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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2213245]Not that I will have a better suggestion than Mr. E's about contacting them, but just letting you know something similar to this happened to me too. Like you, I'd had a short term premium account, cancelled and later could not sign up again for another stint. This would not make sense from a business standpoint, of course. It must be a weird glitch in their system. Why would ThaiFriendly "punish" someone for cancelling an account in the past by preventing them from signing up again later to give them more money? But the same thing crossed my mind at the time. Then again, the word "Thai" is in there, so maybe what makes sense has little or no bearing. In my case, signing up again with just a different email address was enough to get it done. I had the same phone number as before.

I should mention that when I first got stumped in trying to sign up for that second stint, I emailed them about it and never got a response. I waited a week for their reply and never got one. That was when I decided to try signing up with a different email address and that solved it.

Now, I have gotten an email response from them on a recent question I had about renewal while I am a current premium member. Which is a very different circumstance, of course. Incidentally, my question this time was how to change my auto-pay/renew 3 month premium membership to an auto-pay/renew 1 year premium membership without first cancelling my current 3 month membership, which appeared to be the only way it can be done according to what I've read on their website. I am wary of cancelling and being locked out again unless I open another email account, maybe add a new phone number for verification, blah, blah, blah. Sure enough, that is what ThaiFriendly's email response told me to do; I must allow my current account to end and then sign up again for a new account. You can't change your next billing cycle ahead of time while in the midst of another one in order to retain your current profile settings, photos, Interests, Favorites, etc. Uh. Ok.

That also means I had to go into settings and cancel the auto-pay/renew part of the deal or my ongoing 3-month premium memberships will never end, they'll just keep getting automatically renewed as a 3 month premium membership. I've got a couple of weeks left of my current account so it remains to be seen whether I will be able to sign up again and give them more money or not when that time comes.

Oh, a quick question: are you signed up with another dating site, say, ThaiCupid on that email account that no longer works for ThaiFriendly? I only ask because that was the case for me and, as weird as it sounds, the thought actually crossed my mind that there was some issue of "duplicity" or perhaps the same people own both sites and they were trying to boost or retain ThaiCupid memberships by locking me out of ThaiFriendly or whatever strange Internet thingy was up.[/QUOTE]Did you use a different cell number to activate your new account?

[QUOTE=RobJones;2213273]Did you use a different cell number to activate your new account?[/QUOTE]No.

[QUOTE=Me, above]In my case, signing up again with just a different email address was enough to get it done. I had the same phone number as before.[/QUOTE]However, I honestly don't remember giving them a phone number either time I signed up. Only an email address. Maybe I did and just don't remember. I mentioned that I didn't change my phone number in my previous reply because I have not changed my phone number since I moved to Thailand several years ago, long before I first signed up for ThaiFriendly, so I knew that was not an issue for me.

Right now, looking at my Account Settings on the computer version of the site, I don't see a place to enter or change a phone number. Maybe a phone number was applied to the mobile app version of ThaiFriendly when I downloaded and installed it. Again, I don't remember if it was required or not. I don't see anything about a phone number in those Settings either. But I suspect I just opened the mobile app and entered the same Username and Password I was already using on the computer version.

Just my opinion fwiw. I was walking down 2nd Road and some woman was trying to get to me to get a massage from her. She said 300 baht body to body. Then inside it all changed. I ended up giving her an extra 700 thb for a crappie blow job and a hand job. I probably misunderstood what she meant when she said, "300 baht, body to body". Who knows and it isn't worth it to argue on some things. The whole thing was a waste of money.

That incident aside, I think it is better to get a massage at a massage place and have sex at a sex place. Keep the 2 separate. When I am getting a oil massage and they keep bumping into little horatio though, he starts thinking and we end up mixing up the two.

Now that I am back in pattaya I remember why I hate motorbikes. Those things come out of nowhere and are quick. I am surprised more people don't get hurt by them. I saw some guy crossing the road at a corner, halfway across and not paying attention to anything. Some people are drunk or just idiots and motorbikes are dangerous.

I don't know if there are other places like pattaya in the world, but it sure is a unique place to me. I will be ready to go when I leave in a week, but it is a lot fun for awhile.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2216200]I think it is better to get a massage at a massage place and have sex at a sex place. Keep the 2 separate.[/QUOTE]Fully agree with that, I never understood the appeal of the massage parlor sex. They don't have proper facilities for sex, like private rooms with showers. Moreover, I hate how it's customary to first start a massage and then negotiate sex -- if negotiations fail, you're neither getting a proper massage (which you'll pay for), nor sex. The girl knows it, and she's in a better negotiation position. Either we arrange the whole deal upfront, or I walk.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2213335]No.

However, I honestly don't remember giving them a phone number either time I signed up. Only an email address. Maybe I did and just don't remember. I mentioned that I didn't change my phone number in my previous reply because I have not changed my phone number since I moved to Thailand several years ago, long before I first signed up for ThaiFriendly, so I knew that was not an issue for me.

Right now, looking at my Account Settings on the computer version of the site, I don't see a place to enter or change a phone number. Maybe a phone number was applied to the mobile app version of ThaiFriendly when I downloaded and installed it. Again, I don't remember if it was required or not. I don't see anything about a phone number in those Settings either. But I suspect I just opened the mobile app and entered the same Username and Password I was already using on the computer version.[/QUOTE]All is good now. I sent an email when I eventually found a link. My page was so blocked that I couldn't get past " your page is blocked due to a complaint ". I found a notification in my email and followed it back to get the email address. Funnily enough as soon as I mentioned refund my account was activated within 12 hours. I asked why I was blocked but no response to that query.

Thanks for everyone's help.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2216268]Fully agree with that, I never understood the appeal of the massage parlor sex. They don't have proper facilities for sex, like private rooms with showers. Moreover, I hate how it's customary to first start a massage and then negotiate sex -- if negotiations fail, you're neither getting a proper massage (which you'll pay for), nor sex. The girl knows it, and she's in a better negotiation position. Either we arrange the whole deal upfront, or I walk.[/QUOTE]Who the hell wants to waste 1 hour for a shitty massage or a massage that they didn't want in the first place? Like you said, you can arrange a deal up front or better yet get them to come to your place. The other day in Manila I met a massage chick on WeChat. She came over and gave me one of the best and longest blow jobs ever by a Filipina, we fucked like rabbits, then she gave me one of the best massages to top it off. We fell asleep until I had to check out of the hotel. I even threw in the 200 pesos penalty she was going to have to pay for not going to work that day.

Oh. Forgot the part when she washed me from head to toe and asked if she could suck my dick while we were in the shower.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2216402]Who the hell wants to waste 1 hour for a shitty massage or a massage that they didn't want in the first place? Like you said, you can arrange a deal up front or better yet get them to come to your place. The other day in Manila I met a massage chick on WeChat. She came over and gave me one of the best and longest blow jobs ever by a Filipina, we fucked like rabbits, then she gave me one of the best massages to top it off. We fell asleep until I had to check out of the hotel. I even threw in the 200 pesos penalty she was going to have to pay for not going to work that day.
[/QUOTE]The only good sex of any kind I have ever experienced with a Thai massage shop girl has been when I took her out of the shop and got her into my own room. In which case some have been very good indeed. And that would be by either paying the fee at the shop to take them out or, as in your example, had them come over around the system. Engaging with them in their established venues always seems to introduce unnecessary obstacles to my ultimate pleasure goals and the girl's deserving monetary reward for it.

Same thing is happening for me with the Bangkok Out Call/Escort scene. I have found it so easy and rewarding to simply arrange a home delivery with girls (several of whom recently or currently appear on the Escort Service sites) by meeting them on the online dating and social network sites, it is a mighty struggle to find or tease out a justification to book them through their established services instead.

Tracking their exact whereabouts leading up to my front door on a GPS system is fine, I suppose. But something tells me being able to quickly and briefly chat person-to-person with the girl well before "booking" to work out any condom or no condom issues, defining what a real CIM finish means, determing if she is shaved or hairy, how she looks currently on live video and not 8 years ago in a carefully posed photo, as well as her accepting without hassle a fee typically about half what is cited on her Escort Service site strikes me as superior to any "advantage" offered or promised by the established services. So far.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2216431]I have found it so easy and rewarding to simply arrange a home delivery with girls who recently or currently appear on the Escort Service sites by meeting them on the online dating and social network sites, it is a mighty struggle to find or tease out a justification to book them through their established services instead.[/QUOTE]That leads back to my question that nobody ever answers. If you bar fine a girl once, you have already established contact with her and have her details. What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever? I do not understand that whatsoever. Is is just a must to have her during the hours that the bar is open or what?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2216446]That leads back to my question that nobody ever answers. If you bar fine a girl once, you have already established contact with her and have her details. What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever? I do not understand that whatsoever. Is is just a must to have her during the hours that the bar is open or what?[/QUOTE]Well, my reasoning for still going to the bar, paying the barfine and so on is a matter of timing. These days I am a one cum a day 65 year old living in Bkk and not a fan of getting that done during the day before a bargirl starts her shift or at 3 am after she ends her shift. 9-11 pm feels about right to me. LOL.

Also, I have done tons of "I come stay all night with you for free after work, honey!" girls and am now convinced the guy who bought her Lady Drinks, paid the 700 baht barfine and the 2000+ fee for a ST at 9 pm when she was truly in "on the job" mode gets a MUCH better deal than the guy getting her all wrung out, tired, drunk and cranky, looking at a bed as a place to fall into a coma rather than a "free" sexual playground after she has long forgotten what an "on the job" mode was. Most of the time I happily pass on those winning offers anymore. Days off are a different matter, of course.

However, the conditions are different for FLs or girls who sometimes show up on Escort Service sites rather than girls working in a bar or massage shop.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2216402]The other day in Manila I met a massage chick on WeChat. She came over and gave me one of the best and longest blow jobs ever by a Filipina, we fucked like rabbits, then she gave me one of the best massages to top it off. We fell asleep until I had to check out of the hotel. I even threw in the 200 pesos penalty she was going to have to pay for not going to work that day.[/QUOTE]I call Bullshit on this.

Mr E making it rain in Manila. Never. LOL.

😉 😉 😀 😀 🤤 🤤.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2216446]What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever?[/QUOTE]There certainly are benefits to having a bargirl's number but I think it's a mistake to assume she will be available "whenever" you want her.

You're going to be at the back of the queue after working till 3 am, Short and Long time punters who have BFed her, being drunk, tired or asleep or at home, an hours taxi away from you.

For me, after work is out as at 3 am I'm either asleep, drunk or all ready have a girl.

Before work is doable but then there are time pressures between her waking up and getting to work and ghe general chaos that is a girl making a meeting on time.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2216446]That leads back to my question that nobody ever answers. If you bar fine a girl once, you have already established contact with her and have her details. What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever? I do not understand that whatsoever. Is is just a must to have her during the hours that the bar is open or what?[/QUOTE]You make an excellent point Mr E. But not all girls can or will come over during their Go Go work hours which then requires either flexibility on my part or the acceptance of paying the barfine if I want the girl in prime time.

Scenario 1: Girl or girls are able to give the bar some excuse and can visit whenever I like. This is the scenario with my 2 favorite Makati Bottoms girls as well as most of my repeat Manila Go Go girls. As to my Bottoms girls, I don't know how they get away with it or what excuses they give their mamasan, but they are able to visit me prime time for seemingly multiple endless days in a row. Last trip I had them visit me 9 nights in a row - 7 pm to 1 am. I gave the girls what I always give them, supplied bottles of Tequila for the room, and fed them. Their bar got nada. No barfine. Only towards the end of that run did the girls tell me that mama was getting tired of their no show BS and demanding that they return to the bar. Ha Ha. Great girls! I took them both to Sabang Beach, Palawan for 4 nights too. Again no barfine. I just gave them what I usually give them plus food, drink, and T-shirt souvenirs for their kids.

Scenario 2: Girls can't or will not cut their attendance at their bar, but are eager to come over during the afternoon, sometimes with a GF if I am ok with that, for pool parties, boom boom, and late lunch / early dinner before going to work. I enjoy this no barfine scenario a lot and an added benefit is that it leaves my nights open for anything I want to do.

Scenario 3: Girls can't or will not cut their attendance at their bar, but are eager to come over after work. I used to take advantage of this scenario when I was in my 20's and was low on cash. I never paid for sex back then. The girls would come over or I would meet them a block or 2 away from their bars after closing and then the girls would spend the rest of the night and morning with me gratis. Nowadays time is more important to me than money, so I do not like late night drop ins anymore. It crimps my night and besides, by 3 am I usually in dreamland. Ha Ha. But if I lived in LOS instead of just visiting for 7 or 8 weeks at a time, I might engage in scenario 3 with certain girls, but only if I was particularly fond of them and we had a special relationship.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2216617]You make an excellent point Mr E. But not all girls can or will come over during their Go Go work hours which then requires either flexibility on my part or the acceptance of paying the barfine if I want the girl in prime time.

Scenario 1: Girl or girls are able to give the bar some excuse and can visit whenever I like. This is the scenario with my 2 favorite Makati Bottoms girls as well as most of my repeat Manila Go Go girls. As to my Bottoms girls, I don't know how they get away with it or what excuses they give their mamasan, but they are able to visit me prime time for seemingly multiple endless days in a row. Last trip I had them visit me 9 nights in a row - 7 pm to 1 am. I gave the girls what I always give them, supplied bottles of Tequila for the room, and fed them. Their bar got nada. No barfine. Only towards the end of that run did the girls tell me that mama was getting tired of their no show BS and demanding that they return to the bar. Ha Ha. Great girls! I took them both to Sabang Beach, Palawan for 4 nights too. Again no barfine. I just gave them what I usually give them plus food, drink, and T-shirt souvenirs for their kids..[/QUOTE]2 and 3 are my favourites.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2216446]That leads back to my question that nobody ever answers. If you bar fine a girl once, you have already established contact with her and have her details. What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever? I do not understand that whatsoever. Is is just a must to have her during the hours that the bar is open or what?[/QUOTE]There are so many aspects to this. That is perhaps why you think no one wants to answer. I will try to cover some aspects.

1. It depends how much the girl likes and where you are on her pecking order list. If you are a big favourite the girl will keep coming to you most likely. She may still have to pay the barfine each day for a variety of reasons. She may not. Depends on the bar and its rules.

2. Some girls are slyly seeing customers without paying the barfine and hope they don't get caught out. This is much easier if they attend irregularly, and are effectively sideline girls. Some girls claim to be 100% honest and would never cheat the bar. LOL.

3. Many bar girls want to do short time only and preferably close to the bar, so that they can return to the bar and try to sell more drinks or get another short time, if they need the money or are quite popular.

4. One extremely popular girl would happily agree to meet me before bar opening time, because she could get in an extra ST for the evening and sometimes liked to come over for a swim in the pool in daylight hours, occasionally would do long time booking if she thought she would not lose money or was feeling lazy to do many STs. If I met her at say 6 PM near to the bar, she would expect the BF still to be paid, and would even hand it over at the bar before going off with me, since it is quite easy she could be spotted going into ST hotel with me.

5. I have a regular bargirl who is often quite lazy to go to work. She meets me outside and does not expect a BF to be paid. We meet well away from the bar. She has no intention to go to the bar afterwards, might be just desperate for some Baht. Sometimes she is fucking me in return for a small assist already given previously when she was desperate, or previous advance is deducted. She has the sense to never ask for a large amount in advance and not often, just enough to buy food when was sick (or her friend is sick and has to be looked after etc. Whatever). Don't even care what is the real reason. She is somewhat of a bullshit artist so I always take what she says with a grain of salt. Anyway, despite that she remains a good fuck and needs my business. Unfortunately shy about being nude when room is well lit despite a really great slim body so have to get some drinks into her to loosen her up a lot, then she goes at it very well. She cums with difficulty but makes it sometimes. She does not seem to bullshit on this topic. She could easily say she cums every time but does not. She probably needs a real power fucker guy to get her off regularly.

6. There is another girl I meet quite secretly and quite regularly, usually late and sometimes whole night, but she can't be seen with me anywhere commonplace as story could get back to employment and / or her official Boyfriend. Therefore we have to meet at locations and times that suit her. Not all girls want to act so secretly. They may want to be very straightforward and pay barfines to the employer.

7. Girls are hired to sell drinks at the bar, and some are doing their best to achieve this and would rather meet good clients at the bar. They may hope to make a good salary or monthly bonus. Others never get any salary so don't care about monthly earnings. They may still want to make some drink commissions to improve their image in the eyes of the employer. Completely useless girls bringing in few drinks and few Barfines may well be fired as a waste of space and unless extra good looking enough to pull guys in the door but that still requires attendance.

8. To work in a bar, a girl has to be useful even if she is a sideline girl that only shows up sometimes like weekends, due to being a student. That means the girl has to pull in a good number of drinks per month and barfines. Otherwise just get rid of her. So there is a limit to the clandestine meetings she can get away with.

9. Why not meet in the daytime? Some girls are typically sleeping from 8 am to 4 pm (example), I. E. They do not go home from work and immediately sleep. They party or have a good time after work (if not completely drunk already). They don't want to do Long Time since they won't be ready to start sleeping till maybe as late as 8 am and they certainly don't want to fuck at or after 8 am in their normal routine. Girls are all different.

10. Girls may have a boyfriend who expects them to work out of the bar only, no secret meetings. LOL This could apply whether the girl's BF is a Thai or a westerner. BF may send girl to work and pick her up at the bar. May be minding her like a pimp or manager.

11. Girl may have a baby to look after in daytime and her mother minds baby during bar hours.

There are too many varying scenarios, you may well think of others.

So in the end, a guy may well be sick of the bar and not want to waste money buying drinks (when girl does not need leg openers), but the girl may have other ideas. I went to Shark recently as was easier to organise a 3 some when I only had the contact number of one of the girls. The result was having to pay 2 BFs. That is now rectified. I may well be able to arrange a 3 some without going to the bar, but I don't see there is any guarantee of that. Just depends on the girls' attitudes. I certainly don't want to be showing up to bars on a daily basis but an occasional quick visit to check the new talent is okay.

Recent visits to Dollhouse and Crazy House and Shark were not that impressive. No new girls were "must dos" for looks, or even close to that. Hence did not try anything new. Played it safe. Doll House previously had some nice BFable coyotes but standard seems to have dropped right away. Have not BFed inside CH for a long time now. Did take an ex CH girl from 5 Star earlier in the year. The "Car Alarm" music (as another guy put it previously) really makes you want to BF the girl (if can find one) and get out of there as quick as possible. Really hate the bar especially the DJ. Not keen to go back. I can check if "G" wants to meet outside. LOL She has nice tits and nice pussy, BJ okay, like her body (no surgeries).

Concern grows as the British pound reaches an historical low versus the Thai Baht as far as this member views it. Don't ever remember the weakening to this extent. The political clowns in Euroland and UK are distabilizing the market with their indecisiveness and failure to reach a settlement divorce.

Bet there are many concerned expats crying into their beer just as I'm deeply concerned. Kinda puts a different perspective on retirement options. Just how bad is this going to get?