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[QUOTE=The Traveler]Traveler1234,
thanks for your support.
Guess 'Serious' Sukhumvit Sam just got a bad day and Seeko got it the right way anyway.[/QUOTE]
TT
You need to visit again and meet up with all of us at Giotto's. I hope to be out in August or Sept.....
Waiting for the 3 pm kick-off btw Portugal and the froggies....
:)
Thanks for that info about the Eden Club girls--much appreciated.
Actually, Evil, I think it is easy to show that statistically it is much more likely to prove fatal crossing the street in front of the Nana Hotel than to fuck a Nana go-go girl bareback!
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Everything is done bareback at Eden EXCEPT intercourse (vaginal or anal). The girls will not do intercourse without a condom. Not under any circumstances.
I don't know about any places where the girls do intercourse bareback. If I heard credible reports about such an establishment, it would shoot to the top of my list of places to avoid.
I'm curious about what other leisure-time activities you might enjoy. Russian roulette with five loaded chambers? Hunting grizzly bear with a pocket knife?
EP[/QUOTE]
Traveler,
either in Sept, or Oct, depending on my current projects.
Will bring my GF (the one you saw) with me.
Taz Marine might show up as well.
[QUOTE=Steve Naive][b]Summary:[/b] An off-the-beaten path option for the adventurous farang. NOT for those who wilt at the shape of a mature woman.
Heading to Chinatown to shop one Sunday before noon, I veered off the usual route and found myself on unfamiliar streets, not marked on the corners and not marked in the Lonely Planet map. I found duck soup, then found what I did not expect... smiling ladies. Not the sweet young things you find at Poseidon or Nana, but middle-aged ladies, not especially beautiful. The locals' mongering market, or rather one part of what is probably all over Chinatown.
I chuckled to myself as they sought my business. But to my own surprise, my local fireman raised his hose...! Viagra hangover, it happens sometimes. But these ladies?
300 baht. After about the third offer, I got more curious... what would it be like? Yes, she will give head too. Well, I didn't come here for sex, but why not, at that price?
I chose one in the middle range. First impression rated her a 2 (marginally doable)... late 30's, a bit of a belly, not ugly, cheerful, friendly. There were one or two better-looking ladies, and some worse too.
50 baht for a short-time hotel room. It wasn't as bad as you might think. Spartan may be kind, but it was reasonably clean, at least early in the day. In the corner was a wastebasket with some used condoms. She put a cleanish towel onto the bed. The shower was a pipe with a cheap shut-off valve which spurt cold water only (but not cold, this is Thailand) when I pulled the lever, and I bathed. On a hot day this was a welcome break.
She showered, and I stole a few looks. A belly with stretch marks. Ass not small, but not ugly. Back to the bed, closer looks. Her breasts actually rather nice, small but longish nipples, and they wanted attention, she made that clear. Her skin rather soft. Ive just upgraded her to a 3.
She spoke some English, and she was pleased to have me as a customer. Treated me very well, very good service. Made appropriate exclamations about my yai (big) member which is actually very average in size. She pointed to her pinky and she said "Thai man."
Very good with her mouth and tongue, and some of the merriest sex Ive had in awhile, because I was a novelty and she was having fun with me. She was a tight, much tighter than the slim young babe I had the evening before. Friendly and cooperative, no rush. I had no trouble finding a pop. Service and attitude about 8.
Overall, I had a much better time that I expected. My usual style is a 23yo bar girl rating 6 or 7, but this was a fun adventure. I might well do it again some time, not because Im cheap, but for variety.
Where? Looking at a map, I think it was Santiphap Road and Maitri Chit Roads, both of which come off the rotary that is west of the river and northwest of Bangkok train station, near MRT Hua Lam Phong. I have previously seen some ladies along Chaoren Krueng Road, the main drag, also during the day. Ill bet you can find them along many roads in the Chinatown area.[/QUOTE]
Steve, you are indeed correct about the Chinatown area SW. About 99% are older hags/fat ladies well beyond their prime. You were lucky to even find one that spoke english as most do not. I walk thru this area once and was pulled at from several older women at once, but all were not to my taste--sorry they wont stimulate my didi so why waste the money. Most are in the 1-2 class looks/body. If speak Thai, could negotiate price much lower than 300b.
But be warned: Try not to venture here alone at late nite as some of these back streets are not the safest, but ok during afternoon and early evenings.
PT
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Sukhumvit Sam,
relax.
First, I was making fun, guess you haven't seen the smiley.
Second, how should I know that he can speak Thai ? Opposite to you I have never met him.
Third, read Seeko's [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=481676&postcount=902]below post[/url], he got me totally right.[/QUOTE]
Traveler,
How about if we both relax?
I'll be back down in BKK, God willing, at the end of this month.
Though I've not yet lined up plane tickets, it looks as though my holiday will cover 29 July (Saturday) through 2 August (Wednesday).
Within that time, I have no obligations. No commitments. Nothing to trouble my head but fun.
So can I buy you a beer?
Or several?
Life up here in Korea can be rather bleak, which is why I'm now targeting every vacation time like a viper. Three or four days or more of vacation, four or five times a year, money in my pockets, and BYE BYE KOREA! HELLO LAND OF SMILES!
Honest to God, PM me, and we'll arrange for a meet-up.
Sukhumvit Sam
[QUOTE=Seeko]Yeah, well, they can also detect rich brats, suggar-daddies, and Nippon/Kawlie executives. :o
In such cases, they will always name a price and attach themselves readily whether or not they like, be attracted to, or comfortable with the 'mark'.
My problem is that they keep mistaking me for one of them. Heck, I tried to tone down and disguise myself to be one of the average mongers, i.e. sandals vice dress shoes, short-sleeve shirts vice tailored oxford-style long-sleeve shirts with gold cufflinks, Seiko vs Rolex, worn/torn jeans vice silk-cashmere custom-tailored trousers, and Nivea roll-on vice Polo Special Edition. They still know I have deep pockets. :(
What can I do? They won't lower their prices. Even the non-pros or semi-pros demand all these expensive jewelry/perfume and fine dining at exclusive 5-star hotel restaurants. Why must I pay? Couldn't/wouldn't they love me for who I am?
Seeko
;)[/QUOTE]
Seeko,
A few months ago, I had to teach a lesson out of an American-produced textbook to my middle-school-aged Korean students.
The textbook displayed several pictures within this one lesson.
One was of an East Asian-looking woman, middle-aged, working in a garden, possibly pruning, or otherwise picking fruits.
Half of my students promptly said, "She's KOREAN!"
The other half just as quickly answered, "She's CHINESE!"
A full-fledged fist-fight almost ensued.
I rushed in to answer, "SHE'S AMERICAN!"
My reasoning was on these lines: The textbook was written, printed, and published in America. This particular photo, likely as not, shows an American citizen, incidentally female, incidentally middle-aged, incidentally "Asian," working in a garden, whether her own or someone else's.
But, boy oh boy, did my Korean students EVER have trouble grasping that an East Asian might, in fact, by citizenship and residency, be . . . AMERICAN.
Or whatever else.
I'm no great friend of American foreign policy and in fact seriously disagree with almost everything that the US is doing these days, both overseas and domestically,
but will nonetheless submit that the singular GENIUS of the United States of America consists in its historic and prolonged willingness
to admit persons of all ethnicities and nationalies,
to give them all a fair shot at becoming at Americans.
My own ancestors (Dutch, French, German, Irish, and so on), very much among them.
Rambling here . . .
Sukhumvit Sam
Are you teaching English in Korea? We often hear Asia has some opportunities for English teachers and I am curious about this.
How do you teach English to kids in Korea or Japan if you don't speak their language fluently?
[QUOTE=jimbehr2000]Are you teaching English in Korea? We often hear Asia has some opportunities for English teachers and I am curious about this.
How do you teach English to kids in Korea or Japan if you don't speak their language fluently?[/QUOTE]
I had a friend who taught English in Japan. His Japanese skills were almost non-existent when he was hired. Some would even say his english skills were passable at best! lol! There are many opportunities with room and board included. Do a search on the internet. My understanding is that they are looking for native speakers, to pickup accents, slang, to be able to hear the english language spoken. Casual spoken english vs text book english.
Here's one of the links you may want to browse:
[url]http://classifieds.japantoday.com/[/url]
Good luck!
AT2
[QUOTE=Japan]
Actually, Evil, I think it is easy to show that statistically it is much more likely to prove fatal crossing the street in front of the Nana Hotel than to fuck a Nana go-go girl bareback![/QUOTE]
True, but the difference is between a quick death and a prolonged one (stretching into years). Which would you choose?
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I had a friend who taught English in Japan. His Japanese skills were almost non-existent when he was hired. Some would even say his english skills were passable at best! lol! There are many opportunities with room and board included. Do a search on the internet. My understanding is that they are looking for native speakers, to pickup accents, slang, to be able to hear the english language spoken. Casual spoken english vs text book english.
Here's one of the links you may want to browse:
[url]http://classifieds.japantoday.com/[/url]
Good luck!
AT2[/QUOTE]
One of the biggest job listings in the world for ESL teachers is Dave's ESL Cafe. [url]http://www.eslcafe.com/[/url]
You'll find English teaching jobs in virtually every country in the world listed here.
In Thailand the #1 ESL site is:
[url]http://www.ajarn.com/[/url]
Intersting thing about teaching english - you can do it "immersion" and only speak english in class.
THEY (students) will wind up teaching you their language soon enough (in fact, the exchange is "common"). It is the SUBLETIES that need explanation in THEIR language
It's not widely accepted that english is a TOUGH language for non-natives (it's even tough between native speakers like 'Murcans and Brits - two children of a common mother, separated by a common language - but I digress) - but with the vast mix of languages adopted into english it has more rules and exceptions than most other languages (particularly spelling) For some reason, english seems to try to keep the "native spelling" from the "other language" rather than phonetic-ize it.
It's rare but it does happen. Most of the girls which I pay for sex usually treats it as a business transaction. However, tonight i met someone different. I went to Carnival in Nana Plaza just to check out the available stock. As I enter, I was invited over by a girl who asked me to sit next to her. Given that she wasn't looking too bad, i sat down.
Spent the whole night with her, drinking and talking (she doesn't speaks english so mamasan had to translate). She was really special... different from the working girls I've met. Decided to book her long time, then went off. She was hungry so we stopped at one of the road side stall to grab a bite to eat. All this while, she was extremely GF. As we were eating, there were kids coming around selling roses. She actually used HER OWN money to buy me a rose before I returned the favour. I was surprised given that based on my experience, these girls will milk you for all the money that they could.
After the food, we walked back to the hotel with her clutching closely to me. Honestly, it didn't feel like I was bringing back a working girl but rather, a girlfriend.
She's currently showering right now, getting ready for me. Will post the report once I've done the deed but honestly, it's a breath of fresh air that for once, I'm actually feeling good about bringing a girl whom doesn't treat sex as a business transaction. That's the one thing missing about mongering... theses girls are only for the money but for this particular girl, it felt a little bit more.
I know, I know... for the skeptic among you in the forum, you're thinking that it's another part of their act but honestly, given my history and experience with one night stands and working girls that I paid money for, this particular girl is different.
Nevertheless, will give you guys the low down after tonight. She's currently naked in bed waiting for me.
Ciao!
p.s. - I love Bangkok
[QUOTE=jimbehr2000]Are you teaching English in Korea? We often hear Asia has some opportunities for English teachers and I am curious about this.
How do you teach English to kids in Korea or Japan if you don't speak their language fluently?[/QUOTE]
I'll answer this question with a few apologies.
Apologies, that is, for answering something non-sex-related on this forum.
I teach English to kids who know a lot of English already.
An example: Just today, I had a new student enroll in my honors high school class. This young woman was born in Australia, as it happens, and has spent most of her life there. She probably speaks English better than she does Korean.
I'm quite lucky to be teaching at one of the very best private schools in South Korea. It's a challenge, too: some of my students, I more than suspect, are smarter than I am! It's a privilege and an honor and a challenge just to stay a step ahead of them.
Teaching English in Thailand, as in China, and far too many other countries, pays s*it. Here in Korea, it can pay fairly well, and allow you to live quite decently, IF (crucial point) you land the right job.
But let's digress--heh, heh, heh--to sex.
I've paid six or seven visits to Thailand now, all within the past three years.
In total, that adds up to between two and three months of my life.
Here's what I've learned:
FORGET Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. Forget Patpong. Forget the go-go bars generally.
Here's why:
The go-go's will work overtime to shake every last single satang out of your pockets.
That's their job.
On my last but one visit to Soi Cowboy, I had a "stunner," a truly awesomely proportioned young gal, dancing nude on stage, smiling at me like nobody's business.
I can just about swear to you that she was the best-looking woman in that bar, the best dancer, and that all the other punters were turning envious glances in my direction. Why had she chosen ME (a short, fat guy, as it happens), they must have been thinking.
But once she'd come off the stage, it was all mercenary. You buy me lady drink. You buy she lady drink. You buy mamasang drink. You barfine me now, OK, na? Barfine 600 baht. Have upstairs room, 300 baht. Short time 2000 baht, OK? I want go short time, have school tomorrow. You barfine me now, OK, na?
In the end, there were tears in her eyes. Honest to God, tears! (Fake, to be sure.) "You no like me! I need money for school! You give me 500 baht, OK? Give me 600. 700."
Call me a bastard, or a cheepo (or even a Seeko--heh, heh, heh--sorry, pal), or a chump, or whatever else, but somehow the HARD SELL is just . . . not a sell at all. Not for me, anyway. I do NOT spend thousands of dollars on plane tickets to Bangkok only to be manipulated and hard-sold. I'M the boss, now--get it, ladies? I'M the one calling the shots here, not you. (Which means, ironically, that I probably WOULD pay the barfine, and WOULD shag her ass off short- or long-time IF she let ME call the shots, rather than trying to "work" me to fit her needs, her timetable, her expectations.)
And so forget the bars. Forget them.
Freelancers out of the Nana Hotel parking lot know exactly what you want.
And exactly what THEY want. (A thousand baht.)
They know exactly how to deliver it.
And they will give you what you want for 1000 baht--before bargaining.
That's what I learned in Bangkok this last time.
Do be sure to keep your passport, plane ticket, and the bulk of your money in the hotel safe. That way, the worst that she can do, in the worst of all possible scenarios, is kill you off and run away with your small change.
But if you're wise, you'll do short-time, and fear for nothing.
Almost.
That's it!
Please benefit from my wisdom, which has cost me thousands of dollars and several tips to Bangers.
Sukhumvit Sam
Not to digress from the main topic of this forum, since there is interest re teaching english in foreign (at least asian) countries, here's an idea of a qualified instructor for SAT, TOEFL, GMAT and LSAT exams would generally get as a comp package (I use this because it means you have a skill set, more experience than just a 'native english' speaker, etc):
Hourly wage: btw US$20-45 per hour. In SE Asia, lower end of scale, Korea/Japan higher end. This is reflection of general cost of living, what they charge for comparable courses - the two major employers being Princeton Review and Kaplan (and of course many local prep schools).
Bonus after 6 months - $500, maybe up to $2000.
Living allowances: btwn $200-500 per month (some cases they'll provide you simple studio or comparable - if they do, take it).
Travel allowances: btwn $150-300 per month
Airfare - if full time instructor, they'll pay round-trip economy class if you work one full year (usually one way after 6 months, the return segment after 12th month).
Sounds like a lot? Well, if you average 25-30 hrs per week, salary not bad. But factor cost of housing in say Seoul or HK or Tokyo and not so attractive anymore. For Seoul, Tokyo, and maybe HK, you could gross about $50-60K per year but you'd be teaching 40 hrs a week (which is a lot) and then housing ($1-3K per month) would eat a lot of that!
As english instructor, you'd probably make less. Not much left for mongering.....:)
Now - if you are a certified teacher, with a degree in teaching and with a position at either international or comparable, it's a different story. You should expect to gross $50-60K plus excellent housing/living allowance.
Hi Sam,
As an american you should appreciate her tactics...
It's how the free market system works.
The BG definitely has the goods and she's trying to get marketvalue for it. I think that's very american of her....;)
Anyway to me itīs all business. I canīt blame her or the gogo bar for trying to make a buck. They provide a service and they expect to get paid for it. And itīs up to you if you want to pay it or not.(No excuse to overpay)
BUT if you pay it...you better get what you paid for.
Thatīs something I can get pissed off about...I donīt mind paying the big bucks. But they better provide you with good service and a good time.
Thereīs some downside and risk with SW-FL types. You wonīt see what you are paying for and teh service is always a question mark. Besides thereīs always the safety question.
The price is upside, but there is some downsides too.