Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Fargler;3017186]I'd like to add my thanks to SpinnerHunter for this report. This is the first I've read that clearly answered my questions. As a pensioner I don't spend $300 US in one night very often, but when I do it will be nice to have a bottle in front of me, all the time I want to drink, and an endless selection of tarts.

You're right. A wing man would bring that price down. Also, I can't get very far into a bottle anymore before I need help with my keys. So splitting that with your mate sounds perfect.

Fargler.[/QUOTE]2100 was for a 1 L bottle. We only finished half, since some girls were drinking beers that were reasonably priced and included in my 7200 tab. Mama said she would keep my bottle for me for next time So deduct 1 k from my tab if we want to count bhats 😊.

Also if you want to keep costs way down on previous trips where I have spent time downstairs in the common area I've seen a few guys who just buy 1 or 2 beers, sit a girl for 30 min then take her for ST.

Much cheaper than Nana for similar quality but many tded girls are from the Laos countryside and prob much lower mileage.

My advice is just dress decent, be well groomed, smile and be friendly, tip a little and you will be welcomed.

[QUOTE=Fargler;3016992]Thanks for laughing with me, 11 Bush! I really feel I've gotten way more OUT of this sub than I have contributed, and look for opportunities to provide value into it. I suppose a bad report also provides value, its just not as fun as a good report.[/QUOTE]You know the difference between a fairy tale and a war story? A fairy tale starts out, "Once Upon a Time... ". A war story starts out, "Shit, I was there... " Those bad punts make great war stories (after a certain period of time, of course). Like I said, thanks for taking the time to post.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3017140]Great Review. And FYI, the 5 K was the same as saying no without saying no.[/QUOTE]LOL. I guess the 4k girl was only slightly less repulsed by me then.

I stopped by Tharme today too some hours ago, as I was eating dinner nearby. I need to find and save Nyezhov's excellent Thermae map to orientate myself before next time, as again I walked around without clue and only good luck stopped me from getting lost.

Did one round this time, without seeing anyone I liked very much, and then just hang out by the entrance inside for a while, looking, and thinking I will make another round soon, then go home, until I noticed a well shaped girl of around 24-25 I guess. She was standing at what would be five o'clock if you're standing in the middle, with the back to the exit. Close to the entrance on the right hand side. I will have to find the map and see what kind of hookers occupy this area normally.

"Hello, how are you? Good, what about you? Good. Go short-time? Yes. 2500 ok? Yes, where you stay? <soi a five minute taxi ride away . Ok. " Out we went, at which point I noticed the reason I thought her legs looked somewhat longer and more shapely than average was because the black dress she was wearing was so short that from behind, the lower part of her ass was was showing slightly. I'd rate her as a 7, but have to deduct a point because of the rather low-class dress. Almost made her look like a 'ho.

Service was good, though she insisted on covered sex, to the extent I sent her packing to get the condoms from the nearest 7-11, rather than admitting I have enough in my room to open shop. She was not amused, and managed to call some guy to come and deliver it instead. Not sure if there's some campaign going around or what, but seems almost every p4p girl I'm meeting on this holiday in Bangkok is insisting on condoms. Almost makes me feel my daily prep regime and vasectomy was a bit wasted.

She kindly left me the remainder of the condom packet she bought for our sensual love making, saying she was staying with family so she could not take it with her. Did not wai when I paid her.

IMO quality at Thermae isn't very great these days. Yesterday I saw two girls I thought attractive, but they both rejected me. Today only one, though at least she did not reject me. Not sure when I'll drop by next time.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017061]G: "short-time is 5000". [/QUOTE]As [B]NicFrenchy[/B] said, those OTT prices are the polite "no... but if you insist." Take it as a complement you were acknowledged. I've been standing in front of a BFL, asking the same question, and... and... and... and... and... AND THEN I realize, damn, I've got my invisibility cloak on, and the Cone of Silence has been lowered. I'm just "clutter" on her search radar. Fine by me. I certainly don't want to be in a room with someone who doesn't want to be there. Saves me time and money.

Great posts. Respect.

BTW: You sure it was admin that disappeared your FR? IME, a post outside the lines usually just gets blue-inked. On the other hand, I've had a post that I thought was posted to not be there when I looked. And given I OFTEN run afoul of the auto-correct, auto formatting, I usually have to edit the original post. Not saying it wasn't root, but...

Hello mongers.

I'll be in bkk in Aug after a pretty long gap. Since I'm in for 2 days in bkk and 2 days in patt, and apart from massage I want to try some freelancers.

And since pick ups can be a hit or miss, and not enough time, I'm looking for help. Can anyone please DM me any good trusted thai FL in bkk and pattaya, contact who is good looking and young.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;3017321]
BTW: You sure it was admin that disappeared your FR? IME, a post outside the lines usually just gets blue-inked. On the other hand, I've had a post that I thought was posted to not be there when I looked. And given I OFTEN run afoul of the auto-correct, auto formatting, I usually have to edit the original post. Not saying it wasn't root, but...[/QUOTE]Yeah. You can always click on "view forum posts", after clicking your own username, to see if the post was instead moved somewhere else, after you posted it. Some guys replied to the post before it was removed too if I remember right, but if you clicked "view original posts" on their reply, it went nowhere.

The heavy-handed moderation and deletion of posts make things less interesting here than they were before, IMO.

This is the best video describing the dangers and disconnect an expatriate will experience in countries of the third world (Thailand in this case) and why such popular tourist countries are made only for the short term fun vacations.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPZKbAWHvc[/URL]

Can you share this Nyezhov's excellent Thermae map when you do find it.

Are you on PREP 365 days? What are you on?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017253]LOL. I guess the 4k girl was only slightly less repulsed by me then.

I stopped by Tharme today too some hours ago, as I was eating dinner nearby. I need to find and save Nyezhov's excellent Thermae map to orientate myself before next time, as again I walked around without clue and only good luck stopped me from getting lost.
.[/QUOTE]

Recently I visited secret kiss for the first time, arriving a few hours after they open (they open at 14:00). I selected the regular blowjob for 1300, though from their menu you can select various other things and pay upto 500 extra for that (cum on boobs, cum on face, cum on foot? Cum on this and cum on that. I don't remember the details since none of that is something I'm interested in paying extra for). At the time there were three staff only available, and I had to choose from their tablet, but the manageress said that after I had choosen, she would show me the girl live too. Easier and faster to see them all live at once of course, but this is ok too.

I choose one, was shown her live, and asked to see another one. At this time the manageress informed me one more had become available, no, two more, and shortly thereafter an asian gentleman was exiting the shop, explaining the sudden availability of at least one more girl, and if he chose two girls, the availability of two more girls. Due to my own squirmishness I however restricted myself to the original three girls, as the dude who exited was no known friend of mine.

Next girl I wanted to see used the name Sprite, and she was ok to me. I paid the 1300 and up we went. Visually, I'll say she was around 6 to me, but young (22-23?), slim, and with a pleasant enough personality. The girl at Vovo, the one time I went there, was more to my liking visually, but that's just my personal preference.

The procedure itself was: up to the room, wait for the girl to get her things, she washes me on some weird shower chair, then showers herself while I lay down on the bed. Next she comes out, starts the standard licking of my nipples that for some reason all thai sex shops think I want, but which I actually don't want, so I gently push her down to junior. She sucks dick, making a good effort, though is unable to go deep. I move her head to my balls, and she then continues licking/sucking my balls until I politely move her head back my dick.

At one point during the ball licking she was interrupted for some reason and had to get up from the bed, and professionally enough, when back on the bed, she continued licking balls, just as she was doing before the interruption. I felt somewhat impressed by this.

Objectivally, based on my one visit to each place, I think the quality of the girls is about the same, but the reason secret kiss is preferred to me is:

A) the amenities in the room. While not the Marriot M hotel on Soi 22, these are better than any other BJ-bar rooms I've seen. They do have some weird set-up for washing your genitalia, which it seems all BJ-bars must have for some reason, but in addition to that, there is also a perfectly normal shower in the same room that you can use if you like, which is great.

- There is a proper bed you can lay comfortably down on, with a mirror wall next to it so you can watch the girl suck your dick from different angles. I could not get comfortable on the Vovo sofa (even Wood's one-person sofa chair is better), and much more prefer to lay down on a bed anyway.

B) the service. The service from the girl was good, with a very respectful washing and drying of myself both before and after. The main activity, the BJ, was also done well, with the girl appearing much more interested in providing good service than the vovo-girl. Based on her moans while sucking my dick and balls, I will also speculate that she, like the lovely Linda Lovelace, also had an orgasm or two while working. Sadly, while she made a considerably bigger effort at giving good head than the vovo girl, her skills were still somewhat lacking. Even then, while the vovo girl could only go down to one third of Werqweq jr, this girl could go down to at least 2/5th's, which if nothing else, is a modest improvement.

Even after having frequented various BJ-bars for a handful of years now, I still find it slightly bizarre that a girl who sucks 5 different dicks every day (said she had 4-5 customers per day usually) sucks no better, and worse than many, random massage girls in regular, non-sex, massage shops. Unfortunately, I'm not in the group that feels technique triumphs everything else, and like a tight rope walker, you can just avoid looking down. I need someone that is visually pleasing to the eyes as well, which both Vovo and secret kiss provides, while you have to be pretty lucky to find it in the other BJ-shops.

- A BJ-bar expert on the SMF-forum, with apparently some insider info, has reported that the girls at this shop are instructed to keep sucking as you CIM, rather than try to run away as soon as they feel the first bullet shooting out. This was indeed the case with Sprite, who kept sucking till I was all done. My feeling was that at least this girl had received some instructions and training on how to please the customer, and was making an effort at it.

- While the girl at Vovo kept her top on, the secret kiss girl takes it off. It does not matter very much to me personally, though it's a nice touch that does not cost anything.

- Sprite seemed much friendlier and less mechanical than the vovo girl, her fake moans notwithstanding (they were not so annoying that I had to tell her to shut up though, as I've had to do at other places), but with only one visit to Vovo so far, I don't know if that's a general thing, or I just met the vovo girl on a bad day / she did not like me / other girls there are friendlier / whatever reason.

The price at secret kiss was 1300, so 100 baht cheaper than vovo. As I'm writing this I wonder if perhaps there was 10 minutes less time allotted at secret kiss than vovo (30 minutes vs 40 minutes), but I'm not sure at all if I'm remembering that right.

I did not get any indication FS is available here, but I did not make any attempt at going for it either.

All in all, a pleasant experience and I'll probably return now and then. Perhaps I'll ask next time if any of the girls working at the time are more able to deepthroat than others, as my last two BJ-bar experiences have been a bit subpar in that regard. Perhaps it's only due to bad luck, as I unfortunately don't think junior has grown much in recent months, and non-BJ-bar girls do not seem to have any more problems than before.

The location of Vovo is quite a bit better though. It's on the soi opposite of Empshpere's main entrance, a 10 minute walk from one of the newest and hippest shopping malls. You will also pass a dozen other sex shops on the way, though I did see two-three other sex shops next to secret kiss also.

Wood Bar.

This report will surprise no one.

I showed up sober, when the sun was still up, and wearing my glasses to see if I could find a new girl. Line-up was better than I remembered? Last time I went, there were a couple of absolute UGLIES that spoiled the bunch. Not this time. Nothing special mind you, but nothing that made your dick shrivel. Funny that one troll can deflate my libido and lower my opinion of every girl there.

Found a 45 year old with a face I liked, and paid the 1000 baht entrance fee. Upstairs she washed me front and back, sat me down in the chair, and got to work. She followed instructions well and spent some time titty fucking me (at my request). A good portion of the time was spent with her taking in as much as she could, staying down, and rubbing her tongue back and forth. And she took most of it.

No rushing. She had her eye on the clock and chose her pace to finish me using all the time allotted. Nice. 200 baht tip for proper clock management.

These old girls know how to suck dick. I'm done wasting my time at Vovo, 7-heaven, Secret Kiss with sexy young girls that can't perform.

Fargler.

[QUOTE=CaliTraveler;3017343]This is the best video describing the dangers and disconnect an expatriate will experience in countries of the third world (Thailand in this case) and why such popular tourist countries are made only for the short term fun vacations.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPZKbAWHvc[/URL][/QUOTE]A ridiculous video full of BS. But some may be fooled.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017433]I did not get any indication FS is available here, but I did not make any attempt at going for it either.[/QUOTE]It is available for 2,200 thb, and 60 mn session.

[QUOTE=CaliTraveler;3017343]This is the best video describing the dangers and disconnect an expatriate will experience in countries of the third world (Thailand in this case) and why such popular tourist countries are made only for the short term fun vacations.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPZKbAWHvc[/URL][/QUOTE]This is so full of extreme lies it is shocking. I don't get the reason or motive for this. The guy must have put all his chips on "00" in some scheme and lost. One bitter ol man. I know it's not all butterflies and roses, but you can take his calculations down by 80%.

[QUOTE=CaliTraveler;3017343]This is the best video describing the dangers and disconnect an expatriate will experience in countries of the third world (Thailand in this case) and why such popular tourist countries are made only for the short term fun vacations.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPZKbAWHvc[/URL][/QUOTE]I agree with Montecristo and Tconor. That video is like a comic horror story.

$600-$700 USD per month for electricity? Maybe if you own an 8 unit condo complex and pick up the tab for everyone.

I live comfortably in a lower Sukhumvit apartment with a nice view of the city, fitness center, pool, laundry machine on the balcony, have my air conditioner set at 25 see at least 18-20 hours per day, essentially whenever I am in, and rent, electricity, water, personal router internet, phone service and all paper goods, shampoo, soap, mouthwash, toothpaste, etc, etc, etc combined is rarely as much as $700 USD per month.

And I know I could start fresh in a brand new condo / apartment complex within a 15 minute skytrain ride of this location today, also with a good fitness center and pool, for the same amount per month or less.

That highly pitched bit about all income being taxed if you live here 180 days or more has still never materialized for any expat I know who comes from a country with a no double tax treaty with Thailand. Which is every expat I know here. There is not even a line on any form required to rent an apartment, extend our visas, submit our 90 Days Residence Report online, anything, stating that we need to have a Tax Identification. Not yet anyway.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3017491]... rent, electricity, water, personal router internet, phone service and all paper goods, shampoo, soap, mouthwash, toothpaste, etc, etc, etc combined is rarely as much as $700 USD per month.[/QUOTE]This whole discussion probably belongs in the Expats forum, but this makes me wonder about my life choices in retirement.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3017512]This whole discussion probably belongs in the Expats forum, but this makes me wonder about my life choices in retirement.[/QUOTE]I own my condo so no rent but the monthly charges (electricity, water, common fees) is about 9 K / month.

Mobile is 1,200, internet 700, Subscriptions (Netflix, HBO, Sports) is 2 K all in.

Maid I pay 15 K / month.

Food can go from a 90 thb meal to a 3 K meal, depends on my mood.

About $150 USD of P4 P per week.

[QUOTE=Rollox;3017346]Can you share this Nyezhov's excellent Thermae map when you do find it.
[/QUOTE]I've looked, but I am for some reason unable to find that post. I think he posted it last December or January, but either someone has for some reason deleted it, though I can't imagine why, or I can for some reason not find it.

Should the gentleman himself happen to see this, perhaps he would care to repost his map if he still has a photo of it.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017536]I've looked, but I am for some reason unable to find that post. I think he posted it last December or January, but either someone has for some reason deleted it, though I can't imagine why, or I can for some reason not find it.

Should the gentleman himself happen to see this, perhaps he would care to repost his map if he still has a photo of it.[/QUOTE]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2981820&viewfull=1#post2981820

Post #59034

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3017544]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2981820&viewfull=1#post2981820

Post #59034[/QUOTE]Ah, great. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2981820&viewfull=1#post2981820[/URL].
Certainly a post worthy of being in the reports of distinction hall of fame.

Seems I were rejected by two girls in the "Back wall younger girl" area my first night, and went home with one from "AC, girls at corner and back table (16), frequently young with GPS" area the next evening.

I am planning a trip soon, I saw less reports regarding where to find russians / european in Bangkok.

It will be good if anyone can inform me where I can also charges what I can expect.

So last night I was browsing girls on the michat app mentioned by a veteran here (GG). Unlike other dating apps, this one seems to be used exclusively for p4p now, so there's no need to beat around the bush, being unsure it's a normal girl looking for a normal date, or a girl looking for p4p. Here it's only p4p, and scammers.

This one had in her profile "100% real girl", so with that stamp there was no need to even ask if she was a ladyboy of course. In addition, her photos were obviously of a real girl. Sometimes I'm not sure when looking at photos and in those cases it's easier to ask, but in this case I was sure, 100% real girl like the profile said, so did not bother asking.

W: you want short-time? Girl: Yes. W: how much? G: 2500. W: 1500. G: no, cannot. W: ok, up to you. G: ok, sorry. G: (some minutes later) ok, 1500. I can come. W: ok, send me selfie first. (girl sends selfie of the same good looking girl there are photos of in her profile).

Send her a link to the airbnb I'm staying at, and on the way she goes. Even sends me link to her bolt-ride, so I can follow it and see when she arrives. I take the lift down so I'll be there around the time she will arrive, and wait in the lobby. At the same time a thaifriendly-freelancer who I had tried to invite over to repeat with an hour earlier, but who said she could not come until past my bedtime, and who I thus had to pass on last night, messages me line asking if she can come now, an hour earlier than she said she could before. I don't mark her message as read, but leave it pending for now.

A few moments later I see a motorbike pull up on the main road in front of the condo building, and a person get off. It's too dark and far away for me to see what the person looks like, but I can see from her walking posture that this is going to be a ladyboy for sure. Either that or a girl who has never worn high heels before, but decided try that for the first time in her life, tonight at 1 am.

I stick around anyway, just in case this is a real girl who has been in some accident, or was born with some birth defect that made her walk like that, but sure enough: once the creature comes closer and I push the button for the lobby doors to slide open, what enters the lighted area is a bona fide ladyboy, as sure as anything I've seen.
I can't help rolling my eyes at him, as he says "hello" in his squeaky fake ladyboy voice, while continuing stalking towards me on his high heels, as something straight out of the living dead. I make the sign of the cross and tell him "you ladyboy", before turning around and walking back towards the elevators. I can hear him behind me muttering something along the lines of "me real girl", but I'm already too far away to hear him clearly. I feel sorry for the pretty girl whose pictures this vile creature is abusing in an effort to trap innocent men, and me too.

I message the tf-freelancer while going up in the lift that it's ok for her to come now, and 15 minutes later I'm banging her instead. As pleasurable an experience as the first time, and someone I imagine I will be repeating with on a weekly basis during my stay.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3017523]I own my condo so no rent but the monthly charges (electricity, water, common fees) is about 9 K / month.[/QUOTE]Seems to be a lot of money for charges only.

Are you staying in an excellent unit, or location?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017127]Saturday I went for regular thai massage at a nearby shop after breakfast. Small shop with only a handful of staff, including two gays, but they did have one slightly plump 20-22 year old that was easy on the eyes, so I of course chose her.

...

She proceeded to give me a rather good BJ, being able to go deeper than average, and after some 10 minutes of this, I wanted to get her naked, so pulled her first on top of me, then on to her back, and with some mild reservations from her, pulled off her pants and underwear in one practiced smooth motion. At this point I unfortunately miscalibrated her. I expected that after lubricating my dick with my saliva and grinding him on top of her pussy for a few seconds, I could push in fairly immediately due to how easy the pants came off, but this she unfortunately refused. I grinded my dick a bit more against her pussy in an effort to arouse her, but the door remained locked.

I should have spent more time warming her up I thought in retrospect. I have become too jaded with all the p4p I've been doing lately, forgetting basic manners. Instead I rolled over on my back, and asked her to continue with the blowjob.
[/QUOTE]I paid a quick visit to said shop again, and had Thai massage as always. Asked for the girl by name, and after a few mispronounced attempts on my part, staff finally understood who I meant and called her from far inside the shop.
Up we went and she spent the first 45 minutes massaging my back. Again a pleasant massage. Then I rolled over on my back and she started massaging my front.
After a while of this, I as before gently put her hand on my dick, but this time spent some time warming up her too, by gently removing her top, revealing a pair of rather good sized Thai breasts. Definitely in the top 10% as far as Thailand is concerned, and I complimented her on them, while I reverted to my infant childhood, sucking on her nipples.

After a while of this, I pulled her on top of me, grinding my dick against her pussy through her pants. I continued doing that for a while, before flipping her over, taking my own shirt off, and then more of the same, even trying to push my dick inside her pussy through both my own and hers pants. I'm no John Hancock, so that didn't work of course, but it continued warming her up.

After a bit more of this I pulled off her pants and underwear, and continued grinding my dick against her pussy for a little bit, with my dick still in my pants, before pulling off my own pants. Again the she blocked the entrance with her hand, saying "cannot", but let me grind my dick a bit up and down on her pussy, pushing against the entrance, but not letting me enter. "Cannot".

This continued for a while, me kissing her breasts and massaging her body, while at the same time grinding up and down, also helping a little with my fingers. I was kind of wondering if she were going to revert to BJ, but she didn't make any move towards that. Instead just kept laying on her back, moaning very softly and quietly as I grinded my dick against her pussy, and me experimenting with what kind of things she liked more (softly biting her on her shoulder seemed to be a favourite of hers). After a good while of this she let me very barely enter a little bit, going in and out a little but not even letting the whole head inside. This continued for a while, until in the end she let me enter completely, only asking me to finish outside. We had a small conversation about that via google translate, and I then fucked her quietly for 10-15 minutes. A few minutes after finishing she excused herself and disappeared to the bathroom, before returning to pat down junior with some tissue and give me the last 10 minutes of my Thai massage.

No money mentioned by her this time, though I guess she assumed I would give her a thousand, like negotiated last time for the BJ. It is my custom to negotiate FS down to 1000-1500 in regular massage shops, though it seems I more and more often have to pay 2,000, or I decline if I don't think the FS is worth 2,000 at the time. If no price has been mentioned I think it most fair to hand the girl 2,000 for FS, as I did now.
Also gave her a 150 baht tip on my way out, in front of the other staff, for the 90 minute massage itself, though I only do that sometimes if I've already paid an extra 1000-2000 for other things.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017135]Nope. No glasses, nor hat, though I do think I saw a girl with a hat there that same night.[/QUOTE]Yeah you would definitely remember this one.

On way back up there now to see if she's still there.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017937]W: ok, send me selfie first. (girl sends selfie of the same good looking girl there are photos of in her profile).[/QUOTE]Why did you say send a selfie instead of doing a video call? You do not know when a still picture was taken same as the rest of the pictures that were in the profile.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3018029]Why did you say send a selfie instead of doing a video call? You do not know when a still picture was taken same as the rest of the pictures that were in the profile.[/QUOTE]You're right. I just don't like doing phone calls with strangers like this for some reason, which means I get stuff like this happening sometimes, and I just walk back to the elevator. I guess after a few dozen more cases like this I'll wisen up and start doing video calls first instead.

It would be too much to hope that these people would stop doing stuff like this after having spent taxi money on a few round-trips to guys like me of course, as I guess most pay up at least something since they keep it going.

[QUOTE=CaliTraveler;3017343]This is the best video describing the dangers and disconnect an expatriate will experience in countries of the third world (Thailand in this case) and why such popular tourist countries are made only for the short term fun vacations.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPZKbAWHvc[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, property prices can go down. It can happen in your home country too or anywhere in the world. And inflation and prices go up sometimes. It is not Thailand's fault. Yes heat can bring health problems for some people. But so can cold climate too for astma, skin and heart etc. Life is dangerous everywhere and in the end you will die. Can't blame Thailand.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3017954]Seems to be a lot of money for charges only.

Are you staying in an excellent unit, or location?[/QUOTE]Location is A++, but Charges are different for me because I own my condo so I pay a portion of the staff Salary, common areas electricity, common areas air-con.

My own Electricity and Water (Metered) would be about 4 K / month.

[QUOTE=CaliTraveler;3017343]This is the best video describing the dangers and disconnect an expatriate will experience in countries of the third world (Thailand in this case) and why such popular tourist countries are made only for the short term fun vacations.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPZKbAWHvc[/URL][/QUOTE]This vlogger is so wrong on so many points. Another YouTuber trying to get clicks. And half the comments are from people who probably never spent time here, but comment from what they hear on other YouTube channels.

[QUOTE=Davey1965;3018283]This vlogger is so wrong on so many points. Another YouTuber trying to get clicks. And half the comments are from people who probably never spent time here, but comment from what they hear on other YouTube channels.[/QUOTE]Contex. I am not one of the 82%. Not Stupid here.

For thise of ypu on the fence. Please consult with you tuber lucky girl earn. Probably makes $150,000 at s relationship expert.

Topics like 10 ways old foreigners can date young thsi girls.

10 ways okd foreigners can please theur young girls in bed.

10 what is old foreigner. Etc. You get the drift.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017433]Recently I visited secret kiss for the first time, arriving a few hours after they open (they open at 14:00). I selected the regular blowjob for 1300, though from their menu you can select various other things and pay upto 500 extra for that (cum on boobs, cum on face, cum on foot? Cum on this and cum on that. I don't remember the details since none of that is something I'm interested in paying extra for). At the time there were three staff only available, and I had to choose from their tablet, but the manageress said that after I had choosen, she would show me the girl live too. Easier and faster to see them all live at once of course, but this is ok too.

I did not get any indication FS is available here, but I did not make any attempt at going for it either.
[/QUOTE]According to the menu FS is available. I did not try FS when I was there last time either so I don't know whether it is worth.

Hi,

I'm looking to visit Bangkok around the title timeframe and looking for any tips or ticks for a solo vacationer. Also looking for BBFS if offered any where. I appreciate any tips or advise. I'm American Taiwanese so don't know if that will hurt or help.

Last evening I had another session at Wonder massage. Seems they now remember me as the "finish in mouth" guy. I could hear the girls whispering in the lineup, and one girl attempting to hide behind a fake plant. Even one of the male guys who was not there last time, after I had made my choice this time, very politely warned me that if I wanted to do CIM, this girl could not. In a probably vain effort to shrug of that reputation, I told him never mind, it's ok. Up we went.

When up in the room I after a while noticed that they had given me a Jacuzzi room, even though I paid for a shower room. Perhaps because they felt sorry for me after last time, or all the cheaper shower rooms were full. I went through my session with what I think was a siliconed former bar "pretty" (the type you see serving chang/singha/etc. at various party places or events), who said she got the silicone 6 years ago for that job. Even paying her a completely unnecessary 1000 baht tip in another vain effort to improve my tarnished reputation, and cast off the cloak of "finish in mouth guy" that will probably now forever drape me in that shop.

After the session, the two women in the reception asked me how service was, everything ok? I sometimes get asked that in other shops also, but again: this is the only shop where anyone has ever cared if I indicated the session was not so good. Politeness and respect shown to the customer before choosing a girl is also a notch or two above other shops.
Bad luck that unlike some other shops, which are surrounded by half a dozen other shops, in case you don't see anyone you like at this shop, there is only one other sex shop nearby, plus one BJ shop.

Girl was pretty enough, service was average, and I'm not a fan of silicone (usually I request a non-silicone lineup, but didn't bother this time). Nothing special and won't repeat with that particular girl, but more interestingly: on the way back I again passed Duangporn Haven, as it's in the same sub-soi, and I noticed at least one woman who was rather easy on the eyes. Don't often see that there. Actually never, though I don't pass by very often.

It's a shop I've always wanted to try as it has a good reputation here. Supposedly started by a nice former BJ-girl (Som?). I have even stopped inside to have a look once or twice over the years, and I will say that they have always been very friendly and welcoming (even with an ex-gf in tow, who offered to pay as a gift to me, and said they all seemed so friendly that I should have chosen a girl anyway. That she felt a bit bad when we just walked out again because they were all so friendly "and happy when we entered"), but never before saw someone whose services I'd like to use until now.

I instead continued to a random thai massage place and had a decent thai massage followed by a decent BJ there, by a nerdy looking mid-twenties girl in glasses, which she kept on during the BJ too (I guess otherwise she would have been unable to see my little 'fella), but plan on stopping by Duangporn Haven again soon.

[QUOTE=OrientalLover;3018400]According to the menu FS is available. I did not try FS when I was there last time either so I don't know whether it is worth.[/QUOTE]Yeah, NicFrenchy corrected me too. Also explains the proper shower in the rooms, as I don't think any other BJ place has them. Expect the FS to be same as any other shop, neither better or worse, so it's nice that one can choose BJ-only too for a much reduced price.

Any experienced guys hit Nana recently?

Still weed friendly?

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3015307]Might as well practice the proper way to give the girl a big Thai wai of respect after dumping a load deep in her snatch.[/QUOTE]Bob Weir and Mickey Hart demonstrate the proper way to give a girl a big Thai wai of respect after dumping a load in her snatch, following last night's Dead & Company show in Golden Gate Park :)

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3017127]Saturday I went for regular thai massage at a nearby shop after breakfast. Small shop with only a handful of staff, including two gays, but they did have one slightly plump 20-22 year old that was easy on the eyes, so I of course chose her.

She didn't take the initiative to offer anything extra, but she got close enough to things to wake up junior a couple times and was not overly shy, as some in this profession are. In the meantime what sounded like a male farang had entered a nearby curtained off section a few meters away with one of the gay looking guys, though I'm unsure if anything more than a massage was received.

Near the end of my own session, I gently placed her hand on my dick as it appeared to be I who had to take the initiative on this (for negotiation reasons, I always prefer them to do it). After this was accepted ok, I jokingly tried to push her head down to my dick, against some resistance and quiet laughing from her. This continued for some 20-30 seconds, me pushing down a bit harder, she pulling back, until she whispered "how much?"

I held up one finger, and she confirmed with me that I meant one thousand, rather than perhaps one baht as it was in the good old days. Normally the girls will at this point excuse themselves to get some tissues and wipes, both to clean my dick and to have something to spit out the produce of their efforts into, but this girl did not do that, and instead put her lips on my dick. Logistics permitting, I usually arrive freshly showered, as now, so this was not a problem.

She proceeded to give me a rather good BJ, being able to go deeper than average, and after some 10 minutes of this, I wanted to get her naked, so pulled her first on top of me, then on to her back, and with some mild reservations from her, pulled off her pants and underwear in one practiced smooth motion. At this point I unfortunately miscalibrated her. I expected that after lubricating my dick with my saliva and grinding him on top of her pussy for a few seconds, I could push in fairly immediately due to how easy the pants came off, but this she unfortunately refused. I grinded my dick a bit more against her pussy in an effort to arouse her, but the door remained locked.

I should have spent more time warming her up I thought in retrospect. I have become too jaded with all the p4p I've been doing lately, forgetting basic manners. Instead I rolled over on my back, and asked her to continue with the blowjob.

She continued doing a rather good job on the BJ (much superior to the BJ I had a few days earlier at vovo strangely enough), including not pulling back as I shot my load into her mouth, but thereafter she looked at me and seemed to realize a new problem had materialized itself: she now had no pants on, a mouth full of sperm (well, semen to be accurate in my case), but no tissue or anywhere else prepared to spit it out in.

Apparently she did not want to swallow, so I could instead with some amusement watch her, with bulging cheeks holding my cum in, pull on her pants, before drawing aside the curtains and head for her what I assumed would be the nearest sink in a quick foxtrot. I tried to ask her how she were doing while she was getting dressed, using the four thai words I know, but she declined to respond, seemingly unwilling to engage in conversation at this moment.

She returned and continued the massage for the remaining 5-10 minutes, I paid her the agreed 1000, and then asked for her name downstairs while paying the cashier. I complimented her massage skills, nice and slow, and also tipped her an additional 100 for the massage itself as I exited. I thought to myself I'll ask for her next time I pass by this shop, as the Thai massage was indeed above average also, slow and firm as I like it.[/QUOTE]Good job! Could you share the massage place with us?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3018618]Any experienced guys hit Nana recently?

Still weed friendly?[/QUOTE]On weed, semi-friendly. Still a bunch of shops open along Sukhumvit. However, you'll need to get a certificate (300 Baht) or buy 2 joints for 700 Baht and get a certificate (info from 1 shop, so don't hold me to it). Will require your passport and certificate is only good for 1 month.

On Nana, only go-go (IMO) worth visiting is BillBoard. 150 Baht for a Coke Zero, 200 Baht for ladies drinks and beers ranged from 155 Baht (LEO / Chang) - 220 Baht (Corona).

BF 700 S / T and 1000 L / T with ladies asking 4000 S / T and 8000 L / T.

At one of the Rainbow bars paid 190 Baht for a Coke Zero and Ladies drinks were 270 Baht. Didn't ask about BF or S / T L / T, as there wasn't any lady I'd barfine.

Did hit about 5 other go-go bars at Nana, but they didn't feel as comfortable as BillBoards or had as many girls that fit my taste.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3018531]

I instead continued to a random thai massage place and had a decent thai massage followed by a decent BJ there, by a nerdy looking mid-twenties girl in glasses, which she kept on during the BJ too (I guess otherwise she would have been unable to see my little 'fella), but plan on stopping by Duangporn Haven again soon.[/QUOTE]Could you maybe share the shop location and price for massage+BJ?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3018995]On weed, semi-friendly. Still a bunch of shops open along Sukhumvit. However, you'll need to get a certificate (300 Baht) or buy 2 joints for 700 Baht and get a certificate (info from 1 shop, so don't hold me to it). Will require your passport and certificate is only good for 1 month.

On Nana, only go-go (IMO) worth visiting is BillBoard. 150 Baht for a Coke Zero, 200 Baht for ladies drinks and beers ranged from 155 Baht (LEO / Chang) - 220 Baht (Corona).

BF 700 S / T and 1000 L / T with ladies asking 4000 S / T and 8000 L / T.

At one of the Rainbow bars paid 190 Baht for a Coke Zero and Ladies drinks were 270 Baht. Didn't ask about BF or S / T L / T, as there wasn't any lady I'd barfine.

Did hit about 5 other go-go bars at Nana, but they didn't feel as comfortable as BillBoards or had as many girls that fit my taste.[/QUOTE]Yeah Billboard is my place. There were some fabulous ones there.

[QUOTE=Francesco24;3018997]Could you maybe share the shop location and price for massage+BJ?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Truth be told, I almost want to answer: location: any massage joint in the tourist areas of Bangkok. Possibly excepting the expensive spa-like setups which I never go to, so I don't know.
Since I see you are a contributing member here, you can message me if you really want to know, but I'm not going to ID the girl and shop in public here (there are some idiots here).

Price for massage at this particular shop was a bit more expensive than I usually pay. 450/hour for Thai massage (I prefer the 300/hour shops), but since I'd already spotted a decent looking girl before seeing the prices, I continued in anyway. Also since there weren't many other massage shops down this particular soi.
Upon exciting I saw a girl that was cuter than the one I choose, so might drop by this shop again for her.

Price for BJ was 1000. She, like most, quoted me 2000 initially, but I alway respond with 1000 and don't budge. More often than not (7/10 times?, 8/10 times?) that's accepted.

Got into Bangkok about 3 hrs ago, and got into the hotel after midnight. I'm over 70, it was a long flight, and I was still a bit dehydrated from the brutal heat yesterday in Tokyo, so I did the sensible thing, took a shower, and went out looking for pussy, weed, and alcohol. Took less than half an hour to find all three, though I passed on the alcohol. I took a stroll on Soi 4 south of the Nana station, and there is a cannabis dispensary / bar where you can buy, smoke, and drink a few blocks from my hotel. I asked about the law change and he was pretty nonchalant about it. No card or license but the weed is expensive at 300-500 baht per gram. I bought a few grams, and since I hadn't smoked in Japan I bought a couple of prerolls and had a seat next to a pretty African girl playing cards with her friends, and lit up. Shesh is Tanzanian, and was wearing booty shorts that showed off a slim waist with some small but really nice round full moon cheeks.

I really kind of had a Thai girl in mind, this being Thailand and all, but after we smoked and talked for a few minutes she asked if I wanted to do ST, and asked 2 K. Brief discussion of services, and walked to the hotel. She left her passport at the desk per their security procedures, and up to the room. She wanted money upfront, which we discussed, and largely because I knew she wasn't getting her passport back without my OK I agreed to give her half upfront and tip her well if she did a good job. Once we got past all the business issues everything was totally cool. We showered together, she danced a bit, and followed with the sloppiest DT I have gotten in about a decade. Fucked in a few positions and nutted looking at her sweet ass.

Can't wait to get up tomorrow and maybe go more than 3 blocks from my hotel. Although at this point that hardly seems necessary. Anyway, so far I like Bangkok LOL.

1 rst day: Sukhumvit, somewhere past Soi 20 (or 22?) I wanted to try a massage without any "boom boom" because I had a guest coming over that evening. I went for a one-hour full-body oil massage. Really good massage. I felt a few subtle slips toward my dick during the massage, but I wasn't sure if it was intentional. Then, about 10 minutes before the end, she offered to massage my dick, which I immediately agreed to since I'the been hoping for it for a while. I was groping her at the same time; she resisted weakly, and I think it turned her on, but she couldn't go for "boom boom. " I asked her to give me a blowjob, but she refused. Well, she gave me a good handjob for 10 minutes, which felt great. We finished with a face massage to calm things down a bit. 450 b + 100 b tip

2nd day:
a) Second attempt at a massage without "boom boom" on Sukhumvit. The masseuse offered to take care of my dick for an extra 1000 baht, which I refused because I thought it was a bit expensive for a handjob and I had a guest at home. The massage was more like caresses, and I actually fell asleep. 400 b no tip
b) Third attempt at a massage without "boom boom." Same deal, the masseuse offered to take care of my dick for 1000 baht, which I refused because I have my guest at home. The massage was a bit more vigorous than the last one, but nothing better than Pattaya. 400 b no tip

3rd day: Oil massage shop on Sukhumvit, not far from Soi 18. An older woman in her fifties. Excellent massage, front and back. Good pressure and well-placed hands. 60 minutes that turned into 90 then 120, with the last half-hour spent on a handjob, but I couldn't finish, probably because I'the been with my guest that morning around 10:00. Still, I was plenty hard. 850 b + 50 b tip

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3019009]Yeah Billboard is my place. There were some fabulous ones there.[/QUOTE]My favorite place too. Beautiful asses.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019411]1 rst day: Sukhumvit, somewhere past Soi 20 (or 22?) I wanted to try a massage without any "boom boom" because I had a guest coming over that evening. I went for a one-hour full-body oil massage. Really good massage. I felt a few subtle slips toward my dick during the massage, but I wasn't sure if it was intentional. Then, about 10 minutes before the end, she offered to massage my dick, which I immediately agreed to since I'the been hoping for it for a while. I was groping her at the same time; she resisted weakly, and I think it turned her on, but she couldn't go for "boom boom. " I asked her to give me a blowjob, but she refused. Well, she gave me a good handjob for 10 minutes, which felt great. We finished with a face massage to calm things down a bit. 450 b + 100 b tip

2nd day:
a) Second attempt at a massage without "boom boom" on Sukhumvit. The masseuse offered to take care of my dick for an extra 1000 baht, which I refused because I thought it was a bit expensive for a handjob and I had a guest at home. The massage was more like caresses, and I actually fell asleep. 400 b no tip
b) Third attempt at a massage without "boom boom." Same deal, the masseuse offered to take care of my dick for 1000 baht, which I refused because I have my guest at home. The massage was a bit more vigorous than the last one, but nothing better than Pattaya. 400 b no tip..[/QUOTE]I just feel sorry for your guest stuck at home waiting 2.5 days for you to getting around to doing them.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019411]1 rst day: Sukhumvit, somewhere past Soi 20 (or 22?) I wanted to try a massage without any "boom boom" because I had a guest coming over that evening. I went for a one-hour full-body oil massage. Really good massage. I felt a few subtle slips toward my dick during the massage, but I wasn't sure if it was intentional. Then, about 10 minutes before the end, she offered to massage my dick, which I immediately agreed to since I'the been hoping for it for a while. I was groping her at the same time; she resisted weakly, and I think it turned her on, but she couldn't go for "boom boom. " I asked her to give me a blowjob, but she refused. Well, she gave me a good handjob for 10 minutes, which felt great. We finished with a face massage to calm things down a bit. 450 b + 100 b tip

2nd day:
a) Second attempt at a massage without "boom boom" on Sukhumvit. The masseuse offered to take care of my dick for an extra 1000 baht, which I refused because I thought it was a bit expensive for a handjob and I had a guest at home. The massage was more like caresses, and I actually fell asleep. 400 b no tip
b) Third attempt at a massage without "boom boom." Same deal, the masseuse offered to take care of my dick for 1000 baht, which I refused because I have my guest at home. The massage was a bit more vigorous than the last one, but nothing better than Pattaya. 400 b no tip

3rd day: Oil massage shop on Sukhumvit, not far from Soi 18. An older woman in her fifties. Excellent massage, front and back. Good pressure and well-placed hands. 60 minutes that turned into 90 then 120, with the last half-hour spent on a handjob, but I couldn't finish, probably because I'the been with my guest that morning around 10:00. Still, I was plenty hard. 850 b + 50 b tip[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if it's your first time in Thailand, or not, but already 20 years ago it was pretty normal, even for not overly well to do Thai people, to leave a 50-100 baht tip for massage. I imagine it's at least double now.

You think the 1000 baht offer on the second day for a HJ was a bit expensive, but the girl who gave you the HJ without agreeing on price before, you tipped a total of 100 baht, and the grandmother with excellent massage, and HJ, you later tipped 50, for two hours of massage and HJ? If you think about it, does that make any sense?

As said, I'm not sure if it's your first time in Thailand, but HJ is not included in a regular massage, and that's why the girl asked you for a 1000 extra, which you declined.

If someone does it without telling you the price, it's because they assume you will do the decent thing and pay /at least/ the normal rate, which is 500 for HJ in Bangkok.

In addition: I'm perhaps a bit of a cheapskate myself, but: 100 baht tip for massage, 200 baht if two hours and it is good. More if it's "excellent". Nothing if it's bad/lazy, but even average is a 100 baht tip.

HJ/BJ/FS is something in addition. If you're tipping 500 for HJ, you don't need to tip any extra for the massage itself (in which case you're really just paying 400 for the HJ, as 100 is the normal tip anyway), but I would do it if the massage itself was really good too, or sometimes just because it seems appropriate.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019456]I'm not sure if it's your first time in Thailand, or not, but already 20 years ago it was pretty normal, even for not overly well to do Thai people, to leave a 50-100 baht tip for massage. I imagine it's at least double now.

In addition: I'm perhaps a bit of a cheapskate myself, but: 100 baht tip for massage, 200 baht if two hours and it is good. More if it's "excellent". Nothing if it's bad/lazy, but even average is a 100 baht tip.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what is considered normal for a tip because I have not watched anybody else paying. But as for me, I give 50 baht for each hour of massage. I have been going to the same people at the same shops for years. Hell, I even used to fuck my main massage lady for 1000 baht LT when I first met her. To this day nobody has complained about the 50 baht / hour tip.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019411]1 rst day: Sukhumvit, somewhere past Soi 20 (or 22?) I wanted to try a massage without any "boom boom" because I had a guest coming over that evening. I went for a one-hour full-body oil massage. Really good massage. I felt a few subtle slips toward my dick during the massage, but I wasn't sure if it was intentional. Then, about 10 minutes before the end, she offered to massage my dick, which I immediately agreed to since I'the been hoping for it for a while. I was groping her at the same time; she resisted weakly, and I think it turned her on, but she couldn't go for "boom boom. " I asked her to give me a blowjob, but she refused. Well, she gave me a good handjob for 10 minutes, which felt great. We finished with a face massage to calm things down a bit. 450 b + 100 b tip

2nd day:
a) Second attempt at a massage without "boom boom" on Sukhumvit. The masseuse offered to take care of my dick for an extra 1000 baht, which I refused because I thought it was a bit expensive for a handjob and I had a guest at home. The massage was more like caresses, and I actually fell asleep. 400 b no tip
b) Third attempt at a massage without "boom boom." Same deal, the masseuse offered to take care of my dick for 1000 baht, which I refused because I have my guest at home. The massage was a bit more vigorous than the last one, but nothing better than Pattaya. 400 b no tip[/QUOTE]For someone with 350 forum posts, you seem to be no spring chicken. This is why your review confused me.

Massage ladies live on tips and it is customary (even for Thai people) to at least give around 50 thb tip / hour. And that is for regular massage.

20 years ago the going rate in small shops was 300 for HJ, now it is 500. So leaving them 50,100. Was kind of an insult. Especially the poor lady that did it for 30 mn of a 2 hours massage only to get a 50.

I am 100% against the shops that include the special and make people pre-pay. But when I read things like that, I understand why they would.

Has anyone have any experiences with any of the ladies on Locanto recently. I was having a look there last night to see what was on offer, and I was a little disappointed. Some of the same woman were there 10 years ago. Does anyone even use Locanto any more?

[QUOTE=PgReal;3019454]I just feel sorry for your guest stuck at home waiting 2.5 days for you to getting around to doing them.[/QUOTE]LOL.

When we are together in Bangkok she doesn't like to go out of the house much. She prefers to watch her series on TV and on her smartphone all day long (Squid Games is one of her favorites). And I used to fuck her in the evening (after going to Billboard) and if possible in the morning too.

When you're with your girlfriend, do you do everything all day and all night with each other ? Shopping, meals, TV, everything, everything, morning, afternoon, evening... Great, I can't, it's beyond my strength.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019456]I'm not sure if it's your first time in Thailand, or not, ....[/QUOTE]I follow the international standard. No need to live in Thailand for 50 years. I pay the catalog price and tip based on service quality I consider appropriate. I do the same everywhere in the world.

Explain to us how you do it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3019468]I have no idea what is considered normal for a tip because I have not watched anybody else paying. But as for me, I give 50 baht for each hour of massage. I have been going to the same people at the same shops for years. Hell, I even used to fuck my main massage lady for 1000 baht LT when I first met her. To this day nobody has complained about the 50 baht / hour tip.[/QUOTE]Are they UGLY?

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3019261]Got into Bangkok about 3 hrs ago, and got into the hotel after midnight. I'm over 70, it was a long flight, and I was still a bit dehydrated from the brutal heat yesterday in Tokyo, so I did the sensible thing, took a shower, and went out looking for pussy, weed, and alcohol. Took less than half an hour to find all three, though I passed on the alcohol. I took a stroll on Soi 4 south of the Nana station, and there is a cannabis dispensary / bar where you can buy, smoke, and drink a few blocks from my hotel. I asked about the law change and he was pretty nonchalant about it. No card or license but the weed is expensive at 300-500 baht per gram. I bought a few grams, and since I hadn't smoked in Japan I bought a couple of prerolls and had a seat next to a pretty African girl playing cards with her friends, and lit up. Shesh is Tanzanian, and was wearing booty shorts that showed off a slim waist with some small but really nice round full moon cheeks.

I really kind of had a Thai girl in mind, this being Thailand and all, but after we smoked and talked for a few minutes she asked if I wanted to do ST, and asked 2 K. Brief discussion of services, and walked to the hotel. She left her passport at the desk per their security procedures, and up to the room. She wanted money upfront, which we discussed, and largely because I knew she wasn't getting her passport back without my OK I agreed to give her half upfront and tip her well if she did a good job. Once we got past all the business issues everything was totally cool. We showered together, she danced a bit, and followed with the sloppiest DT I have gotten in about a decade. Fucked in a few positions and nutted looking at her sweet ass.

Can't wait to get up tomorrow and maybe go more than 3 blocks from my hotel. Although at this point that hardly seems necessary. Anyway, so far I like Bangkok LOL.[/QUOTE]STD check bro.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3019603]STD check bro.[/QUOTE]I don't BBFS, so probably OK, but if not, sharing is caring, and a bunch of why'all are going to see the same girls I see for the rest of this trip. Good luck.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3019494]I am 100% against the shops that include the special and make people pre-pay. But when I read things like that, I understand why they would.[/QUOTE]When I'm made to pay in advance, I never tip after the service. I consider that I've already taken the risk that the service might be bad.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019560]LOL.

When we are together in Bangkok she doesn't like to go out of the house much. She prefers to watch her series on TV and on her smartphone all day long (Squid Games is one of her favorites). And I used to fuck her in the evening (after going to Billboard) and if possible in the morning too.

When you're with your girlfriend, do you do everything all day and all night with each other ? Shopping, meals, TV, everything, everything, morning, afternoon, evening... Great, I can't, it's beyond my strength.[/QUOTE]I had one for a month or so and when she wasn't sucking she was sleeping or on the phone. I'm only good for a few weeks like that tho.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019571]I follow the international standard. No need to live in Thailand for 50 years. I pay the catalog price and tip based on service quality I consider appropriate. I do the same everywhere in the world.

Explain to us how you do it.[/QUOTE]Thailand does not have a tipping culture fortunately, but regular (non-sex) massage shops are one of the few exceptions I know of. I already explained how I personally do it, and based on some others who chimed in, I'm happy to see I'm perhaps less of a cheapskate than I thought.

When I'm in a regular massage shop and end up banging the girl massaging me, without her mentioning anything about money, I don't afterwards walk out, leaving her a 100 baht tip for the regular thai massage only. I could, and sometimes I'm already by the door exiting the shop, without the girl having said anything, but I don't. I put 2,000 in her hand by the door, let her see what the amount is, wait a few seconds to give her a chance too object, just in case she wants to do that, and then I open the door and exit. Sometimes I pay only 1000 to bang her, but in that case we have already agreed on that price.

Those that gave you the HJ "for free" were not doing it because they think you're so handsome that giving you a HJ is a privilege and a honour. They were thinking (yes, I'm a mindreader) that you knew you should give them at least a normal HJ tip afterwards.

I got in late Thursday night, and as a first-time visitor who carefully read the forum and had a plan for my visit, this place reminds me of the Mike Tyson quote, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face". I'm staying a few blocks from Nana Plaza off Soi 4, and the entire scene is like a sexual punch in the face. When I walk out of my hotel there are 2 or 3 bars with girls calling me before I even get to Soi 4, where there are 100's of freelancers, an equal number of girls offering massage, and a few dozen bars filled with girls calling you, all before you even get to Nana Plaza, which from what I can tell is like a shopping mall of gogo clubs, with a dispensary conveniently located in the entry right past the police guarding the entrance. If I leave my hotel and walk in the other direction I get to Lolita's in about 3 minutes, assuming I get past the couple of MPs on the way, and from there there are innumerable choices.

So far I have brought two freelancers back to my room, gone to one MP (meh), and made a stop at the much-discussed Wood Bar. My rankings so far:

Wood Bar - 1000 baht.

African FL - 2000 baht.

Thai FL - 2000 baht.

8 Fantasy - 2500 baht.

I hit Wood Bar around 7 last night, and I probably wouldn't have made it that far except that I was meeting a friend of a friend for drinks on Soi 12 and it was on my route back. From the descriptions of the veterans here I expected to see a bunch of wrinkled old hags outside but the girl who was calling the customers was mid-30's, had a nice smile, and looked fully qualified to suck my dick. I am over 70 so my standard of "youthful beauty" may be different than others. It also makes me more of a skills than looks guy, especially if it's the second or third nut of the day. Anyway, a BJ bar was on my to-do list, so let me describe the experience for those unfamiliar. "#4" took me upstairs, grabbed her hygiene kit from a locker on the way up, and took me to Room #4, which had a worn Naugahyde chair with a towel over the seat and enough room for her to kneel in front of it, and a sink with a spout designed for frontal and rear cleaning. I don't believe I have ever had a girl wash my asshole before, but she did a thorough job, making sure to clean "tongue depth", which as it turned out was fairly deep. After the cleaning, legs back and straight to rimming, which I think I enjoy because it's rare to find a girl who will do it more than because it feels good. Continued with an excellent BJ and eventually CIM, which she took admirably. Something got lost in the translation, but at some point she offered boom-boom, which I declined. Overall I thought it was a great, if extremely seedy, experience.

Later last night I walked over to Lolita's, but there were only two girls, and neither of them met my standard, such as it is. They told me they open at 9 and there would be more girls. I ended up navigating the obstacle course of pool bar girls and in about 5 minutes found an attractive FL with no ladyboy warning signs. Reasonable performance for 2 K baht.

8:40 on Sunday morning and I'm trying to figure out whether to walk up to Lolita's and try to get an early nut, and maybe go for 3 today, or save my semen and go to Snow White later. Such are the decisions faced by the first-time visitor here.

Your experience summarizes my experience with BJ bars. Bearing in mind I will let almost anyone suck my dick bit prefer they not be hideous.

7-heaven Pretty younger girls with adequate skills. If optics are your thing go here.

Wood Bar. These are girls who used to be hot but now older or heavier. Pleasant enough to look at. But not hags. Amazing skills.

Other BJ bars. Ouch. Very hard to find someone pleasant looking enough to suck my dick.

That's my pov. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3019734]Your experience summarizes my experience with BJ bars. Bearing in mind I will let almost anyone suck my dick bit prefer they not be hideous.

7-heaven Pretty younger girls with adequate skills. If optics are your thing go here.

Wood Bar. These are girls who used to be hot but now older or heavier. Pleasant enough to look at. But not hags. Amazing skills.

Other BJ bars. Ouch. Very hard to find someone pleasant looking enough to suck my dick.

That's my pov. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Good insight, as I was about to walk up the street to Lolita's LOL.

Forgot to throw in that after the poor massage at 8 Fantasy (report in MP forum) I picked a Thai massage place on Soi 4 for a "real" massage. Really not that great but maybe I should have chosen the oil massage instead of the Thai massage. Anyway, she asked me if I wanted a HJ, and I told her a little bit, and next she pointed to her mouth and my dick, and I declined since I picked her for her hand strength and not looks. I let her get me hard as foreplay, expecting to got elsewhere later. So much for the non-sexual massage. Tipped for the hj.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3019734]
Other BJ bars. Ouch. Very hard to find someone pleasant looking enough to suck my dick.
[/QUOTE]Check out Secret Kiss next time. A new BJ bar with younger girls and more decent management than 7-h.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019560]LOL.

When we are together in Bangkok she doesn't like to go out of the house much. She prefers to watch her series on TV and on her smartphone all day long (Squid Games is one of her favorites). And I used to fuck her in the evening (after going to Billboard) and if possible in the morning too.

When you're with your girlfriend, do you do everything all day and all night with each other ? Shopping, meals, TV, everything, everything, morning, afternoon, evening... Great, I can't, it's beyond my strength.[/QUOTE]Living in Bangkok and never looking for a girlfriend but having a very good one more or less drop in my lap anyway, I tried the live-in approach for over a year. Until it was unavoidably obvious my life had not improved in the process. But there is definite value in having a "real" GF in the sense of having someone not on the clock all the time, available and, a biggie, sweet, lovely, loving and affectionate at your side and genuinely interested in sharing non sex related experiences such as new restaurants, exploring around Thailand and elsewhere, special events, movies, entertainment and so on.

BTW, the current international tour of Phantom of the Opera playing atop the Esplanade Mall of all places is magnificent. Casting, voices, performances, production values, all right up there with the original Broadway cast version I saw back in the day. But I digress.

The point is I grudgingly came to see that having a non direct P4 P companion on for the ride even in Bkk has its advantages. However, the live-in thing is a very heavy lift. Too heavy for a young man in his 70's with so many more years of mongering ahead of him. LOL.

So several months ago I went to a much better alternative and set her up in her own cozy, modern apartment with all amenities in a nice, safe but still fun neighborhood far enough away from my stomping grounds yet close enough for her to come over within 40 minutes on the skytrain or for me to go there. With the added bonus for her being she is walking distance from her university.

That is a much better deal. For both of our peace of mind. And the 3-4 days and nights per week when I am not with her for whatever, my retired life in Thailand carries on as before quite nicely.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019616]When I'm made to pay in advance, I never tip after the service. I consider that I've already taken the risk that the service might be bad.[/QUOTE]You completely missed the point. Not tipping for an all-inclusive sex service is totally fine.

What you did was go for a regular massage and get "special" massage which is a service provided on top of the regular massage. Very few girls nowadays have an "up to you" tipping for special services but everyone knows the basics (500-HJ, 1000-BJ, 1500 FS).

Forget tipping, What you did was just not pay for the sexual services you received. Because Thai girls don't like to cause a scene, they did not say anything, but what you did was wrong.

I'm all for the Brotherhood helping each other in P4 P, but we have to call it out just the same when things are not correct.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019653]Thailand does not have a tipping culture fortunately, but regular (non-sex) massage shops are one of the few exceptions I know of. I already explained how I personally do it, and based on some others who chimed in, I'm happy to see I'm perhaps less of a cheapskate than I thought.

When I'm in a regular massage shop and end up banging the girl massaging me, without her mentioning anything about money, I don't afterwards walk out, leaving her a 100 baht tip for the regular thai massage only. I could, and sometimes I'm already by the door exiting the shop, without the girl having said anything, but I don't. I put 2,000 in her hand by the door, let her see what the amount is, wait a few seconds to give her a chance too object, just in case she wants to do that, and then I open the door and exit. Sometimes I pay only 1000 to bang her, but in that case we have already agreed on that price.

Those that gave you the HJ "for free" were not doing it because they think you're so handsome that giving you a HJ is a privilege and a honour. They were thinking (yes, I'm a mindreader) that you knew you should give them at least a normal HJ tip afterwards.[/QUOTE]I've done the same for the price undiscussed fuck, paying at exit, or at cashier desk downstairs.

Only once have I had the uncomfortable moment of the girl wanting, more like expecting more, and it was a low key quiet request for more at that.

I defused it with an extra 200, she wasn't happy still, but she begrudgingly took it anyway, realising that was all that was on offer.

Looks like they haven't changed the worn-out chair in the last room yet. Hahaha: the.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3019729]I got in late Thursday night, and as a first-time visitor who carefully read the forum and had a plan for my visit, this place reminds me of the Mike Tyson quote, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face". I'm staying a few blocks from Nana Plaza off Soi 4, and the entire scene is like a sexual punch in the face. When I walk out of my hotel there are 2 or 3 bars with girls calling me before I even get to Soi 4, where there are 100's of freelancers, an equal number of girls offering massage, and a few dozen bars filled with girls calling you, all before you even get to Nana Plaza, which from what I can tell is like a shopping mall of gogo clubs, with a dispensary conveniently located in the entry right past the police guarding the entrance. If I leave my hotel and walk in the other direction I get to Lolita's in about 3 minutes, assuming I get past the couple of MPs on the way, and from there there are innumerable choices.

So far I have brought two freelancers back to my room, gone to one MP (meh), and made a stop at the much-discussed Wood Bar. My rankings so far:

Wood Bar - 1000 baht.

African FL - 2000 baht.

Thai FL - 2000 baht.

8 Fantasy - 2500 baht.

I hit Wood Bar around 7 last night, and I probably wouldn't have made it that far except that I was meeting a friend of a friend for drinks on Soi 12 and it was on my route back. From the descriptions of the veterans here I expected to see a bunch of wrinkled old hags outside but the girl who was calling the customers was mid-30's, had a nice smile, and looked fully qualified to suck my dick. I am over 70 so my standard of "youthful beauty" may be different than others. It also makes me more of a skills than looks guy, especially if it's the second or third nut of the day. Anyway, a BJ bar was on my to-do list, so let me describe the experience for those unfamiliar. "#4" took me upstairs, grabbed her hygiene kit from a locker on the way up, and took me to Room #4, which had a worn Naugahyde chair with a towel over the seat and enough room for her to kneel in front of it, and a sink with a spout designed for frontal and rear cleaning. I don't believe I have ever had a girl wash my asshole before, but she did a thorough job, making sure to clean "tongue depth", which as it turned out was fairly deep. After the cleaning, legs back and straight to rimming, which I think I enjoy because it's rare to find a girl who will do it more than because it feels good. Continued with an excellent BJ and eventually CIM, which she took admirably. Something got lost in the translation, but at some point she offered boom-boom, which I declined. Overall I thought it was a great, if extremely seedy, experience.

Later last night I walked over to Lolita's, but there were only two girls, and neither of them met my standard, such as it is. They told me they open at 9 and there would be more girls. I ended up navigating the obstacle course of pool bar girls and in about 5 minutes found an attractive FL with no ladyboy warning signs. Reasonable performance for 2 K baht.

8:40 on Sunday morning and I'm trying to figure out whether to walk up to Lolita's and try to get an early nut, and maybe go for 3 today, or save my semen and go to Snow White later. Such are the decisions faced by the first-time visitor here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3019734]Your experience summarizes my experience with BJ bars. Bearing in mind I will let almost anyone suck my dick bit prefer they not be hideous.

7-heaven Pretty younger girls with adequate skills. If optics are your thing go here.

Wood Bar. These are girls who used to be hot but now older or heavier. Pleasant enough to look at. But not hags. Amazing skills.

Other BJ bars. Ouch. Very hard to find someone pleasant looking enough to suck my dick.

That's my pov. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Speaking of optics, what's the top massage shop in BKK now? I don't mind paying a higher budget for top notch optics as I am a younger guy.

I'm a newbie to thailand so I do not know where is the best type for optics, either gogo bars, massage places, thermae or even online.

In Jakarta for example, there is a clear market segment for premium places with much better optics like 1001 pool vs typical cheaper spots like classic.

In town for two nights. Yesterday got in hotel (by Nana) just at check in time. Horny but needed energy so quick meal at C21 food court. Met a girl on Tinder who was 'New Friends' status. Petite 30 something great body with small tits. Not as pretty as I'd hoped but was very sweet and accommodating. Agreed to 2 K for possibly 2 shots if I could manage. I couldn't but many positions and good BBBJ. 2 K.

Back in hotel from bit of shopping around noon today. Horny so hit up a WeChat girl I couldn't see last time in town. Very pretty and slim, small tits again but OK. Great BJ skills and had to slow her down. Different positions and finished face down from doggy. Offered to bring a friend next time. Could be worth it for a longer sesh. 1700 B.

Maybe one more before fly back to the Nang. Want some biggish tits and slim. Must try harder.

Found on TF a 26 year old Tanzanian girl. My first. 5 5", terrific body, great skin and slim, nice chest, too, finally. She seemed a bit aloof somehow. Maybe due to when she arrived: I told her to enter reception, but she was standing down the alley and a couple of massage girls sitting opposite hotel entrance were beckoning her, knowing that she was visiting a hotel guest. I think she felt a bit uncomfortable. I had to go out and wave her in. It could have been her nature, though. I think Africans are more inclined to be a bit relaxed and it can come across as arrogance or aloofness. (correct me if this is over-generalizing) . Things seemed to pick up a bit in room. She had the long corn rows while on her TF photos just very short hair which I liked. She demonstrated they were just extensions. She said she's here for some months yet so I might rebook her if I return in a couple of months or so. Anyway, I expected her BJ skills to be good but they were just average. Next on with the rubber. Cowgirl so I could see her magnificence. Man, could she move her hips. Anyway in order not to pop too soon I suggested we fuck against the large wall mirror. When she got off we saw the broken rubber. Fuck! It was my last. She brought none. So more BJ and I had her handjob me over her chest. Decorated her more than I expected considering my previous unloading earlier today. Cost 2 k.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3019796]I've done the same for the price undiscussed fuck, paying at exit, or at cashier desk downstairs.

Only once have I had the uncomfortable moment of the girl wanting, more like expecting more, and it was a low key quiet request for more at that.

I defused it with an extra 200, she wasn't happy still, but she begrudgingly took it anyway, realising that was all that was on offer.[/QUOTE]If you would have gone back the next day, she would have accepted the same amount. I have never fallen for that act.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3019739]Good insight, as I was about to walk up the street to Lolita's LOL.
[/QUOTE]Maybe you should have done the walk. I just ate at the really nice Gregorian restaurant opposite of Lolita's (I recommend the restaurant). Unfortunately I had just had a thai massage + BJ at some random massage shop nearby before eating, but if not, I think there were one or two ok-ish women outside of Lolita's whose services I would have used.

Even Duangporn had some ok-ish women last time I went past. Perhaps I need to get my glasses prescription checked.

What is standard ST prices these days? I am on thai friendly and getting a lot of 3 k quotes. 2k probably enough. Some of the stunners obviously want more.

[QUOTE=KyivBound1986;3019861]What is standard ST prices these days? I am on thai friendly and getting a lot of 3 k quotes. 2k probably enough. Some of the stunners obviously want more.[/QUOTE]

For TF in Bangkok: 1500-2000.

1500 gets rejected often enough (50% of the time?), 2000 almost never, but almost all quote something more initially. Except one gal, who quoted 1200 before I had time to offer her 1500, and which is why it's almost always a good idea to get them to tell how much they want first. She turned up with her travel bag 20 minutes later, as apparently she was on her way to pattaya. Stopping at my place for a shower and a quick fuck was too convenient of an opportunity for her to miss.

There are some quoting 5000, or even 8000 I've also seen. Apparently my 1500 offer is less than the price of their shoes, from what they tell me. That's some expensive night market sandals they must be wearing.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3019751]....but everyone knows the basics (500-HJ, 1000-BJ, 1500 FS)[/QUOTE]"Everyone knows" isn't a very objective or substantiated argument. Where exactly did you get those figures from ?

Show us more documented evidence.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019560]LOL.

When we are together in Bangkok she doesn't like to go out of the house much. She prefers to watch her series on TV and on her smartphone all day long (Squid Games is one of her favorites). And I used to fuck her in the evening (after going to Billboard) and if possible in the morning too.

When you're with your girlfriend, do you do everything all day and all night with each other ? Shopping, meals, TV, everything, everything, morning, afternoon, evening... Great, I can't, it's beyond my strength.[/QUOTE]When traveling in Thailand, my ideal breakdown of time is:

1/3 with girlfriend to visit places such as Chiang Mai, Koh Samet, Hua Hin, and wherever. She must have a job that restricts her travel ability, otherwise she will want to be with you 24/7 for your entire Thailand trip. Find your girlfriend on ThaiFriendly 2 or 3 months before travel, I target women 20-25 years younger than me. Whatever money she loses from not working, I give her in cash. No P4P money.

1/3 with a wingman. These are easy to find at restaurants, hotel breakfast, this website, or beer bars. But finding a good wing man is not so easy.

1/3 alone.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3019751]I'm all for the Brotherhood helping each other in P4 P, but we have to call it out just the same when things are not correct.[/QUOTE]Are you giving moral and behavioral lessons on the dos and don'ts of employing prostitutes here on ISG?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019858]Maybe you should have done the walk. I just ate at the really nice Gregorian restaurant opposite of Lolita's (I recommend the restaurant). Unfortunately I had just had a thai massage + BJ at some random massage shop nearby before eating, but if not, I think there were one or two ok-ish women outside of Lolita's whose services I would have used.

Even Duangporn had some ok-ish women last time I went past. Perhaps I need to get my glasses prescription checked.[/QUOTE]You mean Argo, Greek Georgian? Excellent. Try the Lobio and Shmerkuli.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019866]For TF in Bangkok: 1500-2000.

1500 gets rejected often enough (50% of the time?), 2000 almost never, but almost all quote something more initially. Except one gal, who quoted 1200 before I had time to offer her 1500, and which is why it's almost always a good idea to get them to tell how much they want first. She turned up with her travel bag 20 minutes later, as apparently she was on her way to pattaya. Stopping at my place for a shower and a quick fuck was too convenient of an opportunity for her to miss.

There are some quoting 5000, or even 8000 I've also seen. Apparently my 1500 offer is less than the price of their shoes, from what they tell me. That's some expensive night market sandals they must be wearing.[/QUOTE]Could you clarify that these were your own personal investigations and that these proposals were rejected.

This will make it clearer for everyone, because I'm afraid there's some confusion in the generalization in your wording.

Maybe when they see your face on TF, they'll raise the prices.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019866]For TF in Bangkok: 1500-2000.

1500 gets rejected often enough (50% of the time?), 2000 almost never, but almost all quote something more initially. Except one gal, who quoted 1200 before I had time to offer her 1500, and which is why it's almost always a good idea to get them to tell how much they want first. She turned up with her travel bag 20 minutes later, as apparently she was on her way to pattaya. Stopping at my place for a shower and a quick fuck was too convenient of an opportunity for her to miss.

There are some quoting 5000, or even 8000 I've also seen. Apparently my 1500 offer is less than the price of their shoes, from what they tell me. That's some expensive night market sandals they must be wearing.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, yes 2 k seems standard in Bangkok. Pattaya cheaper. Obviously if they are hotter they can charge more, however it is low season and a buyers market. I have had a few quote 5 k and only one quote 8 k but think she is an instagram 'model'.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019858]Maybe you should have done the walk. I just ate at the really nice Gregorian restaurant opposite of Lolita's (I recommend the restaurant). Unfortunately I had just had a thai massage + BJ at some random massage shop nearby before eating, but if not, I think there were one or two ok-ish women outside of Lolita's whose services I would have used.

Even Duangporn had some ok-ish women last time I went past. Perhaps I need to get my glasses prescription checked.[/QUOTE]It is so close I can't help walk by on the way to Nana BTS. I went to Chatuchak yesterday and almost stopped at Lolita's because there were a couple of decent looking girls there. Funny, I seem to recall seeing some guy on the patio of the restaurant across the street and in my mind imagining that he was an ex-pat board member. Met up later with a fellow board member who took me on a tour of the Soi 22 spots and surrounding areas. Ended up at Mango and had a nice time. Definitely better than 8 Fantasy.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3019961]It is so close I can't help walk by on the way to Nana BTS. I went to Chatuchak yesterday and almost stopped at Lolita's because there were a couple of decent looking girls there. Funny, I seem to recall seeing some guy on the patio of the restaurant across the street and in my mind imagining that he was an ex-pat board member. Met up later with a fellow board member who took me on a tour of the Soi 22 spots and surrounding areas. Ended up at Mango and had a nice time. Definitely better than 8 Fantasy.[/QUOTE]Did he look really handsome? Might have been me indeed.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3019896]You mean Argo, Greek Georgian? Excellent. Try the Lobio and Shmerkuli.[/QUOTE]Right, Georgian. Thanks for the correction and the other suggestions.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019892]"Everyone knows" isn't a very objective or substantiated argument. Where exactly did you get those figures from ?

Show us more documented evidence.[/QUOTE]How did you get to be a senior member and not even know how to RTFF?

It's plastered all over reviews going back 20+ years. You not being able to do a simple forum search and barking speaks volume and explains a lot about your attitude.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3019902]Could you clarify that these were your own personal investigations and that these proposals were rejected.

This will make it clearer for everyone, because I'm afraid there's some confusion in the generalization in your wording.

Maybe when they see your face on TF, they'll raise the prices.[/QUOTE]I prefer to preserve my anonymity on TF, so I use your face in my profile picture there.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3019975]Did he look really handsome? Might have been me indeed.[/QUOTE]I was thinking he was either a fellow board member or a GQ model.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3019978]How did you get to be a senior member and not even know how to RTFF?

It's plastered all over reviews going back 20+ years. You not being able to do a simple forum search and barking speaks volume and explains a lot about your attitude.[/QUOTE]It's not me who came looking for you, and I think it's rather you who's barking and being aggressive. I don't think you know how to do anything else.

Otherwise, you talk a lot, but you still don't provide any evidence to support your claims about prices and/or tips. Let me explain: basically, we don't care about your 20+ years review, it's just your opinion that doesn't have much value. Be specific. Reminder of what you said : "...but everyone knows the basics (500-HJ, 1000-BJ, 1500 FS)". Who is "everyone" ? You ? Your friends on ISG ?

Show me. I'm waiting....

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3020082]It's not me who came looking for you, and I think it's rather you who's barking and being aggressive. I don't think you know how to do anything else.

Otherwise, you talk a lot, but you still don't provide any evidence to support your claims about prices and/or tips. And be specific. Reminder of what you said : "...but everyone knows the basics (500-HJ, 1000-BJ, 1500 FS)"

Show me. I'm waiting....[/QUOTE]Since you paid nothing for the HJ, does that mean you think the price is zero?

Anyway, if you google "price of handjob Bangkok", the first hit says this "Happy endings cost 300-500 Baht for a hand job, 500-1,000 Baht for a blow job and 1,000-2,000 Baht for sex. ".

And yeah, everyone kind of knows that.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3020030]I was thinking he was either a fellow board member or a GQ model.[/QUOTE]Say hi to me next time.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3020030]I was thinking he was either a fellow board member or a GQ model.[/QUOTE]I wasn't in town.

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[QUOTE=Werqweq;3020096]Say hi to me next time.[/QUOTE]Well, I pulled the trigger this morning but I think I missed you. Had enough time to stop by right after opening before catching a flight to Siem Reap for a few days before returning for Bangkok round two. Not great choices but concluded that the bar to suck a load of cum out of my dick for $30 is low enough that at least one was acceptable. For those who might be interested, Lolita's has one big room with a bunch of couches and screens to separate each area. Less private than Wood Bar but a bit less seedy. I was the only one there, but I imagine the sound effects might be interesting when the place is busy. No sink so just a wipe down before going to work. No rimming and considerably less talented than #4 at Wood Bar, but got the job done, although she did the fake CIM and caught it on her chin and hand without actually taking it in her mouth.

I have concluded that I like the BJ bar format and having a girl on her knees who understands the assignment is a lovely way to start the day. Back Friday for a week and will be sure to dine at the Argo, with or without a BJ at Lolita's.

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I am planning my first real trip overseas next year. And it will be my first mongering trip. I am one of those guys who does so much research, that by the time I get to a place, it's almost as if it's not a NEW place anymore.

Will be traveling to Thailand next year SOLO and will be staying in the Sukhumvit area of Bangkok. I have already narrowed down Hotel Aira, which I am told is a pretty darn good hotel.

Through out my stay I do plan to visit GoGo Bars, Beer Bars, Massage Places, and also pick up a Freelancer (FL) from Thermae.

I have few specific questions:

I understand that Beer Bars and GoGo Bars have similar business model. You walk in, get yourself a drink, and get lady a lady drink. Then you ask the Mamasan if you would like to BarFine them. If they can be barfine you take them for short-term (ST) or long term (LT). I also understand that beer bars are somewhat more casual and GoGo are more high pressured and right-to-the-business, but basically same business model and a longer business cycle- compared to say massage parlor. Also it is my understanding that in GoGo you will have girls dancing on the stage. Usually scantily dressed.

I would prefer going to a beer bar over GoGo, but at least want to go in a GoGo once. To say I have been to one. My question is that how you tell the difference between GoGo and Beer bar? Does the GoGo bar say so outside? I am assuming there will be some bouncer or guard outside. Can you just ask them. I also don't want them getting the wind that I am a rookie and this is my first international rodeo and then ripping me off.

As I am of Indian descent (US Citizen though) I am prepared to be discriminated against and rejected a few times. Especially at GoGo bars. That's fine. It's part of the game. It's their country. Not mine. So they make the rules.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3020352]My question is that how you tell the difference between GoGo and Beer bar?[/QUOTE]I think the difference is what you mentioned. Gogos have a dude or dudes minding the entrance and the curtain or layout itself may block your view of what's inside. Also there may be numerous scantily clad girls hanging out outside, taking a break, eating a snack, whatever. My beer bar experience is nil, but I did see many. It's more open layout, with lots of casually dressed girls sitting at tables or wherever towards the front.

My humble opinion as a 1 time visitor (low season 2025): Talent at the gogos is significantly better on average. I didn't spend much time at beer bars, but I did mill around a bit. The girls seemed older and thicker and more mileage on them. I did see some hot Kenyans playing pool one night. BUT that is not to say there were no viable prospects at the beer bars. I saw some cuties.

But I don't think you will find a 19 year old 90 pound 4 foot 11 inch spinner like I did at Baccara hopping all over me with no panties under her skirt at a beer bar (maybe I am ignorant about this though). So at least for my tastes, it was not even close and I don't drink, so I didn't see the point of beer bars. Also at the gogos, you can vet their physique better since they are naked or nearly so.

BTW, I saw lots of Indians having a good time. I was discriminated against as a gaijin in Tokyo earlier this year LOL. Just moved on to the next place.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3020352]I am planning my first real trip overseas next year. And it will be my first mongering trip. I am one of those guys who does so much research, that by the time I get to a place, it's almost as if it's not a NEW place anymore.

Will be traveling to Thailand next year SOLO and will be staying in the Sukhumvit area of Bangkok. I have already narrowed down Hotel Aira, which I am told is a pretty darn good hotel.

Through out my stay I do plan to visit GoGo Bars, Beer Bars, Massage Places, and also pick up a Freelancer (FL) from Thermae.

I have few specific questions:

I understand that Beer Bars and GoGo Bars have similar business model. You walk in, get yourself a drink, and get lady a lady drink. Then you ask the Mamasan if you would like to BarFine them. If they can be barfine you take them for short-term (ST) or long term (LT). I also understand that beer bars are somewhat more casual and GoGo are more high pressured and right-to-the-business, but basically same business model and a longer business cycle- compared to say massage parlor. Also it is my understanding that in GoGo you will have girls dancing on the stage. Usually scantily dressed.

I would prefer going to a beer bar over GoGo, but at least want to go in a GoGo once. To say I have been to one. My question is that how you tell the difference between GoGo and Beer bar? Does the GoGo bar say so outside? I am assuming there will be some bouncer or guard outside. Can you just ask them. I also don't want them getting the wind that I am a rookie and this is my first international rodeo and then ripping me off.

As I am of Indian descent (US Citizen though) I am prepared to be discriminated against and rejected a few times. Especially at GoGo bars. That's fine. It's part of the game. It's their country. Not mine. So they make the rules.[/QUOTE]I think it's much easier than the other poster said to tell. There are really only two gogo areas. Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. Pretty much everything else is a beer bar. Nana is def better than Cowboy. Billboard inside Nana plaza is consider the best by most including myself. So if you want to go to a gogo go to Nana Plaza. And at least go to billboard if not others. There are prob 20-30 gogos in there.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3020386]I think it's much easier than the other poster said to tell. There are really only two gogo areas. Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. Pretty much everything else is a beer bar. Nana is def better than Cowboy. Billboard inside Nana plaza is consider the best by most including myself. So if you want to go to a gogo go to Nana Plaza. And at least go to billboard if not others. There are prob 20-30 gogos in there.[/QUOTE]I actually liked Soi Cowboy and environs better than Nana Plaza (where discrimination was also worse too). And there's also Patpong, the oldest red light district in Bangkok. But you have to be extra on guard for the lady boys in Patpong I found.

Can you recommend some normal massage places where girls offer a HJ (or more) for a tip?

I know these places are common, but most of them suck:

1. I don't expect a high quality massage like in a spa. But I don't want a complete fake massage either. At least she should work on me.

2. I want the full hour that I pay for before any extras. Unfortunately many massage ladies in these HJ shops now try to cut down the time to get to the upsell as quick as possible.

3. I don't expect a luxury spa facility, but I don't want a shit hole either.

4. I don't mind if the ladies are on the older side in fact, I have a fetish for MILFS with hairy pussy and big (maybe even saggy) tits. I just don't want fat and ugly.

Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=TheCane;3020392]I actually liked Soi Cowboy and environs better than Nana Plaza (where discrimination was also worse too). And there's also Patpong, the oldest red light district in Bangkok. But you have to be extra on guard for the lady boys in Patpong I found.[/QUOTE]They let indian s in front entrance but they don't let them in Bars. Weird. .

At Nana Plaza.

Same ethnicity here, and I have had the best of times in Nana Plaza with two other Indian friends. Money and kindness can do wonders. Some points and results from my experience.

- Be nice to everyone, not only the girls but also the mamasan, cleaner, server. Dress well, smell good.

- Set aside some money (you converting US $ to THB. Similar situation to us converting Euros) to buy a couple of rounds of drinks to the server and mamasan. You don't HAVE to. But doing it will make you their VVVIP customer for the night.

- A small tip to the cleaner, both at the table and in the restrooms.

- All the above got the bar owner to our table for some casual chat. Everyone sees what you do and that makes a difference.

- If you want to barfine 1 girl but like 3 on stage, get them all to the table and buy them drinks. You will pick the better one when they talk to you normally at the table.

- We bought a drink to the entire place (all servers, mamasans) a couple of times. It was reciprocated by a couple of rounds of tequila shots on the house for us 3.

- Go with a mindset to spend money, make memories, have a good time. Barfining any girl is the easy part then.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3020352]
As I am of Indian descent (US Citizen though) I am prepared to be discriminated against and rejected a few times. Especially at GoGo bars. That's fine. It's part of the game. It's their country. Not mine. So they make the rules.[/QUOTE]

Well, both are different, you will find the GoGo bars only in specific areas, particularly the popular one in Soi Cowboy and Nana, both are mildly different form each other, the gogos are inside usuall closed with curtains on the main door, In GoGo you will see lot of girls in very little and tine bikinis dancing on the stage and loiterinf of the stage, you can go inside no issues, find yourself a place and some one will come to take order for drinks, almost immedeatily the beauties will try and grab a place almost on your lap and start chatting, you can then play around with them and you can do it till you keep buying drinks for them, they usually take turns to go up on the stage and one up will come down, if in case you like someone you talk to girl directly and she wil negotiate the prices for ST and LT and also quote the barfine, no need to talk to Mamasan, but they are open and there to help you. Rest is all upto you.

While the bars can be found at lot of places moreover lot of them spread around in alleys of Sukhumvit, the scene is bars is that the girls are bit more decently dressed, and may be willing or not willing to come with you, all you have to do is see if you like the place and the crowd just go in get some drinks chat with the girls if you like strike the deal and take her. The bars are more lit and are brightter the gogo.

Massage places, The soapy as per my expereince are very mechanical and boring, where yiou will be there and rest will be as per the massuese, the oily are bit flexi but still similar, my expereince was better to get a nice massage girl to your hotel and have a good time.

Other options include thermae, and online, I ahve been to BKK several times. Have a good time.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3020352]I am planning my first real trip overseas next year. And it will be my first mongering trip. I am one of those guys who does so much research, that by the time I get to a place, it's almost as if it's not a NEW place anymore.

Will be traveling to Thailand next year SOLO and will be staying in the Sukhumvit area of Bangkok. I have already narrowed down Hotel Aira, which I am told is a pretty darn good hotel.

Through out my stay I do plan to visit GoGo Bars, Beer Bars, Massage Places, and also pick up a Freelancer (FL) from Thermae.

I have few specific questions:

I understand that Beer Bars and GoGo Bars have similar business model. You walk in, get yourself a drink, and get lady a lady drink. Then you ask the Mamasan if you would like to BarFine them. If they can be barfine you take them for short-term (ST) or long term (LT). I also understand that beer bars are somewhat more casual and GoGo are more high pressured and right-to-the-business, but basically same business model and a longer business cycle- compared to say massage parlor. Also it is my understanding that in GoGo you will have girls dancing on the stage. Usually scantily dressed.

I would prefer going to a beer bar over GoGo, but at least want to go in a GoGo once. To say I have been to one. My question is that how you tell the difference between GoGo and Beer bar? Does the GoGo bar say so outside? I am assuming there will be some bouncer or guard outside. Can you just ask them. I also don't want them getting the wind that I am a rookie and this is my first international rodeo and then ripping me off.

As I am of Indian descent (US Citizen though) I am prepared to be discriminated against and rejected a few times. Especially at GoGo bars. That's fine. It's part of the game. It's their country. Not mine. So they make the rules.[/QUOTE]

I used fiwfans quite a bit some years back, but on my trip a year ago I got burned quite bad by two really shitty experiences in a row on the same day. After that, I took a break from fiwfans, but been planning to try it again, and with only a couple weeks left of my stay, today was the day.


Loaded up one of the replacement sites. Fan4you seems to be the best one, but even that works quite poorly. The previous site, fiwfans, worked quite well technically. These new sites: not much. Are there any other replacements that work better?

I set the age range to 20-21, city Bangkok, and clicked on a couple of girls who should not be too far away. Contacted the first I thought looked cute, and asked to book an hour for 40 minutes later. Got an "ok" response a couple of minutes later, so collected my stuff, booked grab motorbike to the nearest mrt, jumped off 5 stations later, walked 5 minutes to the hotel, arriving 3-4 minutes late.

Messaged I had arrived, but were told by admin to please wait. Waited another 10 minutes until admin sent me the room number and said I could go up.

Went up and a friendly 20 yo next-door type of girl opened up.
Fiwfans has a lot of horribly photoshopped girls, taking a girl from 5 to 8, so expect the worst, but this girl was not too bad. I think one of her photos on the site may even be without photoshopping, though others were. Some of the photoshopped photos made her look like an 8, but in real life she was a 7, which is pretty small difference as far as fiwfans is concerned.

I've met 8s on fiwfans, but unfortunately since they photoshop all the girls, you never know who's a real 8, and who's a oompa loompa photoshopped up to an 8. The one or two 8s I did meet looked better in real-life than in their photoshopped photos, bizarrely enough.

I was planning to post her fiwfans profile details here, but changed my mind due to the BBFS, as I don't want that to create problems for her due to some idiot.


Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised, girl was friendly, and after calibrating her for half a minute, I handed over the 1500 baht for my one hour booking.

We got along well enough with my broken thai and she was a friendly, happy girl. She gave me a wash in the shower, then washed herself while I waited on the bed. Then came and sat down next to me in her towel. Usually I become a bit of a starfish at this point, waiting for her to suck my dick, but we were getting along rather well with chatting and joking, so I just pulled her down to me and loosened up her towel, so we could snuggle a bit, body to body.

We kept talking and snuggling for a bit. She was 20 year old and from Korat, but now living in Bangkok. I've driven through Korat a couple of times on private business, so we were practically best friends now.

Kept laying like this on the bed, also doing some light kissing on the lips and her boobs (above average for a small thai girl) with her on top, before I rolled her over on her back. Continued for a bit, before I started to slowly enter her pussy. Was a bit tight, so lubricated a bit more with my saliva. She asked about condom, but told her I didn't want. She was a bit unsure about this, but let me enter anyway.

She was obviously suffering a bit with size, so I told her I'd be really slow and gentle, and thus rocked in and out with just the head for a while, then going deeper and deeper. Took a while, but after some time I could go in all the way. Banged like that for a while, then got off and told her to get on top.

Before getting on top she asked about condom again, "a little bit"? Not sure exactly what she meant as she was speaking Thai, but told her again I did not want it, and she proceeded to, with some reservations put my dick inside.

She did a pretty decent job of riding cow-girl, occasionally grimacing in pain, occasionally moaning quite loud with some pleasure, and might also have faked a quiet orgasm or two while on top? Not sure. After some time I asked her if she was tired, to which she answered yes, so flipped her on her back and continued banging her.

After some time she said something in Thai. I didn't quite understand what she said (my thai is so bad), but with the help of her hands, I understood she wanted me to come on her stomach, not inside. Told her in thai I have had an operation and could not have baby, but think she wasn't sure exactly what I meant, so loaded up google translate and typed in vasectomy, etc., there. She asked me if it was really true, and I confirmed, but she was still doubtful I could see.

Anyway, continued banging her, telling her I'm going to finish soon. She again told me I should come outside, I again told her about my vasectomy, she again asked me if I'm really sure? Told her yes, and I'm going to come soon. She grimaced a bit and made some "MmNnnnn" sound, like, I'm not at all sure about what you're telling me, but alas, we kept going at it, and a couple of minutes later I filled her pussy up.

She asked me if I had finished now? Yes. Inside? Yes. Then she gave me a playful slap, while I continued going in and out for a minute or two, before jumping off. She then ran into the shower, and I followed when I heard she had finished. While I was showering she talked a bit more about my vasectomy, and I told her the truth about why I had it done and when. This seemed to relax her a bit and make her less doubting.

Also talked a bit about what kind of customers she got. Mostly Thai, some korea, some china, some vietnam, some Japan. Farang? No, only me.

Got out of the shower, got dressed, asked if she had LINE, which she gave to me. Then before leaving I asked her to give me back the 500 baht note I had given her as part of the 1500 baht payment, so I could give her a 1000 baht note instead, as a tip for the BBFS, and for guessing my age at half of what it really is, and perhaps just in case she wants to spend 50 baht (or whatever it now costs) on the morning after pill if she did not believe me fully, though I of course did not tell her that was the reason. She was by her reaction obviously not expecting the tip, but I thought it nice to give, as a lot of girls do demand something extra for BBFS, so why not reward somebody who does not demand it also? Had she requested 1000 extra for it before we started, I would have accepted after all.

After having left I wasn't sure why I asked for her LINE since I'm only here for two more weeks, and probably will not want to repeat in that time, at least not unless she comes over to my place instead some evening. Guess I just did it because over the years there has been a couple of fiwfans girls I wanted to repeat with, but by the time I got around to looking for them again, they were gone, or possibly using a different admin. Anyway, I could no longer find them then, and regretted having been too lazy to see if they wanted to give me their line when I met them. In particular one girl, who, while no great looker (a 6 or so, 23-24 year old), seemed to genuinely enjoy sucking dick.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3020352]
As I am of Indian descent (US Citizen though) I am prepared to be discriminated against and rejected a few times. Especially at GoGo bars. That's fine. It's part of the game. It's their country. Not mine. So they make the rules.[/QUOTE]It is not discrimination against Indians. It is the reaction to poor experiences the girls may have had with them. I won't go into detail but there are a few reports you can read through about Indians being stingy, little wanting in the hygiene dept. Etc. There is an influx of Indian tourists many of whom have never been out of the country who bring their bad attitudes with them & that has also been bad for the rest. If you put girls at ease by being polite, clean, willing to be a little generous with your cash like I do they relax. I have been discriminated in China, Macau etc. Bcos of my skin color (but a few glorious sessions with drop dead gorgeous models there balanced out the ego) but never in Thailand. Now girls can vary by personality so you will get a bad experience once in a while but I take it as par for the course. Don't over-argue if that happens; just terminate the session as best you can & move on. That's been my experience over the years in Thailand as an Indian.

I'm looking for a specific experience! I'd like to visit a BKK brothel where I can spitroast a girl with the help of a farang stranger. By this I mean: I get my dick sucked by a girl while another guy fucks her in doggy. I don't know any guys who want to do this with me, and frankly, a stranger is preferable. I've had plenty of opportunities for MFF threesomes, but I've never seen an MMF on offer (for obvious reasons, this requires the brothel to find two customers at the same time who want the same girl. Not a simple task! Any advice?

Good to know Indian s aren't being discriminated against.

JoshAllen / Steve 9696 / The Cane / UglyAzzMan / MickeyDuck1208 / Grebe925 / ChoduMadan.

Thanks all for your insightful comments.

I was thinking that GoGo and Beer Bars would be indistinguishable from each other, but opposite seems to be true. I think I should be able to figure out once I get there.

Thanks a lot for everyone's responses.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3020613]I was thinking that GoGo and Beer Bars would be indistinguishable from each other, but opposite seems to be true. I think I should be able to figure out once I get there.
[/QUOTE]Billboard go go gets a lot of love on this forum, it is a good place that may or may not be your cup of tea. Nana has a variety of go go bars that are very different. Be sure to look at several, including 1 or 2 of the smaller places. On my last visit (March), I felt that Geisha and Butterflies had the prettiest girls, though I didn't do a bar fine from either of those.

Anyone been to the Thai bar called Paikanyai Bar recently? Imo some really nice girls there. I only heard about it cause a gogo girl I knew went to try it out.

I know it's not in the tourist zone which 99% of the guys here stick to.

[QUOTE=TKOman;3020568]I'm looking for a specific experience! I'd like to visit a BKK brothel where I can spitroast a girl with the help of a farang stranger. By this I mean: I get my dick sucked by a girl while another guy fucks her in doggy. I don't know any guys who want to do this with me, and frankly, a stranger is preferable. I've had plenty of opportunities for MFF threesomes, but I've never seen an MMF on offer (for obvious reasons, this requires the brothel to find two customers at the same time who want the same girl. Not a simple task! Any advice?[/QUOTE]I may be down if I can get there, would be end of Sept.

Howdy,

Could anybody share the top massage experience with the hottest ladies that comes with endings / FS -- I'm not talking fishbowl, although I am trying to put the levels of things into context, but maybe something that is ultra high end but still features PSE / GFE or close to it?

And on that note, what is the best route to finding a LT multi-day or all night GFE? ThaiFriendly website or what else would be the best resources for the best quality ladies?

I am going to read the last hundred or so pages to get some info, but in the meantime if anybody could let me know the best approach, and if I should also stay in a lady friendly hotel or if that doesn't really matter if I'm staying a week in Bangkok?

Thanks why'all.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3020468]I used fiwfans

I was pleasantly surprised, girl was friendly, and after calibrating her for half a minute, I handed over the 1500 baht for my one hour booking.
Then before leaving I asked her to give me back the 500 baht note I had given her as part of the 1500 baht payment, so I could give her a 1000 baht note instead, as a tip for the BBFS

After having left I wasn't sure why I asked for her LINE since I'm only here for two more weeks[/QUOTE]Wow! Nice find. Great FR on Fiwfans girl, Werqweq. Happy Punting.

Cheers.

Di.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;3020401]Can you recommend some normal massage places where girls offer a HJ (or more) for a tip?
I know these places are common, but most of them suck:
1. I don't expect a high quality massage like in a spa. But I don't want a complete fake massage either. At least she should work on me.
2. I want the full hour that I pay for before any extras. Unfortunately many massage ladies in these HJ shops now try to cut down the time to get to the upsell as quick as possible.
3. I don't expect a luxury spa facility, but I don't want a shit hole either.
4. I don't mind if the ladies are on the older side in fact, I have a fetish for MILFS with hairy pussy and big (maybe even saggy) tits. I just don't want fat and ugly.
Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Bangkok, 3 months ago, I got a decent massage and HJ from an acceptable looking MILF in a parlor along Sukhumvit Road, between Soi 4 and Soi 2. It was the first parlor after the gas station, when you walk from Soi 4 towards Soi 2.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3020622]Anyone been to the Thai bar called Paikanyai Bar recently? Imo some really nice girls there. I only heard about it cause a gogo girl I knew went to try it out.

I know it's not in the tourist zone which 99% of the guys here stick to.[/QUOTE]I've been curious about this venue since I learned about it earlier this year. There are a few YouTube videos of the place. I think there are a couple of other similar bars all quite close together. Here is a link that gives what I think is the most comprehensive answer to questions that might be asked. Notably, the mention of barfines / prices are lacking. (Insert sad emoji here.) [URL]https://edifying-bkk.com/en/bar/gogobar_paikanya/[/URL].

Next time in BKK, maybe I can get 2 or 3 other board members together, grab a taxi, and hit this place. I think it's about 30 minutes from Nana Plaza.

Sam.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3019796]I've done the same for the price undiscussed fuck, paying at exit, or at cashier desk downstairs.

Only once have I had the uncomfortable moment of the girl wanting, more like expecting more, and it was a low key quiet request for more at that.

I defused it with an extra 200, she wasn't happy still, but she begrudgingly took it anyway, realising that was all that was on offer.[/QUOTE]Yep. That is an unfortunate risk of going with the flow on things like this.

Many of the girls in Bangkok massage shops (regular massage shops in the tourist areas) think the foreigner price is 1000/2000/3000 (HJ / BJ / FS), and that is what they usually quote at first. Or even more for FS sometimes.
Who knows, maybe the girl is used to getting paid 3,000, and does not want my 2,000? Maybe if she knew I was only going to pay 2000, she would not have let me fuck her, but she wrongly assumed that I "know the price is 3,000, or whatever she thinks the price is"? The onus is on her, but still.

I was at a shop near BTS thong-lo recently. A japanese-oriented shop down a small dead end soi. Has 10-20 women sitting outside (maybe some of the Bangkok residents know which one I'm talking about). You can choose, or get assigned one. Price as normal for thai massage (300/hour), but they all expect you to pay for something "extra" inside the cubicle. Price is 1000/2000/3000. Would not accept my 1000 offer for BJ.

Offered me BJ for 1500 (and FS for 2,000), and also politely informed me that prices in that shop started at 1000, for HJ. I should be flattered? A japanese gentleman was in the cubicle next to me, but my massage finished before his, so not sure what happened there.

While I enjoy the girls not mentioning anything about money, I kind of prefer it if they do. Not only will I then usually negotiate the price down to something lower than 2,000 for FS, but there is also no uncertainty or possibility of unpleasant surprises at the end. Of course, you can also just walk out the door in cases as ours, without paying anything extra at all. Like our dear departed friend seems to do.

[QUOTE=TKOman;3020568]I'm looking for a specific experience! I'd like to visit a BKK brothel where I can spitroast a girl with the help of a farang stranger. By this I mean: I get my dick sucked by a girl while another guy fucks her in doggy. I don't know any guys who want to do this with me, and frankly, a stranger is preferable. I've had plenty of opportunities for MFF threesomes, but I've never seen an MMF on offer (for obvious reasons, this requires the brothel to find two customers at the same time who want the same girl. Not a simple task! Any advice?[/QUOTE]Get a wingman, walk around and ask.

Where can I get a Hitachi magic Wand in Bangkok. A real one, not street fake.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3020352]My question is that how you tell the difference between GoGo and Beer bar? Does the GoGo bar say so outside? I am assuming there will be some bouncer or guard outside.[/QUOTE]It's really even easier than others have said. Nana Plaza has a single entrance with security guards outside. Inside is like a shopping mall of gogo bars. There is a big sign that says "The World's Largest Adult Playground". If it isn't inside the plaza it is a beer bar. I think you will figure it out LOL.

In my 4 day visit (heading back for another week today) I tried two MPs, two blowjob bars, two freelancers, and one beer bar girl (barfine 700 baht). It took me two days to even find Nana plaza, and I was only staying about 4 blocks away.

You will figure out which type of venue works for you. I haven't spent any time in the gogo bars yet, and I will also at least visit Thermae. Gogo bars are definitely the most expensive outlet, but on average have the best-looking girls. I like the blowjob bars, but I may do LT with my beer bar girl, or with another one I have lined up.

You said you feel like you know the place from reading the forum. Trust me; you don't. The choices can be overwhelming. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3020708]Where can I get a Hitachi magic Wand in Bangkok. A real one, not street fake.[/QUOTE]I don't know, but it's got to be easier than finding weed in Siem Reap rn LOL.

(Inside joke).

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3020807]It's really even easier than others have said. Nana Plaza has a single entrance with security guards outside. Inside is like a shopping mall of gogo bars. There is a big sign that says "The World's Largest Adult Playground". If it isn't inside the plaza it is a beer bar. I think you will figure it out LOL.

In my 4 day visit (heading back for another week today) I tried two MPs, two blowjob bars, two freelancers, and one beer bar girl (barfine 700 baht). It took me two days to even find Nana plaza, and I was only staying about 4 blocks away.

You will figure out which type of venue works for you. I haven't spent any time in the gogo bars yet, and I will also at least visit Thermae. Gogo bars are definitely the most expensive outlet, but on average have the best-looking girls. I like the blowjob bars, but I may do LT with my beer bar girl, or with another one I have lined up.

You said you feel like you know the place from reading the forum. Trust me; you don't. The choices can be overwhelming. Have fun![/QUOTE]Thanks for additional tips. That was super helpful. I totally get it when you say it can still be overwhelming, but at least social media, and the Internet has bridged some gap.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3020842]I don't know, but it's got to be easier than finding weed in Siem Reap rn LOL.

(Inside joke).[/QUOTE]Back in stock.

Welp, got back from Siem Reap last night. The girl I barfined from the place a few doors down from my hotel had stayed in touch and wanted to come over for LT and have breakfast in the morning. 4 K plus additional 700 barfine because she was missing Friday night. We discussed plans and I think I'm just going to keep her for the week. Sweet body, smokes weed, pretty good English, likes to kiss, and killer body. Very GFE.

I'm a bit ambivalent about giving up all the other options (more or less) but I like having someone to eat with, spend time with, and damn, there is nothing like having a nice soft, firm body to sleep with.

Everyone will find the style that suits them. For me, I think I'm going to really enjoy the next week.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3021000]Welp, got back from Siem Reap last night. The girl I barfined from the place a few doors down from my hotel had stayed in touch and wanted to come over for LT and have breakfast in the morning. 4 K plus additional 700 barfine because she was missing Friday night. We discussed plans and I think I'm just going to keep her for the week. Sweet body, smokes weed, pretty good English, likes to kiss, and killer body. Very GFE.

I'm a bit ambivalent about giving up all the other options (more or less) but I like having someone to eat with, spend time with, and damn, there is nothing like having a nice soft, firm body to sleep with.

Everyone will find the style that suits them. For me, I think I'm going to really enjoy the next week.[/QUOTE]How was Siem Reap?

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3021004]How was Siem Reap?[/QUOTE]I'll post on the Siem Reap forum at some point, but the short story is if you go to see the temples you can probably find a girl, but it's not a place you go to get laid.

Headed to Bangkok in 2 days, and still not booked a hotel yet, how fucked am I?

I am just looking for a affordable place with reliable Wi-Fi, table I can work with and close to the action.

Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated. Thank you.

Check out nearby areas like Sukhumvit, Asok, Ratchathewi, Pathum Wan.

[QUOTE=Chicharito99;3021147]Headed to Bangkok in 2 days, and still not booked a hotel yet, how fucked am I?

I am just looking for a affordable place with reliable Wi-Fi, table I can work with and close to the action.

Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicharito99;3021147]Headed to Bangkok in 2 days, and still not booked a hotel yet, how fucked am I?

I am just looking for a affordable place with reliable Wi-Fi, table I can work with and close to the action.

Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Not sure what is affordable to you but try Citadines on soi 8 or 11.

[URL]https://www.discoverasr.com/en/citadines/thailand/citadines-sukhumvit-11-bangkok[/URL]

[URL]https://www.discoverasr.com/en/citadines/thailand/citadines-sukhumvit-8-bangkok[/URL]

[QUOTE=Chicharito99;3021147]Headed to Bangkok in 2 days, and still not booked a hotel yet, how fucked am I?

I am just looking for a affordable place with reliable Wi-Fi, table I can work with and close to the action.

Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Just walk into the Nasty Nana and tell them to give you a room. It is Bangkok, plenty of rooms everywhere.

Magic table is advertised as a place where the girls dance on mirrored tables, and the online review sites say that blowjobs are available. This sounds like a great combo to me. I would like to take a hot one into the VIP room, let her dance for me to whet my appetite, then get a blowjob. Thus, I decided to take one for the team and check Magic Table. You can thank me later.

A non-starter latched on to me on the way in, and led me to the bar. Bartender was busy in the back so I had a few minutes to ask her questions. Unfortunately non-starter didn't speak english or shitty thai (I don't speak thai. I speak shitty thai). Bartender arrives and it took me about 7 tries to get a LEO. Obviously he doesn't speak shitty thai either. Funny. I've been able to naviagte that conversation effectively for 6 months now. Not sure why neither my english nor my thai was working that night.

Finally I get my beer (90 baht) and mamasan comes over. I ask how much for a blowjob in the back room. This seems to be a confusing question as she has to look at the non-starter and the bartender to answer the question. Finally she answers 1500 baht. I smile and say thank you, pull the beer condom off my LEO and headed out.

I would have asked what amount of time was included, what disrobing wold occur, would this be BBBJCIM, but something seemed off and I just bugged out. Not sure why everyone I talked to was all deer-in-the-headlights.

I'll wait a month or two and try again.

Fargler.

P.S. Of course, I just went over to Wood Bar. As someone else pointed out. There were NO 800 baht girls available. Just 1000 baht girls. No complaints from me.

[QUOTE=Fargler;3021246]Magic table is advertised as a place where the girls dance on mirrored tables, and the online review sites say that blowjobs are available. This sounds like a great combo to me. I would like to take a hot one into the VIP room, let her dance for me to whet my appetite, then get a blowjob. Thus, I decided to take one for the team and check Magic Table. You can thank me later.

A non-starter latched on to me on the way in, and led me to the bar. Bartender was busy in the back so I had a few minutes to ask her questions. Unfortunately non-starter didn't speak English or shitty thai (I don't speak thai. I speak shitty thai). Bartender arrives and it took me about 7 tries to get a LEO. Obviously he doesn't speak shitty thai either. Funny. I've been able to navigate that conversation effectively for 6 months now. Not sure why neither my english nor my thai was working that night.[/QUOTE]A few years ago I got my one and only ever unsolicited surprise Thai P4P girl Swallow at the conclusion of a BBBJCIM in Magic Table.

Wasn't there a small menu of options on a little holder on one of those mirrored tables listing the cost of a Blowjob? Seems to me it was 1,500 baht back then too.

I went there a few times several years ago because one of their VIP rooms, included in the price, was actually set up to facilitate a more comfortable position for the receiver and the giver of the blowjob. For my preference anyway.

But, similar to your experience, I stopped going there because the line up dwindled from at least a couple of, let's say 7's as far as BJ Bars go, to maybe one 6 if you hit it on a good night. And, yeah, the girls started to pretend to be weirdly confused about what I was asking for; a simple BBBJCIM. Not a good sign in what is or at least was then touted on those Magic Table menus as a BJ Bar.

Oh, and the new trend shifted to "No, I Only Do Lady Drinks" for the rare 7 who might show up on a given night. That was even pre-Covid.

[QUOTE=Chicharito99;3021147]Headed to Bangkok in 2 days, and still not booked a hotel yet, how fucked am I?

I am just looking for a affordable place with reliable Wi-Fi, table I can work with and close to the action.

Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]There is an entire Bangkok Hotel forum for additional information. I am staying at the Dynasty Grande, which was recommended to me by a member here, and which meets your requirements. About 2 K baht or $60-65 per night. Not on a main street but accessible to Nana Plaza, BTS station, Soi 4 bars, etc. Not luxurious but clean and more than functional. Easy and safe process for female visitors.

This is mostly for stats only. My first encounter was great as I previously reported.

Another day I booked another girl. She opened the door, and she just stood there for a while, looking at me, and I the same. I guess my face gave me away, as the fist words she then uttered were "cancel?" I confirmed, but as you will see, regretted it half an hour later. This girl seemed friendly, based on the little I could gauge during the 10 seconds we stood there looking at each other, but was somewhat disappointing compared to her photos, especially after the previous girl. I guess her photos were 7-8, and real life was 6.

After cancelling I immediately booked another girl staying at the same hotel (but different admin / booker). I've learnt it's best to have some backups nearby. Other girl did not start work until half an hour later (I had enquired about her previously the same morning), so I waited. Unfortunately the next girl, when opening the door, was a 5 at best, and not trying to compensate for her looks by being particularly friendly either.

I'd already spent over an hour now, travel time included, so I thought I'd just go ahead and bang her then. Regretted it later, but oh well. Experience nothing to write home about, and only good thing to say was that she was young (19/20) and thin, but still had some boobs. Tried to work my charm in order to make her more friendly, but no luck.

Third day I booked a girl from same admin as first girl. Tried to enquire about seeing a real, unfiltered photo, but no go. Fortunately this girl, similar to the first girl, looked quite ok. Photos were 8-9, real life was around 7, with a considerably better ass and tits than the average thai girl. She was friendly enough, and even spook English relatively good. Was her third day, and planned to work for a week, and then see.

Gave me a strangely superficial wash in the shower. Had I not showered shortly before I left I'd have to take a proper shower there myself, but at the moment it was ok. Then on to the bed for a rather decent BJ. Told me I was her first farang. Possibly true, as well as only working for three days, but don't know of course. I said I hoped the farang experience would not be too bad.

After BJ-ing for a while, pulled her on top to kiss her boobs. Complimented her boobs, which I was not the first one to do she told me. She was getting somewhat aroused from the grinding against my dick, and reached for the condom eventually, but told her to wait, and continued with her on top for a while, sometimes almost entering, but not quite.

Flipped her over on her back and continued with more of the same. Eventually she let me enter, but after 20-30 seconds had second thoughts. Told her I had had a vasectomy, but she answered honestly enough that was not what she was worried about, so on with the condom. Asked me how it felt after a while, and I answered truthfully "so-so". Tried to change her mind once or twice, but no go. Continued banging her in missionary for a while, then doogie (she had a nice ass that I enjoyed slapping after positioning her so I could see us both in the mirror), and then finally girl on top until she started to get tired. Pulled of the condom then and asked her to continue with BJ, which she did until I came, though she wasn't thrilled I did not warn her.

Talked for a while after I was dressed, and she said "sorry" about the condom thing, but girl had to be careful, and she was a person who worried. I said I too worried, and that's why I'd had the vasectomy, to which she answered, yes, but I not sure. Said I understood (I'm honestly amazed anyone would trust me about that, and some idiot here even reported how he was telling girls he had a vasectomy, but it was not true), and asked her why she did not get a birth control injection? Said she had it already, due to ex-BF (Korea), but she was a person who worried. Maybe if I saw her in a year or two, it would be different, and I would be more happy. Told her I understood, and if I was a girl I'd probably do the same, but still, I like to try.

Talked a bit more about this and that for a while, including an american / thai girl working with the same admin. She had not seen her in real-life, but thought photos looked beautiful, and she showed me. Talked a bit about fake / filtered photos then, and she told me she also had other guys mention that. Then I jumped on a grab motorbike to the closest MRT, and realized upon arrival that I'd gotten my fiwfans hotels confused, and this was the hotel that was actually just a 5 minute walk from the MRT, not half an hour as another hotel that also uses the same MRT station.

Recommend: yes. Friendly girl, good service, pleasant personality, looks good (7).

Repeat: not for me, but only due to forced condom.

Fiwans score so far for me after they "re-opened": 2/4 experiences good.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3021407]This is mostly for stats only. My first encounter was great as I previously reported.

Another day I booked another girl. She opened the door, and she just stood there for a while, looking at me, and I the same. I guess my face gave me away, as the fist words she then uttered were "cancel?" I confirmed, but as you will see, regretted it half an hour later. This girl seemed friendly, based on the little I could gauge during the 10 seconds we stood there looking at each other, but was somewhat disappointing compared to her photos, especially after the previous girl. I guess her photos were 7-8, and real life was 6.

After cancelling I immediately booked another girl staying at the same hotel (but different admin / booker). I've learnt it's best to have some backups nearby. Other girl did not start work until half an hour later (I had enquired about her previously the same morning), so I waited. Unfortunately the next girl, when opening the door, was a 5 at best, and not trying to compensate for her looks by being particularly friendly either.

I'd already spent over an hour now, travel time included, so I thought I'd just go ahead and bang her then. Regretted it later, but oh well. Experience nothing to write home about, and only good thing to say was that she was young (19/20) and thin, but still had some boobs. Tried to work my charm in order to make her more friendly, but no luck.

Third day I booked a girl from same admin as first girl. Tried to enquire about seeing a real, unfiltered photo, but no go. Fortunately this girl, similar to the first girl, looked quite ok. Photos were 8-9, real life was around 7, with a considerably better ass and tits than the average thai girl. She was friendly enough, and even spook English relatively good. Was her third day, and planned to work for a week, and then see.

Gave me a strangely superficial wash in the shower. Had I not showered shortly before I left I'd have to take a proper shower there myself, but at the moment it was ok. Then on to the bed for a rather decent BJ. Told me I was her first farang. Possibly true, as well as only working for three days, but don't know of course. I said I hoped the farang experience would not be too bad.

After BJ-ing for a while, pulled her on top to kiss her boobs. Complimented her boobs, which I was not the first one to do she told me. She was getting somewhat aroused from the grinding against my dick, and reached for the condom eventually, but told her to wait, and continued with her on top for a while, sometimes almost entering, but not quite.

Flipped her over on her back and continued with more of the same. Eventually she let me enter, but after 20-30 seconds had second thoughts. Told her I had had a vasectomy, but she answered honestly enough that was not what she was worried about, so on with the condom. Asked me how it felt after a while, and I answered truthfully "so-so". Tried to change her mind once or twice, but no go. Continued banging her in missionary for a while, then doogie (she had a nice ass that I enjoyed slapping after positioning her so I could see us both in the mirror), and then finally girl on top until she started to get tired. Pulled of the condom then and asked her to continue with BJ, which she did until I came, though she wasn't thrilled I did not warn her.

Talked for a while after I was dressed, and she said "sorry" about the condom thing, but girl had to be careful, and she was a person who worried. I said I too worried, and that's why I'd had the vasectomy, to which she answered, yes, but I not sure. Said I understood (I'm honestly amazed anyone would trust me about that, and some idiot here even reported how he was telling girls he had a vasectomy, but it was not true), and asked her why she did not get a birth control injection? Said she had it already, due to ex-BF (Korea), but she was a person who worried. Maybe if I saw her in a year or two, it would be different, and I would be more happy. Told her I understood, and if I was a girl I'd probably do the same, but still, I like to try.

Talked a bit more about this and that for a while, including an american / thai girl working with the same admin. She had not seen her in real-life, but thought photos looked beautiful, and she showed me. Talked a bit about fake / filtered photos then, and she told me she also had other guys mention that. Then I jumped on a grab motorbike to the closest MRT, and realized upon arrival that I'd gotten my fiwfans hotels confused, and this was the hotel that was actually just a 5 minute walk from the MRT, not half an hour as another hotel that also uses the same MRT station.

Recommend: yes. Friendly girl, good service, pleasant personality, looks good (7).

Repeat: not for me, but only due to forced condom.

Fiwans score so far for me after they "re-opened": 2/4 experiences good.[/QUOTE]Any experience with Smooci out-call services?

What I don't like about FIWFAN, no out-call services. Prefer they travel to see you vice the other way around.

Boss Suites Nana Hotel on Soi 4 is 4-star, only $28, large suites, nice, clean, quiet with nice, cool breeze from the big park. I think they still have free breakfast with eggs cooked to order. Woraburi is on the same alley, 3-star, only $20. Both are about the same with good Wi-Fi, pools and large lobbies open out to the alley, very relaxing. I stayed at various 4 and 5-star hotels on Soi 2, Soi 4 and others in this area, these 2 are nice, clean enough, quiet, not crowded, convenient, laid back and relaxing, staff is fun, friendly like family, very Thai.

Just walk out to soi 4 there are lots of girls day and night on the street and in Nana plaza bars, also lots of restaurants, bars, massages, street food stalls, 7-11 stores ect.

Dozens street girls hang out day and night along Soi 4 with a big crowd of all skin complexion in front of hotel Maison with those plumeria trees. I bagged a beautiful, nice, fun, light-skin, blond hair, horny Kazakh girl with one of the hottest session anywhere ever. Still thinking about going back for her and her friends.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3021000]Welp, got back from Siem Reap last night. The girl I barfined from the place a few doors down from my hotel had stayed in touch and wanted to come over for LT and have breakfast in the morning. 4 K plus additional 700 barfine because she was missing Friday night. We discussed plans and I think I'm just going to keep her for the week. Sweet body, smokes weed, pretty good English, likes to kiss, and killer body. Very GFE.

I'm a bit ambivalent about giving up all the other options (more or less) but I like having someone to eat with, spend time with, and damn, there is nothing like having a nice soft, firm body to sleep with.

Everyone will find the style that suits them. For me, I think I'm going to really enjoy the next week.[/QUOTE]So met my barfine girl Friday night, had sex and breakfast Sat. Morning, and agreed to meet later after I went to Thunderdome to watch Muangthong United v Sukhothai. Monsoon started before halftime, I left early, got back to hotel totally soaked so I could change and we could meet. And she ghosted me. Heard back Sunday that she was sore from morning sex, and haven't heard since. Services delivered and paid for, so no harm, no foul.

Sunday morning I gave up on her before she even got back to me and took a walk to Wood Bar around noon. Third visit, and this one was mid-30's? And reasonably attractive. Service there has been 100% reliable in terms of BBBJ skills and a quality finish. This girl was no exception, but for whatever reason (possibly getting ghosted, but probably spending a couple of hours outside in a monsoon) I was struggling to nut. I finally pointed to her pussy and she grabbed a condom and hopped on. Still took some work but I finally bent her over the chair and finished doggie. No request for extra money, but she was pleased with a generous tip, which was well-earned.

Sunday night ended up being a night off other than watching Arsenal beat Man you with a couple of bargirls, so this morning I took the Metro up to Thong Lo and Snow White. TBH the lineup was unimpressive and mamasan suggested a recommendation, which I accepted, telling me she gives good massage and does everything. She wasn't much to look at, but she did, in fact, give a very good massage, and did everything. DT with facefucking, doggie, and asked if I wanted to fuck her ass before I had a chance to ask. 2500 plus tip. I asked for nuru, and have no idea if she used it for the massage.

Monday night (a couple of hours ago) went out to see the sights on Soi 4. Ended up finding a Vietnamese FL opposite Hillary 2. Pretty girl, probably a little older than most here like but still less than half my age. Had a drink (probably unnecessary but enjoyable), went back, and she performed admirably. Head wasn't great but she worked until she got the nut, which at my age is all I ask.

One of the things I have enjoyed are the non-sexual services that are available and cheap. I was low energy Sunday and finally figured out that there are a few hundred women within a 3 block radius who want to make me feel better. The old lady right next door to my hotel gave me an hour Swedish and deep tissue that was 100% revitalizing for about $20. Toured the temples Monday and walked about 10 K total. Nothing like an hour foot and leg massage for $15. I can only bust so many times, but I can always let a woman make me feel good.

Still have to at least see Thermae. Maybe tomorrow. Otherwise still want to try Secret Kiss. Feeling like I dodged a bullet when I got ghosted LOL.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3021466]Boss Suites Nana Hotel on Soi 4 is 4-star, only $28, large suites, nice, clean, quiet with nice, cool breeze from the big park. I think they still have free breakfast with eggs cooked to order. Woraburi is on the same alley, 3-star, only $20. Both are about the same with good Wi-Fi, pools and large lobbies open out to the alley, very relaxing. I stayed at various 4 and 5-star hotels on Soi 2, Soi 4 and others in this area, these 2 are nice, clean enough, quiet, not crowded, convenient, laid back and relaxing, staff is fun, friendly like family, very Thai.

Just walk out to soi 4 there are lots of girls day and night on the street and in Nana plaza bars, also lots of restaurants, bars, massages, street food stalls, 7-11 stores ect.

Dozens street girls hang out day and night along Soi 4 with a big crowd of all skin complexion in front of hotel Maison with those plumeria trees. I bagged a beautiful, nice, fun, light-skin, blond hair, horny Kazakh girl with one of the hottest session anywhere ever. Still thinking about going back for her and her friends.[/QUOTE]Nice to know about your experience with Kazak girl. Can you share the time when you met and the charges she asked?

Thank you.

Viv.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3021466]Dozens street girls hang out day and night along Soi 4 with a big crowd of all skin complexion in front of hotel Maison with those plumeria trees. I bagged a beautiful, nice, fun, light-skin, blond hair, horny Kazakh girl with one of the hottest session anywhere ever. Still thinking about going back for her and her friends.[/QUOTE]As I know the current lot is all from Uzbekistan, although the distinction is pretty much inconsequential. Agree that the bubbly butt-length bleach blonde is a firecracker in the room with top notch oral skills. In the room she dropped to her knees and took a face fuck like a champ. Only downside is her body has quite a bit of baby damage from a vaginal birth, but otherwise a proactive provider. I ended up unloading in her mouth and she gulped down every last drop of the nut. Nice.

The friends are nice too, especially the (not natural) redhead. Enjoy BKK, AR.

Hello, how do you use pep for a month trip when you are planning to do raw a few girls a day? I kept reading about the doxy pep but I just used it as treatment once I got the gono a couple of times while I was on mongering trips.

I use to do raw some of the girls. I do fuck everyday at least 2 or 3 and sometimes one a day is bareback if I'm lucky 2. In a 6 weeks trip I got it twice. I can notice by the next day because the tingle, then I go straight to doxy the problem is the first 2 days you can't fuck realy because is kinda painful. After that with condom for the rest of the 7 days then back to business.

So now I'm willing to try pep, anyone here have some advise in how to use it regularly to prevent std's? 200 a day I've read online but how long? I guess some days you have to take a break of doxy (then condom) Thanks!

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3021730]As I know the current lot is all from Uzbekistan, although the distinction is pretty much inconsequential. Agree that the bubbly butt-length bleach blonde is a firecracker in the room with top notch oral skills. In the room she dropped to her knees and took a face fuck like a champ. Only downside is her body has quite a bit of baby damage from a vaginal birth, but otherwise a proactive provider. I ended up unloading in her mouth and she gulped down every last drop of the nut. Nice.

The friends are nice too, especially the (not natural) redhead. Enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]What are you guys paying the ladies from the Stans?

I planned to get a thai massage, hopefully with an upgrade to BJ, but decided to stop by Duangaporn Haven first (same soi as Wonder massage,
near Asoke BTS), as it was just around the corner from where I happened to be. Would save me the time of walking through several massage shops looking for someone I thought attractive enough for a BJ later too.

Went inside and thought I'd get a lineup, but was instead assigned whoever was next in queue I guess. I stepped back out to have a look at the women sitting outside, and choose the one I thought most attractive. Kitty, a women around 35 I guess.

Was informed prices were 800 for BJ, and I think 1200 for FS. 30 minutes.

Up to the room where she washed my dick in the sink, then I sat down on the two-seater bench, with a towel to protect my pristine ass.

Kitty then proceeded to take of her top, which I thought was a nice touch, and then she proceeded to take of the rest of her clothes.

All in all, I'd say she looked quite decent naked. Certainly there are plenty of women working in e.g. the "nuru" places on Soi 33 who look worse.


With me looking like a GQ model (or alternatively, an ISG brother), I was obviously making her horny, so she rubbed my dick against her pussy and told me how wonderful it would be if I made love to her there and then. She had mentioned that once or twice before also, before we had reached this point of nakedness.

I told her never mind, and she pulled forth a pillow-thing for her knees, lubed up johnny with some type of edible oil I guess, and got to work.

Shortly thereafter I could hear some other farang enter the cubicle next door. He was somewhat vocal and I found it slightly amusing to occasionally pay attention to the sounds from the cubicle on the other side of the flimsy wall.

Kitty was in the meantime hard at work, and had entered a kind of half push-ups position (push-ups on her knees, as some weak girls like to do), putting her hands on my sides, and gobbing up and down with her mouth only. She was doing a rather good job, and I'd rate the BJ as 7/10, and add some plusses for stamina and not using her hands much.

After some time, the farang next door finished and exited, but poor Kitty was still working hard. Going up and down in a rhythmic motion.

At this point I thought I'd help her a bit, so pulled her up so she could straddle me, thinking I'd bang her for at least a while so she could relax her jaw. Unfortunately she brought forward a raincoat for little Johnny, so I mai pen rai-ed, and asked her to continue with the BJ.

After some 10-15 minutes more, the job was done, and she walked over to the sink to discard the produce of her labors.

Rating:
Name: Kitty
Body: 6/10
Face: 6/10
Service: 7/10


After that I got up, got a wash in the sink, and heard her 30 minute timer going off as I was peeing in the toilet shortly afterwwards. According to that old wife's tale, wash and pee after sex is a good idea, paid downstairs, and continued on my way back to my airbnb, stopping for an "amazing burger" on the way.

I still planned to have a thai massage though. I first stopped at the shop where the unfortunate girl from a previous story worked, the one who had a mouth full of cum, but no tissue to spit it out in.

Unfortunately she is still back in her home province apparently, and this time they seemed a bit more unsure about when she was coming back. I backtracked slightly and entered one of the other massage shops I had just passed. I didn't bother choosing anyone, but just asked for 90 minute thai massage (asking if that was still possible, as it was so late), and was assigned the next woman in line.

Next woman in line happened to be not wholly unattractive. If there was such a thing as a grandmother ILF, I guess she could be one.

Proceeded to have a decent thai massage, flipped over, and eventually little Johnny was starting to wake up a bit now and then also.

After some of this, she asked me if I wanted "special". I inquired as to what the specials of the day were? HJ/BJ/Everything.

I settled on a BJ and was asked how much I will pay. I offered my usual 1000. Some back and forth regarding whether I could pay more, but I'm a principled guy. She informed me that ok, but when finishing, I will shoot out on my stomach. I informed her I will finish in her mouth.
She said ok, but use condom then. I said I did not want condom, and continued enjoying the massage.

She said for 1500 I could have sex, but as there is no such thing as a GILF for me, I declined the offer. After a short while she excused herself to go get some tissue, came back, and gave me a decent enough BJ.

Paid her the agreed 1000 upstairs, before exiting the closing shop.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3021823]What are you guys paying the ladies from the Stans?[/QUOTE]Is this a new thing?

I normally walk aloong SOI 4 several times when I'm in town and see the normal selection of black girls, hijabi women and Asian girls. How do you identify somebody from the Stans. Do they look white, Asian, or something else?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3021878]Is this a new thing?

I normally walk aloong SOI 4 several times when I'm in town and see the normal selection of black girls, hijabi women and Asian girls. How do you identify somebody from the Stans. Do they look white, Asian, or something else?[/QUOTE]Last time I was down there in June there was a selection of non-asian looking girls. I've never seen that blonde Uzbek that they talk about although I see a blonde girl with a decent body but a face that looked like it had been worked over by the ugly stick. I'm heading down there next month just to check it out.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3021878]Is this a new thing? I normally walk aloong SOI 4 several times when I'm in town and see the normal selection of black girls, hijabi women and Asian girls. How do you identify somebody from the Stans. Do they look white, Asian, or something else?[/QUOTE]Not new. The girls from the "Stans" have been there for over a year. First one I bagged was in May 2024.

The African girls stand around the tattoo shop. The hijab ladies move around. The Stan girls tend to stand in front of the Mani restaurant in the middle of the row of Viet girls. I think they do this to mix in, but also to give them a running chance when LE comes. Lately there have been a lot of snares by police targeting the foreign providers, so sometimes there are no girls at all or the Stan girls will sit on the steps in front of the pharmacy across the street until they feel safe enough to cross the street to the standing area. How to spot them? They are Eurasian, so they have a mix of Asian (originally dark hair, but most of them have colored it) and Caucasian (lighter skin, pink nipples and pink pussies) features. To my eye, they are just like Turkish girls, which stood out enough to me that I propositioned the first girl in May 2024. After my first experience ticked a few positive boxes, I have made it a point to be on the lookout for fresh arrivals. Prices are pretty much the same as the Viet girls (YMMV). Enjoy BKK, AR.

Thinking of staying around soi 22 for a change to my usual Nana sois. Will there be a fair number of SWs to choose from on and around soi 22?

I found her after 8 PM in front of hotel Maison #15 Soi 4. She asked for 2,000 Bahts.

An older Thai woman hangs around that area, seems to mind those girls and do interpretation. Ask her for more info.

I found her in Feb 2025, light skin, blond hair, pink everything. She was very nice and sweet on the street. We walked hand in hand like lovers down Soi 4 to my room at Boos Suites. In bed we got very physical and basically assaulted each other. She was one of the horniest and most vocal girls ever, gasp, moan, scream. Her hair was messed up at the end.

Another girl, with straight blond hair down her waist, walked up and down that sidewalk in front of hotel Maison.

An older Thai woman hang around in that area, interpreted for me with Kazakh girl who spoke 25% English. Looked like the old woman watched over those girls.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3021894]Thinking of staying around soi 22 for a change to my usual Nana sois. Will there be a fair number of SWs to choose from on and around soi 22?[/QUOTE]No. Down the strret past Terminal 21.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3021901]I found her in Feb 2025, light skin, blond hair, pink everything. She was very nice and sweet on the street. We walked hand in hand like lovers down Soi 4 to my room at Boos Suites. In bed we got very physical and basically assaulted each other. She was one of the horniest and most vocal girls ever, gasp, moan, scream. Her hair was messed up at the end.

Another girl, with straight blond hair down her waist, walked up and down that sidewalk in front of hotel Maison.

An older Thai woman hang around in that area, interpreted for me with Kazakh girl who spoke 25% English. Looked like the old woman watched over those girls.[/QUOTE]Nice score.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3021894]Thinking of staying around soi 22 for a change to my usual Nana sois. Will there be a fair number of SWs to choose from on and around soi 22?[/QUOTE]Been awhile since I've been down that Soi, but my recollection is that there are quite a number of massage joints and small bars with potential service providers on the sub-sois.

Sam.

Soi 22 has dozens massages with women sitting out on the sidewalk, not very attractive, mostly older chunky women.

I took a massage woman on Soi 22 for FS up a cricketty ladder to a bare room cluttered with junk. She was a chunky farm woman with dark, leathery skin. I regretted even letting her touch me.

There were no street girls on Soi 22. Massage women would kill them for competing.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3021894]Thinking of staying around soi 22 for a change to my usual Nana sois. Will there be a fair number of SWs to choose from on and around soi 22?[/QUOTE]

I had a free night without my girlfriend who was busy with a school project and my preferred couple of repeats who were both out of town. So I decided to give the highly-touted "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach a spin at Thermae tonight.

I arrived at about 10 pm. Honestly, I got smiles and even a few reach outs from several of the better looking young ladies as I cruised around the bar.

One lady caught my eye because her smile at me lingered and seemed more genuine and relaxed and promising than the others. I didn't choose her right away. I found a spot to land and for the next few minutes scanned the room for a likely prospect.

But she kept looking at me with that fetching smile from the other side of the bar. So after about 20 minutes if googoo eyes back and forth, I made my way all the way around again to where she stood.

I had decided this "go with the flow" approach was going to involve just 1 question; is her vagina shaved or the hair trimmed very short to make it nice for me to kiss and lick her there?

Yanni or Janni, not sure which now, was probably a solid 8 five years ago. Now I would give her a solid 7. 5 if I saw her in Terminal 21 Mall. Tall, slim, all natural, nice fit butt, medium sized breasts. Attractive, even facial features, nothing objectionable there. Light skin. English fluent.

There was very brief small talk inside Thermae. We were both "fine". She whispered "I am sorry, I can only do Short Time". I hadn't asked about LT. "3,000 for one hour Short Time"?

I waited a few seconds but she did not come down on her quote. So I "went with the flow" and just nodded ok. I then started to ask my only upfront question but she stopped me and said, "ask me outside. And I like to drink. Will you buy me a beer outside too"?

Sure, why not?

Outside I asked my only non "go with the flow" upfront question that for me is such a deal killer for anything that might follow if the answer is No I could not take this any further; is her vagina shaved or the hair trimmed short to make it nice for me to kiss and lick her there? She said Yes, with a chuckle and another big smile.

She chose a LEO at the 7-11 near my apartment and up we went.

After we sat a few minutes and intensified our budding chemistry with more small talk as she drank her beer, we both took a short, uneventful shower. But she did seem more comfortable and relaxed after the beer.

Naked and on the bed, my "go with the flow" approach hopes came to a crashing halt when the "flow" took me to her world where there would be zero kissing on the lips, absolutely no way and no how would there be fucking without a condom for any amount of money and take any thoughts about getting a CIM finish to a BJ right out of my mind.

I did. In fact, thoughts of having any sexual finish for me at all with her went right out of my mind and never returned.

But I did like the look of her shaved pussy. So at least one of us got damn good sexual pleasure during this 3,000 baht Short Time because I gave her one of my championship award-winning DATY sessions.

Which she loved. Or at least it sounded and tasted like she loved it.

Still, at no time during or after the DATY did she change her mind about any of the, yep here it is, no Real Sex and no Real Blowjob "flow" my "going" had taken me to with this young lady.

Of course, I kept my word according to the rules of the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" game by handing her the 3,000 baht I had agreed to pay her for the hour, she gave me a cordial hug and off she dashed to meet the Grab taxi that will take her to some club on Soi 11 to meet her friends for more drinking.

Before she dashed off I was curious and asked her why she zeroed in on me so much on a night when plenty of potential customers were in the bar. She said it was because she likes "European" men, not Asian men. I asked why she didn't like Asian men since they are the vast majority of customers at Thermae. She said it was because Asian men don't show respect for women.

Ok. Whatever.

Neither of us asked for the other's Line contact info.

End of my "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" at Thermae Field Report.

After she left I saw I had several Line and WhatsApp messages from my girlfriend and one of my regular repeats telling me how much they love and miss me and do I love and miss them too.

Sure, why not?

(I posted this TR in the wrong thread; oops.)

Welcome to Bangkok, the capital of Thailand!

This trip report will cover transportation, hotel, restaurants, and clubs / bars in Bangkok. For logistics and other notes, please refer to my trip report in this thread.

Transportation:

While in Bangkok, everywhere I went was within walking distance.

Hotel:

I stayed at the Nana Hotel. Every time I stayed there in the past, I always hoped the hotel would do some sort of remodeling. But nooooo, it was still a crappy rundown place. The best part about the hotel was the location, location, and location. Was it lady friendly: YES. I think it was even goat friendly! There were no joiner fees.

Restaurants:

I was there for only two nights, so I only went to a couple:

8855 good (right across from Lolitas).

Monsoon very good.

Clubs / Bars:

In each club / bar, I asked several questions and did my best to write the answers on my trusty note pad. Thus, if I am wrong with any of my notes, feel free to chime in with the correct information.

Place: Candy.

Lady drink: 220.

Bar fine: 800.

Sex: The two ladies I talked to wanted 2000.

Number and quality: 12/ OK to good.

Day / time: Thursday /2.

Comments: This bar was right across from Nana Hotel. The majority of the ladies were older and really friendly. The ladies were asking from 1000 to 2000. After flying all night, it was a good place to relax.

Place: Wood Bar / Annie's.

Lady drink: 250.

Bar fine: Never asked.

Sex: 2000 for small room, 2500 for large room. BJ 800 (I think.).

Number and quality: 15/ OK to very good.

Day / time: Thursday /4.

Comments: Annie's was in one building and The Wood Bar was across the street. The ladies were presented in the Wood Bar. After I chose one, we went across the street and the rooms were in Annie's. I am not sure if rooms were available in the Wood Bar.

I had a great time there and I got an unexpected bonus. After I showed the picture of me in the fishbowl, they brought out Aey. When she saw and recognized me, she had a big smile on her face. We chatted about the past and how her daughter ran the place for several years. It was a nice moment I will never forget.

Place: Kasalong.

Lady drink: Never asked.

Bar fine: Never asked.

Sex: 800 BJ, 1 hour in the room 1700.

Number and quality: 6, OK to good.

Day / time: Thursday /7:30.

Comments: This place was pretty dated. It was clean, but a crappy looking place and the seating was not very comfortable. However, I did get a great BJ.

Place: Lolitas.

Lady drink: Never asked.

Bar fine: Never asked.

Sex: 800 BJ, 1 hour in the room 1700.

Number and quality: 5, OK to good.

Day / time: Thursday /8:30.

Comments: This place was very close to Kasolong. The place was modern looking and nice. And the atmosphere was a lot better. I liked that place.

Place: Spanky's Club.

Lady drink: 220.

Bar fine: 1000.

Sex: Never asked.

Number and quality: 30+, good to freakin hot.

Day / time: Thursday /10.

Comments: This was a smaller club and the place was packed; just finding a seat was a task. But still, I loved the place.

Place: Magic Table.

Lady drink: 220.

Bar fine: 1000.

Sex: BJ 800,1 hour in the room 2000.

Number and quality: 5/ OK.

Day / time: Friday /8.

Comments: I found this place while doing a Google search. It was very close to Wood Bar. This place was nothing special, maybe because it was early; doubt it.

Place: Lollypop Club.

Lady drink: 250.

Bar fine: 1000.

Sex: One lady I talked to wanted 4000. I am sure with proper negotiations the price would be lower.

Number and quality: 40+, good to hot.

Day / time: Friday /10.

Comments: This was a great club. One lady sat next to me, lay down, and was rubbing her ass on my leg; I fell in love! She gave me her number and said she would come to my hotel after work; it did not pan out.

Place: Butterflies Club.

Lady drink: 220.

Bar fine: 1000.

Sex: Depends on the lady.

Number and quality: 60+, good to drop-dead gorgeous.

Day / time: Friday /11.

Comments: Fuck me to tears! This was a huge club with two stages packed with ladies. There was a separate area for topless ladies. This club is a must-see!

Place: Angel Witch Club.

Lady drink: 220.

Bar fine: 1000.

Sex: I bar fined a beautiful lady and the cost was 2000.

Number and quality: 25+, good to hot.

Day / time: Friday / Midnight.

Comments: All the ladies were topless in this club. It was a smaller place and it had a lot of energy. They also had a couple of shows while I was there. I liked the club and recommend the place!

Overall thoughts on Bangkok:

I have always thought Bangkok was one of the wildest cities in the world. The city is huge and full of energy every-damn-day / night. It was a great 2-night romp! Having said that, I have no plans to return to Thailand; at least for now.

Como siempre, Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3021965]I had a free night without my girlfriend who was busy with a school project and my preferred couple of repeats who were both out of town. So I decided to give the highly-touted "go with the flow and see what happens in the room"
…

Neither of us asked for the other's Line contact info.

End of my "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" at Thermae Field Report.

[/QUOTE]Just reading your report I can feel your disappointment. Thanks for posting.

My first ever "failure to finish with condom" happened with a Thermae girl in February 2020. I had just arrived in town after 24 hours travel and was exhausted, but I was in Bangkok and had to get laid. It was just before Thermae closing (1:45 AM?) and options were few, but one lady was clearly better than the others. Took her to my hotel for normal activities, but I couldn't finish the deed in the condom. That time I was fortunate that she agreed to BBFSCIP, which was the only way I could finish that night. Perhaps she was worried I wouldn't have paid if I didn't finish, she knew it was too late to get another customer at Thermae.

Since that time I've asked a number of Thermae ladies about no condom and nearly all of them refuse. Now I'm feeling even older and I never trust myself with GWTF, I pre-negotiate the services that I need.

I wish I knew a magic formula to success with a condom, but I'm probably past the standard tricks such as lube inside a properly sized thin condom.

[QUOTE=Rocketeer666;3021781]Hello, how do you use pep for a month trip when you are planning to do raw a few girls a day? I kept reading about the doxy pep but I just used it as treatment once I got the gono a couple of times while I was on mongering trips.

I use to do raw some of the girls. I do fuck everyday at least 2 or 3 and sometimes one a day is bareback if I'm lucky 2. In a 6 weeks trip I got it twice. I can notice by the next day because the tingle, then I go straight to doxy the problem is the first 2 days you can't fuck realy because is kinda painful. After that with condom for the rest of the 7 days then back to business.

So now I'm willing to try pep, anyone here have some advise in how to use it regularly to prevent std's? 200 a day I've read online but how long? I guess some days you have to take a break of doxy (then condom) Thanks![/QUOTE]I don't know of an approved doxy PEP program, but here is a summary of what I've read over the last couple of years.

1. Step 1 is to get a vasectomy.

2. Rumors of doxy PEP is 200 MG as soon as possible after exposure. Single dose.

3. Years ago, some USA police departments had "rape kits", which included a single 250 MG dose of azithromycin. Single dose.

4. There is an ongoing study with gay men who don't use condoms, which involves 100 MG daily of doxy for PREP.

This is all from my memory of past readings from seemingly reliable publications. Of course, doxy is only intended for bacterial infections; it is useless for fighting viruses it parasites.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3021980]I had a great time there and I got an unexpected bonus. After I showed the picture of me in the fishbowl, they brought out Aey. When she saw and recognized me, she had a big smile on her face. We chatted about the past and how her daughter ran the place for several years. It was a nice moment I will never forget.![/QUOTE]Wait a minute. You mean [B]THE[/B] Aey from the original Annies, she of the granny glasses before the lasik eye surgery. How long has the original Annies closed? Would have to be a decade plus since I'd seen Aey. If so, what a BLAST from the past. True class there. I am envious.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;3022088]Wait a minute. You mean [B]THE[/B] Aey from the original Annies, she of the granny glasses before the lasik eye surgery. How long has the original Annies closed? Would have to be a decade plus since I'd seen Aey. If so, what a BLAST from the past. True class there. I am envious.[/QUOTE]I used to visit Annie's regularly in its hey-day which is 30+years ago now.
It was in its original building up the wooden stairs.

A mate and I would sit at the bar and chat with Aey who used to run the small bar at the top of the stairs and chat with the clients. She would often recommend which girl would suit us for the evening.

One evening I met the lovely Annie herself (Aey's mum) - a very pleasant old and refined lady, who had emerged from behind the office on her way home.

I am a bit confused by Tom Jackin's post. Aey was Annie's daughter. No way could the original Annie still be alive. If so, she would be over 100 years!

I am wondering if there is a typo here, and Tom Jackin is referring to the original Aey's daughter (assuming she had one?

Visited secret kiss. At the time, only two girls working, and who is perhaps the Chinese male owner (a young guy) was at the desk, while another customer was about to exit. Other customer was also Chinese it sounded like, so they were having a chat. Choose Idea on the tablet, and was shown her before paying.

Up the stairs we went. Unlike so many others on their first day / week / month, Idea had been working for 6 months. Got washed while sitting on the royal chair in the shower, and then laid down on the bed while she showered herself.

Told her she could skip the customary nipple licking (my own), and proceed to my dick. We joked a bit around, and she told me asians like #1 (nipple), #2 (stomach kissing? Not sure), and #3 dick. Told her I was only interested in #3, and she chuckled.

As all girls here I assume, she took of her top, but kept the rest of the clothes on. Actually, I was a bit tired, so I just lay on the bed with my eyes closed while she, I thought showered, but now I'm not sure if she showered or not. Did she really get naked, shower, and then put on her clothes again, except her top? Maybe not.

Anyway, she was as happy as I guess you can be in this job, sucking my dick. Having recently visited Duangporn near Asoke BTS, I could help comparing technique and stamina.

Depth was similar to the woman at Duangporn, technique good, but a notch below. Stamine: also decent, but also a notch below.

After I guess 15-20 minutes I released into her mouth, and as is the norm for this shop I believe, she did not attempt to pull away until I had finished releasing.

She had previously asked if I'd been here many times, and I tried to tell her truthfully in my terrible thai that it was my second time, but I said it wrong, so I think she understood it as I had been here twice before. She thus asked me how her BJ was compared to the other girl (s): giving it a thought, I said it was about the same. She then asked about depth: I said depth was also about the same, and gave her a free tip on how to practice to increase the depth.

I sat down for a bit in the reception area to wait for my grab motorbike, while another customer (a farang) entered. Now there were 4-5 girls available. He selected one, and she popped out to show her face. I tried to catch a glimpse, but my position was bad, so I saw only a fleeting glance. Those 25% of her face I did manage to say did however make me hope she would be available at least for a viewing next time. Name "Snow".

Summary:

Name: Idea.
Looks: 6-7.
Body: 6-7
Technique: 6.
Depth: 6.
Stamina: 6.
Recommended: Yes.
Repeat: possibly when I've run out of other girls to try in this shop.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3022136]
I am a bit confused by Tom Jackin's post. Aey was Annie's daughter. No way could the original Annie still be alive. If so, she would be over 100 years!

I am wondering if there is a typo here, and Tom Jackin is referring to the original Aey's daughter (assuming she had one?[/QUOTE]As soon as I left Bangkok, I kicked myself in the ass for not taking a picture with her. She was quite old and frail, but you seemed to be correct. I may have met Aey's daughter.

However, when we talked, she told me her daughter ran the place when she was no longer up for the task.

So, I guess I have no idea who in the fuck I talked to that afternoon.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3022136]I used to visit Annie's regularly in its hey-day which is 30+years ago now.
It was in its original building up the wooden stairs.

A mate and I would sit at the bar and chat with Aey who used to run the small bar at the top of the stairs and chat with the clients. She would often recommend which girl would suit us for the evening.

One evening I met the lovely Annie herself (Aey's mum) - a very pleasant old and refined lady, who had emerged from behind the office on her way home.

I am a bit confused by Tom Jackin's post. Aey was Annie's daughter. No way could the original Annie still be alive. If so, she would be over 100 years!

I am wondering if there is a typo here, and Tom Jackin is referring to the original Aey's daughter (assuming she had one?[/QUOTE][B]Tom Jackin[/B]'s and your posts brought back memories. Annie's was my first soapie, hell, my first MP. 30 years ago, first time in BKK, I still remember walking across the hotel (Raj?) parking lot, up these WIDE wooden stairs, making a U turn, and walking through Annie's doors. In front of me, a long bar stretching off to the right. At the end of the bar, across an aisle, the fishbowls. Behind the bar sat an underage girl in granny glasses (I thought hope her school mates didn't make too much fun of her). I'm thinking Thailand pretty permissive to let her into the place, but hopefully she can run off and find her mother, the mamasan. When she greeted me in great English, I realized my mistake (should have worn MY glasses). Over the ensuing years, I could ALWAYS recognize her in those glasses. Then, one year, no glasses. Asked her where they'd gone, assuming contacts; she smiled, said surgery.

Great person. Ran a great business, even a member here, monitoring the Annie's thread, addressing problems and complaints. The original (for me, in the Raj? Hotel off of soi 4) was a real institution. Those athlete sized tubs in the original (before expansion) were the best, room to stretch out and enjoy (though they did take some time to fill). Just another institution gone.

I've always avoided the reincarnated Annies, heard just not the same. But next visit, just might have to pay a visit and ask if Aey is around, just to pay my respects.

[B]Tom Jackin[/B]: Hadn't been to the Nana in decades (my first BKK hotel), but last year a convenient place to meet a buddy (everyone knows the location). With all due respect, all I could think of was "dinosaur boneyard" from the passing crowd as I waited in the lobby (OK, sure, no problem of me sitting there, I certainly blended in).

Gentlemen (and I use the term loosely), thanks for the memory stimulation.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;3022215][B]Tom Jackin[/B]'s and your posts brought back memories. Annie's was my first soapie, hell, my first MP. 30 years ago[/QUOTE]20+ years ago, my first soapy was Darlings (soi 12) used to go there after a meal at Cabbages and Condoms.

Later, there used to be a pool hall next to Annies so I went to Annies, never looked back. Great service.

Hey all, planning a trip to Bangkok in September and trying to get a feel for the scene. A few things I'm curious about:

What are the main options for meeting girls there?

I've seen Nana Plaza mentioned a lothow does it compare to other streets / areas?

Any tips on picking someone safely and avoiding scams?

How's law enforcement around these areasanything I should be careful about?

Would really appreciate any advice from people who've been there. Thanks!

Regards.

Joyckar.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3021466]Boss Suites Nana Hotel on Soi 4 is 4-star, only $28, large suites, nice, clean, quiet with nice, cool breeze from the big park. I think they still have free breakfast with eggs cooked to order. Woraburi is on the same alley, 3-star, only $20. Both are about the same with good Wi-Fi, pools and large lobbies open out to the alley, very relaxing. I stayed at various 4 and 5-star hotels on Soi 2, Soi 4 and others in this area, these 2 are nice, clean enough, quiet, not crowded, convenient, laid back and relaxing, staff is fun, friendly like family, very Thai.

Just walk out to soi 4 there are lots of girls day and night on the street and in Nana plaza bars, also lots of restaurants, bars, massages, street food stalls, 7-11 stores ect.

Dozens street girls hang out day and night along Soi 4 with a big crowd of all skin complexion in front of hotel Maison with those plumeria trees. I bagged a beautiful, nice, fun, light-skin, blond hair, horny Kazakh girl with one of the hottest session anywhere ever. Still thinking about going back for her and her friends.[/QUOTE]Hi, I checked out this 2 places online, and the prices were higher that $28 and $20. Could it be because I'm booking close to arrival, or prices are just higher online? What would be my alternative way of booking a stay with them? Thank you.

I'm a first timer and I'm looking to try most of the BJ experiences here and Pattaya. My question is does anyone have a reccomendation for places or girls that can take a face fucking. Preferably someone who is skilled enough to at least pretend to like it. Looks aren't a priority but hopefully not fat.

[QUOTE=Joyckar;3022264]Hey all, planning a trip to Bangkok in September and trying to get a feel for the scene. A few things I'm curious about:

What are the main options for meeting girls there?

I've seen Nana Plaza mentioned a lothow does it compare to other streets / areas?

Any tips on picking someone safely and avoiding scams?

How's law enforcement around these areasanything I should be careful about?

Would really appreciate any advice from people who've been there. Thanks!

Regards.

Joyckar.[/QUOTE]Please do go through the respective threads. You will find plenty of information shared by experienced hobbyists with names of establishments, hotel info, streets, ladies, baht range for ST, LT etc. Few of the seniors have even shared maps, so you can find such intel as well. Also use the 'search' capabilities in the forum as well as threads. You can explore excellent informative reports. Thanks.

Cheers.

Use [URL]TRIVAGO.COM[/URL] to compare prices.

Agoda com usually has the lowest prices in Asia.

When you arrive, check the rooms then bargain for better rooms, better deals ect.

[QUOTE=Joyckar;3022264]Hey all, planning a trip to Bangkok in September and trying to get a feel for the scene. A few things I'm curious about:

What are the main options for meeting girls there?

I've seen Nana Plaza mentioned a lothow does it compare to other streets / areas?

Any tips on picking someone safely and avoiding scams?

How's law enforcement around these areasanything I should be careful about?

Would really appreciate any advice from people who've been there. Thanks!

Regards.

Joyckar.[/QUOTE]Unlike the Indian threads, this is Thailand and the threads here are ram-jam full of [B]info[/B], plenty of FR's, from people who've been here many times. Yes, unlike taking 3 minutes to post questions, it DOES take time to read the FR's. Standard is that, for any thread you're interested in, read the most recent 20 PAGES (scanning allowed to find the pertinent parts), take notes, THEN ask a specific question or two. Takes time, but then there's gold in them thar hills, and, unfortunately, the paid staff are off on holidays.

But to help:

[I]What are the main options for meeting girls there?[/I]:
I'd say BOTG, face to face voice communication.

[I]I've seen Nana Plaza mentioned a lothow does it compare to other streets / areas?[/I]:
Nana has a roof.

[I]Any tips on picking someone safely and avoiding scams?[/I]
Use common sense.

[I]How's law enforcement around these areasanything I should be careful about?[/I]
Don't liter. Be respectful of the MIB (men in brown).

[I]Would really appreciate any advice from people who've been there. Thanks![/I]
You're welcome.

Oh, and in your reading, don't forget the ROD's (Reports of Distinction). There ARE reasons why they're there.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3022242]20+ years ago, my first soapy was Darlings (soi 12) used to go there after a meal at Cabbages and Condoms.

Later, there used to be a pool hall next to Annies so I went to Annies, never looked back. Great service.[/QUOTE]Ah, Cabbages and Condoms. Still have a couple of beer glasses (bought) from there.

[QUOTE=Joyckar;3022264]Hey all, planning a trip to Bangkok in September and trying to get a feel for the scene. A few things I'm curious about:

What are the main options for meeting girls there?

I've seen Nana Plaza mentioned a lothow does it compare to other streets / areas?

Any tips on picking someone safely and avoiding scams?

How's law enforcement around these areasanything I should be careful about?

Would really appreciate any advice from people who've been there. Thanks!

Regards.

Joyckar.[/QUOTE]The best places to get girls are in front of the 7-Eleven across from La Meson on soi Nana and in front of the thermae on Suk. In both of those places you'll find huge numbers of tall big boobed girls.

When you go to nana, check out the hotties at Wonderland.

Saw the sign and almost walked down the alley to check it out, but ended up content to take a pic of the sign on Sukhumvit and send it to friends as the world's dumbest name for a restaurant LOL. I would have loved the glasses, though.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;3022324]I'm a first timer and I'm looking to try most of the BJ experiences here and Pattaya. My question is does anyone have a reccomendation for places or girls that can take a face fucking. Preferably someone who is skilled enough to at least pretend to like it. Looks aren't a priority but hopefully not fat.[/QUOTE]IMO all three women I saw at Wood Bar could take a facefucking, but ask for #4 (that's what she told me). She was superb, as was "Barbie" at Secret Kiss, which is a bit out of the way depending on where you are staying. Don't be shy; when the mamasan talks to you tell her what you want. The girls in the BJ bars know why they are there and are generally willing to do what it takes to get the job done.

The women in Snow White have a rep as being down for anything, and the girl I saw could take whatever I could give her in all three holes. Having said that, if BJs are your thing and you're not overly concerned with looks or decor, Wood Bar may be just what you're looking for.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3022486]IMO all three women I saw at Wood Bar could take a facefucking, but ask for #4 (that's what she told me). She was superb, as was "Barbie" at Secret Kiss, which is a bit out of the way depending on where you are staying. Don't be shy; when the mamasan talks to you tell her what you want. The girls in the BJ bars know why they are there and are generally willing to do what it takes to get the job done.

The women in Snow White have a rep as being down for anything, and the girl I saw could take whatever I could give her in all three holes. Having said that, if BJs are your thing and you're not overly concerned with looks or decor, Wood Bar may be just what you're looking for.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I'll drop several post about this adventure. I will probably try all these recommendations. Starting tomorrow.

Bonus question: what's the maximum time limit per BJ at wood bar? Are the other BJ bars the same?

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;3022497]Thanks for the advice. I'll drop several post about this adventure. I will probably try all these recommendations. Starting tomorrow.

Bonus question: what's the maximum time limit per BJ at wood bar? Are the other BJ bars the same?[/QUOTE]I remember Seven Heaven is 40 minutes. But their girls are prettier and less skilled. If you make it more than 20 minutes at Wood Bar I salute you! They got skills! I would bet good money you will not hit any time limit at Wood Bar. Because you going to shoot one.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3022483]Saw the sign and almost walked down the alley to check it out, but ended up content to take a pic of the sign on Sukhumvit and send it to friends as the world's dumbest name for a restaurant LOL. I would have loved the glasses, though.[/QUOTE]That place has been there for 30 plus years, I ate their once, it was OK.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3022486]IMO all three women I saw at Wood Bar could take a facefucking, but ask for #4 (that's what she told me). She was superb, as was "Barbie" at Secret Kiss, which is a bit out of the way depending on where you are staying. Don't be shy; when the mamasan talks to you tell her what you want. The girls in the BJ bars know why they are there and are generally willing to do what it takes to get the job done.

The women in Snow White have a rep as being down for anything, and the girl I saw could take whatever I could give her in all three holes. Having said that, if BJs are your thing and you're not overly concerned with looks or decor, Wood Bar may be just what you're looking for.[/QUOTE]If "generally willing" means "most won't" then I would agree with you about the mamasan at Wood Bar responding well to telling her what you want and girls at BJ Bars willing to do what it takes, if that also means what the customer wants.

Not long ago a fellow punter and BJ aficionado and I were blocked by an older lady in front of Wood Bar along with one of the more aggressive or eager providers. A mamasan and one of her star providers.

She implored us to tell her what we were looking for. Both the mamasan and the aggressive, eager, star provider recoiled in horror and might have kept shaking their heads "NO" for an hour or two after we walked away because we simply asked if any of the girls Swallow the cum at the end of a BBBJCIM instead of spit it out. LOL.

That seems like a pretty common option and addition to a blowjob from our experience and observation over the decades. But the Wood Bar mamasan and that BJ Bar's presumably top provider representative standing next to her reacted as though we had slapped their mother and kicked their daddy in the groin.

No joke, the mamasan and that star provider made it crystal clear that none of the girls in that bar will do that or have ever done that.

I know, I know, everyone here will swear every girl at that BJ Bar and elsewhere always swallows every drop and never spits it out. For them.

I'm just saying what that mamasan and her assistant customer relations representative flat out said about it after imploring us to tell them what we were looking for.

That being said, I do sincerely encourage any BJ Bar customer who much prefers knowing the finish will be a swallow instead of a spit into a tissue or the sink to ask about it beforehand with the mamasans. Same as I would for anyone who much prefers BBFSCIP over Covered FS. And if you don't get the response you want, move on to another girl or venue until you do.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3022483]Saw the sign and almost walked down the alley to check it out, but ended up content to take a pic of the sign on Sukhumvit and send it to friends as the world's dumbest name for a restaurant LOL. I would have loved the glasses, though.[/QUOTE]There is a reason behind the name though. Apparently the original owner (maybe he still is, I don't know), chose it because he wanted to promote the use and availability of condoms as a form of birth control (make them as common as cabbage).

I also heard from some bargirls where I was living up north, a long, long, time ago, that it was the place to go to if you needed an abortion, at a time when this was not easily (is it even now?) available in Thailand. Something about him financially supporting some clinic(s), or assisting girls who did not have the money to pay the clinics, or helping them contact the clinics? Not sure, but I got the impression the owner is firmly in the "good guy" category.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3022563]There is a reason behind the name though. Apparently the original owner (maybe he still is, I don't know), chose it because he wanted to promote the use and availability of condoms as a form of birth control (make them as common as cabbage).[/QUOTE]That's very true, owner was a politician and activist known as Mr. Condom for his family planning activities. Instead of a bowl full of mints next to the cash register, the bowl was filled with condoms, and, like mints, you were welcome to help yourself as you paid. At one time, if not still, it was a non-profit, the money going to support his organization's projects.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3022514]That place has been there for 30 plus years, I ate their once, it was OK.[/QUOTE]As unlikely as it may be, HERE, [B]Nyezhov[/B] and I agree. The food was OK though I haven't been back for a long time.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3022483]and send it to friends as the world's dumbest name for a restaurant [/QUOTE]Review the history of the restaurant, you might learn something.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3022483]Saw the sign and almost walked down the alley to check it out, but ended up content to take a pic of the sign on Sukhumvit and send it to friends as the world's dumbest name for a restaurant LOL. I would have loved the glasses, though.[/QUOTE]You could have done some minor research to understand the reason for the name.

The founder (Dr Meechai) was the lone voice way back in the 80's trying to establish condoms as a barrier against the "new" HIV strain that was scaring everybody.

C & C was an extremely popular restaurant 30+ years ago when it was relatively new. Waiting times to get a table, and very good Thai food too. I haven't been there for 20 years now but I am glad it's still open. I might indulge in some nostalgia next time I'm in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3022592]Review the history of the restaurant, you might learn something.[/QUOTE]Sorry Tom. I posted a similar line to you. Great minds. And all that.
Same with 11Bravo.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3022563]There is a reason behind the name though. Apparently the original owner (maybe he still is, I don't know), chose it because he wanted to promote the use and availability of condoms as a form of birth control (make them as common as cabbage).
[/QUOTE]Dr Mechai Viravaidya, aka "Mr. Condom," is still alive and continues to be very active in community development and public health initiatives.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3022592]Review the history of the restaurant, you might learn something.[/QUOTE]Or I can just read the responses LOL.

Interesting story. Doesn't make the restaurant sound any more appetizing, but I might have tried it if I knew the background. Oh well. Next visit.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3022616]Dr Mechai Viravaidya, aka "Mr. Condom," is still alive and continues to be very active in community development and public health initiatives.[/QUOTE]I remember "back in the day" when Soi Cowboy still had food carts parked along the sides of the soi; motorcycles and even an occasional car would travel down the lane; on a few occasions, one might see an elephant steered down the soi by a mahout. Often Mr. Condom would visit the soi with his volunteers who passed out condoms to the girls and mongers.

One night the group took over 1/2 of soi cowboy with game booths and tables packed information about hiv / aids. Later, I was siting inside the Darling Bar (later Rawhide) when Dr. Condon a couple of his assistants, and a TV news crew came through the door. OMG. The girls on stage couldn't evacuate fast enough. It was as though Atilla and his merry makers had just busted through the entrance. The girls sitting with customers were apparently afraid to move, satisfied in just turning their faces away from the camera.

After handing out condoms, the good doctor and his crew departed. It seemed that the message had fallen on a deaf ears. Most of the girls unpacked the devices, blew air into them so as to replicate balloons and then knocked them about the bar with jovial celebrations. I believe he probably did save a life or two that night.

Sam.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3022518]If "generally willing" means "most won't" then I would agree with you about the mamasan at Wood Bar responding well to telling her what you want and girls at BJ Bars willing to do what it takes, if that also means what the customer wants.[/QUOTE]I was referring to diligence, BJ a skills, and stamina; not specific services. All three girls I saw at Wood Bar and the one at Secret Kiss worked hard, kept going for as long as it took, took a facefucking well, and caught every drop. They may have spit, but for me I don't really care what they do with it once they get it. I have to say I wasn't really paying attention after and it's possible "#4" at Wood Bar swallowed because I felt like I shot it right down her throat. None of them pulled off until I signaled that I was done. The third girl at Wood Bar had exceptional skills, but I was struggling to nut and pointed at her pussy. Fucked her in a couple of positions and finally nutted doggie. Never asked for anything extra but she got a very good tip.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3022504]I remember Seven Heaven is 40 minutes. But their girls are prettier and less skilled. If you make it more than 20 minutes at Wood Bar I salute you! They got skills! I would bet good money you will not hit any time limit at Wood Bar. Because you going to shoot one.[/QUOTE]Prettier? Yes, definitely. Less skilled? No, not necessarily. In my experience the girls at Wood Bar do it in a more kinky and sloppy way than the girls at Seven Heaven. Although as always YMMV, of course.
I prefer Seven Heaven, because I like the more 'normal' blow jobs there over the sloppy ones at Wood Bar. I hate it when they use a lot of spit. I think it's gross.

The time limit at Seven Heaven is indeed 40 minutes. And one shot.
[URL]https://www.7-heavenbkk.com/menu[/URL]

The site of Wood Bar does not mention a time limit.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3022612]You could have done some minor research to understand the reason for the name.

I might indulge in some nostalgia next time I'm in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]The one in Pattaya is in it's own resort and sits on the beach. Every table is ocean view, sounds of waves, etc. Loved the place for years!

[URL]https://www.cabbagesandcondoms.com/[/URL]

If you really want to impress your puta, go there.

Personally, I could care less about impressing any damn body, but I love the food!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3022518]I know, I know, everyone here will swear every girl at that BJ Bar and elsewhere always swallows every drop and never spits it out. For them.[/QUOTE]I've had a few shots in these shops (Kasalon and Lo. Litas pre-covid, and Wood bar post covid) and never had any girl swallow it.

I didn't ask for that to happen, but I would think some of the girls would do it privately with some customers if asked in the cubicle (probably in exchange of a tip).

I wouldn't go as far as saying all of them would happily do it though, my guess is few of them would accept (unless they are given a very high tip).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3022632]The site of Wood Bar does not mention a time limit.[/QUOTE]Normally it's 30 minutes at Wood bar but it might be a bit more depending on the girl and whether the place is very busy or not at that time.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3022518]If "generally willing" means "most won't" then I would agree with you about the mamasan at Wood Bar responding well to telling her what you want and girls at BJ Bars willing to do what it takes, if that also means what the customer wants.

Not long ago a fellow punter and BJ aficionado and I were blocked by an older lady in front of Wood Bar along with one of the more aggressive or eager providers. A mamasan and one of her star providers.

She implored us to tell her what we were looking for. Both the mamasan and the aggressive, eager, star provider recoiled in horror and might have kept shaking their heads "NO" for an hour or two after we walked away because we simply asked if any of the girls Swallow the cum at the end of a BBBJCIM instead of spit it out. LOL.

That seems like a pretty common option and addition to a blowjob from our experience and observation over the decades. But the Wood Bar mamasan and that BJ Bar's presumably top provider representative standing next to her reacted as though we had slapped their mother and kicked their daddy in the groin.

No joke, the mamasan and that star provider made it crystal clear that none of the girls in that bar will do that or have ever done that.

I know, I know, everyone here will swear every girl at that BJ Bar and elsewhere always swallows every drop and never spits it out. For them.

I'm just saying what that mamasan and her assistant customer relations representative flat out said about it after imploring us to tell them what we were looking for.

That being said, I do sincerely encourage any BJ Bar customer who much prefers knowing the finish will be a swallow instead of a spit into a tissue or the sink to ask about it beforehand with the mamasans. Same as I would for anyone who much prefers BBFSCIP over Covered FS. And if you don't get the response you want, move on to another girl or venue until you do.[/QUOTE]We would have read your post with out the click bait-ish title. You acted like you disagreed with him but really just went off on an related but irrelevant topic. I agree with the other guy. Swallowing isn't something I expect or even ask for in. Once I nut I don't care how they dispose of it. I will however concede this. Nutting down a girl throat while your fully inserted is it's own pleasure. But I would expect to need to pay additional to a provider for that specific thing. Outside of any extra fee for face fucking.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3022664]Normally it's 30 minutes at Wood bar but it might be a bit more depending on the girl and whether the place is very busy or not at that time.[/QUOTE]I remember this time limit discussion a while ago when Wood bar was DJ BJ and it was 30 to 40 minutes. 7th Heaven is 40 minutes if anyone needs that much time.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3022612]You could have done some minor research to understand the reason for the name.

The founder (Dr Meechai) was the lone voice way back in the 80's trying to establish condoms as a barrier against the "new" HIV strain that was scaring everybody.

C & C was an extremely popular restaurant 30+ years ago when it was relatively new. Waiting times to get a table, and very good Thai food too. I haven't been there for 20 years now but I am glad it's still open. I might indulge in some nostalgia next time I'm in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Back then long time meant you could take your date out to dinner, cabbages and condoms was a place to impress her.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;3022673]We would have read your post with out the click bait-ish title. You acted like you disagreed with him but really just went off on an related but irrelevant topic. I agree with the other guy. Swallowing isn't something I expect or even ask for in. Once I nut I don't care how they dispose of it. I will however concede this. Nutting down a girl throat while your fully inserted is it's own pleasure. But I would expect to need to pay additional to a provider for that specific thing. Outside of any extra fee for face fucking.[/QUOTE]The original question was where to find girls willing to accept a Face-Fucking. The response was to point him to a certain BJ Bar where that particular service might be arranged.

It seemed fairly obvious to me that the questioner, the original responder and possibly everyone else reading the exchange except perhaps you understood that performing a Face-Fucking is not exactly the same as merely getting a blowjob. But it would also be pretty obvious that it is at least an added attraction one might get from ladies working in a BJ Bar. Wouldn't you agree?

Elaborating on the response, the he then suggested that if you ask the mamasan at that particular BJ Bar about that added attraction or about anything else related to their line of business, oral sex, she will most likely be happy to do whatever she can to accommodate the customer wanting such an added attraction. Or at least take the question well.

And the girls mightl try to accommodate such an added attraction too. Also take the question well. The same with another Happy Ending Shop not necessarily considered a BJ Bar. As suggested by the original responder.

However, my experience with the mamasan and at least one BJ provider at the BJ Bar mentioned regarding another oral sex-related added attraction that I would say is every bit as relevant to a BJ as Face-Fucking was wildly different than what was suggested by the responder.

Which is why the subject line for my response and contribution to the exchange was simply [B]Or maybe not.[/B].

You saw that as click bait-ish? Ok.

I suppose it remains to be experienced and reported on whether the mamasan at that BJ Bar recoils in horror in response to a customer's question about which of her girls is up for a Face-Fucking as she did about 2 customers' question about which of her girls would be up for swallowing instead of spitting.

My post was simply meant to caution anyone marching over there to ask the mamasan which girls are up for a Face-Fucking might want to gird their loins for what could possibly be a less than pleasant and accommodating response to that Face-Fucking question, that's all.

I hope you approve of whatever the result is of that mission, how the subject title and the Field Report for it are composed, if there ever is one.

I for one would appreciate whoever does go over there to ask the mamasan that question and submits a Field Report about how it all turned out does come up with an effective click bait-ish subject line for it. I wouldn't want to miss it.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;3022612]You could have done some minor research to understand the reason for the name.[/QUOTE]I'll readily admit I used a quick Google search to CONFIRM my [I]on-board[/I] memories. Just easier to use Google than pull the well-worn, elements damaged ("I don't need no stinkin' umbrella") Lonely Planets SE Asia Guide I used when traveling the area back in prehistory (before Google). Just might have to pay a return visit.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3022633]The one in Pattaya is in it's own resort and sits on the beach. Every table is ocean view, sounds of waves, etc. Loved the place for years![/QUOTE]Will definitely keep that in mind, thanks.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;3022673]We would have read your post with out the click bait-ish title. You acted like you disagreed with him but really just went off on an related but irrelevant topic. I agree with the other guy. Swallowing isn't something I expect or even ask for in. Once I nut I don't care how they dispose of it. I will however concede this. Nutting down a girl throat while your fully inserted is it's own pleasure. But I would expect to need to pay additional to a provider for that specific thing. Outside of any extra fee for face fucking.[/QUOTE]Personally, I prefer a nice Japanese style drool into (I'm easygoing) a tissue held in hand, just below the rack.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3022518] shaking their heads "NO" for an hour or two after we walked away because we simply asked if any of the girls Swallow the cum at the end of a BBBJCIM ... reacted as though we had slapped their mother and kicked their daddy in the groin. [/QUOTE]I got a similar response regarding a blow job without condom somewhere on Soi 22. "NO ONE gives blowjob without condom!" Of course I just walked.

Now looking back, and hearing your experience, I assume this is just a well rehearsed piece of acting. Because they don't offer it, they want you to believe it is unthinkable.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3022518] And if you don't get the response you want, move on to another girl or venue until you do.[/QUOTE]Agreed. It's just psychological warfare. They know it's a buyers market and we can easily move on and find what we want. They are just spreading disinformation in the hopes that you will be fooled. And many uninformed tourists WILL be fooled! Fortunately, we have ISG and excellent field reporting.

Fargler.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3022718]Back then long time meant you could take your date out to dinner, cabbages and condoms was a place to impress her.[/QUOTE]My objection to taking a date to Cabbages and Condoms restaurant was about the big poster of somebody's list of Sexual Dos and Don'ts that is or at least was prominently placed at the entrance of the place and pops up here a there around the premises.

Among other horrors, there are 4 Don'ts directly related to a recent topic of discussion here; Don't Swallow.

I have no idea what the powers that be there are using for medical research but they have decided that in the name of Safety First nobody of either gender should be Swallowing anything during the course of a Blowjob OR DATY.

At the very least the last thing I would want my date to perceive is that if I start licking her pussy later that evening I will be inclined to have a spittoon nearby or a box of tissues to spit her natural vaginal lube into every few licks.

In fact, if a Thai lady customer at that restaurant isn't fairly fluent in reading English beyond the word "Don't" and just goes by the stick figure illustrations she might very well conclude some team of Safety First health professionals have decided nobody should engage in Blowjobs or DATY at all!

No way am I taking a date to that place as long as that giant poster is still visible and repeated elsewhere around the restaurant. I swear I think back then it was also on the place mats on the tables!

[QUOTE=Fargler;3022792]I got a similar response regarding a blow job without condom somewhere on Soi 22. "NO ONE gives blowjob without condom!" Of course I just walked.
Now looking back, and hearing your experience, I assume this is just a well rehearsed piece of acting. Because they don't offer it, they want you to believe it is unthinkable.
[/QUOTE]Or they make you believe it first. Once you believe them, they will whisper "Special for you, can do, but you cannot tell. And only 500 extra".

As for CIM + Swallow. I never understood this. You get a good CIM, why would you care what she does with your cream? What difference does it make once you have nutted?

Visited previously a couple of the other BJ bars in the area so Saturday evening not being in mood for anything else after my second Tanzanian hottie at lunch time, I thought I'd give Wood Bar a shot.

Not bothered chatting outside just walked in and the ladies followed. I sat on left to view the ladies lined up opposite. About a dozen total. It wasn't great aesthetically tbh. In hind sight I could / should have walked. The boss sat next to me and asked my prefs. Told him CIM and he translated for the girls and only three raised their hands. I chose second far left (of l). Into booth 4, wash up etc. She had nice puppies but she wasn't so attractive and her mechanical power driving wasn't the best style. I asked her to go deep but she said couldn't. Anyway, I blew and she swallowed. Cost 1 kB. Plus small tip.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3022819]Visited previously a couple of the other BJ bars in the area so Saturday evening not being in mood for anything else after my second Tanzanian hottie at lunch time, I thought I'd give Wood Bar a shot.

Not bothered chatting outside just walked in and the ladies followed. I sat on left to view the ladies lined up opposite. About a dozen total. It wasn't great aesthetically tbh. In hind sight I could / should have walked. The boss sat next to me and asked my prefs. Told him CIM and he translated for the girls and only three raised their hands. I chose second far left (of l). Into booth 4, wash up etc. She had nice puppies but she wasn't so attractive and her mechanical power driving wasn't the best style. I asked her to go deep but she said couldn't. Anyway, I blew and she swallowed. Cost 1 kB. Plus small tip.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it makes any sense to request or ask about CIM at a BJ-place, as that's what is is by default. Especially not at a pro place like Wood's. That she afterwards swallowed, which is not the default, makes me think your CIM request confused them enough to think you were asking who will swallow.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3022838]I don't think it makes any sense to request or ask about CIM at a BJ-place, as that's what is is by default. Especially not at a pro place like Wood's. That she afterwards swallowed, which is not the default, makes me think your CIM request confused them enough to think you were asking who will swallow.[/QUOTE]As I have reported previously, I ALWAYS ask for a condom in a BJ bar... ... ... ... ... for my beer. Thank you and good night.

Let me tell you about my latest disappointment. Jungle Jim's, which sadly doesn't live up to its adventurous name in any positive sense. From the moment I walked into that cramped little "shotgun bar" (where you can literally see from the entrance straight through to the back wall), I should've known better.

The place has this seedy, half-hearted setup. A narrow strip of a room with a few worn-out bar stools lining one side, and opposite them, a pathetic excuse for a "stage" barely big enough for one person to awkwardly shuffle on. And the talent? Mostly tired-looking women in their 40's and 50's who seemed about as enthusiastic as I was once the prices came up.

Here's the kicker though. I'm a careful guy, always ask for pricing upfront to avoid surprises. But these hustlers still found some creative accounting to hit me with an inflated bill after a thoroughly mediocre experience. Classic bait-and-switch in a place barely nicer than a back alley stall. Save your baht, folks. This jungle's only got snakes.

The service was an absolute joke, the kind of slapdash effort that makes you question why you even bothered walking through the door. Despite the bar being nearly empty the staff still rushed through everything with all the enthusiasm of factory workers punching the clock. What I got was literally the most perfunctory, mechanical BJ imaginable, crammed into a dim back corner that smelled vaguely of stale beer and cheap disinfectant.

No teasing, no playfulness, not even the pretense of enjoyment. Just straight to business with all the sensuality of a dental exam. When I dared to ask for something resembling actual service? Shut down immediately. At one point, two women descended on me like vultures. One actually working while the other just loomed over my shoulder, "helping" by doing absolutely nothing except periodically adjusting her bra strap. No matter how many times I said I only needed one attendant, the other refused to budge.

Then came the grand finale: the bartender casually doubling the charge, claiming I'd received "double service. " For what? Having an extra woman stand there watching? The sheer audacity would've been impressive if it wasn't so infuriating. Zero stars. Wouldn't return if they paid me. Save your money for literally anywhere else. The 7-Eleven down the street would provide more satisfying customer service.

When I walk into an establishment for a blowjob, I expect more than just mechanical efficiency—I'm paying for the full sensory experience. A truly memorable session should unfold languidly, starting with teasing anticipation before building gradually into wet, messy bliss. Twenty minutes is the absolute minimum for proper pacing; anything less feels rushed and unsatisfying, like ordering filet mignon and getting under-seasoned fast-food steak.

But time alone doesn't make it exceptional—technique and enthusiasm matter just as much. A four-star performance involves deliberate pacing—licking, sucking, swirling—each motion artfully layered to heighten pleasure. The mouth should be slick, warm, and sinfully generous, keeping me balanced right on that razor edge between patience and desperation.

For that elusive fifth star? Mastery. Show me you can take it deeper without hesitation, let me push the boundaries a little until the spit's running freely. Face-fucking is pure bonus points—nothing seals perfection like audible gagging mixing with the wet sounds of enthusiastic effort. That's when you earn the glowing review, the return visit, the whispered recommendation among friends.

1500 baht total but all I wanted was a ginger ale and a BJ. I said no to everything else that was offered.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3022819] Anyway, I blew and she swallowed. Cost 1 kB. Plus small tip.[/QUOTE]It must be a new trend. Today I visited J-Spot nuru on soi 33. I'm not sure I'm going to bother writing a review, as apart from it being my first, and probably last, nuru experience (after reading a recommendation for this particular place on smf), it was rather uneventful, but after cumming in the girls mouth, I remembered this thread.

Normally I just relax with my eyes closed after cumming, while listening to the girl harking and coughing by the nearest sink, but thinking about this thread the first few seconds after cumming (no, I don't know why I was thinking about this thread), I instead kept them open, looking at the girl, and obviously wondering what she would do next. She of course saw me looking at her, and wondering what she would do next. After an additional second or two, she swallowed while looking back at me.

I enquired as to the taste. She complimented it and enquired about my diet, obviously planning to suggest it to her bfs, bless her heart.

I'm thinking this is a new trend, and slightly worry that from now on I will always keep staring intensely at the girl after CIM, rather than just leaning back to relax with my eyes closed as before.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;3022842]As I have reported previously, I ALWAYS ask for a condom in a BJ bar... ... ... ... ... for my beer. Thank you and good night.[/QUOTE]Try the veal!

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;3022861]Let me tell you about my latest disappointment. Jungle Jim's, which sadly doesn't live up to its adventurous name in any positive sense. From the moment I walked into that cramped little "shotgun bar" (where you can literally see from the entrance straight through to the back wall), I should've known better.

No teasing, no playfulness, not even the pretense of enjoyment. Just straight to business with all the sensuality of a dental exam. When I dared to ask for something resembling actual service? Shut down immediately. At one point, two women descended on me like vultures. One actually working while the other just loomed over my shoulder, "helping" by doing absolutely nothing except periodically adjusting her bra strap. No matter how many times I said I only needed one attendant, the other refused to budge.

Then came the grand finale: the bartender casually doubling the charge, claiming I'd received "double service. " For what? Having an extra woman stand there watching? The sheer audacity would've been impressive if it wasn't so infuriating. Zero stars. Wouldn't return if they paid me. Save your money for literally anywhere else. The 7-Eleven down the street would provide more satisfying customer service.
[/QUOTE]Ugh, what a shit-show, though entertaining to read. Jungle Jim's is to be avoided then, as a snake in the boot.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3022813]Or they make you believe it first. Once you believe them, they will whisper "Special for you, can do, but you cannot tell. And only 500 extra".

As for CIM + Swallow. I never understood this. You get a good CIM, why would you care what she does with your cream? What difference does it make once you have nutted?[/QUOTE]

I don't care what a p4p girl does with it, but I admit it does give me a strangely warm feeling knowing that after I came in a friends or girlfriends mouth, it then goes down in to her stomach.

It also annoys me when a normal girl, non-p4p girl, does not swallow, but instead spits it out. I feel a bit offended to be honest, and tell them it makes me feel not so good when they do that, especially if it's not the first time I'm seeing her.
Of course, in most of the cases they were never planning to see me again, already regretting last night's mistake, so could not care less, but sometimes playing the tickle game immediately after cumming in her mouth, before she's had time to get off the bed and run into the bathroom, helps bring about the desired effect.

Obviously a psychological thing.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3022958]I don't care what a p4p girl does with it, but I admit it does give me a strangely warm feeling knowing that after I came in a friends or girlfriends mouth, it then goes down in to her stomach.

It also annoys me when a normal girl, non-p4p girl, does not swallow, but instead spits it out. I feel a bit offended to be honest, and tell them it makes me feel not so good when they do that, especially if it's not the first time I'm seeing her.
Of course, in most of the cases they were never planning to see me again, already regretting last night's mistake, so could not care less, but sometimes playing the tickle game immediately after cumming in her mouth, before she's had time to get off the bed and run into the bathroom, helps bring about the desired effect.

Obviously a psychological thing.[/QUOTE]I see the point but the worse of the worse are the one's that give a BJ, not even cumming have a tissue next to her wipes and then goes down again, up wipes go down again! With old age once I see this the little guy goes to sleep, session over!

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3022958]I don't care what a p4p girl does with it, but I admit it does give me a strangely warm feeling knowing that after I came in a friends or girlfriends mouth, it then goes down in to her stomach.

It also annoys me when a normal girl, non-p4p girl, does not swallow, but instead spits it out. I feel a bit offended to be honest, and tell them it makes me feel not so good when they do that, especially if it's not the first time I'm seeing her.
Of course, in most of the cases they were never planning to see me again, already regretting last night's mistake, so could not care less, but sometimes playing the tickle game immediately after cumming in her mouth, before she's had time to get off the bed and run into the bathroom, helps bring about the desired effect.

Obviously a psychological thing.[/QUOTE]As it happens I was rereading my 2024 year in review and was surprised to see that my Wood Bar girl swallowed with a smile. No discussion. So some Wood Bar girls clearly do. I chalk it up to my amazingly tasty cum. YMMV. 😝.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3022964]I see the point but the worse of the worse are the one's that give a BJ, not even cumming have a tissue next to her wipes and then goes down again, up wipes go down again! With old age once I see this the little guy goes to sleep, session over![/QUOTE]If that happens, I move the tissue away and tell her if she does like that, I cannot finish. Usually resolves the matter for me, but if not I imagine I will let her continue to work her mouth for the next 30-40 minutes, while I just relax and enjoy it, even knowing I will not finish. Will then inform whatever manager on the way out about the problem and how I feel I wasted 1000 baht (or whatever), even though I do get some enjoyment of a BJ, even if I do not finish.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3022958]I don't care what a p4p girl does with it, but I admit it does give me a strangely warm feeling knowing that after I came in a friends or girlfriends mouth, it then goes down in to her stomach.

It also annoys me when a normal girl, non-p4p girl, does not swallow, but instead spits it out. I feel a bit offended to be honest, and tell them it makes me feel not so good when they do that, especially if it's not the first time I'm seeing her.
Of course, in most of the cases they were never planning to see me again, already regretting last night's mistake, so could not care less, but sometimes playing the tickle game immediately after cumming in her mouth, before she's had time to get off the bed and run into the bathroom, helps bring about the desired effect.

Obviously a psychological thing.[/QUOTE]I understand the position some guys take about not caring what the girl does with the cum after they finish. After all, neither your dick nor the cum experiences any additional pleasure sensation when the cum is traveling down her throat and into her tummy.

But they are missing the point of why and where the pleasure of the girl swallowing instead of spitting comes into it.

The pleasure is in our knowing she will keep going and swallow all of it and not spit it out all during the entire blowjob experience. Which adds immeasurably to the eroticism of the entire experience for the duration and is not really about a post-orgasm bonus.

Which is why a surprise swallow at the end of the blowjob is nice but the girl has thrown away virtally all of the value in it by not assuring us before she begins that she will swallow all of it.

Unless she is playing a longer game about it in that you will "know" she is going to swallow all of it the next time you see her, which encourages a repeat session.

Was in BKK from Friday to Monday morning. Thought I'd try a super late hotel booking and see what came up. In departures lounge I found Paradise Boutique Suites for 76 euro for three nights. Run by Indians. Friendly, well run, clean etc. Good location, too, right in front of the Sukhumvit walk bridge.

Got to hotel on soi 10 just as check opened. Feeling horny I booked a girl I'the been in contact with on TF. Lin was there in thirty minutes. Girl -next -door cute, 166 cm, 56 kg, Settled on 2000 B down from 2500. Nice body, fairly tight, if tits bit small; a pretty face makes up for a lot for me when it comes to cumming easily or not.

Friday evening was in mood for a good BJ from a SW. Being on soi 10 opposite Sofitel and Thermae practically, this wasn't a problem. Around 11 pm picked up a cute diminutive popsy. Of course she could give decent BJs! What else would she say? I thought she was Thai but when we got to my hotel a few yards away she couldn't produce any ID and so reception didn't allow her up. She sulked back to her Suk spot. Just before I ran into this one, I believe I passed the Kazak waiting under the walkway. Some have mentioned her on here. She looked pretty hot. After this I was too tired to go looking again so called it a night.

Saturday was another Tanzanian girl. Forget her name so I won't use TF handle on here. A search with the parameters should find her. 25 yr, 160 and 42 kg. Gorgeous body, face and skin. Tits a bit saggy but great puss and ass. She only let me touch her nipples for some reason. Great BJ skills. Finished from behind. Interestingly, this girl also had no ID (passport in her case) for reception. She called me and I went down and we agreed that she could leave her phone at reception. Apparently she had photo of passport on phone, but it didn't satisfy reception. She arrived in a flame red African dress-headress thing with 6 inch heels on a Grab scooter from soi4. Imagine quite some sight to see that.

Saturday night was the Wood Bar experience reported below.

Sunday was devoted to my long time Thai friend who worked for Bangkok Airways in pre-pandemic past. Still in great shape with amazing naturals. Her entire body is one big erogenous zone. Sometimes I can't touch her without her shaking. She came so many times I lost count. She squirts profusely too so I have to be on my guard if I'm DATY otherwise I get soaked in piss. LOL.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;3022861]Let me tell you about my latest disappointment. Jungle Jim's, which sadly doesn't live up to its adventurous name in any positive sense. From the moment I walked into that cramped little "shotgun bar" (where you can literally see from the entrance straight through to the back wall), I should've known better.

The place has this seedy, half-hearted setup. A narrow strip of a room with a few worn-out bar stools lining one side, and opposite them, a pathetic excuse for a "stage" barely big enough for one person to awkwardly shuffle on. And the talent? Mostly tired-looking women in their 40's and 50's who seemed about as enthusiastic as I was once the prices came up.

Here's the kicker though. I'm a careful guy, always ask for pricing upfront to avoid surprises. But these hustlers still found some creative accounting to hit me with an inflated bill after a thoroughly mediocre experience. Classic bait-and-switch in a place barely nicer than a back alley stall. Save your baht, folks. This jungle's only got snakes.

The service was an absolute joke, the kind of slapdash effort that makes you question why you even bothered walking through the door. Despite the bar being nearly empty the staff still rushed through everything with all the enthusiasm of factory workers punching the clock. What I got was literally the most perfunctory, mechanical BJ imaginable, crammed into a dim back corner that smelled vaguely of stale beer and cheap disinfectant.

No teasing, no playfulness, not even the pretense of enjoyment. Just straight to business with all the sensuality of a dental exam. When I dared to ask for something resembling actual service? Shut down immediately. At one point, two women descended on me like vultures. One actually working while the other just loomed over my shoulder, "helping" by doing absolutely nothing except periodically adjusting her bra strap. No matter how many times I said I only needed one attendant, the other refused to budge.

Then came the grand finale: the bartender casually doubling the charge, claiming I'd received "double service. " For what? Having an extra woman stand there watching? The sheer audacity would've been impressive if it wasn't so infuriating. Zero stars. Wouldn't return if they paid me. Save your money for literally anywhere else. The 7-Eleven down the street would provide more satisfying customer service.

When I walk into an establishment for a blowjob, I expect more than just mechanical efficiencyI'm paying for the full sensory experience. A truly memorable session should unfold languidly, starting with teasing anticipation before building gradually into wet, messy bliss. Twenty minutes is the absolute minimum for proper pacing; anything less feels rushed and unsatisfying, like ordering filet mignon and getting under-seasoned fast-food steak.

But time alone doesn't make it exceptionaltechnique and enthusiasm matter just as much. A four-star performance involves deliberate pacinglicking, sucking, swirlingeach motion artfully layered to heighten pleasure. The mouth should be slick, warm, and sinfully generous, keeping me balanced right on that razor edge between patience and desperation.

For that elusive fifth star? Mastery. Show me you can take it deeper without hesitation, let me push the boundaries a little until the spit's running freely. Face-fucking is pure bonus pointsnothing seals perfection like audible gagging mixing with the wet sounds of enthusiastic effort. That's when you earn the glowing review, the return visit, the whispered recommendation among friends.

1500 baht total but all I wanted was a ginger ale and a BJ. I said no to everything else that was offered.[/QUOTE]Slander bro. Be careful.

Been reading good things about 7-Heaven, any recent intel on this joint?

Fellow mongers,

My wife and I are traveling to Thailand next week and we're both heading back from Bangkok in different flights.

She is going to visit her relatives while I fly back home. Her flight departs 2 hours before mine and I wanted to check if there is a chance of getting a he massage at the airport after her flight departs LOL.

I feel I'm being over ambitious here.

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3023509]Fellow mongers,

My wife and I are traveling to Thailand next week and we're both heading back from Bangkok in different flights.

She is going to visit her relatives while I fly back home. Her flight departs 2 hours before mine and I wanted to check if there is a chance of getting a he massage at the airport after her flight departs LOL.

I feel I'm being over ambitious here.[/QUOTE]Which Airport?

I believe both have a spa inside, but not sure they will offer happy ending.

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3023509]Fellow mongers,
My wife and I are traveling to Thailand next week and we're both heading back from Bangkok in different flights.
She is going to visit her relatives while I fly back home. Her flight departs 2 hours before mine and I wanted to check if there is a chance of getting a he massage at the airport after her flight departs LOL.
I feel I'm being over ambitious here.[/QUOTE]There are some massage parlors at Suvarnabhumi airport. There is one in the basement. Coming from the airport rail link turn right where you normally turn left to go to the escalators and elevator. Then it's on your right hand side.
And I have also seen some massage parlors at the air side. I believe there's one around gate G, if I'm not mistaken.

They are all quite expensive though, and I don't think a happy end will be on the menu, if that's what you're looking for.

However, isn't your wife flying domestic from Don Muang Airport?

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3023380]Been reading good things about 7-Heaven, any recent intel on this joint?[/QUOTE]Now that secret kiss is open, there is no need to visit 7-h really, unless you prefer to only be able to select girls from photoshopped photos on a tablet.

Girls at 7-h are ok (similar to secret kiss), but some of the women who manage the reception at 7-h are the worst you'll ever meet, if they think they can talk about you in thai without you understanding what they say.

Secret Kiss has better rooms (including a full shower), better service, girls of same age / quality, and you while the initial selection is done on a tablet there too, you can then ask to see the girl for real before paying, and if not to your liking, choose another girl from the same tablet and see her, etc.
7-H is choose from tablet only, pay, then hope whoever you picked does not look too much off from their photoshopped photo. I've been disappointed every time, and after secret kiss opened, never had any desire to visit 7-h again.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3023552]There are some massage parlors at Suvarnabhumi airport. There is one in the basement. Coming from the airport rail link turn right where you normally turn left to go to the escalators and elevator. Then it's on your right hand side.
And I have also seen some massage parlors at the air side. I believe there's one around gate G, if I'm not mistaken.

They are all quite expensive though, and I don't think a happy end will be on the menu, if that's what you're looking for.

However, isn't your wife flying domestic from Don Muang Airport?[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing kind sir. I tried doing some research after your response and looks like they don't offer any extras.

It is what it is.

And my wife will be flying internationally and hence the conundrum.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3023552]There are some massage parlors at Suvarnabhumi airport. There is one in the basement. Coming from the airport rail link turn right where you normally turn left to go to the escalators and elevator. Then it's on your right hand side.
And I have also seen some massage parlors at the air side. I believe there's one around gate G, if I'm not mistaken.

They are all quite expensive though, and I don't think a happy end will be on the menu, if that's what you're looking for.

However, isn't your wife flying domestic from Don Muang Airport?[/QUOTE]I've been through BKK many times. Never seen a massage parlour, or heard the infamous cry of 'you want massaaaaaaage'.

I am arriving Bangkok September 10 at about 9:30 PM from USA. Staying at 4 Points Sheraton on Soi 11. Are taxis readily available or is it better to arrange a car for pickup? Which is easier and faster? How long will it take from airport to this area? Any advise will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Canada;3023582]I am arriving Bangkok September 10 at about 9:30 PM from USA. Staying at 4 Points Sheraton on Soi 11. Are taxis readily available or is it better to arrange a car for pickup? Which is easier and faster? How long will it take from airport to this area? Any advise will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Never a shortage of taxi's at airport, follow the taxi signs, then you come to machines where you type in the location / address you are going to and it prints you a ticket including the parking bay number where your driver will be waiting, so no potential problems with language barrier etc. All well organized.

The fare into the City can vary depending on traffic, time of day etc but I've never felt cheated or conned. The only issue has been, the driver will regularly ask you for money to pay the tolls, so it's advisable to have some small local currency available.

I find taxi on arrival a lot less hassle than trying to find a pre-arranged transfer service, that more often than not doesn't turn up. Also a taxi is probably going to be cheaper.

Once in BKK, the GRAB app for rideshare (like UBER) is the best and probably most widely used, also for going back to the airport. Hotels will organise taxi's too.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3023559]Now that secret kiss is open, there is no need to visit 7-h really, unless you prefer to only be able to select girls from photoshopped photos on a tablet.

Girls at 7-h are ok (similar to secret kiss), but some of the women who manage the reception at 7-h are the worst you'll ever meet, if they think they can talk about you in thai without you understanding what they say.

Secret Kiss has better rooms (including a full shower), better service, girls of same age / quality, and you while the initial selection is done on a tablet there too, you can then ask to see the girl for real before paying, and if not to your liking, choose another girl from the same tablet and see her, etc.
7-H is choose from tablet only, pay, then hope whoever you picked does not look too much off from their photoshopped photo. I've been disappointed every time, and after secret kiss opened, never had any desire to visit 7-h again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice.

Secret Kiss needs a better website. Only ladies pictures and no info on anything else.

[QUOTE=Canada;3023582]I am arriving Bangkok September 10 at about 9:30 PM from USA. Staying at 4 Points Sheraton on Soi 11. Are taxis readily available or is it better to arrange a car for pickup? Which is easier and faster? How long will it take from airport to this area? Any advise will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]If you're getting a taxi from the airport just be on the lookout for those that try to agree a fixed price rather than use the meter. Typically they start at 600 b, then go down to 500 b before using the meter (which is often around 400 b).

Hi,

I am visiting BKK and phuket for my birthday and was after some BKK recommendations and expected costs. I have already arranged for a 25 yr to stay with me for 24 hours at 5000 which I thing was a good price. Can you recommend any other ladies that are young and don't mind westerners.

[QUOTE=Canada;3023582]I am arriving Bangkok September 10 at about 9:30 PM from USA. Staying at 4 Points Sheraton on Soi 11. Are taxis readily available or is it better to arrange a car for pickup? Which is easier and faster? How long will it take from airport to this area? Any advise will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Up to you. You can arrange a pick up if you like. Last time I spent enough money on a hotel in [URL]booking.com[/URL] website and they gave me a free taxi ride to Sukhumvit. You can you use [URL]booking.com[/URL] only for a taxi too it is not that much more expensive than a regular taxi at the airport. If you like that they are waiting for you with a name sign (you give them your flight number so they wait if it is a bit late). It might or might not be faster. Or you can go to a regular taxi queue and take a number there and give your destination. Plenty of taxis available. At 10pm you will be on your way in 5-15 minutes. Make sure he switches on the meter when the ride starts. It will take 25-45 minutes there. You hve to pay for highway if you go that way and the airport fee in addition to the meter. Maybe 350-500 total in bahts.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3023615]Thanks for the advice.

Secret Kiss needs a better website. Only ladies pictures and no info on anything else.[/QUOTE]I posted all the prices, a search will yield results.

[QUOTE=Canada;3023582]I am arriving Bangkok September 10 at about 9:30 PM from USA. Staying at 4 Points Sheraton on Soi 11. Are taxis readily available or is it better to arrange a car for pickup? Which is easier and faster? How long will it take from airport to this area? Any advise will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I recommend against pre-arranged airport pickup unless it is a free option included with your hotel. BKK is a huge airport and it isn't easy to find any particular person. I’ve never had a problem quickly getting a taxi at BKK.

If you are flying into DMK, that might be a different story. I’ve waited as long as 2 hours to get a taxi at DMK.

[QUOTE=Canada;3023582]I am arriving Bangkok September 10 at about 9:30 PM from USA. Staying at 4 Points Sheraton on Soi 11. Are taxis readily available or is it better to arrange a car for pickup? Which is easier and faster? How long will it take from airport to this area? Any advise will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Just download Grab and Bolt in advance. Grab is Asian Uber. Bolt (Estonian) is growing rapidly and often cheaper. They also charge the drivers five percent less compared to Grab so I always use Bolt. You just book a car once you have collected your luggage. Whether you are going to Pattaya, Hua Hin or round the corner. The wait will be minimal. There is an abundance of cars. Personally I prefer a Bolt or Grab car over a taxi. Just choose in the app.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;3023689]Up to you. You can arrange a pick up if you like. Last time I spent enough money on a hotel in [URL]booking.com[/URL] website and they gave me a free taxi ride to Sukhumvit. You can you use [URL]booking.com[/URL] only for a taxi too it is not that much more expensive than a regular taxi at the airport. If you like that they are waiting for you with a name sign (you give them your flight number so they wait if it is a bit late). It might or might not be faster. Or you can go to a regular taxi queue and take a number there and give your destination. Plenty of taxis available. At 10pm you will be on your way in 5-15 minutes. Make sure he switches on the meter when the ride starts. It will take 25-45 minutes there. You hve to pay for highway if you go that way and the airport fee in addition to the meter. Maybe 350-500 total in bahts.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. It is very helpful. I got a lot of replies and I appreciate it. Makes it easy.

[QUOTE=HornyKiwi;3023679]Hi,

I am visiting BKK and phuket for my birthday and was after some BKK recommendations and expected costs. I have already arranged for a 25 yr to stay with me for 24 hours at 5000 which I thing was a good price. Can you recommend any other ladies that are young and don't mind westerners.[/QUOTE]I haven't been back since covid but getting a taxi should still be easy, exchange some cash at the airport, find the stand and they will tell you the prices before you get in a cab.

[QUOTE=Canada;3023846]Thanks for the information. It is very helpful. I got a lot of replies and I appreciate it. Makes it easy.[/QUOTE]Before covid ID stay at novotel suvarnabhumi and go to sukhumvit a lot. Must have gone from airport to novotel soi 20 about ten times too.

Each cab have their own way of getting there but don't sweat the small stuff. Tell them meter on and relax. Can land between 350 to 450 but honestly just relax. Even if its 500 ok. You're going to pay 2000 minimum for 1 HR at tulip double for a bargirl. Let the drivers make their meagre income.

[QUOTE=Supmam;3023896]Before covid ID stay at novotel suvarnabhumi and go to sukhumvit a lot. Must have gone from airport to novotel soi 20 about ten times too.

Each cab have their own way of getting there but don't sweat the small stuff. Tell them meter on and relax. Can land between 350 to 450 but honestly just relax. Even if its 500 ok. You're going to pay 2000 minimum for 1 HR at tulip double for a bargirl. Let the drivers make their meagre income.[/QUOTE]I always arrive during the daytime. After a couple rather negative experiences with cab drivers ten or more years ago, I started taking the Airport Rail Link from Suvarnabhumi to the end, the Phaya Thai stop on the BTS (aka Sky Train). Then the BTS to the Ploen Chit stop right near my hotel. Cost is 45 baht for the Airport Rail Link and I get a day pass on the BTS so I can take several trips the rest of the day. Ten years ago, the Airport Rail Link was not heavily used; now it is very full. And by taking the rail link and BTS, I feel like I'm getting into the hustle and bustle of Bangkok. The saving is not the point, but it is a fixed price. The advantage is that I don't have to deal with the taxi drivers, many of whom are scoundrels.

I went to Amor 888 and G2G in Bangkok because they were recommended by Rockit Reports, and I have to say, I was disappointed.

First, I went to G2 G and took the "nuru massage" option for 3400 baht. I asked them to show me the characters, because I'm not a noob to just pick from those dim screens with blurry photos. Around 8 girls appeared, and honestly, only one of them was like an 8/10, so I picked her. A young girl, supposedly her first day on the job, with big fake boobs not really my type, since those look pretty unnatural. The whole "first day at work" story we all know, but this time it could have been true, because she had no idea how to handle the "nuru massage" mechanics and overall couldn't build any atmosphere. For that amount of in-game cash I was expecting fireworks, but both the environment and her skills didn't impress me. She was good-looking and fine to play with, but that's not why I paid extra for the "nuru" mode.

Learning from that, when I went to Amor 888, I decided to just take the classic 30-minute option for 2000 baht, without any fancy "massage add-ONS. " Same story again they wanted me to pick characters from the screen, but I said I wanted to see them all. Around 10 girls appeared and none were my type. I'm not super picky, but they were mostly 5/10 or 6/10. The only two that looked somewhat decent were already taken, just sitting on the sofa waiting for players. So I picked one girl who smiled at me a lot very slim, actually too slim for me, but I thought at least she'the be nice since she was smiling. But after I chose her, I didn't see another smile 😅.

Everything felt stiff first they made me wash, then rinse with mouthwash, but still no kisses. Then the character kept "wiping the weapon" like a hundred times, every single move. I felt like I was in a hospital. She was just going through the motions, so I said fine, let's just finish the quest. I pushed through for about 10 minutes but without any emotions, so I eventually lost interest. I asked her to work on it a bit more, but she was only willing to spam the same move (basic HJ attack). After a while I just gave up and left.

In conclusion, the lesson is that it doesn't make sense to overpay for these so-called "premium" parlors. Price does not guarantee good service or attractive characters. And you really shouldn't trust those Rockit Reports reviews too much a week earlier I was in Sapporo, I tried one of the girls they praised so much, and again it was nothing special for a lot of money. You live and learn. .

Tomorrow it s my last day in Bangkok, can you reccomend me some nice spot which I wont be disappointed? Girls dont have to be super young, white, robotic girls typical for Asian guys. I prefer more natural girls.

[QUOTE=RysZardo;3023990]Tomorrow it s my last day in Bangkok, can you reccomend me some nice spot which I wont be disappointed? Girls dont have to be super young, white, robotic girls typical for Asian guys. I prefer more natural girls.[/QUOTE]There's no place where you'll get a guaranteed great service.

Most of the times you've got to be pro-active and make things happen instead of waiting for the girl to follow her boring routine.

Secondly, mondays are the worst day of the week for mongering in my experience, but you can still be lucky.

Don't go for the nuru stuff, almost all of them are pure bullshit just to grab more cash from the customers, and don't blindly follow recommandations from sketchy sites.

To answer your question, you might try Hunny Bunny massage on soi 33, the place is said to consistently provide better than average service for quite some time now.

I confirm.

At the beginning I also found a nice lady, but finally Amor 888 was the biggest delusion of Bangkok.

Yes, nice lady was just one. The line was terrible. You pay crazy amount for nice place and room. But the girl? NO.

Forgot about.

All the advertising about special service is just fake.

[QUOTE=RysZardo;3023990]I went to Amor 888 and G2G in Bangkok because they were recommended by Rockit Reports, and I have to say, I was disappointed.

First, I went to G2 G and took the "nuru massage" option for 3400 baht. I asked them to show me the characters, because I'm not a noob to just pick from those dim screens with blurry photos. Around 8 girls appeared, and honestly, only one of them was like an 8/10, so I picked her. A young girl, supposedly her first day on the job, with big fake boobs not really my type, since those look pretty unnatural. The whole "first day at work" story we all know, but this time it could have been true, because she had no idea how to handle the "nuru massage" mechanics and overall couldn't build any atmosphere. For that amount of in-game cash I was expecting fireworks, but both the environment and her skills didn't impress me. She was good-looking and fine to play with, but that's not why I paid extra for the "nuru" mode.

Learning from that, when I went to Amor 888, I decided to just take the classic 30-minute option for 2000 baht, without any fancy "massage add-ONS. " Same story again they wanted me to pick characters from the screen, but I said I wanted to see them all. Around 10 girls appeared and none were my type. I'm not super picky, but they were mostly 5/10 or 6/10. The only two that looked somewhat decent were already taken, just sitting on the sofa waiting for players. So I picked one girl who smiled at me a lot very slim, actually too slim for me, but I thought at least she'the be nice since she was smiling. But after I chose her, I didn't see another smile 😅.

Everything felt stiff first they made me wash, then rinse with mouthwash, but still no kisses. Then the character kept "wiping the weapon" like a hundred times, every single move. I felt like I was in a hospital. She was just going through the motions, so I said fine, let's just finish the quest. I pushed through for about 10 minutes but without any emotions, so I eventually lost interest. I asked her to work on it a bit more, but she was only willing to spam the same move (basic HJ attack). After a while I just gave up and left.

In conclusion, the lesson is that it doesn't make sense to overpay for these so-called "premium" parlors. Price does not guarantee good service or attractive characters. And you really shouldn't trust those Rockit Reports reviews too much a week earlier I was in Sapporo, I tried one of the girls they praised so much, and again it was nothing special for a lot of money. You live and learn. .

Tomorrow it s my last day in Bangkok, can you reccomend me some nice spot which I wont be disappointed? Girls dont have to be super young, white, robotic girls typical for Asian guys. I prefer more natural girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;3023582]I am arriving Bangkok September 10 at about 9:30 PM from USA. Staying at 4 Points Sheraton on Soi 11. Are taxis readily available or is it better to arrange a car for pickup? Which is easier and faster? How long will it take from airport to this area? Any advise will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Just download GRAB or BOLT and book a taxy with mobile paying with credit card. It will be around 400 bath, so 12 USD, from airport to your hotel. You would need around 30 minutes. No tip needing. All paid by app.

[QUOTE=RysZardo;3023990]I went to Amor 888 and G2G in Bangkok because they were recommended by Rockit Reports, and I have to say, I was disappointed.[/QUOTE]Rockit reports are old and just paid advertising.

[QUOTE=RysZardo;3023990]
Tomorrow it s my last day in Bangkok, can you reccomend me some nice spot which I wont be disappointed? Girls dont have to be super young, white, robotic girls typical for Asian guys. I prefer more natural girls.[/QUOTE]If you like Nuru (I don't), I can recommend Luna at HiSo nuru on sukhumvit 31 (actually between soi 31 and soi 33). Maybe do a booking if you want to be sure.

That aside, I think I perhaps on average have had my better experiences at Mango Massage and Full moon massage, in that cluster of shops on Soi 24, for half the price.

I'm using this telegram group to find leads I've used to get on Fiwfans.
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However, it is only for On Nut and Bangna. Does anybody knows the groups for Thonglo Kokotel and Ratchadaphisek places, if there are any.

Tried out J Spot as it was mentioned on the board and some other places, and I liked the photos of the girls online. I was recommended Yaya, a very slim girl from BKK.

I have been wanting to try out a Nuru for awhile. Looks incredible when I have seen it in porn. Turns out that it is not for me. I think that the shop is probably pretty good if you are into it. And Yaya was sweet and did her job diligently, and did get me to completion. But I found myself bored in the middle.

Girl Ratings:

Face: 7/10.

Body: 6/10.

Service: 7/10.

WIR: No.

Recommended?: I think if you are into nuru this is probably a good place. Otherwise, I would skip.

Saved the evening at Thermae Cafe.

I long for the days of Mango massage's peak back in 2010 ish. The consensus on the board seems that the service there is not what it used to be.

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;3023987]I always arrive during the daytime. After a couple rather negative experiences with cab drivers ten or more years ago, I started taking the Airport Rail Link from Suvarnabhumi to the end, the Phaya Thai stop on the BTS (aka Sky Train). Then the BTS to the Ploen Chit stop right near my hotel. Cost is 45 baht for the Airport Rail Link and I get a day pass on the BTS so I can take several trips the rest of the day. Ten years ago, the Airport Rail Link was not heavily used; now it is very full. And by taking the rail link and BTS, I feel like I'm getting into the hustle and bustle of Bangkok. The saving is not the point, but it is a fixed price. The advantage is that I don't have to deal with the taxi drivers, many of whom are scoundrels.[/QUOTE]When I have loads of baggage I won't take the ARL, its rude to others and a pain. $15 Swampy to downtown and he will grab your bag.

I usually take the red line out of DMK because all I have is a small pack.

[QUOTE=Irishpunk;3024250]Tried out J Spot as it was mentioned on the board and some other places, and I liked the photos of the girls online. I was recommended Yaya, a very slim girl from BKK.

I have been wanting to try out a Nuru for awhile. Looks incredible when I have seen it in porn. Turns out that it is not for me. I think that the shop is probably pretty good if you are into it. And Yaya was sweet and did her job diligently, and did get me to completion. But I found myself bored in the middle.

Girl Ratings:

Face: 7/10.

Body: 6/10.

Service: 7/10.

WIR: No.

Recommended?: I think if you are into nuru this is probably a good place. Otherwise, I would skip.

Saved the evening at Thermae Cafe.

I long for the days of Mango massage's peak back in 2010 ish. The consensus on the board seems that the service there is not what it used to be.[/QUOTE]Oh man, so do I. The best days for the PSE oilies were around 2010 with Snow, Mango, Tulip, and eventually Cherry. A load of baby free gals who were up for absolutely everything. Service and looks were far better. And may I say the average weight of the gals was easily 10 kilos less.

Fellow mongers,

What brand of delay spray should I ask for in a medical shop in Thailand. I have 2 hours to spare in BKK before catching my flight and I want to have a threesome that doesn't end early LOL.

Also please suggest a good place or know girls for a threesome.

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3024428]Fellow mongers,

What brand of delay spray should I ask for in a medical shop in Thailand. I have 2 hours to spare in BKK before catching my flight and I want to have a threesome that doesn't end early LOL.

Also please suggest a good place or know girls for a threesome.[/QUOTE]2 hours?

BJ bar.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3024489]2 hours?

BJ bar.[/QUOTE]I should have written that post better.

I have 2 hours to kill and I am put up near prathunam market. I have a flight to catch after that.

I'll be arriving in Bangkok a day before but have a couple of hours to spare in the afternoon before leaving for the airport.

Any good MPs where I can get a threesome with involved partners? If not I would like to meet a Russian or uzbek chick.

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3024428]Fellow mongers,

What brand of delay spray should I ask for in a medical shop in Thailand. I have 2 hours to spare in BKK before catching my flight and I want to have a threesome that doesn't end early LOL.

Also please suggest a good place or know girls for a threesome.[/QUOTE]I prefer a cream. Any lidocaine 5% cream will do. Do it at the hotel before you leave. Put it on for 5 or 10 minutes than wash it off with soup really good then go ASAP to the MP.

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3024656]I should have written that post better.

I have 2 hours to kill and I am put up near prathunam market. I have a flight to catch after that.

I'll be arriving in Bangkok a day before but have a couple of hours to spare in the afternoon before leaving for the airport.

Any good MPs where I can get a threesome with involved partners? If not I would like to meet a Russian or uzbek chick.[/QUOTE]2 hours? Afternoon? With your baggage?

BJ Bar is your only remedy.

Was walking in Nana plaza area yesterday night. Seen the stan girls at theirusual. Spot. Talked to one some usual stuff. All the girls were not that good though.

Still. Asked one for LT. She refused and say no LT.

Walked back to hotel. Seen a preety lady on the way and spent night happy with her.

[QUOTE=Vivphab;3024796]Was walking in Nana plaza area yesterday night. Seen the stan girls at theirusual. Spot. Talked to one some usual stuff. All the girls were not that good though.

Still. Asked one for LT. She refused and say no LT.

Walked back to hotel. Seen a preety lady on the way and spent night happy with her.[/QUOTE]Stan girls are not your cup of tea but you wanted one for LT?

[QUOTE=BroComplex;3024664]I prefer a cream. Any lidocaine 5% cream will do. Do it at the hotel before you leave. Put it on for 5 or 10 minutes than wash it off with soup really good then go ASAP to the MP.[/QUOTE]Hit some Viagra and pop twice.

First time posting in this forum so I hope I'm asking in the correct place but sine she mentions she is in Bangkok I thought to do it here. I came across her profile a few weeks ago and next month I'll be traveling. I've made some contact but want to confirm if she's legit as I haven't been able to find any reports online. She appears as Meganny21 in social media. If anyone has met with her please do tell your experience.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-bangkok/megan-hot-in-town[/URL]

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3024656]I should have written that post better.

I have 2 hours to kill and I am put up near prathunam market. I have a flight to catch after that.

I'll be arriving in Bangkok a day before but have a couple of hours to spare in the afternoon before leaving for the airport.

Any good MPs where I can get a threesome with involved partners? If not I would like to meet a Russian or uzbek chick.[/QUOTE]100 percent good services at cherry or snow white.

Does Nana have st rooms like soi cowboy does? I am thinking of my options if I don't want to take them back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=BadDances;3024919]Does Nana have st rooms like soi cowboy does? I am thinking of my options if I don't want to take them back to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Not anymore, you have to walk down the street about 250 m the 7-eleven, make a left, pass the yellow ATM and ladyboys and that's where you'll find the short time hotels.

Looking to see if anyone has met up with Megan / Meganny21. I texted her and all seemed good but want to confirm if everything she offers is legit as I haven't found any reviews of her online.

[QUOTE=BadDances;3024919]Does Nana have st rooms like soi cowboy does? I am thinking of my options if I don't want to take them back to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Where are the ST rooms in Soi Cowboy. Don't recall ever seeing any.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3024908]Hit some Viagra and pop twice.[/QUOTE]I prefer cialis.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3024953]Where are the ST rooms in Soi Cowboy. Don't recall ever seeing any.[/QUOTE]I am definitely not an expert on soi cowboy, but I visited the new Gogo there called Bad Beach last weekend, and the girl told me they have short time rooms upstairs. No idea about price, I prefer my place instead.

To answer the original question, Nana Plaza used to have short-time rooms at the top roughly where Butterflies is, 7 ish years ago. Now if you want a ST room the girls bring you to White Orchid Inn, about a 3-4 minute walk from Nana Plaza entrance, 300 baht.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3024953]Where are the ST rooms in Soi Cowboy. Don't recall ever seeing any.[/QUOTE]They are usually in the clubs above.

[QUOTE=BadDances;3024919]Does Nana have st rooms like soi cowboy does? I am thinking of my options if I don't want to take them back to my hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3024932]Not anymore, you have to walk down the street about 250 m the 7-eleven, make a left, pass the yellow ATM and ladyboys and that's where you'll find the short time hotels.[/QUOTE]Nyezhov is correct, but those 300 baht ST hotels are not nice. A better ST option is Atlas on Soi 7/1 for a few baht more.

It has been my experience that the Nana Plaza gogo girls prefer to go to my hotel.

I like Pattaya's GC's like Heavens Above, Cat Flaps, Passion because all the action is on site. No need to leave.

Does Bangkok have any GC's with on site action?

What about beer bars with upstairs rooms, like Soi 6 in Pattaya? Doe Bangkok have anything like this?

I could use a second opinion on this: -- I was possibly set up by an underage girl. One month ago, I was walking back to my apartment near NANA and while walking past Thermae a cute girl approached. I was a bit drunk but asked her how old she was and how much for short time. She said she was 22 and wanted 2,000. We agreed and she walked with me to my condo. Once in the room, things didn't go well. She wanted payment in advance and asked me if I was taking pictures or recording. Once undressed, she started complaining about pain from a UTI. We didn't have intercourse but messed around unsatisfactorily. She took her phone with her to bed. Was she recording? After about 15 min, I said we should stop and told her that she didn't do what we had agreed to and should refund me 1,000 Baht. She became upset and gave me back the 2,000 and then said she was going to call somebody and call the police because she was only 17. I gave her the 2,000 back and apologized. I walked her down to the street and she disappeared. There are lots of CCTV cameras in the condo I was renting. Should I be worried? I left the next day to go to Phuket and left BKK one week later. I confess that I was worried that I would be detained at the airport but I wasn't. I'm sort of afraid to go back to Thailand in case she was working with the Police to shake down foreigners. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3025064]I could use a second opinion on this: -- I was possibly set up by an underage girl. One month ago, I was walking back to my apartment near NANA and while walking past Thermae a cute girl approached. I was a bit drunk but asked her how old she was and how much for short time. She said she was 22 and wanted 2,000. We agreed and she walked with me to my condo. Once in the room, things didn't go well. She wanted payment in advance and asked me if I was taking pictures or recording. Once undressed, she started complaining about pain from a UTI. We didn't have intercourse but messed around unsatisfactorily. She took her phone with her to bed. Was she recording? After about 15 min, I said we should stop and told her that she didn't do what we had agreed to and should refund me 1,000 Baht. She became upset and gave me back the 2,000 and then said she was going to call somebody and call the police because she was only 17. I gave her the 2,000 back and apologized. I walked her down to the street and she disappeared. There are lots of CCTV cameras in the condo I was renting. Should I be worried? I left the next day to go to Phuket and left BKK one week later. I confess that I was worried that I would be detained at the airport but I wasn't. I'm sort of afraid to go back to Thailand in case she was working with the Police to shake down foreigners. Any thoughts would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Oh my, GT, you dodged a bullet! If it were me I would avoid any place near where you met her and put some time behind you till you go back.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3025023]Nyezhov is correct, but those 300 baht ST hotels are not nice. A better ST option is Atlas on Soi 7/1 for a few baht more.

It has been my experience that the Nana Plaza gogo girls prefer to go to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Too far of a walk. I don't care what the girls prefer.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3025064]I could use a second opinion on this: -- I was possibly set up by an underage girl. One month ago, I was walking back to my apartment near NANA and while walking past Thermae a cute girl approached. I was a bit drunk but asked her how old she was and how much for short time. She said she was 22 and wanted 2,000. We agreed and she walked with me to my condo. Once in the room, things didn't go well. She wanted payment in advance and asked me if I was taking pictures or recording. Once undressed, she started complaining about pain from a UTI. We didn't have intercourse but messed around unsatisfactorily. She took her phone with her to bed. Was she recording? After about 15 min, I said we should stop and told her that she didn't do what we had agreed to and should refund me 1,000 Baht. She became upset and gave me back the 2,000 and then said she was going to call somebody and call the police because she was only 17. I gave her the 2,000 back and apologized. I walked her down to the street and she disappeared. There are lots of CCTV cameras in the condo I was renting. Should I be worried? I left the next day to go to Phuket and left BKK one week later. I confess that I was worried that I would be detained at the airport but I wasn't. I'm sort of afraid to go back to Thailand in case she was working with the Police to shake down foreigners. Any thoughts would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]ProTip: Always look at street girls ID yourself if you are staying in a non ID venue.

Checkout The PIMP and Elite Thonglor 13.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3025052]I like Pattaya's GC's like Heavens Above, Cat Flaps, Passion because all the action is on site. No need to leave.

Does Bangkok have any GC's with on site action?

What about beer bars with upstairs rooms, like Soi 6 in Pattaya? Doe Bangkok have anything like this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3024953]Where are the ST rooms in Soi Cowboy. Don't recall ever seeing any.[/QUOTE]Asoke Place, just around the corner on Soi 21. But I don't know if it's still open.
Not to be confused with another 'Asoke Place' further down Soi 21, by the way.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3025114]Asoke Place, just around the corner on Soi 21. But I don't know if it's still open.
Not to be confused with another 'Asoke Place' further down Soi 21, by the way.[/QUOTE]Yes it's still open. There is also a short time hotel on Soi Cowboy across from Baccara. You enter through the Pizzeria. One more on Soi 23 next to Scruffy Murphy's British Pub. I'm not sure of the name.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3025052]I like Pattaya's GC's like Heavens Above, Cat Flaps, Passion because all the action is on site. No need to leave.

Does Bangkok have any GC's with on site action?

What about beer bars with upstairs rooms, like Soi 6 in Pattaya? Doe Bangkok have anything like this?[/QUOTE]No it really doesn't.

Like I mentioned in my previous post, I had 2 hours to have a 3 some pse.

I messaged cherry massage as suggested by punters on this forum, set up sometime and the mamasan recommended mind and keta because they can "work well together".

I was building up the experience in my head running all the different stuff I wanted to try.

Once I reached the place and saw the girls my heart sank. Mind was old but atleast well maintained. Keta was a mood killer.

I didn't show my disappointment because I hoped the experience could still be saved. I have to give it to the ladies for their enthusiasm and the level of commitment to the service they provide. I tried everything I wanted to but it was far from what I had imagined it would be.

Guess a rookie mistake. I'm typing this sitting at the airport. Probably its Bangkok's way - " I have another tango left" .

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3025153]Like I mentioned in my previous post, I had 2 hours to have a 3 some pse.

I messaged cherry massage as suggested by punters on this forum, set up sometime and the mamasan recommended mind and keta because they can "work well together".

I was building up the experience in my head running all the different stuff I wanted to try.

Once I reached the place and saw the girls my heart sank. Mind was old but atleast well maintained. Keta was a mood killer.

I didn't show my disappointment because I hoped the experience could still be saved. I have to give it to the ladies for their enthusiasm and the level of commitment to the service they provide. I tried everything I wanted to but it was far from what I had imagined it would be.

Guess a rookie mistake. I'm typing this sitting at the airport. Probably its Bangkok's way - " I have another tango left" .[/QUOTE]Yeah, overall the looks at the PSE places can leave a lot to be desired. 15 years ago that wasn't the case, but it certainly is now. I've always found threesomes leave a lot to be desired.

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3025153]Like I mentioned in my previous post, I had 2 hours to have a 3 some pse.

I messaged cherry massage as suggested by punters on this forum, set up sometime and the mamasan recommended mind and keta because they can "work well together".

I was building up the experience in my head running all the different stuff I wanted to try.

Once I reached the place and saw the girls my heart sank. Mind was old but atleast well maintained. Keta was a mood killer.

I didn't show my disappointment because I hoped the experience could still be saved. I have to give it to the ladies for their enthusiasm and the level of commitment to the service they provide. I tried everything I wanted to but it was far from what I had imagined it would be..[/QUOTE]If my experience this past weekend is the norm there, then.

Someone should have suggested RED FERN in Soi 7/1 to you!

Also, there advertisement is close to true.

As they call themselves red fern. Aka Eden #2.

I had two very alluring, and good looking more than PSE enough girls, both in their late 20's.

They did full on sex with me, total lesbian on themselves and masturbation as well.

No anal play as it wasn't what I was seeking.

My mates two older, less attractive ladies were even more PSE with lots of ass play rimming etc, and still condoms required.

Only thing I'd wish changed was the condom demand.

At 3800 baht for 90 minutes, unlimited pops with the quality and action it was great value.

I got off 2 pops, and tho I tried hard I couldn't cum the 3rd, my mate did 3 and couldn't cum the 4th.

So, a question.

Did we just get lucky, or is Red Fern a good choice that's not well known of, as it's considered expensive?

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3025172]If my experience this past weekend is the norm there, then.

Someone should have suggested RED FERN in Soi 7/1 to you!

Also, there advertisement is close to true.

As they call themselves red fern. Aka Eden #2.

I had two very alluring, and good looking more than PSE enough girls, both in their late 20's.

They did full on sex with me, total lesbian on themselves and masturbation as well.

No anal play as it wasn't what I was seeking.

My mates two older, less attractive ladies were even more PSE with lots of ass play rimming etc, and still condoms required.

Only thing I'd wish changed was the condom demand.

At 3800 baht for 90 minutes, unlimited pops with the quality and action it was great value.[/QUOTE]Nice report and thanks for TOFTT! I've passed there a few times but never saw anything worthwhile. Guess I'll have to stroll by again.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;3025107]Checkout The PIMP and Elite Thonglor 13.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to either place, but looking at their websites, they both look like disco clubs with table service.

No bar fining or rooms on site.

Can anyone confirm?

Hey guys,

It's my 2nd time visiting Bangkok after many years and this time I plan to stay around the Soi 23.

Have a few questions about the current prices of massage places regarding the full program.

I have checked online the prices of the aurora nuru massage and their standard program costs 2500 baht for 1 hour.

Does anyone know if this program includes sex and not just a HJ?

Also, can anyone recommend some decent massage places in the area with good looking girls, but with no more than 1800-2000 baht per hour for a sex program?

In Chiang Mai I usually bring girls at my hotel with 2000 baht for 2 hours.

It's a hostess club.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3025228]I haven't been to either place, but looking at their websites, they both look like disco clubs with table service.

No bar fining or rooms on site.

Can anyone confirm?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BiggieWallet;3025153]Like I mentioned in my previous post, I had 2 hours to have a 3 some pse.

I messaged cherry massage as suggested by punters on this forum, set up sometime and the mamasan recommended mind and keta because they can "work well together".

I was building up the experience in my head running all the different stuff I wanted to try.

Once I reached the place and saw the girls my heart sank. Mind was old but atleast well maintained. Keta was a mood killer.

I didn't show my disappointment because I hoped the experience could still be saved. I have to give it to the ladies for their enthusiasm and the level of commitment to the service they provide. I tried everything I wanted to but it was far from what I had imagined it would be..[/QUOTE]Hello,

I met Keta back in the days of Snow White Massage before COVID. Her nickname was Cherry.

I saw her again last year, still at Snow White Massage. She gave me an amazing deep throat.

I'm going back to Bangkok for a few days soon and I'll go see her. I know she's gotten bigger, but it doesn't matter. I prefer girls who are a little older but are very effective at making you come.

With Mind, did they do lesbian show?

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3022486]IMO all three women I saw at Wood Bar could take a facefucking, but ask for #4 (that's what she told me). She was superb, as was "Barbie" at Secret Kiss, which is a bit out of the way depending on where you are staying. Don't be shy; when the mamasan talks to you tell her what you want. The girls in the BJ bars know why they are there and are generally willing to do what it takes to get the job done.

The women in Snow White have a rep as being down for anything, and the girl I saw could take whatever I could give her in all three holes. Having said that, if BJs are your thing and you're not overly concerned with looks or decor, Wood Bar may be just what you're looking for.[/QUOTE]On the website for Snow White, it just says prices for massage services. Do you go in and negotiate better services on the spot with the girl of your choice?

In addition, if I may ask, what girl did you pick that was a three holer?

[QUOTE=Petitgillou;3025326]Hello,

I met Keta back in the days of Snow White Massage before COVID. Her nickname was Cherry.

I saw her again last year, still at Snow White Massage. She gave me an amazing deep throat.

I'm going back to Bangkok for a few days soon and I'll go see her. I know she's gotten bigger, but it doesn't matter. I prefer girls who are a little older but are very effective at making you come.

With Mind, did they do lesbian show?[/QUOTE]Yes they do. Keta went down on mind when I was getting a BJ. And both were making out and fingering when I was taking on one of them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3025167]Yeah, overall the looks at the PSE places can leave a lot to be desired. 15 years ago that wasn't the case, but it certainly is now. I've always found threesomes leave a lot to be desired.[/QUOTE]Pse places were stocked with Uglys back in 1999. I guess some things don't change.

Last night a Hottie that I like actually smiled at Me from on stage Rainbow 5. Quite Thrilling.

Context. . a Hottie I lust for at Bliss Walking Street just stares into Outer Space. Knowing I like her. Think I've wasted $15 on her.

[QUOTE=AnalKnight;3025372]On the website for Snow White, it just says prices for massage services. Do you go in and negotiate better services on the spot with the girl of your choice?

In addition, if I may ask, what girl did you pick that was a three holer?[/QUOTE]There is no negotiation. 90 percent of them are three holer. Payment is upfront at counter, the prices as mentioned, it includes everything (R) every thing. Even for 60 minute session, if you take, you can shoot your gun as many times as you can. Nothing can get better than this. Snow white, cherry and Tulip (as people say as not visited personally) are most service oriented with no hidden cost.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3025190]Nice report and thanks for TOFTT! I've passed there a few times but never saw anything worthwhile. Guess I'll have to stroll by again.[/QUOTE]Have a look at their Facebook, [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100083046293206&sk=reels_tab[/URL].

There are no posts, but a lot of reels that are recent and show the girls, including those from my session.

Also, at any time, half the girls or more are inside the air conditioned bar area, so I'd suggest it's always best to do a walk in to check the available talent there.

As to TOFTT, afterwards my assessment was that I had happily done so, and would do so again at the next opportunity.

Where are the best freelancer bars in Bangkok?

I know about Thermae Cafe, but are there any bars or clubs where I can pick up a freelancer without having to pay a bar fine?

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;3025260]It's a hostess club.[/QUOTE]What's a hostess club, I've never been?

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3025429]Pse places were stocked with Uglys back in 1999. I guess some things don't change.[/QUOTE]Everything changes. PSE places still have those same girls as in the early 2000's, only 15-20 years older.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;3025623]Everything changes. PSE places still have those same girls as in the early 2000's, only 15-20 years older.[/QUOTE]I'm older too. So no Hate please. I know they have a tough life.

I started coming to Thailand 23 years ago. Always go nana Rainbows. I barfined early back then what I'd consider 2 stars. Both are still working. One looks pretty good still. The other one not so much. Hahaha. She never has customers now and is Hard to look at.

According to my mathin Skillz they both might be in their 40's.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;3025623]Everything changes. PSE places still have those same girls as in the early 2000's, only 15-20 years older.[/QUOTE]Uglies are very light on at Eden, now known as Red Fern on Soi 7/1.

It doesn't look all that PSE from the outside, looks quite pedestrian with its bar at the front and lounge bar inside.

But I can assure you it was service wise.

Pretty full on actually, other that no hint that I could see of bareback being allowed.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3025429]Pse places were stocked with Uglys back in 1999. I guess some things don't change.

Last night a Hottie that I like actually smiled at Me from on stage Rainbow 5. Quite Thrilling.

Context. . a Hottie I lust for at Bliss Walking Street just stares into Outer Space. Knowing I like her. Think I've wasted $15 on her.[/QUOTE]First PSE place, Baron's wasn't even open in 1999. Nah, I beg to differ, early on there were lots of lookers at mango, snow white, and Cherry. I'd go in and ask about which girls didn't have kids, and usually it was at least 30% and sometimes 50%. It was often hard to choose.

Noone knows anything about the Aurora place that I asked about earlier?

Just wanted to make sure if the price includes full sex or not.

Rainbow 5.

Any one barfine number 935? White Skin, hard to tell if Siliconed up. I felt the upper portion of boob I still couldn't tell.

Good Face. Seems sweet like girl next door.

Not popular at all.

[QUOTE=XeniteMenos;3025735]Noone knows anything about the Aurora place that I asked about earlier?

Just wanted to make sure if the price includes full sex or not.[/QUOTE]The phone number on their site is a whatsapp number. The mamasan will tell you.

I arrived BKK last night. Thanks to all the replies to all on taxi from airport as my plane was 1 hour late so just grabbed taxi. Real easy. 400 BT to Four Points Sheraton by Thermae. Checked into hotel about 23:30 and went to Thermae midnight. Talent was ok but not great. Had a beer and walked around for about an hour. Only talked to 2 girls. One absolutely gorgeous but wanted 5000 and passed just on principle. Talked to another young spinner who was asking 4000 and I declined but then a few minutes later getting after 1 am she told me 3000. Service was good but not great. Marginal BBBJ and covered sex. No kissing. Would not repeat. Going for massage afternoon and Going to try's TF girl tonight. Four Points Sheraton definitely GF friendly.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;3025792]The phone number on their site is a whatsapp number. The mamasan will tell you.[/QUOTE]And what the Thai manager will reply to an online message is not what actually could happen in reality and that's why I prefer to get the opinion of members from here.

Or else why exchanging opinions here.

Came across a scammer in TF. Wanted me to transfer 500 baht for grab. I told her will add it to the total agreed amount. She insisted she doesn't have ANY cash with her (difficult to believe someone doesn't have even 200-300 baht with them). Told her I don't have online pay and will pay in cash to the driver when she reaches. She reluctantly agreed. The agreed time of meeting came and went with no response from her to my messages. Sigh!

[QUOTE=XeniteMenos;3025866]And what the Thai manager will reply to an online message is not what actually could happen in reality and that's why I prefer to get the opinion of members from here.

Or else why exchanging opinions here.[/QUOTE]Just get off your backside, put one foot in front of the other, repeat until you get to the shop, go in and ask for yourself.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;3025888]Came across a scammer in TF. Wanted me to transfer 500 baht for grab. I told her will add it to the total agreed amount. She insisted she doesn't have ANY cash with her (difficult to believe someone doesn't have even 200-300 baht with them). Told her I don't have online pay and will pay in cash to the driver when she reaches. She reluctantly agreed. The agreed time of meeting came and went with no response from her to my messages. Sigh![/QUOTE]There are scammers everywhere not just on TF, but if you aren't going to divulge the name or their TF name, then your story isn't really of any use to anyone, is it?

[QUOTE=Canada;3025797]I arrived BKK last night. Thanks to all the replies to all on taxi from airport as my plane was 1 hour late so just grabbed taxi. Real easy. 400 BT to Four Points Sheraton by Thermae. Checked into hotel about 23:30 and went to Thermae midnight. Talent was ok but not great. Had a beer and walked around for about an hour. Only talked to 2 girls. One absolutely gorgeous but wanted 5000 and passed just on principle. Talked to another young spinner who was asking 4000 and I declined but then a few minutes later getting after 1 am she told me 3000. Service was good but not great. Marginal BBBJ and covered sex. No kissing. Would not repeat. Going for massage afternoon and Going to try's TF girl tonight. Four Points Sheraton definitely GF friendly.[/QUOTE]Jesus how did you manage to walk around Thermae for an hour!! What's it, 20 steps per lap. I don't think I've ever lasted more than 10 minutes in there. A true man of stamina, dedication to the cause! Sure once I went early to get a seat to people watch only for two fatties to invade my space and basically push me off the chair!

Being serious though, a bit worrying about the prices you were quoted. It was around this time last year the last of them stopped quoting 2500 and went to the standard 3000. Hopefully it's not going to become an annual price hike event!

I mean this is a nice way, but as first timer, first night in BKK, did you stand out as a novice, do you think they were trying their luck with the prices?

[QUOTE=XeniteMenos;3025735]Noone knows anything about the Aurora place that I asked about earlier?

Just wanted to make sure if the price includes full sex or not.[/QUOTE]If it is over 2000 baht, probably. This is why sometimes we take one for the team.

[QUOTE=Canada;3025797]went to Thermae midnight. Talent was ok but not great. [/QUOTE]Midnight at Thermae are the leftover of the leftover. Once in a blue moon you may find a gem but there's a reason most guys go between 8:30 to 10 pm.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3025991]Midnight at Thermae are the leftover of the leftover. Once in a blue moon you may find a gem but there's a reason most guys go between 8:30 to 10 pm.[/QUOTE]Holy crikey, is why I always thought Thermae was way overrated? I used to wander in there after my 1st session ended and I was looking around for #2 which I always found, but not usually in Thermae.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3025991]Midnight at Thermae are the leftover of the leftover. Once in a blue moon you may find a gem but there's a reason most guys go between 8:30 to 10 pm.[/QUOTE]Miss the days it used to stay open until 6:00 am And wouldn't really get going until well after 11. When the GoGos and Nana Disco would close at 2:00 am Would be flooded with gals.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;3025888]Came across a scammer in TF. Wanted me to transfer 500 baht for grab. I told her will add it to the total agreed amount. She insisted she doesn't have ANY cash with her (difficult to believe someone doesn't have even 200-300 baht with them). Told her I don't have online pay and will pay in cash to the driver when she reaches. She reluctantly agreed. The agreed time of meeting came and went with no response from her to my messages. Sigh![/QUOTE]There are scams all over the place. I've seen TF girls ask for money in advance to buy petrol for the car so they can drive to see you.

But they're not all like that. Made an arrangement for a TF girl to visit me at my apartment in Hua Hin. When I met her outside the apartment she said she had no money to pay the taxi fare, so I gave her 100 b. When I paid her the agreed amount after the session she tried to give me the 100 b taxi fare back.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3026051]Miss the days it used to stay open until 6:00 am And wouldn't really get going until well after 11. When the GoGos and Nana Disco would close at 2:00 am Would be flooded with gals.[/QUOTE]I fondly remember those long gone days as well when the girls used to be fun. I don't know, but the vibe in Thermae today reminds me of an Asian version of "American Grafitti" without the cars. I am just not a fan, but I will take an earlier look see (ala BB) to see if I am missing anything.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3025991]Midnight at Thermae are the leftover of the leftover. Once in a blue moon you may find a gem but there's a reason most guys go between 8:30 to 10 pm.[/QUOTE]I would counter argue that's quite a subjective point and a bit of a urban myth. I generally head in coming up to closing time if I haven't clicked on TF etc, any time I've been in there is always 50-100 girls left and if you can't find enough t choose from to fit you tastes, then god help you. At midnight even, many who were picked up at 8 to 10 will be back for a 2nd round too.

My own experience is they don't necessarily drop their price around closing time, but they do realize their chances of getting picked from the crowd is diminishing, so they tend to be 'very appreciative' of being picked out.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3025778]Rainbow 5.

Any one barfine number 935? White Skin, hard to tell if Siliconed up. I felt the upper portion of boob I still couldn't tell.

Good Face. Seems sweet like girl next door.

Not popular at all.[/QUOTE]Just saw her. Cute but doesn't stand out. Seems aloof. I'm guessing she has natural big milk (but not too big). Didn't buy her a drink.

[QUOTE=Allover;3026145]Just saw her. Cute but doesn't stand out. Seems aloof. I'm guessing she has natural big milk (but not too big). Didn't buy her a drink.[/QUOTE]Accurate Description. I like Her.

I think you need to show interest in this one before she comes around. Not one that that will Pursue you. I got a big Smile last night.

Those Tiddies are just big enough to raise red flags. Tonight I might ask if I can Squueze them.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3026061]I fondly remember those long gone days as well when the girls used to be fun. I don't know, but the vibe in Thermae today reminds me of an Asian version of "American Grafitti" without the cars. I am just not a fan, but I will take an earlier look see (ala BB) to see if I am missing anything.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it was a party every night. Gals drinking and dancing by the jukebox, walking around grabbing guys units. Now they just stand and wait to be approached. It's a snooze fest. I pop in once or twice a year to say Hi to the waiters I've known for 25 years but wouldn't even consider a pull.

One of my fondest experiences was a pull I made when there was a short time hotel behind Clinton plaza. Gala had never seen before walked by me grabbed my junk and said go with you, so we headed over to the hotel in the minute the door closed went right at it. Had a very intense session, rinsed off, headed out, and as we were walking towards Sukhumvit exchanged names. That was Thermae.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3025953]Jesus how did you manage to walk around Thermae for an hour!! What's it, 20 steps per lap. I don't think I've ever lasted more than 10 minutes in there. A true man of stamina, dedication to the cause! Sure once I went early to get a seat to people watch only for two fatties to invade my space and basically push me off the chair!

Being serious though, a bit worrying about the prices you were quoted. It was around this time last year the last of them stopped quoting 2500 and went to the standard 3000. Hopefully it's not going to become an annual price hike event!

I mean this is a nice way, but as first timer, first night in BKK, did you stand out as a novice, do you think they were trying their luck with the prices?[/QUOTE]Even at 2,500-3,000 that price still seems very high. I was in Thermae about 1. 5 years ago and I took out a girl for 1,500. She first quoted me 2,000, and I said how about 1,500 and she agreed.

Have prices jumped in the last 1-1.5 years? Or did I just not talk to enough girls to see what the average going rate was at the time? From what I remember, when I asked the other girls they were about the same, I think some might have asked for 2,500-3,000 but I'm pretty sure you could have knocked it down to 2,000 easily.

[QUOTE=BadDances;3025962]If it is over 2000 baht, probably. This is why sometimes we take one for the team.[/QUOTE]Yes, you get FS at Aurora on Soi 33.

But always ask up front to be sure, if they think you're a rookie or green they might try and ask for more for boom boom in the room. It's never happened to me, but I would still ask up front.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3026174]Yeah, it was a party every night. Gals drinking and dancing by the jukebox, walking around grabbing guys units. Now they just stand and wait to be approached. It's a snooze fest. I pop in once or twice a year to say Hi to the waiters I've known for 25 years but wouldn't even consider a pull.

One of my fondest experiences was a pull I made when there was a short time hotel behind Clinton plaza. Gala had never seen before walked by me grabbed my junk and said go with you, so we headed over to the hotel in the minute the door closed went right at it. Had a very intense session, rinsed off, headed out, and as we were walking towards Sukhumvit exchanged names. That was Thermae.[/QUOTE]I noticed that about a year ago when I walked into Thermae. The security got mad because I didn't go directly to get my drink and the girls stood around like mannequins as I walked by like a rafter in in infinite pool at the water slide park.

So where else can I go now that still has some spark?

Are there any good bars where freelancers hang out?

Where do all the Gogo girls go after they get off?

I'll be there at the end of this month or early October.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3025991]Midnight at Thermae are the leftover of the leftover. Once in a blue moon you may find a gem but there's a reason most guys go between 8:30 to 10 pm.[/QUOTE]There is plenty of talent left late on. Many have been ST once already, but if you can look beyond that, there are so many good looking girls left.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3025953]Jesus how did you manage to walk around Thermae for an hour!! What's it, 20 steps per lap. I don't think I've ever lasted more than 10 minutes in there. A true man of stamina, dedication to the cause! Sure once I went early to get a seat to people watch only for two fatties to invade my space and basically push me off the chair!

Being serious though, a bit worrying about the prices you were quoted. It was around this time last year the last of them stopped quoting 2500 and went to the standard 3000. Hopefully it's not going to become an annual price hike event!

I mean this is a nice way, but as first timer, first night in BKK, did you stand out as a novice, do you think they were trying their luck with the prices?[/QUOTE]Actually got a chair in the back for about 30 minutes so didn't have to walk in circles. Probably did stand out as a novice but I have a habit of going for the stunners and I am not sure that is the best approach in Thermae. There were 3 or 4 that were 7's not 9's that were super friendly that probably would have been a better choice. Went back yesterday earlier but didn't really see anything I liked and a TF girl wanted to come over so I called her. Was quoted 2500 for BBBJ and covered FS. When she got to my room and she started with BJ she said she would do BBFS for 1000 extra. I said 500 and she agreed. Then said she would do anal for another 1000. Just went for the 3000 BBFS CIP. Girl was 25 years old probably 7-8 in looks great attitude and service was good.

Yesterday evening I walked past Maison hotel in hopes of seeing some of the Stans there but there were only 3 or older ugly choices. Don't think they were from the stans. Is there a particular time or day that you can locate them. I spent a lot of time in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan so would kind of like to find one for old times sake.

Looks like Father Time has Konked our School Girl with a broomstick a few times over.

[QUOTE=Canada;3026200]Yesterday evening I walked past Maison hotel in hopes of seeing some of the Stans there but there were only 3 or older ugly choices. Don't think they were from the stans. Is there a particular time or day that you can locate them. I spent a lot of time in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan so would kind of like to find one for old times sake.[/QUOTE]Nobody is out at any particular time thanks to the recent high LE activity on the foreign workers. This affects the Viets, the "Stans" and the Africans, so it is luck of the draw. That being said, if you would have been out around 11 pm last night, you would have seen the super skinny slim girl with her hair done up in very cute Sailor Moon pigtails. There were also two dumpy body Uzbek girls sitting on the upper curb (neither of which would be appetizing enough for my taste). From updates on WhatsApp, I know one superstar who is back home resting from her most recent 90-day visa. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3026187]Even at 2,500-3,000 that price still seems very high. I was in Thermae about 1. 5 years ago and I took out a girl for 1,500. She first quoted me 2,000, and I said how about 1,500 and she agreed.

Have prices jumped in the last 1-1.5 years? Or did I just not talk to enough girls to see what the average going rate was at the time? From what I remember, when I asked the other girls they were about the same, I think some might have asked for 2,500-3,000 but I'm pretty sure you could have knocked it down to 2,000 easily.[/QUOTE]Since around this time last year, I believe the general consensus is (and from my own experience) is that they have started at 3,000. It's up to you to decide if you want to try and haggle or not. Personally I don't bother over 500 baht etc, if I like the girl and get a good feeling, I'll take the punt at 3 k.

TF is still my number one choice for late night, while you can get quoted 3 k plus, it's easy to get real go'ers for cheaper and for free (well, taxi fares, bit of food etc).

[QUOTE=Canada;3026198]Actually got a chair in the back for about 30 minutes so didn't have to walk in circles. Probably did stand out as a novice but I have a habit of going for the stunners and I am not sure that is the best approach in Thermae. There were 3 or 4 that were 7's not 9's that were super friendly that probably would have been a better choice. Went back yesterday earlier but didn't really see anything I liked and a TF girl wanted to come over so I called her. Was quoted 2500 for BBBJ and covered FS. When she got to my room and she started with BJ she said she would do BBFS for 1000 extra. I said 500 and she agreed. Then said she would do anal for another 1000. Just went for the 3000 BBFS CIP. Girl was 25 years old probably 7-8 in looks great attitude and service was good.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the first time I was in BKK I thought TF was too much effort, hassle etc but then it all clicked like a jigsaw into place and I find it brilliant now, keep at it for a few days and it becomes somewhat easy to spot the one's that just like a bit of fun and good sex and aren't necessarily after money. I only go to Thermae if it's late and a slow night on TF.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3026174]One of my fondest experiences was a pull I made when there was a short time hotel behind Clinton plaza. Gala had never seen before walked by me grabbed my junk and said go with you, so we headed over to the hotel in the minute the door closed went right at it. Had a very intense session, rinsed off, headed out, and as we were walking towards Sukhumvit exchanged names. That was Thermae.[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha. Classic!

As with Groatscrot, I haven't been in the Thermae for what seems like forever; maybe 30 years? 35 years? First time was in about 1987, in a period of time when I stayed in the Sukhumvit Wing of the Ambassador Hotel.

In those days, there was not a club scene as big and as diverse as now. Freelance venues were often discos and restaurants in many hotels. The Ambassador had a disco in the basement of the main building and a huge restaurant that was located on Sukhumvit. In the daytime, the restaurant had a great buffet that catered to a lot of office workers and Thai families on the weekends at lunch time. At night, the restaurant's table were occupied by dozens of nicely / politely dressed freelancers in small groups or alone; rotating musical groups and singers provided entertainment. Full dinner menu was available. It was known as the Bangkopi Lounge.

It was at the Bangkopi Lounge that I was invited to join some dudes at table. They were middle eastern types in town for biz. I was asked if I knew about the Thermae. I said "no" and one of the guys offered to guide me there.

Entrance to the Thermae in those days was at the rear of the building. You had to walk a dark alleyway from Sukhumvit. A bit intimidating the first time. LOL The back area was brightly lit; restrooms were there and you would get an idea of what was inside. Down a flight of stairs and you were there. It felt like I'd entered some joint seen in the movie Blade Runner. Almost surreal. I almost thought I would meet Rutger Hauer in there. LOL I only went there maybe 5 times over the years, as I preferred the go go bars on Cowboy. I can only remember pulling any chick there one time.

Aside from the Ambassador Hotel, you could often find me in the disco at the Nana Hotel if I hadn't already rescued some damsel from Cowboy. Angels, Love Club, et al. Was a disco on the first floor that was routinely packed with freelancers and got really busy after hours and the chicks from Nana Plaza could come over for one last chance to score. There was a real assortment of office / store-shop girls (semi-pros), full time freelancers, and dancers from the bars. When I stayed at the Nana Hotel, I would be there at least twice per week.

Another hotel freelancer venue I went to a few times was the basement restaurant / bar at the Grace Hotel. Even in the 80's it was popularized by Middle Easterners. It was one of the few places that had freelancers available in the afternoons. I took advantage of that (over a massage at Annies) a few times. Evenings in the Grace basement were always busy and had tons of flesh on the hunt.

Aside from streetwalkers, I guess the dance clubs are the venues now.

Sam.

Went to Thermae about 8:30 last night. Got a stool in the middle as it was not crowded. About 9:00 got real busy. 2 girls sitting beside me. Both were 7's at best. Asian guy comes up to her and asks her how much. She puts 10 fingers up and says 10,000. He says 8000 and she leaves with him. 5 minutes later a white guy comes to the other girl. She says 4000. He says 3000 and she leaves with him. I can see why these girls are holding out for the Asians. Quality was marginal last night but I picked out 3 that were 8's in my taste. At about 9:15 went for my first choice and she quoted 4000. I said 3000 and she asked where I lived. When I told her 4 Points she agreed to the 3000. Service was good but I have had 2 Thermae girls and 3 TF girls this week and I have had better experiences with TF.

On another note yesterday I was walking to Starbucks in the afternoon and a block away 3 cute girls asked where I was going. I said Starbucks and they said they were going there too. They asked if I would buy them a coffee. I offered to and they actually had a friend in Starbucks already so I bought 4 coffees. One was absolutely gorgeous and other 3 were great. They said all were from Philippines. The gorgeous one was a model and showed me her modeling pics on her phone. She wanted to go home with me and asked for 10,000. I said no way I was going to pay that and she offered her friends for 5000. I passed. I think they need to find the Asians who possibly would pay that.

They are all staying in one room with 3 single beds at the Grand hotel so they can't be doing that great here.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3025951]There are scammers everywhere not just on TF, but if you aren't going to divulge the name or their TF name, then your story isn't really of any use to anyone, is it?[/QUOTE]She responded next day and apologised for not replying earlier, I thought to give her a chance and did end up meeting her, but it was an underwhelming experience. Looks wise she was quite average for 3000 baht that she had asked (including grab fare of 500). I have banged better ones at 2000-2500 baht in Bangkok.

Not sharing her ID or name as she is not a scammer, but her photo is deceptive. Wearing a swimsuit and winking with specs. Looks quite good in that photo.

What is the standard TF rate in Bangkok? Most girls are starting with 3000 baht. If I ask to reduce, they ask for a video call and then accept the lower rate, while many others just stop replying or just say "bye" LOL.

I have had much better luck in Pattaya where girls will start at 2000 and happily come down to 1500 without much hassle.

Anyone try the new Erotica Barber and massage shop on soi 11, haircut and a blow job, sounds interesting and fun.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3026188]Yes, you get FS at Aurora on Soi 33.[/QUOTE]Beware the post-op ladyboys disguised as real women in that shithole shop.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;3026345]What is the standard TF rate in Bangkok? Most girls are starting with 3000 baht. If I ask to reduce, they ask for a video call and then accept the lower rate, while many others just stop replying or just say "bye" LOL.

I have had much better luck in Pattaya where girls will start at 2000 and happily come down to 1500 without much hassle.[/QUOTE]Limited sample size, however. 1500 for both Pattaya and Bangkok is normally par for the course. Generally, these are the 18-26 year old 6-8 in looks. Now, if you're talking 9 / 10's then it could be 2000-3000 Baht.

I've been batting 500 on TF, half of the time they are close enough to their profile / photos not to make a difference. The other half of the time they are 5 / 5 and even 10/10 (older / kilos heavier).

BTW, if you're not into gambling. It's best to get their LINE / WeChat and do a video call to verify what you're getting.

Also, in Pattaya the 1500 Baht normally covers everything. In BKK you'll often get asked for taxi money in addition to the service fee. I've paid up to 700 Baht for taxi fare (raining so a 60 baht motorbike ride isn't possible and Grab cab being the only reasonable option. This was after verifying I'm getting what was advertised.

Have not been scammed after the LINE verification call and sending them taxi fare upfront (again, small sample size).

Beware of FIWFAN, a few girls ask for 1000 Baht travel expenses upfront.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3026366]Beware the post-op ladyboys disguised as real women in that shithole shop.[/QUOTE]Impossible, these shops do thorough checks and would never allow a LB, this would ruin their reputation.

What evidence do you have for writing this nonsense?

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;3026344]She responded next day and apologised for not replying earlier, I thought to give her a chance and did end up meeting her, but it was an underwhelming experience. Looks wise she was quite average for 3000 baht that she had asked (including grab fare of 500). I have banged better ones at 2000-2500 baht in Bangkok.

Not sharing her ID or name as she is not a scammer, but her photo is deceptive. Wearing a swimsuit and winking with specs. Looks quite good in that photo.[/QUOTE]I have messaged with about 20 TF girls this week. All quotes were 2000 to 3000. Only 2 quoted 2000. Majority quoted 2500 and about 1/3 quoted 3000. I have met 4 of them with good results. I had one yesterday that was supposed to meet at 2:00 pm and she delayed until 3:30. I waited until 4:30 and she was a no show. All girls were similar to their photos. Some a few pounds heavier but mostly accurate All 4 did BBBJ and 3 of them said BBFS was extra. All 3 different. 500,1000, 1500 so probably average of 1000 for BBFS. One did not want CIP. Service on all four was a little better than the 2 girls I took from Thermae although the Thermae girls were stunners.

Spent some time at Nana last night. Wound up barfining #59 from Lollipop at about 1 AM. Lineup was weak at Lollipop especially at that time. Pick your girls way before that late in any go go to have a better selection. My girl spoke pretty good English, performed as directed. Some baby damage though. Bar fine was B1000 and B2500 to girl. She initially asked for B3000 but came down in price due to the late hour (and my handsomeness). Other thoughts: Angelwitch selection is dreadful, Spanky's is still great fun. UglyAzzMan's #395 is really cute and grows on you the more you look at her. I still didn't buy her a drink. Red Dragon had by far the best looking girls of the places I visited but the girls down those tiny shot glasses in a second and ask for more in a short period of time. The atmosphere there is 9 top notch to go along with the top girls. I usually avoid these places.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3026481]Impossible, these shops do thorough checks and would never allow a LB, this would ruin their reputation.

What evidence do you have for writing this nonsense?[/QUOTE]I've been there and mistakenly chose one of these assholes and I'm 100% confident she was an LB, and everybody in the shop knows it.

She was probably not the only one.

I was thinking exactly the way you're thinking now, that's why I was not really careful when I chose her in the line up.

Look at their google reviews, I'm not the only one saying so.

I wrote a report at that time in the places to avoid thread, if you want to have a closer look on the evidence.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3026481]Impossible, these shops do thorough checks and would never allow a LB, this would ruin their reputation.

What evidence do you have for writing this nonsense?[/QUOTE]While I won't say it's absolutely impossible, Paolo posts the same statement every few months. If you have been reading the forum for a while you learn to ignore his comments as unsubstantiated.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;3026345]What is the standard TF rate in Bangkok? Most girls are starting with 3000 baht. If I ask to reduce, they ask for a video call and then accept the lower rate, while many others just stop replying or just say "bye" LOL.

I have had much better luck in Pattaya where girls will start at 2000 and happily come down to 1500 without much hassle.[/QUOTE]What I have realized is that there is no standard rate.

Even in Chiang Mai, which is a smaller city the prices all over the place.

From 2 k for ST up to 5 k, depending on the girl.

And I am not talking for older girls over 30 yo.

It all depends on how much the girl needs the money and how fast.

Yes I agree with you. Most of the young ladies ask about 2000 + 500/1000 for bareback!

[QUOTE=Canada;3026487]I have messaged with about 20 TF girls this week. All quotes were 2000 to 3000. Only 2 quoted 2000. Majority quoted 2500 and about 1/3 quoted 3000. I have met 4 of them with good results. I had one yesterday that was supposed to meet at 2:00 pm and she delayed until 3:30. I waited until 4:30 and she was a no show. All girls were similar to their photos. Some a few pounds heavier but mostly accurate All 4 did BBBJ and 3 of them said BBFS was extra. All 3 different. 500,1000, 1500 so probably average of 1000 for BBFS. One did not want CIP. Service on all four was a little better than the 2 girls I took from Thermae although the Thermae girls were stunners.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;3026312] Asian guy comes up to her and asks her how much. She puts 10 fingers up and says 10,000. He says 8000 and she leaves with him. [/QUOTE]2 k off for haggling. What a result.

[QUOTE=RacShack;3026351]Anyone try the new Erotica Barber and massage shop on soi 11, haircut and a blow job, sounds interesting and fun.[/QUOTE]The website doesn't seem to even hint at options like that but I may go when I arrive next week to get a mani for activities.

[QUOTE=BadDances;3026653]The website doesn't seem to even hint at options like that but I may go when I arrive next week to get a mani for activities.[/QUOTE]There will be a queue of us down the Soi all looking for a 'haircut' wink wink and we'll all leave disappointed with no 'extras' given. Haha.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3026545]While I won't say it's absolutely impossible, Paolo posts the same statement every few months. If you have been reading the forum for a while you learn to ignore his comments as unsubstantiated.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Understand.

I come from time to time but no longer post my reports here, not worth it in my opinion, there are other places better for me to post.

[QUOTE=RacShack;3026351]Anyone try the new Erotica Barber and massage shop on soi 11, haircut and a blow job, sounds interesting and fun.[/QUOTE]I have no issues with getting a hair cut or a blow job, but believe they should be kept separate.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3026918]I have no issues with getting a hair cut or a blow job, but believe they should be kept separate.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it can lead to confusion. Before you know it your hair is blown and your dick is cut.

Tried 7 Heavan and Lotlitas. Both were ok, but nothing special. I also tried a NURU place I just walked by. Beautiful smaller woman, who was almost too tight to make things work. They all got the job done, but wasn't the wild experience I had anticipated.

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;3027273]Tried 7 Heavan and Lotlitas. Both were ok, but nothing special. I also tried a NURU place I just walked by. Beautiful smaller woman, who was almost too tight to make things work. They all got the job done, but wasn't the wild experience I had anticipated.[/QUOTE]Did you expect the women would be jumping up and down, running in circles, and blowing air horns?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3027293]Did you expect the women would be jumping up and down, running in circles, and blowing air horns?[/QUOTE]Personally I'd settle for somebody who showed a bit of enthusiasm, which wasn't evident the last time I had a double blowjob at 7th Heaven.

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;3027273]Tried 7 Heavan and Lotlitas. Both were ok, but nothing special. I also tried a NURU place I just walked by. Beautiful smaller woman, who was almost too tight to make things work. They all got the job done, but wasn't the wild experience I had anticipated.[/QUOTE]I remember the first time I went to 7 Heaven some years ago. I had been to thailand many times before but for some reason I had never tried BJ bars. Idk, it was never my thing I guess.

I was expecting a straightforward 45 minutes BJ in a tiny room, yet the mamasan had asked me if I wanted the full service and I said yes. I know it's a rookie mistake and I should have just asked for a standard BJ but I was kinda drunk and didn't think things through in the moment.

The girl -who was 6/10 at most- took me to a room, took a shower with me and washed my dick and asshole quite thoroughly. After that, I had my first rimjob. Oh man, I was extremely surprised and delighted with the experience. It turned out to be one of the most memorable experiences of my mongering life. Over the following years I have been to many other BJ bars and massage parlors and had similar services but I could never forget the first one. 7 Heaven has a special place in my heart.

Long story short, lower your expectations The best memories I had collected over the years have always been the ones where I expected too little or had little to no idea at all.

[QUOTE=OpenSource;3027365]I was expecting a straightforward 45 minutes BJ in a tiny room, yet the mamasan had asked me if I wanted the full service and I said yes.[/QUOTE]I've only been to 7-Heaven one time and mamasan told me that no full service was available. The girl I selected (from the iPad) was about an 8/10 and she told me no full service when I met her and then repeated that in the room. I couldn't finish from her BJ, so I went across Sukhumvit to Soi 24 where I was fully satisfied. I've gotten full service from far less attractive girls at Lolita's, Kasalong, and a couple of the BJ places on Soi 7/1.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3027366]I've only been to 7-Heaven one time and mamasan told me that no full service was available. The girl I selected (from the iPad) was about an 8/10 and she told me no full service when I met her and then repeated that in the room. I couldn't finish from her BJ, so I went across Sukhumvit to Soi 24 where I was fully satisfied. I've gotten full service from far less attractive girls at Lolita's, Kasalong, and a couple of the BJ places on Soi 7/1.[/QUOTE]When I went to 7 Heaven they were clear at the desk no FS. But in the room it's whatever you negotiate. I just stayed with BJ but my buddy got Full service and they weren't too shy. You could hear them going at it. So I think it's ymmv.

Unless if you get also anal during sex, it's wrong to describe the sex visits as "full service".

And I really doubt that all these cases that are described here as "full service" programs include anal.

[QUOTE=XeniteMenos;3027445]Unless if you get also anal during sex, it's wrong to describe the sex visits as "full service".[/QUOTE]It’s just nomenclature, but I disagree, anal is more of a special fetish. To me, the only firm requirement to be called full service is vaginal sex. We all want more from our full service encounters and we usually get it, but it is still full service without any of the trimmings that we might want (BJ, kissing, DATY, anal, etc.).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3027366]I've gotten full service from far less attractive girls at Lolita's, Kasalong, and a couple of the BJ places on Soi 7/1.[/QUOTE]I normally stay at Adelphi suites and often have a drink or meal at the small restaurant opposite Lolita's. Far less attractive is as good as it gets there.

[QUOTE=Canada;3026312]
On another note yesterday I was walking to Starbucks in the afternoon and a block away 3 cute girls asked where I was going. I said Starbucks and they said they were going there too. They asked if I would buy them a coffee. I offered to and they actually had a friend in Starbucks already so I bought 4 coffees. One was absolutely gorgeous and other 3 were great. They said all were from Philippines. The gorgeous one was a model and showed me her modeling pics on her phone. She wanted to go home with me and asked for 10,000. I said no way I was going to pay that and she offered her friends for 5000. I passed. I think they need to find the Asians who possibly would pay that.

They are all staying in one room with 3 single beds at the Grand hotel so they can't be doing that great here.[/QUOTE]LOL. Reminds me of a mixed philippina / Brazil girl on tf last year. Supposedly also a model, living in Taiwan, and in Bangkok for some photos. Admittedly, she was hot enough for it to maybe be true. I messaged her on thaifriendly while in the gym, and she quoted some crazy price. I responded with my usual 1500, not thinking she'd respond with anything polite, but I didn't care either. In the end she agreed to 2,000. Finished gym and did the 20 minute walk to her hotel where I banged one of the better looking girls of that summer for me.

She told me Bangkok sucked and she wasn't getting any customers, except me, plus she was annoyed I came in her mouth, which her customers in Taiwan apparently didn't do. I told her nobody here is interested in paying her whatever it was she said she usually got in Taiwan, and with her not having many customers here, it made me suspect many people didn't bother to counter-offer her anything after hearing her price. Then she squatted on top of the western toilet to pee while I was showering after I'd finished banging her.

Should have offered her 1500. Depending on whether reality had set in yet or not, who knows what would have happened.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3027514]LOL. Reminds me of a mixed philippina / Brazil girl on tf last year. Supposedly also a model, living in Taiwan, and in Bangkok for some photos. Admittedly, she was hot enough for it to maybe be true. I messaged her on thaifriendly while in the gym, and she quoted some crazy price. I responded with my usual 1500, not thinking she'd respond with anything polite, but I didn't care either. In the end she agreed to 2,000. Finished gym and did the 20 minute walk to her hotel where I banged one of the better looking girls of that summer for me.

She told me Bangkok sucked and she wasn't getting any customers, except me, plus she was annoyed I came in her mouth, which her customers in Taiwan apparently didn't do. I told her nobody here is interested in paying her whatever it was she said she usually got in Taiwan, and with her not having many customers here, it made me suspect many people didn't bother to counter-offer her anything after hearing her price. Then she squatted on top of the western toilet to pee while I was showering after I'd finished banging her.

Should have offered her 1500. Depending on whether reality had set in yet or not, who knows what would have happened.[/QUOTE]Over value one self is common in the industry.

In 2007 I had a conference in Pak Chong, not so far from Bangkok, I went to a traditional Thai Massage in this town / village. The woman did not understand a single word of English, but her traditional massage was incredible. From this moment, I realised that traditional massages can be either standard or mediocre, but with good luck, you can find highlights.

I indicated to her what about sex? She nervously left the room, and the manager tried to send me another woman.

Of course, I refused the other woman, and the good girl returned. I regret never having written down her number and name. I returned to her a few days later.

I can not forget her professional traditional massage. She looked like a beautiful young and slim Chinese.

So my Question, I will return to Bangkok in December. Does somebody know a place / name for good, exceptional traditional massage?

I will be with my young son and daughter (18), so I do not want to enter any walking street / girly bar areas.

Thanks.

. auro.

[QUOTE=JohnAuro;3027630]I will return to Bangkok in December. Does somebody know a place / name for good, exceptional traditional massage?[/QUOTE]There are 6 massage shops on every corner. What is good or exceptional for other people may not be good or exceptional to you. You just have to walk in and try the shop and in particular the person out.

Hi, I'm making a last minute trip to Thailand for a week the first week of October. I haven't had much time to research but I was hoping someone could recommend me some safe hotels to stay at. How do I avoid the ladyboys and how / where are the best spots to pick up women. Price ranges I should be aware to avoid getting ripped off? Anything else that would be helpful to know while there is appreciated! DMs are also open.

I used to get Dick and Balls shaving either in Nana barber shop or shop down in Soi 19. When I checked at the end of last year Soi 19 shop was not there. Does anyone know Nana barber shop still offer Dick and Balls shaving? Does anyone know any other place offer this service.

[QUOTE=ShaneFtzw21;3027637]Hi, I'm making a last minute trip to Thailand for a week the first week of October. I haven't had much time to research but I was hoping someone could recommend me some safe hotels to stay at. How do I avoid the ladyboys and how / where are the best spots to pick up women. Price ranges I should be aware to avoid getting ripped off? Anything else that would be helpful to know while there is appreciated! DMs are also open.[/QUOTE]It's questions like yours that make people not want to do a report. Why don't you read The Forum? I'll be posting a report maybe tomorrow or maybe the next day about last weekend in Bangkok. Maybe I'll do it before you come maybe I won't since apparently you won't read it.

Hi, you can try any branches of Let's Relax or any massage parlor where it's written Health Massage.

[QUOTE=JohnAuro;3027630]In 2007 I had a conference in Pak Chong, not so far from Bangkok, I went to a traditional Thai Massage in this town / village. The woman did not understand a single word of English, but her traditional massage was incredible. From this moment, I realised that traditional massages can be either standard or mediocre, but with good luck, you can find highlights.

I indicated to her what about sex? She nervously left the room, and the manager tried to send me another woman.

Of course, I refused the other woman, and the good girl returned. I regret never having written down her number and name. I returned to her a few days later.

I can not forget her professional traditional massage. She looked like a beautiful young and slim Chinese.

So my Question, I will return to Bangkok in December. Does somebody know a place / name for good, exceptional traditional massage?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3027680]It's questions like yours that make people not want to do a report. Why don't you read The Forum? I'll be posting a report maybe tomorrow or maybe the next day about last weekend in Bangkok. Maybe I'll do it before you come maybe I won't since apparently you won't read it.[/QUOTE]Perfect response. If Nyehov had not been so patient with you he might have said RTFF! 😀 And there is a bunch of other fellows here that will tell you to RTFF in a very gruff form.

[QUOTE=XeniteMenos;3027445]Unless if you get also anal during sex, it's wrong to describe the sex visits as "full service".[/QUOTE]This is just wrong. Full service is pretty much universally understood to mean vaginal sex, as opposed to only HJ or BJ. If you expect anal from any escort offering "full service" you are going to be extremely disappointed a lot of the time.

I don't see eThai posting any longer so for guys who have recently been to T-Ded, what time does it get busy with girls? Are there lots of girls there when it opens at 7 pm?

Is it really packed with guys after 10 or 11 pm (ie after I'm done with a Thermae girl)?

[QUOTE=ShaneFtzw21;3027637]Safe hotels? How to avoid ladyboys? Best spots to pick up women? Price ranges?[/QUOTE]I'm going to join the chorus of guys who urged Khun Shane to do his own homework. Here's a technique, which I think works pretty well:

Start a new document to record useful information. If you read the forum on a personal computer do this using a word processing program. If you access the forum on your phone, use an app like Notes on the iPhone or Simplenote on Android devices.

The forums devoted to Thailand have self-explanatory titles, like "Bangkok Reports" and "Bangkok Hotels." Go back at least a year and read forward. This sounds onerous, but it's not. Yesterday I did this on another site for another destination. I whipped through 18 months of traffic in 90 minutes.

When you find a helpful tidbit, add it to your list. You can cut and paste text or paraphrase. You can also use the post # to copy the URL for that specific post. Doing this using word processing software or a notes app allows you to organize what you learn. Travel tips. Where to lodge. Good places to eat. The current state of play for naughty boys.

If you read about a hotel, restaurant, go-go, massage place or whatever that sounds good, look it up on Google Maps or Bing maps. This will give you the lay of the land. Often, the establishment will have its own web site. Add the URLs to your list.

On the flight over, review your list. Review it again when you get to your hotel. Have at least a rough plan before you go out on the town.

Speaking strictly for me, I rather enjoy this process. When it's cold and dark in Farangland and I'm cooped up inside, keeping up with the latest reports and updating my list is like a virtual holiday. And when I finally arrive I make the best use of my time on the ground.

[QUOTE=ShaneFtzw21;3027637]Hi, I'm making a last minute trip to Thailand for a week the first week of October. I haven't had much time to research but I was hoping someone could recommend me some safe hotels to stay at. How do I avoid the ladyboys and how / where are the best spots to pick up women. Price ranges I should be aware to avoid getting ripped off? Anything else that would be helpful to know while there is appreciated! DMs are also open.[/QUOTE]When you say 'safe' hotels, do you mean won't collapse if there is another earthquake?

Re price, I think you should start at maybe 10,000 thb for ST, if you ask the barmen in Thermae to make an announcement for you that you have 10 k to offer, you may have to go up to 15-20 k but you'll get some takers.

I had a layover in Bangkok. Here's the report:

Saturday night, horrible Talent at the blowjob bars that does not include the ones outside of Nana. The ones on 7/1 or particularly horrific. I walked into red fern and fled an absolute horror and Terror.

The Maison stroll was packed at 8:00 pm On Saturday night dead at 11:00 pm And then re-upped at 1:00 am I wonder if the cops made a sweep. In any event, there were some average looking girls there, nothing spectacular, one Iranian girl that looked like Margaret Hamilton in The Wizard of Oz, and a fatty blonde Beast that was also non-Asian. The African girls were universally disgusting, they were in their usual spot near the hotel and along the corner before the police booth when the stores closed. They also were walking in pairs as usual.

Spotted in the wild, a pair of blondes walking up sukunwit and down. I didn't get a chance to make eye contact but they were strolling.

School girl was looking hard and beat up. Billboard was very mediocre and I only recognized one girl there who has changed her hair color and put on some weight. Rainbow three was dead as was rainbow five and rainbow four. The club in the very corner of the second floor where you had to climb the stairs and I just forgot the name but that was closed. Twister had some decent talent, probably the best in the whole complex. Overall, it was definitely a low season in terms of decent looking girls.

Thermae was full of girls, and I only recognized about eight or nine from my last visit there 6 months ago. Even the ones I recognized had put on weight or change their hair color. There were no girls that stood out to me, although clearly there were a lot of attractive girls, mostly of the Girl Next Door variety. But when you think about it, you can make up 50% of the girls in the club change their hairstyles make them look a little sluttier and they could dance in a Go-Go.

There was some very attractive girls on the street interspersed with the lady boys, a few of which were very attractive for lady boys. I grabbed a girl outside of Thermae that I had seen in the past and she was excellent. Interestingly enough, this girl had asked me for 6000 baht in the past, and then when I spied her and gave her a wink and talk to her this time, she asked me for 5000. I laughed at her and politely walked away, later, when I was ripping on my hitter, she grabbed me and told me 3000. When I complimented her on her pornstar performance she laughed and said I am a professional. LOL.

Scam alert.

A ladyboy and young girl on the street between 15 and 7/1, primarily in front of the hotels. The lady boy wears a mask and is well dressed, the girl is extremely attractive but very young looking. The minute you try talking to the girl the ladyboy interjects because the girl looks a little bit confused whenever you ask a question. The ladyboy said that the girl can only go in company with him, that they used their own hotel. When I asked if the girl had ID, the ladyboy said it's okay. I started laughing and walked away. Obviously, it's an extortion game.

Just as annoying, are the Indian guys that walk up to you poke you in the stomach and start telling you about herbal remedies. The first guy that did that to me I told him to go away, the second guy that did that to me I told him to fuck off and the third guy that did that to me I punched right in the face the minute he touched me and yelled thief in Thai. He got smart and jumped up and ran away as the motorcycle dudes perked up at the possible chance to lay out a beating to an Indian. Obviously, it's a pick pocket scam.

To our Indian brethren: rightfully or wrongfully in the Nana area you are not well liked by ties even though they will politely pretend. You should be on your best behavior.

Very nice overall field report from Nyezhov.

I like to be outdoors, enjoy cruising the streest, the sceneries, people, food, girls over cramming into noisy Gogos, bars or even Thermae.

Thanks for the scam alerts.

[QUOTE=ShaneFtzw21;3027637]Hi, I'm making a last minute trip to Thailand for a week the first week of October. I haven't had much time to research but I was hoping someone could recommend me some safe hotels to stay at. How do I avoid the ladyboys and how / where are the best spots to pick up women. Price ranges I should be aware to avoid getting ripped off? Anything else that would be helpful to know while there is appreciated! DMs are also open.[/QUOTE]If you want a safe hotel, stay at a Hilton, Hyatt, Marriot or similar. Pricer sure but they are nicer, up to the standard I am used to and are guest friendly. I do sometimes get an ST hotel if I don't want to bring them back.

[QUOTE=BadDances;3028036]If you want a safe hotel, stay at a Hilton, Hyatt, Marriot or similar. Pricer sure but they are nicer, up to the standard I am used to and are guest friendly. I do sometimes get an ST hotel if I don't want to bring them back.[/QUOTE]I prefer the amazing location of the Landmark Bangkok. It is on the same block as Nana Plaza just around the side of the block. Far enough above to avoid the road noise and late night music. The hotel is first class with a decent pool. Staff is great respectful and won't ever hassle you or your lady visitors.

There is nearby array of restaurants of all calibers at all hours of the night and day. You are also across from soi Arab with 24/7 eateries.

You will also be very close to all the street action on Soi 11 and also Sukkhumvit and Thermae.

Get a corner room for a better view. Check Agoda for better pricing.

Enjoy, E.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3027937]I had a layover in Bangkok. Here's the report:

Saturday night, horrible Talent at the blowjob bars that does not include the ones outside of Nana. The ones on 7/1 or particularly horrific. I walked into red fern and fled an absolute horror and Terror.

The Maison stroll was packed at 8:00 pm On Saturday night dead at 11:00 pm And then re-upped at 1:00 am I wonder if the cops made a sweep. In any event, there were some average looking girls there, nothing spectacular, one Iranian girl that looked like Margaret Hamilton in The Wizard of Oz, and a fatty blonde Beast that was also non-Asian. The African girls were universally disgusting, they were in their usual spot near the hotel and along the corner before the police booth when the stores closed. They also were walking in pairs as usual.

Spotted in the wild, a pair of blondes walking up sukunwit and down. I didn't get a chance to make eye contact but they were strolling.

School girl was looking hard and beat up. Billboard was very mediocre and I only recognized one girl there who has changed her hair color and put on some weight. Rainbow three was dead as was rainbow five and rainbow four. The club in the very corner of the second floor where you had to climb the stairs and I just forgot the name but that was closed. Twister had some decent talent, probably the best in the whole complex. Overall, it was definitely a low season in terms of decent looking girls..[/QUOTE]Just backing my bags for a free from work, long weekend in BKK, really looking forward to getting back it's been too long. Thanks for heads up on the scams, great intel! Always appreciated.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3027937]Just as annoying, are the Indian guys that walk up to you poke you in the stomach and start telling you about herbal remedies. Obviously, it's a pick pocket scam.[/QUOTE]It is not a pick pocket scam; it is the honey scam.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3028172]It is not a pick pocket scam; it is the honey scam.[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter what the scam is the minute they touch me for criminal reasons it's an assault. I'm old, they're young and that means the most powerful Sucker Punch I can dish out while screaming kmoy.

[QUOTE=OrientalLover;3027675]I used to get Dick and Balls shaving either in Nana barber shop or shop down in Soi 19. When I checked at the end of last year Soi 19 shop was not there. Does anyone know Nana barber shop still offer Dick and Balls shaving? Does anyone know any other place offer this service.[/QUOTE]Use hair removal cream, in 2 sessions, 2 days apart, cheaper and safer, no cuts.

I used to do waxing, only because the girl was alleviating the pain with saliva from an excellent BJ, but when she disappeared I switched to the cream.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3028214]Use hair removal cream, in 2 sessions, 2 days apart, cheaper and safer, no cuts.

I used to do waxing, only because the girl was alleviating the pain with saliva from an excellent BJ, but when she disappeared I switched to the cream.[/QUOTE]I use 3 M Surgical Clippers 9661. When I got a vasectomy I asked the doctor what he was using to shave me and that was it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3028224]I use 3 M Surgical Clippers 9661. When I got a vasectomy I asked the doctor what he was using to shave me and that was it.[/QUOTE]I spent hundreds of $ on all kind of miracle shavers made specially for the balls, but I always get cut, most likely due to my also old balls being too saggy or crinkled. I gave up, I'm afraid of the freaking cuts, that bleed like crazy, and I don't want to go in the battle with open wounds. Depilatory cream works excellent for me. I might give it a try again with the one you recommend it.

On a separate note, I always remember what a friend of mine that's 10 years older once told me: after you turn 50, you'll have to be careful when you sit down, not to sit on your balls, he was right on the money! I did sit on my balls a few times, and wasn't pleasant at all.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3028214]Use hair removal cream, in 2 sessions, 2 days apart, cheaper and safer, no cuts.

I used to do waxing, only because the girl was alleviating the pain with saliva from an excellent BJ, but when she disappeared I switched to the cream.[/QUOTE]I've used a Schick or Gillette twin-bladed razor since the early 90's when I started shaving the nether regions. And just use a little liquid soap to lather up. Pecker, balls, taint, keister and the majority up top. Chest and back as well and luckily I don't have much hair there. Rarely do I ever nick myself and just use a little lotion afterwards. I usually do this every 2 or 3 days and as I said have since the early 90's. 1 1/2 guard on clippers to trim the small amount I leave in a number two guard to keep the hair nicely trimmed. Women appreciate men who are well groomed. And as I've said on here countless times chilling up anywhere in cargo shorts, flip-flops, and a ratty t-shirt or wife beater isn't doing you any good.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3028306]I spent hundreds of $ on all kind of miracle shavers made specially for the balls, but I always get cut, most likely due to my also old balls being too saggy or crinkled.[/QUOTE]Now admittedly my balls aren't "saggy or crinkled" but Manscaped is your answer.

These are places I visit on every trip and this year so far have been to BKK 4 times already. Soi 11/1 - Bo Massage the therapists are trained from what Po, prices a bit higher but the service was quite good, I have had foot, shoulder, thai and oil massage here. The other go to choice for me on Soi 11 across from Grand Mercure Hotel there is Grace Salon, therapists are all 40 plus but very good massage, ask for Min, Oay etc. Both places are strictly massage. If you want an hour or more of pure bliss go to any of these places.

Enjoy.

I checked in around 2 today, and my first outing was a little frustrating. I headed to Erotica barber and massage, not really a lot of erotica. I got a mani in anticipation of activities ahead, the manager was a bit handsy but it seems like a legit place, they did a good job. Would recommend.

Then walked down Soi 71/2. So it looks like Annies took over the old Dr BJs nuru spot. The wood bar had a lot of big girls. I walked into Red Fern and found someone I thought was cute, but they said 4000 for two if she picks the friend. I said I just wanted her. Was told no, paid for her drink and mine, and walked out. Might hit up Thai Friendly instead for some delivery.

All I wanted for today was a solid BJ at a bar, then go for a legit massage. Maybe later.

[QUOTE=BadDances;3028373]I checked in around 2 today, and my first outing was a little frustrating. I headed to Erotica barber and massage, not really a lot of erotica. I got a mani in anticipation of activities ahead, the manager was a bit handsy but it seems like a legit place, they did a good job. Would recommend.

Then walked down Soi 71/2. So it looks like Annies took over the old Dr BJs nuru spot. The wood bar had a lot of big girls. I walked into Red Fern and found someone I thought was cute, but they said 4000 for two if she picks the friend. I said I just wanted her. Was told no, paid for her drink and mine, and walked out. Might hit up Thai Friendly instead for some delivery.

All I wanted for today was a solid BJ at a bar, then go for a legit massage. Maybe later.[/QUOTE]Big girls. Be more specific.

[QUOTE=Osaka;3028362]These are places I visit on every trip and this year so far have been to BKK 4 times already. Soi 11/1 - Bo Massage the therapists are trained from what Po, prices a bit higher but the service was quite good, I have had foot, shoulder, thai and oil massage here. The other go to choice for me on Soi 11 across from Grand Mercure Hotel there is Grace Salon, therapists are all 40 plus but very good massage, ask for Min, Oay etc. Both places are strictly massage. If you want an hour or more of pure bliss go to any of these places.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I feel like Google here but: Did you mean Bai Po Massage?

[QUOTE=Osaka;3028362]Soi 11/1 - Bo Massage the therapists are trained from what Po, prices a bit higher but the service was quite good, I have had foot, shoulder, thai and oil massage here.[/QUOTE]I've also had very good massages at Bai Po Massage on Soi 11/1. One of my massages was ruined by the Indian man next to me who kept complaining that his female massage therapist was not giving strong enough massage. The lady said she was doing as hard as she could and he should have gotten a man therapist. He refused to change therapists, but his mouth never silenced, it was not good for me nor the other customers.

As we visit massage places, keep in mind that our behavior affects other customers' relaxation.

Can someone clarify the confusing thai visa thing? I thought there was this new E visa required since June. But when I go to official website and say tourist for less than 30 days says I don't need anything. Please advise? US citizen.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3028474]Can someone clarify the confusing thai visa thing? I thought there was this new E visa required since June. But when I go to official website and say tourist for less than 30 days says I don't need anything. Please advise? US citizen.[/QUOTE]You simply fill the immigration paperwork out online and get the QR code before you come. Nothing else.

[URL]https://tdac.immigration.go.th/arrival-card/#/home[/URL]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3028474]Can someone clarify the confusing thai visa thing? I thought there was this new E visa required since June. But when I go to official website and say tourist for less than 30 days says I don't need anything. Please advise? US citizen.[/QUOTE]You are likely confusing "thai visa thing" with Thailand Digital Arrival Card:

[URL]https://tdac.immigration.go.th[/URL]

You need to complete this no sooner than 3 days prior to your arrival. I haven't done it yet, but it is reportedly very simple, just need your passport, flight information, and hotel for the first part of your visit. I set a reminder on my computer for exactly 72 hours prior to my arrival in Thailand. Supposedly you can even do it after arrival at kiosks within the airport, I suspect it is easier in your own home at your own computer.

According to https://www.thaievisa.go.th, USA citizens can stay in Thailand for no more than 60 days without a visa.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3028474]Can someone clarify the confusing thai visa thing? I thought there was this new E visa required since June. But when I go to official website and say tourist for less than 30 days says I don't need anything. Please advise? US citizen.[/QUOTE]No, you do need need to apply for a visa if you are an American and not staying longer than 30 days. What you do need to do is go online and apply for a Thailand Digital Arrival Card within 3 days of arriving.

[URL]https://tdac.immigration.go.th/arrival-card/[/URL]#/ home.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;3028479]No, you do need need to apply for a visa if you are an American and not staying longer than 30 days. What you do need to do is go online and apply for a Thailand Digital Arrival Card within 3 days of arriving.

[URL]https://tdac.immigration.go.th/arrival-card/[/URL]#/ home.[/QUOTE]You actually get stamped in for 60 days on arrival now. Just fill out TDAC card before you leave on your flight.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3028473]One of my massages was ruined by the Indian man next to me who kept complaining that his female massage therapist was not giving strong enough massage. The lady said she was doing as hard as she could and he should have gotten a man therapist. He refused to change therapists, but his mouth never silenced[/QUOTE]Feel bad for the girl. A painful day at work for her.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3028410]Big girls. Be more specific.[/QUOTE]Their bellies stick out farther than their tits? Overweight? Some may like that.

I was hoping for an old school dr BJ experience.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3028478]You are likely confusing "thai visa thing" with Thailand Digital Arrival Card:

[URL]https://tdac.immigration.go.th[/URL]

Supposedly you can even do it after arrival at kiosks within the airport, I suspect it is easier in your own home at your own computer.

According to https://www.thaievisa.go.th, USA citizens can stay in Thailand for no more than 60 days without a visa.[/QUOTE]Just got back from my Thai trip. Yes you can fill out the digital card after arrival in the airport. And yes, the immigration stamps for USA citizens are good for 60 days.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3027937]I had a layover in Bangkok. Here's the report:

Saturday night, horrible Talent at the blowjob bars that does not include the ones outside of Nana. The ones on 7/1 or particularly horrific. I walked into red fern and fled an absolute horror and Terror.

The Maison stroll was packed at 8:00 pm On Saturday night dead at 11:00 pm And then re-upped at 1:00 am I wonder if the cops made a sweep. In any event, there were some average looking girls there, nothing spectacular, one Iranian girl that looked like Margaret Hamilton in The Wizard of Oz, and a fatty blonde Beast that was also non-Asian. The African girls were universally disgusting, they were in their usual spot near the hotel and along the corner before the police booth when the stores closed. They also were walking in pairs as usual..[/QUOTE]Solid report. I've been living here for the past few years. I've only really seen Thais get overzealous on the first opportunity to just crack some euro over the head usually on an exaggerated accusation something like causing raucous, bill dispute, assault, or breaking property. I saw one go down not too long ago. A Thai man who had zero business honestly getting involved brutally kicked an innocent euro in the head while he was down. I mean he spun that kick from hell come on. You can probably still find the video on social media. It was bad but he got up under his own power glassy eyes and all. I think Thais are are just waiting for a euro to cross that line so they can hand them such a hellacious whooping they have to take it go. I'm not going to wax poetic on good behavior on a forum like this but what I can say is you have to be aware of the gang mentality here I can't stress that enough because when a euro is greenlighted everybody and their granny steps up to take a piece of their ass.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3028474]Can someone clarify the confusing thai visa thing? I thought there was this new E visa required since June. But when I go to official website and say tourist for less than 30 days says I don't need anything. Please advise? US citizen.[/QUOTE]My only additional comment on this is that if you Google "TDAC" you will find sites that will try to charge you for the form. They collect exactly the same information as the official site then send you to a payment page to get the QR code. Entry is FREE, so be sure you are on the government site shown above and not a scam site. Same goes for a bunch of other countries.

Also, there are kiosks to do it when you get off your flight, but there will be a line and you have to do it before you go to immigration. You should absolutely have your QR code and screenshot it before your flight.

I just went through passport control at BKK 5 days ago. Yes, you can complete this at the airport, not advisable due to longs lines. I completed mine a few days prior to departure, I wanted a hard copy, so I printed it out and gave the printout to passport control, they also want to see your boarding pass, for me ICN-BKK. One thing to remember, they take this TDAC seriously, after your passport, it's the next thing they ask for. Travelers were turned away because they did it wrong or didn't do it at all.

Well, after visiting Thermae a couple of hundred times over the years, getting "No way, never" responses from at least 50 girls I approached in there or who approached me first and about 20 "Yes" responses from other ladies only to discover in the room that the bad attitude and resistance to the whole idea or the terrible skill-set or utter inability to follow the simplest instructions for it made it impossible to complete, I recently stumbled onto an above average looker in the place who said "Yes" in the bar and actually did follow through in the room on a BBBJCIM.

Amazing.

I think she said her name was May. Early 30's I think. I never ask about age unless the girl appears to be dangerously young. She stood in the generally above average looker line up on the left as you walk away from the drink purchase counter and front door. Normal weight to height. 160 cm tall or so. 44 kilos as she weighed herself naked on my bathroom scale. Slim legs and thighs. I found out later she has a nicely shaped butt. Very light skin color, sweet face and smile. Surgically enhanced breasts but not too distractingly so. Long black hair.

As I stood and surveyed the room, I saw that perhaps her white skin, body proportions and bigger than usual breasts made her popular enough to be approached by several Asian dudes of different ages over the course of 15 minutes or so.

But she kept looking across the room at me and smiling. I should mention here that Thermae was packed with Asian men that night at 9:30-10 pm, mostly in their 30's I would say. Yet, I will also say that as an obviously older than 50 year old white guy, 72 really, I got plenty of smiles and positive responses from several of the younger and better looking girls in the place as I cruised past them in the Thermae customer river. And many of them smiled and made eyes at me across the room after I stopped in the middle to assess the situation.

I have noticed that more positive response than usual at Thermae over the past several months to a year, not just now during what many have characterized as a lower than usual Low Season.

Take that for whatever it is worth.

In fact, she was my third choice based on mere attractiveness and positive response smiles. I chose her because she just seemed a tad bit more eager for me to take her than my other two prospects. And I was admittedly intrigued by the lovely white and very smooth looking skin.

So over I went to her, introduced myself and asked her name.

To reduce the possibility of misunderstandings and because the horrid shoulder-to-shoulder line-up format in Thermae makes it very difficult to communicate most pertinent things with any hope of a positive response, I showed her on my Google Translate screenshot that I was interested in doing her orally followed by her doing me orally to a cum inside mouth finish, yes or no?

She read it from my phone screen and said "Yes, ok. " Then she put up three fingers for 3,000 baht "short time. " Within 4 seconds of my silent response she reduced that to "2,500 is ok. " I agreed and off we went to my motorbike and on that to my apartment about half a kilometer away.

Pleasant attitude. No unpleasant surprises. Already a great start. On the ride over and just inside the room as I was offering her a soda, water, beer or any other drink and setting up the accommodations for DATY and BBBJCIM, showering and so on, she kept getting phone notifications and briefly read a few messages she said were from repeat customers who were missing her and wondering where she is tonight if not in Thermae. LOL. She closed her phone and put it aside, no distractions from it for us.

I think she quite enjoyed the DATY. At least she felt and tasted like she did and it seemed she came fairly easily from my technique. Nobody but her knows really.

When it was my turn, she did require a few whispered instructions to go slower, not so fast, do it more gently, not so rough make all of it wetter, please, hand and mouth moving together in the same direction up and down, not in opposite directions like it's a taffy pull, etc, all the basics that separate a competent BJ meant to be finished orally from an incompetent one that is anybody's guess when or if it will ever cum to a finish.

And, wonder of wonders, this Thermae girl followed my simple instructions and brought me to a fine 100% CIM finish within 5-6 minutes of starting it, including the necessary occasional rest and teasing stops in the direct action to kiss and lick my shaved balls before going back to the shaft. For me, the same result as with any attractive girl who simply follows my clear and easy instructions.

I was damned impressed. She popped my 12+ year long Thermae girl BBBJCIM cherry! And this is hot on the heels of just a few months ago an above average cutie in Thermae agreeing in the place to BBFSCIP with me for 3,000, no, wait 4 seconds, 2,500 baht! My assessment of Thermae as a place for Real Sex and a successful BBBJCIM has improved by leaps and bounds over the past 12 months.

Of course, I will repeat with her. Either that or I risk waiting another 12 years and wading through dozens more "No way, never from Thermae girls to stumble onto the next one. LOL.

No, she didn't swallow. Would have been nice and even nicer if she had swallowed after telling me she will swallow. But not this time.

She did do something interesting about that, though. She didn't jump up and run to the bathroom to spit it out or even grab a tissue to spit into even though a tissue box was right there next to us. She took her time to stand up and as she walked slowly toward the bathroom with her mouth still full of my cum, she stopped to pick up her phone, check and read a couple of urgent messages from a couple of her worried repeat customers. Then she went into the bathroom to spit and rince. Never seen a girl do that.

On the issue of fucking or boom boom as she called it, she asked if I had a condom when we entered my room. That is the first time the topic of boom boom was raised by either one of us. I said I like boom boom and would love to boom boom her but I cannot boom boom wearing a condom so that is why I only asked for BBBJCIM. But that I had a vasectomy and a clean recent STD blood test result and I leave it up to her if she feels comfortable to boom boom with me.

She didn't this time around. However, her reaction to the idea of fucking me bareback was negative enough even when I was merely answering her question about it and not proactively asking for it to suggest it would be a long, long time before she pops open those legs to invite me in BB. Probably longer than I would ever repeat with her.

She asked me if I had a condom a second time in the room sometime before the shower. I thought wtf does she want to cover with a condom during DATY and BBBJCIM. Then she said not for us. She just wanted to know if I had a condom in the room to give to her for later so she doesn't have to stop at a 7-11 on a slightly rainy night to buy one.

Questionable note to start a session. But, hey, whatever works for her.

I gave her another 100 baht for the Grab taxi she called to take her wherever.

As always, YMMV.

I looked at the offerings on the Seeking website for Bangkok ladies and there are a number that are worthy of consideration if you are looking for more LT / evening / date types arrangements. I would be curious what is the going rate for these girls on a Pay Per Meet basis. And yes I know it is very much dependent on the lady, but in general if anyone has been active on Seeking in BK, let me know how you found the experience. If I pull the trigger I will of course do the same.

TIA.

Sky.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;3028791]I looked at the offerings on the Seeking website for Bangkok ladies and there are a number that are worthy of consideration if you are looking for more LT / evening / date types arrangements. I would be curious what is the going rate for these girls on a Pay Per Meet basis. And yes I know it is very much dependent on the lady, but in general if anyone has been active on Seeking in BK, let me know how you found the experience. If I pull the trigger I will of course do the same.

TIA.

Sky.[/QUOTE]I met some ladies in Jakarta via Seeking and my general view was they expected well above the going rate for somebody of average appearance.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;3028791]I looked at the offerings on the Seeking website for Bangkok ladies and there are a number that are worthy of consideration if you are looking for more LT / evening / date types arrangements. I would be curious what is the going rate for these girls on a Pay Per Meet basis. And yes I know it is very much dependent on the lady, but in general if anyone has been active on Seeking in BK, let me know how you found the experience. If I pull the trigger I will of course do the same..[/QUOTE]Are they mostly freelance on seeking like on TF in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3028747]Well, after visiting Thermae a couple of hundred times over the years...As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]Wow, one of the best reports I've read here. Really well written. Thanks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3028747]Yet, I will also say that as an obviously older than 50 year old white guy, 72 really, I got plenty of smiles and positive responses from several of the younger and better looking girls in the place as I cruised past them in the Thermae customer river.[/QUOTE]Being now also above 50, I have been successful as well with younger, prettier girls. They all stayed overnight without asking for more money (they must have liked the hotel rooms).

Great report!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3028474]Can someone clarify the confusing thai visa thing? I thought there was this new E visa required since June. But when I go to official website and say tourist for less than 30 days says I don't need anything. Please advise? US citizen.[/QUOTE]You appear to be confusing a visa with a 'Thai digital arrival card' or 'TDAC' which was introduced in June, they are do quite distinct things.

Everyone must fill in the TDAC within 3 days of arrival. Just use the official site and it's free and simple. As always there are lots of companies pretending to be official sites that charge you to do it for you even though you can do it yourself for free in about 10 minutes or less. They aren't scams as such it's just like 'agencies' offering to do visa applications for you. Most Asian countries have a similar system to the TDAC now, Just going from Thailand to Malaysia tomorrow and I have to do a similar arrival card.

In the line at immigration, they only checked about 50% of the TDAC's, they didn't actually check mine, but I do recommend doing it in advance of arriving and not leaving it to the airport. A lot of systems went down last Saturday evening at the airport when I was going through.

They seem to pay particular attention as well to certain nationalities, they was a couple of (Chinese I think) on my queue that got taken aside (possibly turned away altogether).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3028473]I've also had very good massages at Bai Po Massage on Soi 11/1. One of my massages was ruined by the Indian man next to me who kept complaining that his female massage therapist was not giving strong enough massage. The lady said she was doing as hard as she could and he should have gotten a man therapist. He refused to change therapists, but his mouth never silenced, it was not good for me nor the other customers.
[/QUOTE]You should gotten up and "Ssshhh! Ed the idiot, like I did to some chinese idiots who were having a conversation across their individual massage cubicles. The one who's cubicle I entered looked so shocked she might as well have been seeing a ghost, though did not hear a pip from her after that.

Last month some USA-idiot next to my cubicle was babbling loudly on his phone in speaker mode about ihavenoideawhat. He kept babbling and babbling, and after a few minutes I got out my own phone, only so the woman massaging me would not think I was talking to her, and started talking loudly on my phone that there was some idiot next to me having a loud conversation on his speakerphone and that I sure hope he shuts up soon so I can enjoy my massage. Fortunately he quieted down after that, though without apologising to me.

My GF left yesterday, and today after I went to check out the Thermae, but was closed (around noon), I was wandering aimlessly at the far end of Soy Cowboy, and entered a chinese casino to use the toilet, because I had a few beers already and needed to pee badly. A beautiful hostess tried to welcome me, but in my desperation I kind of dismissed her and went to where the toilet sign was pointing. After the bladder was empty, I returned to her and apologized, she spoke some english, but she used the phone to translate, excusing herself for being proficient in chinese but not english. The place was almost empty, and now that I had her talking to me, and holding her phone in her hand, I asked her about quitting time, and her phone nr of course. I got both, and at 4 pm when her shift was over I got her to come to my hotel where we had lunch, and then we fucked like bunnies until 8 pm when she left. Very sweet girl, nice smelling, funny, polite, and nice face and body. Before she left I put 2 kb in her purse, I don't know if she saw me or not from the bathroom mirror where she was putting on lipstick, but I wanted to avoid a possible awkward moment handing money to her directly. Got a few pics from her FB, and some from my phone.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3028991]You should gotten up and "Ssshhh! Ed the idiot, like I did to some chinese idiots who were having a conversation across their individual massage cubicles. The one who's cubicle I entered looked so shocked she might as well have been seeing a ghost, though did not hear a pip from her after that.

Last month some USA-idiot next to my cubicle was babbling loudly on his phone in speaker mode about ihavenoideawhat. He kept babbling and babbling, and after a few minutes I got out my own phone, only so the woman massaging me would not think I was talking to her, and started talking loudly on my phone that there was some idiot next to me having a loud conversation on his speakerphone and that I sure hope he shuts up soon so I can enjoy my massage. Fortunately he quieted down after that, though without apologising to me.[/QUOTE]I would never do anything like that for the minor offense that I observed, it was just an irritant that was over at the end of massage. In your examples, you started confrontations, which is negatively viewed by the Thai people. Thai culture allows people great latitude and things generally work out nicely. You doubled minor problems, which can snowball if too many people do things like you did.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3028897]Being now also above 50, I have been successful as well with younger, prettier girls. They all stayed overnight without asking for more money (they must have liked the hotel rooms).

Great report![/QUOTE]Older mean more money for a Thai girl. So its good for old farang in Thailand.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3028747]Well, after visiting Thermae a couple of hundred times over the years, getting "No way, never" responses from at least 50 girls I approached in there or who approached me first and about 20 "Yes" responses from other ladies only to discover in the room that the bad attitude and resistance to the whole idea or the terrible skill-set or utter inability to follow the simplest instructions for it made it impossible to complete, I recently stumbled onto an above average looker in the place who said "Yes" in the bar and actually did follow through in the room on a BBBJCIM..[/QUOTE]Let me get this straight.

You paid 2500 baht for a simple BJ?

Just for including also CIM?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3029046]I would never do anything like that for the minor offense that I observed, it was just an irritant that was over at the end of massage. In your examples, you started confrontations, which is negatively viewed by the Thai people. Thai culture allows people great latitude and things generally work out nicely. You doubled minor problems, which can snowball if too many people do things like you did.[/QUOTE]Well, it worked out fine for me. Before I was unable to enjoy the massage, afterwards I could again enjoy it.

I did something similar more recently, by asking somewhat loudly in Thai language why some other staff was yapping so loudly on her phone a few mattresses north of me, having what sounded like some argument with someone. Afterwards the woman massaging me shouted something to the other woman, apologized to me, and shortly afterwards, the manageress from downstairs also came up and reprimanded the other woman, shouting an apology to me through the curtain as she left.

I don't like confrontations, but I don't enjoy somebody ruining my experience for no good reason either. I guess some people prefer to suffer the "irritant" until the end of massage and post about it here later, rather than speak up where it's possible to do something about it. Their choice of course, but it does not have to be like that.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3029035]My GF left yesterday, and today after I went to check out the Thermae, but was closed (around noon), I was wandering aimlessly at the far end of Soy Cowboy, and entered a chinese casino to use the toilet, because I had a few beers already and needed to pee badly. A beautiful hostess tried to welcome me, but in my desperation I kind of dismissed her and went to where the toilet sign was pointing. After the bladder was empty, I returned to her and apologized, she spoke some english, but she used the phone to translate, excusing herself for being proficient in chinese but not english. The place was almost empty, and now that I had her talking to me, and holding her phone in her hand, I asked her about quitting time, and her phone nr of course. I got both, and at 4 pm when her shift was over I got her to come to my hotel where we had lunch, and then we fucked like bunnies until 8 pm when she left. Very sweet girl, nice smelling, funny, polite, and nice face and body. Before she left I put 2 kb in her purse, I don't know if she saw me or not from the bathroom mirror where she was putting on lipstick, but I wanted to avoid a possible awkward moment handing money to her directly. Got a few pics from her FB, and some from my phone.[/QUOTE]What a great example of "if you never try, you never know".

So many other guys would have thought there was no point in trying. Instead you tried, and banged what looks like a nice girl. A girl who you probably didn't even need to pay anything, except you yourself chose to do that.

It's stuff like that which makes the other 99 times one tried and failed, for us old and ugly guys, worth it.

[QUOTE=XeniteMenos;3029160]Let me get this straight.

You paid 2500 baht for a simple BJ?

Just for including also CIM?[/QUOTE]I hate the set ups in the BJ Bars, massage shops and Happy Ending Shops. I much prefer whatever I do to be in my own apartment or sometimes in a very select couple of Short Time hotel rooms I occasionally use. And I like that I am not the one who has to get dressed and head outdoors to journey back to wherever after I finish.

This lady was several notches above any ladies I have seen at any of those other venues. I could have taken a less attractive lady from some of those other venues, but they're going to tack on an additional barfine of 500 baht at least to take her to my room for an hour and some of the better shops, the Happy Ending Shops, are already charging 1,500+ for an hour in their crappy rooms with filthy beds.

That is aside from the fact that I have gone to some of the highly-touted supposed PSE Happy Ending shops and have spent 2,000 for 60-90 minutes of boring massage that eventually culminated with a blowjob so incompetently done I've aborted the mission, thanked her for her time and moved on. And with about the same likelihood that I would get a BBBJCIP with an acceptable looking lady in those venues as I had with my Thermae lady no matter how legendary is the PSE shop for hiring ladies who "never disappoint" and "do everything. " That's what I get for daring to chose ladies in those shops that, IMO, are the only ones I would be interested in having any kind of sex with at all.

I suppose I could have shopped for a girl on the street and might have saved as much as 1,000 on the deal if I had struck gold and the girl really did follow through on something close to a BBBJCIM. But I have gotten about as many NO responses to that BBBJCIM request or crap attempts at it from above average looking street girls as frim the better looking girls in Thermae. No great advantage there in my experience. And I wasn't in the mood to continue cruising around, shopping and negotiating.

On that night at that hour I was more intrigued by that girl in that venue and was fine with spending money to get from her what she said Yes to for me. I was not then or really ever interested in shopping around for another hour or two seeing if I can find another lady of equal or better looks who will say Yes to what I want and see if I can save 1,000 baht. It's just not worth it to me.

However, on the CIM part, I would never have taken her if she had not agreed to the CIM part. There are plenty of good looking girls in Thermae and many of the better looking street girls who will deliver a NO to CIM BBBJ if I had been in the market for that, which I never am in the market for.

If you know of a place where any of us can see and interact up close and personal, not text, talk or even video chat, with above average face and body lookers who will come to my room and spend a leisurely hour or more naked, kissing, licking, sucking each other amd me to a fine 100% BBBJCIM finish for significantly less than 20 minutes of personal research and observation time and 2,500 baht of my money, then I am certainly open to hear about it.

I already know about ThaiFriendly and such but don't feel that option fits my criteria all that well. And I know about the street but have rarely seen better on the street than I got from inside Thermae that night. So if you have any other intel on it, please share.

[QUOTE=BennieBen;3029080]Older mean more money for a thai girl. So its good for old farang in thailand.[/QUOTE]Old guys don't beat up the money maker.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3028747]

She did do something interesting about that, though. She didn't jump up and run to the bathroom to spit it out or even grab a tissue to spit into even though a tissue box was right there next to us. She took her time to stand up and as she walked slowly toward the bathroom with her mouth still full of my cum, she stopped to pick up her phone, check and read a couple of urgent messages from a couple of her worried repeat customers. Then she went into the bathroom to spit and rince. Never seen a girl do that.
[/QUOTE]Informative report, it is appreciated. It seems there have been more good reports over the last month or so than in recent past, keep it up!

There have been so many reports of the girls favoring the Koreans that it's nice to see that a normal farang can still get occasional good service from Thermae. I'm encouraged from this report to spend a little more time in Thermae than normal. Being and old fart, I can only finish BB, this cuts my chances way down low. But, once or twice I have gotten BBFSCIP from Thermae and I'd like to increase that number.

I got a chuckle out of her checking her phone while she still had a mouth full of cum, memorable. Perhaps could have been better if she took a phone call before the spit. I admit, I'm twisted and I like this kind of thing.

Gents,

Second trip to BKK coming up next week. I've been RTFFing for the last few months and recall a review of a bar but I can't remember the name or location. I recall that it's a smaller bar that's pretty chill. Many above average girls are in a hallway (that wouldn't be seen by someone just looking in the door. You can invite a few to the table to hang and eat and drink. I'll be in BKK with a couple of friends and this seems like a cool place to hang.

Early onset dementia may be kicking in and I could have this completely wrong, if so feel free to laugh and point. If I'm not off my rocker would someone send the name of the bar?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3029212]Old guys don't beat up the money maker.[/QUOTE]That really depends on the health of the old guy. Some of us old dudes can still pop twice in a 90 minute session. But that's second pop requires a bit of pounding. Some young dudes pop faster than a 4th of July firecracker.
I know I've said this a million times but the key to a great sex life as you age is keeping the body in mind in shape. Well we cannot completely throw off the effects of aging, an excellent diet and a lot of exercise along with limiting alcohol and no tobacco goes a long way. I've been a gym rat since the early nineties but in the last few years I've changed my routine considerably. While I still do weights, the focus is now on HIIT, Pilates, and yoga stressing flexibility and endurance along with muscle tone. Also as we age our bodies don't process protein as well. What a young person can do with 10 g of protein those of us in our 50s and 60s need 30. Upping that protein intake as we age is vital. So take care of yourself and you can keep sexually active till you're very old. There's a dude at the gym who's 80, in incredible shape, and still sexually active. Contrast that with some of the fat out of shape alcoholics I know who can't even get it up in their mid-50s.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3029281]That really depends on the health of the old guy. Some of us old dudes can still pop twice in a 90 minute session. But that's second pop requires a bit of pounding. Some young dudes pop faster than a 4th of July firecracker.
I know I've said this a million times but the key to a great sex life as you age is keeping the body in mind in shape. Well we cannot completely throw off the effects of aging, an excellent diet and a lot of exercise along with limiting alcohol and no tobacco goes a long way. I've been a gym rat since the early nineties but in the last few years I've changed my routine considerably. While I still do weights, the focus is now on HIIT, Pilates, and yoga stressing flexibility and endurance along with muscle tone. Also as we age our bodies don't process protein as well. What a young person can do with 10 g of protein those of us in our 50s and 60s need 30. Upping that protein intake as we age is vital. So take care of yourself and you can keep sexually active till you're very old. There's a dude at the gym who's 80, in incredible shape, and still sexually active. Contrast that with some of the fat out of shape alcoholics I know who can't even get it up in their mid-50s.[/QUOTE]Great advice and point of view! For me it is the punting life that gives me the incentive to stay in decent shape, watch my weight, drink moderately, and eat good & healthy. If not for attractive, young, girls I would probably be 250 lbs, and nailed to my living room couch smoking 5 or 6 hash joints a day!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TqSyvdqn9c&t=37s[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3029205]And with about the same likelihood that I would get a [b]BBBJCIP[/b] with an acceptable looking lady in those venues as I had with my Thermae lady no matter how legendary is the PSE shop for hiring ladies who "never disappoint" and "do everything. "[/QUOTE]I see now that was a typo there. I meant to type [B]BBFSCIP[/B] in that sentence.

Which was also the reason I only negotiated upfront for BBBJCIM with the lady in Thermae rather than negotiating upfront for BBFSCIP with her, the latter being about as certain a shut down and refusal with the better lookers in Thermae and under its horrid shoulder-to-shoulder line-up conditions as you can get. Well, I suppose negotiating for Bare Back Anal Cum Inside with the hottest girl in the room might be more challenging under those Thermae conditions. But that's about it.

Anyway, the idea was just to get an agreement in the bar for one of the better lookers and for whom I felt an intriguing attraction to come to my apartment, get naked and, at minimum, deliver a simple BBBJCIM but with the possibility that we will "go with the flow" in the safe and comfy confines of my apartment into BBFSCIP.

That didn't happen this time with this lady. But it could have. I have heard of it happening with other punters a hell of a lot more often than it has with me, especially with a first session with a better looking girl met in Thermae.

However, for 2,500 baht it was worth a try and turned out pretty sweet anyway.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3029286]Great advice and point of view! For me it is the punting life that gives me the incentive to stay in decent shape, watch my weight, drink moderately, and eat good & healthy. If not for attractive, young, girls I would probably be 250 lbs, and nailed to my living room couch smoking 5 or 6 hash joints a day!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TqSyvdqn9c&t=37s[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't kid myself either. There are wrinkles in the neck and crow's feet and you know what, I'm sure I'm not that attractive to a gal in her early twenties. And my Target demographic is definitely not that. I prefer late twenties up myself, baby free if I can find it but that's difficult. For some reason much below that age wise I just find them incredibly irritating. Not that I'm going to engage in much conversation anyway but the younger generation is just completely different.
And I've even found one's in there late 30s and actually seem to enjoy the act with me. And I guess I prefer that over an early 20s starfish.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3029035]My GF left yesterday, and today after I went to check out the Thermae, but was closed (around noon), I was wandering aimlessly at the far end of Soy Cowboy, and entered a chinese casino to use the toilet, because I had a few beers already and needed to pee badly. A beautiful hostess tried to welcome me, but in my desperation I kind of dismissed her and went to where the toilet sign was pointing. After the bladder was empty, I returned to her and apologized, she spoke some english, but she used the phone to translate, excusing herself for being proficient in chinese but not english. The place was almost empty, and now that I had her talking to me, and holding her phone in her hand, I asked her about quitting time, and her phone nr of course. I got both, and at 4 pm when her shift was over I got her to come to my hotel where we had lunch, and then we fucked like bunnies until 8 pm when she left. Very sweet girl, nice smelling, funny, polite, and nice face and body. Before she left I put 2 kb in her purse, I don't know if she saw me or not from the bathroom mirror where she was putting on lipstick, but I wanted to avoid a possible awkward moment handing money to her directly. Got a few pics from her FB, and some from my phone.[/QUOTE]Good for you on that nice catch. And thanks for reporting about it.

I had no idea there was a "Chinese casino" near the far end of Soi Cowboy. Would that me the far end where Soi Cowboy connects with Asok or the far end where it connects with Soi 23?

Never knew there was any casino in the immediate area. Then again, I am not Chinese so maybe that's why.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3029205]I hate the set ups in the BJ Bars, massage shops and Happy Ending Shops. I much prefer whatever I do to be in my own apartment or sometimes in a very select couple of Short Time hotel rooms I occasionally use. And I like that I am not the one who has to get dressed and head outdoors to journey back to wherever after I finish.

This lady was several notches above any ladies I have seen at any of those other venues. I could have taken a less attractive lady from some of those other venues, but they're going to tack on an additional barfine of 500 baht at least to take her to my room for an hour and some of the better shops, the Happy Ending Shops, are already charging 1,500+ for an hour in their crappy rooms with filthy beds.

That is aside from the fact that I have gone to some of the highly-touted supposed PSE Happy Ending shops and have spent 2,000 for 60-90 minutes of boring massage that eventually culminated with a blowjob so incompetently done I've aborted the mission, thanked her for her time and moved on. And with about the same likelihood that I would get a BBBJCIP with an acceptable looking lady in those venues as I had with my Thermae lady no matter how legendary is the PSE shop for hiring ladies who "never disappoint" and "do everything. " That's what I get for daring to chose ladies in those shops that, IMO, are the only ones I would be interested in having any kind of sex with at all..[/QUOTE]Then I must do something differently because I don't lose time with onsite search and I book all my girls through TF.

So far I had great success booking girls of age 25-30 year old For 2-2.5 hours, with as many times finishing as I want. CIM was never part of the deal, but most of the times it happens during the act and no girl complained much.

All above for 2-2500 baht.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3029333]Good for you on that nice catch. And thanks for reporting about it.

I had no idea there was a "Chinese casino" near the far end of Soi Cowboy. Would that me the far end where Soi Cowboy connects with Asok or the far end where it connects with Soi 23?

Never knew there was any casino in the immediate area. Then again, I am not Chinese so maybe that's why.[/QUOTE]I, also, never knew of a casino on Soi Cowboy. Or even in the area noted. Could be that Old an Ugly was using the word "casino" as it has been traditionally / originally used. While we are accustomed to referring to casinos as places where games are played and money is wagered, the original meaning of "casino" simply means a meeting place where social games are played. Drinking games? Bingo anybody? LOL.

Sam.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;3028791]I looked at the offerings on the Seeking website for Bangkok ladies and there are a number that are worthy of consideration if you are looking for more LT / evening / date types arrangements. I would be curious what is the going rate for these girls on a Pay Per Meet basis. And yes I know it is very much dependent on the lady, but in general if anyone has been active on Seeking in BK, let me know how you found the experience. If I pull the trigger I will of course do the same.

TIA.

Sky.[/QUOTE]It seems that 7 K is the popular price for an evening that includes some version of GFE type sex. All of them promise to get dressed up for the occasion. One said that the no overnight stay I requested would be 4500 B, but if she stayed overnight and had morning sex it would be 7 K. My favorite so far is a blond attractive farang lady that told me she "requires" 30,000 for the evening and has to leave early for work the next morning, so we need to meet at my hotel first so she can leave her clothes for work the next morning. I politely declined, she asked why and I said, this has nothing to due with your "worth", but the experience does not meet the threshold for a 30,000 evening without regard to who the lady might be that evening. One said 4500 if she doesn't stay all night. I tell them all I am not interested in overnights. I have not made any commitments with any and won't negotiations until I have had a video contact.

How do you ask the girl about BBFSCIP and BBBJCIM in simple English or use Thai language? I always hesitate to ask or I don't know how to ask.

Suggestion welcome.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3029290]I see now that was a typo there. I meant to type [B]BBFSCIP[/B] in that sentence.

Which was also the reason I only negotiated upfront for BBBJCIM with the lady in Thermae rather than negotiating upfront for BBFSCIP with her, the latter being about as certain a shut down and refusal with the better lookers in Thermae and under its horrid shoulder-to-shoulder line-up conditions as you can get. Well, I suppose negotiating for Bare Back Anal Cum Inside with the hottest girl in the room might be more challenging under those Thermae conditions. But that's about it.

Anyway, the idea was just to get an agreement in the bar for one of the better lookers and for whom I felt an intriguing attraction to come to my apartment, get naked and, at minimum, deliver a simple BBBJCIM but with the possibility that we will "go with the flow" in the safe and comfy confines of my apartment into BBFSCIP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaturnDays;3029680]How do you ask the girl about BBFSCIP and BBBJCIM in simple English or use Thai language? I always hesitate to ask or I don't know how to ask.

Suggestion welcome.[/QUOTE]Simple English supplemented by translator so she can read in Thai. Confirm that she understands and agrees, otherwise some will make excuses and renig.

Boom boom sex no condom. Finish inside.

Blow job no condom. Finish in mouth.

[QUOTE=SaturnDays;3029680]How do you ask the girl about BBFSCIP and BBBJCIM in simple English or use Thai language? I always hesitate to ask or I don't know how to ask.

Suggestion welcome.[/QUOTE]HorseTrader is right. I put a few short statements about what I want in Google Translate, translate from English into Thai. And I take a screenshot of that page showing my statements in English and the Thai translation. Just in case the translation disappears in the app, then I can just show the screenshot of it in my Photo Gallery.

If you want to be a little more sure about what exactly she is reading in the translation to Thai, reverse translate that first English to Thai translation back to English and see how it reads from your side. You can then tweak a few words or phrases here and there until it gets closer to what you want her to read and, hopefully, understand.

I am more likely to show my phone screen with a translation page like that in Thermae or on the street because there just isn't time to sit, cuddle, speak or mime a negotiation as I would in a bar. But, imo, it is about the only way to avoid getting a definite NO to anything in Thermae other than for basic issues like How Long, How Many Pops and How Much Baht even if the girl is overjoyed by the idea of fucking you without a condom until you finish inside her pussy or giving you a blowjob without a condom until you finish inside her mouth. The mere fact that someone else in the room or perhaps in the entire kingdom of Thailand might overhear you asking for either one will essentially eliminate all possibility of her saying Yes.

In my case, I also include a mention that I have a motorbike parked right around the corner and live on Soi blah blah so that issue is settled too.

Several years ago somebody very fluent in Thai posted the best Thai words and phrases to use in these matters so there would be no misunderstanding between you and the girl. But I don't remember any of them or which folder in which app I moved them. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3029776]HorseTrader is right. I put a few short statements about what I want in Google Translate, translate from English into Thai. And I take a screenshot of that page showing my statements in English and the Thai translation. Just in case the translation disappears in the app, then I can just show the screenshot of it in my Photo Gallery.

If you want to be a little more sure about what exactly she is reading in the translation to Thai, reverse translate that first English to Thai translation back to English and see how it reads from your side. You can then tweak a few words or phrases here and there until it gets closer to what you want her to read and, hopefully, understand.

I am more likely to show my phone screen with a translation page like that in Thermae or on the street because there just isn't time to sit, cuddle, speak or mime a negotiation as I would in a bar. But, imo, it is about the only way to avoid getting a definite NO to anything in Thermae other than for basic issues like How Long, How Many Pops and How Much Baht even if the girl is overjoyed by the idea of fucking you without a condom until you finish inside her pussy or giving you a blowjob without a condom until you finish inside her mouth. The mere fact that someone else in the room or perhaps in the entire kingdom of Thailand might overhear you asking for either one will essentially eliminate all possibility of her saying Yes.

In my case, I also include a mention that I have a motorbike parked right around the corner and live on Soi blah blah so that issue is settled too.

Several years ago somebody very fluent in Thai posted the best Thai words and phrases to use in these matters so there would be no misunderstanding between you and the girl. But I don't remember any of them or which folder in which app I moved them. LOL.[/QUOTE]Somehow I came across this site for Vietnamese expressions. It seems to have various slang translations in that tongue. I don't know if it translates Thai any better than Goog. [URL]https://glosbe.com/en/th/pussy[/URL].

[QUOTE=SaturnDays;3029680]How do you ask the girl about BBFSCIP and BBBJCIM in simple English or use Thai language? I always hesitate to ask or I don't know how to ask.

Suggestion welcome.[/QUOTE]I always use Google Translate. Never had a problem.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;3029539]It seems that 7 K is the popular price for an evening that includes some version of GFE type sex. All of them promise to get dressed up for the occasion. One said that the no overnight stay I requested would be 4500 B, but if she stayed overnight and had morning sex it would be 7 K. My favorite so far is a blond attractive farang lady that told me she "requires" 30,000 for the evening and has to leave early for work the next morning, so we need to meet at my hotel first so she can leave her clothes for work the next morning. I politely declined, she asked why and I said, this has nothing to due with your "worth", but the experience does not meet the threshold for a 30,000 evening without regard to who the lady might be that evening. One said 4500 if she doesn't stay all night. I tell them all I am not interested in overnights. I have not made any commitments with any and won't negotiations until I have had a video contact.[/QUOTE]

Hi, this is a supposedly very high end agency in Bangkok. I was told that even for 30,000-40,000 Baht you are only allowed one shot. I am sure the ladies are stunning and very beautiful, but my personal thought is that this is a bit overpriced to say the least.

[URL]https://www.eliteamourclub.com/models[/URL]

Had a most enjoyable natural sex session with a freelance 21 yo freshie uni student yesterday evening. She said it was her first time doing P4 P. With her shy demeanor, braces, 40 kg frame, Acup tits and ultra tight box, if only she was wearing her black and white uniform she would have been the ideal girl I lust for while riding the MRT.

Anyway, once she came out of the shower, she casually said "Cash or QR", just like I hear when I am paying the bill at a restaurant. This is now the second P4 P girl in as many months that has indicated it is okay for QR payment. My experience with QR payments is that while the receiver will not see your bank account details, they will see your full name as part of the transfer. This to me is a no-go as I don't want any P4 P girl to have even my real first name (I always use a stage name for P4 P), so I just paid in cash. Question for those in the know, is my understanding of QR payment correct? Or is there a way to use QR payment in a way that my personal information is anonymous to the recipient? Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030096]Had a most enjoyable natural sex session with a freelance 21 yo freshie uni student yesterday evening. She said it was her first time doing P4 P. With her shy demeanor, braces, 40 kg frame, Acup tits and ultra tight box, if only she was wearing her black and white uniform she would have been the ideal girl I lust for while riding the MRT.

Anyway, once she came out of the shower, she casually said "Cash or QR", just like I hear when I am paying the bill at a restaurant. This is now the second P4 P girl in as many months that has indicated it is okay for QR payment. My experience with QR payments is that while the receiver will not see your bank account details, they will see your full name as part of the transfer. This to me is a no-go as I don't want any P4 P girl to have even my real first name (I always use a stage name for P4 P), so I just paid in cash. Question for those in the know, is my understanding of QR payment correct? Or is there a way to use QR payment in a way that my personal information is anonymous to the recipient? Enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]When you scan their QR code it does not send your bank account information or your name to the receipient. It sends a masked account number and a transaction ID. At least it doesn't with the 2 banks I tested sending each way. Bangkok Bank and Kaiskorn. If you do a transfer using their account number your information and Name is sent along with the transaction.

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3029979]Hi, this is a supposedly very high end agency in Bangkok. I was told that even for 30,000-40,000 Baht you are only allowed one shot. I am sure the ladies are stunning and very beautiful, but my personal thought is that this is a bit overpriced to say the least.

[URL]https://www.eliteamourclub.com/models[/URL][/QUOTE]I know that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and a refined, worldly, educated, beautiful and sexy lady is a real treasure, the idea of dropping $45000 be for two hours and one shot is way outside my sphere of consideration. Maybe for an entire week, as long as she is fun and understands the meaning of GFE, that I would do, especially if she is a smoke show with a fun personality. I personally met a lady that I would pay that much for sight unseen.

Now if I was so rich it didn't matter, maybe. Nah. She would have to earn it first. Somehow.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030096]Question for those in the know, is my understanding of QR payment correct? Or is there a way to use QR payment in a way that my personal information is anonymous to the recipient?[/QUOTE]I do not know if your understanding is correct, but what I can tell you is that nobody gives a care about your name being there. They probably do not even know it is there. It is kind of like the poster the other day not wanting to give his whatsapp because they could see his phone number. They absolutely do not care and are not interested in your personal info. It might as well be invisible to them.

[QUOTE=SaturnDays;3029680]How do you ask the girl about BBFSCIP and BBBJCIM in simple English or use Thai language?[/QUOTE]I prefer to play charades.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3029746]Boom boom sex no condom. Finish inside.

Blow job no condom. Finish in mouth.[/QUOTE]

I think simple English should be fine too. Girls in tourist area bars should know what these mean.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;3030105]I know that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and a refined, worldly, educated, beautiful and sexy lady is a real treasure, the idea of dropping $45000 be for two hours and one shot is way outside my sphere of consideration. Maybe for an entire week, as long as she is fun and understands the meaning of GFE, that I would do, especially if she is a smoke show with a fun personality. I personally met a lady that I would pay that much for sight unseen.

Now if I was so rich it didn't matter, maybe. Nah. She would have to earn it first. Somehow.[/QUOTE]Hi, it was 40,000 Baht for 4 hours and still 1 shot. Just from reading the forum there are so many other choices available in Bangkok, other services, bars and high end soapy massages. Heck, even the foreign "blonde farang" for 30,000 Baht you encountered seems like a great deal compared to this. I think you mentioned at least she was staying the night. LOL!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3030212]I prefer to play charades..[/QUOTE]I like charades too gets me a lot of attention when I mimic a gagging sloppy blowjob in the middle of Thermae.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030096]Had a most enjoyable natural sex session with a freelance 21 yo freshie uni student yesterday evening. She said it was her first time doing P4 P. With her shy demeanor, braces, 40 kg frame, Acup tits and ultra tight box, if only she was wearing her black and white uniform she would have been the ideal girl I lust for while riding the MRT.

Anyway, once she came out of the shower, she casually said "Cash or QR", just like I hear when I am paying the bill at a restaurant. This is now the second P4 P girl in as many months that has indicated it is okay for QR payment. My experience with QR payments is that while the receiver will not see your bank account details, they will see your full name as part of the transfer. This to me is a no-go as I don't want any P4 P girl to have even my real first name (I always use a stage name for P4 P), so I just paid in cash. Question for those in the know, is my understanding of QR payment correct? Or is there a way to use QR payment in a way that my personal information is anonymous to the recipient? Enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]Hi. May I ask how you met her? I'm in Bangkok now. I've been trying Thermae a lot but looking for something better.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3029511]I, also, never knew of a casino on Soi Cowboy. Or even in the area noted. Could be that Old an Ugly was using the word "casino" as it has been traditionally / originally used. While we are accustomed to referring to casinos as places where games are played and money is wagered, the original meaning of "casino" simply means a meeting place where social games are played. Drinking games? Bingo anybody? LOL.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Maybe was not Soy Cowboy, was one of the side streets at the North end of Cowboy, I remember walking next to some sort of small water stream along the street, before I got to the place, from outside looks like a restaurant.

I don't know what kind of casino it was, because I just saw few guys drinking. The conversation with the girl was in the hallway by the entrance, and when I asked what was happening in that place, she said in her broken english that chinese come there to drink and play, and when I asked if it's a casino? She said yes, this why I said casino.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3030459]Hi. May I ask how you met her? I'm in Bangkok now. I've been trying Thermae a lot but looking for something better.[/QUOTE]Lower Sukhimvit on the even-numbered side. She was sitting on the steps of the Landmark with her friend who I had taken before, so I was quick to get an introduction. I have also seen them walking together at the turn to Soi 4. If you see two slim girls with metal braces, the taller one is the girl from my recent report. Looking forward to your reports on Thermae, etc. Enjoy BKK, AR.

Hi guys, I am returning to BK after a very, very long absence. I imagine things have changed a lot. Last time I stayed in some towers just off Sukhumvit. There were two towers / high rise blocks but only one had a reception. You could walk a short distance from them to the old Bier Keller, which I gather is no more. I cannot seem to find this accommdation online and cannot remember the actual name. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

[QUOTE=WhizzKid;3030578]Hi guys, I am returning to BK after a very, very long absence. I imagine things have changed a lot. Last time I stayed in some towers just off Sukhumvit. There were two towers / high rise blocks but only one had a reception. You could walk a short distance from them to the old Bier Keller, which I gather is no more. I cannot seem to find this accommdation online and cannot remember the actual name. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?[/QUOTE]Ambassador Hotel in Soi 11?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3028747]I was damned impressed. She popped my 12+ year long Thermae girl BBBJCIM cherry! And this is hot on the heels of just a few months ago an above average cutie in Thermae agreeing in the place to BBFSCIP with me for 3,000, no, wait 4 seconds, 2,500 baht! My assessment of Thermae as a place for Real Sex and a successful BBBJCIM has improved by leaps and bounds over the past 12 months.[/QUOTE]Given the long string of grief posts ET has made about Thermae girls providing Real Sex services, this deserves an [b]attaboy[/b]. Hopefully the streak continues and we see many more such reports of joy.

Sharing a recent experience. A month ago I spotted a fresh face. Tall girl who quoted a very reasonable THB1500, so I took a chance without negotiating any specific services. Back in the room at Ruamchitt I was very pleased with the package. Although a larger frame, she had no fat, no baby, firm tits, tight bum and a nicely trimmed box. After showering, it was on to the bed and she started with very enthusiastic deep kissing which shifted to eager BBBJ. It wasn't quite deep throat, but it was a valiant effort. When it came to the main course, however, I was firmly palm blocked. No convincing could change the script, so it was on with the bag, but I asked if I could finish in her mouth. She nodded, so I pounded away, mercifully got to the climax point, pulled out, ripped off the bag as I moved up to her mouth and she clamped on and took the load in her mouth. Good girl. We exchanged LINE at her request.

Normally this would be where the relationship ends, but she pinged me again the following week with an urgent tone request to meet again. I sensed her need, so replied that we could meet up, but I would have to experience her lovely pussy naturally. She hemmed and hawed about safety, but eventually made a quote of THB5000, which I countered her to be "reasonable" at THB4000. Deal accepted. Session 2 featured all the enthusiastic appetizers of the first, but she couldn't wait to jump on top and cowgirled me like a girlfriend in heat. I love a girl who holds her end of a deal. Swiched to mish and after a nice bit of stroking I unloaded the nut with maximum penetration. What made it much more satisfying is that she didn't immediately want to jump up to go shower, but we just lied there and soft kissed as my dick whithered to soft stage. Romantic as it gets for me. The truly happy ending to this story is not that I got what I wanted. Rather, as we ran into each other again last week, she agreed to repeat at THB2000 with everything. So it showed me that it is not impossible to convert a limited service girl to a full service regular at a reasonable rate. Noted to self. Need to think of long term possibilities more often. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030725]Given the long string of grief posts ET has made about Thermae girls providing Real Sex services, this deserves an [b]attaboy[/b]. Hopefully the streak continues and we see many more such reports of joy.

Sharing a recent experience. A month ago I spotted a fresh face. Tall girl who quoted a very reasonable THB1500, so I took a chance without negotiating any specific services. Back in the room at Ruamchitt I was very pleased with the package. Although a larger frame, she had no fat, no baby, firm tits, tight bum and a nicely trimmed box. After showering, it was on to the bed and she started with very enthusiastic deep kissing which shifted to eager BBBJ. It wasn't quite deep throat, but it was a valiant effort. When it came to the main course, however, I was firmly palm blocked. No convincing could change the script, so it was on with the bag, but I asked if I could finish in her mouth. She nodded, so I pounded away, mercifully got to the climax point, pulled out, ripped off the bag as I moved up to her mouth and she clamped on and took the load in her mouth. Good girl. We exchanged LINE at her request..[/QUOTE]Imagine a Real Sex / BBFSCIP session provided by a presumably above average looking girl met in Thermae within 12 months! One with you and one with me. And based on the description of your girl, it wasn't even the same girl!

We BBFSCIP preference punters are really on roll with Thermae girls.

Ok, in your case it wasn't a first session BBFSCIP. But at least yours made the call to initiate a 2nd session, which generally gives the BBFSCIP preferred punter an advantage in requesting a Real Sex agreement be made upfront. [B]Attaboy back at you, AR[/B]!

That has not yet happened for me with my recent BBBJCIM Thermae girl. She has not Lined me since that night and I have not Lined her either.

While, as you say, it is not impossible to convert a limited service girl to a full service or I would say a Real Sex regular at a reasonable rate, the vast majority of No To BBFSCIP girls I have repeated with even 3, 4, a half-dozen or more times have not eventually agreed to BBFSCIP with me. In my experience with the girls I take for a 1st session, if it doesn't happen in that 1st session or is not strongly communicated that it will happen in subsequent sessions, it doesn't happen in subsequent sessions.

As always, YMMV.

Sounds like the old Grand President. Lobby to the left as you enter. Second tower to the right with no reception.

[QUOTE=WhizzKid;3030578]Hi guys, I am returning to BK after a very, very long absence. I imagine things have changed a lot. Last time I stayed in some towers just off Sukhumvit. There were two towers / high rise blocks but only one had a reception. You could walk a short distance from them to the old Bier Keller, which I gather is no more. I cannot seem to find this accommdation online and cannot remember the actual name. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;3030799]Sounds like the old Grand President. Lobby to the left as you enter. Second tower to the right with no reception.[/QUOTE]The Grand Pres had 3 towers in total. The main tower with reception is now called the Pippa Hotel. Tower 2 I believe is now called the Aira Hotel. Tower 3, located across Soi 11, is now called Eleven Hotel. Any other hotel questions would be best asked in the Bangkok Hotel section.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3028897]Being now also above 50, I have been successful as well with younger, prettier girls. They all stayed overnight without asking for more money (they must have liked the hotel rooms).

Great report![/QUOTE]Hi mate, I tried to PM you to ask for Tram's contact details but I couldn't find way to contact you, could you please help me, thanks bro.

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[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030096]Had a most enjoyable natural sex session with a freelance 21 yo freshie uni student yesterday evening. She said it was her first time doing P4 P. With her shy demeanor, braces, 40 kg frame, Acup tits and ultra tight box, if only she was wearing her black and white uniform she would have been the ideal girl I lust for while riding the MRT.

Anyway, once she came out of the shower, she casually said "Cash or QR", just like I hear when I am paying the bill at a restaurant. This is now the second P4 P girl in as many months that has indicated it is okay for QR payment. My experience with QR payments is that while the receiver will not see your bank account details, they will see your full name as part of the transfer. This to me is a no-go as I don't want any P4 P girl to have even my real first name (I always use a stage name for P4 P), so I just paid in cash. Question for those in the know, is my understanding of QR payment correct? Or is there a way to use QR payment in a way that my personal information is anonymous to the recipient? Enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]To "suggest" you met a university student on the MRT and leaving readers wondering, "Did he really? Is not fair. If anything tell us what your opening line to her was?

Without it was a Mystery story. Not even sure you met her on the MRT?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3030738]We BBFSCIP preference punters are really on roll with Thermae girls.[/QUOTE]I am encouraged, but it would take quite a bit more consistency and durability to up my star rating, especially for the services I consider important to me. Although I had relegated Thermae many years ago, I have recently reconsidered given the change in dynamic. Now that the Japanese clientele has receded (both in absolute numbers as well as purchasing power of the remainder) with the massive decline of the Japanese Yen, I have observed a significant vacuum into which Koreans, Chinese (mainland mostly), Arabs and even Indians and Africans have stepped in.

This is driven by social media and the changing dynamic of tourism. Take this example of a Chinese sex tourism influencer describe the "Shemei Coffee" scene. [URL]https://youtu.be/pPvlaBRLnsk?si=0opKwM_5N27MPXre&t=170[/URL].

I found the subtitled commentary interesting, enlightening and brutal. First, I concur the student / part-time freelancer image is a delusion. The reality is that a high majority of girls are full-time fixtures, so frequent visitors will see the same girls night after night. Second, the narrator makes a claim that some cliques of girls maintain LINE groups where the girls gossip and compare notes about the punters (which ones are tourists, etc). So as punters are using social media to identify better providers, the girls are using it to identify easier punters. Third, the narrator puts Thermae / Shemei as better cost performance than a go-go bar, but suggests an eye-popping budget of THB6000-10000 for a Thermae pickup! This is just one influencer with a small following (hope it stays that way), but I see many many similar channels from Asian punters.

So where does this leave the long nose? Well, I think whitey can just as easily play a part to fill the vacuum now that the clientele is gradually becoming a model UN. I have seen pretty much every type pulling girls, so preferences and prejudices have broadened. There is opportunity. But it is not like it was before, so it may require reframing ones mindset and approach to make the most of the new environment. Enjoy BKK, AR.

A couple of Rainbow 5 girls had the Surgery.

In my years of Observation I rarely see an uptick in interest because they are bigger.

Am I wrong.

Does it Matter? I mean in a big Way. Ex. A one Barfine a month girl goes to 5 a Month.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030936]I am encouraged, but it would take quite a bit more consistency and durability to up my star rating, especially for the services I consider important to me. Although I had relegated Thermae many years ago, I have recently reconsidered given the change in dynamic. Now that the Japanese clientele has receded (both in absolute numbers as well as purchasing power of the remainder) with the massive decline of the Japanese Yen, I have observed a significant vacuum into which Koreans, Chinese (mainland mostly), Arabs and even Indians and Africans have stepped in.

This is driven by social media and the changing dynamic of tourism. Take this example of a Chinese sex tourism influencer describe the "Shemei Coffee" scene. [URL]https://youtu.be/pPvlaBRLnsk?si=0opKwM_5N27MPXre&t=170[/URL].

I found the subtitled commentary interesting, enlightening and brutal. First, I concur the student / part-time freelancer image is a delusion. The reality is that a high majority of girls are full-time fixtures, so frequent visitors will see the same girls night after night. Second, the narrator makes a claim that some cliques of girls maintain LINE groups where the girls gossip and compare notes about the punters (which ones are tourists, etc). So as punters are using social media to identify better providers, the girls are using it to identify easier punters.[/QUOTE]Could you maybe message me on here. I was wondering if we could hang out for a bit. I can buy you a drink at thermae.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]I'm a white guy who goes there every night when on vacation. Yes I notice the same girls night after night. I'd estimate that the majority of them are full time sex workers. A minority do it on the side. I'm a decent looking guy but I got rejected a lot in the past. My social skills have improved a bit this time and I find that I'm doing a bit better. It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most. And then some older obese Japanese guy walks away with her, but that's life. Got to man up son!

There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size.

She was a really sweet woman, really good experience but the poor woman was in pain half the time. I regret pushing for it by paying extra. I ended the session early. I felt bad for her afterward.

Another thing,

I'm still trying to stop making the mistake of settling for "be-grade" girls partly due to a lack of options. That's why I need to find an alternative to thermae.

I want to meet girls who have something else going on in life besides full time sex work. Like the uni student you fucked recently. (BTW I checked that place out twice and unfortunately I didn't see them.

May I ask, what do you think are the best alternatives to thermae for meeting girls who do sex work on the side.

Like which places will have the highest percent of office workers, students etc that do sex work on the side.[/QUOTE]TF app is the best place to find part-timers.

If you want a good going over with a hot girl guaranteed, then go and get an outcall from one of the many MP shops, prices are more or less the the same as you'll spend in Thermae, but service will most likely be hotter.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]I'm a white guy who goes there every night when on vacation. Yes I notice the same girls night after night. I'd estimate that the majority of them are full time sex workers. A minority do it on the side. I'm a decent looking guy but I got rejected a lot in the past. My social skills have improved a bit this time and I find that I'm doing a bit better. It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most. And then some older obese Japanese guy walks away with her, but that's life. Got to man up son!

There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size.

She was a really sweet woman, really good experience but the poor woman was in pain half the time. I regret pushing for it by paying extra. I ended the session early. I felt bad for her afterward.

Another thing,

I'm still trying to stop making the mistake of settling for "be-grade" girls partly due to a lack of options. That's why I need to find an alternative to thermae.[/QUOTE]Thermae. I'm in there 6 to 10 times a year and the stock rotates constantly.

Wow2222, I am very reluctant to buy the girl's story that your dick was too big. LOL. So how was the foreplay? Did you guys fool around in the shower together? Did she give you a good BBBJ? Did you go down on her to get her juices flowing? Th answer to these questions will tell the tale. It is far more likely that she just did not want to do you with any enthusiasm and that she did not want to turn down the overly generous offer. I could be wrong but doubt it.

In any case, Thermae is not my kind of place. I am a Go Go, nightclub, and soapy kind of punter. I think you will find more accommodating girls in the better Go Go's and nightclubs and you can test drive these girls to establish a connection and make sure the vibe between you is good. In the higher end and better soapys, one relies on the bordello's reputation which guarantees a certain minimum level of performance / satisfaction and from there depending on the girl and the vibe you can hit the jackpot with a little luck. I never fool around with amateurs. It is a waste of time unless you are living in Thailand, have a lot of time on your hands, and can speak Thai fluently.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]I'm a white guy who goes there every night when on vacation. Yes I notice the same girls night after night. I'd estimate that the majority of them are full time sex workers. A minority do it on the side. I'm a decent looking guy but I got rejected a lot in the past. My social skills have improved a bit this time and I find that I'm doing a bit better. It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most. And then some older obese Japanese guy walks away with her, but that's life. Got to man up son!

There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size.

She was a really sweet woman, really good experience but the poor woman was in pain half the time. I regret pushing for it by paying extra. I ended the session early. I felt bad for her afterward.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]I'm a white guy who goes there every night when on vacation. Yes I notice the same girls night after night. I'd estimate that the majority of them are full time sex workers. A minority do it on the side. I'm a decent looking guy but I got rejected a lot in the past. My social skills have improved a bit this time and I find that I'm doing a bit better. It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most. And then some older obese Japanese guy walks away with her, but that's life. Got to man up son!

There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size.
[/QUOTE]Hi, I take it you paid a "premium" to meet this lady? I personally would not pay more to meet a lady who in a sense discriminates against me. I would not reward that behavior, as there are other ladies to choose from.

However, if that was her standard rate, then sorry for misunderstanding the situation. I want to politely mention these are my personal thoughts and everyone is different. I also do appreciate you sharing this story.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most.[/QUOTE]Yes, the reason why most whiteys struggle with Thermae is that they are not used to any rejection. In this situation, it will help to put the past aside and reframe to the present. Now many of the girls have choices, but it is not a foregone conclusion that precludes you from getting what you want from a provider you want.

[QUOTE]There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size. She was a really sweet woman, really good experience but the poor woman was in pain half the time. I regret pushing for it by paying extra. I ended the session early. I felt bad for her afterward.[/QUOTE]Don't regret. Good on you for getting what you wanted. Learn to improve and optimize for success. Gentle suggestion. Having been in a tight Asian box or two over the years, I have a little bottle of silicone-based lubricant on hand. I recommend ID or Pjur brands. Girl will be a lot more comfortable than the guy who depends on the "spit and hit" method.

[QUOTE]May I ask, what do you think are the best alternatives to thermae for meeting girls who do sex work on the side.[/QUOTE]I think there are many guys looking for the same. Call them civvies, non-pros, etc, many prefer a girl who isn't a prostitute, but is willing to be a prostitute. IMHO, this is just a mental hangup and just adds unnecessary dimensions to the list of physical and service characteristics that should be primary concerns. As to the options, I see several good replies, most notable are the suggestions for Thai Friendly and massage parlors. There are dedicated threads on both of these options. Ever since the closure of Nana Disco and the Nipponification of Thermae, everybody has been looking for the easy pick up joint in lower Sukhimvit. Unfortunately all such brick and mortar freelance venues since have either failed or come up short. Good luck and enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3031324]"...Call them civvies, non-pros, etc, many prefer a girl who isn't a prostitute, but is willing to be a prostitute. ... Ever since the closure of Nana Disco and the Nipponification of Thermae, everybody has been looking for the easy pick up joint in lower Sukhimvit. Unfortunately all such brick and mortar freelance venues since have either failed or come up short. Good luck and enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]Just remember, there is a little bit of working girl in every lady and a little bit of lady in every working girl.

As for freelance venues since the original Nana Disco, anybody had the guts to check out the basement club at the Grace Hotel recently? "In its day", pickings were comparable to the Thermae at the time (30 years ago).

Sam.

So I've been to Toy Bar and Aftersk**l and enjoyed the scene, but I'm interested to find a place where there's out-in-the-open sex acts between punters and the WGs. I'm picturing guys getting blown and girls getting fingered. I know that this is available in Pattaya, but I don't want to travel there. It seems that nobody knows where to get this kind of freak on in BKK.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3031324]I have a little bottle of silicone-based lubricant on hand. I recommend ID or Pjur brands. Girl will be a lot more comfortable than the guy who depends on the "spit and hit" method. .[/QUOTE]Me too! I keep a bottle in the hotel room and recently purchased a small bottle that rides in my cargo pocket if I'm going out hunting. Some of these girls are quite small!

[QUOTE=VicVeg;2898236]I went to Bangkok alone for a week. I stayed at Raumuchitt hotel. It is a good location between Nana plaza and soi cowboy, and near Thermae and the train. There is a short time hotel here for Thermae, so lots of traffic. And with Thermae next door, if you get a girl, it is a short walk to the hotel.

First night, I ordered an outcall massage to my room. Fa massage. Good girl, she wanted 4000 b for sex. After just an ok massage, I said what the hell and paid it and gave her the business. I love it when a girl loses control. This girl was young and horny and loved the sex. She gave me a robust kiss while I pounded her in mish.

Everyday I would walk around sukhumvit road. Being over 50, I really have to conserve my nuts so I can perform when I want to. But with boredom, I would go get a massage, and they seem to all lead to more. I purposely went to a professional spa for a massage, and the girl offered me a 1000 b HJ or 2000 b for BBBJ. I got the BJ, and she was toothy, so I had her kneel and came in her mouth. How wonderful BKK is!!

I tried an online escort service with beautiful pics of russian / european girls. I purposely told them to not send a girl if her pics were not real. They promised they were. They had me give them my name and room number in my hotel. They sent the girl, she comes to my room, and it was NOT the same girl. She was older, fake tits and lips, and not young. So dissapointing. What a mistake. And an expensive one 7500 b. I didn't want drama so I let her in, and she was an ok girl, with a good BBBJ, but wouldn't allow DATY, not that I wanted it with her, and complained about the sex lasting too long. The other online russian girl escort service I found online was flaky and didn't respond to LINE texts for long periods of time. They promised the pics were real too, but I didn't trust them. What a lesson learned. If its too good to be true, it is. Hot and young russians for 7500 when the hot russians on massagerepublic are asking for 10,000 b or more. So it was a big scam. I do trust massagerepublic more.[/QUOTE]Planning my second visit and this FR is of help. Replying so that this FR stays on top for others like who are planning their trips.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3031324]Gentle suggestion. Having been in a tight Asian box or two over the years, I have a little bottle of silicone-based lubricant on hand. I recommend ID or Pjur brands. Girl will be a lot more comfortable than the guy who depends on the "spit and hit" method.[/QUOTE]I agree that silicone based lubricants feel better than water based lubricants, but the big advantage is they don't get sticky and they last longer. The problem is they sometimes leave stains on fabrics that don't come out in standard cold water wash cycle, such as used at most Thai laundries. If you get that stuff on your clothes, I recommend you pretreat/scrub the stains before you send to the laundry. Good water based lubricants (e.g., KY Liquid or Astro Glide Gel) are almost as good as silicone and they don't give problems in the laundry. Don't expect any water based lubricant to last through 20 minutes of pumping the old gal before dumping.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3031247]Thermae. I'm in there 6 to 10 times a year and the stock rotates constantly.[/QUOTE]Yes, but to be fair, there are a lot of regulars as well and the problem I find is the regulars that you don't want to necessarily repeat with have an awful habit of remembering you even a year later! As happened me last week.

Between getting grabbed by one, harassed by a mangy plump MILF that didn't want to take no for an answer and a psychopath, I could get out of there quick enough this time.

The psychopath, realising I was in town, hung around the entrance of my hotel the following evening and tried to follow me when I was going for dinner. I wouldn't mind but she had been so disappointing that when I have picked her up before, I cut it short because she had been so bad. Obviously hadn't taken the hint.

All these vloggers are sneaking in cameras both inside and outside thermae that if you want to be discreet with your mongering. Then this is not for you. Or where a facemask. The girls I chatted with all wanted 2 k. Definitely like a HS Prom atmosphere.

My hotel seems to be a 10 min cab ride from Nana Plaza (37 min walk). Are freelancers ok with jumping into a cab?

[QUOTE=PgReal;3031501]Yes, but to be fair, there are a lot of regulars as well and the problem I find is the regulars that you don't want to necessarily repeat with have an awful habit of remembering you even a year later! As happened me last week.

Between getting grabbed by one, harassed by a mangy plump MILF that didn't want to take no for an answer and a psychopath, I could get out of there quick enough this time.

The psychopath, realising I was in town, hung around the entrance of my hotel the following evening and tried to follow me when I was going for dinner. I wouldn't mind but she had been so disappointing that when I have picked her up before, I cut it short because she had been so bad. Obviously hadn't taken the hint.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PgReal;3031501]Yes, but to be fair, there are a lot of regulars as well and the problem I find is the regulars that you don't want to necessarily repeat with have an awful habit of remembering you even a year later! As happened me last week.

Between getting grabbed by one, harassed by a mangy plump MILF that didn't want to take no for an answer and a psychopath, I could get out of there quick enough this time.

The psychopath, realising I was in town, hung around the entrance of my hotel the following evening and tried to follow me when I was going for dinner. I wouldn't mind but she had been so disappointing that when I have picked her up before, I cut it short because she had been so bad. Obviously hadn't taken the hint.[/QUOTE]It's a tough old world when you're popular with the ladies.

Its something that I find interesting so please let us know if you found any place. Which place in Pattaya has it. The particular club?

[QUOTE=TKOman;3031365]So I've been to Toy Bar and Aftersk**l and enjoyed the scene, but I'm interested to find a place where there's out-in-the-open sex acts between punters and the WGs. I'm picturing guys getting blown and girls getting fingered. I know that this is available in Pattaya, but I don't want to travel there. It seems that nobody knows where to get this kind of freak on in BKK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Justdatip;3031535]All these vloggers are sneaking in cameras both inside and outside thermae that if you want to be discreet with your mongering. Then this is not for you. Or where a facemask. The girls I chatted with all wanted 2 k. Definitely like a HS Prom atmosphere.[/QUOTE]If you see somebody with a camera or what you think is a camera tell the stuff. Cameras are not appreciated in there.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3031501]The psychopath, realising I was in town, hung around the entrance of my hotel the following evening and tried to follow me when I was going for dinner. I wouldn't mind but she had been so disappointing that when I have picked her up before, I cut it short because she had been so bad. Obviously hadn't taken the hint.[/QUOTE]Hi, this is a classic, but a bit creepy too. Just out of curiosity, was this a younger lady, older lady? Did you spend a few hours with her? She must have been truly smitten with you as she hung outside of a hotel.

[QUOTE=OneParkPlacee;3031562]My hotel seems to be a 10 min cab ride from Nana Plaza (37 min walk). Are freelancers ok with jumping into a cab?[/QUOTE]I've never used a cab with hookers, but I use tuk tuks frequently with bar girls and never had a problem. Tuk tuks are much faster than cabs. I usually take street freelancers to a nearby short time hotel or walk to my hotel, though I don't think they would have a problem getting into a tuk tuk.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3030100]When you scan their QR code it does not send your bank account information or your name to the receipient. It sends a masked account number and a transaction ID. At least it doesn't with the 2 banks I tested sending each way. Bangkok Bank and Kaiskorn. If you do a transfer using their account number your information and Name is sent along with the transaction.[/QUOTE]TAGTHAi Easy Pay.

Go to a KASIKORNBANK (KBank) foreign exchange booth with your passport. Exchange foreign currency for Thai Baht and load it onto a prepaid card called "Pay&Tour". Register the prepaid card in the TAGTHAi app on your phone. When the app is used to scan PromptPay QR codes, the payment is deducted from the balance on your prepaid card, not from your bank account.

Anonymity: Though the service is linked to your passport, recipients only sees a transaction from the TAGTHAi system, not your name.

TrueMoney Wallet (requires Thai SIM).

This option requires more setup but provides a way to make QR payments without using your personal bank account. Purchase a local Thai SIM card, available at any 7-Eleven. Download the TrueMoney app. You may need to change your App Store or Play Store region. Register for a TrueMoney account using your Thai phone number and verify your identity with your passport. Top up the wallet with cash at a 7-Eleven by showing a barcode from the app. Use the TrueMoney app to scan and pay any PromptPay QR code.

Anonymity: Though the service is linked to your passport, recipients only see a transaction from TrueMoney.

[QUOTE=TKOman;3031365]So I've been to Toy Bar and Aftersk**l and enjoyed the scene, but I'm interested to find a place where there's out-in-the-open sex acts between punters and the WGs. I'm picturing guys getting blown and girls getting fingered. I know that this is available in Pattaya, but I don't want to travel there. It seems that nobody knows where to get this kind of freak on in BKK.[/QUOTE]Yes, Toy Bar and Afterskool are not bad places on Cowboy for a change of pace; Mooshine Joint, Jungle Jim's, Toy Bar and Fannies are / were all operated by the same lady owner. (I've known her since she was 15 years old and that was 30 years ago. LOL).

"Out in the open" blow job bars. First one I went to in BKK was either Star of Light or Star of Love. Star of Light was on Patpong Road 1. I have no idea if either of these places made a comeback after covid. I hear they shut down in the early 2000's. But no need to book a short time room if you just wanted to get a blowjob standing up at the bar or a quickie on a nearby sofa (so I've been told by a friend; LOL).

Sam.

Wow, can't believe I was charged 60 baht extra for ice which they served with my beer at T Ded 99. The beer itself wasn't too bad at 170 baht for a 750 ML bottle.

Ladies are so and so. 95% girl next door type in the 5 to 7 ratings category. 1 or 2 at 7.5 rating tops.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3031623]If you see somebody with a camera or what you think is a camera tell the stuff. Cameras are not appreciated in there.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, the camera guys really anger me, at the same time I would not be surprised at all if Thermae themselves allow a bit of filming to go on from time to time. Sure I can't think of any better form of advertising for them especially if you consider certain times like after Covid or even recently tourist numbers are a good bit down.

Thermae has been made world famous through these videos!

Another part of me says don't worry too much either, a lot of the videos say 'shot yesterday, 'or last week' but all they are are rehashes of stuff filmed years ago, there is one doing the rounds and sure 90% of the girls have face masks on, so clearly shot during the pandemic.

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3031624]Hi, this is a classic, but a bit creepy too. Just out of curiosity, was this a younger lady, older lady? Did you spend a few hours with her? She must have been truly smitten with you as she hung outside of a hotel.[/QUOTE]Smitten I doubt it, thought I was loose with my cash more like it.

My mistake was when I wanted to cut short our original bedroom antics (ST from Thermae) because she was crap and starting to freak me out I took the polite nicely nicely approach of 'oh I am jet lagged, ' I need to get up very early for a business meeting', instead of being honest and saying 'f off with yourself, you are boring me'. I thought it would be easier at the time. I also paid her. I take the attitude that if I pick badly then it's on me. If someone turns out to be a lousy fuck and I want to end it early, I usually still pay them.

Now if they try and rob me, or scam me that's a different story. I had a a crap punt last night (not in Thailand), I arranged a 40 minute OWO session, agreed a price. She tried to get more money out of me in the room, then the first thing that came out before she even touched me was a condom. I tried to walk out there and then, but she relented on the condom but proceeded to think she could jack me off in 5 minutes flat. She failed miserably and then started giving out to me for not 'cumming' and started ordering me to cum. Jesus I went off on one serious rant at her. No more Mr nice guy from now on, I am sick of them. She was crying and trying to pay me back before I left. Scared of me giving her a crap review I imagine.

Anyway the Thermae Psycho, she was younger than me but still getting on in years, I'd say mid / late 30's but attractive enough, slim, nice enough figure, good English, was chatty and friendly in Thermae.

The red flags starting flashing in the room pretty quick however, she kept going on about her money woes, she was very reluctant to take her clothes off and was talking constantly about 100 miles an hour (she had good English). Then when she started abusing my body with her 0 out of 10 massage, she started telling me that she was a trained masseuse and that she'd come back tomorrow to give me a 2 hours professional Thai Massage. I think that was the final straw for me.

It's not the first time I've encountered Thai girls with split (disturbing personalities), I had a stalker on TF last year, she got very aggressive when I won't meet her a 2nd time (she was great the first time), she tried to get into my hotel room and everything, the hotel had to get security to deal with her etc.

I find quite a few Thai girls quite desperate I suppose for want of a better word, very short fuses if things are going all their own way. LT encounters don't appeal to me anymore in Thailand I thread carefully nowadays. The prime goal of maximum money extraction is a turn off and I'd always advise newcomers to the game to thread carefully as it's a jungle out there.

Clearly I am a borne romantic! Haha.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3031501]Yes, but to be fair, there are a lot of regulars as well and the problem I find is the regulars that you don't want to necessarily repeat with have an awful habit of remembering you even a year later! As happened me last week.

Between getting grabbed by one, harassed by a mangy plump MILF that didn't want to take no for an answer and a psychopath, I could get out of there quick enough this time.

The psychopath, realising I was in town, hung around the entrance of my hotel the following evening and tried to follow me when I was going for dinner. I wouldn't mind but she had been so disappointing that when I have picked her up before, I cut it short because she had been so bad. Obviously hadn't taken the hint.[/QUOTE]Very pale European more like it, I stand out! Sure walked into a hotel lobby last week after a year and the concierge remembered me!

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3031657]Yes, Toy Bar and Afterskool are not bad places on Cowboy for a change of pace; Mooshine Joint, Jungle Jim's, Toy Bar and Fannies are / were all operated by the same lady owner. (I've known her since she was 15 years old and that was 30 years ago. LOL).

"Out in the open" blow job bars. First one I went to in BKK was either Star of Light or Star of Love. Star of Light was on Patpong Road 1. I have no idea if either of these places made a comeback after covid. I hear they shut down in the early 2000's. But no need to book a short time room if you just wanted to get a blowjob standing up at the bar or a quickie on a nearby sofa (so I've been told by a friend; LOL)..[/QUOTE]I was told Afterskool and Moonshine Joint were recently sold. Not sure about the others listed here. I visited Moonshine several weeks ago. Now you get your BJ or handjob at the end of the bar as before but another lady holds up a blanket shielding you and your girl from the view of other customers. I was told the new owner required this. I avoided Fanny's and Toy as they have ladyboys mixed with real girls.

[QUOTE=Howie;3031663]Wow, can't believe I was charged 60 baht extra for ice which they served with my beer at T Ded 99..[/QUOTE]An ice surcharge is quite standard in bars across Thailand. But you normally getting a bucket worth of ice for that not just a couple of ice cubes.

I wanted to try an online escort agency so I wrote a few, bkkescorts4 you was very responsive. I chose a few girls, they sent more pics, chose one, they gave me the incall hotel (some offer outcall at a higher price). I had to walk 20 mins from the tram stop which was rough. She was a good girl, but they fibbed on the age, and she had many more tats than showed in the pics. But she performed well. I had taken some Viagra, but who needs it with big fake boobs, a nice face, and a flat stomach. I asked for CIM, she said ok for 500 more. She sucked like a champ and didn't quit. So nice.

For the price, which is approx. Double the cost of the Thermae girls, you get a better girl, one who knows how to bang, suck etc. And one who chose that profession. Thermae girls might just dabble in it, often approach it like a hobby. After a few minutes they get sore, tired etc etc. The agency girls can perform, they have the agency to worry about upsetting.

I was in Thermae and a hot girl was asking for 4000 and many guys said no, but she finally got an Asian guy. Who knows if she performed well for that money. I would trust an agency girl to perform better most of the time.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;3031873]I wanted to try an online escort agency so I wrote a few, bkkescorts4 you was very responsive. I chose a few girls, they sent more pics, chose one, they gave me the incall hotel (some offer outcall at a higher price). I had to walk 20 mins from the tram stop which was rough. She was a good girl, but they fibbed on the age, and she had many more tats than showed in the pics. But she performed well. I had taken some Viagra, but who needs it with big fake boobs, a nice face, and a flat stomach. I asked for CIM, she said ok for 500 more. She sucked like a champ and didn't quit. So nice.

For the price, which is approx. Double the cost of the Thermae girls, you get a better girl, one who knows how to bang, suck etc. And one who chose that profession. Thermae girls might just dabble in it, often approach it like a hobby. After a few minutes they get sore, tired etc etc. The agency girls can perform, they have the agency to worry about upsetting.

I was in Thermae and a hot girl was asking for 4000 and many guys said no, but she finally got an Asian guy. Who knows if she performed well for that money. I would trust an agency girl to perform better most of the time.[/QUOTE]If you want certainty what the girl looks like and a reasonable chance of a good performance you are better off going to a massage parlour.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3031717]It's not the first time I've encountered Thai girls with split (disturbing personalities)...
I find quite a few Thai girls quite desperate I suppose for want of a better word, very short fuses if things are going all their own way. LT encounters don't appeal to me anymore in Thailand I thread carefully nowadays. The prime goal of maximum money extraction is a turn off and I'd always advise newcomers to the game to thread carefully as it's a jungle out there.[/QUOTE]Agree, but one further thing I think you haven't factored in to clearly avoid.

Like anywhere in the world sex workers often have substance abuse problems, and Thai women, especially older in Bangkok and Pattaya, even more so.

My most psychotic behavior experiences encountered, have always been traceable back to substances (mostly hard drugs).

I wanted to give all the options on and around soi 33 a chance. I stopped into many Nuru shops and was not impressed. Yet it was early in the afternoon. I stopped into a BJ bar, and liked the girl, so went for it. She was so cute. I wanted to play with her fake boobs, it was 300 baht extra. She said she would go to my hotel for sex after her shift. After a great BBBJ, I asked for sex in the shop and she wanted 3000. I asked for 2000, she said ok. I wanted DATY, she said no, not there. The sex was good, but there was blood, I think she started her period. Thus I am glad I didn't DATY.

But leave it to Thailand where the BJ bar girl is so hot you can't resist her, want more and more. Got to love it. If only we lived closer we would go a lot more.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3032022]Agree, but one further thing I think you haven't factored in to clearly avoid.

Like anywhere in the world sex workers often have substance abuse problems, and Thai women, especially older in Bangkok and Pattaya, even more so.

My most psychotic behavior experiences encountered, have always been traceable back to substances (mostly hard drugs).[/QUOTE]Good to know and you are right it wasn't something I was really thinking about. From what you are saying it sounds like it's quite a significant issue, like a significant percentage of users amongst sex workers in BKK?

Stopped in. Another young hottie was standing there and guys were either intimidated or the ones who approached her soon left her. I think she was asking for 4000 or more while most girls ask for 3000. And she probably wouldn't agree to BBBJ etc. Just my guess. Most guys can stiff out some drama, low performance, and complaints: leg hurts, pussy hurts, don't mess up my hair / makeup etc and thus stay away.

I liked one girl, went for it. She was older but had a good face. In the room, she had baby damage. And was really weird. She went into a licking phase where she licked by nipples, armpit, nuts etc, but not my Johnson. So sad. Then she put on the condom and hopped on to not much action. I flipped her over and she could take some pounding so it was ok. In doggy, she didn't arch her back, said it hurt. So I finished in mish. I could definitely feel the difference between her, the amateur, and the pros. Her body was not really good, was skinny in the wrong places etc. And her weird licking was odd. And her lack of emotion during sex was sad. But for 3000 and an easy pickup, it was ok.

Thermae is fun for the experience, but the pros off the websites or in the massage parlors are better performers I think.

Having spent 5 nights in a Cambodia it was time to stop through BKK on the way home. As a fan of a Billboard I decided it was time to bar fine a gogo girl. I had my sights on a girl I had taken before and was very excited to see that she was on the stage when I arrived at about 9. 30 pm. Unfortunately I was too late as she had already been grabbed. Lesson to self, need to get there earlier for the better girls. So I spent the next 30 minutes or so looking for another option but did not really see one that caught my eye. Do not get me wrong, there were a lot of attractive girls, but not what I was looking for. Then I saw her, a younger girl who looked like she was enjoying being in the bar instead of just working in the bar. I decided to walk past her as she was sitting down so that I could check out her body. A second glance and I decided that she was the one. Very nice firm body and while not a stunning looking girl, was nonetheless pretty. After the usual 30 minutes of talking and drinks, I decided to bar fine and off we went. Well, there was a lot to say about this girl. Despite her younger age she knew how to please. Unprompted BBBJ, loved DATY, great DFK and accommodated with so many positions and a real fun about the sex, something that has gone missing with a lot girls. Was a pleasure to spend time with her and enjoy sex with a SYT. WIR, absolutely. Billboard may not be for everyone, but I like the option it gives when I have had enough of beer bars and nightclubs.

After finishing the session I decided to head out to the Soi 7 bars and see what was on offer there for another time. A lot of girls in the small bars and some pretty girls but nothing that I thought warranted attention. I was playing pool in one bar and then noticed a very attractive girl in the bar next to me. Having just finished a session I did not have the energy to go another round but found her fascinating. I decided to get her line and see if I could hook up the next day. I got her details and promised to call her the next day. While Phnom Penh was fun, I love BKK because it always surprises when you least expect it. The night started off in one planned direction and then took a few turns. Life is like a box of chocolates. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Axiata;3032238]Having spent 5 nights in a Cambodia it was time to stop through BKK on the way home. As a fan of a Billboard I decided it was time to bar fine a gogo girl. I had my sights on a girl I had taken before and was very excited to see that she was on the stage when I arrived at about 9. 30 pm. Unfortunately I was too late as she had already been grabbed. Lesson to self, need to get there earlier for the better girls. So I spent the next 30 minutes or so looking for another option but did not really see one that caught my eye. Do not get me wrong, there were a lot of attractive girls, but not what I was looking for. Then I saw her, a younger girl who looked like she was enjoying being in the bar instead of just working in the bar. I decided to walk past her as she was sitting down so that I could check out her body. A second glance and I decided that she was the one. Very nice firm body and while not a stunning looking girl, was nonetheless pretty. After the usual 30 minutes of talking and drinks, I decided to bar fine and off we went. Well, there was a lot to say about this girl. Despite her younger age she knew how to please. Unprompted BBBJ, loved DATY, great DFK and accommodated with so many positions and a real fun about the sex, something that has gone missing with a lot girls. Was a pleasure to spend time with her and enjoy sex with a SYT. WIR, absolutely. Billboard may not be for everyone, but I like the option it gives when I have had enough of beer bars and nightclubs.

After finishing the session I decided to head out to the Soi 7 bars and see what was on offer there for another time. A lot of girls in the small bars and some pretty girls but nothing that I thought warranted attention. I was playing pool in one bar and then noticed a very attractive girl in the bar next to me. Having just finished a session I did not have the energy to go another round but found her fascinating. I decided to get her line and see if I could hook up the next day. I got her details and promised to call her the next day. While Phnom Penh was fun, I love BKK because it always surprises when you least expect it. The night started off in one planned direction and then took a few turns. Life is like a box of chocolates. Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]Is it still 800 Baht ST (Barfine) and 4000 Baht for the lady??

Hello gentlemen,

Is anyone here aware of a working girl with a full irezumi / yakuza tattoo body suit or at least a [B]full[/B] badass back tattoo? I don't care whether she's a freelancer, street girl, online escort, semi-pro on Thai friendly, works in a soapy or go go bar or Thermea or whatever, don't care what she quotes either – as long she's reasonably attractive and has what I want.

Best I found online so far was a girl with the artistic name of Sindy with huge back dragon tattoo in Venus soapy, certainly going to see her if she's around when I'm around.

Anybody knows an establishment where "bad girls" hang out? By that I mean girls who don't like K-POP or whatever and don't sport the schoolgirl look but are into alternative / underground culture, have badass tattoos (not a "cute" little thingy here and there), listen to hard rock etc? Maybe some rock beer bar? I'm fully aware this is not as big thing in the Thai culture as here in Europe and that I'm asking for a rarity.

I found some metal bars online like the Immortal bar but I would guess working girls do not hang out there, right? Unfortunately I won't have enough time to hangout in BKK for weeks so I could work the civvie scene, as my work schedule won't allow that.

Now when I think about it, as I know hardrockers, on average they are pretty fond of beer with the expected body shape as a result so if they want any action it's got to be paid, so would be smart for the working girls to hang around them haha!

I'm planning to do my legwork when I hit the ground, but I love to come with a plan whenever possible.

I banged an Argentinian chick with full back tattoo in Barcelona and she was the best fuck of my life, even when disregaring the tattoo kink. Report on that is overdue, I should share it in the Barcelona thread in the comming days. She's still working BTW, her artistic name is Catalina Sexy.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Allover;3031723]... I visited Moonshine several weeks ago. Now you get your BJ or handjob at the end of the bar as before but another lady holds up a blanket shielding you and your girl from the view of other customers. I was told the new owner required this. I avoided Fanny's and Toy as they have ladyboys mixed with real girls.[/QUOTE]I've never, in 30+ years run into a ladyboy in Fanny's or Toy Bar. Admittedly, it's been a decade since I regularly patronized those bars. Last visit to Toy Bar was last February.

Holding a blanket up while being serviced? I guess new owner doesn't want to shock the puritans touring Soi Cowboy. LOL+.

Moonshine is the only Cowboy bar where I got full service right at the bar. It must've been 25 years ago. For lack of anything better to do, I took a midweek early-afternoon stroll down Cowboy to see what kind of mischief one might be able to find. Starting at Soi 23 I passed Moonshine. I hear "Sam. Sam". I look over and see maybe 3 girls standing outside Moonshine that I don't recognize. Somehow, they remembered me and my name.

They graciously invited me to have a beer inside. Thais can be very welcoming and friendly. Inside, I was the only "guest" and there were maybe 6-8 bar girls. All in street clothes. Occasionally, one would get up and dance on a small stage.

One lady happened to be the pick of the litter and allowed that she was very horny. As I sit on the bar stool, she starts massaging my knee with her pussy. Eventually, she turned around, spread my legs and backed up! This was getting interesting. A couple of tunes later, she unzips my pants, pulls up her dress, and starts fondling my dick. Before I can protest, she pulls her panties aside and inserts junior in her pussy where she continues to grind away. So Moonshine does provide a memorable event for me personally.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Grafspee;3032281]Hello gentlemen,

Is anyone here aware of a working girl with a full irezumi / yakuza tattoo body suit or at least a [B]full[/B] badass back tattoo? I don't care whether she's a freelancer, street girl, online escort, semi-pro on Thai friendly, works in a soapy or go go bar or Thermea or whatever, don't care what she quotes either as long she's reasonably attractive and has what I want.

Best I found online so far was a girl with the artistic name of Sindy with huge back dragon tattoo in Venus soapy, certainly going to see her if she's around when I'm around.

Anybody knows an establishment where "bad girls" hang out? By that I mean girls who don't like K-POP or whatever and don't sport the schoolgirl look but are into alternative / underground culture, have badass tattoos (not a "cute" little thingy here and there), listen to hard rock etc? Maybe some rock beer bar? I'm fully aware this is not as big thing in the Thai culture as here in Europe and that I'm asking for a rarity.

I found some metal bars online like the Immortal bar but I would guess working girls do not hang out there, right? Unfortunately I won't have enough time to hangout in BKK for weeks so I could work the civvie scene, as my work schedule won't allow that.

Now when I think about it, as I know hardrockers, on average they are pretty fond of beer with the expected body shape as a result so if they want any action it's got to be paid, so would be smart for the working girls to hang around them haha!

I'm planning to do my legwork when I hit the ground, but I love to come with a plan whenever possible.

I banged an Argentinian chick with full back tattoo in Barcelona and she was the best fuck of my life, even when disregaring the tattoo kink. Report on that is overdue, I should share it in the Barcelona thread in the comming days. She's still working BTW, her artistic name is Catalina Sexy.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Something like this? Got this one in Pattaya. She charges extra for photos.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3032363]Something like this? Got this one in Pattaya. She charges extra for photos.[/QUOTE]As they say in 'merrica, hell yeah brother!

[QUOTE=Grafspee;3032281]Is anyone here aware of a working girl with a full irezumi / yakuza tattoo body suit or at least a [B]full[/B] badass back tattoo? I don't care whether she's a freelancer, street girl, online escort, semi-pro on Thai friendly, works in a soapy or go go bar or Thermea or whatever, don't care what she quotes either as long she's reasonably attractive and has what I want.[/QUOTE]Sitting on a bike this very evening outside the King Indian Night Club next to Hillary 2 on Soi 4. Seemed to fit your primary requirement. Your call on whether her attractiveness is reasonable or not. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;3032151]Stopped in. Another young hottie was standing there and guys were either intimidated or the ones who approached her soon left her. I think she was asking for 4000 or more while most girls ask for 3000. And she probably wouldn't agree to BBBJ etc. Just my guess. Most guys can stiff out some drama, low performance, and complaints: leg hurts, pussy hurts, don't mess up my hair / makeup etc and thus stay away.

I liked one girl, went for it. She was older but had a good face. In the room, she had baby damage. And was really weird. She went into a licking phase where she licked by nipples, armpit, nuts etc, but not my Johnson. So sad. Then she put on the condom and hopped on to not much action. I flipped her over and she could take some pounding so it was ok. In doggy, she didn't arch her back, said it hurt. So I finished in mish. I could definitely feel the difference between her, the amateur, and the pros. Her body was not really good, was skinny in the wrong places etc. And her weird licking was odd. And her lack of emotion during sex was sad. But for 3000 and an easy pickup, it was ok..[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure the Veterans in the game Realize the best in face and bodies are Guaranteed NOFUN.

The rest are a Crap Shoot.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3032508]I'm pretty sure the Veterans in the game Realize the best in face and bodies are Guaranteed NOFUN.

The rest are a Crap Shoot.[/QUOTE]As long as a few Thermae posts and follow ups are popping up recently, I wanted to report that my "BBBJCIM Cherry-Popping Above Average-Looking Thermae Girl" from a few weeks ago sent me a Line message last night asking for a repeat session. She said she missed me so much and apologized for not calling to ask about seeing me again sooner. It was nice of her to say that.

As with Asian Rain's report where his recent Thermae girl had contacted him again to ask for a repeat session, I told my girl I would be happy to see her again and this very night but this time I wanted to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with her instead of a BBBJCIP like before and offered to pay her more than the 2,500 baht I paid her before if we did that. And I reminded her that I have had a vasectomy and that I have a recent negative HIV and STD blood test result document to show her if she was concerned about those things.

She replied, "Sorry. No bb. Can't have sex without condom".

I told her I understand. Take care. Thanks for getting in touch with me again. And that was the end of discussion about it.

So, UglyAzzMan, your assessment above is closer to the truth in my experience as well and is not confined to just my pre-Covid Thai P4P experiences or my pre year 2000 experiences or my Thermae experiences. It seems to be the general rule for every P4P venue and destination experience I have had in the past 52 years of mongering. But I cannot say there has been "NO FUN' with the best lookers I have been with. Just that they are far less likely to engage in the no-hassle DFK, DATY, BBBJ and BBFSCIP that I define as Real Sex than the below average lookers. It can happen with great lookers. But it has generally required more "no fun" hassle and extra expense just to get them to go through the motions and many will never comply at any reasonable or logical price.

And it isn't as though this Thermae girl was no fun. Far from it. I happen to really enjoy DATY and getting a good BBBJCIM. And that experience with her was fine. But there has been no Real Sex with her by my definition of it. Who knows. Maybe that call will come in from her in another couple of weeks. LOL. Until then, my dance card is still busy with alternative girls. And some very good ones.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3032239]Is it still 800 Baht ST (Barfine) and 4000 Baht for the lady??[/QUOTE]The barfine at Billboard was $700 and I gave the girl $4000 after the deed. Because I an a regular there the mummy allows this although another mummy I dealt with does not and wants you to give the money to her. My last night in BKK I went back to Billboard to bar fine the girl from the previous night however neither that girl or the one as tried to find initially were working. So I looked at what was on offer and there were a few that could have been bar fined. Ain the end I decided on one that had a pretty face and very nice body. Having toured for many years the signals that I look for are attention to detail and what they say they will and will not do. This girl seemed eager and was keen to please in the bar, either a sign that she wanted to play or more likely that she needed a cash withdrawal. As it was my last night and I had a very early start the next day, I decided to bar fine her and see what happens. Back in the room she took a shower and revealed a very tight and toned body with natural breasts and a very pretty face. The sex was solid with many positions but no DFK and DATY that she did not respond to. Offered cover BJ which I declined. WIR, no because Billboard has too many options to bar fine girls that look great but do not give a performance that warrants a repeat. The girl did tell me that some of the mummy's are nasty and make them come back to the bar to collect the money and then do not pay them for a few days. Have not heard that before.

BKK was fun and I will be back again soon.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Axiata;3032533]The barfine at Billboard was $700 and I gave the girl $4000 after the deed. Because I an a regular there the mummy allows this although another mummy I dealt with does not and wants you to give the money to her. .The girl did tell me that some of the mummy's are nasty and make them come back to the bar to collect the money and then do not pay them for a few days. Have not heard that before.[/QUOTE]If mama collects all the money in the club and the girl does not understand English, it is likely the girl will not get her full share.

About a year ago I cut a deal for 1000 bar fine plus 3000 girl fee and mama initially wanted all money given to her. I insisted that I pay the girl after completion of services and mama agreed. At completion of services, I gave the girl 3000 and she was shocked and excited to get all of that money. She didn't speak English, so communication was difficult, but it was clear she didn't expect that much money.

After the girl returns to the bar, mamasan usually collects her fee from the girl. Typically 10% to 20% of whatever payment mama knows about. So, if I have a 3000 baht agreement and I give the girl 500 baht tip, I make it clear that mamasan cannot know about the 500 baht tip. Often mama asks me the next day if I tipped the girl and I tell her no tip. I normally tip mamasan separately, which results in mama telling the girls to treat me well because I am a favored customer. Its worked well for me, but I only have one mamasan that knows me well enough to get favored services. When that mama changes bars, I move to the new bar wherever mama has moved.

[QUOTE=Grafspee;3032281]Is anyone here aware of a working girl with a full irezumi / yakuza tattoo body suit or at least a [B]full[/B] badass back tattoo? .[/QUOTE]These kind of girls are everywhere in Bangkok and Pattaya, but they are no badass girls, it's one of the new trends and they are copying each other thinking it's beautiful.

Mostly you'll see a full back tattoo and some of theme would go for the ass covered also.

In Pattaya you'll find these on the gogo girls or soi6 girls, but they go for the cheap version most of the time, and it's not beautiful to look at.

In Bangkok, many girls in Billboard have it too, and you can clearly see the difference of quality, some of them are very beautifully done.

Regarding the underground scene I think there are not much girls into it (especially international hard rock music), there are some in the Thai rock scenery but they are mostly interested in Thai guys. I've met some in the Rap and r&b underground scene and they were very interesting girls but not easy to come across.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3032528]As long as a few Thermae posts and follow ups are popping up recently, I wanted to report that my "BBBJCIM Cherry-Popping Above Average-Looking Thermae Girl" from a few weeks ago sent me a Line message last night asking for a repeat session. She said she missed me so much and apologized for not calling to ask about seeing me again sooner. It was nice of her to say that.

As with Asian Rain's report where his recent Thermae girl had contacted him again to ask for a repeat session, [b]I told my girl I would be happy to see her again and this very night but this time I wanted to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with her instead of a BBBJCIP like before [/b]and offered to pay her more than the 2,500 baht I paid her before if we did that. And I reminded her that I have had a vasectomy and that I have a recent negative HIV and STD blood test result document to show her if she was concerned about those things..[/QUOTE]Now, dammit, I checked all those alphabets and I know damn well this time I wrote BBBJCIM in that sentence before I submitted the post. The damn AI, auto-complete or spell-check on this site, in my keyboard or wherever the hell it is apparently has a mind of its own and sometimes insists on typing what I jad no intention of typing and somehow changing it whenever it wants.

And I know I am not alone in this. I see what looks to be evidence of it in other members' posts, too.

This is what I typed before AI, auto-complete or spell-check "fixed" it for me:

"I told my girl I would be happy to see her again and this very night but this time I wanted to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with her instead of a [B]BBBJCIM[/B] like before."

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3032363]Something like this? Got this one in Pattaya. She charges extra for photos.[/QUOTE]They're all over Nana gogos.

So I arrive at the gym and there is a new girl. [B]Asian, cute, early 20's with a very slender package.[/B] Welcome addition indeed! Dressed in a tight workout bra top and short leggings that left nothing to the imagination, she went thought the full Gym Thirst Trap routine. Lying side scissors that exposed her crotch. Back streches that pushed her puffy little mound into the air. Deep bends that had her nicely curved bum jutting in my direction. This went on for 30 minutes and she finished her routine by posing in front of the mirror wall for a set of Slide Into My DMs Selfies for her Instagram.

Well, even though I was on the elliptical watching a match on TV the whole time, obviously her activities did not go unnoticed, giving me a horny little buzz. I was going to need a fix. I scrolled through my LINE contacts and found just the thing to quench my thirst. A few hours later I am balls deep in an [B]asian, cute, early 20's with a very slender package[/B] girl. Even had the same longish hair as Gym Girl. That's why we love Thailand, where you don't have to suffer without. Enjoy, AR.

Visited obscession (lady boy), billboard, red dragon, spankys at nana and bad beach, suzie wong, crazy house and long gun at cow boy. Idea was to be in the company of girls in the gogo premises. Overall it was average. Whick will I repeat, bad beach and suzie wong. The one which I will never go, crazy house. Very offensive and rude staff.

As usual, full. Few were outstanding. Approached one, she was not interested but quoted 4000. Approached two others, they all refused. Few were approaching me, I politely kept moving. You say no to few, few say no to you. Karma at its instant mode. Went to grace hotel. There was good line up. 1500 paid. From countery of Roger miller.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3033375]As usual, full. Few were outsatnding. Approached one, she was not interested but quoted 4000. Approached two others, they all refused. Few were approachinhg me, I politely kept moving. You say no to few, few say no to you. Karma at its instant mode. Went to grace hotel. There was good line up. 1500 paid. From countery of Roger miller.[/QUOTE]The Grace? Pray tell us more.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3033375]As usual, full. Few were outsatnding. Approached one, she was not interested but quoted 4000. Approached two others, they all refused. Few were approachinhg me, I politely kept moving. You say no to few, few say no to you. Karma at its instant mode. Went to grace hotel. There was good line up. 1500 paid. From countery of Roger miller.[/QUOTE]I guess success at Thermae depends on:

1) your age.

2) your looks.

3) your race.

4) your manners.

5) the size o your wallet.

If most are in your favour then you will probably find success. Lacking in several departments means certain failure.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3033421]I guess success at Thermae depends on:

1) your age.

2) your looks.

3) your race.

4) your manners.

5) the size o your wallet.

If most are in your favour then you will probably find success. Lacking in several departments means certain failure.[/QUOTE]I'd say 5, 4 and 3 in that order. 1 & 2 not really important.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3033420]The Grace? Pray tell us more.[/QUOTE]Its on soi 3. If you are coming from soi 4, on left side, hardly 50 metres after you crosss sukhmvit road. Its big hotel, most of the clients are from arab, Bangladesh and pakistan. It has walkthrough leading to the reception. On this you find approx 20 WG s of different nationalities looking for customer. I met one iraqi also. Its just a small sample of soi 4, but I found quality was good. (in my opinion).

Please put lot of deo.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3033578]Its on soi 3. If you are coming from soi 4, on left side, hardly 50 metres after you crosss sukhmvit road. Its big hotel, most of the clients are from arab, Bangladesh and pakistan. It has walkthrough leading to the reception. On this you find approx 20 WG s of different nationalities looking for customer. I met one iraqi also. Its just a small sample of soi 4, but I found quality was good. (in my opinion)..[/QUOTE]The Grace was famous for it like 20 years ago, there was a coffee shop too. I wasn't aware there were any FL's there anymore (for years)?

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3033578]Its on soi 3. If you are coming from soi 4, on left side, hardly 50 metres after you crosss sukhmvit road. Its big hotel, most of the clients are from arab, Bangladesh and pakistan. It has walkthrough leading to the reception. On this you find approx 20 WG s of different nationalities looking for customer. I met one iraqi also. Its just a small sample of soi 4, but I found quality was good. (in my opinion).

Please put lot of deo.[/QUOTE]Its on right not on left as I erroneously mentioned in original report.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3033578]Its on soi 3. If you are coming from soi 4, on left side, hardly 50 metres after you crosss sukhmvit road. Its big hotel, most of the clients are from arab, Bangladesh and pakistan. It has walkthrough leading to the reception. On this you find approx 20 WG s of different nationalities looking for customer. I met one iraqi also. Its just a small sample of soi 4, but I found quality was good. (in my opinion).

Please put lot of deo.[/QUOTE]I had a look at the first couple of pages of reviews on [URL]Booking.com[/URL].

Virtually all of them come from people in Muslim countries (predominately Gulf countries). Wonder what those nice religious lads would be doing in Thailand?

What's the situation this Saturday night?

[QUOTE=PgReal;3033630]The Grace was famous for it like 20 years ago, there was a coffee shop too. I wasn't aware there were any FL's there anymore (for years)?[/QUOTE]Here is a video posted about a year ago that might provide an idea. Definitely still an Arab venue, but I never had a problem when I patronized the basement club scene. As I might've mentioned, that club type joint rocked, with lots of free lancers.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxFbfPAM7FA[/URL]

Sam.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3033630]The Grace was famous for it like 20 years ago, there was a coffee shop too. I wasn't aware there were any FL's there anymore (for years)?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Bangkok for many years. Last time was in 2008 but have fond memories of the Grace Hotel having stayed there a couple of times in the 90's and mid 00's. It was basically a hotel set up for whoring. Lots of freelancers milling around reception, it had a nightclub, and also its own fishbowl in the basement for fans of soapies! Also had girls outside the car park. You could also phone reception and have a girl sent to your room. Also had a ten pin bowling alley. There were no shortage of hookers on site spread across the site. Possibly 70-80 and not all Thai girls.

One fond memory is on my the last night, my mate and I were down to the bare bones in terms of cash. We had enough between us for one stunner for the rest of the night. We chose her and played one frame of snooker (they had a full size table). Winner got to have her for the night. Luckily I won and after potting the black, potted her pink though not the brown! Halcyon days!

On my last two visits to Bangkok there were a reasonable number of Uzbek girls working in the Grace. The last time I was staying in a different hotel nearby with the rest of the stag party I was a part of but popped in out of curiosity and old times sake along with another lad and took an Uzbek from Grace back to my hotel as I fancied something different.

Clientele even them were predominantly though not exclusively from the Gulf or Pakistan but no one really cared where you were from. As a result there were some nice Pakistani and Middle Eastern restaurants on the soi. Always felt sorry for the normal tourists who would sometimes end up in the Grace especially those with families.

Wonder if it had changed. I suspect and hope not!

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3033818]I had a look at the first couple of pages of reviews on [URL]Booking.com[/URL].

Virtually all of them come from people in Muslim countries (predominately Gulf countries). Wonder what those nice religious lads would be doing in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Undercover jihad agent in mission to find the infidel and the miscreant.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3033421]I guess success at Thermae depends on:

1) your age.

2) your looks.

3) your race.

4) your manners.

5) the size o your wallet.

If most are in your favour then you will probably find success. Lacking in several departments means certain failure.[/QUOTE]I would put race first in a lot of case, there is girls who are clearly rejecting all non Asian people. They aren't even quoting they just refuse to talk.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3033818]I had a look at the first couple of pages of reviews on [URL]Booking.com[/URL].

Virtually all of them come from people in Muslim countries (predominately Gulf countries). Wonder what those nice religious lads would be doing in Thailand?[/QUOTE]As long as they are being respectful, who cares?

[QUOTE=ChrisCross123;3034018][B]The BIG Question: How's Nana and Thermae impacted by the Queen Mother's death?[/b]
What's the situation this Saturday night?[/QUOTE]The only change I saw last night in and around the lower Sukhumvit, Nana Plaza, Thermae, Soi Cowboy area was a bit higher percentage of people wearing black clothing. And at some beer bars all the servers and ladies were wearing black. But no change in the party atmosphere.

Dear All,

I have my notebook full of ladies name and list of thing to do. But I finally realized only one common denominator in my notes: massage parlor one session in the day time and massage parlor another session at the night time. Can't imagine on the 3rd of this planning will it be able to give me more energy for the succeeding days?

Why we man only have limited energy for this kind of action? Those massage girls In the shop should at least having 4 or 5 customers per day and not to mentioned each customer has at least one shot or perhaps 2 or more per session. It's unfair!

Hahaha!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3032284]
One lady happened to be the pick of the litter and allowed that she was very horny. As I sit on the bar stool, she starts massaging my knee with her pussy. Eventually, she turned around, spread my legs and backed up! This was getting interesting. A couple of tunes later, she unzips my pants, pulls up her dress, and starts fondling my dick. Before I can protest, she pulls her panties aside and inserts junior in her pussy where she continues to grind away. So Moonshine does provide a memorable event for me personally.
[/QUOTE]Well, that sucks. No warning, no tell. I do hope you managed to voice your protest in the end, or at least, the next day.

I've noticed a lot of Russian and Latina escorts being posted / listed in Bangkok. Should I be aware of these?

I had an amazing time at Aries Nuru Massage last week.

I had pre-booked Ning and Gina, total cost was 10 k THB less 1000 discount for 2 girls.

Gina had bigger boobs, whilst Ning was smaller. They were both dressed like naughty school girls when I arrived. It was an amazing view to walk behind them up the stairs.

Once in the room, fondling and kissing started, with me being stripped first. The girls prepared the shower area and made me sit on the special stool which gives them easy access to my nether regions. What followed was a medley of kissing, fondling, BJ, Rimming and fingering. Both girls were into it, and were really enthusiastic.

Next came the Nuru, mat placed down and warm Nuru Gel prepared. What I really liked was that they had a mirror at the bottom of the wall so I could see everything that was being done to me. I was asked to lie down on my chest first where both girls starting to straddle me and ride by back and legs, with their pussies rubbing against me at every stroke.

Then Gina decided to slide underneath me, this was a true sandwich experience and was a mesmerizing sight to see in the mirror, words can't explain the bliss I felt.

Ning mounted me first after putting the rubber with her mouth, whilst Gina would cuddle, put her giant boobs on my fact and kiss, with full fingering action. Soon enough, I had Gina climb up with a new condom, but this time had Ning do some rimming which was one hell of an experience.

Finished CIM in Ning's mouth, and we all got up and dried up with towels.

This isn't the end, what followed was a sensual 4 hands massage.

Aries Nuru is a must visit on your next trip to BKK.

Suggestions. Ask for physical details of the girls before booking, IE boob size etc. Ning also had braces. All conversations were done on Line.

Enjoy.

S.

[QUOTE=BennieBen;3034087]I would put race first in a lot of case, there is girls who are clearly rejecting all non Asian people. They aren't even quoting they just refuse to talk.[/QUOTE]Big yawn, I am so sick of this broken record, Never in a million years to they reject 'all non Asian' people. Yes there are a couple of Nationalities that get a hard time.

[QUOTE=Ranvir226;3033578]Its on soi 3. If you are coming from soi 4, on left side, hardly 50 metres after you crosss sukhmvit road. Its big hotel, most of the clients are from arab, Bangladesh and pakistan. It has walkthrough leading to the reception. On this you find approx 20 WG s of different nationalities looking for customer. I met one iraqi also. Its just a small sample of soi 4, but I found quality was good. (in my opinion).[/QUOTE]Good point to this post. IMHO the Grace Hotel providers offer a good intersection to the attributes many Middle Eastern and South Asian punters are seeking. From my observation, the ladies are chunkier, willing to negotiate with groups and pretty much take on all comers. Check it out, Grace action starts at 3:24. [URL]https://youtu.be/zR1PexT0jkg?si=HiiEkGsQ2tZz2FQu&t=204[/URL].

Agree that the packs of South Asians on Soi 4 might be better served to try Grace on Soi 3. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3034387]First, a good guess that it has been 15 years since any Westerners have gone near the Grace Hotel. My guess is that a lot of the website visitors had not been in Thailand until less that 15 years ago.

The poster's board name (Ranvir) IS new. He was just trying to communicate his recent experience and his opinion. No need to criticize him for doing that. In some ways, that mimics Stubby (heaven forbid).

Question: Before you posted your remark, had you already lit up and had a cup of coffee? Depending on your answer, the comination of caffeine and cannabis might excuse you unseemly comment..[/QUOTE]It should be harsh bro. Lot of people here have spent a lot of time over the years filling this place with information to be found nowhere else and it would be nice if these new guys take a read before they post.

I think there is a qualitative difference between "holy shit, remember before the Grace became an Arab hellhole" and "I got laid at the Grace".

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3034600]Good point to this post. IMHO the Grace Hotel providers offer a good intersection to the attributes many Middle Eastern and South Asian punters are seeking. From my observation, the ladies are chunkier, willing to negotiate with groups and pretty much take on all comers. Check it out, Grace action starts at 3:24. [URL]https://youtu.be/zR1PexT0jkg?si=HiiEkGsQ2tZz2FQu&t=204[/URL].

Agree that the packs of South Asians on Soi 4 might be better served to try Grace on Soi 3. Enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]I'd like to hear some reports from other guys that frequent the clubs like Bad Shah.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3034493]Big yawn, I am so sick of this broken record, Never in a million years to they reject 'all non Asian' people. Yes there are a couple of Nationalities that get a hard time.[/QUOTE]He's not wrong though, there are definitely girls who will not go with non-Asians. I live here, speak Thai and go to Thermae often and also a lot of "Thai thai" places for locals (such as tded but also kapoo clubs). The story is pretty much the same everywhere: they worry about size first and foremost, coupled with how long it takes the guy to finish, and then their behavior. The larger & taller you are, the harder it will be, because they associate weight and especially height with cock size. Big mistake LOL. Unfortunately these girls tend to be the top 10% of beautiful ones, at least from an Asian perspective. But look at it from their perspective: you are top 10% of looks so you are definitely getting multiple customers tonight, why choose a guy who might stretch you out and also asks a million questions about weird fetishes and sex positions and who keeps arguing over price?? (This is restricted to Thermae. The girls at Thai thai places are much kinder in attitude).

[QUOTE=Larbmoo555;3034951]He's not wrong though, there are definitely girls who will not go with non-Asians. I live here, speak Thai and go to Thermae often and also a lot of "Thai thai" places for locals (such as tded but also kapoo clubs). The story is pretty much the same everywhere: they worry about size first and foremost, coupled with how long it takes the guy to finish, and then their behavior. The larger & taller you are, the harder it will be, because they associate weight and especially height with cock size. Big mistake LOL. Unfortunately these girls tend to be the top 10% of beautiful ones, at least from an Asian perspective. But look at it from their perspective: you are top 10% of looks so you are definitely getting multiple customers tonight, why choose a guy who might stretch you out and also asks a million questions about weird fetishes and sex positions and who keeps arguing over price?? (This is restricted to Thermae. The girls at Thai thai places are much kinder in attitude).[/QUOTE]All I am hearing from you is the typical Asian men stereotypes as in small dicks, premature ejaculation, easily pleased, passive and part with their money easily.

I'll enter in the country. What's the best spot for me for a 9 hour transfer? It's going to need to fit in entering country and leaving country again for the 9 hour window.

I've read a lot about TF in these posts, but I don't exactly know what it is. Can someone share some additional details and if it is a website or something to share the link?

[QUOTE=JBarnes1987;3035154]I've read a lot about TF in these posts, but I don't exactly know what it is. Can someone share some additional details and if it is a website or something to share the link?[/QUOTE]It's a dating site predominantly of Thai girls / ladies who are 'Friendly'. (add 2 + 2 there mate to come up with TF). A lot of ladies on it are looking for love / long-term relationships (or rather want to freeload off a sucker for the rest of their lives through marriage). It's become famous and popular amongst Mongers for a different reason. A lot of Freelancers use it to get business. Hence it's used by a lot of members here.

We tend to use abbreviations around here not only because it's usually obvious, but to avoid openly advertising a commercial site, the MODS around here might not like it.

[QUOTE=RawhHigh;3035103]I'll enter in the country. What's the best spot for me for a 9 hour transfer? It's going to need to fit in entering country and leaving country again for the 9 hour window.[/QUOTE]Not clear on how or where you are entering the country, but assuming by air: Take a taxi to a massage joint. Plan on a 30-60 minute drive to and from your arrival airport. Massage options and locations are discussed in depth in the Thailand sub-forum. Happy mongering.

Sam.

[QUOTE=JBarnes1987;3035154]I've read a lot about TF in these posts, but I don't exactly know what it is. Can someone share some additional details and if it is a website or something to share the link?[/QUOTE]TF = Thai Friendly.

Basically a Thai dating (Google is your friend for the web address) site full of hookers (especially in Pattaya and Bangkok) with a few 'I'm looking for a long term relationship' birds chucked in the mix, which they state in their profile, in my experience most with no information in their profile are freelance, I've only used it for BKK and Pattaya.

For me it's good for wanking over the birds (when I'm not in Thailand) knowing I'll fuck some of them when I go there as I've done each time I go there.

I 'like' the ones who I think are fit / fun or both then hit them up when I'm there to save hours of trawling through 100's of them (that ain't for me) many get back to you within a day, some within seconds / minutes / hours depending (I guess) if they like you, are online, want to earn some money, don't already have a customer lined up.

For me it's worth the annual subscription, I found it rubbish without subscribing.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=JBarnes1987;3035154]I've read a lot about TF in these posts, but I don't exactly know what it is. Can someone share some additional details and if it is a website or something to share the link?[/QUOTE]TF is Thai Friendly. It's a dating site similar to Bumble or [URL]Match.com[/URL]. It's mostly Thai girls and there is a relatively high percentage who are "working". There are also girls looking for love / husbands and even some who have amazing cryptocurrency investments. Be careful what you write to the girls as illegal activity can get you permanently banned from TF.

[QUOTE=RawhHigh;3035103]I'll enter in the country. What's the best spot for me for a 9 hour transfer? It's going to need to fit in entering country and leaving country again for the 9 hour window.[/QUOTE]Plenty of time to visit a "massage parlor". Read through some of the posts in the massage parlor threads for suggestions. You can take a Taxi from BKK, or during rush hour take the Airport Rail Link (about 30 Baht) to Makkasan station and take MRT or taxi from there. Be aware that immigration can take a long time and BKK airport is huge.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;3035220]Plenty of time to visit a "massage parlor". Read through some of the posts in the massage parlor threads for suggestions. You can take a Taxi from BKK, or during rush hour take the Airport Rail Link (about 30 Baht) to Makkasan station and take MRT or taxi from there. Be aware that immigration can take a long time and BKK airport is huge.[/QUOTE]Avoid taxi if tim, e is limited, rail is better.

[QUOTE=RawhHigh;3035103]I'll enter in the country. What's the best spot for me for a 9 hour transfer? It's going to need to fit in entering country and leaving country again for the 9 hour window.[/QUOTE]A decent hotel near the airport and a pre booked escort would be my choice with only 9 hours to spare, as that includes clearing immigration, checking in again etc then that doesn't leave you much time for travelling too far.

Got some fucking work meetings on Eastern time. Wrap up around 1 AM. That's pretty tight for the gogos that close at 2. I know Tded is open till 4 (never been) but any other alternatives? Prefer clubs when possible.

Heard there is 90 day period of mourning. How does this impact nana plaza? Is it still open? And are ladies still walking the streets?

Speaking of TF, how do you guys open on there? I've tried talking to them like I do with Seeking girls, tried asking them how many baht they want, and even tried making generic conversation and I'm getting nothing. Should I just ask them for their phone number (or LINE)?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3035242]Got some fucking work meetings on Eastern time. Wrap up around 1 AM. That's pretty tight for the gogos that close at 2. I know Tded is open till 4 (never been) but any other alternatives? Prefer clubs when possible.[/QUOTE]Looks like Kings Castle 2 in Patpong is open till 5 AM. Anyone have any experience there?

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035332]Speaking of TF, how do you guys open on there? I've tried talking to them like I do with Seeking girls, tried asking them how many baht they want, and even tried making generic conversation and I'm getting nothing. Should I just ask them for their phone number (or LINE)?[/QUOTE]I usually say Hello, what are you doing. There is no need to treat everyone like a hooker. Have some discretion. The site is mixed with hookers and normal chicks. Most of the time when you ask what they are doing, they will tell you they are looking for customers if they are hookers.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3035331]Heard there is 90 day period of mourning. How does this impact nana plaza? Is it still open? And are ladies still walking the streets?[/QUOTE]The 90 days is that citizens are encouraged to wear black or dark clothes as a mark of respect for the Queen who passed on the 24th October.

Tourism and business is proceeding as normal, so little fears about Nana.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3035341]Looks like Kings Castle 2 in Patpong is open till 5 AM. Anyone have any experience there?[/QUOTE]Not recently for any take out but I did stop by at around 1.30am three weekends ago to gaze at the line up and they had a small bunch of pretty hot girls there. No action because I was returning back to my lodgings in Patpong from having had an amazing anal fuck with a hot freelancer in the Nana district and I was kaput after that.

My last real action in Patpong was many moons ago and it was terrific. Not sure about it nowadays as the place seems quieter with less foot traffic in and around the GoGo clubs and bars. Go check it out and report back.

By the way, if you are going to go to T Ded 99 be prepared to pay for ice with your beer.

Howie.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3035242]Got some fucking work meetings on Eastern time. Wrap up around 1 AM. That's pretty tight for the gogos that close at 2. I know Tded is open till 4 (never been) but any other alternatives? Prefer clubs when possible.[/QUOTE]Years ago I would go to Mixx club, located in the bottom level of the Intercontinental on Phloem Chit Rd. Looks like it is still open. Had many great late nights there. Used to be full of freelancers and girls from bars that close at 2. Anyone have recent experience there?

Off topic. Does anyone remember Spasso at the Hyatt Erawan? Is there an equivalent these days?

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3035331]Heard there is 90 day period of mourning. How does this impact nana plaza? Is it still open? And are ladies still walking the streets?[/QUOTE]I took a Nana Plaza gogo girl out of her bar for a Short Time a couple of nights ago. The bar had as many girls as usual. The price of drinks and the barfine were no different than before. The girl did not give me a discount or charge me more than usual for the occasion. Her performance was no better or worse than usual.

Now, this was around 9 pm. If the bars closed earlier than usual I did not know about it since I was back in my room watching YouTube on tv by Midnight.

There are tons of ladies walking the streets lately, especially on Soi 4. Some nights there are more ladies on Soi 4 than I have seen in many months.

Well, not really walking all that much. Mostly just standing there waiting for someone willing to pay their asking price for covered everything or possibly a 3,000 baht handjob, I suppose.

I met a cute Vietnamese girl on Soi 4 a few nights ago who had been giving me googoo eye looks of true love for a couple of weeks as I passed by too busy or otherwise too engaged to stop and chat. But this particular night I had time for her. Suddenly a slightly older, chubby, English-fluent female pimp or supervisor appeared and started doing all the talking; 3,000 baht for Short Time paid to her upfront, no budging on either of those factors. Which sure as hell was not going to happen. Definitely not with one of those Vietnamese girls.

For the fun of it I asked if her girl would give me a blowjob with a Cum Inside Mouth finish for that 3 000 baht. Her pimp / supervisor recoiled in horror as though I'd just asked if her little puppet would chop off two of her toes with an ax. LOL. "NO. NEVER!" I laughed and said if she doesn't even do that for 3,000 baht that's terrible. I didn't bother to ask her pimp if Real Sex / BBFSCIP was included in that 3,000 baht Short Time Pay Upfront deal.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035332]Speaking of TF, how do you guys open on there? I've tried talking to them like I do with Seeking girls, tried asking them how many baht they want, and even tried making generic conversation and I'm getting nothing. Should I just ask them for their phone number (or LINE)?[/QUOTE]If I'm not sure she is a freelancer, I ask "What are you looking to find with ThaiFriendly?" Nothing more.

After I'm sure she is a freelancer, I ask "Are you available right now?" Or "How much for short time in my Sukhumvit Soi 11 hotel room?" Or "I'm at Sukhumvit Soi 11, where are you?"

Thai freelancers don't like chit chat, she wants to earn money as quickly and easily as she can. Your money.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035332]Speaking of TF, how do you guys open on there? I've tried talking to them like I do with Seeking girls, tried asking them how many baht they want, and even tried making generic conversation and I'm getting nothing. Should I just ask them for their phone number (or LINE)?[/QUOTE]If they have nothing in their profile saying anything different, I just keep it simple and to the point but not rude, I don't ask on TF about prices etc, I do have 4 proper photos of me on there.

I always say along the lines of.

Hi ya,

I'm in Pattaya / Bangkok now (or wherever you) are you FL?, if so want to meet?

Thanks.

Then if it's a yes or maybe and a returned question. I immediately ask for their WhatsApp and carry on the conversation there.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3035374]If I'm not sure she is a freelancer, I ask "What are you looking to find with ThaiFriendly?" Nothing more.

After I'm sure she is a freelancer, I ask "Are you available right now?" Or "How much for short time in my Sukhumvit Soi 11 hotel room?" Or "I'm at Sukhumvit Soi 11, where are you?"

Thai freelancers don't like chit chat, she wants to earn money as quickly and easily as she can. Your money.[/QUOTE]They definitely don't waste time with pointless chit chat, which isn't a bad thing for us as well.

I've noticed more these days actually put 'not FL' in their profile, I guess they're sick of telling blokes that.

It does seem to me that the vast majority of birds that are in Pattaya are FL or at least up for a cash job on the side.

As I told a mate the other day, no point in trying to book more than a day in advance and even then if a better offer comes along they'll blow you out as quick as you would blow them out if you get a better offer... Definitely no love lost in the Thai FL game!

Five foot seven, brown skinned south Indian here. First solo international trip dedicated for mongering and chose Thailand for the sake of convenience. Only agenda is to fuck as much pussy as possible. Quite drinking and smoking recently, so no bar visits planned.

Day 1.

Landed in Suvarnabhumi, bus to Pattaya. Booked flipper house near the beach. Registered TF premium 3 weeks prior, but IMO its just a waste of time. I would maybe book them for right now, couple of hours later / tonight. Most of them won't even remember you for tomorrow.

Girl 1 TF. Did a rookie mistake not confirming her on video call, She arrived, pleasant lady but way bulkier than the pics. CBJ and vanilla sex - 2 k THB. She kept messaging me on whatsapp for next few days and gave me tips and suggestions on things!

Girl 2 TF- Matched with another girl 1 day before the flight, hot in her pics, taller than me (not my type). Looked 100% like her pics. Met me near the mall beach front, walked around. Explored street food, went to walking street and then went to the movie. We left half way went to my room, did one ST. She was crazy good in bed, BBJ, deep kissing and submissive. Only problem is that she is taller than I am, and its not my thing 2 k THB. Walked her down the road for her to grab the Baht bus.

Charee Massage. I walked down the street, it was around 1. 30 am, girls from massage were inviting. One girl at charee caught my eye, 1 THB for boom boom, went upstairs, slim chick, smooth skin, fake boobs, very cooperative. She gave me a CBJ and rode me in cowgirl for a bit, changed positions to missionary, lot of kissing. Took her in doggy, I pumped her for a while but couldn't cum. Maybe its the fake boobs that killed my mood. I faked my orgasm and pulled out. She told me she is freelancing here at charee after her shift ends at honey2 and that she is yellow at honey2. She was upset that I couldn't come and asked me why. I told her I did cum but very less and that I wanted a professional massage. She handed me over to the spa next door for 350 THB oil massage.

Professional Massage- Therapist doesn't speak one word of English. Flirted with her using translator and she she had naughty responses too. But it got boring with the translator and I don't know when but I slept. Woke up feeling good and she was doing my neck. She said she would come to my room for 4000 THB. I said thankyou and told her I will take her if I ever become that rich, we laughed, gave her a 100 and left.

Walking Street ST- Had a burger at the burger king and walked down the beach road, the quality of freelancers there is very bad, went to the walking street again. 80% of the girls ignored me for my brown Indian skin. Found one extremely cute glass skinned babe- agreed for 1500 and 400 for the room. No kissing, BJ was fine but it became very difficult for me to get hard. Fucked her mouth extra hard to get my erection and somehow finished. Walked back to my room, took a long relaxing bath and slept.

Day 2.

Prostate 1 - Woke up at around 10.30 for the breakfast and went back to room and slept. Some shopping at the mall and searched for prostate massage nearby. Called up the number and the lady quoted 2200 for 60 min prostate massage and booked a grab to the location. It was home massage in a Spanish condo and the lady I spoke with came down to pick me. She showed me screenshot of some text describing the benefits of prostate massage. She was a bit old and big for my liking but fortunately she showed me photos of therapists with their age, height and weight. I wasn't expecting it but felt happy that did show and selected one slim chic. Time to pay and I realized it was 2200 THB and not 2200 INR (I didn't know what I was thinking). Didn't haggle much and settled for 2000 THB and the lady was happy too. 10 min later my therapist came and she was 90% like the pics and I was happy. Asked me to take a shower, I did and laid on the bed. She gave a nice massage to my back and front and the best 20 min of life started. She massaged every inch of my dick and balls with love and extreme care, she put gloves on both her hands and one finger goes up my ass. I got ass fingered before by other therapists back in India but this was nothing like I ever had. The technique was excellent. I was enjoying with both my grabbing her smooth thighs. And she was moaning, I asked her why she was moaning, it was me getting fingered. I asked her if we could fuck, she said 2 k, settled for 1 k, and had the one of the best pussy fuck. No kissing, no BJ, no pussy licking. Only hardcore sex. It was fine. I drilled her for quite sometime until I came in the reverse missionary. Took shower together. Not repeating this girl again during my trip was a big mistake. Went back, did some local exploring.

Prostate 2 - Asked the mamasan (from prostate massage place) for massage at my hotel room and asked her to send me the pics from morning. Found one super cute 22 yo, slim, short girl and she would be free at 12 AM. 4-5 hours to kill. Booked her for 90 min 900 THB. She came on time, went down to pick her up, was happy to see her exactly like her pics. She looked tired. Gave her a massage and she set the timer for 90 min and asked me what I want. She was in no mood to give me massage and suggested boom boom for 3000 THB. Agreed for 2000. Smooth, slim sexy body, nice tattoo on the back. No kissing. Spoke zero english. Ate pussy good, nice BBJ, super submissive, sweet moans. Fucked her in positions I never tried with any other girl. Very flexible, sexy little body. Took shower, dropped her back at the lobby, had dinner and closed day 2.

Day 3.

Girl 3 TF. Selected one, video called, face was disappointing without makeup, had a nice friendly smile. 1500 THB. Met her in the central mall at around 12 for coffee. Great attitude, very little English, looked 90% like the pics, little bit pumpuii. Showed me pics of her hot friend who also happens to love India. I wanted to meet her later but forgot. Brought her back to room, nice body, little chubby for my liking but that's okay, ate pussy, bbj was fine. Had her in missionary and doggy. She had many bite marks on her boobs and ass, looks like someone mauled her. Overall good long session. Finished had shower and dropped her in the lobby.

Prostate 3 - Explored the city, the music the vibe and sat down at jomiten. Waited for a TF girl who didn't show up and called the prostate lady, selected one girl for 60 min massage for 600 thb. Went to the place, disappointed with the looks of the girl, she gave me good massage, polite and asked 2000 for BJ and 3000 for boom boom. I had zero interest and offered her 500 for handjob. Nice and slow handjob with oil and finished. Good but unnecessary. Did only to not disappoint the lady and also didn't want to give 500 for nothing. Went to a bar by the beach with the Girl 2 TF, spent a few hours there, explored north Thailand food stalls at the beach, got a foot massage and send her off.

Girl 4 TF. This one had been chatting ever since I landed in BKK, multiple video calls. I was supposed to meet her on day 2 for party with her friend at WS, meeting fixed at 2 am, she went there and called multiple times but I slept. I apologized to her in the morning, told her that I wasn't feeling well, and she was like alright! Agreed to meet me again on the day 3 in the WS at 1 am. She came there, called me in video, sent me live location. I got ready, went there, called her multiple times, but she wouldn't pick up! Tit for tat. It was my mistake but I was only disappointed for the time lost. I would have fucked someone else. Overall Day 3 was average and closed.

Day 4.

Jspot. Woke up late, checked out, bus to BKK, BTS to hotel. The girl 4 TF texts me that she waited long and her battery died and she had to leave. I didn't have any interest to validate that further, was reading BKK massage parlour forum and shortlisted few. Checked in, booked Alice at jspot for 4 pm. 60 min 2600 THB. Super nice place, felt like a palace compared to spas in India. Girl is as described in another report, slim, tight, sexy. Young, cute face, pleasant attitude. Good English Showered together, gave me a name sake massage. And a sloppy BJ. However there was no kissing. I took control, kissed and licked her everywhere drilled her nice and long, enjoyed her moaning. Very hot to see her in the mirror. Showered and left.

Girl 5 TF- Another TF girl, was on video call with her for almost 1 hour in the noon, before jspot. Didn't look very good without makeup but her body is exactly how I wanted, slim and short. ST was agreed for 200 THB. Met at a cafe at around 12 am, her attitude was totally different, wouldn't speak much, gets annoyed. I kept my cool, I knew sex was going to be bad but was just observing. I told her she can leave if she is not interested. She said she is interested but her period is about to start hence feeling not so well and apologized for the attitude and told me she would come to my room If I was willing to pay 2000 THB. For fucks sake, that was the fucking deal! Settled the bill at the cafe came down, she already booked a grab to leave and tipped him to leave. My hotel was walking distance and we were walking, I just put my hand on her back guiding her to which she says don't touch. We were like a 100 m away from my hotel, I lost it, told her, can't do anything with this attitude. She asked me to give her a 100 for the taxi. I gave her 200 and she thanked me, nobody created a scene and I walked away. Many street pickups in the area I was walking around exploring options and saw her standing there at least for the next 20 min, whatever she was booking!

Street pickup- Saw a stunner. Cute small Vietnamese chic just few meters always from my hotel in Sukhumvit 11. Asked 2000 thb for ST. Settled for 1500. Took her to my room, she bathed me like a baby, silky smooth skin, perfect ass, tits. But would kiss, wouldn't let lick pussy. Wouldn't let me me anywhere near her face. Ended quicker than I wanted. She showered and left.

Day 5.

Girl 6 TF. Day time reserved this for exploration and site seeing. My forex got blocked and had only few 100's handy. A TF chic matched, looked cute, asked for meeting at 10 pm for 1500 thb ST. I didn't think she would show up on time My card was still blocked by the time she came. She was waiting near my hotel and I told her I would give her taxi money to go back and she agreed. But when I met her, I liked her attitude, she was so calm and composed and was smiling. That made me change my mind, we went together to an ATM nearby, I withdraw cash from my regular card with extra markup! Took her to the hotel, nice toned body, slim, short, smooth. CBJ, pussy licking, lite kissing but stopped as she had bad breath. Turned her around, fucked her in doggy, long and hard. Came on her back. Took shower, dropped her outside, had dinner and closed.

Day 6.

Professional Massage. Checked out at around 12, and stored my luggage at the counter did some shopping, bought some souvenirs had lunch, had foot massage, nice cleavage show by polite friendly therapist, flirted with the help of translator. 350 and a 100 tip.

Nuru at Amor888- Walked 15 min to Amor88 near asok bts. Around 2.30 pm. The managers were polite and respectful, asked me to sit down in the couch, not many girls were there. Three of the managers came and sat next to me, one showed me girls pics on the ipad and the menu. I was very happy with the royal treatment, selected few, but they weren't coming until 5 (that's what she said at least). Selected another young 23 yo on the ipad, and she was sitting right there, face matched lkike 85% but hot body. 3400 THB nuru massage, waked with her to the 3rd floor. Little chat while walking up. Showered together, she handed me a tooth brush while she brushed her teeth. Super hot body, toned, perfect tits and perfect ass. Polite. Showered together, asked me to lie down on air mattress. Nice soapy full nude body to body, explored her perfect little asshole. She cleaned my dick with tissue paper and took it into her mouth, nice and slow bbj. Slid on the condom and fucked me in women on top. I took over, no kissing, no pussy eating allowed, only sex. Fucked her hard in missionary and doggy and came in condom. Showered together again and asked me to lie down in the massage bed for a quick massage. Tells me she had to fucks more than 4-5 times and has no interest but makes good money. Exchanged numbers, walked down together. She has such a perfect body, looked very elegant and sexy in her white bodycon dress. All natural assets!

Collected my luggage and took a taxi to the airport, closing the trip. Overall, it was alright. Silent racism was everywhere. In general, I was ignored by about 80% of the pubs and even shopkeepers at the mall. But the same people were all smiles and happily greeting a white man walking next to me. There were places where I was treated like a king and also places where I was completely ignored, the latter being more frequent.

I dressed well, maintained my dignity, and was, in fact, extra polite in some situations. But I probably wouldn't return anytime soon. For the money I spent, I could easily fuck horny northeast Indian chics for 2 months straight. It was just for the experience.

Was it worth spending three times extra to visit a country where you risk facing racism? I would be happier sitting in Bangalore or Hyderabad exploring spas. YMMV. If you are fair-skinned, farang looking Indian who can behave decently, go for it. The vibe, the beauty, the laid back environment, it was all awesome!

Maybe I'll go to another Asian country that hasn't yet been infected by racism. Suggestions welcome, and happy fucking.

I'm not a two-week millionaire on a short-time Asian sex holiday. I'm simply a Western retiree with a modest pension who lives in the Philippines full time. I do not lack for local "options" but I like to sexplore in other places. I'm not poor and / or cheap, but need to feel I'm receiving fair value in exchange for the money spent.

I'm a moderate drinker and voluminous talker, so I like the Sukhumvit Soi 7 outdoor beer pubs (replacements for the old Biergarten) and the handful of sudsy saloons in Patpong. Easy to find another foreigner to chat with, if that's your thing. A beer for me, a higher priced beer for a 35+ year / old lady, then we gab a lot and grab a little. B120 for a customer beer and B170 for a lady's beer. Repeat a couple of times, then I either negotiate for services or push on to greener pastures.

But in-person recon indicated even the old hag beer bar gals are now asking B2,000 for offsite service, with most clubs tacking on up to a B500 bar fine. Conversations with freelancers on Suvhumvit Road and on Soi 4 indicate their asking prices vary between B2,000 to B3,000. Yes I could attempt to negotiate a cheaper price, but I've found that it often results in negatively affecting her attitude and performance in the room.

And most of those gals are in their 30's or higher in age. I refuse to pay double the rate for an older woman compared to the price a younger freelancer asks for in the Philippine city where I reside.

If you're looking for a very clean, decently equipped, convenient, and moderately priced hotel in the Patpong bar area, check out the 56 Surawong Hotel, where I paid $38 USD per night (inclusive of taxes and fees). About 400-500 meter walks from both a subway and BTS station. Located directly across the road from the Patpong night market and a very short walk from the girlie clubs. Interesting that elevated dancing stages are positioned directly inside of each bar entrance, so from the alley / sidewalk you can easily take a quick peek at some of the talent. Also, a few long-legged girls sit on chairs outside the front doors playing on their phones.

Granted, my standards aren't lofty, but each Patpong girlie bar had least a couple of relatively young and thin 6's, 7's, and 8's shuffling on stage wearing string bikinis and 5 to 7 inch heels. Didn't play there as those bars really aren't my thing. But the eye candy was nice.

Yeah, there are many gay-centric clubs in the immediate area. But the touts are easy to ignore and I've always felt safe walking around there.

I'm a big fan of blow job establishments. Get it out, get it up, get it on, then get away. My favorites are sleazy and low-end hostess BJ bars, whose primary focus is selling alcohol and providing onsite ladies who will sit and drink beside you, with the customer's option of obtaining a BBBJ or possibly more for a moderate price in a secluded and darkened on-site back room. She grabs her drink, then she grabs your dink. Not as easy to find in Bangkok as you might think.

I've had acceptable experiences at the Kasalong and Lolita's rub and tug outlets near Sukhumvit Soi 8. But the alcohol-focus there is secondary. I like the natural progression from sober to buzzed to super horny to blowing my wad, all while sitting in the same chair.

Luckily on last year's trip, I discovered the "69 Bar" in Patpong (easily found on Google Maps). After checking into the hotel last week, I came upon two well-worn ladies sitting outside the bar. Both around 40 years old; one was moderately cute but overweight while the other was skinny and wearing cute heels and a mini skirt. Sadly, her face been struck a couple of times at birth by an ugly stick. It sounds catty, but her appearance would be more appealing if she added 10 pounds to her overly-slender frame.

Chubbo rose out of her chair and asked "Beer and blow job, sir"? Hard to pass that offer, so I chose the thin one and we went inside. The interior looks like a typical tiny and low-brow beer bar, with a senior citizen-aged female bartender sitting at the counter and numerous bottles of spirits hung on the wall. Three empty small tables out in the open, positioned in front of a long padded sofa. Beers were B120 (mine) / B170 (hers).

Interestingly, she closed the small curtain hanging above the front door before we sat down. Was she afraid a tall basketball player might peek in at us? Nah, I assume it's because on my previous visit in December, a girl gave me a BBBJ out in the open, so they don't take any chances.

Immediately she cuddled up next to me, held my hand, and after a couple sips of beer began lightly rubbing my cock through my shorts while we alternated between talking and lightly kissing. A couple of times I looked over to see the bartender's response, but she was preoccupied by her phone. Had no interest in all at our activities, as she's probably seen the performance thousands of times.

During beer #2, she quietly asked if I wanted a BJ for B700. After agreeing, she led me to the back near the toilet, where there was another smaller couch which was separated from the main bar area by a wide black curtain.

She brought our beers, shut the drapes, then began the show. The kissing became intensely deeper and more passionate, and we made out for at least five minutes as my hand explored under her bra and panties. She then got down on her knees, removed my lower garments, and started the oral exam. After a minute or two, I stopped her and we resumed kissing while she jacked me with her hand. I asked if full service was available, to which she said yes for B1,000. I asked if it was an additional 1 K payment, but she replied no, the prices are 700 for the BJ or 1,000 for BJ and intercourse.

Hard to resist pussy sex for only B300 more, so during the intermission she got out a condom and stripped down to nakedness, even removing her bra. We resumed the kissing and fondling show for a few minutes until I was sufficiently aroused, then she rolled on the condom, laid down, and I started banging her missionary-style on the couch.

She wasn't a screamer but her moans of pleasure were uncomfortably loud, so it would be easy for customers to hear what we were doing as no music was playing and the head of the couch was just not far away from the seating area. Especially those walking to the toilet as the curtain paralleled the washroom door, hanging only 2 feet away.

After finishing and cinching up our garments, she opened up the curtain and headed into the washroom. I was a bit unnerved to see two of the tables occupied by individual farang customers and bar gal partners. Perhaps one was waiting for me to finish so he could be led back there by his tablemate? I sure hope my gal adequately cleaned up any pussy juice and spilled jizzom with the wet wipes pack she used to freshen up my cock.

My eyes met those of the similarly-aged customer sitting at the table closest to the door as I exited. He knowingly smiled and I gave him a thumbs-up. Walk of shame? Nah, more like a walk of satisfaction.

I'd estimate I spent one hour there, divided between the outer and secluded areas. B240 for 2 beers for me, B340 for 2 beers for her, B1,000 for sex, and B150 tip. B1,730 for an onsite all-inclusive alcohol / sex hour with plenty of sensual foreplay was okay by me.

No searching and waiting for online paramours. No bar fines, short-time room fees, nagging mamasans, back and forth taxi / tuk tuk fares, service upselling, and worrying if there would be mutual sexual compatibility.

No continual pestering for more lady's drinks, as I've noticed in local beer bars is it's customary for the gal to wait until the customer has finished his drink before she asks for another. As far as I could tell there was no clock watching, as we spent a lot of time engaged in foreplay behind the curtain without her attention being diverted or accelerated.

Seamless transition from beer swilling to cum swilling. Pointing and shooting in its simplest form.

Yeah, the women are older and not so attractive. But 45 year-old unabashedly horny and exquisitely skilled gals are okay with this senior citizen. The price was right and the experiences were seedy, erotic, voyeuristic, and tawdry. Perfect for the slightly perverted-side of me. Experiences like this aren't easy to find anymore as most old-style venues have either closed or gone more upscale.

Would I do it again? Absolutely. In fact, I did, three nights there later with another lady. Same-same yet slightly different service program, but still ended up great. My second gal had a bit of a potty mouth while being pounded, which dialed up my thermostat a few degrees.

Three total visits with three different women, all with successful conclusions. Yep, I'll stop by again next year.

Believe me, I'm not God's gift to women. I'm an old and balding Caucasian who is unremarkable in every way, except my wallet is never short of playing-around money. But the gals kissed, cuddled, and fondled me like love-starved teenagers and performed expertly in all carnal areas.

This bar probably appeals only to a somewhat small percentage of men. But it never hurts you guys to file away knowledge of different options.

[QUOTE=DonutRider;3035454]
... Silent racism was everywhere. In general, I was ignored by about 80% of the pubs and even shopkeepers at the mall. But the same people were all smiles and happily greeting a white man walking next to me. There were places where I was treated like a king and also places where I was completely ignored, the latter being more frequent.[/QUOTE]Hi, thank you for your detailed and insightful report. I like the details provided, and how honest you were in your experiences.

I have read in numerous postings and also seen YouTube videos about the rejection some men of color can face in Thailand. I want to state that I am not trying to start a debate on racism, in any way. My personal opinion is that a lady is absolutely free to choose who she will be with in an intimate setting, and some women are attracted to certain types. However, being treated differently in a shopping mall, restaurant or business setting is just wrong.

I do want to politely ask how you were treated in the soapy massage parlors? For example, if a non-Thai, non-Caucasian male went to higher end soapy massage like Tara, LaBelle, Addict massage, etc. Would he be treated well or would some ladies reject him also because of his background? When you walked past the massage parlors on some streets did the ladies call out "massage" to you or ignore you.

I appreciate your feedback and feedback.

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3035608]Hi, thank you for your detailed and insightful report. I like the details provided, and how honest you were in your experiences.

I have read in numerous postings and also seen YouTube videos about the rejection some men of color can face in Thailand. I want to state that I am not trying to start a debate on racism, in any way. My personal opinion is that a lady is absolutely free to choose who she will be with in an intimate setting, and some women are attracted to certain types. However, being treated differently in a shopping mall, restaurant or business setting is just wrong.

I do want to politely ask how you were treated in the soapy massage parlors? For example, if a non-Thai, non-Caucasian male went to higher end soapy massage like Tara, LaBelle, Addict massage, etc. Would he be treated well or would some ladies reject him also because of his background? When you walked past the massage parlors on some streets did the ladies call out "massage" to you or ignore you.

I appreciate your feedback and feedback.[/QUOTE]Racism = prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

Racism is a prevalent problem in Thailand, though it is infrequently discussed publicly and the country lacks specific legislation on racial discrimination. Discrimination manifests in various forms, including colorism, stereotypes against different ethnic groups and migrant workers, and institutional practices.

Such a great report At Your Cervix. Maybe not my place exactly but damn you make it a bit tempting. And great writing. Great humor. Just the whole package as far as FRs go. Thanks for dropping in!

[QUOTE=AtYourCervix;3035599]I'm not a two-week millionaire on a short-time Asian sex holiday. I'm simply a Western retiree with a modest pension who lives in the Philippines full time. I do not lack for local "options" but I like to sexplore in other places. I'm not poor and / or cheap, but need to feel I'm receiving fair value in exchange for the money spent. I'm a moderate drinker and voluminous talker. [/QUOTE]What a great report for this guy's first post here. Kudos for the description of an experience that's a bit off the beaten path, written with some style.

Few days ago I walked past Kasalong and Lolitas and decided to pick the only decent looking woman among them (at Kasalong).

The name is Bem or Pem or something very similar.

The service was really bad, with a very mechanical BJ without any kind of variation at all. Just up and down all the time (no eye contact, not deep, no lick, etc) and any attempt to direct her a bit was ignored. The only positive is that she didn't complain or changed anything even after almost 20 mins of doing it. But at that point I was bored and forced myself to cum in her mouth (which she took without running away at least).

[QUOTE=DonutRider;3035454]Five foot seven, brown skinned south Indian here. First solo international trip dedicated for mongering and chose Thailand for the sake of convenience. Only agenda is to fuck as much pussy as possible. Quite drinking and smoking recently, so no bar visits planned.

I dressed well, maintained my dignity, and was, in fact, extra polite in some situations. But I probably wouldn't return anytime soon. For the money I spent, I could easily fuck horny northeast Indian chics for 2 months straight. It was just for the experience.

Was it worth spending three times extra to visit a country where you risk facing racism? I would be happier sitting in Bangalore or Hyderabad exploring spas. YMMV. If you are fair-skinned, farang looking Indian who can behave decently, go for it. The vibe, the beauty, the laid back environment, it was all awesome!

Maybe I'll go to another Asian country that hasn't yet been infected by racism. Suggestions welcome, and happy fucking.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your such a detailed report. I find myself in same shoes as you as I plan my 2026 sex vacation. I am of Indian origin as well. Furthermore, I have never been out of the country, which for me is US not India. I moved to US from India as a teenager. As someone who lives in country primarily composed of people who don't belong to the same ethnic group as me, I am used to silent racism. I am glad that you had good time over there.

Seems like there is enough pussy out there in Thailand for everyone.

[QUOTE=AtYourCervix;3035599] But in-person recon indicated even the old hag beer bar gals are now asking B2,000 for offsite service, with most clubs tacking on up to a B500 bar fine. Conversations with freelancers on Suvhumvit Road and on Soi 4 indicate their asking prices vary between B2,000 to B3,000. Yes I could attempt to negotiate a cheaper price, but I've found that it often results in negatively affecting her attitude and performance in the room.[/QUOTE]Guys, don't get discouraged. Plenty of streetwalkers on Soi 4 still go for 1000-1500 baht, although if you ask (instead of offering), they'll say a larger amount. I've had a few decent ones in that range just a few months ago. Mostly non-Thais, but I've been quoted 1. 5 k by an ok looking Thai (slim, cute, about 30) just last week.

Negotiating them down doesn't affect performance. I had plenty of duds at high prices, in fact with some of them (especially Viets), if she can push up the price she is also likely to pull down the service, they enjoy being in control. Plenty of decent ones at bargain-basement 1000-1200 as well.

Way I see it, I'd rather negotiate the low rate, and then tip if they're nice, so I can sleep at night. You won't dazzle them by paying more, there's always an occasional sucker who goes for 4 k.

[QUOTE=AtYourCervix;3035599]I'm not a two-week millionaire on a short-time Asian sex holiday. I'm simply a Western retiree with a modest pension who lives in the Philippines full time. I do not lack for local "options" but I like to sexplore in other places. I'm not poor and / or cheap, but need to feel I'm receiving fair value in exchange for the money spent.

I'm a moderate drinker and voluminous talker, so I like the Sukhumvit Soi 7 outdoor beer pubs (replacements for the old Biergarten) and the handful of sudsy saloons in Patpong. Easy to find another foreigner to chat with, if that's your thing. A beer for me, a higher priced beer for a 35+ year / old lady, then we gab a lot and grab a little. B120 for a customer beer and B170 for a lady's beer. Repeat a couple of times, then I either negotiate for services or push on to greener pastures..[/QUOTE]Well done AYC. I don't suppose you saw any buxom MILFs there did ya?

[QUOTE=DonutRider;3035454]Five foot seven, brown skinned south Indian here. First solo international trip dedicated for mongering and chose Thailand for the sake of convenience. Only agenda is to fuck as much pussy as possible. Quite drinking and smoking recently, so no bar visits planned.

Day 1.

Landed in Suvarnabhumi, bus to Pattaya. Booked flipper house near the beach. Registered TF premium 3 weeks prior, but IMO its just a waste of time. I would maybe book them for right now, couple of hours later / tonight. Most of them won't even remember you for tomorrow.

Girl 1 TF. Did a rookie mistake not confirming her on video call, She arrived, pleasant lady but way bulkier than the pics. CBJ and vanilla sex - 2 k THB. She kept messaging me on whatsapp for next few days and gave me tips and suggestions on things!.[/QUOTE]I think you'd be hard pushed to name any virtually any Country anywhere that doesn't have levels of racism and prejudice. I certainty don't think Thailand is any worse than others.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;3035739]Guys, don't get discouraged. Plenty of streetwalkers on Soi 4 still go for 1000-1500 baht, although if you ask (instead of offering), they'll say a larger amount. I've had a few decent ones in that range just a few months ago. Mostly non-Thais, but I've been quoted 1. 5 k by an ok looking Thai (slim, cute, about 30) just last week.
[/QUOTE]Yeah. I had one quoted me 3000 baht initially then dropped it to 2000 baht then to 1500 baht for a final offer when I signaled I wasn't interested. This was around Sukhumvit road and Soi 7. She was pretty decent looking as well. Didn't bite as I went with someone else near the Nana plaza instead.

[QUOTE=AtYourCervix;3035599]I'm not a two-week millionaire on a short-time Asian sex holiday. I'm simply a Western retiree with a modest pension who lives in the Philippines full time. I do not lack for local "options" but I like to sexplore in other places. I'm not poor and / or cheap, but need to feel I'm receiving fair value in exchange for the money spent.

I'm a moderate drinker and voluminous talker, so I like the Sukhumvit Soi 7 outdoor beer pubs (replacements for the old Biergarten) and the handful of sudsy saloons in Patpong. Easy to find another foreigner to chat with, if that's your thing.

She grabs her drink, then she grabs your dink. Not as easy to find in Bangkok as you might think.

I like the natural progression from sober to buzzed to super horny to blowing my wad, all while sitting in the same chair.

Chubbo rose out of her chair and asked "Beer and blow job, sir"? Hard to pass that offer, so I chose the thin one and we went inside.

Interestingly, she closed the small curtain hanging above the front door before we sat down. Was she afraid a tall basketball player might peek in at us?

My eyes met those of the similarly-aged customer sitting at the table closest to the door as I exited. He knowingly smiled and I gave him a thumbs-up. Walk of shame? Nah, more like a walk of satisfaction.

Seamless transition from beer swilling to cum swilling. Pointing and shooting in its simplest form.
.[/QUOTE]Truly one of the most entertaining reports I've ever read on ISG. And I probably (as you predicted) would not stop at this bar, but I couldn't stop reading this superb post. Thank you.

[QUOTE=DonutRider;3035454]Five foot seven, brown skinned south Indian here. First solo international trip dedicated for mongering and chose Thailand for the sake of convenience. Only agenda is to fuck as much pussy as possible. Quite drinking and smoking recently, so no bar visits planned.
.....
Maybe I'll go to another Asian country that hasn't yet been infected by racism. Suggestions welcome, and happy fucking.[/QUOTE]Or may I suggest that whatever country, or part of a country that you decide to go too, that you get off the beaten track that your countries kindred follow and flock too.

In Thailand, don't go to Pattaya, don't go to Sukhumvit, don't go to Patong, seek out less visited areas of those cities, like Jomtien, like Patpong, like Rawai / Kamala.

Or even complete other locations less likely affected and shaped by personal adverse experiences and characterization, like Hua Hin, Chang Mai, Samui, etc.

Where your presentation, behavior during interactions, and importantly your frequency and generosity when opening your wallet count for far more than the racial based stereotype and fear factor.

[QUOTE=TConor;3035621]

Racism is a prevalent problem in Thailand, though it is infrequently discussed publicly and the country lacks specific legislation on racial discrimination.[/QUOTE]The problem with racism is that a lot of people use it as an excuse to cover up their own shortcomings. Say you're a working girl and have 2 choices:

1) Asian man treats you with respect and pays you well, or.

2) Indian man treats you like dirt and wants to haggle about the price of everything.

Then it wouldn't be a surprise if the girl went with the Asian man (it's not racism, it's just common sense). I visit Bangkok a couple of times a year and I've seen too many Indian cheap charlies to have sympathy for them. I'm certain that there are lots of decent Indians out there, but I'm afraid they all get tarred with the same brush.

Still having a hard time landing anyone on ThaiFriendly, or Seeking, and wondering if it's my beard. Or maybe it's how I reach out to the girls? I use the same script as in Europe and LatAm, which usually gets to the money discussion in 2-3 steps. On ThaiFriendly, the girls aren't even reading my messages (and it's so hard to find any that are actually hot). On Seeking, same issue finding actually hot girls, and I'm getting numbers but there's no engagement after the messaging part. Is it just because there's too many guys here, or is it my beard?

Beard wasn't a problem when I went out to the gogos last night for the first time. Tons of women grabbing me, trying to get me into their club. Freelancers outside Nana too. Some of the girls outside Nana were actually hotter than the girls inside. And Billboard, despite everyone talking about how great it is, not a single girl caught my attention from 8-9 pm on a Monday. I was in there for a solid 50 minutes. Going to try again tomorrow, but main takeaways from that first evening are (1) Thai girls look weird, their body shapes are weird, faces are weird and (2) it's better to walk around Nana and outside Nana to find what you like. There were a bunch more bars inside Nana that seemed more promising than Billboard, but still really hard to find hot girls when compared to European or LatAm visual standards.

Initial impression is that Bangkok is best for low optics expectations, low prices and more pros than civilians. At least this time of year.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3035789]Or may I suggest that whatever country, or part of a country that you decide to go too, that you get off the beaten track that your countries kindred follow and flock too.

Where your presentation, behavior during interactions, and importantly your frequency and generosity when opening your wallet count for far more than the racial based stereotype and fear factor.[/QUOTE]Sage advice TGT. As a yank, I've seen hood rats and crackers ruin some good mongering locations; Costa Rica, Medellin, Rio, the DR. Follow the airlines then change locations. When Spirit, Frontier, Ryan and other discount carriers start flying to hobby destinations, low class riff raff soon follows and ruins it for others.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035861]Still having a hard time landing anyone on ThaiFriendly,........ but main takeaways from that first evening are (1) Thai girls look weird, their body shapes are weird, faces are weird and (2) it's better to walk around Nana and outside Nana to find what you like. There were a bunch more bars inside Nana that seemed more promising than Billboard, but still really hard to find hot girls when compared to European or LatAm visual standards.

Initial impression is that Bangkok is best for low optics expectations, low prices and more pros than civilians. At least this time of year.[/QUOTE]"Thai girls look weird". Wow. Well! Probably the best advice is if you pack your bag, get a BOLT to the airport and get the first plane out.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035861]And Billboard, despite everyone talking about how great it is, not a single girl caught my attention from 8-9 pm on a Monday. I was in there for a solid 50 minutes. Going to try again tomorrow,[/QUOTE]Most people talking about Billboard being great are doing so because of the relaxed atmosphere of the place.

No pressure to buy drinks every few minutes, plenty of customers and girls on stage, good music, well built stage.

I'm not sure there are many people from this board barfining girls in that place.

Personally I go there to sip one or two drinks before getting the fuck out of the plaza.

Besides, Mondays are never great days to visit these kind of places.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035861] On ThaiFriendly, the girls aren't even reading my messages (and it's so hard to find any that are actually hot). [/QUOTE]Have you purchased a membership on TF?

The good looking girls on TF get inundated with messages from punters eager for action. If you are a member your message sits towards the top of their list, otherwise it'll be lavishing in the basement and unlikely to be seen.

Hi all,

As this is my first time mongering internationally, need some suggestion regarding Thailand scene especially in places like Bangkok and pattaya. I am looking for some unique experiences like nuru massages, milking table. As I will be traveling in 2 days need urgent suggestions. TIA.

[QUOTE=YourGuy;3035936]Hi all,

As this is my first time mongering internationally, need some suggestion regarding Thailand scene especially in places like Bangkok and pattaya. I am looking for some unique experiences like nuru massages, milking table. As I will be traveling in 2 days need urgent suggestions. TIA.[/QUOTE]Golly, gee. . . If only there was a place where you could read for yourself and find that all this information already exists.

Nice detailed post. Similar status and planning for my trip during Nov 15th weekend. Just being positive and not worrying much about the things I cannot control.

[QUOTE=DonutRider;3035454]Five foot seven, brown skinned south Indian here. First solo international trip dedicated for mongering and chose Thailand for the sake of convenience. Only agenda is to fuck as much pussy as possible. Quite drinking and smoking recently, so no bar visits planned.

Day 1.

Landed in Suvarnabhumi, bus to Pattaya. Booked flipper house near the beach. Registered TF premium 3 weeks prior, but IMO its just a waste of time. I would maybe book them for right now, couple of hours later / tonight. Most of them won't even remember you for tomorrow.

Girl 1 TF. Did a rookie mistake not confirming her on video call, She arrived, pleasant lady but way bulkier than the pics. CBJ and vanilla sex - 2 k THB. She kept messaging me on whatsapp for next few days and gave me tips and suggestions on things!.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035861]Still having a hard time landing anyone on ThaiFriendly, or Seeking, and wondering if it's my beard. Or maybe it's how I reach out to the girls? I use the same script as in Europe and LatAm, which usually gets to the money discussion in 2-3 steps. On ThaiFriendly, the girls aren't even reading my messages (and it's so hard to find any that are actually hot). On Seeking, same issue finding actually hot girls, and I'm getting numbers but there's no engagement after the messaging part. Is it just because there's too many guys here, or is it my beard?

Beard wasn't a problem when I went out to the gogos last night for the first time. Tons of women grabbing me, trying to get me into their club. Freelancers outside Nana too. Some of the girls outside Nana were actually hotter than the girls inside. And Billboard, despite everyone talking about how great it is, not a single girl caught my attention from 8-9 pm on a Monday. I was in there for a solid 50 minutes. Going to try again tomorrow, but main takeaways from that first evening are (1) Thai girls look weird, their body shapes are weird, faces are weird and (2) it's better to walk around Nana and outside Nana to find what you like. There were a bunch more bars inside Nana that seemed more promising than Billboard, but still really hard to find hot girls when compared to European or LatAm visual standards.

Initial impression is that Bangkok is best for low optics expectations, low prices and more pros than civilians. At least this time of year.[/QUOTE]Billboard: I agree it isin't always that great but you were too early to find out. The better girls don't start until 9:00 PM. My advice is arrive by 8:45 to get a decent seat and stay until around 10:00 if you want to see the best talent. Lately Rainbow 5 has had a solid lineup later in the evening but not every night.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035861]Still having a hard time landing anyone on ThaiFriendly, or Seeking, and wondering if it's my beard. Or maybe it's how I reach out to the girls? I use the same script as in Europe and LatAm, which usually gets to the money discussion in 2-3 steps. On ThaiFriendly, the girls aren't even reading my messages (and it's so hard to find any that are actually hot). On Seeking, same issue finding actually hot girls, and I'm getting numbers but there's no engagement after the messaging part. Is it just because there's too many guys here, or is it my beard?[/QUOTE]I don't think it's anything you're doing wrong. If I message five women in Thailand (TF), I might get one reply if I'm lucky. If I message five women in Kenya or the Dominican Republic (Tinder), I get five replies.

That's just how it is in Thailand.

Night one.

Landed about midnight and got to the hotel at 1:30 AM. Since it was late, I went to bed. Hahaha just kidding. Of course I went out!

Pretty much everything closes at 2 AM so figured prospects are slim. Since I love Nana plaza so much. I decided it's worth 15 minutes and arrived 1:45. (Staying quite close). The street was jam packed as was Nana. I was pleasantly surprised.

The even more pleasant surprise was that the 2 AM closing is 100% BS! What is true is that a bit after 2, they turn off all the neon storefronts to the gogos. But nothing changes at all inside! It rocks on. I left at 2:30 to meet some new friends I met on the plane and it was still going strong.

I got a great lay of the land in that brief 45 minutes. I first poked my head in Rainbow 5 which has developed a good rep, and I see why. It had the largest number of consistently pretty dancers. Musta easily been 30 or more and it's a small space maybe half the size of billboard.

As Rainbow 5 was just recon and it was packed, I quickly moved on to Billboard, my traditional favorite. I still love the Billboard vibe but it was def a little light on girls that time of night. Maybe 8 on the rotating stage and 3 in the sudsy tub. Good lively environment but not the top pick last night, so I didn't stay.

I popped into Butterflies briefly and it was solid but nothing I couldn't leave and they didn't rush to find me a seat so I did a walk around and left.

I bopped over to Geisha where I have grabbed a hottie before. It was def lively. Not super crowded for guests but lots of girls. Maybe 20 ish on stage and 5 in the tub. If you are into tiny spinners I'the say this is def a good club for you. A ton of tiny petite girls. One in particular caught my eye and any other night I would have grabbed her. But tonight is 90% recon.

A big draw of Geisha, which I recommend, is all the ladies in the soapy tub are fully naked! Of course there are strategically placed bubbles but little is left to the imagination. And they aren't shy. I bought a Singha beer and hung out nearby and enjoyed a lot of soapy eye contact.

In the end, I went back to Rainbow 5 for another beer and lots of ogling but left at 2:30 to meet friends in Patpong at Kings Castle 2 since it's open till 3.

Patpong was definitely a bust that late at night. Whereas Nana was still bustling Patpong seems dead. Kings Castle 2 was closed tight despite what google says. There were two other Kings Castle on same street but both winding down. I stopped in one at 2:55 and he said they close in five minutes so I left.

There was a bar there called Mussik Bar that had a fun vibe still going. About 6-8 bar girls just laughing and dancing (for fun, not the Bangkok shuffle) but no one seemed interested in engaging and I didn't initiate so I had a beer and left. Might be an ok place tho.

Since patpong was a bust and I couldn't connect w my friends I headed back to the Nana area. Still bustling at 4! I walked past one street where Pim massage had girls hustling and I filed that for later. Happened upon a small pool bar and had a few nice games with a GILF. She was darn good and beat me 4 times but always within one ball.

There were a couple hotties in there and I thought I might barfine one but she didn't seem super in to me and offered 1000 BF + 4000 for her, which is gogo pricing at a bar. Nice enough time there but no thanks.

I decided to wander back to that alley with massage and the girls where still there trying to pull me. But I thought I'the explore on my own so I wandered down that alley. A couple cheap hotels but not much to see. But all the way at the end of the alley I saw someone go into a sliding door and could see a really nice finished space with bar and pool table. So I followed him in.

To cut to the chase this turns out to be the Orbit hotel. It's not even listed in English on Google. And there are three or four girls playing pool and another guy or girl lounging around. Figure it can't hurt to play a few games with (relatively) pretty girls, so I do.

After maybe five games I ask the momma the deal and she says 1000 bar fine and rest up to girl. I was thinking of taking one of the two I was playing with but she calls over another girl who I hadn't seen. Cute girl with braces and baggy sweats and sneakers. Looks about 17 though she says she's 27 and I can def believe that as her body def has a little bit of mom shape when naked.

I pay the bill before we go to the room and there was a little bit of subterfuge on the bill. I'the bought a lot of girls drinks at 200 and 250 which is fine. Pocket change. But they did sneak on 500 for the room in addition to the bar fine. That being $15 I just let it slide.

My girl was 3000 which seems a bit high for your average bar girl but I was ready to get it on at this point and I'm not going to haggle over $15. The in room experience was decidedly meh, though she was a very nice girl. No kissing. Very little and quite lame BJ. Nice body, tho a bit thick in spots. And good fucking. Def not the best but glad to get the first one in. Didn't end up cumming after 8 or 9 drinks but that was Ok. Saved it for today!

When I returned to my hotel at 530 AM the bar I played pool at was still rolling as were some other things on the street Nana plaza is on. You won't get bored here!

To summarize Nana plaza. It is a stunning extravaganza of pussy and pounding beats. Really something you must experience. And there are probably like 30 clubs. So you are bound to find something you like. Plus, the 2 AM close is complete nonsense. Just make sure you are through the gate before 2.

Of the clubs I quickly visited which are generally my favorites. Here's my synopsis:

Billboard. Maybe best on balance because it's got a great vibe and solid number of pretty girls. I adore the rotating stage. Every club should have it! Better a bit earlier. Have pulled solid girls from here. (And one bad one).

Butterflies. Solid club. Nice setup with lounge chairs near the stages if you want to ogle. I've pulled a couple hotties here.

Rainbow 5 - Best selection of slim and taller girls. Lots of girls and a small club. Prob can't go wrong but I haven't pulled here yet.

Geisha. Best selection of pixies. Fully nude bubble tub. I wish they would rotate more. You really have to get up and walk around to see the girls. Have pulled a hottie from here before.

Quick update more later. Met up with Ted Ferguson. Great guy. Had some dinner and hit Nana Plaza.

Red Dragon I had been told by another ISG local that Res Dragon is the best club if you get there early. Man no lie. When we entered at 8:15 there were 15-20 girls on stage. And they ran a shift change and girls in pink bikinis swapped out the girls in green. Musta easily been 40 girls in there. All slim and pretty. We were impressed. Best lineup of any club tonight.

Rainbow 5 I guess ymmv. Last night at 2 AM had the best selection of slim tall girls. Tonight at 8:30 there were fewer girls and they were heavier. So I guess R5 is like a box of chocolates.

Wonderland Not my thing but an interesting club. They clearly specialize in pasty white girls. That porcelain skin the Koreans love. Every girl fit this profile.

Madarin Find of the night. It's next to Red Dragon. ALL NAKED girls ins big tub. No suds. Just gyrating pussy on display. And highest mileage club I've been to. A girl did a virtually naked lap dance on me with grinding and tittie squeezing she was a wildcat. I bought her two drinks and that was all. Def repeat.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;3035982]I don't think it's anything you're doing wrong. If I message five women in Thailand (TF), I might get one reply if I'm lucky. If I message five women in Kenya or the Dominican Republic (Tinder), I get five replies.

That's just how it is in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I'd disagree.

If he has been in BKK for say a week, he should have at least 50 likes / visits / messages from FL's and about 100 more from ten tonne tessie old hags from the Countryside begging for marriage.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;3035982]I don't think it's anything you're doing wrong. If I message five women in Thailand (TF), I might get one reply if I'm lucky. If I message five women in Kenya or the Dominican Republic (Tinder), I get five replies.

That's just how it is in Thailand.[/QUOTE]On my last trip to Bangkok, I had a TF1 subscription and I was lucky enough to chat with a Thai woman who offered to pick me up at the airport (for a fee). It was already late. She waited for me in the hotel lobby while I took a shower, and then we spent the evening together. She slept at my place. I saw her three nights in a row and one day. Then after my return from Ho Chi Minh City. Nothing charged. It was nice.

Small sample size of one night. Rainbow s 4/ 5 full on uninspiring Girls.

Can anybody explain the charges in Aries. What are these tiers, are these types of masseuse or something else. As basically duration is same for every tier. I see no difference.

Asked them and they said "only difference is customer popularity. ".

TIA.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3036051]I'd disagree.

If he has been in BKK for say a week, he should have at least 50 likes / visits / messages from FL's and about 100 more from ten tonne tessie old hags from the Countryside begging for marriage.[/QUOTE]Yes, I've also received tons of likes and visits. But when I message them, I don't get a reply. Only one in five responds.

A few messaged me first. If I reply, I usually don't get a response. Only one in five responds.

[QUOTE=YourGuy;3036137]Can anybody explain the charges in Aries. What are these tiers, are these types of masseuse or something else. As basically duration is same for every tier. I see no difference.

Asked them and they said "only difference is customer popularity. ".

TIA.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Aries but other high end places have three catagories based on looks or nationality. But it's a very subjective thing. Koreans and Chinese who are often customers and not too price sensitive prefer busty super pale girls. So they cost the most. And the local darker thai girls the least. That's great for me because I prefer Thai's and Viets and south Asian girls. So I can choose lowest tier.

That said this pricing seems very high for what look to be very average or below average facilities. The lowest tier at 3500 is what most of the other places with similar apparent room quality charge. But maybe the higher end girls are amazing. I don't know.

I went to 10 Ten yesterday (used to be called 7 Seven on Google) and it was well run and enjoyed my girl Daw quite a bit. Facility was a little dumpy/small which is standard in that price category. 3500 for 90 mins Nuru. (Ps Nuru is not anywhere near Japanese standards but didnt suck)

Ps if u are not going today stay tuned. I’m going to explore and either going to Dragon Heart or Fin69 in a couple hours and can advise on that.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035861]Still having a hard time landing anyone on ThaiFriendly, or Seeking, and wondering if it's my beard. Or maybe it's how I reach out to the girls? I use the same script as in Europe and LatAm, which usually gets to the money discussion in 2-3 steps. On ThaiFriendly, the girls aren't even reading my messages (and it's so hard to find any that are actually hot). On Seeking, same issue finding actually hot girls, and I'm getting numbers but there's no engagement after the messaging part. Is it just because there's too many guys here, or is it my beard?[/QUOTE]Are you only contacting the hottest girls on Thai Friendly? (I don't have any experience with Seeking). If so, they literally get hundreds of messages, day in day out, so it's not that easy to get their attention.
It might help to send them a message when they are online NOW, or when they were online only a few minutes ago. These girls live in the moment, and don't want to go through hundreds of messages to find a bloke they like.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3036051]I'd disagree.

If he has been in BKK for say a week, he should have at least 50 likes / visits / messages from FL's and about 100 more from ten tonne tessie old hags from the Countryside begging for marriage.[/QUOTE]The problem with TF is that you can set preferences but cannot force anyone to respect them. So when you say you are looking for girls from Bangkok under the age of 30 expect to be contacted by a tidal wave of 50 year olds from Chaing Mai, Surat Thani and the like.

I think the way you have split the contacts is a bit inaccurate. More likely 1 stunner, 9 freelancers and 140 less than desirables.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035861]Still having a hard time landing anyone on ThaiFriendly, or Seeking, and wondering if it's my beard. .... There were a bunch more bars inside Nana that seemed more promising than Billboard, but still really hard to find hot girls when compared to European or LatAm visual standards.

Initial impression is that Bangkok is best for low optics expectations, low prices and more pros than civilians.[/QUOTE]TF,

If you're looking for ladies who look like Thai beauty queens, they won't be found at Nana. Black Caviar and Maria's can have great optics starting at 10 k thb and going up to 30 k thb, so 400-1000 usd. If I'm not mistaken, Black Caviar girls are freelancers and set their own price.

Seeking isn't active in Thailand.

ThaiFriendly in BKK is a dating app not a p4 p app, so girls are there looking for unpaid hookups and boyfriends and it's based on your looks, like Tinder. In Pattaya ThaiFriendly is a p4 p app.

With many hot p4 p Thai girls, your own looks could matter. Some girls only go with East Asian guys or reject guys they don't find attractive etc.

Rather than going the usual places discussed here I decided to branch out a bit and TOFTT if necessary. I looked on Google for erotic massage and managed to run across Fin69 that had 73 five star reviews and nothing even remotely bad mentioned. I am smart enough to discount single entry fake reviews and this is not that. So I thought I'the give it a whirl. And WOW. True Japanese style Nuru from start to finish, including attentive bath prep and wind down. I've never had anything close outside Japan.

Most Nuru here is fake. Not real Nuru gel. And / or not much of it. Your not suppose to have a squeeze bottle. You're suppose to have a small bucketful and they did at Fin69. I had Ivy for 3500 for an hour in the VIP room. That too is worth the upgrade. Most spas in this price range have a tiny mattress you barely fit on and don't have a dedicated wet space. Fin69 has the correct setup in their VIP rooms.

Ivy is a bit GND with her braces and all but her service is TOPs. Full Japanese service from start to stop. You will feel like a king. And what a cute and bubbly personality including pretty good English and Chinese (she said most of their customers are Chinese — which makes sense cuz they know real Nuru.) Def high recommend.

Plus bonus points - its on the same street as Nana Plaza. Maybe 10 minutes walk off the main drag.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3036181]The problem with TF is that you can set preferences but cannot force anyone to respect them. So when you say you are looking for girls from Bangkok under the age of 30 expect to be contacted by a tidal wave of 50 year olds from Chaing Mai, Surat Thani and the like.[/QUOTE]If you have a premium account, you can specify in the settings that you only want to be contacted by girls in your preferred age.
I recently found out about this setting. I think it's new, unless I have always overlooked it.

[QUOTE=YourGuy;3036137]Can anybody explain the charges in Aries. What are these tiers, are these types of masseuse or something else. As basically duration is same for every tier. I see no difference.

Asked them and they said "only difference is customer popularity. ".

TIA.[/QUOTE]They answered your question, truthfully. The tip-top includes their queen size room which otherwise is 300 baht extra. Otherwise the system is pure capitalism. Supply and demand.

One of the reasons Aries is one of the very best places in town (and most expensive) is how well it's run. They normally ask you as you leave to fill out a customer satisfaction survey. The better the girls perform in this combined with how much they are in demand sets the price.

Some of the performers are fully booked several days in advance. That's why the can get paid more than someone who isn't as popular.

Can you find a star there who isn't top tier? 100 percent. One of my favorites there is Hikaru and 'only' premium which means 1500 baht cheaper than the top tier.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3036189]If you have a premium account, you can specify in the settings that you only want to be contacted by girls in your preferred age.
I recently found out about this setting. I think it's new, unless I have always overlooked it.[/QUOTE]I always take out a premium account when in town, but have never seen that option before. Should be back in town next months so hopefully will be able to try it out.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3035861]Still having a hard time landing anyone on ThaiFriendly, or Seeking, and wondering if it's my beard.

Initial impression is that Bangkok is best for low optics expectations, low prices and more pros than civilians. At least this time of year.[/QUOTE]Hey TedFerguson,

If you're not having any luck with Thai Friendly or the Gogos/Bars/Clubs scene in Nana, have you considered trying out Thermae on Sukhumvit Road/Soi 15? Lots of freelancers there and some of them are reasonably good looking. Maybe one or two stunners on a good night. You could develop a relationship with them after an initial ST or LT encounter.

If you need to let off some steam, try Princess or Queen's Massage near Soi 33 and Sukhumvit Road. Also try your luck on T Ded 99 in the Phaya Thai district. There could be a couple of gems there too.

Howie.

It's been getting slightly better (the city is way more of an adjustment than what I'm used to in Europe or the Americas). As Steve mentioned, we hit the gogos and did it properly this time, checking out each and every one for a few seconds before sitting. There were a few good looking girls, but, as a previous poster said, you really have to dig for them. Red Dragon stood out because it was fully staffed early in the night and I'm an early sleeper.

ThaiFriendly also got better. I landed an English speaking college girl who's finishing up her studies and going back to her hometown next week. Great conversation, Thai culture is truly unique in the world. But otherwise visually unimpressive. Most surprising was that the sex as well was mediocre and a bit staged despite the solid conversation and warmup. We did however talk about the water hose attached to the toilet, which is apparently the best way to clean up and toilet paper should only be used to dry (news for me).

Anyhow, my impression remains that finding any kind of connection here is unlikely. And that's unlikely in most Asian countries, for cultural reasons. The cultural homogeneity and racial differences lead people to see themselves as "different" from caucasians. It takes more education and world experience to realize that we're all the same. The one exception in the area (I hope) might be the Philippines, which will be my next destination. I'm betting the overwhelming friendliness of the people there, the Spanish and American influences, will make it easier to find non-transactional experiences in the Asian world.

I appreciate the suggestions and help from you guys. It's been very helpful. Thank you.

So after my fun but somewhat mediocre sex night right after I landed, the next 48 hours were top notch. Here's how my first full day went down.

Started the day with a one hour foot massage for a whopping $10 USD. So good! And a foot massage here is not just feet. You get solid calf and some thigh work and about ten minutes at the end of neck and shoulders. And then onto the debauchery.

Someone had recently posted about 10 Ten massage which used to be called 7 Seven massage (and still on Google as that) so I decided to check it out, especially since it's close to my hotel. They have a good Line presence (WhatsApp for Asia) and post the girls and pricing there.

The shop itself is not really as nice as the Google pics. Def a bit more run down and cramped. That said, I had a GREAT time. They show you the girls on an iPad and the good thing about that is it lists natural or fake tits and more importantly extra services! Like some girls do CIM for 300 baht. And one girl does bareback and CIP for 1000 baht more!

In addition to the iPad, he pulled all the girls for a lineup. I chose Daw who is super cute with natural tits and CIM available. It was 3500 for a 90 minute Nuru for any of them.

The rooms upstairs are a bit dingy and tiny. Only room for a twin size Nuru mattress. This is typical at this price point, but lame compared to Fin69 see recent report. The shower water never got hot so that wasn't awesome either.

All that said, I had an AMAZING time with Daw. The massage itself started like all Nuru with you on your stomach. And the Nuru to start was very lame. Not enough Nuru gel and none on the mat to grind your dick against. But when she got to the part where she spreads your legs and slides her hand under and is getting sloppy with your asshole, taint and balls it starts getting good. Very good.

That part is really good but the flip is even better. After the flip, she is doing the full body slide with those natural tits but most amazing is that she is sliding my dick near her pussy almost like sumata and it seems always about to slip inside. It is so sexy that I threaten to blow my load right there, 20 minutes in! I have to lift her off me to prevent an early exit!!

We get back to the slip and slide and do some quite good BJ as well mixed in with slippery hand on balls work. Nice! But now it's time to transition to the bed.

On the bed the fucking is great. Doggie and mish are both great. But no the Steve because the bed is too low. I am doing so much bareback these days that I'm not going to get a shot off in the condom. So after prob 20 minutes of fucking, I ask her to move back to the mat. I also tell her that I want to CIM and she says fine but doesn't mention the upcharge. We do more body slide and that skin to dick slide is soooo good.

Still not going to get there having fucked less than 12 hours ago, so I put her back on BJ. Her BJ is solid. The integration of slippery hand and solid shaft work is working and I blast a load CIM. Lovely.

We clean up and I give her 500 baht and she is very surprised. Of course the 300 baht is for the CIM, per her profile, but I guess she forgot and wasn't going to charge me. Awww. Love that. I say it's for the CIM and she is thrilled. I love that $15 USD can make a girls day here!

So a solid recommend on 10 Ten massage and Daw. But having gone to Fin69 the next day, I would recommend it more highly.

The day kinda flies by when you start at 10 and get a foot massage and a fuck. And before long I'm having dinner with Ted Ferguson! Really nice guy and easy company. We have some Michelin starred Thai and it's lovely. And then of course it's time for Nana Plaza!

See the post below called "Quick Update" for the summary of the gogos Ted and I hit. At some point I wore Ted out and he rocked on while I continued the pursuit of pussy! I just love the gogos to an unhealthy degree 😝.

I actually make a great find later that night. When you are at Red Dragon and you come out there are alot of pretty girls in sparkling uniforms. I was wondering what they are doing there and for what club. It turns out they are the eye candy for Mandarin.

Once you go into Mandarin, they take you upstairs. And here is the surprise. There are fifteen girls in a big tub and they are FULLY NUDE. Pussy waving out free and clear. No suds no nothing! It's totally unique in Nana.

I just sit and watch the spectacle. After maybe 20 minutes there is a shift change and the girls who are sitting around the club in black dresses all shed their dress and get in the tub. And the tub girls all pull on a single piece black dress, no panties.

The girls who exited the tub all cruise the club looking for takers. I actually have a Teams meeting at 11 PM, so I am not inclined to grab a girl right now. But when a cute one comes by and is quite persistent in a nice way I tell her to sit.

She lights up like fireworks and sits on my lap. She's very bubbly and light grinding and of course asks for a drink. I never begrudge a pretty lady a $6 drink so grab her one and she gets a whole lot friendlier physically.

Next thing I know she hikes up her dress and starts grinding her bare pussy on me, beautiful ass exposed. I grab her hips and grind back. Niceee! Well it gets better. She then pulls down her top to expose a nice pair of soft Bee cups. And puts my hands on them.

Like most girls, she loves the circular motion and reminds me from time to time by driving my hands in circles. Basically a fully nude lap dance with a bit of cloth around her waist! I reward her with a second drink tho she isn't pushy about it. But then I got to go to my meeting, else I woulda bar fined her.

I'm able to wrap my meeting in a half hour and head back to Nana. I am thinking I am going to bar fine the Mandarin hottie but don't want to short change the Nana experience. So I poke around a bit before settling into Billboard prob my favorite club for hanging out.

It is absolutely packed at midnight. The waitress seats me at the rotating stage which I actually love. Yes I get a crick in my neck looking up at the girls. So worth it. There are 25 girls packed on there and all pretty in their own way. The parade of camel toe and stripper heels is just amazing. The inventor of the rotating stage deserves a fucking medal. It should be required at all gogos. A new Thai law!

After maybe 30 minutes of ogling, a stone cold hottie joins the stage. Huge eyes and thick lips. Slim and toned abs and bringing some real heat beyond the Bangkok shuffle. I let her go around a couple times to check the entire package. But she's great in eye contact with me and other guys and I know she's going to get pulled soon, so I pull her.

Very sexy and good chemistry and good English. But when I go to bar fine her, I tell the mama that I will pay the bar fine now but pay the girl after. But the girl is having none of that and turns into an ice cold *****, like a switch was flipped. We argue a bit but neither is budging so she stomps off. Boo. But prob dodged a bullet.

But the gods smile upon me for my professional girl-enthusiast discussion with the hottie and sticking to my guns. I pay my bill and go to leave but the central aisle is blocked, so I detour by the soapy tub and BAM I am struck by lightning. A petite hottie with an electric smile, perfect AB naturals and some banging dance moves catches my eye. Wow.

Well I'm not going to let her get away, so I call her down right away. And get her a drink. She's bubbly and fun. It's not super handsy but has my arms wrapped around her. Such a sweet pixie!

I decide I don't want to kill the vibe so rather than having the money-after discussion I decide to pay up front if she answers my question right. So I key in that I want to take it slow like BFGF and kissing and no condom for BJ. She clarifies condom for sex but otherwise nods enthusiastically and is thrilled I'm going to bar fine her. Oddly bar fine for first girl was going to be 1000 and this girl 700. Plus 4000 to the girl.

The in room experience was super with her very submissive and willing to please. After some very solid BJ I decide to DATY her like a real BF. Super clean and lovely and the tiniest little pussy on the planet. And it's super satisfying. I work her tits first then tease the fuck out of her licking and kissing my way down and around her pussy but not diving in. Eventually I do dive in and she is sloppy wet from the lead up.

Now I know she's a pro and therefore going to be a challenge but I am up for it. She starts out a bit indifferent. Maybe ten minutes of eyes closed but not much response. But then I can tell I've got her when she starts working her tits and tweaking the nipples. Then starts to grind and moan. It's a labor of love maybe 20 minutes but she has a crashing O, with her knees flying up around her ears and bucking like a bronco.

Well this obviously broke the ice because she's super service oriented from there out. Some amazing fucking in all the positions. Such a petite girl I actually bottom out in mish and she cries out. First time ever! But doggie and the Steve both let me go balls deep without hurting her. Really good. A lot more BJ. And a final lovely shot with her on BLS.

As we wrap I ask for a pic as I do with all my girls but she says she would rather not, as her family and friends don't know she does this. Fair enough but I tell it's just for me and says ok and a get a pic of her thousand watt smile before she bids me adieu. Wow. Great time. What an amazing pixie hottie. Thailand rules!

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3036237]I always take out a premium account when in town, but have never seen that option before. Should be back in town next months so hopefully will be able to try it out.[/QUOTE]It's part of the privacy options.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3036279]
Anyhow, my impression remains that finding any kind of connection here is unlikely. And that's unlikely in most Asian countries, for cultural reasons. The cultural homogeneity and racial differences lead people to see themselves as "different" from caucasians. It takes more education and world experience to realize that we're all the same. The one exception in the area (I hope) might be the Philippines, which will be my next destination. I'm betting the overwhelming friendliness of the people there, the Spanish and American influences, will make it easier to find non-transactional experiences in the Asian world.[/QUOTE]The Philippines might be less 'Asian' than Thailand, but I think you will be disappointed by the looks of the average Filipina. Thai girls are better looking, generally speaking. IMHO anyway.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;3036279]I
Anyhow, my impression remains that finding any kind of connection here is unlikely. And that's unlikely in most Asian countries, for cultural reasons. The cultural homogeneity and racial differences lead people to see themselves as "different" from caucasians. It takes more education and world experience to realize that we're all the same. The one exception in the area (I hope) might be the Philippines, which will be my next destination. I'm betting the overwhelming friendliness of the people there, the Spanish and American influences, will make it easier to find non-transactional experiences in the Asian world.

I appreciate the suggestions and help from you guys. It's been very helpful. Thank you.[/QUOTE]The Filipinos are polynesian with some East Asian influence to go along with the Spanish and American influence. I recently laughed at a Chinese friend of mine who is in South America working in Guyana. She said the longer she stays the less she likes the locals. She complained that they are always trying to cheat her or steal from her. I laughed and told her welcome to the world where the locals view you as having an endless supply of money.

So today my night is even more fucked for meetings than last night. I have a Teams call from 9:30 to 1:30. Yep. Pretty much my entire night. That sucks and I need a plan to work around this.

I am thinking easiest route is to just do one shot during the day. And the place for this is massage. As per my prior post, Daw at 10 Ten was great but the facility and Nuru quality not so much. Of course there are the high end soapies. But at 8000 Baht and up just not sure it's worth it. I've been to Mango at 3000 and liked it but same cramped rooms as 10 Ten. Hmmm.

So meticulous researcher that I am I whip out google maps and search for Erotic massage. Interestingly this turns up several that aren't on the forum. But the one that stands out is Fin69, down the street from Nana Plaza.

Fin69 has over 70 five star reviews and nothing below that. No negative comments at all. Not even a four star review. All five stars. What? That never happens. So I read the reviews and look for all those fake one-review platitudes but they aren't there. These reviews are legit so I figure I'll give it a go.

Like many of the massage places they have a strong Line presence. Automatically spits back pricing and the girls in house at the moment. I decide I like Ivy and end up booking her, though only 15 minutes in advance.

She's a tad less pretty than the pics, including braces which aren't in the pic. Of course braces have that schoolgirl charm as well. And she exudes youthful enthusiasm from the opening bell to the finish line and beyond.

I choose the VIP room because in the pics it's clear that it has a jacuzzi tub and enough space for a queen blowup bed for Nuru. This is a great call for an extra 500 baht and makes the full Nuru experience possible.

We start in the wet area where Ivy gives amazing Japan-worthy bath prep. Using the handheld wand and her hands and lots of soap she lathers and rinses every square inch. It's very subservient and you feel like a king. She even dries me off, not letting me lift a finger.

Again, clearly knowing a professional Nuru experience, she starts the tub, allowing it to fill throughout our session. And she prepares a large vat of Nuru gel and gets the mat out. Now that's more like it!

If you aren't familiar with Nuru it's the most amazing stuff. It's made from seaweed and is therefore completely edible. It's slippery as fuck and doesn't lose its slide like oil, silicone and lube do. It's just ridiculously slick and lasting. And it rinses off clean unlike lube or oil. Pure magic. Leave it to the Japanese.

She starts me on my back so she can lube up my front with gel. Then puts me on my front and her sliding on my back. She's clearly been trained in this because she pulls all the tricks the Japanese girls do. Like she rides the backside of your leg facing your feet. This sounds not very sensual but here's the kicker. Her foot keeps sliding up under you and gets a great stroke along your dick with every slide. It's a super pro move and feels great.

She also slides her tits all over the bottom of my feet, which I don't recall as being standard and it is surprisingly erotic. So much so that by the time the flip comes I'm hard as a brick!

Of course post flip is amazing with her sliding body to body. We don't actually get as much good sumata as Daw but it's still very nice.

This is followed by grabbing the condom and fucking cowgirl. And I will say here they missed a play from the Japanese playbook. Last time I had Nuru in Japan when it was time to fuck on the mat they put a towel under me for friction of being able to drive in and out. Lacking that we had some trouble really getting the fucking solid on the mat. So I dispense with that and move back to BJ.

Her BJ is excellent and lots of integrated ball work (I've never understood why most girls don't work your balls while they suck. It's just the best.) Her ass is fabulous and she has it facing me while she blows me. I'm fingering her pussy and it's a sloppy fucking mess which really gets me off. Eventually I shoot my shot and it feels great.

There is great wind down here as well. First tub-soaking together in the bubble bath. She does some shoulder massage in the tub and then the full rinsing and drying ritual. She even takes me all the way to the lobby and helps me with my socks and shoes. Ivy is a fucking gem! 100% Japanese Nuru quality from a thai girl. Who knew? High recommend on Fin69.

I have a nice dinner with a friend of a friend and then my fucking ridiculous unmissable four hour meeting. As it drones on I am thinking about how sleepy I am and just going to bed is the wise thing. Of course I don't do that!

When we wrap I head over to Soi 7 Alley hoping Wood Bar stays open but alas it's closed. But quite a few of the pool bars are rocking. I end up at Magic Table which has three tables and a few milfy gals. Nothing to write home about but presuming they know their way around a dick at this point.

Play some pool with the most attractive one and I am horrible. Probably not drunk enough. We play five amiable games and I finally win one as it's nearing three. I key in to ask her about a blowjob in the back room and she is down so off we go.

Def not the best I've had and she has a stack of individual wet wipes 6" tall. Mercifully after an initial inspection and a couple wipes she's not like getting them out every five minutes. For an experienced girl I'm surprised her BJ is a bit toothy but somehow we wank one out after 20+ minutes. She put in the work. And nice to get a second shot that day when I thought the meeting would totally fuck that. Didn't have the energy to fuck but the BJ was the perfect thing.

And so wraps the second full day of my trip with five girls in the rearview.

P.S. They say Jakarta is the new Bangkok as far as fucking girls on the cheap. I def find it quite compelling. Bop over to the Jakarta thread if you want to follow me there. $22 to fuck a hottie in a nice club atmosphere (and maybe a tip for bareback). And the pumping vibe with over a hundred girls just a laser away is just WOW. Id say yes, worth exploring!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta

I am going to Bangkok and thank you very much for all the helpful posts. I am interested to hit one the clubs like levels，insanity， mixx etc.

I want to have some fun there first drinking and enjoying the music and also trying to find a freelancer. I did see some older reports but not much recently. Is it worth it to go? I have nana on my list and also a nuru place but want something else on the weekend. Will probably hit la belle first and then late in the evening one of the clubs.

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3036449]This is followed by grabbing the condom and fucking cowgirl. And I will say here they missed a play from the Japanese playbook. Last time I had Nuru in Japan when it was time to fuck on the mat they put a towel under me for friction of being able to drive in and out. Lacking that we had some trouble really getting the fucking solid on the mat. So I dispense with that and move back to BJ.

Her BJ is excellent and lots of integrated ball work (I've never understood why most girls don't work your balls while they suck. It's just the best.) Her ass is fabulous and she has it facing me while she blows me. I'm fingering her pussy and it's a sloppy fucking mess which really gets me off. Eventually I shoot my shot and it feels great.

There is great wind down here as well. First tub-soaking together in the bubble bath. She does some shoulder massage in the tub and then the full rinsing and drying ritual. She even takes me all the way to the lobby and helps me with my socks and shoes. Ivy is a fucking gem! 100% Japanese Nuru quality from a thai girl. Who knew? High recommend on Fin69.[/QUOTE]I am curious, you say you have done Nuru in Japan as well. I am always keen to get the opinion of people who have mongered in both Thailand and Japan as to comparisons.

I have been thinking of a trip to Tokyo in January rather than BKK but am hesitant after reading up about the High prices in Japan compared to Thailand, the fact a lot of places don't do FS or indeed allow Foreigners. Also a lot of reports (reading the forums) give the impression that the reality of the massage places / girls in Japan don't live up to the hype / advertising.

It's kind of making me think that euro for euro or dollar for dollar, Thailand & BKK is actually a better hunting ground with as good or better offerings.

Do you have an opinion after being to both?

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3035217]Not clear on how or where you are entering the country, but assuming by air: Take a taxi to a massage joint. Plan on a 30-60 minute drive to and from your arrival airport. Massage options and locations are discussed in depth in the Thailand sub-forum. Happy mongering..[/QUOTE]Thanks bro. Yes I'll enter via BKK airport. Just trying to gauge if 9 hours is enough to get to the city for a bang and go having said I need to do all logistics, custom, bags, re-check in it's just a tight spot. Nothing closer within 30 min drive from BKK airport?

[QUOTE=ThaiStyle;3035222]A decent hotel near the airport and a pre booked escort would be my choice with only 9 hours to spare, as that includes clearing immigration, checking in again etc then that doesn't leave you much time for travelling too far.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I was having in mind. For all logistics combined, this might be a better plan for 9 hours.

What would be a reliable source for escort?

[QUOTE=Martin39;3036489]I am going to Bangkok and thank you very much for all the helpful posts. I am interested to hit one the clubs like levels，insanity， mixx etc.

I want to have some fun there first drinking and enjoying the music and also trying to find a freelancer. I did see some older reports but not much recently. Is it worth it to go? I have nana on my list and also a nuru place but want something else on the weekend. Will probably hit la belle first and then late in the evening one of the clubs.

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There's been a distinct paucity of reports on clubs ever since COVID. I've one would like to see some more too.

Hi everyone! My wife and I will be visiting Pattaya and Bangkok for the first time (4 days each). We'd love your suggestions for the best places to hang out, Soapy Massages, Pool Party, enjoy nightlife, my wife wants to try lesbian stuff in our room where can we find girl who is a lesbian as well as Bi. Any must-visit spots or tips are welcome!

[QUOTE=RawhHigh;3036550]Exactly what I was having in mind. For all logistics combined, this might be a better plan for 9 hours.

What would be a reliable source for escort?[/QUOTE]Sorry I can't recommend a decent agency as I don't use them, I would use TF or a previous conquest via WhatsApp which obviously is no help to you, I think google or a fellow monger will be your friend here. I would never go to BKK for only 9 hours but I guess it's a work thing for you, so you've no choice.

9 hours is better then no hours.

[QUOTE=BanglSex;3036648]Hi everyone! My wife and I will be visiting Pattaya and Bangkok for the first time (4 days each). We'd love your suggestions for the best places to hang out, Soapy Massages, Pool Party, enjoy nightlife, my wife wants to try lesbian stuff in our room where can we find girl who is a lesbian as well as Bi. Any must-visit spots or tips are welcome![/QUOTE]I would also like to try.

[QUOTE=BanglSex;3036648]Hi everyone! my wife wants to try lesbian stuff in our room where can we find girl who is a lesbian as well as Bi.[/QUOTE][URL]https://honeybeemassagebangkok.com/masseuses/[/URL]

They do outcalls. Look for the categories in green below each lady.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3036334]The Philippines might be less 'Asian' than Thailand, but I think you will be disappointed by the looks of the average Filipina. Thai girls are better looking, generally speaking. IMHO anyway.[/QUOTE]Women in the Phillipines resemble Mexicans and even act like them. Also same cute when young but older get ugly as sin and fat and sloppy. Also some of the stankiest puss of all the Asian women I was ever with.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3036504]I am curious, you say you have done Nuru in Japan as well. I am always keen to get the opinion of people who have mongered in both Thailand and Japan as to comparisons.

I have been thinking of a trip to Tokyo in January rather than BKK but am hesitant after reading up about the High prices in Japan compared to Thailand, the fact a lot of places don't do FS or indeed allow Foreigners. Also a lot of reports (reading the forums) give the impression that the reality of the massage places / girls in Japan don't live up to the hype / advertising.

It's kind of making me think that euro for euro or dollar for dollar, Thailand & BKK is actually a better hunting ground with as good or better offerings.

Do you have an opinion after being to both?[/QUOTE]There is absolutely no question that Bangkok is more cost effective. But if cost is your main consideration then go to Jakarta. It's way less than Bangkok even.

As far as getting sex in Tokyo. Yes technically paid pussy sex is illegal. But the "soapy" have a get out of jail free card for some reason. As you say most soapys discriminate against foreigners. But the exception is [URL]https://gfe-japan.net/[/URL] GFE Soapland. They have a great business model of reverse discrimination. No japanese allowed! Only foreigners. Great place and great girls and full sex with 90 min Nuru booking. Transparent pricing on the website.

Have fun either way!

Didn't wrote from long time, but this I have to write, finally I met this girl.

Thai girl named Ey*. Calm, sweet, and surprisingly caring, I will say it again surprisingly caring not just a quick meet-and-go. I met her few months ago and luckily get chance to meet her in Bangkok this time, she remembered what I liked. Gave time, gave attention. I had great moments, and it felt real, not rushed. She's rare. Treat her well if you meet her.

Public Service Announcement:

I had heard good things about Jakarta and thought I'the give it a try. I am glad I did. If you are ok with a very loud atmosphere and picking out girls as easy as buying tomatoes then you will like Jakarta. And here is the stunner. At Classic my favorite club here fucking a girl onsite is USD $22. Wtf? And two girls is $30! Double triple wtf? Unbelievable. And these aren't overweight hags. Pretty, fit, slim. Service can vary because they are pretty young. But damn!

So if you want to try something new or save a few bucks, this is for you. I am really enjoying it. (don't get me wrong I still love Bangkok also). PS Bareback is super easy to get here as well if that is ur thing.

[QUOTE=Davey1965;3036749]Women in the Phillipines resemble Mexicans and even act like them. Also same cute when young but older get ugly as sin and fat and sloppy. Also some of the stankiest puss of all the Asian women I was ever with.[/QUOTE]I can deal with a lot, but a stanky pussy I can't fuck with Vicks in my nostrals LOL.

[QUOTE=Davey1965;3036749]Women in the Phillipines resemble Mexicans and even act like them. Also same cute when young but older get ugly as sin and fat and sloppy. Also some of the stankiest puss of all the Asian women I was ever with.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure where you are finding your girls, but I live in the Philippines and have pulled girls from northern Luzon to southern Mindanao and have yet to run into a single one with a smelly pussy. And no, my nose works just fine! If anything the girls in Philippines have shown themselves to have above average hygiene even for Southeast Asia generally, and that's a pretty high bar.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3036874]Public Service Announcement:

I had heard good things about Jakarta and thought I'the give it a try. I am glad I did. If you are ok with a very loud atmosphere and picking out girls as easy as buying tomatoes then you will like Jakarta. And here is the stunner. At Classic my favorite club here fucking a girl onsite is USD $22. Wtf? And two girls is $30! Double triple wtf? Unbelievable. And these aren't overweight hags. Pretty, fit, slim. Service can vary because they are pretty young. But damn!

So if you want to try something new or save a few bucks, this is for you. I am really enjoying it. (don't get me wrong I still love Bangkok also). PS Bareback is super easy to get here as well if that is ur thing.[/QUOTE]Value for money in the BKK p4 p scene has been bad for quite some time. A night in the gogos is going to set you back 6 k min and the ST is going to be short. Oilies are decent value but Jakarta absolutely wins for value. Main reason is not many tourists in Jakarta. It's a locals scene.

[QUOTE=Davey1965;3036749]Women in the Phillipines resemble Mexicans and even act like them. Also same cute when young but older get ugly as sin and fat and sloppy. Also some of the stankiest puss of all the Asian women I was ever with.[/QUOTE]Not sure about the latter statement but the former is certainly true. And it's certainly not the greatest food country. And the weather? Ugh. Never understood why people loved it and wanted to live there.

[QUOTE=Gamers60;3036863]Didn't wrote from long time, but this I have to write, finally I met this girl.

Thai girl named Ey*. Calm, sweet, and surprisingly caring, I will say it again surprisingly caring not just a quick meet-and-go. I met her few months ago and luckily get chance to meet her in Bangkok this time, she remembered what I liked. Gave time, gave attention. I had great moments, and it felt real, not rushed. She's rare. Treat her well if you meet her.[/QUOTE]Hey bro where does she work? I'll be there tomorrow!

[QUOTE=Rocketeer666;3036907]Hey bro where does she work? I'll be there tomorrow![/QUOTE]I met her at Elysium, I have her contact but can't send you, I took her X but don't think she use it much [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].

I knew digital IDs existed, but tonight was the first time that my bar fine presented her ID digitally to my hotel reception. The clerk simply photographed her ID. It worked out fine and reception still called my room when she exited the building, but it isn't as comforting as when reception holds her physical ID and she has to retrieve it.

I just came home from Patpong and experienced a bit of sticker shock and thought I would start a post where we could reconfirm pricing for this season.

Patpong:

As you know there are (four) King's Castles (I don't bother counting the billiard / karaoke bar in the tally). Walking from Surawong to Silom on the left side there are:

1. Original King's Castle (the one with the 30+ cute ones): I'm getting quotes of 4000/8000ST / LT (I can stomach this, considering the cuteness of the girls there).

2. Then the next one is a smaller bar that seems to specialize in tall / thin / tattooed variety: I was also quoted 4 k /8 k here just now. This surprised me a little as I consider the best girl in here to be a 7. 5 max.

3. Then you've got King's Castle II (the largest of the bars that seems to really focus on an Asian clientele): 4 k /8 k is the standard quote.

4. If you cross the Patpong market and go the lowest tier King's Castle: please don't tell me they have the audacity to ask for 4 k /8 k here!

Soi Cowboy:

I have not been yet this year, but I was hoping to get updates on the three I frequent (can someone please fill in the fields below):

Baccara: ST / LT =.

Crazy House: ST / LT =.

Dollhouse: ST / LT =.

Thermae: is it still 3000/5-7000 for ST / LT respectively?

NANA:

Rainbow 4: is it still 4000/8000 for ST / LT respectively?

Rainbow 5: as above?

Billboard:

Butterfly:

Geisha:

Twister:

Phaya Thai.

I'll admit that it's not an exhaustive list, but please feel free to add / amend with your frequently visited spots.

The goal here is to identify the current rates so that no one gets surprised with inflated rates.

Best of luck!

Anyone up for Tded 99 tonight? Send me a PM.

On pricing yes Billboard ST is 4000. I was surprised tho that one mama quoted me 1000 BF and another 700. Both within minutes of each other and both billboard.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3037068]Anyone up for Tded 99 tonight? Send me a PM.

On pricing yes Billboard ST is 4000. I was surprised tho that one mama quoted me 1000 BF and another 700. Both within minutes of each other and both billboard.[/QUOTE]I was quoted both of these numbers on different nights. I think it also depends on the night, as this quote was a week night. I asked on Friday and Saturday and was given higher numbers.

Additionally, I was quoted 3000 for the ST, but talked her down to 2,500 which I know is against the rules.

Sadly out of the 50+ girls at Billboards I saw over the course of two weeks I only saw one (1) that I would ST. I think her number was 901.

I did sit next to two other guys (one British senior citizen and one Chinese American 30 ish) and watch them pay almost 10,000 Baht for BF and LT, which is only 5-6 hours.

I asked the Chinese American guy from NY why he would pay that much and he replied. "I want to take her to get food with some friends and I have the money!" I thought, what a fool!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3037068]Anyone up for Tded 99 tonight? Send me a PM.

On pricing yes Billboard ST is 4000. I was surprised tho that one mama quoted me 1000 BF and another 700. Both within minutes of each other and both billboard.[/QUOTE]ST is 700 and LT is 1000 they don't always tell you. If you pay 700 the girl has to return to the bar or pay 300 baht. If you pay 1000 the girl returning to the bar is optional up to her depending on what time you let her leave.

[QUOTE=FriendlyGuyHi;3036981]I just came home from Patpong and experienced a bit of sticker shock and thought I would start a post where we could reconfirm pricing for this season.

Patpong:

As you know there are (four) King's Castles (I don't bother counting the billiard / karaoke bar in the tally). Walking from Surawong to Silom on the left side there are:

1. Original King's Castle (the one with the 30+ cute ones): I'm getting quotes of 4000/8000ST / LT (I can stomach this, considering the cuteness of the girls there).

2. Then the next one is a smaller bar that seems to specialize in tall / thin / tattooed variety: I was also quoted 4 k /8 k here just now. This surprised me a little as I consider the best girl in here to be a 7. 5 max.

3. Then you've got King's Castle II (the largest of the bars that seems to really focus on an Asian clientele): 4 k /8 k is the standard quote.

4. If you cross the Patpong market and go the lowest tier King's Castle: please don't tell me they have the audacity to ask for 4 k /8 k here!

Soi Cowboy:

I have not been yet this year, but I was hoping to get updates on the three I frequent (can someone please fill in the fields below):

Baccara: ST / LT =.

Crazy House: ST / LT =.

Dollhouse: ST / LT =.[/QUOTE]I just got back from Thighland and he are some of my quoted prices from different establishments.

Soi Cowboy Gogo Bars.

4000-5000 for BF+ST.

I'll admit the Tranny gogo bar (majestic I believe) had the best looking bodies. I'm pretty sure they all had the surgery to remove their penis, as I asked them to flash me and most lined up and flashed me their "pussies". It's really sad that the best looking, body wise, are the ladyboys.

Soi Cowboy Bar Freelancer.

1500-3000.

I bought a drink for the best looking girl in the big bar at the entrance to Soi Cowboy (don't remember the name). Took her back to my place for ST and then handed her 1,500 or maybe 2,000 Baht. I don't remember. She got really upset and threw a temper tantrum in my room. I told her we didn't discuss prices so that's what I'm paying. I ended up giving her another 150 Baht for the Tuk Tuk ride home.

Thermae Cafe.

Most girl will quote 3000.

If they don't like you, they'll quote higher. If they like you, they'll quote less.

My strategy was to get 3-4 Line numbers, leave and then text them around 2 AM when the cafe closes.

I'll offer 1,500 and see who bites. I can get some down to 2,000 easily if they haven't had any customers yet, and some will hold at 3,000.

The Chinese men end up paying more, as I overheard and watched hand gestures throw up four (4) fingers by the girls in the cafe.

Nana.

Most of the Gogo bars want around 5,000 Baht for BF and ST.

I was surprised that I got a 700 Baht BF quote, during the week, from Billboards with a 3,000 Baht ST.

Soi 24 alley.

Don't know if they were having a low season discount, but most "massage" parlors had a 40 min FS session advertised on their menu when it was presented out in front for 1,800 Baht.

It was written on the laminated card by hand so I know if wasn't their regular prices. 60 min ST was 2,000-2,200 Baht, which is normal.

This alley ended up being my go to spot for Bangkok. But be careful, 40 minutes can fly by fast because you have to shower, then she showers, then you have about 15 min before she tells you to take another shower and clean up. If your not the guy who can finish quickly, you should definitely opt for at least 60 minutes or more.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3037077]ST is 700 and LT is 1000 they don't always tell you. If you pay 700 the girl has to return to the bar or pay 300 baht. If you pay 1000 the girl returning to the bar is optional up to her depending on what time you let her leave.[/QUOTE]In June and Aug 2025, paid 800 Baht BF and 4000 for ST. Was quoted 1000 BF and 8000 for LT. Billboard Pricing.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3037080]In June and Aug 2025, paid 800 Baht BF and 4000 for ST. Was quoted 1000 BF and 8000 for LT. Billboard Pricing.[/QUOTE]I've lived here for 7 years and I go to Billboard a couple times a week. You got cheated out of 100 baht. It doesn't really matter but short time barfine in Billboard is 700 baht and hasn't changed in 7 years. Long time girl price is up to the girl. She can charge whatever she wants to.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3037094]I've lived here for 7 years and I go to Billboard a couple times a week. You got cheated out of 100 baht. It doesn't really matter but short time barfine in Billboard is 700 baht and hasn't changed in 7 years. Long time girl price is up to the girl. She can charge whatever she wants to.[/QUOTE]In June and Aug this year, paid 800 BF and 4000 for ST. Both times I paid the money to the mamasan and she directly gave the girl the 4000. Mamasan and girls quoted 1000 BF and 8000 LT.

Also, used 1000 Baht notes and got 200 Baht in change which I passed to the girl. If it's actually 700 BF for ST, guess the mamasan got something out of it.

No Harm, No Foul as far as I'm concerned.

However, next time I'll address the BF price for clarity.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3037115]In June and Aug this year, paid 800 BF and 4000 for ST. Both times I paid the money to the mamasan and she directly gave the girl the 4000. Mamasan and girls quoted 1000 BF and 8000 LT.
[/QUOTE]It's unbelievable to me how much people pay for sex.

I stepped in to the Thermae Cafe for the first time. There's a narrow staircase that leads to a dim basement where enter the club. I got a beer and eyed selection of Thai women standing along the walls. I think I did 2 or 3 revolutions around the place as it gets pretty crowded around 9-10 PM. I saw mostly white-skinned ladies from the Isan region. The women are quite receptive and willing to make an arrangement on the spot but prefer to stay on the premises. I wasn't expecting much but if you like white-skinny almost Chinese looking Thais with a classy look then there's many to choose from here. I just went to scope it out.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;3037123]It's unbelievable to me how much people pay for sex.[/QUOTE]It's unbelievable how much people pay for lots of things. Girls in Nana Plaza use the same principle as everywhere else, it's all about supply and demand. I fly business class from UK to Thailand because I can afford to and because it's a far better experience than sitting at the back of the plane. If you think Nana Plaza is overpriced then just walk around the corner into Soi 4 and the going rate is half the price.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3036874]I had heard good things about Jakarta and thought I'the give it a try. I am glad I did. If you are ok with a very loud atmosphere and picking out girls as easy as buying tomatoes then you will like Jakarta. And here is the stunner. At Classic my favorite club here fucking a girl onsite is USD $22. Wtf? And two girls is $30! Double triple wtf? Unbelievable. And these aren't overweight hags. Pretty, fit, slim. Service can vary because they are pretty young. But damn!

So if you want to try something new or save a few bucks, this is for you. I am really enjoying it. (don't get me wrong I still love Bangkok also). PS [b]Bareback is super easy to get here as well if that is ur thing[/b].[/QUOTE]BB is my thing. For the high end venues like Malio, Emporium, etc you will surely be subject to CFS, and also likely be insulted with a CBJ. Your own experience posts seem to bear this out along with dozens of other reports on these specific venues. I see this "super easy" claim on BB often expressed as "virtually guaranteed" by other reports from experiences with the North Jakarta triad of lower end meat market venues (Classic, Travel and Kota Indah bars). There are posters who claim "virtually guaranteed", but there have been several reports from Classic and Travel where CFS was required by the provider and I believe from his reports that at least one Classic provider required Steve to bag up. YMMV. You may get it, but you may not.

Not harping on the topic as Steve9696 provided some superb detailed reports on his Jakarta junket. Just trying to keep it real. Strongly recommend those interested to take a look at what he has to say. Back to the regular BKK programming. Enjoy, AR.

Please allow me, just a substandard human to praise you. You are superior to all men in your magnificence, your Adonis physique, panty-dropping charm, and humble wisdom. Please grace us with your methods to secure free sex. One way or another all pussy has costs me. The free pussy has been the costliest.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;3037123]It's unbelievable to me how much people pay for sex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadDin19;3037123]It's unbelievable to me how much people pay for sex.[/QUOTE]To each their own, I'll raise a brow at times on what people pay. But I'm old grumpy and like what I like. My remaining time on earth is limited and as the old saying goes "you can't take it with you. ".

Oh, on being old and grumpy. Forgive me for being a little selfish and only caring about my happiness / satisfaction and not the general market place.

Also, the times I've regretted passing on a lady because of pricing outnumber the times I've regretted over paying.

Have only another one and half nights here on a layover in Bangkok. So I got busy right off the plane. I'the spent virtually all my time the prior week in Nana plaza, but a friend said Cowboy was still good, so I decided to hoof it over there first.

Perhaps it's a bit too early at 8:30 but it's definitely not as hopping as I expected (I haven't been to cowboy in years). I stroll down and only lightly accosted by two girls. This too is different. Very few girls out front of the clubs grabbing at you.

I decide to poke into Dollhouse because the friend mentioned it. Have a beer but it's a very weak lineup of older and chubby ish girls. After a bit half get naked and I kinda wish they didn't. 🥺 A few more fit girls join the stage, but it's a far cry from Nana so decide to head for Nana Plaza.

Now you would think that fucking would be the trip highlight. And it's damn close. But I chose to get a motorbike to Nana and fuck all if that wasn't the funnest thing ever. I'the been here and Jakarta all week and watched amazing motorbike ballet and no one ate the pavement so I thought why not.

Well that dude was an artist. Weaving between cars and across intersections. Squeezing thru on the left. Making up speed in a few spots then hammering the brakes to weave thru a tight spot. Fuck that was a blast. Was quoted 100 baht but gave him 200 for his artistry. A true professional.

Glad to be back at Nana. Such a fun vibe. I know I want to go back to Madarin for the full nude and hands on. But just want to chill first. Billboard is my go to for that. I get a seat at the camel toe parade and watch pussies and stripper heels go by on the rotating stage for a while. Just love that. My conclusion tho, fully sober is a lot of the girls are older or more experienced here. Still top bodies and pretty faces but not fresh young things.

I hadn't planned on drinking a lot but that seems to have evaporated so I decide to get a burger at the central bar there at Nana. It's surprisingly good. As I eat I see into Bunny 2, where I've had a good past experience, and it looks like a bunch of slim girls on stage, so I think I will start in there.

Bunny 2 is definitely a good high mileage club. There are two guys just inside the door both getting grinded on with big shit eating grins on their faces. At first she seats me front row but then moves be to the top row. This is a little more discrete.

I'the like to get in two shots tonight, but not sure I have the energy for two pulls back to the hotel with full on fucking. (13 girls already in the rearview this past week!) So a plan is forming in my head to get worked up and shoot one out at Wood Bar no effort required. And Bunny 2 seems good for a work up.

Sure enough when I call a hottie down for a drink she puts her hand lightly in my lap. And that progress led to a few thigh strokes. And as I don't protest she escalates quickly to rubbing me up a stiffy. I know it's all show, but she's making gestures like size of baby arm (it's not! Hahaha and has the mamasan come over to feel it.

By now I'm feeling up her tits pretty good and with the continued dick stroking it's very nice. I am reminded that this is a fun way to play Nana. Just pull girls for drinks and grinding and dick stroking, without pulling to room (which is why I usually go) and I have a lot of fun. I decline to take her after two drinks and move on to Mandarin.

Mandarin remains a top new pick for highest mileage club in Nana. Not only are the girls fully naked, but when you buy a girl drinks it's full on grinding and naked tits fondling and some dick stroking depending on the girl. Maybe even some DFK the guy next to me was deep into it and my girl and I did some minor kissing.

After two drinks I again decline to take my girl but I really did like her and file her for future reference. On to Wood Bar to get the white out!

Last time I was at Wood Bar the lineup was pretty good. Yes past their prime and chubby but marginally pretty. Not so this time. For looks, this lineup is a horror. But fortunately I'm here for her to keep her head down and focus on her job! 😝.

I choose the least objectionable one and she's a pretty good performer. And when I say pretty good I mean not the best I've had at Wood Bar but better than 98% of BJs you're going to get from a gogo girl. So yeah deep and sloppy a db CIM. Ah that felt great.

I def want to pull a girl at Nana and fuck her brains out l, but going to need some recovery time. So I head over to Soi 7 alley to rustle up a game of pool. Most all the bars' tables are occupied. But a tiny little bar with three MILFs has an open table and we strike up some games. The "girls" are all pretty good and we have some tight competition. Even tho I'm not looking to fuck any of them, they are pleasant and affectionate and I buy a couple drinks. Think I made their night!

Heading back to Nana this time I am more intent on making a pull. I decide on Butterflies as I've found this to have some younger girls and have made a couple great pulls here. It is hopping. At first they seat me at the stage but I am able to convince them to give me a back row couch when it clears. (Butterflies is unusual because it doesn't have the bench seating. It has actual couches and lounge chairs, which is nice).

After a bit there is this one girl who is super cute and bringing the dance moves. I call her down and she's thrilled. She a bubbly ton of fun but after a drink or two when I go to barfine her she says only to party and not for sex. Boo. No thank you maam. Next!

Back to Mandarin it is! My hottie from before is in the tub dancing away but I quickly pull her. (FYI, It's 500 minimum consumption to pull a girl from the tub vs just buy a girl on the floor a drink.) We have a lovely time grinding and tit work and a good bit of LFK when I decide to pull her.

Now here's the bad news about Mandarin, which I otherwise love. I am quoted 1500 bar fine and 5000 for my girl! Wow. I protest and of course ready to walk. I key in that Nana is all 1000/4000. The mama talks to the girl and says barfine can't go below 1500 but girl will take 4000. I know this is above market but this is the only full nude in Nana I know of, so they get points for that and I've got a hottie that wants to fuck (great chemistry) so off we go.

(U can skip the hater comments about how I'm ruining the market. Maybe you want to go home dick in hand over $15, but I don't).

Well this was a great pull! Super cute little thing at maybe 152 cm and banging firm BCups. Bubbly and attentive in the room including joint shower bath prep.

Her BJ is on point not Wood Bar quality but good for a gogo girl. But here's the nice surprise. After ten good minutes of BJ she cat crawls up. I'm thinking to make out but instead slides me in cowgirl bareback! And she's slippery as fuck naturally. Guess she'the been dreaming about some farang dick all night!

Well needless to say it's great. We fuck in all the positions and when in mish the kissing is superb. Full on tongue tangling DFK, which always cranks me. Back to a good bit of BJ. And then back to urgent kissing in mish for a spectacular CIP finish. (Not that she seemed concerned but I tell her I have a vasectomy and clean STD card anyhow). Wow. That was unexpected. Lovely bareback with no discussion. No upsell. Just two kids fucking! 😝.

Quick wind down shower and off she goes. I think a darn well executed night, to land, work up a chub, get it taken care of, reload, and get a bareback CIP at 2:30 AM to close it out. Niceee!

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3037172]It's unbelievable how much people pay for lots of things. Girls in Nana Plaza use the same principle as everywhere else, it's all about supply and demand. I fly business class from UK to Thailand because I can afford to and because it's a far better experience than sitting at the back of the plane. If you think Nana Plaza is overpriced then just walk around the corner into Soi 4 and the going rate is half the price.[/QUOTE]I often fly business class too. I have an advantage that justifies the higher price. I don't see that advantage with the girls.

I once picked up a girl from a Nana agogo. It was a few years ago. Back then, it cost 3,000ST. In the room, she didn't want to shower with me. She showered alone. She didn't want BJ. It was disappointing. The next evening, I picked up a deaf-mute girl who was hanging out in front of the Nana Hotel. She was great, and I had a grin on my face all night. 1,500ST.

Whether you have a good time has nothing to do with the amount of money you burn. I think most of the guys who pay agogo prices just don't have the courage to approach a girl on the street, in a mall, or anywhere else.

Nana is still my go-to spot – I like the variety of venues and the chance to have a drink and chat with the ladies to see if there's any potential for a good match.

I visited from Monday to Wednesday, and while the bars were busy with customers, the number of girls at many of the places was lower than I expected. Wednesday night seemed to have a better turnout. Here's a summary of my impressions and experiences:

Spanky's. Visited twice, most girls are thick but very friendly with eye contact. Left each time after one drink. They spend too much time on the shows and not enough time with all the girls on the stage. I've pulled a few girls from here in the past, but didn't see anyone to my liking.

Red Dragon. Visited twice, mostly thin girls who also make a lot of eye contact. Second night I summoned a girl from the stage and bought her the obligatory 2 drinks. They were two tiny shot-glasses with some kind of sweet concoction. She downed them in 5 minutes. Made some mild grinding with her back / butt against me and was friendly enough, but soon was asked for another drink. I agreed but much to my surprise, two more thimbles of drinks appeared. Rather than protest, I decided this isn't right for me, so finished my drink, and she hers, and left.

Billboard. Visited twice, mostly thick and tall girls with a lot of cosmetic surgery (face, tits, and ass), but some thin hotties too. See one of my usual girls and spend time with her. Great vibe but same music every fucking night. Had fun and asked my girl to leave with me, but she claimed it was her period. She was also drinking sprite and mentioned being on some meds, so just left that alone. Learned though that the lady drink increased by 20 baht while the amount a lady gets decreased by 20 baht (so they now get 80 baht / drink). WTF is up with that? Greedy owners.

Mandarin. Visited once and only one decent girl in my opinion. She didn't make eye contact with me and so left after one drink. I think most of the girls would have looked better with sexy panties or g-strings rather than being fully naked.

Butterflies. Visited once and generally disappointed with the lady quality. Peeked in another time and it was worse. This used to be a great place. Lots of girls and higher quality, but seems to have degenerated in the last few years.

Geisha. Visited once and there were several girls to my liking. One girl I recognized and remember the experience was just ok, so didn't repeat. It was fairly early in the night (maybe 11 pm) so decided to go elsewhere in my pursuits. Looked inside the curtains the next night and saw few girls so quickly left.

I visited a few others once, including a small bar on the first floor, don't remember the name. I've had a few regulars there before but most of the girls aren't close to sexy. There was a new girl though who was cute enough and pushed on me, and so I decided to buy her a drink. Got some nice hands-on action so stayed for a while, during which she had quite a few tequila shots. Decided to take her ST. Was asked for 1 K BF and 4 K ST, but I countered with 3 K ST and she agreed. Soon after we left, it became evident she was drunk. Fuck, I hate that. We went to my hotel and she puked a few times in the bathroom and wasn't responsive enough for me to deal with her. She wanted to sleep but I obviously didn't want that, so sent her on her way. She asked for some money but I said no, that she didn't perform and was not getting paid. I kinda felt bad but figured she earned a little something from all of her drinks, and hopefully realizes she needs to better manage herself. Hardly the first time this has happened to me. I suppose I could have cut her off when I thought she had enough, but that's not any fun.

Rainbow 5 - visited each of the 3 nights since quality varies so much. Mon / Tues were just average, had a drink or two but didn't see any girls to my liking. However on Wednesday there were both more and higher-quality girls that either weren't there before or were already with customers. Spent time with a sexy young thing, small / slim and very friendly but unfortunately not handsy. I enjoyed feeling her tiny butt and trim stomach, and a few times got inside her panties just enough to feel her trimmed pubes. Sexy. Also saw another cutie who looked familiar, she kept looking at me and didn't have any customers. So I bought her a drink as well. I was a little conflicted but enjoyed the company of one and had a back-up across the table. After more drinks I got to the point that I had to stop drinking and decided just to call it a night and not take anyone back. I rarely do this, but had an early flight and didn't want to have another night of too little sleep.

What do you guys do when it turns out the girl is too damn drunk? She didn't seem that way at the bar but the booze caught up to her. I guess the easy answer is to not buy so many drinks, but I enjoy hands-on company and don't want to cut it short either.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3037261]Have only another one and half nights here on a layover in Bangkok.... Niceee![/QUOTE]Wow, another stellar report from a monger here. I really enjoyed reading this. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3037261]Back to Mandarin it is! My hottie from before is in the tub dancing away but I quickly pull her. (FYI, It's 500 minimum consumption to pull a girl from the tub vs just buy a girl on the floor a drink.) We have a lovely time grinding and tit work and a good bit of LFK when I decide to pull her.

Now here's the bad news about Mandarin, which I otherwise love. I am quoted 1500 bar fine and 5000 for my girl! Wow. I protest and of course ready to walk. I key in that Nana is all 1000/4000. The mama talks to the girl and says barfine can't go below 1500 but girl will take 4000. I know this is above market but this is the only full nude in Nana I know of, so they get points for that and I've got a hottie that wants to fuck (great chemistry) so off we go.

(U can skip the hater comments about how I'm ruining the market. Maybe you want to go home dick in hand over $15, but I don't).[/QUOTE]For an all too brief period of time pre-Covid, Mandarin was one of the Nana Plaza GoGo bars that featured a "Two-Tier" barfine system. Some girls' barfine was 700 baht and the fee for the girl was between her and you. But some other girls were ranked "Special Girls". Real, natural-born females, mind you, despite the designation. But the "Special Girls'" barfine was 1,500 baht and the fee for the girl was still between her and you.

One might assume the "Special Girls" were younger and better looking than the others. But only in most cases was that true.

After several trial and error visits to Mandarin, it became abundantly clear to me that the 1,500 baht barfine "Special Girls" at Mandarin were by far more inclined to agree to BBFSCIP upfront in the bar with little or no further discussion about it. Which was decidedly not the case with the ordinary 700 baht barfine girls. I never got one of those 700 baht barfine girls at Mandarin to agree upfront to it in those days.

But I scored BBFSCIP with several different 1,500 baht "Special Girls" there, all of them agreeing to it upfront before I paid the barfine, no problem. And the kicker was their fee in the room was no higher than the fee quoted by the ordinary girls, 2,000 - 2,500 baht for Short Time then.

That was the best extra 800 baht I ever spent at a Bangkok GoGo bar.

Is it possible that Mandarin management has returned to something similar to those wonderful BBFSCIP with their "Special Girls" days of yore? Hell, I hope so. That would be great.

Thanks for the report!

[QUOTE=Svelte;3037277]What do you guys do when it turns out the girl is too damn drunk? She didn't seem that way at the bar but the booze caught up to her.[/QUOTE]If you sense that the girl (or even you) might have drunk too much, get a (preferably room temperature) bottle of Pocari Sweat and drink it down. People throw up after drinking because alcohol causes over production of acid in the stomach as well as the liver producing a toxin acetaldehyde, which triggers the stomach to retch to expel the bad stuff. Pocari is a real electrolytic drink, not sugar water like Gatorade, which absorbs more quickly than water, immediately dilutes the contents of the stomach and also helps counteract the dehydration that alcohol causes. I have always been quite a lightweight drinker, so Pocari has been my proven go-to for years. Another tip is never to allow the girl to mix different kinds of alcohol drinks, like following rum and coke with vodka shots, a sure recipe for disaster.

If Pocari is on the menu in the bar, order a sepatate bottle and have the girl drink a bit in addition to her lady drink. If you have checked out of the bar, then stop at any sewen and pick up a bottle.

If you wait until the puking has commenced, Pocari will help but it is likely too late to save the date, unless you pack some prescription antiemetics in your kit bag. Enjoy BKK, AR.

My final night in BKK was uneventful, primarily because I was 100% exhausted. . Knackered, as the Brit's say, after 10 days in Bangkok and Jakarta.

As I had a late night flight I decided to knock one out daytime. I put a brief report in the Massage thread. But the important detail is that Suk 33 is a veritable cornucopia of mid-high Nuru massage places. Daisy Dream seemed very nice but selection was weak. I ended at G2 G which was def classy and nice rooms. Girls only so so. I think the ones on 24 have more complete lineups. But if you want a true Nuru you could def try Suk 33.

The other little surprise was all the naked pussy fondling going on at Geisha. I was seated at the soapy tub. And to be fair these aren't their prettiest girls. All have big boobs but generally not well done manmades. But the allure was guys were tipping 20 baht and feeling up there tits. Then I notice there is some pussy feeling going on and sure enough for 20 baht you can get some slippery slide (on the outside) pussy work going. I was def surprised at this but partook several times. Def a quick way to get a chub on!

In the end let my "special girl" at Mandarin grind on me. Now that we're buds when she front grinds we just make out like teenagers. Which was really nice.

Will miss both Bangkok and Jakarta. But I'll be back. Hold down the fort for me fellas!

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3037365]If you sense that the girl (or even you) might have drunk too much, get a (preferably room temperature) bottle of Pocari Sweat and drink it down. People throw up after drinking because alcohol causes over production of acid in the stomach as well as the liver producing a toxin acetaldehyde, which triggers the stomach to retch to expel the bad stuff. Pocari is a real electrolytic drink, not sugar water like Gatorade,[/QUOTE]Well it damn sure tastes like sugar water. But maybe that is just due to one of the key ingredients being cane sugar.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3037459]
The other little surprise was all the naked pussy fondling going on at Geisha. I was seated at the soapy tub. And to be fair these aren't their prettiest girls. All have big boobs but generally not well done manmades. But the allure was guys were tipping 20 baht and feeling up there tits. Then I notice there is some pussy feeling going on and sure enough for 20 baht you can get some slippery slide (on the outside) pussy work going. I was def surprised at this but partook several times. Def a quick way to get a chub on!
[/QUOTE]I was also in and out of Geisha a couple times last night. My first visit the soapy tub had about 3 hotties and 2 notties. About 6 men were sitting around the tub with stacks of 20's and 50's for tips. Those girls were making some money. Some time later I returned and the tub had only 2 ordinary girls and one or two men sparingly tipping. The quality of girls in that tub is highly variable and it can change quickly. Since my reason for visiting go gos is to get a bar fine, I often ignore the soapy tub girls while they are making bank. They won't be willing to leave those big tippers to go with me for 3,000 or 4,000 baht.

I'm trying to cultivate a relationship with mamasan. So far I've only learned that the very pretty girls get first option at the soapy tub. Most of those hotties only dance the dry stage when the soapy tub is too full.

I took my bar fine from a different go go.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3036972]I knew digital IDs existed, but tonight was the first time that my bar fine presented her ID digitally to my hotel reception. The clerk simply photographed her ID. It worked out fine and reception still called my room when she exited the building, but it isn't as comforting as when reception holds her physical ID and she has to retrieve it.[/QUOTE]I must partially retract the above report. Two nights later I brought a bar fine to the same hotel and they were not satisfied with the digital ID. They let her pass, but I was told that in the future they want to hold the girl's physical ID.

I guess having a physical ID is one more thing on my checklist before I select my next bar fine.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3037331]For an all too brief period of time pre-Covid, Mandarin was one of the Nana Plaza GoGo bars that featured a "Two-Tier" barfine system. Some girls' barfine was 700 baht and the fee for the girl was between her and you. But some other girls were ranked "Special Girls". Real, natural-born females, mind you, despite the designation. But the "Special Girls'" barfine was 1,500 baht and the fee for the girl was still between her and you.

After several trial and error visits to Mandarin, it became abundantly clear to me that the 1,500 baht barfine "Special Girls" at Mandarin were by far more inclined to agree to BBFSCIP upfront in the bar with little or no further discussion about it. Which was decidedly not the case with the ordinary 700 baht barfine girls. I never got one of those 700 baht barfine girls at Mandarin to agree upfront to it in those days.

Is it possible that Mandarin management has returned to something similar to those wonderful BBFSCIP with their "Special Girls" days of yore? Hell, I hope so. That would be great.

Thanks for the report![/QUOTE]I don't know if it is policy, but I can offer that I had bareback with a Mandarin girl last night. I had the mamasan make the same 1.5K/5K initial offer for ST, which was quickly reduced (final offer) to 1.5K/4 K, which I took. She was a cute girl first day at Mandarin (previously at a bar on the main floor), who was the most animated girl there (the rest were sadly pretty mediocre in terms of looks and body), a great dancer, and really seemed to be enjoying herself. She was fun in the booths, and even though she had smaller tits than I like, I took her back to my hotel (the Maison Hotel Bangkok - much nicer than I expected given the pricing) at about 1:30 am. She was great in the room, a bit loud and boisterous, with DFK and excellent BBBJ, followed by readily agreeing to bareback. The sex was good until it became clear that she was too drunk to continue. I should have realized by how bubbly she was, but it wasn't obvious that she was so drunk until we were in the room. She was really apologetic that we couldn't finish (she said she had 9 vodka shooters that evening), but I didn't mind because I was pretty spent after having cum twice that day with TF girls (and at my age, three times in a day just isn't going to happen, even with Vitamin V).

Anyway, I still had a good time. The last time I was in Bangkok a couple of years ago, I pulled a girl from one of the go-go bars in Soi Cowboy and also got bareback sex without effort. Also had bareback with a girl from Thermae. So, it's certainly possible. Enjoy, boys!

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3037482]I was also in and out of Geisha a couple times last night. My first visit the soapy tub had about 3 hotties and 2 notties. About 6 men were sitting around the tub with stacks of 20's and 50's for tips. Those girls were making some money. Some time later I returned and the tub had only 2 ordinary girls and one or two men sparingly tipping. The quality of girls in that tub is highly variable and it can change quickly. Since my reason for visiting go gos is to get a bar fine, I often ignore the soapy tub girls while they are making bank. They won't be willing to leave those big tippers to go with me for 3,000 or 4,000 baht.[/QUOTE]I was there, too, and also quite surprised at the groping of the girls by the guys in the front row. Not my thing, but it was fun to watch. Have to agree that the quality of the girls in the tub wasn't great, and I didn't see any girls in there that I would even sit for a lady drink with. But the soapy tub made it worth the beer.

Yes, I KNOW, COMMON KNOWLEDGE... Still...

Have a completed Thailand Digital Arrival Card, submitted, [B]BEFORE[/B] you arrive (earliest to submit: 3 days before arrival).

[URL]https://tdac.immigration.go.th/arrival-card/#/home[/URL]

It's just the electronic version of that paper arrival card we (I say mature, you say old) remember, the one that the cabin crew passed out on the plane, you filled out before landing on the fold-down table, surrounded by fellow passengers asking if they could borrow your pen, and there was always one who wanted to borrow your pen, your hand, your brain, because he just didn't understand what was required and wanted you to fill it out for him.

Arriving [I]Swampy[/I], late evening, you know where the two arms of the airport meet at the center, the slight ramp up to the immigration booths. Well now, there's a LARGE sign hung from the rafters, [I]"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here"[/I]. No, wait. DAMN AI translation APP. That's actually something along the lines of "Completed Digital Arrival Cards Required Past This Point". There's also floor signs with the same message, specifying what you need: (1) Passport, (2) Digital Arrival Card, (3) Arrival boarding card, (4) IF applicable, E-visa. Couple of airport staff (to answer questions?), no enforcement being applied, and a LOT of befuddled people staring up at the sign, down at their empty hands, back at the sign, back at their empty hands (along the lines of Alice's Restaurant).

And getting through that crowd bottleneck was the only problem I had as I had gotten the memo. Up the ramp, joined a short queue in front of a booth (lines no doubt shortened due to the previously mentioned bottleneck), hoping to pick a "good" line. Myself... well, in the line I chose, there always seems to be one. Held up at the booth, a lengthy discussion, seemed to have the correct papers, but, another officer called, the person led away back through the waiting lines, off somewhere.

Still a shorter wait from previous visits. Handed over the paperwork, fingerprints, photo, passport stamped, DAC initialed, done. Even though my checked bags were priority tagged, some of the first off the plane, I still beat them to the baggage carousel. Collected and out the door into the night (which reminded me of opening that preheated oven's door... the shock of the heat and humidity).

Because... they are traditions. Next day, early afternoon, a visit to MTW (and YES, I do fly half-way around the world to visit such a place.) A bit jet-lagged, more so the oppressive heat and humidity (rainy season not finished), walking down Patpong Soi 2, looking up, spy the Meet The World painted window sign. Up the stairs, left turn, lady sitting out front... and I'm a bit lost as I've lost sight of said sign. The lady is saying this is the place, but, at my age, I have MY landmarks, reference points, and I'm not seeing it. Down at that end of the soi, I don't want to walk into the wrong bar; nothing wrong with that lifestyle, just NOT mine. The haze clears, focus regained, and I'm in through the open door, lady following.

Inside, the "good" heavyset mamasan welcomes me back (no BS, she making reference to a mutual friend), the outside lady, now inside, IMMEDIATLY moving to "battle stations": door locked, curtains drawn, lights dimmed... I AM remembered. I pull up a bar stool, order a Singha, and proceed with a price check. Lady drink? [i]200 baht[/i]. What happened to 150? [i]OK, 150.[/i] BJ? [i]1000[/i]. I don't bother with following the litany (What happened to 800? [i]OK,...[/i]) I make the mental adjustment: the price now INCLUDES the tip. Asked to pick the music I'd like, I go with hard rock 70's-90's. Large fan turned on; great. A/C turned on... oops... given my shirt was drenched with sweat, basic physics says arctic freezer, so I ask the a/c be turned off; just the fan; perfect, cooling, not chilling.

Before arriving, I'd already decided to forgo the rugby scrum (I say jet-lag, heat, but honestly, age has certainly crept in, influencing the decision). But fate seemed to have its own ideas - seemed there would be a rugby scrum, a scrum of 1, as there was only 1 lady working at that time. Fine, a [i]scrum[/i] it would be.

I enjoy the ambiance (yes, ambiance: long, cool, dark bar; cold beer in hand; tunes I like playing; staff being [i]attentive[/i]...). Lady drinks bought, catch up with the news from the mamasan. She excuses herself to finish some paperwork, I adjourn to the bench seat across the aisle... and get down to [i]business[/i]...

Tradition complete, ask for the bill, I check, but unlike skinny granny, no need for any adjustments - what I like about the heavyset mamasan.

And on to the next tradition. Walk over to Dunkin Donuts. YES, I fly halfway around the world to have some Dunkin donuts in Thailand (preference Chocolate Bavarian to go with my spicy Thai breakfast omelette, coffee). Another one of those things I indulge in while in-country that I pass on at home. I look for any "sale" sign. Takes me a bit of eye searching as I'm standing at the counter, but then I spot what I'm looking for: Dozen for 199. Great. Select the 12 (I take the 6 remaining Bavarians, plus a mix of others). Bill rung - 192 (TIT).

One last tradition. On the RTB, stop off at the rehydration station, Foodland's lunch counter. Several cooks and the cashier recognize me even after a year. Like Cheers, my drink of choice is delivered without having to say anything.

Traditions.

BTW: SOL permanently boarded up. Last year, plywood hung; this year, more like SEALED. RIP.

PS: needed some antibiotics for a bacterial infection. Stopped in at Sukhumvit's Southeast Pharmacy, between soi 13-15, basically next door to Thermae. Been using them for decades. Nice thing about a [i]civilized[/i] country like Thailand - non-narcotic pharmaceuticals don't require a prescription/script. Had the US name prescribed by my doctor; they found the equivalent, cheap.

Hi guys, thought I'd give an update on my ThaiFriendly activities for this trip. I've used it the past couple of trips to BKK and it seemed to work pretty well, scoring a "very good" or "excellent" rating for all 8 TF girls I saw previously. This time, though, I got many fewer hits on my initial filtered queries (age 18-29, petite height and weight) - sent out about 50 messages (not a problem, because I just cut and paste the same initial message out) and only got 7 replies that I converted to Line chats. Two were immediate no-go's. One asked for 5 K and wouldn't budge, the other said her usual rate was 10 K! Of the other 5, two stopped replying to messages and one was out of town, leaving only two TF girls for me to try.

Gale was a pretty, friendly girl who looked like her photos, although her tits were smaller than I like. She gave very good service, did an excellent BBBJ, and was accommodating to what I like, including sensual DFK. Rated her as 'very good' or B+. Lita was older than her photos, probably into her 30's and had terrible enhanced lips (why do girls do that, it's never attractive). I always ask for a selfie to see what they'll be dressed as and she sent hers with phone covering her face, which should have been a red flag. Anyway, she was friendly enough but then didn't kiss or do anything sensually. Her BBBJ was above average, though, so that earned her a C+ 'okay' rating. They were both 3 K without much negotiation.

So, this time I had fewer ratio of responses and didn't match my great hit rate from previous trips. Still, at 9/10 very good or better and 1/10 okay, that's a better ratio than my past experiences pulling girls from Thermae (5/8 very good or better, 1/8 okay, and 2/8 terrible) for the same price point.

Arrived in Bangkok Thursday afternoon after a 30-hour trip from my home (shuttle to LAX, checkin, wait, flight to Seoul, wait, flight to Bangkok, immigration, train into town). It is a long and tiring journey since I sleep little on flights. Nevertheless, I am back in the Kingdom for my 13th winter. As has been said, do your TDAC before you leave. I also printed mine, but the immigration officer already had it in their system when she scanned my passport. (They also see the history of your previous visits. I said I had been to the Kingdom many times, and she replied, "I see that. ") The only challenge was that the main immigration area had just closed, and we were directed to another area about 60-80 meters farther down the long hallway. It was crowded and the lines there moved slowly. Overall, a smooth process.

After checking into my hotel, my first stop, like the last three years, was to Sakura Akasari on Thong Lor for the 100-minute sea-salt body scrub, salt tapping, and massage. Always feel so clean and refreshed after. They have new owners who are doing a good bit of remodeling, so there was construction everywhere on the first floor. When I looked in the window, I thought they might be closed, but they are open and we worked around the construction. I chose the oldest lady there, a 32-year-old whose name I have already forgotten. In past years, the ladies there want 1000 baht just to take their top off while finishing the session with a handjob. I always declined, seemed too expensive. This lady did a good bit of teasing throughout the process, and when she asked 1000 baht I thought why not and agreed. She took everything off, and during the soapy massage part towards the end (different than in past years), she started doing body slides, and encouraged mutual touch. It got fairly aggressively erotic, and I was fingering her while getting a HJ interspersed with more slides. Good fun for all.

Love the salt scrub, tapping, and massage, so I'll continue to go there when I first arrive in BKK. It is a little bit of heaven.

Had dinner, went back to my room, planning to rest a bit and head out to Madame Claude's. Having just finished the long trip from southern California, I fell asleep and woke in the middle of the night. Saturday is for sighseeing, then I'll see about returning to Madame Claude's and / or checking out the scene at Patpong since I have never been there. Then it is a return to Chiang Mai.

I travel the world and like new experiences, so last night I thought I'd try a couple of things I've never done in BKK before. Pull a FL from the street and visit a BJ bar. I wasn't sure about the BJ bars from the reports, but they greatly exceeded my expectations! I started by walking the circuit a couple of times at 9 pm between Kasalong, Lolitas and Wood Bar. The girls were all sitting in front of the bars and the reports were right about the quality of girls. Pretty low: Wood Bar had only under 5's, Lolitas maybe had a couple doable, and the slimmest, best looking girl (still only a 6) was at Kasalong, so I started with her.

800 THB to the reception girl gets you a small room upstairs with a small couch. The slim girl washed my privates in the sink and toweled them, then got between my knees on the couch and went to work. There is something deliciously tawdry about having a girl blow you while you are having a beer. And she was very good, but given the 2 cums the day before, it wasn't happening, so when time was up I asked her to send another girl, the best they had. The second girl was older and chubbier with a round face (a 5) but she was definitely much better at BBBJ, because of variety, licking, and slurpy sound effects. Thought I would finish with her, but even with an oily HJ it wasn't cumming (sic). Both were still enjoyable, though, and deserved the good tip for heir efforts.

But I was still jazzed so went to Lolita's around the corner (also 800 THB) and asked the 8 girls outside who was best – they all said they were, so I chose the slimmest and she turned out to be relatively pretty (maybe a 6-7). They didn't have individual rooms upstairs, only thick curtains around each sofa area, and you can hear other patrons getting serviced. That doesn't bother me, I like public sex. Anyway, my girl turned out to be *really* good, working my tip slowly in and out just the way I like it. It took a bit of effort, but when I finally came it was glorious, and she kept milking me slowly with her mouth and tongue until my spasms subsided. Wonderful.

So, the bars are seedy and the girls low quality, but I had a great time and would definitely repeat. I enjoyed 3 girls for at least 20 minutes each (not sure how much time, actually, I was preoccupied) of fabulous BBBJ / CIM, all for less than a TF or Thermae girl. Hmmm. And it turns out that when the girl is kneeling before you with her mouth wrapped around your throbbing dick, it doesn't matter much what she looks like! Food for thought.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;3037646]I travel the world and like new experiences, so last night I thought I'd try a couple of things I've never done in BKK before. Pull a FL from the street and visit a BJ bar. I wasn't sure about the BJ bars from the reports, but they greatly exceeded my expectations! I started by walking the circuit a couple of times at 9 pm between Kasalong, Lolitas and Wood Bar. The girls were all sitting in front of the bars and the reports were right about the quality of girls. Pretty low: Wood Bar had only under 5's, Lolitas maybe had a couple doable, and the slimmest, best looking girl (still only a 6) was at Kasalong, so I started with her.

800 THB to the reception girl gets you a small room upstairs with a small couch. The slim girl washed my privates in the sink and toweled them, then got between my knees on the couch and went to work. There is something deliciously tawdry about having a girl blow you while you are having a beer. And she was very good, but given the 2 cums the day before, it wasn't happening, so when time was up I asked her to send another girl, the best they had. The second girl was older and chubbier with a round face (a 5) but she was definitely much better at BBBJ, because of variety, licking, and slurpy sound effects. Thought I would finish with her, but even with an oily HJ it wasn't cumming (sic). Both were still enjoyable, though, and deserved the good tip for heir efforts.

But I was still jazzed so went to Lolita's around the corner (also 800 THB) and asked the 8 girls outside who was best they all said they were, so I chose the slimmest and she turned out to be relatively pretty (maybe a 6-7). They didn't have individual rooms upstairs, only thick curtains around each sofa area, and you can hear other patrons getting serviced. That doesn't bother me, I like public sex. Anyway, my girl turned out to be *really* good, working my tip slowly in and out just the way I like it. It took a bit of effort, but when I finally came it was glorious, and she kept milking me slowly with her mouth and tongue until my spasms subsided. Wonderful.

So, the bars are seedy and the girls low quality, but I had a great time and would definitely repeat. I enjoyed 3 girls for at least 20 minutes each (not sure how much time, actually, I was preoccupied) of fabulous BBBJ / CIM, all for less than a TF or Thermae girl. Hmmm. And it turns out that when the girl is kneeling before you with her mouth wrapped around your throbbing dick, it doesn't matter much what she looks like! Food for thought.[/QUOTE]I am so 100% in on this post. The BJ bars are a truly worthy stop despite the poor optics. I mean I think we all have this thing where it's hard to choose someone ugly or fat, but at a BJ bar it truly doesn't matter. She's head down the whole time and blowing way better than any gogo girl ever could. If you accept it for what it is, it's wonderful.

The best use of BJ bar comes in one of two forms. The first is you try to get off with your gogo girl but are just too drunk or fucked out to finish. Pop into a BJ bar and somehow her magic will get it done. They really are pros. Second use I only found this last trip. And that is when you are too lazy to bring a girl back to your room to fuck, but love the gogos. Go to the high mileage clubs like Bunny2 or Mandarin and get all worked up stopping in a few places. Then take the stroll over to a BJ bar and get that load lifted! A stunning CIM to close it out. This is a nice change of pace from the normal takeout menu.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3037651]I am so 100% in on this post. The BJ bars are a truly worthy stop despite the poor optics. I mean I think we all have this thing where it's hard to choose someone ugly or fat, but at a BJ bar it truly doesn't matter. She's head down the whole time and blowing way better than any gogo girl ever could. If you accept it for what it is, it's wonderful.

The best use of BJ bar comes in one of two forms. The first is you try to get off with your gogo girl but are just too drunk or fucked out to finish. Pop into a BJ bar and somehow her magic will get it done. They really are pros. Second use I only found this last trip. And that is when you are too lazy to bring a girl back to your room to fuck, but love the gogos. Go to the high mileage clubs like Bunny2 or Mandarin and get all worked up stopping in a few places. Then take the stroll over to a BJ bar and get that load lifted! A stunning CIM to close it out. This is a nice change of pace from the normal takeout menu.[/QUOTE]Not only that but when 800 is for a BJ, I asked how much for full service. She said 1. 2 k. I said 1. 2 k! Got to be kidding me, when the BJ is 800 it's a no brainier for 400 more. That's about the price of just the barfine at some places for gods sake.

But as a caveat I'the say I use CBJ as I contracted some kindof infection from a BJ bar couple years ago & totally ruined my trip.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;3037693]Not only that but when 800 is for a BJ, I asked how much for full service. She said 1. 2 k. I said 1. 2 k! Got to be kidding me, when the BJ is 800 it's a no brainier for 400 more. That's about the price of just the barfine at some places for gods sake.

But as a caveat I'the say I use CBJ as I contracted some kindof infection from a BJ bar couple years ago & totally ruined my trip.[/QUOTE]Yeah but it may be just the opposite of a no brainer. Because now youre fucking a fat ugly chick! And that doesn't work for me. I'the let almost any fat fugly suck my dick since it's all about technique and zero about optics. (Almost). But if it's fucking it's a nuther thing. Got to have some optics. At least for me.

Although I guess 7Heaven would be a different thing. Those girls have some optics. But also they ain’t fucking for 1.2.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3037696]Yeah but it may be just the opposite of a no brainer. Because now youre fucking a fat ugly chick! And that doesn't work for me. I'the let almost any fat fugly suck my dick since it's all about technique and zero about optics. (Almost). But if it's fucking it's a nuther thing. Got to have some optics. At least for me.[/QUOTE]Yeah, me too. Fucking a fugly isn't in my "must experience" list. BJ's are another thing altogether.

Hey all, I recently got back from a trip to Bangkok and thought I would just give a few updates on some places that I haven't seen mentioned recently.

Escorts:

In terms of general summaries, it's always difficult to find early afternoon hookups unless you have a bunch of numbers lined up beforehand, so I usually just source a few from TF or even smooci / agency when I arrive. This time, I used TonyBKK and JaneBKK channels for it and I found that the results were very good. It's a little less bait and switch than the smooci route, though you are paying a premium for younger 8/10 type girls. In my view, the value was pretty good since I tend to like GFE style engagements when ordering escorts. There are a couple of "university girls" on the list but I'm pretty jaded to the Thai experience; most girls will play up the "I'm new to this game" personality for the obvious reason. Regardless, I feel that the girls did feel more authentic as semi-pros, in the sense that they were younger, more attractive, more interested in longer dates with conversation (decent english), more GFE, but worse overall service (they aren't going out of their way to do anything wild).

Thermae:

In terms of night action, I usually stay close to Thermae and continued to use that. As a non-Asian, young foreigner, I didn't have any trouble pulling the majority of the girls that I was interested in. There were a few girls that didn't "look up" or give me attention when I walked by, but that pretty normal overall. Maybe the old heads will cry about the fact that every girl didn't get on her knees and suck them off on sight, but I really don't get the whole narrative that Asian guys are prioritized. Overall, there is just a subset of girls that are picky / don't care / aren't feeling you. It felt like the vast majority of the girls were receptive to talking to and I was always able to pull someone from the bar that I didn't feel I was "settling" for. Prices were generally around 3 k for a short time meeting. I did end up using Tony / Jane more as the trip went on to schedule night-time dates since I have begun to enjoy some longer dates that aren't as easy to find that Thermae.

Aries Massage:

I do like to hit up Aries for some fun nuru action and it still delivered. IMO, you don't go to a nuru place to get good GFE and that still seems to be the case. They have some cute girls working there, but nothing I would consider model class; the main selling point is a great nuru routine that will leave you drained. I do recommend the 2 girls option if you can spring for it (around 10-12 k), because I find that most of the girls have a fun routine that will get you off in a variety new ways. It's not the standard tag in-out system you get with most threesomes. Again, temper your GFE expectations and just enjoy a service-oriented experience and you'll enjoy nuru places.

Black Caviar:

I don't have financial constraints when it comes to how BKK is priced so I always like to come to places like BC / Maria / etc. To get a "top experience". For me, that has always meant the following; light GFE sex with a model-level girl. BC still fits that mold. Overall, it's a nice location where you can get pampered and pick a conventionally attractive woman to please you. It's always been fairly plastic and that still holds true; come in expecting some face / breast work at a minimum. In my many times there, I have rarely gotten anything close to true GFE. Usually the girls will reciprocate a bit if you try for DFK or stuff like that but just be aware that it's never felt like an expectation that the girls have. You are mostly paying to have a super hot girl service you and to enjoy that upgraded visual experience LOL. Generally speaking, expect to pay about 10 k for a 90 minute session for an average costing girl, though you can pay a lot more even though I felt that the costs started to not represent the actual attractiveness of the girls the higher up you go. You will find model class girls at the medium range since they want to ensure they can get customers and aren't waiting for whales to come in scoop them up. There were a few girls that didn't impress me there, but on the whole, I found the visual quality of the girls to be extremely high at BC. I usually come around 7:30 and most of the girls have arrived and set up but the big groups of clients haven't yet joined. I did see a bit fewer Chinese whales than last year and a lot of girls have referenced that Chinese tourism to BKK is down this year so that might be a benefit to my fellow monger in places like this.

This may seem like a stupid Q so please forgive a traveller who has forgotten all about BKK after 9 years away.

What would the fine gentlemen here recco for girl friendly 5 star hotels close to the action areas? What are the complications to have ladies come up to your rooms? And which are the best sources of quality out-calls if one does not want to compete for attention in the thermae's or do bar fining?

[QUOTE=Marshmallows;3037736]This may seem like a stupid Q so please forgive a traveller who has forgotten all about BKK after 9 years away.
What would the fine gentlemen here recco for girl friendly 5 star hotels close to the action areas? What are the complications to have ladies come up to your rooms? [/QUOTE]A bit rusty after 9 years? Please read the Bangkok Hotels thread: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/URL].

And search for '5 star'.

Then you will find this post, for example: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels&p=3031716&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3031716.

[QUOTE=Marshmallows;3037736]This may seem like a stupid Q so please forgive a traveller who has forgotten all about BKK after 9 years away.

What would the fine gentlemen here recco for girl friendly 5 star hotels close to the action areas? What are the complications to have ladies come up to your rooms? And which are the best sources of quality out-calls if one does not want to compete for attention in the thermae's or do bar fining?[/QUOTE]Sofitel. Just in front of Thermae cafe.

No restrictions what so ever. If you're into Accor, then they might upgrade. For example in my case, my last 2 visits, both of the time I was provided free lounge access + upgrade to suite.

[QUOTE=Marshmallows;3037736]This may seem like a stupid Q so please forgive a traveller who has forgotten all about BKK after 9 years away.

What would the fine gentlemen here recco for girl friendly 5 star hotels close to the action areas? What are the complications to have ladies come up to your rooms? And which are the best sources of quality out-calls if one does not want to compete for attention in the thermae's or do bar fining?[/QUOTE]No worries at all mate, not a stupid question, just a sign that you had better things to remember after these years, Bangkok nightlife hasn't slow down one bit, but Ithe hotel scene has gotten smarter about keeping things discreet. Try Marriott, Sofitel or Hyatt.

Thanks for reminding us.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;3037519]Yes, I KNOW, COMMON KNOWLEDGE... Still...

Have a completed Thailand Digital Arrival Card, submitted, [B]BEFORE[/B] you arrive (earliest to submit: 3 days before arrival).

[URL]https://tdac.immigration.go.th/arrival-card/#/home[/URL]....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3029035]My GF left yesterday, and today after I went to check out the Thermae, but was closed (around noon), I was wandering aimlessly at the far end of Soy Cowboy, and entered a chinese casino to use the toilet, because I had a few beers already and needed to pee badly. A beautiful hostess tried to welcome me, but in my desperation I kind of dismissed her and went to where the toilet sign was pointing. After the bladder was empty, I returned to her and apologized, she spoke some english, but she used the phone to translate, excusing herself for being proficient in chinese but not english. The place was almost empty, and now that I had her talking to me, and holding her phone in her hand, I asked her about quitting time, and her phone nr of course. I got both, and at 4 pm when her shift was over I got her to come to my hotel where we had lunch, and then we fucked like bunnies until 8 pm when she left. Very sweet girl, nice smelling, funny, polite, and nice face and body. Before she left I put 2 kb in her purse, I don't know if she saw me or not from the bathroom mirror where she was putting on lipstick, but I wanted to avoid a possible awkward moment handing money to her directly. Got a few pics from her FB, and some from my phone.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I mislead you guys, I always thought that the big street is Soy Cowboy, but searching something on the map I realized that Cowboy is a side street, the street with the chinese casino on it is a side street at the north end of Asok Montry Rd close to the water.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;3037756]Sofitel. Just infront of Thermae cafe.

No restrictions what so ever. If you're into Accor, then they might upgrade. For example in my case, my last 2 visits, both of the time I was provided free lounge access + upgrade to suite.[/QUOTE]I was actually looking for one of the accor chain hotels. Which one would you suggest? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3037752]A bit rusty after 9 years? Please read the Bangkok Hotels thread: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/URL].

And search for '5 star'.

Then you will find this post, for example: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels&p=3031716&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3031716.[/QUOTE]Well Now I got more reasons to read this section before booking. Will go through today. Thank you so much.

Not sure how did I miss this.

[QUOTE=Martin39;3036489]I am going to Bangkok and thank you very much for all the helpful posts. I am interested to hit one the clubs like levels，insanity， mixx etc.

I want to have some fun there first drinking and enjoying the music and also trying to find a freelancer. I did see some older reports but not much recently. Is it worth it to go? I have nana on my list and also a nuru place but want something else on the weekend. Will probably hit la belle first and then late in the evening one of the clubs.

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I can now answer my own question. I did go to La Belle first (will report later when I have more time) and then went to Havana Social Club for a drink (not worth it for girls, music was ok). Around 11:30 pm went into Levels (alone). Did not need to get a table and the entrance fee including one drink was 400 which is not bad. I read various reports about people being forced to get a table but I guess my white privilege helped.

Good DJ's and 2 pretty hot dancers (saw 1 change so 4 in total) next to the DJ. Never saw the 2 dancers again when they changed to the 2nd pair. A bit weird with the dance floor full of tables that slowly filled up. Saw some older girls around the bar but none attractive enough to talk to them. Saw 2 good looking ones at a table but couldn't place them if they were available. Walked past twice but they didn't look or smile at me. Stayed about 1. 5 hours on a Saturday listening to the music. Wasn't a huge party scene though and relatively quiet.

In summary if you go there for girls at least for me it didn't work out but still had a good time. Had my fun earlier so didn't bother me much.

[QUOTE=Martin39;3038030]I can now answer my own question. I did go to La Belle first (will report later when I have more time) and then went to Havana Social Club for a drink (not worth it for girls, music was ok). Around 11:30 pm went into Levels (alone). Did not need to get a table and the entrance fee including one drink was 400 which is not bad. I read various reports about people being forced to get a table but I guess my white privilege helped.

Good DJ's and 2 pretty hot dancers (saw 1 change so 4 in total) next to the DJ. Never saw the 2 dancers again when they changed to the 2nd pair. A bit weird with the dance floor full of tables that slowly filled up. Saw some older girls around the bar but none attractive enough to talk to them. Saw 2 good looking ones at a table but couldn't place them if they were available. Walked past twice but they didn't look or smile at me. Stayed about 1. 5 hours on a Saturday listening to the music. Wasn't a huge party scene though and relatively quiet.

In summary if you go there for girls at least for me it didn't work out but still had a good time. Had my fun earlier so didn't bother me much.[/QUOTE]This has been my experience as well. Nice club fun vibe but no working girls to speak of. I think I was there around 12:30 or 1. Same exact thing at Sugar down the street. Almost felt like the same club. I've heard for sure Mixx has freelancers but have no firsthand knowledge.

[QUOTE=Martin39;3038030]I can now answer my own question. I did go to La Belle first (will report later when I have more time) and then went to Havana Social Club for a drink (not worth it for girls, music was ok). Around 11:30 pm went into Levels (alone). Did not need to get a table and the entrance fee including one drink was 400 which is not bad. I read various reports about people being forced to get a table but I guess my white privilege helped.

Good DJ's and 2 pretty hot dancers (saw 1 change so 4 in total) next to the DJ. Never saw the 2 dancers again when they changed to the 2nd pair. A bit weird with the dance floor full of tables that slowly filled up. Saw some older girls around the bar but none attractive enough to talk to them. Saw 2 good looking ones at a table but couldn't place them if they were available. Walked past twice but they didn't look or smile at me. Stayed about 1. 5 hours on a Saturday listening to the music. Wasn't a huge party scene though and relatively quiet..[/QUOTE]Went to Levels alone in Sept, they had a girls night when they drink for free for a few hours.

That's the night to go if its still a thing. Full of hot freelancers.

Fellas,

Just curious how you roll at Thermae. I wonder if there are different approaches. Do you just do the circuit a number of times, chat for a minute with your pick, come to an agreement and leave (rinse and repeat if needed)? Or do you chit chat with the girls at all without a sense of urgency? Buy a girl a drink? Hang out and chill? Goof off? I was sort of limited to the first approach due to awkwardness, but I wonder about others. I have seen videos with some random old dude sitting against the wall in a booth but talking to no one. What could he be up to? I'd love to hear how you handle this place. I am a work in progress socially and enjoy learning what others are doing. I am pumped for my return in Jan.

Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok for the first time in the last week of December — 3 days in Bangkok (Grand Business Inn, Soi 11) and 3 days in Pattaya (Flapper Hotel, Central Pattaya).

I've gone through more than 100 forum pages, but there are too many spas gogo bars gentlemen's clubs, and the pricing varies a lot some places are charging 5 k–10 k THB, which I want to avoid. I only have one week to explore all the worthy places, and after checking so many posts it's becoming difficult to know which spots are actually good, which ones are overpriced, and what the real prices are.

My total trip budget is 40,000 THB (excluding hotel, flight), so I'm trying to spend wisely and not overpay for things.

I would really appreciate the experts' recommendations for affordable spas or any good action spots worth visiting in budget of 1000 to 3000 THB, So I can fuck as many girls as possible.

Please feel free to DM me or share any trip report links — even the smallest detail will help.

[QUOTE=WanderingHuman;3038143]Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok for the first time in the last week of December 3 days in Bangkok (Grand Business Inn, Soi 11) and 3 days in Pattaya (Flapper Hotel, Central Pattaya).

I've gone through more than 100 forum pages, but there are too many spas gogo bars gentlemen's clubs, and the pricing varies a lot some places are charging 5 k10 k THB, which I want to avoid. I only have one week to explore all the worthy places, and after checking so many posts it's becoming difficult to know which spots are actually good, which ones are overpriced, and what the real prices are.

My total trip budget is 40,000 THB (excluding hotel, flight), so I'm trying to spend wisely and not overpay for things.

I would really appreciate the experts' recommendations for affordable spas or any good action spots worth visiting in budget of 1000 to 3000 THB, So I can fuck as many girls as possible.

Please feel free to DM me or share any trip report links even the smallest detail will help.[/QUOTE]Easily solved.

Open a spreadsheet, list the 100 forum pages down the rows, your criteria (quality, price, method of delivery etc) across the columns.

Tick your boxes, divide the number of days by your budget multiply by your top scoring locations. Now take your results and get the square root of hope over desperation and bingo!

[QUOTE=WanderingHuman;3038143]Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok for the first time in the last week of December 3 days in Bangkok (Grand Business Inn, Soi 11) and 3 days in Pattaya (Flapper Hotel, Central Pattaya).

I've gone through more than 100 forum pages, but there are too many spas gogo bars gentlemen's clubs, and the pricing varies a lot some places are charging 5 k10 k THB, which I want to avoid. I only have one week to explore all the worthy places, and after checking so many posts it's becoming difficult to know which spots are actually good, which ones are overpriced, and what the real prices are.

My total trip budget is 40,000 THB (excluding hotel, flight), so I'm trying to spend wisely and not overpay for things.

I would really appreciate the experts' recommendations for affordable spas or any good action spots worth visiting in budget of 1000 to 3000 THB, So I can fuck as many girls as possible.

Please feel free to DM me or share any trip report links even the smallest detail will help.[/QUOTE]I think you are on the right track sticking primarily with mid priced massage, given your budget. I can definitely recommend Fin69,10 Ten, and Mango. All are priced similarly. Like 2500 ish for an hour. Some have a 40 min option if that works. I'the suggest you spurge on the gogos at least one (5 K) but you could also use the approach I used one night which we enjoy the gogos then shoot one out at a BJ bar. 1000 total damage. Can be good to take a day off of FS and just shoot one at a BJ bar. You get the club experience but not the club price.

As discussed a few posts down. Get the Line app and message the massage places. They will send pricing and lineups. P.S. If you want your chick money to go fsrther go to Jakarta. High recommend.

After a long day of sightseeing among crowds of tourists at popular temples, I made my way back to my hotel. I intended on going to Madame Claude's again, but learned that they were bought almost year ago by AYA Massaga, and then a few months ago consolidated into the first AYA on Sukhumvit Soi 23, close to Soi Cowboy. So Madame Claude is closed, and on the sign at AYA is says, "High Class Massage Parlor. ".

While Madame Claude was a BJ Bar with massage and FS as an extra options, every session at AYA is massage, HJ, BJ, and FS. After some communication via Line, I went there and saw about 15-18 very pretty ladies in the lobby. Mentioned to the MMS that I had talked with her via Line, and she called over about 6 ladies who matched what I had requested. Chose the one who seemed to be the oldest (turns out she is 42 - I prefer older providers), oppted for the 60-minute Deluxe at 2500 THB (not interested in Jacuzzi or Nuru) and up to a room. Showered together, decent massage, good conversation, a BJ better than any I can remember. I stopped her, got her into 69 and as I ate that pussy, her BJ got better and better. Then on to the finish with FS. We talked a bit, and if I were back in Bangkok, I'd ask for her again. I get the feeling that the service from all the ladies at AYA is good.

Now it is on to Chiang Mai, return to my favorites, and I'm always looking out for a new lady.

Going back to Bangkok and Pattaya just got a few questions when I was there at Nana's place. I did not get a bar girl because I was dealing with a lot of freelancers which was fun but the second time around I think I want to try a bar girl what is the average with the bar girls, bar fines and how does it work when I was there It was 2500 and I was OK with paying that. I know I could've got it as low as 1800 towards the end of my trip I was getting the lesser rate.

Hi,

Does anyone know if there are nay place where you can get top quality Japanese style soapland experience? Most of the soapy massage places really do not tick the boxes as the girls are either just not trained for it or mostly not interested to put the effort in. They just look to get in the tub, a bit of tug and a blow and quickly to bed. Nothing like Japanese true sense of luxurious soap experience. Wondering if anyone has been lucky on this count in BKK? Do share if you have and point out the way to a fellow monger.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=WanderingHuman;3038143]Hi all,

Visiting Bangkok for the first time in the last week of December 3 days in Bangkok (Grand Business Inn, Soi 11) and 3 days in Pattaya (Flapper Hotel, Central Pattaya).

I've gone through more than 100 forum pages, but there are too many spas gogo bars gentlemen's clubs, and the pricing varies a lot some places are charging 5 k10 k THB, which I want to avoid. I only have one week to explore all the worthy places, and after checking so many posts it's becoming difficult to know which spots are actually good, which ones are overpriced, and what the real prices are.

My total trip budget is 40,000 THB (excluding hotel, flight), so I'm trying to spend wisely and not overpay for things.

I would really appreciate the experts' recommendations for affordable spas or any good action spots worth visiting in budget of 1000 to 3000 THB, So I can fuck as many girls as possible..[/QUOTE]I'm a newb too and I will likely be there around the same time, would be cool to meet up with some buds.

[QUOTE=CrystalRed76;3038233]Hi,

Does anyone know if there are nay place where you can get top quality Japanese style soapland experience? Most of the soapy massage places really do not tick the boxes as the girls are either just not trained for it or mostly not interested to put the effort in. They just look to get in the tub, a bit of tug and a blow and quickly to bed. Nothing like Japanese true sense of luxurious soap experience. Wondering if anyone has been lucky on this count in BKK? Do share if you have and point out the way to a fellow monger.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Others may comment on the high end soapies like Maria and Black Caviar. In the more reasonable range (3500 ish baht) Fin69 was shockingly good. If you get the VIP suite it is big enough for a proper air mattress. Ivy was sensational. Very close to a Japanese's experience.

As per my other post Suk 33 has like ten Nuru places. Surely one or more of these would fit the bill. My experience at G2 G was not as good as Fin69. I'the def try Fin69 first.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;3037520]Next day, early afternoon, a visit to MTW walking down Patpong Soi 2, looking up, spy the Meet The World painted window sign. I enjoy the ambiance (yes, ambiance: long, cool, dark bar; cold beer in hand; tunes I like playing; staff being attentive. Lady drinks bought, catch up with the news from the mamasan. She excuses herself to finish some paperwork, I adjourn to the bench seat across the aisle... and get down to business.
[/QUOTE]I have been meaning to go to Meet the World, and 11 Bravo your review helped me get there. The door and windows are blacked out and the word MATADOR LADY BOY BAR is stenciled on the glass, so I was hesitant to ring the bell. When I did, Mamasan stuck her head out and called me in, then locked the door behind me. I told her I wanted a LEO and a blowjob, and then sat down on a bench against the wall. I could hear another customer who was behind a curtain somewhere trying hard to be discreet.

I was soon joined by a scantily clad bar girl, who showed me her big fake tits within 10 seconds of arriving at my bench. The lighting was slightly dim so I kinda stood up and turned to get a good look at her. She assumed that I was checking for snakes, so she proudly said "no lady boy" and shucked her panties, then grabbed my hand and stuffed my fingers into her pussy. I ordered her a lady drink and took off my shorts, and she went right to work. She stopped briefly when Mamasan put her drink on the bar, then got right back to work.

During the blowjob were two other providers who stopped by to see if I needed anything else, and checked out the action. Also there was a 20 something female employee who was stocking the bar. At some point I was transitioning from seated to standing, and I raised my glass in a toast to Mamasan and bought her a drink as well.

Yes, it was somewhat surreal and entertaining to get a "public" blowjob. 1500 for BJ plus beer plus 2 lady drinks and 100 tip. Will repeat. Soon.

Fargler.

Is there a web, line ID or whatsup for Fin69?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3038323]Others may comment on the high end soapies like Maria and Black Caviar. In the more reasonable range (3500 ish baht) Fin69 was shockingly good. If you get the VIP suite it is big enough for a proper air mattress. Ivy was sensational. Very close to a Japanese's experience.

As per my other post Suk 33 has like ten Nuru places. Surely one or more of these would fit the bill. My experience at G2 G was not as good as Fin69. I'the def try Fin69 first.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OrientalLover;3038709]Is there a web, line ID or whatsup for Fin69?[/QUOTE]Yes. Just paste this in your browser.

[URL]https://line.me/R/ti/p/@318xspxd[/URL]

[QUOTE=OrientalLover;3038709]Is there a web, line ID or whatsup for Fin69?[/QUOTE]Never walked far enough down Soi 4 to come across this place, but might be worth a look during my next visit.

After massage is it a straightforward fuck and suck experience, of are there other services on offer (CIM, A or rimming). Do all the girls provide the same services?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3038747]Never walked far enough down Soi 4 to come across this place, but might be worth a look during my next visit.

After massage is it a straightforward fuck and suck experience, of are there other services on offer (CIM, A or rimming). Do all the girls provide the same services?[/QUOTE]It's a ways down and then take a left. Just go here:

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/toA7mFJd9ZXr3ySW9?g_st=ipc[/URL]

I don't know much about their "regular" massage. I went for the Nuru which you really must try. Read my Fin69 report below.