Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3052040]Weirdly, I've been rimmed by chicks in the Czech Republic, Singapore, here in the States, Germany, but not Thailand! That's a travesty that requires remedy.

And I don't want them old too. They should be hot and not MILF old. My experiences in Bangkok, while ranging from pretty good to great, with a handful of terrible.

Not one ever rimmed. I don't care about BBFS either. I want to be rimmed! I know some of the chicks in Cherry Massage will do it, but they're not hot.

I should just kill myself.[/QUOTE]I've been regularly rimmed at Stella Nuru Massage on Sukhumvit 10 Alley, so might be worth a try. There are a few hot girls so luck of the draw on any given day. A few months since I've been and their website doesn't specify but it's included in their 90 minute offering if memory serves. I'm not sure how much of the session they're willing to devote to this if you are a connoisseur, but for my purposes, 5-10 minutes certainly does the job.

Besides the watch sellers, recently I encountered two non-Thai males near Nana selling iPhones. The one he showed me was an iPhone 16, he started off asking for 50,000B and lowered the price each time I rejected him. Ended up offering the phone for 5000B but I passed. The phones looked legit and were likely made in China but he said the phones had the full Apple warranty.

[QUOTE=Nomeymom;3052157]Billboard has some hotties, the vibe is banging in there also, good music, set up etc.

Yep. Expensive lesson but learnt it. They are all in on it, I called them out but the girl who I was going to take home (I already paid) switched on me like why the fuck you checking the bill, all one big professional job, but yeah never looking after the staff in there again, I was tipping all night and they did that.[/QUOTE]That's my general sense of Nana and Cowboy. The whole thing is a racket designed to extract Bhat from wallet and nothing else. I have never felt more comodotized than I do in Thailand. It's like you are a walking ATM in most places. As soon as they spot you, you are plugged in and now it's just a matter of going through the motions: Sit Here. Drink This. Pay lady. Pay Tip. Pay Bar Fine. Exit. If you deviate from their playbook you are an annoyance. It's not like this across all venues. But certainly in most. I tolerate it, but find it limiting. And there in lies the irony. I'd be a much bigger spender if I could design an evening around my mood and tastes, rather than being just another cog in their machine. But fine. Its still good value at 5-10 K for a night out.

Found her on MR, seems like she'll be fun, but she only has 1 review, and her listing becomes Unavailable frequently. If anyone has any experience or reviews on her please share.

Thanks.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-bangkok/amazingkatehotsexytanthai-independent[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nomeymom;3052157] I was tipping all night and they did that.[/QUOTE]Maybe that's what triggered them to scam you. It's not necessary to give many tips. They probably thought you were an easy mark.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3051934]Been in Thailand for just over 2 weeks between BKK and HH. So in BKK:

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On a side note, what is it with property development along Suk. About 5 years ago there ws a big development with foundation works ongoing on the corner of Soi 10. Doesn't appear to be any progress in the last 3 years. Similar plot on the corner of Soi12 is now a night market (plate full of mixed insects in the food court is 150 tb, with the ability to mix and match 6 different types of insect). Looks to be another corner plot ready for development next to Sheraton Grand Suk. Only building site with significant activity is on Soi 11, where the old beer bar area use to be. It's just foundation work, so that will probably grind to a halt shortly.[/QUOTE]The property at Soi 10 with the 10th Avenue sign has a long and VERY storied history. Google 'Chewit Kamolvisit', and read from 2003 to 2023 (and the present) -- it's a good story. Personally, I hope it goes back to being the nice park it was (Chewit Garden) from 2006 until 2017, though that's probably a long shot, but a miniscule possibility. For the property at Soi 12, my guess is that getting financing might be a little complicated for that area right now. Two new office buildings have been recently completed nearby (JLK and O-NES). They have a lot of empty space so far, so a new office building in the area might be a trick to finance. Similarly, a condo building that was built nearby (I think it's called Q1 Sukhumvit) still has a number of unsold units, so another condo building is a long shot right now. A new large hotel is being built on Soi 11, as you said, so financiers may wait to see how that does. Foundation work is pretty specific to a particular building design, and is slow going, so maybe we'll eventually see something there -- the JLK building took forever, but was eventually completed. Maybe I'm too optimistic.

[QUOTE=SaulGoodman41;3052162]I've been regularly rimmed at Stella Nuru Massage on Sukhumvit 10 Alley, so might be worth a try. There are a few hot girls so luck of the draw on any given day. A few months since I've been and their website doesn't specify but it's included in their 90 minute offering if memory serves. I'm not sure how much of the session they're willing to devote to this if you are a connoisseur, but for my purposes, 5-10 minutes certainly does the job.[/QUOTE]Thanks SaulGoodman41! This is a big help, I'm definitely going there then when I'm in Bangkok. Barring a heart attack or financial woes, I should be able to get back to Thailand sometime this year Satan willing. Knowing rimming is possible there, it'll be one of the first joints I'll check out. So many new places to try in Bangkok now. Last time I was in Bangkok was freaking 3 or 4 years ago.

Just planning a trip to Bangkok. I am of indian origin from the US. Mid 30's, athletic, well groomed, hygeinic. But it appears that there is quite a bit of bad rep for indian guys. I guess because of past behaviors, patterns and perhaps bad hygeine. I guess it is what it is. For e. G. I approached TonyBKK but got rejection from the lady becuase of her past experiences. But any advice on folks that visited before on where to go for best experiences. Thanks.

[QUOTE=FunBird;3052439]Just planning a trip to Bangkok. I am of indian origin from the US. Mid 30's, athletic, well groomed, hygeinic. But it appears that there is quite a bit of bad rep for indian guys. I guess because of past behaviors, patterns and perhaps bad hygeine. I guess it is what it is. For e. G. I approached TonyBKK but got rejection from the lady becuase of her past experiences. But any advice on folks that visited before on where to go for best experiences. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Some people (like me) will tell you yes. I actually never saw or experienced it with a girl directly (I myself am not Indian by the way). But from club / bar supervision and employees yes. And then there are others who will tell you no. But, there's a whole thread here on this subject. You should read it, then come back with some informed questions if still necessary: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3759-Advice-for-Indians-visiting-Thailand[/URL]

[QUOTE=FunBird;3052439]Just planning a trip to Bangkok. I am of indian origin from the US. Mid 30's, athletic, well groomed, hygeinic. But it appears that there is quite a bit of bad rep for indian guys. I guess because of past behaviors, patterns and perhaps bad hygeine. I guess it is what it is. For e. G. I approached TonyBKK but got rejection from the lady becuase of her past experiences. But any advice on folks that visited before on where to go for best experiences. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'the recommend the gogos or beer bars. There you can interact with the girls directly and they will see u don't fit the stereotype. Buy some drinks and get friendly. Not a problem if you indeed don't fit the Indian stereotype.

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend some nasty SP's that will do A+, will probably hit up Tulip but wouldn't mind having some fun at the hotel as well.

Much appreciated.

YM.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3052481]Some people (like me) will tell you yes. I actually never saw or experienced it with a girl directly (I myself am not Indian by the way). But from club / bar supervision and employees yes. And then there are others who will tell you no. But, there's a whole thread here on this subject. You should read it, then come back with some informed questions if still necessary: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3759-Advice-for-Indians-visiting-Thailand[/URL][/QUOTE]

Hi, this does happen all over the world. One gentleman I know could not even get a response from an agency in Manila when he said he was of Indian descent.

I was more curious about high end soapy massages in Bangkok. For example would ladies at Poseidon, la Belle, etc, refuse men of certain backgrounds? I have read comments both ways, with some saying they might get a sudden headache, others saying no it is non-discriminatory service. At the end of the day, it is the lady's right to choose who she wants to be with.

[QUOTE=FunBird;3052439]Just planning a trip to Bangkok. I am of indian origin from the US. Mid 30's, athletic, well groomed, hygeinic. But it appears that there is quite a bit of bad rep for indian guys. I guess because of past behaviors, patterns and perhaps bad hygeine. I guess it is what it is. For e. G. I approached TonyBKK but got rejection from the lady becuase of her past experiences. But any advice on folks that visited before on where to go for best experiences. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Hi, do not take it personally, as there are plenty of other choices for you. Remember it is your money, your time and your #$%&!. I wish you a wonderful time.

I have posted a question about soapy massages based on what you wrote. I hope fellow members can provide input on that option.

[QUOTE=FunBird;3052439]Just planning a trip to Bangkok. I am of indian origin from the US. Mid 30's, athletic, well groomed, hygeinic. But it appears that there is quite a bit of bad rep for indian guys. I guess because of past behaviors, patterns and perhaps bad hygeine. I guess it is what it is. For e. G. I approached TonyBKK but got rejection from the lady becuase of her past experiences. But any advice on folks that visited before on where to go for best experiences. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Your an American, if you talk like one and act like one you will get treated like one. Find an American wingman for your first trips.

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3052561]Hi, do not take it personally, as there are plenty of other choices for you. Remember it is your money, your time and your #$%&!. I wish you a wonderful time.

I have posted a question about soapy massages based on what you wrote. I hope fellow members can provide input on that option.[/QUOTE]Nah. Nothing personal in this trade!! Any good alternatives to TonyBKK with quality outcalls would be appreicated!!

Are there any places like the South American chongos of Lima and Bogota that offer short time at a cheap price? Say 1000 or less. Or are the only options SWs / freelancers, MPs, and fish bowls?

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3052560]Hi, this does happen all over the world. One gentleman I know could not even get a response from an agency in Manila when he said he was of Indian descent.

I was more curious about high end soapy massages in Bangkok. For example would ladies at Poseidon, la Belle, etc, refuse men of certain backgrounds? I have read comments both ways, with some saying they might get a sudden headache, others saying no it is non-discriminatory service. At the end of the day, it is the lady's right to choose who she wants to be with.[/QUOTE]I can't guarantee it, but I don't think there would be a problem at La Belle. I have never seen a man refused there. In general, the women are gracious and happy to be chosen.

Bangkok and Pattaya are international cities with lots of foreigners enjoying bars, restaurants, girls, street scenes. Lots of older Euro and Aussie guys sit at bars looking out to traffic on sidewalks with their glassy eyes, a few got so drunk passed out, slept on sidewalk on Soi 4.

Bar girls and street girls have lots of experiences assessing and dealing with guys everyday, thousands times more than you and me. They can quickly size up guys they come into contacts with. Dark, gruffy-looking guys in shabby clothes, walking in groups of 3 are 4, may be perceived as problems and avoided. I enjoy interacting with locals in my travel, walked, rode buses, bikes, taxis, Grabs, long-tail boats all over Bangkok, Pattaya and Thailand, into some remote neighborhoods. Overall I did not see obvious, rough racial discrimination in Thailand. Thais are very friendly, patient, helpful and peaceful with foreigners, more so than all other peoples in South East Asia. Their smiles are genuine, happy, loving.

The best locations in Bangkok with the best selection for hot girls are nana Plaza and along Soi 4, also along lower Sukhumvit, but it's a long walk. Find a few hot girls in Billboards or Butterflies, have them sit on your lap, buy them $7 bar drinks, embrace and kiss them. Even without much verbal communication, their gestures and facial expressions are sweet, fun, loving, better deals than in titties bars in other parts of the world. I never found bad attitudes or rejection by Nana Plaza girls or street girls on Soi 4. I dislike only Thermae girls with their cold expressions and sully attitudes.

Bangkok is nice, clean, fun, safe, sexy, exotic place with good food, good entertainment and the nicest, hottest girls in Asia. Can't wait to come back.

Couple years ago in Bangkok I was taken to live sex shows and brothels for locals with dozens new hot girls from the countryside.

Ask tuk tuk drivers or hotel workers. They know places away from Sukhumvit where locals go for sex.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;3052705]I can't guarantee it, but I don't think there would be a problem at La Belle. I have never seen a man refused there. In general, the women are gracious and happy to be chosen.[/QUOTE]If hygiene is the issue, a bath is part of the service. If suspected non-payment is the issue, cash must be handed over at the counter before the going to the room. If lookie-lou free riders are an issue, there's no skin on display and time to make a selection is pretty much limited to 30 minutes before they show you the door. All the poor behavior that Indians have unfortunately stereotyped themselves with in the night club scene are effectively neutralized in places like La Belle. They've fool proofed it. For these reasons I don't think ANY nationality would have a problem there with ANY of the girls so long as you have the cash. Having said all that. If a guy. Indian or not. Shows up stinking of BO, tests the papason's patience, tries to 'negotiate' price, or tries to pressure a girl to do things outside of the standard service. Don't be surprised if things don't end well.

[QUOTE=FunBird;3052439]Just planning a trip to Bangkok. I am of indian origin from the US. Mid 30's, athletic, well groomed, hygeinic. But it appears that there is quite a bit of bad rep for indian guys. I guess because of past behaviors, patterns and perhaps bad hygeine. I guess it is what it is. For e. G. I approached TonyBKK but got rejection from the lady becuase of her past experiences. But any advice on folks that visited before on where to go for best experiences. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've only ever seen it happening one time, at a bar in Nana. Some folks of Indian persuasion were barred entry at the door. Aside from that, I think you'll be fine. Thailand is basically paradise on earth. Almost no crime, incredibly safe, cheap, great weather. And most people are nice, racism is basically non-existent.

I'd sell my soul to be able to live, party, retire and die in Thailand. But alas, I'm trapped in this hellhole that's the dis-united states of Merica. High taxes, ridiculous fees, no jobs. Toxic work environments. But look at Thailand, everybody's pretty happy, a growing middle class, jobs for everyone. Chicks everywhere. I fucking loved my time there, and I will make it my mission in life to go back again even if it kills me. If you got a chance to go back to Thailand, make it happen dude.

Until yesterday I'the never used Smooci before but decided that it was an easy option due to my circumstances so I picked Mina and hit the go button.

Mina arrived about 15 minutes late for the booking and looked mostly like her photos on the site, obviously she was probably 5 years older than claimed, but that's expected these days.

Performance is as advertised. I read a few reviews about her using Google to access them. She certainly knows her way around a man body and does her best to please you.

WIR? For sure if I get the time.

There's been an apparent of uptick in farang beat downs specifically on my white colored brethren. Thais usually cite physical assault, unpaid bill, or property damage. The latest one that circulated on TikTok was a European gentleman getting a concussive beating at the hands of a couple of Thai security guards. I think these farangs go into this situation underestimating the Thai people's aggression towards them. The main take away is that it's never one on one. Everybody wants a piece. It just might be social media sensationalizing it but I've witnessed a few.

I have done several trips to BKK (solo, and in a group with 2 other Indian guys) and Pattaya (solo only). This is my $0. 02.

1. Money speaks. The 3 of us have been to Spankys in Nana Plaza multiple times. We usually are sandwiched with 5 girls at our table. Drinks for them, for the mamasan. We even got the entire bar drinks a couple of times (they ring a bell when you do). What did that get us. A duo of girls performed and they took one of my friends on stage.

2. Dress well, smell good. You said you do, dress like you are going to a party. If you have outcall to your room, shower after the girl comes in. I usually get them to agree to shower together first.

3. Respect the girls. Most important.

On outcalls, I have had girls from Goldie's Bangkokgoldenescort a couple of times at my hotel. Good experience for me, one of the few that took crypto payment (although I could do only cash)!!

If you look up well reviewed spas like secret kiss, nomo22, etc. They have prices for outcall. I would walk in there, choose girl, fix outcall time and have her over. Seeing in person better IMO.

[QUOTE=FunBird;3052698]Nah. Nothing personal in this trade!! Any good alternatives to TonyBKK with quality outcalls would be appreicated!![/QUOTE]

My first time ever was in Bangkok 8 years back & it didn't go so well. Now I'm visiting again next week and hoping this time I will leave with a pleasant memory. I'm planning to keep it simple. I don't drink, so don't wana waste my time in bars. I'm good with freelancers on street or even spas. Can anyone recommend where I can find spas that will have good service for up to 2000 TB max? Name or area will be helpful. Also kindly suggest where I'd find good reliable street freelancers. Help a bro out please Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=JitenS;3053233]My first time ever was in Bangkok 8 years back & it didn't go so well. Now I'm visiting again next week and hoping this time I will leave with a pleasant memory. I'm planning to keep it simple. I don't drink, so don't wana waste my time in bars. I'm good with freelancers on street or even spas. Can anyone recommend where I can find spas that will have good service for up to 2000 TB max? Name or area will be helpful. Also kindly suggest where I'd find good reliable street freelancers. Help a bro out please Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]This forum is full of information and the answers that you seek if you know how to read and do your research.

[QUOTE=JitenS;3053233]My first time ever was in Bangkok 8 years back & it didn't go so well. Now I'm visiting again next week and hoping this time I will leave with a pleasant memory. I'm planning to keep it simple. I don't drink, so don't wana waste my time in bars. I'm good with freelancers on street or even spas. Can anyone recommend where I can find spas that will have good service for up to 2000 TB max? Name or area will be helpful. Also kindly suggest where I'd find good reliable street freelancers. Help a bro out please Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Checkout the app Thai friendly. 2000 thb might be a stretch if your going for spas FL maybe.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3052781]Bangkok and Pattaya are international cities with lots of foreigners enjoying bars, restaurants, girls, street scenes. Lots of older Euro and Aussie guys sit at bars looking out to traffic on sidewalks with their glassy eyes, a few got so drunk passed out, slept on sidewalk on Soi 4.

Bar girls and street girls have lots of experiences assessing and dealing with guys everyday, thousands times more than you and me. They can quickly size up guys they come into contacts with. Dark, gruffy-looking guys in shabby clothes, walking in groups of 3 are 4, may be perceived as problems and avoided. I enjoy interacting with locals in my travel, walked, rode buses, bikes, taxis, Grabs, long-tail boats all over Bangkok, Pattaya and Thailand, into some remote neighborhoods. Overall I did not see obvious, rough racial discrimination in Thailand. Thais are very friendly, patient, helpful and peaceful with foreigners, more so than all other peoples in South East Asia. Their smiles are genuine, happy, loving.

The best locations in Bangkok with the best selection for hot girls are nana Plaza and along Soi 4, also along lower Sukhumvit, but it's a long walk. Find a few hot girls in Billboards or Butterflies, have them sit on your lap, buy them $7 bar drinks, embrace and kiss them. Even without much verbal communication, their gestures and facial expressions are sweet, fun, loving, better deals than in titties bars in other parts of the world. I never found bad attitudes or rejection by Nana Plaza girls or street girls on Soi 4. I dislike only Thermae girls with their cold expressions and sully attitudes..[/QUOTE]Hi, I read your experience and it just made me want to ask you something: without going to the gogobar and similar, can you ask someone online to come to your hotel? I imagine so. Can you suggest a website that offers this service? Is it a reliable system?

I've written this up 3 times now, only to be logged out or not posted. Maybe the topic isn't hot anymore but here goes: I'll put in a big yes for Kasalong. It's all about the moment and whether the spirit grabs you.

I've walked by dozens of times on past visits. No interest before. This time however. Was my last 2 days in BKK. I'd been in Udon (not bad) and Pattaya (not satisfying at all). I'm an older experienced monger coming to grips with the fact that the mind wants but the body isn't always willing. I'm plenty fit and get hard but sometimes completion is the issue (tmi). Sound familiar?

I was trying to figure out how to have one last blast. I read about an outcall massage service, Healing Hands, and also an upscale incall. Time was getting short and I had a lunch meeting at the very excellent Georgian / Uzbek restaurant across from Lolitas. On the way, I was hit up by Ploy at Kasalong. She had nice legs and a short skirt and in that moment, the feeling was good. I told her I'd be back after lunch. As soon as I was free, I ducked in. Nevermind the utilitarian venue. Ploy went to town in the right ways and I happily shot my load in no time. She was great. No hacking just a discreet use of a towel. She was sweet and very good at her job. For some reason, this was just what I needed this time. It had been a long time since I came in a woman's mouth and was a confidence booster.

I know there are more decorated locales, but the urge is subjective and you never know what will satisfy. Happy travels.

I tried Thaifriendly. Most women did not look good, old, rough ghetto hoes with lots of tattoos and piercing, mostly bar girls, urge you to meet them in gogo bars to spend money on them.

I tried Smooci, allegedly the dominant escort site, booked a young hot girl with the best-looking pics to come to my hotel. She showed up 20 years older, 20 lbs heavier, looking hardened and tired in shabby clothes, disheveled hair, bloodshot eyes, an obvious drugs addict. Worse yet, she checked in with hotel reception and they attached a pic of her ID to mine as my guest in their database. She was a very rough bait and switch. No way I would sleep with a run down old woman like her. I told her to leave and refused to give her taxi money. I never bother with escort sites again. So no! I don't think outcall escorts are worth bothering in Bangkok.

I don't know your reasons not to go to bars or cruise the streets, which are the best venues for hot girls. FIWFANS and various incall web sites list hundreds hot, young girls in their hotel rooms, servicing primarily locals, 1000 to 1500 Thb per session. I found many hottest, nicest, sexiest girls this way. Find the girls you like and take BTS and Grab to their hotels. Worth the trip.

A very hot and personable FIWFANS girl, with 70% English, went out with me, dinner, show then hit the bed all night for 5,000 Bahts or about $150. She's educated, could talk and discuss serious subjects, very nice company. The poor girl said she had to pay 1,500 Bahts for the hotel room a night regardless if she books any guy or not.

A few seasoned expats in Bangkok also recommend FIWFANS and incall sites.

[QUOTE=JitenS;3053233]My first time ever was in Bangkok 8 years back & it didn't go so well. Now I'm visiting again next week and hoping this time I will leave with a pleasant memory. I'm planning to keep it simple. I don't drink, so don't wana waste my time in bars. I'm good with freelancers on street or even spas. Can anyone recommend where I can find spas that will have good service for up to 2000 TB max? Name or area will be helpful. Also kindly suggest where I'd find good reliable street freelancers. Help a bro out please Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Although I agree with some other board members that you should read the forum first, here are a few suggestions.
Go to the massage parlors at the start of Sukhumvit Soi 24, close to Phrom Phong BTS Station. Like this one for example: [URL]https://addictmassage.com/service-rate/[/URL].
Or around Sukhumvit Soi 33, like this one for example: [URL]https://bonita-bkk.com/erotic-massage-rates-bangkok/[/URL].
Just a few examples. There are many more. Search for 'erotic massage' on Google Maps.
Or read this thread: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!

Street freelancers can be found in Sukhumvit Soi 4. Reliable? Well, not all of them I guess, and beware of the lady boys (unless that's your thing).

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3053420]I tried Smooci, allegedly the dominant escort site, booked a young hot girl with the best-looking pics to come to my hotel. She showed up 20 years older, 20 lbs heavier, looking hardened and tired in shabby clothes, disheveled hair, bloodshot eyes, an obvious drugs addict. Worse yet, she checked in with hotel reception and they attached a pic of her ID to mine as my guest in their database. She was a very rough bait and switch. No way I would sleep with a run down old woman like her. I told her to leave and refused to give her taxi money. I never bother with escort sites again. So no! I don't think outcall escorts are worth bothering in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I've only done Smooci once and it was a positive experience, that was perhaps 4 years ago. I've done TF more times than I can remember and most have been positive experiences. In future, consider three safety measures. 1. Have them send picture of their Thai ID to confirm age and gender. 2. Arrange a brief Line video call before giving your location. 3. Always meet in hotel lobby (or parking lot) before giving your room number. If you dont like what shows up to your hotel, dont bring her to reception desk.

I don't know what the hotels do with those copies of girls IDs after they leave, but my hotels could have a tall stack of girls IDs in my file. I always check my girls in and it has never caused a problem.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3053429]Although I agree with some other board members that you should read the forum first, here are a few suggestions.
Go to the massage parlors at the start of Sukhumvit Soi 24, close to Phrom Phong BTS Station. Like this one for example: [URL]https://addictmassage.com/service-rate/[/URL].
Or around Sukhumvit Soi 33, like this one for example: [URL]https://bonita-bkk.com/erotic-massage-rates-bangkok/[/URL].
Just a few examples. There are many more. Search for 'erotic massage' on Google Maps.
Or read this thread: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!

Street freelancers can be found in Sukhumvit Soi 4. Reliable? Well, not all of them I guess, and beware of the lady boys (unless that's your thing).[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot bro. This is exactly what I needed. I did go through many pages before asking, and did my research, but there's too much information available on endless pages, so I just wanted to start with someone's specific directions.

[QUOTE=FunBird;3052439]Just planning a trip to Bangkok. I am of indian origin from the US. Mid 30's, athletic, well groomed, hygeinic. But it appears that there is quite a bit of bad rep for indian guys. I guess because of past behaviors, patterns and perhaps bad hygeine. I guess it is what it is. For e. G. I approached TonyBKK but got rejection from the lady becuase of her past experiences. But any advice on folks that visited before on where to go for best experiences. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Proper Indian here myself and just like you I'm US based. I am in mid 40's and well groomed, well mannered and speak perfect English. I am a US Citizen and been living in United States since I was 17. So all my adult life. I have had similar concerns, but most of them have been alleviated by posters here. Like others have said, being well groomed and respecting women gets you a long way. Also not hanging out in groups of 5-6 people is a good thing. I have noticed that with lot of negatives about Indian folks, there are some common characteristics, and one of them happens to be guys hanging out in group of 4-5. I would avoid that. You only get one chance to make first impression.

I am yet to go to Bangkok and will be going in Dec for the first time. I am not one bit concerned. And above all, rejection is part of life. After doing everything by the book, you will still get rejected by some. Expect it. Plan for it. Don't take it personally. You will be rejecting a few too. It all works out in the end. There are so many women in Bangkok that some of them rejecting you, should not bother you one bit.

[QUOTE=JitenS;3053233]My first time ever was in Bangkok 8 years back & it didn't go so well. Now I'm visiting again next week and hoping this time I will leave with a pleasant memory. I'm planning to keep it simple. I don't drink, so don't wana waste my time in bars. I'm good with freelancers on street or even spas. Can anyone recommend where I can find spas that will have good service for up to 2000 TB max? Name or area will be helpful. Also kindly suggest where I'd find good reliable street freelancers. Help a bro out please Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Just to mention that you don't have to drink alcohol in the bars, I usually have soda water. Your maximum threshold is quite low, it will be a bit challenging. There are some freelancers on Soi Nana (Sukhumvit Soi 4) that will accept 2000, and probably a bit less. Some are around as early as 5 pm, but the best time is after 8 pm, maybe peaking around 10 pm, then slowly dissipating but continuing into the morning hours.

Horse gives us some good suggestions to filter out fakes and flakes in the outcall services.

However it still takes way too much time and work to text back and forth and wait around in the hotel, when you can be in Gogo bars and on the streets checking out the great supply of merchandise in the flesh, drink, eat, party, have fun, not having to wait around all day in the hotel with dick in hand, then have to face old, ugly, tatted ghetto hoes show up at your door.

I want to enjoy every minute of my vacation and not get frustrated by stupid, old, ugly escorts.

[QUOTE=JitenS;3053529]... did my research ...[/QUOTE]To invoke Chad Ochocinco. CUH'MONE MANNNN!

I have a google maps list of every listing for "erotic massage" in BKK. I just looked at pricing for the 1st 10 on their websites or LINE messages. 2 had no prices near your limit. Here are the other 8:

- standard 40 min 2100 Bhte. - another advertises "2000 Bht". - full service 40 min 2000 Bht. - 30 min 1500 HJ. 1700 BJ. 2000 FS. - Sex only no massage 40 min 1700 Bht. - 40 min express relief 1900 Bht. - relaxation in deluxe room 40 min 2000 Bht. - shower room 40 min 2000 Bht.

? ? ? ? ?

You aren't getting a 2 hour deluxe nuru with 2 women. You might be settling for some hand jobs, blow jobs, oldsters, fatties, and 30-40 minute sessions.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3053420]... Thaifriendly ... Smooci ... go to bars or cruise the streets ... FIWFANS ... etc.[/QUOTE]For me it just depends. I have had excellent experiences with TF, Thermae, outcall escorts / massage, spas, FIWFANS, street girls, and gogo bars, and then some not so great ones. One of best was a drunk but not too drunk girl from Geisha at 2 AM. GFE all the way, no protection. It's always the excitement of the possibility of a discovery for me. I am willing to take a blind chance sometimes as an explorer spirit.

Also, sometimes I get noise / crowd / bar / traffic / heat / smog fatigue and just don't want the hassle. At those times I am feeling very lazy in my room and want to chill and have a girl come and take care of things. I am 3 out of 4 for good experiences with outcall. Only one was a scammer expecting 5-6000 Bht for boom boom because "too big" which is BS. Rest were very cool and even BBFS with one. Strangely I have not had a bait and switch where girl did not look like pics.

I am definitely expanding my FIWFANS activity next trip too.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3053445]And asking where the 2,000 b girls be at is kind of off-putting. This isn't Beach Road in Pattaya 20 years ago.

Anybody have any recent Intelligence on Thermae.[/QUOTE]What intelligence is needed for Thermae? Reporting on Thermae is like reporting on McDonalds. It is always the same. Last month me, 2 of my brothers, and a few cousins were there about 10 pm. You walk in and are immediately directed to the bar to buy a drink. I got Sangsom on ice for maybe 150 baht. The place was loaded with chicks. The chicks were just standing around with guys walking in a line in a circular pattern to view them and proposition them if they wanted. Most chicks were asking for 3000. One chick slipped up and said 2000 then quickly changed to 3000. I sat in one of the booths between some chicks. Some chick came telling me it is their work area. I started laughing and continued sitting there.

We left and went to Hooters with one of the chicks following behind my brother. After about 5 minutes of sitting in Hooters the girl left. No idea what the deal with them was.

One of my twin cousins likes to keep the same chick, so he brought his from Pattaya. After Hooters me, him and my brother went across to Bunny Bar. The rest of the guys went back to their place. The best chick in the bar was being really aggressive with my brother about bar fining her. He finally did. I think it was 800 baht. The chicks in that place seemed to be freelance though. I thought the chick was pretty cool, but he said she started acting weird when they got to his hotel so he kicked her out.

The next night we were in Climax. When I was getting ready to leave I saw a chick behind our table that I liked. We spoke in Thai and were dancing and shit. I was like this is my lucky night. Then one of the 2 girls she was with demanded that I buy them some drinks. I told that raggedy broad that I was not buying them anything. (Hell, you already get 2 free drinks for paying the 300 or 400 baht to get in.) She said well get away from here if you are not going to buy us drinks. So I left. Women do some crazy shit. This girl let her friends block her blessing.

I had no problem finding chicks for 2000 baht. One chick in front of my hotel insisted on coming for 1200 for all night. I think she lived far or something and did not want to go home empty handed. I was having to beat her away, then a guy from Texas staying in the same hotel came and scooped her up.

The next night I was in Burger King and saw a chick sitting down eating ice cream. I sat down and ate while talking to her. She had just gotten into town and came with me for 2000 until I left the next day at 11 am. Total GFE, BB. She was so sweet that I started to bring her home to Pattaya with me. I checked out and took Bolt to Ekkamai then a van back to Pattaya for 160 baht.

Like the Wolf of Wall Street said. "I ain't f**king leaving".

You know that Wunderland middle floor Nana, are all the girls there Ladyboy's, they said they weren't but I heard some voice and all their feet are massive.

There's also a rainbow next to it, do you think its actually members or they just don't like certain clientelle.

Obviously Billboard IMO has the best tallent there, but I noticed not many girls working on Mondays etc.

Hmm. More to report. Also I think the staff there clocked I noticed they bar padded me, not happened since.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3053420]I tried Thaifriendly. Most women did not look good, old, rough ghetto hoes with lots of tattoos and piercing, mostly bar girls, urge you to meet them in gogo bars to spend money on them.
[/QUOTE]This was my experience with ThaiFriendly in Bangkok as well. Simple matter of fact is that the best way to pick up in Bangkok is in person and not online. I did however find that ThaiFriendly was more reliable and efficient in Pattaya compared to the total waste of time it was for me in Bangkok. In Pattaya the girls were generally more responsive in app, showed up to my hotel within an hours notice and 2 out of 3 times looked just like the pictures. In Bangkok, the response rate was much lower and slower, and of those that did engage none passed my sniff test. One turned out to be a LB, another was a club coyote, others would quote and then ghost. Just hit the streets with a pocket full of Bhat and you'll be better off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3053659]What intelligence is needed for Thermae? Reporting on Thermae is like reporting on McDonalds. It is always the same. Last month me, 2 of my brothers, and a few cousins were there about 10 pm. You walk in and are immediately directed to the bar to buy a drink. I got Sangsom on ice for maybe 150 baht. The place was loaded with chicks. The chicks were just standing around with guys walking in a line in a circular pattern to view them and proposition them if they wanted. Most chicks were asking for 3000. One chick slipped up and said 2000 then quickly changed to 3000. I sat in one of the booths between some chicks. Some chick came telling me it is their work area. I started laughing and continued sitting there.[/QUOTE]Well you left out who the clientele was but its OK.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3053884]Well you left out who the clientele was but its OK.[/QUOTE]Why the hell would I care about other guys? I was there for the women.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3053420]I tried Thaifriendly. Most women did not look good, old, rough ghetto hoes with lots of tattoos and piercing, mostly bar girls, urge you to meet them in gogo bars to spend money on them.

I tried Smooci, allegedly the dominant escort site, booked a young hot girl with the best-looking pics to come to my hotel. She showed up 20 years older, 20 lbs heavier, looking hardened and tired in shabby clothes, disheveled hair, bloodshot eyes, an obvious drugs addict. Worse yet, she checked in with hotel reception and they attached a pic of her ID to mine as my guest in their database. She was a very rough bait and switch. No way I would sleep with a run down old woman like her. I told her to leave and refused to give her taxi money. I never bother with escort sites again. So no! I don't think outcall escorts are worth bothering in Bangkok.

I don't know your reasons not to go to bars or cruise the streets, which are the best venues for hot girls. FIWFANS and various incall web sites list hundreds hot, young girls in their hotel rooms, servicing primarily locals, 1000 to 1500 Thb per session. I found many hottest, nicest, sexiest girls this way. Find the girls you like and take BTS and Grab to their hotels. Worth the trip.

A very hot and personable FIWFANS girl, with 70% English, went out with me, dinner, show then hit the bed all night for 5,000 Bahts or about $150. She's educated, could talk and discuss serious subjects, very nice company. The poor girl said she had to pay 1,500 Bahts for the hotel room a night regardless if she books any guy or not.

A few seasoned expats in Bangkok also recommend FIWFANS and incall sites.[/QUOTE]You have everything rather arseways there mate. Anyone 'seasoned' will tell you smooci is not the same since the raid 2. 5 years ago now, so your quite out of touch. Also FIWfans doesn't actually exist anymore, but again if you want a high probability of fake profiles, then use the FIWFANS spin off sites.

Finally, very very difficult to find an ugly Inked up Ghetto type old hag on Bangkok on TF if that was your fetish you would certainly end up lonely. Maybe out in the countryside yes, but without the tattoos maybe. And in BKK while some girls will try and hook up after work, very few will try and get you to go to gogobars during work hours.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3053659]What intelligence is needed for Thermae? Reporting on Thermae is like reporting on McDonalds. It is always the same. Last month me, 2 of my brothers, and a few cousins were there about 10 pm. You walk in and are immediately directed to the bar to buy a drink. I got Sangsom on ice for maybe 150 baht. The place was loaded with chicks. The chicks were just standing around with guys walking in a line in a circular pattern to view them and proposition them if they wanted. Most chicks were asking for 3000. One chick slipped up and said 2000 then quickly changed to 3000. I sat in one of the booths between some chicks. Some chick came telling me it is their work area. I started laughing and continued sitting there.

We left and went to Hooters with one of the chicks following behind my brother. After about 5 minutes of sitting in Hooters the girl left. No idea what the deal with them was.

One of my twin cousins likes to keep the same chick, so he brought his from Pattaya. After Hooters me, him and my brother went across to Bunny Bar. The rest of the guys went back to their place. The best chick in the bar was being really aggressive with my brother about bar fining her. He finally did. I think it was 800 baht. The chicks in that place seemed to be freelance though. I thought the chick was pretty cool, but he said she started acting weird when they got to his hotel so he kicked her out..[/QUOTE]If you sat in their work area, why did you laugh and continue to sit there?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3053943]Why the hell would I care about other guys? I was there for the women.[/QUOTE]Its the only variation in the place.

I was passing through Bangkok on a Saturday night so I thought I'd try Nana Plaza. I had a good idea of what to expect from reports here (thanks) so I made my way there about 9 pm. Security guards were at the entrance and waved me through, though somebody next to me got asked for ID. Probably age checks I guess. Found Lollypop immediately, ordered a white wine, got accosted by two females, and was then left alone. Wine was awful! Barely drank half of it, but did some people watching, girls arriving on shift, etc. Pretty busy already.

Went upstairs to Billboard because I head they had a jacuzzi and a spinning stage. Limited seating left but found one at the bar next to the jacuzzi. There, up to four ladies at a time were topless in the jacuzzi, swapping out every 15-20 minutes or so. No frolicking as such, just kind of swaying really. Maybe applying some bubbles to breasts occasionally. Pretty tame. No hassle for girls or drinks, but attentive when waved over.

Next, went to Spanky's. Quite cramped inside with tiered seating on one side, two levels I think. Every 15 minutes there would be an announcement of "It's showtime!" and there'd be one or two girls performing some act or dance, or a group swaying to music topless. One or two completely nude but pretty dark in there, and nothing explicit. One time some bloke got onto the stage. Summoned willingly I think. And got his pants pulled down, probably thought he was getting a blowjob but all they did was rub some ice around his manhood and kind of gently mock him. Later on a girl from the audience joined two ladies giving a "lesbian" performance, which seemed to take them by surprise, but sat her on the couch thing while they hovered over her and kissed / rubbed through clothes. More raunchy that Billboard but tame by Tijuana standards (I'm lucky in that respect) - just saying this for others, as I found it hard to get comparisons in advance. Yes, I've seen more explicit in other places too but only with locals, not tourist places.

I noticed a couple of men had ladies on their laps, rubbing their breasts with their tops pushed to the side. I asked the waitress for one I liked and that one lady drink must have lasted 15 minutes. Fun girl, though never said much, just singing and dancing on my lap, no concerns over where my hands went. Did not go further as I was feeling the effects of the alcohol by this point.

Stopped by Billboard again to see if the situation was any different (about 11:30 pm by this point) but was the same so I left (tired after travelling).

No issues with bar bill padding or pushy mamasans or girls beyond the occasional question, felt pretty safe, had a good time. YMMV!

[QUOTE=PgReal;3054031]If you sat in their work area, why did you laugh and continue to sit there?[/QUOTE]Because it is a bar and anyone can sit in any place. There are no signs saying hookers must be in this area and potential tricks must be in that area. It is a public space. Same as if you went to Beach Road in Pattaya and you were standing next to a palm tree and some hooker comes up and says excuse me but this is our work area. No such thing exists.

Matter of fact the girls there are not buying shit. And in my experience in most places where girls are not buying shit, they will kick them out of a table anyway so that someone who is buying shit can sit there. If you have ever been to Thermae you will know that there are booths with tables to sit at like a restaurant. The girls all stand in front of the tables essentially blocking the booths from being sat in. I sat where nobody was blocking, then later some chick comes along and claims in front of that booth as her work area.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3054031]If you sat in their work area, why did you laugh and continue to sit there?[/QUOTE]I agree. In places like that you have to know that the girls have a turf system of who stands and sits where. It can get pretty brutal between them and the hierarchy of prime spots is probably controlled like a mafia. Second, these girls stand there for hours on end day after day, some don't have an option to sit. And lastly, some girls have regular spots where their customers know where to find them, if they relocate they might miss a trick. So. If you as a customer are completely oblivious to these things or simply don't care. I'd say it's more than just being dikish. It's downright mean. If a girl asks for your spot just move aside and wish her luck. You are just passing through. You don't have to pay her. But don't mess around with her livelihood

[QUOTE=FakeIt;3054137]I agree. In places like that you have to know that the girls have a turf system of who stands and sits where. It can get pretty brutal between them and the hierarchy of prime spots is probably controlled like a mafia. Second, these girls stand there for hours on end day after day, some don't have an option to sit. And lastly, some girls have regular spots where their customers know where to find them, if they relocate they might miss a trick. If a girl asks for your spot just move aside and wish her luck. [/QUOTE]Are you being serious right now? If a person was a chick's regular customer, you do not think they would have each other's contact, so neither would have to go to the bar? It is a public bar. The girls do not own it or any particular position inside of it. And even if he had to look for the girl inside of the bar, you think the place is so big that he would not be able to find her if she was not in one particular place? What if he came while the chick was in the toilet and did not see her? So now chicks have to wear diapers so they will not have to go to the toilet because they might miss a trick? I am one damn person who takes up the space of one person. You guys act like I came in and the whole place got out of whack because I sat down in a [B]vacant[/B] seat. So if they do not have the option to sit that means that paying customers should not sit either? Why would the owner not just remove the tables and chairs if people are not supposed to use them? And might I add that nobody who actually works there said I should not sit there, only a random hooker who once again not so much as bought 1 drink.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3054158]Are you being serious right now? [/QUOTE]Yes. Be kind to the women. It's not that complicated, friend. Therme or any other club for that matter. I've been asked for my seat in other clubs. in other countries, all over the place. other women are watching as well btw. quick way to be labeled as an undesirable is to bully a girl out of a seat.... anyway I apologize to the readers for taking up space on basic club etiquette. its just that people wonder why they get hit with a surcharge by the girls or get the cold shoulder, or are outright denied entry. its behaviour like this....

[QUOTE=FakeIt;3054178]Yes. Be kind to the women. It's not that complicated, friend. Therme or any other club for that matter. I've been asked for my seat in other clubs. in other countries, all over the place. other women are watching as well btw. quick way to be labeled as an undesirable is to bully a girl out of a seat.... anyway I apologize to the readers for taking up space on basic club etiquette. its just that people wonder why they get hit with a surcharge by the girls or get the cold shoulder, or are outright denied entry. its behaviour like this....[/QUOTE]LOL. I have been living here 17 years and have never been hit with any surcharges, denied any entry, or given the cold shoulder for the godforsaken behavior of sitting down where nobody else was sitting.

And it looks like you misread the story. I was sitting down and the girl was standing up next to me. The girl was not intending to sit down. So nobody bullied anyone out of a seat.

[QUOTE=Nomeymom;3053861]Like the Wolf of Wall Street said. "I ain't f**king leaving".

You know that Wunderland middle floor Nana, are all the girls there Ladyboy's, they said they weren't but I heard some voice and all their feet are massive.

There's also a rainbow next to it, do you think its actually members or they just don't like certain clientelle.

Obviously Billboard IMO has the best tallent there, but I noticed not many girls working on Mondays etc.

Hmm. More to report. Also I think the staff there clocked I noticed they bar padded me, not happened since.[/QUOTE]Wunderland and Stars (I think) same owners. I almost fell for one. Some of them are lookers but the business model is just bad.

Have you discovered anything new in Nana or is Billboard your main spot?

[QUOTE=PgReal;3054237]On a completely different but related note, has anyone else noticed the girls giving money to one of the staff at closing time? He comes around with a box. So I guess they pay a sort of 'ground rent' for their pitch each night?[/QUOTE]When the ladies go in they pay their entrance fee I believe was 40 baht iirc to the the front desk guy I guess before the first table on the left. One of the ladies i took for the night told me. Not sure if they adding another fee at closing time but my guess is maybe they're asking for donations for one of the staff in hard times? No clue. I've stayed til the end on my visits last two years and never seen that. Could be something new this year I guess.

Just perusing the usual websites for Bangkok freelancers, and what most of them are asking for these days is kinda insane. We're talking close 150 bucks an hour and higher. Nothing against Thai chicks, but I mean come on. And the escort websites for Bangkok are the same high prices too. Service was kinda ok at best from my memory. Is it really worth the premium? Don't think so.

Nana and Cowboy with their inflated bar fines, and increased prices for ST and LT. Jeez, what's left?

The only real value for money now in Bangkok seems to be the massage joints. Welp, none of this really matters anyway, with World War 3 showing up soon, it's all for naught. But wait a Goddamn minute! If it's Armageddon, I should get my dick wet before I die!

Got to get me on a damn plane to Bangkok, and ASAP! Fuck, I hate this life. Being old sucks.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3054437]Just perusing the usual websites for Bangkok freelancers, and what most of them are asking for these days is kinda insane. We're talking close 150 bucks an hour and higher. Nothing against Thai chicks, but I mean come on. And the escort websites for Bangkok are the same high prices too. Service was kinda ok at best from my memory. Is it really worth the premium? Don't think so.

Nana and Cowboy with their inflated bar fines, and increased prices for ST and LT. Jeez, what's left?

The only real value for money now in Bangkok seems to be the massage joints. Welp, none of this really matters anyway, with World War 3 showing up soon, it's all for naught. But wait a Goddamn minute! If it's Armageddon, I should get my dick wet before I die!

Got to get me on a damn plane to Bangkok, and ASAP! Fuck, I hate this life. Being old sucks.[/QUOTE]Here is a quick answer. Between 1990 to 2020 Thai GDP per capita grew 384%. Adjusted for inflation that's still 138%. Over the same period income inequality fell from 65% in poverty to under 10% today. Unemployment is just over 1%. To put that into perspective, US unemployment is at 8%. Oh and BTW. Chinese tourists in Thailand spend an average of 6,400 Baht per day. Koreans 6,200, Indians 5,500 and Americans 4,500.

All publicly available data to explain why so expensive.

How does that song go. Video killed the Radio star. In my mind and in my car. We can't go back, we've gone too far.

A great decade the 80's. I miss MTV.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;3054516]Chinese tourists in Thailand spend an average of 6,400 Baht per day. Koreans 6,200, Indians 5,500 and Americans 4,500.[/QUOTE]I find this interesting. There are so many beautiful/expensive hotels and a lot of low budget backpackers, I could not have guessed average spends per day. Can you provide a reference, I'd like to see their methodology for calculating those numbers.

Credit card charges.
ATM draws.
Exchange kiosk transactions.
Days in kingdom based on passport.

Today there is too much geek in me. Time to go out and get laid.

Oh and BTW. Chinese tourists in Thailand spend an average of 6,400 Baht per day. Koreans 6,200, Indians 5,500 and Americans 4,500.

I really think this is BS. And if it came close to reality the see's are spending lots on there own Chinese guides, etc. Do you not see the see's sneaking multiple people into one room and only booking for one. Or the I's "picnicking" on the beaches?? Really classy. And are hobbying? I can see the russkies spending big.

Am planning two days in Bangkok and would love to try Fin69 after reading your reports. You mentioned 3500 for VIP room. Does that include everything (Nuru, BBBJ, FS except the defined extras like CIM, CIP, BBFS) or do the girls still expect a tip in the room? Are there other options besides the VIP room (cheaper) and would choosing them compromise the service?

Do the girls DFK?

How many shots are you allowed? I always worry about shooting my load quickly and then curtains. Does the massage continue after I finish allowing me to continue the fondling, pussy touching etc.

Any inputs would be appreciated. Thanks mate.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3054539]I find this interesting. There are so many beautiful/expensive hotels and a lot of low budget backpackers, I could not have guessed average spends per day. Can you provide a reference, I'd like to see their methodology for calculating those numbers.[/QUOTE]I can. Because those people travel in big groups. And a lot of places that cater to their demographic will have higher prices. Like in Pattaya the Indian clubs charge more for drinks than other clubs. There are also huge massage shops that cater to Chinese who come by the busloads. The prices at those places are double what I as an American would pay at a smaller massage shop around Soi Buakhao. They go to the sex shows and the ladybody shows and the ripoff floating market, when Westerners just sit around and drink beer. So I can see people who are doing the big group thing spending more at establishments than westerners. I do not think hookers are included in those numbers though. But they could be. Remember Indians go to the saopies by the busload. That is 3000 a pop. I never see any westerners in the Pattaya soapies when I take my friends.

Boots on the ground now, first time in The Kingdom. Instead of boring play by play. I will give you bullets.

* Landed Friday at noon, Nan's Lady Taxi picked me up, took me to Nana Plaza area. 800 baht. Yes, more, but she was waiting for me. Worth it.

* After check in, needed attention. I had been traveling for 20+ hours, just needed a BJ.

* Kasalong fulfilled this issue.

* I was fading at 3 pm. Went to Nana Plaza bar area, got my legs back. Walked back to my hotel, picked up a FL, 1200 THB, did everything I could to finish again, done.

* Went. To Chatuchak market. A swap meet on steroids. Oh yeah, it's 100 degrees here.

* Went to Soi Cowboy with the intention of no sex, just drinks.

* met someone at Suzy Wong's. To borrow from at TomJackin "my favorite quotes", Jesus toe-tapping Christ. Of Course I will go up with you.

* Well, on a Saturday night, bar fine 1200 THB, girl 2000 (she wanted 3000) and a 450 THB room charge. I will never pay this again, but the service was amazing.

* Went to HunnyBunny on Suk 33 on Sunday. Great Nuru, sex meeh. Very strict.

* Sunday night, went to Muey Thai Fights at Rajadamern Stadium. Best night in BKK.

* Today, Sunday 3/2/2026, went to DaisyDream.

* you can't miss this place.

* while the Nuru isn't as good as HB, every thing else checks the boxes.

* For all the pot belly older dudes here, I want to just tip my hat to you and say, see you soon.

I'm on to Cambodia next.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3054193]LOL. I have been living here 17 years and have never been hit with any surcharges, denied any entry, or given the cold shoulder for the godforsaken behavior of sitting down where nobody else was sitting.

And it looks like you misread the story. I was sitting down and the girl was standing up next to me. The girl was not intending to sit down. So nobody bullied anyone out of a seat.[/QUOTE]The girls will happily give a seat to a polite gentleman, and the staff will find a place if you are ordering the actually decent food.

[QUOTE=PdSuave;3054807]Boots on the ground now, first time in The Kingdom. Instead of boring play by play. I will give you bullets.

* Landed Friday at noon, Nan's Lady Taxi picked me up, took me to Nana Plaza area. 800 baht. Yes, more, but she was waiting for me. Worth it.

* After check in, needed attention. I had been traveling for 20+ hours, just needed a BJ.

* Kasalong fulfilled this issue.

* I was fading at 3 pm. Went to Nana Plaza bar area, got my legs back. Walked back to my hotel, picked up a FL, 1200 THB, did everything I could to finish again, done.

* Went. To Chatuchak market. A swap meet on steroids. Oh yeah, it's 100 degrees here..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. 3 days was enough?

Be good to hear your Cambodia report too. I am off to both places in may.

[QUOTE=PdSuave;3054807]Boots on the ground now, first time in The Kingdom. Instead of boring play by play. I will give you bullets.

* Landed Friday at noon, Nan's Lady Taxi picked me up, took me to Nana Plaza area. 800 baht. Yes, more, but she was waiting for me. Worth it.

* After check in, needed attention. I had been traveling for 20+ hours, just needed a BJ..[/QUOTE]

Was back in Bangkok in mid February, after being there in mid Jan 2026. As with the Jan trip, I again hit Nana, Soi Cowboy and the free lancers at Thermae. As in Jan, I continued to find gems at all three places, just have to do a little leg work and keep your eyes open. Stayed at the Hilton Pleonchit Doubletree, S15 Sukhumvit, and the Hilton Grande Asoke while in BKK.

Nana Plaza. I visited Geisha, some of the Rainbow clubs, Billboards, Butterflies, Angel witch, On top and one or two others. Bar fine seemed to be 1000 be with ST at 4,000 be. Beers were about 150-160 be for Chang / Singha. Pulled some hotties from a different club each night and had a great time with each of them. Taking one attractive young spinner back to Doubletree, a security guard saw us in the lobby and gave me the thumbs up. He also must have liked what he was seeing.

Soi Cowoby. Stopped by Tilac, Bacarra, Cowboy two and the Rainbow / Heaven bar there (cannot recall exact name. Was only bar there that I did not like as very aggressive on pushing drinks and girls. Although the quality of the girls there was low and few customers there). Bar fines were 1,000 be and girls asked for 3,000 be for ST. Made sure to avoid the rip off "arab" bars. Rio, Deja Vu, Midnight, etc. So annoying that while these all seem to have the best looking girls standing outside of them, they are dead inside and the girls are super aggressive in trying to get guys to come inside. Avoid these places at all costs, unless you want to spend a lot for lady drinks but with no chance of any bar fine / ST or LT fun. These places kind of kill some of the vib at soi cowboy. Having said that, gems can be found at the other clubs. I pulled an attractive spinner from Bacarra rocking the kawaii / anime style named tinkerbell and took her back to the Hilton Grand Asoke. While walking to the elevator with her, a very drunk Aussie yelled out - "You get to have sex with her?? She is beautiful. " I tried not to laugh as Tinkerbell and I got into the elevator, and the gals working the front desk briefly looked up and then went back to their regular duties. No issues with bringing gals back there. And yes she was beautiful and the sex was great.

Thermae. Saw many of the same gals, standing in the same places, as when I was there in January. It is a nice change of pace from the gogo bar scene. See my 02-05-2026 post for suggestions on improving one's experience at Thermae.

Because I have never been to a Nuru massage place, I did look into them while in BKK on this trip. There are a lot in the Sukhumvit area. Ended up not trying any of them as was getting good enough workouts with the gogo bar girls I was pulling each night. I plan on a repeat BKK trip in May, based on fun I had in Jan and Feb, and may try and sample some then. My only concern is the limited choice / options at each place. If I am not feeling it at one of the Nana or Cowboy gogos, I just move on to the next one until I see something that I particularly fancy.

I did come up with a fun game for the gals. As we got to the hotel, I would give them the key and tell them that they would have to take me to their room (room number XYZ at the hotel). At first they would be a little confused, and I would say to them that room XZY was their room, not my room, and that they had to take me to this room. Their room, that I was coming back with them for short time. Each one of them thought this was funny and they all enjoyed pushing the elevator buttons, finding the room on the hotel floor and opening up the door. One or two even pretended to be "very tired" and saying they had to sleep and jokingly tried to close the room door on me. However, once we were in the room they all laughed, grabbed me and gave me a huge kiss. Was a great way to have a little fun before the real fun began. It certainly put all of them in a good mood. Looking forward to my return visit in May.

Hi everyone,

Due to the unfortunate situation in the Middle East, I'll be traveling through Bangkok and have a 20-hour layover starting from 8 AM. I'm Indian and this will be my first time in Bangkok.

I'll definitely go through the forum, but with limited time before my trip, I'm not sure I'll be able to gather all the key information. I'd really appreciate it if anyone could kindly guide me on how best to make use of my layover — areas to stay around, things to do during the day, and any tips for a first-timer.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Arrived in town last night, went to Thermae hoping to catch some past paramours (3 specifically, last year's was semi expensive but amazing).

But found the place closed. Was told something about "drinking" , which I figured out was not appropriately renewing and or bribing the people responsible for the liquor license.

Went back tonight, still closed. Hope it re opens before my week stay runs out.

Tons of trans women around though, if that's your thing.

Am not an expert, but here is my two cents.

Stay in Sukhumvit. Hit Fin69 for Nuru or Annie's or Tulip for soapy and go bar hopping in the evening.

[QUOTE=RahulMistry;3054963]Hi everyone,

Due to the unfortunate situation in the Middle East, I'll be traveling through Bangkok and have a 20-hour layover starting from 8 AM. I'm Indian and this will be my first time in Bangkok.

I'll definitely go through the forum, but with limited time before my trip, I'm not sure I'll be able to gather all the key information. I'd really appreciate it if anyone could kindly guide me on how best to make use of my layover areas to stay around, things to do during the day, and any tips for a first-timer.

Thanks in advance for your help![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RahulMistry;3054963]Hi everyone,

Due to the unfortunate situation in the Middle East, I'll be traveling through Bangkok and have a 20-hour layover starting from 8 AM. I'm Indian and this will be my first time in Bangkok.

I'll definitely go through the forum, but with limited time before my trip, I'm not sure I'll be able to gather all the key information. I'd really appreciate it if anyone could kindly guide me on how best to make use of my layover areas to stay around, things to do during the day, and any tips for a first-timer.

Thanks in advance for your help![/QUOTE]If this is your first time in Bangkok, there are a lot of things to see and do during your layover. I would suggest that you book an English speaking guide included with a private car. A bit pricey, but a good investment in my opinion. The link below is representative of options. You can discuss your specific interests with the guide / driver upon arrival; I'm sure some variance with listed venues and time can be made and perhaps the number of hours also. You should plan on 1 hour upon arrival and 2 hours before departure spent at the airport clearing immigration upon arrival and checking in for departure. An alternative might be to book a hotel that has a tour desk, so you can get a bit of sleep during your short stay. [URL]https://www.pelago.com/en-US/activity/p2x2oe9rh-bangkok-airport-layover-special-touch-of-thailand-8-hours-transit-tour-bangkok/[/URL] This tour provided is associated with Singapore Airlines, so I would guess that it is legit. Picks you up and brings you back to the airport.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Catire;3054991]Arrived in town last night, went to Thermae hoping to catch some past paramours (3 specifically, last year's was semi expensive but amazing).

But found the place closed. Was told something about "drinking" , which I figured out was not appropriately renewing and or bribing the people responsible for the liquor license.

Went back tonight, still closed. Hope it re opens before my week stay runs out.

Tons of trans women around though, if that's your thing.[/QUOTE]Tuesday was Makha Bucha Day a Buddhist holiday with 24 hour alcohol sales ban. All bars were closed.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3055026]Tuesday was Makha Bucha Day a Buddhist holiday with 24 hour alcohol sales ban. All bars were closed.[/QUOTE]Some months ago the law was changed so that bars in tourist areas in Pattaya could still do business on religious holidays. They did not do the same in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3055026]Tuesday was Makha Bucha Day a Buddhist holiday with 24 hour alcohol sales ban. All bars were closed.[/QUOTE]That would not quite explain Monday night when I'm quite sure the Nana Soi 4 bars were open, but I guess we will know tonight for suire.

[QUOTE=PuneRomper;3055023]Am not an expert, but here is my two cents.

Stay in Sukhumvit. Hit Fin69 for Nuru or Annie's or Tulip for soapy and go bar hopping in the evening.[/QUOTE]Actually if it was my first time in Bangkok and I had studied the situation, I would play the 20 hour layover as follows:

1. Stash my bag.

2, ARL to Makkasan.

3. MRT to Sala Daeng.

4. BTS to Saphan Kwaii.

5. Hop on hop off boat gets you to what Arun, Grand Palace, Icon Siam, go explore.

6. I've killed till about 5 pm for you. Now go get a super nice dinner. Take a Bolt.

7. Head over to Nana at 8 ish.

8. Bar Fine.

9. Head to airport at 11 pm. I would use a Bolt.

Why would you waste a whole day in BKK chasing pussy? Ya only need an hour or two.

Just walked by. WIll pop inside for an "official" inspection a little later.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3055031]Some months ago the law was changed so that bars in tourist areas in Pattaya could still do business on religious holidays. They did not do the same in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]In Bangkpk only Hotels were exempt as far as I now. No bars in Nana or Cowboy and no bars on Soi 4 were open.

Actually Houston Player is correct. Last night. , Nana was dark. Ergo closed.

Everything open today (not sure why Thermae was closed 2 nights ago though.

Inside of Thermae wasn't great. A lot of past their sell date models. Everyone looking bored. Even the usual cadre of very snobby lookers was mostly nowhere to be found. In fairness, I went around 12:30 but they've been there before on past trips, though this one is a little later in the season, and one can very much tell that high season is either over or winding down. Maybe they went back to Isan flush with their earnings but it's a one time sample. I'll stop there several times before my week is over.

Coming to Bangkok soon it's my first time been to Pattaya before. Can someone please tell me if the hotel charges you a guest fee? Will be there during Sonkrang festival staying at Shangri-La because I have points. I don't live in India and I'm Asian so it will be interesting to see how things are there, when I was at Pattaya last year just had one issue of entry at XS but that was resolved quickly. As I said never been to Bangkok so would appreciate some tips as to current prices. Looking forward to going to Nana Plaza Gogo clubs. Thanks in advance for the advice.

[QUOTE=SatoSan;3056018]Coming to Bangkok soon it's my first time been to Pattaya before. Can someone please tell me if the hotel charges you a guest fee? Will be there during Sonkrang festival staying at Shangri-La because I have points. I don't live in India and I'm Asian so it will be interesting to see how things are there, when I was at Pattaya last year just had one issue of entry at XS but that was resolved quickly. As I said never been to Bangkok so would appreciate some tips as to current prices. Looking forward to going to Nana Plaza Gogo clubs. Thanks in advance for the advice.[/QUOTE]There is a section here on hotels.

[QUOTE=Catire;3055136]Actually Houston Player is correct. Last night. , Nana was dark. Ergo closed.

Everything open today (not sure why Thermae was closed 2 nights ago though.

Inside of Thermae wasn't great. A lot of past their sell date models. Everyone looking bored. Even the usual cadre of very snobby lookers was mostly nowhere to be found. In fairness, I went around 12:30 but they've been there before on past trips, though this one is a little later in the season, and one can very much tell that high season is either over or winding down. Maybe they went back to Isan flush with their earnings but it's a one time sample. I'll stop there several times before my week is over.[/QUOTE]Not sure if my info is correct, but a guy who used to regularly pick up chicks has gone to thaifriendly.

According to him, the Problem with thermae is that they kinda made an understanding to not charge below 3 k for one hour and 5 k for 2 hours.

This combined with them agreeing to certain services before hands and then not doing it when they are in the room with us. So, there are less men taking them even though there can be a crowd. They just buy the drink at the entrance, walk around them and leave. Gogo bars have better looking girls and charge more or less the same and they provide better services most of the time.

[QUOTE=SatoSan;3056018]Will be there during Sonkrang festival staying at Shangri-La because I have points.[/QUOTE]The Shangri-La is quite far from the action. Better choose another hotel.

Anyone know any girls in BKK who are open to subbing in a light bondage session? Nothing too hardcore. I just want to handcuff a spinner to the bed while I fuck her! If you know a MP that provides those kinds of services, or have the line ID of a freelancer you don't mind sharing on DM, you will have my appreciation.

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[QUOTE=Mogwai;3056109]The Shangri-La is quite far from the action. Better choose another hotel.[/QUOTE]I agree with Magwai, but that hotel is a short walk to a BTS station and one easy transfer to Nana. I stayed in that area for several days about 3 years ago. I was quickly bored. Fortunately, I found a nearby massage shop that provided CIP, still had another 23 hours per day to occupy.

BTS is not 24/7. I think closes about midnight.

Take any hotel at Sukhumvit between Soi 4 . And Soi 24.

Many options nearby including bar hoping, massage, can ask for a hotel visit etc etc, lots of options.

[QUOTE=RahulMistry;3054963]Hi everyone,

Due to the unfortunate situation in the Middle East, I'll be traveling through Bangkok and have a 20-hour layover starting from 8 AM. I'm Indian and this will be my first time in Bangkok.

I'll definitely go through the forum, but with limited time before my trip, I'm not sure I'll be able to gather all the key information. I'd really appreciate it if anyone could kindly guide me on how best to make use of my layover areas to stay around, things to do during the day, and any tips for a first-timer.

Thanks in advance for your help![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SatoSan;3056018]Coming to Bangkok soon it's my first time been to Pattaya before. Will be there during Sonkrang festival staying at Shangri-La because I have points.[/QUOTE]Exactly how new guys screw up. They insist on either using points or staying in a villa that is in bum fuck. Save your points for another destination.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3055077]Actually if it was my first time in Bangkok and I had studied the situation, I would play the 20 hour layover as follows:

1. Stash my bag.

2, ARL to Makkasan.

3. MRT to Sala Daeng.

4. BTS to Saphan Kwaii.

5. Hop on hop off boat gets you to what Arun, Grand Palace, Icon Siam, go explore.

6. I've killed till about 5 pm for you. Now go get a super nice dinner. Take a Bolt.

7. Head over to Nana at 8 ish.

8. Bar Fine.

9. Head to airport at 11 pm. I would use a Bolt.

Why would you waste a whole day in BKK chasing pussy? Ya only need an hour or two.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. If you want to start a bit earlier, you could go to La Belle (soapy massage) around 6 or 6:30, and then go to Nana around 8:30 (it's still a bit quiet at 8).

Finally got a chance to dabble in the Bangkok scene, went straight to Thermae. Not a great experience. Three of the five girls I asked took offense to asking for 2 pops and GFE for short time; one threw a fit and mumbled "2 time 6000"! Everyone of course wanted 3000 for short time and sounds like all the working girls has mutually agreed to not be a scab. I'd surmise only 25% of the girls were picked up during my 2 hours there looking at the rotation. They might want to reevaluate what they are offering in price and service. Caved in and took a girl's offer for 4000 long time with 700 room fee, 2 pops GFE.

Girl I took up on was passive-aggressive pushy and lazy in bed, wouldn't do anything but lay back and positioned for doggy. Half hearted BBBJ. Complained I took too long. I popped 2 under a hour and went my way.

I suppose I shouldn't label the entire scene from just one experience but: Fuck you Bangkok! I have never met so many unpleasant and lazy workers in one place before. A lot of 1st world country workers don't even make the equivalent of 4000 baht toiling 8 hours a day. I grew up poor asf working minimum wage jobs and still at least put effort into the work I do.

We had a few nights stopover in BKK after a week in Phnom Penh. Having been to BKK many times I tend these days to go directly to Nana Plaza bars and specifically Butterfly. My wingman was keen to grab a girl from there that he has been with a few times and I also had memories of a girl from my last trip. So we headed into the bar about 9 pm and the place was already packed. There was talent on the stage and I quickly spotted the girl I wanted. Decided with the sheer number punters that I needed to bring her down to drink with me and was I glad I did. My wingman spotted a girl was his type but wanted to wait to see if the other girl would show up. Was a mistake and I let him know to grab what is in front of him and not wait. Well he did not listen and waited. My girl was just what I liked. Perfect size body with great arse and lovely, firm real breasts. Not the prettiest girl on stage but still cute. My wingman waited way too long and by about 10.30 pm a fair number of the most attractive girls were gone. Lesson is to get to the bar early and not wait too long to grab a girl.

Decided to take my girl back for some fun and left my wingman to wonder around the other Nana bars. Back in the room the girl did not disappoint. Very affectionate with DFK, DATY, multiple positions and BBBJ. Worked really hard to get me to finish and I must admit that fucking her was pure heaven. Such a nice firm body and skin smooth as silk. She managed to complete the job and then spent some time together falling asleep. A few hours later I got a nudge from her saying that she wanted to go and I said fine. She then leant over and we began a DFK that resulted in another session. These days two pops a night are a distant memory but I did enjoy DATY and fucking her again. She left me in an exhausted state and with a smile on my face. WIR, absolutely.

BKK is very different to our tour of Phnom Penh. There are so many more punters and not as many SYT in bars. Cost for P2 P is much higher as well. Still, the chance to be with a SYT at my age is worth every cent. YMMV.

Happy Hunting.

Hey guys!

So I will be taking a long holiday with the family over the Bangkok and Bali for a few weeks until things calm down in Dubai.

I cannot go around nightclubs and I much prefer independent girls but I been wondering. Do girls host in apartments? Do they ask for ID in apartments like they do in Dubai? We have a few building that are well known for having WG and there is zero security.

Or they don't do that over there? Do they host in hotels?

If so what are the safe apartments or hotels that I can visit that are going to be discreet.

Please help as I am completely lost on this one.

Thank you.

First of all, I have been away from this forum for a long time. I am glad to give you guys some of my experience in Bangkok last month.

Hotel: I stayed at the Emporium Suites for 3 days and 3 nights. It was about $167/ night. It was a nice hotel. I will probably stay there again in the future. It's a little far away from Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, but it wasn't terrible. It's a guest-friendly hotel. If you know you have a guest staying overnight, they will ask your guest to leave their ID.

Thermae Cafe: I went there 2 nights in a row. I started early, around 10 PM or so. It was packed with girls, and they are above average looking, except for a few. There were about 100 girls in the Cafe easy. There is no cover fee, but you need to buy a drink. I bought a beer which cost 140 baht (4.25). I walked around and picked out a girl ( 25 years old) from the line up. She quoted 3 K baht / hour and 6 K baht for 2 hours. I know I didn't have a lot of time, so I didn't negotiate and opted for 3 K baht for the hour. We took a Grab Taxi back to the hotel. Since she stayed only for 1 hour, I just recklessly took her to the room without checking in with the receptionist. Nothing went wrong, but I don't recommend this. When we got to my room, the girl asked for the money up front, so I gave her the money. She went straight to the bathroom for a good 10 minutes. I had no idea what was going on, but eventually, she came out fully naked and had a condom in her hand. She asked if I wanted a massage; I took the offer. The massage wasn't anything spectacular, but it was better than nothing. After about 15 minutes, I turned over, and she started CBJ. It was one of the best CBJ I had in years. She then rode me on top for another 10 minutes, then I finished with the doggie. Her pussy was tight, and I could feel every single stroke. It was an awesome experience. Since I didn't negotiate the price, I didn't give her any tips. Before she left, she asked if I wanted to have a 3 some with her and her friend the next night for 6 K baht per hour. This time, I negotiated. I wanted 10 K per 2 hours. She called her friend right away, and we agreed to meet the next night. Long story short, we didn't meet the next night. I changed my mind. I went back to the Cafe and picked out another girl for the same deal and somewhat the same experience.

[URL]ExoticMassageBangkok.com[/URL]: I used this service during the day. First of all, the price is high and the pictures of all of these girls are NOT accurate at all. I use this for the convenience of it. I didn't want to go out of my hotel room, so I ordered in. I wanted to see either Angie or Nid, but they were not available. They sent me someone else. Again, I saw the pictures of that girl, but when she showed up, she was about 10 kg heavier. It cost me 5 K baht for 3 hours. She gave me a mediocre massage. After about 20 minutes, she gave me a BBBJ. I took over to the couch and asked her to ride me RCG for about 20 minutes until I finished. I made the girl work hard for her money. She was sweating. We had some drinks and talked for an hour before we headed over the couch for the second round. This time, I fucked her month for a few minutes, and finished with doggie style.

Be safe out there guys!

FS.

[QUOTE=ItalianCock;3056530]Hey guys!

So I will be taking a long holiday with the family over the Bangkok and Bali for a few weeks until things calm down in Dubai.

I cannot go around nightclubs and I much prefer independent girls but I been wondering. Do girls host in apartments? Do they ask for ID in apartments like they do in Dubai? We have a few building that are well known for having WG and there is zero security.

Or they don't do that over there? Do they host in hotels?

If so what are the safe apartments or hotels that I can visit that are going to be discreet.

Please help as I am completely lost on this one.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Internet girls use apartments or hotels, short time hotels are everywhere for street and bar services. There is some excellent research here on escort and internet services, feel free to RTFF.

Is Khaoson Road a good place for freelancers? It sees to have plenty of food and bars.

[QUOTE=Canada;3056695]Is Khaoson Road a good place for freelancers? It sees to have plenty of food and bars.[/QUOTE]Quick answer is no. It's mainly a hangout for gap-year backpackers, which is who the food and bars are catering to.

Just a quick Field Report on Thermae, Sunday night around 10:30 pm. I hit Thermae once every 3-4 weeks just to see if lightning might strike and I meet a lady who will agree to have Real Sex / DFK, DATY, BBBJ and BBFSCIP with me or give me a BBBJCIM for anywhere from 2,500 to 3,500 baht. I am prepared to go higher than 3,500 baht for Real Sex with a notably above average looker if the chemistry feels right. I am Caucasian, fairly fit for my age I think, in my early 70's but possibly look younger, can struggle through very basic Thai language.

The place was packed with many above average lookers, some way above average. I cruised around the bar in the customer river and was getting lots of very enthusiastic welcoming smiles from most of the ladies, including the above and way above average lookers. Then I stopped in the middle area of the bar for a few minutes to assess the scene and carefully choose the most likely prospects for me, meaning the ones who really seemed most happily responsive to my smile to them combined with their attractiveness.

Then my second time around the river I stopped to chat with 3 different ladies, each in different areas of the room, each having thrown me huge welcoming smiles both times I passed near them. They each did indeed seem very happy that I stopped to meet them, spoke some English, immediately asked my name, told me their name, asked how I was doing tonight, where you from, the usual. Chemistry seemed more than fine with each.

For months now my approach has been to only ask Thermae girls if they are willing to give me a BBBJCIM. I never mention Real Sex upfront or any elements of it as I mentioned above except for the BBBJ part. And with the addition of CIM. I am ok to Go With The Flow for anything more than that in the room and am fine if that is all I get for my 2,500 - 3,000 baht.

Girl #1: No, I will not do BJ, I never do that.

Girl #2: No, I will not do BJ unless you wear a condom.

Girl #3: No, I will not do anything with you. I must leave in 10 minutes.

Actually, Girl #3 didn't even last long enough to hear about a BJ. About 20 seconds in she just said No to anything. And she was the most enthusiastically smiley and welcoming of the 3, maybe of the whole room.

One other note; Those refusals came within 45 seconds and before any money amount was mentioned by either of us. So as far as these girls knew I might have been prepared to offer 5,000 - 10,000 baht for that 10 minute BJ. LOL.

After being so quickly and roundly refused by 3 different visibly smiley and welcoming ladies in 3 different areas of the room, it had to have been obvious to everyone on all around that I must be asking these poor souls to do something so horrible for me that no sane lady could possibly say Yes to it for any amount of money.

So I took very enthusiastic Girl #3's refusal as a sign it was a good time for me to leave Thermae for the night. Until next month. Maybe.

Again, this was just a brief FR on my experience at Thermae last night and it is specifically about my experience inside Thermae last night, not about any real females I met outside Thermae last night. Which is another story for another time.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3056748]Girl #1: No, I will not do BJ, I never do that[/QUOTE]CBJ is a minimum at Thermae. Lost in translation with the girl saying she won't do BBBJ?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3056748]Actually, Girl #3 didn't even last long enough to hear about a BJ. About 20 seconds in she just said No to anything. And she was the most enthusiastically smiley and welcoming of the 3, maybe of the whole room.[/QUOTE]I'm guess Girl 3 (or one of her friends) saw you talk to one or both of the other girls before her, being shot down. You know how Thai girls get hurt when they're not first choice.

Were these all new faces? Tough outing at Thermae. You did the right thing leaving when you did. Can go there any other night.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3056831]CBJ is a minimum at Thermae. Lost in translation with the girl saying she won't do BBBJ?

I'm guess Girl 3 (or one of her friends) saw you talk to one or both of the other girls before her, being shot down. You know how Thai girls get hurt when they're not first choice.

Were these all new faces? Tough outing at Thermae. You did the right thing leaving when you did. Can go there any other night.[/QUOTE]Girl #1 might have been fine with CBJ, as was Girl #2. But I didn't ask her about a CBJ. It is not within the realm of possibility that I would accept a CBJ even for free. I only asked her about a CIM finish BJ. She also didn't counter with the offer of a CBJ, if that really is the agreed upon minimum with those girls. Nor did she quote 100,000 baht as her fee to give me a BBBJCIM. She spoke English fairly well during the minute or two we chatted.

I agree with you regarding some girls' feeling about not being first choice. In this particular case, each girl was facing a different direction; one was standing in front of the center bar facing in the direction of the left side line-up as you enter, one was standing at the back of the center bar area facing the direction of the tables and one was standing at the last right turn of the center bar as you approach the exit door and outside steps.

Two were new faces to me. Only stopping in once every few weeks I can't say I recognized two of them. But Girl #3 was hot enough for me for me to remember having seen her before. I remember her very welcoming smile at me from once before.

It was only 3 total shot downs in a row for a BBBJCIM from some Freelancers for a not yet spoken amount of money. That is not all that uncommon for me in my experience, whether in Thermae or elsewhere. I could probably rack up 6 of those in a row on any given night with the Vietnamese girls in front of Maison Hotel Soi 4. LOL.

But I thought it was worth reporting here in case another couple of members chime in with a similar recent experience. Then we might have evidence of a Thermae trend happening where the possibility that the Thermae Girl Handbook for what they will and won't do and for how much has been updated for the worse becomes disturbingly real.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3056748]Just a quick Field Report on Thermae, Sunday night around 10:30 pm. I hit Thermae once every 3-4 weeks just to see if lightning might strike and I meet a lady who will agree to have Real Sex / DFK, DATY, BBBJ and BBFSCIP with me or give me a BBBJCIM for anywhere from [b]2,500 to 3,500 baht[/b]. I am prepared to go higher than 3,500 baht for Real Sex with a notably above average looker if the chemistry feels right. I am Caucasian, fairly fit for my age I think, in my early 70's but possibly look younger, can struggle through very basic Thai language.
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After being so quickly and roundly refused by 3 different visibly smiley and welcoming ladies in 3 different areas of the room, it had to have been obvious to everyone on all around that I must be asking these poor souls to do something so horrible for me that no sane lady could possibly say Yes to it for any amount of money. So I took very enthusiastic Girl #3's refusal as a sign it was a good time for me to leave Thermae for the night. Until next month. Maybe.[/QUOTE]This is a really rough result given that you are willing to pay fairly. As you have rightly said before, Thermae is THE freelancer spot if you are looking for one-and-done sex in the bag in the 2500 bhat range. OTOH, negotiating for BBBJCIM or BBFS girlfriend sex (as some of us define it) is just too much of a slog. On top of this I screen out baby mamas, which scratches out quite a few of the Thermae providers, so just not worth the trawl. By the way, how do you explain to the girls you want BBBJ [B]CIM[/B]? BBBJCIM is not a mainstream ask, whereas asking for BBFS is easy to say "don't want bag" via translate.

Lately I am finding Thai Friendly much more conducive to my needs. I am able to screen for superficial looks (face, weight, height) and get those who are freelancers immediately onto WhatsApp or LINE for the essential secondary screening (no baby, price, no condom). Most recently I had a 20 yo 41 kg no baby cutie with braces meet up at diPlace to take a healthy sperm donation in her tight litte love box. Yes, she asked for 3000 bhat, to which I replied I would pay her 2500 bhat plus 500 bhat if she did a good job (which I define minimum as me releasing my load inside). She gets what she wants, and I have her motivated to keep to the deal with no need to further pay extra as my 500 bhat is already the tip. Even in the more challenging Bangkok pool, I am getting improving returns. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3056884]This is a really rough result given that you are willing to pay fairly. As you have rightly said before, Thermae is THE freelancer spot if you are looking for one-and-done sex in the bag in the 2500 bhat range. OTOH, negotiating for BBBJCIM or BBFS girlfriend sex (as some of us define it) is just too much of a slog. On top of this I screen out baby mamas, which scratches out quite a few of the Thermae providers, so just not worth the trawl. By the way, how do you explain to the girls you want BBBJ [B]CIM[/B]? BBBJCIM is not a mainstream ask, whereas asking for BBFS is easy to say "don't want bag" via translate.

Lately I am finding Thai Friendly much more conducive to my needs. I am able to screen for superficial looks (face, weight, height) and get those who are freelancers immediately onto WhatsApp or LINE for the essential secondary screening (no baby, price, no condom). Most recently I had a 20 yo 41 kg no baby cutie with braces meet up at diPlace to take a healthy sperm donation in her tight litte love box. Yes, she asked for 3000 bhat, to which I replied I would pay her 2500 bhat plus 500 bhat if she did a good job (which I define minimum as me releasing my load inside). She gets what she wants, and I have her motivated to keep to the deal with no need to further pay extra as my 500 bhat is already the tip. Even in the more challenging Bangkok pool, I am getting improving returns. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]On this night the girls I approached happened to speak English well enough to understand our pleasant and amusing brief small talk chat right up to when we got to the point and I whispered "blowjob, cum inside mouth ok mai? I am sure the first two ladies clearly knew that meant BBBJCIM, not a HJ, not COB, COF or CumAnywhere Else in or outside the room. And even if the first one didn't understand the CIM part she did not counter with any version of a CBJ, as the 2nd one did, or agree to a BJ at all even if on a misunderstanding that I meant a CBJ.

The 3rd very smiley and welcoming girl was out so fast on her "I can't go with you, I must leave in 10 minutes" response I don't know how far back in horror she might have recoiled at the thought of giving me a BJ, BareBack or Covered.

At other times, when I suspect a P4 P girl is not fluent in English enough to understand what I whisper in her ear about a blowjob with a finish inside her mouth, I have typed out something to show her on Google Translate using the actual term fellatio. And I reverse translate it for me to read in order to confirm it is saying pretty much what I want it to say.

See the screenshots below for an example of the English to Thai translation and the reverse translation of it from Thai to English that I am talking about:

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3056560]Internet girls use apartments or hotels, short time hotels are everywhere for street and bar services. There is some excellent research here on escort and internet services, feel free to RTFF.[/QUOTE]Thank you buds.

Will be flying out of Bangkok and wanted to buy and carry 2 packets of sildenafil with me, my final destination requires that I have a prescription for it??

Any recommended pharmacy with a pharmacist that can full my order and provide me with a prescription letter / note??

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3057007]Will be flying out of Bangkok and wanted to buy and carry 2 packets of sildenafil with me, my final destination requires that I have a prescription for it??

Any recommended pharmacy with a pharmacist that can full my order and provide me with a prescription letter / note??[/QUOTE]I believe that only doctors provide prescriptions and I have never seen a doctor working out of a pharmacy. So if you really need a scrip, easy advice is to go to Medconsult Clinic where Doctor Donna can both write you a prescription and dispense generic ED meds of your choice from thier in-house pharmacy. You can also use the WellMed Clinic as an alternative. Of course if you don't need a written script, then either Southeast Pharmacy or PS15 Pharmacy will dispense generics no questions asked. AR.

Was there last week. Kamaraj is available on the roadside. Guys selling the stuff off tables. Don't know pricing and authenticity. You could check that.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3057007]Will be flying out of Bangkok and wanted to buy and carry 2 packets of sildenafil with me, my final destination requires that I have a prescription for it??

Any recommended pharmacy with a pharmacist that can full my order and provide me with a prescription letter / note??[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3057015]I believe that only doctors provide prescriptions and I have never seen a doctor working out of a pharmacy. So if you really need a scrip, easy advice is to go to Medconsult Clinic where Doctor Donna can both write you a prescription and dispense generic ED meds of your choice from thier in-house pharmacy. You can also use the WellMed Clinic as an alternative. Of course if you don't need a written script, then either Southeast Pharmacy or PS15 Pharmacy will dispense generics no questions asked. AR.[/QUOTE]Traveling to Yangon, Myanmar and just to be safe want to have prescription for any meds I'm carrying.

Thanks, will use WellMed on my 20 hour layover in BKK.

(I am likely to be beaten up by the experts. So apologies upfront. I am a serious expert at Brazil, so ask me anything and I will share).

First time to Bangkok. Will have 2 days with me. Will be staying in the center in Hilton or Marriott chains.

I like to go to a "NICE" luxury place, where I can see 30-50 women in the fishbowl environment. Pick some one and go enjoy for 1-2 hours, come back, dine, drink and again do it. What is a nicest places here. I read tons and tons on the soapy bar. I am not a big fan of spending a lot of time in the water or nuru massage etc. , I like to pick some one and spend 1-1.5 hours with passionate action. And try to repeat it at least 3 times in a day.

The website has all kinds of place and my research is never-ending. So can you suggest the top places. (I don't prefer website, incall etc, I like to go to a place see, pick have fun and repeat).

Thank you in advance (yes, I have gone thru several links for several hours and still don't have a good game plan).

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3057359](I am likely to be beaten up by the experts. So apologies upfront. I am a serious expert at Brazil, so ask me anything and I will share).

First time to Bangkok. Will have 2 days with me. Will be staying in the center in Hilton or Marriott chains.

I like to go to a "NICE" luxury place, where I can see 30-50 women in the fishbowl environment. Pick some one and go enjoy for 1-2 hours, come back, dine, drink and again do it. What is a nicest places here. I read tons and tons on the soapy bar. I am not a big fan of spending a lot of time in the water or nuru massage etc. , I like to pick some one and spend 1-1.5 hours with passionate action. And try to repeat it at least 3 times in a day.

The website has all kinds of place and my research is never-ending. So can you suggest the top places. (I don't prefer website, incall etc, I like to go to a place see, pick have fun and repeat).

Thank you in advance (yes, I have gone thru several links for several hours and still don't have a good game plan).[/QUOTE]Try La Belle or Poseidon. Pimp club. Although some of these so called 'high end soapies' have removed the fish bowls in recent years in place for a more 'lounge style' environment, so check their websites to not be disappointed.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3057359](I am likely to be beaten up by the experts. So apologies upfront. I am a serious expert at Brazil, so ask me anything and I will share).

First time to Bangkok. Will have 2 days with me. Will be staying in the center in Hilton or Marriott chains.

I like to go to a "NICE" luxury place, where I can see 30-50 women in the fishbowl environment. Pick some one and go enjoy for 1-2 hours, come back, dine, drink and again do it. What is a nicest places here. I read tons and tons on the soapy bar. I am not a big fan of spending a lot of time in the water or nuru massage etc. , I like to pick some one and spend 1-1.5 hours with passionate action. And try to repeat it at least 3 times in a day.

The website has all kinds of place and my research is never-ending..[/QUOTE]Try FKK Sharks in Frankfurt. Otherwise search here with the term "soapy".

Poseidon is in Hyay Kwang New China Town area, about 20 Km North of Suhkumvit, a very long Uber ride in heavy traffic. It's in a large building with a nice, clean, large, brightly-lit lounge where 2 dozen girls hang out on couches, separated in 3 groups by services and prices. Client are seated at tables against the wall 50 feet away from the girls. You can see shapes, sizes, general indications if the girls are young or older, but not possible to clearly see facial or body features.

You can order drinks, 50-baht beers, while ogling girls and discussing deals with the manager. 3 groups of girls provide different levels of services, from 3,000 to 5,000 Bahts, but were not clearly explained to me in details. I was unsure of the different levels of services, so pointed at a slim girl, offered 2,000 Bahts and the manager just walked off. Looks like they have a non negotiable price list. I finished my cold beer then walked out. Overall it's a nice, clean, classy venue compared to other soapies near Sukhumvit.

I walked out to the lobby, booked a Fiwfans spinner in hotel Watana right around the corner and just walked over. Lots of Fiwfans girls work in this area. She turned out a nice, clean, sweet, beautiful spinner who gave me an excellent session with mutual shower, DFKs, BBBJ and cover FS, pampered me lovingly like a baby, all for 900 Bahts and convinced me of the good selection and values of Fiwfans. Of course I gave this sweet girl a good tip. I later booked a dozen other Fiwfans girls spread out all over Bangkok, all looked and felt more real, beautiful, personal and sensuous than any bar or soapie girls.

After Fiwfans got busted in 2025, Telegram groups keep sending dozen girls profiles to me daily. There may be more fake pics and baits and switches now compared to the original Fiwfans site, so YMMV.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3057007]Will be flying out of Bangkok and wanted to buy and carry 2 packets of sildenafil with me, my final destination requires that I have a prescription for it??

Any recommended pharmacy with a pharmacist that can full my order and provide me with a prescription letter / note??[/QUOTE]You can go to any pharmacy in Bangkok and get some sildenafil. It's called sidegra, it's sildeafil made in Thailand.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3057359]I like to go to a "NICE" luxury place, where I can see 30-50 women in the fishbowl environment. Pick some one and go enjoy for 1-2 hours, ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PgReal;3057409]Try La Belle or Poseidon. Pimp club. Although some of these so called 'high end soapies' have removed the fish bowls in recent years in place for a more 'lounge style' environment, so check their websites to not be disappointed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3057430]Try FKK Sharks in Frankfurt. Otherwise search here with the term "soapy".[/QUOTE]Some places that call themselves soapy massage are not even close to nice or luxury. For example, the facility at Annie's on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 looks disgusting and the staff out front are generally undoable. PgReal's recommendation of LaBelle or Poseidon may be more of what you are seeking.

Years ago there was a great place called "The Lord Palace", but I believe they have closed. A few years ago they would have several dozen beautiful options and prices for a 90-minute session ranged from about 6,000 to about 13,000 baht, depending on the girl that you select. Perhaps someone can confirm that La Belle and Poseidon are equivalent to The Lord Palace.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3057469]Poseidon is in Hyay Kwang New China Town area, about 20 Km North of Suhkumvit, a very long Uber ride in heavy traffic....[/QUOTE]I think more like 20 minutes (5. 6 km), not 20 km. It is a 10 min ride on blue line (5 stops) from Terminal 21 area then an 8 min walk.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;3057359](I am likely to be beaten up by the experts. So apologies upfront. I am a serious expert at Brazil, so ask me anything and I will share).

First time to Bangkok. Will have 2 days with me. Will be staying in the center in Hilton or Marriott chains.

I like to go to a "NICE" luxury place, where I can see 30-50 women in the fishbowl environment. Pick some one and go enjoy for 1-2 hours, come back, dine, drink and again do it. What is a nicest places here. I read tons and tons on the soapy bar. I am not a big fan of spending a lot of time in the water or nuru massage etc. , I like to pick some one and spend 1-1.5 hours with passionate action. And try to repeat it at least 3 times in a day.

The website has all kinds of place and my research is never-ending. So can you suggest the top places. (I don't prefer website, incall etc, I like to go to a place see, pick have fun and repeat).

Thank you in advance (yes, I have gone thru several links for several hours and still don't have a good game plan).[/QUOTE]Google La Belle, Maria Massage Bangkok and Black Caviar. These are the luxury places you are asking about. I am not recommending them because I don't need their services but I think they fit your criteria.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3057554]Some places that call themselves soapy massage are not even close to nice or luxury. For example, the facility at Annie's on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 looks disgusting and the staff out front are generally undoable. PgReal's recommendation of LaBelle or Poseidon may be more of what you are seeking.

Years ago there was a great place called "The Lord Palace", but I believe they have closed. A few years ago they would have several dozen beautiful options and prices for a 90-minute session ranged from about 6,000 to about 13,000 baht, depending on the girl that you select. Perhaps someone can confirm that La Belle and Poseidon are equivalent to The Lord Palace.[/QUOTE]The glory days of Soapys are finished.

Get your Africans while you can.

[URL]https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2026/03/21/16-foreign-women-arrested-in-sukhumvit-prostitution-crackdown/[/URL]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3057554]Some places that call themselves soapy massage are not even close to nice or luxury.
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Years ago there was a great place called "The Lord Palace", but I believe they have closed. A few years ago they would have several dozen beautiful options and prices for a 90-minute session ranged from about 6,000 to about 13,000 baht, depending on the girl that you select. Perhaps someone can confirm that La Belle and Poseidon are equivalent to The Lord Palace.[/QUOTE]The Lord was amazing. It was one of my favorite bordellos on the planet. They always had a bevy of elegant, smoking hot girls in a luxury setting with 6-star hotel quality rooms and service to match. I mean how do you manage to have a jacuzzi tub pre-filled with hot water every time I took a girl upstairs! I don't know. And the girls were very naughty! VERY NAUGHTY! But then management was caught illegally tapping into the city's water pipes in order to supply the Lord's jacuzzi tubs and that was the end. But the memories linger with some amazing girls.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3057611]Google La Belle, Maria Massage Bangkok and Black Caviar. These are the luxury places you are asking about. I am not recommending them because I don't need their services but I think they fit your criteria.[/QUOTE]Yeah, these are the best that are still around. La Belle was always my 2nd favorite soapy behind the Lord. I had some real good times at La Belle. It was just that La Belle was not as amazing as the Lord. Maria has some worthy talent as well. I have been there a few times, and I can recommend Maria too.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3057614]The glory days of Soapys are finished.

Get your Africans while you can.

[URL]https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2026/03/21/16-foreign-women-arrested-in-sukhumvit-prostitution-crackdown/[/URL][/QUOTE]I see the media is now being more specific about what exactly the prostitution sweep and violation of the law was about. From Your link:

[QUOTE]They were charged under Section 5 of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act for soliciting or approaching individuals in public places for the purpose of prostitution in a manner deemed open and causing public nuisance.[/QUOTE]Usually the media just says something simplistic, lazy and ultimately misleading, like that the ladies were arrested "for prostitution" when that isn't the reason at all.

But not this time. This is a refreshingly new approach.

I had mentioned to a friend recently that I suspected there would be a sweep along that section of Soi 4 and the other side in front of Maison Hotel anytime now due to it becoming so densely crowded with African freelancers on one side and Vietnamese Freelancers on the other side along with the Indian punters negotiating in groups of 5-6 that I can barely walk through the gauntlet without stepping into the street. So it was inevitable that somebody at the hotels whose entrances they were beginning to block would file a complaint.

A few days ago there was suddenly no Vietnamese girls in front of the Maison Hotel sign stretch of Soi 4 around 8:30 pm. The place was empty. A friend and I stopped at Bus Stop restaurant for a drink, saw a couple of brown uniform officers passing by on foot and by 9:30 pm when I was heading back down Soi 4 the stretch was packed with Vietnamese ladies again as usual. I think somebody had given the ladies a heads up and they scattered for a few minutes until the officers could take a few pics and selfies of the area looking spic and span clear of the crowds. But apparently not this most recent time.

If I could convince one or two of the better looking Vietnamese or African girls who aggressively reach out to grab me and not let go without a struggle along that stretch of Soi 4 to have Real CIP Sex with me or give me a Real CIM Blowjob for any reasonable amount of money I might take one every now and then. But, alas, that isn't even close to what they expect me to give them 3,000+ baht for. Oh well. Guess they'll have to use somebody else's money to bail them out of these problems.

Josh,

I measured it on Maps, 8.5 Km from Nana Plaza, 49 minutes on BTS / MRT Blue line with 28 min walk at 10 PM. I just hate to climb up and down the steep stairs to the platforms. Grab cars would take at least 60 minutes due to heavy street traffic.

I took the trains, boats, Grab cars and bikes to various hotels the girls work out of, which they have to pay 1,500 Bahts a day for the room. These hotels have families in long stay with babies and school children, must be pretty cheap for long stay.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3057743]Josh,

I measured it on Maps, 8.5 Km from Nana Plaza, 49 minutes on BTS / MRT Blue line with 28 min walk at 10 PM. I just hate to climb up and down the steep stairs to the platforms. Grab cars would take at least 60 minutes due to heavy street traffic.

I took the trains, boats, Grab cars and bikes to various hotels the girls work out of, which they have to pay 1,500 Bahts a day for the room. These hotels have families in long stay with babies and school children, must be pretty cheap for long stay.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure u can get there in half the time on the back of a bike. Those guys are fucking wizards. Did that twice last time I was there and it was 90% as fun as the fucking. And the fucking was great. High recommend. Waaaay better than an amusement park ride.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3057777]Pretty sure u can get there in half the time on the back of a bike. Those guys are fucking wizards. Did that twice last time I was there and it was 90% as fun as the fucking. And the fucking was great. High recommend. Waaaay better than an amusement park ride.[/QUOTE]Fat old guys shouldn't be on the back of bikes. Gave it up when I was 65.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3057688]I see the media is now being more specific about what exactly the prostitution sweep and violation of the law was about. From Your link:

Usually the media just says something simplistic, lazy and ultimately misleading, like that the ladies were arrested "for prostitution" when that isn't the reason at all.

But not this time. This is a refreshingly new approach.

I had mentioned to a friend recently that I suspected there would be a sweep along that section of Soi 4 and the other side in front of Maison Hotel anytime now due to it becoming so densely crowded with African freelancers on one side and Vietnamese Freelancers on the other side along with the Indian punters negotiating in groups of 5-6 that I can barely walk through the gauntlet without stepping into the street. So it was inevitable that somebody at the hotels whose entrances they were beginning to block would file a complaint.

A few days ago there was suddenly no Vietnamese girls in front of the Maison Hotel sign stretch of Soi 4 around 8:30 pm. The place was empty. A friend and I stopped at Bus Stop restaurant for a drink, saw a couple of brown uniform officers passing by on foot and by 9:30 pm when I was heading back down Soi 4 the stretch was packed with Vietnamese ladies again as usual. I think somebody had given the ladies a heads up and they scattered for a few minutes until the officers could take a few pics and selfies of the area looking spic and span clear of the crowds. But apparently not this most recent time..[/QUOTE]I've always found the African girls to be pretty much universally disgusting. The last Viet I took tried to pick pocket me. But the Indians are too naive to care and they and the Arabs have jungle fever anyway.

5 days in Bangkok in November 2025. It is a bit late, I wrote this at the time and forgot to post it. With the current nonsense in the middle east I don't think I'll be back this year.

Thanks as always to the contributors in these forums for up to date info and advice.

Day 0.

Arrived late on Thursday at the hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 6, at 10 pm headed down Soi 4 to Hooters for some wings and a sniff of the atmosphere in Nana. Loads of freelancers on both sides of the street, many more than I'm used to as I normally come in October. I wasn't planning on starting mongering tonight, but a pair of pretty eyes blinked up at me and I ended up back at my hotel with my first FL in tow. And the first problem: no ID card for the hotel. The Dynasty Grande is strict about ID, which I respect as the guys are good and look out for trouble. Normally this whiff of BS would end the arrangement, but in the lobby light she looked pretty sweet so we headed off to a ST hotel for a session in a 300 be room. She claimed to be 20 and had lost her ID while drinking in Nana, which sounds like BS, but whatever, she was a little chubby with the sweetest dumptruck ass and big enough natural boobs which was keeping my interest. 1.5 K for 1 shot, insisted on condom. Terrible covered BJ, no kissing, annoying nipple sucking (on mine, hers were great) followed by the best covered sex I have had in at least 5 years, not because she was any good, but because she fitted me like a glove for some reason and felt like heaven. Lucky first shot, and it got even better when I told her I don't like condoms and she said tomorrow no condom. I must have passed the initial screening process so we agreed 2.5 k for the next time for 2 hours 2 shots. She said I was her first customer that night and I'm inclined to believe her as there were far more FL than punters out and she was not very forward at getting attention. A bit of market competition is good for choice and pricing, so an interesting and promising start to the week!

Day 1.

Woke with a throbbing (har har) sildenafil headache and realized that I had been sold 100 MG sidegra instead of 50 MG. This overdose was survivable, but kept me out of action for most of the day, mainly because I couldn't get the doors to close in the hotel elevator. Felt much better at 10 pm, and went to meet up with little dumptruck at the Rose Hotel on Soi 4, because of course she hadn't found her ID card yet. She was pretty late, so I sat outside the ST hotel and watched the couples and triples going in and out. Considering how many FL were out on the street, it wasn't as busy as I thought it would be, and again there seemed to be an excess of ladies compared to customers.

Dumptruck arrived a bit sweaty and full of apologies, and she looked a treat so we headed in for action. Again terrible skills on her part but her look and build absolutely turned me on and the two BBFSCIP were superb. She liked to be banged pretty hard, during doggy she reached around and put my hands on her shoulders to squash her into the bed and said "go fast", and afterwards she grinned and said "I like that". I like back-stories, and I was still trying to figure out her story, as she seemed very young and was a mixture of bashfulness and business. She showed me a picture of her in a hijab "me Muslim girl", and a load of pictures of a baby "friend baby no my baby I look after when she work", and she also seemed to like getting smashed drunk, which is how she claims she lost her ID. She had long fake nails which indicate a non-industrious person, so I'm guessing I was lucky to have found her at the start of a long lazy FL career, just getting used to the money but before the rubbish tattoos.

Day 2.

I had a firm plan to get a good massage and visit either Lolitas or Kasalong to get my tubes cleaned. I like Kasalong because it has private rooms which remind me of the waiting room in my local tyre fitter's workshop, except not as clean. Walking down Soi 6 to Kasalong I passed Analisa massage and realised that I could combine the massage and BJ in one stop, thus achieving greater efficiency and productivity in my day. A stupid mistake of course, but in I went. Selected 90 minutes oil massage HJ + BJ for 1.8 K on special offer. 4 girls came in and I chose a slim girl with a tight bum. Off we went for a shower and then she put me facedown on the massage table with the hole for willy to hang free in the breeze. Distracted by her fit body, perky tits, and sexy slim waist, it took me a while to realize that she was not great at massage. Each time I thought to say something to her she would reach in and rub my balls and todger, temporarily erasing the thought by soft stroking and gentle teasing. All very nice but not the pro massage I had planned. After the flip, she applied a condom and gave an OK but not fantastic CBJ, and finished off with a HJ. I was quite pleased during all this by her rock-hard stomach, which was tight as a drum, and perfect dangling boobs, so all in all it was fine entertainment and not a waste of money, however in hindsight I should have gone to a specialist in Kasalong for the BJ and then an experienced high-mileage masseuse on Soi 8 for the massage.

Strolled down Soi 4 around 11 pm to find a FL for the evening, and met a tall quiet girl with long hair and a baseball cap. Quoted 1.5 k for ST and I forgot to ask about BB, and off we went to my hotel. Condom was mandatory, which was OK. She was reasonably engaged and active, but when it got to the deed it turned out she had one of the tightest pussies I have ever encountered. She didn't seem uncomfortable, but there was a serious fit issue and I am not unusually large. After application of copious amounts of lube and a lot of slipping around we got started and, despite the condom, the high-pressure hydraulic fit created a great sensation that got the job done. Not the worst punt, wouldn't repeat.

Day 3.

Went down to Thermae around 10 pm to have a look, not intending to bring anyone back. It was very busy on Sunday, but I have seen it busier with ladies. Reviews here are still saying the bias to Asian punters is noticeable and I thought the same, Japanese and Koreans were coming through in groups of 4-10 constantly and getting lots of attention. I watched some of the negotiations and the pricing seems to start at 3 k (as in 3 fingers held up) and some 5 k. With so much choice outside I wasn't pushed on spending on a Thermae FL.

Heading back up Soi 4 I spotted a lady I liked, agreed 1.5 K ST and BBFSCIP and off we went to my hotel.

Good punt, and interesting story: in her 30's, freelancing for years, 17 year old kid, and also a civil servant, she showed me pictures of her in uniform and at work. Money was needed, the usual story of medicine or whatever, but more likely an expensive gambling hobby or a liking for booze. We had a good chat about working for the government and the universal gripes and low-level corruption that goes on.

Day 4.

This was a long day. I had read some positive comments on here about 10 Ten on Soi 10, and decided to visit during the day. I had been there before under the old name. This time was decent enough. Chose a lovely fit girl with big tits and delicious smooth skin for 90 minutes massage + FS. Pretty good FS, DFK and DATY although I suspect that her main skill was nuru and rubbing those massive tits over people. Everything was covered and no uncovered options were available at all when I asked. Room was clean and decent, and not a bad way to pass the afternoon.

In the evening I met a FL I have known for years on Sukhumvit. I had seen her two days previously, but unfortunately she had just packed an entire bowl of noodles into her mouth at once, which combined with an extra 10 kg and the fact that she is a natural butterface, had made me turn around before she spotted me. This time she had finished chewing on the noodles and was looking a bit fresher, and she recognized me and we had a chat. I was tempted to bring her with me, as she is game for anything and is good fun, but having enjoyed every orifice there over the years, I was more interested in fresh experiences so I left her slightly disappointed.

Had some food in the Bush Garden bar outside Thermae and enjoyed watching the lady boys strutting their stuff and the Thermae girls trotting in and out of the hotel with their prey.

Walking back up Sukhumvit road, a FL standing under a stairs caught my eye and I turned around. Quoted 1. 5 K ST, 2 K BBFSCIP, OK with me so off we went to my hotel. Decent punt and very pleasant woman. She didn't have her ID card for some reason but she did have her passport for the hotel.

While we were inside the hotel it had rained, and I got a message from poor little dumptruck who was down on the street getting wet and hadn't had any customers yet. "You come see me now? NO, maybe in an hour, "you come see me in 30 minutes? No in one hour, "boo hoo I'm all wet no customers in the rain", one hour, "OK don't forget me", I suspect she went into the bar next door and had a beer because she sent a picture from inside it. Anyway, I met her at the ST hotel, she had a friend with her who had just pulled another punter so they were both very pleased with themselves, having managed to book their first customers each, and we all got to squeeze into the slowest lift in Bangkok to the top floor, while the girls giggled and Punter 2 and I made small talk about lift capacity.

This was my final punt with dumptruck and we were getting a bit of a routine going, by which I mean she quit trying to lick my nipples and just wiped the sweat off my head with a towel while I enjoyed the slippery delights of her perfect pussy. 1.5 K damage for that short notice punt, and I gave her some baht for a taxi. She did try to get me to go to a bar with her afterwards with her friend, and I suspect that she thought I had been drinking as it took me a while to finish. I was of course on my third shot of the day which is taxing for an old guy, but she may have been trying a pro move of getting a partially drunk punter even drunker to help relieve him of more of his cash. Fair play to her for playing the game, but I made my excuses that 2.30 am was past my bedtime and left for a walk around Nana.

And this is where I met Queenie, companion for my remaining 26 hours in Thailand (not a ladyboy, I genuinely can't remember her name so Queenie is short for "briefly Queen of my heart" I had strolled around the plaza as the gogos emptied around 3 am and hung around to watch the melee of staggering drunks and last minute freelancer negotiations which is good entertainment.

The freelancers get much more direct at 3 am as they look for their final or even first customer, and the prices drop. I got approached by several ladies, one very good-mannered ladyboy called Stephanie, and an African woman who said she didn't like my shirt, which was a bit rich coming from someone whose hairstyle was modelled on a toilet-brush.

Heading up Soi 4 toward my hotel a lovely girl who looked like she had come out of Thermae offered 1. 2 K for ST, and I apologized that I was empty and just going home. A few paces up the street was a woman with beautiful eyes and a sweet face in a blue dress who just said Hi. I thought she was lovely so I stopped and said I was finished for the day, what else do you do? She said I'll do anything you want, so massage for 1 K it was and back to the hotel.

30 minutes into massage I wanted more, so agreed 2 K to stay until morning and BBFSCIP. She did a super GFE and this was when I very briefly fell in love with her back, which was so perfect that if I had a Hot Wheels car I could have just rolled it up and down her spine forever. That infatuation lasted for the typical attention span of the Hot Wheels demographic, an entire 2 minutes.

Day 5.

Woke up with Queenie at 10 am for a great BB session, asked her to stay, she went back to sleep, went for lunch, returned to fresh sheets, another session, relaxed slept and talked, final session, dinner, packed luggage, slept, she woke me up at 5 am to check out and go the airport. Total damage was 6 K (and a toothbrush), and she didn't ask for it, that is all I had left in baht. I can honestly say Queenie is the best LT freelance experience I can remember in Thailand. DFK, DATY, everything was relaxed and enjoyable. She seemed to really like snoozing in the bed, aircon, and having lots of showers (I counted 9) so I wonder if her Bangkok accommodation is a bit lacking.

Being realistic, from general conversation I'm 100% certain she was looking for a long-term farang boyfriend as an investment, but she didn't do a hard sell and I'm slightly curious as to how and when she would have started the cash extraction process. I left her in Nana BTS looking forlorn and gazing wistfully after me, probably wondering why she didn't have my number and not realizing that she has dodged a bullet with a cranky and parsimonious old monger.

Things I learned this week:

1. Always read the dose size on the Sidegra packet.

2. Subcontract BJs to specialists.

3. If you give a Fisherman's Friend mint to a girl, make sure she has finished it before she starts a BJ. It is not an unpleasant sensation, but very, very surprising.

4. There is still plenty of value in Bangkok. ST quotes on the street were 1.2 K to 2 K depending on mileage and attractiveness, and this was without negotiation.

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I would take BTS to the nearest stations then short Grab bike rides to the hotels, the quickest way. Too risky on long bike rides in heavy street traffic. They take way too many deadly risks.

The union motor bikers wearing orange jackets are low tech. They are even riskier and get lost a lot. Grab bikes are avail anywhere and are safer, more reliable.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3057777]Pretty sure u can get there in half the time on the back of a bike. Those guys are fucking wizards. Did that twice last time I was there and it was 90% as fun as the fucking. And the fucking was great. High recommend. Waaaay better than an amusement park ride.[/QUOTE]Once you see a few actual split skulls the interest in this wears off pretty quick. Speed + no restraints + probably no helmet + rapid deceleration of your head on pavement = a spilled coconut cream pie. Byebye.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3057790]I've always found the African girls to be pretty much universally disgusting. The last Viet I took tried to pick pocket me. But the Indians are too naive to care and they and the Arabs have jungle fever anyway.[/QUOTE]My only African encounter in BKK - she was hot AF, but pulled a no BBBJ after arrival of precum. WTF. I had 2 viet encounters - 1 was good. The other started BJ and it felt like I was going through a meat grinder > immediate abort.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3057790]I've always found the African girls to be pretty much universally disgusting. The last Viet I took tried to pick pocket me. But the Indians are too naive to care and they and the Arabs have jungle fever anyway.[/QUOTE]I find the selection of African chicks in Bangkok to be pretty good. In fact it better there than what I found in Mombasa. The availability of black chicks is one of the reasons I'm choosing to go back to Thailand.

Anyone have any recommendations a spot I could bring my girlfriend in for some action? Starting near Nana.

I returned a month and a half ago from a very nice trip to Brazil, see my report under Curitiba. I plan on visiting Bangkok in a month and I am especially interested in young sideline girls. However I am a little worried. Thai society in general seems to be far more conservative sexually than Brazil. Are the Thai girls mostly cold and mechanical or can they also be very passionate if treated well?

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3058035]I returned a month and a half ago from a very nice trip to Brazil, see my report under Curitiba. I plan on visiting Bangkok in a month and I am especially interested in young sideline girls. However I am a little worried. Thai society in general seems to be far more conservative sexually than Brazil. Are the Thai girls mostly cold and mechanical or can they also be very passionate if treated well?[/QUOTE]Like anywhere its a hit or miss some girls are total GFE while some are mechanical while others give the whole PSE vibe I guess it comes down to how is your connection with the girl you choose if there is some kine of connection as your not a jerk or creep and have some sort of manners and gentleman behavior it will take you far and you will enjoy your self. Just be wary some will try and upsale you if they can just be strong and stand you ground.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3058035]I returned a month and a half ago from a very nice trip to Brazil, see my report under Curitiba. I plan on visiting Bangkok in a month and I am especially interested in young sideline girls. However I am a little worried. Thai society in general seems to be far more conservative sexually than Brazil. Are the Thai girls mostly cold and mechanical or can they also be very passionate if treated well?[/QUOTE]Forget about it. Have not met even one passionate Thai girl yet. They can cuddle or do nasty things, or offer whatever 'experiences' you read about, but never have passion of a Latina. It's a culture of service, massages and oral play trying to find a tiny dick in the bushes.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;3057900]I find the selection of African chicks in Bangkok to be pretty good. In fact it better there than what I found in Mombasa. The availability of black chicks is one of the reasons I'm choosing to go back to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on that. Some of the African P4P ladies in Bangkok these days are quite good looking, IMO. Body, proportions, face, everything looking damn good. In their clothes, that is. I have no experience with any of the current group being naked in my apartment. Or how they behave in the room.

Over the years I have sessioned with 4 African ladies in Bangkok. Only the first one was a winner for me. Met her on Tinder. A very sweet DFK, BBBJ, DATY and BBFSCIP followed, all agreed upon upfront before meeting. And she was lovely.

But that was several years ago. The 3 others after her also looked fine but were dreadful in the room; 'yes" on the street / "no" in the room, more money demanded and to be paid upfront, their attitude flipped from sweet to crappy once the door closed behind us. I aborted every one of those missions.

Some of the hottest ones here lately are aggressive with me as I see they are with many other punters. But only one cute spinner who hopped on the back of my bike and threw her arms around me when I happened to come to a stop in front of the lineup outside Novotel Hotel agreed to have Real Girlfriend-Style Sex / BBFSCIP with me. Which I asked her about out of curiosity but at that moment could not take her due to another pressing and, frankly, far more reliable engagement I was heading for at the moment. Never saw her again after that one encounter on the street. Probably deported due to a visa violation.

Otherwise, the only hot ones that intrigue me and come on very strong, stepping in front of me to demand a kiss baby and assure me they will make me happy, grabbing me and not letting go without a struggle and so on, have universally refused to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with me or to give me a simple BBBJCIM regardless of the money. They don't even quote a price for anything I would be interested in doing with them. It's just a flat out "No, honey, I can not do that. " Ok, nice meeting you, love you anyway, bye.

Hi guys,

I am currently in Bangkok. Can someone please share contacts of VFM indies. Which is a hood club to pick up girls? Last time I remember I had gone to Sugar club on Soi 11 but not many girls there. I am here for the next couple of days. Thanks.

[QUOTE=KinkyLink;3058129]Like anywhere its a hit or miss some girls are total GFE while some are mechanical while others give the whole PSE vibe I guess it comes down to how is your connection with the girl you choose if there is some kine of connection as your not a jerk or creep and have some sort of manners and gentleman behavior it will take you far and you will enjoy your self. Just be wary some will try and upsale you if they can just be strong and stand you ground.[/QUOTE]I have been doing a lot of traveling over the past few years. I have posted reports of everything by the way. I have met I think two girls who just weren't interested in me. I don't think that it was me, however the idea of being a sex worker or of having sex with someone they met five minutes ago just turned them off. Both were 18 and had great bodies; in general beautiful. One was a Venezuelan in Barcelona one was a Russian in Saint Petersburg. The fact that Thai society seems to be conservative, in a 1950's sort of level, makes me wonder what to expect. It doesn't sound like the average Thai sex worker, like for example a Western woman such as Lily Phillips, is going to rationalize it "Well, I'm doing this anyway for free. Why shouldn't I get paid?

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3058035]I returned a month and a half ago from a very nice trip to Brazil, see my report under Curitiba. I plan on visiting Bangkok in a month and I am especially interested in young sideline girls. However I am a little worried. Thai society in general seems to be far more conservative sexually than Brazil. Are the Thai girls mostly cold and mechanical or can they also be very passionate if treated well?[/QUOTE]Personally I find Brazilian sex workers amongst the coldest most shallow, insincere women of any nationality of sex worker anywhere in the world. They just tend to be better actors and fool gullible men maybe easier.

I am always baffled why men are attracted to them. Their worst trait is their self-centredness.

I personally know 4 guys that married Brazilian chicks, all ended up ultimately in divorce but not after the man's life was made hell for years. Once kids came along, basically the man was deemed surplus to requirements except as a glorified babysitter and financial provider. The girl brought their extended family over to live in the house. The men all lost their houses and dignity along the way.

Hi bro,

What is the 'F' forum? I am in Bangkok now.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3051823]Man why didn't you read the 'f' forum. Patpong soi 2 you would have heard all about (and directions to) 'Meet the World' bar, not only a one of a kind BJ bar but you could have experienced the infamous 'scrum' of 3/4 women at once. I ticked it off my bucket list two weeks ago, still basking in the memory of it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PgReal;3058216]Personally I find Brazilian sex workers amongst the coldest most shallow, insincere women of any nationality of sex worker anywhere in the world. They just tend to be better actors and fool gullible men maybe easier.

I am always baffled why men are attracted to them. Their worst trait is their self-centredness.

I personally know 4 guys that married Brazilian chicks, all ended up ultimately in divorce but not after the man's life was made hell for years. Once kids came along, basically the man was deemed surplus to requirements except as a glorified babysitter and financial provider. The girl brought their extended family over to live in the house. The men all lost their houses and dignity along the way.[/QUOTE]Marriage is a totally different story. Been there, done that. I would rather put a bullet in my head right now instead of getting married. It doesn't matter which nationality. I am talking about casual sex, hanging out together for a couple of weeks, a sort of honeymoon. My recent trip to Curitiba, Brazil was great. In terms of good sex / dollar the best ever. Obviously everyone has their own personal taste so I can only speak for myself. However I need to go to Cambodia for business reasons so I am making a stop over in Bangkok for a couple of weeks. I have been hearing about Thailand forever. I can't fly over without checking it out.

I have been watching some videos of Thai beauty contests on youtube. I am feeling more optimistic. [URL]https://youtu.be/BGmSnkb57Q4[/URL] As the immortal Britney Spears once said "I'm not that innocent".

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3058248]Marriage is a totally different story. Been there, done that. I would rather put a bullet in my head right now instead of getting married. I am talking about casual sex, hanging out together for a couple of weeks, a sort of honeymoon. My recent trip to Curitiba, Brazil was great. In terms of good sex / dollar the best ever. Obviously everyone has their own personal taste so I can only speak for myself. However I need to head to Cambodia for business reasons so I am making a stop over in Bangkok for a couple of weeks. I have been hearing about Thailand forever.

I have been watching some videos of Thai beauty contests on youtube. I am feeling more optimistic. [URL]https://youtu.be/BGmSnkb57Q4[/URL] As the immortal Britney Spears once said "I'm not that innocent".[/QUOTE]Sex workers is what I was mainly referring to, marriage anecdote was just a tag on story. Brazilian women are by and large false, shallow and devious to the core.

[QUOTE=Darwin1985;3058241]Hi bro,

What is the 'F' forum? I am in Bangkok now.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you have to be told that and can't work it out for yourself, then don't bother trying to navigate to the MTW bar, you have no chance.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3058216]Personally I find Brazilian sex workers amongst the coldest most shallow, insincere women of any nationality of sex worker anywhere in the world. They just tend to be better actors and fool gullible men maybe easier.[/QUOTE]I've been all over the world, and I don't have a clue what "Brazilian nationality" you're talking about. What you describe is not the people that I and millions know. Now, if you had said Russian working women, then I would probably go ahead and not challenge that. Except to say that with them that it isn't an act LOL! That said, the Ruskie girls do know how to fuck!

[QUOTE=Darwin1985;3058182]Hi guys,

I am currently in Bangkok. Can someone please share contacts of VFM indies. Which is a hood club to pick up girls? Last time I remember I had gone to Sugar club on Soi 11 but not many girls there. I am here for the next couple of days. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Maybe RTFF? What do others think?

[QUOTE=Darwin1985;3058241]Hi bro,

What is the 'F' forum? I am in Bangkok now.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]F is fucking as in "Read the fucking forum. ".

Has anyone got any recent updates on the the Sukhumvit nightclubs lately. Searched on here and the addicts forums but not much information about.

If anyone has any updates on the club next to Nana hotel, Sugar, Levels or Climax it would be appreciated.

I've seen Lucy club appear on my Instagram feed but that doesn't really seem to be P4P orientated.

I got bored of P4P in Thailand after finding Brazil but kind of miss the laid back atmosphere and ease of everything. I'm not a fan of the clubs in Pattaya as there's too many man bag wearing, broccoli head narcissists who totally out number any cute girl these days.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;3058784]Has anyone got any recent updates on the the Sukhumvit nightclubs lately. Searched on here and the addicts forums but not much information about.

If anyone has any updates on the club next to Nana hotel, Sugar, Levels or Climax it would be appreciated.

I've seen Lucy club appear on my Instagram feed but that doesn't really seem to be P4P orientated.

I got bored of P4P in Thailand after finding Brazil but kind of miss the laid back atmosphere and ease of everything. I'm not a fan of the clubs in Pattaya as there's too many man bag wearing, broccoli head narcissists who totally out number any cute girl these days.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've been to Sugar on Soi 11, it was a one and done for me. Felt cramped, too loud, etc.

[QUOTE=FunkMaster71;3058958]I've been to Sugar on Soi 11, it was a one and done for me. Felt cramped, too loud, etc.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;3058784]Has anyone got any recent updates on the the Sukhumvit nightclubs lately. Searched on here and the addicts forums but not much information about.

If anyone has any updates on the club next to Nana hotel, Sugar, Levels or Climax it would be appreciated.

I've seen Lucy club appear on my Instagram feed but that doesn't really seem to be P4P orientated.

I got bored of P4P in Thailand after finding Brazil but kind of miss the laid back atmosphere and ease of everything. I'm not a fan of the clubs in Pattaya as there's too many man bag wearing, broccoli head narcissists who totally out number any cute girl these days..[/QUOTE]I have been looking for updates on Mixx forever.

What are the charges at la bella?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3057651]The Lord was amazing. It was one of my favorite bordellos on the planet. They always had a bevy of elegant, smoking hot girls in a luxury setting with 6-star hotel quality rooms and service to match. I mean how do you manage to have a jacuzzi tub pre-filled with hot water every time I took a girl upstairs! I don't know. And the girls were very naughty! VERY NAUGHTY! But then management was caught illegally tapping into the city's water pipes in order to supply the Lord's jacuzzi tubs and that was the end. But the memories linger with some amazing girls.

Yeah, these are the best that are still around. La Belle was always my 2nd favorite soapy behind the Lord. I had some real good times at La Belle. It was just that La Belle was not as amazing as the Lord. Maria has some worthy talent as well. I have been there a few times, and I can recommend Maria too.[/QUOTE]

Members can you share any good escort agency in bkk. Or any indie contact.

[QUOTE=SPatel7805;3059196]What are the charges at la bella?[/QUOTE]La Belle has 8 price tiers (as of March 2026).

T = 2700, S = 3300, G = 3900, P = 4500, 'D' = 5500, X = 6500, L = 7500, XL = 8500 (all in THB for 90 minutes).

La Belle is my preferred Bangkok soapy as I've found it to be consistent, straightforward and have gotten to know the woman and staff there over the years. There is only the one set of prices for everyone.

I've tried all the price levels and haven't been disappointed. As you'd expect, the higher price levels (particularly L and XL) tend toward ladies that are more the model-esque type. Of course, personal preferences vary. There are T level women that I think are great but then some L or XL ladies that aren't my type.

It's only my opinion, but I don't see much difference between the L and XL women at La Belle and the 10-20000 baht women at Maria, Black Caviar or Lalisa. It all depends on what you want and if you have a specific type. I've seen Neela (Nee-ra?) XL a few times at La Belle and she's as beautiful as I will ever need.

If you are considering La Belle then obviously, I would recommend it. The rooms are clean and well kept. You can expect a sexy woman, a soak and jacuzzi in a big bath tub, a thorough blowjob and then sex. The women are looked after, well presented, very clean, trained up and their service is reliable.

I've been there solo, with clients and with friends and have never had any problems. Their food is good. I've used credit cards with no problems. Not telling any of you what to do or not. Beers are about 150-baht, soft drinks about 60, there's no pressure to buy.

I've also found La Belle a good option for when I feel like a three or foursome. Being able to choose women and prices lets me keep control of myself.

I like the way La Belle is run. It is organized but laid back. There is no hard sell or pressure. Sometimes, I might sit and drink for an hour and other times get straight to it. I've never been overcharged, short-changed or had a reason to complain. I've been to almost all of the big soapies in Bangkok and have had a few less good experiences (Maria in particular were angry when I didn't choose a lady).

If you're looking for value or want to explore, then you might find a bar girl or freelancer that you think is way better value at say 4500 baht than a woman at La Belle, and I've no argument with that. It depends on what part of the market you are in. I go there because of the consistency and the atmosphere and I'm not as interesting in exploring Bangkok as I used to be.

P.S. If you are new to big Bangkok soapies and were to ask for my general advice, I would say be aware of the power of bright lights, dresses, hair and make-up. These are all part of the sell. Some women are really good at presenting themselves to appear thinner and better looking than they really are. I don't blame them.

I recently completed a Thailand trip, which was pretty much the same as trips I've had over the last several years. If anybody cares, you can search my prior reports. Not much new to say except the following:

(1) For punters who want services above and beyond standard slam-bam-thank-you-mam, pay her, and out the door, I encourage you to develop a relationship with your favorite mamasan at your favorite go go. This means tipping her enough so she remembers you. After mama knows you she will give the girls instructions to treat you right, you are a good customer. Yes, I pay probably 25% more than necessary, but I consistently get the prettiest girls in the bar and she treats me right in the room. Punters who are satisfied with standard services, there is no need to build a relationship with mamasan (CFS, semi-cock blocking, turn head instead of kisses, etc).

(2) Some Soi 24 massage shops used to have pretty girls who offered BBFSCIP for an extra 2,000 baht. My last two trips revealed that only undoable girls were available for CIP. One afternoon, I selected a cutie and expected only shower/massage/HJ for the 2200 baht door fee (I cannot do CFS). But, I was able to convince her in the room to accept BBFS for an extra 2000 and CIP for an additional 1000. Some girls will refuse BBFS in front of their coworkers, but are willing to accept it privately for some extra cash; I was lucky that time.

(3) My primary Bangkok entertainment place is a small go go in Nana Plaza. This place typically has mostly dancers who are past their expiration dates, but there are usually a couple hotties. I don't need a bar full of hotties because I'm just going to bar fine one hottie per evening. This is a situation where having a relationship with mamasan is important, she will talk to the pretty girls and inform them that I am a good customer and make sure that the girls agree to provide the services that I require. I've been doing this for about 4 years and have had about 95% success rate of getting what I want. This trip I was able to snag my all time favorite girl for about 4 sessions. When my ATF wasn't available, mamasan had a second girl for me who was just half a notch below my ATF.

[QUOTE=SaulGoodman41;3059781]La Belle has 8 price tiers (as of March 2026).

T = 2700, S = 3300, G = 3900, P = 4500, 'D' = 5500, X = 6500, L = 7500, XL = 8500 (all in THB for 90 minutes).

La Belle is my preferred Bangkok soapy as I've found it to be consistent, straightforward and have gotten to know the woman and staff there over the years. There is only the one set of prices for everyone.

I've tried all the price levels and haven't been disappointed. As you'd expect, the higher price levels (particularly L and XL) tend toward ladies that are more the model-esque type. Of course, personal preferences vary. There are T level women that I think are great but then some L or XL ladies that aren't my type.

It's only my opinion, but I don't see much difference between the L and XL women at La Belle and the 10-20000 baht women at Maria, Black Caviar or Lalisa. It all depends on what you want and if you have a specific type. I've seen Neela (Nee-ra?) XL a few times at La Belle and she's as beautiful as I will ever need.

If you are considering La Belle then obviously, I would recommend it. The rooms are clean and well kept. You can expect a sexy woman, a soak and jacuzzi in a big bath tub, a thorough blowjob and then sex. The women are looked after, well presented, very clean, trained up and their service is reliable.

I've been there solo, with clients and with friends and have never had any problems. Their food is good. I've used credit cards with no problems. Not telling any of you what to do or not. Beers are about 150-baht, soft drinks about 60, there's no pressure to buy..[/QUOTE]An XL woman at LaBelle is almost the same as a Nana bar fined girl: 1000 BF, 1000 drinks, 500 room, 4000 girl and no jacuzzi LOL.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3059822]I recently completed a Thailand trip, which was pretty much the same as trips I've had over the last several years. If anybody cares, you can search my prior reports. Not much new to say except the following:

(1) For punters who want services above and beyond standard slam-bam-thank-you-mam, pay her, and out the door, I encourage you to develop a relationship with your favorite mamasan at your favorite go go. This means tipping her enough so she remembers you. After mama knows you she will give the girls instructions to treat you right, you are a good customer. Yes, I pay probably 25% more than necessary, but I consistently get the prettiest girls in the bar and she treats me right in the room. Punters who are satisfied with standard services, there is no need to build a relationship with mamasan (CFS, semi-cock blocking, turn head instead of kisses, etc).

(2) Some Soi 24 massage shops used to have pretty girls who offered BBFSCIP for an extra 2,000 baht. My last two trips revealed that only undoable girls were available for CIP. One afternoon, I selected a cutie and expected only shower/massage/HJ for the 2200 baht door fee (I cannot do CFS)..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pointers. It'll be my first time going, so I wanted to ask how upfront are you about asking about BBFS? Is this something you only ask for behind closed doors (I assume you don't ask the mamasan)? I'd hate to barfine a gal only for her to turn me down.

[QUOTE=LundonFrog;3059842]Thanks for the pointers. It'll be my first time going, so I wanted to ask how upfront are you about asking about BBFS? Is this something you only ask for behind closed doors (I assume you don't ask the mamasan)? I'd hate to barfine a gal only for her to turn me down.[/QUOTE]It depends on the situation. In the case of my primary mamasan, she knows already that I only want BBFSCIP and she makes arrangements with the girl. In cases where I'm at a different go go or beer bar, I'll ask the girl privately. At massage shops known for FS, I'll ask mamasan (or the girl directly before commitment). Regardless, it is important to ask in a way that only one person hears your request.

Was only planning 7 days and the rest in Pattaya but was having such fun staying out and hitting the clubs all night I never left.

Split my accommodation between Jw Marriott and Adelphi on Soi 8. Will always stay on Soi 8 from now on. Fantastic food, some good bars and so close to everywhere else.

I went prepared with Sagami Original 0. 01 condoms (get the large size unless micro dick) . Amazing condoms, I drink way too much often to sunrise and I was able to finish with these things which is near impossible with normal condoms.

What was more surprising is how few I actually used. I counted 20 partners during my stay of which I used condoms with 4 and 2 of them I knew previously. Its like condom use has gone out of fashion lately and I've been to BKK 5 times in two years since my divorce LOL. I don't remember it being this easy. (I'm on prep and doxy a day on holiday so quite happy to roll the dice.).

It didn't matter if it was a bargirls on Soi 4/8/11, or random girl from Modern Teen, Hillary 2/3 or Climax none of them mentioned a condom.

In most instances I never mentioned it and it was just natural. In one case I gave two girls an extra 1500 baht each in a threesome to get it over the line.

I don't go crazy on what I pay the girls but I do spend a lot of money on my nights out and in the bars which seems to attract the girls. Go figure.

I work hard for my money and can't help splurging on holidays, my normal life is pretty boring.

Highlight was bringing 3 girls back to the JW Marriot one night, the hotel didn't bat an eyelid, I guess that's what you get for paying the rip off $$$ they charge.

The girls were all friends and I met them in Hillary 3 very random. They were into each other as well which made it very memorable night.

Now got to battle depression back in real life Going to move heaven to live in Thailand ASAP. What a place!

[QUOTE=LundonFrog;3059842]Thanks for the pointers. It'll be my first time going, so I wanted to ask how upfront are you about asking about BBFS? Is this something you only ask for behind closed doors (I assume you don't ask the mamasan)? I'd hate to barfine a gal only for her to turn me down.[/QUOTE]HorseTrader has it right. And in my experience there is no discernible downside to telling the mamasan what you want in order to pay a barfine and take one of her girls for a session, for the mamasan to earn a significant tip and any other things good bar customers bring to the table.

That is, other than the possibility the mamasan who doesn't do much of anything to earn her money says, "I don't know. Up to the girl. " Yeah, mama, we all already knew that. Among other things, it's her job to know quite a bit more than "up to the girl" about her girls and to at least get off her butt and discretely vet her girls for which ones might be fine to earn some money that way.

That is based on my experience in gogo bars and beer bars anyway. I have no idea what if anything a mamasan or papasan at places like LE Belle and other similar venues reported on here recently would do or how they would react if a customer asked if that 8500 baht paid upfront included anything close to Real Sex / BBFSCIP with this, that or any other XL option in the fishbowl. I did not read anything in the recent reports suggesting it was possible in those places with those girls at those prices or for any other amount of money. So that probably means no.

Planning to visit La Belle first time. Is this the right location?

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/i9QanUjmx2Q1cejQ7[/URL]

I did the VIP with office theme room at Vovo. Mina comes in dressed as a secretary and proceeds to undress and wash you. Would have liked some roleplay as foreplay but there wasn't any. Mina was very enthusiastic though, licking my face and body and moaning as she crawled all over me. Combination licking cock and HJ / BJ. The only fault is she held the tip of my cock in her mouth while I was cumming, instead of continuing to suck.

Cost 2,300 bath. Extras available, but I only remember COF for an extra 500. Not really worth it unless you're really into this fantasy. The only reason I did it was I'd heard all my life about the secretary giving a blowjob under the desk and wondered how it was possible unless she was a contortionist. I remain mystified as, of course, she just turned the chair sideways and knelt on a rubber cushion. Obvious, really.

[QUOTE=VinceAU;3059932]I did the VIP with office theme room at Vovo. Mina comes in dressed as a secretary and proceeds to undress and wash you. Would have liked some roleplay as foreplay but there wasn't any. Mina was very enthusiastic though, licking my face and body and moaning as she crawled all over me. Combination licking cock and HJ / BJ. The only fault is she held the tip of my cock in her mouth while I was cumming, instead of continuing to suck.

Cost 2,300 bath. Extras available, but I only remember COF for an extra 500. Not really worth it unless you're really into this fantasy. The only reason I did it was I'd heard all my life about the secretary giving a blowjob under the desk and wondered how it was possible unless she was a contortionist. I remain mystified as, of course, she just turned the chair sideways and knelt on a rubber cushion. Obvious, really.[/QUOTE]I'd give a general thumbs up to VOVO while agreeing that the themed rooms aren't really worth it, well after the first time anyway. My frustration with the "secretary" Room was that there was no wheel brake on the office chair, we kept flying backwards ended up in the corner of the room wedged against the wall, LOL.

I do give the place a recommendation however as most of the girls are young, attractive and can give a pretty good BJ, I've seen 4 different ones and have been suitably impressed each time. CIM has been pretty standard. You can pay extra to give a facial if you want for example.

A lot of posters here have complained that a lot of the more established BJ bars only have old hags working in them nowadays.

If memory serves me correctly I think a BJ in a 'non fantasy' room is about 1200 baht so reasonable enough.

If you want fantasy, like schoolgirl, airhostess, guard, nurse, I'd recommend psyche-dream instead, the girls are more up for anything.

Hi,

I'm planning my first trip to Bangkok and will be staying around Sukhumvit, with most of my time spent around Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, and Thermae. I'm used to nightlife in Germany and other parts of Europe, but Bangkok is completely new to me, so I'm trying to get a clear and realistic picture before I go.

From what I've read so far, I understand the basics, but I'd like to confirm what prices are actually considered normal right now. Things like beer, lady drinks, bar fines, and what you typically pay for short time and long time. I'm not trying to be cheap, but I do want to avoid overpaying or getting taken advantage of. It would also be helpful to know how much negotiation is expected or if prices are usually more fixed depending on the situation.

I've also seen a lot of mixed information about scams or ways people end up spending more than intended. From your experience, what are the most common mistakes beginners make? Is it mostly about getting carried away with lady drinks, or are there other things I should be aware of? Basically, what are the clear warning signs where you should just walk away?

For accommodation, I'm currently looking at Majestic Suites Hotel and Novotel Bangkok Sukhumvit 4. My main concern is that they are guest-friendly and that bringing someone back is straightforward without extra fees or hassle. If there are better options in the same area, I'm open to suggestions.

I'd also appreciate a simple explanation of how things usually work in agogo bars in practice. For example, how you typically approach girls, whether it's expected to buy drinks before discussing anything, and if it's better to take your time or if people usually decide fairly quickly.

Lastly, I'm curious about whether agogo bars are really worth it compared to freelancers, like in Thermae, and if there are any less obvious places that are worth checking out. I'll be there for one week with a budget of around €5,000, so I'm also trying to understand how far that will realistically go if I'm going out most nights.

Appreciate any honest advice from people with experience.

[QUOTE=Bluish55;3059988]Hi,

I'm planning my first trip to Bangkok and will be staying around Sukhumvit, with most of my time spent around Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, and Thermae. I'm used to nightlife in Germany and other parts of Europe, but Bangkok is completely new to me, so I'm trying to get a clear and realistic picture before I go.

From what I've read so far, I understand the basics, but I'd like to confirm what prices are actually considered normal right now. Things like beer, lady drinks, bar fines, and what you typically pay for short time and long time. I'm not trying to be cheap, but I do want to avoid overpaying or getting taken advantage of. It would also be helpful to know how much negotiation is expected or if prices are usually more fixed depending on the situation.

I've also seen a lot of mixed information about scams or ways people end up spending more than intended. From your experience, what are the most common mistakes beginners make? Is it mostly about getting carried away with lady drinks, or are there other things I should be aware of? Basically, what are the clear warning signs where you should just walk away?

For accommodation, I'm currently looking at Majestic Suites Hotel and Novotel Bangkok Sukhumvit 4. My main concern is that they are guest-friendly and that bringing someone back is straightforward without extra fees or hassle. If there are better options in the same area, I'm open to suggestions.

I'd also appreciate a simple explanation of how things usually work in agogo bars in practice. For example, how you typically approach girls, whether it's expected to buy drinks before discussing anything, and if it's better to take your time or if people usually decide fairly quickly.

Lastly, I'm curious about whether agogo bars are really worth it compared to freelancers, like in Thermae, and if there are any less obvious places that are worth checking out. I'll be there for one week with a budget of around 5,000, so I'm also trying to understand how far that will realistically go if I'm going out most nights.

Appreciate any honest advice from people with experience.[/QUOTE]While some guys may say RTFF you asked solid questions in a respectful way so I will give you the Clifts notes.

First, although you mentioned it last, U won't have budgetary issues or have to go low brow with the budget u mentioned. A gogo girl at the top gogos will be 1000 B bar fine and 4000 B for the girl for ST So 5000 B. Thats like 140. Chump change for you. Beers are like 250 R in Nana and 150 R in Cowboy as I recall. Cowboy seems generally a bit cheaper but for my money not worth it. I don't go to Cowboy anymore. Just Nana. Expect the ladies drink (in all the fair places like Nana) to be about same as yours. Tho some places have a two drink charge if you call her offstage to be with you.

And Thermae is not for me. I don't like the atmosphere nor that CBJ appears to be the norm without negotiation. Playing pool at the beer bars (like Soi 7) is fun and you can take a girl from there for less. They may try 4000 on you but that's Gogo pricing. I don't think I've paid more than 3000 there.

Back to the gogos. A girl will generally hang w you as long as you are buying drinks. So it's up to you when you want to pull the trigger. If she seem to just be throwing them back and wanting another ID send her back. But if she's content to hang then no problem. At $7/ drink more or less it's cheap fun. Some clubs are higher mileage. I've found bunny 2 and mandarin to be high mileage.

On the hotel thing thy are surely girl friendly. Some hotels you just walk in and head to room. Others want to register the girl for safety. Don't let this freak you out. Just let her give her ID and register. No big deal. Happens thousands of times a night.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3060019]While some guys may say RTFF you asked solid questions in a respectful way so I will give you the Clifts notes.

First, although you mentioned it last, U won't have budgetary issues or have to go low brow with the budget u mentioned. A gogo girl at the top gogos will be 1000 B bar fine and 4000 B for the girl for ST So 5000 B. Thats like 140. Chump change for you. Beers are like 250 R in Nana and 150 R in Cowboy as I recall. Cowboy seems generally a bit cheaper but for my money not worth it. I don't go to Cowboy anymore. Just Nana. Expect the ladies drink (in all the fair places like Nana) to be about same as yours. Tho some places have a two drink charge if you call her offstage to be with you.

And Thermae is not for me. I don't like the atmosphere nor that CBJ appears to be the norm without negotiation. Playing pool at the beer bars (like Soi 7) is fun and you can take a girl from there for less. They may try 4000 on you but that's Gogo pricing..[/QUOTE]Everything you cited here fits my experience over the past couple of years as well.

However, haven't you found that Nana Plaza gogo girls will drop their Short Time quote or ask from 4000 baht to 3000 baht within seconds if you hesitate for even 3-4 seconds before agreeing to it? And sometimes drop it even more than that much?

I know at one point you were talking about playing pool and taking ladies from beer bars in general and cited the Soi 7 group of beer bars as an example. However, I have cruised past and through those Soi 7 bars a few times every week for years, at various hours of the night, and over the past 2-3 years I have never once seen a customer walking out of those bars with a lady in tow as though they are on their way to be alone in a room for anything. Not once. Moreover, every marginally doable girl or better that I have been grabbed by or I have approached has told me, when asked, that no they do not go with customers, only drink with customers.

Have you managed the impossible at those Soi 7 beer bars and actually barfined an attractive girl from one of them, taken her to a room somewhere and actually had sex with her? LOL. Respect for you, Sir! Not only have I not experienced that in those Soi 7 bars since I think before Covid but I have not met in person a fellow punter who has done it since then nor seen any punter walking out of those Soi 7 bars with a girl presumably on their way to do whatever together in private.

Agree with you on Thermae right up to this very week. It is a heavy lift to interact with a girl in Thermae to settle anything a man might want to do with a female sexually other than "How much, how long and how many pops. " Finding an above average looking Thermae girl who is either willing to or vaguely capable of giving a decent standard BBBJ as foreplay much less to a successful CIM finish is a major challenge. Finding an above average looking Thermae girl willing to engage in Real Sex / BBFSCIP and let's throw in extraordinary niceties like DFK and a basic understanding of penile entry into vagina without stiff legs, closed legs struggling for any amount of money is an even greater challenge, possibly as rare as a lunar eclipse. And I hate to report that the challenge from inside Thermae is starting to drift out and among the genuine females standing around outside of Thermae as well.

The only other things I might add to your solid overview is the OP asked about how to avoid scams in the bars so I wanted to mention the "coke and tequila" two Ladydrinks at once scam where the girl might even ask the customer if she can order a "coke and tequila" and make it sound like some kind of one drink cocktail but is in fact about to order two Ladydrinks at once. And the other all-time classic scam to avoid is paying the girl her fee upfront instead of after the sex. We must pay for Ladydrinks and the barfine in the bars, of course. But do not pay the girl's 3000 baht or whatever fee upfront in the bar, on the way to the room, in the room or anytime before the sex is completed.

We all have our weaknesses about that one and fail to adhere to the Pay After Only rule on occasion. These girls are brilliant at coming up with excuses for why Pay Before / Paying Her Upfront must be done. But it almost never turns out well for the punter. And even if the service is acceptable after Paying Upfront, it was probably nothing like the pleasures she would have laid on you if her Pay had been held back until After she delivered the best she could deliver.

Others might have some tweaks and details to add as well, but those came immediately to my mind.

[QUOTE=MaccatheFree;3059860]What was more surprising is how few (condoms) I actually used. I counted 20 partners during my stay of which I used condoms with 4 and 2 of them I knew previously. Its like condom use has gone out of fashion lately and I've been to BKK 5 times in two years since my divorce LOL. I don't remember it being this easy.[/QUOTE]My view. Thanks to a generous Thai public health system, girls now have ubiquitous and virtually free access to long-term contraception, morning after pills, HIV PrEP and vaccines like HPV. So the boogeymen concerns of pregnancy and HIV can be managed. Some girls will just not fuss with the bag, others will take it as an opportunity to upsell knowing that BBFS is a hot commodity for some punters. Either way, I have pleasantly observed a significant uptick in BB availability with girls I am targeting in Bangkok. It is far far from guaranteed though, so I highly recommend to take the initiative to stipulate and negotiate this point up front directly with your provider. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=NightDrifter;3059924]Planning to visit La Belle first time. Is this the right location? [URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/i9QanUjmx2Q1cejQ7[/URL][/QUOTE]Correct location. AR.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3060031]


I know at one point you were talking about playing pool and taking ladies from beer bars in general and cited the Soi 7 group of beer bars as an example. However, I have cruised past and through those Soi 7 bars a few times every week for years, at various hours of the night, and over the past 2-3 years I have never once seen a customer walking out of those bars with a lady in tow as though they are on their way to be alone in a room for anything. Not once. Moreover, every marginally doable girl or better that I have been grabbed by or I have approached has told me, when asked, that no they do not go with customers, only drink with customers.

Have you managed the impossible at those Soi 7 beer bars and actually barfined an attractive girl from one of them, taken her to a room somewhere and actually had sex with her? LOL. Respect for you, Sir! Not only have I not experienced that in those Soi 7 bars since I think before Covid but I have not met in person a fellow punter who has done it since then nor seen any punter walking out of those Soi 7 bars with a girl presumably on their way to do whatever together in private.




.[/QUOTE]Actually, I took a three ladies from the Soi 7 bars with me to my hotel for ST; they were all from the once famous Beergarden though. Good service, never saw rubber!

[QUOTE=Mari1256;3060095]Actually, I took a three ladies from the Soi 7 bars with me to my hotel for ST; they were all from the once famous Beergarden though. Good service, never saw rubber![/QUOTE]Yes I have only taken one girl from billiards on Soi 7. From Big Bs right there at the entrance. She was a bit older but very slim and service oriented. Would have made a pull of a hottie at a billiard bar on Soi 4 down from Nana but she wanted 4 K and it was like 3 in the morning. Couldn't do it. Thats the "I don't want to go with you" price.

Hey guys,

Planning to do nuru and soapy fun, ideally with 2 girls, but still unsure on the best spots.

For nuru, I've shortlisted Zen and La Belle. Any recent feedback or preference between the two? Or any other better establishment?

For soapy, haven't decided yet. Looking for tried-and-tested places with consistent quality.

Any suggestions or recent experiences would help.

Appreciate the guidance as always. Thanks!

[QUOTE=NightDrifter;3060102]Hey guys,

Planning to do nuru and soapy fun, ideally with 2 girls, but still unsure on the best spots.

For nuru, I've shortlisted Zen and La Belle. Any recent feedback or preference between the two? Or any other better establishment?

For soapy, haven't decided yet. Looking for tried-and-tested places with consistent quality.

Any suggestions or recent experiences would help.

Appreciate the guidance as always. Thanks![/QUOTE]Try this spot. I was there recently and they really did an amazing job and had a few nice ladies to choose. Traditional nuru.

[URL]https://www.hakumimassage.com[/URL]

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/XmE5gnHiMimN8QQM8[/URL]

[QUOTE=NightDrifter;3060102]Hey guys,

Planning to do nuru and soapy fun, ideally with 2 girls, but still unsure on the best spots.

For nuru, I've shortlisted Zen and La Belle. Any recent feedback or preference between the two? Or any other better establishment?

For soapy, haven't decided yet. Looking for tried-and-tested places with consistent quality.

Any suggestions or recent experiences would help.

Appreciate the guidance as always. Thanks![/QUOTE]Two quite different establishments there, not quite sure how Zen got on your shortlist from all the heavily marketed Oilies / massage shops that exist? Are you talking about ZEN on Soi 20? As I know there are a couple of "Zen" massage places in BKK. I have actually been to it twice and I would recommend it but the two main reasons I go there are a) it opens later than most, till 3 am if you give them a call in advance. So I have got there after arriving on a late flight just to relax and start the trip off with a bang! 2) It has one room with a 'Onsen' bath, which is basically a big barrel bath which you sit into and get bathed, so it's quite relaxing. It's just something a bit different. As far as girls go, both girls I met where nice, good English, good conversation etc. However each time I went the choice was very limited, the first time only two girls working and the 2nd time it was I think four. So if you are thinking of two girls, your chances are very poor. If you are looking for more hardcore, PSE definitely look elsewhere.

La Belle, is on a totally different scale, lot more choice, more club like set up / vibe but you'll pay a good bit more as well.

Bit chalk and cheese.

Met up with a Thai Friendly girl at my usual ST hotel on Soi 4. At 11 pm on Monday night, we were the only ones on the entire second floor as all the other doors were open when we entered our room as well as when we exited. Thought this might be a Monday night aberration, but same thing with another Thai Friendly girl at same time on Wednesday night, except one door was closed when we exited. Girls should be humping like mad rabbits for their Songkran homecoming money this week, but if the anemic flow of gents on Soi 4 and Sukhimvit is any indicator, they are missing a lot of punters from the equation. This high season looks like it will be rather low.

This might be a boon to the Thai Friendly market in Bangkok. The girl from Monday was a nice Soi 11 massage girl (27 yo, 43 kg, no baby) who had sent a like to me. She was very quick to offer her WhatsApp contact and accept my standard [u]GFE[/u] terms, except that she asked for 500 bhat extra so that she could pay her shop for the outcall "massage". Told her "can do" for super service. No problem for me really, as that would have been her tip anyway. When we met, she told me that there are almost no customers to the shop. I have heard that sob story before, but was inclined to believe her given my own observations. Now that I have had a couple months to work the crowd, I must admit that I am quickly warming to using TF in Bangkok as my go-to for discovering useful fresh talent. More to come. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3060230]Met up with a Thai Friendly girl at my usual ST hotel on Soi 4. At 11 pm on Monday night, we were the only ones on the entire second floor as all the other doors were open when we entered our room as well as when we exited. Thought this might be a Monday night aberration, but same thing with another Thai Friendly girl at same time on Wednesday night, except one door was closed when we exited. Girls should be humping like mad rabbits for their Songkran homecoming money this week, but if the anemic flow of gents on Soi 4 and Sukhimvit is any indicator, they are missing a lot of punters from the equation. This high season looks like it will be rather low.

This might be a boon to the Thai Friendly market in Bangkok. The girl from Monday was a nice Soi 11 massage girl (27 yo, 43 kg, no baby) who had sent a like to me. She was very quick to offer her WhatsApp contact and accept my standard [u]GFE[/u] terms, except that she asked for 500 bhat extra so that she could pay her shop for the outcall "massage". Told her "can do" for super service. No problem for me really, as that would have been her tip anyway. When we met, she told me that there are almost no customers to the shop. I have heard that sob story before, but was inclined to believe her given my own observations. Now that I have had a couple months to work the crowd, I must admit that I am quickly warming to using TF in Bangkok as my go-to for discovering useful fresh talent. More to come. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]I am curious to know what ST hotel do you use? Obviously you are happy with it (standard, cleanliness wise etc) if you repeat customer?

Regards.

[QUOTE=Elario;3060159]Try this spot. I was there recently and they really did an amazing job and had a few nice ladies to choose. Traditional nuru.

[URL]https://www.hakumimassage.com[/URL]

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/XmE5gnHiMimN8QQM8[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks! Will try this spot!

[QUOTE=PgReal;3060228]Two quite different establishments there, not quite sure how Zen got on your shortlist from all the heavily marketed Oilies / massage shops that exist? Are you talking about ZEN on Soi 20? As I know there are a couple of "Zen" massage places in BKK. I have actually been to it twice and I would recommend it but the two main reasons I go there are a) it opens later than most, till 3 am if you give them a call in advance. So I have got there after arriving on a late flight just to relax and start the trip off with a bang! 2) It has one room with a 'Onsen' bath, which is basically a big barrel bath which you sit into and get bathed, so it's quite relaxing. It's just something a bit different. As far as girls go, both girls I met where nice, good English, good conversation etc. However each time I went the choice was very limited, the first time only two girls working and the 2nd time it was I think four. So if you are thinking of two girls, your chances are very poor. If you are looking for more hardcore, PSE definitely look elsewhere..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insights.

Yeah, I meant the Zen on Soi 20. Mainly shortlisted it for the onsen experience, just something different I want to try at least once.

I actually came across it while researching, and then kept seeing the heavily marketed places like Poseidon, Tara, etc. Which made me a bit skeptical.

Trying to separate hype from genuinely good experiences.

From your experience, are there any other oilies / massage spots you'd recommend that are more consistent?

Also, for 2-girl setups, would you say it's better to target specific places known for that, or is it more about timing / availability on the day?

La Belle does seem to come up with consistent reviews, so that's still high on the list despite the higher price.

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=PgReal;3060244]I am curious to know what ST hotel do you use? Obviously you are happy with it (standard, cleanliness wise etc) if you repeat customer?[/QUOTE]The ST hotel I referred to in my post is DiPlace. It is located on the little back Soi between 7-11 and The Tavern. DiPlace is nothing special, but it does the job at 300 bhat for 60 minutes of bump and grind. Compact layout. Beds are firm enough and never squeaky. Aircons are cool. Showers work. Rooms are generally quieter. Staff is courteous. Many happy loads released, and counting.

There are many other ST hotels on the little Soi but they seem to fall short IMHO. For example, the "newer" Rose Hotel across from DiPlace is popular with some Nana girls and I have had a couple practially drag me in there. But the maintenance has been terrible and I have avoided going there since they assigned me a room with a plastic mattress cover under the bedsheet. Gross feeling. Honorable mention goes to the Charming Hotel next door to Rose. Despite the rooms being so grotty looking, I owe them a debt of gratitude for operating during Covid19 where others shuttered. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=Bluish55;3059988]Hi,

I'm planning my first trip to Bangkok and will be staying around Sukhumvit, with most of my time spent around Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, and Thermae. I'm used to nightlife in Germany and other parts of Europe, but Bangkok is completely new to me, so I'm trying to get a clear and realistic picture before I go.

From what I've read so far, I understand the basics, but I'd like to confirm what prices are actually considered normal right now. Things like beer, lady drinks, bar fines, and what you typically pay for short time and long time. I'm not trying to be cheap, but I do want to avoid overpaying or getting taken advantage of. It would also be helpful to know how much negotiation is expected or if prices are usually more fixed depending on the situation.

I've also seen a lot of mixed information about scams or ways people end up spending more than intended. From your experience, what are the most common mistakes beginners make? Is it mostly about getting carried away with lady drinks, or are there other things I should be aware of? Basically, what are the clear warning signs where you should just walk away?

For accommodation, I'm currently looking at Majestic Suites Hotel and Novotel Bangkok Sukhumvit 4. My main concern is that they are guest-friendly and that bringing someone back is straightforward without extra fees or hassle. If there are better options in the same area, I'm open to suggestions..[/QUOTE]Here is some honest advice from someone playing in the Bangkok pond for 40 years. RTFF is the only way to go.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3060031]Agree with you on Thermae right up to this very week. It is a heavy lift to interact with a girl in Thermae to settle anything a man might want to do with a female sexually other than "How much, how long and how many pops. " Finding an above average looking Thermae girl who is either willing to or vaguely capable of giving a decent standard BBBJ as foreplay much less to a successful CIM finish is a major challenge. Finding an above average looking Thermae girl willing to engage in Real Sex / BBFSCIP and let's throw in extraordinary niceties like DFK and a basic understanding of penile entry into vagina without stiff legs, closed legs struggling for any amount of money is an even greater challenge, possibly as rare as a lunar eclipse. And I hate to report that the challenge from inside Thermae is starting to drift out and among the genuine females standing around outside of Thermae as well..[/QUOTE]I always defer to the Toomster, I would just note that the two of the top ten BBBJ DT CITs I have had in the past few years came out of young hotties in Thermae.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3060293]I always defer to the Toomster, I would just note that the two of the top ten BBBJ DT CITs I have had in the past few years came out of young hotties in Thermae.[/QUOTE]That is encouraging, Nyezhov. I think. Although I'm not sure what CIT means. But I assume it could be an ordinary typo or the new AI version of auto-complete / spellcheck that creates new words and terms for us or insists upon reverting the spelling back to something we thought we had corrected already ourselves. Could be a typo of CIM? Or of COT? If it is the former, that's my thing. If it is the latter, I'd rather not bother.

I posted about my major breakthrough in getting an acceptable BBBJCIM from an above average looker I took from Thermae several months ago. I have now been with her three times, the last two at her request, and it has still only been for BBBJCIM, never for BBFSCIP, although she knows I want that. So those three sessions of DATY and BBBJCIM only might be the end of it until she agrees to BBFSCIP with me. Which I highly doubt she ever will. She is an above average looker in Thermae and that would break the Thermae Girl Rules as clearly stipulated in the Thermae Girl Handbook they distribute to the ladies at the door.

An editorial comment: the terms "above average looker" and "attractive" are the key phrases I generally apply to the ladies for all potentially challenging Thai P4P results because they are the major difference between an easy score of BBBJCIM or BBFSCIP that can he had by anyone anywhere for as little money a free and one that is a true challenge, IMO. The same with covered FS. That is also no real challenge at all with any Thai P4P girl no matter how hot she is as long as you can pony up her quote or near it.

So I have to say when someone reports on getting any of those goodies with no mention of those two aforementioned terms or the lady's approximate age and weight, I can't help assuming we are talking about a very different game and playing field than one where the players are "above average looking" or "attractive."

Just my impression of things, that is.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3060293]I always defer to the Toomster, I would just note that the two of the top ten BBBJ DT CITs I have had in the past few years came out of young hotties in Thermae.[/QUOTE]CIT = Cum In Throat?

[QUOTE=NightDrifter;3060281]Thanks for the insights.

Yeah, I meant the Zen on Soi 20. Mainly shortlisted it for the onsen experience, just something different I want to try at least once.

I actually came across it while researching, and then kept seeing the heavily marketed places like Poseidon, Tara, etc. Which made me a bit skeptical.

Trying to separate hype from genuinely good experiences.[/QUOTE]Yes, I'd keep The Onsen bath in Zen on your list to try once at least.

I don't think it matters were you go, All places have good and bad girls, while it's down to the luck of the draw in many cases, I do think with experience you'll learn to choose well most of the time. Having said that you could take the same girl two days running and get a totally different experience. They could be happy, sad, sick, tired, Hungry, on period. God knows. They are all human just like ourselves, we could be happy or grumpy or narky sure too.

Last October on my trip I'd say 50% of my experiences were below par, so much so I decided I wasn't going to go back to BKK for a couple of years, I was quite disillusioned. Few months later I was back and I had a fabulous trip, I had 17 women and easily 15 of the 17 were memorable experiences. I did learn from past mistakes and used my experience, my intuition and took my time choosing.

In regard to 3 some's, I would go by the common tip, pick one girl and either let the girl herself or the Mamasan pick the 2nd girl for you, to ensure the two girls get along with each other.

If you go to the more high end joints like La Belle, they probably would act better (more professional) even if they don't particularly gel together.

A favourite place of mine for 3 some's is Pysche-dream but it's quite expensive.

Assuming you are looking for girl on girl action, then better to go for the more hardcore places (PSE) like Tulip or Snowwhite. If you aren't used to the more hardcore stuff, snowwhite is probably better, there are some cuties in there too but are well used to 3 somes, A+ action etc.

In BKK, looking to organize a nice Party / Orgy.

Hello,

I am in BKK from May 1st to May 28.

I am interested in organizing a nice free flot Orgy.

I would organize a nice Hotel Suite or Bungalow in BKK.

Nice Pool, nice Livingroom and good food.

And I think 4-5 Girls. All Day. Any recommendation appreciated.

We share the cost. Not more than 5 Guys.

Let me know who is interested.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3060407]CIT = Cum In Throat?[/QUOTE]Right down there baby, pumping it down!

I slowly cruised through the 7 Centre Point collection of outdoor beer bars on Sukhumvit Soi 7 last night starting around 8:45 pm and, as usual, was grabbed and pawed at by several girls among them along the way. Also as usual for that collection of bars my pleasant and encouraging question of every one of the above average looking and attractive ones, 4 of them, about whether they go with customers or only drink with customers was met with the usual sheepish reply of "Only drink" as though they had been busted trying to pull a little scam. I don't know what the below average lookers and unattractive ladies there who grabbed me might have replied because I didn't ask. I should also mention that the only above average lookers or attractive girls who tried to pull me into their bar area, all of whom said "No, I Don't Go With Customers, Only Drink With Customers", did politely and helpfully gesture towards other ladies in their bar who would go with customers if that is what I want, all of them too old, too fat or both to inspire me to follow up on their polite and helpful invitation. We're talking 50+ years old and at least 7-8 kilos over normal weight for their height.

I did make it a point to scan the options at Big be Bar and the current incarnation of Beer Garden bar. I was also reached out for and grabbed by ladies as I slowly passed by and can't say I saw anyone who wasn't too old, too fat or both to inspire me to risk asking the question. But it is always possible my timing was off on this Friday night in striking gold in those bars. The best ones might have already been taken. Maybe I will return at 7 pm some other Friday or Saturday night.

As I was leaving the area a large and quite English-fluent Ladyboy grabbed me in front of one of the Soi 7 side bars, identified himself as the manager of the bar we were standing in front of (I didn't catch the name of it) and asked me what I was looking for. I smiled and said I was simply looking for a young attractive genuine female who also goes with customers and not just sit to have lady drinks with customers. That seemed to stump him. He also scanned the girls in his bar, one or two of whom did indeed qualify in terms of looks, age, weight and gender, but he could not bring himself to suggest or recommend either of them. I have to assume they were Drink Only girls or he got an unspoken vibe from them that the idea of leaving the bar with me at some point in the evening was just not an acceptable option for them. I have no idea which or if it was something else.

On to Thermae.

Again, I got plenty of smiles and even 2-3 cautious reach outs from quite a few above average lookers in the place. My first stop was with a cutie sitting on a barstool who spoke English well, smiled and chuckled at my small talk intro. Yes to BBBJ but a reluctant and timid ok to the idea of a CIM finish. Absolute No to BBFS. I didn't bother including the all-important CIP part. 3,000 baht for Short Time, no budging. She was enticing, had a good look, as least as much as I could tell with her sitting on a barstool instead of standing, and seemed very enthusiastic about me taking her. But the absolute No to BBFS / CIP and reluctant response to the idea of me actually finishing a BJ orally convinced me this was going to be nothing better than a HJ with a little oral foreplay thrown in for 3000 baht even if with a very cute young lady. Which can sometimes be more disappointing to me than if we don't even get naked in the room together to have any kind of sex at all.

Second stop was a sultry, long dark-haired lady in mid 30's or so who also seemed delighted that I chatted with her. No to BBBJCIM and BBFSCIP, no money mentioned so I assume that was a No for even as much as 1,000,000 baht and lifetime support of her buffalo and children's children.

Third stop was a very attractive, slim but curvy, tallish, light-skinned model type with fine legs under a short skirt standing in the line up near the booths who I caught staring and smiling at me as I had been making my first and second stops. So I took a deep breath to start anew and went right over to her.

Not much English but enough. Name was P-something. I stopped asking her to repeat it after the 2nd attempt to hear it clearly in that godawful environment for meeting and negotiating something of value with a Thai P4 P girl in that venue. 3,000 for Short Time and No to BBBJCIM. Do I dare to even bother ask the next question? Yep. Yes to "boom boom no condom" for 5,000 baht. "Finiish inside" I stilulated. "6,000 baht" she responded with a giggle. I smiled and said "5,000 ok if I finish inside". She nodded and said "Yes, let's go."

Naked in my room, she was hot all over but unfortunately much more passive and mechanical than her demeanor in Thermae suggested it would be. Zero touching or kissing me or minimal affection in that way other than on the Business Only portions of the package between my legs. The plain vanilla BBFSCIP was technically Real Sex alright. But I'll have to give it some serious thought about whether or not to repeat. Especially for 5000. She did not ask for Payment Upfront in the room and was fine with waiting to be paid after. Imo that is a sign that she gives her customers little to no reason to ever want or try to cheat her out of payment afterwards.

Not exactly revelatory sex. But, hey, it has been years since an above average looker, in this case a vert attractive young lady, in Thermae has so much as agreed to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with me either upfront in the bar or at crunch time in the room and then to actually make good on the arrangement! At least technically, as it was.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3060407]CIT = Cum In Throat?[/QUOTE]CIT = Cum in Tits.

CIM = Cum in Mouth.

CIF = Cum in Face.

CIP = Cum in Pussy.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3057015]I believe that only doctors provide prescriptions and I have never seen a doctor working out of a pharmacy. So if you really need a scrip, easy advice is to go to Medconsult Clinic where Doctor Donna can both write you a prescription and dispense generic ED meds of your choice from thier in-house pharmacy. You can also use the WellMed Clinic as an alternative. Of course if you don't need a written script, then either Southeast Pharmacy or PS15 Pharmacy will dispense generics no questions asked. AR.[/QUOTE]Hey, thanks for the recommendation.

Visited their office (small, but functional), fast and easy. In and out in under 30 minutes.

Total Cost: 1860 Baht. Got more preventive / treatment drugs than I initially thought I'd get, plus ED meds and doctors prescription to cover them all.

Myanmar customs didn't check anything, still better to be safe.

[QUOTE=MikeL893;3060707]CIT = Cum in Tits.

CIM = Cum in Mouth.

CIF = Cum in Face.

CIP = Cum in Pussy.[/QUOTE]Nope. COT is cum on tits.

CIT is Cum in Throat. These two were like vacuum cleaners, young (looking) and skinny hardbodiess. I think I gave one like 2500 or 3000 for a BJ once simply because it was so good.

Hey guys,

Has anyone ever had an encounter with OF porn-star, Raysileeum? I have seen a couple of her ads and am wondering if it is worth it. TIA!

I have been to many if the nuru shops over several trips, and reached the following conclusions:

- the ones described as 'best' on the internet are only a few of the good ones and not always best.

- for example the praised La Bonita wants you to pay before seeing the girls in the flesh! Do not patronize them.

- and never choose on photos of the girls, they are always heavily enhanced.

- when it comes to the appearance of the girl on the websites, what really makes the difference between shops is mostly the degree and quality of the photo enhancements.

- it is not my opinion that the extra cost in the large brothels (e. G. La Belle) is worth the difference to what is available in shops if you search a bit.

- I found that strolling through areas with numerous shops such as Sukhumvit alley 33 is a good and effective search method, as many girls are sitting outside. You may find real gems this way, and you will pleasure your eyes.

- many less well known shops have cheaper options, such as BJ only or 30 min standard FS sessions.

- from the airport, the trip, search, deed, and return may take you only under 3 hrs. Count on 4 hrs and you are safe. I use the Cityline from the airport combined with the MRT and / or taxis.

As a result of these observations, I found such a gem at Sena Nuru (alley 33): the name of that wonderful, very young woman is Peach. She is offering excellent nuru and very good 100% GFE service. She is sexy and beautiful, with an angelic face, personable, easy going, and she gave me my best experience ever in BKK. Used to Latam, I had not found the girls overly attractive in these thai shops until I met her. I would strongly advise to opt for the nuru option with her, it is well worth it as a warm up and adds only THB400 to the total cost.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3060702]I slowly cruised through the 7 Centre Point collection of outdoor beer bars on Sukhumvit Soi 7 last night starting around 8:45 pm and, as usual, was grabbed and pawed at by several girls among them along the way. Also as usual for that collection of bars my pleasant and encouraging question of every one of the above average looking and attractive ones, 4 of them, about whether they go with customers or only drink with customers was met with the usual sheepish reply of "Only drink" as though they had been busted trying to pull a little scam. I don't know what the below average lookers and unattractive ladies there who grabbed me might have replied because I didn't ask. I should also mention that the only above average lookers or attractive girls who tried to pull me into their bar area, all of whom said "No, I Don't Go With Customers, Only Drink With Customers", did politely and helpfully gesture towards other ladies in their bar who would go with customers if that is what I want, all of them too old, too fat or both to inspire me to follow up on their polite and helpful invitation. We're talking 50+ years old and at least 7-8 kilos over normal weight for their height.

I did make it a point to scan the options at Big be Bar and the current incarnation of Beer Garden bar. I was also reached out for and grabbed by ladies as I slowly passed by and can't say I saw anyone who wasn't too old, too fat or both to inspire me to risk asking the question. But it is always possible my timing was off on this Friday night in striking gold in those bars. The best ones might have already been taken. Maybe I will return at 7 pm some other Friday or Saturday night.

As I was leaving the area a large and quite English-fluent Ladyboy grabbed me in front of one of the Soi 7 side bars, identified himself as the manager of the bar we were standing in front of (I didn't catch the name of it) and asked me what I was looking for. I smiled and said I was simply looking for a young attractive genuine female who also goes with customers and not just sit to have lady drinks with customers. That seemed to stump him. He also scanned the girls in his bar, one or two of whom did indeed qualify in terms of looks, age, weight and gender, but he could not bring himself to suggest or recommend either of them. I have to assume they were Drink Only girls or he got an unspoken vibe from them that the idea of leaving the bar with me at some point in the evening was just not an acceptable option for them. I have no idea which or if it was something else.

On to Thermae.

Again, I got plenty of smiles and even 2-3 cautious reach outs from quite a few above average lookers in the place. My first stop was with a cutie sitting on a barstool who spoke English well, smiled and chuckled at my small talk intro. Yes to BBBJ but a reluctant and timid ok to the idea of a CIM finish. Absolute No to BBFS. I didn't bother including the all-important CIP part. 3,000 baht for Short Time, no budging. She was enticing, had a good look, as least as much as I could tell with her sitting on a barstool instead of standing, and seemed very enthusiastic about me taking her. But the absolute No to BBFS / CIP and reluctant response to the idea of me actually finishing a BJ orally convinced me this was going to be nothing better than a HJ with a little oral foreplay thrown in for 3000 baht even if with a very cute young lady. Which can sometimes be more disappointing to me than if we don't even get naked in the room together to have any kind of sex at all.

Second stop was a sultry, long dark-haired lady in mid 30's or so who also seemed delighted that I chatted with her. No to BBBJCIM and BBFSCIP, no money mentioned so I assume that was a No for even as much as 1,000,000 baht and lifetime support of her buffalo and children's children.

Third stop was a very attractive, slim but curvy, tallish, light-skinned model type with fine legs under a short skirt standing in the line up near the booths who I caught staring and smiling at me as I had been making my first and second stops. So I took a deep breath to start anew and went right over to her.

Not much English but enough. Name was P-something. I stopped asking her to repeat it after the 2nd attempt to hear it clearly in that godawful environment for meeting and negotiating something of value with a Thai P4 P girl in that venue. 3,000 for Short Time and No to BBBJCIM. Do I dare to even bother ask the next question? Yep. Yes to "boom boom no condom" for 5,000 baht. "Finiish inside" I stilulated. "6,000 baht" she responded with a giggle. I smiled and said "5,000 ok if I finish inside". She nodded and said "Yes, let's go."

Naked in my room, she was hot all over but unfortunately much more passive and mechanical than her demeanor in Thermae suggested it would be. Zero touching or kissing me or minimal affection in that way other than on the Business Only portions of the package between my legs. The plain vanilla BBFSCIP was technically Real Sex alright. But I'll have to give it some serious thought about whether or not to repeat. Especially for 5000. She did not ask for Payment Upfront in the room and was fine with waiting to be paid after. Imo that is a sign that she gives her customers little to no reason to ever want or try to cheat her out of payment afterwards.

Not exactly revelatory sex. But, hey, it has been years since an above average looker, in this case a vert attractive young lady, in Thermae has so much as agreed to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with me either upfront in the bar or at crunch time in the room and then to actually make good on the arrangement! At least technically, as it was.

As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]I picked a simple but effective trick in a neighboring country to the south to elevate my odds of having quality alone with the lady. When I am in the negotiation stage I am very clear that if I am happy with the service I provide a tip at the end. Someone clued me into this one and it has improved service at least 50% of the time. I have not yet returned to Thailand but when I am next at Thermae I will try it out there.

[QUOTE=Lumens;3061402]I picked a simple but effective trick in a neighboring country to the south to elevate my odds of having quality alone with the lady. When I am in the negotiation stage I am very clear that if I am happy with the service I provide a tip at the end. Someone clued me into this one and it has improved service at least 50% of the time. I have not yet returned to Thailand but when I am next at Thermae I will try it out there.[/QUOTE]I can't tell you whether it makes a difference or not because I'm generally satisfied with the services I received and I generally promised tips. 30 years ago though, a 500 Baht tip mint a lot more to the girls.

[QUOTE=Lumens;3061402]When I am in the negotiation stage I am very clear that if I am happy with the service I [b]provide a tip[/b] at the end. Someone clued me into this one and it has [b]improved service at least 50%[/b] of the time. I have not yet returned to Thailand but when I am next at Thermae I will try it out there.[/QUOTE]When your goal is [U]certainty[/U] for specific services like BBFS, hoping for vague improvements at the rate of a coin flip doesn't cut it. If you want anything guaranteed beyond the expectation of CFS with Thermae girls, experience of many here is to negotiate precisely what you want. On your next trip, if you are using your nice guy tip promise to unlock BBFS, please do report on your actual success rate.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3060702]On to Thermae. Third stop was a very attractive, slim but curvy, tallish, light-skinned model type with fine legs under a short skirt standing in the line up near the booths who I caught staring and smiling at me as I had been making my first and second stops. So I took a deep breath to start anew and went right over to her. Not much English but enough. Name was P-something. I stopped asking her to repeat it after the 2nd attempt to hear it clearly in that godawful environment for meeting and negotiating something of value with a Thai P4 P girl in that venue. 3,000 for Short Time and No to BBBJCIM. Do I dare to even bother ask the next question? Yep. Yes to "boom boom no condom" for 5,000 baht. "Finiish inside" I stilulated. "6,000 baht" she responded with a giggle. I smiled and said "5,000 ok if I finish inside". She nodded and said "Yes, let's go."[/QUOTE]Sometimes you just have to have it. Key takeaway was the point on negotiating CIP as part of the BBFS deal. Sometimes just negotiating for "no condom" ends with a request to cum outside which IMHO entirely defeats the purpose.

[QUOTE=EihTooms]I'll have to give it some serious thought about whether or not to repeat. Especially for 5000.[/QUOTE]I had a cutie Laotian girl (young, very slim, no baby) that upsold from 3000 bhat to 4500 bhat to include BBFS. Her service was super meh, but did the job. On a subsequent encounter, she was keen for a repeat. I was too, but not at 4500 bhat for what would likely be meh service, so I showed her my phone with "3000 bhat" and she accepted (of course I confirmed BBFS was part of the deal). Abundance mentality helps for me. If she had refused, I would have been happy to leave it as I have a rolodex of repeat girls that will consistently rock my world for 3000 bhat (or less). Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=Oskarr1981;3061091]As a result of these observations, I found such a gem at Sena Nuru (alley 33): the name of that wonderful, very young woman is Peach. She is offering excellent nuru and very good 100% GFE service. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the good report. I have one question: how do you define GFE? To me, the minimum requirement for GFE is to include BBFS, CIP, and lots of DFK, hopefully at the same time with her arms and legs wrapped around me.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3061413]When your goal is [U]certainty[/U] for specific services like BBFS, hoping for vague improvements at the rate of a coin flip doesn't cut it. If you want anything guaranteed beyond the expectation of CFS with Thermae girls, experience of many here is to negotiate precisely what you want. On your next trip, if you are using your nice guy tip promise to unlock BBFS, please do report on your actual success rate.
[/QUOTE]Yeah. That not what I was talking about. Rather I was talking about this. Read it again.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3061413]
....Her service was super meh, but did the job. On a subsequent encounter, she was keen for a repeat. I was too, but not at 4500 bhat for what would likely be meh service, so I showed her my phone with "3000 bhat" and she accepted (of course I confirmed BBFS was part of the deal). Abundance mentality helps for me. If she had refused, I would have been happy to leave it as I have a rolodex of repeat girls that will consistently rock my world for 3000 bhat (or less). Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3061423]Thanks for the good report. I have one question: how do you define GFE? To me, the minimum requirement for GFE is to include BBFS, CIP, and lots of DFK, hopefully at the same time with her arms and legs wrapped around me.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't include CIP. Many loving couples use condoms regularly.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3061423]Thanks for the good report. I have one question: how do you define GFE? To me, the minimum requirement for GFE is to include BBFS, CIP, and lots of DFK, hopefully at the same time with her arms and legs wrapped around me.[/QUOTE]I think it is generally accepted globally that when escorts refer to GFE they do not mean or include BBFS or CIP. This is just the common meaning of the term, sure virtually every escort on any escort site in virtually every Country advertise GFE as an available service and at the same time we can guarantee the vast majority of them would not consider Bareback or sex without condom.

I think you already know this.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3061455]I wouldn't include CIP. Many loving couples use condoms regularly.[/QUOTE]That's why HorseTrader's question was critical for anyone recommending a P4P service provider based on her "very good 100% GFE service"; there is no universally objective definition for the term "GFE" the way there is for, say, BBBJ or CFS.

For you, a P4P girl could pull out a condom, insist on you wearing it and that might be 100% the same as a half dozen Girlfriends you have Experienced in your life.

For me, if a Girfriend of mine ever pulled out a condom and insisted I wear it she would be out the door looking for another Boyfriend in about 30 seconds.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3061455]I wouldn't include CIP. Many loving couples use condoms regularly.[/QUOTE]Not when the man is old as dirt and can't keep a decent hard-on or cum inside a condom. Yes, that would be me. Instead, I rely on vasectomy, doxy PreP, lots of STD testing, and some extra portraits of Rama X for the lady.

As recently as about 6 years ago I used a condom every time with professionals, I actually preferred using condoms because I could last longer. Those days are over for me.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3061480]Not when the man is old as dirt and can't keep a decent hard-on or cum inside a condom. Yes, that would be me. Instead, I rely on vasectomy, lots of STD testing, and some extra portraits of Rama X for the lady.

As recently as about 6 years ago I used a condom every time with professionals, I actually preferred using condom because I could last longer. Those days are over for me.[/QUOTE]I think the OPs point was that CIP has never been historically included when defining GFE. Seems the most wide usage is "includes DFK and BBBJ and feels authentic".

I don't disagree that bareback and CIP are desirable. Just not typically included in the GFE moniker.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3061469]I think it is generally accepted globally that when escorts refer to GFE they do not mean or include BBFS or CIP. This is just the common meaning of the term, sure virtually every escort on any escort site in virtually every Country advertise GFE as an available service and at the same time we can guarantee the vast majority of them would not consider Bareback or sex without condom.

I think you already know this.[/QUOTE]Every P4P girl can claim they provide "GFE" because it either doesn't mean anything at all or means whatever the girl or her customer thinks it means at the moment.

Does it mean providing DFK and / or BBBJ and doing it "authentically"? Escort girls who provide DFK and / or BBBJ already have terms for those things and state them on their profile; DFK and / or BBBJ. After already stating that they provide those things then what are we to think they mean by the additional term "GFE"?

Do we seriously believe the rare escort who doesn't include the freebie term "GFE" doesn't include it because they have examined their conscience and realized the attitude they throw down in the room is so bad nobody could mistake it for the way a Girlfriend would behave? LOL. I have to believe even hardened escorts know fully well that asserting they will provide a "GFE" will in the mind of many if not most punters that there is a better than zero chance Real Sex might occur in the room for the money. And that is what they hope the punter might assume.

And doing those things "authentically" according to whom? I have no idea how authentically somebody else's Girlfriends have ever treated them, with or without DFK, with or without BBBJ, with or without condoms, with or without so much as a smile and nice to know you. The fact that one particular P4 P girl made you feel as great as the last Girlfriend you had means nothing to me or anyone else.

On the other hand, if by the term "GFE" we discover a punter means she offered and provided DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP without discussion, hassle and resistance then I'm pretty sure every other punter on earth would consider that qualifies as "100% GFE" no matter what her inner feelings were about it or how "authentic" an actress she is when delivering it.

This is why asking anyone including the P4P girl or her customer who says there well be "100% GFE" what that term means to them is the right question to ask if you want to know anything at all about what is likely to happen in the room when everybody gets naked.

And don't get me started on why merely reporting a P4P provided BBFS is not the same as and does not tell anyone if she provided BBFSCIP in a world where plenty of P4P girls now cleverly agree to "BBFS" in order to get an upfront fee commitment but with every intention of wiggling and resisting at crunch time and stopping the "GFE" by demanding you pull out to finish on her stomach or launch into an entirely new money negotiation at the worst possible moment. LOL. There is BBFS and there is BBFSCIP. They are not the same thing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3061541]Every P4P girl can claim they provide "GFE" because it either doesn't mean anything at all or means whatever the girl or her customer thinks it means at the moment.

Does it mean providing DFK and / or BBBJ and doing it "authentically"? Escort girls who provide DFK and / or BBBJ already have terms for those things and state them on their profile; DFK and / or BBBJ. After already stating that they provide those things then what are we to think they mean by the additional term "GFE"?

Do we seriously believe the rare escort who doesn't include the freebie term "GFE" doesn't include it because they have examined their conscience and realized the attitude they throw down in the room is so bad nobody could mistake it for the way a Girlfriend would behave? LOL. I have to believe even hardened escorts know fully well that asserting they will provide a "GFE" will in the mind of many if not most punters that there is a better than zero chance Real Sex might occur in the room for the money. And that is what they hope the punter might assume..[/QUOTE]I think anyone who assumes GFE will include BBFS is just basically naïve to say the least. Sadly as we know there are a lot of naive punters out there as well as many sad lonely ones who really think the girl is going to fall in love with them.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3061649]I think anyone who assumes GFE will include BBFS is just basically nave to say the least. Sadly as we know there are a lot of naive punters out there as well as many sad lonely ones who really think the girl is going to fall in love with them.[/QUOTE]From my experience and from many Field Reports here one should probably be highly skeptical of every claim made on an online or onsite profile or menu, including her age, weight, that she provides DFK, BBBJ, DT, CIM and everything else.

The term GFE means absolutely nothing other than from girl to girl and customer to customer. I'd bet the farm if you asked an English-fluent Thai escort or online FL who claims to provide GFE what kind of service that is she would have zero coherent explanation for it other than to say something like, "Oh, I will be very nice to you. " Really? So all the other escorts and FLs who don't list GFE aren't even trying to do that with their customers? I suppose in some cases an escort or FL might mean she will go to dinner and a movie with you first. But I think every LT booking with a FL would include that if that's what you want to do with the lady while the clock is ticking.

The only way to know what it means to the girl is to ask her the same as you would ask a punter who says she provides 100% GFE. Otherwise, my guess is she just put it in her profile in hopes that a percentage of customers would book her or choose her on the mistaken assumption that something very special but NOT on the menu might happen between the two of you in bed. Yes, naive customers I suppose. But imo a P4 P girl who puts GFE on her profile is in some way playing on the naivety of some customers out there.

Now, let me see, what could she possibly be hoping a customer would think that very special unstated thing is after she has already explicitly stated on her profile that she provides DFK, BBBJ, DT, CIM, COT, FS, Anal, etc, etc? LOL. Why, if I didn't know better I might suspect that lady is hoping at least a few punters will mistakenly conclude something not mentioned like Real uncovered Sex could possibly happen with her if only you will book or choose her to find out. It might be the only thing missing from her list. Or, OK, maybe dinner and a movie first. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

As ET and others have pointed out, escort ads frequently claim they provide GFE, but nobody knows what they mean by GFE. Maybe it means nothing at all. We cannot change how escorts advertise.

What I hope we can change is how punters use the term GFE. I'd like to propose that anytime we use the term GFE that we also provide supplemental information such as BBBJ/CBJ, CFS/BBFS/BBFSCIP, DFK, teasing, nice emotional connection, whatever.

In November I met a go go girl who I've seen several times through March and I jokingly refer to her with my friends as "MyLove". She doesn't speak much English, she is a bit stand off ish, shares shower for cleanliness, is rather ordinary in bed for preliminaries (BBBJ, DATY, 69, etc). But during the main event it's BBBFS, girl initiated continuous DFK, arms and legs wrapped around my body until I finish inside. The sex is so great that I can only last a short time before I have an intense finish inside. A minute after I finish, she returns to her prior reserved personality, which feels far from GFE. So, MyLove provides my best sex of the decade, but feels a bit reserved when I'm not inside. So, is that GFE or not?

My last session in March was at Mango on Soi 24. The session was defiantly feeling romantic with BBBJ, but she required condom for FS. It turns out that she only needed extra lubrication (promise negative STD testing, vasectomy, 2000 baht for BBFS plus 1000 baht for CIP). After that, she was GFE in every sense of the term. So, my Mango girl was not a standard BBFSCIP GFE provider, but she easily converted herself to BBFSCIP GFE with the right encouragement.

I only encourage that punters reporting GFE provide supplemental information so we know what is actually provided. Let the advertisers post whatever they want.

GFE to me is when she screams "fuck my ass farang" over and over.

Was walking past Nana Hotel parking lot and noticed that the open spaces in their front sign have been boarded up. An improvement IMO as it will keep the girls standing rather than sitting crouched down playing with their phones, although I am not sure if that was the intention of the construction. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3061780]GFE to me is when she screams "fuck my ass farang" over and over.[/QUOTE]LOL.

I met a beauty in the elevator of my hotel a while ago. I way overpaid at 10 K, but it was still worth it.

I do mostly lurk here as I haven't been back to the land of smiles in 6 or 7 years, but folks often have this argument in the rest of the world, so I will have at it. Grab your flamethrowers as needed.

IMO, arguing about a definition for GFE is like two ticks arguing over who owns the dog. It would be nice to assume that GFE includes BBFS or BBFSCIP, which are definitely not the same, but I understand it's lady's choice.

From my own mongering history, GFE has generally taken the meaning of DFK, BBBJ and CFS. That and $7 will get you a large Americano at Starbucks. Hence the need to be more explicit. Personally, I like to use the terms GFE and PSE as descriptions of the lady's approach (like a girlfriend or attacking me like a pornstar). Yet another variation on meaning. So can be just be specific? She was a deadfish BBFSCIP (DFBBFSCIP?) or she was all over me actively trying to get me to go for round two, with CFS, or whatever. I love Eihtooms, necause he is explicit in his requests and descriptions. There are no questions.

Now for the kicker. I have had some girlfriends that were absolute crazy bee-yatches. Maybe that's what she means when she offers GFE. Maybe she means that GFE is you buy her dinner and a bunch of gifts, and leaves you with blue balls. You have no idea.

Can we just be clear when asking ladies what they are comfortable with, and then take a few extra minutes to describe the experience completely?

Thanks. Now flame away.

Hello all. I am heading to bankok soon and had a question. Is BBBJ common in Bangkok, or do alot of places enforcing CFS only? I am asking primarily about massage parlors around Sukhumvit 22 area.

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[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3061908]Hello all. I am heading to bankok soon and had a question. Is BBBJ common in Bangkok, or do alot of places enforcing CFS only? I am asking primarily about massage parlors around Sukhumvit 22 area.[/QUOTE]Dude you are conflating the terms. CFS refers to pussy sex. Aka fucking. CFS means covered full sex — specifically fucking with a condom. BBBJ of course is a BJ without a condom.

In Bangkok BBBJ and CFS are the standard offer imo. Any girl proposing CBJ can fuck off. BBFS (hope you can figure that out) is not standard but widely available, often with an upcharge.

[QUOTE=ShortStop;3061892]LOL.

I met a beauty in the elevator of my hotel a while ago. I way overpaid at 10 K, but it was still worth it.[/QUOTE]Dude, there is no such thing ass overpayment if it was worth it.

Rest assured, if you are in Dubai with a Russian supermodel tonguing your brown eye, you don't begrudge $5000.

Everything which I read about Bangkok says that the traffic is terrible. Use the BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway. It's fast and cheap. On the other hand, when I go on Google Maps every trip anywhere seems to be about an hour and a half with BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway and about 25 minutes by car. And this is even during busy rush hours. I realize that Grab costs more, $5 or $10 dollars, compared to about a dollar by the trains. However it doesn't sound worth it to me to spend an extra hour traveling to save a few bucks. So what is the reason for the obsession with the trains? Are they really so great?

I am renting an airbnb for two weeks beginning next Monday in the Chatuchak district. My plan is to focus on sidelines girls from [URL]https://fiwfan.app/.[/URL] They seem to clustered more or less in Lat Phrao, Bang Na and Lat Krabang districts. I don't plan on getting into the really central Sukhumvit area however this is my first time in Thailand, so you never know.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3062278]Everything which I read about Bangkok says that the traffic is terrible. Use the BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway. It's fast and cheap. On the other hand, when I go on Google Maps every trip anywhere seems to be about an hour and a half with BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway and about 25 minutes by car. And this is even during busy rush hours. I realize that Grab costs more, $5 or $10 dollars, compared to about a dollar by the trains. However it doesn't sound worth it to me to spend an extra hour traveling to save a few bucks. So what is the reason for the obsession with the trains? Are they really so great?

I am renting an airbnb for two weeks beginning next Monday in the Chatuchak district. My plan is to focus on sidelines girls from [URL]https://fiwfan.app/.[/URL] They seem to clustered more or less in Lat Phrao, Bang Na and Lat Krabang districts. I don't plan on getting into the really central Sukhumvit area however this is my first time in Thailand, so you never know.[/QUOTE]Believe me after a few days of experiencing the traffic you'll understand what everyone is talking about. I took a taxi from Sukhumvit 15 for 3.4 kilometers, google said 11 minutes, it took over 1 hour and that was at 14:30 in the daytime. It's horrendous. The issue for you there with trains is that you have chosen to stay out of the 'centre' so to speak.

Back home I'd walk 3 kilometers no problem, but I am not used to the stifling heat etc, so if I walked 3 km in Bangkok in the heat of mid-day I'd probably collapse and trying to get across many of the roads can be a challenge in itself.

Many members use the motorbikes, you have to have a certain mindset for it, too dangerous for me personally.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3062278]Everything which I read about Bangkok says that the traffic is terrible. Use the BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway. It's fast and cheap. On the other hand, when I go on Google Maps every trip anywhere seems to be about an hour and a half with BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway and about 25 minutes by car. And this is even during busy rush hours. I realize that Grab costs more, $5 or $10 dollars, compared to about a dollar by the trains. However it doesn't sound worth it to me to spend an extra hour traveling to save a few bucks. So what is the reason for the obsession with the trains? Are they really so great?

I am renting an airbnb for two weeks beginning next Monday in the Chatuchak district. My plan is to focus on sidelines girls from [URL]https://fiwfan.app/.[/URL] They seem to clustered more or less in Lat Phrao, Bang Na and Lat Krabang districts. I don't plan on getting into the really central Sukhumvit area however this is my first time in Thailand, so you never know.[/QUOTE]Why would you travel all the way to Thailand evidently just to manga and not go to the major Monger places. You're not going to be happy with few fans, especially if it's your first trip to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3062289]Why would you travel all the way to Thailand evidently just to manga and not go to the major Monger places. You're not going to be happy with few fans, especially if it's your first trip to Thailand.[/QUOTE]100% agree! I travel all over the world and see girls in different countries. If there is one piece of advice I consistently give it's "do what the country offers best — don't deviate and don't force fit!

For example in Germany it's the FKK. Don't fuck around with escorts or whatever. Go to the FKK. In Brasil is the Boate and CLínicas. Don't fuck around with other stuff. Colombia is strangely a Facebook scene. Do that!

So in Bangkok do the gogos and the soapies / massage. Don't fuck around with things that aren't Bangkoks strengths. Stay in the lane and you will be more than happy.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3062287]Many members use the motorbikes, you have to have a certain mindset for it, too dangerous for me personally.[/QUOTE]I'm a motorcycle rider and I've travelled in many SE Asia countries. I can safely say that Bangkok is a difficult city even for experienced riders. Too many scooters, too many traffic lights and worst of all, corrupt police officers. There hasn't been a single trip where I wasn't stopped for some BS reason. I can usually get away but in my last trip, I unknowingly stopped right on the white line at traffic lights and a cop appeared on top of me in an instant. They threatened me with a hefty fine, so I had to pay 800 baht to get away. That's tourist tax for you.

Best way to get around is moto taxis IMO. Just use Grab or Bolt. It's significantly cheaper and faster than any other form of transportation.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3062278]Everything which I read about Bangkok says that the traffic is terrible. Use the BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway. It's fast and cheap. On the other hand, when I go on Google Maps every trip anywhere seems to be about an hour and a half with BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway and about 25 minutes by car. And this is even during busy rush hours. I realize that Grab costs more, $5 or $10 dollars, compared to about a dollar by the trains. However it doesn't sound worth it to me to spend an extra hour traveling to save a few bucks. So what is the reason for the obsession with the trains? Are they really so great?

I am renting an airbnb for two weeks beginning next Monday in the Chatuchak district. My plan is to focus on sidelines girls from [URL]https://fiwfan.app/.[/URL] They seem to clustered more or less in Lat Phrao, Bang Na and Lat Krabang districts. I don't plan on getting into the really central Sukhumvit area however this is my first time in Thailand, so you never know.[/QUOTE]Google Maps has some strange issues with timing the public transport in Bangkok. It told me it would take 1:45 from the airport to Sukhumvit (Asok) using ARL and MRT. It took me just 45 minutes. I keep getting much higher times from it for the BTS as well. I stopped trusting it.

[QUOTE=JLifesOn;3062306]Google Maps has some strange issues with timing the public transport in Bangkok. It told me it would take 1:45 from the airport to Sukhumvit (Asok) using ARL and MRT. It took me just 45 minutes. I keep getting much higher times from it for the BTS as well. I stopped trusting it.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. Thank you.

[QUOTE=JLifesOn;3062306]Google Maps has some strange issues with timing the public transport in Bangkok. It told me it would take 1:45 from the airport to Sukhumvit (Asok) using ARL and MRT. It took me just 45 minutes. I keep getting much higher times from it for the BTS as well. I stopped trusting it.[/QUOTE]I use Movit instead and has been quite accurate.

Maps uses data from users on the roads to calculate speeds and detect traffic jams. It works well on us highways but not so good on city streets. Besides not too many people in Bangkok use Maps to navigate so data is inaccurate.

I was staying in Sukhumvit Soi 4. It always took 20 to 30 min for Grab bikes just to show up day or night, longer for cars. No way car is faster than BTS MTR. It took a Grab car 1.5 hours at 7 PM to drive from Soi 4 to soi 55, about 20 blocks.

The fastest way is BTS MTR to the nearest station, then book Grab bikes short trips to the girls hotels.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3062378]Maps uses data from users on the roads to calculate speeds and detect traffic jams. It works well on us highways but not so good on city streets. Besides not too many people in Bangkok use Maps to navigate so data is inaccurate.

I was staying in Sukhumvit Soi 4. It always took 20 to 30 min for Grab bikes just to show up day or night, longer for cars. No way car is faster than BTS MTR. It took a Grab car 1.5 hours at 7 PM to drive from Soi 4 to soi 55, about 20 blocks.

The fastest way is BTS MTR to the nearest station, then book Grab bikes short trips to the girls hotels.[/QUOTE]Should have been in Bangkok when it was paper maps.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3062651]Should have been in Bangkok when it was paper maps.[/QUOTE]Who needs maps? I just let my penis guide me. (famous last words, am I right?

I'm intrigued by Psyche Dream, especially the school classroom setting, but can anybody recommend if paying for a second girl is worth it? The place isn't cheap.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3062651]Should have been in Bangkok when it was paper maps.[/QUOTE]I really liked the slick-coated pocket tourist maps of Bangkok they used to hand out for free at the airport and tourist info kiosks around town. The material was slick and water-resistant enough to unfold and hold it over my head to keep my hair dry in an unexpected light rain. Holding my smartphone over my head is a poor substitute for that purpose.

[QUOTE=MadHatter00;3063109]I'm intrigued by Psyche Dream, especially the school classroom setting, but can anybody recommend if paying for a second girl is worth it? The place isn't cheap.[/QUOTE]It's really down to you if you can afford it or not? I've been there twice and enjoyed it both times. It's not the type of place you'd visit frequently at those prices but the girls do give good service.

It's down to your own expectations as well, they do the settings well and have a story-line but I do it for a laugh really and something a bit different, you can take it too seriously.

I did the Prison which I'd recommend and the classroom. The Manager actually recommended me not to do the 'dormitory'. I got two girls each time an A & S at 10 k. Do watch out they'll try and sell you some addon's which I think were worthless.

I am going to go back to try the airplane next time with one girl for 5 k. But it really should be just a airplane toilet you do it in rather than a luxury private jet cabin. See my mindset is more about the humor of it.

If you like a bit of fantasy and won't miss the money, I'd recommend it once at least. I did actually write quite a detailed report about my trip to it last time but the mods obviously didn't like something I wrote as it got deleted. Maybe it was, if you go after dark when you come back out from the centre onto the street watch out for the 'rats'. There are a couple of dodgy restaurants at the street level who throw all their rubbish out the front. The place by the way is opposite the old 'route 66' club which is a good landmark if you are getting a taxi / bike / grab etc. Just note as well if you go in a car that is not got 'taxi' written on it, it's a private road with a toll. About 20 baht I think but the private bolt / grab drivers freak out at this. It's best to get them to leave you at the top of the road and walk down.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3063124]I really liked the slick-coated pocket tourist maps of Bangkok they used to hand out for free at the airport and tourist info kiosks around town. The material was slick and water-resistant enough to unfold and hold it over my head to keep my hair dry in an unexpected light rain. Holding my smartphone over my head is a poor substitute for that purpose.[/QUOTE]Now those were the good old days!

[QUOTE=Elario;3060159]Try this spot. I was there recently and they really did an amazing job and had a few nice ladies to choose. Traditional nuru.

[URL]https://www.hakumimassage.com[/URL]

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/XmE5gnHiMimN8QQM8[/URL][/QUOTE]I went in without an appointment. Mama was a little surprised I didn't have an appointment and gave me three choices based on the ipad photos (likely heavily filtered). A couple of other guys came in after me without appointments also.

Per the title, I had a quite meh experience. At one point when she was kneeling between my legs doing manual service, I looked up and she was watching her phone, which was laid next to me on the bed. I told her, hey you can't do that. 5 minutes later I looked up again and same thing. So I flipped her phone over and moved it out of her reach. She was not attractive nor charming enough to get me revved up by looking at and interacting with her. When I left Mama asked how was it, and I grimaced and shook my head, at which she seemed a bit (fake?) distressed. I didn't give her the details, I just wanted to get out of there and put it behing me.

My understanding is that many of these places are Korean-owned, perhaps that is common knowledge?

At that particular place, the customer demographic seemed to be younger asian guys, 25-35 years old, they looked very much like mild-mannered office / tech etc workers. I saw a lot of those types around Sukhumvit, which is quite a change from 20 years ago. That shouldn't surprise me, everything changes over time.

I arrived here in Bangkok on Monday. After I leave I plan on giving a full report. However I want to post about a really bad experience which I had yesterday. I went on [URL]https://fiwfan.app/[/URL] (more precisely I used the Android app). It looked amazing. I sent a message to a beautiful girl and agreed to 3000 baht for two hours. I called a Grab taxi and hustled right over. She was on the third floor of Ratchada 17 Place. A woman opens the door and let's me in. She is quite friendly. She grabbed my crouch and said "Oh big!" However it's not the girl in the photo. I pointed this out to her. She said that I am right and she directed me to a different room on the same floor. A woman let me in. It's still not the right woman. I went down into the lobby and messaged another beautiful girl in that building. I went up to meet her. Also not the girl in the photo. Then I messaged another girl in that building. She was advertised as being Chinese, verified, she had positive reviews. I went upstairs to meet her. It's not the girl in the photos. And she's not Chinese. And she seemed to be annoyed that I was there and explained that I could not kiss her mouth or breasts. Which was fine. I didn't want to either.

After that I gave up and since Poseidon Entertainment Complex was just down the street, I went in there. I paid 10,560 baht for an hour with a beautiful girl. She was a nice person, 24, single mom but very attractive however I didn't feel that she was physically attracted to me. We basically just lied in bed naked and had a nice chat via Google translate. However she gave me her phone number. Maybe she started warming up to me. She said she would like to keep in touch.

So I have two questions. Are sideline girls typically such disasters? Or maybe just that particular location is totally a scam? Secondly, I am 65 but I am told that I look good for my age. But I am 65. I have found that on a scale of 1 to 10, 9 or 10 level girls don't seem to be attracted to me. However very nice, attractive 7 and 8's are. Is that a common thing? That the really top girls even if paid well don't really get passionate with average guys?

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063441]I arrived here in Bangkok on Monday. After I leave I plan on giving a full report. However I want to post about a really bad experience which I had yesterday. I went on [URL]https://fiwfan.app/[/URL] (more precisely I used the Android app). It looked amazing. I sent a message to a beautiful girl and agreed to 3000 baht for two hours. I called a Grab taxi and hustled right over. She was on the third floor of Ratchada 17 Place. A woman opens the door and let's me in. She is quite friendly. She grabbed my crouch and said "Oh big!" However it's not the girl in the photo. I pointed this out to her. She said that I am right and she directed me to a different room on the same floor. A woman let me in. It's still not the right woman. I went down into the lobby and messaged another beautiful girl in that building. I went up to meet her. Also not the girl in the photo. Then I messaged another girl in that building. She was advertised as being Chinese, verified, she had positive reviews. I went upstairs to meet her. It's not the girl in the photos. And she's not Chinese. And she seemed to be annoyed that I was there and explained that I could not kiss her mouth or breasts. Which was fine. I didn't want to either.

After that I gave up and since Poseidon Entertainment Complex was just down the street, I went in there. I paid 10,560 baht for an hour with a beautiful girl. She was a nice person, 24, single mom but very attractive however I didn't feel that she was physically attracted to me. We basically just lied in bed naked and had a nice chat via Google translate. However she gave me her phone number. Maybe she started warming up to me. She said she would like to keep in touch.

So I have two questions. Are sideline girls typically such disasters? Or maybe just that particular location is totally a scam? Secondly, I am 65 but I am told that I look good for my age. But I am 65. I have found that on a scale of 1 to 10, 9 or 10 level girls don't seem to be attracted to me. However very nice, attractive 7 and 8's are. Is that a common thing? That the really top girls even if paid well don't really get passionate with average guys?[/QUOTE]Unless you live in BangkokFiw fans is a waste Iof time. You're in Thailand bro the girls will be physically attracted to your money. You're not there for love. Use Google Translate and tell her to pretend to like you and you'll tip 500 b.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063441]

After that I gave up and since Poseidon Entertainment Complex was just down the street, I went in there. I paid 10,560 baht for an hour with a beautiful girl. She was a nice person, 24, single mom but very attractive however I didn't feel that she was physically attracted to me. We basically just lied in bed naked and had a nice chat via Google translate. However she gave me her phone number. Maybe she started warming up to me. She said she would like to keep in touch.[/QUOTE]Hi, I am sorry to hear you did not have experiences that were up to your liking. Unfortunately, this has happened to all of us. I would not let it get you down.

You will never click with every lady you meet. Moreover, the first one seemed like a true bait and switch scenario and anyone would have been disappointed by what happened. I would have walked out also.

I did want to politely ask very diplomatically, did you just "talk and lie next" to the lady in Poseidon? I have never been to Bangkok, but I have read very good reviews of Poseidon. Is it just a massage place and you pay for the company of the lady and nothing else happens?

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063441]I arrived here in Bangkok on Monday. After I leave I plan on giving a full report. However I want to post about a really bad experience which I had yesterday. I went on [URL]https://fiwfan.app/[/URL] (more precisely I used the Android app). It looked amazing. I sent a message to a beautiful girl and agreed to 3000 baht for two hours. I called a Grab taxi and hustled right over. She was on the third floor of Ratchada 17 Place. A woman opens the door and let's me in. She is quite friendly. She grabbed my crouch and said "Oh big!" However it's not the girl in the photo. I pointed this out to her. She said that I am right and she directed me to a different room on the same floor. A woman let me in. It's still not the right woman. I went down into the lobby and messaged another beautiful girl in that building. I went up to meet her. Also not the girl in the photo. Then I messaged another girl in that building. She was advertised as being Chinese, verified, she had positive reviews. I went upstairs to meet her. It's not the girl in the photos. And she's not Chinese. [/QUOTE]Ratchada 17.

In my experience. If it Wattana Hotel then those place always bait and switch. Even the girls do not know what website and their name they use for listing.

Went there 4 times and only one that I was ok with the girl. The other 3 was wasted of time. I had to walk out. (That's mean they are on my 3-4-5's rating).

So, I will not go there any more.

Do not expected the girl will look like the same as pictures. Pics always heavy filters or even photoshop.

The old Fiwfan was took down around 2024 and it will never be the same.

Now, it is very hard to find an attractive girls in their early 20's. Most of them are late 20's or even 30's. Back in 2023 I found plenty of early 20's girls from Fiwfan but not any more.

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3063446]I did want to politely ask very diplomatically, did you just "talk and lie next" to the lady in Poseidon? I have never been to Bangkok, but I have read very good reviews of Poseidon. Is it just a massage place and you pay for the company of the lady and nothing else happens?[/QUOTE]Poseidon is a brothel period. It's sex, however vaginal penetration will require a condom. Also it's expensive and it's set up in a sort of unusual way. In my limited experience in brothels all the women are the same price. Not at Poseidon. I was introduced to a group of beautiful women, they all looked similar to me, however each one has a tag with some kind of abbreviation on it like SS, MM, etc. I don't remember exactly. Then the manager, it was a nice middle aged Thai man, showed me the list. Each abbreviation means a different price per hour. The woman I chose I believe was mid-range. 10,000 baht. She led me off to a nice room containing a bathtub and a bed. We took a bath together, I think that's mandatory, and then went to the bed. I had two problems. Number 1 I forgot to take Cialis before going there. I'm 65. Number 2, she didn't seem to be attracted to me. I would say 90% of sex workers who I have met over the years, and there have been many, seemed quite passionate. This girl was polite but no chemistry. I would not go back, mainly because of the price. 3000 an hour, ok. I might take another crack at it but not 10,000. However if money is no object, then I would say go for it. There are real beauties there and you might have a great time.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063441]I arrived here in Bangkok on Monday. After I leave I plan on giving a full report. However I want to post about a really bad experience which I had yesterday. I went on [URL]https://fiwfan.app/[/URL] (more precisely I used the Android app). It looked amazing. I sent a message to a beautiful girl and agreed to 3000 baht for two hours. I called a Grab taxi and hustled right over. She was on the third floor of Ratchada 17 Place. A woman opens the door and let's me in. She is quite friendly. She grabbed my crouch and said "Oh big!" However it's not the girl in the photo. I pointed this out to her. She said that I am right and she directed me to a different room on the same floor. A woman let me in. It's still not the right woman. I went down into the lobby and messaged another beautiful girl in that building. I went up to meet her. Also not the girl in the photo. Then I messaged another girl in that building. She was advertised as being Chinese, verified, she had positive reviews. I went upstairs to meet her. It's not the girl in the photos. And she's not Chinese. And she seemed to be annoyed that I was there and explained that I could not kiss her mouth or breasts. Which was fine. I didn't want to either.

After that I gave up and since Poseidon Entertainment Complex was just down the street, I went in there. I paid 10,560 baht for an hour with a beautiful girl. She was a nice person, 24, single mom but very attractive however I didn't feel that she was physically attracted to me. We basically just lied in bed naked and had a nice chat via Google translate. However she gave me her phone number. Maybe she started warming up to me. She said she would like to keep in touch.[/QUOTE]To be fair, it was suggested before to you to read the forum and if you had bothered you would have been well aware of the problems with Fiwfan girls. It's hard to have any sympathy for you to be honest.

Can someone explain how Gogo bars work: what's the process, what to expect, how do I take my time to check out all the woman carefully and not get rushed into picking, best time of the day to go? If you could only choose 1 Gogo bar to visit, which would it be? I'm wiling to pay up to $5 k baht (but ideally less obviously).

I'm assuming someone has already explained this somewhere, so a link to that post would be great. Yes, I know some of you will say "read the forums" but searching for "gogo bars" yields way too many results to sift through.

[QUOTE=MadHatter00;3063512]Can someone explain how Gogo bars work: what's the process, what to expect, how do I take my time to check out all the woman carefully and not get rushed into picking, best time of the day to go? If you could only choose 1 Gogo bar to visit, which would it be? I'm wiling to pay up to $5 k baht (but ideally less obviously).

I'm assuming someone has already explained this somewhere, so a link to that post would be great. Yes, I know some of you will say "read the forums" but searching for "gogo bars" yields way too many results to sift through.[/QUOTE]10 minutes daily reading of "Bangkok Reports" will get you everything you need to know in a week. Read only the posts related to go go bar experiences. Regarding cost, 5000 baht nightly is the minimum to expect when pulling from Nana Plaza:

- 1000 drinks and tips in the go go bar.
- 1000 bar fine.
- 3000 to girl (60 minutes in your hotel room, BBBJ, CFS).

I tend to spend more, but I've been renting young, slim, pretty, DFK, CIP.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3063558]10 minutes daily reading of "Bangkok Reports" will get you everything you need to know in a week. Read only the posts related to go go bar experiences. Regarding cost, 5000 baht nightly is the minimum to expect when pulling from Nana Plaza:

- 1000 drinks and tips in the go go bar.
- 1000 bar fine.
- 3000 to girl (60 minutes in your hotel room, BBBJ, CFS).

I tend to spend more, but I've been renting young, slim, pretty, DFK, CIP.[/QUOTE]What do you usually pay for CIP and etc? TIA.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3063558]10 minutes daily reading of "Bangkok Reports" will get you everything you need to know in a week. Read only the posts related to go go bar experiences. Regarding cost, 5000 baht nightly is the minimum to expect when pulling from Nana Plaza:

- 1000 drinks and tips in the go go bar.
- 1000 bar fine.
- 3000 to girl (60 minutes in your hotel room, BBBJ, CFS).

I tend to spend more, but I've been renting young, slim, pretty, DFK, CIP.[/QUOTE]And how much does it change with Low Season starting?

[QUOTE=MadHatter00;3063512] If you could only choose 1 Gogo bar to visit, which would it be? I'm wiling to pay up to $5 k baht (but ideally less obviously).[/QUOTE]There's plenty in Nana Plaza. I've always had a good time at Lollipop. The mamasan is very nice and it's run by an ex-pat from USA.

These places are pretty much the same - 20-30 girls vying for your attention and when you're ready, you just pick one out (ask the mamasan) and then you're free to chat with them over a drink or two and see if you want to continue to the next step. Which is pound-town.

Quality of girls is subjective. Each place is going to have their top stars. Best to not go purely off of looks is my advice. You could have the hottest girl in the club but she may have an attitude or a princess complex. I typically go for 7-8 in terms of looks but with great personality and someone is looking to please you from the get go. Good luck.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3063484]To be fair, it was suggested before to you to read the forum and if you had bothered you would have been well aware of the problems with Fiwfan girls. It's hard to have any sympathy for you to be honest.[/QUOTE]I really have been reading a lot here on this forum. I saw this.

Will have a transit night in BKK on my return leg from Angeles City, seriously thinking about staying at a FIWFAN hotel. If you don't know what I mean, on FIWFAN you'll find a number of ladies stay at the same hotel and some of them are fairly decent (passable for a 16 hour lay-over) 3 Star hotels. This was just posted on 04-13-26 03:47.

So I thought: Awesome. I am heading straight over to one of those hotels. And it was a horror show.

But live and learn.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063619]I really have been reading a lot here on this forum. I saw this.

Will have a transit night in BKK on my return leg from Angeles City, seriously thinking about staying at a FIWFAN hotel. If you don't know what I mean, on FIWFAN you'll find a number of ladies stay at the same hotel and some of them are fairly decent (passable for a 16 hour lay-over) 3 Star hotels. This was just posted on 04-13-26 03:47.

So I thought: Awesome. I am heading straight over to one of those hotels. And it was a horror show.

But live and learn.[/QUOTE]That was my post. On FIWFAN you need to screen out agency ladies (easy to do, as they all have the same formatted profile and same hotel), then screen for independent ladies by contacting them on LINE and doing a video call. You'll find a few hotels (1-Star at best) that college ladies will be using as dorms and will have other ladies (maybe in the same room) that are trying to make an extra buck.

This is all in theory, as haven't done / decided to do this. Anyways, FIWFAN is definitely a mine field and staying at sketchy hotels is a pungi stick infested jungle.

[QUOTE=MadHatter00;3063512]Can someone explain how Gogo bars work: what's the process, what to expect, how do I take my time to check out all the woman carefully and not get rushed into picking, best time of the day to go? If you could only choose 1 Gogo bar to visit, which would it be? I'm wiling to pay up to $5 k baht (but ideally less obviously).

I'm assuming someone has already explained this somewhere, so a link to that post would be great. Yes, I know some of you will say "read the forums" but searching for "gogo bars" yields way too many results to sift through.[/QUOTE]Butterflies would be in your price range, though just barely. About not getting rushed, just don't get rushed. If a mamasan tries to choose a girl for you, just tell her that you'the prefer to pick your own, and that you're a little slow. Don't accidentally order a double drink for a girl. Just enjoy yourself, the girls are very pretty and many are very nice. For slightly more money, Red Dragon is nice. Show up between 8:30 snd 9:00 to get the best choice. It may be a little slow at first, but it'll soon pick up.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063476]Poseidon is a brothel period. It's sex, however vaginal penetration will require a condom. Also it's expensive and it's set up in a sort of unusual way. In my limited experience in brothels all the women are the same price. Not at Poseidon. I was introduced to a group of beautiful women, they all looked similar to me, however each one has a tag with some kind of abbreviation on it like SS, MM, etc. I don't remember exactly. Then the manager, it was a nice middle aged Thai man, showed me the list. Each abbreviation means a different price per hour. The woman I chose I believe was mid-range. 10,000 baht. She led me off to a nice room containing a bathtub and a bed. We took a bath together, I think that's mandatory, and then went to the bed. I had two problems. Number 1 I forgot to take Cialis before going there. I'm 65. Number 2, she didn't seem to be attracted to me. I would say 90% of sex workers who I have met over the years, and there have been many, seemed quite passionate. This girl was polite but no chemistry. I would not go back, mainly because of the price. 3000 an hour, ok. I might take another crack at it but not 10,000. However if money is no object, then I would say go for it. There are real beauties there and you might have a great time.[/QUOTE]I might suggest La Belle instead. There's a range of girls there, too, nut much less expensive. In general, the girls are really nice. Tell a manager what you're looking for, and ask for advice.

[QUOTE=Hooky;3063344] I looked up and she was watching her phone, which was laid next to me on the bed. I told her, hey you can't do that. 5 minutes later I looked up again and same thing. So I flipped her phone over and moved it out of her reach.[/QUOTE]This, and the one hand on phone massage is increasing in frequency IMHO. I no longer go to massage places for this reason alone.

[QUOTE=MadHatter00;3063512]Can someone explain how Gogo bars work: what's the process, what to expect, how do I take my time to check out all the woman carefully and not get rushed into picking, best time of the day to go? If you could only choose 1 Gogo bar to visit, which would it be? I'm wiling to pay up to $5 k baht (but ideally less obviously).

I'm assuming someone has already explained this somewhere, so a link to that post would be great. Yes, I know some of you will say "read the forums" but searching for "gogo bars" yields way too many results to sift through.[/QUOTE]Why only 5? What if a stunner wants 5.5? What if the most beautiful girl you've ever seen in your life says give me six and I'll eat your ass until you scream?

[QUOTE=MikeL893;3063583]There's plenty in Nana Plaza. I've always had a good time at Lollipop. The mamasan is very nice and it's run by an ex-pat from USA.

These places are pretty much the same - 20-30 girls vying for your attention and when you're ready, you just pick one out (ask the mamasan) and then you're free to chat with them over a drink or two and see if you want to continue to the next step. Which is pound-town.

Quality of girls is subjective. Each place is going to have their top stars. Best to not go purely off of looks is my advice. You could have the hottest girl in the club but she may have an attitude or a princess complex. I typically go for 7-8 in terms of looks but with great personality and someone is looking to please you from the get go. Good luck.[/QUOTE]That shows how personalized the Thailand experience can be. I hate lollipops, I think the owner is an asshole, the girls second grade and the mama son pushy. But, everybody has their own opinion. I'm a billboard guy, rainbow five and occasionally twister for young stuff.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3063661]That shows how personalized the Thailand experience can be. I hate lollipops, I think the owner is an asshole, the girls second grade and the mama son pushy. But, everybody has their own opinion. I'm a billboard guy, rainbow five and occasionally twister for young stuff.[/QUOTE]Indeed. LOL. For many first timers entering Nana Plaza, Lollipop is the first establishment that they come into contact with, so for me, that was my first foray into this hobby. The "marketing team" outside of that bar left an impression on me and we entered and were able to enjoy good vibes on that maiden voyage and on subsequent visits. Moral of the story. Most of these places are similar, find a spot that's right for you.

I'm trying to remember a gogo bar I wandered into and had a good time at. It was late Summer, 2022.

I'm 70% certain its on the 2nd floor, southwest corner, near top of escalator / stairwell. After two hours drinking beer at Spanky's I wandered into a smaller gogo. Where Spanky's is dark with neon lighting, this place is maybe half the size, not as dark and with red decor everywhere. A lot can change in four years and this place may no longer be there. I just remember stumbling in and having a tiny, early-thirties, hot firecracker sit on my lap and shove her tongue in my mouth. It was a good time and I'm wanting to find out if this place is still there as I prepare for my next BKK visit.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063619]

So I thought: Awesome. I am heading straight over to one of those hotels. And it was a horror show.

[/QUOTE]We want details Texas. Tell us about the horror.

I once booked a hotel on Agoda for a week that was actually a LOVE hotel in Saigon. From the pics it looked liked a regular hotel. I arrived and it was so gross I ghosted them. They seemed to expect it. I asked to see the room before paying, and the first thing I did when entering the room was to go wash my hands. The sink drained straight on to the floor! I picked up my bags and didn't say a word other than to hand them the room key and walk.

As far as FIWfan hotels. I have been tempted to stay at a hotel NEAR a FIWfan location. Lee Garden on Onnut 10 in Bangkok is walking distance to a couple of business hotels by the metro station. 8 or 10 minutes? My thought was to visit 5 or 6 girls in Lee Garden, and get their LINE. Then pay my favorites to come to my hotel in the morning before they start work. I'm retired so I can play the long game.

Fargler.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3063444]Unless you live in BangkokFiw fans is a waste Iof time. You're in Thailand bro the girls will be physically attracted to your money. You're not there for love. Use Google Translate and tell her to pretend to like you and you'll tip 500 b.[/QUOTE]Looks like you missed the part where he tells us he looks good for his age.

I too am wondering why 20 year old 9's and 10's are not physically attracted to his 65 year old ass during their time off from modeling. The delulu is strong in this one.

[QUOTE=Fjrk76;3063748]I'm trying to remember a gogo bar I wandered into and had a good time at. It was late Summer, 2022.

I'm 70% certain its on the 2nd floor, southwest corner, near top of escalator / stairwell. After two hours drinking beer at Spanky's I wandered into a smaller gogo. Where Spanky's is dark with neon lighting, this place is maybe half the size, not as dark and with red decor everywhere. A lot can change in four years and this place may no longer be there. I just remember stumbling in and having a tiny, early-thirties, hot firecracker sit on my lap and shove her tongue in my mouth. It was a good time and I'm wanting to find out if this place is still there as I prepare for my next BKK visit.[/QUOTE]That place wasn't all girls last time I looked.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3063832]Looks like you missed the part where he tells us he looks good for his age.

I too am wondering why 20 year old 9's and 10's are not physically attracted to his 65 year old ass during their time off from modeling. The delulu is strong in this one.[/QUOTE]I consider myself in the looks class to be equivalent to I wouldn't want to fuck anyone who would have sex with me, so I make sure that the reward is large with tips for performance.

If I'm in the mood, I pay them to say they love me instead of fuck me daddy.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;3063627]I might suggest La Belle instead. There's a range of girls there, too, nut much less expensive. In general, the girls are really nice. Tell a manager what you're looking for, and ask for advice.[/QUOTE]Hi, I have read positive comments about LaBelle. I have also heard of Tara, Maria's, Black Caviar and Poseidon. I had a question. Is it better to stick to one of these establishments if you are there on a multi-day trip to build some rapport with the managers to try all of them?

[QUOTE=Fargler;3063810]We want details Texas. Tell us about the horror.[/QUOTE]I thought that I made that clear. The profile photos were totally fictional and the actual women were unattractive to me. This was my experience at Ratchada 17 Place.

368, Soi Inthamara 47, Dindaeng, Ratchada, Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand, 10400.

If anyone knows of a really good fiwfans hotel I would love to hear about it.

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3063945]Hi, I have read positive comments about LaBelle. I have also heard of Tara, Maria's, Black Caviar and Poseidon. I had a question. Is it better to stick to one of these establishments if you are there on a multi-day trip to build some rapport with the managers to try all of them?[/QUOTE]Alternatively, the service level will go down because they already have you hooked in.

I have a 2 x limit. Last year or the year before, I smashed one out of Thermae, fabulous big tit tiny framed hardbody that took a face fucking like a champ. Two weeks later, I came back to BKK, and pummeled her ass like a pornstar scene (well, a short one LOL). Then I was gone for a bit but kept in touch, she told me she liked to carpet munch so we discussed a threesome. Flew to Bangkok and it was like banging a Detroit street ho in an alley, wham bam.

Now no pussy is bad pussy unless it is smelly or diseased, but I ate the airfare, as least as to her. I think the next day I got one out of Billboard.

I've been at this game for over 60 years. Here is a rule: Even if she is the best and hottest you have ever had, that's as of today and there will be a better one tomorrow.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063991]I thought that I made that clear. The profile photos were totally fictional and the actual women were unattractive to me. This was my experience at Ratchada 17 Place.

368, Soi Inthamara 47, Dindaeng, Ratchada, Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand, 10400.

If anyone knows of a really good fiwfans hotel I would love to hear about it.[/QUOTE]There are no "fiwfans hotel". I banged some really pretty girls at that hotel last summer, and I've also said "no thanks", and left when I saw who opened the door. At that particular place I suspect all the girls are living in the rooms. At other places, like the kokotel dhara devi on thong lo, which I've visited a couple dozen times and which looks like a much nicer mid-class hotel rather than a cheap "apartotel", the agent seems to rent the rooms for the girls on the day they work. All the places are mostly populated with normal, non-p4p, people, and just happen to have a few girls whoring themselves out on fiwfans via some "agent".

Unfortunately fiwfans is so full of fake photos and reviews that it's almost impossible for a non-thai speaker to have any idea of whether the girl who opens the door will be the 7-8 you hope, or the 4-5 you have to expect, and there are no hotels that are better than others because they have nothing to do with the fiwfans stuff anyway.
Possibly some agencies are better/more honest than others, but at least unless you stay long term and can become a regular of some sort, or can speak thai, it seems difficult to get anything except photoshopped fakes from them.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3064007]There are no "fiwfans hotel". I banged some really pretty girls at that hotel last summer, and I've also said "no thanks", and left when I saw who opened the door. At that particular place I suspect all the girls are living in the rooms. At other places, like the kokotel dhara devi on thong lo, which I've visited a couple dozen times and which looks like a much nicer mid-class hotel rather than a cheap "apartotel", the agent seems to rent the rooms for the girls on the day they work. All the places are mostly populated with normal, non-p4p, people, and just happen to have a few girls whoring themselves out on fiwfans via some "agent".
[/QUOTE]Kokotel was the place with great agent (tsgside) before fiwfan shutdown in 2023. Now still the same agent but with new names (queensclub, lovestudio). The quality of girls are dropped. Actually girls pay for the room but if they work for full shift (12 pm - 12 am) agent will subsidize the rent by 1/3 but they still have to pay for the extra (extra towel, drink water, condom).

I went there almost everyday when I was in Bangkok in 2023. Girls was young (early 20's). Some just turn 20 or 21 (I know cause they show me their passport / ID).

On my last trip to Thailand I also visit these agent more than dozen time but girls are on older side. Most of them are late 20's or 30+. Only few that 22-24's. Also with heavy P.S./ filtered. They were better with less filtered. Well time changed.

Anyway for 'fiwfans'. I would suggest try the girls with agent. If girl represent their photo that's a good to go. There are some (a lot) of agents that use other person photo. Avoid those agent (I would say BNK88 something on Rachada 17). 3 out of 3 times that not the girl in the picture. Normally, I would give them another chance but 3 was more than enough.

If you don't like headache. Nana plaza. A little more pricier but you can choose what you can see. You can see beneath the cloths and that's the plus.

Hi everyone,

I've just arrived in Bangkok and I'm feeling a bit "hotel-bound. " I'm staying on Sukhumvit 11, but the immediate street scene isn't quite what I'm looking for. I'm used to the standards of German FKK clubs and Barcelona apartments, so I'm searching for "high-end optics"—specifically young, thin, and fit.

I've done some reading but am still a bit overwhelmed. I'm looking for:

Boutique Agencies: Are there reputable agencies with LINE catalogs where the photos actually match the girls?

High-End Massage / Spas: Any specific recommendations for spots that prioritize "top-tier optics" and a clean, modern environment?

Location Advice: Is there a specific street or area known for a higher standard than the typical Nana / Soi 11 crowd?

Budget:

My max for ST is 6,000 THB for a high-end "10/10" profile.

Ideally, I'the like to find "7/10" options for 4,000 THB or less.

Is this budget realistic for the quality I'm after? I'm hoping to avoid scrolling through another 30 pages of threads while stuck in my room. Any direct leads or "must-visit" spots for someone with European tastes would be hugely appreciated!

[QUOTE=Dittoow;3064116]Hi everyone,
I've just arrived in Bangkok and I'm feeling a bit "hotel-bound. " I'm staying on Sukhumvit 11, but the immediate street scene isn't quite what I'm looking for. I'm used to the standards of German FKK clubs and Barcelona apartments, so I'm searching for "high-end optics"specifically young, thin, and fit.[/QUOTE]The street walkers on Soi 11 are indeed not exactly young, thin, and fit.

[QUOTE=Dittoow;3064116] I've done some reading but am still a bit overwhelmed. I'm looking for:
Boutique Agencies: Are there reputable agencies with LINE catalogs where the photos actually match the girls?[/QUOTE]I don't think so.

[QUOTE=Dittoow;3064116]
Location Advice: Is there a specific street or area known for a higher standard than the typical Nana / Soi 11 crowd?[/QUOTE]Soi 4 might be slightly better, but not much I'm afraid.

[QUOTE=Dittoow;3064116]
Budget:
My max for ST is 6,000 THB for a high-end "10/10" profile.
Ideally, I'the like to find "7/10" options for 4,000 THB or less.
Is this budget realistic for the quality I'm after? I'm hoping to avoid scrolling through another 30 pages of threads while stuck in my room. Any direct leads or "must-visit" spots for someone with European tastes would be hugely appreciated![/QUOTE]Loads of 7/10 options available at the 'massage' joints in Soi 24. Take the BTS to Phrom Phong, walk to Soi 24, and then the second alley on the left.
The girls are usually sitting outside, or at least a part of them, so you can walk around and check the merchandise.

Some examples:
[URL]https://mangomassagespa.com[/URL]
[URL]https://addictmassage.com[/URL]
[URL]https://www.orient-massage.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3063991]I thought that I made that clear. The profile photos were totally fictional and the actual women were unattractive to me. This was my experience at Ratchada 17 Place.

368, Soi Inthamara 47, Dindaeng, Ratchada, Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand, 10400.

If anyone knows of a really good fiwfans hotel I would love to hear about it.[/QUOTE]"Good" is subjective but a hotel with a lot of workers is the Watana Hotel. A lot of girls I find online are located at that hotel. I think they were from separate agencies / groups too. You can see them going up and down the elevators. Sometimes when I show up early for my appointment and have time to kill, I wait in front of the convenience store out front and there will be a bunch of girls going in and out of there also.

The rooms in there are not that nice. Maybe just find a hotel close by or near the Sutthisan MRT station, if you want to be close by.

[QUOTE=KingSquared;3064221]"Good" is subjective but a hotel with a lot of workers is the Watana Hotel. [/QUOTE]I define "good" to mean that the photo looks like the woman. In my experience with 4 women last week at Ratchada 17 Place the photos were completely fake. It wasn't even just photoshopping or old photos (which I also hate) but the woman in the room was completely different than the woman in the profile photo.

So excited for my upcoming trip! Been to Pattaya plenty but this will be my first dedicated week in BK. Staying at the Hyatt Regency. Going to try and taste a little of everything; BJ Bars (Lolitas?) Thermae, TF, Seeking, psyche-dream, high end Black caviar, I love a big fishbowl lineup (thinking LaBelle rn), love gogos (Leaning Butterfly), nuru (thinking Labelle), Nana, Soi Cowboy, and throwing in a couple Micheline restaurants, lots of street food and some river tours. I'll have a big trip report for ya'll in a few weeks. Me: 43, in shape, outgoing, may even try to pull a backpacker tourist hookup if I can.

I love our hobby and local insight. So, appreciate any chiming in on any of the above. As for specifics questions that I couldn't find answers to:

1) I like places where bjs and sex happen openly. I've witnessed and done this w FKK outdoor clubs in Germany, but are there any bars / gogos like this in BK where I could be making out w one girl and look across the room and see somebody getting a BJ or banging another girl? I saw Lolitas mentioned for being able to hear other patrons.

2) If I want the absolute largest fishbowl style lineup is Labelle the best spot? What time would be ideal? I've read shifts start at 7 and you can get first dibs around then.

3) If anyone is in town the last week of May, beers on me!

TIA!

1) I like places where bjs and sex happen openly. I've witnessed and done this w FKK outdoor clubs in Germany, but are there any bars / gogos like this in BK where I could be making out w one girl and look across the room and see somebody getting a BJ or banging another girl? I saw Lolitas mentioned for being able to hear other patrons.

I went to Lolitas in February. The upstairs room where the action happens has about eight couches each surrounded by a curtain. When the gal starts on you, the curtain is closed. So, nobody is watching other patrons. When I went, there was only one other patron and I didn't hear from them at all (not that I wanted to). Their price is a very modest 800 Baht for CIM.

[QUOTE=ZofoMofo;3064405]1) I like places where bjs and sex happen openly. I've witnessed and done this w FKK outdoor clubs in Germany, but are there any bars / gogos like this in BK where I could be making out w one girl and look across the room and see somebody getting a BJ or banging another girl? I saw Lolitas mentioned for being able to hear other patrons.

I went to Lolitas in February. The upstairs room where the action happens has about eight couches each surrounded by a curtain. When the gal starts on you, the curtain is closed. So, nobody is watching other patrons. When I went, there was only one other patron and I didn't hear from them at all (not that I wanted to). Their price is a very modest 800 Baht for CIM.[/QUOTE]I've since read that Moonshine and Toy Bar might scratch this itch, but would love any feedback on those.

[QUOTE=Sargeant;3064341]So excited for my upcoming trip! Been to Pattaya plenty but this will be my first dedicated week in BK. Staying at the Hyatt Regency. Going to try and taste a little of everything; BJ Bars (Lolitas?) Thermae, TF, Seeking, psyche-dream, high end Black caviar, I love a big fishbowl lineup (thinking LaBelle rn), love gogos (Leaning Butterfly), nuru (thinking Labelle), Nana, Soi Cowboy, and throwing in a couple Micheline restaurants, lots of street food and some river tours. I'll have a big trip report for ya'll in a few weeks. Me: 43, in shape, outgoing, may even try to pull a backpacker tourist hookup if I can.[/QUOTE]As for BJ bars, I can recommend 7 Heaven: [URL]https://www.7-heavenbkk.com[/URL].
More expensive than Lolitas (1300 baht for 1 shot), but much better looking and younger girls.

By the way: the common abbreviation for Bangkok is BKK.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3064426]...By the way: the common abbreviation for Bangkok is BKK.[/QUOTE]Is the IATA airport code.

Wood BJ Bar is the OG. Two tiers 800 BHT & 1000 BHT. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Sargeant;3064341]So excited for my upcoming trip! Been to Pattaya plenty but this will be my first dedicated week in BK. Staying at the Hyatt Regency. Going to try and taste a little of everything; BJ Bars (Lolitas?) Thermae, TF, Seeking, psyche-dream, high end Black caviar, I love a big fishbowl lineup (thinking LaBelle rn), love gogos (Leaning Butterfly), nuru (thinking Labelle), Nana, Soi Cowboy, and throwing in a couple Micheline restaurants, lots of street food and some river tours. I'll have a big trip report for ya'll in a few weeks. Me: 43, in shape, outgoing, may even try to pull a backpacker tourist hookup if I can.

I love our hobby and local insight. So, appreciate any chiming in on any of the above. As for specifics questions that I couldn't find answers to:

1) I like places where bjs and sex happen openly. I've witnessed and done this w FKK outdoor clubs in Germany, but are there any bars / gogos like this in BK where I could be making out w one girl and look across the room and see somebody getting a BJ or banging another girl? I saw Lolitas mentioned for being able to hear other patrons.

2) If I want the absolute largest fishbowl style lineup is Labelle the best spot? What time would be ideal? I've read shifts start at 7 and you can get first dibs around then.

3) If anyone is in town the last week of May, beers on me!

TIA![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JizzyB;3064552]Wood BJ Bar is the OG. Two tiers 800 BHT & 1000 BHT. YMMV.[/QUOTE]That must mean the Original Girls are still working there.

They have private rooms, but it is very easy to hear your neighbors.

[QUOTE=ZofoMofo;3064405]1) I like places where bjs and sex happen openly. I've witnessed and done this w FKK outdoor clubs in Germany, but are there any bars / gogos like this in BK where I could be making out w one girl and look across the room and see somebody getting a BJ or banging another girl? I saw Lolitas mentioned for being able to hear other patrons.

I went to Lolitas in February. The upstairs room where the action happens has about eight couches each surrounded by a curtain. When the gal starts on you, the curtain is closed. So, nobody is watching other patrons. When I went, there was only one other patron and I didn't hear from them at all (not that I wanted to). Their price is a very modest 800 Baht for CIM.[/QUOTE]You must be an old timer, they don't do that in Germany any more. Unless you meant Tues nights at Globe.

I'm sure if you offered to pay for someone's girl, they might let you watch.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3064426]By the way: the common abbreviation for Bangkok is BKK.[/QUOTE]At Sargeant was referring to FKK. E. g. Sex clubs in Germany. Literally, Freikörperkultur -- meaning free body culture.

[QUOTE=Sargeant;3064341]So excited for my upcoming trip! Been to Pattaya plenty but this will be my first dedicated week in BK. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fjrk76;3064585]At Sargeant was referring to FKK. E. g. Sex clubs in Germany. Literally, Freikrperkultur -- meaning free body culture.[/QUOTE]Not in his first sentence, quoted above.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3064620]Not in his first sentence, quoted above.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the confusion, my bad. BK: Bangkok FKK: Clubs in Germany. Actually going to have a layover in Frankfurt on my way back from SE Asia so that I can enjoy several hours at Sharks FKK club. I clearly have issues! LOL.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3064426]As for BJ bars, I can recommend 7 Heaven: [URL]https://www.7-heavenbkk.com[/URL].
More expensive than Lolitas (1300 baht for 1 shot), but much better looking and younger girls.

By the way: the common abbreviation for Bangkok is BKK.[/QUOTE]I checked out the 7 heaven site. It is a little further from my hotel but that 2 girl BJ sounds awesome! That plus your recommendation has be definitely stopping there! Has anyone done the two girl BJ?

At 8:17 pm on Monday evening April 27,2026 Miki [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Miki370[/URL] came to visit me. I gave her 6200 baht. Her photos were accurate. BBFS and BBBJ. She stayed until 5:30 am Tuesday April 28,2026.

On Tuesday afternoon I went on [URL]https://fiwfan.app[/URL] and I made an appointment to meet a woman on the third floor at Ratchada 17 Place 368 Soi Inthamara 47, Ratchadaphisek, Din Daeng, Bangkok 10400. I took a Grab taxi there. The profile photo was fake. I visited three other women at the same location and all had fake profile photos. Then I walked about ten minutes to Poseidon Entertainment Complex [URL]https://poseidon2000.com/blog/[/URL] I paid 10,560 baht and took a bath with a beautiful girl and lied in bed and chatted with her for about 40 minutes.

On Wednesday April 29,2026 I was expecting Miki to come at 2:00 pm. I messaged and called her, however she did not respond until 3:10 pm. Before that I had called a Grab motorcycle and I was on my way to Daisy Dream Nuru Massage [URL]https://daisydream.club/[/URL] I was introduced to all of the available women and I chose one. She was nice looking however she had a lot of tattoos which I realized only after she had gotten undressed. We showered and lied on the bed however she would not allow me to put a finger in her vagina. I paid 2500 baht.

From there I went down the alley to Jspot Nuru Massage [URL]https://jspot.vip/[/URL] I chose a pretty girl with long hair and big breasts with implants. We took a shower, I massaged her vulva and she massaged my penis and she became very aroused. I ejaculated. I paid 2600 baht.

On Thursday April 30,2026 Miki came back from 4:00 pm until 6:00 pm. BBFS and BBBJ. I gave her 5000 baht.

On Friday May 1, 2026 Miki came back from 4:45 pm until 10:30 pm. We drank vodka, ate snacks and watched part of the Thai movie "I Fine Thank You Love You". Then we got undressed and went to sleep. I gave her 5000 baht.

On Sunday May 2, 2026 Dow from Thai Friendly [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Mesa21TH[/URL] came to visit at 7:55 pm. I agreed to pay her 5000 baht and she agreed to stay for two hours and to give me oral sex but not vaginal sex. She was young and beautiful and her photos were accurate however she was very shy. She told me that this is the first time she had met a customer. During the day she went to university. That might have been true. She refused to give me oral sex saying that she was frightened by it. I told her that I have never forced a woman to do anything and she was free to go home, however I would appreciate it if she would refund me part of the 5000 baht. She left before 9:00 pm without refunding me. I paid 5000 baht to her basically for nothing and 186 baht for her taxi to my apartment.

On Monday May 3, 2026 I met Prang [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/M4P4rng.[/URL] In exchange for 5000 baht she agreed to visit me for two hours. I agreed to pay for her taxi. She arrived at about 4:00 pm in an SUV for which I paid 550 baht. She agreed to BBFS however no oral sex, either for me or for her. She left after 40 minutes. She said her mother texted her that her baby was crying and she had to leave. She refused to refund any money.

On Tuesday May 5, 2026 Miki returned from 2:30 pm to 5:30 pm, however she was angry with me for having met two other women in the past two days. After drinking beer and watching a movie we had sex BBFS however she would not allow me to kiss her mouth and she would not give or receive oral sex. 6000 baht.

Total cost $1,500.

Overall, I really didn't like Bangkok. It has a reputation as being one of the world's major sex tourism centers however it was extremely unpredictable. I would meet an attractive young woman, we would make an agreement, I would hand her the cash and then anything might happen, something might happen or nothing might happen. I have visited Athens, Barcelona, Lisbon, Medellin, and Curitiba, Brazil and I have never seen anything like this. General Santos City, the Philippines was comparably bad however that isn't really a center for sex workers. Saint Petersburg, Russia also isn't so great but still a bit better than Bangkok in my opinion. I will be here a few more days however I am not going to waste any more money on this craziness.

I am 65. My idea of a good time is spending about three hours in the afternoon with an attractive young woman, aged 18 to 25, BBBJ, masturbating her, watching a movie together and paying around $300 or in other words 10,000 baht. This can be in my apartment or in a brothel. Does this exist in Thailand? Is Pattaya better? Maybe the closest thing would be La Belle massage Bangkok although the price might be more like 15,000 baht or $450?

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064684]At 8:17 pm on Monday evening April 27,2026 Miki [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Miki370[/URL] came to visit me. I gave her 6200 baht. Her photos were accurate. BBFS and BBBJ. She stayed until 5:30 am Tuesday April 28,2026.
[/QUOTE]I miss the times before covid.

How have we gotten to such a horrific point in world history that EVEN FOR a single act of sex in the third world, it is a thing to pay 1/2 or 1 full month's rent. (Please no responses telling me what expats pay for rent, there are also NYC apartments that cost $30,000/ mo. I know the rent several of my Thai teachers living in normal accomodations pay.).

And I'm not immune. When I was in Pattaya earlier this year, I was utterly, utterly shocked at the money that was demanded of me for ST from a BEER BAR. That's right: I sat there suffering in the heat, no ac or anything, and prices in the 3rd world are substanitally higher than for better service with a white woman, including bareback, in Europe. I'm done with Thailand, my future trips will be Europe / Brazil.

[QUOTE=KingSquared;3064221] Maybe just find a hotel close by or near the Sutthisan MRT station, if you want to be close by.[/QUOTE]That's good intel, King.

I see you think like I do. I'll stay somewhere close to the metro, and walk over for fun.

Thanks!

Fargler.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064684]

Overall, I really didn't like Bangkok. [/QUOTE]Always pay after services are received. She won't leave early without money.

[QUOTE=ZofoMofo;3064405]1) I like places where bjs and sex happen openly. I've witnessed and done this w FKK outdoor clubs in Germany, but are there any bars / gogos like this in BK where I could be making out w one girl and look across the room and see somebody getting a BJ or banging another girl? I saw Lolitas mentioned for being able to hear other patrons.

[/QUOTE]Best place to go then is Meet the World bar, Paatpong 2; plenty of open action there.

[QUOTE=Mari1256;3064706]Best place to go then is Meet the World bar, Paatpong 2; plenty of open action there.[/QUOTE]It's fair to say you should expect a severe drop in quality; venue, women and probably even hygiene. Not worth the trade-off if you ask me. In Thailand I find that the more one sticks the mainstream the better one's chances of not being disappointed. Bangkok is great for cheap (relatively speaking) and abundantly available plain vanilla. Once you start going off the beaten path its a steep downhill cliff.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064684] At 8:17 pm on Monday evening April 27,2026 Miki came to visit me. I gave her 6200 baht. Her photos were accurate. BBFS and BBBJ. She stayed until 5:30 am Tuesday April 28,2026.

[/QUOTE]Well, sorry to hear that but it's not good. They will get used to it and scam the others. I would avoid to use those dating app (it's about 80% scam cause girls just want an easy money and most of them will do everything to just get money and dash). I never experience this *knock knock*. Everytime I go I always make sure for the agreement. Only one time in Japan that's only DFK, touch, BBBJ, oral (both) but no sex (That's on agreement that it was up to the girl for secret menu). That's also a hugh payment. Lesson learn and I never partake like that again. It also was one time that I was finished by hand, mouth because I know that 0% for vagina sex so I have to finish or nothing.

I always make sure that I will have sex. That's my first priority for paid session. For spend time together that will always the 2nd or 3rd time to visit them.

I would say for the next time. Why not consider split the payment? First half before the session and the other half after the deed. So, if things not go the way. You lose only 50%. Show them you have money but give them only half first.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064684]At 8:17 pm on Monday evening April 27,2026 Miki [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Miki370[/URL] came to visit me. I gave her 6200 baht. Her photos were accurate. BBFS and BBBJ. She stayed until 5:30 am Tuesday April 28,2026.[/QUOTE]You got [B]LT with BBBJ and BBFS[/B] for 6200 bhat with a rather young, well-proportioned and attractive girl. A 65 yo guy can't complain about that from a TF girl, or can he? Probably her mailbox is exploding now with requests for dates. I wouldn't mind dumping a load in her assuming she has a proportional ST rate.

Otherwise, despite your claim of extensive mongering experience in other countries, you seem to have made quite a series of newbie type mistakes. Paying 5000 bhat in advance back to back to 2 TF girls is not the brightest. How did you survive Medellin without getting scopolamined to oblivion? Feel free to abandon Thailand forever, but a little self reflection might show that you could have handled things better. Good luck elsewhere. AR.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;3064692]I'm done with Thailand, my future trips will be Europe / Brazil.[/QUOTE]If you get a chance, check out my trip report to Curitiba, Brazil three months ago. That place currently has my highest rating. A hidden gem.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3064703]Always pay after services are received. She won't leave early without money.[/QUOTE]I always pay upfront and I do that for a specific reason. I love giving a woman an orgasm and therefore I want her to be relaxed and happy. Before Bangkok I have had only one bad experience which was in Saint Petersburg, Russia and I don't plan on returning their either.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3064734]You got [B]LT with BBBJ and BBFS[/B] for 6200 bhat with a rather young, well-proportioned and attractive girl. A 65 yo guy can't complain about that from a TF girl, or can he? Probably her mailbox is exploding now with requests for dates. I wouldn't mind dumping a load in her assuming she has a proportional ST rate.[/QUOTE]Those first two meetings with Miki from TF were good however after that even she went downhill for some reason. And the other women I met, except maybe the one at Jspot Nuru Massage [URL]https://jspot.vip/[/URL] 2600 baht for one hour, were disasters. Even Jspot I would not repeat. Poseidon Entertainment Complex [URL]https://poseidon2000.com/blog/[/URL] is good but too expensive for me at 10,000 baht per hour.

I don't see Bangkok as being a prime sex tourism location in my limited experience. According to what I am hearing on the internet, tourism in general in Thailand is in decline. Too expensive. Too many scams. I can relate.

However I want to give my highest recommendation to my airbnb. [URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1487497708311954886[/URL] Very comfortable and reasonably priced. No one has commented on all the girls trooping in and out of my apartment.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3064734]You got [B]LT with BBBJ and BBFS[/B] for 6200 bhat with a rather young, well-proportioned and attractive girl. A 65 yo guy can't complain about that from a TF girl, or can he? Probably her mailbox is exploding now with requests for dates. I wouldn't mind dumping a load in her assuming she has a proportional ST rate.

Otherwise, despite your claim of extensive mongering experience in other countries, you seem to have made quite a series of newbie type mistakes. Paying 5000 bhat in advance back to back to 2 TF girls is not the brightest. How did you survive Medellin without getting scopolamined to oblivion? Feel free to abandon Thailand forever, but a little self reflection might show that you could have handled things better. Good luck elsewhere. AR.[/QUOTE]If a [B]CIP[/B] and [B]CIM[/B] finish with those acts of [B]BBFS[/B] and [B]BBBJ[/B] matters to you or anyone else rushing to book a session with that girl I would recommend stipulating those finishes upfront along with Pay After Only since I don't believe either was mentioned anywhere in the report.

Not that the OP didn't get those finishes. We have no idea since they weren't mentioned. But the fact that neither of those terms were mentioned anywhere in the report at a time when many P4 P girls in Thailand are coming up with all kinds of scams and excuses to get as much money for nothing or for only half of what is agreed upon as possible, as is repeatedly described in the report, especially when the customer makes the classic Thai P4 P mistake of Paying Upfront, should be seen as a distinct possibility that neither ever happened.

I would add that many recent P4P customers in Thailand have allowed the girls to get away with segmenting and separating acts of [B]BBFS[/B] from the [B]CIP[/B] part and perhaps to a lesser extent acts of [B]BBBJ[/B] from the [B]CIM[/B] part in order to renegotiate for more money in the room, at the point of entry or even a few strokes in when it is apparent to her another potential Pay Day could be traveling from his balls to his dick and beyond any minute now.

Whatever the reason that many Thai girls have been allowed to or taught by customers that they can get away with what amounts to the Sex Act version of the Coke and Tequila Two-Ladydrink scam to get a double Pay Day for what ought to be an unspoken given about each, unless you only want a [B]BBBJ[/B] as foreplay, I would strongly recommend the particular finishes you want and expect for each of those Sex Acts for the money be clearly stated by the customer and then be clearly agreed to by the girl these days.

Again, that is unless neither finish or any particular kind of finish matters to the customer.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3064782] at a time when many P4 P girls in Thailand are coming up with all kinds of scams and excuses to get as much money for nothing or for only half of what is agreed upon as possible, as is repeatedly described in the report, especially when the customer makes the classic Thai P4 P mistake of Paying Upfront.[/QUOTE]CIP or CIM aren't particularly important to me, however this attitude of scamming customers just amazes me. Maybe I have been lucky and I am not super experienced however I haven't seen this kind of craziness anywhere else. Don't women want repeat customers, word of mouth advertising or good online reviews? It's as if they are completely living in the moment and after this visit to me they are retiring. At any rate, I really don't like this attitude at all. I want to feel that she wants a good relationship with a good customer and not that I have to hold a gun to her head to make her serve me. I'll take my money to a different country.

[QUOTE=Mari1256;3064706]Best place to go then is Meet the World bar, Paatpong 2; plenty of open action there.[/QUOTE]I don't know if you have actually been yourself to MTW but generally no 'open action' going on. Usually they just take one customer at a time and once you enter they close the door to prevent other customers from entering. It's only a small little bar with 3/4 staff. The reason for going is to get attention of 3 ladies at once (4 if you can convince the bar maid / owner), so they can't really divide their time amongst multiple customers even if they wanted to.

So if you are expecting a hopping bar with multiple guys sitting at the bar getting BJ's at any one time as you walk in, think again that's not the vibe in MTW.

I was there in Feb 2026. It's mainly BBBJ but you can get FS in the back room, I drew the line at that but I would probably risk it on my next trip. I don't think the hygiene was any worse or better any most other bars or MP shops.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064684]At 8:17 pm on Monday evening April 27,2026 Miki [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Miki370[/URL] came to visit me. I gave her 6200 baht. Her photos were accurate. BBFS and BBBJ. She stayed until 5:30 am Tuesday April 28,2026.

On Tuesday afternoon I went on [URL]https://fiwfan.app[/URL] and I made an appointment to meet a woman on the third floor at Ratchada 17 Place 368 Soi Inthamara 47, Ratchadaphisek, Din Daeng, Bangkok 10400. I took a Grab taxi there. The profile photo was fake. I visited three other women at the same location and all had fake profile photos. Then I walked about ten minutes to Poseidon Entertainment Complex [URL]https://poseidon2000.com/blog/[/URL] I paid 10,560 baht and took a bath with a beautiful girl and lied in bed and chatted with her for about 40 minutes.

On Wednesday April 29,2026 I was expecting Miki to come at 2:00 pm. I messaged and called her, however she did not respond until 3:10 pm. Before that I had called a Grab motorcycle and I was on my way to Daisy Dream Nuru Massage [URL]https://daisydream.club/[/URL] I was introduced to all of the available women and I chose one. She was nice looking however she had a lot of tattoos which I realized only after she had gotten undressed. We showered and lied on the bed however she would not allow me to put a finger in her vagina. I paid 2500 baht.

From there I went down the alley to Jspot Nuru Massage [URL]https://jspot.vip/[/URL] I chose a pretty girl with long hair and big breasts with implants. We took a shower, I massaged her vulva and she massaged my penis and she became very aroused..[/QUOTE]I don't regard BKK as paradise but it's certainly a lot closer to it than most other major mongering cities for choice vs price etc. I am sorry but I have to agree with AsianRain, you come across at best as very naïve. Clearly you also think 'you know best' and the type of person that doesn't listen to or take advice.

I think I could scam you out of money easily enough myself. Honest self-reflection would be wise but I think a waste of time cause do doubt you don't think any of the mixed experiences is your own fault.

Finally posting specific links to girls, hotel names, addresses but also room numbers I don't think is appropriate either in this forum.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064789]CIP or CIM aren't particularly important to me, however this attitude of scamming customers just amazes me. Maybe I have been lucky and I am not super experienced however I haven't seen this kind of craziness anywhere else. Don't women want repeat customers, word of mouth advertising or good online reviews? It's as if they are completely living in the moment and after this visit to me they are retiring. At any rate, I really don't like this attitude at all. I want to feel that she wants a good relationship with a good customer and not that I have to hold a gun to her head to make her serve me. I'll take my money to a different country.[/QUOTE]No, unless they have reason to think you are staying long term in Thailand, they do not think about that. And even if you are, most won't care about that. I'm sure you rang all their "tourist fresh of the banana boat" alarm bells.

Don't know how things are where you mongered before, but had you read this forum first, you would have known this: in Thailand you always pay after. Now you know why.

The only exceptions are when walking in to sex shops / doing thai fiwfan / sideline-things, or the barfine at bars / go-go bars, where you pay the barfine at the bar, but the money to the girl after you have finished in your room.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3064815]No, unless they have reason to think you are staying long term in Thailand, they do not think about that. And even if you are, most won't care about that. I'm sure you rang all their "tourist fresh of the banana boat" alarm bells.[/QUOTE]I'm here for two weeks so I think ten sessions with me would be better than one. And I might come back in a few months. And I might have friends who would like to hear about a great provider. These women have a business. They need to act like it. Those poor rice farmers in Isan who send their daughters to Bangkok to stave off starvation should check up on what those daughters are doing. I have a feeling that those bahts are drying up.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064817]I'm here for two weeks so I think ten sessions with me would be better than one. And I might come back in a few months. And I might have friends who would like to hear about a great provider. These women have a business. They need to act like it. Those poor rice farmers in Isan who send their daughters to Bangkok to stave off starvation should check up on what those daughters are doing. I have a feeling that those bahts are drying up.[/QUOTE]Probably like everyone else reading this forum they clicked on the TF links that you posted. One has removed all her photos and the other has deleted her profile altogether. Most likely as a direct result of you posting their details on a public forum. Remember TF is a dating site not a sex for hire site.

Don't pretend to give a flying f'k about your fellow humans. A little respect would go a long way.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064817]I'm here for two weeks so I think ten sessions with me would be better than one. And I might come back in a few months. And I might have friends who would like to hear about a great provider. These women have a business. They need to act like it.[/QUOTE]That's how you think, that's not how they think. They know full well that you have about 1000 other choices within 5 minutes walking distance and you are likely to choose those girls and never see her again. They know that punters often lie about duration of vacations and potential friend customers. They know that any friends also have about 1000 choices. Once they have possession of the cash you donate, there isn't a great chance that you or your friends will give more. She has very little reason to do anything above what she considers the bare minimum. With pay after, she knows that her shitty performance might cause you to withhold payment.

But if her orgasm is that important to you and you really think prepayment will help, go ahead and prepay. I believe most hooker orgasms are faked, not Harry Met Sally fakes, but just enough to make the customer feel good about himself.

My solution to the problem is to hire girls through the same mamasan day after day and trip after trip. I tip mamasan every time I see her and I tip her big every time I do bar fine. In exchange, mamasan tells the girls that I'm good customer and I need to be treated right. I'm old man and sometimes I struggle to finish. These girls go to extreme lengths to get me to finish because they keep mamasan happy by keeping me happy. Even with mamasan supporting me, I still pay after.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064789]CIP or CIM aren't particularly important to me, however this attitude of scamming customers just amazes me. Maybe I have been lucky and I am not super experienced however I haven't seen this kind of craziness anywhere else. Don't women want repeat customers, word of mouth advertising or good online reviews? It's as if they are completely living in the moment and after this visit to me they are retiring. At any rate, I really don't like this attitude at all. I want to feel that she wants a good relationship with a good customer and not that I have to hold a gun to her head to make her serve me. I'll take my money to a different country.[/QUOTE]You can Try some of the Massage places Sukhumvit, I personally Recommend Wonder, Deep & Smile Massage.

For Freelances you can try Thermae Bar on Sukhumvit, they screen the girls so you'll only get women and no Ladyboys.

Online there is massagerepublic also there are some decent girls but overpriced. Look for verified girls with some reviews.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3064821]Probably like everyone else reading this forum they clicked on the TF links that you posted. One has removed all her photos and the other has deleted her profile altogether. Most likely as a direct result of you posting their details on a public forum. Remember TF is a dating site not a sex for hire site.

Don't pretend to give a flying f'k about your fellow humans. A little respect would go a long way.[/QUOTE]IMO, there's nothing wrong with posting links to TF-freelancers, good or bad. Rather, it should be encouraged so we can know who to stay away from and who can be recommended, and thaifriendly is also a public site.

Girls looking for dates: no. Freelancers: yes.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3064863]IMO, there's nothing wrong with posting links to TF-freelancers, good or bad. Rather, it should be encouraged so we can know who to stay away from and who can be recommended, and thaifriendly is also a public site.

Girls looking for dates: no. Freelancers: yes.[/QUOTE]I think with a site like TF there is a line, a grey area perhaps but it's not like sites such as Massagerepublic or Fiwfan spin offs. They are sex for sale sites, TF isn't. Also it's not strictly a public site, you have to sign up to an account to be able to browse profiles, photos, message girls. They aren't "public" in the purest sense. We all know as well that TF doesn't allow girls to openly advertise as FL's, if they do they could be banned and lose their income stream, so they have to be discreet.

Furthermore as we all know the majority of girls on TF are part-timers or amateur's looking for some extra cash. Some of them are looking for relationships and just enjoy a bit of fun on the side. At the end of the days a lot of these girls have families, kids, friends, jobs and deserve some respect and privacy.

Clearly if one has deleted their profile already and the other has taken all their photos down, it's safe to assume it's probably because of the actions of premature shooters posts here. I am sure he won't like it if we posted his profile pics all over the internet?

Also one of the forum rules here is to not post picture links to people hosted on other sites, it's highlighted every time we make a post by the mods.

[QUOTE=Sargeant;3064625]Sorry for the confusion, my bad. BK: Bangkok FKK: Clubs in Germany. Actually going to have a layover in Frankfurt on my way back from SE Asia so that I can enjoy several hours at Sharks FKK club. I clearly have issues! LOL.[/QUOTE]I do it on my way in. I'm coming back.

I thought that Thai Friendly was a freelancer site. The links I posted were for freelancers. If someone messages them offering money for sex I don't think that they would have a problem with that.

In the many other locations that I have been I have never felt like I was really blatantly scammed and treated like an idiot the way that I have been in Bangkok. This only represents a small sampling. I haven't met thousands of women so it might just be bad luck.

I think it's a cultural thing. My personal, limited assessment: South American women have been kind, decent professionals. Eastern European women have been some great some not that great. (You might say it's Russian Roulette pun intended LOL). Bangkok is crazy town. Although I will add that the high end "massage" locations may be really good. Something in the 6500 to 10000 baht per hour range ($200 to $300) however I would rather go to South America and spend $65 to $100 for similar service.

Thai Friendly is a dating app that has been co-opted to varying degrees by FLs looking for business. IME, about 50% of the women on TF in Bangkok are really looking for relationships and not business. In Pattaya, OTOH, about 90% of the women are FLs and the other 10% are negotiable.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064923]In the many other locations that I have been I have never felt like I was really blatantly scammed and treated like an idiot the way that I have been in Bangkok. This only represents a small sampling. I haven't met thousands of women so it might just be bad luck.

I think it's a cultural thing. My personal, limited assessment: South American women have been kind, decent professionals. Eastern European women have been some great some not that great. (You might say it's Russian Roulette pun intended LOL). Bangkok is crazy town. Although I will add that the high end "massage" locations may be really good. Something in the 6500 to 10000 baht per hour range ($200 to $300) however I would rather go to South America and spend $65 to $100 for similar service.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of lonely men visiting Thailand and all of them consider Thailand to be the sex capital of the world. A lot of them participate in the sex industry. Most people come with the idea of replicating what they see in the porn industry, whether they are able to perform is another story but the working girls are used to being fucked in the pussy, ass or facefucked by most of the guys they meet. When you go over there and want to perform only a pussy massage you are being labeled as a very easy customer (especially considering the prices you've been quoted and willing to pay, not to mention that some girls are not feeling comfortable with other peoples fingers in their pussy). To the opposite of your idea that they are going to cherish you and try to keep you as their best choice, they will tend to offer you the lowest level of service they are usually giving, just because in their mind, you are a very easily satisfied customer. Your habit of giving them the money upfront is not working on your side too, but it seems like you're happy to do it anyway.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064923]I thought that Thai Friendly was a freelancer site.[/QUOTE]No, it's officially a dating site for people who are looking for a serious relationship. Girls offering themselves (too) clearly as freelancers / escorts / prostitutes will get a warning. They will get 'moderated' in their profile name, and can be banned.
And the same applies to men who say in their profile that they are looking for sex, fun, or freelancers, or similar phrasings.

This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something.

Maybe some of the highest end brothels, in the $200 to $300/ hour range are better. Maybe. But that's really a ridiculous price for this poor a country.

I need Brazil. However this is only my personal opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and preferences.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065057]This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something.

Maybe some of the highest end brothels, in the $200 to $300/ hour range are better. Maybe. But that's really a ridiculous price for this poor a country.

I need Brazil. However this is only my personal opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and preferences.[/QUOTE]Yeah there's nothing quite like Brazil and the willingness there.

The last time I was in Bangkok it was partying with friends and fooling around, so service wasn't high on my list. This time I've already had a bad experience at 7 heaven, went for 2 girls, it was rushed, and constantly wiping with dry tissue between swapping felt awful and they weren't taking any direction or doing anything you'the want at the same time during a double BJ.

You might just have a better time at decent massage spot with happy ending to avoid all the games / reluctance. That or high end places like you said.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065057]This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something.

Maybe some of the highest end brothels, in the $200 to $300/ hour range are better. Maybe. But that's really a ridiculous price for this poor a country.

I need Brazil. However this is only my personal opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and preferences.[/QUOTE]Who cares about porn in Thailand?

Payment isn't being 'withheld'. Thailand is the last oasis in the p4 p world where the customer isn't expected to pay until they're satisfied.

Yeah, I've been to Rio but not for a long time.

Have you tired mongering in Amsterdam? I think that place will bring joy to your life. You know a lot of societies are rather culturally conservative. I remembered back in the days the overwhelmingly majority of the hookers working the streets of Thailand were from Issan and I think it hasn't changed much. When I used to live in Surin I noticed that things were very different out there from other parts of Thailand. It almost seemed like being premisculist was apart of the culture of the women out there.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065057]This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RhinoTusk;3065072]
Yeah, I've been to Rio but not for a long time.[/QUOTE]I'd guess he's talking about Sao Paulo. These days I Rio isn't what it used to be and Sao Paulo is about 10 x better quality service and girls. Lots of tourist service in Rio just like Bangkok. SP is mainly repeat businessmen customers so service is better. My guess is the OP will have more luck at the higher end soapies that cater to the non-tourists. I didn't know that about no pay til you're satisfied. Does that go for nuru and massage joints? I'm typically Paying up front.

Just rolled up to Poseidon. It was either that 3 pm is a bad time to go or things have really gone downhill there. Last time I visited a long time ago there could have been 60 or more women on leveled podiums you walk around. Going in now there was 6 or 7 girls on couches only 2 good and it seemed it was "massage" service 90 m 1 shot for between 4-8 k depending on tier. It used to be soapy with multiple I'm pretty sure.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065057]This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something.

Maybe some of the highest end brothels, in the $200 to $300/ hour range are better. Maybe. But that's really a ridiculous price for this poor a country.

I need Brazil. However this is only my personal opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and preferences.[/QUOTE]Exactly bro the world is YMMV, its silly for you to be coming here to spout off about your personal failures in Bangkok in a forum populated by guys who know the scene, RTFF and have a great deal of success daily in satisfying themselves.

I haven't been in BKK is almost 6 months. I'm fat, unattractive and to many westerners, I have the personality of a sidewalk. Nevertheless, I can guarantee you that when I roll off the plane this Fall, I will have no problem pumping my cum into the depths of a 20 year old hardbody for less than $120 who will do anything I want.

What I don't have is expectations. I don't expect that she is going to fall in love me with me. I'm not going to Thailand to fall in love or find a wife or a girlfriend and WODR to guys who have made it work, finding a wife in a place where she is turning tricks is not necessarily a recipe for success.

What I do have is understanding of Thai culture, which you inaccurately describe. Similarly, I understand how prostitution works. You have a need to cuddle and feel loved? Ask for it and pay for it. You want to bust one in her ass? Ask and pay for it.

Not to destroy dreams but we are just tricks to them.

Hi Gents,

Due to my international flight itinerary for an upcoming BKK trip, I will be arriving at around 4 am local time. My hotel likely won't let me check-in early and a hotel room may not be available until mid-day or early afternoon. Given this scenario, I was planning to check-in my bags at the front desk and try to find an open Nuru or Soapy place to freshen up and get the pipes cleaned out after some long flights.

In my past trips, I have been to Daisy Dream (around SOI twenty something) and Dragon Heart (Soi 11). I believe both do not open for the day until 11 am and both close at around 2 am. I have enjoyed both places multiple times. I like how you get to see the entire available line-up and chose your partner. Totally got to live out the "Rush Hour" fantasy for those Jackie Chan fans out there. I came across another similar spot called Hakumi Massage but looks like they open at 10 am.

Just wondering if anyone knows of any spots like this that are open 24 hrs a day so I can get a body wash and a lay at around 6 am or 7 am. TIA.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;3065078]Have you tired mongering in Amsterdam? I think that place will bring joy to your life. You know a lot of societies are rather culturally conservative. I remembered back in the days the overwhelmingly majority of the hookers working the streets of Thailand were from Issan and I think it hasn't changed much. When I used to live in Surin I noticed that things were very different out there from other parts of Thailand. It almost seemed like being premisculist was apart of the culture of the women out there.[/QUOTE]Amsterdam is a tourist trap rip off for the third world hordes. Dutch guys go to FKKs in Germany.

I am looking for a friendly professional relationship. We are not married. We are not in love. However let's say you go to a restaurant and a certain woman serves you. You are polite and respectful to her. You give her a nice tip. She is friendly and polite to you. You like each other. You are happy to see each other. When you walk in she thinks "Oh good. It's that nice guy again. " Not "OMG Here we go. I have to grit my teeth and serve that creep. " That's just how I feel. That's what I want in a sex worker. Friendly, professional, a nice person. In South America I did easily find that. In Bangkok, not really.

I'm on my way to live in Phnom Penh and I am really disappointed. I had thought that I could pop back to Bangkok for little visits now and then however at this point it feels like it will be a waste of money. I am afraid that I am not going for find what I personally am looking for unless maybe I pay $200 to $300 per hour at the most top tier locations. And everywhere else in east Asia sounds even worse.

Just FYI, my best experience so far has been Curitiba, Brazil. I was there for two weeks in January and I posted a report.

[QUOTE=MikeL893;3065142]Hi Gents,

Due to my international flight itinerary for an upcoming BKK trip, I will be arriving at around 4 am local time. My hotel likely won't let me check-in early and a hotel room may not be available until mid-day or early afternoon. Given this scenario, I was planning to check-in my bags at the front desk and try to find an open Nuru or Soapy place to freshen up and get the pipes cleaned out after some long flights. In my past trips, I have been to Daisy Dream (around SOI twenty something) and Dragon Heart (Soi 11). I believe both do not open for the day until 11 am and both close at around 2 am. I have enjoyed both places multiple times. I like how you get to see the entire available line-up and chose your partner. Totally got to live out the "Rush Hour" fantasy for those Jackie Chan fans out there. I came across another similar spot called Hakumi Massage but looks like they open at 10 am. Just wondering if anyone knows of any spots like this that are open 24 hrs a day so I can get a body wash and a lay at around 6 am or 7 am. TIA.[/QUOTE]Its very possible you may be overthinking things. BK is the only place I travel without at least the first nights accommodations reserved. Does not matter when I roll in, whereever I want to be there is always a room available. I travel light, so its easy, but you can walk into almost anywhere and they will have a room available. Yes you don't get your maximum bang for your dollar, but really a room for 20 bucks that I am only going to use for 6 or so hours is worth it for me. If you just treat every mid level flat as a short time hotel you will find it abundantly available 24/7. I'm not recommending you book a $200/ night room to use for only a few hours, but there are so many budget options that cost the price of a meal at home.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3065211]Its very possible you may be overthinking things. BK is the only place I travel without at least the first nights accommodations reserved. Does not matter when I roll in, whereever I want to be there is always a room available. I travel light, so its easy, but you can walk into almost anywhere and they will have a room available. Yes you don't get your maximum bang for your dollar, but really a room for 20 bucks that I am only going to use for 6 or so hours is worth it for me. If you just treat every mid level flat as a short time hotel you will find it abundantly available 24/7. I'm not recommending you book a $200/ night room to use for only a few hours, but there are so many budget options that cost the price of a meal at home.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Sir. I appreciate that perspective. I will consider that option. I am quite literally and figuratively trying to start my vacation with a "bang" LOL. While an approx. $20 temp room gets me cleaned up, I still need to find a companion to achieve my objective. Any other intel on soapy spas that may be open round the clock?

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065206]I am looking for a friendly professional relationship. We are not married. We are not in love. However let's say you go to a restaurant and a certain woman serves you. You are polite and respectful to her. You give her a nice tip. She is friendly and polite to you. You like each other. You are happy to see each other. When you walk in she thinks "Oh good. It's that nice guy again. " Not "OMG Here we go. I have to grit my teeth and serve that creep. " That's just how I feel. That's what I want in a sex worker. Friendly, professional, a nice person. In South America I did easily find that. In Bangkok, not really.

I'm on my way to live in Phnom Penh and I am really disappointed. I had thought that I could pop back to Bangkok for little visits now and then however at this point it feels like it will be a waste of money. I am afraid that I am not going for find what I personally am looking for unless maybe I pay $200 to $300 per hour at the most top tier locations. And everywhere else in east Asia sounds even worse.

Just FYI, my best experience so far has been Curitiba, Brazil. I was there for two weeks in January and I posted a report.[/QUOTE]Again regrettably I have to call you extremely naive. Sorry to burst your bubble but most of those waitresses (and waiters) are thinking 'here comes the good tipper again' rather than 'oh here comes the really nice guy again'. It's a job and they have to put on smiley face. It's not that they like or dislike you, it's just a job. You say professional but you have a rather fuzzy definition of the word.

Similarly all these Brazilian babes you are obsessed about, they are just better bad actors than some in other Countries that you have encountered.

Personally, and I've met a lot of Brazilian girls, I think they are one of the most two-faced shallow cohorts of hookers anywhere on the planet, but they are able to charm the gullible well, I'll grant them that.

[QUOTE=MikeL893;3065142]Hi Gents,

Due to my international flight itinerary for an upcoming BKK trip, I will be arriving at around 4 am local time. My hotel likely won't let me check-in early and a hotel room may not be available until mid-day or early afternoon. Given this scenario, I was planning to check-in my bags at the front desk and try to find an open Nuru or Soapy place to freshen up and get the pipes cleaned out after some long flights.

In my past trips, I have been to Daisy Dream (around SOI twenty something) and Dragon Heart (Soi 11). I believe both do not open for the day until 11 am and both close at around 2 am. I have enjoyed both places multiple times. I like how you get to see the entire available line-up and chose your partner. Totally got to live out the "Rush Hour" fantasy for those Jackie Chan fans out there. I came across another similar spot called Hakumi Massage but looks like they open at 10 am.

Just wondering if anyone knows of any spots like this that are open 24 hrs a day so I can get a body wash and a lay at around 6 am or 7 am. TIA.[/QUOTE]Best bet is to book a day rate hotel and hire a girl in from an agency. Most hotels in BKK do day rates there is even a website for it, [URL]https://th.dayuse.com/[/URL]

Note: This was posted last month but didn't due to computer error.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3059971]If you want fantasy, like schoolgirl, airhostess, guard, nurse, I'd recommend psyche-dream instead, the girls are more up for anything.[/QUOTE]I did Psyche Dream for the classroom fantasy. They send you a list of who's available around 10 am. Booked CC as the teacher, and Nami as the student. Nami advertises as 21 but told me she's older; still looks young enough for a uni student type. They charge extra for panties and stockings. Not sure if that's to keep or just for them to wear (in retrospect I should have had the older girl wear stockings, but didn't think to ask because I wanted Nami bare-legged). Some other stuff extra but I forget what it was. The girls do their own roleplay scenario where they teach you the Thai words for naughty bits in a mock classroom, then take you to a nearby mattress for sex. Not really worth it unless you want roleplay with all the props (I really wish this place had been open fifteen years ago, but I'm getting a bit old for it now and mainly went there out of curiosity).

I was thrown when a Chinese client in the waiting room asked me for advice on dominatrix stuff in Bangkok, as I'm not used to men starting casual conversations in a brothel! But I told him about Demonia which I had seen was still open in Soi 33 (I'd been to the Pattaya branch years ago, for the aforementioned roleplay) and Analissa Massage which I knew from this forum had that stuff.

Tried Analissa later myself but just for a milking table oily. The lineup was not that pretty so I went for a youngish girl paired with older enthusiastic girl, which I've found is a workable combination. The lights were down low anyway (though this also meant I couldn't really see what the young girl was up to under the table despite them positioning a mirror so I could).

JSpot for nuru on arrival in BKK and made the mistake of doing a 69 after paying for a CIM. Caught her in a mirror just giving me a HJ. After I'd left I saw there were prettier girls sitting outside the nuru next door (Chairman), so I should have picked a girl off the street instead of from the inaccurate photos in the tablet they give you inside.

Went to 581 by Nana for a proper Jab Kasai testicle massage, but results uncertain. The girl at Vovo said I came a lot, but wasn't able to verify that: should have paid the extra for COF!

Did Nana Plaza just for a drink and a grope of a naked girl (no barfining). Results disappointing but did better another night at Soi Cowboy's Crazy House and Suzie Wong, where the girls got right down to business on your lap.

For a pampering I went to the Kawaii barber shop and got a girl with makeup like a female Joker (other girls there cuter, but not mine). Not that I saw much anyway (note: don't ask for cucumber mask). You're probably better just going to a proper mens salon I reckon, as the one I went to later for a proper haircut had a pretty hairdresser anyway.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065206]I am looking for a friendly professional relationship. We are not married. We are not in love. However let's say you go to a restaurant and a certain woman serves you. You are polite and respectful to her. You give her a nice tip. She is friendly and polite to you. You like each other. You are happy to see each other. When you walk in she thinks "Oh good. It's that nice guy again. " Not "OMG Here we go. I have to grit my teeth and serve that creep. " That's just how I feel. That's what I want in a sex worker. Friendly, professional, a nice person. In South America I did easily find that. In Bangkok, not really.

I'm on my way to live in Phnom Penh and I am really disappointed. I had thought that I could pop back to Bangkok for little visits now and then however at this point it feels like it will be a waste of money. I am afraid that I am not going for find what I personally am looking for unless maybe I pay $200 to $300 per hour at the most top tier locations. And everywhere else in east Asia sounds even worse.

Just FYI, my best experience so far has been Curitiba, Brazil. I was there for two weeks in January and I posted a report.[/QUOTE]Y'all must be hard to deal with Tex, in all my years I have never had anything but a nice friendly fuck and even a smile as they are tonguing my ass. You must either be mean or want to "feel" something.

Phnom Phen is a wasteland, barfines last there were $10 and $50 for the girl and Khmer girls don't suck dick.

[QUOTE=VinceAU;3065283]Note: This was posted last month but didn't due to computer error.

I did Psyche Dream for the classroom fantasy. They send you a list of who's available around 10 am. Booked CC as the teacher, and Nami as the student. Nami advertises as 21 but told me she's older; still looks young enough for a uni student type. They charge extra for panties and stockings. Not sure if that's to keep or just for them to wear (in retrospect I should have had the older girl wear stockings, but didn't think to ask because I wanted Nami bare-legged). Some other stuff extra but I forget what it was. The girls do their own roleplay scenario where they teach you the Thai words for naughty bits in a mock classroom, then take you to a nearby mattress for sex. Not really worth it unless you want roleplay with all the props (I really wish this place had been open fifteen years ago, but I'm getting a bit old for it now and mainly went there out of curiosity).[/QUOTE]I am curious about the '581' place you mentioned, I've been searching for a place like this, I didn't know it existed. When you say 'results uncertain', do you recommend the place?

Yeah the bit extra for COF in VOVO is worth it, they stick it right out there for you and don't try and hide or turn. The first time, I came too early and missed her face, she was actually quite disappointed, more probably thought I was going to complain and look for my money back LOL!

[QUOTE=PgReal;3065338]I am curious about the '581' place you mentioned, I've been searching for a place like this, I didn't know it existed. When you say 'results uncertain', do you recommend the place?[/QUOTE]Not sure. The first time I tried a jabkasai massage it improved things, at least for the next few ejeculations. But that was a dozen or so years ago at a place that's no longer there. I'm not sure it made much difference now. As for the massage itself they seemed to know what they were doing, but I haven't had many so I can't judge.

Here's their website:

[URL]https://www.thaiprostatemassage.com/[/URL]

And the place was selected on the recommendation of this guy:

[URL]https://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-karsai-thai-genital-massage-in-chiang-mai-p45[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3065331]Phnom Phen is a wasteland, barfines last there were $10 and $50 for the girl and Khmer girls don't suck dick.[/QUOTE]Maybe difficult in SR, but not in PP. I and my associates have never had a problem getting head in the PP hostess bars. Just like in other places, a pre-employment interview will usually sort out what is on the menu.

Sam.

Hello gents. I have experience in this pastime all over Europe, South America, Australia, and the US. Looking for any recommendations or tips on what's different here vs all those other places I've enjoyed. I'm staying half my time close to Soi Cowboy and the other half near Nana Plaza.

One thing I want to avoid is ladyboys (no judgements, just not my thing). How can avoid this unwanted surprise. I'll also take any tips on visiting those two places. Thanks in advance fellas.

[QUOTE=Stl24;3065966]Hello gents. I have experience in this pastime all over Europe, South America, Australia, and the US. Looking for any recommendations or tips on what's different here vs all those other places I've enjoyed. [/QUOTE]Do you really expect us to tell you all of the differences?
You have found the right thread. Just start reading the reports from at least the beginning of this year, but preferably further back in time.

[QUOTE=Stl24;3065966]One thing I want to avoid is ladyboys (no judgements, just not my thing). How can avoid this unwanted surprise. [/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2657-Identifying-Transvestites[/URL]

I'm not looking for a full research report LOL. Just asking if anyone has any they care to share etc. If not, no worries. I've been reading several months worth in anticipation of my trip, just thought I'the throw it out there in case anyone felt like offering any advice.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3065973]Do you really expect us to tell you all of the differences?
You have found the right thread. Just start reading the reports from at least the beginning of this year, but preferably further back in time.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2657-Identifying-Transvestites[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stl24;3065966]Hello gents. I have experience in this pastime all over Europe, South America, Australia, and the US. Looking for any recommendations or tips on what's different here vs all those other places I've enjoyed. I'm staying half my time close to Soi Cowboy and the other half near Nana Plaza.

One thing I want to avoid is ladyboys (no judgements, just not my thing). How can avoid this unwanted surprise. I'll also take any tips on visiting those two places. Thanks in advance fellas.[/QUOTE]Why are you splitting your hotels to venues are only a kilometer apart.

[QUOTE=Stl24;3065966] One thing I want to avoid is ladyboys (no judgements, just not my thing). How can avoid this unwanted surprise. I'll also take any tips on visiting those two places. Thanks in advance fellas.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about the ladyboys. #1. 95% of them are physically obvious. It's virtually impossible to mistake them. 555. #2. An additional 5% become obvious by the way they are acting (overacting femininity or being too forward are obvious tells). That accounts for 99.5% of them in the Sukhumvit scene on any given night that you will immediately know from the get-go who they are. #3. If you are still worried making a mistake, RTFF and stick to the recommended Go Go's, oily massage parlors, and high end soapies & G-Clubs. I can't see how you could possibly go wrong in any of these recommended establishments.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3065116]

What I do have is understanding of Thai culture, which you inaccurately describe. Similarly, I understand how prostitution works. You have a need to cuddle and feel loved? Ask for it and pay for it. You want to bust one in her ass? Ask and pay for it.

[/QUOTE]OP started out sounding clueless but good hearted, then quickly descended into the thick as a brick category. He's been in Thailand for 10 days (or whatever), obviously still has no clue what is going on around him, but is already lecturing the rest of the board on thai culture.

Never been to Curitiba, Brazil, but if even op can have a good two weeks there, it sounds like it must be a dream for the rest of us. I'm already envisioning model quality 18 year old virgins offering themselves to me as I descend the stairs down from the airplane, fighting over who will be allowed to accompany me to my chosen dormitory with a shared bath two floors down.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3066085]Never been to Curitiba, Brazil, but if even op can have a good two weeks there, it sounds like it must be a dream for the rest of us. I'm already envisioning model quality 18 year old virgins offering themselves to me as I descend the stairs down from the airplane, fighting over who will be allowed to accompany me to my chosen dormitory with a shared bath two floors down.[/QUOTE]It was decent, but you will definitely need to lower your expectations haha!

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[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3066064]Don't worry about the ladyboys. #1. 95% of them are physically obvious. It's virtually impossible to mistake them. 555. #2. An additional 5% become obvious by the way they are acting (overacting femininity or being too forward are obvious tells). That accounts for 99.5% of them in the Sukhumvit scene on any given night that you will immediately know from the get-go who they are. #3. If you are still worried making a mistake, RTFF and stick to the recommended Go Go's, oily massage parlors, and high end soapies & G-Clubs. I can't see how you could possibly go wrong in any of these recommended establishments.[/QUOTE]And sure if he gets that 0. 5% he'll probably have a great time. In hindsight I am pretty damn sure I got a ladybody in a legit (ish) massage place on Soi 22. God she / he gave a mighty damn fine BJ.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3066085]OP started out sounding clueless but good hearted, then quickly descended into the thick as a brick category. He's been in Thailand for 10 days (or whatever), obviously still has no clue what is going on around him, but is already lecturing the rest of the board on thai culture.

Never been to Curitiba, Brazil, but if even op can have a good two weeks there, it sounds like it must be a dream for the rest of us. I'm already envisioning model quality 18 year old virgins offering themselves to me as I descend the stairs down from the airplane, fighting over who will be allowed to accompany me to my chosen dormitory with a shared bath two floors down.[/QUOTE]Post of the Year LOL.

I am arriving in Bangkok from the US and staying a few days to get acclimated to the time zone then heading to a few other Asian locations then ending my trip with a few more days back in Bangkok before flying back to the west coast.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3066000]Why are you splitting your hotels to venues are only a kilometer apart.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3066089]Post of the Year LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah I was totally stunned that the OP was not flamed to death. His report basically said:

I spent time with many women who wouldn't blow me or let me finger them. Didn't fuck most of them. Mostly napped together. Paid above market for this.

😂.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3066108]Yeah I was totally stunned that the OP was not flamed to death. His report basically said:

I spent time with many women who wouldn't blow me or let me finger them. Didn't fuck most of them. Mostly napped together. Paid above market for this.

😂.[/QUOTE]During my first recreational visit to Bangkok I posted that I received CBJ and CFS, I was expecting BBBJ and CFS. My post resulted in multiple responses that CBJ was almost unheard of in Thailand, after that I made sure that all BJs were BB. This was at one of those now gone shit hole massage shops in front of Ambassador on Soi 11.

I understand the Thai P4P industry much better now. It takes time for all of us to learn.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3066120]During my first recreational visit to Bangkok I posted that I received CBJ and CFS, I was expecting BBBJ and CFS. My post resulted in multiple responses that CBJ was almost unheard of in Thailand, after that I made sure that all BJs were BB. This was at one of those now gone shit hole massage shops in front of Ambassador on Soi 11.

I understand the Thai P4P industry much better now. It takes time for all of us to learn.[/QUOTE]I totally agree that it takes several trips to really feel at home and to know what you want and how to get it. I was the same. The difference between you, I and most people compared to Tex H is we recognized our mistakes, took advice and learnt from our rookie mistakes.

He not only thought he knew it all, he didn't listen to one piece of advice given to him from weathered punters on here. Worse still he then went on to cast insults not only on Thai girls, Thai culture, Thailand in general but also on the whole of SE Asia at one point!

[QUOTE=Stl24;3065966]Looking for any recommendations or tips on what's different here vs all those other places I've enjoyed. I'm staying half my time close to Soi Cowboy and the other half near Nana Plaza. One thing I want to avoid is ladyboys.[/QUOTE]Can't speak to how Bangkok is different from "all those other places. " Let's just say it's in a class by itself as a naughty boy destination.

SOI COWBOY: In my view, a shadow of its former self. The bars run by "the Arab" are clip joints. Hot girls will lure you inside and pressure you to buy drinks which turn out to be ridiculously overpriced. You'll leave with blue balls, angry with yourself for being so stupid. For sure "the Arab" runs Rio, Deja Vu, Midnite Bar, Suzie Wong & Spice Girls. He may own more. He does *not* own Baccara or Crazy House. So if you must patronize Soi Cowboy, start with those two places. Otherwise, SC feels to me like it's trading on it's reputation. Too many civilian gawkers. Too much *outside* seating. Inside the bars the girls are just going through the motions.

NANA PLAZA: Inside the plaza itself you'll find multiple go-gos. I've always like the talent they attract: young, fit, pretty face and usually less ink. But if you're looking for taller, curvier and a whiter shade of pale you'll have to check out the upscale soapies like LaBelle and bring a fat wallet. Not that the Nana go-go hotties are cheap. You'll be expected to pay for some drinks, plus a bar fine of 1000-2000, plus a short time fee for the girl that starts around 3000 and goes up. There are short time rooms in the plaza, but the smarter move is to book lodging on Sois 2, 4 or 6. Plenty of options at all prices points. You can also try your luck with freelancers who hang out in Soi 4 beer bars and on the street. The area around Nana and Soi 4 features lots of nightlife and feels more lively to me than Soi Cowboy.

LADYBOYS: As others have noted, they're pretty obvious. But if you're in doubt, just ask. I usually lay on some flattery: "You're so beautiful. Are you lady? Or ladyboy?" The real girls won't be offended. Also, when you bring someone to your hotel it's wise to let them check in with security. Thai ID cards list natal sex. So if you're really concerned explain to the security guy on your way out that you'd appreciate a heads up if your "date" was born male. I usually make this request while forking over a tip of 100 baht.

Of course I've barely scratched the surface. Go back 100 pages and read forward. Make notes in a document your store on your phone. Take advantage of the trip reports that get posted here.

[QUOTE=Bunky;3066356]Can't speak to how Bangkok is different from "all those other places. " Let's just say it's in a class by itself as a naughty boy destination.

SOI COWBOY: In my view, a shadow of its former self. The bars run by "the Arab" are clip joints. Hot girls will lure you inside and pressure you to buy drinks which turn out to be ridiculously overpriced. You'll leave with blue balls, angry with yourself for being so stupid. For sure "the Arab" runs Rio, Deja Vu, Midnite Bar, Suzie Wong & Spice Girls. He may own more. He does *not* own Baccara or Crazy House. So if you must patronize Soi Cowboy, start with those two places. Otherwise, SC feels to me like it's trading on it's reputation. Too many civilian gawkers. Too much *outside* seating. Inside the bars the girls are just going through the motions.

NANA PLAZA: Inside the plaza itself you'll find multiple go-gos. I've always like the talent they attract: young, fit, pretty face and usually less ink. But if you're looking for taller, curvier and a whiter shade of pale you'll have to check out the upscale soapies like LaBelle and bring a fat wallet. Not that the Nana go-go hotties are cheap. You'll be expected to pay for some drinks, plus a bar fine of 1000-2000, plus a short time fee for the girl that starts around 3000 and goes up. There are short time rooms in the plaza, but the smarter move is to book lodging on Sois 2, 4 or 6. Plenty of options at all prices points. You can also try your luck with freelancers who hang out in Soi 4 beer bars and on the street. The area around Nana and Soi 4 features lots of nightlife and feels more lively to me than Soi Cowboy.

LADYBOYS: As others have noted, they're pretty obvious. But if you're in doubt, just ask. I usually lay on some flattery: "You're so beautiful. Are you lady? Or ladyboy?" The real girls won't be offended. Also, when you bring someone to your hotel it's wise to let them check in with security. Thai ID cards list natal sex. So if you're really concerned explain to the security guy on your way out that you'd appreciate a heads up if your "date" was born male. I usually make this request while forking over a tip of 100 baht.

Of course I've barely scratched the surface. Go back 100 pages and read forward. Make notes in a document your store on your phone. Take advantage of the trip reports that get posted here.[/QUOTE]Great summary. A few more notes for my perspective. First. 100% agree cowboy has gone seriously downhill. I tried it once again last fall and remained disappointed. Nana still miles better.

As far as Nana here's a few tips / faves from my POV.

Nana opens at 8 but takes a bit to get rolling. The exception is Red Dragon where there will be 20+ hotties from 8 PM sharp. Great place to start. Be forewarned they have a policy of two lady drinks if you call a girl off stage. Not a scam. Just policy. Know that going in.

Billboard is the best bet for a packed party atmosphere and has a rotating stage that is uber cool. Even if you don't pull from billboard it is a great place to spend time. But I've also pulled some stone cold hotties from there.

Geisha is worth a visit. Lots of pixies there. The girls don't rotate much which sucks but some great looking gals. The first time I went I thought the soapy tub was kinda lame. But second time the girls were all offering h to feel up their naked pussies for a smallish tip. Was kinda great to just sit there and lightly finger a girl (not like deep inside) and watch the spectacle.

Butterflies is a nice club with younger less silicone than biilboard but seems same owner maybe. They have some nice couches and chairs if you can get the mama to give you one. Easy place to hang. Have pulled a gem.

Madarin is upstairs from Res Dragon and all girls are fully naked in the tub with no strategically placed suds. Additionally it is super high mileage if you are buying a girl drinks. Plenty of hands on naked tits and even DFK if your girl is willing. Note that the bar fine and girls are HIGHER than elsewhere. But you can negotiate it down. I've heard a rumor that the girls that ask 5000 are BBFS. I can't confirm that but I can say that the girl I took asked 5000 but took 4000 and was BBFS no questions asked.

Hi Gents. I'm going to be in BKK in June and I've never really been to any sports bars while I've been here. I tried to find a spot that had American football when I was there this past winter and it was near impossible to find a place that showed it. I imagine it will / should be easier to find viewings of the World Cup matches. Anyone have any suggestions for sports bars. Preferably with good views for mongers. TIA.

Sportsman Sports Bar.

[QUOTE=MikeL893;3066576]Hi Gents. I'm going to be in BKK in June and I've never really been to any sports bars while I've been here. I tried to find a spot that had American football when I was there this past winter and it was near impossible to find a place that showed it. I imagine it will / should be easier to find viewings of the World Cup matches. Anyone have any suggestions for sports bars. Preferably with good views for mongers. TIA.[/QUOTE]

I have been in Bangkok for a month or so. I have been to Nana, Soi Cowboy and few BJ bars. I've find the Soi Cowboy way too much expensive compare to Nana.

For First Week: When I land in Bangkok. I slept for few hours after that I opened massage republic to see some freelancer talent in Bangkok. I booked named Nancy who asked for 3000 but negotiated to 2000 for 2 HR. She came gave me nice massage and done the deed. She was friendly and nice. Next stop for me was go to nearby street to find some freelancer. I had my hotel in soi4 so I just went out around 9 PM and search for nice looking Freelancer. I saw short pretty women who was giving me eyes. So I asked she said 2000 and I negotiated 1500 for 1 HR. Around that time I find my self either use massage republic or going out after 10 Pm for freelancer.

For 2nd Week: Went to Nana plaza. Went to few bars on 2nd floor. I saw that as you go higher the more girls become pretty. But I find nice slim girl on ground floor Party club. Also some of the clubs are being rude to other races saying it is private club. I spend 2-3 days with girl from the Party club. I paid 1000 thb but that 1000 thb was just the drinks I ordered and the lady drink. She came with me for 3 K thb. She spend whole night with me. I also asked for her contact which she gave also agreed for 2000 for next time meet. I spend that week alternating between her and some girl from Thaifriendly.

For 3rd Week: I find this very nice chubby chick on Thaifriendly. She say yes to anything and very cooperative. She don't watch time and give experience like GF. This week I went to Soi Cowboy which was complete disappointment. Girls were way too eager for drinks which was 250 thb. She was keeping on asking for more drink as soon she sat with me. Some girl also comes to you with 2 drinks minimum. She rushed and didn't allow much compare to Nana.

I am looking for nice contact who gives good GF experience. If anyone can help? Looking for good real MILF who don't do freelancer as primary job as I am looking for long term. Thanks in advance if anyone can help.

[QUOTE=Bunky;3066356]LADYBOYS: As others have noted, they're pretty obvious. But if you're in doubt, just ask. I usually lay on some flattery: "You're so beautiful. Are you lady? Or ladyboy?" The real girls won't be offended. Also, when you bring someone to your hotel it's wise to let them check in with security. Thai ID cards list natal sex. So if you're really concerned explain to the security guy on your way out that you'd appreciate a heads up if your "date" was born male. I usually make this request while forking over a tip of 100 baht.
[/QUOTE]I was fooled by a couple of ladyboys in Pattaya. The security guard advice is the best solution. You might as well check Adam's apple in their neck, it could give a hint; although some are impossible to identify.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3066387]100% agree Soi Cowboy has gone seriously downhill. I tried it once again last fall and remained disappointed. Nana still miles better. As far as Nana, a few tips: Red Dragon has a full lineup staring at 8:00 sharp. . . . Billboard is the best bet for a packed party atmosphere and has a rotating stage that is uber cool. . . . Geisha is worth a visit. Lots of pixies there. . . . Butterflies is a nice club with younger girls who sport less silicone. . . . Mandarin has all girls are fully naked in the tub with no strategically placed suds. Additionally it is super high mileage if you are buying a girl drinks. Plenty of hands on naked tits and even DFK if your girl is willing. Note that the bar fine and girls are HIGHER than elsewhere. But you can negotiate.[/QUOTE]Solid information from Khun Steve. Bravo. I usually spend the majority of my holiday in Pattaya because I love the chilled out beach vibe. But I usually spend a few days in Bangkok before flying home. The Nana go go girls are younger, slimmer, fitter, prettier and less inked up than just about anybody you'll find in Pattaya. Having so many bars in one place makes it silly simple to find somebody who meets your spec. Granted, the drinks, the bar fines and the girl fees are at the top end of the range. But the Nana tariff isn't any more than on Walking Street, with a far superior selection. Long time sessions are hard to come by, and even then at considerable cost. If that's your goal, you'll probably do better searching the Soi 4 bars for a freelancer.

[QUOTE=Stl24;3065966]Hello gents. I have experience in this pastime all over Europe, South America, Australia, and the US. Looking for any recommendations or tips on what's different here vs all those other places I've enjoyed. I'm staying half my time close to Soi Cowboy and the other half near Nana Plaza.

One thing I want to avoid is ladyboys (no judgements, just not my thing). How can avoid this unwanted surprise. I'll also take any tips on visiting those two places. Thanks in advance fellas.[/QUOTE]OK, I'll bite. Every country is different, of course. Maybe the biggest differentiator between countries / continents is the culture. Thai culture is very polite, very welcoming, and very helpful. On one hand, Thai culture is ancient and you will always be farang / outsider. But given that, Thai culture is very hospitable. Not to knock beautiful Romania, but Thai culture is nearly the opposite. Thai culture is also a bit conservative, so no outdoor bjs.

There's a very wide variety of options in Bangkok, probably wider than any place I've been. I'd strongly encourage avoiding websites (Thai Friendly, etc), and instead go out and encounter actual people, be they bargirls, freelancers, massage girls, BJ bar girls, or whatever. One thing Thailand doesn't have is nude brothels, like the FKKs in Germany. If you miss that, you'll want to go to Germany.

I'd suggest mostly skipping Cowboy and instead focusing on Nana. There are maybe 2 good bars on Cowboy, so one night on Cowboy is enough. Besides Nana, there's Thermae and many massage parlors, both soapy and oily.

Don't worry about ladyboys. If you wonder about someone, just ask. Ladyboys are generally accepted in Thailand, rather than reviled like some places, so people won't generally be offended if you ask. But honestly, it's extremely rare that I have to think about the possibility that someone is a ladyboy, and I haven't had any issues over many years. There are, however, a couple of ladyboy clubs in Nana that you'll probably want to avoid. Keep in mind that Thai girls tend to be fairly short. Tall Thai girls aren't unheard of, but are fairly rare, so if a girl is nearly your height, that might be an opportunity to ask. You' see a lot of quite tall girls in the ladyboy clubs.

[QUOTE=DrPistol;3065113]Just rolled up to Poseidon. It was either that 3 pm is a bad time to go or things have really gone downhill there. Last time I visited a long time ago there could have been 60 or more women on leveled podiums you walk around. Going in now there was 6 or 7 girls on couches only 2 good and it seemed it was "massage" service 90 m 1 shot for between 4-8 k depending on tier. It used to be soapy with multiple I'm pretty sure.[/QUOTE]Yes, 3 pm is a bad time, I suggest trying 6:30-7:30 pm. But better, try another place. I suggest La Belle, which has great bang for the buck, or Maria for much more money.

I finally tried fiwfan. Like one girl's profile. The line app link was already on the page. On adding her on Line, a automatic messaged was sent to me. Telling her price and location of her hotel. I was expecting her to at least match 80% from photo which was shown on the site. I reached the location and send her message with picture of location. She replied with room number. I went up. She looked older and little chubby compared to photos on site. I asked here if she can show her ID to confirm if it is she. She showed her Thai ID. I gave her money and done the deed. I got to know basically all of this owned and operated by agency.

Review on her: She was little chubby and refused to kiss, even though it was mentioned in the post. She was rushing the whole so I also didn't gave much of thought so I came fast and left.

Let me if anyone have on some good info on MILF. Appreciated if someone can help. Thanks.

[QUOTE=EnigmaSensei;3067669]I finally tried fiwfan. Like one girl's profile. The line app link was already on the page. On adding her on Line, a automatic messaged was sent to me. Telling her price and location of her hotel. I was expecting her to at least match 80% from photo which was shown on the site. I reached the location and send her message with picture of location. She replied with room number. I went up. She looked older and little chubby compared to photos on site. I asked here if she can show her ID to confirm if it is she. She showed her Thai ID. I gave her money and done the deed. I got to know basically all of this owned and operated by agency.

Review on her: She was little chubby and refused to kiss, even though it was mentioned in the post. She was rushing the whole so I also didn't gave much of thought so I came fast and left.

Let me if anyone have on some good info on MILF. Appreciated if someone can help. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Tourist? Why would you play with FiwFans? As you learned, not the best.

Haven't been there for a while but found a special girl on their girls today list, she looked like an Arabian princess so I made a booking, which they obviously do not like but grumpily agreed as I was just 10 minutes away. According to the website she is new and apparently half Cambodian. Curled hair and really exotic look. Very dark skinned, lots of tatooes and see cup sillies (for which the surgeon should be sued as they were placed not well) and a piercing in the right tit.

Little English but nice character. Wanted to start with a massage but I do not pay 2500 Baht for that so she started foreplay, nice grinding but asked quickly for a condom so she could start the BJ. First time I experienced that in Bangkok. We never got to the BJ for other reasons and it was a very good, long session apart from that. Has anyone experienced that in Aya or in general recently?

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3067683]Haven't been there for a while but found a special girl on their girls today list, she looked like an Arabian princess so I made a booking, which they obviously do not like but grumpily agreed as I was just 10 minutes away. According to the website she is new and apparently half Cambodian. Curled hair and really exotic look. Very dark skinned, lots of tatooes and see cup sillies (for which the surgeon should be sued as they were placed not well) and a piercing in the right tit.

Little English but nice character. Wanted to start with a massage but I do not pay 2500 Baht for that so she started foreplay, nice grinding but asked quickly for a condom so she could start the BJ. First time I experienced that in Bangkok. We never got to the BJ for other reasons and it was a very good, long session apart from that. Has anyone experienced that in Aya or in general recently?[/QUOTE]Sorry to say and nothing personal, generally speaking in Thailand if this happens in MP shop you need to pay a bit more attention to your dick and general surrounds, I. E grooming, hygiene, odours etc etc, you catch my drift.

Somewhere like Thermae it maybe be more common, a percentage of girls just chancing their arm insisting on CBJ when in the room.

[QUOTE=EnigmaSensei;3067669]I finally tried fiwfan. Like one girl's profile. The line app link was already on the page. On adding her on Line, a automatic messaged was sent to me. Telling her price and location of her hotel. I was expecting her to at least match 80% from photo which was shown on the site. I reached the location and send her message with picture of location. She replied with room number. I went up. She looked older and little chubby compared to photos on site. I asked here if she can show her ID to confirm if it is she. She showed her Thai ID. I gave her money and done the deed. I got to know basically all of this owned and operated by agency.

Review on her: She was little chubby and refused to kiss, even though it was mentioned in the post. She was rushing the whole so I also didn't gave much of thought so I came fast and left.

Let me if anyone have on some good info on MILF. Appreciated if someone can help. Thanks.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter how many times members give the same warnings about Fiwfan spin off sites, rookies keep falling for it. There is no point complaining however it's not as if the experience you had hasn't been highlighted a thousand times before.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3067683]Little English but nice character. Wanted to start with a massage but I do not pay 2500 Baht for that so she started foreplay, nice grinding but asked quickly for a condom so she could start the BJ. First time I experienced that in Bangkok. We never got to the BJ for other reasons and it was a very good, long session apart from that. Has anyone experienced that in Aya or in general recently?[/QUOTE]Aya has gone down hill real bad of late. I had a similar experience to yours only last week, where the girl asked an extra 500 baht for her to complete the blow job she had just started. I told her No, I'm paying extra and the session went bad from there. A big problem at Aya is the management of the place is so poor, almost terrible. They have made the mistake of having too many girls on the schedule which makes picking one at the line up as a pointless exercise as they all look the same after a while. One Saturday evening I had at lease 30 girls to pick from and had to make the decision in 10 seconds. Also having so many girls means that service and standards slip, and attitudes become crap. Aya has proved it, I will be going elsewhere next time.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3067678]Tourist? Why would you play with FiwFans? As you learned, not the best.[/QUOTE]I gave it a try since it was much more cheaper than regular freelancers who kept asking for 3 k for st on TF.

[QUOTE=EnigmaSensei;3067867]I gave it a try since it was much more cheaper than regular freelancers who kept asking for 3 k for st on TF.[/QUOTE]I know it's cliché, but you know what they say ' you get what you pay for' or ' if it looks to good to be true then it usually is. '

I don't know but I mean 3 k isn't a lot of money to pay for what you get and what you are asking another human being to do for you, in this day and age. Really seriously.

[QUOTE=EnigmaSensei;3067867]I gave it a try since it was much more cheaper than regular freelancers who kept asking for 3 k for st on TF.[/QUOTE]So you had a sh1 tty time to save $30 off a potentially bad time off TF.

OK, if any of the elite old timers here have a disagreement with the following rules of life, please let me know.

Rule 1 Thailand is chock full of places and areas where you can meet live girls who will fuck you for money. Get out there, they arent photoshopped or fake and you can pick the one you want.

Rule 2 Unless you actually live in Thailand (by that I mean someone who is there for at least 6 months a year) and know how the country works, TF, Fiw Fans and other internet resources are a waste of time. See Rule 1.

Rule 3 If you are so broke ass that you need to haggle over $30, stay home.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3067709]Sorry to say and nothing personal, generally speaking in Thailand if this happens in MP shop you need to pay a bit more attention to your dick and general surrounds, I. E grooming, hygiene, odours etc etc, you catch my drift.

Somewhere like Thermae it maybe be more common, a percentage of girls just chancing their arm insisting on CBJ when in the room.[/QUOTE]Oh, you mean because I am Indian? But I shower once every month.

It was not a hygiene issue but a principal of the girl that is why I was asking. And she was the only one on this trip so far, but yes it still applies here to be dressed and showered appropriately.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3067935]So you had a sh1 tty time to save $30 off a potentially bad time off TF.

OK, if any of the elite old timers here have a disagreement with the following rules of life, please let me know.

Rule 1 Thailand is chock full of places and areas where you can meet live girls who will fuck you for money. Get out there, they arent photoshopped or fake and you can pick the one you want.

Rule 2 Unless you actually live in Thailand (by that I mean someone who is there for at least 6 months a year) and know how the country works, TF, Fiw Fans and other internet resources are a waste of time. See Rule 1.

Rule 3 If you are so broke ass that you need to haggle over $30, stay home.[/QUOTE]This is spot on. All points. My advice no matter where you go is do what that country / city does well. In the case of Bangkok that's the gogos and massage places. Stick to those and you won't be sorry.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3067935]

Rule 2 Unless you actually live in Thailand (by that I mean someone who is there for at least 6 months a year) and know how the country works, TF, Fiw Fans and other internet resources are a waste of time. See Rule 1.

.[/QUOTE]Disagree with this. I lived there for a decade and now visit for holidays. TF still reigns supreme. One trip in 2024 I landed at swampy, in the car to the hotel messaged three girls I found using the recently online function, and by the time I was checked in and bag on the bed I had the call that a girl was there for me. 19 yrs old in BKK stunning and fucked her bare in the shower and then went for ah LT on the basis of that. That was the 10 pm landing flight as well. FiW Fans tend to agree a little but it is a lot of the girls from the Teen spas and they might cost more but you actually can get top tier beauties as opposed to the standard isaan mattress warriors you get in the bars.

[QUOTE=Akka76;3068133]Disagree with this. I lived there for a decade and now visit for holidays. TF still reigns supreme. One trip in 2024 I landed at swampy, in the car to the hotel messaged three girls I found using the recently online function, and by the time I was checked in and bag on the bed I had the call that a girl was there for me. 19 yrs old in BKK stunning and fucked her bare in the shower and then went for ah LT on the basis of that. That was the 10 pm landing flight as well. FiW Fans tend to agree a little but it is a lot of the girls from the Teen spas and they might cost more but you actually can get top tier beauties as opposed to the standard isaan mattress warriors you get in the bars.[/QUOTE]You lived there for a decade. You know the drill. You know what to look for. That's why I, who no longer live there, don't get mattress warriors anywhere, and if I was living in Pak Kret or Phra Padaeng or Pathum Thani or Min Buri I would sure be on the net rather than schlepping all the way downtown for a nut.

In contrast, Jahid from Mumbai on his first trip out of the country who started wacking off to those websites because he read about them here is going to be nothing but disappointed.

Fellow Mongers,

I am all booked for 10 days. I am flying Korean Air via Seoul and staying at Hotel Icon on Soi 2. Current plan is to stay in [B]Bangkok[/B], but I might add a quick trip to [B]Pattaya[/B] since it's an easy bus trip and I can do so in a day. I might even stay there overnight. Who knows. I still got 6 months to figure shit out. LOL.

Please note: I am an 45 yr old single guy of [B]Indian[/B] origin. I don't live in India. I am US based. Moved to US as a teenager with parents and a US citizen. I fully understand that at some point I will face a little bit of discrimination. I take that as par for the course. Also I will be visiting Bangkok solo. I won't be in group of 5-6 guys, which I understand is frowned upon.

Here is the research that I have done so far suggests, and then I have some follow up questions.

[B][u]Research Notes:[/u] [/B]

General Prices - (price includes bar fines, lady drinks, small tip afterwards for job well done).

GoGo Bars 5000/6000 THB.

Soapy Nuru - 3000/4000 THB.

Beer Bars Girls 2500/3000 THB.

Freelancers 1500/2500 THB.

[B]GoGo Bars -.[/B]

Nana Plaza (BillBoard, Spanky's, Butterflies).

Soi Cowboy (Cowboy2, Tillac, Baccara, DollHouse).

[B]Massage Parlor forr Soapy and Nuru.[/B]

Full Moon.

Butterfly,

Mango,

Ten,

Fin69.

Emmanuelle, Poseidon, La Belle. These are massive complexes and quite expensive.

[B]Some Follow up Questions:[/B]

Do you pay girl from GoGo bar after the deed or before you take her back to hotel? My research suggests you only pay mamasan beforehand and pay the girl afterwards.

What is the best way to scan / preview talent at GoGo bars. My plan is to go in and order drink. If I don't like the talent quickly leave so as not to take up the real estate.

Thanks again for everyone who has helped so far. Without your collective knowledge, I would have never taken the step to venture out.

Feel free to critique my research. I am always up for receiving any constructive criticism.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228][B]GoGo Bars -.[/B]

Soi Cowboy (Tillac).[/QUOTE]There are many bars on Soi Cowboy owned by some "Arab" (or so he is called around here). Scams such as bill padding are common there. Tilac is one of them. I would avoid it. You can search other Arab bars to beware of.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]Do you pay girl from GoGo bar after the deed or before you take her back to hotel? My research suggests you only pay mamasan beforehand and pay the girl afterwards.
[/QUOTE]Yes, your research is correct. But keep in mind, many places will require Indians to pay the lady's fee before taking her out.

If you do so, you lose all leverage. I would recommend refusing and even walking away if any bar insists you pay all the money before service.

I believe EverythingThai had shared a useful tip. That is, take out the cash and show it to the bar staff to clarify that you have the money to pay later.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]What is the best way to scan / preview talent at GoGo bars. My plan is to go in and order drink. If I don't like the talent quickly leave so as not to take up the real estate.[/QUOTE]Do not feel compelled to sit down if you do not like what you see when you walk in. There are many other places.

Drinks-only ladies are a big problem at many gogo bars. Also, some ladies might not prefer to go with you. This has happened with me many times.

Here is what I typically do at a gogo bar. I order my drink and look around to make a mental list of all the ones I like and their tag number. Then I would buy the waitress a lady drink and request her to tell me if any of the ladies I liked is interested in going ST or LT with me.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;3068323]There are many bars on Soi Cowboy owned by some "Arab" (or so he is called around here). Scams such as bill padding are common there. Tilac is one of them. I would avoid it. You can search other Arab bars to beware of.
.[/QUOTE]Tilac is not a bar run by "The Arab" . His bars include Midnight, Deja Vu, Spice Girls, Sahara, and Rio.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;3068323]There are many bars on Soi Cowboy owned by some "Arab" (or so he is called around here). Scams such as bill padding are common there. Tilac is one of them. I would avoid it. You can search other Arab bars to beware of.

Yes, your research is correct. But keep in mind, many places will require Indians to pay the lady's fee before taking her out.

If you do so, you lose all leverage. I would recommend refusing and even walking away if any bar insists you pay all the money before service.

I believe EverythingThai had shared a useful tip. That is, take out the cash and show it to the bar staff to clarify that you have the money to pay later.

Do not feel compelled to sit down if you do not like what you see when you walk in. There are many other places.

Drinks-only ladies are a big problem at many gogo bars. Also, some ladies might not prefer to go with you. This has happened with me many times..[/QUOTE]Those are some excellent tips [B] Shikhar [/B] I will definitely put them to use. I like the one where you especially buy the waitress a drink to get you to work on your behalf. That's a boss move!! I also like the one to take out the cash and flash it to let them know that you got the means and you are not a broke person. Trying to nickel and dime them. More than happy to walk away if asked to pay everything upfront. It's Bangkok baby. Ain't going to be hurting for pussy.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3067920]I know it's clich, but you know what they say ' you get what you pay for' or ' if it looks to good to be true then it usually is. '

I don't know but I mean 3 k isn't a lot of money to pay for what you get and what you are asking another human being to do for you, in this day and age. Really seriously.[/QUOTE]Nah. 3 k is not a lot [B]to you[/B] for that. I just posted about being in a spot in Colombia where you could fuck every chick in the place for 20 minutes each for the $12 entry fee. I think there were 7 chicks and I fucked 5, so that was $2.40/ chick. Then I remember Calle 18 in Guayaquil where chicks were $6. When I first started going to Rio the downtown places were 1 real per minute and the USD was 1 to 4, so 25 cents per minute. 1 hour $15. (Currently 1 to 5, so I got a few last month in Rio for $20 - only a $5 increase from 25 years ago.) So the shit is relative. Maybe $90 is not a lot of money to pay in New York or London for that, but in many other places it definitely is.

I can count on 1 hand the number of freelance chicks who have even dared ask that much in Pattaya over the last 19 years. The one in my bed now has been here since 10 pm and it is now past noon. I am giving her 1500 baht. And I just started giving chicks 1500 LT last week. Before that it was 1200 and before that 1000. In Bangkok in January the first chick I even asked agreed to 2000 LT. The night before that some chick was begging me to take her for 1500 LT. Another guy staying at the same hotel (Aira) came and scooped her up on his way inside for the night.

I remember being in Amsterdam and asking a chick in one of those boxes how much to fuck and she told me 140 euro. I asked her why so much. She said that she had to pay 80 euro / day for the box. So in that case it would have been 2200 baht the chick in Amsterdam actually got, quite less than the 3000 baht you are saying is not a lot to pay [B]in a 3rd world country where the minimum wage is 400 baht/day.[/B] If you were the average Thai dude, you would not even have 3000 baht to spend that way, so bringing your foreign currency earnings into the situation instead of the local economy, seems to be your basis for the statement.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]
[B]GoGo Bars -.[/B]
Nana Plaza (BillBoard, Spanky's, Butterflies).
Soi Cowboy (Cowboy2, Tillac, Baccara, DollHouse).
[/QUOTE]Don't forget Crazy House, just around the corner of Soi Cowboy, in Soi 23.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]
[B]Some Follow up Questions:[/B]

Do you pay girl from GoGo bar after the deed or before you take her back to hotel? My research suggests you only pay mamasan beforehand and pay the girl afterwards.

What is the best way to scan / preview talent at GoGo bars. My plan is to go in and order drink. If I don't like the talent quickly leave so as not to take up the real estate.

[/QUOTE]You did a good job of researching prices. Concerning the venues you listed, that's a matter of personal taste. I've had great times at the first 3 massage shops that you've listed, but I don't personally know the others. Since COVID, Nana Plaza has been better for me than Cowboy, but it's still a crap shoot.

Paying for Nana Plaza go-go girls has historically involved paying the bar fine while still in the bar (typically about 1000 baht) and then paying the girl after services (about 3000 baht). About 1 or 2 years ago I started to get pressure to pay for the whole thing in advance (all 4000 up front), even from mamasan who I've used many times in the past (and tipped quite nicely). I've always refuse full pre-payment and mamasan has always caved in. Since you appear to be Indian, that might not work for you. Others have suggested you show the money to mamasan. Another thought is to show her your USA passport (or a copy on your phone).

I preview the Nana Plaza bar talent by walking in, looking around and often walking out. I only sit down and buy a drink if I see something that appeals to me and she returns my smiles. For a big bar (like Geisha), I might look around for about 2 minutes. For a small bar (like Spanky's), I might be in the bar only 20 seconds before I turn around and leave.

By tipping over the years I've developed relationships with 2 mamasans, though one has disappeared. The remaining mamasan is my most valuable asset in Bangkok. Every time I see her I give her a tip. Every time I bar fine one of her girls, I give her a big tip. In return, she seems to give girls instructions to treat me well because her girls have been very good to me (it's not a crap shoot with these girls).

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]Fellow Mongers,
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Nana Plaza (BillBoard, Spanky's, Butterflies).
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Emmanuelle, Poseidon, La Belle. These are massive complexes and quite expensive.
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[/QUOTE]I would add Red Dragon and Geisha to your Nana Plaza list, and possibly Rainbow 5 and On Top. For your soapies list, I'd perhaps skip Emmanuelle and Poseidon, and focus on La Belle, which is actually not expensive. There's a broad range of prices (ranging from THB 2700 - 8500), but some of the girls in the lower price ranges are very good. For a more expensive soapy place, Maria can be good, though much more expensive.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3068403]By tipping over the years I've developed relationships with 2 mamasans, though one has disappeared. The remaining mamasan is my most valuable asset in Bangkok. Every time I see her I give her a tip. Every time I bar fine one of her girls, I give her a big tip. In return, she seems to give girls instructions to treat me well because her girls have been very good to me (it's not a crap shoot with these girls).[/QUOTE]How much do you consider a good tip for the mamasan?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3068395]
I remember being in Amsterdam and asking a chick in one of those boxes how much to fuck and she told me 140 euro. I asked her why so much. She said that she had to pay 80 euro / day for the box. So in that case it would have been 2200 baht the chick in Amsterdam actually got, quite less than the 3000 baht you are saying is not a lot to pay in a 3rd world country where the minimum wage is 400 baht/day. [/QUOTE]This chick in Amsterdam was most likely paying 80 euro / shift for the box. They either work in the day shift, from around 9 AM to 6 PM, or in the evening shift, from around 6 PM to 2 AM (or whatever the closing time is these days).
And if she looks good, she will of course have more than one customer per shift. So she actually makes more money than in your calculation.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3068399]Don't forget Crazy House, just around the corner of Soi Cowboy, in Soi 23.[/QUOTE]Yeah. The staff is very pushy for lady drinks but the ladies are fully naked and on average, better looking as per my taste than most other gogo bars.

If you look Indian, the security guard will probably ask for an "entry fee". It was 500 baht a few years ago.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228][B]Massage Parlor forr Soapy and Nuru.[/B]

Full Moon.

Butterfly,

Mango,

Ten,

Fin69[/QUOTE]I would also recommend Kokoro Massage and Ariel Massage. Yaya at Kokoro and Hikaru at Aries are pretty good.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3068403]You did a good job of researching prices. Concerning the venues you listed, that's a matter of personal taste. I've had great times at the first 3 massage shops that you've listed, but I don't personally know the others. Since COVID, Nana Plaza has been better for me than Cowboy, but it's still a crap shoot.

Paying for Nana Plaza go-go girls has historically involved paying the bar fine while still in the bar (typically about 1000 baht) and then paying the girl after services (about 3000 baht). About 1 or 2 years ago I started to get pressure to pay for the whole thing in advance (all 4000 up front), even from mamasan who I've used many times in the past (and tipped quite nicely). I've always refuse full pre-payment and mamasan has always caved in. Since you appear to be Indian, that might not work for you. Others have suggested you show the money to mamasan. Another thought is to show her your USA passport (or a copy on your phone).

I preview the Nana Plaza bar talent by walking in, looking around and often walking out. I only sit down and buy a drink if I see something that appeals to me and she returns my smiles. For a big bar (like Geisha), I might look around for about 2 minutes. For a small bar (like Spanky's), I might be in the bar only 20 seconds before I turn around and leave..[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it better myself.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;3068404]I would add Red Dragon and Geisha to your Nana Plaza list, and possibly Rainbow 5 and On Top. For your soapies list, I'd perhaps skip Emmanuelle and Poseidon, and focus on La Belle, which is actually not expensive. There's a broad range of prices (ranging from THB 2700 - 8500), but some of the girls in the lower price ranges are very good. For a more expensive soapy place, Maria can be good, though much more expensive.[/QUOTE]Hey can you share your experience with Rainbow? I never found anything of interest or exciting there. Maybe I missed out on something in the past when I was just looking around. Thanks!

I didn't get to try Red Fern on this trip but every time I went by, it always looked like there were good looking girls there. There was also a gentleman sitting outside in the corner, big beard and he waved me over after he had seen me walk be a few times to / from Wood / Annie's. He told me to come in, gave me the speech: you choose a girl, she chooses another girl and you get as many shots as you want in 90 minutes. Tempting but maybe next time.

I remember my sessions at SOL fondly and have never quite found something as seedy. There are a lot of place that are dirty and rundown in BKK but seedy? Not really. SOL was, to me, awesome for that reason. RIP.

Went to Patpong to check out the area for old times sake. Mid-afternoon. Not a lot of places open but the LB bars had a few of them gals sitting outside and calling you in. Went to the first floor balcony and there was a small place (Bar 69? But they were asking some ridiculous amount. Kept walking and found The World (sp?) - it's on street level but it is somehow in a alleyway on the main Patpong road. Urban planning Thailand style. A couple of LBs were following me and trying to convince me to do a massage but got quiet and kept walking as soon as I stopped at The Worlds.

2 not-so-young ladies sitting outside, quick conversation and the older one essentially lives there and BJs 24/7. The other looked younger but has had a hard life. I went with the younger and inside, it feels seedy like Star of Light. She asked me to sit in the corner which had curtains that could be drawn for privacy. As no one was around, no need for curtains. I think if somebody had come in, I would have asked for them not to draw the curtain. She asked if I wanted anything to drink, I said maybe later and then she got on her knees, cleaned me up and proceeded. Did a little bit of an eye role when I asked her to take off her shirt and she had nice firm tits. It was a good blowjob. 800 Bhat, did not stay for a drink.

I usually go to Kasalong for my quickie BJ but the talent there looked old and tired. I had already tried The World (ex-SOL) and didn't want to go back. Walked by Lolitas and saw a young girl and said let's go. Nue looked like a 23 year old but was probably 30, very cute, very fun. I think it was a slow day, there was only one other person upstairs and as I sat and waited for Nue to get her things, I could hear a humming coming from the other stall. She must have been humming as she was blowing which I thought was pretty cool.

Nue starts and she is really good. Highly recommended. So much so, that as soon as she started, I wanted a second session. She knows how to lick, where to lick and how to suck. And she has so much suction! You could feel the Hoover of her mouth sucking up my cock. I nutted within 5 minutes! Oh almost forgot, she has these nice sized be cup tits that are just the perfect handful and she lets you play with them as much as you want.

She was fun to hang out with and I wanted to go for another round so suggested we sit and have a beer. She just laughed at me and said no way I could go again. She literally kicked me out and told me to come back in a few hours you crazy old man. Went and had lunch, checked off a few items on my list of things to do and I went back to Lolitas.

She was there waiting, hugged me and brought me in. She was ready to take me upstairs but I still wanted my beer and I asked if she would like to join me. She was a little surprised with this but we sat and had a drink together. Had a really good chat and she explains how the system works here, that I should get a girl for an hour for "boom boom" and she will join and lick my cock as I boom boom the other girl. I am intrigued and she continues the sell by demonstrating how she would do it, such a fun conversation. I tell her that I am not going to be as fast in round 2 and the conversation goes down this path that she has given a blowjob for 2 hours once. No cum, no quit!

We go back upstairs and again, same thing but just a lot more relaxed. But her technique and suction power are as good as ever. Tells me to relax and says she will suck me until I come. Such a good blowjob.

I am leaving the next day and want to have one more session with her. My plan is to go to Annie's for a massage before heading to the airport but maybe squeeze in a blowjob before that. Unfortunately, Nue is not working tomorrow so she introduces my to her pussy licking friend. She brings Bom over, introduces her as the pussy that she would lick if we did a threesome and said I am number 1, Bom is number 2. Okay then!

Next day, Bom is waiting for me in the morning. She wears glasses and has a schoolgirl look with that Lolita uniform. We go upstairs and she is just so relaxed and proceeds to give me a nice, long blowjob while I sip my TomnTom's coffee. She talks quite a bit which I didn't mind and encourage as she either always had her tongue or fingers doing something on my cock. She would be fondling my cock, telling me about how big she wants her boobjob to be, licking my cock, reflecting on what size is best for her. I loved it.

If I had more time, I would definitely be taking Nue and Bom together. Oh well, next time I guess.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;3068506]I remember my sessions at SOL fondly and have never quite found something as seedy. There are a lot of place that are dirty and rundown in BKK but seedy? Not really. SOL was, to me, awesome for that reason. RIP.

Went to Patpong to check out the area for old times sake. Mid-afternoon. Not a lot of places open but the LB bars had a few of them gals sitting outside and calling you in. Went to the first floor balcony and there was a small place (Bar 69? But they were asking some ridiculous amount. Kept walking and found The World (sp?) - it's on street level but it is somehow in a alleyway on the main Patpong road. Urban planning Thailand style. A couple of LBs were following me and trying to convince me to do a massage but got quiet and kept walking as soon as I stopped at The Worlds.

2 not-so-young ladies sitting outside, quick conversation and the older one essentially lives there and BJs 24/7. The other looked younger but has had a hard life. I went with the younger and inside, it feels seedy like Star of Light. She asked me to sit in the corner which had curtains that could be drawn for privacy. As no one was around, no need for curtains. I think if somebody had come in, I would have asked for them not to draw the curtain. She asked if I wanted anything to drink, I said maybe later and then she got on her knees, cleaned me up and proceeded. Did a little bit of an eye role when I asked her to take off her shirt and she had nice firm tits. It was a good blowjob. 800 Bhat, did not stay for a drink.[/QUOTE]You missed out there big time by not doing your research, being a tight wad and not playing the game. If you had bought a drink for them you would have had a whole different level of experience from both of them (together at same time).

[QUOTE=Leesean0105;3068483]Hey can you share your experience with Rainbow? I never found anything of interest or exciting there. Maybe I missed out on something in the past when I was just looking around. Thanks![/QUOTE]It changes from night to night, week to week.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3068668]It changes from night to night, week to week.[/QUOTE]Thanks I'll make a few rounds there this coming week.

Just reporting that, possibly due to a recent or rumored sweep of ladies on the stroll up and down Sukhumvit Soi 4, sometimes referred to as Soi Nana, there has been very few ladies on that soi over the past few days. I have never seen it so empty from sunset until around 10 pm - 11 pm, which is usually the latest I pass through the area.

And it's not just the Vietnamese and African ladies that have gone missing. There are fewer Thai girls to be seen in front of Hooters and the Nana Hotel parking lot too.

Since these things can and do change from hour to hour and certainly from night to night maybe it will be as packed as Grand Central Station at Thanksgiving tonight as it had been up until last week. But I just wanted to put this out as an unusual recent condition for anyone who might have arrived for the first time over the past week or so and wondered why it doesn't look anything like those YouTube walkabout videos show it to be.

I maintain many of the better girls don't bother to show up for work during slow season. But I have never seen nights where almost nobody shows up to work as I have seen in the Soi Nana area over the past few days.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3068804]Just reporting that, possibly due to a recent or rumored sweep of ladies on the stroll up and down Sukhumvit Soi 4, sometimes referred to as Soi Nana, there has been very few ladies on that soi over the past few days. I have never seen it so empty from sunset until around 10 pm - 11 pm, which is usually the latest I pass through the area.

And it's not just the Vietnamese and African ladies that have gone missing. There are fewer Thai girls to be seen in front of Hooters and the Nana Hotel parking lot too.

Since these things can and do change from hour to hour and certainly from night to night maybe it will be as packed as Grand Central Station at Thanksgiving tonight as it had been up until last week. But I just wanted to put this out as an unusual recent condition for anyone who might have arrived for the first time over the past week or so and wondered why it doesn't look anything like those YouTube walkabout videos show it to be.

I maintain many of the better girls don't bother to show up for work during slow season. But I have never seen nights where almost nobody shows up to work as I have seen in the Soi Nana area over the past few days.[/QUOTE]When I left in late December, there was a paucity of girls at the Nana lot. Interesting.

I apologize in advance for this rookie question, but yes, I have RTFF (researched the effing forum) already. And I'm pretty sure I already know the answer but just wanted to confirm my findings.

I've never visited Pattaya but am quite intrigued by the YT videos which chronicle their gentleman's clubs (GC's). These are more my speed than the glitzy go-go's and open-fronted beer bars.

I'm making plans to travel back to Bangkok soon. I've spent many a night on previous trips traipsing around the Patpong area and the Sukhumvit Road hinterland but have not noticed bars which I would interpret to be classic Pattaya-style GC's.

I've been following this forum for many years and can't recall ever seeing reports on GC's in Bangkok. When I checked on the web, the only information I've found is about more upscale clubs that are out of my price range and comfort zone.

My question is, am I correct in assuming that GC's are pretty much nonexistent outside of Pattaya? But if there are any available, where are they located?

I would prefer vacation in Bangkok as there's plenty of ways to occupy my time other than the sex and bar environment. But if BKK is indeed a GC desert, I'll grudgingly hop a southbound bus and go pop my Pattaya cherry.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;3068960]My question is, am I correct in assuming that GC's are pretty much nonexistent outside of Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Yes. I have never seen any Pattaya style GC (that is reasonably priced and has a relaxed atmosphere) outside of Pattaya.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;3068960]When I checked on the web, the only information I've found is about more upscale clubs that are out of my price range and comfort zone.[/QUOTE]Yes, technically there are "gentlemen's clubs" like The Pimp in Bangkok and Harem in Phuket. But as you said, they are nothing like Pattaya GCs.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3068853]When I left in late December, there was a paucity of girls at the Nana lot. Interesting.[/QUOTE]There were a lot of girls on Soi 4, including in the Nana lot, in February.

[QUOTE=Leesean0105;3068483]Hey can you share your experience with Rainbow? I never found anything of interest or exciting there. Maybe I missed out on something in the past when I was just looking around. Thanks![/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 and Rainbow 5 are adjacent. Rainbow 4 is very good if you're Asian (I'm not), and not so good if you're not (many girls won't barfine non-Asians). Rainbow 5 is fine for non-Asians. It can vary a lot from night to night. Weekends are best, and early week is slow. It's not on my 'favorites' short list, it's on the next tier. If you manage to hit the day right, though, it's really good on one night toward the end of the month, when practically all the girls come in to get paid. Try sitting between the two rows, so you can see both rows. If it's not a good night, perhaps bail and head for Red Dragon. To be honest, I do that the majority of the time.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;3068998]There were a lot of girls on Soi 4, including in the Nana lot, in February.[/QUOTE]Last night from 8 pm to 10 pm that stretch of Soi 4 from the Nana Hotel to the Soi 6 intersection was like a ghost town. I only counted 6-7 ladies standing around the whole way. The usual suspects that have been hanging around there for years. Maybe one was a Vietnamese girl from before and 1 African. And they hadn't spread around the area into other sois that I cruised through on my bike. Very few ladies on the stroll on Soi 11 and Sukhumvit from Soi 4 to Asoke. Mostly ladyboys.

It has been like this for 8-9 days. Usually after potential visa violation sweeps the ladies are back on duty the next day or two. But I will also add the 3-4 hotties I know fairly well in the Nana Plaza gogo bars have also not been in town or on the job for about a week. They have either kicked back to hang out with their family in another province or timed it the best they could to be a holiday girlfriend for a visiting ardent sponsor. Maybe it will turn around this weekend.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3068804]Just reporting that, possibly due to a recent or rumored sweep of ladies on the stroll up and down Sukhumvit Soi 4, sometimes referred to as Soi Nana, there has been very few ladies on that soi over the past few days. I have never seen it so empty from sunset until around 10 pm - 11 pm, which is usually the latest I pass through the area.

And it's not just the Vietnamese and African ladies that have gone missing. There are fewer Thai girls to be seen in front of Hooters and the Nana Hotel parking lot too.[/QUOTE]There has definitely been a sustained sweep of the foreign girls working Soi 4 as I have observed for the past 6 days straight. This severely impacts all foreign varieties (Viet, African, Uzbek, Arab, etc) and to a lesser extent the Thai girls. At times there were even Soi 4 girls waiting out LE raids sitting at the ST hotel front balconies. However, as of the past couple nights I observed about 25 percent of normal volumes around 11:30 pm when I finished my TF hook-ups exiting from my regular Soi 4 short time hotel. My guess is that this is all fallout from the Thai PM getting involved in the Chinese weapons debacle which was discovered in Pattaya. Cleanups never last forever.

All misplaced LE energy against the wrong foreigners if you ask me. I would gladly donate a brown packet to the Lumpini police district if they would round up and summarily deport all of the African drug dealers and Pakistani snake oil scammers openly plying their trade along Sukhimvit. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3069050]when I finished my TF hook-ups exiting from my regular Soi 4 short time hotel.[/QUOTE]I am looking for a ST hotel for TF girls. Which one is exactly the one you use for this?

[QUOTE=Francesco24;3069204]I am looking for a ST hotel for TF girls. Which one is exactly the one you use for this?[/QUOTE]There is a small sub-Soi across from the Maison Hotel between the 711 and Tavern pub. You have choices. The hotels with short time rooms are Rose Nana, Charming, diPlace, Orchid 1 and 2 as well as another with a new frontage. The hotel with the new frontage is also used for services provided by the girls and ladyboys at the entrance of the alleyway offering "massage". Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3069276]There is a small sub-Soi across from the Maison Hotel between the 711 and Tavern pub. You have choices. The hotels with short time rooms are Rose Nana, Charming, diPlace, Orchid 1 and 2 as well as another with a new frontage. The hotel with the new frontage is also used for services provided by the girls and ladyboys at the entrance of the alleyway offering "massage". Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Thanks, do you suggest any of them over the others maybe? Cheaper or better room etc.

Hello,

This may be a stupid question but, as everyone, I do have some "fantasies".

Has anyone been able to take a girl from Hooters?

Just asking for a friend.

F.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3069276]There is a small sub-Soi across from the Maison Hotel between the 711 and Tavern pub. You have choices. The hotels with short time rooms are Rose Nana, Charming, diPlace, Orchid 1 and 2 as well as another with a new frontage. The hotel with the new frontage is also used for services provided by the girls and ladyboys at the entrance of the alleyway offering "massage". Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]I've been to most of those over the years and only once was it up to my low standards. I don't remember which one it was, but it was on the left a ways down that alley. I don't use those ST hotels now. I'd rather walk to Soi 7/1 and go to Atlas. If I recall, Atlas is a few baht more expensive.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3069368]I've been to most of those over the years and only once was it up to my low standards. I don't remember which one it was, but it was on the left a ways down that alley. I don't use those ST hotels now. I'd rather walk to Soi 7/1 and go to Atlas. If I recall, Atlas is a few baht more expensive.[/QUOTE]The second one on the left is ok as I have no standards.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3069378]The second one on the left is ok as I have no standards.[/QUOTE]If you have no standards then all of them should be OK.

[QUOTE=Fleaker29;3069323]Hello,
This may be a stupid question but, as everyone, I do have some "fantasies".
Has anyone been able to take a girl from Hooters?
Just asking for a friend.
F.[/QUOTE]Do an advanced search for 'Hooters' in the Thailand forum. Over the years there have been some reports from guys who tried to get a Hooters girls. The majority of them did not succeed IIRC.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3069368]I've been to most of those over the years and only once was it up to my low standards. I don't remember which one it was, but it was on the left a ways down that alley. I don't use those ST hotels now. I'd rather walk to Soi 7/1 and go to Atlas. If I recall, Atlas is a few baht more expensive.[/QUOTE]Yep, Atlas is another option if you don't mind a slightly longer stroll from Nana Plaza. Atlas raised their ST price to 350 bhat per hour almost a year ago. IMO, the extra 50 bhat is inconsequential. I have used Atlas quite a bit too, but try to avoid rooms 201,202 and 203 because they are right on top of the very noisy beer bar on the ground floor. And since Atlas makes so few rooms available for ST, I have had to wait up to 15 min for a room to be available during peak season. Always better to have choices and options, though. Enjoy BKK, AR.

I will be in Bangkok next week for 3 days. If nana plaza does not have freelancers walking around then what options do we have to pick freelancers? Thai friendly or massage spots? Or do we go to thermae?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3068804]Just reporting that, possibly due to a recent or rumored sweep of ladies on the stroll up and down Sukhumvit Soi 4, sometimes referred to as Soi Nana, there has been very few ladies on that soi over the past few days. I have never seen it so empty from sunset until around 10 pm - 11 pm, which is usually the latest I pass through the area.

And it's not just the Vietnamese and African ladies that have gone missing. There are fewer Thai girls to be seen in front of Hooters and the Nana Hotel parking lot too.

Since these things can and do change from hour to hour and certainly from night to night maybe it will be as packed as Grand Central Station at Thanksgiving tonight as it had been up until last week. But I just wanted to put this out as an unusual recent condition for anyone who might have arrived for the first time over the past week or so and wondered why it doesn't look anything like those YouTube walkabout videos show it to be.

I maintain many of the better girls don't bother to show up for work during slow season. But I have never seen nights where almost nobody shows up to work as I have seen in the Soi Nana area over the past few days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3069562]what options do we have to pick freelancers? Thai friendly or massage spots? Or do we go to thermae?[/QUOTE]Slightly more girls on the streets as of last night, but still much diminished from normal volumes. Happy to report though that Thermae and TF operating normally, the latter of which has been providing some exceptional talent for me over the past 2 weeks. Always have a backup plan. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=Fleaker29;3069323]This may be a stupid question but, as everyone, I do have some "fantasies". Has anyone been able to take a girl from Hooters?[/QUOTE]Nobody has been able to do it with proof (eg pics). Easiest way to execute this might be to go online and get a uniform and play dress-up with a regular. IMHO uniformed girls, whether they be uni students, Hooters servers, Thai airways stewardesses or simple 711 clerks, are typically nothing special once the uniform comes off. The key to the fantasy is to memorialize the session incorporating the uniform. Otherwise, what difference is it? For consideration. Enjoy, AR.

Anyone here remember the name of that Thai website that had listings of incalls? Something like finfan, fuefan?

By TF you mean thai friendly? Also what are the freelancer rates for thermae?

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3069619]Slightly more girls on the streets as of last night, but still much diminished from normal volumes. Happy to report though that Thermae and TF operating normally, the latter of which has been providing some exceptional talent for me over the past 2 weeks. Always have a backup plan. Enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breadman;3069685]Anyone here remember the name of that Thai website that had listings of incalls? Something like finfan, fuefan?[/QUOTE]Fiw Fans, but it was shut down.

Fiwfan dot app is the new one (not sure if we can post links, here it is if so: [URL]https://fiwfan.app[/URL] and there you go.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3069712]By TF you mean thai friendly? Also what are the freelancer rates for thermae?[/QUOTE]Same as those reported over the past few months.

[QUOTE=Breadman;3069685]Anyone here remember the name of that Thai website that had listings of incalls? Something like finfan, fuefan?[/QUOTE]If only there was a dedicated thread. Old site busted by LE. New sites are a shadow of the original. Enjoy, AR.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4294-Fiwfans[/URL]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3068403]You did a good job of researching prices. Concerning the venues you listed, that's a matter of personal taste. I've had great times at the first 3 massage shops that you've listed, but I don't personally know the others. Since COVID, Nana Plaza has been better for me than Cowboy, but it's still a crap shoot.

Paying for Nana Plaza go-go girls has historically involved paying the bar fine while still in the bar (typically about 1000 baht) and then paying the girl after services (about 3000 baht). About 1 or 2 years ago I started to get pressure to pay for the whole thing in advance (all 4000 up front), even from mamasan who I've used many times in the past (and tipped quite nicely). I've always refuse full pre-payment and mamasan has always caved in. Since you appear to be Indian, that might not work for you. Others have suggested you show the money to mamasan. Another thought is to show her your USA passport (or a copy on your phone).

I preview the Nana Plaza bar talent by walking in, looking around and often walking out. I only sit down and buy a drink if I see something that appeals to me and she returns my smiles. For a big bar (like Geisha), I might look around for about 2 minutes. For a small bar (like Spanky's), I might be in the bar only 20 seconds before I turn around and leave..[/QUOTE]Thanks [B] Horse Trader [/B] Those are some excellent trips. Thanks to you and [B] Shikhar [/B] I do carry a US Passport Card in my wallet. I actually look more Hispanic than Indian TBH. I will definitely tip mamasan but I am not sure how much relationship I will be able to develop since I am there only 10 days. You seem to be more local to Bangkok scene. So it's a bit different for you.

I finally met this chubby girl and she gives the best BBBJ, BBBJTC, CIM, BLS and let have all fantasies. She is a keeper for sure. I been also suggesting threesome with one more freelancer but she don't feel comfortable. So far she has completed all of my fantasy. Finally after searching for so long. I have called her more than 5 times in a week.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3069050]There has definitely been a sustained sweep of the foreign girls working Soi 4 as I have observed for the past 6 days straight. This severely impacts all foreign varieties (Viet, African, Uzbek, Arab, etc) and to a lesser extent the Thai girls. At times there were even Soi 4 girls waiting out LE raids sitting at the ST hotel front balconies. However, as of the past couple nights I observed about 25 percent of normal volumes around 11:30 pm when I finished my TF hook-ups exiting from my regular Soi 4 short time hotel. My guess is that this is all fallout from the Thai PM getting involved in the Chinese weapons debacle which was discovered in Pattaya. Cleanups never last forever.

All misplaced LE energy against the wrong foreigners if you ask me. I would gladly donate a brown packet to the Lumpini police district if they would round up and summarily deport all of the African drug dealers and Pakistani snake oil scammers openly plying their trade along Sukhimvit. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]The reason they are showing a force against the Chinese in particular is because they are the greatest threat, these others pose nothing, to the govenment the Chinese has controlled half of the province of Thailand have absorbed some of the richest and most powerful figures in Thailand in investing indirectly into Triad related venture.

Last year remember the building during the earthquake? that is one of the problems that crack the camel back? LOL

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3070318]I do carry a US Passport Card in my wallet.[/QUOTE]I also carry my USA passport card as do some friends, though I don't have a good reason. It is only valid at USA/Canada and USA/Mexico borders.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3070397]The reason they are showing a force against the Chinese in particular is because they are the greatest threat, these others pose nothing, to the govenment the Chinese has controlled half of the province of Thailand have absorbed some of the richest and most powerful figures in Thailand in investing indirectly into Triad related venture.

Last year remember the building during the earthquake? that is one of the problems that crack the camel back? LOL[/QUOTE]I think the recent discovery of a massive cache of military-grade weapons held by a Chinese national in Pattaya was the trigger that pushed everything over the line. At that moment the government finally got a spine to put a stop to the 60-day visa free. Now the sustained crackdown on foreign prostitutes. If only they could somehow round up and deport the drug sellers? So hard to find. There was a gaggle of 5 of them standing directly across the street from Levels on Soi 11 on Saturday night. Let's see if the noose tightens or eventually goes back to square one. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3070423]I think the recent discovery of a massive cache of military-grade weapons held by a Chinese national in Pattaya was the trigger that pushed everything over the line. At that moment the government finally got a spine to put a stop to the 60-day visa free. Now the sustained crackdown on foreign prostitutes. If only they could somehow round up and deport the drug sellers? So hard to find. There was a gaggle of 5 of them standing directly across the street from Levels on Soi 11 on Saturday night. Let's see if the noose tightens or eventually goes back to square one. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]You have yours and I mines!

The so call Triads have been here a century if not more first known as the Golden Triangle. Some believe Chiang Mai was build by Chinese money? The originators of the group are Hakka Chinese from Southern China, mainly known for running drugs and guns they have been there so long many of the you get members don't even know if they are Chinese or not.

Way before COVID there was money mainly coming from Hong Kong /.

Mainland Chinese money was funnel into Bangkok to build all those Condo projects, in Bang Na outside of Bangkok south even further out than Udon Suk BTS, many of the construction designs. The leaders were living it reason all the special visa to the Chinese, you bring in buy 10 million got your visa.

After Covid, crackdown in Hong Kong and to China well off like guys like Jack Ma, who leaders were getting too rich and outspoken started to crackdown that is when the move started.

Even prior when you talk of gun fire the police here had no clue as to the extend the size and power of the triads 5 years back try to raid a home out on the Darkside to realize the fire power these groups possess. Like everything in Thailand when embarrassed sweep it under the rug.

I've lived out here for 20 years dardside isolated seen them coming for years not only the Chinese but triads from Taiwan, Myramar, Vietnam, these is a certain Chinese group that is after the entire SEA, that includes Thailand. Triads are normally low key it is about making money not fighting each other like mafia or Japanese rivals. But there are two groups today to gain control are more violent.

This guy sounded the alarm! Former MP, also know as massge king, outcry criticize his own government they selling out to the Chinese the massive investment in Thailand. What broke him rumor he went to his favorite restaurant where for years he had a special table one time he went owner told him no longer it was now belong to a very powerful Triad leader LOL.

Two years ago before your weapons story a triad leader had control of the entired Pattaya, Soi 9 police, Bunglamung police, City leaders, the Mayor he had purchase all the large venues behind Central Marina Big see, entertainment buildings he was running his entired operation, drugs, guns, brought in his own soldiers, even prostitutes fro Hong Kong / Mainland China, so he can entertain his own people, top that off he married a high ranking general daughter who was also highly rank in doing so got Thai Citizenship which is near impossible l. But if you saw her picture you wouldn't fuck her with your worse enemy dick LOL.

Well, he got so big he must have rubbed someone wrong days before the raid he got noticed escape middle of night like Thaksin and sister to escape raid and arrest. After like always a big photo op but as they dug realized how deep and high the investment went it started to disclose names from the highest of government and some of the richest Thai in the country thereafter it is shut down like everything else. But before it was found that out of 72 provinces in Thailand 40 of them have been control by the triads.

They are now realizing how large and powerful the triads are compare to their own so call mafia.

Then you got all the Visa Bangkok bank Immigration, for years I noticed my branch on Sukhumvit Darkside loaded with mainland Chinese while waiting for my cue I notice many were just tourist from HK or mainland opening bank accounts I listen can observe something wasn't right year later I'm there waiting truck load of police raided the bank it was found manager ls we're opening illegal accounts at 1000,00 baht a pop to tourist this is the reason why today one can't use Bangkok bank and crackdown on all the business and home buying by Thai nominees! They don't or won't say it is the Chinese instead point at the regular farangs.

You have not seen anything yet, once in a while you see this little Asian dude walking around sitting in GoGos all alone, times with a bunch of girls buying drinks, if he gesture to staff not to bother him tonight they don't, he gets waiting after waiting by door guards he don't use bodyguards those in the know not to mess with him and he keeps a very low profile.

They are here been here Thais know it the government does these raids just to sacrifice for a show that they are on top of it when the country is already too far gone.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3070443]You have yours and I mines!

They are here been here Thais know it the government does these raids just to sacrifice for a show that they are on top of it when the country is already too far gone.[/QUOTE]WOW. That does indeed connect a LOT of dots, especially how Bangkok Bank suddenly tightened up on creating new accounts. I was also slow to connect with the collapsed government building, which we don't hear about anymore. Also the rail line where pieces started falling off onto the road below. Who knows how many more Chinese tofu dreg projects are ready to collapse. It really did become too obvious to ignore. Thanks, AR.

Anyone have any recommendations for fun spots on SOI 11?

I've been to Hilary 3 and Hilary 11 in 2025. Had fun at both places. Lot's of freelancers and live bands. All in all good fun, but looking for a new scene. Didn't have fun at Bunny. I don't know what it was. It just didn't vibe with me. Check-In bar was a short but fun experience as well. I was "flirting" with the idea of entertaining an LB but didn't go through with it because I already had a female companion picked up from another bar with me. Those are really the only bars I've been to on SOI 11. My hotel (Eleven Hotel) for an upcoming trip is on this street so looking out for options close to my place. TIA.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3070318]Thanks [B] Horse Trader [/B] Those are some excellent trips. Thanks to you and [B] Shikhar [/B] I do carry a US Passport Card in my wallet. I actually look more Hispanic than Indian TBH. I will definitely tip mamasan but I am not sure how much relationship I will be able to develop since I am there only 10 days. You seem to be more local to Bangkok scene. So it's a bit different for you.[/QUOTE]Hi, as an FYI, unfortunately, certain gentlemen will receive extra screening as has been mentioned in other posts. If you look at this service, they strongly urge men from India / Pakistan to become VIP members, and even then some of the ladies might refuse a booking.

[URL]https://mythaitourguide.com/escorts/vip-program.php[/URL]

"Anyone from India, Pakistan, or neighboring countries.

Very sorry to have to mention this, but many escorts refuse to meet clients from India or neighboring countries because too many problems. We don't want to discriminate so we have resisted the temptation to ban clients from these countries, but it would make us feel more comfortable knowing you were a VIP, so we strongly encourage clients from these countries to join. We are more likely to agree to see you if you are a VIP and we will feel more comfortable also.

We keep very very good records so we are only talking about what the data shows. There are many problems, but the most common of which is cancellations as clients from these countries cancel more often than they end up meeting us so often times we will just say we put them on the calendar and we won't or if we do we won't mark the date as busy as we know chances are they'll cancel anyway. If you join the VIP program you can be sure we'll put you on the calendar and we marked that date as.

Clients from these countries please be aware that some girls might require you be a VIP and still limit the meeting to short-time so they can see how you get along with them before they'll agree to extending it to medium or long-time. A few girls might also still refuse to meet you so inquire before you join. Joining the VIP Program and talking to them to get to know them might make a big difference though."

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3070894]Hi, as an FYI, unfortunately, certain gentlemen will receive extra screening as has been mentioned in other posts. If you look at this service, they strongly urge men from India / Pakistan to become VIP members, and even then some of the ladies might refuse a booking.

[URL]https://mythaitourguide.com/escorts/vip-program.php[/URL]

"Anyone from India, Pakistan, or neighboring countries.

Very sorry to have to mention this, but many escorts refuse to meet clients from India or neighboring countries because too many problems. We don't want to discriminate so we have resisted the temptation to ban clients from these countries, but it would make us feel more comfortable knowing you were a VIP, so we strongly encourage clients from these countries to join. We are more likely to agree to see you if you are a VIP and we will feel more comfortable also.

We keep very very good records so we are only talking about what the data shows. There are many problems, but the most common of which is cancellations as clients from these countries cancel more often than they end up meeting us so often times we will just say we put them on the calendar and we won't or if we do we won't mark the date as busy as we know chances are they'll cancel anyway. If you join the VIP program you can be sure we'll put you on the calendar and we marked that date as.[/QUOTE]What you have raised here is a completely different issue, it's just this site / company scamming more money from people trying to get them to buy a "VIP" membership. You know what they say, fools and their money are easily parted".

[QUOTE=MikeL893;3070615]Anyone have any recommendations for fun spots on SOI 11?

I've been to Hilary 3 and Hilary 11 in 2025. Had fun at both places. Lot's of freelancers and live bands. All in all good fun, but looking for a new scene. Didn't have fun at Bunny. I don't know what it was. It just didn't vibe with me. Check-In bar was a short but fun experience as well. I was "flirting" with the idea of entertaining an LB but didn't go through with it because I already had a female companion picked up from another bar with me. Those are really the only bars I've been to on SOI 11. My hotel (Eleven Hotel) for an upcoming trip is on this street so looking out for options close to my place. TIA.[/QUOTE]Love it there though it's not a regular pick up / disco place. Probably not technically Soi 11 but close enough.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;3071021]Love it there though it's not a regular pick up / disco place. Probably not technically Soi 11 but close enough.[/QUOTE]I've been there! It's a little around the corner from SOI 11. Good vibes, drinks were expensive. Seemed like a place that locals or expats go to. Did get the vibe that there were working girls around tho.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3070925]What you have raised here is a completely different issue, it's just this site / company scamming more money from people trying to get them to buy a "VIP" membership. You know what they say, fools and their money are easily parted".[/QUOTE]Hi, thank you for your insights. I thought this was a reality of the market in Bangkok and was simply trying to point out something that I read. I have never been to Thailand and will withhold future comments on this topic. I was only trying to be helpful.

Are there any bars or areas in [B]Bangkok[/B] that have a good selection of Russian / East European girls? I was watching a content creator on YouTube who alluded to the fact that [B]Pattaya[/B] has better selection of Russian girls than Bangkok He said that there were several bars that were used as prime locations to freelance.

The statement definitely piqued my curiosity. I did a very perfunctory search on the forums to see if I could find any intel, and noticed that the question has been asked a few times but never properly answered.

Provided there are such establishments, what should I expect to pay per encounter?

Any advice?

[QUOTE=DeepThoughts7;3070894]Hi, as an FYI, unfortunately, certain gentlemen will receive extra screening as has been mentioned in other posts. If you look at this service, they strongly urge men from India / Pakistan to become VIP members, and even then some of the ladies might refuse a booking.

[URL]https://mythaitourguide.com/escorts/vip-program.php[/URL]

"Anyone from India, Pakistan, or neighboring countries.

Very sorry to have to mention this, but many escorts refuse to meet clients from India or neighboring countries because too many problems. We don't want to discriminate so we have resisted the temptation to ban clients from these countries, but it would make us feel more comfortable knowing you were a VIP, so we strongly encourage clients from these countries to join. We are more likely to agree to see you if you are a VIP and we will feel more comfortable also.

We keep very very good records so we are only talking about what the data shows. There are many problems, but the most common of which is cancellations as clients from these countries cancel more often than they end up meeting us so often times we will just say we put them on the calendar and we won't or if we do we won't mark the date as busy as we know chances are they'll cancel anyway. If you join the VIP program you can be sure we'll put you on the calendar and we marked that date as.

Clients from these countries please be aware that some girls might require you be a VIP and still limit the meeting to short-time so they can see how you get along with them before they'll agree to extending it to medium or long-time. A few girls might also still refuse to meet you so inquire before you join. Joining the VIP Program and talking to them to get to know them might make a big difference though."[/QUOTE]I have never seen a site with so many older women. Anyone have thoughts on this?

[QUOTE=EnigmaSensei;3070386]I finally met this chubby girl and she gives the best BBBJ, BBBJTC, CIM, BLS and let have all fantasies. She is a keeper for sure. I been also suggesting threesome with one more freelancer but she don't feel comfortable. So far she has completed all of my fantasy. Finally after searching for so long. I have called her more than 5 times in a week.[/QUOTE]Sorry just curious.

Ball Licking and Sucking.

[QUOTE=TConor;3071147]Sorry just curious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3071138]Are there any bars or areas in [B]Bangkok[/B] that have a good selection of Russian / East European girls? I was watching a content creator on YouTube who alluded to the fact that [B]Pattaya[/B] has better selection of Russian girls than Bangkok He said that there were several bars that were used as prime locations to freelance.

The statement definitely piqued my curiosity. I did a very perfunctory search on the forums to see if I could find any intel, and noticed that the question has been asked a few times but never properly answered.

Provided there are such establishments, what should I expect to pay per encounter?

Any advice?[/QUOTE]Before covid it was mixx, asking 10 k.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3071212]Before covid it was mixx, asking 10 k.[/QUOTE]You will find (some of) them on massage republic with the according price tag and there just to be a hotel near Thermae where they congregated.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3071268]You will find (some of) them on massage republic with the according price tag and there just to be a hotel near Thermae where they congregated.[/QUOTE]Never any hotel near thermae. The grace hotel years ago.

Just arrived in Bangkok from Hanoi (a bad mongering spot, by the way). I'd been in the mood to get my ass eaten, so I shaved, got myself thoroughly clean, read some reviews, and headed to Stellas.

I showered and checked out their menu (available on their website). I messaged the manager on WhatsApp beforehand, requesting their best girls for rimming. I specifically wanted my ass eaten while getting a blowjob. The two-girl Nuru package was 5,400 Baht. They also tried to upsell me on the room (200 Baht for VIP, 500 Baht for the best one). It wasn't really worth it, but since I'm tall, I went with the 500 Baht option.

In the room, the girls washed me on a stool, then moved me onto an inflatable bed for the Nuru. It was okay. One girl put a condom on to suck me off (bummer). There was no way I was going to cum from a CBJ, so they washed me again and put me on the bed. I'm pretty shy, but after two flops in Hanoi I just came out and asked for rimming. It was terrible and unenthusiastic. One girl sucked my nipples and gave a mediocre blowjob while the other just kind of licked around my ass half-heartedly. Eventually I gave up, put a condom on, and finished in missionary.

Overall, it was meh. Won't repeat. Still on the hunt for good rimming in BKK!! If anyone has solid recommendations, please let me know.

TL; DR: Went looking for a rimjob at Stellas Nuru. Left disappointed.

[QUOTE=Moto999;3071352]Just arrived in Bangkok from Hanoi (a bad mongering spot, by the way). I'd been in the mood to get my ass eaten, so I shaved, got myself thoroughly clean, read some reviews, and headed to Stellas.

I showered and checked out their menu (available on their website). I messaged the manager on WhatsApp beforehand, requesting their best girls for rimming. I specifically wanted my ass eaten while getting a blowjob. The two-girl Nuru package was 5,400 Baht. They also tried to upsell me on the room (200 Baht for VIP, 500 Baht for the best one). It wasn't really worth it, but since I'm tall, I went with the 500 Baht option.

In the room, the girls washed me on a stool, then moved me onto an inflatable bed for the Nuru. It was okay. One girl put a condom on to suck me off (bummer). There was no way I was going to cum from a CBJ, so they washed me again and put me on the bed. I'm pretty shy, but after two flops in Hanoi I just came out and asked for rimming. It was terrible and unenthusiastic. One girl sucked my nipples and gave a mediocre blowjob while the other just kind of licked around my ass half-heartedly. Eventually I gave up, put a condom on, and finished in missionary.

Overall, it was meh. Won't repeat. Still on the hunt for good rimming in BKK!! If anyone has solid recommendations, please let me know.

TL; DR: Went looking for a rimjob at Stellas Nuru. Left disappointed.[/QUOTE]I've had some good rimming experiences from girls on TF.

[QUOTE=Moto999;3071352]Just arrived in Bangkok from Hanoi (a bad mongering spot, by the way). I'd been in the mood to get my ass eaten, so I shaved, got myself thoroughly clean, read some reviews, and headed to Stellas.

I showered and checked out their menu (available on their website). I messaged the manager on WhatsApp beforehand, requesting their best girls for rimming. I specifically wanted my ass eaten while getting a blowjob. The two-girl Nuru package was 5,400 Baht. They also tried to upsell me on the room (200 Baht for VIP, 500 Baht for the best one). It wasn't really worth it, but since I'm tall, I went with the 500 Baht option.

In the room, the girls washed me on a stool, then moved me onto an inflatable bed for the Nuru. It was okay. One girl put a condom on to suck me off (bummer). There was no way I was going to cum from a CBJ, so they washed me again and put me on the bed. I'm pretty shy, but after two flops in Hanoi I just came out and asked for rimming. It was terrible and unenthusiastic. One girl sucked my nipples and gave a mediocre blowjob while the other just kind of licked around my ass half-heartedly. Eventually I gave up, put a condom on, and finished in missionary..[/QUOTE]Just about any girl workin in the AMP's here in NYC will rim you as much as you want. But I did read on Pattaya thread that in BJ bars there its fairly standard to get rimmed.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3071212]Before covid it was mixx, asking 10 k.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3071268]You will find (some of) them on massage republic with the according price tag and there just to be a hotel near Thermae where they congregated.[/QUOTE]Thanks to both of you [B]Nyezhov[/B] and [B]FernandoAlonso[/B]. I looked up on Massage Republic and there are quite a few foreign girls advertising on that site for 10,000 THB. That's like around $300. For like $400-$450 I can get European / Russians girls working for US agency. Stuff that I have done all my mongering life. So I will pass. At that price point, it's just worth it for me.

[QUOTE=Moto999;3071352]Still on the hunt for good rimming in BKK!! If anyone has solid recommendations, please let me know.[/QUOTE]I always had enjoyable experiences from the girls in Tulip, Snow, Mango and Addict. Maybe I was just lucky with my choices, but I always find it helpful if you make your preferences known before arrival in the room.

Well this is what I get for not RTFFing. A few nights ago I blundered into Spice Girls, one of the places reportedly owned by The Arab. Sure enough, I got a generously padded bill after just 3 lady drinks and one drink of my own. I managed to get it negotiated down to within a few hundred of what it should have been, even with the bouncer glaring at me. Everyone stay clear of these places and let's spread the word as much as we can. I wonder if it does any good to go to the tourist police about this?

[QUOTE=Mahku;3071769]Well this is what I get for not RTFFing. A few nights ago I blundered into Spice Girls, one of the places reportedly owned by The Arab. Sure enough, I got a generously padded bill after just 3 lady drinks and one drink of my own. I managed to get it negotiated down to within a few hundred of what it should have been, even with the bouncer glaring at me. Everyone stay clear of these places and let's spread the word as much as we can. I wonder if it does any good to go to the tourist police about this?[/QUOTE]Props to you for sharing your experience. We could use an updated list of bars owned by the Arab. I know he owns Spice Girls, Rio, Deja Vu, Midnite, and Venus. Does anybody know if he owns Cowboy2? I've been tempted to go in there. If anybody can add to the list of bars he owns it would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;3071664]I always had enjoyable experiences from the girls in Tulip, Snow, Mango and Addict. Maybe I was just lucky with my choices, but I always find it helpful if you make your preferences known before arrival in the room.[/QUOTE]Just ask at the desk first.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;3071664]I always had enjoyable experiences from the girls in Tulip, Snow, Mango and Addict. Maybe I was just lucky with my choices, but I always find it helpful if you make your preferences known before arrival in the room.[/QUOTE]Addict massage has chicks that'll do rimming? Oh holy hell, I got to try every chick in there now till I get that tongue poking goodness. I can't even remember if I've ever been to Mango, but I'll be sure to next time.

[QUOTE=Allover;3071789]Props to you for sharing your experience. We could use an updated list of bars owned by the Arab. I know he owns Spice Girls, Rio, Deja Vu, Midnite, and Venus. Does anybody know if he owns Cowboy2? I've been tempted to go in there. If anybody can add to the list of bars he owns it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Real easy. Unless you know what you are doing, avoid soi cowboy.

Is this really going to be enforced in the RL areas? Doesn't impact me unless the places are closing for the night. Just wondering if anyone has any insight on places that circumvent this ordinance.

[B]Nana Plaza[/B] is off the mother fucking chain. The place is insane! The male female ratio is like 8 to 1 just eyeballing it. Those girls were smoking hot! They are on an entirely different level from Pattaya. To say I had a good time there would be understating it!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3071998]Real easy. Unless you know what you are doing, avoid soi cowboy.[/QUOTE]Agree most should avoid Soi Cowboy but I like Shark and Crazy House. I usually visit Crazy House for the nekkid girls and then go to Nana to select / barfine. I occasionally bar fine from Crazy House.

Being back in BKK, I can't make my mind up the difference between now and January. Airport was more crowded this time, the queues to get through passport control were insane! Traffic from airport was gridlock.

BTS has been as crowded as ever as have been the shops. All MP shops I've gone to so far have all had other customers in reception when I've gone in.

Plenty of FL's on the street around the thermae strip despite the weather.

I'd say yes probably a lot of the girlie bars seem quieter as I walk around. Hard to judge what with the weekend that was in it with elections, Sundays are usually quieter too.

[QUOTE=Allover;3072223]Agree most should avoid Soi Cowboy but I like Shark and Crazy House. I usually visit Crazy House for the nekkid girls and then go to Nana to select / barfine. I occasionally bar fine from Crazy House.[/QUOTE]You just summarized where a tyro can go. All the rest, forget it.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3072168][B]Nana Plaza[/B] is off the mother fucking chain. The place is insane! The male female ratio is like 8 to 1 just eyeballing it. Those girls were smoking hot! They are on an entirely different level from Pattaya. To say I had a good time there would be understating it![/QUOTE]The Plaza chicks are definitely in the Premiere League compared to the offerings in Pats. And the Isan girls know that. I've had a couple tell me that they were headed to Pattaya because they couldn't compete with the chicks already in BKK. Maybe why some punters head there too. Can't compete with the "high rollers" in BKK. Pats is Second City TV.

That said, a lot (most?) BKK chicks think their pussies are gold. It's just packaging.

Sam.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3072297]Being back in BKK, I can't make my mind up the difference between now and January. Airport was more crowded this time, the queues to get through passport control were insane! Traffic from airport was gridlock.

BTS has been as crowded as ever as have been the shops. All MP shops I've gone to so far have all had other customers in reception when I've gone in.

Plenty of FL's on the street around the thermae strip despite the weather.

I'd say yes probably a lot of the girlie bars seem quieter as I walk around. Hard to judge what with the weekend that was in it with elections, Sundays are usually quieter too.[/QUOTE]I would say the weather makes all the difference. BKK is jam packed year round. There is no avoiding the crowds. Hotel rates may vary between the seasons but early bookings could be a workaround for that. The real difference is weather which is dramatic. You could be dealing with unbearable heat and humidity 24/7, tropical downpours, or pleasant sunny days. All depending on which month you choose the visit. All things being equal (which I think they are) weather is the deciding factor.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3072329]The Plaza chicks are definitely in the Premiere League compared to the offerings in Pats. And the Isan girls know that. I've had a couple tell me that they were headed to Pattaya because they couldn't compete with the chicks already in BKK. Maybe why some punters head there too. Can't compete with the "high rollers" in BKK.[/QUOTE]Not really. You'll find more chicks and more better looking ones in Pattaya Agogos than in the Bkk ones.

The problem is the pricing, it's much more expensive in Pattaya than in Bkk.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;3072353]I would say the weather makes all the difference. BKK is jam packed year round. There is no avoiding the crowds. Hotel rates may vary between the seasons but early bookings could be a workaround for that. The real difference is weather which is dramatic. You could be dealing with unbearable heat and humidity 24/7, tropical downpours, or pleasant sunny days. All depending on which month you choose the visit. All things being equal (which I think they are) weather is the deciding factor.[/QUOTE]I presume you mean the rain because when is it ever cooler in BKK!, I've visited in 6 different months of the year at this point and it's been as blooming hot each time as the last.

To be honest I like the rainy season, sure the rain is even warm!

Now the weekend is over, I have noticed the restaurants are quieter in the tourist zone, I was the only person tonight at 8 pm!

There is simply no place like it!

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3072329][u]The Plaza chicks are definitely in the Premiere League compared to the offerings in Pats[/u].[/QUOTE]I have to say I agree with you. The girls I see standing outside of the Top Tier Agogos on Walking Street in Pattaya could not carry the water of the girls I saw all over [B]Nana Plaza[/B].

Found myself up in Rainbow. I was quoted: 5000* Short Time; 8000 Long Time; 1000 Bar Fine with a hotel available across the street.

*All prices in THB.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3072423]There is simply no place like it!

I have to say I agree with you. The girls I see standing outside of the Top Tier Agogos on Walking Street in Pattaya could not carry the water of the girls I saw all over [B]Nana Plaza[/B].

Found myself up in Rainbow. I was quoted: 5000* Short Time; 8000 Long Time; 1000 Bar Fine with a hotel available across the street..[/QUOTE]Damn this is chicken feed compared to the $640 lay out in NYC for 2 hours.

If anyone is looking for a recommendation for a proper girl on girl 3 some, then check out 'Queen of Kinky play' on Massage Rep.

Two Filipino chicks, both hot, up for anything and excellent English too (had a good long chat post action about life in general, business etc).

Bit expensive, started at 10 k but got them for 8,000 total in the end, they said they'd discount if repeat, they have plenty of regulars apparently.

They look much better than their photos by the way. The main girl has big natural tits to die but the other girl is a pocket rocket, endless energy.

You can ask for what you want, I watched them at it first then joined in, lot of DFK, DATY, 69, sex toys dildo's, strap on's, Anal, owo, BBBJ, face sitting, FS, double head, you name it basically.

All done very enthusiastically by them both.

They have a couple of profiles I noticed, so they can do BDSM, Dom, Slave and all that, if that rocks your boat.

Bit expensive, but I'd repeat.

** I did incall in the end as they weren't comfortable coming to my condo in the end (as I was first timer with them) , but they do outcalls to to hotels. I felt perfectly save in the area they were in even at 3 am. Only a 10 minute taxi ride at that time from Nana, small but comfortable room in a small short-let apartment block.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3071942]Addict massage has chicks that'll do rimming? Oh holy hell, I got to try every chick in there now till I get that tongue poking goodness. I can't even remember if I've ever been to Mango, but I'll be sure to next time.[/QUOTE]If you like this you should change to an LB massage place. All the bisexual guys I know say this is the best option for the people who like it and it's a safe place for you to move to the next level.

[QUOTE=Pokler;3072493]Damn this is chicken feed compared to the $640 lay out in NYC for 2 hours.[/QUOTE][B]Minimum wage[/B] in Pattaya, Thailand is 400 THB a day for 8 hours work.

Hi,

If you are into Edging and teasing, I'd highly recommend Emily, google 'tantra wellness Bangkok' as all one word. 2,500 baht for 1 hour, does incalls and outcalls. She is no stunner, early 40's but fine and very nice polished lady.

Note it's not FS or BJ, it's all about lying back, closing your eyes and let her do her thing! She's very good at teasing, slow, sensual, edging. Also I normally don't like prostrate massage, usually found it sore and uncomfortable but whatever she did, it was grand and it did heighten the end result!

Left very chilled and happy and I would repeat.

I will be in Bangkok for the first time on an extended layout for two days (June 8th evening to June 10th). Have booked my stay at the Bangkok Marriott and would love to get an escort service arranged that can send over a girl for the duration of my stay. Due to certain work commitments I would have limited time to step out and was thinking this could be a viable option. Would love to hear through from the group and if there are any recommended high service that I can use.

[QUOTE=JockOnRow;3072639]I will be in Bangkok for the first time on an extended layout for two days (June 8th evening to June 10th). Have booked my stay at the Bangkok Marriott and would love to get an escort service arranged that can send over a girl for the duration of my stay. Due to certain work commitments I would have limited time to step out and was thinking this could be a viable option. Would love to hear through from the group and if there are any recommended high service that I can use.[/QUOTE]Loads of them mate, but if it's your first time, then avoid the app's like Thai Friendly, massage rep & Fiwans. Go for an established business that has boots (business in bricks and mortar) on the ground. Google the massage shops when you are here, the majority of them do outcalls too.

[QUOTE=JockOnRow;3072639]I will be in Bangkok for the first time on an extended layout for two days (June 8th evening to June 10th). Have booked my stay at the Bangkok Marriott and would love to get an escort service arranged that can send over a girl for the duration of my stay. Due to certain work commitments I would have limited time to step out and was thinking this could be a viable option. Would love to hear through from the group and if there are any recommended high service that I can use.[/QUOTE]I hope you mean July and not June. I would say your centrally located go out and experience the culture and see what you could hunt up.

Hi,

I tried Apirom which is a new massage shop off Soi 10, about 1.5 months old. It's different, it's selling itself as an 'experience' rather than standard massage and that is true.

Firstly the price, they only have one offering, 2 hours and their website says 12,800, which put me off at first. However I contacted them by LINE to have a look at the girls. Wait and the day after they'll start sending you offers, so basically I was offered 6,800 almost half price. Also they try and pretend it's real full and that you have to book a week in advance. However they seem to have slots every day available and I had to change my time at short notice and they were able to accommodate me.

So it's still expensive, but it's not the place you'd go to often, overall I loved it and would highly recommend it. Again it's slow and sensual rather than wham bam thank you madem.

You are met at the door with a drink and cool towel. Then you go in for a foot bath and salt rub. The girls are stunners and well groomed. At this point they wear a Siamese traditional dress, but lots of flesh showing, very sexy.

Next you are brought to your private room, very large with shower, large round bath (like onsen almost) and couch with lots of cushions. She'll undress you and shower you, you still on a stool for this and she pours spoons of water over you bit by bit. At this point she is wearing a sarong and white g-string. She'll tease junior and wash him well too.

Next to the hot bath, where again you get a all over massage.

It gets interesting from now on, she sits you down on the couch facing the shower and says she'll be back in a few minutes. She goes to shower, does a slow strip and showers herself real provocatively and seductively, pretending you aren't there but knowing full well you are staring at her as she purposely put you sitting in full view. She'll then eye you and pretend to go shy and modest.

She then sits you back on the couch, gives you a slow sensual cock and ball massage, a lot of eye contact, lots of different oils from hot to cold, it's edging as she'll get up for a minute or so to get more oils, you let you suffer and relax your throbbing boner.

At this stage I wasn't sure what to expect for the FS, would it be tame, but the little minx didn't disappoint, she really went for it, BBBJ, FS, cowboy, cowgirl, miss, doggie. She'd do I think close to anything, whatever rocks your boat.

After shooting, she then took my cock back into her mouth and licked me clean for a while, nice touch.

Afterwards, massage, shower, drink and chat.

Her name was Dalah.

Highly recommend if you are looking for a different experience.

They also gave me a disposable rain coat on he way out, which was a nice touch considering it was lashing.

Not the type of place you'd probably repeat in however, As the "Show" is scripted and timed and well tuned. I don't you could get them to go off script so to speak.

Taking the advice of SubCmdr I made Crazy House my first stop last night. I watched the girls dance on stage (well sort of dance LOL). Some were more into it than others. A tight spinner caught my eye as she was actually putting effort into dancing. She was tight and petite but did have an excellent all natural mid be cup that was perfect. She sat down and was immediately very handsy. We shared a drink and I decided to take her back with me. I paid the bar fee (4400 baht) then we went back to my place. She continued to be quite handsy and playful / flirty on the way back. When we got back she started off by giving me a little striptease and lap dance before we got to business. She started with an average BBBJ then we got down the main event. She started off on top riding me for a good 5-7 minutes before she pulled me on top and told me to fuck her. I gave it to her good from missionary then bent her over and finished in a hard doggy. Spanking and pulling hair which she really enjoyed. After we finished we cuddled up for about 20 minutes before she took off. Overall an excellent start to the trip!

Hello,

Has anyone tried the Mai & Song's milking table ([URL]https://www.bangkokmilkingtable.com[/URL]). It looks tempting as they offer edging, riming, testicle massages and all of this is 4 hands.

If anyone else is hitting up Nana tonight feel free to PM me.

[QUOTE=Stl24;3072922]Taking the advice of SubCmdr I made Crazy House my first stop last night. I watched the girls dance on stage (well sort of dance LOL). Some were more into it than others. A tight spinner caught my eye as she was actually putting effort into dancing. She was tight and petite but did have an excellent all natural mid be cup that was perfect. She sat down and was immediately very handsy. We shared a drink and I decided to take her back with me. I paid the bar fee (4400 baht) then we went back to my place. She continued to be quite handsy and playful / flirty on the way back. When we got back she started off by giving me a little striptease and lap dance before we got to business. She started with an average BBBJ then we got down the main event. She started off on top riding me for a good 5-7 minutes before she pulled me on top and told me to fuck her. I gave it to her good from missionary then bent her over and finished in a hard doggy. Spanking and pulling hair which she really enjoyed. After we finished we cuddled up for about 20 minutes before she took off. Overall an excellent start to the trip![/QUOTE]4400 bar fine? How much for her? Or was it combined?

[QUOTE=Abaru009;3072944]Hello,

Has anyone tried the Mai & Song's milking table ([URL]https://www.bangkokmilkingtable.com[/URL]). It looks tempting as they offer edging, riming, testicle massages and all of this is 4 hands.[/QUOTE]I thought it was OK, not great. The sex was mechanical and routine, like they had a script and were sticking to it.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3072989]4400 bar fine? How much for her? Or was it combined?[/QUOTE]That was combined. I got her a cab when we she left but I paid the mamasan 4400 and that was it.

[QUOTE=Abaru009;3072944]Hello,

Has anyone tried the Mai & Song's milking table ([URL]https://www.bangkokmilkingtable.com[/URL]). It looks tempting as they offer edging, riming, testicle massages and all of this is 4 hands.[/QUOTE]I was going to try it but decided to give it a miss after basically seeing nothing but poor reviews not only on this site but from other 'men's' sites, do a bit of googling.

All say basically the same negative things and they can send you different girls to those advertised and also it's down to whatever mood they are in. Sometimes they fight with each other evenly according to some reports LOL.

There was a common theme is the reviews from numerous different people and we all know most reviews are the opposite (overly hyped, good and clearly fake).

You can do better out there, that is the opinion I took.

[QUOTE=Stl24;3073052]That was combined. I got her a cab when we she left but I paid the mamasan 4400 and that was it.[/QUOTE]I hate when the try to make you pay in advance.

A poster said that he paid a mamasan 4400 baht to take a dancer from Crazy House. Paid in advance. Is this a way of biz only for that bar? Or is it also practiced in other bars? I'd never heard of such a thing before and I certainly would NEVER consent to that arrangement. Never!

Sure, I've had mamasan's present me with a "menu" stating a price for barfine and a lady. The barfines were in line with the going rate among the top tier joints. However, the fee for the dancer was always at least 25% to 50% higher than the norm. I'dj ust laugh and wave them off; ignore such nonsense. I'd go ahead and pay the barfine and give the dancer the "going rate". I was never turned down by a dancer for a repeat session a few days later.

A couple of reasons I would never pay in advance: 1.) The mamasan is probably taking a good piece of the down payment. (Taking what the provider should get.) 2.) Dancers have barfine quotas they must meet to get their full salary. I suspect that after the barfine is paid and as soon as they get to a hotel, some do a "runner"; return to the bar to get another sucker. No recourse available. A punter can always go back to the bar and complain, but I think most of us have an idea how that will be handled.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3073116]I hate when the try to make you pay in advance.[/QUOTE]One way of avoiding that inconvenience is to negotiate a different price with the girl.

In most of the big bars, the ST or LT rate is set in advance by the girls and the mamas, and the girls are not "allowed" to be barfined for lower rates. So if you can manage to negotiate her rate down in private, she will most likely accept to be paid directly in the room instead of paying the whole fee in the bar, because she wouldn't want other people to see what she agreed to.

That's going to happen only if the girl trust the customer anyway, because these practice of asking the whole payment upfront are a way for them to be sure that the girl will be paid for her service. Too many cheapskates trying to pull a fast one on the girls have made them much more cautious these days.

I would like to hear from people who have actually been to [U]Nana Plaza[/U] and bar fined a girl. What did you actually pay? 1. Bar Fine; 2. Girl Fee; 3. Room (if rented separately).

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3073346]One way of avoiding that inconvenience is to negotiate a different price with the girl.

In most of the big bars, the ST or LT rate is set in advance by the girls and the mamas, and the girls are not "allowed" to be barfined for lower rates. So if you can manage to negotiate her rate down in private, she will most likely accept to be paid directly in the room instead of paying the whole fee in the bar, because she wouldn't want other people to see what she agreed to.

That's going to happen only if the girl trust the customer anyway, because these practice of asking the whole payment upfront are a way for them to be sure that the girl will be paid for her service. Too many cheapskates trying to pull a fast one on the girls have made them much more cautious these days.[/QUOTE]They tried that in billboard on me once. The girl put them straight. Never had it in other places.

I don't do it, except the bar fine. In nearly all cases the girl decides to come with me anyway because it's too much to pass up, but I'm not a tourist and the bars know me.

I have spent the past 2 nights at Nana. Barfines quoted in most places was *B1000 and the girls seemed to want *B4000 or *B5000 for short time. On two separate occasions the girl cut her price to *B3000 without me negotiating. This occurred midweek when the bars were slow. One of the girls was a Twisters beauty and I accepted her offer. Even though I got the discount her service at my hotel was first rate. This proves to me once again that paying more doesn't guarantee better service. I got my money's worth and then some. But then again, I am a handsome man. That's what she told me.

I thought Twisters, Billboard, Butterflies, Red Dragon had the best lineup (in no particular order) midweek this visit.

All prices quoted in Thai baht.

[QUOTE=RhinoTusk;3073468]I don't do it, except the bar fine. In nearly all cases the girl decides to come with me anyway because it's too much to pass up, but I'm not a tourist and the bars know me.[/QUOTE]I've been gone for 6 months this time, but usually the waitresses in billboard, etc remember me when I come back.

Expensive doesn't always mean better.

[QUOTE=Allover;3073481]I have spent the past 2 nights at Nana. Barfines quoted in most places was *B1000 and the girls seemed to want *B4000 or *B5000 for short time. On two separate occasions the girl cut her price to *B3000 without me negotiating. This occurred midweek when the bars were slow. One of the girls was a Twisters beauty and I accepted her offer. Even though I got the discount her service at my hotel was first rate. This proves to me once again that paying more doesn't guarantee better service. I got my money's worth and then some. But then again, I am a handsome man. That's what she told me.

I thought Twisters, Billboard, Butterflies, Red Dragon had the best lineup (in no particular order) midweek this visit.

All prices quoted in Thai baht.[/QUOTE]

Just a FYI for anyone wanting apcalis in Bangkok (I've read people have had issues with some pharmacies). Just got some at LB Pharmacy on Sukhumvit road, between Soi 7 and Soi 7/1. It's next door to a 7/11.

300 for pack of 4.

[QUOTE=Allover;3073481]I have spent the past 2 nights at Nana. Barfines quoted in most places was *B1000 and the girls seemed to want *B4000 or *B5000 for short time. On two separate occasions the girl cut her price to *B3000 without me negotiating. This occurred midweek when the bars were slow. One of the girls was a Twisters beauty and I accepted her offer. Even though I got the discount her service at my hotel was first rate. This proves to me once again that paying more doesn't guarantee better service. I got my money's worth and then some. But then again, I am a handsome man. That's what she told me.

I thought Twisters, Billboard, Butterflies, Red Dragon had the best lineup (in no particular order) midweek this visit.

All prices quoted in Thai baht.[/QUOTE]For me, "first rate service" would be that the girl and I engage in lots of DFK, she would give me a very wet BBBJ including plenty of ball licking and kissing, moving on to mild DATY to get her natural lubrication flowing and then BBFSCIP, all without hesitation or discussion, perhaps after the BBFSCIP part was settled in the bar and with no rushing or clock watching in the room.

So in the case of your Twisters beauty should I also expect to get my version of first rate service for the same 3000 baht reduction from 5000 baht without me negotiating? Or might I have to pay more to get better service and my money's worth by my reasoning?

Mind you, all the ladies tell me I'm a handsome man, too.

Hello All. I am travelling to Bangkok in September and planning to stay near nana plaza. I am looking for some hot spots where I can find Japanese and Korean providers. Please provide me any info. Thanks again!

Man, I'm researching to visit Thailand in August but paying the equivalent of around 150 for girls seems crazy to me.

That's more than Medellin where you're paying the equivalent of 30-50 usd for the most beautiful women you'd ever seen. And 100-150 for women who would be in music videos. All from women who treat sex like an Olympic sport.

I might stick mostly to BJ bars.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3073350]I would like to hear from people who have actually been to [U]Nana Plaza[/U] and bar fined a girl. What did you actually pay? 1. Bar Fine; 2. Girl Fee; 3. Room (if rented separately).[/QUOTE]I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services.

- 150-200 baht for tuk tuk or taxi to my hotel.

- 100-200 baht for reception at my hotel. This is the person who knows to warn me if I have a ladyboy or underage girl (hasn't happened yet). They also call my room before returning the girl's ID. For my own safety, I want reception to be happy.

- 3000-4000 for girl in room. Generally, negotiate 3000 in the bar, but sometimes she wants 4000 for the CIP (girls who refuse CIP don't get this far with me). If performance in room is outstanding, I give 4000 because I want her again. Starting about the 3rd bar fine with the same girl, she has proven herself and she will likely get 4000 from me.

- 100 baht for the girl's motorcycle taxi back to the bar.

So, total expense ranges from about 6,000 to 7,500. I never buy a lot of drinks for myself or the girls. In-bar tips are limited to mamasan and my waitress. On nights that I don't bar fine anyone, I always give my mamasan 100 to 200 baht tip. Occasionally I see girls that I want to bar fine in the future, I'll give them tips ranging from 40 to 100 baht. In other go go bars I do things a bit differently, but I always tip mamasan because I want to build her "friendship". Mamasan is the true valued resource, she will be around in the future; the bar girls change about as often as I change my socks. It takes a long time to build relationship with mamasan.

I like to be in and out of the go go bar in 60-90 minutes. I like the girl in and out of my room in about 90 minutes. I'm too old for multiple pops per day, I'll get a different girl in 21 hours.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3073547]For me, "first rate service" would be that the girl and I engage in lots of DFK, she would give me a very wet BBBJ including plenty of ball licking and kissing, moving on to mild DATY to get her natural lubrication flowing and then BBFSCIP, all without hesitation or discussion, perhaps after the BBFSCIP part was settled in the bar and with no rushing or clock watching in the room.

So in the case of your Twisters beauty should I also expect to get my version of first rate service for the same 3000 baht reduction from 5000 baht without me negotiating? Or might I have to pay more to get better service and my money's worth by my reasoning?

Mind you, all the ladies tell me I'm a handsome man, too.[/QUOTE]You correctly point out that First Rate service varies with each of us. My girl would not have met your standards. And the girls tell all of us that we are handsome.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3073626]I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services.

- 150-200 baht for tuk tuk or taxi to my hotel.

- 100-200 baht for reception at my hotel. This is the person who knows to warn me if I have a ladyboy or underage girl (hasn't happened yet). They also call my room before returning the girl's ID. For my own safety, I want reception to be happy.

- 3000-4000 for girl in room. Generally, negotiate 3000 in the bar, but sometimes she wants 4000 for the CIP (girls who refuse CIP don't get this far with me). If performance in room is outstanding, I give 4000 because I want her again. Starting about the 3rd bar fine with the same girl, she has proven herself and she will likely get 4000 from me.

- 100 baht for the girl's motorcycle taxi back to the bar.

So, total expense ranges from about 6,000 to 7,500. I never buy a lot of drinks for myself or the girls. In-bar tips are limited to mamasan and my waitress. On nights that I don't bar fine anyone, I always give my mamasan 100 to 200 baht tip. Occasionally I see girls that I want to bar fine in the future, I'll give them tips ranging from 40 to 100 baht. In other go go bars I do things a bit differently, but I always tip mamasan because I want to build her "friendship". Mamasan is the true valued resource, she will be around in the future; the bar girls change about as often as I change my socks. It takes a long time to build relationship with mamasan.

I like to be in and out of the go go bar in 60-90 minutes. I like the girl in and out of my room in about 90 minutes. I'm too old for multiple pops per day, I'll get a different girl in 21 hours.[/QUOTE]I like you would want to get a girl and leave ASAP since at 71 I'm not big on partying with loud music. But unlike you I like to do 2-3 pops but only if the girl turns out to ring all my bells. So for the extra pops should I just offering her more BHT in the room after round one? I'm trying to tie this question into the bar fine. Is the BF I paid good to have the girl just for 90 minutes or a few hours or can she stay longer if she is good with the extra BHT I offer?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3073626]I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services..[/QUOTE]Much has been written on these forums about ignoring mamasans, that we should get them out of the deal, that they only interfere and so on. And I am sure the stories I read and hear about some of us handsome men getting Real Sex / BBFSCIP with the hottest lookers in the gogo bars without discussion or extra money in the room are all true.

I would also agree with many here who wave off mamasans as unnecessary and useless interlopers who add little or nothing of value to the gogo bar P4P transaction if all the customer wants is basic Thai P4 P fare of Covered FS. And especially if he isn't all that particular about which lady in the bar he gets fully Covered FS with as long as she has a fun personality and agrees to an amount of baht the customer deems fair. Basic Thai P4 P fare of Covered FS with average or below average lookers has to be the easiest accomplishment for virtually any punter on the planet even if they just arrived in the country that afternoon. And its only marginally less easy if the lady is an above average looker. There is absolutely no need for a mamasan to get involved with such a transaction and her presence is only an annoying distraction.

However, for those of us who prefer a Thai mongering experience of a more reliable routine of getting a True GFE, what I call Real Sex or actual BBFSCIP, with above average looking Thai girls, in my humble opinion the only real regular challenge in the entire Thai P4P scene, one would do well to follow Horse Trader's description for how and why to get a mamasan in a gogo bar on your side in the effort.

I have had "friendly relationships" with a couple of gogo bar mamasans in that way over the years as well. And I can attest from my personal experience that a word of assurance to the girls from the mamasan that this particular handsome man is a good customer and that they ought to treat him well miraculously melts away any confusion in the minds of the above average to downright hottest girls in the bar what the difference is between Real Sex and the least they can get away with in the room and still get the money, suddenly understanding the value of sweet DFK and even sweeter BBBJ vs the head turn and staring at a dick like they have no idea what to do to wake it up, etc that beats the hell out of cruising from bar to bar buying drinks willy nilly and hoping to strike gold some lucky night with only my money, my handsome looks and my winning charm to make it happen.

Dare I say in order to actually get more and better service in that regard by spending a bit more and on the right people along the way.

That's not to say you walk into any gogo bar and start throwing money at the mamasan. Then again, I can't say from experience that wouldn't work out well for my purposes too. LOL. I've never done it that way. I do at least vet the mamasan first by having her sit with me, perhaps buy her a drink, introduce myself and tell her what I want with some among her girls who are up for it with me, specifically the BBFSCIP part. If she recoils in horror at the very idea of such a thing and there will be some who do, I thank her for her time and move on. That mamasan is less than useless for my purposes. But every now and then a mamasan will take the assignment seriously and will hook you up royally with the 3-4 girls in bar she knows can and will make a special customer happy in that way. Those are the mamasans who earn their money and the girls who get my business, often repeat repeat and repeat business.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Pokler;3073645]I'm trying to tie this question into the bar fine. Is the BF I paid good to have the girl just for 90 minutes or a few hours or can she stay longer if she is good with the extra BHT I offer?[/QUOTE]I'm even older than you and my last 2 pop ST session was about 2 years ago. In my younger years, I would sometimes get multiple pops without additional money. Very rarely did the girl say she needed to hurry back to the bar.

I seldom do LT, but will do another pop in the morning without additional financial consideration. I'm so old that the morning pop limits my ability to do an evening pop. For me, there is little reason to do LT or pay extra for an extended ST.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3073617]Man, I'm researching to visit Thailand in August but paying the equivalent of around 150 for girls seems crazy to me.

That's more than Medellin where you're paying the equivalent of 30-50 usd for the most beautiful women you'd ever seen. And 100-150 for women who would be in music videos. All from women who treat sex like an Olympic sport.

I might stick mostly to BJ bars.[/QUOTE]You're going to have a bad surprise.

They don't look good in the BJ bars, and they are not all expert at sucking dicks. And it's going to cost at least 800 baht in Bkk.

[QUOTE=Pokler;3073645]I like you would want to get a girl and leave ASAP since at 71 I'm not big on partying with loud music. But unlike you I like to do 2-3 pops but only if the girl turns out to ring all my bells. So for the extra pops should I just offering her more BHT in the room after round one? I'm trying to tie this question into the bar fine. Is the BF I paid good to have the girl just for 90 minutes or a few hours or can she stay longer if she is good with the extra BHT I offer?[/QUOTE]These recent posts remind me that descriptors like "first rate" mean different things to different people. For many of us, there are particular services or ways of delivering those services that make one guys gem another guys dud.

Some time ago I came to the epiphany that no matter where or who, I would negotiate not just based on price, but also on service. Gogo, Thai Friendly, Thermae, street walker, beer bar or wherever. When I meet a girl, I make sure she will do the key services that I want at a price point that I can live with. So whether you want to cum inside, get multiple pops, have the girl stay for more than 60 minutes, take it up the pooper, DFK, etc, make sure that your provider understands that you are willing to pay XXX (her expectation), but you expect YYY service (your expectation). Asking other guys what they got with some rando girl at some rando bar is meaningless. Even if a guy says he got service ABCDEFG from a specific girl at a specific bar for a specific price, it never guarantees that the same girl will give you the same service at the same price with the same attitude or feeling. It is up to the monger to [U]negotiate[/U] to ensure he is getting what he wants. Just my view, but failure to align is a good recipe for disappointment down the road. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3073701]These recent posts remind me that descriptors like "first rate" mean different things to different people. For many of us, there are particular services or ways of delivering those services that make one guys gem another guys dud.

Some time ago I came to the epiphany that no matter where or who, I would negotiate not just based on price, but also on service. Gogo, Thai Friendly, Thermae, street walker, beer bar or wherever. When I meet a girl, I make sure she will do the key services that I want at a price point that I can live with. So whether you want to cum inside, get multiple pops, have the girl stay for more than 60 minutes, take it up the pooper, DFK, etc, make sure that your provider understands that you are willing to pay XXX (her expectation), but you expect YYY service (your expectation). Asking other guys what they got with some rando girl at some rando bar is meaningless. Even if a guy says he got service ABCDEFG from a specific girl at a specific bar for a specific price, it never guarantees that the same girl will give you the same service at the same price with the same attitude or feeling. It is up to the monger to [U]negotiate[/U] to ensure he is getting what he wants. Just my view, but failure to align is a good recipe for disappointment down the road. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]In addition, the monger himself comes with variables that can affect pricing. If two mongers approach a girl wanting to cornhole her, the first is slim and packing six inches with the girth of a #2 pencil; the second monger is heavyset and packing nine inches with the girth of a Coke can. The slim fella is mild mannered and looks like a soft stroker. Meanwhile, the heavyset fella is more aggressive and looks like an ass pounder. The girl knows that the second monger is likely to leave her cornhole out of commission for a day or two, so she factors that into her pricing and charges him more. Two mongers, same hooker, different prices.

Hi, all. Next month I have a work trip to Bangkok for a week. I'm arriving a few days early to give myself the weekend there. I'm excited about this trip and want to experience everything LOL! I've been on Thai Friendly and have gotten a lot of responses. Probably 80% come right out and tell me they are FL so then I request rates. Almost all are 3000st /6000 LT. Some a little more (4000/10000) and some less (2500/6000). Is it expected to negotiate this rate if it's a person on TF? Aside from that, there are some few beautiful ladies who have said they are interested to meet but not alluding to being a FL. For those, are they generally going to be DTF if they realize I'm willing to "help them out", or are these ladies genuinely looking for long term relationships and want to date first?

So, aside from TF I plan to have some Nana Plaza experiences and my hotel is close to there. From reviewing this site I don't have any questions about that, but pointers are always welcome! I'm just excited to see / experience it. I'll also take a trip through Thermae for that experience. Same comment about pointers there.

Lastly I want to go to a top quality massage place. I've never had soapy, nuru or really any kind of erotic massage experience. If you all could pick one place with the hottest girl / best service combination, where would you go? I'm looking for two girls for a couple of hours and anything goes (condom for sex is fine). Suggestions appreciated.

Any experiences I'm missing that shouldn't be missed? Also, if anyone knows girls there that I should consider please let me know. I'm working on getting a membership here so I can PM.

Thanks everyone!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3073749]In addition, the monger himself comes with variables that can affect pricing. If two mongers approach a girl wanting to cornhole her, the first is slim and packing six inches with the girth of a #2 pencil; the second monger is heavyset and packing nine inches with the girth of a Coke can. The slim fella is mild mannered and looks like a soft stroker. Meanwhile, the heavyset fella is more aggressive and looks like an ass pounder. The girl knows that the second monger is likely to leave her cornhole out of commission for a day or two, so she factors that into her pricing and charges him more. Two mongers, same hooker, different prices.[/QUOTE]Old man, small boom boom, big money. Young man too much boom boom.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3073666]That's not to say you walk into any gogo bar and start throwing money at the mamasan. Then again, I can't say from experience that wouldn't work out well for my purposes too. LOL. I've never done it that way. I do at least vet the mamasan first by having her sit with me, perhaps buy her a drink, introduce myself and tell her what I want with some among her girls who are up for it with me, specifically the BBFSCIP part. If she recoils in horror at the very idea of such a thing and there will be some who do, I thank her for her time and move on. That mamasan is less than useless for my purposes. But every now and then a mamasan will take the assignment seriously and will hook you up royally with the 3-4 girls in bar she knows can and will make a special customer happy in that way. Those are the mamasans who earn their money and the girls who get my business, often repeat repeat and repeat business.
[/QUOTE]In the case of my favored mamasan, I first met her in early 2022 and was actually introduced to her by a fellow punter while a 3rd punter was with us. The three of us each bought lady drinks while the mamasan soaked in that we may all be big spenders. Since then, that mamasan has worked at 4 Nana Plaza bars and she recently sent me a Line message that said she is changing back to her second bar, which is valuable information for me. It took about 4 visits before we saw eye-to-eye: I need pretty girl with CIP and mamasan gets good tip. Mamasan has delivered many times since then and each time she gets a good tip.

Regarding a mamasan who "recoils in horror at the very idea of such a thing", sometimes they change their tune. In March I asked a mamasan which girls do BBFS and she cringed and said "none". A few minutes later she came back and said she had a few who would do no condom, but they would insist that I finish outside. In another few minutes she said I could ask the girls if they would allow CIP. Her available BBFS girls were not to my liking, but I gave that mamasan a decent tip (200?) for future reference. It takes time to effectively court a mamasan.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3073701]These recent posts remind me that descriptors like "first rate" mean different things to different people. For many of us, there are particular services or ways of delivering those services that make one guys gem another guys dud.

Some time ago I came to the epiphany that no matter where or who, I would negotiate not just based on price, but also on service. Gogo, Thai Friendly, Thermae, street walker, beer bar or wherever. When I meet a girl, I make sure she will do the key services that I want at a price point that I can live with. So whether you want to cum inside, get multiple pops, have the girl stay for more than 60 minutes, take it up the pooper, DFK, etc, make sure that your provider understands that you are willing to pay XXX (her expectation), but you expect YYY service (your expectation). Asking other guys what they got with some rando girl at some rando bar is meaningless. Even if a guy says he got service ABCDEFG from a specific girl at a specific bar for a specific price, it never guarantees that the same girl will give you the same service at the same price with the same attitude or feeling. It is up to the monger to [U]negotiate[/U] to ensure he is getting what he wants. Just my view, but failure to align is a good recipe for disappointment down the road. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Good common sense advice thanks. Any thought on arranging a threesome? Let the girl I'm negotiating with pick the other girl? Of maybe have 2 from TF I find independent of each other come to my hotel?

[QUOTE=Pokler;3073851]Good common sense advice thanks. Any thought on arranging a threesome? Let the girl I'm negotiating with pick the other girl? Of maybe have 2 from TF I find independent of each other come to my hotel?[/QUOTE]I've never done it myself, but I think the general consensus here is, that when you want a threesome it is best to let girl number one pick girl number two. Because she will pick a girl that she knows and is comfortable with.
Asking 2 girls from TF who don't know each other to come to your hotel, can work out just fine or be a total disaster. It's not recommended, I think.

Also: tell the girls in advance what you expect from them, and be very specific. For example:
Do you want a BJ from one girl, and FS from the other one? Or do you want a BJ and FS from both of them?
Do you want them both in your bed, or is it OK that one of them is 'hiding' in the bath room while the other one is in bed with you?
Do you want them to do lesbian stuff with each other?

And be aware by the way, that most hotels will charge a fee if you want to bring more than one visitor to your room. Usually something like 1000 baht.
Only in high end four and five star hotels you will not have this problem.

[QUOTE=Pokler;3073851]Good common sense advice thanks. Any thought on arranging a threesome? Let the girl I'm negotiating with pick the other girl? Of maybe have 2 from TF I find independent of each other come to my hotel?[/QUOTE]Almost no experience with threesomes. They just don't work well for me. Mogwai's advice sounds very sensible.

One post I read before on this subject resonated with me. The poster, who expects the girls to fully interact with him AND each other said something like "I tell the girls right there in the bar to DFK each other. If they can't do that, they are disqualified from barfine for threesome. " Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=Pokler;3073851]Good common sense advice thanks. Any thought on arranging a threesome? Let the girl I'm negotiating with pick the other girl? Of maybe have 2 from TF I find independent of each other come to my hotel?[/QUOTE]I'd recommend Filipino duo from Mass Rep, they'll bring their box of sex toys and everything. They are hot too better than their photos. Excellent English too. Proper Pro's.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3073909]Almost no experience with threesomes. They just don't work well for me. Mogwai's advice sounds very sensible.

One post I read before on this subject resonated with me. The poster, who expects the girls to fully interact with him AND each other said something like "I tell the girls right there in the bar to DFK each other. If they can't do that, they are disqualified from barfine for threesome. " Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]In all the years that I have punted in LOS, I have never had a full on bisexual 3-way. It has always been 2 girls on me with one girl either blowing me or shagging me cowgirl while I make out with the other girl or have the other girl sit on my face: so very little interaction between the girls. I consider this form of a 3-way fun, but definitely 2nd tier. Oh well, that's Thailand!

Then during covid when I was locked out of Thailand, I went to Brazil for the 1st time and guess what? I started receiving real, full on 3-ways IE 2 girls blowing me at the same time while making out with each other down below and one girl and myself simultaneously going down on the 2nd girl and vice a versa. There is just no comparison between this real form of 3-way and the 2nd tier 3-way that I described above.

Incidentally, there is a 3rd tier of 3-way prevalent in the PI where I have had sex with one girl while the 2nd girl waits on the balcony or in the bathroom for her turn. Obviously, this is not a real ménage a trois, but it's the best I have gotten in AC and in Makati the best I have had is tier 2 ménage a trois.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3073935]In all the years that I have punted in LOS, I have never had a full on bisexual 3-way. It has always been 2 girls on me with one girl either blowing me or shagging me cowgirl while I make out with the other girl or have the other girl sit on my face: so very little interaction between the girls. I consider this form of a 3-way fun, but definitely 2nd tier. Oh well, that's Thailand!...[/QUOTE]Ditto. I don't think a girl on girl thingy would do anything for me. In 50 years of mongering, only had 2 3-somes. Once from Soi 7 Beergarten and once from Voodoo in Nana Plaza. In both cases, the broads were friends. In both cases, one sucking my dick and the other sucking / licking my balls. Beergarten chicks took turns using my camera to video some sucking and fucking action provided by her friend.

Sam.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3073935]In all the years that I have punted in LOS, I have never had a full on bisexual 3-way. It has always been 2 girls on me with one girl either blowing me or shagging me cowgirl while I make out with the other girl or have the other girl sit on my face: so very little interaction between the girls. I consider this form of a 3-way fun, but definitely 2nd tier. Oh well, that's Thailand!

Then during covid when I was locked out of Thailand, I went to Brazil for the 1st time and guess what? I started receiving real, full on 3-ways IE 2 girls blowing me at the same time while making out with each other down below and one girl and myself simultaneously going down on the 2nd girl and vice a versa. There is just no comparison between this real form of 3-way and the 2nd tier 3-way that I described above.

Incidentally, there is a 3rd tier of 3-way prevalent in the PI where I have had sex with one girl while the 2nd girl waits on the balcony or in the bathroom for her turn. Obviously, this is not a real mnage a trois, but it's the best I have gotten in AC and in Makati the best I have had is tier 2 mnage a trois.[/QUOTE]I have done quite a few threesomes here in New York and the fast vast majority there's very little interaction between the girls. Here in New York and the vast majority there's very little interaction between the girls. But I don't mind since in New York is very expensive at least $600 per hour for two girls so in that time I want to maximize the service given to me. On all cases I have one give me a blow job or the other one lick at my ass. Double blowjobs are very common. And of course one sitting on my face while I cowgirl the other one. But pretty much there is DFK three-way DFK. But that's extent of the girls playing with each other pretty much. But when I go to Thailand since all this is just a small fraction of the cost that I'm used to I want to do multi hours so a good part of that time will be the girls playing with each other.

Having your first choice choose the second girl is the safest way, I've heard some horror stories when the girls didn't get along. However, I always insist on choosing both and haven't had a problem, but maybe I've been lucky. I'll also look for girls in the bar that have the appearance of being friends. Some girls in my stream appear twice, usually with a different tag team partner. The other rule I follow is no girl-on-girl, because I want to exclusively be the center of attention. If you can't make up your mind between two girls, then take them both. Cheers.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Ip59j8_aaN4?si=2CIAwX362TopvQ5z[/URL]

[QUOTE=RhinoTusk;3074059]Having your first choice choose the second girl is the safest way, I've heard some horror stories when the girls didn't get along. However, I always insist on choosing both and haven't had a problem, but maybe I've been lucky. I'll also look for girls in the bar that have the appearance of being friends. Some girls in my stream appear twice, usually with a different tag team partner. The other rule I follow is no girl-on-girl, because I want to exclusively be the center of attention. If you can't make up your mind between two girls, then take them both. Cheers.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Ip59j8_aaN4?si=2CIAwX362TopvQ5z[/URL][/QUOTE]I always let the girl pick her partner.

[QUOTE=Oskarr1981;3061091]I have been to many if the nuru shops over several trips, and reached the following conclusions:

- the ones described as 'best' on the internet are only a few of the good ones and not always best.

- for example the praised La Bonita wants you to pay before seeing the girls in the flesh! Do not patronize them.

- and never choose on photos of the girls, they are always heavily enhanced.

- when it comes to the appearance of the girl on the websites, what really makes the difference between shops is mostly the degree and quality of the photo enhancements.

- it is not my opinion that the extra cost in the large brothels (e. G. La Belle) is worth the difference to what is available in shops if you search a bit.

- I found that strolling through areas with numerous shops such as Sukhumvit alley 33 is a good and effective search method, as many girls are sitting outside. You may find real gems this way, and you will pleasure your eyes.

- many less well known shops have cheaper options, such as BJ only or 30 min standard FS sessions.

- from the airport, the trip, search, deed, and return may take you only under 3 hrs. Count on 4 hrs and you are safe. I use the Cityline from the airport combined with the MRT and / or taxis.

As a result of these observations, I found such a gem at Sena Nuru (alley 33): the name of that wonderful, very young woman is Peach. She is offering excellent nuru and very good 100% GFE service. She is sexy and beautiful, with an angelic face, personable, easy going, and she gave me my best experience ever in BKK. Used to Latam, I had not found the girls overly attractive in these thai shops until I met her. I would strongly advise to opt for the nuru option with her, it is well worth it as a warm up and adds only THB400 to the total cost.[/QUOTE]I found the place shut down last week. Very disappointed as I had hoped to see Peach again. Back home I was able to determine the girls went to Aurora33, just a little up street33. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Oskarr1981;3074139]I found the place shut down last week. Very disappointed as I had hoped to see Peach again. Back home I was able to determine the girls went to Aurora33, just a little up street33. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]If you have 3-4 hrs at the airport you can get to that area in Sukhumvit33 where aurora33 and many other places are:

1. Buy a train ticket to 5th stop Makassan. 10min ride

2. There get out and walk 5min following the signs to the MRT blue line (phetchaburi station). But a ticket for the next stop south (Sukhumvit).

3. Googlemap and walk 10-15 minutes.

From there, if not happy, walk another 10 min to BKKVice.

Random question but when I visited Thailand in 2019 one of my fondest memories was the absurdly cheap imported wagyu and high quality new Zealand beef. I remember getting wagyu steak in ko Samui for the equivalent of 15 usd.

Is it still cheap? I'm headed back next month.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3074206]Random question but when I visited Thailand in 2019 one of my fondest memories was the absurdly cheap imported wagyu and high quality new Zealand beef. I remember getting wagyu steak in ko Samui for the equivalent of 15 usd.

Is it still cheap? I'm headed back next month.[/QUOTE]Huh? I've been in Thailand many times both before and after 2019, including Samui. I've struggled to find good quality beef and it has never been cheap. Samui has been particularly lacking. Sukhumvit Soi 4 in Bangkok has a place called The Tavern, which has served good steaks at a fair price. But that was an occasional offering, not every night and the ownership has changed since the last time I was there.

There are some nice steak houses that serve decent steaks, but I sure don't remember them offering cheap wagyu.

If you can describe where you found cheap and good steaks in Samui, please enlighten me. I spend a lot of time in Samui and have given up finding decent beef.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3074100]I always let the girl pick her partner.[/QUOTE]I used to do that.

But the problem is that the girl will always chose an average/below average looking girl. She never picks the top notch girl who is always barfined.

BTW, IMO, one of the best places to get a real three-some is Colombia. When asked, most girls will say yes. Brazil might be same/better, but I have limited experiences there.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3053420]I tried Thaifriendly. Most women did not look good, old, rough ghetto hoes with lots of tattoos and piercing, mostly bar girls, urge you to meet them in gogo bars to spend money on them.

I tried Smooci, allegedly the dominant escort site, booked a young hot girl with the best-looking pics to come to my hotel. She showed up 20 years older, 20 lbs heavier, looking hardened and tired in shabby clothes, disheveled hair, bloodshot eyes, an obvious drugs addict. Worse yet, she checked in with hotel reception and they attached a pic of her ID to mine as my guest in their database. She was a very rough bait and switch. No way I would sleep with a run down old woman like her. I told her to leave and refused to give her taxi money. I never bother with escort sites again. So no! I don't think outcall escorts are worth bothering in Bangkok.

I don't know your reasons not to go to bars or cruise the streets, which are the best venues for hot girls. FIWFANS and various incall web sites list hundreds hot, young girls in their hotel rooms, servicing primarily locals, 1000 to 1500 Thb per session. I found many hottest, nicest, sexiest girls this way. Find the girls you like and take BTS and Grab to their hotels. Worth the trip..[/QUOTE]Hi, sorry I'm only reading this now!

The thing is, I'd like to avoid the chaos of go-go bars, if you really want to avoid them. Here's why. But apparently, even the system you described doesn't work, and it takes a lot of luck to find the right one! Anyway, thanks for the reply.

[QUOTE=Oskarr1981;3074171]If you have 3-4 hrs at the airport you can get to that area in Sukhumvit33 where aurora33 and many other places are:
1. Buy a train ticket to 5th stop Makassan. 10min ride
2. There get out and walk 5min following the signs to the MRT blue line (phetchaburi station). But a ticket for the next stop south (Sukhumvit).
3. Googlemap and walk 10-15 minutes.
From there, if not happy, walk another 10 min to BKKVice.[/QUOTE]Makkasan is at least a 20 minute ride from the airport.
But apart from that, there's an easier way to get to Sukhumvit Soi 33 by public transport.
Take the airport rail link to the end station Phaya Thai, which takes approx. 30 minutes.
Follow the signs to the BTS, and buy a ticket for Phrom Phong. Go to the platform for destination Kheha.
From Phrom Phong it's only a 5 minute walk to Soi 33. All in all it will take approx. 1 hour, or maybe a little bit more.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;3074224]I used to do that.

But the problem is that the girl will always chose an average/below average looking girl. She never picks the top notch girl who is always barfined.

BTW, IMO, one of the best places to get a real three-some is Colombia. When asked, most girls will say yes. Brazil might be same/better, but I have limited experiences there.[/QUOTE]I reserve the right to reject possible.

I'm not a big fan of Soi Cowboy but I recently visited Super Nova which is the last shop adjacent to Soi 23. The girls seemed to be younger and they take off their clothes similar to Crazy House. Super Nova feels like a farm system for Crazy House. I believe I read they have the same owners. Baccarat had a good lineup one night, a mediocre lineup the next.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3073695]You're going to have a bad surprise.

They don't look good in the BJ bars, and they are not all expert at sucking dicks. And it's going to cost at least 800 baht in Bkk.[/QUOTE]When it comes to BJs the ugly the better.

[QUOTE=Oskarr1981;3074171]If you have 3-4 hrs at the airport you can get to that area in Sukhumvit33 where aurora33 and many other places are:

1. Buy a train ticket to 5th stop Makassan. 10min ride

2. There get out and walk 5min following the signs to the MRT blue line (phetchaburi station). But a ticket for the next stop south (Sukhumvit).

3. Googlemap and walk 10-15 minutes.

From there, if not happy, walk another 10 min to BKKVice.[/QUOTE]Thank you! I like your way: It is approximately same in time, but simpler and less walking.

[QUOTE=Oskarr1981;3074362]Thank you! I like your way: It is approximately same in time, but simpler and less walking.[/QUOTE]Yep, and if just one small thing goes wrong you're fucked. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Allover;3074286]I'm not a big fan of Soi Cowboy but I recently visited Super Nova which is the last shop adjacent to Soi 23. The girls seemed to be younger and they take off their clothes similar to Crazy House. Super Nova feels like a farm system for Crazy House. I believe I read they have the same owners. Baccarat had a good lineup one night, a mediocre lineup the next.[/QUOTE]What's the bar fine there.

[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3074350]When it comes to BJs the ugly the better.[/QUOTE]Then you'll have a lot of choices to pick, they are all ugly. But it's still hard to know who is expert at blowing dicks.

What's the deal with the bar fire? The only one reporting on it is [URL]RT.com[/URL] looks like a supersized flame thrower.

[QUOTE=Stykler;3074439]Yep, and if just one small thing goes wrong you're fucked. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Yeah was thinking that myself. Like eh. Passport control to get out LOL.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3074491]What's the bar fine there.[/QUOTE]I didn't bar fine or inquire.

[QUOTE=Elario;3043599]OK Captain you asked for it. Here are some of my top things that I do whenever I am in Bangkok. I am purposefully leaving out mongering stuff be / see there is already plenty of that here.

But I have lots of that if people are interested let me know what you like.

Food:

- Best chicken in town Polo Fried Chicken, Pro tip skip the papaya salad and get the corn salad instead its bomb. Of course get the fried chicken. Budget spot with Michelin recommendation. No crowds.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/p7XdPjstVvsgpQJL6[/URL]

- My fav, street food stall- get the pork jowl (neck) Kor Moo Yang. Som Tam Jay So.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/HAaAztTPGdSoX3cN8[/URL]

- Amazing Omakase at a great price ($ 35 USD) 14 courses. Reservations are a MUST this place will be full but no line if you have a resr. There are 2 locations make sure you go to the one you reserved. Amazing quality, ambiance and presentation.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/gxzQPKxyTrXYJ8Ay7[/URL]

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/npzhgRanMZ53AuTQ7[/URL]

- Aunglo by Yangrak is a great Thai / Japanese Asian Bistro. Resrv. Required. Some walk-in seating. Award winning. Not to be missed.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/mMBDoQM13oXC2EUeA[/URL]

- Take a food tour of Yaowarat (Chinatown). Find them on AirBnB experiences or Viator. They have some during day and evening. It's a rich cultural experience.

- Great Indian food if you get sick of Thai food. Amritsr Restaurant.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/gttYYbyxmKiNSjdB6[/URL]

Coffee: Sound Pop Coffee. This spot has great coffee drinks, quality beans, and great pastries, no lines. They spin vinyl and serve cocktails some nights. Great spot to work from good wifi.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/ittZESW76LafeWuAA[/URL]

Art:

-Go see: Museum of Contemporary Art (MOCA Bangkok).

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/RP1z1mMFYt1XEfSj7[/URL]

- Tour Talad Noi either guided or not just do it.

[URL]https://www.pursuitofart.com/blog/the-only-bangkok-art-walk-you-need[/URL]

- Song what Road. Lots to see.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/yXJKyRhM1ZcYhdV18[/URL]

- Dib Bangkok new Museum.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/BojiTQuxXQpzQjab9[/URL]

- Bangkok Art & Culture Centre.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/3WcX6kXmAGmgGTZd9[/URL]

Sex safety. Get your full STD testing package on the spot. If you want bareback then show her your negative tests. Get your Pep and PreP Pre and Post exposure HIV meds here. They also offer Anti-HIV meds Truvada, Descovy and the shot (Apretude) which is once every 60 days. Safe Clinic is a bit cheaper than Pulse. Take some form of HIV prophylaxis daily. FYI you will need 5 days of the oral meds before you are protected from HIV. Then take Doxycycline 200 MG or Azithromycin 1000 MG orally 24-72 hrs after any sexual exposure to protect against all the rest. Doxy is highly effective at preventing chlamydia and syphilis, reducing the risk by 70% to 90% in studies. Doxy is Less effective against: It is less effective against gonorrhea (around 50% reduction) due to existing antibiotic-resistant strains in many areas.

Azithromycin: Ninety-six per cent of patients with chlamydial infections and 92% of those with gonorrhoea were cured with azithromycin.

- [URL]https://www.bangkoksafeclinic.com/[/URL].

- [URL]https://www.pulse-clinic.com/prep[/URL].

Transportation -.

Ride hailing apps. : Grab app. To get around town. It is the Uber of most of Asia. Bolt app. Often has cheaper fares and InDrive app. Lets you negotiate.

Get BTS Rabbit card for the train. I don't really use MRT. Pro-Tip. Don't forget you need to bring your passport to the station the first time to get your rabbit card. BTS rabbit card works also on some MRT lines.

MRT is a different card blue and purple lines use the M card.

MRT yellow and pink lines use Rabbit.

Spa / Onsen. This is likely the best massage I have ever gotten anywhere in the world. It is called Yunomori Onsen & Spa they have 4 locations: 2 in Bangkok (Sukhumvit and Sathorn), one in Pattaya, one in Singapore.

They do not offer any extras with the massages so I wouldn't go there for that. It is 100% legit Japanese onsen bath house separated by genders.

There is a male and a female side at each location. It is very affordable and all first class with slippers and some dope Japanese silk robes for you to wear. It is only like $ 25 USD to get in and use facilities. The masseuses are VERY skilled. No SEX stuff don't ask you degenerate. Not that kind of place. The 90 min deep tissue massage is $ 62 and that shit will change your life. I go to this place on arrival and then a few days into my stay. Then again the day before I leave Thailand.

Lodging:

High end close to Nana and Thermal: Landmark Hotel Bangkok is hard to beat or JW Marriot or Double Tree Hilton.

Moderate pricing: Ibis Styles or Novotel near Nana Plaza both good both on Sukhumvit 4.

Budget: Nana hotel good pool.

I got more just hit me up if you have specific questions. I'm headed there Jan 9-31. Will be in Bangkok, Pattaya, and Phnom Penh Cambodia if anyone wants to meet up and chase some tail.[/QUOTE]Thanks lots man!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3074523]What's the deal with the bar fire? The only one reporting on it is [URL]RT.com[/URL] looks like a supersized flame thrower.[/QUOTE]It's bad and bound to get worse.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3285775/pub-inferno-death-toll-rises-to-30[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elario;3043599]OK Captain you asked for it. Here are some of my top things that I do whenever I am in Bangkok. I am purposefully leaving out mongering stuff be / see there is already plenty of that here.

But I have lots of that if people are interested let me know what you like.

Food:

- Best chicken in town Polo Fried Chicken, Pro tip skip the papaya salad and get the corn salad instead its bomb. Of course get the fried chicken. Budget spot with Michelin recommendation. No crowds.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/p7XdPjstVvsgpQJL6[/URL]

- My fav, street food stall- get the pork jowl (neck) Kor Moo Yang. Som Tam Jay So.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/HAaAztTPGdSoX3cN8[/URL]

- Amazing Omakase at a great price ($ 35 USD) 14 courses. Reservations are a MUST this place will be full but no line if you have a resr. There are 2 locations make sure you go to the one you reserved. Amazing quality, ambiance and presentation.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/gxzQPKxyTrXYJ8Ay7[/URL]

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/npzhgRanMZ53AuTQ7[/URL]

- Aunglo by Yangrak is a great Thai / Japanese Asian Bistro. Resrv. Required. Some walk-in seating. Award winning. Not to be missed.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/mMBDoQM13oXC2EUeA[/URL]

- Take a food tour of Yaowarat (Chinatown). Find them on AirBnB experiences or Viator. They have some during day and evening. It's a rich cultural experience.

- Great Indian food if you get sick of Thai food. Amritsr Restaurant..[/QUOTE]I'm going to agree and add. I have been ooc and in usa since December so I don't know about accuracy today. You will have to google, I only have one arm and I apologize for typing.

Food. Polo is a must, as is som tam jay so. Pizza pala romano, nana burger (across from plaza), prachak duck on charoen krung, Steve cafe (on the river). Go to talat phlu market across the river there is fabulous pork and gravy and if you are tired of going street, hit icon Siam. Download eatigo, great way to hit the buffets. There was a street food area off suk 71 near the Burmese market.

Hotels. Those mentioned as well as the ruamchitt, night, s15.

Places: if you don't want to be a song what influencer, then get out of central bkk. Accessible by transit / train: talat phlu, what paknam giant budda, khlong lat mayom market (taxi from blue line phet kasem 48), koh kret via boat, Nonthaburi market, bang nam phueng market, phra samut chedi and the nature walk. Don't miss lumpini park.

If you are mongering and can't take a day off to go to Ayutthaya you are a disgrace. Trains run 24/7 almost.

I can't wait to get off that plane.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3074628]It's bad and bound to get worse.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3285775/pub-inferno-death-toll-rises-to-30[/URL][/QUOTE]When I heard there was a fire with multiple fatalities my first thought was Nana. With only one way in and one way out, a fire there would be tragic.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3056884]This is a really rough result given that you are willing to pay fairly. As you have rightly said before, Thermae is THE freelancer spot if you are looking for one-and-done sex in the bag in the 2500 bhat range. OTOH, negotiating for BBBJCIM or BBFS girlfriend sex (as some of us define it) is just too much of a slog. On top of this I screen out baby mamas, which scratches out quite a few of the Thermae providers, so just not worth the trawl. By the way, how do you explain to the girls you want BBBJ [B]CIM[/B]? BBBJCIM is not a mainstream ask, whereas asking for BBFS is easy to say "don't want bag" via translate.

Lately I am finding Thai Friendly much more conducive to my needs. I am able to screen for superficial looks (face, weight, height) and get those who are freelancers immediately onto WhatsApp or LINE for the essential secondary screening (no baby, price, no condom). Most recently I had a 20 yo 41 kg no baby cutie with braces meet up at diPlace to take a healthy sperm donation in her tight litte love box. Yes, she asked for 3000 bhat, to which I replied I would pay her 2500 bhat plus 500 bhat if she did a good job (which I define minimum as me releasing my load inside). She gets what she wants, and I have her motivated to keep to the deal with no need to further pay extra as my 500 bhat is already the tip. Even in the more challenging Bangkok pool, I am getting improving returns. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Would you mind going into further detail about the actually negotiation? I mean, did start off asking if she does bbbjcip / CIM and she said 3000, or was there a price before that? Thanks.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3032911]So I arrive at the gym and there is a new girl. [B]Asian, cute, early 20's with a very slender package.[/B] Welcome addition indeed! Dressed in a tight workout bra top and short leggings that left nothing to the imagination, she went thought the full Gym Thirst Trap routine. Lying side scissors that exposed her crotch. Back streches that pushed her puffy little mound into the air. Deep bends that had her nicely curved bum jutting in my direction. This went on for 30 minutes and she finished her routine by posing in front of the mirror wall for a set of Slide Into My DMs Selfies for her Instagram.

Well, even though I was on the elliptical watching a match on TV the whole time, obviously her activities did not go unnoticed, giving me a horny little buzz. I was going to need a fix. I scrolled through my LINE contacts and found just the thing to quench my thirst. A few hours later I am balls deep in an [B]asian, cute, early 20's with a very slender package[/B] girl. Even had the same longish hair as Gym Girl. That's why we love Thailand, where you don't have to suffer without. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Nice post man! Although, I'd be curious to know how you actually got in contact with the 20 year old from LINE? Fiwfan? TF? Escort agency? Asking for a friend LOL.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2994910]If you're still spending all your nights in the tourist zones thinking that's the peak Bangkok experience, you may want to try something new.

Some of the best ladies and the best attitudes are hiding in the places the tour groups don't even know exist:

Local massage parlors: The vibe is real. No hard sells, no jaded looks. Girls actually want to have fun. Prices? Yeah, a little easier, but it's the attitude that makes it magic. This has been my experience.

Neighborhood karaoke bars: You're not another walking ATM here. You're a guest. The girls are playful, the smiles are natural, and if there's chemistry, it's more genuine in my experience.

And here's the kicker, even as a farang, you can clean up in these spots if you know how to carry yourself.

You walk in like a normal human being, show some manners, a little charm, and you'll get better treatment than half the Thais. Girls in these places appreciate guys who are cool, who aren't acting like drunk idiots.

Example:

Last week I ducked into a small massage shop in my neighborhood. No huge flashing sign, no "supermodel" lineup at the door. Just normal, friendly girls. Walked in, picked a sweet one with a real smile, not the fake "pay me now" grin. She giggled when I told her in Thai I might leave a tip depending on her "performance. ".

Let's just say by the time we were done, the only thing missing was the wedding vows. No clock-watching. No upselling. No drama. A wonderful GFE and not even one mention of a condom. Tooms you need to do this more often.

I'm a farang, but it didn't matter. When you hit the right local spots, they treat you based on your vibe.

Bottom line:

If you're chasing real connections and real fun and you're not a complete tool, you can change it up and start playing where Bangkok actually lives. It's out there. You just have to stop thinking like a tourist and act like you belong. Learn some basic Thai.

How to find these places. I simply use google maps. I also check out Facebook and search for them in my area. It's a pleasant change to all the tourist places. I mix it up.[/QUOTE]DO yoiu have any names of these places? Or keywords we can use to look them up ourselves?

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2930687]Couple of points, as "freebies" are my main game over here.

How long will you stay? If you're only here for a short holiday, then forget it. It takes time, money, and effort to be successful with the "freebies".

For sure I've gotten several back to my place after the first date, including one just last week, but as a general rule, it doesn't happen. They expect to be wined and dined, etc, etc (somewhat similar to western girls). The more educated and hot she is, the longer it takes to get in her pants. Very few normal girls over here are dying to be a cum receptacle for a horny two week holiday goer. It's just a fact. When I first started staying for long term periods of time here, it took quite a while to build up a good harem of "freebies", and by Thai pussy monger standards, I'm still fairly young, in good shape and considered "hansum". I'm not saying it won't happen for you, as every even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, but it will be frustrating, time consuming, and you may not find a high success rate.

Dating websites = 90% of the girls use photoshop on their pictures. ALWAYS get their line ID and have a video chat with them first. Then meet them at a Starbucks. Starbucks at T21 is my favorite place to meet with them. You will also need to sift out the LB's. I normally use Tinder and FB dating. Be a gentleman.[/QUOTE]I can't completely agree with that. I think you're presenting your own experience as if it's the rule.

I have only been to thailand once so far for a 2 week trip, and am planning another trip in a few weeks, and that first round I've still had sex with at least one regular (non-working) girl on the first date and had another come back to my place the same night, even though she ended up leaving early. So from my own experience, it's clearly possible.

I do agree that living in Bangkok long-term probably makes it much easier to build a consistent rotation of regular girls. But saying a guy who's only there for a couple of weeks should just "forget it" seems too absolute. It may not be the norm, but it definitely happens.

I think success probably depends on a combination of timing, attraction, logistics, and how you handle the interaction, rather than simply how long you're staying.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2897016]Do any of you know why there is a farang surcharge in most places in Thailand. I'm not just talking about pfp. Pretty much anywhere prices aren't posted.

If you think it's because they think you're from a wealthy country and can afford it or your member is too big, you are dead wrong. It's because farangs (meaning almost anybody on the planet other than Koreans and Japanese) are demanding sometimes (very) specific acts and ruining the experience asking for guarantees of x or why. I have heard this over and over again for 20+ years from girls and mamas.

The simple fact is, what a girl wants or likes to do is up to her. Making requests or demands is seen as a negative right after the offensive smell of a particular group of people.

Thais have a go with the flow attitude, if you speak it, their language is simple, they don't generally have have a large number of adjectives and qualifiers that lead to disputes or litigation. When two parties agree in principle to a transaction it's almost always mai pen rai after that.

The OP about fiwfans is mostly correct when in Rome. Save the "I'm paying therefore I get what I want" attitude for your home country. Whatever perversion you're looking for probably has a business that caters to such. It's better to go there than ask the run of the mill sideliner if they take it in the ass with no condom while gagged and handcuffed.

Heed these words (or don't) I don't care. The farang surcharge isn't going anywhere.[/QUOTE]Um no. It is my money, and I will get what I want LOL. They are hookers, pleasure philanthropists, sex experts. They provide a pleasure service, and yes, we talk about what we want out of the experience WE are paying for. If a woman does not agree to terms, she is an adult and can pass, like every other girl. Seeing as the site is long shut down due to a bust I suppose they'd be happy to be back getting "demands" from talkative Farangs, huh?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3074636]Food. Polo is a must, as is som tam jay so.[/QUOTE]Darn it. I just spent some time in BKK and forgot to go to Polo for chicken. Definitely the best chicken I have had in BKK. I thought the restaurant was named after the word pollo which is Spanish for chicken. It is named after the street and the sport polo. There is a branch of Amristsr on Beach Road in Pattaya. My favorite burger in BKK is 25 Degrees Burger inside the Pullman G Hotel. Some swear by Shake Shack (USA chain) at Central World but I'm not a fan. I'm still looking for a good burger in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3074824]DO yoiu have any names of these places? Or keywords we can use to look them up ourselves?[/QUOTE]Try the keyword RTFF.

[QUOTE=Allover;3074852]Darn it. I just spent some time in BKK and forgot to go to Polo for chicken. Definitely the best chicken I have had in BKK. I thought the restaurant was named after the word pollo which is Spanish for chicken. It is named after the street and the sport polo. There is a branch of Amristsr on Beach Road in Pattaya. My favorite burger in BKK is 25 Degrees Burger inside the Pullman G Hotel. Some swear by Shake Shack (USA chain) at Central World but I'm not a fan. I'm still looking for a good burger in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]The burger at 25 Degrees is good. Also the one at Jim's Burger, various locations around BKk. But for lower cost, good value, good beef burger flavor and easy access in the Soi Cowboy / Nana Plaza area of Sukhumvit, the next time you are in Bangkok check out the Smash and Grab Burger in the SW1 Night Market on Sukhumvut at Soi 12, open from 4 pm until Midnight every night. It is my go-to for a good burger fix these days. There is another outlet in the W District collection of eateries near bts Phra Khanong.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2976717]You are correct in your post, except for one important detail, the vast majority of easy civilians you are picking up are not civilian, they are pros, that is a part of the fantasy they are selling you. And they are very, very good at it. Making a foreigner with obvious 'looking for nooky' vibe feel like a top shelf player pays big dividends, whether you think you're getting free nooky doesn't matter. To an 'under the radar' hooker at the mall, you are as easy to spot as a tourist holding a map at a train station to a pick pocket. The more civilian and innocent they make you believe they are, the more it's going to end up costing you. The primitive male provider ego we are all born with always kicks in, and it can be expensive.

It is important for noobs know not to go expecting free pussy to be flying their way from all directions just because they are foreigners.[/QUOTE]I think you're making a claim that's impossible to prove.

How can anyone know that the vast majority of supposedly "easy civilians" are secretly pros? Unless they're openly working or later admit it, that's just speculation.

Sure, some freelancers use dating apps / malls and don't advertise it. I don't think anyone disputes that. But jumping from "some" to "the vast majority" is a huge leap.

I've personally met regular women in Thailand who never asked me for money, met me for ordinary dates, and in some cases came back to my place. Were all of them secretly pros? On what basis could anyone conclude that?

It seems more reasonable to say there are both genuine civilians and hidden pros in the Malls / apps, and you have to judge each person individually rather than assuming every woman who moves quickly must be selling a fantasy.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2839159]I lived in Thailand (not Bangkok) before, and after living here I think it's fairly easy for me most us to quickly make a fairly accurate guess regarding what is a regular couple, and what is not. Especially when
the "not" is your average run of the mill bargil.

E.g. today I was running in Benchakitti and of the one or two handful of farang/thai couples I saw, I would only think one of the girls were a ho. I think in Benchakitti and similar places, that's pretty
normal ratio.

In terminal 21, the ratio is quite different, and I see many farangs with their 'ho in tow. At least 3/10 are 'hos I'd guess, though I'm not spending a lot of time in terminal 21, so could be more.

Regarding meeting regular girls, it's like in the west, but on the 1-10 scale, if you're white and normal looking, you can add a point or two for yourself. E.g. today walking towards Benchakitti park up Suk. 21, I saw a rather tall and pretty girl standing outside some large building. I backtracked and chatted with her a bit, exchanged contact info, and maybe yes, maybe no, we will end up in bed together. Just like in the west.
I also saw a trio of girls in Benchakitti once I finished running today, two of who were quite hot, one I'd rate a 9, and her older friend 8 (would be a 9 too if younger). I did not have any luck with them though. :-/ In the west, I'd be batting out of my league with them, especially taking into account I'm at least 20 years older than any girl I find attractive enough to approach and never did look much like Adonis.

Both tinder and thaifriendly works (I've had more than one girl just show up at the condo I'm renting, and I'm still seeing them now and then), but there's also a fair amount of time-wasting 'hos who don't tell me their 'hos until several messages have been exchanged and it's time to meet, which always pisses me off. Obviously I don't want to open the conversation by asking if she's a ho, so I assume she's a regular girl until she indicates otherwise. In fact, I don't ever bring up the question of if she is a 'ho or not. If she is, she will always tell me sooner or later.[/QUOTE]Interesting perspective. Out of curiosity, when you mention getting "a point or two" for being white, do you think being white is a significant advantage, or do you think a normal-looking Black American guy could expect similar results? I'm not looking to make it about race; I genuinely wonder how much of what you've experienced is due to being a foreigner in general versus specifically being white.

[QUOTE=Allover;3074852]Darn it. I just spent some time in BKK and forgot to go to Polo for chicken. Definitely the best chicken I have had in BKK. I thought the restaurant was named after the word pollo which is Spanish for chicken. It is named after the street and the sport polo. .[/QUOTE]The chicken at Polo is indeed excellent. It is named after the Soi Polo, which is in turn named as such because it leads to the Royal Bangkok Polo Club nearby.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3074752]Nice post man! Although, I'd be curious to know how you actually got in contact with the 20 year old from LINE? Fiwfan? TF? Escort agency? Asking for a friend LOL.[/QUOTE]I originally found the girl at the front of Thermae. (For the cheeky guys who like to insist that everything in front of Thermae is a ladyboy, she is 100% natural born female.) Turned out she was an ex-KozyKazy girl from Soi Cowboy. Since becoming a regular of mine, she has improved her BJ skills to deep throat level. Unfortunately can't hold it very long. She has a delightfully tight pussy that eats up my load every time. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3074750]Would you mind going into further detail about the actually negotiation? I mean, did start off asking if she does bbbjcip / CIM and she said 3000, or was there a price before that? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The upper part of that post refers to a negotiation by EihTooms in Thermae, so he would need to answer your question. In my case, I negotiate for BBFS rather than BBBJCIM. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2976535]This one. This is the one most important thing to know about normal, non-p4p thai girls. That's what makes Thailand, if no longer heaven due to our own age, still a great place for some of us. Even when just visiting.

If you were picking up 20 year old girls on the train, in the gym, in the swimming pool, in your own home country when you were in your late twenties, you still have a fair chance of picking up the same type of girls, at the same places, when you're 20 years older in Thailand.

If you never did that, then no, you're not going to be banging girls half your age in Thailand, unless you pay up in some way, and what you quoted from that other guy's post applies.[/QUOTE]I agree that your baseline matters. If you were comfortable meeting women and going on dates in your twenties, those skills don't suddenly disappear in Thailand.

Where I disagree is the implication that if you couldn't regularly pull younger women back home, you won't do it in Thailand without paying. That simply doesn't fit reality or even many of the stories on this forum.

Being a foreigner is an advantage for a lot of Thai women, whether that's because of novelty, perceived status, language, or simply preference. It doesn't guarantee success, but it absolutely changes the equation for some people.

There are plenty of ordinary-looking foreigners who do noticeably better in Thailand than they did at home, just as there are some who don't. Pretending foreign advantage doesn't exist seems just as unrealistic as pretending every Thai woman wants a foreigner.

I'the say the truth is somewhere in the middle. Your own fundamentals still matter, but Thailand can absolutely improve some men's dating prospects compared with their home country.

Lastly, I would not consider "coffee and chill" 'paying up' as you'd take a woman anywhere int he world on a date before fucking her lol

Hi everybody, lately I have been receiving Instagram photos of what appear to be very attractive BKK Gentleman Club girls from an outfit calling themselves the Czech Club. Is this place for real and has anybody been there? The girls look very attractive.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2972686]That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ.

I'm guessing she needs the money, so if anyone contributing member here shares that particular fetish I'll ask her if she minds me forwarding her line-ID.

She's about 20, is kinda sweet, and I guess would look somewhat cute if she lost 50 kg.[/QUOTE]If you still have it, and she doesn't mind sharing her LINE id, please do share LOL.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2972686]That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ..[/QUOTE]Oh yeah send that along if she doesn't have a problem LOL.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2984930]What do these girls who have Sex for the price of a coffee look like?

Asking for a Friend.[/QUOTE]Why this question? They look like normal, cute thai girls LOL. How else are they supposed to look? Just because it is not a pure monetary transaction in TH does not mean the girl has to look like a disaster. I am just saying man LOL. It is Date sex.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3074949]I originally found the girl at the front of Thermae. (For the cheeky guys who like to insist that everything in front of Thermae is a ladyboy, she is 100% natural born female.) Turned out she was an ex-KozyKazy girl from Soi Cowboy. Since becoming a regular of mine, she has improved her BJ skills to deep throat level. Unfortunately can't hold it very long. She has a delightfully tight pussy that eats up my load every time. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Who would be cheeky, plenty of real girls outside.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2972686]That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ.

I'm guessing she needs the money, so if anyone contributing member here shares that particular fetish I'll ask her if she minds me forwarding her line-ID.

She's about 20, is kinda sweet, and I guess would look somewhat cute if she lost 50 kg.[/QUOTE]But what is her name?

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3074917]Interesting perspective. Out of curiosity, when you mention getting "a point or two" for being white, do you think being white is a significant advantage, or do you think a normal-looking Black American guy could expect similar results? I'm not looking to make it about race; I genuinely wonder how much of what you've experienced is due to being a foreigner in general versus specifically being white.[/QUOTE]You do realize that you are replying to a 3 year old post?
And some other posts you replied to recently, are also quite old.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3075109]You do realize that you are replying to a 3 year old post?
And some other posts you replied to recently, are also quite old.[/QUOTE]Yes I do realize that. This info is no less relevant today than it was 3 years ago. Still perfectly valid, and I would still like to know his opinion LOL.

I've been reading through a lot of older threads and noticed different approaches to negotiations on ThaiFriendly and similar sites. Some guys seem to ask the girl for her rate first, while others appear to simply make an offer (e. G. , "X baht for why") and let her accept, decline, or counter.

For those of you who've been doing this a while, what is your typical approach?

* Do you ask her rate first?

* Do you make the first offer yourself?

* If you make the first offer, do you usually get a counteroffer, or is it mostly take-it-or-leave-it?

I'm not asking what the "right" price is. I'm more interested in how the negotiation itself usually unfolds in practice. I'the be interested to hear how you veterans typically handle it.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075139]I've been reading through a lot of older threads and noticed different approaches to negotiations on ThaiFriendly and similar sites. Some guys seem to ask the girl for her rate first, while others appear to simply make an offer (e. G. , "X baht for why") and let her accept, decline, or counter.

For those of you who've been doing this a while, what is your typical approach?

* Do you ask her rate first?

* Do you make the first offer yourself?

* If you make the first offer, do you usually get a counteroffer, or is it mostly take-it-or-leave-it?

I'm not asking what the "right" price is. I'm more interested in how the negotiation itself usually unfolds in practice. I'the be interested to hear how you veterans typically handle it.[/QUOTE]Bro, did you ever in your life get laid ffs? Did ya ever pick up a girl in your country in a club? You afraid of girls?

I don't bother with offers and counteroffers. Over what? 500 baht? I wipe my ass with that. I make the first move: I say Hi, can I shove my cock in your ass, how much. And it goes from there.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075139]I've been reading through a lot of older threads and noticed different approaches to negotiations on ThaiFriendly and similar sites. Some guys seem to ask the girl for her rate first, while others appear to simply make an offer (e. G. , "X baht for why") and let her accept, decline, or counter.

For those of you who've been doing this a while, what is your typical approach?

* Do you ask her rate first?

* Do you make the first offer yourself?

* If you make the first offer, do you usually get a counteroffer, or is it mostly take-it-or-leave-it?

I'm not asking what the "right" price is. I'm more interested in how the negotiation itself usually unfolds in practice. I'the be interested to hear how you veterans typically handle it.[/QUOTE]In negotiations, whoever makes the first offer loses.

I went to Crazy House the other day. Compared to past years, there is more nudity and more silicon.

The number of Farangs is way down. Most customers are Asians now.

I just came across this post. I do like local massage parlors a lot, especially when you are not sure how far they will go. I know Bangkok quite well and though I can't hold a conversation in Thai, I know enough to make most smile.

Normally I stay in Thonglor because I have friends in the area.

How local are we talking? I do like exploring. Would Ekkamai qualify? Or are we talking like Bang Na or even Samut Prakan?

Just to get an idea where to explore.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2994910]If you're still spending all your nights in the tourist zones thinking that's the peak Bangkok experience, you may want to try something new.

Some of the best ladies and the best attitudes are hiding in the places the tour groups don't even know exist:

Local massage parlors: The vibe is real. No hard sells, no jaded looks. Girls actually want to have fun. Prices? Yeah, a little easier, but it's the attitude that makes it magic. This has been my experience.

Neighborhood karaoke bars: You're not another walking ATM here. You're a guest. The girls are playful, the smiles are natural, and if there's chemistry, it's more genuine in my experience.

And here's the kicker, even as a farang, you can clean up in these spots if you know how to carry yourself.

You walk in like a normal human being, show some manners, a little charm, and you'll get better treatment than half the Thais. Girls in these places appreciate guys who are cool, who aren't acting like drunk idiots.

Example:

Last week I ducked into a small massage shop in my neighborhood. No huge flashing sign, no "supermodel" lineup at the door. Just normal, friendly girls. Walked in, picked a sweet one with a real smile, not the fake "pay me now" grin. She giggled when I told her in Thai I might leave a tip depending on her "performance. ".

Let's just say by the time we were done, the only thing missing was the wedding vows. No clock-watching. No upselling. No drama. A wonderful GFE and not even one mention of a condom. Tooms you need to do this more often.

I'm a farang, but it didn't matter. When you hit the right local spots, they treat you based on your vibe.

Bottom line:

If you're chasing real connections and real fun and you're not a complete tool, you can change it up and start playing where Bangkok actually lives. It's out there. You just have to stop thinking like a tourist and act like you belong. Learn some basic Thai.

How to find these places. I simply use google maps. I also check out Facebook and search for them in my area. It's a pleasant change to all the tourist places. I mix it up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3075163]In negotiations, whoever makes the first offer loses.[/QUOTE]To add a possible exception to that rule on the premise that P4 P situations are not set in stone that way:

The OP was asking about negotiations on ThaiFriendly and such. I can't speak to that very much because I haven't used an online hook up site like ThaiFriendly in years. But I can identify one major hurdle with any negotiations on sites like that; you don't really know and won't know who you have been negotiating with until the hotel door swings open. Even with what you might think is an extensive video chat first, her age, height, true weight and overall impression to you and anyone else trying to hook up with her is still largely unknown until you meet her in the flesh.

However, with face-to-face negotiations in bars, clubs or on the street and without an experienced and tip-worthy mamasan doing her job to vet her girls for things like BBFSCIP with me, I have Google Translate countered above average looking girls' "first offer" of, say, 3,000 for Short Time with something like, " I would give you 3,500 if we kiss on the lips with our tongues touching, you give me a blowjob with no condom for a while and then we boom boom / fuck without a condom until I finish inside your vagina. ".

Now, if she agrees to that scenario for 3,500 or counters with 4,000 and I agree to that amount, which one of us has won and which one of us has lost?

Of course, I know the real stud punters here will insist they could have gotten all of those conditions met with that above average looking gogo bargirl instantly with a counter offer of 1,500 baht, not a word of discussion about those conditions in the bar or in the room, she would have also stayed Long Time from 10 pm and had to kick her out at 12 Noon the next day after she cooked him a big American breakfast and washed and ironed his overflowing basket of laundry.

But in my experience the chances of that above average looking gogo bargirl agreeing to those conditions in my room, without which I will have wasted my time, any barfine money I will have paid and her "first offer" amount of baht I should also honor or even 500 - 1000 baht less if that is what it was negotiated down to, without launching into that early negotiation is maybe 1 in 50. In a good month. With about an 85% chance of her saying No in the room for those things for any amount of money, no negotiation possible.

So I countered her "first offer" with an even better offer moneywise. She wins that one big. But only if I agreed to pay the barfine and take her. And I will only agree to pay the barfine and take her if she agrees to my conditions. Whereupon I win that one big. Is it a win win? IMO, yes.

If the negotiation flops and it's No all around from her, the most likely result, I have just saved myself a barfine, the girl's fee and a waste of time buzzkill.

Mind you, I'm talking about an objectively above average looking Thai P4 P girl and not, forgive me, a below average looking hardcase who can't afford to say No to almost anything with almost anyone for almost any amount of baht. And I am combining that with BBFSCIP. As I have opined previously, that combination is practically the only real challenge in the Thai P4 P universe. Ok, maybe getting a BBBJCIM+Swallow from an above average looking P4 P girl is a challenge too.

And I mean aside from more exotic stuff like Anal, BB Anal, True Threesomes, whatever, with above average looking P4 P girls.

I don't believe there is any research necessary for gents who are happy with Covered FS in Thailand other than finding out what the general current going rates are for Short Time and Long Time in bars, in clubs, on the street, on ThaFriendly, etc. I envy you for that. If a lady strikes your fancy and the baht number you two agree on is close to the going rate regardless who made the "first offer", stop shopping and say Ok let's go. But that is a very different game, playing field and set of rules than getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP with an above average looking Thai P4P girl, especially for an amount of baht anywhere close to the going rate for Covered FS with most other girls.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3075184]To add a possible exception to that rule on the premise that P4 P situations are not set in stone that way:

The OP was asking about negotiations on ThaiFriendly and such. I can't speak to that very much because I haven't used an online hook up site like ThaiFriendly in years. But I can identify one major hurdle with any negotiations on sites like that; you don't really know and won't know who you have been negotiating with until the hotel door swings open. Even with what you might think is an extensive video chat first, her age, height, true weight and overall impression to you and anyone else trying to hook up with her is still largely unknown until you meet her in the flesh.

However, with face-to-face negotiations in bars, clubs or on the street and without an experienced and tip-worthy mamasan doing her job to vet her girls for things like BBFSCIP with me, I have Google Translate countered above average looking girls' "first offer" of, say, 3,000 for Short Time with something like, " I would give you 3,500 if we kiss on the lips with our tongues touching, you give me a blowjob with no condom for a while and then we boom boom / fuck without a condom until I finish inside your vagina. ".

Now, if she agrees to that scenario for 3,500 or counters with 4,000 and I agree to that amount, which one of us has won and which one of us has lost?

Of course, I know the real stud punters here will insist they could have gotten all of those conditions met with that above average looking gogo bargirl instantly with a counter offer of 1,500 baht, not a word of discussion about those conditions in the bar or in the room, she would have also stayed Long Time from 10 pm and had to kick her out at 12 Noon the next day after she cooked him a big American breakfast and washed and ironed his overflowing basket of laundry.

But in my experience the chances of that above average looking gogo bargirl agreeing to those conditions in my room, without which I will have wasted my time, any barfine money I will have paid and her "first offer" amount of baht I should also honor or even 500 - 1000 baht less if that is what it was negotiated down to, without launching into that early negotiation is maybe 1 in 50. In a good month. With about an 85% chance of her saying No in the room for those things for any amount of money, no negotiation possible.

So I countered her "first offer" with an even better offer moneywise. She wins that one big. But only if I agreed to pay the barfine and take her. And I will only agree to pay the barfine and take her if she agrees to my conditions. Whereupon I win that one big. Is it a win win? IMO, yes.

If the negotiation flops and it's No all around from her, the most likely result, I have just saved myself a barfine, the girl's fee and a waste of time buzzkill.

Mind you, I'm talking about an objectively above average looking Thai P4 P girl and not, forgive me, a below average looking hardcase who can't afford to say No to almost anything with almost anyone for almost any amount of baht. And I am combining that with BBFSCIP. As I have opined previously, that combination is practically the only real challenge in the Thai P4 P universe. Ok, maybe getting a BBBJCIM+Swallow from an above average looking P4 P girl is a challenge too.

And I mean aside from more exotic stuff like Anal, BB Anal, True Threesomes, whatever, with above average looking P4 P girls.

I don't believe there is any research necessary for gents who are happy with Covered FS in Thailand other than finding out what the general current going rates are for Short Time and Long Time in bars, in clubs, on the street, on ThaFriendly, etc. I envy you for that. If a lady strikes your fancy and the baht number you two agree on is close to the going rate regardless who made the "first offer", stop shopping and say Ok let's go. But that is a very different game, playing field and set of rules than getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP with an above average looking Thai P4P girl, especially for an amount of baht anywhere close to the going rate for Covered FS with most other girls.

As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]I think your premise rests on a couple of assumptions that may not actually be true.

First, you repeatedly describe BBFSCIP with an above-average P4 P girl as "the only real challenge" in Thailand. But a challenge for whom? That's not a universal challenge. It may simply reflect your own approach, personality, negotiation style, or the particular girls you're selecting. Another guy could approach the same women differently and get different results.

Second, your examples always seem to jump between two extremes: either an objectively above-average girl who supposedly won't agree for almost any amount, or a below-average girl who "can't afford to say no. " Isn't there a huge middle ground between those two? Most women don't neatly fit either category.

Finally, I don't really agree that guys who are only looking for covered FS don't need to do much research. Research depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Some guys care about reliability, looks, attitude, kissing, GFE, language ability, location, avoiding bait-and-switches, avoiding scammers, or simply finding women they're attracted to. Those are all perfectly valid reasons to research, even if they have no interest in negotiating for BBFSCIP. And yes, they can even want to research negotiation tactics to ensure a fair deal is had.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3075163]In negotiations, whoever makes the first offer loses.[/QUOTE]I don't know that I'd go that far. Isn't that a bit of an oversimplification?

If you know the market reasonably well, making the first offer can establish the anchor for the rest of the negotiation. On the other hand, if you have no idea what the going rate is, then sure, you might end up negotiating against yourself.

It seems to me whether making the first offer is a mistake depends on how much information each side has, not on some universal rule.

For example, there are quite a few guys here who seem to make the first offer on ThaiFriendly, or in general, rather than asking for the girl's rate first, and apparently do just fine. I'd be interested to hear why they prefer that approach.

The search function doesn't seem to be working for me, so apologies if this has been covered before.

Aside from ThaiFriendly or possibly SWs, where do you guys find the better-looking 18 yr olds Bangkok?

Are there any particular massage shops, soapy massage places, websites, apps, cafés, nightlife areas, or other venues that tend to attract that age category?

I haven't really seen a dedicated thread discussing this, so I figured I'the ask. I'm mainly interested in hearing where the veterans have had the most success and whether there are places that tend to be overlooked.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations or experiences.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075226]Aside from ThaiFriendly or possibly SWs, where do you guys find the better-looking 18 yr olds Bangkok?

Are there any particular massage shops, soapy massage places, websites, apps, cafs, nightlife areas, or other venues that tend to attract that age category?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations or experiences.[/QUOTE]IMO, there are a lot of variables to consider. Looking for true age? Looking like an 18 year old? Looking for a pro / porn star? Looking for BKK or are you willing to go to a "second city" like Buriram? You age, looks and "game" will probably be a factor also. How soon your need requires fulfillment? (If a non pro, do you have the time to invest in at least a week of "courtship".

If I was under 30, look good / presentable, I'the hit Siam Square at lunch time or late afternoon. LOTS of eye candy from Chula readily identifiable by their uniforms. See how far a bit of flirting / gamesmanship will go. Don't be discouraged if rejected.

I once scored a student from Bangkok Business College. She was a true cousin of a regular I "dated" who danced on Soi Cowboy. It was an "accidental" meeting. I won't say her age, but I was 47 and she was 30 years younger. Apparently ready to work her way through college, "getting' a lot of knowledge".

You might ask your hotel maid if she knows any potential targets. I've had a couple of maids offer up a young relative.

Like said at the top; a lot of variables. Good luck.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075226]The search function doesn't seem to be working for me, so apologies if this has been covered before.

Aside from ThaiFriendly or possibly SWs, where do you guys find the better-looking 18 yr olds Bangkok?

Are there any particular massage shops, soapy massage places, websites, apps, cafs, nightlife areas, or other venues that tend to attract that age category?

I haven't really seen a dedicated thread discussing this, so I figured I'the ask. I'm mainly interested in hearing where the veterans have had the most success and whether there are places that tend to be overlooked.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations or experiences.[/QUOTE]Quite a few hotels only allow girls to join you if they are 20, the laws in Thailand re age of consent, age of majority / minors etc is quite complex. Bit of a mind-field. Buyer beware!

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075222]
First, you repeatedly describe BBFSCIP with an above-average P4 P girl as "the only real challenge" in Thailand. [/QUOTE]As he has already done hundreds of times. Really annoying.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075226]Aside from ThaiFriendly or possibly SWs, where do you guys find the better-looking 18 yr olds Bangkok?[/QUOTE]In my experience, NONE of the 4 Bangkok girls who gave their age as either 18 or 19 on TF were actually 18 or 19. Actual age was either 20 or 21.

Honestly, if there was such a mythical oasis that had a reliable well of "better-looking 18 yr olds" in Bangkok, the last thing I would do is advertise it to all and sundry. Finding such P4 P girls is a prospecting game. It takes time, effort and patience IMHO. Those traits are in short supply amongst most mongers. AR.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075222]I think your premise rests on a couple of assumptions that may not actually be true.[/QUOTE]You asked about negotiations. Do you prefer the snarky Twitter-sized replies? Or do you appreciate that somebody gave you a somewhat detailed reply based on their preferences and IRL experiences. AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3075268]You asked about negotiations. Do you prefer the snarky Twitter-sized replies? Or do you appreciate that somebody gave you a somewhat detailed reply based on their preferences and IRL experiences. AR.[/QUOTE]I understand.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3075233]IMO, there are a lot of variables to consider. Looking for true age? Looking like an 18 year old? Looking for a pro / porn star? Looking for BKK or are you willing to go to a "second city" like Buriram? You age, looks and "game" will probably be a factor also. How soon your need requires fulfillment? (If a non pro, do you have the time to invest in at least a week of "courtship".

If I was under 30, look good / presentable, I'the hit Siam Square at lunch time or late afternoon. LOTS of eye candy from Chula readily identifiable by their uniforms. See how far a bit of flirting / gamesmanship will go. Don't be discouraged if rejected.

I once scored a student from Bangkok Business College. She was a true cousin of a regular I "dated" who danced on Soi Cowboy. It was an "accidental" meeting. I won't say her age, but I was 47 and she was 30 years younger. Apparently ready to work her way through college, "getting' a lot of knowledge".

You might ask your hotel maid if she knows any potential targets. I've had a couple of maids offer up a young relative.

Like said at the top; a lot of variables. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I should have clarified that I was thinking more along the P4 P side rather than cold approaching university students.

I'm 38, so while I don't think that's too old to date younger women in Thailand, I also realize walking up to Chula students probably isn't the best play. However, curious is You think it could still work for a normal looking 38 year old?

I was more wondering whether there are particular soapies, massage places, MPs, bars, websites, or other venues that tend to have a younger (18) group of women compared to the average. That was more the direction of my question.

I want True age if at all possible. I also don't mind going to a second city at all. I only have about 2 weeks so time for "courtship".

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075139]I've been reading through a lot of older threads and noticed different approaches to negotiations on ThaiFriendly and similar sites. Some guys seem to ask the girl for her rate first, while others appear to simply make an offer (e. G. , "X baht for why") and let her accept, decline, or counter.

For those of you who've been doing this a while, what is your typical approach?

* Do you ask her rate first?

* Do you make the first offer yourself?

* If you make the first offer, do you usually get a counteroffer, or is it mostly take-it-or-leave-it?

I'm not asking what the "right" price is. I'm more interested in how the negotiation itself usually unfolds in practice. I'the be interested to hear how you veterans typically handle it.[/QUOTE]I won't ask her fee first. I will ask if she would like to go upstairs (Soi 6, Pattaya) or if she would come back to my hotel for short time. At that point she will mention bar fines and rates. If she quotes a high rate, I will frown and tell her I won't pay that much. I will make a counteroffer only if she requests it. I will only negotiate briefly. I don't go for rock bottom pricing as it ruins the vibe. My stack permits me to do this. By the same token I won't accept her offer if it is way out of line. On very rare occasions I'll bring up pricing if she doesn't first. But I never sit there and haggle. I'll do one counteroffer at most.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075275]Thanks. I should have clarified that I was thinking more along the P4 P side rather than cold approaching university students.

I'm 38, so while I don't think that's too old to date younger women in Thailand, I also realize walking up to Chula students probably isn't the best play. However, curious is You think it could still work for a normal looking 38 year old?

I was more wondering whether there are particular soapies, massage places, MPs, bars, websites, or other venues that tend to have a younger (18) group of women compared to the average. That was more the direction of my question.

I want True age if at all possible. I also don't mind going to a second city at all. I only have about 2 weeks so time for "courtship".[/QUOTE]Having read a bunch of your posts and a couple of DMs, it's apparent that you are doing a lot of learning in an attempt to get results of a seasoned punter while you are still green. It won't happen until you have invested time and money in kingdom. It's going to take a long time until you understand things to the level of seasoned veterans, like Eih Tooms. I estimate that I've spent cumulative 18 months in Thailand and my knowledge is far below the true veterans.

It's time to take your trip, enjoy the successes, learn from the failures. If you are satisfied with CFS and have some baht to spend, you will have lots of success. At age 38 with average appearance, clean, well groomed, and polite, some of those successes will be with girls 25 and under. As Eih Tooms has written, the challenge is getting CIP or CIM/swallow from pretty girls.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075226]The search function doesn't seem to be working for me, so apologies if this has been covered before.

Aside from ThaiFriendly or possibly SWs, where do you guys find the better-looking 18 yr olds Bangkok?

Are there any particular massage shops, soapy massage places, websites, apps, cafs, nightlife areas, or other venues that tend to attract that age category?

I haven't really seen a dedicated thread discussing this, so I figured I'the ask. I'm mainly interested in hearing where the veterans have had the most success and whether there are places that tend to be overlooked.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations or experiences.[/QUOTE]So you want to bareback cum-in-pussy an 18-year-old Thai stunner, but you are a middle-aged farang with only normal looks. Honestly, hardly any Thai stunners that age will want to risk breeding with you. However, if you put in a lot of work and offer at least 350,000 baht and 60 grams of gold for Sin Sod, you may get a taker.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075275]I only have about 2 weeks so time for "courtship".[/QUOTE]Why bother with all the bullshit and expectations, then? Just make a list of places to check out, visit them, have fun. Don't forget the freelancers, still some decent Viets on Soi 4 and Soi 11. If you see someone you like, great, if not, move on to the next place.

Thailand's scene doesn't really specialize in top-shelf looks or ticking exact boxes like age. Most hookers look worse for the wear, with bad tattoos, ugly nose jobs, horrid makeup. There's still fun to be had, so chill out, enjoy looking and when you spot someone you like, try to have a bit of chemistry.

Accept that you're a newbie, that you're not going to outdo anyone or unlock some secret venue or method that's so much better than average.

If you have a specification fetish, try high end places like Maria massage (usually for Asian customers).

As for the "second city", for mongering split your time between Bangkok and Pattaya.

Regarding price negotiations, it depends on the venue. Most "massage" style places have fixed prices. If you know the going rate, it's best to offer first and start on the low side, but still realistic (e.g. you can offer 1000 for short time to a freelancer on Soi 4, but not in an agogo).

BTW, 20 is the minimum legal age in the pay-for-play industry, avoid any lower than that.

Hey Boobs. You've been given a lot of excellent info and advice from a number of long time expats and frequent visitors totaling decades of experience. In addition, YouTube has some good videos produced by guys living in BKK and Pattaya and elsewhere. Read, watch, and learn. Hand holding is not often on the menu here. You've already been blessed.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;3075347]

Thailand's scene doesn't really specialize in top-shelf looks or ticking exact boxes like age. Most hookers look worse for the wear, with bad tattoos, ugly nose jobs, horrid makeup. There's still fun to be had, so chill out, enjoy looking and when you spot someone you like, try to have a bit of chemistry.

Accept that you're a newbie, that you're not going to outdo anyone or unlock some secret venue or method that's so much better than average.


[/QUOTE]I appreciate the advice. I've only been to Thailand once, so I'm definitely still a newbie, but even just walking around Nana I saw plenty of gorgeous girls. Maybe it depends on the venue or just personal taste. I was mainly asking so I can make the most of my next trip, not because I'm expecting some secret place.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3075366]Hey Boobs. You've been given a lot of excellent info and advice from a number of long time expats and frequent visitors totaling decades of experience. In addition, YouTube has some good videos produced by guys living in BKK and Pattaya and elsewhere. Read, watch, and learn. Hand holding is not often on the menu here. You've already been blessed.

Sam.[/QUOTE]I appreciate it. That is why I love this Board LOL. You guys are hella interesting and helpful.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3075338]So you want to bareback cum-in-pussy an 18-year-old Thai stunner, but you are a middle-aged farang with only normal looks. Honestly, hardly any Thai stunners that age will want to risk breeding with you. However, if you put in a lot of work and offer at least 350,000 baht and 60 grams of gold for Sin Sod, you may get a taker.[/QUOTE]Haha, I think we're talking about two different things. I wasn't asking how to marry an 18-year-old or have kids with one. I was asking about the P4 P scene. Based on what I've seen, there are definitely attractive 18-20-year-olds seeing much older foreign dudes, so I don't think 350,000 baht and sin sod are required 😂 maybe 2500-3000 baht LOL. I met and ate out a cute 18 yr old civilian chick from online once LOL did not get to fuck though, unfortunately. Her pussy tasted like sweet nectar of the gods.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2983812]Really, if you can elevate your game to these university dorm girls. But first you got to get past the gatekeeper to be able live with girls in their dorm. What I do is sign up for English classes. Pretend I don't understand the language. Me speaky no gud Engrish. Then I draw the attention to me by being the best student in the class and ready to tutor some of these girls. Even do their homework for them which is a breeze for me. They happy. Me happy. We fuck. Most are ready and available for that SD / SB life if you are a decent looking distinguished gentleman like myself. But the annoying thing is these girls aren't as clean as the pros. They don't want to shower before and after the deed.

Immature brats! LOL.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6OZaPYsrKSc&pp=ygUiY29sbGVnZSBnaXJscyBhcmUgZWFzeSBqZXNzZSBqYW1lcw%3D%3D[/URL]

[B]How you like that boom boom pow?[/B][/QUOTE]I know this is digging up an old thread, but it was too good not to ask about.

At ElMexicant, were you literally taking English classes at a university to get access to the dorms? If so, what kind of program was it?

That's the part I couldn't quite wrap my head around. I understand the strategy of helping classmates and building a social circle, but I wasn't aware there were English programs that would actually put a foreigner in student housing.

Was it a university language program, a private school, or something else? I'm genuinely curious because that's a pretty unique approach to fuck young women.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3075338]So you want to bareback cum-in-pussy an 18-year-old Thai stunner, but you are a middle-aged farang with only normal looks. Honestly, hardly any Thai stunners that age will want to risk breeding with you. However, if you put in a lot of work and offer at least 350,000 baht and 60 grams of gold for Sin Sod, you may get a taker.[/QUOTE]555, that's a bit of an exaggeration. In certain situations, it is possible. I'm a whole lot older and less desirable than an average 38 year old and I've done it many times for about 2 orders of magnitude less money and no mention of sin sod. There are two keys. First, convince them you are STD free. Be ready to present your recent STD test results that show a minimum of negative HIV (that's what they mostly worry about). Even with valid documentation, most will not trust you and probably not even look. Second, convince them you've had a vasectomy. I don't know how to do this, I've had vasectomy and many subsequent testings, but I can't prove it. If you haven't had a vasectomy, you should stick to CFS; these girls may or may not be on birth control and they lie like a rug.

If you've courted a mamasan at a go-go club, work through her. Show mamasan your clean bill of health and convince her you've had a vasectomy. But, that's not going to happen quickly.

The less desirable girls are often ready for BBFSCIP, some without surcharge and some with surcharge. They need the money. It's the hotties that are more difficult, they have plenty of offers.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075378]I know this is digging up an old thread, but it was too good not to ask about.
At ElMexicant, were you literally taking English classes at a university to get access to the dorms? If so, what kind of program was it?
[/QUOTE]ElMexicant has not been active since April 2025, so you probably won't get an answer.
But that doesn't matter, because 99% of his posts were bullshit. Including the one you replied to.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3075415]ElMexicant has not been active since April 2025, so you probably won't get an answer.
But that doesn't matter, because 99% of his posts were bullshit. Including the one you replied to.[/QUOTE]Lmao, I probably should've seen that coming. I read that whole "Dorm Sweet Dorm" saga thinking this guy had discovered some genius loophole. Turns out the real lesson was not to believe everything you read on ISG. 🤣.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3075441]Lmao, I probably should've seen that coming. I read that whole "Dorm Sweet Dorm" saga thinking this guy had discovered some genius loophole. Turns out the real lesson was not to believe everything you read on ISG. 🤣.[/QUOTE]You should indeed not believe everything you read here. However, it is certainly possible to fuck students in BKK. You can find them in Thai Friendly, for example.
Recently I had a 24 yo math student, and a 22 yo law student. They both had very tight pussies, but that's probably a coincidence.
Other board members have also reported that they fucked students.

Addition: I forgot that in my last holiday in Pattaya I had an engineering student from Bangkok. Nice girl, but a bit dick scared unfortunately.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3075389]555, that's a bit of an exaggeration. In certain situations, it is possible. I'm a whole lot older and less desirable than an average 38 year old and I've done it many times for about 2 orders of magnitude less money and no mention of sin sod. There are two keys. First, convince them you are STD free. Be ready to present your recent STD test results that show a minimum of negative HIV (that's what they mostly worry about). Even with valid documentation, most will not trust you and probably not even look. Second, convince them you've had a vasectomy. I don't know how to do this, I've had vasectomy and many subsequent testings, but I can't prove it. If you haven't had a vasectomy, you should stick to CFS; these girls may or may not be on birth control and they lie like a rug.

If you've courted a mamasan at a go-go club, work through her. Show mamasan your clean bill of health and convince her you've had a vasectomy. But, that's not going to happen quickly.

The less desirable girls are often ready for BBFSCIP, some without surcharge and some with surcharge. They need the money. It's the hotties that are more difficult, they have plenty of offers.[/QUOTE]Haha, now you are talking my language. Last trip I walked around Sukhumvit / Nana before and seen fat, ugly older men holding hands with 18-25 yr olds every day. Surely a slightly chubby, but otherwise in-shape and normal looking 38 year old man can manage something in another 2 weeks. I just want this trip to be better than last time. last time was just "okay" by most standards.

So for P4 P, where are you finding the 18-20's year olds specifically; Nana, the gogo bars, Soi 4, or somewhere else? Trying to zero in on the spots with the youngest talent. BBFSCIP would be nice as well. I don't want / need "stunners" and will happily settle for cute.

(Side note: out of curiosity, any luck with civilian 18-year-olds too? I managed to eat a civvie's pussy from online once, but she wouldn't let me fuck because she is "scared" of "that" whatever the hell that meant.)

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3075444]You should indeed not believe everything you read here. However, it is certainly possible to fuck students in BKK. You can find them in Thai Friendly, for example.
Recently I had a 24 yo math student, and a 22 yo law student. They both had very tight pussies, but that's probably a coincidence.
Other board members have also reported that they fucked students.

Addition: I forgot that in my last holiday in Pattaya I had an engineering student from Bangkok. Nice girl, but a bit dick scared unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the amazing intel man. I feel this upcoming trip will be way better than the first time due to all the advice. Although, When they act 'dick scared' I am assuming blocking full access/depth or adjusting her hips in a way you can't fully penetrate because of "pain" or some bullshit. You don't just remind them you are paying and tell them to stop being stupid? or end the session and pay half, or less to get out? In maybe not so many words of course. Assuming she was FL and not civ.

[QUOTE=TConor;3075072]But what is her name?[/QUOTE]Meow is her, and probably a million others, nickname.

Good Day Fellow Mongers!

Some of you might remember me from my past posts. I am very thankful for all the advice that I received leading up to my first international trip. At this time of me writing this post, my trip is only 4 months 11 days away.

This time I have some miscellaneous questions.

[B][u]Time:[/u][/B] One of the biggest question is what is the best time of the days to monger. I will be basically going to Go-Go Bars, Soapy places, and picking some a free lancer or two. Based on my independent research, it seems like times of 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM seem to be perfect time to visit bars on Nana and Soi Cowboy. It also seems that you can get some good value for the money picking up a FL after 2:00 AM. - which is when typically all the bars close. My research also shows that going to the bars earlier allows you to take advantage of cheaper drinks for happy hour. TBH I don't care much for happy hour. I would rather take a nap in the late afternoon so I can be up into the wee hrs, but willing to venture out earlier in the evening if more talent is going to be available. But definitely not for cheaper drinks. LOL.

I am finding it a bit hard to research what time I should try and hit the soapy massage places.

[B][u]Attire:[/u][/B] What is the typical acceptable clothing for go-go bars. I have seen people dressed mostly in very casual clothes. I plan to wear a clean button down shirt and shorts or a nice T-shirt and shorts. Is wearing a baseball cap OK. Some strip clubs in United States don't allow wearing any headgear, while some are OK w / it. Especially in S. Florida where I have lot of experience going to strip clubs. I don't think it should be a problem in Thailand but I thought checking with experienced mongers won't hurt.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076029]Good Day Fellow Mongers!

Some of you might remember me from my past posts. I am very thankful for all the advice that I received leading up to my first international trip. At this time of me writing this post, my trip is only 4 months 11 days away.

This time I have some miscellaneous questions.

[B][u]Time:[/u][/B] One of the biggest question is what is the best time of the days to monger. I will be basically going to Go-Go Bars, Soapy places, and picking some a free lancer or two. Based on my independent research, it seems like times of 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM seem to be perfect time to visit bars on Nana and Soi Cowboy. It also seems that you can get some good value for the money picking up a FL after 2:00 AM. - which is when typically all the bars close. My research also shows that going to the bars earlier allows you to take advantage of cheaper drinks for happy hour. TBH I don't care much for happy hour. I would rather take a nap in the late afternoon so I can be up into the wee hrs, but willing to venture out earlier in the evening if more talent is going to be available. But definitely not for cheaper drinks. LOL.

I am finding it a bit hard to research what time I should try and hit the soapy massage places.

[B][u]Attire:[/u][/B] What is the typical acceptable clothing for go-go bars. I have seen people dressed mostly in very casual clothes. I plan to wear a clean button down shirt and shorts or a nice T-shirt and shorts. Is wearing a baseball cap OK. Some strip clubs in United States don't allow wearing any headgear, while some are OK w / it. Especially in S. Florida where I have lot of experience going to strip clubs. I don't think it should be a problem in Thailand but I thought checking with experienced mongers won't hurt.[/QUOTE]It's been a while since we've had such an excellent and well prepared monger as yourself, here presenting such thoughtful and well formulated questions.

While I do not have the pleasure of remembering you from your previous posts, and if the ignore button works correctly, I will not have the pleasure of seeing your future posts either, but looking on your previous posts now, they seem to consist entirely of questions. Would it not be prudent for a gentleman such as yourself, perhaps from India or Pakistan, to instead of saying thanks for the previous advice only by saying "thanks", instead posts some of your experiences, so that we others can also learn from them? Surely this should not be a one-way stream, where all you do is ask for advice, but never contribute anything back?

With only four more months left of planning, I suggest you hurry up and post some of your previous experiences.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3076101]It's been a while since we've had such an excellent and well prepared monger as yourself, here presenting such thoughtful and well formulated questions.

While I do not have the pleasure of remembering you from your previous posts, and if the ignore button works correctly, I will not have the pleasure of seeing your future posts either, but looking on your previous posts now, they seem to consist entirely of questions. Would it not be prudent for a gentleman such as yourself, perhaps from India or Pakistan, to instead of saying thanks for the previous advice only by saying "thanks", instead posts some of your experiences, so that we others can also learn from them? Surely this should not be a one-way stream, where all you do is ask for advice, but never contribute anything back?

With only four more months left of planning, I suggest you hurry up and post some of your previous experiences.[/QUOTE]I am sorry but you seem to have totally seem to have misinterpreted my intentions about the give and take of information. I don't have any experience yet in international mongering (Thailand or otherwise). I will definitely post a field report once I do make it to Thailand. My only experience is of US mongering and dating SBs (Sugar Babies) and I have written plenty of reviews on other sites that cater to the US mongering scene.

It's definitely your prerogative to ignore my posts, should you choose to do so. I have no problem with that.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076144]I am sorry but you seem to have totally seem to have misinterpreted my intentions about the give and take of information. I don't have any experience yet in international mongering (Thailand or otherwise). I will definitely post a field report once I do make it to Thailand. My only experience is of US mongering and dating SBs (Sugar Babies) and I have written plenty of reviews on other sites that cater to the US mongering scene.

It's definitely your prerogative to ignore my posts, should you choose to do so. I have no problem with that.[/QUOTE]Well then def drop some reports in the sugarbaby thread found here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements[/URL]

Don't worry if they are US based. We talk US all the time as part of the sugarbaby world view.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3076164]Well then def drop some reports in the sugarbaby thread found here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements[/URL]

Don't worry if they are US based. We talk US all the time as part of the sugarbaby world view.[/QUOTE]Great! Thanks for that. I will definitely drop some personal experiences over there. You should see some postings over the weekend!

Where is the best place to get Viagra or Viagra equivalent near Nana? I imagine in the chemists? Last time I was there loads of it sold on the street but not sure if real or not. In Bangkok July 31. Usually start off in Stumble Inn.

[QUOTE=KyivBound1986;3076209]Where is the best place to get Viagra or Viagra equivalent near Nana? I imagine in the chemists? Last time I was there loads of it sold on the street but not sure if real or not. In Bangkok July 31. Usually start off in Stumble Inn.[/QUOTE]Not sure if every pharmacy stock original Viagra but they will have generic options. Once asked for Kamagra in a side soi in Thonglor. They didn't have it. But otherwise I haven't been to a pharmacy around Sukhumvit that wouldn't sell you anything. South East Pharmacy is a sure bet (by soi 15).

Don't buy of the street vendors. Especially if you go for the gels. Drugs are temperature sensitive.

[QUOTE=WeingutFritz;3076216]Not sure if every pharmacy stock original Viagra but they will have generic options. Once asked for Kamagra in a side soi in Thonglor. They didn't have it. But otherwise I haven't been to a pharmacy around Sukhumvit that wouldn't sell you anything. South East Pharmacy is a sure bet (by soi 15).

Don't buy of the street vendors. Especially if you go for the gels. Drugs are temperature sensitive.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Blez pharmacy is across from nana plaza so will get it in there during the day. Will get Sidegra as similar to viagra and way cheaper.

It has been a long time since I was in Bangkok too many years for me to count. But visiting two weeks ago some things hadn't changed, the bars in front of Nana were still filled with old guys on pensions complaining about things along with the older ladies in their 40's-50's keeping them company. I spent 3 nights at Maison Hotel and thank you whoever posted about it. Location couldn't have been better I booked through Agoda for 65/ night.

First the girls, it's the low season so talent was a bit sparse in the bars. I walked through Nana and Soi Cowboy and the girls were so aggressive that it was a turnoff. I used ThaiFriendly a bunch and was happy with the results, most quoted between 2-3 k ST which was fine, only one girl insisted on covered BJ. I also stopped by Thermae Cafe, it was an amazing line up of 5-6's. There were exactly 3 hotties the night I visited as I watched they turned down a few guys and said yes to two asian punters. Clearly they could afford to be picky, the last one quoted me 3 k and of course she was one of the worse performers showing yet again that looks often precede poor service. I was surprised at the large Indian / Pakistani population opposite Nana but should mean good Indian food. I talked to a few of the girls they mentioned Indians often come in groups and try to negotiate multiple guys for one girl each guy paying 500-1 k. Some girls are desperate enough to say yes. The highest I was quoted was 5 k by a very pale young stunner, she was willing to come down to 4 k for ST but no more. She looked like a k-pop idol so I am sure she gets takers. Just not really something I would pay extra for.

On my last day I visited Aya Massage, I was on my way to the airport so didn't walk around but I should have, there were a few massage places a block away that looked interesting with better talent than I saw at Aya. Aya itself was straight forward, walk in pick a package and ask for a line up, I showed up in the middle of the day and couldn't pull the smoking hot manager I would rate the girls 6-7's. Service was good and I went on my way to the airport a happy man.

Bangkok itself had changed a lot since I was there keep in mind when I used to visit there was no BTS. I was thinking of Bangkok as a retirement spot but the heat, traffic and pollution took it off the list. The condos are great, I walked around Thonglor and liked it, but couldn't get over the constant gridlock. I know some people rave about Chiang Mai so might check that out next year.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076029]Good Day Fellow Mongers! Some of you might remember me from my past posts. I am very thankful for all the advice that I received leading up to my first international trip. At this time of me writing this post, my trip is only 4 months 11 days away.[/QUOTE]I hope you enjoy your first trip to Thailand.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076029][B][u]Time:[/u][/B] One of the biggest question is what is the best time of the days to monger.[/QUOTE]Best time is your time. Bangkok is a 24 hour city. I have breakfast at 0800. Get my dick sucked at 0900. Starting my day at 1000.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076029]I will be basically going to Go-Go Bars, Soapy places, and picking some a free lancer or two. Based on my independent research, it seems like times of 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM seem to be perfect time to visit bars on Nana and Soi Cowboy. It also seems that you can get some good value for the money picking up a FL after 2:00 AM. - which is when typically all the bars close. My research also shows that going to the bars earlier allows you to take advantage of cheaper drinks for happy hour. TBH I don't care much for happy hour. I would rather take a nap in the late afternoon so I can be up into the wee hrs, but willing to venture out earlier in the evening if more talent is going to be available. But definitely not for cheaper drinks. LOL.[/QUOTE]All of this true!

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076029]I am finding it a bit hard to research what time I should try and hit the soapy massage places.[/QUOTE]From the time the venues open until the time they close.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076029]I[B][u]Attire:[/u][/B] What is the typical acceptable clothing for go-go bars. I have seen people dressed mostly in very casual clothes. I plan to wear a clean button down shirt and shorts or a nice T-shirt and shorts. Is wearing a baseball cap OK. Some strip clubs in United States don't allow wearing any headgear, while some are OK w / it. Especially in S. Florida where I have lot of experience going to strip clubs. I don't think it should be a problem in Thailand but I thought checking with experienced mongers won't hurt.[/QUOTE]At the high end clubs in Bangkok they have dress codes. I am a [I]low places[/I] guy. I have yet to denied entry of a venue based how I was dressed.

[B]I hope you meet your objectives![/B]

Hi Mates, I'm heading off to BK soon (20 days), and while I'm sure I can fill my time at night (partying) and mornings / early afternoon (gym), I'm struggling on what to do in the times in between. Some time I can fill with sightseeing, but especially having dinner's alone is something I dread tbh. So question to you fellow mongers out there; What do you do when alone in Thailand? Any easy way to socialize with other Monger's before we split?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3076237]I hope you enjoy your first trip to Thailand.

Best time is your time. Bangkok is a 24 hour city. I have breakfast at 0800. Get my dick sucked at 0900. Starting my day at 1000.

All of this true!

From the time the venues open until the time they close.

At the high end clubs in Bangkok they have dress codes. I am a [I]low places[/I] guy. I have yet to denied entry of a venue based how I was dressed.

[B]I hope you meet your objectives![/B][/QUOTE]Thanks much! I appreciate your input.

[QUOTE=KyivBound1986;3076209]Where is the best place to get Viagra or Viagra equivalent near Nana? I imagine in the chemists? Last time I was there loads of it sold on the street but not sure if real or not. In Bangkok July 31. Usually start off in Stumble Inn.[/QUOTE]Do you need a script like in the USA?

[QUOTE=MattNL;3076253]Hi Mates, I'm heading off to BK soon (20 days), and while I'm sure I can fill my time at night (partying) and mornings / early afternoon (gym), I'm struggling on what to do in the times in between. Some time I can fill with sightseeing, but especially having dinner's alone is something I dread tbh. So question to you fellow mongers out there; What do you do when alone in Thailand? Any easy way to socialize with other Monger's before we split?[/QUOTE]First, Bangkok is a major tourist destination. There are easily 20 days of tourist stuff that can occupy your days. Second, if you want to stick to mongering, BJ bars and massage places are a good way to spend the afternoon.

[QUOTE=Oskarr1981;3074171]If you have 3-4 hrs at the airport you can get to that area in Sukhumvit33 where aurora33 and many other places are:

1. Buy a train ticket to 5th stop Makassan. 10min ride

2. There get out and walk 5min following the signs to the MRT blue line (phetchaburi station). But a ticket for the next stop south (Sukhumvit).

3. Googlemap and walk 10-15 minutes.

From there, if not happy, walk another 10 min to BKKVice.[/QUOTE]I confirm Peach (ex-Sena) is at Aurora33. Also, closer to the Phrom Phong station, they have a sister business of equal quality, Aurora Massage 24, on Sukhumvit 24.

[QUOTE=Oskarr1981;3076302]I confirm Peach (ex-Sena) is at Aurora33. Also, closer to the Phrom Phong station, they have a sister business of equal quality, Aurora Massage 24, on Sukhumvit 24.[/QUOTE]If you like to navigate in a place employing old unattractive women and men disguised as ladies with their dick cut off their bodies, all the while pretending they are some young innocent girls, these Aurora massage places in Bkk are your best bet, especially the one in soi 33.

[QUOTE=MattNL;3076253]Hi Mates, I'm heading off to BK soon (20 days), and while I'm sure I can fill my time at night (partying) and mornings / early afternoon (gym), I'm struggling on what to do in the times in between. Some time I can fill with sightseeing, but especially having dinner's alone is something I dread tbh. So question to you fellow mongers out there; What do you do when alone in Thailand? Any easy way to socialize with other Monger's before we split?[/QUOTE]Take a day trip. Lots of options. Just query Google. Go to MBK. Headquarters for a lot of counterfeit stuff from clothing to electronics. Also, a lot of food court options.

Go to a movie.

Shop for clothes in Pratunam. Or visit some tailor shops.

Hang out in the Soi 4 beer bars.

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3076309]Take a day trip. Lots of options. Just query Google. Go to MBK. Headquarters for a lot of counterfeit stuff from clothing to electronics. Also, a lot of food court options.

Go to a movie.

Shop for clothes in Pratunam. Or visit some tailor shops.

Hang out in the Soi 4 beer bars..[/QUOTE]Appreciate the advice. I'll be looking for many day trips and things to do during the day. I'll mainly keep the mongering for the evenings there. Curious how you all do it for dinner though? Is it normal to eat alone? Any good places to handle that solitude?

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076029]It seems like times of 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM seem to be perfect time to visit bars on Nana and Soi Cowboy. . . I plan to wear a clean button down shirt and shorts or a nice T-shirt and shorts. Is wearing a baseball cap OK?[/QUOTE]At 7:00 pm The go go bars in the Nana Entertainment Plaza and on Soi Cowboy will be just opening and the lineup might be a bit reduced. But you'll be welcome. I'd say prime time is 9:00 pm To Midnight. FWIW Soi Cowboy these days is, in my view, a tourist trap. Full of civilian gawkers. Riddled with multiple ripoff bars run by "The Arab. " Basically coasting on a rep that dates back to the Vietnam War. If you simply must go, walk up and down a couple of times. Then buy a drink at Baccara or Crazy House (which is actually on Soi 23) and call it good.

As for attire, just about anything goes, including a baseball cap. It goes without saying that being freshly shaved and showered is a must. I carry breath mints and/or gum -- which I use frequently and give away to the girls. Finally, I'm a big fan of good cologne, and I'm surprised by how often the girls compliment me on it.

[QUOTE=Bunky;3076394]At 7:00 pm The go go bars in the Nana Entertainment Plaza and on Soi Cowboy will be just opening and the lineup might be a bit reduced. But you'll be welcome. I'd say prime time is 9:00 pm To Midnight. FWIW Soi Cowboy these days is, in my view, a tourist trap. Full of civilian gawkers. Riddled with multiple ripoff bars run by "The Arab. " Basically coasting on a rep that dates back to the Vietnam War.[/QUOTE]So when I was walking through Soi Cowboy I saw families with kids, it was bizarre, why are you dragging your 8 year old here? What is the purpose? Agree with people gawking, just seemed stupid to me. But I guess they want pictures to post on IG on their exotic vacation.

[QUOTE=Pokler;3076277]Do you need a script like in the USA?[/QUOTE]No you don't.

[QUOTE=MattNL;3076379]Curious how you all do it for dinner though? Is it normal to eat alone? Any good places to handle that solitude?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's normal to eat alone. Except maybe at high-end restaurants. But in the Sukhumvit area there are mostly budget and medium range restaurants, where you will see many mongers and also Thai people eating alone.

[QUOTE=Snafu;3076401]So when I was walking through Soi Cowboy I saw families with kids, it was bizarre, why are you dragging your 8 year old here? What is the purpose? Agree with people gawking, just seemed stupid to me. But I guess they want pictures to post on IG on their exotic vacation.[/QUOTE]I like how Nana has a checkpoint and doesn't allow this Tomfoolery to happen there.

[QUOTE=BenBirdwell;3076546]I like how Nana has a checkpoint and doesn't allow this Tomfoolery to happen there.[/QUOTE]I am very grateful for that check point at nana. In my opinion it is one of the main reasons Nana is soo much more comfortable to spend an evening in compared to Cowboy. They keep the pan handlers and bootleggers out. They age check the women. They even have a knack for screening out the large groups of men who are obviously there to look but not spend. Net result; no over crowding, usually always a seat available, and people watching is undisturbed. Compare that with the chaos of Cowboy. Fake watch men bothering you every 15 minutes and tourists with live streaming cameras strapped their hats walking around. Hell, I was sitting street-side with a beer one night and some moron on a bike came roaring down the street and mowed down a whole bunch of people. Whether it was deliberate or an accident I could not tell. Whats crazy is that after a few screams the street just snapped back to normal within a few minutes like nothing happened. No police, no ambulance nothing. People just got back up and kept on doing whatever. If I go to Cowboy it's in and out. No hanging about. Cowboy needs a checkpoint at both ends. Don't get me started on Pattaya. Odds are you will see one or two people on crutches and you can be sure that they didn't arrive to Pattaya that way. My head is constantly on a swivel while in Pattaya and thats not my idea of relaxing.

Hey folks,

So I was looking up Seeking profiles in Bangkok / Phuket and was absolutely gobsmacked by the sheer quality of SB's there (especially European / Russian ones). Each one better than the other, all selfie verified.

I'm planning a trip about a month later and I wanted to know the ballpark range for PPM for a 3-4 HR meet, especially for European / Russian / South American SB's!

DM's open too!

[QUOTE=Bazingba;3076659]Hey folks,

So I was looking up Seeking profiles in Bangkok / Phuket and was absolutely gobsmacked by the sheer quality of SB's there (especially European / Russian ones). Each one better than the other, all selfie verified.

I'm planning a trip about a month later and I wanted to know the ballpark range for PPM for a 3-4 HR meet, especially for European / Russian / South American SB's!

DM's open too![/QUOTE]Thai Friendly (TF) is the site that folks use for hooking up with girls online.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;3076654]I am very grateful for that check point at nana. In my opinion it is one of the main reasons Nana is soo much more comfortable to spend an evening in compared to Cowboy. They keep the pan handlers and bootleggers out. They age check the women. They even have a knack for screening out the large groups of men who are obviously there to look but not spend. Net result; no over crowding, usually always a seat available, and people watching is undisturbed. Compare that with the chaos of Cowboy. Fake watch men bothering you every 15 minutes and tourists with live streaming cameras strapped their hats walking around. Hell, I was sitting street-side with a beer one night and some moron on a bike came roaring down the street and mowed down a whole bunch of people. Whether it was deliberate or an accident I could not tell. Whats crazy is that after a few screams the street just snapped back to normal within a few minutes like nothing happened. No police, no ambulance nothing. People just got back up and kept on doing whatever. If I go to Cowboy it's in and out. No hanging about. Cowboy needs a checkpoint at both ends. Don't get me started on Pattaya. Odds are you will see one or two people on crutches and you can be sure that they didn't arrive to Pattaya that way. My head is constantly on a swivel while in Pattaya and thats not my idea of relaxing.[/QUOTE]Cowboy used to have checkpoints when it was for mongering vs tourism. Khao san road with semi nudity.

[QUOTE=Bunky;3076394]At 7:00 pm The go go bars in the Nana Entertainment Plaza and on Soi Cowboy will be just opening and the lineup might be a bit reduced. But you'll be welcome. I'd say prime time is 9:00 pm To Midnight. FWIW Soi Cowboy these days is, in my view, a tourist trap. Full of civilian gawkers. Riddled with multiple ripoff bars run by "The Arab. " Basically coasting on a rep that dates back to the Vietnam War. If you simply must go, walk up and down a couple of times. Then buy a drink at Baccara or Crazy House (which is actually on Soi 23) and call it good.

As for attire, just about anything goes, including a baseball cap. It goes without saying that being freshly shaved and showered is a must. I carry breath mints and/or gum -- which I use frequently and give away to the girls. Finally, I'm a big fan of good cologne, and I'm surprised by how often the girls compliment me on it.[/QUOTE]Some good points there. I have taken notes from previous posters on which "Arab Bars" to avoid on Soi Cowboy. So I have already acquainted myself with the scams that go on over there like bill padding etc. Some of those bars on my list to avoid are [B]Nice Girls, Deja Vu, Midnite and Venus.[/B] I might venture into the general area of Soi Cowboy since I am told that Terminal 21 Asok is a good place to hang out and they actually got good food.

Hygiene and grooming goes without saying, and as a matter of fact, I always carry with me box of Altoid mints on me whenever going on a date in the US.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3076164]Well then def drop some reports in the sugarbaby thread found here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements[/URL]

Don't worry if they are US based. We talk US all the time as part of the sugarbaby world view.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3076204]Great! Thanks for that. I will definitely drop some personal experiences over there. You should see some postings over the weekend![/QUOTE]I just made a post in the SB section. I will have more inputs as I see a few SBs. I taking a bit of a break right now as I am gearing up for my Bangkok trip.

[QUOTE=MattNL;3076379]Curious how you all do it for dinner though? Is it normal to eat alone? Any good places to handle that solitude?[/QUOTE]The normal thing in Bangkok is to use the Grab Friend service (you find it on the grab app). Quality is variable though, and it's mostly thai men with limited english vocabulary. Many of them are also gay, so be vary, or you may end up with a sore bottom.

For the price of 1000 B per hour, plus food (no cheap street food stalls please), I will however keep you company during dinner. Send me a private message, once you have paid for your membership here, to arrange the details.
I can also hold you by the hand as we visit various go-go bars, including BJ bars (see the expert review that I just posted, should you have any doubt regarding whether I am worth the price or not), for the same price, though in those cases you will of course also have to pay for the girls I choose, just as you pay for the food I choose during dinner.

I was walking back up soi 22, and decided to stop by BIT style. 10-15 years ago it used to be a slightly upscale Japanese inspired (I think also japanese owned) BJ bar, but the last 3-4 years it's gone so downhill that I rarely bother going inside, even though I frequently walk past it when I visit Bangkok.

I walked past it today also, but changed my mind and decided to walk back, pop in and look, before probably exiting within 10 seconds. I now think I also saw some reports here last year that they were now insisting on covered BJ or something ridiculous like that, but forgot about that while walking.

Outside there were two females sitting. One a girl in her early twenties I guess, the other one a woman around 30, who also looked decent enough, though not as good as the younger girl. They showed me the menu, which now spelled out BJ was without condom. I guess the enforced condom usage was not a success. Who could have guessed that.

Choose the younger girl, paid 1400, and up to the room we went. For some reason, no sink to wash your dick in here, which I could not remember from before. I stripped, and she asked me to lay down on my stomach for a massage. This massage was pleasant enough, but after 15 minutes I was starting to wonder if this was some kind of scam. I thought I'd just wait and see what happens anyway. Worst case, I will be out 1400 and I can warn my fellow brothers here about it.

After about 20 minutes, she asked me to flip.

She then asked asked "BJ?" Which I after careful consideration nodded by consent to. She then asked "with condom?", which I with slightly less careful consideration said no to. This seemed to disappoint the little wench slightly.

Then she spent an extraordinary amount of tissue paper to clean, inspect, clean again, inspect again, my dick. I thought this is taking forever, and started to worry I would get some abrasions on my dick also, as the tissue used was not the softest. Finally she seemed to be satisfied, but then changed her mind, and did some more cleaning.

She then, in the end commenced licking my dick around the head, up and down, in a not wholy unattractive way, before finally putting the head in. Her skills at this turned out be pretty average unfortunately, lacking any depth. Literally.

At one point I tried to test the depth, but this action confused her, and she thought a volcano was about to erupt in her mouth. She quickly moved away, and suggested I COMOS (cum on my own stomach). I asked her why? She pointed at the inside of her gums, which showed possibly a small ulcer or two, of the type I myself sometimes get when I accidentally bite my lip while chewing on a particular succulent t-bone.

She proceeded to ask me to COMOS, rather than in her mouth. A question I didn't find worth of any response, so instead moved her head down to my balls.

This seemed to displease her for some reason, but I could not fully understand why.

My thai is hardly good for anything, except possibly saying "lets go to my room", or "not finished yet", but I'm not sure this girl was entirely thai either. I had more than my usual trouble understanding her. Possibly a hill tribe of some sort.

Anyway, I made another attempt at making her understand that I would at this point appreciate if she started licking my balls, as unlike the soi dogs outside, I am unable to do this myself. She again expressed her reluctance to this procedure.

At this point I, with some trouble, managed to convey to her the message that I would like to change girls. She asked me why? I said her service was not good.

This seemed to wake up some dormant pride in her, or fear of angering the mamasan downstairs, so she said "ok, ok, I will do". She did it, but I could feel her heart wasn't in it.

After a minute of that, I moved her head back on top my dick, and setting a decent rhythm by pushing her head up and down, made the feared volcano erupt in her mouth. Her instinct was to run away upon the first eruption, but I was prepared, and the strength built from my daily gym routine managed to hold her head in place until the eruptions had finished.

She this again cleaned my dick well, using the same sandpaper-like tissue. Upon walking down the stairs, she warned me to go slowly, and I think had me confused with brother Nyezhov, as she granddaughterly offered me her hand to help me down the stairs. Downstairs she also helped me put on my socks. The whole thing made me think of a fawlty towers variant of a japanese BJ bar. Like some tidbits of how things are done in Japan have been taught her, but there's no rhyme nor reason to it.

Upon exiting, my timing was such that at the same time a respectable family of four, two parents, a nubile 17-18 year old girl who might already be providing similar services to her school mates, and a young boy of the age where he probably has just started to grown an interest in services such as the one provided in the shop I had just exited, were walking down this small sub-soi.

If the father was a monger who had managed to choose what is possibly some type of hotel down the end of this soi, so that he will not have to walk far for service of the kind that is more difficult to get in his home town, and managed to convince his wife later on that he had no idea, my hats off to him. Unfortunately, I suspect it was more a case of accidentally booking the wrong hotel and the whole family, including the father, were all equally confused as to where they had ended up booking a hotel.

The day before, at Secret Kiss, I on the other hand had a perfectly decent BJ, though as usual a bit lacking in depth.

If anyone here has some pointers to girls currently working at BJ bars who both look attractive, and can deepthroat all the way down, do let me know.

[QUOTE=MattNL;3076379]Appreciate the advice. I'll be looking for many day trips and things to do during the day. I'll mainly keep the mongering for the evenings there. Curious how you all do it for dinner though? Is it normal to eat alone? Any good places to handle that solitude?[/QUOTE]On the weekend, visit the Chatuchuk market. Absolutely MASSIVE. BTS or MRT gets you there. On the MRT, don't use the Chatuchak [B]PARK[/B] station, exit at the Kamphaeng Phet Station. Its exit is in the market itself, near a good section (section 26 - antiques (I feel at home there)). Have been buying some unique souvenirs from Little Wings House, Section 25, for DECADES; MUST visit for me. Near there, for some refreshments and people watching, La Rumba Cafe, section 26. Try the nam-a-now soda (lime squash with soda water. Very refreshing in the heat). Took over the space, enlarging it, after the previous bar closed post covid. Again, must stop. Yea, there are other, "better" markets, but Chatuchak is an institution.

Check out [I]The Dusit Central Park SkyPark (also called Dusit Arun Park) is a free, 7-rai elevated rooftop garden located above the Dusit Central Park complex in Silom, offering panoramic views of Lumphini Park and the city skyline.[/I] Nice views, people watch. Drop by MTW (Meet The World), Patpong 2 (and the boo birds come out, giving THEIR opinion) after, for an interesting [I]afternoon delight[/I] experience - [I]rugby scrum[/I].

Check out any Foodland's restaurant, Took Lae Dee. Tables and lunch counter. The one on Suk Soi 5 has quite the [I]character[/I] at the lunch counter, any time of day. They make a great nam-a-now soda. Food, both European and Thai, decent (and some boo birds continue). Nobody will look twice at you anywhere if you're eating alone. Take the opportunity to people watch. Do miss the ole Soi 7 Bier Garden; RIP.

Experience the salt-tapping (Korean thing) body wash and massage at Sakura Akasuri & Massage, Sukhumvit 55, between soi's 4 and 6 (Thonglor BTS station) on an afternoon. Afterwards, you will NEVER feel cleaner. Then stumble on down to Foodland, block or two away, walking away from Suk, for a drink or snack.

Have forgotten the name of the 'burb down by the river, the old docks with old warehouses, now a bit of art district with some nice wall murals.

Ride the BTS, look out the windows. Some interesting architecture around. If you see an interesting area, stop at the next station, and wear out some boot leather.

Take a nap during the HEAT of the day, you might need it.

No disrespect to anyone else, but hanging around other mongers too long gives you a skewed perspective.

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Cheers, Bunky. Glad to see the "Navy" is still steaming...

[QUOTE=MattNL;3076379]Appreciate the advice. I'll be looking for many day trips and things to do during the day. I'll mainly keep the mongering for the evenings there. Curious how you all do it for dinner though? Is it normal to eat alone? Any good places to handle that solitude?[/QUOTE]I understand that we all have our mannerisms and preferences, but your questions have me thinking, where you're from is it abnormal to eat by yourself?

I had open heart surgery there 18? Years ago. Emergency: after the stress test and Angiogram the Dr says: "Mr Don you have 85% blockage left main coronary artery. You get on airplane, maybe you die. " Great experience with the care & am still alive. I'm thinking of getting my knees replaced. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=DonRoberts;3076976]I had open heart surgery there 18? Years ago. Emergency: after the stress test and Angiogram the Dr says: "Mr Don you have 85% blockage left main coronary artery. You get on airplane, maybe you die. " Great experience with the care & am still alive. I'm thinking of getting my knees replaced. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]No recent experience with Bumrungrad Hospital; did have a prostate biopsy about the same time as you. Last visited a year ago, but only to buy some &Ampersand ice cream in the lobby (they'd closed their shop up in Thong Lor). Definitely looking more modern and OVERRUN with foreigners at the entrance, lobby. No doubt THE foreign hub for medicine.

These days, I use Bangkok Hospital, near Suk Soi 55 across the canal. Bit less crowded, easier to get to. Have received great service just walking in when there was "problems", nothing major (walking pneumonia) and a bizarre episode with my eyes (fireworks. Seems when you get old, the ole eyeball "oil" shrinks, causing flashes). They checked my retinas, no problem, suggesting I see a specialist when I got home. One difference I did notice between Bumrungrad and Bangkok Hospital, when the doctor sent me to x-ray at Bangkok for the lungs, I was left to find it myself (with directions) rather than having my hand held by staff to lead me there.

Only posted to say there are other options for quality medical service.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;3076941]On the weekend, visit the Chatuchuk market. Absolutely MASSIVE. BTS or MRT gets you there. On the MRT, don't use the Chatuchak [B]PARK[/B] station, exit at the Kamphaeng Phet Station. Its exit is in the market itself, near a good section (section 26 - antiques (I feel at home there)). Have been buying some unique souvenirs from Little Wings House, Section 25, for DECADES; MUST visit for me. Near there, for some refreshments and people watching, La Rumba Cafe, section 26. Try the nam-a-now soda (lime squash with soda water. Very refreshing in the heat). Took over the space, enlarging it, after the previous bar closed post covid. Again, must stop. Yea, there are other, "better" markets, but Chatuchak is an institution.

Check out [I]The Dusit Central Park SkyPark (also called Dusit Arun Park) is a free, 7-rai elevated rooftop garden located above the Dusit Central Park complex in Silom, offering panoramic views of Lumphini Park and the city skyline.[/I] Nice views, people watch. Drop by MTW (Meet The World), Patpong 2 (and the boo birds come out, giving THEIR opinion) after, for an interesting [I]afternoon delight[/I] experience - [I]rugby scrum[/I]...[/QUOTE]OK but what about the pussy?

Are the red light districts going to be closed Wednesday and Thursday night. And I just arrived yesterday. Damnit

[QUOTE=Mitaban;3077084]Are the red light districts going to be closed Wednesday and Thursday night. And I just arrived yesterday. Damnit[/QUOTE]Yes, no alcohol sales allowed so no reason for them to be open. Some venues may open at midnight on Thursday.

[QUOTE=Pokler;3077068]OK but what about the pussy?[/QUOTE]OK, bit of a misquote in my reply, thinking about the "day trips". Was more responding to this post:

[QUOTE=MattNL;3076253]Hi Mates, I'm heading off to BK soon (20 days), and while I'm sure I can fill my time at night (partying) and mornings / early afternoon (gym), I'm struggling on what to do in the times in between. Some time I can fill with sightseeing, but especially having dinner's alone is something I dread tbh. So question to you fellow mongers out there; What do you do when alone in Thailand? Any easy way to socialize with other Monger's before we split?[/QUOTE]As to your question, simply reading the most recent 20 pages of Bangkok thread, BKK Massage Parlor threads, and some ROD's supplies plenty of info.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3077098]Yes, no alcohol sales allowed so no reason for them to be open. Some venues may open at midnight on Thursday.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3077098]Yes, no alcohol sales allowed so no reason for them to be open. Some venues may open at midnight on Thursday.[/QUOTE]Thai Friendly (an especially good option), The Street Standers, Massage Shops. [B]Does anyone really think you cannot buy head and pussy in Thailand 024/007/365[/B]?

Hi.

Even after reading many FRs, I still have some basic doubts as a first timer in Bangkok.

1. Some NURU massage parlors say Full service. With gelatin all over the body, how does Condom work in FS? Or does it mean without.

Condom?

2. When SOAP massage can result in FS, what is the need to go in search of girls in Bar? Are the bars cheaper or is it for.

Different experience?

3. Some massage websites clearly write prices for 2 shots and one shot. Hope they are legally ok.

4. If I am staying in reputed hotels like Novatel, Hyatt etc. Is it ok to take a local girl to the room? Do hotels object because.

I would have checked in as single?

Any other advice is greatly appreciated for a first timer like me. I am planning to spend 3-4 days in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Mitaban;3077084]Are the red light districts going to be closed Wednesday and Thursday night. And I just arrived yesterday. Damnit[/QUOTE]Thai Friendly and the street walkers are always open.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3077134]Thai Friendly and the street walkers are always open.[/QUOTE]Thermae will be outside instead of inside.

[QUOTE=DonRoberts;3076976]I had open heart surgery there 18? Years ago. Emergency: after the stress test and Angiogram the Dr says: "Mr Don you have 85% blockage left main coronary artery. You get on airplane, maybe you die. " Great experience with the care & am still alive. I'm thinking of getting my knees replaced. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]BNH. World class.

[QUOTE=Mitaban;3077084]Are the red light districts going to be closed Wednesday and Thursday night. And I just arrived yesterday. Damnit[/QUOTE]I was in Soi Cowboy yesterday. Multiple places will be open there. Both the girls and a mama san at Baccarat told me that they will still be open. Soi 11 and legit places will serve no alcohol. I suspect some places in Nana will be open too. The boys in brown need their envelopes.

Other places around the city will be open too but that requires more local research. Bangkok never fully closes. Even during Covid. You just need good sources (working girls usually knows).

[QUOTE=MattNL;3076253]Hi Mates, I'm heading off to BK soon (20 days), and while I'm sure I can fill my time at night (partying) and mornings / early afternoon (gym), I'm struggling on what to do in the times in between. Some time I can fill with sightseeing, but especially having dinner's alone is something I dread tbh. So question to you fellow mongers out there; What do you do when alone in Thailand? Any easy way to socialize with other Monger's before we split?[/QUOTE]Personally, after a week+ of steady mongering, I get bored, so take a break, and do some sightseeing.

1. Ayutthaya.

Day trip from BKK, but spending a night there (cheap hotel), gives you 2 days to meander. Rent a bike or just the ole boot leather.

2. Sukhothai.

Bit further afield, but a nice trip over several days. Definitely rent a bike. Slight detour on the way, stop for a couple of hours in Phitsanulok.

3. Kanchanaburi, Bridge on the River Kwai.

Van, bus, train gets you there. Small museum, wandering through the military cemetery, noting the dates on the tombstones - sacrifices, makes you grateful for your life. Sound-and-Light show I enjoyed. Long day trip.

4. Floating Market.

For a decade I studiously avoided, "tourist trap". But then a BG LT pull suggested we go see. Have to admit, it was fun and colorful.

5. The usual Grand Palace, Reclining Buddha, Wat Arun,

Wat Traimit: solid gold Buddha, for centuries hidden underneath plaster. No one knew until accidentally dropped during a relocation.

For temples, dress modestly. Long pants, short / long sleeve shirt, no tank tops.

6. Water taxi on the Chao Phraya River

Just jump on a boat, travel along, then off.

I always bought a Lonely Planet Guide to the destinations I'd visit, but I'm old, like my hardcopy.

In 20 days, you also might consider a short (couple of days) trip to Siem Reap, Cambodia, Angkor Wat (bucket list).

Gyms are "anywhere". Out-n-About, BOTG, for me, much more enjoyable.

BTW: I've met more people traveling alone than with others. A single traveler, more locals (non-scammers) willing to converse rather than [i]interrupting[/i] several, less intimidating for them (up-country). Easy to bump into other travelers when you're out and about.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;3077199]Personally, after a week+ of steady mongering, I get bored, so take a break, and do some sightseeing.

2. Sukhothai.
Bit further afield, but a nice trip over several days. Definitely rent a bike. Slight detour on the way, stop for a couple of hours in Phitsanulok.
[/QUOTE]Did you see whether mongering is available in Phitsanulok? Or were you only sighseeing?

I spend much of the winter in Chiang Mai, and have considered a side trip to Phitsanulok, easy to get to by train. Would be more fun if there are ladies to entertain me after sightseeing (of course).

Visiting Bangkok in 1st Week September. Looking for some great indies or WG who can accompany me for a couple of days in my room. Heading there for a corporate meeting. Would love to come back to a Thai woman waiting in my hotel room. Will not have the will to go monger out in the streets after spending the day in a a convention room. Help a bro out with some contacts. I have tried websites like TF, MR nothing over there that catches me eye yet. PM's are open.

[QUOTE=KevinsLounge;3077238]Help a bro out with some contacts. I have tried websites like TF, MR nothing over there that catches me eye yet. PM's are open.[/QUOTE]If you can't find something you fancy on TF I'd say the chances of anyone finding something you do fancy is very slim.

[QUOTE=WeingutFritz;3077175]I was in Soi Cowboy yesterday. Multiple places will be open there. Both the girls and a mama san at Baccarat told me that they will still be open. Soi 11 and legit places will serve no alcohol. I suspect some places in Nana will be open too. The boys in brown need their envelopes.

Other places around the city will be open too but that requires more local research. Bangkok never fully closes. Even during Covid. You just need good sources (working girls usually knows).[/QUOTE]Thanks. I am staying across the street from Soi Cowboy. I will go check it out tonight. Maybe they will start selling alcohol at midnight.

On the way home and we decided to stop over for a few nights in BKK. We usually spend the nights in Nana at either Billboard of Butterflies. My wingman had some numbers from two girls from Billboard and decided to reach out to them and make sure that they were still working. Both were, so he then had a decision to make about which one to take the first night. Life is hard! I also had a contact but decided that I would go and see if there was anything else that caught my eye. My wingman's girl was certainly a looker with a great body and pleasant personality. I had asked a couple of girls to drink me with over the hour I was in Billboard but neither showed any TLC or real interest to be bar fined. What I did notice was that the drinks were ordered a lot quicker than in the past and even my wingman's girl was ordering drinks quickly. I decided to leave and let my wingman take his girl back to the hotel. I walked past soi 7 and while there were a lot of girls, none really caught my eye. I did stop into a small bar on the way back to my hotel. What caught my eye was a few of the very attractive SYTs working in it, which I thought was very odd. I figured that they were hired to entice punters in and drain their cash for drinks. So I decided to just pop in for a drink and test it out. The girl I was with was very attractive and clearly had the intention of draining my cash. So after about 4 drinks I bluntly asked her if she went with punters. Although I got a yes, it was a half yes because she had made plans for the night and was not available. So I got her number and said I would meet her again tomorrow night. Now my intentions were really not to as I figured she was just a drinking girl. As I was very tired and a little drunk I decided to call it a night. In the morning I had a few messages from the girl asking if I still wanted her to come to my hotel that night. It was a surprise but while I was kicking myself I also was happy that I did not see the messages as I would have wasted the time and money with her being that I was tired and drunk. So I made plans to call her and meet her at the bar that night. Well the best laid plans sometimes get pleasantly derailed. In the afternoon I went to play pool in Nana with my wingman. In one of the pool bars we noticed a girl that was just my type. Well built, curvy with a cute face a lovely backside. Nice, real breasts as well. Now I normally do not take a girl in the afternoon because at my age two shots in the day are rare. Doing an afternoon shot means little action at night, however as we were leaving early the next day I decided to grab her. She was good fun and there was a connection that pricked my interest. My wingman had decided that the girl from the previous night was off his list as she was way too commercial and he just did not like the whole clock watching routine. She was not like that before but it seems to confirm what I observed at Billboard about drinks being pushed hard and fast. Attitude had changed. He decided to call the other girl for the night. Back in the hotel my girl did not disappoint. After a shower she revealed a very tidy, firm body with very nice breasts and lovely shaved pussy. She was a real performer too. Loved DATY, offered many positions while she played with her clit, covered BJ, DFK and got me to finish as well. A real GFE with a hint of PSE. WIR, hell yeah. Better performer than a lot of the gogo girls and nowhere near the cost. Got her number and will look her up on my return. Thankfully my wingman managed to hook up with the second girl who made him feel less like an ATM and more like a human. I did get a few messages from the SYT from the bar the night before wanting to hook up, however as I had already shot a load and was flying out the next morning very early, the chances of it being anything other than drinking and a quickie for a lot of money were too high and I was not up for it. Maybe I am getting too old or perhaps a little more wiser about those sort of girls?

So BKK was a very pleasant surprise. Look forward being back soon.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;3077234]Did you see whether mongering is available in Phitsanulok? Or were you only sighseeing?

I spend much of the winter in Chiang Mai, and have considered a side trip to Phitsanulok, easy to get to by train. Would be more fun if there are ladies to entertain me after sightseeing (of course).[/QUOTE]No, for all the places I mentioned, strictly [I]tourist[/I] mode, cleansing the palate as it were.

Stopped by this well respected BJ bar next to Asoke, down the same soi as Wonder. Had some ok looking women out front, including the one I chose, Koi. Around 35 I guess, and if going through the sex shops on e. G. Soi 33, you will see worse looking than her, so not bad for this lower cost BJ bar.

Pointed at Koi, in we went and up to the rooms, where she gave me a wash. After that started BJ-ing on her knees, before I sat down on the chair to let her continue. Sucked dick, licked balls, licked ass. Couldn't go all the way down, but did not object to me trying several times. Ended up face fucking her till I finished in her mouth, washed up, paid the 800 requested downstairs, and gave her the 200 left over as a tip for perhaps not being the easiest customer with the attempts at deepthroat and face fucking, but what do I know.

She has a small frame, but big boobs. Wasn't sure why she did not take of her top to promote them, so after a while, I asked her to take it off, and started pulling her top off. Unfortunately then saw they were fake boobs, so didn't bother continuing pulling the top off. For those who don't mind that, they felt good and from what I could see, looked well made, and she herself, apart from the fake boobs, looks good enough to fuck also.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3077333]Stopped by this well respected BJ bar next to Asoke, down the same soi as Wonder. Had some ok looking women out front, including the one I chose, Koi. Around 35 I guess, and if going through the sex shops on e. G. Soi 33, you will see worse looking than her, so not bad for this lower cost BJ bar.

Pointed at Koi, in we went and up to the rooms, where she gave me a wash. After that started BJ-ing on her knees, before I sat down on the chair to let her continue. Sucked dick, licked balls, licked ass. Couldn't go all the way down, but did not object to me trying several times. Ended up face fucking her till I finished in her mouth, washed up, paid the 800 requested downstairs, and gave her the 200 left over as a tip for perhaps not being the easiest customer with the attempts at deepthroat and face fucking, but what do I know.

She has a small frame, but big boobs. Wasn't sure why she did not take of her top to promote them, so after a while, I asked her to take it off, and started pulling her top off. Unfortunately then saw they were fake boobs, so didn't bother continuing pulling the top off. For those who don't mind that, they felt good and from what I could see, looked well made, and she herself, apart from the fake boobs, looks good enough to fuck also.[/QUOTE]Finally some worthwhile intelligence? By OK looking, do you mean in the normal sense or non monstrous like in the other BJ bars.

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;3077234]Did you see whether mongering is available in Phitsanulok? Or were you only sighseeing?

I spend much of the winter in Chiang Mai, and have considered a side trip to Phitsanulok, easy to get to by train. Would be more fun if there are ladies to entertain me after sightseeing (of course).[/QUOTE]I mongered there and remember it was fun, but probably 12 years ago. That's where the phra buddha chinnawat is, fabulous sight.

[QUOTE=Mitaban;3077287]Thanks. I am staying across the street from Soi Cowboy. I will go check it out tonight. Maybe they will start selling alcohol at midnight.[/QUOTE]Hope you got lucky. Plenty of places should be open. I was out last night with a local freelancer. She was getting texts from Mixx saying they were open as normal. Climax in soi 11 apparently too. It's all about who pays what to the police. And as long as it is not too much out in the open, there will be a party. It's Bangkok.

This report is dated 3 months back, very sorry folks for not reporting earlier. Life got in my way. And it's long due. 1st time heading to the 'Land of the Free', the literal meaning of 'Thailand'. True to it's meaning for sure. 23rd April morning I reached by 7 am, the check-in is at 12, so spent much time in the airport. Started going through my notes and shortlisting while waiting. The problem of plenty is massive here. With so many options, RTFF here, google, so much to do. It's a daunting task. Pinged few seniors for asking for leads, whoever replied 'dude go through and explore you don't need a lead'. I didn't take it at that time, man at the end of the trip, I would say the same thing to another newbie heading to Thailand.

23rd April.

'7-Heaven' - BJ Bar.

So checked in near to nana plaza, it was a 5 minute walk to nana plaza. Settled down and explored the area had lunch. I wanted to buy local sim and survey the area of food and 7 eleven shops, there are plenty of both. I thought somehow I can get a local sim (not the tourist sim that sell in airport), but 7 eleven stopped selling those. You have to go to the sim providers official branch to get one non tourist sim. At last ended up buying the tourist sim itself in 7 eleven as the sim provider branch is little far away. Nana gets it business by 12 pm itself you can find freelancers from that time itself, and called upon when you walk by. Those who are been to Bkk or Thailand this could be quite common for them, but this is the 1st time am experiencing this. After surveying came back to room and started reading and in line app, I started messaging. Few places I pinged the selected girls were not available. Then I decided I can't end the day without nutting in bkk, it's a shame, and choose a blow job bar which was high rated by others '7-Heaven'. In line app they send girls available, the faces were blurred. Choose girl named 'CAT'. 1300 40 minutes. Small neat and clean place. They show the girls there in ipad tab. When I asked can I see them, they denied only photos to be seen. I took the bite. The girl was close to the photo, but not exact like in the photo. What I can say is the photo was taken a few years back, now in real she has put up some weight, but in the right areas. I undress fully, but the girl only undress top, bottom in panties covered with see-through scarf. She has nice natural boobs. Can only touch the boobs, no kissing, no FS, no sucking boobs too. She kissed licked and sucked my nipple, it was erotic and hot, and the blow job is simply amazing. And she tries to finish as fast as possible, cummed in her mouth, tipped her 100 bhat and left for dinner. The blowjob is amazing. Will definitely will come back.

Damage: 1300 bhat.

2 girls option at 2500 bhat, if one can't kiss what's the point of having 2 girls?

Time:40 minutes (1 shot).

Repeat: yes.

24th April.

Bonita at Soi 33.

Here in forum someone mentioned Bonita at Soi 33 - wawa best nuru petite, face but not pretty to me. Everyone mileage varies, but lemon in website looks pretty but no Nuru mentioned and she was not available too. Meji girl looks tall cute. Booked her for around 2 pm. Took bolt bike ride. It's on the same street to 7-Heaven this soi 33 is golden place. So many places and so many good girls, I read somewhere many were owned by one person or company. Anyways Meji looks bit different from the pic, I mean this is quite the case pretty much anywhere not only in thailand I guess. They photoshop with filter to make the nose perfect and they look different. But Meji is tall and hot. I took for 1 hour nuru massage. Meji came and started directly with handjob. I have never ever had a nuru massage before. I came here to experience what is to have a nuru massage, but I have read many reports about how they apply the gel all over the body. And here nothing such, I was like wtf. I told her apply the gel and do body to body. Then she started doing that. Then I tried to kiss her when she was rubbing her boobs on my chest, she just pecked on my lips and went down. I asked no kiss?. She was like only little. What the hell, I paid for I was thinking. Every stage it was like I have to tell her how to do massage, I asked her are you new here. She told yes. Can't blame anyone. Her blowjob was also not great. Ok I don't want to get pissed any more. I like face fucking, so I stood up and told her to go down kneeling, put her back to the bed side and started face fucking her, at least she took that well. Not sure she took it with surprise and I don't want to argue over cum in mouth too, I face fucked and took it out and cummed on her FAKE boobs, yes that I didn't tell she got fake boobs, and it was very obvious fake you know what I mean. I came out 30 minutes left, the manager was asking 'is all ok?' like I came out soon. I did't tell anything to the manager, could have, don't want to spoil a girl's livelihood. Regarding the fake boobs, yesterday cat had amazing natural boobs. I know few here are like 'boobs are boobs', but am a natural boobs guy. Later after few days I came to know the fake boobs is like wild fire here, it's quite tough to find a girl with natural boobs in the massage scene.

Repeat: No.

The disappointed day ended well, there is more to this day. . Ctnued.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3077354]Finally some worthwhile intelligence? By OK looking, do you mean in the normal sense or non monstrous like in the other BJ bars.[/QUOTE]In the normal sense, for a 35 year old woman.

If you want younger and better looking, I recommend Secret Kiss. They tell you to choose from ipad, but unlike the scam shops, there is never any problem in pointing at the ipad photo, and then asking to see her in person. The unfortunate girl will then make a brief appearance for you in the reception. If not to one's liking, point at another girl on the ipad and ask to see her.

Thermae.

Have heard about Thermae Cafe a lot. So decided to head there. When RTFF I came to know that by 9. 30 pm freelancers who has a day job finish and come there for a quick money before going home, so 9. 30 is the peak time where hot girls taken away, and before closing time that is 2 am, so if we go by 1 am you can see big drop in prices and quality too, luckily if it's your day you can hit a 10/10 girl for good price. So based on that I headed there by 9. 30 pm. Got the mandatory drink and there was literally very less men at that time, and there were these girls lined up on both the sides. And it happened to be only me walking at that moment, there were really really young and hot girls. The moment that around 50 girls looking at you, very first time in my life I felt shy because so many girls looking at you. Now I feel how a girl feels when a group of men we look and stare at them. Thanks Bkk for giving this feeling. I think no where in the world you can feel this. Felt different. I can see some really young girls with big boobs and booty were there. There were 4 tables around to sit, sat there and after sometime making few rounds. Spoke to few asking for the price. It's how it is already quoted here. 3000 to 4000 1 shot for really cute hot young girls. Yes you can get for lesser for ordinary girls. But as it's quoted here young hot girls deny BBJ they do only condom BJ. And I have read here about starfish performance. So I decided not to ruin the day with another disappointment. And left the place. I was walking towards nana.

Wood-Bar. BJ bar.

I was going through my shortlisted list of other places. Thought I can go to 7-Heaven again, but it is already 11:00 pm, they close by 11:30 pm. Then I came across wood-bar, another rated BJ bar. And I have read 'G' at Wood bar is a deep throat specialist. Went there the girls were lined up, unlike 7-Heaven. I asked for G, but she had left for the day. I was given another girl I don't remember her name saying she is also a deepthroat specialist. The girl is little on the plumb side not great looking, I went for it, as it's just a BJ anyway. The separated cabins were not clean like 7-Heaven, there were visible dirtiness. But went ahead with as I had paid. The girl she really did a great BJ deepthroated sucked the hell out of the dick. And she liked me more seems started licking kissing me all over. She herself gave her number and told I can boom boom with her and her friend. I tipped her and came back. I came back to nana area where I stay near by. I can find freelances whole street in all types.

Damage: 800.

Repeat: No, for the cleanliness (your mileage may vary).

Turkish-Russian:

I was having some problem with my dual sim and Thailand sim I was waiting near by a tattoo shop and going through my phone. Suddenly a beautiful girl came to me asked, boom boom 1500. She is for sure not Thai, she is hot. I glanced she has good shape and big boobs too. I told her I just had boom boom, not today, may be tomorrow. She replied am lying and went near the tattoo shop and was watching live someone being tattooed. I went to her again, give me your line ID or WhatsApp let me text you tomorrow we can catch up. She didn't respond after few minutes she shared her WhatsApp Qr code, the number country code is Russian. I guessed it. She is Russian. OMG! I have RTFF that Russians are very expensive here and quote 10000 THB. So I never had a plan to even look for Russians. Even though I like Russians / Ukrainians, eastern European girls are my top favorites. This is gold, this is bkk, it surprises you. A Russian hot girl for 1500. No way man, I thought I hit jackpot. !

25th April.

Jelly Pop Spa soi 33 - Nuru.

I texted the Russian girl in the morning. No reply at all until 3 pm. I got frustrated and started looking my other options. The nuru experience is still not ticked. I read here Ujin from Jspot gave good nuru, true to what really means nuru. Hence booked her, but I was told she moved to Jelly Pop Spa from Jspot, both are near by. And there are other hot girls sitting outside. Ujin herself is hot little girl but her english is very limited she though tries very hard to communicate. The girl is stunning no doubt, except boobs were small and hanging, bit disappointed in that. Hence I decided from that time to take my own judgement call and rather not take the forum reports exactly, as everyone has different preference and everyone's mileage varies. But coming to the nuru, man she did amazingly well. She poured her hot nuru gel in her mouth and licked every bit of my body from top to bottom. Slid her pussy thorough out the body. I took the jacuzzi added with a discount. They agreed. Did amazing blowjob, did rimming and came in her mouth. It was blissful nuru session. When I finished and came out it was 5 pm, got reply from Russian. I am someone need sometime to recoil for the next session. So I didn't reply her at that time, later I texted her by night 11 pm, she didn't read my message at all. I just went in to nana plaza to check the vibe, oh boy the toplesss girls in the bars, we can peek through. I am kind of skeptical to pay for lady drink, then bar fine, then for the girl, to end up with mediocre service. Am ready to pay all these, just that always scared of the girl whom I pick end up doing pretty crappy service. In that way I stayed away, thinking will revisit later some day. It's one experience for sure. Before ending the day I texted the Russian to meet up tomorrow evening, as I understood she wakes up very late and replies messages around 3 to 5 pm.

Repeat: for Nuru sure.

Can try out other girls too.

[QUOTE=PyramidMayBe;3077418]25th April.

Jelly Pop Spa soi 33 - Nuru.

I texted the Russian girl in the morning. No reply at all until 3 pm. I got frustrated and started looking my other options. The nuru experience is still not ticked. I read here Ujin from Jspot gave good nuru, true to what really means nuru. Hence booked her, but I was told she moved to Jelly Pop Spa from Jspot, both are near by. And there are other hot girls sitting outside. Ujin herself is hot little girl but her english is very limited she though tries very hard to communicate. The girl is stunning no doubt, except boobs were small and hanging, bit disappointed in that. Hence I decided from that time to take my own judgement call and rather not take the forum reports exactly, as everyone has different preference and everyone's mileage varies. But coming to the nuru, man she did amazingly well. She poured her hot nuru gel in her mouth and licked every bit of my body from top to bottom. Slid her pussy thorough out the body. I took the jacuzzi added with a discount. They agreed. Did amazing blowjob, did rimming and came in her mouth. It was blissful nuru session. When I finished and came out it was 5 pm, got reply from Russian. I am someone need sometime to recoil for the next session. So I didn't reply her at that time, later I texted her by night 11 pm, she didn't read my message at all. I just went in to nana plaza to check the vibe, oh boy the toplesss girls in the bars, we can peek through. I am kind of skeptical to pay for lady drink, then bar fine, then for the girl, to end up with mediocre service. Am ready to pay all these, just that always scared of the girl whom I pick end up doing pretty crappy service. In that way I stayed away, thinking will revisit later some day. It's one experience for sure. Before ending the day I texted the Russian to meet up tomorrow evening, as I understood she wakes up very late and replies messages around 3 to 5 pm.

Repeat: for Nuru sure.

Can try out other girls too.[/QUOTE]How long and how many shots?

[QUOTE=TConor;3077440]How long and how many shots?[/QUOTE]Jelly Pop Nuru.

40 min 3100 be.

60 min 3500 be.

70 min 3700 be.

90 min 4100 be.

Prostrate massage, 2 lady options all are there.

I took 70 min and asked Jacuzzi extra (500 B).

All 1 shot, extra shot +1000 be. There are more options, if you contact their Line ID: jellypopbkk. They will send the menu.

26th April.

So I guess can meet the Russian by evening or night, I thought I can windup a session in the noon. Was going through the Jspot spa where yujin worked earlier. There were really hot girls here. There was this Sofia it was explicitly mentioned big natural boobs, That caught my eyes, her face is ok, not bad at all, her boobs were quite big. . So I called them, they said she is booked and not available, I told is she available for now, manager told the time is less if you can reach in another 10 to 15 minutes may be, as someone else booked. So I went there and asked for her whether I can see her, she is hot with real big boobs and young too. There were other girls who were smiling at me, worth checking them too. I took 30 minutes session. Service the girl did everything amazing, her English is decent. She kissed, sucked very well. I sucked her boobs well and finished in her mouth. Her massage is also good. Good day to start with.

Damage: Standard 40 min 2200 be - 1 shot.

Repeat: Yes.

Turkish-Russian.

As I Guessed I got a text from Russian around 3 pm agreeing to meet around 7 to 8 pm, suits me well to recoil. I was waiting for her in my hotel room. She came in a jeans and top and she looked stunning. She made sure whether am alone. She had brought food for her. She shared with me. I asked her about her Russian number. She told her father is Russian and mother is Turkish. Then she showered and came and opened the towel, my good those boobs were amazingly Perkish and big and pink nipples. And she told me suck those I don't know man for 10 minutes may be, she gets turned on so much. The fore play alone lasted for 20 to 30 minutes, I fingered her and she was wet like rain inside. Typing this itself makes me to relive those moments. Kissing, foreplay oh then she started sucking my dick, fucked her in missionary, then doggy, then again in missionary (with condom). She was so into and started pulling my hair and hugging tight. I think she is not a pro pro. A semi pro like. She has come here to meet her friend she said and going back in 3 days. She for sure don't know the asking rate for Russians in Bkk. She came to the nana street and found other Thai girls quoting 1000 -1500 on the street, and she took that price. She for sure don't know her worth. Unbelievable BKK!

27th April.

Work-7-Heaven repeat.

Had some official work so couldn't go out. At last don't want to waste a day not nutting, so directly went to 7 - Heaven. Cat was not there. Took Ann, cute girl small boobs. She did wonderful BJ. Ann is young and nice smooth skin. 7-Heaven became my backup place for nutting.

28th April.

Pixies massage /7-Heaven.

Read some good reviews about pixies massage. Went there the line up is not good as others are busy, there is one plump girl I choose her for 1 hour. She couldn't do proper BJ even. She was doing very sloppy and it was a pathetic service, but they upgraded me to VIP room though.

With frustration directly went to 7-heaven again not to end up with blue balls. Took a girl named Masaya, found her not cute. They allow change of girl once, changed to another girl named Daoo, she was ok, with fake boobs, under boob marking. One tip guys unlike in wood bar where for blowjob they have a chair, here in 7-heaven it is bed to lie down. When lying down and the girl giving BJ, we can't reach her boobs, so I use to lie down slant keeping the pillow on my back, not on head so that my upper body is in slope. So that I can reach out. They should have a chair option too. Daoo was ok nutted and left to overcome the pixies massage.

Damage: 2800 be - 1 hour - 1 shot.

Repeat: not the same girl. Other girls may be good.

Jspot - evening
When i went to Jspot before for Sofia, had eyes on a girl called Natty , she was smiling a lot at me, looked pretty good face and body. Thinking about her went there, she was sick and not available & Sofia is off day. Another girl pun pun was available she was ok. very slim small boobs with perky nipples. What i like her about is the way she reacts when you suck her nipples or kiss near ear. I kinda liked how she reacts. it turns her on so much, it was super cute. girl has some pimple marks on face and has low self esteem. but she is a spinner. whoever likes a spinner will love her. Took pun pun line id and left.

Damage: Standard 40 min 2200 B - 1 shot.

29th April.

Jspot. Sofia Repeat.

I texted pun pun she told she can come to my place, later no message. All these girls wake up late applies for all working girls obviously. Since didn't get reply until evening I booked Sofia natural boobs again. It was amazing session as expected. Took Sofia's Line ID too.

30th April.

Jspot.

Pun pun said she is coming morning as it's her off day. Good petite perky boobs spinner with a shyness. Enjoyed her to my heart's content. Gave her 1500. She left happily. I wanted to smoke Jack herrer strain, been searching for it for long. But got mary jane instead, there is smoking place in the 1st floor. Met few good guys from Columbia who were also smoking. Came back at around 11 pm lots of working girls in that strip as usual in soi 4 alley Novotel hotel, Infront of all these hotels you get called and you can choose.

1st May.

Secret kiss / 7-Heaven.

I thought of trying secretkissbkk in soi 23, as it's also listed as BJ for 1300. By the time you guys must be wondering, yes I do like BJ a lot, a lot more than having sex too. To my bad luck when I went there all are busy, and finally went again to Cat of 7-Heaven.

The soi 33 is full of places to explore, I see fox33,666 class, sena, Chariman, drake luxury lounge, all hot girls sitting outside, due to the heat you can see them sitting outside during the evening and it is the time they are busy too. I went to Fox 33 , I had a eyes on a girl looked like a model few days earlier. But I went in she was not in the line up, I asked if they have a menu so that I can spot the girl who is not here. They don't have a ipad menu either.

Secretkiss, fox 33, 666 class on next time bucket list.

2nd May.

Pattaya Gentle Man's Club.

I had planned to go to Pattaya and explore the scene, left the morning so that I can reach by noon, but it was a long weekend as 1st May holiday too much traffic and I reached by 4 pm evening. Took a hotel exactly in walking street opposite to Lucifer.

I was using Thai friendly even before reaching Bangkok with paid subscription as recommended here by most. I found few good, I use to get around 5 likes every day. As other things were more interesting in Bkk didn't try to explore further Thai Friendly in Bkk. Where as when I reached Pattaya, I was getting a like every minute, to the extent it became annoying that i have to mute now and then. Thai friendly here in Pattaya hits different.

I couldn't manage the incoming messages in Thai friendly. There are lot of freelancers in Pattaya than bkk. They call themselves in text I 'freelance'. Thailand do make you feel like king. Never ever got these many message from any app anywhere I have used. Never could imagine how a pretty girl feels getting messages from many guys. Pattaya makes you feel the same as a man. It's a special feel to be honest to feel as a center of attraction.

As I said earlier go go bars paying so much and not sure of what service you will get I didn't try. But I wanted to try at least one to feel the experience. When I went to Shark Go Go club the security told 2000 bhat entry fees. Not sure if that was intentional. I didn't mind. I went to Heaven Above. It was an amazing experience. 3 to 4 tables girls were dancing on topless. I ordered a drink. A lady came and sat on my lap. She removed her bra and took my hand and told to press her boobs. Which was amazing to experience do in front of every others openly. Bought her a lady drink. Until she finished I was caressing her boobs which was quite huge and perky nipples, not young she is around 35 for sure. I didn't have plans to take any one from there for any session. Just want to experience what a Gentleman's club feels like. When coming back I went through the infamous soi 6. Oh my god it's true that every one will like some girl from that street. So many options, the problem of plenty is very true here. I just walked looking at. I was grabbed by few, one said I smelled nice. I moved on. Next time to Thailand will have to try a go go bar, soi 6 for sure. One trip is never enough for Thailand.

Go go bar, soi 6 Next time bucket list.

[QUOTE=PyramidMayBe;3077492] When I went to Shark Go Go club the security told 2000 bhat entry fees. Not sure if that was intentional.

Go go bar, soi 6 Next time bucket list[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you're Indian (or darker skinned). You may have issues gaining access to some of the top gogo bars on Pattaya Walking Street if that's the case.

3rd May.

Pattaya / Thai-Friendly. Jackpot! - 18 year Old!

Around 50 girls send me messages. After weeding out what I like, around 20 girls. I texted one by one. I messaged a girl for meet up and then to decide. She agreed. She was near a bar near to walking street. Went to meet to her. Her photos in Thai-friendly is many years back. Now she is fat and wearing a xl t-shirt and shorts to hide it. Felt nowhere attractive at all. Gave a handshake and told her will let her know. Then came back room and started texting other girls.

The usual routine is to immediately ask for WhatsApp number and negotiate in WhatsApp, and don't negotiate in Thai friendly itself. I told them either video call / or meetup to decide. Also confirmed if Blowjob without condom is part of the package. The rates were around for 1000/1500 thb for 1 hour. Many girls when I said about video call either they didn't agree or they didn't do. Out of them 5 girls did video call. 3 were good. 1 was little fat. 2 was lean. 1 girl was mentioned 18 years old. And she didn't send her WhatsApp number for a long time. Though I liked the other 2 girls who are quite same as the photos. The 18 year old was looking not at all like Thai She was looking like a foreigner. So I was just waiting for her to respond. I pinged her asking for number, she replied.

Agreed for video call she looked the same. She was little plump than the photos, but not much. She was lying down and did video call, I asked her to show her full body to see the if she has any belly, she is in good shape and I agreed for her quote of 1500 per hour. She told she is living far away from main Pattaya and it will take 30 minutes to reach. And asked for cab charges I told am ok I can pay including that you can start.

I actually didn't believe the 18 year old, I thought may be a bait. But the girl looked fine to my taste and hence I went with it.

And that's when she asked me is it ok for the hotel they accept ID of 18 years?. That's when I came to know it is real. OMG she is just 18 , never in life had a girl of 18 years of age in my life. My heart was beating fast. I replied 18 is legal and so it won't be problem I guess. You can show your ID and come to room.

She reached directly to hotel around 5 pm, she was stunning in a white mini frock. Absolutely stunning. She didn't look like the typical Thai girl at all. I was having an office meeting which I was winding up. Once I finished she asked me if I Have drinks. I said no not in my room. But we can get from 7 eleven just below. We both went out and bought vodka, her choice and snacks and stuff. And I started to have a feel that this day is going to get better.

Back in the room when we started to have drinks. When she went for vodka I asked whether she is Russian. She told her father is Canadian Russian ancestor and mother is Thai, and her father left her mother for another woman. She told me She just had breakup with her Thai-boyfriend, because he beats her, shitty guy who beats a woman. She told he is in to drugs and all. She showed the photos of her bruise. And she moved out of his place. And am the 1st customer, what the hell. Ok I was excited as well as worried. I made sure hope her boy friend doesn't know where she came, or if he sees us when we go out. I don't want to get beaten up by a mad boy friend. Not worth the thrill. She made sure that he doesn't come this side and we are safe. Relieved.

Had a few drinks and started kissing her. She was in her 2 piece, gorgeous, tender, so soft, is that just because she is 18 she is soft or I don't know. But she is delicious. She was saying she use to have a dummy ID-photoshopped that shows 20 years and use to go to clubs around. But she lost it and she can't go to any club in the walking street anymore she told.

We started listening to music. And suddenly it was around 7 pm she told me she has to be at somewhere else at 8. 30 pm. I was like what?. She told it's another customer. We didn't even start yet I asked, then why did you buy so much vodka. It's my mistake I didn't upfront speak about the timings, she actually overstayed more than an hour already only the deed is not happened yet. She told let's get to the act. And she did suck well and fucked her brains out, tender soft delicious babe. And it was around 8 pm and she started getting ready. I was like wait, how much you charge for full night I asked. She said 3000 THB. I told cancel that other guy, tell him you will meet him tomorrow. I pay you 4000 THB. Stay for the night. She was like really. But I promised the other guy. Try telling him and he may accept. Luckily that guy was ok, she is also happy to stay. The night got better.

We were drinking again and listening music. I told let's hit to walking street simply we will walk, as she can't go to any clubs inside because of the ID. We both started walking both holding hands. The funny part was those standing outside the bars upon seeing me with this girl everyone of them started making comments on us. And they started pulling my hand in to the bar. One guy asked her which country she is from. Another guy came and tapped my shoulder and nodded his head like acknowledging my selection. Pure men will be men vibes.

We came back to the room and started drinking again. And she was upset that she couldn't go to the clubs. I asked her to send her ID in WhatsApp, let me see what I can do. She shared am good at those have edited many, and in 40 minutes I was able to make it look like 22 year old. Thai ID has Their own Thai calendar year also. She was amazed at how I could do it look like exactly original. And let's hit the clubs. It was super fun from here. We went to 3 clubs drank and danced there, took videos. She was completely in to me. She was holding my hand and leading me in front, got many eyes on her of course. Again we met those guys in front of the bars they started making fun and laughing at us as we were not walking properly as we were high. Came back to room Both were high and fucked her in every way possible with condom Of course and slept naked. Best way to end the Thailand Trip. Next day she texted and thanked me for the night we had and said she missed me. I had the best ever night. Thailand is full of surprises.

Day 12/13 had official work. Day 14 back to bkk visited 7-Heaven for a quick BJ and left for airport.

Great FRs. Looks like you had good fun and enjoyed your trip. Finding a gem is even better.

[QUOTE=PyramidMayBe;3077548]Back in the room when we started to have drinks. When she went for vodka I asked whether she is Russian. She told her father is Canadian Russian ancestor and mother is Thai, and her father left her mother for another woman. She told me She just had breakup with her Thai-boyfriend, because he beats her, shitty guy who beats a woman. She told he is in to drugs and all. She showed the photos of her bruise. And she moved out of his place. And am the 1st customer, what the hell. Ok I was excited as well as worried. I made sure hope her boy friend doesn't know where she came, or if he sees us when we go out. I don't want to get beaten up by a mad boy friend. Not worth the thrill. She made sure that he doesn't come this side and we are safe. Relieved.

Had a few drinks and started kissing her. She was in her 2 piece, gorgeous, tender, so soft, is that just because she is 18 she is soft or I don't know. But she is delicious. She was saying she use to have a dummy ID-photoshopped that shows 20 years and use to go to clubs around. But she lost it and she can't go to any club in the walking street anymore she told.

We started listening to music. And suddenly it was around 7 pm she told me she has to be at somewhere else at 8. 30 pm. I was like what?. She told it's another customer. We didn't even start yet I asked, then why did you buy so much vodka. It's my mistake I didn't upfront speak about the timings, she actually overstayed more than an hour already only the deed is not happened yet. She told let's get to the act. And she did suck well and fucked her brains out, tender soft delicious babe. And it was around 8 pm and she started getting ready. I was like wait, how much you charge for full night I asked. She said 3000 THB. I told cancel that other guy, tell him you will meet him tomorrow. I pay you 4000 THB. Stay for the night. She was like really. But I promised the other guy. Try telling him and he may accept. Luckily that guy was ok, she is also happy to stay. The night got better.

We were drinking again and listening music. I told let's hit to walking street simply we will walk, as she can't go to any clubs inside because of the ID. We both started walking both holding hands. The funny part was those standing outside the bars upon seeing me with this girl everyone of them started making comments on us. And they started pulling my hand in to the bar. One guy asked her which country she is from. Another guy came and tapped my shoulder and nodded his head like acknowledging my selection. Pure men will be men vibes.

We came back to the room and started drinking again. And she was upset that she couldn't go to the clubs. I asked her to send her ID in WhatsApp, let me see what I can do. She shared am good at those have edited many, and in 40 minutes I was able to make it look like 22 year old. Thai ID has Their own Thai calendar year also. She was amazed at how I could do it look like exactly original. And let's hit the clubs. It was super fun from here. We went to 3 clubs drank and danced there, took videos. She was completely in to me. She was holding my hand and leading me in front, got many eyes on her of course. Again we met those guys in front of the bars they started making fun and laughing at us as we were not walking properly as we were high. Came back to room Both were high and fucked her in every way possible with condom Of course and slept naked. Best way to end the Thailand Trip. Next day she texted and thanked me for the night we had and said she missed me. I had the best ever night. Thailand is full of surprises.

Day 12/13 had official work. Day 14 back to bkk visited 7-Heaven for a quick BJ and left for airport.[/QUOTE]

Well, I have officially been in Bangkok for the first two days. Not much has changed since my last trip.

Day 1, I got the itch and decided to head over to Lolitas on Sukhumvit Soi 8. I walked in around 10:30 AM, and there were only two girls working. Both were probably in their 30's, average-looking, and not bad by any means. I picked the one I found more attractive, and we headed upstairs.

The session started with me sitting on one of the red couches behind a curtain. I took my pants off and waited while she grabbed her supplies. When she came back, she started with some oil and then got to work. The service was excellent, with plenty of attention to detail and some surprisingly enthusiastic deep-throating. It didn't take long before I finished. She laughed because it was apparently more cum than she expected, and I just shrugged and laughed along. I went downstairs, paid the 800 baht, left a 200 baht tip, and was on my way.

Later that day, I did some exploring, checked out a couple of weed shops, and had lunch at a Thai restaurant I hadn't tried before.

Around 6 PM, I went to see BB from "Magic Hands" on Massage Republic because I noticed she offered prostate massage and wanted to sample her offerings.

She was in her mid-30's with a cute face, short, curvy, and around a B/C cup. The only downside was a little baby damage, but nothing major. She was definitely the woman from the photos.

One thing that caught me off guard was that she began with a full explanation of the gloves and the massage process, even though I already knew how it worked. After that, the massage itself was good. The prostate massage was enjoyable, though not the best I've ever had.

The biggest surprise was that, during the prostate portion, she unwrapped a condom and immediately began a CBJ. Don't get me wrong, her BJ skills themselvse were decent and I had no idea that was part of the session, but I fucking hate CBJ. Since it was a unexpected, I wasn't sure whether to protest or not. But since it was a surprise I said fuck it, and let it go.

She was also a bit more talkative than I prefer. She kept switching between broken English and Thai, so I honestly had no idea what she was saying most of the time. I just smiled, nodded, and agreed. At one point I couldn't even tell if she was telling me to hurry up because she was getting tired or if she was just making conversation.

Eventually she finished me off, cleaned everything up, and I jumped in the shower. I paid the 2,500 baht for the 90-minute session and headed out.

Later that night, I got the urge again and ended up at good old WoodBar around 10 PM. As expected, most of the girls were 30+, and there weren't really any stand-out knockouts, but that doesn't matter much to me for this type of thing.

I walked in, and the Line-up from outside quickly followed. I asked the papa-san if anyone there could Face fuck, and he assured me everyone was an expert. I picked a girl I found attractive enough, and we headed upstairs.

After the usual front-and-back wash at the basin, we got started. She was fairly chatty, but I didn't mind. The service was nice and sensual, with plenty of attention to the balls throughout.

I asked if I could face fuck her, and she agreed. The only drawback was that whenever I tried to go deeper, she'd subtly reposition or pull back just enough to keep me from doing it the way I wanted. So I'm not sure I'd really call pumping my dick in and out of her lips face fucking. Maybe someone can recommend a girl there who can actually do it right.

The session ended with a hand finish, and I was out the door. Total was 1,000 baht.

I'll report more later. I had another prostate massage today, and later tonight I have a condo date with a civilian (non-pro) that I met previously on ThaiFriendly. Hopefully that one goes well.

[QUOTE=AsianGeek;3077573]Great FRs. Looks like you had good fun and enjoyed your trip. Finding a gem is even better.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Yes it was one hell of a trip. Didn't expect to turnout this better.

[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3077725]Well, I have officially been in Bangkok for the first two days. Not much has changed since my last trip.

Day 1, I got the itch and decided to head over to Lolitas on Sukhumvit Soi 8. I walked in around 10:30 AM, and there were only two girls working. Both were probably in their 30's, average-looking, and not bad by any means. I picked the one I found more attractive, and we headed upstairs.

The session started with me sitting on one of the red couches behind a curtain. I took my pants off and waited while she grabbed her supplies. When she came back, she started with some oil and then got to work. The service was excellent, with plenty of attention to detail and some surprisingly enthusiastic deep-throating. It didn't take long before I finished..[/QUOTE]One of the first things addressed on BB's profile is that blowjobs are covered. It shouldn't have come as any surprise. She is very clear in her communications.

I'm planning my first trip to Thailand. I read November through December is the best time to visit, but for our purposes is that still he case?

I'm planning two weeks. 4 nights in Pattaya, the rest in BKK. I'm actually looking for a place to relocate and do the digital expat thing.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3075389]555, that's a bit of an exaggeration. In certain situations, it is possible. I'm a whole lot older and less desirable than an average 38 year old and I've done it many times for about 2 orders of magnitude less money and no mention of sin sod. There are two keys. First, convince them you are STD free. Be ready to present your recent STD test results that show a minimum of negative HIV (that's what they mostly worry about). Even with valid documentation, most will not trust you and probably not even look. Second, convince them you've had a vasectomy. I don't know how to do this, I've had vasectomy and many subsequent testings, but I can't prove it. If you haven't had a vasectomy, you should stick to CFS; these girls may or may not be on birth control and they lie like a rug.

If you've courted a mamasan at a go-go club, work through her. Show mamasan your clean bill of health and convince her you've had a vasectomy. But, that's not going to happen quickly.

The less desirable girls are often ready for BBFSCIP, some without surcharge and some with surcharge. They need the money. It's the hotties that are more difficult, they have plenty of offers.[/QUOTE]We usually offer more Thai baht or looking for the ones whom are drinking they tend to be okay Bareback and csn even upgrade to BBCIA I've done a few now at Soi 6 taking them upstairs after a few drinks for ST. I tend to avoid LT where they sometimes want you to take tests wasting $$.

I'm headed to Bangkok this weekend and it's my first time in Thailand. It's a work trip so I'll have work colleagues in the same hotel (JW Marriott) so my mongering needs to be discreet. My question is about checking girls into the hotel. Do I have to accompany them, or will they be able to check themselves in at the desk and then come to my room? If I have to accompany them, does anyone else have any suggestions regarding maintaining discretion? I've considered getting a room in a different hotel just for the purpose of mongering, but I prefer not to if it's not necessary.

I'm in Bangkok, Chang Mai and maybe the islands Nov. 18 - December 8th. Going to the Yi Peng Lantern Festival and Loy Krathong on November 24–25,2026. November is the end of rainy season and the coolest temperatures. 1st timer coming, also considering relocating here in the future. From what I can tell, never being there, this window is the best time to visit. Busy season takes off about the time I'm leaving. Have fun!

[QUOTE=BadooBoy;3078187]I'm planning my first trip to Thailand. I read November through December is the best time to visit, but for our purposes is that still he case?

I'm planning two weeks. 4 nights in Pattaya, the rest in BKK. I'm actually looking for a place to relocate and do the digital expat thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasterKaster;3078289]I'm headed to Bangkok this weekend and it's my first time in Thailand. It's a work trip so I'll have work colleagues in the same hotel (JW Marriott) so my mongering needs to be discreet. My question is about checking girls into the hotel. Do I have to accompany them, or will they be able to check themselves in at the desk and then come to my room? If I have to accompany them, does anyone else have any suggestions regarding maintaining discretion? I've considered getting a room in a different hotel just for the purpose of mongering, but I prefer not to if it's not necessary.[/QUOTE]I can't answer directly because I've never stayed at that hotel. Most places you must come to reception to greet your guest and give reception her ID.

But since you have associates with you, it would seem safer to go to a short time hotel, which probably costs less than 600 baht.

[QUOTE=MasterKaster;3078289]I'm headed to Bangkok this weekend and it's my first time in Thailand. It's a work trip so I'll have work colleagues in the same hotel (JW Marriott) so my mongering needs to be discreet. My question is about checking girls into the hotel. Do I have to accompany them, or will they be able to check themselves in at the desk and then come to my room? If I have to accompany them, does anyone else have any suggestions regarding maintaining discretion? I've considered getting a room in a different hotel just for the purpose of mongering, but I prefer not to if it's not necessary.[/QUOTE]I've never stayed at the JW Marriott myself (too expensive, and too noisy area for me), but according to some board members who stayed there, the girls do not have to "check in", as you call it. They are only visiting, so they don't have to check in anyway, but in most hotels the front desk will take their ID. But the JW Marriott doesn't seem to care who you invite to your room, and does not take ID's.
However, you will still have to accompany them, because the elevators require a key card.

PS: I assumed that you are talking about the JW Marriott in Sukhumvit Soi 2. Does your company and do your colleagues realize that this hotel is almost smack in the middle of the Nana entertainment area?

[QUOTE=BadooBoy;3078187]I'm planning my first trip to Thailand. I read November through December is the best time to visit, but for our purposes is that still he case? [/QUOTE]November through February is the coolest time of the year, and it doesn't rain much. But it's also high season, so there are more tourists and mongers, and the prices for hotels go up and the availability of the hottest girls goes down. Some mongers avoid high season because of this, but I don't. There's always plenty of fish in the ocean.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3078381]November through February is the coolest time of the year, and it doesn't rain much. But it's also high season, so there are more tourists and mongers, and the prices for hotels go up and the availability of the hottest girls goes down. Some mongers avoid high season because of this, but I don't. There's always plenty of fish in the ocean.[/QUOTE]I usually start my time in October.

Bigger crowds of the current monger level work to the benefit of us harder to find in shape older well dressed Americans who have fat wallets and know how to play the game. Remember, old guys don't beat up the money maker that bad.

Here is a tip for the newbie westerners; the mini hitachi cordless magic wand. Work a girl from a gogo or thermae into a froth, give her a good tip, tell her you are retired in Bangkok. Every girl will smile at you the next day.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3078378]PS: I assumed that you are talking about the JW Marriott in Sukhumvit Soi 2. Does your company and do your colleagues realize that this hotel is almost smack in the middle of the Nana entertainment area?[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone involved in reserving the rooms thought about that. This hotel was based on 1) it's a JW Marriott so should be a nice hotel, and 2) it's close to our office (1 km). Of course I looked it up and realized it's close to Nana, but that's all good with me!

I read a report elsewhere about a place called X-Ray where apparently they offer uniforms and themed rooms. The girl played the role of "innocent" school girl and apparently she was a pretty good actress. Is that a common thing in Thailand? Does it have a name so I can search for more reports and find other places that offer it?

[QUOTE=BadooBoy;3078519]I read a report elsewhere about a place called X-Ray where apparently they offer uniforms and themed rooms. The girl played the role of "innocent" school girl and apparently she was a pretty good actress. Is that a common thing in Thailand? Does it have a name so I can search for more reports and find other places that offer it?[/QUOTE]The name / word you are searching for is probably cosplay (costume play). Query that + massage + Bangkok for instance. [URL]https://thailandnightlife.net/shop/bangkok/rca/kapoo/psyche-dream-spa[/URL]

Sam.

[QUOTE=BadooBoy;3078187]I'm planning my first trip to Thailand. I read November through December is the best time to visit, but for our purposes is that still he case?

I'm planning two weeks. 4 nights in Pattaya, the rest in BKK. I'm actually looking for a place to relocate and do the digital expat thing.[/QUOTE]It's hot all bloody year around! I've been in Jan, Feb, Jun, July, Sept., Oct and there isn't really much difference to be honest. Yes it rains more Jun. Oct and yes there are more tourists in Dec-Jan but I didn't experience anything to say that I wouldn't return at a certain time of year again.

I'd suggest if you are thinking of re-locating then try the so called "worst" months as in the most crowded or the hottest of the hot to see if you still like it and can stand it!

Age: late twenties. Older than I prefer, but was the best looking at the moment.

Looks: 7/10.

Service: 4/10.

Started with a good oil massage, but after that things went downhill. Did a decent blowjob and ball licking, but refused to let me touch her head / hair while doing that ("did not want to wash her hair again", or some other nonsense).

After blowjobi-ing for a while, tried to pull her on top of me to fondle her boobs, but she pretended to not understand what I meant, and instead went into various awkward positions. Seemed like she was extremely scared of my uncovered dick touching any part of her lower body. Gave up on getting her into a good position on top of me, and instead directed her to continue the blowjob. Then she put on the condom and did cowgirl for a while, while I starfished on my back as the mood wasn't there anymore for me. After a while of that, changed to doggy style, then removed the condom and had her suck my dick while she remained in the doggystyle position. When I was about to cum, she violently took her mouth off my dick, which further ruined the experience. Expressed my displeasure with her behaviour, before taking a quick shower and going down, not bothering to wait for her.

Repeat: No.

Mentioned it to the younger mamasan who was at the reception when I came down, as I could not see the other mamasan who had guided me into the shop, but the receptionist wasn't particularly interested in that.

As I exited the shop I sow the slightly older, pum-pui mamasan who had invited me into the shop, and told her the service wasn't much good. She brought me back into the shop, and seemed to offer a somewhat genuine apology and interest in finding out why I was not happy. Jaja also came down by that time, explaining her version of things, and had even taken a photo of the cum stained bed as proof I had finished. I admired that work of art, and mamasan checked the time, seeing I had pretty much used up my allotted hour, before indicating sorry again. Anyway, I wasn't looking for any compensation, but more to make management aware of substandard service, which will hopefully improve service for future customers, even if I will obviously not choose this girl again.

Joined their line group also while there, and was surprised they seem to have several girls starting work at 8 am already. Always thought it was pretty pointless to go over to that soi before 12 pm, but maybe not.

You must be real old to even bother, care and take your time to make a formal "complaint" in a situation like this, jesus. Jog on.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3078575]Age: late twenties. Older than I prefer, but was the best looking at the moment.

Looks: 7/10.

Service: 4/10.

Started with a good oil massage, but after that things went downhill. Did a decent blowjob and ball licking, but refused to let me touch her head / hair while doing that ("did not want to wash her hair again", or some other nonsense).

After blowjobi-ing for a while, tried to pull her on top of me to fondle her boobs, but she pretended to not understand what I meant, and instead went into various awkward positions. Seemed like she was extremely scared of my uncovered dick touching any part of her lower body. Gave up on getting her into a good position on top of me, and instead directed her to continue the blowjob. Then she put on the condom and did cowgirl for a while, while I starfished on my back as the mood wasn't there anymore for me. After a while of that, changed to doggy style, then removed the condom and had her suck my dick while she remained in the doggystyle position. When I was about to cum, she violently took her mouth off my dick, which further ruined the experience. Expressed my displeasure with her behaviour, before taking a quick shower and going down, not bothering to wait for her.t.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3078575]As I exited the shop I sow the slightly older, pum-pui mamasan who had invited me into the shop, and told her the service wasn't much good. She brought me back into the shop, and seemed to offer a somewhat genuine apology and interest in finding out why I was not happy. Jaja also came down by that time, explaining her version of things, and had even taken a photo of the cum stained bed as proof I had finished. I admired that work of art, and mamasan checked the time, seeing I had pretty much used up my allotted hour, before indicating sorry again. Anyway, I wasn't looking for any compensation, but more to make management aware of substandard service, which will hopefully improve service for future customers[/QUOTE]So which part of your disappointment did you make the mama aware of? You told her I'm unhappy your girl moved her mouth away at the moment I was about to explode in her mouth, or I'm unhappy she wouldn't let me pull her head while she was sucking my dick, or I'm unhappy she didn't want to go in cowgirl while I didn't have a condom on?

I've done that shop twice post covid and both girls were nice and pretty but the service was not exactly what most westerners would describe as a good service while reporting their experience on the internet.

That shop has been well reviewed on this site (and on others) and I don't remember any report stating the girls working in that shop deliver a good service (at least post covid).

These girls aren't supposed to become pornstars once they enter the room, so I don't see how mama is going to be able to improve the standard after you expressed your disappointment about a girl who still did put some kind of work on you, though I can see you did put a lot of stress in that poor girl's head, so you kind of had your revenge on her.

[QUOTE=MasterKaster;3078450]I don't think anyone involved in reserving the rooms thought about that. This hotel was based on 1) it's a JW Marriott so should be a nice hotel, and 2) it's close to our office (1 km). Of course I looked it up and realized it's close to Nana, but that's all good with me![/QUOTE]Great buffet there and reasonably priced using eatigo.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3078607]Great buffet there and reasonably priced using eatigo.[/QUOTE]With the 50% eatigo discount, that Sukhumvit Soi 2 J. W. Marriott buffet is a very good deal, IMO. With that discount the final total per person is about 1,350 baht. I can justify that cost with just the amount I eat of their peeled shrimp a la old-school Las Vegas resort hotel buffets, a rare offering in Bangkok, with the American style seafood cocktail sauce, the various cheese, olives and deli meats offerings even before I get to the steak, mashed potatoes and gravy, veggies and desserts.

[QUOTE=MrJibb;3078577]You must be real old to even bother, care and take your time to make a formal "complaint" in a situation like this, jesus. Jog on.[/QUOTE]If the mamasan had assured me her girls provide a CIM finish for their BBBJs but the girl pulled away at crunch time, I not only would have complained but stood there in front of the mamasan waiting for at least some of money to be refunded to me and not left until that happened. Maybe half of it. Which I would have done at any age and assure you was the kind of thing I did under similar circumstances even back when I was mongering in Thailand in my 40's.

However, unless I have cleared that level of service with at least the girl beforehand and possibly the mamasan beforehand too, whatever is doled out to me in the room is up to the girl and I have little standing to expect a refund. But I would still complain about a girl's crap attitude and behavior in the room afterwards, especially if the mamasan asks me how it went as I was leaving.

We do no one any favors by keeping crap service or especially misleading crap service a secret. That does harm to the venue, to the girls in that venue who do try hard to provide good service, to other punters and to ourselves in the general market location.

Notice in this reported case the mamasan seemed genuinely interested in how things went for her customer. She should be. Crap service being doled out secretly behind closed doors and unreported by us that she is never made aware of takes money out of her pocket and the pockets of the girls in her venue who do deliver good service and want customers to spread the good news and return for more rather than lose money and go out of business.

Hey,

Visiting BKK soon to play some golf at the end of the month, and wanted some advice.

Any golf course we can get "naughty" caddies?

Thanks.

S.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3078575]Jaja at Mango massage[/QUOTE]Was this Mango Massage just off Sukhumvit Soi 24? Or some other shop called Mango?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3078743]Was this Mango Massage just off Sukhumvit Soi 24? [/QUOTE]Yes. I have the impression they're not too happy with staff that does not make the customer leave happy, so service there is normally still decent, though my favourite for customer service, management wise, by a mile is still Wonder massage near Asoke BTS.

[QUOTE=BadooBoy;3078519]I read a report elsewhere about a place called X-Ray where apparently they offer uniforms and themed rooms. The girl played the role of "innocent" school girl and apparently she was a pretty good actress. Is that a common thing in Thailand? Does it have a name so I can search for more reports and find other places that offer it?[/QUOTE]X-Ray shop doesn't exist anymore, there is a pretty standard Nuru style place at the old location these days.

There is Pysche dream that does role plays, it's their specialty. They do prison, school, hospital and airplane.

Also Vovo BJ on Soi 33 do Secretary, Nurse & School-girl.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078707]But I would still complain about a girl's crap attitude and behavior in the room afterwards, especially if the mamasan asks me how it went as I was leaving.

We do no one any favors by keeping crap service or especially misleading crap service a secret. That does harm to the venue, to the girls in that venue who do try hard to provide good service, to other punters and to ourselves in the general market location.

Notice in this reported case the mamasan seemed genuinely interested in how things went for her customer. She should be. Crap service being doled out secretly behind closed doors and unreported by us that she is never made aware of takes money out of her pocket and the pockets of the girls in her venue who do deliver good service and want customers to spread the good news and return for more rather than lose money and go out of business.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately not everyone understands this. The world is full of people who are unable, and deadly afraid, to express their displeasure with a service in a polite, face-to-face manner. They will look shyly down, nod smilingly when asked how it was, and management will think all was good. Maybe even recommend the girl as "good service" to future customers.

Maybe there are more of these scared mushrooms now than before, but I'm not sure. I suspect it was always the case that some people are like this, and will just swallow the disappointment and "jog on".

There was another shop here last year, maybe still is, which kind of forced the customer to give a rating after service, before exiting out the door. Unfortunately, they set it up in a way that made you do it in front of the girl, so the girl is standing there (at least in my case), looking at you, while management asks you to rate her service from one to five. I can no longer remember what I rated the girl, but remember the managing lady making some "ooh, hmm" sound after I gave my rating, even though I think my rating was not worse than 4.

Good on that shop for taking such an active and systemized interest in it I thought, which shows that some shops really do want to know, but poorly implemented as I'm sure many people will rate the girl standing there, staring at you, as five, no matter what, before "jogging on". I remember afterwards thinking I should suggest they reorganize it slightly next time I go there, but for some reason I didn't visit the shop again on that trip, and completely forgot about it until now. Now I don't even remember what shop it was.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078705]With the 50% eatigo discount, that Sukhumvit Soi 2 J. W. Marriott buffet is a very good deal, IMO. With that discount the final total per person is about 1,350 baht. I can justify that cost with just the amount I eat of their peeled shrimp a la old-school Las Vegas resort hotel buffets, a rare offering in Bangkok, with the American style seafood cocktail sauce, the various cheese, olives and deli meats offerings even before I get to the steak, mashed potatoes and gravy, veggies and desserts.[/QUOTE]Its a great way to save money on mongering, starve all day, make an early reservation, eat till food coma, go to sleep. Bravo! You stayed out of the bars.

The westin is good too.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078705]With the 50% eatigo discount, that Sukhumvit Soi 2 J. W. Marriott buffet is a very good deal, IMO. With that discount the final total per person is about 1,350 baht. I can justify that cost with just the amount I eat of their peeled shrimp a la old-school Las Vegas resort hotel buffets, a rare offering in Bangkok, with the American style seafood cocktail sauce, the various cheese, olives and deli meats offerings even before I get to the steak, mashed potatoes and gravy, veggies and desserts.[/QUOTE]I am heading to BKK soon & that buffet sounds great. How & where do I get this eatigo discount?

[QUOTE=Shemp;3078851]I am heading to BKK soon & that buffet sounds great. How & where do I get this eatigo discount?[/QUOTE][URL]https://eatigo.com/[/URL]

I concur that the JW Marriott buffet is excellent.

The best gourmet buffet in BKK is at Mandarin Oriental. It is memorable.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3078918]The best gourmet buffet in BKK is at Mandarin Oriental. It is memorable.[/QUOTE]I can't say the buffet at the J. W. Marriott is "the best" buffet in Bangkok because I have only tried a few of them. But I think it is a deal hard to beat for the money with that 50% eatigo discount.

I am a sucker for that all-you-can-eat peeled shrimp that was always my first go-to option in those Las Vegas hotel buffets years ago. I do cruise through any big hotel buffet I encounter in Bangkok and, so far, the J. W. Marriott is the only one I have seen offering it. And I went there once when they didn't have a bowl of them sitting in the iced seafood counter. So I asked the server and she said they were running low on them at that time and brought a plate-ful of them to my table from the kitchen.

If the Mandarin Oriental has peeled shrimp along with other top notch items I assume they would have I definitely will give that buffet a try sometime.

[QUOTE=Studley;3078736]Hey,

Visiting BKK soon to play some golf at the end of the month, and wanted some advice.

Any golf course we can get "naughty" caddies?

Thanks.

S.[/QUOTE]Depending on where you play and what time of day, (night golf turns in a party and usually at least one of the girls is up for "19th hole" activities. Panya Indra has a lot of nice ladies at night, and I have had a couple of the Summit Windmill gals that joined me for an evening on the town, unfortunately two of them now have "boyfriends" for the low season and are not working and another went back home. I would suggest getting the Golfllan app and think about making a bokking in advance for the girls you want. The ones that have photos on their profiles in civilian clothes are more likely to be inclined to go out after. A few guys have taken the caddies to a short time hotel after the round as well. If you are staying at a hotel that is part of the course (Summit Windmill) the ladies are not allowed in the hotel for obvious reasons. Silver Lake also has a robust night golf program with some really cute girls. Make sure to bring a couple of bottles of Regency to get the party started. I iwll try to Reach out by DM to you as well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078979]I can't say the buffet at the J. W. Marriott is "the best" buffet in Bangkok because I have only tried a few of them. But I think it is a deal hard to beat for the money with that 50% eatigo discount.

I am a sucker for that all-you-can-eat peeled shrimp that was always my first go-to option in those Las Vegas hotel buffets years ago. I do cruise through any big hotel buffet I encounter in Bangkok and, so far, the J. W. Marriott is the only one I have seen offering it. And I went there once when they didn't have a bowl of them sitting in the iced seafood counter. So I asked the server and she said they were running low on them at that time and brought a plate-ful of them to my table from the kitchen.

If the Mandarin Oriental has peeled shrimp along with other top notch items I assume they would have I definitely will give that buffet a try sometime.[/QUOTE]They are all good depending on what you feel like eating. Rip the bong, gorge on lobster, prime rib and cheesecake, then burp and go to sleep. The beauty of being older and living in se Asia.

I flew into BKK last year just to eat in a buffet. Mongering was an afterthought.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078979]I can't say the buffet at the J. W. Marriott is "the best" buffet in Bangkok because I have only tried a few of them. But I think it is a deal hard to beat for the money with that 50% eatigo discount.

I am a sucker for that all-you-can-eat peeled shrimp that was always my first go-to option in those Las Vegas hotel buffets years ago. I do cruise through any big hotel buffet I encounter in Bangkok and, so far, the J. W. Marriott is the only one I have seen offering it. And I went there once when they didn't have a bowl of them sitting in the iced seafood counter. So I asked the server and she said they were running low on them at that time and brought a plate-ful of them to my table from the kitchen.

If the Mandarin Oriental has peeled shrimp along with other top notch items I assume they would have I definitely will give that buffet a try sometime.[/QUOTE]Lord Jims at the Mandarin Oriental has you covered on seafood. It is expensive to dine there, but worth it once in a while. IMHO. Bon appetit.

[URL]https://www.mandarinoriental.com/en/bangkok/chao-phraya-river/dine/lord-jims[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3079214]They are all good depending on what you feel like eating. Rip the bong, gorge on lobster, prime rib and cheesecake, then burp and go to sleep. The beauty of being older and living in se Asia.

I flew into BKK last year just to eat in a buffet. Mongering was an afterthought.[/QUOTE]Sofitel has a good brunch buffet the first Sunday of each month, bookable via eatigo too.

Rain tree cafe, a two minute walk from the JW Marriot, is my current favourite. Was almost empty when I went there a few days ago, so service was superb, and offered to "fry new fresh for you" this and that.

I also like Goji, who have managed to keep the quality level decent, but is so crowded that it's like eating in a food court. Plus having eaten there a hundred times over the years, it's gotten quite boring.

Hungryhub is an usable alternative to eatigo, but a lot of the offers there are for two persons minimum, so only usable for those with friends. Also quite complicated to navigate compared to eatigo.

Walking down Sukumvit Rd during early afternoon I was surprised to see a big number of Muslim women in burkas and hijabs. Some unaccompanied and some definitely for hire.

I sat in a bar and observed, definitely some P4P going on.

Later, after dinner, I went down to Nana plaza to drink beer and hang out playing pool. Nice hostess but out of my price range.

Around 10 pm I left Nana and started back towards Terminal 21.

Counted about 30 hookers on the street. All shapes and sizes!

One took my fancy and I took her back to my hotel nearby. She was about 35, big natural boobs and a little on the plus size.

Quoted 2 K but baulked at my 1 K offer and then settled for 1.5 K long time.

I am over 70 now and it takes me a while to cum and the ladies don't like this!

Any way she finished me by hand and mouth so I'm not complaining.

I had my evening meal in Terminal 21 and after that wandered down to Nana Plaza around 8:30 pm.

Played pool again and beat my hostess (stunning 28 year old With blond hair and very non Thai looks) 4 games to nill!

She said she was new to the bar scene and I believe her. Usually they will thrash you at pool and connect 4!

Walked back in the direction of my hotel and decided to count the girls (and boys) on the way. I got to 103! About 90 genuine girls (I think) and 13 lady boys or other.

Plenty of solid talent out there.

I didn't take up any offers as I am leaving early AM to travel to Hua Hin.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3079246]Lord Jims at the Mandarin Oriental has you covered on seafood. It is expensive to dine there, but worth it once in a while. IMHO. Bon appetit.

[URL]https://www.mandarinoriental.com/en/bangkok/chao-phraya-river/dine/lord-jims[/URL][/QUOTE]"Quite expensive" to me is the understatement of the year. LOL. At $100 (US) + 10% gratuity + tax seems like the joint is taking the piss. Then you read the dress code, I'll take a pass on that. Lord Jim would not be a patron of the place. Ha ha ha.

Last buffet I went to in BKK was last year. Sofitel in Siam Square. About 1000 baht as I recall. It was so-so.

Landmark Hotel used to have a very good lunch buffet. I would go there at least one time per trip with a Thai buddy who loaded up on salmon. I liked the deserts and eye candy. LOL.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3078918]The best gourmet buffet in BKK is at Mandarin Oriental. It is memorable.[/QUOTE]And according to [URL]Booking.com[/URL], only £48 / day.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;3079286]And according to [URL]Booking.com[/URL], only 48 / day.[/QUOTE]On Lord Jimsa reservation page it says the dinner buffet price is 3800 bt. I have never been to the dinner buffet; I have been to their lunch buffet 3 times over the last 10 years, and it was real good. But according to Lord Jims the dinner buffet specializes in seafood so that is the time I would recommend to EihTooms based on his priorities although there was plenty of high-quality shrimp of all kinds on the lunch buffet too. Personally, I prefer a lunch pig out, 555, because it allows me the rest of the afternoon and early evening to recover and get my shit together for the nighttime action back on Sukhumvit.

Talk about stuffing my face; my favorite churrascaria (all you can eat steak house) in Sao Paulo is Barbacoa. The waiters never stop bringing high-quality cuts of beef to your table and the selection rotation is minimal. I only go there for lunch around noon when they open, so by 9 pm I have recovered sufficiently and am ready for action IE hooking up with some pretty garotas. KKK.

EihTooms how are you man? Remember we had met one evening as I was new In Thailand?

Guys I am back. I was in DokiDoki nuru massage today but it was closing time in night so I had to return, but I saw only 2 girls coming out from that shop. Is DokiDoki still good? Which other Nuru Massage center you recommend?

On a different topic: It is hot in Bangkok. Wanted to try Ice cream. Some ice cream brands are made from frozen dessert, means made from milk fats only, no milk in them. Do you guys know any brand that is good and made from milk?

[QUOTE=Visal;3079307]EihTooms how are you man? Remember we had met one evening as I was new In Thailand?

Guys I am back. I was in DokiDoki nuru massage today but it was closing time in night so I had to return, but I saw only 2 girls coming out from that shop. Is DokiDoki still good? Which other Nuru Massage center you recommend?

On a different topic: It is hot in Bangkok. Wanted to try Ice cream. Some ice cream brands are made from frozen dessert, means made from milk fats only, no milk in them. Do you guys know any brand that is good and made from milk?[/QUOTE]I'm fine, thanks. Sorry to say I am not making the connection between your name here, Visal, and someone I met only once. I have met several members here over the years and would say almost all have been pleasant experiences so I am sure you were one of the good ones as well. Glad to have met you.

[QUOTE=Visal;3079307]On a different topic: It is hot in Bangkok. Wanted to try Ice cream. Some ice cream brands are made from frozen dessert, means made from milk fats only, no milk in them. Do you guys know any brand that is good and made from milk?[/QUOTE]Both Swensen's and Haagen-Daz are good and made from milk. Swensen's can be found in Siam Paragon and Terminal 21. Haagen-Daz in the Emporium and EmQuartier Soi 22?

Sam.

[QUOTE=Visal;3079307] SNIP<

On a different topic: It is hot in Bangkok. Wanted to try Ice cream. Some ice cream brands are made from frozen dessert, means made from milk fats only, no milk in them. Do you guys know any brand that is good and made from milk?[/QUOTE]Check YouTube. Put "Real ice cream in Bangkok" into the search bar. You will get a heap of links.

Instagram has this [URL]https://www.instagram.com/reel/DW3-KObDz1e/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Visal;3079307]EihTooms how are you man? Remember we had met one evening as I was new In Thailand?

Guys I am back. I was in DokiDoki nuru massage today but it was closing time in night so I had to return, but I saw only 2 girls coming out from that shop. Is DokiDoki still good? Which other Nuru Massage center you recommend?

On a different topic: It is hot in Bangkok. Wanted to try Ice cream. Some ice cream brands are made from frozen dessert, means made from milk fats only, no milk in them. Do you guys know any brand that is good and made from milk?[/QUOTE]Mall gelato is my gig. Its hard to buy a quart and take it home in the heat.

The fancy ice cream bars in 7-11 are good too.

P.S, since you are back and clearly walking around, what's new on soi 4?

[QUOTE=Smyke;3079271]Walking down Sukumvit Rd during early afternoon I was surprised to see a big number of Muslim women in burkas and hijabs. Some unaccompanied and some definitely for hire.

I sat in a bar and observed, definitely some P4P going on.

Later, after dinner, I went down to Nana plaza to drink beer and hang out playing pool. Nice hostess but out of my price range.

Around 10 pm I left Nana and started back towards Terminal 21.

Counted about 30 hookers on the street. All shapes and sizes!.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Smyke;3079273]I had my evening meal in Terminal 21 and after that wandered down to Nana Plaza around 8:30 pm.

Played pool again and beat my hostess (stunning 28 year old With blond hair and very non Thai looks) 4 games to nill!

She said she was new to the bar scene and I believe her. Usually they will thrash you at pool and connect 4!

Walked back in the direction of my hotel and decided to count the girls (and boys) on the way. I got to 103! About 90 genuine girls (I think) and 13 lady boys or other.

Plenty of solid talent out there.

I didn't take up any offers as I am leaving early AM to travel to Hua Hin.[/QUOTE]Fabulous reports, I am otw soon. Keep the intelligence coming, I haven't seen a mixx report in a while so somebody needs to get busy.

[QUOTE=Visal;3079307]EihTooms how are you man? Remember we had met one evening as I was new In Thailand?

On a different topic: It is hot in Bangkok. Wanted to try Ice cream. Some ice cream brands are made from frozen dessert, means made from milk fats only, no milk in them. Do you guys know any brand that is good and made from milk?[/QUOTE]Pala Pizza Romana & Bistrot in the ASOK BTS station complex has a Gelato station. I've tried their gelato & its pretty good.

[QUOTE=Grebe925;3079440]Pala Pizza Romana & Bistrot in the ASOK BTS station complex has a Gelato station. I've tried their gelato & its pretty good.[/QUOTE]Slices half off at closing. Grab a few slices for post coital snack or breakfast. The rustica is excellent.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3079400]Mall gelato is my gig. Its hard to buy a quart and take it home in the heat.

The fancy ice cream bars in 7-11 are good too.

P.S, since you are back and clearly walking around, what's new on soi 4?[/QUOTE]The gelato stand outside of Opera restaurant on Soi 39 is very good.

Have any of you been to The PIMP?

I know G Clubs are pricier, but we are 2 guys celebrating our 50th birthday and want to enjoy ourselves, and we don't mind spending a bit.

The website and host say "Anything goes" in the private Karaoke rooms.

Would like to know the following.

1. Are the girls really as beautiful as they claim to be? The videos and images certainly look like it.

2. What is the flow of things in the private rooms?

3. How much do the girls charge for extra services.

4. They now have something new IE PIMP Cats which can also be GF for the day, has anybody tried this?

We are keen on the girlfriend for the day idea, and will certainly try it out. Should we look at [URL]seeking.com[/URL], TF, The PIMP or Concierge services?

Naughty golf also looks like will work out, kudos to SkyRyder.

Thanks.

S.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3075164]I went to Crazy House the other day. Compared to past years, there is more nudity and more silicon.

The number of Farangs is way down. Most customers are Asians now.[/QUOTE]More nudity means what? Girls are always buck naked there every time I went. Why.

[QUOTE=MarcSmith961;3079559]More nudity means what? Girls are always buck naked there every time I went. Why.[/QUOTE]What's the bar fine?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3079570]What's the bar fine?[/QUOTE]B700 as of a few months ago.

In past trips, I've gone to Soi 24/1, however for some reason a lot of the places there have migrated over to Soi 22, which isn't far a way. I suspect it's more foot traffic from the relatively recently opened Emsphere, as newer Thai malls attract more foot traffic. My "go to" in the past was Cherry Massage where I could reliably get DFK, DATY, and CFS for B2500.

I had gone to Emsphere to get a quick bite for dinner and I noticed there was an pedestrian exit which my mental math led me to believe was to Soi 22. I'd done some homework and I knew the places with explicit menus were further away from the mall. Immediately to my left as I exited Emsphere was a bar and a couple of legit looking massage places. They had unobstructed windows with massage chairs and all the therapists were wearing brightly colored polos with black pants. As I walked down the street one woman was particularly aggressive in striking up a conversation. She had a price list and everything on there was legit, well below what FS places charge. She looked pretty hot and had decent sized tits, so I asked her "is this massage only?" to which she replied "whatever you want". At this point, the little head took over and I started surveying additional talent. I saw one woman who was thick with huge tits and I told the woman who showed me the massage price list I wanted to pick her. She gave me a bit of a dirty look and said they could do 4 hands, but I didn't have a ton of cash on me, so I went with the original woman.

We entered the establishment, I took off my shoes and we walked toward the back past massage chairs and I paid the B500 fee. We then went upstairs and entered a room with a massage table and a shower. She asked what I wanted and I told her DATY and CFS. She got out her phone and showed me a calculator and said "how much". I was already out B500, so I said B1500 and she said, "oh no. B4000". While she had a great body, as we talked I realized from her crows feet that she was probably mid-40's to 50. I came up to B2000 and stayed firm there and she relented. I was a bit turned off and about to leave by this point, so I'm glad it ended there. She left the room to get some towels and when she returned, I hopped in the shower and she disrobe. At this point I'd realized I'd hit the jackpot. She had the body of a 25 year old who works out every day. No baby damage, dark tan skin, toned round ass, and perfect see cups that were natural with dark brown nipples, and full lips (the mouth kind). The shower wasn't big enough for 2 people, so after I rinsed off she hopped in and washed herself thoroughly.

Once she was out of the shower, she got on the bed and I attempted a kiss, but it was only on the lips with no tongue and I worked my way down to her pussy. It was neatly trimmed and it was so tiny. After about 5 or 10 minutes of DATY, she covered her mouth and started squirming. Then out of nowhere, she arched her back nearly breaking my nose LOL. I kept at it until she came down and her legs quivered. She said, "now I take care of you". She started off with a straight BBBJ, but I positioned her for 69 (she weighted no more than 110 lbs) and I ultimately busted in her mouth. As we took a break for a moment she said, "you still hard" as she unwrapped a condom to put it on me. At this point, she was sitting on the edge of the massage table and I was standing. As I entered her, she wrapped her legs around me and I picked her up and she wrapped her arms around me and we fucked standing. At this point stuck her tongue down my throat as we went at it. Then I felt her pussy squeezing my cock and she squirted while breathing heavy. I put her down on the table and finished standing mish. We ended up cycling through DATY and cowgirl, then DATY and doggy after that. She was an absolute fiend.

I had to get going and as we were getting dressed, she said "you come back tomorrow morning" and I chuckled. She asked me how long I would be in town and I told her. She then grabbed a pen and wrote down her name and phone number and asked for my name. She left off the country code, but I figured it out and sent her a message on LINE a couple of days later in the morning. To my surprise, she remembered me and replied "strong old guy". She said she had the day off and I suggested we meet at Phrom Phong BTS. I asked her if she had an STI test and she did. She showed up, we went to a nice lunch in Emquartier, she got a couple of little things at the mall and then back to my hotel. As soon as the door closed, clothes came off, we hopped in the shower to rinse off and it was off to the races. At the hotel, she didn't cover her mouth and she was very vocal. We didn't leave the room for the rest of the day except to pick up our Grab order downstairs. I learned she was 53, which blew my mind. She had an incredible body and incredible stamina. She ended up spending the night and we went to a late brunch. She said to let her know when I visit Thailand again and she would love to be my tour guide.

Anyway, this experience blew my mind. She wasn't the youngest, but she had an incredibly lean, muscular body with a nice ass and tits. It was really cool to make a physical connection with someone around my age. It was CFS at the massage place, but for hotel festivities I trusted her test. I got doxy-pep after she left and I got tested when I got back to the states. In the past, I've gone in looking for a lineup. After this experience, I'm definitely more amenable to an aggressive provider if they're not butt ugly. Definitely a unicorn experience.

I left the name of the place off, but there is enough info to figure it out. I suspect most of the masseuses at both places go beyond massage, but their price lists stand in stark contrast to the places further down Sukhumvit Soi 22 that list explicit services. As for off site, my lesson learned was going to the gym pays off big.

[QUOTE=Sstrika;3077130]Hi.

Even after reading many FRs, I still have some basic doubts as a first timer in Bangkok.

1. Some NURU massage parlors say Full service. With gelatin all over the body, how does Condom work in FS? Or does it mean without.

2. When SOAP massage can result in FS, what is the need to go in search of girls in Bar? Are the bars cheaper or is it for.

3. Some massage websites clearly write prices for 2 shots and one shot. Hope they are legally ok.

4. If I am staying in reputed hotels like Novatel, Hyatt etc. Is it ok to take a local girl to the room? Do hotels object because.[/QUOTE]1. They have their own supply. I've only been to nuru once in Chiang Mai at Icha Icha, but it was nuru first, then boom boom and they had condoms.

2. Concur. Too much process at a bar. Easier at a massage place.

3. Places that have explicit services are accurate. If you go to a massage place that doesn't have explicit services, a safe route to go is ask if it's massage only and you'll quickly learn if more is available. I went to one such place and was pleasantly surprised.

4. If you're not sure on age, registering them with the front desk can protect you. On my latest trip, the woman I was with was well over 30 and we just walked to the elevator without issue.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;3079672]While she had a great body, as we talked I realized from her crows feet that she was probably mid-40's to 50. I came up to B2000 and stayed firm there and she relented. I was a bit turned off and about to leave by this point, so I'm glad it ended there. She left the room to get some towels and when she returned, I hopped in the shower and she disrobe. At this point I'd realized I'd hit the jackpot.

We didn't leave the room for the rest of the day except to pick up our Grab order downstairs. I learned she was 53, which blew my mind. She had an incredible body and incredible stamina. She ended up spending the night and we went to a late brunch. She said to let her know when I visit Thailand again and she would love to be my tour guide.
[/QUOTE]

You sir, are a true gentleman in bed.

Sounds like she hit the jackpot too. Probably hadn't had sex that good in years. Certainly not from me, even though I also frequent soi 22 for similar reasons (mainly a proper thai massage, with frequently an option for something more).

[QUOTE=Studley;3079540]Have any of you been to The PIMP?

I know G Clubs are pricier, but we are 2 guys celebrating our 50th birthday and want to enjoy ourselves, and we don't mind spending a bit.

The website and host say "Anything goes" in the private Karaoke rooms.

Would like to know the following.

1. Are the girls really as beautiful as they claim to be? The videos and images certainly look like it.

2. What is the flow of things in the private rooms?

3. How much do the girls charge for extra services..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MentalMijit;3079672]In past trips, I've gone to Soi 24/1, however for some reason a lot of the places there have migrated over to Soi 22, which isn't far a way. I suspect it's more foot traffic from the relatively recently opened Emsphere, as newer Thai malls attract more foot traffic. My "go to" in the past was Cherry Massage where I could reliably get DFK, DATY, and CFS for B2500.

I had gone to Emsphere to get a quick bite for dinner and I noticed there was an pedestrian exit which my mental math led me to believe was to Soi 22. I'd done some homework and I knew the places with explicit menus were further away from the mall. Immediately to my left as I exited Emsphere was a bar and a couple of legit looking massage places. They had unobstructed windows with massage chairs and all the therapists were wearing brightly colored polos with black pants. As I walked down the street one woman was particularly aggressive in striking up a conversation. She had a price list and everything on there was legit, well below what FS places charge. She looked pretty hot and had decent sized tits, so I asked her "is this massage only?" to which she replied "whatever you want". At this point, the little head took over and I started surveying additional talent. I saw one woman who was thick with huge tits and I told the woman who showed me the massage price list I wanted to pick her. She gave me a bit of a dirty look and said they could do 4 hands, but I didn't have a ton of cash on me, so I went with the original woman..[/QUOTE]Nice report if you provide the name of the place.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3079686]You sir, are a true gentleman in bed.

Sounds like she hit the jackpot too. Probably hadn't had sex that good in years. Certainly not from me, even though I also frequent soi 22 for similar reasons (mainly a proper thai massage, with frequently an option for something more).[/QUOTE]After that experience, I'm definitely going to roll the dice on places that don't explicitly advertise additional services. Asking if it's massage only is an easy early exit before getting committed. The primary risk is whoever talks to the customer claims them as theirs so you lose latitude to switch after you talk.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;3079764]After that experience, I'm definitely going to roll the dice on places that don't explicitly advertise additional services. Asking if it's massage only is an easy early exit before getting committed. The primary risk is whoever talks to the customer claims them as theirs so you lose latitude to switch after you talk.[/QUOTE]Well, only kind of. I don't care who talks to me first. I look them all over, select the one I want, and then I talk directly to her, saying I want massage. All the others immediately get the message, and sometimes they will chuckle about it. If she's looking down on her phone, I will indicate with my eyes that it's her I want, and the others will wake her up.

If the one you selected does not want to provide the special services you request, well, then you are kind of right, and it would perhaps be difficult to switch, as in these plain massage shops, the others don't want to blatantly agree to stuff a colleague of theirs just rejected. But you choose yourself who it is you want to ask.

Some of these shops now also have staff who are annoyingly only interested in providing sex, not massage. Two times in the last couple of weeks I've been rejected, after they asked me if I wanted "special" also. First time I just said no (I just wanted the massage), the second time I had grown a bit wiser I thought, so said she could give me a BJ, but the price she wanted was more than the 1,000 max I'm willing to give, so ended up with no massage and no BJ.

Before this practically never happened (maybe once in two months or so).

Never mind, as I just walked further down to another shop though, and think I ended up with thai massage + BJ there.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3079778]Well, only kind of. I don't care who talks to me first. I look them all over, select the one I want, and then I talk directly to her, saying I want massage. All the others immediately get the message, and sometimes they will chuckle about it. If she's looking down on her phone, I will indicate with my eyes that it's her I want, and the others will wake her up.

If the one you selected does not want to provide the special services you request, well, then you are kind of right, and it would perhaps be difficult to switch, as in these plain massage shops, the others don't want to blatantly agree to stuff a colleague of theirs just rejected. But you choose yourself who it is you want to ask.

Some of these shops now also have staff who are annoyingly only interested in providing sex, not massage. Two times in the last couple of weeks I've been rejected, after they asked me if I wanted "special" also. First time I just said no (I just wanted the massage), the second time I had grown a bit wiser I thought, so said she could give me a BJ, but the price she wanted was more than the 1,000 max I'm willing to give, so ended up with no massage and no BJ..[/QUOTE]One time I was at a Thai massage place, one of the strictly massage places (or so I thought), uniforms, you take the masseuse assigned to you and all that. The lady I got must have been in her 40's or 50's, halfway through the Thai massage start touching my P, I said nothing, she took my hand and placed in her V, I wasn't even thinking, but a few minutes of dry handjob and my fingering them wasn't worth the tip I had to give.

Since then I have been propositioned with extra at 2 other "reputable" massage places, I turned down the offers and asked for massage only. I like to get massage only when I want massage, and the lack of privacy in the Thai massage places make whatever extras a subpar experience.

And you're right, the third offer was annoyingly persistent, even when I had clearly said no extra just give me the Thai massage. I think it's something to do with the economy, they just need the extra money, and it's getting increasingly common. For me I'll like to keep massage to massage and reject all offers of extra.