Go For women that have already been vetted for safer experiences
[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2781206]You all are amazing.
Cablecar -- I can totally picture myself in your shoes. Glad you didn't get held up at gunpoint!
Hothof -- great perspective. I know very little Spanish and this was very helpful information. The plaza sounds like fun but also like it could go wrong very fast. And then you're trapped in a strange room with a strange woman and anybody else can come into the room and then you're in trouble. Best for a gringo to avoid, unfortunately.
The coffee shops seem like the best bet but not worth traveling to Santiago for.
I have 2 months to kill so am thinking of Arg / Brazil / Colombia.[/QUOTE]I've been here for a couple weeks and my start has been slow as I am relatively cheap and looking for safe options. The culture here is not always like some popular mongering countries where you can do video calls or meet the woman in person before you commit to anything. I won't claim to be as knowledgeable as some of the Santiago vets on this forum (and by the way I am very grateful for those that have posted), but it is of my opinion that most of the mongering game is done discreetly underground in Santiago. Well at least the more cost effective, more controllable options. When dealing online, sometimes you literally don't get to see the person's entire face until you're literally opening the door to their apartment. It's not always like that though, but sometimes it can be the case.
I feel like I am starting to understand what works for me = Pre-vetted women on the local forums. USAinEurope, while I will not suggest this place is better than the other countries you listed, I highly suggest you check out SectorVIP. CL before making a decision. This website is littered with women, many of which have numerous experience reviews that are very thorough. Rompelo. CL forum has a good forum to find women with good reviews (shout to the user that suggested looking for the pre-vetted women with good experiences on there). But for numerous reasons I think Sectorvip is much better. Everything is much more organized, all the info you need to see is centralized on sectorvip. When you deal with a woman, initial interactions can seem off-putting when you compare it to other countries at times, but when you actually meet them you can receive A-1 service; very professional and very hygenic. I'll give a brief summary of my most recent experience.
Found woman that I liked that had good reviews. Talked to her on whatsapp briefly where the responses at times weren't immediate, but were reasonable enough speed. She gave me a schedule and eventually I locked into a time. She gave me the address, upon arrival she gave me the apartment number and told me to check-in with front desk (personally I kinda like the check-in at the desk because to me it suggests they care about security -- The front desk people clearly know what the woman is doing). I don't like to walk around with physical passport for obvious reasons, I keep copy instead. Gave copy to the receptionist, he did not like that it was a copy, after he asked for physical and I told him I don't have, I believe he called the woman I came to see and then he gave me the all clear. When I got upstairs to the room and she let me in she told me that typically you need physical ID -- news to me as I have stayed in roughy 7 different places and dealt with numerous other businesses that required ID and none of them complained or even hesitated when I showed paper copy of passport. Anyway.
Upon getting into the apartment, it was a very clean and organized space (after the session we talked and she later confirmed the space was strictly for business and was not her personal residence). She sat me down and we briefly went over the rules and she asked me what I would like and what I wouldn't like. It was almost like I was ordering at a restaurant LOL, it was all so structured. Personally one of the more structured experiences I have had of this kind in my life. Hygiene is taken serious with many of the women in Chile so I was ordered to go to the shower, wash my private area and arm pits, then spray axe body spray on both areas. If I wanted kisses I needed to use the toothpaste with my fingers to clean my teeth and use the mouthwash after. She gave me a disposable towel. Make no mistake this business was being run like a well oiled-machine! LOL. After coming out of the room, she cleaned off my the with a wipe of some sort and thoroughly inspected it. Apparently I passed the hygiene test because they will not do uncovered BJ (sin preservativo) if you're hygiene is not good. She kissed my head as a nice gesture and from there we kissed deeply on the bed for several minutes full tongue and all, she was not shy at all here. Uncovered BJ followed, not all world quality, but def was def good and included spit and saliva, and it was not rushed.
Then to the action. Sidenote, she did set a timer for 1 HR on her phone, which is respectable and fair. I don't believe it was set from the time of my exact arrival, maybe slightly after but I have no qualms with the alloted time I was given.
Intercourse did not last as long as I preferred as she outdueled me and I didn't pace myself properly LOL. Props to her, she won that round, I'll give her that LOL. I rushed to pull out and go for the money shot (they call it oral americana here), but I didn't make it in time and ended up spraying all on her body. She did her best to try to get her mouth there in time, and it was def no fault of hers that I missed. We had a good laugh about it then we laid in the bed together and just had nice convo afterwards for a bit. She was a nice girl. The women can seem cold on whatsapp and even in person (just from looks), but when you actually get to talk to them in person they can be really nice, nurturing and caring people in my experiences. With time still left she randomly asks me if I want more oral, in other words she attempted to resuscitate me for round 2. I want to make it clear that she did not try to rush me after I was done round one, she never checked the clock once, and I never requested for a round two, out of sheer quality customer service she went for it. Personally I'm not a fast recharger, but she seemed like she just genuinely wanted to eat more the so I said why not go for it LOL. It felt good but my the was dead, after eating for a minute or two we chuckle about how I'm not coming back to life and then we just lay together in bed and talk more. Eventually the timer on her phone goes off, but we prolly talk for a few minutes there after organically and then she's like okay that's your time.
Damage was 45000 pesos. I gave her 5000 tip, she was not expecting a tip and she never once asked me for a tip. She was a nice girl and had great customer service. She did not offer anal (sometimes called greco) but many on the forum do. She said I can pull her hair and I lightly smacked her ass a few times without asking and she didn't even flinch. It was fun and very professional.
Elsilencio. CL has reviews on many of their women, but its mostly for the woman where the damage is often double or more then what I paid. I didn't find many women at all in the price range I paid that had reviews on elsilencio. Not to say there's nothing wrong with paying more for those women, just stating what I saw. Personally I was willing to pay 100-120000 pesos in worse case scenario if I only trusted the vetted profiles on elsilencio, but after finding sectorvip I just felt like the mongering was so much more cost effective. I appreciated the customer service and the environment they attempt to create in the name of safe, fun times. Another thing I like about the forums of the three sites I mentioned is that often times the women will chime in on their review posts (as typical on other review places like google reviews). It just creates a more trustworthy environment. I had a friend that had got baited and switched online, and when he arrived the place also operated as casa instead of the domain of an independent worker. It wasn't an experience he liked much at all to be short. FWIW, he did not go with a pre-vetted woman.
And if it wasn't clear, the woman I saw, the reviews were correct, she met the expectations I had based on pictures and reviews, and it was definitely not a bait and switch. You can def score predictably with relative ease on a site like sectorvip if your budget is lower and you are looking for pre-vetted women.
Hope this helps, but yeah, if you are looking for safer, fun times, without the pressures of buying drinks or dances, I strongly suggest you hit a site that has sometype of forum that shows the reviews of the girls and go with that.
FWIW, sites like tinder and Badoo (there are not many great lookers IMO on badoo) did not work for me I was not getting much matches. Personally I believe it's because I am African American but that's a different topic. I did get some good traction with profiles on seeking arrangements and mysugardaddy but obviously I did not want to commit money just to converse with those women. I met a couple real women on the street that I could've pursued but they just weren't up to my standards to really give me the motivation to pursue them aggressively. They definitely wanted to see me though. With some confidence and patience, I think you def can find real women out and about (and I don't mean streetwalkers, which are easy to identify IMO) if that's the angle you want to take. You can do real cheap dates like laying in the park and / or ice cream, which are both staples of Chilean culture.
Trip winding down -- give Chile a chance!
I want to give a little background about myself just so you know where I'm coming from. I don't consider myself a hardcore mongerer. I did not come to Chile just for mongering, I came largely for other reasons. I wanted a unique experience that no one else I knew could say they've had. I felt like Chile was one of the safer Latin American countries, the weather was optimal, there were no covid restrictions of any sort, cost of living not the cheapest but it was fair. The cost of the flight compared to other places around the world was a value to me at the time. Originally I had a ticket booked for Peru but they spiraled into civil unrest so had to kill that. Chile has a lot of geographical features I find interesting. And of course there is a mongering world. There's various other reasons like I didn't like the whole drugging culture of Colombia at the moment, but yeah, point is I wasn't solely driven by mongering. I just wanted to live like a normal citizen in another country and learn the cultural nuances.
It took me some time to crack the code but I can honestly say I'm having great experiences on Sectorvip. CL. I will say my last experience was a bit subpar, and tbh honest I took a chance on a woman who did not have reviews to my knowledge just because she was running a promo and Sundays are generally slower days for the entire working class in Chile (its a cultural thing). Even still I wouldn't label it a terrible experience, she wasn't a bad hearted girl just a bit unprofessional, a little bit deceptive, and was a bit scatterbrain. She was a teen and I just felt like she's learning the ropes in the game and wasn't fully committed nor did she understand the best way to run her business at that point. It's okay, she'll be better, she was receptive to all the feedback I gave and we had good conversation about it, she actually cared about how I felt about the service. She did have pros too though, it wasn't all cons.
But with that said I really think, if you know what to do out here this is a great mongering country. I'm not claiming its the best but it's worth a run, and the large reason why is the Chilean women. I feel Chileans don't emigrate as much as Haitians, Venezuelans, Colombians, and Peruvians. I just don't think you can predictably find them in the other countries you would typically go to like that. I mean if you love Venezuelans you can pretty much rest assure through south America and some of the islands in the Caribbean you will find them with ease, so the fact it's not necessarily safe to go to Venezuela doesn't stop your access to them. I haven't really seen Chilean women in other places like that.
The Chilean women are mostly going to be known for their lighter / fairer skin complexion; long, full, free flowing hair often times to their booty; their discretion and their passionate GFE. They profile as long backs, and their booties sit lower and the curves on their booties are a bit different from other Latinos, but once you learn their body structure you learn to appreciate it. They aren't clock watchers, many of them love to kiss deeply with no limits, and they are known for their "contactos ilimitados" or in other words, you can blow your load as many times as you want in your alotted time and their won't be complains. They are definitely not shy about going multiple rounds and will usually initiate the next rounds. They are often very submissive. Make no mistake about it, these women are really into the action too and you can tell they enjoy it. They can def have a deep sex drive and they are not huge on plastic surgery like say Colombians. The bodies you tend to get are natural.
They have managed to create a standard that includes money shots, unlimited rounds per session with all the positions you like, deep tongue kissing, dine at the why if you like, oral with no condom depending hygiene. This is like the standard. And at least on Sector VIP its a young woman's game. You can def find sites that do the older women, but a site like sector is flooded with 18-29 year olds with 27-29 being on the rarer side. These women love to please and if you like long hair and meat on the bones from doggie its definitely a whole lot to like here. Its an absolutely gorgeous view IMO. Prices vary based on exchange rates but I ended up paying on avg 50-65.
Tail action "colita" or "sexo anal" is here but it is usually upcharged. You can get good rates on it but for the large majority of women it's not considered normal service. Golden showers and rimming are available LOL but its an atypical service that will cost you, but I'll say you'll be surprised what you can package together on certain women for under $100, and if you willing to go to $150 you really have a lot of things at your disposal. FWIW I was quoted an additional 20 K pesos (25 at the time) for golden shower by one so there's that. Overnight services are rare and / or tend to be very costly. Its just usually not going to be the cost effective thing to do online but I def wouldn't doubt as some have mentioned if you find the right girl somewhere the rules can bend for you.
The off-putting things I would say is the initial communication can be slow at times. Scheduling isn't like a huge problem, but it's nowhere as easy as a place like Thailand or Dominican Republic. They don't just tend to be waiting at your beckoning call. Sometimes the communication is so slow it's common to be talking to many women at once if you require urgent action. As a person from another country, I felt like they could be more helpful. It's like they assume you know Chile as well as the lingo and it's many mongering terms I never even heard of like black kiss, and Cleopatra's hug. I've had instances trying to confirm simple things and woman is like "I'm bored just hit me when your ready". Well how am I supposed to be ready if I can't even clarify basic things with you. Then I show her a promo she listed that same day and she refuses to honor it and goes on to say she can't because she "has a full agenda" and I'm thinking I thought you just said you were bored LOL smh. Many times the women are not independent, which is okay, but the optics of that can trip people out when you know someone else is likely chilling in a dark room next to you listening to everything as security (which is exactly what Jackalex mentioned, and that's understandable and fair because the women do need protection and as long as they dogs aren't "biting" people unprovoked (like in Plaza Armas for example) it's no real concern). Sometimes its managed better than others. Of course the concept of not fully seeing a woman's face until you meet them can be off-putting. I mean you can see blurred pics or partial pics and you can start getting an idea but flat out clear face pics are not always a given here. Also they do use a good amount of filters and they hide flaws with certain types of outfits so you have to be observant for that. There is a tendency I've seen to go above and beyond for their classified ad pictures, but underdeliver in terms of the outfit they show up for you with. Good news with most of this stuff though is once you get past the entry hurdles, and it's just you and them, in my experiences on avg, its like a switch flips and all that passive and guarded stuff goes out the window and they are all yours. Its unbelievable actually how it can go from a cold introduction to feeling like you've known each other for years.
But yeah I know I've filled this thread enough on this page, just wanted to give back because I felt like I got a lot of good information that helped me find my way here. Obviously my choice of attack is the online portals, and that is not the only way to do the job here, but the bottom line is these Chileans are worth the trip. Find your niche, get into a groove, and you can enjoy it here. You'll get a safe, discreet, and structured experience if you go about it the right way, full of what feels like genuine love. Then after you leave they detach and go right back to being cold, lmao its funny. They don't forget you though, its just funny to me how easily they can flip the switch and a play the role that you want with ease and then turn it right back off when the time is up. IDK man, the natural hair and bodies, the focus on good hygiene practices, the structured experience (they do things in an outlined order but it flows so well), the submissive, nurturing and caring attitude, the customer service in delivering a GFE experience. The packaging, delivery, and women are just all unique the way they do it here. Not claiming its the best, but its just a different experience to me and I think its one worth doing if you can.
Thanks for the detailed info!
[QUOTE=HotHof;2794801]As an African American I did not get much traction on apps like Tinder and Badoo. Weren't many great lookers on Badoo, def some nice looking women on Tinder. I swiped a great amount I feel, but I just couldn't get really any matches. I don't think I got more than one or two and one wasn't even from Latin America. I do think my race played a factor in this scenario. I def don't consider myself ugly, but I probably didn't do a great job with my profile in terms of marketing it for what women may look for out there. So maybe I didn't look as interesting, IDK. Also I didn't pay for any gold subscriptions so I couldn't hide my age, which I'm not sure is a factor out there or not, but I'm pushing 40, just saying...[/QUOTE]Thanks very much for the detailed info, HotHof! I genuinely appreciate it. I, being a brown / Sri Lankan person myself, doubt if I would get any traction on dating apps. I am from the USA as well and I didn't have much luck even here LOL. My race's image isn't great either pretty much world over, so I doubt our image would be great over there. I would be confused with immigrants as well I guess.
However, it is good to know you had luck in seeking arrangement and also on SectorVIP girls. WGs don't take me as clients here so that's good. I am learning Spanish, not necessarily to find women, but to explore South America and travel and visit the cultural heritage sites.
I will definitely post my experiences here. Thanks again, HotHof!
First morning in Santiago
I am staying in Centro and did a neighborhood walk from 10-1.
Plaza Armas: Some very gorda (fat) girls in the central square. So went for a real coffee and came back. Fun scene. Old guy hollering about Jesus while a guy smokes weed while police and a crowd surround another hollering guy (something about a dump truck) and prostitutes look bored. So I sat for a minute and watched everything while a toothless old guy next to me on the bench gummed an ice cream stick. Not overrun with nothing but working girls (like in Medellin) so can chill there for a bit and not get hassled. I didn't see anyone I liked so went on to check out some cafes.
Went to Black's Beer and was more like a strip club. RTTF.
So then peeked into another blacked out door around the corner and. Strip club. Except here there was a girl in a slingshot bikini and her tetas grandes were in full display. She wasn't attractive but was nice to see some tiddies. Left immediately with a chorus of SENOR! SENOR! Behind me.
Malls here are funny in that they are designed like a circular parking garage -- round and round you go. I had seen the Galeria de Santiago nearby had lower level blacked out doors and neon "CAFE" signs so went to check them out. I entered via the door nearest to Plaza Armas. First places as you descend had one old lady and one very fat lady. No tiddies hanging out. Left quickly. Went to the next one down the row in a "corner. " Unattractive. Next was Café con Piernas Karina (the first door you get to -- I think there's also a Café con Piernas Karina 2) and the girl was FUCKING HOT! Topless, fit skinny (not skanky meth skinny), great ass (not fake), perfect long straight pelo negro, wow! An incredible beauty. Bottle of water was 3000, dance was 5000 (took me out on the little stool even and let me suck her nips) and then asked if I wanted sex for 100,000. I laughed and said, "No! No soy un estipido gringo!" The price immediately dropped to 50 k (reasonable enough) and we moved like 2 feet behind a "curtain" that didn't hide anything. Her colleague looked at us while we both got ass naked and got a CBJ and CFS. Make sure to bring your own -- their condoms are about as thin as a porterhouse.
Now it's about 92 degrees so am taking a siesta.
Chilerelax Condoms are not reusable
I am been mongering for a long time all over the world and never have I been this disgusted or freaked out. I when to Chilerelax and found a beatrix. BTW pictures are fake none of it is real.
I show up and it was a 1 bedroom apartment I was like cool. Safe XYZ awesome. I didn't know but there were 2 more girls out sitting on the balcony with the last dude that was just there. I went in took a show and was ready to go. She pulled out the condom so that I could not see it and it sounded like she opened up the package. After we finished I went to the bathroom and took a show and she washed the thing out and rolled it back up.
I asked her what she was doing and she said checking for holes. I confronted her and she said ohhhh no we don't reuse them. There was no wrapper or anything. She pushed me out the balcony and the sliding door opened and another dude walked right into the bedroom we were just in with another girl. On the balcony was another chick answering the what's apps.
Has anyone ever had someone reuse a condom? What are the Chances of an STD with a reused condom?