Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2544490]This is an interesting post, Mr. E, and it has been debated for decades. Do you get what you pay for? In general, I think it is true, but there are things more important than money for some women.

So one seeking girl I tell her my sugar daddy schtick, and she is down with being one of my SBs and I say I expect SBs to bareback me but she did not want to talk money but safety. She wanted to know if I had been tested, and I showed her my tests and then she was good to go with barebacking. So it was not money that did it.

She was really good in bed but I could tell she was not giving 100%, and I think she was uncertain about the whole arrangement. So my deal is that I am going to meet your needs more than just throw money at you. IMO if I direct a woman's money to health and education, she is going to be appreciative but if it goes to drugs and frivolous objects, she is not going to ever be satisfied and resentful.

Thing is that I do not really care how much I spend on items like health and education then as long as it really is going to that. I get that people may not buy this Biblical phrase from Jesus but I do. Jesus warned us about this when he said, "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal."

So my thing is that if you really try to improve the life of another person, you get rewarded for it maybe not right away but you do. That is what I mean by investment. So with her, she has anemia, an eye issue, and her knees are killing her. I go to a pharmacy and get her medications. All I ask for money wise is for generics, and when the bill comes due, I just paid it. It was less than a $100, but I really was not counting as the total got higher. I also bought her some tennis shoes and a bikini so she could swim in the hotel pool. A lot of times you do something to make someone feel better, and it is forgotten quickly, and I did not think I was going to get an immediate benefit to it.

But I was wrong. She loves her shoes. She feels great walking in them. She has taken her medication and feels better. When we get back to the hotel, she then throws me on the bed and fucks the shit out of me. This is what I knew was there and was hoping to get from her, genuine desire, and I am not sure you can really buy that. If I had paid this girl $500 and she felt lousy, I am not sure that she would have performed as she did.

The other parts that surprised me is that we go to the pool and she is so happy. She is like a five year old playing in the pool squealing with delight. And she tells the only person close to her in her life, her mother, what I did for her.

This is where being a SD versus a john comes in. Does any parent want to here, "Hey mom, I met this guy and he paid $500 to fuck me"? If you compare that to what she said, "Hey mom, I met this guy. He got me medication, and I feel better than I have in over a year", you get a different reaction. In this mother's case it was being on my side and her saying, "Do not lose this guy. " That is something very few here can relate to: mom being an advocate for you and not an enemy.

Maybe there are gals that the Middle East guys see that I have not, but I doubt it. I have fucked women who have gone to the Middle East. I have had a Penthouse Pet, been with the #1 escort on Big Dog back in the day, been with Maxim models, and porn stars, but the best women I have met from seeking are better than all of them.

JJBee has accused me of bragging about my best experiences, but the truth is that this past week in Bogota I had three below average and three great ones. The three great times were all with women I had seen before. I just think guys want to read more about the great times than the bad or average ones.

The best one was a model from the coast. The last time I went she ruined two days for me in Bogota because she fucked me for so hard and so long that she drained me. I did not see her a second time that trip and I really was not sure why. She was so hot and so good in bed, I had to think about why and subconsciously I rejected her thinking, "What is someone so hot and so good in bed doing with me? There must be something wrong with her. " Shit, she did not even ask for money.

But it was more the sex than the looks that was intimidating to me. She has a fashion model body which means long legs but small tits and her ass was not as tight as I like but having a looser ass meant there was a better wiggle when she walked.

So I think this woman could be a Price is Right Model but I am not sure she is in the top 10 looks wise of the women I have been with. What she did have and it may have been #1 in terms of looks was presence. When we went to the hotel restaurant, every guy stared. When we walked down the street at 8 AM and she is draped around me normally that would prevent other men from gawking. With her, it did not do shit. So many guys honked their horns at her, it was like she was going to cause an accident. And then when we were walking and pass a guy, it was like half the men stopped, turned back, and looked at her ass, and they were not subtle about it. What got me was that she was almost oblivious to it like this is normal for every woman. She was wearing a mini skirt, is tall, and showed off her legs and sexy walk. That is what made guys go nuts.

But it was the sex part that got me. The woman could not get enough. I had to pace myself with her and hold my back my cum this time so I was not drained and it worked. I was able to somewhat keep up with her and not get so drained.

Still, I had to know the why me part, right? So I basically asked and what she said, and I believe, is that I understood her so quickly. She gets bored easily and wants to engage in extreme activities to get her high, and I told her we would travel to places where she could do the extreme sports.

The other part is that not only did she have a very possessive ex boyfriend, but her older brother was obsessed with protecting her as well. The ex-BF went through her phone, demanded to know who she met with, demanded to know where she was all the time, and it wore her down. Once again, I knew the new was most important to her as was her freedom to do the new. So when I did my sugar daddy schtick and say when we are together, we are together but you can see whomever you want when we are apart (as can I), that was appealing to her.

I have paid for "the best" for and sometimes I got a great experience and sometimes I did not, but there is only one other time I have had a had a woman with as much passion to fuck with me as with this girl, and I am not sure if you can buy desire.

I talked to this girl about going to Mexico and hanging out with my two Mexican SBs and how much fun it would be. She hesitated. I wondered why. She didn't say no, but she was not enthusiastic about it. I woke up the next day and said to her "I know why you do not want to go with the other women. You are afraid you are not going to get enough sex." And she smiles and basically said yes. I have never had a hot woman worry about not getting enough sex.

I think this girl is in a freedom phase but eventually I am going to get old for her too. She will need a guy in her life that is going to force her to be organized, and that is not going to be me. So I doubt this is going to be a long ride with her, but I am going to enjoy the ride nonetheless.

So Mr. E I agree with you that if you paid 50,000 COP to the same girl that I paid 300,000 to, we would have the same sexual experience. I just am not so sure if you have a john mindset that all that matters is money that you get a girl like this. If she perceived that you were using money to control her, IMO she would not be open to you.

Again, I get that guys do not believe that a price is right type model fucked the shit out of me and did not ask for any money. I joked with one member here, "The guys here are not going to believe me. Shit, I was there, and I do not believe me", but it happened. And that is the other part, if you do not believe women like this exist, are you ever going to find one? I think the answer to that is no.[/QUOTE]It's difficult to enjoy the typical Prepago. Over the years I've been lucky to meet my share of non pros or at least a chipper. I describe a chipper as a woman who will never be seen working the street or a place like SF. Most are students or single moms who need some help. Others are total non pros, we rarely mention money or time. As anyone of the senior members can attest to, is that in almost every Latin American country many secretaries, receptionists in hotels, shops can be had with a little game and a promise of a gift, or dinner or a little help. I've had more than my share of working girls over the years, The old tired bullshit of how much, for how long, what will she do bla ba bla.

I'm just not willing to go that way. One of my best experiences was in Lima. Met a knock out waitress in Pizza Alley near Parque Kennedy By the time me and a buddy finished the pizza I had her phone number, we met the next day, had lunch in Larcomar, I bought her a blouse in one of the shops and she stayed with me for 4 days, she would go to work in the pizza shop everyday and came right back to my hotel when her shift was over. She had a killer body and was A lot of fun, a really cool chick to be with. We had every type of sex you can think of, never spoke of money ever. I'm sure I gave her more than she was expecting but Girls do better with me if we don't get into negotiations. I saw here over and over again for the next few years, whenever I was in Lima, until she moved away. ;(My advise to any newbees in the hobby is to get out of apartments, the Mezzanine and SF and meet some local girls. Go to Unicento Commercial say Hi to any girl you like, start a conversation, invite her to coffee or a drink and you'll be amazed how open Latin women are to meeting you. I'd say you will land one out of 6 or 7.

Unless you look like Quasimodo jaja Happy hunting and stay safe.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2544767]Met a knock out waitress in Pizza Alley near Parque Kennedy By the time me and a buddy finished the pizza I had her phone number, we met the next day, had lunch in Larcomar, I bought her a blouse in one of the shops and she stayed with me for 4 days, she would go to work in the pizza shop everyday and came right back to my hotel when her shift was over. She had a killer body and was A lot of fun, a really cool chick to be with. We had every type of sex you can think of, never spoke of money ever. I'm sure I gave her more than she was expecting but Girls do better with me if we don't get into negotiations.[/QUOTE]How did you determine that she was expecting anything at all?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2544767]

Unless you look like Quasimodo jaja Happy hunting and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I'll stick my dick into almost anything if the price is right (free is best). I do love the connection you build with non pro's but that connection usually costs more at the end of the day. The older I get the more I want to hoard my money LOL.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2544959]I'll stick my dick into almost anything if the price is right (free is best). I do love the connection you build with non pro's but that connection usually costs more at the end of the day. The older I get the more I want to hoard my money LOL.[/QUOTE]I hear you, sometimes you pay them to leave jaja.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2544943]I've seen my fair share of ISG posters do this even to the extent of deluding themselves into believing these chicks aren't hookers at all.[/QUOTE]"You fall in love with a hooker, your falling in love by yourself. ".

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2544767]It's difficult to enjoy the typical Prepago. Over the years I've been lucky to meet my share of non pros or at least a chipper. I describe a chipper as a woman who will never be seen working the street or a place like SF. Most are students or single moms who need some help. Others are total non pros, we rarely mention money or time. As anyone of the senior members can attest to, is that in almost every Latin American country many secretaries, receptionists in hotels, shops can be had with a little game and a promise of a gift, or dinner or a little help. I've had more than my share of working girls over the years, The old tired bullshit of how much, for how long, what will she do bla ba bla.

I'm just not willing to go that way. One of my best experiences was in Lima. Met a knock out waitress in Pizza Alley near Parque Kennedy By the time me and a buddy finished the pizza I had her phone number, we met the next day, had lunch in Larcomar, I bought her a blouse in one of the shops and she stayed with me for 4 days, she would go to work in the pizza shop everyday and came right back to my hotel when her shift was over. She had a killer body and was A lot of fun, a really cool chick to be with. We had every type of sex you can think of, never spoke of money ever. I'm sure I gave her more than she was expecting but Girls do better with me if we don't get into negotiations. I saw here over and over again for the next few years, whenever I was in Lima, until she moved away..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2544943]I've seen my fair share of ISG posters do this even to the extent of deluding themselves into believing these chicks aren't hookers at all.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2545106]I hear you, sometimes you pay them to leave jaja.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2545110]"You fall in love with a hooker, your falling in love by yourself. ".[/QUOTE]Much love and respect to all but there is a reason why this expression has stood the test of time and experience, listen to it again, read it again, and again, and again, and again so it can sink in, here it goes:

"The only honest woman is a prostitute."

I have arrived, after countless decades participating in just about every different form and concoction regarding sex for pay and sex in return for some form of something of value and have come to the conclusion that I have total respect for the real honest prostitutes, their is no blah blah blah involved, they know what they do and say it like it is.

Those that you find on FaceBook or Tinder or SA or a Cupid site or Sugar Daddy site are all selling their pussy, period! And I love them all for it but just say it like it is.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2544943]I've seen my fair share of ISG posters do this even to the extent of deluding themselves into believing these chicks aren't hookers at all.[/QUOTE]Yes, many ISG posters even call them non-pros or ¨my girlfriend¨. LOL.

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[QUOTE=Turgid;2545287]Yes, many ISG posters even call them non-pros or my girlfriend. LOL.[/QUOTE]I have soooo. Many girlfriends. So many I can only them 1/2 hour every 2 weeks or so-- Special ones more often.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2544959]I'll stick my dick into almost anything if the price is right (free is best). I do love the connection you build with non pro's but that connection usually costs more at the end of the day. The older I get the more I want to hoard my money LOL.[/QUOTE]Luminus,

I like your post the best. I can tell you are a seasoned pro to have made a comment like that. Yeah, the interesting thing is that you are right. Pro pussy costs less in strictly financial terms. That is why guys do it. One thing that bugged me is the more serious you get with a woman, the pussy seems to fade.

So yeah, I talked abut my banging the price is right model who was draped all over me when we went out from [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. I didn't talk about the woman who asked for 300 k up front, was 20 lbs fatter than her pics, wanted everything covered, and when I kicked her out literally would have been more satisfied if I just masturbated. The thing I do not think guys get is that I get Price is Right model because I was always looking to find better. When you are doing [URL]seeking.com[/URL] unlike hos, you do not have the benefit of reviews or women advertising what they offer sexually. It is the Wild West.

Because seeking is the Wild West, you can find anything there including a girlfriend. The concept that you should put a woman on a pedestal just because she advertises there is ludicrous as one poster here did. My story got cut off because I was harsh towards that poster, but I had one seeking woman insist on my getting sexually tested. The long and short of it is that I did, and everything was fine. However, the reason the seeking angel wanted testing was not for her to be safe but because she had herpes and was afraid she gave it to me. This story flies in the face of the poster thinking that Santa Fe working girls are diseased whereas seeking girls are pristine.

Thing is if you go into seeking with the mindset every woman is a working girl you will be treated like a john. If you have a mindset that allows you just the chance that a woman is not just a working girl, something guys say you are being naive in doing, then you are going to miss out on some great experiences. As Mr. E had pointed out to me and another poster, if she is not asking for money, why give her any? You should be open to the notion that she may like you for something other than money.

Luminus, I like what you said though with regards to how non-pros cost more than pros. The reason men often go the pro route is because the pros are cheaper. I am not sure Mr. E lets that happen. If not, then he truly is the master.

In Medellin, I have a woman I call my sugar baby wife. Unlike a hooker, she would do anything sexual I wanted, but she gets upset when she knows I see other women. I will say this though. When I am with her, I do not feel lonely and many times when I am with a working girl, I can feel more alone than if I were just by myself.

It is funny though if I did add up the amount of money I gave her not directly but how much she costed me (taking her family out to dinner, helping out with an expense) then yeah you are right. I think a pro would have been cheaper if you just count the sex. If you count the hours of companionship, then it would be no. If you put value on other things she did (massage, packing my suitcase, doing my laundry) then you could make the case she is a bargain.

The real issue is if you are using your money not only to put her on a pedestal but to pay for one. Inevitably, to paraphrase Rodney Dangerfield, most women go from giving great head to great headache while costing even more money. It is THAT part that guys need to be on the lookout for more than anything else.

To me, the issue of a title of wife or GF is often interpreted by women that they have to work less hard on a relationship than harder. I will say that is one of the things I have done with her that I have not in the past. I have told her that I do not want to hear her ***** about other women and have insisted that she is not my GF. I am not going to fall into that trap. Just because you are fucking me and like me does not mean you are my GF. You have to earn my monogamy and too many guys just throw it anyway. Men say, "Uh, Okay, we are fucking now, I guess the rules say I should only be fucking you." If rejecting that custom makes me an asshole, then so be it.

That is so much why that poster rubbed me the wrong way. On the one hand, you got a guy like him arguing that seeking girls are not like the ones on Santa Fe. Then you have some others saying there is no difference between seeking women and working girls. The reality is you get every kind of woman there is on [URL]seeking.com[/URL]: from the hookers that make the ones on Santa Fe look like a bargain to the angels that are wife material.

But you are right Luminus, the angels usually do cost more than the hookers. LOL.

Shots.

You guys worthless, Unless you get your Shots.

Stop reporting Nothing.

I am trying to keep up the Map and Lists.

Report something Useful!

About where you get Laid and what is Open?

Please!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2545379]Luminus,

I like your post the best. I can tell you are a seasoned pro to have made a comment like that. Yeah, the interesting thing is that you are right. Pro pussy costs less in strictly financial terms. That is why guys do it. One thing that bugged me is the more serious you get with a woman, the pussy seems to fade.

So yeah, I talked abut my banging the price is right model who was draped all over me when we went out from [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. I didn't talk about the woman who asked for 300 k up front, was 20 lbs fatter than her pics, wanted everything covered, and when I kicked her out literally would have been more satisfied if I just masturbated. The thing I do not think guys get is that I get Price is Right model because I was always looking to find better. When you are doing [URL]seeking.com[/URL] unlike hos, you do not have the benefit of reviews or women advertising what they offer sexually. It is the Wild West.

Because seeking is the Wild West, you can find anything there including a girlfriend. The concept that you should put a woman on a pedestal just because she advertises there is ludicrous as one poster here did. My story got cut off because I was harsh towards that poster, but I had one seeking woman insist on my getting sexually tested. The long and short of it is that I did, and everything was fine. However, the reason the seeking angel wanted testing was not for her to be safe but because she had herpes and was afraid she gave it to me. This story flies in the face of the poster thinking that Santa Fe working girls are diseased whereas seeking girls are pristine...[/QUOTE]Dude,

You can't just let it go. You continue to comment on unrelated posts while desperately making connections to previous topics in an attempt to drag my name through the dirt. One minute you say that I'm putting girls on a pedestal by pointing out that [URL]seeking.com[/URL] is not an escort site and has regular non-prostitutes on there. The next you're pointing out how if you treat every girl like a prostitute they'll all treat you like a John. You're a walking contradiction. I said it before, you weren't arguing like someone who wanted to understand the other side of the argument, you were arguing like someone with a personal vendetta against someone who you don't know so you are filling the gaps with presumptions, and that's what you continue to do.

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Luminus and Elvis-.

Fantastic posts. Among the most insightful in a while on the whole Pro vs NonPro.

No question that NonPro are more costly and consume a lot more hours. Each monger has their own objectives of course. For some, SF is the only way and anything else is a waste of time and money.

For me, top on my list is GFE. TLN or longer. Passion rather than appearance. Prefer MILF / maduro. Rather repeat with the same sure thing than roll the dice in search of something else.

Here's my take on the site options and what you find. I've been visiting to BOG often - 25 trips in 11 years. I really want to get your point of view and feel free to contradict, so have at it.

Pro sites in no particular order:

1- PhotoPrepago. Surprisingly what you see is what you get, 90% of the time for me. Quite different from similar sites in other countries where it's very likely that you get someone entirely different from what you see or photos are very old / retouched. Performance is YMMV. User reviews are sometimes accurate, sometimes fake.

2- mileroticos. Highest number of listings by far. More than a few are from casas or SF but will list that they are from elsewhere. In my experience, most unreliable (no show, no answer, different chica). Most numerous listings / most useful when traveling outside of BOG + MDE. But, I've also found some BOG gems here.

3- Niisha / solitasparati. Limited roster, but high quality. Not cheap.

4- LaCelestina. Looks great. Expensive. Very limited experience and I want to get your input.

Pro / NonPro:

1- SA. I'm only trying for the first time. It seems very different in COL than in US. Seems most profiles / chats I connect with are looking for husband rather than NSA.

2- CC. I've done 1 month memberships a few times over the past decade. Maybe it is me, but the demographic has changed. Seems it is filled with nonpros looking for marriage. You'll see honesta y fiel and similar listed in their description and what they are looking for. It will take a lot of time and effort, but can pay off for certain.

3- Chaturbate. I've been flamed and accused of making up stories, but I've found this to be a great source. You need to spend a lot of time sifting thru the thousands of Colombians there, but that can be enjoyable in itself. And for sure what you see is what you get. And yes, some who appear there also have a CC profile.

FB, Tinder, Twitter. Not my thing.

I'm sure I am missing some sites. Let's hear some replies. Some other points of view on the above.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2543408]I think in '91 I was the only person rooting for Sadaam because I hated the emiratis and kuwaitis so much.[/QUOTE]I think this article by you pretty much explains who you are and what you stand for.