Jakarta

[QUOTE=UsPete;1706024]The lingua franca of trade in Jakarta for 250 years was Portuguese so a lot of latin words are still commonly found in song lyrics and the various dialects of North Jakarta. Latin names are still popular and often indicate the girls are Christian.[/QUOTE]Don't know where you studied history, but actually it was Dutch.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1706075]Don't know where you studied history, but actually it was Dutch.

GE.[/QUOTE]Possibly a more thorough and wordly education than your's Sinyo GE. Following the defeat of Falatehan laskar troops in the 1520's the Portuguese language became the language of trade / lingua franca and mongering in Jakarta until about the 1740's. For 80 of those years Holland was itself occupied by Spain and run as a Spanish colony with a certain amount of fury. The Batavia Census of 1699 clearly indicates the strength of the Portuguese language in Jakarta with over 1/3 of the inhabitants declaring themselves as Mardijker Portuguese.

There are PortTUGUese quarters throughout the trading posts of Java. Mostly named Tugu, all having a number of Mestizo citizens. Many of these Mestizos created during a night of debauchery in the brothels that always neighbour Tugu. A visit to Kramat Tunggal in the 80's or the Sarkem backstreets of the railway station today at Tugu in Yogya provide examples.

While the Dutch language and the VOC prospered from the 1750's during the Dutch golden age, I believe Portuguese remained strong in the language of mongering.

A Moresco nightout with the Portuguese creole sailors of man Mar. Was a renowned experience in 1930's Batavia. With Keroncong lullabies wailing through the night these daredevils who had had the audacity to hunt wild bore at dusk, among muslim neighbours would turn to hard liquor and debauchery in the evenings. Until 1940's the Tugu men wore hats and carried guns, the womanfolk a short tight blouse. They organised festivities where the men and women danced in pairs. They even touched one another to the disgust of the Dutch Calvins. Alcohol was imbibed as a matter of pride.

Betrayed by the jealous Dutch when under Japanese occupation most starved to death in the camps, never to be seen mongering again.

In the mid 90's I attended a Portuguese wedding at the Gereja Sion in Kota to help record some Keroncong. In attendance was a heart melting collection of the most stunningly beautiful girls I've truly ever seen from all over the Indies. Betawi Cristao's, Ambon Serani. Malaccan Kristangs, Surinam migrants, the Costa Jews, and the thin nosed Topasses of Timor. The Holanda (or Londo as used in Java) weren't invited.

Tambora DJ.

Okay Pete, I stand abjectly corrected. Thanks for the capsule history. I had no idea.

GE.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1706210]Possibly a more thorough and wordly education than your's Sinyo GE. Following the defeat of Falatehan laskar troops in the 1520's the Portuguese language became the language of trade / lingua franca and mongering in Jakarta until about the 1740's. For 80 of those years Holland was itself occupied by Spain and run as a Spanish colony with a certain amount of fury. The Batavia Census of 1699 clearly indicates the strength of the Portuguese language in Jakarta with over 1/3 of the inhabitants declaring themselves as Mardijker Portuguese.

There are PortTUGUese quarters throughout the trading posts of Java. Mostly named Tugu, all having a number of Mestizo citizens. Many of these Mestizos created during a night of debauchery in the brothels that always neighbour Tugu. A visit to Kramat Tunggal in the 80's or the Sarkem backstreets of the railway station today at Tugu in Yogya provide examples.

While the Dutch language and the VOC prospered from the 1750's during the Dutch golden age, I believe Portuguese remained strong in the language of mongering.

A Moresco nightout with the Portuguese creole sailors of man Mar. Was a renowned experience in 1930's Batavia. With Keroncong lullabies wailing through the night these daredevils who had had the audacity to hunt wild bore at dusk, among muslim neighbours would turn to hard liquor and debauchery in the evenings. Until 1940's the Tugu men wore hats and carried guns, the womanfolk a short tight blouse. They organised festivities where the men and women danced in pairs. They even touched one another to the disgust of the Dutch Calvins. Alcohol was imbibed as a matter of pride.

Betrayed by the jealous Dutch when under Japanese occupation most starved to death in the camps, never to be seen mongering again.

In the mid 90's I attended a Portuguese wedding at the Gereja Sion in Kota to help record some Keroncong. In attendance was a heart melting collection of the most stunningly beautiful girls I've truly ever seen from all over the Indies. Betawi Cristao's, Ambon Serani. Malaccan Kristangs, Surinam migrants, the Costa Jews, and the thin nosed Topasses of Timor. The Holanda (or Londo as used in Java) weren't invited.

Tambora DJ.[/QUOTE]I think this applies to this erudite post.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrm-rPSCIBw[/URL]

Well given that the scene in Jakarta is so terminally dull these days and getting duller by the hour I suppose there would be no harm in a linguistic-historical discussion to while away a boring Sunday afternoon.

The Latin / Portuguese words in common use in Indonesian are often the words that refer to European things that would have been first introduced by the Portuguese, thus the words for table, butter, shoe etc are meja, mentega and zapatu. So many of the Dutch words originate with things that the Dutch menheers and their wives would have needed to explain to their staff to get household chores done, curtain, wash basin, and my favourite bed pan being gordyn, wastafel and pispot. Trade would have been conducted in a variety of linguas franca; Arabic, Malay, Javanese, Sundanese, the variety of Chinese dialects, Portuguese, Dutch and English and anything that got a polyglot range of Jolly Jack Tars through the day (and night) to become our old friend Bahasa Indonesia.

However, the colourful collection of Portuguese and / or Christian-descent wedding celebrants cited below, whilst no doubt leading to an entertaining and eye-easing evening could hardly be described as typical of the Indonesian people as a whole and certainly not of the type of girl a bule bloke could expect to pick up at Milles or Golden Crown, so in answer to the original question I have no idea where these Spanish speakers the OP asked about come from as I have certainly never met any of them.

I know, for a fact, that our esteemed member Natty Bumpo is kicking ass and taking names in Jakarta right now.

I'm looking forward to his excellent reports, as usual!

[QUOTE=Sympalogy;1706465]I know, for a fact, that our esteemed member Natty Bumpo is kicking ass and taking names in Jakarta right now.

I'm looking forward to his excellent reports, as usual![/QUOTE]The thing I like about Natty's adventures is that he isn't afraid to spend some money to have fun. That is different from the majority of the posts here where people are looking for the cheapest sex possible. However, I don't think I've ever seen him post a single photo. Natty, if you read this, I'd love to see some of these ladies you are shagging.

Regarding some of the posts sometime back, I too had the same experience once.

I met a girl in BATS who wanted to party more. Headed out, gave her 350 K for an E tablet which she bought while I waited in the Silver Bird. Went to Collosseum which is a excellent club BTW. She had the tablet in small doses and we got out of the club at around 3 AM.

Was stopped by a couple of policemen between Collosseum and Malioboro (not too sure about the place). The policeman asked for my passport which I never carry. They asked me to come out with the girl as translator. Fortunately, she was quite sober.

They asked me to pay. I said that I would rather wait for the Shangri-La to get the passport out of my safe and get it to them. They talked in Bahasa and let me go. I was very polite and very firm. Maybe I was just plain lucky. I deal with a couple of General's sons for biz and knew that I could count on their connections if things got bad.

I really don't mind paying 100 or 200 K but we can never be sure about the cops' attitude once they have smelt blood.

On the other hand, this was the first time I ventured past Malioboro on that road.

Cheers,

McM.

Thanks Smoothy for the intel. This will definitely help in negotiations.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1705809]

My last visit to BATS, I met a girl I found very attractive. She was sexy, fun, and getting me horny as hell in the bar. When she asked for 1. 5 for short time, I asked her if she'd go for 1. 2 million and she refused. So I then agreed immediately to 1. 5 (lesson learned). Given the 13000/1 exchange rate, I'm ok with it now if the girl is a keeper.

.................. Gone are the days of 500 K for a stunner. But with the taxi fares and entrance fee, these girls are paying at least 250 k just to visit these places, so it makes sense.

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[QUOTE=Hilo77;1704492]When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?[/QUOTE]One spot where there is OFTEN police checks is near the Karet cemetery, just along the road of the Shangri La Hotel. The checks there are so frequent that I often used to take a long way home, going along Sudirman instead, to avoid them. Not that they were much trouble if you had ID on you, but it was just the hassle factor.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1705809]As far as the current price at BATS and CJs, in the past I had always refused to pay over a million rupiah. The last few times I went to BATS, I had no luck....[/QUOTE]Bats and / or CJs have become my mongering nemesis. I think I've got a strike rate of 0 out of the 4 past visits. The girls there (confused which is which as the same girls frequent both) only want to pull with new timers. I guess Smoothy you suffer form the same dilemma as I do, should you let on you've been in and our of town for a long tiime and can understand what the girls are talking about.

I also suffer the issue in these joint of girls who I pulled tricks with some twenty years ago coming up to wind me up, asking for drinks and warn the SYT fluttering about to avoid me like the plague. The phrase is "bule basi" which is akin to "contaminated by local indo. Men's influence / behavior".

I've gone in and even tried my best to only speak English, ask dumb questions, get quotes in dollars etc. One time managed to get a really attractive 20 year old to agree to leave with me, got up the stairs and one of the security guards casually said a pleasent goodbye in Batak and I stupidly replied in Batak without thinking.

Well, I now know how Richard Attenborough's character felt like in the Great Escape when he was caught by the German's at the train station. The girl I was with litterly froze and refused to go with me, despite the $100 leaving sweetener agreed. She said fairly politely that going with me would be like going with one of her family.

It's really become an issue for me, so nowdays when visiting Jakarta I bring along tshirts and miniature perfumes from branded stores in Europe for presents for the girls. Withe the result that my pulls on they way home and texting their friends, that they have left safely can also say the old timers aren't that bad.

North Jakarta isn't an issue so places like Kings Cross and Empornium are now my favourites but they don't always have the same chase and trap feeling you can sometimes get from Bats / CJ's or even out the blue in a mall or on the trains.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1707349]
I also suffer the issue in these joint of girls who I pulled tricks with some twenty years ago coming up to wind me up, asking for drinks and warn the SYT fluttering about to avoid me like the plague. The phrase is "bule basi" which is akin to "contaminated by local indo. Men's influence / behavior".[/QUOTE]They've been calling me Bule Basi for about 10 years now. However, I don't think that's the problem in this case. I hadn't taken a girl from BATS in quite a while and I didn't recognize any of the girls there. They don't know me as bule basi at the moment. One girl did mention to me that I had a reputation of going there and just drinking then leaving alone. That was a combination of the fact that I had a live in girlfriend for a few years, so when I did go, I wasn't able to take one home. And then the previous few times I wasn't willing to part with so much money. (When I first came to Jakarta, I don't think there was even one remotely attractive girl in the bar I hadn't shagged, so to say I just drink there is pretty funny these days.) I simply think the price is now 1. 5 million as the standard. If you wait until closing time, you may be able to get cheaper because the girl's options become limited at that point. However, by that time, all of the best girls should be gone. The girls are not allowed by BATS management to re-enter BATS that night after they have already left the bar for a short time, so the hot ones are not making multiple runs anymore. That may also have something to do with the increased price.

The slope gets ever steeper and more slippery.

[URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/14/prison-fines-await-drinkers.html[/URL]

Guess what the next step will be.

Not sure if anyone has been tracking this; long story short 2 Islamic political parties have tabled in parliament to ban alcohol sales, with same penalties for consumption and possession as drugs. Obviously extremely radical, especially considering Malaysia, with its unique sharia law and Islamic constitution doesn't ban alcohol sales.

Not trying to give my own opinion here- just highlighting to fellow mongers, as this will change the scene somewhat if it ever passes (or in what form it passes).

FYI. If colleagues here didn't know, alcohol sales was banned in ALL mini-marts (including Bali) this month.

And condom sales were banned in Surabaya to unmarried people. Or so I've heard.

"A priority bill initiated by the House of Representatives has proposed banning all consumption of alcoholic beverages, with imprisonment of between three months and two years for anyone caught consuming alcohol.

The bill on the prohibition of alcoholic beverages, a copy of which has been obtained by The Jakarta Post, will put in place a ban on the sale, production, distribution and consumption of all beverages containing more than 1 percent alcohol.

A meeting of lawmakers in the House Legislation Body (Baleg) on Monday approved the progress of the bill's deliberation to the next stage where lawmakers are set to ensure clauses in the bill do not contravene existing laws. ".

- See more at: [URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/14/prison-fines-await-drinkers.html[/URL]#sthash. DSBQVFTq. Dpuf.

Hahhaa, were obviously reading and posting at the same time.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1707672]The slope gets ever steeper and more slippery.

[URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/14/prison-fines-await-drinkers.html[/URL]

Guess what the next step will be.[/QUOTE]