Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Routard;2543858] It's just the idea that you might have a son or a daughter somewhere in a shithole country raised by a hooker in a RLD with no perspective of future than ending up also in prostitution. This is the latest headnews in Colombia: [URL]https://www.infobae.com/america/colombia/2021/03/18/no-creo-que-la-nina-este-muerta-expareja-de-la-mama-de-sara-sofia-menor-desaparecida-en-bogota/.[/URL] It's about a 2 years old daughter of a prostitute, abused and killed by her mother and throwed away in a river in Bogota. The girl is blonde with blue eyes, no doubt the real father is a gringo as the mother is a morena, which means that the father could be one of us on this board. I know BBFS is inevitable for an experienced monger, my advice is to consider vasectomy.[/QUOTE]I agree. While I don't believe that vaginal sex is as safe as Elvis makes it sound (but I'd love to be proven wrong by being referred to a reliable source of that statistics), the mere possibility of my flesh and blood being raised or abused in a third-world country is enough for me to keep it on, no matter how much I'd love to go bare.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2543526]I understand the thinking too whether it is correct or not is a different matter. If you are a monger, you fall into one of two categories: either you realize American sex prison policies are bullshit or you believe it and feel guilty about it. The first few times I did this and was not faithful to my ex-wife, I considered myself a loser. So I went through things researched a ton and realized that my behavior was normal. Monogamy was not a Biblical or Christian construct but a response to syphilis in the 1500's. This is also when sexuality and morality really came into play because syphilis may be as bad a disease as there is with some people.[/QUOTE]My reason was simpler. She arrived a few months before me and had too much free time in a new city and I wanted a companion so we were a match. Unlike most girls on SA, she lives a trouble free life, a little too naive. She probably thought sex would be fine after the clean STD test results. She came close to being a real girl friend and secretary at the same time so I don't want to hurt her feeling by getting her sick.

On the same trip, I had a session with a hooker who coughed blood after the session. I did not have sex for 2 weeks after that because I don't want to spread disease to anyone in case I got something from her. I also met another SA girl who was stranded there but she lied about her actual location which was about 2 hours from me. I could tell she was stressed and disappointed when we couldn't have an agreement due to the distance. I thought about it for a couple of days, then I contacted her to pay her rent and living expenses for free and did not meet her in person.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2544032]I agree. While I don't believe that vaginal sex is as safe as Elvis makes it sound (but I'd love to be proven wrong by being referred to a reliable source of that statistics), the mere possibility of my flesh and blood being raised or abused in a third-world country is enough for me to keep it on, no matter how much I'd love to go bare.[/QUOTE]Older mongers like myself have been more fortunate than the younger ones. I've been lucky enough to have mongered bareback for 20 years during the 1970's and 1980's when condom sex was just not done. During that time though I was not as lucky at the BB mongers on this board who never get STDs. I got various types of STDs on numerous occasions resorting eventually to befriending a pharmacist and having my own store of anti-biotics. Then came AIDS and for me even more troubling anti-biotic resistant STDs so I adjusted to the new normal of CFS.

I have also said it before having a daughter with a Colombian chica and having that daughter end up walking the streets of Santa Fe and being banged by you blokes is enough to send a guy bonkers.

So, I'm not as great a writer as the members on this board. Many of you should throw your stories in a book and make some money.

I got into Bogota around 8 pm and went straight for my hotel near Santa Fe.

I tried to figure out what I wanted to eat, and said forget the food and let me go and get some pussy. Based on the talk here on the boards I thought to myself, either I will be walking over dead bodies, in the process of getting robbed, then murdered, or the infamous Santa Fe is slightly over exaggerated like those who have never been to any inner city usually do these places.

It's about 9 pm so I decide to go for a stroll through Santa Fe area. A little dirty and dingy, but it reminds me of a south side or west side of Chicago, or certain parts of New York, or maybe even burnside area in Portland. I'm paying attention to my surroundings of course and taking the precautions that I normally would. I can understand why some would not want to come here, but these are the type of areas I grew up in, so.

Walk past a few lookers, but wanted to just hurry up and get the job done so that I can go to sleep. Found a blonde cuteish chica who spoke to me and I decided to just offer 30 mil and be sure BBBJ was included. Yes and yes. Went to the room and being new to her she was a little stand-offish. But we got the job done. Her BJ skills are not that great but her pussy was. I initially thought she was 21/22 years of age, but she told me she's 28. Has two children and got a see section. Scare barely noticeable. A tiny gut which I don't mind. I'd give her an upper 6 in the face but some may give her a 7. Its all subjective. A nice ass to grab. And cute titties to suck on hold and look at. I am a tittie man. Hers are natural not huge but they aren't non existent either. She's offered me everything on the menu with no upcharge (not that I've partaken in everything). TLN has been 150 mil. I'm quite new to mongering as I've never done so before just a couple months ago in Mexico. I'm not new to women at all though LOL. Not sure if some will think I over paid, but hey, my first chicka here in Colombia. 30 mil for BBBJ and full service I won't complain. And again, 150 mil for TLN. I've collected a few numbers of regular 9-5 workers just as I was walking around today so we'll see how that plays out also.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2543709]Would you recommend any (legitimate) literature or books about this finding?[/QUOTE]Here is one on syphilis: [URL]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/case-closed-columbus/[/URL].

Then there is the phrase in the marriage vows "forsaking all others".

[URL]https://justcallmecharley.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/meaning-of-marriage-vows-forsaking-all-others/[/URL]

The phrase "forsaking all others" is not technically part of the marriage vows but is included in the Declaration of Consent from the Book of Common Prayer of the Anglican Church published in 1549. The marriage ceremony outlined in the Book of Common Prayer is the basis for most weddings in the United States.

[QUOTE=TravelingDom;2544321]It's about 9 pm so I decide to go for a stroll through Santa Fe area. I can understand why some would not want to come here, but these are the type of areas I grew up in, so.

Found a blonde cuteish chica who spoke to me and I decided to just offer 30 mil and be sure BBBJ was included. Yes and yes. She's offered me everything on the menu with no upcharge (not that I've partaken in everything). TLN has been 150 mil. I'm quite new to mongering as I've never done so before just a couple months ago in Mexico. I'm not new to women at all though LOL. 30 mil for BBBJ and full service I won't complain. And again, 150 mil for TLN.[/QUOTE]All you have to do now is say that you don't speak Spanish and I will lose it. A man's first time there and he is not getting upcharged, getting normal non-exorbitant prices, and most of all he did not die. You made it sound simple as fuck. Man you need to teach mongering classes to some of these people. Oh, and you went at night too, you badass. See now you are just showing off!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2544333]All you have to do now is say that you don't speak Spanish and I will lose it. A man's first time there and he is not getting upcharged, getting normal non-exorbitant prices, and most of all he did not die. You made it sound simple as fuck. Man you need to teach mongering classes to some of these people. Oh, and you went at night too, you badass. See now you are just showing off![/QUOTE]Base on his screen name, sounds like he is Dominican, so walking around santa fe at night is just like walking around in guaricano.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2544333]All you have to do now is say that you don't speak Spanish and I will lose it. A man's first time there and he is not getting upcharged, getting normal non-exorbitant prices, and most of all he did not die. You made it sound simple as fuck. Man you need to teach mongering classes to some of these people. Oh, and you went at night too, you badass. See now you are just showing off![/QUOTE]LOL No Spanish but I'm working on it. But I don't believe in disadvantages with women. So, it may not be much a benefit to the SWs but I use it to my advantage with the 9-5 ers here. But damn do they work a lot.

Far as upcharging, maybe its beginners luck. I'll have to report back after I've ran through a couple dozen of 'them haha.

To the other poster. I'm not Dominican. And I don't believe any of us Americanos can pass for Colombianos regardless of our melanin or lack therof. But I know how to move. Or at least I think I do: shoulder shrug: Then again, I'm young and I'm new to this hobby. I'm not 20+ years in like some here so my experience is limited like the time on those quickie motels.

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[QUOTE=Kulibali;2544347]Base on his screen name, sounds like he is Dominican[/QUOTE]Well, you must be playing for Napoli then, LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544211]Older mongers like myself have been more fortunate than the younger ones. I've been lucky enough to have mongered bareback for 20 years during the 1970's and 1980's when condom sex was just not done. During that time though I was not as lucky at the BB mongers on this board who never get STDs. I got various types of STDs on numerous occasions resorting eventually to befriending a pharmacist and having my own store of anti-biotics. Then came AIDS and for me even more troubling anti-biotic resistant STDs so I adjusted to the new normal of CFS.

I have also said it before having a daughter with a Colombian chica and having that daughter end up walking the streets of Santa Fe and being banged by you blokes is enough to send a guy bonkers.[/QUOTE]I'm a little younger and my sex life started in the 80-s. In my old country there was no AIDS epidemy and no half-decent condoms either, so we didn't really concern ourselves with that shit. I began using condoms when I moved to the States in the early 90's and learned all that shit about AIDS. And the prospect of an accidental offspring tying me down was terrifying too, so it was a no-brainer, really.

I must admit I do hate condoms, though, and getting older I hate them more and more, but the risk is real, and the alternatives are bleak.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2543385]All I am saying is that when people pay more, they expect more. You are talking like $10 Santa Fe chicks pull out all the stops when they don't. You see all the time reports saying they had to pay extra for this that and the other at casas and the like.

Guys are not paying $90 per month for a subscription plus top money to these chicks to be limited in what they will do and be centavoed and pesoed for extras. The extras are coming with the price of admission.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting post, Mr. E, and it has been debated for decades. Do you get what you pay for? In general, I think it is true, but there are things more important than money for some women.

So one seeking girl I tell her my sugar daddy schtick, and she is down with being one of my SBs and I say I expect SBs to bareback me but she did not want to talk money but safety. She wanted to know if I had been tested, and I showed her my tests and then she was good to go with barebacking. So it was not money that did it.

She was really good in bed but I could tell she was not giving 100%, and I think she was uncertain about the whole arrangement. So my deal is that I am going to meet your needs more than just throw money at you. IMO if I direct a woman's money to health and education, she is going to be appreciative but if it goes to drugs and frivolous objects, she is not going to ever be satisfied and resentful.

Thing is that I do not really care how much I spend on items like health and education then as long as it really is going to that. I get that people may not buy this Biblical phrase from Jesus but I do. Jesus warned us about this when he said, "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal."

So my thing is that if you really try to improve the life of another person, you get rewarded for it maybe not right away but you do. That is what I mean by investment. So with her, she has anemia, an eye issue, and her knees are killing her. I go to a pharmacy and get her medications. All I ask for money wise is for generics, and when the bill comes due, I just paid it. It was less than a $100, but I really was not counting as the total got higher. I also bought her some tennis shoes and a bikini so she could swim in the hotel pool. A lot of times you do something to make someone feel better, and it is forgotten quickly, and I did not think I was going to get an immediate benefit to it.

But I was wrong. She loves her shoes. She feels great walking in them. She has taken her medication and feels better. When we get back to the hotel, she then throws me on the bed and fucks the shit out of me. This is what I knew was there and was hoping to get from her, genuine desire, and I am not sure you can really buy that. If I had paid this girl $500 and she felt lousy, I am not sure that she would have performed as she did.

The other parts that surprised me is that we go to the pool and she is so happy. She is like a five year old playing in the pool squealing with delight. And she tells the only person close to her in her life, her mother, what I did for her.

This is where being a SD versus a john comes in. Does any parent want to here, "Hey mom, I met this guy and he paid $500 to fuck me"? If you compare that to what she said, "Hey mom, I met this guy. He got me medication, and I feel better than I have in over a year", you get a different reaction. In this mother's case it was being on my side and her saying, "Do not lose this guy. " That is something very few here can relate to: mom being an advocate for you and not an enemy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2543385]It is the same with the middle east guys flying chicks in to let them number 2 on them. Those are not $10 Santa Fe chicks agreeing to be shit on believe it or not. Those are chicks that probably not many of us on this board can afford.[/QUOTE]Maybe there are gals that the Middle East guys see that I have not, but I doubt it. I have fucked women who have gone to the Middle East. I have had a Penthouse Pet, been with the #1 escort on Big Dog back in the day, been with Maxim models, and porn stars, but the best women I have met from seeking are better than all of them.

JJBee has accused me of bragging about my best experiences, but the truth is that this past week in Bogota I had three below average and three great ones. The three great times were all with women I had seen before. I just think guys want to read more about the great times than the bad or average ones.

The best one was a model from the coast. The last time I went she ruined two days for me in Bogota because she fucked me for so hard and so long that she drained me. I did not see her a second time that trip and I really was not sure why. She was so hot and so good in bed, I had to think about why and subconsciously I rejected her thinking, "What is someone so hot and so good in bed doing with me? There must be something wrong with her. " Shit, she did not even ask for money.

But it was more the sex than the looks that was intimidating to me. She has a fashion model body which means long legs but small tits and her ass was not as tight as I like but having a looser ass meant there was a better wiggle when she walked.

So I think this woman could be a Price is Right Model but I am not sure she is in the top 10 looks wise of the women I have been with. What she did have and it may have been #1 in terms of looks was presence. When we went to the hotel restaurant, every guy stared. When we walked down the street at 8 AM and she is draped around me normally that would prevent other men from gawking. With her, it did not do shit. So many guys honked their horns at her, it was like she was going to cause an accident. And then when we were walking and pass a guy, it was like half the men stopped, turned back, and looked at her ass, and they were not subtle about it. What got me was that she was almost oblivious to it like this is normal for every woman. She was wearing a mini skirt, is tall, and showed off her legs and sexy walk. That is what made guys go nuts.

But it was the sex part that got me. The woman could not get enough. I had to pace myself with her and hold my back my cum this time so I was not drained and it worked. I was able to somewhat keep up with her and not get so drained.

Still, I had to know the why me part, right? So I basically asked and what she said, and I believe, is that I understood her so quickly. She gets bored easily and wants to engage in extreme activities to get her high, and I told her we would travel to places where she could do the extreme sports.

The other part is that not only did she have a very possessive ex boyfriend, but her older brother was obsessed with protecting her as well. The ex-BF went through her phone, demanded to know who she met with, demanded to know where she was all the time, and it wore her down. Once again, I knew the new was most important to her as was her freedom to do the new. So when I did my sugar daddy schtick and say when we are together, we are together but you can see whomever you want when we are apart (as can I), that was appealing to her.

I have paid for "the best" for and sometimes I got a great experience and sometimes I did not, but there is only one other time I have had a had a woman with as much passion to fuck with me as with this girl, and I am not sure if you can buy desire.

I talked to this girl about going to Mexico and hanging out with my two Mexican SBs and how much fun it would be. She hesitated. I wondered why. She didn't say no, but she was not enthusiastic about it. I woke up the next day and said to her "I know why you do not want to go with the other women. You are afraid you are not going to get enough sex." And she smiles and basically said yes. I have never had a hot woman worry about not getting enough sex.

I think this girl is in a freedom phase but eventually I am going to get old for her too. She will need a guy in her life that is going to force her to be organized, and that is not going to be me. So I doubt this is going to be a long ride with her, but I am going to enjoy the ride nonetheless.

So Mr. E I agree with you that if you paid 50,000 COP to the same girl that I paid 300,000 to, we would have the same sexual experience. I just am not so sure if you have a john mindset that all that matters is money that you get a girl like this. If she perceived that you were using money to control her, IMO she would not be open to you.

Again, I get that guys do not believe that a price is right type model fucked the shit out of me and did not ask for any money. I joked with one member here, "The guys here are not going to believe me. Shit, I was there, and I do not believe me", but it happened. And that is the other part, if you do not believe women like this exist, are you ever going to find one? I think the answer to that is no.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2544430]Well, you must be playing for Napoli then, LOL.[/QUOTE]Ha ha, nice one LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2544490]So I doubt this is going to be a long ride with her, but I am going to enjoy the ride nonetheless.[/QUOTE]You have to do that with everybody because you just don't know. I have talked to chicks and the next day they just disappear. Recently happened with a chick in Dominican Republic. Laughing and gigling one day and the next day she disappeared into thin air. Next time I was in town I went by the salon that she owns and it was still there but it was closed. No idea what the duck happened to her.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2544490]So Mr. E I agree with you that if you paid 50,000 COP to the same girl that I paid 300,000 to, we would have the same sexual experience. I just am not so sure if you have a john mindset that all that matters is money that you get a girl like this.[/QUOTE]What you describe is my definition of GFE. I see most guys saying it means whether the chick is going to kiss you or not, but that has never been my sense of the meaning. In the good old days in Rio damn near every chick was the way you described your interactions with this chick. And I guess that is why so many guys fell for them.

You did not look at them as hookers because they would hang out with you forever doing whatever so there seemed to be chemistry. I even had one that on Sundays I would gather my friends up and she would gather her friends up and we would go to the supermarket and they would make a big Sunday feast for us at her house. You can't buy that and it seems to be a lost art these days.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2544490]This is an interesting post, Mr. E, and it has been debated for decades. Do you get what you pay for? In general, I think it is true, but there are things more important than money for some women.

So one seeking girl I tell her my sugar daddy schtick, and she is down with being one of my SBs and I say I expect SBs to bareback me but she did not want to talk money but safety. She wanted to know if I had been tested, and I showed her my tests and then she was good to go with barebacking. So it was not money that did it.

She was really good in bed but I could tell she was not giving 100%, and I think she was uncertain about the whole arrangement. So my deal is that I am going to meet your needs more than just throw money at you. IMO if I direct a woman's money to health and education, she is going to be appreciative but if it goes to drugs and frivolous objects, she is not going to ever be satisfied and resentful.

Thing is that I do not really care how much I spend on items like health and education then as long as it really is going to that. I get that people may not buy this Biblical phrase from Jesus but I do. Jesus warned us about this when he said, "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal.".[/QUOTE]Great post, I'm guessing you are speaking over the heads of most, you can't teach AP calculus to pre-schoolers Elvis.

Most guys are clueless including but maybe even especially the married non mongers.

This can be done on any stratum in the mongering or non mongers milieux.