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[QUOTE=Chantik; 1563226]You don't advertise On CL if you are shy about about receiving money in return for sexual favors. You don't quote a price if you are shy about receiving money. And the ladies adds are very suggestive in terms of pics and services listed. Doubt she is shy about receiving money.

And your response indicates that it is more common than uncommon to receive payment at the beginning of the session in western countries. Gee. For example private escorts in Australia are all heading towards deposit fees days / weeks before a booking.[/QUOTE]In the USA, as a respected repeat customer, price and payment isn't even mentioned at all. There have even been times a provider and I have BOTH forgotten until I've already left. I have always immediately returned and cleared things up. I wish to remain a respected repeat customer with a select few USA providers. However, you can pretty much expect in the USA to pay up front.

In German FKKs, everything is strictly ex post facto, regardless of whether the sex is perfunctory and transactional or playful and GFE.

However, in Asia (in my experience mainland China, HKG, S. Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam & Thailand. Note I have zero experience in Japan) I almost ALWAYS pay after (excepting bar fines and sometimes online call girls). Those times when a girls agrees to get paid after while we are in the bar, but changes her tune back at my hotel, more often than not I will remind her of our agreement, show her my cash, and express intent to tip for good service, but only AFTER. If she digs her stilettos into the floor and demands up front payment, I usually show her the door and invite her to leave. I then either call it a night, disappointed, or return to the hunt. The reason I do this, especially if I'm close to the bar where I met my belle du nuit, is that generally when I've paid up front the experience tends to be rushed and unsatisfying, as the lass too often is counting the cash from her NEXT customer in her mind before she's done with me. This is particularly true for LT arrangements, where a girl can be sorely tempted to turn one LT into potentially two STs. When that clash over payments occurs, what it truly signifies is that I've made a mistake and misread the girl and our chemistry. So, I chalk it up to lessons learned and send her away. I tend to frequent the same establishments, and to become known. I understand some of the girls might have been poorly treated by other mongers. And I know many new girls (especially Vietnamese in SIN) are counseled by their elder sisters to demand cash up front. But that just doesn't work for me. I treat the girls respectfully, and those who know me understand I am honest and will treat them right. More often than not a girl I've sent away apologizes the next night and asks for another chance. Note however that the rules with online call girls seem a bit different. Cash up front is more of a given, but in most cases you're dealing with a behind-the-scenes pimp pulling the strings. Cindy's approach therefore surprised me. We ended up having a great time, are still communicating, and I'll absolutely see her next time I'm in HKG. She likely didn't intend it, but her approach essentially is good customer service and good marketing. Word of mouth about her mouth, so to speak.

Boils down to this with any given provider. Her body, her rules about how she allows me to enjoy it. My money, my rules about how and when I choose to part with it. Different rules in different markets and through different channels.

FWIW, I'd let my balls turn blue before I paid a deposit.

[QUOTE=Ebauche; 1563512]In the USA, as a respected repeat customer, price and payment isn't even mentioned at all. There have even been times a provider and I have BOTH forgotten until I've already left. I have always immediately returned and cleared things up. I wish to remain a respected repeat customer with a select few USA providers. However, you can pretty much expect in the USA to pay up front.

In German FKKs, everything is strictly ex post facto, regardless of whether the sex is perfunctory and transactional or playful and GFE.

However, in Asia (in my experience mainland China, HKG, S. Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam & Thailand. Note I have zero experience in Japan) I almost ALWAYS pay after (excepting bar fines and sometimes online call girls). Those times when a girls agrees to get paid after while we are in the bar, but changes her tune back at my hotel, more often than not I will remind her of our agreement, show her my cash, and express intent to tip for good service, but only AFTER. If she digs her stilettos into the floor and demands up front payment, I usually show her the door and invite her to leave. I then either call it a night, disappointed, or return to the hunt. The reason I do this, especially if I'm close to the bar where I met my belle du nuit, is that generally when I've paid up front the experience tends to be rushed and unsatisfying, as the lass too often is counting the cash from her NEXT customer in her mind before she's done with me. This is particularly true for LT arrangements, where a girl can be sorely tempted to turn one LT into potentially two STs. When that clash over payments occurs, what it truly signifies is that I've made a mistake and misread the girl and our chemistry. So, I chalk it up to lessons learned and send her away. I tend to frequent the same establishments, and to become known. I understand some of the girls might have been poorly treated by other mongers. And I know many new girls (especially Vietnamese in SIN) are counseled by their elder sisters to demand cash up front. But that just doesn't work for me. I treat the girls respectfully, and those who know me understand I am honest and will treat them right. More often than not a girl I've sent away apologizes the next night and asks for another chance. Note however that the rules with online call girls seem a bit different. Cash up front is more of a given, but in most cases you're dealing with a behind-the-scenes pimp pulling the strings. Cindy's approach therefore surprised me. We ended up having a great time, are still communicating, and I'll absolutely see her next time I'm in HKG. She likely didn't intend it, but her approach essentially is good customer service and good marketing. Word of mouth about her mouth, so to speak.

Boils down to this with any given provider. Her body, her rules about how she allows me to enjoy it. My money, my rules about how and when I choose to part with it. Different rules in different markets and through different channels.

FWIW, I'd let my balls turn blue before I paid a deposit.[/QUOTE]You are getting your knickers into a knot. My response to your original post highlighted the phrase the girl was shy to receive payment for her services, not about payment before or after service. And then you provided a link to the add which by CL Standards was a fairly strong in relation to the use of text, services and photos. You don't advertise online if you are shy about providing services for payment for services. On the contrary it takes COURAGE to advertise online.

We can be sure that the GIRL won't be shy for long, especially if she lives up to the SERVICES listed in her add.

[QUOTE=Chantik; 1563646]You are getting your knickers into a knot. My response to your original post highlighted the phrase the girl was shy to receive payment for her services, not about payment before or after service. And then you provided a link to the add which by CL Standards was a fairly strong in relation to the use of text, services and photos. You don't advertise online if you are shy about providing services for payment for services. On the contrary it takes COURAGE to advertise online.

We can be sure that the GIRL won't be shy for long, especially if she lives up to the SERVICES listed in her add.[/QUOTE]I never stated she was shy about receiving money, merely that she didn't want to count it. Actually, she didn't even want to touch it and wanted me to place it in her purse. She then thanked me for "spending money."

My inclusion of the link to her CL ad came before posting anything about payment or perceived behavior. You were the one who seemed to draw conclusions, then make blanket statements regarding common process. I merely tried to illustrate how common process actually works in a variety of locales and cultures, from the customer's POV.

Back to the girl in question, who I highly recommend, she's either very green (to P4P, not to bumping uglies), or has decided the demure damsel act is part of her "on stage persona."

[QUOTE=Paperman; 1545444]. Both advertise as VIP escorts for discerning gentlemen, but it would appear that pictures from both sites are stolen from various Asian models and actresses.

Cheers all.[/QUOTE]Wow. Thats really the first time I ever heard of that. NOT

We are 4 friends who plan to have a 2 nights stop over in HK.

Is there a place we can party?

Or a way to get 4 chicks company to our hotel?

Any help will be appreciate.

Can anyone please tell me how is the scene in Hong-Kong to find a white escort girl there are lots of website claiming to be providing white escort girls but are these girls indeed genuine and the same as what they put on their website. Is there any other genuine website of agency which has the same model what they show on their website?

As a visitor to HK Learning the punting idiosyncracies of a new city is always an interesting curve, first impressions can sometimes be insightful. I had done a scan of the 141 and 161 websites and from there narrowed the target destination down to Sham Shui Po, based on the large amount of girls available around there. The 141 website in particular is helpful in that you can select a street, (preferably the one you are standing on, and it will list all the available walk ups on that street). Navigation for dummies really.

Having limited time to sneak away from Lady OS without raising suspicions, I caught the MTR from Sha Tin. First visit was a Sunday afternoon and emerging from the MTR was a reminder of just how busy this city gets. Lots of Indonesian girls milling around and If one had a place to take them and a little bahasa. I think it would be fairly easy to dispense with the walk ups.

One of my aims was to see how easy it was to get BBFS, having got this first time last year with a 141 walk up. My general rule of thumb is to offer the initial price again as an inducement. This works in a surprising amount of instances.

The places are quite easy to spot for out of town mongers once you recognise the signs, they are always up a dingy stairway one or two levels above the street. The entrance will generally have a pink flourescent light fitting above it and often a crudely written a, b, c,d, e. This designates the rooms. Climb up. The girls who are busy will have turned the signs on their doors to "WAIT", if she is free, it will say "BELL"

Being a Sunday it was busy. Not so many were free. Quality was varied from nice to run as fast as you can. A warning for mongers from other jurisdictions is that I believe the rules for these girls is that once you cross the threshold into the room, afee becomes payable. A funny story on that later.

Of three ladies, the first two refused my inducements to forget the condom. The third who was quite a good looking girl did not hesitate. It was all OS could do to not come in a lovely feeling pussy with big Firm C cup mammaries in my face. Got dressed washed upand hot footed it back to Sha Tin. Having saved my seed. Whew!

My next HK discovery was two mornings later. Up early I caught the MTR back to Sham Shui Po at seven AM, this is better. HK in the mornings is a different place before everybody gets up. The pink flouro fittings stood out up all the streets. This was a morning run with a difference. Up stairs, down stairs quite a workout really. On to the next light. Some places were locked, a surprising amount were not but the WAIT signs were out in force. A few still had the BELL sign out and I was recieved by two ladies. One of whom I crossed the doorway too quickly before realising this woman was of considerable years. But she wouldn't let me out. Each time I pulled at the door she pushed it shut. She was strong so strong! Finally as I was running out of puff, OS had to concede defeat and handed over 200HKD and voila! She let me out. OS took off down the stairs feeling pretty sheepish. But thems the rules it seems.

Capped my morning run off with a visit back to my BBFS babe of two days earlier. This time I let a big load go inside of her while sucking on one of her oversize nipples Yum, it felt so good. Bolted back down my last set of stairs, down into the MTR and emerged from the Elevator in Sha Tin 15 minutes later with a fresh coffee in hand Just as Lady OS was contemplating getting out of bed. Nothing like a morning walk to start the day.

All in all, these girls were mostly 6/10 their rooms were all spotlessly clean despite the surroundings. I did one extended afternoon foray through this district a week later but out of around eight girls, only one would do BB. Most did BBBJ. A lot of effort for limited success but thats how you learn to punt.

Hope that helps.

OS

Hello, Long time lurker first time poster.

Although I have visited HK in the past before, work has been such that I've had very few opportunities to actually get out for some mongering. However, I finally had a trip recently where I would have some time away from colleagues and decided to finally give it a go.

After going through the thread, I decided to try my luck at 37 Dundas. From RTFF, I was aware that once I got in I would be presented with a couple of not great options initially. This is exactly what happened and I told the mama-san I wanted to see other options. Unfortunately, I spent 5 minutes arguing with the mama-san who kept insisting that there were no options available. It was getting late so I gave up and asked to see the initial girls again.

I went with one who smiled a little more and who seemed to have a slightly better figure (of course that would turn out be wishful thinking). Up the stairs to the hotel, where surprisingly I was only asked to pay 100 HKD instead of the 120 HKD I was expecting. Once in the room, the clothes come off and it's clear that there was a lot of help from the wonder bra. After a quick shower, we proceed to a quick BBBJ, followed by missionary and doggie.

To be honest, I had had a few whiskeys earlier that day and wasn't likely to cum very soon. She didn't seem very happy about how long I was taking though and wanted to switch to a HJ. That wasn't going to really help so I asked her to switch to a BJ which wasn't well received, until I proposed a 100 HKD tip. The service got pretty enthusiastic at this stage and I eventually finished off a few minutes later.

On the whole I didn't find it a great experience. Any suggestions from experienced members on how to get a better experience?

[QUOTE=Offshore Swell; 1565741].

Having limited time to sneak away from Lady OS without raising suspicions, I caught the MTR from Sha Tin. First visit was a Sunday afternoon and emerging from the MTR was a reminder of just how busy this city gets. Lots of Indonesian girls milling around and If one had a place to take them and a little bahasa. I think it would be fairly easy to dispense with the walk ups.

One of my aims was to see how easy it was to get BBFS, having got this first time last year with a 141 walk up. My general rule of thumb is to offer the initial price again as an inducement. This works in a surprising amount of instances.

The places are quite easy to spot for out of town mongers once you recognise the signs, they are always up a dingy stairway one or two levels above the street. The entrance will generally have a pink flourescent light fitting above it and often a crudely written a, be, see, the, e. This designates the rooms. Climb up. The girls who are busy will have turned the signs on their doors to "WAIT", if she is free, it will say "BELL"

Being a Sunday it was busy. Not so many were free. Quality was varied from nice to run as fast as you can. A warning for mongers from other jurisdictions is that I believe the rules for these girls is that once you cross the threshold into the room, afee becomes payable. A funny story on that later.

Of three ladies, the first two refused my inducements to forget the condom. The third who was quite a good looking girl did not hesitate. It was all OS could do to not come in a lovely feeling pussy with big Firm C cup mammaries in my face. Got dressed washed upand hot footed it back to Sha Tin. Having saved my seed. Whew!

My next HK discovery was two mornings later. Up early I caught the MTR back to Sham Shui Po at seven AM, this is better. HK in the mornings is a different place before everybody gets up. The pink flouro fittings stood out up all the streets. This was a morning run with a difference. Up stairs, down stairs quite a workout really. On to the next light. Some places were locked, a surprising amount were not but the WAIT signs were out in force. A few still had the BELL sign out and I was recieved by two ladies. One of whom I crossed the doorway too quickly before realising this woman was of considerable years. But she wouldn't let me out. Each time I pulled at the door she pushed it shut. She was strong so strong! Finally as I was running out of puff, OS had to concede defeat and handed over 200HKD and voila! She let me out. OS took off down the stairs feeling pretty sheepish. But thems the rules it seems.

Capped my morning run off with a visit back to my BBFS babe of two days earlier. This time I let a big load go inside of her while sucking on one of her oversize nipples Yum, it felt so good. Bolted back down my last set of stairs, down into the MTR and emerged from the Elevator in Sha Tin 15 minutes later with a fresh coffee in hand Just as Lady OS was contemplating getting out of bed. Nothing like a morning walk to start the day.

All in all, these girls were mostly 6/10 their rooms were all spotlessly clean despite the surroundings. I did one extended afternoon foray through this district a week later but out of around eight girls, only one would do BB. Most did BBBJ. A lot of effort for limited success but thats how you learn to punt.

Hope that helps.

OS[/QUOTE]Eventually, we will go to your funeral.

Then your SO's funeral.

Just my opinion.

Enjoy and report, covered.

P13.

[QUOTE=Pushkin13; 1566664]Eventually, we will go to your funeral.

Then your SO's funeral.

Just my opinion.

Enjoy and report, covered.

P13.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for your kind concerns, I was getting quite worried untill I noticed your oxymoron.

Regards OS

[QUOTE=Chantik;1561958]Makati Birthday Party will be held 8pm to 10pm on Thursday the 15th May. Free food and drink. Invitation only. I will attend (if time premits) and greet some ISGer's[/QUOTE]First of all, congratulations to the New Makati for being in business for 25 years. That being said, it was a total sausage fest! The male:female ratio was like 20:1. Clearly, all the guys there didn't mind being with a lot of other guys if there's free beer.

[QUOTE=OneEyedMan;1567961]First of all, congratulations to the New Makati for being in business for 25 years. That being said, it was a total sausage fest! The male:female ratio was like 20:1. Clearly, all the guys there didn't mind being with a lot of other guys if there's free beer.[/QUOTE]What did you expect. It was by invitation only for the regulars. Not the on and off pro's (who are recently thinned out a lot). And it was not on a Sunday afternoon.

The bigger issue was the guys who go to Makati once a year, but somehow think they should receive an invitation. And some manage to get an invitation. Definitely less ladies in attendance because lots of ladies have had their refugee status claim processed (unsuccessfully). I imagine that after the Indo helpers stop coming in 2017 there will be more visiting on tourist visa's. There was another visit by immigration / police to Wabchai last night. They seem to be visiting more often!

[QUOTE=Chantik;1568380]The bigger issue was the guys who go to Makati once a year, but somehow think they should receive an invitation. And some manage to get an invitation. Definitely less ladies in attendance because lots of ladies have had their refugee status claim processed (unsuccessfully). I imagine that after the Indo helpers stop coming in 2017 there will be more visiting on tourist visa's. There was another visit by immigration / police to Wabchai last night. They seem to be visiting more often![/QUOTE]I always get invitations for the various parties when I ask the door people nicely. Maybe they know me and that I always buy drinks and don't cause trouble, but it seems that all you have to do to get an invitation is just ask.

Chantik, please elaborate on what's changing with Indonesian domestic helpers. Are many of them asking for asylum? Is it just for economic reasons, or there are other reasons? What's going on in 2017? Will the number of helpers be reduced by Indonesia or Hong Kong?

One other comment. Back in the Fenwick's days, it seemed that the majority of the DHs were from the Philippines, whereas these days the majority seems to be from Indonesia. What's changed?

[QUOTE=OneEyedMan;1568670]I always get invitations for the various parties when I ask the door people nicely. Maybe they know me and that I always buy drinks and don't cause trouble, but it seems that all you have to do to get an invitation is just ask.

Chantik, please elaborate on what's changing with Indonesian domestic helpers. Are many of them asking for asylum? Is it just for economic reasons, or there are other reasons? What's going on in 2017? Will the number of helpers be reduced by Indonesia or Hong Kong?

One other comment. Back in the Fenwick's days, it seemed that the majority of the DHs were from the Philippines, whereas these days the majority seems to be from Indonesia. What's changed?[/QUOTE]Indonesian Government made the decision about helpers. Apparently they want to send workers under the skilled category who will be eligible for permanent residency. Think Hk has started getting the / H from Bangladesh / Myanmar. There are already complaints about lack of English / Cantonese and ability to work fast.

Indo's seeking Asylum has been going on for 2 or 3 years. Lady is picked up by the police/immigration for overstay - Immediately claim they can't return to Indo. HK Govt must follow the UN rules. This usually gives the ladies one or two years extra in HK.

Phillipine ladies found it hard to get repeat tourist visas for the last 2 or 3 years. Not many Indo's in Escape now with ladies having to swipe their I'd and photo. Usually around 5 or 10.

Popped into Nep 3 last night. The ladies are aggressive with the guys. Average crowd for a Saturday night. Even amount of men and women. Actually was surprised at the number of Indo ladies. Previously this has not been a favorite venue.

I notice there is now an Escort Review section. Hope to see reviews from the guys. I may get a mention !