East China - Shanghai

*** has sensational reviews on her. Don't doubt their authenticity, but was a bit surprised most rated her an 8 in looks, and some even a 9, which *** equates to model material. Really? A "9" would cause me to take notice on the street. Clearly, with Wenli that's not the case. She lists her age as 28 but is clearly older, also has stretch marks. Maybe I just have different tastes than other guys, don't know. I do think Wenli is in great shape for her age, but would not go beyond that.

On the other hand, Wenli's performance over the 2 hours was quite commendable. Her English is good, which is a plus for non-Chinese speakers. She sucks very well and follows any and all instructions. Attitude is excellent. Absolutely no up-sell.

I don't mean to demean a performer that many on this board really like. However, I do think we all have to work from accurate information.

Gents,

Well guys I've been had, conned, wool pulled over my eyes, the whole works. Mainly I've been stupid. I was browsing wechat, in the people nearby section. Which works pretty well for me. I've had quite a few dates using WeChat. Of course there are plenty of WG's on there too. Usually touts selling the girls straight up front, you can't mistake their intentions. I stay clear from those most of the time. So I see this pretty office lady (she turns out to be 26), she replies me back pretty quickly. Not much english but I can work around that with the translation option within Wechat. We just do some chitchat and decide to meet up. She was having dinner but she can meet me around 8. 30 pm. I pick her up outside the hotel, she lives and works nearby and is actually on foot. We have coffee at a nearby coffeeshop. We talk about work and relationships. At one point I think she is pretty traditional but she lets me touch her a bit on the back and legs. I do catch for a quick moment that she says she works at a bar. But her english is bad and I must have been mistaken right? I pay for the coffee, she wants to go to a bar. I thought that was what she was trying to tell me earlier. I guess that's what I wanted to hear. I say I have some drinks in my room. She actually seems hesitant but we are off. Even worse, one of my coworkers walks straight up to me. Seems she doesn't notice me but there is no time to duck. I just turn my back towards her and walk backwards past her. I do think she noticed me though. There will be questions in the morning at breakfast sigh.

I get the girl up to my room and again just chitchat. She does curl up to me a bit and we share a beer. Talking about marriage and how we see our future. She needs to use the restroom and afterwards she says she will go home. I'm like what do you mean? Why? She asks me if I want her to stay. Sure I do! Well she will for a little tip. She catches me completly off guard, and I say sure. She wants 1600 rmb. I don't even have that laying around, I did not prepare to go p4 p. But the mongerer in me kicks in and I say that I don't have that. She wants me to do a counter offer. I tell her 600, that's all I have and is normally the prices those touts will drop to after some haggling. I'm actually contemplating if I want this actually, especially when she counters with 800. Again I tell her I have only 600. Ok darling and starts to kiss me. Well the price isn't that bad, not great either and I've been caught by a coworker so better to make the best out of this. Sadly no DATY and no fingering too. She made me pop twice though so that's pretty standard stuff.

I would say that I had fun, but I felt like a complete noob the whole time, still wrapping my head around how I could have missed this, the hunter becoming the hunted, the damage wasn't that big except for my ego and confidence. Well I'm not an veteran mongerer like some of you, but lesson learned. Pictures on a profile doesn't really tell you anything and especially those not being photoshopped and particularly sexy. Would I have chosen her if I had known she was a WG? Definitely not. It wasn't anything special. Freebie good but not for a 600 rmb WG.

I'll just keep saying it was the jetlag dammit!

DAY 2.

Funny thing happend today and again did not expect that. Luckely no questions at breakfast or anything. I guess my coworker did not see me or did not care, she did keep her mouth shut and apparently did not tell anyone cause nobody mentioned anything, and if you know women well I'm sure they could not resist asking me something if they knew I was spotted with a local.

But the most interested thing happend tonight. First I need to tell you that yesterday I acted totally innocent towards the girl I had sex with. Telling her I did not expect her to be a working girl, even saying that I thought she was too pretty to be doing that kind of job. (yeah I know it's not the nicest thing to do and frankly I did not now why I said that at all, even telling her that this was my first time p4 p) well I guess I hit a nerve with her. I was ready to go to bed and watch a movie on my laptop when I suddenly got a message from the girl again, asking me if I want to see her tonight. I'm totally surprised by this and tell her sure but not if it will cost me money again, I already blew my budget last night on her so I was really expecting a quiet night. She does not reply and I start up the movie. About 30 minutes later another text telling me to come pick her up in the lobby. Quickly I change my clothes and go downstairs, sure enough I meet her halfway towards the elevators. Back in my room she gets comfortable. Again I say that she is welcome to stay but I have no money to spend. Well she wants me to be her boyfriend and even come live with me. I actually play along and we end up in bed together, getting off two times before we fall asleep.

I apologise to everyone that feels I've been terrible to her, I kind of feel the same way and I'm fully aware that this turns girls off towards guys but I think she will go back to p4 p quickly. She said she would look for another job now that I was her boyfriend and taking care of her. Of course that's not going to happen. Don't know why I did that and say the things I did and I have mixed feelings about it all, then again I think it's a funny story, completly unexpected and quite a surprise.

Cheers.

ALC.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1787469]But the most interested thing happend tonight. First I need to tell you that yesterday I acted totally innocent towards the girl I had sex with. Telling her I did not expect her to be a working girl, even saying that I thought she was too pretty to be doing that kind of job. (yeah I know it's not the nicest thing to do and frankly I did not now why I said that at all, even telling her that this was my first time p4 p) well I guess I hit a nerve with her. I was ready to go to bed and watch a movie on my laptop when I suddenly got a message from the girl again, asking me if I want to see her tonight. I'm totally surprised by this and tell her sure but not if it will cost me money again, I already blew my budget last night on her so I was really expecting a quiet night. She does not reply and I start up the movie. About 30 minutes later another text telling me to come pick her up in the lobby. Quickly I change my clothes and go downstairs, sure enough I meet her halfway towards the elevators. Back in my room she gets comfortable. [/QUOTE]Don't be upset, if she was naive enough to think you'd just on board her like that, she kind of deserved it. Just like you deserved to pay 600 RMB for a session with her.

I'll be back in ShangHai soon. Last time it was 2012. I think a lot has changed. I used to go exclusively to sauna places. Always found super pretty girls and paid 700 RMB / h. Never been disappointed.

Next time I'll try WeChat.

P.S: If you have an android phone you can fake your location and pretend to be in another town. I guess it is useful to prepare your stay (the real freebie will wait).

A bit confused. Reading the first line, I was expecting you to have fallen into a tout trick or an experience similar to our old friend from Tiajuana. Sounds like you got of quite well and little or no harm done. I don't know you but I would not be surprised if your coworkers know more than you think. It's the same case with mine.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1787469]Gents,

Well guys I've been had, conned, wool pulled over my eyes, the whole works. Mainly I've been stupid. I was browsing wechat, in the people nearby section. Which works pretty well for me. I've had quite a few dates using WeChat. Of course there are plenty of WG's on there too. Usually touts selling the girls straight up front, you can't mistake their intentions. I stay clear from those most of the time. So I see this pretty office lady (she turns out to be 26), she replies me back pretty quickly. Not much english but I can work around that with the translation option within Wechat. We just do some chitchat and decide to meet up. She was having dinner but she can meet me around 8. 30 pm. I pick her up outside the hotel, she lives and works nearby and is actually on foot. We have coffee at a nearby coffeeshop. We talk about work and relationships. At one point I think she is pretty traditional but she lets me touch her a bit on the back and legs. I do catch for a quick moment that she says she works at a bar. But her english is bad and I must have been mistaken right? I pay for the coffee, she wants to go to a bar. I thought that was what she was trying to tell me earlier. I guess that's what I wanted to hear. I say I have some drinks in my room. She actually seems hesitant but we are off. Even worse, one of my coworkers walks straight up to me. Seems she doesn't notice me but there is no time to duck. I just turn my back towards her and walk backwards past her. I do think she noticed me though. There will be questions in the morning at breakfast sigh.

I get the girl up to my room and again just chitchat. She does curl up to me a bit and we share a beer. Talking about marriage and how we see our future. She needs to use the restroom and afterwards she says she will go home. I'm like what do you mean? Why? She asks me if I want her to stay. Sure I do! Well she will for a little tip. She catches me completly off guard, and I say sure. She wants 1600 rmb. I don't even have that laying around, I did not prepare to go p4 p. But the mongerer in me kicks in and I say that I don't have that. She wants me to do a counter offer. I tell her 600, that's all I have and is normally the prices those touts will drop to after some haggling. I'm actually contemplating if I want this actually, especially when she counters with 800. Again I tell her I have only 600. Ok darling and starts to kiss me. Well the price isn't that bad, not great either and I've been caught by a coworker so better to make the best out of this. Sadly no DATY and no fingering too. She made me pop twice though so that's pretty standard stuff.

I would say that I had fun, but I felt like a complete noob the whole time, still wrapping my head around how I could have missed this, the hunter becoming the hunted, the damage wasn't that big except for my ego and confidence. Well I'm not an veteran mongerer like some of you, but lesson learned. Pictures on a profile doesn't really tell you anything and especially those not being photoshopped and particularly sexy. Would I have chosen her if I had known she was a WG? Definitely not. It wasn't anything special. Freebie good but not for a 600 rmb WG.

I'll just keep saying it was the jetlag dammit!

DAY 2.

Funny thing happend today and again did not expect that. Luckely no questions at breakfast or anything. I guess my coworker did not see me or did not care, she did keep her mouth shut and apparently did not tell anyone cause nobody mentioned anything, and if you know women well I'm sure they could not resist asking me something if they knew I was spotted with a local.

But the most interested thing happend tonight. First I need to tell you that yesterday I acted totally innocent towards the girl I had sex with. Telling her I did not expect her to be a working girl, even saying that I thought she was too pretty to be doing that kind of job. (yeah I know it's not the nicest thing to do and frankly I did not now why I said that at all, even telling her that this was my first time p4 p) well I guess I hit a nerve with her. I was ready to go to bed and watch a movie on my laptop when I suddenly got a message from the girl again, asking me if I want to see her tonight. I'm totally surprised by this and tell her sure but not if it will cost me money again, I already blew my budget last night on her so I was really expecting a quiet night. She does not reply and I start up the movie. About 30 minutes later another text telling me to come pick her up in the lobby. Quickly I change my clothes and go downstairs, sure enough I meet her halfway towards the elevators. Back in my room she gets comfortable. Again I say that she is welcome to stay but I have no money to spend. Well she wants me to be her boyfriend and even come live with me. I actually play along and we end up in bed together, getting off two times before we fall asleep.

I apologise to everyone that feels I've been terrible to her, I kind of feel the same way and I'm fully aware that this turns girls off towards guys but I think she will go back to p4 p quickly. She said she would look for another job now that I was her boyfriend and taking care of her. Of course that's not going to happen. Don't know why I did that and say the things I did and I have mixed feelings about it all, then again I think it's a funny story, completly unexpected and quite a surprise.

Cheers.

ALC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1787448]However, I do think we all have to work from accurate information.[/QUOTE]I am one who gave her stellar marks, and to my eyes they are deserved.

Scores for appearance are completely subjective to one's own taste and the system of grading appearance or service by numbers should be done away with completely.

What one guys finds appealing has nothing at all to do with what others might like. I know. I live in LOS Angeles and I see hordes of guys druelling over girls with asses that are as wide as a truck with ample cottage cheese to go with it.

That's what they like and they score accordingly. Personally, you couldn't pay ME to partake, but that is just my taste and those guy aren't wrong. Read the reviews if you want facts, don't go by numbers.

Also, a PM to reviewers might garner you more complete intel if you're looking for it.

[QUOTE=Mvulane;1787481]

Next time I'll try WeChat.

P.S: If you have an android phone you can fake your location and pretend to be in another town. I guess it is useful to prepare your stay (the real freebie will wait).[/QUOTE]That's the only way to use WeChat correctly, I always use Fakegps to make my phone think I'm somewhere else. This also works with Tinder although that's a bit more tricky. But this way I try to set up dates days in advance before I even leave my home.

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1787494]A bit confused. Reading the first line, I was expecting you to have fallen into a tout trick or an experience similar to our old friend from Tiajuana. Sounds like you got of quite well and little or no harm done. I don't know you but I would not be surprised if your coworkers know more than you think. It's the same case with mine.[/QUOTE]Yeah sorry about that, the first line does read a bit more dramatic then it actually was.

4 pops in 2 days for $800? Sounds like you got the deal of the century. This was almost a freebie. Don't feel bad about it. She chose willingly.

I think you did great. One piece of advice I read on this forum and did not follow.

"Don't ever fall in love with a WG" this also applies to Massage girls in my case. I wished I followed that advice as She was the most expensive freebie I ever had.

Sam can.

Luckily mutual sympathy and attractivity ratings are very subjective otherwise we all would line up with the same girls ot type of girls.

It seem that at least the reviews she got unisono are very good and 11 out of 12 above 8/8 one with 7/7 .

As an older guy I certainly may be interested more in a personality rather than a figure. Although Wenli in my rating got both in an excellent package.

Even her English is quite good so you can communicate well, may not be about philosophical discussions.

I will never miss her whenever possible, for me she plays in the first league.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1787550]I am one who gave her stellar marks, and to my eyes they are deserved.

Scores for appearance are completely subjective to one's own taste and the system of grading appearance or service by numbers should be done away with completely.

What one guys finds appealing has nothing at all to do with what others might like. I know. I live in LOS Angeles and I see hordes of guys druelling over girls with asses that are as wide as a truck with ample cottage cheese to go with it.

That's what they like and they score accordingly. Personally, you couldn't pay ME to partake, but that is just my taste and those guy aren't wrong. Read the reviews if you want facts, don't go by numbers.

Also, a PM to reviewers might garner you more complete intel if you're looking for it.[/QUOTE]

As you guys correctly note, looks are subjective. Appreciate the context.

My main surprise was upon 1st seeing her, and I guess I never overcame that letdown. I thought she was an average-looking, well-maintained woman in her late-30's. There was no initial surge of lust like I expect from a woman whose looks are 8-9. If she chatted me up in a bar, I wouldn't pursue her.

However, I chalk it up to experience (and to be fair, her performance was quite good).

Perfect!

One guy less in the line up.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1787834]As you guys correctly note, looks are subjective. Appreciate the context.

My main surprise was upon 1st seeing her, and I guess I never overcame that letdown. I thought she was an average-looking, well-maintained woman in her late-30's. There was no initial surge of lust like I expect from a woman whose looks are 8-9. If she chatted me up in a bar, I wouldn't pursue her.

However, I chalk it up to experience (and to be fair, her performance was quite good).[/QUOTE]

Although I had read here about the Manhattan / Judy's scene, I had never tried it. I prefer my activities earlier in the evening so I headed out there about 9:00 pm. Manhattan was dead, so I walked over to Judy's.

That was also very quiet. While I sat there nursing my $6 Coke Light, I was approached by a Viet girl. Having read the forum, I had expected I would be negotiating to about 1500. The girl (apparently a Judy's regular) offered 1000 for two hours "or whatever". I confirmed that would cover two shots and she agreed. I also told her I was looking for GFE and PSE. She knew what those meant and agreed, so off we went.

And, I wasn't disappointed – she delivered on all counts. She had a child, so the tummy wasn't as tight as you would hope, but in view of her performance it was easily overlooked. She stayed a little over two hours and I sent her back in a taxi.

Recently there has been discussion here about the girls wanting payment in advance. This girl did not ask for that, but in talking to her, she said many of her friends had been ripped off by performing and then being kicked out without payment. She said this is mostly the younger guys and they don't have the problem with the older set.

I was happy with the price and with the experience.

Judy's is a 10 minute /24 RMB taxi ride from the Bund. Or you can take the Metro Line 10 to Jin'an and go out Exit 3. Walk straight ahead two blocks to Tongren. Judy's is across the street on the right. Manhattan is a left turn for two blocks and then a right turn for about a block.

A couple of years ago I had a memorable session at the Hong Song Sauna. Last year I made the trip out there only to find it was closed and under construction. It wasn't clear if the business was gone or just being rejuvenated. There have been no reviews on the Hong Song for quite some time.

I headed out to find out for myself. Hong Song is easy to get to – take a 15 minute /38 RMB ride from the Bund, out to the Hilton Shanghai Hongqiao. As you face the Hilton, the building to the left is the Yuanyi building. There is a restaurant on the lower floor. Go in the front door and on the right is a bank of elevators with three cute girls just waiting to call an elevator for you. Just go up to the 4th floor and you are there. The remodeling has left Hong Song at the top of the heap for saunas. Everything was clean, new and impeccable.

The system is typical of the saunas – you go to the locker room to change into your gear and leave your items in a secure locker. Then they put you in a room with a TV to wait for the lineup.

And what a lineup! I was there about 9:00 pm and there were at least 75 girls in the fishbowl. The girls were first rate, ranging from 7 to 9's. The "regular" girls were 1380 and the taller "models" were 1980. A second girl adds 700. The decision was tough, so the manager suggested #30. I agreed and off we went. #30 is a 22 year old Hunan spinner. And she was beautiful!

After the shower, she performed a top-notch nuru. After drying it was off to the bed. Her service was, as outstanding. #30 was playful, encouraged DFK and DATY and didn't bother with fake moaning. She was a real trooper and provided one of the best sauna experiences I've had.

I would rate the Hong Song Sauna right up there with the best of the Macau saunas. Certainly better than the sessions I have had at Bodi.

Last night it was time to try out Manhattan. And it didn't disappoint! I arrived there about 9:30 on a Friday night and it seemed like a good time as there were a few dozen girls and not many guys.

I made eye contact with a few but none approached me. Finally a tall, short-haired girl came over. She pointed to her three friends and wanted to know if I was interested in one of them. I was interested in the one in the middle, so told so. But she called over another girl. I was a little disappointed until I saw her close up. She was stunning! The short-haired girl told me that this girl had just arrived yesterday and was her first time in Manhattan. I know we have heard that before, but I confirmed it with the girl later.

She was very sweet and shy. She had the kind of beauty that makes you feel tongue-tied. But we chatted a bit and she seemed very nice. She held my hand as we talked. I asked if she wanted to go to my hotel and she said yes. I asked how much and she said 1500. I told her I thought that was a little too high. I countered with 1200 and stuck to my grounds. Finally she agreed and off we went.

She was very friendly in the car (hand on my inner thigh) as we got to know each other. In the room she was even better than I had thought. A perfect, natural body. I guessed she was 20 but she was 27. She was aggressive and wanted to DFK. She allowed DATY and enjoyed an O (she thanked me a couple of times). I paid her 1400 plus taxi and sent her back to Manhattan.

Nearly any of the other girls I saw at Manhattan would have been great choices. I have not seen so many beautiful women in one place for quite a while.

Actually this whole hobby is subjective in so many ways. Her looks is subjective, her service is subjective, price is also subjective. Even the ranking of these three factors in itself is subjective.

My ATF would be a 7 or 8 in looks, a 10/10 in service, with slightly above average price. Guys whom I'd recommended to see her had commented her to be anywhere from a 6 to 9 in looks and a unanimous 10 in service. To me, service / attitude / GFE is top priority, way ahead of the other two. As long as she's not a BBW, a Bush that I had to hack my way through with machete, and didn't fall off the ugly tree hitting every fucking branch on her way down, I think I'm ok with it. As for price, even if my ATF charged more, I would still see her, but don't tell her that.

The local Chinese prefer tall girls with light skin, think Fan BingBing, you'll always hear them say "her skin is so white". How the girl performs in bed is secondary. I can give a rat's ass about skin tone but she better make my toes curl. I don't care if she's Fan BingBing or Giselle, but if I'm going to be fucking a dead fish, well let's just say some on this board don't have to leave the house for that. Neither the locals or I are wrong, we just have different preference and we have our own idea of what is beautiful. This is actually a great thing, can you imagine every man and his brother standing in line to shag the same girl? I'd have really hairy palms if I had to book my ATF one month in advance.

Take reviews with a grain of salt. Those of us who have done this long enough know to take a certain discount off review ratings and pictures posted. When I hit the Submit button after writing a review and it takes a few hours or days for it to get posted, there is a chance of it being censored or edited. I don't care what the reason is, it's gone through another pair of eyes and hands. Pictures get photoshopped or they are a few years old, no need to say too much about this. This happens everywhere, agencies in Beijing, FKK in Germany, K-Girls in LOS Angeles, indy's in Shanghai you name it.

So how about we make this a little more fun and productive. Let's all mention a girl you've seen lately and instead of putting a number, say something meaningful or at least something funny to liven up this board. I'll start the ball rolling.

Sara (from SNG).

Looks. She looks so pretty even the local Chinese will line up to see her.

Attitude. She made me regret I only booked her for an hour.

Service. No DFK, and not for those looking to shag a porn star.

Return. No, I'm limiting myself to the top 3 in Shanghai and she's not one of them.

Ok who's next? Please provide indy name or sauna name / girl number. Without these, you basically just farted.

A seasoned man's words. Even a cake may become stale one day.

A good friend of mine once stated "on sea even the old cleaning lady turns into Sophia Loren".

Lets talk here about some good experiences and then tell details via PM.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1788082]Actually this whole hobby is subjective in so many ways. Her looks is subjective, her service is subjective, price is also subjective. Even the ranking of these three factors in itself is subjective.

My ATF would be a 7 or 8 in looks, a 10/10 in service, with slightly above average price. Guys whom I'd recommended to see her had commented her to be anywhere from a 6 to 9 in looks and a unanimous 10 in service. To me, service / attitude / GFE is top priority, way ahead of the other two. As long as she's not a BBW, a Bush that I had to hack my way through with machete, and didn't fall off the ugly tree hitting every fucking branch on her way down, I think I'm ok with it. As for price, even if my ATF charged more, I would still see her, but don't tell her that.

The local Chinese prefer tall girls with light skin, think Fan BingBing, you'll always hear them say "her skin is so white". How the girl performs in bed is secondary. I can give a rat's ass about skin tone but she better make my toes curl. I don't care if she's Fan BingBing or Giselle, but if I'm going to be fucking a dead fish, well let's just say some on this board don't have to leave the house for that. Neither the locals or I are wrong, we just have different preference and we have our own idea of what is beautiful. This is actually a great thing, can you imagine every man and his brother standing in line to shag the same girl? I'd have really hairy palms if I had to book my ATF one month in advance.

Take reviews with a grain of salt. Those of us who have done this long enough know to take a certain discount off review ratings and pictures posted. When I hit the Submit button after writing a review and it takes a few hours or days for it to get posted, there is a chance of it being censored or edited. I don't care what the reason is, it's gone through another pair of eyes and hands. Pictures get photoshopped or they are a few years old, no need to say too much about this. This happens everywhere, agencies in Beijing, FKK in Germany, K-Girls in LOS Angeles, indy's in Shanghai you name it.

So how about we make this a little more fun and productive. Let's all mention a girl you've seen lately and instead of putting a number, say something meaningful or at least something funny to liven up this board. I'll start the ball rolling.

Sara (from SNG).

Looks. She looks so pretty even the local Chinese will line up to see her.

Attitude. She made me regret I only booked her for an hour.

Service. No DFK, and not for those looking to shag a porn star.

Return. No, I'm limiting myself to the top 3 in Shanghai and she's not one of them.

Ok who's next? Please provide indy name or sauna name / girl number. Without these, you basically just farted.[/QUOTE]