a streetwalker on Soi 4 with what I assume is a "full-blown" something situation, like a 0 out of 10, who tried to grab my arm as I passed, and I must have looked like neo from the Matrix dodging that shit. I digress. I love the Thermae way. I take my time. I find what I want and I go for it. So far, I have only run into one woman who very politely refused my company (I look like a fucking white 6 foot plus peacock standing out as compared to most of the dudes there).

The second gal I took was a real sweetie, 24 but looked 19, ample breasts that were augmented, but she had enough "meat" on top of the implants that they looked quite nice and were enjoyable to the touch. She had medium-light dark skin, maybe 100 pounds and some change, around 5'4" I'm assuming, perfect straight dark hair, and just that college girl cutie look. I would say a very weak 7, but once I'm in the 7 territory I don't really give a fuck, it's all about service at that point. She was quite sweet and accommodating, no rushing, good blowjob skills, eagerly willing in her participation to make me blow my load. If the entrance of Thermae as you walk in is south, being behind you, I have seen her standing on the outside of the western wall, midway in the lineup of women that seem younger than those in the middle. I have seen her there multiple nights in about the same spot. Best I can do to help locate this one. Damage was 3 K.

The third gal I took was a fucking knockout. 8 out of 10 for sure, not a doubt in my mind. Maybe 100 pounds, 5'2", slender, natural small be size breasts, medium-light "dark" skin, and just classy looking. Like I felt proud to be seen out and about with her. Super sweet, dressed like a lady, funny, spoke decent English, gracious, etc. Again, if the downstairs entrance is South, as in you walk in and South is at your back, she would have been on the North side of the cafe, standing on the outside and a little off to the right where there's some seating. I have only seen her once there, so don't know about her return to that same place in the lineup. She looked 21 but ended up being 29. She quoted 4 K for ST, and something like 7 K for LT (which to her meant 5 hours, and like 2 shots, but really more if you want to grab a bite with her or have drinks instead of getting straight to it). I actually liked and hung out with this chick after our time together. Funny thing, she REFUSED to use my Japanese ultra thin condoms. She's super concerned about her health and I can appreciate that, but the one's she had felt alright so no biggie. So, damage was 4 K, but I got the extra hanging out with dinner and drinks for free, and those WhatsApp deets.

The fourth gal, was a fucking nightmare. She was cute, but upon further inspection I had agreed to 3 K for ST with a 6. But she's kinda voluptuous with light-white skin and ample breasts so I was still excited. Oh my god, was it cocaine, was it Adderall, who knows. She was like this strange little over-energetic ferret. I should have bounced before we got to the hotel, but I dunno, I wanted to see those titties no matter what I guess. Super weird energy, but we got down to the sex and it was an alright experience. She gave me the best service I believe she was capable of in her overly energetic state of existence. Avoid at all costs. She was standing on the "inside circle" if that makes sense on the northeast part of the cafe. But doesn't matter, don't do it!

The fifth gal I took tonight was an absolute delight. She was a bit "larger" by the standards around there, maybe 135,5'4", with banging titties and a nice juicy ass. Light skinned, and with a nice "shimmer" with whatever metallic flake product she had on body and face. Her service was fucking on point one hundred. And she had the perfect sort of boobs for a good damn boob-job, which is rare in my experience. It's either that bigger boobs aren't "taut" enough, or the taut boobs you do find are too small to comfortably fit a dick between, but hers, oh man, she just lubed those bad boys up and held them together with one hand and I held on for dear life. Moving on to the sex, she's just perfect, eagerly accommodating all requests, and just kinda feeling what I want along the way too as far as eye contact, and me placing my hand on her throat and all that jazz. Perfect session. Super happy to get those whatsapp deets. Damage was 3 K. I would rate her a weak 7, but then again, who gives a fuck, unless you're hunting 9's and 10's, and I wish you godspeed in that endeavor.

I love Thermae, but in my few remaining nights in Bangkok, I'm going to fuck up Soi Cowboy / Crazy House. As what I saw tonight on a Friday walking through, there are definitely one's there I want. I just failed to see the talent before. I tried looking up Flamingo to no avail, not sure if it's actually called Flamenco? Anyway, thanks to EverythingThai for the recs. Also thanks to all the gents whom have helped me on this first trip to Bangkok, and if there is anyway I can help in the future, I hope I can. As soon as Ukraine opens up sometime in the future for example, I'm heading there to see if any ladies would like to "hang out," haha, and will report on that or something. It's a lifestyle.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2986049]Haha. Agree. Luckily, I dress well, fit, polite, so don't think I've disgusted too many thai ladies. I've walked around those Soi alleys last year so know what you're saying. I took a bike tour of BKK and the bike shop was right next to them. But believe it or not haven't gone into any yet. I've tried to read massage thread but alot of it seems YMMV or hit or miss. Any specific shops you recommend from recent visits?

I'll have to pay a little more attention to Soi 23 and area around Cowboy this trip. Honestly I stayed at Sheraton Grande last year to experience Soi Cowboy and found the gogo bars and street was not my scene. So I migrated to Thermae, street, online. But I need to branch out a little as it's getting boring. Hence the mix of massage this trip.[/QUOTE]I guess I've banged the most girls at Alice massage, compared to the amount of girls working there. For some reason they seem to have more good looking girls than the other shops much of the time, even though it's probably the smallest shop. I'll pass by all 4-5 shops on each side of the Marriot M hotel to see though. Girls come and go all the time, day to day, and I've passed Alice massage plenty of times without seeing anyone I'd like to bang too, at which point I just choose the best of a mediocre bunch at one of the shops for a decent thai massage with nothing more, except usually a BJ as long as she comes down to my price of 1,000 for that. Not all do, but I'm there mainly for the massage, not sex, so it doesn't bother me. And if you want sex for sure, there are several sex shop on the same soi.

Soi 23 I'd put pretty far down on the list. It was much closer to where I airbnb-ed last time, but I only rarely went down that soi, and find it a bit too ghetto for my taste. Soi 23 is more "skanky women who sell sex, but pretend to massage", while soi 22 is more "normal girls / women who sell massage, but sometimes sell sex too".

The night started out on Soi 7 around 5 PM. Went by the previous bar where I met the young cutee last time. She was there and gave me a big hug. However, this time there was something about her look that didn't appeal to me anymore. Last time she was done up much nicer. A sexy skirt, low cut top and her hair was down. This night her hair was up, she was wearing these god awful cheap shoes, and very little make up. Anyways, I decided to stay and drink for a while until the other bars opened. Drank with her, ordered some food from Taco Bell through grab and ended up being the DJ while drinking and eating. Spent about 4000 baht on drinks for me and a few of the girls before I made up an excuse and left. Man this girl kept calling me in line all night after I left. Had to block her finally.

Next stop was soi 4. Headed down to check out the beer bars. They were full of guys and very old and ugly ladies. It was not a good vibe in those beer bars for sure. Nana officially opens at 7 PM so I went in to check it out. Mostly empty bars and girls arriving slowly to work. Up on the top level Butterflies serves all the staff free food so I was able to chat up a few girls. I grabbed the line of one sexy girl and saved it for another night and left. It was a good way to kill half an hour.

Then it was time to head over to Thermae. I arrived at about 8:15 or so. There were about 10 Japanese guys out front in small groups, I guess contemplating when to go in. On either side of the entrance there were lady boys hanging around mixed in with a few normal girls who were looking for customers outside the bar. Walked down the stairs and was steered towards the bar for the customary mandatory drink. Girls were strolling in and paying their dues for being allowed to work their trade in the bar. Interesting to see how much the bar makes from each lady. Big stacks of bills kept piling up as more girls walked in and registered by paying their fee and showing their Thai ID cards. This is obviously to prove they are real ladies. However, these IDs can be faked and often girls use a friends ID to show in any bar. After getting my beer, I did a quick tour to see how the talent was looking. The pool kept growing as the night progressed. Girls of all shapes, sizes ranging from ugly and fat, to cute, beautiful and sexy, white skin, tanned, and a few dark slimmed ones, only a few. I did see one obvious post op ladyboy in there. Observations over the next 2 hours were as follows:

Japanese guys amounted to about 70% of the customers there. 20% were other asians, such as Chinese or Koreans. The last 10% was made up of the odd western guy and a few Indians. What I noticed is the Asian guys came in groups of two mostly with a few larger groups. They sat most of the time chatting amongst themselves. Not too many people were approaching girls at the start. As the night progressed more girls arrived and more Japanese guys. The Japanese guys started approaching some of the girls. Conversations seemed very short and they were off in a flash. I would say not more than a few seconds of talking or a quick google translate conversation and they were off. The western and Indian guys looked like they were deers caught in headlights. They all looked lost. I never witnessed one western or Indian guy talking to a lady except for one white dude while I was there. From what I saw, he struck out twice before I left. The two conversations I witnessed seemed to be full of many questions from him and then ended with him walking away. Even one lady picked up an Asian client right after and it took her all but 30 seconds to close the deal and they were off.

About the girls. About 10% were acknowledging the western guys. The rest would not even make eye contact with them. Most looking down when they walked by. I also experienced this with some of the girls. The ones that acknowledged them would nod and smile meaning they were open for them to approach. However, most western guys just sat in their seats looking confused without approaching anyone. The girls were spread out all over the place. What I always find interesting about Thermae are the girls who stand a the very back and in the corridor at the back to the left that leads to the toilets and the hotel upstairs. Some girls like to hide there and refuse to come right into the bar. Meaning that if you are not a regular there, you might not even see all of the girls in the place. One big reason for this is the girls enter through the front hotel door on Suk and then enter Thermae from the back to avoid paying the fee. Ok, so I thought to myself, enough collecting intel, it's time to pull the trigger.

I was eying one of the girls in the back left corner by the back exit. Big tits, long black hair, white skin and a nice ass. I walked over and asked her how much for ST. She quoted me 4000 Baht. I said no condom is ok? She said 5000 Baht and we were off. For me, I don't like to fuck around. I could have got her to accept less if I had of negotiated, but I don't have time for this. Anyways off we went to my hotel. I don't like the ST rooms there so I always grab a hotel in Suk so I don't need to travel back home at the end of the night. I prefer to stay in the area instead of going back home and dealing with the taxi mafia in the evenings. Back in my room, we showered together and she gave a decent blow job in the shower. Not Tulip quality, decent. On to the bed with many different positions and a nice finish inside. Then a quick shower and good bye.

The night was still young so I decided to check out Soi Cowboy. It was packed and really commercialized. The Arab bars were in full swing where 80% of the girls are drink only girls and the rest come with large bar fines and very high rates and mediocre service. When they grabbed my arm to entice me to go in I would ask how much ST and they would say they don't go with customers. Then I replied to them saying I will go to a bar where the girls go with customers. Two had the nerve to tell me all the bars are the same LOL. Anyways, I visited Shark, Suzy Wong and Baccara.

The girls in Suzy Wong were all topless. Most with larger breasts. I didn't see anyone on stage I liked so I passed.

Next I went into shark and sat down for a drink. One Thai girl with blond hair approaches me and asks if I want her to sit down. She was a little spinner with a tanned sexy body. I ordered her 3 tequilas and we fucked around in the seating area. I had her bra off and was sucking on her tits and fingering her. However, I was not ready for another round yet so I paid the bill and left. She had offered me ST for 3500 plus bar fine.

Then on to Baccara. The place was full of Asian guys as normal. Talent downstairs was lacking this night. However, if you look up, there is a glass floor and the girls are dancing with no panties on so you can see their pussies. Up I went and sat down for a beer. I saw a cute girl. One of those girls wearing a white student uniform waiting for her group to dance and I motioned her over to me for a drink. She told me she studies at Chulu university majoring in law which surprised me. She spoke perfect English. We chatted over a couple more drinks and then I got a call from my bro from T-Ded 99 telling me it was off the hook there. Hundreds of girls and just a few guys. So I paid my bill and I was off. On my way out I chatted with the door man a bit after witnessing him steer an Indian guy to the outside bar to force him to buy a drink before he would let him in. Something that has never been asked of me. I asked him why he did that. He said that guys go in and walk around or hide in the corners without buying a single drink for them or a girl. Just go in to watch the girls dance. Anyways, I skipped crazy house this night as I have spent too much time there recently and wanted a break.

Arriving a T-Ded 99 I noticed the sheer amount of pussy there that night. Two days before pay day when the Thai guys have no money, the place was dead. Very few Thai guys, some Chinese guys and two foreigners. My bro greets me and takes me to my usual table. I take a stroll along the back corridor where there were about 100 girls sitting. Chose two girls and took them back to my table. I ordered some beers, snack foods and one of the girls asked me to buy her a vape kit for 150 Baht. What then transpired over the next 3 hours was sheer craziness. Eating, drinking and fucking around grabbing ass and pussy and making out with both the girls. At this point I was ready for a second round. I chose my girl, cut the other one loose and I was was off to the hotel. The damage was 2600 baht for the drinks, food and the sitting fee for the two girls. 1000 Bhat tip for my bro, 2500 baht for the girl ST including the hotel and 1000 baht tip for my girl after the deed was done at the hotel. Great night again at T-Ded 99 that consisted of drinking, eating, fucking around with 2 at my table and 2 hours of BB sex with a Lao hottee.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2986278]So, I don't want to dox myself, but fuck it, I've been going to Thermae the past 4 or 5 nights and wrecking shop after my initial failure at that venue.

I just love the setup of walking in circles as many times as I fucking please, while at most a woman might say "Hello, or maybe just gently tap me with the tip of her fingernail. I know this is grotesque, but there is a streetwalker on Soi 4 with what I assume is a "full-blown" something situation, like a 0 out of 10, who tried to grab my arm as I passed, and I must have looked like neo from the Matrix dodging that shit. I digress. I love the Thermae way. I take my time. I find what I want and I go for it. So far, I have only run into one woman who very politely refused my company (I look like a fucking white 6 foot plus peacock standing out as compared to most of the dudes there).

The second gal I took was a real sweetie, 24 but looked 19, ample breasts that were augmented, but she had enough "meat" on top of the implants that they looked quite nice and were enjoyable to the touch. She had medium-light dark skin, maybe 100 pounds and some change, around 5'4" I'm assuming, perfect straight dark hair, and just that college girl cutie look. I would say a very weak 7, but once I'm in the 7 territory I don't really give a fuck, it's all about service at that point. She was quite sweet and accommodating, no rushing, good blowjob skills, eagerly willing in her participation to make me blow my load. If the entrance of Thermae as you walk in is south, being behind you, I have seen her standing on the outside of the western wall, midway in the lineup of women that seem younger than those in the middle. I have seen her there multiple nights in about the same spot. Best I can do to help locate this one. Damage was 3 K.

The third gal I took was a fucking knockout. 8 out of 10 for sure, not a doubt in my mind. Maybe 100 pounds, 5'2", slender, natural small be size breasts, medium-light "dark" skin, and just classy looking. Like I felt proud to be seen out and about with her. Super sweet, dressed like a lady, funny, spoke decent English, gracious, etc. Again, if the downstairs entrance is South, as in you walk in and South is at your back, she would have been on the North side of the cafe, standing on the outside and a little off to the right where there's some seating. I have only seen her once there, so don't know about her return to that same place in the lineup. She looked 21 but ended up being 29. She quoted 4 K for ST, and something like 7 K for LT (which to her meant 5 hours, and like 2 shots, but really more if you want to grab a bite with her or have drinks instead of getting straight to it). I actually liked and hung out with this chick after our time together. Funny thing, she REFUSED to use my Japanese ultra thin condoms. She's super concerned about her health and I can appreciate that, but the one's she had felt alright so no biggie. So, damage was 4 K, but I got the extra hanging out with dinner and drinks for free, and those WhatsApp deets.

The fourth gal, was a fucking nightmare. She was cute, but upon further inspection I had agreed to 3 K for ST with a 6. But she's kinda voluptuous with light-white skin and ample breasts so I was still excited. Oh my god, was it cocaine, was it Adderall, who knows. She was like this strange little over-energetic ferret. I should have bounced before we got to the hotel, but I dunno, I wanted to see those titties no matter what I guess. Super weird energy, but we got down to the sex and it was an alright experience. She gave me the best service I believe she was capable of in her overly energetic state of existence. Avoid at all costs. She was standing on the "inside circle" if that makes sense on the northeast part of the cafe. But doesn't matter, don't do it!

The fifth gal I took tonight was an absolute delight. She was a bit "larger" by the standards around there, maybe 135,5'4", with banging titties and a nice juicy ass. Light skinned, and with a nice "shimmer" with whatever metallic flake product she had on body and face. Her service was fucking on point one hundred. And she had the perfect sort of boobs for a good damn boob-job, which is rare in my experience. It's either that bigger boobs aren't "taut" enough, or the taut boobs you do find are too small to comfortably fit a dick between, but hers, oh man, she just lubed those bad boys up and held them together with one hand and I held on for dear life. Moving on to the sex, she's just perfect, eagerly accommodating all requests, and just kinda feeling what I want along the way too as far as eye contact, and me placing my hand on her throat and all that jazz. Perfect session. Super happy to get those whatsapp deets. Damage was 3 K. I would rate her a weak 7, but then again, who gives a fuck, unless you're hunting 9's and 10's, and I wish you godspeed in that endeavor.

I love Thermae, but in my few remaining nights in Bangkok, I'm going to fuck up Soi Cowboy / Crazy House. As what I saw tonight on a Friday walking through, there are definitely one's there I want. I just failed to see the talent before. I tried looking up Flamingo to no avail, not sure if it's actually called Flamenco? Anyway, thanks to EverythingThai for the recs. Also thanks to all the gents whom have helped me on this first trip to Bangkok, and if there is anyway I can help in the future, I hope I can. As soon as Ukraine opens up sometime in the future for example, I'm heading there to see if any ladies would like to "hang out," haha, and will report on that or something. It's a lifestyle.[/QUOTE]Glad you overcame your initial failures at Thermae. It's awesome there if you can get in the groov.

Just so it's clear, the back entrance to the Thermae ithrough the hotel is not availailable.

Standard rates (at least for me) 2500-3000. Nobody pays more except for Asians or rookies.

It's easy to see the girls in the back corridor when you walk past. No hidden girls anywhere.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2986300]"Then it was time to head over to Thermae...Observations over the next 2 hours were as follows:

Japanese guys amounted to about 70% of the customers there. 20% were other asians, such as Chinese or Koreans. The last 10% was made up of the odd western guy and a few Indians. What I noticed is the Asian guys came in groups of two mostly with a few larger groups. They sat most of the time chatting amongst themselves. Not too many people were approaching girls at the start. As the night progressed more girls arrived and more Japanese guys. The Japanese guys started approaching some of the girls. Conversations seemed very short and they were off in a flash. I would say not more than a few seconds of talking or a quick google translate conversation and they were off. The western and Indian guys looked like they were deers caught in headlights. They all looked lost. I never witnessed one western or Indian guy talking to a lady except for one white dude while I was there. From what I saw, he struck out twice before I left. The two conversations I witnessed seemed to be full of many questions from him and then ended with him walking away. Even one lady picked up an Asian client right after and it took her all but 30 seconds to close the deal and they were off..[/QUOTE]Bud, I'm going to have to disagree as to my experience as a western white dude who has gone to Thermae 5 nights in a row. I know your opinion reigns here, but I'm just not seeing how you could even sit in a single place or circle around and deduce that "only about 10% were acknowledging the western guys. " That ain't true in my experience, and I think it's a disingenuous survey of the situation there. I actually spoke to every woman I took from Thermae about this issue. Plenty are willing to go with white guys. Plenty of women there smiled back at me, as a 6 foot plus, well dressed, decent looking guy. Perspective is a funny thing, you have to be open that there is a limitation to what an observer can assess in an empirical approach to a social science observation. I would say that roughly 25% percent of the women there smiled back at me, and I would also say, the female species, not being known for their prowess in confrontation, being eye contact or whatever, had I stopped and talked to every woman there, I could probably swing leaving with 50 percent of what was available. I've known this 'secret" about ALL women for decades, just nut up and go and talk to them with zero fear, and watch what happens, because you never know till you try. Additionally, I find your depiction of "Crazy House" as an upscale establishment to be disingenous, and assume that you are a local guide with a kickback sort of setup. Which is fine. I mean no offense. That being said, I was told that black guys and Indian guys are going to have a difficult go of it at Thermae, from the women I spoke to directly on this issue. Not trying to subvert your opinion, just offering a little dissent with mine, because Thermae ain't no thing if you play your cards right.

Check out street girls on Soi 4 Jan 2025.

Anything your heart desires, 1,500 Bahts.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPRIR2P5CdU[/URL]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2985288]LOL. I was curious to see how you would fare after reading your intentions.

Cool and honest report. I enjoyed reading it. Some suggestions, if I may:

1) Say hello, first. I mean, just normal politeness, no?

2) You're not buying bbq-ed chicken liver at a street food cart, where four fingers would indicate four sticks of bbq-ed liver on a stick if all the guy is selling from his cart is bbq-ed liver on a stick. I've only been to Thermae once (last January), but 4 k could just as well be your offer for long-time, as a newbies offer for st. The time I went there I offered 2500 to the first girl I liked, as I didn't remember if reading here that the going rate for st was 2500 or 3000, and 2500 was what I paid her.

3) Don't drag some girl out of there if you're later on going to kick her out for insisting on condom for sex. I'd reject her if she insisted on condom for BJ, as that's not normal, but condom for sex is the normal thing, and if she lets you fuck her without condom, for more money or because she thinks you're ok, that's up to her.
Giving her 1,000 just for the trip before kicking her out sounds decent, and one can imagine if she does that twice every hour, after three hours she'll have 6,000 for nothing more than sitting on her ass in a taxi, so she should be more than happy, but she's not going to see it that way, as you found out. More than decent of you to then give her the remaining 3,000 though, and happy you ended up with a good experience anyway.

Will be looking forward to your next report. Live and learn.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your candor and suggestions. I'm only just now entering the second stage of my life, so it's like, you know, every three years I look back and think, "what an asshole I was three years ago. " The 30 year old me would quiver in fear of the presence of the man I am now, and I can only hope that I continue to improve in that vein. I want to treat these women well, of course, as I also want to in general, treat everyone well.

I can tell that there are some gentlemen on this forum that are indeed worth knowing and sharing with. So, I will continue to do so with reports and such. However, there are some ultra-senior members that I'm not sure if they have to power to "ban" me or not for expressing dissent. We shall see. Still need to figure out this crypto jazz and get my account upgraded. Cheers, Tom.

Do many of you go bb with the free lancers or other workers?

Or do you go bb after few visits with the same one?

I definitely can't but I want to know how common it is. I'm just worried of catching something even with protection, knowing my luck 😂 BBBJ are a necessity for me.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2986429]Check out street girls on Soi 4 Jan 2025.

Anything your heart desires, 1,500 Bahts.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPRIR2P5CdU[/URL][/QUOTE]It looks like prison in USA. All girls segregate by race. Haha. Lots more Africans than I remember two years ago when I stayed at JW.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2986390]Bud, I'm going to have to disagree as to my experience as a western white dude who has gone to Thermae 5 nights in a row. I know your opinion reigns here, but I'm just not seeing how you could even sit in a single place or circle around and deduce that "only about 10% were acknowledging the western guys. " That ain't true in my experience, and I think it's a disingenuous survey of the situation there. I actually spoke to every woman I took from Thermae about this issue. Plenty are willing to go with white guys. Plenty of women there smiled back at me, as a 6 foot plus, well dressed, decent looking guy. Perspective is a funny thing, you have to be open that there is a limitation to what an observer can assess in an empirical approach to a social science observation. I would say that roughly 25% percent of the women there smiled back at me, and I would also say, the female species, not being known for their prowess in confrontation, being eye contact or whatever, had I stopped and talked to every woman there, I could probably swing leaving with 50 percent of what was available. I've known this 'secret" about ALL women for decades, just nut up and go and talk to them with zero fear, and watch what happens, because you never know till you try. Additionally, I find your depiction of "Crazy House" as an upscale establishment to be disingenous, and assume that you are a local guide with a kickback sort of setup. Which is fine. I mean no offense. That being said, I was told that black guys and Indian guys are going to have a difficult go of it at Thermae, from the women I spoke to directly on this issue. Not trying to subvert your opinion, just offering a little dissent with mine, because Thermae ain't no thing if you play your cards right.[/QUOTE]For the record I have not given any opinion here. It was what I witnessed that night when I was there.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2986300]

Then it was time to head over to Thermae. I arrived at about 8:15 or so. Japanese guys amounted to about 70% of the customers there. 20% were other asians, such as Chinese or Koreans. The last 10% was made up of the odd western guy and a few Indians. The western and Indian guys looked like they were deers caught in headlights. They all looked lost. I never witnessed one western or Indian guy talking to a lady except for one white dude while I was there. About the girls. About 10% were acknowledging the western guys. The rest would not even make eye contact with them.

I was eying one of the girls in the back left corner by the back exit. Big tits, long black hair, white skin and a nice ass. I walked over and asked her how much for ST. She quoted me 4000 Baht. I said no condom is ok? She said 5000 Baht and we were off. For me, I don't like to fuck around.

Arriving a T-Ded 99 I noticed the sheer amount of pussy there that night. Two days before pay day when the Thai guys have no money, the place was dead. Very few Thai guys, some Chinese guys and two foreigners. My bro greets me and takes me to my usual table. I take a stroll along the back corridor where there were about 100 girls sitting. Chose two girls and took them back to my table. I ordered some beers, snack foods and one of the girls asked me to buy her a vape kit for 150 Baht. What then transpired over the next 3 hours was sheer craziness. Eating, drinking and fucking around grabbing ass and pussy and making out with both the girls. At this point I was ready for a second round. I chose my girl, cut the other one loose and I was was off to the hotel. The damage was 2600 baht for the drinks, food and the sitting fee for the two girls. 1000 Bhat tip for my bro, 2500 baht for the girl ST including the hotel and 1000 baht tip for my girl after the deed was done at the hotel. Great night again at T-Ded 99 that consisted of drinking, eating, fucking around with 2 at my table and 2 hours of BB sex with a Lao hottee.[/QUOTE]White and Brown dudes looking lost at Thermae is funny. I was there 3-4 times last year and never really noticed the crowd I was just focused on the girl pool, and was never there more then 10-15 minutes as I found what I wanted and off we go. If I go this trip I'll have to go slower and just observe. I do like your directness and I agree it's best at Thermae. The one time I wasn't entirely clear upfront about what I was looking with a girl from Thermae it was an argument on services. Totally kills the mood.

I'm staying at JW in nana in few weeks and need some variety from past trips. I'm not a big gogo guy as its too hyped, transactional and commercialized. T-Ded sounds like more like overall better time for gogo. But I'm reading it's not really for farang's on holiday. Mostly all thai guys. True? I speak only basic thai words like "Hello," "thank you"; and don't need thai guys harassing me as a white guy going to their bar. Also wondering how far from soi 4 by taxi. Says 8 miles but that can be an hour + in BKK.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2986390]I know your opinion reigns here.

Additionally, I find your depiction of "Crazy House" as an upscale establishment to be disingenous, and assume that you are a local guide with a kickback sort of setup. Which is fine. I mean no offense. That being said, I was told that black guys and Indian guys are going to have a difficult go of it at Thermae, from the women I spoke to directly on this issue. Not trying to subvert your opinion, just offering a little dissent with mine, because Thermae ain't no thing if you play your cards right.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, my opinion definitely does not reign here.

Secondly, what are you going on about? In the post that you quoted me on, I said very clearly I never went into Crazy House as I had spent too much time there recently and I have never depicted it as an upscale establishment and the fact that you think I an a tour guide getting a kick back from Crazy House is laughable. I never even reported on it in the post you quoted me on and my previous reports on it never depicted it as an upscale establishment. Also I posted my observation on Thermae on one given night. Meaning that another person on a different night or even the same night may observe something different. Your post is very strange to me and I really don't even get what you are going going on about. Anyways, as I said before, I'm glad you are killing it at Theemae. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2986390]Bud, I'm going to have to disagree as to my experience as a western white dude who has gone to Thermae 5 nights in a row. I know your opinion reigns here, but I'm just not seeing how you could even sit in a single place or circle around and deduce that "only about 10% were acknowledging the western guys. " That ain't true in my experience, and I think it's a disingenuous survey of the situation there. I actually spoke to every woman I took from Thermae about this issue. Plenty are willing to go with white guys. Plenty of women there smiled back at me, as a 6 foot plus, well dressed, decent looking guy. Perspective is a funny thing, you have to be open that there is a limitation to what an observer can assess in an empirical approach to a social science observation. I would say that roughly 25% percent of the women there smiled back at me, and I would also say, the female species, not being known for their prowess in confrontation, being eye contact or whatever, had I stopped and talked to every woman there, I could probably swing leaving with 50 percent of what was available. I've known this 'secret" about ALL women for decades, just nut up and go and talk to them with zero fear, and watch what happens, because you never know till you try. Additionally, I find your depiction of "Crazy House" as an upscale establishment to be disingenous, and assume that you are a local guide with a kickback sort of setup. Which is fine. I mean no offense. That being said, I was told that black guys and Indian guys are going to have a difficult go of it at Thermae, from the women I spoke to directly on this issue. Not trying to subvert your opinion, just offering a little dissent with mine, because Thermae ain't no thing if you play your cards right.[/QUOTE]Any non-asian or non-white dude in Thermae is going to have difficulty grabbing a girl.

90% of the girls there smile at me and I'm no prize. Any white guy that goes there is going to be smile that by 90% of the girls.

Your report is realistic, excellent and on point.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2986429]Check out street girls on Soi 4 Jan 2025.

Anything your heart desires, 1,500 Bahts.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPRIR2P5CdU[/URL][/QUOTE]Any close by recommendations. What's it look like between noon and 3 pm?

[QUOTE=Koryu;2986477]Do many of you go bb with the free lancers or other workers?

Or do you go bb after few visits with the same one?

I definitely can't but I want to know how common it is. I'm just worried of catching something even with protection, knowing my luck 😂 BBBJ are a necessity for me.[/QUOTE]Humans fuck and they do it without condoms. What difference would it make if you fucked a hooker the first time without a condom or the 30th time? She is not your personal hooker. She has other customers too.

Gentlemen,

For anyone that I have offeneded, I duly apologize. Especially EverythingThai. I essentially suffered a great familial loss while on this trip, and sort have been bouncing back and forth between this hostile and irritable monster, and then the down-trodden feeling, or "black dog. " The switches are rapid. I know this is a forum of sharing reports and will try my best to stick to that. I thought maybe I could kind of drown this loss by getting out there and trying to make the best of the trip and coming here and posting a bunch to get my mind off of things. Anyway, its inexcusable to be throwing around basesless accusations on a platform where people can't defend themselves in person. I can't say it won't happen again, as my black dog comes and goes as it pleases, as does the irritable, hostile, monster. I'm almost done here in Bangkok, and I believe my next adventure will be something like Azerbaijan, the home of my people so many thousands of years ago. Then I can actually start lending some "real" reports, like "going where no man has gone before, haha" Anyhoo, there it is, that's my apology and thanks for all of your help on this adventure. And believe you me, one day I will find a Stella, and I will enter her.

Thank you, and best regards.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2986644]Gentlemen,

For anyone that I have offeneded, I duly apologize. Especially EverythingThai. I essentially suffered a great familial loss while on this trip, and sort have been bouncing back and forth between this hostile and irritable monster, and then the down-trodden feeling, or "black dog. " The switches are rapid. I know this is a forum of sharing reports and will try my best to stick to that. I thought maybe I could kind of drown this loss by getting out there and trying to make the best of the trip and coming here and posting a bunch to get my mind off of things. Anyway, its inexcusable to be throwing around basesless accusations on a platform where people can't defend themselves in person. I can't say it won't happen again, as my black dog comes and goes as it pleases, as does the irritable, hostile, monster. I'm almost done here in Bangkok, and I believe my next adventure will be something like Azerbaijan, the home of my people so many thousands of years ago. Then I can actually start lending some "real" reports, like "going where no man has gone before, haha" Anyhoo, there it is, that's my apology and thanks for all of your help on this adventure. And believe you me, one day I will find a Stella, and I will enter her.

Thank you, and best regards.[/QUOTE]No need to apologize mate. Crack on. I personally really like your reports. Especially on thermae. You struggled it the start and now you navigate it as a pro. Keep reporting and commenting.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2986526]White and Brown dudes looking lost at Thermae is funny. I was there 3-4 times last year and never really noticed the crowd I was just focused on the girl pool, and was never there more then 10-15 minutes as I found what I wanted and off we go. If I go this trip I'll have to go slower and just observe. I do like your directness and I agree it's best at Thermae. The one time I wasn't entirely clear upfront about what I was looking with a girl from Thermae it was an argument on services. Totally kills the mood.

I'm staying at JW in nana in few weeks and need some variety from past trips. I'm not a big gogo guy as its too hyped, transactional and commercialized. T-Ded sounds like more like overall better time for gogo. But I'm reading it's not really for farang's on holiday. Mostly all thai guys. True? I speak only basic thai words like "Hello," "thank you"; and don't need thai guys harassing me as a white guy going to their bar. Also wondering how far from soi 4 by taxi. Says 8 miles but that can be an hour + in BKK.[/QUOTE]More and more foreign guys are going into T-Ded 99 these days. Ask for Khun Nut and Aimelss also has a guy there that helps him. Your first visit there will a little overwhelming but once you get used to the culture shock, you will end up loving it.

Here are some ideas to change up your routine for your next trip.

1. T-Ded 99.

2. Patpong go go bars.

3. Clubs like Mixx and Levels.

4. Bars and massage on Soi 22.

5. The pimp club.

6. Massage places on Ratchada and Rama 9.

7. RCA bars and massage.

8. Thonglor Soi 10 clubs.

9. Massage shops on Soi 23.

These are all places not talked about too much on ISG. T-Ded is now getting a lot of traction though.

I know how you feel about the usual haunts getting old. Soi 4, nana plaza, Thermae, and Soi Cowboy. Same shit different day.

Last night I hit up a little karaoke bar in my neighborhood geared towards Thai men. Let me tell you, it was well worth it. So next time some of you expats are strolling around in your neighborhood and you see a small bar or karaoke, go in and check it out. You may find a gem. I got my bill at the end of the night for 4000 Baht. This included the use of the VIP room, a bottle of red label and the company of 2 sexy ladies who took care of me very well for 4 hours. It was like a mini Pattaya gents club in da room. Love it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2986635]Humans fuck and they do it without condoms. What difference would it make if you fucked a hooker the first time without a condom or the 30th time? She is not your personal hooker. She has other customers too.[/QUOTE]For the love of all that is holy, humans fuck, and this whole world spins forward by humans continuing to fuck without condoms. I coudn't agree more! A man should never have to defend or equivocate why he wants, and in my opinion NEEDS, to dump loads in a wet vagina, it's a primal biological drive, end of discussion. So to any forum members who have a problem with it, I dunno, you do you, and I'll keep being a human being while you sip on your copium.

Couldn't agree with Mr. Enternational more here. EVERY woman allows a guy to bareback her at somepoint, only question is will it be you under your current set of cicrcumstances. Don't fool yourself, you've gone on a date with a civillian woman at somepoint who made you wear a condom (happens to us all) only to let a "Chad" fuck her raw the next night knowing she won't ever hear from him again. Most women think some 10/10 billionaire prince charming is what they deserve, and are stupidly waiting for. I'm a bit of a misogynist I suppose, but I would just call it being a realist. When it comes to paying women for BBFS however, I try to be very respectful, I refuse to try and strong arm a woman into BBFS with money. I will offer extra money if she initially declines BBFS, but if I can tell she is under any sort of duress I drop the topic or session. Same goes for the CIP thing, that's what I want, but like I'm not going to demand it in an ungentlemanly fashion.

There's always a delay to my posts due to being needed to be "reviewed," but I made a post about how essentially as an elder-millenial, and previous generations as well, we were flat out LIED to as to the risks and probability of pregnancy and contraction of diseases with unprotected sex. I was basically taught you will one hundred percent get a woman pregnant on the first time of unportected sex, and if someone has an STD you will one hundred percent catch it from a single encounter. I was taught this in sex ed as a child. It's fucking abusive to mislead a developing mind that way. I'm not saying go out there and bareback everything in sight, let me tell yah having Chlamydia and Gonorhea at the same time fucking sucked (only thing I've gotten in years of mongering,) but I deserved it dumping a load into a rough looking but hot little number from Talisay. Just live your life man, and accept the consequences, it's all random, and it's scary, but don't waste it listening to the chatter of your youth. End rant, haha.

So, I gots some questions as to the pricing with Soi 4 walkers, and of course, me looking like a 6 foot plus stork walking around like the most obvious tourist you've ever seen. Still dressed to impress and clean cut, but I know what I look like and the sort of response it gets with these ladies (let's drain this bozo of his money).

Anyhoo, I am get quoted, the exact same amount from these Soi 4 girls that I weed out as looking just as good as the ones I find in Thermae, but they are also quoting me the same exact number I get quoted in Thermae! 3 K for short time. It's not a bad deal, but I here you guys are left and right pulling these honeys for 1,500 Baht. I'm not a bargain hunter and don't like to haggle, so it's not the end of the world, but are these Soi 4 sweeties just taking me for a ride with the 3 K request?

Short field report. Upon returning to Soi 4 many nights to see what was out and about I recant my previous opinion that there isn't talent worth taking from there. The first one was vietnamese, early 20's, tiny frame, enhanced breasts (why do they ALL have to have fake boobs, just keep your A sized boobs, you weigh 100 pounds for the love of god you look fine! So she had some large be salad bowls bolted on, which again is disappointing when the clothes come off. Maybe I will start requesting a short and discreet squeeze of the goods for 50 Baht before I consider taking one next time, I digress. I requested BBFS, and she agreed somewhat reluctantly, but asked that I finish outside, which is fine. I will say that little hotel that's 300 baht is not my favorite place to go inside, but its whatevs. We shower up real quick, she gives me a blowjob to the degree I'm assuming she's never watched porn before AT ALL, anyway, who cares because the main course is coming up. Haha, I'm getting all excited typing this just thinking about it, plowing away in that sweet ravine as god intended, and then unfortunately withdrawing to blast as god did not intend, LOL. Perfect session. Total damage 3 K, plus 300 for the room, and I let her keep the 700 Baht in change. She was a serious cutie, so I felt I got my moneys worth.

Second girl I took, who knows what nationality, probably Thai, don't really care. Early 20's, again probably 100 pounds, light skinned, and again you guessed it: 3 K Baht requested right out of the gate and I just don't have it in me to haggle with a young sweet thing over 45 USD extra over market value as discussed here (1500 Baht). So off we go to that hotel I'm not a fan of for 300 baht, (whatever, maybe that's just the dumb tourist price don't' care). This one wants to use a condom, I offered 1000 baht extra but she declined, so I let her blow me raw for an extra long time (by that I mean 5 minutes for me, haha) then I suited up and pumped away. She was cool with the whole hand on the throat jazz, which I'm super into, and she was like a champ trying to getting into any position I wanted as fast as possible. I guess that probably behooves her in her line of work, "let's get this guy to cum as quick as possible. " A very nice girl, she took care of me. So again 3 K Baht, 300 for the hotel, and to her the 700 in change.

If I was still in a hotel close to Thermae, I would just keep going there honestly, but I really wanted to explore as many avenues as possible here, "street meat" being one of them. I still can't bring myself to enjoy the Soi Cowboy, Crazy House, etc. Model of taking women. I fucking hate it. I tried to walk up to a girl on Soi Cowboy and basically just say, hey you're fucking hot let's do this, some woman comes over who I guess was the "mamasan" or whatever, and was just seemingly doing everything in her power to not communicate well and throw a wrench in my plan of trying to pay a sex worker for money, like seriuosly, god damn. I'll pay the fucking barfine, I'll pay for some drinks I won't even drink, whatever, "I want boom boom with you" - hot girl nods yes. Mamasan is just completely confused by this and I tell her "I pay, how much, go inside?" "Barfine how much?" Hot girl is obviously not free to make her own decisions despite her grabbing my arm and stopping me to say Hello, to her. I literally got my wad of money out like a fucking chump and was like "have money, will pay" and mamasan is again just not doing anything to usher my very obvious request into a financially beneficial situation for her and this poor girl who missed out. Where did I go wrong, I dunno, but Soi Cowboy just seems like an unecessary shit show for me at least. I've got shit to do. I want to find a girl, offer her some money, shower up, fuck, shower again, say a quick goodbye while we both dress with some light chit-chat, and be on my way. I suppose that's not happening there. Ugh, I'm ranting again.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2986710]No need to apologize mate. Crack on. I personally really like your reports. Especially on thermae. You struggled it the start and now you navigate it as a pro. Keep reporting and commenting.[/QUOTE]No worries at all mate! I will crack on, and thank you for the wonderfully accurate info of both Thermae and Crazy House of which you seem to be such an authority on. I would hate for someone to hold a grudge, and let it fester in them, planning some sort of secret scheme to attack at a later date, or otherwise acting like a woman. Whereas, I try to apologize, and deal with my feelings in a direct manner, addressing grievances truthfully and straightforwardly. I think I have Bangkok down at this point, so thank you for all of your valuable insights to date!

Let's see what to report on now, oh yeah, Thermae is very easily accessed by white guys, despite whatever chatter you might hear. 3 K seems to be a good entry level starting point for discussions of ST, and the price goes up from there for special requests BBFS, and LT, and such. You know, after I have gone straight to the "source" or talking to the actual women about how Thermae works, instead of the opinion of some woman whom I'm not sure has even been inside there. That's my report for the day.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2986972]Second girl I took, who knows what nationality, probably Thai, don't really care. Early 20's, again probably 100 pounds, light skinned, and again you guessed it: 3 K Baht requested right out of the gate and I just don't have it in me to haggle with a young sweet thing over 45 USD extra over market value as discussed here (1500 Baht). So off we go to that hotel I'm not a fan of for 300 baht, (whatever, maybe that's just the dumb tourist price don't' care). This one wants to use a condom, I offered 1000 baht extra but she declined, so I let her blow me raw for an extra long time (by that I mean 5 minutes for me, haha) then I suited up and pumped away.

If I was still in a hotel close to Thermae, I would just keep going there honestly, but I really wanted to explore as many avenues as possible here, "street meat" being one of them. I still can't bring myself to enjoy the Soi Cowboy, Crazy House, etc. Model of taking women. I fucking hate it. I tried to walk up to a girl on Soi Cowboy and basically just say, hey you're fucking hot let's do this, some woman comes over who I guess was the "mamasan" or whatever, and was just seemingly doing everything in her power to not communicate well and throw a wrench in my plan of trying to pay a sex worker for money, like seriuosly, god damn.[/QUOTE]Yeah the mamasans are robots and dictatorial. Go outside their stated "routine" of actually going into the bar, buying girl drinks and then negotiating they take a hissy fit like you're some sort of criminal. Some girls are like that too. Particularly in massage shops. Don't follow their massage routine then it's like you committed murder.

Curious, you negotiated BBFS with girl 1 on street, but did not with girl 2 until hotel. Was she giving you a submissive vibe on the street so you didn't think it would be an issue?

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2987074]Yeah the mamasans are robots and dictatorial. Go outside their stated "routine" of actually going into the bar, buying girl drinks and then negotiating they take a hissy fit like you're some sort of criminal. Some girls are like that too. Particularly in massage shops. Don't follow their massage routine then it's like you committed murder.

Curious, you negotiated BBFS with girl 1 on street, but did not with girl 2 until hotel. Was she giving you a submissive vibe on the street so you didn't think it would be an issue?[/QUOTE]So yes, essentially the girl that I got BBFS just kinda seemed more easy to negotiate with and submissive right from the start, some people are just easy to deal with and I feel like I can just go with it. She seemed a bit dismayed at first at my request of BBFS, but I think her concerns were more fear of prenancy than anything else, which is understandable for a young woman. I was happy to oblige her request to pull out for the pop. I don't know how to put this mildly, so I will just say it, I'm not sure that her education level would have allowed her to understand that I have a vasectomy, or what a vasectomy even is or a possible reality in her world, and thusly I can't have kids. I told her I can't have kids to make it simple, but still no CIP, no big deal. And honestly, I'm still getting my "sea-legs" here in Bangkok, I'm a bit of a mess socially, as has become painfully obvious on this forum, but such is life.

Girl 2, was a hustler, should have put that in the report but I figured since there's no way to really "identify" these girls in a way to where one of you gents could find them and have a go, I left that part out. Walking to the hotel, suddenly she's facetiming some girl who shows up in I shit you not 15 seconds fucking flat. And they start trying to pull this let's have a threesome jazz. I wasn't born yesterday, no fucking way. I was mildly annoyed at this point. So honestly, after that, it's not like I was happy to "suit up" but we're obviously dealing with a harderned pro here, so a condom insn't the worst idea in the world I thought, and her head game was on point so I chalked it up to a "win" even sans BBFS.

Thanks for the insights on the whole mamamsan jazz. That's exactly how I felt, like I just want to fuck this woman and I have money can we make this happen? I am willing to pay whatever the standard rate is. Nope, this mamasan wasn't having it so I just walked away, obviously annoyed, and I bet she could give a fuck less and thought I was being an arrogant asshole. It was going fine until she showed up, the girl I was into was hot, and was like "yeah, boom boom, we go. " Oh well.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2986972]I still can't bring myself to enjoy the Soi Cowboy, Crazy House, etc. Model of taking women. I fucking hate it. I tried to walk up to a girl on Soi Cowboy and basically just say, hey you're fucking hot let's do this, some woman comes over who I guess was the "mamasan" or whatever, and was just seemingly doing everything in her power to not communicate well and throw a wrench in my plan of trying to pay a sex worker for money, like seriuosly, god damn. I'll pay the fucking barfine, I'll pay for some drinks I won't even drink, whatever, "I want boom boom with you" - hot girl nods yes. Mamasan is just completely confused by this and I tell her "I pay, how much, go inside?" "Barfine how much?" Hot girl is obviously not free to make her own decisions despite her grabbing my arm and stopping me to say Hello, to her. I literally got my wad of money out like a fucking chump and was like "have money, will pay" and mamasan is again just not doing anything to usher my very obvious request into a financially beneficial situation for her and this poor girl who missed out. Where did I go wrong, I dunno, but Soi Cowboy just seems like an unecessary shit show for me at least. I've got shit to do. I want to find a girl, offer her some money, shower up, fuck, shower again, say a quick goodbye while we both dress with some light chit-chat, and be on my way. I suppose that's not happening there. Ugh, I'm ranting again.[/QUOTE]To get a good experience, you need to adjust to where you are, and show some respect to the people here who know better than you (Mr. Enternational, Nyezhov, etc.), and can offer you some tips if they bother spending the time to write it.

I'm sure you've heard the expression "when in Rome ..." Maybe you can go in to a go-go bar and go out with a girl without paying for a drink, but before you can do that you need to understand how things normally work there. When learning to drive, you need to do things by the book. After enough experience, you start adjusting and understand how and when you can break the rules.

In Thailand, after you enter a go-go, if you're going to say much more than "Hello, how are you, short-time with you how much?*" to a girl, it is expected you buy both her and yourself a drink. She and the bar make money from that, and the girl normally also has a quota of "lady drinks" she needs to sell every month, or it will be deducted from her salary. During that one drink, which costs around 200-250 baht, you evaluate her. Some go-go bars have a scam going where they make you pay for two drinks. One with the alcohol, and one for mixing. Like "whiskey coke" is actually a glass of whiskey, and a separate glass of coke at these places. If they try that, tell them "one drink only". During the drink you chat and fondle the girl a bit, figuring out if you want her to go with you or not. Then you pay the barfine at the bar, ignoring any requests for buying one more drink unless you want to, and pay the girl at your place /after/ you have finished banging her.

There are other places where you can "point and shoot", but go-go bars are not it, and so you need to adjust. Maybe you can take the go-go girl out without buying a drink if you're quick, know what you're doing, and the girl and mamasan also agree you know what you're doing, but then, in addition to coming off as a bit original, you'll be paying 1000+ in barefine, then 3000+ for short-time, plus taxi, plus having spent an hour+ going to the go-go bars, finding your girl, and back to your cave in the hills. All that without having much of an idea of whether the girl you choose is overly drunk, crazy, an annoying idiot, a cold fish, someone who thinks you are disgusting but she will fuck you with a minimal performance anyway, or something else that would have made you change your mind had you spent 5-10 minutes and 250 baht on having a drink with her.

I see the drink price of 250 thb as the price I have to pay to reduce the chance of 30 minutes later feeling I wasted 4,000+ and an evening. That's why I'd only skip the drink it if it was a girl I already knew, but in that case I'd just invite her over before or after work via private messages instead, saving both the price of the barfine and getting a cheaper rate for the short-time.

And stay away from the arab's bar on Soi cowboy.

*I recommend asking this before buying the drink only because some go-go bars, for some reason, have girls who do not go with customers. Or as has happened with me, the girl is on her period that night. 10 minutes later, she will not care or remember she already told you her price, and you can instead suggest a different price yourself if you want.

Seems like you are using this forum for your therapy.

RTFF and you will know what you did wrong!! Very much possible that you are making all these encounters (as lot of members see your inaccuracies) or you have some real issues (as you said yourself).

In short keep your shit together. This ain't your therapy session.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2986972]So, I gots some questions as to the pricing with Soi 4 walkers, and of course, me looking like a 6 foot plus stork walking around like the most obvious tourist you've ever seen. Still dressed to impress and clean cut, but I know what I look like and the sort of response it gets with these ladies (let's drain this bozo of his money).

Anyhoo, I am get quoted, the exact same amount from these Soi 4 girls that I weed out as looking just as good as the ones I find in Thermae, but they are also quoting me the same exact number I get quoted in Thermae! 3 K for short time. It's not a bad deal, but I here you guys are left and right pulling these honeys for 1,500 Baht. I'm not a bargain hunter and don't like to haggle, so it's not the end of the world, but are these Soi 4 sweeties just taking me for a ride with the 3 K request?

Short field report. Upon returning to Soi 4 many nights to see what was out and about I recant my previous opinion that there isn't talent worth taking from there. The first one was vietnamese, early 20's, tiny frame, enhanced breasts (why do they ALL have to have fake boobs, just keep your A sized boobs, you weigh 100 pounds for the love of god you look fine! So she had some large be salad bowls bolted on, which again is disappointing when the clothes come off. Maybe I will start requesting a short and discreet squeeze of the goods for 50 Baht before I consider taking one next time, I digress. I requested BBFS, and she agreed somewhat reluctantly, but asked that I finish outside, which is fine. I will say that little hotel that's 300 baht is not my favorite place to go inside, but its whatevs. We shower up real quick, she gives me a blowjob to the degree I'm assuming she's never watched porn before AT ALL, anyway, who cares because the main course is coming up. Haha, I'm getting all excited typing this just thinking about it, plowing away in that sweet ravine as god intended, and then unfortunately withdrawing to blast as god did not intend, LOL. Perfect session. Total damage 3 K, plus 300 for the room, and I let her keep the 700 Baht in change. She was a serious cutie, so I felt I got my moneys worth.

Second girl I took, who knows what nationality, probably Thai, don't really care. Early 20's, again probably 100 pounds, light skinned, and again you guessed it: 3 K Baht requested right out of the gate and I just don't have it in me to haggle with a young sweet thing over 45 USD extra over market value as discussed here (1500 Baht). So off we go to that hotel I'm not a fan of for 300 baht, (whatever, maybe that's just the dumb tourist price don't' care). This one wants to use a condom, I offered 1000 baht extra but she declined, so I let her blow me raw for an extra long time (by that I mean 5 minutes for me, haha) then I suited up and pumped away. She was cool with the whole hand on the throat jazz, which I'm super into, and she was like a champ trying to getting into any position I wanted as fast as possible. I guess that probably behooves her in her line of work, "let's get this guy to cum as quick as possible. " A very nice girl, she took care of me. So again 3 K Baht, 300 for the hotel, and to her the 700 in change.

If I was still in a hotel close to Thermae, I would just keep going there honestly, but I really wanted to explore as many avenues as possible here, "street meat" being one of them. I still can't bring myself to enjoy the Soi Cowboy, Crazy House, etc. Model of taking women. I fucking hate it. I tried to walk up to a girl on Soi Cowboy and basically just say, hey you're fucking hot let's do this, some woman comes over who I guess was the "mamasan" or whatever, and was just seemingly doing everything in her power to not communicate well and throw a wrench in my plan of trying to pay a sex worker for money, like seriuosly, god damn. I'll pay the fucking barfine, I'll pay for some drinks I won't even drink, whatever, "I want boom boom with you" - hot girl nods yes. Mamasan is just completely confused by this and I tell her "I pay, how much, go inside?" "Barfine how much?" Hot girl is obviously not free to make her own decisions despite her grabbing my arm and stopping me to say Hello, to her. I literally got my wad of money out like a fucking chump and was like "have money, will pay" and mamasan is again just not doing anything to usher my very obvious request into a financially beneficial situation for her and this poor girl who missed out. Where did I go wrong, I dunno, but Soi Cowboy just seems like an unecessary shit show for me at least. I've got shit to do. I want to find a girl, offer her some money, shower up, fuck, shower again, say a quick goodbye while we both dress with some light chit-chat, and be on my way. I suppose that's not happening there. Ugh, I'm ranting again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2987154]To get a good experience, you need to adjust to where you are, and show some respect to the people here who know better than you (Mr. Enternational, Nyezhov, etc.), and can offer you some tips if they bother spending the time to write it.

I'm sure you've heard the expression "when in Rome ..." Maybe you can go in to a go-go bar and go out with a girl without paying for a drink, but before you can do that you need to understand how things normally work there. When learning to drive, you need to do things by the book. After enough experience, you start adjusting and understand how and when you can break the rules.

In Thailand, after you enter a go-go, if you're going to say much more than "Hello, how are you, short-time with you how much?*" to a girl, it is expected you buy both her and yourself a drink. She and the bar make money from that, and the girl normally also has a quota of "lady drinks" she needs to sell every month, or it will be deducted from her salary. During that one drink, which costs around 200-250 baht, you evaluate her. Some go-go bars have a scam going where they make you pay for two drinks. One with the alcohol, and one for mixing. Like "whiskey coke" is actually a glass of whiskey, and a separate glass of coke at these places. If they try that, tell them "one drink only". During the drink you chat and fondle the girl a bit, figuring out if you want her to go with you or not. Then you pay the barfine at the bar, ignoring any requests for buying one more drink unless you want to, and pay the girl at your place /after/ you have finished banging her.

There are other places where you can "point and shoot", but go-go bars are not it, and so you need to adjust. Maybe you can take the go-go girl out without buying a drink if you're quick, know what you're doing, and the girl and mamasan also agree you know what you're doing, but then, in addition to coming off as a bit original, you'll be paying 1000+ in barefine, then 3000+ for short-time, plus taxi, plus having spent an hour+ going to the go-go bars, finding your girl, and back to your cave in the hills. All that without having much of an idea of whether the girl you choose is overly drunk, crazy, an annoying idiot, a cold fish, someone who thinks you are disgusting but she will fuck you with a minimal performance anyway, or something else that would have made you change your mind had you spent 5-10 minutes and 250 baht on having a drink with her.

I see the drink price of 250 thb as the price I have to pay to reduce the chance of 30 minutes later feeling I wasted 4,000+ and an evening. That's why I'd only skip the drink it if it was a girl I already knew, but in that case I'd just invite her over before or after work via private messages instead, saving both the price of the barfine and getting a cheaper rate for the short-time.

And stay away from the arab's bar on Soi cowboy.

*I recommend asking this before buying the drink only because some go-go bars, for some reason, have girls who do not go with customers. Or as has happened with me, the girl is on her period that night. 10 minutes later, she will not care or remember she already told you her price, and you can instead suggest a different price yourself if you want.[/QUOTE]That's a great walkthrough / overview and will employ that upon my next return. As far as giving my respect to the "greats" or otherwise, those who have been reknowned here to have trod upon these paths I wish to travel so many times before I, I couldn't agree more. I'm going to limit myself in the future on this forum, to trying to give factual reports, and hopefully lending actionable information when I can. For example, I believe I learned on the trip a method for telling if a woman is a genetic woman or not quickly by just inspecting her foreram quickly for a distinct variation in "carrying angle. " This can be done while saying "Hello," to a respective streetwalker, go go, or whatever. I know you may have 100 percent ladyboy detection, but I would rate mine at a 99%, because I took one from Soi 4, and right before we enter that ol' 300 Baht hotel, I ask her "are you ladyboy. " She blew the fuck up! She started demanding 100 Baht, because I was now, no longer interested for having made her walk, I dunno 50 yards, and wasting 2 minutes of her time. Funny thing I probably would have thrown "her," or him a 500 baht not for my inability to tell the differnce if "she" hadn't grown so irrate so quickly. I hear two different stories about ladyboy's here, story one is that they will alll warn you that is what they are, story 2 is watch the fuck out for ladyboys paradaing as genetic women. The one that I grabbed, seemed all woman to me. I have no defense, not to tall, no adams apple, normal voice, effeminate body, the list goes on. Heavy makeup though, realy fucking heavy makeup, maybe that should have been a warning. I just wish that these transgender women, can accept that, most straight males (I don't really care about labels, just trying to hint at a "truth") are not interested in sleeping with a transsexual, I know that I am not. Oh well, yet another mistake, but seeing as I have met just one lovely ladly here, that I will see as long as she cares to upon my subsequent returns, I'm happy! Thanks agian, and I will try my best to be respectful to all here going on, and hope that I can gain respect in kind over the years. Cheers. That is is I don't get banneed in the next 24 hours for some wild ranting in the rant section. Fingers crossed.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2987154]To get a good experience, you need to adjust to where you are....[/QUOTE]Wow, that's some seriously good advice / info. Thanks for posting it.

I really appreciate the beginners guide on the PIMP. I plan to hit it up mid March on my next visit. I know it's important to have a good Mamasan or manager to take care of you at these kinds of establishments. It's been a while since I've hit the strip clubs in Houston but when I used to have a good waitress that you could count on always paid off. Is there any recommended Mamasan or Manager to reach out to when visiting the PIMP? Obviously the key is taking care of them to make sure one gets taken care of by them.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2984860]Before I get started: The Pimp in Bangkok is very different from the gentlemens clubs in Pattaya, both in atmosphere and how the girls interact. In Pattaya, clubs tend to be more relaxed, with a focus on immediate intimacy girls are often more forward, and bar fines are openly discussed. The Pimp, on the other hand, operates more like an upscale VIP party lounge, where the focus is on drinking, socializing, and having fun with beautiful hostesses rather than outright negotiations. While flirting, lap-sitting, and light touching are common inside, its not a gogo bar where girls can be taken out easily. Any after-hours arrangements are more discreet and depend on the girls interest, rather than a set bar fine system. The experience at The Pimp is more about creating a high-end, playful party vibe rather than instant gratification.


The Pimp Club is one of Bangkok's most high-end and well-known gentlemen's clubs. It's a mix of a party lounge and a VIP club, where men can enjoy private rooms, premium drinks, and the company of attractive Thai hostesses. The club is known for its lively atmosphere, good music, and a reputation for being one of the top spots for entertainment of this kind in Bangkok.

Getting There.

The Pimp is located in Town in Town, which is slightly outside central Bangkok. Since it's not near a BTS or MRT station, here are the best ways to reach it:

Bolt or Grab Taxi: The most convenient option. Just enter "The Pimp Bangkok" as your destination. Expect to pay 150-300 THB depending on traffic and starting location.

BTS Yellow Line: Get off at Lat Phrao Station, then take a short taxi or Bolt (10-15 minutes).

MRT Blue Line: Get off at Lat Phrao MRT Station and grab a taxi from there.

Airport Rail Link: The closest station is Ramkhamhaeng, but you'll need a taxi from there (15-20 minutes).

Motorbike Taxi: If you're coming from a nearby area, this can be a faster option in traffic.

Tip: Since Town in Town isn't a tourist area, some taxi drivers may try to overcharge. Use Grab or Bolt for a fair price.

Pricing System & Budgeting.

Unlike standard bars or gogo clubs, The Pimp operates on a bottle-service system, meaning you need to buy a bottle of alcohol to get a table and enjoy the company of girls.

Basic Costs:

Entry: Free, but a bottle purchase is required for a table.

Bottles: Start from 4,000-5,000 THB (whiskey, vodka, gin, etc.). Higher-end bottles go up to 30,000+ THB. You can prepay for a membership that can be used over a period of time, which include bottles and bottles can be stored.! You can also buy sets with alcohol and snack foods and some other Thai food and western style snacks.

Mixers: Usually included.

Hostesses:

Per drink: 300-500 THB per lady per drink.

Sitting Fee: 1,500- 2,500 THB per girl to stay with you for the night.

Lady drinks rack up fast, so keep track if you're on a budget.

VIP & Private Rooms:

For more privacy and a better experience:

Small VIP Room: 10,000- 15,000 THB minimum spend.

Large VIP Room: 30,000+ THB minimum spend.

Budget Suggestion:

Minimum for a good experience: 6,000- 10,000 THB.

VIP night with 2-3 girls: 15,000+ THB.

High-roller experience: 30,000+ THB for a private room and top-tier girls.

The Girls & Hostess Quality.

Pimp is known for high-end girls, many of whom are above average in looks compared to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy bars.

Girl Quality & Categories:

1. Regular Hostesses (Standard Tier): Cute, friendly, and flirty. Usually mid-tier looks.

2. Top-tier Girls: Models, influencers, and Instagram-type girls. Expect a higher sitting fee and more expensive drinks.

3. University Girls: Many work part-time to fund their education. Often shy at first but warm up quickly.

Most girls are in their early to mid-20's, with a few younger or older ones mixed in. They dress elegantly, and unlike gogo bars, they aren't dancing on poles it's more about companionship and the vibe. However, there is live music and many of the top tier girls are dancing on stage doing sexy shows.

The Naughty Factor: How Wild Can It Get?

Inside the Club:

The Pimp isn't a gogo bar, but it's not just a drinking club either it's a hybrid.

Some light touching and flirting are common, but the club has an elegant atmosphere.

If you book a VIP room, you'll get more privacy, and things can get wilder inside.

After the Club:

Taking a girl out ("Freelance Option") depends on the girl. Some will, some won't.

Negotiations are not openly done in the club, but girls will hint at their availability.

Usual Costs: Expect 5,000- 10,000+ THB if a girl agrees to go with you after the club.

Final Tips for a Great Experience.

✔ Go with a group if possible it makes the party vibe better and costs can be split.

✔ Pick your bottle wisely some are much better value than others.

✔ Be clear with the mamasan (hostess manager) about what kind of girls you prefer.

✔ Don't overspend too fast lady drinks add up, and so do hostess sitting fees.

✔ Use VIP rooms for more fun better privacy and control over the atmosphere.

✔ Be respectful to the girls many are working to support themselves through school.

✔ If a girl likes you, you'll know the best connections happen naturally.

Final Verdict.

The Pimp is one of Bangkok's best high-end gentlemen's clubs, offering a premium experience, great-looking girls, and a stylish environment. It's not the cheapest place, but if you have the budget and know how to navigate the pricing, it can be a fantastic night out.

Would I recommend it? Yes, if you're looking for a classy but fun night in Bangkok with top-tier hostesses.

How to Dress.

While The Pimp is a fun and lively venue, it also has a high-end and stylish atmosphere, so dressing well will enhance your experience and help you make a better impression.

Dress Code Basics.

The Pimp is not a nightclub with a strict dress code, but it is an upscale gentlemen's club. Aim for a smart-casual to semi-formal look to blend in with the VIP vibe.

What to Wear (Recommended Outfits for Men).

✔ Smart Casual (Minimum Standard).

Polo shirt or button-down shirt.

Dark jeans or well-fitted chinos.

Loafers, clean sneakers, or dress shoes.

✔ Semi-Formal / VIP Look (Best for a Great Impression).

Fitted button-down shirt (long or short sleeve).

Slim-fit trousers or dark-colored jeans.

Blazer or stylish jacket (optional but looks great).

Leather dress shoes, loafers, or stylish sneakers.

✔ High-Roller Look (If You Want to Stand Out).

Designer or well-fitted dress shirt.

Tailored blazer or suit jacket.

High-end jeans or dress pants.

Luxury loafers or dress shoes.

What to Avoid (Don't Wear This).

✔ Flip-flops or sandals Not allowed for men.

✔ Tank tops, gym wear, or sleeveless shirts.

✔ Ripped or baggy jeans, sweatpants, or cargo pants.

✔ Dirty, old sneakers or cheap plastic sandals.

✔ Overly flashy or loud outfits (you want to look classy, not tacky).

Tip: If you're coming from a casual outing and wearing shorts or sandals, bring a change of clothes, or you might be denied entry.

Why Dressing Well Matters.

The girls take you more seriously Well-dressed men attract better attention.

Helps you blend into the VIP environment Looking the part improves your overall experience.

More respect from the staff The club caters to high-end clientele, and looking sharp gets you better service.

Confidence boost Dressing well puts you in the right mindset to enjoy the night.

Final Advice.

If in doubt, dress slightly better than you think you need to. A nice shirt, dark jeans, and good shoes will always work. You don't need a full suit, but looking clean, stylish, and put-together will ensure you have the best experience at The Pimp.

Pictures of some of the girls are attached. I had a great night with one but wont tell which one it was.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2984887]To go along with my below newbie guide, here is an older post that will give you a good idea about what to expect here. Enjoy.





Sorry for the late reply. I forgot I started a user blog and I didnt see your question. I will answer in the Bangkok thread for you to compliment this post and the newbie guide I posted below.


I have a girl there who always takes care of me so she knows what girls I like. Before I come in I call her and she arranges the line up for me to choose in line. I choose and then when I arrive, they are there waiting for me. I usually choose two or three. Then narrow it down to my choice at the end of the night. All the girls know this in advance and are cool with it. I choose the one I most vibe with and the other one or two are happy to of had the fun and drinking.[/QUOTE]

To Werweq:

I'm a one ladydrink guy, max 2, but 90% of my pulls over the past 15 years have been 1.

35 years ago, the girls would go out and keep drinking with you after you barfined them.

Now they rush to get back to the bar and get taken again LOL. So if you want a fresh, uncontaminated one that evening (hopefully she was sleeping and shopping till she went to work), Nana starts dancing at 8;30. The only ones there at 7 pm are the downstairs Ladyboys, the girls themselves don't start rolling in till 7:45, which is a great time to sit and smoke some doobies at the beer bar while the girls start running around.

[QUOTE=Overlord73;2987206]I really appreciate the beginners guide on the PIMP. I plan to hit it up mid March on my next visit. I know it's important to have a good Mamasan or manager to take care of you at these kinds of establishments. It's been a while since I've hit the strip clubs in Houston but when I used to have a good waitress that you could count on always paid off. Is there any recommended Mamasan or Manager to reach out to when visiting the PIMP? Obviously the key is taking care of them to make sure one gets taken care of by them.[/QUOTE]No problem. Unfortunately, for me to PM you, you will need a paid subscription. There is a "Click here to buy a Subscription” banner at the top of the forum. I can't post contact details here otherwise it will be deleted. After you sign up, PM me and I will pass the girls number and Line to you. No need to mention where you go it from.

My Bangkok trip is coming to an end, and it has been god damn awful, and amazing at the same time. All sorts of loss, lessons, gains, relationships, etc. You know, just living life while I still have it left to live.

On to the report: I have fallen prey to the most beautiful woman I could find from the Thermae crew. She actually kinda "saved" me last night as I was rabidly searching for a faceless male individual of whom I wish to have a face to face with, but that's another story, on another part of this forum. She was just like "stop, you're being crazy, And I guess I am. " I just like being around this woman. This will be my third night seeing her. Please, please, please treat her well if you pick her up from Thermae. I won't define her too specifically, and I think she is selective in whom she goes with, but she's an "8" for sure in my book, she instantly stands out in Thermae as one of the most beautiful women there, and she dresses like a lady, acts like a lady, etc. I suppose, at somepoint, some of us are going to be eskimo brothers, and well, that's just life. F it, she's got long dark hair, perfectly straightened. She wears black night gowns the times I have see her in Thermae. She is slender, with natural, small boobs that fit her frame perfectly. She has light-medium dark nipples, and just a perfect looking shaved pussy. Medium-light dark skin, and well, just a normal height for a woman in smallish heel's, could be 5'2" could be 5'6", I didn't break out my measuring tape.

The second night I saw her, last night, I suppose I was more comfortable with her this time, we spent a few hours together first drinking and laughing. I pounded the shit out of this sweet woman. I'm not one of these guys who talks big talk about sexual prowess, but the stars aligned that night, my mental chemicals were all firing perfectly, and it was an intense and perfect session that moved the bed over 3 feet to the right by the time we were done. Oh, the things money can buy.

The only negative to this woman is that she is super concerned about her own health and well being, because she's a smart cookie. So, covered blowjobs, covered sex, no DFK, etc. Though I'm hoping she'll warm up a bit more to me tonight! So, her ask was 4 K at Thermae, for her version of ST, which god damn, is a fucking steal in my opinion, and she's not a "clock watcher" she literally told me when I enquired about her services "roughly an hour to two hours. " Which by her standards, I believe means enough time to shower together, do all the fucking, shower again, chit chat, then bye bye. I was lucky enough to take her out afterwards the first night until it was time for us to part ways and go to sleep. As an aside, I don't take long to have sex. Sometimes it takes longer and I almost find it annoying, like I just want to cum and am starting to get tired of pumping away. While I know some gents pride themselves on their prowess to pound for 30 minutes straight, more power to you, I'm a 3-8 minute sort of guy. So ST is really all I am interested in anyway. This woman will really take care of you, and she's just lovely and speaks good English, and ugh, I am so glad I came to Bangkok, despite whatever tragedies and humiliations and defeats I have suffered during my time here. I will be coming back every year, that's for damn sure.

I will probably waltz through Thermae just one last time tonight, and I mean, it's always just a matter of time when you really want to find someone, there's always a trace, there's always a method. Might take me a few years, but I will find this "woman" at some point for a face to face! I feel like I've got one of those "faces," you know, that so easy to spot, the dead stair, the peacock neck, the towering height. Probably why I'm getting overquoted on Soi 4, but such is life. It's been a blast.

[QUOTE=Crater77;2987171]Seems like you are using this forum for your therapy.

RTFF and you will know what you did wrong!! Very much possible that you are making all these encounters (as lot of members see your inaccuracies) or you have some real issues (as you said yourself).

In short keep your shit together. This ain't your therapy session.[/QUOTE]I agree, and will try to conduct myself more appropriately. I got nothing else.

[QUOTE=Crater77;2987171]Seems like you are using this forum for your therapy.

RTFF and you will know what you did wrong!! Very much possible that you are making all these encounters (as lot of members see your inaccuracies) or you have some real issues (as you said yourself).

In short keep your shit together. This ain't your therapy session.[/QUOTE]What inaccuracies? As far as my reports go, I stand behind what I say, maybe I transposed a thing here or there. Like fore example negotiating BBFS before entering a hotel or after, but I mean, like memories aren't perfect. I will not be accused of providing inaccurate info as to my reports. Happy to fact check whatever, and if I fucked up in my recounting of something, um well, that's exactly the nature of being a human being, and also why "testimony" in a court of law is questionable as to be even allowed as evidence. Testimony is all we got though. Seriously, hit me with some inaccuracies, and I'll shoot them down one by one. God damn, I just can't win with you all. I'm trying here, so please, how have I been inaccurate?

I will keep my shit together, but why don't you back up that check your ass just wrote?

Ok you guys have offered info so now its my turn. This is my first time even looking so I wanted to start out with something basic.

Wood Bar was my first outing. Obviously some girls tried to pull me in but I caught eyes with a girl in the back who honestly was the only one to my liking. Petite spinner, guessing in her 30's but lots of make-up so maybe older. Paid 1000 up front. She was patient with me not knowing what to do. Had me undress then cleaned me up in the sink. Before she got started I wanted a make out session and she was rather eager for that. Soon she was on my lap. Lots of kissing, lots of touching. Oral skills were pretty good and I had been so busy leading up to the trip I didn't last too long. She soon asked if I wanted another shot. After some more kissing she went back down though after having just popped I held out until our time was up. Whole time she was rather enthusiastic. I think she said her name was Play but I won't ever be sure on names. I tipped an extra 100 because she probably could have called it after one shot. Personal complaint though, her make-up had glitter and it ended up all over me thanks to all the foreplay.

Most recent was hitting Crazy House, still on the low hanging fruit. I got there rather early, 7 or 8. Only 3 dancers on stage and only 1 was really dancing. Selection wasn't bad, but only one girl really caught my eye. I got there just as they were swapping over, easily half a dozen girls going up but if you ask me the quality took a hit. The best were still the same ballpark and not many of those. I flagged over the one I was looking at. She sat down, 400 for the lady drink and 20 for the girl who brought it out. Now I'm not great at small talk, its why I'm paying instead of hitting the clubs, so chemistry wasn't great but she wasn't shy about rubbing me as we sat. Said she could be taken out, it was not the smoothest communication. I went with ST to a nearby room. 3700 for the girl and barfine. Now here is where my lack of communication skills hurt, she walked me to the ST rooms, and seemed shocked when I dropped 450 for the room. I don't know if she was going to cover it, or part of it, but betting I made a mistake there.

I got undressed while she showered. She was more into kissing now that we were in the room. Played with her breasts as I wanted to take my time to avoid popping too quick. I brought a condom because I'm trying to be responsible here. She sucked me off for a bit then climbed atop. We went at it for a while, multiple positions. Seemed into it, good moaning but nothing over the top. Finished in mish. I wasn't paying attention to time so unsure how long it was but never got the sense she was in a hurry. Walked her back to Crazy House and made my way back. LT was 4000 something, 4500 I think. Didn't want to drag her all the way back and chemistry wasn't there enough I think all night would have been worthwhile. Maybe I should have anyways since the room was pretty close to that amount anyways. Oh well it was my first ever pull so I think a few mistakes are allowed.

Name I believe was Nok, said she was 30 from up north.

I might try one of the massage parlors tomorrow. Something different each day. If anyone has suggestions for those, ideally one I can just walk in and select a girl. Also might try a different gogo bar. I admit I was a bit worried about picking a ladyboy bar by mistake and end up with some awkwardness.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2987225]To Werweq:

I'm a one ladydrink guy, max 2, but 90% of my pulls over the past 15 years have been 1.

35 years ago, the girls would go out and keep drinking with you after you barfined them.

Now they rush to get back to the bar and get taken again LOL. So if you want a fresh, uncontaminated one that evening (hopefully she was sleeping and shopping till she went to work), Nana starts dancing at 8;30. The only ones there at 7 pm are the downstairs Ladyboys, the girls themselves don't start rolling in till 7:45, which is a great time to sit and smoke some doobies at the beer bar while the girls start running around.[/QUOTE]Hey, so it's time for me to make my exit, looks like this is just not working out, and the last thing I want to do is be a nuisance on this forum. Best of luck in all your future endeavors gentlemen! Sincerley, Mr. Interstella. Or Mr. Mental Breakdown, it's a gut wrenching truth to throw out there, but the best way for me to "keep my shit together" is to maybe not fuck around on this forum, because the vitriol and high, and I got pulled into it like a chump. Best of luck, and thanks to those who tired to steer me away from that careening car wreck of an embarrasing chapter in my life. I know you all are just strangers to me, but I wish you all good luck, and all the best.

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Just sayin.

[QUOTE=TheNull1;2987346]Ok you guys have offered info so now its my turn. This is my first time even looking so I wanted to start out with something basic.

Wood Bar was my first outing. Obviously some girls tried to pull me in but I caught eyes with a girl in the back who honestly was the only one to my liking. Petite spinner, guessing in her 30's but lots of make-up so maybe older. Paid 1000 up front. She was patient with me not knowing what to do. Had me undress then cleaned me up in the sink. Before she got started I wanted a make out session and she was rather eager for that. Soon she was on my lap. Lots of kissing, [/QUOTE]Good report, Hopefully you were her first customer of the day.

I went there once. Service was great, but the providers were definitely not stunners.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2987395]Hey, so it's time for me to make my exit, looks like this is just not working out, and the last thing I want to do is be a nuisance on this forum. Best of luck in all your future endeavors gentlemen! Sincerley, Mr. Interstella. Or Mr. Mental Breakdown, it's a gut wrenching truth to throw out there, but the best way for me to "keep my shit together" is to maybe not fuck around on this forum, because the vitriol and high, and I got pulled into it like a chump. [/QUOTE]Hey Interstella, do what you like, but I would suggest that in the future you do not let the mob squad get to you. The vast majority of BKK contributors are fellow sportsmen and are not interested in jumping all over you for what you post, but we will occasionally make constructive criticisms. The bottom line is; enjoy your trips and especially the girls wherever you go.

A. H.

[QUOTE=TheNull1;2987346]Ok you guys have offered info so now its my turn. This is my first time even looking so I wanted to start out with something basic.

Wood Bar was my first outing. Obviously some girls tried to pull me in but I caught eyes with a girl in the back who honestly was the only one to my liking. Petite spinner, guessing in her 30's but lots of make-up so maybe older. Paid 1000 up front. She was patient with me not knowing what to do. Had me undress then cleaned me up in the sink. Before she got started I wanted a make out session and she was rather eager for that. Soon she was on my lap. Lots of kissing, lots of touching. Oral skills were pretty good and I had been so busy leading up to the trip I didn't last too long. She soon asked if I wanted another shot. After some more kissing she went back down though after having just popped I held out until our time was up. Whole time she was rather enthusiastic. I think she said her name was Play but I won't ever be sure on names. I tipped an extra 100 because she probably could have called it after one shot. Personal complaint though, her make-up had glitter and it ended up all over me thanks to all the foreplay.

Most recent was hitting Crazy House, still on the low hanging fruit. I got there rather early, 7 or 8. Only 3 dancers on stage and only 1 was really dancing. Selection wasn't bad, but only one girl really caught my eye. I got there just as they were swapping over, easily half a dozen girls going up but if you ask me the quality took a hit. The best were still the same ballpark and not many of those. I flagged over the one I was looking at. She sat down, 400 for the lady drink and 20 for the girl who brought it out. Now I'm not great at small talk, its why I'm paying instead of hitting the clubs, so chemistry wasn't great but she wasn't shy about rubbing me as we sat. Said she could be taken out, it was not the smoothest communication. I went with ST to a nearby room. 3700 for the girl and barfine. Now here is where my lack of communication skills hurt, she walked me to the ST rooms, and seemed shocked when I dropped 450 for the room. I don't know if she was going to cover it, or part of it, but betting I made a mistake there.

I got undressed while she showered. She was more into kissing now that we were in the room. Played with her breasts as I wanted to take my time to avoid popping too quick. I brought a condom because I'm trying to be responsible here. She sucked me off for a bit then climbed atop. We went at it for a while, multiple positions. Seemed into it, good moaning but nothing over the top. Finished in mish. I wasn't paying attention to time so unsure how long it was but never got the sense she was in a hurry. Walked her back to Crazy House and made my way back. LT was 4000 something, 4500 I think. Didn't want to drag her all the way back and chemistry wasn't there enough I think all night would have been worthwhile. Maybe I should have anyways since the room was pretty close to that amount anyways. Oh well it was my first ever pull so I think a few mistakes are allowed.

Name I believe was Nok, said she was 30 from up north.

I might try one of the massage parlors tomorrow. Something different each day. If anyone has suggestions for those, ideally one I can just walk in and select a girl. Also might try a different gogo bar. I admit I was a bit worried about picking a ladyboy bar by mistake and end up with some awkwardness.[/QUOTE]Be.

Wood bar is 1000 now? Why pay that much when 7th heaven is 200 baht more? And stop wasting your time with gogo bars you paid at least 5 k after counting the lady drinks to fuck a 30 years old girl when you could have paid less than 2 k to have a fit, good looking early 20's girl. Go to mango massage on soi 24 the short time is 1700 baht I usually tip the girl the 300 change. You can have two hours two rounds in the jacuzy room and still pay less than 4000 baht. You can have two girls for an hour and still pay less than the 5 k you paid to 30 years old dancer.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2987531]Be.

Wood bar is 1000 now? Why pay that much when 7th heaven is 200 baht more? And stop wasting your time with gogo bars you paid at least 5 k after counting the lady drinks to fuck a 30 years old girl when you could have paid less than 2 k to have a fit, good looking early 20's girl. Go to mango massage on soi 24 the short time is 1700 baht I usually tip the girl the 300 change. You can have two hours two rounds in the jacuzy room and still pay less than 4000 baht. You can have two girls for an hour and still pay less than the 5 k you paid to 30 years old dancer.[/QUOTE]You don't leave much margin for personal taste and personal situation. For example, the distance between Wood and 7-Heaven is far enough to be a consideration to me, though I admit that Wood hasn't had a doable girl for a long time. I've been with Soi 24 girls many times, but I consistently have more fun with my bar fines in my hotel from Nana Plaza. I now only go to Soi 24 (and nearby) when I'm looking for an afternoon session. When you are as old as me, the session experience is far more important than saving a few baht.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2987534]You don't leave much margin for personal taste and personal situation. For example, the distance between Wood and 7-Heaven is far enough to be a consideration to me, though I admit that Wood hasn't had a doable girl for a long time. I've been with Soi 24 girls many times, but I consistently have more fun with my bar fines in my hotel from Nana Plaza. I now only go to Soi 24 (and nearby) when I'm looking for an afternoon session. When you are as old as me, the session experience is far more important than saving a few baht.[/QUOTE]I agree. The massage joints are fine for a quick boomboom but I prefer the ambience and comfort of a nice hotel. Must admit I have not tried the massage outcall because I found plenty on TF.

I will give soi 24 a look. Like I said I did want to try a massage place for a short time. This is my first trip so I'm seeing what's on offer.

Speaking of I thought to try the sideline options for some incall and spoiler so far the worst experience. I scheduled a 40 minute session and took a taxi to the hotel to meet Celine through 141 agency. Pictures were not accurate at all but I wasn't shocked by that and was paying 1400 baht so whatever. We got washed up. She spent a little time with oral then put on the rubber for the main event. One thing that bothered me up front was not kissing despite that being offered on her profile. Very by the motions experience but the real problem was that she quite literally tapped out after about 15 minutes. Again, paid for 40. She tried jerking me off but that rarely gets me off at the best of times let alone when its this mechanical. After a few minutes I told her to stop. Cooled off for a few minutes then got cleaned up and left with time to spare. I didn't even get off and makes me hesitant to try another freelance if that's the kind of service I can expect. The BJ at Wood was a better experience than that, and she went to time.

I'd like to get atleast one long time overnight stay before my trip ends. What are my best options? Should I roam the streets and hope to get lucky? My hotel is a few kilometers from down town right off the airport line. I don't know what time the freelancers tend to come out but haven't spotted any in my immediate area. My guess is if its long time a taxi ride won't matter much to them though.

I have TF but unsure how much I can trust the pictures on there. If someone has advice on that I'd appreciate it.

Or should I just aim for take out at a gogo bar or something? My goal for this is quality so willing to pay more if I am getting a good return.

[QUOTE=TheNull1;2987882]I'd like to get atleast one long time overnight stay before my trip ends. What are my best options? Should I roam the streets and hope to get lucky? My hotel is a few kilometers from down town right off the airport line. I don't know what time the freelancers tend to come out but haven't spotted any in my immediate area. My guess is if its long time a taxi ride won't matter much to them though.

I have TF but unsure how much I can trust the pictures on there. If someone has advice on that I'd appreciate it.

Or should I just aim for take out at a gogo bar or something? My goal for this is quality so willing to pay more if I am getting a good return.[/QUOTE]For a lot of girls these days "long time" means until like 5 am, so be sure to clarify it with the girl if you are actually looking to sleep together until morning + wake up to fuck again. I almost never do long time but I do like to hit Gogos and the area in front of Thermae at around 2-3 am (Thermae closes at 2 am but girls will stand outside for a bit). At that point girls are desperate and offering LT for ST rates or close to it, in fact I usually pay ST and girls want to sleep over after the deed. I kick them out, I prefer to sleep alone LOL.

By the way, about your previous post, that's not the typical experience for freelancers, but it is the typical experience for agencies. Escort agencies are generally horrible in Bangkok, don't even bother. The vast majority of pictures and reviews are fake, and if you are only here 1-2 weeks, it's a waste of time trying to find the ones that aren't. Sites like fiwfans (RIP) are best for people who live here and have the time to filter through everything. Better to just go out and find the girls yourself.

1st time poster here, just to give an account of my adventures in the big city. Arrived on Sat night after an 11 hour flight.

Headed to Cowboy to check out the scene, with my UK travel companion also a Brit in our mid 50's. After spectating at a few of the venues we ended up in Crazy House where the standard of the girls was high imo. The place was busy, and the stage full of lots of naked girls.

Headed upstairs for some seating, where we were happy to be joined by 2 lovely companions. 1 lady drink later I'm negotiating a price, we settled on 3500 for ST, and a BF of 700. It was busy mid evening so I was happy to to pay that on my first night and was horny as well with all the rubbing etc. My 28 yr old companion and I headed to another venue on Cowboy, it was called Beach something. Anyway the room here was 400 b but in walking in the stage was full of young girls in various states of undress so I made a mental note to revisit.

The sex was good, she was experienced and had a great tidy figure, no body fat, skinny legs just my type. She was high giving a lot of the girls in the venue so she must have been a familiar face. This made me laugh. After Crazy we headed across to Soi22. Loads of interesting massage venues and girly bars. After drinking far too much I was copping off with a 22 yr old, not great in the looks dept, but we were all over each other with the hands. She wanted 2500 b to stay the night, but I knew after the long flight and drinking it would be a morning shag. Anyhow the bar owner wanted 900 b for the bar fine which I thought was crazy, and that the bar had already passed its 2 am close time. I declined altogether, we swapped numbers and messaged, but due to unfolding events I never had the chance to complete our liaison.

Our condo was on Soi15, perfect location for the venues.

Sunday arrived and I was keen to visit secret kiss, so we rocked up about 4 pm. Chose a lovely Japanese looking girl for FS, the price was only 2400 b, bargain. Secret kiss was busy, there was a constant stream of customers, the word was clearly out on this place. After finishing my experience and waiting for my travel buddy, an Indian fella walked in wanting FS but having the cheek to ask for a discount, he got declined obviously. The cheek I thought, the girls that I saw are all. Lovely quality, pale skinned and tidy figures, just pay the price you cheapskate.

Later on Sunday night c9 pm, called into Thermea, mainly for a recce for later on. Instantly struck by the amount and quality of the girls we both agreed the night was still young and many other places to. See still on our 1st trip.

Anyhow took a walk up both Soi 7 and 7/1. These places were busy too, lots of manhandling and pulling from the ladies, which we took in good spirits with a smile on our faces, but we knew we were heading to Nana.

Arrived Nana and I must say I was disappointed after the experience on Cowboy the night before. The venues seemed a lot more sanitised and not as seedy, if that makes sense. Some stunners in Billboard but nothing that inspired me to have a take out. We headed out of NP and took up. Drimking in Hillary, only to be invaded by wandering cockroaches, you must of had 4 on me, maybe if was my cologne, LOL.

Ready for some more action finally we checked out the FL scene on Soi4. Loads of options here, girls of many nationalities. We took a couple of 22 yr old Viets back in a tub tub, mine was a 9/10 easily. The experience turned a bit sour in the condo however over price.

Despite originally agreeing 3000 b she and her mate had upped this to 4000 b, she was lifting up her dress no pants on, showing her beautiful body. What do I do? Shamefully we agreed on the 4 k, wrong I know but it was too late to head out again, and it was right there at arms reach.

The sex wasn't great, probably too much drinking on my part and the earlier sex that afternoon, she did taste fantastic tho. And she had those cute pointless glasses that the young Viets wear, which she pointedly refused to take off, ha ha.

Monday, a new day, what to next. I wanted to a bit left field tonight, so after sitting outside country road pub, watching the rats scuttle about I persuaded my companion to head to T-ded99. Full credit to this site, in particular Everything thai for the inspiration!. It was a trip worth taking. The grab taxi was only 170 b, bargain. On walking in we were greeted by a busy scene, the side rooms were all taken and it looked looked the Asian customers were partying hard judging by all the bottles and girls hanging around. I made of point of speaking to the security guy on walking in, explaining we only spoke English, no problem he said.

He sat us down on an end aisle seat, I could see we were the only westerners here, apart from I gentleman sat on our aisle at the opposite. End. He clearly spoke Thai as he was conversing with his company and seemed to know the massive security guy who joined his table for a chat.

Anyhow, we had great company that night, I had a 26 yr old tiny young thing, 5 foot. She seemed a bit cold at first but we bought food, drinks and after chatting and making jokes she was great fun. Google translate had to be used, but I didn't find this a big problem, a quick shout in your phone (this place is loud) and the banter flows. We were asked constantly for lap. Dances by other young things, but call me old fashioned this seemed a bit rude in front of 'our girls'. Anyhow true enough the ST FS option is 2500 b over the road, I was even sold some condoms by the staff in Tded beforehand. The food was good quality, and even with a bit of tipping the price was less than you'd pay for BF / LDs in other gogos.

The sex was good, the hotel was busy again, we had to wait 10 mins for our room, cue more banter and dry humour with my girl on Google translate. When I come back to BKK I will revisit here without hesitation.

Final day in Dodge, what do we do? We were both quite jaded by this time, lots of drinking and late nights were catching up. There was only 1 thing for it. Nuru massage.

I spent about 20. Minutes checking out the rotas for the countless venues, we went to BKK vice. What a great venue this is too imo. Clean, efficiently run and most importantly lots of choice. It was about 6 pm and we had the full parade lined up in front of us. I chose another tiny young thing, 1 HR nuru for 3000 b. What happened next was 1 of the best experiences for paid service. Unbelievably sensual and erotic, my provider was perfect, non of the annoying grunts and false moans you sometimes get. If you've not yet tried a Nuru, I so go for it. She was more than happy to. Give a proper back massage too, and I was more. Than happy to tip. Afterwards for a wonderful time. Walking out with big smiles on our faces, we knew we were done, so took it easy by heading up. To soi7, chatting with some girls. There, before soi11 Hillarys. Lots. Of FLs here 2, but honestly we were done. 5 girls on 4 days is plenty for me at my age! The night finished very pleasantly by simply sitting and chatting with a pair of mid 20 office girls, no thoughts on snagging, just old fashioned banter and good company.

Hope my tale is of interest to you all. I'm currently in AoNang writing this on my phone, hence the odd grammar mistake. Took a lovely Japanese girl put from one of the RCA bars last night, but that's a tale for another time.

Adios amigos.

1st time poster here, just to give an account of my adventures in the big city. Arrived on Sat night after an 11 hour flight.

Headed to Cowboy to check out the scene, with my UK travel companion also a Brit in our mid 50's. After spectating at a few of the venues we ended up in Crazy House where the standard of the girls was high imo. The place was busy, and the stage full of lots of naked girls.

Headed upstairs for some seating, where we were happy to be joined by 2 lovely companions. 1 lady drink later I'm negotiating a price, we settled on 3500 for ST, and a BF of 700. It was busy mid evening so I was happy to to pay that on my first night and was horny as well with all the rubbing etc. My 28 yr old companion and I headed to another venue on Cowboy, it was called Beach something. Anyway the room here was 400 be but in walking in the stage was full of young girls in various states of undress so I made a mental note to revisit.

The sex was good, she was experienced and had a great tidy figure, no body fat, skinny legs just my type. She was high fivng a lot of the girls in the venue so she must have been a familiar face. This made me laugh. After Crazy we headed across to Soi22. Loads of interesting massage venues and girly bars, we were in one if the tiny sois off the main road. After drinking far too much I was copping off with a 22 yr old, not great in the looks dept, but we were all over each other with the hands. She wanted 2500 be to stay the night, but I knew after the long flight and drinking it would be a morning shag. Anyhow the bar owner wanted 900 be for the bar fine which I thought was crazy, and that the bar had already passed its 2 am close time. I declined altogether, we swapped numbers and messaged, but due to unfolding events I never had the chance to complete our liaison.

Our condo was on Soi15, perfect location for the venues.

Sunday arrived and I was keen to visit secret kiss, so we rocked up about 4 pm. Chose a lovely Japanese looking girl for FS, the price was only 2400 be, bargain. Secret kiss was busy, there was a constant stream of customers, the word was clearly out on this place. After finishing my experience and waiting for my travel buddy, an Indian fella walked in wanting FS but having the cheek to ask for a discount, he got declined obviously. The cheek I thought, the girls that I saw areall lovely quality, pale skinned and tidy figures, just pay the price you cheapskate!

Later on Sunday night c9 pm, called into Thermae, mainly for a recce for later on. Instantly struck by the amount and quality of the girls we both agreed the night was still young and many other places to.

See, still on our 1st trip.

Anyhow took a walk up both Soi 7 and 7/1. These places were busy too, lots of manhandling and pulling from the ladies, which we took in good spirits with a smile on our faces, but we knew we were heading to Nana.

Arrived Nana and I must say I was disappointed after the experience on Cowboy the night before. The venues seemed a lot more sanitised and not as seedy, if that makes sense. Some stunners in Billboard but nothing that inspired me to have a take out. We headed out of NP and took up drinking in Hillary, only to be invaded by wandering cockroaches, I must of had 4 on me, maybe it was my cologne, LOL.

Ready for some more action finally we checked out the FL scene on Soi4. Loads of options here, girls of many nationalities. We took a couple of 22 yr old Viets back in a tuk tuk, mine was a 9/10 easily. The experience turned a bit sour in the condo however over price.

Despite originally agreeing 3000 be she and her mate had upped this to 4000 be, she was lifting up her dress no pants on, showing her beautiful body. What do I do? Shamefully we agreed on the 4 k, wrong I know but it was too late to head out again, and it was right there at arms reach.

The sex wasn't great, probably too much drinking on my part and the earlier sex that afternoon, she did taste fantastic tho. And she had those cute pointless glasses that the young Viets wear, which she pointedly refused to take off, ha ha.

Monday, a new day, what to next. I wanted to go a bit left field tonight, so after sitting outside country road pub, watching the rats scuttle about and breathing in the stench, I persuaded my companion to head to T-ded99. Full credit to this site, in particular Everything thai for the inspiration!. It was a trip worth taking. The grab taxi was only 170 be, bargain. On walking in we were greeted by a busy scene, the side rooms were all taken and it looked looked the Asian customers were partying hard judging by all the bottles and girls hanging around. I made of point.

Of speaking to the security guy on walking in, explaining we only spoke English, no problem he said.

He sat us down on an end aisle seat, I could see we were the only westerners here, apart from 1 gentleman sat on our aisle at the opposite. End. He clearly spoke Thai as he was conversing with his company and seemed to know the massive security guy who joined his table for a chat. ET if this is you, sorry for not saying Hi.

Anyhow, we had great company that night, I had a 26 yr old tiny young thing, 5 foot. She seemed a bit cold at first but we bought food, drinks and after chatting and making jokes she was great fun. Google translate had to be used, but I didn't find this a big problem, a quick shout in your phone (this place is loud) and the banter flows. We were asked constantly for lap. Dances by other young things, but call me old fashioned this seemed a bit rude in front of 'our girls'. Anyhow true enough the ST FS option is 2500 be over the road, I was even sold some condoms by the staff in Tded beforehand. The food was good quality, and even with a bit of tipping the price was less than you'd pay for BF / LDs in other gogos.

The sex was good, the hotel was busy again, we had to wait 10 minutes for our room, cue more banter and dry humour with my girl on Google translate. When I come back to BKK I will revisit here without hesitation.

Final day in Dodge, what do we do? We were both quite jaded by this time, lots of drinking and late nights were catching up. There was only 1 thing for it. Nuru massage.

I spent about 20. Minutes checking out the rotas for the countless venues, we went to BKK vice. What a great venue this is too imo. Clean, efficiently run and most importantly lots of choice. It was about 6 pm and we had the full parade lined up in front of us. I chose another tiny young thing, 1 HR nuru for 3000 be. What happened next was 1 of the best experiences for paid service. Unbelievably sensual and erotic, my provider was perfect, non of the annoying grunts and false moans you sometimes get. If you've not yet tried a Nuru, I say go for it. She was more than happy to. Give a proper back massage too, and I was more. Than happy to tip. Afterwards for a wonderful time. Walking out with big smiles on our faces, we knew we were done, so took it easy by heading up. To soi7, chatting with some girls. There, before soi11 Hillarys. Lots. Of FLs and approaches here, but honestly we were done. 5 girls on 4 days is plenty for me at my age! The night finished very pleasantly by simply sitting and chatting with a pair of mid 20 office girls, no thoughts on snagging, just old fashioned banter and good company.

Hope my tale is of interest to you all. I'm currently in AoNang writing this on my phone, hence the odd grammar mistake. Took a lovely Japanese girl put from one of the RCA bars last night, but that's a tale for another time.

Adios amigos.

[QUOTE=TheNull1;2987882]I'd like to get atleast one long time overnight stay before my trip ends. What are my best options? Should I roam the streets and hope to get lucky? My hotel is a few kilometers from down town right off the airport line. I don't know what time the freelancers tend to come out but haven't spotted any in my immediate area. My guess is if its long time a taxi ride won't matter much to them though.

I have TF but unsure how much I can trust the pictures on there. If someone has advice on that I'd appreciate it.

Or should I just aim for take out at a gogo bar or something? My goal for this is quality so willing to pay more if I am getting a good return.[/QUOTE]Just go for it mate, if you do nothing you'll regret if for a long time (if you excuse the pun) when your trip is over, you can't get the time back. I've wasted many a short trip to BKK.

If you are out of town a bit or not close to the main 'Red light' areas then street walkers is probably going to be the least successful route. You could waste a lot of time looking and end up with nothing or worse a LB!

TF is my favourite app but just remember it's not a 'sex' app so not all girls are Freelancers on it. I find most of them are pretty close to their pics and you can always do a short video call first.

Also just have an "exit" strategy ready if you don't like the girl or get fed up after an hour or two (they usually start annoying me with their moaning and whinging), I usually just say my boss has requested I go to meet him early so I need to get up extra early so I need sleep. Throw them a tip etc.

If you are willing to pay a bit of a premium and time is of the essence, I'd just do an outcall from a reliable agency such as Bangkok golden escorts or Bodybliss. Many of the massage shops do outcall too, and again it's fairly reliable when it comes to the girl matching the photos, Pretty massage shop and Paradise are just two of many that do Outcalls.

Have fun while it lasts!!

You can use Smooci. Idk why not many consider using it here. But I always use it, when I am here for work and not staying near Sukhumvit.

Many girls are there with 3 k baht for 2 hrs, 2 shots. Which is anyways better than Thermae pickup. If you need premium, can search for premium girls.

If you need recommendation, can try Gina. Absolutely stunning beautiful girl with top notch service. Always take her once whenever I visit.

[QUOTE=TheNull1;2987882]I'd like to get atleast one long time overnight stay before my trip ends. What are my best options? Should I roam the streets and hope to get lucky? My hotel is a few kilometers from down town right off the airport line. I don't know what time the freelancers tend to come out but haven't spotted any in my immediate area. My guess is if its long time a taxi ride won't matter much to them though.

I have TF but unsure how much I can trust the pictures on there. If someone has advice on that I'd appreciate it.

Or should I just aim for take out at a gogo bar or something? My goal for this is quality so willing to pay more if I am getting a good return.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheNull1;2987882]I'd like to get atleast one long time overnight stay before my trip ends. What are my best options? Should I roam the streets and hope to get lucky? My hotel is a few kilometers from down town right off the airport line. I don't know what time the freelancers tend to come out but haven't spotted any in my immediate area. My guess is if its long time a taxi ride won't matter much to them though.

I have TF but unsure how much I can trust the pictures on there. If someone has advice on that I'd appreciate it.

Or should I just aim for take out at a gogo bar or something? My goal for this is quality so willing to pay more if I am getting a good return.[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Grand Hyatt Erawan in Sukhumvit once and visited their bar just below the ground floor (Gaston)? There is live music / dancing with girls milling around looking to hook up. Landed a model quality girl for the night & took her up to my room. She was very accommodating & un-rushed though a bit of a fish in bed but more than made up for it with a stunning body and of course face. This was some time ago. There are taxis in the lobby late at night too. You could try your luck there. I'm sure there many such places that others may know.

[QUOTE=WanderingWhere;2987973]1st time poster here, just to give an account of my adventures in the big city. Arrived on Sat night after an 11 hour flight.

Headed to Cowboy to check out the scene, with my UK travel companion also a Brit in our mid 50's. After spectating at a few of the venues we ended up in Crazy House where the standard of the girls was high imo. The place was busy, and the stage full of lots of naked girls.

Headed upstairs for some seating, where we were happy to be joined by 2 lovely companions. 1 lady drink later I'm negotiating a price, we settled on 3500 for ST, and a BF of 700. It was busy mid evening so I was happy to to pay that on my first night and was horny as well with all the rubbing etc. My 28 yr old companion and I headed to another venue on Cowboy, it was called Beach something..[/QUOTE]Yes that was me there on Monday night. Glad you had a great time. Kuhn Nut, the large security guy brought me a girl who on the job first night. It was a bit disappointing in the hotel, as she was relying on me to take charge. That night I was drunk and was missing my regular from there that normally jumps my bones before I can even get my clothes off and showered.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2988022]You can use Smooci. Idk why not many consider using it here. But I always use it, when I am here for work and not staying near Sukhumvit.

Many girls are there with 3 k baht for 2 hrs, 2 shots. Which is anyways better than Thermae pickup. If you need premium, can search for premium girls.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to add 15 years and 15 kilos to every profile on Smooci.

And have fun filtering all the postop ladyboys trying to snake themselves in the women's section now that they are all "independent".

Hey guys,

I went to thermae tonight and this was my second time going. I approached few girls and I had like 3 or 4 say "no" to me. Then the few that did reply, wanted 3000-5000 bt.

I don't know if this was because I didn't look good or what. I was dressed in sneakers, shirt, and jeans so not sloppy tourist. I felt I was being given inflated prices. Have any of you experienced this? It just kinda annoyed me because I don't think I"m that fugly to be warranted such negative responses LOL.

To me the situation also felt kinda strange because some people pay for sex to bypass the whole attracting the girl scenario. But here it was like you're trying to attract, and still have to pay.

In any case, I ended up not going with any. Many others have had good experiences, as per the previous reports, this was just my experience.

Smooci.

I have used this site before and as someone pointed out, the age and weight needs to be adjusted for. The girl that came to me was nice, but her pictures made her look a LOT younger. Her body was okay, but just the difference in face (what I was expecting vs what I got) was a bit annoying. I guess kinda felt cheated? LOL but it's no surprise; often these online providers photoshop tf out of the pictures.

This site is efficient but you may not always get what you see on the website. There's also a 1000 bhat cancel fee; so if the girl shows up and you no likey, you still pay. Something to keep in mind, if you're considering using this site.

Are there any alternative similar websites being used in Bangkok? And. Any that realistic pics? LOL maybe I'm asking too much.

Not true for "every" profile. But yes, for most, at least the year part.

All are now listed as Independent because there was some LE action last year, so now all escort agencies are to be so-called banned. So they must be listed as Indie, but obv managed by same agencies.

I don't know about you, but it never happened with me, LB posing as Girl.

But that might also be because I never go with any recently listed ones. Usually, I go with 4. 9+ ratings and with recent + high reviews. Also reading recent reviews helps to some extent. Not all reviews can be fake.


Anyways, photoshop or age/weight falsifying, is case with all escort agencies, heck! even MPs who share lineup via Line. But all I am saying is, if there is no other option or when you cant explore outside, it can be a good option. Otherwise I myself too prefer picking out girls from outside, if I can.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2988043]Don't forget to add 15 years and 15 kilos to every profile on Smooci.

And have fun filtering all the postop ladyboys trying to snake themselves in the women's section now that they are all "independent".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Koryu;2988072]Hey guys,

I went to thermae tonight and this was my second time going. I approached few girls and I had like 3 or 4 say "no" to me. Then the few that did reply, wanted 3000-5000 bt.

I don't know if this was because I didn't look good or what. I was dressed in sneakers, shirt, and jeans so not sloppy tourist. I felt I was being given inflated prices. Have any of you experienced this? It just kinda annoyed me because I don't think I"m that fugly to be warranted such negative responses LOL.

To me the situation also felt kinda strange because some people pay for sex to bypass the whole attracting the girl scenario. But here it was like you're trying to attract, and still have to pay.

In any case, I ended up not going with any. Many others have had good experiences, as per the previous reports, this was just my experience.
...[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you're not asian so that could be a big factor. Luckily I'm asian and majority will quite the regular 3 k but did get a few higher quotes of 3-5 which I just passed on. Not sure if you requested BBBJ, CIM and other services could also make them not want to go with you. Yea it's not for everyone. Luckily plenty of other venues for you to choose from.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2988034]Yes that was me there on Monday night. Glad you had a great time. Kuhn Nut, the large security guy brought me a girl who on the job first night. It was a bit disappointing in the hotel, as she was relying on me to take charge. That night I was drunk and was missing my regular from there that normally jumps my bones before I can even get my clothes off and showered.[/QUOTE]Ah, do you know what, I thought it was! Sorry about your 1st timer, I dare say you'll make up for it soon.

Thanks for the heads up on this place. It reminded me of an off the beaten track venue I visited back in the very early 90's on the outside of Prague. Lots of girls, totally different to the normal tourist scene, but still made to feel welcome.

Sorry for all the typos too, I realise my post is a hard read.

Heading to Patong now for a week, I know it will be a circus there, just hope I can find some quieter venues.

First thank you for the suggestions. This is my last full day here in Bangkok but more on that after the reports.

Over on the massage side I went down to Peaches after hearing about it in the massage forum. It was kind of early about 4 PM, line up was meh. Ranging from average to slightly above. Paid 2 k for one hour oil massage. Ultimately I went with Bunny who wasn't the best looking but I felt good energy from her. The other girls congratulated her for being picked. Bunny is very chatty, whether that's a pro or con is up to you. I have to say out of all my experiences she definitely came off as the most sincere in enjoying what she does. Massage was lacking but that's the norm for a place like this. Sex was pretty good and here is something I doubt many have experienced. Afterwards she cut and filed my toenails. Strange but by no means bad. Said she studied cosmetology so maybe just a passion for her.

I thought I'd venture and give TF an honest try. Was talking to a real stunner for LT, like you guys suggested got everything up front. She kind of flaked on me. She pushed it back an hour then asked to reschedule. I said ok, got her line, might still pull the trigger on her tonight.

With that fallen through looked for something more last minute on TF. Got an offer from a cute Philippian girl named Ashley for 6 k for an hour. Needless to say I said that was WAY too much, she came back with 3 k incall. I had her send a video to confirm looks and decided to go with it. Now downtown there were a few girls I walked by that tempted me to abandon my current course but bird in the hand, decided to go with what I already had scheduled. Besides I got cancelled last minute wasn't going to do the same. Now there was a misunderstanding about the time, I arrived right when I said but she was 20 minutes late. Said she was eating but wouldn't be shocked if she was out working because was not in her room. Upside she was as advertised and spoke good english. I could talk to her pretty normally.

She pressured to be paid first so I did. Glad that hasn't bitten me yet. Now while she did look as advertised the breasts were quite fake and did not feel good. I love nice breasts and would have taken an A cup over how those felt. Pussy was nice though. She put on some music, we did lots of positions and during it she did good. After trying a few things I've learned its hard for me to get off just doing penis in vagina. Just a step above a handjob. Still she put in the effort to get me off on time. Professional in that sense. After the deed she cooled off fast. I showered real quick and she was pushing for a tip. I gave her 50 since that was the only non-1000 bill I had. She was not happy and clearly just wanted me out so she could look for her next client. The session itself was pretty good but that left a bad taste in my mouth.

Bonus story, TheNull's return misadventure. My hotel was a few km away and the trains weren't running so I ordered a cab. So far so good until one came up to me. Now I use bolt and time was about right so I just assumed this was my cab and got in. Started driving and I realized once he asked where to that this wasn't the right one. Maybe I could get this to work. Now one thing I've learned is a massive downside to staying at Hotel De Bangkok is whenever you tell someone that's where you are staying they think are you saying "hotel in Bangkok" and that you aren't giving them the actual name of the place. Language barrier hit hard, driver clearly didn't get where I wanted to go. I tried to explain I got the wrong cab and to just take me back, which he didn't understand. In a panic I waited for it to stop, opened the door and bolted. It was just WAY too awkward. I messaged the driver I ordered who was still waiting for me. Jogged to the original spot and got in, he didn't seem upset by the wait so thought that was the end of it. Not quite. We were about 3/4 of the way there when the driver stopped, pulled over, got out, then took a leak on the side of the building. I really don't get this. We were only five minutes from my hotel so it couldn't have been that urgent. That was the last major hiccup.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2988072]

To me the situation also felt kinda strange because some people pay for sex to bypass the whole attracting the girl scenario. But here it was like you're trying to attract, and still have to pay.
[/QUOTE]Don't take it too personally, both the pro and the con is the girls can be a bit selective. Its good for the girls to have some control as it makes their work far more of a choice and less predatory but sometimes for whatever reason you can't find one that connects with you. I'm not lacking in looks but I have near zero charisma and the awkwardness of a language barrier makes it worse. If you want easy options I've been trying a few things out and massage parlors might be your best bet. You see a line-up. Find one that will atleast smile and make eye contact and you should be fine.

I flagged down and got a gogo girl in five minutes but I have no idea if that's the norm. But my lack of game wasn't a deal breaker.

On the way to Pattaya but had a few days in BKK first. Last night we headed to a few of the bars outside Nana Plaza. Very few women worth talking to or drinking with and so we went up the Billboard. It was about 10 pm and the place was packed. We did manage to find some seats to watch the girls on the stage. While there were some of higher quality, most were below average. Given the prices to take them out we did not consider them to be of value. We stayed for a drink but then left for Butterflies agogo. Same situation in there. Average quality for the asking prices. So our first night in BKK was uneventful, however we were not fussed as we are headed to Pattaya in a few days.

The next day we decided to head to Soi 22 and check out the soapy scene. When we arrived at Bangkok Passion and we were greeted by the mommies and shown a few girls that were very low quality. We asked to see more and the mommies were very willing to bring in girls from the various shops in the area. Clearly they can swap out girls as they want to and the sheer number of shops in that area is amazing. Not saying the quality of girls there is spectacular, however I am sure that the sheer number of girls there means that you will find what you want.

Eventually we found a couple to our liking and headed upstairs. Now I have not had a soapy massage since I was in Hua Hin a few years back, so I was keen to see if it was still my sort of thing. The rooms were fairly standard but clean and large enough. Once in the tub I noticed my girl was very petite with a very nice body that was all real. I also noticed that she actually has a pretty face as well. She was a nice all round package and I was surprised to find her in a soapy massage. The soapy massage was much better than I remember past ones to be and she knew how to use her body. Very sensual with DFK and a lot of stroking. Once on the bed she really gave a GFE experience with a touch of PSE. Multiple positions and she was really into her work. WIR, yes and I got her line account to follow up when back in BKK next week. Soapy was a success and made up for the miss last night. A nice way to remember what I used to enjoy but had stopped doing years ago. May well get another one when in Pattaya!

Heading into Nana again later tonight and then off to Pattaya. Will provide more reports along the trail.

Happy Huntiing.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2988072]Hey guys,

I went to thermae tonight and this was my second time going. I approached few girls and I had like 3 or 4 say "no" to me. Then the few that did reply, wanted 3000-5000 bt.

I don't know if this was because I didn't look good or what. I was dressed in sneakers, shirt, and jeans so not sloppy tourist. I felt I was being given inflated prices. Have any of you experienced this? It just kinda annoyed me because I don't think I"m that fugly to be warranted such negative responses LOL.

To me the situation also felt kinda strange because some people pay for sex to bypass the whole attracting the girl scenario. But here it was like you're trying to attract, and still have to pay.

In any case, I ended up not going with any. Many others have had good experiences, as per the previous reports, this was just my experience.[/QUOTE]Nah man, same with all. I have tried many escort agencies, smooci is best of them as far as outcall is concerned. But I use them only when I can't stay near sukhumvit.

If you didn't get your way in thermae, can pick someone from MP too. I have taken many from Cherry, hunnybunny in outcall, when I liked them during soapy. Also for outcall, best thing is thaifriendly, they might not be too good in service-wise as opposed to any other WGs, but easy to score 19-22 yo from there. Generally for 4 k baht, you can get for whole night.

[QUOTE=WanderingWhere;2987973]1st time poster here, just to give an account of my adventures in the big city. Arrived on Sat night after an 11 hour flight.

Sunday arrived and I was keen to visit secret kiss, so we rocked up about 4 pm. Chose a lovely Japanese looking girl for FS, the price was only 2400 be, bargain. Secret kiss was busy, there was a constant stream of customers, the word was clearly out on this place. After finishing my experience and waiting for my travel buddy, an Indian fella walked in wanting FS but having the cheek to ask for a discount, he got declined obviously. The cheek I thought, the girls that I saw areall lovely quality, pale skinned and tidy figures, just pay the price you cheapskate!.[/QUOTE]Nice report. Can you share the secret kiss location.

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After taking a much needed rest after the excellent sopay massage, my wingman and I headed back out into the bars along Nana. It was about 8 pm and the bars were doing a little bit of business. We stopped into one of the bars just before Stumble Inn that had only one billiard table and decided to take a seat and see what was on offer. There was a lot of older and a little bit younger girls but the quality was on the lower side. We then went to Stumble Inn to see if anything was happening there. Similar situation with girls of average quality all trying to get us to buy them drinks. After a few games of billiards we left to head up to Billboard to see if the quality was better from the night before. It again was packed and the quality was a little higher. My wingman spotted a girl to his liking and immediately she was at his side. He knows how to pick them. Very pretty face and a body to match. I was still looking at the dancers on stage when the mamasan promptly placed a girl I had been with a few times by my side. I was ok with this because the girl has a nice body and is pretty to look at. I also knew she was a performer providing GFE and gets off on DATY. After a few drinks we ask the mamasan to finalise the bills and take the girls out. The usual quote of 700 bar fine and 4000 for short time. Mamasan also threw in that long time is 1000 bar fine and 8000, which I have never heard of before at any of the agogos either in BKK or Pattaya. Maybe to a newbie that might work, however I declined the long time offer and settled on a short time only. Not sure if any other punters have had that price quoted for a girl from Billboard for a long time?

Anyway, back in the room the experience exceeded my expectations. A lot of DFK, DATY and BBBJ followed by multiple positions and excellent grinding by my girl. She was very very wet which made the experience all the more better. However, having dropped a load at the soapy a few hours earlier I struggled to finish even with all the DFK and wetness. Also, using condoms can make finishing a hit or miss experience for me these days. Oh, I guess being older also means that multiple shots in a day gets harder to do! Not deterred, my girl proceeded to give me another round of BBBJ, but alas was not able to complete.

Overall a thoroughly memorable and enjoyable time with a Billboard girl. WIR, yes because she knows her stuff, is hassle free and easy to be with. A good option when I am in BKK and want a great session with a girl.

Off to Pattaya for a few days. Look for my reports on that thread.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2987943]LOL, where is my report of my experience? All I said is oil massages at their place is better than my own room. And DDs is best to find them. You will know exactly when I say this is me like when I had my foot in a massage girl's tits way back. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, when you post a photo like that it kind of implies it's your own experience.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2988721]Well, when you post a photo like that it kind of implies it's your own experience.[/QUOTE]Kind of like my "Omnipresent" posting? Very good info and intel in both postings if you can decipher them. It keeps the newbies away from my new gems. Most OG Vets know Sephan Kwai and T-Dead was written on way way way back. That is old news. All you have to do is use the search function. DDs Deliciosa! No need to buy me a drink anymore. I am on a calorie count. LOL.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2988509]The Punjabi Prince AKA Prince of Pune always has a presence in Thailand... To show me their gratefulness, Boofies plastered me and my Adonis body all on their Facebook page that day. Nobody can prove that the Prince doesn't deserve those 3 awards. To this day, I am the hottest thing to happen to Boofies FB social media page. How about them apples?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Axiata;2988211]On the way to Pattaya but had a few days in BKK first. Last night we headed to a few of the bars outside Nana Plaza. Very few women worth talking to or drinking with and so we went up the Billboard. It was about 10 pm and the place was packed. We did manage to find some seats to watch the girls on the stage. While there were some of higher quality, most were below average. Given the prices to take them out we did not consider them to be of value. We stayed for a drink but then left for Butterflies agogo. Same situation in there. Average quality for the asking prices. So our first night in BKK was uneventful, however we were not fussed as we are headed to Pattaya in a few days.

The next day we decided to head to Soi 22 and check out the soapy scene. When we arrived at Bangkok Passion and we were greeted by the mommies and shown a few girls that were very low quality. We asked to see more and the mommies were very willing to bring in girls from the various shops in the area. Clearly they can swap out girls as they want to and the sheer number of shops in that area is amazing. Not saying the quality of girls there is spectacular, however I am sure that the sheer number of girls there means that you will find what you want..[/QUOTE]What massage place?

[QUOTE=Koryu;2988072]Hey guys,

I went to thermae tonight and this was my second time going. I approached few girls and I had like 3 or 4 say "no" to me. Then the few that did reply, wanted 3000-5000 bt.

I don't know if this was because I didn't look good or what. I was dressed in sneakers, shirt, and jeans so not sloppy tourist. I felt I was being given inflated prices. Have any of you experienced this? It just kinda annoyed me because I don't think I"m that fugly to be warranted such negative responses LOL.

To me the situation also felt kinda strange because some people pay for sex to bypass the whole attracting the girl scenario. But here it was like you're trying to attract, and still have to pay.

In any case, I ended up not going with any. Many others have had good experiences, as per the previous reports, this was just my experience.

....[/QUOTE]Did you check the girls outside of Thermae? Not the ladyboys but the freelancers, what have they been asking? Should be less than inside and should be less "No" .

[QUOTE=Axiata;2988211]On the way to Pattaya but had a few days in BKK first. Last night we headed to a few of the bars outside Nana Plaza. Very few women worth talking to or drinking with and so we went up the Billboard. It was about 10 pm and the place was packed. We did manage to find some seats to watch the girls on the stage. While there were some of higher quality, most were below average. Given the prices to take them out we did not consider them to be of value. We stayed for a drink but then left for Butterflies agogo. Same situation in there. Average quality for the asking prices. So our first night in BKK was uneventful, however we were not fussed as we are headed to Pattaya in a few days.

The next day we decided to head to Soi 22 and check out the soapy scene. When we arrived at Bangkok Passion and we were greeted by the mommies and shown a few girls that were very low quality. We asked to see more and the mommies were very willing to bring in girls from the various shops in the area. Clearly they can swap out girls as they want to and the sheer number of shops in that area is amazing..[/QUOTE]Does their "full service" include 2 shots if you take a 2 hour slot?

Hey guys,

This might be a dumb question but how are the freelancers on the streets on Sukhumvit? Or the girls just outside Thermae (non LB)?

I have this assumption of street walkers being lesser quality, but I could be wrong. Do you guys go with street walkers? Reliable? Please share your thoughts on the street walking freelancers.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2970334]I ventured to Chinatown looking for Chinese girls. If I recall the girls FEE was 200 baht. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Hey mate were you then able to find a Chinese looking girl? How were the looks and the damage.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2970334]I ventured to Chinatown looking for Chinese girls. If I recall the girls FEE was 200 baht. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Hey mate were you then able to find a Chinese looking girl? How were the looks and the damage.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2989296]Hey guys,

This might be a dumb question but how are the freelancers on the streets on Sukhumvit? Or the girls just outside Thermae (non LB)?

I have this assumption of street walkers being lesser quality, but I could be wrong. Do you guys go with street walkers? Reliable? Please share your thoughts on the street walking freelancers.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Not sure about the Asians (high probability of LB perhaps), but I have been with four Africans from the area (including a double). A good time was had with all of them. One in particular was memorable because she was a squirter, only the second squirter I have been with. She did try to up the agreed price when we got into the room, but I held firm. So I definitely intend to try one again when I return to Bangkok in June. YMMV of course, because it's a bit of a lottery taking them off the street.

It was a good trip and plenty of fun was had. Pattaya milfs on TF, a massage and bang, and Viet BKK street walkers. The usual mixed bag unworthy of a detailed report. However, I did see a ton of fairly hot Thais hand in hand with western dudes in the street. It looked certainly looked appealing and more than just one-off wham bam.

Question for the seasoned visitors: where do these guys meet these women?? Are they 'holiday girlfriends', wives??

This side of Thailand I know nothing about. Everyone looks happy and some westerners are dumpy with hot Thais.

Can't wait to hear where these companions can be found. Cheers.

I'the just like to add to my previous post: with freelancers, be particularly vigilant in locking up your valuables!

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FIWFANS and see, 2 Telegram groups with 42 K and 52 K members respectively, have been sending their ads to me daily with availabilities of various girls.

Did not see the girls I know; their Line chat ID were STOP or went unanswered.

I can't read Thai. Sign in Telegram and check these groups. The bros may be able to access their services.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;2989424]I'the just like to add to my previous post: with freelancers, be particularly vigilant in locking up your valuables![/QUOTE]One of the African girls get you? That's what they do.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2988358]After taking a much needed rest after the excellent sopay massage, my wingman and I headed back out into the bars along Nana. It was about 8 pm and the bars were doing a little bit of business. We stopped into one of the bars just before Stumble Inn that had only one billiard table and decided to take a seat and see what was on offer. There was a lot of older and a little bit younger girls but the quality was on the lower side. We then went to Stumble Inn to see if anything was happening there. Similar situation with girls of average quality all trying to get us to buy them drinks. After a few games of billiards we left to head up to Billboard to see if the quality was better from the night before. It again was packed and the quality was a little higher. My wingman spotted a girl to his liking and immediately she was at his side. He knows how to pick them. Very pretty face and a body to match. I was still looking at the dancers on stage when the mamasan promptly placed a girl I had been with a few times by my side. I was ok with this because the girl has a nice body and is pretty to look at. I also knew she was a performer providing GFE and gets off on DATY. After a few drinks we ask the mamasan to finalise the bills and take the girls out. The usual quote of 700 bar fine and 4000 for short time. Mamasan also threw in that long time is 1000 bar fine and 8000, which I have never heard of before at any of the agogos either in BKK or Pattaya. Maybe to a newbie that might work, however I declined the long time offer and settled on a short time only. Not sure if any other punters have had that price quoted for a girl from Billboard for a long time?

Anyway, back in the room the experience exceeded my expectations. A lot of DFK, DATY and BBBJ followed by multiple positions and excellent grinding by my girl. She was very very wet which made the experience all the more better. However, having dropped a load at the soapy a few hours earlier I struggled to finish even with all the DFK and wetness. Also, using condoms can make finishing a hit or miss experience for me these days. Oh, I guess being older also means that multiple shots in a day gets harder to do! Not deterred, my girl proceeded to give me another round of BBBJ, but alas was not able to complete.

Overall a thoroughly memorable and enjoyable time with a Billboard girl. WIR, yes because she knows her stuff, is hassle free and easy to be with. A good option when I am in BKK and want a great session with a girl.

Off to Pattaya for a few days. Look for my reports on that thread.

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]It's been consistent that people are finding better girls at one or two places in Nana. I got to say, I was visiting Rainbow 2 yesterday and although I didn't take any home, the girls were nice to look at. Tall, slender, some with a big dumper, others with fairly sizable bust. Is Billboards really just that good at getting better girls? If I wasn't short on cash that day I would have taken a girl home from Rainbow 2. I'll try to make my way in tonight to Billboard to compare, though it's going to be packed on a Friday I'm sure.

[QUOTE=EzPlayar;2989422]It was a good trip and plenty of fun was had. Pattaya milfs on TF, a massage and bang, and Viet BKK street walkers. The usual mixed bag unworthy of a detailed report. However, I did see a ton of fairly hot Thais hand in hand with western dudes in the street. It looked certainly looked appealing and more than just one-off wham bam.

Question for the seasoned visitors: where do these guys meet these women?? Are they 'holiday girlfriends', wives??

This side of Thailand I know nothing about. Everyone looks happy and some westerners are dumpy with hot Thais.

Can't wait to hear where these companions can be found. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Dunno about "a ton" and "hot", but in many cases it's perhaps the real girlfriends of people who stay in Thailand longtime. A presentable western dude settling down in Thailand will (even today) be batting way out of his league as far as Thai girls are concerned, once he learns a little Thai and adapts to the culture somewhat.

On the other hand you also see plenty of what are obviously some sort of slightly longer term hooker walking hand in hand with western dudes too.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2989781]Dunno about "a ton" and "hot", but in many cases it's perhaps the real girlfriends of people who stay in Thailand longtime. A presentable western dude settling down in Thailand will (even today) be batting way out of his league as far as Thai girls are concerned, once he learns a little Thai and adapts to the culture somewhat.

On the other hand you also see plenty of what are obviously some sort of slightly longer term hooker walking hand in hand with western dudes too.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's absolutely the way it is here.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2989572]One of the African girls get you? That's what they do.[/QUOTE]Nah. I'm quite OCD when it comes to locking up anything that might be remotely attractive to them.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2989781]Dunno about "a ton" and "hot", but in many cases it's perhaps the real girlfriends of people who stay in Thailand longtime. A presentable western dude settling down in Thailand will (even today) be batting way out of his league as far as Thai girls are concerned, once he learns a little Thai and adapts to the culture somewhat.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2989811]Yes, that's absolutely the way it is here.[/QUOTE]In case anyone wonders if Goatscrot is being sarcastic here, he's not.

If you can bathe / wear clean clothes / speak a touch of Thai, the locals (and here I mean: way off the tourist-monger path locals) will all but throw their women at you.

[QUOTE=Chop;2989848]In case anyone wonders if Goatscrot is being sarcastic here, he's not.

If you can bathe / wear clean clothes / speak a touch of Thai, the locals (and here I mean: way off the tourist-monger path locals) will all but throw their women at you.[/QUOTE]No they won't throw them serves at you. Visual evidence is Lacking.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2989296]Hey guys,

This might be a dumb question but how are the freelancers on the streets on Sukhumvit? Or the girls just outside Thermae (non LB)?

I have this assumption of street walkers being lesser quality, but I could be wrong. Do you guys go with street walkers? Reliable? Please share your thoughts on the street walking freelancers.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I had experience with streetwalkers and prefer them to the girls in the clubs. They're a mix of pros and amateurs, but I've had good luck with amateurs who I found near Soi 21, away from Thermae. These were college students, store clerks, and one who worked at the duty free store at the airport. I had multiple sessions with one store clerk who worked at Big C, and the airport worker wanted to be my girlfriend after 3 sessions. I would suggest checking out the streetwalkers away from Thermae and Nana to find amateurs. It was good to have a reliable girl I could meet on the weekends when I was off work, and not feel rushed during the session. We would often meet at a predetermined intersection and take a taxi to one of the love hotels to spend an hour or two of fun.
For the girls, they have a regular life and job, but just don't make a lot of money so the sessions we have together helps them out a lot. Also, since they're regular girls, there's less chance they're fucking 3-4 guys each day to pay the rent. Meeting a girl once a week would double their income, so we're both benefitting from the sessions. Your experience may differ, but the best times I had in Bangkok were with amateur street walkers.

Billboard was fucking packed last night around midnight. To the extent that I would label it a sausage fest. I generally prefer places where the girl to guy ratio is overwhelmingly in favor of the man rather than vice versa. That's one reason I left the sex Sharia country that is the USA. But regardless, there was still room to sit (just barely), and there were still several pretty girls available on stage I would have taken, but I'd say overall that most girls still available were just average and I wouldn't pay 5 k baht (4 k ST+ 1 k BF) for them. I will assume the situation is better if you come earlier. Had a beer and then walked around Nana Plaza. Anyone been to Bunny 5 (Some very cute girls in front & inside and no customers but wasn't sure if it's a scam bar or not.

Then walked up and down soi 4 a bit around 1 am-ish to check the freelancer situation. Still a good number of freelancers particularly in front of Maison Hotel. Vietnamese, Chinese I assume from PRC, I even saw large Arab women in their Muslim garb. Looks were average to slightly above average, in favor of the Viet girls. Again I will assume the prettier ones get picked up before 1 am. Many African girls too on the street opposite to Maison hotel, there was one I would consider beautiful but I don't go with Africans girls anymore (100% of the ones I've been with have had odor issues and I don't mean body odor, whereas out of 100+ Thai girls only 2-3 have had obvious bacterial vaginosis).

Headed to Thermae in time for closing, tons of desperate and pretty girls spilling out onto the street, many lowering their price to 2 k ST but the prettier ones (those that are willing to go with farang) still firm on 3 k though they'd probably discount LT. I don't do LT so I didn't ask. In general almost every girl I've been with in Thermae has asked 3 k, as a white guy. Some older / less prettier ones have asked 2500, some younger / prettier ones have asked 3500. If I got quoted 5 k, I would laugh and keep walking, which is probably what they want anyways. 3 k is already more than enough for the rushed & mechanical job most girls there do, but sometimes you find a real gem that becomes a regular, which is why I keep going back. I will say that the freelancer situation in front of Thermae has gotten much better, and I don't mean the ladyboys. There are small groups of very young & pretty Lao girls (20-22 years old) who hang out around Thermae not long after opening. They can't go in because they don't have a Thai ID card. They get snatched up fairly quick but I did get one's LINE, will see her this week when I have time. I would say the freelancer situation on Sukhumvit between Soi Cowboy & Nana Plaza in general is better than I've seen in a long time, maybe due to the faltering economy, lower number of Chinese visitors, and Thermae overflowing.

[QUOTE=ShiftTab;2989868]I had experience with streetwalkers and prefer them to the girls in the clubs. They're a mix of pros and amateurs, but I've had good luck with amateurs who I found near Soi 21, away from Thermae. These were college students, store clerks, and one who worked at the duty free store at the airport. I had multiple sessions with one store clerk who worked at Big C, and the airport worker wanted to be my girlfriend after 3 sessions. I would suggest checking out the streetwalkers away from Thermae and Nana to find amateurs. It was good to have a reliable girl I could meet on the weekends when I was off work, and not feel rushed during the session. We would often meet at a predetermined intersection and take a taxi to one of the love hotels to spend an hour or two of fun.
For the girls, they have a regular life and job, but just don't make a lot of money so the sessions we have together helps them out a lot. Also, since they're regular girls, there's less chance they're fucking 3-4 guys each day to pay the rent. Meeting a girl once a week would double their income, so we're both benefitting from the sessions. Your experience may differ, but the best times I had in Bangkok were with amateur street walkers.[/QUOTE]Where on 21? You mean 21 road. Which side?

[QUOTE=EzPlayar;2989422]However, I did see a ton of fairly hot Thais hand in hand with western dudes in the street. It looked certainly looked appealing and more than just one-off wham bam.[/QUOTE]All my eyes ever see is guys appearing to drag their hooker catch of the day down the street. It is more like some caveman shit. The girl is always behind, not next to him. And 98% of the time not hot at all. I have never seen something like that with people who are an actual couple.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2989296]Hey guys,

This might be a dumb question but how are the freelancers on the streets on Sukhumvit? Or the girls just outside Thermae (non LB)?

I have this assumption of street walkers being lesser quality, but I could be wrong. Do you guys go with street walkers? Reliable? Please share your thoughts on the street walking freelancers.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Like any other group of P4P girls, it's a mixed bag. In my experience:

1. They are more likely to try to change the agreement in the room. Best to agree to everything you want while still on the street (shower, DFK, BJ, sex, whatever you want). Be sure to pay after and feel free to kick them out if necessary.

2. Price typically a little less than girls from a bar.

3. More concern over having a ladyboy. If not 100% sure, just ask her.

4. Since she isn't affiliated with any bar or massage shop, it's easier for her to disappear. I encourage you to give her ID to reception in case there are problems.

5. I typically see about 30 to 50 streetwalkers before I find one that is doable. But, there are a few hotties. Very few.

[QUOTE=ShiftTab;2989868]I've had good luck with amateurs who I found near Soi 21, away from Thermae. These were college students, store clerks, and one who worked at the duty free store at the airport.
For the girls, they have a regular life and job, but just don't make a lot of money so the sessions we have together helps them out a lot.[/QUOTE]Same thing in Pattaya on Beach Road, yet people have a misconception all of them are drug addicts, uglies, and people the bars won't allow to work.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2989850]No they won't throw them serves at you. Visual evidence is Lacking.[/QUOTE]Visualize yourself somewhere outside Pattaya / a couple kilometers away from the BTS line. While you're at it, imagine you're not a drunk and you can speak to them in their language.

[QUOTE=ShiftTab;2989868]I had experience with streetwalkers and prefer them to the girls in the clubs. They're a mix of pros and amateurs, but I've had good luck with amateurs who I found near Soi 21, away from Thermae. These were college students, store clerks, and one who worked at the duty free store at the airport. I had multiple sessions with one store clerk who worked at Big C, and the airport worker wanted to be my girlfriend after 3 sessions. I would suggest checking out the streetwalkers away from Thermae and Nana to find amateurs. It was good to have a reliable girl I could meet on the weekends when I was off work, and not feel rushed during the session. We would often meet at a predetermined intersection and take a taxi to one of the love hotels to spend an hour or two of fun.
For the girls, they have a regular life and job, but just don't make a lot of money so the sessions we have together helps them out a lot. Also, since they're regular girls, there's less chance they're fucking 3-4 guys each day to pay the rent. Meeting a girl once a week would double their income, so we're both benefitting from the sessions. Your experience may differ, but the best times I had in Bangkok were with amateur street walkers.[/QUOTE]Please share where you find these girls. I'd much rather prefer amateurs. Away from thermae and go where? Share details please.

Also, how do you detect these girls to be amateurs? I'm always kinda careful with even looking at the street freelancers because so often they're LB, which isn't my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2990033]Please share where you find these girls. I'd much rather prefer amateurs. Away from thermae and go where? Share details please.

Also, how do you detect these girls to be amateurs? I'm always kinda careful with even looking at the street freelancers because so often they're LB, which isn't my cup of tea.[/QUOTE]The ones that ask for money arent amateurs. There's no such thing as an amateur hooker.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2990033]Please share where you find these girls. I'd much rather prefer amateurs. Away from thermae and go where? Share details please.

Also, how do you detect these girls to be amateurs? I'm always kinda careful with even looking at the street freelancers because so often they're LB, which isn't my cup of tea.[/QUOTE]This is my two pesos worth of advice. Thermae and street girls pretend and give you the illusion of amateurs. But they just pretend because they really are ballin mfking pros! If you want to get the real amateurs, then stay on the Sukhumvit area only and approach every Thai female vendor you see. It's all about shyness. Who wouldn't want to make 2500 baht per hour in Thailand just to lay there. But as far ask cup of tea and LBs, all I can say is avoid the vendor that sell Thai tea and Matcha tea on the new bags. Or you can try and let me know how is the quality and taste. Maybe just stick to cups. LOL "stick to cups".

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2990077]Who wouldn't want to make 2500 baht per hour in Thailand just to lay there.[/QUOTE]Someone who is not a sex worker.

Seriously, stop advising people to chase women who are not in P4 P scene. I am sure many locals find it rude. Keep your dirty desires to designated spots only.

There's a Univetsity School Girl who hangs out by the entrance to NANA. Looks like an Amateur.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2989874]. Many African girls too on the street opposite to Maison hotel, there was one I would consider beautiful but I don't go with Africans girls anymore (100% of the ones I've been with have had odor issues and I don't mean body odor, whereas out of 100+ Thai girls only 2-3 have had obvious bacterial vaginosis).
[/QUOTE]Come to think of it, one of mine had that issue, but the other three were fine (including the squirter).

After a week in Pattaya we came back for a one night stop over in BKK. My wingman was determined to visit Billboard and bar fine the girl he had the week before. I was keen to try another girl from that agogo. We left our hotel too early to visit Billboard and decided to pop into a small bar in Soi 8 that had two nice pool tables, but what pulled us in was a stunning looking girl sitting out the front. My wingman made a bee line straight for her. She was easily one of the most attractive girls I have seen in these small bars with a tight body. The other girls in the bar were not worth the attention but they knew how to play pool. So while I played pool, my wingman went to work to see what was on offer. The girl was keen for a short time bar fine and this presented my wingman with a huge problem. Go for the new girl or stick with the girl from the week before? IMHO both girls were high quality and the only difference was the known VS the unknown. He was thinking of doing both but as we had to be up very early, time was not on his side. In the end he got her line number and decided he would see if the Billboard girl was working. So into Billboard we went and being a Saturday night it was packed. We secured a good set of seats and proceeded to look at the girls. The quality was mixed although there were some very attractive girls. My wingman managed to spot his girl and had her with him in a flash. I took more time and finally settled on one that had a very pretty face, nice figure with natural small breasts.

I bar fined her and when she came back from getting dressed I thought, wow, stylish and a very, very tidy package. After a few more drinks at the bar we decided to go back to the hotel. Off my wingman went to his room with a huge smile on his face. Back in my room my girl proceeded to take a shower and then came out revealing a fantastic curly body, nice arse and perky breasts. I then began to give her long cat bath which got her super wet and then began tasting her pussy, which was amazing. So soft, clean and easily one of the best pussies I have seen and had the pleasure of performing DATY on. So much so that I spent a lot of time doing DATY. She was so wet and I knew that I needed to pop a cap on and get into that wet pussy. While not a GFE in that kissing was limited, the sex was great, many positions, and it was not rushed. I felt like I was having sex with a woman, not some immature young thing. The view of her arse as I got her from behind is something to remember. WIR, hell yeah, and I am really annoyed I did not grab her the week before when I had two days in BKK.

So the last night in BKK was really fun. Both my wingman and I enjoyed the company of two attractive girls in their 20's. Got to lo love BKK.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2990033]Please share where you find these girls. I'd much rather prefer amateurs. Away from thermae and go where? Share details please.

Also, how do you detect these girls to be amateurs? I'm always kinda careful with even looking at the street freelancers because so often they're LB, which isn't my cup of tea.[/QUOTE]It has been a while since I was in Bangkok, but the girls I found were on Sukhumvit near Soi 21, around the Terminal 21 mall, and also on Phetchaburi road near the train station. The girls might hang out at different locations now, since I haven't been in Bangkok for several years. Most of the girls I found on the streets were actually bar girls or club girls who were looking for additional work after the bars or clubs closed, but I did get lucky with a few amateurs. You can't tell they're amateurs by their appearance, but if they're wearing stripper high heel shoes, very revealing clothes, and tons of makeup, it's likely they're not amateurs. I found out these girls were amateurs with regular lives and jobs by talking to them while we were in the love hotel and their willingness to give me their phone numbers to arrange future meetings. They also don't give out the same vibes the pros do. Also, when you do have sex with them, if the girl sucks your dick, then strokes your penis with her hand while sucking your balls in her mouth like in a porn video, she's likely not an amateur. The amateur girls I had recurring meetings with enjoyed more vanilla sex. The last girl I had before leaving Bangkok, the college student, never sucked my dick and wasn't interested in sucking my dick unless I shaved off all the hair down there. She, however, really enjoyed letting me lick her pussy and liked fucking in missionary and doggy, but no other positions. After you have about a dozen sessions with the pros from the bars and clubs, it'll become easier to determine the amateurs when they're in bed with you.

This is Plantsmoke. Someone asked shift tab a question and to provide details. Shifttab was compliant and made great effort to provide a response. However he fell short in his response.

"streetwalkers near the petchburi train station. ".

Responses like this drive me nuts and are useless. How many train stations are there in petchburi. There is one in maskkasan right? And is he talking of a train station or the bts (sky train)?

If the result is sending a reader on a wild goose chase, then respectfully please don't contribute till your facts are straight.

[QUOTE=ShiftTab;2991067]It has been a while since I was in Bangkok, but the girls I found were on Sukhumvit near Soi 21, around the Terminal 21 mall, and also on Phetchaburi road near the train station. The girls might hang out at different locations now, since I haven't been in Bangkok for several years. Most of the girls I found on the streets were actually bar girls or club girls who were looking for additional work after the bars or clubs closed, but I did get lucky with a few amateurs. You can't tell they're amateurs by their appearance, but if they're wearing stripper high heel shoes, very revealing clothes, and tons of makeup, it's likely they're not amateurs. I found out these girls were amateurs with regular lives and jobs by talking to them while we were in the love hotel and their willingness to give me their phone numbers to arrange future meetings. They also don't give out the same vibes the pros do. Also, when you do have sex with them, if the girl sucks your dick, then strokes your penis with her hand while sucking your balls in her mouth like in a porn video, she's likely not an amateur. The amateur girls I had recurring meetings with enjoyed more vanilla sex. The last girl I had before leaving Bangkok, the college student, never sucked my dick and wasn't interested in sucking my dick unless I shaved off all the hair down there. She, however, really enjoyed letting me lick her pussy and liked fucking in missionary and doggy, but no other positions. After you have about a dozen sessions with the pros from the bars and clubs, it'll become easier to determine the amateurs when they're in bed with you.[/QUOTE]As of my last trip to Bangkok (January, 2025) there were no hookers near Terminal 21 except late night ladyboys.

Petchaburi Road used to be a low end Thai track replete with ladyboys but I haven't been past there in a year. There were girls near the old Soapies after they closed.

There is no such thing as an amateur hooker, your romanticizing aside.

[QUOTE=ShiftTab;2991067]the college student, never sucked my dick and wasn't interested in sucking my dick unless I shaved off all the hair down there.[/QUOTE]I started trimming and shaving about 4 years ago. Since then I've noticed that girls are more enthusiastic during oral than prior. I did have one non-P4P girlfriend who preferred natural, but she was so hairy that I couldn't go down on her without that untamed bush ruining the experience for me.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2991214]I started trimming and shaving about 4 years ago. Since then I've noticed that girls are more enthusiastic during oral than prior. I did have one non-P4P girlfriend who preferred natural, but she was so hairy that I couldn't go down on her without that untamed bush ruining the experience for me.[/QUOTE]Well, if you want to leave yourself more vulnerable to catching STDs, by all means shave away. I have rarely had a girl complain about my pubes, P4P or otherwise. And when they have it's just a vague kind of an expression of preference, not a deal breaker. I can't understand why it would put girls off giving you oral. It's not like you have hair on your penis. Or do you?

Visited Thermae Bar last night to see how the scene is holding up. It was busy, with the usual mix of Japanese and Korean men, and some Westerners. Westerners were the sure minority.

Observations:

I saw one middle-aged Russian guy strike out with at least 10 different girls. Most weren't interested, and one didn't even bother looking up from her phone while he tried talking to her.

From what I saw, Asian guys (especially Japanese / Korean) still have a clear advantage. Girls are more responsive to them.

If you're non-Asian, it's best to wait for eye contact. That's the only real sign of interest that means something. Approaching random girls who haven't looked at you first is a waste of time.

It took me about an hour to find a girl I liked and who showed interest back.

Engagement:

Once we connected, things moved quickly.

Agreed price: 2,500 baht for short time.

I paid an additional 1,000 baht for BBFS CIP which I just paid up in the room as a tip. We never discussed it beforehand, but we had good chemistry. I took her for a quick drink on Soi 11 at Oskar and she loved the bottle of wine. Taking selfies with her glass held up half the time.

Thermae hasn't changed much. Success depends on chemistry, not just money. If you're a Westerner, don't expect girls to jump at you. Watch for eye contact, be patient, and don't chase uninterested ones. The scene still works, but you have to play it smart. Posters like Koryu who have accurate reports about this place being more friendly for Asian dudes are spot on.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2988072]Hey guys,

I went to thermae tonight and this was my second time going. I approached few girls and I had like 3 or 4 say "no" to me. Then the few that did reply, wanted 3000-5000 bt.

I don't know if this was because I didn't look good or what. I was dressed in sneakers, shirt, and jeans so not sloppy tourist. I felt I was being given inflated prices. Have any of you experienced this? It just kinda annoyed me because I don't think I"m that fugly to be warranted such negative responses LOL.

To me the situation also felt kinda strange because some people pay for sex to bypass the whole attracting the girl scenario. But here it was like you're trying to attract, and still have to pay.

In any case, I ended up not going with any. Many others have had good experiences, as per the previous reports, this was just my experience.

[/QUOTE]What could he have done? Wait for eye contact before moving in to speak.

So, about Thermae guys. Listen to the posters who are actually boots on the ground. By the way, Tooms is way more experienced in Thermae than I am and he knows how to lock the girls down in there with the least chance of getting shot down. Learn from guys like him with constant boots on the ground.


For me, I enjoy the bar scene or Thai Friendly me than Thermae. However, this place offers a change of pace that I enjoy every once in a while.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2991749]

Agreed price: 2,500 baht for short time.

I paid an additional 1,000 baht for BBFS CIP which I just paid up in the room as a tip. We never discussed it beforehand, but we had good chemistry. I took her for a quick drink on Soi 11 at Oskar and she loved the bottle of wine. Taking selfies with her glass held up half the time.

[/QUOTE]Is BBFS getting more common now? Last time I went to thailand was 2016 and I never asked, but got it a few times during the heat of the moment and didn't pay extra. Is it something you guys usually talk about before hand?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2990070]The ones that ask for money arent amateurs. There's no such thing as an amateur hooker.[/QUOTE]

In Bangkok maybe there are no amateur hookers in the sense that if they are pay for play, they are professional. However, there are new girls who have just got themselves into the game or part timers. I think those are more what guys are looking for when they say amateurs.

For me the best way to find amateurs in this sense of the word in Bangkok is on Thai Friendly. I have met some really good first time hookers on their who could not speak a word of English. They said they could not communicate with 99% percent of the guys on TF but they were hoping to come across someone like me who could speak Thai. So, in this context, I was lucky to find about 10 girls like this over that past several years in Bangkok.

Another place I have had luck was getting referrals from other freelancers or bar girls I know from Nana or Soi Cowboy or TF. Many have contacted me to introduce me to newbies because I can speak Thai. Often the rates were similar to Pattaya such as 1500 Baht plus the taxi fare as an example.

I have also been lucky to find a few in Soi 7 who could not speak any English as well. Little to no experience and young. 20-23.

Man I miss Bee Talk. This app back in the day was a great way to meet university girls in Bangkok.

Whatever you do guys, do not approach random street vendors on Sukhumvit trying to solicit pay for play services upfront. You could find yourself in a shit load of legal trouble. The best way to do this is to just ask for their contact details. Chat later and ask them out for coffee to feel them out first. Or even do it over line. Ask them what they are looking for. Invite her to your hotel without mentioning pay for play. If she says yes, it's almost a given she will be willing.Then work out the details while she is at your hotel.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2991749]Visited Thermae Bar last night to see how the scene is holding up. It was busy, with the usual mix of Japanese and Korean men, and some Westerners. Westerners were the sure minority.

Observations:

I saw one middle-aged Russian guy strike out with at least 10 different girls. Most weren't interested, and one didn't even bother looking up from her phone while he tried talking to her.

From what I saw, Asian guys (especially Japanese / Korean) still have a clear advantage. Girls are more responsive to them.

If you're non-Asian, it's best to wait for eye contact. That's the only real sign of interest that means something. Approaching random girls who haven't looked at you first is a waste of time.

It took me about an hour to find a girl I liked and who showed interest back.

Engagement:

Once we connected, things moved quickly.

Agreed price: 2,500 baht for short time.

I paid an additional 1,000 baht for BBFS CIP which I just paid up in the room as a tip. We never discussed it beforehand, but we had good chemistry. I took her for a quick drink on Soi 11 at Oskar and she loved the bottle of wine. Taking selfies with her glass held up half the time.

Thermae hasn't changed much. Success depends on chemistry, not just money. If you're a Westerner, don't expect girls to jump at you. Watch for eye contact, be patient, and don't chase uninterested ones. The scene still works, but you have to play it smart. Posters like Koryu who have accurate reports about this place being more friendly for Asian dudes are spot on.

What could he have done? Wait for eye contact before moving in to speak.

So, about Thermae guys. Listen to the posters who are actually boots on the ground. By the way, Tooms is way more experienced in Thermae than I am and he knows how to lock the girls down in there with the least chance of getting shot down. Learn from guys like him with constant boots on the ground.


For me, I enjoy the bar scene or Thai Friendly me than Thermae. However, this place offers a change of pace that I enjoy every once in a while.[/QUOTE]I had a 'meh' experience in Thermae. In some ways, the chase was more fun. I think it has a lot to do with luck. There's just so many chicks there, how do you choose when you have limited time? IF you're lucky enough to live in Bangkok full time, then Thermae would be way more fun for you, cause when you find 2 or 3 really good chicks at Thermae, you can repeat with them. But if you've got like 2 weeks, it's a crap shoot. Like I got 3 chicks from Thermae in the few weeks I had in Bangkok, and 2 were bad, one was ok. Statistically, if I had pulled more, eventually I'd find a spectacular one. And then I'd be able to rate Thermae better.

Thermae is all about time and luck. Even if a fellow hobbyist has a great time with a specific chick there, don't mean she's going to necessarily give you a great time.

Many senior experinced brothers have advised to avoid go go bars in soi cow boy. Request any fellow brother to identify these bars by name for benefit of we all. Thanks.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2991749]Visited Thermae Bar last night to see how the scene is holding up. It was busy, with the usual mix of Japanese and Korean men, and some Westerners. Westerners were the sure minority.

Observations:

I saw one middle-aged Russian guy strike out with at least 10 different girls. Most weren't interested, and one didn't even bother looking up from her phone while he tried talking to her.

From what I saw, Asian guys (especially Japanese / Korean) still have a clear advantage. Girls are more responsive to them.

If you're non-Asian, it's best to wait for eye contact. That's the only real sign of interest that means something. Approaching random girls who haven't looked at you first is a waste of time.

It took me about an hour to find a girl I liked and who showed interest back.

Engagement:

Once we connected, things moved quickly.

Agreed price: 2,500 baht for short time.

I paid an additional 1,000 baht for BBFS CIP which I just paid up in the room as a tip. We never discussed it beforehand, but we had good chemistry. I took her for a quick drink on Soi 11 at Oskar and she loved the bottle of wine. Taking selfies with her glass held up half the time.

Thermae hasn't changed much. Success depends on chemistry, not just money. If you're a Westerner, don't expect girls to jump at you. Watch for eye contact, be patient, and don't chase uninterested ones. The scene still works, but you have to play it smart. Posters like Koryu who have accurate reports about this place being more friendly for Asian dudes are spot on.

What could he have done? Wait for eye contact before moving in to speak.

[B]So, about Thermae guys. Listen to the posters who are actually boots on the ground. By the way, Tooms is way more experienced in Thermae than I am and he knows how to lock the girls down in there with the least chance of getting shot down. Learn from guys like him with constant boots on the ground.[/b]


For me, I enjoy the bar scene or Thai Friendly me than Thermae. However, this place offers a change of pace that I enjoy every once in a while.[/QUOTE]Hi EThai. Thanks for the mention but I should remind my fellow Thermae punters that I have been all about getting an upfront agreement from the girl that she will engage in BBFSCIP or at minimum BBBJCIM before I tell her "Yes, Let's Go" for quite some time now. Maybe even for DATY and DFK if her big broad smile has not already turned into a grimace of horror and dread and she hasn't removed her hand from my hand or arm like it just turned into a turd at the mere suggestion that I want to engage in BBFSCIP with her. LOL.

That approach has a spotty enough success rate when I am in a gogo bar, a beer bar or on the street. But, as I have mentioned in the past, my absolute worst success rate for getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP from the, imo, rather wide range of acceptable looking and pleasant demeanor sex partner prospects, would have to be in Massage Shops, so-called Porn Sex Experience / Anything Goes Happy Ending Shops such as Tulip and Snow White in Bangkok, virtually anywhere in Pattaya and, yep, inside and right outside of Thermae.

And I think this mission of mine to get an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP, before I say "Yes, let's go" to any girl anywhere, before a barfine is paid, eons before bottles of wine are bought at a different bar, certainly well before we are "going with the flow" in the room or at crunch time when I am poised for entry with my bare back dick a centimeter away from her bare back pussy puts me in a totally different category of punter from 99% if not more of all other punters in Thailand, who for the most part would never go about their punting mission my way and, from what I have read and heard, by far prefer the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach. An approach I largely but I admit did not 100% abandoned years ago.

Therefore, we might be comparing Apples to Oranges when it comes to what I lock in or not, especially in Thermae, vs most other punters. My observation of what passes for upfront "negotiation" in Thermae among practically every other punter except me is that it seems to be only about how much and for how long. Maybe for how many pops. But I see very little evidence of any discussion about "for what", least of all for anything resembling BBFSCIP or even BBBJCIM.

It is a completely different game on a completely different playing field from what I am up to.

However, I do think a reasonable comparison or point of reference can be made between me and other punters with regard to locking in an awareness of likely positive response from the above average lookers in Thermae. But only right up until we get to my particular upfront agreement approach. As a 71 year old white guy in reasonably good shape, having showered and put on clean conservative style clothes, armed with a big inviting smile and perhaps a "sawatdee krup" or two, I can honestly say I get pretty darn good positive initial response and even a reach out or four from many except the most determined Asian Customers Only elite hookers in the place.

Perhaps more to the point, my very high rate of eventual rejection from Thermae girls for what I consider to be Real Sex as I described above in context of my much preferred upfront agreement for it approach has never led me to believe less than 90% of the girls in Thermae would absolutely without hesitation agree to go with me in front of god and everyone else present in and outside of Thermae if the only things I mentioned or asked them in the bar was "How much? How long? And how many pops"?

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;2991896]Many senior experinced brothers have advised to avoid go go bars in soi cow boy. Request any fellow brother to identify these bars by name for benefit of we all. Thanks.[/QUOTE]"The Arab" has owned Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Spice Girls bars on Soi Cowboy for a relatively long time. There may be others as well, but I'm not so up to date with recent developments on Soi Cowboy.

I'm planning on heading to BKK next month in April for a short 3-4 day getaway after the songkran festival. I plan on staying in the DMK airport area given there are so many nice hotels at a very reasonable price compared to the ones on Sukhumvit road. A quick scan reveals hotels like 12 day residence and 7 days premium all under 5000 THB for 3-4 nights total.

Are there any good mongering establishments in the DMK neighbourhood within walking distance? Also on the look out for some legit massage shops that provide foot massages as they are my nightly favourite before going to bed. I plan on taking grab every evening to sukhumvit road to forage for punani and then again back to my hotel in the DMK area. I wonder how much would a single one way trip cost and and hopefully it would burn a hole in my wallet.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2991984]I'm planning on heading to BKK next month in April for a short 3-4 day getaway after the songkran festival. I plan on staying in the DMK airport area given there are so many nice hotels at a very reasonable price compared to the ones on Sukhumvit road. A quick scan reveals hotels like 12 day residence and 7 days premium all under 5000 THB for 3-4 nights total.

Are there any good mongering establishments in the DMK neighbourhood within walking distance? Also on the look out for some legit massage shops that provide foot massages as they are my nightly favourite before going to bed. I plan on taking grab every evening to sukhumvit road to forage for punani and then again back to my hotel in the DMK area. I wonder how much would a single one way trip cost and and hopefully it would burn a hole in my wallet.[/QUOTE]Tip: just open the grap app while outside Thailand and enter the to and from addresses to see what it will cost, and google maps for a better idea of how long it will take. My guess is one hour plus each way, so I wouldn't bother with that myself.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2991984]I'm planning on heading to BKK next month in April for a short 3-4 day getaway after the songkran festival. I plan on staying in the DMK airport area given there are so many nice hotels at a very reasonable price compared to the ones on Sukhumvit road. A quick scan reveals hotels like 12 day residence and 7 days premium all under 5000 THB for 3-4 nights total.

Are there any good mongering establishments in the DMK neighbourhood within walking distance? Also on the look out for some legit massage shops that provide foot massages as they are my nightly favourite before going to bed. I plan on taking grab every evening to sukhumvit road to forage for punani and then again back to my hotel in the DMK area. I wonder how much would a single one way trip cost and and hopefully it would burn a hole in my wallet.[/QUOTE]This morning I took a taxi on that route and it was 500 baht and 45 minutes. That 45 minutes can get up to a couple hours in times of bad traffic, I’ve experienced that. Based on 500 baht for taxi, perhaps 300 for Grab.

The overall concept does not seem good to me. Too much wasted time in transportation

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2989485]FIWFANS and see, 2 Telegram groups with 42 K and 52 K members respectively, have been sending their ads to me daily with availabilities of various girls.

Did not see the girls I know; their Line chat ID were STOP or went unanswered.

I can't read Thai. Sign in Telegram and check these groups. The bros may be able to access their services.[/QUOTE]Can you share the telegram link, headed to BKK in a few days.

FWIW here are my thoughts.

Tulip is the 'legend', pretty much ANYTHING goes there and as many fellow punters will confirm it has a reputation for a reason. The girls vary from awful to decent (you won't find any stunners there) but you will get exceptional PSE service from pretty much all of them; however the real downside is the place is very shabby with crap decor & small rooms, but you aren't going there for the rooms so does it really matter? It's def worth a visit of you're brave enough.

Snow White & Cherry have now combined, not as PSE as Tulip (nowhere is) but they will also pretty much do anything. Girls tend to be slightly better looking than Tulip but not all of them do everything (I. E. Anal) so best ask the Mammasan what you want & she will ensure all OK. Rooms are definitely cleaner & nicer than Tulip & if you get the right girl the service is 99% of Tulips (IMHO).

Bamboo to me is the most underrated of the lot & I really don't know why? Clean rooms, nice atmosphere and some of the girls are pretty good looking IMHO. As long as you know what you want and explain in detail to the Mammasan then you will get what you are after. I've been multiple times (if you can't tell) and have never been disappointed. Bamboo is a tad more expensive than the others but it's peanuts for USD / GBP / AUD tourists so what does it matter?

Cheers & good luck.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;2926203]With my limited experience, IMO, PSE is available in only three to four massage parlours in Bangkok, they are.

A. Tulip b. Snowwhite c . Cherry d. Bamboo.

I request more experinced brothers to further add up on this list.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WithNailAndI;2992107]FWIW here are my thoughts.

Tulip is the 'legend', pretty much ANYTHING goes there and as many fellow punters will confirm it has a reputation for a reason. The girls vary from awful to decent (you won't find any stunners there) but you will get exceptional PSE service from pretty much all of them; however the real downside is the place is very shabby with crap decor & small rooms, but you aren't going there for the rooms so does it really matter? It's def worth a visit of you're brave enough.

Snow White & Cherry have now combined, not as PSE as Tulip (nowhere is) but they will also pretty much do anything. Girls tend to be slightly better looking than Tulip but not all of them do everything (I. E. Anal) so best ask the Mammasan what you want & she will ensure all OK. Rooms are definitely cleaner & nicer than Tulip & if you get the right girl the service is 99% of Tulips (IMHO).

Bamboo to me is the most underrated of the lot & I really don't know why? Clean rooms, nice atmosphere and some of the girls are pretty good looking IMHO. As long as you know what you want and explain in detail to the Mammasan then you will get what you are after. I've been multiple times (if you can't tell) and have never been disappointed. Bamboo is a tad more expensive than the others but it's peanuts for USD / GBP / AUD tourists so what does it matter?

Cheers & good luck.[/QUOTE]SW just added a 500 Baht A+ charge.

Went to BKK48 for a bbj. Mamsan brought out 4 girls. Two or three I recognized from the website. Pictures were quite accurate!

I chose Kitty. Not who I would have chosen from the website, but she had the right energy in the line-up. Others were better looking, but seemed a little bored or tired. I'm a believer in letting the girl choose you.

Pay 1300 baht and up to the room we go.

She showered me, then pulled down her top and got to work. Not an exemplary effort, but got the job done. I say not exemplary because she would not allow CIM. Otherwise OK, and I would like to try some of the other girls. But I would not repeat unless the next girl allows CIM.

Fargler.

Visiting BKK after 4 years. All the previous 5 visits were before I discovered this wonderful platform. Thank you for this trove of knowledge and wisdom LOL.

Went to Doki Doki massage earlier today. Had good memories from my last visit, so decided to repeat. It has gone completely downhill. I visited around 1:30 in the afternoon. The place was deserted and I was the apparently the first customer of the day, or at least that's what the lady on reception told me. She showed me pictures of 3 women who were available, but I asked for a lineup. All 3 were nothing like their pictures, all atleast above 35, and at best, rank no more than 4 on a scale of 10. Since I was there for nostalgia sake, I decided to go ahead, hoping that the performance will live up to my past experience. Chose the leanest one from the 3 for an hour and paid 3 K. Her name was Sonya, if memory serves me right.

Inside the room, it was a familiar ambiance, large room, clean bed, and a large bathing area with an air mat. She asked me to lie down on the mattress, and started with a decent soapy massage which lasted for about 15 minutes. So far so good, at least in the performance. But then, things went south. She prepared the nuru gel, and poured all over me, and started rubbing it with hands. I remember they used their tongue all over the body, right from your toes up till the ears. This lady just licked my back for 2 minutes and asked me to flip. There was no rimming, no toe sucking, and no balls licking. When I asked for them, she said she has never done that! I told her she was in the wrong profession in that case.

The horror continued when she pulled out a condom and started putting it on. I asked about the blowjob, and she said she has braces and she will suck me with a condom! When I resisted, she started licking my balls gently with her tongue and within 2 minutes, again went to the condom. I lost all hope by then, asked her to wash off the gel and end the session. She offered me a massage for the rest of the hour, but I politely declined. She then cleared me up, I got ready and came out in about 30 minutes.

Never going back to Doki Doki again. Will try Aries next, and hope will be able to recover from the utter disappointment.

Will provide by 2 cents on the places I visit and women I meet through the day. Ciao!

Looking to join forces with fellow mongers for visits to Pimp and T-Ded 99. I confess I can't speak Thai, so I will probably not be of much help with translations LOL. Nevertheless, as the say, more the merrier. So please feel free to DM if you are here and would like to join forces as well. TIA.

I had a quick in and out so to speak on Saturday night starting at 11.

I had one already set up, so it was just scouting.

Soi Nana. African hookers on the corner where the store closes up, a whole line up of them, ugly and pungent. I did see one mobile who was actually attractive, a young one too. The Schoolgirl on the corner of the Nana entrance was in her usual spot, heavily negotiating with an older white guy, hope he doesn't Overpay.

Cross the street were the usual nasty deaf girls, all the real "hotties" are down near the Hotels across from Lady Boy corner and Kitty corner to the Novatel, some are older Viets, there was nothing young and attractive. There was one short haired Blonde MILF and a younger fake blonde, looked to be Arab / Turk / Iran style, with a slinky body but a face that required a Burkha. There were two Burkha babes out too, and the African corner on the Landmark was packed. In fact, the crowds down on that end were huge.

I ran into Bunnys, horrible, Twister had tons of tattoo girls, Raninbow 5 had a real nice selection, unfortunately I was in a hurry. The whole Plaza was packed. To my Indian brethren: deoderant please. The plane ride back to Cambodia was like being on a Delhi train.

I was shocked at Thermae it was like a whole new lineup (probably a lot were busy) and only two or three gilrs that even caught my eye. Mostly chinese there based on language.

My "date" no longer works at Thermae but its still paying off LOL.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2991984]I'm planning on heading to BKK next month in April for a short 3-4 day getaway after the songkran festival. I plan on staying in the DMK airport area given there are so many nice hotels at a very reasonable price compared to the ones on Sukhumvit road. A quick scan reveals hotels like 12 day residence and 7 days premium all under 5000 THB for 3-4 nights total.

Are there any good mongering establishments in the DMK neighbourhood within walking distance? Also on the look out for some legit massage shops that provide foot massages as they are my nightly favourite before going to bed. I plan on taking grab every evening to sukhumvit road to forage for punani and then again back to my hotel in the DMK area. I wonder how much would a single one way trip cost and and hopefully it would burn a hole in my wallet.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't stay out there but whatever floats your boat. Its boring, poor and industrial.

That being said, take the Redline from DMK to Bang Sue Central, then the MRT to Suk. Both should cost less than 100. Takes about 45 minutes Outbound meter about 300 in a cab. Download Grab.

[QUOTE=WithNailAndI;2992107]FWIW here are my thoughts.

Tulip is the 'legend', pretty much ANYTHING goes there and as many fellow punters will confirm it has a reputation for a reason. The girls vary from awful to decent (you won't find any stunners there) but you will get exceptional PSE service from pretty much all of them; however the real downside is the place is very shabby with crap decor & small rooms, but you aren't going there for the rooms so does it really matter? It's def worth a visit of you're brave enough.

Snow White & Cherry have now combined, not as PSE as Tulip (nowhere is) but they will also pretty much do anything. Girls tend to be slightly better looking than Tulip but not all of them do everything (I. E. Anal) so best ask the Mammasan what you want & she will ensure all OK. Rooms are definitely cleaner & nicer than Tulip & if you get the right girl the service is 99% of Tulips (IMHO).

Bamboo to me is the most underrated of the lot & I really don't know why? Clean rooms, nice atmosphere and some of the girls are pretty good looking IMHO. As long as you know what you want and explain in detail to the Mammasan then you will get what you are after. I've been multiple times (if you can't tell) and have never been disappointed. Bamboo is a tad more expensive than the others but it's peanuts for USD / GBP / AUD tourists so what does it matter?

Cheers & good luck.[/QUOTE]BTW, the SW and Cherry have separated. Peach is part of the Cherry empire. SW and Sky are the same owner.

Has anyone barfined a girl from Nana Plaza recently and can post the ST price they paid?? Specifically interested in Geisha & Billboard. I saw someone on another forum said he just got quoted 5 k ST + 1 k BF for Billboard, which would be a price increase up from 4 k ST. I also had a girl quote me 5 K at Lollipop a few days ago but I didn't clarify if she meant 4 k ST + 1 k BF or not because I had no intention of taking her out. I had assumed she meant 4 K ST + 1 K BF but the comment about Billboard got me thinking. In the absence of any recent experience, I'll go myself this weekend.

I arrive to my hotel around 5 pm, I didn't really do much research on my location, just looked on agoda for a reasonable place ($50 USD / night), walking distance to Nana Plaza. Upon arrival, I realized my hotel is on soi 7/1, which worked out great. Anyway, I check in, shower and hit Dr BJ / Woodbar, as it was just steps from my hotel. I wasn't too impressed with some of the ladies that were outside but still went in. The host greets me, tells me to sit down on, he calls the line up out, about 25 ladies come in. Two different levels, ladies in red were 1000 THB and the ones in white were 800 THB. I was honestly expecting some real dogs according to what people have mentioned here, but these ladies weren't terrible. They were all early 30's to late 40's, some chubby, some small, I'the say all had kids. I go with a red dress girl. She was early 30's, about 5 ft tall, maybe 85-90 pds, nice big fake see or the cups, wore glasses. She said her name was Mawn? Like dawn but with a M at the beginning. She takes me upstairs, washes me up, she gargles mouthwash, then we get to it. I've mongered various places, but her service was honestly the best I ever had. I last about 10 minutes and bust in her mouth. I had to just lay on the seat for a minute to get myself together, one of the best nuts I had in a while. I get up, she washes us both up. I get her name and when she works (everyday she says, evenings). I forgot to mention, I paid the manager after my selection. Next, I head a soi or 2 down. I get a manicure, pedicure, foot / shoulder / head massage, and a beer for about 1000 THB. Then, I head over to Nana, get a seat at the hooters, a few drinks, and chat up Meow for a few hours. Beautiful little spinner (all the girls were smoking). Around 11 pm I head into Nana and like an idiot I go with the first bargirl that gets my attention. She takes me into what I believe was called bunny or bunny2. I ordered way to many beers and girl / staff drinks / bucket of balls. Spent about 17 k, it was fun, but won't be doing that again. I didn't bar fine a girl. I want to kick myself for doing that, I could've had three ladies from the bar. Anywho, the bar fines were 1 k for the bar and 4 k for the girl (short time, 2 hrs). Now the bargirl that sat me was cute, but obvs a little older, and had a little mommy belly, I definitely would fuck if the rate was better. Now the girls on stage ranged from ok to hooters girl hot. They were spinners, under 25, tight little asses, no plastic, and no mommy damage. I'the love to try them all. They were definitely a couple girls that you could tell were new to the game that I considered. They weren't the best dancers, their makeup and outfitters needed improvement, they shied away from eye contact, didn't smile, etc. Ultimately, I decided against it because I don't really want to teach a girl how to suck my dick or fuck, plus my bill was retarded already. I was about to leave the bar around 2 am but the mamasan and girl I was with bought me a couple more beers. I ended up out of there around 330 am, walking to my place I get snagged by a massage girl, I say fuck it, and take her. She was older, like a 5, but I really like the griminess of fucking street meat. She gave me a lame massage, turns me over, she sucks and fucks me till I nut. I pay 2 k, hit soi 7/1 for some takeout, and I was in bed by 6 am. My first day was a blast but I got a month here, going to have to slow my roll a bit.

100% agree with Seth below. The Wood Bar ladies are past their prime yes. But some still attractive. Waaaay better than the hags at Kasalong say. And their BJ skills are on point. You will def have one of the best BJs of your life. Just close your eyes and enjoy!

Coincidence that I too started my Thai trip with wood bar though on 3/25.

Went like 7 ish. Had couple of drinks before heading there.

Moment I reached there were 25 ladies outside. I went in and holy fuck everyone came in for the lineup.

I found all of them to be below par and not a single stunner. However I felt bad and instead of skipping decided to choose a younger looking chick with glasses. Her name was Aimee (I think).

I did enquired about 36 number on their website. They told me she is gone for the day but will come tomorrow and took my phone number.

BJ process was exactly what has defined. They take you upstairs then cleanup. I also got a beer so was drinking while she cleaned and then gave a nice blowjob.

I would rate BJ a good 8/10.

It took me 5-10 minutes to come. I wanted to try for experience but I won't be going there again. Below average girls.

Had my dinner and ended up with 2 glass of wine over couple of scotch and beer.

Decided I cannot drink more.

I still had time to kill and I wanted a stunner. First went to soi cowboy and took a stroll and boy they do try to lure you in.

Decided to go back to thermae as my hotel is 4 min walk from there.

Now lot of people have mentioned how thermae is oriented more towards Asian customers and others and westerners gets a cold shoulder.

I am neither Asian nor westerner but I am brown guy from states. I was also dressed in shorts and t shirts.

So 90% of women will be in you irrespective of your skin. I was greeted and pursues by lot of women.

However 10% women ignored me and most of these were 20 year olds. One in particularly just said NO and. Answered everything as No.

I spend good 30 minutes there and talked with few. Finally picked one. 3 k st. I didn't bargained.

We walked holding hands. Which in itself was an experience.

I am staying in a nice hotel, so we went to room, gave her beer and she took shower and had a good time.

She said she will give CBJ. I said ok since I didn't clarified.

But I fucked her hard. Very hard as I was drunk and it took me quiet some time (20 plus minute) to cum.

Now she was 35 but I would have preferred someone younger and a stunner. I have also downloaded and bought premium for TF. Looking for 20 year olds. Many inbound and outbound happening but most likely will try one from TF for one of the afternoon ones.

Right now I want some stunner. So planning to go to soapies.

Regards,

Crater77.

[QUOTE=Crater77;2992644]Coincidence that I too started my Thai trip with wood bar though on 3/25.

Went like 7 ish. Had couple of drinks before heading there.

Moment I reached there were 25 ladies outside. I went in and holy fuck everyone came in for the lineup.

I found all of them to be below par and not a single stunner. However I felt bad and instead of skipping decided to choose a younger looking chick with glasses. Her name was Aimee (I think).

I did enquired about 36 number on their website. They told me she is gone for the day but will come tomorrow and took my phone number.

BJ process was exactly what has defined. They take you upstairs then cleanup. I also got a beer so was drinking while she cleaned and then gave a nice blowjob.

I would rate BJ a good 8/10.

It took me 5-10 minutes to come. I wanted to try for experience but I won't be going there again. Below average girls.

Had my dinner and ended up with 2 glass of wine over couple of scotch and beer.

Decided I cannot drink more.

I still had time to kill and I wanted a stunner. First went to soi cowboy and took a stroll and boy they do try to lure you in.

Decided to go back to thermae as my hotel is 4 min walk from there.

Now lot of people have mentioned how thermae is oriented more towards Asian customers and others and westerners gets a cold shoulder.

I am neither Asian nor westerner but I am brown guy from states. I was also dressed in shorts and t shirts.

So 90% of women will be in you irrespective of your skin. I was greeted and pursues by lot of women.

However 10% women ignored me and most of these were 20 year olds. One in particularly just said NO and. Answered everything as No.

I spend good 30 minutes there and talked with few. Finally picked one. 3 k st. I didn't bargained.

We walked holding hands. Which in itself was an experience.

I am staying in a nice hotel, so we went to room, gave her beer and she took shower and had a good time.

She said she will give CBJ. I said ok since I didn't clarified.

But I fucked her hard. Very hard as I was drunk and it took me quiet some time (20 plus minute) to cum.

Now she was 35 but I would have preferred someone younger and a stunner. I have also downloaded and bought premium for TF. Looking for 20 year olds. Many inbound and outbound happening but most likely will try one from TF for one of the afternoon ones.

Right now I want some stunner. So planning to go to soapies.

Regards,

Crater77.[/QUOTE]Want stunner but ended up with 35 year old. Him being Brown.

It's all in the Details Fellas.

[QUOTE=SethMacfarlane;2992480]I arrive to my hotel around 5 pm, I didn't really do much research on my location, just looked on agoda for a reasonable place ($50 USD / night), walking distance to Nana Plaza. Upon arrival, I realized my hotel is on soi 7/1, which worked out great. Anyway, I check in, shower and hit Dr BJ / Woodbar, as it was just steps from my hotel. I wasn't too impressed with some of the ladies that were outside but still went in. The host greets me, tells me to sit down on, he calls the line up out, about 25 ladies come in. Two different levels, ladies in red were 1000 THB and the ones in white were 800 THB. I was honestly expecting some real dogs according to what people have mentioned here, but these ladies weren't terrible. They were all early 30's to late 40's, some chubby, some small, I'the say all had kids. I go with a red dress girl. She was early 30's, about 5 ft tall, maybe 85-90 pds, nice big fake see or the cups, wore glasses. She said her name was Mawn? Like dawn but with a M at the beginning. She takes me upstairs, washes me up, she gargles mouthwash, then we get to it. I've mongered various places, but her service was honestly the best I ever had. I last about 10 minutes and bust in her mouth. I had to just lay on the seat for a minute to get myself together, one of the best nuts I had in a while. I get up, she washes us both up. I get her name and when she works (everyday she says, evenings). I forgot to mention, I paid the manager after my selection. Next, I head a soi or 2 down. I get a manicure, pedicure, foot / shoulder / head massage, and a beer for about 1000 THB. Then, I head over to Nana, get a seat at the hooters, a few drinks, and chat up Meow for a few hours. Beautiful little spinner (all the girls were smoking). Around 11 pm I head into Nana and like an idiot I go with the first bargirl that gets my attention. She takes me into what I believe was called bunny or bunny2. I ordered way to many beers and girl / staff drinks / bucket of balls. Spent about 17 k, it was fun, but won't be doing that again. I didn't bar fine a girl. I want to kick myself for doing that, I could've had three ladies from the bar. Anywho, the bar fines were 1 k for the bar and 4 k for the girl (short time, 2 hrs). Now the bargirl that sat me was cute, but obvs a little older, and had a little mommy belly, I definitely would fuck if the rate was better. Now the girls on stage ranged from ok to hooters girl hot. They were spinners, under 25, tight little asses, no plastic, and no mommy damage. I'the love to try them all. They were definitely a couple girls that you could tell were new to the game that I considered. They weren't the best dancers, their makeup and outfitters needed improvement, they shied away from eye contact, didn't smile, etc. Ultimately, I decided against it because I don't really want to teach a girl how to suck my dick or fuck, plus my bill was retarded already. I was about to leave the bar around 2 am but the mamasan and girl I was with bought me a couple more beers. I ended up out of there around 330 am, walking to my place I get snagged by a massage girl, I say fuck it, and take her. She was older, like a 5, but I really like the griminess of fucking street meat. She gave me a lame massage, turns me over, she sucks and fucks me till I nut. I pay 2 k, hit soi 7/1 for some takeout, and I was in bed by 6 am. My first day was a blast but I got a month here, going to have to slow my roll a bit.[/QUOTE]600 $ is insane. No I don't care. Just saying.

I was in Thailand with a friend a few days ago (reports coming in soon), he barfined a nice young girl at Billboard (goes by the name Sky); 4 K ST and 1 K BF, plus 500 or so for the room.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2992451]Has anyone barfined a girl from Nana Plaza recently and can post the ST price they paid?? Specifically interested in Geisha & Billboard. I saw someone on another forum said he just got quoted 5 k ST + 1 k BF for Billboard, which would be a price increase up from 4 k ST. I also had a girl quote me 5 K at Lollipop a few days ago but I didn't clarify if she meant 4 k ST + 1 k BF or not because I had no intention of taking her out. I had assumed she meant 4 K ST + 1 K BF but the comment about Billboard got me thinking. In the absence of any recent experience, I'll go myself this weekend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2992717]Want stunner but ended up with 35 year old. Him being Brown.

It's all in the Details Fellas.[/QUOTE]Hi, I wanted to get some clarity from fellow forum members. I keep reading conflicting messages about providers refusing Indian and African descent gentlemen. For example, in the original message I got the impression that a non-Asian / non-Caucasian man might have some luck at Therme. But the above quoted reply points to the more limited choice. Most posts I have read imply it would be completely stupid to go to Thermae if you are not of Asian descent.

My question is more about high end soapy massages or escort services. If a non-Asian / non-Caucasian gentleman goes to a soapy massage, will he be turned away outright, or will the lady refuse to see him once he picks her? I was referring to establishments like Poseidon, Tara Entertainment, etc. One person I know reached out to an agency in Thailand and they ghosted him completely, once he told them he was brown. At least with a freelancer you will know if she is interested, by her tone, or her simply telling you no.

I want to politely mention, that I am not trying to start any type of back and forth on background or cultural heritage, or offend anyone in any way. Rather I would like to kindly please request some guidance and get some other members experiences and thoughts. Thank you.

Well I can't change your opinion but point I made was that 90% of women.

At thermae were reciprocating to me a brown guy.

Unfortunately your UglyAzz read only the part of stunner and 35 year old.

In short I didn't feel any discrimination. Uglyazz is discouraging people.

10% rejected me and I rejected all of remaining 90% but one.

Be respectful and smile and you will get equal interest. However I also want to mention very few younger girls are there at thermae (based on 2 visits).

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2992717]Want stunner but ended up with 35 year old. Him being Brown.

It's all in the Details Fellas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;2992823]Hi, I wanted to get some clarity from fellow forum members. I keep reading conflicting messages about providers refusing Indian and African descent gentlemen. For example, in the original message I got the impression that a non-Asian / non-Caucasian man might have some luck at Therme. But the above quoted reply points to the more limited choice. Most posts I have read imply it would be completely stupid to go to Thermae if you are not of Asian descent.

My question is more about high end soapy massages or escort services. If a non-Asian / non-Caucasian gentleman goes to a soapy massage, will he be turned away outright, or will the lady refuse to see him once he picks her? I was referring to establishments like Poseidon, Tara Entertainment, etc. One person I know reached out to an agency in Thailand and they ghosted him completely, once he told them he was brown. At least with a freelancer you will know if she is interested, by her tone, or her simply telling you no.

I want to politely mention, that I am not trying to start any type of back and forth on background or cultural heritage, or offend anyone in any way. Rather I would like to kindly please request some guidance and get some other members experiences and thoughts. Thank you.[/QUOTE]You need to come over and find out yourself. Now you mention conflicting messages from this website but just because someone posts a message doesn't mean it's true. Anyone can post a message and say anything. I always take these posts with a grain of salt. Reality is what you experience yourself. Keeping that in mind, I would say that generally massage parlors really don't care about the race of a client, only about his money.

[QUOTE=Crater77;2992905]Well I can't change your opinion but point I made was that 90% of women.

At thermae were reciprocating to me a brown guy.

Unfortunately your UglyAzz read only the part of stunner and 35 year old.

In short I didn't feel any discrimination. Uglyazz is discouraging people.

10% rejected me and I rejected all of remaining 90% but one.

Be respectful and smile and you will get equal interest. However I also want to mention very few younger girls are there at thermae (based on 2 visits).[/QUOTE]He's just a troll who has been banned multiple times, ignore him.

Great post. And yes, I agree. I too had some remarkably great experience with streetwalkers.

One question, if I may. How do you recognize if the girl is from Vietnam or PRC or other eastern countries. I always get confused.

[QUOTE=ShiftTab;2989868]I had experience with streetwalkers and prefer them to the girls in the clubs. They're a mix of pros and amateurs, but I've had good luck with amateurs who I found near Soi 21, away from Thermae. These were college students, store clerks, and one who worked at the duty free store at the airport. I had multiple sessions with one store clerk who worked at Big C, and the airport worker wanted to be my girlfriend after 3 sessions. I would suggest checking out the streetwalkers away from Thermae and Nana to find amateurs. It was good to have a reliable girl I could meet on the weekends when I was off work, and not feel rushed during the session. We would often meet at a predetermined intersection and take a taxi to one of the love hotels to spend an hour or two of fun.
For the girls, they have a regular life and job, but just don't make a lot of money so the sessions we have together helps them out a lot. Also, since they're regular girls, there's less chance they're fucking 3-4 guys each day to pay the rent. Meeting a girl once a week would double their income, so we're both benefitting from the sessions. Your experience may differ, but the best times I had in Bangkok were with amateur street walkers.[/QUOTE]

Well, two nights. But couldn't resist. Stayed near Terminal 21 so went to Soi Cowboy first. Overwhelmed by all the attention I got. Of course, everyone gets attention. I was thinking that my age, dress, look might dissuade the working girls, but I felt no judgement. I'm a white guy in my 60's, baseball cap, cargo shorts and t-shirt. Regardless, I was treated like a prince as I walked down the street. Great ego boost. Found a girl in minutes. 3 K to the girl. 700 barfine. 400 room. One glance at a condom, but I said No and that was that. Great experience all around and nutted inside, which I rarely do. Finished the night with a steak at the Irish bar at the end of the street to the left. Next night I went in the other direction, to Nana. Some comments on the forum suggest a guy needs to dress up all fancy-like to attract more girls. Not true in my case. Again, lots of attention. I got to Nana too early, but was interested in drinking first anyway. Met a girl in the bar to the right of Nana on the street. She looked amazing. Sat and drank. She guessed my age correctly on the first go. I attempted to guess her age, saying 25. She said, "No. I'm 41. " Unbelievable. Has a kid and is supporting her since she's divorced. After a nice conversation via telephone translator, she informed me that she does not have sex with men. I said I understood. It was still too early for me, and she really was nice to talk with. Some kind of chemistry began to form. I imagine if I pressed a bit with repeated visits, something could develop. Very beautiful and I'm strictly a "young girl" kind of guy, but thought she could easily become GF material with time. Nice to fantasize anyway. Said adios and went to drink at Stumble. Watching the procession of girls arrive to Nana, each showing their IDs as they entered. A real parade and gave me a good idea of what the talent was going to be tonight. It was only a little after 7:00 and perhaps too early. But after drinking a while, I wanted to partake. Walking through the plaza this early, there were very few places up and running. But I found Kino, second floor in the corner by the steps. A young thing dancing near the entrance. Something about her made me think of a former student of mine. I knew Asian girls can be smaller and younger than their actual age, and the security checking the IDs outside will keep out underage girls. But this one could easily have been years younger than her professed 23. Braces complete with rubber bands and a sort of awkward face that seemed like it had yet to develop into the beauty I expected her to become. I got a good vibe based on her smile, so I told her what I wanted to do with her and she agreed. Barfined her for 1000 K and paid her 3000 K. We walked down the street to a ST hotel. Stripped and showered. Tiny little tits, which played into my fantasy. She was totally into it, tight and playful. The girls I've been with in Thailand have no trouble sucking with no thought of stopping. I directed her below and she smiled and excelled with superior talent at rimming. Again, no rush to stop. And she knew how to use her tongue. The freedom of knowing in advance there will be no condom discussion was amazing. The only thing she asked was that I not cum on her face. Mouth was perfectly fine as an alternative. So much fun to be with. Tipped her 500 because she was cute and deserved it. Her name is pronounced "On" and works at Kino. If you see her think "Ugly Betty" but in a package that fits a Thai girl. If I lived in Bangkok, she'd be a regular. These two days in BKK really capped a wonderful 2-week trip and renewed my faith in Asian girls. Humbly yours, EQ.

[QUOTE=DeepakSa;2992922]Great post. And yes, I agree. I too had some remarkably great experience with streetwalkers.

One question, if I may. How do you recognize if the girl is from Vietnam or PRC or other eastern countries. I always get confused.[/QUOTE]If you can't tell, ask. Where you from baby?

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;2992823]If a non-Asian / non-Caucasian gentleman goes to a soapy massage, will he be turned away outright, or will the lady refuse to see him once he picks her? I was referring to establishments like Poseidon, Tara Entertainment, etc.[/QUOTE]I am 31/ M / Indian. I will not call myself handsome.

I have been to La Belle and was not turned away. I went around 1 PM. There were at most 5-7 women sitting in the fishbowl. Almost all of them smiled warmly at me. There were a few Japanese / Korean businessmen already sitting there. There was only one XL tier lady and she was sitting with them. For what it is worth, she too smiled at me.

The papasan passed me the rate list. I called a lady from the fishbowl. I had not spoken with her for more than a minute before papasan asked me if I really intended to take her. He said someone else also wanted her after I had already called her. The motherfucker acted like he was doing me a favor by not pulling the lady away from me.

The lady herself was nice. She was Tier Dee (ISG is not letting me write just the letter), 5500 baht. Very cute. I found her more attractive than the XL tier lady. She spoke good English and gave decent BBBJ, CFS. She looked surprised when I tipped her 500 baht.

I will recommend choosing a lady that does not avoid eye contact and smiles at you. You are less likely to receive bad service. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2992719]600 $ is insane. No I don't care. Just saying.[/QUOTE]You won't get any arguments from me, it was crazy but a good time.

EarthQuake! Holy Moses! I have some doubts on whether any of it is real. Or if it's all AI. But since it's Myanmar, and no one cares about Myanmar, then it's ok I guess. It just sucks that a building collapsed in Bangkok. But shit like that doesn't happen in Bangkok. It just doesn't. Not in paradise. Say it ain't so. I don't believe it.

By lucifers balls! A building collapsed into a giant ball of smoke and debris. And no one is talking about it? What do all of you boots on the ground think? How did it affect you? How has it affected the working girls of Nana? Earthquake tremors don't happen in Bangkok everyday, just sayin.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2993496]By lucifers balls! A building collapsed into a giant ball of smoke and debris. And no one is talking about it? What do all of you boots on the ground think? How did it affect you? How has it affected the working girls of Nana? Earthquake tremors don't happen in Bangkok everyday, just sayin.[/QUOTE]I am on a very high floor of a condo complex that was built a couple of decades ago and there was no structural damage at all. There wasn't even a momentary interruption of electricity, water or internet service. However, I have heard from guys who live in more modern buildings that they had to evacuate and move to a hotel because ceilings were collapsing. If that is how it shapes up for many others it will be interesting to see if this Thai passion to live in the most modern building they can afford rather than one as ancient as 20 years old gets flipped around and changes the market.

Yes, it was sad that the 33 story building under construction collapsed and killed several construction workers. But I think that was the most tragic earthquake-related event in all of Thailand. The death and damage in Myanmar, the epicenter of the quake, was far worse. In fact, I suspect most if not all of the construction workers who died in the collapsed Bangkok building were from Myanmar. Very sad.

As far as how it affected the girls goes, Nana Plaza was closed for that one night. A couple of other Soi 4 bars were closed for that one night. I don't know about Soi Cowboy, the Soi 7 bars or Patpong because I didn't go there. Auto and pedestrian traffic was horrendous that night because the skytrain and mrt subway were both closed for the night.

Oh, one interesting thing about the girls; within an hour of the earthquake I sent out a "You ok"? Line and Instagram message to 5 of my most often repeated Freelancers and gogo girls. All of them replied within a few minutes with the news that they were fine but just startled by it. All of them asked how I was doing back. None of them took the opportunity to hit me up for any money or help to send to their family in the province, make up for missing work or pay for the family water buffalo's mental health treatment to deal with the trauma. Nor have they done so the next day. Which might surprise many here.

Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2992975]I am 31/ M / Indian. I will not call myself handsome.

I have been to La Belle and was not turned away. I went around 1 PM. There were at most 5-7 women sitting in the fishbowl. Almost all of them smiled warmly at me. There were a few Japanese / Korean businessmen already sitting there. There was only one XL tier lady and she was sitting with them. For what it is worth, she too smiled at me.

The papasan passed me the rate list. I called a lady from the fishbowl. I had not spoken with her for more than a minute before papasan asked me if I really intended to take her. He said someone else also wanted her after I had already called her. The motherfucker acted like he was doing me a favor by not pulling the lady away from me.

The lady herself was nice. She was Tier Dee (ISG is not letting me write just the letter), 5500 baht. Very cute. I found her more attractive than the XL tier lady. She spoke good English and gave decent BBBJ, CFS. She looked surprised when I tipped her 500 baht.

I will recommend choosing a lady that does not avoid eye contact and smiles at you. You are less likely to receive bad service. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Hi Messrs. Shikhar10 and MoonShot. I appreciate both of your feedback and thoughts. Yes, you both are correct, it is better to just go and experience it yourself. Moreover, I have seen some videos of soapy massages in Pattaya, and there seemed to be a lot of men of various background in there. I will go to the high end places La Belle, Poseidon, etc. I have also read that the escort services are nothing special so I will avoid them.

Have a wonderful weekend!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2993508]I am on a very high floor of a condo complex that was built a couple of decades ago and there was no structural damage at all. There wasn't even a momentary interruption of electricity, water or internet service. However, I have heard from guys who live in more modern buildings that they had to evacuate and move to a hotel because ceilings were collapsing. If that is how it shapes up for many others it will be interesting to see if this Thai passion to live in the most modern building they can afford rather than one as ancient as 20 years old gets flipped around and changes the market.

Yes, it was sad that the 33 story building under construction collapsed and killed several construction workers. But I think that was the most tragic earthquake-related event in all of Thailand. The death and damage in Myanmar, the epicenter of the quake, was far worse. In fact, I suspect most if not all of the construction workers who died in the collapsed Bangkok building were from Myanmar. Very sad.

As far as how it affected the girls goes, Nana Plaza was closed for that one night. A couple of other Soi 4 bars were closed for that one night. I don't know about Soi Cowboy, the Soi 7 bars or Patpong because I didn't go there. Auto and pedestrian traffic was horrendous that night because the skytrain and mrt subway were both closed for the night.

Oh, one interesting thing about the girls; within an hour of the earthquake I sent out a "You ok"? Line and Instagram message to 5 of my most often repeated Freelancers and gogo girls. All of them replied within a few minutes with the news that they were fine but just startled by it. All of them asked how I was doing back. None of them took the opportunity to hit me up for any money or help to send to their family in the province, make up for missing work or pay for the family water buffalo's mental health treatment to deal with the trauma. Nor have they done so the next day. Which might surprise many here.

Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Not to get Political but I don't think Thailand choosing China over America is a good thing.

Just an FYI I am done with my Thai trip.

Day 3 started quiet early for me as I had planned day outing (unrelated to mongering). Started at 6 am and ended at 2 PM. (traffic took like 2 hours).

Anyways I was tired but I headed to Phom Phrong (around 5 PM) and I knew I had to go to addict. Right across the alley from Mango. Their girls wear Purple Uniform and had looked attractive on my previous visit.

Went straight and talked with mamasan (her name is Kate). She quickly called the line up and started selling me on some special 1800 for 40 minutes.

I must say one of the best lineup among 3-4 I visited.

All the ladies were very interested. Mamasan is pretty good with english. I told I want someone young. Like 22. She told me will 25 work? I said yes. She said something in thai and 4-5 of the ladies sat down. Still had 10-12 standing. I somehow made sure I check each without any hurries.

Told mamasan to tell everyone to sit and I will choose. She suggested me Maphrang (big boobs). I choose Nano (5 feet 1 inch) very young and was making an eye contact. She is 25.

I like doing LT with girls in my hotel room. So told mamasan if I like her then I will do LT as well. So I went with 40 minutes 1800.

Things started with shower and she not only just washed me but put lot of soap made johnny hard and then soaped herself and we did lot of rubbing in the shower. If I would have fucked her without "see" then I doubt she would have said No.

After 5 minutes of so of kissing and making it hard and rubbing. I got dired and laid down for massage. She did oil massage for like 10-15 minutes and then on the flip started with BBBJ. It was amazing and lasted a long time. She understands English better than most and I asked her to make eye contact during BJ which she obliged.

Post this went to WOT, Doggy and then Missionary and lot of DFK and came in.

BJ - 10/10.

Attitude -10/10.

Face - 8/10.

Figure. Boobs just the right size and Ass is like 6/10.

Experience very amazing. I made a decision that I will LT her to my room for 120 minutes.

I do not do BBFS so I never ask but I think she might have gone for it.

Gave her 500 as tip. Went downstairs and told mamasan to respond and connect with me on Addict Line for LT (outcall). Asked to bring maphrang and talked with her. She too seems a good choice.

Later that day I did Gogo in Soi and Nana and bar fined a lady from Soi cowboy. Will share about that later.

Also Earthquake did fucked up lot of things next day. MP's were closed. Most of them atleast Addict and Snow white too (with some ladies just hanging out for Free lancing). Nana Plaza was closed on Friday night because of Earthquake.

More later.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2993574]Not to get Political but I don't think Thailand choosing China over America is a good thing.[/QUOTE]It's funny you should mention that because the exact same thought was crossing my mind throughout the entirety of the earthquake.

[QUOTE=Crater77;2993652]Just an FYI I am done with my Thai trip.

Day 3 started quiet early for me as I had planned day outing (unrelated to mongering). Started at 6 am and ended at 2 PM. (traffic took like 2 hours).

Anyways I was tired but I headed to Phom Phrong (around 5 PM) and I knew I had to go to addict. Right across the alley from Mango. Their girls wear Purple Uniform and had looked attractive on my previous visit.

Went straight and talked with mamasan (her name is Kate). She quickly called the line up and started selling me on some special 1800 for 40 minutes.

I must say one of the best lineup among 3-4 I visited.

All the ladies were very interested. Mamasan is pretty good with english. I told I want someone young. Like 22. She told me will 25 work? I said yes. She said something in thai and 4-5 of the ladies sat down. Still had 10-12 standing. I somehow made sure I check each without any hurries.

Told mamasan to tell everyone to sit and I will choose. She suggested me Maphrang (big boobs). I choose Nano (5 feet 1 inch) very young and was making an eye contact. She is 25.

I like doing LT with girls in my hotel room. So told mamasan if I like her then I will do LT as well. So I went with 40 minutes 1800.

Things started with shower and she not only just washed me but put lot of soap made johnny hard and then soaped herself and we did lot of rubbing in the shower. If I would have fucked her without "see" then I doubt she would have said No.

After 5 minutes of so of kissing and making it hard and rubbing. I got dired and laid down for massage. She did oil massage for like 10-15 minutes and then on the flip started with BBBJ. It was amazing and lasted a long time. She understands English better than most and I asked her to make eye contact during BJ which she obliged.

Post this went to WOT, Doggy and then Missionary and lot of DFK and came in.

BJ - 10/10.

Attitude -10/10.

Face - 8/10.

Figure. Boobs just the right size and Ass is like 6/10.

Experience very amazing. I made a decision that I will LT her to my room for 120 minutes.

I do not do BBFS so I never ask but I think she might have gone for it.

Gave her 500 as tip. Went downstairs and told mamasan to respond and connect with me on Addict Line for LT (outcall). Asked to bring maphrang and talked with her. She too seems a good choice.

Later that day I did Gogo in Soi and Nana and bar fined a lady from Soi cowboy. Will share about that later.

Also Earthquake did fucked up lot of things next day. MP's were closed. Most of them atleast Addict and Snow white too (with some ladies just hanging out for Free lancing). Nana Plaza was closed on Friday night because of Earthquake.

More later.[/QUOTE]I knew it! If the quake was bad enough to collapse a building, then certainly other places in Bangkok would have been affected. No one here is reporting on any of it all even though you all live here boots on the ground and all. It sucks and not in a good way, when the massage joints are closed, even for one day.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2993574]Not to get Political but I don't think Thailand choosing China over America is a good thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2993665]It's funny you should mention that because the exact same thought was crossing my mind throughout the entirety of the earthquake.[/QUOTE]You are thinking of the old USA, that nation no longer exists.

The new USA could cut a deal. Perhaps recovery help in exchange for Koh Phuket, which will be renamed "The Riviera of the Andaman".

Spent three days in Bangkok. Had only around noon times to monger. Stopped in Butterfly, Snow White, Tulip, and settled for Cherry first two days. Despite saying they are opened at 10 am, there may only be 1 or 2 ladies until 1 pm. First Cherry attendant I selected was Bovi. She is cute but has some skin issues. Not really the best experience, though she tried. The second day I chose First (that's her name). SHe was more sensual both in the shower and bed. I thought Cherry was a PSE type of joint but got BBBJ but no other bare service. Third day at Tulip, there was only Nadia, which was PSE as expected. She tried to make me cum a second round but I am too old to make it happen. Was having a noodle lunch right after and got caught in the earthquake. Was near where the sky bridges cracked and pool water came splashing down. Took 2. 5 hours to get my luggage from the hotel and another 2. 5 to get to the airport. Missed my flight. My third 7+ magnitude quake.

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2993719]Stopped in Butterfly, Snow White, Tulip, and settled for Cherry first two days. Despite saying they are opened at 10 am, there may only be 1 or 2 ladies until 1 pm. First Cherry attendant I selected was Bovi. She is cute but has some skin issues. Not really the best experience, though she tried. The second day I chose First (that's her name). SHe was more sensual both in the shower and bed. I thought Cherry was a PSE type of joint but got BBBJ but no other bare service.[/QUOTE]If you want BBFSCIP at the Soi 24 shops, ask mamasan before selecting your girl. She may or may not offer it, if available, there will be a smaller selection, typically about 30% of the full crew. Some punters ask the girl directly, I don't do that. Typically the BBFSCIP is an additional 2000 baht paid directly to the girl in the room.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2993727]If you want BBFSCIP at the Soi 24 shops, ask mamasan before selecting your girl. She may or may not offer it, if available, there will be a smaller selection, typically about 30% of the full crew. Some punters ask the girl directly, I don't do that. Typically the BBFSCIP is an additional 2000 baht paid directly to the girl in the room.[/QUOTE]Not all mamasans are created equal. Some don't know anything like that about their girls. Most mamasans only know how to say, "Up to the girl" when you ask them such a question.

Well, duh, of course it is up to the girl. It is up to the girl right up to the point of entry and beyond even if she said Yes to BBFSCIP in the line up area or in the room.

Same with Anal.

Same with BBBJCIM.

Same with everything.

The question is which girls have indicated to you, the mamasan, that they will accept BBFSCIP with some customers, likely for an additional charge. Or don't those lazy mamasans ever talk to their girls about such sexual matters.

A mamasan who knows or at least can lead you to the most likely candidates is worth her weight in gold. And there are some. Not only in those Soi 24 shops but also in gogo bars and other venues. Not many. But some. We just have to ask in order to find out which ones earn their pay (and deserve a tip) and which ones don't.

It used be rare to come across Viet girls in Bangkok. Once in a while, an odd one but last night I ran into soooooooooo many freelancers from Vietnam. What's with this influx?

EQ did rattled lot of things. First lot of folks staying in high rise were scared to go back. So they were all down standing in streets.

Another thing I realized after talking to most thais is that they do not get EQ's. So this was their first major experience and it was a strong one.

So because of this I saw hotel staff sitting out for 3-4 hours.

Major traffic jam as the stopped BTS and it was very congested with all traffic stuck. So bars that were open remained open but all MP's, nana and soi that open like 3 pmll till 8 pm decided to skip / stay closed.

My guess is people were unable to make it because of congestion and traffic so the establishments decided to close.

In fact Thermae was also closed. Many (more than regular few) FL Were standing out to be picked. I did scored a chick from there as it was my last night and I had walked to Nana and realized it was close. So on my way back I checked the FL's on the street.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2993702]I knew it! If the quake was bad enough to collapse a building, then certainly other places in Bangkok would have been affected. No one here is reporting on any of it all even though you all live here boots on the ground and all. It sucks and not in a good way, when the massage joints are closed, even for one day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2993718]You are thinking of the old USA, that nation no longer exists.

The new USA could cut a deal. Perhaps recovery help in exchange for Koh Phuket, which will be renamed "The Riviera of the Andaman".[/QUOTE]Once went to siam Reap, international airport, very very huge, made by China, there are approx 30 gates, and everyday there are just 30 flights. The present infrastructure is used to just 5 percent capacity. Now poor Cambodia has to pay back every pie. In my opinion, they will not able to do it in next 100 years. So the country will just become slave of China. Other countries may also be doing similar things. But this I saw with my own eyes. Difficult to bat for China.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;2993804]Once went to siam Reap, international airport, very very huge, made by China, there are approx 30 gates, and everyday there are just 30 flights. The present infrastructure is used to just 5 percent capacity. Now poor Cambodia has to pay back every pie. In my opinion, they will not able to do it in next 100 years. So the country will just become slave of China. Other countries may also be doing similar things. But this I saw with my own eyes. Difficult to bat for China.[/QUOTE]I have seen it in African countries, too. Corrupt gov't official make deals that only lines their pockets and the country suffers. Take that building that collapsed in BKK the other day. Had China written all over it.

I had already done MP (Addict) like in the evening. Had few beers and headed out to Nana Plaza. I had seen youtube videos but wanted to check the place out.

Reached and started from firstfloor took a round. It was 8 pm and lot of ladies were standing out. Mamasan's were also out. Lot of fruits, water and hydration setups all over the place. I realized I am little early. Any how I went to top floor butterflies and went in and ordered a beer.

They had 2 stages and had 6 ladies each dancing. Let me correct moving and maybe 1 or 2 really dancing. I and maybe one more were the only customers.

All the ladies on stage were shitty. I would rate them all below 5. In fact the ladies outside that lured me in were like 7's and 8. Drank just one beer and enquired with mamasan if I am early and she said a little. She told me sit and relax as 10 pm is when action will start.

Came out of butterflies with my beer and went on a stroll to check the ladies outside other gogo bars. Geisha had some stunners. It was too little alchohol and too early for me to barfine a girl but I spotted few and decided to visit them next day.

My hotel was 4 min walking to thermae, 12 to soi cowboy and say 16 minutes to Nana.

I decided to walk back to my hotel. Bought another beer on my way and stopped at bar below the thermae hotel to have few more and play some pool.

Finally I was ready and decided time to sit, drink and enjoy gogo. Went to soi cowboy and as usual I was checking the ladies and they of course were trying to get you in.

Went straight to Crazy House (since Everything Thai says it has the best girls). I was drunk just right and when I started going in. The two ladies asked me to talk to this another guy who said entry fee of 500 Bhat. Normally I do pay cover entry in US for strip clubs. It was not a big deal. I however asked when did the entry fee started? Does it include drinks? The guy was bad at english.

I was pissed.

I took the money out the bouncer or whosoever that guy was leaned his hand to take the money and then I said I will not give you any of this money. I gave him a virtual Fuck You and walked to the soi cowboy place.

I was drunk right and he just pissed me and I wanted to give him that virtual F you. I know you pay entry fee at levels but Crazy House is like a working girl house. Entry fee for that. No way.

Went back to soi cowboy and other place where no ladies were outside was Baccara. I know Everything Thai has this as other recommendations.

They have a bar outside. I asked for an energy drink or water but the waitress said no water. Drink and they got me a brezeer.

Inside was totally crazy. No place to sit. They had like 20 girls on stage and another 10-15 running around and hanging with clients in back. No space to sit. I went a level up. They had another 15 girls up there. Found a seat and then started observing.

Mamasan was occupied the waitress came to me with rate card. It has BR, ST rate and one drink etc.

Tipped her and asked to come back after 20 minutes. Now girls here were indeed 7's and some 8's. Too many choices. Some yellow, some orange and some black and some were in the school girl plaid skirts. I spent 20 minutes and then came down to choose. One of the ladies pretty decent joined me and started rubbing me. She was ok but I had my eyes on this 8. Super nice body. I told her to get her. So now we were 3. Ordered the drink for the first lady and the second lady ordered 2 shots for herself. I was pacing myself slowly as there was a good chance that I will get drunk.

The waitress found me after another 10 minutes and started telling me that she too wants a drink. I ignored her.

Had a fun time with both the ladies. I decide to barfine the second lady. Gave some 4300 (ST+ Bar fine + 2 drinks). She said she will change and come. The other girl kept company and saying she can do threesome. She was ready to tag along and made me hard. I told her next time.

Finally lady came in cute dress with heels. She had the right makeup nothing too jazzy. She said she was 29.

While taking her out all the greedy waitresses came. So I tipped 4 of them 20 bhats. I was drunk right to not mind them asking for tips and bringing tip jar in front of me.

I told the lady my hotel is 10 min walk and it is nice one. So lets go there instead of short term. Took a taxi went to my hotel I had scotch in my room made a drink for her and myself and then showered together.

Did the cleanup and started the action. BBBJ, WOT, Doggy, Spooning. You name it and she did. Service was great.

If I drink the right amount I last pretty longer. If I drink little more then I take little longer because have to take breaks in between. We actually did lot of foreplay and it was nice fuck.

Then finished the drink and showered. Her English was not that great but told her she can stay LT and I will pay. She told that she cannot as she has work in the morning at 9 am in Asoke. Plus her regular day job.

Gave her 200 for her ride back. I would have rated her great but I will call her good because her pussy was super loose. I had to ask her to squeeze to make it tight for me to cum.

Experience 9/10.

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[QUOTE=Oterri;2993780]It used be rare to come across Viet girls in Bangkok. Once in a while, an odd one but last night I ran into soooooooooo many freelancers from Vietnam. What's with this influx?[/QUOTE]Viet chicks in Bangkok? An influx? Hmmm, sounds good. Maybe a bit of a generalization, but how are they in general? More demure? Even more pliable? Less predatory?

[B]Hey, bolding text really works[/B]

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;2992823]Hi, I wanted to get some clarity from fellow forum members. I keep reading conflicting messages about providers refusing Indian and African descent gentlemen. For example, in the original message I got the impression that a non-Asian / non-Caucasian man might have some luck at Therme. But the above quoted reply points to the more limited choice. Most posts I have read imply it would be completely stupid to go to Thermae if you are not of Asian descent.

My question is more about high end soapy massages or escort services. If a non-Asian / non-Caucasian gentleman goes to a soapy massage, will he be turned away outright, or will the lady refuse to see him once he picks her? I was referring to establishments like Poseidon, Tara Entertainment, etc. One person I know reached out to an agency in Thailand and they ghosted him completely, once he told them he was brown. At least with a freelancer you will know if she is interested, by her tone, or her simply telling you no.

I want to politely mention, that I am not trying to start any type of back and forth on background or cultural heritage, or offend anyone in any way. Rather I would like to kindly please request some guidance and get some other members experiences and thoughts. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I spent 10 days in the country back in August. Posted a detailed report on my trip here. Did 5 days in Pattaya and 5 in Bangkok. For background I am an early 30's white guy from NYC metro. Regarding your question about "brown" mongers, I will share my observations from my trip. Most of this pertains to Indian mongers, I'm not as sure how a black or African customer might be received.

In Pattaya Indian guys were stopped at the entrance to walking street gogo bars. I think most were not permitted to enter. I heard from some of these guys that bouncers apparently told them there was a 5 k baht entrance fee. I didn't have anything like this happen to me, just walked right into the gogo bars, no fee and no ID check. My hunch is that Indian guys will have an even harder time with P2 P in Pattaya than in Bangkok. The reason being that there are just a ton of Indians in Pattaya, and the girls / clubs tend to disfavor them as customers.

It's a similar story in Bangkok. I observed that near the entrance to nana plaza, many Indian guys would be stopped. Again, I had no issues and would just walk right into nana. But I saw other guys get stopped, questioned and they would have to show ID or maybe were even asked to pay an entrance fee. I did see a few Indian or "brown" guys inside the bars at Nana plaza. From speaking with the girls at Bangkok gogo bars, however, I had a few girls tell me that they will not get off the stage if an Indian guy buys them a drink.

Not trying to discourage or anyone or start any shit. Just my honest observations from the trip. I was surprised with how poorly Indian customers seemed to be treated by the bars / girls given how prevalent Indians are in Bangkok and Pattaya especially. Anyways, food for thought before you get on a plane and spend your time / money visiting Thailand.

It's supposed to be 33 stories, partially constructed by The Chinese Railway Engineering #10 group. It's the only high-rise building in Bangkok that collapsed in the earthquake, even only partially constructed. How worse can it be when more weight are added with floors, walls, roof, equipment, furninsing ect.

Preliminary suspects are the beamless, flat-slab floors structure design which did not hold columns rigid in the earth movement. Substandard reinforced steel is also a suspect. Would be very scary to live in buildings with all those extremely heavy flat-slab floors potentially pancake down in earthquakes.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-firm-investigated-bangkok-skyscraper-170329738.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2993938]Viet chicks in Bangkok? An influx? Hmmm, sounds good. Maybe a bit of a generalization, but how are they in general? More demure? Even more pliable? Less predatory?

[B]Hey, bolding text really works[/B][/QUOTE]Thief's if you don't have your wits about you.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2993780]It used be rare to come across Viet girls in Bangkok. Once in a while, an odd one but last night I ran into soooooooooo many freelancers from Vietnam. What's with this influx?[/QUOTE]Oh interesting, in the states I noticed an influx of Viet girls coming to work also. The korean agency I go too usually only have koreans and japanese but recently a bunch of Viet been popping up too and at cheaper rate too which is nice.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2993963]It's supposed to be 33 stories, partially constructed by The Chinese Railway Engineering #10 group. It's the only high-rise building in Bangkok that collapsed in the earthquake, even only partially constructed. How worse can it be when more weight are added with floors, walls, roof, equipment, furninsing ect.

Preliminary suspects are the beamless, flat-slab floors structure design which did not hold columns rigid in the earth movement. Substandard reinforced steel is also a suspect. Would be very scary to live in buildings with all those extremely heavy flat-slab floors potentially pancake down in earthquakes.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-firm-investigated-bangkok-skyscraper-170329738.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Heard the same on the BBC. Once one floor goes, it's history, pancake city. Shame. Of course there will be an [I]investigation[/I]...

[QUOTE=Oterri;2993780]It used be rare to come across Viet girls in Bangkok. Once in a while, an odd one but last night I ran into soooooooooo many freelancers from Vietnam. What's with this influx?[/QUOTE]Could you please be more specific? Where exactly? Were they good looking?

I had 1 (for sure) or maybe 2 Viets in Bangkok over the years, they were both quite ok passionate and good looking. The best thing was how silky and smooth their skin was compared to most Thai girls.

[QUOTE=JPLove;2993944]
Not trying to discourage or anyone or start any shit. Just my honest observations from the trip. I was surprised with how poorly Indian customers seemed to be treated by the bars / girls given how prevalent Indians are in Bangkok and Pattaya especially. Anyways, food for thought before you get on a plane and spend your time / money visiting Thailand.[/QUOTE]A year or so ago, Thailand made it visa free entry for Indians. Since then, I have been seeing a marked increase in Indians in the videos on YT from lower classes. Now the general mentality of Indians (and I'm saying this as one) is trying to get something for nothing so you can imagine the frustration of the Thais when they won't even buy a drink at the bar but stay there to ogle at the women & probably make some cheap passes at them or play them along & leave. Now imagine this multiplied due to the increase in Indians due to visa free entry. So an Indian fine seems natural. I have personally paid it at Crazy Horse even though it is humiliating but I understand the reason. This new type of Indian tourist has simply made it more difficult for those who play by both the written & unwritten rules.

[QUOTE=JPLove;2993944]I spent 10 days in the country back in August. Posted a detailed report on my trip here. Did 5 days in Pattaya and 5 in Bangkok. For background I am an early 30's white guy from NYC metro. Regarding your question about "brown" mongers, I will share my observations from my trip. Most of this pertains to Indian mongers, I'm not as sure how a black or African customer might be received.

In Pattaya Indian guys were stopped at the entrance to walking street gogo bars. I think most were not permitted to enter. I heard from some of these guys that bouncers apparently told them there was a 5 k baht entrance fee. I didn't have anything like this happen to me, just walked right into the gogo bars, no fee and no ID check. My hunch is that Indian guys will have an even harder time with P2 P in Pattaya than in Bangkok. The reason being that there are just a ton of Indians in Pattaya, and the girls / clubs tend to disfavor them as customers.

It's a similar story in Bangkok. I observed that near the entrance to nana plaza, many Indian guys would be stopped. Again, I had no issues and would just walk right into nana. But I saw other guys get stopped, questioned and they would have to show ID or maybe were even asked to pay an entrance fee. I did see a few Indian or "brown" guys inside the bars at Nana plaza..[/QUOTE]I am a mixed race, and for the last 5 years, I have been spending most of my time in India.

From what I can say, most Indians are self aware of what's going on.

Indians had been getting a bad rep for more than 2 decades in Thailand.

Rise of Social Media with messaging apps amplified it and there was some truth in it.

But, there are a lot of gogo bars, that don't mind them. They are mostly worried about a group of Indians.

I've seen a lot of Indian men pick up hot women from Nana and Soi Cowboy.

The thing they want is money.

The lower class of Indians, especially the ones who end up in Pattaya are offered cheap tour packages by Indian agents and thrown into a street full of dance / gogo bars and hookers lining up the street and.

They have never seen anything like that. So, they behave badly and since they lack any sense of personal space combined with their boy odor is annoying as hell. Then the fact that many of them have just about enough money to eat and get back to their return flight, will the bargain of the century.

This is very energy consuming.

But, there are Indians who through a lot of money away. I have seen in places like MIXX where Indians spend 20-40 k in just 2-3 hours.

[QUOTE=Grebe925;2994133]So an Indian fine seems natural. I have personally paid it at Crazy Horse even though it is humiliating but I understand the reason.[/QUOTE]Firstly, Crazy House has been charging the 500 baht entry fee from Indians since long before visa was exempted for Indians. On top of it, they make Indians pay double for a lady drink. Staff straight up asks them to ignore the price written on the menu.

Secondly, there are less racist ways to ensure the customer entering is a paying one. Baccara at Soi Cowboy asks, or at least used to ask, Indians to buy one drink each before entering. If that is not extravagant enough, as I have said many times before, adjustment of a [I]reasonable[/I] "entry fee" in the actual bar bill is one way. Easily doable with a coupon system. Even then, the freedom to take a quick look inside the bar is curtailed. But that is a more acceptable compromise.

Finally, please do not justify racism, even if it is against your own kind. I try my best to dress / smell fine, greet the staff with palms joined and be as ideal a customer as I can be without throwing wads of cash around. I do NOT deserve the suspicious and disgusting looks. The only saving grace is the fact that there are still plenty of women in Thailand who do not care about the color of my skin.

So this was last full day. Wake up late, did BF, went to rooftop pool had a wine while I was there and then comeback to room. Took shower and was sitting and Earthquake happened. Stayed in room, went under the table and once it stopped, picked up my passport came outside hotel in huddle area.

Entire hotel was standing and people were running and some were really scared. Some from buildings and hotels beyond our alley were still running and coming out.

Fear factor was high for an hour and then people started drinking beers in the bars.

But most of locals were not going back in.

I had an irish bar 3 minutes walking from my hotel and it had people sitting out and drinking beer. I too joined them. FYI. I am pretty used to EQ's where I live but this one was one of the scariest and longest I experienced.

I too went to a bar across the street from Irish bar and ordered beer.

Some of the patrons in the bar were a german couple, britt and American gentlemen and we just chatted and talked about what happened and shared some experiences.

My original plan was to LT / outcall a girl from Addict. I messaged mamamsan on line to confirm if the girls had started and no reply came. This was couple of hours after EQ. I went for lunch and decided to take some genuine massage. Searched on phone and had one relax spa (seems like a chain) and another one right across my hotel (almost a full building) showed up. Both were 5 minutes walking in opposite directions. Went to both and they were both closed.

It was at this time I realized the traffic was all stuck and BTS was also not running.

My OG plan of final day- of LT from addict in the afternoon, Soapy in evening and Billboard pickup from NP was all looking like falling apart.

I messaged few others on Line and most didn't responded and some responded like closed and few responded with pics of who all were available. BTS was not running, no cars were moving.

Behind my hotel is massage shops. All genuine and I decided lets go to one of those and get the massage.

Went for oil massage the guy took me in and washed my feet and then I told him that I want a female masseur. Since this was genuine massage I kept the undies. Lady came in and started the massage and told me to take off the underwear. Took it off. Massage started and it was a regular massage but on flip she asked me if I want a release. I said why not. She quoted me 2000. I said skip it. I didn't wanted it plus she was ok not a stunner and there was no way she would take her clothes off. There was a curtain that closed the massage area. Anyhow she said what I want to give. I said 600 for massage and 400 for her.

She started and gave me a HJ. She did it very discreetly and was paying close attention to outside noise while jerking me.

So I got a genuine massage and paid another 400 for HJ.

Came out and next to this shop was a bar with pool tables. I still had few hours to kill before heading to Soapy. Saw a real pretty girl sitting inside. I went and sat opposite her. Ordered beer and asked how does the pool thing work.

My focus was on the girl only. She looked like a local girl was dressed nicely with nails done well. I would have asked her to join me in drink but I stopped because she had 2 bottles of water on her table. I thought she was waiting for someone. Any how I had a beer to finish and I got drink for my waitress and other one as well and started pool with one of the waitress (she was like 50 ish) but all I was trying to do was.

1. See if I can strike a conversation with the girl sitting right across.

2. Ask the waitresses if they get FL's that hang out late at night.

Played 2 games and finished my beer and this girl was still sitting alone and then suddenly one of the 2 guys who were playing pool in adjacent table came and talked to this girl. Looked like her boyfriend but for last 35 minutes this dude didn't came to say Hi to her and she was dead bored all this time.

My plan was to ask her to join us for next game but glad I didn't. I asked the waitress and then gave me inconclusive answers if FL will be there at night. Wrapped up and left after beer and pool.

Now traffic was still there. I walked to thermae and it was closed.

Called La belle and no one was picking and IVR kept saying some stuff in Thai. I checked and Cab was showing 45 minutes and walking was 29 minutes. It was at this time I realized many things will be closed. I decided today is the day I spend all my time at Nana Plaza. Got ready walked and fuuuuccccccck. It was closed. The entire complex was dark.

I said let me pick someone from street. I decided to go back and pick someone on street. Talked with few but didn't liked anyone. Then outside thermae saw few beauties. I talked with few and checked them out. Finally like one 26 year old and she asked for 3 K for ST. Told her BJ with no condom ok but she was bad at English. Had another 40 year old who came over to explain it to her and she said ok. Then all of sudden old 40 year old said she too can join. I told her I only want younger one then all of a sudden she said money in advance.

I told older one I do not pay advance and ignored her. I talked directly to this younger girl. I gave her my hand and said I will take care of her and my hotel is 5 minutes walk. She stood and held my hand and we started walking. She was wearing right size heal, ripped jeans and tank top with pretty big boobs. She had that Girl next door look.

Walked to my hotel, went to room. Did some foreplay. Told here to undress in front of me. She took shower. I made myself a drink and she came out wrapped in towel. I then went for shower and when I came out she had turned of most of the lights. Started with BJ, she sucked great and I just kept asking her to do more and more. Very nice eye contact. Then did my usual Cowgirl, Doggy and then missionary with DFK. I made her give me a long BJ and then another 20 minutes of fucking. I finally came in with slow sensual missionary. Her pussy was just right amount of tight and she was pretty submissive.

Paid the money and said GN. Final day had a great ending.

It was a 4 day trip. Did missed out on Soapies and Billboard and also BC or Pimp. So next time.

I did used TF, WeChat, Telegram and Line. I will share my experience with all these in separate post. This forum is great and I had great time learning and exchanging notes from folks in this forum.

[QUOTE=Crater77;2994180]... Finally like one 26 year old and she asked for 3 K for ST. Told her BJ with no condom ok but she was bad at English. Had another 40 year old who came over to explain it to her and she said ok. Then all of sudden old 40 year old said she too can join. I told her I only want younger one then all of a sudden she said money in advance....

I did used TF, WeChat, Telegram and Line. I will share my experience with all these in separate post. This forum is great and I had great time learning and exchanging notes from folks in this forum.[/QUOTE]Thanks for writing the reports. Glad you enjoyed your stay.

Suggest you add at least one more app to your smartphone: Google Translate. That will allow you to communicate with Thai ladies using either translated text or translated voice. It even has a camera function that will translate words on signs, menus, etc. It's not perfect but it works pretty good and will eliminate dealing with interpreters. It's indispensable when trying to make arrangements with the deaf freelancers on Soi 4 and other places.

I had a good time last year hoping to make another trip this year. Are things still closed like Nana, Soi Cowboy? Are prices going up due to the earthquake?

Bro. Things in Thailand are ok.

NP and other MP's were closed only for the day when EQ happened and most likely because of traffic delays and train stoppage. Assuming ladies and wait staff were unable to make it in time for 7 pm opening. Earthquake happened around 1 pm.

It was a very normal morning the next day, as I flew out the next afternoon.

Luckily no major casualties in Thailand. Burma thought got hot really hard.

[QUOTE=Mushamisi;2994240]I had a good time last year hoping to make another trip this year. Are things still closed like Nana, Soi Cowboy? Are prices going up due to the earthquake?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2994193]Indians have always been known as the cultural leaders when it comes to partying. That's a playa mentality. There is a saying that goes "ain't no party like an Indian party, because a Piddy party ain't shit. " Take the Air Asia flight that made news several months ago when Punjabs were living it up on the flight to Thailand. In some of the videos circulating online, you can tell that the Thai air hostesses we're having a blast and probably enjoyed having secret photos taken of them from underneath their skirts. Maybe even got them dripping wet at that altitude. Word is that perhaps one of my fellow Indian buddies may have taken a Thai Air Asia flight attendant into the tiny bathroom to join the mile high club. Thai girls love these type of extroverts. Makes Thai girls horny. It means CONFIDENCE. A must have in Thai society. No need to hide behind drunkenness and 40 or more drinks. I would say they look down on those who have to go that route. Because it's called "getting played". Here is a clip from that flight. No rules need be abided. It's Thailand after all. LOL.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BRKmuD3Sr9Y[/URL][/QUOTE]Well this may be partly true. While people from isaan are always up for a party, people from the north, center, and South are generally more reserved and less likely to enjoy those types of festivities except on rare occasions.

I could be in Error but it does make sense.

Myanmar epicenter was 7. 7 on the Scale of Beauty.

The Beauty that took down the Chatuchuk build rated a 4. 4. in other words sn Ugly.

Calm Down.

On the other hand Water falling from the Rooftop Pool and numerous building cracks shown by you tubers are Concerning.

My preference is mostly freelance from bars or TF, however on this occasion I did pay a visit to Secret Kiss, and can say had an awesome experience and highly recommend it. Attached is their menu. I only went for the 40 min BJ. Also tried Fantasy 8 which provide full service, nice place and lovely girls.

Mate of mine wanted to try Nancy, no longer a soapy, this is a super expensive place and very pushy sales reps.

Oscars wine bar is one of my hangouts and was shocked to hear the ladies asking for 10 k LT, goes without saying I didn't pursue. Anyone else experienced this?

[QUOTE=Mushamisi;2994240]I had a good time last year hoping to make another trip this year. Are things still closed like Nana, Soi Cowboy? Are prices going up due to the earthquake?[/QUOTE]I was in Nana Plaza the day after the earthquake (Saturday). It was packed, hard to tell anything had happened.

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;2993539] I will go to the high end places La Belle, Poseidon, etc. I have also read that the escort services are nothing special so I will avoid them.[/QUOTE]According to Google, La Belle's 2nd last review: "closed permanently it has moved or associated about 1.3 km new name "Acqua."

Googling Poseidon and filtering for most recent reviews, it seems the place has lost its lustre. Multiple reports of people being pressured and rushed to finish up really quickly and not receiving the 90 mins as quoted and paid.

There's mentions of massage club "Black Caviar" which in their google reviews, someone posted a picture of the price list which is 7,700 -12,500 baht for 'Beautiful girl in luxury style' and then 16,500 up to a staggering 36,000 baht for 'Beautiful girl, supermodel style' (translated their menu) Latest review states 'no Thai bath service'.

Also mentions of "Marias Massage" with reviews and prices similar.

I guess as with everything YMMV according to any number of random things.

I think I'd rather pull 2 top tier STs from Nanas or elsewhere instead of 8 k in one of these 'high-end' establishments.

Anyone that has had a romp in any of these venues, I'd love to hear the feedback or link to previous reports.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2994162]

Finally, please do not justify racism, even if it is against your own kind. I try my best to dress / smell fine, greet the staff with palms joined and be as ideal a customer as I can be without throwing wads of cash around. I do NOT deserve the suspicious and disgusting looks. The only saving grace is the fact that there are still plenty of women in Thailand who do not care about the color of my skin.[/QUOTE]It's not racism. It's just the way it is. I have friends running bars in India itself who complain about guys buying just one beer & holding onto it for hours just to mingle with the hip crowd. These are educated guys so imagine those from mofussil towns who've never been out of India suddenly landing up in Bangkok & Pattaya. I've been going to Thailand for more than two decades so I can see the marked difference in the quality of the Indian clientele since the visa free entry was instituted. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Thai women don't discriminate on skin color, they discriminate on the attitude of the people of that skin color.

[QUOTE=ThreeLilBirds;2994303]

Also mentions of "Marias Massage" with reviews and prices similar.

I guess as with everything YMMV according to any number of random things.

I think I'd rather pull 2 top tier STs from Nanas or elsewhere instead of 8 k in one of these 'high-end' establishments.

Anyone that has had a romp in any of these venues, I'd love to hear the feedback or link to previous reports.[/QUOTE]I visited Marias about a year ago at around 7 PM. As you said the prices are close to 10 K Baht for a session. Used to frequent Lords pre-Covid that was considered one of the higher end places with prices around 3 K-4 K if I'm not mistaken. Compared to the latter, I saw little difference to justify triple the price for the girls in the lineup. The girl I chose were pretty but if you tried a little you could pick someone similar in regular go-go's.

[QUOTE=Grebe925;2994338]I visited Marias about a year ago at around 7 PM. As you said the prices are close to 10 K Baht for a session. Used to frequent Lords pre-Covid that was considered one of the higher end places with prices around 3 K-4 K if I'm not mistaken. Compared to the latter, I saw little difference to justify triple the price for the girls in the lineup. The girl I chose were pretty but if you tried a little you could pick someone similar in regular go-go's.[/QUOTE]My memory says that Lord's Palace was about 6 K to 12 K in about 2017.

In the States, I am a strip club goer. Generally prefer them over massage places. I like the vibe of naked girls dancing so I like these two in Soi Cowboy though not all get totally naked on stage. CH seems to be stricter than BB in that I saw a guy get reprimanded for reaching down between the legs when being given a lap dance at his seat. At BB I bought drinks for two fit, tattooed ladies and I had my hands all over them. The day before earthquake, I took the one with an explicit tatt on her thigh upstairs -3 K plus 800 BF plus 500 room. I just assumed she could take a pounding but she tapped-out before I could finish. Still a great time.

[QUOTE=JPLove;2993944]I spent 10 days in the country back in August. Posted a detailed report on my trip here. Did 5 days in Pattaya and 5 in Bangkok. For background I am an early 30's white guy from NYC metro. Regarding your question about "brown" mongers, I will share my observations from my trip. Most of this pertains to Indian mongers, I'm not as sure how a black or African customer might be received.

In Pattaya Indian guys were stopped at the entrance to walking street gogo bars. I think most were not permitted to enter. I heard from some of these guys that bouncers apparently told them there was a 5 k baht entrance fee. I didn't have anything like this happen to me, just walked right into the gogo bars, no fee and no ID check. My hunch is that Indian guys will have an even harder time with P2 P in Pattaya than in Bangkok. The reason being that there are just a ton of Indians in Pattaya, and the girls / clubs tend to disfavor them as customers.

It's a similar story in Bangkok. I observed that near the entrance to nana plaza, many Indian guys would be stopped. Again, I had no issues and would just walk right into nana. But I saw other guys get stopped, questioned and they would have to show ID or maybe were even asked to pay an entrance fee. I did see a few Indian or "brown" guys inside the bars at Nana plaza. From speaking with the girls at Bangkok gogo bars, however, I had a few girls tell me that they will not get off the stage if an Indian guy buys them a drink.

Not trying to discourage or anyone or start any shit. Just my honest observations from the trip. I was surprised with how poorly Indian customers seemed to be treated by the bars / girls given how prevalent Indians are in Bangkok and Pattaya especially. Anyways, food for thought before you get on a plane and spend your time / money visiting Thailand.[/QUOTE]Are people of Indian origin from US (with American Passport) treated differently? I just happen to be one. I have lived in United States all my adult life and I am in my mid 40's. I get where you are coming from as I know the mentality all too well. I have been itching to go to Bangkok and have been day dreaming of a vacation there. All day I talk about traveling to Bangkok and will talk to anyone who will listen, and even those that won't listen.

I will not be going in a group with lot of guys. Just me by myself and maybe another friend (maybe) who knows about my dalliances.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;2994383]Are people of Indian origin from US (with American Passport) treated differently? I just happen to be one. I have lived in United States all my adult life and I am in my mid 40's. I get where you are coming from as I know the mentality all too well. I have been itching to go to Bangkok and have been day dreaming of a vacation there. All day I talk about traveling to Bangkok and will talk to anyone who will listen, and even those that won't listen.

I will not be going in a group with lot of guys. Just me by myself and maybe another friend (maybe) who knows about my dalliances.[/QUOTE]Sorry dude, but Thai people don't or can't make that distinction. Accents matter little to them. I've seen it where an Indian dude was stopped entering a Nana bar. The time I saw it, was one of the bars on the second floor. I never thought it real until I saw it with my own eyes, like dudes of all kinds were streaming in to the establishment and suddenly the bouncer just stopped the one Indian guy, nothing said, just stopped him and said he can't go in.

I've fucked Thai girls from here in the States, in Singapore's Geylang, and all over Bangkok, and I can tell you that most Thai people, especially the bargirls, don't really comprehend that a person's race can be different than their nationality. If you try to explain to them, for example that a Japanese person can be from Hawaii, or a Korean person can be from LA, or an Egyptian person can be from Australia, it just won't compute. To them you are Indian, so you must be from India. A typical Nana Plaza bouncer, will definitely just see you as an Indian. You can speak English with an American accent all you want, it won't make a lick of difference. Not saying that Thai's are racists, but a lot of them bar girls don't ever get the chance for a good education, not their fault really. Also, skin color really matters in Thailand, like literally. Thai girls be trying all kinds of skin whitening methods.

It's a weird south East Asian thing, kinda like the inverse of how white chicks all over the UK and the States are obsessed about tanning. Just goes to show you nobody's ever happy with themselves anywhere. Still though, I'd sell my soul to go back to Thailand.

You gotta look at it from their perspective. Imagine telling them that somewhere out there, exists Thai people that don't speak Thai. Holy cow, how will that ever make sense to them?

All that being said though, if you have the cash, then try the Pimp. The only thing they speak there is money. No caring about skin color there, the only thing that matters is green. You'll be treated like a king as long as you pony up.

I just did solo trip. Indian origin having US passport. All went well. Read my FR's.

As long as you are respectful it should be ok.

I would suggest do not be cheap Charlie but at same time hold your line on greedy waitresses and bouncers asking for drinks.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;2994383]Are people of Indian origin from US (with American Passport) treated differently? I just happen to be one. I have lived in United States all my adult life and I am in my mid 40's. I get where you are coming from as I know the mentality all too well. I have been itching to go to Bangkok and have been day dreaming of a vacation there. All day I talk about traveling to Bangkok and will talk to anyone who will listen, and even those that won't listen.

I will not be going in a group with lot of guys. Just me by myself and maybe another friend (maybe) who knows about my dalliances.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;2994383]Are people of Indian origin from US (with American Passport) treated differently? I just happen to be one. I have lived in United States all my adult life and I am in my mid 40's. I get where you are coming from as I know the mentality all too well. I have been itching to go to Bangkok and have been day dreaming of a vacation there. All day I talk about traveling to Bangkok and will talk to anyone who will listen, and even those that won't listen.

I will not be going in a group with lot of guys. Just me by myself and maybe another friend (maybe) who knows about my dalliances.[/QUOTE]Bangkok has multiple avenues for pleasure. So first, the places wher there is no discrimination, all massage parlours, all soapy establishment, all nuru places, thermae, freelnacers. The reason for this is, you pay and take services and its over. The business cycle is completed both sides giving their due. Now comes, the places, not all but few, as my fellow brothers keep setting higher milestones of low behaviour. These are few gogo bars, who in my opinion, are fully justified to do so. Notwithstanding, it should not discourage you, like it does not discourage me. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=ThreeLilBirds;2994303]According to Google, La Belle's 2nd last review: "closed permanently it has moved or associated about 1.3 km new name "Acqua."

Googling Poseidon and filtering for most recent reviews, it seems the place has lost its lustre. Multiple reports of people being pressured and rushed to finish up really quickly and not receiving the 90 mins as quoted and paid.

There's mentions of massage club "Black Caviar" which in their google reviews, someone posted a picture of the price list which is 7,700 -12,500 baht for 'Beautiful girl in luxury style' and then 16,500 up to a staggering 36,000 baht for 'Beautiful girl, supermodel style' (translated their menu) Latest review states 'no Thai bath service'.

Also mentions of "Marias Massage" with reviews and prices similar.

I guess as with everything YMMV according to any number of random things.

I think I'd rather pull 2 top tier STs from Nanas or elsewhere instead of 8 k in one of these 'high-end' establishments.

Anyone that has had a romp in any of these venues, I'd love to hear the feedback or link to previous reports.[/QUOTE]I had read that review befor my visit and was confused. Still I went. Read my review also. Its open and in full swing.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2994280]I was in Nana Plaza the day after the earthquake (Saturday). It was packed, hard to tell anything had happened.[/QUOTE]Good to know.

So I've been living in BKK for over a year now and could not help but scratch the itch. Being a mongering from California, GPS is nonexistent here in my eyes.

I walked into Ola ola massage on a Wednesday after seeing some good reviews about them. The mamasan was very welcoming and the girls on the outside weren't too good but I figured ill have them line up and see if they can catch my eye standing up.

I immediately gravitated towards a girl named "Happy", at least I think that's her name, I don't remember haha. She was by far the cutest and stood at about 5'5 with long milky legs. She looks like Jennie from the girl group Blackpink, but with blonde hair and a splash of Thai mixed in.

Turns out she's a VIP and was quoted 2500 instead of the standard 2200 for a normal FS 30 min. Now I don't know if VIP is a real thing but she's definitely worth the extra 300 looks wise.

We go in the room, standard shower, and off to the bed.

Her skin is the smoothest silkiest skin I have ever felt. Not a single blemish on it and its clear that she goes to great lengths to take care of herself. Her body is nice and curvy and yet, skinny. The good old body we look for, flat stomach, a nice handful for the breasts and a nice bubbly ass.

I am deathly scared of STDs (I know I monger, but its an addiction at this point), so I asked for a covered BJ and she still was putting in the work to get junior standing at attention.

We start off with mish and she feels nice and snug, I am not well endowed in the slightest, so being snug for me is tight for others haha. I switch over to doggy and the sight of her ass clapping against me as she moans is something that made me moving over here worth it.

I bust in doggy and we chit chat for a bit before I left.

WIR? Yes, I HAD to grab her line because this a gal ID like to see more than once while I live here.

Face: 8.8.

Body: 9.3.

Service: 8.7.

If any mongers in their 20's or 30's live in Bangkok, please feel free to reach out! Going solo is fun but I've been going solo since I started and would love to connect with like minded individuals.

Crater77, Ranvir and Newton York- Thanks for your contribution and perspective.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2994400]Sorry dude, but Thai people don't or can't make that distinction. Accents matter little to them. I've seen it where an Indian dude was stopped entering a Nana bar. The time I saw it, was one of the bars on the second floor. I never thought it real until I saw it with my own eyes, like dudes of all kinds were streaming in to the establishment and suddenly the bouncer just stopped the one Indian guy, nothing said, just stopped him and said he can't go in..[/QUOTE]Yes, I've experienced it. When on my first ever visit to nana plaza, I went in a group of 4 , denied entry to Geisha, and the other few I forgot name. Straps or I forgot name on the first floor.

But when I was solo mongering the other visit, all allowed in nana except the straps on the first floor right beside the staircase. It is little awkward to be denied entry but yeah I know what they face while being denied.

The trick is to be solo.

[QUOTE=ThreeLilBirds;2994303]According to Google, La Belle's 2nd last review: "closed permanently it has moved or associated about 1.3 km new name "Acqua."

Googling Poseidon and filtering for most recent reviews, it seems the place has lost its lustre. Multiple reports of people being pressured and rushed to finish up really quickly and not receiving the 90 mins as quoted and paid.

There's mentions of massage club "Black Caviar" which in their google reviews, someone posted a picture of the price list which is 7,700 -12,500 baht for 'Beautiful girl in luxury style' and then 16,500 up to a staggering 36,000 baht for 'Beautiful girl, supermodel style' (translated their menu) Latest review states 'no Thai bath service'.

Also mentions of "Marias Massage" with reviews and prices similar.

I guess as with everything YMMV according to any number of random things.[/QUOTE]I have been here twice and both times took the best looking girls 10/10. I chose from the high end luxury girls that don't sit in the fishbowl, but on the side. You can call girls to your table and have a chat and then decide if you want to go ahead with it. Best to ask the mamasan for suggestions.

[QUOTE=JohnnyBoy3212;2994496]So I've been living in BKK for over a year now and could not help but scratch the itch. Being a mongering from California, GPS is nonexistent here in my eyes.

I walked into Ola ola massage on a Wednesday after seeing some good reviews about them. The mamasan was very welcoming and the girls on the outside weren't too good but I figured ill have them line up and see if they can catch my eye standing up.

I immediately gravitated towards a girl named "Happy", at least I think that's her name, I don't remember haha. She was by far the cutest and stood at about 5'5 with long milky legs. She looks like Jennie from the girl group Blackpink, but with blonde hair and a splash of Thai mixed in.

Turns out she's a VIP and was quoted 2500 instead of the standard 2200 for a normal FS 30 min. Now I don't know if VIP is a real thing but she's definitely worth the extra 300 looks wise.

We go in the room, standard shower, and off to the bed.

Her skin is the smoothest silkiest skin I have ever felt. Not a single blemish on it and its clear that she goes to great lengths to take care of herself. Her body is nice and curvy and yet, skinny. The good old body we look for, flat stomach, a nice handful for the breasts and a nice bubbly ass.

I am deathly scared of STDs (I know I monger, but its an addiction at this point), so I asked for a covered BJ and she still was putting in the work to get junior standing at attention.

We start off with mish and she feels nice and snug, I am not well endowed in the slightest, so being snug for me is tight for others haha. I switch over to doggy and the sight of her ass clapping against me as she moans is something that made me moving over here worth it.

I bust in doggy and we chit chat for a bit before I left.

WIR? Yes, I HAD to grab her line because this a gal ID like to see more than once while I live here.

Face: 8.8.

Body: 9.3.

Service: 8.7.

If any mongers in their 20's or 30's live in Bangkok, please feel free to reach out! Going solo is fun but I've been going solo since I started and would love to connect with like minded individuals.[/QUOTE]Also from CA here too. Visiting late April. How long you in town for? I'm staying on sukhumvit 15 right by thermae LOL.

If you're still spending all your nights in the tourist zones thinking that's the peak Bangkok experience, you may want to try something new.

Some of the best ladies and the best attitudes are hiding in the places the tour groups don't even know exist:

• Local massage parlors: The vibe is real. No hard sells, no jaded looks. Girls actually want to have fun. Prices? Yeah, a little easier, but it's the attitude that makes it magic. This has been my experience.

•Neighborhood karaoke bars: You're not another walking ATM here. You're a guest. The girls are playful, the smiles are natural, and if there's chemistry, it's more genuine in my experience.

And here's the kicker, even as a farang, you can clean up in these spots if you know how to carry yourself.

You walk in like a normal human being, show some manners, a little charm, and you'll get better treatment than half the Thais. Girls in these places appreciate guys who are cool, who aren't acting like drunk idiots.

Example:

Last week I ducked into a small massage shop in my neighborhood. No huge flashing sign, no "supermodel" lineup at the door. Just normal, friendly girls. Walked in, picked a sweet one with a real smile, not the fake "pay me now" grin. She giggled when I told her in Thai I might leave a tip depending on her "performance. ".

Let's just say by the time we were done, the only thing missing was the wedding vows. No clock-watching. No upselling. No drama. A wonderful GFE and not even one mention of a condom. Tooms you need to do this more often.

I'm a farang, but it didn't matter. When you hit the right local spots, they treat you based on your vibe.

Bottom line:

If you're chasing real connections and real fun and you're not a complete tool, you can change it up and start playing where Bangkok actually lives. It's out there. You just have to stop thinking like a tourist and act like you belong. Learn some basic Thai.

How to find these places. I simply use google maps. I also check out Facebook and search for them in my area. It's a pleasant change to all the tourist places. I mix it up.

And of course, don't Overpay. Always read way back in the forum to double check any information that someone gives you, especially when the information is coming from folks who like to pretend they are experts by regurgitating the same stuff that's been on this board for years.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2994910]If you're still spending all your nights in the tourist zones thinking that's the peak Bangkok experience, you may want to try something new.

Some of the best ladies and the best attitudes are hiding in the places the tour groups don't even know exist:

Local massage parlors: The vibe is real. No hard sells, no jaded looks. Girls actually want to have fun. Prices? Yeah, a little easier, but it's the attitude that makes it magic. This has been my experience.

Neighborhood karaoke bars: You're not another walking ATM here. You're a guest. The girls are playful, the smiles are natural, and if there's chemistry, it's more genuine in my experience.

And here's the kicker, even as a farang, you can clean up in these spots if you know how to carry yourself.

You walk in like a normal human being, show some manners, a little charm, and you'll get better treatment than half the Thais. Girls in these places appreciate guys who are cool, who aren't acting like drunk idiots.

Example:

Last week I ducked into a small massage shop in my neighborhood. No huge flashing sign, no "supermodel" lineup at the door. Just normal, friendly girls. Walked in, picked a sweet one with a real smile, not the fake "pay me now" grin. She giggled when I told her in Thai I might leave a tip depending on her "performance. ".

Let's just say by the time we were done, the only thing missing was the wedding vows. No clock-watching. No upselling. No drama. A wonderful GFE and not even one mention of a condom. Tooms you need to do this more often.

I'm a farang, but it didn't matter. When you hit the right local spots, they treat you based on your vibe.

Bottom line:

If you're chasing real connections and real fun and you're not a complete tool, you can change it up and start playing where Bangkok actually lives. It's out there. You just have to stop thinking like a tourist and act like you belong. Learn some basic Thai.

How to find these places. I simply use google maps. I also check out Facebook and search for them in my area. It's a pleasant change to all the tourist places. I mix it up.[/QUOTE]This is good advice. Many people are "sheep" when it comes to travel. They do what everyone else is doing and go where all the tourist are. They eat at McDonald's, KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King and Western style places. They don't care about Thai culture. They just complain and talk about Thai culture, the food, the music, the traditions negatively. That's a little disrespectful if you ask me. I like the local scene. The less foreigners the better. I don't need to hang around them. That's not why I travel the world to look for fellow countrymen and other westerners to hang with them. I don't learn anything from them but arrogance and entitlement and I don't need that shit.

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Just curious, been out a Looooong while. Is there a replacement for FIWFANS?

Posting in both BKK and TF forums.

I just wrapped up my 4 day trip in Bangkok.

The forum has wealth of knowledge so I followed and got premium 2 days before my arrival.

I had my pictures and age display. Clearly told I am looking for fun.

Lot of inbounds. But almost 95% of them serious kinds and 35+.

Since paid subscribers can search and do unlimited messages. I messaged lot of them (maybe like 100). I did got responses from 15 or so. Some were ready to come they shared the rates but closer look revealed too much makeup.

I had 3 matches that I was very hopeful of a LT stay.

I did video call with all of them.

First one looked Latina. She was 8/10. I think it was my mistake on not specifically asking her if she was a free lancer but she was flirting a lot and also did video call while taking shower. So I thought it was a give me.

She came almost an hour late. I wished I had taken this as red-flag and cancelled. Had dinner and drinks with her in restaurant 2 minutes from my hotel and then moved to my room. She said she is into red wine and I had a bottle of Napa Red. Language barrier was not allowing that connection but she had this playlist and she put that on and started dancing.

She was rubbing me. However wasn't taking her clothes off. I asked her to take her shorts off and she said NO. That was it. I was horny and I made some excuse and said I need to go to business center to take urgent call and we have to wrap.

She wasn't happy that I was pushing her out but I got tired with her coming late then communication was not great so was missing the connection. More importantly I got the sense that she wanted to just drink and stay and not indulge in any action. While going she asked for taxi and I gave her 150 bhat. Said her Good bye and I headed to soi cowboy.

Lesson learned. I should have clarified if she was FL.

The other 2 were interesting. One was african and she did video call but was no way near her pics. So I rejected her. She was ready to come and I believe she would have been in the hotel within 30 minutes.

Other one was amazing and she flaked on me twice. But I had learned my lessons from the first night and was always ready with alternate plans.

My two cents on TF. Total waste of time for visitors that are in BKK for short stay like a week or two. It might be useful for expats but for tourists it is waste of time, lot of flaky ladies. They will never come.

I do not doubt folks that say they have scored some amateurs at TF. I am sure it is possible but that takes time, patience and someone who is an expat and staying in Thailand.

However IMHO tourists will get nothing from there. Just waste of time. Best is to pickup from Hillary bars or thermae. You see stuff in person and then pull the plug and no time wastage.

I also downloaded wechat and used the nearby option. No one responds and mostly are LB on we chat. I was in Sukhumvit 15 and tried to use it during the day time but no response and honestly nothing magical there.

Smoochi I didn't tried.

Pinged the Aries line chat for updated girls list, I had been told that Anna and Elsa are off and don't work there anywhere.

Everybody was hell busy and couldn't make prior appointment so visited the establishment straight. Was shown the iPad and I wanted to try duo nuru this time and proceeded with the options I was given.

They asked me what would I want to have for drinks among what they had and I enjoyed the Ginseng drink.

I choose Saki and Hikaru for 90 minutes about 8500 tbh.

They accompanied me to the top floor. After entering both of them took top care, undressed me and made me sit on the nuru chair, washed themselves and washed me. Blowjobs followed for 10-15 minutes, I didn't want to release yet. Later, they prepared the matress and asked me over. The experience at Aries was top tier. After the massage, I asked Saki to put a cover and bendover, there was a mirror and I could fuck her in doggy on the matress but hardly could see me fucking her over the mirror. I released after hard strokes. Washed and moved over to the bed where I relaxed and was pampered like a 3 year old boy Hikaru, she was a good talk. She wanted to ride me so bad and woke up my nunu, went on for good amount of time, I later wanted to do Saki again so the cover was changed and did her in missionary and finally released.

About Saki, solid body, correct fits, looks 32+ , can take hard strokes.

About Hikaru, petite, no boobs or very small, can suck till last breath and rides like a machine.

Aries Kokoro Ola Bkkvice Amor.

I felt Aries to be top among a few I visited over the years.

Heard much about the combo of Anna and Elsa at Aries but they were off and don't work anymore at the time when I visited. Now, as per sources heard Anna is back to work at Aries and Elsa at Aimi.

[QUOTE=Crater77;2995515]Posting in both BKK and TF forums.

I just wrapped up my 4 day trip in Bangkok.

The forum has wealth of knowledge so I followed and got premium 2 days before my arrival.

I had my pictures and age display. Clearly told I am looking for fun.

Lot of inbounds. But almost 95% of them serious kinds and 35+.

Since paid subscribers can search and do unlimited messages. I messaged lot of them (maybe like 100). I did got responses from 15 or so. Some were ready to come they shared the rates but closer look revealed too much makeup.

I had 3 matches that I was very hopeful of a LT stay.

I did video call with all of them.

First one looked Latina. She was 8/10. I think it was my mistake on not specifically asking her if she was a free lancer but she was flirting a lot and also did video call while taking shower. So I thought it was a give me.

She came almost an hour late. I wished I had taken this as red-flag and cancelled. Had dinner and drinks with her in restaurant 2 minutes from my hotel and then moved to my room. She said she is into red wine and I had a bottle of Napa Red. Language barrier was not allowing that connection but she had this playlist and she put that on and started dancing...[/QUOTE]Was literally about to pull the trigger on getting TF for my 2 week stay. But thanks for this. My tinder / bumble roster is pretty crazy and I have a date almost every day. I plan to meet them to see if they're down. If not, off to thermae / soi cowboy LOL.

This will be a strange request.

My wife and I are looking to explore and experiment.

Is there any place the Thailand seniors would recommend, where I can go with my wife to watch a good sex show or adult show?

Possibly a couples massage with extras for us both.

FIWFANS ADMIN still send me daily availability in TELEGRAM, pretty much the same girls I saw before.

[URL]angelsclubs.Com[/URL] is new to me, lists fewer girls, especially along Sukhumvit, with no descriptions or prices. I think it's a different group.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2995506]Just curious, been out a Looooong while. Is there a replacement for FIWFANS?[/QUOTE]

Goat,

In Asia dark skin are proof the people are rice farmers, dirty, uneducated, low income, poor, rude. Even if they are Thais, they are looked down to and generally avoided. Indians mostly look dark with body odors and cheap, sneaky attitudes, so they look suspicious and discriminated by girls and bars.

I bagged a dark-skin massage woman on Soi 22. In bed, her body was hard with strong muscles, skin tough like tanned leather, likely due to long exposure to the sun on rice paddies.

I prefer the softest, smoothest skin on girls. To me on line venues like FIWFANS or its replacements are the best venue to find the hottest, sweetest girls in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2995024]Uh, as a very long time resident I beg to differ with you. White skin is valued here. Dark skin people, including dark skinned Thai people are looked down upon.[/QUOTE]

I bagged 2 Viet freelance girls in Singapore, at corner of Geylang and Lorong 18. A dozen or so hang out in that area, even early in the morning.

Both were young, good-looking, with flawless, silky-smooth skin. They were moaning, caressing me tenderly, really enjoying sex like real GFs.

About a dozen Viet girls hang out on Sukhumvit Soi 4 near hotel Maison, talking loudly, animating. I even found them at 8 in the morning on my way to breakfast.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2994073]Could you please be more specific? Where exactly? Were they good looking?

I had 1 (for sure) or maybe 2 Viets in Bangkok over the years, they were both quite ok passionate and good looking. The best thing was how silky and smooth their skin was compared to most Thai girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2994926]And of course, don't Overpay. Always read way back in the forum to double check any information that someone gives you, especially when the information is coming from folks who like to pretend they are experts by regurgitating the same stuff that's been on this board for years.[/QUOTE]+1. High 555.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2995677]Goat,

In Asia dark skin are proof the people are rice farmers, dirty, uneducated, low income, poor, rude. Even if they are Thais, they are looked down to and generally avoided. Indians mostly look dark with body odors and cheap, sneaky attitudes, so they look suspicious and discriminated by girls and bars.

I bagged a dark-skin massage woman on Soi 22. In bed, her body was hard with strong muscles, skin tough like tanned leather, likely due to long exposure to the sun on rice paddies.

I prefer the softest, smoothest skin on girls. To me on line venues like FIWFANS or its replacements are the best venue to find the hottest, sweetest girls in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Yes, you and I are in agreement on these issues!

Has only a few girls in each district.

Click on the pics. Details will show descriptions, services, restrictions, and prices.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2995676]FIWFANS ADMIN still send me daily availability in TELEGRAM, pretty much the same girls I saw before.

[URL]angelsclubs.Com[/URL] is new to me, lists fewer girls, especially along Sukhumvit, with no descriptions or prices. I think it's a different group.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2995680]I bagged 2 Viet freelance girls in Singapore, at corner of Geylang and Lorong 18. A dozen or so hang out in that area, even early in the morning.

Both were young, good-looking, with flawless, silky-smooth skin. They were moaning, caressing me tenderly, really enjoying sex like real GFs.

About a dozen Viet girls hang out on Sukhumvit Soi 4 near hotel Maison, talking loudly, animating. I even found them at 8 in the morning on my way to breakfast.[/QUOTE]Beware of pickpockets / theives with Vietnamese girls.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2995677]I bagged a dark-skin massage woman on Soi 22. In bed, her body was hard with strong muscles, skin tough like tanned leather, likely due to long exposure to the sun on rice paddies.
[/QUOTE]You do know they are not working in the rice fields naked don't you? They are wrapped up from head to toe as to protect themselves from the sun. So how in the hell can the condition of her skin be due to her working outside?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2995861]You do know they are not working in the rice fields naked don't you? [/QUOTE]Ugh. Another illusion of mine shattered.

I did not expect them to work the paddies in bikinis.

Her torso was light, so it was covered. OTOH her arms were very dark and leathery with clear lines.

Does not take scholars to figure that out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2995861]You do know they are not working in the rice fields naked don't you? They are wrapped up from head to toe as to protect themselves from the sun. So how in the hell can the condition of her skin be due to her working outside?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2995677]Goat.[/QUOTE]Did she have a pretty face?

She looked mid 40's, not pretty, like a 4.

I tried to pick up a couple younger hot girls sitting out front, but they turned me down.

This woman was happy to go. We climbed up a rickety stairs to a small cluttered room on second floor. After she took her clothes off, I just had to close my eyes to get it over with.

This happened before Goat recommended FIWFANS. These girls are young, fresh, hot, pretty, passionate, DFK, BBBJ ect like real GFs. I would never go to massages again, only rarely bar and street girls.

Fiwfans admins still send out ads in Telegram. Look them up.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2996108]Did she have a pretty face?[/QUOTE]Meaning did she know how to do her make up correctly. It's 2025.

I was wondering how much are we all expected to pay for girls from these smaller bars in soi 11 Which are kinda hidden, and look a bit more upscale compared to the gogo bars in nana and cowboy?

I was reading that for ST, Rates have shot up to 5 k in Nana.

Only last year, my friend picked one up from Nana plaza for 3.5 k plus 1 k bar fine for the entire night. He had to pay her to leave.

Another friend picked one up from Soi Cowboy for 2.5 k plus he splurged some extra money and bar fine while he was there. She too stayed with him for just 2.5 k.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2996276]Way too many incidents in Colombia recently where sex tourists got drugged, robbed, kidnapped for ransom, murdered. Colombia is the most dangerous place for mongers. Always be careful on the road.[/QUOTE]If you Google. The number #1 drug for knock out or to decrease inhibition is alcohol. Works both ways for tricks and hookers. Welcome to the devil's playground for all who don't know. Now who is ready to buy 39 plus LDs? LOL.

As long as the chick has nice smooth skin, I don't really care about her complexion. Dark, white, brown, you name it. To me pussy is pussy. It's all pink in there. Nice, warm, gooey and pink. What I wouldn't give to go back to Thailand again. *sigh*.

So 4,000 has been the price in Rainbow 5 and 4 for quite awhile.

My earballs tell me Barfines have gone down quite a bit. Coincidence or Magic business hands at work.

Looking up closely at Rainbow 5 girls last night. I was thinking you be insane to pay close to $200 for a short time.

What say You.

P.S. The days past Superstar gets hardly any action anymore. She is getting old and I swear had facial adjustment s. Did not work for the Better. Hahaha. It's hard to look at her Now.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2996345]I was wondering how much are we all expected to pay for girls from these smaller bars in soi 11 Which are kinda hidden, and look a bit more upscale compared to the gogo bars in nana and cowboy?

I was reading that for ST, Rates have shot up to 5 k in Nana.

Only last year, my friend picked one up from Nana plaza for 3.5 k plus 1 k bar fine for the entire night. He had to pay her to leave.

Another friend picked one up from Soi Cowboy for 2.5 k plus he splurged some extra money and bar fine while he was there. She too stayed with him for just 2.5 k.[/QUOTE]I have spent a lot of time in Nana over the past few weeks. One or two places I went to charged 3 k (3 k ST + 1 k BF = 4 k) or 3. 5 k (3. 5 k ST + 1 k BF = 4. 5 k), but most are charging 4 K now (4 k ST + 1 k BF so 5 k total). Beer Sing, 165-200 baht. Ladydrinks, usually 200 thb. Many places are defaulting to double LDs so you need to specify one LD when ordering. I do this every time and have never had any pushback for it from the girl or waitress (I usually just buy 2-3 LDs, have never had a girl refuse ST before).

Just got back from Soi Cowboy tonight and honestly, it was madness. Songkran has the whole area packed and wild. Couldn't get anything done properly with the crowds, water, and general chaos everywhere.

Instead of wasting more time, I called up a girl I know from ThaiFriendly. She was already out partying in Nana (of course), and I figured she would be reluctant to leave the action, so I made her an offer she couldn't refuse. She's on her way over now.

Moral of the story: during Songkran, sometimes it's better to have a backup plan ready. Personally, I can't stand Songkran but at least the night looks like it's going to end well.

Stay safe out there.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2996506]As long as the chick has nice smooth skin, I don't really care about her complexion. Dark, white, brown, you name it. To me pussy is pussy. It's all pink in there. Nice, warm, gooey and pink. What I wouldn't give to go back to Thailand again. *sigh*.[/QUOTE]Had girl strip once and was looking like a zebra due to tan lines. I couldn't get hard. Paid 500 baht for her to leave.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2996660]Just got back from Soi Cowboy tonight and honestly, it was madness.[/QUOTE]Cross off Cowboy from my plans for next Saturday, I hope that Sunday it's all over.

Government says Suck-kran good for business.

Wet people don't Spend Money.

I m staying home Sunday night.

Is anyone spending more because it's Suck-kran?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2996660]Just got back from Soi Cowboy tonight and honestly, it was madness. Songkran has the whole area packed and wild. Couldn't get anything done properly with the crowds, water, and general chaos everywhere.

Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]It's for entertaining the tourists and let them live the Songkran experience LOL.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2996774]Cross off Cowboy from my plans for next Saturday, I hope that Sunday it's all over.[/QUOTE]Don't worry in Bangkok it's all over by then. Thursday, Friday Saturday of next week things are normal. Unlike Pattaya where it goes on still.

I'm arriving in BKK 21st April morning. Will there still be water activity on the streets or will it be over by then. Last year my holiday was ruined with water being thrown at me.

Here for Songkran (believe it not, anyway.).

- Thursday. Hotel half way between BTS Nana and Asoke.

A tour to Thermae. All girls 4-6 max so it was a no go for me. Finally picked a girl in the street. Front of Sofitel - 29 why, look younger as usual, 2500 be for 1 hour. Not the best experience ever, still jet lagged.

- Friday. Following recommandation read here, and the nice note in Google maps, I decide to goto Wonder Massage. Price list is in the website. A lot of girls are off for Songkran. My girl told me that Wonder has 100 customers per day. It is a plant. Was really disappointed. It could have been better with a robot. Shower, massage, BBBJ and CIM, bath. Don't even remember her name. Will not go again.

- Saturday / Sunday: it is Songkran. Totally crazy. Street are wet wet wet. Really fun if you want to enjoy only the event (Sanam luang for families. Silom Peg13 - Khao san road Peg18). No chance to go out without been splashed. Recommandation: Grab and goto La Belle ou others. Expensive but safe.

I stay at Ruamchit hotel and enjoy the scene. Girls in and out of the hotel with their customers (I have heard girl with a Japanese in the lobby asking him 3500 for one shot + room). 3500 from Thermae vs 5500 or 6500 at La Belle, I do not hesitate even 1 sec.

It will be done on Wednesday so next week will be better to enjoy nana and others.

So if some of your don't know, this is now a confirmed thing. I am 1000% sure anybody who will have tickets, especially VIP or tent packages, will be able to pretty much fuck any girl in Bangkok without rejection. Thailand is the first Asean country to be able to host this global event. If you don't know what Tomorrowland is, then ignore this. The girls will spot out fraudsters real quick. Learn to love Sia and Dua Lipa. Normally, I don't like to share insider tips, but these tickets resale well over their face value always. Buy early and hold onto them late. I've done this before where I flash my receipt confirmation and QR codes for the event and "promise" to take GG Bar girls with the golden pussy to the events. Strippers like to play and hustle, but some of us are oooh so much better at it than them. Revelations.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3_EFWkP2RU[/URL] (Video was a month old. It is now confirmed. 555).

Tan lines on chicks are ok dude. The chicks are still hot, and sometimes tan lines make them even hotter. Even if it's extreme tan lines.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2996796] Will there still be water activity on the streets or will it be over by then. Last year my holiday was ruined with water being thrown at me.[/QUOTE]You have absolutely nothing to worry about. This year, Songkran will be a water-free because someone complained about getting wet during the festival.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2996892]Tan lines on chicks are ok dude. The chicks are still hot, and sometimes tan lines make them even hotter. Even if it's extreme tan lines.[/QUOTE]I don't mind what colour a girl is, but always found it best if they are the same colour all over.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2996537]I have spent a lot of time in Nana over the past few weeks. One or two places I went to charged 3 k (3 k ST + 1 k BF = 4 k) or 3. 5 k (3. 5 k ST + 1 k BF = 4. 5 k), but most are charging 4 K now (4 k ST + 1 k BF so 5 k total). Beer Sing, 165-200 baht. Ladydrinks, usually 200 thb. Many places are defaulting to double LDs so you need to specify one LD when ordering. I do this every time and have never had any pushback for it from the girl or waitress (I usually just buy 2-3 LDs, have never had a girl refuse ST before).[/QUOTE]Yeah, was in Bunny 3. There were girls from one of the Rainbows dancing there.

My two drinks + 3 single lady drinks was roughly 1000.

ST was quoted as 1. 2 k BF and 3 k for the girl.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2996537]I have spent a lot of time in Nana over the past few weeks. One or two places I went to charged 3 k (3 k ST + 1 k BF = 4 k) or 3. 5 k (3. 5 k ST + 1 k BF = 4. 5 k), but most are charging 4 K now (4 k ST + 1 k BF so 5 k total). Beer Sing, 165-200 baht. Ladydrinks, usually 200 thb. Many places are defaulting to double LDs so you need to specify one LD when ordering. I do this every time and have never had any pushback for it from the girl or waitress (I usually just buy 2-3 LDs, have never had a girl refuse ST before).[/QUOTE]The rule in Nana has always been hold up your finger and say ONE Lady drink Krap. Cowboy too. Its a habit you all should have.

I had been to BKK a few weeks back for 2 days to catch a flight to China and took a this naughty time off. I didn't go to the gogo bars because I had to sleep and wake up on time. Stuck with trusted and reliable mps like Hunny bunny. But I had been itching to take a spinner back to my hotel from gogo.

I noticed a lot of nice looking girls in Bacara. Even though they are overpriced, I would like to know how much do they expect be paid.

Thanks to everyone for giving an idea of the updated prices.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;2996537]Many places are defaulting to double LDs so you need to specify one LD when ordering.[/QUOTE]Always check your bin when you get a new one after each drink order. If it says 2 drinks (double) have them take the drink and bin back and say you didn't order that. Never be pushed around by bars in Thailand.

I can see this happening often at super tourist Nana and Cowboy. Care to name the gogo bars that do this?

I have never had this happen in a Pattaya gogo bar and I've bought 1000's of LD over the years.

Monday evening, terrific on Sukhumvit. They are supposed to stop splashing but it is up to them. Quite difficult to reach my fav diner place. Krua Khun Puk -, I succeed by walking down the street and not on the walkside where water battle are in progress. This Songkran is really fun. Unless you want to do something not wet then it becomes a nightmare.

Anyway, diner done are then Thermae. We are 3 or 4 Caucasians and 100 asiat. So clearly except the 3 on Dick scale smile at us. The line up is not attractive (from 3 to 6 maybe) so after a drink I decide to give up and go back to the hotel in Sukhumvit15 at midnight. Oh street is calm. No water machine gun to avoid.

Few hours of scouting (Tinder is KO in Thailand. TF a bit better. Finally I catch 4 girls via WeChat. Last app to propose "Nearby connected people" Finally I do not conclude with the girls (2 FL 4000 and 6000 baths no way and 2 tourists reluctant to visit a man at 2 or 3 am).

Finally I try something for the 1st time (I go against some advise here), I call for a outcall massage of 2 hours for 1000 baths (yes 1000,26 euros for 2 hours).

I can then confirm 3 points:

1- Photos are fake. The agency sends pic "alike" but it is not same girl.

2- Good massage (she is only 4 but she is good at what she does).

3- Extra suggested at the end: Full service 4000 (fuck off) - CBJ 3000 (fuck off) - HK 1500. Not enough attractive to fuck her, but nice boobs I ended up with a self HJ on them.

Total: Massage 1000 + tips 500 for 2 hours service on my king size. Next time I try again but to find a beautiful girl.

(Massage agency 24/7 : Jenny outcall massage, google is your friend. Do I recommand yes and no, it depends what you want). I remain a huge fan of La Belle or Poseidon. Expensive but for good reason.

Concerning the outcall massage I will maybe renew but only for what it is, a massage.

[QUOTE=Jarjarmissa;2997098]Monday evening, terrific on Sukhumvit. They are supposed to stop splashing but it is up to them. Quite difficult to reach my fav diner place. Krua Khun Puk -, I succeed by walking down the street and not on the walkside where water battle are in progress. This Songkran is really fun. Unless you want to do something not wet then it becomes a nightmare.

Anyway, diner done are then Thermae. We are 3 or 4 Caucasians and 100 asiat. So clearly except the 3 on Dick scale smile at us. The line up is not attractive (from 3 to 6 maybe) so after a drink I decide to give up and go back to the hotel in Sukhumvit15 at midnight. Oh street is calm. No water machine gun to avoid.

Few hours of scouting (Tinder is KO in Thailand. TF a bit better. Finally I catch 4 girls via WeChat. Last app to propose "Nearby connected people" Finally I do not conclude with the girls (2 FL 4000 and 6000 baths no way and 2 tourists reluctant to visit a man at 2 or 3 am).

Finally I try something for the 1st time (I go against some advise here), I call for a outcall massage of 2 hours for 1000 baths (yes 1000,26 euros for 2 hours).

I can then confirm 3 points:

1- Photos are fake. The agency sends pic "alike" but it is not same girl.

2- Good massage (she is only 4 but she is good at what she does).

3- Extra suggested at the end: Full service 4000 (fuck off) - CBJ 3000 (fuck off) - HK 1500. Not enough attractive to fuck her, but nice boobs I ended up with a self HJ on them.

Total: Massage 1000 + tips 500 for 2 hours service on my king size. Next time I try again but to find a beautiful girl.

(Massage agency 24/7 : Jenny outcall massage, google is your friend. Do I recommand yes and no, it depends what you want). I remain a huge fan of La Belle or Poseidon. Expensive but for good reason.

Concerning the outcall massage I will maybe renew but only for what it is, a massage.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zam007;2997022]I had been to BKK a few weeks back for 2 days to catch a flight to China and took a this naughty time off. I didn't go to the gogo bars because I had to sleep and wake up on time. Stuck with trusted and reliable mps like Hunny bunny. But I had been itching to take a spinner back to my hotel from gogo.

I noticed a lot of nice looking girls in Bacara. Even though they are overpriced, I would like to know how much do they expect be paid.

Thanks to everyone for giving an idea of the updated prices.[/QUOTE]A note on Bangkok's evolution:

The Bangkok scene isn't what it was five or ten years ago. Some still post like it is. But the city has shifted, girls are savvier, social media has changed the freelancer landscape, and access to certain experiences now comes with a price tag. If you're basing your expectations on decade-old posts or nostalgia, you're going to be disappointed. Adapt or get left behind.

First: Negotiation is still possible.

Just because someone quotes you 4000 Baht doesn't mean it's non-negotiable. If the vibe is good and you're respectful, you can often agree on something more reasonable. That said, this isn't Pattaya, expecting 1000-2000 Baht ST quotes from freelancers in Bangkok is out of touch, especially in the more central zones.

Second: City dynamics affect pricing.

Bangkok is big. Girls need to travel, often from across the city, and they're not hopping on a scooter like in Pattaya. They have jobs, routines, and day-to-day lives. In their minds, it needs to be worth the trip, and for many of them, that means higher pricing.

Third: Thai Friendly has a different vibe in Bangkok.

While in Pattaya 90% of TF girls are freelancers or semi-pros, Bangkok is a mix, maybe 50/50, or even less. A lot of "normal" girls are on there looking for dating, language exchange, serious relationships and yes, occasional pay for play. This waters down your options, and when you do find a freelancer, they price accordingly. Again: different city, different market.

Fourth: Tourist zones = tourist pricing, but also quality.

Yes, places like Soi Cowboy, Nana, and Patpong are more expensive. But they also attract some of the most attractive and polished girls. Not always, but often. If you're looking for top-tier looks and service, expect to pay more, and understand why.

Fifth: Other options exist.

Massage shops, BJ bars, and even Thai-style clubs like T-Ded 99 (if you speak Thai) offer much more value. You'll also find girls in areas like Ratchada and Lat Phrao who cater to Thai and Asian clientele, again, the experience is more discreet and uninhibited. Just know: language and local knowledge help a lot in these cases. Ratchada and more specifically Ratchada Soi 17 is just one of these areas. Some of the night clubs will also have freelancers. However, their pricing is all over the map. Some are high and some are more reasonable.

WeChat, Tinder, and other apps?

Lots of ladyboys, lots of scams, and prices can go either way. Proceed with caution.

As for the poster who balked at a 4000 Baht quote:

Assuming he expected 3000 Baht as more reasonable, what followed was a time-wasting adventure with a massage girl he ended up with. Honestly, I would have paid 3500, or maybe countered at 3000, and sealed the deal. Instead, the guy wasted hours and ended up jerking himself off on an ugly girls tits. That said, he took one for the team, and posted back, which is more than most do. Respect.

Final note:

If you want to play in Bangkok with the hottest girls, you need to accept that it's going to cost you. And if you don't want to pay Bangkok prices, Pattaya is two hours away. The market is what it is, either adjust your budget, or find the part of the city that matches it. It's just not realistic to expect the same pricing in Bangkok as it was in 2012 today.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2996065]No such problems using TF in Bangkok. Bigger place so more girls to choose from, always plenty available 24/7 and if traffic is bad most hop on the back of a bike anyway. Don't create imaginary hurdles that don't actually exist![/QUOTE]

It seems that Jarjarmissa didnt have quite as easy of a time with Thai Friendly in Bangkok as the above poster claims. I dont even think Bangkok has more girls on TF than Pattaya does. This is a stat I would like to investigate further. I would bet that Pattaya has more girls using TF and most of those girls are selling pay for play. In Bangkok, there are less ladies and only some are selling pay for play. The punters who think every lady on TF is a freelancer in Bangkok and other areas except Pattaya and Phuket are dead wrong and if they dont be careful, they may have issues arising from propositioning a normal girl. There are so many regular girls in Bangkok and they dont all use Thai Friendly. To assume that is crazy. The majority of the girls in Bangkok are not even looking for a foreign boyfriend or a foreign customer. If you think Bangkok revolves around foreign tourists and all the girls are wanting to cater to them, you are so far out of touch with reality that it is not funny.

This is why being realistic is very important. In my opinion 3000 Baht is a realistic starting point and then it can go up from there based on many factors such as venue, location, quality of the girl and the services you require. A massage shop might be a little less and a freelancer or bar girl might be a little more. But if you budget 3000 Baht per encounter, you will be safe. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Crater77;2994180]So this was last full day. Wake up late, did BF, went to rooftop pool had a wine while I was there and then comeback to room. Took shower and was sitting and Earthquake happened. Stayed in room, went under the table and once it stopped, picked up my passport came outside hotel in huddle area.

Entire hotel was standing and people were running and some were really scared. Some from buildings and hotels beyond our alley were still running and coming out.

Fear factor was high for an hour and then people started drinking beers in the bars.

But most of locals were not going back in.

I had an irish bar 3 minutes walking from my hotel and it had people sitting out and drinking beer. I too joined them. FYI. I am pretty used to EQ's where I live but this one was one of the scariest and longest I experienced.

I too went to a bar across the street from Irish bar and ordered beer.

Some of the patrons in the bar were a german couple, britt and American gentlemen and we just chatted and talked about what happened and shared some experiences.

My original plan was to LT / outcall a girl from Addict. I messaged mamamsan on line to confirm if the girls had started and no reply came. This was couple of hours after EQ. I went for lunch and decided to take some genuine massage. Searched on phone and had one relax spa (seems like a chain) and another one right across my hotel (almost a full building) showed up. Both were 5 minutes walking in opposite directions. Went to both and they were both closed.

It was at this time I realized the traffic was all stuck and BTS was also not running.

My OG plan of final day- of LT from addict in the afternoon, Soapy in evening and Billboard pickup from NP was all looking like falling apart.

I messaged few others on Line and most didn't responded and some responded like closed and few responded with pics of who all were available. BTS was not running, no cars were moving.

Behind my hotel is massage shops. All genuine and I decided lets go to one of those and get the massage.

Went for oil massage the guy took me in and washed my feet and then I told him that I want a female masseur. Since this was genuine massage I kept the undies. Lady came in and started the massage and told me to take off the underwear. Took it off. Massage started and it was a regular massage but on flip she asked me if I want a release. I said why not. She quoted me 2000. I said skip it. I didn't wanted it plus she was ok not a stunner and there was no way she would take her clothes off. There was a curtain that closed the massage area. Anyhow she said what I want to give. I said 600 for massage and 400 for her.

She started and gave me a HJ. She did it very discreetly and was paying close attention to outside noise while jerking me.

So I got a genuine massage and paid another 400 for HJ.

Came out and next to this shop was a bar with pool tables. I still had few hours to kill before heading to Soapy. Saw a real pretty girl sitting inside. I went and sat opposite her. Ordered beer and asked how does the pool thing work.

My focus was on the girl only. She looked like a local girl was dressed nicely with nails done well. I would have asked her to join me in drink but I stopped because she had 2 bottles of water on her table. I thought she was waiting for someone. Any how I had a beer to finish and I got drink for my waitress and other one as well and started pool with one of the waitress (she was like 50 ish) but all I was trying to do was.

1. See if I can strike a conversation with the girl sitting right across.

2. Ask the waitresses if they get FL's that hang out late at night.

Played 2 games and finished my beer and this girl was still sitting alone and then suddenly one of the 2 guys who were playing pool in adjacent table came and talked to this girl. Looked like her boyfriend but for last 35 minutes this dude didn't came to say Hi to her and she was dead bored all this time.

My plan was to ask her to join us for next game but glad I didn't. I asked the waitress and then gave me inconclusive answers if FL will be there at night. Wrapped up and left after beer and pool.

Now traffic was still there. I walked to thermae and it was closed.

Called La belle and no one was picking and IVR kept saying some stuff in Thai. I checked and Cab was showing 45 minutes and walking was 29 minutes. It was at this time I realized many things will be closed. I decided today is the day I spend all my time at Nana Plaza. Got ready walked and fuuuuccccccck. It was closed. The entire complex was dark.

I said let me pick someone from street. I decided to go back and pick someone on street. Talked with few but didn't liked anyone. Then outside thermae saw few beauties. I talked with few and checked them out. Finally like one 26 year old and she asked for 3 K for ST. Told her BJ with no condom ok but she was bad at English. Had another 40 year old who came over to explain it to her and she said ok. Then all of sudden old 40 year old said she too can join. I told her I only want younger one then all of a sudden she said money in advance.

I told older one I do not pay advance and ignored her. I talked directly to this younger girl. I gave her my hand and said I will take care of her and my hotel is 5 minutes walk. She stood and held my hand and we started walking. She was wearing right size heal, ripped jeans and tank top with pretty big boobs. She had that Girl next door look.

Walked to my hotel, went to room. Did some foreplay. Told here to undress in front of me. She took shower. I made myself a drink and she came out wrapped in towel. I then went for shower and when I came out she had turned of most of the lights. Started with BJ, she sucked great and I just kept asking her to do more and more. Very nice eye contact. Then did my usual Cowgirl, Doggy and then missionary with DFK. I made her give me a long BJ and then another 20 minutes of fucking. I finally came in with slow sensual missionary. Her pussy was just right amount of tight and she was pretty submissive.

Paid the money and said GN. Final day had a great ending.

It was a 4 day trip. Did missed out on Soapies and Billboard and also BC or Pimp. So next time.

I did used TF, WeChat, Telegram and Line. I will share my experience with all these in separate post. This forum is great and I had great time learning and exchanging notes from folks in this forum.[/QUOTE]I would like to thank Crater77 for his most recent realistic reports about Bangkok. This is just one of the many examples. Nothing in here about propositioning street vendors or the promise of taking a girl to Tomorrow Land next year by showing here fake tickets in exchange for sex. Just solid reporting. These are the things that count on ISG. Thanks again Crater. I am glad you had a great time in Soi Cowboy. I'm also sorry to read about the doorman at Crazy House asking you to pay an entry fee. That is not the norm but I have witnessed that happening on Soi Cowboy to Indian dudes. Regardless of your nationality or race, you should not be treated that way. As I have again seen, either some doormen will ask these guys to pay an entry fee or ask them to buy their 1st drink outside before they are allowed in. You did the right thing to walk away. Another bar was happy to take your money. One tip for you for Crazy House. If you ever want to go back, just say last time you were there you didn't have to pay any entry fee. Let them think you have been before. No excuse for that idiot door man. You were clearly there to spend money and proved it the next spot you went in. Their loss. I love Baccara too. I just like the idea of Crazy House as it's the closest to a Pattaya gents club as you can get in Bangkok with the exception of the pricing, which is much higher. The girls are fully naked and walking around the club and you can do shit with them upstairs on the 2nd floor sometimes. Anyways, thanks again, I enjoyed reading all of your reports. Hope you will return again soon and report.

Returned last week from 1st trip to pattaya, Bangkok. Great and fun time. I think on all fronts Bangkok just cost more. Pattaya my hotels nice, reasonable and included breakfast. Bangkok I stayed between nana, soi cowboy. Hotel older but clean, good location, soy 8 but 20% higher than pattaya, no breakfast and breakfast most places near $10. Also many ladyboys and can be tuff to spot. I had a tourguide and couple nights we sat outside of Nana and watched customers, ladyboys cross by us to go to st hotel. Most returned in 20-30 minute times pan so ladyboys must please many quickly. There were many freelancers in same area and few had business. And again all massage places more money than pattaya. I got quotes at wood bar and couple massage places. Wood bar was mid, late afternoon and selection poor, did not partake. I'm retirement age so pattaya targeted 30 plus year old ladies and couple places had 1000 baht barfine but easy to find ST for 1000-2500 all in and more difficult to find in Bangkok. BTS is great transportation in Bangkok. Used it many times including airport to leave. Very smooth, fast and great price.

[QUOTE=Luis2;2997231]Returned last week from 1st trip to pattaya, Bangkok. Great and fun time. I think on all fronts Bangkok just cost more. Pattaya my hotels nice, reasonable and included breakfast. Bangkok I stayed between nana, soi cowboy. Hotel older but clean, good location, soy 8 but 20% higher than pattaya, no breakfast and breakfast most places near $10. Also many ladyboys and can be tuff to spot. I had a tourguide and couple nights we sat outside of Nana and watched customers, ladyboys cross by us to go to st hotel. Most returned in 20-30 minute times pan so ladyboys must please many quickly. There were many freelancers in same area and few had business. And again all massage places more money than pattaya. I got quotes at wood bar and couple massage places. Wood bar was mid, late afternoon and selection poor, did not partake. I'm retirement age so pattaya targeted 30 plus year old ladies and couple places had 1000 baht barfine but easy to find ST for 1000-2500 all in and more difficult to find in Bangkok. BTS is great transportation in Bangkok. Used it many times including airport to leave. Very smooth, fast and great price.[/QUOTE]Another realistic report, great job. Would love more details about where you went and what happened.

I ran into a real pretty and sweet bargirl in front of Rainbow 5. I chatted her up but didn't get her name. Only that she worked at Rainbow 5 and that she was "half Japanese and half Thai". Any of you know her name, story and details? Here's a pic of her I managed to catch .

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2997188]A note on Bangkok's evolution:

The Bangkok scene isn't what it was five or ten years ago. Some still post like it is. But the city has shifted, girls are savvier, social media has changed the freelancer landscape, and access to certain experiences now comes with a price tag. If you're basing your expectations on decade-old posts or nostalgia, you're going to be disappointed. Adapt or get left behind.[/QUOTE]Absolutely this!

I was just on X (Twitter) and pulled 5 girls (3 hookers and 2 regular):

The Hookers:

These girls only write in Thai, cater to the Thai market but when they see you're polite and have been here more than 20 years, look clean. They will respond.

However, if you're going to go with Thai "Social media girls", be ready for some discrimination. They all have (No Indian) in their profile (bad experience or unfair stereotype), and they charge according to your pecker's size. It's +300 THB for size 52, add another +300 THB for size 54 and 56 are just outright rejected.

Prices are Crazy, many want you to access their paid locked account first (where their nudes are), then charge you for a video call (they will never meet before seeing you first) and if you want to see them, it's reservations only, 500 THB deposit and you either go to their place or prepay their roundtrip.

Prices are very similar:

1500/40 minutes, 1 water (Thais use water instead of "shot" or "cum".

1800/60 minutes 1 water + massage.

2500/90 minutes 2 water + massage.

5500. For 24 hours, Unlimited water + massage, 8 hours of sleep with no service.

The regular girls:

Very very difficult, one has to be very patient, have a good profile, many photos, or these girls will NOT give you the time of day.

Hundreds of Thai guys are commenting on their pics, videos, posts. Be it TikTok, X, Instagram, Facebook. They gets hundreds of guys. All is in Thai, so for her to go through the trouble of translating your text (yes I write in English). If she's lazy that time or day, she will not even bother.

Eventually, she will notice and if she's open minded, she will talk.

Some are a waste of time as all they want to do is practice their English, some are just curious and waste your time just to see how far they can push you. Some are open to meet for a meal and either just want to have fun or want a sugar daddy (they're not really in for a serious relationship).

And, these girls still live in the dream that all White guys are millionaires, so many will want to go eat at fancy places.

As EverythingThai said, it's not for the cheap!

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2997237]I ran into a real pretty and sweet bargirl in front of Rainbow 5. I chatted her up but didn't get her name. Only that she worked at Rainbow 5 and that she was "half Japanese and half Thai". Any of you know her name, story and details? Here's a pic of her I managed to catch .[/QUOTE]I don't know about you, but if I were you and you are still in Bangkok, I would just go back and drink with her and take her out of the bar. Hell if you don't do it, I will. She looks hot as hell. Just my style of BKK girl, and her being half Japanese as well makes me want her more without even meeting her first. I know where I'm going tomorrow. She wont be cheap though, in the words of Roberto vs the world, “WHO CARES!”

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2997237]I ran into a real pretty and sweet bargirl in front of Rainbow 5. I chatted her up but didn't get her name. Only that she worked at Rainbow 5 and that she was "half Japanese and half Thai". Any of you know her name, story and details? Here's a pic of her I managed to catch .[/QUOTE]I don't know her but I can tell about her story and details.

Being "half Japanese and half Thai" means in reality she is born 100% Thai but paid for a few surgeries to look different than natural Thais.

We are a group of four Indians on a bachelor trip. Looking to get some lap dances and maybe a little casual flirting / contact (like dancing) nothing too sexual.

Was looking at Karaoke bars in Soi Thaniya based on my research. But I've seen reports saying they are only open for the Japanese. Could anyone in the forum please help on where we can get some strippers or hostess to get some lap dances and / or party with. (Any details on pricing would also help to avoid getting scammed).

We also have have decent 5-star hotel booked so maybe we could host in our rooms too?

My DMs are also open. Any help / advise would be truly appreciated.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2997233]Another realistic report, great job. Would love more details about where you went and what happened.[/QUOTE]A realistic report that's a great job that lacks details.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2997246]I don't know her but I can tell about her story and details.
Being "half Japanese and half Thai" means in reality she is born 100% Thai but paid for a few surgeries to look different than natural Thais.[/QUOTE]Haha, you're probably right.

However, her English was pretty good, and she was lighter skinned than your typical Isaan farm girl.

My sense was that she's from Bangkok and is perfecting the art of demanding more than 5 k ฿ ST fee. I mean, she was like, dipped in butter sauce.

I would have gone for a spin with her, but I had just been milked at a blowjob bar. Plus. I had an early flight out the next day.

Anyway, I've left Bangkok but will be returning in a month, so I was hoping for a name to search for to pass the time. However, Rainbow 5 has lots of pretty girls to serve as a consolation prize.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2997238]... and they charge according to your pecker's size. It's +300 THB for size 52, add another +300 THB for size 54 and 56 are just outright rejected.[/QUOTE]Fantastic, I'll get a discount!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2997246]Being "half Japanese and half Thai" means in reality she is born 100% Thai but paid for a few surgeries to look different than natural Thais.[/QUOTE]She wasn't half-Japanese, she just said that to "stand-out" and add another couple thousands to the fee for her being an "exotic" find. Lots of Thais have some degree of Chinese blood so that's not uncommon enough, Japanese sounds better.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2997237]I ran into a real pretty and sweet bargirl in front of Rainbow 5. I chatted her up but didn't get her name. Only that she worked at Rainbow 5 and that she was "half Japanese and half Thai". Any of you know her name, story and details? Here's a pic of her I managed to catch .[/QUOTE]Look good from the side.

I don't recall anything looking like that last week. I'm sure her Hair would get her noticed unless her face is Ugly.

[QUOTE=SherIn2;2997290]We are a group of four Indians on a bachelor trip. Looking to get some lap dances and maybe a little casual flirting / contact (like dancing) nothing too sexual.

Was looking at Karaoke bars in Soi Thaniya based on my research. But I've seen reports saying they are only open for the Japanese. Could anyone in the forum please help on where we can get some strippers or hostess to get some lap dances and / or party with. (Any details on pricing would also help to avoid getting scammed).

We also have have decent 5-star hotel booked so maybe we could host in our rooms too?

My DMs are also open. Any help / advise would be truly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Google The PIMP BKK.

[QUOTE=SherIn2;2997290]We are a group of four Indians on a bachelor trip. Looking to get some lap dances and maybe a little casual flirting / contact (like dancing) nothing too sexual.

Was looking at Karaoke bars in Soi Thaniya based on my research. But I've seen reports saying they are only open for the Japanese. Could anyone in the forum please help on where we can get some strippers or hostess to get some lap dances and / or party with. (Any details on pricing would also help to avoid getting scammed).

We also have have decent 5-star hotel booked so maybe we could host in our rooms too?

My DMs are also open. Any help / advise would be truly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I am told that Indians traveling in groups are most likely to be discriminated against due to their history of behavior that is not favorable to the establishment. This type of discrimination is seen, usually, in GoGo bars. I know you said Karaoke bar, but just wanted to put it out there to make sure you are aware of it.

[QUOTE=Studley;2997543]Google The PIMP BKK.[/QUOTE]Indian s bro. Don't send them to ZIMP. .

Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2997298]How can she look as hot as hell when all you see is a side view, no face?

Not half japanese either.

But hey give us a report as to how hot she is, since you're going to do a sight unseen. Make sure you invent lots of details and costs.[/QUOTE]I guess you have never heard of sarcasm.

[QUOTE=SherIn2;2997290]We are a group of four Indians on a bachelor trip. Looking to get some lap dances and maybe a little casual flirting / contact (like dancing) nothing too sexual.

Was looking at Karaoke bars in Soi Thaniya based on my research. But I've seen reports saying they are only open for the Japanese. Could anyone in the forum please help on where we can get some strippers or hostess to get some lap dances and / or party with. (Any details on pricing would also help to avoid getting scammed).

We also have have decent 5-star hotel booked so maybe we could host in our rooms too?

My DMs are also open. Any help / advise would be truly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I can see so many ways for things to go wrong. But to give you the benefit of the doubt, PIMP does sound like the type of place you are looking for. But only go if you are prepared to pay THB20,000 per person for a night of 3-4 hours, AT LEAST. That means each person takes a girl to fondle for a couple of hours and a few bottles to share. You'll also need to tip staff well and show them that you are committed to dropping wads of cash as soon you are in. None of this 'let me see and then decide' BS, no sharing of one bottle between 4 guys and sharing of one girl, and no haggling and no other tactics to cut costs.

Costs for food drink, room and entertainment time can be communicated to you as soon as you arrive and everything you consume will be calculated by the club and printed onto your receipt, including payment for the girls. If you don't try to scam them, likely they won't try to scam you. And if you are generous beyond what's printed on the receipt, you will likely do well. When Koreans and Japeanse visit they drop cash and care later. That's the point. Hell, the US strip clubs have made this sort of thing an art. I got lessons on how to make it rain when I was last in the US and I tell you what, it's damn fun!

If this doesn't sound like your type of thing then you can try your luck at the go-gos or where the locals go but that is much more sex oriented and as mentioned here you might need to pay penance for the sins of others.

In general, I find this to be true the world. Finding women to party with (and I mean really party) is far far more expensive than finding just a blow job and sex.

I don't think anyone needs guidance on how to find cheap sex in Thailand. Quality entertainment is harder to find.

I'm recently divorced after years of no-Sex marriage. I'm looking to do a solo mongering trip to Thailand however I'm quite scared to catch STDs. I'm aware of PreP and PEP and Hep / HPV vaccines. And of course, Planning on using condoms. Is there anything else I should be doing? Like only going through an good agency or asking for a latest test report from the girl?

[QUOTE=ElectroMan99;2997813]I'm recently divorced after years of no-Sex marriage. I'm looking to do a solo mongering trip to Thailand however I'm quite scared to catch STDs. I'm aware of PreP and PEP and Hep / HPV vaccines. And of course, Planning on using condoms. Is there anything else I should be doing? Like only going through an good agency or asking for a latest test report from the girl?[/QUOTE]You're already doing a lot more than any other guys out there. I think you should be OK with these. You have a great plan. But Thailand has a way, it enchants you like a snake-charmer and next thing you know, you're having bareback sex.

1. Do NOT fall in love with a bar / massage girl.

2. Do NOT repeat with the same girl and let her accompany you, she will ruin your mongering experience.

3. Do NOT let the girls impale you raw (yes, it does happen more often than one thinks).

I remember a girls from Euro Massage (Inside Euro Inn) who begged me to get her pregnant because she wanted a half / Farang baby.

Keep a cool head and you should be safe enough.

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Can anyone recommend where to find a great 3 some? Is it better to go to soi cowboy / nana and ask the ladies if they down? Or trying to pair up 2 freelancers at thermae? Anyone have good success?

[QUOTE=ElectroMan99;2997813]I'm recently divorced after years of no-Sex marriage. I'm looking to do a solo mongering trip to Thailand however I'm quite scared to catch STDs. I'm aware of PreP and PEP and Hep / HPV vaccines. And of course, Planning on using condoms. Is there anything else I should be doing? Like only going through an good agency or asking for a latest test report from the girl?[/QUOTE]ElectroMan, my good sir. Asking a working girl in Thailand for a test report? Hoping an agency will do that? I don't know dude. This is Thailand, and it's not really a thing. It's always going to be a risk in Thailand, about as much as in Europe. You've done all you can do. But since it's Thailand, and if you've got the cash, and if you can keep an eye on the chick every day as she's with you, you can feasibly arrange a multi day booking with a girl. Almost all of them will do it, since it means cash. Have her tested at the beginning of the first day of booking, and then fuck her to your hearts content until the last day. But I would say if you're going to hobby, then the risk of std's are going to be par for the course. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=Omfgitzjin;2997969]Can anyone recommend where to find a great 3 some? Is it better to go to soi cowboy / nana and ask the ladies if they down? Or trying to pair up 2 freelancers at thermae? Anyone have good success?[/QUOTE]Easy to arrange in a go go bar. Girls often suggest it themselves when they have a friend with whom they are comfortable doing it. A couple of trips back when Erotica bar in Nana Plaza was located off the stairs between the levels, I had a great all nighter with two of the girls who worked there. Can't remember what I paid, but it would be a lot more now. Pretty sure I got a discount for taking two though (not on the barfines of course). My other Bangkok threesome was with two African girls I pulled off the street near Soi Cowboy. On neither occasion was I actively looking for a threesome. I don't think you'll have any trouble finding what you're after.

[QUOTE=ElectroMan99;2997813]I'm recently divorced after years of no-Sex marriage. I'm looking to do a solo mongering trip to Thailand however I'm quite scared to catch STDs. I'm aware of PreP and PEP and Hep / HPV vaccines. And of course, Planning on using condoms. Is there anything else I should be doing? Like only going through an good agency or asking for a latest test report from the girl?[/QUOTE]Dude. You just said you plan to use condoms. You are all set. Obviously use good judgement and don't pick up straight trash on the streets but the girls will be thrilled you want to use condoms and the chances of catching anything are vanishingly small. You don't need Prep and Doxy and all that. Condoms will cover it. So to speak. 😝.

[QUOTE=Omfgitzjin;2997969]Can anyone recommend where to find a great 3 some? Is it better to go to soi cowboy / nana and ask the ladies if they down? Or trying to pair up 2 freelancers at thermae? Anyone have good success?[/QUOTE]IN my opinion, best place is, massage parlour. There are many, where they mention clearly in their menu, with rates and also which staffs are doing it. ITS very trasparent.

To clarify, I spoke with her for a bit. Her face was gorgeous and she really was sweet.

I didn't feel comfortable asking for a photo, as the security guys were running around saying no photos, so I snuck a side shot to remember her.

If you have any actual intel to share, please do.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2997307]Haha, you're probably right.
However, her English was pretty good, and she was lighter skinned than your typical Isaan farm girl.
My sense was that she's from Bangkok and is perfecting the art of demanding more than 5 k ฿ ST fee. I mean, she was like, dipped in butter sauce.
I would have gone for a spin with her, but I had just been milked at a blowjob bar. Plus. I had an early flight out the next day.
Anyway, I've left Bangkok but will be returning in a month, so I was hoping for a name to search for to pass the time. However, Rainbow 5 has lots of pretty girls to serve as a consolation prize.[/QUOTE]

A partner of mine from Asia and me want to monger with a few girls and were considering Thailand, does anyone know if it'll be easy to get SW's to agree a price and for example come to our hotel to play?

[QUOTE=KindAn;2998508]A partner of mine from Asia and me want to monger with a few girls and were considering Thailand, does anyone know if it'll be easy to get SW's to agree a price and for example come to our hotel to play?[/QUOTE]Easy of course depends on your price 555.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;2998189]IN my opinion, best place is, massage parlour. There are many, where they mention clearly in their menu, with rates and also which staffs are doing it. ITS very trasparent.[/QUOTE]Depending on what type of 'threesome' you are after, you might be left disappointed by a MP threesome. Almost all do advertise '4 hands' massage, but in reality this is quite tame. Usually the girls will take turns in doing sexual acts on you, rarely at the same time. Also rarely will they play with each other. One will usually be more dominant than the other and take the lead.

If you want a PSE type threesome, you might get it alright at the likes of SnowWhite or Tulip but I'd be very specific and upfront with the madam / receptionist on arrival as to what you want and what you expect.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2998536]Depending on what type of 'threesome' you are after, you might be left disappointed by a MP threesome. Almost all do advertise '4 hands' massage, but in reality this is quite tame. Usually the girls will take turns in doing sexual acts on you, rarely at the same time. Also rarely will they play with each other. One will usually be more dominant than the other and take the lead.

If you want a PSE type threesome, you might get it alright at the likes of SnowWhite or Tulip but I'd be very specific and upfront with the madam / receptionist on arrival as to what you want and what you expect.[/QUOTE]I had shared my opinion, which in your opinion was not the correct answer to the original query, however you have not come out with the solution. Where do you think is the highest possibility to get quality threesome so that forum members could take note. Thanks.

[QUOTE=KindAn;2998508]A partner of mine from Asia and me want to monger with a few girls and were considering Thailand, does anyone know if it'll be easy to get SW's to agree a price and for example come to our hotel to play?[/QUOTE]I have recently seen a few couples looking for this on Thai Friendly. I would try that. Then I would go into a few Go Go bars together and chances are that if any of the girls want to sit with you two, they will also be down for this. Discuss it over a couple of Lady drinks.

[QUOTE=Omfgitzjin;2997969]Can anyone recommend where to find a great 3 some? Is it better to go to soi cowboy / nana and ask the ladies if they down? Or trying to pair up 2 freelancers at thermae? Anyone have good success?[/QUOTE]For me, I hate to say it, but the best place for me for this was always Pattaya. I paid 2 girls 10,000 baht each. They basically did anything and everything for the entire night and again 2 or three times the next day. When I mean anything and everything, I literally mean that. I found the most recent girls on Thai Friendly. I picked them separately and then invited them both to drink first to see if they had chemistry. Then we went back to my condo. So, you could try that in Bangkok too. However, TF in Bangkok is not the same as Pattaya. There are a lot of regular girls on it here. So, be selective and be careful about who you send messages to and feel them out first.

In Bangkok, I have tried to find the same thing, but the girls were not active with each other. The rest was ok though. I would not pay the same in Bangkok unless I could find the same as I find quite easily in Pattaya. That being said, I know some girls in Crazy House on Soi Cowboy that offered me this one time so you could try there. I did not take them up on it as I was there to meet another girl.

Therefore, in summary, try Thai Friendly and Crazy House and if all else fails, head to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Omfgitzjin;2997969]Can anyone recommend where to find a great 3 some? Is it better to go to soi cowboy / nana and ask the ladies if they down? Or trying to pair up 2 freelancers at thermae? Anyone have good success?[/QUOTE]I've gotten numerous threesomes out of thermae and nana. Ask. Don't cheap charlie. Lay the ground rules.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;2998642]I had shared my opinion, which in your opinion was not the correct answer to the original query, however you have not come out with the solution. Where do you think is the highest possibility to get quality threesome so that forum members could take note. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I wasn't answering the original query, I was putting a proceed with caution addendum to your generalised answer that you'll get a 'great' threesome in MP's simply because they advertise '4 hands massage'. If you actually bothered to read my response correctly I already say if you are going the MP route, try Tulip or Snow White as they are reknowned for PSE experience. Again the original member did not specify what he was after, one person's idea of a great threesome will be very different to another.

If you want my personal opinion, to get a great threesome (FMF) in Bangkok, you need to do a bit of legwork, go chat up girls in the bars or video chat online etc, in other words interview girls basically and use your intuition and experience.

[QUOTE=Omfgitzjin;2997969]Can anyone recommend where to find a great 3 some? Is it better to go to soi cowboy / nana and ask the ladies if they down? Or trying to pair up 2 freelancers at thermae? Anyone have good success?[/QUOTE]I've done the 3-some deal a few times, but prefer one on one. Just on the basis of my own experience, I would suggest hitting the small bars on Soi Cowboy (such as Toy Bar, Moonshine, Jungle Jim's). Also the beer garden bars on Soi 7. These joints don't have 20 or 30 or more dancers, so the girls know each other quite well and tend to have closer friendships. My limited experience tells me you have a good chance of arranging a small group grope. Just look for 2 or 3 gals who seem to be associating with each other for an unusually long period of time and go from there if you see anything that you find acceptable.

Sam.

I was in BKK for a conference 2 weeks ago and man did I have a blast!

Day 1.

Had to get my BJ bar fix done, went across to VOVO BJ bar, nice clean set up where they have themed rooms and ladies. I was expecting an out of this world BJ, however, it was relatively crap and I didn't enjoy it at all. Guess my expectations were too high.

As I was walking back on Soi 33, I noticed the line up of a japanese nuru place, I don't remember the name, but I had seen their website earlier, walked in and picked the one who smiled back at me. Amazing Nuru service, with deep throat BBBJ.

Day 2.

Was busy all day at the conference. Didn't get time to anything during the day. Headed to Thermae, walked around and picked freelancer. 3000 B + 700 B for hotel room upstairs.

Lack luster service, very average and mechanical.

Day 3.

I decided to try out Nana plaza, have been to Billboard before, so wanted to try another place. I'm Indian, but am fair skinned and don't look like one, there was small jap place with girls dressed in lingerie which looked very interesting, but they told me 500 B to enter. Went across to Rainbow 4, got a place to sit and a drink, but didn't really like anything. I cut my losses and headed back to Thermae.

Did another walk around and singled in on a nice looking girl. Same 3000 + 700. But this time, I told her will give you an extra 1 k after the session if I get GFE, BBBJ, Kissing with tongue, provided you make me happy. The girl got into it, amazing kisser, nice deep BBBJ great experience.

Day 4.

I found fantasy 8 on the web and it looked interesting, the pictures of the girls clearly stated no silicone, which got me interested. This time I went in for a 3 Some. The girls were avg looking, but great attitude and amazing service with a smile. I didin't like the cleaning of the shaft when switching BJ between the girls, but they were fun.

This was less than 10 min walk from Nana, so I deceided to try again, but this time I went straight back to billboard, and it did not disappoint. Spoke to mamasan and told her I was here to spend some money. She immediately got me a semi private area to sit down and I asked for 3 different girls from the stage and enjoyed 2 lady drinks with each for 400 B each. I didn't really want to take any of them home, but I really had a blast with the lap dances, and virtual open access to their boobs.

Day 5.

Evening flight, decided to head out to Aries for a Nuru massage, and this was by far the best nuru experience I've ever had. The girl was beautiful, petitie and had amazing tits, which she knew how to use. 2 weeks later, I still vividly remember her BBBJ.

BKK was simply fantastic, the girls, the atmosphere, the cost. Can't go wrong.

S.

Thanks Bro. I learnt from the forum. Happy to give it back.

I am planning to be there next year to complete few things that I missed. Hopefully more stories next time.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2997227]I would like to thank Crater77 for his most recent realistic reports about Bangkok. This is just one of the many examples. Nothing in here about propositioning street vendors or the promise of taking a girl to Tomorrow Land next year by showing here fake tickets in exchange for sex. Just solid reporting. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2998696]Also the beer garden bars on Soi 7. These joints don't have 20 or 30 or more dancers, so the girls know each other quite well and tend to have closer friendships. My limited experience tells me you have a good chance of arranging a small group grope. Just look for 2 or 3 gals who seem to be associating with each other for an unusually long period of time and go from there if you see anything that you find acceptable.

Sam.[/QUOTE]My take on Soi 7 is a bit different. There is such a high percentage of unattractive girls that it could be difficult to find two friends that look good enough for a threesome. In my experience, many of the younger good looking Soi 7 girls are "drinks only". If I wanted a threesome, I'd head straight to the go go bars in Nana Plaza and I would expect to pay up around 10,000 - 12,000 baht total (drinks, bar fines, tips, tuk tuk, girl fees).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2998772]My take on Soi 7 is a bit different. There is such a high percentage of unattractive girls that it could be difficult to find two friends that look good enough for a threesome. In my experience, many of the younger good looking Soi 7 girls are "drinks only". If I wanted a threesome, I'd head straight to the go go bars in Nana Plaza and I would expect to pay up around 10,000 - 12,000 baht total (drinks, bar fines, tips, tuk tuk, girl fees).[/QUOTE]I agree the go-go bars are as good a place as any to arrange a threesome, but don't think it should cost more than twice the price of one girl, though that may well end up as 10,000-12,000 as you say. I'd put "threesome" in quotes though, because one can unfortunately not expect the girls to interact with each others in Thailand. Not at all, and most of the stories I've read about thressomes here seem to involve one girl hiding in the bathroom while you're banging the other girl, and then they swap places.

There was some guy here some years ago, named Szyygies or similar, who could find girls that were genuinely bi at the go-gos, but he'd been around soi cowboy / nana for a long time and was a magician as far as I know. For a real threesome, I think the rest of us need a lot of luck, and if you're that lucky you might as well buy some lottery tickets and spend the money you win on flying to a country where real threesomes are available, or accept to bang the grandmothers at the PSE shops.

For that reason it's not something I attempt to do in Thailand, but for what it's worth, last year I had a failed, somewhat unintended, attempt at a threesome in one of the go-go bars at Soi Cowboy. Went something like this:

1) peeked inside and looked around for 30 seconds to see if it was worth sitting down and ordering the mandatory orange juice, before looking more closely at the girls and see if I wanted to take anyone back to my place.

2) sat down with my drink and looked more closely at a pretty girl on the stage. Girl #1, around 22 years old I guessed. Indicated she could join me on the bench. Talked a little bit to gauge things, then offered her a drink. Continued sitting together with girl #1 and eventually doing some very light pecking on the lips while she was sipping her drink.

3) I was eventually also looking at another other girl, girl #2, who I also thought was pretty and smiled a bit at her too. About a year or two younger than girl #1 I guessed, but a bit less my type personality wise, and apparently a friend of girl #1, as girl #2 also came over and was hanging out in front of us, standing and having some laughs with girl #1.

4) after gauging girl #2 for some minutes, I invited her to sit down with us, on my left hand-side and put my other arm around her. Offered girl #2 a drink too, and we chatted a bit while I was discreetly groping them a bit.

5) sat like this for a bit. I had no intention of barfining girl #2 today, but she was pretty company and it was nice to have a pretty girl under each arm, and thought maybe I'll come back for her another day. Eventually started pecking girl #2 a bit on the lips too, and then alternating between girl #1 and #2 without pause, in a feeble attempt to gauge things a little bit regarding how comfortable they were with each others. I was a bit curious whether any of them would mind me kissing them both like that.

6) girl #2 was asking me for another drink, which I said was fine. Ordered another drink for each of them, and we continued chatting about nothing much.

7) a bit after that I asked girl #1 if they'd both like to join me at my place for short-time. Girl #1 said ok, 3000 for each, which was about as expected and ok for me. Somewhere along the line girl #2 got me to order her another drink too, though at this point I remember starting to think she was maybe getting a bit too drunk.

8) don't remember the exact details, but as I was about to pull them out of there, there was some crap about the barfine, and I thought the barfine price was too high. I expected it to be max 1,000, but it was for some reason higher (1500 maybe?) and I was not sure if girl #1 was trying to scam me, or there was something different about the prices in this go-go. In the end I said ok, but then I'll pay them 2500 each instead of 3000 as short-time, which they accepted without too many objections.

9) I indicated girl #1 should get the mamasan and I'd pay the barfines, and girl #1 then said I needed to pay for the short-time also at the bar.

Well, if there is one rule to follow in Thailand regarding freelancers and bargirls, it's that you should pay afterwards not before. Girl #1 however refused this, and I also refused to pay before, so there was no progression and I mai pen rai-ed girl #1 never mind then, though she kept sitting with us.

10) girl #2 was at this point unfortunately rather drunk and had not caught on to what the problem was, so I had to explain it to her. Girl #2 said I could pay her afterward, it was ok for her. I thought about this for a few seconds, as I'd not mind banging girl #2 at all, but at that point she was drunk enough I worried she would pass out and puke all over my bed or something, so instead I bid my adieu to them both.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2998809]I agree the go-go bars are as good a place as any to arrange a threesome, but don't think it should cost more than twice the price of one girl, though that may well end up as 10,000-12,000 as you say. I'd put "threesome" in quotes though, because one can unfortunately not expect the girls to interact with each others in Thailand. Not at all, and most of the stories I've read about thressomes here seem to involve one girl hiding in the bathroom while you're banging the other girl, and then they swap places.

[B]There was some guy here some years ago, named Szyygies or similar, who could find girls that were genuinely bi at the go-gos, but he'd been around soi cowboy / nana for a long time and was a magician as far as I know.[/b] For a real threesome, I think the rest of us need a lot of luck, and if you're that lucky you might as well buy some lottery tickets and spend the money you win on flying to a country where real threesomes are available, or accept to bang the grandmothers at the PSE shops.

For that reason it's not something I attempt to do in Thailand, but for what it's worth, last year I had a failed, somewhat unintended, attempt at a threesome in one of the go-go bars at Soi Cowboy. Went something like this:

1) peeked inside and looked around for 30 seconds to see if it was worth sitting down and ordering the mandatory orange juice, before looking more closely at the girls and see if I wanted to take anyone back to my place.

2) sat down with my drink and looked more closely at a pretty girl on the stage. Girl #1, around 22 years old I guessed. Indicated she could join me on the bench. Talked a little bit to gauge things, then offered her a drink. Continued sitting together with girl #1 and eventually doing some very light pecking on the lips while she was sipping her drink.

3) I was eventually also looking at another other girl, girl #2, who I also thought was pretty and smiled a bit at her too. About a year or two younger than girl #1 I guessed, but a bit less my type personality wise, and apparently a friend of girl #1, as girl #2 also came over and was hanging out in front of us, standing and having some laughs with girl #1.

4) after gauging girl #2 for some minutes, I invited her to sit down with us, on my left hand-side and put my other arm around her. Offered girl #2 a drink too, and we chatted a bit while I was discreetly groping them a bit.

5) sat like this for a bit. I had no intention of barfining girl #2 today, but she was pretty company and it was nice to have a pretty girl under each arm, and thought maybe I'll come back for her another day. Eventually started pecking girl #2 a bit on the lips too, and then alternating between girl #1 and #2 without pause, in a feeble attempt to gauge things a little bit regarding how comfortable they were with each others. I was a bit curious whether any of them would mind me kissing them both like that.

6) girl #2 was asking me for another drink, which I said was fine. Ordered another drink for each of them, and we continued chatting about nothing much.

7) a bit after that I asked girl #1 if they'd both like to join me at my place for short-time. Girl #1 said ok, 3000 for each, which was about as expected and ok for me. Somewhere along the line girl #2 got me to order her another drink too, though at this point I remember starting to think she was maybe getting a bit too drunk.

8) don't remember the exact details, but as I was about to pull them out of there, there was some crap about the barfine, and I thought the barfine price was too high. I expected it to be max 1,000, but it was for some reason higher (1500 maybe?) and I was not sure if girl #1 was trying to scam me, or there was something different about the prices in this go-go. In the end I said ok, but then I'll pay them 2500 each instead of 3000 as short-time, which they accepted without too many objections.

9) I indicated girl #1 should get the mamasan and I'd pay the barfines, and girl #1 then said I needed to pay for the short-time also at the bar.

Well, if there is one rule to follow in Thailand regarding freelancers and bargirls, it's that you should pay afterwards not before. Girl #1 however refused this, and I also refused to pay before, so there was no progression and I mai pen rai-ed girl #1 never mind then, though she kept sitting with us.

10) girl #2 was at this point unfortunately rather drunk and had not caught on to what the problem was, so I had to explain it to her. Girl #2 said I could pay her afterward, it was ok for her. I thought about this for a few seconds, as I'd not mind banging girl #2 at all, but at that point she was drunk enough I worried she would pass out and puke all over my bed or something, so instead I bid my adieu to them both.[/QUOTE]As I recall when two girls approached him in a bar and pitched the idea of taking them both for a "threesome", which in my experience used to happen more often several years ago, he would right then and there ask them to kiss each other before inviting them to so much as sit down and chat about it. If they complied and did so with genuine DFK sloppy tongues passion, then he would consider the possibility and proceed. If not, no deal and don't even bother sitting down for a Lady Drink.

Yes, your description of a Thai P4 P "threesome" meaning one hides in the toilet while the other does whatever and then they switch places is pretty much in line with my experience as well. And the only times that aforementioned poster's approach to vetting the candidates has resulted in genuine on the spot DFK sloppy tongue action in the bar, the candidates were so unattractive I suspect I would have been the one hiding in the toilet the whole time.

Threesomes were real and worth the effort for me in The Philippines back in the day. But so far not in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2998809]There was some guy here some years ago, named Szyygies or similar, who could find girls that were genuinely bi at the go-gos, but he'd been around soi cowboy / nana for a long time and was a magician as far as I know. For a real threesome, I think the rest of us need a lot of luck, and if you're that lucky you might as well buy some lottery tickets and spend the money you win on flying to a country where real threesomes are available, or accept to bang the grandmothers at the PSE shops.
[/QUOTE]I had the pleasure of meeting him at the T-Ded 99 meet up I did years ago. I have always wondered what happened to him. He was a good guy to monger with. I'm sure he is still lurking around the forum in one way or another. During this time the forum was great. We always had meet ups and they were a blast and sometimes out of control.

[QUOTE=Studley;2998701]I was in BKK for a conference 2 weeks ago and man did I have a blast!


Day 4.

I found fantasy 8 on the web and it looked interesting, the pictures of the girls clearly stated no silicone, which got me interested. This time I went in for a 3 Some. The girls were avg looking, but great attitude and amazing service with a smile. I didin't like the cleaning of the shaft when switching BJ between the girls, but they were fun.


S.[/QUOTE]This quote should speak volumes to the member expecting a 'great' threesome in a MP parlour. Cleaning shafts and switching between girls is par for the course.

My own opinion is hardcore threesomes can be arranged but are not easily arranged or found in Thailand in general.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2998809]There was some guy here some years ago, named Szyygies or similar, who could find girls that were genuinely bi at the go-gos, but he'd been around soi cowboy / nana for a long time and was a magician as far as I know. For a real threesome, I think the rest of us need a lot of luck, and if you're that lucky you might as well buy some lottery tickets and spend the money you win on flying to a country where real threesomes are available, or accept to bang the grandmothers at the PSE shops..[/QUOTE]Syzigies aka Mick Licker aka MP Lurker was an MP expert, especially the soapies. Another real OG of ISG.

I remember meeting him a few times, At Giotto's place and we went to visit a few soapies together (he's the one who got me to try them). From Sideliners of Nataree to high end girls of LaBelle.

My returning of the favor was to introduce him to Miss Diamond-tooth of SOL.

There was no lottery in his approach, he was very meticulous in his selection and picky, even if price was high. I always respected his approach to mongering.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2998884]I had the pleasure of meeting him at the T-Ded 99 meet up I did years ago. I have always wondered what happened to him. He was a good guy to monger with. I'm sure he is still lurking around the forum in one way or another. During this time the forum was great. We always had meet ups and they were a blast and sometimes out of control.[/QUOTE]How about some links to your reports.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2998898]This quote should speak volumes to the member expecting a 'great' threesome in a MP parlour. Cleaning shafts and switching between girls is par for the course.

My own opinion is hardcore threesomes can be arranged but are not easily arranged or found in Thailand in general.[/QUOTE]I haven't been in Bangkok since pre-Covid so it's been a while, but when I was there my experience with threesomes was somewhere in the middle.

My first threesome in Bangkok was at a soapy which I think was called Amsterdam. It had a giant windmill neon sign above it. I don't think it exists anymore. The girls I chose there didn't interact with each other, but that isn't my thing anyway so it didn't bother me.

Second time was in the now defunct Eden Club, which was basically a threesome only shop. There I had the only threesome in which the girls interacted with each other, though it did seem a bit like an act.

Third time was a nuru massage at Doki Doki when it just opened. The girls didn't interact with each other (again, not my thing so it didn't bother me). The nuru mattress was too small though, and I kept sliding off it, so it was a bit clumsy. On the bed was better.

In all cases the girls changed condoms each swap, which complicated things, and cleaned as mentioned, however in all cases the girls were with me the entire time, and I had them ride and face-sit me simultaneously. I didn't experience any "hiding in the bathroom" LOL.

For the most part though in my experience threesomes are better off as fantasies than in reality. My only truly great threesome was in an AO FKK in Germany, but that is a story for a different forum.

I will be coming to Bangkok this upcoming Sunday though (at last!) and am considering trying a threesome in Tulip during the week.

[QUOTE=JLifesOn;2998999]I haven't been in Bangkok since pre-Covid so it's been a while, but when I was there my experience with threesomes was somewhere in the middle.

My first threesome in Bangkok was at a soapy which I think was called Amsterdam. It had a giant windmill neon sign above it. I don't think it exists anymore. The girls I chose there didn't interact with each other, but that isn't my thing anyway so it didn't bother me.

Second time was in the now defunct Eden Club, which was basically a threesome only shop. There I had the only threesome in which the girls interacted with each other, though it did seem a bit like an act.

Third time was a nuru massage at Doki Doki when it just opened. The girls didn't interact with each other (again, not my thing so it didn't bother me). The nuru mattress was too small though, and I kept sliding off it, so it was a bit clumsy. On the bed was better.

In all cases the girls changed condoms each swap, which complicated things, and cleaned as mentioned, however in all cases the girls were with me the entire time, and I had them ride and face-sit me simultaneously. I didn't experience any "hiding in the bathroom" LOL.

For the most part though in my experience threesomes are better off as fantasies than in reality. My only truly great threesome was in an AO FKK in Germany, but that is a story for a different forum.

I will be coming to Bangkok this upcoming Sunday though (at last!) and am considering trying a threesome in Tulip during the week.[/QUOTE]Enjoy the trip! Yes the demise of the Eden club has been a big loss to the BKK scene. I am not aware that there is anything like it in BKK these days. I presume you have read the recent reports on Tulip, not great reading.

My only true threesome was actually in Bali not so long ago, totally unexpected, the massage parlour had signs everywhere that no extra's, no touching etc, then 30 minutes into it, the girl basically asked if I wanted extras, then called her friend / colleague in and they turned into wild animals for an hour! So they can happen when least expecting it, so I never give up hope!

Friends,

I am planning for trip to Thailand from 18th May for 6 days. Please guide me whether it is right time to visit or I should delay. How to search for girls online? Websites like TF or reliable?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2999118]Enjoy the trip! Yes the demise of the Eden club has been a big loss to the BKK scene. I am not aware that there is anything like it in BKK these days. I presume you have read the recent reports on Tulip, not great reading.
[/QUOTE]Thanks!

Yes, I have been reading up on the Tulip thread, however I also saw there that Ying is back, and I recall a fantastic time with her. I hope she hasn't left since.

[QUOTE=Omfgitzjin;2997969]Can anyone recommend where to find a great 3 some? Is it better to go to soi cowboy / nana and ask the ladies if they down? Or trying to pair up 2 freelancers at thermae? Anyone have good success?[/QUOTE]I recommend Beer Garden on Soi 7. Full of freelancers all day and you can ask them to find a friend for you. There's nothing they have not heard before!

[QUOTE=Crypton;2999278]I recommend Beer Garden on Soi 7. Full of freelancers all day and you can ask them to find a friend for you. There's nothing they have not heard before![/QUOTE]It was gutted a couple of years ago. If freelancers have returned to the scene of the crime this is the first I've heard of it.

Quick question: Is Maison Hotel on Soi 4 Guest Friendly?

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2999282][b]The grave of the beer garden?[/b]
It was gutted a couple of years ago. If freelancers have returned to the scene of the crime this is the first I've heard of it.[/QUOTE]There is still a beer bar going by the name of "Beer Garden" essentially at the same location on Soi 7 as the old Beer Garden. However, it is now just a small open air beer bar like the other open air beer bars in that Soi 7 collection of bars, no longer an indoor pub with a food menu.

There are usually bar girls, er ladies, sitting in that open air version of Beer Garden the same as in the other bars in that area. Presumably, some of them will go with a customer rather than only accept Lady Drinks from them and not go with a customer for sex.

But be warned that entire collection of bars is somewhat famous for employing many, many "Lady Drinks Only" ladies, coincidently mostly the ones anyone would want to have sex with for any amount of money. I have not heard the doable girls or ladies sitting in that new Beer Garden, if any, are an exception to that general rule.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2998842]As I recall when two girls approached him in a bar and pitched the idea of taking them both for a "threesome", which in my experience used to happen more often several years ago, he would right then and there ask them to kiss each other before inviting them to so much as sit down and chat about it. If they complied and did so with genuine DFK sloppy tongues passion, then he would consider the possibility and proceed. If not, no deal and don't even bother sitting down for a Lady Drink.
[/QUOTE]Sounds obvious when you hear it, but I did not think of that. Great and simple idea, though I expect to get nothing more than a frown and a laugh out of that here in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2999278]I recommend Beer Garden on Soi 7. Full of freelancers all day and you can ask them to find a friend for you. There's nothing they have not heard before![/QUOTE]And when exactly did your frequent this place last!

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2999295]Quick question: Is Maison Hotel on Soi 4 Guest Friendly?[/QUOTE]Yes it is, probably obvious when you see all the FLs outside every night directly in front.

There are loads of websites giving you the 'guest friendly' reviews on hotels around Nana, just google.

[QUOTE=PgReal;2999118]Enjoy the trip! Yes the demise of the Eden club has been a big loss to the BKK scene. I am not aware that there is anything like it in BKK these days. I presume you have read the recent reports on Tulip, not great reading.

My only true threesome was actually in Bali not so long ago, totally unexpected, the massage parlour had signs everywhere that no extra's, no touching etc, then 30 minutes into it, the girl basically asked if I wanted extras, then called her friend / colleague in and they turned into wild animals for an hour! So they can happen when least expecting it, so I never give up hope![/QUOTE]Alive and well. Red Fern Soi 7/1 = Eden Club.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2999295]Quick question: Is Maison Hotel on Soi 4 Guest Friendly?[/QUOTE]Can you imagine any hotel in Soi 4 not being guestfriendly?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2999395]Alive and well. Red Fern Soi 7/1 = Eden Club.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info Houston Player!

Yep, their website shows that this is still a threesome / foursome only shop.

It also shows the play on the Eden club name in the new name. Red fern.

I wonder why they rebranded it.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2999278]I recommend Beer Garden on Soi 7. [/QUOTE]I believe the sign is still there, but the old Beer Garden is long since gone.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2999395]Alive and well. Red Fern Soi 7/1 = Eden Club.[/QUOTE]The pricing on their site seems off. Double the price for an extra 30 m and 2 free refreshments?

300 girls here tonight. Stage shows.

[QUOTE=BKKjee;2999225]Friends,

I am planning for trip to Thailand from 18th May for 6 days. Please guide me whether it is right time to visit or I should delay. How to search for girls online? Websites like TF or reliable?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You should never delay visit to Thailand. It all 365 days full blast. If you delay, your next visit also gets delayed and so on. Visit on first opprtunity. Enjoy.

I made that terrible mistake myself. I delayed thinking that Thailand isn't going anywhere, that I'll be back soon enough. But weeks became months, and now months has become years. And my mind has turned to mush, and I'm going insane thinking about how I was this close to getting back to Thailand, and downing some sidegra and burying my dick in some hot Thai pussy. Instead I'm stuck in this fucking hell hole, wishing death upon myself. Regretting, ashamed at myself for missing the chance to go back to Thailand. Just jerking off to porn because I can't afford chicks here in this ridiculously expensive city. Just for one measly handjob from a shitty massage joint here in the shitty American north east, I coulda banged 3 hot babes in Bangkok. Christ on a stick!

DO NOT fucking delay. Don't be an idiot like me. Just fucking go. GO gawdamnit! Fucking go! By Lucifer's beard! Goooooooo!

6 days is not nearly enough time. With such a short window, don't bother with online chicks. Just have fun at the massage joints, the oilies and the soapies. Have some beer at Nana and Cowboy. Live your best life dude. Bangkok will change you forever.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2999549]I made that terrible mistake myself. I delayed thinking that Thailand isn't going anywhere, that I'll be back soon enough. But weeks became months, and now months has become years. And my mind has turned to mush, and I'm going insane thinking about how I was this close to getting back to Thailand, and downing some sidegra and burying my dick in some hot Thai pussy. Instead I'm stuck in this fucking hell hole, wishing death upon myself. Regretting, ashamed at myself for missing the chance to go back to Thailand. Just jerking off to porn because I can't afford chicks here in this ridiculously expensive city. Just for one measly handjob from a shitty massage joint here in the shitty American north east, I coulda banged 3 hot babes in Bangkok. Christ on a stick!

DO NOT fucking delay. Don't be an idiot like me. Just fucking go. GO gawdamnit! Fucking go! By Lucifer's beard! Goooooooo!

6 days is not nearly enough time. With such a short window, don't bother with online chicks. Just have fun at the massage joints, the oilies and the soapies. Have some beer at Nana and Cowboy. Live your best life dude. Bangkok will change you forever.[/QUOTE]Amen brotha.

A huge facility for 300 girls with private room and guests.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2999549]I made that terrible mistake myself. I delayed thinking that Thailand isn't going anywhere, that I'll be back soon enough. But weeks became months, and now months has become years. And my mind has turned to mush, and I'm going insane thinking about how I was this close to getting back to Thailand, and downing some sidegra and burying my dick in some hot Thai pussy. Instead I'm stuck in this fucking hell hole, wishing death upon myself. Regretting, ashamed at myself for missing the chance to go back to Thailand. Just jerking off to porn because I can't afford chicks here in this ridiculously expensive city. Just for one measly handjob from a shitty massage joint here in the shitty American north east, I coulda banged 3 hot babes in Bangkok. Christ on a stick!

DO NOT fucking delay. Don't be an idiot like me. Just fucking go. GO gawdamnit! Fucking go! By Lucifer's beard! Goooooooo!

6 days is not nearly enough time. With such a short window, don't bother with online chicks. Just have fun at the massage joints, the oilies and the soapies. Have some beer at Nana and Cowboy. Live your best life dude. Bangkok will change you forever.[/QUOTE]I'll probably regret asking but. If you are so hell bent on Thailand being your paradise, what is the one main reason stopping you from upping sticks and start a new chapter in your life in Thailand then?

I hear you mainly complaining about the cost of living, cost of everything in the States, especially eggs, so one thing is for sure you couldn't be any worse off economically by emigrating?

So I am just back from a short 3 day holiday in BKK. Flight landed last Sunday early in the morning at Don Mueang airport at around 5 am. There was a long queue for passport control. Took almost 1. 5 hours to clear immigration and catch a taxi! Stayed on Sukhumvit road.

DAY 1.

In the evening I hit up the famous Tulip massage shop. Took a nice MILF type girl by the name of Joe-Joe. She told me she was around 38. Nice fair skinned and and a well toned body. Lovely face!

DAY 2.

In the afternoon I popped into Mango Massage and was shown the line up. None of the girls smiled at me except for one girl. A cute 20 something. So I chose her and it was a nice experience, very chatty and friendly. In the evening, I headed to P's Thai Massage for a foot massage and then was in a mood for a full body massage. To my surprise the lady did not drape me and was constantly teasing my privates when I flipped over. Got a nice HJ, showered and left. (they don't provide those disposable undies either) Its surprising P's Massage has signs every where in the shop that soliciting staff for extras will land you with a fine of 10 K Baht and contact with Thai police. Second time I got lucky at P's Massage. Last time I guess was last year in September. Not all masseuses working there take the initiative though.

DAY 3.

In the evening I went to Tulip's again and this time I chose 2 girls. Ying & Gop. Told them I want a lesbian Show. Read that Gop puts on a good les show here on the forum from past reports. Gop told me to watch closely and take lessons and proceded to finger the shit out of Ying's kitty while simulteanously licking her clit! She orgasmed hard! No idea if it was real or fake though! . Ying looks really nice once the clothes are off. She has a nice girl next door face and no tattoos. Must have been very pretty back in her heyday!

I asked Gop if in real life she prefers women over men and she told me that she only likes men and what goes on in the shop is just an act for the customer. She said she's 100% straight. They both knew I am from the sub continent because of my previous visits there yet they were asking me about my nationality. I tried dodging the question. I easily pass off as a Turk or Iranian but unfortunately my accent gives it away. The next morning another girl from Tulip who I visited in the past texts me asking me if I'm in BKK. She wasn't present this time when I was in the shop but she came to know of my visit. These women are all friends and gossip a lot!

The next day in the afternoon I packed up and headed for DMK airport. It was smooth. DMK has a nice cosy feel and old world charm compared to Suvarnabhumi. I prefer DMK now. Back home in India and its boring as hell!

I tend to ramble and get introspective. Fair warning.

Ok I've been in BKK 3-4 days. Here are my ups and downs as a first timer to Thailand.

After 31 hrs of travel I arrived at 5 AM, wrapped up some online work, then went for a massage at Relax House Massage [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/9NtqjvUdn3rR5xzM8[/URL] x 2 hrs. Excellent massage, wouldn't have been against a happy ending but that vibe wasn't there so that was fine. Mostly wanted to relax after so much travel.

That evening I was feeling lazy, so I order a massage to my room from Tata Massage [URL]https://www.outcallbangkok.com/.[/URL] I was texted a line up. My first choice was unexpectedly ill, so I just told send me someone petite and friendly. They suggested Jaidee and I said OK. I chose 90 min "full body massage (happy ending)" for 2600 baht. But when the girl arrived I knew wanted full service. She was mid 20's, on the petite side, in shape, be cups, face kinda cute. So FS was another 2000. OK fine. Sex was interesting. This was the first provider that has ever let me finger her pussy and ass to my heart's content, and seemed into that + DATY pussy and ass LOL. This the first time I was able to get down and dirty deep in a woman's business since my divorce, so a little deja vu there. Everything was pretty routine. Main negative was she was a little obsessed with the status of the condom (which she demanded prior to intercourse. For a one off random arrival to my room, she loosened up pretty well and overall I was quite satisfied. Not a super high value (gave 5000 total) but compared to ATL, ridiculously cheap.

Late in the evening I wandered endlessly, in awe at the veritable plethora of available street walkers peppered throughout Sukhumvit. The earthy African girls were getting in my head running serious interference on my Asian doll mongering plans. I discovered that hot lady boys grabbing at me strokes my ego despite my horror. And no mood lifting medication is ever necessary; just walk up and down the Nana Plaza street 3 times and you feel like a total, unstoppable Chad LOL.

In Nana Plaza I did not find a single place that didn't have girls that were plenty cute and fit for me at least. Yes, Billboard is next level but honestly this not my type. They are f-ing gorgeous but I am more a GND kind of guy. Got to say I didn't realize how unnerving it would be to have hot naked woman eye fucking me from stage. I almost had no idea what to do. That first night I just bought a drink at like 3 places, gave a fat tip a dancer in each place that I thought were hot, then yes, I high tailed it.

Anyways it's all well and good to read the forum (I have extensively) but there really is no way to substitute for experience. For me shyness is a big hurdle, even with a working girl LOL.

On day 2 I hit up Kokoro Massage, no reservation or specific girl in mind. Viewing the iPad there were 2 options I chose Apple and her pics seemed reasonably accurate. Mid 20's, natural Cs with some nice weight and hang to them, plenty of feminine curve in the hips and ass, a small bit of fat in the tummy. It's funny how once the girl is rubbing your balls, washing your ass, giving BBBJ and sliding her tits all over you, moaning in your ear, all the little imperfections seem to fade. Foreplay was a little brief for my tastes but overall a decent session for 2600 + 1000 tip. Nothing too extraordinary to report good or bad. I left very satisfied with the experience.

Later I wandered in and around the Soi Cowboy area. This time I went in to Baccarat, had a drink, kept staring and smiling off and on at this girl on staging being very flirty with me, then had her sit with me afterwards. I ended up buying her 2 drinks. For that I was able to enjoy what to me is my perfect 10 body (tiny, short, A or be cups, perfect little ass) with a fairly cute face bumping and grinding on me for maybe 20-30 minutes, grabbing my package endlessly, as I casually touched her tits, ass and pussy (no panties). I call that an extremely high value. That would require a serious output of cash in US. Anyways I'm a little torn about how it ended. She wanted me to take her to a short time hotel. I just had a funny feeling about her. A little emotionally unstable perhaps. I tried to negotiate what I wanted (DFK, BBFS) but she wasn't feeling it, and things sort of fizzled. Maybe I should have just gone with the flow. Or maybe my intuition was right. I moved on but enjoyed the experience.

I entered Shark and within 10 minutes had a bill 1000 Baht for my drink and 2 doubles for 2 girls I wasn't really interested in. 🙄 Frustrating because they were like octopi and just wouldn't release so I could pursue other interests. There was a girl on stage that looked like a TV star but with a Latina ass! #44. But I got a little rattled and annoyed. Just paid my bill and left. I need the right skills to shut down the ones I'm not interested in, and blockade their "oh! Hey this is my sister! Let's have her join us too!" moves.

All in all I am very impressed with the talent at the agogos in both locations. Yes there are plenty of meh girls, but plenty of options for my tastes. Only one place did I just walk out of because it was pretty bad (Rio). No I have not bar fined a girl yet.

Later in night more wandering, more arm grabs, where you go? I would not have bet it would happen, but a Kenyan girl tapped me on the shoulder and 3 minutes later we're in a tuk tuk to my place. Wasn't in my plans but she was just too hot to say no to. Perfect long slender body with a tasteful amount of extra booty. Probably the hottest woman I have ever had sex with. It was 4 AM. She wanted 3000, agreed to 2000, and I tipped 500. Agreed to kissing but not as GFE as I would have like. Regardless I railed her for quite a while in various positions and I think I wore her out. Covered BJ (after BBBJ for maybe 1 min) + CFS. Overall an excellent value probably best so far. BTW her name is Gift. I have contact info. She too seemed a little crazy. Despite her English she would make random comments that made no sense. Got kinda weird afterwards. But saw her the next night and we had a nice hug and chat.

Day 3 I tried out Thonglor One Massage [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/BS3zjxaytYZJaunQ6.[/URL] Chose 90 minute gel massage for 2400. A weird incident: an Asian gentleman was seated as I entered. After I paid suddenly I am rushed upstairs. As I head to the stairs I see that he is getting a line of girls. Whereas I was tucked in a room and assigned one. Kinda sucked. I determined to go with the flow though. Mai pen rai. Can't recall my girls name. She was kinda OK, but slim but a little pooch. Slightly cute. Then we washed up and she gave me a decidedly unerotic massage. Lots of deep tissue work, fine but not getting me aroused LOL. I was wondering if it was a bust. Foreplay again pretty brief but she was very responsive during intercourse. Felt very GFE at the point with lots of holding and moaning and body responsiveness. Tipped her 1000.

BTW haven't gotten any legit DFK yet. And every women so far has been sort of obsessed with semen (as in keeping an eye out for it) and condoms. And no kissing at all with massage girls.

That night I was feeling old, tired, hot, and spent. I wandered around, saw a girl on a corner that was a doppelganger for a painfully lost ex-girlfriend. Basically that cute Chinese fair skinned girl you see at the mall with baggy jeans, chunky sneakers, cute face, shoulder length hair. I walked by and said hey, how are you. She smiled but didn't engage. Ooof. I had some weird feelings going on. Walked them off, did more people watching, scoping girls, called it a night.

Today was my first overall disappointment. Based on some reviews (from elsewhere) and it being a 3 minute walk from my place, I went to 10 Nuru Massage [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/jwPy63hK319kHZYw9.[/URL] Supposedly a little pricier for girls that have that K-girl look. Chose from 7 options by iPad. Paid 3500 for 90 min nuru. Well, she was not the physique nor face of the girl in the pics. Very thick. A major turn off for me. In her favor, she had excellent BBBJ and rimming skills. She might have done it the whole time had I asked. During covered FS blood appeared. She wanted to continue, claiming she was just "hurt" from no sex in a while. Ummm. We went to more BBBJ then I ducked out. Just going to let it go and move on. Yes, I tipped her well. It's just a personal policy of mine. Keeps me humble I hope. It's not all about me, so to speak.

That brings me up to date. Oh yeah I dropped into Thermae at 930 ish tonight. Wow, whoever said there is low quality talent here, I am just very very confused. Had a smattering of smiles (I am 54, white, a little stocky, 6'2", average face). I felt tremendously shy. Like I was on stage. I do terrible at bars and clubs. There were some amazing looking women there. I really wonder though. Many had a high maintenance vibe (or I could be misreading). But there seemed to be some genuine, sweet ones too. I will hopefully work to courage to grab a kind mid 30's girl from there eventually. The 25 year old model types feel way out of my league.

A few observations:

These ladyboys fuck with your head. I start thinking. Well. Maybe? God she's so hot, right? It could be fun, right? Then finally I hit this threshold. No bro, it's a dude. Wtf.

Nana is really just the new Wonder of the World, nearly bringing me to tears with the beauty and magnificence of it all. I don't think there is anything like it anywhere else. Not even close.

After obsessing over Thai Friendly for months before I left, it feels terribly boring to just order room service when I can get out and see the woman, give a little hug, rub a butt, smell their sweat, scope options, hear the cat calls, etc ya know? I am all about the grit and hunt. So far I am fondest of the slutty little street girls.

P. S. Forgive typos. I am not going to edit this whole thing.

[QUOTE=VickyCooper;2999922]So I am just back from a short 3 day holiday in BKK...

They both knew I am from the sub continent because of my previous visits there yet they were asking me about my nationality. I tried dodging the question. I easily pass off as a Turk or Iranian but unfortunately my accent gives it away. The next morning another girl from Tulip who I visited in the past texts me asking me if I'm in BKK. She wasn't present this time when I was in the shop but she came to know of my visit. These women are all friends and gossip a lot!
![/QUOTE]Hi, thank you for your detailed report. I wanted to politely and diplomatically ask a question. Does your background (if you are non-Thai / non-Caucasian) affect how, or if you are given service at a particular establishment?

I remember in a previous post / reply, one gentleman from India, mentioned he had no issues at massage parlors and had a wonderful time at La Belle. I want to highlight that I am in no way trying to start any type of flaming thread. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2999947]Made contact via the Jaumo dating app, I later found out that she also has a profile on thaifriendly! She is 18, and will be 19 in July. I offered her 2k for S/T and she readily agreed.[/QUOTE]Did you check her ID?

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;2999950]I tend to ramble and get introspective. Fair warning.

Ok I've been in BKK 3-4 days. Here are my ups and downs as a first timer to Thailand.
...
P. S. Forgive typos. I am not going to edit this whole thing.[/QUOTE]Great report, thanks for writing!

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;2999950]A weird incident: an Asian gentleman was seated as I entered. After I paid suddenly I am rushed upstairs. As I head to the stairs I see that he is getting a line of girls. Whereas I was tucked in a room and assigned one. Kinda sucked. I determined to go with the flow though. Mai pen rai.[/QUOTE]Did you ask for a lineup and were denied? Or were you too shy / non-assertive to ask? Massage places that make you choose through iPad are already a red flag for me, the photos are almost always severely photoshopped. I'll call for a lineup instead, and if they refuse, I'll walk out. Unfortunately the mama-sans & owners in the popular areas of Bangkok know that farang tend to be pushovers when it comes to girl quality (particularly age & looks) so some will attempt to pawn their uglies off on you or try things they wouldn't with Asian clientele. Got to be assertive or at least learn to fake it.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;3000067]Did you ask for a lineup and were denied? Or were you too shy / non-assertive to ask? Massage places that make you choose through iPad are already a red flag for me, the photos are almost always severely photoshopped. I'll call for a lineup instead, and if they refuse, I'll walk out. Unfortunately the mama-sans & owners in the popular areas of Bangkok know that farang tend to be pushovers when it comes to girl quality (particularly age & looks) so some will attempt to pawn their uglies off on you or try things they wouldn't with Asian clientele. Got to be assertive or at least learn to fake it.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the staff mixed up Josh and the Asian guy, thinking he already had his lineup?!

I will be in Bangkok end of may for 24 hours only, staying on Sukhumvit 24. Wanted to know members recommendations for nearby places which are best bang for buck so to speak.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;3000067]Did you ask for a lineup and were denied? Or were you too shy / non-assertive to ask? Massage places that make you choose through iPad are already a red flag for me, the photos are almost always severely photoshopped. I'll call for a lineup instead, and if they refuse, I'll walk out. Unfortunately the mama-sans & owners in the popular areas of Bangkok know that farang tend to be pushovers when it comes to girl quality (particularly age & looks) so some will attempt to pawn their uglies off on you or try things they wouldn't with Asian clientele. Got to be assertive or at least learn to fake it.[/QUOTE]Thanks, having gone through these two MP experiences (1 w / o a line up, 1 out of 2 with iPad a bust), I don't think I am likely to let them happen again. I like the idea of demanding the line-up instead of the iPad. No, not shy with a business owner haha, just hot women. I think in general I have been a bit on sensory overload here so a few times things have just caught me by surprise. Things that definitely in the US I would have handled differently. I have straight up demanded my money back after a provider took off her clothes and I got a whiff of her stench from 5 feet away LOL. Also from MPs where 2 girls in a row were giving a lackluster massage. Just need to get me legs under me here I guess. I will return to Thermae nightly until I settle in.

If anyone can explain how they handle clinging gogo bar girls that you're not interested in, I would appreciate that. I am not a seasoned strip club pro.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000151]Thanks, having gone through these two MP experiences (1 w / o a line up, 1 out of 2 with iPad a bust), I don't think I am likely to let them happen again. I like the idea of demanding the line-up instead of the iPad.

If anyone can explain how they handle clinging gogo bar girls that you're not interested in, I would appreciate that. I am not a seasoned strip club pro.[/QUOTE]Yeah, ask for a line-up, and don't pay until after you've chosen a girl. A few shops refuse to give a line-up, but lets help keep those in the minority by walking out if they refuse.
Shops often also try to get newbies to pay before they've chosen a girl, which makes it more complicated to simply say "I come back another time" if you don't see anyone you like.

Go-go girls: just tell her clearly and politely "no, thank you". If she's still there after that, turn away from her, even move away a bit if she's sitting on a bench next to you, and ignore her completely. Look for other girls. Other girls will pick up with no problem that you are not interested in the girl sitting next to you and join you if you wink them down, by which point even the most obtuse of other girls will get the hint.

That said, if the girl is nice, just not attractive to you, there's no harm in offering her a drink just to be nice. I sometimes do that, and as long as you can handle things well (simply making it clear to her you're not interested in barfining her or anything like that, but you can talk and joke and even squeeze a boob or two for fun), there's no problem asking another girl you actually do want to bang to join you. They may even think you're a good-hearted sort of fellow for buying a drink for their more ugly sister, and like you more for it.


Also make sure you stay away from the arab's bar on soi cowboy: Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio and Spice Girls. Known rip-off bars where you have to be very careful, and who will get violent with you too.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3000034]Did you check her ID?[/QUOTE]Yes I did check it.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;3000168]Yes I did check it.[/QUOTE]Did you tell her you were going to post nude pictures of her all over the internet?

OK an update. Tonight (Monday) I noticed less action on the streets (as I had read) but certainly not dead. I was tempted by a few encounters but nothing that made me pull the trigger.

Walked into Geisha, was seated in front of the soapy girls (2 thumbs up for that situation for sure) and bought a drink. This time when randos or mamasans were approaching me to buy drinks etc, I said "Thanks, a little later. " That seemed to work. After about 15 minutes there was a stage rotation and a girl on stage with whom I had exchanged smiles a few times swooped in. Actually her and her friend.

I was not complaining. Both had very tight little bods and we're plenty cute. It was a little crazy how much they were grinding and grabbing me, making me touch their tits and pushing my hand into their panties. They were clearly a little drunk. I ended up getting them both 2 drinks. A while later the waitress too. It was a solid 30 minutes of this. Both gave me some light tongue action.

Other girls were trying to join the party LOL. I just laughed and said no just 2 for now! With a grin. They tried their darnedest, also grabbing at me, but finally gave up.

In the end I bar fined the first girl, named Ja. The whole thing certainly wasn't cheap but dang it was good. Beyond the bar experience, my time with her was excellent. She was very pliant. After a little weirdness (her wanting to shower alone in privacy. Okayyy) all was good. After the towels came off, immediate DFK. Very responsive. DATY was very fresh. Plenty of BBBJ then 69. Next she was on top of me, we're kissing, and I gently slide in bareback. She seemed into it. Not the slightest talk of condoms.

Finished on her belly although maybe she would have been OK with something else? It didn't come up and I just made a game time decision haha.

I really feel the alcohol is a key factor as I think I read ET mention once.

I definitely want to see her friend too (#302).

Price was 3000 to her, 1000 bar fine, 1200 for drinks, 500 tip for her friend, 500 tip to mamasan. I never felt overly pressured for the tip amounts, but made the choice myself. They were good people. I decided I was going to barfine this girl and decided to totally go with the flow about cost and tipping.

After the deed Ja and I connected our LINE accounts and I walked her to the elevator. 5 minutes later I realized I had forgotten to tip her. Messaged her. She was still downstairs. Came down and gave 1000.

Maybe if I were a BKK resident I would balk at what I paid. Compared to my current situation it's insane though. Having 2 hot strippers all over you (would have to be in VIP), drinks, lap dances x 30 min, taking one home OTC, BBBJ, BBFS. You are talking $1500-2000 in USA major cities these days no lie. So no regrets.

Once I have some Thermae success I will report on that as well.

Buying a drink for a girl you want no part 0 f?

Sounds like ET Strategy. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3000201]Did you tell her you were going to post nude pictures of her all over the internet?[/QUOTE]Of course. We each brought a lawyer to the meet and I had her sign a 15-page legal contract giving me permission to take and post her photos.

Next question.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000208]Maybe if I were a BKK resident I would balk at what I paid. Compared to my current situation it's insane though. Having 2 hot strippers all over you (would have to be in VIP), drinks, lap dances x 30 min, taking one home OTC, BBBJ, BBFS. You are talking $1500-2000 in USA major cities these days no lie. So no regrets.

Once I have some Thermae success I will report on that as well.[/QUOTE]Keep your USA sh*t in the US man, don't bring that in your bag to Asia.

You don't need to tip mamasan 500 baht, 50 or 100 baht should be enough (and only if your doing some repeats in the same place, with the same mamasan coming to you). Otherwise you're just throwing money away for nothing. Obviously the girl (and everybody else) sees what a big fat tip you gave to mama, so naturally she will expect one too, and next time everybody will come over you and request some tip. If you refuse later on, you'll be called a stinky man.

At joshallen. Been loving your reports. Seeing Bangkok thru the eyes of a newbie is so much fun. It drives me crazy how jaded some guys on this board are. Nana is indeed one of the Wonders of the World. And the camel toe parade at Billboard when they wear white bikinis on the carousel not to be missed. Great job just living the dream.

Got to say this is one of the best one liners in recent years. Literally LOL and yeah. 💯.

" just walk up and down the Nana Plaza street 3 times and you feel like a total, unstoppable Chad LOL. ".

PS Tip of the day. At Billboard sit at the revolving stage. U don’t have to make any eye contact unless u want to. U can just watch the parade of pussy and stripper heels go by. Sigh. It’s sooooo good.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;3000314]Of course. We each brought a lawyer to the meet and I had her sign a 15-page legal contract giving me permission to take and post her photos..[/QUOTE]The very first thing that entered my head when I saw your original post was 'that's bang out of order and totally inappropriate', it doesn't take much to show a little respect mate. What really surprises me is that the Mods allowed it and didn't take it down. But then again they are so inconsistent in their policies or asleep half the time.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000151]Thanks, having gone through these two MP experiences (1 w / o a line up, 1 out of 2 with iPad a bust), I don't think I am likely to let them happen again. I like the idea of demanding the line-up instead of the iPad. No, not shy with a business owner haha, just hot women. I think in general I have been a bit on sensory overload here so a few times things have just caught me by surprise. Things that definitely in the US I would have handled differently. I have straight up demanded my money back after a provider took off her clothes and I got a whiff of her stench from 5 feet away LOL. Also from MPs where 2 girls in a row were giving a lackluster massage. Just need to get me legs under me here I guess. I will return to Thermae nightly until I settle in.

If anyone can explain how they handle clinging gogo bar girls that you're not interested in, I would appreciate that. I am not a seasoned strip club pro.[/QUOTE]I think the easiest way if you are shy or rather say respectful and don't like saying no. Is to look at your wallet the morning after and count all the wasted money. You'll soon cop on and learn to say no firmly but nicely. Just think about your hard earned Dollars or Baht blowing in the wind every time a girl you don't fancy approaches you.

To minimize board clutter, let me say a collective thanks for all the feedback and help.

I have continued going to Thermae. 1st time I circled around once, couldn't find a spot to sit or lean so as to get off the merry go round, and left.

Last night I found a spot at the central island to lean against. A girl came up and chatted with me. I wasn't really interested, so I wished her well. Walked out again.

Tonight I sat at a table with these rather gruff, old Asian dudes with a spare seat. I looked around for a while and saw a girl I had seen the night before. Both times she gave me a very warm smile. After twiddling my thumbs for about 5 minutes I got up, walked over, and we exchanged names. Then I just asked if she was ready to get out of there. Yes, she said. She then said oh wait. 3000 1 hour? OK sure, and we took a tuk tuk to my Airbnb.

Dao was definitely a cutie. 26, short, very thick long hair, be cups, petite frame but a little junk in her trunk. Very soft features and endearing eyes. She was dressed like a college girl. Sports bra and baggy white cargo pants. Her whole body had the slightest extra layer of fat all over, making her very squeezable, but certainly not fat or even plump.

The deed itself did not disappoint. More kissing and DFK would have made it better, but not a deal breaker. She wasn't up for no condom. But overall a good session. She was responsive in a non-fake sort of way. Who knows? Nothing major to report except she *too* was more than fine with DATY / A w / FIV / A haha. It's sort of a thing I can't resist if the pussy looks fresh.

Yes I tipped her.

Hoping I can build up to some of these girls that basically look like they could be in a K drama or some fashion magazine. I am still really scratching my head about people claiming low talent levels at Thermae. I guess I am just lucky that many of these women are my "ideal type". I am strongly considering an older woman at one point just to test those waters too.

On another note, I later hit up Rainbow 4 and 5. Could have been my vibe perhaps, but it was just OK. Plenty of hot girls but felt like very few showed signs of interest. These places were filled with 90% Asian clientele I'd say. Many girls didn't seem to want to be there. And not really a wild scene. A few lap dances here and there. Not a bawdy, raucous affair 😐. I was very interested in some of these girls though. The absolute hottest ones couldn't be bothered it seemed. That was their vibe. A few showed some chemistry though. I will try again.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3000325]Keep your USA sh*t in the US man, don't bring that in your bag to Asia.

You don't need to tip mamasan 500 baht, 50 or 100 baht should be enough (and only if your doing some repeats in the same place, with the same mamasan coming to you). Otherwise you're just throwing money away for nothing. Obviously the girl (and everybody else) sees what a big fat tip you gave to mama, so naturally she will expect one too, and next time everybody will come over you and request some tip. If you refuse later on, you'll be called a stinky man.[/QUOTE]Yup, it doesn't bring you respect or better service, it just makes you an easy mark. And yes, I'm and American but after a couple of decades here I'm well acquainted with local tipping culture, and yes there is a local tipping culture but they are small tips. I've never tipped a BG over the agreed price or tipped at any oily. Soapies, a different story where a few hundred baht is what the locals do. Want to tip the papasan or the mamasan? 20 Baht is fine. Local restaurants, 20 baht to the wait staff in parking attendant is much appreciated.

I'll never forget one of my first visits to Phnom Penh in 2000. On the first night I saw a dude that I had met in Bangkok 6 months before and he literally grabbed me and said, this is what you pay, not more, are you all ruin it for the rest of us. Well, for the most part in many venues in Bangkok it has been ruined for the rest of us. Oilies and online none withstanding. And when I talk about online I mean the local pond not the Foreigner pond.

Another poster here referred to long-term expats is jaded. Well, I'll tell you when ST was 500-1 k, BF was 500, beer was 80 Baht and LDs were 100 with an exchange rate of 45 to 1, and there were way more gals and way fewer punters then the pressure for good service was much higher. During my first few years here it was pretty much par for the course that while you were taking a shower she pulled your clothes and straighten your room, and if she took a shower before you your toothbrush would already be ready for you in the bathroom. It was a sales pitch. The majority of gals then didn't want sponsors, they wanted long-term partners. Now with the insane money some of these gals make the thought of a long-term relationship doesn't enter their mind until they're close to or past their sell-by date.

Yes, I'm sure for a newbie who has been trapped in the west, especially america, with very few prospects, Bangkok is wonderful now, but you can't expect those of us who experienced what it was like a quarter of a century ago to celebrate what we have now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3000495]Yup, it doesn't bring you respect or better service, it just makes you an easy mark. And yes, I'm and American but after a couple of decades here I'm well acquainted with local tipping culture, and yes there is a local tipping culture but they are small tips. I've never tipped a BG over the agreed price or tipped at any oily. Soapies, a different story where a few hundred baht is what the locals do. Want to tip the papasan or the mamasan? 20 Baht is fine. Local restaurants, 20 baht to the wait staff in parking attendant is much appreciated.

I'll never forget one of my first visits to Phnom Penh in 2000. On the first night I saw a dude that I had met in Bangkok 6 months before and he literally grabbed me and said, this is what you pay, not more, are you all ruin it for the rest of us. Well, for the most part in many venues in Bangkok it has been ruined for the rest of us. Oilies and online none withstanding. And when I talk about online I mean the local pond not the Foreigner pond.

Another poster here referred to long-term expats is jaded. Well, I'll tell you when ST was 500-1 k, BF was 500, beer was 80 Baht and LDs were 100 with an exchange rate of 45 to 1, and there were way more gals and way fewer punters then the pressure for good service was much higher. During my first few years here it was pretty much par for the course that while you were taking a shower she pulled your clothes and straighten your room, and if she took a shower before you your toothbrush would already be ready for you in the bathroom. It was a sales pitch. The majority of gals then didn't want sponsors, they wanted long-term partners. Now with the insane money some of these gals make the thought of a long-term relationship doesn't enter their mind until they're close to or past their sell-by date.

Yes, I'm sure for a newbie who has been trapped in the west, especially america, with very few prospects, Bangkok is wonderful now, but you can't expect those of us who experienced what it was like a quarter of a century ago to celebrate what we have now.[/QUOTE]Thank god real wisdom is returning here. Thanks Goat.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2999947]Made contact via the Jaumo dating app, I later found out that she also has a profile on thaifriendly! She is 18, and will be 19 in July. I offered her 2k for S/T and she readily agreed.[/QUOTE]Credit is due to the poster for providing a pictorial report that is too lacking in the Thailand forums (in my opinion). Poster named where he found her, price, and where anybody interested might be able to arrange a session. Even though the poster went to the trouble to obscure possible identifying artifacts, all were able to get a good idea of what he scored.

Sam.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000468][b]Thermae success[/b]
To minimize board clutter, let me say a collective thanks for all the feedback and help.

I have continued going to Thermae. 1st time I circled around once, couldn't find a spot to sit or lean so as to get off the merry go round, and left.

Last night I found a spot at the central island to lean against. A girl came up and chatted with me. I wasn't really interested, so I wished her well. Walked out again.

Tonight I sat at a table with these rather gruff, old Asian dudes with a spare seat. I looked around for a while and saw a girl I had seen the night before. Both times she gave me a very warm smile. After twiddling my thumbs for about 5 minutes I got up, walked over, and we exchanged names. Then I just asked if she was ready to get out of there. Yes, she said. She then said oh wait. 3000 1 hour? OK sure, and we took a tuk tuk to my Airbnb.

Dao was definitely a cutie. 26, short, very thick long hair, be cups, petite frame but a little junk in her trunk. Very soft features and endearing eyes. She was dressed like a college girl. Sports bra and baggy white cargo pants. Her whole body had the slightest extra layer of fat all over, making her very squeezable, but certainly not fat or even plump.

The deed itself did not disappoint. More kissing and DFK would have made it better, but not a deal breaker. She wasn't up for no condom. But overall a good session. She was responsive in a non-fake sort of way. Who knows? Nothing major to report except she *too* was more than fine with DATY / A w / FIV / A haha. It's sort of a thing I can't resist if the pussy looks fresh.

Yes I tipped her.

Hoping I can build up to some of these girls that basically look like they could be in a K drama or some fashion magazine. I am still really scratching my head about people claiming low talent levels at Thermae. I guess I am just lucky that many of these women are my "ideal type". I am strongly considering an older woman at one point just to test those waters too.

On another note, I later hit up Rainbow 4 and 5. Could have been my vibe perhaps, but it was just OK. Plenty of hot girls but felt like very few showed signs of interest. These places were filled with 90% Asian clientele I'd say. Many girls didn't seem to want to be there. And not really a wild scene. A few lap dances here and there. Not a bawdy, raucous affair 😐. I was very interested in some of these girls though. The absolute hottest ones couldn't be bothered it seemed. That was their vibe. A few showed some chemistry though. I will try again.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about the general quality of the Freelancers in Thermae. At least based on physical appearance only and, specifically, how they look fully clothed. If there is a better looking collection of 2,500 - 4,000 baht FLs to be found in one room somewhere else in Bangkok I have yet to find it and would like to hear about it. Is it possible that there were few or no notably attractive girls between 8:15 pm and 8:43 pm on June 14,2022 or some such thing, sure, that is possible. But on any night there are always plenty of girls in Thermae that 99% of heterosexual males on the planet would fuck with gusto and want to fuck with gusto in a nanosecond if given the chance.

But there are major hurdles to getting the right vibe and encouragement to go for it in Thermae. Paramount to someone like me being which if ANY of the good looking girls in this room will be agreeable to BBFSCIP with me in my room for a reasonable amount of money. Let's say less than 10,000 baht for a ST.

LOL. And, yeah, I have been refused for that kind of Real Sex for almost that much baht with girls from that place after "going with the flow" and foolishly not getting an upfront agreement for it at the bar or to otherwise thank them for their time and moving on to another girl or, better, another venue.

The ongoing hurdle in Thermae for that purpose or for anything other than to ask "How Much, For How Long and For How Many Pops", the answers to none of which are factors I give a damn about, is that Thermae is the absolute worst environment in which to conduct a simple 3 question and answer negotiation for anything other than those three price, time and number of pops questions.

But you seem to be happy and capable of fucking and finishing wearing a condom. I envy that. As long as that is the case Thailand in general and Thermae in particular truly is a "sexual paradise". Other than 2-3 fringe issues like Anal and 3-Somes, getting a notably good looking young girl to agree to BBFSCIP and / or BBBJCIM+Swallow are the only P4 P challenges in all of Thailand.

Unless you happen to be a truly grusome specimen with horrific heigiene problems or the girl is truly obsessed with only accepting customers from an ethnic group that you are not from, I don't think any girl in Thermae or anywhere else in Thailand would balk at going with you for a ST of basic covered FS at whatever the going rate is in that particular venue.

I can't imagine that being any challenge at all. It sure has never seemed that way to me. As an almost 72 year old farang, my impression has always been that virtually every girl in Thermae and in the top gogo bars would be perfectly fine with going with me for a session IF the only things I cared about were "How Much, For How Long and For How Many Pops. ".

Sadly, none of the answers to those questions matter one whit to me. Only the answers to 2-3 other questions matter to me. And a shoulder-to-shoulder Thermae line up is probably the worst place in Thailand to ask any one of those 2-3 questions and expect a positive response. For now.

Well at 430 AM walking around, the lizard brain starts thinking, hmmm maybe I do have one more shot in me?

I tried to show some street girls what I wanted on Google translate: shower together, 1 HR massage, body to body, BJ without condom.

One girl said no BJ without condom. Another, who literally 10 minutes earlier was trying to flag me down to sit for a drink, got strangely standoff-ish. She had excellent English. Suddenly she didn't like my vibe, thought I was a scammer, and quoted 300 USD.

Well, that's not working.

Across from Nana it was very sparse but one Vietnamese girl (Dee) caught my eye. I just said, Hi, 1 HR massage? And things clicked from there.

There are a few things puzzling me:

1 - This is I believe the third girl who agreed to kissing beforehand but in the room it was very minimal though. Somehow I have not found the right screening for this.

2 - Another theme: any precum and OK! Time for the condom! Girls that have agreed to condom no BJ abort when there is a * * *SEMEN SIGHTING* * *! Red alert! The tip is a little wet. Condom! Again, I am not sure how to handle this.

3 - These freelance girls say 1 HR which seems to mean after you are banging them for 15 minutes they start telling you to cum. This is kind of a turn off and I'm not sure if others have dealt with this somehow?

But regardless, even with these annoyances, having sex with a cute 25 year old Vietnamese girl was a good thing.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000549]Well at 430 AM walking around, the lizard brain starts thinking, hmmm maybe I do have one more shot in me?

I tried to show some street girls what I wanted on Google translate: shower together, 1 HR massage, body to body, BJ without condom.

One girl said no BJ without condom. Another, who literally 10 minutes earlier was trying to flag me down to sit for a drink, got strangely standoff-ish. She had excellent English. Suddenly she didn't like my vibe, thought I was a scammer, and quoted 300 USD.

Well, that's not working.

Across from Nana it was very sparse but one Vietnamese girl (Dee) caught my eye. I just said, Hi, 1 HR massage? And things clicked from there.

There are a few things puzzling me:

1 - This is I believe the third girl who agreed to kissing beforehand but in the room it was very minimal though. Somehow I have not found the right screening for this.

2 - Another theme: any precum and OK! Time for the condom! Girls that have agreed to condom no BJ abort when there is a * * *SEMEN SIGHTING* * *! Red alert! The tip is a little wet. Condom! Again, I am not sure how to handle this.

3 - These freelance girls say 1 HR which seems to mean after you are banging them for 15 minutes they start telling you to cum. This is kind of a turn off and I'm not sure if others have dealt with this somehow?

But regardless, even with these annoyances, having sex with a cute 25 year old Vietnamese girl was a good thing.[/QUOTE]Maybe you need to tip more?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3000495]Yup, it doesn't bring you respect or better service, it just makes you an easy mark. And yes, I'm and American but after a couple of decades here I'm well acquainted with local tipping culture, and yes there is a local tipping culture but they are small tips. I've never tipped a BG over the agreed price or tipped at any oily. Soapies, a different story where a few hundred baht is what the locals do. Want to tip the papasan or the mamasan? 20 Baht is fine. Local restaurants, 20 baht to the wait staff in parking attendant is much appreciated.

I'll never forget one of my first visits to Phnom Penh in 2000. On the first night I saw a dude that I had met in Bangkok 6 months before and he literally grabbed me and said, this is what you pay, not more, are you all ruin it for the rest of us. Well, for the most part in many venues in Bangkok it has been ruined for the rest of us. Oilies and online none withstanding. And when I talk about online I mean the local pond not the Foreigner pond.
[/QUOTE]Good luck you met that guy, and even better you were intelligent enough to take the advice.
Look at some of the people here now? Even getting their panties in a wad instead of taking some good advice from the people who've been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Me-me-me-me.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3000577]Maybe you need to tip more?[/QUOTE]Ok yeah that was a good one. 😅.

Not sure how this tipping thing got going. I thought I just briefly mentioned it. Anyways just as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so too will some monger board members get riled up about prices paid, tips, etc. Quite certain that they are "right" and how they view things can be applied to others universally.

That's fine. To be honest I tip a lot in most circumstances, not just mongering. When I think about the talents and opportunities I have been blessed with, the things beyond my control that had to happen for my success, the serrendipities and strange coincidences, I just know it was all an unexplainable gift. The abundance leaves me humbled and spurs a desire to share. I know just like everything in life, it could be zapped away in an instant. Not really that complicated.

Anyways prices and tipping are super boring to me. The least concern I have.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000549]
2 - Another theme: any precum and OK! Time for the condom! Girls that have agreed to condom no BJ abort when there is a * * *SEMEN SIGHTING* * *! Red alert! The tip is a little wet. Condom! Again, I am not sure how to handle this.
.[/QUOTE]The problem is a girl agreeing to BBBJ doesn't usually mean CIM. You start leaking jizz and she's going to assume you're about to explode in her mouth or even that you're orgasming right now. So best to specify CIM beforehand. Most girls (at least the young pretty ones) will refuse but there's still a good number who will do it.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000590]Ok yeah that was a good one. 😅.

Not sure how this tipping thing got going. I thought I just briefly mentioned it. Anyways just as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so too will some monger board members get riled up about prices paid, tips, etc. Quite certain that they are "right" and how they view things can be applied to others universally.

That's fine. To be honest I tip a lot in most circumstances, not just mongering. When I think about the talents and opportunities I have been blessed with, the things beyond my control that had to happen for my success, the serrendipities and strange coincidences, I just know it was all an unexplainable gift. The abundance leaves me humbled and spurs a desire to share. I know just like everything in life, it could be zapped away in an instant. Not really that complicated.

Anyways prices and tipping are super boring to me. The least concern I have.[/QUOTE]Good for you. At the same time it sounds like you while you are amazed at how cheap the pussy in Thailand is, compared to "home", you don't reflect on the reason the pussy is that cheap is because not everyone overflows the girls with tips, in addition to paying the already exaggerated tourist prices most of us are paying for the same, or in most cases, inferior, pussy.

Though I agree, it's rather boring, and people are of course free to spend their money however they want. Yet ...

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3000495] Yes, I'm sure for a newbie who has been trapped in the west, especially america, with very few prospects, Bangkok is wonderful now, but you can't expect those of us who experienced what it was like a quarter of a century ago to celebrate what we have now.[/QUOTE]This accurately states why some of us here refer to the past as being much better. You had to be there to understand. But I would agree with Explorer's comment that things haven't changed that much in the past ten years.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000590]Ok yeah that was a good one. 😅.

Not sure how this tipping thing got going. I thought I just briefly mentioned it. Anyways just as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so too will some monger board members get riled up about prices paid, tips, etc. Quite certain that they are "right" and how they view things can be applied to others universally.

That's fine. To be honest I tip a lot in most circumstances, not just mongering. When I think about the talents and opportunities I have been blessed with, the things beyond my control that had to happen for my success, the serrendipities and strange coincidences, I just know it was all an unexplainable gift. The abundance leaves me humbled and spurs a desire to share..[/QUOTE]I am not a member of the price police and I totally get the idea of giving more just to pass it forward after we have been given much.

But as an ISG member hoping to learn something of a P4P nature from field reports here, my question is; did the generous tipping to mamasans, the servers, the staff, giving extra money beyond the amount agreed upon to the girl improve upon the P4P experience for you in a subsequent visit to the venue or the next session with a girl?

That is where I can learn something from your reporting of it. Otherwise, I don't care how much anyone pays for their fun. But can you share whether your or, by extension, would my doing it improve my chances of getting more and better sex next time.

Again, not to say there isn't value in doing for others without expecting anything in return. I certainly get that.

But in terms of what this website is all about, what can I learn from it?

For example, without going back and rereading or quoting specific passages, maybe just in general; you wanted BBFSCIP with a girl. She refused to comply or rebuffed your attempt. Let's say. But then you gave her a generous tip after the session.

Did you return for a second session with that girl? If so, did she then agree or even lead the way to having BBFSCIP with you, already knowing full well that is what you want and having been given a generous amount of extra baht the time before?

Same with handing out generous tips to mamasans and staff at a bar. If or when you returned to that bar was the mamasan proactively helpful in wanting to know what you want a girl of your choice in her bar to do for you and putting in some effort to arrange it for you? You know, like a generously tipped mamasan ought to be doing?

Those are the things I want to know here on this site when it comes to the subject of tipping. And especially generous tipping.

If reports are that tipping generously results in getting the DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP that I certainly want in a session with an attractive girl then I have learned from your FR to consider doing more of it.

However, if generous tipping does not move mamasans to put in some effort to assure the girl of your choice in that bar next time does everything you want without hassle and the girl you took before and tipped generously makes no effort to provide everything you want if or when you repeat with her, then I might conclude generous tipping even though you or let's say I won't get what I want the next time around is simply paying everyone extra baht NOT to provide what I want in the deal. They apparently concluded what they DIDN'T do for you was great and worth a bonus tip. Then they'll simply continue NOT doing it for you and expecting to be rewarded for NOT doing it. LOL.

What happens when you do tip generously and repeat a bar or a particular girl? Does anyone make a greater effort to make sure you get everything you want and the way you want it?

As a leaning experience for the rest of us, that is.

OK I've reflected on this a bit more. There is some nuance here.

Back home I am definitely a bit stingier. If service sucks I will reflect that in a lack of tip, or a minimal tip. I probably tip a little more than some but not crazy. But in certain cases I show my appreciation. I was in NYC a few months ago. Went to a KAMP randomly and unannounced. Provider was probably one of the best I've ever had as far as service, never mentioned a condom and just said go for it when I told her I was about to cum. (She was the one that opened my world to BBFSCIP as being perfectly natural and human. Not something to be terrified of.) Not a single discussion of price before all this. Nothing is worse then getting all worked up then having to hit the brakes to negotiate mid-session. CAMP ladies love to pull that shit a lot and it is super annoying. Anyways when I am able to just relax, go with the flow, get generous, friendly service, and not worry about negotiating, I reward those girls big time.

Switching gears, I do have to admit I seem to tip a lot more in less developed countries. I know Thailand isn't exactly third world, but I guess I just feel the strength of the dollar here. Mexico too. It just feels like such a small thing to do to give a gift. I am pretty doubtful that tippers are disturbing the economics of mongering in Thailand. There are a ton of factors involved, the elephant in the room being the monetary inflationary transnational regime we are all living under. Somehow I suspect creating trillions of dollars, yuan, yen, euros, won, etc out of thin air is probably more influential.

I am generally a one and done guy so I can't speak to the effects on follow up visits. It has never run through my mind to tip for some future benefit.

Anyways, maybe the under-the-spell-of-Bangkok phase is running its course. Today I went to 101 Premier Massage [URL]https://101premiermassage.com/[/URL] without any prior research, just wandering. I selected Yaya, a MILF with a tight little bod and good smile. But OMG it was bad. Caught her doing the 1 handed half-assed massage thing while on her cellphone. It was just a lackluster massage for about an hour then a bizarre combination of jack hammering, oral that only involved the tip, and intermittent giggles and fake orgasm sounds. I literally was having a hard time staying aroused, so I just said thanks and ended the session. No tip! Just thanks, bow, goodbye.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3000637]I am not a member of the price police and I totally get the idea of giving more just to pass it forward after we have been given much.

But as an ISG member hoping to learn something of a P4P nature from field reports here, my question is; did the generous tipping to mamasans, the servers, the staff, giving extra money beyond the amount agreed upon to the girl improve upon the P4P experience for you in a subsequent visit to the venue or the next session with a girl?

That is where I can learn something from your reporting of it. Otherwise, I don't care how much anyone pays for their fun. But can you share whether your or, by extension, would my doing it improve my chances of getting more and better sex next time..[/QUOTE]I definitely think strategic (for want of a better word) tipping does reap rewards. I'll admit even if I get great service off a girl in a shop or bar I rarely would seek the same girl out again, so I can't answer your specific question in detail. I enjoy the hunt of fresh pussy and a different experience even if it turns out underwhelming, it's always a punt!

But for example, tipping well to bar staff in Thermae, resulted in me being chaperoned on arrival to the top of the queue in subsequent nights. A tip to a mamasan resulted in her sitting down with me a few days later, advising me on which girl was best for this, best for that, asking me my preferences etc. I wasn't disappointed with the girl she chose for me, I wouldn't have picked her by just looking at her without the advice. And a final example, a good tip to night staff in my hotel was worth it's weight in gold, they couldn't do enough for me during my stay during the night when I'd be in and out with girls or having callers from TF etc.

I'm with Josh, if I get a good service off a girl, I'll give a good tip as a small gesture, it small change in Western society but can mean feeding their family in Thailand. I had part-timers from TF ask for no money, gave them 1,500 baht going home after a wonderful fuck session, the girl literally started crying with joy. Sure I would have paid double that for an average fuck for half the time out of thermae.

Sunday night after arriving in Bangkok from a long haul flight I went out along Sukhumvit from Nana end eastwards looking for a girl. I vaguely remember talking to someone and I have this barely a memory in my head of thinking 'why am I not taking her to my hotel? But this could be a false memory. Anyway next thing I remember coming too outside sat down somewhere about 4 am. I don't even remember where. It took me about 2 hours to get back to my hotel at 6 am though I don't think I walked that far. But I did sit drinking a cold drink from an all night shop for about an hour after I came to. Anyway what is strange and good is I had still had my phone, both my cards (nothing debited) but about 4000 baht missing from my wallet though about 200 were left in it. I can make little sense of the whole. I am just counting my blessings. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3000637]But as an ISG member hoping to learn something of a P4P nature from field reports here, my question is; did the generous tipping to mamasans, the servers, the staff, giving extra money beyond the amount agreed upon to the girl improve upon the P4P experience for you in a subsequent visit to the venue or the next session with a girl?
[/QUOTE]Based on my personal experience, the answer is ABSOLUTELY YES! The reason I do it in Nana Plaza is to get better service tomorrow, the concept works. As I reported a couple days ago, I have one Nana Plaza mamasan who knows me well and knows exactly what I like. She brings recommended girls to me for my review and those girls are already prescreened for BBFSCIP. A year ago I had two Nana Plaza mamasans who treated me like this, now I only have one. I'm 100% sure that I get special treatment because of my history of tips, not because of my movie star good looks, sexy voice, 6-pack abs, conversation skills, nor my perfect fashion sense. It's not just great treatment in the bar, it is better treatment from the girl in the room.

If I walk into the bar next door, I am nobody. I start from scratch.

I expect nothing in return when I tip nice taxi drivers and restaurant staff. But those people help me enjoy life and I'm happy to make their lives a little better.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000549]Well at 430 AM walking around, the lizard brain starts thinking, hmmm maybe I do have one more shot in me?

I tried to show some street girls what I wanted on Google translate: shower together, 1 HR massage, body to body, BJ without condom.

One girl said no BJ without condom. Another, who literally 10 minutes earlier was trying to flag me down to sit for a drink, got strangely standoff-ish. She had excellent English. Suddenly she didn't like my vibe, thought I was a scammer, and quoted 300 USD.

Well, that's not working.

Across from Nana it was very sparse but one Vietnamese girl (Dee) caught my eye. I just said, Hi, 1 HR massage? And things clicked from there.

There are a few things puzzling me:

1 - This is I believe the third girl who agreed to kissing beforehand but in the room it was very minimal though. Somehow I have not found the right screening for this.

2 - Another theme: any precum and OK! Time for the condom! Girls that have agreed to condom no BJ abort when there is a * * *SEMEN SIGHTING* * *! Red alert! The tip is a little wet. Condom! Again, I am not sure how to handle this.

3 - These freelance girls say 1 HR which seems to mean after you are banging them for 15 minutes they start telling you to cum. This is kind of a turn off and I'm not sure if others have dealt with this somehow?

But regardless, even with these annoyances, having sex with a cute 25 year old Vietnamese girl was a good thing.[/QUOTE]The answer to several of your questions is because most of the punters except that type of behavior. 25 years ago I was about 75% freelance 25% bar. The gals I took from Thermae, Nana Disco, and the street for the most part all performed pretty well. Rarely had a problem with kissing and never had a problem with tissue wiping when precum appeared or a rush to put on a condom. And on the rare occasion when that nonsense started, I would simply get up and start to put on my clothes. Gal would ask me what was wrong, and I would tell her straight up in Thai that I expected her to do me like I was a boyfriend or she was in a "sex movie. " I would also stress to her that I did not want her to do anything she was uncomfortable with and that if she was uncomfortable with what I wanted to do we would stop right now and I would pay her less than the agreed upon price. Never had any type of anger or blow out in these situations because I was stressing that I did not want her to do anything she did not want to do, but in turn when she was doing was not up to my standards.

And stated above, this was a very rare occurrence my first seven or so years here. But towards the late 00's it became more common and at that point I switched to 100% PSE oilies and was very fortunate to be able to hit the golden days of Tulip, Mango, SW, and Cherry. Miguel's working in those places back then were far better looking than the gals working there now and all pure filth. Sometimes you would look down and you couldn't believe what you were doing with a girl that good looking. Towards the mid 10's a plethora of oily places began to open and competition for good looking talent among the mama sons became very intense, so intense that many shops dropped performance standards significantly in order to attract better looking girls to their shop. And guess what? It worked. Talent levels at the PSE places began to drop. And have continued to drop to this day. The combination of looks and incredible performance which was so readily available is now really a unicorn.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3000587]Good luck you met that guy, and even better you were intelligent enough to take the advice.
Look at some of the people here now? Even getting their panties in a wad instead of taking some good advice from the people who've been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Me-me-me-me.[/QUOTE]There has been a lot of mental illness demonstrated here since Covid.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3000714]Based on my personal experience, the answer is ABSOLUTELY YES! The reason I do it in Nana Plaza is to get better service tomorrow, the concept works. As I reported a couple days ago, I have one Nana Plaza mamasan who knows me well and knows exactly what I like. She brings recommended girls to me for my review and those girls are already prescreened for BBFSCIP. A year ago I had two Nana Plaza mamasans who treated me like this, now I only have one. I'm 100% sure that I get special treatment because of my history of tips, not because of my movie star good looks, sexy voice, 6-pack abs, conversation skills, nor my perfect fashion sense. It's not just great treatment in the bar, it is better treatment from the girl in the room.

If I walk into the bar next door, I am nobody. I start from scratch.

I expect nothing in return when I tip nice taxi drivers and restaurant staff. But those people help me enjoy life and I'm happy to make their lives a little better.[/QUOTE]I tip in Thermae, Billboard and Rainbow and the downstairs Beer garden. I don't tip girls as a matter of course.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3000682]I definitely think strategic (for want of a better word) tipping does reap rewards. I'll admit even if I get great service off a girl in a shop or bar I rarely would seek the same girl out again, so I can't answer your specific question in detail. I enjoy the hunt of fresh pussy and a different experience even if it turns out underwhelming, it's always a punt!

But for example, tipping well to bar staff in Thermae, resulted in me being chaperoned on arrival to the top of the queue in subsequent nights. A tip to a mamasan resulted in her sitting down with me a few days later, advising me on which girl was best for this, best for that, asking me my preferences etc. I wasn't disappointed with the girl she chose for me, I wouldn't have picked her by just looking at her without the advice. And a final example, a good tip to night staff in my hotel was worth it's weight in gold, they couldn't do enough for me during my stay during the night when I'd be in and out with girls or having callers from TF etc.

I'm with Josh, if I get a good service off a girl, I'll give a good tip as a small gesture, it small change in Western society but can mean feeding their family in Thailand. I had part-timers from TF ask for no money, gave them 1,500 baht going home after a wonderful fuck session, the girl literally started crying with joy. Sure I would have paid double that for an average fuck for half the time out of thermae.[/QUOTE]Strategic Tipping is not only a great term for it but employing it is also great for you, great for the market, great for improving Value For Money in the market, great for the girls who honestly want to make us happy and earn more money for it, great for our fellow punters, great for the next customer who chooses a girl who does get generously rewarded for providing what her customers want and if I happen to be her next customer it is great for me! LOL.

I see that is also the point of HorseTrader's post about rewarding mamasans for vetting the girls in their lineup at gogo bars for the BBFSCIP he wants and therefore he is happy to pay for it and tip well all around.

I do the same with mamasans in gogo bars. Try it, guys. In every bar with a mamasan you go to. Helping the customers connect with the girls in their lineup who would be willing and eager to deliver what that customer wants is or sure as hell should be the job of the mamasan, the reason they work there as mamasans instead of simply being a much older and fatter LadyDrink hustler in street clothes.

If they balk at doing their job in that way or hand you some blithering nonsense for not earning their pay with "I don't know. Up to the girl", ignore them, never tip them and, better yet, just walk out and go to another bar where a mamasan earns her pay. Duh. Of course it is "up to the girl", mama. We all know that. The concept is the mamasan is supposed to know which of her girls are known to provide one thing or another and which ones are known to do very little. And the mamasans will know these things about their girls.

And the added value of going about it this way through a mamasan who might have only been tipped 100-200 baht for the effort is the testimonial from a mamasan to her girls that "this is a good customer, he is not a scammer, he will pay you what he agrees to pay you and give you a tip if you make him happy so make him happy" carries much, much, much more weight coming from their mamasan than anything you as a foreign customer merely hoping you will be treated well in the room could ever carry with a hundred assurances over a couple of Lady Drinks.

A fellow punter posts a FR about a provider at a well known Happy Ending Massage Shop happily delivering the worst service he has ever experienced as though most of her previous customers had been handing her an extra 500-1000 baht tip for that kind of treatment. Which they probably had been doing just out of habit without really giving much thought to how that habitual behavior lowers the quality and value of a P4 P destination over time.

Walked into Thermae last night and chatted with two women that had weird energy. Then met Bee. I confessed I was shy and she said "me too!" I then asked if she wanted to go be shy together and that was that. Very feminine and it was nice how she gently held my arm the whole walk back to my place. She was a little older (38) but looked early 30's to me.

It was a decent encounter. Probably BBBJ was the best part. Required condom for sex. I've decided to stop trying to negotiate this stuff on this trip and just go with the flow. Probably should get some of those Japanese condoms though (forget their name). It was good but I wasn't really moved to ask for contact info. Paid 3000.

Then today I checked Thai Friendly.

A profile just read "Massage". I pinged her and she was at my place in 1 HR. Quoted 2 HR "massage + BJ + sex" for 3000 baht. It was the best sex so far. She has a nerdy face, not the prettiest girl but full lips, super long hair and great attitude. She works locally in a legit MP. Very working class vibe and not high maintenance attitude. Slightly thick and nice round ass. Nice shape and curves, not overweight.

Started with basic oil massage and a good amount of teasing. Then flipped, more massage then pretty darn good BBBJ, 90% there with DT. Very sloppy and wet and didn't rush things. She would gag now and then and go back for more like a trooper. Asked if I could massage her and she was good with it. She had a very fertile scent.

Anyways long story short earlier on she asked, you have condom? But after the massage and a little foreplay I said should I get the condom?. . . Yes. I said I don't really need it though. . . She says. . . OK. Bingo! Good session. She seemed to let go and was moving for her, not me. *THATS* what I am looking for. We definitely clicked. Plenty of DFK. Asked if I could CIP but she asked me to pull out. OK, no prob. Still, best so far.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3000749]And on the rare occasion when that nonsense started, I would simply get up and start to put on my clothes. Gal would ask me what was wrong, and I would tell her straight up in Thai that I expected her to do me like I was a boyfriend or she was in a "sex movie. " I would also stress to her that I did not want her to do anything she was uncomfortable with and that if she was uncomfortable with what I wanted to do we would stop right now and I would pay her less than the agreed upon price.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, and this does tend to be my energy if there are shenanigans back home. I will play hardball. I guess here there is a sense of limited time and opportunity so settling a bit. I might give this a try once to see how it goes. It does really piss me off that they agree then back out, but as a stranger in a strange land, I guess I am feeling a little less assertive.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000831]Thanks for this, and this does tend to be my energy if there are shenanigans back home. I will play hardball. I guess here there is a sense of limited time and opportunity so settling a bit. I might give this a try once to see how it goes. It does really piss me off that they agree then back out, but as a stranger in a strange land, I guess I am feeling a little less assertive.[/QUOTE]Just keep your cool, smile, and emphasize that you don't want her to do anything that she doesn't want to do, but it's not what was agreed upon and you are not satisfied. But those clothes on leave a few hundred baht and head out.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;3000314]Of course. We each brought a lawyer to the meet and I had her sign a 15-page legal contract giving me permission to take and post her photos.

Next question.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PgReal;3000395]The very first thing that entered my head when I saw your original post was 'that's bang out of order and totally inappropriate', it doesn't take much to show a little respect mate. What really surprises me is that the Mods allowed it and didn't take it down. But then again they are so inconsistent in their policies or asleep half the time.[/QUOTE]You mention my original post; are you referring to the one I made on 28 April in which I posted some pics? You think the mods should have taken it down?

I was then asked two follow-up questions and I replied to them (you quoted my second reply). You think the mods should have taken my replies down?

You suggest that I am not showing respect. Respect to whom? And in what way am I not showing respect?

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You suggest that I am not showing respect. Respect to whom? And in what way am I not showing respect?[/QUOTE]Not my place to try to answer that question. But allow me to respectfully interject. LOL.

Sam.

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[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3000714]As I reported a couple days ago, I have one Nana Plaza mamasan who knows me well and knows exactly what I like. She brings recommended girls to me for my review and those girls are already prescreened for BBFSCIP.[/QUOTE]I would like to know if other board members had similar success with mamasans. I always felt that most girls are hiding any possible BB practice from their peers and their mamasans. This is why I never even bothered to ask a mamasan.

Taken services from 4 ladies in the picture. IYKYK.

After many years break, I had a 4 day stopver in BKK and did stay in the well proven Nana Hotel. Still the same since 30 years.

FL's streetwalkers asking for 3000ST --what a bullok! And guys do pay it. OMG.

I had my old style approach, being the one who got the money and offering a job: exchanging a few friendly words, make her smile and then inform the girl that I have with me an amount which I think fits to her looks. No --the girls were no druggies or fat mommies. Just the average looking gal, short size, with tits, but not pumpoi or over 30. The amount I tell was between 600 to 1000 Baht. Never more!

"Take it or leave it, honey" . And out of 10 approaches 4 of them did walk back with me to my hotel. Among others, one was from Kigali / Ruanda. Another young one from Myanmar.

Guys --don't be whimps. You set the rules and don't let your dick control your finances.

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[QUOTE=Safado70;3001028]I would like to know if other board members had similar success with mamasans. I always felt that most girls are hiding any possible BB practice from their peers and their mamasans. This is why I never even bothered to ask a mamasan.[/QUOTE]I have known a few mamasans in Bangkok gogo bars over the years who have provided the type of BBFSCIP matchmaking service described by HorseTrader. Not just BBFSCIP but for DFK, BBBJ, DATY and BBFSCIP. Or even BBBJCIM+Swallow.

But don't expect every mamasan in every gogo bar to be that good at their job. Most don't put in the effort to know anything so useful about their girls. The rare good ones are worth their weight in gold. Yet a mere 100 -200 baht tip and / or a drink, if they are so inclined, is enough to get them involved. Talking about the good and useful ones.

The challenge is to overcome any shyness or reticence about introducing yourself to the mamasan of a bar, asking her name, inviting her to sit for a drink and tell her what it takes to move you to pay the barfine for a girl, pay her the going rate or sometimes a tad more (paying the girl afterwards, never before, of course) and be even more inclined to return as a frequent customer and 100-200 baht tipper to that mamasan.

Bear in mind, most mamasans are a waste of time in this regard, particularly when it comes to which girls are likely to agree to BBFSCIP. But the rare useful mamasan is who you are looking for.

You find them by telling them what you want and waiting for their response. If they genuinely recoil in horror by the question, they are in the wrong business.

The most interesting thing I learned about Thai gogo girls and maybe it applies to most Thai P4 P girls is that all it takes for a lousy, do nothing, starfish and "no" to practically everything like DFK and BBBJ and certainly BBFSCIP or BBBJCIM+Swallow supposedly too shy, too inexperienced, too culturally-resistant to such things hooker into the sweet-as-pie, most accommodating, agreeable and participatory to everything Real GFE hooker is a simple instruction from a knowledgeable mamasan to "Treat him well. He is a good man and a good customer. "

LOL. No on-the-spot tutorial. No detailed instructions. No list of things to do for the customer.

It turns out these supposedly shy, culturally obtuse and incapable girls know very well the difference between crap sex and great sex by the time they are working in the business. And the only reason they have not bothered to deliver great instead of crap sex is because a trusted and respected Thai figure of authority like that old Thai lady mamasan has not told them to provide you with great sex instead of crap sex.

Of course, as always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3001083]I have known a few mamasans in Bangkok gogo bars over the years [/QUOTE]You have consistently interesting, well thought out and well written posts. I just want to say thank you.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3000827]Walked into Thermae last night...
[/QUOTE]Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for sharing all of your experiences. I've really enjoyed reading all the posts, great stuff.

Good luck out there, how long is your trip?

[QUOTE=JizzyB;3001035]Taken services from 4 ladies in the picture. IYKYK.[/QUOTE]Love this place. I see #1 and #55 are still there from Dr. BJs. Letter P uuffff those tits and lips.

[QUOTE=WintersLight;3001218]Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for sharing all of your experiences. I've really enjoyed reading all the posts, great stuff.

Good luck out there, how long is your trip?[/QUOTE]It's a 2 wk trip. I have tonight and 3 solid days left.

I slowed down with the posting because things are sort of a blur. I have only been sleeping when absolutely necessary when my body just shuts down. I invariably fall asleep during each foot massage. I am experiencing some pretty intense exhaustion after my encounters with these women. I feel utterly drained. I am not really interested in a pharmacologic solution so I have resorted to trying to space things about 12 hrs apart if possible. So I have been sleeping like 2-3 hrs twice each 24 hrs, but little regularity or pattern. Yeah probably not healthy. Why sleep when I can walk around all night looking at the eye candy?

Anyways in the past few days I have found some extremely attractive providers. Just blind luck really. The other night I was wandering up and down the main Sukhumvit drag. I tried "the walk" that is mentioned here but I am more of a cat and just wander. I like between the McDonalds near the Terminal 21 area all the way up to the Nana Plaza Road. I like Soi 11 - lots of people (girls) milling about in and out of bars, clubs, etc. And of course I like Sukhumvit 4 Alley on both sides up to about the 7-11 that always seems to have someone passed out on the pavement out front. I wish I could dredge up more areas of SWs in the forums. No time right now though.

There are tons of ladyboys to sift through especially as the night grows longer. They're pretty obvious, but not all. I got my feelings hurt when a girl rebuffed me. Just said "I'm happy. " As in GTFO. But later I see her again and she is grinning and making a gesture near her crotch. I walk back over and ask hon, what does that mean. She said "I have dick. " Ohhhhhhh. I asked how did you know I didn't want it. "I saw you looking at girls. " Honestly these ladyboys as a whole are decent humans. Totally fucked in the head, but decent I would say.

Anyways the other night I was sorta just not feeling it. Nothing really clicking. Nobody grabbing my interest. Then I just told myself JoshAllen, don't force it, don't stress. Things will work out. Literally 2 blocks later I am walking by one of these little pop up diners on the sidewalk with 2 tables and a cook serving food and beer. A girl is eating alone and looks up, sees me and smiles. This is like 50 feet from Thermae. Holy crap she is gorgeous and very petite. Face was top tier and very tight body. Had a kid but absolutely no signs of it in her physique (even naked). Very cool girl (Nam) - she asked me to sit and we chatted. Close to fully fluent in English. Turns out she goes to Thermae but I found her outside. She asks so what are you doing next? Ummm. I think I going with you to my place? Oh!. OK cool. And that was that. I won't call it a GFE but it was pretty damn good. Even chilled in bed chatting, goofing off, and cuddling before the act. Very sensual, some kissing, lots of tender touching throughout. That was nice. Had some BBBJ time. Had some DATY and she told me she wanted my fingers inside her please. Tried the "I'm good with no condom if you are" thing again but she was firm on it. Paid 2500.

Last night I scoped a bunch of these lesser known (or talked about) MPs on Sukhumvit 24/1 Alley. There were a few really hot girls outside but I felt a little on the spot with like 30+ girls in that small area hollering etc. You come! I give you special massage! Everyting honey! I circled back around but the few I was really interested in weren't to be seen. I am going to check it out again. I ended up wandering down Sukhumvit Alley 22 which to me had an impressive array of options on the little side streets if you're the sort to take a chance on a lesser known random place. But as it turns out I ended up in front of a place I had seen mentioned (Honey Bee [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/VzN5CpLWsaZf4N588[/URL]) and I must say I am very glad I went.

There was a somewhat more demure girl in the back corner of the cluster of girls. She gave me a sweet look when I looked at her. I asked if I could go with her and all the girls said yes! Yes! I honestly am still figuring this shit out. A few times I went for a basic massage, but the cute girl outside handed me off to a hefty mamasan type inside. So I wasn't sure if these girls were just bait. Well, no, she was the real deal. Very Chinese-drama-looking girl, the word lithe sums it up for me. Dangerous beauty that could make me slip up. All I can say is her massage felt like a seduction and I was truly under her spell. She knew exactly what she was doing. It wasn't perfect because everything was covered. But eh, still a very satisfying experience. Her name is Nikki, but if you can believe it, she is moving up north for good in like 7 days! Ouch! This is a serious loss for BKK. Paid 2500 for 60 min FS oil massage.

Then today I thought about Doki Doki but I was closer to Peach [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/NJNxN8UahDDm6xb78[/URL] so I decided to stroll by. I had heard that weekend talent can be more sparse at the MPs. Well I go to the 7-11 across the street to creep on the MP. I see that there are 2 girls out front. 1 looks OK. The other has good long hair but I can't see her. I loop around, walking right by and take a look. Well this girl sees me and is enthusiastically waving me down. I guess it's slow business because I am just an average dude with a dad bod (but yeah I know it's all about the wallet). Holy crap she is hot. I picked her for 60 minute oil massage, FS, 2000 baht. Service was decent. A little formulaic. Very friendly girl, super easy on the eyes, very long, slender bod with MMs and an absolutely perfect ass. Everything covered again. That is getting a little disappointing. Anyways I will say overall a positive experience due to hotness level, and the service was decent, but the everything covered thing is not for me, so I guess I'm getting a little cranky. On that note I didn't tip her!

So which is better, my 6. 5/10 semi-thick girl that allowed BBBJ and BBFS? Or these super hot girls all covered? Hard to say. I enjoyed both. I keep forgetting to pick an average looking girl to see if better service.

Despite all my pre-trip research about options and fussing with TF, I just don't want to spend a lot of time on that and Fwfans. I am not going to chase these girls down. Too much of pain when so much is directly available with an enjoyable walk outside my place. Also I doubt I will do Tded-99 or whatever it's called. It's pretty far. Bar girls and clubs not really my thing either. Don't drink and my hearing sucks. Can't really converse well at clubs or bars. So far it's MPs and SWs for me. A few Thermae and TF encounters. Hell no not doing an escort service. Oh but my 2 outcall massages were excellent too. And god no I realized I have no interest in a civvie encounter / date / dinner thing. I am restless when the girl is waiting in my room for her Grab after 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001263]There was a somewhat more demure girl in the back corner of the cluster of girls. She gave me a sweet look when I looked at her. I asked if I could go with her and all the girls said yes! Yes! I honestly am still figuring this shit out. A few times I went for a basic massage, but the cute girl outside handed me off to a hefty mamasan type inside. So I wasn't sure if these girls were just bait.[/QUOTE]Normal massage shops have an internal queue system, so the next customer is normally given to the next woman / girl in their queue, and often they take turns about who's sitting inside, though I don't doubt some are aware it's beneficial to have the more pretty ones sitting outside and take advantage of that. Anyway, you don't need to bother yourself with their internal queue. Just point out who you want to massage you, or even easier, just tell her while you're still outside, "you massage me, polite smile" like I do. Usually they'll repeat what you said somewhat loud to make it clear they're not trying to skip in line and get a customer ahead of who would normally have gotten him.

Keep your reports coming.

On BBFS, I got an m. Gen infection last year that has run through $500-1000 and over 6 months of attempted treatment. It has probably caused some lasting damage as well. The symptoms resemble the clap except it is resistant to the most common antibiotics. The treatments that do have 60+% efficacy on it are powerful floxies and antibiotics that are much harder on the body than the standard doxycycline. I am not telling anyone not to BBFS since I honestly don't really care, but if you do, then think twice about fucking a wg in Thailand without protection or at least use some PEP as it is gradually becoming endemic. Most women seem to have mild or unnoticeable symptoms and don't know they have it and combined with how difficult and expensive it is to kill it's hard not to see this becoming widespread in a few years here.

Posting this because I've gradually seen BBFS become more mainstream over the mongering boards because of prep medication, but Prep doesn't help against this or super gon.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3001290]just tell her while you're still outside, "you massage me, polite smile" [/QUOTE]I like that move. Will give it a try.

Well tonight hasn't been great. Trying to simmer down so I am drinking a sprite at Mickey Dee's and writing.

Connected with a Vietnamese SW where they seem to congregate (across from the gross 7-11). She was cutish, big tits, probably early 30's. She didn't blow me away though. We agreed to go to the ST hotel next to 7-11. She quoted 2000 and I said 1500. She started to fuss and I just started to pull back and away. So she agrees.

All is well in room until she starts trying to renegotiate. Eye rollll. At least I refused to pay ahead of time (as preached here). Then she begins BJ with a literal death grip. Rather unpleasant. I explained it didn't feel good. Please just mouth. Well she was very insistent that it had to be her way and carried on. After going back and forth about it for a bit, I decided to abort. Told her I'd give her 500 but I'm leaving. She just said "fine. ".

It was pretty heated for a few moments. My vibe is not good. I will walk for a while. Almost agreed with another SW but just before getting in tuk tuk I tried to confirm BBBJ. She seemed almost horrified LOL. I aborted that too. Not really feeling her. It may not be the girls. Maybe I am just tired.

Back to the hunt.

[QUOTE=Lager;3001308]On BBFS, I got an m. Gen infection last year that has run through $500-1000 and over 6 months of attempted treatment. It has probably caused some lasting damage as well. The symptoms resemble the clap except it is resistant to the most common antibiotics. The treatments that do have 60+% efficacy on it are powerful floxies and antibiotics that are much harder on the body than the standard doxycycline. I am not telling anyone not to BBFS since I honestly don't really care, but if you do, then think twice about fucking a wg in Thailand without protection or at least use some PEP as it is gradually becoming endemic. Most women seem to have mild or unnoticeable symptoms and don't know they have it and combined with how difficult and expensive it is to kill it's hard not to see this becoming widespread in a few years here.

Posting this because I've gradually seen BBFS become more mainstream over the mongering boards because of prep medication, but Prep doesn't help against this or super gon.[/QUOTE]Exactly why I don't do BBFS. At my age a prolonged infection could cause other urinary tract issues such as irritating an already enlarged prostate. And yes these multi drug resistant infections are becoming way more prevalent. Supposedly 200 MG of doxy as pep is supposed to prevent 75% of infections, but I would doubt it would be effective against multidrug resistant bacteria.

[QUOTE=Lager;3001308]On BBFS, I got an m. Gen infection last year that has run through $500-1000 and over 6 months of attempted treatment. It has probably caused some lasting damage as well. The symptoms resemble the clap except it is resistant to the most common antibiotics. The treatments that do have 60+% efficacy on it are powerful floxies and antibiotics that are much harder on the body than the standard doxycycline. I am not telling anyone not to BBFS since I honestly don't really care, but if you do, then think twice about fucking a wg in Thailand without protection or at least use some PEP as it is gradually becoming endemic. Most women seem to have mild or unnoticeable symptoms and don't know they have it and combined with how difficult and expensive it is to kill it's hard not to see this becoming widespread in a few years here.

Posting this because I've gradually seen BBFS become more mainstream over the mongering boards because of prep medication, but Prep doesn't help against this or super gon.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your thought. I second your thoughts. I vouch to stick to your thought. I am very thankful to your thoughts.

Planning 3 nights stay in Nana. Looking for hotel with daily charges upto 50 USD. Nana hotel, worburi, boss suites, I was contemplating but did not find of my liking. Can any brother suggest a good option in the price range please. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3001412]Planning 3 nights stay in Nana. Looking for hotel with daily charges upto 50 USD. Nana hotel, worburi, boss suites, I was contemplating but did not find of my liking. Can any brother suggest a good option in the price range please. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The dawin hotel.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3001412]Planning 3 nights stay in Nana. Looking for hotel with daily charges upto 50 USD. Nana hotel, worburi, boss suites, I was contemplating but did not find of my liking. Can any brother suggest a good option in the price range please. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]For Value, less than $20 my go to is Orchid Inn. In that lane where Nana girls go for short time. Maybe you get a FreeBee we so often hear about because you hansum and charming.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001309]I like that move. Will give it a try.

Well tonight hasn't been great. Trying to simmer down so I am drinking a sprite at Mickey Dee's and writing.

Connected with a Vietnamese SW where they seem to congregate (across from the gross 7-11). She was cutish, big tits, probably early 30's. She didn't blow me away though. We agreed to go to the ST hotel next to 7-11. She quoted 2000 and I said 1500. She started to fuss and I just started to pull back and away. So she agrees.

All is well in room until she starts trying to renegotiate. Eye rollll. At least I refused to pay ahead of time (as preached here). Then she begins BJ with a literal death grip. Rather unpleasant. I explained it didn't feel good. Please just mouth. Well she was very insistent that it had to be her way and carried on. After going back and forth about it for a bit, I decided to abort. Told her I'd give her 500 but I'm leaving. She just said "fine. ".

It was pretty heated for a few moments. My vibe is not good. I will walk for a while. Almost agreed with another SW but just before getting in tuk tuk I tried to confirm BBBJ. She seemed almost horrified LOL. I aborted that too. Not really feeling her. It may not be the girls. Maybe I am just tired.

Back to the hunt.[/QUOTE]If you check back on previous posts you'll see the reviews of those VIET girls tend to be largely negative not only for the sort of experiences you had.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3001412]Planning 3 nights stay in Nana. Looking for hotel with daily charges upto 50 USD.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at Majestic Suites many times. It's ok. Good staff. Just around the corner from Nana.

[URL]https://www.majesticsuites.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=StillFun;3000696]Sunday night after arriving in Bangkok from a long haul flight I went out along Sukhumvit from Nana end eastwards looking for a girl. I vaguely remember talking to someone and I have this barely a memory in my head of thinking 'why am I not taking her to my hotel? But this could be a false memory. Anyway next thing I remember coming too outside sat down somewhere about 4 am. I don't even remember where. It took me about 2 hours to get back to my hotel at 6 am though I don't think I walked that far. But I did sit drinking a cold drink from an all night shop for about an hour after I came to. Anyway what is strange and good is I had still had my phone, both my cards (nothing debited) but about 4000 baht missing from my wallet though about 200 were left in it. I can make little sense of the whole. I am just counting my blessings. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you were drugged and robbed.

The rest of my night was just OK. Had another drama moment after Aya, the girl I found outside Thermae at closing came all the way back to my condo. There we couldn't reach an agreement as to when I would pay. She was demanding payment before we began and I told her I could not do that. She packed up and walked out. I don't consider that a failure. Just the time cost of doing business as a monger. Better to demand quality and miss a few shots. (I did break that rule once here yes, a gamble, but it went OK.).

Went right back to outside Thermae and found Dee (I was half wondering if she was a ladyboy (I asked and she denied). Just a certain facial structure, a little tall, hands medium sized, but thin boned, no adams apple. Unfortunately none of these features fully rule anything in or out. I have no doubt of my abilities to confirm yay or nay anatomically down below though. I won't elaborate but I am sure.

Well a new round of negotiation began in the midst. Wanted extra 500 for BBBJ. I didn't broach the topic before we started, a mistake. Had no amount to which she would agree to BBFS. Anyways it was all just ok, not great. She was "too sensitive" for much touching her pussy, much less any oral. I got enough of a feel to be quite certain though. I was able to confirm even further when the condom ended up coming off and getting lost in her vaginal vault! I told her don't worry and gently recovered it, in the process feeling a definite cervix. Not a ladyboy. Anyways kinda just meh. Wasn't really tolerating even full penetration. Definitely would not repeat with her, but yet another sexual encounter with a pretty fricken' hot girl, just service pretty average to below average. Paid the agreed 3000 + the desperation agreed to mid-session 500 for BBBJ. Yes a slip up on my part. Didn't tip.

Next day, I got a good rest that morning, spent several hrs at Chatuchak weekend market amidst a sea of Chinese tourists, then slept again, deciding I would just take 1 day off. Well I was up by midnight, then roaming around again. Ended up realizing I was feeling extremely lazy and just wanted a massage and BJ. WhatsApp to some outcall massage services at 4 AM. One responded and I was sent a lineup of pics and we set up a time. This business is not overtly erotic per their website and menu. I said I wanted "massage and special" (a term I learned here). They said I would need to work out extras with the girl.

Hana ([URL]https://similanthaimassage.com/outcall/hana/64[/URL]) came to my room, probably early 30's, not a hardbody but nice shape, cute face, definitely matched the pics I was sent. I think I would definitely have opted for FS with her but she said her menu only included HJ or BJ. She made a few comments about my package (I am only slightly above the statistical average size though, so whatever). I am not sure if she took FS off the menu. OK, chose BJ and to my pleasant surprise this consisted of BBBJCIM no swallow. Above average skill. No talk about price or condom at all. Nice. Still, afterwards felt pricy. The base massage price was 1400. She told me 2000 extra for the BJ (after the deed). OK fine, paid her and she left. No tip because it felt a little steep. But admittedly I didn't ask beforehand so that's on me. I would have preferred some erotic element and teasing during the massage but she sort of compartmentalized the massage and "special" afterwards.

So the clock is ticking. Only 2 more days. Definitely will try another MP or 2. I think maybe I should try TF at least one more time. There's a Thermae girl I am kicking myself for not talking to. She had a GND vibe and gave me a smile for a distance. I was too shy that night. I will see if I can find her. There's a very attractive, light skinned Kenyan SW I keep seeing too. One of the hardest things here is opportunity cost. There are a finite number shots and endless opportunities.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001649]The rest of my night was just OK. Had another drama moment after Aya, the girl I found outside Thermae at closing came all the way back to my condo. There we couldn't reach an agreement as to when I would pay. She was demanding payment before we began and I told her I could not do that. She packed up and walked out. I don't consider that a failure. Just the time cost of doing business as a monger.
[/QUOTE]Good choice. Freelancers (except fiwfans and possibly a few other thai-centric places), go-go girls and bar-girls are always pay-after in Thailand. Anything else should bring up a red flag, and somebody insisting on getting paid first after already having gone back with you, lots of red flags.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001649]

Went right back to outside Thermae and found Dee (I was half wondering if she was a ladyboy (I asked and she denied). Just a certain facial structure, a little tall, hands medium sized, but thin boned, no adams apple. Unfortunately none of these features fully rule anything in or out. I have no doubt of my abilities to confirm yay or nay anatomically down below though. I won't elaborate but I am sure.

Well a new round of negotiation began in the midst. Wanted extra 500 for BBBJ. I didn't broach the topic before we started, a mistake. [/QUOTE]Unlike some sucky countries, BJ is by default without condom in Thailand, and the onus is on the girl to say if it's not in her very particular case. I've never bothered to confirm that with any p4p-girl in Thailand, and nobody has ever asked me to use a condom for BJ either. Not sure how the dudes here manage to find all these crazy thai girls.

If a girl insisted on covered BJ, I'd promptly cancel the session without pay, and recommend anyone else does the same. Paying extra for stuff like that will turn Thailand into one of those sucky countries (I live in one now) where you have to confirm all sorts of stuff before going with the p4p-girl.

If you've already been banging her for half an hour before you suggest she puts her lip on your dick, and she at that point insists you continue with a condom, you're obviously shit out of luck and have to pay her the agreed price. But if not, and you have any reason to worry she will bring out a condom for BJ, start with a BJ before any other sexual activities. Then just cancel politely and with a fake smile if she does not want to do that.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001649]felt pricy. The base massage price was 1400. She told me 2000 extra for the BJ (after the deed)[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience at CCARE [URL]https://ccarebangkokmassage.com/[/URL].

I wanted a professional Neck & Shoulder followed by an oil massage with "Special".

Their answer: "You looking for! The professional massage?? OR!!Young lady beautiful massage?

I opted for the second and no neck & Shoulder, 1200 for the massage (2 hours) + the lady had the audacity to quote me 1,500 for a HJ. When I laughed (genuine laugh) she wouldn't understand, but being here 2 decades help. I started joking with her, that usually I get "Chukwow" for 300. She was shocked but we had a good laugh. She completely relaxed and was teasing. Ended us quoting 1 K for BBBJ but no CIM, she also asked for extra 500 to undress. We settled for 1200 B2 B with BBBJ.

She was enthusiastically trying but, poor thing, she was not good at it. But all in all, I can say I had fun.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001649]She was demanding payment before we began and I told her I could not do that. She packed up and walked out. I don't consider that a failure. Just the time cost of doing business as a monger. Better to demand quality and miss a few shots. (I did break that rule once here yes, a gamble, but it went OK.). Went right back to outside Thermae and found (Mai-) Dee. Well, a new round of negotiation began in the midst. Wanted extra 500 for BBBJ. Had no amount to which she would agree to BBFS.[/QUOTE]These days it sounds like you need a Thai lawyer to draft a legal agreement, and get her to sign it. What a farce! Just go to Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Pattaya Soi 6 or Beach Road. The first three you have recourse to any 'infringements'.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3001746]Good choice. Freelancers (except fiwfans and possibly a few other thai-centric places), go-go girls and bar-girls are always pay-after in Thailand. Anything else should bring up a red flag, and somebody insisting on getting paid first after already having gone back with you, lots of red flags[/QUOTE]It used to be like that, but it's becoming increasingly difficult these days, and there is a pretty good reason for this: the exponential increase of the Asian customer.

You can see it almost everywhere, Oilies are now all FS-included, thanks to our Japanese friends who can't handle negotiating and tipping while in the room.

For Bars and FL's girls are getting wiser and since the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese have no issue with upfront payment, they are setting a new normal and soon enough, the Farang is going to come here whining about how it's not the "good old days" anymore. Well the good old days, they're gone! I am also not a fan of this system, I like to assess the mood of the girl and maybe only want a BJ and no FS, but that choice is being taken away from us. You pay FS, whatever you do in the room is your problem.

I am not mad, I can see how frustrating it used to be for girls I used to take, telling me stories about guys paying for 2 hours massage and only wanting a HJ. This was 2 K+ income loss if the girl was popular.

We adapt, or we stand with our dick in our hand watching porn (wirl exaggeration, I know, but you get the picture).

I walked by Addict and Mango today. I have a hard time navigating these places. I hate being in the spotlight. Suddenly there are 10 women with 10 different reactions to my presence. Of course my brain tries hopelessly to "manage" things. But mostly I just gave a smile and nod, kept walking while noticing some girls seemed enthusiastic, some meh, and some barely noticed me. I know this sounds like 8th grade stuff but such is my reality. I noticed one other place as I turned the corner with a kind, cute face gazing towards me. I kept going but after about a minute I decided to take the plunge at that place. Oriental massage ([URL]https://www.orient-massage.com/[/URL]). It's not making headlines, pretty average girls and facility.

Anyways I went for 90 minute oil massage w / shower room for I want to say 2100. Nikka was interesting. I would have sworn she was Japanese. Probably 30, cute face, very kawai vibe, even using sounds like Aht! When surprised. But she feigned ignorance and said she was from Bangkok. I think she had a schtick going. She was not my typical physique. She sat solidly in the thicc category with plenty of cushion all over. But damn she was sexy, she could move, the kawai thing was pinging me hard, and very attentive. Who knows but she seemed to be enjoying herself. First body to body, then TONS of BBBJ. Eventually she covered me up and hopped on. Had a lot of fun, but after 10+ days of this, there was no way I could finish with the condom.

I asked if we could return to BJ and she was very agreeable. Well after several minutes, it just still wasn't happening. Empty tank. I thanked her, said she did great, and no worries. She massaged me a bit more then I pulled her on top to enjoy her big ol' titties one more time. Well one thing leads to another, she's all lubed up again, sliding all over me. I have her grind me P2 P and I won't lie I was angling to slip it in. She certainly wasn't resisting, and suddenly it's happening and she gives another quick little Aht! With a "shocked" look on her face (just like an anime). But that lasts 1/2 a second and we're going at it. Not sure why but I chose to not finish inside. I felt she had been very generous.

So she is a strong repeat in my book if I lived here that is. Yes I tipped her. Sue me.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001649]The rest of my night was just OK. Had another drama moment after Aya, the girl I found outside Thermae at closing came all the way back to my condo. There we couldn't reach an agreement as to when I would pay. She was demanding payment before we began and I told her I could not do that. She packed up and walked out. I don't consider that a failure. Just the time cost of doing business as a monger. Better to demand quality and miss a few shots. (I did break that rule once here yes, a gamble, but it went OK.).[/QUOTE]The possible reason more and more girls do this is because there are guys who don't pay. The guy will go through the session and then claim that the encounter was not P4 P and try to walk with a freebie. I had a Thai girl Mai that I picked up in front of Sofitel that wanted payment up front for this reason. Incidentally, the pay first expectation is quite the norm in my experience with the Vietnamese girls working on Nana.

I can offer a suggestion to defuse this kind of situation. Use translate and say "I understand your concern. After we finish, the money is yours. " Then take out the agreed money, show it clearly to the girl and place it on the table. This way the girl knows that you have expected payment and understand it is a P4 P situation. I will typically put the remote control or some object to keep the money from being moved or snatched, but I will keep it clearly in sight on the table. This approach has never failed me. In the event that the girl insists upon pocketing the money before services, then I would pick up the money, pack up and go as this is a likely indicator that she has bad intentions. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001791]I walked by Addict and Mango today. I have a hard time navigating these places. I hate being in the spotlight. Suddenly there are 10 women with 10 different reactions to my presence. Of course my brain tries hopelessly to "manage" things. But mostly I just gave a smile and nod, kept walking while noticing some girls seemed enthusiastic, some meh, and some barely noticed me. I know this sounds like 8th grade stuff but such is my reality. I noticed one other place as I turned the corner with a kind, cute face gazing towards me. I kept going but after about a minute I decided to take the plunge at that place. Oriental massage ([URL]https://www.orient-massage.com/[/URL]). It's not making headlines, pretty average girls and facility.

Anyways I went for 90 minute oil massage w / shower room for I want to say 2100. Nikka was interesting. I would have sworn she was Japanese. Probably 30, cute face, very kawai vibe, even using sounds like Aht! When surprised. But she feigned ignorance and said she was from Bangkok. I think she had a schtick going. She was not my typical physique. She sat solidly in the thicc category with plenty of cushion all over. But damn she was sexy, she could move, the kawai thing was pinging me hard, and very attentive. Who knows but she seemed to be enjoying herself. First body to body, then TONS of BBBJ. Eventually she covered me up and hopped on. Had a lot of fun, but after 10+ days of this, there was no way I could finish with the condom.

I asked if we could return to BJ and she was very agreeable. Well after several minutes, it just still wasn't happening. Empty tank. I thanked her, said she did great, and no worries. She massaged me a bit more then I pulled her on top to enjoy her big ol' titties one more time. Well one thing leads to another, she's all lubed up again, sliding all over me. I have her grind me P2 P and I won't lie I was angling to slip it in. She certainly wasn't resisting, and suddenly it's happening and she gives another quick little Aht! With a "shocked" look on her face (just like an anime). But that lasts 1/2 a second and we're going at it. Not sure why but I chose to not finish inside. I felt she had been very generous.

So she is a strong repeat in my book if I lived here that is. Yes I tipped her. Sue me.[/QUOTE]Orient is one of the places where I was told no BBFS from anyone. One of the girls even recommended the freelancer sitting on the pavement across the alley. She was not up to my standards so I passed.

Your experience mimics some of mine back in the days where I was transitioning from CFS to BBFS. Many girls say no BB when setting up a session, but upon my failure to finish, they sometimes agree to BBFS. These Thai girls don't want to leave a customer unsatisfied. I've had similar experiences from Thermae, massage shops, and go go bars. Of course, it does not happen in every instance, which results in frustration and is why I now negotiate BBFS before going to the room.

Those positive experiences for Thai girls seems to hold true with Lao girls, sometimes but not always. But Vietnamese girls are the opposite, they will change BBFS street agreement into an extra fee in the room. Now I avoid Vietnamese girls. My sample size for such experiences is too small to be scientifically accepted, but that is how I feel.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3001835]The possible reason more and more girls do this is because there are guys who don't pay. .[/QUOTE]Thats what I was told in Billboard at one time. Its a flexible rule tho.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001791]I walked by Addict and Mango today. I have a hard time navigating these places. I hate being in the spotlight. Suddenly there are 10 women with 10 different reactions to my presence. Of course my brain tries hopelessly to "manage" things. But mostly I just gave a smile and nod, kept walking while noticing some girls seemed enthusiastic, some meh, and some barely noticed me. I know this sounds like 8th grade stuff but such is my reality. I noticed one other place as I turned the corner with a kind, cute face gazing towards me. I kept going but after about a minute I decided to take the plunge at that place. Oriental massage ([URL]https://www.orient-massage.com/[/URL]). It's not making headlines, pretty average girls and facility.

Anyways I went for 90 minute oil massage w / shower room for I want to say 2100. Nikka was interesting. I would have sworn she was Japanese. Probably 30, cute face, very kawai vibe, even using sounds like Aht! When surprised. But she feigned ignorance and said she was from Bangkok. I think she had a schtick going. She was not my typical physique. She sat solidly in the thicc category with plenty of cushion all over. But damn she was sexy, she could move, the kawai thing was pinging me hard, and very attentive. Who knows but she seemed to be enjoying herself. First body to body, then TONS of BBBJ. Eventually she covered me up and hopped on. Had a lot of fun, but after 10+ days of this, there was no way I could finish with the condom.

I asked if we could return to BJ and she was very agreeable. Well after several minutes, it just still wasn't happening. Empty tank. I thanked her, said she did great, and no worries. She massaged me a bit more then I pulled her on top to enjoy her big ol' titties one more time. Well one thing leads to another, she's all lubed up again, sliding all over me. I have her grind me P2 P and I won't lie I was angling to slip it in. She certainly wasn't resisting, and suddenly it's happening and she gives another quick little Aht! With a "shocked" look on her face (just like an anime). But that lasts 1/2 a second and we're going at it. Not sure why but I chose to not finish inside. I felt she had been very generous.

So she is a strong repeat in my book if I lived here that is. Yes I tipped her. Sue me.[/QUOTE]So deep question, your trip of 14 days is quite intense, do you think at this point (say day 10), the novelty of banging multiple girls every day has worn off or dwindled somewhat? I don't mean physically but more the urge, does a good nights sleep seem more attractive at this or any point on the trip so far?

The longest mongering trip I've spent to Thailand so far is 7 days, I think I didn't pick up any girl for at least 2 days on that trip, just became boring to a degree.

Law of diminishing returns!!

Interested in the thoughts of others.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3001765]It used to be like that, but it's becoming increasingly difficult these days, and there is a pretty good reason for this: the exponential increase of the Asian customer.
[/QUOTE]Maybe it will someday become like that, but that day is not here yet, and hopefully it will not arrive anytime soon. So far I'm sticking to that rule, and there has only been one time where a girl flat out refused to get paid afterwards instead of first: a go-go girl on Soi cowboy, though her friend sitting on my other side was ok to go and accept payment after as usual, so we did not go together. One or two others have mentioned it, probably because other customers have agreed like you say (some go-go bars even have a professional looking price list with short-time rates and other things ready to show newbies), but did not put up any argument when I said I will pay after.

Somebody spending the time to walk/taxi to my place, only when inside telling me I have to pay first, and then leaving when I refused? That's strange enough I'd not be surprised if it had turned out to be ladyboy or something else wrong there after money was paid.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3001765]
I am not mad, I can see how frustrating it used to be for girls I used to take, telling me stories about guys paying for 2 hours massage and only wanting a HJ. This was 2 K+ income loss if the girl was popular.
[/QUOTE]Well, that's a different thing, and I think most of us agree that makes sense for the girls and shop.

[QUOTE=JoshAllen;3001791]
So she is a strong repeat in my book if I lived here that is. Yes I tipped her. Sue me.[/QUOTE]I may be wrong, but in these shops I think most of us tip for BBFS and other things not part of the expected the service.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3001989]Maybe it will someday become like that, but that day is not here yet, and hopefully it will not arrive anytime soon[/QUOTE]It is already here, in many oilies, you come and the price includes FS. You pay upfront to the shop.

I much preferred to pay for the massage and let the girl know after shower what I wanted. I'm a BJ fan, and a lot of times I negotiated 2 BBBJ for the 1. 5 K FS price (when 1 shot was customary).

Tulip came along, with its unlimited shots and anal all included, shops needed to adapt to MSOG included.

I like the vietnamese model of you pay a set price that vary for 1, 2 or unlimited shots.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3001999]It is already here, in many oilies, you come and the price includes FS. You pay upfront to the shop.

I much preferred to pay for the massage and let the girl know after shower what I wanted. I'm a BJ fan, and a lot of times I negotiated 2 BBBJ for the 1. 5 K FS price (when 1 shot was customary).

Tulip came along, with its unlimited shots and anal all included, shops needed to adapt to MSOG included.

I like the vietnamese model of you pay a set price that vary for 1, 2 or unlimited shots.[/QUOTE]Yeah, at the shops it is. I'm referring to freelancers, go-go girls and bar-girls.

Several shops do have separate prices for HJ/BJ/FS though. Per number of shots too. E. g. , I remember a shop on soi 33 or soi 33/1 (princess massage) where it's 1600 for BJ (bizarrely enough not including CIM per default), and 600 more if you book FS. Think I saw similar setups in several other shops too last January.

I only remember that particular shop because after the girl in the room refused a tip of 1000 for BBFS, and I didn't want to pay the 2000 extra she demanded, I settled on BBBJCIM. Later on I checked that the menu prices BJ at only 1600, rather than the 2200 I had paid with the intent of FS, and I thought to myself: should have just ordered the BJ-course then.
I'm sure hilarity would have ensued if I had tried to get 600 back from the reception as I was walking out though. ;-)

My first time was over thirty five years ago so I believe things have changed and I have changed.

I am in my mid 50's, I do not drink, do not like loud music and am not really a late night person. So are my best options massage places and FL.

I go to Medellin quite often and am looking to not pay more that 3000 bt for ST. Is Thai friendly similar to SA? I use this alot in Mde.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3002026]Yeah, at the shops it is. I'm referring to freelancers, go-go girls and bar-girls.[/QUOTE]Not my scene so I will defer to you on that one.

[QUOTE]I'm sure hilarity would have ensued if I had tried to get 600 back from the reception as I was walking out though.[/QUOTE]I learned the hard way many times, so now I prefer to tell Mama or Papa exactly what I want, check the price and let he / she call the lineup of girls that will fit. If not to my liking, I walk away.

And, yes, hilariously enough, I would have asked for the 600 back, just to see the reaction. Had a bad experience in Vietnam last week which saw me leave 30 mn earlier than I booked, the shop refunded me 400 thb on a 2 K booking, was a nice touch.

I have a budget of $400 USD. If I can spend less great, but I want you guys to go all out!

I'm a relatively novice monger and I want my mind blown. I only have time for one visit in Bangkok. I've never had Nuru but I love watching it, so my idea is:

- Nuru 3 some with anal, either 90 or 120 minutes, 2 shots.

I'm wondering:

1. what do you think of a nuru 3 some as my 'ultimate experience'? I of course want rimming and ideally some prostate play but just rimming is OK. Open to other ideas. Also advice on things to do during the nuru. Like getting ridden while I have my tongue in another girls ass. Or getting a blowjob + rimjob at the same time. I don't want to miss out on doing anything haha.

2. Where should I go? I'd love to bareback if I can safely, so willing to pay a premium for that, but if the best experience requires a place where I should wear a wrapper that is all good too.

3. Should I take Viagra / Cialis / sildenafil before hand?

Thanks folks.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;3002030]My first time was over thirty five years ago so I believe things have changed and I have changed.

I am in my mid 50's, I do not drink, do not like loud music and am not really a late night person. So are my best options massage places and FL.

I go to Medellin quite often and am looking to not pay more that 3000 bt for ST. Is Thai friendly similar to SA? I use this alot in Mde.[/QUOTE]TF is basically the Tinder in Thailand. Although, Tinder is more popular for foreigners. I tried TF for a couple days now and found one girl that I'll be meeting when I hit the ground. I also saw a bunch of transgender posing as a woman. Blocked them. I'd recommend getting the premium for $20. You get more features and your message goes on top of the free members.

Seeking also has good selection of girls and some transgender mixed in LOL. I haven't really found one that I really like, but I messaged some of the girls and have not received a reply yet. I frequent Medellin as well. This is my first time going in Bangkok so I'm not sure if the girls here are flakier than Mde LOL.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3002039]
I learned the hard way many times, so now I prefer to tell Mama or Papa exactly what I want, check the price and let he / she call the lineup of girls that will fit. If not to my liking, I walk away.

And, yes, hilariously enough, I would have asked for the 600 back, just to see the reaction. Had a bad experience in Vietnam last week which saw me leave 30 mn earlier than I booked, the shop refunded me 400 thb on a 2 K booking, was a nice touch.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's a nice touch, especially if you were not a regular there. In my case it would have been undeserved though. Booked sex, we're both naked, fooling around a bit on the bed, eventually I go to put it in, but she refuses and tells me condom first. Talk about it a bit, but no go, so end up having just a BJ instead. Can't fault the girl in this case, so just a funny situation for me, where if I had my crystal ball with me, I could have booked BJ instead and saved 600.

I say: no baby, no silicone ("original"), no fat. Then I watch 70% disappear. :-/

[QUOTE=Younghandsome2;3002042]I have a budget of $400 USD. If I can spend less great, but I want you guys to go all out!

I'm a relatively novice monger and I want my mind blown. I only have time for one visit in Bangkok. I've never had Nuru but I love watching it, so my idea is:

- Nuru 3 some with anal, either 90 or 120 minutes, 2 shots.

I'm wondering:

1. what do you think of a nuru 3 some as my 'ultimate experience'? I of course want rimming and ideally some prostate play but just rimming is OK. Open to other ideas. Also advice on things to do during the nuru. Like getting ridden while I have my tongue in another girls ass. Or getting a blowjob + rimjob at the same time. I don't want to miss out on doing anything haha.

2. Where should I go? I'd love to bareback if I can safely, so willing to pay a premium for that, but if the best experience requires a place where I should wear a wrapper that is all good too.

3. Should I take Viagra / Cialis / sildenafil before hand?

Thanks folks.[/QUOTE]Check this one out. I believe this spa has been reviewed here before. The video shows what's the spa offers and the options they have. #1 and #2 answers to your question is you will have to negotiate that privately in the room. But that's definitely an up charge.

[URL]https://youtu.be/tVlypV6F31Q?si=wNDi1HEBLHBL20nH[/URL]

[QUOTE=Younghandsome2;3002042]I have a budget of $400 USD. If I can spend less great, but I want you guys to go all out!

I'm a relatively novice monger and I want my mind blown. I only have time for one visit in Bangkok. I've never had Nuru but I love watching it, so my idea is:

- Nuru 3 some with anal, either 90 or 120 minutes, 2 shots.

I'm wondering:

1. what do you think of a nuru 3 some as my 'ultimate experience'? I of course want rimming and ideally some prostate play but just rimming is OK. Open to other ideas. Also advice on things to do during the nuru. Like getting ridden while I have my tongue in another girls ass. Or getting a blowjob + rimjob at the same time. I don't want to miss out on doing anything haha.

2. Where should I go? I'd love to bareback if I can safely, so willing to pay a premium for that, but if the best experience requires a place where I should wear a wrapper that is all good too.

3. Should I take Viagra / Cialis / sildenafil before hand?

Thanks folks.[/QUOTE]I would go to Amor 888 on Soi 18 and get a threesome with 2 girls who do anal and deepthroat. Cool thing about that place you can ask them up front and they will tell you straight out who can fuck face and fuck ass. Girls are hot too. Get the longest you have time / money for. I would go 120 minutes!

[QUOTE=JackieMarlo;3002105]I would go to Amor 888 on Soi 18 and get a threesome with 2 girls who do anal and deepthroat. Cool thing about that place you can ask them up front and they will tell you straight out who can fuck face and fuck ass. Girls are hot too. Get the longest you have time / money for. I would go 120 minutes![/QUOTE]Hmm, between this place and Don Quixote which do you think is safer? The girls are hot but the cost at Amor888 is only $5500 for 90 min with anal. It seems cheap which gives me some pause.

[QUOTE=JackieMarlo;3002105]I would go to Amor 888 on Soi 18 and get a threesome with 2 girls who do anal and deepthroat. Cool thing about that place you can ask them up front and they will tell you straight out who can fuck face and fuck ass. Girls are hot too. Get the longest you have time / money for. I would go 120 minutes![/QUOTE]Amor888 is $5500 for 90 min with anal, threesome. Seems cheap which makes me think it might be unsafe place or something else dodgy. What do you think? Don Quixote looks a bit more professional and they are pricier I think closer to 8500 for the same stuff. Not sure which way to go!

[QUOTE=JackieMarlo;3002105]I would go to Amor 888 on Soi 18 and get a threesome with 2 girls who do anal and deepthroat. Cool thing about that place you can ask them up front and they will tell you straight out who can fuck face and fuck ass. Girls are hot too. Get the longest you have time / money for. I would go 120 minutes![/QUOTE]Last time I went there they refused me a line-up, and instead insisted I choose from the presumably photoshopped photos on their tablet. I didn't even bother looking at the tablet and told them never mind, before going somewhere else. Has anything there changed?

As far back as 2 years ago, many places would only ever show you chicks via a tablet. Places like Don Quixote, Relax Room, etc. I'd say about half the time the chick matched the photo. Are we saying even more places do that now? Cause that sucks, and not in the good way either. Cause I want to see the goods in person before paying for the product. Well, someone's paying for this nonsense cause the places are clearly doing it still. Come on you guys, you got to insist on actual in person line ups like Addict Massage or Boss, joints like that where the chicks are just sitting outside anyway.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3002641]As far back as 2 years ago, many places would only ever show you chicks via a tablet. Places like Don Quixote, Relax Room, etc. I'd say about half the time the chick matched the photo. Are we saying even more places do that now? [/QUOTE]That is the more "Asian" way of selecting without being overwhelmed.

I remember one day at Angels massage 24/1 (RIP) where the girls used to sit in a small room next to reception, when someone asked to see the girls, the cashier would "Bark" something and a good 15 seconds later, open the small curtain so you could look inside.

I was asking to see the girls and 2 Japanese guys were right behind me, when the curtain opened they also were peeking. I selected one and they retreated. Casher asked them to come look but they motioned "No" and went back to the book.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3002641]As far back as 2 years ago, many places would only ever show you chicks via a tablet. Places like Don Quixote, Relax Room, etc. I'd say about half the time the chick matched the photo. Are we saying even more places do that now? Cause that sucks, and not in the good way either. Cause I want to see the goods in person before paying for the product. Well, someone's paying for this nonsense cause the places are clearly doing it still. Come on you guys, you got to insist on actual in person line ups like Addict Massage or Boss, joints like that where the chicks are just sitting outside anyway.[/QUOTE]The majority of the places that do this are all owned by the same Chinese-Thai woman, you can tell because all the shops follow a similar pattern in naming as "something something # Amor888, Awesome999, etc. They all follow the exact same format as forcing you to choose from an ipad and will refuse to give you a lineup. The places are heavily advertised towards mainland Chinese.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3002641]As far back as 2 years ago, many places would only ever show you chicks via a tablet. Places like Don Quixote, Relax Room, etc. I'd say about half the time the chick matched the photo. Are we saying even more places do that now? Cause that sucks, and not in the good way either. Cause I want to see the goods in person before paying for the product. Well, someone's paying for this nonsense cause the places are clearly doing it still. Come on you guys, you got to insist on actual in person line ups like Addict Massage or Boss, joints like that where the chicks are just sitting outside anyway.[/QUOTE]Obviously there are loads of MP's I haven't visited, but I get the impression from some that I have that it's more to do with how busy they are etc. Quite often say in the afternoon you'll get the line up without even asking, but go back to the same place in the evening say at the weekend when it's quite busy and they get out the tablet instead.

While I much prefer the line up, I can understand it from the shop point of view at busier times.

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;3002674]The majority of the places that do this are all owned by the same Chinese-Thai woman, you can tell because all the shops follow a similar pattern in naming as "something something # Amor888, Awesome999, etc. They all follow the exact same format as forcing you to choose from an ipad and will refuse to give you a lineup. The places are heavily advertised towards mainland Chinese.[/QUOTE]Is it because the Chinese are to shy to look at the girls in the flesh and choose, instead preferring to instead study photoshopped pics, or what? Still remember one of these places, which you say are managed by the same woman, where the reception women in the end did a lineup for me as I was leaving if not, and I asked her where the two 20-22 year old hot girls she one minute before had been trying to get me to choose from her photo album were? She pointed at one ugly girl and told me, "that's one of them".

People here are with good reason wary of fiwfans / thairfriendly-photos (especially fiwfans photos should be taken with a bucket load of salt), but I can't imagine what kind of idiot taxis to a physical shop to gawk at photoshopped photos instead of getting the girls to step out so he can see what he chooses. Ridiculous.

Arrived in Bangkok tonight, immigration line wasn't long at all but if you show up to the immigration officer without doing your TDAC online first then you will have to take your ass to the end of the line so you complete it. It doesn't matter if you already have a valid visa already. You have to do it with every entry.

Another thing, I wanted to stock up the fridge with some alcohol and found out that there are no alcohol sales during this holiday.

[QUOTE=Younghandsome2;3002176]Amor888 is $5500 for 90 min with anal, threesome. Seems cheap which makes me think it might be unsafe place or something else dodgy. What do you think? Don Quixote looks a bit more professional and they are pricier I think closer to 8500 for the same stuff. Not sure which way to go![/QUOTE]In Amor888 you have to chose girls from pictures, and them NEVER match the pictures.

Moreover one time I chose the only one nice and, when I was in the room, they invented something to change girls.

Avoid that place. It's quite all fake.

Just beware that today is Visakha Bucha Day. (11 May) Some places will not be selling alcohol but I think you will be good in the tourist areas, some hotels and international airport. I couldn't buy at a store last night but after looking around I did find a bar that sold alcohol until 2 am.

A convenient way to travel to and from BKK Airport is to use the Airport Rail Link. I used it last night and took it all the way to the last station (Phaya Thai) for only 45 Baht. You will get a token to use for your fare. From there I connected to the BTS Sky Train and headed down Sukhumvit. The BTS rates will vary depending on your stop. It should be between 15-60 Baht. You get a card for your fare. Easy way to bypass the traffic congestion in the city and saves time and money. I found that the Airport Rail Link stations have free wifi and are clean. Also a good way to interact with the locals.

If anyone is planning on going to Nana today / tonight it is closed due to the holiday and alcohol sales are scarce but can be found with a little digging. It's a ghost town. Beware of the Indian guy trying to sale watches. He's a pest and will follow you down Sukhumvit 4 asking "how much you money you got?

Due to the holiday some places are serving alcoholic beverages in coffee cups. LOL. I got a Chang beer and a Sangsom. I still love it.

I have been to Vovo I couple of times. Not cheap but I did really enjoy the VIP treatment in the office (and hospital).

The secretary setup is to my liking so I was wondering if it was possible to get FS. Does anyone have any experiences with that at Vovo (or other BJ bars)?

Should I talk to the front desk or just ask the provider?

I know there are plenty of massage parlos who have uniform options. But to my knowledge none of them has an office setup with chair and desk which plays an important part in this fantasy.

Any info would be appreciated.

Due to the holiday some places are serving alcoholic beverages in coffee cups. LOL. I got a Chang beer and a Sangsom. I still love it.

[QUOTE=WeingutFritz;3002975]I have been to Vovo I couple of times. Not cheap but I did really enjoy the VIP treatment in the office (and hospital).

The secretary setup is to my liking so I was wondering if it was possible to get FS. Does anyone have any experiences with that at Vovo (or other BJ bars)?

Should I talk to the front desk or just ask the provider?

I know there are plenty of massage parlos who have uniform options. But to my knowledge none of them has an office setup with chair and desk which plays an important part in this fantasy.

Any info would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]They don't offer FS otherwise they'd advertise it! To be sure for yourself ask the front desk, the worst they can do to you is say no. They do do variety on BJ such as you can ask for Facial and they do oblige from personal experience.

I do like Vovo too, but yes expensive for a BJ bar, nearly double some of the more well known! I would like to see them come up with some new themes at this stage, Nurse, Schoolgirl, secretary etc getting a bit boring after you have tried it. E. g they could do is air-hostess and maybe FS in the toilet the size of a 737 toilet!

I wouldn't say they get too much repeat business. I've visited maybe every 5-6 months.

Funny, it's a particular place that seem to not do line-up's if they are busy, they push you to the tablet, but the mamazen is particularly helpful. During the quiet times like the early afternoon they offer line up straight away but any time I've been there early on in the day there has only been 3-4 girls working, while in the evening it's maybe 10-12 girls.

The Thermae was closed tonight but there's a lot of women lined up along the sidewalk. Easy pickings. Lowest bid for ST is 2 K Baht. Short time hotel 350 Baht.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3003090]The Thermae was closed tonight but there's a lot of women lined up along the sidewalk. Easy pickings. Lowest bid for ST is 2 K Baht. Short time hotel 350 Baht.[/QUOTE]Which hotel is 350 baht?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3003090]The Thermae was closed tonight but there's a lot of women lined up along the sidewalk. Easy pickings. Lowest bid for ST is 2 K Baht. Short time hotel 350 Baht.[/QUOTE]Are you claiming that the Ruamchitt upstairs from Thermae offers short time rooms for 350 b? My experience is that the short time rooms are charged at 700 b for 2 hours. Or are you referring to another short time hotel? Appreciate the clarification. Thanks, AR.

Was in Bangkok in April here is my trip report:

Day 1:

Visited Hunny Bunny took Lucy, decent boobs got occasional DFK, BBBJ and light rimming. Worth the money.

Damage: 3.3 K.

WIR: Yes.

Day 2:

Was eating in McD Robimson Sukumvit around 10 PM, came out and saw FL's on the street just outside the McD. Approached a Viet discussed rates & went to near by hotel, overall decent experience LFK, CBJ and CIM.

Damage: 2 K ST.

WIR: Maybe.

Day 3:

Hunny Bunny again, took Spy, Best experience in BKK so far, DFK, BBBJ, Rimming and tried tried some weird positions as well LOL.

Damage: 3.3 K.

WIR: Yes.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3003199]Are you claiming that the Ruamchitt upstairs from Thermae offers short time rooms for 350 b? My experience is that the short time rooms are charged at 700 b for 2 hours. Or are you referring to another short time hotel? Appreciate the clarification. Thanks, AR.[/QUOTE]Great question. Sorry I didn't specify. The ST room was at a hotel down Sukhumvit about a 7 minutes walk away. Does anybody need a Rolex? LOL. Nana BTS Station is nearby to give you a reference point.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3002899]A convenient way to travel to and from BKK Airport is to use the Airport Rail Link. I used it last night and took it all the way to the last station (Phaya Thai) for only 45 Baht. You will get a token to use for your fare. From there I connected to the BTS Sky Train and headed down Sukhumvit. The BTS rates will vary depending on your stop. It should be between 15-60 Baht. You get a card for your fare. Easy way to bypass the traffic congestion in the city and saves time and money. I found that the Airport Rail Link stations have free wifi and are clean. Also a good way to interact with the locals.[/QUOTE]How easy is the connection at Phaya Thai if you have luggage?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3002899]A convenient way to travel to and from BKK Airport is to use the Airport Rail Link. I used it last night and took it all the way to the last station (Phaya Thai) for only 45 Baht. You will get a token to use for your fare. From there I connected to the BTS Sky Train and headed down Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]Depending on where you're going it might be better to get down at Makkasan station (35 bahts). It directly connects to the MRT station Petchaburi, which is only 1 station away from BTS Asok (17 bahts). The same station is called "Sukhumvit" when using the MRT and Asok when using the BTS.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3003216]Great question. Sorry I didn't specify. The ST room was at a hotel down Sukhumvit about a 7 minutes walk away. [/QUOTE]The only 350 bhat ST hotel in the vicinity I know is the Atlas Hotel on Soi 7/1. By the way, if anybody knows of any other ST hotels in the Sukhimvit Soi 7 to Soi 19 area (even on the other side of the road), do share by PM. I always like to have options since the Atlas can be full up from time to time. When it is full, I hate to wait or worse trudge to the ST hotels on Soi 4. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3003271]How easy is the connection at Phaya Thai if you have luggage?[/QUOTE]Well that depends on how much luggage that you have. I don't suggest taking any type of public transportation anywhere with a bunch luggage and if you know anything about Bangkok just imagine what it would be like taking Public Transportation during Rush Hour / Peak Times with a bunch of luggage.

Have you checked the Airport Link, BTS or MRT rail lines in Bangkok before? When I travel around the World, if there is a Rail Line connecting to a city system I usually take it. European cities are quite convenient and efficient at doing this.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3003283]The only 350 bhat ST hotel in the vicinity I know is the Atlas Hotel on Soi 7/1. By the way, if anybody knows of any other ST hotels in the Sukhimvit Soi 7 to Soi 19 area (even on the other side of the road), do share by PM. I always like to have options since the Atlas can be full up from time to time. When it is full, I hate to wait or worse trudge to the ST hotels on Soi 4. Enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]Thank you, yes that hotel is right up from the Wood Bar. I had some drinks down the street at the Orange Bar. Friendly Staff.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3003284]Well that depends on how much luggage that you have. I don't suggest taking any type of public transportation anywhere with a bunch luggage and if you know anything about Bangkok just imagine what it would be like taking Public Transportation during Rush Hour / Peak Times with a bunch of luggage.

Have you checked the Airport Link, BTS or MRT rail lines in Bangkok before? When I travel around the World, if there is a Rail Line connecting to a city system I usually take it. European cities are quite convenient and efficient at doing this.[/QUOTE]I typically do this with a backpack and a roller suitcase. If all the elevators are working it is doable. But take into account the heat. I go to Makkasan and change to the subway, works for me but would I do it daily? Certainly not. But during rush hour it saves you 1 to 2 hours. And at night I paid once 230 baht from the airport to Soi cowboy. So it depends.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3003284]Well that depends on how much luggage that you have. I don't suggest taking any type of public transportation anywhere with a bunch luggage and if you know anything about Bangkok just imagine what it would be like taking Public Transportation during Rush Hour / Peak Times with a bunch of luggage.

Have you checked the Airport Link, BTS or MRT rail lines in Bangkok before? When I travel around the World, if there is a Rail Line connecting to a city system I usually take it. European cities are quite convenient and efficient at doing this.[/QUOTE]I travel with a large case, which is why I usually take a cab from BKK to SUK. Not worried about the cost, but the traffic around the Asok junction can be a nightmare. I normally stay on SOI 8, but it is far easier with the traffic if you stay on the other side of the main road (Soi 11 area).

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3003311]I typically do this with a backpack and a roller suitcase. If all the elevators are working it is doable. But take into account the heat. I go to Makkasan and change to the subway, works for me but would I do it daily? Certainly not. But during rush hour it saves you 1 to 2 hours. And at night I paid once 230 baht from the airport to Soi cowboy. So it depends.[/QUOTE]That's exactly how I traveled the rail. One roller carry on piece and a backpack. I've seen guys at the airport with a cart full of luggage. Looked like they were moving to Thailand. I think that could be a lot to manage during rush hour on a rail line and hope elevators are working. Sometimes people are packed in there like sardines.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3003318]I travel with a large case, which is why I usually take a cab from BKK to SUK. Not worried about the cost, but the traffic around the Asok junction can be a nightmare. I normally stay on SOI 8, but it is far easier with the traffic if you stay on the other side of the main road (Soi 11 area).[/QUOTE]I think that it could be easier if your case has wheels on it and the lifts are working. That traffic in that area can be mad. Occasionally you see people walking around toting luggage. Taking the rail definitely saves time.

[QUOTE=Oogway;3003204]Was eating in McD Robimson Sukumvit around 10 PM, came out and saw FL's on the street just outside the McD. Approached a Viet discussed rates & went to near by hotel, overall decent experience LFK, [b]CBJ and CIM[/b].[/QUOTE]Great report! But I have to ask. How does CBJ CIM work exactly? Did she remove the condom as you were ejaculating to take the load in her mouth?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3003357]Great report! But I have to ask. How does CBJ CIM work exactly? Did she remove the condom as you were ejaculating to take the load in her mouth?[/QUOTE]I assume he still had the condom on when he shot his load 'in her mouth'.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3003477]I assume he still had the condom on when he shot his load 'in her mouth'.[/QUOTE]Really? Myself I had assumed his load was so strong that it blew the top of the condom to pieces as he shot, like a rocket heading for the moon, into her mouth.

Anyone else remember the scene in Hancock? CBJCIM is indeed a strange sounding thing, but I bet Hancock could have accomplished it.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3003318] I normally stay on SOI 8 [/QUOTE]I was on Soi 8 last night and debated on going to 8 Fantasy but didn't pull the trigger.

So most of the shops in soi 24/1 are permanently closed now, have they been able to relocate somewhere?

Had a look yesterday at night, very depressing to see.

Soi 26 seems to have picked up a bit too, a few newly opened "Snack & Karaoke" bars (for Japanese only? Don Quishot have been refurbished on the outside, a few new massage places further down the road too.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3003544]So most of the shops in soi 24/1 are permanently closed now, have they been able to relocate somewhere?

Had a look yesterday at night, very depressing to see.

Soi 26 seems to have picked up a bit too, a few newly opened "Snack & Karaoke" bars (for Japanese only? Don Quishot have been refurbished on the outside, a few new massage places further down the road too.[/QUOTE]Assuming this post would trigger a Boots-On-The-Ground verification request, I decided to cruise by on my rounds today and see it for myself. Maybe you were there on Coronation Days, Sunday and Monday, in which case some or most of those shops might have been closed for the holiday. But not permanently.

At 4 pm today, Wednesday, these are the shops I saw open and ready for business on Soi 24/1:

Candy.

Spicy.

Rose.

[B]B+B[/B], highlighted only because that is the only way I know of to prevent it from posting as be+be on this site.

Love Love.

Magic.

Snow White.

Dopu.

There were not many ladies sitting outside of those shops but each shop did have some sitting outside.

On the small sub-soi as you turn left off Soi 24 from Sukhumvit, these were the shops I saw open for business:

Orient.

Mango.

EZ.

Full Moon.

Butterfly.

Then around the small corner on the left:

102.

Addict.

These Soi 24 shops had many more girls sitting outside and lobbying for customers than the Soi 24/1 shops today. And better looking ones. But it is always possible the better looking girls at the Soi 24/1 shops were inside taking care of customers at the time.

In fact, if I had been in the mood for a buzz-killing non negotiable "No" to either Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ, DATY + BBFSCIP or a Real Blow Job / BBBJ+CIM+Swallow with one of the better lookers at the shops on Soi 24, I would have stayed long enough to pay the money upfront and hear it.

Although I have heard very good things from reliable sources about Butterfly and Full Moon on the former option.

But the more compelling reason I didn't decide to take a 1 in 100 chance of perhaps getting a reluctant and begrudging "ok" to one of those options for some notable extra amount of money with one of the genuine lookers in those other shop lineups is because I have an appointment tonight with a favorite Nana Plaza gogo girl and my Real Girlfriend is coming over after school on Friday to stay the night. And in both cases I know I will be pleasured with a truly tooth-rattling, delicious and satisfying finish the way I like it. And, to my eyes, both are definite head-turning lookers.

Hey, I'm 72 years old and been living here more than a decade. I prefer to skip a day between delicious and satisfying finishes now. Got to pace myself a bit. Unfortunately.

Anyway, that is my Boots-On-The-Ground report on the Happy Ending Shops on Soi 24/1 and Soi 24 off Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok on this day, Wednesday May 14,2025.

Sorry if this is a repeat response to the OP's report after my post has been held for several hours or a day for Moderation.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3003579]Hey, I'm 72 years old and been living here more than a decade. I prefer to skip a day between delicious and satisfying finishes now. Got to pace myself a bit.[/QUOTE]I know exactly how you feel.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3003506]Really? Myself I had assumed his load was so strong that it blew the top of the condom to pieces as he shot, like a rocket heading for the moon, into her mouth.

Anyone else remember the scene in Hancock? CBJCIM is indeed a strange sounding thing, but I bet Hancock could have accomplished it.[/QUOTE]LOL I wish I had that strong load super power XD.

Just to clarify CBJ and CIM didn't occur simultaneously (CBJ to get my Johnny up, then pumped her and made her take the load in mouth) XD.

At 4 pm today, Wednesday, these are the shops I saw open and ready for business on Soi 24/1:

Candy.

Spicy.

Rose.

[B]B+B[/B], highlighted only because that is the only way I know of to prevent it from posting as be+be on this site.

Love Love.

Magic.

Snow White.

Dopu.

There were not many ladies sitting outside of those shops but each shop did have some sitting outside.

Or have they just opened in a new location?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3003590]I know exactly how you feel.[/QUOTE]I am an every three or 4 days guy.

I'm getting old I have been smashing the same one for 3 weeks.

[QUOTE=TConor;3003655]At 4 pm today, Wednesday, these are the shops I saw open and ready for business on Soi 24/1:

Candy.

Spicy.

Rose.

[B]B+B[/B], highlighted only because that is the only way I know of to prevent it from posting as be+be on this site.

Love Love.

Magic.

Snow White.

Dopu.

There were not many ladies sitting outside of those shops but each shop did have some sitting outside.

Or have they just opened in a new location?[/QUOTE]I went to Boss on that soi several years ago but this time I did not see the name Boss on any of the shops that were open and didn't recall exactly which shop it used to be. If there were no lights on and no ladies sitting outside I didn't count that shop as being open. And it did seem to me there were new shop names on both of those sois that replaced the previous names. Boss might have been one of them.

[QUOTE=TConor;3003655]At 4 pm today, Wednesday, these are the shops I saw open and ready for business on Soi 24/1:

Candy.

Spicy.

Rose.

[B]B+B[/B], highlighted only because that is the only way I know of to prevent it from posting as be+be on this site.

Love Love.

Magic.

Snow White.

Dopu.

There were not many ladies sitting outside of those shops but each shop did have some sitting outside.

Or have they just opened in a new location?[/QUOTE]I went to Boss on that soi several years ago but don't remember exactly which shop location it was. I did not see that name on any of the open bars yesterday. But it seems to me there were new names I did not recognize on 2-3 of those Soi 24/1 and Soi 24 shops.

[QUOTE=TConor;3003655]At 4 pm today, Wednesday, these are the shops I saw open and ready for business on Soi 24/1:

Candy.

Spicy.

Rose.

[B]B+B[/B], highlighted only because that is the only way I know of to prevent it from posting as be+be on this site.

Love Love.

Magic.

Snow White.

Dopu.

There were not many ladies sitting outside of those shops but each shop did have some sitting outside.

Or have they just opened in a new location?[/QUOTE]All the shops are in the process of shutting down on 24/1. I assume the owner has sold the land and it is going to be developed soon. One of the questions, is 24/1 a private drive or a public road? If it is a private drive then development will be significantly easier. The plot of land it appears extends all the way back to the bank.

To answer your question, boss has moved to 33.

Dropped into the Thermae at about 9:30 pm. As usual the guy at the door directs you to go get a drink. I grab a Thai Tea with lemon. The place was getting pretty packed. I take a few laps around the track and check out over 100 ladies. Great selection but it's hard when you can't have all the ones that you want. They need to replace the flooring because alI the walking has worn it down in places. I only spot about 6 non-asian guys in the mix and the rest are Asian guys. The girls are throwing lots of smiles my way. I chat up a few and all reply with 3 K for ST. After a while I return to a stunner and negotiate 2. 5 K to seal the deal. She knows where a ST hotel is for 300 be but unfortunately there were no vacancies at the time. Trying to remember where it was. Winded up going to Atlas on 7/1.

Taking a side trip to The Philippines before I return to the Land of the Smiles (Thailand). Was thinking about hitting up Jakarta but decided on The Philippines this go around.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3003271]How easy is the connection at Phaya Thai if you have luggage?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3003311]I typically do this with a backpack and a roller suitcase. If all the elevators are working it is doable. But take into account the heat. I go to Makkasan and change to the subway, works for me but would I do it daily? Certainly not. But during rush hour it saves you 1 to 2 hours. And at night I paid once 230 baht from the airport to Soi cowboy. So it depends.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3003318]I travel with a large case, which is why I usually take a cab from BKK to SUK. Not worried about the cost, but the traffic around the Asok junction can be a nightmare. I normally stay on SOI 8, but it is far easier with the traffic if you stay on the other side of the main road (Soi 11 area).[/QUOTE]There are escalators as well on Phaya Thai. So if the elevators are not working, you don't have to drag your large case down a stairway.
But if the escalators are not working either, you're screwed. But personally I've never experienced them being out of order.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3003687]Dropped into the Thermae at about 9:30 pm. As usual the guy at the door directs you to go get a drink. I grab a Thai Tea with lemon. The place was getting pretty packed. I take a few laps around the track and check out over 100 ladies. Great selection but it's hard when you can't have all the ones that you want. They need to replace the flooring because alI the walking has worn it down in places. I only spot about 6 non-asian guys in the mix and the rest are Asian guys. The girls are throwing lots of smiles my way. I chat up a few and all reply with 3 K for ST. After a while I return to a stunner and negotiate 2. 5 K to seal the deal. She knows where a ST hotel is for 300 be but unfortunately there were no vacancies at the time. Trying to remember where it was. Winded up going to Atlas on 7/1.[/QUOTE]Of all the sights to behold you notice the floor!! What did you do on the worn floor. Fall flat on your face or something in front of the girls? Can't be anything as bad as trying to navigate some of the narrow paths etc on the Soi's, it's taking your life into your own hands every day.

Thermae is quoting 3,000. Must be the Trump effect.

4,000 at Rainbows barfining wasn't happening like before. Any reports of 3,000 at Rainbows. Not the Uglues the popular ones.

Orange Bar is Noice. Been during happy hours most of the times.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3003293]Thank you, yes that hotel is right up from the Wood Bar. I had some drinks down the street at the Orange Bar. Friendly Staff.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys, I will be visiting BKK next week. My first visit. I am staying at S15 right next door to Thermae. My question is: where can I find the non-Asian working girls? Is there a particular bar they might be found? From the threads, it seems like Thermae girls are about $2500-$3500 bht? How much should I expect to pay for non-Asians if I find them? How much are the girls standing on the street asking for? Hope my brothers and give some advice. I will arrive there next week. TIA.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3003670]All the shops are in the process of shutting down on 24/1. I assume the owner has sold the land and it is going to be developed soon. One of the questions, is 24/1 a private drive or a public road? If it is a private drive then development will be significantly easier. The plot of land it appears extends all the way back to the bank.

To answer your question, boss has moved to 33.[/QUOTE]SW moves to Soi 38 directly at the BTS. End of may or beginning of June.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3003848]Thermae is quoting 3,000. Must be the Trump effect.

4,000 at Rainbows barfining wasn't happening like before. Any reports of 3,000 at Rainbows. Not the Uglues the popular ones.[/QUOTE]I've taken 2 girls ST from Rainbow 5 in the past month. Both were 4000ST + 1000 BF.

At the less popular Gogos in Nana I still get quoted 3000ST + 1000 BF.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3003590]I know exactly how you feel.[/QUOTE]Not really BKK related of course but very interesting comments. I'm 62 and for the past few years have seen a decline whereby my refractory period has elongated. I felt blessed in my early 50's that I could repeat after a 2-3 hour rest. But those days have gone. I'm well sated now with one pop a day. I quite like the GCs in Pattaya and provided I'm there early afternoon then after a decent recovery period I can just about still get another off in the evening if the company is particularly alluring. An average looking girl isn't going to get me there for a 2nd pop. But even if I do have a day when I'm still able to enjoy two rounds, that is definitely not going to be repeated the next day when one shot is then definitely going to be enough. But I haven't yet got to a stage where I need a day off unless perhaps I've had 5-6 days of play in which case I might want a days rest almost to stop it becoming monotonous!

But not liking the sound of getting into my 70's. Whilst that's some years off for me it's making me think I should make the most of current capabilities / faculties perhaps more than I do!

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3003925]SW moves to Soi 38 directly at the BTS. End of may or beginning of June.[/QUOTE]And cofirmed the move and she thought area 24/1 was going to becoming a new condo location.

[QUOTE=MrRussell;3003923] My question is: where can I find the non-Asian working girls? Is there a particular bar they might be found? From the threads, it seems like Thermae girls are about $2500-$3500 bht? How much should I expect to pay for non-Asians if I find them? [/QUOTE]Europe, US, Australia, Africa is full of non Asian girls. Why are you going to Bangkok to look for them? If you must, the Indian clubs have Uzbeki and other CIS girls and there are always some African skanks along Sukhumvit.

Anybody have any recent information as to anything good out by the airport. Suvarnabhumi of course.

[QUOTE=TConor;3004082]was going to becoming a new condo location.[/QUOTE]Hope it doesn't end up like 'Tenth Avenue', or that bomb site opposite 'Sports Loft' on Soi 11.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3003848]Thermae is quoting 3,000.[/QUOTE]What Thermae girls are quoting and what they will accept is not necessarily the same thing. If only some knew not to take the first offer as a final offer, they might learn that there is often ample room for negotiation, either on price or terms. Some might want to get to a lower price. Some might want to get to "assured" terms for specific services. Depending on the outcome you desire, that should dictate your negotiating approach. Whatever the case, just because the girl has quoted a initial number you might consider high, I would encourage punters not to immediately bail, but go another round of discussion to see if there is flexibility.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3003999]IMO, only guys with more baht than brains pay these amounts. If dudes keep paying this, in another year it will be 2000 BF and 5000ST. And, for sure, idiots will be paying it.[/QUOTE]Whoa, please show your Price Police badge. Larbmoo555 should be granted his due process. Sam, I did scan the first few pages of your posts, but I couldn't find any specific field reports where you are showing your more brains than bhat techniques and experiences to get STs and lower barfines at Rainbow quality gogo venues at lower costs. Post a link in case I missed it, or better yet some juicy detail with pics.

Here is an example of a Soi Cowboy takeout. Pre-pandemic, 2500 bhat ST which included all the service bells and whistles that are important to me. Too pricey for some? Please feel free to reply with specific examples of gogo venues and providers that demonstrate you are getting better for less. I would love to learn more as that is why I am here. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3003670]All the shops are in the process of shutting down on 24/1. I assume the owner has sold the land and it is going to be developed soon. One of the questions, is 24/1 a private drive or a public road? If it is a private drive then development will be significantly easier. The plot of land it appears extends all the way back to the bank.

To answer your question, boss has moved to 33.[/QUOTE]All the massage joints on 24/1 are closing? This is probably the worst news I've heard in a while. My heart sank a bit when I read this. *sigh*, and I never got to go back to experience all these places for the last time. But it's Bangkok though, I believe there's hope that they will just move to somewhere else. I much prefer them to be all in one place, but I'll go to wherever they end up.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3004285]All the massage joints on 24/1 are closing? This is probably the worst news I've heard in a while. My heart sank a bit when I read this. *sigh*, and I never got to go back to experience all these places for the last time. But it's Bangkok though, I believe there's hope that they will just move to somewhere else. I much prefer them to be all in one place, but I'll go to wherever they end up.[/QUOTE]The places on 24 are still here, and going strong. I was there yesterday afternoon (2 pm) about 60 girls sitting outside all the various shops, and about 30 punters (of all races but Asian dominated).

Hopped to 33 and the sub-soi where 7 heaven is was also buzzing, but people walking in and out (I guess all busy or talent not good).

Akane had one girl sitting outside (Misato, a girl I remember taking like 15 years ago. She did not age well). Ended up in hunny bunny, mamasan is very nice and I booked for 90 mn 2,500 thb (2 shots) and the girl I got was a shorty but a Dynamo. Really enjoyed my session and it was money well spent. Please don't have a heart attack, I gave her a 500 tip because she was really great (Seeing her reaction, I'm not sure they do get many people tipping).

[I] No, I did not and will not share her name on purpose, as I want to go see her again [/I]

Went to 8 fantasy ([URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/UK4ihPxcNhr9jfpG9[/URL]) twice and was acceptable experience. It's down alley passed bunch of restaurants and in quiet area. You pay 2500, choose a girl from ipad and all the pics are photoshopped (can see them on the site), and first girl, Jina, was close and enjoyable. There's two Jinas, both 25 why, no silicone so not sure if they're the same. Second trip picked girl from ipad only to be told she's busy then picked another girl forgot her name who wasn't as close to photoshopped pic so wasn't as great but still decent (said she spent two months prior in osaka working but couldn't find what service). If going again, ask to see the girl after choosing instead, a few of them are usually sitting outside the lobby.

Also went to wonder a few times as that one is always good, pay 2300 and they bring out 10-15 girls to choose. You can also make reservation online.

Stayed at night hotel and wanted to visit Thermae but never did. Lots of girls hanging outside along street but didn't try any either.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3004290]The places on 24 are still here, and going strong. I was there yesterday afternoon (2 pm) about 60 girls sitting outside all the various shops, and about 30 punters (of all races but Asian dominated).

Hopped to 33 and the sub-soi where 7 heaven is was also buzzing, but people walking in and out (I guess all busy or talent not good).

Akane had one girl sitting outside (Misato, a girl I remember taking like 15 years ago. She did not age well). Ended up in hunny bunny, mamasan is very nice and I booked for 90 mn 2,500 thb (2 shots) and the girl I got was a shorty but a Dynamo. Really enjoyed my session and it was money well spent. Please don't have a heart attack, I gave her a 500 tip because she was really great (Seeing her reaction, I'm not sure they do get many people tipping).

[I] No, I did not and will not share her name on purpose, as I want to go see her again [/I][/QUOTE]I am sure she will wait for you exclusively. Hahaha but I think I know who it is she just deleted her old Line LOL. Just joking.

On HunnyBunny they have indeed a bunch of new girls but never take the old ones off their website. My MO is just asking Mama who is working that day and make a reservation. Unfortunately she is sometimes a little to business oriented and asks girls on their day off to come back.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3004127] What Thermae girls are quoting and what they will accept is not necessarily the same thing.[/QUOTE]This is true and they start out with 3 k but a lot of Thermae girls will go for 2.5 K if you make that offer. I was able to achieve this. I always make a counteroffer when negotiating. When the Thermae was closed one night last week all the Thermae girls were outside lined up on the sidewalk in front and I took one for 2 k after negotiations. ST hotel was 350 on 7/1.

I am visiting Thailand for the first time in November on a group tour to Bangkok and Phuket. I will be in Bangkok for 4 nights and Phuket for 3 nights. Although I'll be with the group for most of my trip, I will have 2 free days on my own. My question is, if I want to avoid the bars and clubs, are there any good escort sites or services you all recommend? I'm willing and able to pay a little more for good service. I looked up some escort sites and this one seems to be the only legit one, but I'm not sure. Since I'm with a group, I need to be a little more discreet. Any suggestions for a first timer?

[URL]https://escort-bkk.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MikeZilla2275;3004710]Any suggestions for a first timer?][/QUOTE]There is a thread dedicated to Bangkok Escort Agencies. ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2454-Bangkok-Escort-Agencies[/URL]). Kindly report on whatever experiences you have. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=MikeZilla2275;3004710]I am visiting Thailand for the first time in November on a group tour to Bangkok and Phuket. I will be in Bangkok for 4 nights and Phuket for 3 nights. Although I'll be with the group for most of my trip, I will have 2 free days on my own. My question is, if I want to avoid the bars and clubs, are there any good escort sites or services you all recommend? I'm willing and able to pay a little more for good service. I looked up some escort sites and this one seems to be the only legit one, but I'm not sure. Since I'm with a group, I need to be a little more discreet. Any suggestions for a first timer?

[URL]https://escort-bkk.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]First I think you should get the idea out of your head that clubs are not discreet. Anyone who is at Nana plaza say is playing the same game as you. You don't worry about being seen because you are on the same team!

Two problems with escorts. One it's the least discrete because she comes to your hotel and you likely have to meet her and check her in. Most likely scenario to run into colleagues. Two. You can get an escort anywhere. Do Bangkok for Bangkok sake. Gogos and soapies!

If you don't want to hit the glitz of Nana plaza do a high end massage place like Maria or Black Caviar or something (hint it's not massage and it's not some lame handjob). Doesn't get more discreet than this because you take an uber there and they are very carful for clients to not see each other. Not that it matters. See point 1.

[QUOTE=MikeZilla2275;3004710]I am visiting Thailand for the first time in November on a group tour to Bangkok and Phuket. I will be in Bangkok for 4 nights and Phuket for 3 nights. Although I'll be with the group for most of my trip, I will have 2 free days on my own. My question is, if I want to avoid the bars and clubs, are there any good escort sites or services you all recommend? I'm willing and able to pay a little more for good service. I looked up some escort sites and this one seems to be the only legit one, but I'm not sure. Since I'm with a group, I need to be a little more discreet. Any suggestions for a first timer?

[URL]https://escort-bkk.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]If you pay those prices in Thailand then you are either a rich guy or an idiot. Go down to Nana and get a freelancer. Don't be afraid to negotiate the price.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3004870] Go down to Nana and get a freelancer. .[/QUOTE]What do you mean a freelancer at Nana? Are you referring to girls in the go-go bars in Nana Plaza? Or girls walking the street in that general area?

[QUOTE=MikeZilla2275;3004710]I am visiting Thailand for the first time in November on a group tour to Bangkok and Phuket. I will be in Bangkok for 4 nights and Phuket for 3 nights. Although I'll be with the group for most of my trip, I will have 2 free days on my own. My question is, if I want to avoid the bars and clubs, are there any good escort sites or services you all recommend? I'm willing and able to pay a little more for good service. I looked up some escort sites and this one seems to be the only legit one, but I'm not sure. Since I'm with a group, I need to be a little more discreet. Any suggestions for a first timer?

[URL]https://escort-bkk.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]I've lived in Bangkok since January, I like the girls to come to me, I only use Bangkok escort agencies, they may be a little pricy, but so what. Escort High-end and Luxury, I've had good results from each, real pics & good service.

[QUOTE=MikeZilla2275;3004710]I am visiting Thailand for the first time in November on a group tour to Bangkok and Phuket. I will be in Bangkok for 4 nights and Phuket for 3 nights. Although I'll be with the group for most of my trip, I will have 2 free days on my own. My question is, if I want to avoid the bars and clubs, are there any good escort sites or services you all recommend? I'm willing and able to pay a little more for good service. I looked up some escort sites and this one seems to be the only legit one, but I'm not sure. Since I'm with a group, I need to be a little more discreet. Any suggestions for a first timer?

[URL]https://escort-bkk.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]These prices should be reported to TAT. But if it keeps guys like you off the streets where you'd over pay and jack those prices up. So be it.

[QUOTE=MikeZilla2275;3004710]I am visiting Thailand for the first time in November on a group tour to Bangkok and Phuket. I will be in Bangkok for 4 nights and Phuket for 3 nights. Although I'll be with the group for most of my trip, I will have 2 free days on my own. My question is, if I want to avoid the bars and clubs, are there any good escort sites or services you all recommend? I'm willing and able to pay a little more for good service. I looked up some escort sites and this one seems to be the only legit one, but I'm not sure. Since I'm with a group, I need to be a little more discreet. Any suggestions for a first timer?

[URL]https://escort-bkk.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]If you want to be discreet or rather worried about bumping into your colleagues with an escort in tow, then simply rent a 2nd hotel, you'll get a ok place for 40-50 bucks a night or you can even get a short-time hotel were you book for 1-2 hours. Google 'guest friendly hotels in BKK'.

Remember as well most of your colleagues will properly be playing the same game as you also!

Have visited Fantasy 8 couple of times, and had good experience. Don't recollect the names of the masseuses. But one was 25 and other 27 years old. The younger one had silicone implants and the other had a natural perfect boobies with many tattoos on her body. I remember paying 2000 be for the time. Both of them loved hard pounding and deep throat. Didn't ask about Greek, so don't know about it being offered. It is very adjacent to the hotel Promenade. I visited the spa in the morning after 11 AM and there were only 3/4 ladies available. This is a good option for those who want to spend on aesthetics (room quality and showers) and young good looking gals.

Cheers.

Dickaprio.

[QUOTE=Bhamham;3004429]Went to 8 fantasy You pay 2500, choose a girl from ipad and all the pics are photoshopped (can see them on the site), If going again, ask to see the girl after choosing instead, a few of them are usually sitting outside the lobby.

Also went to wonder a few times as that one is always good, pay 2300 and they bring out 10-15 girls to choose. You can also make reservation online.
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[QUOTE=MikeZilla2275;3004710]I am visiting Thailand for the first time in November on a group tour to Bangkok and Phuket. I will be in Bangkok for 4 nights and Phuket for 3 nights. Although I'll be with the group for most of my trip, I will have 2 free days on my own. My question is, if I want to avoid the bars and clubs, are there any good escort sites or services you all recommend? I'm willing and able to pay a little more for good service. I looked up some escort sites and this one seems to be the only legit one, but I'm not sure. Since I'm with a group, I need to be a little more discreet. Any suggestions for a first timer?

[URL]https://escort-bkk.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Discreet. Just get Thaifriendly. Have the girl meet you at your room. If you need to let her up in elevator just tell her to stand in lobby and follow a few steps behind you. You don't need to French kiss her in lobby. Or as other posts suggested rent a ST hotel room away from your co-workers.

In BKK you can literally just walk down NANA, speak to a street hooker for 3 minutes, tell her to meet you at your hotel or walk steps behind you etec etc etc.

Noone gives a shit in Thailand. 90% of the men you see are mongering. Probably including most of the men in your group.

Gents,

I'm a long time resident in Thailand but up until recently I hadn't mongered in Bkk since before the pandemic. So fair to say I'm out of touch with current prices and admit to.

Trying to hold onto the "very cheap, old days". So imagine my surprise 2 weeks ago when I hit Nana and soi 4 and started asking some gogo dancers their prices. For info, I'm 45 caucasian guy, fit body and average looking face, full head of hair. LOL. No stud, but not an ogre. I'm well aware that the girls will quote a very high price if they don't want to go with you, but I'm curious to know if I was quoted the going rate, or if they were taking the piss. I like LT, so asked an average looking, 22 year old dancer her LT price. 8,000 baht she said, as though it was a given. I near choked on my sangsom coke and had to hold back a laugh. With the 1,500 baht bar fine on top, that's near on 10,000 baht for LT. No negotiating, each girl stuck to that price, as though the girls have made a pact to get the "accepted" prices much higher. Or am I wrong, and this is the current rate for LT? Went out on the street into soi 4, hit a few FL's up, and got the same quote -8000 wtf! LOL.

So, regular mongers, if anyone could give me an update on going prices, that would be great. I'm not a cheap charlie, but I'm no mug either. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Dickaprio;3004961]Have visited Fantasy 8 couple of times, and had good experience. Don't recollect the names of the masseuses. But one was 25 and other 27 years old. The younger one had silicone implants and the other had a natural perfect boobies with many tattoos on her body. I remember paying 2000 be for the time. Both of them loved hard pounding and deep throat. Didn't ask about Greek, so don't know about it being offered. It is very adjacent to the hotel Promenade. I visited the spa in the morning after 11 AM and there were only 3/4 ladies available. This is a good option for those who want to spend on aesthetics (room quality and showers) and young good looking gals..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation. I had a great time there today for 2000 baht.

I booked a Smooci escort. Pics looked young and hot but she showed up 1 hour late, like 10 years older, heavier and worn out, hair and clothes disheveled, eyes watery and bloodshot. She was acting jerky, obviously high on drugs. I declined, gave her taxi money to leave. She acted up angry and loud in the hallway.

Note that escorts have to check in with the hotels, which will scan their IDs and attach them to your scanned passport photos for records, footprints I don't want.

Freelancers AKA street girls hang out on Soi 4 at all hours, day and night, about 3 dozens after dark of all sizes, shapes, skin colors. Selection is very good any time of the day. The largest group is in front of hotel Maison, #45 soi 4. Many hot Thai girls I would pop. Hot Viet girls were out early in the morning, talking loud among themselves. I bagged a Kazakh spinner, skinny, light skin like Euro, nice, clean, sweet, all natural. Walked her back to my hotel, had a full GFE, DFK, BBBJ, BBFS, long, hot, energetic session with her for 1,500 Bahts, one of the best sessions I had in Thailand. She and her hot friends work Soi 4 sporadically.

For me the best and most fun way is to rent a hotel room on Soi 4 near Nana Plaza, walk bar girls and freelancers / street girls to hotel for sex or to any bar / restaurants nearby to drink and eat. You will also see how locals live at food stands in that area, lots of food options. I met a few stunning local girls and bar girls in street clothes without make up walking Soi 4 for breakfast or lunch before work time.

From Soi 4 you can walk to BTS' Nana or Ruamchitt stops and tour the city throughout, quick, clean and cheap. You can walk North on soi 3 to the Khlong and take water taxis all the way West to Old Town, Khao San and the Chao Phraya' water taxi docks, nice, quick, cool, authentic Thais' lifestyle, quicker and nicer than sitting in slow, polluting road traffic. I also took quick water taxis East to Sukhumvit Soi 55 for FIWFANS girls, some of the hottest and nicest girls in Thailand. I am still coming back for them.

In Bangkok I avoid bar girls, gogo girls, Thai Friendly and escorts. Not worth the risks, the annoying baits and switches, my time and money.

[QUOTE=Anzac;3005012]Gents,

I'm a long time resident in Thailand but up until recently I hadn't mongered in Bkk since before the pandemic. So fair to say I'm out of touch with current prices and admit to.

Trying to hold onto the "very cheap, old days". So imagine my surprise 2 weeks ago when I hit Nana and soi 4 and started asking some gogo dancers their prices. For info, I'm 45 caucasian guy, fit body and average looking face, full head of hair. LOL. No stud, but not an ogre. I'm well aware that the girls will quote a very high price if they don't want to go with you, but I'm curious to know if I was quoted the going rate, or if they were taking the piss. I like LT, so asked an average looking, 22 year old dancer her LT price. 8,000 baht she said, as though it was a given. I near choked on my sangsom coke and had to hold back a laugh. With the 1,500 baht bar fine on top, that's near on 10,000 baht for LT. No negotiating, each girl stuck to that price, as though the girls have made a pact to get the "accepted" prices much higher. Or am I wrong, and this is the current rate for LT? Went out on the street into soi 4, hit a few FL's up, and got the same quote -8000 wtf! LOL.

So, regular mongers, if anyone could give me an update on going prices, that would be great. I'm not a cheap charlie, but I'm no mug either. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I was just there a few weeks ago. Went to nana about 3 x's, mostly went straight to billboard on the 3rd floor in the corner. Barfine was 1 k and the girl was quoted 8 k. So expensive these days and the mamasans are super aggressive. They even wanted me to pay upfront, then count the money in front of the girl, then pass it to her which I thought was weird. Maybe theres been an influx of scammy customers that don't pony up the money after doing the deed?

[QUOTE=Anzac;3005012]I like LT, so asked an average looking, 22 year old dancer her LT price. 8,000 baht she said, as though it was a given. I near choked on my sangsom coke and had to hold back a laugh. With the 1,500 baht bar fine on top, that's near on 10,000 baht for LT. No negotiating, each girl stuck to that price, as though the girls have made a pact to get the "accepted" prices much higher. Or am I wrong, and this is the current rate for LT? Went out on the street into soi 4, hit a few FL's up, and got the same quote -8000 wtf! LOL.

So, regular mongers, if anyone could give me an update on going prices, that would be great. I'm not a cheap charlie, but I'm no mug either. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yes I live here too and 7-8 k is fairly normal for LT these days in Bangkok. If it's late and girls are desperate, they may go lower. I've never paid LT, not worth it these days. When I ST a girl at 2-3 am they usually stay LT anyways for the price of ST.

One thing though, 1500 is too high a barfine for anywhere in Nana Plaza. Should be 1000 at most.

Hi.

Dies anyone know how to find a lactating or pregnant working girl?

I am staying at Nana. Day afrer, I have to leave hotel for airport by 0530 morning to take my flight back. Befor that I want to have a quickie session in the morning hours. What are the options available at that time. Looking for pointeres from experinced brothers.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3005095]I am staying at Nana. Day afrer, I have to leave hotel for airport by 0530 morning to take my flight back. Befor that I want to have a quickie session in the morning hours. What are the options available at that time. Looking for pointeres from experinced brothers.[/QUOTE]Grab one off the street.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3005095]I am staying at Nana. Day afrer, I have to leave hotel for airport by 0530 morning to take my flight back. Befor that I want to have a quickie session in the morning hours. What are the options available at that time. Looking for pointeres from experinced brothers.[/QUOTE]

Soi 4 streetwalkers are still out and about until 6am or so, although they thin out around 4am. Plenty of nice Vietnamese and Africans around there, a few Thais too, but not so attractive. Expect to pay 1000-1500 for ST. Make an offer, if you ask they'll quote 2000 or more.

As a fan of the original Beer Garden / Biergarten on Soi 7 I was happy but also sad to see its spirit survives, in a way, at the north edge of the noisy neon jungle. One pool table, one bar, maybe a dozen barstools scattered about. And just a few friendly aging freelancers, no barfine required, and no lady drink surcharge. No food menu and it doesn't seem to get moving until dark.