Jakarta

[QUOTE=Bartle;1656086]About 50% of the time girls in travel are willing to bareback with me. I found that girls at Melawi hotel go BB 100% of the time and are OK with things like Anal on occasion. But the price there is 600 k and the girls are dogs (my finding).

To get a girl to BB I use foreplay. Firstly touching then fanny stimulation then a bit with the mouth to make her slippery and finally brisk action with finger in her **** and thumb over the clitoris. The last girl I did there was hot didn't stop me slipping it in after this treatment. She told me to cum outside. After a few minutes fucking she told me to cum inside. Another trick is to tell a girl she is beautiful or that you love her. Those seem to be stimulating sucker words for the female of the species.[/QUOTE]In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656171]In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.[/QUOTE]I've always tipped quite well for good performers in Travel, but after the session. Do you negotiate the rip for BB at the start of the session?

Also is there a post somewhere mentioning names / locations of some of these other Kota places? I keep seeing mentions of them on here but not specifics.

I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1656318]I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant?[/QUOTE]Immigrant isn't a place known for working girls, but you may get the odd ayam every now and then. Have you tried CJ's in Hotel Mulia?

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656171]In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.[/QUOTE]Very useful information. Thanks. How much tip do you offer the girl before the session starts in Travel and the like? I never thought about doing that before.

What are the other places in Kota where you can change the girl for demanding a condom? The management agree to that or do you just say she is no good? What is your approach to management?

I won't bother with foreign imports. I am going to spend a night in KL before hitting Jakarta. I will fuck a skinny teen Viet girl at one of the MPs there. The cost is 168 MYR for a fuck. That is the only good mongering thing for me in KL. I find Beach club over priced and a hassle.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1656318]I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I think you will want a "wing man" for immigrant. You have all of the hassle of picking up a non-pro girl and then you have to pay for it. It doesn't make sense to me. But I wish you joy.

I eschew BATS etc. As I think they are a waste of time. You have to go and hang out for hours in an expensive venue. Many of the girls are dogs and so your experience will be hit and miss. I got bored at 1 am last time I went there and left. Passed three super attractive girls entering the hotel who told me to turn around. But I was bored with wasting my time over fat / ugly girls for so long. In the straight sex transaction places you get cunts on demand. The strip joints sound nice to liven things up. Aside from that the online dating sites look very interesting. I am dirty old man and the first search I enter is "from ages 18 to 20". The way the west is going that will earn you a jail sentence in a few years.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656171]In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.[/QUOTE]How up to date is your information on Kota places and Travel? From what I have been told (by a papa-san around five months ago) there have been NGO's accompanied by government officials going around to many of the places telling them they need to enforce condom usage or else. And I heard from a friend who visited more recently that some of the usual suspects are complying with this rather strictly. Then again the pendulum could swing back or maybe already has.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1656350]How up to date is your information on Kota places and Travel? From what I have been told (by a papa-san around five months ago) there have been NGO's accompanied by government officials going around to many of the places telling them they need to enforce condom usage or else.[/QUOTE]Or else what? It's not like they can just kick them out. They do have a certain quota to fill.

The NGOs are powerless and can't fix something as complicated as this.

With all the bureaucracy going around to get simple things done as it is, I doubt that story is real.

My information about getting 100% (with the exception of import talent at Malio, Alexis and Classic) is up to date and accurate, since I live here and monger on a daily basis. And have been doing so for the past 3 or 4 years.

By the way, it's the same for freelancers too, not just Kota places (I. E. BATS, Blok M, CJ's etc.). Bareback is 100% guaranteed if you are patient and know how to play it right.

One thing you should know is, it's an extremely competitive market here and definitely to our advantage as mongers, so insisting on condom or turning down a client is not in their best interest because they know the next girl will gladly do it bareback with you. Besides, it's no secret that the local men don't use them anyway (though the girls like to pretend everyone uses them to give the impression they are clean).

[QUOTE=Canyon;1656318]I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I don't see any advantage for you to go there if you don't want a freebie. Its a club more like Dragonfly X2 etc where you could go to meet a freebie.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1656318]I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. [/QUOTE]An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. Those places have strictly prostitutes. Immigrant is a whole different world. If you want to try it, Immigrant is in EX (EX is connected to Plaza Indonesia at the Grand Hyatt hotel). Just find the movie theater in that mall and you will easily find Immigrant.

[QUOTE=Bartle;1656347]Very useful information. Thanks. How much tip do you offer the girl before the session starts in Travel and the like? I never thought about doing that before.

What are the other places in Kota where you can change the girl for demanding a condom? The management agree to that or do you just say she is no good? What is your approach to management?[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl. If she's obviously a popular girl and gets a lot of clients, getting her to go bareback gets harder. So the tip is higher also. But standard tip is always 100 k.

Tipping is always negotiated as soon as she starts demanding condom and gives the usual "harus pake kondom" blabber. And you pay at the end.

I can't say which places you are allowed to change the girl for fear they'll suddenly get overwhelmed by mongers who abuse this policy, but believe me it is possible. You deal with the mamasan or papasan directly in case you want to change the girl, but you may need to have established an already good relationship with them (I. E. Stay with the same mamasan always when you go, be a regular client and tip her every now and then).

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656358].Bareback is 100% guaranteed if you are patient and know how to play it right.

[/QUOTE]Well as I suggested things have changed and you have confirmed this. Until relatively recently being patient and knowing how to play it right was not part of the equation.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656358]With all the bureaucracy going around to get simple things done as it is, I doubt that story is real.[/QUOTE]

This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. Moreover, I have known this papa-san for years and doubt he would make this story up. At the same time, places like LABar, in a different area (Penjay), were putting significant pressure on their girls to use condoms, as I and others quite familiar with the Jakarta scene observed on recent occasions. I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to be (unless one goes to freelancers, or perhaps Maribaya (which I gave up on sometime ago for other reasons)). And although as I suggested earlier it is possible this will pass, there are some bars that had been very easy, but have become rather difficult to go bareback.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1656502]An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. .[/QUOTE]At a place like Hotel Classic or Travel this is a sight you may very well see. And, who knows it could be fast Eddie himself.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1656613]This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. [/QUOTE]These anti-HIV posters have been there for years in most establishments.

[QUOTE]I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to be[/QUOTE]Do you tip them as much as they ask during the negotiation process? Do you pick a girl and just straight up head to the room or do you sit with her and do some chit chat and sweet talk? Do you offer to buy her drinks and cigarettes? How is your Bahasa and are you patient / persistent enough to get them to change their mind?

I still say it's 100%. Definitely can't say the same for Thailand.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1656613]Well as I suggested things have changed and you have confirmed this. Until relatively recently being patient and knowing how to play it right was not part of the equation.



This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. Moreover, I have known this papa-san for years and doubt he would make this story up. At the same time, places like LABar, in a different area (Penjay), were putting significant pressure on their girls to use condoms, as I and others quite familiar with the Jakarta scene observed on recent occasions. I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to be (unless one goes to freelancers, or perhaps Maribaya (which I gave up on sometime ago for other reasons)). And although as I suggested earlier it is possible this will pass, there are some bars that had been very easy, but have become rather difficult to go bareback.[/QUOTE]

I think it mostly depends on the location.
I never used a condom in the VIP room in D's or with girls (dancers) I took home from D's. Same with Maribaya girls or Top Gun girls.
Kartika girls use condoms as a matter of course.

Regards,
Ko.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1656502]An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. Those places have strictly prostitutes. <SNIP> [/QUOTE]

:-D

Regards,

Ko.