American Politics

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In order for your mythical Third Party or Non Dem / Repub nirvana thingy to ever come to pass there must be more Americans registered to vote.
... the Dems' constant effort to help more Americans to vote and count every vote. Oh, and NOT to Crash the USA economy and NOT to wipe out millions upon millions of USA jobs.

Therefore, you of all people should be most keen on pro-actively voting for Dems and only Dems straight down every ballot in every election.

But if you continue to stand by and allow Repubs ... you are only choosing to be more of the problem than the solution.[/QUOTE]Give me the Dem Party of the 1940's, of the FDR era, then I would agree w you. BUt that is a dream of a bygone time. Now its neolibs vs neocons, as has been for decades. And the end result from the difference between the two is not worth voting for bcos it delays the opportunity for real change. You are the obstacle, not me. You are standing for a neo-lib corrupt party bcos you think they make life better for the USA, when it doesn't. Your Biden that kickstarts a huge world recession, that bombs innocent people for oil.

You keep saying that change cannot happen. At least not in your life time. Well, it won't happen if people like you get continue with their obstructionist attitudes.

I am a vegan, I know the differecne that baby steps can make. I know the world will not turn vegan overnight. BUt I certainly never thought "oh well, the world will never be vegan so what's the point? No. I committed to never being a part of the murderous animal abuse again. And now look what is ahppeneing. Some countries up to 10%. Nothing would change and no one would stand up for the voiceless if we followed your attitude.

And in politics. Well, voting is only one way to bring change. I think you only can imagine a 3rd party coming in to the elections and beginning to stand and compete on a slow gradual curve. Whereas there are ways and peeople that could bring about meteoric changes very rapidly. Get behind the movement instead of being scared by it.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2739026]So, no contracts. Typical. All sizzle, no steak.[/QUOTE]Thanks for admitting you never had any contracts with China. But it does not hide the fact that you lied in your first post.

[QUOTE=Canada;2738967]Just thank Trump. He is the one who put the pressure on the Chinese government. Yes our company along with every company you mentioned in your post benefited from the currency devaluation. Yes we could have raised our prices to our customers like many companies did but we were making a fair margin and wanted to keep our market share. You obviously did not benefit because you did not have a company doing this business. You only worked for the company. And yes I did sell out to a billion dollar company and semi retired because I do not want to work for a billion dollar company. So I started another company and 2 years later sold out again to another billion dollar company and semi retired again. But thanks to Biden driving oil prices and gas prices to record highs I started another business and will end up selling it to another billion dollar company. You in the other hand are still probably waiting on the next Biden handout. Big difference.[/QUOTE]Yes. You are correct. Trump put tariffs on China to protect USA manufacturing companies and China just devalued their currency. USA collected billions in tariffs and did give money to the farmers and other businesses that were hurt by unfair Chinese trade. And if you noticed there was virtually no inflation during Trump presidency. On the other hand Biden giveaways and failed policies have given USA record inflation hurting not only businesses but everyone in the USA.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2738999]Except it was not hindsight for JustTK, and it was not for me. TK said that he focused on his staying healthy and I rallied against lockdowns, travel bans, the vaccines when they did not work, social distancing, and masks in most cases. TK got blasted for "risking the lives of others" when he said he was not vaccinated, and I was called Elvira and Elvirus.

It is not 20-20 hindsight for him or me. You just have your head up in your butt.

And Fauci is the narcissitic lying megalomaniac or if you are a dumb Dem, that is otherwise known as a "scientific expert". This asshole funded creation of the virus who killed so many, and this fool directed most of the medical research in our country.

And remember when you are toasty this winter and Europeans are freezing, the reason why you have that is because we Republicans fought the climate change nuts so hard. Thank God we have natural gas, coal, and nuclear to keep us warm.

If you are in Europe this winter with a wood burning stove, a pile of firewood, and ample toilet paper, the hot ladies will be knocking on your door asking to spend the night.[/QUOTE]Several countries in Europe raised their electric prices to consumers by 25% last week because of renewable energy disasters. Europe has decided to restart a significant amount of their coal fired power plants to try to get back to reliable and cost effective electricity. Do you think the USA is smart enough to avoid this. I know California is not smart enough because we have the dumbest dems in the country. California is among the highest electricity costs in the USA and expected to raise prices like Europe as we do not have a reliable supply of electricity.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739221]Give me the Dem Party of the 1940's, of the FDR era, then I would agree w you. BUt that is a dream of a bygone time. Now its neolibs vs neocons, as has been for decades. And the end result from the difference between the two is not worth voting for bcos it delays the opportunity for real change. You are the obstacle, not me. You are standing for a neo-lib corrupt party bcos you think they make life better for the USA, when it doesn't. Your Biden that kickstarts a huge world recession, that bombs innocent people for oil.

You keep saying that change cannot happen. At least not in your life time. Well, it won't happen if people like you get continue with their obstructionist attitudes.

I am a vegan, I know the differecne that baby steps can make. I know the world will not turn vegan overnight. BUt I certainly never thought "oh well, the world will never be vegan so what's the point? No. I committed to never being a part of the murderous animal abuse again. And now look what is ahppeneing. Some countries up to 10%. Nothing would change and no one would stand up for the voiceless if we followed your attitude.

And in politics. Well, voting is only one way to bring change. I think you only can imagine a 3rd party coming in to the elections and beginning to stand and compete on a slow gradual curve. Whereas there are ways and peeople that could bring about meteoric changes very rapidly. Get behind the movement instead of being scared by it.[/QUOTE]You said "And in politics. Well, voting is only one way to bring change. I think you only can imagine a 3rd party coming in to the elections and beginning to stand and compete on a slow gradual curve. Whereas there are ways and people that could bring about meteoric changes very rapidly. Get behind the movement instead of being scared by it."

The Libertarian Party has existed in the US for over 50 years. They have never gotten more than a few percentage points of the vote. Ever.

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The Libertarian Party has existed in the US for over 50 years. They have never gotten more than a few percentage points of the vote. Ever.[/QUOTE]Right. So you have one example of a 3rd party failed attempt. What is that famous saying again "if at first you don't succeed, . Give up an accept the inevitable"?

Personally, I hope for revolution. Haven't had one of those for a while, have you.

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Unfortunately, the morons and the scientifically ignorant said "See, all those people lied".

Now, we have vaccines. The idiots say "the vaccines don't work".

Unfortunately, the US is so dumbed-down educationally (especially in red states) that only 30-some-odd percent of the US population is fully boosted.[/QUOTE]BUt the truth is they did lie. Fauci, Trump, Biden. The lot of them. They told us the virus would be under control, they told us masks work, they told us masks don't work. They told us to wear masks outside / inside /5 m /3 m / don't go outside. They told us the vaccines would prevent transmission, they told us the vax would prevent you from killing someone else, they told us they would reduce all cause mortality, they told us we were a menace to society, they told us ALL to get a vax, they told us it couldn't possibly be a lab leak, but then it could. The problem is they TOLD US. They didn't say that they were unsure. They TOLD US these things as facts.

What evidence they had to support these statements was sketchy at best, often fraudulent and wrong. They should be held accountable for their lies, for ruining people lives. Their actions and staements have destroyed public trust, and that is perfectly understandable. I don't see how the world can ever recover from this episode TBH.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739305]BUt the truth is they did lie. Fauci, Trump, Biden. [/QUOTE]Let me give you an example so we can agree on what a lie is, pvm.

Lets say you have a son. You tell your son your going to buy him a new bike if he passed his exams. He tells you the next day he passed (maybe he even thinks he did), and can he have his bike now?

Is that a lie? Of course it is. Surely we can agree on that?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2739238]Several countries in Europe raised their electric prices to consumers by 25% last week because of [b]renewable energy disasters[/b]. Europe has decided to restart a significant amount of their coal fired power plants to try to get back to reliable and cost effective electricity. [/QUOTE]Renewable energy, huh? That's why?

So those little things like Putin's war on Ukraine and his energy war on Europe have nothing to do with this?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739328]Let me give you an example so we can agree on what a lie is, pvm.

Lets say you have a son. You tell your son your going to buy him a new bike if he passed his exams. He tells you the next day he passed (maybe he even thinks he did), and can he have his bike now?

Is that a lie? Of course it is. Surely we can agree on that?[/QUOTE]JustTK you really need to work on your basic language skills. Who lied in your example? You didn't complete the premise. I can't say if the kid lied because he didn't pass the exams or the father lied because he didn't buy him a bike. I could add a hundred endings which would make neither a liar, or one or the other, or both. Sheesh.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739305]BUt the truth is they did lie. Fauci, Trump, Biden. The lot of them. They told us the virus would be under control, they told us masks work, they told us masks don't work. They told us to wear masks outside / inside /5 m /3 m / don't go outside. They told us the vaccines would prevent transmission, they told us the vax would prevent you from killing someone else, they told us they would reduce all cause mortality, they told us we were a menace to society, they told us ALL to get a vax, they told us it couldn't possibly be a lab leak, but then it could. The problem is they TOLD US. They didn't say that they were unsure. They TOLD US these things as facts.

What evidence they had to support these statements was sketchy at best, often fraudulent and wrong. They should be held accountable for their lies, for ruining people lives. Their actions and staements have destroyed public trust, and that is perfectly understandable. I don't see how the world can ever recover from this episode TBH.[/QUOTE]The sky didn't fall Chicken Little.

The people you want hung by their thumbs were constantly getting conflicting information, but had positions that required their best guesses regarding outcomes.

You plan to protest outside the house he's lived in the past 45 years with his wife, where they raised their three daughters?

It must burn your ass that last year Fauci made $480,654 working for the NIAID, making him the highest paid USA Government employee.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739221]Give me the Dem Party of the 1940's, of the FDR era, then I would agree w you. BUt that is a dream of a bygone time. Now its neolibs vs neocons, as has been for decades. And the end result from the difference between the two is not worth voting for bcos it delays the opportunity for real change. You are the obstacle, not me. You are standing for a neo-lib corrupt party bcos you think they make life better for the USA, when it doesn't. Your Biden that kickstarts a huge world recession, that bombs innocent people for oil.

You keep saying that change cannot happen. At least not in your life time. Well, it won't happen if people like you get continue with their obstructionist attitudes.

I am a vegan, I know the differecne that baby steps can make. I know the world will not turn vegan overnight. BUt I certainly never thought "oh well, the world will never be vegan so what's the point? No. I committed to never being a part of the murderous animal abuse again. And now look what is ahppeneing. Some countries up to 10%. Nothing would change and no one would stand up for the voiceless if we followed your attitude.

And in politics. Well, voting is only one way to bring change. I think you only can imagine a 3rd party coming in to the elections and beginning to stand and compete on a slow gradual curve. Whereas there are ways and peeople that could bring about meteoric changes very rapidly. Get behind the movement instead of being scared by it.[/QUOTE]Proving once again that Bothsiders / Neithersiders retreat to a noncommittal Bothsider / Neithersider position because they desperately want to contribute something to the discussion, preferably to come out winning on Both Sides, but don't really know enough about the topic to win anything legitimately.

Uh, big, big changes happen all the time as the result of our votes:

Repub Hoover had a gigantic Depression and lost millions of jobs. Dem FDR had a historic recovery and created millions of jobs.

Repub Eisenhower had 3 Recessions and produced one of the worst jobs creation results of any modern president. Dems JFK / LBJ had no Recession and produced one of the greatest jobs creation results ever.

Dem Jimmy Carter had a tiny pull back, it barely qualified as a Recession and it was purposely induced by the Fed in order to cool down an over-heated economy that was producing way more jobs than there were applicants to take them. That resulted in one of the best average annual jobs creation records of all time. Repub Reagan had one of the worst Recessions on record, the declining unemployment rate he inherited skyrocketed into double digits for almost a solid year and his average annual jobs creation was middling, significantly less than Carter's.

And, unlike Dem Carter, Repub Reagan tripled the national debt in order to under perform Carter's jobs cteation results.

Repub GHW Bush had a long Recession in 4 his years and one of the worst jobs creation records of any president. Dem Clinton had no Recession in his 8 years and produced one of the greatest jobs creation records in history.

Repub GW Bush had two Recessions, the second one so deep and horrible his own Treasury Secretary warned it might "destroy Capitalism as we know it". The unemployment rate skyrocketed and his jobs creation record was one of the worst in history. Dem Obama had no Recession in his 8 years and oversaw one of the longest and steadiest economic recoveries and jobs creation in history.

Repub Trump's "best" years fell below average among the 11 most recent presidents, wasted Trillions in deficit spending to under perform. Then he blathered, bumbled, left the country bare-ass naked against preventing or responding to it and eventually lied the world into a historic Pandemic that mass murdered millions, destroyed worldwide economies and supply-chains, skyrocketed the unemployment rate, plunged us into Recession and produced the worst jobs creation record since Repub Herbert Hoover.

Dem Joe Biden in just 19 months fully recovered all of the millions upon millions of jobs lost under Repub Trump and drove the unemployment rate back down to "Full Employment" level in record time.

Dem Biden has also so far managed to pay down the massive record high debt Repub Trump racked up and has not yet overseen a meaningful or official Recession despite the fact that the Fed is once again trying to induce a controlled one for the same reason they did so under Carter; Biden's strong economy is producing way too many jobs.

So, you see, there has been huge and dramatic change occurring in the country all throughout your lifetime. And, yessiree, it most definitely changed for the worst and for the best based on how the votes went virtually each and every time.

My Dem votes since 1972 resulted in all of those historically positive changes for the country while your Repub / Bothsider / Neithersider votes resulted in all the historically negative changes made to the country since however long you've been voting that way.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2739121]Marvelous satire from Dana Millbank:

"I'm so sorry you've convinced millions of people to believe the egregious lie that the 2020 election was stolen. I'm sorry you are making heroes of the criminals who attacked our seat of government. I'm sorry you're currently fomenting violence against the FBI and the IRS. I'm sorry you're passing laws giving yourselves more power to overthrow the 2024 election results if you lose, and I'm sorry you're nominating candidates committed to doing so. I'm sorry you don't like it when the Justice Department enforces the law and protects national security. I'm sorry you've lionized Hungarian strongman Viktor Orban, and I'm sorry you say that the Democratic Party, not Vladimir Putin's Russia, is the real enemy. I regret that you've taken away women's rights. I regret that you're banning books and censoring history lessons. I regret that you are shunning science, expertise and the truth. Above all, I'm truly sorry that, because of such things, Biden called you semi-fascists. There's really nothing 'semi' about it."

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/02/kevin-mccarthy-joe-biden-semi-fascism-trump/[/URL][/QUOTE]That article had numerous good sections:

I regret that the heads and bodies of police officers got in the way of your truncheons and flagpoles while you were engaging in Legitimate Political Discourse at the Capitol. I hope that you didn't hurt your fingers while gouging their eyes, and that their blood didn't stain your tactical assault gear; if it did, please send me the dry-cleaning bill! I am so sorry that, on your Normal Tourist Visit, you didn't get to use your noose or all the guns stockpiled at the Comfort Inn in Alexandria. Please forgive me for previously quibbling with your plan to "hang Mike Pence" and your use of the Confederate flag in the halls of Congress. I apologize that you had to break windows and doors, climb scaffolding and rappel into the Senate chamber. My bad! Next time you want to overthrow an American election, just knock.

[QUOTE=Canada;2739233]Thanks for admitting you never had any contracts with China. But it does not hide the fact that you lied in your first post.[/QUOTE]Did you provide copies of actual contracts to back up your BS? Nope.

Case closed. All sizzle. No steak.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2739337]Renewable energy, huh? That's why?

So those little things like Putin's war on Ukraine and his energy war on Europe have nothing to do with this?[/QUOTE]Are you saying Putin shut off the electricity too? Putin is oil and gas. He does not raise prices on electricity in Europe.