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[QUOTE=Horatio;2821293]How much do you pay for where you live? I see some have condos. I've seen some condos on YouTube for as cheap as 5,000 thai baht a month or $150 usd. If you've seen these in real life are they clean and a good cheap option?[/QUOTE]Yes it is just a normal place. Pool, laundry, gym. Keep in mind that the closer you are to the action the more you pay. But here in Pattaya there are plenty of virtually new condos at that price in Jomtien.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2821281]The comments about what other guys pay and criticism that they are suckers or idiots is just silly. Guys make money and they are entitled to spend that money anyway they want. It is nonsense that a few guys are affecting the market as a whole.[/QUOTE]This is exactly how I feel. The man who earns $500,000 per year is going to have less financial stress from a 7,000 baht LT go-go girl than the man who earns $50,000 per year has from an 800 baht ST freelancer. That rich man isn't going to want to negotiate price or deal with girls who don't have the looks and personality that he wants. There are relatively few of these high income men, so they won't materially change the Thailand P4P price structure. He will enjoy his money any way he wants.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2821281]Guys make money and they are entitled to spend that money anyway they want.[/QUOTE]Sure. But it is still weird to see a guy walk into McDonald's and pay $15 for a $5 Big Mac.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2821281]It is nonsense that a few guys are affecting the market as a whole.[/QUOTE]It may seem like nonsense until it actually happens. Take a look in the Costa Rica, Sosua, and Cartagena threads for exact examples of this nonsense as you claim it to be.
[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2821221]This time last year, I was picking up girls for two or three hours for around 200.000 to 300.000 COP without fuss. Overnight was only around 400.000 to 500.000 COP.
I have been here for two nights now, and now all the girls are quoting their fees in USD only. Some have the audacity to charge 100 USD for un rato. But I have noticed the standard one hour at 100 USD and then overnight is an additional 400.000 COP on top.
The market here in Cartagena has been completely ruined now compared to last year and previous few years. Street girls shouldn't be charging 900.000 COP plus for an overnight.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Evac305;2821327]I'm here now and experiencing the same exact thing. Girls that I've fucked for 300 k are quoting $150. I offered a girl 350 k and she told me it wasn't enough to feed her dog. I know Cartagena is viral but Jesus Christ a lot has changed in a year. Personally I won't be back for a while if ever. Unless you feel like waiting for 3/4 am every night to find a chica that hasn't gotten picked or it's going to be a challenge to find a girl for under 400 k. I hope I'm wrong but I won't be back to find out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2821264]But finding a massage a cheaper price based on location is far cry from the claim that you can fuck the [I]exact same girl[/I] for less money. I question that assumption. You can always fuck any girl for less money than another girl. But I would like to see you present and example of how you can fuck the exact same girl for less money.[/QUOTE]I am not saying that you can actively do this. But it happens passively more than a little bit. Everyone knows that gogos are the most expensive places to find a chick. There is nothing special about any chick in a gogo. If there was, then you could point these same chicks out when they are not in a gogo and going about their daily routine. They do not hide inside in the day like vampires and only go out at night when the gogo opens. Nobody keeps them caged up except when the gogos open.
Thing is that the same chicks go to different venues. If you get her at the gogo then you could be paying 5000. Many of those chicks go to discos when they get off work and you can get them for as little as 1000 to 1500. Many of those chicks go to the market in the daytime and you can talk to them and get them for 1000.
The best example is when I reported being at Kinnaree. You fuck a girl there for 1000 plus 300 for the room. The girl told me that she also works at Whats Up gogo and had to go there early in the night to get her hair and makeup done before the place opens.
So while I paid 1300 for the chick in her day job, these are the prices you are subject to for meeting her at her night job. Same girl, different place, different price.
Prices at What's Up & Imagine Club in Pattaya.
Bar Fine: 1500 baht (1000 baht after midnight).
Short time: 2-3 k baht.
Long time: 4-5 k baht.
[URL]https://thaigogobar.com/reviews/gogo-bars/whats-up-imagine-club-in-pattaya/[/URL]
Even on Thai Friendly yesterday I was talking to a girl that said she works in a gogo. Surely she is not going to expect the same 3000 from meeting her on Thai Friendly than she would if you walked into the gogo where she works.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2821452]This is exactly how I feel. The man who earns $500,000 per year is going to have less financial stress from a 7,000 baht LT go-go girl than the man who earns $50,000 per year has from an 800 baht ST freelancer. That rich man isn't going to want to negotiate price[/QUOTE]But some guys realize where they are and pay accordingly. I had a Thai Friendly chick come over the other night. I was trying to explain the stock market to her. She said I do not understand that shit. I am just a regular farmer.
99% of the chicks in Pattaya are just regular farmers, but most of the rich foreigners do not understand that. They are just happy to see a chick nekkit and to be getting some pussy, so out come the big numbers. Like I said before, they would not go to their local trailer park and open up their wallet wide. Likewise this person making $500,000 probably would not go to bumfuck Issan where these chicks are from and open up their wallets like that. Pattaya is just a place where all the trailer park chicks come to get money from rich foreigners.
I was at TreeTown the other night talking with a friend. He told me about a chick he had worked out a price of 1500 baht to come over for all night. He said right before coming she tried to change the price to 2000. He said no. We agreed on 1500. She said you can not find another 500 to give me? He said I can find another 10,000, but that does not mean I am giving it to you. It is not about financial stress. It is about knowing that you are in Thailand.
If I was in France or Japan I would not expect to be getting a chick for $40 all night, but I am in Thailand where I know what good money $40 is. I have a chick that works quality control at the Honda factory. Today was her day off, but she went in to work. For working 11 hours on her off day she gets 2000 baht. Knowing this do you really think fucking someone for 1 hour is worth 2000 baht around here on a local market? Do you think a man in her same position is going out giving his 2000 baht overtime pay to a farmer hooker for 1 hour? I seriously doubt it. This is Thailand.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821472]If I was in France or Japan I would not expect to be getting a chick for $40 all night, but I am in Thailand where I know what good money $40 is. I have a chick that works quality control at the Honda factory. Today was her day off, but she went in to work. For working 11 hours on her off day she gets 2000 baht. Knowing this do you really think fucking someone for 1 hour is worth 2000 baht around here on a local market? Do you think a man in her same position is going out giving his 2000 baht overtime pay to a farmer hooker for 1 hour? I seriously doubt it. This is Thailand.[/QUOTE]You can make this argument about almost any place in the entire world that has low wages. I remember someone once bragging they had just bought a waterproof phone (probably cost 1 K USD). I know there are phones that sell for 200 USD that will make phone calls, text, Whatsapp and take photos. And yet, people choose to purchase phones that can cost upwards of 1500+ USD. So, I still I am having trouble understanding why others are critical. Sharing of information is great. I want to know where I can get a iPhone 14 pro max 512 K for a fraction of the price. As an individual who lives in a sex tourist country also, I can tell you without a doubt that the amount visitors report paying is no where close to what I often wind up paying. And often I cannot even compare. How do you compare a non-pro that needs help for the month with rent and fucks you whenever you want without asking for any other money?
Today I made a deal to buy some land. I spoke with the owner directly. I explained what I wanted. He gave me his price. I agreed. No negotiation. I overpaid. Dearly. But the land is very important to me. More important than the money I have to pay for it that is sitting in the bank. It is a very simple concept. The value of a dollar is absolute. But the value the individual places on that dollar is variable. Most of the time everyone can pay less for something. And I appreciate the excellent post where you explained how do that when it come to pussy in Thailand. But no man should be critical of how another man spends his money. [B]Sharing information is very different from being critical.[/B].
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2821130]Just like massages. Everybody knows that getting a massage on Beach Road or Walking Street will be 300 baht. Go back to Soi Buakhao and they will be 200 baht. Go a little further to where I live off 3rd Road and you will pay 150 baht. Who would get bent out of shape over someone telling them where they could get the same massage for cheaper.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that good piece of information.
Yesterday I wanted a 2 h Thai massage and I took you by your Word.
I thought fuck that place on soi Buakhao that overcharged me at 200 baht like a dumb tourist that I am, I'd rather go a little further and found the exact same quality at 150 and save a lot of money (100 bahts gets me at least 2 meals in Pattaya) .
So I look all along 3rd road (from Pattaya klang to Pattaya Tai) and couldn't find any below 200.
Then I took it far down soi17 until some places I've never even been to although I used to live in that soi in the past and couldn't see any massage place below 200.
Eventually the heat made me change my plans as I got tired, so I thought fuck that 150 massage that I cannot find, I 'd better go back in the confort of my air-conditionned room and get a good free Coffee there instead (these are the best coffees).
Once there I realised you made me save 500 baht (at least 12 good meals in Pattaya), so thanks again, it was a very usefull piece of information that you shared.
[QUOTE=GerryGa;2821287]This is exactly what I was talking about. You personalized the conversation. I never mentioned a pacific fellow member. I was simply trying to point out that we all have a right to behave as we do and spend money as we wish and it really shouldn't concern anybody else. I freely admit that if there are members who have issues with this there are possible explanations. Why get so agitated Paolo. Chill bro.[/QUOTE]Pardon my misunderstanding Gerry.
I wrongly thought this topic originated from a specific disucussion.
I didn't realize you guys were philosophizing from scratch, probably the reason Admin moved the discussion to this thread as it had nothing to do with Pattaya.
One of the leading drivers for ladies going to work in Pattaya is their mothers. Its hard to imagine, but often the moms pressure their daughters to go work bar. And push them into customer relationships with old Farangs.
I saw a Facebook post from a mom today, showing her daughter and me in a photo from years ago. The mom wants the daughter to go back with me, despite the daughter having a Farang boyfriend and a Thai husband. Plus, I am banging her sister.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2822473]One of the leading drivers for ladies going to work in Pattaya is their mothers. Its hard to imagine, but often the moms pressure their daughters to go work bar. And push them into customer relationships with old Farangs.
I saw a Facebook post from a mom today, showing her daughter and me in a photo from years ago. The mom wants the daughter to go back with me, despite the daughter having a Farang boyfriend and a Thai husband. Plus, I am banging her sister.[/QUOTE]In my case it is a 40 something Thai mom who I banged on my last visit. She now wants me to bring my 30 year old son with me on my next visit so she can hook him up with her her 20 year old daughter. Even though her daughter is in a long term relationship with a Thai guy.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822334]Thanks for that good piece of information.
Yesterday I wanted a 2 h Thai massage and I took you by your Word.
I thought fuck that place on soi Buakhao that overcharged me at 200 baht like a dumb tourist that I am, I'd rather go a little further and found the exact same quality at 150 and save a lot of money (100 bahts gets me at least 2 meals in Pattaya) .
So I look all along 3rd road (from Pattaya klang to Pattaya Tai) and couldn't find any below 200.
Then I took it far down soi17 until some places I've never even been to although I used to live in that soi in the past and couldn't see any massage place below 200.
Eventually the heat made me change my plans as I got tired, so I thought fuck that 150 massage that I cannot find, I 'd better go back in the confort of my air-conditionned room and get a good free Coffee there instead (these are the best coffees).
Once there I realised you made me save 500 baht (at least 12 good meals in Pattaya), so thanks again, it was a very usefull piece of information that you shared.[/QUOTE]LOL. You are right. I went looking the other day because some friends are coming into town. It does appear that they are all minimum 200 baht now. So it looks like there are only 2 tiers of shops these days, 200 and 300.
I was at TreeTown eating with some buddies yesterday. I was shocked to see a buddy that lives on the dark side come up and go to the same stall that we had gone to. He never comes to this side of town any more and usually just stays in the house. Turns out he only came for the crispy pork and kale. That is both our favorite Thai meals and what I had just finished eating as well. Said he sent the lady a message before coming. I told him that I noticed this place is much more expensive than others though. It was 120 baht. I said it must be the TreeTown rent. There is a lady with a place at the base of my building that sells the same quantity for 50 baht (without the egg though).
Mr Enternational makes many good points, and one of them is not to be the fool in the trade nor spoil the market.
In Mandarin, there is saying: all girls are alike in the dark.
In the Rio posts, I offer expert long haul flyer tips, a necessary skill for world travelers and lovers of beautiful young women and life. And there is a connection between bar girls and planes.
No matter how much marketing bullshit the airlines spin and lie about, your taste buds are impaired at altitude and low humidity. Airline food is deliberately over salted or sugared to compensate. Their lavish claims and even chefs on board is marketing horseshit. They are trying to pretend there is differentiation in food when there is very little, all of which is to justify the cost of you paying about $US150-200 an hour (on long haul) for a rock hard "business" class seat and crappy polyester blanket in a noisy 85 db, about 20% humidity (very uncomfortable to skin and breathing) and annoying constant audio and light interruptions. Their bullshit is self-evident with their contradictory "lie-flat", "180 degrees" and "true 180 degrees" claims. Save the $ for the the portfolio to emit dividends over the next 30 years and has a much better NPV. The same goes for WG. By all means partake airline robust cabernet sauvignon with your own snacks. Their food is usually reheated garbage. Their job is to make you feel like a rockstar when in fact you are the sucker.
For Thai farmer Issan trailer girls, THB 1000 is a lot of cash. $US200 ( R1000) buys roughly 4-6, one hour deluxe passionate sex escapades and any number of delicious meals and / or other benefits in Rio. You can readily get a quick POP for as low at $US12 in Rio. In Thailand, 1,000 baht is US 28.83 whilst in Rio the same US 28.83 gets you 143.23 that is enough for a deluxe service, DFK, anal, the lot, and rarely a starfish. Or one hour in biz class is about THB 6,937.90. Comparison is where we learn.
If you want to be the fool, that is your prerogative. The Issan farmer girls will love you for being the (insert color) buffalo. Most will have Thai BF's and maybe a few long distance suckers. For them it is mostly 20-30 minutes of unskilled work, and they are used to seeing barnyard animals rutting, which is how they see you and me. Whilst it's true people place different values on different things, paying over the odds where a near substitute / generic is available ruins the market. Show consideration for other horny guys who may not have the same financial firepower. It's not fair any man is left with blue balls by those recklessly driving up POP inflation and making Thai women think their pussy - cloaca - is made of gold. They are designed by nature for that purpose. It s not skilled in any way.
Speaking of value for money, buy yourself sticky velcro pads for wool seat pad and also to attach a Samsung Tab 7/8 to the seat / TV screen in for your own movie selection, interactive language tutorial or listening + Bose noise cancelling headphones, wired or Bluetooth 5+. I have some Bose QC35 (and spare batteries). They have built in multiple mikes that work really well, even in an 80-85 dB cruise noise level on most jets. Bring your own quality food, skip the airline garbage and if you like a series of 50 ML re-usable bottles with your favorite alcoholic beverages, such as single malts and quality Cachaca for Caipirinha (BYO sugar and limes) if heading to / from Brazil or TH for that matter. And get a prescription for a decent benzodiazepine like Temazepam.
Wine is probably not worth it, your taste buds and nose is screwed up at altitude, so stick with a robust cabernet sauvignon from the airline.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2822473]One of the leading drivers for ladies going to work in Pattaya is their mothers. Its hard to imagine, but often the moms pressure their daughters to go work bar. And push them into customer relationships with old Farangs.[/QUOTE]This place is a mixed bag like everywhere else. If you do not think mothers in the USA approve of their daughters working in strip clubs and giving them the proceeds or their sons dealing drugs and giving them the proceeds then you are dead wrong.
Thai kids like any others have minds of their own and do not just follow what they are told. Chick that stayed with me last night has a 16 year old daughter. While she was here this morning the report card came to her Line. Maximum grade is 4. This girl had all 0. 5, 1. 0, and 1. 5. She said that she is uncontrollable. Uses drugs. Stays with the grandparents and aunt and they caught the boyfriend sleep in her room. Boyfriend is 21 but paid off the police. Mom does not send her money, but instead sends it to the grandmother. The daughter goes and takes it from the grandmother. Then she had the nerve to ask her mom for a motorbike. The kids are not always the innocent ones.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2822414]Pardon my misunderstanding Gerry.
I wrongly thought this topic originated from a specific disucussion.
I didn't realize you guys were philosophizing from scratch, probably the reason Admin moved the discussion to this thread as it had nothing to do with Pattaya.[/QUOTE]This is a never-ending topic of conversation Paolo. I've been to Pattaya a number of times but accept I have little or no real understanding of the expat scene there. It would appear accommodation, food, massages, time with the ladies are all considerably cheaper than Bangkok. You could then imagine those living there long term should be happy but alas not always. Some members bemoan those they feel over pay believing this is going to affect their quality of life by raising prices. On top of that they feel what they pay is more than enough to bang uneducated farm girls. Personally, I find both to be without merit and just a tad spurious and condescending. In any market the cost of services whatever they may be is complicated and dependent on numerous variables but eventually is guided by the principle of supply and demand. Secondly selling your body for sex is not in any way comparable to working in a shop or a factory and if somebody cannot see the difference there really is no point in trying to explain it to them. Take care Paolo.
[QUOTE=GerryGa;2822645]You could then imagine those living there long term should be happy but alas not always. Some members bemoan those they feel over pay believing this is going to affect their quality of life by raising prices. On top of that they feel what they pay is more than enough to bang uneducated farm girls. Personally, I find both to be without merit and just a tad spurious and condescending.[/QUOTE]I think there is a misunderstanding along the line. When you see these types of commentaries from someone that lives in or frequents a place, it is NEVER accompanied by you are messing it up for me (at least that I have ever seen). It is more trying to hip visitors to the game.
If I told you to go on the airline's website at 2 am and you will more than likely find your ticket price cheaper, would that be spurious and condescending? Would you insist you should be paying more because the plane you are flying on cost the airline millions of dollars so it can not be compared to a taxi ride because the taxi only cost thousands?
Expats have an ingrained way of doing things and it is usually not dependent on what a short time visitor does or does not do. For instance a buddy of mine gives a few chicks a salary of 3000 or 4000 baht monthly and they come stay over whenever he wants. You going to a gogo to buy 10 lady drinks or ring the bell is doing nothing to affect his routine. I have more free chicks around this place than I have time for. The last thing I am worried about is somebody coming in to town and their actions causing me not to be able to get paid chicks or my pockets to be emptier because of it.