Jakarta

[QUOTE=ArtistoArt;1107490]It said I had available space; might have to drop a note to Jackson. I deleted most of the messages and have room now.

Cheers,

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[QUOTE=Smoothy;1726053]Haha. I avoid Sumatran chicks for relationships. They are last on my list because they are too strong willed. If I want a chick like that, I can go back to the US and find one.[/QUOTE]A male Batak friend of mine expressed his frustration recently at his inability to get a nice Batak wife. "They all want to marry bules these days" he told me. Given the number of good friends and colleagues married to Batak ladies I think he has a point. In my (admittedly limited) experience Batak ladies are great fun and very free-spirited but personally I would be wary of marrying one. If the wedding itself doesn't bankrupt you she'll clean you out in the divorce settlement, Batak ladies aren't as forgiving of male indiscretions as their Sundanese and Javanese sisters, and they all have too many lawyers in their families for my liking.

If you're in Sumatra I'd carry on north to Aceh, the ladies there can be hard to get but, my word, you will be well-rewarded for your effort even if you do have to fly them down to Jakarta for the privilege. Their Arab blood also gives them great cheekbones and voluptuous figures.

Manadonese ladies are stunners but frankly they are show ponies, constantly preening themselves and feeling left out if they aren't the centre of attention, you'll also be out a fortune on designer handbags and shoes.

As for you marrying a nice Javanese girl, Smoothy, well was it Hugh Heffner who described marriage as "the death of hope"? That with knobs on for being wedded to a Javanese girl, sure you get the demure, servile little wifey but you'll hardly have the ring on her finger than she'll be getting fitted out for the jilbab and the daster as befitting her new life as a respectable married ibu-ibu, you'll be clawing your eyes out with boredom.

No, you want some fun in your marriage, get yourself a fiery Sundanese girl (like you, when it comes to choosing women, I couldn't give a fiddler's fart about who won what battle half a millennium ago). A Sundanese woman (choose an office worker or such from Bogor or Bandung) knows how to keep her man happy and when to turn a blind eye at the right moment, she will keep herself in shape, look good and keep the house in order, provided you don't do what so many eejits do, of course, and marry some Indramayu bar girl.

Watch out for the brothers-in-law though; dead beats every last one of them.

Idul fitri money gathering seems to have begun. Girls I have barely spoken with on various dating apps seem to be coming out of the woodwork. One had a profile that made her look like a respectable office girl, just told me she works in a woman only spa. We have negotiated a 2 hour naked massage (both of us naked) plus BBBJ and fucking for 850.000 in my hotel room. Pics seem good, going to try to get her on cam to verify pics are real. Should be able to sample her next week.

P.S. I am enjoying the discussion (Hilo77, Smoothy) about various girls from various places. Always wanted to get back to Manado and try some girls there. Need to do some google work about Sundanese women.

Carrying on from my previous report about my trip last October, we headed to the Blok M again and went through the usual.

Exchanges from girls in Top Gun they must seem to smell the new guys in town.

Found a girl, Dewi, seemed nice enough small ish average body, good in the sack though.

A great BBJ and as many positions as I could think of, she was small enough to sit on it whilst I walked around the hotel room.

She panicked when I opened the door with her still astride me and said lets go and see my friend, so called off that adventure, finished up and off she went.

Damage 500. Feeling a bit seedy from 2 heavy nights did not bother heading back to the bar, and crashed.

Hahaha absolutely outstanding summary IMHO and a funny read. I have not experienced Acehnese women on your list, certainly the forbidden fruit there.

Cheers bro.

One last question, I have never bedded a balinese woman? (low numbers and very elusive) Are there any comments on the 2 million Balinese women, I find them extremely intriguing. With stronger family life attributes than the Javanese and very strong village ties, often great english, cute (smaller?) bodies, BUT they seem to be immune to the bule advances. Or is it just me?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1727195]A male Batak friend of mine expressed his frustration recently at his inability to get a nice Batak wife. "They all want to marry bules these days" he told me. Given the number of good friends and colleagues married to Batak ladies I think he has a point. In my (admittedly limited) experience Batak ladies are great fun and very free-spirited but personally I would be wary of marrying one. If the wedding itself doesn't bankrupt you she'll clean you out in the divorce settlement, Batak ladies aren't as forgiving of male indiscretions as their Sundanese and Javanese sisters, and they all have too many lawyers in their families for my liking.

If you're in Sumatra I'd carry on north to Aceh, the ladies there can be hard to get but, my word, you will be well-rewarded for your effort even if you do have to fly them down to Jakarta for the privilege. Their Arab blood also gives them great cheekbones and voluptuous figures.

Manadonese ladies are stunners but frankly they are show ponies, constantly preening themselves and feeling left out if they aren't the centre of attention, you'll also be out a fortune on designer handbags and shoes.

As for you marrying a nice Javanese girl, Smoothy, well was it Hugh Heffner who described marriage as "the death of hope"? That with knobs on for being wedded to a Javanese girl, sure you get the demure, servile little wifey but you'll hardly have the ring on her finger than she'll be getting fitted out for the jilbab and the daster as befitting her new life as a respectable married ibu-ibu, you'll be clawing your eyes out with boredom.

No, you want some fun in your marriage, get yourself a fiery Sundanese girl (like you, when it comes to choosing women, I couldn't give a fiddler's fart about who won what battle half a millennium ago). A Sundanese woman (choose an office worker or such from Bogor or Bandung) knows how to keep her man happy and when to turn a blind eye at the right moment, she will keep herself in shape, look good and keep the house in order, provided you don't do what so many eejits do, of course, and marry some Indramayu bar girl.

Watch out for the brothers-in-law though; dead beats every last one of them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1727251]Hahaha absolutely outstanding summary IMHO and a funny read. I have not experienced Acehnese women on your list, certainly the forbidden fruit there. One last question, I have never bedded a balinese woman? (low numbers and very elusive) Are there any comments on the 2 million Balinese women, I find them extremely intriguing. With stronger family life attributes than the Javanese and very strong village ties, often great english, cute (smaller?) bodies, BUT they seem to be immune to the bule advances. Or is it just me?[/QUOTE]I'm still sticking out my hopes for a minangkabau Padang girl. They have a matrilineal culture where the dowry goes to the husband. I will settle for 1. 5 m per night, though I may need to reduce the daily dowry down to 1 m when the mortgage is due, as Egy Monger advised.

Actually this topic has been covered in a previous thread, if you go way back to 1928 in the ISG archives you can read that a group of mongers from Jakarta went to London to sing about indo girls. It's a kerontjong song that many of you will have heard on TV or Bars. It's one of the first malay songs I learnt as a kid.

In it we learn that you should not marry a girl from Pesapen because she has too many screws loose, pretensions, and 'attitude', or a young lady from Semarang because she's in debt up to her eyebrows and will likely bankrupt you, or even a dame from Krembangan. That type has too many lice. I have no idea how many lice are just enough.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0VJeQ-4550[/URL]

If you are trying to learn bahasa here's one version, though I've also heard it in Dutch and Petjok (a dead language created specifically for mongering in the East Indies). If you need it translated find a long haired dictionary.

Djangan mandi Kali Pesapen.

Kali Pesapen banjak lintahnya;.

Djangan kawin noni Pesapen.

Noni Persapen banjak tingkahnya.

Ajoen ajoen ajoen in die hoge klapperboom.

Ajoen ajoen Masmira.

Djangan main gila.

Ajoen ajoen ajoen in die hoge klapperboom.

Ajoen ajoen Masmira.

Djangan main gila.

Djangan mandi Kali Semarang.

Kali Semarang banjak oedangnya;.

Djangan kawin noni Semarang.

Noni Semarang banjak oetangnya.

Djangan mandi Kali Krembangan.

Kali Krembangan banjak batoenya;.

Djangan kawin noni Krembangan.

Noni Krembangan banyak koetoenya.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1727251]Hahaha absolutely outstanding summary IMHO and a funny read. I have not experienced Acehnese women on your list, certainly the forbidden fruit there.

Cheers bro.

One last question, I have never bedded a balinese woman? (low numbers and very elusive) Are there any comments on the 2 million Balinese women, I find them extremely intriguing. With stronger family life attributes than the Javanese and very strong village ties, often great english, cute (smaller?) bodies, BUT they seem to be immune to the bule advances. Or is it just me?[/QUOTE]Only once, back in 2003, did I enjoy the company of a Balinese lady but given that she was a bar girl she would be very far from typical. She was a heavy drinker (perhaps exacerbated by trauma caused by being caught up in the 2002 bomb, as the drink flowed she got ever more unhinged about the sights she witnessed) and very passionate in bed but given her circumstances I could not possibly generalise about Balinese women from her.

There was a masseuse by the hotel pool who was very friendly during long lazy afternoons enjoying her ministrations and we were rapidly getting to the point of arranging extra-curricular activities until the third day when she turned up at work with two black eyes. Apparently her husband who was fond of a drop and less fond of working to fund his inebriation was unhappy with the amount of money she had brought home the previous evening, particularly as he needed cash for a big poker school coming up. The cheerful, smiling, family-centred culture of Bali has its dark side, like anywhere else.

Oh, and let us not forget the Madurese women, whose pelvic muscle skills are legendary and actually true. Mothers teach their daughters apparently, and wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall at that particular family gathering.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1725701]Lefeu, During my recent visit to Manila, I never came across any Indian in LA Cafe or Makati or EDSA. I did see some Malaysian Indians in AC but then they cannot be termed as Indians from the Mainland. I came across none in any of the Spas I went to in Indonesia. I think majority of Indians are more restricted to Thailand luckily and few might stray to other countries sporadically. Then the kind of treatment they get from girls in Thailand ensures no additional supply if available will be willing to service them atleast.

However I saw Chinese present in all locations and venues. The sheer amount of Chinese girls and customers in Malioboro speaks of domination being created. But I am personally also thankful for them for population increase as I am very fond of PRC girls and really have a good time with them in Singapore.

AC seemed to be primarily dominated by Korean visitors and even Manila to a certain degree considering it has the second largest Korean congregation (Koreatown) outside South Korea. The Japanese also seem to be omnipresent across locations and their nos are also increasing every year, its an assumption though.

Bottomline is that the analogy you have derived for price increase in this part of the globe i.e. due to Indians in SE Asia might not hold completely in light of what I have personally seen but that's my assessment.[/QUOTE]There are no direct flights from any Indian city to Manilla, so that is a disincentive for them to travel there. I suspect with the effective discrimination of Indians in Pattaya (for good reason), I see them going to the Philippines eventually.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1728164]There are no direct flights from any Indian city to Manilla, so that is a disincentive for them to travel there. I suspect with the effective discrimination of Indians in Pattaya (for good reason), I see them going to the Philippines eventually.[/QUOTE]Engine Driver, the key advantage that Thailand offers to average travelers irrespective of nationality is in terms of cost I. E food, stay, travel, alcohol, commuting and Sightseeing. The overall infrastructure is good and same is not available in Philippines. Apart from direct flight the overall travel time, travel cost, Hotel cost, mount up to quite a sum over mongering costs which would definitely deter an average Indian traveler visiting Thailand to change.

Indians who can manage these costs are anyways traveling currently to other locations besides Thailand such as Philippines, Cambodia, Indonesia and Vietnam. However the only reason my assessment could prove wrong in near future is if Thailand was to clamp down on Prostitution or it becomes super expensive which I don't foresee at least for the next 5 to 10 years. Hence I see no other reason for a major shift to Philippines or any other Country as far as Indians are concerned.

We also need to note that things are also going to keep getting expensive in Philippines simultaneously hence the price gap will only remain same or might even increase.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1728197]Hence I see no other reason for a major shift to Philippines or any other Country as far as Indians are concerned.[/QUOTE]I would add that for an Indian, going to the Philippines would be no solution for avoiding discrimination from other Asians. When I was in Dubai, I found a number of Filipinas working there who openly expressed a lack of interest in having an Indian clientele. If this is the way it is in Dubai, then it's reasonable to expect the same attitudes in the Philippines itself. In other words, you can take the Filipina out of the Philippines, but you can't take the Philippines out of the Filipina! No matter where she lives, and especially in her home country. And could this also be true for some Indian mongers too?

I mean, if an Indian (s) were to start going to the Philippines and exhibiting the same bad behaviors that Thai women (rightly or wrongly) have accused them of, then would this not result in the same kind of situation faced by Indian mongers in Thailand today? I posit that if you can take the Indian out of India, but not the India out of certain bad behaving Indians, then you would end up with the same problems for Indian mongers in the PI that they have in Thailand now. And, you're already starting the game playing from behind due to already existing prejudices of many Filipinas towards Indian clients. My fellow Indian mongers, the Philippines is not the answer!

Went to Jalan Faletehan / Blok M on a Friday night. I think this street is overrated. Basically you are talking about 2. 5 bars and both this time and when I was there a year or two ago there was only really interesting action in Top Gun. By 12:30 the other bars were dead or dying, only Top Gun still alive. The live band plays good old rock and various covers. The number and variety of girls is limited. Many are 27-45. Perhaps I shouldn't complain too much, because I ended up with a girl with a remarkable body, incredible ass and tits, ok service, 22 years old.

On a Saturday I went to CJs at the Mulia Hotel. 180 rupia to get in. Much more upscale than Top Gun, but not a better selection of girls. In fact it is much harder work, 1. 5 million rupiah and the average age is probably higher than in Top Gun. I ended up with a 27 year old with a floppy body and slightly off breath. She was a true semi pro with a day job, out on the town for fun with a female colleague. Lots of work dancing, buying them a couple of drinks and waiting for her to ripen. After that experience I can't really see the point of going to CJs over Top Gun, but then when go to this area of Jakarta at all when you can go to North Jakarta. I certainly won't do it again.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1728227]After that experience I can't really see the point of going to CJs over Top Gun, but then when go to this area of Jakarta at all when you can go to North Jakarta. I certainly won't do it again.[/QUOTE]It depends on what you want. If you just want cheap sex with young girls as a pure business transaction for an hour in a sex slave brothel, then go to North Jakarta. If you enjoy chatting up the girls and having a little fun with them as human beings rather than just one drop cum buckets for an hour, then Top Gun is a good place to go. CJs and BATS have become more mercenary these days due to the great influx of sex tourists. Those girls can be almost as bad as the girls in North Jakarta now and will likely only want to do a short time. But there are still some gems in there you can find where you can hang out with them a few days and have some fun with them on your vacation. There have been weeks where I take a girl home from Top Gun, BATS or CJs and pay her the going rate the first night, but she then ends up staying with me the entire week not charging me a set rate again. We may hang out in Jakarta or go to Bali or Jogja, etc. A true GFE. But of course, I do give her what I feel is fair at the end of the week. After all, these girls do not have real jobs that pay the bills (regardless of what they tell you) and do need money to support their families. However, I normally give them less than the nightly rate they would get at cjs every night for a week. Try finding that in North Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1728227]Went to Jalan Faletehan / Blok M on a Friday night. I think this street is overrated. Basically you are talking about 2. 5 bars and both this time and when I was there a year or two ago there was only really interesting action in Top Gun. By 12:30 the other bars were dead or dying, only Top Gun still alive. The live band plays good old rock and various covers. The number and variety of girls is limited. Many are 27-45. Perhaps I shouldn't complain too much, because I ended up with a girl with a remarkable body, incredible ass and tits, ok service, 22 years old.

On a Saturday I went to CJs at the Mulia Hotel. 180 rupia to get in. Much more upscale than Top Gun, but not a better selection of girls. In fact it is much harder work, 1. 5 million rupiah and the average age is probably higher than in Top Gun. I ended up with a 27 year old with a floppy body and slightly off breath. She was a true semi pro with a day job, out on the town for fun with a female colleague. Lots of work dancing, buying them a couple of drinks and waiting for her to ripen. After that experience I can't really see the point of going to CJs over Top Gun, but then when go to this area of Jakarta at all when you can go to North Jakarta. I certainly won't do it again.[/QUOTE]There have been occasions when for one reason or another I wasn't particularly looking for female companionship (for example, already had too much fun during the afternoon), but still ended up at Top Gun enjoying the band. At least when I have been there (which actually isn't so often as I'm not a big Blok M fan) the band alone made it worth the trip.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1728204]I would add that for an Indian, going to the Philippines would be no solution for avoiding discrimination from other Asians. When I was in Dubai, I found a number of Filipinas working there who openly expressed a lack of interest in having an Indian clientele. If this is the way it is in Dubai, then it's reasonable to expect the same attitudes in the Philippines itself. In other words, you can take the Filipina out of the Philippines, but you can't take the Philippines out of the Filipina! No matter where she lives, and especially in her home country. And could this also be true for some Indian mongers too?

I mean, if an Indian (s) were to start going to the Philippines and exhibiting the same bad behaviors that Thai women (rightly or wrongly) have accused them of, then would this not result in the same kind of situation faced by Indian mongers in Thailand today? I posit that if you can take the Indian out of India, but not the India out of certain bad behaving Indians, then you would end up with the same problems for Indian mongers in the PI that they have in Thailand now. And, you're already starting the game playing from behind due to already existing prejudices of many Filipinas towards Indian clients. My fellow Indian mongers, the Philippines is not the answer![/QUOTE]Man, you write well. Very impressed with your writing style. Plus, you make perfect sense.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1728204]I posit that if you can take the Indian out of India, but not the India out of certain bad behaving Indians, then you would end up with the same problems for Indian mongers in the PI that they have in Thailand now. And, you're already starting the game playing from behind due to already existing prejudices of many Filipinas towards Indian clients. My fellow Indian mongers, the Philippines is not the answer![/QUOTE]Indonesia certainly is not the answer either. You don't just have existing discrimination of many Filipinas towards Indians, you of course have Thai, Indonesian, and every other Asian working girl with the same desire to avoid Indians if possible. And as you well know, it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with those "certain bad behaving" Indians being too high a percentage of the Indians they come in contact with.

I read a good discussion of this on the Thai forum, I'm not sure why it crept over here.

However, it's easy to say "the Philippines is not the answer". I'm curious what you think the answer is.