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[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Normally we cannot learn from mistakes of others and need to make same mistake at least 3 times to learn properly.[/QUOTE]
Amen.
I had my share of mistakes as well...:(
On the other hand side, the sweet are not as sweet without the bitter.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Brother Rabbit, you make us all proud. How many of us were thinking the exact same thing.
Go in for one last stab, msake it a raunchy 3sum, then kiss her goodbye[/QUOTE]
What can I say... You taught me well, it's all your fault I'm a bastard ;)
The problem is that when you go in for that last stab... they keep coming back for a few more rides with this fluffy bunny.
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Normally we cannot learn from mistakes of others and need to make same mistake at least 3 times to learn properly.[/QUOTE]
Only 3 times :confused:
I guess I'm a slow learner :)
gentlemen,
thanks for all of your advice. i think it's all good and well intentioned.
per a couple of suggestions i've already hit that "little brown hole" last year. it was quite delightful and while i am sure it is not he favorite thing. she gave it t me any tome i wanted it. of course it was after a trip to a hospital in chiang mai for few tests. but i did get ripped off there. it cost me 7, 000 baht for her test and mine but i think there was a big bill for the patholoma (sp) virus test. i know it doesn't affect me but i do not want to be spreading it.
i do always use the rubber but when i can be long time i prefer a test and bareback.
i know i should probably cut and run. i like this girl but i do know reality. i'll probably take her to pattaya for a week for a nice farewell. yeah the threesome will be a go i think for sure. she's a pretty girl. very tall and thin and she likes to screw but i know i'll miss her morning bj's. she's good.
i really had been looking for a longer time serious relationship. i am getting older. so my biggest regret is the time i spent grooming her. as i said previously. she waited on me hand and foot and was fun to be with.
the orgy is probably off. i asked her if her gf would be interested (she's smokin) but she says she does not want to ask. plus my good friend will not travel with me this year. and she said she wants me there because she is scared. i'd like to try. but? any ideas?
i think she will show me some lesbo action because again. she will do almost anything i say. i don't want to croos the line here and make her do. if i tell her she will do. if you've been with thai or asian women you probably know most will not wear tampax. they wear pads. they look like little [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] to me. one day i just told her. wear a tampax. she immediately went out and bought.
so again. she will do most anythng i say. but i do not want to cross the line where it screws her head up when i leave. so. any other suggestions appreciated. also. i am not vindictive. i don't want to try to screw her up. live and let live. i will move on!
i will keep everyone posted as the story progresses.
DG69,
It's April Fool day! you're right! like my buddies they ask for advice all the time. When I give it they go the opposite direction from what I give them because as you say people ask for it but do they really follow good advice since it seems their ego gets in the way. No one likes to be a fool, made out to be a fool or told that they are a fool!
LBM
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Taking girls on a holiday is O.K. and can work out cheaper than going to bars, but ...
1. 2 weeks is too long. Start with 3 or 4 days max.
2. You need a super sexed girl who is going to not leave you still feeling horny.
3. Watch out or you will wind up with a girlfriend quick and lively.
4. Not to be considered unless have known the girl for a bit and have spent reasonable hours together.[/QUOTE]
Good advise, but it was not a story of my experience but a story that was told to me.
As for mistakes everyone is talking about, I am going to BKK to meet my mistake this weekend. It should prove to be a interesting holiday for me, I just hope she doesn't kill me and I have to travel home in cargo instead of coach.
[QUOTE=Bob Down]Good advise, but it was not a story of my experience but a story that was told to me.
As for mistakes everyone is talking about, I am going to BKK to meet my mistake this weekend. It should prove to be a interesting holiday for me, I just hope she doesn't kill me and I have to travel home in cargo instead of coach.[/QUOTE]I also arrive in BKK on Saturday to meet my very own mistake. I will try not to fall too hard for her (I would say she's my first non psychokiller/bitchy "GF", it's almost unreal to be with such a gentle woman).
We go to the beach for one week or more then back to BKK, where I believe my best option to reduce future sentimental damage is to make discreet visits to MPs etc, . And take phone numbers for my next time in LOS. And of course remind myself that once I stop sending her money, she will need to find yet another willing fool.
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Taking girls on a holiday is O.K. and can work out cheaper than going to bars, but ...
1. 2 weeks is too long. Start with 3 or 4 days max.
2. You need a super sexed girl who is going to not leave you still feeling horny.
3. Watch out or you will wind up with a girlfriend quick and lively.
4. Not to be considered unless have known the girl for a bit and have spent reasonable hours together.[/QUOTE]
I have taken a massage girl from Pattaya on vacations. First time to Chiangmai for 5 days. We had a very good time.
Second time to Cambodia for 10 days. Although she was a fuck machine the trip was too long. Did go to Phnom penh, Angkor wat, Sihanoukville.
Third time we went to Hanoi for a week. This was fun. Went to many sightseeing trips including halong bay.
Good part is I had a Gf with me. Never felt bored or lonely. She is quite pretty and was good as a GF.
Bad part is cannot sample local girls. Being a monger used to sample many girls in a short time this was not good.
[QUOTE=Bob Down]Good advise, but it was not a story of my experience but a story that was told to me.
As for mistakes everyone is talking about, I am going to BKK to meet my mistake this weekend. It should prove to be a interesting holiday for me, I just hope she doesn't kill me and I have to travel home in cargo instead of coach.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes I understood you hadn't considered it youself. My comments were not directed to you specifically, just to the forum. I tend to use the word "you" in the perjorative (I think they call it), meaning anybody out there.
[QUOTE=Crazykf]I also arrive in BKK on Saturday to meet my very own mistake. I will try not to fall too hard for her (I would say she's my first non psychokiller/bitchy "GF", it's almost unreal to be with such a gentle woman).
We go to the beach for one week or more then back to BKK, where I believe my best option to reduce future sentimental damage is to make discreet visits to MPs etc, . And take phone numbers for my next time in LOS. And of course remind myself that once I stop sending her money, she will need to find yet another willing fool.[/QUOTE]
Without knowing, are you sure she hasn't got other fools sending her money already. My girl seems to have a habbit of finding large sums of money when she needs to, and I am not talking about 10,000 or even 20,000. I am talking 100-300,000. No point in fighting over how she got the money, you'll never get a straight answer. I just be thankful that it was someone elses money and not mine.
I look at it this way, I plan on seeing other girls so I have no reason to stop her from seeing other guys. I can't be there 24/7 to make sure she is not.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I don't think 'command' is quite the right word for it. The fair price is of course 500 baht for a short time, or perhaps, if she really is absolutely top-drawer, and thus fits a certain market, and is lucky, and it isn't too low in low season, maybe 1,000. But if someone is giving her 2,000, or 3,000, or even 4,000 for a short time in Pattaya it is because he is a fool, not because she commanded it.
Another way to put it is that a prostitute lucks out when she meets a fool - she doesn't make fools out of normal men upon command.[/QUOTE]I don't criticise you for sticking to your price structure but fairness has got nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, for all of us dependent on others for a living, we get as much as someone else is prepared to pay or as little as we're prepared to accept. Of course other factors come into the equation such as job satisfaction, danger, needs etc. I have no argument with a fellow wage slave screwing her employer for as much as she can get, especially when her job probably is seldom enjoyable and often distasteful.
Macheath,
I have to disagree somewhat. I being a average joe who like you is a wage earner and beholden to others to pay the bills. I'm as one would say a Union Man, I believe if you take a job or go into a profession one knows the going rate he or she is going to make on that job. Although the job might be a stepping stone to a better paying job later as long as you take that job you should do the best while you are there whether you enjoy or it is distasteful! What use to bother me is guys taking a job like a Union job and getting a starting wage say to me why do I need a Union or I'm going to do less since I get less! When I was young there were times like many of you that you needed to pay the bills took whatever job you had to to get the bills paid whether you like the job or not but when something better came along you got out. I have all the compassion for anyone that has to work the sex trade as long as it is of their choosing but don't expect me to pick up the slack or overpay for something just because you are unhappy at what you are doing. When it comes to fairness it has everything to do with it although life isn't always fair! We all control what is fair, if Opebo, wants to stick to his price structure that is within his right if you want to be screwed over by a women that has promised you the best sex you ever had for 2000 baht and when you are in the room she turns to a starfish and that is acceptable to you since you have no problem with a fellow wage earner screwing her employer for as much as she can get then that is your choice.
What I don't like is a wage earner coming into a job with their eyes open wide being promised a wage and benefits. Does a great job and makes lots of money for their employer while they take get all the bonuses for doing a shitty job and then asking the wage earner to take a cut in pay and benefits. This is the same for a sex worker agreeing to all your terms to provide for your pleasure and when she is taking a shower you take off on her!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Macheath,
I have to disagree somewhat. I being a average joe who like you is a wage earner and beholden to others to pay the bills. I'm as one would say a Union Man, I believe if you take a job or go into a profession one knows the going rate he or she is going to make on that job. Although the job might be a stepping stone to a better paying job later as long as you take that job you should do the best while you are there whether you enjoy or it is distasteful! What use to bother me is guys taking a job like a Union job and getting a starting wage say to me why do I need a Union or I'm going to do less since I get less! When I was young there were times like many of you that you needed to pay the bills took whatever job you had to to get the bills paid whether you like the job or not but when something better came along you got out. I have all the compassion for anyone that has to work the sex trade as long as it is of their choosing but don't expect me to pick up the slack or overpay for something just because you are unhappy at what you are doing. When it comes to fairness it has everything to do with it although life isn't always fair! We all control what is fair, if Opebo, wants to stick to his price structure that is within his right if you want to be screwed over by a women that has promised you the best sex you ever had for 2000 baht and when you are in the room she turns to a starfish and that is acceptable to you since you have no problem with a fellow wage earner screwing her employer for as much as she can get then that is your choice.
What I don't like is a wage earner coming into a job with their eyes open wide being promised a wage and benefits. Does a great job and makes lots of money for their employer while they take get all the bonuses for doing a shitty job and then asking the wage earner to take a cut in pay and benefits. This is the same for a sex worker agreeing to all your terms to provide for your pleasure and when she is taking a shower you take off on her!
LBM[/QUOTE]
A further comment, so not against LBM ...
Some of us that have special skills don't want to accept being paid the same as everyone else in a Union, or based on seniorority. We therefore become freelancers or contracters and set our own rates per hour or special price for an assignment.
I don't see why the better skiiled or more desirable girls can't do the same. Why should they charge the same price as every other girl that is ordinary or lousy? And indeed bargirls and MP "side-liners" and "models" have set different prices for themselves. Many of them are not worth it, but that is a very debatable issue. It is possible to get a top girl in the more basic price range.
e.g. Miss Jip (No. 2) at La Belle is stunning but in bottom price bracket due to not having white enough skin prized by Thai customers.
Soap Fan,
You missed the entired point that I was making to Macheath! I was merely making a argument about his remarks!
Understand your own point that you're making and that is if you believe you have a skill level and personally deserve a special rate of pay that goes along with that skill and you can command that rate although the market is saturated with guys or gals like you I say more power to you!
But my point is that if you need a job and apply for a job and know exactly what that job is paying and what it requires you to do and how the structure of the job don't take the job and then complain about you should be pay more and if not I'll do less. In relation to P4P, don't stand on beach road and ask for 2,000 baht ST, promising the best sex ever and then play starfish when you get to the room. ( response to Macheath remark about screwing employer ) As to your point, if the women believes she has a special skill beyond what all the other girls on Beach Road is offering and constantly commands the prices she ask I commend her on her skills but like Opebo remarks about prices guys like us might now ever find out because I don't ever plan to pay 2,000 baht for ST.
I have worked with guys in the Union my whole life and there are always a few that think that are far above everyone else. But when a opening for management comes up they never jump into the pool. I have more respect for a guy or gal who I used to work along with that makes the jump whether they make it or not. But the people that claims they are the best worker and they can do this and that if they were the boss are usually the biggest loser since they are full of hot air and no action!
As to Miss Jip, you might need to speak to her and give some of your advice that at a place like La Belle, which you might say is like a Union, she is typecast as having dark skin and therefore isn't as desirable as a women with white skin by Thai's but she has "special skills" then she should freelance instead of being restricted by the management of La Belle. But if she is there on her free well and allow them to typecast her as being worth less then she has made her choice. Hope you see the difference. You might want to read back a few post.
LBM
Overpayment, particularly gross overpayment like 2,000 baht, is almost always about one of various faults in the punter rather than anything special about the girl or her services.
If a girl offers extremely good services - for example hard bareback anal banging - I reward this not so much with a tip as by being a regular return customer. Sure, I'll give the good girl 600 or 700 instead of 500, but the main benefit she gets from geing a good provider is she always has lots of customers every day.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Soap Fan,
You missed the entired point that I was making to Macheath! I was merely making a argument about his remarks!
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I prefaced my comment to indicate I was making a different point rather than addressing your point.