Manila

Gentlemen,

This discussion about pinay wanting to make babies with foreigners is mostly rubbish. Mostly as a result of your social conditioning.

It is the genetic imperative for every female, of every species, to mate and reproduce as often as possible. Whether it is dogs, cats, humans or crocodiles. Preservation of the species. Western society has been infused with the feminist rhetoric that having children is an unnecessary burden on the woman who wants to have it all.

Filipina are much closer to nature than are most western women. They have less layers on their sociological onion. I have posted about this in the past. So the desire of pinay to have children is normal; it is natural.

There is nothing in nature that says that the pinay must be married to the father of her children. That is a sociological construct. What is natural, is that the pinay will seek to mate with the male who has the best genetics that she can find. Indicators of superior genetics in males includes physical strength, high body symmetry, power. Filipinos see caucasians as being of superior power, because we are. Same for Koreans, Japanese. Money is an indicator, also, military superiority is an indicator of superior genetics. So, for the pinay on the lower rungs of the sociological ladder, having offspring by a caucasian father is a normal, natural response, and will produce a child with better genetics than its mother. Classical.

If I remember correctly, pinay of mixed race are banned from the Miss Philippines beauty contests because they have an unfair advantage, that is, they have superior genetics.

The features that we see as common to beautiful women include high body symmetry, long legs, straight nose, balanced breasts, wider spacing of eyes. Men naturally look at women's breasts, because symmetrical breasts are good indicators of good genetics. Unfortunately for us men, women wear bras to create synthetic symmetry of their breasts. And they wear high heels to create an image of longer legs.

When western women take the contraceptive pill, they change their body's chemistry, fooling the body to think that she is pregnant. A pregnant woman looks to settle down with a different type of male, than if her hormones are natural. Pinay generally do not take the contraceptive pill, and hence their mate-seeking criteria are much closer to the natural state of homo sapiens.

For what it is worth.

Gangles

Having worked and lived in a number of countries and cultures around the world, I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a country, or culture, which is not racist. It is more a matter of degree. Some cultures are more racist than others.

In my observation, the most racist people that I have worked with are black Americans, and Australian aboriginals. To them, race is everything.

In many countries, racism is legally sanctioned. A Filipino can take out Australian citizenship, but an Australian can not take out Filipino citizenship. A Filipino can buy land in Australia, but an Australian can not buy land in the Philippines. Same for all Asian countries, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, etc etc. This is legislated racism. When I work with Koreans in the Phils, their attitude of racial superiority over filipinos is self evident.

In Australia, my identity is "non indigenous"; that is, I am identified as not being aboriginal, rather than what my race actually is. Many of our government forms, and legal documents, require me to identify if I am aboriginal, that is, my race. Therefore Australia is, by definition, by legislation, a racist country.

I think that many western countries are the same. But it also seems that western countries, in general, are less racist than the rest of the world.

So I suggest that we do not beat up filipinos as being racist, any more that our own countries and / or cultures.

Gangles

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1305611]If you are talking about specific people in certain situations then I could buy in to your comments but if your saying the vast majority in most or all situations then I have to say it's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You can't possibly speak about a whole country of people based on some articles. I could show you 100 other articles that would state the exact opposite. I have spent a lot of time in Asia, have a home in China, and live with the locals in many countries and have seen none of what your claiming to be true. There's a big difference between stereotyping people and being racist. http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2007/09/12/what-asians-think-of-each-other-and-america/[/QUOTE]

When my Filipina wife of 7 years first came to the US, I introduced her to some friends, one of whom was a black man. My wife casually commented to me,"Oh, he's such a nice Nigger guy." I was absolutely floored by the cavalier way she said that, and asked my wife why she would call such a nice man a "Nigger," which we all know as an outrageously racist and derogatory term.

It turned out that my wife never intended any sort of insult, nor did she hold any negative view of black people. It was simply that, where she was from, the term "Nigger" was just another word for "Negro," and was a common way to describe a black person. Of course, I told her that in this country, the term "Nigger" is a terribly insulting term, and that she should NEVER use that word, or she would be labeled a racist. My wife apologize profusely, and has never said that word again. Today, she has many black coworkers and friends, and there is not a racist bone in her body.

So, I don't think that Filipinos are necessarily "racist," per se, they are simply uneducated, given the fact that there are not a lot of black people in the Philippines, especially in the provinces, although there are many darker skinned Filipinos.

RG

Well said, my friend. All people, by definition, are racist. It is one of the ways humans categorize: right or wrong or indifferent. As a whilte American, I, too, notice that many black Americans make a bigger deal out of their color than other colors but who am I to judge? Meanwhile, while we are in a foreign country let us ENJOY their culture and stop thinking it is inferior or superior and just accept it for what it is. I am thankful the Filipino culture, comparatively, produces such loving, sexy female creatures; and that it why I will probably move there when I retire. The USA is declining rapidly.

[QUOTE=Gangles; 1305651]Having worked and lived in a number of countries and cultures around the world, I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a country, or culture, which is not racist. It is more a matter of degree. Some cultures are more racist than others.

In my observation, the most racist people that I have worked with are black Americans, and Australian aboriginals. To them, race is everything.

In many countries, racism is legally sanctioned. A Filipino can take out Australian citizenship, but an Australian can not take out Filipino citizenship. A Filipino can buy land in Australia, but an Australian can not buy land in the Philippines. Same for all Asian countries, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, etc etc. This is legislated racism. When I work with Koreans in the Phils, their attitude of racial superiority over filipinos is self evident.

In Australia, my identity is "non indigenous"; that is, I am identified as not being aboriginal, rather than what my race actually is. Many of our government forms, and legal documents, require me to identify if I am aboriginal, that is, my race. Therefore Australia is, by definition, by legislation, a racist country.

I think that many western countries are the same. But it also seems that western countries, in general, are less racist than the rest of the world.

So I suggest that we do not beat up filipinos as being racist, any more that our own countries and / or cultures.

Gangles[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Radical Guy; 1305829]When my Filipina wife of 7 years first came to the US, I introduced her to some friends, one of whom was a black man. My wife casually commented to me,"Oh, he's such a nice Nigger guy." I was absolutely floored by the cavalier way she said that, and asked my wife why she would call such a nice man a "Nigger," which we all know as an outrageously racist and derogatory term.

So, I don't think that Filipinos are necessarily "racist," per se, they are simply uneducated, given the fact that there are not a lot of black people in the Philippines, especially in the provinces, although there are many darker skinned Filipinos.

RG[/QUOTE]Interesting. The term has been around for longer than we've been alive. I've heard it used in many different geographical locations, in the same manner as your wife used it. Its not used as a slur, its used to depict or describe a black person (much the same way pinoy use the term 'kano': "How's your kano doing?"). Interesting that your western definition sees it as derogatory. I have family in one part of the US. They still use the term a lot. RG you called it 'outrageously racist and derogatory term. ' To my family there (but not my family in another part of the country) , they use it like your wife did, and they use it often. It does not always carry the negative connotation you described. Racism comes in different forms. Black people use the term here more than anyone.

A related item about pinay. There is a girl in phils I had been hammering for several years. She loves sex. Age 22 at the time. A night or two here, a night or two there. Always the same routine, a few drinks, the karaoke bar so she and her friends can sing, or live band, then back to whatever hotel I'm at for a bunch of evening and morning glory. Breakfast, and off she goes. A few years ago we leave the bar and hop in the taxi. I tell the driver the name of the hotel, and the girl freaks out."No! Not there! I have relatives who work there!" So what? We've been doing this for years now."So the door guys will know me and tell my family. I cannot be seen with you!" What. The. F*ck? Why not? We've been going around for years now in public."Because my family find out I met a foreigner they will kill me. Kick me out to the curb!" She was dead serious. Your family is racist then?"Yes of course. This is the way they are. I never tell them that I met a foreigner. They would not allow it." Interesting, her friends knew me, but her family was never aware that she had met a foreigner. What do you tell your family you are doing when you spend time with me?"I lie them tell them I'm visit friend." Oh, how easily they can deceive, and how they can recognize and tolerate racism. Family means everything, and at the same time, nothing.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1305625]Am glad am in the blue category. I think my eyes have got me lots of sweet lays![/QUOTE]I agree FF. When you lie there and they comment that you have such blue eyes you know that you are onto a w inner. But I have had the same discussion with friends not cuties WC about the dominance of brown in the mix.

Would not be good to spread that information although I am keen to spread the need that they should have a smoothe shaved pussy (despite David33 objections on this subject. LOL)

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1305918]Interesting. The term has been around for longer than we've been alive. I've heard it used in many different geographical locations, in the same manner as your wife used it. Its not used as a slur, its used to depict or describe a black person (much the same way pinoy use the term 'kano': "How's your kano doing?"). Interesting that your western definition sees it as derogatory. I have family in one part of the US. They still use the term a lot. RG you called it 'outrageously racist and derogatory term. ' To my family there (but not my family in another part of the country) , they use it like your wife did, and they use it often. It does not always carry the negative connotation you described. Racism comes in different forms. Black people use the term here more than anyone.[/QUOTE]Really? I don't know of any place in the United States where African Americans would think it is acceptable for whites to call them by that term. Even in the Deep South that term is considered a violent racial slur reminiscent of lynching and whites riding around in white sheets and pointy hats terrorizing the African American population. The term is still in use among racist whites when referring to black people but never when speaking to them unless used as a slur or while committing a hate crime.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1305651]In my observation, the most racist people that I have worked with are black Americans, and Australian aboriginals. To them, race is everything.[/QUOTE]Well, you have to look at it in context. Both groups have been the victims of genocide and terrible atrocities at the hands of whites. Can you really blame them if they keep looking over their shoulder? While Australians whites are some of the most hospitable and fun people to work with, many still refer to aboriginals as 'coons. ' Races or ethnicities who suffer terrible atrocities at the hands of another race or ethnicity often use it as a reference point when dealing with those who belong to the persecuting group. So, you can say that to a Jew being Jewish is everything when dealing with the descendants of the Nazis.

[QUOTE=Radical Guy; 1305829]When my Filipina wife of 7 years first came to the US, I introduced her to some friends, one of whom was a black man. My wife casually commented to me,"Oh, he's such a nice Nigger guy." I was absolutely floored by the cavalier way she said that, and asked my wife why she would call such a nice man a "Nigger," which we all know as an outrageously racist and derogatory term.

It turned out that my wife never intended any sort of insult, nor did she hold any negative view of black people. It was simply that, where she was from, the term "Nigger" was just another word for "Negro," and was a common way to describe a black person. RG[/QUOTE]My father in law used to use the word in a similar fashion. To him it was just a means of describing a person of colour with no malice or racism intended.

I never heard what he called me tho. The poriner son in law.

[QUOTE=Gangles; 1305644]. < SNIP

If I remember correctly, pinay of mixed race are banned from the Miss Philippines beauty contests because they have an unfair advantage, that is, they have superior genetics.[/QUOTE]Not true G.

Virtually every one of the women who get through to the final round have mixed blood, whether Phil-Am, Phil-Aus, Phil-Brit etc.

A majority of the major show-business stars have mixed blood too. Some of them cannot even speak Tagalog, and they take crash courses to learn the language when they come to the Phils to gain fame (eg Ann Curtis, Solenn Heusaff to name just two)

Same with the so-called Phils representative sports teams in Basketball and Football (Soccer). Virtually ALL players in both codes have mixed parentage and, in fact, many actually reside overseas.

Pinoys know this. It is yet another reason why they want mixed blood babies.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1305985]Really? I don't know of any place in the United States where African Americans would think it is acceptable for whites to call them by that term. Even in the Deep South that term is considered a violent racial slur reminiscent of lynching and whites riding around in white sheets and pointy hats terrorizing the African American population. The term is still in use among racist whites when referring to black people but never when speaking to them unless used as a slur or while committing a hate crime.[/QUOTE]Really. CM I think you are generalizing. This got off the Manila topic. I will PM you.

In another sense, you are correct. We don't walk down the street and dish that out regularly.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1305985]Well, you have to look at it in context. Both groups have been the victims of genocide and terrible atrocities at the hands of whites. Can you really blame them if they keep looking over their shoulder? While Australians whites are some of the most hospitable and fun people to work with, many still refer to aboriginals as 'coons. ' Races or ethnicities who suffer terrible atrocities at the hands of another race or ethnicity often use it as a reference point when dealing with those who belong to the persecuting group. So, you can say that to a Jew being Jewish is everything when dealing with the descendants of the Nazis.[/QUOTE]Concur. The same way blacks in america are very distrusting of the police (and the justice system, for good reason. Centuries of abuse) , many white people here just don't understand that.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1305187]One of my Pinay had a friend in town for one night only. Said friend is a female police chief in metro Manila. We took my cousin with us for a double date. While they were hitting it off well, she told my cousin that if they (assuming she meant people above her) knew she was with a black guy then her career would be ruined. I've never experienced any prejudice while dealing with Filipinos so when my cousin told me that she had said this I was a bit curious. Any one care to chime in?[/QUOTE]Her higher-ups may be suckers of the stereotypes linking black people to criminal lifestyles. My take is that hooking up with a brotha would ruin her career because of a perceived conflict of interest. A law enforcement officer with personal ties to the criminal underworld would be scandalous, indeed.

I was once stopped in Robinson's Malate by two salesladies trying to turn me on to a skin whitening cream. I politely declined and stressed that I was happy with my natural complexion, but the bubbleheads couldn't connect the dots. They then offered the cream at a special discount just for me because I definitely needed it. Yup, you guessed it right. I'm black.

I should point out that my experiences in the Phils normally range from good to great. In random encounters, however, I've learned to keep my expectations dialed to 'low', and my sense of humor dialed to 'high'.

Ok that was good! The only thing I could add is you should have suggested they come to your room and apply the cream in person.

That is one thing in Phil that impresses me and pisses me off at the same time is the continuess effort to sell you something and they just don't give up. I remember working at a car lot selling cars when I was in college and this one Filipino guy that was in the states just 2 years would out sell everyone. He was not tallented but he just kept selling and would never give up.

[QUOTE=Gumby2004; 1306016]I was once stopped in Robinson's Malate by two salesladies trying to turn me on to a skin whitening cream. I politely declined and stressed that I was happy with my natural complexion, but the bubbleheads couldn't connect the dots. They then offered the cream at a special discount just for me because I definitely needed it. Yup, you guessed it right. I'm black.

I should point out that my experiences in the Phils normally range from good to great. In random encounters, however, I've learned to keep my expectations dialed to 'low', and my sense of humor dialed to 'high'.[/QUOTE]

I love it when Asians ask this honkey where he is from. Really amuses me no end when I respond that I'm from Africa. They will just not believe me. Bola Bola. To them I'm either European, Aus or American. Understandable really.

Where I come from Gumby is green! Great post, thanks for the chuckle.

(are you sure those salesladies weren't just having a little fun?)

[QUOTE=Gumby2004; 1306016]Her higher-ups may be suckers of the stereotypes linking black people to criminal lifestyles. My take is that hooking up with a brotha would ruin her career because of a perceived conflict of interest. A law enforcement officer with personal ties to the criminal underworld would be scandalous, indeed.

I was once stopped in Robinson's Malate by two salesladies trying to turn me on to a skin whitening cream. I politely declined and stressed that I was happy with my natural complexion, but the bubbleheads couldn't connect the dots. They then offered the cream at a special discount just for me because I definitely needed it. Yup, you guessed it right. I'm black.

I should point out that my experiences in the Phils normally range from good to great. In random encounters, however, I've learned to keep my expectations dialed to 'low', and my sense of humor dialed to 'high'.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1305985]Really? While Australians whites are some of the most hospitable and fun people to work with, many still refer to aboriginals as 'coons.[/QUOTE]Really? Where did you pick up that piece of misinformation. Your getting mixed up with a brand of Australian Cheese. See Wikipedia below. Coons might have been used by the British Colonisers 100 or so years ago, but I've never heard it in my life time. It can be mildly derogatory to refer to aborigines as "abo's". Depends on context, if such expression is considered mildly insulting or not. They always refer to me as aborigine, never "abo". Nice cheese, harmless expression, LOL.

Wikipedia :

Coon, an abbreviation for fur from raccoons and racoon dogs.

Coon, an alternative name for Maine Coon.

Coöand (&922; &972; &969; &957; , &922; &972; &969; &957; &959; &962, a Trojan warrior who fought in the Trojan War.

Coon cheese, is the trademark of a cheddar cheese produced by the Dairy Farmers company in Australia.

Coon Carnival, a yearly minstrel festival in Cape Town, South Africa.

"The Coon", an episode of USA animated series South Park