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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2172293]Interesting data here about the cost of mongering in BKK, especially with the recent Smooci thread about comparing SIN and BKK.

It reassures me that I chose to live in Manila instead.

FWIW, 2000 - 2500 THB = 3300 - 4000 PHP.

Given that the standard FL price in Manila for a ST is 1500-2000 PHP (that's my price anyway), it means BKK mongering is twice as expensive as Manila.[/QUOTE]You raise a good point. You can also generalise by saying the Thai girls are prettier, but the Filipinas give a better GFE and speak English.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2172305]You raise a good point. You can also generalise by saying the Thai girls are prettier, but the Filipinas give a better GFE and speak English.[/QUOTE]Yes ED but I stuck to the objective data set which is verifiable by using daily forex rates.

As soon as we get into liveability, food, traffic, prettiness, GFE, English-speaking, other attractions etcetera then we are into the subjective opinion area, and that's where all the arguments on ISG occur.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2172040]You can still find plenty of girls for 1000-1500, although in Farang areas more might be the [I]asking[/I] rate.

Easiest thing is to go to a BJ bar like Som's Haven and get FS for 1200. Then there are streetwalkers: most on Soi 3 or Soi 4 would be happy with 1500 and some will consider 1000. In low-end Thai areas like Yaowarat or Khlong Lot rates are as low as 500 (some women are not worse looking than on Sukhumwit, though service is poor). Online, there's FanFinFin for 1000-1500, and 2000 for the top end of the spectrum.

2300 still gets you 2 h PSE at Tulip or Snow White. With that in mind, I see absolutely no point in paying anything over 2 k or so for a typical not-so-great one-shot ST, unless the girl is truly good looking, and very few are these days.[/QUOTE]Where is Khling Lot?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2172293]Interesting data here about the cost of mongering in BKK, especially with the recent Smooci thread about comparing SIN and BKK.

It reassures me that I chose to live in Manila instead.

FWIW, 2000 - 2500 THB = 3300 - 4000 PHP.

Given that the standard FL price in Manila for a ST is 1500-2000 PHP (that's my price anyway), it means BKK mongering is twice as expensive as Manila.[/QUOTE]Wait, is that standard, or is that YOUR price? You use both words in the sentence.

I'm not trying to be smart, I'm genuinely curious. Never been to the Philippines, though I've slept with a few back in the States and they were all insatiable little sluts in bed (and I mean that in a GOOD way), so.

I mean, here in Bangkok, it's easy to walk into a BJ bar for 1000; it's easy to find SW's that'll do 1500 to 2000; easy to find massage places that are 2000 to 2500 range; Thermae girls from 2500 to 3000, go-go bar girls 3000 to 3500. That's STANDARD, not just (I don't THINK) MY price.

Can you give a similar run down of standard prices for Manila?

And maybe touch on the violent crime issue in the country as well?

Thanks! Always interested in seeing the world!

Scenario #1 (assuming you know no girls previously in MNL); a Makati top end bar girl (Bottoms or Kojax & Plan B, my 3 favorite Burgos bars) barfine is 3900 p and 3500 p respectively which includes two lady drinks (it used to include 10 ladydrinks, but alas no longer), but this does not include the customer's drinks. Then Bottoms or Kojax (Plan B) girls will want 3900 p or 3500 respectively for ST (add another 1000 p for LT). Grand total 7800 p and 7000 p respectively for ST.

EDSA Complex Go Go barfines are approximately 1000 p to 1500 p less and the girls will generally ask for 3000 p for ST so EDSA girls are approximately 2000p ($38) less for ST with no real loss in quality. It is a matter of location, location, location.

Scenario #1 (assuming you know no girls previously in BKK); a Sukhumvit top end Go Go girl (Crazy House or Twister, my 2 favorite bars) barfine is 700 baht which does not include two lady drinks (so for price comparison purposes I will include them here @ 250 baht ea. = 500 baht. Then CH & Twister girls will want 2500 baht to 3000 baht for ST (add another 1000 baht for LT). Grand total 3700 baht to 4200 baht for short time with 2 lady drinks included.

Therefore, in common currency a Makati Go Go bar girl will run you $134 to $149 (EDSA Complex Go Go girls will run you around $100) vs a Sukhumvit Go Go bar girl for $118.5 to $133 for ST including 2 lady drinks. Note: In Sukhumvit Go Go's with coyotes, the coyotes barfine, not her service charge which will remain unchanged in most cases, will be approximately double so Sukhumvit Go Go bar coyotes like those in Mandarin Go Go will run around $143 for ST including 2 lady drinks.

Quality wise IMHO you can find highly attractive girls in both cities although there seem to be more doable girls in the BKK setting. I would add that service wise I like both BKK and MNL girls about equally, but for different reasons which is why I like to visit both cities on my SE Asian trips. Variety man, Variety!

And at the beginning of my Go Go to Go Go price comparison I made the assumption that I know no girls in either city. The price scenario suddenly gets much less expensive in MNL after you get to know the girls and begin to repeat with your favorites. My favorite repeat MNL girls come straight to my hotel eliminating the barfine. Thus my cost for my high end repeat only MNL Go Go girls is 4000 p ($76) for modified one shot ST (3 to 4 hours) although additional costs are always incurred for dinners and bottles of tequila LOL. I like to treat my girls well and party party.

Note: I might write up some more apple to apples price comparisons of BKK to MNL. Scenario #2 would be SW's to SW's ie Burgos Street "massage girls" to Sukhumvit SW's. Scenario #3 would be low to mid-level FL's ie LA Cafe girls to Thermae Cafe. Scenario #4 would be soapy girls to soapy girls ie Flight 187 girls to the Lord girls for example. The message I want to convey from all these price comparisons is that there are great girls in both cities and if you have not checked out both, you should. It's only money! What better way is there to spend it then on girls and drink?

So, for go go girls, there's essentially not all that much of a price difference for newcomers.

Please do this and thanks. I have never been to Philippines and am thinkingbof going there.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2172358]

Note: I might write up some more apple to apples price comparisons of BKK to MNL. Scenario #2 would be SW's to SW's ie Burgos Street "massage girls" to Sukhumvit SW's. Scenario #3 would be low to mid-level FL's ie LA Cafe girls to Thermae Cafe. Scenario #4 would be soapy girls to soapy girls ie Flight 187 girls to the Lord girls for example. The message I want to convey from all these price comparisons is that there are great girls in both cities and if you have not checked out both, you should. It's only money! What better way is there to spend it then on girls and drink?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2172263]Where would you go for a long weekend? Ideally something that has both P4P as well as some tourist sights, and is not too far from Bangkok. And not Pattaya, Phuket, or Phnom Penh (been there).

Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]How about Hua Hin? A two hour drive from BKK. Hua Hin has a few tourist sites and some girls as well.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2172358]Scenario #1 (assuming you know no girls previously in MNL); a Makati top end bar girl (Bottoms or Kojax & Plan B, my 3 favorite Burgos bars) barfine is 3900 p and 3500 p respectively which includes two lady drinks (it used to include 10 ladydrinks, but alas no longer), but this does not include the customer's drinks. Then Bottoms or Kojax (Plan B) girls will want 3900 p or 3500 respectively for ST (add another 1000 p for LT). Grand total 7800 p and 7000 p respectively for ST.

EDSA Complex Go Go barfines are approximately 1000 p to 1500 p less and the girls will generally ask for 3000 p for ST so EDSA girls are approximately 2000p ($38) less for ST with no real loss in quality. It is a matter of location, location, location.

Scenario #1 (assuming you know no girls previously in BKK); a Sukhumvit top end Go Go girl (Crazy House or Twister, my 2 favorite bars) barfine is 700 baht which does not include two lady drinks (so for price comparison purposes I will include them here @ 250 baht ea. = 500 baht. Then CH & Twister girls will want 2500 baht to 3000 baht for ST (add another 1000 baht for LT). Grand total 3700 baht to 4200 baht for short time with 2 lady drinks included.

Therefore, in common currency a Makati Go Go bar girl will run you $134 to $149 (EDSA Complex Go Go girls will run you around $100) vs a Sukhumvit Go Go bar girl for $118.5 to $133 for ST including 2 lady drinks. Note: In Sukhumvit Go Go's with coyotes, the coyotes barfine, not her service charge which will remain unchanged in most cases, will be approximately double so Sukhumvit Go Go bar coyotes like those in Mandarin Go Go will run around $143 for ST including 2 lady drinks.

Quality wise IMHO you can find highly attractive girls in both cities although there seem to be more doable girls in the BKK setting. I would add that service wise I like both BKK and MNL girls about equally, but for different reasons which is why I like to visit both cities on my SE Asian trips. Variety man, Variety!
[/QUOTE]Nice comparison, and especially helpful for me as I live in the Philippines (and can attest to the accuracy of the costs quoted) and will be going to Bangkok for 2 nights next week. I used to live and work in Bangkok, and have made a handful of visits there since moving to the Philippines, but my information and knowledge are well out of date. I did try to PM you with a specific question, but your mailbox is full.

GE.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2172415]So, for go go girls, there's essentially not all that much of a price difference for newcomers.[/QUOTE]No, there's not. Not between BKK and MNL anyway. If you're looking for a cheaper place go to Angeles. Barfines there are around 3000 - 3500 PhP in most bars and they are all inclusive, meaning you don't have to negotiate a fee for the girl seperately. Depending on her service you can give her a small tip (something between 200 and 500).

The barfines in Angeles are for LT officially, however these days quite a lot of girls will come up with some excuse after one or two rounds and want to leave.
In Manila you pay more but you usually get better service and LT is really LT.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2172337]
And maybe touch on the violent crime issue in the country as well?[/QUOTE]Don't worry too much about that. Generally speaking Thailand might be safer than the Phils but most people who take the usual precautions, behave normally and don't get (too) drunk never have any problems.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2172305]You raise a good point. You can also generalise by saying the Thai girls are prettier, but the Filipinas give a better GFE and speak English.[/QUOTE]True, and there will be those who say the opposite of that. You see that on the Latin American forums, as well. Brazilian versus Colombian. Its all subjective. To be sure, there are plenty of pretty women in Thailand, but there are also plenty that aren't.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2172660]Nice comparison, and especially helpful for me as I live in the Philippines (and can attest to the accuracy of the costs quoted) and will be going to Bangkok for 2 nights next week. I used to live and work in Bangkok, and have made a handful of visits there since moving to the Philippines, but my information and knowledge are well out of date. I did try to PM you with a specific question, but your mailbox is full.

GE.[/QUOTE]Indeed, the kind of useful info posted by a respected poster "in the know". Thanks to Natty.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171906]You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now in the Go go bars, Thermae, We chat, Craig's List, Thai Friendly, and most clubs where freelancers are such as Insanity. The price will drop for street walkers and for freelancers in the Soi 7 Beer garden. Prices will go up in Spasso, Mixx, and Levels.

Most girls will ask for 3,000 and you can counter with 2000 but agree on 2,500. The odd one will go for 2000 on a slow night.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. While I can get street walkers for 1000 to 1500, I mostly don't, as the standard of the body or the service is generally disappointing.

Better to take a reliable Oily girl and pay a bit more, or take FS in a BJ joint in order to get a relative cheapy. That has generally worked out better for me than street walkers. As someone else pointed out BJ girls are bored with doing BJs but not so bored with fucking and DATY. LOL.

In Thermae recently, cannot get 1500. I have paid more and still generally disappointed with the service. Girls seem to want to do relative quickies and not much GFE. Meanwhile I can get really great GFE times from my favourite bargirls, with stunning bodies. So I pay a premium to get a hotter girl.

I cannot be bothered with discos (maybe I am too old). Mostly just sticking to my regulars these days. It is easier and service level is sure. Tried only 4 new girls this year. LOL One MP girl great but disappeared from the MP, BJ bar girl was also great, and the other two not good enough to repeat. I learn that my regulars are always the best bet. Try something new if pretty enough or I am desperate enough.

I don't want to choose any new girl in a rush.

Hi guys,

Used that for various reasons to find company to special needs and now gone the personals, any idea what replaces that?