Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Studromeo; 1264003]Also I was denied entry to 4 GoGos stating that they were for members only. BACARA, Alcatraz (Or Caucasians only). Maybe I was denied due to my skin colour (I am Indian) but heck it. If the bars are not able to see my loaded cash, its their problem. There are many place in Pattaya which will welcome me with their open arms. The bars need to understand that the only colour that matters is the colour of Money. Racial profiling is so OLD School.

Nevertheless expect this 4 bars, faced no problem anywhere.[/QUOTE]It is interesting to see how my fellow countrymen (and some neighbours) made a name for themselves with bad behaviour and lack of hygiene. 12 years back (and 20 kg lighter. As well) , when I was in Pattya for some sightseeing, I used to get solicited in front of the bars while walking around Pattaya.

Now partly due to some bad apples and partly due to some gogo bar owners trying to attract only white westerners, it has become a hassle for brown skinned people.

Personally, I do feel that while Thailand provide easy access to mongers, it is bit overrated and has become quite costly as well. I found some of the other options in SE Asia more attractive.

[QUOTE=Dominos Dick; 1265400]Whow what a report! Seminal article on a community of over a billion people summed up by the great Mr wolf hound (an appropriate handle I must say) in just 1 paragraph. There's an adage which goes like "never cast a pearl before a swine" so I will not indulge in belaboring the issues with this great man's post. I hope he's got enough pussies by now....[/QUOTE]Your handle sets off alarm bells from the off. 'Dominos Dick'? Very strange.

Well Dom, I simply tell it like it is. I'm clearly not alone going by previous posts and the ever growing list of bars displaying the now popular sign containing the glorious words 'no Indians or Muslims allowed'. It is not racism at all. Nothing more than the consequences of Indian and Muslim men abusing the girls and going 5 ways on a beer. Unacceptable behaviour in any country.

Take a walk along Beach Road at anytime of the day and you will see countless women being hoarded by anything from 3 up to 8 Indian or Muslim men trying to get her back to the room for what I would class as abuse. Degrading the girl even further by trying to haggle her down from her standard rates. Pathetic and just illustrates that Indians and Muslims just see women in general as animals there for abuse. Is it not part of their religion?

Their demeanour and actions are appalling. You are simply paying for the price for your brothers behaviour.

What are the other options you found in SEA that is better than Pattaya? Can you please elaborate?

Cheers,

[QUOTE=MikeForFun; 1265522]It is interesting to see how my fellow countrymen (and some neighbours) made a name for themselves with bad behaviour and lack of hygiene. 12 years back (and 20 kg lighter. As well) , when I was in Pattya for some sightseeing, I used to get solicited in front of the bars while walking around Pattaya.

Now partly due to some bad apples and partly due to some gogo bar owners trying to attract only white westerners, it has become a hassle for brown skinned people.

Personally, I do feel that while Thailand provide easy access to mongers, it is bit overrated and has become quite costly as well. I found some of the other options in SE Asia more attractive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=How14;1265035]Well curry comes to mind.[/QUOTE]Well my friend, that's such a generalized statement.

It's like assuming that every Brit smells like beer or every American smell like Hot Dog / burger / doughnut.

No Indian smell like 'Curry'. The truth is, a stinking man smell like shit. Indian or westerner or no matter who it is. But I don't know why people brought our humble curry into picture. Go to any bar in Thailand and you are bound to find a cheap stinking Charlie (let's not assume any nationalities over here)

Although I do agree that many Indians are involved in indecent activities. But who isn't. Haven't you seen the Russian groups haggling in a single place and treat the local people like dirt.

It's very simple. Thailand is white skin obsessed country (BTW. India too is a very white skin obsessed country). So a prank / In-decent behaviour done by any white guy will be taken as a joke and if the same is done by South Asian / Arab it will be taken as downright cheap act.

People is every country have their own perception about every nationalities. (Indian too have their assumptions. Like all white people coming to Goa only do drugs / All Black guys are either gangsters / infected with HIV and all Chinese looking people eat dogs. You simply can't change them.

Even when I am traveling in Europe. People only assume that Indian and can only be an IT Engineer or Grocery shop owner.

The thing is. India is a growing economy and since Thailand gives visa on arrival to Indians, many first time foreign travel by Indians is done to Thailand. And if you leave aside the Go-Go bars, Indians are welcome almost at every place. Go to any mall in Pattaya / Bangkok. Most of the shopping is done by Indians / Arabs. Especially check out the electronics sections. I was surprised to see that sales guys actually speaking Hindi in order to cater to Indian customers. Now can that be done for any other nationality in Thailand?

So a lot of mix variety people from our part of the world are visiting Thailand. Some are very educated and have traveled all over the world whereas foe some it's a first time air travel.

But what Go Go bars are missing out is their Business. If some bars are not accepting Indians, there are 20 times more bars who are more than happy to accept us. BTW I was so surprised that they don't even allow Arabs. I had my colleague with from Oman and he too was denied entry in Alcatraz. But that guy spent around 15K bhat on drinks only in a single night at Shark and Sweet Heart GoGo. So you can guess whose lost / gained the money.

The bar owners must understand that they needs Indians / Arabs to take their business forward. If they are not able to see the long term picture, that's a wrong business sense. It was always about the money. It doesn't matter what the colour of the pocket is. Its a wrong assumption that only white guys can pay (come on. I bet every 1 has seen their fair share of cheap westerns at every Go-Go).

Also BTW I found the whole Thailand Story too hyped. Although pussy Is available in bulk, the quality of girls is nowhere near Japanese's or Korean Girls. It's a OK place for some 1 who needs to relax and get some vaginal activity all at a cheap cost.

For me. I think I will stick to Brazil / Germany / Singapore for my piece of action

Correct me if I'm wrong? But I would like to add my 2 plus cents in this matter. This conversation regarding Indians have come up in the past. When we speak of the smell or bad attitude are we really talking about racism? As noted other race can smell and act badly when in Pattaya too! I do understand when these sterotypes are applied and refusal of admission then it does become rascism.

Not being a world traveler and from my limited experience around Indian this is my view and experience regarding Indians in Pattaya. I put Indians in two catagories those who wear the original garments and those who wear western garments. I stayed once at the Marina Hotel which is behind Walking Street in the 90's as many of you know this area is visited by many Indians and Mid-Eastern. It was my first and last time staying in the area but I do venture to the area weekly to park my bike while I visit the go-go's. Whenever the conversation comes up like now my sterotype views about Indians are mainly those in the original garments that stay around the Marina Hotel area and search for freelancers on Beach Road. The negative remarks regarding Indians seem well deserve for them as this is what I have experience and seen as they smell and are loud and rude in groups. In a separate experience on a Flight in 2006, I was told by the station manager in Hong Kong for Cathay Pacific these Indians are from the country. Right or wrong I classify these Indians as being from the country / uneducated and have no manners. I believe these Indians are what all the negative remarks are being directed.

Being a regular visitor to some of the go go's being mentioned as to denying Indians entry these aren't the ones being denied. Sadly the one's being denied and paying the price are the ones that look educated, well dress in western style shirts / pants and shoes also most likely loaded with cash? I have seen many well dress Indians turn away but never have I actually seen Indians wearing the old garments trying to enter any of the clubs being mentioned. Another sad observation is that the well dress one are allow to enter whenever the clubs aren't seeing lots of customer. Just the other night being low season now at Bacarra their were a few.

Personally, I don't have a problem with anyone and being a minority myself I don't like to see it since I grew up being discriminated. But as mentioned I stayed a week at the Marina Hotel in the nineties and that was enough for me. The Inidan were loud and rude and the Mid-Easterner were worse espesically at the all night club in the hotel. And things haven't change much today when late a night I go to pick up my bike to go home. There is a reason why the BIB are setup at 2nd Road and Pattaya Tai, the Mid-Easterner drive like madmen on their rented motorbike and its is easy money for the BIB.

As noted, no one race has a lock on smell, believe it or not several months ago at Bacarra, two white guys came in with shorts and tank tops with their heavy B. O. On my left. I was thinking have some class at least take a shower before you come out?

To end, I don't think anyone should complaint that Jackson should moderate this topic because of rules regarding racism or calling out another member. I've been on this site for a long time and I would be a millionaire? Everytime I got a baht for the word being used "Jap" so a little talk about smelly Indians shouldn't keep anyone up at night plus I never have heard anyone get upset on this site regarding the use of this word which if you didn't know is racist! Personally, whether I like it or not if I want some ass and see some tits I know I got to deal with the unexpected and that smelly, stupid people, and of course the smoking! It's just reality. If I don't like it I can move and if I can't I could leave and if I don't I will turn to the individual no matter how big, small, young or old and give them my polite opinion. Other than that I get along with everyone?

LBM

[QUOTE=MikeForFun;1265522]Personally, I do feel that while Thailand provide easy access to mongers, it is bit overrated and has become quite costly as well. I found some of the other options in SE Asia more attractive.[/QUOTE]I'm curious as to what options you have found more attractive. Are you referring to Angeles City, in the Philippine Islands?

Not a question of "minority" status.

This is a group who's working class, if you will, now have the ability to engage in some international travel. And they are not doing it well, yet.

I have seen them be extremely rude to the girls they meet, both in bars and on beach road. I have been told repeateldy by girls they use the service then try to negotiate a new rate, or simply feel they do not have to pay.

I witnessed one incident where the girl negotiated a rate, then had four more show up. She was expected to service all five for 500 baht.

They need to learn how to travel.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1265673]Correct me if I'm wrong? But I would like to add my 2 plus cents in this matter. This conversation regarding Indians have come up in the past. When we speak of the smell or bad attitude are we really talking about racism? As noted other race can smell and act badly when in Pattaya too! I do understand when these sterotypes are applied and refusal of admission then it does become rascism.

Not being a world traveler and from my limited experience around Indian this is my view and experience regarding Indians in Pattaya. I put Indians in two catagories those who wear the original garments and those who wear western garments. I stayed once at the Marina Hotel which is behind Walking Street in the 90's as many of you know this area is visited by many Indians and Mid-Eastern. It was my first and last time staying in the area but I do venture to the area weekly to park my bike while I visit the go-go's. Whenever the conversation comes up like now my sterotype views about Indians are mainly those in the original garments that stay around the Marina Hotel area and search for freelancers on Beach Road. The negative remarks regarding Indians seem well deserve for them as this is what I have experience and seen as they smell and are loud and rude in groups. In a separate experience on a Flight in 2006, I was told by the station manager in Hong Kong for Cathay Pacific these Indians are from the country. Right or wrong I classify these Indians as being from the country / uneducated and have no manners. I believe these Indians are what all the negative remarks are being directed.

Being a regular visitor to some of the go go's being mentioned as to denying Indians entry these aren't the ones being denied. Sadly the one's being denied and paying the price are the ones that look educated, well dress in western style shirts / pants and shoes also most likely loaded with cash? I have seen many well dress Indians turn away but never have I actually seen Indians wearing the old garments trying to enter any of the clubs being mentioned. Another sad observation is that the well dress one are allow to enter whenever the clubs aren't seeing lots of customer. Just the other night being low season now at Bacarra their were a few.

Personally, I don't have a problem with anyone and being a minority myself I don't like to see it since I grew up being discriminated. But as mentioned I stayed a week at the Marina Hotel in the nineties and that was enough for me. The Inidan were loud and rude and the Mid-Easterner were worse espesically at the all night club in the hotel. And things haven't change much today when late a night I go to pick up my bike to go home. There is a reason why the BIB are setup at 2nd Road and Pattaya Tai, the Mid-Easterner drive like madmen on their rented motorbike and its is easy money for the BIB.

As noted, no one race has a lock on smell, believe it or not several months ago at Bacarra, two white guys came in with shorts and tank tops with their heavy B. O. On my left. I was thinking have some class at least take a shower before you come out?

To end, I don't think anyone should complaint that Jackson should moderate this topic because of rules regarding racism or calling out another member. I've been on this site for a long time and I would be a millionaire? Everytime I got a baht for the word being used "Jap" so a little talk about smelly Indians shouldn't keep anyone up at night plus I never have heard anyone get upset on this site regarding the use of this word which if you didn't know is racist! Personally, whether I like it or not if I want some ass and see some tits I know I got to deal with the unexpected and that smelly, stupid people, and of course the smoking! It's just reality. If I don't like it I can move and if I can't I could leave and if I don't I will turn to the individual no matter how big, small, young or old and give them my polite opinion. Other than that I get along with everyone?

LBM[/QUOTE]

I like the Indians, they're always telling me it's my lucky day and I've bought nice suits and luxury watches from them at wholesale price! They pose no competition with the Thai babes, (unlike all the hansum Falang seducing them with sweet lines or romance) I've yet to see them with one.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1265805]I like the Indians, they're always telling me it's my lucky day and I've bought nice suits and luxury watches from them at wholesale price! They pose no competition with the Thai babes, (unlike all the hansum Falang seducing them with sweet lines or romance) I've yet to see them with one.[/QUOTE]I think you are talking about the Nepalese, not the Indians.

[QUOTE=Xfactors;1265713]I'm curious as to what options you have found more attractive. Are you referring to Angeles City, in the Philippine Islands?[/QUOTE]It is a matter of personal choice. While I like Thai girls but sometimes good quality can be bit difficult to find (probably for me). I tend to prefer fair Viet or Chinese looking girls. Even in Thailand, there are some part Chinese looking girls and I like them.

I also find some Phili girls very attractive thanks to Spanish mix. It just gives them amazing skin and features.

I do admit that mongering is most easy in Thailand with easy access. So for a quick and easy access, nothing can beat Thailand. For varied taste and quality, Phili and Viet are good options.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1265839]I think you are talking about the Nepalese, not the Indians.[/QUOTE]Nope, they're Indians alright. I could smell their curry breath

Plenty of Indian, farang and Thai friends here. Say what you like about them, I don't know a single Indian who owes anything on a home mortgage. Can't say that for my farang and Thai friends.

[QUOTE=Studromeo; 1264003]Also I was denied entry to 4 GoGos stating that they were for members only. BACARA, Alcatraz (Or Caucasians only). Maybe I was denied due to my skin colour (I am Indian) but heck it. If the bars are not able to see my loaded cash, its their problem. There are many place in Pattaya which will welcome me with their open arms. The bars need to understand that the only colour that matters is the colour of Money. Racial profiling is so OLD School.

Nevertheless expect this 4 bars, faced no problem anywhere.[/QUOTE]Well what can I say? I too am of Indian decent but British by Nationality, I have been allowed entry in to Airport, Baccara, Whats Up and Alcatraz on a number of occasions. However I was in Pattaya in March, that time only Baccara let me in, only because the one of security outside recognized me. At the Airport AGoGo I was refused initially and I told them that I was there two weeks earlier and asked when they started the "member only policy", no answer, no surprise there, so I went on to describe the layout of the place and showed him my UK drivers license, lo and behold the entry was granted, same scenario with Whats up and Baccara. Alcatraz would not budge.

I agree, the bars need to understand that the only colour that matters is the colour of money and I for one will no longer go to Alcatraz and spend my hard earned cash in there.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1264738]Today was a bad day. I was in organic chemistry lecture and had the great misfortune of having a stinky Indian show up late and sit directly behind me. I could not breathe for the whole hour. I could not take notes because I had to hold my hand up to my face in a futile attempt to attenuate his nefarious stench.

Most of the indians and punjabs I know are at least decent and do not give off a smell. In fact, quite a bit of them take care to have a pleasant scent about them. Therefore, stinky Indian, why is it that you carry such an abominable odor? What's wrong with you? You are the reason the stinky-indian stereotype exists. There are millions of good-smelling Indians living in the western world (mmm. Ok, maybe thousands) , yet somehow the gaseous waste emanating from your body makes up for all of them. You are offensive. You disgust everyone. You are a hazard to society.

And for all of your heinousness, stinky Indian, I've come to pity your situation. While sitting in class with your loathsome musk crawling through my sinuses, I soon found myself desensitized to any other smell. I realized your sense of smell is analogous to the moral sensibility of children raised to commit genocide. There is only one pungent, lurid stench- only one reality. I would say you have been brain-washed by your own nose, but it's apparent that you haven't been anything-washed. Ever.[/QUOTE]LOL 5 star post Mr Harold!

I would say expect more of this to come in organic chemistry classes. Sign up for easy classes to meet hot babe's.