Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2711259]Let's pray Kaliningrad fares well and that Vilnius does not get the mushroom cloud it deserves from either China or Russia, as it has some nice architecture.

I see the two Yankee mercenaries (the Viet and the bio labs guy) are saying they are anti war. Walking corpses often are.

Let the Americans and Israelis troll on. Hopefully, the Lithuanians will get what they want and deserve.[/QUOTE]There's prisoners of war on both sides as is the norm. Trades are possible. China isn't interested beyond lip service as Russia is a third rate buttboy, an economy the size of Texas. Push comes to shove they side with the Yanks. As you are a buttboy in a hooker forum, bend, grab your ankles and cringe. LOL.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2711259]Let's pray Kaliningrad fares well and that Vilnius does not get the mushroom cloud it deserves [/QUOTE]Ah, I hear Putlers troll speaking. Since when is a independent state, like Luthania, obliged to allow any type of goods, even military, to transit its borders?

Only Putler might request this "natural right", based on military power. Unfortunately, Luthania is member of NATO, so its not so easy for him to enforce this "natural right".

BTW, may be, Germany should request "repatriation" of Koenigsberg (actually: Kaliningrad), because of being native German for more than 300 years.

Putler is invited to carry goods to Kaliningrad by air. Like the Americans did, during the blockage of Berlin by the Russians.

Or Putler might send ships. No blockage of Kaliningrads ports, like Putler does to the UA.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2711288]...BTW, may be, Germany should request "repatriation" of Koenigsberg (actually: Kaliningrad)...[/QUOTE]Also, how about Karelia and the Kuril islands?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2710598]Yeah, the concept that Putin was right all along (which is what the article was about) looks more and more clear. I do not think the Western Press has expressed the Russian POV very well, and I am not even sure this article got into it. All you hear in the Western Press is Putin is a mad man and they highlight whenever a Russian mentions being anti-war.

My understanding is Putin felt surrounded, and that was what the Atlantic mentioned victory in Ukraine would be, a surrounded Russia. I was told that Russia had only 2 of the 9 traditional choke points against an invasion and now are in control of 5 of the 9. In addition ethnic Russians were being tortured and killed in Donbas and water was being cut off to Crimea. Add in Ukraine being in the EU and Nato, the coup of 2014, and Russiagate where the Dems demonized Putin unfairly and Ukrainegate which showed the Dems had a stranglehold in Ukraine, and far from Putin being a mad man, I can see why he felt the need for a pre-emptive strike. He is a bully but I do not see him as irrational.

Putin is a guy who took over for Yeltsin who was a drunk and ruled at a time Russians were starving. Say you what you want about him ethically, but he gets the trains to run on time almost as well as any Russian leader can. Yes, it is not a Democracy, but Russians have historically preferred a strong armed leader versus an elected one. This again is something most Westerners do not get.

The hysteria has died down. No, Russia does not look like it is going to blow up everything in sight and stop at taking areas of Ukraine where there is a predominantly Russian population. He has shown no desire to March to the English Channel as some have mentioned. The return on the $40 billion the USA has sent to Ukraine may as well have been lit on fire for all the good it will do, and our nation is suffering with higher oil and gas prices and higher food prices.

Here are two pieces which show the diametrically opposed positions: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/heat-scorched-odessa-texas-has-been-without-water-all-week-due-ageing-infrastructure[/URL].

As residents are hopeful that the crisis finally resolves Saturday, it's worth noting the irony in billions of taxpayer dollars currently being sent to places like Odessa, Ukraine. Even as Americans in places like Odessa, Texas can't even get drinkable water due to "ageing infrastructure".

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-must-do-more-ukraine-even-if-costs-food-fuel-are-high-western-populations-nato[/URL]

Top officials in the West warning their populations against "Ukraine fatigue", saying that 'sacrifices' must be made for the long-term despite the 'high costs' in blood and treasure of continuing to ramp up support for Ukraine. This time it's NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg making unusually blunt statements, addressing the common masses.

"We must prepare for the fact that it could take years. We must not let up in supporting Ukraine," he began by saying in an interview published Sunday by Germany's Bild am Sonntag newspaper. He stressed this should be the case "even if the costs are high, not only for military support, also because of rising energy and food prices. ".

Why do we have to help Ukraine? The whole notion that Russia was going to March onto the English Channel made no sense to me. So the French, UK, and USA are not going to nuke Russia if that happens? Since when?

The question I have for this NATO General is we know the defense industry gets a return on investing in war but do we the American people get such a return? That answer is not maybe but probably not and in that case, we should not keep committing. If a NATO country is invaded, that is another story. If you look at this economically, Putin was right. The benefit of defending Ukraine was not worth the cost.[/QUOTE]Zero Hedge is not quite the BBC or Reuters in its reporting.

USA Accuses Zero Hedge of Spreading Russian Propaganda.

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-15/us-accuses-financial-website-of-spreading-russian-propaganda[/URL]#xj4 y7 vzkg.

Is Zero Hedge a Russian Trojan Horse?

[URL]https://newrepublic.com/article/156788/zero-hedge-russian-trojan-horse[/URL]

[URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2711303]Also, how about Karelia and the Kuril islands?[/QUOTE]Makes sense. Wasn't Karelia annexed by Soviet Union, having "Security Issues" for Leningrad (now St. Petersburg again), because border to Finland was too close?

Nowadays Putler argues a bit similar.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2710598] No, Russia does not look like it is going to blow up everything in sight and stop at taking areas of Ukraine where there is a predominantly Russian population. He has shown no desire to March to the English Channel as some have mentioned. [/QUOTE]But Putler has learned a few lessons from Adolf Hitler. And Stalin. Hitler annexed "Sudetenland" with same argumentation as Putler uses today.

Only difference: Hitlers army was really welcome with (some) flowers.

Stalin annexed part of Finland having "Security Concerns", because border to Finland was too close to Leningrad (St. Petersburg).

Western contries believed, that Hitlers aggression would be fnished, after grabbing "Sudetenland".

They were wrong.

Not to make same mistake with Putler again. For whom the Baltics or Moldova might be next countries of interest.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2711240]As to Hunter's laptop, that one is filed away with your 2000 Mules, ballots on Chinese paper, Hillary's emails, Barak's birth certificate, lock her up, stop the steal, John Durham, and the array of Covid conspiracy theories you suckers have been pitching for two years.[/QUOTE]Sorry, Hunter's laptop was real. The claims that the laptop was Russian disinformation was complete bullshit. Hiliary kept emails on an unsecure server illegally. That is a fact, and her case should have gone to trial. It was not appropriate for Comey, who we now know was compromised, to have made the decision not to prosecute. That should have been left to a prosecutor but Loretta Lynch was compromised as well.

2000 mules is a theory based on circumstantial evidence. The main charge against it is that the cell phone signals are not that accurate, but anyone who uses Uber and can see how accurate GPS is with phones knows that is bullshit. Durham caught a government lawyer lying on a FISA warrant request. He also caught Sussman lying to the FBI. He was found not guilty but no one said he was not lying. And the lab leak theory has now been accepted as possible even by the WHO.

I do not know about the Chinese paper and yeah, the Obama birth certificate thing was bullshit. Congratulations, you got one right, and that one was 10 years ago.

So all the things you call bullshit conspiracy theory blew up in your face. Russiagate was a total conspiracy and fraud. Trump being spied on during the campaign was conspiracy theory too until it was proven to be true.

Hunter Biden was collecting big money from the Ukrainian aid package, and daddy Joe fired the prosecutor looking into said corruption. Nancy Pelosi's kid and Mitt Romney's kid were cashing in too. That is not illegal but it is disgusting. Giving them money was basically legal bribery.

Then we learned that Ukraine was being run by Democratic operatives in NGOs. Maybe that is not known to the Republicans who voted for this $40 billion in military aid but it should have been. Even the hero to Democrats Marie Yovanovitch, former Ukraine ambassador, admits that had Trump been in office, Putin would not have invaded, and it is not because Trump was Putin's butt boy but because Biden continued to fuck around in Ukraine.

So here we go again. You dumb Dems unload on Putin like you did on Trump. Your litany of analogies to Hitler, Pot Pol ETC are predictable. Thing is in every situation where that kind of language was used, and a despot was kicked out in recent times, that nation's quality of life went in the toilet. Hell, you just demonized Trump to no end and we got Biden. Covid cases soared with him, we have inflation and $6 gas, a bear market, and shortages of tampons and baby formula. Woo hoo! Of course, like so many of the dumbest Dems you are not in America so you do not see the effects like those of us who live here do, but it is not good.

So get beyond the name calling, and what have you got? Nothing. Everything was baked into a Ukrainian victory and that is not happening. That $40 billion that was spent has been pissed away. Who cares? You are not paying taxes. Your lazy ass is getting social security checks and cheap health care. Of course, those of us who have to work for it and pay for it are not pleased. I wonder if all you saber rattling dumb Dem freeloaders would have been this way had your SS checks been cut to pay for said aid.

So now what? You dumb Dems going to continue talking shit about Putin? How does that help? If you want this war over with, and it is pretty clear now you do not, Putin has to be dealt with. He is the only one who can stop it.

Your grand plan of spending billions of dollars to get a huge boost in the midterms from Putin being kicked out of office has gone up in smoke, and that and only that was what all the trash talking was about. If you all gave a damn about the Ukrainian people, this war would be over with. Hell, you dumb Dems are continuing to throw Ukrainian lives in the toilet just to "weaken" Putin.

Ukraine president, Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky, addressed the African Union yesterday. Out of 55 invited heads of state only four (4) attended the virtual session. The message is America can keep its Ukrainian pervert, who plays piano with his penis.

Hopefully, the false war will be over soon and Lithuania can be blitzed off the face of the earth as a warning to Canada about treaty obligations. The beggars in Warsaw also need a lesson. The main objective must be to cleanse Europe of Americans, who are behind all this. Can't make an omelette without cracking heads.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2710598]The hysteria has died down. No, Russia does not look like it is going to blow up everything in sight and stop at taking areas of Ukraine where there is a predominantly Russian population. He has shown no desire to March to the English Channel as some have mentioned. The return on the $40 billion the USA has sent to Ukraine may as well have been lit on fire for all the good it will do, and our nation is suffering with higher oil and gas prices and higher food prices.[/QUOTE]Well when Russia is blowing up maternity wards and breadlines, shooting down seniors in the street and executing civilians in basements they are pretty much "blowing up everything in sight" aren't they? And if he was only interested in conquering areas with Russian speaking populations then why did he try to take Kyiv? You also erect a straw man when you talk about marching to the English Channel when Putin has been clear that he wants to see the restoration of the former USSR in regard to a rollback of NATO to pre-1997. So in essence, out of your love for arguing, you come to the Ukraine free for all thread sympathizing with our enemies with the usual spurious arguments.

As to your gasoline costs, you deserve to pay double driving an old over sized pickup truck when an economy car will do, no sympathy here. Democracy is and that of our allies is more important than the inconveniences of a selfish twit.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2711322]But Putler has learned a few lessons from Adolf Hitler. And Stalin. Hitler annexed "Sudetenland" with same argumentation as Putler uses today.
Stalin annexed part of Finland having "Security Concerns", because border to Finland was too close to Leningrad (St. Petersburg).

Western contries believed, that .[/QUOTE]The Ukrunazis are conducting scorched earth tactics destroying all the infrastructure they can along with murdering all the civilians they can while razing their homes and running back to their Banderastan capital. They apparently understand how unwelcome they've been in the territories grafted unto their State by the Soviets.

They've learned quite a few lessons from Hitler, with the final ones on the way.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2711375]The Ukrunazis are conducting scorched earth tactics destroying all the infrastructure they can along with murdering all the civilians they can while razing their homes and running back to their Banderastan capital. They apparently understand how unwelcome they've been in the territories grafted unto their State by the Soviets.

They've learned quite a few lessons from Hitler, with the final ones on the way.[/QUOTE]Murdering civilians has long been out of the Russo playbook dating to Chechnya, Syria, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia. We are exacting a heavy price, much to their dismay.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2710920]What far right wing Americans have voiced support for Putin[/QUOTE]This is disingenuous as you've offered praise for Tucker Carlson who sucks Vlad's 3 inch cock on a nightly basis. I'm also glad to see you identify yourself as "far right" which is generous given your gullible, kooky views. As to spending, yes, we support democracy abroad as the world is a community. Disorder across Europe effects us at home, Duh. Even cock swallowers like Josh Hawley know this, but pitch the isolationist nonsense to dumbfucks like you for his political advantage.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2711352]So in essence, out of your love for arguing, you come to the Ukraine free for all thread sympathizing with our enemies with the usual spurious arguments.[/QUOTE]LOL. I do not take my marching orders from the NY Times and Washington Post like you do. I like to think for myself.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2711352]As to your gasoline costs, you deserve to pay double driving an old over sized pickup truck when an economy car will do, no sympathy here. Democracy is and that of our allies is more important than the inconveniences of a selfish twit.[/QUOTE]I am glad you are worried about my gas prices. In case you have not noticed the ruble and Russian economy are stronger and why not? They have been getting richer than ever thanks to Biden's bone headed energy policy. I am glad you are concerned about the truck I do not own but I think giving Putin billions more is the issue.

What brought oil prices down before was American drilling. The number of operational rigs peaked at 1900+ under Obama in 2014: [URL]https://www.aogr.com/web-exclusives/us-rig-count/2014[/URL].

Now even with the price higher than ever, there are only 740 rigs going. [URL]https://www.aogr.com/web-exclusives/us-rig-count/2022[/URL].

As to why, Biden explains: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/chevron-ceo-slams-political-rhetoric-scorching-letter-biden[/URL].

First, he pokes fun at "hurt feelings" of the CEO of Chevron. That was pointless and completely fucking stupid. Then Biden says, "we ought to be able to work something out whereby they can increase refining capacity and still not give up on transitioning to renewable energy. " he then says we have plenty of oil fields working now. LOL. You cannot make this shit up.

Of course, this is on Zero Hedge so Biden's own words do not care if you are a Dem. If the same linked video was in the NYT, then and only then it is valid.

So let us get things straight, Paulie, you and your buddy Biden are putting the climate change agenda ahead of all American motorists, many world industries, and the Ukrainian citizens you are crying about whose lives are being taken. Where do you think Putin gets the money for his bombs dummy? Hell, if we were drilling like crazy, that would do more to hurt Putin than anything else. But you dumb Dems are not into actions. Nah, all you do is mouth off about how much you care.

And as far as the earth in Ukraine that getting shelled on a daily basis in part with weapons bought and paid for by us? It is nothing. Mother Earth can handle one country shelled into oblivion. None of those rocket launchers and explosives have anything to do with CO2 emissions right?

Just like you were pro-lockdown back in March 2020, when we actually had fewer Covid cases than we do now, and you have forgotten about Covid, you will forget about Ukraine after the mid terms. Covid was wiped from the front page after you dumb Dems decided you had a new way to attack Republicans. Republicans stupidly were not getting vaxxed and are now in love with Putin. You will not give a shit about Ukraine after the mid terms and you get your asses handed to you. And predictably, you dumb Dems will find something new to be outraged about and demonize Republicans all over again. Your concerns about Ukraine and its people will be long gone, and that per the article I linked is exactly what Putin is counting on.

We Dems care about Covid, we Dems care more about the Ukrainian people, and you will say you care more about whatever comes next. That is being a Democrat. It is not doing anything to fix anything. It is just pretending to care more.

Your insulting me over gas prices instead of Putin's billions of dollars more from higher oil prices shows how brain dead you are. Or is that a straw man too?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2711326]Sorry, Hunter's laptop was real. [/QUOTE]So is mine is an Acer Spin, love it, Where are the charges again Hunter or Hillary? Where's the lock her up?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2711326]2000 mules is a theory based on circumstantial evidence. [/QUOTE]No evidence at all, you lost the election and try to do better next time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2711326]So here we go again. You dumb Dems unload on Putin like you did on Trump. [/QUOTE]It's easy to unload on someone when he sucks the puny cock of our enemy, and with a facial finish each time. That's Trump. That's when he lies about a pandemic suggesting that we drink bleach and shine UV light up our oracfices. Then unleashes a mob of hillbillies on the Capital to kill cops and the VP, that's just for starters.

P.S. As to Obamas birth certificate, as to you admitting to that farce, what makes you think the other conspiracy theories you are chasing are true? LOL.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2711322]But Putler has learned a few lessons from Adolf Hitler. And Stalin. Hitler annexed "Sudetenland" with same argumentation as Putler uses today.

Only difference: Hitlers army was really welcome with (some) flowers.

Stalin annexed part of Finland having "Security Concerns", because border to Finland was too close to Leningrad (St. Petersburg).

Western countries believed, that Hitlers aggression would be finished, after grabbing "Sudetenland".

They were wrong.

Not to make same mistake with Putler again. For whom the Baltics or Moldova might be next countries of interest.[/QUOTE]Good post, there's just no "security concerns. " The only concern is swallowing up Ukraine. They want the farmlands and the ports, and couldn't care less about borders with their refusal to complain about Finnish borders. The only problem here is the American far right, with their insistent on deep throating Putin's puny cock, and swallowing the cum of course. Yo.