American Politics

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739093]Be very wary of anything Napolitano and Barr contribute to this. As long time Repubs and / or FUX News darlings, they are by definition America-hating liars until proven otherwise.

Sure, they might be speaking the truth here and there. Same as Bolton.

However, it is far more likely their game is to get rid of Repub King Midas In Reverse Trump ASAP, preferably in prison and as far away from their beloved Repub Party as possible. And, for the love of god, for him to STFU about endorcing Repub candidates in the primaries only for them to go down in flames in the real election (see my previous post about his sterling election record since Repub Herbert Hoover).

They see where the polls are headed going into the midterm. They are pulling all the stops to dismiss and silence Trump before he manages to flip that ultra traditional advantage for Repubs this time around into another Trump-induced historic win for the Dems.[/QUOTE]Remember that this post was meant to pull the chain of the Moron Brigade who defend Donnie the Dumbass to the max.

What I really wanted was to get a reaction from them because they are sooooooo stupid. Barr is a RINO! Napolitano is a RINO! In fact, every RethugliKKKan who criticizes Donnie the Dumbass is a RINO!

Hey, I think having a Republican party which actually tries to govern is a good thing.

But, the current Republican party of whiny crybabies is ridiculous. They play the victim really well, though. Oooooohhhhh, the FBI raided Donnie the Dumbass' house! Oooooohhhhh Biden called all of us racists and fascists out! We're upset that he called us semi-racists. Semi indeed! We are full on racists and fascists (but we're too dumb to know what a Fascist really is). Ooooooohhhhhhh, we get upset that people call us RethugliKKKans! We've never worn a KKK hood but we hate (not in order): Mexicans, Muslims, non-white people, non-Christian people, LGBTQ+ people, anybody of color, actually anybody who isn't white and straight. We're "constitutional originalists", except when it comes to stuff we don't agree with. (Like having to own a house to vote).

And the best? Ooooooohhhhh, we'll vote against our best interests because our sole mission in life is to "own the libs". In fact, if "owning the libs" means cutting off our welfare payments and stopping our Social Security payments, we're all for it. We're so dumb, we'll never complain.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2739359]JustTK you really need to work on your basic language skills. Who lied in your example? You didn't complete the premise. I can't say if the kid lied because he didn't pass the exams or the father lied because he didn't buy him a bike. I could add a hundred endings which would make neither a liar, or one or the other, or both. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]JustTK is an idiot. Just not as dumb as the Moron Brigade.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739305]BUt the truth is they did lie. Fauci, Trump, Biden. The lot of them. They told us the virus would be under control, they told us masks work, they told us masks don't work. They told us to wear masks outside / inside /5 m /3 m / don't go outside. They told us the vaccines would prevent transmission, they told us the vax would prevent you from killing someone else, they told us they would reduce all cause mortality, they told us we were a menace to society, they told us ALL to get a vax, they told us it couldn't possibly be a lab leak, but then it could. The problem is they TOLD US. They didn't say that they were unsure. They TOLD US these things as facts.

What evidence they had to support these statements was sketchy at best, often fraudulent and wrong. They should be held accountable for their lies, for ruining people lives. Their actions and staements have destroyed public trust, and that is perfectly understandable. I don't see how the world can ever recover from this episode TBH.[/QUOTE]Actually, the only people who believe that the actions of Fauci, etc have destroyed the public trust are morons. Sure, people who don't understand science don't believe anything. People who don't understand viruses and vaccines don't believe anything. People who don't know diddly-shit about anything but their long-neck Bud and their single-wide don't believe anything.

And you know who most of those denier's are? RethugliKKKans. You might not be a RethugliKKKan but you do believe all of the RethugliKKKan BS. Yep, the vax will alter your DNA, the vax contains microchips, the vax this, the vax that, the vax some other damn thing.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2739360]The people you want hung by their thumbs were constantly getting conflicting information, but had positions that required their best guesses regarding outcomes.

You plan to protest outside the house he's lived in the past 45 years with his wife, where they raised their three daughters?
[/QUOTE]If they were "constantly getting conflicting information" why did they make these statements as facts? That merely proves my point.

If I were to protest outside his house then I would have to go to the USA, smthg I would never do, and I don't even think I am currently allowed to do. Does one still need a vax to enter??

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739384]Repub Hoover had a gigantic Depression and lost millions of jobs. Dem FDR had a historic recovery and created millions of jobs. Repub Eisenhower had 3 Recessions and produced one of the worst jobs creation results of any modern president. Dems JFK / LBJ had no Recession and produced one of the greatest jobs creation results ever.
... Repub Trump's "best" years fell below average ...

My Dem votes since 1972 resulted in all of those historically positive changes for the country while your Repub / Bothsider / Neithersider votes resulted in all the historically negative changes made to the country since however long you've been voting that way.[/QUOTE]I presume you have this passage saved somewhere on your computer so you can copy and paste it, which you do every week. All you talk about is the economy. We have agreed before that the Dems have a better record than the Reps. But TBH, that is one of the least interesting things to me. Its super boring. Take care of relations, and a country with such geographical and geological advantages as the USA should be able manage itself. I am concerned about the role the USA plays on the world stage. It is the world super-villain. Countless international crimes, every year, Dems and Reps alike. But typically, that doesn't seem to bother you, bcos your the beneficiary, not the victim.

Also, just in case you haven't noticed, I am not a USAn. I have never voted in the USA. All I can do is stand at the side and despair at what passes for 'democracy' in the world's ailing super power.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738705]I am an anarchist, not a communist. I beleive in transnationalism. ... Imagine, if you will, the USA as a template for the world. Anyone can go and live or work anywhere they like. Freedom of movement, no borders. Now imagine that you remove the federal government and you decentralise the decision making back to county level, or even lower. That's pretty much what I want for the entire world.[/QUOTE]

[u]Let me ask you a question, again:[/u]

[b]Q. [/b]If you absolutely had to choose between Dems or Repubs, with [i][b]"gun/pistol to your head"[/b] (figuratively speaking of course)[/i], which of the two (2) parties do you honestly think will get you closer to your "promised land" or utopian unfettered borderless world?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2739238]Several countries in Europe raised their electric prices to consumers by 25% last week because of renewable energy disasters. Europe has decided to restart a significant amount of their coal fired power plants to try to get back to reliable and cost effective electricity. Do you think the USA is smart enough to avoid this. I know California is not smart enough because we have the dumbest dems in the country. California is among the highest electricity costs in the USA and expected to raise prices like Europe as we do not have a reliable supply of electricity.[/QUOTE]The price of gas has gone up 500%, how much has the price of sunlight and wind gone up? The reason electricity prices have not gone up nearly as much as fossil fuel prices is that it is not cost any more to generate electricity from renewables which has helped keep prices lower. No wonder Europe is doubling down on building even more renewable power.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739428]I presume you have this passage saved somewhere on your computer so you can copy and paste it, which you do every week. All you talk about is the economy. We have agreed before that the Dems have a better record than the Reps. But TBH, that is one of the least interesting things to me. Its super boring. Take care of relations, and a country with such geographical and geological advantages as the USA should be able manage itself. I am concerned about the role the USA plays on the world stage. It is the world super-villain. Countless international crimes, every year, Dems and Reps alike. But typically, that doesn't seem to bother you, bcos your the beneficiary, not the victim.

Also, just in case you haven't noticed, I am not a USAn. I have never voted in the USA. All I can do is stand at the side and despair at what passes for 'democracy' in the world's ailing super power.[/QUOTE]Oh, yes, I had no idea that "mess" you say we are in from (Repub) time to (Repub) time is only about how we feel and nothing about the "boring" topic of massive job losses, crippling unemployment, the huge income gap between the top 5% and everyone else, etc. Not that those results would have anything to do with how people "feel", right?

[QUOTE]Take care of relations, and a country with such geographical and geological advantages as the USA should be able manage itself.[/QUOTE]Then I guess the Repubs' results coming from that angle must be just as bad and demonstrably inferior to that of the Dems as the more direct routes such as, you know, tax policy, healthcare legislation, infrastructure legislation, effective trade deals, responsible budget balancing, funding education, funding law enforcement needs, establishing and funding effective national security protections, etc.

You're right, I have probably underestimated how much damage Repubs have done to America due to how they make us all "feel" rather than primarily from the stuff you can actually quantify, cite and verify in the data and historical results.

Of course, arguing on that basis is pathetically weak compared to basing it on tangible, provable factors. But if it makes you "feel" better, be my guest.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2739412]Are you saying Putin shut off the electricity too? Putin is oil and gas. He does not raise prices on electricity in Europe.[/QUOTE]And exactly where in his post did the OP mention that Putin shut off electricity? Or even mention electricity at all?

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/09/03/brooks-biden-should-have-called-out-his-own-party-for-giving-millions-to-maga-wing-if-its-such-a-threat/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739508]Oh, yes, I had no idea that "mess" you say we are in from (Repub) time to (Repub) time is only about how we feel and nothing about the "boring" topic of massive job losses, crippling unemployment, the huge income gap between the top 5% and everyone else, etc. Not that those results would have anything to do with how people "feel", right?

Then I guess the Repubs' results coming from that angle must be just as bad and demonstrably inferior to that of the Dems as the more direct routes such as, you know, tax policy, healthcare legislation, infrastructure legislation, effective trade deals, responsible budget balancing, funding education, funding law enforcement needs, establishing and funding effective national security protections, etc.

You're right, I have probably underestimated how much damage Repubs have done to America due to how they make us all "feel" rather than primarily from the stuff you can actually quantify, cite and verify in the data and historical results.

Of course, arguing on that basis is pathetically weak compared to basing it on tangible, provable factors. But if it makes you "feel" better, be my guest.[/QUOTE]JustTK's game in ISG is far left Chomsky-esque anti-Americanism, IE. The US is hiding in every Bush and is responsible for all the evil in the world. You of course have your Repub / Dem dichotomy going in economic analysis so you are essentially talking past one another. Your only meeting point is that you both want to argue every day including weekends and holidays. Wink.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2739483]The price of gas has gone up 500%, how much has the price of sunlight and wind gone up? The reason electricity prices have not gone up nearly as much as fossil fuel prices is that it is not cost any more to generate electricity from renewables which has helped keep prices lower. No wonder Europe is doubling down on building even more renewable power.[/QUOTE]You are correct on one thing. Under Biden energy policy has has gone up 500%. Oil has gone up 100%. Great job Brandon.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739508]Oh, yes, I had no idea that "mess" you say we are in from (Repub) time to (Repub) time is only about how we feel and nothing about the "boring" topic of massive job losses, crippling unemployment, the huge income gap between the top 5% and everyone else, etc.

Then I guess the Repubs' results coming from that angle must be just as bad and demonstrably inferior to that of the Dems as the more direct routes such as, you know, tax policy, healthcare legislation, infrastructure legislation, effective trade deals, responsible budget balancing, funding education, funding law enforcement needs, establishing and funding effective national security protections, etc.
[/QUOTE]You are drawing conclusions that are not supported by the data. The fact that the Dems have a better historic record than the Reps on the economy does not mean:

- that the modern Dems have good econimic polcies.

- that the modern Dems have a better record on any single policy (rather, they have a better record in aggregate).

- that they Dems do a good job (rather, that they have done a better job than the Reps).

- that the Dems have a good track record on non-economy policy, such as international policy.

2 examples to support my point -.

1. USA support of regime change / military actions.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations[/URL]

You can clearly see that it really doesn't matter who is in charge. The polciy is always the same. Lets make war to make us rich.

2. Income inequality.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States[/URL]

"The USA Has the highest level of income inequality among its (post-) industrialized peers".

If the Dems were doing such a great job to help the people, then why do we see such an appalling disparity in income?

I could mention lack of public health care, lack of free education. If the Dems were doing a great job, where is it?

Obviously you will just blame the Reps, bcos that's all you do. I see it in every post you make. Its like the Dems are incapable of reversing out anything that the Reps did.

If the Dems were doing such a great job to help the vast majority of the people, they wouldn't be voted out every 8 years by a worse party. We would see staggeringly better economic indicators. Instead we see a slow down sprial of a falling giant, as both parties try to squeeze what's left out of the dying beast.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2739447][u]Let me ask you a question, again:[/u]

[b]Q. [/b]If you absolutely had to choose between Dems or Repubs, with [i][b]"gun/pistol to your head"[/b] (figuratively speaking of course)[/i], which of the two (2) parties do you honestly think will get you closer to your "promised land" or utopian unfettered borderless world?[/QUOTE]That question. Is like if I were to ask you - "which would you prefer me to do, rape your daughter or rape your wife?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739424]If they were "constantly getting conflicting information" why did they make these statements as facts? That merely proves my point.

If I were to protest outside his house then I would have to go to the USA, smthg I would never do, and I don't even think I am currently allowed to do. Does one still need a vax to enter??[/QUOTE]You would need all your shots.

You've just proven to the board that there is no valid point for this last stand.

I (we all) saw scores of public statements made by the respected Dr, Fauci.

Like many scientists, he was constantly including in his statements weasel clauses like "to the best of our knowledge" or "As we're finding out with study" and always warning that recommendations could change.

This position that professionals getting better & changing best practices is proof that they were professionally deficient earlier is a stupid position. It garners laughs every time you write it.