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[QUOTE=Retired Army]I think you are going to be tired of the place after 24 days, especially if it's your first visit. You are probably going to make all the "newbie" mistakes and get a dose of reality. It takes a special kind of mentality to stay for a long time in Thailand.[/QUOTE]

I disagree - so long as he doesn't spend more than 4-5 days in any one place, and he mixes it up between beach and other outdoor activities, culture such as temples and museums, and mongering, I don't think he'll get tired of it at all. Each of my trips has been in the 20-24 day range, and the only thing I find getting old is the long flights across the Pacific. It's not like he's planning on spending 3 weeks straight in Bangkok and Pattaya - I agree that would get pretty stale. I would also point out that he's a New Yorker (which is where I'm from as well) and being a New Yorker, he's much less likely to be intimidated by the scale and population density of Bangkok, nor taken in by the low level taxi and street scams that many folks fall prey to their first time out.

Monger 3, I think it is highly unlikely that you will be 'tired of' Thailand or Southeast Asia generally after just 24 days. In fact I consider that the minimum length stay to be worth the uncomfortable flight.

Pattaya is far and away superior to every other part of Southeast Asia for mongering, and also one of the more pleasant places to stay. There you can have the greatest variety of girls, cheap rooms, and good Thai food. Hint - eat only where the Thais eat. Never eat in a place where you see other farangs - it will be relatively bad and a danger to your gastrointestinal health. Pattaya is a pale shadow of its former self due to the destruction of the Beach Road scene, but it is still better than the rest of the world together.

Other than Pattaya, I would suggest that you spend time in Cambodia, but avoid Siem Reip: an awful tourist trap and the ruins are, like all ruins, tiresome. Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville are better, though Phnom Penh is also a pale shadow of its former self since K11 has been destroyed. Keep in mind in many of these countries you are chasing a ghost.

I also recommend Isaan and South Thailand - but by South Thailand I mean the cities and towns not frequented by farangs, such as Surat Thani and Nakhon Si Thammarat. In Isaan you can count on getting girls from 300-500 baht, and in the South 300-1000. Check out my reports in the 'Other Areas' section. Isaan towns that are particularly good are Udon Thani, Nong Khai, and to a lesser extent SiSaket, Surin, and Buriram. Udon is again one of those places that is a pale shadow of its former glory, but still worth visiting.

I have not yet been to Northern towns of this size and type, but freeler reports very positively about Pitsanulouk. Avoid Chiang Mai for mongering, though you may have better luck in less touristed Northern towns. By the way, the best food in Thailand is Southern and Northern food, compared to Central and Issan, but all are delicious.

I would add that Opebo's recommendations are probably valid if all you really are focused on doing is mongering, and you could care less about the cultural aspects of the countries you are visiting. Siem Reap and Chiang Mai are on my recommended agenda because they are the places to expose you to the cultural and spiritual centers of the Asian way of life (and BTW, good mongering is quite available while you're there). They are probably the worst "mongering" spots in their respective countries, but they are still pretty darn good in that regard when compared to anywhere in the world OTHER than the rest of Thailand and Cambodia. But to my mind, anyone who goes to Cambodia and skips Angkor has not really learned ANYTHING about Cambodia, and similarly Thailand with respect to Chiang Mai.

If you are planning on spending 24 days in Thailand and Cambodia, you would be silly NOT to go to Siem Reap and Chiang Mai for a few days each. Of course, if the ONLY head you wish to expose to the lifestyle and culture of these nations is the small one, then you could safely skip those two destinations.

Thx for the insights. Even though I am not new to hunting p*ssy internationally or invading AMPs along the East Coast, real Asia definitely warrants as much guidance as possible for someone like me. After being raised in NYC during the Dinkins administration, and living in places like Rio and Santo Domingo, I think I have the big city thing down, and many thanks for the insight on the non-BKK alternatives I should check out.

Do people train or bus it to Cambodia (Siem Riep) or fly in from Thailand into there or Phenom Phen? Or within Thailand for that matter?

This site should have a search function BTW. With all our mongering histories, its getting hard to find info as this site grows.

[QUOTE=Monger 3]Do people train or bus it to Cambodia (Siem Riep) or fly in from Thailand into there or Phenom Phen? Or within Thailand for that matter?[/QUOTE]Cheap Charlies take the land route. Personally, I flew directly into Siem Reap. BTW, if you plan on going to both Siem Reap and Samui, by far the best way to do it is to buy a 4 trip Discovery Airpass on Bangkok Airways from the U.S. before you go. Bangkok Airways has monopolies on the BKK to Siem Reap and BKK to Samui routes, and they charge much more if you buy the flights individually from Bangkok.

[url]http://www.bangkokair.com/discoveryairpass/[/url]

[QUOTE=Monger 3]Thx for the insights. Even though I am not new to hunting p*ssy internationally or invading AMPs along the East Coast, real Asia definitely warrants as much guidance as possible for someone like me. ...[/QUOTE]Well, after years in Thailand my recommendations are as follows:

Stay in nice up market hotels. You get top hotels (5 star) in Thailand at incredible low rates (from USD 70 and up). No hassle and a great retreat after stress and heat on streets.

Do avoid Pattaya. It's a dump. It's in no way related to Thailand, other that attracting low end *****s and loads of illegal businesses. It's so illegal that even BKK police would not venture there.

Do avoid Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment Plaza (in Bangkok). Well, unless you like stretch marks, sad stories and dark skin.

Do go to recommended massage parlous (loads are recommended in this forum). Escort services deliver better quality. So if you want to experience true professionalism, definitely the better choice.

Avoid Phuket. Beach pockets are still ok, except Patong. Coming second to Pattaya in terms of slum.

Try to pack in Chiang Mai. Women are beautiful, white skinned and very polite. People will not hassle you. Restaurants next to the river are great places to hang out with great food.

Avoid street food! Top restaurants are very affordable in Bangkok (Thailand overall). Without alcohol you will never spend more then USD 50 for 2.

Make it easy for yourself. No need to rough it.

[QUOTE=Monger 3]I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).

Anyhow, my primary interest is in mogering like mad, but with 24 nights, I dont want to be in the most touristy, flashy, and arrogant places for too long. I plan on hitting Phuket and Pattaya, but what other places are good sights + good sources for p*ssy. I dont need to be around 100s of girls at night...I rather like places where there are fewer bars and girls...but also fewer tourists...what is considered off the beaten path for Thailand...

Current intinerary looks like: BKK for 7 nights, Pattaya for 3-5 nights, Phuket and south for 7 nights, and Cambodia for 4 nights...where else would be worth seeing, with also p*ssy availability...

My research is just getting started![/QUOTE]


24 days/nites is quite a long time just for mongering so as some others have said, try to bring in some social and custom places to divide your attentions and then you won't feel as bored or one track minded.
I agree with others that CM and Siem Reap are worth the time even as its not a major monger destination-its still available if you look hard enough or simple ask your hired drivers.
Take the overnite train with bed from Bkk to CM is best as this saves you a night of hotel and arrive near center of city in the morning so no time wasted.
Fly into SR is best as overland road in Cambo truly sucks.

7 nights in BKK is a bit too much and should be broken up to perhaps 3 in Bkk and rest in Pattaya or leave these days free to extend your visit in Cambodia (SR and PP).

7 days in Phuket?--also way too long. If going south for mongering, suggest you also try HatYai in the south along with Koh Samui. These are major monger destination among the Malayasians.

Have a good time dude.

BTW: I also went thru the Dinkins good time era before Guillani decided to destroy the nightlife for mongers.



PT

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Well, after years in Thailand my recommendations are as follows:

Stay in nice up market hotels. You get top hotels (5 star) in Thailand at incredible low rates (from USD 70 and up). No hassle and a great retreat after stress and heat on streets.

Do avoid Pattaya. It's a dump. It's in no way related to Thailand, other that attracting low end *****s and loads of illegal businesses. It's so illegal that even BKK police would not venture there.

Do avoid Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment Plaza (in Bangkok). Well, unless you like stretch marks, sad stories and dark skin.

Do go to recommended massage parlous (loads are recommended in this forum). Escort services deliver better quality. So if you want to experience true professionalism, definitely the better choice.

Avoid Phuket. Beach pockets are still ok, except Patong. Coming second to Pattaya in terms of slum.

Try to pack in Chiang Mai. Women are beautiful, white skinned and very polite. People will not hassle you. Restaurants next to the river are great places to hang out with great food.

Avoid street food! Top restaurants are very affordable in Bangkok (Thailand overall). Without alcohol you will never spend more then USD 50 for 2.

Make it easy for yourself. No need to rough it.[/QUOTE]

Wow!

Two completely different experiences... well, if we all liked the same things the world would be a sad and very boring place

Your time in BKK - consider staying at Livingstone's because of the fellow mongers you'll be able to swap stories with and without any drop in quality.

Just quickly checked out Pattaya for the first time when I was in Thailand late last year and was pleasantly surprised.

Soi Cowboy, saw some very decent chicks there although I do accept that many will be 'country girls' but thats what some people are looking for. For me, the best time to talent spot was earlier in the evening (8pm) although I've seen reports from other mongers that say different.

Massage Parlors - agree 100%... some cracking places.

The best Thai food I ate was in the smaller cafes normally packed with Thai's... go there with a Thai and be prepared to be amazed.

Have a session at Eden... you won't regret it!

Check out the Reports of Distinction find out what suits your taste... and remain flexible... when you're bored of BKK head elsewhere.

You've got so much time mate, there's no need to have a rigid schedule. Kick back, enjoy your holiday, and shag everything in sight. :D

Jungle Bluebird has described an itinerary in the $200/day range, which offers little in terms of experience of Southeast Asia, and given the focus on high end non-local food, probably a nasty bout of illness.

Monger 3, remember that a real traveler will enjoy getting to know the common people, not just the sycophants at the five star hotel. Some of my best nights in Thailand have been spent around an open fire outside an Issan brothel, eating grilled intestines and waiting for my girl to finish with her Thai workman customer.

Please remember also that, while skin colour doesn't matter at all to an enlightened man, because of the racist Thai social heirarchy the whiter girls will be more 'in demand'; thus your best service will usually be from darker girls. But try everyone, or whoever strikes your fancy.

There is no need to pay more than 800 baht for a hotel in Bangkok, 400-500 in Pattaya, and in untouristed cities in Isaan and the South expect hotels for 120-160 fan, or 200-300 aircon. I typically budget 1,000-1,200 baht per day for Isaan travels, including girl.

Lastly, avoid Bangkok - it is a very unpleasant, hot, expensive place.

Monger 3, there is a middle ground between the pampered experience that Jungle Bluebird is endorsing, and the ultimate Cheap Charlie adventure that Opebo has recommended, and after several 3+ week trips to Thailand, it's the one that I have come around to:

I USUALLY am pretty value-oriented in terms of hotels, and I have found that it costs around 1/2 as much generally in Thailand to get the level of hospitality that they are accustomed to paying in the U.S - although the rapidly declining dollar vs. the baht may be changing this. There are certainly perfectly decent hotels that can be had anywhere in Thailand for under $40 a night, and in Cambodia for under $25 a night, and adequate but spartan rooms for even less, sometimes much less. But I recommend spending the last 2-3 days of your trip in a really nice 5-star or at least 4 star hotel in Bangkok to decompress and insulate yourself from the big city hassles that are otherwise omnipresent. My recommendations for this are the Plaza Athenee, Sheraton Grande, or JW Marriott. If those are outside your budget, consider the Dynasty Grande or the Majestic Grande.

As for the types of lodging Opebo is recommending, one really needs to be on the ground in Thailand, knowing exactly where to look, and booking it on the spot, with cash in hand, to get the decent REALLY inexpensive places. My experience is, until you really know the lay of the land in the land of the lay, you are better off setting your standards and budget higher, to the type of places that can be booked online in advance from the U.S.

I would really emphasize that while Opebo's type of trip is certainly doable for a dedicated monger who has substantial experience on the ground in Thailand and Cambodia - as he clearly does, it's NOT the type of experience I would endorse for a newbie to the area.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]
As for the types of lodging Opebo is recommending, one really needs to be on the ground in Thailand, knowing exactly where to look, and booking it on the spot, with cash in hand, to get the decent REALLY inexpensive places.
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Absolutely agree.
Most often you will need to know exact location of these places or know where and how to tell driver to located them. Don't forget that most if not all these cheaper places can't be booked or even found on-line for any confirmation bookings.

I also read alot of reports of certain locations before my actual travel there but most often the exact locations of cheaper, nicer places are left out by many because of one main reason: they don't like to let out a secret as a fear that when its time for them to visit, it will be full.


PT

[QUOTE=Fun Times69].. Have a session at Eden... you won't regret it!...[/QUOTE]Ok, must agree with that one. You may find stretchmarks and dark skin (without the sad stories though), but still it's definetely an experience :-)

Actually it is not at all difficult to find a cheap hotel in any town. Just remember the words 'rung-ram', which I think means hotel, and tell it to the taxi driver. You can also say 'mai-pang' which means cheap.

Alternatively, simply walk around the area near the train station. There should be several old cheap hotels. In towns without a train service it is a little more difficult, but near the bus station can work. Always try to stay smack in the middle of town. A side benefit of the cheapest hotels is they are often home to the streetwalkers and other low-end sex workers.

I have never found a hotel to be full outside the tourist areas of Thailand, except in Udon Thani (though I suppose technically that is now a tourist area).

[QUOTE=Opebo]Actually it is not at all difficult to find a cheap hotel in any town. Just remember the words 'rung-ram', which I think means hotel, and tell it to the taxi driver. You can also say 'mai-pang' which means cheap.

Alternatively, simply walk around the area near the train station. There should be several old cheap hotels. In towns without a train service it is a little more difficult, but near the bus station can work. Always try to stay smack in the middle of town. A side benefit of the cheapest hotels is they are often home to the streetwalkers and other low-end sex workers.

I have never found a hotel to be full outside the tourist areas of Thailand, except in Udon Thani (though I suppose technically that is now a tourist area).[/QUOTE]
I never said it was difficult to find cheap hotels without knowing one's way around the places one was looking and actually being there. I said it was difficult to find GOOD cheap hotels. I don't generally think that the fact that streetwalkers frequent a hotel makes it good, even if we are looking for streetwalkers. In general, I prefer to spend time with them a bit removed from their own element.

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