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I think there are threads about how to tell if a bar girl is really into you, and wanting to turn it into a real relationship.

One thing I recall is telling her that you're out of money, and asking if she will loan you some.

You know what rabbit hole you're poking your head down into. If you can afford her, just keep having fun with her. Put her on a weekly rate and have her move in with you.

There are many women who you can really be into at the beginning, but you will be tired of them in a month. No need to do anything rash, just don't be stupid.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Well the results are in.

1. Have never paid her more than 2K for an overnight. Have never given her a tip. I'm doing OK so far.
3. Have done this but couldn't find another girl who could blow my mind to the extent necessary to forget about her. Also she kept calling me, even when I wasn't answering her calls, and kept herself in my consciousness.[/QUOTE]
Strange how this theme recurs everywhere.

If I may.... may I C+P a post I wrote on the China threads as to my take about relationships with a WG. wish you the best!!

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Actually.... Mian fei (free) sex is no big deal to them, for after all, they ARE in the business of giving away sex in exchange for $$!!

And the danger here is that we as mongers fall into these traps - deluding yourselves into thinking that since you've "contributed above and beyond the call of duty" that they see how great a guy you are/falls in love with you and in turn will be with you with true love and devotion. Well..... this ain't how this works!! LOL!! All it is, is that they've now gotten you convinced that this is the "real" thing.

OTH, I say that this is all fine and dandy IF you on your part realize that this is just par for the course. Go along with the fantasy of True Love and unselfish Devotion etc - but KNOW in your heart of heart that is nothing more than a nice, romantic step up from the usual " I fuck you, you give me money."

These kind of fantasies are great to really live through and experience - but always know its a fantasy. Smell the coffee - how old are you, how fat are you, how much hair have you got? Less than your wrinkles? And her - what? All of 19, 20 or 21? Looks good, smells nice and fucks you so well?? Yeah a match made in heaven and ....... $$$$$!!!!

And BTW - QQ!!!(a China messaging system) BAAAAADDDD idea!! All it is a just another means - a long distance means - for her to extract some more "$$Loving$$" from you!! And what do you get?? Computer sex?? What is that BTW - you stick your dick into the disc player or what??

Apologies!!! Apologize for perhaps pricking some guy's ego and/or thoughts about how macho they are/thus their gal really luv yu long time!! LOL!!
(Hey - I gotta write this out once a while to keep on reminding myself first and foremost!! So no brick-bats please!!)

SEAJ
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]... if you want to find a girlfriend, there are a lot of good girls (read: Non prostitutes) that are curious about having a Farang as a Boyfriend so maybe starting there is a good idea. Camfrog, TLL, DIA are good platforms for this...[/QUOTE]

That's true, but there's another method.

Evianist, when you can speak some Thai (even not fluently) and spend some time in a non-P4P environment, are polite, clean, and smiling, you will be soon chased by young middle-class women that are not prostitutes and who are charming, smart, educated, and have a regular job. A lot of them would like to have a Farang husband. Believe me, real gems can be found if you are looking for a serious relationship and have invested some time in learning the local language.

I know many mixed couples (Farang husband with a Thai wife) in Thailand. In many cases, it's obvious that the wife is a former prostitute. It does not mean that their relationship is doomed and only based on money, but it's the case more often than not. Fortunately, there are also some successful stories, but statistically, marrying a former prostitute is not such a good idea, at least, according to my own observations of my circle of friends.

At first, everybody does really believe that he has found a gem, but after living a few years (and sometimes only a few months) with an (usually) uneducated former prostitute on a daily basis, the poor guy would often realize that he made a big mistake. Even when his companion is not a bad girl, her friends and family will very likely tell her that she is stupid if she does not try to get as much money as she can from her Farang husband or boyfriend. She will be under constant pressure by her relatives who surely know several stories (usually true, but exaggerated) where other foreigners have given and are still giving so much more money to other Thai girls than what she gets. And for not losing face, she will very likely adjust her attitude but not for the best of her Farang boyfriend/husband's interests.

Before considering a life-long relationship with a Thai girl, especially if she is a (former) prostitute, IMHO, one should live on a daily basis at least one year and meet her friends and family. It doesn't prevent mistakes and wrong decisions, but at least, you will know a lot more than what you can observe during shorter sojourns and in another environment.

I think it is still ok here as long as you are not stupid

Very interesting. I arrived onthe 8th and went to pantip plaza. rather than waking all around i walked through the red shirt rally at 8 p.m. The rally was in full cry and people were cheering the speaker. 100K people apparently. Very busy. Walked through and although it took a long time and i was the only european I felt very safe. People smiled at me etc. but all was cool.

Went out in th evening to soi cowboy and nana and everything is fine. Some people shouting etc. but all good. had a great time. Would i put off coming here. No way. i'm english. This CURRRENTLY is not like an english protest where you gets a few idiots smashing up a bank etc. This is Thailand, all done with calm.

Could it change. Of course, but then dont go anywhere near the central shopping district. Sukhumvit is fine execpt soi 29 i think which is closed due to it being the PMs home.

Enjoy


[QUOTE=Fon Tok]It always is smart to be careful in Thailand, and especially Bangkok. At any given unlucky moment, if you are not paying attention, you can easily be run over by some form of wheeled contraption, slip on a wet bathroom floor, or fall in a hole in the sidewalk. Honestly, I say this because I think this is actually more dangerous than the current UDD 'red shirt' rally and the now [i]moving[/i] demonstration.

Last night, at about 9 pm, I took the BTS Skytrain from Silom over to Sukhumvit to meet a buddy at the Biergarten on Soi 7. Other than a very loud cheering noises coming from the Ratchaprasong intersection, (where the rally is centered), there was no excitement to report. The BG was fairly busy and there were a number of good looking and semi-good looking ladies looking for company.

After a couple of beers we walked over to the Check Inn on Sukhumvit Rd. for another beer and to listen to the Filipina trio that sings there. We were politely offered [i]company[/i] by the mamasan, but I'd made earlier plans to meet my GF for dinner back in Silom, so at about 11:40 pm we caught a taxi on Sukhumvit.

As we moved down Sukhumvit Rd. there were a lot of 'red shirts' out and about waving flags, cruising in pickup trucks and motorbikes. The taxi had to reroute at Lumpini Park because the red shirts had closed off access around two sides of the park. There was no animosity or intimidation in any way when we had to turn around, just a bit of inconvenience, and a few more baht on the meter.

My GF met us at the Safari Bar in Patpong. I like the retro atmosphere in the Safari, and there are a few nice young girls, (and some nasty older ones), working there right now. We had a drink, my buddy BF'd a girl he knows, and then we all went and had dinner. From the Patpong restaurant I could see girls dancing in doorways at several of the go-go bars. At about 1:30am, we said goodbye to our friends and walked home along Silom Rd.

I live here and go out almost every night, and other than a detour in our taxi ride and a few more police than usual, last night was just like a normal night out in Bangkok. My point of this boring post is it is still easy for a monger to come here and go out, find a nice woman (or three), and have a good time. Sure, there is a lot of political [i]stuff[/i] happening at the moment, but it is highly unlikely that a [i]farang[/i] would get caught up in it unless he went looking for something in the wrong place. If you come here on holiday and stick to the established [i]play[/i] areas it is highly unlikely there will be a problem for you. Just don't book a hotel in Ratchaprasong or plan on shopping at Siam Paragon!

Myself? I'm heading over to Tulip this afternoon for a massage...:D[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Evianist]
1. Have never paid her more than 2K for an overnight. Have never given her a tip. I'm doing OK so far.
3. Have done this but couldn't find another girl who could blow my mind to the extent necessary to forget about her. Also she kept calling me, even when I wasn't answering her calls, and kept herself in my consciousness.[/QUOTE]

That was their point -- you are not doing ok so far. You're in over your head. Earlier you said you were falling for her and thinking about her all the time. That's not ok.

I have to say at this point, so far, it doesn't seem like this is getting through to you. Letting yourself get involved with this one is a bad idea. You just keep trying to rationalize it. Guys here aren't gonna be convinced. You were warned. If you wanna go ahead and do something everyone's loudly telling you is stupid, I guess you can do that.

[QUOTE=Wendella]That was their point -- you are not doing ok so far. You're in over your head. Earlier you said you were falling for her and thinking about her all the time. That's not ok.

I have to say at this point, so far, it doesn't seem like this is getting through to you. Letting yourself get involved with this one is a bad idea. You just keep trying to rationalize it. Guys here aren't gonna be convinced. You were warned. If you wanna go ahead and do something everyone's loudly telling you is stupid, I guess you can do that.[/QUOTE]


I don't think I'm trying to convince anyone. If anything, I think I probably should cut it off.

Yes I am thinking about the girl too much. I said I'm doing OK so far because I'm not doing anything stupid like buying jewelry or a house in Isaan or thinking about marriage. I'm not even tipping the girl. I met her in early January and I went the entire month of February without seeing her. I currently haven't seen her in about 2 weeks, my choice. I'm not even suggesting I try to start a real romantic relationship with her. I'm just thinking about her too much.

My query was whether I should continue seeing the girl as a regular or cut it off. Cutting it off would suck b/c she's a great time at a reduced cost. Keeping her risks getting overly entangled.


I'm curious how other people manage their long-term regulars.

[QUOTE=Evianist]This is how it is for me 98% of the time. Good fuck, here's your money, nice to have met you, goodbye. Then you meet one you can't get out of your head.

A man who doesn't eventually meet one he falls for is inhuman.


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I guess I'm inhuman! Ho's and love don't mix.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I don't think I'm trying to convince anyone. If anything, I think I probably should cut it off...........................

...................My query was whether I should continue seeing the girl as a regular or cut it off. Cutting it off would suck b/c she's a great time at a reduced cost. Keeping her risks getting overly entangled.

I'm curious how other people manage their long-term regulars.[/QUOTE]
Why cut it off. You have good thing going and keep it that. But if you are not mentally strong enough, then cut off the relationship.

I have a regular I have been seeing for the last 8-9 years. She is great company, good GFE and extremely reasonable when it comes to money. She knows it and I know it, that it is just money. Once in a blue moon I will give her something extra, just because I feel guilty about not even keeping up with the rate increase over the last few years. It is still 1000B ST and 1500LT.

So enjoy while it lasts.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I'm curious how other people manage their long-term regulars.[/QUOTE]

YOU don't manage LT regulars, THEY manage you.

[quote=goyave]that's true, but there's another method.

evianist, when you can speak some thai (even not fluently) and spend some time in a non-p4p environment, are polite, clean, and smiling, you will be soon chased by young middle-class women that are not prostitutes and who are charming, smart, educated, and have a regular job. a lot of them would like to have a farang husband. believe me, real gems can be found if you are looking for a serious relationship and have invested some time in learning the local language.

i know many mixed couples (farang husband with a thai wife) in thailand. in many cases, it's obvious that the wife is a former prostitute. it does not mean that their relationship is doomed and only based on money, but it's the case more often than not. fortunately, there are also some successful stories, but statistically, marrying a former prostitute is not such a good idea, at least, according to my own observations of my circle of friends.

at first, everybody does really believe that he has found a gem, but after living a few years (and sometimes only a few months) with an (usually) uneducated former prostitute on a daily basis, the poor guy would often realize that he made a big mistake. even when his companion is not a bad girl, her friends and family will very likely tell her that she is stupid if she does not try to get as much money as she can from her farang husband or boyfriend. she will be under constant pressure by her relatives who surely know several stories (usually true, but exaggerated) where other foreigners have given and are still giving so much more money to other thai girls than what she gets. and for not losing face, she will very likely adjust her attitude but not for the best of her farang boyfriend/husband's interests.

before considering a life-long relationship with a thai girl, especially if she is a (former) prostitute, imho, one should live on a daily basis at least one year and meet her friends and family. it doesn't prevent mistakes and wrong decisions, but at least, you will know a lot more than what you can observe during shorter sojourns and in another environment.[/quote]extremely good post, and very true. i had one for two years. never took me for money, nor did her family. but too many personal problems, her own bar history, and of course peer pressure et al. these days, i have a slew of regulars who i probably put in the same boat as yours: they stay all night, i give them far less than the going rate, yet they repeat and repeat again. i am sure your gal does like you, even if it be with the thought that by treating you very well it may benefit her down the line. don't cut it off, it will cut itself off naturally. just keep going out enough to meet 3-4 others who come somewhat close to her and keep rotating them until they are replaced or burn out and fade away. trust me, you will be all the more happy for it in the long run!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I guess I'm inhuman! Ho's and love don't mix.[/QUOTE]
Oh dear! I hope you are not a young man, otherwise you will have a long and complicated life :D.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I'm curious how other people manage their long-term regulars.[/QUOTE]

I manage perfectly fine but then again, she's not a hooker so ....

When dealing with a prostitute always remember:

You want to fuck (Dick), she wants money(Pocket)
You pay(Pocket), she spreads her legs(Pussy)
You blow your load (DICK), she kisses you and Goodbye (CHEEK)

Where does the HEART part come in? ;)

Keep the girl, fuck her, Pay her and move on.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I manage perfectly fine but then again, she's not a hooker so ....

When dealing with a prostitute always remember:

You want to fuck (Dick), she wants money(Pocket)
You pay(Pocket), she spreads her legs(Pussy)
You blow your load (DICK), she kisses you and Goodbye (CHEEK)

Where does the HEART part come in? ;)

Keep the girl, fuck her, Pay her and move on.[/QUOTE]


Ahh, silly me, I thought the French were the only romantics left. :)

Flew in from Dubai yesterday where I was working, and stopped off in Thailand for some sun & fun. I'll be spending 4 days in Bangkok, then going to Pattaya Beach for 5 days, before returning to the USA. Also, I know I am just diving in a few days and don't want to disturb the economic system that is in place, so let me know if my payments for services need to be refined. I do bargain and don't pay the initial asking price for services, but let me know if I'm off-base. I was using prices I found in this forum as my base of knowledge.

Started out last night early, went to Nana and it was dead! I was worried thinking that maybe the demonstrations had something to do with it, but then someone mentioned the Thai New Year is coming up and that's why it was empty. Everyone going home, so now I was pissed!

Headed to Soi Cowboy and was relieved. It was packed! My plan was to start off slow and relaxed, check out a few places, have a couple of beers, and just get situated. Started the night at Tilac Bar. And my plan eroded at first contact. Ended up bar-fining 2 hotties and went to the end of the street to a short time hotel that charged me 400 Baht (300 for the room and 100 extra guest charge for the extra girl). Girls were excellent service providers: Short time was 1000 Baht for each; both were interactive with me and themselves at all times, tried multiple positions. After finishing with one of the girls, they requested that we go again, and I finish with the other girl. I guess to just be fair. After we were done, we showered up and dropped the girls back at Tilac. I headed to the next place.

So now that I hand unloaded my gun, I though I could take the rest of the night at a relaxed pace. Until I walked into Baccara. The girls here seamed hotter than the girls in Tilac! I like the "naughty & nice" black and white outfits, so I decided I need one naughty girl and one nice girl to balance my time out. I started the evening with 2, so I guess I was just not satisfied going with one beauty at this place.

I also found the dance stage pretty cool (and packed), with it's see-through floor above it on the 2nd floor. I hooked up with 2 hotties here, bar-fined them both (600 Baht) and headed to the end of the street to get a cab back to my hotel. I stay at the Sheraton Grand Sukhumvit, kinda pricey, but because it's a great hotel, I'm a SPG Platinum member and it has a great "back-door" entrance that let's you skip the lobby when coming back with guests, and preventing the "walk of shame. " I ended up hanging out with both Long time for 2000 Baht each and they spent the night. Again, good service providers, finished with both, both last night and this morning. I gave each a 500 Baht tip.

So my run down of the evening cost me around 12, 000 Baht for beers, girl's drinks, barfines, girls, taxis and short time room. I have spent more than that in one dinner in Dubai.

OK, so now that I have it out of my system. Tonight I'll try to keep a more relaxed and slower pace. Does anyone have any suggestions for places I can try tonight? I'm going to chill-out pool-side this afternoon, buy some jewelry early evening, then go out again tonight. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

BlkAnjil

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[QUOTE=Evianist]I don't think I'm trying to convince anyone. If anything, I think I probably should cut it off.

Yes I am thinking about the girl too much. I said I'm doing OK so far because I'm not doing anything stupid like buying jewelry or a house in Isaan or thinking about marriage. I'm not even tipping the girl. I met her in early January and I went the entire month of February without seeing her. I currently haven't seen her in about 2 weeks, my choice. I'm not even suggesting I try to start a real romantic relationship with her. I'm just thinking about her too much.

My query was whether I should continue seeing the girl as a regular or cut it off. Cutting it off would suck b/c she's a great time at a reduced cost. Keeping her risks getting overly entangled.

I'm curious how other people manage their long-term regulars.[/QUOTE]I'm new to this forum, but shouldn't these posts belong in the "Thai Women and Relationships" section? I come to the "Bangkok Reports" section for reports on Bangkok, not some guy that can't manage his heart and *****s.

BlkAnjil